From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #497 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Thursday, October 1 1998 Volume 02 : Number 497 In this issue: BUFFY: "the scooby gang" BUFFY: Question: Gandhi? BUFFY: This is the way I see it... re: BUFFY: Question: Gandhi? BUFFY: Re:Scooby Gang BUFFY:: Quote lists???? Re: BUFFY:: Quote lists???? Re: BUFFY: Question: Gandhi? Re: BUFFY: Anne comments + next week spoilers Re: BUFFY: Question: Gandhi? Re: BUFFY: Joyce BUFFY: Re: HORRIBLE! - Worst Ever! Re: BUFFY: Spoiler BUFFY: Joyce is NOT the Parent of the Year Re: BUFFY: Question: Gandhi? BUFFY: Joyce, again Re: BUFFY: Joyce is NOT the Parent of the Year Re: BUFFY: TO EVERYBODY WHO DIDN'T LIKE THE PREMIERE!!!!! BUFFY: re: felicity Re: BUFFY: Joyce is NOT the Parent of the Year BUFFY: Joyce BUFFY: Anne comments *spoilers* BUFFY: Tonight Show featuring SMG will be rebroadcast BUFFY: Randon Anne comments BUFFY: SPOILER for the second episode See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:48:18 -0400 From: "J. Andrew Lipscomb" Subject: BUFFY: "the scooby gang" That was a line in (I think) WML1, and yes, it was Xander (to Cordelia, pre-kiss). - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:47:19 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: BUFFY: Question: Gandhi? I don't understand one line of dialogue in Anne. If someone could explain it to me, I'd appreciate it. When Ken is pinned under the grating with his legs nailed to the ground, Buffy grabs a club and just before she pounds him she says: "Hey Ken, want to see my impression of Gandhi?" Then she hits him over the head with the club. What the hell was that about? The BtVS writers have got one weird warped sense of humor and slightly garbled idea of history if what they are referring to is the scene in Ben Kingsley's Academy Award winning performance where Gandhi keeps getting up off the ground and letting a British police officer club him as a form of protest. Buffy says to Anne in explanation about the Gandhi comment: "You know, he was really pissed-off." Doesn't make sense, unless what she meant was that Gandhi's act of non-violent protest was in reality his way of taking a club to the heads of British Imperialism. Or, that Buffy was doing an impression of the British police officer in Gandhi. Go figure, funee ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:29:32 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: BUFFY: This is the way I see it... I think some of you are expecting too much from Buffy and that's why you criticize this first episode so much. If you would take time and think about what the final episode last season was about you will see that Anne is a logical first episode to begin this season. Look what happened in the Season Finale: Buffy was totally devastated right? Kicked out of school, her identity revealed to her mom, told not to return home by her mom, and because she was expelled she essentially lost her life as a high school student and her friends, AND, just before facing Angel, when she thought she had lost everything, Whistler says behind her back: "Wrong kid, you got one more thing to lose." And, that one more thing is when she regains Angel and has to send him to Hell. So, she loses the love of her life on top of everything else. Buffy was pushed to the edge and ended up having to flee her home, life, school, friends and the season opener finds her very depressed, living in a rundown section of L.A. in a one-room apartment, working in some cheap diner...I mean, it was a depressing situation. But the most depressing thing was Buffy's change in attitude, she didn't want to be the Slayer anymore. The episode begins with Buffy's dream of being with Angel, right? That tells you alot right there cause what does Angel say? He says, something to the effect, "I'll always be with you, even if you kill me." We all know how prophetic Buffy's dreams are. This episode did a wonderful job of turning Buffy around and making her realize that she is indeed the Slayer and that only she can do the job she was destined to do. Like many of you, I liked the idea of Buffy being alone in Los Angeles and would have liked to have seen this drawn out a bit more. Also, if you want to nit-pick, it makes you wonder why monsters and threats to end life-as-we-know-it happen only when Buffy is around. I mean, Los Angeles is not the Hellmouth, Sunnydale is, so why of all times did the demons pop up there just when Buffy is there? Unless of course, that hell factory and those demons had been in operation for a long time already, it almost seems as if Buffy attracts evil, doesn't it? Oh well, I leave you all with my favorite scene of dialogue in Anne, where Will, Oz, Xander, and Cordelia go to the cemetary to try once again to fill Buffy's shoes while she is away... XANDER: Go away, this is my hiding spot. CORDELIA: Where do I hide? XANDER: You don't hide, you're bait. Go act baity. CORDELIA: What's the plan? XANDER: The vampire attacks you. CORDELIA: And then what? XANDER: The vampire kills you. We watch. We rejoice. LOL! funee (: ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 98 14:49:24 edt From: (Charles Summers) Subject: re: BUFFY: Question: Gandhi? After reviewing the ep a few times I have come to the conclusion that this line was supposed to be funny as a contradiction--Buffy commits a violent act after evoking Gandhi, a man known for peace. The followup is an explanation of the contradiction and a punchline: "You know, when he was really pissed off." It's supposed to be funny because splitting someone's head open with a stick is non-Gandhi-like behavior. Chas - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ali Subject: BUFFY: Re:Scooby Gang Someone asked where the phrase "scooby gang" originated from. On screen it was first given to us in WML(?2) when Xander goes to get Cordy. He says" come on Cordy, if you want to be a part of the scooby gang...." IIRC,This term has actually been used on the PB for quite some time, it was even there before WML was shown. hmmm... something to think about. If you think about it, there are alot of similarities to the real scooby doo gang and the "scooby gang" I am not going to analize it, but I am sure you all know what I mean. ALi == ICQ # 18195860 OR http://wwp.mirabilis.com/18195869 Official Keeper of "Let's Just say I'm a Friend" R.A.B.I.D. #168 SSS UFB #96 H.O.F.S. #4 L.O.S.E.R IFS #39 HMWL #61 FAANS #31 BRLQ #91 BA # 25 PBA #189 UBC #416 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:45:25 -0400 From: Subject: BUFFY:: Quote lists???? Have I missed the quote list for the season premire or hasn't it come out= ? If I have missed it, can someone forward me a copy? Mordekainen www.medievia.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:54:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Betsy Vera Subject: Re: BUFFY:: Quote lists???? On Thu, 1 Oct 1998, wrote: > Have I missed the quote list for the season premire or hasn't it come out? > If I have missed it, can someone forward me a copy? I have Maureen's quote list ready to forward to the list, but I have to go to class right now. I'll forward it tonight. Sorry about the delay. Betsy Vera - bentley@umich.edu - http://bentley.simplenet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And, no, I don't think that Angelus is going to be reincarnated as a walrus. I'm hoping for a lemming, just in time for migration season. -- ElaineMc - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:02:58 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Question: Gandhi? On Thu, 1 Oct 98 14:49:24 edt (Charles Summers) writes: >The followup is an explanation of the contradiction and a punchline: >"You >know, when he was really pissed off." > >It's supposed to be funny because splitting someone's head open with a > >stick is non-Gandhi-like behavior. Hey, thanks! I rewatched the episode with the 'Closed-caption' feature on my tv enabled. You know, that thing that shows the dialogue on-screen for the hearing impaired. Not that I'm hearing impaired, but I've found that lots of dialogue on BtVS is very softly spoken or sometimes mumbled it seems. The line Buffy speaks in explanation according to the Closed Captioning is: "You know, if he was really pissed off." Now, it makes sense and its funny to me and like you explained it's a form of humor that is funny by virtue of being grossly contradictive. BTW, the Closed-Captioning feature is also not infallible and I notice it too sometimes misreads the dialogue. funee ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:12:18 -0300 (ADT) From: Jennifer McDonnell Subject: Re: BUFFY: Anne comments + next week spoilers On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 CrzyBluSk8@aol.com wrote: > << and it would have been unbelievable for > Buffy to explain it. >> > > So what is this? Is Buffy now totally incompetent and incapable of researching > something before she does it? Ummm . . . actually, yeah. Buffy researching and convincingly explaining the demon?? In bizzaro-world, maybe. Now I love our little Buffster just as much as the next guy, but researching is just not her thing. If you need proof, just look back at "Bad Eggs", when Willow and Giles were out of the picture, and Xander and Buffy had to figure out what the monster was all by themselves. (It wasn't a pretty sight - if Giles hadn't left the book that they needed out in broad daylight, they would never have clued in.) She's intelligent, she's just never really been trained in that kindof stuff. Just my $0.02, Jen - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:57:49 -0500 From: Anime Nut Subject: Re: BUFFY: Question: Gandhi? At 02:47 PM 10/1/98 EDT, fun ee wrote: >Buffy says to Anne in explanation about the Gandhi comment: "You know, he >was really pissed-off." Doesn't make sense, unless what she meant was Ack! You missed one of the funniest jokes in the whole episode. Buffy's *entire* response to Lily is: "You know, if he was really pissed off." The "if" explains the whole thing, and had me laughing for a while. Cheers, Anime Nut ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() ()_() (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) (_) Alan "Anime Nut" Hufana ahufan1@uic.edu Keeper of Willow's Chewed-up Pen The Al-Files at http://www2.uic.edu/~ahufan1 Domain of the Slain at http://www2.uic.edu/~ahufan1/btvs - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:12:55 EDT From: Tracyrr74@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Joyce In a message dated 10/1/98 9:36:26 AM Central Daylight Time, genevieve@gist.com writes: << I have always thought that Joyce was a terrible parent. I was much closer to my mother in high school. I am not a mom yet, but I hope to be close enough to my children, that they could tell me things, like that they save the world on a daily basis. I know a lot of you on this list are teens, and I would like to know if your parents are this self absorbed and this impossible to live with. >> I am no longer a teen but not far from it. My mom would get upset if I didn't let her in on my life. Don't get me wrong my mom and I had a loving relationship but that didn't mean I was going to tell her everything. I don't see Joyce as being self-absorbed or impossible to live with. She is just being a mom. All Moms are different. Yes there are bad ones but I don't think Buffy's is. I am a mother of 2 small children now and would like to hope that they can come to me with anything BUT it won't surprise me if they won't and I'll probably miss some of the things that they are going to do. Wether it be I am trying to deny it or something else. Who knows. I think in this situation we need to step in the roles of a "parent". IMO : I think if Buffy's dad were still around alot he would have acted the same as Joyce. Who knows though. For example on Joyce's mom not be horrible, I have an aunt that is a Drug and Alcohol counselor BUT she couldn't even see when her 3 kids were addicted. Sounds bad but I think she was thinking ~ not her kids, they wouldn't do that. My aunt was in total denial (Like I think Joyce was/is) but that didn't mean she didn't love them! Sorry for the ramble Tra - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:18:01 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: ksefcik@email.unc.edu (Kimberly Sefcik) Subject: BUFFY: Re: HORRIBLE! - Worst Ever! Nicole said: > Yes, okay... I liked that they had their little moment of glory from going >from slayerettes to slayer, and I liked seeing them that much... but >when I said not enough of them, I meant the Buffy/slayerette >relationship. But you see, the whole point of this ep was to show how they functioned without Buffy. We needed to see how life had been for Buffy living away from her family and friends - it increases our appreciation (and Buffy's) for how important the Slayerettes are to her and to the show. Besides, if we'd simply jumped into the show with only a brief explanation about where Buffy has been there would be no emotional impact for us as viewers because we hadn't been given a chance to identify with and understand with what she'd been through. >Or making her come home earlier than a minute before the episode >ended... ya know? I understand what you're saying about not cramming >everything into one episode... but I don't think they did enough with the >interaction between the finale, and the premiere. But isn't this keeping us waiting for more? Sure, we didn't get all the questions answered in this ep - but they *will* be answered, that's for sure (Joss is pretty reliable about that). It's all about timing, and sometimes, for the sake of art, the instant gratification of the viewers is suspended. I'll bet that next ep, when the Slayerettes and Buffy get back together, the reunion will mean more to us as viewers since experienced what it was like for them to be apart. >Okay, I agree on that. It did leave me in suspense, too... but I think it >was just incomplete. Instead of it being suspenseful, I would have rather >seen a little longer with her mom. You know... I would have liked to see >them working out their problems. Is this making sense to anyone but Part of that was the limited amount of time TPTB had to work with in the ep. (I mean, it's really only 42-44 (can't 'member which) min long). But time constraints aside, if BtVS was "real life" (ducking stones from the Buffaholics) would Joyce and Giles have had it out right there and then? No. Relationships evolve slowly, and conflicts in the real world are often drawn out over a long period of time throughout a series of unsatisifying and unproductive arguments. Give it time - trust me, when "it" actually happens, we'll appreciate it that much more. kimmie (who made S'mores with her marshmallows) __________ Kim Sefcik, Secretary of ASHFC Keeper of Giles' Past, Oz's Werewolf Howl and Angel's Underwear Richie Reserve (Clan Denial), MFW/PWFC Chancer, Cousin and Yet Another Bleepin' X-Phile http://www.unc.edu/~ksefcik/index.html - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:22:24 EDT From: Tracyrr74@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spoiler In a message dated 10/1/98 1:04:55 PM Central Daylight Time, genevieve@gist.com writes: << s p o i l e r s p a c e s p o i l e r Tuesday, October 20 "Beauty and the Beasts" When a Sunnydale High student is found savagely mauled in the woods, Willow fears that Oz in werewolf mode might somehow be responsible for the violent murder. Meanwhile, Buffy secretly discovers that Angel has returned after 100 years of hellish torture, and she suspects that he is the murderous culprit. >> Now I have to admit this really really sounds like a good one. It will be very interesting to see how both Buffy and Willow deal with their own thoughts on who did what - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:29:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Brandy Subject: BUFFY: Joyce is NOT the Parent of the Year Ok, so think about this. Your daughter is a so-called troublemaker aka juvenile delinquent, which is obviously how Joyce sees Buffy. Would you be constantly going out of town on museum business or letting her go out all the time and stay out late on school nights? It just seems to me that her mom could be spending a little bit more parental time with her daughter, especially if she seems to think that her daughter has such a bad attitude and such... Tina - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:44:00 -0400 From: genevieve@gist.com (Genevieve Faulkner) Subject: Re: BUFFY: Question: Gandhi? >Ack! You missed one of the funniest jokes in the whole episode. Buffy's >*entire* response to Lily is: > >"You know, if he was really pissed off." I think we also have to remember that Buffy is not exactly a history buff, and maybe she is not exactly who Gandhi is. I'm a Buffaholic I'm Spike's slave--forever Cordelia: Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass. (KBD) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:40:59 PDT From: "Elka Priest" Subject: BUFFY: Joyce, again I do not think Joyce is a bad mom. She is a single mom trying to support herself and her daughter in a newish town. Her daughter is a known troublemaker[she was kicked out of school for burning down the caf at her last school and her parents fought over what trouble she got herself into this time, remember]. Her daughter sneaks out of the house nightly [I snuck out of home plenty of times as a teen and don't blame my mom for not knowing which is the point of "sneaking" after all]. Her daughter did not tell her she was out "saving the world... again" [until B2]so you can't blame Joyce for not being supportive of her "job". When she does find out what Buffy was doing I think her #1 feeling was protective. No parent wants their kid doing something that could hurt, much less kill, them. If you told your mom that you were planning on shooting heroin or having indiscriminate, non-protected, sex [2 risky moves that are done today*alas] what would she say? OK honey let me know if there is anything I can do to help you kill yourself? If Joyce had done so then I would think she was a bad mom. Instead she resorted to the while you live in my house you will follow my rules[do not fight demons] and if you choose to break rules find a new place to live[ the usually unspoken but understood part of threat]. I also do not think she blames Giles for Buffy's running away. I think she blames the overwhelming responsibility Buffy was under. Giles just happens to be the guy who told Buffy what her responsibility was and basically let her know she couldn't get away from it. How many times has Buffy chafed under her responsibilities and how many times has she argued w/Giles about partying, or dating, or doing normal teenage stuff? Plenty. And if Kendra's mention of her lifestyle[no friends, no talking to boys, no family, no slayerettes to ease pressure even if only by talking about it]doesn't prove that Giles is sympathetic and friend to Buffy nothing will. Joyce may not know all this but she knows and appreciates Giles looking for Buffy. She also knows that Giles said here's the new threat go slay [or be slain in attempt--a moms view of situation]which puts him on the level of the local heroin dealer or pimp in above situations. Do not get me wrong I like Giles a lot I just think that Joyce sees him as a person who a]put her daughter's life at risk and b]laid the fate of the world at her feet. I also think that Joyce knows that if you taunt death daily and the fate of the world depends on your doing so anybody will eventually crack. That is what Buffy did--she cracked under the pressure and tried to escape who she is by disappearing. Your rambling co-lister, elka elka_knits@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:52:41 EDT From: Tracyrr74@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Joyce is NOT the Parent of the Year In a message dated 10/1/98 3:32:06 PM Central Daylight Time, smearse@hiwaay.net writes: << Ok, so think about this. Your daughter is a so-called troublemaker aka juvenile delinquent, which is obviously how Joyce sees Buffy. Would you be constantly going out of town on museum business or letting her go out all the time and stay out late on school nights? >> I agree Joyce isn't parent of the year. I don't think she realized half the time when Buffy was gone though. Which isn't saying much either. As far as her going on business trips that was probably unavoidable. Afterall she is a single mom and has to do things that take of her daughter and her business. Thats my take on it anyway - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:56:03 EDT From: BuFFySMG7@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: TO EVERYBODY WHO DIDN'T LIKE THE PREMIERE!!!!! In a message dated 9/30/98 10:57:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SXorceress@aol.com writes: << Yuh...um...I hated TITANIC too, PS...sorry, Ijust HAD to say that...AND it DID suck...They are getting worse and worse.. I't's BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER FOR "crying out loud". SHEESH.. it's NOT ANGEL AND BUFFY THE STAR CORSSED LOVES Show.. >> OK, now i have to agree AND disagree with you. First of all i disagree that they are getting worse, the eps are still great, but the point where i do agree is that there is way to much angel crap in the show. Now i think that there was plenty of angel in the premire (15 seconds) because i personally am getting sick of him. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:57:05 EDT From: CherryRed6@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: re: felicity yeah what is wrong with felicity? nothing. btw, the buffy premiere was awesome too. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:58:47 -0400 From: Jeff Rohaly Subject: Re: BUFFY: Joyce is NOT the Parent of the Year At 15:29 1998-10-01 -0500, Brandy wrote: >Would you be constantly going out of town on museum business ... In Joyce's defense, somebody in that house has to pay the bills. And in fact, that's exactly what Joyce appeared to be doing -- writing checks -- when Giles came to the front door in Anne. Unless I'm forgetting something, Joyce never pressured Buffy to get a part-time job to help out with the finances even though in Prophecy Girl, I got the impression that they weren't exactly swimming in money. But hey, you'd think that Giles could arrange at least a small stipend for the Slayer, no? Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:54:16 -0700 From: Autumn Nazarian Subject: BUFFY: Joyce Okay, I've lurked on this issue long enough. I'm sorry if people don't like me taking this perspective, but I think that we have to face the fact that Joyce can never be a complete character- she will never be allowed to- and so certain characteristics that in the real world would make her a terribly neglecting parent, are what in effect keep her "out of the way" so that the storylines can continue, and so that Buffy can come and go as she pleases. I think that since Xander, Cordelia, and Oz seem to have no parents and Giles seems to have no friends his own age, we can see how outside influences are not permitted. Perhaps these things will change in the future, but they will have to be gradual. I am just saying that this is why Joyce's behavior is the way it is. A - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:05:02 -0400 (EDT) From: cn2759@coastalnet.com (JW) Subject: BUFFY: Anne comments *spoilers* Comments on the Buffy Episode 'Anne' Below contain spoilers. Wow the first episode of the year, I didn't think I would make it. But, I think Joss made a good; if somewhat different episode. I read the review by USA Today which said this episode was darker than most, and it was, but it had a purpose. I enjoyed the way Joss laid the story out, least the Buffy story anyway. I have to give the show credit they don't make stuff drag out, sometimes that is a bad thing though, since it seemed parts of this episode were rushed. Oz thinks repeating the 12th grade is cute, can you say "loser". Sorry I know some love him but I think that hurts his character. I am worried how the addition of Oz will effect the chemistry of the slayerettes. Perhaps it was just the lack of Buffy in the mix but I thought his constant presence with the other guys didn't quite click during 'Anne'. Continuing the above them, I am so happy that they brought Buffy back in one episode,because things were not the same without them together. It's like eating a peanut butter sandwich without the jelly, ham without eggs, Clinton without Starr. Seriously, I don't think I realized how important the interaction between them all was to the show. I can't believe that Giles was allowing the guys to try and slay vamps, I would think that he would be trying to keep the population down, despite searching for Buffy. I was waiting for the scene between Joyce and Giles, I figured she might charge him with child endangerment. Interesting that they let us know that Joyce accepted what happened in the finale, and had discussed things with Giles and I assume the others. I thougth they might have Joyce thinking it's a big secret and trying to keep it from Slayerettes, and the Slayerettes trying to keep the secrets from her. I actually yelled at the tv when she said she didn't blame herself and blamed Giles; uh hello remember " you walk out that door, don't even think about coming back". You weren't the sole cause, but you didn't help. Did anybody else find the other dimension demons a little strange even for Buffy; so what demons run a sweatshop. When they first show the scene,I actually thought It was suppose to be hell also, and we might see Angel then I saw the factory stuff. The bad guys were almost a little goofy, which is why it was so much fun watching Buffy kick some butt. The story for Buffy was interesting I saw it has the ultimate evolution of the "I want to have a normal life" and "I'm Buffy, my life sucks" storylines that were so popular on 'Buffy'. We see that even at her lowest that Buffy is a hero, despite what she wants she jumps to save the old guy from the car; and helps Lilly find Ricky. We see her have to face her own life with the creepy Ken guy pushing her buttons and Lilly blaming her for what was happening. Which given Buffy's tendency toward guilt, I'm sure hurt. Still I love we see her get past it all and accept herself for who she is; finally, "I'm Buffy the vampire slayer, and you are". It may have been quick in some spots, but most shows don't show that much character growth in a year let alone one show. New opening was good, pumped up the theme music, and the new montage of footage showed a few things to look forward to. Interesting change I noticed (sure many did) was the last season on Buffy clips, which had Giles clearly from 'Dark Ages' and saying "I don't know how to stop it without killing Angel", they subsituted "Angel" for "Jenny". Still the episode wasn't all despressing, seeing Oz trying to throw the stake at the vamp was funny. And Xander realizing he wanted to see Cordelia; not to be outdone by Will's love for homework. Also Cordy's "He's attracted to monsters" LOL. The biggest laugh came from the "we should split up" "can I come with you". Least we forget "the vampire kills you, we rejoice". I would think it was cheesey for most couples, but I love the big Music track when Xander and Cordy go at it. I would have loved the show to have been about five minutes longer and seen a reunion with the gang perhaps. I like the episode I didn't think it was up to the level of 'Becoming pt 2', but still a good episode in resolving everything for 'Becoming'. Surprise, no hint of the Xander "kick his ass" lie in 'Becoming'; not that there was a real place for it, but leaves open if Joss will try and revisit it. Lesson from 'Anne' DON"T PISS OFF GHANDI. JW Keeper "The Ripper" nickname GASP Keeper Xander's Elvis bust "the vampire kills you, we rejoice" "I don't even know what a tea cozy is, but I want one" - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:27:42 -0400 From: Bobby Crowder Subject: BUFFY: Tonight Show featuring SMG will be rebroadcast Just thought those of you that missed SMG's last appearance on The Tonight Show would like to know that it's scheduled to be rebroadcast Sat Oct 3 at 2:35am EDT. (Yes, some of us would consider that to be late Friday night...) Please check your local listings for the correct time in your area. - -- Bobby Crowder | PGP KeyID: 0x73F08731 | My PGP key is available on my home page: http://www.ipass.net/~nightowl1/ along with a small collection of the World's Shortest Stories (or a reasonable facsimile thereof...) which you may (or may not...) find slightly amusing. - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:37:23 EDT From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Randon Anne comments Well, most of the stuff I was gonna address to this list has been discussed already....plus, I'm tired and lazy and stuff, so I'm just gonna contribute a few, random comments, just for fun! 1) Ok, so this has been brought up, but I really didn't like the new Buffy theme......too techno-ized or something. Nothing was wrong w/ the old theme, but whatever. I'll just have to let it grow on me.....hopefully not like a tumor. 2) As a big fan of Lily/Chantarelle, I was really pleased to see her again. (I adopted Chantarelle as this name-joke thing (don't ask, too confusing) w/ my best friend...now I feel really dumb that her name is a mushroom.....grr.......btw, how on earth did Buffy know that? Ah, the world of science [and related classes] is wonderful.) I was just a little disappointed that Lily changed her hairstyle -- after numerous viewings of Lie to Me (and a Little Buffy keepership), those five random curls were really growing on me. 3) What IS a tea cozy anyway? 4) I really liked how Buffy dressed appropriately for her income and lifestyle and stuff. It would seem really unrealistic to see her running around the city wearing her boots and some glam outfit, rather than the sweatshirt, comfy look she adopted living on her own. 5) Ok, this may have just been me, but I noticed another connection to the title "Anne" aside from the Anne of Green Gables braids. When the kids were boosting each other up from the black pool thing, it reminded me a little of the scene in "Annie" (the movie...I haven't seen the show) where the girls are helping each other up through the air vent (or whatever it is.) I kept expecting to hear some whine, "Oh my goodess! Oh my goodness!" : ) Ummmm, I think that's all for now. I should finish this up since I've spent just a little too much time reading digests instead of doing my work. Hey, I prioritize! - -- Alli T:DaisyFoo14@aol.com-Keeper:Li'l:B's book,"Sarah, Slain & Tall" (tales of alt univ), Diapers with Needle-Sharp Wooden Diaper Pins, X's Superman Pjs w/ Matching Cape (+ Padded Ft), Berlitz "Speak Spanish in 5 Days" Tapes, W's Lonely Ken Doll (after Li'l X stole Barbie), C's "Baby Prom Queen" Makeup Set, Mast's Blood-Flavored Toothpaste (can't wait to brush his fangs @ night!), "Lifetime" Supply of Visine (used-up a few lifetimes ago), *Chantarelle's "Crimson Kiss" Curler Set (with only five curlers left).* - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:44:08 PDT From: "Duremdes BShaw22" Subject: BUFFY: SPOILER for the second episode Some people probably posted this but is is still a SPOILER SPOILER I finally saw a second ep preview, in it our favorite slayer says to Willow "You seem to be ignoring me!" or something like that. Anyways, she has like a shovel in her hand ready to do battle with some meanies and nasties. c-ya! DUREMDES Formerly known as ITWASALATENITE Keeper of Buffy's dead gigapet *We raise the roof like Andy Seigle* - ------------------------------------------- "What are you doing?? Make me yak!!"--Cordy http://www.angelfire.com/ca/deucetre - --------------------------------------------- TWO WORDS - - SUCK IT!! - --------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #497 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. 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