From: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com (buffy-digest) To: buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: buffy-digest V2 #590 Reply-To: buffy@lists.xmission.com Sender: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-buffy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk buffy-digest Friday, November 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 590 In this issue: Re: BUFFY: Spoiler question BUFFY: SATs BUFFY:Iiiiiiit's COMBO TIME! (Spoilers for BII through this season) BUFFY: SATs (OT: my opinion) BUFFY: Xander's behavior during Lover's Walk Re: BUFFY: TVGEN Awards Re: BUFFY: Overnight ratings for Lovers Walk (slightly ot) BUFFY: TVGEN nominees BUFFY: Gaurdians and Keepers BUFFY: Letters to Cast BUFFY: The Wish or any other spoilers BUFFY: Business Wire Photos BUFFY: Grrrr. Arrrgh! Re: BUFFY:Iiiiiiit's COMBO TIME! (Spoilers for BII through this season) Re: BUFFY:Iiiiiiit's COMBO TIME! (Spoilers for BII through this season) BUFFY: invitation reversal spells and promise keeping BUFFY: iiiiiit's COMBO TIME! (Spoilers for BII through LW) Re: BUFFY: invitation reversal spells and promise keeping BUFFY: RE: BtVS&DC&IKWYDLS&others See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the buffy or buffy-digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:25:38 EST From: DaniLynn27@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY: Spoiler question << Also is Seth Green going to be in Austin Powers the spy who shagged me? >> Yep, I'm pretty sure Seth's signed for the sequel to Austin Powers. Danielle DaniLynn27@aol.com Welcome to the Hellmouth - http://members.aol.com/danilynn27/buffy2.htm "Tell me you don't love me." -Buffy, "Lover's Walk", BtVS - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:21:40 -0500 From: Schimmel <75211.522@compuserve.com> Subject: BUFFY: SATs Lisa wrote: <> Why not? Obviously Buffy tests very well; and she is highly intelligent. I've always thought Buffy reflects another high school problem- the student who devotes so much time to her part-time job that her schoolwork suffers! Don't forget, it's difficult to have good grades if you never get to class, no matter how smart you are! Even Oz, who's a genius, has to repeat the year because he'd missed so much time. Sandra - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:16:49 -0500 From: blue_moose@juno.com (Jaina Solo) Subject: BUFFY:Iiiiiiit's COMBO TIME! (Spoilers for BII through this season) You guys know I luff combos. I just do. So here's another one. ;) 1)A wrote: >Actually, this is pretty common, basically because schools publicize SAT >scores much more than high school GPAs when giving out statistics. Yup. Colleges look *much* more at SAT and ACT scores. GPAs definitely help, but it's mostly the scores. Say I had good test scores and they were on the edge about accepting me-a 5.0 would probably tip them over the edge to "Yes." Which doesn't mean that Buffy won't get accepted anywhere. She does have quite a few options now, though. Also, someone mentioned that the Mayor (What's UP with him anyway?) might have doctore Buffy's test results to get her out of town--I suppose this could have happened, though tests aren't scored locally. I'm sure he could intercept the tests at the post office, though. Still, if he wants to get rid of her, why doesn't he send a hitman to put a bullet in Buffy's head through her window while she sleeps? I know something like this would be pretty taboo on Buffy, but hey, it'd be faster than sending numerous vamp/demon henchmen. 2)Spike & Joyce & the entrance thingie: I think Joyce might have thought Spike was a *good* vampire, like Angel is. After all, he was behaving somewhat well when he visited them in Becoming II. Kind of. And after Spike started in on his tale of woe, she probably figured he was okay. And hey, serving him hot chocolate is better than serving him her blood. And about Angel-she remembers him being all freak-o to her when he was bed, remembers Buffy and Spike talk about killing him in BII, sees him unabel to enter-well, I wouldn't trust him either. Speaking of Angel's being unable to enter, why is this? Spike had been invited before and so was able to enter now, so why wasn't Angel? Is there some sort of time limit on this? 3)There's pretty much only one thing about this season that has made me really cranky. And Cranky!Jaina isn't a fun person to have around. Let's see, Buffy's sending Angel to hell was traumatic enough to make her run away and have horrible, guilt-stricken nightmares, and it was obviously not a walk in the park for Angel, either. So why haven't they ever TALKED about it? Something like "I'm sorry I had to do it, but it was you or the earth" from Buffy at the very least. I guess I'm just peeved that they have never acknowledged what happened. Considering Angels's state after his return, I would have thought it was something they couldn't *not* talk about. And are they ever going to explain that? Imagine my surprise when all it took to get Angel out of Hell was a placed ring on the floor and a whispered "Goodbye." My friend Mugsy has a claddagh ring and when we get really bored, we do those things then look up at the sky to see if anyone was sent to hell from this location. (NO one so far, BTW.) Perhaps I've been spoiled by the Scully Rational Explanations (SREs) on the X-Files, but I want some ANSWERS, dammit! Okay, I'm all better now. :) And don't get me wrong, I'm mostly loving the season so far. The Angel thing is just something I would fix. Boy, this is really, really long. Guess I'll shut up now. ;D - -Jaina "I'm a moose. A blue one." Fic and...like, stuff, at http://members.tripod.com/~treasurebox/index.html You're so beautiful, with an edge and a charm...and so helpless, when I'm in your arms... ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 13:17:33 EST From: Marusky@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: SATs (OT: my opinion) To say that colleges look mostly at SATs and ACTs would be wrong according to "Scaling the Walls of the Ivy League" I don't remember who wrote it, but she was an admissions person at Princeton. There are basically three standard things colleges look at when accepting you: GPA, standardized test scores, and extra-curriculars. Plus, the essay has an INCREDIBLE impact on acceptance. Despite what most people think, these other three, however, are usually dealt with equally. According to this book, each of these factors are rated with points by category. As for SATs, they do not look at individual scores. Buffy's 1430 would go in the 1400-1450 category which could earn her a certain number points towards being accepted. Same would go for her GPA. The problem with these truly good colleges like Carnegie Mellon (speaking as someone who applied to these top-ranked colleges and was very viscious in judging the competition, I don't think she could get into an Ivy league or top-ranked college), they get many applications from students with amazing scores, GPAs, clubs, etc, they must find a way to rank them all since they can't accept them all, so they use a point system. Since Buffy would lose points in both GPA and clubs, I doubt she would gain acceptance without an amazing essay (which she could no doubt provide, but how much of her life is a no-talking part?) I think Joyce is just grabbing at straws, but then again, anyone remember Zack getting into Stanford with his SAT scores on "Saved By The Bell?" Thanks for letting me ramble, Marusky :) Resident Know-It-All :) - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:55:36 -0800 From: Jeff Harris Subject: BUFFY: Xander's behavior during Lover's Walk I noticed that when Xander woke up in the factory the majority of questions he asked Willow were tactical in nature. I found it interesting that he was obviously trying to gather information to form a plan. I found myself wondering if that is a natural outgrowth of dealing with so many supernatural menaces, or if it comes from the soldier experience he gained last Hallowed. Maybe its a little of both. Just wondering Jeff "I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it." - Spike - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:28:53 -0400 From: slayerqueen@juno.com (jodie m bastarache) Subject: Re: BUFFY: TVGEN Awards WHO IS nOMINATED FOR BEST vILLIAN??could someone please send me the the info like who else is nominated for best villian/best teen character/best sci-fi/fantasy shoe and whatever else Buffy is nominated for I want to know what the competition is. I do not have the internet so I can't check myself. Jodie ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:31:29 -0500 From: Jeff Rohaly Subject: Re: BUFFY: Overnight ratings for Lovers Walk (slightly ot) At 12:10 1998-11-26 EST, Marusky@aol.com wrote: >While we're talking about ratings and other such stuff... My household >was selected to be a Nielson family for some of sweeps week. >What kind of impact can we have? Well, I don't know but I can give you some numbers and let you judge for yourself. First of all, the purpose of these diaries is to calculate household ratings and provide demographic information -- percent of teens or 18-34 year olds and so on watching a particular show -- for each of the 210 *local* television markets. There are 44 big TV markets that have households (about 300 to 500 per market) whose viewing is electronically monitored automatically by meters and stations in those markets have household rating numbers -- but not demographic information -- available on a daily basis. In those big markets, diaries supplement the information on household ratings provided by the meters and provide the only information on demographics that those stations receive. In the other 166 markets, diaries are the only way that stations get any local information. During Sweeps months, Nielsen says that it sends out a total of over 100,000 diaries. That sounds like a lot but it's still only about 475 diaries per market on average. So the bottom line is that you're one of a few hundred households in your market and so I figure you can have some impact on the ratings in your local market (especially if it's a small market since the total number of diaries there would be less than the average). Check this out to see what Nielsen has to say about this subject: http://www.nielsenmedia.com/wtrrm.html ObBuffy: Here's how Buffy ended up ranking among The WB's dramas during the November Sweeps. These are overnight (i.e. from the 44 metered markets) averages for the last 4 weeks. Buffy got helped by the fact that DC and Charmed got blown away last night because of the holiday: 1. 7th Heaven: 7.8 rating/12 share 2. Dawson's Creek: 5.8 rating/9 share 2. Buffy the Vampire Slayer: 5.8 rating/9 share 4. Charmed: 5.6 rating/9 share 5. Felicity: 5.0 rating/8 share 6. Hyperion Bay: 2.9 rating/5 share I think The WB has got to be fairly happy with Buffy. And apart from all the numbers, I think 3 of the 4 episodes this month -- Homecoming, Revelations and Lovers Walk -- were great episodes and I really think things are promising for the rest of the season. It looks like this "big year" for The Mayor thing is going to become a a major part at some point in the rest of the season. We've got the possibility of Spike and Dru coming back at some point. Who knows where they're going to take the relationships; other than they have to find a plausible way to get rid of Angel and Cordelia (I'm still in denial about my favorite character leaving the show -- I know she's not going to be on next year but I try not to think about it) or what they're going to do with Faith or who's going to college and who's not. I feel way, way better about this season than after the first couple of episodes, which weren't terrible or anything but seemed to be lacking. Jeff Rohaly rohaly@iaw.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 17:04:31 EST From: Jazzetta@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: TVGEN nominees Here are the nominees for those who asked for them. I have only one problem with the list: Sexiest Male-- NO Buffy cast members!!! DB, NB, JM, and SG all deserve this title and none are nominated!!! Oh well-- I italicized all the Buffy nominees. Best Hairdo: WOMEN Jennifer Aniston: Friends Sarah Michelle Gellar: Buffy Marge Simpson: The Simpsons Keri Russell: Felicity Fran Drescher: The Nanny Jenna Elfman: Dharma and Greg Kathy Kinney: The Drew Carey Show Best Hairdo: MEN James Van Der Beek: Dawson's Creek David Boreanaz: Buffy Matthew Perry: Friends David Spade: Just Shoot Me Drew Carey: The Drew Carey Show Homer Simpson: The Simpsons Kevin Sorbo: Hercules Best Pet Eddie: Frasier Murray: Mad About You Joey's duck: Friends Salem: Sabrina the Teenage Witch Sparky the Gay Dog: South Park Buddy: Veronica's Closet Best Kiss Matthew Perry and Courteney Cox: Friends Judd Nelson and Brooke Shields: Suddenly Susan Malcolm Gets and Lea Thompson: Caroline in the City Dylan McDermott and Calista Flockhart: The Practice James Van Der Beek and Katie Holmes: Dawson's Creek Wayne Knight and Kristen Johnson: 3rd Rock From the Sun Scariest Villain William B. Davis: The X-Files Heather Locklear: Melrose Place Dennis Christopher: Profiler Kathy Kinney: The Drew Carey Show James Marsters: Buffy the Vampire Slayer Best Sci-Fi / Fantasy Show Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Gene Roddenberry's Earth: Final Conflict The X-Files Buffy the Vampire Slayer Charmed Xena Star Trek: Voyager Best Teen Character Sarah Michelle Gellar: Buffy the Vampire Slayer James Van Der Beek: Dawson's Creek Melissa Joan Hart: Sabrina the Teenage Witch Nikki Cox: Unhappily Ever After Moesha: Moesha Jennifer Love Hewitt: Party of Five Keri Russell: Felicity Sexiest Male Dylan McDermott: The Practice Scott Wolf: Party of Five Michael J. Fox: Spin City David Duchovny: The X-Files Matthew Perry: Friends Jimmy Smits: NYPD Blue Thomas Gibson: Dharma and Greg Sexiest Female Jeri Ryan: Star Trek: Voyager Kim Delaney: NYPD Blue Jennifer Love Hewitt: Party of Five Sarah Michelle Gellar: Buffy Julianna Margulies: ER Gillian Anderson: The X-Files Sarah Jessica Parker: Sex in the City Best Commercial Volkswagen Beetle Levis Taco Bell Apple iMacs McDonald's McGwire/Sosa spot Gap Swing Best Dressed Male Dylan McDermott: The Practice David Hyde Pierce: Frasier Benjamin Bratt: Law & Order David Duchovny: The X-Files Thomas Gibson: Dharma and Greg Dan Cortez: Veronica's Closet Chris Rock: The Chris Rock Show Best Dressed Female Calista Flockhart: Ally McBeal Lara Flynn Boyle: The Practice Sarah Michelle Gellar: Buffy Brandy: Moesha Kirstie Alley: Veronica's Closet Wendie Malick: Just Shoot Me Jeri Ryan: Star Trek: Voyager Best TV theme song The Nanny Friends 3rd Rock From the Sun Dawson's Creek Ally McBeal Party of Five Best Animated Show The Simpsons Dr. Katz Daria King of the Hill South Park Celebrity Death Match - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:42:58 -0800 From: "Cordelia Wylde-LaRue" Subject: BUFFY: Gaurdians and Keepers This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BE194B.0F8D1B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I just joined this list and people keep talking about being the = keepers or guardians of things, could someone reply to this and tell me = what that means. 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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 22:27:08 EST From: RayneFire@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: Business Wire Photos Here's a link to the latest Business Wire photo. http://www.businesswire.com/photowire/pw.112698/ It's shows the 3rd season promo (with Angel and Buffy "Love is Immortal") and a promo picture for the Christmas Ep The description gives details for the 1-800 Collect contest and gives some spoilers for the Christmas Ep. Also, there's a couple of promo photos for Revelations and Lovers Walk at: http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/photoblob.sh?pw.111098/bw6 It shows Buffy and Angel (shirtless) almost kissing (from Revelations) and a great picture of Spike! - -Rayne Keeper of Spike's trench coat - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:01:47 EST From: tomwmac@juno.com (Thomas W MacCarrol) Subject: BUFFY: Grrrr. Arrrgh! I've been ill, and then very busy the last few weeks; so did not look at "Revelation" ep untill last Tues. (was going to back-to-back with "Lovers Walk"). When I discovered that the timer on my VCR malf-ed and I did not get any of it I was *very* annoyed and unhappy. Is anyone onlist interested in running a copy for the desperate? I will gladly supply the blank tape, postage both ways, and reasonable compensation for the time & effort. (If it comes down to 'unreasonable' compensation-> we'll talk.) Please respond directly to: Tom Mac Carrol tomwmac@juno.com P.S. Thanks, I may burst if I gotta wait for the summer re-runs; this was a *major* ep. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:26:22 EST From: Coolkarma@aol.com Subject: Re: BUFFY:Iiiiiiit's COMBO TIME! (Spoilers for BII through this season) blue_moose@juno.com wrote: > Speaking of Angel's being unable to enter, why is this? > Spike had been invited before and so was able to enter now, so why wasn't > Angel? Is there some sort of time limit on this? after angel lost his soul and reverted back to evil angelus, some kind of reversal spell was performed by the gang that basically uninvited him. so that is why he had to be invited back in. speaking of which....i think this was rather dingy on buffy's part. angel is harmless now, but suppose the curse is restored again? the uninviting spell could be done, but what if there isn't time or opportunity to do it before angelus comes in and kills someone? as much as i understand buffy's feelings for angel, i sometimes wonder where her head is. gary - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 22:39:34 -0600 From: CRCROCKETT Subject: Re: BUFFY:Iiiiiiit's COMBO TIME! (Spoilers for BII through this season) Coolkarma@aol.com wrote: > > blue_moose@juno.com wrote: > > > Speaking of Angel's being unable to enter, why is this? > > Spike had been invited before and so was able to enter now, so why wasn't > > Angel? Is there some sort of time limit on this? > > after angel lost his soul and reverted back to evil angelus, some kind of > reversal spell was performed by the gang that basically uninvited him. so that > is why he had to be invited back in. > > speaking of which....i think this was rather dingy on buffy's part. angel is > harmless now, but suppose the curse is restored again? the uninviting spell > could be done, but what if there isn't time or opportunity to do it before > angelus comes in and kills someone? > > as much as i understand buffy's feelings for angel, i sometimes wonder where > her head is. > gary > > - I'm not worried about Buffy re-inviting Angel in . Thats her choice. But why didn't she work the reversal spell after she had invited Spike in the first time? She said it herself , he's not one to keep his promises. What would happen if he came back after she had run away and killed her mother or something just for the hell of it? Granted , its kind of far-fetched , but he's still a demon . - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 00:26:55 EST From: Coolkarma@aol.com Subject: BUFFY: invitation reversal spells and promise keeping CRCROCKETT@prodigy.net wrote: > I'm not worried about Buffy re-inviting Angel in . i certainly am. so suppose angel is changed again? did buffy even consider that? i am not that terribly bothered by it, but it did raise an eyebrow. it's obvious on occasions such as this that buffy's feelings for angel sometimes cloud her judgment. > why didn't she work the reversal spell after she had invited Spike in > the first time? good question...considering how dangerous spike can be, i was surprised buffy invited him into her house to begin with. and, when she did invite him in, the reversal spell was not done later just in case he decided to return. > She said it herself , he's not one to keep his promises. now that one i am a bit mixed on. true, spike came back to sunnydale when he said he would leave for good. but while he was rough with willow, he didn't cause any serious bodily harm. and as for xander, the damage was done in self defense (not putting down xander of course...he had every reason to try and stop spike). spike had the opportunity to hurt joyce, and didn't. and after the vamp fight in the witch supply shop (or whatever that place was called) he left without further incident. so while spike is a vamp, he does seem to have some humanity in him. and don't forget spike did help buffy in becoming. sure, he didn't want to lose his "happy meals with legs", but he could have waited for buffy to send angel to hell and change his mind about leaving. instead, he left as promised. and it took dru's leaving him to bring him back to sunnydale. while spike is evil (and i love him that way), i don't consider him as dangerous as angelus, who has no humanity at all. it's hard for me to be upset with the gang ragging on her about angel if she is going to do reckless things like inviting angel back into her house. gary - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:13:35 CST From: "Cydney" Subject: BUFFY: iiiiiit's COMBO TIME! (Spoilers for BII through LW) But why didn't she work the reversal spell after she had invited Spike in > the first time? She said it herself , he's not one to keep his promises. > What would happen if he came back after she had run away and killed her > mother or something just for the hell of it? What I'm wondering is exactly what promise did Spike break during their previous association? In Bcoming 2, he promised to help her defeat Angel in return for taking Dru and himself out of town forever. He beat the hell ot of Angel and took Dru out of the picture, and then he went to Brazil w/ Dru. He kept his word. I can't remember any other promise made to Buffy that he broke, until he returned to Sunnydale sans Dru looking for revenge. This is the only promise he ever broke. She acts as if he's a huge liar. I would say that for the most part, Spike has been scrupulouly honest with the Slayer. Cydney Keeper of Oz's Ability to Woo Technopagans in Training ** Proud Guardian of Ethan and Giles' Not So Subtle Sexual Tension **Keeper of Dru's Incredible Ability to Keep Her Whites Their Whitest, Despite Her Gory Eating Habits and Her Equally Astounding Ability to Stay Manicured, Powdered, and Pretty Despite Being a Thundering Looney **Keeper of Oz's Incredible Pain Threshold and His Animal Magnetism** - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:03:19 PST From: "Hugh Glen" Subject: Re: BUFFY: invitation reversal spells and promise keeping OK, yet again, my bad. I read ANOTHER post about this week's ep before I got to see it (damn my schedule!!!), but hey, let's get to it... >> why didn't she work the reversal spell after she had invited Spike in >> the first time? Then again, just how much time did she have to do it??? Not bloody much, considering she left after fighting with her mom, killed Angel, then ran away about twenty minutes afterwards (about 20 anyway...). And (considering I haven't seen the ep) I assume she hadn't cast the ritual for Spike, because she really didn't have the time to think about that either ( "Hi guys, let's fight zombies in my living room while I cast this spell OK?). Hindsight may be tweny-twenty, but when you're a teenaged girl with (literally) the world on your shoulders... >> She said it herself , he's not one to keep his promises. >now that one i am a bit mixed on. spike came back to sunnydale when >he said he would leave for good. and don't forget spike did help buffy in becoming. and it took dru's leaving him to bring him back. This is why I ARRRRRRRGGGGHHHH. Dru left Spike?!? oh well, I guess that's my own fault for reading BEFORE I watch... Yeah, I'm actually considering the fact that Spike is justified in coming back. Dru was his reason for being, and if he lost her... (trust me, when you can identify with losing the only person you have EVER loved, then you can argue on this point and ONLY then. Sorry if I sound a bit harsh for this mailing list, but I guess the whole 'losing the love of your life' thing gets me a bit sore...). Anyhow, besides, if you REALLY want to argue, Spike did say:"and we'll never be back... _I bloody well hope_ ...". He knew that it would take a lot of bad stuff to make him come back, and it did. But at the same time, he never did say he was never coming back... (yes, this fact WAS noticed at the time). It seems that no matter how much Joss prepares, we always figure it out (OK, we had MONTHS to speculate, but hey...) and throw it out for massive discussion. Speaking of which, has anyone noticed that either after the first couple of days of arguing onlist or after someone bitches about something big onlist, it ends up getting resolved either the next week or the week after on the show? I'd almost consider the fact that someone(ie: Joss) is lurking in the shadows, but they've probably got at least half of the eps fully filmed by now... It's an interesting thought though... Hugh Glen Keeper of the happy, wiggins(I've heard people using this one around town lately!!! WOOHOO!!!), and the wacky; Willow's 'deputy' laugh; Giles' wife beater 'T-shirt'; GASPer; AMSG'er(Xander rocks); and the virgin's saliva and Marnox root spell. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:23:22 EST From: tomwmac@juno.com (Thomas W MacCarrol) Subject: BUFFY: RE: BtVS&DC&IKWYDLS&others I'm not a DC fan, but know of it from comments onlist. While nursing a leg injury and other problems, I went on a video binge. One tape from Reel.com was IKWYDLS. As a 'Buffy' fan I found some real interesting recursive threads. 1> They talk about the body washing up on "Dawson's Beach" 2> Watch "Homecoming" and then the "Croaker Queen" contest could well have been an inspiration. SMG *does* look good in a tiara. 3>Her bedroom scene- the cheerleader pompoms (okay-they're a standard icon) but add in the ice skates (WML1 anyone?) Or maybe I was taking too much pain medication? Tom Mac Carrol tomwmac@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] - - ------------------------------ End of buffy-digest V2 #590 *************************** To subscribe to buffy or buffy-digest, send the command subscribe buffy-digest or subscribe buffy to majordomo@xmission.com. You will need to go through a confirmation process, and the listowners have to manually approve your subscription request, so it may take some time. Back issues of this digest can be found at: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/buffy/archive/ For help, contact Jill Kirby (jtkirby@mcs.com) or sah (romana@mindspring.com)