From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #143 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Friday, February 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 143 In this issue: BUFFY: Passion: A Report From The Minority Re: BUFFY: End of Season Speculation (my view) Re[2]: BUFFY: NOT joining the mob,Reruns,+computers BUFFY: PETW Site?? Re: BUFFY: Re: Jenny come back! Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz in MW BUFFY: RE: Report from the minority (Passion) Re: BUFFY: My idea on how to resolve the Angel/Ms Calender p RE: BUFFY: My idea on how to resolve the Angel/Ms Calender p Re: BUFFY: Wild Dingies Ate my Baby song BUFFY: Re: Buffy who dies in passion? Re: BUFFY: Passion Problem (PP) BUFFY: Angel is evil now(Passion) Re: BUFFY: The Ghost and Mr. Giles BUFFY: Seeking Buffy Lists, Ezines and Newsletters, and Webrings BUFFY: No lynch mobber BUFFY: The File (Mailing Lists and Such) BUFFY: Re: Jenny come back! BUFFY: Content-Type: text/plain Re: Re: BUFFY: Bringing Jenny back Re: BUFFY: Re: Jenny Come Back & Possible Speculation Re: BUFFY: Re: Brian Thompson [Fwd: BUFFY: My idea on how to resolve the Angel/Ms Calender problem] BUFFY: Passion/Obsession/Possession BUFFY: Buffy on EW Cover Re: [Fwd: BUFFY: My idea on how to resolve the Angel/Ms Calender problem] BUFFY: Angel See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:41:11 -0500 (EST) From: maxvl@iname.com Subject: BUFFY: Passion: A Report From The Minority Sai Wong (Exchange) wrote: >I was expecting another great episode like "Surprise" >and "Innocence" but was left disappointed. >I should have liked this episode (alot of list members >liked it) but it seemed to lack that certain >*something*, but I can't pin point what it is. Thanks for your comment; I was beginning to think that I was the only one who was disappointed. Sure it had an abundance of incidents that should have stirred my emotions, we all know what they are. But their execution did not draw the expected emotions from me. I think that Joss outlined a great emotional story, but the team that added the details somehow missed the mark and the ep fell flat. I blame the writing mostly. All of thecharacterization of the Slayer's Crew were slightly off mark, slightly retrograde, like the writers had not been watching the show for several months. For example, Cordie seemed to be reset to the end of last season, having lost the warmth that she gained this year. Trading her vamp-vulnerable car with her grandma fit last year's Cordie, not this year's. Xander was strident, not witty, almost as if he were a male version of Cordie. They were both lucky that Buffy didn't deck them for what they said. Buffy did deck Giles, which he needed, because he let his emotions run away with him. This was an interesting reversal for Buffy and Giles, B having to become the teacher momentarily. But even that scene was retrograde. B slugged him, as if she had learned nothing from the Ted experience. She is the Slayer, she can't go around clobbering humans that she does not want to damage permanently. A slap would have been appropriate -- not a girly-girl slap, a Slayer slap. It would have put him down and woke him up, instead of giving him a concussion. (On the other hand, retro-Willow really shined in this ep. Probably a good thing that Oz was chained in the basement.) Has anyone pointed out that killing Jenny was not an event that Angelus had planned. Not at this time, at least. The killing was a reaction to the pang-packet that Dru received from the Dark Side. Jenny had to be killed, right then, because she had found The Secret. I don't want to speculate in this forum what A's plans were -- something more than driving B crazy, I think -- but the fact that they have been disrupted by this event will ultimately be to the Slayer Crew's benefit. Finally, all the Angel-stakers should realize that ANGELUS IS NOT ANGEL. We all forgave Angel for the cruel things that Angelus had done to the Gypsy girl, and to Dru, and we'll do it again IF somebody finds the lost diskette and brings Angel back, and Angel happens to somehow save everybody in the Buffyverse from unspeakable evil. (Or maybe not. We didn't know about the puppy-thing before.) ====================================================== MaxVL (maxvl@iname.com) LoreSharer of the line that Buffy did NOT say: "You're right Ted, cast iron _does_ make all the difference..." - ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:41:32 EST From: BLS7877 Subject: Re: BUFFY: End of Season Speculation (my view) In a message dated 98-02-27 00:25:51 EST, Raininfire@aol.com wrote: << Spike, being jealous and suspicious of Angelus and Dru's lusty relationship, arranges Angelus' staking (fails) and then stakes Dru in a fit of rage. We all know the Spike of the past wouldn't harm Dru. (In "Lie To Me" he let people go to save Dru). However, in a plot to "slay two vamps with one stake", (LOL!) Buffy uses slayer psychology to convince Spike that Dru's been wearing the Scarlet Letter, making him angry enough to turn her to vamp dust. He's left vunerable and is slayed without putting up much of a fight. What do you all think? >> I like all of it but the losing Spike part. Not only would I hate to lose Spike, but I can only imagine the evil he could do after Dru is dust. I would enjoy a season of that no end. Unlike the Master, who I really couldn't tolerate, Spike is hilarious to watch, and is given some of the best sarcastic lines on the show. Thanks BL - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:46:34 -0600 From: Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com Subject: Re[2]: BUFFY: NOT joining the mob,Reruns,+computers "The series bowed" means it had its debut--a year ago! Do you guys realize it's only been a YEAR??? Geez. Mia Member WPWP Keeper of the Opening Wolf Howl I *LOVE* this show! - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:58:55 -0500 From: "Quark's Latinum Lady" Subject: BUFFY: PETW Site?? Just wondering if Scott (it *was* Scott who might be doing this, wasn't it?) is or is going to make the People for the Ethical Treatment of Werewolves website? Jennifer (a.k.a. Quark's Latinum Lady) pirateq@ix.netcom.com http://www.walrus.com/~quark/ Member: O.A.S.I.S. (Official Armin Shimerman Information Service); Goddesses of the Internet, Inc.; Bitches & Witches, Inc.; People for the Ethical Treatment of Werewolves Visit my rant and bitching page: Life's a Bitch! http://www.walrus.com/~quark/bitch/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:01:08 EST From: BLS7877 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Jenny come back! In a message dated 98-02-27 03:51:02 EST, cybrpaws@wco.com wrote: << Hey, neither did Brian Thompson (Luke)! This show is too darn much fun I guess. >> But with Luke, who I just love, he can be brought back in any number of ways. He was just the Judge here recently, and with more make-up can be brought back again. Though typecasting is overbearing at times, I would love to see Luke on the show, as a person, never to be bad, but as a helper, maybe Rom, he's got the heavy features sometimes associated with them. OOH, a thought. If Rom, maybe he was Jenna's betrothed, waiting for her to return to the tribe. He joins the Stake Pack as a tribute to his lost love. After some initial tension, he and Giles can work together. I like this idea. It is so out of character for him after Buffy, and Kindred: the embraced, I think it would work. After all, wouldn't we all be waiting with baited breath for him to go bad, even if he didn't. Let me know what you all think BL - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:30:52 PST From: "Mz. Gwyn" Subject: Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz in MW Wildhorse wrote: <> David was born on May 16, 1971 (one day older than me, I might add) Mz. Gwyn My World: http://www.geocities.com/~mistressgwyn The B Zone http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/8961 "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever, but get over it." Cordy (WSWB)(Offical Keeper) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:38:02 EST From: Smellcore Subject: BUFFY: RE: Report from the minority (Passion) In a message dated 2/27/98 4:46:03 PM, you wrote: <> You're not. I was annoyed by the whole ep. I did enjoy the death of Ms. Calendar *laugh*. But the rest just seemed like they were trying to get across how evil Angel really is now. *sigh* I thought we already knew that. David is a decent actor but when he's playing evil Angel it just doesn't feel right. It's like he's pretending to be bad or something. You know what I mean? It's just not believable. Hence all the confusion in the voice overs as to whether it was Angel (evil) or his soul talking. My bet goes with the latter though I can understand why other people would think it was the former. Kelly (smellcore@aol.com) "Every finger in the room is pointing at me. I wanna spit in their faces but then I get afraid of what that could bring." "Crucify" Tori Amos - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 11:38:20 -0600 From: Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: My idea on how to resolve the Angel/Ms Calender p Ahhh, the time paradox! In Sai Wong's scenario, Jenny is knocked unconscious before she can create the disk. But it exists because the other Jenny, the one who died, created it. Question: How does Willow, then Giles, know about the Orb? Mia Member WPWP Keeper of the Opening Wolf Howl I *LOVE* this show! - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:00:57 -0800 From: "Sai Wong (Exchange)" Subject: RE: BUFFY: My idea on how to resolve the Angel/Ms Calender p > Question: How does Willow, then Giles, know about the Orb? [Sai Wong (Exchange)] The information on the disk instructs the person to use the Orb to restore Angels soul Sai - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:03:12 -0600 From: Anime Nut Subject: Re: BUFFY: Wild Dingies Ate my Baby song At 11:31 AM 2/26/98 PST, noname 7 wrote: >groupie" , & Xander gives her this look, but well, it sounds just like >Devon singing, so are they a real band? or something? Fact attack! The name of the song you heard in both shows is "Pain". It's by a group called Four Star Mary. Now, your statement "sounds just like Devon singing" is a paradox in itself, since the actor playing Devon isn't singing at all during the Dingoes Ate My Baby performances. The voice you hear actually belongs to Buddy Chanda, lead singer of Four Star Mary. They agreed to perform the songs for the fictional band you see on BTVS. Now, if you'd like to find their music in record stores, forget it. They only have a promotional CD out, which means you can't get it through retailers. Cross your fingers for an official Buffy soundtrack! I've got mine crossed for two: one with the songs, and one with the musical score. Cheers, Anime Nut ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) Alan "Anime Nut" Hufana ahufan1@uic.edu Keeper of Willow's Chewed-up Pen The Al-Files at http://www2.uic.edu/~ahufan1 Domain of the Slain at http://www2.uic.edu/~ahufan1/btvs - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:11:22 -0500 (EST) From: cn2759@coastalnet.com (JW) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Buffy who dies in passion? >If Ang really wanted to torment Buffy, Ms. C should have been left alone. Both to >remind his targets of the past and how the "gypsies" who "made" Ang nice infiltrated >the Slayer's "camp" so easily. Ang, at least, should have waited until Buffy and >Giles forgave Jenny before turning her head. But, Angel didn't really choose Jenny just to torment Buffy. He killed her because she was close to find the answer to restore his soul. That is the main reason he killed her, the fact it upset Buffy and the others was just a bonus. Given the way he set up Jenny's body to be found by Giles, he likely didn't know that there was a rift between Jenny and the others. JW GASP "The Ripper" nickname Keeper Xander's Elvis bust - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:11:40 -0500 (EST) From: cn2759@coastalnet.com (JW) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Passion Problem (PP) >>>How did Angel get into Giles's apartment? > Now, I could've sworn that Giles told Willow (when he went to see buffy) > that he was going to go home >and do that whole ritual thing to his house. He did say that, but they should have continued the scene in order to clear up any confusion. They had to know that the legions of fans would go fast forwarding though tape archives and find that Angel was never in Giles house. A simply solution would have been something like below. Giles: I'll go home and do my house tonight Willow: Your house! when did you invite Angel into your house? Giles: Last spring when Angel and Buffy were trying to keep their distance from one another; he came over on a couple of occasions to help translate prophecies of the Codex. Willow: You don't have any fish, do you? Just a little something to say how and when Angel was at Giles apartment, and everything would be cleared up. Because I'm quite sure that there are a number of Buffy fans not online pulling their hair out, trying to remember when Angel might have been at Giles's house. JW GASP Keeper "The Ripper" nickname Keeper Xander's Elvis bust - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:12:46 -0500 (EST) From: cn2759@coastalnet.com (JW) Subject: BUFFY: Angel is evil now(Passion) This is a message in response to alot of the people who are determined to believe that somehow Angel is still able to love Buffy or frankly be anything good. Remember the Judge; "no humanity in this one". Angel is now Angelus, and is a being of pure evil who happens to act with some of Angel traits. Accept it he is a bad guy now, till they find the disk and restore his soul. When he went into Buffy's bedroom he wasn't there to be tender; it was to torment Buffy. He is attempting to do the same thing to Buffy that he did to Dru destroy her a bit at a time. Notice what happen the second night after Angelus was in her room, she didn't sleep all night. Angelus knew exactly what he was doing. The talk with Buffy's mom was nothing more than to cause trouble between Buffy and her Mom. A relationship that Angelus already knows is strained because of Buffy's secrets, so he thought he would damage it even more. That is if he wasn't just playing at it, in order to get inside and kill Joyce. As far as the voice over by Angel goes, I do think it was out of character for what Angelus is now. Perhaps it is suppose to be Angel's soul, it is also just as likely that the narration was just that. They used David's voice for a narrator, and it wasn't meant to be a reflection of his character. JW GASP Keeper"The Ripper" nickname Keeper Xander's Elvis bust - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:32:04 -0800 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: The Ghost and Mr. Giles At 07:16 AM 2/27/98 -0800, Shari (on xmission) wrote: >Now, if she were to come back as a ghost or some sort of spirit, that >would be another thing entirely. That might be kind of cool, actually, >especially if she's learned the error of her ways (as it appeared she >had) and can somehow help Giles & Co. in their efforts You know, I'm really starting to get into this idea! Jenny returns as Giles' ongoing ghost lover. Kinda like Patrick and Demi in "Ghost," except that Giles can see her, touch her (sorta), and she doesn't have to go away anytime soon. She can warn, console, and best of all, *flirt*! Buffy has a vampire boyfriend (well, she *did*, and probably will again), Willow has a werewolf boyfriend, so why can't Rupert have a ghost girlfriend? Perfect for a cerebral guy like Giles. Hey, it's better than having him conjure her back to life and ending up with the "Monkey's Paw" scenario. Now I'm all sad about Jenny again because I just reminded myself of her flirtation with Giles, and how much I'm going to miss that (as will he) unless she comes back somehow. Bring her back, Joss!!! Lisa - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:54:07 -0500 From: "Quark's Latinum Lady" Subject: BUFFY: Seeking Buffy Lists, Ezines and Newsletters, and Webrings I'm keeping a file of the following in relation to Buffy the Vampire Slayer: General Discussion Mailing Lists Character/Actor Mailing Lists Fan Fiction Mailing Lists Other Discussion Groups Ezines and Online Newsletters Webrings If anyone knows of these or runs any, please send info. I already have several, and know of more, but it will be easier for me if the info is sent to me, since I'm also busy with other projects. For instance, I know of but don't have info for the Buffy-Beta Fan Fiction list. I am NOT seeking web pages, with the exception of pages related to the mailing lists, newsletters, and webrings. Nevertheless, IF YOU *DO* HAVE A WEB PAGE OF ANY KIND and wish to link the information at the end of this message, which is the official web page for actor Armin Shimerman ("Principal Snyder"), I will gladly exchange links with you. But, just to be clear, web pages will not be in this particular file unless they relate to the lists, newsletters, and webrings. Thank you! O.A.S.I.S.: The Official Armin Shimerman Homepage http://www.walrus.com/~quark/armin/ The OFFICIAL website for actor Armin Shimerman and his fan club! Biography, online chats, images, announcements, credits, links, and more! Jennifer (a.k.a. Quark's Latinum Lady) pirateq@ix.netcom.com http://www.walrus.com/~quark/ Member: O.A.S.I.S. (Official Armin Shimerman Information Service); Goddesses of the Internet, Inc.; Bitches & Witches, Inc.; People for the Ethical Treatment of Werewolves Visit my rant and bitching page: Life's a Bitch! http://www.walrus.com/~quark/bitch/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:53:36 EST From: Kimmber23 Subject: BUFFY: No lynch mobber I refuse to join this lynch mob. I will remain faithful in my hopes of his return!!!!!!!!!!! And for those of you who stand with me, check out this web site; http://www.wam.umd.edu/~chrystal/ Long live Angel- the real one at least! Kimber - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:58:25 -0500 From: "Quark's Latinum Lady" Subject: BUFFY: The File (Mailing Lists and Such) I forgot to add that I will send anyone who requests it a copy of the file when I have added all that I receive. Thanks. Jennifer (a.k.a. Quark's Latinum Lady) pirateq@ix.netcom.com http://www.walrus.com/~quark/ Member: O.A.S.I.S. (Official Armin Shimerman Information Service); Goddesses of the Internet, Inc.; Bitches & Witches, Inc.; People for the Ethical Treatment of Werewolves Visit my rant and bitching page: Life's a Bitch! http://www.walrus.com/~quark/bitch/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:23:18 EST From: fun-ee@juno.com (fu nee) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Jenny come back! >Lisa Rose did further enlighten and add to my pain: >I can't remember who paraphrased Ty (the writer), but my impression >was that Robia didn't really want to leave the show. Hey, neither >did Brian Thompson (Luke)! This show is too darn much fun I guess. Ok, then. The door is open on that count at least. We all know Robia loves the show and would just 'die' (forgive the pun) to come back. Luke (Brian Thompson) did come back in fact as another character although I forget who. (Someone help me out here.) > >Be careful what you wish for. Remember "The Monkey's Paw"? I always will. The Monkey's Paw is just one idea presented by one author. It is just one of many possibilities. Remember, Joss has still not taken advantage of many other possibilites including devices such as time travel. It could be very plausible if the Slayerettes are able to go back in time to a point previous to Jenny's death preventing certain things from occurring, thereby negating the death of Jenny entirely. Mind you, that's just one idea. In the world of tv anything can happen. And when you talk about the world of tv as created by Joss Whedon, you know it will be done in a very creative, entertaining and *believeable* manner. Well, Lisa, have I fanned the flame of hope in your (and others?) heart that burns brightly for the return of Jenny? You know that deep down inside you ALL miss and want Jenny Calendar back...admit it. And if push came to shove, remember another beloved character, Sherlock Holmes? I sincerely doubt that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle thought that he would be writing about his detective for 30 years after he killed him. funee (who is wondering what a massive 'Bring Back Jenny!' letter writing campaign would do.) funee (: _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:03:53 PST From: "miss hayse" Subject: BUFFY: Content-Type: text/plain Hello my friends. While I have no immediate thoughts on last weeks Buffy (except to mourn the death of a timeless beauty), I do have one question. If the Gypsies knew how to restore souls, why did they not restore the soul of the young dumb girl angel killed? Perhaps his punishment would still stand, but it seems strange that they would not revive the young girls soul after her untimely murder. My only thought is that perhaps in their culture, it would be wrong to revive the dead- that destiny in death was a power too complex to mess with. But then again, maybe there is more to talk about. Who knows. Also- if Angel's soul is ever restored (?!) what will his relationship to Giles be? Terrible, if anything. And has anyone thought that perhaps Jennie was turned into a vamp (judging from Angel's past sense of humor with killing Buffy's friends) ??? I haven't been onlist for a great while, so perhaps these are all mute ideas. But then again, maybe not. (Please email responses with a cc to me directly, since I dont' always get to read all of the digests.) Miss Hayse PS. A big hello to everybody, esp. Lisa, Brian, Jason, and Jesse! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:13:05 -0500 (EST) From: maxvl@iname.com Subject: Re: Re: BUFFY: Bringing Jenny back Tracey wrote: >why did the Romany tribe lose the information that >allowed them to curse Angel in the first place? >It's not like this was 200 years ago, and it's not >like this was useless information. Uh, at the risk of appearing to trivialize something infinitely more serious than this thread, let's remember that the Holocost disrupted the cultural traditions of many groups in Europe, specifically including the Gypsies. =================================================== MaxVL (maxvl@iname.com) LoreSharer of the line that Buffy did NOT say: "You're right Ted, cast iron _does_ make all the difference..." - ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:17:33 -0500 From: Python! Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Jenny Come Back & Possible Speculation > Okay, maybe this has been mentioned (and I'm sorry to bring it back up if >it has), but, now that Ms. Calendar is dead, isn't Angel/Angelus without a >watcher? Maybe they could bring his new watcher into the show somehow. He doesn't need a watcher anymore...remember he is evil.. Even if he does get his soul back...the gypsies wont give it to him...so why would they send him another watcher? ^JeNnY^ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:17:35 -0500 From: "Charlotte Veazie" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Brian Thompson >>>>I like this idea. It is so out of character for him [thompson] after Buffy, and Kindred: the embraced, <<<<< and X-Files and Fright Night II and probably others, I knew I recognized him under all that make-up. He is to horror what Michael Ironside is to Sci-Fi... - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:13:35 -0500 From: tjackson Subject: [Fwd: BUFFY: My idea on how to resolve the Angel/Ms Calender problem] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------215E34CFEBD1F0D3A0EDEA3A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --------------215E34CFEBD1F0D3A0EDEA3A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <34F72BBD.B6353869@ecicnet.org> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:10:22 -0500 From: tjackson Reply-To: tjackson@ecicnet.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sai Wong (Exchange)" Subject: Re: BUFFY: My idea on how to resolve the Angel/Ms Calender problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the orb is supposed to restore a soul, then why not have Willow restore Jenny's soul at the same time she does Angel's. Sai Wong (Exchange) wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Here is my speculative idea on how to fix the problem with the death > > of Ms Calender and > > restoring Angel's soul. > > > > > > Angel continues on his rampage killing Buffy's circle of friends. > > Oz, Xander and Cordy are the first to go. > > Buffy is starting to turn crazy (like Dru) > > Whilst Willow is working late at school (as the temp computer teacher) > > she finds > > the disk. She discovers the disk and what Ms Calender was working on > > and rushes > > to find Buffy and Giles. Close to Gile's house Willow is intercepted > > by Angel. > > > > Willow is no match for the evil Angel. However, her screams are heard > > my Giles > > and Amy (who were in the house). Amy manages to ward off Angel with a > > spell > > but Willow is dying. > > > > With her dying breath Willow explains to Giles what Ms Calender was > > doing and > > hands him the disk before she expires. > > > > Giles is grief stricken. All the slayettes have died and Buffy is > > turning crazy. > > Angel is winning. > > Giles hates Angel and does not want to restore his soul. > > Giles speaks out loud that he wished none of this had happened and > > wish > > he could turn back the clock. > > > > Amy says that she can. Amy can send Giles back in time. > > > > Giles (with the disk) is sent back in time. > > > > Giles tracks Ms Calender down as she is heading to the shop to buy the > > Orb. > > Giles knocks her unconsious in an alleyway and takes her to his house. > > There Giles adds the 'Upstairs' letter addressed to his past self and > > lays Ms Calender on > > the bed. Giles puts the disk in her hands. > > Giles also puts the 'No Vampire invite' spell on the house. > > > > From afar Giles sees his past self entering the house. > > Giles goes back to his own time. > > > > History has now changed. > > > > When Jenny awakes , she and Giles read the contents of the > > disk and purchased the Orb. Buffy and the Slayettes manage to capture > > Angel and > > cast the spell on him to restore his soul. > > > > Everyone lives happly ever after. > > > > What do you think ? > > > > > > Sai Wong > > - - --------------215E34CFEBD1F0D3A0EDEA3A-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:15:44 EST From: fun-ee@juno.com (fu nee) Subject: BUFFY: Passion/Obsession/Possession "Passion. It lies in all of us...sleeping...waiting, and though unwanted, unbidden, it will stir, open its jaws...and howl. It speaks to us, guides us. Passion rules us all, and we obey. What other choice do we have?" --Angel in Passion I was wondering if anyone else drew the connection between Angel's vampiric lust for Buffy as something of a metaphor for love gone bad between lovers? Lets say a guy and girl become a couple, then for whatever reason, one of them wants to break off the relationship, but the other can't let go. The one that can't let go becomes obsessive. Or, maybe he/she was obsessive/possessive to begin with. In any case, the one that can't let go may start to stalk the object of his obsession, may start to do all kinds of bizarre, illegal, hurtful things to that person they once loved and who they still think they love but are only obsessed with now. What previously was a desire to do things to please the object of their love now becomes a desire to hurt (maybe not even realized as hurtful) the object of their obsession. Unfortunately, just as in Angel's case, the obsession can hurt not only the object of obsession but their friends and family. I don't mean to start a thread bout: "Oh there was this guy I broke up with and he wouldn't leave me alone..." but if it does, so be it! funee (: _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:36:46 -0500 (EST) From: "F.Y.G." Subject: BUFFY: Buffy on EW Cover I came home..its Friday and I look through the mail. I am graced my an incredible NEW picture of Sarah on the cover of Entertainment Weekly. Nice article inside and little tidbits through out. Everyone, shopping ho!!!!! F.Y.G./missile http://home.switchboard.com/fyg Founder and President of the Buffy Crew http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7427/ Delta Sigma Phi Sargent at Arms - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:29:14 EST From: Smellcore Subject: Re: [Fwd: BUFFY: My idea on how to resolve the Angel/Ms Calender problem] In a message dated 2/27/98 9:16:33 PM, you wrote: <> Because Jenyy is not a vampire she is DEAD. Deceased. Kicked the bucket. Bought the farm. Whatever. Angel can have his soul restored because: 1. His body is still alive. 2. His soul has been displaced. (or misplaced if you rather) Jenny's soul has gone on to where ever it is that souls go after the person dies. She never lost it. She's dead. Kelly "Every finger in the room is pointing at me. I wanna spit in their faces but then I get afraid of what that could bring. " "Crucify" Tori Amos - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:17:32 -0800 From: "Tammy Place" Subject: BUFFY: Angel I have to say that what Angel did to Giles was the most physco and the coolest thing I have ever seen on the show, I hated the old Angel, but I love the new one - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #143 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. 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