From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #380 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Monday, July 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 380 In this issue: BUFFY: Picture. Re: BUFFY: Novels BUFFY: Angel Chronicles #1 BUFFY: Buffy- like books BUFFY: Moloch BUFFY: SMG - Vanilla Fog Re: BUFFY: Buffy a Hit Show? BUFFY: smg/barbie BUFFY: Re: buffy-digest V2 #379 BUFFY: Robia LaMorte sighting ??? BUFFY: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys Re: BUFFY: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys BUFFY: Vampires!!!!!!!!!!!! BUFFY: Mark Kriski (KTLA) mentioned Buffy begining production! Re: BUFFY: Robia LaMorte sighting ??? Re: BUFFY: Mr. A and Mr. B BUFFY: Two Slayers Re: BUFFY: Two Slayers Re: BUFFY: Two Slayers BUFFY: RE: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys BUFFY: Re: Dead Man on Campus Re: BUFFY: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys Re: BUFFY: Vampires!!!!!!!!!!!! Re: BUFFY: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys Re: BUFFY: Vampires!!!!!!!!!!!! BUFFY: vampires Re: BUFFY: Buffy a Hit Show? Re: BUFFY: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys BUFFY: Crying re: BUFFY: Crying BUFFY: Blooded Re: BUFFY: Robia LaMorte sighting ??? BUFFY: Re: Charisma Chat See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:22:07 PDT From: "Marat Sade" Subject: BUFFY: Picture. Ok I'm on a picture search for a friend... he's looking for the picture at the end of the opening... When buffy standing on the stage of the bronze in the Harvest episode.. she looking down with her eyes up..... can anyone help? Marat http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/6691/ - ------------------------------------------------- "I had everything wintin my reach I had money and stuff Each and every call Too much but never enough Tear it up and watch it fall" -The Sisters of Mercy - --------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:32:17 -0700 From: Mark Subject: Re: BUFFY: Novels >>One more thing, for the adults on the list (or anyone else who's interested) >>there's a series of Buffy the Vampire Slayer-like stories that stars a woman >>named Anita Blank (I think). She's a Vampire Hunter! There are also the Sonja Blue novels by Nancy Collins. About a female vampire who is also a vampire slayer. They look interesting. Anybody read any of them? Good? Bad? Mark - ripper@conk.com -or- slayer@hhdevel.com -or- slayer@cheerful.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:14:11 PDT From: "Laura Phelan" Subject: BUFFY: Angel Chronicles #1 Hi! Could anyone that has read the book "Angel Chronicles #1" please tell me what it's about and what episode it's about and give me a lot of details? THANKS!! Laura ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 01:25:58 -0500 From: Kristy Lockhart Subject: BUFFY: Buffy- like books For people who are into Buffy the Vampire Slayer, there is a series of books by L. J. Smith that are quite a bit like that. They are Romance/Horror and are called The Night World Series. There are a whole lot of plots that come very close to BTVS With books with such titles as "Secret Vampire", "Daughters of Darkness", "Spellbinder", "Dark Angel" (hint hint), "The Chosen" (about a vampire hunter who falls in love with a vampire), "Soulmate", "Huntress", "Black Dawn", and "Witchlight". Although the books revolve around a vampire soceity that manages to infiltrate the human one it is a lot like Buffy in some ways and every fan that I know enjoys them. Tia - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:23:11 -0000 From: "moloch" Subject: BUFFY: Moloch I know this is way OT, but moloch is not a demon that the writers of Buffy came up with, He is taken from a mid-eastern god that people would sacrafice children to so Christianty dub him a demon second only to his master Lucifer. Check out my page at http://www.angelfire.com/ak/unholygod - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 02:54:15 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: BUFFY: SMG - Vanilla Fog Don't know if this has been posted here before or not, but there's a small .mov file of Sarah on the set of Vanilla Fog. The sound is curious though; we can't hear what she's saying; it seems to be background sounds. And she looks to be struggling with someone or something. Does anyone have any idea what's going on here? At 11:09 PM 7/19/98 -0400, Erin wrote (on planetx): >http://www.pathfinder.com/people/video/smg.html Lisa - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:22:35 -0400 From: "Jeff Rohaly" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy a Hit Show? Kte'pi wrote: > ... by that definition, Buffy is without a doubt a major hit. Basically, > readjust the idea of "hit" to take into account the fact that while the > raw ratings of Buffy are not high, the WB Network doesn't have > nearly as many stations as, for instance, NBC or Fox. The last figure I saw, after it gained a few affiliates in a switch back in January, is that The WB's clearance is 88%. So 12% of the households in the US couldn't get Buffy even if they wanted to. How does that affect the ratings? Well, take the season finale, B2, which got a 4.2 national rating. That means that it was watched by 4.2% of the households with TVs in the nation. The problem is that some of those households (12% of them in fact) cannot get The WB. A fairer stat would be the percentage of households that can get The WB who actually watched Buffy. Adjusting for the fact that The WB only reaches 88% of households would give Buffy's season finale about a 4.8 rating (in other words, it was watched by 4.8% of the households that could actually get The WB). That's still nothing that would impress a major network. Unless I've done some poor calculating or done unfair things because of the way Nielsen does its sampling. Rather than the raw number of stations, I guess I would concentrate on the quality (or lack thereof) of the affiliates. I've had experience with two, Buffalo NY's WB49, which essentially didn't exist until a few years ago and I believe was total religious programming in one of its incarnations. It has no news division, shows mostly repeats of old shows like Cosby and MASH and so on. To promote Buffy and DC, it resorts mostly to radio advertising. When I lived in the Bay Area -- the 5th largest TV market in the country -- The WB affiliate, KOFY, wasn't much better. It was noted mainly for repeats of Perry Mason, Streets of SF, and its little station ID jingle that would play over a shot of a different viewer's dog each time -- complete with the dog's name and home superimposed on the screen ("Rex, from Milpitas", "Spot, from San Rafael"). That's why I mentioned Buffy's excellent performance, as early as last fall, in LA, NY and Chicago (it actually won its time slot in LA a few times). Either Buffy simply plays better to a big city audience or it could play that well everywhere if only it had the powerful advantages (promo capabilities and others) of strong network affiliates as it does in those cities. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:00:35 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: smg/barbie does any one know if theres a pic of her smg as barbie - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:49:14 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: Re: buffy-digest V2 #379 In a message dated 7/19/98 8:41:04 PM Central Daylight Time, owner-buffy- digest@lists.xmission.com writes: << Hello everyone, does anyone know if I can get a poster with the whole cast on it??? I've seen the one with just Angel and just Buffy, but not everyone. Thanks to anyone who can help. Jill >> I also want a copy of that promotion poster of Angel and Buffy that says "I love dangerous women" or something along those lines. Does anyone know where I can get one? Jennifer - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:35:19 -0700 From: Sai Wong Subject: BUFFY: Robia LaMorte sighting ??? Hi, I was watching the pilot of 'The Net' on Sunday and during a commercial break they advertised some programs which would HEAT up Sunday night, namly 'The Net', 'Pacific Blue', 'La Femme Nikita'. They flashed some clips on screen and in one clip I saw someone that looked like Robia behind some string beads. Was this her ??? Sai - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:32:45 -0700 From: "Slayer01" Subject: BUFFY: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys I was wondering something, you know at the beginning of BtVS someone says "in every generation blah blah blah," Who actually says that, I mean sometimes it sounds like Giles and sometimes it doesn't? Has anyone noticed something incredibly weird about vampires? (Yeah everyone just goes out and stalks vampires for fun). Well In movies they are all portrayed as guys/gals with incredibly sexful lives, rich, and gorgeous. But in Buffy the vamps don't have sexful lives, they are not rich and they are not all gorgeous (like Luke and Master for example) Does anyone have any clue why movies have given them this role and not the role Buffy gave them. Also just some useless info that you probably all know anyway. The guy that played Luke also played the Judge. (what they were running short of evil guys! I could lend them a few from where I live) Slayer01 - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:56:31 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys Vampires are all portrayed in different ways. But there are several clans of vampires that are different species if you could call them that. The vampires on Buffy are most likely Nosferatu (appearance) or Lasombra (can't see reflection) Anne Rice portrays her vampires as sex symbols as does Larrell K. Hamilton, whereas Joss portrays them as true creatures of the night. If you RPG there is a game called Vampire the Masquerade which tells you all of the different clans..I think there are 8-10 in all. Beth - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:05:56 -0700 From: "Slayer01" Subject: BUFFY: Vampires!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO!!!!! I was wondering does anyone on this list believe vampires exist? I mean I did a search on vampires and I found ALOT of scary sites. I mean they even have a vampire web ring and pages where real vampires go and chat. Please tell me I am insane for thinking that others believe in vampires. I mean vampires? If you are going to have a demon, let's have a werewolf or internet demon. Slayer01 - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:01:45 -0400 From: GORDON K CUMMING Subject: BUFFY: Mark Kriski (KTLA) mentioned Buffy begining production! Hello, Earlier today, at 7:31am(Monday) on The KTLA Morning News, Mark Kriski said that Buffy began Production Today. He said something along the lines of: Mark Kriski: I just want to say hello to a couple of friends of mine. Buffy the Vampire Slayer began production today. Actually thay watch us on the set in the morning, so I just wanted to say hi! Barbara Beck: Mark you were one of the first people to relly like the show. Mark Kriski: I love that show. I used to say that Michelle Gellar will be a big star, that is her name right... Carlos: Sarah Michelle Gellar. Mark Kriski: Right. She just made two movies, she is a great actress. I can't really remember everything right now, I have to re-watch my tape again. But that was basically it. It wasn't planned to happen. Mark just decided to say it right before he reported the weather. I just thought it was nice he said that. Jennifer Cumming builder@comnet.ca - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:19:32 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: Robia LaMorte sighting ??? In a message dated 98-07-20 12:38:56 EDT, saiwong@microsoft.com writes: << They flashed some clips on screen and in one clip I saw someone that looked like Robia behind some string beads. Was this her ??? >> I'd say most likely, no. There is a girl on Pacific Blue with dark looks like Robia's... you could have seen her. But you never know... maybe Robia is going to be on The Net? I haven't heard anything about it, but it's always a possibility. Nicole - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:00:07 -0500 From: Mia_McDavid@em.fcnbd.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Mr. A and Mr. B This is a cute theory, but I think you don't give enough credit to the overpowering control of the great god Joss. If he doesn't write it, he tells the writer where it's supposed to go. He didn't write Passion, but he did tell Ty what to write and approve the result. He wrote both parts of Becoming. So, the "arc" episodes are basically Joss trying to top Joss. Mia Member WPWP Keeper of the Opening Wolf Howl I *LOVE* this show! - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:28:22 -0600 From: kmasters@rof.net (Katie Masters) Subject: BUFFY: Two Slayers Okay, I just thought of something. Now that Kendra is dead, will another slayer be sent to take her place? Will there now always be two slayers for all eternity? Katie Keeper of Buffy's Nail Polish, WIllow's leather mini, Cordelia's stakes, and the heart necklace Xander gave cordy on V-Day. Guardian of Spike's feelings of rejection from Angel & Angel's adoptive mother Keeper of Roses Wine colored dress & white chiffon "Life is not a dress rehearsal" - Kate Winslet. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:32:47 -0400 From: Ryan Harrington Subject: Re: BUFFY: Two Slayers > Okay, I just thought of something. Now that Kendra is dead, will another > slayer be sent to take her place? Will there now always be two slayers for > all eternity? Actually I think there will just be two slayers until Buffy dies. I doubt that it would activate another one if she died (again). ~Ryan > > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 12:51:19 -0500 From: "Jedibase" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Two Slayers >Okay, I just thought of something. Now that Kendra is dead, will another >slayer be sent to take her place? Will there now always be two slayers for >all eternity? > >Katie >Keeper of Buffy's Nail Polish, WIllow's leather mini, Cordelia's stakes, >and the heart necklace Xander gave cordy on V-Day. >Guardian of Spike's feelings of rejection from Angel & Angel's adoptive mother >Keeper of Roses Wine colored dress & white chiffon >"Life is not a dress rehearsal" - Kate Winslet. > I think as far as the hellmouth is concerned, Buffy is dead. When she dies (again) a new slayer will not be sent. Remember, Buffy is human and you can only die once. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:50:02 -0400 From: "jan dizon" Subject: BUFFY: RE: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys - --------------AE27C539416EF6F1416C628B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, original vampires were really ugly monsters and many people around the world still fear them today. There are different kinds of vampires with every culture, the Baobhan-Sith of Scotland for example is a beautiful seductress while the Pisachas from India were hideous in appearance. The vampire we are most familiar with is of Romanian origin, of course in other countries also, vampires could take the form of anything they wish and not all so-called vampires necessarily drank blood, some actually ate human excrement... It all depends where you are in the world really. The sexy, attractive, beautiful image of vampires began with novels like "Varney the Vampire", "Dracula" and of course Ann Rice's "The Vampire Chronicles." The image of vampires portrayed in Buffy stays true to the "real" vampire folklore. >Has anyone noticed something incredibly weird about vampires? (Yeah >everyone just goes out and stalks vampires for fun). Well In movies they >are all portrayed as guys/gals with incredibly sexful lives, rich, and >gorgeous. But in Buffy the vamps don't have sexful lives, they are not >rich and they are not all gorgeous (like Luke and Master for example) Does >anyone have any clue why movies have given them this role and not the role >Buffy gave them. - --------------AE27C539416EF6F1416C628B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually, original vampires were really ugly monsters and many people around the world still fear them today.  There are different kinds of vampires with every culture, the Baobhan-Sith of Scotland for example is a beautiful seductress while the Pisachas from India were hideous in appearance.  The vampire we are most familiar with is of Romanian origin, of course in other countries also, vampires could take the form of anything they wish and not all so-called vampires necessarily drank blood, some actually ate human excrement...  It all depends where you are in the world really.  The sexy, attractive, beautiful image of vampires began with novels like "Varney the Vampire", "Dracula" and of course Ann Rice's "The Vampire Chronicles."
The image of vampires portrayed in Buffy stays true to the "real" vampire folklore.

>Has anyone noticed something incredibly weird about vampires? (Yeah
>everyone just goes out and stalks vampires for fun). Well In movies they
>are all portrayed as guys/gals with incredibly sexful lives, rich, and
>gorgeous.  But in Buffy the vamps don't have sexful lives, they are not
>rich and they are not all gorgeous (like Luke and Master for example) Does
>anyone have any clue why movies have given them this  role and not the role
>Buffy gave them. - --------------AE27C539416EF6F1416C628B-- - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:48:27 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: Re: Dead Man on Campus Dead Man on Campus comes out on August 21 for all of you Alyson Hannigan fans. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:51:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Hickerson Subject: Re: BUFFY: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys > I was wondering something, you know at the beginning of BtVS someone says > "in every generation blah blah blah," Who actually says that, I mean > sometimes it sounds like Giles and sometimes it doesn't? There is a very good reason for this. The WB announcer voice does that voice-over for the seaon one eps and Giles does the voice-over for season two (and beyond, I'm assuming! :-) ) [Stuff About vamps with sex-full lives snipped] But what about the undercurrent of sexual tension that exists between Dru and Spike? As for the rest, it may be that they are constantly concerned with surival rather than sexual pleasures. It may be the need to feed on the living is much more pleasuable for the vamps than any sexual act. Or perhaps it's one of those things--the need to feed is just so darn great and they expend so much energy feeding that once it's done they don't have a lot left for other stuff besides sleeping and/or plotting their next meal. There are exceptions, I suppose. Such as Angel and Darla, Spike and Dru, Angel and Drug, etc. > Also just some useless info that you probably all know anyway. > The guy that played Luke also played the Judge. (what they were running > short of evil guys! I could lend them a few from where I live) I am reminded of comments that J. Michael Strazyenski has made about the number of actors who've appeared mutiple times of Babylon Five and across the Star Trek series. I'm paraphrasing here, but he says that while there is large pool of actors out there to draw on, each one has a certain role that he/she might be better suited for. Some of them are very able to have roles that require the amount of time, energy, and prosetetic make-up that these type shows require. Plus, they have a proven track record of being able to not only handle the riquors of the role they are given behind the scenes but also kick some major booty on camera as well. It's kind of like Brad Doruff--he always plays a sort of deranged guy. And he's good at it. He has a quality of being able to project the thin line between sanity and insanity. On a personal note, given the right role, I'd love to see him on Buffy as a villain of some sort. That'd be cool. Anyway, that could be what has hapened with Brian. He did a good job as Luke and they brought him back becasue they knew he could handle the role of the Judge. X-Philes may also know him as the world famous Might Morphin Bounty Hunter. Personally, I think he did a good job in both roles. And I don't think having him in two roles is as jarring as say, seeing James Marsters turn up as a just plain vamp later or seeing John Ritter do another role. Michael mhickers@usit.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:57:04 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: Vampires!!!!!!!!!!!! In a message dated 7/20/98 1:16:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, slayer@swlink.net writes: << I was wondering does anyone on this list believe vampires exist? >> I do. I really believe they are real creatures...my friend does also in fact she believes in vampirism so much she is getting fangs when she is 18. I'm right behind her. I want caps on my teeth not real ones. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:59:09 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys Has anyone noticed something incredibly weird about vampires? (Yeah everyone just goes out and stalks vampires for fun). Well In movies they are all portrayed as guys/gals with incredibly sexful lives, rich, and gorgeous. But in Buffy the vamps don't have sexful lives, they are not rich and they are not all gorgeous (like Luke and Master for example) Does anyone have any clue why movies have given them this role and not the role Buffy gave them. well i think that they do have all lot of that stuff i mean look at dru and spike and angel wow !!!!!! - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:03:50 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: Vampires!!!!!!!!!!!! I was wondering does anyone on this list believe vampires exist? I mean I did a search on vampires and I found ALOT of scary sites. I mean they even have a vampire web ring and pages where real vampires go and chat. Please tell me I am insane for thinking that others believe in vampires. I mean vampires? If you are going to have a demon, let's have a werewolf or internet demon. Slayer01 well it is trur that vamps live maybe not the way we thing as like "can't go in to sunlight " or "onlly killed by wooding stake "ect. not noting like that there cults an they do drink blood but only from one person that the are going out with and the precduer is that they take razzer blades and make tinny cuts 3 of them and then they have alittel blood just enough to tast - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:26:27 -0700 From: "Slayer01" Subject: BUFFY: vampires Hi I wrote the blah, blah blah vampire thing Well, I got a lot of responses and I just wanted to share with you something. I wish I had never mentioned the question. I have seen sights for vampires, site for people who believe they are vampires, sites for people who drink blood and other horrific stuff. I mean there is even someone on this list who thinks they are a vampire. Thousands of sins happen everyday and we manage to turn blind eye, and for once I am happy that I can too. I don't want to know that someone drinks blood, kills, enjoys it. I can't believe this goes on. This is a topic I am never touching on again. I pity Buffy and I pity the slayer (if one exists) for the evils in this world are great and the love which it once held has gone......never to return. This is a sick sad world Slayer01 - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:10:31 -0700 From: Lisa Rose Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy a Hit Show? At 10:22 AM 7/20/98 -0400, Jeff Rohaly wrote: >When I lived in the Bay Area -- the 5th largest TV market in the country -- >The WB affiliate, KOFY, wasn't much better....its little station ID jingle >that would play over a shot of a different viewer's dog each time -- complete >with the dog's name and home superimposed on the screen... Hey, I *like* those dogs! In an age of conformist mass-consumerism where so many things are identical from coast to coast, it's a weird, quirky (and yes, hokey) touch that makes KOFY seem like a local station run by real folks to me. And I've always wondered whether the viewers bring the dogs to the studio (to sit on that big armchair) or whether it's some kind of bluescreen matte effect (I suspect the former, KOFY is pretty low-budget). And how do they get the dogs to wait there so obediently, panting (they're always panting!), and then suddenly look at the TV right on queue with the music? (I suspect a dog whistle behind the TV set). Unfortunately, I can't recall seeing such a station ID recently. I hope they haven't pulled them! (I always wanted to get my cats into those spots, but I don't think they would have gone for it). >That's why I mentioned Buffy's excellent performance, as early as >last fall, in LA, NY and Chicago (it actually won its time slot in >LA a few times). Either Buffy simply plays better to a big city >audience or I like to think, of course, that big city audiences appreciate more sophisticated humor, and thus it's a compliment to Buffy's cleverness to rank relatively higher there. The rest of middle America can chew contentedly on its cud of "Home Improvement," et al. This strong showing in the Big Three (*especially* the really nice LA ratings) during first season is the main reason (I suspect) why we still have a Buffy to watch. Those are sexy markets to advertisers, and the LA market is considered by some to be a real trend-setting market (didn't 90210 build its initial empire from the LA market?). Scott Woodard was beside himself with joy whenever Buffy nailed the LA market (and she often did, being one of the more highly-watched shows in her timeslot there, do you recall the actual numbers?), back while Scott was on the list (ahhh, the nostalgic days of BtVS season one, with the old black and gold color scheme, and Xander's moptop ). Waxing sentimentally, Lisa - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:01:43 -0500 From: "Wile E. Coyote" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Blah blah generation, vampires and short of evil guys At 01:51 PM 7/20/98 -0400, you wrote: > Anyway, that could be what has hapened with Brian. He did a good >job as Luke and they brought him back as the Judge. >X-Philes may also know him as the world famous Mighty Morphin Bounty Hunter. >Michael >mhickers@usit.net Until you said it, I didn't make the connection. Perhaps it's a matter of costuming. The overall look of the two shows, X-Files and Buffy are much different. Perhaps that allows an actor to appear much different. Under that scenario, the actor that played Luke & The Judge could return yet again. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:37:02 -0400 From: Ryan Harrington Subject: BUFFY: Crying I find it kinda strange rewatching Passion that Willow is so hysterical and broken up when she learnes of Ms. Calendar's death, yet in WttH she barely even sighs when she learns Jesse, one of her best buds, is no more. ~RyanH - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 16:40:55 EDT From: (Charles Summers) Subject: re: BUFFY: Crying The first season had much more of a playful tone than the second, which was more dramatic. Also, Willow was displaying signs of shock in WttH--she was more numb than emotive. And we know Willow was close to Jenny, she ended up taking over her classes. We know Xander was buds with Jesse--Willow's relationship to him was never explored. Chas - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 16:56:37 EDT From: (Charles Summers) Subject: BUFFY: Blooded Ok, if you don't want to know the best joke in the new Buffy book, "Blooded" then read no further. Consider yourself warned. SPOILER SPACE Buffy comes upon Principal Snyder and thinks, "he barely looks more human than one of the Ferengi on Star Trek." Of course, Armin Shimerman who plays Snyder also plays Quark the Ferengi on Deep Space 9. Cute little inside joke there. - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:36:43 EDT From: Subject: Re: BUFFY: Robia LaMorte sighting ??? In a message dated 98-07-20 13:23:17 EDT, you write: << They flashed some clips on screen and in one clip I saw someone that looked like Robia behind some string beads. Was this her ??? >> It probably was because I'm pretty sure that was her on The Net last night when I watched. I didn't place her at the time but your post jogged my memory of who it was. Brandi BMTHESPIAN@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: IWatchBuffy@webtv.net (Mica Vincent) Subject: BUFFY: Re: Charisma Chat - --WebTV-Mail-1338718810-31 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I was there. She didn't answer very many questions. Maybe they'll have the transcript at the globe all i remember is her saying her favorite episodes are reptile boy and bb&b - --WebTV-Mail-1338718810-31 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by postoffice-111.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id SAA14744; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists.xmission.com (lists.xmission.com [198.60.22.7]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/ms.graham.14Aug97) with SMTP id SAA27305; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yy4sT-0002Ky-00; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:36:33 -0600 From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #379 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:36:33 -0600 buffy-digest Sunday, July 19 1998 Volume 02 : Number 379 In this issue: BUFFY: Buffy a Hit Show? BUFFY: Spike and Dru Windows '95 theme BUFFY: a new buffy webring BUFFY: Small Soldiers BUFFY: Re: BUFFY: Charisma Chat BUFFY: Re: Spike/Dru & Misc. pics BUFFY: Aly Zone - Huge Updates including CLADDAGH RINGS BUFFY: Posters Re: BUFFY: Moloch Re: BUFFY: Novels See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:22:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kte'pi" Subject: BUFFY: Buffy a Hit Show? It depends on how you define "hit." As I see it, there are three, possibly four, obvious definitions: 1) A show with a rating consistently higher than X, or with an average rating higher than X. X being an arbitrary number or share. Alternately, a show with a rating higher than X -for a given demographic-. Granted, that sub-definition is rarely used - if it was, Twin Peaks would still be on the air :) 2) A show with a rating consistently higher than the ratings of the majority of the programs on that show's network. Inapplicable for shows in syndication, such as Xena. 3) Define Popularity, P, as being the ratio of Rating, R, over Coverage, C. Coverage being the number of stations nationwide which carry the show. A hit show is a show with a high P score. That sounds like a lot of math :) Let me rephrase 3, because by that definition, Buffy is without a doubt a major hit. Basically, readjust the idea of "hit" to take into account the fact that while the raw ratings of Buffy are not high, the WB Network doesn't have nearly as many stations as, for instance, NBC or Fox. If you adjust the ratings accordingly, Buffy is doing very very well. That's how Fox started. The Simpsons was not very highly rated at first - and even now, it tends to hover around a 10, those weeks when I've thought to check. Now, personally, I've been saying for years that the Nielsen Corporation and the advertisers who use their ratings system should allow for a separate category of rating: the repeat viewer. "Friends" was not very highly rated in the beginning of its first season, but what made it a hit was the number of repeat viewers - the people who watched every week. These are valuable advertising dollars. And Buffy has those in spades. - - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- We are big and clever and we don't know anything. :: Shriekback, "Hammerheads" - - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Bill Kte'pi http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/4186/ - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:12:10 -0700 From: "Jezika" Subject: BUFFY: Spike and Dru Windows '95 theme Is there a Spike and Dru desktop theme? If there is, where can I find it....? I'm pretty sure I've seen one, but I don't now where... - - -Buffy http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/9936 - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:53:41 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: a new buffy webring For all you buffy fans who has a buffy site thats half way decent, please join my new webring that i just created, there are no rules so u can place the ring any page u like anytime u like. The ring and my site still needs some work on, so please bookmark me and visit later =o) My Buffy Webring Buffy the vampire slayer thankx ~peg - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:02:49 +1000 From: "jamiec" Subject: BUFFY: Small Soldiers Hi, I was watching Face to Face (Australia) this morning and it showed a thing on Small Soldiers. It showed the doll Sarah Michelle Gellar was doing to voice for and she said "Don;t hate me because I'm beautiful". It looks like a cute movie. Jamie Member of the Buffy Crew! jamiec@felglow.com.au http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Bungalow/1943/main.html - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 23:20:38 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: Re: yes, sadly David is married to a girl from Ireland named Ingrid... - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 20:51:17 -0700 From: LMCGOWEN@pacbell.net Subject: BUFFY: Charisma Chat BuFFyIbEE@aol.com wrote: > > For all you buffy fans who has a buffy site thats half way decent, please join > my new webring that i just created, there are no rules so u can place the ring > any page u like anytime u like. The ring and my site still needs some work on, > so please bookmark me and visit later =o) > My Buffy > Webring Buffy the > vampire slayer > thankx > ~peg > > -Hi, I just found out that there was a chat with Charisma and I cant seem to find out where I can go see the transcript? If you dont know that do you think that maybe somebody can fill me in on what she said. I have checked all my mail and I cant seem to find out anything. Thanks Cori - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 01:15:52 EDT From: Subject: BUFFY: Re: Spike/Dru & Misc. pics In a message dated 98-07-18 15:44:52 EDT, Slayer01 writes: << Who created Spike? Angelus Do you know anywhere that has any pictures of Dru in vamp form? Do you know anywhere that has any pictures of Eyghon, Ted, The Three, The Anointed One and Machida? (I have been to www.buffy.com but the pictures there are lousy)>> My favorite buffy site is at www.geocities.com/hollywood/theater/5261/opening.html (I can't remember the name of the person who created this site, but maybe they are on this buffy mailing list?!) They have a lot of great pictures, including ones of Dru (not sure if she is in vamp mode, Moloch, The Master and other obscure (sp) characters. Hope that helps. Someone earlier asked who Moloch was. He is the "robot" in IRYJ. - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 12:33:57 -0400 From: aly@unforgettable.com (Aly Walansky) Subject: BUFFY: Aly Zone - Huge Updates including CLADDAGH RINGS Hello gang :) The Aly Zone has some exciting updates to report: 1 - I have been receiving mail on the lists I moderate about not being able to find certain magazines that the buffy or gh cast appears in in some areas of the country (and especially internationally). I know how frustrating that can be, so now we offer a link to a site that has just about every magazine on earth at 85% off retail. There are even greater discounts if you are a student or part of a group. Check it out now at http://www.magmall.com/partner/aly/index.html 2. I don't know how many of you have been made aware of it, but "blooded', "the watchers guide", smg's autobiography and the entire buffy book serie is available through my site at http://www.interport.net/~walansky/buffymerc.htm Also use this link for the videos (available soon), soundtrack (available early october) and CLADDAGH RINGS. As promised, these will be available by the end of the week. 3. Our section on the "Angel" series has been updated with brand new plot and casting info. Check that out at http://www.interport.net/~walansky/angel.htm 4. Have a page of your own? Go through our front page (link in my .sig file) and add a link to it in our add a link page. Also read about getting free unlimited web space of your own and check out our new posting board. 5. Our page is getting hugely popular, and at peak times is sometime hard to get to. Please take a moment to bookmark all our mirror sites (we now have six) when you are at the page. Also, please take a moment to recommend us to others at - isn't it time u passed the word about how cool we are? love, aly aly@unforgettable.com Want to see a great page devoted to Buffy, General Hospital, and the new "Angel" series? Go to http://www.interport.net/~walansky/aly.htm and find pictures, wavs, spoilers, webrings and episode guides galore "I love you. I try not to, but I can't stop" - - ----Angel, "Surprise" - Buffy The Vampire Slayer - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:40:00 -0700 From: jim Subject: BUFFY: Posters Hello everyone, does anyone know if I can get a poster with the whole cast on it??? I've seen the one with just Angel and just Buffy, but not everyone. Thanks to anyone who can help. Jill Keeper of Buffy's 'goodbye" note Keeper of Xander's concern for Willow's health - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:38:48 -0700 From: Jeffrey Scott Nuttall Subject: Re: BUFFY: Moloch >Can someone remind me who Moloch is? I know I remember that name from Buffy >somewhere. I have just been reading Allen Ginsburg's Howl, and noticed that >the entire second section of the poem seems to be devoted to him: As Rmkhnk@aol.com said, Moloch was the villain in "I Robot, You Jane", the demon who was transferred onto the Internet accidentally by Willow and finally had itself "downloaded" into a robot. There's more to it than that, however. Moloch is a very, very old figure, and was not an invention of the Buffy writers (of course, since otherwise Allen Ginsburg wouldn't have referred to him). As a matter of fact, he's even mentioned in the Bible as a fire god worshipped by passing children through fire, or even burning them. (See 1 Kings 11:7; the KJV spells it "Molech", but remember that in Hebrew it's principally the consonants that are significant; it's the same name.) Like any foreign god or spirit or other similar figure mentioned in the Bible even in passing, Moloch then acquired a complex body of lore surrounding him in Medieval demonology, not necessarily related to his real historical origins as an Ammonite god; not being an expert in Medieval demonology, I can't tell you how faithful BtVS's depiction of Moloch was to the traditional version. ----- Jeffrey Scott Nuttall smeazel@sozo.com http://www.sozo.com/sozo/people/JSN/index.html P.S. As an irrelevant side note, there's also a kind of spiny Australian lizard called a moloch; presumably it was named after the god. - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:36:32 -0400 From: "Cola" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Novels Caron wrote: >One more thing, for the adults on the list (or anyone else who's interested) >there's a series of Buffy the Vampire Slayer-like stories that stars a woman >named Anita Blank (I think). She's a Vampire Hunter! yes! these are great books....Anita Blake series by Laurell K. Hamilton. I bought the entire series because the back blurbs sounded interesting and I really enjoyed the first 2 that Ive read so far. Anita Blake is an animator (raises the dead) but also serves as vampire hunter/slayer at times. I recommend these books to any adult or young-adult. Carolyn - - - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #379 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. 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