From: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com (bagpipe-digest) To: bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: bagpipe-digest V1 #201 Reply-To: bagpipe-digest Sender: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk bagpipe-digest Monday, November 29 1999 Volume 01 : Number 201 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:07:31 -0500 From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lyric search Jeff, some of the tunes in your list were written as tunes rather than as songs- meaning they were composed without lyrics, and intended to be played as tuines- again no lyrics. Some of the lyrics you will find set to these tunes will be spurious at best. Going Home. By Cool Siloam's Shady Rill and For a Closer Walk With God can be found in hymnals. The Green Hills of Tyrol does have a set of lyrics AKA "The Scottish Soldier" The tune itself was adapted from Rossini's opera "William Tell", I understand. Brown Haiored Maid I believe is originally a gaelic song :Ho Ro Mo nighean Donn Bhoidheachd- lyrics may be found in one of the Rankin Family albums They sing it as a slow air, and do Mo Run Geal Dileas as a Quick March- go figure.. Spurious lyrics for Barren Rocks are legion, I'm afraid. I supect that the polkas mentioned do not have lyrics. Jeff wrote: > Looking for lyrics to > 1 Brown Haired Maiden > 2 Kevins Polka > 3 Sweeney's Polka > 4 Going Home > 5 By Cool Siloams Shady Rill > 6 Barron Rocks of Aden > 7 O For A closer Walk With God > 8 The Herding Song > 9 The Green Hills Of Tyrol > 10 The River Aora > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 08:40:04 -0500 From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Tune Info Needed Does anyone know anything about the tune "Drunken Duncan", by one P. MacCallum? History, background, etc.? Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:56:50 -0800 From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! I think you mean that HE's the joke... "Shawn Husk" wrote in message news:3841307E.56268597@aol.com... > Mike Le Boeuf wrote: > > > A Bagpipe is a bagpipe, a bunch of hollow pieces of wood pit into a > > leather bag (or Camel). They are all the same. $200, $500, $1500, the > > only differance is the price, nothing else. > > I will even give you an extra set of 'quality' cane reeds. > > With best and kindest regards, > > Ahmed > > I mean, > > Mike > > > Okay now I know you're joking...... > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:49:57 GMT From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Alert !!!! In article <81rqtc$euu$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>, "James Stewart" wrote: > > I do believe I'm offended, The site was probably put on the web by the banjo pickin' kid from the movie "Deliverance". Ignorance abounds!! The guy probably doesn't have a clue about the tuning of the GHB. I recently received a CD which is a sort of anthology of piping music - some of it quite good - but one track it particular is of interest and caught my attention when I first listened to it. It's a GHB and banjo playing together, the banjo player isn't strumming chords in rhythm either but rather playing the tune along with the piper. It is unusual, but really pretty nice. All the best, Jim - -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 20:20:32 -0800 From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hidden Tracks in Piping Cds? In article <19991128095339.05172.00000863@ng-fk1.aol.com>, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > >I've had the CD for two months now, and this is > >the first time I've heard the hidden track. Very, Very, Very > cool. Are there > >any others to look for? > Back when albums were vinyl, you could play most any country album > backwards > and your dog would come back, your wife would come back.... > Zu And your pick-up would be un-hit by the train. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:05:11 -0800 From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hidden Tracks in Piping Cds? I like the one on Chris Armstrong's album that whispers "Shepherd is the devil, Shepherd is the devil..." over and over. Kind of reassuring. IS "Ccc31807" wrote in message news:1415c574.e5c67f3e@usw-ex0101-002.remarq.com... > In article <19991128095339.05172.00000863@ng-fk1.aol.com>, > zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > > >I've had the CD for two months now, and this is > > >the first time I've heard the hidden track. Very, Very, Very > > cool. Are there > > >any others to look for? > > Back when albums were vinyl, you could play most any country album > > backwards > > and your dog would come back, your wife would come back.... > > Zu > And your pick-up would be un-hit by the train. > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 1999 00:44:22 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! >That's hard to get you know. First you have to trim the nails of >literally hundreds of wolverines to get one fitting. Then you grind >them and cement them with acrylic resin.... > >Royce Darn, I'm wrong again! I thought it was camel cuticles... Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 1999 21:46:05 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! >Well, comparing to this guys auction, my prices are decent. >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=205796918 > Genuine "ivorine" mounts? Wow they must be good LMAO! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 1999 19:14:00 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Alert !!!! >I do believe I'm offended, Are you >offended? Let's all be offended! I know I'm defeniately offensive! Oh wait a minute, that was "offended"... no I'm not that, sorry! LOL Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:53:53 -0500 From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gaelic (Scottish) Bridal Toast help However nice they may be, if it is indeed Scots Gaelic you want, you might try Craig Cockburn's pages :http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/~craig/weddings.html Lawrie Silverberg wrote: > Will do. Thanks a lot. > > Lawrie > > >http://zinnia.umfacad.maine.edu/~donaghue/toasts08.html > >Try this page. It even has some rough pronunciations. > > > >Rob Hall > > > > > >Lawrie Silverberg wrote in message > >news:+TM7OGaHlyfIeCw9STOGmqrq=6aV@4ax.com... > >> A patient's daughter is getting married soon and she asked him to do > >> a toast to the bride in Gaelic. Unfortunately his Gaelic (Scottish) > >> is very rusty and I told him I'd try and find a _short toast for him > >> to give. Any suggestions (serious) would be appreciated. > >> > >> Lawrie > > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:37:54 -0800 From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Bagpiip wrote: > > >That's hard to get you know. First you have to trim the nails of > >literally hundreds of wolverines to get one fitting. Then you grind > >them and cement them with acrylic resin.... > > > >Royce > > Darn, I'm wrong again! > I thought it was camel cuticles... > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. I was thinking of ordering about 20 of those junk pipes from pakistan, puting them all on ebay and stating that they cost about $25 each, and they are like every other Rosewood bagpipe on ebay. Just to see if people will actually bid over $100 for these pipes. Its more just to let them know how much they actually cost. I try to talk people out of buying some of these pipes from Mid-East, but it just doesnt work. All of these companies buying them at wholesale for $120, and selling them for $240, when they actually cost $25. I am trying to see if the maker I know is willing to make me 20 cheep sets. Mike - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:47:56 -0000 From: "Peter Anderson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DegerPipes and tartantown.com We have two guys in our band with these things - they are brilliant. I just wish my electric pipes would break (Budgie pipes) so I could justify getting a set. P.S. Not only do they sound ok but are very well made. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 1999 18:02:28 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Test/help question Has there been any messages posted since last night? I suspect my AOL maybe on the fritz again. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:50:17 GMT From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Not if you can't execute it well enough though.......the words "walk before you run" come to mind here........IMHO Lori Andrew Lee Hagen wrote: > On 28 Nov 1999, Zudupiper wrote: > > > >As far as 2/4 marches go - try The Highland Wedding, Lord Alexander > > >Kennedy, Bonnie Ann, - well at least that's what I played when I was in > > >grade 1. Something 6 parted and challenging. > > > > You'll probably do better in grade 3 with something 4 parted and manageable > > instead. Like Mrs MacDonald of Dunach, Lady Lever Park, things like that. > > > > Zu > > If you want to progress to grade 2 you'll have to push yourself. The more > challenging the tune, the more you'll get out of it at the end of the > day. > > ALH - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:00:58 GMT From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Kinda harsh in my mind........but have heard worse! If its a contemporary piece, the best advice is to use a contemporary piece by a reputable composer........ Lori oshpiper wrote: > In article , > toneczar@erols.com wrote: > > > ...And if it's a nice tune, kudos. If it's a poor tune unworthy of the > > competition platform, I think the judge is entitled to say so. Not > > necessarily mark point off because of it, but to steer the player in > > the proper direction for the good of the art. > > > > Chris > > Is it a judges intention to "steer" a player, when they make a private > comment to a soloist that the tune, a 2/4 March, was a "horse-shit" > tune. Or might there be another meaning to that type of comment? By > the way, the comment was solicited by the soloist when he asked the > judge what he thought of the tune. > > Pat > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:17:37 -0800 From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Ccc31807 wrote: > > In article <38420D63.66D8@worldnet.att.net>, Mike Le Boeuf > wrote: > > If I flood ebay wich a hundred sheesham wood pipes that cost > > $25.00, > > other importers will have to look other places to buy their pipes. > > But it 'could' (im hoping) it will force them to buy better pipes. > > Mike > > I think this is a GREAT idea. This is a classic application of > Gresham's Law applied to bagpipes. Not only will you be doing a great > deal to makers and purveyors of decent instruments, you will do a great > service to the non-piping public by having them waste only $25 instead > of $300 to $400, and you will make money at the same time. It's win/win > all the way around. The only ones you will be hurting are the frauds > and cheats, like the West Point cadet (supposedly), who attempt to sell > junk for non-junk prices, and they deserve to be hurt. > > The only thing I would add is that you need to make clear the origen of > the goods sold. > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Well I am glad to hear I have 1 supporter who see's the same as I do. Thanks, Mike - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:19:55 -0800 From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! > Yes he will make money, by rip-off unsuspecting new players, and doing > more harm than good to the instrument. > ~~~~~ Yes, I am out to Rip people off,, sure thats the way I do things.. It wont be $25 I will have to be around $60 because of shipping. How about I just let people buy these pipes for $300? thats ripping people off. $60 is the cost of a set of plastic reeds. Mike - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:57:27 GMT From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions I played the Strathspey Mrs Isabelle MacDonald (Michael Grey's last book I think) for a judge from out west......the name eludes me right now, he ASKED about it, and for it........he really liked it........and my god, judges can tell if you miss things like doublings the second time through or whatever........and that is what you are being judged on right? the execution of a given tune......well, beyond the nuances that separate one strathspey from the next.........its pretty much not that difficult I wouldn't say for the standard tunesof the...MSR for example to be judged, if you know the tunes or not........its how it is played, consistency, bagpipe, musicality etc that is judged Lori Bagpiip wrote: > >why play what everyone else is playing? There are PLENTY of tunes out there > >to pick from. Get hold of the Cairngorm series - one has GS MacLennan tunes, > >one is just marches (60 of 'em), and the new one is just strathspeys and > >reels (30 each). Donald MacLeod's books, Ross collection, John MacLellan's > >books, all are full of great competition tunes, as are Seumas MacNeill's and > >the newly reissued John MacFadyen collections. Scots Guards is literally > >FULL of great marches - hey, that's what they do, isn't it??? > > > > Interesting advice. How would a judge treat (or judge) a tune he's not familiar > with? > Would that be an advantage or a disadvantage to the player? > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:20:31 -0800 From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! The Mann wrote: > > > > > I think this is a GREAT idea. > > I think its absurd. Selling junk pipes can only hurt piping in general, > and probably will have a few people giving up when their 20$ pipes bite > the dust (if they play at all) > > This is a classic application of > > Gresham's Law applied to bagpipes. Not only will you be doing a great > > deal to makers and purveyors of decent instruments, you will do a > great > > service to the non-piping public by having them waste only $25 instead > > of $300 to $400, and you will make money at the same time. It's > win/win > > all the way around. > > Yes he will make money, by rip-off unsuspecting new players, and doing > more harm than good to the instrument. > > The only ones you will be hurting are the frauds > > and cheats, like the West Point cadet (supposedly), who attempt to > sell > > junk for non-junk prices, and they deserve to be hurt. > > So these guys who get burned will hang around on Ebay and warn others? > Totally absurd idea! The only ones who will learn anything will be the > people who buy these, and they are more likely to quit than regroup > their money and buy a good set. > Bad idea anyway you look at it. > > > > > The only thing I would add is that you need to make clear the origen > of > > the goods sold.> > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion > Network * > > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - > Free! > > > > > > -- > "I'll out-pipe you anyday" > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Your just upset because you didnt think of it first. :-p - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:20:44 -0800 From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions If he's a decent judge he SHOULD be familiar with virtually every tune being played - he should at least have heard it. Some PBAs have a stipulation that the judge can request the sheet music for an unfamiliar or unpublished tune. What I was trying to say is that there are more than five good tunes out there. Any judge worth his $100 judging fee had better know every tune in the books I cited, or he's not really qualified to judge. Let's face it, would you like to have to sit through fifteen bad renditions of 'Siege of Delhi' and have to choose between them? I've had to do it, and it's a royal pain in the ass. Judges like to hear different tunes because when they're played well, they're a joy to hear. When they're played badly, it gives a judge the opportunity to stretch his vocabulary... If the judge is an inexperienced idiot, playing an odd tune could be a serious disadvantage. One reason why higher grades require you to submit a list of tunes is so the judge doesn't get bored hearing LAK over and over again. It's up to the games people - they pick the judges. IS "Bagpiip" wrote in message news:19991129045353.04258.00001208@ng-fv1.aol.com... > >why play what everyone else is playing? There are PLENTY of tunes out there > >to pick from. Get hold of the Cairngorm series - one has GS MacLennan tunes, > >one is just marches (60 of 'em), and the new one is just strathspeys and > >reels (30 each). Donald MacLeod's books, Ross collection, John MacLellan's > >books, all are full of great competition tunes, as are Seumas MacNeill's and > >the newly reissued John MacFadyen collections. Scots Guards is literally > >FULL of great marches - hey, that's what they do, isn't it??? > > > > Interesting advice. How would a judge treat (or judge) a tune he's not familiar > with? > Would that be an advantage or a disadvantage to the player? > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:24:13 -0800 From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! > > Yes he will make money, by rip-off unsuspecting new players, and doing > more harm than good to the instrument. > Before you buy. ~~~~~~ Also, if you look at my auctions on ebay, you can really tell im out to 'Rip-off unsuspecting new players', a set of 1950's Sinclairs going fo $455.00 a full ivory mounted pipe going for $1010.00 Yeh, im really rolling in on the profits on this one. (Sarcasm) - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:06:52 -0500 From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Composer Info Does anyone out there know who composed the hornpipe "Wee Alec From Fort William" ??? Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:34:21 -0500 From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DegerPipes and tartantown.com On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:01:38 +0100, wpatr@dial.active.ch wrote: >Uh? Yeah? Naw! >I didn't say anything about the site or the expertise. Just ventured an >opinion on the corny name. Any branches in Tinseltown? >Consider ma heid rested Ha, okay!!! How about the Scotch Boutique ??? >Chris Hamilton wrote: > >> On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:41:36 +0100, wpatr@dial.active.ch wrote: >> >> >PS I'd be wary of a site named tartantown. Yuk! >> >> Uh, yeah, except that Terry Lee, P/M of the Simon Fraser University >> band and one of the best-known figures in piping, runs the piping end >> of it ... so ye can rest your little heid. >> >> Chris >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com >> City of Washington Pipe Band >> http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:57:52 +0000 From: Andrew Lee Hagen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Yes, but that's the whole point. You should spend a year working on your competition tunes - at least, and the only difference between a 4 part and 6 part tune is the amount of music to remember. There are 4 parted tunes which are more difficult to execute. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. But in the judges' eye (or ear as the case may be) you have taken a bigger load on board, you're standing in from of him longer, and the longer you play, the more chances you have to screw up. So if you can manage to get through a 6 parted tune, with no screw-ups, it will weigh more heavily against someone who plays a 4 parted tune. Such things are taken into consideration. You have to prioritise your goals. If you win in grade three, yeah, you can go up to grade two, but what then? My point is this, if you push yourself hard to begin with, the challenges later will be easier to meet. I competed against a guy in America called Eric A. - and I'd love nothing more than to bring him into this discussion. He played the same march every year, from grade 4 to grade one. The Sweet Maid of Mull. Yeah, he won, but when he tried to get into open class he was declined. The criticism was that he never put any effort into it, and avoided every challenge - just to win. He won the battles and lost the war - so to speak. There's a difference between winning and maximizing your potential. 6 parted tunes are no more difficult to play - they're merely longer. And the harder you push yourself, the better you have to be to win. You build consistency That's maximizing your potential. As I remember, in Open class you had to play the MSR three times - why? to prove your consistency. And this is something you can begin building-up from the early stages (such as grade 3). You shouldn't aim at the next grade, but several grades above that. How do you define winning? Winning in grade three or reaching open class? - - ALH On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, John and/or Lori Gaudet wrote: > Not if you can't execute it well enough though.......the words "walk before you > run" come to mind here........IMHO > Lori > > Andrew Lee Hagen wrote: > > > On 28 Nov 1999, Zudupiper wrote: > > > > > >As far as 2/4 marches go - try The Highland Wedding, Lord Alexander > > > >Kennedy, Bonnie Ann, - well at least that's what I played when I was in > > > >grade 1. Something 6 parted and challenging. > > > > > > You'll probably do better in grade 3 with something 4 parted and manageable > > > instead. Like Mrs MacDonald of Dunach, Lady Lever Park, things like that. > > > > > > Zu > > > > If you want to progress to grade 2 you'll have to push yourself. The more > > challenging the tune, the more you'll get out of it at the end of the > > day. > > > > ALH > > > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:41:10 -0800 From: "Iain Sherwood" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: hearing loss You will sustain some hearing loss by the time you're fifty if you start playing at twelve or so. Most pipers experience some hearing loss as they age - it's a common side effect of playing. Wearing earplugs will help prevent major loss, or so say the audiologists. IS "Brad Morrison" wrote in message news:2750ac20.b4f57216@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com... > What's the deal on hearing loss for pipers? > If I practice indoors, I will usually wear earplugs, as the idea of > being deaf is pretty unappealing. On the other hand, I prefer to hear > the pipes in all their glory. > > I like things LOUD! > > So, does anyone have any experience with this. What else are others > doing? Is hearing loss a legitimate concern? I know that with a lot > of noise that causes hearing loss, it's the cumulative effect of long > periods of time - so I wonder if an hour or so is really that dangerous. > > Brad > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:51:29 GMT From: John and/or Lori Gaudet Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Veteran Questions Whats this Bill???? Yer a veteran now??? hehehehe ;-)))) Lori Bagpiip wrote: > >maybe the competition scene is different where you are.... > > I thought his comments were way off too, but I figured I'd wait to see if > anyone else said so first. > Hard tunes do not win prizes, especially in lower grades. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 1999 22:08:42 GMT From: heatscan@kalama.com (Iknow) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cap Badge search In article <3841D1BE.F85C3FA@pacwest.net>, Don Robertson wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know where to get the Cap badge for the Regiment that wears a scull and crossed bones ? Also, what Regiment would that be ? Cheers Don _________________ The only outfit I know is the SS from Nazi Germany. Regards, Gerhard - -- Recte faciendo Neminen Timeas Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth? - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:16:15 -0800 From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Bagpiip wrote: > > >I am hoping it will start to force other guys to import better pipes > >from better makers, to start to thin out the import of the real junk. > > Mike, > I find your story hard to believe for two reasons. Number 1 you've been on this > NG long enough to know perfectly well that none of these dealers who sell that > crap are here or read this NG, and two is the only time you have something to > say is when someone (especially newbies) come on asking about buying a set of > pipes, and then you suddenly appear with your "200$ specials" that are "really > not so bad". > It's obvious your only throwing out a cheap alternative to those who don't know > better. You ignore the fact that even if you sell them a relatively good set, > that chances are they will no longer be playable nevermind even exist a year > from now. > Bill > Mar a bha, mar a tha, > mar a bhitheas gu brath, > ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. nono,, the last time I sold a Sheesham wood bagpipe wasabout 3 years ago. It was from the first company that I baught bagpipes from and it was a 2 drone Irish Warpipe. I was just saying all of this crap about the $200 pipes as sarcasm. If he really wants a cheep sheesham wood pipe, I will get him one. $25 plus shipping. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:52:37 -0000 From: "Jean Gould" Subject: (bagpipe) The British Shop Hello all, Does the British Shop of Kenmore, New York have a webpage? I thought I had seen one a while back, but now my searches have netted me nothing. Would appreciate the address if you have it, Thanks, Jean - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:17:25 -0800 From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Dear Mr. The Mann - You totally missed my point. In fact, your post shows that you and I are in total and complete agreement, you just don't realize it. You say, >Selling junk pipes can only hurt piping in > general, > and probably will have a few people giving up when their 20$ pipes > bite > the dust (if they play at all). Mike's point was that these junk pipes are being sold anyway, for about $300! His idea was to sell the same product for $20. Now, what do you think will happen? Buyer's of junk pipes will buy the $20 version rather than the $300 version, and the $300 sellers will be forced out of business. And the buyers will know that they have a $20 pipe rather than a $300 pipe, and will be that much more likely to know that they have junk. After all, what's the difference between a $20 guitar and a $300 guitar? Or a $20 guitar and a $1,000 guitar? You go on to say, > Yes he will make money, by rip-off unsuspecting new players, and > doing > more harm than good to the instrument. Mike will not make much money doing this, and his customers will be ripped off much less than if they buy the same product for $300. Yes, it will do harm to the instrument, but it will do MUCH LESS harm than the present situation. > So these guys who get burned will hang around on Ebay and warn > others? > Totally absurd idea! The only ones who will learn anything will be > the > people who buy these, and they are more likely to quit than regroup > their money and buy a good set. > Bad idea anyway you look at it. You've got this backwards. With all these $20 pipes flooding the market, who is going to hang around Ebay? This will drive the frauds and cheats out of business. Will you tell me that you want the frauds and cheats to stay in business? Mr. The Mann, which is the worst evil: (a) worthless pipes sold for $300 to unsuspecting buyers? or (b) worthless pipes sold for $20 to suspecting buyers? Why do you think I made the reference to Gresham's Law? Think about it and comne back and tell us that you have reconsidered and now think this is a GREAT idea. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:41:16 -0800 From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Lower price bagpipe for beginner ! Dear Mr. The Mann - I will admit that my first post was a little tongue-in-cheek. Actually, I kind of liked the idea of offering $20 pipes for sale on Ebay as kind of a joke on those idiots selling $150 for a starting bid of $500 and people bidding them up from there. Did you catch that photo on Ebay of a practice chanter for sale with the reed placed in the mouthpiece!? If not, go back and find it, it was hilarious. Gresham's Law is a prinicipal of economics that bad money drives out good. The best example in living memory in the U.S. was when the clad coins were issued in 1968. Guess what happened to the silver coinage. The idea, as relates to bagpipes, is that bad pipes drive out good pipes, so worse pipes (the $20 variety) will drive out the bad pipes. I don't mean this seriously, obviously, but this is the Bolshevik in me. Too, someone who gets ripped off for $20 is harmed less than someone who gets ripped off for $300. No, two wrongs don't make a right, but adultry is worse than flirting, and murder is worse than assault. We would be in a very bad state is we, like Paul, sinned more so that grace may abound more. In any case, bad pipes sell because people buy them. If Mike can earn a buck by selling cheaper pipes, that's his right, and his customers will get what they pay for. Who is to blame? We are, you and I, for neglecting our duty to educate the public about quality pipes. And the fact that the public doesn't seem to care is no excuse, because a good educator creates interest. So if you want to see who is responsible for $300 pipes, just look in the mirror. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ End of bagpipe-digest V1 #201 ***************************** - To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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