From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V1 #832 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Monday, September 16 2002 Volume 01 : Number 832 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:04:21 -0600 From: "Thom Duncan" Subject: Re: [AML] Neil LaBute Interview in _Salon_ > During my years out of the Church, I occasionally communicated with a few > faculty members at BYU. Sometimes there was a space of several years between > those communications. What I found fascinating was these faculty members had > been told "the reason" for my excommunication from OTHER BYU faculty members > with whom I had had absolutely NO communication. Over dinner once with Tom Rogers, he told me you had an axe to gring against organized religion and had left the Church to become a Quaker. Did you ever hear that one? >> Granted, the experiences of others may have been different from my own.But > when I hear members speculate about the reasons for another's > excommunication or disfellowship, I tend to lose respect for them. > To be blunt, I'm tempted to regard them as either petty or simply idiotic. > In the case of LaBute, no one is speculating, since Neil himself gives the reason. This can never be substantiated because the Church never publicizes the court proceedings but it is at least plausible because other writers have been know to have been excommunicated for writing things that their local leaders perceived as anti-Mormon. Thom Duncan - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: William Morris Subject: RE: [AML] Sept. 11 Tape Yesterday I attended a noon time concert at San Francisco State University, where I work. The final performance was Samuel Barber's "Adagio" played by the Alexander String Quartet. The piece was perfect for the day. It captured my mood and hit me hard, and judging by the applause and people's faces, it touched many others as well. Of course, it's nice to have a world-class quartet in residence that can play with such feeling, but I think the choice of composition to play was the true act of genius by those Alexander guys. So if you can find a recording of Samuel Barber's "Adagio" you might take a listen. I'm not much of a classical music listener, but, wow, that hit me like nothing else has. ~~William Morris __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:19:11 -0600 From: "Jana Pawlowski" Subject: [AML] re: Definition of Mormon If I were asked to judge who is and isn't a Mormon (but I'm not asked, = and no one is unless they have an official stewardship over that person, and ultimately God is their judge as well), so let me rephrase that. If I = were to come up with a theoretical definition of when you stop being a = "Mormon" I would say by two methods. 1) If a person's name is removed from the records by their own choice or excommunication and 2) By the spirit of the law which I, ironically, would like to define by = a law of physics. At the risk of sounding like Cliff Claven (Cheers postman) I'd like to introduce to some of you, the term *Roche Limit.* The following is my answer on a recent assignment so I'm quoting myself. "It is a critical distance sometimes referred to as tidal stability = limit, where if an object is being held together by "self-gravity" or a mutual gravity of another object (like two meteors or stars) , and it comes = closer to a larger object (Jupiter for example) then the object or objects are pulled apart by that planet's tidal force." In this analogy, if a larger or more attractive object pulls you away = from the Gospel, then in Spirit you are part of something else perhaps. The = D&C says everything is one eternal round to God, so maybe we can discover spiritual truths by studying laws of physics, and nature, etc. Along the same lines as the Roche Limit, is another science analogy from = my husband the Chemical Analyst. You can only change an element into another kind of element through the use of cyclotrons or betatrons or linear accelorators (easy for him to say). The processes involve changing the nucleus of the atom by shoving protons, electrons = and nuetrons into the atom or, conversely, knocking them away. Not as neat an analogy as the other is, but still somewhat analagous. However, my theories would stop at theory and not proceed to judgment: = I wouldn't say that person is damned or anything like it. It's not my = place to, and I don't know the end from the beginning like God does. It could = be a temporary phase that someone needs to go through to figure things out. = I *sometimes* think that this happens to people with a lot of integrity. = I don't know why I think that. However-- in my theory-- if that person then tries to persuade others or lead them away, or persecute the church, then it's become something else more malevolent and hasn't much to do with personal ethics or integrity. Jana Pawlowski Pray for me during my Astronomy midterms. janarandy@networld.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "R.W. Rasband" Subject: [AML] Refugee Bass Seeks Friendly Choir The community chorus here in Heber has disbanded, so I have been left kind of high and dry without anyone to sing with for the upcoming Christmas season. If anyone on the list knows of a choir who could use an extra bass (or baritone, if I stand on my toes) in Utah county, Summit county or the Salt Lake valley, please contact me off-list. Thanks, ===== R.W. Rasband Heber City, UT rrasband@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:52:54 EDT From: Stynwy@aol.com Subject: Re: [AML] Sept. 11 Tape Such good suggestions...even though many are pieces I don't know. I decided to keep a copy of it all and look some of the unfamiliar things up and listen. However, I would have to have Shostakovich's 5th Symphony on the list. Judy Madsen - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:07:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Fred C Pinnegar Subject: Re: [AML] World Without Credit What?! No room for me in Harlow's credit-free utopia of starving artists howing their asparagus patches? Excluded like cursed Cain, I will howl out my barbaric yarp from outside the fence. CREDO: Being solvent is no fun, and in the best of all possible financial worlds, your check to the undertaker will bounce. What is grace, after all, but an infinite extension of divine credit to poor insolvent me. Fred Pinnegar + all 15 if my blessed credit cards; may their numbers never wear off - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:49:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Fred C Pinnegar Subject: Re: [AML] RE: Definition of Mormon Eric said: > Well, I reckon, having started this durn thread, I should toss in one more = > little ol' 'pinion on her. =20 > > Ivan suggests that I'm watering the term Mormon down so much that = > absolutely anyone could say 'I'm Mormon,' and there'd we all be, stuck = > with that person as a Mormon. Is that that huge a problem? Are there = > really clamoring multitudes of folk up to their elbows in evil who want to = > call themselves Mormon? =20 > > Okay, so there's the occasional Ted Bundy sorts. Don't y'all start = > throwing stuff at me, but isn't it pretty healthy to acknowledge that some = > Mormons are also evil? That Mormonness does not convey righteousness goes = > without saying, but that Mormonness equates to some basic standard of = > decency seems similarly questionable. Joseph Smith was a Mormon. He was = > the prophet of the Restoration and we quite properly revere him. So was = > John C. Bennett, who had a few things he needed to work on. > > Eric Samuelsen > > My Reply: Well spoken. It seems to me that the term Mormon needs to be qualified in nearly every context in order to be properly understood. There are as many Mormonisms as Romanticisms or Feminisms. Here are a few breeds of sheeps and goats, wheat and tares, that I know of: 1. Good Mormon. This is the term I sometimes heard my father use when he identified his religion to people with whom he was conversing. "Active Mormon" is about the same thing. I like these terms because they stand for something and mean something to me and to other people. 2. Mormon heritage. This term was used by a daughter of a certain prominent political family in Arizona we knew in graduate school. She was not raised or a participant in any way in the religion, but the heritage was still meaningful to her in some way. 3. Jack Mormon. The term doesn't have as much currency now as it once did. We discussed this on the list a few months back. For me, the term suggests one who doesn't practice his religion. It is typically linked to people with WW problems and inactivity. My father used the term to describe the boys from Utah he saw during the war who were the biggest drunks on the base. 4. Apostate. One who refuses to get a life after repudiating the church and who actively agitates against it. 5. Danite. The bad guy (I think) in Willy Nelson's great film, Red-headed Stranger; apparently a MM survivor, kidnaps a native American girl and tries to explain her Lamanite heritage to her, which is interrupted by one of his cronies, listening in on the sermon, who says one of the great lines in LDS film history: "That's bullshit, and you know it!" He is described in the film as a Danite; however, my own bracelet replaces WWJD with WWPRD. 6. Recommend holder. While not an absolute standard, the recommend does says something, because without the temple and temple covenants, Mormonism is nothing more than a weird form of high-octane Protestantism. There are other groups, including intellectual and fanatic, that I haven't even touched. Kirby has a real great list. Knowing through our patriarchal blessing our tribal affiliation goes a long way toward understanding why people act the way they do. For example, the tribe of Ephraim is known for its unruliness and drunkeness, and you can ask any bishop about the problems associated with governing them. By the way, I count close friends in all of the categories listed above; indeed, some of my best friends are . . . Regards Fred Pinnegar > > > > > > -- > AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:29:49 -0600 From: "Nan McCulloch" Subject: Re: [AML] Accuracy in Published Sources - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thom Duncan" > >There were a lot of people there but only a handful really saw what > > happened. > > > > Even those who saw what really happened probably didn't really see what > happened. It's pretty much a given nowadays that even eye-witnesses differ > as to actual facts. I suspect that now one really knows what really happened > in totality. > > Thom > For these same reasons I am suspicious of the accounts of all writers of history. When I wrote my personal history I bent over backwards to be scrupulously honest and I still had a couple of people dispute some of my accounts. Thus, I coined the phrase "When my truth and your truth are not the same truth, whose truth is the true truth?" God only knows. Nan McCulloch - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:26:43 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] BYU Education Week Event Fred C Pinnegar wrote: > And as for the notion that the commandment to destroy evil art is ?something we > don?t do anymore because we?re supposed to be living under a more merciful, > forgiving law,? every recent prophet I know of has spoken against pornography in > all of its forms, artistic and otherwise, in such scatological terms that it is > difficult to see why anyone would want to give it away, sell it on e-Bay, or do > anything other than flush the sack of excrement down the toilet. If I thought > something were evil, why would I want to give someone that ?evil gift?? > > Those who are opposed to CD smashing seem to think that everything is worth > saving. Let?s say, for example that your young child finds a CD in the bushes > depicting children having sex with adults, other children, animals, etc (fill in > the gap at your own point of revulsion). The child shows it to you and says > ?look at these funny pictures I found, Mommy.? I know of not one person on this list who has ever claimed pornography is art. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:33:22 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Sept. 11 Tape James Taylor's "Fire and Rain" makes me think of 9/11. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:35:39 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Box Office Report Sept. 6 02 Christopher Bigelow wrote: > Could this be anything but a film version of the Work and the Glory? I > suppose it could, but Work and the Glory is the likeliest guess. That would explain why the leading man has to look like Adonis. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:43:57 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Neil LaBute Interview in _Salon_ robert lauer wrote: > > Margaret Young wrote: > >Hoping not to sound too judgmental here, but my personal policy is to NEVER > >speculate about the "real" reasons for somebody's excommunication etc. I > >consider those particular proceedings absolutely confidential. > > I couldn't agree more. > when I hear members speculate about the reasons for another's > excommunication or disfellowship, I tend to lose respect for them. > To be blunt, I'm tempted to regard them as either petty or simply idiotic. I agree, we shouldn't speculate about reasons for a disciplinary action when we know nothing about it. But when the recipient states why it happened, it stops being speculation. Assessing the reliability of his statement, perhaps, but not speculation. - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:33:10 +0900 From: Kari Heber Subject: Re: [AML] Sept. 11 Tape At 07:27 AM 09/12/2002, you wrote: >Get Jimmy Hendrix on that tape with "All along the watchtower" > >There must be some kind of way out of here, said the jumper to the bee. >There's >too much confusion, I can't get no relief. > >Fred Pinnegar I believe it is actually "joker to the thief." My suggestion would be "Brothers in Arms" by Dire Straits. A great melancholic song about the sadness and futility of war. - -Kari Heber - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:27:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Ivan Angus Wolfe Subject: [AML] Sept. 11 Resonances It's not so much a tape as an odd literary tie-in that was prompted by this taking of songs written before Sept. 11th and finding some resonance in them, even if unintended. Has anyone else had the odd experiences of reading pre-9/11 literature and finding odd resonances? Here's a few examples (all Pre 9/11 by at least a year): 1. The Lone Gunmen TV pilot: Rouge US Government agents take control of a plane and try to fly it into the World Trade Center (in order to frame terrorists and thus increase the military budget) - our heroes succeed at the last moment - with a spectacular shot of a plane just skimming over the top of the WTC. 2. The Spectacular Spider-Man annual 1999: Peter Parker has a dream where he is at the WTC with his family (many of whom died a long time ago - like Uncle Ben). Suddenly, there is an explosion and someone yells "It't the other building!" Peter looks out the window and sees the other WTC building with Smoke and fire pouring out of it - it looks like a bomb exlopded and took out several floors. 3. Ultimate X-Men 1: After an unspecified terrorist attack on United States (presumed to be done by Mutants), the president declares that in order to have more security, he will be cracking down on unregistered mutants and curbing a few civil liberties. Okay - so it was a cancelled TV show and two comics - hardly high literature, but I was wondering if anyone has any other experiences like that? - --Ivan Wolfe - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:57:36 -0600 From: Christopher Bigelow Subject: [AML] Irreantum Proofers Needed Hey, we're looking for proofers for the new Irreantum issue. We will provide you with a PDF file via e-mail, and you'll send us back corrections via e-mail. The turnaround time will be one week from when you receive it. (It's with the desktop publisher now and should be ready for proofing very soon.) Please contact me directly if you can volunteer this time (chris.bigelow@unicitynetwork.com). You can count this on your resume, you know. FYI, this issue has about 70,000 words and includes the following: Letters to the Editor President's Message Engaging the Environment through LDS Writing, Gideon O. Burton Editorial This Issue's Environmental Theme, Todd Robert Petersen Interview Terry Tempest Williams Memoir Excerpt Leap, Terry Tempest Williams Poetry Leon Chidester Lambing Riparian Passage Weather Advisory Song for an Old Man's Autumn Danielle Beazer Dubrasky Leaving Virginia Flood Moving Toward You At the Confluence Stanton H. Hall Priesthood in the Garden Susan Elizabeth Howe Utah: Five Sacred Lessons Bruce Jorgensen Getting Home from Ithaca, 1968 Two Notes from a Road Trip George Handley Isaiah's Elations Essays In Search of the Elemental: An Elaboration on an Entry from My Wilderness Journal, Levi Peterson The Quest for Essences as an Archaic Religious Quest: Terry Tempest Williams's Interrogation of Faith, Art, and Earthly Life in Leap, Neila Seshachari Keepers of the Stories, Dan Wotherspoon Stories Vigil, Darin Cozzens Desideratum, Julie West Staheli The Thing about Benny, M. Shayne Bell Candle, David M. Clark Editorial Twenty-Five Years of Writing with One Ear, Harlow Soderborg Clark Essay Poet in Search of a Longer Narrative Form, Patricia Gunter Karamesines Poetry Song for His Left Ear, Dennis Clark The Foolish Pilgrims, Patricia Gunter Karamesines The Pear Tree, Patricia Gunter Karamesines It Doesn't Take a Rocket Scientist, Patricia Gunter Karamesines When in the Grip, Paris Anderson What Abraham Has to Say, Darlene Young Reviews Passion and Paradox, Brooke Williams A review of Terry Tempest Williams's Red: Passion and Patience in the Desert Portrait of the Artist as a Young Girl: Coming of Age in Utah's Earlier Days, Valerie Holladay A review of LaVon B. Carroll's Love, Sin & Salvation: Three Women in 1930s Utah I Liked the Book, But Not the Parents, Natalie Martindale A review of BJ Rowley's 16 in No Time Adventures in History, Larry Jackson A review of Gerald N. Lund's The Kingdom and the Crown, Volume Two: Come Unto Me It Takes a Village to Raise a Purposeful Mother, Susan Barnson-Hayward A review of Colleen Down's It Takes a Mother to Raise a Village and Emily Watts's Being the Mom: Ten Coping Strategies I Learned by Accident Because I Had Children on Purpose Lessons in Friendship, Meredith Eaton A review of Julie Wright's To Catch a Falling Star Selected Recent Releases Mormon Literary Scene AML-List Highlights Chris Bigelow - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:25:41 -0600 From: margaret young Subject: Re: [AML] MARTINDALE, _Brother Brigham_ (Review) Think big. If Hollywood would take the time to make _Captured by the Mormons_, I don't see why a big press wouldn't be interested in this. I'd look into the big houses before going to a strictly Mormon press. And I'd get an agent. Christopher Bigelow wrote: > I remember reading this manuscript in a writing workshop and REALLY liking > it, although the last third or fourth or so needed more work. It was quite > compelling and unpredictable, and largely satisfying. Very entertaining and > even titillating to read. It was one of those books I thought about between > reading sessions and looked forward to getting back to. My biggest concern > with the book was just not being able to envision who would ever publish it, > because it's written for a Mormon audience (I would wager) but has too many > graphic and other uncomfortable elements for any of the mainstream > publishers. But I too would like to see it go somewhere. Signature? > > Chris Bigelow - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:45:33 -0400 From: "Russell L. Hansen" Subject: RE: [AML] Sept. 11 Tape Sting's "They Dance Alone" from Nothing Like the Sun Russ Hansen MCSE+I, MCSE (2k), CCNA, NCP hansenrl@earthlink.net - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:46:58 -0700 From: harlowclark@juno.com Subject: [AML] Mark Hoffman Symposium There's going to be a Mark Hoffman symposium tonight and tomorrow sponsored by Ken Sanders Rare Books, 268 S. 200 East, Salt Lake. There's a display of 50 Hoffman forgeries tonight and tomorrow, and Simon Worrall will be reading from _The Poet and the Murderer_ tonight at 6 p.m. I think the symposium will be held at the Capitol Theater. You can probably find more about it from www.kuer.org. I don't know if Sanders has a website. Simon Worrall and Ken Sanders and Brent Ashworth and others were on KUER 90.1 FM's Radio West this morning discussing Hoffman's literary legacy. The show will be rebroadcast at 7:00, and is probably available on their website. I was interested in what Ashworth had to say about the Church, and about the books that have been written on the subject, especially given the comment that ends Martin Naparsteck's review of _The Poet and the Murderer_, posted Sep. 9 by Andrew Hall : > There are at least a half-dozen books written about Hofmann, > but The Poet and the Murderer now ranks with The Mormon Murders, > the 1988 police procedural by Steven Naifeh and Gregory White > Smith, as the most readable. A great poet with a sensitive soul > and an evil genius -- the stuff of great stories. > -- -- -- -- > Martin Naparsteck reviews books from and about the West for > The Salt Lake Tribune. I read a few pages of Naifeh and Smith and decided not to read it, mostly because I didn't like the contemptuously anti-Mormon tone. I read a review later saying it was full of stereotypes that were the equivalent of the old anti-Catholic stereotypes about the tunnels full of baby skeletons running between monestaries and convents. Anyway, Ashworth says he and a friend informally ranked the books from 1 to 10 and gave Naifeh and Smith a -1 "I didn't recognize myself in it, or anyone else." (If anyone has a higher opinion of the book I'd like to hear it.) He gave Robert Lindsey's _A Gathering of Saints_ (found a copy at Provo D.I. Jan. 99, 75cents, haven't read it yet, but heard Dick Astell read a good portion on The Radio Reader, which I wish KUER or KUSU would carry) a 4 or 5 because Lindsey didn't understand the culture he was writing about. He gave Linda Sillitoe and Allen D. Roberts' _Salamander_ an 8, but felt its treatment of the LDS Church was unfair. (Someone mentioned though, maybe Ashworth, that _Salamander_ was originally much longer and had been cut.) Ashworth praised Richard Turley's book _Victims_ for what it tells us about the Church's side of the story. I think Worrall also said it was a very good account. I haven't read it, I rather distrust official histories, but I've been looking for an excuse to hunt down a copy. I read a review of the existing Hoffman books in BYU Studies (sorry I don't have the reference, but I'll bet Marny Parkin does) before the Turley book was published (I think). The reviewer said that one of the unexamined stories in this whole tragedy was how the press and some members had used the affair to beat up on the Church. Ashworth didn't say this directly, but suggested the same thing in his praise for _Victims_. Ashworth also addressed the perception that the Church buys documents to suppress them. He says this perception was fostered by Hoffman, who would sell or offer the Church a document, then publicize the contents before historians had had a chance to examine the documents. This gave the impression the Church was trying to suppress them. Ashworth said he was doing firesides at the time (Sillitoe says he was a bishop) and President Kimball told him to tell the people that the Church wasn't trying to suppress historical documents, it just wanted its own scholars to have first crack at them. Very interesting show. Sanders said he hopes to publish symposium proceedings. Should be worth reading. Harlow Clark ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:06:53 -0600 From: "D. Michael Martindale" Subject: Re: [AML] Sept. 11 Tape Well, since others gave lyrics, I'll reproduce the lyrics of my suggestion, to give it more weight: FIRE AND RAIN James Taylor Just yesterday morning, they let me know you were gone Susanne, the plans they made put an end to you I walked out this morning and I wrote down this song I just can't remember who to send it to I've seen fire and I've seen rain I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend But I always thought that I'd see you again Won't you look down upon me, Jesus, you've got to help me make a stand You've just got to see me through another day My body's aching and my time is at hand I won't make it any other way CHORUS Been walking my mind to an easy time, my back turned towards the sun Lord knows when the cold wind blows, it'll turn your head around Well, there's always a time on the telephone line to talk about things to come Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground CHORUS - -- D. Michael Martindale dmichael@wwno.com ================================== Check out Worldsmiths, the new online LDS writers group, at http://www.wwno.com/worldsmiths Sponsored by Worlds Without Number http://www.wwno.com ================================== - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V1 #832 ******************************