From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #149 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Thursday, June 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 149 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: More possible plotlines for season 2 Re: BUFFY: Buffy: READ Poster Re: BUFFY: SMG Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: SMG (personal life) Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) Re: BUFFY: SMG Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Buffy: READ Poster Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS BUFFY: Bronze cover/ID riddle solved! Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS BUFFY: Buffy: Some Thoughts Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: No cover at The Bronze? Re: BUFFY: Buffy game Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS BUFFY: Re: Salty Goodness...... Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) Re: BUFFY: Buffy game Re: BUFFY: SMG Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS BUFFY: my horrific realization: the Buffy/Grease II connection. BUFFY: Dr. Seuss? Re: BUFFY: my horrific realization: the Buffy/Grease II connection. Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) Re: BUFFY: my horrific realization: the Buffy/Grease II connection. Re: BUFFY: Idle Down....... See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:56:19 -0500 From: Tim Holdener Subject: Re: BUFFY: More possible plotlines for season 2 I was intrigued by some of the ideas displayed. I've been trying to catch up with a weeks worth of email so someone may have already suggested this but what about a lycanthrope! In simpler terms, a werewolf. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:05:25 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy: READ Poster >what is read poster? exactly? READ poster is a poster they make up to try and get kids to read. They ussually put atheletes and/or celebs on them because we young people are always influenced by them :) Katie kmasters@rof.net Keeper of Angel's Human Form Keeper of Buffy's Past Populaity Keeper of Buffy's Nail Polish http://www.angelfire.com/co/vampireslayer/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:22:26 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:23:56 -0700 Lawless writes: >premiered. I also like Buffy a lot. I just don't know how much I'd >like it if the two shows mixed. They're two different worlds and I >don't see how it would be possible. It would be just as plausible as >a Xena/Star Trek crossover or something. No, no, no. It's all VERY logical, especially given the talent of the Xena: Warrior Princess writing/producing staff and the creative genius of BtVS's Joss Whedon. Xena has already explored time travel (Remember Nothing, The Xena Scrolls), so for her to visit the 20th century Sunnydale, California is perfectly possible, reasonable, and likely. And Buffy certainly can visit Xena via many devices (time portal, dream, fantasy daydream, etc.) we've seen used in fantasy/adventure/science fiction tv series. Of course, if they just want to crossover appearances of the actors (not their characters) that's fine and acceptable with me also but crossovers we MUST have! I believe that Xena represents a breakthrough character in tv history portraying a very strong female hero. There is an intelligence, savy, classiness and beauty to the Xena character that makes her very much a role model/hero for many people including actresses like Sarah Gellar who see in her the first truly non-compromising female hero. It's only NATURAL, DESIRABLE, and INEVITABLE that the BtVS and XWP casts and creative staffs do a tie-in crossover series of episodes. Smug as a bug in a rug with the last word on the subject! funee (: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:24:22 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS >Xena, by an act of the gods (maybe the Fates), is transported to >Sunnydale, California 1997, where she must find the descendant of the >vampiric god Bacchus to prevent him from becoming the new Master who may >enslave Mankind. Xena has been told by the Fates that she must work with >one called the 'Slayer' to overcome this evil. I think it might work better if Buffy went BACK in time. You know, they here this prophecy that the world is going to end or something under the new Master and the only way to stop it is to go back to Xena time and place and prevent him from becoming a vampire. Giles comes up with some way to transprot her back with some kind of communication device (portable computer?) and Xena finds her and aids her. Also, I saw this promo for an ep. of XWP that had vampires in it. Did anyone see this ep. or promo? Katie kmasters@rof.net Keeper of Angels Human Form Keeper of Buffy's Past Popularity Keeper of Buffy's Nail Polish President of Buffy's Little Slayers Vice President of Willitez http://www.angelfire.com/co/vampireslayer/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:32:08 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS funee@juno.com wrote: > BUFFY: Mom, like you to meet our new gym instructor, Xena. If I ever hear this line on the show then I know it's time to stop watching ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:39:48 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:32:08 -0700 Lawless writes: >> BUFFY: Mom, like you to meet our new gym instructor, Xena. > >If I ever hear this line on the show then I know it's time to stop >watching Come on, Buffy and Xena are a perfect match. They are DESTINED to appear together. In Xena, Buffy finds a kindred spirit. I mean think about it. For the most part Buffy is all alone in the world. How does it go? 'Into each generation there is born a Slayer'? All alone. Sure she has friends in Willow, Xander, etc., but they are more of an audience. They don't kill the vampires. So, Xena and Buffy find alot to talk about. They are heroic sisters. They both go up against incredible odds, the most horrific foes, their lives in great danger each time, so they have lots to talk about. You know -- shop talk. Later that night, alone together in Buffy's room... BUFFY: We studied Greek mythology in history, I never thought I'd be meeting, much less, working with a Greek myth. XENA: I never thought I'd be meeting, much less, working with someone 2000 years younger than me either. BUFFY: (looking at sharp pointy bones in Xena's travel pack) What are those? XENA: Driad bones. Only thing that will kill a Bacchite (vampiric follower of the god, Bacchus). BUFFY: I prefer a good wooden stake, myself. XENA: Yeah, I guess we each have our own tools of preference. My friend, Gabrielle, not much older than you, uses a wooden staff to defend herself. She is against killing, would never use a sword. BUFFY: My friends, Willow and Xander, have never killed anyone either. I'm the Slayer, that's my job. Besides I feel bad enough they put themselves in jeopardy each time they help me. XENA: It is a lonely job...being a hero. BUFFY: (an understanding look) Yes. I'm glad you're here. Just one of many possibilities that I'm sure the staffs of BtVS and XWP will explore. funee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:53:20 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG (personal life) RAS wrote: > 3. Also in another interview she mentioned that nothing is scarier than > high school. We all had some bad experiences at high school, did Sarah > have it extra tough being famous. When did she even have time to attend > between filming and commercials anyway. She didn't start doing a lot of commercials until around the age of 10. So up until then she just went to regular school. When she started Swans Crossing, she had an onscreen tutor. After that she went back to a couple different schools for about a year. She just had a ton of absences. After that she started going to Proffesional Children's School, which is a school for students of performing arts and that sort of thing, so they work around your schedule. She graduated from their about 2 years ago I think. > this Sarah, SLOW DOWN (a bit) your too much of a workaholic!!! :) "I'm a workaholic and I'm proud of it," - -Sarah Michelle Gellar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:56:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) At 11:30 PM 6/18/97 -0400, Robert Huff wrote: (regarding "Salty Goodness") > Um, I can think of another bodily fluid reputed to be salty. >I severely doubt it's the usage they intended, but given >Cordelia's behavior at the time .... Naw, it's gotta be an old ad slogan, right? For pretzels or something? It sounds sorta familiar. I can't believe Joss would make a bodily fluid reference so blatantly. Although, sweat is a salty bodily fluid and there would be a nearly limitless supply of volunteers from this list alone to lick *that* off of Angel's skin. Hope this comment has been worth its salt, Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:16:23 -0400 From: Anson Turner Subject: Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) Lisa Rose wrote: > > At 11:30 PM 6/18/97 -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > > (regarding "Salty Goodness") > > Um, I can think of another bodily fluid reputed to be salty. > > Naw, it's gotta be an old ad slogan, right? For pretzels or > something? It sounds sorta familiar. I can't believe Joss > would make a bodily fluid reference so blatantly. Only one person has mentioned this interpretation, and you're disbelieving. That's hardly what I'd consider "blatant". But there's no rule that says the line has to have One True Meaning. What would be the fun in that, anyway? Anson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:40:56 -0500 From: "Titania" Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG :see in her the first truly non-compromising female hero. It's only :NATURAL, DESIRABLE, and INEVITABLE that the BtVS and XWP casts and :creative staffs do a tie-in crossover series of episodes. : Funny, but "natural" "desirable" and "inevitable" would be the last words to enter my mind re: a Buffy/Xena pairing. Maybe "implausable" "silly" and "embarrassing" would be more appropriate. Not only are they two vastly different shows, they take place in *different times* and are created and owned by *different people*. The fact they're both strong female role models is simply not enough. This is a topic better addressed in fan fiction than on the screen. Kristy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:48:31 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS >Also, I saw this promo for an ep. of XWP that had vampires in it. Did >anyone see this ep. or promo? > >Katie kmasters@rof.net That Xena: Warrior Princess episode was called Girls Just Wanna Have Fun. It featured one of the logical tie-in possibilities to BtVS that they might use. The followers of the god Bacchus were these beautiful women who drank the blood of their victims. A vampire by any other name? Xena killed the Bacchites with the sharp bones of flying skeleton creatures called Driads. X:WP is notorious for mangling mythology, history, timelines, etc. so they would find little difficulty in writing an episode with Buffy in Xena's time and I'm sure Joss could do just as well with an episode featuring Xena in 1997. Maybe you're right -- it would look better initially to have Buffy go back to Xena's time...then have Xena visit Buffy in her time, of course. funee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:17:16 -0700 From: Jennifer Hawthorne Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS At 01:32 AM 6/19/97 -0700, thus sprake Lawless: >funee@juno.com wrote: >> BUFFY: Mom, like you to meet our new gym instructor, Xena. >If I ever hear this line on the show then I know it's time to stop >watching That makes two of us. Write it as fanfic and I'll be very amused. If it happens on the show I am OUTTA here. - -- Maytree (Who thinks the only decent crossover she's ever seen was the "Springfield Files" on the Simpsons, and that only worked because it was a parody, and a damned clever one.) - ------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne :: jen@pacwest.DIESPAM.net [To reply to this message, remove DIESPAM from address] - ------------------------------------------------------- How to Be an Evil Overlord: Rule 50. If I absolutely must ride into battle, I will certainly not ride at the forefront of my Legions of Terror, nor will I seek out my opposite number among his army. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) At 02:16 AM 6/19/97 -0400, Anson Turner wrote: >Only one person has mentioned this interpretation, and you're >disbelieving. That's hardly what I'd consider "blatant". Oh for something like this, blatancy might not be best measured by how often it's mentioned or believed. When I first heard Cordy say it, I thought immediately of what Mr. Huff suggested. But then I said "Naw, that can't be right on a PG-14 show, can it?" Many others may have had the same first impression (meaning it *could* have been sorta blatant), but, like me, would have been too *embarrassed* to mention it on the list. Rubbing salt in this topic's wounds, Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:45:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS At 01:39 AM 6/19/97 EDT, funee@juno.com wrote: >Come on, Buffy and Xena are a perfect match...they have lots to >talk about...Later that night, alone together in Buffy's room... Hmmm... I kinda like ending the story right here, and letting one's imagination do the rest (no need for all the extra dialogue!). Thanks for setting the stage, funee! . Who knows what would happen if you left a couple of women this powerful and passionate together in a closed bedroom for very long! L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:46:55 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy: READ Poster On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:47:52 -0700 slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) writes: >what is read poster? exactly? READ posters are those posters you see in your public library promoting reading. They have been an on-going part of the American Library Association's (ALA) pro-literacy campaign. A few typical READ posters available to the public ($8 apiece, ALA toll free #800-545-2433) and which you may see in your local libraries... 1. CAPTION: Conquer Mythology READ. Hercules (from the tv series Hercules: The Legendary Journeys) standing holding a scroll. 2. CAPTION: Vanquish Ignorance READ Xena (from the tv series Xena: Warrior Princess) holding a scroll. And my own idea proposed to Warner Brothers and the ALA for a future READ poster... CAPTION: Slay Ignorance READ Buffy and company (including monsters, vampires, etc.) with Giles in the center, all of them holding books. Since you gave me an excuse to talk about this, I will say that there is an alarming crisis in this country as far as our academic standing. Last year, the United States was ranked 17th BELOW many other countries worldwide academically. I believe at the root of the problem is the lack of reading/comprehenshion skills in many children. Once you fall behind in reading skills, your learning abilities suffer and deteriorate. Hence the importance of reading and the importance of the literacy campaigns utilizing heroes/role models such as the cast of BtVS who are unique and one-of-a-kind firsts in tv history in that they utilize the services of the library (including on-line searches, books, etc.) every week to understand and unravel mysteries. funee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 03:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 funee@juno.com wrote: > killed the Bacchites with the sharp bones of flying skeleton creatures > called Driads. In Greek mythology, a dryad is a tree spirit. Trees are wood. What would the sharpened bone of a tree spirit be, in essence? Let's not always see the same hands. :) I don't think I would stop watching the show in the event of a crossover, but neither would I consider the episode canon. Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:11:57 -0400 (EDT) From: WiliQueen@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Bronze cover/ID riddle solved! I can't *believe* it took me a whole day to think of this. The "no cover" deal is only for locals. Also explains my longstanding question of why there seemed to be an either/or going on (I had actually forgotten about Cordy saying there was no cover by the time that scene came up)--we see one girl just show the bouncer a card in her wallet, then the next kid in line hands him money. You need to have an ID with a Sunnydale address or a student ID from SHS or the community college, or else you pay like any other night. Lots of football or basketball games Friday night; this way they make money off the visiting team that isn't filling their coffers the rest of the week. Later! Valerie * WiliQueen@aol.com Slayerette * NatPack * BBPG * Broadway Baby * etc... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:32:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Lisa Rose: > Who knows what would happen if you left a couple of women this > powerful and passionate together in a closed bedroom for very > long! Another insurance claim to join the ranks of "I was driving along peacefully when the road moved and caused me to crash into the tree ...."? Who knows - maybe Buffy has many skills, and they'll spend the evening discussing needlepoint. Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:26:59 -0500 From: David Daniel Anderson Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS A response to Lisa Rose >Who knows what would happen if you left a couple of women this >powerful and passionate together in a closed bedroom for very >long! Are you one of those people who believes every powerful and passionate woman must be gay? Buffy and Xena have both been shown to be highly attracted sexually to men, and men only, so I really don't see how people can think that either one is a lesbian - or even bisexual. I see no basis for your suggestive remark. They are both hetero - deal with it. DDA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:34:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) Lisa Rose again: > Oh for something like this, blatancy might not be best measured > by how often it's mentioned or believed. When I first heard > Cordy say it, I thought immediately of what Mr. Huff suggested. I'll confess that my suggestion was in fact not my first reaction - I considered it a throw-away line. Then someone asked for possible explanations, and .... Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:46:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Jennifer Hawthorne: > >If I ever hear this line on the show then I know it's time to stop > >watching > > That makes two of us. Write it as fanfic and I'll be very > amused. If it happens on the show I am OUTTA here. I'm not sure I'd stop watching. But the writing would have to be so far beyond superlative that I doubt even the talents involved can pull it off ... and I'd much rather no crossover than a bad one. Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:57:52 -0400 From: Sharon Himmanen Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS At 07:26 AM 6/19/97 -0500, David Daniel Anderson wrote: >Buffy and Xena have both been >shown to be highly attracted sexually to men, and men only, so I >really don't see how people can think that either one is a lesbian - >or even bisexual. I see no basis for your suggestive remark. They are both >hetero -deal with it. Well, that's a matter open to interpretation, so a few IMOs sprinkled in here would have been appreciated. But I'm stepping in on this. Trust me, if the "is she, isn't she" flamewar (regarding *either* Xena or Buffy) starts up on this list I WILL stomp all over it. This debate brings out the worst in *everyone* on both sides. So lets just not go there, OK. I don't mind a discussion, but I'm not entirely certain this topic can be discussed rationally by people, mostly because the ones who feel most strongly about it get the most involved in the discussion (believe me I've been there, done that, have the tshirt so I'm the voice of experience on this). Sharon - -- Sharon A. Himmanen * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com Ask me about the Buffy the Vampire Slayer mailing list "Her church is sarcastic." --Randomly generated ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:25:45 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net Subject: BUFFY: Buffy: Some Thoughts Okay, Buffy's the slayer. We all know that. But what if something happend to her where she couldn't perform her duties or she lost the strength to hunt vampires? Would they then call someone else who did have strength, or would she still have to do it? Katie kmasters@rof.net Keeper of Angel's Human Form Keeper of Buffy's Past Popularity Keeper of Buffy's Nail Polish President of Buffy's Little Slayers Vice President of Willitez http://www.angelfire.com/co/vampireslayer/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:30:37 -0400 (EDT) From: tan3@cornell.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Ok, I've read lots of opinions on this subject, so I felt it necessary to toss in my two bits o'copper: I watch both shows avidly, and I love them both. Both have strong female characters, but I think the crossover would be too much of a stretch for even these most gifted writers to pull off believably. These two characters are both great in their own ways, but I believe that both of them would shine less brightly in the opposite domain. I like watching Xena travel around the untamed Greek wilds, set upon by Gods and the like, and I like watching Buffy travel around the over-tamed suburb wilds, set upon by other types of supernatural forces. Just because two things are great separately doesn't mean they go well together: if you don't believe me, just try chocolate-covered cheese. :) Tracey Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:31:52 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: No cover at The Bronze? >There was no cover for teenagers, but there was a charge for those over 21. But why would it matter how old youwere? Didn't one of the staff (Scott or Joss, maybe) say that the Bronze did NOT serve alchohl at all? Katie kmasters@rof.net Keeper of Angel's Human Form Keeper of Buffy's Past Popularity Keeper of Buffy's Nail Polish President of Buffy's Little Slayers Vice President of Willitez http://www.angelfire.com/co/vampireslayer/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: tan3@cornell.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy game On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 PalOBuffys@aol.com wrote: > How about if one of the big gaming software companies came up > with a Buffy the Vampire Slayer game! If they thought Lara Croft in Tomb > Raider was tough, they haven't met Buffy Summers! This is an awesome idea. I just finished Tomb Raider (was a leetle disappointed by the ending), and now I just have to wait until the next "thing". She could pick up the crossbow, and find bolts lying around, or stuff like that. That would be SO cool. Tracey Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:56:48 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS At 2:48 AM -0400 6/19/97, funee@juno.com wrote: >Xena killed the Bacchites with the sharp bones of flying skeleton creatures >called Driads. Bacchae (Bah-kye) , funee, Bacchae. :-) >X:WP is notorious for mangling mythology, history, timelines, etc Yes, just look at what they did to the Bacchae and the Dryads (it was very clever, too. Perfect for a halloween ep). Speaking of which, what kind of things do people think Buffy should do for her halloween ep? (Im dreading the Very Special Thanksgiving Episode. Buffy distributing blood packs to hungry vampires. "Today, no slaying!" shudder) >they would find little difficulty in writing an episode with Buffy in >Xena's time and I'm sure Joss could do just as well with an episode >featuring Xena in 1997. You are *really* obsessed with this idea, my friend! But I go in with everyone else on this and say that just because SMG thinks its a cool idea doesn't necessarily mean she thinks its a realistic one. You seem to have some really concrete ideas of what would happen if Buffy met Xena, why don't you write the fanfic and post it to one of the fanfic sites? I know I'd like to read it. Just to tease you gently, maybe we can introduce Xena at the same time we introduce the Ricean vampires. Now wouldn't that leave us all exhausted and bitter! :-D Lestat: "God kills indiscriminately; so shall we." Xena: (flips through the air) ai-yi-yi-yi. (lands in front of Lestat, chakram ready. In menacing drawl) Lestat. What're you doing here? Buffy: (unsure whom to stake) I am so confused. Did someone replace my normal reality with Folger's reality crystals? The always sensible and informative Robert Huff wrote: > Don't cross over the characters, cross over the actors. >Michael Hurst and Alexandra Tydings appear on campus as a >producer and star who want to do a TV show ... that sounds oddly >like "Buffy", but with the librarian as the hero. Now this has been the most plausible idea I've heard to pull this sort of thing off. Unfortunately, it smacks of a level of slapstick parody that I don't think we've seen in Buffy. A long, long time ago on the postingboard, we went through a Buffy vs. Callisto phase to which Joss jokingly responded that he would love to have Hudson Leick on the show, only he'd cast her as the soul of goodness just to see how she would do it. Sarah wrote: >In Greek mythology, a dryad is a tree spirit. Trees are wood. What would >the sharpened bone of a tree spirit be, in essence? Let's not always see >the same hands. :) Great catch, Sarah! I totally missed that one, and I like to think that I remember my mythology. You is smart. JJ, "aaaah! I'm condensing, condensing!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:01:18 EDT From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (The Archangel Gabriel) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Salty Goodness...... Confessional's open and I'm here to repent, In regards to "Salty Goodness"....well....color me a pervert but I was thinking more the *BLATANT* route. The only reason I never commented on it was because I thought everyone else thought of it the same way. I was actually surprised to see a comment on what we all thought it meant. Maybe I'm just a dirty old man but it seemed pretty obvious to me. "Salty Goodness" doesn't have to be anything quite as cheeky as (cough...cough) bodily fluids. Hasn't anyone ever heard the comment, "You look good enough to eat"? It's pretty clear that Cord. is making a comment on Angel's..........attractiveness. Come on ladies, as I've read on this post as well as many others, wouldn't you jump at the chance to snuggle with the ol' Angel-meister!!! You can't tell me that when the "Salty Goodness" comment came out you didn't say, with much adulation...............AMEN!!!! Regardless of this terms "TRUE" meaning, I don't think there's any doubt that you use it when you see someone you fancy. As far as being Politically Correct (I had enough of that in College) being that this is a PG-13 site........ I know some 13 year old's, and they might as well be sailors, for all the filth that spews form their mouths. Hell they're teaching me stuff. "Kids" is a subjective term. I understand the need for discretion but lets not fool ourselves, "Kids" are a lot more savvy than we take them for. A Pretty Yummy Guy in His Own Right, THE "ARCH" ANGEL KEEPER OF XANDER'S TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:07:38 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) To hold a seance for a dead horse: At 7:28 PM -0400 6/18/97, DaisyFoo14@aol.com wrote: >i know this sounds really ignorant or clueless or whatever, but I just don't >get the "Hello, Salty Goodness" line. Will someone please explain it to me? I >can be kinda slow with some things sometimes............. Human beings are by their nature slightly salty creatures. Lick your own skin and you can kind of taste it (if you're at work or in public, go into a restroom to do this, for goodness' sake!) We often speak of the "nutty" goodness of certain wholesome snack foods, breakfast cereals, or chocolate bars. Here Cordelia has combined the two to generate the concept of Salty Goodness (just as Socrates postulated the parable of the cave to explain his theory of forms), which in a kind of sexist way, demeans our boy Angel to the level of snack food (i.e., "I could just gobble you up."). Had Angel been exercising vigorously prior to entering the bronze and covered with a fine sheen of sweat, she might have said something equally saucy, such as, "Mmm, mmm, I like my beefcake with a lick of salt," or perhaps the more Homeric, "mmm...beefcake." Salty Goodness is Mother; Salty Goodness is Father. JJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:05:32 -0400 (EDT) From: hades@Atcon.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy game At 18:17 18/06/97 -0400, you wrote: >The highest level would be the ultimate showdown with the new master! Colin, >Angel? > >Man, I wish I could write code!!!! Thats the best idea ive heard in a long time! But writing code is easy if you got the righ tools. I'm not supposed to say this but IF you REALLY wanted to do this game you WOULD go to http://ftpsearch.ntnu.no/ftpsearch and search for vb30.zip. of course this is hypothetical and i am in NO way telling you to take this program that would normally cost you 450 bucks. >Mike >Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear >"Yesterday my life's like, uh-oh, pop quiz. Today it's rain of toads" > Xander - "The Harvest" > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:12:38 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG At 7:26 PM -0600 6/18/97, Jodie King wrote: >>I hear that the guy who plays Angel on Buffy is coming back next season as >a >regular. Are he and Buffy going to get together again romantically? >SMG answered: Yes, he will be back, but I won't say in what capacity or >for how long. >This response makes me quite nervous. Hmm, glad to know I'm not the only one who saw this. Especially since I heard a rumor that she and DB were dating. If they were dating and broke up acrimoniously, don't you think that would affect the working situation? (which is why I always dread hearing rumors about actors on the same show I like dating. boundaries...being...crossed...). Lawless seems to be our resident SMG gossip source; will you confirm or deny? Not starting any rumors, just kinda curious... JJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:30:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS > (Im dreading > the Very Special Thanksgiving Episode. Buffy distributing > blood packs to hungry vampires. "Today, no slaying!" > shudder) So what does she get them for Christmas? > Now this has been the most plausible idea I've heard to pull this > sort of thing off. Unfortunately, it smacks of a level of > slapstick parody that I don't think we've seen in Buffy. You're kidding, right? No slapstick in Buffy? Heh. I don't see slapstick - I see in-jokes; in-jokes, like the proverbial swarm of lemmings .... > A long, > long time ago on the postingboard, we went through a Buffy > vs. Callisto phase to which Joss jokingly responded that he would > love to have Hudson Leick on the show, only he'd cast her as the > soul of goodness just to see how she would do it. Someone so utterly pure her very presence repels vampires and other such, and whose mindless goodness freaks the school. Husdon v. Cordelia ... excuse me, I'll sit down now. Damn, Joss is good. Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:32:38 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: BUFFY: my horrific realization: the Buffy/Grease II connection. Last night, I was listening to the soundtrack for Grease II (does anyone remember this movie?) and with my love of seeing Buffy everywhere I look, I realized that DB and SMG bear a startling resemblance to a young Maxwell Caulfield and Michelle Pfeiffer. Then I noticed that Alyson reminds me of Didi Conn's Frenchy and that Nick reminds me of Adrian Zmed and that Charisma reminds me of the Sagal Twins (who play cheerleaders in this movie) and then I envisioned SMG singing Cool Rider (I want a C-O-O-L R-I-D-E-R) and then I started imagining big musical productions in Buffy tVS and then I realized that someone needed to chop off my head before I went too far... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:39:51 -0400 From: Anson Turner Subject: BUFFY: Dr. Seuss? Both SMG and Alyson Hannigan have named Dr. Seuss as a source of inspiration. What does this bode for BtVS? Is there a rhyming episode in the show's future? What rhymes with "Xena"? Anson. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:49:19 -0700 From: "LB" Subject: Re: BUFFY: my horrific realization: the Buffy/Grease II connection. Jesse Jou wrote: > Last night, I was listening to the soundtrack for Grease II (does anyone > remember this movie?) LOL! (snip the various casting choices) Yeah, I remember Grease 2 - I think I can still quote all the lyrics from *Reproduction*! Anyway, how about Giles as that unassuming but good-looking substitute teacher and Ms. Calendar as the seductive Ms. Mason? Lesley GASP, OBSSE, LOMIG, MBMDS, SAB bring back the Mulderglasses! Mulderwear Omnia Vincit! http://members.aol.com/mldrglss/ctlg.html the very casual SAB page http://members.aol.com/scullywear/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:55:52 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS At 10:30 AM -0400 6/19/97, Robert Huff wrote: > So what does she get them for Christmas? Little stake shaped Christmas tree ornaments with "Love, Buffy" written on them. Can you imagine Alyson and Nick dressed like Santa's Little Helpers? Or ASH? Oh, how cute! > You're kidding, right? No slapstick in Buffy? Heh. > I don't see slapstick - I see in-jokes; in-jokes, like >the proverbial swarm of lemmings .... I keep seeing Nick Brendon tripping over himself trying to get into Mighty Aphrodite's tunic. > Someone so utterly pure her very presence repels vampires >and other such, and whose mindless goodness freaks the school. >Husdon v. Cordelia ... excuse me, I'll sit down now. > Damn, Joss is good. I guess it's a pity there's no high school girl's mud wrestling. JJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:30:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Character Growth (Re: a few random thoughts) > >but I just don't get the "Hello, Salty Goodness" line. Will > >someone please explain it to me? I > >can be kinda slow with some things sometimes............. > > Hmm, I don't know.... Blood is salty? Maybe the line just > sounded good to the writers. Um, I can think of another bodily fluid reputed to be salty. I severely doubt it's the usage they intended, but given Cordelia's behavior at the time .... Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:19:47 EDT From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (The Archangel Gabriel) Subject: Re: BUFFY: my horrific realization: the Buffy/Grease II connection. On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:32:38 -0400 Jesse Jou writes: >Last night, I was listening to the soundtrack for Grease II.....I envisioned SMG >singing Cool Rider (I want a C-O-O-L R-I-D-E-R) and then I started imagining big >musical productions in Buffy tVS and then I realized that someone needed to >chop off my head before I went too far.... (Laughing Hysterically) That is totally AWESOME!!!! I absolutely love it!!!! I can see it now!!!! Buffy's got everything....From Xena to Grease 2!!!! What more could you want???? One of the Original T-Birds, THE "ARCH" ANGEL KEEPER OF XANDER'S TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:19:47 EDT From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (The Archangel Gabriel) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Idle Down....... On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:57:52 -0400 Sharon Himmanen writes: >But I'm stepping in on this. (In regards to the plethora of Xena/Buffy comments) Awww Mom!! Do I have to stop??? (Sorry....Couldn't pass up the opportunity.) As I skimmed through my messages this morning, I found at least twenty having to do with this melodrama that is the "Buffy/Xena Discussion". As I read, it started off as being some playful comments in regards to the idea. Some Pro, some Con. Poor "funee" must have been tapping on the computer all night, not that I think he minded coming up with plot lines for a crossover. But as I went on, it got drastically more aggressive. From people threatening to quit watching the show to someone making an innocent innuendo (As far as I was concerned) which was flamed with such fury I had to step back and put on my shades. Come on people.....IDLE DOWN a few notches. Is anyone really going to stop watching the show because it has one episode they don't like. I'm not a purveyor of this Xena/Buffy thing but I'd still watch. I'd most likely be rolling my eyes, lighting a lot of cigarettes, and scratching my head but so what. You either like the idea or not, no need to get nasty. As diverse as all of interests are, are we not all united under our common view that B.T.V.S. is a "Salty Goodness" kind of show? It's just for fun remember.......(sob sob) Can't we all just get along? Now before people start lighting up, I'm writing this in a state of good faith. I'm not looking for a fight. God....I've calmed down since I started doing all this. Pulling a quote from my past flame response file: "I'm just sitting hear, eating an apple and drinking Minute Maid....I wasn't hopping up and down freaking out." I'm just a big puppy dog. Preparing for the Birage at the Home of the "FLAME", THE "ARCH" ANGEL KEEPER OF XANDER'S TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE (Are you talkin' to me? Are YOU talkin' to me? You must be talkin' to me cuz there's no one else here!) Let's talk........archangel-ichiban@juno.com ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #149 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-buffy": subscribe buffy-digest local-buffy@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "buffy-digest" in the commands above with "buffy". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/buffy/archive. These are organized by date.