From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #577 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Wednesday, November 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 577 In this issue: BUFFY: the Wish--not a spoiler BUFFY: new article Re: BUFFY: talking 'bout some revelations BUFFY: Angel and Tai chi chuan BUFFY: revelations Re: BUFFY: talking 'bout some revelations BUFFY: Giles and Willow/Xander Re: BUFFY: Giles and Willow/Xander BUFFY: "Revelations" and it's intricacies... BUFFY: Review--"Revelations" **SPOILERS!!** BUFFY: What's missing from Buffy. Re: BUFFY: "Revelations" and it's intricacies... BUFFY: Episode Lists Re: BUFFY: talking 'bout some revelations BUFFY: Revelations Re: BUFFY: talking 'bout some revelations Re: BUFFY: re: Revelations Re: BUFFY: re: Revelations Re: BUFFY: Buffy VS Demon fight Re: BUFFY: re: Revelations BUFFY: Watcher council BUFFY: SPOLIER about Lover's Walk Re: BUFFY: Buffy VS Demon fight Re: BUFFY: re: Revelations BUFFY: Faith's Watcher - Kristy Swanson BUFFY: Re: season2 vs season 3 Re: BUFFY: Lover's Walk question. See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:44:36 EST From: Alverdine@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: the Wish--not a spoiler Does anyone know when "The Wish" will air? I heard it was the Christmas episode but then I heard that the X-Mas one delt with an entirely different story. There is a rerun of "Anne" 12-01-98 Kelly aka Alverdine - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:11:31 -0500 From: genevieve@gist.com (Genevieve Faulkner) Subject: BUFFY: new article Hey guys. I wrote a new Butty thingy, so check it out. The more responses, the more stuff on Buffy we get to do. http://www.gist.com/tv/hottopic/hottopic.dpg?name=buffy4 Thanks, Genevieve I'm a Buffaholic I'm a Cordy Girl, "Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass."(KBD)-- My new motto to live by. Love ya, Cordelia! I'm Spike's slave--and proud of it! I'm a GASPer, keeper of Giles' "Burt Reynolds"-like status - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:21:58 -0800 From: alanazar@jasper.uor.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: talking 'bout some revelations > i clapped when buffy questioned xander's nobility as nothing more than mere > jealousy. this is something i have been saying all along. and xander's > reaction indicated buffy struck a nerve. > Not to mention Cordelia's! * ** Okay, so I loved this episode... funny, sad, sexy... all Buffy should be. And more importantly- GREAT FIGHTING! Hello- I think that Faith and Buffy's fight wins for best fight scene EVER. Wow. I loved the woman watcher. She played on everyones insecurities perfectly. Easy to hate- but attractive enough to red herring you- to suspect a English romance. Everyone was fabulous in the ep... but where is Oz, where is Cordelia? I admit that outting them, and therefore freeing up time for tighter storylines improves the format, but it is a bit too convenient. I also liked knowing that Angel probably didn't know who Faith was. Did anyone else feel like they didn't know what day or time frame anything was in? It was hard to tell. I liked that Buffy, slayer sr. got the demon that nailed Faith. I love Faith now- and I liked how they really established her status as both orphan and outsider. Melissa, my ex-roomie, says that she sees those two being like sisters soon- which the "we're just friends" scene at the Bronze really cemented. Hey- I have 2 wooden stakes now (I found them) - and can I just say how fun it is to have them during the episodes- with a room full of people, and get to physically lunge for the kill with a tactile object? help me. :-) Autumn - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:33:06 EST From: ZABESTAGER@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Angel and Tai chi chuan Ok, I couldn't hold back any longer. Everyone is laughing about Angel performing tai chi and I don't blame them. I study tai chi - 2 different styles as a matter of fact - and I don't know WHAT Angel is doing. If TPTB think that's tai chi, I think they should get another consultant. Granted, I certainly don't know that much about tai chi - only been studying it for 1 year, but I know what it's not. You'd think someone who's been around for over 200 years would know a little more than that. Other than laughing out loud at the exercise shots, I enjoyed Revelations.... thanks for letting me rant............ Liz S. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:45:48 PST From: "Duremdes BShaw22" Subject: BUFFY: revelations I just watched my video of last night's kick-ass episode. I can't watch the show live anymore since I started working for Dell. Anyways, the episode was cool, and I loved the fight scene between Buffy and Faith, it seemed like no one would win. I hate the fact that there is less screen time for Cordy, though, but she managed to say another one of her cool lines. Well, gotta go, see y'all later. DUREMDES Keeper of Buffy's "shoes" that Cordy put herself in ("Cordy...get off my shoes!") http://www.angelfire.com/ca/deucetre "It's the GLOVE, and ya ain't got no love!"--GP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:47:16 -0500 From: genevieve@gist.com (Genevieve Faulkner) Subject: Re: BUFFY: talking 'bout some revelations >Everyone was fabulous in the ep... but where is Oz, where is Cordelia? >I admit that outting them, and therefore freeing up time for tighter >storylines improves the format, but it is a bit too convenient. Everyone keeps asking these questions...where were Xander and Cordy last ep. when Will and OZ were with Buffy, etc. I think it is believable that they have other lives. Oz has to rehearse, Cordy has cheerleading practice, they all have parents. They can not all be together all the time. I'm a Buffaholic I'm a Cordy Girl, "Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass."(KBD)-- My new motto to live by. Love ya, Cordelia! I'm Spike's slave--and proud of it! I'm a GASPer, keeper of Giles' "Burt Reynolds"-like status - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:48:19 EST From: Filly22595@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Giles and Willow/Xander Does anyone else think Giles saw Xander and Willow kissing during that scene in the Library. His body was turned so he at least should have caught a peripheral image, and he did seem kind of short with them afterwards. If he does know, does anyone want to speculate his reaction. Caren - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 14:46:35 PST From: "Sapphire" Subject: Re: BUFFY: Giles and Willow/Xander - ---------- > Does anyone else think Giles saw Xander and Willow kissing during that = scene > in the Library. His body was turned so he at least should have caught = a > peripheral image, and he did seem kind of short with them afterwards. = If he > does know, does anyone want to speculate his reaction. > > Caren > I kinda got the impression that he might of the way he was talking. I thi= nk that it will come out that he did. His behavior was too weird to not have seen. Sapphire - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:08:51 PST From: "Michael Clark" Subject: BUFFY: "Revelations" and it's intricacies... OK, guys, about last night's ep... 1. I am VERY glad that so called "watcher" demonbitch is gone. I was hoping she wasn't a regular character...my friend and I were watching and he caught before I did that she was a demon... 2. Go Xander, Go Willow...and I knew Willow wasn't going to get to tell Buffy. 3. Why are some demons so easy to slay while others are so difficult...Lagos and Lurconis...cinch...others...not so easy... 4. Faith will be gone in 4 or 5 episodes...she better, 'cause she's really beginning to piss me off. 5. Buffy and Angel I guess were never meant to be...i guess angel is actually cursed...:< 6. Where the hell did Angel go for the time while Post was getting the glove...was he knocked unconscious????? 7. No Snyder in this one, a plus in my book... 8. No Mr. Trick either, but Spike is coming back!!!!!!! YES!!!!!! But what happened to Dru???? Did she kill herself...did she die...did...I'm confused...and why is he hanging out w/ Willow...does he still feed...he doesn't have a soul...how could he be lovesick????...I'm confused... 9. Spike will chase Angel out of town... 10. Buffy kicks ass...see ya'll next time. From the desk of M.C. slaymebuffy (Michael Clark) * Keeper of Xander's vision of Buffy working with pimps...(6V02 - Dead Man's Party) * Keeper of Willow's willingness to let Oz do the guy thing...(6V03 - Beauty and the Beasts) * Keeper of Willow's skillful evasion style...(6V02 - Dead Man's Party) * Keeper of Willow's turnons...or lack thereof...(6V01 - Anne) keep your favorite character's item at: http://www.geocities.com/~stakeaclaim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:26:51 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Hickerson Subject: BUFFY: Review--"Revelations" **SPOILERS!!** Warning: If your copy of the ancient text which includes information about the latest episode of Buffy, "Revelations," is on order and you want to avoid SPOILERS, I'd suggest you turn back now.... In short: In the running for the best of season three.... Every once in a while, a series delivers an episode that reminds you of all the things that hooked you on the show in the first place. At times you can see them coming, at others they completely blindside you. "Revelations" was a combination of both for me. When I saw the previews and heard a few details, I was prepared for what could be one of the best Buffy epiosde of the young seasons. But I'll be honest--when the opening credits rolled and I didn't recognize the author's name right away, I felt a bit of uncertainty. Which lasted about five more seconds. "Revelatios" was exactly the episode it needed to be. Everyone was exactly in character and in most of the scenes clicked and hummed with an energy and electricity that permeates the best Buffy episodes such as Becoming, Lie to Me or Innocence. The scene in the library when the Scooby gang hosts the intervention for Buffy was perfect. The dialogue was crisp, taut, full of energy and exactly in character for everyone. From Xander's outrage and anger to Willow's attempts to be moderator to Buffy's attempted explanations to Giles' being the voice of reason, it all worked well. I especially enjoyed Anthony Stewart Head's performances as Giles last night. His calmly restraining rage was perfect as he told Buffy that they knew Angel was alive. And then the scene in Giles' office just blew me away. We've seen Giles be forgiving of Buffy's need to runaway and confront her demons. But here we saw a Giles thta is her mentor and angered by what she's doen by betrayng his trust. The scenes just crackled with energy and were the most compellling of the entire hour, if not the entire season to date. I also like the fact that the gang treated Buffy's problem like an addiction. It was a nice touch and one that I hope to see them address again in future. I also like the fact that for the most part, some of the tension was resolved a bit, but a lot of it is left under the surface to rear its ugly head again later in the season. I can see this continuing to be a source of tension between Xander and Buffy as the season goes on. And I also like the fact that we got to see that things aren't going to be hunky-doory again between Buffy and Faith quickly, if ever. The episode did a good job of setting this friendship up for a fall by focusing early on the teamwork that Buffy and Faith have. Then to see it slip away piece by piece until they eventually come to blows over Angel's fate was nicely done. And I've got to admit that the fight between them was one of the best choreographed I've seen on the show to date. And there have been some good fights. The plotline makes you wonder if Faith may go on the run again since the planks fo her trust and friendship have been shot out from under her again. First she loses what she thinks is her new watcher, then she is alienated by Buffy and the gang, and finally she comes to blows with her friend over the fate of the enemy. I've got to admit that I'd hate to see Faith go now if she settles into a vein of being a bit more antagonistic of Buffy. I think seeing them as big buds was pushing the limits, but seeing them as rivals of a sort does hold some appeal to me. Now, as for the monster plot, it's one of the few I've seen that actually worked well in the past few weeks. Most of it was that it was brought into the story early enough to provide some dramatic tension and keep the story focused. It moved at a good enough pace to keep me interested and while there was big stuff going on with the revelation of Angel being back, this plot wasn't given the short end of the stick in terms of screen time. It had enough to continue to be interesting and to keep my eyes glues to the screen while it happened. The only part I didn't like was that it seemed to be resolved too easily. Cutting off Ms. Posts arm seemed a bit too easy. Of course, I wondered early if she might be a red herring for some reason and was seeking the weapon for her own use. It's interesting that's the route they chose to use. It was motivated fairly well by Giles' final comments about her being rejected by the guild and so I can see how it works in the overall plot structure. What I didn't buy for some reason was how Giles just accepted her at her word. I guess this may be a hindsight thing where I wonder why he didn't call the guild to check her out and make sure she is who she said she was. But as I said, I am looking at this in the perspective of knowing where the plot went. And because of that, I can overlook this minor detail and enjoy the episode more. All in all, this is easily one of the best episodes of the year and I only hope we get better from here. My faith in Buffy, which was shaken a bit last week by Band Candy, has been more than fully restored. Well, that's about it for now, except a few small things... --As much as I love the tension and funny stuff between Xander and Willow, it's time to move the plot forward. --Seeing Buffy and Angel doing Tai Chi was interesting and certainly a nice continuity nod. --So will Faith get a new Watcher or is Giles now responsible for her? Well, that's about it for now. All in all, a great episode. I only hope we get more... My rating: 10.0 (out of 10.0) Next up: Spike's back....(Just a note. My review may be a bit late next week due to holiday travel) "Just another Tuesday night in Sunnydale." --Buffy Michael Hickerson mhickers@usit.net - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:26:59 EST From: Raininfire@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: What's missing from Buffy. Hi. I've been thinking about the difference between this season's episodes of Buffy and last. I personally think last seasons were more entertaining. While they were serious at times, (Surprise and Innocence come to mind. Two amazing episodes) there was also a lightheartedness to the show mixed in which I think is sorely missed! (Except for Band Candy.) After much thinking, I've figured out what's missing. Spike and Drusilla! For me, they were the best thing on the show. Spike and Dru will always be the best evil creatures of SunnyHell and ALWAYS will be. While they were dark and cryptic, they also added a twisted kind of comic relief. In my opinion, the show hasn't been as good without them. Not that this season isn't any good. I have enjoyed it. It just doesn't have the magic of the past season. Thanks for listening. -- Raininfire GASPer, Keeper of Giles' Dictionary, Member of MCTP, Keeper of Miss Calendar's Orb of Thesulah, Member of The Society in Prevention of Cruelty to Werewolves Keeper of The Mayor's Occult Collection*The Bandy Candy's Chocolatey Goodness Rejuvenation Qualities*Dru's Deep Red Satin Party Dress*Dru's Victorian Canopy Bed*Spike's Status as a Rock Singer*Xander's Vampire Fishstick Theatre*Faith's Faith's Triumphant Slayage in South Boston*Cordelia's Sarcastic "Quote Marks" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:34:05 -0500 From: "Ryan Harrington" Subject: Re: BUFFY: "Revelations" and it's intricacies... >1. I am VERY glad that so called "watcher" demonbitch is gone. I was >hoping she wasn't a regular character...my friend and I were watching >and he caught before I did that she was a demon... Actually she was not a demon, just a watcher gone bad, practicing b/magic and stuff >4. Faith will be gone in 4 or 5 episodes...she better, 'cause she's >really beginning to piss me off. Sorry to burst you're bubble but Eliza is signed on for 15 eps of the 22 this season > But what happened to Dru???? Did she kill herself...did she die...did...I'm >confused...and why is he hanging out w/ Willow...does he still feed...he >doesn't have a soul...how could he be lovesick????...I'm confused... Dru left Spike b/c of what he did to Angel(us). ~Ryan - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:39:49 -0500 From: "Ryan Harrington" Subject: BUFFY: Episode Lists Does anyone have a list of names for upcoming episodes? ~Ryan - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:39:24 -0700 (MST) From: Mel Walker Subject: Re: BUFFY: talking 'bout some revelations On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 Coolkarma@aol.com wrote: > ok, so xander does have some sense of loyalty. when giles was unconscious > (yet again...how many times has this poor guy been knocked out?) xander could > put aside his hatred for angel (for a change) and think of someone else beside > himself. but even though he told faith he didn't think angel was at fault for > what happened to giles, why did he act like he thought it was angel when buffy > later showed up? i think he took great relish in letting buffy know that > faith was on her way to stake angel. Really? I thought he looked embarrassed about his whole role in the thing. When he turned to Willow after Buffy left, I think he wanted to say something in his defense, but Willow cut him off. And he meekly followed her. - -- Mel Walker "Don't be cross, uncle!" said the nephew. "What else can I be," returned the uncle, "when I live in such a world of fools as this?" - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:53:42 EST From: DaniLynn27@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Revelations Overall, a good episode. It wasn't as quite as good as I'd been hoping it would be, but I was pretty satisfied. Xander and Willow . . . I've always been a Willow/Xander 'shipper so this storyline is exactly what I wanted, but it's time for it to move forward a bit. Giles catching them in the library was what I was hoping for. They would have been found out by *someone* . . not as major as if Cordy or Oz had seen them, but still, their secret would be out. And also, Willow. What a change in that girl. In season one it was the girl who usually "had to go away" when it came to boys, and now she's the one grabbing Xander. I think Oz gave that to her in a way. She may not love him, but he's helped her confidence tremendously I think. Now she can say "Yeah, I'm smart and pretty and I can be sexy and boys *do* like me." Where were Oz and Cordy? I agree with the person who says leaving them out makes for tighter storylines but I've grown to love Oz and his demeanor, and I miss Cordy when she's not around . . Where did that kiss between Buffy and Angel come from? I was expecting big dramatic moment, the first kiss since Angel came back from hell, not Xander peeking in the window and seeing them making out out of nowhere. Especially after Buffy's behavior in the earlier scenes with Angel in the episode. Giles. Wow. Kudos to Tony Head for a fantastic job in this episode, especially in the scene with Buffy. Although, enough with the knocking Giles out! Find a new theme, as Cordy would say. Faith . . I was indifferent to her but now I find myself wanting to know more. The girl's definitely got some issues. And I like the way Buffy was able to make nice with everyone except Faith. Faith is probably the person Buffy can relate the most to due to their similar slayer fates, but now Faith is shutting Buffy out. I hope she isn't killed off before we get a chance to see what's beneath that tough-girl exterior. I think the character has a lot of potential if she's used right, and Eliza Dushku has impressed me with her acting ability, much more than Bianca Lawson did with Kendra. I think I'm done rambling :) Danielle DaniLynn27@aol.com Welcome to the Hellmouth - http://members.aol.com/danilynn27/buffy2.htm Member #483 of WPWP (We Possess Willow Power); Keeper of Willow's tag that needed to be tucked; Keeper of the fun Willow makes because she doesn't have cable; Keeper of Xander's arm punch of love - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:55:52 -0600 (CST) From: Claudia Cruz Subject: Re: BUFFY: talking 'bout some revelations On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Genevieve Faulkner wrote: > Everyone keeps asking these questions...where were Xander and Cordy last ep. > when Will and OZ were with Buffy, etc. I think it is believable that they > have other lives. Oz has to rehearse, Cordy has cheerleading practice, they > all have parents. They can not all be together all the time. > Is Cordelia still a cheerleader? There have been several episodes where there have been several people dressed in cheerleading outfits but Cordelia always regular clothes on. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:14:16 EST From: BuFFySMG7@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: re: Revelations In a message dated 11/18/98 9:40:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, dbrown@gdac.com writes: << Buffy had a weapon; Faith didn't. That tips the scales in Buffy's favor pretty dramatically. Given the same arsenal I think Faith could've finished him off just fine >> OK, what weapon did Buffy have? Now I could be wrong because I havent watched it twice yet, but from what I can remember, Buffy didnt start the fight with a weapon in hand (maybe a stake, which if there was one, it proved to be no help to her) because the weapon Buffy used to kill Largos(sp?) she grabbed from his back. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:25:58 -0400 From: Donna Brown Subject: Re: BUFFY: re: Revelations BuFFySMG7@aol.com wrote > OK, what weapon did Buffy have? Now I could be wrong because I havent watched > it twice yet, but from what I can remember, Buffy didnt start the fight with a > weapon in hand (maybe a stake, which if there was one, it proved to be no help > to her) because the weapon Buffy used to kill Largos(sp?) she grabbed from his > back. I didn't say she went into the fight with a weapon. What I meant was, she had access to a weapon (by bending over his back), whereas Faith didn't. Resourceful girl that she is, Buffy snagged his . . .whatever that sharp thing was. And I still think that if Faith had been able to grab the same weapon, she'd have fared just fine - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:34:55 -0800 From: alanazar@jasper.uor.edu Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy VS Demon fight > OK, what weapon did Buffy have? Now I could be wrong because I havent watched > it twice yet, but from what I can remember, Buffy didnt start the fight with a > weapon in hand > I think the moment the fight turned in her favor was when she kicked him in the balls. After Surprise- when BUffy whacked Angel- it seems that alive or undead, it is still the most effective "hit" against a male. - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:49:35 -0500 From: genevieve@gist.com (Genevieve Faulkner) Subject: Re: BUFFY: re: Revelations >I didn't say she went into the fight with a weapon. What I meant was, she had >access to a weapon, whereas Faith didn't. Resourceful girl that she is, Buffy >snagged his. And I still think that if Faith had been able to grab the same >weapon, she'd have fared just fine. The fact is that Faith was not resourceful enough to get the weapon. She did not even have the opportunity, which is the point. I'm a Buffaholic I'm a Cordy Girl, "Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass."(KBD)-- My new motto to live by. Love ya, Cordelia! I'm Spike's slave--and proud of it! I'm a GASPer, keeper of Giles' "Burt Reynolds"-like status - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:51:14 -0800 From: alanazar@jasper.uor.edu Subject: BUFFY: Watcher council Anyone else find it strange that there is a council that could decide which watcher was assigned to Faith or Buffy (via The Giles Evaluation)??? It takes what always seemed to be a "prophesied" post (much more localized at the very least) and makes it seem organized to a degree I wasn't prepared for. Also, Giles being "too American"... hmm. Are all watchers British? Or just not from the "new" world? Beaurecracy in Buffy! uggh. One Ha-Ha for me was when Buffy said "just another Tuesday night.." oh yes, it was. Strange that there is a council- but that Giles (who for a long time had the only active slayer) was never invited to the retreats. Last request: Was Joss on the posting board Tuesday night? Autumn - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:50:18 -0500 From: jim Subject: BUFFY: SPOLIER about Lover's Walk Alright, just my random thoughts, but here * * * * * * * * * * * Okay, now, the reason I think Spike and Willow were having a heart-to-heart is becuase he's stone drunk. When he rams the Sunydale sign, we see him fall out of the car with some bottles. I definitely think he is drunk becuase of the whole Dru thing, and somehow he gets to see Willow. Okay, there it is, just my thoughts. Jill Keeper of Buffy's goodbye note Keeper of Xander's concern for Willow's health - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:08:18 -0400 From: Donna Brown Subject: Re: BUFFY: Buffy VS Demon fight alanazar@jasper.uor.edu wrote: > > OK, what weapon did Buffy have? Now I could be wrong because I havent watched > > it twice yet, but from what I can remember, Buffy didnt start the fight with a > > weapon in hand > > > I think the moment the fight turned in her favor was when she kicked him > in the balls. After Surprise- when BUffy whacked Angel- it seems that > alive or undead, it is still the most effective "hit" against a male. LOL! I'd forgotten her below-the-belt move. Makes you wonder why a demon would even have family jewels. . . - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:16:42 EST From: Alverdine@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: re: Revelations In a message dated 98-11-18 16:28:09 EST, you write: > I didn't say she went into the fight with a weapon. What I meant was, she > had access to a weapon (by bending over his back), whereas Faith didn't. > Resourceful girl that she is, Buffy snagged his . . .whatever that sharp thing was. And I still think that if Faith had been able to grab the same weapon, she'd have > fared just fine Watch the scenes in question again. Buffy didn't een break a sweat figthing Lagos--and that was before she grabbed his ax thingy. Faith, on the other hand, barely got a chance to hit him before he flung her away like he was swatting a fly. And another thing... While Buffy and Faith were fighting just what was Angel doing? Seems to me like he was just laying around watching. Of course, it could be that he was seriously in pain (after all he's still getting better), though Faith really didn't hit him all that much and he got a few licks of his own in. Kelly aka Alverdine - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:28:50 -0800 From: Sai Wong Subject: BUFFY: Faith's Watcher - Kristy Swanson Hi, From last nights episode, Faith still does not have a watcher. This got me thinking, how about getting Kristy Swanson to play Faith's new watcher Kristy recently did six episodes of 'Early Edition', so it might be possible to pursuade her to do some Buffy episodes. Kristy's character can also double as Gile's new love interest. The two watchers can develope a relationship over the season and then near the end of the season they can being Jenny Calender back. Giles will then have to choose between them. Who will he choose ??? What do you think ? Sai Keeper of the Grrrr Arrrggg end credit mutant - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:13:38 -0800 (PST) From: Ali Subject: BUFFY: Re: season2 vs season 3 Re: Watchers Council Joss has talked about the "essense" of a watcher's Council on the PB, I think that it has been touched on in an earlier ep, sometime in the previous seasons (dont know for sure which one) I am not going to say I will check my tapes, b/c taht woulld be 34 hours to go through. But last nights ep was for sure, not the first time I have seen that. (Ryan H- This is Ali/Briolette of the Bronze) SOmething else that I loved about this episode was the fight between B and F at the end. ( I really liked how they gave each of them bruises from it also) Sophia and Elizas stuntwoman did a great job. It was kind of funny when you could tell who was and was not who. Eliza's Stunt woman( the name escapes me) has a red-ish tint to her hair, and Sophia was not as obvious, but one could still tell when she was there. I thought for sure this would be an obvious, but Season 2 and Season 3 are dangerously similar. *WSWB vs Anne Buffy comes back from her summer of being gone, She is weird and not herself. *SAR & DMP Battleing the zombies. Need I say more? *School Hard vs FH & T We get our new villians and for the season (not to mention Faith). We get a little intro to who they are and what they are like. *IMG vs B & tB Ok, here I had to stretch a little to find similaries, but they are there. In both there are people (I use that term loosely) who appear human and/or normal but in reality they are not (the guy to turns into a beating machine vs Ms. Mummy) *RB vs Homecoming Cordy and Buffy are together practically the entire episode, doing the same things. They are both fighting the same demons and co-operating, except for the rivalry. Angel is jealous. And we have the "woe is me" speech/attitude *Halloween vs. Bad Candy There is much confusion. Everybody is what they are not. People are acting strange for little or no reason except for ETHAN and his fun and games. *LTM vs Revelations Here, we can also tie this to the first season's Seventh ep: Angel. These three episodes all deal greatly w/ Angel, In LTM we saw some of his past, and how he interacts w/ the scooby gang, and here we see what happens when everyone knows that he is back. The relationship between Buffy and Angel is a main focus for all of these. If we get more of Giles past (even if we dont)in the next ep ( I dont read spoilers) It is safe to assume their is something quirky here. Thank you for letting me rant Ali/Briolette _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:35:55 EST From: BuffySumr9@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Lover's Walk question. SPOILER SPACE * * * * * * * * * * - -- It looked to me like Willow was terrified. Looked like she was trying to inch away from him and the expression on her face was one of terror. ~ Ash - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #577 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)