From: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com (bagpipe-digest) To: bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: bagpipe-digest V1 #160 Reply-To: bagpipe-digest Sender: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk bagpipe-digest Monday, October 25 1999 Volume 01 : Number 160 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:23:12 -0400 From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lookin for : Imortal memories I'm not sure that there's a tune by that name, though I could be wrong. "Immortal Memory" refers to a keynote speech given at most Robert Burns Suppers on or around each Jan. 25. No matter what the text of the speech, the speaker will usually end by asking all participants to rise and join in a toast to "the Immortal Memory of Rabert Burns." Bill Burt T. Charles wrote in message ... > If anyone knows of this tune please let me know. >I am willing to buy the book(if it's in one) ,But if you have it to send to >me I won't argue. >Cheers >Tim > > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:26:11 -0400 From: "Bill Burt" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Old Ivory mounts? I'm told that Gordon Tuck might be able to help people such as us who have ivory mounts. I don't know how to reach him, but there's likely someone on the group who does. Bill Burt Bill Carr wrote in message <3810E324.F1FE6802@of.telia.no>... >Does anyone know of any old ivory mounts for sale? > >I'm after 2 projecting mounts, one ferrule and a ring cap. The old >Henderson or Lawrie style. > >Thanks > >Bill Carr > > > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 1999 12:05:40 GMT From: gaelmann@aol.com (Gaelmann) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: THE BIG TONE CONTEST >We'll make it a blind sample so nobody >knows whose playing, then we'll reveal the player >and his/her setup I can't wait to hear Bagpiip's setup, or Royces for that matter, Ccc, Zudu, all of em, Oh and Royce this time You have to use a GHB, you cant just play your Buzpip. I was so disappointed listening to your midi file, as there's really no judgement that can be made about your abilities since the "MAIN" factor, "TONE" was suspiciously deleted from your performance...how odd. Hey I'm just trying to keep things on an even keel. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 1999 12:43:03 GMT From: gaelmann@aol.com (Gaelmann) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: J. Mitchell-Who does he think he is? >I've thought about it, and right now your just a goof >with a fake name. What makes you think anyone >really cares what you post. > >No identity, gives you no credibility! You tell him John!!!!!.....Yeah!! YE-HAAA:) - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:44:50 -0400 From: Bentley Wall Subject: (bagpipe) online survey, prelim results There has been a very good response so far on the survey so I thought I would post the preliminary results in order to keep the spark alive until the end of the week, when I said I would close it off. 26 people have responded so far: First question is whether or not scoresheets should be written as to be useful to competitors: 25 yes, 1 no Second question is whether or not judges should have nonoverlapping territories to adjudicate: 15 yes, 11 no Third question is whether or not a weighting system should be designed to allow for more consistent assessment: 18 yes, 7 no Last question is whether or not things should be left the way they are: 8 yes, 17 no So far I find this most interesting for several reasons. First of all, I got the impression from the discussion of the original thread that most people were against change, at least the ones writing in. Apparently there is a lot more feeling that things should evolve by the silent masses. This is one important aspect of a blind survey. You get to know what everyone thinks not just the vocal people. Secondly, there is much support for SOME sort of weighting system, and at least a fair number of people thinking that judging territories might work. I was surprised by this. The discussions we have already had seemed to indicate that it was too big a problem to address. I think if we discover that enough people feel this is something that ought to be done, we might try to address it here and see what sorts out. I will hold the survey open until the end of the week then I will post the final results. Keep the votes coming in. Remember this is a blind survey. I have no idea who has sent in what votes. All I get when you complete the survey are four answers to four questions. Nothing personal about the sender shows up. I WOULD like to know who sent in the one and only vote thinking that scoresheets should NOT be useful to competitors, and John Wilson (Ontario) is dead so who would THAT be... Once we have this completed, we can think about addressing what type of territories or what type of weighting system we should design if the votes remain in favor of those two things. Start thinking up ideas now. After we think up some good scenarios, we can take a vote as to the best ideas and then pursue those. This is great! Bentley Wall - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 1999 12:31:12 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Sir just drop the chalupa ) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: THE BIG TONE CONTEST >I can't wait to hear Bagpiip's setup, Kieffer ol boy... you'd love it! IF I was "in", but it's not fair for me to enter and show-up ol' pros like John and Chris ;?)~ Besides, how much can you tell over the internet? Your sound will only be as good as your Computer will record. And I don't know STB. Bill "The new improved bagpiip, now 50% quieter and less annoying" Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 1999 12:18:56 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Sir just drop the chalupa ) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: A wee joke for you >Edward Longshanks (Edward I of England) comes to Scotland to conquer the >Scots. He brings 4,000 men with him. As he reaches the >battlefield,suddenly on th A true story? LOL! Bill "The new improved bagpiip, now 50% quieter and less annoying" Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:09:32 GMT From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: J. Mitchell-Who does he think he is? In article <19991024203532.14749.00000730@ng-fc1.aol.com>, ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) wrote: > I mis-spoke. I went back and reviewed your posts. Deja news had about 1200 > posts from you. I did not read them all, but I looked at ten at random. In > one, you offered to make a piper a false stock. In the others, you vented your > spleen. So instead of "never" I should have said "90%." Please accept my > apology. Wow! That's quit a sampling you did there. That's more work than I would have put in. You are polite, though. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 1999 12:57:05 GMT From: gaelmann@aol.com (Gaelmann) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piping & Making Love: The Similarities Continue >>Mitch (he's lonely) > >It's because he's too quick in the sack. > >I think I recall the late Seamus McNeill saying something about the Golden >Rule >of piping being "slowly and often." Bullshite, I once stayed in a holiday Inn one door away from him.. I remeber He kept on yelling "Thats it, NOW YOUR BLOWING SOME FU#$ING TONE...the odd thing was, he was the only one in his room.LOL - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 1999 13:07:43 GMT From: gaelmann@aol.com (Gaelmann) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pachabels canon >> Any grade one bands looking to completely kick the crap out of any >competition I mean completely destroy >any doubt that you are the best that >ever was, get an arrangement of that!!!, > >Didn't seem to need it this summer... > >Robert (too much cheek) MacLeod Robbie old boy, glad to see you take some bait for a change. Congrats..Victory well deserved. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:00:14 -0400 From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hurricane Maeve hits the UK!! I finally was able to find this post and thought I would repost it as there are some interesting thoughts in it! First, notice that John refers to Angus in the same "human" sense that I do :) :) :) Angus has that way with people :) :) But most importantly, there are two bits in here that piqued my interest, at the time and now. I KNOW that I said that I would put off tinkering with cane reeds until after our season is over. But being the sado/masochist that I am, I can't help myself. John introduced me to cane and the beautiful sound that can come from cane. I am still mesmerized by the sound and am having a tough time restraining myself. Can we all talk about cane reeds for a while??? Please?? Different makers, qualities, natures? John mentioned in his post the combining of synthetic and cane reeds. Comments? I want to learn MORE! I'm a sponge when it comes to piping and I loved Angus even more with the cane reeds in him (I didn't think I COULD love him more!). Second, the piobaireachd differences. . . . John, I play the High G with the top middle finger and thumb and the High A as I do in any tune. This is how I was taught to do it. Occasionally, I'll slide in an open C but that is not for any reason other than it's just more comfortable at the moment (also known as Maeve's Bad Trick of the Week! . . . I manage to pick up at LEAST one of these a week!). :) :) :) :) Let's have a QUICK discussion on this one as I have my competitions starting in 3 weeks and I will need time to change things here!!! IF they need changing! Thanks, John, for your kind words and thoughts! You are certainly a gentleman . .. well, until it comes to crossing noises!! ;) :) :) :) :) GEEZ am I aware of those now! I can't imagine what happened! My teacher NEVER pointed these out to me before! It must have been that COLD UK climate slowing me down ;) :) :) - -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - -----Original Message----- From: JOHN BROADWELL >Yes, one day last week, I finally managed to meet up with Maeve that darling >of the newsgroup during her visit to the UK. What a meeting, what a woman!? >Coventry was the appointed place, we snook off to the local park, pipes >eagerly clutched in hands, sun blazing down, unusual for this time of year >in England, and set about getting ourselves and our pipes acquainted. Turn >and turn about we played, and despite the nearby proximity of some >residential housing no one bothered us all afternoon. Then a longstanding >interest and ambition was realised yes!! "I finally got to play Angus", I >had followed every post on his resurrection, on being returned to active >duty under Maeve's loving care and after a twenty five year layoff . This >Angus is a damn fine pipe, he has the most beautiful grain throughout all >his drones, this was very evident under the glaring English sun. Angus is >also very heavy, this is a characteristic I have always liked, and reminded >me of a set of pipes a friend owned, made by a chap called Charlie Weeks >from great Dunmow in Essex. Well I played and played and played, couldn't >put the old boy down, what a joy :-) and despite being distracted and >pleaded with ;-) it was some time before I reluctantly stopped playing him. >Well!? what can I say, he sounded just great, with a deep sonorous lift to >the drones, and a good depth in the bass, a true pleasure to play him ma'am, >and thank you for allowing me to meet him and to make his acquaintance. Then >between us, and out of curiosity we replaced his plastic reeds and set about >fettling the set of old cane reeds which he came with, rebridled and >rehemped them and started getting them to play, the tenors were fine and >after twenty minutes I had them both tuning with just a turn of hemp >showing, the bass drone was more troublesome as the tongue had warped very >slightly to one side and I couldn't get him to play for any length of time, >so replaced him with a new cane reed, then the full glory of this instrument >became evident, Maeve's face lit up as I got him to play, the sound was >superb, no other words for it, it lifted him into another league altogether, >the sound just soared away with us both lost in it. Maeve, you knew and >recognised the subtle but important changes that the cane reeds made to the >overall sound Angus produced, and that without any prompting from me. So to >answer our curiosity, yes! old cane can sometimes be successfully brought >back into playing order. >Ah me!!?? This is what piping is all about, one of those special moments >when all the hard work and years of struggle pay off and I now know you are >fully aware of the true capabilities and sound Angus is capable of making. >Cane is less forgiving of faults in playing and tuning than plastic but the >tone of the pipe more than compensates for this. >As an aside, and continuing tenuously with a previous thread, I know one or >two good players in Scotland who play with a cane bass reed and plastic >tenors, I believe they do this to get the dominant cane sound out of the >bass with less hassle in maintaining the tenors, in fact I have usually been >able to get the measure of the quality of a pipe new to me, by blowing a >reed, by mouth, in the bass drone, this usually quickly indicates what you >are dealing with, the rest they say is history. Any comments welcome on >these techniques and the differences between cane and plastic? This should >keep the NG busy until the new millennium!!?? :-) >Whilst discussing our interest in Piobaireachd, we got onto the way we were >each taught to play high *A* and high *G* on the piob. pipe scale. Maeve >held that the high *G* be played with only the *F* finger of the top hand on >the chanter, whereas I was taught to play the high *A* with only the *F* >finger left on the top hand of the chanter. So I set off on a search, on >returning home, to see who was right etc. what I found was very interesting >and I will share it with you, Seumas MacNeill's book "Tutor For >Piobaireachd" says nothing, as far as I can see (please correct me if I am >wrong) on the subject, so by default I must assume standard fingering >applies, in other words just the *E* finger left on the chanter's top hand >for high *A*, whilst just the thumb is left on for high *G*. I also checked >an old copy of "The Piobaireachd Tutor" by John MacFadyen & Donald Macleod, >and they too mentioned nothing that I could find about the subject. So I >decided to follow this up with a call to an old friend who is very >knowledgeable about piob. and he said we were both right, these were the old >ways of teaching these notes. it seems that the old ways are being lost, >But......... not quite!? :-) He also told me about the open *C* but I guess >everyone knows about this?? >Well I must say it was a total joy to meet both you, and Angus, Maeve. I >hope we can play a tune together again before too long. Who knows, I may >even be able to drag my family out to Florida to pay a visit and see what's >happening on the piping scene out there. >To all you guys and gals stateside, you have a national treasure in Maeve, >look after her, she is a VERY special person and I love her dearly, and >cannot wait to see her next few posts ;-) :-) :-) - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:07:58 +0100 From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Budgie Pipes I have had a set for the last 4 years, they are pretty good. Of the sets I have seen they are one of the best, rugged etc. I just wish they would break so I could get the Degar pipes, but these are another 150 UK pounds -;( - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:38:07 +0100 From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What if..... - -- Peter Anderson M.R. Rapp wrote in message news:3812874b@news.goes.com... > > You may not beleive this but you were nervous and wildly overblowing. How do > I know? You told me. You should never "squeel" a Chanter Reed even if ALL > your Drones shut down. You played well by the side of the road because you > were thinking about what you were doing. If your going to compete your going > to have to lose the butterflies. > > Yep - I remember now, I was a 'bit' nervous and over-blowing could well have been the cause. Also I have just read my post - oooh I HAD been drinking too much Scottish Wine (Laphroaig) when I wrote that -;) - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:01:57 -0400 From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Dropping out of Grade One Kenton Adler wrote: > I say it's ballocks that COW or LA Scots won Grade II simply because they > played a particular chanter. For one thing, that one judge doesn't decide > the contest. For another, to say the only reason they won is because of > the chanter is to completely ignore the practice time, the dedication, the > expense and everything else that went into getting them there in the first > place. Shepherd didn't judge the contests they won on this side of the > pond either, which proves it wasn't just a one time thing once they got > over there. > > I do think it's possible, though unfortunate, for a judge to be biased. > Maybe he gives higher marks for a sound he prefers, and it's too bad he > created the chanter producing that sound. But, that doesn't account for > a band being able to walk away with the championship on that one point. > > I'd be curious to know how mayn bands playing Shepherd chanters DIDN'T win > the Grade II championship, or anything else. I'll bet it's a much higher > number. > > For anyone interested, Bob Shepherd addressed the question directly in a Winter 1997 Voice interview conducted by Jimmy McIntosh. I haven't got it here at work to quote from, and I wouldn't want to misrepresent what he said so you'll have to find it yerself! Anyway, it bears directly on a couple of threads running here presently and is worth reading. Doug Campbell - -- Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers. - -- Mignon McLaughlin - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 1999 16:57:36 GMT From: bdunsire@aol.comNOSPAM (Bob Dunsire) Subject: (bagpipe) Tone - with no preservatives Greetings, Earlier this month I had the chance to hear some of the top amateur solo players in North America (the Nicol-Brown contest), and two things really struck me: 1) at the top of Grade 1 - the technical skills are most impressive, and the difference between players, technically, is very little. (spectacular hand/fingers/paws.mitts.. whatever you wanna call 'em) b) rubber bags, and plastic reeds have a very different sound when you compare them to cane / sheepskin. Related to b) - it seems to me that when everyone is playing the same artificial components (are cane / hide real.. humm, yes, but so is plastic.. maybe artificial is the wrong word) there is no real basis for a sound quality comparison, and if everyone is doing 'it', then everyone starts with the same sound limitations. Huh??? In other words - if everyone you hear plays plastic reeds, you could forget the (truly) different sound that comes from really well setup cane. And then, when you hear the different sound of well setup cane, you might not like it. I'm not talking about formal judging here - I am just commenting on the sound - the really surprising difference between the West Coast (from the N-B perspective) sound (cane / hide) and the rest.... I know that I was not alone in noticing the substantial differences in tone, but I was (frankly) quite surprised by the differences (this was the first time I had the chance to hear a group of excellent plastic/rubber players ). Having written that, I know I was surprised in part because nearly everyone out here (that is serious and /or good) plays sheepskin and cane, so I am used to that (rich) sound.. and hearing the plastic / rubber sound was very 'interesting' (for lack of a better word). I think Jack Lee had a great point when he asked (in his EUSPBA Voice interview): "Have you ever listened to a solo piper playing plastic reeds in a rubber bag?.....Sure the pipe may stay well in tune.. but is it enjoyable to listen to?" I've now had a chance to listen to excellent solo players, showing off their pipe setup, at a high level contest, and.. wow.. I do enjoy listening, but the difference in tone is .. well.. observable. Now, also, having written that too (eh??), I know that the greats of piping have different views and they influence pipers in their geographic areas - so I am a long way from objective on / in this.. Here (in SFU land), cane / sheepskin is the way to go, so that is my frame of reference.... I know Ontario, Atlantic Canada, EUSPBA, etc.. have different people and different views... and I know that the sound you hear, influences the sound you like.. but.. How can you not love a great set of cane drones, with a sheepskin bag? And how can you not notice the difference? (Or, is it just too much trouble to achive?) Bob D. (having too much fun with web pages, including: http://members.aol.com/bdunsire http://members.aol.com/bagpipeweb (Bagpipe Web Directory - 1000+ links) http://www.user.dccnet.com/bcpipers/index.htm (BC Pipers' Association)) - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:48:05 +0100 From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Carving plastic chanters I have never done it myself (carve a chanter that is) but I have seen Chris Apps do it with a neat home made device. It looks like a standard bradle but has been filed into a V shape and then bent something like a J shape. This enables him to cut the top part of the hole into an oval and undercut the hole. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:24:25 GMT From: "Ron Bowen" Subject: (bagpipe) Thow Story for Todd I was going to answer Todd in the original post, however I though some of you might miss the Thow Story, so I've broken it out here... Todd, this is the second "snippy" post that I've gotten from you. I am temped to unload on you, however I think that I'll stick to the high road a bit longer. What we are talking about is newer and less experienced pipers being told (and believing) that the only way to get a superior sound is to buy a "classic" bagpipe. Plain and simple, this isn't true. This thinking only serves to keep demand for these instruments and prices sky high. The other truth is that newer and less experienced pipers can't hear, understand, or produce the subtle "superiorities" that a classic pipe is capable of delivering. In this sense, a classic pipe is inappropriate for these pipers. Sour grapes? On what level? I've owned and played more classic bagpipes than you have fingers and toes, assuming that you've got them all. I take considerable care to ensured that these pipes get into the "right" hands, generally at prices significantly below full market value. I do this because I believe that it's the right thing to do. Story time. A new and inexperienced piper (my measurement, not hers) brought to me a Silver and Ivory bagpipe, obviously very old. She had traded a set of parlour pipes (value $250) for them. They had been painted with a crude acrylic and abandoned in someone's basement. I did a positive I.D. on them as being made by Thow of Dundee, from the late 1800's. I totally refinished them (deep oil, burnished the bores, refinished the exterior) and brought them back up to standard. I played them for about a month before returning them to her. I didn't like the tone particularly, however they "were what they were" and accordingly a well-know dealer in classic pipes offered her $5,000 for them. My advice to her was to sell them immediately and get something more appropriate. I lost track of the piper for about a year and then happened to bump into her at the Capital District Games. She was playing Grade 3 solo and had the Thow on her shoulder, covered in black electrical tape from top to bottom! Every part had split. I could barely speak to her. I knew what had happened. She later traded the pipes to the dealer who had originally offered her $5,000... and received a $250 credit for the them! To add further insult to injury, she traded them for a set of Ivory "Hardie Henderson's." Well, they were ivory, but they sure weren't Henderson's! Oh yeah, they split too! Todd, I have come onto the NG to share my experiences and what I have learned over the years. I am pretty much an open book. Why not tell us who you are, how long you've been playing and at what level? It would sure help to put your comments into context. Hey Mitchell. How's that for civility? Good Piping, Todd Ringo Todd wrote in message news:7v08m9$hce$1@nntp5.atl.mindspring.net... > Yes, that's exactly what the discussion was about. Your thesis was (and probably still is) basically: "Who can rightfully Appreciate a classic t" -- and therefore who should own those sets. Are you amending your point of view? If so, please explain. As it is, it sounds like 'sour grapes' to me... > Todd > > Ron Bowen wrote in message > news:87mQ3.21790$Jp4.36460@news20.bellglobal.com... > > Todd, you're right. If the Dealer was aware that there was a replacement part, he should have brought that to the attention of the buyer. If he was not aware of it, and he mistakenly misrepresented the pipes, I think that he should make the buyer happy. This could mean providing either a partial or full refund. This never was in question. > > > > I did put another "spin" on this, purposely. > > > > Last month's discussion wasn't about "who should get to purchase the 'good' sets." You're right again. That would have been "a dumb discussion in its own right." You have to learn to pay attention. You just might learn something. > > > > Cheers > > Ringo > > > > > > Todd wrote in message > > news:7us2f9$27f$1@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net... > > > What the hell are you guys talking about (young piper... not there yet... disconnect)? > > > According to the post, he was NOT INFORMED of the REPLACEMENT PIECE!!!!! > > > This was dishonest on the the part of whoever sold the pipes to him! > > > Period! The issue has NOTHING to do with last month's discussions, wherein the debate was about: who should get to purchase the 'good' sets (a dumb discussion in its own right). > > > > > > Cheers > > > Todd - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:49:58 -0400 From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: THE BIG TONE CONTEST any formats other than .wav.? for some of us a PC is only a practice chater or a piper chick. We do our computer work on Macs. I'll opt out of this one, thanks. JOHN MITCHELL wrote: > Well, the weather is getting cold again, > and we need something interesting to work on. > > Lets have all the regular posters record a sample > of what they think is the best tone. > > You can use any chanter, with any reed and > your preference of pitch. > > This is not a playing contest so we'll make it simple, > everybody just plays Scotland the Brave. Once thru > each part. We'll make it a blind sample so nobody > knows whose playing, then we'll reveal the player > and his/her setup > > You can record it with your PC and send the wav > to me and I'll set them up on a new site, > To keep the wave file size down, just keep the parts to > one time thru, in other words don't repeat them. > > So what about it? > > Whose in? > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! > ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==----- - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:56:53 -0400 From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: online survey, prelim results The results may indicate that only a small sample ( 26) cared enough about the issue to respond, among which were a hand full of the longetst-and loudest complainers. 26 is still a fairly small sample. In addition, there are some on this NG who do not choose to participate in competitions, for whatever reason, so would not be likely to respond to this particular survey. I susopect that's a relatively small minority . Bentley Wall wrote: > There has been a very good response so far on the survey so I thought I > would > post the preliminary results in order to keep the spark alive until the > end of the > week, when I said I would close it off. > > 26 people have responded so far: > > First question is whether or not scoresheets should be written as to be > useful > to competitors: 25 yes, 1 no > > Second question is whether or not judges should have nonoverlapping > territories to adjudicate: 15 yes, 11 no > > Third question is whether or not a weighting system should be designed > to allow for more consistent assessment: 18 yes, 7 no > > Last question is whether or not things should be left the way they are: > 8 yes, 17 no > > So far I find this most interesting for several reasons. > First of all, I got the impression from the discussion of the original > thread > that most people were against change, at least the ones writing in. > Apparently > there is a lot more feeling that things should evolve by the silent > masses. This is one > important aspect of a blind survey. You get to know what everyone > thinks > not just the vocal people. Secondly, there is much support for SOME > sort of > weighting system, and at least a fair number of people thinking that > judging > territories might work. I was surprised by this. The discussions we > have already > had seemed to indicate that it was too big a problem to address. I > think if we > discover that enough people feel this is something that ought to be > done, we > might try to address it here and see what sorts out. I will hold the > survey open > until the end of the week then I will post the final results. > > Keep the votes coming in. Remember this is a blind survey. I have no > idea who > has sent in what votes. All I get when you complete the survey are four > answers to four questions. Nothing personal about the sender shows up. > I WOULD like > to know who sent in the one and only vote thinking that scoresheets > should NOT > be useful to competitors, and John Wilson (Ontario) is dead so who would > THAT be... > > Once we have this completed, we can think about addressing what type of > territories or what type of weighting system we should design if the > votes remain in favor of > those two things. Start thinking up ideas now. After we think up some > good scenarios, we can take a vote as to the best ideas and then pursue > those. This is > great! > > Bentley Wall - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:00:31 -0400 From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: UP and GHP players Yes, and players of other pipes as well, but GHB players definitely predominate( hmmm, maybe just dominate?) the group. Darryl Pilgrim wrote: > Who all here reading this newsgroup play both UP's and highland pipes?? And > some one once metioned a UP newsgroup, anybody have that address and or other > good web reading for the currious. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 14:33:40 -0400 From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Yukon, Oklahoma Piping Competition On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:47:15 GMT, "Tim Sullivan" wrote: > I drove up to see the professionals have a go at it today. Six >competitors, all WELL worth listening too. Three that deserve special >mention: > >1) Allastair Ghillies ... >2) Anne Gray ... > >3) Chris Hamilton. Name sound familiar? It ought to - he's on this group >everyday. Chris played through his stuff quite well. Not realizing who he >was until his name was announced I went over to introduce myself. Couldn't >talk much though, as he was so involved in berating himself that he had not >much interest in other stuff. I did hear mention, though of 'Canmore >Meltdown'. Still not sure if that was his perceived problem, his intention >for post-competition entertainment, or the name of a new tune. Maybe all >three. CHRIS - publicly and before the group - YOU WEREN'T BAD. Now stop >picking on yourself. Leave that to the pros. John, Royce, . . . . . your >party is waiting. Hi Tim, it was nice to meet you. Thanks for the kind words. My problem was not a failure of my Canmore per se, but rather several factors interacting. The problems I experienced in the MSR were threefold: 1. EXTREME bag slippage. I had just put on a Canmore bag last week, and a new bag cover. The bag was Medium, larger than my old one, and the new cover had no anti-slip mechanism. I decided to play in my new vest, and this all proved to be a lethal combination ... by the end of my first march I was squeezing with my wrist, and I still had another march and two strathspeys and reels to go !!!! Needless to say blowing went all to hell. So I played with my jacket on for the subsequent competitions and no problems were encountered. 2. I had my pipe setup for *extreme* moisture control - the Canmore with a corrugated tube watertrap. On Friday afternoon in Tulsa things were a bit dry but quite nice - I adjusted a little tape. Saturday morning in Yukon was a rude shock - extremely dry and my top hand went sky high. I was hoping it would come down as I played some moisture into it, but it didn't. For the subsequent contests I raised and opened the reed. Should have made the adjustment straightaway. 3. I had some trouble with very cold hands and jittery nerves! I just could not get my hands warm during tune-up and it was even colder in The Pit. Other players didn't seem to have as much problem, but I sure did. My H&J was much much better, and the piobaireachd I felt went very well on Sunday. All in all, it was a great contest, some superb playing and much fun socializing. My commendations to Tom Campbell for getting the whole thing together. Ann Gray's playing through the Armageddon Siren was quite a feat. I was tuning up in a field nearby and had to stop because it was so distracting, but Ann kept gamely right on going. > Now that I've put you through all that, any body have the standings from >today? I can't go back tomorrow (three and a half hours each way). I'd >really like some info on today's results and tomorrows as well. The piobaireachd was won by Alasdair Gillies. 2nd and 3rd went to Iain Whitelaw and Matt Turnbull, though I'm not sure of the order. Alasdair Gillies won the overall professional contest. The amateur overall winner was Bill Weir from NY. Great time! P.S., I finally got to meet "madman" and Mark Lee, and a fine bunch they were. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. 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