From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #528 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Sunday, October 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 528 In this issue: Re: Re: BUFFY: F,H,&T Flubs Re: BUFFY: pronunciation time BUFFY: MTV Rock n' Jock BUFFY: Whistler Sighting BUFFY: Re: In Memory of Xander, Jr. Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! Re: BUFFY: MTV Rock n' Jock BUFFY: pronunciation time BUFFY: Nicholas on Loveline? BUFFY: F, H, & T comments Re: BUFFY: F, H, & T comments BUFFY: FanFic Re: Re: BUFFY: F,H,&T Flubs Re: BUFFY: Well! BUFFY: Faith, Hope, and Trick BUFFY: Faith, Hope, and Trick Re: BUFFY: Faith, Hope, and Trick BUFFY: Re: buffy-digest V2 #527 BUFFY: thanx BUFFY: Scott Hope (Was: Faith, Hope, and Trick) Re: BUFFY: Faith as a vamp BUFFY: Longer Promo for Beauties and the Beast Re: BUFFY: Scott Hope (Was: Faith, Hope, and Trick) BUFFY: BtVS fan Re: BUFFY: Faith, Hope, and Trick BUFFY: Faith becoming a vamp See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:28:26 -0400 From: Jeff Rohaly Subject: Re: Re: BUFFY: F,H,&T Flubs At 13:58 1998-10-17 EDT, Alverdine@aol.com wrote: > ... Buffy tells them all about the Three in "Angel" right before Giles tells >them that they (the Three) would now offer their lives to the Master in >penance-- why not pick somebody they could all agree had been >difficult, like say, the Master? My guess is that David Greenwalt -- the writer of F,H&T -- felt like referencing one of his earlier episodes. He also wrote Angel, in which The Three appear, and so I would hope that he would remember that he didn't have Buffy kill them. So Buffy is thrown for a loop about being asked who her toughest kill is, she can't tell the truth -- and say it was Angel -- and so Greenwalt has her blurt out The Three. She's trying to avoid saying Angel and so she just says something. By the way, David Greenwalt also wrote last year's pivotal third episode, School Hard, in which the major villain(s) of the season were introduced. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 13:32:03 PDT From: "Hugh Glen" Subject: Re: BUFFY: pronunciation time >How do you pronounce the last name of the Faith girl, and also the >correct pronunciation of Sarah's last name? Thanks. I don't know about Faith (I haven't seen the ep yet ) cuz' it's on tonight (YAHHHHHH!), but the correct pronunciation of Sarah's last name is Gell (as in hell) ar (as in are). I remember reading an interview one time where she joked about the fact that even she has started pronouncing it wrong because everyone around her (Hollywood and all) does. --Keeper of the wiggins, the happy, and the wacky (which I really need right now); keeper of Willow's 'deputy' laugh; AMSG creator (Angel's back?!? Hee Hee Fun time...) --Hugh Glen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:07:17 -0700 From: jim Subject: BUFFY: MTV Rock n' Jock Hello all, David Boreanaz and Nicholas Brendon are both on MTV's Rock n' Jock Basketball Game all this weekend. It will be played several times. My brother also said they had a quick interview with them both during the game. Just wanted everyone to know and since I didn't see it, I'll be tuning in too. Jill Keeper of Buffy's goodbye note Keeper of Xander's concern for Willow's health - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:28:48 EDT From: Rmkhnk@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Whistler Sighting I haven't seen this mentioned yet.... I think I saw our boy Whistler in the video to "Naked Eye" by Lucious Jackson. I wonder if he has a connection to the band. I must admit I am totally out of the loop when it comes to these new bands and videos etc. Yes, that's right *My name is Rachel and I am a buffyatric.* Rachel. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:39:23 EDT From: fun-ee@juno.com (fun ee) Subject: BUFFY: Re: In Memory of Xander, Jr. Lisa Rose didst psychoanalyze: >Seriously, I think you've gone off the deep end, funee (joining me, >of course). Xander, Jr. has already been been placed in the protective >custody of a foster parent at the Monster Adoption Site at: In Memoriam Sad is the story of Xander Jr. After birth his life cut short no sooner But if ever there was a prince Among eggs no finer ever since Than Prince Xander Jr. I'm glad someone has been taking care of Xander, Jr. I have gone off the deep end many times and it is quite fun and refreshing. The deepest end I've ever gone into was around 12 feet. We used to pick up pennies off the bottom of the pool. How deep is your pool? funee (: ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 20:12:40 -0400 From: ~Ripe Wicked Plum~ Subject: Re: BUFFY: Re: Well! > >In a message dated 10/16/98 10:21:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >Arakzile@aol.com writes: > > > lol, they bathe...I remember that after that one episode where Angel > >and > >Buffy were under the influence of those two lovers who killed each > >otha, Angel Well, this isn't about the bathing thing (I personally believe that they bathe, not out of necessity, but habit. I take a shower daily, not because I'm icky, but I just like to.) but more on the drinking/eating thing... from Domain of the Slain's Written, not Scene section..."Lie to Me" *=lines cut from the script. In the Bronze, during Buffy and Angel's conversation at the bar ANGEL: Hey. I was hoping you'd show. BUFFY: You drink? Drinks? I mean, non-blood things. *ANGEL: Yeah. I eat, too. Not for nutritional value -- it just kind of passes the *time. *BUFFY: Oh. Who knew. ANGEL: There's a lot about me you don't know. BUFFY: I believe that. ~Ripe Wicked Plum~ - -- Goth Spike/ICQ=2607806/Member:Spike Girls/Spike4Sexiest/Spike's Minions/Spuffy/Spike's Sweeties (#2)/SOOA[Major General (#5)]/I'm Spike's Ducks/Pres. and founder of the Leo is a Bloody Whelp Club/Keeper of Spike's terms of endearment and his gloves/Guardian of Spike's humanity, his amusement at Buffy's Hallowe'en costume, and his ability to swallow his pride and help Buffy/Keeper of Dru's spiffy wardrobe and her bruises/ Guardian of Dru's gothness and her fondness for Rasputina. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:06:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Cho Yuk Subject: Re: BUFFY: MTV Rock n' Jock I was flipping past the channel, when I saw them briefly being interviewed by Ananda. Both were in green jerseys and they joked about Nick still being in cords and flip-flops. They did say something that as white as they were, they felt confident about they're game. They introduced a video, but I don't remember the name. I'm sure folks can catch it over the weekend. Susan syuk@gwu.edu - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:13:40 EDT From: CherryRed6@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: pronunciation time >How do you pronounce the last name of the Faith girl, and also the >correct pronunciation of Sarah's last name? Thanks. *well, as for smg's last name, everyone pronounces it--geller. however, according to sarah, gellar is really pronounced gell-"are". alright, take care. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:35:59 EDT From: TiaraLynne@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Nicholas on Loveline? Someone wrote to the list the other day and said that Nicholas Brendan was going to be on Loveline on friday. Was that this Friday, becasue he wasn't on it. Did this happen to anyone else??? Or am I just stupid and read it wrong, and it was suppose to be next Friday?? ~Tiara - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:04:52 PDT From: "Hugh Glen" Subject: BUFFY: F, H, & T comments OK, I just saw Faith (yeah, I know, late again. GRRRRRRR). I liked it and here's why: Willow kicked butt! She continues to develop, and, in true Buffy style, Joss isn't doing it in a quick, half-assed way. She's "going through a lot, dating, witchcraft..." but she's still naive (in that same sweet way) as shown with the whole "seniors off-campus thing". Sweet, cute, sexy, and redheaded, what more could we want?!? The Snyder thing ruled. I am soooooo dying to find out about the mayor and stuff. What's up Snyder's butt??? I want to know! More amazing dialogue, with a lot of weird Hollywood/California stereotype stuff (5 X 5). Cool interaction as well Oz continues to impress. Cordelia looked sooooo hot! Wow, if only I could... well never mind! Faith was cool. Yeah she had a nasty 'tude, but I think she earned it, watching her Watcher (I did a funny) get shredded in front of her. Cool new vamp guy-- Master Trick. Forget all that talk about being a black servant; he rocks! He's got attitude, style, and is hungry (I did it again!). Angel's back?!? OK, so I'm NOT cool with this, but hey, hundreds of women all over the world are just ecstatic. Besides, it has potential, especially considering we can kill him all over again :-) All in all it was AN AMAZING EP!!! Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain 'ol wrong. I just hope the rest of the season keeps up to (or, dare we dream, gets even better than) the first three eps. We could be so lucky. --Keeper of the wacky, the wiggins, and the happy; Keeper of Willow's 'deputy' laugh (damn she's fine) and AMSG creator. --Hugh Glen ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:12:18 -0400 From: Jeff Rohaly Subject: Re: BUFFY: F, H, & T comments At 19:04 1998-10-17 PDT, Hugh Glen wrote: > OK, I just saw Faith (yeah, I know, late again. GRRRRRRR). I liked >it and here's why: For anyone who watched the episode on YTV in Canada tonight, they edited the infamous shot of Angel at the end of the episode. They only took out about 1 or 2 seconds, but it's the 1 or 2 seconds that I assume some people would be interested in seeing. This is only the second time I can remember YTV editing an episode and the only one that I'm sure they did on purpose, given YTV's stature as a children's and youth network. The other editing was of Welcome to the Hellmouth, when they took out a couple of Buffy's lines when she is looking in the mirror to see what outfit she wants to wear to The Bronze. The edited lines were something to the effect of "Hi, I'm an enormous slut" and then "Hello, would you like a copy of The Watchtower". But that stuff was right after a commercial so it might have been inadvertent. >The Snyder thing ruled. I am soooooo dying to find out about the mayor >and stuff. What's up Snyder's butt??? I want to know! Continuing in my nit-picky vein, the voice on the intercom saying that Snyder had a call from the Mayor must have been a last-minute addition. It's not in the closed-captioning. And if you watch closely, Snyder really doesn't react to this voice-over so maybe the actor didn't even know this would be added at the time they shot the scene. Maybe they just figured later that they should throw in another Mayor reference in this episode to keep us thinking. >Cordelia looked sooooo hot! No arguments here. I read the article about Charisma in this month's Fit magazine. She's on the cover. In any case, she does confirm -- if we actually needed confirmation at this point -- that she is leaving Buffy after this season to go over to Angel. Since I felt cheap and just sat in Chapters -- Canada's equivalent of Barnes & Noble -- and read the article without buying the magazine, I don't have it in front of me. But she says something to the effect that she's trying to spend more time with the cast off the set this year, Aly and SMG in particular, since she won't be seeing as much of them after she switches series. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:43:50 -0300 From: slayerqueen@juno.com (jodie m bastarache) Subject: BUFFY: FanFic If anyone ever has any Fanfic that they want to send me Feel free.I love to read fanfic.so if anyone ever wants to... Jodie ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:36:40 -0400 From: tedjmill@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: BUFFY: F,H,&T Flubs Alverdine@aol.com (Friday, October 16, 1998 10:33 AM): >Yeah but with all the difficult kills Buffy has had (The Master, Luke, >Machida, the Judge, Moloch, etc. . .) couldn't she have picked one she >actually killed? I mean, she barely even fought the Three before Angel >jumped in saved her butt and they ran. I think it's a flub. It could be a deliberate bit of psychology, as a kind of Freudian slip on Buffy's part. The Three are the ones whose actions led to Buffy finding out that Angel was a vampire. The Three made Angel a vampire, in a way; not literally, but in terms of Buffy's knowing it. Subconsciously Buffy might feel that if it wasn't for the Three, Angel would still be a mysterious stranger, not a vampire who she was forced to kill. So when Buffy thought of killing Angel as her toughest kill but couldn't say that, she did a subconscious "I't's not MY fault I killed Angel, it's, um, the Three's fault, 'cause they started it" and she picked them as her toughest kill, even though in actuality she hadn't killed them. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 07:31:54 -0400 From: tedjmill@mindspring.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Well! s.perez@mindspring.com Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 11:19 PM >bottom line, if you tried to form a slayer army then eventually the >slayer supply would run out. then if the vamps take out big numbers of >slayers you'd have no replacements, which is a bad plan Hence a plot idea: What if vampires started targeting potential Slayers? Locate the girls who could become Slayer if the current one is killed, and kill them while they don't yet have full Slayer abilities and are thus easier targets. With enough success, when the current Slayer dies, there won't be a new Slayer. Or at least an unsuitable Slayer: one without the usual Slayer potential, or a six-year-old, or a middle-aged Slayer with two kids (one who had Slayer potential, but never needed to be called before). creating a Slayerless world. Or perhaps the new Slayer would be - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: IWatchBuffy@webtv.net (Mica Vincent) Subject: BUFFY: Faith, Hope, and Trick It took me a little longer on this episode, which I guess is a good thing. First of all, will we ever get a new slayer without an accent? Have you ever noticed how different Buffy fans are? It's really weird. a.) There are the fans that think every episode is cool as a whole, they don't really appreciate the small things, they are the "ignorant" fans b.) The fans comitted to Buffy/Angel. They saw the adds and they're hooked. They are easily influenced people who stick by this couple to any extent. Unfortunately, this category includes those little twits that always manage to yell in all caps "BUFFY AND ANGEL FOREVER MAN THEY LOVE EACH OTHER THEY BELONG TOGETHER THIS IS THE BEST SHOW ON EARTH!!!!!" c.) The guys that watch just to see Sarah Michelle Gellar's tank tops. d.) Believe it or not, I have coaxed friends into loving BtVS for the sole purpose of Seth Green. e.) Fans emotionally attached to the show, that cry along with Buffy and dream about David Boreanaz (the girls anyway...I hope....) and really do need to realize it's only a show but they are hooked, and Joss knows it. f.) People who look at the clock at 8:37, and go, "Woa, Buffy's on right now." g.) The people who watch just to see what kind of monsters they create and don't give a damn about angst or humor h.) The rest. Well, OK, the people that watch, enjoy, maybe buy the calandar... Now that I have *that* off my chest, we can move on to one of the best acted episodes ever. I hope Joss gives Faith and Buffy a lot of one-on-one time. I wanted Buffy to explain how she used the rocket laucher. I wanted her to relate her experience with Angel to Faith's situation. Was I the only one pounding the floor with my feet when Buffy was in the apartment with faith, saying, "deal and move on." I could really care less about the Faith/new slayer situation. To me, that was the B-story. I only really cared about the last 4 minutes, and Buffy's interaction with Scott. i do mean that, because SMG's acting and the whole thing was just what I have been waiting for for 9 months for the scene, where Buffy puts the ring down, and says "Goodbye." I was SOoooooo happy when she finally told Willow and Giles. Perfectly said, acted, worded, perfect reactions, perfect timing, great time, great lead in from Faith's situation. I just, loved it. When she says, "He just held me, " and then she realizes she shouldn't speak so angsty, so she moves on and says, "I told him I loved him and I kissed him...and I killed him," it's really cool the way all the words come together. It's also her telling her self "it was too late...and...i had to", that it wasn't her fault. THat might help for Angel's return, although I don't think he's gonna give a damn whether she blames herself or not, espically after what he's been through. I just loved the whole interaction, how she was so fluttered when Scott asked her to dance. I just love this episode, not because of Faith, really. I have nothing against her or the new slayer storyline but BUffy's dealing and moving on and letting go and telling Giles and Willow about Angel was just so touching and heart-wrenching. The tactic of starting another episode with the ending of another is used again, kind of like they did during Lie to Me/Halloween/Dark Age. If you've read any Sweet Valley High books you'll know what I'm talking aobut. And the end of each book of the series, they have about 2 paragraphs that jumpstart the next book. It's like a something that goes "And just as she walked out, Angel fell out of hell... To find out what happens next, read book #54..." I think it's gonna be affective. That and the WB's awareness that they can't *only* promote Felecity (I wonder if that has anything to do with the ratings...hmmm...note sarcasm...) I was talking to my friend today and I'm like, "you remember what I was telling you about Buffy sending Angel to Hell? Well, next week he's back.", and she's all, "yeah I know, I saw a comercial for it." Which, like, rocks, because the WB has been forgetting, i think, to promote the best show on earth. They did OK to promote the first ep of the season, but then it went down hill. Hopefully, now, with Angel back, they'll catch on. Can someone answer a question for me...? I know I already asked this a while ago and someone explained it and I understood but I forgot. How is it that vampires rise from the grave? What the hell are they doing to Cordelia's character? All that progress they made last season, and now what do we have? A babbling jealous inconsiderate stupid inconsistent idiot that says 'buffy killed angel' in some horribly despicably cruel way when it doesn't seem logical for her to say it, like the writers just throw it in cuz' they want her to seem mean. Cordy has always been a strong-willed, powerful character, I really hate what Joss is doing to her. I am really mad at Xander and Oz and Willow right now. How dare them interupt Buffy. I love what Buffy said. "I'm just getting my life back. I don't want to go half-sies." Which is what it seemed like, especially since the three of them plus Joyce treated Buffy like crap in this episode. Yay, Giles. I love what they're doing with him this season. He is so cool. I mean, making up a "spell" just to get Buffy to come out with her feelings and let go a little bit was really cool. And Joyce! What a bitca! "Buffy's so negative!" I mean, please, this episode, besides the faith/buffy buffy/scott and buffy letting go scenes really pissed me off. OK, I see the theme of everyone not caring about Buffy a little bit, just cuz there's a new, interesting person in town that tells good stories. But the way everyone except Giles treated Buffy was a piece of crap. I loved, however, how Faith noticed that Buffy was wound up. Because she was, i mean, she was forced to kill the person she loved. Wouldn't you be wound up? OK, those are my thoughts. ~Mica P.S. Faith is the new slayer, Mr. Trick was that "hello, darkness" dude, but who's Hope? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 23:02:55 -0700 (PDT) From: IWatchBuffy@webtv.net (Mica Vincent) Subject: BUFFY: Faith, Hope, and Trick It took me a little longer on this episode, which I guess is a good thing. First of all, will we ever get a new slayer without an accent? Have you ever noticed how different Buffy fans are? It's really weird. a.) There are the fans that think every episode is cool as a whole, they don't really appreciate the small things, they are the "ignorant" fans b.) The fans comitted to Buffy/Angel. They saw the adds and they're hooked. They are easily influenced people who stick by this couple to any extent. Unfortunately, this category includes those little twits that always manage to yell in all caps "BUFFY AND ANGEL FOREVER MAN THEY LOVE EACH OTHER THEY BELONG TOGETHER THIS IS THE BEST SHOW ON EARTH!!!!!" c.) The guys that watch just to see Sarah Michelle Gellar's tank tops. d.) Believe it or not, I have coaxed friends into loving BtVS for the sole purpose of Seth Green. e.) Fans emotionally attached to the show, that cry along with Buffy and dream about David Boreanaz (the girls anyway...I hope....) and really do need to realize it's only a show but they are hooked, and Joss knows it. f.) People who look at the clock at 8:37, and go, "Woa, Buffy's on right now." g.) The people who watch just to see what kind of monsters they create and don't give a damn about angst or humor h.) The rest. Well, OK, the people that watch, enjoy, maybe buy the calandar... Now that I have *that* off my chest, we can move on to one of the best acted episodes ever. I hope Joss gives Faith and Buffy a lot of one-on-one time. I wanted Buffy to explain how she used the rocket laucher. I wanted her to relate her experience with Angel to Faith's situation. Was I the only one pounding the floor with my feet when Buffy was in the apartment with faith, saying, "deal and move on." I could really care less about the Faith/new slayer situation. To me, that was the B-story. I only really cared about the last 4 minutes, and Buffy's interaction with Scott. i do mean that, because SMG's acting and the whole thing was just what I have been waiting for for 9 months for the scene, where Buffy puts the ring down, and says "Goodbye." I was SOoooooo happy when she finally told Willow and Giles. Perfectly said, acted, worded, perfect reactions, perfect timing, great time, great lead in from Faith's situation. I just, loved it. When she says, "He just held me, " and then she realizes she shouldn't speak so angsty, so she moves on and says, "I told him I loved him and I kissed him...and I killed him," it's really cool the way all the words come together. It's also her telling her self "it was too late...and...i had to", that it wasn't her fault. THat might help for Angel's return, although I don't think he's gonna give a damn whether she blames herself or not, espically after what he's been through. I just loved the whole interaction, how she was so fluttered when Scott asked her to dance. I just love this episode, not because of Faith, really. I have nothing against her or the new slayer storyline but BUffy's dealing and moving on and letting go and telling Giles and Willow about Angel was just so touching and heart-wrenching. The tactic of starting another episode with the ending of another is used again, kind of like they did during Lie to Me/Halloween/Dark Age. If you've read any Sweet Valley High books you'll know what I'm talking aobut. And the end of each book of the series, they have about 2 paragraphs that jumpstart the next book. It's like a something that goes "And just as she walked out, Angel fell out of hell... To find out what happens next, read book #54..." I think it's gonna be affective. That and the WB's awareness that they can't *only* promote Felecity (I wonder if that has anything to do with the ratings...hmmm...note sarcasm...) I was talking to my friend today and I'm like, "you remember what I was telling you about Buffy sending Angel to Hell? Well, next week he's back.", and she's all, "yeah I know, I saw a comercial for it." Which, like, rocks, because the WB has been forgetting, i think, to promote the best show on earth. They did OK to promote the first ep of the season, but then it went down hill. Hopefully, now, with Angel back, they'll catch on. Can someone answer a question for me...? I know I already asked this a while ago and someone explained it and I understood but I forgot. How is it that vampires rise from the grave? What the hell are they doing to Cordelia's character? All that progress they made last season, and now what do we have? A babbling jealous inconsiderate stupid inconsistent idiot that says 'buffy killed angel' in some horribly despicably cruel way when it doesn't seem logical for her to say it, like the writers just throw it in cuz' they want her to seem mean. Cordy has always been a strong-willed, powerful character, I really hate what Joss is doing to her. I am really mad at Xander and Oz and Willow right now. How dare them interupt Buffy. I love what Buffy said. "I'm just getting my life back. I don't want to go half-sies." Which is what it seemed like, especially since the three of them plus Joyce treated Buffy like crap in this episode. Yay, Giles. I love what they're doing with him this season. He is so cool. I mean, making up a "spell" just to get Buffy to come out with her feelings and let go a little bit was really cool. And Joyce! What a bitca! "Buffy's so negative!" I mean, please, this episode, besides the faith/buffy buffy/scott and buffy letting go scenes really pissed me off. OK, I see the theme of everyone not caring about Buffy a little bit, just cuz there's a new, interesting person in town that tells good stories. But the way everyone except Giles treated Buffy was a piece of crap. I loved, however, how Faith noticed that Buffy was wound up. Because she was, i mean, she was forced to kill the person she loved. Wouldn't you be wound up? OK, those are my thoughts. ~Mica P.S. Faith is the new slayer, Mr. Trick was that "hello, darkness" dude, but who's Hope? - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 02:40:35 EDT From: SXorceress@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Faith, Hope, and Trick In a message dated 10/17/98 11:04:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time, IWatchBuffy@webtv.net writes: > P.S. Faith is the new slayer, Mr. Trick was that "hello, darkness" > dude, but who's Hope? Hope is scott. that's his last name - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:38:41 -0500 From: raoul1@advant.com (Kluge, Deborah) Subject: BUFFY: Re: buffy-digest V2 #527 > things are now just plain old. If a new slayer is called every time one dies, > there's no risk for humanity. I have to wonder if Buffy "died" again if another slayer *would* be called. The inference I get from the every generation bit is that there is only one slayer at a time (usually), and the passing of the generation occurs when the current slayer dies rather than being tied to a set number of years. It is her death that triggers the activation of the next slayer and who that person is, is probably preordained in some way. It would explain why Watchers continuously monitor likely girls, but also how a ringer like Buffy could exist. If that's true, then Buffy's successor was Kendra. If Buffy were to die now, I don't think a new slayer would arise because her successor has already been called and has died. And that would mean that there will only be two slayers in the world as long as Buffy is alive. As far as the idea of two slayers being a problem, I actually kinda like the concept. I'll agree that story-wise, having two of them can be a bit much sometimes, but what appeals to me is the idea that for all the generations there have been slayers, this has evidently never happened before. That means the Watchers can be caught up short, too. Surprise, surprise . . . a new quirk. And because Faith is the only one in a position to really understand the pressures on Buffy, it also provides for a whole range of things that couldn't happen any other way. Like, what happens if Mr. Trick catches Faith and manages to turn her into a vampire? Not only do we have a girl whose training and natural skills matches Buffy's, but we also have Faith now being a "living" example of Buffy's own nightmares! Yeah, I think there could be possibilities here . . . - -- Debbie Kluge From all journeys, be they imaginative or geographic, the most important souvenirs to be collected are the reminders that people's lives are fortified by family and friends; by our ability to create our lives like creating a piece of art; and by our efforts to reconcile our material needs with the importance of our connections to each other. ***** Loreena McKennitt - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:34:41 -0500 From: wparris Subject: BUFFY: thanx Have you ever noticed how different Buffy fans are? It's really weird. a.) There are the fans that think every episode is cool as a whole, they don't really appreciate the small things, they are the "ignorant" fans i really like to be called ignorant.....i think these fans are the real fans....where the ones who actually appreciate the show and dont nitpick at everything and get into fights about lame topics that come about...we just enjoy the show for what it is and dont bash it because we know where glad to have it on the air - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:28:21 EDT From: Alverdine@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Scott Hope (Was: Faith, Hope, and Trick) In a message dated 10/18/98 6:43:52 AM, you wrote: <> I know some on this list suspect that Scott is some sort of demon, monster, or something else that Buffy will have to slay but am I the only one hoping this will happen? I guess it's the Buffy/Angel lover in me but I'm just not ready to see her with another guy and, in all honesty, I'm not ready for another new member of the Scooby Gang (Kendra's words keep screeching through my mind:"Did no one ever explain to you what secret identity means?") cuz you know if he's around her long enough he'll have to find out. Besides there is something just a little too nice about him. It's like Ford, he was too nice in the beginning, too ready to be a part of Buffy's life and he turned into a Vamp-Wannabe and she had to sly him. I'm just hoping he turns out to be working for the Mayor or at least a robot Scott a la Ted. Kelly - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:31:01 EDT From: VampGrl22@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Faith as a vamp In a message dated 98-10-18 10:43:18 EDT, raoul1@advant.com writes: << Like, what happens if Mr. Trick catches Faith and manages to turn her into a vampire? Not only do we have a girl whose training and natural skills matches Buffy's, but we also have Faith now being a "living" example of Buffy's own nightmares! Yeah, I think there could be possibilities here . . . >> I agree completly. I think that this is a real possibiliy for what to do with Faith. I don't think that Joss will keep her around as a permenant member of the gang, just as he didn't with Kendra, but since Faith's watcher is dead, I'm not really sure where he could ship her off to. Having Faith get vamped is a terrific idea, we would get to see who really was stronger. But it also sets up a whole other Buffy and Angel type situation, maybe they could work up a spell and restore the Faith-vamp's soul... I think that this would be a good way to get rid of her eventually, but I think that if she was vamped, ANOTHER slayer would just be called and we'd end up right back where we started. VampGirl Keeper of Willow's interrogation techniques (GF), Xander's design plans for the very tiny fence he believed Buffy was buliding (WttH), Joyce's industrial strength detergent (for getting the blood out of Buffy's clothes), Dru's "Angel always knows what speaks to a girl's heart," (BBB), Xander's "Oh yea baby, its snake-o-licious in here (IOHEFY), Giles' weapons cabinet in the library, adoptive mother to fishman Gage (GF), owner of 250 shares of David Boreanz, BRLQ #67, GASPer - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:35:40 EDT From: Alverdine@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Longer Promo for Beauties and the Beast I just saw a new promo for Beauties and the Beast on the preview channele here in Toledo (they run a lot of WB ads here) and it's a got a little more info in it than the one they originally aired on the WB (The whole "Angel Is Back" one) and I was wondering if anybody else had seen it. Buffy tells someone (I'm thinking it was Giles) that she had a dream that Angel was back and the annnouncer says "The dreaming is over. . ." and you see Buffy find Angel in the woods and chain him up in the mansion while Giles does a voice over saying something along the lines of "It takes a strong and powerful personality to survive the torment he must have endured". There's also a little clip where it looks like Angel throws Buffy down. And then the announcer says "Angel returns next week on an all new Buffy". Did anybody else see this? Alverdine a.ka. Kelly Alverdine@aol.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:48:42 EDT From: VampGrl22@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Scott Hope (Was: Faith, Hope, and Trick) In a message dated 98-10-18 14:34:21 EDT, Alverdine@aol.com writes: << Kendra's words keep screeching through my mind:"Did no one ever explain to you what secret identity means?") cuz you know if he's around her long enough he'll have to find out. >> I have been wondering about this myself. Would she have to tell him if they started dating? My guess is that even if she didn't actually tell him, he would find out soon enough anyways. In LTM, remember, she is walking with Ford and goes to kill a vamp, she makes up some lame story about cats fighting to explain the noise, but he isnt convinced (OK, bad example since he already knew she was the Slayer, but something similar came about with Owen.) This is why the perfect guy for Buffy is Angel. Didn't Cordelia say something in an ep this season about how the only guy that Buffy could date would be someone who is just as freaky as she is? I agree with her. The gang has enough members already to add more regular people. Buffy needs to be with someone who can really understand her. Someone like Angel. Or Spike. :) VampGirl...ducking and running - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:05:38 EDT From: Rmkhnk@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: BtVS fan On E! News Weekend they asked various stars what their favorite t.v. programs were. They only showed a few people answering the question and one was Christina Ricci. And she said BtVS, that she is totally obsessed with it. I just thought that it was cool that *our* (I'm very possessive) show was mentioned. Rachel. - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:31:47 PDT From: "Steve Brown" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Faith, Hope, and Trick >a.) There are the fans that think every episode is cool as a whole, they >don't really appreciate the small things, they are the "ignorant" fans Normally, I would not even respond to this, but I don't like being called "ignorant". I don't nitpick every episode because I don't think it is necessary, but I like reading the posts from people who do notice the little things. I watch a show where I think every episode is cool. If I didn't think that every episode is cool, I would not watch the show or be on this list. Other than that, I think this person had a lot of good things to say. I don't think I agree with them all the way, though. So, please don't call people names. Let's keep this list civil. Thanks. Steve B., a Buffyatric (you and sah are not alone, Jill) Official Keeper of Xander's love of a good diatribe -LTM ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 12:35:56 PDT From: "Steve Brown" Subject: BUFFY: Faith becoming a vamp Mr. Trick catches Faith >and manages to turn her into a vampire? I think with all that is involved with making someone a vampire that a slayer would not succumb to the temptation. It would have to be a very well written story and give some reason why Faith would let herself be turned into a vampire. I don't think it is over Joss' head to write such a story, though. Interesting concept. I wonder if Joss is secretly on this list and sees these things? Steve B., a Buffyatric (you and sah are not alone, Jill) Official Keeper of Xander's love of a good diatribe -LTM ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #528 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)