From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #21 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Tuesday, April 15 1997 Volume 01 : Number 021 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: How to become a vampire BUFFY: Angel (long review) Re: BUFFY: Angel Episode [Spoilers] Re: BUFFY: Buffy ep. Angel-Spoiler Re: BUFFY: Hey GASPers Menioned on IE Sorta Re: BUFFY: Angel!!!!!!(spoilers) Re: BUFFY: Send Me An Angel Ooh Ooh Ooh - Spoilers Re: BUFFY: Angel - a review - Spoilers BUFFY: The Master BUFFY: John Woo, anyone? (Angel spoiler) BUFFY: SPOILERS: Angel (Long) BUFFY: WGN stuff Re: BUFFY: The Master BUFFY: Spoiler -- Angel Re: BUFFY: No Inside Edition!!! BUFFY: Giles site and Willow Shrine BUFFY: Angel (spoilers and Giles) Re: BUFFY: The Master BUFFY: Repost of Help! Re: BUFFY: How to become a vampire Re: BUFFY: WGN stuff Re: BUFFY: XAG (was Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..) Re: BUFFY: Angel Re: BUFFY: Send Me An Angel Ooh Ooh Ooh - Spoilers Re: BUFFY: John Woo, anyone? (Angel spoiler) Re: BUFFY: Angel Re: BUFFY: The Master Re: BUFFY: Send Me An Angel Ooh Ooh Ooh - Spoilers Re: BUFFY: Angel BUFFY: Xander comments, minor Angel spoilers (was XAG) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 05:24:14 -0500 From: "Ziggy Becket" Subject: Re: BUFFY: How to become a vampire On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:51:21 -0400 (EDT), Chris McCoy wrote: >Hello..first post >Maybe Im stupid, but how exactly does someone become a vampire? >I thought that when they suck somebody's blood they somehow become one >but that is odviously not true (certain episodes...) Well according to the Vampire Chronicales by Anne Rice, (probably horribly misspelled) the vampire drains the victim of nearly all of his blood. He'd still be alive, but just barely. If he decides that he wants to become a vampire, the "host" vampire would slit his own wrists and let the victim drink his blood. This would then make the victim a vampire. Of course there's some additional throwing up and "trips to the bathroom" to put it nicely, to purge his body of anything human. That's what gives the vampires in Chronicals that pale look. Anyway, that's one way to do it. Anyway if your really interested, read the book and then rent the movie. :) >Although in the first episode Xandar's friend became a Vampire and I >thought all they did was suck his blood.... Ack :( I missed the first ep so I can't really say. :( - --- ziggyb@divideby0.com "I won't be gone long -- if the Apocalypse comes, beep me!" - - Buffy the Vampire Slayer, The Series ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:39:18 -0400 From: William Jensen Subject: BUFFY: Angel (long review) Do I still need the spoiler alert? Oh well, so I won't upset anyone... S P O I L E R S I had a response to "Angel" all typed up...and I thought it was a good response, but I accidently kicked the power switch to my computer. And I lost the email. Oh well...it kinda was a long winded response...but I digress (This is the $.50 version) "Angel" was disappointing, yet interesting. The Buffy writers have me expecting the unexpected now, so revealing that Angel truly is a vamp was disappointing. But then revealing that Angel was a fallen Angel would be disappointing? I supposed the writers felt compelled having Angel a vamp. The show is called "Buffy: the Vampire Slayer" after all. Besides if Angel wasn't a vamp then there's no need for that Darla/Angel seduction scene. And the drama of forcing Buffy to love a man whose kind she's sworn to kill. I must congratulate both the writers and the actor who portrays Angel (sorry I forget his name) for conveying the tortured soul of Angel. Maybe because Angel is so enchanting that I had problems believing him to be the evil Angelos. But I did believe and feel his tortured soul. I saw Angel torn between loving Buffy and snacking on her mom...or even killing Buffy for that matter. The writers also did an excellent job of Angel's backstory. I felt that gave such diminsion to the character, but not too much diminsion. I'm sure there's still a lot about Angel that we don't know. And I must also congratulate the writers for not including a flashback while Angel explained his tale. I know that there are fans or people that have watched Forever Knight and/or Highlander. And from what I've seen of those shows (which isn't much, thank goodness) is that _every_ episode must have a flashback. I've rambled on long enough. But I didn't mention the other actors or the other elements of the episode? Of course SMG's portrayal of Buffy was solid. Definately her best performance as the Slayer. She had such passion and I could feel her loss. We didn't see Giles, Xander (what a silly nickname) nor Willow much. That was purposefully done. They were not the forefront of the episode. This was "Angel" which means the main characters of the episode were Buffy and Angel. And as usual, humor and horror were excellently mixed together. I am, however, more critical of this episode than most because I expected more. The past few episodes the mystery of Angel has been building up to this point in the season. Who's Angel? What's his connection to the Vampires? Why's he helping Buffy? And what's his dark secret? Now that all this is revealed what is to become of our favorite mystery man? When will he show up again? Will he show up again? Whatever the answer, I am confident the show will handle it with the same blend of surpurb acting, drama and writing that fans of "Buffy" have come to expect. Thanks for tolerating this looooooooong review...I'll try to be brief in the future, but I can't guarantee anything. =) William Jensen racer@wam.umd.edu Have you experienced the Edge yet? http://www.wam.umd.edu/~racer/edge.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:43:47 GMT From: flagg@wwa.com (Flagg) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel Episode [Spoilers] On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:47:59 -0400, you wrote: >Y >A >D >D >A >! >Y >A >D >D >A >! . She was >kinda mechanical in her shooting... reminded me of the computer game >Tomb Raider's Lara Croft. Probably because both Tomb Raider's Lara and Darla's shooting scene were both based on John Woo action movie scenes. =46lagg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:47:32 +0000 From: "Augie De Blieck Jr." Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy ep. Angel-Spoiler Hi Naja, > A > N > G > E > L > > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > > > > > > > > Any ways, I love the line Xander gave Cordelia , about her dress > makes her look like a hooker. Yes, but this also makes me wonder what he thinks of Buffy's various short-lengthed attires. ;-) - -Augie, keeper of Buffy's Short Dresses - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Augie De Blieck Jr. * augie@nic.com * VR.5 FAQkeeper Watch VR.5 on The Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday Nights, 10 p.m. EST! Then read the FAQ: http://www.nic.com/~augie/vr5/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:49:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Tomas Clark Subject: Re: BUFFY: Hey GASPers Menioned on IE Sorta Betsy Vera wrote: >> Before I collapse I had to mention that on Inside Edition Tomas Clark >>(the guy I got Mr. Bronstein in touch with in NY) managed to talk about >> Keepers and mentioned the Keeper of Giles' Tea Pot (not by name though >> - which would be Tara, LJC). WHOO HOO! >They didn't just mention the Keepers, they spent longer on the topic than >I thought they would, having the Xander and Angel actors reading the chat >room talk. > >Were any of the fans they showed from this list? *delurk* That would be me, babbling about Giles' teapot and whatnot. I hope I explained "keeping" okay... after all, you guys are the experts, I was just trying to make something up that made sense. ;) *relurk* Tomas Clark tdc8@columbia.edu / tclark@word.com Keeper of... uh... not a whole lot, really! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:47:32 +0000 From: "Augie De Blieck Jr." Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel!!!!!!(spoilers) Hi David, > > > > S > > > > P > > > > O > > > > I > > > > L > > > > E > > > > R > > > > S > > > > I think it would have been REALLY fitting if at some point in the show they showed flashbacks to back when Angel was Angelis the Undead Butcher > from Hell.. would have been interesting.. Yes, it would. It would also be hideously expensive to go through all the costuming and set designing for a couple of minutes of one show. On the other hand, becoming a costume drama with a British cop-star would greatly help its chances at the Oscars next year. - -Augie - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Augie De Blieck Jr. * augie@nic.com * VR.5 FAQkeeper Watch VR.5 on The Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday Nights, 10 p.m. EST! Then read the FAQ: http://www.nic.com/~augie/vr5/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:47:32 +0000 From: "Augie De Blieck Jr." Subject: Re: BUFFY: Send Me An Angel Ooh Ooh Ooh - Spoilers Hi Sonja Marie, Yes, nice subject, indeed. =) > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > S > > Another great ep! But "NKAB.." is still my fave. "NKAB..." is my favorite for humorous episodes. This one gets it for the more dramatic/arc-oriented episodes. It's hard for me to compare the two types. They're accomplishing different things. > Annointed Kid - > Much deeper voice for a kid his age then I would suspect, wonder if They also added to it in post-production. Notice the slight deep echo behind his voice whenever he talks. > The "3" - > Bad memories of a X-Files ep about vampires came to mind when I > heard what those warrior vamps were referred to! And what's with the > Klingon outfits? Heh. I hated that X-Files episode. > Xander and Cordelia- > Loved it! I think my fave line of the show is - "You know. I don't > know what everyone's is talking about - that outfit doesn't make you > look like a hooker" To borrow from Elton John "The B**ch is Back" :D "Hold me closer, Tiny Dancer." > know that already. Oh I found the screaming when Angel showed "his > true demonic visage" out of character, or maybe it was just that it > was a total and utter shock to her. Yeah, that must have been it. I expected a different sorta reaction, like disappointment, but the more I think of it the more the scream may have been in-character. > I think Giles and Buffy's mom might make a interesting, if not cute > couple :D If not on the show at least in fan fic. Oh yeah. There's a TON of room for fan-fic in this show. Anyone who likes researching a lot of stuff could do Angel's life-story. ;-) > Loved the scene where Giles' was *teaching* her the quarterstaff, I'm I was hoping for a good Warner Bros. in-joke there. Something along the lines of "Parry, thrust..." Darn, I can't remember how the rest of it goes - the scene where Daffy and Porky are playing Robin Hood and Daffy is showing how to properly use the quarterstaff. It always ends up bending his bill back. > Buffy's Mom - > Oh her mom needs to buy a clue, my mom would never buy her fake > getting Angel out of the house bit. She (my mom) once kept my sister > talking while she knew a friend was hiding in a freezing closet :D Mom was tired. Fell right asleep. Didn't notice the VERY LOUD two sets of footsteps going up the stairs. Yeah, that's it. > Oh next week is a repeat of "The Witch", maybe I'll review it since I > didn't get to the first time around. Boo-hoo. Maybe I'll rewatch the pilot or something. Or maybe catch up on these X-Files tapes which are piling up. Or ER. . . Or VR.5. Babylon 5 starts anew in a couple of weeks, too. Busy time of year for TV and finals are just around the bend. ARGH! - -Augie - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Augie De Blieck Jr. * augie@nic.com * VR.5 FAQkeeper Watch VR.5 on The Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday Nights, 10 p.m. EST! Then read the FAQ: http://www.nic.com/~augie/vr5/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:56:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Cho Yuk Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel - a review - Spoilers On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Ziggy Becket wrote: > On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:10:46 -0400, Daniel Tropea wrote: > > >Review of the episode about Angel > >s > >p > >o > >i > >l > >e > >r > > > >s > >e > >c > >t > >i > >o > >n > > > [SNIP] > >A) The invitation to come in is the only way > >to allow vampires in and the burned cross > >mark on Angel shows that this show is sticking > >with the classic Christian vampire mythology. > > Actually that invitaiton thing puzzled me. Obviously Buffy invited > Angel into the house the first time (when they were being chased) but > the second time, (when the mom was being attacked) he just barged in. > Now the only explanation I could come up with was that the invitation > from the previous night carried over? Of course this is just > nitpicking. :) It was just puzzleing since Darla made such a big deal > about Mom inviting her in. I think it carries over. Remember _Lost Boys_? One of my favorite vampire flicks. Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 8:37:30 CDT From: Diane Westerfield Subject: BUFFY: The Master Someone on the list asked where they had seen the Master before. The actor who plays him is Mark Metcalf, and you have undoubtedly seen him as the crazed sergeant guy in "Animal House." I thought I recognized his voice and assumed he had been on a Star Trek or Babylon 5 episode as an alien, but I was apparently wrong. The person who runs his web page says that he hasn't been on B5 or any of the ST shows, to the best of her knowledge. His web page address is: www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/8018 I like the Master and I hope he isn't killed off easily. He's a stereotypical baddy, I know, but I was raised on Dr. Who and I can't get enough of Villains (like, say, the Master from Dr. Who!!!). Metcalf does a great job of portraying a cruel, sadistic creature and he looks great in that black leather outfit. It would be a shame if he were supplanted prematurely by the Anointed One, or slain too easily by Buffy. It should take more than a stake through the heart to kill him -- he should get the works (staked, beheaded, burnt, etc,) - --Diane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 8:39:34 CDT From: Diane Westerfield Subject: BUFFY: John Woo, anyone? (Angel spoiler) SPOILER PROTECTION for those of you who haven't seen Angel yet... . . . . . . . . .. .. . . . .. When Darla was blazing away with a gun in each hand, she sure reminded me of Chow Yun Fatt in almost any John Woo movie he's been in. That "shooting with two guns in a prone position" is a classic!!! It was a good idea to go after the slayer with guns, IMO. But she should've brought the duffelbag of machine guns to be really effective. I thought that Angel was a great episode! That kissing drove me wild . . . even though I find Angel too 90120-ish, he really did it for me last night. ;^) - --diane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:40:21 -0400 From: RemencusL@jsc.mil Subject: BUFFY: SPOILERS: Angel (Long) H U R T / C O M F O R T What more could I ask for? NOTHING. In fact, this episode should have carried the warning: "This program is rated PG...some scenes may be too intense for *FEMALE* viewers." After watching the preview many times, I was afraid I'd be disappointed by the episode, but I LOVED it! What's good? Buffy and Angel fighting side-by-side, Buffy and Angel on the run, Buffy bandaging Angel, Xander's lost-puppy attitude, Willow's hopeless romantic sentiment, Mom and Giles, Giles and the quarter staff, Angel and Buffy kiss *twice*, a vampire with guns , a villain we love to hate dies--Darla, Angel angst, Buffy angst...Boy, I love a good tragedy! :-) And I want that last song!!! Who was the singing!?!!! About the writing, I love the team of David and David. David Greenwalt wrote a tight script with fast-past action and believable emotion. Not to mention, he used multiple POV to establish a nice blend of the sardonic and tragic. Seamless writing like this yields not an A and B plot, but a unified whole that takes your breath away. (I think I stopped breathing for about 40 minutes last night--every time Angel was on screen. ) What's more, David Boreanaz handled some pretty non-sequitur Greenwalt dialog beautifully, making it believable. Nothing sounded trite. He delivered those unexpected, but charming lines without making them sound like a come-on. I loved the line, "you even look pretty when you go to sleep." Buffy's response was priceless! After twenty minutes, I was completely happy with the episode. Hey, the first kiss is at the 20-minute mark. Yes, one kiss and I'm happy. OK, is Greenwalt the next incarnation of Shakespeare? Talk about star-crossed lovers and pulling at heart-strings. Buffy and Angel have some wonderful moments together. When they talk over each other in her room, that's real. So often we dance around the truth, trying to avoid rejection. Buffy and Angel are no exception; they have a few wonderful dances that are both old in execution but with a 90s sensibility. Amazing stuff! I am delighted the show explained more of the vampire mythology in this universe. One of my fears was that Angel would be a vampire as outlined before--demonic and soulless. I thought the explanation of why Angel has a soul fit this wonderful universe of vampires, witches, and demons. Surprisingly, the curse in this case is a "good" one if we want Angel to be a "good" vampire. It's easier to identify with a character who struggles with the shadows. Angel is such a beautifully tragic character. Buffy is such a strong character. Despite the fact that she thinks Angel attacked her mom, she throws him out; she doesn't kill him. She realizes that he vamped out not because he lost control, but to show her who he was, something I believe he's been trying to do since the pilot. Further, I think she screams not completely in fear, but in anger for deceiving herself. When he tries again to tell her that he wanted to kill her, when he's convinced it would be better to die, she doesn't buy it. They've been pretending not to care, and they both know it's useless to pretend. The Buffy/Angel relationship is believable because Angel is also a strong character. Angel and Buffy are both outsiders. They understand each other better than they understand themselves. Greenwalt gives us a nice interplay of teen angst and the deeper angst/loneliness of being apart. As the TV Guide said, "destiny brought them together..." The funny thing is that Darla had to explain everything to them. Each feared what the other might think of them. Lovely! Now, just so you don't get me wrong...I don't need to see Angel/Buffy stuff every week, that *would* become trite. No, maybe every fourth episode or so, I'd like to see them again. :-) Until I can think of more, I close this already long post. Leslie "...so he's a honey..." --Buffy, BtVS ~Natpack~HPotCoS~GASRer: Keeper of the Car Keys LaremyB@aol.com or RemencusL@jsc.mil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:43:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Betsy Vera Subject: BUFFY: WGN stuff For WGN watchers: There was a note during last night's (April 14/15) episode that the next episode would be shown at a "special" day and time: Saturday, April 26. I may have misread this, so could someone else who watched (and taped) it on WGN confirm this, and check the time? Thanks. Betsy - bentley@umich.edu Fanfic Resources: www-personal.umich.edu/~bentley/ Natpack/CohenHead/DDEB2/PotCoS/GASPer/BHarbour Genealogist "...smart enough to get the hell out of the library when The Pack arrived. Smart. Very smart." - Sharon H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Gail Celio Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Master On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Diane Westerfield wrote: > Someone on the list asked where they had seen the Master before. The > actor who plays him is Mark Metcalf, and you have undoubtedly seen him > as the crazed sergeant guy in "Animal House." I thought I recognized > his voice and assumed he had been on a Star Trek or Babylon 5 episode > as an alien, but I was apparently wrong. The person who runs his web > page says that he hasn't been on B5 or any of the ST shows, to the > best of her knowledge. His voice sounded familiar to me, too, but I think I know why. With the prosthetics over his teeth, he has that characteristic "alien speech impediment" that Ferengi and some Klingons suffer from, among others. :) - --Gail ObBVSQ: "Wanna free drink?" - Willow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:01:33 CST From: "D.L. Solomon" Subject: BUFFY: Spoiler -- Angel Hi, all -- I've been giving some thought to Angel's history. S P O I L E R S P A C E As Angel related his story of regaining his soul (and his conscience), I couldn't help thinking about Methos on Highlander. He, too, killed people w/o a second thought and later had regrets. But we still haven't learned what changed Methos as we have learned with Angel. Anyway, I thought that this was one of the best. (I seem to say that every week -- except for "Teacher's Pet." ) Good character development for both Buffy and Angel. And, as usual, it's the little things that stick with me most: Giles, who does know how to use those weapons, still had never faced someone with Buffy's powers, so he was knocked flat on his ass ; Angel's obvious distress when being presented with a warm body to feed off of ; Buffy's mom's pleasant surprise when learning how *caring* Giles was (yes, they might make an interesting pair -- but first I want Buffy and Giles to sit her down and tell her what's going on) ; Buffy fear and courage and ultimate compassion when confronting Angel's true nature ; and finally, the impression of the cross burned into Angel's skin after he and Buffy kissed that last time. I don't know when we'll see Angel again, but I wonder if he'll be the one to kill "The Annointed One." Killing a child -- even a "demon" child -- will be a tough one to pull off on TV. I think the only way that they can get away with it is to have the Master do it. Or they might just let him get away and never be seen again. Donna Giles Appreciation Society Panter: Bandager of Boo-Boos D.L. Solomon solomon@library.uta.edu "I don't take things for granite cause that's what tombstones are made of." -- Hank the Cowdog. (Hank the Cowdog, Book #1) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:33:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Anime Nut Subject: Re: BUFFY: No Inside Edition!!! On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 LASK3@aol.com wrote: DON'T WORRY, ALL SPOILERS DELETED > You don't understand guys, this episode had me wishing commercials (Even the > dancing bears pepsi commercial) didn't exist. My emotions were really high > up too. > Love > Catalina I really have to disagree with you on this point, Cat. In my personal opinion, "Angel" was simply the greatest sixty minutes ever shown on television. But wait, episodes are really only 48 minutes, with about 12 minutes of commercials, right? That's where we differ. Last night's episode will hopefully set a standard for television in the future. Every commercial break, and I mean every, was so ingeniously placed. There wasn't a single commercial break where I wasn't left dazed from the events leading up to the break. Each commercial break was perfectly utilized as an extension for the suspense in the show. I could not even make a bathroom trip during the commercials, because I could not risk missing what was going to happen the second the show came back on. My congrats go out to the writers, editors, and everyone else who put this masterpiece on the air. This episode was truly something special. Cheers, Anime Nut ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) Alan Hufana ahufan1@uic.edu ******HOMEPAGE****** http://www2.uic.edu/~ahufan1 ******HOMEPAGE****** "Don't point that pea shooter at me, kid, the enemy's behind you!" --Jusepi Myart in _Wicked City_ "Chewie, take the professor here to the back and plug him into the hyperdrive!" "I really can't understand human behavior!" --Han Solo and C-3P0 in _The Empire Strikes Back_ "What I meant was--I can't say, because there are pre-school toys present." --Woody in _Toy Story_ Ah yes, nothing makes me happier than the three great pleasures this planet has to offer: Anime, Star Wars, and anything Disney. Whether it's live, on paper, on tv, or on the silver screen, I just can't get enough! -Alan "Anime Nut" Hufana ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:30:13 GMT+0100 From: "Ilyuschka Toth" Subject: BUFFY: Giles site and Willow Shrine BtVSers: I've just finished putting up a very small shrine to Willow Rosenberg, since I haven't seen anything up for her, yet, at www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7779/willow.html. It's also linked to a Giles site, at giles.html. Enjoy! Elaine ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? emc@titan.bke.hu -- Cousin -- Phan -- Questor Sampsonite -- GASPer -- Keeper of the Dread Machine www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7779/giles.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: aduty@norfolk.infi.net (Andrew Duty) Subject: BUFFY: Angel (spoilers and Giles) OK Ive had a time for the ep to sink in and read a few comments so..... Spoilers V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V Im glad some people have already speculated about Giles and Buffy's mom. Now they just met so it really wasnt a time to really get to know each other but down the line I could see the two getting together. I mean at its core alot of the show is about relationships. There would be a lot of story potential if Giles and Buffy's mom started dating. The show is building things slowly which is good but it definitely has a feel that it is all going somewhere. Giles has already become something of a father figure to the group and I dont think its a coincidence that Buffy's mom is single. As for Buffy and Angel. The star-crossed lovers thing is great. It keeps things interesting for those that think a permanent relationship would ruin the show (ala Lois and Clark or Scully and Mulder) and keeps the hope up that the could finally somehow find happiness together. I also really dug the burned cross at the end. The Other Andrew (maybe I should just type TOA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:25:18 GMT From: Flagg@wwa.com (Randall Flagg) Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Master On Tue, 15 Apr 97 8:37:30 CDT, you wrote: > > >Someone on the list asked where they had seen the Master before. The >actor who plays him is Mark Metcalf, and you have undoubtedly seen him >as the crazed sergeant guy in "Animal House." I thought I recognized >his voice and assumed he had been on a Star Trek or Babylon 5 episode >as an alien, but I was apparently wrong. The person who runs his web >page says that he hasn't been on B5 or any of the ST shows, to the >best of her knowledge. > >His web page address is: www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/8018 > >I like the Master and I hope he isn't killed off easily. He's a >stereotypical baddy, I know, but I was raised on Dr. Who and I can't >get enough of Villains (like, say, the Master from Dr. Who!!!). >Metcalf does a great job of portraying a cruel, sadistic creature >and he looks great in that black leather outfit. It would be a shame >if he were supplanted prematurely by the Anointed One, or slain too >easily by Buffy. It should take more than a stake through the heart >to kill him -- he should get the works (staked, beheaded, burnt, etc,) > >--Diane > > > NOW I know where I remember him from...I think he was in that OLD OLD "Twisted Sister" video (really dating myself I guess...hated the band, but saw that video a million times on MTV back in the dorm days) where he plays some kid's father screaming in his face "what are you going to do with your life?"... "We're not gonna take it" I think was the title... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jubal01@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Repost of Help! America Online was acting up when I sent my message so I'm not sure if it went through. I'm sorry if this shows up twice. Five minutes ago, I'm all ready with my remote and VCR to tape the Angel episode... I turn on the television... Baywatch! Nooo!!! I don't know what's wrong with me but for some reason I thought Buffy was on at 11:30 pm tonight. Could someone please help an overwrought fan by making a copy of tonights episode? I will gladly pay for the tape, the postage and your time. I also have all the rest of the episodes on tape if you want to trade. Please help. Trying to compose myself Mara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:25:41 GMT From: Flagg@wwa.com (Randall Flagg) Subject: Re: BUFFY: How to become a vampire On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:51:21 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >Hello..first post >Maybe Im stupid, but how exactly does someone become a vampire? >I thought that when they suck somebody's blood they somehow become one >but that is odviously not true (certain episodes...) > >Although in the first episode Xandar's friend became a Vampire and I >thought all they did was suck his blood.... \ Well, to paraphrase Buffy from the pilot episode "first they suck your blood, then you have to suck their blood. It's like a really big sucking thing. Usually they just kill you." So just having them drink YOUR blood isn't enough. You have to also drink the vampire's blood. =46lagg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:25:56 GMT From: Flagg@wwa.com (Randall Flagg) Subject: Re: BUFFY: WGN stuff On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:43:00 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >For WGN watchers: There was a note during last night's (April 14/15)=20 >episode that the next episode would be shown at a "special" day and = time: >Saturday, April 26.=20 > >I may have misread this, so could someone else who watched (and taped) = it >on WGN confirm this, and check the time? Thanks.=20 Yes, it's true...I posted this a week or so back after checking the April Cable guide... April 26 8:00 pm. The next episode after THAT one is on a different day as well, not until sometime in the first week of May. =46lagg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:20:17 -0400 From: Skywalker Girl/ Clare Moseley Subject: Re: BUFFY: XAG (was Re: BUFFY: buffy/highlander correlation..) >Catalina (LASK3@aol.com) sez: >:::Getting an idea everyone's gonna kill me for.... a XANDER >affiliation:::: > >XAG: Xander Affiliation Group! Yes! Muhahaha! > >XanderPhile or X-Phile for short :P (unless those ppl at FOX copyright >fan affiliation groups as well...) > >(Try and kill *this* thread, Jill! :P) Oh yeah! Xander is hot! Angel has nothing on him! For some reason I always fall for the geeky hunks........... Clare Moseley @''@ @''@ @''@ @''@ @''@ @''@ @''@ @''@ @''@ @''@ @''@ @''@ NOTES TO SELF (Or Stuff I've learned from Star Wars): 1. Whining about something never helps. (Tosche Station in ANH) 2. Maybe we SHOULD listen to the protocol droid just this once... 3. Short green guys with big ears can be more than they seem. 4. Make sure to tell your lover that you have a brother first. 5. Don't ever fake left, you'll lose a hand. MORE NOTES TO SELF (Or The Main Thing I Learned From Sliders): 1. Never activate the timer early. From Clare Moseley mailto:dmoseley@mailserv.interhop.net http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/8735/index.html Star Wars & Sliders Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7942/index.html My Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:49:54 +0100 From: Rich & Terry Pfeifer Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel Kepping the: >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > > > > >I can't believe so many people still want >to see Buffy and Angel together! What kind >of future could they have? Is Giles going to >suddenly find a cure for vampirism? I remember an *awful* movie about vampires where they did, indeed "cure" vampirism. They completely transfused the blood of the "vampire" with human blood, and he was fine again. Seemed a little simplistic at the time. But of course, I can't remember the name of the movie? Any help here, guys? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "David H. Yu" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Send Me An Angel Ooh Ooh Ooh - Spoilers Sonia Marie wrote: > either! On my lists this would be referred to as flaming, if you > don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything! You know that > little button that says "Del", it stands for Delete, it makes posts > you don't want to read magically go away, ooh! Nuff said! I thought that little button stood for "Deliver"... > > Oh next week is a repeat of "The Witch", maybe I'll review it since I > didn't get to the first time around. This ep is my fave... Also, I think I've decided to call myself a Willow Watcher and be done w/ it. Please, all others follow suit, unless you can come up w/ a much better name (and in the process put ListMom Jill to shame for her poor penance). -- Preparing a "Head Willow Watcher" sign to stick next to my rock, Oom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:57:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Christina Lui Subject: Re: BUFFY: John Woo, anyone? (Angel spoiler) On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Diane Westerfield wrote: > SPOILER PROTECTION for those of you who haven't seen Angel yet... > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > .. > > .. > . > . > . > .. > > > When Darla was blazing away with a gun in each hand, she sure reminded > me of Chow Yun Fatt in almost any John Woo movie he's been in. That > "shooting with two guns in a prone position" is a classic!!! It was a > good idea to go after the slayer with guns, IMO. But she should've > brought the duffelbag of machine guns to be really effective. It was definitely an homage to John Woo, whose emblem has become standard for lots of action flicks now. But if it was really John Woo, both Buffy and Angel would have been shot with a million rounds of bullets, and then died, crawling towards each other, a la _The Killer_. ********************************************************************** Christina and Corin Newbury: So what do you do? Seattle, WA, U.S.A. Blank: I'm a professional killer. clui@u.washington.edu Newbury: Good for you! Growth industry. --Grosse Point Blank ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Christina Lui Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, Rich & Terry Pfeifer wrote: > Kepping the: > >S > >P > >O > >I > >L > >E > >R > > > > > > > > ... > I remember an *awful* movie about vampires where they did, indeed "cure" > vampirism. They completely transfused the blood of the "vampire" with human > blood, and he was fine again. Seemed a little simplistic at the time. > > But of course, I can't remember the name of the movie? Any help here, guys? If you're talking about Kathleen the Great Bigelow's _Near Dark_ with Adrian Pasdar and Lance Henriksen as the evil head vampire, then I'm afraid I must disagree with you. I thought it was a bit romanticised, but overall quite a brilliant film. ********************************************************************** Christina and Corin Newbury: So what do you do? Seattle, WA, U.S.A. Blank: I'm a professional killer. clui@u.washington.edu Newbury: Good for you! Growth industry. --Grosse Point Blank ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:09:01 +0100 From: Rich & Terry Pfeifer Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Master >Someone on the list asked where they had seen the Master before. The >actor who plays him is Mark Metcalf, and you have undoubtedly seen him >as the crazed sergeant guy in "Animal House." The "you're worthless & weak" guy? The one parodied on the Twisted Sister video (don't ask why i remember these things, I just do!) Cool! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:04:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Betsy Vera Subject: Re: BUFFY: Send Me An Angel Ooh Ooh Ooh - Spoilers On Tue, 15 Apr 1997, David H. Yu wrote: > Also, I think I've decided to call myself a Willow Watcher and be done w/ > it. Please, all others follow suit, unless you can come up w/ a much > better name (and in the process put ListMom Jill to shame for her poor > penance). I thought it was Watcher of Willow (WoW). (so it takes up less space on .sig files, such as mine. See, I already added it). :-) Betsy - bentley@umich.edu Fanfic Resources: www-personal.umich.edu/~bentley/ Natpack/CohenHead/DDEB2/PotCoS/GASPer/WoW/BHarbour Genealogist "...smart enough to get the hell out of the library when The Pack arrived. Smart. Very smart." - Sharon H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:10:56 -0400 From: "Tiffany A. White" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel At 01:49 PM 4/15/97 +0100, you wrote: >Kepping the: >>S >>P >>O >>I >>L >>E >>R >> >> >> >> >>I can't believe so many people still want >>to see Buffy and Angel together! What kind >>of future could they have? Is Giles going to >>suddenly find a cure for vampirism? > >I remember an *awful* movie about vampires where they did, indeed "cure" >vampirism. They completely transfused the blood of the "vampire" with human >blood, and he was fine again. Seemed a little simplistic at the time. > >But of course, I can't remember the name of the movie? Any help here, guys? > "Near Dark" Had Lance Henrickson (Millenium) & Bill Paxton (Twister) in it. I nicked it the Hillbilly Vampires. Tiffany, who has a paper due tomorrow and another Thursday but has yet to start cause apparently her Chess webpage is more important.... GASP!--- Keeper of the God-ugly car. PWFC, "Frick" of Frick & Frack Press, co-editor "Heroes" & "Everything But..." Visit http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/4306 Welcome to the Game. Trust No One. And remember, last one with her head, wins! So many people to kill... so little time... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 11:33:49 -0700 (PDT) From: otte@impind.caltech.edu (Jennifer Ottesen) Subject: BUFFY: Xander comments, minor Angel spoilers (was XAG) WARNING: Xander-negative comments below! Also spoilers for Angel included S P O I L E R S P A C E (Sorry - my mailer doesn't do attributions well - Clare Moseley says: > > Oh yeah! Xander is hot! Angel has nothing on him! For some reason I always > fall for the geeky hunks........... > The more I see of Xander, the less I like him. Sure, he's attractive. But he also seems to be one of the slimiest, least sympathetic characters on the show, who they try to present in a humorous, sympathetic manner. A few specfic things that bother me, presented as examples of behavioral trends: 1) He's a voyeur. Buffy asks him to look away while she changes - so he tries to set up her bureau mirror to watch her anyway. Admittedly, I asked a few of my male friends about this and 33% (of a sample of 3) said they wouldn't know how they would deal with the situation unless it came up, but might be tempted to go the mirror route (the other 2/3 were horrified by the idea). So maybe this behavior is more prevalent than I had previously thought. But what a horrid idea... 2) Unhealthily obsessed with Buffy. This presents itself as all sorts of anti-social behaviors. a) Refusal to listen to Buffy's wishes. First presented in The Witch - Buffy comes straight out and tells him she's not interested (albeit while she's 'drunk'). The least he could do is hide his all too blatant interest - it's not that hard to do. b) Cruelty to Willow. We see in The Pack that he is at least aware that Willow is overly fond of him. But he _still_ talks about Buffy to her all the time. Least he could do here is keep quiet. Once again it's not that hard to do. c) Aggressive behavior towards any of Buffy's suitors. Used for 'humor' value in NKABOTFD, in his antagonism towards Owen. But I know that if I were Buffy, I'd be less than happy with my 'friend' trying to sabotage my date. In Angel... well, let's just say that I wanted to put a stake through his heart. Buffy is in obvious torment about someone she loves - Xander's response is 'Kill him.' Sure, Xander is blind. But not _that_ blind. 3) Unhealthily obsessed with the fmale sex in general, above and beyond societal constraints. Case in point: the dance floor in Angel. He hits on a girl he knows is 'taken', and regrets it only when her big buff boyfriend threatens him. Slimy slimy slimy behavior again. 4) General behavior befitting a not-nice-person. Once again, case in point the dance floor in Angel. Cordelia is not a nice person, but did she really deserved to be told she looked like a hooker? I wanted to slap him. Or the lipstick scene in NKABOTFD, in which he goes out of his way to try to instill very negative feelings in Buffy, about herself and the image her normal mode of dress presents. Yes, I know, Xander occasionally has his moments ('Nobody messes with my Willow', 'I don't have to look because I'm not threatened') when he seems almost human. But in general, I've taken to shuddering when he appears on the screen. I used to wish he and Willow would end up together. Now I just wish Willow would find someone else worthy of her. I value trust, and I'm not sure I could ever trust Xander as a friend, with the way he has so far been shown to behave. Jen ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #21 ************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-buffy": subscribe buffy-digest local-buffy@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "buffy-digest" in the commands above with "buffy". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/buffy/archive. These are organized by date.