From: owner-beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com (beehive-beemers-digest) To: beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: beehive-beemers-digest V1 #13 Reply-To: beehive-beemers-digest Sender: owner-beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-beehive-beemers-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk beehive-beemers-digest Friday, May 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 013 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 12:32:02 -0600 From: Gavin Wallace Subject: BB: Top ten Top Ten Reasons Why Harley and Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back Submitted By Charles Rocky Pesarino, Motorcycle Online Reader. Top Ten Reasons Why Harley Riders Don't Wave Back 10. Afraid it will invalidate warranty ... 9. Leather and studs make it too hard to raise arm ... 8. Refuses to wave to anyone whose bike is already paid for ... 7. Afraid to let go of handlebars because they might vibrate off... 6. Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos ... 5. Angry because just took out second mortgage to pay luxury tax on new Harley ... 4. Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual and realized H-D is partially owned by those rice-burner manufacturers ... 3. Can't tell if other riders are waving or just reaching to cover their ears like everyone else ... 2. Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back, he impaled his hand on spiked helmet ... And the Number One reason Harley riders don't wave back: 1.They're jealous that after spending $30,000, they still don't own a Gold Wing. Top Ten Reasons Why Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back 10. Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or making an obscene gesture ... 9. Afraid might get frostbite if hand is removed from heated grip ... 8. Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it difficult to raise arm ... 7. Reflection from etched windshield momentarily blinded him... 6. The expresso machine just finished ... 5. Was actually asleep when other rider waved ... 4. Was in a three-way conference call with stock broker and accessories dealer ... 3. Couldn't find the "auto wave back" button on dashboard ... 2. Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, programmable CD player, seat temperature and satellite navigation system ... And the Number One reason Gold Wing riders don't wave back: 1. They couldn't see through the glare from the chromed-dash accents. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:07:40 -0600 From: chrisbriggs@juno.com Subject: Re: BB: Top ten Just read your top tens... I really enjoyed the chuckle... HA! Another BMW rider friend put it a different way... Harley riders like to tick off their probation officers... Gold Wing Riders like to tick off their kids and impress there grand kids with the T-Bear on the trunk... Ride safe... Chris B. 1976 R900/6 On Sat, 23 May 1998 12:32:02 -0600 Gavin Wallace writes: >Top Ten Reasons Why Harley and Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back > >Submitted By Charles Rocky Pesarino, Motorcycle Online Reader. > >Top Ten Reasons Why Harley Riders Don't Wave Back > > 10. Afraid it will invalidate warranty ... > > 9. Leather and studs make it too hard to raise arm ... > > 8. Refuses to wave to anyone whose bike is already paid for ... > > 7. Afraid to let go of handlebars because they might vibrate >off... > > 6. Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos ... > > 5. Angry because just took out second mortgage to pay luxury tax >on >new Harley ... > > 4. Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual and realized >H-D is partially owned by those rice-burner > manufacturers ... > > 3. Can't tell if other riders are waving or just reaching to >cover >their ears like everyone else ... > > 2. Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back, he impaled >his hand on spiked helmet ... > > And the Number One reason Harley riders don't wave back: > > 1.They're jealous that after spending $30,000, they still don't >own >a Gold Wing. > >Top Ten Reasons Why Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back > > 10. Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or making an >obscene >gesture ... > > 9. Afraid might get frostbite if hand is removed from heated grip >... > > 8. Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it difficult to >raise arm ... > > 7. Reflection from etched windshield momentarily blinded him... > > 6. The expresso machine just finished ... > > 5. Was actually asleep when other rider waved ... > > 4. Was in a three-way conference call with stock broker and >accessories dealer ... > > 3. Couldn't find the "auto wave back" button on dashboard ... > > 2. Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, >programmable CD player, seat temperature and satellite > navigation system ... > > And the Number One reason Gold Wing riders don't wave back: > > 1. They couldn't see through the glare from the chromed-dash >accents. > >- > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:56:10 -0600 From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: Mayer Seats Presidents, Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? How does one get in touch with them? I've checked into Corona, Nay. I've checked into Russell, maybe. Now I'd like to check into Mayer. TIA Tom D. High in the Rockies - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:04:14 +0000 From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Tom: Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the patent in the original deal. If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak through if left in the rain. I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip discomfort, etc. Russell!!! Cheers, DeVern On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > Presidents, > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > How does one get in touch with them? > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > TIA > Tom D. > High in the Rockies > > > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:04:14 +0000 From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Tom: Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the patent in the original deal. If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak through if left in the rain. I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip discomfort, etc. Russell!!! Cheers, DeVern On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > Presidents, > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > How does one get in touch with them? > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > TIA > Tom D. > High in the Rockies > > > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:53:50 -0600 From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats You'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin? I personally love my Corbin, though I've never gone over 700mi days - but have gone on 3wk tours with it. I do agree though - if you want to get the advantage that Russell will give you, you really need to do it in person - each seat is built to fit your particular "posterior" Michael DeVern Gerber wrote: > Tom: > > Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at > or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will > need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold > his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal > cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the > sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering > the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still > barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the > patent in the original deal. > > If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an > appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle > is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually > the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, > BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich > between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the > rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak > through if left in the rain. > > I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as > original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on > using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in > 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip > discomfort, etc. > > Russell!!! > > Cheers, > DeVern > > On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > > > Presidents, > > > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > > > How does one get in touch with them? > > > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > > > TIA > > Tom D. > > High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > - > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > '83 R80ST > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:53:50 -0600 From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats You'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin? I personally love my Corbin, though I've never gone over 700mi days - but have gone on 3wk tours with it. I do agree though - if you want to get the advantage that Russell will give you, you really need to do it in person - each seat is built to fit your particular "posterior" Michael DeVern Gerber wrote: > Tom: > > Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at > or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will > need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold > his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal > cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the > sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering > the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still > barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the > patent in the original deal. > > If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an > appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle > is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually > the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, > BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich > between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the > rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak > through if left in the rain. > > I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as > original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on > using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in > 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip > discomfort, etc. > > Russell!!! > > Cheers, > DeVern > > On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > > > Presidents, > > > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > > > How does one get in touch with them? > > > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > > > TIA > > Tom D. > > High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > - > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > '83 R80ST > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:19:32 EDT From: Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Tom: You may want to check with Gary Eagan (581-1740) he has a Mayer seat, on his K1100 LT. As you may know he has run the Iron Butt twice, one once, and has several victories in the 1088. I remember him talking about a new Mayer seat last year at the 49er. Crit - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:23:22 +0000 From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Michael; I too have a Corbin--on my R80ST. I bought it from Mike himself at the 49er in Mariposa. At the time, it was the best combination of looks and comfort that was available in a saddle. Unfortunately, in the last few years things seem to have changed a great deal at Corbin--I haven't seen Mike himself at a rally, even a national, for a long time, and I've talked to very few people who have been happy with the qulity and/or service on their recently purchased Corbins. . So yes, the Corbin on my ST is still a much better saddle than the stocker. And yes, having ridden both, I'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin. And no, you really don't need to do the Russell in person (I didn't). You DO need to send in a good set of photos of yourself sitting on the bike, with someone holding it upright (not on the centerstand). When the saddle arrives Russell asks that you give it at least 1-2k miles before making a decision on it. If you don't like the way it feels they will happily adjust as you request. I've been impressed with their quality and service, as well as with the comfort of the saddle. I think the Mayer is also a quality unit. Perhaps the biggest difference between the two is for those of us in that category of "men of size." The spring setup in the Russell is, IMHO, a more permanent or durable solution than the differing densities of foam that Mayer resorts to handling the "load." And if you're some skinny-assed youngster you shouldn't be worrying about either a Russel or a Mayer or a Corbin-- you should be out riding monoposto on a Duck and telling yourself it feels great.... DeVern On 28 May 98 at 9:53, Michael Scott wrote: > You'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin? I personally love my > Corbin, though I've never gone over 700mi days - but have gone on > 3wk tours with it. > > I do agree though - if you want to get the advantage that Russell > will give you, you really need to do it in person - each seat is > built to fit your particular "posterior" > > Michael > > DeVern Gerber wrote: > > > Tom: > > > > Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at > > or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will > > need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold > > his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal > > cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the > > sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering > > the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still > > barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the > > patent in the original deal. > > > > If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an > > appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle > > is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually > > the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, > > BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich > > between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the > > rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak > > through if left in the rain. > > > > I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as > > original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on > > using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in > > 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip > > discomfort, etc. > > > > Russell!!! > > > > Cheers, > > DeVern > > > > On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > > > > > Presidents, > > > > > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > > > > > How does one get in touch with them? > > > > > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > > > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > > > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > > > > > TIA > > > Tom D. > > > High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > > > '83 R80ST > > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > > > - > > > > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:23:22 +0000 From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Michael; I too have a Corbin--on my R80ST. I bought it from Mike himself at the 49er in Mariposa. At the time, it was the best combination of looks and comfort that was available in a saddle. Unfortunately, in the last few years things seem to have changed a great deal at Corbin--I haven't seen Mike himself at a rally, even a national, for a long time, and I've talked to very few people who have been happy with the qulity and/or service on their recently purchased Corbins. . So yes, the Corbin on my ST is still a much better saddle than the stocker. And yes, having ridden both, I'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin. And no, you really don't need to do the Russell in person (I didn't). You DO need to send in a good set of photos of yourself sitting on the bike, with someone holding it upright (not on the centerstand). When the saddle arrives Russell asks that you give it at least 1-2k miles before making a decision on it. If you don't like the way it feels they will happily adjust as you request. I've been impressed with their quality and service, as well as with the comfort of the saddle. I think the Mayer is also a quality unit. Perhaps the biggest difference between the two is for those of us in that category of "men of size." The spring setup in the Russell is, IMHO, a more permanent or durable solution than the differing densities of foam that Mayer resorts to handling the "load." And if you're some skinny-assed youngster you shouldn't be worrying about either a Russel or a Mayer or a Corbin-- you should be out riding monoposto on a Duck and telling yourself it feels great.... DeVern On 28 May 98 at 9:53, Michael Scott wrote: > You'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin? I personally love my > Corbin, though I've never gone over 700mi days - but have gone on > 3wk tours with it. > > I do agree though - if you want to get the advantage that Russell > will give you, you really need to do it in person - each seat is > built to fit your particular "posterior" > > Michael > > DeVern Gerber wrote: > > > Tom: > > > > Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at > > or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will > > need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold > > his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal > > cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the > > sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering > > the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still > > barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the > > patent in the original deal. > > > > If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an > > appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle > > is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually > > the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, > > BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich > > between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the > > rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak > > through if left in the rain. > > > > I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as > > original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on > > using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in > > 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip > > discomfort, etc. > > > > Russell!!! > > > > Cheers, > > DeVern > > > > On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > > > > > Presidents, > > > > > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > > > > > How does one get in touch with them? > > > > > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > > > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > > > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > > > > > TIA > > > Tom D. > > > High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > > > '83 R80ST > > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > > > - > > > > > - > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:44:16 -0600 From: "Michael Scott" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Too bad about Corbin. Though I haven't met Mike, at the time, I was living in Santa Cruz (this was about 6yrs ago). I went down there on a lark, during my lunch break - just to inquire about them (I've got a Dual Canyon). I actually got to choose colors, piping, and got to watch 'em make the seat right there in front of me. It was quite an experience, and only made for a 2hr lunch break . This was for my '88 K75S, but the seat fits my '96 K1100RS w/o a problem. If what you say is true, I wonder what the quality is like for their new R1200C saddle bags (not that I have any - my ride is a K11RS). Michael DeVern Gerber wrote: > Michael; > > I too have a Corbin--on my R80ST. I bought it from Mike himself at > the 49er in Mariposa. At the time, it was the best combination of > looks and comfort that was available in a saddle. Unfortunately, in > the last few years things seem to have changed a great deal at > Corbin--I haven't seen Mike himself at a rally, even a national, for > a long time, and I've talked to very few people who have been happy > with the qulity and/or service on their recently purchased Corbins. > . > So yes, the Corbin on my ST is still a much better saddle than the > stocker. And yes, having ridden both, I'd recommend a Russell over a > Corbin. And no, you really don't need to do the Russell in person (I > didn't). You DO need to send in a good set of photos of yourself > sitting on the bike, with someone holding it upright (not on the > centerstand). When the saddle arrives Russell asks that you give it > at least 1-2k miles before making a decision on it. If you don't > like the way it feels they will happily adjust as you request. I've > been impressed with their quality and service, as well as with the > comfort of the saddle. > > I think the Mayer is also a quality unit. Perhaps the biggest > difference between the two is for those of us in that category > of "men of size." The spring setup in the Russell is, IMHO, a more > permanent or durable solution than the differing densities of foam > that Mayer resorts to handling the "load." And if you're some > skinny-assed youngster you shouldn't be worrying about either a > Russel or a Mayer or a Corbin-- you should be out riding monoposto on > a Duck and telling yourself it feels great.... > > DeVern > > On 28 May 98 at 9:53, Michael Scott wrote: > > > You'd recommend a Russell over a Corbin? I personally love my > > Corbin, though I've never gone over 700mi days - but have gone on > > 3wk tours with it. > > > > I do agree though - if you want to get the advantage that Russell > > will give you, you really need to do it in person - each seat is > > built to fit your particular "posterior" > > > > Michael > > > > DeVern Gerber wrote: > > > > > Tom: > > > > > > Save yourself the trouble and just order the Russell. If you are at > > > or over 225lbs (and I'm not saying you are, now!) then you will > > > need/want the spring arrangement that only Russell has. Mayer sold > > > his business, the "Day-Long" trademark, and the patented internal > > > cross spring setup to Russell years ago. A non-compete clause in the > > > sale agreement, recently expired, prevented Mayer from re-entering > > > the saddle business until just lately. However, Mayer is still > > > barred from using the internal cross-spring as Russell purchased the > > > patent in the original deal. > > > > > > If you are planning on doing some serious miles, you need to book an > > > appointment with Russell. Just keep telling yourself that the saddle > > > is actually a beautiful work of function over form, and eventually > > > the looks won't bother you (The Mayer is not one bit better looking, > > > BTW). If you want to ride in blue jeans, no leathers or 'Stich > > > between you and the saddle, buy the leather material. And buy the > > > rain cover, as the stitching on the Russell will allow water to soak > > > through if left in the rain. > > > > > > I've done 1500 mile days on my Russell and even though it's ugly as > > > original sin, I wouldn't put anything else on a bike I planned on > > > using for long distance riding. I rode that sucker 10,500 miles in > > > 13 days on last year's Iron Butt and had NO butt aches, hip > > > discomfort, etc. > > > > > > Russell!!! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > DeVern > > > > > > On 28 May 98 at 6:56, tdeaver wrote: > > > > > > > Presidents, > > > > > > > > Does anyone have experience w/ Mayer Seats, pro or con? > > > > > > > > How does one get in touch with them? > > > > > > > > I've checked into Corona, Nay. > > > > I've checked into Russell, maybe. > > > > Now I'd like to check into Mayer. > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > Tom D. > > > > High in the Rockies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > > > > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > > > > > '83 R80ST > > > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net > > 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant > > '83 R80ST > '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) > > - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:12:03 -0600 From: "tdeaver" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats Crit, DeVern, Mike, et al, Thanks for the reply. I've got it down to the Russell or the Mayer. Thank you, Tom D. High in the Rockies - -----Original Message----- From: Swan555@aol.com To: beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 1998 3:22 PM Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats >Tom: >You may want to check with Gary Eagan (581-1740) he has a Mayer seat, on his >K1100 LT. As you may know he has run the Iron Butt twice, one once, and has >several victories in the 1088. I remember him talking about a new Mayer seat >last year at the 49er. >Crit > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:17:50 -0400 From: Jess Jensen Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob OK : WHO SAID DUCK! It's DUC......And it's biposto (thank u).......You kn= ew u would drag me out of the wood work with that- demeaning comment =3Dskinney-assed!"WELL".I'll have u know asses are like= opinions "everybodys got one"!!!!!! All seriousness aside.....Tom : I have heard , from serious but men....Th= at Russell will do a better job of it ,,,,if u send a pitcher of the old dairyair.....That means the wife -( if shes amenable) does th= e deed ..."Sugest the wide angle setting" Or u can do ye old ...set on the office copy machine ,( i personally recomend this one)!Butt (no pun intended)be selective about the time u choose too mount the old copier "this is crucial ,as i w= as not so selective"!!..........However=3D Having owned Cor-bun: seats or saddles , on every motorad,I haver ever owned........I freely admit =3Dworkmenship is less than it has been in the past...Butt......After exchanging a few obscenities and two months= later ,u have a thing of beauty......(JJ) To there credit ....Thay still have the best looking saddle on the market= , in my opinion..... I well like it nomatter what!!! "No what i meen Vern"... = I guess it'= s in our nature to -want to see where we've been.xo-xo-xoxo. = = = = = = = Dedicated.......Bob =3D Just haven= fun = - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:32:49 -0600 From: "tdeaver" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob Bob, If I do the office copier thing is it with or without the clothes? VBG My idea of beauty is in how well the object performs its task, not just how "cute" it looks. So "Butt" ugly can be very beautiful is the butt truly loves the results. Tom D. High in the Rockies - -----Original Message----- From: Jess Jensen To: INTERNET:beehive-beemers@lists.xmission.com Date: Thursday, May 28, 1998 7:19 PM Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob OK : WHO SAID DUCK! It's DUC......And it's biposto (thank u).......You knew u would drag me out of the wood work with that- demeaning comment =skinney-assed!"WELL".I'll have u know asses are like opinions "everybodys got one"!!!!!! All seriousness aside.....Tom : I have heard , from serious but men....That Russell will do a better job of it ,,,,if u send a pitcher of the old dairyair.....That means the wife -( if shes amenable) does the deed ..."Sugest the wide angle setting" Or u can do ye old ...set on the office copy machine ,( i personally recomend this one)!Butt (no pun intended)be selective about the time u choose too mount the old copier "this is crucial ,as i was not so selective"!!..........However= Having owned Cor-bun: seats or saddles , on every motorad,I haver ever owned........I freely admit =workmenship is less than it has been in the past...Butt......After exchanging a few obscenities and two months later ,u have a thing of beauty......(JJ) To there credit ....Thay still have the best looking saddle on the market, in my opinion..... I well like it nomatter what!!! "No what i meen Vern"... I guess it's in our nature to -want to see where we've been.xo-xo-xoxo. Dedicated.......Bob = Just haven fun - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 07:23:38 +0000 From: "DeVern Gerber" Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob CAUTION!! CAUTION!! CAUTION!! CAUTION!! The following exchange contains material which may be considered adult and dangerous in some parts of Utah. Before reading further please answer a few questions: Y N I have an Italian surnamme. Y N I am unable to laugh at myself Y N I consider brand loyalty to be the nee plus ultra of motorcycling Y N I consider Utah County to be *the* home base of Aristotlean logic and personal freedom in the United States If you answered YES to ANY of the above questions, please hit your DELETE key now... On 28 May 98 at 21:17, Bob "The Devil Made Me Advocate It" Jensen wrote: > OK : WHO SAID DUCK! It's DUC..... Nahhh, it's DUCK... As in "Whazzallat duck tape holding together there, eh?? quack, quack..... >.And it's biposto (thank u) Only for the first 100 miles of the ride, at which time it turns to antiposto.... >.......You knew u would drag me out of the wood work with that- > demeaning comment =skinney-assed!" Hey, what can I say--some days the fishing is better than others! Pretty good, though, when I can drag a carpenter out of the woodwork... >WELL".I'll have u know asses are > like opinions "everybodys got one"!!!!!! All seriousness > aside.....Tom : I have heard , from serious but men....That Russell > will do a better job of it ,,,,if u send a pitcher of the old > dairyair.....That means the wife -( if shes amenable) does the deed > ..."Sugest the wide angle setting" Well, assuming that one intends to get a dual saddle built--rider and passenger--the last line of the above comment is going to be seen as cold, really cold, by the passenger. Almost as cold as where you'll be sleeping in the future..... hyuk, hyukk, hyuk. > Or u can do ye old ...set on the > office copy machine ,( i personally recomend this one)!Butt (no pun > intended)be selective about the time u choose too mount the old > copier "this is crucial ,as i was not so > selective"!!.......... Oh wait--this gets better yet! First that "crack" about the wide angle lens, then you want to talk her into the old "park it up here on the xerox" line. We gotta work on yer technique, son, we just gotta work on yer technique! And your judgment, too--I mean, some wild and crazy list member could print off a few thousand copies of your post and have 'em shipped to your house. Yer former passenger could use them to wallpaper the room where you used to live, and you could wad them up and stuff them into the walls of the doghouse you're moving into! I hear wadded paper makes great insulation.... Haaarrggh , Haarrgh, Haarrrgh, haargh, haar, haar, spflitp, spflbtsfk... Oh crap, the milk spraying out of my nose on that one has splattered all over my screen and kybord! Afoaldr drd kw a rfpt!!! >However= Having owned Cor-bun: seats or > saddles , on every motorad,I haver ever owned........I freely admit > =workmenship is less than it has been in the past...Butt......After > exchanging a few obscenities and two months later ,u have a thing of > beauty......(JJ) To there credit ....Thay still have the best > looking saddle on the market, in my opinion..... I well like it > nomatter what!!! > > "No what i meen Vern"... There, got that screen and keyboard cleaned up now. Yeah, I know what you mean. However, you should never forget that a good saddle spends most of it's time being viewed with only one eye....... and a jaundiced one at that! See you (and Linda!) at the next breakfast for more fun, DeVern PS: The folks at Russell just love it when people send in those bum photos. See, they have absolutely NO use for them in building the saddles. There is, however, this dartboard in the lunchroom.... DeVern Gerber gerberd@mtwest.net 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant '83 R80ST '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel" (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:21:43 EDT From: Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob I answered No to all of the questions, what does that mean. Does anyone want to join Valerie and Me and do Trapper's Loop and Monte on Sunday. If so, plan on meeting about 10:00 at the service station at the bottom of Trapper's we will do it, and Monte, turn around and probably grab a sandwich at Chris's in Huntsville. Crit P.S. Bob, when is Doug gong to do you 12k service - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:25:57 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: Re: BB: Mayer Seats "Devils advocate" by Bob I would be interested in the ride Sunday but...Where is Trapper's? Jeb Red GS At 10:21 AM 5/29/98 EDT, you wrote: >I answered No to all of the questions, what does that mean. > >Does anyone want to join Valerie and Me and do Trapper's Loop and Monte on >Sunday. If so, plan on meeting about 10:00 at the service station at the >bottom of Trapper's we will do it, and Monte, turn around and probably grab a >sandwich at Chris's in Huntsville. > >Crit >P.S. Bob, when is Doug gong to do you 12k service > >- > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:27:49 -0600 From: Jeb Berg Subject: BB: Ride June 6th weekend Anyone intersted in a ride south over route 12 next weekend (June 6th and 7th)? - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:07:48 -0600 From: "tdeaver" Subject: BB: M/C Camping Trailer? For whatever it's worth, now that I'm going to get the Russell Seat for the LT, I'm thinking about a very nicely equipped camping trailer that I can pull behind the bike. I know this is sacrilegious to this esteemed body of Presidents, but does any one have experience with camping trailers? Sleeping lofts, basements, generators, private baths w/ hot showers and self-contained galleys are very nice but probably won't fit. Bed for two, rain tight, bug netting, maybe ice chest and some kind of vestibule. Easy setup, ease of towing and quality of construction (for dependability) are also important. Plan to take to rallies, leave it setup and ride bike around location of rally. I know get a D ***&%$ motorhome. Anne, my wife, will not get in one. Says, "It's just like at home, except it moves. That's no vacation" Next bike task is to get her on the bike. Thanks, Tom D. High in the Rockies - - ------------------------------ End of beehive-beemers-digest V1 #13 ************************************