From: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com (bagpipe-digest) To: bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: bagpipe-digest V1 #8 Reply-To: bagpipe-digest Sender: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk bagpipe-digest Monday, August 30 1999 Volume 01 : Number 008 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:57:53 -0500 From: Tad Myers Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thick Sheepskin Bag JOHN MITCHELL wrote: > Tad Myers wrote: > > For the first two weeks your bag will drink airtight. Put in a can to > > start with and then put in another can in a day or so. You may have to put > > in a third can a week after that. > > 3 cans of Airtight, I can see why your bag doesn't last that long > and it gets saturated. Its not a matter of saturated, its a matter that after a while (8-10 months) the bag starts to wear out. A sign of that wear is the seepage of bag dressing, be it Airtight or not. > #1 Airtight is animal fat, which will only start to rot the bag > as soon as it's poured in it. Try to find a Gelaten Based Seasoning, > as this acts as a presevative. Do you mean silicon? as in Sil-Seal? > #2 Every 3 months, Wash the bag out with a bit of dish soap, and let it > go bone Dry. This will wash out the bateria, and restore the bags > original moisture control. Good idea on, washing it out would probably help. Not trying to be too snippy John but if you used 1 can, drained it and still had leaks after a very tight tie in then wouldn't you use another can? I don' think the use of Airtight as opposed to a silicon sealer would make a whole lot of difference. I don't know of anyone (yet) who uses a sheep for more than one season anyway so whether the bag starts to rot or not is kind of irrelevant. I'm sure now i will get posting like "I have had my sheep skin bag for ## years..." well to those of you who can get ## years out of a sheep...god bless you. This is kind of along the lines of the "I have had this chanter reed for ## years and it still plays great" thread. I'm glad some of you can get X years out of a sheep bag but I find that when they burst during a major Piobaireachd contest the judge doesn't usually say..."Dang, you sure got a lot out of that ratty old thing before it burst its guts out". Cheers and may the sheep gods bless you Tad Myers - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:27:15 -0300 From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Flag Protocol . If I'm in full band uniform >> (including headgear) what's the proper procedure?? A: Hand over heart, >> headgear on head. B: Headgear in right hand, over heart. C: Stand at >> attention only. D: Stand at attention and salute the flag military style. >E: >> None of the above. > >B) is correct. Unless you are active duty military, in which case you keep >your headgear on, stand at attention and present arms. Obviously, if >you're wearing full Scots Guards with the feather headgear, this would be >a bit inconvenient, so the hand on the heart would suffice. > >If you're in formation, stay at attention. > >I'm no longer active duty, but I still salute rather than put my hand over >my heart......not technically correct, but, well, my heart still wears a >uniform, even if my body no longer does. Key word may be, " you are in UNIFORM", albeit a band uniform as opposed to military uniform(but unlike a marching brass band type uniform, you are emulating a military uniform in a pipe band), and headgear normally isn't removed out of doors while in "uniform". National flags, or flags of nations being honoured at the moment, could be saluted at attention as they pass without bringing criticism, I would think. IMHO David - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:40:04 -0300 From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: funeral idea Gaelmann wrote in message <19990830082637.05995.00002107@ng-fm1.aol.com>... subject. >So please don't persecute me as Jewel says" these are not your hands they are >my own". Don't ask me what that means but in a strange way I think it may >apply. > >Mike (don't judge me)McFafern Not sure why you feel guilty...............they didn't have to hire you BUT that being said, "dashing" for the car might be considered in poor taste. moving away from immediate proximity of the gravesite on the repeat(s) of AG would be in better taste, specially if it were followed by other appropriate tunes, slow aires, etc. continued until most of the party had left (from a couple of hundred yards away) so the sounds of the pipes still playing faintly in the background can be heard. For $200 I would be more than happy to go through all the appropriate type music I know (a couple of times)............and you might feel less guilty! David - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 1999 12:54:09 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: memorizing tunes This is a critique of Richard Mao's post on memorization. He wrote, in part: >Getting started on one tune and the fingers wandering off onto another tune >is >not necessarily a failure of memory... but a failure of concentration and >recall >and visualisation of what's next... > >Your subconscious mind plays the tune.... drives the car, manipulates your >fingers.... Your conscious mind is like the navigator... reminding the >subconscious mind what comes next, when a turn is coming up... whether you etc. I have to disagree with him, not so much on the practical tips, which are good, but on his theory. There is no "right" way, and each person must find out which works for him. This may not be true for anyone else but me, but this is the way I see it. Learning a tune and playing a tune both must be done by the conscious mind. The subconscious mind should have no involvement at all. If it does, you haven't learned the tune. When you learn the tune, you should do it as an act of your conscious will. When the composer wrote the tune, he wrote it as an act of conscious will, and the tune has an inner framework or structure, which is unique to that particular tune, and makes sense in that particular tune. If you learn (not memorize) the structure, the tune will be truly yours. Analyze the tune, note by note, phrase by phrase, rhythmic pattern by rhythmic pattern, harmonic pattern by harmonic pattern, part by part, until you know the tune, and you know what it says. You must work from your mind, rather than your fingers. In the examples given by RM, most (if not all) are examples of the failure of muscle memory, and are the result of not knowing the tune. RM's memory tips were good, and I recommend them. But I have two additional tips: 1. The FIRST thing you do, even before you can play the tune, is memorize it. You should be able to do this from the music alone, without ever playing it once on the pc. Memorize the tune like you would a poem. Get it into your head before you try to get it into your fingers. 2. Sing the tune. Put words to it. Find suitable lyrics from a metrical index of poetry. If you can sing the tune, with words, you can "sing" along as you play it, and I guarantee that you will never miss an ending or confuse the tune with another tune. Memory work is to your mind like working out is to your body. The more you do, the more you are able to do. There is no practical limitation to the human memory. All it takes is dedication and practice. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:07:47 +1200 From: Casey S Wilkes Subject: (bagpipe) Re: non-band pipe tunes Daniel Jackson wrote: > >Ceol Mor hard to come to grips with..... > > Bwaahahahahaha!!! > Was the pun intentional? I'm glad someone picked up on that, but I didn't think it was that good! Casey. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:50:17 GMT From: ToneCzar@erols.com (Chris Hamilton) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bagpipes at Weddings On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:01:46 -0500, Tad Myers wrote: >Had a friend play the Jolly Beggerman at my wedding 10 odd years ago...i >didn't know at the time that tune would foretell the future :o) Preach it, brother! >Stay away from "Collins Cattle" also, its not something you want to think >about. "Cattle Colons" ??? Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://www.serve.com/cowpb/chamilton.html - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:39:31 -0500 From: Tad Myers Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not? Theodore Le boeuf wrote: > Tad Myers wrote: > > > > Theodore Le boeuf wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > The pakistani's do make pipes that knowone over here makes. The Brian > > > Boru Pipe, and Keyed chanters. I still have my 4 keyed ebony chanter > > > and its a great instrument. > > > I am still having one of the makers over their copy a few named makers > > > pipes, one is a set of 1910 P. Hendersons, and the other is a David > > > something or other.... > > > They do have the bore sizes correct with a highly polished bore, like > > > everyone likes!! But I am having them work on the combing and beading > > > right now, more the combing. I would like the small lathe lines to be > > > more pointed and even than what they has sent in the past. But their is > > > still no luck on the chanter, they have a Sinclair chanter but they cant > > > copy it, so I will probably buy Ian Murray chanters from Scotland. > > > > > -snip the crap- > > > > > Please e-mail me at MikeLeBoeuf@hotmail.com > > > Thanks, > > > Mike > > > > Are you a dealer for one of these Paki hacks. > > No, I just like to throw money around and buy all of these pipes for > myself. (can you sence the sarcasm? or are you too narrow minded for > that too?) > ANYMORE STUPID QUESTIONS???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just remembered, you're the doorknob who claimed to have proof that Hardy was making pipes in Pakistan and shipping them to Scotland and putting his name on them. You were going to go to Pakistan and show everybody the proof. I retract my previous question, I should never have questioned your intelligence, you already demonstrated that you are an imbecile. I apologize for ever questioning something that you yourself have so aptly demonstrated! - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 1999 04:53:35 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: drone cord color? >Should cords complement the bag, the fringes, both, or contrast? > >I know it's "my choice", but I would like to select a color combo that >doesn't make me look completely colorblind. Helpful advice..........? Sorry, but you're severely limited yourself with that choice of cover and fringe. Usually the cords are the same color as the fringe, but there's no reason why you couldn't have each a different color as long as they're all complementary. Like burgundy, old gold, and navy, for example. Classic, conservative, and/or harmonious colors. Black cover, white fringe...you could go with either black cords, or white, or pretty much any color. Working with royal blue and black, there's not a lot that's going to harmonize. Check out a color wheel. Certain shades of green or red might work, maybe a forest green or a maroon but it's going to depend on the depth of color of the royal blue cover. The Kansas City Royals use royal blue and white, and grey on the road...yeah, grey might work. Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 22:27:39 GMT From: madpiper16@aol.com (MAdPiPeR16) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: drone cord color? Bryan Little blittl@erols.com wrote: >This has to do with simple aesthetics, but I need some input. > >I'm getting a royal blue velveteen bag with black fringes made for my >pipes. >But my limited imagination makes it difficult to decide what color drone >cords to use. > >Should cords complement the bag, the fringes, both, or contrast? > >I know it's "my choice", but I would like to select a color combo that >doesn't make me look completely >colorblind. Helpful advice..........? You should definetly use black cords so it brings out the black fringes. If you choose blue cords then the black fringes would look out of place. Just MHO. ~MAdPiPeR~ - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:45:16 GMT From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thick Sheepskin Bag In article <37c57ad0.33487722@news.demon.nl>, redrose@datagids.demon.nl wrote: > You can always consider using the all new "GLENNIE" bagpipe... > It's the "Enjoy your piping with less effort"-bag... > > This bag is specially tanned and pre-treated with Neats Foot Oil, > which gives an airtight, absorbent, supple and maintenance free bag > pipe...!!! Just so we don't get too far off-track, the Glennie is a hide bag not a sheepskin bag. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 1999 17:36:01 GMT From: pyppr@aol.com (PYPPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Higgins does good work. Colorado Irish PB has used Higgins for all its kilts for about 10 years with never a complaint. Stu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:11:28 GMT From: markalee@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reasons not to learn In article <37ac599e.0@flint.sentex.net>, "Blair Piper" wrote: > Curiously, I have discovered that, while you should apprentice for many > years before learning to tune, you should learn to tie in a new bag right > from the word go. It's just a matter of utility. Before you can ponder the secrets of tuning and smoke clove cigarettes with your palm up and pinky extended, you must first tie in the bag. Mark Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 1999 23:03:12 +1000 From: "FRED" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: question Re: Military band Horsehair sporrans?... lsrapm wrote in article <7pf0hn$v9c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... > > Adidas5136 wrote > > Hello, > > I have recently got a band issued military band horsehair sporran. It > was > > in the storage closet for quite some time so it has large waves and bends > in > > the hair. How do I straighten out the hair so it is as it should be? > please > > reply A.S.A.P Thanks alot. > > S A M (Adidas5136@aol.com) > > Shampoo it in hand-hot water without letting the water soak the backing. > Only wash the hair itself. Then comb it out gently with a hair brush or even > sit down for half-an-hour and gently pull all the tangled strands apart by > hand. It takes a lot of patience but it's worth it. > > Then always store it hanging up. > > Chris Eyre > > shampoo sound good, i have had success doing the same but using plain ordinary sunlight soap and comb/brush out. i might use some of the mrs shampoo next time. thanks for the tip. dave. > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 1999 22:57:13 GMT From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not? > total disinterest in the product on any level other than making a buck >out of it. I doubt if the workers own the means of production. The actual makers don't get diddly. How can they care about quality? - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:11:55 -0400 From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Highland Cathedral Accompaniment Although I've played Highland Cathedral at weddings, I have yet to find a good organ accompaniment for it. Does anyone know where I might find it? Bill Burt - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 1999 21:14:48 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: memorizing tunes With all respect, your schema, to me, is extremely dangereous. I say this as an amateur musician who has memorized a great deal of music, most of it not bagpipe music. The absolute WORST thing you can do in committing a piece of music to memory is to play it through enough times to be able to play it without the music. Not only is this method inefficient, it will fail you at the most critical time. You wrote: >What, then, is the process of learning. How do you, learn/memorize under this >viewpoint? The conscious mind’s role is to show the subconscious mind how to >play a >tune and then the conscious mind gets out of the way. > >First, we must recognize that either the conscious mind or the subconscious >mind >can control and manipulate your fingers. I visualize the memorization process >this >way: > >At first, the conscious mind uses your eyes to read the music and move the >fingers >according to the pattern of notes. The conscious mind is “showing” the >subconscious >mind how this tune goes. > >Then comes repetition of the musical phrase (in this context, a phrase is a >chunk >of music that the piper is comfortable with memorizing, e.g. a four-note >musical >word, a two-bar phrase, an eight-bar part–all based on the piper’s current >musical >memorization capability). The conscious mind makes the fingers play the >phrase over >and over...eventually the conscious mind gets familiar with the tune and its >attention wanders. The subconscious mind reaches out under the conscious >mind’s >finger control and starts manipulating the fingers. > >The conscious mind at first resists this takeover and the fingers fumble, the >fingers can lock up....the conscious mind has not developed confidence that >the >subconscious mind can do the job. (Imagine a father hanging on to the seat of >a >bicycle, running along side while his child pedals the wheels. The kid >shouts, “let >go, let go” and sooner or later the parent has to let go...the kid might >wobble, >but will straighten out and peddle on its own....that’s successful learning >and >letting go.) This is a recipe for disaster. After you have memorized a tune, you should be able to sit down with a sheet of manuscript paper and write the tune perfectly, without using your fingers to "play" the tune, or your ears to "hear" it, or your eyes to "see" it. Only when you have done this can you be said to have learned the music. I don't think that you can do this with your method. Try it and see. If you can, then your method is fine. I would be interested to see if it works. On another note, it seems to me that pipers differ from "real" musicians in two respects. First, a "real" musician can perform being completely unfit. A piper can't. The GHB is a physically strenuous instrument, and it calls for a certain level of physical fitness. Second, a "real" musician doesn't have to rely on his memory. He is seldom called upon to play without his music. A piper can't do this. He can't play with the music, he must play without it. (When is the last time you saw a piper playing in front of a music stand?) This is why this topic is so important, and why memory work must be given the highest priority. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:52:19 -0400 From: "ddave" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving I think you hit it! A few of us talked about this today and we were waiting for the post on stoppers. You learn alot playing the chanter and bringing in one drone at a time. Your also right on, about steady blowing and playing low A. I would think that if more people on this NG were more constructive giving dvice this would resolve this. Definitley better than slagging hints it is better to offer other helpful hints though they may be opposite. Better to try several methods rather than one! Have a good one! Blair Piper wrote in message <37ae3baa.0@flint.sentex.net>... > >bruce@ais.com wrote in message <7ol8r3$f9e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >> >>If you find it very difficult to decide when the drone is in tune, do >>not worry. _Everbody has the same problem at first_. It is only after >>many attempts to tune that your ear developes the ability to match >>the two notes accurately. >> > > >Right on! This is largely because it is impossible to play a constant low A >while adjusting the drone, making it very difficult to hear the drone and >chanter moving in and out of tune as you adjust the drone. > >However, if you get one drone close, and then replace the chanter with a >rubber stopper, you should fairly quickly learn to add the second tenor, and >get it VERY close to the first. Then add the bass. In fact you don't even >have to be in tune with the chanter to benefit from learning to tune the >drones to each other. Once this is mastered, it is much easier to move on to >doing it with the chanter sounding. > >....Blair > > > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 23:34:00 GMT From: "Screecher" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Thoughts on electronic tuners..what 's the setting? I downloaded the Tune!it program from the website, it loads okay but when I play a note into the microphone I hear the note come out of the speakers but get no response from the on screen tuner. If I follow the readme instructions I do not see the corressponding note box turn red, nothing happens.The troubleshooter says to set microphone level of the soundcard up high, but how do I do this?? cheers - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 1999 00:26:22 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Reaming chanters >I got confused with all that crap going on in Royce's back yard. > The backyard??? He's got crap in the backyard too? Front lawn, back yard...Your knee deep in the stuff eh Royce? LMAO! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri traghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:03:23 +0200 From: Fred Bronius Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Bags Hi there,
 

I know L&M bags very well. And yes the are good, but seven years is along time. It all comes down on the climat you live in, In Holland just as in Scotland the wheater is mostly rainy and that's why we choose for the sheepskin. it absorbs the moisture, but when you live in a dry climat the best bag to choose is a hide or an elk bag. Furthermore everything depends on how wet a blower you are. Watch out with the Canmore bag, because this bag doesn't regulate the moisture so good.
But anyway at the end off it all it comes down to the taste of the piper himself, but you have to take some points in account before you choose a bag.

Fred - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 1999 12:07:16 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not? >it is Cocus wood from Pakistan, so you should already know >what it is. Firewood? Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri traghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:03:07 GMT From: "Screecher" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Another stupid newbie question - oil Richard Mao wrote: >If you discover an old unplayed set of pipes (ten plus years), DON'T oil... the >sudden moisture change will swell the inside of the bores and crack the drones... I disagree with this statement. I have refurbished/rescued many old sets of pipes that have been lying in attics/under the bed for many years, a few sets had been unplayed in the box since they were last put away after a playing session 50 years ago (yes they do stink and yes all the hemp turns to dust). I strip all the hemp off, wash in *warm* water + washing up liquid, rinse again in warm water, let them dry (not for days but only 10-15 minutes), then apply loads of almond oil, let this seep in and when dry or starting to look dry,add more almond oil (as a guide they change colour slightly from brownish to blackish), let them stand and then reassemble. I have done this to at least 15 sets of old pipes and have never had any problems at all. One set is still being played 25 years after I first did this wash/oil. I currently have a set of ivory Hendersons waiting to be rescued when I get time. I play a set of Lawries and don't really oil at all. May be once every 3-4 years they may get oiled. Ussualy I am too busy with other peoples pipes! The only regular oil they get is if the waxed hemp on the tuning slides is too tight, then a *drop* of almond oil removes the stickyness. I am not trying to say this is a hard and fast method but it has allways worked for me. Any one else have any comments. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1999 18:15:34 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not? >Bill, > >There is no duty on importing bagpipes from anywhere. > Scotland, Canada or Pakistan. > Thanks Mike, but I didn't ask that question, the original poster did. I admit going overboard with the Paki thing, most of it was satire. But I am bothered by people using words like "Paki quality", and especially dealers who profess that their pipes are "OK" (notice you never heard "great" in any of their posts?) or otherwise trying to tell newbies that they're pipes are worth the money you'll pay, because I just don't believe this is true. Last you'll hear from me on the subject, I wasted enough of mine and everyone elses time on it. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri traghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:27:02 -0500 (CDT) From: axnjxn@webtv.net (Daniel Jackson) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: funeral idea that's the way I always do it, Mike, although I usually hang around until the immediate family leaves. I sort of look at it as piping the deceased person along the path home, in a philosophical kinda way. I've gotten very grateful and positive response from family members/friends I've had the occasion to talk to after the funeral. FWIW. Slainte, Dan - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:26:18 +1000 From: "Ton" Subject: (bagpipe) What Pipes should I buy? I have been going around the net looking for info on which pipes I should buy. I have always been using my school pipes and I'm now at my second last year and when i finish high school next year, I'll have no pipes. I know nothing about what is a good pipe and how to look after one (learning next year). I have seen Gibson pipes... They look good, but are they any good? So I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I'm looking at a price range of $1000 - $2000 Australian Dollars. a reply would be appreciated thank you! - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:26:55 -0300 From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Bags The best bag to choose is the sheepskin bag. It regulates the moisture very good. No stopping of drones due to moisture. Al my bandmembers play on them or when you are a wet blower like me, you can choose for the Ross cannisterbag, aswell. Those two types are the best there is money can buy PM Fred Bronius. City of Amsterdam pb Beware of any answer that gives you "the only solution" .....this is an example of an "expert" giving you the answer, when we don't know where you are geographically or playing wise. Many variables have to be considered when selecting a bag and you have offered none of them in your initial post requesting help! Seven years on an L&M cowhide bag is at the short end of life cycles...........one piper in the tattoo this year was using one which was 20 years old..............10 to 15 years is very common. David - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 1999 14:16:07 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone cords: Silk or polyester? >Real silk "silk pipe cords" have not been around for thirty years or better. >for that matter niether has silk lingere, I mean not that i would know ...or >anything...I mean about the lingere... > Consider this little bugs produce silk. If little bugs had to poop out >enough stuff for you "silk" pipe cords do you think that they would cost >29.99. > no really, silk is too expensive to produce for things like that anymore. >they have been synthetic for years. The difference between these and you last >cords is probobly just a different maker That's interesting because at band practice the other night someone was examining our pipes and commented on the quality of our tassles, and after touching them said "they're real silk too". It's nice to know that if they are or not, (who cares?, as long as they look good) that some NON-Paki made stuff still looks good enough to fool the eye and hand. And contrary to Mr LeBeouf's contention, the world does NOT evolve around Pakistan, and there's ACTUALLY other makers of products in the world besides Pakistan. Oh yes we know Mr L., it was REALLY made in Pakistan, then secretly smuggled to other countrys who mark it up, and sell it as their own. PLEEEEEEASE! BTW, Who suggested lighting your tassles to test them? You've probaly just been responsible for burning up a few hundred pipes and pipes Hopefully they were Pakis LOLOLOL Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri traghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 1999 01:11:19 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: funeral idea >You could also meander off playing the tune "Going Home". > Sometimes I do just that, but it's hard to play while smirking.... Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:50:44 -0500 (CDT) From: axnjxn@webtv.net (Daniel Jackson) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Top 10 Hints for Improving FWIW, there is a device called the piper's third hand that a lot of the suppliers carry. I haven't tried it, but it's apparently a sleeve that fits around your chanter, helping you to close the chanter to low A, while leaving one hand free for drone manipulation. Anybody used one of these? Are they worthwhile? Slainte, Dan - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:29:11 GMT From: ToneCzar@erols.com (Chris Hamilton) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bagpipes at Weddings On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:51:08 -0400 (EDT), RIpiper@webtv.net wrote: >Im assuming that STB is Scotland the Brave....Thats what My entire >wedding party including myself and my parents walked down the isle >to...My teacher/pm played it...Slowed it down a little....It was >great...Amazing grace would be a bad tune to play... My wedding next year ... Highland Cathedral (request of the lovely bride herself) When the Pipers Play (ditto) Top Deck In Perth (request of the lovely groom) At my very first wedding gig (my sister, 1974) I think I played Morag of Dunvegan. Probably unrecognizable, and certainly on a hideous choking and untuned bagpipe ... Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://www.serve.com/cowpb/chamilton.html - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:24:38 -0500 From: Tad Myers Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pakastani Pipes, Why Not? Theodore Le boeuf wrote: > Hi All, > > The pakistani's do make pipes that knowone over here makes. The Brian > Boru Pipe, and Keyed chanters. I still have my 4 keyed ebony chanter > and its a great instrument. > I am still having one of the makers over their copy a few named makers > pipes, one is a set of 1910 P. Hendersons, and the other is a David > something or other.... > They do have the bore sizes correct with a highly polished bore, like > everyone likes!! But I am having them work on the combing and beading > right now, more the combing. I would like the small lathe lines to be > more pointed and even than what they has sent in the past. But their is > still no luck on the chanter, they have a Sinclair chanter but they cant > copy it, so I will probably buy Ian Murray chanters from Scotland. > -snip the crap- > Please e-mail me at MikeLeBoeuf@hotmail.com > Thanks, > Mike Are you a dealer for one of these Paki hacks. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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