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buffy-digest        Wednesday, October 7 1998        Volume 02 : Number 509



In this issue:

       Re: BUFFY: DMP--my .02
       Re:  Re:  Re:  BUFFY: Group Hug? (Was: Xander/Acartha?/Relationships
       Re: BUFFY: My feelings on "the fight"
       Re: BUFFY: Dead Man's Party
       Re: BUFFY: Pat
       Re: BUFFY: DMP--my .02
       BUFFY: just a question
       re: BUFFY: just a question
       BUFFY: United we stand... (Dead Man's Party)
       BUFFY:  Spoiler: Are you a Good Angel or a Bad Angel?!?
       Re: BUFFY: Sunnydale Police/Jonathan
       BUFFY: DMP - favorite moments
       Re: BUFFY: Dead Man's Party and Big Picture Thoughts -- Long
       BUFFY: DMP - Amazing Ep!
       BUFFY: Buffy: Party with the Zombies
       BUFFY: More Legal Problems?
       BUFFY: re: attitudes
       Re: BUFFY: DMP--my .02
       BUFFY: Nielsen question
       BUFFY: Mood Swings from Joss & co.
       RE: BUFFY: Pat
       BUFFY: Buffy:Xander's behavior in DMP
       Re: BUFFY: Pat in Dead Man's Party
       BUFFY: Re: group hugs/Pat
       Re: BUFFY:  Dead Man's Awkward Party - Spoilers
       Re: BUFFY: Dead Man's Party and Big Picture Thoughts -- Long
       Re: BUFFY: just a question
       Re: BUFFY: Dead Man's Party and Big Picture Thoughts -- Long
       BUFFY: Giles and Buffy

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:31:35 EDT
From: VampGrl22@aol.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: DMP--my .02

In a message dated 98-10-07 09:05:07 EDT, csummers@utf01.utelfla.com writes:

<< More important, she has  an obligation to stay around her friends and
family and ensure their safety  from said evil forces.  When she bailed, she
put the lives of everyone she  purportedly cared about up for grabs. >>


Ok, I have to comment on this.  When Buffy goes off on one of her self-
righteous kicks, such as in WSWB, and insists that she must go and fight on
her own, isn't her justification that she doesn't want to put her friends in
danger?  I don't think that if one of the gang was to be killed by a vamp or
other random monster that it would be Buffy's fault.  In the sense that she is
responsible for saving the world, yes, she is responsible for her friend's
lives, but I think it is unfair to claim that she has to stick around
Sunnydale just to protect the gang.  There seemed to be plenty of bad guys in
LA or wherever she was over the summer to keep her busy.  In addition, the
gang seemed to be doing a much better job of taking care of themselves than
the average citizen of Sunnydale does.  Maybe as a part of her job the Slayer
should travel around the world training small groups of people in vampire
combat to make the world a safer place...

VampGirl
Keeper of Willow's interrogation techniques (GF), Xander's design plans for
the very tiny fence he believed Buffy was buliding (WttH), Joyce's industrial
strength detergent (for getting the blood out of Buffy's clothes), Dru's
"Angel always knows what speaks to a girl's heart,"  (BBB), Xander's "Oh yea
baby, its snake-o-licious in here (IOHEFY), Giles' weapons cabinet in the
library, adoptive mother to fishman Gage (GF), owner of 250 shares of David
Boreanz, BRLQ #67, GASPer 



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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:37:05 EDT
From: Alverdine@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re:  Re:  BUFFY: Group Hug? (Was: Xander/Acartha?/Relationships

In a message dated 10/7/98 7:22:48 PM, you wrote:

<<What right does Willow have?  Or Joyce for that matter?>>

I'm not saying he doesn't have a right but I wish Xander would have spelled
out what exactly she did to  "ruin his life for the last three months".
Instead, he played advocate for Willow and Joyce playing in traffic
(especially when it comes to Joyce) that was none of his business. And he was
overly harsh. Buffy didn't need to be ganged up upon by everyone she loves and
instead of trying to explain himself and what was going on in HIS head he
jumped on her and made her feel worse.

<<I'll tell you what right.  When you see a friend or relative heading over a 
cliff, you have a responsibility to stop them.  Real friends don't say, 
"that's nice, wear clean underwear on your trip"--they try to slap some 
sense into you.>>

Yeah, but you don't shout and startle them into stumbling over that cliff,
either.

<<And Xander was mean to Buffy last night.  She hurt his and the rest of the 
gang's feelings by bailing and didn't have the courtesy to discuss her 
actions with them when she got back.  Willow berated Buffy in her way, so 
did Joyce--why does Xander alone draw everyone's ire?>>

I agree they were owed an explanation, even Xander <evil grin>. And they had a
right to ask, no, demand that explanation but I know from experience that
jumping into an already emotional situation and backing someone into a corner
isn't the way to get one. And like I said, he wasn't even advocating on his
own behalf but for others, whom last time I checked had perfectly good voice
boxes of their own. Put yourself in Buffy's shoes (not Cordelia-style) and it
would be a lot like being thrown into a pit of man-eating lions and having one
more tossed in for fun.

Just my thoughts.

Kelly


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 98 14:14:03 PDT
From: "Sapphire" <sapphire@chaos.x-philes.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: My feelings on "the fight"

<Wrong.  Xander was expressing what most or all of the rest of the Scooby
<gang and others felt.  Running away is a totally bad way to deal with
>problems.  Buffy did that, and will now face the consequences for poor
>udgement.

I so agree. They had to get those feelings of betrayal and abandonment =
out in the
open. Also, Joss has to give the obligatory running away is bad thing, =
basically as
a social statement as well. There are consequences and people left behind=
 DO get hurt.
Buffy had to face the fact that she hurt everyone she loved when she ran,=
 regardless of why.
Just because her mother told her not to come back doesn't mean she had =
to leave town. She
has plenty of friends. And, what happened to MAKE her leave should have =
been the first
thing out of her mouth. She really didn't TRY to tell Willow, she was onl=
y about to do it becuase she
had to. Her mother deserved an explanation as well. Xander was only expre=
ssing himeself how he usually
does. This is how he always was about Angel and Miss Calendar's death. =
It was good to see him get
upset about something when I agreed with him ;)

Sapphire: <sapphire@chaos.x-philes.com> PUTJ, CoS, X-Over admin, GASPer;
Creeker Numero Uno, DC list admin; http://www.busprod.com/aclaybor
Keeper of Willow's momentary obsession with sore thumbs, Willow's whimper=
 of
sadness for her dead fish, her fake frog fit in KBD, and her 'Big Boy' =
grave stance
from 'Anne' Keeper of Gile's Occasional Befuddled Look; Keeper of Dawson'=
s awe
of the 'new' Joey and the song 'On My Own' that Joey sang to Dawson.






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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:40:51 EDT
From: Tracyrr74@aol.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dead Man's Party

In a message dated 10/7/98 7:15:44 AM Central Daylight Time, Iocaste@aol.com
writes:

<< 
 This is _ridiculous_!!!!!!  This is totally and completely ridiculous!!  I'll
 suspend my disbelief about monsters from the undead, but I will _not_ suspend
 my disbelief about how a parent would react if her carefully planned dinner
 party turned into an underage-drinking bash! >>

Actually, my dad allowed parties like that. I think Joyce was just trying to
make things better no matter what it took. I can see it happening. 

<<But, on the bright side, at least we got more glimpses of just how much
Giles
is in love with Buffy....>>

I really don't think this is the case!! Why shouldn't he feel relieved to see
his Slayer alive and well. He can't blame him to care for someone is was
assigned to watch and even protect as best as he can. This seems more of
Father/daughter relationship or even a brother/sister one.  BUT not a lover
relationship. Thats my thoughts anyway

Tra

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:43:30 -0700
From: Douglas Carey <data@gte.net>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Pat

Ash or Shelley wrote:
> 
> >>did anyone else get suspicious of Pat (Joyce's
> annoying friend) right away?  <<


Yup.  I hated her from the very moment I saw her, because she reminded 
me a lot of the character I saw her play on Caroline in the City on 
Monday. *shivers*   

Jennifer Carey
data@gte.net

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 98 15:44:12 edt
From: <csummers@banyan.utelfla.com> (Charles Summers)
Subject: Re: BUFFY: DMP--my .02

<Maybe as a part of her job the Slayer
should travel around the world training small groups of people in vampire
combat to make the world a safer place...>

Well, this has always been the show's unexplainable flaw--what about 
everyone who lives where there is no slayer?

You would think at the very least Buffy wouldn't want to abandon her Mom in 
a town with a Hellmouth...

Chas


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:56:42 EDT
From: Dawson9227@aol.com
Subject: BUFFY: just a question

I remember that buffy burned down her other school but was their vamps
involved in that ?
______
i wish i was a keeper!!

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 98 16:02:26 edt
From: <csummers@banyan.utelfla.com> (Charles Summers)
Subject: re: BUFFY: just a question

<I remember that buffy burned down her other school but was their vamps
involved in that ?>

Yes.  In WttH she tells Principal Hyenameat that "the gym was full of 
vamp..." and then stops herself.

<i wish i was a keeper!!>

Someone here probably has the url of where you can go to become one.

Chas



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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:07:26 -0700
From: Lisa Rose <cybrpaws@wco.com>
Subject: BUFFY: United we stand... (Dead Man's Party)

As others have suggested, rallying together against
a common enemy (the Nigerian Zombie mask) re-bonded
Buffy with the Slayerettes as no amount of verbal
processing could, thus proving the old adage:

   "The family that slays together, stays together"

Maybe that's the only thing that could finally unite
all the warring nations of the Earth, having hostile
aliens land and try to take over.

Lisa




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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:19:31 EDT
From: Filly22595@aol.com
Subject: BUFFY:  Spoiler: Are you a Good Angel or a Bad Angel?!?

I don't know if this is a spoiler, but it's educated speculation and I don't
want to get tarred and feathered if it comes true and I don't spoiler-protect
it.

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Has anyone noticed that Angel isn't his good self or his bad, but kind of
somewhere in between?  He seems really insensitive, but he's not trying to
kill her.  Like in DMP when he says she should be afraid, doesn't that seem
like a bad thing to say to a slayer in her mentally frail condition (even if
it was really her subconscious saying it)!  My final point is that maybe Angel
comes out of hell being not good, and not bad, but more insane?  Anyone else?
Thoughts?  Ideas?  Threats of violence?

Caren

Unofficial Keeper of the scream that used to be in the opening credits, but is
not in the new one.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:27:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: a mockingbird girl <dia@fidalgo.net>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Sunnydale Police/Jonathan

On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, dmw wrote:

> Also, was the guy eating the dip at the party Jonathan?

I think so.  I loved it how the camera just zoomed right to him and he was
all "Uhm...what?"  I can't wait to see where they put him next.

debbie =)

dia@fidalgo.net for the mail, webpage, and other misc. complaints =)



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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:28:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Jennifer McDonnell <q7t4@unb.ca>
Subject: BUFFY: DMP - favorite moments

I thought Dead Man's Party was great! My favorite moments:

- -Oz's hootenanny speech. Classic Oz!
- -Jonathan's back! Poor guy, just innocently eating Cordy's dip, and he
gets dragged into the nastiness.
- -Willows and Cordelia's awesome slaying moves. Did you see how they got
that vamp off Buffy and threw him against the wall??!?
- -I was so totally absorbed in all the character development in this ep,
that when the dead cat appeared, I thought "Oh yeah, I guess they need to throw
in some scary stuff."
- -I always thought of SMG as an adequate actress, but this season her
talent has really developed. I loved the part of the arguement where she
sobs: "Willow, please! I can't take this from you too."  Beautiful!
 
Not so great moments:
- -Xander. Willow's reaction was perfect, but his was way over-stated.
- -Pat (although I didn't think that she was Joyce's lover! What's up with
that, guys??)
- -I couldn't make out if Angel said "You should be scared" or "You
shouldn't be scared". Man, that boy mumbles!
- -I think we've been robbed of the scene of Buffy explaining to the gang
what happened with Angel. At the end, Willow said "I understand why
you left" which gave me the impression that Buffy had just told her the
whole story over coffee.

Just my $0.02,
Jen


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:41:03 EDT
From: Toph179@aol.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dead Man's Party and Big Picture Thoughts -- Long

In a message dated 10/7/98 7:51:26 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Tracyrr74@aol.com
writes:

<< It didn't seem like his appearance was
  contract obligation to me... it fit with every other big dream she's had
  since things started getting really hairy. >>



I know I will probably get a lot of grief for this BUT I think the reason
Buffy sees Angel in her dreams is because she, either consciously or
subconsciously, equates him with being always there to help her, to listen to
her, to fight with/for her.  Buffy loves Angel and still, on some level,
thinks of him as important in her life, even if only in her dreams. 


louise  

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:53:05 EDT
From: BuffySumr9@aol.com
Subject: BUFFY: DMP - Amazing Ep!

I thought this episode was amazing!  It's definitly up there IMHO!

It totally showed the heatbreak Buffy must have felt when she left Sunnydale.
It also showed the feelings of her friends, and how much they worried and
missed her.  

The shock on Xander's face when Buffy snuck up on him in the alley was
classic!  And Cordy's, "Hi Buffy" was appropriately placed!  Giles' mumblings
in the car on the way to Buffy's house was priceless!

I loved the scene where everybody attacked Buffy.  It's not that I enjoyed the
gang putting her down but, just like the Angel-bashing scene in "Becomming",
it had to be done.  They probably would not have been able to move on if they
had not all expressed their feelings.  Oh, and I loved when Cordy tried to
defend Buffy.  It shows just how much she has changed!  Loved the "Cordy - get
out of my shoes" line!

Amazing shots of when Buffy was in bed.  The three views, one after the other,
were done really well.  

I'd also like to say that the fighting scenes in "Anne" were done really well,
too.  It seems like the show has gotten a bigger budget so the special affects
are much better.

Well, enough of my ranting!  Can't wait for next week!  



Lots 'o Luv
Ash  :D
http://members.aol.com/SlayerSite/slayersite.html

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:01:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Monet <monet@arches.uga.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: Buffy: Party with the Zombies

I'm writing this without looking at any of the other posts for now, but I
just want to say how emotional this episode was.  True, it was a lot
slower than usual, but it just made the viewers feel Buffy's
frustration and pain much more. I mean, truthfully, the Slayerettes (well,
Willow and Xander) were extremely cold to her!  Brrr!

My favorite aspect of this episode is that Joss and TPTB finally showed a
show that I've always wanted: the friendship between Buffy and the
Slayerettes.  Wow, did it show!  What I didn't feel in "Anne" I definitely
felt in DMP, how much they missed Buffy and how it affected them.

My FAVORITE scene had to be when Buffy and Willow confronted each other.
I've never seen such emotion between the two, and it almost brought me to
tears.  Also, my heart started pounding when Joyce confronted Buffy in
front of everybody...ooo, how embarrassing was that?  

But MAN, OH, MAN, Xander really poured it on her!  I thought he was going
WAY overboard, calling her an idiot and pretty much throwing the Slayer
book at her.  I thought she was going to give him a nice hard punch for a
second there.  But then, I realize, Xander just acts that way when he's
hurt. Still, I can't help but feel is was way harsh!

Anyway, Giles did rock, but like I said, the best parts had to do with
Buffy and Willow.  That's the kind of stuff I like to see, to show just
how strong their friendship is. :)

	G:)

	===========================================================
	   Buffy:"So, probably go faster if we split up".
           Lily <nods>:"Can I come with you?"
  	   Buffy:"Okay, where did I lose you on the whole splitting 
		up thing?" (BtVS)
	===========================================================
                            monet@arches.uga.edu 


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:11:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: "   St. Greyson" <jcooper@cscu.csc.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: More Legal Problems?

Okay, the zombie guys all vaporized or were transported back to their
graves or whatever after the demon was killed, which neatly solves the
problem of having multiple corpses scattered around the house, but I'm
pretty sure I saw one of the zombies break one of the student's neck.  I
doubt *that* body would disappear.  Just another body to hide?  And how
about all the non-Scooby gang in the house when the zombies attacked.  I
know that Sunnydale students are used to seeing strange phenomena, but
hey, they're actually seeing the Slayer talk about demons (well, Cordy did
anyway) and vampires and show off her fighting skills.  Can she cover that
up?  Or is the show building to the point that she has to reveal her
occupation to the public?

Just my 2 cents.  ;)

Greyson
Greyson@tripod.net
http://members.tripod.com/~Greyson/




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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:14:47 -0700
From: Autumn Nazarian <alanazar@jasper.uor.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: re: attitudes

just wanted to mention, on the subject of personal growth- that last
year when Buffy came back and was horrible- it took a lot before any of
the gang felt they could say something.  It is good to see that she is
not "worshipped" anymore, and both Xander and willow now have enough
self-esteem and confidence to stand up to her, and state their case..


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:25:05 -0500
From: "Ryan Reid" <reid@lebpub.net>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: DMP--my .02

<<When she bailed, she put the lives of everyone she
purportedly cared about up for grabs.>>

No, i disagree... Who is left in Sunnydale to harm them? Angel is in Hell,
Spike and Dru are in God only knows where, and so the vampires should be
unusually quiet, just like last summer after the Master's death.  Buffy knew
things would be pretty quiet, which they were.

I know there are other 'dark forces' in sunnydale but nothing the rest of
the gang can't handle.  I do not view buffy's running away as wrong,
selfish, or stupid.

Ryan
Keeper of:
Cordelia's* yellow backless dress* (Becoming II).
Opening Credits for Season 3.
Joyce's Glass she threw in fight with Buffy (Becoming II)


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:30:57 EDT
From: Bjorkgirl8@aol.com
Subject: BUFFY: Nielsen question

 This is a really dumb question, but I just got the Nielsen "card" in the mail
saying I'll be able to participate for a week after they call and send me
whatever----- If i leave it on one station,(WB of course) will the box count
it??? I really want to support WB, but I was thinking maybe they would not
count my "votes." Please email me off list.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:45:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: tan3@cornell.edu
Subject: BUFFY: Mood Swings from Joss & co.

Man, Joss is the greatest. 

In the beginning of the ep., I felt so sory for Buffy.  I mean, she comes 
home after three months, and it looks like everyone's doing fine without 
her. The Slayerettes have been slaying, Mom's got a good friend to keep 
her company....basically, she feels like she wasn't missed. Sure, 
everyone *says* they missed her, but she's not slipping easily into a 
spot that was left vacent for her. She's trying hard to get back in with a 
bunch of people that have had lives and experiences without her. It's not 
an easy thing to do...try going away, like to college or vactioning or 
something for a bunch of months, and come back and see how you relate 
with your friends who have been together without you. This is without the 
anger/hurt/pain/generally neg. feelings that come from the fact that she 
left and didn't call or write or anything.

So, here I am feeling for Buffy, and we have that scene in the bedroom 
with Willow. Ok, now we are seeing that people were severely wounded when 
she left. Buffy didn't realize this before, but that's 'cause everyone 
was trying to play the "Ok, she's back so we can all get back to normal 
now, right?" game. Now, when she looks like she's going to leave again, 
people are going to take that pain and anger and general feelings of 
betrayal and throw them into her face, doubly so, since they were denied 
this chance the first time she left.

At this point, Joss has taken my feelings of pity for Buffy and totally 
transformed them into feelings of pain and righteousness and betrayal. 
How dare she leave again after all the pain and suffering she caused last 
time! I've never had a show manipulate me this completely. Joss, I am 
play-doh (TM) in your hands.

Also, the zombies were a really good thing, since I think they showed 
Joyce in no uncertain terms exactly what her daughter is up against. 
Also, it showed her that 9 times out of 10, Buffy isn't *looking* for 
trouble...she just seems to find it.

On a COMPLETELY different note, did anyone else feel like they recognized 
some of the corpses? Was the guy attacking Oz, Giles, and COrdy on the 
stairs the brother from SAR? Did anyone else see the cheerleader in 
Sunnydale High colors in the background? Cheers!

Tracey
tan3@cornell.edu
Keeper of the Cluelessness of the Rest of the School

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:57:25 -0400
From: "Matus, Mary E." <matus@roo.susqu.edu>
Subject: RE: BUFFY: Pat

I watched Caroline on Monday. Was Pat the one that kept arguing with
Caroline about moving the furniture? I didn't like her on Caroline
either. I'm glad she got killed on Buffy at least. :)

								Mary

>----------
>From: 	Douglas Carey[SMTP:data@gte.net]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, October 07, 1998 3:43 PM
>To: 	Ash or Shelley
>Cc: 	buffy@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: 	Re: BUFFY: Pat
>
>Ash or Shelley wrote:
>> 
>> >>did anyone else get suspicious of Pat (Joyce's
>> annoying friend) right away?  <<
>
>
>Yup.  I hated her from the very moment I saw her, because she reminded 
>me a lot of the character I saw her play on Caroline in the City on 
>Monday. *shivers*   
>
>Jennifer Carey
>data@gte.net
>
>-
>
>

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:10:09 -0400
From: "Matus, Mary E." <matus@roo.susqu.edu>
Subject: BUFFY: Buffy:Xander's behavior in DMP

	Well, I'm delurking again. This may become a habit for me. :)
	When I first watched DMP I was mad at Xander for being so sensitive.
The more, I think about it, though, the more I understand him.  The
reason everyone was so angry at Buffy wasn't just because she ran away
- -- it was because she didn't even try to contact anyone or confide in
anyone. She just assumed they wouldn't understand. Although I do think
Xander was being a little mean, I think he was just trying to get
everybody's feelings out in the open. That is what was starting to
happen by the end of the episode. Since they were interrupted in the
middle of their fight before they could get everything out in the open,
there may still be some tension, but at least Buffy has some idea about
how she hurt everybody, and her friends understand how upset and
confused she is. 

								Mary

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:06:54 EDT
From: CrzyBluSk8@aol.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Pat in Dead Man's Party

In a message dated 98-10-07 11:00:18 EDT, rohaly@iaw.com writes:

<< This is the Buffyverse and Pat is a three-letter name.  That generally
 spells trouble.  Witness Ken, Ted, Tom.  >>


Whose tom?


Anyway, I was like sure when Pat and Joyce were drinking, Joyce was going to
blurt out something like "It's been so hectic. Ever since I found out she's a
vampire slayer and all."

Summer

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 15:07:40 PDT
From: "Elka Priest" <elka_knits@hotmail.com>
Subject: BUFFY: Re: group hugs/Pat

Big foot in mouth.  Definitely a poor choice of term<G>.  I still stand 
by patness of ending because of how I view DMP.  In Anne the issue was I 
am not a slayer, I have no special skills, I cannot help you etc and 
ended with o.k I am the slayer and I'm going home instead of hiding from 
truth....a pat ending for issue at large.  Anne did not deal 
w/Angel[thank heavens], mom knowing about Slayage, Slayerettes in 
relation to Buffster, school or mayor.  DMP dealt with getting back in 
with group and school peripherally IMO and with Buffy and Willow in 
particular.  After all Buffy did not ask Zander why he was avoiding 
her[by swapping spit w/Cordy instead of talking to her face to face], 
she did not ask Giles why he was avoiding her[not entering kitchen with 
rest of group, ducking his head down and practically scurrying out of 
room w/patches], she did ask Willow why she was avoiding her... hmmm 
awkward sentence there.  So that was IMO the issue at large and they did 
end hugging and drinking coffee at Starbucks wannabe.  I used the term 
group hug because everybody was yelling at each other and accusing each 
other and looked like on the verge of violence until baddies showed up, 
Buffy saved the day, nobody is yelling, accusing, or being mean.  A 
general sense of peace for now.  Are there issues?   Of course but they 
were not the focus of this episode.  So for this issue we have a pat 
resolution.

My DH and I both thought something was up w/Joyce and Pat[maybe just on 
Pat's end].  I know of no women who act like that.  And her conversation 
w/Buffy was bizarre---to express a person's feeling[go spend some time 
w/your mom-she missed you]implies that a]you are close enough to be 
privy to such info and b]you are close enough to interfere in a family 
matter.  I would never tell one of my friends kids how to relate w/their 
parents [unless asked]and can't imagine anybody with the gall to do so 
unless they were dating one of the parents who in a perfect world would 
be separated or divorced or widowed.  

elka

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:10:19 EDT
From: CrzyBluSk8@aol.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY:  Dead Man's Awkward Party - Spoilers

In a message dated 98-10-07 11:27:04 EDT, RayneFire@aol.com writes:

<< I left this episode with a really disturbed feeling....mainly because of
the
 fight between Buffy and everyone else.  I think Joss worked really, really
 hard to make us feel for Buffy at the end of Becoming.  I completely
 understood why she had to leave.  All summer long, I kept saying to myself,
 "Poor Buffy".  So I have a hard time with the people closest to her *not*
 understanding.   >>


Does the gang even know why she left? I'd leave if I sent my boyfriend to
hell.


Summer

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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:25:08 -0500
From: NiK <panam@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dead Man's Party and Big Picture Thoughts -- Long

>I know I will probably get a lot of grief for this BUT I think the reason
>Buffy sees Angel in her dreams is because she, either consciously or
>subconsciously, equates him with being always there to help her, to listen to
>her, to fight with/for her. [snip]

I think the reason that Buffy sees Angel in her dreams is cuz Fox(?) payed
David Boreanaz big $$$ to be in every episode.  Therefore they're going to
use him in each one.

- -NiK
 panam@mail.execpc.com

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:35:37 EDT
From: Nala2400@aol.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: just a question

In a message dated 10/7/98 4:02:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Dawson9227@aol.com writes:

<<  remember that buffy burned down her other school but was their vamps
 involved in that ? >>

Yes, Vamps were involved, I don't remember exactly, but I believe it was
during the prom or school dance at the gym.  I only saw the movie once on
cable. 

Later Slayers

Betty (AKA Nala)
- -Keeper of  Buffy's Grace (Nightmares), Buffy's lavender slip on shoes (IM=
G),
The building that Angel's loft is in, Angel's dog collar, Xander=92s jealo=
usy of
any guy staying at Buffy=92s house (IMG), Xander=92s love spell circle (BB=
B),
Xander=92s sexy torn-up shirt (IOHEFY), Willow's ironic way of "scoring at=
 the
Bronze" (WttH), Willow's much sought after tutoring skills (WttH), Giles'
"Black Chronicles" (Prophesy Girl) - GASPer, SHS Driving Class car (The
Witch), SHS's Sign.
- -Member of the Slayer's Circle
- -Member of BuffyFans
- -Member of the Buffy Crew & SWAT (Angel)


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:45:53 EDT
From: Nala2400@aol.com
Subject: Re: BUFFY: Dead Man's Party and Big Picture Thoughts -- Long

In a message dated 10/7/98 6:24:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
panam@mail.execpc.com writes:

<< I think the reason that Buffy sees Angel in her dreams is cuz Fox(?) pa=
yed
 David Boreanaz big $$$ to be in every episode.  Therefore they're going t=
o
 use him in each one >>

In different articles I have read, they have stated DB will be back in Buf=
fy,
not just as a small appearance, like he has been doing.  Somehow Angel wil=
l
come back from Hell, when or how I don't know??????

Later Slayers

Betty (AKA Nala)
- -Keeper of  Buffy's Grace (Nightmares), Buffy's lavender slip on shoes (IM=
G),
The building that Angel's loft is in, Angel's dog collar, Xander=92s jealo=
usy of
any guy staying at Buffy=92s house (IMG), Xander=92s love spell circle (BB=
B),
Xander=92s sexy torn-up shirt (IOHEFY), Willow's ironic way of "scoring at=
 the
Bronze" (WttH), Willow's much sought after tutoring skills (WttH), Giles'
"Black Chronicles" (Prophesy Girl) - GASPer, SHS Driving Class car (The
Witch), SHS's Sign.
- -Member of the Slayer's Circle
- -Member of BuffyFans
- -Member of the Buffy Crew & SWAT (Angel)


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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:04:33 -0500
From: Clark and Erin Hutton <cah@firefly.vscc.cc.tn.us>
Subject: BUFFY: Giles and Buffy

< As far as Giles and Joyce-they both love Buffy no matter what.  Giles
hasn't really unleashed yet, but I think that we'll see that come out
later>

	I disagree.  I think that of all involved, Giles will be the one to let
it go.  After all, he is the only one (besides Buffy) that understands
what it's like to have the immense pressure of a predetermined destiny. 
Let us not forget that Giles had his period of "running away"- rock
bands, demon channeling, etc.  Though he has the advantage of hindsight
and thus knows that Buffy's actions were less than wise, I truly believe
that he understands her need for flight.  I expect Giles to be
completely honest, yet completely supportive.  

"I, for one, am just glad that she's home."  

I thinks he's said all he needs to say.

Erin

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