From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #140 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Thursday, February 26 1998 Volume 02 : Number 140 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: PASSION BUFFY: Is Kendra a slayer? Re: BUFFY: Is Kendra a slayer? BUFFY: Is Kendra a slayer? -Reply Re: BUFFY: (Passion Spoilers) Fingerprints Re: BUFFY: Passion Possible Ending Re: BUFFY: Is Kendra a slayer? Re: BUFFY: (Passion Spoilers) Fingerprints -Reply BUFFY: Buffy the Vampire Slayer Poster!!! Re: BUFFY: Bringing Jenny back Re: BUFFY: Re: Jenny Come Back & Possible Speculation Re: BUFFY: episode names Re: BUFFY: Killer episode!! Re: BUFFY: Killer episode!! Re: BUFFY: OZ BUFFY: Watcher BUFFY: Editing in Passion & Getting around the spoilers RE: BUFFY: Bringing Jenny back BUFFY: Evil Trio BUFFY: ciabo matto Re: BUFFY: ciabo matto BUFFY: Re: Angel/Angelus BUFFY: Telephone Call Re: BUFFY: cibo matto BUFFY: Jenny ... Lost Forever ... Re: BUFFY:Killer Episode! Re: BUFFY: NOT joining the mob,Reruns,+computers Re: BUFFY: ciabo matto BUFFY: Angel's soul Re: BUFFY: Answer to Angel in Giles' Apartment See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:06:38 EST From: Vendeta 26 Subject: Re: BUFFY: PASSION In a message dated 2/26/98 7:17:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, Allegra@rice.edu writes: << as Giles said, trying to intimidate and psychologically wound Buffy before their (inevitable) battle. >> That is what i meant with the confrontation line =) Vendeta26@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:06:15 -0700 From: Annie Weyand Subject: BUFFY: Is Kendra a slayer? Okay, guys, I'm still having a problem understanding why you don't think Kendra is a slayer. Yes, I know that there is supposed to be only one for each generation, but Kendra definitely was called when Buffy died. I don't think that you can revoke slayer-ship. Besides, Buffy even acknowledges her as the slayer. . ."Two slayers, no waiting." What does everyone think? Annie - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:21:05 EST From: Vendeta 26 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Is Kendra a slayer? In a message dated 2/26/98 2:10:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, Allegra@rice.edu writes: << Yes, I know that there is supposed to be only one for each generation, but Kendra definitely was called when Buffy died. I don't think that you can revoke slayer-ship >> Lets put it this way, Technical Kendra can't be THE Slayer, because Buffy is THE Slayer, but Kendra is still, and always will be the next in line, so for right now she's the Slayer in waiting, and a Vampire hunter. Vendeta26@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:20:31 -0600 From: Kasey Thompson Subject: BUFFY: Is Kendra a slayer? -Reply I think you're right, Annie. I can't see any reason why someone would think she isn't a slayer and believe that they will call her back periodically. Kasey Kasey.Thompson@email.swmed.edu >>> Annie Weyand 02/26/98 05:06pm >>> Okay, guys, I'm still having a problem understanding why you don't think Kendra is a slayer...Besides, Buffy even acknowledges her as the slayer. . ."Two slayers, no waiting." What does everyone think? Annie - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:17:35 -0500 From: "Charlotte Veazie" Subject: Re: BUFFY: (Passion Spoilers) Fingerprints >>>BTW, he killed Ms. Calendar. His fingerprints have to be all over. Why not have the police jail him? <<<< I haven't taken forensics, but I think there are very few situations in which (another person's) finger prints can be left on a body. Angel's prints may have been on the champagn bottle, but so were Giles'. Moreover latent prints of his could have been left behind from when he was good, which would pretty much get him off legally-speaking. In any case unless Angel's prints are previously on file, they won't match up against anything; they would just be one in a thousand or more at the school, and one in a dozen or more unidentified sales-people, movers, etc. as well as the scooby-gang at Giles'. OTOH if his prints are on file, I would hate to be the junior officer having to report it: "Well, ahh, sir, there was *one* match...from a murder scene 100 years ago..." calling Scully and Mulder... - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:21:01 -0500 From: "Charlotte Veazie" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Passion Possible Ending >>>Everyone remember how we get Spike's power back? Right!!!! The ritual with his Sire,<,<<< Regardless of who his Sire is, I thought there was something about the ritual having to take place on some very specific kind of night? BTW I interpretted that comment the same way. . . - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:33:55 -0500 From: gibb@monisys.ca Subject: Re: BUFFY: Is Kendra a slayer? Annie Weyand wrote: > Okay, guys, I'm still having a problem understanding why you don't > think Kendra is a slayer. Kendra was called ONLY when it was thought that buffy died. In Giles' book, the Codex, it was Buffy's destiny to be killed by the master. Giles told Angel that everything that was in this book always comes to pass and even though Buffy had defied prophecies before, the Codex was never wrong.. With this in mind....after Buffy was killed by the master, the next slayer was called....without anyone knowing that Buffy defied the prophecy of the Codex. Once it was determined that Buffy wasnt dead, Kendra was sent back to her watcher because she was no longer needed due to the fact that buffy was still alive... If Kendra was the slayer too, it would be kinda silly to have to hear "In every generation there is a slayer..ONE girl in all the world....." - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:28:23 -0600 From: Kasey Thompson Subject: Re: BUFFY: (Passion Spoilers) Fingerprints -Reply There also was a lot of evidence at the school. My guess is that they would know where the murder actually happened. Kasey >>> Charlotte Veazie 02/26/98 04:17pm >>> >>>BTW, he killed Ms. Calendar. His fingerprints have to be all over. Why not have the police jail him? <<<< I haven't taken forensics, but I think there are very few situations in which (another person's) finger prints can be left on a body. Angel's prints may have been on the champagn bottle, but so were Giles'. Moreover latent prints of his could have been left behind from when he was good, which would pretty much get him off legally-speaking. In any case unless Angel's prints are previously on file, they won't match up against anything; they would just be one in a thousand or more at the school, and one in a dozen or more unidentified sales-people, movers, etc. as well as the scooby-gang at Giles'. OTOH if his prints are on file, I would hate to be the junior officer having to report it: "Well, ahh, sir, there was *one* match...from a murder scene 100 years ago..." calling Scully and Mulder... - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:29:48 EST From: fun-ee@juno.com (fu nee) Subject: BUFFY: Buffy the Vampire Slayer Poster!!! Hello, Everyone! Kathy Repholz of the American Library Association (ALA) just called to inform me that there will be a Buffy the Vampire Slayer READ poster available to the public this Spring. I imagine this new ALA catalog will also feature BtVS bookmarkers! You can be put on the catalog mailing list for free by calling the ALA at 1-800-545-2433. As many of you may recall, some of us longtime subscribers to this list initiated the idea of getting this poster made and conveyed our ideas to Ms. Repholz and Scott Woodard of Warner Brothers publicity. Well, I'm glad WB sent the photos to Kathy! Now, as for a preview description of the poster: The photo Kathy eventually used was of the entire cast in front of a cemetary vault. She said that Giles is featured prominently although to my disappointment, no one is holding a book and I wish they could have used a photo featuring the entire cast in the school library. Kathy said the ALA's funds are severely limited so my suggestion of taking a library picture of a local library and superimposing the cast photo on top of that would not be possible. What surprised me about the conversation with Kathy was her surprise learning that many librarians are fans of BtVS and that they, like me and many others, feel that the use of Rupert Giles as an actor who portrays a librarian on tv is the most appropriate spokesman/poster model one could hope for. If you think about it, doesn't it make sense that BtVS, more than any other tv show in history, shows the power and beauty of learning/reading/research/study/education as an aid in discovering truth and conquering the dark forces of ignorance and evil? Well, we can look forward to the poster! Prices should be in the $9 range for the poster and around $6 for a 100 pack of bookmarks. funee _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:51:14 PST From: "Homey A" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Bringing Jenny back >can't see how Joss could possibly bring her back without being >completely cheesball. I think that anything can happen. It's the type of show that can do that bring her back, without completely twisting the plot. Homey A ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:54:45 -0500 From: "Mary L. Osif" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Jenny Come Back & Possible Speculation >Buffy and Angel to make sure that Angel still suffers....I didnt know that Jenny was >Angel's "watcher".....I thought a watcher was a slayer thing... Well, someone correct me if I'm wrong (in which case I'm REALLY sorry and am hanging my head in shame), but I thought that in either *Surprise* or *Innocence* Ms. Calendar said that she was sent to watch Angel. Not just the relationship between he and Buffy. Mary Pennsylvania beans@csrlink.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:03:27 -0600 From: "Wile E. Coyote" Subject: Re: BUFFY: episode names >1 - which episode was the valentine one (ex: episode 24) Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered >2 - what was the episode name when those guys (including Giles) had the mark >of Eyghon or Igon (however you spell it) and what # was that? The Dark Age >3 - what was the episode called and what # was the last one (when Jenny died) Passion lazarus@execpc.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:03:59 -0500 From: "Charlotte Veazie" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Killer episode!! >>>>First, Angel threw the computer on the ground then it caught on fire. How did it catch on fire? <<<< This is the third law of sci-fi thermodynamics: all mechanical and electrical devices spontaneously combust upon receiving any damage. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:11:50 -0500 (EST) From: JW IV Subject: Re: BUFFY: Killer episode!! On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Charlotte Veazie wrote: > > This is the third law of sci-fi thermodynamics: all mechanical and > electrical devices spontaneously combust upon receiving any damage. It's not impossible when something shorts out to have it catch on fire. I've done it to a monitor before. Josh - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:09:24 -0500 From: "Charlotte Veazie" Subject: Re: BUFFY: OZ bandr@impulse.net >>>>Would have been nice to see him die too. Its totally unrealistic they would let a werewolf live. All the innocent lives Oz destroys will be Buffy and Giles' fault for not killing him when they had the chance. <<<< This assumes werewolves are inherently evil and murderous; so far all he's done is tear things up and scare people. We only have the great white hunter-wannabe's word that they are really murderous creatures, which not only justified his actions but also seems to reflect the European-U.S. bias against wolves in general... Charlotte, staunch defender of wolves and werewolves bandr@impulse.net on 02/26/98 05:17:11 AM Please respond to bandr@impulse.net To: buffy@xmission.com cc: (bcc: Charlotte Veazie/LAW/Pru) Subject: Re: BUFFY: OZ > Who is SSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Mad that Oz wasn't in Passion! - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:16:04 -0400 From: Katharine_Zandy@fc.choate.edu (Katharine Zandy) Subject: BUFFY: Watcher Ok, I think the problem here lies in people interpreting the word "watch" differently. In the Slayer sense, Giles is Buffy's "Watcher," which is a title, not an adjective. He doesn't watch Buffy really - he's more of a mentor. Whereas, Jenny was sent to watch Angel in the literal sense - she was supposed to actually observe him. Katy Keeper of Buffy's Birthday and the way Buffy smiles at Angel - ------------------------------------------------------ This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway. From: Choate Rosemary Hall 333 Christian St. Wallingford, CT. 06492 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:34:48 -0500 From: "JW" Subject: BUFFY: Editing in Passion & Getting around the spoilers Below I am going to talk about the editing of Jenny's death scene and how it may relate to some of the so called spoilers that came out a couple of weeks ago about the last couple of episodes. Those spoilers weren't suppose to be true and I only touch on them slightly but I wanted to warn you ahead of time last chance I found Jenny's death scene interesting; why not just bite her. That is what vamps do, drink others blood. I found myself rewatching the scene and I wondered if it had been edited due in large part because of the spoilers that were released a few weeks ago. Angel grabs onto Jenny's neck and turns it hard, we cut away to a shot of them far off, we hear a breaking sound and he drops her to the ground. I just felt the way it was cut, it is possible that originally he did bite her, and they just cut that out and added the breaking sound. Why would they do it, first they do have something planned that involves the spoilers of Jenny returning in another form or two the spoilers ticked them off and they didn't want to give it any credence by letting the possibility exist she might return. As you can see I have been studying it way to much. JW GASP Keeper "The Ripper" nickname Keeper Xander's Elvis bust "Buffy for the love of God don't open that raincoat" Xander BBB - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:36:09 -0800 From: "Sai Wong (Exchange)" Subject: RE: BUFFY: Bringing Jenny back > >can't see how Joss could possibly bring her back without being > >completely cheesball. [Sai Wong (Exchange)] Well they killed off Buffy at the end of the first season and brought her back to life. If you through that was cheesy, then we wouldn't have a series anymore. Sai - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:30:49 +0000 From: vxdarlaxv@juno.com (Darla Love) Subject: BUFFY: Evil Trio I truly despise Dru now. She was so much better when she was meeker and Spike was in charge *oh how I miss those days* I was so ready to throw up over " Oh you two boys fighting over little ole me." Com'n Joss .. We need a new female Vampire character ! I believe Spikey is getting better ... he showed he had enough strength and jealously to smack Angelus. I must say it was a very deserving smack ... Dru is Spike's ... the thought of Angelus and Dru together makes me sick to my stomach ... let Spike deal with her whining ... Angelus needs a *mentally* stronger companion ... Damn I wish Angelus had "tagged" Dru to fight ... I want to see if she can ... O0o0O I can see it now .. a match up ... Buffy the Slayer Vs Drusilla the Vampire ... I dislike Buffy a whole lot less so I'd root for her ... and after watching her with Angel ( the rope around his neck and the bars ~ ouchie ) ... or a fight where there are no winners would also work for me ... a new slayer .. a new female vampire ... i'm seeing possibilities here ... Another match up I have heard people talking about is ... Angelus aka Angel Vs. Spike aka William the Bloody ... My bets on Angelus ... Spike hasn't regained all his strength .. but when he does ... i have no doubt Angelus will come out of the rink with many bruises and welts ... Darla Keeper of Darla's Lust for Angelus !~ Dawson's Creek Co-List Owner ~! !~ Join the DawsonsCreekMailingList ~! !~ www.coollist.com Listname: dawsonscreek ~! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:46:56 -0600 (CST) From: Neil Carnahan Subject: BUFFY: ciabo matto i'm sure i didn't spell "ciabo matto" right, but does anyone know the name of the song they played in "when she was bad"? the one during the dance with xander. neil nac6725@griffon.mwsc.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:15:20 EST From: Tanjelli Subject: Re: BUFFY: ciabo matto In a message dated 98-02-26 18:50:11 EST, you write: << does anyone know the name of the song they played in "when she was bad"? >> sugar water tanj - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:38:16 -0500 From: Melanie Hoover Subject: BUFFY: Re: Angel/Angelus Mia McDavid wrote: Aly delivered one great performance right there ... Her reaction was perfect ... Was it me or did Aly show more emotion than Buffy over the phone call ? because when Buffy was on the phone with Giles .. i didn't feel anything .. it might be the slight fact that Buffy isn't exactly my favorite character ... Darla Keeper of Darla's Lust for Angelus !~ Dawson's Creek Co-List Owner ~! !~ Join the DawsonsCreekMailingList ~! !~ www.coollist.com Listname: dawsonscreek ~! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:04:07 +0000 From: vxdarlaxv@juno.com (Darla Love) Subject: Re: BUFFY: cibo matto only one 'a' in cibo matto ... I believe that is one song with major posibilities of being on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Soundtrack when it comes out ... Some people say it's coming out in the Spring ... others say its still has to recieve the permission of the bands ... so there is no definate date for when it comes out ... Darla Keeper of Darla's Lust for Angelus !~ Dawson's Creek Co-List Owner ~! !~ Join the DawsonsCreekMailingList ~! !~ www.coollist.com Listname: dawsonscreek ~! >i'm sure i didn't spell "ciabo matto" right, but does anyone know the name >of the song they played in "when she was bad"? the one during the dance >with xander. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:28:28 +0000 From: vxdarlaxv@juno.com (Darla Love) Subject: BUFFY: Jenny ... Lost Forever ... Name: Jennifer Calender ... " Call me Jenny ... Mrs. Calender is my mother " Janna Calderash I was expecting a more elaborate tombstone ... knowing how book wormish Giles is I assumed he would pick an appropriate poem to have engraved along side her full name. Didn't Giles have a Welcome mat ? ... thats my theory of how Angelus was able to enter Giles' apartment ... but that puts so many people in danger ... that was so sad how Giles found Jenny ... he was so expecting a romantic night ... not a homicide ... i was like begging Giles not to go upstairs ... *yup i talk to my tv* ... i must say Angelus is pretty romantic ... except for the dead girlfriend in the bed part ... the beautiful long stemed roses and rose petals on the staircase ... the champange in an ice bucket ... the beautiful drawings ... Why is everyone talking about ways to bring Jenny back ... com'n people she is dead ... It's not that I don't have compassion ... its just Angelus broke her neck ... okay sure they are on top of the Hellmouth but that means nothing with a broken neck ! lets just face it : Jenny is dead ... and there is no way of her coming back unless it is in dreams ... there is no possible way of her coming back without making it look stupid ... Darla Keeper of Darla's Lust for Angelus !~ Dawson's Creek Co-List Owner ~! !~ Join the DawsonsCreekMailingList ~! !~ www.coollist.com Listname: dawsonscreek ~! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:01:09 +0000 From: skitblink@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY:Killer Episode! > This is the third law of sci-fi thermodynamics: all mechanical and > electrical devices spontaneously combust upon receiving any damage. Also, (this is kinda stupid but its been bugging me) a person is brutally murdered, and her computer is smashed to bits, spontaneously bursts into flames, and is surrounded by burnt bits of a ripped up document, and noone thought that that was strange or that the computer had something to do with it? Desiree Herrera skitblink@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:45:29 +0000 From: skitblink@juno.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: NOT joining the mob,Reruns,+computers Ok, I didn't want to say anything else about the lynch-mob thing but I couldn't resist(last time I hope)- Reasons why the lynch mob should put away their stakes! 1. Xander possesed in "The Pack" Bloodthirsty! Would of killed Flutie with the rest of them had he been there. 2. "Bad Eggs"- Giles attacks Buffy, Cordelia attacks her, and Willow tells people to kill her. 3. Oz the werewolf- In "Phases" he spends a lot of his werewold time trying to attack people. My point being that all of them were possessed by forces beyong their control, and would have killed if they had gotten the chance. Just because they didn't succeed and Angelous did makes him worthy to be killed and not them? That doesn't make sense! Also on two things people said: >> The series bowed on the WB in March. Ok, this is really disturbing me...."bow out" is to leave... That is not what they're talking about is it?!?! (About Angel's soul:) >> Is it just a holding pattern until new bodies become available? but then when his soul returned for the first time, what happened to its new body? And wouldn't he have memories? (btw Cigany i really liked your soul definition. Made lots of sense) ok, sorry if that was long! Desiree Herrera skitblink@juno.com Xander: "Angel, Angel, Angel. Does every conversation we have have to come around to that freak? Hey, man, how ya' doin'?" _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:07:32 EST From: Vendeta 26 Subject: Re: BUFFY: ciabo matto In a message dated 2/26/98 3:49:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, nac6725@griffon.mwsc.edu writes: << does anyone know the name of the song they played in "when she was bad"? the one during the dance with xander. >> It called Sugar Water, and the bands name is spelled Cibo Matto Here is a Bio Addy: http://www.billions.com/cibo/bio.htm Vendeta26@aol.com PS: Yay I finally found a wav of that song =) Now i just need to find an MP3 - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:06:00 -0500 (EST) From: "D. Hine" Subject: BUFFY: Angel's soul There has been a lot of talk lately that in the wonderful world of Buffy losing your soul is equivalent to losing your conscience. I don't think, however, that simply not feeling guilty about your actions is the same as wanting to destroy, kill and cause pain to all the people around you. When Angel lost his soul, he lost who he essential was. I mean, Angel was a character that would have willingly given his life for Buffy. Not because his conscience told him it was the right thing to do but because he loved her. So, I really don't think Angel can be held accountable for Jenny's death if his soul is returned. It wasn't really him who killed her. Darcy - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:24:56 -0700 From: David Simpson Subject: Re: BUFFY: Answer to Angel in Giles' Apartment On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, Jack Welsh wrote: <> There are a lot of things that we have never seen or heard on the show. We have never seen or heard Xander's parents. Sure, Willow has made reference to them, and supposedly in the round robin he called and talked to his Mom - but did he really? We have heard but not seen Willow's Mom, but her Dad - nowhere to be seen. Again, she made reference to him by name in Passion - but does he really exist? Cordelia - she has made references to her Mom and Dad both, but they are totally unseen. And Oz - he has an aunt he can call on the phone, but where are his parents? Hmm?? Well! We have had 12 episodes of the first season and 17 episodes of the second season that we have seen, for a total of 29 episodes, each one running a little under 3/4 hour long. We have thus seen almost 22 hours in the life of Buffy and her friends. The series time frame has covered over a year in Sunnydale. If we round the 22 hours to 1 day, and the over a year to 1 year, the total time we have seen of the characters in Buffy is about 0.3% of the total elapsed time that has occurred. The characters must be doing a lot of things that we do not see but that must be occurring, just like all of us do in our own lives. I talk about my family to my co-workers, and about my co-workers to my family, but mostly neither group has seen the other recently. Do they assume that since they do not see the other group that it does not really exist? No, they accept that I know them and that therefore each group really exists. (Assuming, of course, that I can be trusted.) I think the easiest thing for us as fans to do is go with what we do see and the implications of what those things mean. If we find Jenny's dead body left in Giles' apartment by Angel, then we must assume that Giles has invited Angel in at some time in the past. We must do so to be consistent with the rules of the Buffyverse. If the kids make reference to their parents, then I think we can make the assumption that they do have parents, even if we have not seen them. It is much easier to accept than the alternative that there are no parents existing unless we actually have a scene where we can see them. Some things on the show are ambivalent and can be speculated about, such as how much the police and Snyder know about what is going on. Other things, such as whether Jenny will return as a vampire, seem to be non-ambivalent. After all, Angel broke her neck and killed her. As Buffy said, "To make a vampire they have to suck your blood. And then you have to suck their blood. It's like a whole big sucking thing." And we had no sucking here. Anyway, let's all enjoy the show for what it is, a very entertaining hour of television with characters we know and love. - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #140 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. 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