From: buffy-owner@xmission.com (buffy Digest) To: buffy-digest@xmission.com Subject: buffy Digest V1 #342 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: buffy-owner@xmission.com Errors-To: buffy-owner@xmission.com Precedence: buffy Digest Wednesday, October 1 1997 Volume 01 : Number 342 In this issue: BUFFY: Wooden bullets off topic Re: BUFFY: Ratings=AWESOME! Re: BUFFY: vamp invites Re: BUFFY: Guns vs. vamps... BUFFY: RE: Buffy Bands Touring Re: BUFFY: Guns vs. vamps... Re: BUFFY: School Hard Re: BUFFY: School Hard Re: BUFFY: School Hard Re: RE.: BUFFY: SH: SPIKE & DRUCILLA Re: BUFFY: vamp invites Re: BUFFY: Mocking Dru. Re: BUFFY: My School Hard Comments BUFFY: Xander & Angel scene BUFFY: Supermom (Spoilers School Hard) Re: BUFFY: Guns vs. vamps... Re: BUFFY: SPOILERS: SHD Re: BUFFY: School Hard: The Annoited One Re: BUFFY: Anne Rice Allusions Re: BUFFY: Spoiler - Annointed one Re: BUFFY: School Hard Re: BUFFY: keepers and Ms. C Re: BUFFY: My School Hard Comments Re: BUFFY: Re: Hey guys, check you later Re: BUFFY: Spike and the Slayer Manual BUFFY: Buffy's date with a psychiatrist Re: BUFFY: Guns vs. vamps... Re: BUFFY: My School Hard Comments BUFFY: Sorry!! Re: BUFFY: Spike and Dru Keeper Page Re: BUFFY: SH: SPIKE & DRUCILLA Re: BUFFY: A Willow Moment BUFFY: Spike looks like... Re: BUFFY: School Hard BUFFY: :-( *spoilers* Re: BUFFY: Spike and Dru Keeper Page Re: BUFFY: Spike and the Slayer Manual Re: BUFFY: SPOILERS: We Like (SP)IKE & Spike/Dru Keeper List & School Hard BUFFY: Sensing Shiela Re: BUFFY: My School Hard Comments Re: BUFFY: vamp invites Re: BUFFY: New Poll Re: BUFFY: My School Hard Comments Re: BUFFY: Sensing Shiela BUFFY: Spike's Car BUFFY: Spike running away & going one-on-one See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:12:35 -0400 From: sah Subject: BUFFY: Wooden bullets off topic The discussion of wooden bullets and their effect on vampires is off-topic. Please relate it specifically back to Buffy or take it off list. Thanks, - --sah - -- sah * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com NatPack * BotCoS * JunglePatrol * Bishop * CartoonSharon * Clumsy Dwarf The Buffy Mailing List page: http://www.mindspring.com/~romana/buffylist/ Of doctors and medicines we have in plenty more than enough...what you may, for the Love of God, send is some large quantity of beer. --Dispatch from the Colony, New South Wales, 1854 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: elizabeth yeung Subject: Re: BUFFY: Ratings=AWESOME! Hi everybody! Just want to share a little something with you. In today's (10/1)LA Times' Calendar section, there's an article called "So Far, Nothing's Habit-Forming," which talks about the new fall season and how people tuned in to watch premiere week last week but not many is tuning back this week. Anyway, at the last paragraph, it talks about WB. It said: "The WB scored record ratings Monday with "Buffy the Vampire Slayer," which lived up to its name by actually winning its time period in Los Angeles on KTLA-TV Channel 5." I thought that was pretty cool of how Buffy is winning its time slot. That's all. Until next week's ep..... Liz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:34:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyllener@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: vamp invites In a message dated 97-10-01 01:45:39 EDT, you write: << don't know if this has been brought up or not. But is it just me, or has the whole vampires need to be invited to enter any place thing just been thrown out of the picture? I mean they all enter the school and they aren't invited in. >> School is a public domain... a house isn't a house is private domain that is why they can't come in without being invited... On the Buffy side, in the movie they couldn't come in without being invited.... Gyllener@aol.com 3rd Generation Toreador, Primogen @}~~~'~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:27:10 -0500 From: Harold Hutchison Subject: Re: BUFFY: Guns vs. vamps... >Um, can you FIRE wooden bullets from a handgun? Wouldn't the initial >explosion sort of destroy the bullet before it got anywhere? One CAN fire wooden bullets from a gun. In fact, they're outlawed by the Geneva Conventions. It's VERY doable. Harold Hutchison ------------------------------ Date: From: RemencusL@jsc.mil Subject: BUFFY: RE: Buffy Bands Touring I wrote: >>>Kim Richey, whose song "Let the Sun Fall Down" plays in NKABOTFD, is scheduled to appear at the House of Blues in Chicago on Wed. Oct. 10. Contact the venue for current information. <<< That should be FRIDAY, not Wed. Oct. 10. Sorry folks! Leslie Natpack~HPotCoS~GASPer~AGA~Slayer~BotCoJ Buffy Music--http://members.aol.com/laremyb/private/buffy/main.htm "I'm putting a collar with a little bell on that guy." -Xander LaremyB@aol.com or RemencusL@jsc.mil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:10:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Wolfkazzy@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Guns vs. vamps... In a message dated 97-09-30 17:22:25 EDT, you write: > What if the bullets are made of wood? If the bullets were made of wood it wouldn't work through a metal chamber cuz it'll get too hot and burn up...actually the best bet is flying stakes like Buffy's crossbow. Wolfkazzy Keeper of Angel's Soul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:03:58 -0400 From: Jim McDonald Subject: Re: BUFFY: School Hard Robert Huff wrote: > > 1) When Buffy was at the Bronze, why did she run outside unarmed? > [snip] > Time. Spike reported someone was getting chomped _NOW_. If > she waited even a few seconds, the person might be dead But she did have time to put on her jacket? Sounds like animpetuous and overworked Slayer to me. Hey, she is human, right? (And even Cordy has noticed she's looking tired lately. Just hindering, Jim McDonald cj@artemis.phys.uconn.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: cn2759@abaco.coastalnet.com (JW) Subject: Re: BUFFY: School Hard >Actually, he and the Cop (Bob) both seem to know that it is not gangs. It is >possible though that neither knows of the Slayer mythology. I thought perhaps he does know about the Slayer mythology, but not that Buffy is the Slayer. Perhaps that is what he was trying to find out. When he brought Shelia in, he might have thought Shelia was the slayer, and was trying to choose between them. Of course I would assume he knows now, with Buffy telling him "I'm the one who can stop them". JW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:14:01 -0400 (EDT) From: cn2759@abaco.coastalnet.com (JW) Subject: Re: BUFFY: School Hard >1) When Buffy was at the Bronze, why did she run outside unarmed? She KNEW >that there was a vamp out there; that was her reason for going? How about her, asking Spike "do we really need weapons for this?" YES, you need a weapon, unless you were going to rip his head from his shoulders. Which, would be cool, but Spike can kill Buffy without a weapon, but she needs at least a stake. I would like to see Buffy start fighting a little smarter. Don't try and go toe-to-toe with every vampire. Start the fight, and throw a little Holy Water in his face, and stake them. Then perhaps she won't end up on her back in every fight. JW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:14:48 -0400 (EDT) From: cn2759@abaco.coastalnet.com (JW) Subject: Re: RE.: BUFFY: SH: SPIKE & DRUCILLA > I have the funny feeling that the Vampire with the >most power is Dru. I thought about this also, Spike is so powerful but young, what if Spike gained some of his power from Dru. He could feed on her, like she tasted him a little bit in SHD. Dru's comments about her hair, be interesting, if it turned out that Dru was ancient, and had gone mad over the ages. Then Spike came along and hooked up with her, and used some of her powers for his own. JW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:16:06 -0400 (EDT) From: TknoPagan@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: vamp invites I thought this only applied to a home of a person....Hmm..What would happen if they did come in? Does anyone know? Would they die? Maybe Buffy could walk inside their new hideout...Throw a rug on the floor, spruce it all up and call it home..and ten since all the vamps being inside of it..would wither and die..... Wait..That would mean no more reason for the show to be on...Scratch that... See what happens when you are at work for a full 8 hours with no break! Jason Martinez TknoPagan@aol.com Keeper of Buffy's Little Wooden Stake Keeper of Willow's Computer Keeper of Joyce's Sports Utility Vehicle Keeper of Spike's Boots Keeper of the Annointed One's Cage "No Spike,....It's oing to hurt alot..." Buffy, School Hard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:15:47 -0400 (EDT) From: TknoPagan@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Mocking Dru. No I mean the screen name was Britt1705? Or siomething like that.....This person was from AOL. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:16:37 -0400 (EDT) From: TknoPagan@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: My School Hard Comments Ann said: >1) I'm really getting annoyed with the trend of Buffy _losing_ the big >fights and having to be bailed out at the end. In both School Hard and Some >Assembly Required, Buffy ended up on her back, looking up dazedly at her >attacked. This, IMHO, is way uncool. I htink this part of the show is one part hat makes it a great show. Like on Lois and Clark....The fact that Superman was actually vunerable to some was believable. You can't have a character who just whams right throught the enemy....Then there would be no room for enemies. I think that Buffy should get beaten a little bit, just as long as she wins the fight in the end. Food For Thought.... Jason Martinez TknoPagan@aol.com Keeper of Buffy's Little Wooden Stake Keeper of Willow's Computer Keeper of Joyce's Sports Utility Vehicle Keeper of Spike's Boots Keeper of the Annointed One's Cage "No Spike,...It's going to hurt alot.."..Buffy ...School Hard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: cn2759@abaco.coastalnet.com (JW) Subject: BUFFY: Xander & Angel scene After Angel using Xander as bait in SHD, don't you think its only fair that Xander gets to do the same to Angel. I can see Xander hovering over Angel with a stake, threating to plunge it in. I wonder if he could control himself. I don't think Angel won him over, with the "then we would have known" line. What if he had bitten Xander, then Angel says yes, I'm one of you guys. Would he then have attacked Spike, the other vamps would have just attacked, nothing would have changed but Xander having a hole in his neck. Also Xander uses a word like prodigious in SAR, but has no clue what "sire" meant. I don't think so. JW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:18:24 -0400 (EDT) From: cn2759@abaco.coastalnet.com (JW) Subject: BUFFY: Supermom (Spoilers School Hard) Several people mentioned that perhaps Buffy's mom had a little slayer strength, when she whacked Spike with the ax. I think Buffy's powers are more mystical in nature. But, did anyone notice the window scene, that the man and Snyder are struggling to bend back those metal shutters, but Joyce just folds them back into place with ease. Hmmm. JW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Wolfkazzy@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Guns vs. vamps... In a message dated 97-09-30 17:22:25 EDT, you write: > What if the bullets are made of wood? If the bullets were made of wood it wouldn't work through a metal chamber cuz it'll get too hot and burn up...actually the best bet is flying stakes like Buffy's crossbow. Wolfkazzy Keeper of Angel's Soul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:41:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Amanda Subject: Re: BUFFY: SPOILERS: SHD Sire usually means- when referring to vampires, that you changed a person into a vampire. Angel is obvioulsy the one who made Spike into a vampire and is, in a sense, his father. This makes sense when thinking that Angel was also his mentor b/c in most vampire stories the creators job is to teach his offspring how to survive (kind of like parents and their children for humans) - -PoizonIvy: Vampire Kisser ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:46:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Amanda Subject: Re: BUFFY: School Hard: The Annoited One On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 Letondu@aol.com wrote: > Be careful here. One corner of the cage was hidden off the left edge of the > screen. He could be cowering there - hopefully not. - -Actually, there is smoke rising from the cage which is supposed to symbolize, IMHO, that Collin burst into flames and is now dead. I don't think he's coming back and I hope Joss wouldn't ever pull a Dynasty like thing ("Oh, It was all a dream"-yuck) - -PoizonIvy: Vampire Kisser Keeper of Xander's Wardrobe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:48:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Amanda Subject: Re: BUFFY: Anne Rice Allusions There are definate Anne Rice mentions, and to answer soemone's question- Spike does refer to Angel's puppy dog routine as the Anne Rice routine. I was very excited to hear that since I LOVE Anne Rice. - -PoizonIvy: Vampire Kisser ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Amanda Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spoiler - Annointed one > It looked to me like a deliberate attempt to put everyone together in one room..and it really wasn't much of a scene, > overall. - -I totally agree. When I saw that scene I was wondering- what the heck is Cordelia doing whittling stakes with Xander. I mean, I know she's supposed to get down with fighting vamps this season but this seemed so sudden. It also seemed out of character. Why would she do this? She's like, actually hanging out with the "losers". I was just shocked by this scene and made to feel like fitting Cordy into the group has been rushed. - -PoizonIvy: Vampire Kisser ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Huff Subject: Re: BUFFY: School Hard > > Time. Spike reported someone was getting chomped _NOW_. If > > she waited even a few seconds, the person might be dead > > But she did have time to put on her jacket? Let's suppose it was on the way. Notice how long it took Xander to locate the stake. (Admittedly, this was stretched out for cemedic purposes.) Robert Huff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:27:07 -0700 From: Aliesha Wallach Subject: Re: BUFFY: keepers and Ms. C THE ARCHANGEL GABRIEL wrote: > And lets hear it for Miriam. Who created a Spike and Dru Keeper page in > two days. Hey, I got bumped from the list for some unknown reason and haven't gotten any posts from the past day or so. Where's the Spike and Dru Keeper page? Can somebody send me the url, pretty please? Also, a friend of mine who's also into the show ( only after I forced him to watch it) emailed me with an interesting little tidbit about our own Jenny Calendar recently. I tried to post it before, but, like I said, I got bumped recently, so I don't know if it made it or not. So, I apologize if you get this twice, and here you go... -Aliesha GASP! - Keeper of the Hot Plate Keeper of Buffy's Bad Lemonade trixter1@ix.netcom.com writes: > I discovered an interesting tidbit on the internet movie database > (imdb.com). Do you remember a couple of years ago when the artist was > still known as Prince and his everchanging band was called "Prince and > the New Power Generation?" He had a song called "Diamonds and Pearls" > and in the video for that song and in a couple of other videos from the > album there were two gorgeous dancers named "Diamond" and "Pearl". > Buffy's Miss Calendar was Pearl. > > Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Iocaste@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: My School Hard Comments In a message dated 97-10-01 13:22:28 EDT, you write: << The fact that Superman was actually vunerable to some was believable. You can't have a character who just whams right throught the enemy....Then there would be no room for enemies. I think that Buffy should get beaten a little bit, just as long as she wins the fight in the end. Food For Thought.... >> Actually, this is one of the reasons Lois and Clark got ridiculous -- his abilities kept changing from episode to episode. First he lifts a space shuttle into space, then he has trouble stopping a subway train. Of course Buffy should have her limits, but I don't think we need to see this by having her lose all of her fights -- it creates a "woman in distress" dynamic that I object to. Take a look at Xena -- there's plenty of tension, but I can't ever imagine Xena lying helplessly on the ground looking up at her attacker with limpid eyes. Even Nikita on LFN, who in general is a far more vulnerable personality than Buffy, is never shown to be that _physically_ helpless. Ann iocaste@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:44:13 PDT From: "Victor Louie" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Hey guys, check you later Chris2 wrote: >notice, however, was the look that Buffy shot at Principal Snyder. Towards >the end of her pained look, there was a narrowing of eyes and a darkening >of face that looked almost furious--as if Snyder were out to get her (maybe >he is). Wouldn't you just love to see someone in a position of authority who's out to get Snyder a la Superintendent Chalmers on the Simpsons. I could see Snyder trying to explain why the library needs repairs for the umpteenth time this semester and why all the weird stuff seems to occur at his school. Lisa, JJ you guys want to take a shot at some funny dialogue for this situation? Happy thoughts, Victor ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Wolfkazzy@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spike and the Slayer Manual In a message dated 97-10-01 03:59:07 EDT, you write: > Nancy? You mean Sid and Nancy? No, I believe the name of the vampire that Spike insulted/knocked down while introducing himself to the Annointed One and his bunch was named Nancy. Wolfkazzy Keeper of Angel's Soul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 15:05:53 EDT From: humorist@juno.com (Mike Kim) Subject: BUFFY: Buffy's date with a psychiatrist In School Hard we see how much pressure Buffy is under as she tries to explain to Cordelia that she has 3 separate lives she has to juggle around. She's a Slayer with those accompanying responsibilities. She's a student already under suspect and labelled as a trouble-maker. And she has a personal life in which she has friends who know what she is going through, a relationship with a 200 + year old vampire, etc. It's enough to drive anyone crazy. I assume that as a Slayer she posseses super human physical traits and courage, but I wonder if that also includes the ability to emotionally and mentally deal with the complications that her life involves. I don't think so, and I'm wondering how long it is before Principal Snyder orders her to see the School Psychiatrist. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: TaoOne@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Guns vs. vamps... All I have to say is the back of the piece of woods better be steel jacketed or the wood is gonna blow up when the primer goes off Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:03:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Hickerson Subject: Re: BUFFY: My School Hard Comments On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 TknoPagan@aol.com wrote: [Stuff about Buffy losing the big fights clipped] > I htink this part of the show is one part hat makes it a great show. Like on > Lois and Clark....The fact that Superman was actually vunerable to some was > believable. You have an interesting point here, but I have to point out that the ones that Superman being "vulnerable" to generally had Kryptonite. However, there were villians who were able to get to Superman through his being emotionally involved with people such as Lois. They were able to take adavantage of the fact that he cared for people and thus put him to the test. I think this might be interesting if it was done on Buffy a bit. Maybe where she faces a "no-win" situation. >You can't have a character who just whams right throught the > enemy....Then there would be no room for enemies. I think that Buffy should > get beaten a little bit, just as long as she wins the fight in the end. Food > For Thought.... > I thought the end of Monday's episode was kind of weak. I guess it's left over L&C disdain from how bad the last year was. It just seemed that you had this virtually unstoppable villain in Spike and the writers didn't know how to get Buffy out of it. So, you had the mother threaten him the ax and he runs away. Yes, you've got to have him live to fight another day, but it seems like there'd be a better way to get to that point than the ending they chose. Otherwise, I really enjoyed the episode as a whole. As for the enemy thing, I think it comes down to a situation like on Star Trek: TNG with the Borg where you make them so ruthless and unstoppable that any way you beat them will seem lame. There's got to be some achilles heel put in, or else you lose the believability. I think, for Spike, this will be his arrogance leading to his downfall. I think he's going to act like a cool dude and that may lead his mouth to write checks his body can't cash, to coin a phrase. Just my opinion. Michael *************************************************************** *Michael Hickerson mhickers@usit.net* *************************************************************** *"Just look behind your own soul and the person that you'll * * see just might remind you of me." --Colin Raye * *************************************************************** > > > Jason Martinez > TknoPagan@aol.com > Keeper of Buffy's Little Wooden Stake > Keeper of Willow's Computer > Keeper of Joyce's Sports Utility Vehicle > Keeper of Spike's Boots > Keeper of the Annointed One's Cage > "No Spike,...It's going to hurt alot.."..Buffy ...School Hard > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 16:17:09 -0700 From: Sebastian Luberto Subject: BUFFY: Sorry!! I just wanted to say sorry about my last post because it posted a whole digest along with it and I'm really sorry that I wasted space! It won't happen again. Slayer' honor! Jilbert:) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angela A." Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spike and Dru Keeper Page Speaking of keepers- Can I be the Keeper of Spikes accent?? Let me know :) Angela jelligyrl@rocketmail.com PS Thanks Divine :) You do not destroy an idea by killing people; you replace it with a better one. - --Edward Keating _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:30:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Jillium5@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: SH: SPIKE & DRUCILLA Wow I never thought about that. I think you're on to somthing about Dru being more powerful than she is, we all know about the weak thing and stuff, she seems more underhanded. I think she has some tricks up her sleave Jill Keeper of Angel's dislike of Owen, Keeper Of Angel's Oxygen, Keeper of Spikes steel rod ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:32:59 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bjorkman Subject: Re: BUFFY: A Willow Moment While watching my tape of the Spike episode, I noticed an amazing little Willow moment - when everone is making the stakes and stuff, Willow sort of points the crossbow at Giles. Giles pushes it away in his sort of Dr. Smith, "Spare me the poisonous barbs" way, and Alyson - probably thinking she was off-camera by then - gives this look that is priceless. It's just like the ones she has in those pictures from the various conventions she's been at, smiling in this "you big ham" way. Totally out of character for Willow - sometimes I think she's under orders never to look like she's enjoying herself on the show - but really shows her off to best advantage. jb "What can I say? Couldn't wait." Spike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:34:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jillium5@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Spike looks like... I think he also looks like the guy from 311 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:45:44 -0600 From: "Jodie Lee King" Subject: Re: BUFFY: School Hard > From: peej@mpb.com > The show seemed to contradict itself with this point. Why, if he KNEW > that this "gang on pcp" were vampires, would he begin to climb out of > the window? Perhaps he did not realize that Spike had protected his perimeter (as taught by Angel). The other vamps in Sunnydale have been pretty dense and I expect that Snider thought they were all inside the school, so it would be safer to be outside. Lisa wrote: I second that. It's JJ and the other amusing posters that get me through those days when I'm greatly moved to stake a few people at school. An amused teacher is a kind teacher. Michael wrote: I guess that just goes to show how diverse the viewers of Buffy are. I loved that ending, maybe because I'm a mother and I'd sure risk my live for my kids. From a less personal point of view, howerer, I'd suggest that first of all she removed Buffy from danger with the initial smack of the ax. After that was done it left Buffy ready to fight again. This time she could have used the ax herself...chop, chop to get him down, followed by...stab, stab with with the wooden handle. (It worked with the shovel handle in SAR.) Spike is dusted. He changed the "no weapon" rule when he cheated and came after her with a board. Until he did that, Buffy had the upper hand. Jodie jking@inuvik.net Proud Buffyatric, Buffaholic and member of Buffy, eh? Room 104 BAH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:52:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Xinlei Du Subject: BUFFY: :-( *spoilers* H e y d i d y o u k n o w o h o h o h.....CHERRIOS..=o) Hey! THat episode...Niiigh..didn't like it that much, This season hasn't really drawnnnn me to it! I don't like this Spike guy. I have to say that I liked the Master better. And this Druscilla person..ick. And how, I mean really, HOW could they juts kill off the Annointed like that?? I liked the name the ANNOYING one though..that was good. *sigh* The Angel/Xander biting part was hee hee..."What the heck is a Sire???" And Buffy's mom...the next slayer? =o) Xinlei ================================================================== "Live your life." ---Lucius Snow ================================================================== Home of Dudette - http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/9759 Help vote for my site! - http://www.thesitefights.com/fight3cv.htm ================================================================== _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angela A." Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spike and Dru Keeper Page > Can I be the Keeper of Spikes accent?? Let me know :) > Hi all- I made a boo boo. I meant to write Dru's accent but was reading about spike. So what I meant to say is can I be the keeper of Dru's accent?? Sorry for the confusion. Angela :) _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:55:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Wagster Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spike and the Slayer Manual On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 Wolfkazzy@aol.com wrote: > No, I believe the name of the vampire that Spike insulted/knocked down while > introducing himself to the Annointed One and his bunch was named Nancy. Allow me to step in here: NO HE WASN'T! If I remember correctly, Spike used the term "Nancy-boy". It's a slam. A dated slam, but a slam nontheless. The best translation I can do would be "wuss". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angela A." Subject: Re: BUFFY: SPOILERS: We Like (SP)IKE & Spike/Dru Keeper List & School Hard > if you wnat to claim something, email me OFFLIST> Hi- I made a mistake again. I didnt read message number 170 in my buffy inbox. Sorry about the outburt on the list :) It won't happen again. Angela A Keeper of Dru's Accent _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:15:21 -0600 (MDT) From: " St. Greyson" Subject: BUFFY: Sensing Shiela One of the current debates is why Buffy didn't sense Shiela in the hallway. I think maybe she did sense her, and was acting like she didn't. Buffy was trying her best to keep the civilians from finding out about the vampires (she knocked the vampire breaking into the room down before staking him, perhaps so that her mother wouldn't see the actual kill). And yet, when Shiela shows up, Buffy doesn't try to stop her from following Buffy. I would think that Buffy would try to get Shiela to safety, or tell her to wait behind, but she doesn't say anything when Shiela picks up the axe (although she does get a funny look on her face). So maybe Buffy knew Shiela was a vampire. So why would she allow Shiela to follow her? Maybe she didn't want the noise from killing Shiela to warn the other vampire (altough he seemed pretty deaf, what with his partner dying right around the corner and all). Or maybe she thought the other vampire, probably being older, was more dangerous, and was planning on getting Shiela second. Or maybe, as an extension of protecting Shiela earlier when Snyder came around, Buffy was hoping Shiela would be like Angel. In any case, the look on Buffy's face after killing the second vampire, when she looks at Shiela with that "That's right, I'm the Slayer, you're dead" expression, made the whole scene priceless. Greyson Keeper of Buffy's Dresser Drawer of Weapons Greyson@tripod.net There Can Be Only One. Slayer, that is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:47:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Britt1975@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: My School Hard Comments In a message dated 97-10-01 16:10:53 EDT, mhickers writes: << So, you had the mother threaten him the ax and he runs away. >> I didn't really like this resolution either, I mean I liked that Joyce now has a little more respect for her daughter....but I would have preffered to see Angel do the saving if any had to be done at all. Not for any silly, romantical stuff....but because I would have liked to see some more vamp banner while they fight. I loved the way that Spike and Angel interacted and I wanna see more. James B. Noted.... <<>> I saw this too....I was like...."that is a *so* not Willow, look" And I have to say that Aly looked adorable in what little bit of this episode she was in. That final scene in the closet with Cordy...I was thinking that Xander should see her now....I loved her green dress with funky tights. I don't know about ya'll...but where I went to HS...Willow would be a much sought after dateable girl. Oh by the way...what is all of this I keep reading about JJ being gone...did I miss a post.... can it be true...one of our most qoutable posters has abandoned us in our time of new-buffy-episode triumph? Why-oh-why? Tell me please that this is only temporary and that JJ will be back soon. Ummm...sorry...I'll stop now. Brittany Britt1975@aol.com Keeper of Xander's Ice Cream Cone "If they hurt Willow, I'll kill you" Xander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:20:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Gyllener@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: vamp invites In a message dated 97-10-01 13:20:48 EDT, you write: << thought this only applied to a home of a person....Hmm..What would happen if they did come in? Does anyone know? Would they die? Maybe Buffy could walk inside their new hideout...Throw a rug on the floor, spruce it all up and call it home..and ten since all the vamps being inside of it..would wither and die..... Wait..That would mean no more reason for the show to be on...Scratch that... >> If they come in I suggest two things 1- Run Like Hell 2- Prepare to be the next meal..... heheheheheh ;>) \(^^^^)/ Gyllener@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:24:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Angel4MEOK@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: New Poll 1. Who should Buffy become romanticly involved with: a) Xander b) Angel c) Giles d) Someone New e) Willow f) Cordelia g) No one 2. We all know Buffy will be changed by the turn of events in "Profecy Girl" What is your personal favorite scenerio: a) She was turned into a vamp (I know it was only a 1 sucker) and she'll live with Angel forever slaying bad vamps and drinking blood bags and trains Willow and Xander to take her place in Mystical Daylight happenings. b) Everything goes as it had before PROPHECY GIRL. c) Just a little bit of shock ie) A little dazed & confused d) Becomes real bitter and falls deep into solitude Major Withdrawl. e) Turns on her freinds and tries to get them to hate her so that they won't be in any immediate danger, ever. f) Starts getting bad nightmares, gets recklace etc. h)Buffy becoming Immortal like in the sequal to the "Stakes are High". i)She now excepts that Angel is a vampire, but chooses not to dust him. She knows Xander's love for her is real, and they get together. What's your fave ? 3. How do you think the crew of BtVS should change each charector (if at all) physicaly and emotionally and WHY ? I don't know. 4. What did you think of Sarah Michelle Gellar's appearence on Leno ? I didn't see it, but I wish I had. 5. Do you think there should be a Soundtrack and what should it be called: a) The Bronze 1... The Bronze 2..... ETC b) The Bronze (No #'s) c) Buffy the Vampire Slayer Soundtrack d) other______________ e)No CD At all. 6. Would you rather Buffy didn't "crush" on anyone ? And didn't date ? I want Buffy to get with Angel, they have such chemistry. 7. Wouth you like the show better if it was more: a) Traditional gothic stuff. b) Modern 'welcome to the 90's' stuff c) A good mix of both. (NO CHANGE) d) Pretty much the same but a touch more traditional gothic stuff. e) Pretty much the same but a touch more modern 'welcome to the 90's' stuff. ~Caitlin~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:36:20 -0400 From: koch@northnet.org Subject: Re: BUFFY: My School Hard Comments At 04:03 PM 10/1/97 -0400, you wrote: >some achilles heel put in, or else you lose the believability. I think, >for Spike, this will be his arrogance leading to his downfall. I think >he's going to act like a cool dude and that may lead his mouth to write >checks his body can't cash, to coin a phrase. That's a strong possibility. But I think Spike's biggest weakness is his one quality no other vamp has shown (well, 'cept Angel): Love. He appears to love Druscilla very deeply, and that could be his downfall. In a "Give up your life or I stake the wench." situation with Buffy, I think he'd be *running* onto that pointy wooden object, to make sure it stayed out of *her* chest. Of course, if Dru's stronger than we think, this may not be a worry anyway ;-) ---------------\/!@$|-|!|\|()--------------- | NOSFERATU PrImE MiNiStEr Of WhUp-@$$! | | kEePeR oF tHe AnNoInTeD's AsHeS | | MeMbEr MiSs CaLeNdAr'S tEcHnOpAgAnS | | "So, who do you kill for fun around here?" | |___________-SpIkE, "ScHoOl HaRd"-___________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:43:48 -0400 From: John Nestoriak Subject: Re: BUFFY: Sensing Shiela St. Greyson wrote: > > One of the current debates is why Buffy didn't sense Shiela in the > hallway. How about another theory. Maybe the slayer sense is a bit like the "spider sense". It's kinda vague. She can't look at someone and see or feel vampire. Just get a general sense of vampires are in the area. Well with all the vamps already crawling around the school the slayer sense would be going nuts. She couldn't sense Sheila over the background noise. Same with Jesse in WttH (or was it The Harvest). About the only time I can remember where we've seen Buffy use what could be the slayer sense was with the 3. It wasn't "ooh there are three vampires behing me, there, there and there" it was "there's a vamp in the area - show yourself". - -- John Nestoriak * Meme s'il se trouvait la Software Engineer * saurais-je l'ecouter The Telephone Connection * le garde sous les doigts jnestoriak@telecnnct.com * sans jamais l'oublier? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: PalOBuffys@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Spike's Car I looked through a couple of books about 1950's American automobiles and am now pretty confident that Spike was driving a 1957 or 58 Chrysler or Plymouth. The shape of the fins, taillight placement, rear window curvature etc. all resemble these vehicles more than anything else I happened upon. The smaller round taillight glowing on the lower right side, below the tailfin, was a real selling point for these models. Since, however, the complimentary light on the left side was not glowing I must say I'm a bit worried about the poor cop who pulls Spike over for a burned out tail or brake light. Like their job isn't scary enough, eh? Mike (PalOBuffys@aol.com) Keeper of Buffy's little white teddy bear Keeper of Buffy's beeper Keeper of Little Buffy's Bubblegum Pink Bicycle (with handlebar streamers and automated stake dispenser) "The part that gets me though, is where Buffy is the Vampire Slayer. She's so little." --- Ms. Calendar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:55:03 -0400 (EDT) From: cn2759@abaco.coastalnet.com (JW) Subject: BUFFY: Spike running away & going one-on-one I wanted to comment about Spike's running away after Joyce smacks him with the ax. Several have stated that perhaps Spike wanted this to be a fair fight, or at least just him and the slayer. I don't think so, why else bring all the extra help. He could have taken Buffy outside the Bronze, if he had wanted to go one on one. He took Buffy on by himself because he was it, I don't think he would have turned down any help. He told Angel "we'll do it together" refering to killing the slayer. Yes, he was waiting to sucker Angel, but then he didn't attack Angel, He used the others "this is not a spectator sport". He didn't feel he could take Angel by himself. I'm sure he had a bit more confidence in fighting Buffy, but still he has to be thinking "she killed the master". That ax, must have hurt even for a vamp, thus he lost the advantage he was wounded, on the ground. The Slayer had gained the upper hand, and help with an ax. I think he just cut his losses and ran for home. I don't think he's a "nancy-boy", but I don't think he's quite the macho type, he will use any advantage he can, including cheating. JW cn2759@coastalnet.com "So if the vampires are going to attack in force, Aren't we thinking..vacation" Xander, SHD ------------------------------ End of buffy Digest V1 #342 *************************** To subscribe to buffy Digest, send the command: subscribe buffy-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@xmission.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-buffy": subscribe buffy-digest local-buffy@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "buffy-digest" in the commands above with "buffy". Back issues are available for anonymous FTP from ftp.xmission.com, in pub/lists/buffy/archive. These are organized by date.