From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #150 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Thursday, June 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 150 In this issue: BUFFY: Re: a few random thoughts) BUFFY: Bacchus as Vampire Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS BUFFY: Dr. Seuss/More reading list plotlines Re: BUFFY: Nicholas Has A Identical Twin? Re: BUFFY: SMG Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS BUFFY: Re: Hudson Leick Re: BUFFY: Dr. Seuss/More reading list plotlines RE: BUFFY: SMG BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Re: Salty Goodness...... BUFFY: Re: Idle Down BUFFY: Sundry Comments Re: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: SMG BUFFY: Poll: Who Do You Prefer? BUFFY: Xena: Warrior Seamstress/Buffy Vampire Tailor Re: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: How old is Alyson BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Poll: Who Do You Prefer? Re: BUFFY: Slayer theory Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: well i'll be damned BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: How old is Alyson BUFFY: X E N A BUFFY: Re: Giles can be Salty too..... Re: BUFFY: Nicholas Has A Identical Twin? Re: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS RE: BUFFY: Re: Salty Goodness...... BUFFY: Re: WHOA!!!! Re: BUFFY: X E N A Re: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS Re: BUFFY: SMG See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:35:31 EDT From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (The Archangel Gabriel) Subject: BUFFY: Re: a few random thoughts) On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Robert Huff writes: >Um, I can think of another bodily fluid reputed to be salty. I severely doubt it's the >usage they intended, but given Cordelia's behavior at the time .... (cough....cough) Mr. Huff PLEASE!!!! (Tapping a ruler on your desk) Manners. Manners. (Now laughing hysterically........) Evidentally not the only one, THE "ARCH" ANGEL KEEPER OF XANDER'S TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Shelley Durocher u Subject: BUFFY: Bacchus as Vampire On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 kmasters@rof.net wrote: > >Xena, by an act of the gods (maybe the Fates), is transported to > >Sunnydale, California 1997, where she must find the descendant of the > >vampiric god Bacchus to prevent him from becoming the new Master who may > >enslave Mankind. Xena has been told by the Fates that she must work with > >one called the 'Slayer' to overcome this evil. > > Also, I saw this promo for an ep. of XWP that had vampires in it. Did > anyone see this ep. or promo? > > Interesting idea, but no. I'm with Lawless on this one. I like XWP; I like Buffy, but never the twain shall meet. In regard to your guestion about the vampire promo, the only XWP ep or promo I've seen is the Hallowe'en episode with Bacchus. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:15:34 EDT From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (The Archangel Gabriel) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:55:52 -0400 Jesse Jou writes: >I guess it's a pity there's no high school girl's mud wrestling. As inherently wrong as I know this is................HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! THE "ARCH" ANGEL KEEPER OF XANDER'S TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:21:01 +0100 From: Alex Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Jennifer Hawthorne wrote: > -- Maytree > (Who thinks the only decent crossover she's ever seen was the "Springfield > Files" on the Simpsons, and that only worked because it was a parody, and a > damned clever one.) Maggie: The Vampire Slayer? Now that would be hilarious!! Little Maggie running around witha stake in her hand, Homer drunk on the couch. Okay, so I am a little mental, your point? - -ALEX Keeper of Pike's Motorcycle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:31:06 -0700 From: Kathryn Johnston Subject: BUFFY: Dr. Seuss/More reading list plotlines Hello, all! If you caught my list of classic literature/folk legends that could inspire Buffy plots, you might have noticed that I mentioned two Dr. Seuss stories that would fit into "Buffy." One was "What Was I Scared of" (which is the last story in the "Sneetches" book), and "500 Hats of Barthelmew Cubbins." I had a couple of more thoughts" Red Shoes by Hans Christian Andersen (fairy tale) Girl who loves dancing gets red shoes. When she wears them inappropriately, they force her to dance and dance--until she is about to die. She only is saved when her feet get amputated. It is a harsh tale but does have a metaphor for artists or athletes who get too obsessed. Devil Comes to Georgia (song) Cross Roads (film) Folk legend of blues guitarist, Robert Johnson "Devil and Daniel Webster" (short story) Faust (many versions, including Goethe) In these tales, a person trades his soul for his or her heart's desire. In some versions, the person realizes too late what he or she has lost, and is damned to hell. In some variations, the person (sometimes with an advocate) manages to win back the soul before damnation. Of course, the devil gets the best part. I was having so much fun casting great musicians to play the devil. Everyone for cherubic Dudley Moore (piano), to suave Sting or David Bowie, to Jim Bynes (Joe on "Highlander"--his limp would be an advantage since the devil sometimes limps because of his cloved feet), to B.B. King, or Little Richard, to Eartha Kitt (Catwoman in the original tv "Batman"). Angel would make a great advocate, since of course, he already has experienced what its like to lose one's soul... Any other ideas? Kathryn the librarian PS I think that I have avoided the fan fiction pitfalls since these are all good things to read while waiting for new Buffy episodes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:21:22 -0400 From: Amiee_Collier@usccmail.lehman.com (Amiee Collier) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Nicholas Has A Identical Twin? On Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:20:47 -0700 (PDT), Sonja Marie wrote: >an identical twin brother.> > >Does anyone know if this is true or not? Hum. This was mentioned in the '16' article Anime Nut was kind enough to send me. According to them, he has a twin brother named Kelly, with whom he shares a house. The only reason I doubt this: on the Loveline show, he says 'hello' to his two younger brothers. Maybe it's uncool to say hello to your twin on the radio...? :) Amiee (a.k.a. Daytripper) The Babe Known as Xander: http://members.tripod.com/~AE_Collier/nicholas.html "Hey! / What's that on your face there Chester? / Wipe it off / It's making me sick! / [pause...] / Wipe it off!" Brak's Poem from CARTOON PLANET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:42:57 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG >Funny, but "natural" "desirable" and "inevitable" would be the last >words to enter my mind re: a Buffy/Xena pairing. Maybe >"implausable" "silly" and "embarrassing" would be more >appropriate. Not only are they two vastly different shows, they >Kristy Would you have the courage of your convictions to say that to Sarah Michelle Gellar? Still in favor of Xena/BtVS crossovers! funee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:47:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Gail Celio Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Robert Huff hypothesized about conversation topics between Buffy and Xena: > > Who knows - maybe Buffy has many skills, and they'll spend > the evening discussing needlepoint. ANNOUNCER: "Tune in next week when Xena: Warrior Seamstress meets Buffy the Vampire Tailor!" [establishing shot of BUFFY and XENA sitting in a room. BUFFY holds stretched fabric in her hands while peering at a cross-stitch pattern beside her, while XENA embroiders.] BUFFY: "Oh shoot, I ran out of floss. Xena, do you have any six-strand DMC 130?" XENA: "Sorry, closest I have is 135. What fabric are you using?" BUFFY: "Aida 20-count." XENA: "Hmm, you'll probably want to use two-strand anyways. [Suddenly the door crashes in and a variety of vampires and Greek-esque warriors enter, looking menacing.] XENA: [standing] "Pleasant hoop dreams, guys." [yanks fabric from her embroidery hoop and launches it chakrum-style at the intruders. The hoop bounces off each of the warriors' heads, rendering them unconscious, before returning to XENA's hand.] BUFFY: [facing the vampires, she holds up her sewing project in their faces] "Hey, get a load of my CROSS-stitch!" [As the vampires recoil in terror, BUFFY gives a quick round-house kick to one, a left-hook to another, etc., until they too lie prone on the ground] "Ugh, those pants! *Totally* seventies. Let's shorten that hem..." - ---- ...Or something like that. :) - --Gail ObBVSQ: "A stitch in time saves nine, Giles, but it did squat against The Three." - Buffy, "Buffy the Vampire Tailor" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:49:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Shelley Durocher u Subject: BUFFY: Re: Hudson Leick > > A long, > > long time ago on the postingboard, we went through a Buffy > > vs. Callisto phase to which Joss jokingly responded that he would > > love to have Hudson Leick on the show, only he'd cast her as the > > soul of goodness just to see how she would do it. > > Someone so utterly pure her very presence repels vampires > and other such, and whose mindless goodness freaks the school. > Husdon v. Cordelia ... excuse me, I'll sit down now. > Damn, Joss is good. > > Hudson Leick did the utter goodness as an angel on "Touched by an Angel". This has likely already been said, but I'm relatively new here, so I thought I'd mention it just in case. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:56:39 -0500 From: Tracey Newton Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dr. Seuss/More reading list plotlines >I had a couple of more thoughts" > >Red Shoes by Hans Christian Andersen (fairy tale) >Girl who loves dancing gets red shoes. When she wears them >inappropriately, they force her to dance and dance--until she is about >to die. She only is saved when her feet get amputated. It is a harsh >tale but does have a metaphor for artists or athletes who get too >obsessed. > This sounds like a great story, but wasn't it already done, in the "Friday the 13th" series? Very very cool series, for those of you who haven't seen it. Not sure where it's airing now, but it's about a man and his two helpers who run a shop, or almost a museum, of cursed items (tattoo kit whose tattoos come to life, things like that). I'm wary of bringing too many "cursed items" to Buffy, because it would be very easy to fall into a "Friday the 13th"-esque show. More of my strange and bizarre opinions... Tracey Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School tan3@cornell.edu Cornell University ********************************* "I have not failed 10,000 times. I have merely found 10,000 ways that will not work." -Thomas Edison (on the eve of his 10,000th failed experiment) ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 16:47:33 UT From: "Dawn Hargraves" Subject: RE: BUFFY: SMG >If they were dating and broke >up acrimoniously, don't you think that would affect the working situation? In answering this question if they broke and had to work together romantically, it would not effect the way they were because the are professionals! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:01:16 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS Ahhhhhhhh! Some of your are too negative and unimaginative. You remind me of my baby sister who separates her food into different areas on her plate and has a tantrum if the potatoes touches the salad. She has to eat each piece of food one at a time separately. Ya gotta mix it up sometimes!!! If you've got one ounce of open-mindedness, if you've not closed all the doors of your mind and heart, you will remain open to the possibility. For, if there is ever an impetus that brings out the best in an artist it is a CHALLENGE. And, if you've seen Xena: Warrior Princess you know how utterly experienced, creative, and awesome are the writers of that show. I need not speak of the talents of Joss Whedon, we all know he is a phenomenom in his own right. Combine the two and they can do and WILL DO anything with style and excitement. I think the crossovers will happen. Of course, being a classy person myself, when it does happen and you all say, "That was the BEST episode ever!" I won't tell you, "I told you so." You may bow, funee (: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:11:52 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS At 12:47 PM -0400 6/19/97, Gail Celio wrote: >ANNOUNCER: "Tune in next week when Xena: Warrior Seamstress meets Buffy >the Vampire Tailor!" Would the episode be called, "How to Make a Heroine Quilt?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Salty Goodness...... On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, The Archangel Gabriel wrote: I've read on this post as well as many others, wouldn't you jump at the > chance to snuggle with the ol' Angel-meister!!! You can't tell me that > when the "Salty Goodness" comment came out you didn't say, with much > adulation...............AMEN!!!!> Nope not this lady. I'd prefer Giles in a heart beat. Angel is all well and good, but I'm not atrracted to him or his plight, but it still makes a good show. And I know I'm not the only one who prefers Giles way over Angel. Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:33:58 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: Re: Idle Down From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (The Archangel Gabriel) >playful comments in regards to the idea. Some Pro, some Con. Poor "funee" must have been >tapping on the computer all night, not that I think he minded coming up with plot lines for a >crossover. But as I went on, it got drastically more aggressive. ------------------------------ Date: From: RemencusL@jsc.mil Subject: BUFFY: Sundry Comments Danielle suggested: >>thought that same thing, or maybe angel had once killed a slayer ie: Buffy in a former life.<< Not to burst any bubbles, but Joss posted to the posting board that Angel has never approached another Slayer. Buffy is his Angel's first direct contact with a Slayer. Archangel said: >>"Giles Library Play Set: Including Falling Bookshelves, Cabinet of Slaying Weapons, and Exploding Hellmouth Floor! Now With New Musty Smell!!!"<< I *love* this, well, except for the musty smell (allergies). The idea of an exploding Hellmouth floor is just too funny! Kathyrn eloquently offered: >>been re-watching almost the entire season of Buffy. (I have only missed "Teacher's Pet.") Willow and Xander have shown more than usual courage almost from the beginning, and its improved as the series progressed. << I agree. Willow and Xander are pretty amazing friends. Buffy is very fortunate to have them. I think their courage comes from knowing their limitations and their strengths. They have a healthy sense of their own mortality for teenagers. Tracey signs: >>Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School<< I really like this. Very cool! Jesse offered: >>movie) and then I envisioned SMG singing Cool Rider (I want a C-O-O-L R-I-D-E-R) and then I started imagining big musical productions in Buffy TVs<< LOL!!! Actually, Buffy and Co doing a musical episode would be a lot of fun. Musical crossovers would be even funnier. All our heroes suddenly break into song for no apparent reason: Giles suddenly thrown into the Rocky Horror Picture show, Angel and Buffy thrown into Grease 2, Willow and Xander thrown into Oklahoma, and Cordelia thrown into Evita... I'll stop now. This is messing with my head. :-) Leslie Natpack~HPotCoS~GASPer~AGA~Slayerette "I told you to eat before we left!" --Xander, BtVS: "Prophecy Girl" LaremyB@aol.com or RemencusL@jsc.mil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:47:25 -0400 From: Jesse Jou Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS At 1:01 PM -0400 6/19/97, funee@juno.com wrote: >Ahhhhhhhh! Some of your are too negative and unimaginative. funee, funee, funee, my pet, we are neither too negative or unimaginative; we just approach things that sound chancey with due suspicion. >If you've got one ounce of open-mindedness, if you've not closed all the >doors of your mind and heart, you will remain open to the possibility. We've been very open-minded and imaginative; your problem with our criticism is that most of the scenarios we've imagined don't paint a particularly rosey picture of this mating. >For, if there is ever an impetus that brings out the best in an artist it >is a CHALLENGE. Agreed, but sometimes it creates something so horrible to behold that it scars many for many lifetimes. >And, if you've seen Xena: Warrior Princess you know how >utterly experienced, creative, and awesome are the writers of that show. no question. >I need not speak of the talents of Joss Whedon, we all know he is a >phenomenom in his own right. again, no question. >Combine the two and they can do and WILL DO >anything with style and excitement. debatable. Neil Gaiman is great. Jim Lee is great. Should the two colloborate on a comic book together? Not necessarily. It's a question of interests and shared tone. You made excellent points about Xena as an icon of 90's television, but she was preceded by other "landmark" female figures including Wonder Woman, Emma Peel, Lt. Uhura, and more. Is it appropriate for any of these women to appear in BtVS in their character roles? What you have not addressed is the fundamentally different tones of the show: BtVS is done in the tone of traditional horror and Xena is done in the tone of 30's serial adventures (think, the short lived Captain Zoom from the same guys); Xena thumbs her nose at many conventions of classical mythology while BtVS is very much about traditional horror imagery (the only reversal being Buffy becoming the empowered victim.); BtVS is contemporary in the sense of present day, Xena is contemporary to the point of being anachronistic. How would you resolve these issues? Some collaborations between great minds give you great stuff. Other collaborations between great minds give you the atomic bomb. You feel the former; many of us feel the latter, and some of us are supportive but trepidatious (sp.?). All are equally valid perspectives regardless of what SMG may think. >I think the crossovers will happen. If they do, I hope they're done to advance the narrative of both shows and not just because it would be cool. >when it does happen and you all say, "That was the BEST episode >ever!" I won't tell you, "I told you so." Or you may wind up saying, "Gee that wasn't as good as I thought it would be." The glass is neither half full or half empty. There's just not enough water in it to reach the top. No flame war, please! JJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:45:12 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG Jesse Jou wrote: > Hmm, glad to know I'm not the only one who saw this. Especially since I > heard a rumor that she and DB were dating. If they were dating and broke > up acrimoniously, don't you think that would affect the working situation? > (which is why I always dread hearing rumors about actors on the same show I > like dating. boundaries...being...crossed...). I can't really make a confirmation since my sources haven't said anything about it. I'm pretty sure she's not dating him although she has been known to date her onscreen romances. Give me a couple weeks to find out for sure. And I doubt it would affect the working situation. Sarah takes her career over everything else, and there's no way she would put it in jeopardy over a relationship. If they were dating and they broke up, she would be very proffesional about it and you wouldn't see any change in the show. And the reason I think the Sarah/David B rumor got started is because she said in an interview somewhere that he was hot, so someone on the posting board took that to mean she was dating him. That's why I don't hold too much basis to it. It was started pretty much the same way as the "Charisma pregnant with David's child" rumor got started. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Poll: Who Do You Prefer? Hi all, I'm conducting another Poll, this time regarding who you like on the show. Originally I was going to set it up in to two sections, one for women to vote on and one for men, but that would be generalizing, assuming all men like women and all women like men. So instead I'll do it this way: I'll list the 3 main characters in each gender, if you vote you must choose ONE person in each gender catagory, whether it be the character you like, the actor, you're attracted to them etc. All Votes Most be sent to me PRIVATELY, once voting dies done I'll post the results. Women on the show: CHOOSE ONE 1. Buffy Summers 2. Willow Rosenberg 3. Cordelia Chase (Note: I'm not including Joyce or Ms. Calendar cause it would not make the sections even and adding Snyder and Master to do so seems well wierd :D). Men on the show: CHOOSE ONE 1. Rupert Giles 2. Xander Harris 3. Angel Have fun and Remember send your chose to me PRIVATELY! Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:52:01 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: Xena: Warrior Seamstress/Buffy Vampire Tailor >On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Robert Huff hypothesized about conversation >topics >between Buffy and Xena: >> >> Who knows - maybe Buffy has many skills, and they'll spend >> the evening discussing needlepoint. This could ACTUALLY happen. You know at the end of each episode where they leave us with a lighthearted joke and parting shot. Could happen. Would be cute to see Xena and Buffy sewing together at the end. And it would be logical. If you've seen X:WP you know Gabrielle does her own mending and sewing, I suppose Xena is not beyond using a needle and thread. And surely, Buffy has taken Home Economics. The lives of both our heroines, Xena and Buffy, are filled with occasional moments of adventure and danger, but what do they do the rest of the time? ANSWER: Live like normal people. They have to eat sleep, go to the batchroom, so why not also sew? funee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:59:08 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS funee@juno.com wrote: > If you've got one ounce of open-mindedness, if you've not closed all the Open mindedness?! I'm the one that suggested a Buffy/Jurrassic Park crossover, I'm far from closed minded. > I think the crossovers will happen. Of course, being a classy person > myself, when it does happen and you all say, "That was the BEST episode IMO, I am almost 99% positive that we will never see a Buffy/Xena crossover. Don't you remember Sarah saying in an interview something about the show being less camp from the movie? I doubt the movie would have even gone that far. The shows are VERY different. This isn't as easy as a Magnum P.I./Spenser: For Hire crossover. Th good thing about Buffy is that it does have some plausibility to it. A lot of people don't tune into the show because they remember how satiric the movie was. What do you think would happen if someone tuned into Buffy for the first time and saw her wearing a loin cloth and riding an 80 foot tall sea serpent. Someone else mentioned something about having the actors crossover, but not the characters. That's the only sensible thing they could do. The two shows aren't even produced by the same people. Name one instance where a crossover of this nature has taken place and been successful. Where a character from a completely different show has crossover to another show and it hasn't been incredibly stupid. And cartoons don't count either. Plus, I realize that the writing skills of Joss and the people at Xena are incredible, but I very seriously doubt that Joss would ever want to take the show in that direction, even if he did have the authority to do such a thing. - -lawless ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:17:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Fantdave@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS Tell me I didn't read that right ! Occasionally stretching reality is ok by me, but that just cracked it right in half. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Fantdave@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: How old is Alyson Why do casting directors never put high school age kids in high school roles ? You would think that woulld be a logical conclusion for most shows, eh ? Dave Keeper of Giles' Clock Guy who really dosen't mind the casting but likes to wine about it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:21:42 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:47:25 -0400 Jesse Jou writes: >What you have not addressed is the fundamentally different tones of the >show: BtVS is done in the tone of traditional horror and Xena is done in the >tone of 30's serial adventures (think, the short lived Captain Zoom from BOTH shows are done tongue-in-cheek. Humor and fantasy leaves room for endless possibilities. If you've seen Xena: Warrior Princess you know that there are many different tones varying from one episode to the next. Some are very light-hearted, some very serious. They can adapt to anything. Buffy is not all that traditional either. They take many liberties both with the appearance of the vampires and the myth surrounding them. New frontiers are explored, progress made by building upon past achievements, this is the way to go. Take the best of both worlds of Buffy and Xena, put them together and enjoy, I say. You never know unless you take a chance and it isn't really worth the trip if you don't take chances. In fact, it is challenges such as these that are the most enjoyable and sometimes the most rewarding. funee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:21:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Betsy Vera Subject: Re: BUFFY: Poll: Who Do You Prefer? On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Sonja Marie wrote: > (Note: I'm not including Joyce or Ms. Calendar cause it would not make the > sections even and adding Snyder and Master to do so seems well wierd :D). Why not the Master???? He's a very main character in season one. He's not my favorite, but if Giles weren't around he could easily be. Betsy -- bentley@umich.edu -- www-personal.umich.edu/~bentley - ------------------------------------------------------------- "He's having a hard time coming to terms with his vampire penguin nature. He won't touch any of the live herring in the pool. 'I will not take a herring life,' he says. So he just waddles into the pantry, rips open a tin of sardines with his beak, chugs 'em down, then indulges in a fit of self-loathing until I stuff him into the fridge." -- Tippi Blevins ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:25:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Fantdave@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Slayer theory Well, we know all the main characters have had ID's for years ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:26:54 -0700 From: Jennifer Hawthorne Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS At 09:21 AM 6/19/97 +0100, thus sprake Alex: >Maggie: The Vampire Slayer? Now that would be hilarious!! Little >Maggie running around witha stake in her hand, Homer drunk on the >couch. Okay, so I am a little mental, your point? The Simpsons sort of did this already during one of their Halloween specials that was a spoof of "Bram Stoker's Dracula." Except it was "Lisa the Vampire Slayer." Very funny episode, too. - -- Maytree - ------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne :: jen@pacwest.DIESPAM.net [To reply to this message, remove DIESPAM from address] - ------------------------------------------------------- What good is a superior mind without another superior mind to communicate with? - -- Ashleigh Brilliant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:30:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Fantdave@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: well i'll be damned details. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:36:32 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:59:08 -0700 Lawless writes: >Name >one instance where a crossover of this nature has taken place and been >successful. Where a character from a completely different show has >crossover to another show and it hasn't been incredibly stupid. And There probably lots of examples but my knowledge of tv history isn't too good. However, may I say that there is always a first time for everything. The idea of a crossover is exciting, challenging! Intoxicating just to think of the possibilities!!! Keep saying, "It will never happen. Impossible! You can't do that!" And they'll prove you wrong like the Wright Brothers did, like Disney did, like Steven Spielberg did, like... funee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:39:39 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xena on BtVS On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Fantdave@aol.com writes: >Tell me I didn't read that right ! Occasionally stretching reality is >ok by >me, but that just cracked it right in half. > I don't know what you're referring to but am more than pleased if you're mind was shattered by anything conjectured here by me. funee (: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:40:27 EDT From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (The Archangel Gabriel) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:47:25 -0400 Jesse Jou writes: a whole lot of extremely well organized and eloquently phrased remarks. Anachronistic? It appears I'm not the only one who read a thesaurus when he was a child. Jesse's comments on the whole Buffy/Xena theory are the most even-tempered and "Netiquette-ly" proper I've read thus far and I think that that pretty much wraps it up....PLEASE!!!! It's not that I haven't enjoyed the ferverous dialog but....well....Jesse said it best. I relinquish the floor. funee, Jesse, and to my other fellow Slayerettes....I love you all. (Uh Oh, I called you Slayerettes....Here comes another emotionally charged debate.) Never at a loss for words, just acknowledging someone said it better than I could, THE "ARCH" ANGEL KEEPER OF XANDER'S TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:45:26 -0700 From: Jennifer Hawthorne Subject: Re: BUFFY: How old is Alyson At 02:20 PM 6/19/97 -0400, thus sprake Fantdave@aol.com: >Why do casting directors never put high school age kids in high school roles >? You would think that woulld be a logical conclusion for most shows, eh ? Mostly cost. There are strict limits on how many hours kids can spend on the set, they have to have a tutor, and so on. Also, since they can't sign legally binding contracts by themselves, the show's producers are stuck dealing with one or both parental units, and I understand they can be a real problem sometimes. There's also the fact that older kids are generally more polished actors, better able to meet the incredible demands of a TV production schedule and still turn in a good performance. - -- Maytree - ------------------------------------------------------- Jennifer Hawthorne :: jen@pacwest.DIESPAM.net [To reply to this message, remove DIESPAM from address] - ------------------------------------------------------- "With all this manure around, there's got to be a pony someplace." - -- Lois McMaster Bujold, Barrayar) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:48:54 -0500 From: hyphema@webtv.net Subject: BUFFY: X E N A re: the "XENA"/"BUFFY" controversy: 1.i think we need to get funee and lawless a room...;) ("heyyyy, that's not funee!"). 2. "GREASE 2" xover? JJ, get some sleep, man! :) 3. now for my crossover idea... (j/k). hyphema:-[ hyphema@webtv.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:58:22 EDT From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (The Archangel Gabriel) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Giles can be Salty too..... On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Sonja Marie writes: >Nope not this lady. I'd prefer Giles in a heart beat. Angel is all >well and good, but I'm not atrracted to him or his plight, but it still makes a good >show. And I know I'm not the only one who prefers Giles way over Angel. I meant no offense. In the frenzy of writing my response I dare say I forgot about the GASPers. Surly if someone creates an entire group around are dear librarian, with the word "panters" attached, I should have remembered. Well to be perfectly fair I'm visualizing dear Rupert right now...."Hello, Salty Goodness!" There, all's even. Oh, being that I'm not a true GASPer and that I'm already the KEEPER of something....have any of you devoted Giles fans (Or Rookies) claimed his Time/Life subscription to "Mysteries of the Unknown" or his calendar from said subscription? While re-watching Prophecy Girl I noticed that and haven't seen anyone claim it. Perhaps I'm the only one who thinks it's clever. Tally-ho, THE "ARCH" ANGEL KEEPER OF XANDER'S TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Xinlei Du Subject: Re: BUFFY: Nicholas Has A Identical Twin? I also read that in a magazine somewhere. His identical twins' name is Kelly Brendon. Xinlei xander@dazedandconfused.com Keeper of Xander's black jacket,Keeper of Willow's necklace and Shared keeper of Buffy's black leather jacket and now the proud owner of Giles' nunchucks! EEL, KCEB, CSIS, EDA, GASPer, Slayerette???? http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/9759/buffy.html _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:14:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS > Keep saying, "It will never happen. Impossible! You can't do that!" > And they'll prove you wrong like the Wright Brothers did, like Disney > did, like Steven Spielberg did, like... I'm not saying "It will never happen.". I'm saying "There are basically two possible outcomes: it succeeds brilliantly ... and everything else, and "everything else" covers a lot more territory." If this is attempted, and it's anything other triumph, then it will be a failure - the bar for this effort is high enough there really isno middle ground. Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:03:12 -0700 From: "Okoniewski, Debbi" Subject: RE: BUFFY: Re: Salty Goodness...... Sonja wrote: > Nope not this lady. I'd prefer Giles in a heart beat. And I know I'm > not the only one who prefers Giles way over Angel. > I'm with you Sonja. Given a choice between Angel and Giles, Giles would win hands down! (And I'm not even a GASPer!) Deborah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:07:51 EDT From: archangel-ichiban@juno.com (The Archangel Gabriel) Subject: BUFFY: Re: WHOA!!!! >Tell me I didn't read that right ! Occasionally stretching reality is >ok by me, but that just cracked it right in half. >I don't know what you're referring to but am more than pleased if >you're mind was shattered by anything conjectured here by me. WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! I don't know where our "Den Mothers" are but I sense civility leaping right out the window here. Calm down people, over the day this has become a little to harsh for my taste, this is my last post on this subject, all others get the big "DELIVER" key. This is not that big a deal. Ease back on the throttle guys and in case I hadn't mentioned this before: WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! WHOA!! I can't believe I'm actually saying this but....I'm tired of fighting, THE "ARCH" ANGEL KEEPER OF XANDER'S TENNIS BALL OF UNFULFILLED TEEN LOVE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:08:10 EDT From: funee@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: X E N A On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:48:54 -0500 hyphema@webtv.net writes: >re: the "XENA"/"BUFFY" controversy: > >1.i think we need to get funee and lawless a room...;) ("heyyyy, >that's >not funee!"). Very funny! Hyphema you get the room, I'll bring the champagne, and Lawless? Wear something sexy...preferrably black leather, short, you know, like your namesake does on tv. funee (: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:23:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Xena on BtVS > >What you have not addressed is the fundamentally different tones of the > >show: BtVS is done in the tone of traditional horror and Xena is done in > the > >tone of 30's serial adventures (think, the short lived Captain Zoom from > > > BOTH shows are done tongue-in-cheek. Humor and fantasy leaves room for > endless possibilities. If you've seen Xena: Warrior Princess you know > that there are many different tones varying from one episode to the next. So far, so good. > Some are very light-hearted, some very serious. They can adapt to > anything. I emphatically disagree. As the previous poster noted, both shows are genre, and some genres just don't mix. Can you imagine Buffy trying to do gritty (like "MYPD Blue")? Or Xena doing soap-opera style romance? Now "horror" and "pulp hero" aren't necessarily exclusive ... but the necessary hooks have to be built in at the beginning. Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:27:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: SMG > Would you have the courage of your convictions to say that to > Sarah Michelle Gellar? Whyever not? Robert Huff ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #150 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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