From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #216 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Friday, April 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 216 In this issue: BUFFY: Sally's life Re: BUFFY:Tons of stuff.... Re: BUFFY: BtVS & Dawson's Creek being responsible Re: BUFFY: BtVS & Dawson's Creek being responsible BUFFY: RE:buffy and dawson public service Re: BUFFY: BtVS & Dawson's Creek being responsible BUFFY: Buffy Soundtrack Re: BUFFY: Buffy Soundtrack Re: BUFFY: BtVS & Dawson's Creek being responsible Re: BUFFY: Willow BUFFY: Re: Buffy: Willow BUFFY: Re: BUFFY Phases Re: BUFFY: Willow (and Trolls) Re: BUFFY: Re: Buffy: Willow Re: BUFFY: BtVS & Dawson's Creek being responsible Re: BUFFY: Nick's girlfriend Re: BUFFY: Nick's girlfriend BUFFY: favs Re: BUFFY: Re: Buffy: Willow Re: BUFFY: Re: Buffy: Willow Re: BUFFY: Re: Buffy: Willow BUFFY: Buffy: My Opinion BUFFY: Buffy Soundtrack BUFFY: Nick's chat Re: BUFFY: Buffy Soundtrack BUFFY: Re: your mail Re: BUFFY: New topic BUFFY: 15 New Pages of Buffy Magazine Scans Re: BUFFY: Willow (and Trolls) Re: BUFFY: Nick's girlfriend BUFFY: The whole Willow thing Re: BUFFY: Willow (and Trolls) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:41:00 -0700 From: "Karri Lucas@warnerbros.com" Subject: BUFFY: Sally's life Subject: Re: BUFFY:Tons of stuff.... Ash or Shelley wrote: > >From the NB chat: > >>NICHOLAS: Wow! If I could only listen to one band, it would be > Louie > Armstrong.<< > > I love Louis Armstrong! And I thought no one in my generation was Now, there would be some really compellingly ironic theme music for BtVS, played in the background as hordes of the malefic undead are displayed running rampant in Sunnydale: "...and I think to myself, what a wonderful world!" Mark - -- markwithak@mindspring.com keeper of Willow's diffidence - ------------------------------------ "it could be me...it's not, though." - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:25:17 -0400 From: "Nicole Stacy Carpenter" Subject: Re: BUFFY: BtVS & Dawson's Creek being responsible As much as this sounds good. I'm think it would be totally hypocritical. If a person played a certain character that has slept with everyone and such, doing a public service announcment just wouldnt work. I would see that person and think, if he believes in safe sex and anti drugs and blah blah blah, why would they compromise their values to play that on TV? I would see it as "Do what I say and not as I Do" Giving kids a REALLY mixed up message. Nicole >>> fu nee 04/09 1:21 PM >>> Hi, Everyone: I wanted to throw a few thoughts out here and get some response. As you know there are advisory messages that come on before they air Dawson's Creek and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'm sure we all know that most probably those advisories are ignored and that the viewing audience of both BtVS and Dawson's Creek are watched by kids who are 10 years of age or even younger. Frankly, I got no problem with that as long as it's balanced out by a responsible adult who tells a young viewer that tv is fantasy, that even the most long, detailed, black and white documentary footage on a subject like the Holocaust is an Art form. That's the way I view it. True, things like the Holocaust did happen, but the recorded video footage we have that survives is not reality, it is a historical view seen through an eye lense captured on a moving canvas for prosperity depicting things that may have truly happened, yet the documentary is not reality itself, only a recording. Both Buffy and Dawson show images of teenagers engaging in sex (foreplay), they show hints of high school violence (like that scene where Xander almost gets destroyed by that football player in the Halloween episode), yet that is fantasy. We all know real sex can have consequences such as pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, etc. And real high school violence results in broken bones, bruises, legal ramifications. With this in mind, and knowing that kids way below the recommended viewing age posted in those pre-show advisories are going to watch Buffy and Dawson each week perhaps emulate what they see on tv, I was thinking: How bout cast members of both shows making public service announcement: Anti-drugs, Anti-violence, Safe Sex (or Abstaining), etc. Can you imagine the balance this would give, especially to a show like Dawson's Creek which is being blasted as a show depicting sleazy sex involving teenagers? It would be nice to have the stars and co-stars of both shows coming out and doing such public service spots. I can imagine the following with that blonde girl (help me out here I forget her name!) who plays Dawson's girlfriend in a commercial: "Hi! I'm (whatever her name is) and you see me each week on Dawson's Creek. I play a character who has had a history of sexual encounters with many different partners. In real life, I wouldn't be so lucky and have a second chance like I do on Dawson. Aids and other Sexually Transmitted Diseases can be a Death Sentence. Having sex before you can handle it is not only foolish, it can be deadly..." Well, what ya all think? funee _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 15:38:08 -0700 From: Shari Subject: Re: BUFFY: BtVS & Dawson's Creek being responsible >It would be nice to have the stars and co-stars of >both shows coming out and doing such public service spots. (snip) >Well, what ya all think? I think it's a great idea. It never hurts to have some balance in life. Maybe the actors can act as good role models, even if the characters aren't always that way. I see a lot of public service messages with other actors, but it often seems to be sort of in character for the role they play on TV. I think it would be great to have a commercial right before or after Buffy or DC with someone from those shows talking about an issue that means a lot to them personally. I recall years ago, when the soap opera Santa Barbara had a very tense and disturbing rape storyline, the actress playing the woman who'd been raped did a public service announcement. She emphasized that she was an actress and this particular storyline was fictional, but she urged anyone who had been raped to seek help through counseling. She emphasized the importance of talking about it with someone who was trained to offer support. I think they ran this announcement a couple of times. Eventually the character did go to counseling, and it was helpful, but I remember thinking it was a good way to reach a lot of people about something they might not want to come forward about without some encouragement. There are a lot of different issues facing teens today that could be addressed. It might even be interesting to have ASH, for instance, in an announcement for parents: "Do you know what your children are watching? If not, why don't you ask them, and talk to them about why they like the shows they watch?" Just something for the parents to think about. Shari - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "D. Heuser" Subject: BUFFY: RE:buffy and dawson public service LOL imagine a buffy public service "Hi, I'm sarah michelle gellar and I play buffy on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer'. Sometimes in my role I have to fight vampires and kill them by shoving a stake through their heart. But Buffy is SPECIAL. Don't stake people just because they have big teeth or their dressing style is WAY outdated or you have scary dreams about a person like Buffy does. Remember, there's only one in every generation and buffy is it. NOT YOU" deborah - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:48:07 EDT From: TS Bear Subject: Re: BUFFY: BtVS & Dawson's Creek being responsible In a message dated 98-04-09 18:41:51 EDT, you write: << >It would be nice to have the stars and co-stars of >both shows coming out and doing such public service spots. (snip) >> On a more selfish note.... we'd get to see 'em more often!! =)~ *christine* Owner of the Lair (http://members.aol.com/TSBear/buffy.html) Owner of the Official Quote Keeping Site ("Just a hobby, has nothing to do with Buffy..really!") - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:42:31 EDT From: BuffyChic4 Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Soundtrack I was reading one of those Buffy fan newsletter's that people send out and it said that the Buffy soundtrack entitled, Kick Me, Kill Me: The Original Buffy The Vampire Slayer soundtrack (or something like that...) is out in stores. Can anyone confirm this, and if so, where can I find it because it's not at any of my local music stores. Thanks! ~*~Cathy~*~ =) http://members.aol.com/smeegzcacs/index.html (= "Sometimes somebody says something really small and it just fits right into this empty place in your heart." --Angela, My so-called Life-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:00:48 EDT From: Smellcore Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy Soundtrack In a message dated 4/9/98 11:45:44 PM, you wrote: << I was reading one of those Buffy fan newsletter's that people send out and it said that the Buffy soundtrack entitled, Kick Me, Kill Me: The Original Buffy The Vampire Slayer soundtrack (or something like that...) is out in stores. >> It was supposed to be released March 10 but it's not out yet. I have heard varying rumors about its new release date one being that it comes out tomorrow but I don't know. Pandora(smellcore@aol.com) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 21:08:28 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fu nee) Subject: Re: BUFFY: BtVS & Dawson's Creek being responsible On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:25:17 -0400 "Nicole Stacy Carpenter" writes: >As much as this sounds good. I'm think it would be totally >hypocritical. If a person played a certain character that has slept >with everyone and such, doing a public service announcment just >wouldnt work. I would see that person and think, if he believes in > But that's exactly the person you want to make the announcement. Don't you see, when kids see a character who plays a sleazoid on tv come out of character and make a public announcement like that it will be like splashing cold water on their faces...giving them a dose of reality. If any of you watch Xena: Warrior Princess you may have seen a public service announcement by Lucy Lawless (who portrays Xena) do a spot about spousal abuse advising battered women to seek help if they are victims of violence. The effect of seeing Ms Lawless without the armor, the bangs, her weapons (especially that whip), made me take notice. I realized, she was making a statement *against* violence, even though her character is so violent and that this was the REAL Xena speaking here. Just my opinion, funee _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:08:16 EDT From: TraceyS71 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow In a message dated 98-04-08 23:36:51 EDT, you write: << Willow) and only longs for Xander (I say this because I don't think she really likes Oz) >> I for one disagree with that statement... I think she does truly care for Oz... witness the end of Phases with the kissage... she wouldn't just kiss any boy.. Willow's not that type of girl and she cares for people deeply... JMHO... Tracey =) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 21:14:44 +0000 From: Jack Welsh Subject: BUFFY: Re: Buffy: Willow >it doesn't matter what role you get as long as you do > it good, which is what Willow does That's exactly my point; I don't think she does it well - -- Jack Welsh Sarah Michelle Gellar Unofficial Web Page http://home.ici.net/customers/joloam/index.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 21:23:41 +0000 From: Jack Welsh Subject: BUFFY: Re: BUFFY Phases The problem with Phases is that it's not well written (and the fact that the costume is awful has something to do with it). What do you mean by some of the earlier episodes? The only episodes I had major problems with last season were "Nightmares" and "I Robot You Jane". Sure Miss French twisting her head was a bit much but the rest of the season was great (my favs are "The Pack" and "Angel") - -- Jack Welsh Sarah Michelle Gellar Unofficial Web Page http://home.ici.net/customers/joloam/index.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 21:18:11 +0000 From: Jack Welsh Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow (and Trolls) Oh you're so smart! That's exactly what I was doing. I like to spend my free time trying to get people on this list mad. (if you didn't catch the sarcasm, I'll telling you now) I don't like Alyson Hannigan and I was just giving my opinion and judging from the private mail i've received lots of people feel the same way. - -- Jack Welsh Sarah Michelle Gellar Unofficial Web Page http://home.ici.net/customers/joloam/index.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 22:34:43 -0400 From: Mark Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Buffy: Willow Jack Welsh wrote: > > >it doesn't matter what role you get as long as you do > > it good, which is what Willow does > > That's exactly my point; I don't think she does it well > -- > Jack Welsh Alyson infuses Willow with depth, intelligence, sweetness, and incomparable winsomeness. She is far and away the very best thing on the show. What part of "perfect" is it that you don't like? Mark - -- markwithak@mindspring.com keeper of Willow's diffidence - ------------------------------------ "it could be me...it's not, though." - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 22:34:53 From: Jeff Rohaly Subject: Re: BUFFY: BtVS & Dawson's Creek being responsible fu nee: >How bout cast members of both shows making public service announcement: >Anti-drugs, Anti-violence, Safe Sex (or Abstaining), etc. In honor of those old cough syrup commercials: SMG: "Hi, I'm not a slayer but I play one on TV ... Could work. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:34:35 EDT From: TraceyS71 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Nick's girlfriend In a message dated 98-04-09 12:48:34 EDT, you write: << I think his girlfriend is Wendy Benson. (I put the piece together). She was in Wishmaster and 90210 as w >> - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:35:12 EDT From: TraceyS71 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Nick's girlfriend In a message dated 98-04-09 12:48:34 EDT, you write: << I think his girlfriend is Wendy Benson. (I put the piece together). She was in Wishmaster and 90210 as w >> Who did she play on 90210? Haven't seen it in years but her name sounds familiar to me... Tracey =) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:39:06 -0400 From: CharlieS@webtv.net (Charles Summers) Subject: BUFFY: favs Interesting. You don't like Phases primarily because of the hoky costume, yet you liked the pack with the REALLY hoky hyenas. As a rule, the production value on season 2 has been superior to season 1. I think everyone needs to lighten up on the Willow thing. People have every right to dislike her. And more than a few of us like the character and Aly's acting very much. Everyone can enjoy this show the way they see fit. It's the American way... - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:08:00 +0000 From: Jack Welsh Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Buffy: Willow Mark wrote: > the show. What part of "perfect" is it that you don't like? Again that is your opinion. It's fine for you to voice yours (just like I did mine). As for me, I think Alyson's inability to act makes SMG's acting 'perfect'. - -- Jack Welsh Sarah Michelle Gellar Unofficial Web Page http://home.ici.net/customers/joloam/index.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:07:10 EDT From: Britt1975 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Buffy: Willow Just a quick question....isn't it one of the rules of the list that we not take stabs at the actual actors and that we confine nasty comments the the character? Just curious. ObBuffy: Being that I missed the last airing of Bad Eggs, it was nice to once again see DB in his old familiar role of Angel. Brittany Britt1975@aol.com Keeper of Xander's Ice Cream Cone and Willow's Bulliten Board - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:10:04 -0400 From: sah Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Buffy: Willow At 11:07 PM 4/9/98 EDT, Britt1975 wrote: >Just a quick question....isn't it one of the rules of the list that we not >take stabs at the actual actors and that we confine nasty comments the the >character? Just curious. Nasty stabs yes. Comments and criticisms about acting ability, however, are fair game. All we ask is that the tone of posts remain civil and respecful and that people realize that disagreement does not constitute a flame. There have been a few posts in this thread that have been borderline, but Jill and I have been monitoring it and will step in if we feel it becomes necessary (as people on this list are *well* aware ). If you have issues, or questions, please feel free to forward them to me (romana@mindspring.com) and/or Jill(jtkirby@mcs.com). - --sah sah * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com NatPack * Jungle Patrol * Bishop * Bossy the Lost Dwarf * BTVS Listowner "I feel nauseous. What is this world coming to, that a perfectly nice, reasonably sane atheist who forwards me slash and thrives on Xena subtext, can suddenly start watching 7th Heaven and planning FIC, for Elvis' sake?" --jk - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:41:36 +0000 From: Jack Welsh Subject: BUFFY: Buffy: My Opinion I've gotton a few emails and I want to address everyone with this: it was never my intention to force my opinion on ANYONE on this list. I know that what I'm saying is not the same for everyone. I know lots of people like Willow and yes sometimes her lines can be funny (I liked some of her lines in "Angel" especially her facial expression after she said "but later there was an ick factor). And I'm not trying to get everyone on this list mad at me. I mean if i didn't like Buffy I wouldn't be here. So again I'm sorry if you feel that i'm trying to make you hate Willow. I said some nasty things to people on this list in the heat of an argument. I'm sorry if you feel that I'm being rude to you because I'm not trying to do that. BTW: Willow's a fictional character... - -- Jack Welsh Sarah Michelle Gellar Unofficial Web Page http://home.ici.net/customers/joloam/index.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:30:12 EDT From: RNomura Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Soundtrack Hi! "Kick me, Kill me" was a soundtrack title created by an employee of Seventeen magazine. The Seventeen article was incorrect in the CDs release date. The Buffy soundtrack is still being planned by TPTB at Fox and Warner. It probably won't see the light of day until the summer (If we're lucky) ~~Ron - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:43:49 -0400 From: david schimmel <75211.522@compuserve.com> Subject: BUFFY: Nick's chat Gidget wrote: << Nick was all-over funny in that chat, and he almost sounded like what Xander would sound like if they moved it to HBO, or something. >> I really love Xander- but I thought Nick Brendon sounded sort of obnoxious in that chat! I guess he was trying to be funny; but I'm sorry I heard him. Well- I still like the character he plays, anyway. Sandra - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:43:05 -0400 From: "Ryan Harrington" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy Soundtrack I went to music stores today and looked for it and it is not out yet. ~ryanh ryanh@preferred.com http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Studio/2803/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:53:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Sparky Dawntreader Subject: BUFFY: Re: your mail On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Horsten wrote: > There's a song that recently played on the radio and it's called The > Power of Love by Frankie Goes to Hollywood. It reminded me of Buffy. > Some of the lyrics are about vampires and love and stuff. Thought some > of you might want to know. speaking of songs that remind one of Buffy, there's a song on the new Superdrag album called "Do the Vampire" and whilst I was listening to it one day on the way to work I kept thinking what a great Buffy theme it would be. The lyrics are appropriate without being too corny "we don't need to know the secret, we don't think it bears repeating.." and something about it just made me go "hey!", as cheesy as that sounds... Mehitabel mat0536@is2.nyu.edu Keeper of Willow's dead fishies - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 04:15:20 EDT From: Vendeta 26 Subject: Re: BUFFY: New topic In a message dated 4/8/98 11:16:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ryanh@preferred.com writes: >What was the deal with Buffy feeling so different? I think it had something to do with, her getting over her fear of the master, cause here everybody was saying "she's gonna die, she's gonna die" (I know I'd be pretty scared if my death was propheciesed by some one) Buffy went there expecting to die, following her fate, if you will. and her expectations where met, but then all of a sudden she's back in her body, and prophecy was wrong, I don't know about you but I'd be feeling pretty "strong (bad-assed, unstoppable, invincible, ect..)" >And how come the Master left his bones anyway? Maybe being stuck in a multidimensional gateway had a weird side effect on his body. (LoL that's a bit farfetched, but hey sometimes things like that get me thinking all kinds of stuff) I just assumed that it was because he was like the top vampire (not the first, just really old and respected) >And who in their right mind would go to fight the worlds most powerful vamp in a gorgeous prom dress? I liked that, LoL. It reminded me of the movie, and sorta possibly gave a clue to watch out whenever Buffy (or any other Slayer) wears a white dress, it's an instant clue that there about to go kick some major Vamp butt. =) Serious thought here though, maybe the watchers are sorta right to follow such a strict way of how things should be done, maybe white is a color, the other slayers wore when they knew they were going to there deaths. (I'm on the thought pattern that the Slayers are reincarnated from one original soul, and like they say the past repeats itself, but that's not saying i don't believe Kendra wasn't a Slayer, Cause I do think she is one) Vendeta26@aol.com Keeper of the first tear Buffy shed for Angel. ~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~ "I'm the slayer, I need to know these things. You can't keep me in the dark any longer. LOOK AT ME when I talk to you!!" ~ Buffy ~ "This is what happens when you have school on Saturdays." ~ Cordy ~ ~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~ http://www.geocities.com/paris/rue/9332/ - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 03:48:47 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: BUFFY: 15 New Pages of Buffy Magazine Scans Fifteen newly scanned pages of recent Buffy-related magazine articles (12/97-5/98) have just been added to the Cyberpaws Site at: http://www.wco.com/~cybrpaws/cbphotog.html (click on "Media and Official Images"). The new items are: X-Pose (December '97), Alyson: 1 2 Shivers (3/98), Monsters: 1 2 3 4 5 6 TV Guide (4/11/98), Alyson & Nick YM (5/98), David & Nick: 1 2 3 "Got Milk?" Ad (Spring '98), Sarah The above TV Guide blurb declares that Nick was doing an extended "liplock" with a 90210 actress at Alyson's 24th birthday party. Yet this was Nick's response to that in his recent "E! Online" chat: AQUA518: Nicholas, is it true that you are in a relationship with one of the 90210 cast members? NICHOLAS: Stop reading TV Guide. They said I was kissing a 90210 cast member. I'd like to know which one so I can fully enjoy it. (Nick is pretty steadily dating his non-90210 girlfriend). Big surprise given that this 90210-actress rumor was written by the same TV Guide gossip moron (Mark Schwed) who announced that Sarah would leave the show (based on salary complaints she was supposedly overhead making to friends in an LA cigar-bar), just before she signed her 5-year BtVS contract extension. The Shivers article, however, is pretty cool. It talks all about the conceptualization and implementation of the first-season BtVS monster designs (with neat sketches!). Happy reading, Lisa (PS, Thanks to MrGordo for the X-pose scans). - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:58:12 -0400 (EDT) From: tan3@cornell.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow (and Trolls) On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Jack Welsh wrote: > I don't like Alyson Hannigan and I was just giving my opinion and > judging from the private mail i've received lots of people feel the > same way. This is too bad. I don't mind that Jack doesn't like Alyson's acting ability; I personally don't like David B.'s acting most of the time. I like the character of Angel, but DB's portrayal of him at times leaves me feeling...disappointed. Anyway, I *do* like the fact that on this list we can express such opinions without being thrown off; like Voltaire said, "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." However, Jack seems to have become our favorite whipping boy here, even though there are others who share his opinion. Speak up, y'all! There shall be no shunning, no long remembered grudges (Oh, don't listen to HIS opinion. He doesn't like so-and-so), no road trips out to "beat some sense" into people with whom we disagree. We all have different opinions. One of my best friends *loves* Angel but cannot abide Oz. (She actually shudders when she sees him.) Meanwhile, I can take or leave Angel, but Oz is one of my favorites. Somehow, we manage to sit next to each other every week for our dose of Buffy. This show promotes peace. It solves world problems. It will clean your oven. Anyway, keep it civil, people, but don't be afraid to express your opinions! That's what makes Buffy and this list so great! Peace, Tracey tan3@cornell.edu Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Amiee Collier Subject: Re: BUFFY: Nick's girlfriend - ---TraceyS71 wrote: > In a message dated 98-04-09 12:48:34 EDT, you write: > << I think his girlfriend is Wendy > Benson. (I put the piece together > Who did she play on 90210? If is girlfriend is indeed Wendy Benson, she also did an episode of The X-Files called Syzygy (#3.13). There's an episode summary and picture at http://www.thex-files.com/epi313.htm . Can someone who's seen her comfirm this is Nick's girl? ObBuffy: Just my opinion, but this 'Willow bashing' has gone beyond bashing. When you start saying so-and-so (Aly in this case) is a bad actor... I think that's too far. == Amiee The Babe Known as Xander: http://www.geocities.com/~aecollier "They say she's always angry because she has red hair or she has red hair because she's always angry." From Angela's Ashes by Frank McCourt _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:02:49 EDT From: Smellcore Subject: BUFFY: The whole Willow thing Jumping all over someone because they don't like a charcter or the actor who portrays is silly. No one denies your right to defend your beloved Willow but don't crucify the guy because his opinion is different from yours. Most of the time I wish Xander would just go away (sometimes he makes me laugh) and you could defend him to me until you are blue in the face and I'd still dislike him with a fiery passion though he has grown on me a little-I don't hate him anymore. The point is there are probably quite a few viewers that don't like Willow. And I can see that. Alyson Hannigan isn't that great of an actress but she was made to play Willow, a character I adore. But I can see people not liking the subtle humor that is Willow. I can relate to her little jokes ("I make my own fun") because I have s similar shyness around people. But some people just can't relate, especially guys. No offense to the guys who like Willow but I think the character is more geared towards girls. Wow! I rambled, I yammered and I ran on. . . It's just my opinion that we should use the fact that he doesn't like a popular character as a topic for discussion not as a reason to take a contract out on his life. Pandora (smellcore@aol.com) - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:15:49 -0600 (CST) From: Salacious Crumb Subject: Re: BUFFY: Willow (and Trolls) On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 tan3@cornell.edu wrote: > This show promotes peace. It solves world problems. It will clean your oven. > Thanks, Tracey, for the best laugh I've had all day. I get so tired of all the bickering on the list, that it's nice to see something genuinely positive written--and I mean your whole message, not just this one line. JC nsrei1703@alpha.nsula.edu - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #216 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)