From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V1 #531 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Thursday, January 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 531 In this issue: BUFFY: Angel & sex BUFFY: Buffy A Role Model? BUFFY: Buffy sex and.. BUFFY: Content-Type: text/plain BUFFY: Just a thought Spoiler Re: BUFFY: Just a thought Spoiler Re: BUFFY: Xander vs. Chandler BUFFY: More Joss (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) Re: BUFFY: Angel & Buffy - What's so wrong with it.... BUFFY: Buffy&Angel BUFFY: Two Parter - Possible SPOILERS BUFFY: Juliet and Romeo, er, James BUFFY: Buffy and Angel BUFFY: bed Re: BUFFY: Just a thought Spoiler [Fwd: BUFFY: Just a thought Spoiler] BUFFY: (no subject) Re: BUFFY: U missed the point BUFFY: Interesting Prophecy Girl Line and Preview BUFFY: Ted observation Re: BUFFY: Angel & Buffy - What's so wrong with it.... BUFFY: Buffy themes Re: BUFFY: watcher and handbook Re: BUFFY: watcher and handbook Re: BUFFY: Thoughts on Angel Episode Re: BUFFY: maybe a spoiler Re: BUFFY: angel + air Re: BUFFY: angel + air Re: BUFFY: angel + sex See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:20:05 -0500 From: Schimmel <75211.522@compuserve.com> Subject: BUFFY: Angel & sex Pac wrote: <> I don't think this is true; since according to The Vampire Encyclopdia, a vampire and human can have a child together (a DHAMPIR). Sandra - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:38:02 -0500 From: Schimmel <75211.522@compuserve.com> Subject: BUFFY: Buffy A Role Model? Some people have said that Buffy shouldn't sleep with Angel because she is a ; I think we should give Joss Whedon more credit than that! I don't believe he'd EVER turn Buffy into a priggish, sanctimonious like that. Sandra - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:26:58 -0500 From: Metkulu Subject: BUFFY: Buffy sex and.. I think we are having a problem with angel and Buffy making love because we are conditioned that Vampires do not make love. In all movies vampires might love someone but the feeding on mortals seems to be their main goal. Dru and spike must have sex they are always all over each other. I think Angel has had sex more than once in his 241 years. He probably bit the girls after. I would like Buffy to be a virgin. I don't want Angel to betray Buffy. Let it be Giles. I can't wait until the new season. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:09:36 PST From: "Megan Colleen" Subject: BUFFY: Content-Type: text/plain Hello, This is my frist time respoding to something on here so please be patient. angel_63 said: >>I don't think it's so wrong, after all, most teenagers these days are having sex regularly from 13 on. She's almost 17 for gosh sakes!!!!<< Wendy replied with: > Sorry..that's not really true. *Some* (*not* most ) teenagers have sex at 13 ... some wait until they are 20. However, I'll grant that by 17, it certainly wouldn't be "unusual" if she decided to have sex. << Ok so this was said.. and now here are my 2 cents. If no one minds that is! I have to agree with Wendy, because i myself didn't end up "losing my virginity" until i was 19. I am now 21. I was proud of the fact that i didn't give into the pressure of my friends or the people at high school who were all having sex, saying it was wonderful etc. I saw the probs they had to go through in order to "have it." They had to sneak around, get condoms somehow.. and possibly deal with getting pregnant. ANYWAY.. i also can see where angel is coming from when he/she? says that "most" teens are having sex. It depends where you are. I now live on a indian reservation, and i agree most of the teens up here on the rez are having sex at a VERY young age. But it's not like this everywhere. Except for these "hotspots" a lot of teens are waiting to have sex from what i have understood from various polls etc. A lot of them are starting to smoke before ever having sex it seems. *chuckle* What does this mean for Buffy? Someone mentioned Donna from 90210 was a virgin for a long time, however, she wasn't exactly my idea of a role model. She did a lot of worse things even if she was a virgin. (Don't quote me i haven't watched the show 90210 in awhile! If i am wrong feel free to point it out to me!) Not being a virgin doesn't mean that Buffy will become a poor role model for today's youth. I do think it would help the abstinence movement if she and Angel did hold off, but it wouldn't make her a bad person. Buffy is strong in many other ways, she thinks for herself and doesnt worry TOO much about what the popular people like Cordy & Co, say. That in itself makes a wonderful role model. As for Xander getting jealous? I don't think he would attempt to kill Angel, Xander is beginning to mature after all. I think if anyone were to have sex first it would be Xander, then perhaps Willow, buffy would probably be last of all. *shrugs* I am probably wrong on the order of things, but it's just my opinion. So ... i look forward to reading the continuation of the arguement at hand. Take Care Everyone, wolfka Love needs its martyrs Love will be the devil My lonely survivors But their spirits shall live on In the hearts of all lovers -- Depeche Mode "The Love Theives" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 14:11:43 -0500 From: Metkulu Subject: BUFFY: Just a thought Spoiler If Angel is the betrayer then Notice when Angel is in bed you don't see who is with him. Heis in bed with Dru and Buffy walks in. Please comment - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:11:02 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Hickerson Subject: Re: BUFFY: Just a thought Spoiler On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Metkulu wrote: > If Angel is the betrayer then > Notice when Angel is in bed you don't see who is with him. Heis in bed > with Dru and Buffy walks in. > Please comment An interesting theory and one that I hadn't really thought about until you brought it up. I will add my own speculation to it that Ms. C steals Angel's soul and he reverts to his evil ways. He tries to seduce Buffy, but she realizes that this is not the same Angel she knows and has come to love and doesn't. He storms off and then turns to Dru to help drown his sorrow. Of course, I think the betrayal could still be done by Xander inadvertantly. He could be tricked into thinking he is doing the right thing and it turns out badly in the end. Michael *************************************************************** *Michael Hickerson mhickers@usit.net* * http://www.public.usit.net/mhickers * * Visit the Bearden UMC Young Singles Web Page! * * http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5827 * *************************************************************** *"Just look behind your own soul and the person that you'll * * see just might remind you of me." --Colin Raye * *************************************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:22:21 -0500 From: Mark Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander vs. Chandler Sparky Dawntreader wrote: > For starters, Xander's funnier, > Chandler is far from the be all and end all > of funny, wise cracking men full of witty asides and whatnot... > Just feeling defensive about a show with much better writing than > "friends," Sparky (Mehitabel) speaks my mind. Friends, taken in isolation, is moderately funny, mostly because of the extremely talented actors. Comparing the writing on Friends to the writing on BtVS is like comparing a child with a dull crayon, laboriously retranscribing scripts from the Three Stooges, to Douglas Adams, Mark Twain and Shakespeare. Zero comparison. None. Mark markwithak@mindspring.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:26:29 -0800 (PST) From: April Conway Subject: BUFFY: More Joss (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) SPOILER SPACE DUH!!! HAVING FUN YET?!? OK, then. Here's some more Joss posts from the Bronze, for those of you who like to read them. Yippee. joss says: (Wed Dec 31 9:50:26 PST 1997 ww-tp03.proxy.aol.com) no flashbacks planned right now. And no extension of the season. Why? cuz we may all die of exhaustion just getting out 22 of these monsters. Oh, and I'm not really the e-mailing type. Don't know how to avoid giving out my address and I can't do that, it would be MADNESS,MADNESS in a Charlton Heston shouting to the heavens kind of way. Do sometimes answer snailly-type mail, though, unless it has plotline ideas in it, in which case I can't read it. joss says: (Wed Dec 31 9:41:15 PST 1997 Oh, yeah, TV Guide. For the record, Sarah didn't say that stuff. She was wicked upset when it came out. She ain't leaving. (there goes MY big break into showbiz). That's all. He's purty funny. Crazy, like. Well, I have to go now. Peace everyone! == Careen Keeper of Giles' Snow Globe aprilcareen@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:01:50 EST From: LilyRei Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel & Buffy - What's so wrong with it.... In a message dated 97-12-31 10:54:10 EST, you write: << While I don't care for the term "doing the nasty", I have to agree with the idea that she doesn't need to remain a virgin (assuming she is one ) to remain a role model. >> I have to agree with everything you've said, but especially this statement. Why do people remain juvenile and use terms like this when they're talking about sex? (Which, BTW, is a natural thing, not intended to be "dirty" or "nasty" and is probably one of the best expressions of love between two people that there is.) Just my 2 cents. LilyRei http://members.aol.com/LilyRei/PAGEONE.html ___________________________________________________ Guardian of Cordelia's Desire to be Accepted for Her True Self Keeper of Kendra's Fighting Prowess Keeper of Kendra's Astonishment (Slayer Loves A Vamp?) Keeper of Kendra's Power Strut - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:37:58 EST From: TS Bear Subject: BUFFY: Buffy&Angel So okay, that whole Buffy preview has totally been driving me nuts!! I cant believe that one of the gang on Buffy is gonna betray our beloved slayer! *grrrrrr* But anyway, I really dont have a theory on what exactly is going to happen BUT on the subject of the email that somone sent about the whole bed scene being with Angel and Dru: Why would it show Drusilla with a knife to angel's throat? It doesnt really follow a loving bed scene, now does it? =) Anyway, heres the latest update on who's your fav. vamp: 1st place: Angel 2nd place: Spike 3rd place: Drusilla 4th place: Darla 5th place: the Master If you still havent cast your vote yet, please do! http://members.aol.com/TSBear/buffy.html Heres to counting down the days 'till the two parter..... Christine Webmistress of the Lair of Buffy ~Join my webring~: Http://members.aol.com/Kiana1997/webring.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:31:08 -0500 From: Brian Taylor Subject: BUFFY: Two Parter - Possible SPOILERS Spoiler Space 1. Someone will betray Buffy 2. Willow, Ms. Calendar, and Joyce weren't in the preview 3. The whole thing pointed out that Angel was the betrayer Now, to betray someone doesn't necessarily mean that they've gone to the darkside, for lack of a better phrase. Ramble time. Lets assume that Buffy does, uh, something with Angel. Now, she tells Willow about this, telling Willow not to tell anyone. Willow, in her classic "Can't lie to anyone" fashion, blurts this out to Giles/Xander/Cordy/Mrs. C/someone, thus "betraying" Buffy. I also liked the idea that it was Angel and Dru in bed. This would be major betrayal on Angel's part. We know that the first episode is called "Surprise", and that SMG said the Buffy's 17th birthday is coming up....maybe it's about something she gets for her birthday. Like, a bad surprise. "Innocence" sounds to me like someone was accused of doing something wrong, but its found out that they didn't. Thanks for letting me babble, Brian - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:11:08 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net (Katie Masters) Subject: BUFFY: Juliet and Romeo, er, James Buffy is all over Ultimate TV's Yearbook. Spike and Dru(James and Juliet) are in Killer Couples, Sarah and David are winning in the homecoming section as is Sarah for Best TV gal and Buffy for best Drama. And the signing section is just an I LOVE BUFFY page. Check it out. http://www.ultimatetv.com/yearbook/97/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:12:37 -0500 From: Metkulu Subject: BUFFY: Buffy and Angel You can tell this is really bugging me. If Angel is the betrayer, why? What kind of betray could he do to Buffy???? - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:31:30 -0500 From: Pantera! Subject: BUFFY: bed You could see that it was buffy in the bed with Angel. I rewinded my vcr. ^JeNy^ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:35:06 -0800 From: preta@earthlink.net Subject: Re: BUFFY: Just a thought Spoiler >If Angel is the betrayer then >Notice when Angel is in bed you don't see who is with him. Heis in bed >with Dru and Buffy walks in. >Please comment But you doo see that it is Buffy, using the pause button anyway. Preta preta@earthlink.net *** Male irato ferrum committitur. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:38:15 -0800 From: PURPLE LADY Subject: [Fwd: BUFFY: Just a thought Spoiler] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------65469D6D94D640C006524160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Metkulu wrote: > If Angel is the betrayer then > Notice when Angel is in bed you don't see who is with him. Heis in bed > with Dru and Buffy walks in. > Please comment > I still think it is Buffy in bed with Angel. I have looked at the AVI > frame-by-frame and it looks like Buffy to me... > - purpldy@pacbell.net - -- Willow: "Okay, here's something I gotta' know. When Angel kissed you...I mean, before he turned into...how was it?" 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Heis in bed with Dru and Buffy walks in. Please comment - - - --------------65469D6D94D640C006524160-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 17:44:46 -0800 From: PURPLE LADY Subject: BUFFY: (no subject) Sorry about the attachment "list moms". It was a boo boo. Will not happen again purpldy@pacbell.net - -- Willow: "Okay, here's something I gotta' know. When Angel kissed you...I mean, before he turned into...how was it?" Buffy: "Unbelievable." - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 20:47:47 EST From: deathsfury@juno.com (J. BLACKSTONE) Subject: Re: BUFFY: U missed the point What annoyed me about your message was your statement in parentheses that Drusilla deserved to be driven insane. And I quote "(tho she probably deserved to be thrown into insanity)." The reply you sent missed this whole point I was trying to make. Drusilla was an innocent VICTIM. Your parentheses statement implies that Drusilla's fate was warranted or that SHE somehow deserved to be driven insane. It is just too close to BLAME THE VICTIM. Angel was supremely evil and there was no justification for what he did to Drusilla. I hope this statement is NOW clear enough for YOU to understand. This was the point that I was trying to get across which you obviously failed to comprehend, as can be deduced from the reply you sent. I was not suggesting that Buffy had known about Angel's past previously or that it was Angel who is unsettled and not Buffy (how you got that from my message is totally beyond me) >From your original message it seemed you were trying to rationalize away or minimize what Angel had done to Drusilla. This is annoying because that is what I love about Angelus (or the evil Angel, if you will) that he was so utterly evil that he tortured the innocent Drusilla simply for the pure delight of it. . J. B. A Connoisseur of Dark Characters and Dark Humor On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:57:20 -0600 Kasey Johns writes: >At 12:31 AM 12/31/97 EST, you wrote: >>Wow what is the deal with this statement? Drusilla deserved to be >>stalked and tormented into madness for her Great Sins of being >chaste, >>pure and innocent. What Bizarro world are you in? Angelus was not a >run >>of the mill vampire. The whole point of the story of Drusilla and >the >>comments from the Master was that he was FAR worse that the run of >the >>mill vampires. He was a Prince of Demons with the Master being the >King. >>Angelus was the epitomy of EVIL that other vampires aspired to, and >the >>demon part of Angelus is still within him tempered with his soul >which >>makes for a tortured existence indeed. > >Read before you dissect, it generally works better that way. I meant >unsettling for Buffy, certainly not for Angel... let's see, last time >I >checked, Buffy didn't *know* this horrible, "prince of demons" side of >Angel *until* the Dru story came out. She certainly didn't shrug it >off >and ignore it. Now she knows Angel has done something horrible *to >her >standards*, even though we all realize that it was not so for Angel. > > > >Kasey - slayerville@geocities.com Personal ICQ >#5770018 >E-Mail Express - 5487411@pager.mirabilis.com BuffyICQ/Chatroom >#5487411 - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 21:22:12 EST From: DaisyFoo14 Subject: BUFFY: Interesting Prophecy Girl Line and Preview Hey guys! I recently watched PG again, and noticed that when everyone's leaving, just before Angel tells Buffy that he likes her dress, you can hear Sarah's voice saying, "I'm really, really hungry." Does it mention that in closed captioning, or was it just a mistake or a joke? Or am I going crazy and hearing things? The first time I heard it, I wasn't sure if it was Sarah, but I'm pretty sure it was. Can anyone verify? It'll be fun! Wow! That preview had me in shock for like 5 minutes...then I watched it again, and once again in slow-mo. Nick looked really good...I noticed the absence of Willow, too, but ok. It looks (well, both parts look) incredible!!! I hope they show that preview again so I can get it on tape. (I watched it on my friend's tape.) Nick looked really good! Gotta get it on tape....! Although I'm ok with the moving to Tuesdays (even though it's got such a Monday feel to me...), I'm really not too keen on the 8 thing. Buffy is just so....... 9 o'clock! Oh well. As long as they're still showing it! Where it goes, I shall follow. Btw, does anyone know who wrote the upcoming episodes? Just curious. Happy New Year everyone! Alli T:DaisyFoo14@aol.com-GASPer-Keeper: C's cell phone,sparkle purse, light blue silk dress, X's Tweety Bird watch,Scooby Doo Shirt, robe in trash, newspaper @ Bronze, B's pur-pink lamp,green sunglasses,suitcases, W's light blue rolly hat, maroon quarterback shirt, Joyce's earrings, "Effective Parenting" tapes, watch, Giles' dict. stand, Jenny's circle-chain belt. "Think of something cool, tell him I said it."-Buffy,PG - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 21:40:08 EST From: DaisyFoo14 Subject: BUFFY: Ted observation I recently watched Ted (along w/ every episode except a few second season ones) (marathons are fun!), and noticed that when the coroners are pulling Ted down the stairs past Buffy, you can hear a little computery-robotic gurgle/squeak. I only noticed it the second time, after I knew he was a computer. Nice touch! (If it was really there and I'm not hearing things...........can someone verify that it wasn't just my possibly messed up tape, and it was an intentional sound effect?) Thanks a bunch! (I love noticing these things!) Alli T:DaisyFoo14@aol.com-GASPer-Keeper: C's cell phone,sparkle purse, light blue silk dress, X's Tweety Bird watch,Scooby Doo Shirt, robe in trash, newspaper @ Bronze, B's pur-pink lamp,green sunglasses,suitcases, W's light blue rolly hat, maroon quarterback shirt, Joyce's earrings, "Effective Parenting" tapes, watch, Giles' dict. stand, Jenny's circle-chain belt. "Think of something cool, tell him I said it."-Buffy,PG - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 23:14:24 EST From: deathsfury@juno.com (J. BLACKSTONE) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Angel & Buffy - What's so wrong with it.... There is nothing wrong with being 17 and a VIRGIN. Girls don't suffer from as strong a surge of hormones or urge to have sex until their twenties. Hell there are girls out there who are in their thirties and still virgins. They are a minority, a damn small percentage. Here's a statistic so interesting that I remember it from college in 1992. Percentage of female virgins in the population by age. 18 year olds-2% of total population of 18 yr old girls 19-24 1% " " 25-29 .5% 30-40 .25 % 41+ .125 what the numbers mean: there are only a few thousand virgins to begin with and their numbers are cut in half as you go to the older age bracket. So Buffy could further sustain her outcast "different" status by remaining a virgin, because as you say everyone else is doing it. I for one wouldn't want Buffy to become common. J. B. I >don't >think it's so wrong, after all, most teenagers these days are having >sex >regularly from 13 on. She's almost 17 for gosh sakes!!!!! Any >thoughts, or am I just being the only openminded one here? > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >- > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 01:07:49 -0500 From: Ryan Harrington Subject: BUFFY: Buffy themes What was the address for the page with like 8 themes for buffy? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 03:07:23 EST From: Kemilla Subject: Re: BUFFY: watcher and handbook << Interesting vampire connection: Donald Sutherland played Buffy's watcher in the movie, and Donald's son Keifer played a vampre in "Lost Boys". Len R. >> Or how about this one..Donald Sutherland plays Buffy's watcher in the movie, Kristine (name?) Sutherland plays Buffy's mom on tv.... I'm kinda reaching there, huh? - -alissa - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 03:01:41 EST From: Kemilla Subject: Re: BUFFY: watcher and handbook >>Wow... I didn't notice that! Maybe it was supposed to be sort of like the movie... or maybe it was a coincidence. Wait a sec... in "School Hard" the principal mentioned burning down the gym. I think I missed that episode (where she burnt down the gym), if there was one. What happened here?>>> In the very first episode, they mentioned that she burned down her gym, Buffy said "Well it was full of vam-rats, very large rats." (i think). and there have been a few other references to her burning down the gym. - -alissa - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 03:13:03 EST From: Kemilla Subject: Re: BUFFY: Thoughts on Angel Episode When I started watching Buffy in the 2nd season, I already knew that Angel was a vampire..but I'm kind of curious about something. If you had seen the show from the very beginnig, before the "Angel" episode did you figure out right away that Angel was a vampire.? - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 03:42:26 EST From: Kemilla Subject: Re: BUFFY: maybe a spoiler << We've had numerous discussions about this topic, and I can't remember why, but we did come to the conclusion that Angel can perform in bed when he wishes to >> he was talking to Spike about how to please Dru in bed in WML2....... - -alissa - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 03:46:17 EST From: Kemilla Subject: Re: BUFFY: angel + air << I personally think this is entirely false. I mean its already been proven by spike smoking that vamps can breathe. They don't have to, but they can.>> In "Prophecy Girl", Angel COULD NOT save Buffy's life by giving her mouth-to- mouth because as he said, he has no air, he does not breath. And I'm sure he would have liked to save her life....its either it's an inconsistency in the show, or maybe there is someway to blow smoke without breathing...?? - -alissa - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 04:22:22 -0500 From: "Lisa and Jeff Fournier" Subject: Re: BUFFY: angel + air > its either it's an inconsistency in the show, or maybe there is someway to blow smoke without >breathing...?? > > -alissa Well, vamps do breathe if you define breathing as "the mechanical motion of the diaphragm and therefore air in and out of the lungs". We know they can do this as desired, because they are able to speak, and in Spike's case smoke. They could also probably play wind instruments if they wanted to. However, if you define breathing as "using the lungs to inhale oxygen, transmit it to the blood, and exhale carbon dioxide excreted from the blood", then no, vamps do not breathe. If Angel did this, then he would have been able to give Buffy CPR. Also, it is my understanding that vamps (and I know this may not be true of Buffyverse vamps) need to drink blood because they can't reoxygenate and "re-use" blood by breathing like we living folks can. Ayma GASPer, Keeper of Giles' Coat Rack Lisa M. Fournier ayma@infinet.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 07:25:23 -0800 From: lrous@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: angel + sex I like to refer to the 'purists' in vampire literature for hypothetical situation. In Chelsea Quinn Yarbro's vampire novels -- I think she's written about 15 of them concerning Le Comte de Saint Germain and his friends -- her definitive answer is that male vampires are unable to have conventional sex and derive 'satisfaction' from the blood and the emotion of their partner; female vampires can still have sex. - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V1 #531 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)