From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #478 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Tuesday, September 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 478 In this issue: RE: BUFFY: David Boreanaz's Tattoo BUFFY: ADMIN: Free email policy BUFFY: ADMIN: List rules Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz's Tattoo Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? BUFFY:Child of the Hunt*Spoliers* BUFFY: Child of the Hunt/Blooded comparison BUFFY: Buffy: HELP! Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? Re: BUFFY:Child of the Hunt*Spoliers* Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? [none] BUFFY: Re: What's wrong with the WB??? Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz's Tattoo Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? BUFFY: mags Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz's Tattoo See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:13:10 -0400 From: genevieve@gist.com (Genevieve Faulkner) Subject: RE: BUFFY: David Boreanaz's Tattoo >>I've taped the promo of Buffy when David says "I'll be back, I will." I >>noticed that when David is tied up to some chains, his back has some big >>tattoo that looks like a bird or a wing. That would be the same tattoo he had in "Angel". Buffy and Giles talk about it when they are trying to find out what kind of vampire he is. I do have a question. Does anyone know what Angel wears around his neck? I see the same charm in "Angel" and in "Surprise". I'm a Buffaholic Cordelia: Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass. (KBD) - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Cordelia: Willow! I really like your outfit! Willow: No, you don't. Cordelia: No, I really don't, but I need a favor. (Prophecy Girl) - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:26:14 -0400 (EDT) From: sah Subject: BUFFY: ADMIN: Free email policy Please read this. It's very important. Effective immediately, anyone who wishes to s*bscribe to any Buffy list on a "freemail" account (Geocities, Hotmail, etc.) will be required to provide us with a "permanent" e-mail address as a backup. We will under any circumstances reveal this permanent e-mail address to anyone. This is for our reference This new policy has become necessary because of the problems we've experienced with freemail accounts. 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Steve B. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 10:58:26 EDT From: RayneFire@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? At 23:18 1998-09-21 +0000, Jack Welsh wrote: >Anyways, I saw 12 commericals for "Felicity" (Yes i know it's a new >show), 11 for a Dawson's REPEAT (yes I do know it's moving to >Wednesday) and 7 commericals for "Charmed". How many buffy >commericals did I see? Zero! None! Nada! I don't necessarily think they're overlooking Buffy. I think it's just par for the course. The WB heavily promotes new shows and new nights. (Remember when Buffy moved to Tuesdays? You couldn't turn around without seeing a Buffy or Dawson's Creek commercial) They need to make people realize that they have programming on a new night(Wednesday)....and that they have new shows (Felicity and Charmed). With Buffy, they already have a hit, plus it's airing at the same time as last year, so they don't need to promote it as much. It's one of the most talked about shows by the press....it gets lots of publicity there already, so the WB is concentrating it's efforts on making the public aware of it's other offerings. Ever since I heard about the FX channel paying $650,000 per episode of Buffy (and now with Fox paying $400,000 per ep) I haven't been worried about Buffy's future. For each episode of Buffy they make, they're also making over 1 million dollars for rerun rights. That doesn't even take into account the money they make in ad revenue. Lots of magazines have made a big deal about Buffy being one of the most watched shows by the younger set....and that's the set that the ad people want to reach (and are willing to pay big bucks for). All this talk about ratings. I don't see what more can be expected of Buffy. Each year the ratings increase. And this is at the same time that ratings on a whole have declined. It doesn't have to be the #1 rated show on the network to be a hit. Considering that most of the shows that I love end up getting canceled the same year they debut, I think Buffy is doing pretty darn good! (Trying to look at the positive instead of the negative) - -Rayne - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:39:40 -0700 From: Autumn Nazarian Subject: Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? > I agree fully! Whoever runs the WB station should be shot. I don't know > if anyone else notices but this last season the WB has made more wrong > choices and foulups then one can shake a stick at. Just my 2 cents worth > Okay, everyone unknot their panties.... you guys are really a bunch of ingrates. NO OTHER STATION WOULD HAVE EVER RUN BUFFY IN THE FIRST PLACE. That 's the cool thing about WB. They take chances on shows that are a little strange, a little offbeat, and I'm sure, cross their fingers and hope for the best. We all know there is more crap out there than quality- and to turn on the WB- well, lets just say (no vampire pun intended) that you are biting the hand that feeds you. Autumn - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 98 11:47:09 EDT From: (Charles Summers) Subject: Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? < NO OTHER STATION WOULD HAVE EVER RUN BUFFY IN THE FIRST PLACE.> While it is true that the WB might have been the only broadcast network that would have aired Buffy, there certainly are a lot of cable outlets for it as well. I don't see anything unhealthy about worrying that lack of promotion might be a cause in the future demise of the show. Even though the X Files is now huge, I still see promos for it every 10 seconds on Fox. The WB may be promoting the other shows more strongly because many of them premiered this week, unlike Buffy. Chas - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:57:59 -0700 From: Autumn Nazarian Subject: Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? > While it is true that the WB might have been the only broadcast network > that would have aired Buffy, there certainly are a lot of cable outlets for > it as well. > I agree, although the exposure would have been minimal compared to what has happened. But my main point was to make sure people realize that the WB should get points for 1) trying Buffy out. 2) giving it enough time (by not cancelling it in the fledgling years) to get a following and become a hit, and 3) giving it almost too much publicity over the last two years. (where can you look lately without seeing Sarah?) Next week we will see a flood of promos. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 98 12:04:16 EDT From: (Charles Summers) Subject: Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? <2) giving it enough time (by not cancelling it in the fledgling years) to get a following and become a hit, and 3) giving it almost too much publicity over the last two years. (where can you look lately without seeing Sarah?)> I see your point, but: 2. It was a hit by WB standards with good buzz from the start. 3. A lot of that publicity is due to the show's quality and Sarah's movie career, not anything the WB engineered. If all the publicity was generated from the network, you would have seen the actors from "Three" and other failed shows hyped just as much as Sarah. Chas - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:06:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Monet Subject: BUFFY:Child of the Hunt*Spoliers* WARNING: Spoilers for the book "Child of the Hunt" and some for season three (accoring to TV Guide Online) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Should be enough! Okay, like i promised myself, I did finish "Child of the Hunt" this past weekend, and I must say, it was a very good book. Sometimes, though, it left me feeling very sad for each character, especially Buffy. It was a nice change, and something that we don't see (but sometimes feel) on the show. The story was interesting, and kept true to teenage trials and tribulations as the basis for the show itself, this particular one being runaway teens. We got a glimpse into Xander's and Willow's families (and Cordy's, too) and saw their interactions and reactions to their kids. I like the idea of Willow's parents not totally approving of Oz. And the pain Xander's parents bring him by neglecting him in ways. We sort of saw that on the show, and I'm glad Nancy and Christopher picked up on this and used it. THe authors love to show how just how important Buffy's friends are to her. In "Blooded," she gave up her soul to get Willow back and in this book, she does it again to save her friends. I'm telling you, sometimes that gets lost on the show with the Angel/Buffy fling thing going on. Also of note, is the small quarrel between Giles and Buffy when he suggests that the Slayerettes are becoming too many to keep tabs on when on a hunt. Buffy compared Giles to being a parent, and how she disapproved of it immensely. I wonder if this issue will be brought up next season. All in all, there were many things brought up that should be something to think about when next season starts (7 LONG days away!). And what I read on TV Guide Online about some strange being attacking runaway teens, maybe there is some chance that Joss also took these issues into account will follow up on it. Waiting around for Episode 1, Season 3....(But will watch "King of the Hill" tonight!) G :) ============================================================= "So, Buffy's going for the big show-down, huh? I wish we could help, you know...without dying."-Cordelia (BTVS) ============================================================= monet@arches.uga.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 98 12:17:12 EDT From: (Charles Summers) Subject: BUFFY: Child of the Hunt/Blooded comparison Even though CotH was the first "adult" novel, I felt it paled in comparison with Blooded. My problem with CotH was the usual with show-inspired books of any type: the authors spend so much time fleshing out the villains and their backstory, they neglect the characters that make us love the show in the first place. Blooded focused more on the Scooby gang than CotH, and I found that much more enjoyable than all of the exploration of the faire/erl king plotline in the latter. Chas - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:20:59 EDT From: Buffyettes@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Buffy: HELP! I want to make Buffy banners for my page and I just downloaded Paint Shop Pro, but I have no idea how to begin. Can someone PLEASE help me? Email me PRIVATELY! Thanks sooooooo much. Queen D - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 12:56:47 -0400 From: Jeff Rohaly Subject: Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? At 08:39 1998-09-22 -0700, Autumn Nazarian wrote: >Okay, everyone unknot their panties.... you guys are really a bunch of >ingrates. NO OTHER STATION WOULD HAVE EVER RUN >BUFFY IN THE FIRST PLACE. If refusal to worship The WB and lack of reluctance to criticize its marketing of Buffy qualify me as an ingrate, then I'm proudly an ingrate. I'm not sure that no other network would have picked up Buffy in the first place, but I must admit that I'm not clear on its history. Did Twentieth TV shop it around elsewhere before The WB picked it up? As for an established network such as FOX or NBC not giving it time to grow and likely dropping it after its first season performance, I think that's somewhat of a flawed argument. Buffy would have done much better in terms of ratings on an established network. We'll never know if it would have done "enough better" to have been renewed on another network. >We all know there is more crap out there than quality- and to turn on >the WB- well, lets just say (no vampire pun intended) that you are >biting the hand that feeds you. I guess I just don't give much of the credit for Buffy to the network that happens to air it. In my previous post, I was actually getting at the fact that if anything, The WB is biting the hand that fed it. Buffy did much to put The WB on the map. It got decent ratings -- very decent by WB standards -- and generated a lot of publicity because of its quality (something I don't see The WB as having any influence on). Last season, I felt The WB made a few marketing mistakes. There was, at the beginning of last season, its ill-advised decision to start promoting the show merely as "Buffy" and sending out feelers that the second season was going to be softer than the first. That was quickly retracted. Then after the move to Tuesday and a big jump in viewership, there was the unfortunate string of 7 consecutive repeats that killed a lot of the show's momentum. Now The WB has decided not to promote Buffy as strongly as Felicity, 7th Heaven or Dawson's Creek. And this policy started way back when they announced their fall lineup. Their press releases issued at the time did not make much mention of Buffy. Presumably this decision was based on a lot more marketing research than any of us have access to and it's probably a wise move from the network's standpoint, but I don't see the harm in pointing all this stuff out. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:07:56 -0400 From: Laura Diehl Subject: Re: BUFFY:Child of the Hunt*Spoliers* Monet wrote: > WARNING: Spoilers for the book "Child of the Hunt" > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > * > Sometimes, though, it left me feeling very sad for each character, > especially Buffy. It was a nice change, and something that we don't > see (but sometimes feel) on the show. I agree with your point about the book itself being good - I also enjoyed it. But I felt that the show DID give us many moments to feel sad for and with the characters, especially Buffy. There weren't too many times I didn't end up weeping at least once during the show, mostly for poor Buffy - the woman cannot get a break in her love-life! My heart ached for her in IOHEFY, when Angel pushed her away.... and of course, in Becoming Pt. 2. Although I'm much older than the character (let's not talk about HOW MUCH older, OK?) I can relate to her feelings of pain and heartache. Major kudos to Joss for his excellent writing, and the actors on this show who can make us feel (or at least ME feel) so deeply or them. OK, rant's done. Back to my lurking... Lar - -- ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ "It's entirely pointy!" - Buffy, "When She Was Bad" Laura.Diehl@widener.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:32:12 +0000 From: Jack Welsh Subject: Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? Jeff Rohaly wrote: > I thought back when the new WB schedule for the fall was announced >that Buffy would get lost in the shuffle. My guess is that The WB >has >come to the conclusion that Buffy will never be its break-out >hit; I believe that the only reason that Buffy is not the breakout hit that Dawson's is is the fact that the WB made a MAJOR mistake last year. After Suprise and Innocence (and the high ratings of Dawson's), Buffy seemed ready to hit the big time (like X-Files did in the 3rd season). Then after Killed By Death, there was TONS of repeats, repeats that most of the new viewers had already seen (like surprise and innocence). There was no excuse for the WB running 7 straight reruns. If they want to be considered a real network, then the WB needs to start acting like one. I strongly believe that if the WB had all new episodes for the time period between KBD and IOHEFY then Buffy's ratings would be high, if not higher, than Dawson's Creek. The sad truth is that Buffy lost many viewers in that time period and by not promoting the new episodes now, they may lose more. - - ------------------------------ Date: From: Subject: [none] At 23:18 1998-09-21 +0000, Jack Welsh wrote: >Anyways, I saw 12 commericals for "Felicity" (Yes i know it's a new >show), 11 for a Dawson's REPEAT (yes I do know it's moving to >Wednesday) and 7 commericals for "Charmed". How many buffy >commericals did I see? Zero! None! Nada! I thought back when the new WB schedule for the fall was announced that Buffy would get lost in the shuffle. My guess is that The WB has come to the conclusion that Buffy will never be its break-out hit; it's just too much of a niche show. So heavy promotion is just not worth it in their minds -- the people who watch the show will come back to it when the new season starts (I'm assuming they will at least promote the date of the first new episode a little and SMG is on Leno Friday night also) and they feel that they did everything they could to attract new viewers last year by promoting the show itself and it worked only modestly. Felicity they do see as their breakout hit with mainstream appeal. Of course, it's an expectations game and The WB might have overplayed its hand. With such massive publicity both in ads and in the print media, Felicity had better be really, really good and get very, very high ratings in its first two weeks or it will quickly generate a backlash. The hope for growth in Buffy's audience -- and I assume this is The WB's hope as well -- comes from the possiblity that Felicity really is that good and really does attract a lot of new people to Tuesday nights and those new people sample Buffy. Only if they watch an episode or two of Buffy before Felicity will viewers get the idea that Buffy is much more than its name implies -- a concept that is hard to get across to prospective viewers in a 30 second ad. I'm an eternal pessimist, but in terms of ratings, I see Felicity, Dawson's Creek and 7th Heaven on a level by themselves. Buffy will be battling it out on the next level, possibly with Charmed (depending on its quality, and how well it does against Party of Five). I'm more than willing to be proven wrong though. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:07:30 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: BUFFY: Re: What's wrong with the WB??? "A whip is a wish your heart makes." -- funee Geez, some of you are really supreme fans of Buffy if you're so concerned about promotion and publicity for the show. Although, I will admit, while watching 7th Heaven, I was disappointed in not seeing somekind of promo of Buffy's premiering episode. While this may be a network failure to properly promote Buffy, and while exterminating network executives may be considered one of the greatest services one can provide Mankind, I think shooting someone at Warner Brothers is a little too extreme. I would suggest whipping them. Here's why: You shoot someone and it's 'Bang! You're dead.' Right? I mean unless you shoot them in a non-vital spot like the kneecap, there's going to be a lifeless corpse and no further gratification of seeing that person suffering. Also, shooting someone is noisy and there's all that blood. Just too noisy and too messy, in my opinion. This is why I think whipping a Warner Brother executive would be the best form of revenge. Whipping is comparatively quiet, except for the yelps of the whippee. Blood is minimal, at least in the beginning before it begins to run in rivulets. And, unless you have the stamina to keep whipping for hours, there will be no corpse. True, in the end you'll have a limp rag of human flesh but at least it'll be a live limp rag of human flesh. So, whipping is definitely, quieter, less messy AND humane. Remember: Warner Brothers executives may only be borderline human beings but they deserve the same consideration you would show any other domesticated animal. funee (: _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:29:52 EDT From: SheenaMG12@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz's Tattoo In a message dated 98-09-22 11:00:47 EDT, you write: << This is a tattoo of an angel. I think it is revealed for the first time in the ep "Angel". Buffy and Giles use it to identify who Angel is and they discover that he was Angelus, a very ruthless vampire. >> It's not a tattoo of an Angel, according to Giles himself and Buffy, it's a bird. And just a little FYI he doesn't really have a tattoo, but it weould be cool if he did, it's just painted on and I hear it takes about an hour each time to put it on, when he has a shirtless seen. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:25:55 EDT From: Toph179@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? joloam@ici.net (Jack Welsh) wrote:>>>I believe that the only reason that Buffy is not the breakout hit that Dawson's is is the fact that the WB made a MAJOR mistake last year. >>> I agree with your views on the WB and Buffy repeats. A problem we ran into here-we live in Georgia, south of Atlanta- the only station that we can get Buffy on is WGN in Chicago. For several weeks Buffy would be listed in the TV guide then WGN would pre-empt it and show some movie or something. When I called our local cable company of course "there is nothing we can do about it." I'll watch Buffy no matter what, but the WB blew a chance to really get a lot of new viewers. louise - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:45:16 +0000 From: Jack Welsh Subject: Re: BUFFY: What's wrong with the WB??? Autumn Nazarian wrote: > ingrates. NO OTHER STATION WOULD HAVE EVER RUN BUFFY IN THE FIRST > PLACE. That 's the cool thing about WB. They take chances on shows > that are a little strange, a little offbeat, and I'm sure, cross You don't know that any other station would have run Buffy in the first place. Just look at FOX who has produced tons of great, innovative shows like a complicated sci-fi series ("The X-Files"), a prime time cartoon ("The Simpsons") and a raunchy, crude adult program ("Married...with Children"). >They take chances on shows >that are a little strange, a little offbeat, and I'm sure, cross >their fingers and hope for the best. Maybe you could tell us what other "strange, offbeat" shows the WB has made? Cause when I look at their schedule, I see Ally rip-offs ("Felicity") and dumb sitcoms ("Smart Guy", "Sister Sister", "Unhappily Ever After"). Basically all I was saying is that the WB has produced this great great show and I just want the rest of the world to see it. I'm sick of all the kids in my high school talking about how great "Dawson's Creek" was last night and not even knowing what Buffy is. - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 98 15:49:29 EDT From: (Charles Summers) Subject: BUFFY: mags Just got two mags of interest, one of which I know has been mentioned before. Collect! has an article on the trading card set and comes with the BP1 promo card from Inkworks. SciFi Teen 3 has a major cover article for the show with cast poster and lots of season 3 spoilers. If you are a spoiler buff, you should check it out. Chas - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:49:26 EDT From: Arakzile@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: David Boreanaz's Tattoo In a message dated 98-09-22 15:33:34 EDT, SheenaMG12@aol.com writes: << I hear it takes about an hour each time to put it on, when he has a shirtless seen. >> The tatoo is a silkscreen.....I read it was easier than actually painting it onto his skin - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #478 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)