From: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com (bagpipe-digest) To: bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: bagpipe-digest V1 #178 Reply-To: bagpipe-digest Sender: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk bagpipe-digest Wednesday, November 3 1999 Volume 01 : Number 178 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:22:49 -0800 From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLeòid)" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re Gaelic Interpretation Needed Alasdair Macleod wrote in message news:RI2OUBAOc2H4EwDK@ali-b.demon.co.uk... > In article <19991102141946.04144.00001008@ng-fh1.aol.com>, > CONNOR2345 writes > >i have found cuach in a dictionary,it means cuckoo or ringlet. the h in your > >word might be because cuach is lenited after mo making chuach[this is a maybe > >as i'm not up to snuff on my grammer]the dictionary has 2 endings fo r > >plurals,aiche or an[depending on usage]. so maybe the word used is cuachan > >meaning rinlets or cuckoos. > > -- > making extensive use of my Gaelic dictionary in the absence of any postings > from native speakers > > cuachag- diminutive of cuach (cuckoo), poetical, for a neat melodious-voiced > young girl. Ah, it *is* an idiom then. I didn't think someone would call another literally a "cuckoo" - I went for the alternative definition. > Lagach- fine, decent kind Also "pretty" > > So something like " You are my fine melodious-voiced young girl"?? I would go with "You are my pretty little songbird" Interpretation, not translation, of course. - -- - ---------------------- Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc. Clann MhicLeòid Leódhais - "I Birn Quhil I Se" http://www.macleodpacific.org - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:16:50 GMT From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah On 02 Nov 1999 07:22:18 GMT, sirj1314@aol.com (SirJ1314) wrote: >Why do you guys make piping in Utah such a big joke? Despite what some of you >may think, we do have some good instuction out here. By the way, if anyone >wants to know more about the Masters Invatational, I know all about it. The >players will get about 15 minutes to play whatever they want, and it must be >creative. They will be judged on several aspects. 3 judges will only make up >30% of the voting, the other 70% will be left to the audience. Hey, now that you mention it, those are almost exactly the rules I posted to the NG or listserve about 4 years ago, and maybe a time or two since! Now all they need is to expand it to a Celtic Small Ensemble contest with a small group of pipers/drummer/and anything else you want in there. Royce Way to go out there in Zion. Somebody finally got off their duff and put it together. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:22:30 -0400 From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Travel Channel-PEI Rob Larson wrote in message <7vlvia$b5p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > Did anybody see the travel show, The Tourist, on the Travel Channel >last week? The host was at PEI and visited the College and got a >chanter lesson from Bruce Gandy and had a blow on the pipes...etc......etc On this same vein, I was into the CBC, On The Road Again web site and one of their upcoming shows this season will feature a "traditional Cape Breton piper" playing and talking about the music his forefathers(forepersons ?) brought over from the islands....no date given..............something to watch for........... David - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 02 Nov 1999 20:49:57 GMT From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Halloween >Ahhhh...pumpkin smashing!! Almost a lost art in some places Not to mention pushing over outhouses - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:33:16 -0400 From: "dnimmo" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: " Love and Light " and competition David Page wrote in message <1lqT3.46709$7I4.870652@news5.giganews.com>... >Yeah, note to myself, never hire Scotsman to do an American's job. While we >don't necessarily excel at piping we are pretty good at espionage. I should >have made off with Angus myself when I had him in my mits. > Hmmmmm......well..... not as well "advertised", but the highlanders were almost as good cattle stealers as the border Scots............(remember the Rob Roy movie) I doubt that you Yanks could hold a candle to a 'traditional Scottish cattle thief'............the big thing being motivation.............you Yanks are too well fed !..........a big steak, in Scotland, is about 6 ounces........... (this is going to stir up Chris & his buddies) so........as long as Maeve calls him(them) "Angus", she is going to tweak the interest of all good Scots.................. Maeve ! Is Angus from Aberdeen ? David - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 00:26:30 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Halloween > And cow-tipping .. my favorite sport! We set out to do something different as wee basturds. We set out to foil the handywork of the local neighborhood pumpkin thieves by devising booby traps (we were in friendly competition with the kids on the next street to see how many of each others pumpkins we could smash/steal.) to prevent theft of our pumpkins, thereby freeing us to prowl their street in search of their pumpkins. My buddys was the most effective, he stuck lots of needles through his pumpkin from the inside to the outside, so the needle points faced out. We left his porch lights off and waited, within an hour we heard a scream, and found his pumpkin unmoved, but several needles had been, and a few spots of blood told the tale. This was repeated the next evening by someone else (or a REALLY dumb kid trying it twice), and after that, he had the safest pumpkin in town. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 01:25:25 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Blatant Commercial Endorsement >Who ?....where ? ........Aus....UK......US ? david Peter Crisler / PETER'S PIPES http://home.att.net/~peter.crisler Louisville Pipe Band http://users.aol.com/louavullpb/2.htm - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 01:49:39 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Utah >Even if you look at a big fat hairy ass just right . . . . It has a center >too! Are you speaking from deep personal study of the subject? ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 02:41:40 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. > the situation > regarding judging is sadly very negative. So you say. But for "proof" you offer the "fact" that one judge gave a competitor a first place finish and the other judge gave the competitor a last place finish. Then you tell us about the Irish band. Well, Sam, this is great for conversation, but is irrelevant as to judging. Judges can be (1) incompetant, (2) dishonest, (3) biased, or (4) injudicious. You started out saying that you had evidence that some or all of these conditions existed, but when pressed, you offered only matters of opinion, in an area where only opinion counts (i.e., The work product of a judge is merely his opinion as to the rank of the competitors, rather than some sort of objective measurement.) Bentley Wall has given serious thought to means of making judging more objective. I think that this effort must fail, because our art (such as it is) is inherently impossible to measure objectively. On the other hand, for judging to mean anything at all, we must articulate objective criteria (out of tune, mushy strike-ins, missed embellishments, etc.) so we can have some idea as to what the judges are really judging. In my opinion (and I stand ready to be corrected) you seem to be just belly-aching about who is winning and who is losing. If you have some concrete evidence of incompetence or dishonesty among judges, tell us. Otherwise, you are contributing nothing to this discussion. My point as to transparance was this: If a particular judge consistantly gives scores out of the range of the other judges, and this fact is given the publicity it deserves, the judge will find himself judging fewer and fewer contests, so that to some extent the situation is self correcting. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 18:14:20 -0900 From: Michael New & Diane Rossmiller Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! Robert Barker wrote: > I am looking forward to hearing examples of what people think is good sound > and what isn't and why. This could provide a great learning tool for me to > help improve my overall tone so the assumption that anyone entering is going > to have a properly balanced set of pipes is not a wise one (at least in my > case!). > I agree with Bob. I think the potential for this excercise as a learning tool has been underestimated. I'd like to see comments/suggestions on each sound file, and a chance for the contributor to re-submit a new and improved version. Cheers, Michael - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:28:31 -0800 From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLeòid)" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Help re Gaelic Interpretation Needed Okay, for "Surrey Pipe Band", there really isn't anyway I'd trust myself to put it together. And there really isn't an equivalent for "Surrey" but.... cómhlan (c/omhlan if you don't see the accent) ...is a group or band piob ...is "pipe" as in "bagpipe" (pioban is the plural) "cómhlan pioban Surrey" perhaps? I'm just guessing at the construction here. Sorry I'm not more help - this just doesn't come up in conversation very often. :/ Gabh mo leisgul. :( (Sorry) - -- - ---------------------- Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc. Clann MhicLeòid Leódhais - "I Birn Quhil I Se" http://www.macleodpacific.org - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 03:40:41 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES >Piob. Soc. books off tomorrow. Shirts were done today...I'll be mailing them off tomorrow, along with a check. Let me know which shirt the Mrs likes better....; ) Dave - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 03:54:14 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The experiment! >I don't necessarily agree here, Zu. I entered a sound file with only two >years of piping experience. I didn't see anything about suggested minimum >qualifications or experience and I thought that the purpose was to get to >hear sound bytes from a wide variety of people and set ups That's not what I'm saying...No, there's no minimum qualification/ experience at all. What I'm saying is that you ought to be able to blow tone on a well-set-up pipe for the duration of the sample. Otherwise, you're not providing enough information for anybody to make a "tone" judgment. That's the point of the whole experiment. I listened to the file I made, and it sounds like...a bagpipe recording. Not untuned, not unbalanced. Everybody's sample file is going to sound a lot like it. I have cheesy recording capability anyway, and that's pretty much what comes across on the tape. Nothing glaringly wrong, but also hard to tell what's RIGHT as far as depth or color of tone. >the assumption that anyone entering is going >to have a properly balanced set of pipes is not a wise one (at least in my >case!). And even if you do, I don't know how well it's going to come across due to the vagaries of different recording equipment. Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:07:21 -0800 From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. > My point as to transparance was this: If a particular judge consistantly gives > scores out of the range of the other judges, and this fact is given the > publicity it deserves, the judge will find himself judging fewer and fewer > contests, so that to some extent the situation is self correcting. > If, however, that particular individual favours those who use the products he manufactures or sells, then there is a viable conflict of interest. That is the crux of the Shepherd matter, and unfortunately there are several others in his 'camp' who can be grouped with him. As long as the fiduciary problem remains, and the monetary influence is there, these people will SILL be carrying the clipboards. IS - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 04:01:53 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipers in the Rev. War & the War of 1812 >I already know about >the Black Watch at Ticonderoga. I think the BW was also at New Orleans in 1812, at least according to "Buccaneer". The UK didn't award battle honors during the Rev War(because they lost), so looking it up gets a little harder. Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 04:17:21 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Shirts! Picked them up today from the screen printer, and will be mailing them off tomorrow. The "Pants" shirts look particularly snappy (just the right shade of blue and green ink on the offwhite shirt). The others ("Louder", Piob, and E/S/P) are all on grey shirts and in ink colors I've used before...tried and true classic colors. Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:20:42 -0800 From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Saffron Kilts Annual Pipers Ball will there be complementary ambulance rides home after? IS - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:34:19 -0500 From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) NG Badge pin! Well, my part of this project is coming to a close! With over 100 hours of my time into this pin, I've had more than enough time to have some deep thoughts on this subject! There were many a moment that I sat wondering why I was doing this. The answer was clear. . . while we are like a family, with all of the bickering and fighting, I also know where I can come to get great information regarding my passion of live. . . PIPES! So, with that in mind, I trudged forward. I am more than pleased with the results and would LOVE to share them with you all. However . .. I need the best computer geeks in the world to come to the aid of your humble pin designer! Since I got this new system, I have been unable to use my scanner!!!! HELP!!!!! Is there anyone who can assist me in scanning this thing? Now, I thought it fair to share the progress of this pin. In the 100 hours (yes, Zu, I underestimated this by about 60 hours!), there have been 5 molds produced to get it to the right size with the right detailing. The transitions of this process go from positive sculpture to negative mold and back to positive casting then back to detailing. Tonight I was able to proceed to the final stage and pour a negative rubber on the 1:1 prototype! The official pin size is 1 7/8" x 21/2". The rubber will take 24 hours to cure. At this time, I will pour 3 or 4 plaster castings and forward the mold to Dan . . another NG volunteer, who will be making the wax positives for the casting. This process is called a "lost wax" process that the jeweler will use in the production! So you can see this has been a long, but rewarding, process. The rubber tonight was the 6th mold production!!! For those of you who have been on the ground floor of this process, I was able to open the background of the pin so the "a" in @ is free standing and it looks GREAT! Zu will be able to give more details on this as far as price and delivery time when Dan receives the prototype from me. Any new people who are interested in purchasing one of these pins should contact Zu. . . our fearless leader in this expedition!!!! I believe the website address to see the original pin is something like: http://people.delphi.com/terralyn/pin5.jpg. If you can't get it there, try pin4 or something. . anyone remember? Now I will be able to clear my counter tops of RMMB paraphernalia and get on with life!!!! No more changes can be made at this point so there is no room for any comments other than "atta girl!" :) :) :) :) It's been fun and rewarding. . .I think everyone will be pleased with the results. If you aren't, I don't want to hear about it ;) :) :) :) The next time that I need to pay penitence to the NG for anything, I'll opt for the scourging and horsehair shirt! Now, back to practice for Ocala. . . . . . - -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . in sunny Florida http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:15:45 -0800 From: "Todd" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for GIF of Sleep Dearie Sleep Try the Seaforth's book -- just recently reprinted (I think). Tasty Settings in this book; lots of two parted tunes very well arranged. I really like this book. Cheers Todd Muscat wrote in message news:381FE45A.6A12@picknowl.com.au... > If anyone knows, or has a copy of Sleep Dearie Sleep, please let me > know. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:47:03 -0500 From: Bentley Wall Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gig Rates John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > Andrew, I can attest to the fact that we maritimers are still obviously > underpaid......and just when you hike the price...(we upped our rates from $75 cdn > for a head table for example to $100, someone from another outfit is standing at > the ready to undercut you......little do they know, if they went with the higher > rate and missed a couple gigs that they too would be earning the $100 bucks! > I charge $100.00 for a head table....after all they are getting a quality piper > and my time! > Lori Passing up the cheap ones is good for business in the long run, and you don't really miss it. However, overcharging is also bad for business I think. Consider the fairness of getting paid $100 (in many cases NOT a high quality piper either) and look at the fees the highly competent string quartet members playing at the same wedding are making. It is not the same as saying you get what you pay for in many cases. Much of the time, people just don't know anything and pipers take advantage of them by either overcharging or providing them with a piper that is not really capable of playing as well as should be the case. This projects the bagpipe to the uneducated crowd as an obnoxious instrument and further instills the concept that hiring of a piper is done more as a clown act than a unique and elegant musical contribution to a very serious and important ceremony that most people only do 2-3 times in their lives..... : ) My brother called me last week from Arizona and told me that a friend of his had contacted a piper through the internet for a wedding and the guy (one of our own NG people) said he would charge $400. I mean, if anyone thinks they are worth that, at the expense of some kids trying to put together a special wedding full of various expenses, then I think they would do more for people making requests to hook them up with reasonable rate, quality pipers than to try to get away with that. I told my brother that if they could not find anyone else, that I would take advantage of the cheap flight rates to the west coast right now, and I would fly out and do it myself for the plane fare plus a chance to see my brother and west coast friends for a weekend. AND, the whole trip for me to do that would cost less than $400 to fly from Ohio. I know someone will say that it is a capitalist society and we should be able to charge what we can get. But, how many of us complained about the enormous lawsuit settlements being given out (recall the hot coffee thread...) because we thought it just wasn't RIGHT. Sometimes even though we CAN doesn't mean we should. Overcharging helpless uneducated (about bagpipes) people may be funny, but it is not right. I charge $100 for weddings (no matter what the playing requirements), and I add an extra $50 if they want me play them into the reception later in the day, meaning that I have to wait around to essentially play another short spot. Bentley Wall - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:23:32 GMT From: "Ron Bowen" Subject: (bagpipe) The Chief's Great War Pipe Just a bit of a treat for everybody. I've just made a few changes to my website. I've included pictures of, and the story behind, my dad's bagpipe. I think it's worth the visit. http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron_bowen/ Ringo - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:54:11 GMT From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gig Rates Andrew, I can attest to the fact that we maritimers are still obviously underpaid......and just when you hike the price...(we upped our rates from $75 cdn for a head table for example to $100, someone from another outfit is standing at the ready to undercut you......little do they know, if they went with the higher rate and missed a couple gigs that they too would be earning the $100 bucks! I charge $100.00 for a head table....after all they are getting a quality piper and my time! Lori APayzant wrote: > >Subject: Re: Gig Rates > >From: "dnimmo" dnimmo@navnet.net > >Date: Mon, 18 October 1999 08:33 PM EDT > >Message-id: > > > > > >D. MacKinley Riebesehl wrote in message > ><380bab49$0$28089@news.execpc.com>... > >>hey, what do you all charge out there??? etc.... > > > >Just to bring you guys down to reality, ie., the other end of the > >scale...........I recently turned down a piping job from a convention > >consultant who hires pipers here in Halifax on a regular basis......piping > >for pub crawls, piping in head tables, 10 minute calls to dinner, piping > >groups from their hotel to the resturant where they are having dinner, etc. > > > >They told me their standard pay scale for a piper was $50 CAN for the first > >hour and then $25 CAN per half hour thereafter ! > > > >I told them that was "starving college student" piper rates........(of which > >we have many in Halifax).......so they can probably get away with it. > > Damn! When I was attending college in Halifax (early '80s) the going rate had > just recently increased to around $40-50 CDN per gig, and we thought that was > pretty low. It's really sad to see it has not increased at all in nearly 2 > decades! > > And you are right in that the quality of pipers at these gigs is usually quite > good. Here in east Tennessee, the going rate for weddings and funerals starts > at $100 US, and the quality usually isn't anywhere near as good. The market > rules, I suppose... > > Andrew Payzant - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 13:56:55 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) bad F on Gibson The F on my Gibson blackwood chanter has a weak, strangled sound. The volume is noticeably less than the other notes, and I have a hard time tuning it, depending on the reed. Even non-pipers comment that this one note seems to be out. The rest of the chanter is very nice. The throat has never been reamed, and the chanter has been played about three years. I think it is a 1996 or 1997 model. I really would like to do something about it. Ideas? ream the throat of the chanter? enlarge to F hole? just use reeds that favor the F? other ideas? TIA - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:22:48 GMT From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: WYGENT DUATONES In article , "Iain Sherwood" wrote: > Okay, I meant OUT, not IN - I've been working with too many reeds lately.... I thought it might have been a "typo". I had to think twice about it, too. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:28:43 GMT From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ross Pipe Bags In article <7vp0ca$hg3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, tommytroot@my-deja.com wrote: > Can anyone direct me to the web site for Geoff Ross. Try this URL http://web.one.net.au/~geoffross/web_site_layout001.htm Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 14:17:07 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. >Belly-Aching > Well if that is how you wish to interpret my comments you are > entitled to your opinion, you can please some of the people some of > the time, but not all of the people all of the time,If you were to > know me you would find my opinion to be honest and truthfull. I don't doubt the honesty and truthfulness of your posts. My point was that as long as you offer a different OPINION, you really do not contribute. This was not a personal attack. It was an attempt to encourage you to make a useful contribution to the discussion. After all, you started it. Maybe a formula cn be developed giving a deviation for each particular judge. I am not a mathmetician, so I really don't have a grasp of the algebra involved, but maybe something like this: 1. Take the 20% of the scores of the judge that deviate most from the final ranking in the contest, and score them, using 0 as no deviation and 1 as maximun deviation. Use the absolute values, of course. 2. Take the 80% of the scores that deviate least, and do the same thing. This would result in two scores. The first score would give an idea as to the extreme the particular judge goes, and the second score would give an idea as to the "normal" amount of difference. The intepretation of the scores would not be set, however, and individuals could interprete them in whatever fashion that suited them. The counter-argument is that this device would inhibit judges from making radical judgments, and give more weight to the status quo and conventional expectations. Another idea is to have the competitors judge the judges. In a sense, this would be an appeal to posteriety. But maybe if a particular judge consistantly receive adverse comment, he would either reconsider his manner of judging, or he might find himself invited to fewer and fewer contests. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:21:37 -0500 From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson On 03 Nov 1999 13:56:55 GMT, ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) wrote: >The F on my Gibson blackwood chanter has a weak, strangled sound. The volume >is noticeably less than the other notes, and I have a hard time tuning it, >depending on the reed. Even non-pipers comment that this one note seems to be >out. The rest of the chanter is very nice. > >The throat has never been reamed, and the chanter has been played about three >years. I think it is a 1996 or 1997 model. I really would like to do >something about it. > >Ideas? >ream the throat of the chanter? >enlarge to F hole? >just use reeds that favor the F? >other ideas? Raise the reed in the seat slightly, make sure it's dry. Then tie a firm, but not tight, hemp bridle around the soundbox of the reed. This should keep the blades in a more closed position, which will eliminate the problem. Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 17:57:49 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for GIF of Sleep Dearie Sleep Jim, Contact me via private email, I have it in gif, jpg or piob mhor. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 17:30:41 GMT From: mwinh@aol.com (MwinH) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: new bag technology For what it is worth (not much I admit) I switched from hide to the Ross Canister and will never go back. I know, never say never but the thing is great. You know what your pipes are going to do at all times. I know you can set up a good stable bagpipe with a hide bag but not to the degree you can with the Ross. You know you can get through a cold wet performance with no drones shutting down from moisture. Your drone slides stabilize and there is no adding or subtracting hemp all the time. The reeds stabilize and tune at the same spot every time and you seldom have to fiddle with bridles again. True it is pain to change the kitty litter and when the bag clamp is not on perfectly and the bag pops open on you it is no fun either but then again there is no need to season. >"Scott A. Treen" wrote: >> >> I am asking the newgroup for some advice. It's time to change bags and >I'm >> interested in a Ross or Canmore Bag. Please offer your opinions/advice >on >> the Ross bag(both the standard and the kitty-litter model) I understand >> that the canmore bag has been improved as to being able to get the stocks >> tied in without alot of black tape. Is the Ross bag as light as the >> Canmore bag? One of the things I did not like about Canmore was that >it >> threw the balance of the pipes off. Martin Hatcher Albany NY USA ..................................................... "Nine Notes? How hard can it be?" - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 03 Nov 1999 18:02:32 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: bad F on Gibson >other ideas? > Sell that peice of junk, and buy a... No I can't do it! My will powers staying intact today! ;?)~ Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:09:31 -0800 From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trips for the Boys. It would be much simpler to do it the way figure skating is judged - another highly subjective competition. Have an odd number of judges, five or more; throw out the high and low scores, and average the three in the middle. That would probably give the 'best' possible score for every entrant. You'd also have yo make sure that 1) none of them were in business with each other and 2) they were from different areas. The downside is that you'd have to have fifteen judges for each band event and five for each individual event, which would cause Games organisers to faint dead away.... IS Ccc31807 wrote in message news:19991103091707.02526.00000722@ng-cr1.aol.com... > >Belly-Aching > > Well if that is how you wish to interpret my comments you are > > entitled to your opinion, you can please some of the people some of > > the time, but not all of the people all of the time,If you were to > > know me you would find my opinion to be honest and truthfull. > > I don't doubt the honesty and truthfulness of your posts. My point was that as > long as you offer a different OPINION, you really do not contribute. This was > not a personal attack. It was an attempt to encourage you to make a useful > contribution to the discussion. After all, you started it. > > Maybe a formula cn be developed giving a deviation for each particular judge. > I am not a mathmetician, so I really don't have a grasp of the algebra > involved, but maybe something like this: > 1. Take the 20% of the scores of the judge that deviate most from the final > ranking in the contest, and score them, using 0 as no deviation and 1 as > maximun deviation. Use the absolute values, of course. > 2. Take the 80% of the scores that deviate least, and do the same thing. > > This would result in two scores. The first score would give an idea as to the > extreme the particular judge goes, and the second score would give an idea as > to the "normal" amount of difference. The intepretation of the scores wou ld > not be set, however, and individuals could interprete them in whatever fashion > that suited them. > > The counter-argument is that this device would inhibit judges from making > radical judgments, and give more weight to the status quo and conventional > expectations. > > Another idea is to have the competitors judge the judges. In a sense, this > would be an appeal to posteriety. But maybe if a particular judge consistantly > receive adverse comment, he would either reconsider his manner of judging, or > he might find himself invited to fewer and fewer contests. > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ End of bagpipe-digest V1 #178 ***************************** - To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.