From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #674 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Thursday, April 11 2002 Volume 01 : Number 674 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:26:40 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Bye Bye Oprah? Todd Petersen wrote: > The LDS publishing market does the same darn thing: they only buy what > they think they can sell based on past performance and assesment. > There's no risk-taking at all--maybe that's because of the church's > position against gambling, I don't know. Or maybe it's because the revenue isn't there to take risks. A bestseller in the national market will generate a whole lot more revenue available for risk-taking than an LDS bestseller. > Finally (and it hurts me to say this) I think that writers should > forget about money. If it comes, fine. If not, fine. I think writers should write for whatever motive they have. If you have a cause that makes you want to forget about money, gret--I admire you. But I don't like generic "Writers should" directives about why writers write. That's a personal choice. >I know a lot of writers and I > don't know any who can hack it on their writing alone. I know a few writers who make it full time on their writing: Orson Scott Card, Chris Heimerdinger, Ken Rand. Probably Gerald Lund could have if he wanted to. > We could have more LDS books out there if LDS > presses offered royalty-only contracts without an advance. I thought they mostly did that already, at least with newer authors. > I think publishers would go for it, but I think > writers wouldn't because there is some ego cash switch that people want > thrown. Or maybe they believe "the laborer is worthy of their hire." I really don't like intimations that wanting compensation for one's work is evil. > I know a lot of writers who grouse about publishers, yet they > are unwilling to do without an advance. This is curious and it > reinforces the business end of things. I'd call it normal. > And I hope writers will write books and > quit trying to get rich. This comes across to me as an unwarranted slur. Everyone knows that, except for the top sellers, nobody makes enough money on writing to make the pay worth it on an hourly basis. Writers would just like some compensation for the hundreds of hours they put into the project so they can pay a few bills. That hardly qualifies them as part of the "evil rich." > Money has always curdled the arts in one way or another. No art even occurs without money, so your statement makes no sense. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 11:52:37 -0600 From: "Morgan Adair" Subject: Re: [AML] Sanitized LDS History? >>> cornerstonepublishing@attbi.com 04/08/02 11:11AM >>> > >I've noticed some references on this list to LDS histories as "sanitized >versions," and wonder how the list feels about this issue. Are the more >official LDS histories sanitized, or do they simply omit rumors that have no >basis in truth? In the 19th Century, history was typically written to support a thesis. The Documentary and Comprehensive histories that you mentioned started with the thesis that the Church is only true church, and presented a view of history that supported the thesis. Facts that obscured or didn't support the thesis were not included in the history. In the 20th Century, up to about the 1970s, the field of history became more scientific. Historians looked for naturalistic interpretations of historical events. Leonard Arrington, the first academic to serve as Church Historian, for example, wrote of economic influences on observance and interpretation of the Word of Wisdom in church history. A historian might write about how Joseph Smith *said* he spoke to God face to face, or present evidence of whether or not he *believed* that he spoke to God (as opposed to being untruthful or delusional), but the question of whether he actually *did* speak to God face to face became a theological question outside the realm of history. History no longer served a thesis, but was focused on trying to understand "what really happened" and why. A significant trend in this approach to history was revisionism, the rewriting of history to fill in details omitted in the thesis-driven histories of previous eras. Among LDS historians, D. Michael Quinn is probably the most prominent revisionist. Concerning Joseph Smith's practice of polygamy, about 100 years ago there was a controversy between the LDS and RLDS churches over whether the practice of polygamy originated with Joseph Smith or later. The LDS church obtained records and affidavits from survivors who had first or secondhand knowledge of events in the Nauvoo era. Some of the affidavits are questionable, but there is now a strong consensus among LDS, RLDS, and non-LDS historians that Joseph taught and practiced polygamy secretly. There is a small contingent from a very conservative branch of the RLDS tradition who still deny Joseph's practice of polygamy, but they're pretty much regarded as kooks. Emma was aware of the practice, but denied it after Joseph's death, perhaps out of personal denial or perhaps to shield her children. One of the most significant documents to come out of this period was Benjamin F. Johnson's letter to First Presidency secretary George F. Gibbs. Johnson said that Joseph came to him to ask permission to marry Johnson's sister, Almira. Johnson pointedly said that Joseph and Almira occupied "the same room and bed" in the Mansion House after the wedding, implying as explicitly as decorum would permit that the marriage was consummated, and noting that Joseph shared the same room with Emily Partridge a month earlier. Although Johnson's letter was written long after the events he described, many of the events were corroborated by contemporary accounts and affidavits from others. Regarding Compton's _In Sacred Loneliness_, only dispute I've heard concerning the book was in his interpretation of the evidence supporting a possible marriage to Fanny Alger. The evidence is strong (a contemporary statement from Oliver Cowdery and a later one from Benjamin F. Johnson) that Joseph felt affection for Fanny, but there is no evidence of a marriage. Compton is careful to note that his belief that there may have been a marriage is questionable. Some people also have trouble with the idea that some of Joseph's plural wives were already married to other men, but difficult as it may be to accept, the evidence supporting the existence of those marriages is quite convincing (more "things you can't say in Sunday School"). MBA (Morgan B. Adair) - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:12:25 GMT From: cgileadi@emerytelcom.net Subject: Re: [AML] Sanitized LDS History? A bottom-line question for this discussion, as we look at things in our history that we see as painful or misdirected or even wrong, is this: Can we remain believers in the face of mistakes, misapprehensions, even sins of our forbears? Sanitizing history seems to say that we can't. Cathy Wilson - --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:02:23 -0400 From: Tony Markham Subject: Re: [AML] Lund As of today, I haven't read any of Lund's books, but now that he's a GA, I suppose I can incorporate them into my seminary classes. I recall other's experience on the list with people who had thought Lund was writing history, not fiction, and were looking for the genealogical records of his characters. I can only imagine that his texts will soon be held as canonical (more than already). Part of me wants to rejoice that a determined novelist has been raised to GA status, but most of me just questions whether or not this is another example of institutional art substituting/masquarading for the real thing on an official level. Hmmm, I wonder if, after I read TW&TG, if I don't like it and critique it, will I be guilty of back-biting? I guess I'd better like it! What's next...Bishop LaBute? Tony Markham - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:14:11 -0600 From: margaret young Subject: Re: [AML] Sanitized LDS History? I think Compton's work (_In Sacred Loneliness_) is actually very well-researched and documented. Newell and Avery's_Emma Smith: Mormon Enigma_ was critically acclaimed by LDS historians, but is very controversial today. (Darius Gray and I were discouraged from using it in our bibliography, though we had extracted some information from it. Eric Eliason [if he's still on the list] would have some additional insights.) Maybe the most persuasive evidence is in affidavits written by some of Joseph Smith's plural wives. Eliza Partridge [Smith] Lyman's autobiography (the holographic one) includes her affidavit. Zina Huntington [Smith] Young also refers quite candidly to her plural marriage with Joseph Smith and condemns his murderers for not responding to his masonic call for help in Carthage Jail. I find BYU's religion professors distinguish between "spiritual wifery" and "plural marriage." Joseph Smith's references to the practise of "spiritual wifery" in the official History of the Church are pretty ubiquitous. Whether he was guarding a secret or referring to a practise distinct from "plural marriage" is up for interpretation, I suppose. [Margaret Young] - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:24:50 -0600 From: Barbara Hume Subject: Re: [AML] Sanitized LDS History? At 11:52 AM 4/10/02, you wrote: >Some people also have >trouble with the idea that some of Joseph's plural wives were already >married to other men, but difficult as it may be to accept, the evidence >supporting the existence of those marriages is quite convincing (more >"things you can't say in Sunday School"). Actually, I like that idea. If you're going to have polygamy, have it both ways. I would prefer that the whole thing had never come up, however. I can see it as a temporary expedient, but not as a religious principle. I may come to a different conclusion at some other time. It's one of those things I'm afraid to pray about because I might not like the answer! I've seen some interesting fiction using polygamy -- plural wives, rather - -- as a backdrop. In one novel, the viewpoint character was the woman that the man was really in love with, but for some reason he had to marry her sister first, and her sister always made much of her status as the "first wife." I think that sort of thing is what many women find distasteful --not to mention the reality of sexual jealousy. I hate it when non-members always want to talk about polygamy -- perhaps that's my own version of sanitizing our history. barbara hume - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:46:12 -0400 From: "Tracie Laulusa" Subject: Re: [AML] Good Young Adult Lit In our library Deerskin is an adult book--where I think it belongs. I have one teen-daughter who has read it. It was a very heavy read for her. I wouldn't recommend it in general to YA readers. This was way beyond YA edgy. Tracie - ----- Original Message ----- Deerskin by McKinley *is* an excellent, but tough read. It is not graphic as to the one incest scene, but the emotional suffering of the protagonist is quite powerful and realistic. It's an incredible book but probably not something to recommend to all the sisters. - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 12:51:10 -0700 From: "Susan Malmrose" Subject: Re: [AML] Sanitized LDS History? > Why does LDS history have to be clean. I was raised Catholic, so I don't > care if people were perfect, because in that part of my life and faith, > people weren't, but God was still God even if people were horrible. I've often wondered how things would be different if we had the same type of detailed knowledge about ancient apostles and prophets that we do about this dispensation's. Susan - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:40:00 EDT From: HOJONEWS@aol.com Subject: [AML] A New Member [MOD: And a good welcome to you...] Dear AMLers: One of your number introduced herself and your list to me through a letter she wrote to me regarding my novel. Because of her recommendation, I decided to see what it was all about. I waited a bit (lurked?) to see if I thought that this was a place where I could contribute and learn; it certainly feels that way. I see an eagerness here to communicate and share ideas. I've already learned much (blogging, as an example) and hope that you will allow me to continue to do so. I am a Mormon culturally, not religious, rather spiritual (though I think the word has certain pretentious connotations) and was born and raised in Utah. I have lived in California most of my adult life but something about Utah, its geology, its people, keeps drawing me back. Carolyn Howard-Johnson, Author of This is the Place, an award-winning story about a young journalist who writes her way through repression into redemption For a FREE First Chapter Click Here or send to: carolynhowardjohnson@sendfree.com FREE Cooking by the Book at http://www.tlt.com/authors/carolynhowardjohnson.htm - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:15:10 -0600 From: "Todd Petersen" Subject: Re: [AML] Advances (was: Bye Bye Oprah?) About advances in the LDS world: I've never been happier to be wrong. Money still ruins the integrity of art. And by this, I don't mean money as such, but something more like big money--corporate influence. W.W. Norton is the only major publisher not owned by a conglomerate. It is the last independant. Government money ruins art. Church money ruins art. What money doesn't? The money I put into something, because the only person I have to answer to is my wife, and she likes what I do. Once someone else's money is involved, they want to start telling you what to do and artists have to bend to that. - -- Todd - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:22:12 -0600 From: "mjames_laurel" Subject: Re: [AML] Advances > Todd Petersen wrote: > > > >But what's wrong with a contract that says no cash for anyone until the > >book makes money? I think publishers would go for it, but I think > >writers wouldn't because there is some ego cash switch that people want > >thrown. I know a lot of writers who grouse about publishers, yet they > >are unwilling to do without an advance. This is curious and it > >reinforces the business end of things. As far as I know, all the big LDS publishers do NOT pay advances, and some withhold royalties until sales cover certain expenses (some even withhold royalties earned from an author's second book until expenses are covered for his/her previous book.) I think this is the main reason why so many quality authors do not bother writing for the LDS market - why should they, when they can get decent advances from NY publishers without the hassles (and if you've seen some of the contracts from LDS publishers, you know what I mean.) The result (in my opinion anyway) is a dearth of quality literature in the LDS market. It is simply a fact of life that people need to eat, wear clothes, pay medical bills. It's also a fact writing is hard work, and involves a lot of pain, and there are no guarantees. We may not like the fact money is a driving force in our world, but we can't ignore it. It's not an ego thing. It's reality. When LDS publishers begin to recognize this, perhaps more quality LDS literature will start appearing on the shelves. > And I hope writers will write books and > quit trying to get rich. Anyone who thinks you can get rich as a writer is in for a big disappointment. Unless your name is Tom Clancy or Danielle Steele, you're going to need a "real" job and/or a spouse working full time to support you. The authors I know write because they can't NOT write. When (and if) they finally have a finished product ready, it not only makes business sense to seek out a publisher that pays, it also makes career sense. What is the point of investing all the time, pain, and work if you cannot keep your head above water? Besides, most of us who write for national markets feel we have a better chance of reaching more people and making more of an impact if we reach out beyond our LDS circle. The money only helps to keep us going - and there is nothing wrong with that. Laurel S. Brady - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:28:37 -0600 From: "Todd Petersen" Subject: Re: [AML] Bye Bye Oprah? D. Michael said: Or maybe they believe "the laborer is worthy of their hire." I really don't like intimations that wanting compensation for one's work is evil. +++++++++++++++++++++++ It seems like the implication here is that the only valuble compensation is money, unless I've read that wrong. Surely there is something more than cash to compensate a writer for their labor--perhaps respect or renown. Maybe even the knowledge that God is happy with you. - -- Todd Robert Petersen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:46:02 -0700 From: Jeff Needle Subject: Re: [AML] Sanitized LDS History? My take on this -- sanitized history is essential when so much focus is put on human leadership. The "Follow the Brethren" theme is incompatible with pictures of men and women who we really don't want much to follow! - ---------------- Jeff Needle jeff.needle@general.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:15:33 -0600 From: Terry L Jeffress Subject: Re: [AML] Advances On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 03:24:39PM -0600, BJ Rowley wrote: > Did I miss something? As far as I know, Covenant has never given an > advance to an author ... especially a first-time author. Never say never. While I worked at Covenant (1993), several authors got advances on their work. I presume that those same authors still get advances on their contemporary works. - -- Terry L Jeffress | In neither taste nor precision is any man's South Jordan, UT | practice a court of last appeal, for writers all, | both great and small, are habitual sinners | against the light. -- Ambrose Bierce - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 01:21:02 -0500 From: "kumiko" Subject: [AML] Box Office Report April 5 Feature Films by LDS/Mormon Filmmakers and Actors Weekend of April 5, 2002 Weekend Box Office Report (U.S. Domestic Box Office Gross) Report compiled by: Thomas C. Baggaley, LDSFilm.com [If table below doesn't line up properly, try looking at them with a mono-spaced font, such as courier - Ed.] Natl Film Title Weekend Gross Rank LDS/Mormon Filmmaker/Actor Total Gross Theaters Days - --- ----------------------------- ----------- ----- ---- 36 Ocean's Eleven $128,628 108 122 LDS characters: Malloy twins 183,128,804 55 The Other Side of Heaven 30,164 16 115 Mitch Davis (writer/director) 2,001,001 John H. Groberg (author/character) Gerald Molen, John Garbett (producers) 58 The Singles Ward 22,067 12 66 Kurt Hale (writer/director) 455,811 John E. Moyer (writer) Dave Hunter (producer) Cody Hale (composer) Ryan Little (cinematographer) Actors: Will Swenson, Connie Young, Daryn Tufts, Kirby Heyborne, Michael Birkeland, Robert Swenson, Lincoln Hoppe, Gretchen Whalley, Sedra Santos, etc. 62 Mulholland Drive 18,810 19 182 Joyce Eliason (producer/writer) 7,191,513 66 China: The Panda Adventure 15,708 5 255 Reed Smoot (cinematographer) 2,170,338 67 Galapagos 14,859 5 892 Reed Smoot (cinematographer) 12,556,637 69 Cirque du Soleil: Journey of Man 14,379 3 703 Reed Smoot (cinematographer) 13,188,464 108 Mark Twain's America 3D 1,541 1 1375 Alan Williams (composer) 2,187,044 HEAVEN ON LATE NIGHT: 2 April 2002 - In what may have been the first-ever promotion of LDS Cinema on national network television, Anne Hathaway appeared on The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn to promote "The Other Side of Heaven." The title of the movie was mentioned multiple times during the introduction, in reference to what is coming up in the program. Hathaway, the film's lead actress (and the star of the surprise hit Disney movie "The Princess Diaries"), appeared as the second guest. She didn't have as much time as Bill Paxton (the first guest), and didn't get to experience Craig's famous "Five Questions" quiz. But she did have a chance to say very kind things about "The Other Side of Heaven" and say a few sentences about the film's plot. Answering Kilborn's questions, Hathaway also talked about "The Princess Diaries." In case you're wondering, the only "M" word used to describe the film was "missionary." It was a nice, generic plug. About a third of the interview time was taken up by Kilborn's questions and comments about college "keggers." (Hathaway is currently a 19-year-old student at Vassar University.) One interesting note: Hathaway mentioned that she got the part in "The Princess Diaries" only because she was able to go to an audition in Los Angeles while she was there on a 26-hour layover between the East Coast and New Zealand, where she would be filming "The Other Side of Heaven." So if it hadn't been for "Heaven", she wouldn't have been in "The Princess Diaries." Also: This week "The Other Side of Heaven" passed the $2 million mark, just in time for its upcoming national release on April 12th. It will be interesting to see how national distribution affects its numbers. Just a guess, but I don't think it will take the film quite as long to reach the $3 million mark. ANGLESEY FILM SEEN ROUND THE WORLD: If you watched the Priesthood session of General Conference (6 April 2002), you saw a few scenes from Latter-day Saint director Alisa Anglesey's 1997 short film "Elijah and the Widow of Zarephath." Scenes were shown while a general authority discussed the story of Elijah and the widow. Carrie Morgan (seen recentlyy as "Peg", Richard Dutcher's sleuthing secretary in "Brigham City", the movie's top-billed actress) and Robert "Bob" Nelson were seen prominently playing the parts of the widow and Elijah. Nelson had a small part in "Brigham City" (as "Parker") and had a lead role in Feature Films For Families' "In Your Wildest Dreams." MORE GENERAL CONFERENCE NOTES: Also during the Priesthood session, Elder Spencer J. Condie put in a plug for road shows, saying that young men should participate in "original one-act plays." During Saturday's afternoon session, extremely popular Latter-day Saint author Gerald N. Lund was called as a general authority. He is already the best selling novelist in the LDS market, with his "Work and the Glory" series of historical novels. He has also written two published science fiction novels (The Alliance and The Freedom Factor). With the current success of the movie "The Other Side of Heaven," based on the memoirs written by current general authority John H. Groberg, will it be long before a Gerald Lund-based script goes before cameras? BATTLESTAR GALACTICA REDUX: It appears that development is moving forward on a new "Battlestar Galactica" television project (based on the series created by Latter-day Saint television producer Glenn Larson). According to Sci Fi Wire, the "SCI FI Channel announced that it is developing an ambitious slate of original miniseries and movies, including several backdoor pilots for possible series." These include "Battlestar Galactica. This four-hour miniseries re-imagines the classic '70s SF TV series. Ronald D. Moore (Roswell) wrote the script, with Breck Eisner (Taken) attached to direct. Distributed by USA Cable Entertainment, the project will be executive produced by David Eick." (Other miniseries being developed include Cyan's "Myst", Haldeman's "Forever War", and Zelazny's "Chronicles of Amber.") RYAN VS. THE ROCK: It looks like there's a battle brewing -- between movies starring Mormon male leads. "Murder By Numbers" starring Ryan Gosling is going to open on April 19th -- the same weekend that "The Scorpion King" starring Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson opens. Who'll nab the Number One spot? Well... "Murder" has also got Sandra Bullock in it (1st billed, over Gosling's 2nd billing). Gosling, who starred in the critically acclaimed Sundance winner "The Believer," is one of the finest actors of his generation. The Rock, on the other hand, brings with him his immense WWF popularity, special effects, and a much bigger budget. Look for "Scorpion King" to K.O. "Murder By Numbers" in the first round. But expect "Murder" to go the distance with critics. RECURSIVE LATTER-DAY SAINT FILMMAKING: We managed to catch the "Latter-day Saints on the Silver Screen" documentary between the sessions of General Conference on Sunday and found the documentary, hosted and produced by KSL's Carole Mikita, to be well-produced and informative, although of course it is impossible to fully cover the subject within a half-hour show. Some important historical productions, such as "One Hundred Years of Mormonism" (the first feature-length documentary ever made) were left out. MOLEN'S LAST? In Carole Mikita's documentary "Latter-day Saints on the Silver Screen", Latter-day Saint movie producer Gerald "Jerry" Molen stated that "The Other Side of Heaven" was the last movie he made before retiring. But it won't be his last movie to appear on screens. "Minority Report", which Molen began filming before "Heaven," is scheduled to open on June 21st. We hope this won't really be Jerry Molen's last movie. But if it is, it's certainly a way to go out with a bang. The movie posters for "Minority Report" are viewable online. Molen is the movie's first-listed producer. Jerry Molen. Philip K. Dick. Steven Spielberg. Tom Cruise. Max von Sydow. John Williams. It doesn't get any better than this, folks. We're going to go out on a limb and predict that "Minority Report" (which had a production budget of $80 million) outperforms "The Other Side of Heaven" at the box office. "CLOCKSTOPPERS" AND "OTHER TIME": The family-friendly science fiction adventure movie "Clockstoppers" opened this with over $10 million in box office receipts, putting it in 5th place nationwide. This movie (directed by Jonathan Frakes, Star Trek's "Commander Riker") was NOT made by Latter-day Saints and does NOT feature Latter-day Saint characters (although Eric Lichtenberg of Brigham City, Utah is apparently an extra in it, playing an airline passenger). But I simply MUST say something about the plot. It features a rather unique scientific device in the form of a watch that apparently freezes time around the person wearing it. In actuality, it speeds up time immediately around the person wielding the device that everything around him or her seems to be frozen in time. It's an unusual science fictional plot device, and, as far as I know, it is an idea that has never been featured in any movie. But it is EXACTLY the same plot device that was used by Latter-day Saint author Diana Lofgran Hoffman in her 1993 story "Other Time." I have no idea whether or not the writers of "Clockstoppers" read or heard about "Other Time," thought up the idea on their own, or were inspired by some other source. (The stories ARE different - -- only the plot device and some manifestations of it are identical). But it's worth pointing out. Hoffman's story, published in the anthology _Washed by a Wave of Wind: Science Fiction from the Corridor_, edited by M. Shayne Bell, is well-written, imaginative, and moving. I loved this story since the time I first read it. It is unfortunate that this story, and Hoffman's other published story "Achilo" (which is even better), are not better known today. A review and more detailed description can be found at: http://www.adherents.com/lit/bk_Lofgran.html - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #674 ******************************