From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #138 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Friday, June 13 1997 Volume 01 : Number 138 In this issue: BUFFY: Buffy: quote list requsts BUFFY: Truncated Buffy Digests Re: BUFFY: Re[2]: Buffy Cast in WB Promos? Re: BUFFY: The Buffy Bandwagon BUFFY: Note BUFFY: Cast of BtVS as ALA poster models Re: BUFFY: Truncated Buffy Digests Re: BUFFY: Truncated Buffy Digests BUFFY: Bram Stoker's Dracula (if you are planning to read it, avoid this message) Re: BUFFY: Colin's Agenda? BUFFY: Three Little Pigs Re: BUFFY: More PG speculation BUFFY: vampire powers tv vs movie BUFFY: second season thoughts BUFFY: Assorted comments BUFFY: Theme music!!! BUFFY: Willow's increased savvy Re: Necronomican Re: BUFFY: off topic-sorry! Re: BUFFY: Three Little Pigs Re: BUFFY: Three Little Pigs Re: BUFFY: Willow's increased savvy Re: BUFFY: Three Little Pigs BUFFY: Oops / Theme BUFFY: Super-Friends? BUFFY: "superb" hero Re: BUFFY: Colin's Agenda? Re: BUFFY: Assorted comments BUFFY: Buffy Newsgroup Re: BUFFY: "superb" hero Re: BUFFY: Three Little Pigs BUFFY: "Game" face or "Vamp" face? Re: BUFFY: "Game" face or "Vamp" face? Re: BUFFY: Colin's Agenda? Re: BUFFY: Buffy Newsgroup Re: BUFFY: Buffy Newsgroup Re: BUFFY: "Game" face or "Vamp" face? See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:27:31 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net Subject: BUFFY: Buffy: quote list requsts There have been lots of requsts for the quote list made on list. Please requst via private mail. I am not responding to on list requsts. Katie kmasters@rof.net President and Founder of Buffy's Little Slayers Vice-President of Willitez Keeper of Angels Human Form Keeper of Buffy's Past Popularity Keeper of Buffy's Nail Polish http://www.angelfire.com/co/vampireslayer/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:31:58 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: Truncated Buffy Digests Is it just me or any other of you receiving the Buffy Digests incomplete. For Digests #136 and #137 I've gotten the first 17 or so messages and then it just is cut off in mid-post and blank space afterwards. Previously, I've received all the Digests with no problems complete containing the 20 or 30 or more messages that each Digest usually contains. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:56:26 -0400 From: pendragon31@juno.com (David L. Gee) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re[2]: Buffy Cast in WB Promos? Scott, I believe I saw them dancing. I only saw this promo once in NY and I was wondering if you were going to be airing the promos a lot during the summer Please Check Out My Site The Slayer's Lair http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/set/7517 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:22:34 -0700 From: "Mary's kids" Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Buffy Bandwagon > How about giving Me a list of SMG's other film and tv (BESIDES the soap > opera, naturally) appearances, via one of these posts? Ok, here it is . I got this from the Internet Movie Database: Beverly Hills Family Robinson(1997)...? I Know What You Did Last Summer(1997)...Helen "Swans Crossing"(1991)TV Series...Sydney Rutledge "A Woman Named Jackie" (1991)TV mini series...Teenage Jackie Kennedy High Stakes(1989)...Karen An Invasion of Privacy(1983)...Jennifer Bianchi She also Guest starred on Spencer: For Hire and Guiding Light. Hope I helped! Dawn Secretary of Willites Fan of Celine Dion Fan of BtVS Fan of Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:18:09 -0400 From: Sharon Himmanen Subject: BUFFY: Note Hello everybody! I regret that I must uns*bscribe from this list because I am receiving too much mail. If any Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) fans would like to become friends, feel free to e-mail me. If anybody is starting a Charisma website please e-mail me as well. I would love to visit the site. Thanks! Pamela pam@tir.com - -- Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com Ask me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list "Her church is sarcastic." --Randomly generated ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:26:43 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: Cast of BtVS as ALA poster models Below is a reply from Kathy Repholz in regards to my suggestion of using the cast of Buffy The Vampire Slayer on upcoming pro-literacy campaign library READ posters... >Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:31:38 -0500 >Subject: Buffy The Vampire Slayer READ poster -Reply > >We will consider your idea. I've had a couple other e-mails on it recently. >Do you have a contact with the producers of the show or anybody's >publicist? If you have any inside scoop, please share it. > >THANKS. Obviously those of you that have written are having an effect. Please continue to write Kathy and I'm sure this will become a reality! Just think of Buffy and Company on a poster that you can own and hang in your room and point out to family and friends, proudly saying, "See that poster, I helped bring it about!" The importance of reading and hence the importance of the American library system is undervalued, over-looked and undeniably forgotten. All the magical dreams, future careers, great accomplishments in Literature, Arts, Science, etc. are the result of knowledge passed down from one generation to the next in the form of books. And yes, all that magic entertainment we see on tv in the form of series such as Buffy The Vampire Slayer are the result of the ideas and imaginations born out of the minds of writers who spent many years reading. Those of you that recognize this valuable and sacred tradition of knowledge that we possess in this country, I urge you to take part in this campaign. Long after BtVS goes into re-runs, long after the series starts being shown only on cable, a READ poster featuring the BtVS cast will stand out as a bonafide testament to something really important, something you will proudly remember and value. Become a part of it! Write to Ms Kathy Repholz at krepholz@ala.org and express your opinion. funee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:37:39 -0400 From: Sharon Himmanen Subject: Re: BUFFY: Truncated Buffy Digests At 05:31 PM 6/12/97 EDT, you wrote: >Is it just me or any other of you receiving the Buffy Digests incomplete. > For Digests #136 and #137 I've gotten the first 17 or so messages and >then it just is cut off in mid-post and blank space afterwards. Several other people reported this problem. The digests are intact on the archive, which you can access via anonymous ftp at: ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/. I'm looking into this with Xmission, but I suspect it's something beyond their control as it's a gateway problem somewhere. Sharon - -- Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com Ask me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list "Her church is sarcastic." --Randomly generated ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:07:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Mano Billi Subject: Re: BUFFY: Truncated Buffy Digests What is the Digest....How can I get it? On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 funee@juno.com wrote: > Is it just me or any other of you receiving the Buffy Digests incomplete. > For Digests #136 and #137 I've gotten the first 17 or so messages and > then it just is cut off in mid-post and blank space afterwards. > > Previously, I've received all the Digests with no problems complete > containing the 20 or 30 or more messages that each Digest usually > contains. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Vibe40@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Bram Stoker's Dracula (if you are planning to read it, avoid this message) Hi all! I got a lot of replies to my suggestion that Buffy miught be a vampire since she was bitten. Thanks for straightening me out, if she was there would be a lot of vampires wandering around Sunnydale. However, since I brought up the whole Bram Stoker thing, I thought it was only fair to give you guys the facts from the book itself (which I highly reccomend). In the book, the Count takes two women (from the side of the good guys) and makes them vampires. The first he feeds on continuously until she dies. Then, after she's buried she becomes Un-Dead and bites little children on the neck. These kids don't become vampires, although they lose a lot of blood. She keeps sucking blood until (this is kind of gory) a stake is driven through her heart, and her head is cut off and filled with garlic. The second woman's vampirisim: he comes into her room and feeds on her. Then he opens a vein and presses her mouth firmly against the open vein, "so that I must either suffocate or swallow". When a Holy Wafer is pressed on her forehead after this incident, it burns her forehead in a mark. (Shades of Angel's chest with Buffy's cross?) She is also under his power- he can sense what she is feeling and she can do the same with him. Not until the Count is staked and becomes rancid dust does the mark on her forehead vanish. I was wrong, thank goodness. As of "Prophecy Girl", Buffy remains our beloved and soul-possesing Slayer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:14:32 -0700 From: Jennifer Hawthorne Subject: Re: BUFFY: Colin's Agenda? At 01:05 PM 6/12/97 -0400, thus sprake RemencusL@jsc.mil: >OK, now about Colin... >We know dear little Colin is no longer a mortal boy; the master said as >much. I suspect he's a vampire, and a particularly brutal one, if that is in >fact his hand print on the TV in "Prophecy Girl." Before someone else beats me to it, Joss said on the posting board that that isn't Colin's handprint on the TV. It came from one of the victims. Colin's true nature and purpose are still very unclear. I'm not even convinced he's a vampire, though he's clearly not a mortal child. We've never seen him put on his "game face," though all the other vampires we've seen have shown their vampiric appearance when down in the Master's cave. Are we even sure he's genuinely "evil"? Yeah, I know he probably is, but he *could* be more along the lines of a generally neutral power. He's said several nasty things when talking to the Master, but then most kids try to say what they think the adults around them want to hear, particularly if the adult is a threatening type of person. Sure, he went to lead Buffy down to the Master, but his "Help me!" was very unconvincing, so possibly he wasn't that thrilled to be doing it. And he didn't gloat, or express joy at the thought of leading Buffy to her death -- he just did what the prophecy said he was to do, and then he left and went who-knows-where. Colin would be more interesting, I think, if he was not so much "Evil" as simply "Wild" -- the true wild card in Buffy's universe, a power not aligned with either side but completely unpredictable. It may be I'm just seeing him as similar to Adam, the 11-year-old Antichrist in "Good Omens," a fantastic book by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman. (If you haven't read it, you should go and get it RIGHT NOW and do so. Go ahead. I'll wait...;) That is, he's a Power, but what exactly he'll do with that power isn't necessarily written in stone. > Look at what he considers >play time! What exactly are you referring to here? I don't remember a scene of Colin at play. > What happens when our little demon has a temper tantrum? Is >the Anointed One going to make Sunnydale his dark playground? The one problem I have with Colin as Nemesis is more one of TV practicality than dramatic structure. That is, the networks very much frown on shows that depict the violent deaths of child characters. They can die from diseases, or possibly on the operating table in a hospital show, but showing a child character getting staked through the heart or decapitated is probably right out. And if they did allow any such thing to be shown, it would have to be a bad guy doing such a thing, not the show's protagonist. Arguments of "But he was an *EVIL* child!" don't seem to wash. Sadly, there have been several cases in *real life* of people killing children, ususally their own, because they said the child was a demon or was possessed by one. No network is going to take a chance on encouraging that sort of thinking. So, if Colin is set up as Nemesis for next season, how exactly will Buffy be able to Slay him? I suppose they could do a really high-powered exorcism and "cure" him instead, but that would be something of a copout. >Just some food for thought... Munch munch munch ;) Pretty tasty stuff. - -- Maytree - ------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne :: jen@pacwest.DIESPAM.net [To reply to this message, remove DIESPAM from address] - ------------------------------------------------------- Joyce: Homecoming, my freshman year at college. I didn't have a date, so I got dressed up and I went anyway. Buffy: Was it awful? Joyce: It was awful. For about an hour. Buffy: Then what happened? Joyce: I met your father. Buffy: He didn't have a date either? Joyce: He did. And that's a much funnier story that you will *not* get to hear. - -- Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Prophecy Girl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:40:00 -0700 From: Jennifer Hawthorne Subject: BUFFY: Three Little Pigs At 01:24 PM 6/12/97 -0400, thus sprake Santiago: >i just realisied this, but did anyone else notice that was on the TV >in PG when Willow and Cordelia found all those dead bodies? >it was WB's "3 Little Pigs"... (Reasons why this episode might have been chosen snipped so as not to have too many quoted lines.) Cost probably wasn't the issue. Since Buffy is a WB show, Joss could probably take his pick from any of the WB cartoons in the WB libraries. It might just be one of Joss's favorite cartoons. I think trying to read Deep Meaning into it is probably a mistake. Babylon 5 recently showed a clip of "Duck Amuck" in an episode and people started speculating wildly about What It All Meant. What it meant was that JMS liked that cartoon. If *I* were High Overlord of a TV series and had to pick a cartoon, it'd be "Duck Season! Wabbit Season! Duck Season!" "He does so have to shoot me now! So shoot me now!" It's interesting (but not surprising) that so far only shows associated with Warner Brothers have used WB 'toon clips. The day I see a "Jonny Quest" or "Starblazers" cartoon clip on a show I'll be very impressed. - -- Maytree - ------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne :: jen@pacwest.DIESPAM.net [To reply to this message, remove DIESPAM from address] - ------------------------------------------------------- There is no pain. There is no evil. There is no sense in saying things like this. - -- Ashleigh Brilliant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:39:24 -0700 From: Jennifer Hawthorne Subject: Re: BUFFY: More PG speculation At 04:31 PM 6/12/97 -0400, thus sprake Kim Sefcik: >Maybe having a Master killing a Slayer did >something to Buffy's abilities. But you'd think that Slayers have been >killed by Masters before. (and vice-versa) One thing to realize here is that, according to Joss on the posting board, the Master did *not* kill Buffy. He just took a nice big swig of her blood and then dropped her face first into a pool, where she inhaled water and drowned. The prophecy never said the Master would kill Buffy -- it just said she would *die.* Important difference there. In short, the Master, like most megalomaniacal overlords, was sloppy and paid the price for it ;) (He violated Rule #17 of "How to Be an Evil Overlord: "All slain enemies will be cremated, or at least have several rounds of ammunition emptied into them, not left for dead at the bottom of the cliff. The announcement of their deaths, as well as any accompanying celebration, will be deferred until after the aforementioned disposal.") Why exactly Buffy passed out when the Master chomped on her neck is a different question, but there are a lot of plausible explanations: a sudden decrease in blood pressure and blood flow to the brain causing syncope, for example, or maybe just Buffy fainting from sheer terror (completely understandable under the circumstances.) I'm curious about why Buffy didn't have puncture holes in her neck afterward, though, like every other vampire victim so far. I'm betting she heals much faster than normal (though this has never been explicitly said), which is a possible explanation. A solid answer on this would be appreciated, though. (Joss, buddy, you listening?) - -- Maytree - ------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne :: jen@pacwest.DIESPAM.net [To reply to this message, remove DIESPAM from address] - ------------------------------------------------------- Buffy: Giles, care. I'm putting my life on the line battling the undead. Look, I broke a nail, okay? I'm wearing a press-on. The least you could do is exhibit some casual interest. You could go, "hmm." Giles: Hmm? - --Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Prophecy Girl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:42:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Wolfkazzy@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: vampire powers tv vs movie Hiya, sorry if this has already been discussed but I have been wondering about a certain power in the movie that the tv vamps might have or not---levitation. I can think of only one instance in the tv show that alludes to levitation but I started watching around the Angel and Nightmares eps. When Buffy demands the vampire (which turned out to be 3) to show himself, the first of the Three seemed to be levitating **downwards*** from a long way above (say, two to three stories). Just wondering, Wolfkazzy Keeper of Angel's Soul "I can walk like a man, but I'm not one."--Angel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:16:32 -0400 From: "Bob Fugler" Subject: BUFFY: second season thoughts Hi! I am not sure if anyone has wondered about this, but ummmm what happened to the chosen one? That little boy with all the spikes in his mouth?!!? The master seemed to think he was pretty important, soooooo could he be the next arch enemy? Oh and does anyone one know when they are going to show the episode of Angel again (unfortunately I missed it!!!!!!! i was soooooooo disappointed!!) Thanx, Kat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:12:26, -0500 From: TedJMiller@prodigy.com (MR THEODORE J MILLER) Subject: BUFFY: Assorted comments One of the tabloid newspapers (Weekly World News or something like that) had a headline about world-wide earthquakes releasing demons from Hell (President puts army on red alert, etc.). I guess someone at that paper saw Prophecy Girl. >Episode 9: Canterbury Ghost--Oscar Wilde >Old ghost of noblemen begins to haunt Sunnydale High, irritating students >and faculty alike. Not many noblemen in Sunnydale; how about the ghost of Principal Flutie? >There's always the alternate universe idea (a la "Yesterday's Enterprise") >where somehow Buffy comes into a world that is in another timeline, and >perhaps doesn't have any slayers or even just where she wasn't born, and >sees what a difference she's made ("What a Wonderful Life"). A real nasty alternate universe: the Master won, and the people of Sunnydale (and the whole world?) are slaves (or livestock) to an army of vampires. >What about careers, has Buffy decided on a occupation Given her Slayer abilities, something athletic would be a possibility (Olympic gymnast, track star, women's basketball), but might be too high-profile. >Hey how about crossing over Buffy with Seinfeld. Kramer becomes a vampire, moves to Sunnydale, and keeps popping in to Angel's apartment to get blood from his refrigerator. ____ Theodore Miller SCTQ91A@PRODIGY.COM TEDJMILLER@PRODIGY.COM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:59:00 -0400 From: luminar Subject: BUFFY: Theme music!!! Ok, those of you who are looking for theme music I've got it, and it's a = whole lot smaller than 2Mb. It is in mono, but it still sounds good, = plus it's only 384kb. So, apolloguru and whoever else is looking for the music, check out... http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/2535/multimedia.html just right click on it and choose 'save as...'. I'd also recommend you = check out the rest of the page while you're there, but you don't have = to. TTYL, hope it works. ...Luminar luminar@geocities.com ILLUMINATIONS OF SARAH MICHELLE GELLAR http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Lot/2535 "Those who can, do. Those who can't laugh at those who-can do." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rose Subject: BUFFY: Willow's increased savvy Anyone notice that in the first show of the season (WttHM) Cordy tells Willow she likes her outfit (in order to ridicule her in front of Buffy). Willow looks surprised but bites nonetheless, thanking Cordy and mentioning how her Mom bought it for her, thus allowing Cordy to plunge the knife in. But in the *last* show of the season (PG), Cordy again tells Willow she likes her outfit (to get her to do the sound at the Bronze) and this time Willow calls her on it by flat out saying "No you don't," which kinda catches Cordy off guard for a moment (though she recovers well, she is Cordy after all). I thought it was interesting to see this growth in Willow from the start to the end of the season. Lisa Visit the Little Buffy Website at: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/cyberpaws/lilbuffy.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:06:38 -0500 From: shannon howe Subject: Re: Necronomican Re: BUFFY: off topic-sorry! At 05:57 PM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >The book the Necronomican does not exist. The american writer HP >Lovecraft introduced > > hooray.. someone else you knows this story.... i have gotten into so many agruments about this with so called "witches" (being a pagan this really ticks me off) who tell me they use this book to work there spells... at last there is some intellegent life out there... i will be quite now... r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:43:00 -0700 From: "SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Three Little Pigs >>it was WB's "3 Little Pigs"... >(Reasons why this episode might have been chosen snipped so as not to have >too many quoted lines.) >Cost probably wasn't the issue. Since Buffy is a WB show, Joss could >probably take his pick from any of the WB cartoons in the WB libraries. Well, actually Buffy The Vampire Slayer airs on The WB Television Network, but it is produced by 20th Century Fox Television. I'm sure it is a fairly easy task to get permission to use Warner Bros. properties, but they are not a Warner Bros. show. >It might just be one of Joss's favorite cartoons. I think trying to read >Deep Meaning into it is probably a mistake. Babylon 5 recently showed a clip >of "Duck Amuck" in an episode and people started speculating wildly about >What It All Meant. What it meant was that JMS liked that cartoon. Of course, Daffy Duck was cited by Garibaldi himself as being his second favorite thing in the universe (see Season 1). Scott The WB Television Network ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:01:46 -0700 From: Jennifer Hawthorne Subject: Re: BUFFY: Three Little Pigs At 06:43 PM 6/12/97 -0700, thus sprake SCOTT WOODARD@warnerbros.com: >Well, actually Buffy The Vampire Slayer airs on The WB Television >Network, but it is produced by 20th Century Fox Television. I'm sure >it is a fairly easy task to get permission to use Warner Bros. >properties, but they are not a Warner Bros. show. Sorry, I didn't mean that WB was solely responsible for Buffy -- not with at least three different production companies showing insignia at the end. I meant that since it was airing on the WB, Warner Brothers is more likely to be happily cooperative when it comes to sharing their other properties. (Anything that's good for Buffy is good for Warner Brothers, essentially.) By the same token, B5 isn't a WB show as far as I know. PTEN was strongly linked to WB, if I recall correctly, but darned if I can figure out what the exact relationship was. If you can clarify that'd be great. I recoil in horror from the from the idea of even *trying* figure out how much of Buffy "Mutant Enemy" is responsible for, how much "Sandollar" is responsible for, and how much the other guys (Kazui? Kamui?) are responsible for. The only thing I feel I can be sure of is that Joss is the one ultimately calling the shots on the show's production. >>of "Duck Amuck" in an episode and people started speculating wildly about >>What It All Meant. What it meant was that JMS liked that cartoon. >Of course, Daffy Duck was cited by Garibaldi himself as being his >second favorite thing in the universe (see Season 1). I thought that was cartoons in general, not just Daffy Duck, though I think it was a Daffy Duck cartoon he was showing to Delenn at the time he said this (or was it Lennier? I forget.) He does have that big Daffy Duck poster over his bed, though. - -- Maytree - ------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne :: jen@pacwest.DIESPAM.net [To reply to this message, remove DIESPAM from address] - ------------------------------------------------------- Voltaire, it is said, made a visit to a highly specialized bordello and enjoyed himself. He declined an opportunity to return for a second visit. "Once, a philosopher," he said. "Twice, a pervert." - -- Lawrence Block ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:02:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Robin Carroll-Mann Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow's increased savvy On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Lisa Rose wrote: > Anyone notice that in the first show of the season (WttHM) Cordy tells > Willow she likes her outfit (in order to ridicule her in front of > Buffy). Willow looks surprised but bites nonetheless, thanking Cordy > and mentioning how her Mom bought it for her, thus allowing Cordy to My take on that scene is that "my mom bought it" is an excuse. Ie., "I know it's not fashionable, but I didn't pick it out." I think that thanking Cordelia is Willow's way of being non-confrontational. > But in the *last* show of the season (PG), Cordy again tells > Willow she likes her outfit (to get her to do the sound at > the Bronze) and this time Willow calls her on it by flat out > saying "No you don't," which kinda catches Cordy off guard Willow has definitely gotten more outspoken and self-confident. Which is A Good Thing. Re-watching the first ep, it was amazing to see how timid and self-effacing Willow was. "Do you want me to move?" "She's not really hanging out with us." And the gratitude (and surprise) she showed when she realized Buffy actually *wanted* to sit with her... > I thought it was interesting to see this growth in > Willow from the start to the end of the season. Oh, yes. I was *very* happy when she turned Xander down in the finale. I don't think she's ever going to be an aggressive person, but it's good to see her standing up for herself. > Lisa > Visit the Little Buffy Website at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ca/cyberpaws/lilbuffy.html Harper *** Robin Carroll-Mann harper@idt.net (formerly harper@tribeca.ios.com) "Mostly Harmless" -- DOuglas Adams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:15:06 +0000 From: "Augie De Blieck Jr." Subject: Re: BUFFY: Three Little Pigs Hi Maytree, > >It might just be one of Joss's favorite cartoons. I think trying to read > >Deep Meaning into it is probably a mistake. Babylon 5 recently showed a > clip > >of "Duck Amuck" in an episode and people started speculating wildly about > >What It All Meant. What it meant was that JMS liked that cartoon. JMS has also written that Daffy's predicament in that particular cartoon mirrors quite nicely Garibaldi's current predicament -- being controlled by an external force you don't know, who is controlling the way you move. So, while there isn't a whole helluvalotta deeper meaning to it, there is more than just "JMS liked that cartoon." So what cartoon mirrors Buffy the Vampire Slayer? I don't know; Super-Friends? Beats me. - -Augie - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Augie De Blieck Jr. * augie@nic.com * AugieDB@compuserve.com VR.5 FAQkeeper - Watch VR.5 on The Sci-Fi Channel Tuesday Nights, 10 p.m. EST! Read the FAQ: http://www.nic.com/~augie/vr5/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:58:10 -0500 From: David Rieck Subject: BUFFY: Oops / Theme I AM SUCH A LOSER!!! Since the WB's rerunning the episodes from the beginning, I wanted to make my own little library collection of BtVS. But I wasn't paying attention, and missed the first 6-8 minutes of the pilot! I don't believe it! I don't suppose the WB is planning to run it again? So, if anyone could send me a copy, or dub onto a tape I could send, I'd be grateful. Also, fellow Slayerettes (can we get it official already?) looking for the theme music: if you have an MP3 player and don't want to use it as a startup sound, I could post it on my web page. Full 44KHz 16 bit stereo, and only 700K! E-mail me. Dave David Rieck - drieck@iastate.edu http://www.public.iastate.edu/~drieck/ "BuffyBliss: The lingering feeling of ecstasy you get from watching BtVS." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:59:22 -0400 From: Koch Subject: BUFFY: Super-Friends? At 10:15 PM 6/12/97 +0000, you wrote: >So what cartoon mirrors Buffy the Vampire Slayer? I don't know; Super-Friends? >Beats me. Speaking of... I was, for some reason, contemplating this question: What if the BtVS characters were all superheroes? What would their names be, how would they be described. Here's some off the top of my head... Buffy: Destructo Girl (she said so her self!) Faster than a speeding bullet (she dodged all of Darla's shots in "Angel"), more powerful than a pasty-faced Master, able to stake tall vampires in a single thrust. Cordelia: The Snob. Faster than a speeding fashion trend, more powerful than an angry driving instructor, able to shatter one's self-esteem with a single word. Willow: Hacker Lass. Faster than a 56k Modem, more powerful than the CIA's security system, able to break into the Roswell Files in a single attempt. Giles: Captain Knowledge. Faster than a speeding question, more powerful than the blindly ignorant, able to exorcise demons with a single book. Anybody wanna do Xander, Angel (perhaps Angst Man?), Ms. C., or some of the baddies? C'mon, this could be fun! - --Viashino-- "Life's like a movie, Write your own ending, Keep on dreaming, Keep pretending." - - The Muppet Movie - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:18:55 -0500 From: hyphema@webtv.net Subject: BUFFY: "superb" hero thus sprake VIASHINO: "anybody wanna do XANDER...?" c'mon, man, cool it with the imagery! this is a "family" list! geez! (j/k). okay, onto V's superheroes... i think GILES' secret weapon would be to confound his adversaries with his blithely spoken king's english: GILES: "uh, uh, i say there, my good chap, did you know that macrobius presented the neoplatonic scheme of emanation in the form of the good, the intelligence, and the soul?" BADDIE: "hunh?" (GILES backhands the guy with a 16th-century tome!). hyphema:-[ hyphema@webtv.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:11:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Colin's Agenda? At 04:14 PM 6/12/97 -0700, Jennifer Hawthorne wrote: >We've never seen [Colin] put on his "game face," though all the other >vampires we've seen have shown their vampiric appearance when down in >the Master's cave. Technical note, Darla keeps her "human" face on throughout all of her scenes underground with the Master in "Angel" (killing the Three, hatching the plot to make Angel kill Buffy). And also when she's talking just "vamp to vamp" with Angel in his room. The game face comes on for her fight in the Bronze with Buffy. Not sure of the logic behind her face choices. On a tangent, after Angel stakes Darla in the Bronze, and she's dying, she turns to him and says in a surprisingly tender and vulnerable voice "Angel...?" like a fragile lovestruck heroine from some 50's biker romance picture. I almost wondered if it were her "good" side leaking through at the very last moment of death (she stood nothing to gain by manipulating him any further at that point). >That is, the networks very much frown on shows that depict the violent >deaths of child characters. They can die from diseases, or possibly on >the operating table in a hospital show, but showing a child >character getting staked through the heart or decapitated is probably right >out. There are many ways Buffy could kill Colin non-graphically. He could lose his grip and fall into a furnace of molten iron, or a fissure down in Hellmouth while climbing after her to kill her or something. He would disappear from view and we wouldn't actually see him die. IMO, Joss seems gutsy enough to kill Colin off and also to make him a very evil little creep next season. FWIW, Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:59:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Assorted comments > >Episode 9: Canterbury Ghost--Oscar Wilde > >Old ghost of noblemen begins to haunt Sunnydale High, irritating > >students and faculty alike. > > Not many noblemen in Sunnydale; how about the ghost of Principal > Flutie? Would you settle for the ghost of a Spanish nobleman? (This being southern California.) Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:59:48 -0500 From: "Christopher Messimer" Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Newsgroup Hi, I was wondering what could be hold me back from having alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer newsgroup avaible to me?? I use the Internet News from Microsoft and I have a true ISP. Can anyone answer that? messimer@eramp.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:23:18 -0400 From: Koch Subject: Re: BUFFY: "superb" hero At 10:18 PM 6/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >thus sprake VIASHINO: "anybody wanna do XANDER...?" c'mon, man, cool it >with the imagery! this is a "family" list! geez! (j/k). > Have I mentioned yet that you make way more bad jokes than the law should allow? ;-D >BADDIE: "hunh?" (GILES backhands the guy with a 16th-century tome!). > Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaa!!!! I LOVE IT! - --Viashino-- "Life's like a movie, Write your own ending, Keep on dreaming, Keep pretending." - - The Muppet Movie - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:36:32 -0800 From: brian walz Subject: Re: BUFFY: Three Little Pigs (Not sure who wrote this originally...) <*>>>of "Duck Amuck" in an episode and people started speculating wildly about <*>>>What It All Meant. What it meant was that JMS liked that cartoon. Yes and no. Joe did pick that cartoon specifically for the symbolism it represented to the things happening to Garibaldi. It was a choice between that cartoon and another where Daffy is talking to another Daffy. Brian +---------------------+--------------------------------------+---------------+ | Brian Walz | High Priest, Church Of Joe |Sooner or later| | brianw@pacifier.com | http://www.pacifier.com/~brianw/COJ/ |everyone comes | | <*> | coj-list@pacifier.com | to Babylon 5 | +---------------------+--------------------------------------+---------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 01:03:28 -0500 From: David Daniel Anderson Subject: BUFFY: "Game" face or "Vamp" face? I have noticed that everyone here keeps saying "game" face, but I was sure that Buffy told Angel to put on his "vamp" face in Prophecy Girl. Could someone who has it on tape see what the closed-captioning says? Thank you, DDA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 23:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Game" face or "Vamp" face? Nope she said game face "Angel better put on your game face" I used Closed Captioning when I watched it a few times. On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, David Daniel Anderson wrote: > I have noticed that everyone here keeps saying "game" face, but I was > sure that Buffy told Angel to put on his "vamp" face in Prophecy Girl. > Could someone who has it on tape see what the closed-captioning says? Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:48:52 +0000 From: ayma@infinet.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Colin's Agenda? So Colin is no longer a mortal boy, could he possibly represent the real danger to Buffy and Co? I Always felt the Master was seen as kind of a Messianic figure to the other Vampires under him. All the quoting from his book and such, perhaps he is filling in parts of his prophecy, and not interpeting the details correctly. Perhaps he is destined to die so that A greater evil or menace could be born. Or perhaps to let the Old ones back in to stop us animals from playing on their planet. Chances are if the Watchers have any Larger ideas so do the Vamps. Vanguardian Lisa & Jeff Fournier ayma@infinet.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:18:02 GMT From: flagg@wwa.com (Flagg) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy Newsgroup >I was wondering what could be hold me back from having >alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer newsgroup avaible to me?? > >I use the Internet News from Microsoft and I have a true ISP.=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:22:11 GMT From: flagg@wwa.com (Flagg) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy Newsgroup >I was wondering what could be hold me back from having >alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer newsgroup avaible to me?? > >I use the Internet News from Microsoft and I have a true ISP.=20 Sorry, don't know what happened in that last post... anyway, you probably need to request the group from your ISP, assuming it is a real group. Not all news servers carry all groups...there are over 22,000 last I checked... - --flagg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:33:38 -0400 (EDT) From: tan3@cornell.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Game" face or "Vamp" face? On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, David Daniel Anderson wrote: > I have noticed that everyone here keeps saying "game" face, but I was > sure that Buffy told Angel to put on his "vamp" face in Prophecy Girl. > > Could someone who has it on tape see what the closed-captioning says? > > Thank you, > DDA > > It was game face. Tracey Newton ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #138 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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