From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #190 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Monday, July 14 1997 Volume 01 : Number 190 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: Trouble Re: BUFFY: EW Article on Web Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack BUFFY: Angels Shoes Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack BUFFY: angel and cheerleaders BUFFY: RE: EW Article on Web Re: BUFFY: Fanzines/Parodies Re: BUFFY: explanation please...Angel Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack BUFFY: Re: BUFFY Fan Name BUFFY: The Witch BUFFY: WGN schedule BUFFY: pathetic dream Re: BUFFY: Angel tonight BUFFY: netiquette BUFFY: Housekeeping BUFFY: List rules BUFFY: Buffy in New Zealand? BUFFY: which eps are when? Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night Re: BUFFY: Buffy in New Zealand? Re: BUFFY: The Witch Re: BUFFY: pathetic dream Re: BUFFY: Fan names BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share Re: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share Re: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share Re: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share Re: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share Re: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share Re: BUFFY: Was Buffy on WGN Tonight? See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:35:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: Trouble > > The Fox network has scheduled the best new show next year opposite of > > Buffy on Mondays at 9:00. It's called Ally McBeal and it's pretty > > phenominal (I've seen the pilot). But maybe not this week. My local paper and several sites I found of line show the promeire of "ROAR" at 9:00. I hope they move it somewhere else for the permananct slot. Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:32:13 -0700 From: slayerbwcs@webtv.net (Guadalupe Mejia) Subject: Re: BUFFY: EW Article on Web are you going to put the smg article from ew on your page before you take away this temporary page? lupe slayerbwcs@webtv.net official keeper of: buffy's snowball buffy's tiger stuff animal willow's phone cordelia's car cordelia's (vote for cordelia chase for may queen) posters ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:00:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night On Sun, 13 Jul 1997 PalOBuffys@aol.com wrote: > Sorry Tina, but I respectfully disagree. Giles told Buffy that the Masai > tribesmen, the Primals specifically, had found a way to draw the spirit out > of the hyena. It is through their ritual that they control the situation. Oh, ok, I get it now. I thought you meant that the humans controlled the actions when they were possessed, and that's what I disagreed with. That, however; makes sense to me. I think we probably come up somewhere on the middle ground in that. I think in the case of Xander and the others the hyenas were looking for a way to get out, and they could because the ritual was half done, so they could finish it. Normally, the control in who is possessed is, I'm sure, the responsibility of the human performing the ritual. Hopefully we've got that one straight now. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:08:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MacKayne@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack Actually, when Jesse told Cordelia she was going to dance didn't she initially refuse but after they started change her mind to "Just one dance". After that,while they were dancing she looked quite content to me. Of course I saw the first ep back when it premiered and missed taping the repeat, so I could be wrong. It's been known to happen. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:18:36 -0500 From: Jen Guttilla Subject: BUFFY: Angels Shoes Hi, I was just wondering. What kind of shoes does Angel wear? I'd think dress shoes for the outfit he always wears. But, I've never had a good look at his feet. I know It sounds really weird. But, Its my thought so what do you expect? jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: MacKayne@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack I was also disturbed by the sexual assaullt aspect(Let's be honest,there's no aspect involved. It was sexual assault) but it doesn't matter who it was that Xander attacked.Xander is Buffy's friend and it was completely likely that had she not hit him with a desk he would have succeeded. It would aslo have been believable that he could have succeeded simply because they are friends and she wouldn't use her full power against him because she didn't want to hurt him. It happens all the time after all most sexual assaults are committed by supposed friends. Willow would definitely been unable to resist him and I don't think Cordelia would have occured to him, unless she was simply available for the taking. Personally, I've dealt with too many sexual assaults in my life(I'm a cop.) and am glad in this case the guy guy got hit with a desk. Even if it was only a tv show. Ashe MacKayne Keeper of Absolutely Nothing aka as the guy who keeps putting his foot in his mouth with his posts. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:43:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Denville10@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: angel and cheerleaders The angel episode was not shown in my area, but the witch one was. TV guide was accurate. Are they showing different episodes in different parts of the country? is there anyone else in NJ? melissa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 20:58:38 PDT From: "Maddy :)" Subject: BUFFY: RE: EW Article on Web >Lupe said: >are you going to put the smg article from ew on your page before you >take away this temporary page? Yes it will be on my Sarah's World page in a few days. I will post later when it has been updated. Until then for those of you that haven't seen the pic here is the address again. http://www.internet2k.com/entweek/ Maddy:) _______________________________________________________ Get Private Web-Based Email Free http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 15:50:18 -0500 From: "Titania" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fanzines/Parodies > but...I could conceivably do a zine for Buffy stories? What do you guys > think? We're getting some good stuff on the BBETA list, and we'll be > getting even more once Jill and Sharon get their fic list up. A fanzine... What a great idea! Can a fan just put one out, or do they need persmission from TPTB? Titania ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 16:04:40 -0500 From: "Titania" Subject: Re: BUFFY: explanation please...Angel > I'm confused. I know angel is one of the undead and all. I know that a > gypsy girl he loved gave him his soul back but how did she do it? Has Angel > been helping all of the slayers throughout history? or has he just started > now? He didn't love the gypsy girl, he fed on her. As revenge, her clan cursed him with the return on his soul. Titania ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:07:40 -0400 From: edesk@world.std.com (edesk) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Leader of the Pack >I was also disturbed by the sexual assaullt aspect(Let's be honest,there's no >aspect involved. It was sexual assault) I agree! I think there were a number of original and interesting aspects to this whole Ugly Xander episode. What I think was very cool about Buffy was that she did what she had to do, and went about her business. I think this is easier for her because she gets attacked a lot by the vampires, but nonetheless she's very mature about it and doesn't make it about herself--Xander was posessed, he got ugly, she dealt with him. Pretty much end of story, but she's got to wonder, as I do, about how truly or deeply the real Xander may believe or feel the things he said when he was posessed. My fav babe Willow, on the other hand, took Xander totally the other way, that is, way personally. I think Alyson did a great job portraying the kind of girl who interprets ugly guy behavior as being a reflection on herself. Don't you hate it when the things you fear about the characters you love get played out in such excruciating detail? I secretly fear that Willow has an insurmountable self-esteem problem. I mean, how many guys out there have imagined themselves saving her from Moloch in that computer episode? All it would take is one date, just one salivating male fan, to save Willow from Shrinking Violet syndrome. All that stands in the way is that her fans are fictional and she's not. Oops. I mean, that she's just a real character in a show and we're here typing real letters onto a real screen, and . . . and . . . I mean, you all out there are real, right? Don't mess with my head now. Don't you Moloch me . . . ) <-- Cheshire cat winking. - --edesk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:15:00 -0600 From: David Simpson Subject: BUFFY: Re: BUFFY Fan Name I have voted for Slayeryte as the name that I believe Buffy fans should take, but after watching tonight's episode, The Witch, I think we should all give up on any other names and go with Slayerette. As support, I offer the following dialog that occured in the library while the opening credits were rolling in The Witch: Buffy: You guys don't have to get involved. Xander: What do you mean? We're a team. Aren't we a team? Willow: Yeah. You're the Slayer and we're, like, the Slayerettes. If Slayerette is good enough for Joss, Buffy, Xander, and Willow, then it's good enough for me. David Simpson mailto:simpsond@utah-inter.net Willow: Yeah. You're the Slayer and we're, like, the Slayerettes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:16:28 +1200 From: T C Walford Subject: BUFFY: The Witch I must say, everyone has made this episode sound intriguing. Being in New Zealand, I am proud to say that I will finally see 'The Witch' episode tonight (I'M SO EXCITED!!!!! I LOVE MONDAYS!!). I have been looking forward to it, and was a bit dismayed when the station began to broadcast commercials for 'Teacher's Pet' - but they fixed their mistake and are now showing commericials for 'The Witch'. I've seen 'The Craft' 6 times, and love 'Sabrina' - so here's hopin Buffy's witchy experiences are just as good - which I'm sure they will be!! I'll tell you guys my impressions tomorrow after I watch it. Bye all!! Craig Willow: "I need to sit down." Buffy: "You are sitting down." Willow: "Oh. That's nice." - 'The Harvest' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:15:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "Grace M. Lee" Subject: BUFFY: WGN schedule Hi, all -- Been lurking a while. I thought that some of you (in the WGN viewing area) might want to check out their website http://www.wgntv.com They have a page where you can search for upcoming episodes in the next week or two. I don't know the exact URL for the page right now (and their server isn't letting me in for some reason), but it IS a handy tool during baseball season when WGN decides that they would rather show Sox or Cubs games over Buffy or Xena. Happy hunting, glee - ------ I laugh in the face of danger! ...And then I hide until it goes away. - Xander Harris from "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:23:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "Grace M. Lee" Subject: BUFFY: pathetic dream YKYABFW... I had a dream where I ended up back in high school again (or was that a nightmare? hmmm...) and Xander was a friend of mine and I had a huge crush on him. Hmmm... I don't really associate myself with Willow when I watch the show (even though I was a smart nerd in school). Of course, I actually DO have a crush on Xander -- the fifteen year old, self-deprecating witty boy. Geez. I feel like I'm robbing the cradle! I think that this dream is telling me that I need to stop watching TV. Thanks, doctor, glee - ------ I laugh in the face of danger! ...And then I hide until it goes away. - Xander Harris from "Buffy, the Vampire Slayer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:31:34 -0500 From: "Titania" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel tonight > > They are playing Angel tonight , which makes you ask , Why do they write > one thing and play the other . > I'm just saying it's Angel because that's the advertisement on the WB and > it was the ad for teacher's pet last week that turned out to be correct . > No, it wasn't the ad on last week. they showed clips from Angel, but also clips from other episodes, and the ad was basically just to say, "This summer belongs to Buffy." The Witch was on tonight, and IR, YJ will be on tomorrow. Titania ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:44:06 -0400 From: sah Subject: BUFFY: netiquette Please save this post for future reference. In addition to the list rules, here are a few suggestions that are established netiquette. These aren't rules per se, but Jill and I would like listmembers to observe them anyway. Basically, the common theme of all these suggestions involve wasted bandwidth. Most of you I think will agree that keeping that to a minimum is a necessary thing on the buffy list due to the high traffic. NETIQUETTE 1. When in doubt, and particularly when something is off topic, take it to private email. Since the reply to on the list is set up to automatically go to Buffy, Jill and I are well aware that mistakes will happen from time to time. If it does, you'll probably get a note from one of us about it. If you do happen to make a mistake, there's no need to post to the list apologizing, since that also is a waste of bandwidth. Going to private should be your first choice. If you do post something off topic to the list please include an ObBuffy in your post. 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Back to your regularly scheduled Buffy discussion. :-) sah & Jill - -- sah * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com The Buffy Mailing List page: http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/ "Be a Nazi, be a hypocrite, be a dictator, be a kitten killer, just don't be a Republican." ---Alora ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:46:29 -0400 From: sah Subject: BUFFY: Housekeeping From time to time (and this depends largely on your ISP), we have to uns*bscribe people from the list. This is almost always due to some technical problem with your ISP. When it happens, we can't get a message to you to tell you what's happened; you'll just stop receiving list mail. It can be for one of the following reasons. MAILBOX FULL This affects AOL users more than anyone. If you are an AOL user, and you don't get to check your mailbox at least once a day, it fills up, and things start bouncing back to us. 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If you have any questions about these rules, please contact either one of us offlist. If you have subscription problems or questions, the fastest way to get help is to e-mail one of us at the addresses below, at the kirby@xmission.com addy which is the "official" e-mail owner of the list. Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) & sah (romana@mindspring.com) Listowners, Buffy the Vampire Slayer Discussion List buffy@xmission.com - -- sah * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com The Buffy Mailing List page: http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/ "Be a Nazi, be a hypocrite, be a dictator, be a kitten killer, just don't be a Republican." ---Alora ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:07:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Sonja Marie Subject: BUFFY: Buffy in New Zealand? Hi all, T C Walford said that he was getting to see the "Witch" tonite, and he was in New Zealand, I didn't think Buffy was seen in other countries outside of US, Canada, and Gaum, esp not NZ. Maybe he got a tap of it? Sonja Marie - The White Rose @--'->-- http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/sonja.html Co-Pres. of the Jeff Fahey IFC - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/fahey.html Paul Wylie Fan Pages - http://www.eskimo.com/~whtrose/pwylie/pwylie.html Owner of the Jeff Fahey Mailing List & The Paul Wylie Mailing List Pres. of Giles Appreciation Society Panters -GASP!- Keeper of Giles Coats&Ties "Because I'm English, I'm Strange Anyway" - Anthony Stewart Head (Giles - BTVS) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:17:04 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: BUFFY: which eps are when? i'm taping all the episodes like any good obsessor. :) thing is, for the rest of the month, i'm going to be in and out and the tapes i use can only record 2 hours worth of stuff. so my question is to anyone out there with connections and especially scott: could you please tell me which episodes are playing on each sunday and monday until the end of july. i don't want to miss anything, but i also don't want to tape something i already have. so any help is appreciated. (and i know that tomorrow is i robot, you jane.) tia, Lily Keeper of Angel's Dresser "Giles, care. I'm putting my life on the line battling the undead. I broke a nail last night! Look, I'm wearing a press-on. The least you could do is exhibit some casual intrest. You could go 'Hmmmm'. "--Buffy "Hmm?"--Giles, Prophecy Girl, Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:27:17 -0400 (EDT) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: mild mannered zookeeper by day, hyena-boy by night In a message dated 97-07-13 23:08:56 EDT, Tina wrote: << Hopefully we've got that one straight now. >> Yes, I believe we do. I agree with you completely that once possessed, it is the hyena spirit in control. At the very least there is a battle for control of the physical being at that point, and there would have to be, unless the human spirit was removed in the process. Nonetheless, the whole process/possibility is rather daunting. Perhaps the most frightening aspect is that the process can take place even if the humans in question have no intention of bringing the possession about. Rather like the accidental summoning of Moloch by "reading" certain passages in the book that Willow was scanning into the computer. Now entering Sunnydale. Please watch your step. Mike Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear Keeper of Buffy's beeper "I ate a pig? Was it cooked and called bacon?" --- Xander Harris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:29:03 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy in New Zealand? Sonja Marie wrote: > T C Walford said that he was getting to see the > "Witch" tonite, and he was in New Zealand, I didn't think Buffy was seen > in other countries outside of US, Canada, and Gaum, esp not NZ. Maybe he > got a tap of it? No, I'm pretty sure it's being shown in New Zealand. Someone signed my guestbook a few weeks ago and said that he just started watching the show because he lives in New Zealand and it was just picked up there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:39:32 -0400 (EDT) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Witch We are, of course, all aware of Willow's feelings for Xander and Xander's feelings for Buffy. Did you notice that in The Witch Xander tells Willow that she's like one of the guys (my guy friend who knows about girls), and Buffy tells her Xander shaped friend that he's just like one of the girls (that's how comfortable I am with you)? Interesting how the objects of affection respond in like manner to their amorous pursuers, oblivious to the knife twisting effects of their comments. More than a bit sad too. One more thing. It is apparent that the driving skills Cordelia exhibited in The Witch paid off handsomely in Prophecy Girl. Mike Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear Keeper of Buffy's beeper "Well, needs should, uh, you know.....needs should definitely be met as long as it doesn't require ointments the next day." --- Xander Harris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:38:01 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: Re: BUFFY: pathetic dream > I had a dream where I ended up back in high school again (or was that a > nightmare? hmmm...) and Xander was a friend of mine and I had a huge crush > on him. ok, now i feel relieved. last night i had a dream about btvs too. well actually it was smg and nicholas brendon. it was a really strange and bordering on nightmarish dream. the first part was cool cuz smg was going to perform in my dance recital. and nicholas was sponsering my dance recital. well, nick got real mean, yelling at everyone and almost hitting me. and the scary thing is, that these aren't totally random things. her costume was similar to my first tap costume, the building was somewhere i went a long time ago, i had just watched the pack again...talk about my subconcious being at work. well, don't feel alone. Lily Keeper of Angel's Dresser "Giles, care. I'm putting my life on the line battling the undead. I broke a nail last night! Look, I'm wearing a press-on. The least you could do is exhibit some casual intrest. You could go 'Hmmmm'. "--Buffy "Hmm?"--Giles, Prophecy Girl, Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fan names I'm not trying to sway opinion here (I'm tabulating the Buffy Fan Name poll, remember) but in The Witch, when Xander and Willow are offering to assist Buffy they tell her that they are a team. Willow even says "You're the Slayer, and we're the.......Slayerettes." Remember too, that Scott came up with Slayerytes, and Buffamaniacs has a strong WB tie in. (Guess I had to do that equal time thing to keep things fair.) Just thought it sorta cool that one of these names has been used on the show. Remember to vote. Mike Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear Keeper of Buffy's beeper Giles: "Why should someone want to harm Cordelia?" Willow: "Maybe because they met her? Did I say that?" --- The Witch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:06:59 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share I was watching "The Witch" when Buffy's mom is going on about her problems and I just wanted to slap her for yelling at Buffy for getting into trouble when she's actually trying to save the world. It's not fair. She supposedly can't tell her mom for fear of endangering her. Wouldn't it be better though if Buffy's mom new? Her mother wouldn't have been in danger in "Angel" if she knew that Buffy was the Slayer. She might have been a little wary about letting Darla in the house and never have gotten bitten. Buffy wouldn't have blamed Angel for biting her mom (since it wouldn't have happened) and that whole confrontation could have been avoided. Also, Buffy wouldn't have problems with being able to go out on schoolnights and slay vampires. In turn, Buffy's mom wouldn't be so confused over what her daughter does. I'm sure when Buffy gets into trouble her mom must have, at some point, questioned her parenting skills or Buffy's upbringing. I just think that, feasibly, Buffy's mom would be in a lot less danger if she knew the truth. Lawless ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:28:18 -0700 From: Gloria Phillips Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share Lawless wrote: > Wouldn't it be better though if Buffy's mom new? Her mother wouldn't > have been in danger in "Angel" if she knew that Buffy was the Slayer. > parenting skills or Buffy's upbringing. I just think that, feasibly, > Buffy's mom would be in a lot less danger if she knew the truth. As the mother of a seventeen year old son, I can tell you that very few parents would allow their child to do something this dangerous. I don't care *who* tells me that my son is the only one who could save the world, I would NO WAY allow him to be running around trying to kill vampires, witches, giant preying mantis', etc. Although you are right in theory, it really would not work out in the way you are envisioning. No parent in their right mind would allow a minor to do this sort of stuff. All that Buffy would accomplish by telling her mother about her avocation would be to have her activities curtailed if not totally stopped. Love, Glo. MFWC//PWFC (So. Cal. co-RC starting in August) Too delighted over the renewal of B5 to find a decent quote to appear here... glo@kaiwan.com and glophllps@aol.com http://members.aol.com/glophllps/ get my latest story by bot at send-enough@vincent-tanaka.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:36:52 -0700 From: "Wien Huang" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share I just think that, feasibly, > Buffy's mom would be in a lot less danger if she knew the truth. > > Lawless yay! some one who agrees with me! thank you! Lily Keeper of Angel's Dresser "Giles, care. I'm putting my life on the line battling the undead. I broke a nail last night! Look, I'm wearing a press-on. The least you could do is exhibit some casual intrest. You could go 'Hmmmm'. "--Buffy "Hmm?"--Giles, Prophecy Girl, Buffy the Vampire Slayer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:55:01 -0700 From: Angel@myneighbors.com (Chiara) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share >No parent in their right mind would allow a >minor to do this sort of stuff. All that Buffy would accomplish by >telling her mother about her avocation would be to have her activities >curtailed if not totally stopped. I don't agree with you. Some parents would let their child do this stuff. It's saving the world! You said you wouldn't let you son do this even though it's saving the world. But if he didn't do it he and the rest of the world would be destroyed. I talked about this with my dad (since he also watches) said if he knew I was out fighting vampires or some other evil he would have to let me cuz I would be saving the world. - -Chiara- Keeper of Xander's phone Keeper of the electricity in Angel's apartment A member of Angel's Guardian Angels (AGA) A member of the Giles' Appreciation Society Panters (GASP) "To read makes our speaking English good."---Xander Harris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share In a message dated 97-07-14 02:28:52 EDT, Lawless wrote: After major snippage: << Also, Buffy wouldn't have problems with being able to go out on schoolnights and slay vampires. In turn, Buffy's mom wouldn't be so confused over what her daughter does.>> For the life of me I can't see Buffy's mom being all that understanding about her little girl being the Slayer. Most parents worry enough about the dangers of the mortal world when their kids, daughters especially, leave the house. I just don't think Buffy's mom would take the whole Slayer aspect of Buffy's life in stride. Buffy: "Bye mom. I'm going out now." Ms. Summers: "You aren't going to that club again are you dear?" Buffy: "No mom, I promise. I'll just be at the cemetary doing battle with the undead, or maybe fighting a hyena boy. You know, saving the world stuff. No boys involved, so don't get all wiggy." Ms. Summers: "All right then. But Buffy, you be sure to call if you're going to be late. I don't want to be up all night worrying about you." Why do I have a problem with this? Hmmmmmm....... Mike Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear Keeper of Buffy's beeper "The part that gets me though, is where Buffy is the Vampire Slayer. She's so little." --- Ms. Calendar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 02:54:57 -0700 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's secret: Let's share Gloria Phillips wrote: > Although you are right in theory, it really would not work out in the > way you are envisioning. No parent in their right mind would allow a > minor to do this sort of stuff. All that Buffy would accomplish by > telling her mother about her avocation would be to have her activities Her mom might not like what she's doing, and she might not "let" her do it. But her mom really has no say in the matter. She didn't "let" Buffy go to the bronze in WTTHM but Buffy went anyway. Her mom has no choice, the vamps know who the slayer is, and they will come to her. Buffy tried to quit already in "Prophecy Girl" but the vamps didn't let her. That's because she has to accept the fact that njo matter what she decides, she'll always be the slayer. Even if Buffy's mom made her move away, I believe that the vamps would track her down and find her. It's kind of like self defense. Someone's parents might not let them fight, but when a kid comes up to them and hits them in the face, what are they going to do? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 00:20:51 -0700 From: bandr@impulse.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: Was Buffy on WGN Tonight? Flagg wrote: > > I just tuned in WGN to watch Buffy reruns tonight and was greeted with > Unhappily Ever After and the Wayans Brothers...and then 9:00 news... > Was it on earlier on WGN tonight? Anyone know? Scott? It was on WGN at 7. Things are always on an hour earlier in Central Time. It airs Sundays (for 4 weeks) at 8ET/PT, 7CT/MT on most WB stations. ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #190 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". 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