From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #60 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Wednesday, May 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 060 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: RE: Crossovers I would like to see ... -Reply -Reply Re: BUFFY: Buffy question:In a fight Buffy vs The Highlander? Re: BUFFY: "The Puppet Show" quote list Re: BUFFY: Willow's hair color Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? BUFFY: New Anita book is out BUFFY: ratings Re: BUFFY: Buffy question:In a fight Buffy vs The Highlander? BUFFY: Keepers of What? BUFFY: keeper of... RE: BUFFY: Angel for next season BUFFY: BUFFY's Joss Whedon and Bionic Script? Re: BUFFY: Angel for next season Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? Re: BUFFY: Willow, Angel Acronyms and Stuff Re: BUFFY: Next Week's previews BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers) Re: BUFFY: ratings BUFFY: SPOILER for May 19 Re: BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers) Re: BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers) BUFFY: keeper of... BUFFY: Buffy on Headline News Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? Re: BUFFY: SPOILER for May 19 Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? Re: BUFFY: "Keeping" stuff Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? BUFFY: h[D Re: BUFFY: h[D Re: BUFFY: Next Week's previews Re: BUFFY: Willow, Angel Acronyms and Stuff Re: BUFFY: "The Puppet Show" quote list (spoilers) Re: BUFFY: Boots (was "keeping stuff") See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 20:56:53 -0400 From: Benjamin Z-Church Subject: Re: BUFFY: RE: Crossovers I would like to see ... -Reply -Reply How about a Buffy/Hellraiser crossover? Ben "I've fallen and I can't get up!" Church ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: DaBill@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy question:In a fight Buffy vs The Highlander? In a message dated 97-05-06 20:56:13 EDT, aduty@norfolk.infi.net (Andrew Duty) writes: << >I go with the Highlander.I like Buffy but one wack with the sword. >Hasta la Vista Baby. What do you think? > Lance C >"Friends dont shake hands. Friends gotta hug!!!" Yeah but Buffy gets by with help from her friends. Duncan fights alone. Take last night for instance, Xander holds the guillotine, Sid whacks the demon from behind, and Buffy throws it into the slice and dice. I'd pit Buffy and gang against Duncan any day. Andrew - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------------- Buffy would slay the highlander in a matter of heartbeats Buffy: We haven't been properly introduced! I'm Buffy and you're...history! Duncan: (-DEAD-) :-( that is what would happen Bill Vellucci DaBill@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: CREATVJUSZ@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: "The Puppet Show" quote list In a message dated 5/6/97 12:23:05 PM, you wrote: <> what was it that Xander said after that line? Brenda Creatvjusz@aol.com (Proud) Keeper of Willow's Rubber Duckie T-shirt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 97 21:07:11 PDT From: James Walsh Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow's hair color iv noticed its become reder aswell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 20:48:34 -0500 From: David Rieck Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? At 08:27 PM 5/6/97 -0400, Piper wrote: >So, there could be say, five teenage vampire "killers" out there now. And >Buffy, being a virtuoso, is the "Slayer". Kinda like tryouts. I don't know about >this. The other girls would be pissed as hell if they found out. Well, not necessarily. Buffy really has yet to accept the job. She didn't want it to begin with. Would any of the other girls want to be stuck with it either? I mean, running around jabbing vampires with wooden stakes isn't the most attractive career choice. But hey, somebody's got to do it. What would we do without our weekly dose of demon jabbing? :) David Rieck ---- "Actually this is a common misconception...I do *not* in fact have a lot of time on my hands at all! I just have a very very very very bad sense of priorities." -- Dean Engelhardt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:16:39 -0400 (EDT) From: SS1395@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: New Anita book is out The new Anita Blake book is in stores now, and so far its great. Its called Killing Dance. Back to Buffy I love the humor of this show. I wonder, does anyone know if Armin Shimmerman will be a recurring character? It seems so. It would be weird, the same actor on my 2 favorate shows. Some times, when the principal was talking, I was picturing Quark, especially when they were at the end of the dark theater. By the way, I asked Ronald D. Moore about the Trek similarities, and he had no idea, he has never seen the show, but he will watch next week to see. His wife is NOT Gail Berman Shona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:09:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Xinlei Du Subject: BUFFY: ratings > Prime-time ratings as compiled by Nielsen Media Research for >April 28-04. Top 20 listings include the week's ranking, with >rating for the week, season-to-date rankings in parentheses, and >total homes. > An ``X'' in parentheses denotes one-time-only presentation. A >rating measures the percentage of the nation's 97.0 million TV >homes. Each ratings point represents 970,000 households. > 1. (X) ``Ellen,'' ABC, 23.4, 22.7 million homes > 2. (1) ``ER,'' NBC, 22.2, 21.5 million homes > 3. (2) ``Seinfeld,'' NBC, 20.3, 19.7 million homes > 4. (14) ``PrimeTime Live,'' ABC, 16.8, 16.3 million homes > 5. (4) ``Friends,'' NBC, 16.6 , 16.1 million homes > 6. (4) ``Fired Up,'' NBC, 15.5 , 15.0 million homes > 7. (3) ``Suddenly Susan,'' NBC, 15.2, 14.7 million homes > 8. (X) ``ABC Sunday Night Movie: Forrest Gump,'' ABC, 14.5, 14.1 >million homes > 9. (10) ``Touched by an Angel,'' CBS, 14.0 , 13.6 million homes > 10. (9) ``Home Improvement,'' ABC, 12.7, 12.3 million homes > 11. (X) ``World Premiere Movie: Walker, Sons of Thunder,'' CBS, >12.2, 11.8 million homes > 12. (13) ``NYPD Blue,'' ABC, 12.1, 11.7 million homes > 12. (X) ``Stephen King's The Shining'' ABC, 12.1, 11.7 million >homes > 14. (X) ``Stephen King's The Shining'' ABC, 11.9, 11.5 million >homes > 14. (11) ``60 Minutes,'' CBS, 11.9, 11.5 million homes > 16. (12) ``20/20,'' ABC, 11.6, 11.3 million homes > 17. (X) ``Chicago Hope,'' CBS 11.4, 11.1 million homes > 17. (X) ``Grace Under Fire,'' ABC, 11.4, 11.1 million homes > 17. (20) ``NBC Sunday Night Movie: Robin Cook's Invasion PT 1,'' >NBC, 11.4, 11.1 million homes > 17. (23) ``Walker, Texas Ranger,'' CBS, 11.4, 11.1 million homes > 21. ``Frasier,'' NBC, 11.2 > 22. ``Dateline NBC,'' (Tuesday) NBC, 10.6 > 22. ``X-Files,'' Fox, 10.6 > 24. ``Cybill,'' CBS, 10.5 > 25. (X) ``Drew Carey Show,'' ABC, 10.2 > 26. ``Dateline NBC,'' (Friday) 10.1 > 26. ``Spin City,'' ABC, 10.1 > 28. ``Ink,'' CBS, 9.9 > 28. ``Mad About You,'' NBC, 9.9 > 30. ``CBS Tuesday Movie: Too Close To Home,'' CBS, 9.7 > 30. ``Cosby,'' CBS, 9.7 > 30. ``Law And Order,'' NBC, 9.7 > 30. ``NBC Monday Night Movie: The Sleepwalker Killing,'' NBC, >9.7 > 34. ``Soul Man,'' ABC, 9.5 > 35. ``FOX Tuesday Movie: The Mask,'' FOX, 9.4 > 36. ``Murphy Brown,'' CBS, 9.3 > 37. ``Diagnosis Murder,'' CBS, 8.9 > 37. ``3rd Rock From the Sun,'' NBC, 8.9 > 37. ``Sabrina, the Teenage Witch,'' ABC, 8.9 > 40. ``Early Edition,'' CBS, 8.7 > 40. (X) ``Home Improvement,'' ABC, 8.7 > 42. ``48 Hours,'' CBS, 8.6 > 43. ``Step by Step,'' ABC, 8.5 > 44. ``Melrose Place,'' Fox, 8.4 > 44. ``Nanny,'' CBS, 8.4 > 44. ``Touched by an Angel,'' CBS, 8.4 > 47. ``Boy Meets World,'' ABC, 8.3 > 48. (X) ``Candid Camera Across Ameria,'' CBS, 8.2 > 48. ``King of the Hill,'' Fox, 8.2 > 50. ``Promised Land,'' 8.0 > 50. ``3rd Rock From the Sun,'' NBC, 8.0 > 52. ``CBS Wednesday Movie: The Absolute Truth,'' CBS, 7.9 > 52. ``Unsolved Mysteries,'' NBC, 7.9 > 54. ``Homicide: Life on the Street,'' NBC, 7.8 > 54. ``Something So Right,'' NBC, 7.8 > 56. ``Beverly Hills, 90210,'' Fox, 7.7 > 56. ``Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman,'' CBS, 7.7 > 56. ``NBC Movie of The Week: Ace Ventura: Pet Detective,'' NBC, >7.7 > 56. ``Simpsons,'' Fox, 7.7 > 60. ``Family Matters,'' ABC, 7.5 > 61. ``Jeff Foxworthy,'' NBC, 7.3 > 61. ``Nash Bridges,'' CBS, 7.3 > 63. ``Dave's World,'' CBS, 7.2 > 63. (X) ``I Am Your Child,'' ABC, 7.2 > 65. (X) ``Married With Children,'' FOX, 7.0 > 66. (X) ``Boston Common,'' NBC, 6.9 > 66. ``Married With Children,'' FOX, 6.9 > 68. ``Millennium,'' Fox, 6.8 > 69. ``America's Funniest Home Videos 2,'' ABC, 6.6 > 70. (X) ``Ordinary Extraordinary,'' CBS, 6.5 > 71. ``NBC Movie of The Week: Interview With a Vampire,'' NBC, >6.4 > 72. ``High Incident,'' ABC, 5.8 > 72. ``Martin,'' Fox, 5.8 > 72. (X) ``Pretender,'' NBC, 5.8 > 75. ``Cops 2,'' Fox, 5.7 > 76. ``America's Funniest Home Videos,'' ABC, 5.6 > 76. ``New York Undercover,'' Fox, 5.6 > 76. ``Sliders,'' Fox, 5.6 > 79. ``AMW: America Fights Back,'' FOX, 5.5 > 80. ``Cops,'' Fox, 5.0 > 80. ``Saturday Night At The Movies: Andre,'' ABC, 5.0 > 82. ``Star Trek: Voyager,'' UPN, 4.4 > 83. ``Gun,'' ABC, 4.2 > 84. ``Pacific Palisades,'' Fox, 4.1 > 85. (X) ``World's Great Animal Outakes,'' FOX, 3.9 > 86. ``Malcolm and Eddie,'' UPN, 3.7 > 87. ``In The House,'' UPN, 3.1 > 87. ``Sentinel,'' UPN, 3.1 > 89. ``Sparks,'' UPN, 3.0 > 90. ``Jamie Foxx Show,'' WB, 2.9 > 91. ``Goode Behavior,'' UPN, 2.7 > 91. ``Moesha,'' UPN, 2.7 > 91. ``Smart Guy,'' WB, 2.7 > 91. ``Wayans Brothers,'' WB, 2.7 > 95. ``Steve Harvey Show,'' WB, 2.4 > 96. ``Sister, Sister,'' WB, 2.3 > 96. ``Unhappily Ever After,'' WB, 2.3 > 98. ``Burning Zone,'' UPN, 2.2 > 98. (X) ``Unhappily Ever After,'' WB, 2.2 > 100. ``Parent 'Hood,'' WB, 2.0 > 101. ``Brotherly Love,'' (Sunday) WB, 1.9 > 101. ``7th Heaven,'' WB, 1.9 > 103. ``Home Boys In Outer Space,'' UPN, 1.8 > 103. ``Nick Freno: License to Teach,'' WB, 1.8 > 105. ``Buffy, The Vampire Slayer,'' WB, 1.7 > 106. (X) ``NHL Playoffs Postgame: Anaheim at Detroit,'' FOX, 1.3 > AP-NY-05-06-97 1800EDT ************************************************************ "To read make our English good." ---Xander Harris "Testosterone is an equalizer, it turns all men into morons." ---Rupert Giles ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:38:15 -0400 From: Piper Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy question:In a fight Buffy vs The Highlander? > Besides, MacLeod hates to fight women. If, someway, somehow, they did > get into a fight to the death, he'd be so busy agonizing over having to whack > her that she'd have him staked and be on her way to the Bronze before he > knew what was going on. > > Now if Methos were around... > > Chris > Exactly, that's what I said in my post. Duncan wouldn't fight Buffy. So, she would win. But Methos would be a different story. Piper - -- " I'd call a place pure paradise where families are loyal and strangers are nice, where the music is jazz and the season is fall. Promise me that or nothing at all." -- MAYA ANGELOU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 23:43:58 -0400 From: Crimson Dream Subject: BUFFY: Keepers of What? I don't know if anybody has claimed this yet, but did anybody claimed Angel's Tatoo? Cause I would love to be the keeper of that. Also does anybody have a list of waht is claimed? Naja ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:26:59 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: BUFFY: keeper of... can i be the keeper of angel's dresser? Lily (hopefully the keeper of angel's dresser) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 97 01:45:55 UT From: "Paul, Maria Aspan" Subject: RE: BUFFY: Angel for next season I'm wondering if we might not see Angel again this season (okay at least I'm _hoping_ desperately). The most likely episode for him to make his appearance seems to be the finale, "Prophecy Girl." Buffy must fight the Master in a battle to the "death", etc. Angel would fit right in here, popping up to warn Buffy and help her against the Master. I'd really like to see their first meeting after the last kiss we saw, especially if he wears an open shirt :). Besides, it's the season finale & usually the writers like to bring in all of their best characters to attract a large audience. Maria GASP! Keeper of the Briefcase/ASH Appreciation Society Member "So...this wouldn't have anything to do with say an assignment, cloak and dagger stuff, the uh...brooding Englishman?" --Duncan, "VR.5" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:27:28 -0400 From: "Ellen S. Ross" Subject: BUFFY: BUFFY's Joss Whedon and Bionic Script? I found the following information on the "Bionic Page" at http://www.scifi.com/bionicrod/faq/movie.htm regarding the movie version of "The Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman": >NEWS AS OF 12/01/96: I've been told Universal has hired a writer named Joss Whedon to do a new script. His previous work apparently consists of writing scripts for several successful, big-budget action films. Also, the studio execs previously working on the film have supposedly been replaced with new ones. No word on whether Richard Anderson has left the project. Does anyone here on the Buffy list know anything about this? Is this why "Buffy Summers" has started to look more and more like Jaime Sommers? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:32:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Vibe40@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel for next season Well, personally I don't care how they bring him back as long as they do! Angel and Buffy have awesome chemistry and in spite of their big obstacle (him being a vapire and her being the slayer and all) I think they make a great pair. What's the deal with his soul being unredeemable anyhow? -Peace and watch Buffy! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:35:45 -0600 From: Craig Posey Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? At 04:21 PM 5/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >I'm not going to count anything from the movie as canon - but since we >have so few data points to go by, I'll use them in some ways... > >Jen > While the director and producers have a lot of input into the movie, it is worth noting that it is hard to discount the movie when the producers of it are those producing the show - the Kuzui's - and the screenwirter of the movie is the executive producer of the series. Craig napoleon@dbeach.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:42:35 -0600 From: Craig Posey Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? At 11:34 AM 5/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 06:38 AM 5/6/97 -0600, thus sprake Craig Posey: > >>I think the best explanation comes from the novel based on the original >>screen paly. In that text it states that their are several girls with the >>qualifications world wide to become the next Slayer. When a slayer dies, >>the Watchers pick the next one based upon how close she lives to the next >>predicted vampire hotspot. It indicated the Merrick had trained five >>slayers during his career - a life expectancy of about 5-10 years. > >Hmm. There's a couple problems with this. Does "several girls with >qualifications" mean there are girls all over the world with super-strength >and enough damage resistance to survive getting thrown around by vampires >regularly? Wouldn't someone notice these super-strong girls? > In the movie, no one noticed that Buffy was super strong - the first indication of anything unusual was the hotdog scene. Craig napoleon@dbeach,com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:44:58 +0000 From: "Augie De Blieck Jr." Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? Hi Jen, I'm trying to remain calm here. . . > coherent mythos goes a long way toward contributing to the long-term > survival of any SF/Fantasy series. (I point you at VR5 for a show that > dramatically failed to have a coherent mythos and really suffered from it.) WHAT?!? Which show were you watching? In any case, the reason VR.5 failed was because it was too smart for TV, and the dunderheads at FOX couldn't figure it out. (Apparantly, neither could many people on the net, who felt the need to get hung up on the modem thing which, for anyone who cared to watch the show could tell you, meant nothing anyway.) Any inconsistancies in the show were due to FOX's tinkering with it. ObBuffy: The less I think about it, the better the show is. - -Augie - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Augie De Blieck Jr. * augie@nic.com * AugieDB@compuserve.com "People meet on the net, they talk, they get together, have dinner, a show... horrible ax murder." - Xander Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Monday nights, WB, 9 p.m. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow, Angel Acronyms and Stuff > > The Moloch Fan Club (btw, "Moloch" was how the subtitled Latin in > > IRYJ spelled it) decides to use MALLOC as their new club name... > > "Moloch Always Loves Lackeys On Computers" > > MALLOC, of course, is the name of an "include file" used in C > programming. So it's a perfect name for a club of computer > nerds. :-) Actually, "malloc" is the _M_emory _Alloc_ation routine prototyped in the include file. An even cooler multi-context referrence; I approve. Robert Huff (who had to sit down after seeing B5's "Sic Transit Vir") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:40:44, -0500 From: GSSM83C@prodigy.com (JOSEPH NORTHCOTT) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Next Week's previews >So far we have sen 1979 - 18yrs, 1980 - 17 yrs, and 1981 - 16 yrs, I think >she was born in 81, since we know she is suppose to be 16. Any other >thoughts on this? Well assuming Buffy and Cordelia are the same age, and knowing that Cordelia is in driver's training (albeit for the third time) that does narrow it down. But the 1980 date isn't way out in space. 1980 could be o.k. --- if you get into the "what day of the year does the local school district use for a cutoff date." A question I would rather not see Joss Whedon bother to answer in a future episode. :) JN --- pages.prodigy.com/slayer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Raymond M. Kowalski" Subject: BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers) After watching the talent show episode for the third time I have some comments on it. It was a great episode overall. 1. However, do you think Joss Whedon has an obsession with circles? There was the power circle, the circle of Kayless(with a K), the circle in the episode of The Pack, and maybe others I am forgetting now. 2. I think Sunnydale should have a new rule. Girls should have to go in the locker room in at least groups of three, and they should always turn the lights on. That school is way too dark. 3. And my friend brought this one up. I know it is nit-picking too much, but she does have a point. Don't you think that whoever raised the curtain at the end of the show to reveal the "avant garde" scene would have noticed everything that was going on? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:29:12 -0400 From: Laertes@webtv.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: ratings Well the good news we did beat a post hockey game. But seriously the show was opposite The Shining. Both shows would pull the same audience. So it really should not be to suprising. The scary number is the 1.7 rating. That does not bode well. But it has been renewed for next season. Does anyone know what the ratings were for Savanah were they in the same range? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 20:37:57 -0700 From: Charles Schultz Subject: BUFFY: SPOILER for May 19 S P O I L E R S P A C E > I'm wondering if we might not see Angel again this season (okay at least I'm > _hoping_ desperately). The most likely episode for him to make his appearance According to TV Guide Online, both Angel and Armin Shimerman are back for this episode (may 19). For those who want the basic story: Cordelia is tormented by a violent entity and asks Buffy for help. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 00:53:46 -0400 From: Piper Subject: Re: BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers) Raymond M. Kowalski wrote: > > After watching the talent show episode for the third time I have some > comments on it. It was a great episode overall. > 3. And my friend brought this one up. I know it is nit-picking too much, > but she does have a point. Don't you think that whoever raised the > curtain at the end of the show to reveal the "avant garde" scene would > have noticed everything that was going on? Oh no, "TOMMY" works the curtains. Sure plays a mean pinball. : ) Piper - -- " I'd call a place pure paradise where families are loyal and strangers are nice, where the music is jazz and the season is fall. Promise me that or nothing at all." -- MAYA ANGELOU ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:10:39 -0600 From: felixcat@ecicnet.org (Felix the Cat) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Random babbling(may contain spoilers) At 10:07 PM 5/6/97, Raymond M. Kowalski wrote: >After watching the talent show episode for the third time I have some >comments on it. It was a great episode overall. > >1. However, do you think Joss Whedon has an obsession with circles? I think it has more to do with the fact that circles just show up a lot in incantations ("Pack," "IRYJ") and the "Power Circle" (assumption) is a showbiz thing. Sid was the one that seemed to know about it; it would seem he had a great deal of experience in showbiz (pretty sure he hadn't been racing IndyCars since 1930.) :) >2. I think Sunnydale should have a new rule. Girls should have to go in >the locker room in at least groups of three, and they should always turn >the lights on. That school is way too dark. yeah, but it wouldn't be nearly as spooky... dramatic license. these people *are* living in a TV show. :) >3. And my friend brought this one up. I know it is nit-picking too much, >but she does have a point. Don't you think that whoever raised the >curtain at the end of the show to reveal the "avant garde" scene would >have noticed everything that was going on? this had crossed my mind as well... then, i remembered #2 above... - -felix (on no sleep) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | felixcat@ecicnet.org "Righty-O, Dammit!" http://members.aol.com/felixcat42 | | Ice Station Zebra | | "Bringing you the tools you need for World Domination" | | and keeping Willow's Mac | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:26:59 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: BUFFY: keeper of... can i be the keeper of angel's dresser? Lily (hopefully the keeper of angel's dresser) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 01:26:45 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: BUFFY: Buffy on Headline News I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but Headline News just mentioned Buffy and had a little 20 second spot on it. The story was about young female actresses in tv shows I think. They showed a short clip of Sarah talking about how the show portrays reality or something like that. Sorry if someone already mentioned this - -Lawless http://www.netside.com/~lawless ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 21:29:09 -0700 From: jen@rio.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? At 08:27 PM 5/6/97 -0400, thus sprake Piper: >Laertes@webtv.net wrote: >> Anyone in their late 30s would not have the >> physical agility or abilities as those in their teens. So they probably >> retire and lead a normal life. Hmm! Why do I get the impression you're a teenager, Laertes? ;) A thirty-year old man might be a bit slower than a seventeen-year-old, but he'd be a lot more solid and strong than the kid would. Men in particular tend to add muscle bulk in their twenties, not their teens (assuming they stay fit and don't just quit exercising once they graduate from college.) Furthermore, while athletes in sports that are very hard on the body (football, basketball) tend to break down and retire in their thirties, that's because of physical *abuse*, not use. Athletes in sports that aren't so punishing generally get *better* as they get older until they reach their early thirties, then they can stay "peaked" until their forties. >This works. There are no gaps when there are no Slayers. I can follow this, I >like it. Agility is a major factor. And we do slow down as we age. No matter >who we are. "Youth and skill will always be defeated by old age and treachery." Or to put it another way, a 35 year old Slayer might be slower than Buffy (though not necessarily), but she'd still be *much* stronger, faster, and tougher than a normal person. Furthermore, she'd be far more experienced, wise, and tricky. Someone's already pointed out that, while Buffy's strength lets her survive hand-to-hand combat with monsters, she tends to *defeat* them through using her wits. If Slaying is at least as much a matter of using your head as it is using your fists, an older slayer would have a serious advantage there which would offset the slightly lowered physical abilities. With Moloch, for example, a more experienced Slayer might have started right off with short-circuiting him instead of wasting valuable time trying to punch him out. Also, while an older Slayer might be a bit less able physically, she'd have many years of practice in her moves and would probably have a vast knowledge of different fighting styles. Her reflexes would be lightning-fast through years of repetition. In other words, if you take a seventeen year old Karate master of the tenth dan and a thirty five year old Karate master of the tenth dan who achieved that level at age seventeen and have them go at each other, no-holds-barred, I'd bet on the older guy even if the kid were marginally faster. The older guy has been practicing for eighteen years, after all. >>Could the >> same hold true for vampire killers many kill >> but there is only one Vampire Slayer. Being "the Slayer" confers supernatural powers on the girl with the title. I suppose it's possible for there to be other "subordinate Slayers" who have lesser versions of the same powers, but it doesn't seem to fit very well with what we've seen. I think if Slayer-powers came in more than one flavor, Buffy would be something like "The Ultimate Slayer" instead of just "The Slayer," since the adjective implies that there are other slayers who aren't Ultimate. - -- Maytree - --------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne jen@rio.com jennifer.hawthorne@sierra.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- What's the difference between the first and last desk of a viola section? Half a measure and a semi-tone. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 01:08:05 -0400 From: Piper Subject: Re: BUFFY: SPOILER for May 19 Charles Schultz wrote: > > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S > P > A > C > E > > > I'm wondering if we might not see Angel again this season (okay at least I'm > > _hoping_ desperately). The most likely episode for him to make his appearance > > According to TV Guide Online, both Angel and Armin Shimerman are back > for this episode (may 19). > > For those who want the basic story: > > Cordelia is tormented by a violent entity and asks Buffy for help. Oooh, so you mean it's the hair thing again. Poltergeists with teasing combs. I couldn't resist. Piper - -- " I'd call a place pure paradise where families are loyal and strangers are nice, where the music is jazz and the season is fall. Promise me that or nothing at all." -- MAYA ANGELOU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:20:53 -0700 From: jen@rio.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? At 09:35 PM 5/6/97 -0600, thus sprake Craig Posey: >At 04:21 PM 5/6/97 -0700, you wrote: > > >>I'm not going to count anything from the movie as canon - but since we >>have so few data points to go by, I'll use them in some ways... >While the director and producers have a lot of input into the movie, it is >worth noting that it is hard to discount the movie when the producers of it >are those producing the show - the Kuzui's - and the screenwirter of the >movie is the executive producer of the series. It's not an issue of two different creative teams (a la Highlander). It's an issue of two different media. The dramatic demands of a feature film and the demands of a continuing series are *very* different. Dramatic choices made that work well in the movie often don't work well in an ongoing series, which is why it's fairly unusual for a movie to make the transition to TV series successfully. And when it is done, changes have to be made. The folks doing the Highlander TV show didn't change things from the movie just for the heck of it; they made changes that they felt were necessary to make the series work dramatically. By the same token, Joss has *already* changed things for the TV show -- Buffy in the movie never fought demons, only vampires. But fighting vampires week after week would get boring, so Joss very wisely moved the setting of the movie to a location (the "Hellmouth") where he could justify bringing in any sort of weird thing that struck his fancy to keep the stories from getting stale. No one is "discounting" the movie as "not right" -- or at least I'm not. However, I *am* saying that I expect the mythos to change and evolve in the TV series, just because of the demands of the medium, despite the fact that many of the same people are involved in both the movie and the series. - -- Maytree - --------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne jen@rio.com jennifer.hawthorne@sierra.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- What's the difference between the first and last desk of a viola section? Half a measure and a semi-tone. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Hendricks Ng Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Keeping" stuff DDA asked: > How many different pairs of boots has Buffy worn? I haven't paid close attention, > but I know she has at least black boots and white boots. > From what I've seen, Buffy has worn 3 different pairs of boots: black knee-high boots burgundy knee-high boots white knee-high boots The burgundy boots are in the one BtVS WB promo photo where Buffy is sitting on a rock in a yellow dress. It could be the lighting in the photo, but I still think they are burgundy colored. Opinions? /======================================================================\ | Hendu * hendu@usa.net * http://www.personal.psu.edu/hxn106 | |Willo'Wisp BuffyFan WHAM! * Keeper of Buffy's Boots & Buffy FAQ helper| | ===>Buffy The Vampire Slayer * WB Network Mon 9pm<=== | \=="A suspicious heart will see imaginary ghosts." -- Chinese proverb==/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 22:32:35 -0700 From: jen@rio.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: "One Slayer Per Generation"? At 11:44 PM 5/6/97 +0000, thus sprake Augie De Blieck Jr.: >> (I point you at VR5 for a show that >> dramatically failed to have a coherent mythos and really suffered from it.) > >WHAT?!? Which show were you watching? I watched every episode of VR5 that aired, and I have a friend taping the "extra" episodes off the Sci-Fi channel to mail to me eventually. >Any inconsistancies in the show were due to FOX's tinkering with it. Doesn't matter whose fault it was. What matters is that the show's mythos wasn't coherent. I stopped watching Highlander partly because of annoyance with their inability to keep their story consistent. I stopped watching Quantum Leap in the last year because the writers broke every "rule" they set up for how the Leap worked. Some folks have a higher tolerance for this kind of thing, but I don't, and a lot of my friends don't. Lack of consistency disrupts my ability to suspend my disbelief. Therefore, I desperately hope that Joss has a coherent mythos worked out for Buffy and sticks with it. From what I've seen so far things seem on the right track; I've got my fingers crossed the train won't derail. A perhaps relevant quote from Orson Scott Card's "Writing Fantasy & Science Fiction": ""With magic, you must be very clear about the rules. First, you don't want your readers to think that *anything* can happen. Second, the more carefully you work out the rules, the more you know about the limitations on magic, the more possibilities you open up in the story." >ObBuffy: The less I think about it, the better the show is. Whatever trips your trigger...I won't watch any show that requires me to think less in order to enjoy it, but that's just me. YMMV! - --Maytree - --------------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne jen@rio.com jennifer.hawthorne@sierra.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- What's the difference between the first and last desk of a viola section? Half a measure and a semi-tone. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 02:37:12 -0500 From: xgirl@pointblank.com Subject: BUFFY: h[D Hi :) Does anyone know if they are going to repeat the Buffy pilot? That is one episode that I do not have on tape and really want :) Krissy you've got to fight for your right to have a monster - tori you're words keep me alive - sarah mclachlan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: RAS Subject: Re: BUFFY: h[D At 02:37 AM 97/05/07 -0500, you wrote: >Hi :) Does anyone know if they are going to repeat the Buffy pilot? That >is one episode that I do not have on tape and really want :) > >Krissy I hope so I (dumb me) wasn't into Buffy then and I TOTALLY missed it, so if anyone hears of a planned repeat let us know. Of course there is always summer repeats to look forward (backward) to. Rudy --darkone@uniserve.com-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 20:14:54 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Next Week's previews - ---------- > From: Sonja Marie > To: buffy@xmission.com > Subject: Re: BUFFY: Next Week's previews > Date: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 4:50 PM > > On Tue, 6 May 1997, Jill Gillham wrote: > > > Okay, we've seen two different dates of birth on Buffy so far: > > q > > w > > e > > r > > t > > y > > u > > i > > o > > p > > a > > s > > d > > f > > g > > h > > j > > Next weeks preview shows a tombstone for Buffy with the year 1981 on it. > > > > Jill Gillham > > So far we have sen 1979 - 18yrs, 1980 - 17 yrs, and 1981 - 16 yrs, I think > she was born in 81, since we know she is suppose to be 16. Any other > thoughts on this? > it really depends on the month she was born. i was born in 1981 and i'm 15. so she was either born early in the 1981 year or she was born in 1980. Lily Keeper of Angel's Dresser ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:58:45 -0700 From: "Scott Palmer" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow, Angel Acronyms and Stuff > > MALLOC, of course, is the name of an "include file" used in C > > programming. So it's a perfect name for a club of computer > > nerds. :-) > > Actually, "malloc" is the _M_emory _Alloc_ation routine > prototyped in the include file. An even cooler multi-context > referrence; I approve. > > Robert Huff Thanks. You're right. Sorry for misleading everyone. And to think that I got an *A* in that course... :-) Noah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 03:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Hendricks Ng Subject: Re: BUFFY: "The Puppet Show" quote list (spoilers) > [aka Spoiler Space] > > This was a great show - creepy yet funny. And if the line is forming to bump > off Cordelia, I'm at the head of the line, right after Xander. Kill her, kill > Anyway, on with the quotes! > > Maureen, GASPer > Keeper of the Glasses > > > "The Puppet Show" quote list > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > B=Buffy, G=Giles, X=Xander, W=Willow, A=Angel, D=Darla, M=Master > C=Cordelia, MC=Miss Calendar, F=Fritz, S=Sid, PS=Principal Snyder > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Maureen, Thanks again for the list BUT :P ya missed this one: X - (Shaking Sid the Dummy's head around) "Redrum! Redrum! Redrum! Redrum!" *shiver* [excellent quote list snipped] > S-Lets just say there was me, there was a really mean demon, there > was a curse, and the next thing I know, I'm not me any more. I'm > sitting on some guy's knee, with his hand up my shirt. woohoo! I loved this one! /======================================================================\ | Hendu * hendu@usa.net * http://www.personal.psu.edu/hxn106 | |Willo'Wisp BuffyFan WHAM! * Keeper of Buffy's Boots & Buffy FAQ helper| | ===>Buffy The Vampire Slayer * WB Network Mon 9pm<=== | \=="A suspicious heart will see imaginary ghosts." -- Chinese proverb==/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 04:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Hendricks Ng Subject: Re: BUFFY: Boots (was "keeping stuff") > > How many different pairs of boots has Buffy worn? I haven't paid close attention, > > but I know she has at least black boots and white boots. > > > > >From what I've seen, Buffy has worn 3 different pairs of boots: > > black knee-high boots > burgundy knee-high boots > white knee-high boots > whoops, forgot the "smoking boots" :P (okay so they were the black ones in disguise) Hendu > > /======================================================================\ > | Hendu * hendu@usa.net * http://www.personal.psu.edu/hxn106 | > |Willo'Wisp BuffyFan WHAM! * Keeper of Buffy's Boots & Buffy FAQ helper| > | ===>Buffy The Vampire Slayer * WB Network Mon 9pm<=== | > \=="A suspicious heart will see imaginary ghosts." -- Chinese proverb==/ ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #60 ************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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