From: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com (bagpipe-digest) To: bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: bagpipe-digest V1 #170 Reply-To: bagpipe-digest Sender: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk bagpipe-digest Sunday, October 31 1999 Volume 01 : Number 170 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:46:00 -0500 From: Todd Bircher Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Pipe Banner Mike, Could you send me the name, address, and possibly the phone number of who you're getting to make your pipe banner. We've got some banner companies here in town (Austin, Texas) but they have no experience in making pipe banner (since they don't know what a pipe banner is) and I'd rather pay a little extra for something made well. Thankyou, Todd Bircher tntbirch@worldnet.att.net Mike Le Boeuf wrote: > I am getting a pipe banner made and it will be a similar banner that was > used by the Irish Rangers. Does anyone know what material is usually > used for the banner? I am getting the silver part made of Silver > Bullion wire. > I didnt know if it was Silk, blazer, or just wool. > Thanks, > Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [Image] - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:54:31 GMT From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scottish music In article , toneczar@erols.com wrote: > > Hmm, I wonder if my rendtion of "Jimmy's Gift" was discussed ... > > No funny notes, but some unusual (for trad pipe music) rhythms for the > idiom. > Well, we were having dinner on Friday and there was some conjecture about what might be heard on Saturday and Sunday. However, it was before any of the contestants had played. I'm sure there would have been no disparaging words after the events at any rate. The idea was really whether or not something might be lost and if what may replace it was something which would last. One of the gentlemen suggested that the MSR might be relegated to a small role, much like Ceol Mor is -- competitions making up the common venue, but not performed regularly for entertainment purposes. It wasn't really centered on the music being "bad" per se, although it wasn't looked upon favorably by all present. Again, I felt very fortunate to have had the opportunity to accept their gracious invitation to join them. Wonderful conversation with gracious and knowledgable pipers. [Oh Chris, I could have recommended after dinner that it might be best for contestants to try to avoid tunes which bounced a lot from Hi A to Low A. :-) ] All the best, Jim - -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:03:09 GMT From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: THE BIG TONE CONTEST On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:19:01 -0800, Michael New & Diane Rossmiller wrote: >Tell us how they'd do it on "The Donny and Marie Show" Royce (what, you think I >FORGOT about that?) They'd probably lay it down on a 32 track Otari 2" at 30 ips via a very expensive large-diaphragm condenser, usually a Neuman of some sort, and then fill the other 32 track so full of saxophones, cheesey guitars and Osmond chorus that you couldn't tell there were pipes there anyway. Royce - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 1999 16:38:08 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Photocopying sheet music vs Buying it >I think it's a little rich if you expect every pipe >major of every band to order 12 copies of a music book for the band pipers. >I would hate to >think you could get away with infringement of copyright if you just >rearranged a few gracenotes. > Royce will tell you that you violate the copyright if you play the tune within the hearing of ANY person or if you make the tiniest alteration, but he is certainly mistaken in this. In my opinion, you probably do violate the copyright if you run photocopies to distribute for public performance. The copyright holder has the right to expect that he be compensated for each and every copy of his tune. OTOH, since the purpose of copyright is to protect the commercial exploitation of the music, I don't think you will have any trouble, so long as you don't sell your photocopies or sell your recording or charge admission for your performances. In fact, when we hear a tune performed by a band or on a recording, we sometimes seek out the book or recording and buy it on our on, so I would expect composers and publishers don't really get upset when they hear their music performed in public. We must balance our desire to encourage composers and publishers to continue to make music available by compensating them for their efforts, with our desire to disseminate music and encourage musical performances - and this is very tough to do. I think that as long as we use good common sense and don't try to rip-off the other person. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 11:27:51 -0400 (EDT) From: RIpiper@webtv.net Subject: (bagpipe) I finally did it... I pick up my first set of pipes tomorrow!!! I cant wait... Also Im changing to Prodigy...Does anyone know how to get the news group on prodigy...I cant get it set up...Please email me at Dtvsteve@prodigy.net So I will get the message...Any help would be great... thanks steve - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:07:53 GMT From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Twin Cities Metropolitan Pipe Bnad On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:54:42 -0400, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: >That's Mr. Mitchell to you! What gives anyone the right to >use my name for the rumour mill? I've heard stories told >about me from people that didn't know me. Pot calling kettle black. > >From these same people, I've found out that I've played >naked on more planes, trains, and hotels and places >than you can't take your Mother. They even went on >to tell me that they spent a night in jail with John Mitchell. Then it's good you have people keeping you up on your activities while you're blotto. > >I find some stories had a bit of truth to them, but as the >rumor circulates, it grows with peoples imaginations. Hmm, a Mr. Mitchell specific truth, not to be applied to others when Mr. Mitchell is the one with the growing imagination, or perpetuating the others' growing imaginations. > >You know, I had an unpaid parking ticket and spent >the night in the cell. That's how you *remember* it. >Well the next week I heard >John Mitchell was doing time in prison for hauling >off, on the cop that pulled him over because he >was pissed off about getting a 30 dollar parking ticket. Oh. I thought you'd shot him. You're right. I really does get exaggerated. > >The rumour is true, the facts were misguided your honour! > >That's my story and I'm sticking to it! > >Mr John Mitchell >(The Defendent) It's a fair cop, but society's to blame. Case dismissed. Royce - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 1999 18:09:37 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: piping and strokes >Sorry, I wasn't very clear here. Target zone is considered to be 70 to 85% of >your maximum heart rate, and to exercise in this zone for 20 to 30 minutes. > Yes and it seems breaks and half times would spoil the effect of a meaningful workout. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 1999 10:46:53 GMT From: jsloanpr@aol.com (JSLOANPR) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Payne Stewart >A great piping send off to the next life for a class guy. Until then Payne. >Cheers >Don Steve Agan was shown this morniing in the Jacksonville Fla Times Union in an almost 1/2 page picture in the sports section piping out Mr Stewart. Impressive. Jim On the crass, insensitive, comercial side, requests for pipers at funerals will skyrocket. Jim - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:50:04 GMT From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scottish music On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:13:38 GMT, Rick James wrote: >In article <7vccn2$r3o$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > aberdeen wrote: > >> "Will 'Scottish' music be lost as a result?" No, because the music you are complaining about, the techniques you are concerned about, were Scottish long before the British Army redifined what you now call the "Scottish" tradition. >Lost? No, probably not. But there may be a new kind of music played on >the bagpipes. There are certainly distinctive mutations coming out of the band environment, but the most spectacular "deviations" or "new" styles are not new at all, and probably not even new to the GHB. They're more Highland than the Highland pipe band. >In our band, right or wrong, we refer to "Scottish" Hornpipes and >"Scottish" Reels as those in that genre that are pointed. When the >same tunes are played round, we call them all, collectively, "Canadian" >Hornpipes, because from our perspective, that's the part of the world >they seemed to come from. (And a rounded reel just isn't a reel.) Yes, the "Canadian" pipe band did seem to pervert the HP/Reel in to the boxy, march-format now so popular in pipe bands, and this is fairly new. > >As for the new playing techniques, particularly note slides, some of us >like them, some don't. But we have a hot shot young piper that plays >them all the time, and I must say he does it well. But it isn't >traditional Scottish. What is it? I don't know. But it keeps the >kids interested in the instrument, and they play the traditional stuff, >too. So I guess it can't be all bad. Scottish is a national designation at this point, and Scotland has dozens of "Scottish" styles. There is no "Scottish" style or "Scottish" tradition in the historical sense, only in the institutionalization of one school or collection of quasi-folk tune by lowland/English "authorities." Royce - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:08:12 -0400 From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scottish music On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:58:44 GMT, aberdeen wrote: > While in Yukon, Oklahoma for the competition, I was fortunate enough to >have dinner Friday with Donald MacPherson, Mike Cusack, Jimmy McIntosh >and Jim Lindsay along with Donald and Jim wives. > >One topic of conversation was the new music being written and performed >today. Admittedly, much of it is NOT in the Scottish idiom - there seem >to be a number of hornpipes, jigs, horn/reels, and other music which >doesn't seem to fit well into any category. Along with techniques such >as "bending notes", flatted Cs, much of the music is just not >traditional. Hmm, I wonder if my rendtion of "Jimmy's Gift" was discussed ... No funny notes, but some unusual (for trad pipe music) rhythms for the idiom. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:38:02 -0700 From: Don Robertson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Payne Stewart A great piping send off to the next life for a class guy. Until then Payne. Cheers Don - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 1999 18:09:14 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: piping and strokes >Sorry, I wasn't very clear here. Target zone is considered to be 70 to 85% of >your maximum heart rate, and to exercise in this zone for 20 to 30 minutes. > >Duane > Your target rate is from 60% (low) to 80% (high) of 220 minus your age. If you are 20 years old, your training rate would be from 120 to 160. More accurately, its 220 minus your age minus your resting pulse, times .6 to .8, plus your resting pulse. This takes into account that the more fit you are the higher your training rate is. (My resting pulse, at age 50, is 50 bpm. This is GREAT!!!!!) - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:59:46 GMT From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: THE BIG TONE CONTEST On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:52:51 GMT, Bill Carr wrote: >Bill Carr (stepping down from his soapbox) So Bill, are you going to go down by the train station in Olso and get us a good sample of that busking old Norskie as well then? I think we're all too focused on high quality tone, and not enough on totally amusing tone. Royce - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:23:18 GMT From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for: Shepherd/Sinclair/Naill chanter On Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:16:56 -0400, Shawn Husk wrote: >I'm interested in a Shepherd, Sinclair, or Naill blackwood >chanter if anyone's selling let me know. > >Shawn Husk > Yeah, Mark Lee has a Naill blackwood chanter with an ivory sole he's willing to let go cheap. Royce - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:58:44 GMT From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Scottish music While in Yukon, Oklahoma for the competition, I was fortunate enough to have dinner Friday with Donald MacPherson, Mike Cusack, Jimmy McIntosh and Jim Lindsay along with Donald and Jim wives. One topic of conversation was the new music being written and performed today. Admittedly, much of it is NOT in the Scottish idiom - there seem to be a number of hornpipes, jigs, horn/reels, and other music which doesn't seem to fit well into any category. Along with techniques such as "bending notes", flatted Cs, much of the music is just not traditional. Questions which arose were: "Is this good or bad?" "Where will it lead?" "Will the current music stand the 'test of time'?" "Will 'Scottish' music be lost as a result?" We all had thoughts on the subject, some pretty strong, but I'd like to hear from others on the newsgroup as to what you think. All the best, Jim - -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 1999 17:50:35 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Photocopying sheet music vs Buying it >Let's do this again. >COPYRIGHT - applies to copying any or all of a book or musical score for >PUBLICATION, not for individual use. If you photocopy parts of a play, or a >poem, or a book of any kind for personal or educational use, where No money >is involved, there is no infringement of copyright. You could not be more mistaken, at least in the United States. Read sections 106 and 107 of Title 17 (Copyright). You can find it here: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ The point is this. The composer has a right to royalties on the SALE of his work, and if you copy it and give it away, you are infringing on his copyright. Imagine how Tom Clancy would feel if I liked his work so much that I copied it and gave it away on the street corner. I'm sure he would appreciate the fact that I liked what he wrote, but he would also resent the fact that every copy I gave away would mean one less sale. I agree with you, though, that >it's never been enforced with regard to pipe music. > Fair use includes the study of a portiion of the work, not use of the work for its intended purpose, which in this case is the playing of music in a pbulic performance. The key is the question of whether the use potentially interferes with the composer's right to commercial exploitation of the work. In the case where the work is copied and handed out to potential buyers, we don't doubt that it is interference with commercial exploitation. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 1999 12:12:10 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What is the Best Bagpipe Maker? >no, HoHos are for dessert; Hos are for after dessert; I don't know about that... I've had some tasty Ho's for dessert Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:17:48 GMT From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Scraping Gilmour reeds To all Gilmour Chanter Reed Players If you ever need to ease up a Gilmour reed then here is what you can do. Start about 4mm up from the hemp line and scrape evenly down the blade but stop about 3 mm from the lips. Stay away from the edges of the blade by about 1 mm. Treat both blades the same way. The trick is not to scrape off too much at one time. What you scrape off should look like talcum powder. If the scrapings are not this fine then you are scraping too much. The idea is to do a very light scraping, then play for a day or so, and repeat if necessary, play again for a day or so etc. etc. until the right strength is achieved. I'll put this up on the Gilmour Web Page in a while too. http://business.fortunecity.com/newhouse/855/gilmour.html Cheers All Bill Carr - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:25:55 +0100 From: "lsrapm" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! ===================== "SETTING THE TONE" ===================== Three entries so far and three more promised. Anyone else who wants to take part, just record 30 seconds of a SIMPLE tune and attach it to an email to me. It doesn't matter if you are not able to compress it. I can do that at this end. I was a bit bothered about the download time, but it's not working out too bad, actually. I had a 800Kb WAV file sent in yesterday and it took less than 15 minutes to download. I can cope with that OK. For anyone who has not yet read the details of this interesting event, read all about it at http://www.ceyre.freeserve.co.uk/tone/setup.html Feel free to email me if you have any queries about it. Chris Eyre - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:43:13 GMT From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help with mic set up? On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 12:31:24 GMT, Bill Carr wrote: >I trying to get a decent recording to enter the Tone Contest but the mic >on my computer is one of those headset types. You know the ones that sit >about an inch away from your mouth? > >I can't get it to work very well when recording the pipes. Does anyone >know what I can do to be able to get a decent recording with this type >of microphone? > >Other wise I'll have to pass on the contest as a new mic would cost too >much. I'm having the same sort of problem, at least I think I am, and it's not because my mic is cheap. It's because it's sensitive, and the GHB is insensitive and brutish. The best thing to do is try limiting the sound pressure hitting the mike directly. In short, back off. If that's not enough play sideways. Don't shoot the chanter right into the mike. Put it up high. Avoid hard walls. (easy to say) Find a big big room. Make the recording with a portable cassette and transfer to eht computer. Try putting foam or cloth over the mike. This may knock of some high end, but that's probably where the distortion is coming from anyway, because the closed environment makes the chanter high-end saturated. Royce - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 1999 19:37:06 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Silver Medal Tunes for 2000? I'm going to a workshop in Nov where this subject is covered. I think I've seen the set tunes but I forget where. Can anybody poiint me in the right direction? Thanks, Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:41:53 -0400 From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scottish music On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:54:31 GMT, aberdeen wrote: >[Oh Chris, I could have recommended after dinner that it might be best >for contestants to try to avoid tunes which bounced a lot from Hi A to >Low A. :-) ] Good thing I didn't play "Edwyn's Didji Place" and "Honey In the Bag" - -- those were my other selections. Lots of bouncy-bouncy hand changes, which is one of my strengths, while birls obviously are not. I also heard the judges did not like my setting of "Lord Alexander Kennedy". It's right out of the RSPBA Book 2. The only folks I've heard play it that way are Shotts ca. 1964 and Boghall mid-1980s. Everyone else seems to go for the Ross / SG setting. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:02:51 +0100 From: "lsrapm" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: THE BIG TONE CONTEST Excellent post, Bill. This is exactly the right attitude. Anyone who has the honesty to enter a tune for this fun occasion will certainly be admired by me, and deserves everyone's respect. Keep it light-hearted. Chris Eyre Bill Carr wrote in message news:3817F631.7BCE0252@of.telia.no... > Listen up everybody! > > Lets not start to ridicule, belittle or humiliate anyone thinking of entering > this "Tone Contest". > > I mean... all this "Can't wait to hear so and so's entry, ha ha ha ha " type > of comments. > > That attitude sucks and simply reveals the posters own insecurities. > > > Bill Carr (stepping down from his soapbox) > > > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:43:51 +0100 From: "lsrapm" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piob Soc Books: Buy or swap? Zudupiper wrote in message news:19991028174854.26212.00002051@ng-bj1.aol.com... > Is anybody looking to sell some (or all) of the PS books? > > I'd swap a T-shirt for each PS book if anybody's up for that and the size is > right... > > Can't decide whether to get a Ross Elex Bagpipe or a set of the PS books for > Xmas.... > > Zu I have a spare copy of Book 6. What have you got in XL? Chris Eyre - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:06:51 GMT From: Bill Carr Subject: (bagpipe) Re: THE BIG TONE CONTEST Royce Lerwick wrote: > On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 07:52:51 GMT, Bill Carr > wrote: > > >Bill Carr (stepping down from his soapbox) > > So Bill, are you going to go down by the train station in Olso and get > us a good sample of that busking old Norskie as well then? I think > we're all too focused on high quality tone, and not enough on totally > amusing tone. > > Royce That's not amusing tone Royce. Bill - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:25:33 -0400 From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scottish music On Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:47:59 GMT, Rick James wrote: Wouldn't it >be a shame if they were all skating exactly like Peggy Fleming? Mmmm, Katarina Witt ... drool ... 8-p Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 18:28:02 -0400 From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scottish music Rick James wrote: > In article <7vccn2$r3o$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > aberdeen wrote: > > > "Will 'Scottish' music be lost as a result?" > > > > Lost? No, probably not. But there may be a new kind of music played on > the bagpipes. <<>> > As for the new playing techniques, particularly note slides, some of us > like them, some don't. But we have a hot shot young piper that plays > them all the time, and I must say he does it well. But it isn't > traditional Scottish. What is it? I don't know. But it keeps the > kids interested in the instrument, and they play the traditional stuff, > too. So I guess it can't be all bad. Those tricks have been around for ages . . .nothing new about them. As to the larger question about "traditional" Scottish music being watered down, I think this is inevitable, and neither good nor bad, just the natural course of things. I'm not Scottish, although I can be taught to play in a traditional Scottish style. But if I compose a tune, it will inevitably have informing it my own experiences and musical conditioning, even my language and speech patterns. And that's natural - I mean, if I sing a Scottish folk song, do I have to do it with a phony Scottish accent? Would that not be - cheesy? So this begs the question, do I have to play my reels with a Scottish accent? I dunno - you tell me. I"m sure my teacher will if he reads this! But arts evolve and migrate, pick up and cast off influences. You can't stop time and say "this is the real music now - nobody move!", unless you want to become an historic preservation society. That being said, I do also think it's important for pipers to have a real understanding of the music's roots and traditions. To make an analogy, Picasso could only invent cubism out of a deep understanding and command of the language of traditional Western art. People, including critics and other painters, at the time thought that he was a barbarian or a sham. Now he is generally recognized as a whatever and we can see how his work fits into the continuum of the Western blah blah blah. Class dismissed. But you get my point, which was...uh..was... New music is only bad if it's bad. Doug C. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 1999 17:37:54 -0500 From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scottish music Rick James wrote in article <7vch3e$uiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > In article <7vccn2$r3o$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > aberdeen wrote: >> Will 'Scottish' music be lost as a result?" Indeed, Scottish music will be found as a result. Over the past year, countless posts have addressed this issue, and most pipers, even "competition" types, are aware of the valuable and credible research undertaken in the past ten years examining pre-military piping tradition in Scotland, including pibroch. The military/competition tradition, as Royce has pointed out many times, is one of but many traditions. >And a rounded reel just isn't a reel This statement is astonishing, and points out, as perhaps no other statemen made in the past year on this topic has, the entrenchment of opinion in the competition scene regarding the "new" music. I enjoy very much listening to the competition reel played as such. However, the "rounded" reel was used for dancing 200 years ago and beyond, and our best evidence of this rests in the dance (step/ceili, not SCD) traditions preserved in the Isles ("gaelic" piping) and in Cape Breton. Ask an experienced ceili-style dancer, schooled in the ancient tradition, to dance to a "competition" reel, and they would literally be unable to do so. We must distinguish the truly "new" music from the recently re-discovered "old" styles. All for now - its been a long day, I'm tired, and don't have the time or energy to recreate the many posts on this over the past year or so. Cheers. Matt - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 1999 17:48:56 -0500 From: "Matt Buckley" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scottish music aberdeen wrote in article <7vcqh8$61e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > Wonderful conversation with gracious and knowledgable > pipers. > All the best, > Jim No doubt they are knowledgable - in their world. Hopefully, you will be fortunate enough one day to converse with Allan MacDonald, Barry Shears, Anna Murray and the many others researching, rediscovering and redefining the ancient music of Scotland and Cape Breton. What you would hear and learn would astound you. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 1999 00:25:40 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Plastic Warmac vs Kron AB chanter It's not really a contest. No contest at all in fact...but I wondered something. Did/does the pitch of Warmacs used to be higher than it is today? The Warmac's probably from 1995 or '96. Since I'm not a band guy, I only use this chanter in cold weather or bad weather. So it goes months without being played. At the moment I'm getting my plastic pipes in shape for a couple of late-season gigs. So the Warmac's all reeded up with an old Apps, and all the notes are in tune but I'm using yards of tape. In particular, hiG is half covered with tape. The only notes not taped are loA and hiA. In some cases we're talking significant tape. The tone's...okay. But damn, it's sterile. Especially the drone sound. Smooth, really smooth, but quiet and very few harmonics. These pipes are equivalently set-up to be the same strength as my Krons. But they're boring to play. Madman, you've spoiled me for plastic pipes for the rest of my life. Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 23:39:09 GMT From: alex_young@my-deja.com Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scottish music In article <7vccn2$r3o$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, aberdeen wrote: > While in Yukon, Oklahoma for the competition, I was fortunate enough to > have dinner Friday with Donald MacPherson, Mike Cusack, Jimmy McIntosh > and Jim Lindsay along with Donald and Jim wives. Obviously some of the most well respected players of their generation. But if you are using this conversation as the sole basis for your judgement, I think you're making a mistake. They represent the most conservative end of the piping spectrum, and all of them have been heavily influenced, as Royce noted, by the British army tradition. Scottish traditional music is not defined by the piping traditional alone, and especially not by the piping traditions of the British army alone. And to reiterate what Royce said once again, the title "Scottish Traditional Music" encompasses a variety of different musical styles. > One topic of conversation was the new music being written and performed > today. Admittedly, much of it is NOT in the Scottish idiom - there seem > to be a number of hornpipes, jigs, horn/reels, and other music which > doesn't seem to fit well into any category. Along with techniques such > as "bending notes", flatted Cs, much of the music is just not > traditional. Scottish fiddlers bend notes. The flat C simply allows you to play tunes in A minor. There are lots of gaelic tunes in A minor that simply haven't been played on the pipes prior to this time, now they are being played. The category of "horn/reel" (the round hornpipe is what we're talking about, I assume) is simply a reel with 8 bars to the measure instead of 4. They've been playing them in Ireland and in the highlands and islands for years. Calling them hornpipes is rather silly I supose. And further more, who is to say what is and what is not "of the Scottish idiom?" Was Joyce criticized for not being "Of the Irish Literary idiom?" Any vibrant cultural tradition will of course have reactionary elements and innovative elements. The synthesis of the two is what is carried on to future generations. Sure, there are some wacky tunes being written today. But there are some really good ones as well. All the great pipe music composers of this century were at one time considered "radicals." But now tuens written by composers like Peter MacLeod, for example, have been accepted into the mainstream of the tradition. Thats all I have time for now, cheers, Alex Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ End of bagpipe-digest V1 #170 ***************************** - To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.