From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #276 Reply-To: buffy@xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Wednesday, May 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 276 In this issue: BUFFY: Kendra and Giles BUFFY: Juliet on ktla 10 p.m news BUFFY: Juliet on ktla 10 p.m news Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl BUFFY: FYG was right! Becoming predictable. Re: BUFFY:Spoiler Re:Whistler BUFFY: KTLA interview with Juliet Landau Fwd: BUFFY: Paperweight BUFFY: Buffy & Dawson needed BUFFY: Buffy Keeper Sites Index Re: BUFFY: "Becoming.." Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl Re: BUFFY: Whistler Re: BUFFY: Kendra BUFFY: You all must of enjoy "Becoming" BUFFY: Xander BUFFY: Australian return date... Buffy: BUFFY: Buffy & Dawson needed also Re: BUFFY: Xander BUFFY: I need a spoiler, too BUFFY: Angel dying Re: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Angel Blinders BUFFY: Revew--"The Becoming, Part One" **SPOILERS!!** BUFFY: Should Angel be Staked? BUFFY: Opinions aren't flames Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:42:50 -0600 From: Doyce Testerman Subject: BUFFY: Kendra and Giles At 08:24 PM 5/12/98 -0600, buffy-digest wrote: s p o i l e r s p a c e >> Oh my God! They killed Kendra! > >When one slayer dies, another takes her place. Wonder who? My thought is this; one of two things would happen, depending on what I call the 'coding' of the Slayer system. One: A slayer dies, the system starts the subroutine that blindly activates the next slayer in the line up, so we get a Kendra replacement. Two: A slayer dies, the system starts the subroutine that first checks to see if there are any Slayer's alive, and then activates the next slayer if slayer_breathing != true. This explains how Kendra was activated (Buffy wasn't alive when the 'subroutine' ran), and covers why a Kendra replacement won't activate (since Buffy's still breathing, in fact panting and running, when Kendra dies). >No doubt Giles was taken to remove the sword; I see no one worth enough >than the Watcher of his stature! Na na -- they didn't grab him to get the sword. Angel 'knows' he's the worthy one, he's just doing part of the ceremony wrong -- he grabbed Giles so he can force the Watcher to tell him what he's doing wrong. _______________________bear@plinet.com_______________________ http://www.plinet.com/~bear ICQ#: 3311006 Doyce Testerman - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:37:10 -0700 From: twikos@webtv.net (Lupe Mejia) Subject: BUFFY: Juliet on ktla 10 p.m news juliet tonight is going to be on the nightly news of ktla, go check it out now! (have to go fix sig) if you are looking for Buffy The Vampire Slayer merchandise & you are in the Los Angeles area you can go to: Astounding 2319-A West Olive Avenue Burbank, CA 91506 phone #: 1-818-953-7234 or online at: http://www.buffystore.com to vote for your favorite episode of BTVS go to: http://www.bradfitz.com/votingbooth/cordidetail - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:56:58 -0700 From: twikos@webtv.net (Lupe Mejia) Subject: BUFFY: Juliet on ktla 10 p.m news juliet tonight is going to be on the nightly news of ktla, go check it out now! btw, they repeat the ktla 10 o'clock news so keep checking if you missed it, they repeat it later tonight. (have to go fix sig) if you are looking for Buffy The Vampire Slayer merchandise & you are in the Los Angeles area you can go to: Astounding 2319-A West Olive Avenue Burbank, CA 91506 phone #: 1-818-953-7234 or online at: http://www.buffystore.com to vote for your favorite episode of BTVS go to: http://www.bradfitz.com/votingbooth/cordidetail to vote for your favorite episode of BTVS goto: http://www.bradfitz.com/votingbooth/cordidetail - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:55:41 -0400 From: Lawless Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl Nicoley99 wrote: > No, it was Dru... you could totally tell! Even when she was speaking to Angel > when she thought he was the priest... she still had that psycho sound to her > voice :o)... it was Juliet L. the whole time... just with different makeup. Yes, that was dru, but we're talking about the Gypsy Girl who was laid out on the table during the Angel curse. Lawless - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "F.Y.G." Subject: BUFFY: FYG was right! Becoming predictable. Tonight at the Virginia Buffy Crew viewing party everyone there decided to put me to the test. Over the past few weeks in emails and ICQ chats I would just spill out my idea for what happens in becoming. People that were in the chats and read the emails no I'm right when I correctly guessed that in this episode the disk would be found, we would see Angel's history, Kendra would die in a big vampire fight and Spike would be missing in action. I also said Buffy would be in a coma but I was wrong and Willow was the one in a coma. Everyone knows I WON'T read spoilers so I have to admit that this was kinda predictable but THIS EPISODE KICKED MAJOR ASS!! And I heared from my contacts in L.A. that ( with the help of some prodding by me to certain people) that Juliet Landau is suppose to make some appearances on the East Coast over the summer and Alyson may be doing some as well. This is NOT comfirmed as of yet so no one hold me to it. For next weeks episode I think I'll actually write my first spoiler to the list and see what predictions of mine come true. F.Y.G./missile http://members.xoom.com/fyg Founder and President of the Buffy Crew http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7427/ Delta Sigma Phi Sargent at Arms - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:03:22 EDT From: LilyRei Subject: Re: BUFFY:Spoiler Re:Whistler In a message dated 5/12/98 9:26:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rncl@uhura.cc.rochester.edu writes: > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > _ > S > P > A > C > E > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > > On another topic: > > I can't remember who said this, but I think (based on the trailer) that > Buffy's mom is going to find about Buffy next week, too. > Bummer. I was hoping she was going to die or something. I thought I saw a gun sticking in her face. Guess I was delusional or something. LilyRei - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:11:13 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fu nee) Subject: BUFFY: KTLA interview with Juliet Landau 5/12/98 KTLA Channel 5 interview with Juliet Landau who plays Drusila on BtVS INTERVIEWER: When you get a script you must go 'Uggg!' Are you creeped out initially or what do you think? JULIET: You know it's funny, cause I'm so inside this character's logic, that, to me, her logic makes sense. Then, I look at the dailies and I see this stuff, and I go "Oh my God! That's scary! It's creepy!" But I'm inside it, so it doesn't really feel that way. INTERVIEWER: We're all sitting here trying to figure out who's dead, who's undead. JULIET: Well, I'm undead. INTERVIEWER: You're undead? JULIET: Yes, I've been alive for...well, undead for 200 years. INTERVIEWER: Ok, and you look fabulous for 200 years. You're really holding together very well. JULIET: (laughing) Thank you. That's the thing, when you become a vampire, you sorta keep the same... INTERVIEWER: Thing. JULIET: (laughing) Yeah. - --------------------------------------------- Thus concludes another silly motormouth interview on our local tv station! At least with the Internet chats with the cast of the show, the actors/actresses can relax a bit more and not feel like they have to perform for these tv interviewers who ask the most insipid questions. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:37:32 EDT From: Jyinyang Subject: Fwd: BUFFY: Paperweight This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_895041452_boundary Content-ID: <0_895041452@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_895041452_boundary Content-ID: <0_895041452@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Jyinyang Return-path: To: rncl@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Paperweight Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:37:01 EDT Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >> I figured that Rupert got the orb from Jenny's belongings after she died not >> knowing how important it really was. We'll probably never know for sure. >If I remember correctly, Angel smashed Jenny's orb in Passion. Yeah, didn't he throw the orb against a wall right next to Jenny right before they started that chase scene leading up to her death? Joce Jyinyang@aol.com - --part0_895041452_boundary-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 21:12:12 -1000 From: Anderson T Le Subject: BUFFY: Buffy & Dawson needed Hi all Buffyites! I need a huge favor from anyone willing to help a deprived Buffy and Dawson fan like myself. As some of you may know already, I live in hawaii where the local WB station does not carry Buffy and Dawson's Creek (long story). ANyway, I get them off my friend's satellite dish. But this week, my friend's dad decided to watch TOP GUN and switched channels! So instead of my usual BUffy/Dawson binge on Tues. night, I get Goose's death scene and some bad acting from Val Kilmer. So I am begging anyone out there to please send me a copy of this week's Buffy and Dawson Creek, preferably in SP mode! I need it baby, I'm suffering withdrawals as we speak! If you can help me, please send me e-mail privately. I will be willing to send you the money right away, like TOMORROW, for the postage and tape. Here is my address: Anderson Le 7167 Naakea St. Honolulu, HI 96825 Thanks again! Anderson - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 00:30:16 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: BUFFY: Buffy Keeper Sites Index I just noticed that the below message posted blank on both mailing lists. I'm about ready to go after my ISP with a wine bottle filled with gasoline (don't try this at home). So I'm sending it again (now after the episode has shown). BTW, sexy episode! Can't wait for next week!!! I quiver with antici... ...pation! Lisa - ---------------- Just a reminder: In anticipation of tonight's exciting episode, those of you who are interested in "keeping" things can access all of the various Buffy keeper sites from: http://www.wco.com/~cybrpaws/keepindx.html There is probably a new keeper site or two there since the last time you checked (unless you check everyday, of course). Happy Keeping! Lisa - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 03:53:47 EDT From: TknoPagan Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Becoming.." In a message dated 5/12/98 9:23:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lawless@smgfan.com writes: << The coat wasn't reflecting and making all kind of shiny funky colors on anyone else's set? >> No, that coat was meant to look like that. It had a a mixed rainbow colored look. Like oil. I liked it. Jason TknoPagan@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 04:01:36 EDT From: TknoPagan Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl In a message dated 5/12/98 10:04:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Nicoley99@aol.com writes: << No, it was Dru... you could totally tell! Even when she was speaking to Angel when she thought he was the priest... she still had that psycho sound to her voice :o)... it was Juliet L. the whole time... just with different makeup. >> Okay there is no doubt that the girl in the church was Dru, but she was not the gypsy girl. There was never any claim made that she was. I rewatched this episode many times already, and paused this scene, and it was not Drusilla. And did we not hear or see rather Joss say she wasn't on the posting board? Oaky thats my line. Jason TknoPagan@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 04:03:16 EDT From: TknoPagan Subject: Re: BUFFY: Whistler In a message dated 5/12/98 10:16:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, neilg19@IDT.NET writes: << first appeared (Innocence?) I have such a bad memory but he was an informant and was a bartender. Are they the same guy? Someone with tapes please check : >> You are referring to Willie The Snitch. No, I did not notice the resemblance. I think they dont even look similar. Jason TknoPagan@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 04:05:52 EDT From: TknoPagan Subject: Re: BUFFY: Kendra In a message dated 5/12/98 10:35:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bruce.mcmicking@sympatico.ca writes: << Well, I for one am betting we have not seen the last of Kendra. What was all that hypnotizing stuff Dru did to her before the superficial looking neck scratch thingy? My money goes on zombie or apprentise demon... >> The hypnotization you saw was the same thing that the Master used to kill Buffy in Prophecy Girl, the season finale for Season 1. Vampires tend to be able to have that power. Though we have only seen it in The Master, so we have to think of how strong Dru really is. Jason TknoPagan@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:22:18 +0800 From: The Rowcrofts Subject: BUFFY: You all must of enjoy "Becoming" I just seen a promo for Becoming and i must say i can wait before i see it myself, me being in Australia, but i'm getting someone to tape it so i just can't wait. Also Sarah is on Jan Leno tonight?? US Time which means will be here tomorrow night, exzcellent Dave - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:46:42 -0400 From: CharlieS@webtv.net (Charles Summers) Subject: BUFFY: Xander For anyone who saw my first message as borderline flame, I apologize. It seems to me that a lot of people would be happy to tune into this show each week and see an hour of Buffy and Angel making out. It is the complexity and depth of all the different characters that make it worth watching for me. On specific points made: 1. Jenny isn't a loved one of Xander's--Well, I have had teachers die under horrible circumstances in my life and it was devastating to me. Xander's motives may not be pure, but to dismiss his relationship with Jenny and chalk it up to Buffylust may be shortsighted. 2. You don't see Giles yelling and screaming--Giles is supposed to be close to 3 times Xander's age. I would hope Giles would be more eloquent and reserved with more experience. I see the Angel/Buffy relationship like a cop going out with a convicted felon. No matter what she feels, she should know that she might have to arrest him if he crosses the line. Whereas a cop can quit, Buffy can't. She is the only slayer (for real now) and must do her duty. Apologies again to anyone my first post offended. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:33:33 +0800 From: "Ipp Family" Subject: BUFFY: Australian return date... Hi, well, i just got off the phone from channel seven, and they told me that Buffy would *definitely* be returning later in the year, but they were just waiting for the new series to be made(!?). i know that is weird, i started to tell her that there is a series that we havent seen but she *hung up* on me!! how rude!! :) ne ways, thought some ppl might be interested. cya kayos ps. did that alicia mailing list address help ne 1? Kayos is All Around... noddi@itime.com.au ICQ -- 5458814 ICQ Web Page -- http://wwp.mirabilis.com.5458814 I'm Nobody and Nobody is Perfect!!! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:45:05 -0500 From: Matthew Peterson Subject: Buffy: BUFFY: Buffy & Dawson needed also To whomever can help Anderson Le; I also need a copy of this weeks Buffy and Dawson and am willing to pay. Please e-mail me, offlist of course, if you can help me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Matthew Peterson mpeterso@gac.edu If everything is going well, you don't know what the hell is going on. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 05:42:17 -0700 From: "Erika R" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Xander >For anyone who saw my first message as borderline flame, I apologize. Okay I haven't gotten far enough to read your post and everybody elses but I wanted to add my view or opinion. >1. Jenny isn't a loved one of Xander's--Well, I have had teachers die >under horrible circumstances in my life and it was devastating to me. >Xander's motives may not be pure, but to dismiss his relationship with >Jenny and chalk it up to Buffylust may be shortsighted. I think Xander had a very good point. And I also think yes Xander was "lusting" for Buffy and some part of him is but that is NOT the reason he was being that way and saying those things. They are true. I totally agree with him when Buffy said "It is not Angel's fault" he was turned or whatever and Xander's response was "But it is his fault he killed Ms. Calendar." It is! And well. . .for those of you who are upset that Xander said those things they did need to be said. I am glad that Xander didn't back down especially when Giles got up in his face. Why does Buffy want Angel back? I know do you? But don't get me wrong I can see Buffy's point of view. . .but her's is just a little wrong in my opinion. If I was in her shoes though I would want the same thing. Um and that is all for now. - -E Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 98 07:41:00 PDT From: Tim Spielman Subject: BUFFY: I need a spoiler, too I also accidentally missed last night's episode. Could someone send me a detailed summary of it? Thanks. --Tim spielt@mg.cloudccc.mg.cc.ks.us - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:16:17 +0100 (BST) From: La Belle Dame Sans Merci Subject: BUFFY: Angel dying I am very troubled by all the people saying that Angel must die. Regardless of who is dying, we live in an age that is condemning capital punishment more and more, so why should we revel in it in a fantasy world? Plus, since vampires don't really exist they symbolize the evil element of our real world -- and hell, we lock up our bad guys, why shouldnt they (or do something allegorically similar ... like imprisoning Angelus' soul into the orb of thessula or s.t.). hmm, does this make sense? im in eng. lit. major i should be able to verbalize my ideas. huh. toni cordy-girl; spike's mascot Vaquera/MFW/CFW for Kinman/part of the DMEB enpfs@csv.warwick.ac.uk http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/1247 "Either this wallpaper goes, or I do." Oscar Wilde, just before he died. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:16:17 -0700 From: "Erika R" Subject: Re: Re: BUFFY: Xander/Angel Blinders >Xander is wrong. No he is not wrong. Xander made a very good point that you had to have thought yourself. Not only did Angel/Angelus kill Jenny but now he will have to live with it. Do you actually think Angel will want to face Giles and the others once he realizes what he did? He regretted what he did to those other ppl so many years ago and it tore at him but he didn't know them. He knew Jenny. and he knew that Giles loved Jenny. Now for you ppl saying that Xander shouldn't care because he didn't "love" Jenny. Excuse me, but she was his teacher and his friend outside of the classroom. We may not have seen them "bonding" but I was very good friends with my teachers in High School and cared very much for most of them. We didn't "hang out" after school or call each other every night but I would have been devistated if one of them had been killed. Yes Angel did not kill these people but a part of him did. And he will have to live with that. Angel will not want to. I bet one of the first things he will say to Buffy or whoever when/if he gets his soul back is "Why didn't you kill me?" and he will agree 100% with what Xander had to say in last nights episode! Sorry but I have to be on the wrong side of the tracks with this one. Buffy only wants Angel back so she can have her boyfriend back. I truly believe that. Flame me all you want but you can't change my opinion of it. 8) - -Erika "Peace stay off my back or I will attack and you don't want that!" Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:18:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Hickerson Subject: BUFFY: Revew--"The Becoming, Part One" **SPOILERS!!** Warning: If SPOILERS don't become you, I'd ask you please turn back now. There are major, major SPOILERS for "The Becoming, Part One" and some minor, personal speculation about what may come in part two. You have been warned... In short: An interesting beginning. Well, at long last, the Buffy event we've been waiting for has finally arrived. At long last, the events of the roller coaster that's been season two are culminating in one pivotal two (or three possibly) parter. It's the episodes I've been waiting to see since I first heard the info on the final four episodes of Buffy. Forget about the series finale of Seinfeld. I was pysched for part one of "The Becoming." I mean, how could you go wrong? You've got flashbacks to the past, seeing Angel's dark history played out, a tenative link to the film, the gang finding the yellow disk, and the beginning of major, earth shattering events. And I think the key word in all that is "beginning." Becuase once again Joss Whedon has left us hanging, with a brilliant set-up. I am interested to see how it all plays out in part two. If you'll remember, I enjoyed Suprise but was blow away by Innocence. And I'm hoping that occurs here. I enjoyed part one, don't get me wrong. It's just hard to cast too many critical judgements it's way since most of the major plot threads won't be wrapped up until next week. And it's gonna be a long week. Not that the cliffhanger is really the thing making me go, "Wow, that's gonna be cool." If anything I felt it was rather weak. I guess it may be that I'm a bit spoiled by being a Doctor Who fan where each story has three or more cliffhangers. I've gotten use to them. And this one just doesn't rank up there as edge-of-my-seat exciting. What does rank up there is the events played out. Angel has Giles, presumbly to help him reanimate the demon, Kendra's toast (a great, gutsy move by Joss and company!), Buffy is looking like the prime suspect, and the Scooby gang has been pretty banged up. Overall, the events that are coming look to be really, really intriguing. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. But enough future speculation. What about part one? Well, there was some nice stuff here. I enjoyed the flashbacks as it gives us a bit more depth into Angel/Angelus. I really like the way that Joss has portrayed him this year, and that he's followed through on the making him evil plotline. It's made Angel far more interesting, though I've said if before and I'll say it again now--the boy needs to die. It's just gone too far for him not to be slain at this point. Which is why I loved the confrontation in the library about what to do about Angel. Save him or destroy him? It's an interesting question--one that I know has haunted discussion boards for weeks. And it was nice to see each of the characters take up a voice for different sides on screen last night. I have to admit I love good conflict in characters and this was good conflict. It really felt like a heated discussion. I loved seeing Xander's reaction and his chastizing of Giles. That sequence alone had me hooked. As did the final fifteen minutes. From the time the vampire killed herself to deliver a message to Buffy to the final slow-motion run sequence and the voice over by the Whistler, it was all wonderful. I just loved the fact that Angel was a bluff to draw Buffy away from the Scooby gang so Angel could get Giles to help him out. I also loved the cutting of that sequences as Buffy races back to the school and Dru works her magic on Kendra. It was a wonderful sequence and Joss Whedon deserves extra kudos for directing it so well. It truely stands out as one of the finer Buffy sequences of the year. As for Kendra, I can't say I'm overly sorry to see her go. I didn't loath her as some do, but I never really liked her that much either. I think it was her voice that annoyed me the most. However, I do respect the fact that she was dealt with in such a manner. I not saying I'm happy to see her die, but that I liked the way Joss did it and I am hoping that it sets up some major and interesting issues not only next week but next season as well. About the only thing that bugged me about it was that Kendra went down pretty easily. She kicked the stuffing out of Angel in WML, but yet here she seemed more ineffective. Of course, it could be the element of surprise the vamps had on her. Overall, the episodes was a good one. I'm not going to go out too far on a limb about it because we've still got next week to see how it all turns out. Oh, and what a long week it's gonna be. That's about it, for now, except for a few small things.... --Oz was pretty much useless. Yeah, it was nice to see him in there but a bit more screen time would be good. Or at least a vital part of the Scooby gang and not just a chair for Willow. --The scene with Xander re-enacting the battle with fish sticks was hilarious. One of the better comedy moments we've been this year. --I still don't buy Xander and Cordy being together. I know I've run this itno the ground, but I still think they don't seem like a couple. I know they argue, but they never seem to be nice to each other, except last week when she thought he was a fish. But, I have a feeling that this relationship may hit the rocks next week. --Spike. Oh, I'm so ready for him to be the arrogant, brash jerk I loved to hate he was at the beginning of the year. It might be interesting to see him betray Angel and a sort of vampire civil war break out. --Dru was actually chilling when she was hypnotizing Kendra. Not just annoying as she can sometimes be. Well, that's about it for now. There is more to come next week and I'm sure my comments will be a bit longer and bit more useful. Until then, I'm hanging.... Rating: 8.5 (it may go up or down, depending on part two) Next up: Kendra's dead, Giles is captured, Buffy is a murder suspect, Willow's unconsious, Xander's arm is broken. Does it get any worse? I think it might.... Copyright 1998 by Michael Hickerson "This wasn't about you..." --Angel - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:19:54 EDT From: Fenris97 Subject: BUFFY: Should Angel be Staked? I'm coming out of my usual shadow for a moment, to throw my .02 cents on this issue out there. All you people out there who think Angel's soul should be brought back, and put into Angelus' body take a minute and complete the quiz below. By the way, It is Angelus' body now...Angel died the night Darla killed him and made him a vampire. Angelus was born that night. Question #1: Should Angel be held responsible for what Angelus has done? 1. No 2. Yes 3. Who cares! David B. is just to hot not to be on the show! Question #2: Should Angel be punished for what Angelus has done? 1. No 2. Yes 3. Who cares! David B. is just to hot not to be on the show! Ok, heres my opinion of the possible answers: 1. If you answered No to both Questions, how can you possibly want to torment and punish Angel for what Angelus did? Calling his soul from his final rest and placing him into the demon's body again, is torture. Angel should be allowed to rest in peace, it's the demon Angelus that should be punished. So, instead of cursing Angel they should research a curse for Angelus. 2. If you answered Yes to both Questions, at least your argument to curse him and force him back into the body makes sense. Cannot say that I agree here, but at least I understand your reasoning. 3. If you thought David B. is just to hot to go without, I can at least understand your lustful opinion. Personally if this was a Charisma Carpenter issue, I'd be in this category myself. She is just HOT!!! ;) - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:46:31 -0400 (EDT) From: sah Subject: BUFFY: Opinions aren't flames Just wanted to clarify since I'm seeing the old "You can flame me all you want but it's my opinion" saw. Folks, stating an opinion is NOT a flame. Disagreeing with someone is NOT a flame. Calling someone an idiot because their opinion is different from yours IS a flame. Feel free to disagree with each other all you want, without fear of any repercussions other than someone else posting and saying that they don't agree with you and stating their reasons. That isn't a flame war, nor is it flame bait. It's the raison d'etre of this mailing list. Just don't call each other idiots, or I'll have to step in and whack some heads. :-) You get the picture. Have at it, but be nice about it. - --sah - -- sah * romana@mindspring.com * romana@aol.com NatPack * BotCoS * Jungle Patrol * BBPGrrl:TGLIL * Bishop * BTVS Listowner Nat's B&B: http://free.prohosting.com/~romana/natpack/html My homepage: http://free.prohosting.com/~romana/index.html "I hate money. I hate needing it. I hate wanting it. I just hate it." --Alora - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Hickerson Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl [Stuff about the gypsy girl being Dru snipped] > No, it was Dru... you could totally tell! Even when she was speaking to Angel > when she thought he was the priest... she still had that psycho sound to her > voice :o)... it was Juliet L. the whole time... just with different makeup. You are confusing two scenes. The one you are referring to takes place earlier in the ep as Angel hears Dru's confession. The one origianl referred to is the one with the gypsies when Angel gets his curse. And the girl involved here is definely NOT Dru. Michael - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:30:41 EDT From: BLS7877 Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Dru's not the gypsy girl In a message dated 98-05-13 01:29:11 EDT, you write: << If Dru was the gypsy girl don't you think she'd look a bit older by then? And do you really think a gyspy girl would be in a Catholic church whining about seeing things? >> Not only is the timing wrong for it to be Dru, but 1) a girl of the Rrom would not dress like that, 2) she would not be upset/anxious about 'seeing' things, 3) she would not be allowed to be alone in a Gadje City, 4) and I don't believe she would go to confession. Mathair - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #276 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)