From: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com (bagpipe-digest) To: bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: bagpipe-digest V1 #231 Reply-To: bagpipe-digest Sender: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-bagpipe-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk bagpipe-digest Tuesday, December 21 1999 Volume 01 : Number 231 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:24:08 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving/scraping/sanding reeds >By retonguing do you mean making a new popsicle stick for a plastic body? I don't work on Ross reeds, but I replace tongues on Wygents and EZs. I use a different material, different thickness, and slightly different bending technique. If I wanted to start experimenting with making chanter reeds, where's a good place to start? What books, supplies, etc would you recommend? And where do you get the cane? Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:41:42 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Johnny comes marching home >Zu, where in the tune "dixie" do you break the phrase across the octave? It >doesn't fit nice and neat within the nine notes of the GHB scale. No, it doesn't fit nice and neat, but it's recognizable as being Dixie. I didn't have any "real" (ie conventional) music with me when I did this setting, and I'm not quite sure where the octave break that you're talking about is. Probably the second part. And I think I handled the octave thing by changing keys and dropping down a third or something. I set the first part of the tune in A, and the second part in D. The first part sounds better than the second part. I can fax my setting to you or snail mail it if you give me your fax or address.... Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:04:04 -0800 From: Mike Le Boeuf Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Mrs. MacDonald of Dunach Mike Le Boeuf wrote: > > Does anyone have this tune in JPG format? > Thanks, > Mike Thanks everyone!! This adds another 2/4 to my memory - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:56:55 -0800 From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLeòid)" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone Reed Problem wrote in message news:83mk8t$qke$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <19991219204252.23895.00000443@ng-bh1.aol.com>, > zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote: > > years, and I've never found a flapper valve or a Lil Mac or anything > on the end > > of my blowpipe. I use my tongue like MacCrimmon did and God > intended. > > Valuable skills have been lost because people have learned to take > shortcuts. Uh oh. Excuse the silly newbie here (me) interjecting, but are blowpipe flapper valves not traditional? I've only used my tongue when the valve is starting to go, and I'm in too much a hurry (or lazy) to replace it. Traditionally, pipers used their tongues to block the air flow? Or is this just rubbish? - -- - ---------------------- Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden, FSA (Scot.) Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc. Clann MhicLeòid Leódhais - "I Birn Quhil I Se" http://www.macleodpacific.org - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:31:32 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone >The three scores are quite independent of each other. As I realized after I took a closer look at them. >In several cases >the "Overall Favourites" mark doesn't match up at all with the two tuning >marks. I find this rather interesting. Yeah, in about 4 or 5 cases there's just a weird overall result. In a couple of cases I would have expected a much higher overall based on the individual chanter and drone marks, and in a couple of cases the reverse is true. Somebody who knows a lot about statistics could probably explain it for us. But generally, there was a good amount of internal consistency, like you said. Still wondering how many people voted... Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 1999 23:50:26 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone > I would be curious to know how may people voted for their own >selection(s). I'm very interested in that too! >or would we have enough votes >then to form a quorum? Yes, how many voted? >When are you planning to release names, c/w bio's? ??? > I think the group owes you a thanx for the >pleasant diversion from the mundane; so "thanx for the effort". And don't forget a thanx to John also,for thinking of it in the first place! Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:45:11 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Y2K/Earth Quaich >Below is the tune list for the Y2K/Earth Quaich Competition: >(Competitors to submit 9 tunes) > I laughed my ass off. And I don't say that lightly. Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:52:08 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Leather Blowpipe Valve >I recently bought a leather valve, but it doesn't have any >instructions, and I realize that I don't know what to do with it. >Specifically, which side do I cut (smooth or rough) and how far through >the leather do I cut? The smooth side of the flapper goes against the blowpipe. When I used leather flappers, I don't think I had to cut them. You can put a little vaseline on the end of the blowpipe, where the flapper seals, to help it seal the first few times. Are you mounting this flapper directly onto the blowpipe (the tail would be wrapped under the hemp), or the other way (on a flange or staple)? Cutting is less critical if you mount it the other way. Good luck, Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 04:02:55 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone > I would be curious to know how may people voted for their own >selection(s). I gave myself what I though were honest marks on chanter and drones, compared to the other entries. I picked 10 places for overall, and I put one of my entries near the bottom of the 10 (the other one didn't make it to the top 10). There were a lot better entries than mine. That's not to say it wouldn't be possible to rig the voting somehow (say you got all your friends to send in votes for your entry or something. > I thought it would mean more to have me >NOT vote, since I was a participant. My votes for other than overall didn't mean much. I didn't give any marks for any drones, since I couldn't really hear them, and I gave chanter marks of mostly 4 and 3 (with a few 5's and a 2). I think you should have voted, since part of the fun (whether you're a participant or not) is to see how many of the top 10 you picked. One other thing this experiment did was to let me play judge for a few minutes. It's damn hard work! Probably harder than listening in person, because there are so many variables involved here (recording setup, etc etc etc). > And one >last thing Chris (and Bob), I think the group owes you a thanx for the >pleasant diversion from the mundane; so "thanx for the effort". I second that! Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 04:10:02 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trend tapering off soon???? >If a trend is what brought them, they will most certainly leave >on the next band wagon. Things do run in trends. Scottish and Celtic stuff was really popular the past couple of years. These days the trend is to other kinds of music. I was talking to a booking agent who I pipe for occasionally, and he was telling me the same thing. He's getting calls for new kinds of music, and less calls for "traditional" music. Lots of standing gigs have gone away or changed to other instruments. In 1998 I did about 45 performances, and several kilted weddings (not just groom, but all the guys in the wedding party). In 1999 I did about 30 performances, and no kilted weddings. Piping was busy in '97, really busy in '98, but a little less so in '99. People's tastes in music are changing. Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 04:28:10 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone Reed Problem >I guess what I'm saying is. >The TONE you achieve with cane outweighs the ease and Tone of the >synthetics. > >This is especially important in the higher levels of piping, a place >you're not familiar with. Are you playing cane in Open? I don't know a huge number of grade 1 pipers, but those I know, are playing synthetics in competition. The couple of Open pipers I know play both, depending on the event. >I'm sure It's not impossible to get synth to sound great, but >It sure Isn't easy, beginners certainly wont be able to do It, alot of >pro's wont be able to do It. >So why bother when you can great tone with >much less effort from cane. At first I thought synthetic reeds were a pain in the ass and very hard to adjust, compared to cane. As I learned more about them, I realized how flexible they are. A lot more so than cane. most people don't take advantage of that flexibility, though. You don't like the sound? Change the bridle. Re-set the tongue. Change the tongue if you want to. make the new tongue a slightly different shape than it was before. Use different colors. You don't like the sound of a cane reed? You don't have those options. You're pretty much limited. Do a few things to it, and if that doesn't work.... Pick another one out of the box. We're not going to agree on this one. Zu. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 04:30:07 GMT From: zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Johnny comes marching home >You should have done RevWar! Lots of pipers in that war. Wicked expensive kit. Zu - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:09:24 -0700 From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for "Space Piper" poster Hey, when you find one, let me know I want one too. Thanks, Don sammysled@my-deja.com wrote: > I am looking for a poster of the painting "Space Piper" by Dave Scott > that was on the cover of the "Space Piper" CD by Rare Air. > > In case you haven't seen it, it has a person in a space suit playing a > bagpipe on a pocketed asteroid. > > I have already asked Green Linnet and they said they don't have one. > > Any pointers would be very appreciated. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. - -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:31:16 -0500 From: "Maeve" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cane versus synthetics!!!! JOHN BROADWELL wrote in message news:385eb01c_1@newsread3.dircon.co.uk... > Not at all sure about what your saying here Maeve, the old cane reeds *we* > put in Angus were PROPERLY set up, that's if you remember?? I used a certain > little trick to minimise the amount of air they took, the evidence of the > trick should still be visually apparent on those old canes!! Not by the time I got HOME they weren't! Remember what happened to my drone stocks on the way over???? Seems this FL weather is not close enough to YOUR weather to keep Angus, me or the reeds happy!! :) :) I'm smiling as I say that, Hon!!! :) :) :) :) I'll have to take a look at the OLD cane reeds tomorrow and see what it was that we did to them . . . . . It was the NEW cane reeds that you gave to me that I have in Angus now. They were playing beautifully after I set them up but before I re-did them. Does that make sense? Shoot . . . I'm losing control over this now . . .I have 6 sets of cane, two sets of Wygents and I just got a set of Kilberry's today. . . . SOMEBODY STOP ME!!!! (apologies to Jim Carey). So I hope this helps that super-charged male ego problem that you have going on :) :) :) :) :) > what to expect from you after that, and no, it's no good using your womanly > wiles on me, I can be doggedly indifferent to all that when I have pipes on > my shoulder, though I must admit, it's a very pretty thought :-) Don't I know THAT!!!!!!!!! These baby-blues can open MANY doors . . . but not in the piping world! I gave that up a long time ago!!! But, then, I completely understand . .. when Angus is around, there is no other that can turn my head either :) - -- Love and Light be with you, Maeve . . . just one of the guys! Gotta Guinness??? http://people.delphi.com/terralyn terride@sanctum.com "Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess." --- Oscar Wilde > > Slainte > > John B. > > "Everything I do and say with anyone, makes a difference" > Gita Bellin > > >Love and Light be with you, > >Maeve . . . in sunny Florida > >http://people.delphi.com/terralyn > >terride@sanctum.com > >"Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess." > > --- Oscar Wilde > > > > > > > > > > - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 05:13:42 GMT From: jginmd@aol.com (Jginmd) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving/scraping/sanding reeds >If I wanted to start experimenting with making chanter reeds, where's a good >place to start? What books, supplies, etc would you recommend? And where do >you get the cane? > >Zu I don't know of any source for information other than a paper by Gordon Speir's: http://members.aol.com/spegler919/speirs.htm for the how to. You have to make all of your own tools. You can get cane from Madir in Spain Tel-(97)2314339-318119 (they have one guy who speaks very little English) or Silvacane in Carquieranne, France Tel-(33)0494585009. They speak no English. JGS - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 05:16:24 GMT From: jginmd@aol.com (Jginmd) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving/scraping/sanding reeds >Jginmd wrote: > >> >It seems too me that with >> >all the fixing, adjusting, and tweaking we do...we might as well make the >> >reed >> >ourself from square one. >> >> snip. >> My reeds suck shit from a pigs ass but they are improving and every once >in a >> while I make a good one. When I do, I play it. Instead of a store reed. >> JGS > >ummm- I don't think I'd like to play any of yours, given the description of >their >pre-testing procedy ures- or was that your manufacturing secret process? Just an honest description of their TONE. JGS - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 05:39:25 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) experimentation - drone reeds I'm wondering. Has anyone tried replacing the tongue on a Henderson or Wygent or similar reed with a cane tongue? Perhaps split from a clarinet or saxephone reed? If so, what were the results? And, is there anything inherent in the idea that renders it unworkable in the conception? - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:21:25 -0700 From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Chanter Question You haven't hurt it, just let it sit and it will come back to normal. Oiling the chanter can be a good thing. Wood chanters can go flat if they dry out to much. I have taken many an older chanter that the piper didn't like anymore because it was flat and returned to a nice pitch by oiling them over a couple of months. It works like a charm. I picked up a nice Sinclair this way very cheaply and sure enough with a little oil and some tlc it sounds fantastic now. Don Don Robertson wrote: > Hi Smitty, you may have changed the bore and finger holes slightly. If you > haven't dried out the oil as completely as possible do so. I would guess > however you have done that. Next , don't try to wash the chanter this can > only make things worse. Try running a swab through the reed seat hole and > use a Qtip to clean the "rims" of the finger holes. Then, don't panic. I > doubt you have damaged it, you might just need to let the chanter sit out > a bit. If it really sounds bad try a new reed and re-tune with him. The > thing about chanters is they change seasonally anyway. > Cheers > Don > > smitty wrote: > > > I May have just completely F'd up...While oiling my drones for the first > > time in two years, I decided, in my frenzy, to lightly oil my new > > blackwood chanter(which I bought to match my playing partner). We DID > > sound the same ...now what? Am I screwed? I haven't had the guts to play > > tandem with him yet, putting off the horror...Please advise with > > possible help from past experiences. > > Thank you, Smitty - -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:20:09 -0700 From: sdon Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Chanter Question You haven't hurt it, just let it sit and it will come back to normal. Oiling the chanter can be a good thing. Wood chanters can go flat if they dry out to much. I have taken many an older chanter that the piper didn't like anymore because it was flat and returned to a nice pitch by oiling them over a couple of months. It works like a charm. I picked up a nice Sinclair this way very cheaply and sure enough with a little oil and some tlc it sounds fantastic now. Don Don Robertson wrote: > Hi Smitty, you may have changed the bore and finger holes slightly. If you > haven't dried out the oil as completely as possible do so. I would guess > however you have done that. Next , don't try to wash the chanter this can > only make things worse. Try running a swab through the reed seat hole and > use a Qtip to clean the "rims" of the finger holes. Then, don't panic. I > doubt you have damaged it, you might just need to let the chanter sit out > a bit. If it really sounds bad try a new reed and re-tune with him. The > thing about chanters is they change seasonally anyway. > Cheers > Don > > smitty wrote: > > > I May have just completely F'd up...While oiling my drones for the first > > time in two years, I decided, in my frenzy, to lightly oil my new > > blackwood chanter(which I bought to match my playing partner). We DID > > sound the same ...now what? Am I screwed? I haven't had the guts to play > > tandem with him yet, putting off the horror...Please advise with > > possible help from past experiences. > > Thank you, Smitty - -- PIPER AT LARGE (sdon@utah.uswest.net) White Peaks Pipe Band http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 03:57:44 -0500 From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Y2K/Earth Quaich Brian Counihan wrote: > And to celebrate this momentous occasion, the powers that be (the > Piobaireachd-type Music Society [PMS], the Council of Really Arrogant > Pipers [CRAP], the Society for the Prevention of Interesting Tunes > [SPIT], C'mon, man. You left out the Bagpipe Acoustics Research Foundation! - -- Ewan Macpherson http://www-personal.umich.edu/~emacpher/pipes.html - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 05:32:28 GMT From: ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone I didn't vote. This doesn't mean that the exercise was worthless. I've spent hours listening and comparing and learning. In fact, I think this is the best opportunity for learning outside of a dedicated listening session at a competition, and here you can listen over and over again, and presumably will find out about the different set-ups. You can do neither at a competition. I didn't vote because I did not feel that I was qualified to judge on any objective basis, and my opinion as to what I liked and didn't like was of no use to anyone, including myself. On the other hand, I am beginning to spend some time with the first round of voting results, and expect these results to add to the value of this exercise. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:56:11 -0500 From: Bentley Wall Subject: (bagpipe) North Coast Pipe Band new CD release I posted this at the request of the PM. Sorry about the blatant sales pitch... Bentley Wall - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The North Coast Pipe Band has released a new CD, "The New Crossroads". This CD is the group's second and best recording effort to date. The CD includes the band's competition selections which include a live recording of the group at the 1998 Pleasanton, California Games. Also included are tracks such as "Highland Cathedral" and "Song for Mary" which were recorded using highland pipes, drum set, bass guitar, and keyboard. Also included are "Scotland the Brave" and "Wings" as well as "Amazing Grace" which were recorded with the Edinboro University (Pennsylvania) Symphonic Band. The recording includes Gaelic singing as well as a song/pipe arrangement of "My Heart Will Go On", the theme from the movie "Titanic". CD's are $15 each. Shipping is $2.00 for the 1st CD plus $1 for each additional CD ordered. Cassettes will be available sometime in February. To order, contact me at bconway@conwaygreene.com or go to our website where there is an order form at www.conwaygreene.org . Thanks Barry Conway North Coast Pipe Band www.northcoastpipeband.org - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 1999 14:09:20 GMT From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip) Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone >Bob tells me that only 6 voting sheets were received - >and I know that three of them were from participants - Well that certainly does taint the results! My reasons for not voting were: >2. people didn't feel they were up to "judging". ie: Qualified. I know which ones I preferred, but not the specific reasons why. >5. people thought there were too many variables involved, ie. the quality of >the recordings, to be able to make a fair assessment. Bill Mar a bha, mar a tha, mar a bhitheas gu brath, ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:09:45 -0500 From: Chris Hamilton Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:10:46 -0000, "Christopher Eyre" wrote: > I don't know what the reason for the low turnout was. It could have >been any one of several, as far as I can see: > >1. people were not interested enough. >2. people didn't feel they were up to "judging". >3. people didn't have the time. (It did require a fair bit of careful >listening to do it properly). I was just too busy to listen to all the files over again carefully. Thanks for doing this, Chris - it was fun!!! Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chris Hamilton -- ToneCzar@erols.com City of Washington Pipe Band http://toneczar.freeservers.com/ - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:50 GMT From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Y2K/Earth Quaich In article <385eb72e_2@newsread3.dircon.co.uk>, "JOHN BROADWELL" wrote: > Brian, what a treasure you are, all of this is wonderful and very > imaginative, I have not laughed so much in ages, well done, I shan't even > attempt to add one more to the list, it is complete in itself!! What a > masterpiece!! Brilliant ROTFLOL!!! > > Slainte > > John B. > > Brian Counihan wrote in message <83m09r$c90$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > >Received this through email with a notable who's who in the receiver > >list. > > > >Enjoy! > > Unfortunately as I had pointed out in the beginning, I received this from someone else who had received it from a notable world class piper. In all honesty I cannot take any credit for this brilliant parody of the piping world. It just serves to point out the humor the "upper echelons" still retains. I was just happy to pass it on! - -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:27:15 -0600 From: John Richardson Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots put their Dirks in their Socks On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:44:31 +0100, "Leslie Thomson" wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=222189215 > >What do you think of this?? > >Dirk? in your Sock?? >Ebony? >Leather?? >Silver??? Lets get terminology correct. This is a Skein Bubh (there are many correct spellings), or "Black Knife", a Scots last means of defense. A dirk is a short sword worn on the hand that the Targe (shield) was held with. Decorated Skein Bubhs can sell, because of the art work for $20-150. Dirks, on the other hand run $50-80to700-1000. Just a note. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:38:50 -0500 From: Bob Cameron Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots put their Dirks in their Socks I know I could never outrun a man whose legs were long enough to wear a dirk in his sock I've seen identical sgian dubhs with molded plastic handles. John Richardson wrote: > On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:44:31 +0100, "Leslie Thomson" > wrote: > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=222189215 > > > >What do you think of this?? > > > >Dirk? in your Sock?? > >Ebony? > >Leather?? > >Silver??? > > Lets get terminology correct. This is a Skein Bubh (there are many > correct spellings), or "Black Knife", a Scots last means of defense. > A dirk is a short sword worn on the hand that the Targe (shield) was > held with. Decorated Skein Bubhs can sell, because of the art work > for $20-150. Dirks, on the other hand run $50-80to700-1000. Just a > note. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:22:20 GMT From: aberdeen Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone The tone experiment gave me a much greater respect for what the judges do. After all, we could listen to very short selections and listen to them over and over; unlike the judges who have one shot at it. We were just listening for tone, and overall sound. Judges must also listen for things like fingering, timing, expression, correct setting, etc. And I for one still found it to be pretty difficult. I do understand now why judges often don't try to assign ordinal scores to all the competitors in a contest, but instead ofter will give the top 4, then effectively say "all the rest were tied for 5th". I didn't have that much trouble (relatively) choosing my favorite 5, but beyond that, it became very, very difficult for me to rate them. There are some judges in the newsgroup; hopefully they voted. I'd be very interested to hear their thoughts. Wasn't Peter Anderson trying to get feedback from a judge on the samples provided? Big thanks to Bob and Chris for their efforts in putting this together. All the best, Jim Hudgins In article <19991221003228.25888.00000648@ng-fy1.aol.com>, ccc31807@aol.com (Ccc31807) wrote: > I didn't vote. > > This doesn't mean that the exercise was worthless. I've spent hours listening > and comparing and learning. In fact, I think this is the best opportunity for > learning outside of a dedicated listening session at a competition, and here > you can listen over and over again, and presumably will find out about the > different set-ups. You can do neither at a competition. > > I didn't vote because I did not feel that I was qualified to judge on any > objective basis, and my opinion as to what I liked and didn't like was of no > use to anyone, including myself. On the other hand, I am beginning to spend > some time with the first round of voting results, and expect these results to > add to the value of this exercise. > - -- Jim Hudgins Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:50:33 -0500 From: Doug Campbell Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone Christopher Eyre wrote: > Bob tells me that only 6 voting sheets were received - > and I know that three of them were from participants - one of them being > mine. I don't know what the reason for the low turnout was. It could have > been any one of several, as far as I can see: > > 1. people were not interested enough. > 2. people didn't feel they were up to "judging". > 3. people didn't have the time. (It did require a fair bit of careful > listening to do it properly). I didn't participate because my only access to this group is at work (internet + home = wasted life). I jump in and out based on who is walking by my desk at the moment...and there is no discreet way to sit here listening to bagpipe samples! But thanks to all who did work & help out. Doug C. - -- Every society honors its live conformists and its dead troublemakers. - -- Mignon McLaughlin - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:06:12 -0800 From: Ccc31807 Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Bore Diameter of Drones Surely there is a formula that describes the relationship betweem the diameter of the bore and the pitch of the drone. Anyone know what it is? I'm certain that there are some of us who can play with the numbers and see the function of pitch vs. diameter. (Number: that which makes you numb. (6th grade math joke.)) * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:32:49 GMT From: oshpiper Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone Reed Problem In article <385d1faa_4@127.0.0.1>, "JOHN MITCHELL" wrote: > I see your still being the group idiot! I bow to thee, oh noble leader of the group idiots. I pale in comparison to thee. Pat Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:32:59 GMT From: Brian Counihan Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trend tapering off soon???? In article <83mgh2$9hdi$2@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, wrote: > > I think you are missing something. The commitment required to play this or any other instrument well should weed out the weaklings a lot >faster than any trend. If a trend is what brought them, they will most > certainly leave on the next band wagon. And thank god. People like >that give bagpipes a bad name. Probably for every 10 PC's sold, 6 end up in the bottom of a drawer somewhere. Just like all those poor, unfortunate, uninformed people who are duped into buying Paki Crapi off of ebay think they're going to be the next McCrimmon. But, once they make the purchase they find out how truly demanding it is to master the pipes. It also doesn't take long to figure out 0in your new crop of students, who has potential and who is never going to really be anything better than a parade hack. This instrument is definately Darwinian in nature! - -- Brian C. http://www.stcolumcille.com/ "If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." - Deep Thought, Jack Handy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. - - To unsubscribe to bagpipe, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe bagpipe" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ End of bagpipe-digest V1 #231 ***************************** - To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message. 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