From: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com (bagpipe-digest) To: bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: bagpipe-digest V1 #3 Reply-To: bagpipe-digest Sender: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk bagpipe-digest Monday, August 30 1999 Volume 01 : Number 003 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:21:48 -0400 From: "ddave" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving Think of it this way!! You learn while you watch. I have played with the best bands in this country ( Canada) as a drummer... I have learned pipes for the last 8 years and have watched and listened to the pipey. I will agree with John on this. Amatuers shouldnot tune. Learn the tunes. Shut the drones off, work on blowing. Let the teacher or pipey do the tuning. I have found that if you spend more time tuning you blow out and end up tired because you don't get the tuning you want. Then your in a situation of not learning your tunes. Think about it!!! Enjoy your playing!!! Once you have mastered the tunes then your ready. Think again!!! Where does the College of Piping Tutor book teach you tuning??????????????? Don't listen to Royce!!!!! Listen to John, Ringo, or who ever else!!! This guy is an idiot!!! dougie13@my-deja.com wrote in message <7ofbsf$l59$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > sfupiper@my-deja.com wrote: >> EVERYONE should listen or read Baz Luhrmann's SUNSCREEN!! > >Rubbish!!!! I took the advice for what it was worth. Most >of it was practical, and it didn't cost me any money. > >As for the part about not worrying about tuning my pipes, >how the hell can I tune something if I don't know what I'm >listening for. Right now I'm satisfied with letting my >instructor setting the reeds and adjusting my chanter. > >I'm sure when I'm ready, I'll ask how it's done. >I'm sure when I ask, I'll be given the answers. > >Dougie Stewart >Fergus, Ont. > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:22:01 GMT From: sfupiper@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving EVERYONE should listen or read Baz Luhrmann's SUNSCREEN!! Pay special attention to : Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more that it's worth. But trust me on the sunscreen. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:04:39 -0400 From: "ddave" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving It is interesting to see the words of a Professional A..hole in the works!! Royce I have been watching your words for many months and have found nothing about you that has inspired me on this NG. For a person who wrote a book about pipemajoring which thank God I haven't purchased. You definitely do not open your mind to others. You seem on this NG to be the word of The big G. Let alone you are as grade 5 as they are!!! If for once you would take the word of others before you speak,and listen you would understand. No wonder you are still on the newsgroup rather than a millionaire with your wonderful pipemajor tutorial book that no one has heard of. You should take this advice rather than critic it at every move!! Idiots are a dime a dozen I do hope you are not in that dozen? Royce Lerwick wrote in message <37a36ac6.17362331@news.mn.mediaone.net>... >On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:03:38 GMT, JOHN MITCHELL > wrote: > >>Oh, and one more shameless plug! >> >>Don't forget to buy my CD, so I can eat while I'm over there >>getting my ass kicked by those good bands. > >Talk about a major denial problem! You won't be getting your ass >kicked by good bands. The good bands are in grade 1. You're in grade >2. > >We all know Colin MacLellan established this critera two years ago, >when he rendered for the NG his famous evaluation of my "contribution" >to the piping world. Your band is not a "bad" band as he put it >referring in his case to me and my bands, but not a "good" band. Or in >other words, again nearly quoting, your band "has accomplished very >little for the piping world." > >When you are a grade 1 PM in a grade 1 band that's doing a respectable >job in the major competitions, then you will be a "good" band and you >will have "accomplished" something. You "big boys" are awfully funny >about inventing these definitions to apply to guys like me, but are >even funnier when it comes time to apply them to yourselves. > >When you get there, you won't need to keep telling everyone you're >going to get there. Everyone will see you there. > >Royce - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 07 Aug 1999 02:11:52 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Key of the GHB >Does anyone know which key the GHB is written in. I am transposing some >piano >music to play on the GHB, but i forget what key I am transposing it to. I >think >it is the key of F. I don't know if this is going to help, but it's going to be succinct. Pipes can play tunes in 3 primary keys/modes/scales...call it what you will. The choices are A,D,and G (all in pipe notation). A is most common, accounting for maybe 60% of all pipe tunes; D might account for 30%, and G or derivatives thereof might make up 10%. Sorry, I take back my initial statement...this isn't going to be succcinct after all ; ) Amazing Grace is in D (pipers' notation). When I played it with brass band and pipes, the brass had to play it in E-flat (because my D is really closer to concert E-flat, because my A is really B-flat etc) while I played it like I normally do. Sounded good. I think if you transpose into either D or A, you'll see if it will fit the pipe scale. Or just noodle around with it. Good luck, Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 06 Aug 1999 04:36:01 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Key of the GHB If the range of your tune is the 4th below the tonic to the 5th above and the modality is major, it is in the key of D major. If the range of your tune is from the 7th below the tonic to the octave above and the modality is major, it is in the key of A major. If the range of your tune is from the 6th below the tonic to the 7th above and the modality is minor, it is in the key of B minor. If the range of your tune is from the 2nd below the tonic to the 3rd above and the modality is minor, it is in the key of F# minor. Finally, if you have a tune that must be played from the tonic to the 9th above, in major, such as "Morning Has Broken," you could use the key of G, but since you are playing against the drones, it doesn't work very well. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 05 Aug 1999 23:29:10 GMT From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thoughts on electronic tuners..what 's the setting? >I set the calibration to 445, don't try and set chanters with this tuner, >but its great for a quick tune of the drones. In ignorance I thought the loA on the chanter set the pitch of the drones. I try to get them to match. Would a slight pitch difference improve the overall sound to our ears? Thanks Rojo - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 07 Aug 1999 03:17:35 GMT From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving > >Don't listen to Royce!!!!! Listen to John, Ringo, or who ever else!!! Put all three in your mix and learn something. God help me from posting on this NG after a great pub session with the band. Jim - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 13:54:35 GMT From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Thick Sheepskin Bag I just tied on a sheepskin bag from A.T. MacLachlan in the UK. I looks to be very good quality although I'm no expert with sheep. The leather is 3+ mm thick and the bag is very well sewn and a good comfortable shape. It has a circular stamp at the rear that says "Real Sheepskin, Hand Stitched, Made in Scotland" Does anyone know who makes these? Now to the question. How is the break in period with sheepskin. What's the best way to care for it to ensure along and happy life? Thanks Bill Carr - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:16:34 -0300 From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Criminal pipers in the news... Gryffyn wrote in message ... >This appeared in the last issue of Chuck Shepherd's "News of the Weird" >(http://www.newsoftheweird.com/): > >Labor activist Dan Craig, 25, accepted a plea bargain in January in Toronto >that will keep him out of jail, despite his having protested layoffs at an >aerospace plant by suspending himself from a factory ceiling and playing >"Amazing Grace" on his bagpipes for four solid hours. >non carborundum illegitimi >[remove no-spam 'X' for mail response] Yes....this was in the canadian papers about 6 or 9 months ago..........in doing as he did, if I remember correctly, he was hanging in and/or around a large ceiling crane which, as a result could not be moved resulting in a work stoppage of half a day or more for many hundreds of workers.......I think his fellow workers were appreciative of his music, and his demonstration on their behalf......... David - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 06 Aug 1999 17:16:50 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Key of the GHB >Sure glad you and Stewart have cleared up this question that has been >troubling so many of us for so >long...................................finally nice to get such clear and >simple answers to such a complex question. You are welcome, David. Any time. :) (Seriously, the original poster asked a serious question, and I posted a serious answer. If it offended you in any way you have my most sincere apologies.) - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 07 Aug 1999 14:55:29 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Key of the GHB >1. By "tonic" in these examples above, do I take it you mean High A each >time? It seems to fit OK for D major, A major and B minor, but I'm a bit >foxed about F# minor. Can you think of an example of a pipe tune in this >key, so I can visualise it better? This will be somewhat of a technical answer, and for that I apologize, but I hope it will make sense. Take an octave (G to G, A to A, etc.) and divide it into 12 semitones. These correspond to the black and white keys on the piano, or the frets on your guitar. If you group these semitones into eight notes, you will have to combine ten semitones, which will make five pairs, or "whole" tones. If you arrange these in this pattern <> you will have a "major" scale. This corresponds to the white keys on the piano from C to C. The TONIC is the first note, i.e., the bottom note of the first whole tone. The TONIC will always be the bottom note when the pattern of whole and half steps is arranged in this pattern, regardless of the note you start from. For "minor," the pattern is <>. This corresponds to the white keys on the piano from A to A. The tonic for "79's Farewell" is A. The tonic for "Garb of Old Gaul" is D. The tonic for "Mist Covered Mountains" is B. >2. What about E minor? I'm thinking just now of the jig "Geese in the Bog" >as a good example. I'm not familiar with this tune. E on the GHB is neither major or minor. Played on the piano the scale would be: E, F#, G, A, B, C#, D, E. The E major scale would have a G# and a D#, and the E minor scale would just have the F#. If you will send me the tune, I will look at it and get back with you. >3. My third point is this: Haven't you forgotten that the whole chanter is >actually a semitone above concert pitch (give-or-take a few cents) What we >call "A" on a chanter is actually Bb to anyone playing on another >instrument. No. I just used the nominal names for the notes. I hope this didn't cause a problem. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 15:05:22 GMT From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: cost of bagpipes In article <19990807084719.09216.00008004@ng-cc1.aol.com>, lindapiper@aol.com (Lindapiper) wrote: > >You can call me a scarredy cat if you want > > SCARREDY CAT. > > If you were "able" to keep your wife satisfied long enough and/or have any > children, every saturday or sunday morning your ass would be forced to watch > countless hours of childrens cartoons. We generally take them to the park. If your dirtbag ass was ever subjected to this torment like my non- > dirtbag ass has been, anthropomorphic creatures like gulla gulla,la > la,hen,little bear ,chicken etc. etc. would seem almost real, and a simple > spelling error such as putting an extra " R" in scaredy would and should seem > at the very worst to be the sign of a man/woman that loves her/his kids > perhaps too much... Your neighbors really ought to complain about that. Do you dress for the identity you assume when you post? Do you wear a ghost costume when you post as the Screecher? Are you wearing a bra right now? Do you wear a straight-jacket and type with your toes as MAdPiPeR16? I'll bet Keiffer wears a stocking over its androgenous head. > life is only tough when the person living it is/ a shoe salesman/a fast food > manager/any retail manager/a bagpipe maker/illegal alien slave laborer/ or an > ignorant, impotent, reed making,dirbag- hick named Mark/ Well, doll-babe, let me ponder that after I finish my beer. Do you think you can come over and help me move the washing machine from the front porch to the yard? Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:11:57 -0400 From: "Blair Piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Reasons not to learn Contrary to the opinions expressed by some on this ng, I have found it to be a great source of information. Among the stuff I've gleaned are the following reasons for not learning to tune your pipes. - -It's so incredibly difficult that you will find yourself spending all your practice time at it, thereby neglecting your playing skill development. - -It's so incredibly enjoyable that you will find yourself spending all your practice time at it, thereby neglecting your playing skill development. - -An overly well tuned set of drones sounds so great that you will be tempted to plug up the chanter stock with a rubber stopper and simply play your drones. - -If too many lower grade pipers learn to tune, it will make it too difficult to distinguish them or their bands from the higher grades. - -Drone tuning leads to harder tuning, like chanter reed adjustments, and chanter taping and (gasp) carving. It's a slippery slope with no turning back. - -Somebody told me. Curiously, I have discovered that, while you should apprentice for many years before learning to tune, you should learn to tie in a new bag right from the word go. I think I'm beginning to understand why there are so many jokes about bagpipes. ....Blair - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 07 Aug 1999 02:31:10 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving >Amatuers shouldnot tune. Learn the tunes. >Shut the drones off, work on blowing. Let the teacher or pipey do the >tuning. >I have found that if you spend more time tuning you blow out and >end up tired because you don't get the tuning you want. Then your in a >situation of not learning your tunes. Think about it!!! Enjoy your >playing!!! Once you have mastered >the tunes then your ready. > Malarkey. BIIIIIGGGGG malarkey. Yes, in a lesson setting, I tune my students' drones, to save time. But I teach them how to tune themselves. It's not exactly rocket science. Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 04 Aug 1999 19:53:32 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: memorizing tunes >How does one prevent starting one tune and crossing into a similar measure of >notes, unintendedly launching off into that new tune(s), ending up confused >and >embarassed? If you always practice the tune from the top, you can usually keep the tune together. The criticism of this method is that you will know the first part of the tune very well bu not the later parts, but I have not found this to be true. If you need extra practice on the later parts, it is usually just a matter of a two or three note passage that you can practice as an exercise. More importantly, you need to analyze the tunes. Each tune has its own melodic, rythmic, or harmonic dynamic. If you learn these with the tune, and pay attention when you are playing, you will find it difficult to mix different tunes, even if you are trying to do it on purpose. Memory always fails, and there is no proof against sliding from one tune to another. But you can minimize this, even if you can't prevent it. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 07 Aug 1999 18:36:15 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: cost of bagpipes >Yeah, Lindapiper.... what are you wearing right now? > PLEASEEE! We do NOT want to know these things LOL! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri traghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:05:27 GMT From: "Screecher" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 5 Hints Playing tunes over and over at a slow tempo not only pratises technique etc but it also is the best way to learn what I consider one of the most important aspects of piping CONTROL... Time and again tunes are played too fast and become garbled and unlistenable, let us hear the notes and enjoy them. When called to play at an increased tempo the fingers will be much more supple and able to produce good sounding clear notes. Try playing slowly for half an hour and notice how the tendons on the back of the hands feel. Talking about driving a car is a bit silly is it not?? I have to go pipe on a cruise ship now and will be back later..... - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:28:30 GMT From: "M Forkan" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Royce's secret bagpipe seasoning Zing. Pow. Ccc31807 wrote in message news:19990807140842.09212.00008557@ng-cc1.aol.com... > Take 1 part logic and common sense; > Mix well with 2 parts bullshit; > Add a dash of humor (just a small bit, as too much would spoil it); > Heat well over flames; > Pour into newsgroup; > Massage well. > No need to drain excess, as all will be absorbed. > > This seasoning is guarranteed to take a typical thread and proof it so it will > hold all the crackpot and nonsense posts poured into it for an extended length > of time. Or your money back. Guarranteed. > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:17:47 -0400 From: "Blair Piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: cost of bagpipes markalee@my-deja.com wrote in message <7ohhve$3b5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Do you dress for the identity you assume when you post? Do you wear a >ghost costume when you post as the Screecher? Are you wearing a bra >right now? Do you wear a straight-jacket and type with your toes as >MAdPiPeR16? I'll bet Keiffer wears a stocking over its androgenous >head. Yeah, Lindapiper.... what are you wearing right now? :>} ....Blair - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:31:37 -0500 From: "Joseph Brady" Subject: (bagpipe) tune exchage just wondering if there are any sites or the like out there for tune exchage for Piob Mhor and PiobMaster programs thanks Joe - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 16:49:55 GMT From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thick Sheepskin Bag Thanks for the tips guys. I'll stick to Airtight until someone can recommend another brand that works better. I used a whole tin of it on the first seasoning and it only drained off about 1/4 of the tin. Boy did it leak air before it's first seasoning. I couldn't actually find just where it was loosing air but it was like trying to inflate a pillow case. After the seasoning it was as tight as a fishes bum hole. This was the first sheepskin bag I had ever tied in although I have done many hide bags before. I almost stuffed it from the beginning when I decided to be a smart ass pre cut all the holes, circular, before starting to tie in. I cut them too big! So much so that I didn't have to pass the stocks through the neck of bag but simply (literally) drop them down the holes. I used about 4 hours to complete the job but it turned out excellent. I had gotten up early in the morning, before the rest of the tribe, so I would have some quite time to do the job and I had been out partying the night before. The moral of the story: Don't "tie one on" the night before your gonna tie one on. Bill Carr - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 07 Aug 1999 18:08:42 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Royce's secret bagpipe seasoning Take 1 part logic and common sense; Mix well with 2 parts bullshit; Add a dash of humor (just a small bit, as too much would spoil it); Heat well over flames; Pour into newsgroup; Massage well. No need to drain excess, as all will be absorbed. This seasoning is guarranteed to take a typical thread and proof it so it will hold all the crackpot and nonsense posts poured into it for an extended length of time. Or your money back. Guarranteed. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 09 Aug 1999 00:42:15 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not? My first set of pipes was a set of "cocuswood" pipes from Pakistan. They cost $300 new. They appeared to be of passible quality when I got them. Not spectacular, but not junk, either. To play them I added a chanter ($110), bag ($70), drone and chanter reeds ($65), and valve ($3). To improve their appearance and make them presentable in public, I added a bag ($10) and cords ($15). I also needed to repair the blowstick and a drone top, that were defective to the extent that they were unusable. I had $573 in the pipe, which was playable to the extent that I could use it both in solo competition and band competition. The average listener wouldn't be able to tell the make of the pipe by the sound. I have seen other Paki pipes that are playable, and in fact are used for public performances. I have also seen two Paki pipes that are unplayable regardless of the upgrades. If I bought a Paki pipe, I would have a money back guarantee from the vendor, and I would also have them examined immediately on delivery by an experienced piper to confirm that they can indeed be made playable. I would recommend that a person consider Paki pipes only under these two circumstances: he is so poor that the choice is between Paki pipes and no pipes, or he is so unsure of his fitness to be a piper that he doesn't want to invest in a good quality set. Even then, I would state as a FACT that Paki chanters, bags, and reeds are of such poor quality that the buyer should expect to purchase these items to add to his Paki pipes. If you do not fit into one of these categories, buy a used set or a new set. Dunbar, Pettigrew, and Booth are presently the most price competitive of new pipes. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 09 Aug 1999 14:13:12 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not? >Note to other readers: "cocuswood" is in quotes for a good reason. Isn't it actually Rosewood that they call cocus? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri traghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:26:19 -0400 From: "Blair Piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving bruce@ais.com wrote in message <7ol8r3$f9e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > >If you find it very difficult to decide when the drone is in tune, do >not worry. _Everbody has the same problem at first_. It is only after >many attempts to tune that your ear developes the ability to match >the two notes accurately. > Right on! This is largely because it is impossible to play a constant low A while adjusting the drone, making it very difficult to hear the drone and chanter moving in and out of tune as you adjust the drone. However, if you get one drone close, and then replace the chanter with a rubber stopper, you should fairly quickly learn to add the second tenor, and get it VERY close to the first. Then add the bass. In fact you don't even have to be in tune with the chanter to benefit from learning to tune the drones to each other. Once this is mastered, it is much easier to move on to doing it with the chanter sounding. ....Blair - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 09 Aug 1999 22:14:33 GMT From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving >they bushwacked the serious pipers, but their Paki dirks broke before they >could do any damage, and the serious pipers kicked some hacker-butt. >Hey... who gets movie rights on this story? Hell, If the story turns out that way, you do Bill. Plus a substantial bonus. The plot thickens however .... Jim - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 09 Aug 1999 00:55:22 GMT From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not? > specific justification for the expense of a Scottish >set besides just saying that "Paki pipes are crap." Hold a set in your hands and examine them, it's worth a thousand words. Jim - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 1999 19:10:28 GMT From: "Jeremy Main" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The group: rec...bagpipe.curmudgeon Fernetta > >~~~You know you're a piper's wife if: >You are flattered when he gallantly pulls a > And who said Artificial Intelligence lacks a sense of humour.... > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:05:21 GMT From: "Screecher" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thoughts on electronic tuners..what 's the setting? ...Success... with the help of Bill *feadog*... round and round trying everything till eventually got it sorted pointed in the right direction by Bill. if you want to know how ask and I'll email. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:25:50 GMT From: shrink1@mindspring.com (John Richardson) Subject: (bagpipe) Ross vs. Canmore (generation 3) A friend of mine is considering replacing a hide bag with a 3rd. generation Canmore, or a Ross. We're in the South (Birmingham) and weather must be considered. Also, his thought is, "Is the Ross worth getting a journeyman's plumbing license to hook up all of the plumbing?" and considering that his playing never exceeds 30 minutes, or so, is there a need for the Ross's moisture trap system, or would the new Canmore be sufficient? Thanks, John - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:49:10 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not? >Is there anybody out there that has a Paki-pipe horror story they'd >like to share? Are they completely worthless? What are the biggest >complaints? Is there anyone who plays Paki pipes that actually likes >them? No, they're by no means completely worthless, and properly setup, sound pretty darn adequate. It depends where they came from originally. I've owned and set-up the same set of Pakis (originaly from Lark in the Morning) 3 times, for 3 different students. For the first 6-12 months you're on pipes, Pakis are as good as anything. That's 3 owners, 2 years, no cracks except for the blowpipe and I expected that anyway. However, some things need to be upgraded so you get an adequate sound. Required upgrades: Plastic "real" chanter $75 used EZs or Wygents or other synthetics $50 New bag $60 That's $185 for the essential stuff. Optional or as-needed upgrades Plastic blowpipe and stock $80 Better bagcover & cords $40 used That's $120 more. Figure you're going to pay $200-$300 for a set of Pakis, and spend $200 more getting them playable and good-sounding. Maybe $120 more than that. By now you're into them for almost $600. And, too, some Paki pipes are absolute trash. This particular set isn't, but maybe that was just the luck of the draw. That's my take on the Paki story. Zu Buying Paki, you get no guarantees of anything. Buying a name-brand of pipes, you do. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:39:51 -0500 (CDT) From: axnjxn@webtv.net (Daniel Jackson) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not? My first set was Paki- I must have lucked out because after I re-tied the chanter stock and seasoned the hell out of the bag three times or so, it became pretty airtight, but not for any extended period of time. I put Henderson synthetics in the drones and got a decent, consistent sound from them. The chanter, although too low in pitch to play with other pipers, got a reasonable enough sound for funeral work. Of course when I bought a Gibson chanter to improve the playability, I had to bore out the puny chanter stock and use a lot of hemp. Oh yeah, and the flapper was crap, had to replace that. I guess, echoing the other posts, what I'm saying is that your $300 dollar investment can be made playable if it's bored reasonably cleanly to begin with AND you invest another couple hundred. For that, if I had it to do again, I would have waited a bit and sunk all that change at once into a set of Dunbar poly's or the like (I'm gonna wind up doing that anyway so I have a set of bad weather/Paddy's Day beaters to fill in for my Hardies) FWIW Dan - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:03:30 -0400 From: "Blair Piper" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 5 Hints Royce Lerwick wrote in message <37af8741.11071697@news.mn.mediaone.net>... >In order to play fast you have to play faster than you are capable of >playing accurately. If you never play faster than you can play >accurately, you will never play fast. Speed, and accuracy. The two are >constant regulators and when you concentrate on one the other suffers, >but ultimately they both come up separately but arrive together with >accurate speed. That does it for me. If Ron, John and Royce can agree then I'm convinced, and that's the way I'm going. I'm also convinced that you can play a tune into the ground and simply stop improving at it or getting any faster at it. You need to move on to new material to improve. Thanks to Ron for the original posting in the thread. There's a lot of info there that at least I need to be reminded of from time to time. ....Blair - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ End of bagpipe-digest V1 #3 *************************** - To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.