From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #271 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Tuesday, September 2 1997 Volume 01 : Number 271 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: Regarding the Willow/Xander/Buffy thing Re: BUFFY: No more Roaring at Buffy Re: Buffy & Xander (Was Re: BUFFY: IKWYDLS/Buffy Promo) Re: BUFFY: Viewers from D.C. BUFFY: The Buffy/Xander/Willow triangle Re: BUFFY: Conversions Re: Buffy & Xander (Was Re: BUFFY: IKWYDLS/Buffy Promo) BUFFY: math quiz - you've gotta try this out Re:BUFFY:wswb promo Re: BUFFY: Fan Location Re: BUFFY: Angel's Curse Revisited (was Darla's taste in clothes) Re: BUFFY: Viewers in NJ?? BUFFY: Re: buffy Digest V1 #266 Re: BUFFY: Viewers in NJ?? BUFFY: BUFFY : THE BOOK SERIES Re: BUFFY: Reply to JB Re: BUFFY: Viewers in NJ?? BUFFY: Missed opportunity for laffs in "Puppet Show" Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Physical Re: BUFFY: IKWYDLS/Buffy Promo Re: BUFFY: Darla's Invitation Re: BUFFY: Viewers in NJ?? Re: BUFFY:wswb promo Re: BUFFY: IKWYDLS/Buffy Promo Re: BUFFY: IKWYDLS/Buffy Promo Re: BUFFY: any Vegan Buffy fans here? Re: BUFFY: any Vegan Buffy fans here? BUFFY: TV guide Re: BUFFY: Angel Babies? (was: SWANS CROSSING) BUFFY: The Whole Buffy/Xander/Angel Thing! Re: BUFFY: any Vegan Buffy fans here? Re: BUFFY: No more Roaring at Buffy Re: BUFFY: math quiz - you've gotta try this out Re: BUFFY: No more Roaring at Buffy See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:50:18 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: BUFFY: Regarding the Willow/Xander/Buffy thing Well, it's been a while since I've been able to be around here much, so it's nice to be back. Let's see how long it takes me to get back in the swing of things... >Buffy could move on Xander, (which, to be frank, we don't truly know >happens) but it just seems like something horrible to do. I don't >know how many out here have had this happen to them before (best >friend moving in on someone you like) but I have and I understand >how horrible it feels. I agree. Plus, frankly, there is no faster way to trash a friendship than for one friend to do that to another. I really hope that that is not really going to happen. She knows how Willow feels about Xander and that would be a truly rotten thing to do. >True, Willow should say something to Xander, >but he is her friend and for her to admit something major like having >feelings for him may prove fatal to her friendship. Except that he already knows. In "The Pack" it was clear that Xander knows about Willow's feelings -- both while he was possessed and afterwards. In fact, my favorite thing about that ep was the fact that, because he knew, we got to see what a sweetie Xander really is. He knew that, while he was possessed, he really hurt Willow's feelings so he was trying to make up for it in the tag with that hug and "Nobody hurts my Willow" line. Taiyin "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." -- Douglas Adams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 13:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Wagster Subject: Re: BUFFY: No more Roaring at Buffy On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Lisa Rose wrote: > So let us take nothing for granted. TV life > can be short ("from this life, to the next" > as they said on Roar just before somebody died, > even the show itself). We must pray for Buffy. > WB only buying 12 eps for next season has me > worried. Networks are fickle entities. Only twelve episodes? Are they crazy? Buffy is just about the only thing the WB has going for them (IMO, of course). And I doubt that reruns of Animaniacs can carry the whole network if they decide to get rid of BtVS... |Andrew Wagster| |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | "Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy! I'm the magical man, from | | Happyland, in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Laaane!" -H. Simpson | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 14:00:42 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: Buffy & Xander (Was Re: BUFFY: IKWYDLS/Buffy Promo) At 06:18 PM 9/1/97 -0600, Danny Reed wrote: >I think Buffy should definately go out with Xander. Willow shouldn't >mind, I mean, if she really wanted him, I think maybe she would have said >something by now to him. I know she always (all one time) tells Buffy >that she's got the hots for him, but I honestly think that she would have >done something about it by now. But hey, I'm just a guy so what do I >know? Whoa. I'd definitely have to disagree with that one. Aside form the fact that I just don't want Buffy and Xander together, the fact remains that for Buffy to do that would break a basic, fundamental tenant of friendship. Willow is one of her best friends and she knows how she feels about Xander, for her to 'go after' Xander anyway would border on unforgiveable. It's not about territory or even Xander himself, really, it's about trust and friendship and respecting your friends feelings. And that is a *major* boundary to cross. Taiyin ~~~~~ Kevin & Lucy's Lighthouse: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/9479/index.html Contact me about "GH"/"PC" and Kevin & Lucy mailing list: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/9479/mailing_lists.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Snowcat669@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Viewers from D.C. Yes, I am from Reston VA. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:11:59, -0500 From: GSSM83C@prodigy.com (JOSEPH NORTHCOTT) Subject: BUFFY: The Buffy/Xander/Willow triangle O.k., let me combine a few replies to help keep from muddying things. From: bandr@impulse.net: >The WB will now market the show as "Buffy" to push the softer, more >romantic storylines next season... This is bad news. I don't want the >show to turn into a romantic soap opera. I want action, monsters, and >scares. If the show turns too romantic they will lose me as a viewer. I believe that this ONLY affects marketing, not the actual show. Joss himself says that he likes calling the show a cross between the X-files and My So Called Life. I'm hoping he would never turn it into the X-Files meets a Clearisil commercial. (Or a Love's Babysoft commercial for those of you who go back that far.) :) I think the WB is making a major mistake by even marketing it that way. From: JACYNTHE : >To deliberately start pursuing the guy your friend likes is pretty much >like stabbing her in the back. It's cruel. Oh, yeah, I agree that Buffy would be bad in that situation. You're assuming that Buffy doesn't really like Xander, but "pursues" him anyway. That makes Buffy out to be a little harlot. I think you have the pursuit backwards. Xander is the one who's pursuing her. After the death experience, Buffy may want some "companionship" and view Xander's advances in a different light. What if she actually does like Xander? What if Xander keeps asking her out? How long is she supposed to keep resisting, to be nice to Willow? She already used the "Willow excuse" when Xander asked her out in Prophecy Girl. I assume Buffy doesn't want Xander, but she has to decide that on her own, not by hiding behind Willow's feelings. I don't think for a moment that Willow would want Xander to be alone if Xander and Buffy actually liked each other. She just isn't self-absorbed like that. >And yes, Xander and Willow "have brains." However, at 16, it's *not* the >easiest thing in the world to tell someone about your feelings for him (or >her, to be fair ). Add in Willow's bone-deep shyness...well, it makes >it more of a problem. Don't get me wrong, I really like the Willow character. Her puppy love crush is a very teenage trait. I think most tv teenagers act unrealistically adult. Willow really acts like an american teenage girl. Intellectually grown up, but emotionally young. However, if Xander likes somebody else, well, he has a brain too. It isn't like Buffy is using vampire hypnosis on him. :) >I, for one, prefer Buffy with Angel. It brings a tension to the >storylines that frankly would not exist in a Buffy/Xander relationship. Actually, I prefer nobody with anybody. I think if Buffy got together with Angel, the fizz would die down immediately. From: Alia harpam@wku.edu: >But, as always, I feel the need to stick up for Willow. Go for it. We all have a soft spot for Willow. :) >It makes sense that Buffy could move on Xander, (which, to be frank, we >don't truly know happens) but it just seems like something horrible to do. Yes, that would be bad, but I don't think that's the situation. It isn't like Buffy is moving on Xander. Vice-versa. Xander likes Buffy, wants to date Buffy, and has told Buffy (and Willow) how he feels. >Instead of rocking the boat and telling him, she wants to hint around and >see if he will pick up on it. I don't see him doing that unless something >dramatic happens but, what can you do? I really don't see it that way. I think Willow is more intelligent than you're giving her credit for. You think she is going to beat around the bush to see if Xander figures it out? I don't think she's beating around the bush at all. She (like us viewers) already knows that Xander isn't interested. It isn't like there is something she can do to brainwash him. It doesn't matter if she dyes her hair or stuffs her bra or pretends to like skateboarding. Xander isn't interested. Of course, we already know that Willow will get a boyfriend this season, and it won't be Xander. So Joss Whedon may flip this around and make Xander go solo for a while. Remember the scene in "I Robot..." where Xander doesn't have anyone to go to the Bronze with? I can envision that being the situation for several episodes this season. Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:17:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Haffthand@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Conversions I am a obssessed with Star Trek and I like Buffy better than it. So I think that many Star Trek fans would appeal to Buffy because it is a really good quality sci-fi show. -Alexx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Haffthand@aol.com Subject: Re: Buffy & Xander (Was Re: BUFFY: IKWYDLS/Buffy Promo) Well Willow is very afraid of being turned down by Xander, and of ruining their friendship. But I agree with all u's who say that Buffy and Willow would be torn apart. I mean Willow has known Xander forever, and suddenly they know Buffy for eight months or something and he is head over heels for her. If I was Willow I would feel like something wrong happened. -Alexx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 16:56:55 -0400 From: twofangs/randi spiegel Subject: BUFFY: math quiz - you've gotta try this out Hi all, This actually works...you've *gotta* try it out :) Do the math *as* you read. _Don't_ read the bottom until you have worked it out. 1. First of all, pick the number of days a week that you would like to: have sex / work out / watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer / listen to Robyn Hitchcock / go out for dinner / etc... 2. Multiply this number by 2. 3. Add 5. 4. Multiply this number by 50. 5. If you have already had your birthday this year, add 1747. If you have not had your b-day yet, add 1746. 6. Last step: Subtract the four digit year that you were born. *S *P *o *I *L *E *R *S *P *A *C *E RESULTS: You should now have a three (or four) digit number: The first digit (or first two digits) of this are your *original number*: (i.e. how many times a week you want to: have sex / watch BtVS / listen to Robyn Hitchcock) The second two digits are your age! It really works :) (If it didn't the first time, try again) > *This is the only year it will ever work!* fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada Keeper Of Angel's Telelphone *what scares you most will set you free that's what the Angel said to me* - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Haffthand@aol.com Subject: Re:BUFFY:wswb promo i think Angel will moved into a depressed state. I think that Bufffy still has feelings for him, but it hurts her too much to know that she loves someone who is like dead. So in order to cover those feelings up, she tries to push him far away, but I think she will hurt even more and eventually realize what she chose to do was wrong. Well that's my opinion. -Alexx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:49:32 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkPhoenix@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Fan Location In a message dated 97-09-02 13:56:33 EDT, you write: << I think this is an excellent idea, and was just going to suggest this myself. So how about it? Any volunteers? >> I'd be happy to start a site with a listing of where the fans are..(have an account on Angelfire that has nada on it) Anyways..if the jobs not taken, and you'd all like to have a listing of sorts..let me know. If there's enough support for the idea I'll get started on it. 'later =Pam BlkPhoenix@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:00:17 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel's Curse Revisited (was Darla's taste in clothes) >Kind of a "It's not the fact that you got back your soul, it's the >fact of what kinda soul you got back" argument? Certainly there >are living mortals among us now who make the same kinda decision as >your supposed female vamp here. > >Lisa > I'm a little skeptical about whether there could exist such a vampire who was afflicted with same 'conscience curse' as Angel and who would consciously decide to live like any normal vamp. While the special dieting and the role of a fugitive may be difficult to live (unlive?) with, I couldn't see any person with a conscience of any sort maiming and killing (and eating) with seemless remorse. The few exceptions to this example might be that our cursed vampire is already a complete psychotic, and so his/her mental condition overpowers any moral judgements. }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:18:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kiwi84x@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Viewers in NJ?? Hi, yes, I'm a Buffy watcher from NJ, in Bergen County. ObBuffy: After watching The Puppet Show last night, I was thinking about what could possibly have happened after the curtains opened up to show Buffy & the gang on stage. First of all, what would they have done with the demon? He doesn't disappear (turn to dust) like vampires, so what would they have done with him? What was the audience thinking? Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:14:16 -0400 From: Thomas Twardowski Subject: BUFFY: Re: buffy Digest V1 #266 Yes, I am finally compelled to contribute to the madness... 1) An open door is an implicit invitation. When it is slammed in your face, the implications are more direct. Darla seemed to wait out of a certain catlike delight in playing with her food... 2) I just figured it out: when mom screamed, she was crying for help from anyone nearby, which is, again, an implicit invitation to Angel, who wants to help. Then again, maybe it was dramatic license! And: 3) Come on. It was elegantly obscure: HOLY COW! Tom. Just Tom. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 18:23:16 -0700 From: Watchers@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Viewers in NJ?? VenussV@aol.com wrote: > > Hey All, > > I was just wondering if there are any NJ Buffy fans out there? Huh, huh? > Are you out there???? > > Always the lurker, > > Jessica Yep...(as I raise a flailing hand in adoration for the show). My name is Norm and I am a Buffyholic, Buffyatric, Insomniac and Starbucks Poet (from postingboard's past) I go under the name THE WATCHER. I'm from Wharton, NJ. Any other NJ fans out there? Peace - Norm THE WATCHER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 18:25:48 -0700 From: Watchers@ix.netcom.com Subject: BUFFY: BUFFY : THE BOOK SERIES Hey all. I've been hearing / reading a lot about the new BUFFY book "The Harvest" and I was wondering if someone could tell me who is the author and what section of the bookstores it is located. Is it more young adult or fiction and of course the inevitable question...is it good? Peace - Norm THE WATCHER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:25:56 PDT From: "Andrea Ng" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Reply to JB >From owner-buffy@xmission.com Sun Aug 31 17:55:49 1997 >Received: from domo by mail.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.62 #4) > id 0x4udu-0006Tm-00; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:01:14 -0600 >Received: from oberon.ark.com [204.50.21.34] (root) > by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) > id 0x4udq-0006TP-00; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:01:10 -0600 >Received: from camel.online.bc.ca (pi1p3.ark.com [204.50.21.68]) > by oberon.ark.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04281 > for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:01:06 -0700 >Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:01:06 -0700 >Message-Id: <199708302101.OAA04281@oberon.ark.com> >X-Sender: camels@oberon.ark.com >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >To: buffy@xmission.com >From: camels@oberon.ark.com (Lorene Tanner) >Subject: BUFFY: Reply to JB >Sender: owner-buffy@xmission.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com > ><and how far can a vamp enter it without being invited" thread deserves a >stake through its heart? > jb>> > >Oh I so agree they can't enter your house the dude that tried obviously got >hurt by it removed his hand. THE END ! > > Alexis. >L.Tanner >Camels@oberon.ark.com > > > no i thought buffy hit him a couple of times then he removed his hand. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Wagster Subject: Re: BUFFY: Viewers in NJ?? On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 Kiwi84x@aol.com wrote: > Hi, yes, I'm a Buffy watcher from NJ, in Bergen County. > > ObBuffy: After watching The Puppet Show last night, I was thinking about what > could possibly have happened after the curtains opened up to show Buffy & the > gang on stage. First of all, what would they have done with the demon? He > doesn't disappear (turn to dust) like vampires, so what would they have done > with him? What was the audience thinking? Just wondering what everyone's > thoughts are on this. Check out the episode capsule for The Puppet Show at Domain of the Slain (http://www2.uic.edu/~ahufan1/btvs). RTBS (one of the posting board regulars) wrote a mini-script of his take on it, and it's pretty funny. |Andrew Wagster| |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | "Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy! I'm the magical man, from | | Happyland, in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Laaane!" -H. Simpson | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:01:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Cruciver@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Missed opportunity for laffs in "Puppet Show" I watched "Puppet Show" last night and realized that they missed a chance for an additional joke--probably nixed somewhere by a taste committee. In the final scene, when the blade comes down on the demon, there's a "SQUISH" sound Foleyed in, and a beat or so later, everyone is still reacting in horror. Since the guillotine was designed to slice open the head to let the brain fall out, I think it would have been really funny if the squish had been followed by a wet "THUD" as something (the head???) hit the floor. Of course, maybe "funny" isn't the right word. Would "more accurate" be less creepy? Cruciver@aol.com (David Ellis Dickerson) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:01:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Cruciver@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy's Physical In a message dated 97-09-01 14:49:24 EDT, you write: << ObBUFFY: Do ya think that a doctor would be curious after doing a >physical on Buffy? Wouldn't you assume that SOMETHING would distinguish >her from other teenagers? >> The fact that she looks like a drop-dead gorgeous twenty-one-year old distinguishes her from most other high school sophomores, and I can tell that without even having done a physical examination (the very thought of which is causing my glasses to mist over in an ungentlemanly fashion)... (Although come to think of it, it DOESN'T distinguish her much from her other classmates at Sunnydale, who all look pretty appealingly mature. Either there's something in the water or students get held back a LOT...) Cruciver@aol.com (David Ellis Dickerson) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Cruciver@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: IKWYDLS/Buffy Promo In a message dated 97-09-01 14:42:19 EDT, you write: << why can't she date angel? xander is nice and all, but so what if angel is the undead , i think buffy and him make a great couple! >> I must say that I'm a little surprised at how many people seem to want to put Angel and Buffy together as a couple, and imply a permanence in doing so. I know it's just a show, but "realistically" (if the word applies here) Buffy is SIXTEEN YEARS OLD. Barring the vast differences in age and experience between the two of them (Angel knows like a zillion things Buffy doesn't just from having been around since the Revolutionary War; what would they talk about?), I don't want her getting serious about ANYONE. It'll only lead to a world of hurt later when she starts to define more clearly who she is and what she wants. Let the poor girl wait until college, is my view. Angel is, to my mind, a kind of prefiguring of the kind of guy she might wind up with--or at least the kind of guy she goes for. But as a long-term prospect I think he's entering her life a little early. (Also, he's a vampire. But I guess I can ignore that if she can.) Cruciver@aol.com (David Ellis Dickerson) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 16:07:04 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Darla's Invitation At 06:14 PM 9/2/97 -0400, Thomas Twardowski wrote: >1) An open door is an implicit invitation. When it is slammed in your face, >the implications are more direct. Darla seemed to wait out of a certain >catlike delight in playing with her food... Momma Darla to Little Darla: "Darla, don't play with your food!" Little Darla (mischievous grin): "But mom, you always told me it was good manners to wait till my meal invited me in!" The words "catlike delight," "playing," and "food" all seem to scan quite well with my memories of dear Darla. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:15:55 +0000 From: "Robin Carroll-Mann" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Viewers in NJ?? And it came to pass on 2 Sep 97, that Kiwi84x@aol.com wrote: > Hi, yes, I'm a Buffy watcher from NJ, in Bergen County. And I'm from Morris County. > ObBuffy: After watching The Puppet Show last night, I was thinking > about what could possibly have happened after the curtains opened up > to show Buffy & the gang on stage. First of all, what would they > have done with the demon? He doesn't disappear (turn to dust) like > vampires, so what would they have done with him? Since the dead demon looked thoroughly non-human, I think the audience would have assumed that it was a prop. Buffy and the gang could have quietly buried it after the show, taking whatever additional precautions were necessary. Harper *** Robin Carroll-Mann harper @ idt.net "Mostly Harmless" -- Douglas Adams Denial is a river in Sunnydale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:35:14 +0100 From: angela2luv@juno.com (Angela Mach) Subject: Re: BUFFY:wswb promo S P O I L E R S P O I L E R S F O R S E A S O N 2 Ok people, people have said that Buffy says to Angel that her feelings have changed for him. It makes it look like she don't like him. I think they are doing that to make us go off track. but maybe she says it because she loves him sooo much and says her feelings have changed for him in sense that she just loves him and wants to be together with him .No matter if she is the slayer and he is a vampire. She wouldn't just give up on him. She loves the guy. And didn't Joss say that there would be alot of romance next season. And (hint, hint) Angel and Buffy will have more scenes together 2nd season then the first? I think so. But again this is just my opinion. And someone says she is pushing him away becuz she still loves him and pushes him away becuz he is dead. I think maybe she is pushing him away becuz she can't stand to see him without being with him. and for Willow, maybe she should forget Xander for now and look for another guy. They said Willow will change next season so maybe her feelings for Xander will change. She would always love him in her heart, but she should move on. Cordelia will have some romance next season. She will always have a guy at some sort. As for Xander, he probably will be jonesing for Buffy while she is jonesing for Angel. Ms. Calender and Giles having a romance will be sweet. He should have some sort of relationship. I know Joss said that Giles is jonesing for Ms. Calender. Funny how u look back to the first time they met and when we see them actually together. As for meeh, i'll be waiting and setting my vcr to tape the new season. Angela Mach Keeper of Buffy's taste in men(as in Angel) Keeper of Xander's sense of humor Keeper of Angel's strength and power Keeper of Sunnydale High and The Bronze ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 16:43:00 -0700 From: Taiyin Subject: Re: BUFFY: IKWYDLS/Buffy Promo At 07:01 PM 9/2/97 -0400, Cruciver@aol.com wrote: >I don't want her getting serious about ANYONE. It'll only lead to a >world of hurt later when she starts to define more clearly who she is and >what she wants. Let the poor girl wait until college, is my view. Angel is, >to my mind, a kind of prefiguring of the kind of guy she might wind up I agree. Plus, there's the very plain fact that as long as they try romantically linking her with *anyone* it superimposes very real logistical constraints on the show. I think they should leave her single just so they can keep their options open. >(Also, he's a vampire. But I guess I can ignore that if she can.) After watching where a similar 'love story' ended up on "Forever Knight," I'd have to say that no amount of ignoring it is going to change the very basic realities of their situation. And, frankly, I suppose I have to blame FK for being the *biggest* reason that I wouldn't want Buffy and Angel together. The first time they started getting hot and heavy he couldn't control himself -- somehow I think that poses a very fundamental obstacle to any romantic involvement. Taiyin NP4 ~ K&Lover ~ Slayerette ~ CoS ~ NatPacker ~ A-Team ~ XCG Obsessions: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/1922/taiyin.html For GH/PC related mailing lists visit Kevin & Lucy's Lighthouse: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/9479/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 16:45:13 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: IKWYDLS/Buffy Promo At 03:23 PM 8/30/97 -0400, you wrote: >Friends could dance, can't they ? I don't know >about the kissing part, though, even though that could be a friendship kiss, >also ! > Yes, friends can dance together, but the way we see Buffy dancing with Xander in the promo is in a different fashion than most who are "just friends" would dance. I'm personally not saying this is a *bad* thing, but it's certainly confusing. I'm thinking it doesn't have anything to do with Buffy finally realizing Xander is the hunk of her dreams, rather that it may be a way to intentionally hurt Angel in return for some wrongdoing (ducking out of the way as Angel/Buffy fans throw all manner of heavy blunt objects at my head). }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 19:13:26 -0500 From: Greg Brower Subject: Re: BUFFY: any Vegan Buffy fans here? Thrill racer wrote: >You didn't address my point, that the hyenia episode demonstrated the evil >of meat eating. So I'll take it that you know my observation is spot on. I agree that the hyenia episode attempted to show that several thigns are wrong. First, destroying others property, that is eating the prinicpals pig, is wrong. Second, that killing people without due cause is wrong. You should notice that Buffy's killing of the hyena keeper is not condemned. And third, preying on the week to bring glory, fame, power or security to yourself is wrong. IMHO, you should consider whether your previous values have led you to read into the episode what you want to believe. Greg Keeper of nothing, Appreciator of all things buffy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:15:07 -0600 (MDT) From: C Qin Subject: Re: BUFFY: any Vegan Buffy fans here? On Sun, 31 Aug 1997, thrill racer wrote: > The term would be flesh eater. I think the hyenia episode showed that meat > eating is evil. When the gang was possessed they preyed on the weak (a trait > of the evil), first they consumed a pig, then the principal. I think this > episode demonstrated that meat eaters aren't that far from canibals and > other violent perpetrators. Anyone agree? I think this is really off-topic, but at least it concerns an episode. Hey, if you don't eat meat, how can you develop big muscles and go around to slay vampires? (not to mention doing useless but cool-looking acrobatics while you're at it:) Besides, isn't eating vegetables evil too? I mean, you're also killing a living creature, and studies have shown that veggies are quite aware of their surroundings. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "You vegetarian! You horrible monster!" -- Supox diplomat - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:16:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BLecterB@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: TV guide I'm new to this mailing list, so HI! I once was a person who made fun of Buffy because I thought it was stupid show even though I've never seen it, but after a friend literally forced me to watch an episode, I've loved it ever since. I just wanted to inform everyone that there is a bit of info on Buffy in the TV Guide, which can also be found at their website. (www.tvguide.com) I also wanted to ask if there are any Buffy college fans out there. I'm starting to think that my friend and I are the only ones. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 17:09:07 -0700 From: "Christopher B. Castro" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel Babies? (was: SWANS CROSSING) >>If Angel and Buffy were to reunite, >>would they be able to create a baby? Here's my answer, which is certainly open to debate. As far as I know, vampires are dead. They may be *un*dead, but the human part of them is dead, even in Angel. The only part Angel now retains is his soul and his animated dead body. I am almost certain that there isn't a way for Angel or any other vampire, for that matter, to impregnate a woman. It would be an added bonus, for sure, considering the only way they make children of their own is to "change" them via blood transfer. Just like Angel and other vampires have "no breath" (I'm not getting into a consistency argument over this one), they should also have no capacity for sexual reproduction. Of course, I could be wrong, and 'Rosemary's Baby' could be on its way within a matter of months. *G* }:)> Chris 2 **Keeper of Xander's Cool** **BABS Loremaster** ========================================================================= BABS Homepage: http://www.porter.ucsc.edu/~weasel/BABS/babs.htm ========================================================================= "No, no, listen, don't listen to me, listen. You can find them if you are brave. They passed down all the roads long ago. And the Red Bull ran close behind them and covered their footprints." - -Peter S. Beagle, "The Last Unicorn" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: hope2@earthlink.net Subject: BUFFY: The Whole Buffy/Xander/Angel Thing! >Xander is her "territory?" What kind of Code of the Sirens is that? Ick. "territory" is taking this a little too far, I agree. But there's like this silent moral that everyone who has a bit or dignity respects. If your best friend likes someone, you know they are "off limits" to you! So even though Willow is shy, Buffy should know to keep away. Women have somehow been raised to have so much competition between each other, it's really quite horrible in a way. But friends are supposed to overlook that and help each other and care for each other. Some may think if Willow is too shy to say anything she should just let Buffy and Xander get together and that would at least make them happy, but no matter how hard you try, if you really love someone the feeling of jealousy if they're with your best friend would not go away. If Buffy were a *true* friend, she'd leave Xander alone! Just my thoughts... Okay, on the whole first episode contravesy stuff...here are my thoughts... a) I think everyone's dismissing the title of the ep. which clearly gives a deeper meaning to Buffy's actions in the ep. "When She Was Bad" can hint towards her being possessed, for one. Hey, it happened to Xander, why couldn't Buffy be possessed. I also find it rather interesting that the title is past tense, now that's a mystery in itself! Or then again, maybe this ep. is just reveiling the dark side of Buffy... b) Angel: Maybe Angel did something Buffy was mad at, was with another girl or something, or maybe she just wanted to bring Angel out to change his mind about staying away from her, and found the only way to do this was to get him jealous. True, this would be a horrible thing to do in all respects, but as I said before, the ep. is called "When She Was Bad." Maybe Buffy knew Angel would be watching when she was dancing with Xander, but not that Willow would be watching, hence the sadness of pretty much everyone, including Buffy. Maybe that whole "I missed you" thing was some of her apology. Come on people, there has to be some reason why she would say something as horrible as "I've moved on...to the living" to someone she once loved, or still loves, so much! Okay I'll stop now :) Always, Kymberly hope2@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:37:10, -0500 From: GSSM83C@prodigy.com (JOSEPH NORTHCOTT) Subject: Re: BUFFY: any Vegan Buffy fans here? Greg and C Qin (and anybody else about to jump into this thread). Please don't fall for "Thrill racer's" juvenile flame-baiting. The list mothers have already publicly identified those Vegan comments as flame-bait. I'm sure that "Thrill racer" is getting properly yelled at off list. Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 19:50:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: No more Roaring at Buffy On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Lisa Rose wrote: > For all the concern we had over "Roar" hurting > Buffy in that time slot, it appears Roar > has been canceled. Really? That's too bad, I was hoping to watch it. Of course, that would have required free time, which I didn't have too much of til now. > Online power circle! Just pretend Ms. Calendar > is here to link us all together into a massive > ring of positive Buffy energy. Buffy will > live forever!!! (or at least the typical max > life expectency of five seasons). So mote it > be! Hey, I'm sure Nikki is somewhere behind the scenes working magick on behalf of Buffy & Co. and on our behalf. After all, there are a lot more stories to tell, and people to meet, and vampires to slay. Besides, there's always the energy the fans put into the show. I think we've got a power circle of our own going on here. > Jonesing badly in the throes of Buffy Withdrawal > Sickness (is it obvious?), So obvious, at least to a fellow sufferer, Lisa. Just give it about two weeks and we'll be ok. Our inboxes will suffer from way increased list traffic, but we'll be ok at the very least. Tina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:54:26 -0600 (MDT) From: C Qin Subject: Re: BUFFY: math quiz - you've gotta try this out On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, twofangs/randi spiegel wrote: > The first digit (or first two digits) of this are your *original > number*: (i.e. how many times a week you want to: have sex / watch > BtVS / listen to Robyn Hitchcock) > > The second two digits are your age! > > It really works :) Of course it does. This algorithm simplifies to: Where x is the number of times a week you want to do whatever 100*x + 1997 - Birth year this adds x to the front of your two digit age. the number is 1997 or 1996 depending on if you've had your birthday already or not. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- = = Due to a mix-up in urology, |^^^^^| orange juice will not be served this morning... |^^^^^| |_____| - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:00:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Tina Subject: Re: BUFFY: No more Roaring at Buffy On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Andrew Wagster wrote: > Only twelve episodes? Are they crazy? Buffy is just about the only thing > the WB has going for them (IMO, of course). And I doubt that reruns of > Animaniacs can carry the whole network if they decide to get rid of > BtVS... Nope, from what I've heard, we've got a full slate of 22 episodes. In case this wasn't enough: ObBuffy: What's Ms. Calendar going to be doing next season? If... and I'd best put in spoilers for Sharon ...if Giles is jonesing for Ms. Calendar, is she going to be seeing someone else or totally oblivious? A new recurring character might be nice. Tina ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #271 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-buffy": subscribe buffy-digest local-buffy@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "buffy-digest" in the commands above with "buffy". 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