From: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com (aml-list-digest) To: aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: aml-list-digest V2 #67 Reply-To: aml-list Sender: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-aml-list-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk aml-list-digest Friday, May 30 2003 Volume 02 : Number 067 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 05:27:30 -0600 From: "Thom Duncan" Subject: RE: [AML] Mormon Horror >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-aml-list@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Scott Parkin > >In other words, they're just us folks. Cain may have a problem >with hyperpilosity, but he's just another of us folks--though >an exceptionally unhappy one. In the as-yet unpublished (except for a brief appearnace in an electronic format published by me) sequel to my Moroni Smith Series, _Moroni Smith: In Search of the Gold Plates_, Cain makes a rather dramatic and somewhat horrific appearance, endowed with all the evil powers that one would expect of a centuries old villain. Doctrinally correct? Hardly. But it sure was fun to write him. Thom - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:34:57 -0400 From: Justin Halverson Subject: Re: [AML] Mormon Horror **************************** > There are lots of other stories, such as the lamanite angels guarding > the temple from sons of perdition. (I forget which temple: either the > SLC or Logan) There is the story of the angel of light on the river in > the D&C. Again, I don't recall either of these stories. They don't seem like generally accepted supernatural/horrific lore to me. I don't recall hearing a lot of talk or speculation on these stories, and so I tend to see them as having little traction or resonance in the culture at large. Not that they don't have their adherent, but that they don't rise to the level of common knowledge and repeated speculation. My question is how many of them are really and truly considered real and powerful in the specifically Mormon culture--and how many of these stories are we regularly telling each other? ***************************** I've heard these stories (especially the lamanite angels, though they were more specifically the sons of Helaman) mentioned several times in seminary classes, Priesthood lessons, and Church-sponsored Boy Scout campfires at least as often as I've heard "non-Mormon" horror stories. And I grew up outside the shadow of the everlasting hills, even. Probably these are most common--just like horror stories, I would think--among the teenage crowd. Adults don't seem to tell each other horror stories of any kind "regularly," and certainly not as often as kids out late. Missionaries, too, tell these sorts of stories a lot (that's, come to think of it, maybe the most fruitful "field" for Mormon horror). Even if logically the antagonists in those stories--possessions, encounters with Cain in any of his various forms, etc.--are human, they aren't told that way. Cain, et al. may have been human once, but in the collective imagination (of teenagers through missionary-age, I'd say) he's taken on a very extra-human vibe. Freddy Krueger was human once, too, right? Justin Halverson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:44:05 -0600 From: "Paris Anderson" Subject: Re: [AML] ROGERS, _Heubener_ I'll admit to a huge memory problem (These kind of problems go along with head injuries). I remember these two plays because in Road to Golgatha I was a Russian Major and Thom was chairman of the Russian department. All Russian student went to see it because it was set in the USSR. Thom was cast in the play he played a drunk. In one scene he started to cry. It was a horrible sob that enveloped his entire soul, and terrifyingly, the sobbing turn into maniacal laughter. He wasn't wearing any socks. That's all I can remember of that play. In the Huebner play the only scene I remember is when the Branch President was on the phone. I don't think there was any dialogue. But after the play Thom was sitting at a table near the stairs in the HFAC. He was signing copies of a collection of plays he had put together. I believe they were $10.00. I wanted to buy one, but I didn't have the money. I wanted to shake Thom's hand and congradulate him and tell him I appreciated the play. We had become friends scine I left BYU. As I approached the table Thom gave me his adorable smile, handed me a book and shook my hand. And right at that moment I loved him more than all the world. I remember that. I still have that book somewhere, too. Paris Anderson - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:44:26 -0700 From: "Jeff Needle" Subject: RE: [AML] PETERSEN, _Hugh Nibley_ (Review) Indeed! And congrats back to you, I've just heard that the third volume of your trilogy is ready for the shelves. I can't wait to read it! - ---------------- Jeffrey Needle jeff.needle@general.com (or, if there's a bounce) jeffneedle@tns.net > -----Original Message----- > Congrats to Boyd, who received the Mormon History Association award for > best biography. > > ________________ > Margaret Young - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:03:10 -0600 From: "Thom Duncan" Subject: RE: [AML] Narrative Choices The Laird saith: >That is the reason I don't watch West Wing. It's a soap opera. I >haven't watched soap opera's since I was 4 years old. I can't stand >more than 5 minutes. I watched an episode of West Wing in the first >season and the jury was out as to whether it was a soap opera--watched >part of another episode and that was enough for me. Soap opera mixed >with political lies. Then you've deprived yourself of some very moving episodes where (gasp!) Republicans were actually portrayed as noble folk. I offer this assessment on the assumption that, judging from this and past posts, you would probably enjoy the show more if its President were a conservative instead of a liberal. If I am wrong, please feel free to correct me. The West Wing is continuously exhilarating, and often moving. There was an episode where President Bartlett talked to some young seaman who was the only surviving member of an attack. Another episode where a Senator speaks for thirty-six hours to get the President to cave on an issue because that Senator's grandson would have been harmed by the Executive policy still finds me short of breath when I think of it. The writers have not pulled punches, and have equally doled out character flaws to members of both parties. The President was caught in a lie to the people, for instance, which also cost him the election. The season closer was him turning over the government to the Republican Speaker of the House. It is a wonderful show. Definitely NOT soap opera. Also for what it's worth, they have also had some interesting debates on Abortion issues. Of course, if one is content in one's feelings about Pro-Life, such even handed debates would be a waste of time. Thom - -- AML-List, a mailing list for the discussion of Mormon literature ------------------------------ End of aml-list-digest V2 #67 *****************************