From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] potential growth Date: 30 Apr 2001 23:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Yes Ann, If I understand correctly. It is possible to save a spreadsheet as CSV (file, save as). That is how I generated the information. I chose to send it as a CSV (plain text in the body of the message because I saw people having problems with previous spreadsheets posted to this group. As far as getting online info into a spreadsheet. Yes it can be done. Depending on how the web page is setup, some can be copied and pasted to a plain text file (notepad) and then imported to spreadsheet. Some sites have an option to download raw data. Then many sites have the information in HTML form so that a simple copy and paste looks really messed up. There are shareware utilities to de-html a file. There may still be a lot of effort required. If you wish to continue this discussion, please send directly to my email address so we don't clutter the CANSLIM list with off topic chat. Regards Kent Norman --- Ann Hollingworth wrote: > Thanks for this, Kent. > Can you also use this backwards? I mean, can you > take the excel document and > translate it to CSV to send online. > Is there any other way I can use this? Can I > transcribe info from online > sources this way? > Thanks. > Ann > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Norman" > To: "CANSLIM" > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:44 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] potential growth > > > > Here is a list of mostly CS stocks. It shows how > close > > they are to 1.5x 50dma and 2x 200dma. Many people > > start watching for a chance to take profits when > the > > price approaches these points. > > > > This is comma separated value (CSV). To get it > into > > your spreadsheet: > > 1. Highlight the data > > 2. copy > > 3. Open notepad (or any plain text editor) > > 4. paste > > 5. save > > 6. open spreadsheet > > 7. file, open, pick the filename you saved it as > > 8. select delimited, CSV > > > > Regards > > Kent Norman > > > > symbol,current price,50MA,200MA, 1.5x50MA , > 2x200MA ,% > > above 50dma,% above 200dma, 1.5x POTENTIAL , 2x > > POTENTIAL > > aci,31.48,28.04,15.19, $ 42.06 , $ 30.38 > > ,11%,52%,34%,-3% > > ally,22.38,16.32,8.54, $ 24.48 , $ 17.08 > > ,27%,62%,9%,-24% > > coo,45.5,42.95,37.02, $ 64.43 , $ 74.04 > > ,6%,19%,42%,63% > > efds,20.5,18.11,11.59, $ 27.17 , $ 23.18 > > ,12%,43%,33%,13% > > escm,26.94,22.55,17.50, $ 33.83 , $ 35.00 > > ,16%,35%,26%,30% > > flya,11.11,8.97,6.91, $ 13.46 , $ 13.82 > > ,19%,38%,21%,24% > > gpi,18.2,13.19,10.76, $ 19.79 , $ 21.52 > > ,28%,41%,9%,18% > > hoc,36.02,25.24,16.75, $ 37.86 , $ 33.50 > > ,30%,53%,5%,-7% > > hov,17.9,13.25,9.19, $ 19.88 , $ 18.38 > > ,26%,49%,11%,3% > > IGT,57,51.90,42.90, $ 77.85 , $ 85.80 > > ,9%,25%,37%,51% > > igt,56.91,52.73,41.66, $ 79.10 , $ 83.32 > > ,7%,27%,39%,46% > > kmx,10.41,6.76,4.92, $ 10.14 , $ 9.84 > > ,35%,53%,-3%,-5% > > modt,11.46,9.19,8.96, $ 13.79 , $ 17.92 > > ,20%,22%,20%,56% > > movi,7.43,6.24,4.37, $ 9.36 , $ 8.74 > > ,16%,41%,26%,18% > > nvr,196,160.00,108.00, $ 240.00 , $ 216.00 > > ,18%,45%,22%,10% > > olog,26.8,24.34,19.40, $ 36.51 , $ 38.80 > > ,9%,28%,36%,45% > > optn,13,8.76,7.00, $ 13.14 , $ 14.00 > > ,33%,46%,1%,8% > > pbt,6.5,6.52,5.87, $ 9.78 , $ 11.74 > > ,0%,10%,50%,81% > > phm,49.5,38.00,34.06, $ 57.00 , $ 68.12 > > ,23%,31%,15%,38% > > rbnc,13.2,12.34,9.93, $ 18.51 , $ 19.86 > > ,7%,25%,40%,50% > > rcgi,28.78,26.49,23.51, $ 39.74 , $ 47.02 > > ,8%,18%,38%,63% > > rgfc,19.17,16.62,12.26, $ 24.93 , $ 24.52 > > ,13%,36%,30%,28% > > ryan,12.19,10.70,9.21, $ 16.05 , $ 18.42 > > ,12%,24%,32%,51% > > sfc,11.74,8.07,, $ 12.11 , ,31%,100%,3%,n/a > > stnv,13.64,10.03,8.01, $ 15.05 , $ 16.02 > > ,26%,41%,10%,17% > > strc,26.2,18.92,14.35, $ 28.38 , $ 28.70 > > ,28%,45%,8%,10% > > uslb,14,8.60,5.17, $ 12.90 , $ 10.34 > > ,39%,63%,-8%,-26% > > wgov,67.15,54.33,44.33, $ 81.50 , $ 88.66 > > ,19%,34%,21%,32% > > whes,29.5,22.97,, $ 34.46 , ,22%,100%,17%,n/a > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: VSEA (was Re: [CANSLIM] PIR Nosedive) Date: 01 May 2001 09:37:57 -0400 VSEA is not CANSLIM but its slump is an industry problem, not a VSEA problem. Compared to its peers in the chipmaking industry VSEA is undervalued. They have a virtual monopoly on their niche (ion implantation systems). When the industry recovers you will probably see VSEA outperform the group. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 12:05 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: VSEA (was Re: [CANSLIM] PIR Nosedive) > > > He ignores PEs on the trailing end, because that's history. He > pays close attention to forecasted PEs, because that's the > future, and reflects expectations. > > VSEA has a forecasted DECLINE in earnings of 19% this year (ends > Sep) and a further decline of 28% for next fiscal year. How is > that expected to enhance expectations of shareholders, in an era > of weak economics, but optimism that we are on the road to > recovery? > > There are huge numbers of stocks out there where the forecast is > still positive, even if not at the levels of just a year ago. > Declining forecasted earnings = declining expectations = > declining PE ratios (both trailing and forecasted). Even if > somehow they manage to beat forecasts and estimates, there is > still a good chance that declining expectations will cause the > stock to trade at a lower multiple, and thus a lower price unless > they beat forecasts and estimates by a huge margin. > > This stock has shown 7 consecutive sequential quarters of > earnings increases, and six of the past seven qtrs also had sales > increases sequentially. For the latest qtr, they show 13% > decline in earnings year to year, and over a 50% decline in > earnings sequentially. And that's on an 11% increase in revenues. > I call that busting the pattern, it certainly doesn't get me > hyped up to own this stock. > > There's a reason the trailing PE is only 13. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DougC > To: > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:19 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PIR Nosedive > > > I know WON does say that a low PE is low for a reason. > But he also ignores high PE's. Is that inconsistent? > > VSEA had a PE of 8 in early December and stock price > in the 20 to 25 range. Now, 5 months later, it's stock price > is 45 and PE still low at 13. > > Makes me wonder if PE's should be ignored on the low end > also. > > At 10:59 PM 4/30/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Too low of a PE is also a good warning flag, after all, the > >market (and all those other individual and institutional > >investors out there) may just know what they are doing, at the > >least they reflect "market sentiment". And a low trailing PE > >(even before today it was only 15) strongly suggests low > >expectations. The earnings forecast for only 10% growth only > >heightens that. That was probably the best single clue. > > > >Tom Worley > >stkguru@netside.net > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: DougC > >To: > >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:08 PM > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PIR Nosedive > > > > > > Even though > >PIR does not meet what most of us use as minimun criteria for > >canslim, there > >was nothing a person could have seen in the fundamentals on 4/10 > >that would > >have hinted at the break that occured today. PIR is a strong > >stock. Or was. As > >of today it has an EPS of 91, long term growth rate of 19, GRS > A, > >SMR A, > >earnings stability 8 (less than 25 is very good), cash flow > 1.20, > >ROE 20%. > >Even though its last qtr was only12% over same quarter previous > >year that's > >still not a bad number. Sequentially it's earnings growth were > >very good. PIR > >is making money and has little debt. It's PE is already down to > >11. Book value > >is 2.41. And as far as price volume action is concerned, there > >was only one > >distribution day after 04/10. that was on 04/24 when PIR closed > >down on greater > >volume than previous day. And that volume, 553K, was less than > >ADV of 716K. > >As far as stops are concerned...I would have gotten killed > >because I only use > >mental stops. but I can assure you I would be out today, or > early > >tomorrow, > >and I > >would'nt like back. Dems the breaks. > > > >As a comparison look at IGT. Far superior fundamentals but > really > >scary price > >volume action. On 04/18 broke to new high on 2x vol. (1.5M vs. > >adv of 755K.) > >Next day gave back all of previous gains on 2x vol. (1.7M - dist > >day) > >and closed on it's low. Seven days later, today, there's another > >dist day > >on vol > >greater than ADV. Not the way a handle should look. should be > >decreasing > >vol when handle forms. Yes I'm in IGT and yes I'm scared. > >Probably will get out > >tomorrow, without really incuring a loss yet, and just wait and > >see if the > >price/vol > >action improves...and just admit that I got in too early in the > >first place. > > > >In addition to your question about what to look for in > >price/volume action to > >forsee a break in stock price I also think PIR is a good example > >to counter > >WON's assertion that you only need to focus on 4 or 5 stocks. > >Below I list > >a chart > >from a book I read that had a section on reducing risk in > >stocks/options by > >increasing number of issues held. > > > ># of issues % Total Risk %Total Risk Reduced %Co. > >Related Risk > >Reduced > > 1 100 0 > >0 > > 2 80 20 > >29 > > 3 75 25 > >36 > > 4 70 30 > >43 > > 5 65 35 > >50 > > 10 50 50 > >71 > > 20 45 55 > >79 > > 40 40 60 > >86 > > 100 35 65 > >93 > > 2000 30 70 > >100 > > > >Based on this chart I use 10 as number of issues I want to hold. > > > > > > >PIR revised estimates today and took a dump. Fortunately I > don't > >own it, but > > >am looking for a lesson. It broke out on 4/10 on double > average > >volume. Just > > >buying in the first place would violate some rules: price < > $16, > >+12% EPS > > >last quarter. Assuming you bought on the breakout, what do you > >see in the > > >action following this that might have led you to sell? Add to > my > >list below: > > > > > >1. First day after breakout price fell below pivot on heavy > >volume. Closed > > >at its low. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO List Date: 01 May 2001 09:47:57 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0D223.CD2C6160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You get this question all the time, Tom. Why don't you put this = explanation at the top of each list? Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 4:44 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List "B" for Base, the number following is the nr of weeks it has been = basing, in my opinion. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dannygottlieb=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List I guess I am getting slow in my old age(47). Tom, what does the code = letter B signify in your list? Danny ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List Full list totaled 245, up strongly from last week's 195. Before = that it was 171 and 159. Please remember, this list is my thoughts from just looking at a = six month chart. It is intended as ideas for a watch list. Any comments = like "at pivot" or "still buyable" does not in any way mean I am = suggesting any member should buy the stock. USLB - B1+ RYL - possible handle forming on the cup CPN - B2 IGT - cup and handle, volume declining - my analysis posted = earlier TWRI - broke out Friday on less than ADV from a B4, within 4% of = base, low ADV apparently because most of the issue is locked up (neither = owned by management or funds, they both have 8%) CHS - high handle, sharp decline in volume ESI - short base on base? CPRT - B2 GCO - almost at pivot MKT - B2+ BWS - B7, vol and price spike on Friday after 3 weeks of below avg = volume EME - B2 MINI - B3 DME - B5 UVV - B5 PIR - volatile B3 ACAI - B3+ OFIX - B2 FDO - B5 below the high ISCA - B3- RSG - wedging FDC - B1+ OMG - 3 days of volume, b/o Thu, crossed the pivot Fri, weak = earnings forecast SASOY - B7, low priced SBMC - B3, tight, low vol FFCH - b/o Fri from B4, below pivot MTB - B4 DTE - B3 MATW - b/o Thu from B6, still buyable BOKF - B5 TGT - b/o Fri on lite vol, at the pivot EEI - B2, low price, low vol, already on my watch list BKNG - B7 EDS - B1+ handle on a smooth cup BANR - B3+ Happy Hunting, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0D223.CD2C6160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You get this question all the time, Tom.  Why = don't you put=20 this explanation at the top of each list?
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 4:44 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO=20 List

"B" for Base, the number following is the nr of = weeks it has=20 been basing, in my opinion.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 dannygottlieb
Sent: Saturday, April 28, = 2001 5:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO = List

I guess I am getting slow in my old = age(47).=20 Tom, what does the code letter B signify in your = list?
 Danny
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, April 28, = 2001 1:58=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO = List

Full list totaled 245, up strongly from last = week's 195.=20 Before that it was 171 and 159.
 
Please remember, this list is my thoughts from = just=20 looking at a six month chart. It is intended as ideas for a watch = list.=20 Any comments like "at pivot" or "still buyable" does not in any = way mean I=20 am suggesting any member should buy the stock.
 
USLB - B1+
RYL - possible handle forming on the = cup
CPN - B2
IGT - cup and handle, volume declining - = my=20 analysis posted earlier
TWRI - broke out Friday on less than ADV from = a B4,=20 within 4% of base, low ADV apparently because most of the issue is = locked=20 up (neither owned by management or funds, they both have = 8%)
CHS - high handle, sharp decline in = volume
ESI - short base on base?
CPRT - B2
GCO - almost at pivot
MKT - B2+
BWS - B7, vol and price spike on Friday after = 3 weeks of=20 below avg volume
EME - B2
MINI - B3
DME - B5
UVV - B5
PIR - volatile B3
ACAI - B3+
OFIX - B2
FDO - B5 below the high
ISCA - B3-
RSG - wedging
FDC - B1+
OMG - 3 days of volume, b/o Thu, crossed the = pivot Fri,=20 weak earnings forecast
SASOY - B7, low priced
SBMC - B3, tight, low vol
FFCH - b/o Fri from B4, below = pivot
MTB - B4
DTE - B3
MATW - b/o Thu from B6, still = buyable
BOKF - B5
TGT - b/o Fri on lite vol, at the = pivot
EEI - B2, low price, low vol, already on my = watch=20 list
BKNG - B7
EDS - B1+ handle on a smooth cup
BANR - B3+
 
Happy Hunting,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0D223.CD2C6160-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jsteff" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WLSN broke out on a large volume increase today. Date: 01 May 2001 10:22:45 -0400 Tom I was perusing your list and come upon SASOY. I was doing some research and saw on a website (I don't remember which one) that the recent(past 12 mths) cash flow/share was extremely low compared to past few years. Have you seen this? Also will you provide a bit of information pertaining to your interpretation on this company? Thanks Steff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:13 PM > Unfortunately, Ian, only speculation on how the 1st qtr may turn > out, or more importantly how investors, esp institutionals, will > react to it. Looks like this company loses money for three qtrs, > then makes it all in the 4th qtr. I can recall my wife and I > exchanging leather jackets during the post-Christmas sales, so > understand that. > > So maybe the 1st qtr they will lose less than the 5 cents they > lost last year. But the low trailing PE again, like PIR, suggests > that expectations are not very high. And with two of the three > months of Q2 sales already known, still expectation is not > driving the price higher (if you don't count today). With their > "big" quarter now out of the way, where's the excitement to drive > expectations for another nine months. That's one of the problems > with cyclical stocks heavily focused on one or two qtrs. > > Chart wise, I just see the current base from which it broke > today. The longer term pattern, esp in light of all the other > background noise ("M", economics, etc) only seem to confuse the > picture. If this is the handle to a cup, then at seven weeks, it > is suspiciously long. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian > To: > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:00 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] WLSN broke out on a large volume increase > today. > > > I see a nice cup from late August to early March, followed by a > shallow > handle. The pivot point was $20 1/8, and there was a nice window > early this > morning to get in there. As an added bonus, it also moved past > its 52-week > high of $21 1/2 today. Volume was impressive. > > They have announced sales results for Feb and Mar (up 25% and > 34%), so > perhaps they will have a strong Q and not lose money. WLSN is in > an > ultra-lumpy business, so sequential numbers mean nothing, but the > year-over-year #'s look good - and the P/E is less than 10. > > We'll see. > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] To Earl: severe weakness took me out too! Date: 01 May 2001 07:49:12 -0700 Out of SGR and SRCL, that is. Anyway, looks like CANSLIM is out of favor in an otherwise relatively strong rally, my accounts actually lost money yesterday and are in the hole so far today. I tightened my stops on my winners to a trailing 10% after getting stopped out of those two. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: [CANSLIM] DFXI Pullback Date: 01 May 2001 11:41:10 -0400 DFXI is back to within 5% of its pivot on lower volume. Is this a failed BO in the making or an opportunity to get in? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: To Earl: severe weakness took me out too!] Date: 01 May 2001 11:04:34 CDT Interesting observation Tim about CANSLIM being out of favor in the rally= =2E I noticed the same thing on my watch list. They seem to be going down duri= ng the rally. = Does anyone else notice the same thing? Any speculation on why that woul= d be? Could it it be that people tend to forget about fundamentals during the = rally and is going back to more speculative stocks? - Fanus "Tim Fisher" wrote: Out of SGR and SRCL, that is. Anyway, looks like CANSLIM is out of favor = in = an otherwise relatively strong rally, my accounts actually lost money = yesterday and are in the hole so far today. I tightened my stops on my = winners to a trailing 10% after getting stopped out of those two. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: To Earl: severe weakness took me out too!] Date: 01 May 2001 14:31:59 EDT Et Al. I haven't made a systematic study, but has anyone else noticed (particularly Earl, since I believe he follows the Tues. Institutional data in IBD) that many of the strongly based stocks (eg. Energy) have "D" or at the most "C" ratings in Tuesday's Institutional Data in IBD. If you have noticed, and this is accurate, what do you, Earl, believe it portends? To me, it looks as if the institutions believe this is a bear rally, and so they are selling into strength. I could be more certain if IBD told us when the Tues. IBD Institutional Data is gathered. I believe it is a few months out of date, so I'm not really certain how to handle that information. To me, the Tues. Inst. data is more misleading for this reason than it is helpful. This is because the institutions could now be buying, and the IBD user would believe they are selling. The way I figure is: I look at Tuesday's data and meld it with the A/D rating, and then hope that this gives me some semblance of an accurate conclusion. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PIR Nosedive Date: 01 May 2001 16:40:00 -0400 --0__=85256A3F0070BD9D8f9e8a93df938690918c85256A3F0070BD9D Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 2. The day of B/O close < open - formed what is known as doji. May indicate that the b/o does not have strength. Volume is high but where is the price advance? 3. THe next day opened higher, tried to rally but closed on the low (and below pivot). Add volume above ave to this and this indicates weakness. (On the bright side, though, the volume was lower than the day before.) 4.4/16 - 4/18 advance is on low volume. The next two days the price reversed without taking out the previous high... The whole pattern IMHO indicated hesitation. "Hugh Fader" @lists.xmission.com on 04/30/2001 08:50:37 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: PIR revised estimates today and took a dump. Fortunately I don't own it, but am looking for a lesson. It broke out on 4/10 on double average volume. Just buying in the first place would violate some rules: price < $16, +12% EPS last quarter. Assuming you bought on the breakout, what do you see in the action following this that might have led you to sell? Add to my list below: 1. First day after breakout price fell below pivot on heavy volume. Closed at its low. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Fader" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] PIR Nosedive Date: 01 May 2001 20:17:17 -0400 Tom, I see a cup going from 11/00 to 3/01, then a handle from 3/01 to 4/01. It is admittedly wide and loose. Am I missing something that invalidates this? - Hugh -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:48 PM Hi Hugh, Maybe it's just definitions differences, but I don't see a b/o on 4/10, by then it was already extended. The only b/o I see recently is on 4/5, when at least it had a short two week base to operate off of, and volume was better than 1.5 ADV. By 4/10, not only was there no base, but it was nearly 10% over that short base. The only thing that marks 4/10 as a "b/o" is that it hit a new high (thereby crossing the pivot, in at least one sense). But it takes more than simply making a new high to be a b/o, you need some kind of basing formation, and by 4/10 that was no longer evident. Had I been trying to buy this one, and failed to catch it around 13, I would have already saw it leave the train station by 4/10 and been looking for the next ride. This one is tricky, in that with home sales (both new and used) so strong, and rates falling, it stands to reason that retail companies selling home furnishings, and home improvement products, stand to see robust sales in the future. As to additional "rules" that would have warned you to stay away, start with the earnings forecast for this year of only 10% growth. That right there stops it being CANSLIM. Me personally, I don't like companies with weird fiscal years (this one ended Feb). If you can't end it on 12/31, at least end it on a normal calendar quarter so you're in the cycle with everyone else. Heck, even Japan manages to have all their companies close their year March 31 together. Bottom line for me is that in this highly volatile environment, where virtually every company big and small has warned they won't meet forecasts, the key is not so much what they did last (1st) qtr as investors only expect bad news there. The key is what they say about the future. I have seen numerous companies report above expectations, esp where the expectations were recently lowered, but their doom and gloom forecast for the rest of the year, or even next (2nd) qtr, was negative, and the stock was trashed. Surprisingly, I have also seen companies beat the 1st qtr forecasts/estimates, and speak well of the rest of the year, and still get trounced. Mostly happens on a bad day, but I've seen it on good days as well. Guess you just can't please all the people all the time. I look at the charts of every company I can find that says it will meet or beat expectations, regardless of whether it went up or down on the news. So far, I have not added many companies to my watch list with this method. Almost every one I faulted for some reason, often low RS. The only place I still am able to consistently find viable candidates is from the new highs stocks. And then only if I really like the chart, as well as all the fundies. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:50 PM PIR revised estimates today and took a dump. Fortunately I don't own it, but am looking for a lesson. It broke out on 4/10 on double average volume. Just buying in the first place would violate some rules: price < $16, +12% EPS last quarter. Assuming you bought on the breakout, what do you see in the action following this that might have led you to sell? Add to my list below: 1. First day after breakout price fell below pivot on heavy volume. Closed at its low. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: [CANSLIM] PHM Date: 01 May 2001 18:38:27 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D2A8.477E88EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why did PHM come down so hard and fast today? "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/01/01 18:36:39 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D2A8.477E88EC-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List Date: 01 May 2001 21:56:04 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0D289.85187920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's a good way to get a lurker to make his first post? Actually, I just figured I would get to the meat of the post, the list = itself, and members would remember for a coupla weeks where the list = comes from, its intention, and my shorthand. But it does work to draw = out the newer members! Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO List You get this question all the time, Tom. Why don't you put this = explanation at the top of each list? Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 4:44 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List "B" for Base, the number following is the nr of weeks it has been = basing, in my opinion. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dannygottlieb=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List I guess I am getting slow in my old age(47). Tom, what does the = code letter B signify in your list? Danny ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 1:58 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List Full list totaled 245, up strongly from last week's 195. Before = that it was 171 and 159. Please remember, this list is my thoughts from just looking at a = six month chart. It is intended as ideas for a watch list. Any comments = like "at pivot" or "still buyable" does not in any way mean I am = suggesting any member should buy the stock. USLB - B1+ RYL - possible handle forming on the cup CPN - B2 IGT - cup and handle, volume declining - my analysis posted = earlier TWRI - broke out Friday on less than ADV from a B4, within 4% of = base, low ADV apparently because most of the issue is locked up (neither = owned by management or funds, they both have 8%) CHS - high handle, sharp decline in volume ESI - short base on base? CPRT - B2 GCO - almost at pivot MKT - B2+ BWS - B7, vol and price spike on Friday after 3 weeks of below = avg volume EME - B2 MINI - B3 DME - B5 UVV - B5 PIR - volatile B3 ACAI - B3+ OFIX - B2 FDO - B5 below the high ISCA - B3- RSG - wedging FDC - B1+ OMG - 3 days of volume, b/o Thu, crossed the pivot Fri, weak = earnings forecast SASOY - B7, low priced SBMC - B3, tight, low vol FFCH - b/o Fri from B4, below pivot MTB - B4 DTE - B3 MATW - b/o Thu from B6, still buyable BOKF - B5 TGT - b/o Fri on lite vol, at the pivot EEI - B2, low price, low vol, already on my watch list BKNG - B7 EDS - B1+ handle on a smooth cup BANR - B3+ Happy Hunting, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0D289.85187920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's a good way to get a lurker to make his first=20 post?
 
Actually, I just figured I would get to the meat of = the post,=20 the list itself, and members would remember for a coupla weeks where the = list=20 comes from, its intention, and my shorthand. But it does work to draw = out the=20 newer members!
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Parsons
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 = 9:47 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO = List

You get this question all the time, Tom.  Why = don't you=20 put this explanation at the top of each = list?
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 = 4:44=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List

"B" for Base, the number following is the nr of = weeks it=20 has been basing, in my opinion.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 dannygottlieb
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, April 28, = 2001 5:19=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO = List

I guess I am getting slow in my = old age(47).=20 Tom, what does the code letter B signify in your = list?
 Danny
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, April 28, = 2001 1:58=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO = List

Full list totaled 245, up strongly from last = week's=20 195. Before that it was 171 and 159.
 
Please remember, this list is my thoughts = from just=20 looking at a six month chart. It is intended as ideas for a = watch list.=20 Any comments like "at pivot" or "still buyable" does not in any = way mean=20 I am suggesting any member should buy the stock.
 
USLB - B1+
RYL - possible handle forming on the = cup
CPN - B2
IGT - cup and handle, volume declining = - my=20 analysis posted earlier
TWRI - broke out Friday on less than ADV = from a B4,=20 within 4% of base, low ADV apparently because most of the issue = is=20 locked up (neither owned by management or funds, they both have=20 8%)
CHS - high handle, sharp decline in=20 volume
ESI - short base on base?
CPRT - B2
GCO - almost at pivot
MKT - B2+
BWS - B7, vol and price spike on Friday = after 3 weeks=20 of below avg volume
EME - B2
MINI - B3
DME - B5
UVV - B5
PIR - volatile B3
ACAI - B3+
OFIX - B2
FDO - B5 below the high
ISCA - B3-
RSG - wedging
FDC - B1+
OMG - 3 days of volume, b/o Thu, crossed the = pivot=20 Fri, weak earnings forecast
SASOY - B7, low priced
SBMC - B3, tight, low vol
FFCH - b/o Fri from B4, below = pivot
MTB - B4
DTE - B3
MATW - b/o Thu from B6, still = buyable
BOKF - B5
TGT - b/o Fri on lite vol, at the = pivot
EEI - B2, low price, low vol, already on my = watch=20 list
BKNG - B7
EDS - B1+ handle on a smooth = cup
BANR - B3+
 
Happy Hunting,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0D289.85187920-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: To Earl: severe weakness took me out too!] Date: 01 May 2001 19:08:31 -0700 (PDT) How about just plain old "lemming mentality". If enough people select a bad stock, the price will still go up. The big names have made so many impressions in minds of "investors" that they buy the household names, good bad or ugly. INTC, ORCL, JNPR, CSCO, DELL .... I just wish I could see the herd coming so I could front run them ;-) Tongue in cheek Kent Norman --- Fanus wrote: > Interesting observation Tim about CANSLIM being out > of favor in the rally. I > noticed the same thing on my watch list. They seem > to be going down during > the rally. > > Does anyone else notice the same thing? Any > speculation on why that would be? > Could it it be that people tend to forget about > fundamentals during the rally > and is going back to more speculative stocks? > > - Fanus > > "Tim Fisher" wrote: > Out of SGR and SRCL, that is. Anyway, looks like > CANSLIM is out of favor in > an otherwise relatively strong rally, my accounts > actually lost money > yesterday and are in the hole so far today. I > tightened my stops on my > winners to a trailing 10% after getting stopped out > of those two. > > > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Pullback Date: 01 May 2001 19:11:01 -0700 (PDT) WONDERFUL QUESTION Dave I have wondered that many times! I have read about a price falling back to the base and giving another chance to buy in. Perhaps it has something to do with how far it falls? If it goes below the former bottom channel perhaps? Just my guess Kent Norman --- Dave Rubin wrote: > DFXI is back to within 5% of its pivot on lower > volume. Is this a failed BO > in the making or an opportunity to get in? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PHM Date: 01 May 2001 22:14:40 EDT Nancy: There was news on PHM today which, I believe, impacted on the price of the stock. The news caused distribution bigtime (actually yesterdays decline would have caused me to sell-I believe-if I had owned it). The news which made the funds run for the hills, is: Pulte to Buy Del Webb for $1.7 Billion in Stock, Debt Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, May 1 (Bloomberg) -- Pulte Corp. agreed to buy Del Webb Corp., the largest developer of retirement communities, for $1.73 billion in stock and debt to create the largest U.S. homebuilder. Pulte will pay about $730 million in stock, or $39 a share, and assume $1 billion in debt for the Phoenix-based company, known for its Sun City developments. The price is a 15 percent premium to Del Webb's price yesterday. jans In a message dated 5/1/2001 9:42:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NDiFabio@irell.com writes: << Why did PHM come down so hard and fast today? >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: To Earl: severe weakness took me out too!] Date: 01 May 2001 20:19:13 -0600 After spending some time trying to understand how they generate the rankings and watching the average rank go to the toilet, I have given up on this ranking. In my latest installment, I looked at the half dozen stocks now rated an A and noted that only one or two had fund holdings above 5%. In fact, most of the "As" showed 0% funds on DGO. Somehow, I was disturbed that stocks with no fund ownership were the only ones with good ratings. I've also noticed that a "D" is about average now. Overall, I just don't think this ranking uses the kind of data that I thought it did. I thought they looked closely at funds that were buying vs. selling, but it looks more like they look at the average fund rating of the funds holding the stock. I wonder how you can average a "D" if all the funds average a "C"?? At 02:31 PM 5/1/01 EDT, you wrote: >Et Al. > > I haven't made a systematic study, but has anyone else noticed >(particularly Earl, since I believe he follows the Tues. Institutional data >in IBD) that many of the strongly based stocks (eg. Energy) have "D" or at >the most "C" ratings in Tuesday's Institutional Data in IBD. > > If you have noticed, and this is accurate, what do you, Earl, believe it >portends? To me, it looks as if the institutions believe this is a bear >rally, and so they are selling into strength. > > I could be more certain if IBD told us when the Tues. IBD Institutional >Data is gathered. I believe it is a few months out of date, so I'm not >really certain how to handle that information. To me, the Tues. Inst. data >is more misleading for this reason than it is helpful. This is because the >institutions could now be buying, and the IBD user would believe they are >selling. > > The way I figure is: I look at Tuesday's data and meld it with the A/D >rating, and then hope that this gives me some semblance of an accurate >conclusion. > >jans > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PHM Date: 01 May 2001 20:23:07 -0600 Two things happened this week 1 - PHM was specifically downgraded yesterday as a part of a generally negative statement on Builders. Most of the builders were weak, PHM was worse. 2 - Today PHM announced they were buying WBB. As is usually the case, the buyer plummets as the seller flies. Wish I had grabbed WBB instead!!! At 06:38 PM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: > Why did PHM come down so hard and fast today? <>" made the following > annotations on 05/01/01 18:36:39 > > PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include >privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or >use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is >strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended >recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then >delete it from your system. Thank you. > > > ============================================================================== > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: To Earl: severe weakness took me out too!] Date: 01 May 2001 22:36:13 EDT Earl: I agree that it is hard (if not impossible) to make heads or tails of Tuesday's Institutional Sponsorship Ratings (TISRs). According to IBD: TISRs average the 3 year performance of ALL the funds owning the stock-plus it includes the momentum of recent quarters of these funds owning the stock. One shortcoming is that they rank stocks with NO mutual fund ownership as "A". How can a stock which has no fund ownership be qualifed for an "A" rating? Such a thing misleads rather than helps. It would be nice if IBD recognized that fact. Also, IBD doesn't tell you when the ratings are generated. Are they calculated each week, or are they calculated only every several months when the mutuals have to tell the SEC what they are buying and selling? It would be nice if IBD's "Investors Corner" published an article telling its subscribers how to use TISR-and why it is worth a column in Tuesday's stock tables. As it is, I think IBD has a column to fill, so it is filling it with nonsensical data like TISR. It is hard for me to believe that WON is anything but a pitchman (with a good analytical mind, to be sure) when he allows such baggage to be attached to his IBD ship! jans In a message dated 5/1/2001 10:20:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esetser@covad.net writes: << After spending some time trying to understand how they generate the rankings and watching the average rank go to the toilet, I have given up on this ranking. In my latest installment, I looked at the half dozen stocks now rated an A and noted that only one or two had fund holdings above 5%. In fact, most of the "As" showed 0% funds on DGO. Somehow, I was disturbed that stocks with no fund ownership were the only ones with good ratings. I've also noticed that a "D" is about average now. Overall, I just don't think this ranking uses the kind of data that I thought it did. I thought they looked closely at funds that were buying vs. selling, but it looks more like they look at the average fund rating of the funds holding the stock. I wonder how you can average a "D" if all the funds average a "C"?? >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: To Earl: severe weakness took me out too!] Date: 01 May 2001 23:20:05 -0400 I think the logic behind a stock with no funds ownership getting an "A" is that any, and I mean any (regardless of grading), fund buying will likely strengthen the stock price. And it's not diluted down, at least initially, by any weak funds ownership. I think funds all have to report their entire holdings every quarter (hence the quarterly "window dressing" effect), but I think some funds are now reporting monthly, or at least releasing their top holdings either online or otherwise, each month. As a result, we may now be seeing some limited monthly "window dressing". I saw this same process with quarterly "triple witching" on options, where so many got tired of the extreme volatility on Friday that they started making their adjustments on Thursday, then Wednesday, then Tuesday, until it became a more subdued week long process. I always assume that funds ownership data is stale, anywhere from a week to several months. I look at it, I consider it, but am perfectly happy buying without their company, at least when I buy. I love their company later on. I am paying far more attention to the venture capital investing, and pension fund managers buying, than to the mutual funds. They tend to report closer to real time, so easier to understand with relation to price and volume moves. And I feel the pension fund mgrs at least partially reflect the investing thinking of the funds. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:36 PM too!] Earl: I agree that it is hard (if not impossible) to make heads or tails of Tuesday's Institutional Sponsorship Ratings (TISRs). According to IBD: TISRs average the 3 year performance of ALL the funds owning the stock-plus it includes the momentum of recent quarters of these funds owning the stock. One shortcoming is that they rank stocks with NO mutual fund ownership as "A". How can a stock which has no fund ownership be qualifed for an "A" rating? Such a thing misleads rather than helps. It would be nice if IBD recognized that fact. Also, IBD doesn't tell you when the ratings are generated. Are they calculated each week, or are they calculated only every several months when the mutuals have to tell the SEC what they are buying and selling? It would be nice if IBD's "Investors Corner" published an article telling its subscribers how to use TISR-and why it is worth a column in Tuesday's stock tables. As it is, I think IBD has a column to fill, so it is filling it with nonsensical data like TISR. It is hard for me to believe that WON is anything but a pitchman (with a good analytical mind, to be sure) when he allows such baggage to be attached to his IBD ship! jans In a message dated 5/1/2001 10:20:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esetser@covad.net writes: << After spending some time trying to understand how they generate the rankings and watching the average rank go to the toilet, I have given up on this ranking. In my latest installment, I looked at the half dozen stocks now rated an A and noted that only one or two had fund holdings above 5%. In fact, most of the "As" showed 0% funds on DGO. Somehow, I was disturbed that stocks with no fund ownership were the only ones with good ratings. I've also noticed that a "D" is about average now. Overall, I just don't think this ranking uses the kind of data that I thought it did. I thought they looked closely at funds that were buying vs. selling, but it looks more like they look at the average fund rating of the funds holding the stock. I wonder how you can average a "D" if all the funds average a "C"?? >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PHM Date: 01 May 2001 23:35:53 -0400 The major effect was without doubt the buyout offer of Del Webb. But add another factor to the whole group, today's Construction Report while up showed a 0.7% drop in home construction spending. With interest rates the way they are, and a fair chance that rates could fall even further, I don't thing the new home construction boom is over, but it definitely appears to me to be slowing. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:23 PM Two things happened this week 1 - PHM was specifically downgraded yesterday as a part of a generally negative statement on Builders. Most of the builders were weak, PHM was worse. 2 - Today PHM announced they were buying WBB. As is usually the case, the buyer plummets as the seller flies. Wish I had grabbed WBB instead!!! At 06:38 PM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: > Why did PHM come down so hard and fast today? <>" made the following > annotations on 05/01/01 18:36:39 > ------------- > PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include >privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or >use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is >strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended >recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then >delete it from your system. Thank you. > > > ================================================================= ============= > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Pullback Date: 01 May 2001 23:48:58 -0400 Dave and Kent, I definitely would consider it as a failed breakout, as both the volume and price action previously should meet anyone's criteria as a "breakout". What to do now, and why did it fail? Today's volume at over 3X ADV, and assuming there was no news on the company or sector/group, is still serious. Maybe it just got infested recently with a lot of day traders. Or maybe the bottom fishers who bot in the bottom of the cup, or up along the right side of the cup, got tired of waiting. In any event, it now has several possibilities: resume a fresh b/o; base, fall further. Until the stock makes up its mind, it's not a buying opportunity. It does have excellent CS qualities, as well as excellent sequential and year to year comparisons. So I doubt it's done, but should be on your watch list rather than a "hot buy" list. Let it base, if it's going to do that, or let it b/o again on confirmatory volume. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:11 PM WONDERFUL QUESTION Dave I have wondered that many times! I have read about a price falling back to the base and giving another chance to buy in. Perhaps it has something to do with how far it falls? If it goes below the former bottom channel perhaps? Just my guess Kent Norman --- Dave Rubin wrote: > DFXI is back to within 5% of its pivot on lower > volume. Is this a failed BO > in the making or an opportunity to get in? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PIR Nosedive Date: 01 May 2001 23:55:35 -0400 I feel the "wide and loose" pattern from early March to early April fails to confirm the cup. For me, this is just too volatile to call a handle, unless I compress it with weekly five year charts. On the other hand, the tight base, on declining volume, that formed the base during the last week of March into the first week of April, seems to have given a weak confirmation of the c&h pattern. It is, of course, somewhat weaker by only being 2 weeks long. But that's not too bad for a handle, compared to a simple flat base, where you want 6-8 weeks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 8:17 PM Tom, I see a cup going from 11/00 to 3/01, then a handle from 3/01 to 4/01. It is admittedly wide and loose. Am I missing something that invalidates this? - Hugh -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:48 PM Hi Hugh, Maybe it's just definitions differences, but I don't see a b/o on 4/10, by then it was already extended. The only b/o I see recently is on 4/5, when at least it had a short two week base to operate off of, and volume was better than 1.5 ADV. By 4/10, not only was there no base, but it was nearly 10% over that short base. The only thing that marks 4/10 as a "b/o" is that it hit a new high (thereby crossing the pivot, in at least one sense). But it takes more than simply making a new high to be a b/o, you need some kind of basing formation, and by 4/10 that was no longer evident. Had I been trying to buy this one, and failed to catch it around 13, I would have already saw it leave the train station by 4/10 and been looking for the next ride. This one is tricky, in that with home sales (both new and used) so strong, and rates falling, it stands to reason that retail companies selling home furnishings, and home improvement products, stand to see robust sales in the future. As to additional "rules" that would have warned you to stay away, start with the earnings forecast for this year of only 10% growth. That right there stops it being CANSLIM. Me personally, I don't like companies with weird fiscal years (this one ended Feb). If you can't end it on 12/31, at least end it on a normal calendar quarter so you're in the cycle with everyone else. Heck, even Japan manages to have all their companies close their year March 31 together. Bottom line for me is that in this highly volatile environment, where virtually every company big and small has warned they won't meet forecasts, the key is not so much what they did last (1st) qtr as investors only expect bad news there. The key is what they say about the future. I have seen numerous companies report above expectations, esp where the expectations were recently lowered, but their doom and gloom forecast for the rest of the year, or even next (2nd) qtr, was negative, and the stock was trashed. Surprisingly, I have also seen companies beat the 1st qtr forecasts/estimates, and speak well of the rest of the year, and still get trounced. Mostly happens on a bad day, but I've seen it on good days as well. Guess you just can't please all the people all the time. I look at the charts of every company I can find that says it will meet or beat expectations, regardless of whether it went up or down on the news. So far, I have not added many companies to my watch list with this method. Almost every one I faulted for some reason, often low RS. The only place I still am able to consistently find viable candidates is from the new highs stocks. And then only if I really like the chart, as well as all the fundies. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:50 PM PIR revised estimates today and took a dump. Fortunately I don't own it, but am looking for a lesson. It broke out on 4/10 on double average volume. Just buying in the first place would violate some rules: price < $16, +12% EPS last quarter. Assuming you bought on the breakout, what do you see in the action following this that might have led you to sell? Add to my list below: 1. First day after breakout price fell below pivot on heavy volume. Closed at its low. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] To Earl: severe weakness took me out too! Date: 02 May 2001 00:01:28 -0400 Tim, I can understand how SRCL stopped you out, but I don't understand SGR. Were you using less than a 15% trailing stop / still in an entry point stop of 8%? I don't think CANSLIM is so much out of favor as we are seeing an inflow of big money chasing the big names that appear cheap. VIX is down, which may be eventually helping refocus on earnings growth rates. Fundies win out eventually, even in the midst of euphoria. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:49 AM Out of SGR and SRCL, that is. Anyway, looks like CANSLIM is out of favor in an otherwise relatively strong rally, my accounts actually lost money yesterday and are in the hole so far today. I tightened my stops on my winners to a trailing 10% after getting stopped out of those two. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: SASOY (was Re: [CANSLIM] WLSN broke out on a large volume increase today.) Date: 02 May 2001 00:25:55 -0400 Hi Steff, Not sure if you are referring to my latest DGO List, or my previously posted watch list, since SASOY made both. If the DGO List, I do no due diligence on it before posting, it is simply a humanly reviewed list of charts based on them being in WON's Daily Graphs, having both RS and EPS of 80 or better as of Friday, and having been within or at new highs during the prior week. I have only recently started paying more attention to cash flow levels since IBD focused on it. Before that, I mostly considered it one of the Motley Fool's more esoteric criteria, and only noted it in passing. So don't know about recent trends, but do see that at $0.97 currently, it still surpasses last year's earnings of $0.91/share, so believe that remains a positive. Obviously, future quarters could change that. My interpretation of this stock? As always, very opinionated, especially when it comes to my own investing. And very subjective, I might add. Low priced (a negative), and very thinly traded (also a negative) for such a large cap stock (market cap is $5.58 BILLION, with an issue and float of over 600 million shares, but an ADV of only 107,600 shares. This alone makes it too risky for most CANSLIMers or investors in general, and certainly not without some research to understand why there is only a 1% funds ownership, and virtually none by management. It's a foreign stock (S. African) which introduces added risk with currency exchange rates, but it's in the oil products sector (currently hot, GRS 95 - Oilgas marketing refining). Political climate appears stable for the moment, but that is subject to rapid change. Five year earnings growth is only 1%, but for present year forecasted to grow earnings 63%. But next year's forecast dismal, but that seems to be the case for most of the oil related stocks. Trailing PE still quite low, even for the oil producers, at 8, and projected PE is even lower at 6.2. ROE decent at 24%. Timeliness and A/D both only a "C". Bottom line, struck me as an undervalued oil related stock, low priced, and worth watching. Probably will do nothing, and I will eventually delete it from my watch list as too boring. Too many questions and negatives does not help it, in my estimate. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:22 AM today. Tom I was perusing your list and come upon SASOY. I was doing some research and saw on a website (I don't remember which one) that the recent(past 12 mths) cash flow/share was extremely low compared to past few years. Have you seen this? Also will you provide a bit of information pertaining to your interpretation on this company? Thanks Steff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:13 PM today. > Unfortunately, Ian, only speculation on how the 1st qtr may turn > out, or more importantly how investors, esp institutionals, will > react to it. Looks like this company loses money for three qtrs, > then makes it all in the 4th qtr. I can recall my wife and I > exchanging leather jackets during the post-Christmas sales, so > understand that. > > So maybe the 1st qtr they will lose less than the 5 cents they > lost last year. But the low trailing PE again, like PIR, suggests > that expectations are not very high. And with two of the three > months of Q2 sales already known, still expectation is not > driving the price higher (if you don't count today). With their > "big" quarter now out of the way, where's the excitement to drive > expectations for another nine months. That's one of the problems > with cyclical stocks heavily focused on one or two qtrs. > > Chart wise, I just see the current base from which it broke > today. The longer term pattern, esp in light of all the other > background noise ("M", economics, etc) only seem to confuse the > picture. If this is the handle to a cup, then at seven weeks, it > is suspiciously long. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian > To: > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:00 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] WLSN broke out on a large volume increase > today. > > > I see a nice cup from late August to early March, followed by a > shallow > handle. The pivot point was $20 1/8, and there was a nice window > early this > morning to get in there. As an added bonus, it also moved past > its 52-week > high of $21 1/2 today. Volume was impressive. > > They have announced sales results for Feb and Mar (up 25% and > 34%), so > perhaps they will have a strong Q and not lose money. WLSN is in > an > ultra-lumpy business, so sequential numbers mean nothing, but the > year-over-year #'s look good - and the P/E is less than 10. > > We'll see. > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOOWLS@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PHM Date: 02 May 2001 00:29:08 EDT In a message dated 5/1/01 8:42:12 PM Central Daylight Time, NDiFabio@irell.com writes: PHM completed an Evening Star (Japanese Candlestick terminology) on Monday 4/30. The doji last Friday was a warning signal that the recent uptrend was running out of steam. One possible exit strategy when you have a nice run followed by a doji is to tighten your trailing sell stop to just below the low of the doji. Most of the time if the price dips below the sell stop, a new base will need to be formed before that stock can advance and the just completed pattern will be the left lip of the new base. Occasionally the uptrend will continue and you can capture a little more profit before the intermediate move is over. Mike Goode - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 01 May 2001 20:33:11 -0600 First, I have had a couple of people respond to my Clearstation "sell" notifications here. For those who didn't know, my original message wasn't posted here, and it basically said I was dumped out of several stocks. Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, 2 other stocks, and added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. At that point, 4 of 5 stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this rally would be different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day later, and I've been stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of my funds (more or less). I got burned 2-fold. I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly on Monday and Tuesday. One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then plummeted. In the end, I took losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, I'm very surprised to see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has 5-10 potential CANSLIM breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this something that happens to the top group very often? Have others witnessed this kind of meltdown very often? My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely late last week, and then seemed to be resting a bit just above the pivot. It looked ready to move higher, especially with its group moving up rapidly, so I gave it a shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as soon as I saw the drop (about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the stock had moved up on the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a VERY UNUSUAL dividend announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, everyone who owned the stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share in a few weeks. At that point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their holdings at a new high, and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. Given this, there seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. I mean, the value of last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect HUGE downward pressure on the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an example. This is clearly my fault for not reading the news before buying, but has anyone seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely that the stock price would hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to me. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 01 May 2001 23:16:11 -0700 Earl, I'm still holding MDC (though shakey) for a zero profit. I saw it dive today but use end of day closing prices and mental stops for my entries and exits so I was spared the larger loss. Tommorrow my change that (!). I get the feeling the home builders and others like gaming (ally igt etc) may have seen their short term best. Maybe now the market will start to embrace the tech stocks again. I've never felt that the above mentioned stocks would be the new leaders though I thought they might gain a bit more for the short term Guess it's time to see which way the market is going to go again. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:33 PM snip > I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly on Monday and Tuesday. > One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then plummeted. In the end, I took > losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, I'm very surprised to > see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has 5-10 potential CANSLIM > breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this something that happens > to the top group very often? Have others witnessed this kind of meltdown > very often? snip - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Lucero" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 02 May 2001 00:39:13 -0700 I bought PPDI last Wednesday after it broke out and placed my sell stop at 51.75, so I'm still in. I would have sold at least half if it had closed below the pivot, instead of right on it. It sounds like a normal stock split, which doesn't increase anyone's value. I believe if you sell now, your stock dividend will go with the shares you sold. Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:33 PM > First, I have had a couple of people respond to my Clearstation "sell" > notifications here. For those who didn't know, my original message wasn't > posted here, and it basically said I was dumped out of several stocks. > > Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... > > > Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, 2 other stocks, and > added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. At that point, 4 of 5 > stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this rally would be > different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day later, and I've been > stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of my funds (more or less). > I got burned 2-fold. > > I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly on Monday and Tuesday. > One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then plummeted. In the end, I took > losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, I'm very surprised to > see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has 5-10 potential CANSLIM > breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this something that happens > to the top group very often? Have others witnessed this kind of meltdown > very often? > > My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely late last week, and > then seemed to be resting a bit just above the pivot. It looked ready to > move higher, especially with its group moving up rapidly, so I gave it a > shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as soon as I saw the drop > (about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the stock had moved up on > the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a VERY UNUSUAL dividend > announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, everyone who owned the > stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share in a few weeks. At that > point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their holdings at a new high, > and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. Given this, there > seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. I mean, the value of > last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect HUGE downward pressure on > the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an example. This is > clearly my fault for not reading the news before buying, but has anyone > seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely that the stock price would > hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to me. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 02 May 2001 07:24:26 -0400 You are completely correct, Mike. Earl is confusing a cash dividend, where the record date of April 27 means something, with a stock split (in this case called by the company a dividend, but means the same). On a cash dividend, the closing price of the stock will be adjusted downward by the amount of the dividend once it goes ex-dividend on record date. On a split, the price will be adjusted downward by the ratio of the split (in this case it's a 2 for 1 split, so the price will be cut in half) on the pay or distribution date of May 11. Up until then, it trades at pre-split prices, and anyone buying or holding will get the split shares. After that, it will trade at half the price, and a buyer is not entitled to the split shares. I suspect companies of using the term dividend instead of split as thinking they can fool shareholders into thinking they are being given something for nothing. Usually happens with younger companies that are not paying a real dividend (in cash). By the time they mature enough to pay a true dividend, they usually have learned the difference. I see nothing obvious in the earnings release to have caused the selloff. Since it's already two weeks old, I doubt that is the cause. Possibly some analyst downgraded it, or lowered earnings estimates, or set a lowered price target. Or maybe there was bad news for a competitor, or a company they do business with. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:39 AM I bought PPDI last Wednesday after it broke out and placed my sell stop at 51.75, so I'm still in. I would have sold at least half if it had closed below the pivot, instead of right on it. It sounds like a normal stock split, which doesn't increase anyone's value. I believe if you sell now, your stock dividend will go with the shares you sold. Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:33 PM > First, I have had a couple of people respond to my Clearstation "sell" > notifications here. For those who didn't know, my original message wasn't > posted here, and it basically said I was dumped out of several stocks. > > Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... > > > Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, 2 other stocks, and > added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. At that point, 4 of 5 > stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this rally would be > different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day later, and I've been > stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of my funds (more or less). > I got burned 2-fold. > > I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly on Monday and Tuesday. > One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then plummeted. In the end, I took > losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, I'm very surprised to > see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has 5-10 potential CANSLIM > breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this something that happens > to the top group very often? Have others witnessed this kind of meltdown > very often? > > My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely late last week, and > then seemed to be resting a bit just above the pivot. It looked ready to > move higher, especially with its group moving up rapidly, so I gave it a > shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as soon as I saw the drop > (about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the stock had moved up on > the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a VERY UNUSUAL dividend > announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, everyone who owned the > stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share in a few weeks. At that > point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their holdings at a new high, > and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. Given this, there > seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. I mean, the value of > last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect HUGE downward pressure on > the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an example. This is > clearly my fault for not reading the news before buying, but has anyone > seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely that the stock price would > hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to me. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 02 May 2001 07:00:59 -0600 OK, so it really is a split and not a dividend? The company announcement really confused me on this one. At 07:24 AM 5/2/01 -0400, you wrote: >You are completely correct, Mike. Earl is confusing a cash >dividend, where the record date of April 27 means something, with >a stock split (in this case called by the company a dividend, but >means the same). > >On a cash dividend, the closing price of the stock will be >adjusted downward by the amount of the dividend once it goes >ex-dividend on record date. On a split, the price will be >adjusted downward by the ratio of the split (in this case it's a >2 for 1 split, so the price will be cut in half) on the pay or >distribution date of May 11. > >Up until then, it trades at pre-split prices, and anyone buying >or holding will get the split shares. After that, it will trade >at half the price, and a buyer is not entitled to the split >shares. > >I suspect companies of using the term dividend instead of split >as thinking they can fool shareholders into thinking they are >being given something for nothing. Usually happens with younger >companies that are not paying a real dividend (in cash). By the >time they mature enough to pay a true dividend, they usually have >learned the difference. > >I see nothing obvious in the earnings release to have caused the >selloff. Since it's already two weeks old, I doubt that is the >cause. Possibly some analyst downgraded it, or lowered earnings >estimates, or set a lowered price target. Or maybe there was bad >news for a competitor, or a company they do business with. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mike Lucero >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:39 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > >I bought PPDI last Wednesday after it broke out and placed my >sell stop at >51.75, so I'm still in. I would have sold at least half if it had >closed >below the pivot, instead of right on it. It sounds like a normal >stock >split, which doesn't increase anyone's value. I believe if you >sell now, >your stock dividend will go with the shares you sold. > >Mike >----- Original Message ----- >From: "esetser" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:33 PM >Subject: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > >> First, I have had a couple of people respond to my Clearstation >"sell" >> notifications here. For those who didn't know, my original >message wasn't >> posted here, and it basically said I was dumped out of several >stocks. >> >> Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... >> >> >> Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, 2 other >stocks, and >> added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. At that >point, 4 of 5 >> stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this rally >would be >> different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day later, and I've >been >> stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of my funds >(more or >less). >> I got burned 2-fold. >> >> I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly on Monday >and Tuesday. >> One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then plummeted. In the >end, I >took >> losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, I'm very >surprised to >> see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has 5-10 potential >CANSLIM >> breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this something >that >happens >> to the top group very often? Have others witnessed this kind >of meltdown >> very often? >> >> My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely late last >week, and >> then seemed to be resting a bit just above the pivot. It >looked ready to >> move higher, especially with its group moving up rapidly, so I >gave it a >> shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as soon as I saw >the drop >> (about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the stock had >moved up on >> the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a VERY >UNUSUAL dividend >> announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, everyone who >owned the >> stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share in a few >weeks. At >that >> point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their holdings at a >new high, >> and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. Given >this, there >> seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. I mean, >the value of >> last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect HUGE downward >pressure on >> the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an example. >This is >> clearly my fault for not reading the news before buying, but >has anyone >> seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely that the stock >price >would >> hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to me. >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: [CANSLIM] low vol handle Date: 02 May 2001 08:14:57 -0500 OK, for my continuing education, why is a low vol handle superior/desirable? If the point of forming a handle is to let those who bot near the previous high get out, wouldn't we want to see a lot of selling by those folks. In addition, wouldn't the selling of those who bot the bottom, combined with the selling of those who bot the last high (and want to break even) make for good vol near the pivot (=handle area)? Norman Boyd theboyd@tisd.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 02 May 2001 09:24:33 -0400 Don't worry, Earl, it's a perfectly normal 2:1 split from what I read. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:00 AM OK, so it really is a split and not a dividend? The company announcement really confused me on this one. At 07:24 AM 5/2/01 -0400, you wrote: >You are completely correct, Mike. Earl is confusing a cash >dividend, where the record date of April 27 means something, with >a stock split (in this case called by the company a dividend, but >means the same). > >On a cash dividend, the closing price of the stock will be >adjusted downward by the amount of the dividend once it goes >ex-dividend on record date. On a split, the price will be >adjusted downward by the ratio of the split (in this case it's a >2 for 1 split, so the price will be cut in half) on the pay or >distribution date of May 11. > >Up until then, it trades at pre-split prices, and anyone buying >or holding will get the split shares. After that, it will trade >at half the price, and a buyer is not entitled to the split >shares. > >I suspect companies of using the term dividend instead of split >as thinking they can fool shareholders into thinking they are >being given something for nothing. Usually happens with younger >companies that are not paying a real dividend (in cash). By the >time they mature enough to pay a true dividend, they usually have >learned the difference. > >I see nothing obvious in the earnings release to have caused the >selloff. Since it's already two weeks old, I doubt that is the >cause. Possibly some analyst downgraded it, or lowered earnings >estimates, or set a lowered price target. Or maybe there was bad >news for a competitor, or a company they do business with. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mike Lucero >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 3:39 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > >I bought PPDI last Wednesday after it broke out and placed my >sell stop at >51.75, so I'm still in. I would have sold at least half if it had >closed >below the pivot, instead of right on it. It sounds like a normal >stock >split, which doesn't increase anyone's value. I believe if you >sell now, >your stock dividend will go with the shares you sold. > >Mike >----- Original Message ----- >From: "esetser" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:33 PM >Subject: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > >> First, I have had a couple of people respond to my Clearstation >"sell" >> notifications here. For those who didn't know, my original >message wasn't >> posted here, and it basically said I was dumped out of several >stocks. >> >> Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... >> >> >> Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, 2 other >stocks, and >> added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. At that >point, 4 of 5 >> stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this rally >would be >> different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day later, and I've >been >> stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of my funds >(more or >less). >> I got burned 2-fold. >> >> I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly on Monday >and Tuesday. >> One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then plummeted. In the >end, I >took >> losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, I'm very >surprised to >> see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has 5-10 potential >CANSLIM >> breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this something >that >happens >> to the top group very often? Have others witnessed this kind >of meltdown >> very often? >> >> My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely late last >week, and >> then seemed to be resting a bit just above the pivot. It >looked ready to >> move higher, especially with its group moving up rapidly, so I >gave it a >> shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as soon as I saw >the drop >> (about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the stock had >moved up on >> the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a VERY >UNUSUAL dividend >> announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, everyone who >owned the >> stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share in a few >weeks. At >that >> point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their holdings at a >new high, >> and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. Given >this, there >> seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. I mean, >the value of >> last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect HUGE downward >pressure on >> the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an example. >This is >> clearly my fault for not reading the news before buying, but >has anyone >> seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely that the stock >price >would >> hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to me. >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] low vol handle Date: 02 May 2001 09:29:55 -0400 Assuming that the handle forms close to the left rim of the cup, and that the left rim was also the prior high, then I would expect volume as the handle begins to form. As it gets out into the second week of the handle, I look for the volume to decrease well below ADV, indicating that the wave of selling (from both sources you mention) is over. That's when the likelihood of a b/o begins to get serious. If the handle forms measurably below the prior high / left rim, then the volume may only come from those who bot the bottom or right side of the cup. This may warn you of further resistance as it moves up to the price of the left rim. That's why I only review (for my personal lists) stocks hitting new highs. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:14 AM OK, for my continuing education, why is a low vol handle superior/desirable? If the point of forming a handle is to let those who bot near the previous high get out, wouldn't we want to see a lot of selling by those folks. In addition, wouldn't the selling of those who bot the bottom, combined with the selling of those who bot the last high (and want to break even) make for good vol near the pivot (=handle area)? Norman Boyd theboyd@tisd.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] low vol handle Date: 02 May 2001 09:31:44 EDT Norman: Low volume indicates there are no longer weak hands (individual investors) looking to sell. The premise of the handle (low volume and a relatively tight range) is that only strong hands (institutions and some individuals) now control the stock, and they are not looking to sell. Strong hands don't sell unless there is a good analytical reason. That's why WON emphasizes CANSLIM fundamentals (eg: hi ratings in EPS, RS, A/D, Current and Yearly Earnings). Why doesn't HIGH VOLUME and a tight range (or slightly declining handle or wide range) demonstrate that there are no more weak hands? Because, the tamping of volume in a tight range CONFIRMS that there is likely to be no more selling. The handle signifies, not that you want to see a lot of selling, but rather that there is no (or precious little) selling left to be done. The CANSLIM rating then tell you that this is a good stock; and when the rises above pivot point on high volume (12.5 cents above the BreakOut), this confirms that the stock is being strongly bought. jans In a message dated 5/2/2001 9:17:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, theboyd@tisd.net writes: << OK, for my continuing education, why is a low vol handle superior/desirable? If the point of forming a handle is to let those who bot near the previous high get out, wouldn't we want to see a lot of selling by those folks. In addition, wouldn't the selling of those who bot the bottom, combined with the selling of those who bot the last high (and want to break even) make for good vol near the pivot (=handle area)? >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] low vol handle Date: 02 May 2001 08:49:16 -0500 Thanks Jans, Tom. That's the kind of discussion I was looking for. I mostly understood, from HTMMIS, the whys and wherefors but another viewpoint always seems to make things clearer. Now to find such a beast :-) Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:31 AM > Norman: > > Low volume indicates there are no longer weak hands (individual > investors) looking to sell. The premise of the handle (low volume and a > relatively tight range) is that only strong hands (institutions and some > individuals) now control the stock, and they are not looking to sell. Strong > hands don't sell unless there is a good analytical reason. That's why WON > emphasizes CANSLIM fundamentals (eg: hi ratings in EPS, RS, A/D, Current and > Yearly Earnings). > > Why doesn't HIGH VOLUME and a tight range (or slightly declining handle > or wide range) demonstrate that there are no more weak hands? Because, the > tamping of volume in a tight range CONFIRMS that there is likely to be no > more selling. The handle signifies, not that you want to see a lot of > selling, but rather that there is no (or precious little) selling left to be > done. The CANSLIM rating then tell you that this is a good stock; and when > the rises above pivot point on high volume (12.5 cents above the BreakOut), > this confirms that the stock is being strongly bought. > > jans > > > In a message dated 5/2/2001 9:17:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > theboyd@tisd.net writes: > > << OK, for my continuing education, why is a low vol handle > superior/desirable? > If the point of forming a handle is to let those who bot near the previous > high get out, wouldn't we want to see a lot of selling by those folks. In > addition, wouldn't the selling of those who bot the bottom, combined with > the selling of those who bot the last high (and want to break even) make for > good vol near the pivot (=handle area)? > >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] PHM Date: 02 May 2001 07:38:45 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D315.482299D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Jans. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:15 PM Nancy: There was news on PHM today which, I believe, impacted on the price of the stock. The news caused distribution bigtime (actually yesterdays decline would have caused me to sell-I believe-if I had owned it). The news which made the funds run for the hills, is: Pulte to Buy Del Webb for $1.7 Billion in Stock, Debt Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, May 1 (Bloomberg) -- Pulte Corp. agreed to buy Del Webb Corp., the largest developer of retirement communities, for $1.73 billion in stock and debt to create the largest U.S. homebuilder. Pulte will pay about $730 million in stock, or $39 a share, and assume $1 billion in debt for the Phoenix-based company, known for its Sun City developments. The price is a 15 percent premium to Del Webb's price yesterday. jans In a message dated 5/1/2001 9:42:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NDiFabio@irell.com writes: << Why did PHM come down so hard and fast today? >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. 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Thanks, Jans.


-----Original Message-----
From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:15 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PHM


Nancy:

     There was news on PHM today which, I believe, impacted on the price of
the stock.  The news caused distribution bigtime (actually yesterdays decline
would have caused me to sell-I believe-if I had owned it).  The news which
made the funds run for the hills, is:

Pulte to Buy Del Webb for $1.7 Billion in Stock, Debt

 
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, May 1 <A
HREF="aol://4344:30.bloombrg.389091.602536905">(Bloomberg)</A> -- Pulte Corp.
agreed to buy Del Webb Corp., the largest developer of retirement
communities, for $1.73 billion in stock and debt to create the largest U.S.
homebuilder.

Pulte will pay about $730 million in stock, or $39 a share, and assume $1
billion in debt for the Phoenix-based company, known for its Sun City
developments. The price is a 15 percent premium to Del Webb's price
yesterday.

jans



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<< Why did PHM come down so hard and fast today? >>

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Builders were weak? Bldg-Residential/Commercial ranks 2nd= = today in IBD.
Am I missing something?
Thanks.

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Two things happened this week

1 - PHM was specifically downgraded yesterday as a part o= =66= a generally
negative  statement on Builders.  Most of the = builders were weak, PHM was
worse.
2 - Today PHM announced they were buying WBB.  As i= s= usually the case, the
buyer plummets as the seller flies.  Wish I had = grabbed WBB instead!!!

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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = PHM

Builders were weak? Bldg-Residential/Commercial = ranks 2nd=20 today in IBD.
Am I missing something? =
Thanks.

Last Friday they were #1. A hint of things to = come?

Best wishes,

Walt

 

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At that point, 4 of 5 >stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this rally would be >different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day later, and I've been >stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of my funds (more or less). > I got burned 2-fold. > >I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly on Monday and Tuesday. >One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then plummeted. In the end, I took >losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, I'm very surprised to >see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has 5-10 potential CANSLIM >breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this something that happens >to the top group very often? Have others witnessed this kind of meltdown >very often? > >My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely late last week, and >then seemed to be resting a bit just above the pivot. It looked ready to >move higher, especially with its group moving up rapidly, so I gave it a >shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as soon as I saw the drop >(about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the stock had moved up on >the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a VERY UNUSUAL dividend >announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, everyone who owned the >stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share in a few weeks. At that >point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their holdings at a new high, >and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. Given this, there >seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. I mean, the value of >last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect HUGE downward pressure on >the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an example. This is >clearly my fault for not reading the news before buying, but has anyone >seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely that the stock price would >hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to me. > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] To Earl: severe weakness took me out too! Date: 02 May 2001 08:28:25 -0700 yes, still in the entry stop which was 10%... At 12:01 AM 5/2/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Tim, > >I can understand how SRCL stopped you out, but I don't understand >SGR. Were you using less than a 15% trailing stop / still in an >entry point stop of 8%? > >I don't think CANSLIM is so much out of favor as we are seeing an >inflow of big money chasing the big names that appear cheap. VIX >is down, which may be eventually helping refocus on earnings >growth rates. > >Fundies win out eventually, even in the midst of euphoria. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tim Fisher >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:49 AM >Subject: [CANSLIM] To Earl: severe weakness took me out too! > > >Out of SGR and SRCL, that is. Anyway, looks like CANSLIM is out >of favor in >an otherwise relatively strong rally, my accounts actually lost >money >yesterday and are in the hole so far today. I tightened my stops >on my >winners to a trailing 10% after getting stopped out of those two. > > > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 02 May 2001 09:20:30 -0700 Discl: I am IN! The one bright spot in my portfolio besides the video gamers is USPH, broke out yesterday and today from a saucer & short handle, made it almost to $25 today before falling back a bit. Supposedly opened at $29, talk about screwing the market orders placed last night! Extended a bit right now, pivot was 22.875, but just thought I'd lighten the mood a bit! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 02 May 2001 12:01:45 -0600 I bought into USPH late last week at 18.35. It's not the prettiest c&h, if that is a handle. If it is I guess it could be called a mid-level handle. On monday I started worrying that I got in too early to yet another stock. Looks like the handle wedgeing up. So I sold half tues morning before I had seen any indication of a runup. If I had known it had popped up to 29 this morning and could have gotten the rest out I would of. Considering getting out with the rest at anything better than 22bucks which would give me a 20% or better return in one week. Not sure I trust this market. Been burned too many times with breakouts like these this past year. On the other hand...yesterday was impressive 10x vol. Today is already 5x. Maybe I will hang on. Earnings announcement was very good. .18 eps vs. .10 (125%) and rev up 28%. At 09:20 AM 5/2/01 -0700, you wrote: >Discl: I am IN! The one bright spot in my portfolio besides the video >gamers is USPH, broke out yesterday and today from a saucer & short >handle, made it almost to $25 today before falling back a bit. Supposedly >opened at $29, talk about screwing the market orders placed last night! >Extended a bit right now, pivot was 22.875, but just thought I'd lighten >the mood a bit! > > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 03 May 2001 14:07:13 -0400 Tim, did you pick it up yesterday (before the announcement) or today? Anna "Tim Fisher" @lists.xmission.com on 05/02/2001 12:20:30 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Discl: I am IN! The one bright spot in my portfolio besides the video gamers is USPH, broke out yesterday and today from a saucer & short handle, made it almost to $25 today before falling back a bit. Supposedly opened at $29, talk about screwing the market orders placed last night! Extended a bit right now, pivot was 22.875, but just thought I'd lighten the mood a bit! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 02 May 2001 13:43:37 -0700 I picked it up last Dec at 12...got stopped out of 1/2 at +25%, then took Tom's advice and let the other half ride on such a thinly traded small cap. Paid off but it's such a small position that I only have about $1k profit in it now. Needless to say I have a stop on it now! At 02:07 PM 5/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Tim, > >did you pick it up yesterday (before the announcement) or today? > > >Anna > > >"Tim Fisher" @lists.xmission.com on 05/02/2001 12:20:30 >PM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@mail.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > > >Discl: I am IN! The one bright spot in my portfolio besides the video >gamers is USPH, broke out yesterday and today from a saucer & short handle, > >made it almost to $25 today before falling back a bit. Supposedly opened at > >$29, talk about screwing the market orders placed last night! Extended a >bit right now, pivot was 22.875, but just thought I'd lighten the mood a >bit! > > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] low vol handle Date: 02 May 2001 15:34:51 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D357.CB58F396 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In calculating the pivot point, do you draw your attention to the highest point in the handle or is your focal point the 52 week hi? WON suggests that we concentrate on the highs in the handle. If a stock reaches its 52 week high, the 52 week hi being higher than the highest part of the handle, do I forget about the stock because the price is over the pivot point (in the handle) or is the 52 week price high my basis for deciding if the stock price is overextended? Does anyone understand my question? Can someone give me a simple formula? -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:30 AM Assuming that the handle forms close to the left rim of the cup, and that the left rim was also the prior high, then I would expect volume as the handle begins to form. As it gets out into the second week of the handle, I look for the volume to decrease well below ADV, indicating that the wave of selling (from both sources you mention) is over. That's when the likelihood of a b/o begins to get serious. If the handle forms measurably below the prior high / left rim, then the volume may only come from those who bot the bottom or right side of the cup. This may warn you of further resistance as it moves up to the price of the left rim. That's why I only review (for my personal lists) stocks hitting new highs. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:14 AM OK, for my continuing education, why is a low vol handle superior/desirable? If the point of forming a handle is to let those who bot near the previous high get out, wouldn't we want to see a lot of selling by those folks. In addition, wouldn't the selling of those who bot the bottom, combined with the selling of those who bot the last high (and want to break even) make for good vol near the pivot (=handle area)? Norman Boyd theboyd@tisd.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/02/01 15:33:05 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D357.CB58F396 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] low vol handle

In calculating the pivot point, do you draw your attentio= n= to the highest point in the handle or is your focal point the 52 week = hi?

WON suggests that we concentrate on the highs in the = handle.
If a stock reaches its 52 week high, the 52 week hi bein= g= higher than the highest part of the handle, do I forget about the stock = because the price is over the pivot point (in the handle) or is the 52 week= = price high my basis for deciding if the stock price is overextended? =

Does anyone understand my question?

Can someone give me a simple formula?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:30 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] low vol handle


Assuming that the handle forms close to the left rim of = the cup,
and that the left rim was also the prior high, then I = would
expect volume as the handle begins to form. As it gets = out into
the second week of the handle, I look for the volume to = decrease
well below ADV, indicating that the wave of selling (fro= m= both
sources you mention) is over. That's when the likelihood= = of a b/o
begins to get serious.

If the handle forms measurably below the prior high / lef= t= rim,
then the volume may only come from those who bot the = bottom or
right side of the cup. This may warn you of further = resistance as
it moves up to the price of the left rim. That's why I = only
review (for my personal lists) stocks hitting new = highs.

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net


----- Original Message -----
From: Norman <theboyd@tisd.net>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:14 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] low vol handle


OK, for my continuing education, why is a low vol = handle
superior/desirable?
If the point of forming a handle is to let those who bot= = near the
previous
high get out, wouldn't we want to see a lot of selling b= y= those
folks.  In
addition, wouldn't the selling of those who bot the = bottom,
combined with
the selling of those who bot the last high (and want to = break
even) make for
good vol near the pivot (=3Dhandle area)?

Norman Boyd
theboyd@tisd.net



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D357.CB58F396-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] PHM Date: 02 May 2001 17:35:27 -0600 This was a personal observation based on the stocks I owned and several others I was watching. For the day, IBD shows that the group was off 2% and was one of the 10 weakest groups in the entire market for the day (underlined). The #2 rank is based on 6 months of action, so it won't generally react a significant amount to one or two days of weakness or strength. At 07:42 AM 5/2/01 -0700, you wrote: > Builders were weak? Bldg-Residential/Commercial ranks 2nd today in IBD. >Am I missing something? >Thanks. -----Original Message----- >From: esetser [mailto:esetser@covad.net] >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:23 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PHM > Two things happened this week 1 - PHM was specifically downgraded >yesterday as a part of a generally > Most of the builders were weak, PHM was >worse. > As is usually the case, the > Wish I had grabbed WBB instead!!! At 06:38 PM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: >> <>" made the following >> annotations on 05/01/01 18:36:39 >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >> This message, including any attachments, may include >> Any distribution or >>use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is >> If you are not the intended >>recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then >>delete it from your system. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] low vol handle Date: 02 May 2001 19:36:23 -0400 This is a matter of personal preference and also a matter of where support/resistance is. I prefer to use high of the handle because in that case support (the handle itself) is not far away (usually, but not always). However, say the top of the handle is at 100 and 52weeks high is 102. Also, say you notice that in the past the stock has tried to penetrate 102 level at least twice and was not able to do so. In this case I would make pivot = 52 weeks high. I know that many here use 52 weeks high as pivot, so again, this is a matter or personal preference. "DiFabio, Nancy" @lists.xmission.com on 05/02/2001 06:34:51 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: In calculating the pivot point, do you draw your attention to the highest point in the handle or is your focal point the 52 week hi? WON suggests that we concentrate on the highs in the handle. If a stock reaches its 52 week high, the 52 week hi being higher than the highest part of the handle, do I forget about the stock because the price is over the pivot point (in the handle) or is the 52 week price high my basis for deciding if the stock price is overextended? Does anyone understand my question? Can someone give me a simple formula? -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:30 AM Assuming that the handle forms close to the left rim of the cup, and that the left rim was also the prior high, then I would expect volume as the handle begins to form. As it gets out into the second week of the handle, I look for the volume to decrease well below ADV, indicating that the wave of selling (from both sources you mention) is over. That's when the likelihood of a b/o begins to get serious. If the handle forms measurably below the prior high / left rim, then the volume may only come from those who bot the bottom or right side of the cup. This may warn you of further resistance as it moves up to the price of the left rim. That's why I only review (for my personal lists) stocks hitting new highs. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:14 AM OK, for my continuing education, why is a low vol handle superior/desirable? If the point of forming a handle is to let those who bot near the previous high get out, wouldn't we want to see a lot of selling by those folks. In addition, wouldn't the selling of those who bot the bottom, combined with the selling of those who bot the last high (and want to break even) make for good vol near the pivot (=handle area)? Norman Boyd theboyd@tisd.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/02/01 15:33:05 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================== - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] low vol handle Date: 02 May 2001 17:51:15 -0600 My opinion is: 1) For a cup with handle, generally you want the high of the handle to form below the 52 week high, and above the 50% point of the cup, preferably above the 75% point of the cup. 2) For a cup with handle, the pivot point is 0.13 above the highest point of the handle. 3) Sometimes stocks form a cup or saucer and go to new highs without forming a handle. In these cases, you can set a pivot point at 0.13 above the 52 week high. However, be careful, because WON says these patterns are more failure prone than cup with handles. 4) For flat bases, stocks where the correction is something like 5-15% or so, it is normal for the pivot to be set at 0.13 above the 52 week high. For all of these cases, a stock would be considered extended at anything over the pivot + 5%. However, I have seen stocks that formed multiple handles, so there CAN be other buying opps. I also have made purchases where I missed a handle, and then bot the 52 week high pivot. I'm not sure if this is consistent with WONs teachings or not. At 03:34 PM 5/2/01 -0700, you wrote: > In calculating the pivot point, do you draw your attention to the >highest point in the handle or is your focal point the 52 week hi? WON >suggests that we concentrate on the highs in the handle. >If a stock reaches its 52 week high, the 52 week hi being higher than the >highest part of the handle, do I forget about the stock because the price >is over the pivot point (in the handle) or is the 52 week price high my >basis for deciding if the stock price is overextended? Does anyone >understand my question? Can someone give me a simple formula? >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:30 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] low vol handle > Assuming that the handle forms close to the left rim of the cup, >and that the left rim was also the prior high, then I would >expect volume as the handle begins to form. As it gets out into >the second week of the handle, I look for the volume to decrease >well below ADV, indicating that the wave of selling (from both >sources you mention) is over. That's when the likelihood of a b/o >begins to get serious. If the handle forms measurably below the prior >high / left rim, >then the volume may only come from those who bot the bottom or >right side of the cup. This may warn you of further resistance as >it moves up to the price of the left rim. That's why I only >review (for my personal lists) stocks hitting new highs. Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > ----- Original Message ----- ><> ><> >Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:14 AM >Subject: [CANSLIM] low vol handle > OK, for my continuing education, why is a low vol handle >superior/desirable? >If the point of forming a handle is to let those who bot near the >previous >high get out, wouldn't we want to see a lot of selling by those > In >addition, wouldn't the selling of those who bot the bottom, >combined with >the selling of those who bot the last high (and want to break >even) make for >good vol near the pivot (=handle area)? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] low vol handle Date: 02 May 2001 20:00:51 EDT Nancy: Nancy, I believe I understand your question. WON says that the pivot point is when the stock rises 13 cents above the handle on at least 1.5 average daily volume. The 52 week high should be looked at as a possible resistance point; however, as I understand WON, the "13 cents above the handle" should be the focal point. Also, I believe I read in one of WON answers (on the IBD site) that he usually disregards highs which are more than 1 year away-because by then weak hands have usually sold so the resistance point is less resistant to upswings in the stock. Many subscribe to the belief that another possible resistance point (and possible retracement area in an LLUR) occurs when the stock is 2x the 200 DMA or 1.5x the 50 DMA. WON says that the pivot point (13 cents above the handle top) needn't be on a closing basis-but I wait for the closing. I also take into consideration the 52 week hi and the DMA's (2x the 200 and 1.5x the 50). Also (your question provoked this theoretical observation), I would think that if the 52 week hi is above and close to the pivot point, then the stock, after rising on high volume past the pivot point, will consolidate or base at the 52 week hi. Thus, assuming there is a tight range, volume is low, and the stock doesn't go below the pivot point, I would think that that price would be an excellent point to buy new shares. jans In a message dated 5/2/2001 6:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NDiFabio@irell.com writes: << In calculating the pivot point, do you draw your attention to the highest point in the handle or is your focal point the 52 week hi? WON suggests that we concentrate on the highs in the handle. If a stock reaches its 52 week high, the 52 week hi being higher than the highest part of the handle, do I forget about the stock because the price is over the pivot point (in the handle) or is the 52 week price high my basis for deciding if the stock price is overextended? >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kraus0R@cs.com Subject: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 02 May 2001 20:03:37 EDT I'm interested in some group feedback on SERO. My take is that we're in the handle of a C&H. IBD numbers look good, even garnering an A+ from the stock check-up. Earnings announced after market close were 100% greater than the same qtr a year ago. One knock so far is that it's not within the top few in their group. Any other thoughts ? Thanks, Roger - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 02 May 2001 17:19:02 -0700 (PDT) I got in at 18.98 on Friday and my hard stop activated at 17.50 Tuesday morning. As soon as the market learned that I had bailed, it went up 40% from there in 2 days. Oh well, at least I have hope something else will come along. Wrong way Kent Norman --- DougC wrote: > I bought into USPH late last week at 18.35. It's not > the prettiest c&h, if > that is a handle. If it is I guess it could be > called a mid-level handle. > On monday I started worrying that I got in too early > to yet another stock. > Looks like the handle wedgeing up. So I sold half > tues morning before I had > seen any indication of a runup. If I had known it > had popped up to 29 this > morning and could have gotten the rest out I would > of. Considering getting > out with the rest at anything better than 22bucks > which would give me a 20% > or better return in one week. Not sure I trust this > market. Been burned too > many times with breakouts like these this past year. > On the other > hand...yesterday was impressive 10x vol. Today is > already 5x. Maybe I will > hang on. Earnings announcement was very good. .18 > eps vs. .10 (125%) and > rev up 28%. > > At 09:20 AM 5/2/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Discl: I am IN! The one bright spot in my portfolio > besides the video > >gamers is USPH, broke out yesterday and today from > a saucer & short > >handle, made it almost to $25 today before falling > back a bit. Supposedly > >opened at $29, talk about screwing the market > orders placed last night! > >Extended a bit right now, pivot was 22.875, but > just thought I'd lighten > >the mood a bit! > > > > > >Tim Fisher > >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Pullback Date: 02 May 2001 17:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Thanks Tom When you say "resume a fresh b/o; base" does the 7 week count down start over or continue? (not that it actually had a handle any how, just talking theory) Thanks Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Dave and Kent, > > I definitely would consider it as a failed breakout, > as both the > volume and price action previously should meet > anyone's criteria > as a "breakout". What to do now, and why did it > fail? > > Today's volume at over 3X ADV, and assuming there > was no news on > the company or sector/group, is still serious. Maybe > it just got > infested recently with a lot of day traders. Or > maybe the bottom > fishers who bot in the bottom of the cup, or up > along the right > side of the cup, got tired of waiting. In any event, > it now has > several possibilities: resume a fresh b/o; base, > fall further. > Until the stock makes up its mind, it's not a buying > opportunity. > > It does have excellent CS qualities, as well as > excellent > sequential and year to year comparisons. So I doubt > it's done, > but should be on your watch list rather than a "hot > buy" list. > Let it base, if it's going to do that, or let it b/o > again on > confirmatory volume. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Pullback > > > WONDERFUL QUESTION Dave > I have wondered that many times! > I have read about a price falling back to the base > and > giving another chance to buy in. Perhaps it has > something to do with how far it falls? If it goes > below the former bottom channel perhaps? > > Just my guess > Kent Norman > > --- Dave Rubin wrote: > > DFXI is back to within 5% of its pivot on lower > > volume. Is this a failed BO > > in the making or an opportunity to get in? > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 02 May 2001 17:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Earl Looking back, we can see that home builders had been leading for quite a while. It was only a matter of time till they ran out of steam. Perhaps we should start looking for an age limit? Does anyone have information on how long typical (if there is such a thing) leaders keep the lead? I hope this is an early signal that the new leaders are moving into position... Now If we can just figure out who they are... Any nominations from the group??? Regards Kent Norman --- esetser wrote: > First, I have had a couple of people respond to my > Clearstation "sell" > notifications here. For those who didn't know, my > original message wasn't > posted here, and it basically said I was dumped out > of several stocks. > > Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... > > > Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, 2 > other stocks, and > added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. > At that point, 4 of 5 > stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this > rally would be > different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day > later, and I've been > stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of > my funds (more or less). > I got burned 2-fold. > > I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly > on Monday and Tuesday. > One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then > plummeted. In the end, I took > losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, > I'm very surprised to > see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has > 5-10 potential CANSLIM > breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this > something that happens > to the top group very often? Have others witnessed > this kind of meltdown > very often? > > My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely > late last week, and > then seemed to be resting a bit just above the > pivot. It looked ready to > move higher, especially with its group moving up > rapidly, so I gave it a > shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as > soon as I saw the drop > (about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the > stock had moved up on > the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a > VERY UNUSUAL dividend > announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, > everyone who owned the > stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share > in a few weeks. At that > point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their > holdings at a new high, > and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. > Given this, there > seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. > I mean, the value of > last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect > HUGE downward pressure on > the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an > example. This is > clearly my fault for not reading the news before > buying, but has anyone > seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely > that the stock price would > hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to > me. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 02 May 2001 17:47:06 -0700 Maybe the techs? I see that networking is making a comeback... -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:28 PM > Earl > > Looking back, we can see that home builders had been > leading for quite a while. It was only a matter of > time till they ran out of steam. Perhaps we should > start looking for an age limit? > > Does anyone have information on how long typical (if > there is such a thing) leaders keep the lead? > > I hope this is an early signal that the new leaders > are moving into position... Now If we can just figure > out who they are... > > Any nominations from the group??? > > Regards > Kent Norman > --- esetser wrote: > > First, I have had a couple of people respond to my > > Clearstation "sell" > > notifications here. For those who didn't know, my > > original message wasn't > > posted here, and it basically said I was dumped out > > of several stocks. > > > > Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... > > > > > > Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, 2 > > other stocks, and > > added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. > > At that point, 4 of 5 > > stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this > > rally would be > > different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day > > later, and I've been > > stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of > > my funds (more or less). > > I got burned 2-fold. > > > > I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly > > on Monday and Tuesday. > > One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then > > plummeted. In the end, I took > > losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, > > I'm very surprised to > > see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has > > 5-10 potential CANSLIM > > breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this > > something that happens > > to the top group very often? Have others witnessed > > this kind of meltdown > > very often? > > > > My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely > > late last week, and > > then seemed to be resting a bit just above the > > pivot. It looked ready to > > move higher, especially with its group moving up > > rapidly, so I gave it a > > shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as > > soon as I saw the drop > > (about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the > > stock had moved up on > > the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a > > VERY UNUSUAL dividend > > announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, > > everyone who owned the > > stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share > > in a few weeks. At that > > point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their > > holdings at a new high, > > and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. > > Given this, there > > seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. > > I mean, the value of > > last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect > > HUGE downward pressure on > > the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an > > example. This is > > clearly my fault for not reading the news before > > buying, but has anyone > > seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely > > that the stock price would > > hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to > > me. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: [CANSLIM] CPRT gap up 4 days in a row Date: 02 May 2001 17:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Any comments on CPRT gap up in the morning for 4 days in a row? Thanks Kent Norman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 02 May 2001 17:53:02 -0700 (PDT) I hope, I hope, I hope, Any specific names? Kent --- Bill Triffet wrote: > Maybe the techs? I see that networking is making a > comeback... > > -Bill Triffet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Norman" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > > > Earl > > > > Looking back, we can see that home builders had > been > > leading for quite a while. It was only a matter of > > time till they ran out of steam. Perhaps we should > > start looking for an age limit? > > > > Does anyone have information on how long typical > (if > > there is such a thing) leaders keep the lead? > > > > I hope this is an early signal that the new > leaders > > are moving into position... Now If we can just > figure > > out who they are... > > > > Any nominations from the group??? > > > > Regards > > Kent Norman > > --- esetser wrote: > > > First, I have had a couple of people respond to > my > > > Clearstation "sell" > > > notifications here. For those who didn't know, > my > > > original message wasn't > > > posted here, and it basically said I was dumped > out > > > of several stocks. > > > > > > Now, back to our regularly scheduled > program..... > > > > > > > > > Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home > Builders, 2 > > > other stocks, and > > > added my last position in PPDI yesterday > morning. > > > At that point, 4 of 5 > > > stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe > this > > > rally would be > > > different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day > > > later, and I've been > > > stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% > of > > > my funds (more or less). > > > I got burned 2-fold. > > > > > > I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down > strongly > > > on Monday and Tuesday. > > > One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then > > > plummeted. In the end, I took > > > losses on all three as they hit my stops. > Overall, > > > I'm very surprised to > > > see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has > > > 5-10 potential CANSLIM > > > breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is > this > > > something that happens > > > to the top group very often? Have others > witnessed > > > this kind of meltdown > > > very often? > > > > > > My other position was PPDI. It had moved up > nicely > > > late last week, and > > > then seemed to be resting a bit just above the > > > pivot. It looked ready to > > > move higher, especially with its group moving up > > > rapidly, so I gave it a > > > shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out > as > > > soon as I saw the drop > > > (about 10%). After looking closer, I found that > the > > > stock had moved up on > > > the earnings annoucement last week, but there > was a > > > VERY UNUSUAL dividend > > > announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, > > > everyone who owned the > > > stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra > share > > > in a few weeks. At that > > > point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their > > > holdings at a new high, > > > and still have the same amount of stock in 3 > weeks. > > > Given this, there > > > seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the > stock. > > > I mean, the value of > > > last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect > > > HUGE downward pressure on > > > the stock over the next few weeks, and today was > an > > > example. This is > > > clearly my fault for not reading the news before > > > buying, but has anyone > > > seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely > > > that the stock price would > > > hold up to a "double"? This seems really > unusual to > > > me. > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tracie Oken" Subject: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back Date: 02 May 2001 17:58:35 -0700 We are a husband and wife who both follow CANSLIM. We have been reading IBD for 5 years and have used most of the CANSLIM criteria to pick stocks but only recently have spent the time to try to understand the various bases and breakout strategies. We each buy different stocks but have had little success the past two weeks as almost all our breakouts have failed. In the past (pre-2000), before we were focusing on breakouts, we were more successful with CANSLIM. Even more frustrating is that while the market is advancing our stocks are losing ground. WON says to ignore the prior market leaders which are beaten up but they are the ones going up 5-10% per day. Can anyone offer any consolation (and/or advice)? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back Date: 02 May 2001 18:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Hello Tracie & Hubby I know how you feel. If you look back through the past few weeks of posts to the group, you will notice the same theme. My best guess is we are just a little bit early yet. The old leaders have not quite given up the ghost, and the new leaders have yet to emerge. There is no law that says the new leaders will emerge the same day as the old ones die. We are in the right season even if the particular day is off. One thing is for sure, the market mood is much better now than a few weeks ago. I suspect that if you tape your message to the fridge, It will look totally different in a year or two. The bull should run for several years, so these few days may seem long now, but in a year, I think they will look like the brief moment they really are. Wanting to be patient too. (but not doing very well) Kent Norman --- Tracie Oken wrote: > We are a husband and wife who both follow CANSLIM. > We have been reading IBD > for 5 years and have used most of the CANSLIM > criteria to pick stocks but > only recently have spent the time to try to > understand the various bases and > breakout strategies. We each buy different stocks > but have had little > success the past two weeks as almost all our > breakouts have failed. In the > past (pre-2000), before we were focusing on > breakouts, we were more > successful with CANSLIM. Even more frustrating is > that while the market is > advancing our stocks are losing ground. WON says to > ignore the prior market > leaders which are beaten up but they are the ones > going up 5-10% per day. > Can anyone offer any consolation (and/or advice)? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Pullback Date: 02 May 2001 22:30:39 -0400 Hi Kent, I always try to look at the overall chart picture. I have had charts where the initial b/o was sharp and quick, and immediately returned to the base. Where the base was well defined and established, I considered that as a continuation of the base (not unusual for a stock to take several attempts to b/o before succeeding). Where the base was either not yet established, or was already pretty sloppy, then I had to wait and see what it would do from there. Sometimes the failed b/o stabilized its trading range, and it would form a much better base (handle) after the failed b/o. In that case, I considered it something of a character shift, and starting counting the base from the failed b/o. If the failed b/o, however, carries the stock measurably below a well established and defined prior base, then I start the count all over again, and treat that as both a failed b/o and a failed base. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:22 PM Thanks Tom When you say "resume a fresh b/o; base" does the 7 week count down start over or continue? (not that it actually had a handle any how, just talking theory) Thanks Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Dave and Kent, > > I definitely would consider it as a failed breakout, > as both the > volume and price action previously should meet > anyone's criteria > as a "breakout". What to do now, and why did it > fail? > > Today's volume at over 3X ADV, and assuming there > was no news on > the company or sector/group, is still serious. Maybe > it just got > infested recently with a lot of day traders. Or > maybe the bottom > fishers who bot in the bottom of the cup, or up > along the right > side of the cup, got tired of waiting. In any event, > it now has > several possibilities: resume a fresh b/o; base, > fall further. > Until the stock makes up its mind, it's not a buying > opportunity. > > It does have excellent CS qualities, as well as > excellent > sequential and year to year comparisons. So I doubt > it's done, > but should be on your watch list rather than a "hot > buy" list. > Let it base, if it's going to do that, or let it b/o > again on > confirmatory volume. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Pullback > > > WONDERFUL QUESTION Dave > I have wondered that many times! > I have read about a price falling back to the base > and > giving another chance to buy in. Perhaps it has > something to do with how far it falls? If it goes > below the former bottom channel perhaps? > > Just my guess > Kent Norman > > --- Dave Rubin wrote: > > DFXI is back to within 5% of its pivot on lower > > volume. Is this a failed BO > > in the making or an opportunity to get in? > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: [CANSLIM] Thoughts on RLRN? Date: 02 May 2001 21:36:55 CDT Any thoughts on RLRN? It formed a new high today on pretty high volume. = I jumped the gun a little and got in on Monday. The chart is probably no= t an ideal CANSLIM base chart, but my reasons for getting in was: 1. Good CANSLIM and IBD numbers IMHO. 2. After last week high volume and jump in price, it didn't come crashin= g down right away and seemed to start forming a flag. 3. OBV was touching new high territory and Up/Down volume according to I= BD was possitive. 4. And then I pretty much have only access and time on weekends when I a= m home to run and researh my screens, and have to make compromises and acce= pt a little more risk with my entry points. - Fanus ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back Date: 02 May 2001 22:48:22 -0400 Welcome to the group, Tracie, and a Hi to your husband as well, I have been using CANSLIM for well over a decade now, and cannot recall seeing such carnage in the markets, esp. NASDAQ, as in recent months. There are a lot of people who still lack confidence that the worst is over, we have bottomed out, a new bull is starting, etc. You have a lot of company. Even tho I am now up nearly 40% for this year, and even up over the start of 2000, I still have not found the motivation to put my remaining cash back into the market. This is the longest in at least 6-7 years that I have sat on any appreciable cash. And I remained fully invested throughout 2000, so that should tell you something. Right now, the market trend has reversed as a result of a psychological change from the investment community being excessively fearful to being overly optimistic. Companies cut earnings forecasts so sharply that it has been easy for them to meet or beat the expectations. Economic reports are starting to show meaningful results, tho, that the worst of the economic slowdown is over, and this should support further strength in the markets short term. Since both you and your husband are trying to use CANSLIM, I would suggest to you what my wife and I did. Swap ideas, play devil's advocate for each other. See if you can find flaws or logic faults in each other's picks. And do the same thing with this group. Maybe some of your choices were not good CANSLIM, esp if you were not looking for the breakout patterns. This group will give you good opinions and advice, use it (and if we like your picks we'll use them!!). The last advice I give you, and all other members not sure yet about this recovery, is to take your time. You don't have to jump in with all your cash, or buy a full position. Play a few you are not certain about just on paper, and learn from it. Also, go back and study the ones you mention failed on you. Try to understand, based on what you could know at the time of the buy, if you considered (and gave adequate weight) to the right factors. And see how they have done since. Just because you did well prior to 2000 does not mean you completely understand, or are correctly applying, CANSLIM. That was a favorable market where most anything could conceivably go up. Good luck, and keep talking to us, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:58 PM We are a husband and wife who both follow CANSLIM. We have been reading IBD for 5 years and have used most of the CANSLIM criteria to pick stocks but only recently have spent the time to try to understand the various bases and breakout strategies. We each buy different stocks but have had little success the past two weeks as almost all our breakouts have failed. In the past (pre-2000), before we were focusing on breakouts, we were more successful with CANSLIM. Even more frustrating is that while the market is advancing our stocks are losing ground. WON says to ignore the prior market leaders which are beaten up but they are the ones going up 5-10% per day. Can anyone offer any consolation (and/or advice)? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 02 May 2001 21:02:05 -0600 Yes, I knew that was possible, but I'm still surprised we would base, breakout and then fail on so many stocks. I do remember watching Semiconductors lead, fade a little, lead, fade a little, lead, etc for a LONG time during the last bull market. I remember being hesitant to buy the "old news and old leadership" when they led for another 6 or 9 months after that! At 05:28 PM 5/2/01 -0700, you wrote: >Earl > >Looking back, we can see that home builders had been >leading for quite a while. It was only a matter of >time till they ran out of steam. Perhaps we should >start looking for an age limit? > >Does anyone have information on how long typical (if >there is such a thing) leaders keep the lead? > >I hope this is an early signal that the new leaders >are moving into position... Now If we can just figure >out who they are... > >Any nominations from the group??? > >Regards >Kent Norman >--- esetser wrote: >> First, I have had a couple of people respond to my >> Clearstation "sell" >> notifications here. For those who didn't know, my >> original message wasn't >> posted here, and it basically said I was dumped out >> of several stocks. >> >> Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... >> >> >> Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, 2 >> other stocks, and >> added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. >> At that point, 4 of 5 >> stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this >> rally would be >> different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day >> later, and I've been >> stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of >> my funds (more or less). >> I got burned 2-fold. >> >> I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly >> on Monday and Tuesday. >> One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then >> plummeted. In the end, I took >> losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, >> I'm very surprised to >> see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has >> 5-10 potential CANSLIM >> breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this >> something that happens >> to the top group very often? Have others witnessed >> this kind of meltdown >> very often? >> >> My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely >> late last week, and >> then seemed to be resting a bit just above the >> pivot. It looked ready to >> move higher, especially with its group moving up >> rapidly, so I gave it a >> shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as >> soon as I saw the drop >> (about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the >> stock had moved up on >> the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a >> VERY UNUSUAL dividend >> announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, >> everyone who owned the >> stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share >> in a few weeks. At that >> point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their >> holdings at a new high, >> and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. >> Given this, there >> seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. >> I mean, the value of >> last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect >> HUGE downward pressure on >> the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an >> example. This is >> clearly my fault for not reading the news before >> buying, but has anyone >> seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely >> that the stock price would >> hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to >> me. >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >email. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT gap up 4 days in a row Date: 02 May 2001 21:03:08 -0600 That would be the "Earl sold" effect. I think it's similar but possibly stronger overall than the "Kent sold" effect you discussed earlier. :) At 05:52 PM 5/2/01 -0700, you wrote: >Any comments on CPRT gap up in the morning for 4 days >in a row? > >Thanks >Kent Norman > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 02 May 2001 22:59:45 -0400 Roger, it would appear you are not using DGO data, so I have to disagree with several things. First, DGO ranks it # 2 in the group with an RS 99 and EPS of 87 (ADVP is ranked 3rd with an 99/84 and SP is first with a 99/95). Second, latest earnings of 18 cents is up 80% from 10 cents a year ago (remember, WON doesn't include non-recurring gains and losses, so these nrs often differ from other sites). I would agree that it is in the 2nd week of building a handle. But I also see other flaws, like the ROE of only 7%. Also, cash flow is slightly lower than last year's earnings. Most significant to me, however, is two quarters in a row where sales dropped over 20% y2y. Earnings did increase, so maybe they shifted focus to higher margin products and services, but maybe they are boosting earnings per share by cost cutting (e.g. ramping down R&D, for example), or have been buying back their shares. I would want to investigate this aspect and have solid answers before proceeding. Also note that the forecast for earnings growth this year is only 16%, lower than generally desired. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:03 PM I'm interested in some group feedback on SERO. My take is that we're in the handle of a C&H. IBD numbers look good, even garnering an A+ from the stock check-up. Earnings announced after market close were 100% greater than the same qtr a year ago. One knock so far is that it's not within the top few in their group. Any other thoughts ? Thanks, Roger - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back Date: 02 May 2001 21:08:50 -0600 Well, during the previous years, you probably had some great successes, but then I think everyone did great in the late 90s. We will all be talking about how easy it was to our grandkids I bet! Since then, it has been very difficult for all of us, I believe. From a CANSLIM perspective, there have been some follow-through day with some nice breakouts afterwards, but mostly the stocks have failed with "M" failures a few days or weeks later. I certainly have struggled for the last year, especially since last fall. I think you are probably doing the right things, but it may be that you (and I) are doing them at the wrong time. As I posted yesterday, I got chased out of 4 of my 6 holdings yesterday for some ugly losses. I am hopeful the rally can hold and my 2 remaining holdings can make further progress, but only time will tell. I can tell you that my overall success with CANSLIM has more to do with the gains of a few of my best picks rather than my batting average (so-to-speak). Hang in there, and good luck. At 05:58 PM 5/2/01 -0700, you wrote: >We are a husband and wife who both follow CANSLIM. We have been reading IBD >for 5 years and have used most of the CANSLIM criteria to pick stocks but >only recently have spent the time to try to understand the various bases and >breakout strategies. We each buy different stocks but have had little >success the past two weeks as almost all our breakouts have failed. In the >past (pre-2000), before we were focusing on breakouts, we were more >successful with CANSLIM. Even more frustrating is that while the market is >advancing our stocks are losing ground. WON says to ignore the prior market >leaders which are beaten up but they are the ones going up 5-10% per day. >Can anyone offer any consolation (and/or advice)? > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT gap up 4 days in a row Date: 02 May 2001 23:04:51 -0400 DGO doesn't show the gaps, guess they are too small to appear. I note 4/30 it closed down slightly (10 cents), which would more than offset a gap up. I generally dislike a morning gap up that is filled by the close. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:52 PM Any comments on CPRT gap up in the morning for 4 days in a row? Thanks Kent Norman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 02 May 2001 20:17:18 -0700 Nothing canslim yet, but I do see names like JNPR,CSCO, SUNW have leveled since March. Even MSFT has shot up for the last month. I recall someone recently posted a thread from some WON material about looking at bases of stocks that were way down due to the market. I'm looking in my HTMMIS book and can't find the section regarding this. Could someone repost this? It was not to be confused with value investing. Perhaps we will be looking at stocks that are not at new 52 week highs but rather forming a base (or some shape thereof) from their current beaten down levels. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:53 PM > I hope, I hope, I hope, > > Any specific names? > > Kent > --- Bill Triffet wrote: > > Maybe the techs? I see that networking is making a > > comeback... > > > > -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Thoughts on RLRN? Date: 02 May 2001 23:11:53 -0400 Personally, I think today was a short squeeze. With a short position of over 1 million shares, and a float of 9.9 million shares, that would explain today's 6+X ADV and price spike. Stock has been up now 7 straight days, so be prepared to give a little back, but hopefully not below the 36.5 to 37 level. I can't disagree with getting in a little early. The base that was forming was tight. I have the same problem of waiting for the b/o to buy, due time limitations at work. But the CS elements look good, except for the cash flow. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:36 PM Any thoughts on RLRN? It formed a new high today on pretty high volume. I jumped the gun a little and got in on Monday. The chart is probably not an ideal CANSLIM base chart, but my reasons for getting in was: 1. Good CANSLIM and IBD numbers IMHO. 2. After last week high volume and jump in price, it didn't come crashing down right away and seemed to start forming a flag. 3. OBV was touching new high territory and Up/Down volume according to IBD was possitive. 4. And then I pretty much have only access and time on weekends when I am home to run and researh my screens, and have to make compromises and accept a little more risk with my entry points. - Fanus _________________________________________________________________ ___ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 02 May 2001 21:19:49 -0600 On 2 May 01, at 17:28, Kent Norman wrote: > Earl > > Looking back, we can see that home builders had been > leading for quite a while. It was only a matter of > time till they ran out of steam. Perhaps we should > start looking for an age limit? > > Does anyone have information on how long typical (if > there is such a thing) leaders keep the lead? Someone on CNBC pointed out the home builders are a cyclical type group, and you want to buy them when they look awful, and get out when earnings are very good, which is what is going on now. This may explain why they are weak. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT gap up 4 days in a row Date: 02 May 2001 20:29:51 -0700 (PDT) take a look at this one then. I see gaps on open. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=cprt&d=c&k=c4&t=5d&l=on&z=l&q=l Kent --- Tom Worley wrote: > DGO doesn't show the gaps, guess they are too small > to appear. I > note 4/30 it closed down slightly (10 cents), which > would more > than offset a gap up. I generally dislike a morning > gap up that > is filled by the close. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: CANSLIM > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:52 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] CPRT gap up 4 days in a row > > > Any comments on CPRT gap up in the morning for 4 > days > in a row? > > Thanks > Kent Norman > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] NHCH Date: 02 May 2001 23:34:33 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C0D360.7253F580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Defying the recent weakness in the home builders, NHCH now up 22% in six = straight days of gains, including 5% today. Way too extended to buy. And = still has a trailing PE of only 7. Guess Chris should be happy, at = least, but wish I could have seen this coming. Q1 earnings not out yet, = and just checked Whispers but they have no data. DGO indicates earnings = on 5/9. Formed a volatile 4+ week base below the high, b/o preceded by a sharp = drop in price on 4/24, completely recovered on 4/25. This is one of the many problems in trying to correctly catch a thinly = traded low priced stock. Fundies nice at 90/93/A/A/A/A Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C0D360.7253F580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Defying the recent weakness in the home builders, = NHCH now up=20 22% in six straight days of gains, including 5% today. Way too extended = to buy.=20 And still has a trailing PE of only 7. Guess Chris should be happy, at = least,=20 but wish I could have seen this coming. Q1 earnings not out yet, and = just=20 checked Whispers but they have no data. DGO indicates earnings on=20 5/9.
 
Formed a volatile 4+ week base below the high, b/o = preceded by=20 a sharp drop in price on 4/24, completely recovered on = 4/25.
 
This is one of the many problems in trying to = correctly catch=20 a thinly traded low priced stock. Fundies nice at = 90/93/A/A/A/A
 
Tom Worley
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------=_NextPart_000_008E_01C0D360.7253F580-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] NHCH Date: 02 May 2001 20:41:32 -0700 (PDT) thanks Tom I wish the group had some kind of early warning system to catch these moves. There is a psychic down the street... Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Defying the recent weakness in the home builders, > NHCH now up 22% in six straight days of gains, > including 5% today. Way too extended to buy. And > still has a trailing PE of only 7. Guess Chris > should be happy, at least, but wish I could have > seen this coming. Q1 earnings not out yet, and just > checked Whispers but they have no data. DGO > indicates earnings on 5/9. > > Formed a volatile 4+ week base below the high, b/o > preceded by a sharp drop in price on 4/24, > completely recovered on 4/25. > > This is one of the many problems in trying to > correctly catch a thinly traded low priced stock. > Fundies nice at 90/93/A/A/A/A > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tracie Oken" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back Date: 02 May 2001 21:01:02 -0700 Tom, As you stated in one of the paragraphs below maybe some of our choices are not good CANSLIM. Could the group please look at CHBS and see what they think. We bought this 4/19 at $37.47. This looks like a pretty good CANSLIM stock to us. As we read it the breakout was actually 4/9. Since we didn't catch it at that time were we too extended on 4/19 and should we not have bought at that time. Also, what about the drop today of 5% on heavy volume. Should we not be concerned since we are still above the 7-8% stop rule. (I guess maybe we don't have enough patience!) Thank you all in advance for your help. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:48 PM > Welcome to the group, Tracie, and a Hi to your husband as well, > > I have been using CANSLIM for well over a decade now, and cannot > recall seeing such carnage in the markets, esp. NASDAQ, as in > recent months. There are a lot of people who still lack > confidence that the worst is over, we have bottomed out, a new > bull is starting, etc. You have a lot of company. > > Even tho I am now up nearly 40% for this year, and even up over > the start of 2000, I still have not found the motivation to put > my remaining cash back into the market. This is the longest in at > least 6-7 years that I have sat on any appreciable cash. And I > remained fully invested throughout 2000, so that should tell you > something. > > Right now, the market trend has reversed as a result of a > psychological change from the investment community being > excessively fearful to being overly optimistic. Companies cut > earnings forecasts so sharply that it has been easy for them to > meet or beat the expectations. Economic reports are starting to > show meaningful results, tho, that the worst of the economic > slowdown is over, and this should support further strength in the > markets short term. > > Since both you and your husband are trying to use CANSLIM, I > would suggest to you what my wife and I did. Swap ideas, play > devil's advocate for each other. See if you can find flaws or > logic faults in each other's picks. And do the same thing with > this group. Maybe some of your choices were not good CANSLIM, esp > if you were not looking for the breakout patterns. This group > will give you good opinions and advice, use it (and if we like > your picks we'll use them!!). > > The last advice I give you, and all other members not sure yet > about this recovery, is to take your time. You don't have to jump > in with all your cash, or buy a full position. Play a few you are > not certain about just on paper, and learn from it. Also, go back > and study the ones you mention failed on you. Try to understand, > based on what you could know at the time of the buy, if you > considered (and gave adequate weight) to the right factors. And > see how they have done since. Just because you did well prior to > 2000 does not mean you completely understand, or are correctly > applying, CANSLIM. That was a favorable market where most > anything could conceivably go up. > > Good luck, and keep talking to us, > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tracie Oken > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:58 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back > > > We are a husband and wife who both follow CANSLIM. We have been > reading IBD > for 5 years and have used most of the CANSLIM criteria to pick > stocks but > only recently have spent the time to try to understand the > various bases and > breakout strategies. We each buy different stocks but have had > little > success the past two weeks as almost all our breakouts have > failed. In the > past (pre-2000), before we were focusing on breakouts, we were > more > successful with CANSLIM. Even more frustrating is that while the > market is > advancing our stocks are losing ground. WON says to ignore the > prior market > leaders which are beaten up but they are the ones going up 5-10% > per day. > Can anyone offer any consolation (and/or advice)? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Thoughts on RLRN? Date: 02 May 2001 23:01:15 CDT Thanks for the feedback Tom. I am hoping it will consilidate a little aro= und 38.5 - 39.5, but have a stop in at 36.3, which if hit, I think will indic= ate a failed breakout from the flag. Regards - Fanus "Tom Worley" wrote: Personally, I think today was a short squeeze. With a short position of over 1 million shares, and a float of 9.9 million shares, that would explain today's 6+X ADV and price spike. Stock has been up now 7 straight days, so be prepared to give a little back, but hopefully not below the 36.5 to 37 level. I can't disagree with getting in a little early. The base that was forming was tight. I have the same problem of waiting for the b/o to buy, due time limitations at work. But the CS elements look good, except for the cash flow. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:36 PM Any thoughts on RLRN? It formed a new high today on pretty high volume. I jumped the gun a little and got in on Monday. The chart is probably not an ideal CANSLIM base chart, but my reasons for getting in was: 1. Good CANSLIM and IBD numbers IMHO. 2. After last week high volume and jump in price, it didn't come crashing down right away and seemed to start forming a flag. 3. OBV was touching new high territory and Up/Down volume according to IBD was possitive. 4. And then I pretty much have only access and time on weekends when I am home to run and researh my screens, and have to make compromises and accept a little more risk with my entry points. - Fanus _________________________________________________________________ ___ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] MCHM Date: 03 May 2001 00:06:21 EDT --part1_b7.dc51b59.2822333d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A low priced stock might be worth taking a second look at if it breaks about 6.60 Long term chart (monthly) doesn't look good at all. EASI starting to come to life SPCH also starting to perk up. TWRI thanks Tom (I believe) picked it up last week when I spotted it on your list, was almost the only one I really liked. HOV and HOC both cost me some today but feel its just some short term profit taking. Enjoy all, Chris. --part1_b7.dc51b59.2822333d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A low priced stock might be worth taking a second look at if it breaks about
6.60
Long term chart (monthly) doesn't look good at all.

EASI starting to come to life

SPCH also starting to perk up.

TWRI thanks Tom (I believe) picked it up last week when I spotted it on your
list, was almost the only one I really liked.

HOV and HOC both cost me some today but feel its just some short term profit
taking.

Enjoy all, Chris. --part1_b7.dc51b59.2822333d_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] PHM Date: 02 May 2001 21:21:11 -0700 HOV tanked, MDC was off 9%, I'd say builders were weak, and have been all week. Bet they drop to 3rd or lower by the end of the week. At 05:35 PM 5/2/2001 -0600, you wrote: >This was a personal observation based on the stocks I owned and several >others I was watching. For the day, IBD shows that the group was off 2% >and was one of the 10 weakest groups in the entire market for the day >(underlined). The #2 rank is based on 6 months of action, so it won't >generally react a significant amount to one or two days of weakness or >strength. > > >At 07:42 AM 5/2/01 -0700, you wrote: > > Builders were weak? Bldg-Residential/Commercial ranks 2nd today in >IBD. > >Am I missing something? > >Thanks. -----Original Message----- > >From: esetser [mailto:esetser@covad.net] > >Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:23 PM > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PHM > > Two things happened this week 1 - PHM was specifically downgraded > >yesterday as a part of a generally > > Most of the builders were weak, PHM was > >worse. > > As is usually the case, the > > Wish I had grabbed WBB instead!!! At 06:38 PM 5/1/01 -0700, you wrote: > >> <>" made the following > >> annotations on 05/01/01 18:36:39 > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- > >> This message, including any attachments, may include > >> Any distribution or > >>use of this communication by anyone other than the intended > recipient(s) is > >> If you are not the intended > >>recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then > >>delete it from your system. Thank you. > >> > >> > >> > >=========================================================================== >=== > >> - > >"" > >"" or > >"" Do not use quotes in your email. <>" made the following > > annotations on 05/02/01 07:40:45 > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include > >privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or > >use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is > >strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended > >recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then > >delete it from your system. Thank you. > > > > > > >============================================================================== > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back Date: 03 May 2001 00:44:04 -0400 Hi Tracie, The sharp drop on 4/3 of over 12% in price, even tho on low volume, would make me see the prior base as broken, thus I would not have seen the spike on 3X ADV on 4/9. Buying where you did means you didn't have a clean base to support any retrenchment. Today's drop on better than 1.5X ADV puts you back close to your entry point, and down slightly. If this is temporary, then your 8% stop loss should be ok, but I would not change it. I would, however, watch it like a hawk for the next day or two to see what the stock intends to do now. Better to bail out with only a 5% loss, and look for a better behaving stock, than to let it go all the way to 8% or worse if tomorrow is more of today. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:01 AM Tom, As you stated in one of the paragraphs below maybe some of our choices are not good CANSLIM. Could the group please look at CHBS and see what they think. We bought this 4/19 at $37.47. This looks like a pretty good CANSLIM stock to us. As we read it the breakout was actually 4/9. Since we didn't catch it at that time were we too extended on 4/19 and should we not have bought at that time. Also, what about the drop today of 5% on heavy volume. Should we not be concerned since we are still above the 7-8% stop rule. (I guess maybe we don't have enough patience!) Thank you all in advance for your help. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:48 PM > Welcome to the group, Tracie, and a Hi to your husband as well, > > I have been using CANSLIM for well over a decade now, and cannot > recall seeing such carnage in the markets, esp. NASDAQ, as in > recent months. There are a lot of people who still lack > confidence that the worst is over, we have bottomed out, a new > bull is starting, etc. You have a lot of company. > > Even tho I am now up nearly 40% for this year, and even up over > the start of 2000, I still have not found the motivation to put > my remaining cash back into the market. This is the longest in at > least 6-7 years that I have sat on any appreciable cash. And I > remained fully invested throughout 2000, so that should tell you > something. > > Right now, the market trend has reversed as a result of a > psychological change from the investment community being > excessively fearful to being overly optimistic. Companies cut > earnings forecasts so sharply that it has been easy for them to > meet or beat the expectations. Economic reports are starting to > show meaningful results, tho, that the worst of the economic > slowdown is over, and this should support further strength in the > markets short term. > > Since both you and your husband are trying to use CANSLIM, I > would suggest to you what my wife and I did. Swap ideas, play > devil's advocate for each other. See if you can find flaws or > logic faults in each other's picks. And do the same thing with > this group. Maybe some of your choices were not good CANSLIM, esp > if you were not looking for the breakout patterns. This group > will give you good opinions and advice, use it (and if we like > your picks we'll use them!!). > > The last advice I give you, and all other members not sure yet > about this recovery, is to take your time. You don't have to jump > in with all your cash, or buy a full position. Play a few you are > not certain about just on paper, and learn from it. Also, go back > and study the ones you mention failed on you. Try to understand, > based on what you could know at the time of the buy, if you > considered (and gave adequate weight) to the right factors. And > see how they have done since. Just because you did well prior to > 2000 does not mean you completely understand, or are correctly > applying, CANSLIM. That was a favorable market where most > anything could conceivably go up. > > Good luck, and keep talking to us, > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tracie Oken > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:58 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back > > > We are a husband and wife who both follow CANSLIM. We have been > reading IBD > for 5 years and have used most of the CANSLIM criteria to pick > stocks but > only recently have spent the time to try to understand the > various bases and > breakout strategies. We each buy different stocks but have had > little > success the past two weeks as almost all our breakouts have > failed. In the > past (pre-2000), before we were focusing on breakouts, we were > more > successful with CANSLIM. Even more frustrating is that while the > market is > advancing our stocks are losing ground. WON says to ignore the > prior market > leaders which are beaten up but they are the ones going up 5-10% > per day. > Can anyone offer any consolation (and/or advice)? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] MCHM Date: 03 May 2001 00:58:43 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C0D36C.332A1AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any reason you are not showing the 4th (Dec '00) quarterly results on = this one? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C0D36C.332A1AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any reason you are not showing the 4th (Dec '00) = quarterly=20 results on this one?
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C0D36C.332A1AE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MCHM Date: 03 May 2001 01:01:32 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C0D36C.986BBC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Chris, but I won't let you get away with this one. MCHM does not = even come close to a CANSLIM conversation. Start up, development stage = drug company, EPS of 20, revenues for the past 4 qtrs of only $690,000 = against a market cap of $146.2 million, let's see, that's a cap/sales = ratio of what, only 212?? And five straight years of steady to = increasing losses, without hitting a home run yet? DGO seems to have so = low an interest, they don't even show the Dec qtr results, I assume they = must have been reported or the symbol (if not delisted) would have = already changed to MCHME. Chris, this is a CANSLIM board. If you persist in continuing to tout = penny stocks and momentum stocks, at least have the decency to say = something nice about them in the context of CANSLIM criteria. I don't = find a single thing I can say about this stock that would vaguely = qualify as meeting any CANSLIM requirement or objective. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] MCHM A low priced stock might be worth taking a second look at if it breaks = about=20 6.60=20 Long term chart (monthly) doesn't look good at all.=20 EASI starting to come to life=20 SPCH also starting to perk up.=20 TWRI thanks Tom (I believe) picked it up last week when I spotted it = on your=20 list, was almost the only one I really liked.=20 HOV and HOC both cost me some today but feel its just some short term = profit=20 taking.=20 Enjoy all, Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C0D36C.986BBC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry Chris, but I won't let you get away with this = one. MCHM=20 does not even come close to a CANSLIM conversation. Start up, = development stage=20 drug company, EPS of 20, revenues for the past 4 qtrs of only $690,000 = against a=20 market cap of $146.2 million, let's see, that's a cap/sales ratio of = what, only=20 212?? And five straight years of steady to increasing losses, without = hitting a=20 home run yet? DGO seems to have so low an interest, they don't even show = the Dec=20 qtr results, I assume they must have been reported or the symbol (if not = delisted) would have already changed to MCHME.
 
Chris, this is a CANSLIM board. If you persist in = continuing=20 to tout penny stocks and momentum stocks, at least have the decency to = say=20 something nice about them in the context of CANSLIM criteria. I don't = find a=20 single thing I can say about this stock that would vaguely qualify as = meeting=20 any CANSLIM requirement or objective.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 = 12:06=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] MCHM

A low = priced stock=20 might be worth taking a second look at if it breaks about
6.60 =
Long=20 term chart (monthly) doesn't look good at all.

EASI starting = to come=20 to life

SPCH also starting to perk up.

TWRI thanks Tom = (I=20 believe) picked it up last week when I spotted it on your
list, = was almost=20 the only one I really liked.

HOV and HOC both cost me some = today but=20 feel its just some short term profit
taking.

Enjoy all,=20 Chris. ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C0D36C.986BBC60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MCHM Date: 03 May 2001 01:17:22 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C0D36E.CE765A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry about that, meant to send it to DGO CustServ, my error. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] MCHM Any reason you are not showing the 4th (Dec '00) quarterly results on = this one? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C0D36E.CE765A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry about that, meant to send it to DGO CustServ, = my=20 error.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 = 12:58=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] MCHM

Any reason you are not showing the 4th (Dec '00) = quarterly=20 results on this one?
 
Tom Worley
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------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C0D36E.CE765A20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Lucero" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back Date: 02 May 2001 22:42:32 -0700 What would keep me from buying is Funds ownership of 45% (too high). If I were to buy where you did, I would put my hard stop below the dip at 29.50. Since this is below the pivot, if it closed below the pivot, I'd sell some or all. Since the risk (distance to pivot) is so large (21%), I'd buy fewer shares. Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 9:01 PM > Tom, > > As you stated in one of the paragraphs below maybe some of our choices are > not good CANSLIM. Could the group please look at CHBS and see what they > think. We bought this 4/19 at $37.47. This looks like a pretty good CANSLIM > stock to us. As we read it the breakout was actually 4/9. Since we didn't > catch it at that time were we too extended on 4/19 and should we not have > bought at that time. Also, what about the drop today of 5% on heavy volume. > Should we not be concerned since we are still above the 7-8% stop rule. (I > guess maybe we don't have enough patience!) > > Thank you all in advance for your help. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Worley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back > > > > Welcome to the group, Tracie, and a Hi to your husband as well, > > > > I have been using CANSLIM for well over a decade now, and cannot > > recall seeing such carnage in the markets, esp. NASDAQ, as in > > recent months. There are a lot of people who still lack > > confidence that the worst is over, we have bottomed out, a new > > bull is starting, etc. You have a lot of company. > > > > Even tho I am now up nearly 40% for this year, and even up over > > the start of 2000, I still have not found the motivation to put > > my remaining cash back into the market. This is the longest in at > > least 6-7 years that I have sat on any appreciable cash. And I > > remained fully invested throughout 2000, so that should tell you > > something. > > > > Right now, the market trend has reversed as a result of a > > psychological change from the investment community being > > excessively fearful to being overly optimistic. Companies cut > > earnings forecasts so sharply that it has been easy for them to > > meet or beat the expectations. Economic reports are starting to > > show meaningful results, tho, that the worst of the economic > > slowdown is over, and this should support further strength in the > > markets short term. > > > > Since both you and your husband are trying to use CANSLIM, I > > would suggest to you what my wife and I did. Swap ideas, play > > devil's advocate for each other. See if you can find flaws or > > logic faults in each other's picks. And do the same thing with > > this group. Maybe some of your choices were not good CANSLIM, esp > > if you were not looking for the breakout patterns. This group > > will give you good opinions and advice, use it (and if we like > > your picks we'll use them!!). > > > > The last advice I give you, and all other members not sure yet > > about this recovery, is to take your time. You don't have to jump > > in with all your cash, or buy a full position. Play a few you are > > not certain about just on paper, and learn from it. Also, go back > > and study the ones you mention failed on you. Try to understand, > > based on what you could know at the time of the buy, if you > > considered (and gave adequate weight) to the right factors. And > > see how they have done since. Just because you did well prior to > > 2000 does not mean you completely understand, or are correctly > > applying, CANSLIM. That was a favorable market where most > > anything could conceivably go up. > > > > Good luck, and keep talking to us, > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tracie Oken > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:58 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Please help us get our confidence back > > > > > > We are a husband and wife who both follow CANSLIM. We have been > > reading IBD > > for 5 years and have used most of the CANSLIM criteria to pick > > stocks but > > only recently have spent the time to try to understand the > > various bases and > > breakout strategies. We each buy different stocks but have had > > little > > success the past two weeks as almost all our breakouts have > > failed. In the > > past (pre-2000), before we were focusing on breakouts, we were > > more > > successful with CANSLIM. Even more frustrating is that while the > > market is > > advancing our stocks are losing ground. WON says to ignore the > > prior market > > leaders which are beaten up but they are the ones going up 5-10% > > per day. > > Can anyone offer any consolation (and/or advice)? > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Lucero" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 02 May 2001 22:42:40 -0700 With RS/EPS of 99/87 it would be second in it's group, I think. Quarterly sales growth for the previous two quarters was negative. Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:03 PM > I'm interested in some group feedback on SERO. My take is that we're in the > handle of a C&H. IBD numbers look good, even garnering an A+ from the stock > check-up. Earnings announced after market close were 100% greater than the > same qtr a year ago. One knock so far is that it's not within the top few in > their group. Any other thoughts ? > > Thanks, > Roger > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kraus0R@cs.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 03 May 2001 06:16:29 EDT Thanks Tom and Mike, You are correct is stating that I don't use DGO data, just a subscription to the paper and the info on the IBD website that that buys me. I appreciate the feedback on the fundamentals. Roger - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-canslim@xmission.com (Jeff Salisbury) Subject: [CANSLIM] Accessing the discussion canslim archives... Date: 03 May 2001 08:00:00 -0600 From time to time, CANSLIM members may wish to browse the discussion archives. This posting provides instructions on how to access the archives. Thanks to David Cameron for compiling the essentials of this message. Here are the two ways to access the archives: 1. The best way is to use your web browser. To browse the archives, point your browser to: http://www.xmission.com/~mcjathan/cgi/lwgate.cgi/CANSLIM/ You can do simple key-word searches on the archive by going to: http://www.xmission.com/~mcjathan/canslim/search.html 2. (Not as convenient) via email: Send an email to majordomo@xmission.com with the following as the body of your message: "index canslim". Then send a follow up email to request an old email from either the "archive" or "latest" directory. Note that your request must be in the body of your email. For example: "get canslim latest/001" will retrieve file "001" from the "latest" directory. "get canslim archive/v01.n066" will retrieve file "v01.n066" from the "archive" dir. Best Regards, Jeff Salisbury - CANSLIM list owner/admin - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Daviscourt" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 03 May 2001 11:04:29 -0500 Patrick, I have found that the IBD Industry rankings tend to lag. I use IRL with QP2 data and find my rankings using the Wilder RSI with 14 week. Doing so, the residential builders as of yesterday ranked 45th with a RS of 78. The week of 4/27 they ranked 25th with a RS of 88 and the prior week of 4/20 they ranked 62nd with a RS of 69. I am new to using the IRL but found it after noticing that the IBD Industry rankings tended to lag and wanting to find something more accurate for my personal needs. If you desire more information on this product you might want to go to www.ianforum.com. Eric ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:19 PM > > > On 2 May 01, at 17:28, Kent Norman wrote: > > > Earl > > > > Looking back, we can see that home builders had been > > leading for quite a while. It was only a matter of > > time till they ran out of steam. Perhaps we should > > start looking for an age limit? > > > > Does anyone have information on how long typical (if > > there is such a thing) leaders keep the lead? > > Someone on CNBC pointed out the home builders are a cyclical > type group, and you want to buy them when they look awful, and > get out when earnings are very good, which is what is going on > now. This may explain why they are weak. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Investors Corner today. Date: 03 May 2001 09:37:43 -0700 With some failed breakouts, as usual IBD reads this group (I'm sure of that now). Today's Investors Corner is about breakouts that can succeed after a false start. Interesting to note: at the time of the b/o the RS line should be at a new high... something I have been failing to notice (not any more though). My only problem with this is how does this work with stocks that are not at all time highs that are now forming new bases after falling so much last year? I can't see the RS line hitting any new highs soon. I don't have any specific issues at this time to list but as the days go by and more bases are formed by the techs, I feel this will be the situation we'll be in. Any thoughts? -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis Date: 03 May 2001 10:05:28 -0700 This is from Ian Woodward, a very insightful analysis of ALLY. Pull up a=20 chart to see the HTF and subsequent B/O. The HTF was the 3rd week of March,= =20 when vol was practically dead. >Topic: ALLY - a follow up for Bulls and Bears (1 of 4), Read 126 times=20 >Conf: HGS Stock Analysis From: Ian Woodward ianforum@aol.com Date: Sunday,= =20 >April 29, 2001 09:14 AM > >Some of you have told me that you have bought ALLY on the strength of the= =20 >analysis we did at the March workshop and I felt it might be helpful to=20 >provide a follow up to the discussion for you to chew on. > >Various opinions regarding the 10% drop in the stock this past Friday on=20 >light volume have been suggested depending on whether one is a Bull or a=20 >Bear. I like the scenarios that suggest that with light volume, it was a=20 >good time for the MM=92s to swoop down and pick up shares at 22ish. We know= =20 >that the Institutions have been buying in at $20, 22 and 24 this past=20 >month. They have 38% activity over the last month so with a float of 6.8M= =20 >shares that suggests their portion is somewhere around 2.6M shares.=20 >Likewise, Retail is about 30% so that would suggest 2.0Million shares.=20 >Short Interest was recently reported at 800K+ accounting for a further=20 >12%, so adding these three together gives us 5.4 Million Shares total or=20 >80% accounted for. This leaves 1.4Million float available, which at=20 >188,000 ADV suggests about 7 Days of float for the MM=92s to play with.= Note=20 >that the float churns within 36 days anyway, which of course is indicative= =20 >of a strong demand, with a demand/supply ratio of 2.8 =96 that=92s good. > >Fundamentally, ALLY=92s current P-E is at 14, which is a steal, high debt= =20 >notwithstanding. Others on this BB have suggested that the forward=20 >earnings for the next qtr would more reasonably be at around 75c, despite= =20 >the current guidance of 65c. That is very reasonable given the=20 >management=92s track record and propensity to feed out the good news at=20 >opportune times between qtrs. Using next qtrs TTM for earnings would=20 >suggest $2.22 or about a 10 P-E. $30 for the next near term move is not=20 >unreasonable, and that seems logical given a 14 P-E at $2.22. > >Technically, we know the High Tight Flag (HTF) is over for now. It=20 >delivered its two legs as forecast and obviously with the excellent=20 >earnings delivery now old news, some pause to refresh was to be expected. > >It appears the shorts are off the hook for the time being and have a=20 >little breathing room given the late Friday afternoon dip. The cheering=20 >section for a short squeeze will have to wait a while, although another=20 >rapid breakout above $24 could have caused the climax run with a=20 >capitulation of the shorts throwing in the towel. With that scenario, $30= =20 >was on the cards, but it now appears that the upward move should be more=20 >gradual, which may be just as well for all long term holders of the stock. > >With the stock at $22.39, the line in the sand between Bulls and Bears is= =20 >currently 74c lower at $21.65, which happens to also be the 17-day MA=20 >(simple). That is good for the Bulls. There is a small residual gap=20 >waiting to be closed by the Bears down to $21.44, and unless there is a=20 >rush of buy orders on Monday at or around this level, next support is at=20 >$20, the original breakout for the second leg of the HTF on 4/12/2001. All= =20 >great leaders rise above the 17-Day MA and seldom correct more than 15%=20 >during their prime drive up, and ALLY is a great leader. If the price=20 >should get as low as $20, expect a bounce play off at that level as the=20 >long-term bulls and the institutions should hop in with both feet and=20 >cause short covering into the bargain. However, we still can=92t get away= =20 >from the fact of a thin float provided there are few sellers. Bad for the= =20 >shorts in the short-term and the longs in the long term! > >Monday will be interesting. Regards, Ian. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Re.Tuesday's Sponsorship Rating Date: 03 May 2001 13:30:59 EDT Earl: I asked IBD why give sponsorship rating in Tuesday's edition if the info. is misleading and out of date. Here's their reply: "First, some background on the fund data: Mutual funds are required to report their holdings at least twice a year, although many report on a quarterly basis. For example, the reporting dates in the Leading Fund charts found daily on page B1 apply to the "largest holdings," as well as the "new buys" and "new sells." There is generally a three month lag between the end of the quarter in question and the time the information is made available to the public. The information provided in IBD is compiled by CDA/Wiesenberger and is updated weekly. It is the most timely information available and is also used when calculating the Sponsorship Rating. Although this information is a bit dated, it is still a useful component in making investment decisions. That's because mutual funds operate differently than individual investors. Mutual funds, with their large size, are not as nimble as individual investors. It may take them months to acquire or unload a particular stock in their portfolio. Further, they typically will buy a stock with a long-term investment horizon in mind. So the top buys and sells in the Leading Funds charts and Sponsorship Rating in the stock tables may be indicative of larger trends at work." jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis Date: 03 May 2001 13:47:05 -0400 Tim, would you be able to email the URL to the article? I went to the site but was not able to find it. Also, I have tried to look for the article on HTF that you had mentioned some time ago but I was not able to find it either. Do you happen to have that article? Thank you. Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Thoughts on RLRN? Date: 03 May 2001 13:48:10 EDT Fanus: I think you got in at a propitious time. The base broke, I believe, a week ago yesterday, still Mon. was only about $1 more than the pivot point. Actually, I think this is a very nice CANSLIM buy-the only reason I wouldn't have bought it is, not because of the stock, but rather because of the market. Today, I believe profit-takers are causing its decline, and if its volume comes in below yesterdays I wouldn't worry too much about the decline (however, just in case, I'd put in a trailing stop). If the decline doesn't go below the top of the left lip, and the decline is on less volume then yesterday's advance, I would think that would give one a buying opportunity to add more shares. Any comments out there? jans In a message dated 5/2/2001 10:37:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fanus@usa.net writes: << Any thoughts on RLRN? It formed a new high today on pretty high volume. I jumped the gun a little and got in on Monday. The chart is probably not an ideal CANSLIM base chart, but my reasons for getting in was: 1. Good CANSLIM and IBD numbers IMHO. 2. After last week high volume and jump in price, it didn't come crashing down right away and seemed to start forming a flag. 3. OBV was touching new high territory and Up/Down volume according to IBD was possitive. 4. And then I pretty much have only access and time on weekends when I am home to run and researh my screens, and have to make compromises and accept a little more risk with my entry points. - Fanus >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis Date: 03 May 2001 11:00:59 -0700 They were both posted to the discussion board, which is a link from Ian's front page. On 10:47 AM 5/3/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >Tim, would you be able to email the URL to the article? > >I went to the site but was not able to find it. Also, I have tried to look >for the article on HTF that you had mentioned some time ago but I was not >able to find it either. Do you happen to have that article? > >Thank you. >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: [CANSLIM] CHIC Date: 03 May 2001 14:27:06 -0400 Hi, what is group's opinion on CHIC? I do not like today's behaviour - it seems to me it is ready to go down. Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 03 May 2001 14:27:36 EDT Tom: One reason, I believe, cash-flow will drop is when there is an increase in dividends. Companies must pay taxes on their earnings, and dividends cannot be deducted from the taxes (ie. it is a discretionary payment that the company must pay out of earnings). Can you think of any other reason why earnings increase, but cash-flow comes in as less than earnings? The only other reason I can think of is because the company is paying its debts (or what if foresees as debts) ahead of time. jans jans In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << ...Also, cash flow is slightly lower than last year's earnings.... >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Thoughts on RLRN? Date: 03 May 2001 14:43:55 EDT Tom: Nice observation on the short squeeze; I hadn't even noticed that shorts made up approx. 10% of the stocks float. When I read the post I looked at RLRN in Tuesday's sponsorship ratings. Last Tues. it was rated an "E". In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:15:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Personally, I think today was a short squeeze. With a short position of over 1 million shares, and a float of 9.9 million shares, that would explain today's 6+X ADV and price spike. Stock has been up now 7 straight days, so be prepared to give a little back, but hopefully not below the 36.5 to 37 level. I can't disagree with getting in a little early. The base that was forming was tight. I have the same problem of waiting for the b/o to buy, due time limitations at work. But the CS elements look good, except for the cash flow. Tom Worley >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Investors Corner today. Date: 03 May 2001 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT) For the sake of those wha may read this after the article is gone, I think thisis the paragraph you are referencing. http://www.investors.com/editorial/corner.asp?v=5/3 "A stock’s Relative Strength line, which plots price changes vs. the S&P 500, should spike up when the stock breaks out of a base. Sun’s line moved up but didn’t reach new high ground, what you’d like to see (point 2). But the nail in the coffin was the Nasdaq. Sun’s breakout ran in step with the Nasdaq’s new high. But the index reversed sharply the next week, triggering a nasty sell-off that whacked even the best tech stocks " Regards Kent Norman --- Bill Triffet wrote: > With some failed breakouts, as usual IBD reads this > group (I'm sure of that > now). Today's Investors Corner is about breakouts > that can succeed after a > false start. > > Interesting to note: at the time of the b/o the RS > line should be at a new > high... something I have been failing to notice (not > any more though). My > only problem with this is how does this work with > stocks that are not at all > time highs that are now forming new bases after > falling so much last year? I > can't see the RS line hitting any new highs soon. > I don't have any specific issues at this time to > list but as the days go by > and more bases are formed by the techs, I feel this > will be the situation > we'll be in. Any thoughts? > > -Bill Triffet > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Investors Corner today. Date: 03 May 2001 11:58:53 -0700 (PDT) I guess we should start indicating whether thr RS line is at a new high when listing the numbers? Kent Norman --- Bill Triffet wrote: > With some failed breakouts, as usual IBD reads this > group (I'm sure of that > now). Today's Investors Corner is about breakouts > that can succeed after a > false start. > > Interesting to note: at the time of the b/o the RS > line should be at a new > high... something I have been failing to notice (not > any more though). My > only problem with this is how does this work with > stocks that are not at all > time highs that are now forming new bases after > falling so much last year? I > can't see the RS line hitting any new highs soon. > I don't have any specific issues at this time to > list but as the days go by > and more bases are formed by the techs, I feel this > will be the situation > we'll be in. Any thoughts? > > -Bill Triffet > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CHIC Date: 03 May 2001 16:26:47 -0400 Someone posted earler money flow indicator reading. I am sorry I do not remember who you are. You also said that money flow is a tick by tick indicator. Could you elaborate on that? What does it mean? The site below has money flow indicator. Do you know if this is the same indicator? (click on Studies Wizard below Draw Chart button and go to Indicators). http://www.prophetfinance.com/charts/sc.asp?submit=yes&symbol=CHIC& Thank you. Anna Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Hi, what is group's opinion on CHIC? I do not like today's behaviour - it seems to me it is ready to go down. Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "can slim" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 03 May 2001 17:15:07 -0400 http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7079926&tid=hov&sid=7079926&mid=739 >From: "Tim Fisher" >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts >Date: 2 May 2001 08:34:28 -0700 > >HOV dumped me this AM. At least I had a profit! Looks like a complete >meltdown. > > At 08:33 PM 5/1/2001 -0600, you wrote: >>First, I have had a couple of people respond to my Clearstation "sell" >>notifications here. For those who didn't know, my original message wasn't >>posted here, and it basically said I was dumped out of several stocks. >> >>Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... >> >> >>Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, 2 other stocks, and >>added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. At that point, 4 of 5 >>stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this rally would be >>different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day later, and I've been >>stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of my funds (more or >>less). >> I got burned 2-fold. >> >>I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly on Monday and Tuesday. >>One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then plummeted. In the end, I >>took >>losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, I'm very surprised to >>see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has 5-10 potential CANSLIM >>breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this something that >>happens >>to the top group very often? Have others witnessed this kind of meltdown >>very often? >> >>My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely late last week, and >>then seemed to be resting a bit just above the pivot. It looked ready to >>move higher, especially with its group moving up rapidly, so I gave it a >>shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as soon as I saw the drop >>(about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the stock had moved up on >>the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a VERY UNUSUAL dividend >>announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, everyone who owned the >>stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share in a few weeks. At >>that >>point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their holdings at a new high, >>and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. Given this, there >>seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. I mean, the value of >>last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect HUGE downward pressure on >>the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an example. This is >>clearly my fault for not reading the news before buying, but has anyone >>seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely that the stock price >>would >>hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to me. >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: [CANSLIM] TRR Date: 03 May 2001 15:03:38 -0600 TRR has tried yesterday and today to break past 52 week high of 33 bucks. Today vol was 4x ADV but still couldnt do it. Looks like an excellent CANSLIM stock. The C&H, if you agree to call it that, has'nt been the smoothest. Tomorrow should be interesting. I bought in early couple weeks ago and weathered a brutal shakeout. Now I'd like to be rewarded with a breakout. Maybe I should make a sacrifice and sell half my shares?? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 03 May 2001 18:38:06 -0400 Interesting, DGO has the group Bldg-Resident/Commercial still ranked at the top with a GRS of 99. I don't understand why WON doesn't just do away with the A to E ratings and use GRS instead. At least then you can see movement up and down without having to wait for the letter to change as it moves from one 20% group to the next. In this case, tho, GRS didn't show the decline I was expecting. Hummm! Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:04 PM Patrick, I have found that the IBD Industry rankings tend to lag. I use IRL with QP2 data and find my rankings using the Wilder RSI with 14 week. Doing so, the residential builders as of yesterday ranked 45th with a RS of 78. The week of 4/27 they ranked 25th with a RS of 88 and the prior week of 4/20 they ranked 62nd with a RS of 69. I am new to using the IRL but found it after noticing that the IBD Industry rankings tended to lag and wanting to find something more accurate for my personal needs. If you desire more information on this product you might want to go to www.ianforum.com. Eric ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:19 PM > > > On 2 May 01, at 17:28, Kent Norman wrote: > > > Earl > > > > Looking back, we can see that home builders had been > > leading for quite a while. It was only a matter of > > time till they ran out of steam. Perhaps we should > > start looking for an age limit? > > > > Does anyone have information on how long typical (if > > there is such a thing) leaders keep the lead? > > Someone on CNBC pointed out the home builders are a cyclical > type group, and you want to buy them when they look awful, and > get out when earnings are very good, which is what is going on > now. This may explain why they are weak. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 03 May 2001 19:05:41 -0400 Hi Jans, I am not an accountant, but maybe we have one in the group who can jump in here. My understanding of cash flow is that it is EBITDA (Earnings Before Income Tax Depreciation Amortization). This sometimes is also called gross profit, but is not the same. My understanding of EBITDA is that it is the gross revenues, minus virtually all expenses other than the three mentioned above. So cash flow measured this way can be affected by a lot of things, including significant changes in R&D expenses, other major capital expenses, a lot of new hiring, layoffs with associated severance packages, launching a new product line with heavy marketing expenses, etc. While dividends are not deductible from the corp taxes, I do believe they are deducted ahead of EBITDA, thus they serve to reduce taxable income. That is why they are taxable income to the recipient. At least that's my logic, altho I seem to recall someone trying to convince me they are taxed at both the corp and the recipient level. The only way I know to understand changes in cash flow is to compare the 10Qs and the 10K, and see where changes are occurring out of proportion to the change in gross revenue. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:27 PM Tom: One reason, I believe, cash-flow will drop is when there is an increase in dividends. Companies must pay taxes on their earnings, and dividends cannot be deducted from the taxes (ie. it is a discretionary payment that the company must pay out of earnings). Can you think of any other reason why earnings increase, but cash-flow comes in as less than earnings? The only other reason I can think of is because the company is paying its debts (or what if foresees as debts) ahead of time. jans jans In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << ...Also, cash flow is slightly lower than last year's earnings.... >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Thoughts on RLRN? Date: 03 May 2001 19:10:51 -0400 I took a look at the short interest report at DGO tonight, as of Apr 15, it totaled 1,091,863 shares short. That's a lot on this size float. Next report will be as of May 15, and likely reported around May 22. Will be interesting to see if it changed. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:43 PM Tom: Nice observation on the short squeeze; I hadn't even noticed that shorts made up approx. 10% of the stocks float. When I read the post I looked at RLRN in Tuesday's sponsorship ratings. Last Tues. it was rated an "E". In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:15:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Personally, I think today was a short squeeze. With a short position of over 1 million shares, and a float of 9.9 million shares, that would explain today's 6+X ADV and price spike. Stock has been up now 7 straight days, so be prepared to give a little back, but hopefully not below the 36.5 to 37 level. I can't disagree with getting in a little early. The base that was forming was tight. I have the same problem of waiting for the b/o to buy, due time limitations at work. But the CS elements look good, except for the cash flow. Tom Worley >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shen, Eric" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 03 May 2001 16:22:34 -0700 Dividends are taxed twice - both at the corporate level and at the individual level. It's commonly referred to as "double taxation" http://www.ncpa.org/pi/taxes/double.html http://www.yk.psu.edu/~dxl31/econ4/lecture2.html (look under Business Firms) -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:06 PM Hi Jans, I am not an accountant, but maybe we have one in the group who can jump in here. My understanding of cash flow is that it is EBITDA (Earnings Before Income Tax Depreciation Amortization). This sometimes is also called gross profit, but is not the same. My understanding of EBITDA is that it is the gross revenues, minus virtually all expenses other than the three mentioned above. So cash flow measured this way can be affected by a lot of things, including significant changes in R&D expenses, other major capital expenses, a lot of new hiring, layoffs with associated severance packages, launching a new product line with heavy marketing expenses, etc. While dividends are not deductible from the corp taxes, I do believe they are deducted ahead of EBITDA, thus they serve to reduce taxable income. That is why they are taxable income to the recipient. At least that's my logic, altho I seem to recall someone trying to convince me they are taxed at both the corp and the recipient level. The only way I know to understand changes in cash flow is to compare the 10Qs and the 10K, and see where changes are occurring out of proportion to the change in gross revenue. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:27 PM Tom: One reason, I believe, cash-flow will drop is when there is an increase in dividends. Companies must pay taxes on their earnings, and dividends cannot be deducted from the taxes (ie. it is a discretionary payment that the company must pay out of earnings). Can you think of any other reason why earnings increase, but cash-flow comes in as less than earnings? The only other reason I can think of is because the company is paying its debts (or what if foresees as debts) ahead of time. jans jans In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << ...Also, cash flow is slightly lower than last year's earnings.... >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TRR Date: 03 May 2001 19:22:32 -0400 Doug, I agree, a nice looking CS stock. Eight sequential qtrs of not just growth, but consistent growth, in both earnings and revenues. What you see as a cup, I see as a "V" bottom, which are more prone to failure, as you found out. What disturbs me about the V bottom is that the "capitulation" selling day was only 3X ADV. But then, the volume on the right side was below ADV until it was back even with the left side. You had a heavy day of selling on 4/17, but the price remained steady. May have been one institution crossing a block to another. But on 4/19, you again had heavy selling, this time with a 10% price drop. This would concern me. Today's heavy volume without price gain suggests to me institutional activity again. Funds are reported holding only 7%, but I haven't checked the venture capitalists. Bottom line, I would probably keep a tight trailing stop, but not sell any for now. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:03 PM TRR has tried yesterday and today to break past 52 week high of 33 bucks. Today vol was 4x ADV but still couldnt do it. Looks like an excellent CANSLIM stock. The C&H, if you agree to call it that, has'nt been the smoothest. Tomorrow should be interesting. I bought in early couple weeks ago and weathered a brutal shakeout. Now I'd like to be rewarded with a breakout. Maybe I should make a sacrifice and sell half my shares?? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 03 May 2001 19:38:58 -0400 Tim, After reading this article on why the stock tanked on incorrect info, do you step back in? From the chart, it looks to me like a lazy LLUR, but the spike down clearly broke the pattern. Does this count when it is broken on bad information, then doesn't immediately recover the lost ground when the error is corrected? How do you call this one now, with the new information? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:15 PM http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7079926&tid=h ov&sid=7079926&mid=739 >From: "Tim Fisher" >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts >Date: 2 May 2001 08:34:28 -0700 > >HOV dumped me this AM. At least I had a profit! Looks like a complete >meltdown. > > At 08:33 PM 5/1/2001 -0600, you wrote: >>First, I have had a couple of people respond to my Clearstation "sell" >>notifications here. For those who didn't know, my original message wasn't >>posted here, and it basically said I was dumped out of several stocks. >> >>Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... >> >> >>Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, 2 other stocks, and >>added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. At that point, 4 of 5 >>stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe this rally would be >>different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day later, and I've been >>stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of my funds (more or >>less). >> I got burned 2-fold. >> >>I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down strongly on Monday and Tuesday. >>One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then plummeted. In the end, I >>took >>losses on all three as they hit my stops. Overall, I'm very surprised to >>see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has 5-10 potential CANSLIM >>breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is this something that >>happens >>to the top group very often? Have others witnessed this kind of meltdown >>very often? >> >>My other position was PPDI. It had moved up nicely late last week, and >>then seemed to be resting a bit just above the pivot. It looked ready to >>move higher, especially with its group moving up rapidly, so I gave it a >>shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as soon as I saw the drop >>(about 10%). After looking closer, I found that the stock had moved up on >>the earnings annoucement last week, but there was a VERY UNUSUAL dividend >>announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, everyone who owned the >>stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share in a few weeks. At >>that >>point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their holdings at a new high, >>and still have the same amount of stock in 3 weeks. Given this, there >>seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the stock. I mean, the value of >>last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect HUGE downward pressure on >>the stock over the next few weeks, and today was an example. This is >>clearly my fault for not reading the news before buying, but has anyone >>seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely that the stock price >>would >>hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual to me. >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 03 May 2001 19:36:13 -0400 Thanks, Eric, never having done corp taxes I knew I was fuzzy on the issue. Still, doesn't seem fair for Uncle Sam to take a slice of the pie twice. Maybe Bush can be petitioned for tax relief for one of us, preferably the corps. Then they would have more profits to pay out, or better EPS, and smaller companies would have an added incentive to start a dividend program when earnings are good and expected to get better (one of my more successful signals to plunge into a smaller company is when they initiate a dividend). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:22 PM Dividends are taxed twice - both at the corporate level and at the individual level. It's commonly referred to as "double taxation" http://www.ncpa.org/pi/taxes/double.html http://www.yk.psu.edu/~dxl31/econ4/lecture2.html (look under Business Firms) -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:06 PM Hi Jans, I am not an accountant, but maybe we have one in the group who can jump in here. My understanding of cash flow is that it is EBITDA (Earnings Before Income Tax Depreciation Amortization). This sometimes is also called gross profit, but is not the same. My understanding of EBITDA is that it is the gross revenues, minus virtually all expenses other than the three mentioned above. So cash flow measured this way can be affected by a lot of things, including significant changes in R&D expenses, other major capital expenses, a lot of new hiring, layoffs with associated severance packages, launching a new product line with heavy marketing expenses, etc. While dividends are not deductible from the corp taxes, I do believe they are deducted ahead of EBITDA, thus they serve to reduce taxable income. That is why they are taxable income to the recipient. At least that's my logic, altho I seem to recall someone trying to convince me they are taxed at both the corp and the recipient level. The only way I know to understand changes in cash flow is to compare the 10Qs and the 10K, and see where changes are occurring out of proportion to the change in gross revenue. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:27 PM Tom: One reason, I believe, cash-flow will drop is when there is an increase in dividends. Companies must pay taxes on their earnings, and dividends cannot be deducted from the taxes (ie. it is a discretionary payment that the company must pay out of earnings). Can you think of any other reason why earnings increase, but cash-flow comes in as less than earnings? The only other reason I can think of is because the company is paying its debts (or what if foresees as debts) ahead of time. jans jans In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << ...Also, cash flow is slightly lower than last year's earnings.... >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 03 May 2001 18:11:16 -0600 I would say there are 3 possible explanations. Accounting, accounting, and accounting. (I pause to remember the "Dilbert" where the main character was required to check his "ethics" before entering the accounting department!) There are numerous ways the company accountants can impact the earnings numbers for a quarter, both up and down. It isn't unusual for a company with a particularly strong quarter to "delay" recognizing some of that revenue to the next quarter. This gives the impression of 2 strong quarters, that may, in fact, be totally wrong. Many investors feel that cash flow is a much harder number to influence, and therefore is more indicative of actual performance for a quarter than earnings. Companies that consistently show earnings well above cash flow are questionable in my opinion. At 02:27 PM 5/3/01 EDT, you wrote: >Tom: > > One reason, I believe, cash-flow will drop is when there is an increase >in dividends. Companies must pay taxes on their earnings, and dividends >cannot be deducted from the taxes (ie. it is a discretionary payment that the >company must pay out of earnings). > > Can you think of any other reason why earnings increase, but cash-flow >comes in as less than earnings? The only other reason I can think of is >because the company is paying its debts (or what if foresees as debts) ahead >of time. > >jans > > > >jans > > >In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >stkguru@netside.net writes: > ><< ...Also, cash > flow is slightly lower than last year's earnings.... >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 03 May 2001 20:09:25 -0400 One correction here, I knew my translation of EBITDA didn't sound right, but didn't spot it till it was sent. The "I" in EBITDA is for Interest, not Income (tax). So it is Earnings Before Interest Taxes Depreciation Amortization. All other corporate expenses would have already reduced the gross revenues, other than these four debit items. I told you I was not an accountant, in fact I hate the subject! When my wife took it for two years in college, she gave up on me helping her, because I always had to do it standing on my head and reading it in a mirror. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:36 PM Thanks, Eric, never having done corp taxes I knew I was fuzzy on the issue. Still, doesn't seem fair for Uncle Sam to take a slice of the pie twice. Maybe Bush can be petitioned for tax relief for one of us, preferably the corps. Then they would have more profits to pay out, or better EPS, and smaller companies would have an added incentive to start a dividend program when earnings are good and expected to get better (one of my more successful signals to plunge into a smaller company is when they initiate a dividend). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:22 PM Dividends are taxed twice - both at the corporate level and at the individual level. It's commonly referred to as "double taxation" http://www.ncpa.org/pi/taxes/double.html http://www.yk.psu.edu/~dxl31/econ4/lecture2.html (look under Business Firms) -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:06 PM Hi Jans, I am not an accountant, but maybe we have one in the group who can jump in here. My understanding of cash flow is that it is EBITDA (Earnings Before Income Tax Depreciation Amortization). This sometimes is also called gross profit, but is not the same. My understanding of EBITDA is that it is the gross revenues, minus virtually all expenses other than the three mentioned above. So cash flow measured this way can be affected by a lot of things, including significant changes in R&D expenses, other major capital expenses, a lot of new hiring, layoffs with associated severance packages, launching a new product line with heavy marketing expenses, etc. While dividends are not deductible from the corp taxes, I do believe they are deducted ahead of EBITDA, thus they serve to reduce taxable income. That is why they are taxable income to the recipient. At least that's my logic, altho I seem to recall someone trying to convince me they are taxed at both the corp and the recipient level. The only way I know to understand changes in cash flow is to compare the 10Qs and the 10K, and see where changes are occurring out of proportion to the change in gross revenue. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:27 PM Tom: One reason, I believe, cash-flow will drop is when there is an increase in dividends. Companies must pay taxes on their earnings, and dividends cannot be deducted from the taxes (ie. it is a discretionary payment that the company must pay out of earnings). Can you think of any other reason why earnings increase, but cash-flow comes in as less than earnings? The only other reason I can think of is because the company is paying its debts (or what if foresees as debts) ahead of time. jans jans In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << ...Also, cash flow is slightly lower than last year's earnings.... >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CHIC Date: 03 May 2001 18:14:00 -0600 After 5 consecutive up days starting with a strong move up, I feel today was a justified break to take a rest and move with the market. The stock traded quite a bit lower during the day, but finished mid-range. I'm not concerned about today's action, but I would be if the stock moved 2 or 3% lower over the next few days. For now, I'm okay to sit on it and wait for better days. At 02:27 PM 5/3/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, > >what is group's opinion on CHIC? I do not like today's behaviour - it >seems to me it is ready to go down. > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Investors Corner today. Date: 03 May 2001 18:15:29 -0600 I think this is only a consideration when the stock breaks out. I don't generally look at it at all until I'm considering a buy, and even then, it can be difficult to judge where the RS will be after the strong day! At 11:58 AM 5/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >I guess we should start indicating whether thr RS line >is at a new high when listing the numbers? > >Kent Norman > >--- Bill Triffet wrote: >> With some failed breakouts, as usual IBD reads this >> group (I'm sure of that >> now). Today's Investors Corner is about breakouts >> that can succeed after a >> false start. >> >> Interesting to note: at the time of the b/o the RS >> line should be at a new >> high... something I have been failing to notice (not >> any more though). My >> only problem with this is how does this work with >> stocks that are not at all >> time highs that are now forming new bases after >> falling so much last year? I >> can't see the RS line hitting any new highs soon. >> I don't have any specific issues at this time to >> list but as the days go by >> and more bases are formed by the techs, I feel this >> will be the situation >> we'll be in. Any thoughts? >> >> -Bill Triffet >> >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >email. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 03 May 2001 18:23:40 -0600 Really, double taxation? What a shame. Think about driving your car. 1 - You earn some money, pay income tax. 2 - You buy the car, pay sales tax. 3 - You fill it up, pay gasoline tax. 4 - Generally, you pay property tax each year for owning it. Hmm, I consider double or more taxation business as usual!! At 07:36 PM 5/3/01 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks, Eric, never having done corp taxes I knew I was fuzzy on >the issue. Still, doesn't seem fair for Uncle Sam to take a slice >of the pie twice. Maybe Bush can be petitioned for tax relief for >one of us, preferably the corps. Then they would have more >profits to pay out, or better EPS, and smaller companies would >have an added incentive to start a dividend program when earnings >are good and expected to get better (one of my more successful >signals to plunge into a smaller company is when they initiate a >dividend). > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Shen, Eric >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:22 PM >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SERO > > > >Dividends are taxed twice - both at the corporate level and at >the >individual level. It's commonly referred to as "double taxation" > >http://www.ncpa.org/pi/taxes/double.html >http://www.yk.psu.edu/~dxl31/econ4/lecture2.html (look under >Business Firms) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:06 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO > > >Hi Jans, > >I am not an accountant, but maybe we have one in the group who >can jump in here. > >My understanding of cash flow is that it is EBITDA (Earnings >Before Income Tax Depreciation Amortization). This sometimes is >also called gross profit, but is not the same. > >My understanding of EBITDA is that it is the gross revenues, >minus virtually all expenses other than the three mentioned >above. So cash flow measured this way can be affected by a lot of >things, including significant changes in R&D expenses, other >major capital expenses, a lot of new hiring, layoffs with >associated severance packages, launching a new product line with >heavy marketing expenses, etc. > >While dividends are not deductible from the corp taxes, I do >believe they are deducted ahead of EBITDA, thus they serve to >reduce taxable income. That is why they are taxable income to the >recipient. At least that's my logic, altho I seem to recall >someone trying to convince me they are taxed at both the corp and >the recipient level. > >The only way I know to understand changes in cash flow is to >compare the 10Qs and the 10K, and see where changes are occurring >out of proportion to the change in gross revenue. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:27 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO > > >Tom: > > One reason, I believe, cash-flow will drop is when there is >an increase >in dividends. Companies must pay taxes on their earnings, and >dividends >cannot be deducted from the taxes (ie. it is a discretionary >payment that the >company must pay out of earnings). > > Can you think of any other reason why earnings increase, but >cash-flow >comes in as less than earnings? The only other reason I can >think of is >because the company is paying its debts (or what if foresees as >debts) ahead >of time. > >jans > > > >jans > > >In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >stkguru@netside.net writes: > ><< ...Also, cash > flow is slightly lower than last year's earnings.... >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CHIC Date: 03 May 2001 21:00:25 -0400 Anna, I am inclined to agree with Earl. My initial impression after reading your email and looking at the chart was to say, "come on, give the stock a break, it's had five days up from 30, it's entitled to give a little sacrifice to the stock gods". Earl's comments just strengthen that sense. Up/down ratio is still a very healthy 2.1, I would try to watch it closely, but give it some room to roam. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:14 PM After 5 consecutive up days starting with a strong move up, I feel today was a justified break to take a rest and move with the market. The stock traded quite a bit lower during the day, but finished mid-range. I'm not concerned about today's action, but I would be if the stock moved 2 or 3% lower over the next few days. For now, I'm okay to sit on it and wait for better days. At 02:27 PM 5/3/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, > >what is group's opinion on CHIC? I do not like today's behaviour - it >seems to me it is ready to go down. > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 03 May 2001 21:03:51 -0400 :You have a point, Earl, but with the examples there is at least some form of "value added" benefit, or a change in product. Taxing the corps on their profits, then taxing us again on their sharing of those profits, has not added any further benefit, or changed the product at all. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:23 PM Really, double taxation? What a shame. Think about driving your car. 1 - You earn some money, pay income tax. 2 - You buy the car, pay sales tax. 3 - You fill it up, pay gasoline tax. 4 - Generally, you pay property tax each year for owning it. Hmm, I consider double or more taxation business as usual!! At 07:36 PM 5/3/01 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks, Eric, never having done corp taxes I knew I was fuzzy on >the issue. Still, doesn't seem fair for Uncle Sam to take a slice >of the pie twice. Maybe Bush can be petitioned for tax relief for >one of us, preferably the corps. Then they would have more >profits to pay out, or better EPS, and smaller companies would >have an added incentive to start a dividend program when earnings >are good and expected to get better (one of my more successful >signals to plunge into a smaller company is when they initiate a >dividend). > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Shen, Eric >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:22 PM >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SERO > > > >Dividends are taxed twice - both at the corporate level and at >the >individual level. It's commonly referred to as "double taxation" > >http://www.ncpa.org/pi/taxes/double.html >http://www.yk.psu.edu/~dxl31/econ4/lecture2.html (look under >Business Firms) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:06 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO > > >Hi Jans, > >I am not an accountant, but maybe we have one in the group who >can jump in here. > >My understanding of cash flow is that it is EBITDA (Earnings >Before Income Tax Depreciation Amortization). This sometimes is >also called gross profit, but is not the same. > >My understanding of EBITDA is that it is the gross revenues, >minus virtually all expenses other than the three mentioned >above. So cash flow measured this way can be affected by a lot of >things, including significant changes in R&D expenses, other >major capital expenses, a lot of new hiring, layoffs with >associated severance packages, launching a new product line with >heavy marketing expenses, etc. > >While dividends are not deductible from the corp taxes, I do >believe they are deducted ahead of EBITDA, thus they serve to >reduce taxable income. That is why they are taxable income to the >recipient. At least that's my logic, altho I seem to recall >someone trying to convince me they are taxed at both the corp and >the recipient level. > >The only way I know to understand changes in cash flow is to >compare the 10Qs and the 10K, and see where changes are occurring >out of proportion to the change in gross revenue. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:27 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO > > >Tom: > > One reason, I believe, cash-flow will drop is when there is >an increase >in dividends. Companies must pay taxes on their earnings, and >dividends >cannot be deducted from the taxes (ie. it is a discretionary >payment that the >company must pay out of earnings). > > Can you think of any other reason why earnings increase, but >cash-flow >comes in as less than earnings? The only other reason I can >think of is >because the company is paying its debts (or what if foresees as >debts) ahead >of time. > >jans > > > >jans > > >In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:04:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >stkguru@netside.net writes: > ><< ...Also, cash > flow is slightly lower than last year's earnings.... >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 03 May 2001 21:14:19 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C0D416.04BC6B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone picks up any rumors or information to account for EPIQ's spike = today, I would appreciate hearing about it. I saw it down about half a = buck in the morning, then recovering to a buck plus later in the day. = But didn't realize until late this evening this puppy spiked on volume = in the last half hour. From what I have researched so far, looks like a = block buy may have gone thru around 3:30 PM, taking out all the offers. = Some further volume followed after that, including a further new high in = the aftermarket on a small trade of 300 shares. But I find no news to account for a 15% spike in price on slightly more = than ADV, on a down day for Naz. Any info or opinions welcomed, but I'm really looking for an excuse to = sell that I can live with, I really want to make the right (smart) = decisions on my remaining holding. I wish the other stocks I own, and = want to sell, would be so well motivated! Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C0D416.04BC6B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If anyone picks up any rumors or information to = account for=20 EPIQ's spike today, I would appreciate hearing about it. I saw it down = about=20 half a buck in the morning, then recovering to a buck plus later in the = day. But=20 didn't realize until late this evening this puppy spiked on volume in = the last=20 half hour. From what I have researched so far, looks like a block buy = may have=20 gone thru around 3:30 PM, taking out all the offers. Some further volume = followed after that, including a further new high in the aftermarket on = a small=20 trade of 300 shares.
 
But I find no news to account for a 15% spike in = price on=20 slightly more than ADV, on a down day for Naz.
 
Any info or opinions welcomed, but I'm really = looking for an=20 excuse to sell that I can live with, I really want to make the right = (smart)=20 decisions on my remaining holding. I wish the other stocks I own, and = want to=20 sell, would be so well motivated!
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0114_01C0D416.04BC6B40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TRR Date: 03 May 2001 19:26:15 -0600 Thanks for your input Tom. Yea I agree it's a V bottom. And I agree that the vol on the way down on the left side of the cup vs the vol on the right side was reverse of what would be desirable. I tended to rationalize, or downplay, the significance of this when noticing the 300% gain over the past 52 weeks and also at the fact that the ADV is only 70K and the float is only 5.5mil. I looked at a 5 year chart and found that for three years from middle of 96 to middle of 99 it was a 3 to 5 dollar stock. Then over a six month period to Dec 2000 it doubled to 10. Over the past 52 weeks its increased 300%. This is the first real breather it's taken since a six month period in spring of 2000 where it based around 10 bucks before climbing up to 30. So it looks like whoever has been in since 5 or 10 bucks is just cashing out some of their shares. It could be they're worried that the 66% est. increase for 01 annual earnings and the 50% est increase for 02 is a slowdown in earnings compared to the 100%+ increases over the past three years. And maybe there's only one or two MM's for this stock and they are taking advantage of the opportunity. That is what I thought was happening on 04/19 thru 04/21 and is the reason I didn't bail. I would like to find out what institutions were selling. I think you mentioned a site once that tracks institutional activity. Could you refresh my memory of where I could find it? At 07:22 PM 5/3/01 -0400, you wrote: >Doug, I agree, a nice looking CS stock. Eight sequential qtrs of >not just growth, but consistent growth, in both earnings and >revenues. What you see as a cup, I see as a "V" bottom, which are >more prone to failure, as you found out. What disturbs me about >the V bottom is that the "capitulation" selling day was only 3X >ADV. But then, the volume on the right side was below ADV until >it was back even with the left side. > >You had a heavy day of selling on 4/17, but the price remained >steady. May have been one institution crossing a block to >another. But on 4/19, you again had heavy selling, this time >with a 10% price drop. This would concern me. > >Today's heavy volume without price gain suggests to me >institutional activity again. Funds are reported holding only 7%, >but I haven't checked the venture capitalists. > >Bottom line, I would probably keep a tight trailing stop, but not >sell any for now. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: DougC >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:03 PM >Subject: [CANSLIM] TRR > > >TRR has tried yesterday and today to break past 52 week high of >33 bucks. >Today vol was 4x ADV but still couldnt do it. Looks like an >excellent >CANSLIM stock. The C&H, if you agree to call it that, has'nt been >the >smoothest. Tomorrow should be interesting. I bought in early >couple weeks >ago and weathered a brutal shakeout. Now I'd like to be rewarded >with a >breakout. Maybe I should make a sacrifice and sell half my >shares?? > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TRR Date: 03 May 2001 21:39:23 -0400 Good example of why I tend to only look at charts back no more than one year, anything longer just confuses me. I think you are referring to www.companysleuth.com which is about to go subscription only for full service. I will likely pay the fee (they haven't said yet how much it will be). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 9:26 PM Thanks for your input Tom. Yea I agree it's a V bottom. And I agree that the vol on the way down on the left side of the cup vs the vol on the right side was reverse of what would be desirable. I tended to rationalize, or downplay, the significance of this when noticing the 300% gain over the past 52 weeks and also at the fact that the ADV is only 70K and the float is only 5.5mil. I looked at a 5 year chart and found that for three years from middle of 96 to middle of 99 it was a 3 to 5 dollar stock. Then over a six month period to Dec 2000 it doubled to 10. Over the past 52 weeks its increased 300%. This is the first real breather it's taken since a six month period in spring of 2000 where it based around 10 bucks before climbing up to 30. So it looks like whoever has been in since 5 or 10 bucks is just cashing out some of their shares. It could be they're worried that the 66% est. increase for 01 annual earnings and the 50% est increase for 02 is a slowdown in earnings compared to the 100%+ increases over the past three years. And maybe there's only one or two MM's for this stock and they are taking advantage of the opportunity. That is what I thought was happening on 04/19 thru 04/21 and is the reason I didn't bail. I would like to find out what institutions were selling. I think you mentioned a site once that tracks institutional activity. Could you refresh my memory of where I could find it? At 07:22 PM 5/3/01 -0400, you wrote: >Doug, I agree, a nice looking CS stock. Eight sequential qtrs of >not just growth, but consistent growth, in both earnings and >revenues. What you see as a cup, I see as a "V" bottom, which are >more prone to failure, as you found out. What disturbs me about >the V bottom is that the "capitulation" selling day was only 3X >ADV. But then, the volume on the right side was below ADV until >it was back even with the left side. > >You had a heavy day of selling on 4/17, but the price remained >steady. May have been one institution crossing a block to >another. But on 4/19, you again had heavy selling, this time >with a 10% price drop. This would concern me. > >Today's heavy volume without price gain suggests to me >institutional activity again. Funds are reported holding only 7%, >but I haven't checked the venture capitalists. > >Bottom line, I would probably keep a tight trailing stop, but not >sell any for now. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: DougC >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:03 PM >Subject: [CANSLIM] TRR > > >TRR has tried yesterday and today to break past 52 week high of >33 bucks. >Today vol was 4x ADV but still couldnt do it. Looks like an >excellent >CANSLIM stock. The C&H, if you agree to call it that, has'nt been >the >smoothest. Tomorrow should be interesting. I bought in early >couple weeks >ago and weathered a brutal shakeout. Now I'd like to be rewarded >with a >breakout. Maybe I should make a sacrifice and sell half my >shares?? > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 03 May 2001 19:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Tom I am sure you have intra day capabilities, but just in case you don't...http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=EPIQ&d=c&k=c4&t=1d Doesn't look like a single block to me. Perhaps I don't know how to read it. As for the excuse to sell, you already have the reason NOT to. If you cant find a rational reason after going through all your check list, the answer is obvious my dear Watson... Enjoy the profit Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > If anyone picks up any rumors or information to > account for EPIQ's spike today, I would appreciate > hearing about it. I saw it down about half a buck in > the morning, then recovering to a buck plus later in > the day. But didn't realize until late this evening > this puppy spiked on volume in the last half hour. > From what I have researched so far, looks like a > block buy may have gone thru around 3:30 PM, taking > out all the offers. Some further volume followed > after that, including a further new high in the > aftermarket on a small trade of 300 shares. > > But I find no news to account for a 15% spike in > price on slightly more than ADV, on a down day for > Naz. > > Any info or opinions welcomed, but I'm really > looking for an excuse to sell that I can live with, > I really want to make the right (smart) decisions on > my remaining holding. I wish the other stocks I own, > and want to sell, would be so well motivated! > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CHIC Date: 03 May 2001 19:54:50 -0700 Resistance was around 31+; it might pull back a bit to that region and be support. The internals look a bit extended and may pull back. It does not look that weak to me. Depending where I got in, I would probably stay with it to the 50ema which is about 28.68 now and in a few days will be about 29-30. Dan asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > Hi, > > what is group's opinion on CHIC? I do not like today's behaviour - it > seems to me it is ready to go down. > > Anna > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Subject: [CANSLIM] Acc/Dis Numbers Date: 03 May 2001 22:53:37 -0400 Here are the latest Acc/Dis Numbers: Date A B C D E AB/A:E %E Market Posture 4/16/01 543 2036 1260 1120 502 47% 9% Market in correction 4/17/01 554 2081 1270 1102 481 48% 9% Market in correction 4/18/01 575 2052 1287 1094 484 48% 9% Market in correction 4/19/01 606 2097 1259 1078 461 49% 8% Market in correction 4/20/01 693 2376 1245 717 312 57% 6% Market in correction 4/23/01 713 2437 1221 906 281 57% 5% Market in correction 4/24/01 713 2412 1234 907 297 56% 5% Market in correction 4/25/01 695 2359 1249 929 313 55% 6% Market in correction 4/26/01 701 2370 1261 909 306 55% 6% Market in correction 4/27/01 761 2411 1222 871 298 57% 5% Market in correction 4/30/01 823 2426 1207 825 284 58% 5% Market in correction 5/1/01 853 2487 1196 777 270 60% 5% Market in correction Spread sheet version Date,A,B,C,D,E,AB/A:E,%E,Market Posture 4/16/01,543,2036,1260,1120,502,47%,9%,Market in correction 4/17/01,554,2081,1270,1102,481,48%,9%,Market in correction 4/18/01,575,2052,1287,1094,484,48%,9%,Market in correction 4/19/01,606,2097,1259,1078,461,49%,8%,Market in correction 4/20/01,693,2376,1245,717,312,57%,6%,Market in correction 4/23/01,713,2437,1221,906,281,57%,5%,Market in correction 4/24/01,713,2412,1234,907,297,56%,5%,Market in correction 4/25/01,695,2359,1249,929,313,55%,6%,Market in correction 4/26/01,701,2370,1261,909,306,55%,6%,Market in correction 4/27/01,761,2411,1222,871,298,57%,5%,Market in correction 4/30/01,823,2426,1207,825,284,58%,5%,Market in correction 5/1/01,853,2487,1196,777,270,60%,5%,Market in correction Robert - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 03 May 2001 19:56:36 -0700 (PDT) And you pay tax to use the road. Kent --- esetser wrote: > Really, double taxation? What a shame. Think > about driving your car. > > 1 - You earn some money, pay income tax. > 2 - You buy the car, pay sales tax. > 3 - You fill it up, pay gasoline tax. > 4 - Generally, you pay property tax each year for > owning it. > > Hmm, I consider double or more taxation business as > usual!! > > > > > At 07:36 PM 5/3/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Thanks, Eric, never having done corp taxes I knew I > was fuzzy on > >the issue. Still, doesn't seem fair for Uncle Sam > to take a slice > >of the pie twice. Maybe Bush can be petitioned for > tax relief for > >one of us, preferably the corps. Then they would > have more > >profits to pay out, or better EPS, and smaller > companies would > >have an added incentive to start a dividend program > when earnings > >are good and expected to get better (one of my more > successful > >signals to plunge into a smaller company is when > they initiate a > >dividend). > > > >Tom Worley > >stkguru@netside.net > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Shen, Eric > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 7:22 PM > >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SERO > > > > > > > >Dividends are taxed twice - both at the corporate > level and at > >the > >individual level. It's commonly referred to as > "double taxation" > > > >http://www.ncpa.org/pi/taxes/double.html > >http://www.yk.psu.edu/~dxl31/econ4/lecture2.html > (look under > >Business Firms) > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] > >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 4:06 PM > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO > > > > > >Hi Jans, > > > >I am not an accountant, but maybe we have one in > the group who > >can jump in here. > > > >My understanding of cash flow is that it is EBITDA > (Earnings > >Before Income Tax Depreciation Amortization). This > sometimes is > >also called gross profit, but is not the same. > > > >My understanding of EBITDA is that it is the gross > revenues, > >minus virtually all expenses other than the three > mentioned > >above. So cash flow measured this way can be > affected by a lot of > >things, including significant changes in R&D > expenses, other > >major capital expenses, a lot of new hiring, > layoffs with > >associated severance packages, launching a new > product line with > >heavy marketing expenses, etc. > > > >While dividends are not deductible from the corp > taxes, I do > >believe they are deducted ahead of EBITDA, thus > they serve to > >reduce taxable income. That is why they are taxable > income to the > >recipient. At least that's my logic, altho I seem > to recall > >someone trying to convince me they are taxed at > both the corp and > >the recipient level. > > > >The only way I know to understand changes in cash > flow is to > >compare the 10Qs and the 10K, and see where changes > are occurring > >out of proportion to the change in gross revenue. > > > >Tom Worley > >stkguru@netside.net > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 2:27 PM > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO > > > > > >Tom: > > > > One reason, I believe, cash-flow will drop is > when there is > >an increase > >in dividends. Companies must pay taxes on their > earnings, and > >dividends > >cannot be deducted from the taxes (ie. it is a > discretionary > >payment that the > >company must pay out of earnings). > > > > Can you think of any other reason why earnings > increase, but > >cash-flow > >comes in as less than earnings? The only other > reason I can > >think of is > >because the company is paying its debts (or what if > foresees as > >debts) ahead > >of time. > > > >jans > > > > > > > >jans > > > > > >In a message dated 5/2/2001 11:04:43 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > >stkguru@netside.net writes: > > > ><< ...Also, cash > > flow is slightly lower than last year's > earnings.... >> > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". 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OBV is very much weaker now than on 3-8 and 4-10, which indicates liquidation in my view. Dan DougC wrote: > TRR has tried yesterday and today to break past 52 week high of 33 bucks. > Today vol was 4x ADV but still couldnt do it. Looks like an excellent > CANSLIM stock. The C&H, if you agree to call it that, has'nt been the > smoothest. Tomorrow should be interesting. I bought in early couple weeks > ago and weathered a brutal shakeout. Now I'd like to be rewarded with a > breakout. Maybe I should make a sacrifice and sell half my shares?? > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: [CANSLIM] ACF Date: 03 May 2001 22:05:17 -0600 I was looking at ACF tonight (one of my holdings), and it looks like it is forming a flag, possibly HTF. I'm not very experienced in this formation, comments and suggestions? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 03 May 2001 21:19:35 -0700 Reasons to sell? Well if one digs deep enough one could use HTMMIS selling rule #29, "In a few cases you should sell if a stock hits its upper channel line...Stocks surging above their upper channel lines should normally be sold". Or #34, "Some stocks can be sold when they are 70% to 100% above their 200-day moving average price line". Not sure if it really violates #29 though. I wish I had such a tough decision. (g) Any way you look at it Tom, you've had a nice ride so far. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:14 PM If anyone picks up any rumors or information to account for EPIQ's spike today, I would appreciate hearing about it. I saw it down about half a buck in the morning, then recovering to a buck plus later in the day. But didn't realize until late this evening this puppy spiked on volume in the last half hour. From what I have researched so far, looks like a block buy may have gone thru around 3:30 PM, taking out all the offers. Some further volume followed after that, including a further new high in the aftermarket on a small trade of 300 shares. But I find no news to account for a 15% spike in price on slightly more than ADV, on a down day for Naz. Any info or opinions welcomed, but I'm really looking for an excuse to sell that I can live with, I really want to make the right (smart) decisions on my remaining holding. I wish the other stocks I own, and want to sell, would be so well motivated! Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TRR Date: 03 May 2001 22:41:20 -0600 Thanks for feedback Dan. I've only recently been made aware of OBV. I looked at the chart of TRR with OBV below it and see it trending up from an extreme low on Apr. 23. I've read that the best way to make use of OBV or any of the other indicators is to look for divergences. I admit my eye is untrained for this but I don't see a divergence. Nevertheless I'm going to keep a close watch on TRR tomorrow. At 08:09 PM 5/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >If it does break above 33.25, to me, it looks prone to failure. OBV is very >much weaker now than on 3-8 and 4-10, which indicates liquidation in my view. > >Dan > >DougC wrote: > > > TRR has tried yesterday and today to break past 52 week high of 33 bucks. > > Today vol was 4x ADV but still couldnt do it. Looks like an excellent > > CANSLIM stock. The C&H, if you agree to call it that, has'nt been the > > smoothest. Tomorrow should be interesting. I bought in early couple weeks > > ago and weathered a brutal shakeout. Now I'd like to be rewarded with a > > breakout. Maybe I should make a sacrifice and sell half my shares?? > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ACF Date: 03 May 2001 23:11:34 -0600 IMHO ACF is not in a HTF setup. It's my understanding that that is ascribed to runups of 100% or more in a very short time; like two or three weeks. I'm assuming that the definition of HTF uses a starting point of the pivot point of the initial breakout, which in this case I'm assuming is 37 or so. But if ACF could settle at 45 for another three weeks or so I think that would be a good base for further price appreciation. It's about 30% above 50dma and 50% above 200dma. Doesn't seem it can go much further without some consolidation. It has excellent numbers and ratings. At 10:05 PM 5/3/01 -0600, you wrote: >I was looking at ACF tonight (one of my holdings), and it looks like it is >forming a flag, possibly HTF. I'm not very experienced in this formation, >comments and suggestions? > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Lucero" Subject: [CANSLIM] accounting Date: 03 May 2001 22:50:17 -0700 I just found out from Schwab that they'll send a quarterly and annual report listing your profits/losses for any stocks you bought and sold (both) through them. This should save a lot of time on taxes. (I still haven't done mine.) BTW, I called them to enter trades after hours because most NYSE stocks were giving me huge bid-ask ranges (.01-twice the closing price) and I couldn't enter them via the web. In my opinion, for quite a while they've had problems with the bid-ask ranges they show via the web that keeps you from entering what should be valid buy or sell stops. Is anyone having a good experience with a different broker? Mike - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ACF Date: 04 May 2001 00:05:37 -0600 Exactly how I see it. You could also call today (I think, didn't check each day) an NR7 day, which means the narrowest range of the last 7 days. These quiet periods tend to lead to price expansion. If you are bullish on the stock, you would buy a breakout of the stock above the Thursday high. Coincidentally, I was at The Hard Right Edge (Swing Trading) site tonight and he lists ACF as one of his setups . http://www.hardrightedge.com/trader.htm On 3 May 01, at 22:05, esetser wrote: > I was looking at ACF tonight (one of my holdings), and it looks like it is > forming a flag, possibly HTF. I'm not very experienced in this formation, > comments and suggestions? > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TRR Date: 03 May 2001 23:07:51 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7697EDF4BAEFBF604C72DCAF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, You can see it in the attached. Dan DougC wrote: > Thanks for feedback Dan. I've only recently been made aware of OBV. I > looked at the chart of TRR with OBV below it and see it trending up from an > extreme low on Apr. 23. I've read that the best way to make use of OBV or > any of the other indicators is to look for divergences. I admit my eye is > untrained for this but I don't see a divergence. Nevertheless I'm going to > keep a close watch on TRR tomorrow. > > At 08:09 PM 5/3/01 -0700, you wrote: > >If it does break above 33.25, to me, it looks prone to failure. OBV is very > >much weaker now than on 3-8 and 4-10, which indicates liquidation in my view. > > > >Dan > > > >DougC wrote: > > > > > TRR has tried yesterday and today to break past 52 week high of 33 bucks. > > > Today vol was 4x ADV but still couldnt do it. Looks like an excellent > > > CANSLIM stock. The C&H, if you agree to call it that, has'nt been the > > > smoothest. Tomorrow should be interesting. I bought in early couple weeks > > > ago and weathered a brutal shakeout. Now I'd like to be rewarded with a > > > breakout. Maybe I should make a sacrifice and sell half my shares?? > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 03 May 2001 23:44:50 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0FF61656C4FB0543146195EF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom,

Attached is an one minute chart for the last part of the trading day showing the volume bar.

MACD and Histogram turned back up as did stoch, roc.  OBV is range bound since the 24th.  I don't see much of a reason to bail.  I probably would have a stop about 21.25.

Tom Worley wrote:

If anyone picks up any rumors or information to account for EPIQ's spike today, I would appreciate hearing about it. I saw it down about half a buck in the morning, then recovering to a buck plus later in the day. But didn't realize until late this evening this puppy spiked on volume in the last half hour. From what I have researched so far, looks like a block buy may have gone thru around 3:30 PM, taking out all the offers. Some further volume followed after that, including a further new high in the aftermarket on a small trade of 300 shares. But I find no news to account for a 15% spike in price on slightly more than ADV, on a down day for Naz. Any info or opinions welcomed, but I'm really looking for an excuse to sell that I can live with, I really want to make the right (smart) decisions on my remaining holding. I wish the other stocks I own, and want to sell, would be so well motivated! Tom Worley
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 04 May 2001 06:28:00 -0400 If nothing else, Bill, you refreshed my memory on where I got my method of setting price target by using 2X the 200 DMA. Not sure where I got the 1.5X the 50 DMA. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:19 AM Reasons to sell? Well if one digs deep enough one could use HTMMIS selling rule #29, "In a few cases you should sell if a stock hits its upper channel line...Stocks surging above their upper channel lines should normally be sold". Or #34, "Some stocks can be sold when they are 70% to 100% above their 200-day moving average price line". Not sure if it really violates #29 though. I wish I had such a tough decision. (g) Any way you look at it Tom, you've had a nice ride so far. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:14 PM If anyone picks up any rumors or information to account for EPIQ's spike today, I would appreciate hearing about it. I saw it down about half a buck in the morning, then recovering to a buck plus later in the day. But didn't realize until late this evening this puppy spiked on volume in the last half hour. From what I have researched so far, looks like a block buy may have gone thru around 3:30 PM, taking out all the offers. Some further volume followed after that, including a further new high in the aftermarket on a small trade of 300 shares. But I find no news to account for a 15% spike in price on slightly more than ADV, on a down day for Naz. Any info or opinions welcomed, but I'm really looking for an excuse to sell that I can live with, I really want to make the right (smart) decisions on my remaining holding. I wish the other stocks I own, and want to sell, would be so well motivated! Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 04 May 2001 07:09:00 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C0D469.191A9140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Dan and Kent, for the charts. Looking at Dan's one minute chart = confirms what I had gotten from BigCharts, at least in my opinion. Looks = to me like a block buy went thru about 1540 (3:40) of 16,000 shares. = That's a lot on this stock where a typical trade is only a few hundred. = After that, in the next ten minutes, another six trades went thru = averaging around 5,000 shares. Looks to me like a fund or institutional = took a position, right at the close, which is often when they like to = act. Maybe the block triggered some buy stop orders. As for why I want to sell, it's partially because the price appreciation = now has this stock occupying too large a percentage of the acct. I = believe in diversification. I am also mentally trying to fight the greed = syndrome. I don't want to let greed and the success with this one blind = me to obvious sell signals. I sold half once I was up 100% once I saw weakness, guess I will follow = the same logic and sell another quarter, now that I am up 4X, on any = sign of weakness. Using my usual rules of 2X the 200DMA and 1.5X the 50DMA, I get 26.80 = and 30. I already had a limit sell above 29, which apparently kept me = from entering a sell stop order at Schwab. Since I can no longer safely = or logically guess at a high side target, I think I will cancel the sell = order and enter a hard stop for a qtr position sell at 23.80 as I will = not be able to watch it this morning. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:44 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Tom,=20 Attached is an one minute chart for the last part of the trading day = showing the volume bar.=20 MACD and Histogram turned back up as did stoch, roc. OBV is range = bound since the 24th. I don't see much of a reason to bail. I probably = would have a stop about 21.25.=20 Tom Worley wrote:=20 If anyone picks up any rumors or information to account for EPIQ's = spike today, I would appreciate hearing about it. I saw it down about = half a buck in the morning, then recovering to a buck plus later in the = day. But didn't realize until late this evening this puppy spiked on = volume in the last half hour. From what I have researched so far, looks = like a block buy may have gone thru around 3:30 PM, taking out all the = offers. Some further volume followed after that, including a further new = high in the aftermarket on a small trade of 300 shares. But I find no = news to account for a 15% spike in price on slightly more than ADV, on a = down day for Naz. Any info or opinions welcomed, but I'm really looking = for an excuse to sell that I can live with, I really want to make the = right (smart) decisions on my remaining holding. I wish the other stocks = I own, and want to sell, would be so well motivated! Tom Worley=20 stkguru@netside.net =20 ----- ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C0D469.191A9140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Dan and Kent, for the charts. Looking at = Dan's one=20 minute chart confirms what I had gotten from BigCharts, at least in my = opinion.=20 Looks to me like a block buy went thru about 1540 (3:40) of 16,000 = shares.=20 That's a lot on this stock where a typical trade is only a few hundred. = After=20 that, in the next ten minutes, another six trades went thru averaging = around=20 5,000 shares. Looks to me like a fund or institutional took a position, = right at=20 the close, which is often when they like to act. Maybe the block = triggered some=20 buy stop orders.
 
As for why I want to sell, it's partially because = the price=20 appreciation now has this stock occupying too large a percentage of the = acct. I=20 believe in diversification. I am also mentally trying to fight the greed = syndrome. I don't want to let greed and the success with this one blind = me to=20 obvious sell signals.
 
I sold half once I was up 100% once I saw weakness, = guess I=20 will follow the same logic and sell another quarter, now that I am up = 4X, on any=20 sign of weakness.
 
Using my usual rules of 2X the 200DMA and 1.5X the = 50DMA, I=20 get 26.80 and 30. I already had a limit sell above 29, which apparently = kept me=20 from entering a sell stop order at Schwab. Since I can no longer safely = or=20 logically guess at a high side target, I think I will cancel the sell = order and=20 enter a hard stop for a qtr position sell at 23.80 as I will not be able = to=20 watch it this morning.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:44 = AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = EPIQ

Tom,=20

Attached is an one minute chart for the last part of the trading = day=20 showing the volume bar.=20

MACD and Histogram turned back up as did stoch, roc.  OBV is = range=20 bound since the 24th.  I don't see much of a reason to = bail.  I=20 probably would have a stop about 21.25.=20

Tom Worley wrote:=20

If anyone picks up any rumors or information to = account for=20 EPIQ's spike today, I would appreciate hearing about it. I saw it = down about=20 half a buck in the morning, then recovering to a buck plus later in = the day.=20 But didn't realize until late this evening this puppy spiked on = volume in=20 the last half hour. From what I have researched so far, looks like a = block=20 buy may have gone thru around 3:30 PM, taking out all the offers. = Some=20 further volume followed after that, including a further new high in = the=20 aftermarket on a small trade of 300 shares. But I=20 find no news to account for a 15% spike in price on slightly more = than ADV,=20 on a down day for Naz. Any info or = opinions=20 welcomed, but I'm really looking for an excuse to sell that I can = live with,=20 I really want to make the right (smart) decisions on my remaining = holding. I=20 wish the other stocks I own, and want to sell, would be so well=20 motivated! Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net &= nbsp;

------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C0D469.191A9140-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tracie Oken" Subject: [CANSLIM] Feel the power Date: 04 May 2001 05:26:54 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C0D45A.D49BCF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My husband feels much better now after reading this board. He used to = think that he was the only one who had power to move a stock (since a = stock would go down right after he bought or go up right after he sold). = He is glad to see that others have the same power. Also, for us new members to the board, could someone please tell us what = HTF and OBV stand for. Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C0D45A.D49BCF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My husband feels much better now after = reading this=20 board. He used to think that he was the only one who had power to move a = stock=20 (since a stock would go down right after he bought or go up right = after he=20 sold). He is glad to see that others have the same power.
 
Also, for us new members to the board, = could=20 someone please tell us what HTF and OBV stand for.
 
Thanks.
------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C0D45A.D49BCF60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Feel the power Date: 04 May 2001 08:40:08 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D475.D32BD060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tracie, One of the really great things about investing is discovering the = massive power, with just our few shares bot or sold, to move a stock = price in the face of hundreds of thousands of shares, or even millions = of shares. I bet the institutions envy us! HTF stands for High Tight Flag, a chart formation. I am not expert on = it, so rather than confuse you and other members, I will let one of the = experts jump in and explain it and how to recognize it. OBV stands for On Balance Volume, a technical analysis (TA) indicator. = It's not CANSLIM, but used by some members. Again, I am not expert so = won't try to explain it or how to use it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracie Oken=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Feel the power My husband feels much better now after reading this board. He used to = think that he was the only one who had power to move a stock (since a = stock would go down right after he bought or go up right after he sold). = He is glad to see that others have the same power. =20 Also, for us new members to the board, could someone please tell us = what HTF and OBV stand for. =20 Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D475.D32BD060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tracie,
 
One of the really great things about investing is = discovering=20 the massive power, with just our few shares bot or sold, to move a stock = price=20 in the face of hundreds of thousands of shares, or even millions of = shares. I=20 bet the institutions envy us!
 
HTF stands for High Tight Flag, a chart formation. I = am not=20 expert on it, so rather than confuse you and other members, I will let = one of=20 the experts jump in and explain it and how to recognize it.
 
OBV stands for On Balance Volume, a technical = analysis (TA)=20 indicator. It's not CANSLIM, but used by some members. Again, I am not = expert so=20 won't try to explain it or how to use it.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracie = Oken=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:26 = AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Feel the = power

My husband feels much better now = after reading=20 this board. He used to think that he was the only one who had power to = move a=20 stock (since a stock would go down right after he bought or go up = right=20 after he sold). He is glad to see that others have the same=20 power.
 
Also, for us new members to the = board, could=20 someone please tell us what HTF and OBV stand for.
 
Thanks.
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D475.D32BD060-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Next FOMC Meeting Date: 04 May 2001 08:56:54 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0D478.2B63D1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When the Federal Open Market Committee meets May 15, I expect them to = agree to at least a 25 BP (Basis Point) cut in rates. I think with this = morning's Employment Report, the door is still open to 50 BP, but I = believe that is unlikely. The Feds are forward looking, out 8-12 = months. The 2% they have already cut is stimulating the economy, and not = much more is needed or wise or healthy if we are to avoid an = inflationary cycle. Inventories have been substantially reduced, = productivity may take a hit partially because of all the layoffs (but = the Feds will tolerate that short term), inflation is not yet a problem = even with high energy prices, durable goods orders and orders to = manufacturers is picking up altho still in a contraction level. Home = construction and auto manufacturing is still strong. Consumer spending, = as witnessed by the 2% growth of GDP recently reported, remains stronger = than expected. The Employment Report (overall increased from 4.3 to 4.5%, higher than = expected, and jobs CUTS of 223,000 when an increase of 25,000, itself = lackluster, was anticipated) is having a shock effect. Futures already = dropped from a 1% gain to a 1.5% loss for the opening. Haven't looked at Europe yet, but would expect markets there to be = heading south by now. Should be good for EPIQ at least, with sales of their software for = bankruptcy trustees. Schwab accepted my stop 23.80 limit 23.50 order = once I cancelled my sell limit order at 29.20. Just wish I had more = experience with that kind of dilemma. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0D478.2B63D1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
When the Federal Open Market Committee meets May 15, = I expect=20 them to agree to at least a 25 BP (Basis Point) cut in rates. I think = with this=20 morning's Employment Report, the door is still open to 50 BP, but I = believe that=20 is unlikely.  The Feds are forward looking, out 8-12 months. The 2% = they=20 have already cut is stimulating the economy, and not much more is needed = or wise=20 or healthy if we are to avoid an inflationary cycle. Inventories have = been=20 substantially reduced, productivity may take a hit partially because of = all the=20 layoffs (but the Feds will tolerate that short term), inflation is not = yet a=20 problem even with high energy prices, durable goods orders and orders to = manufacturers is picking up altho still in a contraction level. Home=20 construction and auto manufacturing is still strong. Consumer spending, = as=20 witnessed by the 2% growth of GDP recently reported, remains stronger = than=20 expected.
 
The Employment Report (overall increased from 4.3 to = 4.5%,=20 higher than expected, and jobs CUTS of 223,000 when an increase of = 25,000,=20 itself lackluster, was anticipated) is having a shock effect. Futures = already=20 dropped from a 1% gain to a 1.5% loss for the opening.
 
Haven't looked at Europe yet, but would expect = markets there=20 to be heading south by now.
 
Should be good for EPIQ at least, with sales of = their software=20 for bankruptcy trustees. Schwab accepted my stop 23.80 limit 23.50 order = once I=20 cancelled my sell limit order at 29.20. Just wish I had more experience = with=20 that kind of dilemma.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0D478.2B63D1E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ACF Date: 04 May 2001 06:37:19 -0700 Not in my book. An HTF occurs at the new high, or very close to it. There is no runup necessary. Look at the chart of ALLY for an example of an HTF that formed the 3rd week of March. It was a point or so below the high, and formed at the end of a month long base. IMO ACF formed a shallow saucer w/ no handle, broke out, and is now in another basing period. This week it is forming an HTF in that base. Looks a lot like ALLY, doesn't it? These can break either way Earl, they are not possible to predict, (but then again what is?) Another breakout here would be the 2nd stage b/o from the base, as such I wouldn't buy it but I certainly see no reason to get nervous. At 11:11 PM 5/3/2001 -0600, you wrote: >IMHO ACF is not in a HTF setup. It's my understanding that that is >ascribed to runups of 100% or more in a very short time; like two or three >weeks. I'm assuming that the definition of HTF uses a starting point of >the pivot point of the initial breakout, which in this case I'm assuming >is 37 or so. But if ACF could settle at 45 for another three weeks or so >I think that would be a good base for further price appreciation. It's >about 30% above 50dma and 50% above 200dma. Doesn't seem it can go much >further without some consolidation. It has excellent numbers and ratings. > > >At 10:05 PM 5/3/01 -0600, you wrote: >>I was looking at ACF tonight (one of my holdings), and it looks like it is >>forming a flag, possibly HTF. I'm not very experienced in this formation, >>comments and suggestions? >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "walter nusbaum" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SERO Date: 04 May 2001 08:49:12 -0500 And every time the same car is sold, it is taxed again and again. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 9:56 PM > And you pay tax to use the road. > > Kent > --- esetser wrote: > > Really, double taxation? What a shame. Think > > about driving your car. > > > > 1 - You earn some money, pay income tax. > > 2 - You buy the car, pay sales tax. > > 3 - You fill it up, pay gasoline tax. > > 4 - Generally, you pay property tax each year for > > owning it. > > > > Hmm, I consider double or more taxation business as > > usual!! (SNIP) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Feel the power Date: 04 May 2001 08:56:29 -0600 On 4 May 01, at 5:26, Tracie Oken wrote: > Also, for us new members to the board, could someone please tell us what HTF and OBV stand for. For an example of what the HTF pattern looks like at least, (we seem to have some differences as to exact definitions), look at PXLW. You can draw trendlines across the tops and bottoms of the bars from 4/19 to 4/27, that would be the flag. Flags and pennants (same thing, slightly different look to it, flags have parallel tops and bottoms, pennants more of a triangle look) form after a sharp run up in a short time, the large bar that usually leads to the flag is called the flag pole (no kidding). The flag is considered a continuation pattern, that is, price will break out of the consolidation area in the direction of the previous move. You can see this with PXLW. You would buy a breakout of the trend line you drew across the highs. All this stuff comes from the old Edwards and Magee book on technical analysis, sort of the classic on the subject. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Feel the power Date: 04 May 2001 09:24:46 -0600 I was using WON's definition of High Tight Flag from p. 157 of HTMMIS. At 08:56 AM 5/4/01 -0600, you wrote: >On 4 May 01, at 5:26, Tracie Oken wrote: > > > > Also, for us new members to the board, could someone > please tell us what HTF and OBV stand for. > >For an example of what the HTF pattern looks like at least, (we >seem to have some differences as to exact definitions), look at >PXLW. You can draw trendlines across the tops and bottoms of >the bars from 4/19 to 4/27, that would be the flag. Flags and >pennants (same thing, slightly different look to it, flags have parallel >tops and bottoms, pennants more of a triangle look) form after a >sharp run up in a short time, the large bar that usually leads to the >flag is called the flag pole (no kidding). The flag is considered a >continuation pattern, that is, price will break out of the >consolidation area in the direction of the previous move. You can >see this with PXLW. You would buy a breakout of the trend line >you drew across the highs. All this stuff comes from the old >Edwards and Magee book on technical analysis, sort of the classic >on the subject. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 04 May 2001 10:27:15 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D4BF.28ED95F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When the left side of a cup begins to form and there are a few occasions where the price decreases on above ADV, is that a bad sign even though the stock closes nearer to its intraday high than its intraday low? Please explain a healthy left side in relation to price/volume. Grazie. Nancy "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/04/01 10:26:18 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. 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Please explain a healthy left side in = relation to price/volume.


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unless you're in a tax free state.

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And every time the same car is sold, it is taxed again and again.

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> And you pay tax to use the road.
>
> Kent
> --- esetser <esetser@covad.net> wrote:
> > Really, double taxation?  What a shame.   Think
> > about driving your car.
> >
> > 1 - You earn some money, pay income tax.
> > 2 - You buy the car, pay sales tax.
> > 3 - You fill it up, pay gasoline tax.
> > 4 - Generally, you pay property tax each year for
> > owning it.
> >
> > Hmm, I consider double or more taxation business as
> > usual!!
(SNIP)



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D4BF.C496DDFC-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 04 May 2001 11:26:58 -0700 (PDT) If it were to spike up on wrong information, would people be asking the same question? regards Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Tim, > > After reading this article on why the stock tanked > on incorrect > info, do you step back in? > > From the chart, it looks to me like a lazy LLUR, but > the spike > down clearly broke the pattern. Does this count when > it is broken > on bad information, then doesn't immediately recover > the lost > ground when the error is corrected? > > How do you call this one now, with the new > information? > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: can slim > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > > > http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7079926&tid=h > ov&sid=7079926&mid=739 > > >From: "Tim Fisher" > >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > >Date: 2 May 2001 08:34:28 -0700 > > > >HOV dumped me this AM. At least I had a profit! > Looks like a > complete > >meltdown. > > > > At 08:33 PM 5/1/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >>First, I have had a couple of people respond to my > Clearstation > "sell" > >>notifications here. For those who didn't know, my > original > message wasn't > >>posted here, and it basically said I was dumped > out of several > stocks. > >> > >>Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... > >> > >> > >>Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, > 2 other > stocks, and > >>added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. > At that > point, 4 of 5 > >>stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe > this rally > would be > >>different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day > later, and I've > been > >>stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of > my funds > (more or > >>less). > >> I got burned 2-fold. > >> > >>I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down > strongly on Monday > and Tuesday. > >>One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then > plummeted. In the > end, I > >>took > >>losses on all three as they hit my stops. > Overall, I'm very > surprised to > >>see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has > 5-10 potential > CANSLIM > >>breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is > this something > that > >>happens > >>to the top group very often? Have others > witnessed this kind > of meltdown > >>very often? > >> > >>My other position was PPDI. It had moved up > nicely late last > week, and > >>then seemed to be resting a bit just above the > pivot. It > looked ready to > >>move higher, especially with its group moving up > rapidly, so I > gave it a > >>shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as > soon as I saw > the drop > >>(about 10%). After looking closer, I found that > the stock had > moved up on > >>the earnings annoucement last week, but there was > a VERY > UNUSUAL dividend > >>announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, > everyone who > owned the > >>stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share > in a few > weeks. At > >>that > >>point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their > holdings at a > new high, > >>and still have the same amount of stock in 3 > weeks. Given > this, there > >>seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the > stock. I mean, > the value of > >>last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect > HUGE downward > pressure on > >>the stock over the next few weeks, and today was > an example. > This is > >>clearly my fault for not reading the news before > buying, but > has anyone > >>seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely > that the stock > price > >>would > >>hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual > to me. > >> > >>- > >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > >Tim Fisher > >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Need help with gif files Date: 04 May 2001 12:43:59 -0600 Dan When I tried to open your file got an error message: 'Paint cannot read this file. This is not a valid bitmap file, or its format is not currently supported.' When I tried to open a .gif file recently I selected Paint as the associated program. Now all my .gif files are associated with Paint and none of them open. At 10:24 AM 5/4/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Doug, > >What happens when you double click on a gif file now? > >DougC wrote: > > > Got a couple of questions about viewing gif files. > > > > 1. What program do you use to view them > > 2. If somehow paint was selected as the associated program > > and you want to change the program > > that opens when you click on a gif file, how do you do that. > > > > I'm using Win98 > > > > Thanks > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Need help with gif files Date: 04 May 2001 12:05:14 -0700 I'll ask a source about it. I have always just opened them. DougC wrote: > Dan > > When I tried to open your file got an error message: > > 'Paint cannot read this file. This is not a valid bitmap file, > or its format is not currently supported.' > > When I tried to open a .gif file recently I selected Paint > as the associated program. Now all my .gif files are associated > with Paint and none of them open. > > At 10:24 AM 5/4/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi Doug, > > > >What happens when you double click on a gif file now? > > > >DougC wrote: > > > > > Got a couple of questions about viewing gif files. > > > > > > 1. What program do you use to view them > > > 2. If somehow paint was selected as the associated program > > > and you want to change the program > > > that opens when you click on a gif file, how do you do that. > > > > > > I'm using Win98 > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Falk, Dave K." Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Need help with gif files Date: 04 May 2001 14:10:51 -0500 The following will show you what application is associated with .gif files: Open Windows Explorer Select View/Options from the menu Click on the "File Types" tab Scroll down the list to "GIF Image" Highlight "GIF Image" list item and select "Edit" Double Click on "Open" within the Actions section. The program name will be highlighted. On my system, I have the following entry for the .gif open Action: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\PhotoEd\PhotoEd.exe "%1" In any event, this is where you need to set up the association. Hope this helps, Dave -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:05 PM I'll ask a source about it. I have always just opened them. DougC wrote: > Dan > > When I tried to open your file got an error message: > > 'Paint cannot read this file. This is not a valid bitmap file, > or its format is not currently supported.' > > When I tried to open a .gif file recently I selected Paint > as the associated program. Now all my .gif files are associated > with Paint and none of them open. > > At 10:24 AM 5/4/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi Doug, > > > >What happens when you double click on a gif file now? > > > >DougC wrote: > > > > > Got a couple of questions about viewing gif files. > > > > > > 1. What program do you use to view them > > > 2. If somehow paint was selected as the associated program > > > and you want to change the program > > > that opens when you click on a gif file, how do you do that. > > > > > > I'm using Win98 > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 04 May 2001 12:26:48 -0700 I didn't answer since I don't care why it tanked, and I didn't even follow the link. It tanked, triggered my stop, I am out, it is a failed B/O, off my list, etc. Why should I, you, or any good CANSLIMer care why it tanked? At 11:26 AM 5/4/2001 -0700, you wrote: >If it were to spike up on wrong information, would >people be asking the same question? > >regards >Kent Norman >--- Tom Worley wrote: > > Tim, > > > > After reading this article on why the stock tanked > > on incorrect > > info, do you step back in? > > > > From the chart, it looks to me like a lazy LLUR, but > > the spike > > down clearly broke the pattern. Does this count when > > it is broken > > on bad information, then doesn't immediately recover > > the lost > > ground when the error is corrected? > > > > How do you call this one now, with the new > > information? > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: can slim > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > > > > > > > >http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7079926&tid=h > > ov&sid=7079926&mid=739 > > > > >From: "Tim Fisher" > > >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > >Date: 2 May 2001 08:34:28 -0700 > > > > > >HOV dumped me this AM. At least I had a profit! > > Looks like a > > complete > > >meltdown. > > > > > > At 08:33 PM 5/1/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > >>First, I have had a couple of people respond to my > > Clearstation > > "sell" > > >>notifications here. For those who didn't know, my > > original > > message wasn't > > >>posted here, and it basically said I was dumped > > out of several > > stocks. > > >> > > >>Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... > > >> > > >> > > >>Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, > > 2 other > > stocks, and > > >>added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. > > At that > > point, 4 of 5 > > >>stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe > > this rally > > would be > > >>different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day > > later, and I've > > been > > >>stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of > > my funds > > (more or > > >>less). > > >> I got burned 2-fold. > > >> > > >>I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down > > strongly on Monday > > and Tuesday. > > >>One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then > > plummeted. In the > > end, I > > >>took > > >>losses on all three as they hit my stops. > > Overall, I'm very > > surprised to > > >>see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has > > 5-10 potential > > CANSLIM > > >>breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is > > this something > > that > > >>happens > > >>to the top group very often? Have others > > witnessed this kind > > of meltdown > > >>very often? > > >> > > >>My other position was PPDI. It had moved up > > nicely late last > > week, and > > >>then seemed to be resting a bit just above the > > pivot. It > > looked ready to > > >>move higher, especially with its group moving up > > rapidly, so I > > gave it a > > >>shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as > > soon as I saw > > the drop > > >>(about 10%). After looking closer, I found that > > the stock had > > moved up on > > >>the earnings annoucement last week, but there was > > a VERY > > UNUSUAL dividend > > >>announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, > > everyone who > > owned the > > >>stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share > > in a few > > weeks. At > > >>that > > >>point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their > > holdings at a > > new high, > > >>and still have the same amount of stock in 3 > > weeks. Given > > this, there > > >>seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the > > stock. I mean, > > the value of > > >>last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect > > HUGE downward > > pressure on > > >>the stock over the next few weeks, and today was > > an example. > > This is > > >>clearly my fault for not reading the news before > > buying, but > > has anyone > > >>seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely > > that the stock > > price > > >>would > > >>hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual > > to me. > > >> > > >>- > > >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > >Tim Fisher > > >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >email. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: [CANSLIM] I can now read gif files Date: 04 May 2001 13:54:29 -0700 Many Thanks Dave. Your instructions got me right where I needed to go. I changed the associated file from Paint to Internet Explorer. I am now able to view the .gif files. It would have been nice if Microsoft Help could have given me that info. Those Help files always seem to not have the specific answer I need. Have a great Day. At 02:10 PM 5/4/01 -0500, you wrote: >The following will show you what application is associated with .gif files: > > Open Windows Explorer > Select View/Options from the menu > Click on the "File Types" tab > Scroll down the list to "GIF Image" > Highlight "GIF Image" list item and select "Edit" > Double Click on "Open" within the Actions section. > The program name will be highlighted. > > On my system, I have the following entry for the .gif open Action: > > C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft >Shared\PhotoEd\PhotoEd.exe "%1" > > In any event, this is where you need to set up the association. > >Hope this helps, > Dave > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan [mailto:dcash@compuall.net] >Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:05 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Need help with gif files > > >I'll ask a source about it. I have always just opened them. > >DougC wrote: > > > Dan > > > > When I tried to open your file got an error message: > > > > 'Paint cannot read this file. This is not a valid bitmap file, > > or its format is not currently supported.' > > > > When I tried to open a .gif file recently I selected Paint > > as the associated program. Now all my .gif files are associated > > with Paint and none of them open. > > > > At 10:24 AM 5/4/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hi Doug, > > > > > >What happens when you double click on a gif file now? > > > > > >DougC wrote: > > > > > > > Got a couple of questions about viewing gif files. > > > > > > > > 1. What program do you use to view them > > > > 2. If somehow paint was selected as the associated program > > > > and you want to change the program > > > > that opens when you click on a gif file, how do you do that. > > > > > > > > I'm using Win98 > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Doug Chiurato dzc@qwest.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Need help with gif files Date: 04 May 2001 13:00:44 -0700 I learn, thanks Dave Dan "Falk, Dave K." wrote: > The following will show you what application is associated with .gif files: > > Open Windows Explorer > Select View/Options from the menu > Click on the "File Types" tab > Scroll down the list to "GIF Image" > Highlight "GIF Image" list item and select "Edit" > Double Click on "Open" within the Actions section. > The program name will be highlighted. > > On my system, I have the following entry for the .gif open Action: > > C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft > Shared\PhotoEd\PhotoEd.exe "%1" > > In any event, this is where you need to set up the association. > > Hope this helps, > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan [mailto:dcash@compuall.net] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:05 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Need help with gif files > > I'll ask a source about it. I have always just opened them. > > DougC wrote: > > > Dan > > > > When I tried to open your file got an error message: > > > > 'Paint cannot read this file. This is not a valid bitmap file, > > or its format is not currently supported.' > > > > When I tried to open a .gif file recently I selected Paint > > as the associated program. Now all my .gif files are associated > > with Paint and none of them open. > > > > At 10:24 AM 5/4/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >Hi Doug, > > > > > >What happens when you double click on a gif file now? > > > > > >DougC wrote: > > > > > > > Got a couple of questions about viewing gif files. > > > > > > > > 1. What program do you use to view them > > > > 2. If somehow paint was selected as the associated program > > > > and you want to change the program > > > > that opens when you click on a gif file, how do you do that. > > > > > > > > I'm using Win98 > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TRR Date: 04 May 2001 14:33:46 -0600 Thanks Dan. Now that you've pointed it out to me I can see the divergence. TRR held up OK today losing .50 with 1/2 adv. If it doesnt break out next week I think the worse case on the downside is 25. Looks like it could end up trading in the 25 to 33 range for a while. At 11:07 PM 5/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >Doug, > >You can see it in the attached. > >Dan > >DougC wrote: > > > Thanks for feedback Dan. I've only recently been made aware of OBV. I > > looked at the chart of TRR with OBV below it and see it trending up from an > > extreme low on Apr. 23. I've read that the best way to make use of OBV or > > any of the other indicators is to look for divergences. I admit my eye is > > untrained for this but I don't see a divergence. Nevertheless I'm going to > > keep a close watch on TRR tomorrow. > > > > At 08:09 PM 5/3/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >If it does break above 33.25, to me, it looks prone to failure. OBV > is very > > >much weaker now than on 3-8 and 4-10, which indicates liquidation in > my view. > > > > > >Dan > > > > > >DougC wrote: > > > > > > > TRR has tried yesterday and today to break past 52 week high of 33 > bucks. > > > > Today vol was 4x ADV but still couldnt do it. Looks like an excellent > > > > CANSLIM stock. The C&H, if you agree to call it that, has'nt been the > > > > smoothest. Tomorrow should be interesting. I bought in early couple > weeks > > > > ago and weathered a brutal shakeout. Now I'd like to be rewarded with a > > > > breakout. Maybe I should make a sacrifice and sell half my shares?? > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 04 May 2001 19:56:06 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D4D4.41D669E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable left side of cupThe most healthy left side of a cup is one you are out = of and watching. (or have shorted after exiting your long position with = a huge gain) If still holding long, then a healthy left side is one that rallies and = gets you the chance to recover some of the money you had lost, and exit, = before you lose more. As to "signs", if a stock is forming a cup, the smoother the better. The = depth of the cup matters, so you prefer to see the bottom of the cup = only giving up 25% or less of the prior leg up (unless you are short). = It's also good to see a capitulation day late in the bottom of the cup. = I personally also prefer to see a smooth right side of the cup, but with = light volume. This confirms to me that the weak holders were mostly = shook out by the capitulation day in the bottom. And there won't be so = many profit takers who bot on the right side of the cup by the time it = builds a handle. And, finally, of course, you want to see it build a handle nicely, = drooping slightly and volume decreasing as it extends to the right. Then all you have to do is watch it to be sure when it breaks, it breaks = upward, and on 1.5X or more of ADV. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: Canslim (E-mail)=20 Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] left side of cup When the left side of a cup begins to form and there are a few = occasions where the price decreases on above ADV, is that a bad sign = even though the stock closes nearer to its intraday high than its = intraday low?=20 Please explain a healthy left side in relation to price/volume.=20 Grazie.=20 Nancy=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/04/01 10:26:18 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended = recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then = delete it from your system. 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The most healthy left side of a cup is one you are = out of and=20 watching. (or have shorted after exiting your long position with a huge=20 gain)
 
If still holding long, then a healthy left side is = one that=20 rallies and gets you the chance to recover some of the money you had = lost, and=20 exit, before you lose more.
 
As to "signs", if a stock is forming a cup, the = smoother the=20 better. The depth of the cup matters, so you prefer to see the bottom of = the cup=20 only giving up 25% or less of the prior leg up (unless you are short). = It's also=20 good to see a capitulation day late in the bottom of the cup. I = personally also=20 prefer to see a smooth right side of the cup, but with light volume. = This=20 confirms to me that the weak holders were mostly shook out by the = capitulation=20 day in the bottom. And there won't be so many profit takers who bot on = the right=20 side of the cup by the time it builds a handle.
 
And, finally, of course, you want to see it build a = handle=20 nicely, drooping slightly and volume decreasing as it extends to the=20 right.
 
Then all you have to do is watch it to be sure when = it breaks,=20 it breaks upward, and on 1.5X or more of ADV.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
To: Canslim (E-mail)
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:27 = PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] left side of = cup

When the left side of a cup begins to = form and=20 there are a few occasions where the price decreases on above ADV, is = that a=20 bad sign even though the stock closes nearer to its  intraday = high than=20 its intraday low?

Please explain a healthy left side in = relation to=20 price/volume.


Grazie.
Nancy

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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D4D4.41D669E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 04 May 2001 20:06:39 -0400 That's why I asked for help on EPIQ's spike. I had no immediate justification or understanding on it. And when things are not logical, whether up or down, I start asking questions and doing research. That, of course, is my fundamentalist alter ego speaking, not my CANSLIM side. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 2:26 PM If it were to spike up on wrong information, would people be asking the same question? regards Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Tim, > > After reading this article on why the stock tanked > on incorrect > info, do you step back in? > > From the chart, it looks to me like a lazy LLUR, but > the spike > down clearly broke the pattern. Does this count when > it is broken > on bad information, then doesn't immediately recover > the lost > ground when the error is corrected? > > How do you call this one now, with the new > information? > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: can slim > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > > > http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7079926&tid=h > ov&sid=7079926&mid=739 > > >From: "Tim Fisher" > >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > >Date: 2 May 2001 08:34:28 -0700 > > > >HOV dumped me this AM. At least I had a profit! > Looks like a > complete > >meltdown. > > > > At 08:33 PM 5/1/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >>First, I have had a couple of people respond to my > Clearstation > "sell" > >>notifications here. For those who didn't know, my > original > message wasn't > >>posted here, and it basically said I was dumped > out of several > stocks. > >> > >>Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... > >> > >> > >>Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, > 2 other > stocks, and > >>added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. > At that > point, 4 of 5 > >>stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe > this rally > would be > >>different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day > later, and I've > been > >>stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of > my funds > (more or > >>less). > >> I got burned 2-fold. > >> > >>I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down > strongly on Monday > and Tuesday. > >>One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then > plummeted. In the > end, I > >>took > >>losses on all three as they hit my stops. > Overall, I'm very > surprised to > >>see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has > 5-10 potential > CANSLIM > >>breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is > this something > that > >>happens > >>to the top group very often? Have others > witnessed this kind > of meltdown > >>very often? > >> > >>My other position was PPDI. It had moved up > nicely late last > week, and > >>then seemed to be resting a bit just above the > pivot. It > looked ready to > >>move higher, especially with its group moving up > rapidly, so I > gave it a > >>shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as > soon as I saw > the drop > >>(about 10%). After looking closer, I found that > the stock had > moved up on > >>the earnings annoucement last week, but there was > a VERY > UNUSUAL dividend > >>announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, > everyone who > owned the > >>stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share > in a few > weeks. At > >>that > >>point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their > holdings at a > new high, > >>and still have the same amount of stock in 3 > weeks. Given > this, there > >>seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the > stock. I mean, > the value of > >>last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect > HUGE downward > pressure on > >>the stock over the next few weeks, and today was > an example. > This is > >>clearly my fault for not reading the news before > buying, but > has anyone > >>seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely > that the stock > price > >>would > >>hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual > to me. > >> > >>- > >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > >Tim Fisher > >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts Date: 04 May 2001 20:04:16 -0400 I asked the question because I was curious how you handle a stock's behavior when it's unjustified. Being stopped out is valid, but today the stock did exactly what I thought might happen yesterday, banged up $1.84, up 11.8% for the day, and back well within your original 10% stop. So the false information stopped you out, not the stock. That, to me, is a reason to buy it back if all else remains the same as before the wrong info. Obviously not that many think the same way, as today's volume, while 1.5X ADV, is still only about a fourth of the volume on the spike down. Stocks get manipulated all the time, usually for reasons having little to do with CANSLIM. But where the reason is entirely incorrect in the first place, and rapidly corrected, then it's a potential cheaper entry point. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:26 PM I didn't answer since I don't care why it tanked, and I didn't even follow the link. It tanked, triggered my stop, I am out, it is a failed B/O, off my list, etc. Why should I, you, or any good CANSLIMer care why it tanked? At 11:26 AM 5/4/2001 -0700, you wrote: >If it were to spike up on wrong information, would >people be asking the same question? > >regards >Kent Norman >--- Tom Worley wrote: > > Tim, > > > > After reading this article on why the stock tanked > > on incorrect > > info, do you step back in? > > > > From the chart, it looks to me like a lazy LLUR, but > > the spike > > down clearly broke the pattern. Does this count when > > it is broken > > on bad information, then doesn't immediately recover > > the lost > > ground when the error is corrected? > > > > How do you call this one now, with the new > > information? > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: can slim > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > > > > > > > >http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7079926&tid= h > > ov&sid=7079926&mid=739 > > > > >From: "Tim Fisher" > > >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Ouch, that hurts > > >Date: 2 May 2001 08:34:28 -0700 > > > > > >HOV dumped me this AM. At least I had a profit! > > Looks like a > > complete > > >meltdown. > > > > > > At 08:33 PM 5/1/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > >>First, I have had a couple of people respond to my > > Clearstation > > "sell" > > >>notifications here. For those who didn't know, my > > original > > message wasn't > > >>posted here, and it basically said I was dumped > > out of several > > stocks. > > >> > > >>Now, back to our regularly scheduled program..... > > >> > > >> > > >>Ouch. I went into this week with 3 Home Builders, > > 2 other > > stocks, and > > >>added my last position in PPDI yesterday morning. > > At that > > point, 4 of 5 > > >>stocks were up nicely, and I was thinking maybe > > this rally > > would be > > >>different. Here we are about 1 1/2 trading day > > later, and I've > > been > > >>stopped out of 4 positions, and lost another 4% of > > my funds > > (more or > > >>less). > > >> I got burned 2-fold. > > >> > > >>I had 3 Home Builders, and all 3 went down > > strongly on Monday > > and Tuesday. > > >>One, MDC, was up for a while today, but then > > plummeted. In the > > end, I > > >>took > > >>losses on all three as they hit my stops. > > Overall, I'm very > > surprised to > > >>see an industry group that is ranked #1, and has > > 5-10 potential > > CANSLIM > > >>breakouts in about a week fail so strongly. Is > > this something > > that > > >>happens > > >>to the top group very often? Have others > > witnessed this kind > > of meltdown > > >>very often? > > >> > > >>My other position was PPDI. It had moved up > > nicely late last > > week, and > > >>then seemed to be resting a bit just above the > > pivot. It > > looked ready to > > >>move higher, especially with its group moving up > > rapidly, so I > > gave it a > > >>shot. It dropped rapidly today and I sold out as > > soon as I saw > > the drop > > >>(about 10%). After looking closer, I found that > > the stock had > > moved up on > > >>the earnings annoucement last week, but there was > > a VERY > > UNUSUAL dividend > > >>announced, 1 share/share owned. In other words, > > everyone who > > owned the > > >>stock as of Thursday (I think) gets an extra share > > in a few > > weeks. At > > >>that > > >>point, anyone who wanted to could sell all their > > holdings at a > > new high, > > >>and still have the same amount of stock in 3 > > weeks. Given > > this, there > > >>seems to be a lot of downward pressure on the > > stock. I mean, > > the value of > > >>last week's holders doubled instantly. I expect > > HUGE downward > > pressure on > > >>the stock over the next few weeks, and today was > > an example. > > This is > > >>clearly my fault for not reading the news before > > buying, but > > has anyone > > >>seen this kind of dividend before? Is it likely > > that the stock > > price > > >>would > > >>hold up to a "double"? This seems really unusual > > to me. > > >> > > >>- > > >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > >Tim Fisher > > >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > >________________________________________________________________ _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >email. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SACADS@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on SFC Date: 05 May 2001 00:16:15 EDT I've been watching SFC for a while (Tom I think it was on your watch list). I finally think I've decided to dip into it but now I'm afraid it's too extended. Doesn't the chart angle appear awfully steep. Any opinions on this. Disclosure-Just watching......... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Oken" Subject: [CANSLIM] Specialty Labs Date: 04 May 2001 20:07:10 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C0D4D5.CD8A7660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone looked at Specialty Labs (SP) yet. I would love to get the = groups opinion. ROE looks a little light but everything else seems to be = O.K. Cup also seems good to me with the left side on light volume, a = capitulation day at the bottom, and right side on higher volume with a = breakout day I would guess to be 5/2. Also, what is the consensus about = it being a recent IPO. Thanks, Jay Oken ------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C0D4D5.CD8A7660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone looked at Specialty Labs = (SP) yet. I=20 would love to get the groups opinion. ROE looks a little light but = everything=20 else seems to be O.K. Cup also seems good to me with the left side on = light=20 volume, a capitulation day at the bottom, and right side on higher = volume with a=20 breakout day I would guess to be 5/2. Also, what is the consensus about = it being=20 a recent IPO.
 
Thanks,
Jay Oken
------=_NextPart_000_01C0_01C0D4D5.CD8A7660-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One Date: 05 May 2001 08:43:33 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0D53F.783885C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Full list totals 264, up slightly from last week's 245 and less than I = was expecting. Prior to that it was 195 and 171. It consists of those stocks in the Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) = that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or better. Additionally, = they must have been at or within 5% of the 12 month high during the = prior week. In my review of this overall list, I am only focusing on the = recent chart patterns.=20 This review of the overall list is solely intended to identify stocks = with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, that are = showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal bias against certain industries is ignored in the review. =20 As always, my shorthand notation is Bx where "B" means a "B"ase of "x" = weeks, IMO. LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right, a non-CANSLIM pattern that can work = with CANSLIM using the trend as the base line SKX - HTF??, vol declining ACF - ready to resume the staircase? SDRX - another staircase BZH - b/o Fri on better than 2X ADV from a high handle cup, nice = formation, so much for the Bldg-Resident/Commercial group in a decline? STRC - B1, vol dropping LEN - moving back to the pivot from a B2 on Fri, another = Bldg-Resident/Comm stock USLB - B3, vol dropping RYL - b/o Fri on 2.5X ADV, another Bldg-Resident/Comm group, is there a = pattern here? IGT - B4 UCBH - decent c&h forming, a little unusual for a bank ESI - B2+, base trending up RJR - b/o Fri on 1.4X ADV QUIX - sloppy B4 DME - LLUR PLB - resuming a handle on a flat saucer SIB - LLUR SERO - b/o Fri from a high handle on huge vol MKT - B3+, tight range, vol dropping BWS - uncertain B8, this stock can't make up its mind where it's headed AAS - B4 below the high STRA - B1+, vol down CORS - B5, below avg volume NFB - B4 EME - B3 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0D53F.783885C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Full list totals 264, up slightly from last week's = 245 and=20 less than I was expecting. Prior to that it was 195 and = 171.
 
It consists of those stocks in the = Daily Graphs=20 books (roughly 2,800) that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or=20 better.  Additionally, they must have been at or within 5% of the = 12 month=20 high during the prior week. In my review of this overall list, I am only = focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20
 
This review of the overall list is solely intended = to identify=20 stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, = that are=20 showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present=20 some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a=20 "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own personal bias = against=20 certain industries is ignored in the = review.
 
As always, my shorthand notation is = Bx where "B"=20 means a "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO.
 
LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right, a non-CANSLIM pattern that can = work with=20 CANSLIM using the trend as the base line
 
SKX - HTF??, vol declining
ACF - ready to resume the staircase?
SDRX - another staircase
BZH - b/o Fri on better than 2X ADV from a high = handle cup,=20 nice formation, so much for the Bldg-Resident/Commercial group in a=20 decline?
STRC - B1, vol dropping
LEN - moving back to the pivot from a B2 on Fri, = another=20 Bldg-Resident/Comm stock
USLB - B3, vol dropping
RYL - b/o Fri on 2.5X ADV, another = Bldg-Resident/Comm group,=20 is there a pattern here?
IGT - B4
UCBH - decent c&h forming, a little unusual for = a=20 bank
ESI - B2+, base trending up
RJR - b/o Fri on 1.4X ADV
QUIX - sloppy B4
DME - LLUR
PLB - resuming a handle on a flat = saucer
SIB - LLUR
SERO - b/o Fri from a high handle on huge = vol
MKT  - B3+, tight range, vol = dropping
BWS - uncertain B8, this stock can't make up its = mind where=20 it's headed
AAS - B4 below the high
STRA - B1+, vol down
CORS - B5, below avg volume
NFB - B4
EME - B3
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0D53F.783885C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on SFC Date: 05 May 2001 08:47:23 -0400 I don't have it on my watch list at present, probably dropped it because I felt I had missed the best opportunity. Even tho the climb has been steep, it still has a trailing PE of 16, so potentially a lot more room to the upside. But with no analysts following it, you have to do your own assessment of its future earnings potential. More importantly from a CANSLIM perspective, you presently have no base formation. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:16 AM I've been watching SFC for a while (Tom I think it was on your watch list). I finally think I've decided to dip into it but now I'm afraid it's too extended. Doesn't the chart angle appear awfully steep. Any opinions on this. Disclosure-Just watching......... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Opinion on SFC Date: 05 May 2001 11:00:36 -0600 Besides the fact that it is too low priced - WON always says stick to stuff above $15 a share - I think the buy point was on 3/26, and yes, it does now seem too extended. (I was double checking the $15 a share figure in "24 Essential Lessons for Investment Success", and he points out that the average price of the best performing stocks in the last 45 years is $28 a share.) On 5 May 01, at 0:16, SACADS@aol.com wrote: > I've been watching SFC for a while (Tom I think it was on your watch list). > I finally think I've decided to dip into it but now I'm afraid it's too > extended. Doesn't the chart angle appear awfully steep. Any opinions on > this. > > Disclosure-Just watching......... > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 05 May 2001 10:51:34 -0400 Bought some RYL on what looks like a cup-handle breakout. Volume wasn't explosive but what the heck. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Specialty Labs Date: 05 May 2001 16:01:55 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0D57C.B53E64C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jay, Had you bot it in the short base at 25 I certainly would say to hang on = to it for now. But it is way too extended from any support to consider = buying here. As for IPOs, I believe WON avoids them generally for six months, so this = would fail that test. Personally, I avoid them for a minimum of four = quarterly reports as a public company. Until then, their earnings = reports are all "pro forma", and accountants can do lots of clever = things with the results as a private company to make the new results = look good. Also, as a private company, some of the rules may be = different. As a Sub-Chapter "S" company, for example, there is a = disincentive to make a profit as corp tax rates are higher than = individual ones, so better to pass along any profits as a bonus to the = owners. There is also a tendency for private companies to pay for = things, such as a car to commute to work, that would normally be an = expense of the individual. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jay Oken=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Specialty Labs Has anyone looked at Specialty Labs (SP) yet. I would love to get the = groups opinion. ROE looks a little light but everything else seems to be = O.K. Cup also seems good to me with the left side on light volume, a = capitulation day at the bottom, and right side on higher volume with a = breakout day I would guess to be 5/2. Also, what is the consensus about = it being a recent IPO. =20 Thanks, Jay Oken ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0D57C.B53E64C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jay,
 
Had you bot it in the short base at 25 I certainly = would say=20 to hang on to it for now. But it is way too extended from any support to = consider buying here.
 
As for IPOs, I believe WON avoids them generally for = six=20 months, so this would fail that test. Personally, I avoid them for a = minimum of=20 four quarterly reports as a public company.  Until then, their = earnings=20 reports are all "pro forma", and accountants can do lots of clever = things with=20 the results as a private company to make the new results look good. = Also, as a=20 private company, some of the rules may be different. As a Sub-Chapter = "S"=20 company, for example, there is a disincentive to make a profit as corp = tax rates=20 are higher than individual ones, so better to pass along any profits as = a bonus=20 to the owners. There is also a tendency for private companies to pay for = things,=20 such as a car to commute to work, that would normally be an expense of = the=20 individual.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jay=20 Oken
To: Canslim
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 = 11:07 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Specialty = Labs

Has anyone looked at Specialty Labs = (SP) yet. I=20 would love to get the groups opinion. ROE looks a little light but = everything=20 else seems to be O.K. Cup also seems good to me with the left side on = light=20 volume, a capitulation day at the bottom, and right side on higher = volume with=20 a breakout day I would guess to be 5/2. Also, what is the consensus = about it=20 being a recent IPO.
 
Thanks,
Jay = Oken
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0D57C.B53E64C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part Two Date: 05 May 2001 17:09:36 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0D586.29BC15A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CHUX - B6 HCC - B4 OFIX - upward trending B4 CRT - interesting 8 day wedge down on declining volume LOW - bumping the pivot FFBK - B3 EV - B4 SNV - saucer UCU - B2 CHD - square cup with B5 handle MVBI - rising on moderate vol from B12 OMI - HTF? MCO - B2 CPG - B4 - REIT AME - B6 just under the high RSG - volatile B8 EDS - B2+ handle on a decent cup I noticed a lot of stocks setting up a one week base, which I normally = do not mention. If this persists next week, there could be a far greater = number of watch list candidates. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0D586.29BC15A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CHUX - B6
HCC - B4
OFIX - upward trending B4
CRT - interesting 8 day wedge down on declining=20 volume
LOW - bumping the pivot
FFBK - B3
EV - B4
SNV - saucer
UCU - B2
CHD - square cup with B5 handle
MVBI - rising on moderate vol from B12
OMI - HTF?
MCO - B2
CPG - B4 - REIT
AME - B6 just under the high
RSG - volatile B8
EDS - B2+ handle on a decent cup
 
I noticed a lot of stocks setting up a one week = base, which I=20 normally do not mention. If this persists next week, there could be a = far=20 greater number of watch list candidates.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0D586.29BC15A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SACADS@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part Two Date: 05 May 2001 18:23:44 EDT Tom I really like AME (on your list) chart. EPS 80, RS 81. Chart looks real strong (increasing Moneyflow and OBV). What Connie was divergence (or something like that). Yahoo indicates good steady income growth but it also indicates a heavy debt and a Sell recommendation. Haven't taken the time to read any 10Ks so I won't comment further. Is this sell recommendation for real? If so anyone know where I can find out who wrote it and why. Disclosure-Just lookin - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: AME (was Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part Two) Date: 05 May 2001 18:57:40 -0400 Main problem I see with this one is the earnings forecast. Consensus is up 7% this year (recently decreased) and 13% next year (recently increased). DGO shows debt at 83%, which I would consider heavy for this industry group. You may be able to find the sell recommendation at www.companysleuth.com as they have a number of analysts recommendations available. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 6:23 PM Tom I really like AME (on your list) chart. EPS 80, RS 81. Chart looks real strong (increasing Moneyflow and OBV). What Connie was divergence (or something like that). Yahoo indicates good steady income growth but it also indicates a heavy debt and a Sell recommendation. Haven't taken the time to read any 10Ks so I won't comment further. Is this sell recommendation for real? If so anyone know where I can find out who wrote it and why. Disclosure-Just lookin - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "The Curry's" Subject: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 05 May 2001 20:58:14 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0D5A6.1A175CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to all of you! WON says it's good to have a high percentage of insider ownership . = But it seems I remember someone on this forum saying that if a company = has a high percent of insider ownership plus high percentage of = institutional ownership, there isn't much room for the stock to advance. = From what I can find on alot of the companies on todays watch list, I = see a high percentage of both. So I am confused about float shares as = compared to total shares outstanding. I'm not sure what float shares = are and can't find a definition in WON's books. =20 Here's an example I found using the Yahoo information on EME. It has = 52% insider ownership, institutions 95% (200% of float - 126 = institutions). 10.5M shares outstanding, float 5.00M. First of all, what is the float and how can there be 200% held ? And = is this info telling me that 10.5M shares are available besides the = insider shares? And that the 5.00M float is out of those 10.5 shares? = I am confused as to whether this stock has room to go up in price much = from where it is now.=20 Thanks, Patti=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0D5A6.1A175CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi to all of you!
 
 WON says it's good to have a high = percentage=20 of insider ownership .  But it seems I remember someone on this = forum=20 saying that if a company has a high percent of insider ownership plus = high=20 percentage of institutional ownership, there isn't much room for the = stock to=20 advance.  From what I can find on alot of the companies = on todays=20 watch list, I see a high percentage of both.  So I am confused = about float=20 shares as compared to total shares outstanding.  I'm not sure what = float=20 shares are and can't find a definition in WON's books.  =
 
Here's an example I found using the = Yahoo=20 information on EME.   It has 52% insider ownership, = institutions 95%=20 (200% of float - 126 institutions).   10.5M shares outstanding, = float=20 5.00M.
 
First of all,  what is the = float and how=20 can there be 200% held ?  And is this info  telling me that 10.5M shares are available besides = the insider=20 shares?  And that the 5.00M float is out of those 10.5 = shares?  =20 I am confused as to whether this stock has room to go up in price much = from=20 where it is now. 
 
Thanks, = Patti 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C0D5A6.1A175CC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKutney@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] accounting-huge ask-bid ranges Date: 05 May 2001 22:25:03 EDT --part1_d9.13f7edf7.28260fff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've had the same problem with E-trade. I called their broker after hours and he couldn't enter my trade. He suggested that I try entering the trade online just before the market opened which worked. Steve Kutney --part1_d9.13f7edf7.28260fff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've had the same problem with E-trade. I called their broker after hours and
he couldn't enter my trade. He suggested that I try entering the trade online
just before the market opened which worked.

Steve Kutney --part1_d9.13f7edf7.28260fff_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Lucero" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 05 May 2001 19:49:18 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C0D59C.78D9D490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From DGO: SHARES, FLOATING SUPPLY (IN MILLIONS): Number of shares available to the public and institutions. (Total = capitalization less insider positions and % held by management). If no = figure appears, all shares outstanding are considered to be the floating = supply available for public trading. DGO says 10.4million outstanding, 9 million float, management 13%. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: The Curry's=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 6:58 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Hi to all of you! =20 WON says it's good to have a high percentage of insider ownership . = But it seems I remember someone on this forum saying that if a company = has a high percent of insider ownership plus high percentage of = institutional ownership, there isn't much room for the stock to advance. = From what I can find on alot of the companies on todays watch list, I = see a high percentage of both. So I am confused about float shares as = compared to total shares outstanding. I'm not sure what float shares = are and can't find a definition in WON's books. =20 Here's an example I found using the Yahoo information on EME. It has = 52% insider ownership, institutions 95% (200% of float - 126 = institutions). 10.5M shares outstanding, float 5.00M. First of all, what is the float and how can there be 200% held ? And = is this info telling me that 10.5M shares are available besides the = insider shares? And that the 5.00M float is out of those 10.5 shares? = I am confused as to whether this stock has room to go up in price much = from where it is now.=20 =20 Thanks, Patti=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C0D59C.78D9D490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From=20 DGO:
 
SHARES, FLOATING SUPPLY (IN MILLIONS):
Number of shares available to the public and institutions. (Total = capitalization=20 less insider positions and % held by management). If no figure appears, all shares outstanding are considered to be the floating supply = available=20 for public trading.
 
DGO says 10.4million outstanding, 9 = million float,=20 management 13%.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 The = Curry's
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 = 6:58=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Question = about=20 'float'

Hi to all of you!
 
 WON says it's good to have a = high=20 percentage of insider ownership .  But it seems I remember = someone on=20 this forum saying that if a company has a high percent of insider = ownership=20 plus high percentage of institutional ownership, there isn't much room = for the=20 stock to advance.  From what I can find on alot of the=20 companies on todays watch list, I see a high percentage of both.  = So I am=20 confused about float shares as compared to total shares = outstanding.  I'm=20 not sure what float shares are and can't find a definition in = WON's=20 books. 
 
Here's an example I found using the = Yahoo=20 information on EME.   It has 52% insider ownership, = institutions 95%=20 (200% of float - 126 institutions).   10.5M shares outstanding, = float=20 5.00M.
 
First of all,  what is the = float and=20 how can there be 200% held ?  And is this info  telling me that 10.5M shares are=20 available besides the insider shares?  And that the 5.00M = float is=20 out of those 10.5 shares?   I am confused as to whether this = stock=20 has room to go up in price much from where it is = now. 
 
Thanks,=20 Patti 
------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C0D59C.78D9D490-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CHIC Date: 05 May 2001 23:07:39 EDT Anna: I just read your 5/3 question of CHIC, and here's how I view it: I look at it as a double bottom ("W") with the second up-leg higher than the first. WON has said that these indicate weak double bottom bases because (I suppose) all the weak hands are still holding the stock. So he likes to see the 2nd bottom a bit below the first bottom-not too much, because that (I suppose) would indicate weakness. Notice that the 2nd bottom was on hi declining volume, which indicates distribution and weakness. However, it has risen, and the fundamentals do look nice (Yearly and quarterly earnings, hi ROE, growth rate below PE (which to me says "value"). I believe it is resting as Tom and Earl suggested. I believe it will decline a bit (as it rests), and the support should hold (if it is strong) at about 31.8 (the middle of the "W"). However, even if it declines below that-if it is on very high volume-that means institutions could still be supporting it. On the other hand, if it declines for SEVERAL DAYS on high volume, that means institutions are distributing. How can one tell the difference: I DON'T KNOW-you have to wait for the several days, I guess. Also, check the A/D ratings, and see if they've fallen! (Perhaps, someone out there knows how to distingush distribution from institutional support, and will mention whatever I've overlooked). The 50 DMA is around 29. WON says that if instituions are supporting the stock, they will come in and buy it at the 50 DMA. One way to tell that the institutions support is successful is if the stock falls on high volume, but closes at or above the mid range (high/low). WON also has said, and this makes sense, that if the stock churns on high volume, and does not go down after declining a few days, that means that the big boys are buying all the shares that are being sold. In any event, that's probably one reason why trailing stops (and 8% stops-when you buy) is a good idea. I believe if CHIC does go down on distribution, it will do so because of the market (ie. the institutions believe this is only a bear rally), and not because of the weakness of the stock. jans In a message dated 5/3/2001 9:01:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Anna, I am inclined to agree with Earl. My initial impression after reading your email and looking at the chart was to say, "come on, give the stock a break, it's had five days up from 30, it's entitled to give a little sacrifice to the stock gods". Earl's comments just strengthen that sense. Up/down ratio is still a very healthy 2.1, I would try to watch it closely, but give it some room to roam. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- From: esetser To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CHIC After 5 consecutive up days starting with a strong move up, I feel today was a justified break to take a rest and move with the market. The stock traded quite a bit lower during the day, but finished mid-range. I'm not concerned about today's action, but I would be if the stock moved 2 or 3% lower over the next few days. For now, I'm okay to sit on it and wait for better days. At 02:27 PM 5/3/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, > >what is group's opinion on CHIC? I do not like today's behaviour - it >seems to me it is ready to go down. > >Anna >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Feel the power Date: 05 May 2001 23:24:17 EDT Tracie: HTF is high tight flag. It's on P.157 in WON's 1st CANSLIM book (How To Make Money In Stocks-HTMMIS). OBV is on-balance volume and is a technical indicator where total day volume is multiplied by the stocks up or down close. jans In a message dated 5/4/2001 8:27:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, imtoken@yahoo.com writes: << My husband feels much better now after reading this board. He used to think that he was the only one who had power to move a stock (since a stock would go down right after he bought or go up right after he sold). He is glad to see that others have the same power. Also, for us new members to the board, could someone please tell us what HTF and OBV stand for. Thanks. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 06 May 2001 00:02:56 EDT Patti: Patti: I believe this to be correct: Share outstanding includes insiders (mgt.). The float includes institutions, individuals, etc (so long as they are not considered insiders by the SEC). The float DOES NOT include insiders (mgt.). The percent of shares outstanding (100%) minus the percent of the float (those shares owned by everyone else) =s the percent of insiders (management) who own the stock. I believe that's correct. Isn't it Tom? jans I a message dated 5/5/2001 9:54:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curry2@clnk.com writes: << Hi to all of you! WON says it's good to have a high percentage of insider ownership . But it seems I remember someone on this forum saying that if a company has a high percent of insider ownership plus high percentage of institutional ownership, there isn't much room for the stock to advance. From what I can find on alot of the companies on todays watch list, I see a high percentage of both. So I am confused about float shares as compared to total shares outstanding. I'm not sure what float shares are and can't find a definition in WON's books. Here's an example I found using the Yahoo information on EME. It has 52% insider ownership, institutions 95% (200% of float - 126 institutions). 10.5M shares outstanding, float 5.00M. First of all, what is the float and how can there be 200% held ? And is this info telling me that 10.5M shares are available besides the insider shares? And that the 5.00M float is out of those 10.5 shares? I am confused as to whether this stock has room to go up in price much from where it is now. Thanks, Patti >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Feel the power Date: 05 May 2001 21:03:16 -0700 Actually OBV is a running total: if issue closes up, all volume is added to total and if issue closes down, all volume is is subtracted from total, and if issue is unchanged volume is ignored. The idea was developed by a technician named Joseph Granville in the 60's. The premise is, among others, that accumulation or distribution can be discerned in areas of congestion. In congested area OBV may show increases in value, indicating possible price change in that direction. It may show the opposite, and it may confirm the ambiguity of the congestion area, in periods of divergence, i.e. price going up or down and OBV going down or up, price putting a new high or low in place and being confirmed or not confirmed by OBV. It is my trump card: if there is radical, obvious divergence, I wait. Dan Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > Tracie: > > HTF is high tight flag. It's on P.157 in WON's 1st CANSLIM book (How To > Make Money In Stocks-HTMMIS). > > OBV is on-balance volume and is a technical indicator where total day > volume is multiplied by the stocks up or down close. > > jans > > In a message dated 5/4/2001 8:27:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > imtoken@yahoo.com writes: > > << My husband feels much better now after reading this board. He used to > think that he was the only one who had power to move a stock (since a stock > would go down right after he bought or go up right after he sold). He is glad > to see that others have the same power. > > Also, for us new members to the board, could someone please tell us what HTF > and OBV stand for. > > Thanks. > >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 06 May 2001 04:01:23 -0400 Not correct by DGO's definition. Shares outstanding is the total number of shares issued, less any Treasury stock. DGO reports management ownership as a percent of this number. Shares outstanding is not the same as fully diluted shares, which is used for reporting earnings per share. Fully diluted will add to shares outstanding those shares represented by "in the money" employee stock options, convertible bonds or preferred shares, etc. As Mike reported earlier, the float is the number of shares outstanding minus the shares held by management and insiders. DGO reports the funds ownership as a percentage of this latter number. You cannot add the two percentage numbers, as they are %ages of different quantities. It is important to note that DGO does not give figures for "institutions", only for funds and banks. It is also not clear if "management" includes insiders who are not part of management. Funds ownership, I believe, only counts mutual funds. Other "institutional" ownership, such as pension funds, institutional investors, venture capitalists, etc., is not included. So different websites reporting on "institutional" ownership might mean only mutual funds, both mutual and pension funds, or all institutional holdings. You would have to know the website's precise definition. Sticking to just DGO's definitions: Hypothetical Example: 10,000, issued - this is shares outstanding Management owns 5,000, shares, thus management ownership reported as 50% This leaves 5,000, in the float Funds own 2,500,000 shares, thus funds ownership reported as 50% (meaning 50% of the float) This still leaves 2,500,000 shares available for other institutional buyers, people like us, venture capitalists, etc. I am not familiar with how Yahoo defines some of these terms. I do note that EME has convertible bonds outstanding, if Yahoo is counting the shares thereby represented, they are double counting, and may be part of the confusing numbers, since these shares have not yet been issued and therefore have not yet increased the total number of shares outstanding. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 12:02 AM Patti: Patti: I believe this to be correct: Share outstanding includes insiders (mgt.). The float includes institutions, individuals, etc (so long as they are not considered insiders by the SEC). The float DOES NOT include insiders (mgt.). The percent of shares outstanding (100%) minus the percent of the float (those shares owned by everyone else) =s the percent of insiders (management) who own the stock. I believe that's correct. Isn't it Tom? jans I a message dated 5/5/2001 9:54:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, curry2@clnk.com writes: << Hi to all of you! WON says it's good to have a high percentage of insider ownership . But it seems I remember someone on this forum saying that if a company has a high percent of insider ownership plus high percentage of institutional ownership, there isn't much room for the stock to advance. From what I can find on alot of the companies on todays watch list, I see a high percentage of both. So I am confused about float shares as compared to total shares outstanding. I'm not sure what float shares are and can't find a definition in WON's books. Here's an example I found using the Yahoo information on EME. It has 52% insider ownership, institutions 95% (200% of float - 126 institutions). 10.5M shares outstanding, float 5.00M. First of all, what is the float and how can there be 200% held ? And is this info telling me that 10.5M shares are available besides the insider shares? And that the 5.00M float is out of those 10.5 shares? I am confused as to whether this stock has room to go up in price much from where it is now. Thanks, Patti >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] accounting-huge ask-bid ranges Date: 06 May 2001 04:09:03 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0D5E2.4982ADC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once the markets close at 4 PM, the specialists on listed securities on = both NYSE and AMEX pull their quotes, so all you see for those stocks is = the Pacific Exchange, which trades with a larger spread even during = normal trading, and much larger after that. Once aftermarket trading = commences, the spreads should tighten some, but once that ends, spreads = will again be huge. The same goes for NASDAQ stocks to a slightly lesser = extent.=20 That's why trying to trade outside normal exchange hours is best left to = the day traders with their sophisticated systems, and ability to trade = directly with someone else. At Schwab, I can place an order at any time, = usually very late at night or very early in the morning. If I don't mark = it for after hours trading, it is automatically treated as an order for = regular trading. I have never had a problem placing my orders like this. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SKutney@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] accounting-huge ask-bid ranges I've had the same problem with E-trade. I called their broker after = hours and=20 he couldn't enter my trade. He suggested that I try entering the trade = online=20 just before the market opened which worked.=20 Steve Kutney=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0D5E2.4982ADC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Once the markets close at 4 PM, the specialists on = listed=20 securities on both NYSE and AMEX pull their quotes, so all you see for = those=20 stocks is the Pacific Exchange, which trades with a larger spread even = during=20 normal trading, and much larger after that. Once aftermarket trading = commences,=20 the spreads should tighten some, but once that ends, spreads will again = be huge.=20 The same goes for NASDAQ stocks to a slightly lesser extent. =
 
That's why trying to trade outside normal exchange = hours is=20 best left to the day traders with their sophisticated systems, and = ability to=20 trade directly with someone else. At Schwab, I can place an order at any = time,=20 usually very late at night or very early in the morning. If I don't mark = it for=20 after hours trading, it is automatically treated as an order for regular = trading. I have never had a problem placing my orders like = this.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 SKutney@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 = 10:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = accounting-huge=20 ask-bid ranges

I've had = the same=20 problem with E-trade. I called their broker after hours and
he = couldn't=20 enter my trade. He suggested that I try entering the trade online =
just=20 before the market opened which worked.

Steve Kutney=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0D5E2.4982ADC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 06 May 2001 04:20:38 -0400 My spell checker didn't like the second repetition of "000" and truncated the numbers, so reposting the example with corrections. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:01 AM Hypothetical Example: 10,000,000 issued - this is shares outstanding Management owns 5,000,000 shares, thus management ownership reported as 50% This leaves 5,000,000 in the float Funds own 2,500,000 shares, thus funds ownership reported as 50% (meaning 50% of the float) This still leaves 2,500,000 shares available for other institutional buyers, people like us, venture capitalists, etc. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM candidates at a market bottom Date: 06 May 2001 01:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Now that we can look back SHFL & NVR did really well. 2 out of 6 were fantastic (RLRN nearly 50%) and all are positive. Good Work Kent Norman --- DougC wrote: > If we are at or near a market bottom in any of the > averages I don't think > it's going to make much difference to a CANSLIM > follower anytime soon. Even > if we get a rip roaring followtru this week. I went > through the 2855 in > this weeks DGOindex with six succesive scans. > > 1st Scan GRS>60 EPS>80 RS>80 > Result 283 stocks > > 2nd Scan Fund <16 Debt < 50 > Result 66 stocks > > 3rd Scan GwthRate > 15 Last Qtr > 15 > Result 33 stocks > > 4th Scan Earnings Stability < 25 > Result 23 stocks > > 5th Scan ROE >17 > Result 13 stocks > > 6th Scan '01 Annual Earnings Est. >15% > Result 6 stocks > > The six stocks are: > ALSI CHIC NVR NYCB SHFL WAG > > Not much to get me too excited. I think I'll try > swing trading for the next > three to six months. With options. Using only 10% of > my funds of course. At > least it will give me something to do. ;) > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tracie Oken" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM candidates at a market bottom Date: 06 May 2001 06:34:37 -0700 Dan, How are you scanning for some of the key indicators you mentioned below? I use DGO and haven't found a report that has these elements. Thanks, I would love to scan on these items myself! Tracie ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 1:27 AM > Now that we can look back SHFL & NVR did really well. > 2 out of 6 were fantastic (RLRN nearly 50%) and all > are positive. > > Good Work > > Kent Norman > > --- DougC wrote: > > If we are at or near a market bottom in any of the > > averages I don't think > > it's going to make much difference to a CANSLIM > > follower anytime soon. Even > > if we get a rip roaring followtru this week. I went > > through the 2855 in > > this weeks DGOindex with six succesive scans. > > > > 1st Scan GRS>60 EPS>80 RS>80 > > Result 283 stocks > > > > 2nd Scan Fund <16 Debt < 50 > > Result 66 stocks > > > > 3rd Scan GwthRate > 15 Last Qtr > 15 > > Result 33 stocks > > > > 4th Scan Earnings Stability < 25 > > Result 23 stocks > > > > 5th Scan ROE >17 > > Result 13 stocks > > > > 6th Scan '01 Annual Earnings Est. >15% > > Result 6 stocks > > > > The six stocks are: > > ALSI CHIC NVR NYCB SHFL WAG > > > > Not much to get me too excited. I think I'll try > > swing trading for the next > > three to six months. With options. Using only 10% of > > my funds of course. At > > least it will give me something to do. ;) > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeremy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One Date: 06 May 2001 01:18:32 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0D5CA.7758EB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom - I notice that there is no message of HOTT. Please advise as to = how this stock looks. Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 6:43 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One Full list totals 264, up slightly from last week's 245 and less than I = was expecting. Prior to that it was 195 and 171. It consists of those stocks in the Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) = that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or better. Additionally, = they must have been at or within 5% of the 12 month high during the = prior week. In my review of this overall list, I am only focusing on the = recent chart patterns.=20 This review of the overall list is solely intended to identify stocks = with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, that are = showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal bias against certain industries is ignored in the review. As always, my shorthand notation is Bx where "B" means a "B"ase of "x" = weeks, IMO. LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right, a non-CANSLIM pattern that can work = with CANSLIM using the trend as the base line SKX - HTF??, vol declining ACF - ready to resume the staircase? SDRX - another staircase BZH - b/o Fri on better than 2X ADV from a high handle cup, nice = formation, so much for the Bldg-Resident/Commercial group in a decline? STRC - B1, vol dropping LEN - moving back to the pivot from a B2 on Fri, another = Bldg-Resident/Comm stock USLB - B3, vol dropping RYL - b/o Fri on 2.5X ADV, another Bldg-Resident/Comm group, is there = a pattern here? IGT - B4 UCBH - decent c&h forming, a little unusual for a bank ESI - B2+, base trending up RJR - b/o Fri on 1.4X ADV QUIX - sloppy B4 DME - LLUR PLB - resuming a handle on a flat saucer SIB - LLUR SERO - b/o Fri from a high handle on huge vol MKT - B3+, tight range, vol dropping BWS - uncertain B8, this stock can't make up its mind where it's = headed AAS - B4 below the high STRA - B1+, vol down CORS - B5, below avg volume NFB - B4 EME - B3 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0D5CA.7758EB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom - I notice that there is no message = of=20 HOTT.  Please advise as to how this stock looks.  = Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 = 6:43=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - = Part=20 One

Full list totals 264, up slightly from last week's = 245 and=20 less than I was expecting. Prior to that it was 195 and = 171.
 
It consists of those stocks in the = Daily Graphs=20 books (roughly 2,800) that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or=20 better.  Additionally, they must have been at or within 5% of the = 12=20 month high during the prior week. In my review of this overall list, I = am only=20 focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20
 
This review of the overall list is solely intended = to=20 identify stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON = sourced data,=20 that are showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The = idea is=20 to present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest = they are=20 presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal=20 bias against certain industries is ignored in the=20 review.
 
As always, my shorthand notation is = Bx where=20 "B" means a "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO.
 
LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right, a non-CANSLIM pattern that can = work with=20 CANSLIM using the trend as the base line
 
SKX - HTF??, vol declining
ACF - ready to resume the staircase?
SDRX - another staircase
BZH - b/o Fri on better than 2X ADV from a high = handle cup,=20 nice formation, so much for the Bldg-Resident/Commercial group in a=20 decline?
STRC - B1, vol dropping
LEN - moving back to the pivot from a B2 on Fri, = another=20 Bldg-Resident/Comm stock
USLB - B3, vol dropping
RYL - b/o Fri on 2.5X ADV, another = Bldg-Resident/Comm group,=20 is there a pattern here?
IGT - B4
UCBH - decent c&h forming, a little unusual = for a=20 bank
ESI - B2+, base trending up
RJR - b/o Fri on 1.4X ADV
QUIX - sloppy B4
DME - LLUR
PLB - resuming a handle on a flat = saucer
SIB - LLUR
SERO - b/o Fri from a high handle on huge = vol
MKT  - B3+, tight range, vol = dropping
BWS - uncertain B8, this stock can't make up its = mind where=20 it's headed
AAS - B4 below the high
STRA - B1+, vol down
CORS - B5, below avg volume
NFB - B4
EME - B3
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0D5CA.7758EB00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM candidates at a market bottom Date: 06 May 2001 07:45:01 -0700 Tracie, My primary software is Metastock. On Balance Volume is one of many indicators that is included with it. I have symbols in subdirecories that I scan for various indicators. I add and delete symbols all the time for viewing and scanning. My source for symbols is varied , this list is one. Much of what I look for for indication of internal, technical strength or weakness is not addressed by CANSLIM per se. Dan Tracie Oken wrote: > Dan, > > How are you scanning for some of the key indicators you mentioned below? I > use DGO and haven't found a report that has these elements. > > Thanks, I would love to scan on these items myself! > > Tracie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Norman" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 1:27 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM candidates at a market bottom > > > Now that we can look back SHFL & NVR did really well. > > 2 out of 6 were fantastic (RLRN nearly 50%) and all > > are positive. > > > > Good Work > > > > Kent Norman > > > > --- DougC wrote: > > > If we are at or near a market bottom in any of the > > > averages I don't think > > > it's going to make much difference to a CANSLIM > > > follower anytime soon. Even > > > if we get a rip roaring followtru this week. I went > > > through the 2855 in > > > this weeks DGOindex with six succesive scans. > > > > > > 1st Scan GRS>60 EPS>80 RS>80 > > > Result 283 stocks > > > > > > 2nd Scan Fund <16 Debt < 50 > > > Result 66 stocks > > > > > > 3rd Scan GwthRate > 15 Last Qtr > 15 > > > Result 33 stocks > > > > > > 4th Scan Earnings Stability < 25 > > > Result 23 stocks > > > > > > 5th Scan ROE >17 > > > Result 13 stocks > > > > > > 6th Scan '01 Annual Earnings Est. >15% > > > Result 6 stocks > > > > > > The six stocks are: > > > ALSI CHIC NVR NYCB SHFL WAG > > > > > > Not much to get me too excited. I think I'll try > > > swing trading for the next > > > three to six months. With options. Using only 10% of > > > my funds of course. At > > > least it will give me something to do. ;) > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 06 May 2001 10:49:09 EDT Tom: Thanks. And thanks for adding comments on Treasury Stock and fully diluted shares. In a message dated 5/6/2001 4:06:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Not correct by DGO's definition. Shares outstanding is the total number of shares issued, less any Treasury stock. DGO reports management ownership as a percent of this number. Shares outstanding is not the same as fully diluted shares, which is used for reporting earnings per share. Fully diluted will add to shares outstanding those shares represented by "in the money" employee stock options, convertible bonds or preferred shares, etc.... >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One Date: 06 May 2001 10:52:31 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0D61A.A6C07B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was on the full list from DGO, but the chart didn't grab me, so I = didn't include it. It declined the past two days, but on well under ADV. So if you own it, = you are likely still ok, but should watch it closely. Remember that when I do this review, I am only looking at the chart, not = the symbol or the fundies. And usually only the latest six months of the = chart. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeremy Kaufman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One Tom - I notice that there is no message of HOTT. Please advise as to = how this stock looks. Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 6:43 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One Full list totals 264, up slightly from last week's 245 and less than = I was expecting. Prior to that it was 195 and 171. It consists of those stocks in the Daily Graphs books (roughly = 2,800) that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or better. = Additionally, they must have been at or within 5% of the 12 month high = during the prior week. In my review of this overall list, I am only = focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20 This review of the overall list is solely intended to identify = stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, = that are showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is = to present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they = are presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal bias against certain industries is ignored in the review. =20 As always, my shorthand notation is Bx where "B" means a "B"ase of = "x" weeks, IMO. LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right, a non-CANSLIM pattern that can work = with CANSLIM using the trend as the base line =20 SKX - HTF??, vol declining ACF - ready to resume the staircase? SDRX - another staircase BZH - b/o Fri on better than 2X ADV from a high handle cup, nice = formation, so much for the Bldg-Resident/Commercial group in a decline? STRC - B1, vol dropping LEN - moving back to the pivot from a B2 on Fri, another = Bldg-Resident/Comm stock USLB - B3, vol dropping RYL - b/o Fri on 2.5X ADV, another Bldg-Resident/Comm group, is = there a pattern here? IGT - B4 UCBH - decent c&h forming, a little unusual for a bank ESI - B2+, base trending up RJR - b/o Fri on 1.4X ADV QUIX - sloppy B4 DME - LLUR PLB - resuming a handle on a flat saucer SIB - LLUR SERO - b/o Fri from a high handle on huge vol MKT - B3+, tight range, vol dropping BWS - uncertain B8, this stock can't make up its mind where it's = headed AAS - B4 below the high STRA - B1+, vol down CORS - B5, below avg volume NFB - B4 EME - B3 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0D61A.A6C07B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It was on the full list from DGO, but the chart = didn't grab=20 me, so I didn't include it.
 
It declined the past two days, but on well under = ADV. So if=20 you own it, you are likely still ok, but should watch it = closely.
 
Remember that when I do this review, I am only = looking at the=20 chart, not the symbol or the fundies. And usually only the latest six = months of=20 the chart.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeremy=20 Kaufman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 3:18 = AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List = - Part=20 One

Tom - I notice that there is no = message of=20 HOTT.  Please advise as to how this stock looks. =20 Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM=20
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 = 6:43=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - = Part=20 One

Full list totals 264, up slightly from last = week's 245 and=20 less than I was expecting. Prior to that it was 195 and = 171.
 
It consists of those stocks in = the Daily=20 Graphs books (roughly 2,800) that as of Friday had both RS and EPS = of 80 or=20 better.  Additionally, they must have been at or within 5% of = the 12=20 month high during the prior week. In my review of this overall list, = I am=20 only focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20
 
This review of the overall list is solely = intended to=20 identify stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON = sourced=20 data, that are showing some kind of constructive chart = formation. The=20 idea is to present some candidates for member's watch list, not to = suggest=20 they are presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been = done. My own=20 personal bias against certain industries is ignored = in the=20 review.
 
As always, my shorthand notation = is Bx where=20 "B" means a "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO.
 
LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right, a non-CANSLIM pattern that can = work with=20 CANSLIM using the trend as the base line
 
SKX - HTF??, vol declining
ACF - ready to resume the = staircase?
SDRX - another staircase
BZH - b/o Fri on better than 2X ADV from a high = handle=20 cup, nice formation, so much for the Bldg-Resident/Commercial group = in a=20 decline?
STRC - B1, vol dropping
LEN - moving back to the pivot from a B2 on Fri, = another=20 Bldg-Resident/Comm stock
USLB - B3, vol dropping
RYL - b/o Fri on 2.5X ADV, another = Bldg-Resident/Comm=20 group, is there a pattern here?
IGT - B4
UCBH - decent c&h forming, a little unusual = for a=20 bank
ESI - B2+, base trending up
RJR - b/o Fri on 1.4X ADV
QUIX - sloppy B4
DME - LLUR
PLB - resuming a handle on a flat = saucer
SIB - LLUR
SERO - b/o Fri from a high handle on huge = vol
MKT  - B3+, tight range, vol = dropping
BWS - uncertain B8, this stock can't make up its = mind=20 where it's headed
AAS - B4 below the high
STRA - B1+, vol down
CORS - B5, below avg volume
NFB - B4
EME - B3
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0D61A.A6C07B60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "The Curry's" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 06 May 2001 11:10:56 -0500 Thank you, Mike, Jans and Tom for your helpful info. I still can't see how institutions can own more than 100% of the float. In the case of EME it said 200%. How am I to interpret this? Also, how much institutional ownership is too much? Thanks, Patti ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 3:20 AM > My spell checker didn't like the second repetition of "000" and > truncated the numbers, so reposting the example with corrections. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:01 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' > > > Hypothetical Example: > 10,000,000 issued - this is shares outstanding > Management owns 5,000,000 shares, thus management ownership > reported as 50% > This leaves 5,000,000 in the float > Funds own 2,500,000 shares, thus funds ownership reported as 50% > (meaning 50% of the float) > This still leaves 2,500,000 shares available for other > institutional buyers, people like us, venture capitalists, etc. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 06 May 2001 12:51:29 -0400 Hi Patti, Obviously, no one, institutionals included, can own more than 100% of the float. I must assume that Yahoo is counting the unissued shares that would be issued in the future if the convertible bonds were converted into common stock. As I said, this would be double counting, as these shares are unissued as of yet, and thus not a part of the countable float. As for a desirable percentage ownership by "institutionals", I cannot give you an answer as institutionals covers a wide range of entities, including not only mutual funds, but also pension funds, venture capitalists, insurance companies, banks, and high net worth individual investors. I only consider mutual funds, as that is a quantified number at DGO even if the data is stale, and only like 0-10% ownership of the float. Lately I have started using companysleuth to examine the rest of the institutional ownership, and tend to favor those stocks where I find a venture capitalist with a large position that I have already found present in numerous other stocks I like. As to how to interpret Yahoo's claim of 200% ownership by institutionals, I would suggest either disregarding it or writing Yahoo and pointing out how stupid their figure is. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 12:10 PM Thank you, Mike, Jans and Tom for your helpful info. I still can't see how institutions can own more than 100% of the float. In the case of EME it said 200%. How am I to interpret this? Also, how much institutional ownership is too much? Thanks, Patti ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 3:20 AM > My spell checker didn't like the second repetition of "000" and > truncated the numbers, so reposting the example with corrections. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:01 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' > > > Hypothetical Example: > 10,000,000 issued - this is shares outstanding > Management owns 5,000,000 shares, thus management ownership > reported as 50% > This leaves 5,000,000 in the float > Funds own 2,500,000 shares, thus funds ownership reported as 50% > (meaning 50% of the float) > This still leaves 2,500,000 shares available for other > institutional buyers, people like us, venture capitalists, etc. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Oken" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 06 May 2001 12:35:42 -0700 I also recently saw a stock, on DG's datablock, where the ownership was about 150% when you added up institutions, banks and management. As Tom mentions this is obviously wrong. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:51 AM > Hi Patti, > > Obviously, no one, institutionals included, can own more than > 100% of the float. I must assume that Yahoo is counting the > unissued shares that would be issued in the future if the > convertible bonds were converted into common stock. As I said, > this would be double counting, as these shares are unissued as of > yet, and thus not a part of the countable float. > > As for a desirable percentage ownership by "institutionals", I > cannot give you an answer as institutionals covers a wide range > of entities, including not only mutual funds, but also pension > funds, venture capitalists, insurance companies, banks, and high > net worth individual investors. I only consider mutual funds, as > that is a quantified number at DGO even if the data is stale, and > only like 0-10% ownership of the float. > > Lately I have started using companysleuth to examine the rest of > the institutional ownership, and tend to favor those stocks where > I find a venture capitalist with a large position that I have > already found present in numerous other stocks I like. > > As to how to interpret Yahoo's claim of 200% ownership by > institutionals, I would suggest either disregarding it or writing > Yahoo and pointing out how stupid their figure is. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: The Curry's > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' > > > Thank you, Mike, Jans and Tom for your helpful info. I still > can't see > how institutions can own more than 100% of the float. In the > case of EME it > said 200%. How am I to interpret this? Also, how much > institutional > ownership is too much? > > Thanks, Patti > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Worley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 3:20 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' > > > > My spell checker didn't like the second repetition of "000" and > > truncated the numbers, so reposting the example with > corrections. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Worley > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' > > > > > > Hypothetical Example: > > 10,000,000 issued - this is shares outstanding > > Management owns 5,000,000 shares, thus management ownership > > reported as 50% > > This leaves 5,000,000 in the float > > Funds own 2,500,000 shares, thus funds ownership reported as > 50% > > (meaning 50% of the float) > > This still leaves 2,500,000 shares available for other > > institutional buyers, people like us, venture capitalists, etc. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 06 May 2001 16:04:46 EDT Jay: As I understand the whole float/shares-outstanding issue: Shares outstanding takes in the shares held by insiders/management. Meanwhile float takes in the shares held by funds, banks, and individuals (who are not management). Thus, the funds that hold, hold a percentage of the float (this figure is given in DG-Online). The same goes for banks. The remaining % of the float is held by individuals. What DG-Online gives as the percentage of management that holds the stock, comes from the shares outstanding, not from the float. That's why it seems that more than 100% of the stock is being sold: The funds, banks and individuals who are not management have a % of the Float; the management, though, has a % of Shares Outstanding. For exp: a stock has 100 Million Shares outstanding, and a 75 Million float. DG-Online says funds compose 25% of the float, and banks compose another 25% of the float. That means that together they own 50% of the float (or 37.5 Million shares). Therefore, individuals must own the other 37.5 Million shares of the float (or 50% of the float). Meanwhile, DG-Online says management (I understand this to mean "insiders") owns 25%-this 25% is taken as a percent of the shares outstanding, not the float. Thus, this ='s 25 Million shares. Together funds+ banks+individuals+management own 100% of the shares (or 100 Million Shares). If only the float were considered, then it would look like 125% had been sold. jans In a message dated 5/6/2001 3:36:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, imjoken@mindspring.com writes: << I also recently saw a stock, on DG's datablock, where the ownership was about 150% when you added up institutions, banks and management. As Tom mentions this is obviously wrong. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SACADS@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: AAS- Short interest Date: 06 May 2001 21:18:44 EDT Anyone know if WON talks or has an opinion on short interest? Though I realize that many issues have "heavy" short interests is there some type of limit I should be looking for. Still trying to find that "perfect" candidate. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' Date: 06 May 2001 18:36:14 -0700 (PDT) How about this one - Since funds are slow to report ownership, sometimes many weeks- perhaps at that time they had that many share that have since passed to others. Thus the apparent 150%. Just guessing Kent Norman --- The Curry's wrote: > Thank you, Mike, Jans and Tom for your helpful info. > I still can't see > how institutions can own more than 100% of the > float. In the case of EME it > said 200%. How am I to interpret this? Also, how > much institutional > ownership is too much? > > Thanks, Patti > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Worley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 3:20 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' > > > > My spell checker didn't like the second repetition > of "000" and > > truncated the numbers, so reposting the example > with corrections. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tom Worley > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 4:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question about 'float' > > > > > > Hypothetical Example: > > 10,000,000 issued - this is shares outstanding > > Management owns 5,000,000 shares, thus management > ownership > > reported as 50% > > This leaves 5,000,000 in the float > > Funds own 2,500,000 shares, thus funds ownership > reported as 50% > > (meaning 50% of the float) > > This still leaves 2,500,000 shares available for > other > > institutional buyers, people like us, venture > capitalists, etc. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Fenner" Subject: [CANSLIM] WON's Open Letter Date: 06 May 2001 20:50:51 -0500 I'm a lurker for a year or so now, so I'm familiar enough with the group to be surprised no one has commented on Billy J's letter on page A9 of IBD's May 7 edition. Is this his official "the bear market's over" column, that he plans to take credit for later? Sure seems like it. I also noticed his Return On Equity (ROE) requirement in Rule 1 has dropped from "20% to 50%" in my edition of 24 Lessons to the 17%+ in Monday's column. Finally, IBD's website now offers both daily and weekly charts for stocks, which is pretty darned nice. Is anyone considering dropping DGO and going strictly with IBD's charts? Mark Fenner ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:18 PM > Anyone know if WON talks or has an opinion on short interest? Though I > realize that many issues have "heavy" short interests is there some type of > limit I should be looking for. > > Still trying to find that "perfect" candidate. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Barry Marx" Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD's 20 Rules scan Date: 07 May 2001 01:03:40 -0400 At the bottom of the page below WON's recent open letter is presented IBD's 20 Rules for Stock Market Success. The first three rules are paraphrased below: 1. Choose stocks with each of the last 3 years' earnings up 25% or more, return on equity of 17%+ and recent earnings and sales accelerating. 2. Recent quarter earnings and sales should be up 25% of more 3. Avoid cheap stocks. Buy stock selling for at least $15 a share. I've attempted to incorporate the above rules into a Quotes Plus scan, and have included the most important lines below to give an indication of how I approached it ------------------ I'm posting this to the CANSLIM list rather than the Quotes Plus list, because my question has to do with whether I'm correctly interpreting the above 3 rules. ------------------ WARNING: Non-proprammers may want to skip to the bottom of the post if you just want to see the result of the scan, and skip the gory details. ------------------ Note: qtreps() is function the returns the EPS for a particular quarter, with 0 as an argument for the most recent quarter, -1 for the next most recent quarter, and so on. The qtrrev() function works the same way for the companies revenue values. // These four variable were set up just to store each of the last four years total earnings yr0eps := qtreps(0) + qtreps(-1) + qtreps(-2) + qtreps(-3); yr1eps := qtreps(-4) + qtreps(-5) + qtreps(-6) + qtreps(-7); yr2eps := qtreps(-8) + qtreps(-9) + qtreps(-10) + qtreps(-11); yr3eps := qtreps(-12) + qtreps(-13) + qtreps(-14) + qtreps(-15); // price at least $15 a share If (close(0) >= 15) then // last 3 years' earnings up 25% or more if (yr0eps >= 1.25*yr1eps) and (yr1eps >= 1.25*yr2eps) and (yr2eps >= 1.25*yr3eps) // recent quarterly earnings and sales up 25% or more and (qtreps(0)/qtreps(-4) >= 1.25) and (qtrrev(0)/qtrrev(-4) >= 1.25) // recent quarterly earnings and sales accelerating and qtreps(0)/qtreps(-4) > qtreps(-1)/qtreps(-5) and qtreps(-1)/qtreps(-5) > qtreps(-2)/qtreps(-6) and qtrrev(0)/qtrrev(-4) > qtrrev(-1)/qtrrev(-5) and qtrrev(-1)/qtrrev(-5) > qtrrev(-2)/qtrrev(-6) // return on equity at least 17% and (roe > 17) then println symbol, ", ", description:-30, ", ",IndustryGroup:8 endif; endif; For the programmers in the group, does the above code seem to match the intent of the first 3 rules listed above? If not, any comments would be appreciated. As written above, the scan returns only ten stock from the QP database. They are: ACF, AMERICREDIT CORP COM , Fin-Consum/Bus Loans ACRT, ACTRADE FINL TECHNOLOGIES LT COM, Fin-Misc Services* BA, BOEING CO COM , Aerospace-Defense CHKP, CHECK POINT SOFTWARE TECH LT ORD, Comp-Security* CPN, CALPINE CORP COM , Energy-Alternatives MND, MITCHELL ENERGY & DEV CORP CL A, Oil/Gas-U S Explo/Prod+ RYL, RYLAND GROUP INC COM , Bldg-Resident/Commrcl+ SKX, SKECHERS U S A INC CL A , Retail-Apparel/Shoe* SPF, STANDARD PAC CORP NEW COM , Bldg-Resident/Commrcl+ TARO, TARO PHARMACEUTICAL INDS LTD ORD PAR IL 100, Health-Drugs Generic* Thanks for your comments, Barry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WON's Open Letter Date: 06 May 2001 23:05:58 -0700 I don't get the weekly charts that are new. They appear to cover more than a week but it is hard to tell. Pretty hard for me to use a weekly chart. what would one do with it? Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:50 PM > I'm a lurker for a year or so now, so I'm familiar enough with the group to > be surprised no one has commented on Billy J's letter on page A9 of IBD's > May 7 edition. Is this his official "the bear market's over" column, that he > plans to take credit for later? Sure seems like it. > > I also noticed his Return On Equity (ROE) requirement in Rule 1 has dropped > from "20% to 50%" in my edition of 24 Lessons to the 17%+ in Monday's > column. > > Finally, IBD's website now offers both daily and weekly charts for stocks, > which is pretty darned nice. Is anyone considering dropping DGO and going > strictly with IBD's charts? > > Mark Fenner > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:18 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: AAS- Short interest > > > > Anyone know if WON talks or has an opinion on short interest? Though I > > realize that many issues have "heavy" short interests is there some type > of > > limit I should be looking for. > > > > Still trying to find that "perfect" candidate. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: [CANSLIM] earningswhispers.com Date: 07 May 2001 07:16:38 -0500 In the past the web site earningswhispers.com has been mentioned in this list. There is an informative article about this site and how it develops the earnings whisper numbers. You can read the article at http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7BFD1D0434%2DC74C%2D4A0F%2D8 F0F%2D7D8BEAAAF515%7D&siteid=mktw Norman Boyd theboyd@tisd.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD's 20 Rules scan Date: 07 May 2001 08:22:02 -0600 I have QP, I can't see anything wrong with it. Personally I think the 3 year requirement is going to screen out too many stocks, but you can write other scans that get stocks with a shorter earnings history (I'm thinking of stuff like JNPR and BRCD during the last leg up in 1999). On 7 May 01, at 1:03, Barry Marx wrote: > At the bottom of the page below WON's recent open letter is presented IBD's > 20 Rules for Stock Market Success. The first three rules are paraphrased > below: > > 1. Choose stocks with each of the last 3 years' earnings up 25% or more, > return on equity of 17%+ and recent earnings and sales accelerating. > 2. Recent quarter earnings and sales should be up 25% of more > 3. Avoid cheap stocks. Buy stock selling for at least $15 a share. > > I've attempted to incorporate the above rules into a Quotes Plus scan, and > have included the most important lines below to give an indication of how I > approached it > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > I'm posting this to the CANSLIM list rather than the Quotes Plus list, > because my question has to do with whether I'm correctly interpreting the > above 3 rules. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > WARNING: Non-proprammers may want to skip to the bottom of the post if you > just want to see the result of the scan, and skip the gory details. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > > Note: qtreps() is function the returns the EPS for a particular quarter, > with 0 as an argument for the most recent quarter, -1 for the next most > recent quarter, and so on. The qtrrev() function works the same way for the > companies revenue values. > > // These four variable were set up just to store each of the last four years > total earnings > yr0eps := qtreps(0) + qtreps(-1) + qtreps(-2) + qtreps(-3); > yr1eps := qtreps(-4) + qtreps(-5) + qtreps(-6) + qtreps(-7); > yr2eps := qtreps(-8) + qtreps(-9) + qtreps(-10) + qtreps(-11); > yr3eps := qtreps(-12) + qtreps(-13) + qtreps(-14) + qtreps(-15); > > // price at least $15 a share > If (close(0) >= 15) then > > // last 3 years' earnings up 25% or more > if (yr0eps >= 1.25*yr1eps) and (yr1eps >= 1.25*yr2eps) and (yr2eps >= > 1.25*yr3eps) > > // recent quarterly earnings and sales up 25% or more > and (qtreps(0)/qtreps(-4) >= 1.25) > and (qtrrev(0)/qtrrev(-4) >= 1.25) > > // recent quarterly earnings and sales accelerating > and qtreps(0)/qtreps(-4) > qtreps(-1)/qtreps(-5) > and qtreps(-1)/qtreps(-5) > qtreps(-2)/qtreps(-6) > and qtrrev(0)/qtrrev(-4) > qtrrev(-1)/qtrrev(-5) > and qtrrev(-1)/qtrrev(-5) > qtrrev(-2)/qtrrev(-6) > > // return on equity at least 17% > and (roe > 17) > then > println symbol, ", ", description:-30, ", ",IndustryGroup:8 > endif; > endif; > > For the programmers in the group, does the above code seem to match the > intent of the first 3 rules listed above? If not, any comments would be > appreciated. > > As written above, the scan returns only ten stock from the QP database. > They are: > > ACF, AMERICREDIT CORP COM , Fin-Consum/Bus Loans > ACRT, ACTRADE FINL TECHNOLOGIES LT COM, Fin-Misc Services* > BA, BOEING CO COM , Aerospace-Defense > CHKP, CHECK POINT SOFTWARE TECH LT ORD, Comp-Security* > CPN, CALPINE CORP COM , Energy-Alternatives > MND, MITCHELL ENERGY & DEV CORP CL A, Oil/Gas-U S Explo/Prod+ > RYL, RYLAND GROUP INC COM , Bldg-Resident/Commrcl+ > SKX, SKECHERS U S A INC CL A , Retail-Apparel/Shoe* > SPF, STANDARD PAC CORP NEW COM , Bldg-Resident/Commrcl+ > TARO, TARO PHARMACEUTICAL INDS LTD ORD PAR IL 100, Health-Drugs Generic* > > > Thanks for your comments, > Barry > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SCOTT COOPER Subject: [CANSLIM] off subject but looking for advice Date: 07 May 2001 10:32:25 -0500 I am thinking about attending the 13 the Annual Las Vegas money show and On line investment show May 14-17 The question is has anybody attended before and is it informative and useful or just sale of programs. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis Date: 07 May 2001 10:48:04 -0600 --Message-Boundary-21361 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body I wouldn't say that quite qualifies, a flag should form after a price gain, although you have the right idea. I figured out how to reduce my 330k JPEGs that Metastock produces to something manageable, so I included a GIF file that has an example of my idea of a flag, Pixel Works (PXLW) a week or so ago. On 7 May 01, at 10:59, asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Thank you all for the discussion on HTF. I am wondering if someone could > post a picture of a HTF. > > I was looking at ALLY (3rd week of march) but I just don't see it. > I have attached a picture of I am guessing was HTF. Is it correct? If this > is correct than the break out was on very low volume. This can't be > right., can it? > > Thank you for your help. > > (See attached file: ally.gif) > > Anna --Message-Boundary-21361 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-disposition: inline Content-description: Attachment information. The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: pxlw.gif Date: 7 May 2001, 10:42 Size: 18709 bytes. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis Date: 07 May 2001 09:24:59 -0700 You are a bit early. The HTF according to Ian Woodward was the 3 days following your red line and the subsequent breakout was on very hvy vol the following week, the 1st or 2nd blue bar over the "21" of 3/21 on your chart.. At 10:59 AM 5/7/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >Thank you all for the discussion on HTF. I am wondering if someone could >post a picture of a HTF. > >I was looking at ALLY (3rd week of march) but I just don't see it. >I have attached a picture of I am guessing was HTF. Is it correct? If this >is correct than the break out was on very low volume. This can't be >right., can it? > >Thank you for your help. > >(See attached file: ally.gif) > >Anna Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 07 May 2001 09:36:36 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D713.8E2DD936 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Tom. When the left side is forming, is it healthy for the price decrease to be accompanied by extremely high volume? What should the volume look like when the left side is forming? Nancy -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:56 PM The most healthy left side of a cup is one you are out of and watching. (or have shorted after exiting your long position with a huge gain) If still holding long, then a healthy left side is one that rallies and gets you the chance to recover some of the money you had lost, and exit, before you lose more. As to "signs", if a stock is forming a cup, the smoother the better. The depth of the cup matters, so you prefer to see the bottom of the cup only giving up 25% or less of the prior leg up (unless you are short). It's also good to see a capitulation day late in the bottom of the cup. I personally also prefer to see a smooth right side of the cup, but with light volume. This confirms to me that the weak holders were mostly shook out by the capitulation day in the bottom. And there won't be so many profit takers who bot on the right side of the cup by the time it builds a handle. And, finally, of course, you want to see it build a handle nicely, drooping slightly and volume decreasing as it extends to the right. Then all you have to do is watch it to be sure when it breaks, it breaks upward, and on 1.5X or more of ADV. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:27 PM When the left side of a cup begins to form and there are a few occasions where the price decreases on above ADV, is that a bad sign even though the stock closes nearer to its intraday high than its intraday low? Please explain a healthy left side in relation to price/volume. Grazie. Nancy "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/04/01 10:26:18 -- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. 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Thanks, Tom.  When the left side is forming, is it healthy for the price decrease to be accompanied by extremely high volume?
What should the volume look like when the left side is forming?
Nancy 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:56 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup

The most healthy left side of a cup is one you are out of and watching. (or have shorted after exiting your long position with a huge gain)
 
If still holding long, then a healthy left side is one that rallies and gets you the chance to recover some of the money you had lost, and exit, before you lose more.
 
As to "signs", if a stock is forming a cup, the smoother the better. The depth of the cup matters, so you prefer to see the bottom of the cup only giving up 25% or less of the prior leg up (unless you are short). It's also good to see a capitulation day late in the bottom of the cup. I personally also prefer to see a smooth right side of the cup, but with light volume. This confirms to me that the weak holders were mostly shook out by the capitulation day in the bottom. And there won't be so many profit takers who bot on the right side of the cup by the time it builds a handle.
 
And, finally, of course, you want to see it build a handle nicely, drooping slightly and volume decreasing as it extends to the right.
 
Then all you have to do is watch it to be sure when it breaks, it breaks upward, and on 1.5X or more of ADV.
 
 
 
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Subject: [CANSLIM] left side of cup

When the left side of a cup begins to form and there are a few occasions where the price decreases on above ADV, is that a bad sign even though the stock closes nearer to its  intraday high than its intraday low?

Please explain a healthy left side in relation to price/volume.


Grazie.
Nancy

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I think these Money shows are decent.  My suggestion is attend the
'freebies'; glean what you can from the celebs but dont get caught up in all
the hype.  Another thought is that they can nickel and dime you on 'special'
feature presentations for which they charge additional $.  Pass em by...you
wont miss anything.

In general, you can pick up a fair amount of useful information.  Big problem
is ....there is far too much of it.

Good Luck (inludes the tables if you're so inclined)!

Denny

--part1_21.b500cc3.28282da6_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis + EPIQ article Date: 07 May 2001 14:49:58 -0400 --0__=85256A4500670E058f9e8a93df938690918c85256A4500670E05 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you Tim and Patric. Thank you everyone for your inputs on CHIC - I will write a bit more on the topic later. For all EPIQ followers you may want to take a look at this: http://www.thestreet.com/funds/investing/1417212.html EPIQ is getting public attention now - this should pave the road to the next wave of price advances. (I have attached the article) Three Stocks for the Lean Times (Embedded image moved to file: pic18737.gif)By James Brookes-Avey Special to TheStreet.com 5/5/01 10:30 AM ET With everybody happy all of a sudden about the prospects for the market and the economy, what's an unreconstructed bear to do? Well, you can start by doing your homework and looking for stocks that will thrive in an economic rough patch. In fact, I've done some homework of my own, digging up three stocks that looked poised for strong performance. And if the economy turns south, they'll do even better. Banking on Bankruptcy Little-known Epiq Systems (EPIQ:Nasdaq - news) of Kansas City, Kan., is one company whose business model seems assured to benefit from a decelerating economy. Through an exclusive marketing alliance with Bank of America (BAC:NYSE - news), Epiq provides proprietary case management software to Chapter 7 (liquidation) personal bankruptcy trustees for free. In return, Epiq receives recurring revenue based, in part, upon a percentage of total deposited funds managed by each trustee during asset liquidation. Such deposit accounts can last for years, and the company has trustee relationships with $800 million of the estimated $3 billion worth of Chapter 7 assets managed at any one time. Similarly, Epiq's CasePower software is used by Chapter 13 (repayment plan) trustees and earns fees based on the number of cases trustees manage. Such monthly recurring revenue streams offer excellent earnings visibility going forward (another Epiq division helps corporate clients, like credit-card issuer Visa, secure, format and route business-critical data files). Chairman and CEO Thom Olofson, along with his son, Chris, the president and COO, have delivered steady growth, with revenue, net income and earnings per share all improving yearly since Epiq's low-profile 1997 IPO. Niche-oriented and thinly traded, Epiq remains largely unknown to investors. Yet it has consistently delivered robust growth, with top- and bottom-line three-year combined annual growth rates of 40% and 33%, respectively, based mostly on its bread-and-butter Chapter 7 software. Last year 1.25 million bankruptcies were filed, 70% of those under Chapter 7, and a slowing economy should precipitate more such filings. Epiq ranked 83rd on Forbes "200 Best Small Companies" list and ended 2000 with record revenue of $23.3 million, up 57% over the previous year's results. Net income ($2.6 million) and earnings per share (55 cents) were also records and surpassed their year-ago benchmarks by 43% and 45%, respectively. But the recent passage of the Bankruptcy Reform Act, the largest overhaul of the federal bankruptcy system in nearly 25 years, may cloud Epiq's immediate future. By tightening Chapter 7 filing requirements and shifting people into more onerous Chapter 13 settlements, the new law could alter Epiq's revenue mix. The strategy of pursuing Chapter 7 trustee market share served Epiq well; adjusting to lower-margin, document-intensive Chapter 13 work may prove challenging. However, Sue Johnson, Epiq's investor relations manager, argues that it may actually improve the company's earnings as it would replace so-called no-asset Chapter 7 liquidations with fee-producing Chapter 13 cases. Time will tell. Epiq's stock has had a smart run-up of late, more than doubling since the beginning of the year alone, and the company sports a lofty trailing price-to-earnings ratio of 68, but the stock still looks like a solid long-term buy. Starting Over or Starting Out Meeting the needs of those newly laid off, downsized, starting over or just plain starting out, is Rent-A-Center (RCII:Nasdaq - news). Based in Plano, Texas, Rent-A-Center is the leading operator in the rent-to-own market for items like televisions and refrigerators with 2,174 company-owned stores and through its ColorTyme subsidiary, 365 franchised units. Regardless of the Fed's interest-rate moves, the Nasdaq's convolutions or changes in the job market, people will always need their "stuff," and ways must be found to provide for it. Rent-A-Center caters to people with little or no credit, providing flexible rental-purchase agreements offering eventual ownership of modern household essentials (TVs, refrigerators, washer-dryers, computers, etc.) from high-quality brand names like Sony, Whirlpool and Dell. Rentals of home electronics account for 40% of the company's revenue, furniture and accessories 30%, appliances and computers 18% and 10%, respectively. Charge-offs from unrecoverable merchandise account for a mere 2.5% of revenue -- proving once again that the most conscientious bill payers are often those who have very little. Following a string of recent acquisitions, involving some 60 separate transactions, Rent-A-Center has emerged as the dominant player in this industry, with a 27% market share measured by store count. Serving a market estimated at 3.3 million U.S. households that are largely ignored by traditional retailers has paid off: Rent-A-Center boasts three-year combined annual growth rates in sales and earnings per share of 81% and 34%, respectively. Return on equity is 39% and gross margins are exceptional, standing at 92%. Rent-A-Center delivered record sales and net earnings in 2000 and seems likely to benefit from any continued economic uncertainty. Yet one price of the company's rapid growth has been a spate of lawsuits, some by former employees alleging gender and race discrimination. Peter Bates, vice president of finance, acknowledges this is terrible publicity for the company, but insists such complaints stem from disgruntled employees absorbed during acquisitions and subsequently laid off for underperformance. Investors should keep a wary eye on this matter because any legal judgment against the company could wreak havoc with earnings and seriously alienate the very customer base it has sought to cultivate. Rent-A-Center's shares closed at $39.75 Friday, up about 9% this year. The stock sports a trailing P/E of 13. Come Back to the Five & Dime At first glance, discount general merchandise retailers like Dollar Tree (DLTR :Nasdaq - news), 99 Cents Only (NDN:NYSE - news) and Family Dollar (FDO:NYSE - news) would seem like obvious beneficiaries for lean times. As their names imply, they appeal to price-conscious consumers. Yet these modern "five & dime" chains have suffered, too: Chesapeake, Va.-based Dollar Tree lost a quarter of its market value on March 15 alone on an earnings warning. Reduced foot traffic due in part to heavy snows in the first quarter was extending into the second quarter, the company warned. (Another competitor, Dollar General (DG:NYSE - news), has suffered for a different reason: The company disclosed in April that it would have to restate earnings downward.) Dollar Tree's strip-center and mall-enclosed stores sell a wide variety of houseware, candy, food, toys and health and beauty products (much of it imported from China) in more than 1,700 stores in 36 states. Offering staples and impulse items, stores typically pay for themselves in 12 months, and the business was thought to be recession resistant. But by sticking to its $1 price point, analysts now fear Dollar Tree may be unable to deep discount slow-moving inventory, possibly delaying an earnings turnaround. 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Scott,

I recently attend the Money Show in New York and it was, as you would expect, primarily a vehicle to sell programs,  sell seminars, sell books, sell magazines, etc.   There were several speakers but none of them were particularly inciteful or imparted any information that is not widely available to anyone that reads a newspaper.  It was interesting to note that there were several vendors selling programs that tell you exactly what stocks to buy and when to sell them, implyng that it was realistic to obtain 300% return on your investments.  Also interesting to note why these people were bothering with me when such great returns are available to them.

Also, almost everything available was contrary to the CANSLIM philosophy.

  SCOTT COOPER <scoopere@mindspring.com> wrote:

I am thinking about attending the 13 the Annual Las Vegas money show and
On line investment show May 14-17 The question is has anybody attended
before and is it informative and useful or just sale of programs.


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I'd be reluctant to buy in right now seeing how it just shot up 12% in one day. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM IHSC broke out of a cup-handle today. Good CANSLIM candidate, except for maybe SMR (C). -- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC Date: 07 May 2001 18:07:59 -0400 Technically the pivot is 16.87. So 17.71 is the price at which you should no longer buy. It closed just under that. I had it on my watch list but it shot up so fast I was afraid to chase it. Then it pulled back, confirming my hesitance, only to surge higher into the close. Just proves how nimble you must be to really catch a breakout. Given today's action, it will show up on many radar screens tonight. If the futures are acting well tomorrow morning, I expect IHSC to gap higher, beyond the 5% limit. But if it pulls back and stays above its pivot, it may give us a second chance to buy. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Bojanowski > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC > > > So if we did not own it before today did we miss the boat? I'd > be reluctant > to buy in right now seeing how it just shot up 12% in one day. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC > > IHSC broke out of a cup-handle today. 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How did you calculate the pivot (purchase price) of $16.8= 7= for today?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:08 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC


Technically the pivot is 16.87.  So 17.71 is the = price at which you should
no longer buy. It closed just under that.

I had it on my watch list but it shot up so fast I was = afraid to chase it.
Then it pulled back, confirming my hesitance, only to = surge higher into the
close. Just proves how nimble you must be to really catc= h= a breakout.

Given today's action, it will show up on many radar = screens tonight. If the
futures are acting well tomorrow morning, I expect IHSC = to gap higher,
beyond the 5% limit.  But if it pulls back and stay= s= above its pivot, it may
give us a second chance to buy.

--

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> To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
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>
>
> So if we did not own it before today did we miss th= e= boat?  I'd
> be reluctant
> to buy in right now seeing how it just shot up 12% = in one day.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:         = Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM
> To:   canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject:      [CANSLIM] = IHSC
>
> IHSC broke out of a cup-handle today. Good CANSLIM = candidate, except for
> maybe SMR (C).
>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D743.22256792-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC Date: 07 May 2001 18:27:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0D723.714F8D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: [CANSLIM] IHSCThe high of the handle is the high price on 4/27 which was 16.74. The pivot is 0.13 above this price, or 16.87. -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:17 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC How did you calculate the pivot (purchase price) of $16.87 for today? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:08 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC Technically the pivot is 16.87. So 17.71 is the price at which you should no longer buy. It closed just under that. I had it on my watch list but it shot up so fast I was afraid to chase it. Then it pulled back, confirming my hesitance, only to surge higher into the close. Just proves how nimble you must be to really catch a breakout. Given today's action, it will show up on many radar screens tonight. If the futures are acting well tomorrow morning, I expect IHSC to gap higher, beyond the 5% limit. But if it pulls back and stays above its pivot, it may give us a second chance to buy. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Bojanowski > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC > > > So if we did not own it before today did we miss the boat? I'd > be reluctant > to buy in right now seeing how it just shot up 12% in one day. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC > > IHSC broke out of a cup-handle today. Good CANSLIM candidate, except for > maybe SMR (C). > > -- > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/07/01 15:15:49 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ========================================================================== ==== ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0D723.714F8D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC
The high of the handle is the high price on = 4/27 which=20 was 16.74. The pivot is 0.13 above this price, or = 16.87.
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio,=20 Nancy
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:17 PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 IHSC

How did you calculate the pivot (purchase price) of = $16.87 for=20 today?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave=20 Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]=20
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:08 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE:=20 [CANSLIM] IHSC


Technically the pivot is 16.87.  So 17.71 is = the price at=20 which you should
no longer buy. It closed = just under=20 that.

I had it on my watch list but it shot up so fast I = was afraid=20 to chase it.
Then it pulled back, confirming = my=20 hesitance, only to surge higher into the
close. Just=20 proves how nimble you must be to really catch a breakout.

Given today's action, it will show up on many radar = screens=20 tonight. If the
futures are acting well = tomorrow=20 morning, I expect IHSC to gap higher,
beyond = the 5%=20 limit.  But if it pulls back and stays above its pivot, it = may=20
give us a second chance to buy.

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> -----Original Message-----
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> = [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of David Bojanowski
> Sent: = Monday, May 07,=20 2001 4:42 PM
> To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
> Subject: = RE:=20 [CANSLIM] IHSC
>
>
> So if we did not own it = before today=20 did we miss the boat?  I'd
> be=20 reluctant
> to buy in right now seeing = how it just=20 shot up 12% in one day.
> =
>  -----Original Message-----
>=20 From:         Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com] =
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM
>=20 To:   canslim@lists.xmission.com
>=20 Subject:      [CANSLIM] IHSC
>
> IHSC broke out of a = cup-handle today.=20 Good CANSLIM candidate, except for
> = maybe SMR=20 (C).
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0D723.714F8D40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 07 May 2001 22:08:29 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C0D742.3FC40C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable left side of cupNancy, I'll tell you the truth. Once I see the price = trend heading down, I stop watching the stock. I notice it again once it = shows up on my radar screen by being at a new high, or at least within = 5% of a high (12 month). At that point I rarely examine the quality of = price/volume action on the way down, and only glance at the bottom of = the cup to see if there was a capitulation selloff day or two. Mostly, I = get a sense of the shape of the cup, then focus on how it did in the = last stages of the right side, and more importantly in the handle. So, the answer is, I don't know. Logically, I think a lot of the character of the left side would depend = on the style of the run up prior to that. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Thanks, Tom. When the left side is forming, is it healthy for the = price decrease to be accompanied by extremely high volume?=20 What should the volume look like when the left side is forming? Nancy=20 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:56 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup The most healthy left side of a cup is one you are out of and = watching. (or have shorted after exiting your long position with a huge = gain) If still holding long, then a healthy left side is one that rallies = and gets you the chance to recover some of the money you had lost, and = exit, before you lose more. As to "signs", if a stock is forming a cup, the smoother the better. = The depth of the cup matters, so you prefer to see the bottom of the cup = only giving up 25% or less of the prior leg up (unless you are short). = It's also good to see a capitulation day late in the bottom of the cup. = I personally also prefer to see a smooth right side of the cup, but with = light volume. This confirms to me that the weak holders were mostly = shook out by the capitulation day in the bottom. And there won't be so = many profit takers who bot on the right side of the cup by the time it = builds a handle. And, finally, of course, you want to see it build a handle nicely, = drooping slightly and volume decreasing as it extends to the right. Then all you have to do is watch it to be sure when it breaks, it = breaks upward, and on 1.5X or more of ADV. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: Canslim (E-mail)=20 Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] left side of cup When the left side of a cup begins to form and there are a few = occasions where the price decreases on above ADV, is that a bad sign = even though the stock closes nearer to its intraday high than its = intraday low?=20 Please explain a healthy left side in relation to price/volume.=20 Grazie.=20 Nancy=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/04/01 10:26:18 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended = recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then = delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/07/01 09:35:14 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended = recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then = delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C0D742.3FC40C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable left side of cup
Nancy, I'll tell you the truth. Once I see the price = trend=20 heading down, I stop watching the stock. I notice it again once it shows = up on=20 my radar screen by being at a new high, or at least within 5% of a high = (12=20 month). At that point I rarely examine the quality of price/volume = action on the=20 way down, and only glance at the bottom of the cup to see if there was a = capitulation selloff day or two. Mostly, I get a sense of the shape of = the cup,=20 then focus on how it did in the last stages of the right side, and more=20 importantly in the handle.
 
So, the answer is, I don't know.
 
Logically, I think a lot of the character of the = left side=20 would depend on the style of the run up prior to that.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 = 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] left = side of=20 cup

Thanks, Tom.  When the left side is forming, is it = healthy for the=20 price decrease to be accompanied by extremely high volume?=20
What=20 should the volume look like when the left side is = forming?
Nancy 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent:=20 Friday, May 04, 2001 4:56 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup

The most healthy left side of a cup is one you = are out of=20 and watching. (or have shorted after exiting your long position with = a huge=20 gain)
 
If still holding long, then a healthy left side = is one=20 that rallies and gets you the chance to recover some of the money = you had=20 lost, and exit, before you lose more.
 
As to "signs", if a stock is forming a cup, the = smoother=20 the better. The depth of the cup matters, so you prefer to see the = bottom of=20 the cup only giving up 25% or less of the prior leg up (unless you = are=20 short). It's also good to see a capitulation day late in the bottom = of the=20 cup. I personally also prefer to see a smooth right side of the cup, = but=20 with light volume. This confirms to me that the weak holders were = mostly=20 shook out by the capitulation day in the bottom. And there won't be = so many=20 profit takers who bot on the right side of the cup by the time it = builds a=20 handle.
 
And, finally, of course, you want to see it = build a handle=20 nicely, drooping slightly and volume decreasing as it extends to the = right.
 
Then all you have to do is watch it to be sure = when it=20 breaks, it breaks upward, and on 1.5X or more of ADV.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
To: Canslim (E-mail)
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 = 1:27=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] left = side of=20 cup

When the left side of a cup begins = to form and=20 there are a few occasions where the price decreases on above ADV, = is that=20 a bad sign even though the stock closes nearer to its  = intraday high=20 than its intraday low?

Please explain a healthy left side = in relation=20 to price/volume.


Grazie.
Nancy

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------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C0D742.3FC40C00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IHSC Date: 07 May 2001 22:18:42 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C0D743.AD490B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] IHSCHi Dave, Could you elaborate on why you did not use the high of $17 set 2/15, or = that day's close of 16.94, done on heavy volume (something like 10X ADV, = while today's volume is about 7X ADV)? Some might argue that it is = recent enough, and also set the left rim of the cup. I am not sure I = disagree with your reasoning, but would like to hear your logic. I should also note that it fails several guidelines to CANSLIM stocks, = including liquidity (ADV now of 15,100 shares) and ROE (15%). It also = has yet to attract at least 3 analysts so no estimates of future = earnings at DGO. It also fails to make the top six of its group, even = with a GRS of only 74. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Rubin=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC The high of the handle is the high price on 4/27 which was 16.74. The = pivot is 0.13 above this price, or 16.87. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:17 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC How did you calculate the pivot (purchase price) of $16.87 for = today?=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]=20 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:08 PM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC=20 Technically the pivot is 16.87. So 17.71 is the price at which you = should=20 no longer buy. It closed just under that.=20 I had it on my watch list but it shot up so fast I was afraid to = chase it.=20 Then it pulled back, confirming my hesitance, only to surge higher = into the=20 close. Just proves how nimble you must be to really catch a = breakout.=20 Given today's action, it will show up on many radar screens tonight. = If the=20 futures are acting well tomorrow morning, I expect IHSC to gap = higher,=20 beyond the 5% limit. But if it pulls back and stays above its = pivot, it may=20 give us a second chance to buy.=20 --=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David = Bojanowski=20 > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM=20 > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC=20 >=20 >=20 > So if we did not own it before today did we miss the boat? I'd=20 > be reluctant=20 > to buy in right now seeing how it just shot up 12% in one day.=20 >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM=20 > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 > Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC=20 >=20 > IHSC broke out of a cup-handle today. Good CANSLIM candidate, = except for=20 > maybe SMR (C).=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 >=20 > -=20 > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 >=20 > -=20 > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 >=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/07/01 15:15:49 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended = recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then = delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C0D743.AD490B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC
Hi Dave,
 
Could you elaborate on why you did not use the high = of $17 set=20 2/15, or that day's close of 16.94, done on heavy volume (something like = 10X=20 ADV, while today's volume is about 7X ADV)?  Some might argue that = it is=20 recent enough, and also set the left rim of the cup. I am not sure I = disagree=20 with your reasoning, but would like to hear your logic.
 
I should also note that it fails several guidelines = to CANSLIM=20 stocks, including liquidity (ADV now of 15,100 shares) and ROE (15%). It = also=20 has yet to attract at least 3 analysts so no estimates of future = earnings at=20 DGO. It also fails to make the top six of its group, even with a GRS of = only=20 74.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave = Rubin=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:27 = PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = IHSC

The high of the handle is the high price on = 4/27=20 which was 16.74. The pivot is 0.13 above this price, or=20 16.87.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 = 6:17=20 PM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=
Subject:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC

How did you calculate the pivot (purchase price) = of $16.87=20 for today?

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]=20
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:08 PM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE:=20 [CANSLIM] IHSC


Technically the pivot is 16.87.  So 17.71 is = the price=20 at which you should
no longer buy. It = closed just=20 under that.

I had it on my watch list but it shot up so fast I = was=20 afraid to chase it.
Then it pulled back, = confirming=20 my hesitance, only to surge higher into the
close.=20 Just proves how nimble you must be to really catch a = breakout.

Given today's action, it will show up on many = radar screens=20 tonight. If the
futures are acting well = tomorrow=20 morning, I expect IHSC to gap higher,
beyond the 5%=20 limit.  But if it pulls back and stays above its pivot, it = may=20
give us a second chance to buy.

--

> -----Original Message-----
>=20 From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of David Bojanowski
> Sent: = Monday, May=20 07, 2001 4:42 PM
> To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
> Subject: = RE:=20 [CANSLIM] IHSC
>
>
> So if we did not own it = before=20 today did we miss the boat?  I'd
> = be=20 reluctant
> to buy in right now seeing = how it=20 just shot up 12% in one day.
> =
>  -----Original Message-----
>=20 From:         Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM =
> To:   canslim@lists.xmission.com =
> Subject:      [CANSLIM] = IHSC=20
>
> IHSC broke = out of a=20 cup-handle today. Good CANSLIM candidate, except for =
> maybe SMR (C).
> =
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C0D743.AD490B80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: EPIQ (was Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis + EPIQ article) Date: 07 May 2001 22:00:08 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C0D741.1574DC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable J I can only smile when my babies are finally "discovered" two years = later, and many dollars higher. Probably accounts for the heavy volume and new high today, that couldn't = be sustained (closed a lousy dime higher!). Rats, I now am only up 387% = in a year. OK, OK, I'll try to quit gloating. And remember that a few of my babies = are still costing me money. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:49 PM Thank you Tim and Patric. Thank you everyone for your inputs on CHIC - = I will write a bit more on the topic later. For all EPIQ followers you may want to take a look at this: http://www.thestreet.com/funds/investing/1417212.html EPIQ is getting public attention now - this should pave the road to the next wave of price advances. (I have attached the article) = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 Three Stocks for the Lean Times = =20 (Embedded image moved to file: pic18737.gif)By James Brookes-Avey = =20 Special to TheStreet.com = =20 5/5/01 10:30 AM ET = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 With everybody happy all of a sudden about the prospects for the market = and the =20 economy, what's an unreconstructed bear to do? = =20 = =20 = =20 Well, you can start by doing your homework and looking for stocks that = will =20 thrive in an economic rough patch. In fact, I've done some homework of = my own, =20 digging up three stocks that looked poised for strong performance. And = if the =20 economy turns south, they'll do even better. = =20 Banking on Bankruptcy = =20 = =20 = =20 Little-known Epiq Systems (EPIQ:Nasdaq - news) of Kansas City, Kan., is = one =20 company whose business model seems assured to benefit from a = decelerating =20 economy. Through an exclusive marketing alliance with Bank of America = (BAC:NYSE -=20 news), Epiq provides proprietary case management software to Chapter 7 = =20 (liquidation) personal bankruptcy trustees for free. In return, Epiq = receives =20 recurring revenue based, in part, upon a percentage of total deposited = funds =20 managed by each trustee during asset liquidation. Such deposit accounts = can last =20 for years, and the company has trustee relationships with $800 million = of the =20 estimated $3 billion worth of Chapter 7 assets managed at any one time. = =20 = =20 = =20 Similarly, Epiq's CasePower software is used by Chapter 13 (repayment = plan) =20 trustees and earns fees based on the number of cases trustees manage. = Such =20 monthly recurring revenue streams offer excellent earnings visibility = going =20 forward (another Epiq division helps corporate clients, like = credit-card issuer =20 Visa, secure, format and route business-critical data files). = =20 = =20 = =20 Chairman and CEO Thom Olofson, along with his son, Chris, the president = and COO, =20 have delivered steady growth, with revenue, net income and earnings per = share all=20 improving yearly since Epiq's low-profile 1997 IPO. = =20 = =20 = =20 Niche-oriented and thinly traded, Epiq remains largely unknown to = investors. Yet =20 it has consistently delivered robust growth, with top- and bottom-line = three-year=20 combined annual growth rates of 40% and 33%, respectively, based mostly = on its =20 bread-and-butter Chapter 7 software. Last year 1.25 million = bankruptcies were =20 filed, 70% of those under Chapter 7, and a slowing economy should = precipitate =20 more such filings. = =20 = =20 = =20 Epiq ranked 83rd on Forbes "200 Best Small Companies" list and ended = 2000 with =20 record revenue of $23.3 million, up 57% over the previous year's = results. Net =20 income ($2.6 million) and earnings per share (55 cents) were also = records and =20 surpassed their year-ago benchmarks by 43% and 45%, respectively. = =20 = =20 = =20 But the recent passage of the Bankruptcy Reform Act, the largest = overhaul of the =20 federal bankruptcy system in nearly 25 years, may cloud Epiq's = immediate future. =20 By tightening Chapter 7 filing requirements and shifting people into = more onerous=20 Chapter 13 settlements, the new law could alter Epiq's revenue mix. The = strategy =20 of pursuing Chapter 7 trustee market share served Epiq well; adjusting = to =20 lower-margin, document-intensive Chapter 13 work may prove challenging. = However, =20 Sue Johnson, Epiq's investor relations manager, argues that it may = actually =20 improve the company's earnings as it would replace so-called no-asset = Chapter 7 =20 liquidations with fee-producing Chapter 13 cases. Time will tell. = =20 = =20 = =20 Epiq's stock has had a smart run-up of late, more than doubling since = the =20 beginning of the year alone, and the company sports a lofty trailing = =20 price-to-earnings ratio of 68, but the stock still looks like a solid = long-term =20 buy. = =20 Starting Over or Starting Out = =20 = =20 = =20 Meeting the needs of those newly laid off, downsized, starting over or = just plain=20 starting out, is Rent-A-Center (RCII:Nasdaq - news). Based in Plano, = Texas, =20 Rent-A-Center is the leading operator in the rent-to-own market for = items like =20 televisions and refrigerators with 2,174 company-owned stores and = through its =20 ColorTyme subsidiary, 365 franchised units. Regardless of the Fed's = interest-rate=20 moves, the Nasdaq's convolutions or changes in the job market, people = will always=20 need their "stuff," and ways must be found to provide for it. = =20 = =20 = =20 Rent-A-Center caters to people with little or no credit, providing = flexible =20 rental-purchase agreements offering eventual ownership of modern = household =20 essentials (TVs, refrigerators, washer-dryers, computers, etc.) from = high-quality=20 brand names like Sony, Whirlpool and Dell. Rentals of home electronics = account =20 for 40% of the company's revenue, furniture and accessories 30%, = appliances and =20 computers 18% and 10%, respectively. Charge-offs from unrecoverable = merchandise =20 account for a mere 2.5% of revenue -- proving once again that the most = =20 conscientious bill payers are often those who have very little. = =20 = =20 = =20 Following a string of recent acquisitions, involving some 60 separate = =20 transactions, Rent-A-Center has emerged as the dominant player in this = industry, =20 with a 27% market share measured by store count. Serving a market = estimated at =20 3.3 million U.S. households that are largely ignored by traditional = retailers has=20 paid off: Rent-A-Center boasts three-year combined annual growth rates = in sales =20 and earnings per share of 81% and 34%, respectively. Return on equity = is 39% and =20 gross margins are exceptional, standing at 92%. Rent-A-Center delivered = record =20 sales and net earnings in 2000 and seems likely to benefit from any = continued =20 economic uncertainty. = =20 = =20 = =20 Yet one price of the company's rapid growth has been a spate of = lawsuits, some by=20 former employees alleging gender and race discrimination. Peter Bates, = vice =20 president of finance, acknowledges this is terrible publicity for the = company, =20 but insists such complaints stem from disgruntled employees absorbed = during =20 acquisitions and subsequently laid off for underperformance. Investors = should =20 keep a wary eye on this matter because any legal judgment against the = company =20 could wreak havoc with earnings and seriously alienate the very = customer base it =20 has sought to cultivate. = =20 = =20 = =20 Rent-A-Center's shares closed at $39.75 Friday, up about 9% this year. = The stock =20 sports a trailing P/E of 13. = =20 Come Back to the Five & Dime = =20 = =20 = =20 At first glance, discount general merchandise retailers like Dollar = Tree (DLTR =20 :Nasdaq - news), 99 Cents Only (NDN:NYSE - news) and Family Dollar = (FDO:NYSE - =20 news) would seem like obvious beneficiaries for lean times. As their = names imply,=20 they appeal to price-conscious consumers. = =20 = =20 = =20 Yet these modern "five & dime" chains have suffered, too: Chesapeake, = Va.-based =20 Dollar Tree lost a quarter of its market value on March 15 alone on an = earnings =20 warning. Reduced foot traffic due in part to heavy snows in the first = quarter was=20 extending into the second quarter, the company warned. (Another = competitor, =20 Dollar General (DG:NYSE - news), has suffered for a different reason: = The company=20 disclosed in April that it would have to restate earnings downward.) = =20 = =20 = =20 Dollar Tree's strip-center and mall-enclosed stores sell a wide variety = of =20 houseware, candy, food, toys and health and beauty products (much of it = imported =20 from China) in more than 1,700 stores in 36 states. Offering staples = and impulse =20 items, stores typically pay for themselves in 12 months, and the = business was =20 thought to be recession resistant. But by sticking to its $1 price = point, =20 analysts now fear Dollar Tree may be unable to deep discount = slow-moving =20 inventory, possibly delaying an earnings turnaround. Inexplicably, = management =20 seemed reluctant to discuss the company's prospects, despite past = strong =20 fundamentals. Dollar Tree shares are now more than 50% off their = 52-week high of =20 $48.25, closing Friday at $23.50. Are they nearing a turning point? = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C0D741.1574DC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        =    =20             =    =20             =    =20             J
 
I can only smile when my babies are finally = "discovered" two=20 years later, and many dollars higher.
 
Probably accounts for the heavy volume and new high = today,=20 that couldn't be sustained (closed a lousy dime higher!). Rats, I now am = only up=20 387% in a year.
 
OK, OK, I'll try to quit gloating. And remember that = a few of=20 my babies are still costing me money.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: <asosis@ca.ibm.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis + EPIQ=20 article


Thank you Tim and Patric.  Thank = you=20 everyone for your inputs on CHIC - I
will write a bit more on the = topic=20 later.

For all EPIQ followers you may want to take  a look = at=20 this:
http://www= thestreet.com/funds/investing/1417212.html

EPIQ=20 is getting public attention now - this should pave the road to = the
next wave=20 of price advances.


(I have attached the=20 article)

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 Three Stocks for the Lean=20 Times           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;  =20
 (Embedded image moved to file: pic18737.gif)By James=20 Brookes-Avey          &= nbsp;     =20
 Special to=20 TheStreet.com          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;          =20
 5/5/01 10:30 AM=20 ET            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20
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           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 With everybody happy all of a sudden about the prospects for = the=20 market and the  
 economy, what's an unreconstructed = bear to=20 do?           &nbs= p;            = ;           =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 Well, you can start by doing your homework and looking for = stocks that=20 will      
 thrive in an economic = rough=20 patch. In fact, I've done some homework of my own,   =20
 digging up three stocks that looked poised for strong = performance. And=20 if the    
 economy turns south, they'll do = even=20 better.           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; =20
 Banking on=20 Bankruptcy          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;=20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 Little-known Epiq Systems (EPIQ:Nasdaq - news) of Kansas City, = Kan.,=20 is one      
 company whose = business=20 model seems assured to benefit from a=20 decelerating         =
 economy.=20 Through an exclusive marketing alliance with Bank of America (BAC:NYSE - =
 news), Epiq provides proprietary case management software to = Chapter=20 7           =20
 (liquidation) personal bankruptcy trustees for free. In = return, Epiq=20 receives    
 recurring revenue based, in = part,=20 upon a percentage of total deposited funds      =
 managed by each trustee during asset liquidation. Such deposit = accounts can last 
 for years, and the company has trustee = relationships with $800 million of the    =20
 estimated $3 billion worth of Chapter 7 assets managed at any = one=20 time.          =20
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           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 Similarly, Epiq's CasePower software is used by Chapter 13 = (repayment=20 plan)      
 trustees and earns = fees=20 based on the number of cases trustees manage.=20 Such       
 monthly = recurring=20 revenue streams offer excellent earnings visibility=20 going      
 forward (another = Epiq=20 division helps corporate clients, like credit-card issuer  =20
 Visa, secure, format and route business-critical data=20 files).           =          =20
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           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 Chairman and CEO Thom Olofson, along with his son, Chris, the=20 president and COO, 
 have delivered steady growth, with = revenue,=20 net income and earnings per share all
 improving yearly since = Epiq's=20 low-profile 1997=20 IPO.           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;      =20
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 Niche-oriented and thinly traded, Epiq remains largely unknown = to=20 investors. Yet 
 it has consistently delivered robust = growth, with=20 top- and bottom-line three-year
 combined annual growth rates = of 40%=20 and 33%, respectively, based mostly on its   =20
 bread-and-butter Chapter 7 software. Last year 1.25 million=20 bankruptcies were    
 filed, 70% of those = under=20 Chapter 7, and a slowing economy should = precipitate    =20
 more such=20 filings.           = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;   =20
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 Epiq ranked 83rd on Forbes "200 Best Small Companies" list and = ended=20 2000 with   
 record revenue of $23.3 million, = up 57%=20 over the previous year's results. Net     =
 income=20 ($2.6 million) and earnings per share (55 cents) were also records=20 and    
 surpassed their year-ago = benchmarks by 43%=20 and 45%,=20 respectively.          =       =20
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           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 But the recent passage of the Bankruptcy Reform Act, the = largest=20 overhaul of the 
 federal bankruptcy system in nearly 25 = years,=20 may cloud Epiq's immediate future. 
 By tightening Chapter = 7=20 filing requirements and shifting people into more onerous =
 Chapter 13=20 settlements, the new law could alter Epiq's revenue mix. The = strategy =20
 of pursuing Chapter 7 trustee market share served Epiq well; = adjusting=20 to         =
 lower-margin,=20 document-intensive Chapter 13 work may prove challenging. However,  =
 Sue Johnson, Epiq's investor relations manager, argues that it = may=20 actually      
 improve the = company's=20 earnings as it would replace so-called no-asset Chapter 7  =20
 liquidations with fee-producing Chapter 13 cases. Time will=20 tell.           &n= bsp;    =20
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 Epiq's stock has had a smart run-up of late, more than = doubling since=20 the        
 beginning = of the=20 year alone, and the company sports a lofty=20 trailing           = ;  =20
 price-to-earnings ratio of 68, but the stock still looks like = a solid=20 long-term  =20
 buy.          = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;      =20
 Starting Over or Starting=20 Out           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;   =20
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 Meeting the needs of those newly laid off, downsized, starting = over or=20 just plain
 starting out, is Rent-A-Center (RCII:Nasdaq - = news). Based=20 in Plano, Texas,       =
 Rent-A-Center is=20 the leading operator in the rent-to-own market for items = like   =20
 televisions and refrigerators with 2,174 company-owned stores = and=20 through its    
 ColorTyme subsidiary, 365=20 franchised units. Regardless of the Fed's interest-rate
 moves, = the=20 Nasdaq's convolutions or changes in the job market, people will always=20
 need their "stuff," and ways must be found to provide for=20 it.           &nbs= p;        =20
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           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 Rent-A-Center caters to people with little or no credit, = providing=20 flexible      
 rental-purchase=20 agreements offering eventual ownership of modern=20 household       
 essentials = (TVs,=20 refrigerators, washer-dryers, computers, etc.) from high-quality =
 brand=20 names like Sony, Whirlpool and Dell. Rentals of home electronics=20 account   
 for 40% of the company's revenue, = furniture=20 and accessories 30%, appliances and  
 computers 18% = and 10%,=20 respectively. Charge-offs from unrecoverable merchandise  =20
 account for a mere 2.5% of revenue -- proving once again that = the=20 most           =20
 conscientious bill payers are often those who have very=20 little.           =        =20
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 Following a string of recent acquisitions, involving some 60=20 separate           = ; =20
 transactions, Rent-A-Center has emerged as the dominant player = in this=20 industry, 
 with a 27% market share measured by store = count.=20 Serving a market estimated at   
 3.3 million = U.S.=20 households that are largely ignored by traditional retailers has =
 paid=20 off: Rent-A-Center boasts three-year combined annual growth rates in=20 sales  
 and earnings per share of 81% and 34%, = respectively.=20 Return on equity is 39% and 
 gross margins are = exceptional,=20 standing at 92%. Rent-A-Center delivered record   =20
 sales and net earnings in 2000 and seems likely to benefit = from any=20 continued    
 economic=20 uncertainty.          &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ; =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 Yet one price of the company's rapid growth has been a spate = of=20 lawsuits, some by
 former employees alleging gender and race=20 discrimination. Peter Bates, vice      =20
 president of finance, acknowledges this is terrible publicity = for the=20 company,   
 but insists such complaints stem = from=20 disgruntled employees absorbed = during      =20
 acquisitions and subsequently laid off for underperformance. = Investors=20 should    
 keep a wary eye on this matter = because=20 any legal judgment against the company     =
 could=20 wreak havoc with earnings and seriously alienate the very customer base = it =20
 has sought to=20 cultivate.          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =           =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 Rent-A-Center's shares closed at $39.75 Friday, up about 9% = this year.=20 The stock 
 sports a trailing P/E of=20 13.           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;    =20
 Come Back to the Five &=20 Dime           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =      =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 At first glance, discount general merchandise retailers like = Dollar=20 Tree (DLTR   
 :Nasdaq - news), 99 Cents Only = (NDN:NYSE=20 - news) and Family Dollar (FDO:NYSE -   
 news) = would=20 seem like obvious beneficiaries for lean times. As their names imply,=20
 they appeal to price-conscious=20 consumers.          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;     =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 Yet these modern "five & dime" chains have suffered, too:=20 Chesapeake, Va.-based  
 Dollar Tree lost a quarter = of its=20 market value on March 15 alone on an earnings   =
 warning.=20 Reduced foot traffic due in part to heavy snows in the first quarter was =
 extending into the second quarter, the company warned. = (Another=20 competitor,      
 Dollar General = (DG:NYSE - news), has suffered for a different reason: The company=20
 disclosed in April that it would have to restate earnings=20 downward.)          &nb= sp;  =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
 Dollar Tree's strip-center and mall-enclosed stores sell a = wide=20 variety of        =
 houseware, candy,=20 food, toys and health and beauty products (much of it imported =20
 from China) in more than 1,700 stores in 36 states. Offering = staples=20 and impulse 
 items, stores typically pay for themselves = in 12=20 months, and the business was    
 thought = to be=20 recession resistant. But by sticking to its $1 price=20 point,         =
 analysts now=20 fear Dollar Tree may be unable to deep discount=20 slow-moving         =20
 inventory, possibly delaying an earnings turnaround. = Inexplicably,=20 management    
 seemed reluctant to discuss = the=20 company's prospects, despite past=20 strong         =20
 fundamentals. Dollar Tree shares are now more than 50% off = their=20 52-week high of 
 $48.25, closing Friday at $23.50. Are = they=20 nearing a turning=20 point?           &= nbsp;  =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20
           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;         =20


------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C0D741.1574DC00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 07 May 2001 20:55:56 -0600 IT seems I have read in IBD that the left side of the cup is the least important part of the chart. In general, it's okay for rough, loose patterns on the correction, as long as the right side of the cup shows the proper action. At 09:36 AM 5/7/01 -0700, you wrote: > When the left side is forming, is it healthy for the price decrease >to be accompanied by extremely high volume? What should the volume look >like when the left side is forming? Nancy -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] >Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:56 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup > > The most healthy left side of a cup is one you are out of and >watching. (or have shorted after exiting your long position with a huge >gain) If still holding long, then a healthy left side is one that >rallies and gets you the chance to recover some of the money you had lost, >and exit, before you lose more. As to "signs", if a stock is >forming a cup, the smoother the better. The depth of the cup matters, so >you prefer to see the bottom of the cup only giving up 25% or less of >the prior leg up (unless you are short). It's also good to see a >capitulation day late in the bottom of the cup. I personally also prefer >to see a smooth right side of the cup, but with light volume. This >confirms to me that the weak holders were mostly shook out by the >capitulation day in the bottom. And there won't be so many profit takers >who bot on the right side of the cup by the time it builds a handle. > And, finally, of course, you want to see it build a handle nicely, >drooping slightly and volume decreasing as it extends to the right. > Then all you have to do is watch it to be sure when it breaks, it >breaks upward, and on 1.5X or more of ADV. Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- From: > DiFabio, Nancy To: Canslim (E-mail) Sent: Friday, May >04, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] left side of cup > intraday high than its intraday low? Please explain a >healthy left side in relation to price/volume. > Grazie. >Nancy <>" made the following >annotations on 05/04/01 10:26:18 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include >privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution >or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended >recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are >not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to >this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. > > >=========================================================================== === > > > <>" made the following > annotations on 05/07/01 09:35:14 > > PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include >privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or >use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is >strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended >recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then >delete it from your system. Thank you. > > > ============================================================================== > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC Date: 07 May 2001 21:25:10 -0700 (PDT) IBD shows stocks above $17.00 so it will show up on the radar of a lot more people tomorrow. Kent Norman --- Dave Rubin wrote: > Technically the pivot is 16.87. So 17.71 is the > price at which you should > no longer buy. It closed just under that. > > I had it on my watch list but it shot up so fast I > was afraid to chase it. > Then it pulled back, confirming my hesitance, only > to surge higher into the > close. Just proves how nimble you must be to really > catch a breakout. > > Given today's action, it will show up on many radar > screens tonight. If the > futures are acting well tomorrow morning, I expect > IHSC to gap higher, > beyond the 5% limit. But if it pulls back and stays > above its pivot, it may > give us a second chance to buy. > > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of David Bojanowski > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM > > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC > > > > > > So if we did not own it before today did we miss > the boat? I'd > > be reluctant > > to buy in right now seeing how it just shot up 12% > in one day. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com] > > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC > > > > IHSC broke out of a cup-handle today. Good CANSLIM > candidate, except for > > maybe SMR (C). > > > > -- > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IHSC Date: 08 May 2001 00:37:08 EDT --part1_e6.1510b1c4.2828d1f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buy on the break out as long as the volume is there! Chris. --part1_e6.1510b1c4.2828d1f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Buy on the break out as long as the volume is there!

Chris. --part1_e6.1510b1c4.2828d1f4_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC float Date: 08 May 2001 01:30:56 EDT --part1_6c.a636e55.2828de90_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone looked at the float here. 3 million shares outstanding and a float of (amazing). Chris --part1_6c.a636e55.2828de90_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone looked at the float here. 3 million shares outstanding and a float
of (amazing).

Chris --part1_6c.a636e55.2828de90_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BillGFinch@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 08 May 2001 03:00:26 EDT --part1_79.14611da4.2828f38a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I've been learning CANSLIM I've uncovered some of the charts in IBD from left to right to see how it would feel to be in the stocks during a run-up, and of course the recommended sell strategy is strongly borne out, but I also noticed that the sharp declines on high volume on the left cup don't seem to affect recovery, except that maybe it happens sooner. I assumed it would depend on quality of the stock news that caused the drop, or, if there was no news, the M conditions that would cause a leading stock in a leading group to drop so precipitously. I've wondered if life could be simplified for the busy investor by following a small group of such volatile quality stocks closely over extended time, dropping and replacing those with faltering fundamentals, since they may come back to the pivot points faster. After a while one would know one's few stocks very well and save a lot of time in research. The short bases might be less productive and the statistics might not bare this idea out. As a newbie my problem is pulling the trigger. Without DGO one has to go so many places for info and there are always a few reasons not to buy a stock. Is there any kind of checklist of all the things that must be verified? Could it be prioritized? What are the reasonable compromises that someone who cannot check on the market during the day or a confused newbie might make to be in the game? Bill --part1_79.14611da4.2828f38a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I've been learning CANSLIM I've uncovered some of the charts in IBD from
left to right to see how it would feel to be in the stocks during a run-up,
and of course the recommended sell strategy is strongly borne out, but I also
noticed that the sharp declines on high volume on the left cup don't seem to
affect recovery, except that maybe it happens sooner.  I assumed it would
depend on quality of the stock news that caused the drop, or, if there was no
news, the M conditions that would cause a leading stock in a leading group to
drop so precipitously.

I've wondered if life could be simplified for the busy investor by following
a small group of such volatile quality stocks closely over extended time,
dropping and replacing those with faltering fundamentals, since they may come
back to the pivot points faster.  After a while one would know one's few
stocks very well and save a lot of time in research.  The short bases might
be less productive and the statistics might not bare this idea out.  

As a newbie my problem is pulling the trigger.  Without DGO one has to go so
many places for info and there are always a few reasons not to buy a stock.  
Is there any kind of checklist of all the things that must be verified?  
Could it be prioritized?  What are the reasonable compromises that someone
who cannot check on the market during the day or a confused newbie might make
to be in the game?

Bill
--part1_79.14611da4.2828f38a_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 08 May 2001 06:34:00 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0D788.DE31BEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, Unfortunately, there are no good short cuts to CANSLIM. It can be time = consuming, all depending on how much time and effort you wish to commit. = As for a checklist, C A N S L I M chart Selling Rule 1 Selling Rule 2 . . . Selling Rule 36 Then, if you want more, you can throw in ROE, cash flow, news, and a few = other odds and ends that work for you. The key to CANSLIM is developing = a list of those things that you find are important to you, and work for = you. CANSLIM is a very personalized "system", in my opinion. I have = recommended that newcomers to CANSLIM, and esp if they are relatively = new investors, just paper trade for up to a year (and use this group as = a sounding board). I don't know if you are ever not "confused" when it = comes to CANSLIM, there is a lot to keep track of. I know I am often = confused, mostly right after a stock I thought was a good pick goes = against me and costs me real money. But if you are truly confused, that is a time to be watching and = learning, not spending real money. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BillGFinch@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup As I've been learning CANSLIM I've uncovered some of the charts in IBD = from=20 left to right to see how it would feel to be in the stocks during a = run-up,=20 and of course the recommended sell strategy is strongly borne out, but = I also=20 noticed that the sharp declines on high volume on the left cup don't = seem to=20 affect recovery, except that maybe it happens sooner. I assumed it = would=20 depend on quality of the stock news that caused the drop, or, if there = was no=20 news, the M conditions that would cause a leading stock in a leading = group to=20 drop so precipitously.=20 I've wondered if life could be simplified for the busy investor by = following=20 a small group of such volatile quality stocks closely over extended = time,=20 dropping and replacing those with faltering fundamentals, since they = may come=20 back to the pivot points faster. After a while one would know one's = few=20 stocks very well and save a lot of time in research. The short bases = might=20 be less productive and the statistics might not bare this idea out. =20 As a newbie my problem is pulling the trigger. Without DGO one has to = go so=20 many places for info and there are always a few reasons not to buy a = stock. =20 Is there any kind of checklist of all the things that must be = verified? =20 Could it be prioritized? What are the reasonable compromises that = someone=20 who cannot check on the market during the day or a confused newbie = might make=20 to be in the game?=20 Bill=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0D788.DE31BEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
 
Unfortunately, there are no good short cuts to = CANSLIM. It can=20 be time consuming, all depending on how much time and effort you wish to = commit.=20 As for a checklist,
 
C
A
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Selling Rule 1
Selling Rule 2
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Selling Rule 36
 
Then, if you want more, you can throw in ROE, cash = flow, news,=20 and a few other odds and ends that work for you. The key to CANSLIM is=20 developing a list of those things that you find are important to you, = and work=20 for you.  CANSLIM is a very personalized "system", in my opinion. I = have=20 recommended that newcomers to CANSLIM, and esp if they are relatively = new=20 investors, just paper trade for up to a year (and use this group as a = sounding=20 board). I don't know if you are ever not "confused" when it comes to = CANSLIM,=20 there is a lot to keep track of. I know I am often confused, mostly = right after=20 a stock I thought was a good pick goes against me and costs me real=20 money.
 
But if you are truly confused, that is a time to be = watching=20 and learning, not spending real money.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 BillGFinch@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 = 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left = side of=20 cup

As I've = been=20 learning CANSLIM I've uncovered some of the charts in IBD from =
left to=20 right to see how it would feel to be in the stocks during a run-up, =
and of=20 course the recommended sell strategy is strongly borne out, but I also =
noticed that the sharp declines on high volume on the left cup = don't seem=20 to
affect recovery, except that maybe it happens sooner.  I = assumed=20 it would
depend on quality of the stock news that caused the drop, = or, if=20 there was no
news, the M conditions that would cause a leading = stock in a=20 leading group to
drop so precipitously.

I've wondered if = life=20 could be simplified for the busy investor by following
a small = group of=20 such volatile quality stocks closely over extended time,
dropping = and=20 replacing those with faltering fundamentals, since they may come =
back to=20 the pivot points faster.  After a while one would know one's few=20
stocks very well and save a lot of time in research.  The = short bases=20 might
be less productive and the statistics might not bare this = idea out.=20  

As a newbie my problem is pulling the trigger. =  Without=20 DGO one has to go so
many places for info and there are always a = few=20 reasons not to buy a stock.  
Is there any kind of checklist = of all=20 the things that must be verified?  
Could it be prioritized?=20  What are the reasonable compromises that someone
who cannot = check on=20 the market during the day or a confused newbie might make
to be in = the=20 game?

Bill
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C0D788.DE31BEA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC Date: 08 May 2001 09:35:06 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0D7A2.2A9F9870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: [CANSLIM] IHSCI always assume the pivot is the high of the handle, which may or may not be the high of the base. I agree that fundamentally it falls a bit short of pure CANSLIM criteria, which is probably why I hesitated on the BUY button. Of course, now I question that decision, seeing it gap up this morning. Oh well, time to move on I guess... -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:19 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IHSC Hi Dave, Could you elaborate on why you did not use the high of $17 set 2/15, or that day's close of 16.94, done on heavy volume (something like 10X ADV, while today's volume is about 7X ADV)? Some might argue that it is recent enough, and also set the left rim of the cup. I am not sure I disagree with your reasoning, but would like to hear your logic. I should also note that it fails several guidelines to CANSLIM stocks, including liquidity (ADV now of 15,100 shares) and ROE (15%). It also has yet to attract at least 3 analysts so no estimates of future earnings at DGO. It also fails to make the top six of its group, even with a GRS of only 74. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Rubin To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC The high of the handle is the high price on 4/27 which was 16.74. The pivot is 0.13 above this price, or 16.87. -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 6:17 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC How did you calculate the pivot (purchase price) of $16.87 for today? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:08 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC Technically the pivot is 16.87. So 17.71 is the price at which you should no longer buy. It closed just under that. I had it on my watch list but it shot up so fast I was afraid to chase it. Then it pulled back, confirming my hesitance, only to surge higher into the close. Just proves how nimble you must be to really catch a breakout. Given today's action, it will show up on many radar screens tonight. If the futures are acting well tomorrow morning, I expect IHSC to gap higher, beyond the 5% limit. But if it pulls back and stays above its pivot, it may give us a second chance to buy. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Bojanowski > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC > > > So if we did not own it before today did we miss the boat? I'd > be reluctant > to buy in right now seeing how it just shot up 12% in one day. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC > > IHSC broke out of a cup-handle today. Good CANSLIM candidate, except for > maybe SMR (C). > > -- > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/07/01 15:15:49 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ========================================================================== ==== ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0D7A2.2A9F9870 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC
I always assume the pivot is the high of the = handle,=20 which may or may not be the high of the base.
 
I agree that fundamentally it falls a bit = short of pure=20 CANSLIM criteria, which is probably why I hesitated on the BUY button. = Of=20 course, now I question that decision, seeing it gap up this morning. Oh = well,=20 time to move on I guess...
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:19 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 IHSC

Hi Dave,
 
Could you elaborate on why you did not use the = high of $17=20 set 2/15, or that day's close of 16.94, done on heavy volume = (something like=20 10X ADV, while today's volume is about 7X ADV)?  Some might argue = that it=20 is recent enough, and also set the left rim of the cup. I am not sure = I=20 disagree with your reasoning, but would like to hear your = logic.
 
I should also note that it fails several = guidelines to=20 CANSLIM stocks, including liquidity (ADV now of 15,100 shares) and ROE = (15%).=20 It also has yet to attract at least 3 analysts so no estimates of = future=20 earnings at DGO. It also fails to make the top six of its group, even = with a=20 GRS of only 74.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave = Rubin=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 = 6:27=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = IHSC

The high of the handle is the high price = on 4/27=20 which was 16.74. The pivot is 0.13 above this price, or=20 16.87.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 = 6:17=20 PM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=
Subject:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC

How did you calculate the pivot (purchase price) = of $16.87=20 for today?

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]=20
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 3:08 PM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE:=20 [CANSLIM] IHSC


Technically the pivot is 16.87.  So 17.71 = is the=20 price at which you should
no longer buy. = It closed=20 just under that.

I had it on my watch list but it shot up so fast = I was=20 afraid to chase it.
Then it pulled back, = confirming my hesitance, only to surge higher into the =
close. Just proves how nimble you must be to really catch = a=20 breakout.

Given today's action, it will show up on many = radar=20 screens tonight. If the
futures are = acting well=20 tomorrow morning, I expect IHSC to gap higher,
beyond the 5% limit.  But if it pulls back and stays = above its=20 pivot, it may
give us a second chance to = buy.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of David Bojanowski
> Sent: = Monday, May=20 07, 2001 4:42 PM
> To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
> = [CANSLIM] IHSC
>
>
> So if we did not own = it before=20 today did we miss the boat?  I'd
> be=20 reluctant
> to buy in right now = seeing how it=20 just shot up 12% in one day.
> =
>  -----Original Message-----
>=20 From:         Dave Rubin [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]=20
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:42 PM =
> To:   canslim@lists.xmission.com =
> Subject:      [CANSLIM] = IHSC=20
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> IHSC broke = out of a=20 cup-handle today. Good CANSLIM candidate, except for =
> maybe SMR (C).
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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0D7A2.2A9F9870-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 08 May 2001 07:36:12 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D7CB.EA674706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 7:08 PM Nancy, I'll tell you the truth. Once I see the price trend heading down, I stop watching the stock. I notice it again once it shows up on my radar screen by being at a new high, or at least within 5% of a high (12 month). At that point I rarely examine the quality of price/volume action on the way down, and only glance at the bottom of the cup to see if there was a capitulation selloff day or two. Mostly, I get a sense of the shape of the cup, then focus on how it did in the last stages of the right side, and more importantly in the handle. So, the answer is, I don't know. Logically, I think a lot of the character of the left side would depend on the style of the run up prior to that. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:36 PM Thanks, Tom. When the left side is forming, is it healthy for the price decrease to be accompanied by extremely high volume? What should the volume look like when the left side is forming? Nancy -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:56 PM The most healthy left side of a cup is one you are out of and watching. (or have shorted after exiting your long position with a huge gain) If still holding long, then a healthy left side is one that rallies and gets you the chance to recover some of the money you had lost, and exit, before you lose more. As to "signs", if a stock is forming a cup, the smoother the better. The depth of the cup matters, so you prefer to see the bottom of the cup only giving up 25% or less of the prior leg up (unless you are short). It's also good to see a capitulation day late in the bottom of the cup. I personally also prefer to see a smooth right side of the cup, but with light volume. This confirms to me that the weak holders were mostly shook out by the capitulation day in the bottom. And there won't be so many profit takers who bot on the right side of the cup by the time it builds a handle. And, finally, of course, you want to see it build a handle nicely, drooping slightly and volume decreasing as it extends to the right. Then all you have to do is watch it to be sure when it breaks, it breaks upward, and on 1.5X or more of ADV. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:27 PM When the left side of a cup begins to form and there are a few occasions where the price decreases on above ADV, is that a bad sign even though the stock closes nearer to its intraday high than its intraday low? Please explain a healthy left side in relation to price/volume. Grazie. Nancy "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/04/01 10:26:18 -- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. 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Thanks, Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 7:08 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup

Nancy, I'll tell you the truth. Once I see the price trend heading down, I stop watching the stock. I notice it again once it shows up on my radar screen by being at a new high, or at least within 5% of a high (12 month). At that point I rarely examine the quality of price/volume action on the way down, and only glance at the bottom of the cup to see if there was a capitulation selloff day or two. Mostly, I get a sense of the shape of the cup, then focus on how it did in the last stages of the right side, and more importantly in the handle.
 
So, the answer is, I don't know.
 
Logically, I think a lot of the character of the left side would depend on the style of the run up prior to that.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:36 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] left side of cup

Thanks, Tom.  When the left side is forming, is it healthy for the price decrease to be accompanied by extremely high volume?
What should the volume look like when the left side is forming?
Nancy 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:56 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup

The most healthy left side of a cup is one you are out of and watching. (or have shorted after exiting your long position with a huge gain)
 
If still holding long, then a healthy left side is one that rallies and gets you the chance to recover some of the money you had lost, and exit, before you lose more.
 
As to "signs", if a stock is forming a cup, the smoother the better. The depth of the cup matters, so you prefer to see the bottom of the cup only giving up 25% or less of the prior leg up (unless you are short). It's also good to see a capitulation day late in the bottom of the cup. I personally also prefer to see a smooth right side of the cup, but with light volume. This confirms to me that the weak holders were mostly shook out by the capitulation day in the bottom. And there won't be so many profit takers who bot on the right side of the cup by the time it builds a handle.
 
And, finally, of course, you want to see it build a handle nicely, drooping slightly and volume decreasing as it extends to the right.
 
Then all you have to do is watch it to be sure when it breaks, it breaks upward, and on 1.5X or more of ADV.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 1:27 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] left side of cup

When the left side of a cup begins to form and there are a few occasions where the price decreases on above ADV, is that a bad sign even though the stock closes nearer to its  intraday high than its intraday low?

Please explain a healthy left side in relation to price/volume.


Grazie.
Nancy

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D7CB.EA674706-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 08 May 2001 10:43:04 EDT Tom: I imagine selling rule #1 is to sell if the stock's purchase price falls below 8%. But what is "selling rule #2"? In a message dated 5/8/2001 6:38:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Unfortunately, there are no good short cuts to CANSLIM. It can be time consuming, all depending on how much time and effort you wish to commit. As for a checklist, C A N S L I M chart Selling Rule 1 Selling Rule 2 . >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: EPIQ (was Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis + EPIQ article) Date: 08 May 2001 11:24:56 -0400 I bow you, the master. Tom, how do you find them? Anna "Tom Worley" @lists.xmission.com on 05/07/2001 10:00:08 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: J I can only smile when my babies are finally "discovered" two years later, and many dollars higher. Probably accounts for the heavy volume and new high today, that couldn't be sustained (closed a lousy dime higher!). Rats, I now am only up 387% in a year. OK, OK, I'll try to quit gloating. And remember that a few of my babies are still costing me money. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:49 PM Thank you Tim and Patric. Thank you everyone for your inputs on CHIC - I will write a bit more on the topic later. For all EPIQ followers you may want to take a look at this: http://wwwthestreet.com/funds/investing/1417212.html EPIQ is getting public attention now - this should pave the road to the next wave of price advances. (I have attached the article) Three Stocks for the Lean Times (Embedded image moved to file: pic18737.gif)By James Brookes-Avey Special to TheStreet.com 5/5/01 10:30 AM ET With everybody happy all of a sudden about the prospects for the market and the economy, what's an unreconstructed bear to do? Well, you can start by doing your homework and looking for stocks that will thrive in an economic rough patch. In fact, I've done some homework of my own, digging up three stocks that looked poised for strong performance. And if the economy turns south, they'll do even better. Banking on Bankruptcy Little-known Epiq Systems (EPIQ:Nasdaq - news) of Kansas City, Kan., is one company whose business model seems assured to benefit from a decelerating economy. Through an exclusive marketing alliance with Bank of America (BAC:NYSE - news), Epiq provides proprietary case management software to Chapter 7 (liquidation) personal bankruptcy trustees for free. In return, Epiq receives recurring revenue based, in part, upon a percentage of total deposited funds managed by each trustee during asset liquidation. Such deposit accounts can last for years, and the company has trustee relationships with $800 million of the estimated $3 billion worth of Chapter 7 assets managed at any one time. Similarly, Epiq's CasePower software is used by Chapter 13 (repayment plan) trustees and earns fees based on the number of cases trustees manage. Such monthly recurring revenue streams offer excellent earnings visibility going forward (another Epiq division helps corporate clients, like credit-card issuer Visa, secure, format and route business-critical data files). Chairman and CEO Thom Olofson, along with his son, Chris, the president and COO, have delivered steady growth, with revenue, net income and earnings per share all improving yearly since Epiq's low-profile 1997 IPO. Niche-oriented and thinly traded, Epiq remains largely unknown to investors. Yet it has consistently delivered robust growth, with top- and bottom-line three-year combined annual growth rates of 40% and 33%, respectively, based mostly on its bread-and-butter Chapter 7 software. Last year 1.25 million bankruptcies were filed, 70% of those under Chapter 7, and a slowing economy should precipitate more such filings. Epiq ranked 83rd on Forbes "200 Best Small Companies" list and ended 2000 with record revenue of $23.3 million, up 57% over the previous year's results. Net income ($2.6 million) and earnings per share (55 cents) were also records and surpassed their year-ago benchmarks by 43% and 45%, respectively. But the recent passage of the Bankruptcy Reform Act, the largest overhaul of the federal bankruptcy system in nearly 25 years, may cloud Epiq's immediate future. By tightening Chapter 7 filing requirements and shifting people into more onerous Chapter 13 settlements, the new law could alter Epiq's revenue mix. The strategy of pursuing Chapter 7 trustee market share served Epiq well; adjusting to lower-margin, document-intensive Chapter 13 work may prove challenging. However, Sue Johnson, Epiq's investor relations manager, argues that it may actually improve the company's earnings as it would replace so-called no-asset Chapter 7 liquidations with fee-producing Chapter 13 cases. Time will tell. Epiq's stock has had a smart run-up of late, more than doubling since the beginning of the year alone, and the company sports a lofty trailing price-to-earnings ratio of 68, but the stock still looks like a solid long-term buy. Starting Over or Starting Out Meeting the needs of those newly laid off, downsized, starting over or just plain starting out, is Rent-A-Center (RCII:Nasdaq - news). Based in Plano, Texas, Rent-A-Center is the leading operator in the rent-to-own market for items like televisions and refrigerators with 2,174 company-owned stores and through its ColorTyme subsidiary, 365 franchised units. Regardless of the Fed's interest-rate moves, the Nasdaq's convolutions or changes in the job market, people will always need their "stuff," and ways must be found to provide for it. Rent-A-Center caters to people with little or no credit, providing flexible rental-purchase agreements offering eventual ownership of modern household essentials (TVs, refrigerators, washer-dryers, computers, etc.) from high-quality brand names like Sony, Whirlpool and Dell. Rentals of home electronics account for 40% of the company's revenue, furniture and accessories 30%, appliances and computers 18% and 10%, respectively. Charge-offs from unrecoverable merchandise account for a mere 2.5% of revenue -- proving once again that the most conscientious bill payers are often those who have very little. Following a string of recent acquisitions, involving some 60 separate transactions, Rent-A-Center has emerged as the dominant player in this industry, with a 27% market share measured by store count. Serving a market estimated at 3.3 million U.S. households that are largely ignored by traditional retailers has paid off: Rent-A-Center boasts three-year combined annual growth rates in sales and earnings per share of 81% and 34%, respectively. Return on equity is 39% and gross margins are exceptional, standing at 92%. Rent-A-Center delivered record sales and net earnings in 2000 and seems likely to benefit from any continued economic uncertainty. Yet one price of the company's rapid growth has been a spate of lawsuits, some by former employees alleging gender and race discrimination. Peter Bates, vice president of finance, acknowledges this is terrible publicity for the company, but insists such complaints stem from disgruntled employees absorbed during acquisitions and subsequently laid off for underperformance. Investors should keep a wary eye on this matter because any legal judgment against the company could wreak havoc with earnings and seriously alienate the very customer base it has sought to cultivate. Rent-A-Center's shares closed at $39.75 Friday, up about 9% this year. The stock sports a trailing P/E of 13. Come Back to the Five & Dime At first glance, discount general merchandise retailers like Dollar Tree (DLTR :Nasdaq - news), 99 Cents Only (NDN:NYSE - news) and Family Dollar (FDO:NYSE - news) would seem like obvious beneficiaries for lean times. As their names imply, they appeal to price-conscious consumers. Yet these modern "five & dime" chains have suffered, too: Chesapeake, Va. -based Dollar Tree lost a quarter of its market value on March 15 alone on an earnings warning. Reduced foot traffic due in part to heavy snows in the first quarter was extending into the second quarter, the company warned. (Another competitor, Dollar General (DG:NYSE - news), has suffered for a different reason: The company disclosed in April that it would have to restate earnings downward.) Dollar Tree's strip-center and mall-enclosed stores sell a wide variety of houseware, candy, food, toys and health and beauty products (much of it imported from China) in more than 1,700 stores in 36 states. Offering staples and impulse items, stores typically pay for themselves in 12 months, and the business was thought to be recession resistant. But by sticking to its $1 price point, analysts now fear Dollar Tree may be unable to deep discount slow-moving inventory, possibly delaying an earnings turnaround. Inexplicably, management seemed reluctant to discuss the company's prospects, despite past strong fundamentals. Dollar Tree shares are now more than 50% off their 52-week high of $48.25, closing Friday at $23.50. Are they nearing a turning point? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Oken" Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC - I don't understand Date: 08 May 2001 08:54:04 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C0D79C.6EDE3420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can someone please explain to me why this is a canslim stock. Here are = the negatives that I see: 1. ROE of only 15% 2. Poor annual earnings (1999 was a down year and 2000 just matched = 1998 earnings) 3. Growth Rate of only 15% 4. Debt of 90% 5. SMR rating of C 6. 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Can someone please explain to me why = this is a=20 canslim stock. Here are the negatives that I see:
 
1.    ROE of only = 15%
2.    Poor annual = earnings (1999 was=20 a down year and 2000 just matched 1998 earnings)
3.    Growth Rate of = only=20 15%
4.    Debt of = 90%
5.    SMR rating of = C
6.    Poor quarterly = sales growth=20 rate (13% or under for the last 4 quarters)
 
------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C0D79C.6EDE3420-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC - I don't understand Date: 08 May 2001 12:18:41 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C0D7B9.04C75DB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit True, IHSC is not a pure CANSLIM pick. But in a good "M" you can get away with relaxing some of the rigid fundamental rules and take a chance on a good chart. IHSC has an 87 EPS and 96 RS rating. These are good numbers. IBD puts it into the Medical/Dental/Serv group but IHSC (and other companies in this group such as PPDI and DIAN) are more of a fit with the Medical-Outpatient/Hm Care group, which is #2 right now. Earnings growth has accellerated recently, with growth in the most recent quarter of over 80%. The chart is a very nice cup-handle, and was highlighted in last week's IBD Weekend Review. Volume yesterday was very good. The stock is making new highs. True, IHSC has flaws and does not fit all of the CANSLIM guidelines. But sometimes close is good enough to make money in a good market. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jay Oken Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:54 AM Can someone please explain to me why this is a canslim stock. Here are the negatives that I see: 1. ROE of only 15% 2. Poor annual earnings (1999 was a down year and 2000 just matched 1998 earnings) 3. Growth Rate of only 15% 4. Debt of 90% 5. SMR rating of C 6. Poor quarterly sales growth rate (13% or under for the last 4 quarters) ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C0D7B9.04C75DB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
True, IHSC is not a pure CANSLIM pick. But in = a good=20 "M" you can get away with relaxing some of the rigid fundamental rules = and take=20 a chance on a good chart.
 
IHSC has an 87 EPS and 96 RS rating. These = are good=20 numbers. IBD puts it into the Medical/Dental/Serv group but IHSC (and = other=20 companies in this group such as PPDI and DIAN) are more of a fit with = the=20 Medical-Outpatient/Hm Care group, which is #2 right now. Earnings growth = has=20 accellerated recently, with growth in the most recent quarter of over=20 80%.
 
The chart is a very nice cup-handle, and was=20 highlighted in last week's IBD Weekend Review. Volume yesterday was very = good.=20 The stock is making new highs.
 
True, IHSC has flaws and does not fit all of = the=20 CANSLIM guidelines. But sometimes close is good enough to make money in = a good=20 market.
 
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Jay Oken
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:54=20 AM
To: Canslim
Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC - I don't=20 understand

Can someone please explain to me why = this is a=20 canslim stock. Here are the negatives that I see:
 
1.    ROE of only = 15%
2.    Poor annual = earnings (1999=20 was a down year and 2000 just matched 1998 earnings)
3.    Growth Rate of = only=20 15%
4.    Debt of = 90%
5.    SMR rating of = C
6.    Poor quarterly = sales growth=20 rate (13% or under for the last 4 quarters)
 
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C0D7B9.04C75DB0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC - I don't understand Date: 08 May 2001 09:36:24 -0700 OTOH, why bother, with so many good candidates to choose from? And who's judgement should we use as to the state of "M". I see at least as many "prognosticators" saying this is just another Bear Market rally as those saying the bear is over. For now I'm 1) sticking with candidates with far better fundamentals than this one 2) sitting on a wad of cash until I see where the new leadership is coming from and 3) waiting to see if this rally holds (i.e. counting the distribution days). On 09:18 AM 5/8/01, Dave Rubin Said: >True, IHSC is not a pure CANSLIM pick. But in a good "M" you can get away >with relaxing some of the rigid fundamental rules and take a chance on a >good chart. > >IHSC has an 87 EPS and 96 RS rating. These are good numbers. IBD puts it >into the Medical/Dental/Serv group but IHSC (and other companies in this >group such as PPDI and DIAN) are more of a fit with the >Medical-Outpatient/Hm Care group, which is #2 right now. Earnings growth >has accellerated recently, with growth in the most recent quarter of over 80%. > >The chart is a very nice cup-handle, and was highlighted in last week's >IBD Weekend Review. Volume yesterday was very good. The stock is making >new highs. > >True, IHSC has flaws and does not fit all of the CANSLIM guidelines. But >sometimes close is good enough to make money in a good market. > > > -----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jay Oken >Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:54 AM >To: Canslim >Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC - I don't understand > >>Can someone please explain to me why this is a canslim stock. Here are >>the negatives that I see: >> >>1. ROE of only 15% >>2. Poor annual earnings (1999 was a down year and 2000 just matched >>1998 earnings) >>3. Growth Rate of only 15% >>4. Debt of 90% >>5. SMR rating of C >>6. Poor quarterly sales growth rate (13% or under for the last 4 quarters) >> Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: [CANSLIM] TRR B/O Date: 08 May 2001 10:22:44 -0600 TRR is up 4 bucks on 4x vol. If it keeps this up over the next couple days and settles around 40 for a breather that would be fine by me. USPH seems to be resting around 1.5x the 50dma so I'm hoping TRR will do the same. If it gets there. CNTL looks like it wants to break out but might end up forming a handle at 19. That'll work for me. This is all counter to the general market. Even the RUT is slightly declining. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] HGS Watch List Date: 08 May 2001 09:43:37 -0700 --=====================_437335307==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hopefully it is attached as a csv file. Otherwise, cut-and-paste into Excel. --=====================_437335307==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Pubstka.csv" Stock,HGS Group,Scan Group,ERG,E,R,G,Curr G Speed,Prev G Speed,A/D,SMR,Growth,Curr Earn,Prev Earn,Curr Sales,Prev Sales,Proj Earn,Ians Box,Group,Exchange,Price,EPS Due,Date Added NVR,2,1,296,99,98,99,0,0,B,A,73,49,107,6,23,33,3,BUILD_RES,AMEX,185.25,7/25/01,11-Aug BZH,2,1,295,98,98,99,0,0,A,B,34,88,89,12,18,30,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,62,7/25/01,26-Jan HOV,2,1,294,96,99,99,0,0,A,C,24,147,105,14,19,32,7,BUILD_RES,NYSE,17.39,6/7/01,9-Mar LEN,2,1,294,99,96,99,0,0,A,A,31,88,67,72,78,29,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,44.7,6/20/01,22-Sep RYL,2,1,293,98,96,99,0,0,B,B,82,44,59,20,26,16,3,BUILD_RES,NYSE,51.96,7/25/01,20-Apr SHFL,1,1,292,97,98,97,0,0,A,A,40,31,69,32,43,23,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,27,5/22/01,12-Jan USPH,,1,292,94,99,99,0,0,A,A,20,67,50,23,22,31,8,MED_OUTPAT,NASD,25.99,5/15/01,15-Dec WBB,2,1,291,95,97,99,0,0,B,C,21,28,64,-14,-1,14,9,BUILD_RES,NYSE,39.07,7/25/01,27-Apr PHM,2,1,290,98,93,99,0,0,B,B,44,60,26,7,9,6,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,43.65,7/25/01,23-Mar RLRN,1,1,290,97,98,95,26,20,A,A,37,25,80,25,27,24,6,COMPS_EDU,NASD,43.4,7/25/01,27-Apr TRR,,1,290,99,98,93,-3,-3,C,B,116,73,77,65,47,66,2,POLUTE_SERVICE,NYSE,32.2,5/10/01,4-May APL,2,1,289,99,99,91,15,13,A,A,294,900,933,196,223,37,1,O&G_PIPES,AMEX,36.6,5/10/01,27-Apr IGT,1,1,289,97,95,97,0,0,B,A,20,106,113,59,46,42,7,LEIS_GAMES,NYSE,55,7/20/01,26-Jan RJR,,1,289,94,97,98,0,0,B,C,61,27,25,2,3,17,3,TOBACCO,NYSE,61.73,7/20/01,23-Feb ACF,,1,286,99,98,89,-3,-3,A,A,47,71,58,67,58,58,5,FIN_CONSUMER,NYSE,47.2,8/3/01,30-Mar CPN,,1,285,99,93,93,8,9,B,A,61,329,200,422,306,66,1,ENER_OTH,NYSE,54.1,7/24/01,20-Apr PVA,,1,284,95,96,93,8,9,B,A,19,88,40,63,60,32,8,ENER_OTH,NYSE,40.9,7/19/01,20-Apr SGR,,1,284,94,98,92,14,23,B,B,26,27,41,97,178,41,6,METAL_PROCESS,NYSE,57.1,7/7/01,27-Apr SRCL,,1,284,96,95,93,-3,-3,C,B,67,32,30,10,46,28,3,POLUTE_SERVICE,NASD,42.85,8/3/01,23-Mar LNCR,,1,283,90,94,99,0,0,C,A,15,16,26,20,24,23,10,MED_OUTPAT,NASD,54.85,7/18/01,6-Oct NYCB,1,1,283,97,98,88,5,-10,A,A,22,136,50,202,99,40,7,BANK_NE,NASD,33.23,7/12/01,4-May CHBS,1,1,282,98,98,86,-3,0,A,A,75,56,86,50,44,21,2,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,37.64,6/14/01,5-Jan CHIC,1,1,282,97,99,86,-3,0,B,A,41,40,52,35,48,33,6,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,33.2,7/13/01,13-Apr HOTT,1,1,281,98,97,86,-3,0,B,A,93,33,55,48,50,20,3,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,33.28,5/15/01,5-Jan CTX,2,1,280,93,88,99,0,0,B,B,30,48,8,15,15,17,6,BUILD_RES,NYSE,43.73,7/25/01,27-Apr JNY,,1,280,98,93,89,-2,-2,A,A,31,136,58,5,4,20,4,TEXT_MFGRS,NYSE,43.91,4/26/01,9-Feb AEOS,1,1,279,96,97,86,-3,0,B,A,114,33,24,48,27,25,3,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,37.39,5/16/01,30-Mar CHS,1,1,278,99,93,86,-3,0,B,A,83,72,87,75,73,27,2,RET_CLOTHES,NYSE,42.64,5/25/01,13-Apr JEC,,1,278,87,96,95,4,7,A,C,16,14,10,15,15,13,10,BUILD_HEAVY,NYSE,66.34,7/18/01,27-Apr USLB,1,1,275,96,99,80,1,-3,A,A,46,75,133,88,124,15,5,COMM_MISC,NASD,13.79,5/9/01,4-May ALLY,1,4,274,78,99,97,0,0,A,-,NA,180,700,15,2,-,7,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,24.16,5/5/01,9-Mar PPDI,1,2,271,95,99,77,12,32,B,A,37,107,11,31,17,35,4,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,60.63,7/19/01,4-May PENN,1,1,270,90,83,97,0,0,B,A,25,25,18,102,101,26,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,16.5,7/25/01,4-May HSIC,1,2,268,94,96,78,-8,-3,B,C,206,37,18,7,4,15,3,MEDDEN_SUPP,NASD,37.63,5/1/01,4-May TTI,1,4,268,78,96,94,-1,2,A,C,NA,600,200,43,40,102,7,O&F_FIELD,NYSE,25.15,7/21/01,26-Jan ESI,1,2,267,95,96,76,-3,-8,A,A,18,25,122,16,21,18,9,COMM_SCHOOL,NYSE,35.79,7/13/01,27-Apr ATK,1,1,265,86,96,83,-3,-4,B,B,15,14,18,-11,-2,14,10,ELEC_MILITARY,NYSE,95.5,5/11/00,26-Jan CEC,2,2,265,94,94,77,-4,-7,B,A,59,29,14,15,13,29,3,RET_REST,NYSE,48.5,7/18/01,27-Apr FED,,2,265,96,93,76,0,-11,B,A,38,43,34,24,23,22,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,30.5,7/27/01,20-Apr KNGT,,1,265,87,91,87,0,-1,A,A,24,22,13,29,16,18,10,TRANS_TRUCK,NASD,27.01,4/22/00,5-Jan APOL,1,2,264,98,90,76,-3,-8,B,A,36,40,40,22,24,14,6,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,36.62,6/27/01,27-Apr BPFH,1,1,263,80,95,88,5,-10,B,A,18,40,-17,-*,56,16,9,BANK_NE,NASD,20.3,7/20/01,4-May DIAN,1,2,263,96,90,77,12,32,A,B,40,53,47,21,23,39,5,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,43,7/21/01,4-May APPB,2,2,262,92,93,77,-4,-7,B,A,18,21,13,13,5,14,10,RET_REST,NASD,43.5,4/26/01,27-Apr DME,,2,262,91,95,76,0,-11,B,A,30,29,5,21,14,15,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,34.15,7/12/01,20-Apr EDMC,1,2,261,95,90,76,-3,-8,B,A,45,25,21,21,19,24,6,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,33.7,8/1/01,4-May FLIR,1,4,260,78,99,83,-3,-4,A,E,NA,200,112,38,19,NA,7,ELEC_MILITARY,NASD,14.6,8/15/01,27-Apr STRA,1,2,260,87,97,76,-3,-8,A,A,15,14,13,12,8,11,10,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,42.05,7/25/01,27-Apr SKX,1,2,257,99,98,60,-10,-17,B,A,149,137,225,71,72,52,1,SHOES,NYSE,34.45,8/1/01,20-Apr WM,,2,257,93,88,76,0,-11,C,A,38,39,18,25,16,28,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,50,7/19/01,20-Apr HECO,1,4,256,78,97,81,12,25,B,A,NA,600,999,17,22,4,7,O&G_USEXPL,NASD,12.46,5/10/01,20-Apr AAS,1,2,252,90,95,67,3,7,C,B,19,21,17,22,16,20,10,MED_WDRUG,NYSE,53.17,7/27/01,27-Apr UCOR,1,4,251,76,98,77,12,32,A,C,-10,200,999,29,39,-,7,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,12,7/25/01,4-May TTEN,1,4,250,78,91,81,12,25,B,C,NA,978,338,311,374,34,7,O&G_USEXPL,NASD,17.19,5/17/01,27-Apr PFGC,2,2,249,93,92,64,-20,-2,C,C,18,31,24,25,23,20,9,RETWHL_FOOD,NASD,28,8/8/01,4-May GCO,1,2,247,93,94,60,-10,-17,C,A,20,31,44,28,26,17,9,SHOES,NYSE,27.1,5/23/01,20-Apr BWS,1,2,245,90,95,60,-10,-17,B,C,49,32,9,14,8,10,6,SHOES,NYSE,18.74,5/17/01,20-Apr --=====================_437335307==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! --=====================_437335307==_-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: TRR Date: 08 May 2001 09:56:39 -0700 Nice catch, it's on my list. Will be watching to see if it comes down to +5% over the pivot, which I believe is $35.20. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] HTF - ESI Date: 08 May 2001 10:05:33 -0700 A textbook HTF, formed from 4/27 through 5/4. Trying to break out of it today. Discl: I was in on the previous b/o. P.S. USPH - resting? I see five straight days of gains. I am cranking up my stop another 20% as a result. THis one is getting rather lofty, IMHO. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: TRR Date: 08 May 2001 10:18:04 -0700 Whoa, that was quick! Put in a limit order at 35.20 & it executed in minutes. Must have already been trading near there, or is dropping fast. What was that about catching a falling knife? Oh right, it might cut you... On 09:56 AM 5/8/01, Tim Fisher Said: >Nice catch, it's on my list. Will be watching to see if it comes down to >+5% over the pivot, which I believe is $35.20. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: TRR Date: 08 May 2001 12:37:48 -0600 Last check around 12:30MST it was at 36.48 so your timing was pretty good. Maybe you should try day trading. At 10:18 AM 5/8/01 -0700, you wrote: >Whoa, that was quick! Put in a limit order at 35.20 & it executed in >minutes. Must have already been trading near there, or is dropping fast. >What was that about catching a falling knife? Oh right, it might cut you... > >On 09:56 AM 5/8/01, Tim Fisher Said: >>Nice catch, it's on my list. Will be watching to see if it comes down to >>+5% over the pivot, which I believe is $35.20. >> >>Tim Fisher >>Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites >> >>Tim@OreRockOn.com >>WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >>See naked fish and rocks! >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HTF - ESI Date: 08 May 2001 12:58:35 -0600 I don't think it quite qualifies, because it has an upward drift, a flag is more of a consolidation pattern, where price marks time or drifts down over a period of day, up to 2 weeks maybe. (IMHO anyway) On 8 May 01, at 10:05, Tim Fisher wrote: > A textbook HTF, formed from 4/27 through 5/4. Trying to break out of it > today. Discl: I was in on the previous b/o. > > P.S. USPH - resting? I see five straight days of gains. I am cranking up my > stop another 20% as a result. THis one is getting rather lofty, IMHO. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HTF - ESI Date: 08 May 2001 12:44:14 -0700 What I see is closing prices within a 1/4 pt, and range of 1 pt, for those days, all on moderate vol. The price drifted up before and after those days. This fits all definitions of HTFs I have read. Bonus for you sticklers: It occurred at the end of a run-up from 30-35. Oh yeah and 4/27 is not part of the formation, was reading the Yahoo chart wrong. DateOpenHighLowCloseVolume 4-May-01363635.335.79204400 3-May-0135.4935.7534.9435.75149300 2-May-0135.535.534.435.49177100 1-May-0135.635.633535.5153600 30-Apr-0135.0535.7434.9935.6333000 On 11:58 AM 5/8/01, Patrick Wahl Said: >I don't think it quite qualifies, because it has an upward drift, a flag >is more of a consolidation pattern, where price marks time or drifts >down over a period of day, up to 2 weeks maybe. (IMHO anyway) > >On 8 May 01, at 10:05, Tim Fisher wrote: > > > A textbook HTF, formed from 4/27 through 5/4. Trying to break out of it > > today. Discl: I was in on the previous b/o. > > > > P.S. USPH - resting? I see five straight days of gains. I am cranking > up my > > stop another 20% as a result. THis one is getting rather lofty, IMHO. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HGS Watch List Date: 08 May 2001 13:22:18 -0700 Tim, I got your attachment fine. Thanks tons for getting it into spreadsheet format. Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:43 AM > Hopefully it is attached as a csv file. Otherwise, cut-and-paste into Excel. > ---- > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: TRR Date: 08 May 2001 12:55:11 -0700 Usually it picks me up on the way to failing the B/O or never comes down to pick up my limit. This time it traded down to my limit then went right back up. Good karma today? On 11:37 AM 5/8/01, DougC Said: >Last check around 12:30MST it was at 36.48 so your timing was pretty good. >Maybe you should try day trading. > >At 10:18 AM 5/8/01 -0700, you wrote: >>Whoa, that was quick! Put in a limit order at 35.20 & it executed in >>minutes. Must have already been trading near there, or is dropping fast. >>What was that about catching a falling knife? Oh right, it might cut you... >> >>On 09:56 AM 5/8/01, Tim Fisher Said: >>>Nice catch, it's on my list. Will be watching to see if it comes down to >>>+5% over the pivot, which I believe is $35.20. >>> >>>Tim Fisher >>>Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites >>> >>>Tim@OreRockOn.com >>>WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >>>See naked fish and rocks! >>> >>> >>>- >>>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >>Tim Fisher >>Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites >> >>Tim@OreRockOn.com >>WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >>See naked fish and rocks! >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] was IHSC - now distribution days Date: 08 May 2001 16:50:38 -0400 Does anyone remember how many distribution days we need? It seems to me that the rule is that after 3-4 distribution days we need to sell about 25% of the hodlings. Is this right? Anna Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/08/2001 12:36:24 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: OTOH, why bother, with so many good candidates to choose from? And who's judgement should we use as to the state of "M". I see at least as many "prognosticators" saying this is just another Bear Market rally as those saying the bear is over. For now I'm 1) sticking with candidates with far better fundamentals than this one 2) sitting on a wad of cash until I see where the new leadership is coming from and 3) waiting to see if this rally holds (i.e. counting the distribution days). On 09:18 AM 5/8/01, Dave Rubin Said: >True, IHSC is not a pure CANSLIM pick. But in a good "M" you can get away >with relaxing some of the rigid fundamental rules and take a chance on a >good chart. > >IHSC has an 87 EPS and 96 RS rating. These are good numbers. IBD puts it >into the Medical/Dental/Serv group but IHSC (and other companies in this >group such as PPDI and DIAN) are more of a fit with the >Medical-Outpatient/Hm Care group, which is #2 right now. Earnings growth >has accellerated recently, with growth in the most recent quarter of over 80%. > >The chart is a very nice cup-handle, and was highlighted in last week's >IBD Weekend Review. Volume yesterday was very good. The stock is making >new highs. > >True, IHSC has flaws and does not fit all of the CANSLIM guidelines. But >sometimes close is good enough to make money in a good market. > > > -----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jay Oken >Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:54 AM >To: Canslim >Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC - I don't understand > >>Can someone please explain to me why this is a canslim stock. Here are >>the negatives that I see: >> >>1. ROE of only 15% >>2. Poor annual earnings (1999 was a down year and 2000 just matched >>1998 earnings) >>3. Growth Rate of only 15% >>4. Debt of 90% >>5. SMR rating of C >>6. Poor quarterly sales growth rate (13% or under for the last 4 quarters) >> Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] was IHSC - now distribution days Date: 08 May 2001 14:58:14 -0700 I thought it was 3-4 distribution days and you should be out of the market. I let my stops do the selling, so currently I'm about 33% cash, since I sold some homebuilders and have bought back one stock today. On 01:50 PM 5/8/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >Does anyone remember how many distribution days we need? It seems to me >that the rule is that after 3-4 distribution days we need to sell about 25% >of the hodlings. Is this right? > >Anna > > >Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/08/2001 12:36:24 PM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC - I don't understand > > >OTOH, why bother, with so many good candidates to choose from? And who's >judgement should we use as to the state of "M". I see at least as many >"prognosticators" saying this is just another Bear Market rally as those >saying the bear is over. For now I'm 1) sticking with candidates with far >better fundamentals than this one 2) sitting on a wad of cash until I see >where the new leadership is coming from and 3) waiting to see if this rally > >holds (i.e. counting the distribution days). > >On 09:18 AM 5/8/01, Dave Rubin Said: > >True, IHSC is not a pure CANSLIM pick. But in a good "M" you can get away > >with relaxing some of the rigid fundamental rules and take a chance on a > >good chart. > > > >IHSC has an 87 EPS and 96 RS rating. These are good numbers. IBD puts it > >into the Medical/Dental/Serv group but IHSC (and other companies in this > >group such as PPDI and DIAN) are more of a fit with the > >Medical-Outpatient/Hm Care group, which is #2 right now. Earnings growth > >has accellerated recently, with growth in the most recent quarter of over >80%. > > > >The chart is a very nice cup-handle, and was highlighted in last week's > >IBD Weekend Review. Volume yesterday was very good. The stock is making > >new highs. > > > >True, IHSC has flaws and does not fit all of the CANSLIM guidelines. But > >sometimes close is good enough to make money in a good market. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Jay Oken > >Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:54 AM > >To: Canslim > >Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC - I don't understand > > > >>Can someone please explain to me why this is a canslim stock. Here are > >>the negatives that I see: > >> > >>1. ROE of only 15% > >>2. Poor annual earnings (1999 was a down year and 2000 just matched > >>1998 earnings) > >>3. Growth Rate of only 15% > >>4. Debt of 90% > >>5. SMR rating of C > >>6. Poor quarterly sales growth rate (13% or under for the last 4 >quarters) > >> > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "walter nusbaum" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] was IHSC - now distribution days Date: 08 May 2001 18:30:40 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 3:50 PM > > Does anyone remember how many distribution days we need? It seems to me > that the rule is that after 3-4 distribution days we need to sell about 25% > of the hodlings. Is this right? > > Anna Anna, In WON's recent open letter in IBD, his rule #7 states: "Buy when market indices are in an uptrend. Reduce investments and raise cash when general market indexes show five or more days of volume distribution". Best wishes, Walt - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 08 May 2001 19:30:53 EDT --part1_8b.64d087c.2829dbad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Getting close to its high of 26.25 I would like to see about 50,000 shares trade above 26.25 to confirm. ADV is about 28,000 The one negative on this one is the earnings numbers are not at all impressive, but if its good for 2 or 3 points who really cares. Chris. --part1_8b.64d087c.2829dbad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Getting close to its high of 26.25 I would like to see about 50,000 shares
trade above 26.25 to confirm. ADV is about 28,000  The one negative on this
one is the earnings numbers are not at all impressive, but if its good for 2
or 3 points who really cares.

Chris. --part1_8b.64d087c.2829dbad_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Surindra@yahoo.com" Subject: [CANSLIM] builders are coming back again.... Date: 08 May 2001 19:31:17 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0D7F5.73C31CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MTH (at 48.95) has risen by 10.22% from prev close.With the decline in the interest rates and more people able to afford expensive housing, the building sector might keep going up, up and away! Some of the high riser are NVR, MTH, SHLR, MHO. These however seem to be very extended though. Regards Surindra ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0D7F5.73C31CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MTH (at 48.95) has risen by 10.22% from prev = close.
With the decline in = the=20 interest rates and more people able to afford expensive housing, the = building=20 sector might keep going up, up and away! Some of the high = riser are=20 NVR, MTH, SHLR, MHO. = These however seem to=20 be very extended though.
 
Regards
 
 
Surindra
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C0D7F5.73C31CE0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 08 May 2001 19:47:33 -0400 In Chapter 10 of HTMMIS, WON has 36 basic selling rules, that is what I was referring to. He also has 8 rules on when to be patient and hold a stock, which I am rereading tonight. Rule 1 is Buying right solves half of your selling problem. Rule 2 is Beware of the big block selling you see on the ticker tape just after you have bought a stock during a bull market. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:43 AM Tom: I imagine selling rule #1 is to sell if the stock's purchase price falls below 8%. But what is "selling rule #2"? In a message dated 5/8/2001 6:38:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Unfortunately, there are no good short cuts to CANSLIM. It can be time consuming, all depending on how much time and effort you wish to commit. As for a checklist, C A N S L I M chart Selling Rule 1 Selling Rule 2 . >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: EPIQ (was Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis + EPIQ article) Date: 08 May 2001 19:53:28 -0400 Hi Anna, Lots of looking at charts, lots of time reviewing lists, lots of watching stocks that go up without me, or go down. Lots of mistakes (buying some of the ones that went down). Lots of years learning I don't have to chase stocks like a rabid dog, and learning there will always be another one I like if I just keep looking. Patience has become my greatest ally (second to EPIQ at the moment). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:24 AM article) I bow you, the master. Tom, how do you find them? Anna "Tom Worley" @lists.xmission.com on 05/07/2001 10:00:08 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I can only smile when my babies are finally "discovered" two years later, and many dollars higher. Probably accounts for the heavy volume and new high today, that couldn't be sustained (closed a lousy dime higher!). Rats, I now am only up 387% in a year. OK, OK, I'll try to quit gloating. And remember that a few of my babies are still costing me money. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:49 PM Thank you Tim and Patric. Thank you everyone for your inputs on CHIC - I will write a bit more on the topic later. For all EPIQ followers you may want to take a look at this: http://wwwthestreet.com/funds/investing/1417212.html EPIQ is getting public attention now - this should pave the road to the next wave of price advances. (I have attached the article) Three Stocks for the Lean Times (Embedded image moved to file: pic18737.gif)By James Brookes-Avey Special to TheStreet.com 5/5/01 10:30 AM ET Banking on Bankruptcy - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] off subject but looking for advice Date: 08 May 2001 17:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Several good points Scott. Probably every way to make money in equities has been published, so nothing is new under the sun. If they really could make 300%, why are they selling it for a small commission instead of using it to own the world? CANSLIM and HGS are different from the rest of the herd. Thanks Kent --- Steve F wrote: > > Scott, > > I recently attend the Money Show in New York and it > was, as you would expect, primarily a vehicle to > sell programs, sell seminars, sell books, sell > magazines, etc. There were several speakers but > none of them were particularly inciteful or imparted > any information that is not widely available to > anyone that reads a newspaper. It was interesting > to note that there were several vendors selling > programs that tell you exactly what stocks to buy > and when to sell them, implyng that it was realistic > to obtain 300% return on your investments. Also > interesting to note why these people were bothering > with me when such great returns are available to > them. > > Also, almost everything available was contrary to > the CANSLIM philosophy. > > SCOTT COOPER wrote: > I am thinking about attending the 13 the Annual Las > Vegas money show and > On line investment show May 14-17 The question is > has anybody attended > before and is it informative and useful or just sale > of programs. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Click and bid on cool stuff like > Dave Matthews Band Tickets & more! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 08 May 2001 20:53:47 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0D800.FA8CB960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris, Why would 50,000 confirm? Wouldn't you want to see at least 1.5X ADV, = thus about 74K shares? DGO puts ADV at 46,300. I do notice that ROE of 15% is a slight negative, and cash flow is = neutral. Earnings growth forecast of 19% only a positive because so many = are in the dumpster. Smooth chart, though, are you treating this as a = LLUR and using the trend as the base? I would be uncomfortable with funds already owning 38%, and management = owning nothing (except presumably their no cost stock options). But then = I like to front run the funds, so 0% doesn't bother me. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] OFIX Getting close to its high of 26.25 I would like to see about 50,000 = shares=20 trade above 26.25 to confirm. ADV is about 28,000 The one negative on = this=20 one is the earnings numbers are not at all impressive, but if its good = for 2=20 or 3 points who really cares.=20 Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0D800.FA8CB960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris,
 
Why would 50,000 confirm? Wouldn't you want to see = at least=20 1.5X ADV, thus about 74K shares? DGO puts ADV at 46,300.
 
I do notice that ROE of 15% is a slight negative, = and cash=20 flow is neutral. Earnings growth forecast of 19% only a positive because = so many=20 are in the dumpster. Smooth chart, though, are you treating this as a = LLUR and=20 using the trend as the base?
 
I would be uncomfortable with funds already owning = 38%, and=20 management owning nothing (except presumably their no cost stock = options). But=20 then I like to front run the funds, so 0% doesn't bother = me.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 = 7:30 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OFIX

Getting = close to its=20 high of 26.25 I would like to see about 50,000 shares
trade above = 26.25 to=20 confirm. ADV is about 28,000  The one negative on this
one is = the=20 earnings numbers are not at all impressive, but if its good for 2 =
or 3=20 points who really cares.

Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C0D800.FA8CB960-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] When to be Patient and Hold a Stock - EPIQ Date: 08 May 2001 22:01:21 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C0D80A.6B0C1380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just finished rereading this section from Chapter 10 of HTMMIS, I = recommend it to all members currently invested, especially if they are = investing for more than a day or two. It certainly reminded me of many = of the reasons I have been able to hold onto EPIQ for such stellar gains = in an otherwise really ugly NASDAQ market trend. First Lesson: I made a handsome profit when I first found and bought it = on pretty solid CANSLIM rules, made 70% in 7 weeks about 2 years ago Second Lesson: I learned about the company, its business model, and why = it was doing well Third Lesson: Because it was then a microcap and thinly traded, I = learned patience, and tolerated some of the dips that rigid rules would = have tossed me out of it Fourth Lesson: I had confidence in the company and its management Fifth Lesson: Because I had built up profits on the first three times I = owned this stock, I was far more tolerant and patient than if it had = bruised me first time out. It's important to lock in those early = profits, even if it's only the recommended 20% Sixth Lesson: I recognized this was a company that was doing well in = good economic times, as we had 2 years ago, and would only do better in = harsh economic times, as we have now. That gave me a lot more patience, = and tolerance. Seventh Lesson: Each time I again bought this stock, I looked at it with = the idea it was the first time I was considering buying it (graph wise), = but with the knowledge of the company and its products Because of that, = I was willing to hold it long term, and allowed me to be a little more = aggressive in buying it for a new trip. Eighth Lesson: I have been willing to sell when it seemed right, and = stuck to my discipline to sell at least half, once I had doubled, on any = sign of weakness. While I tried to buy back the latest half position I = sold, I don't regret the decision to sell or where I set my buyback = limit, it was correct then, and remains correct now. I will miss this = stock as an old friend once I sell the last of it, but have traded it = correctly. And I have done the things it takes to hold a stock for a = multi-hundred percent gain. Despite that, I have not become so = emotionally entangled that it has clouded my thinking (well, not much, = anyway). I think the real keys for me were the early profits, and the belief in = the company's business model. WON addresses both of these to some degree = in this section of HTMMIS. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C0D80A.6B0C1380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just finished rereading this section from Chapter 10 = of=20 HTMMIS, I recommend it to all members currently invested, especially if = they are=20 investing for more than a day or two. It certainly reminded me of many = of the=20 reasons I have been able to hold onto EPIQ for such stellar gains in an=20 otherwise really ugly NASDAQ market trend.
 
First Lesson: I made a handsome profit when I first = found and=20 bought it on pretty solid CANSLIM rules, made 70% in 7 weeks about 2 = years=20 ago
 
Second Lesson: I learned about the company, its = business=20 model, and why it was doing well
 
Third Lesson: Because it was then a microcap and = thinly=20 traded, I learned patience, and tolerated some of the dips that rigid = rules=20 would have tossed me out of it
 
Fourth Lesson: I had confidence in the company and = its=20 management
 
Fifth Lesson: Because I had built up profits on the = first=20 three times I owned this stock, I was far more tolerant and patient than = if it=20 had bruised me first time out. It's important to lock in those early = profits,=20 even if it's only the recommended 20%
 
Sixth Lesson: I recognized this was a company that = was doing=20 well in good economic times, as we had 2 years ago, and would only do = better in=20 harsh economic times, as we have now. That gave me a lot more patience, = and=20 tolerance.
 
Seventh Lesson: Each time I again bought this stock, = I looked=20 at it with the idea it was the first time I was considering buying it = (graph=20 wise), but with the knowledge of the company and its products Because of = that, I=20 was willing to hold it long term, and allowed me to be a little more = aggressive=20 in buying it for a new trip.
 
Eighth Lesson: I have been willing to sell when it = seemed=20 right, and stuck to my discipline to sell at least half, once I had = doubled, on=20 any sign of weakness. While I tried to buy back the latest half position = I sold,=20 I don't regret the decision to sell or where I set my buyback limit, it = was=20 correct then, and remains correct now. I will miss this stock as an old = friend=20 once I sell the last of it, but have traded it correctly. And I have = done the=20 things it takes to hold a stock for a multi-hundred percent gain. = Despite that,=20 I have not become so emotionally entangled that it has clouded my = thinking=20 (well, not much, anyway).
 
I think the real keys for me were the early profits, = and the=20 belief in the company's business model. WON addresses both of these to = some=20 degree in this section of HTMMIS.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C0D80A.6B0C1380-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] left side of cup Date: 08 May 2001 21:10:14 -0600 WOW, some really good questions. Now, if anyone has some really good answers... well, what the hell, here are my opinions!! 1 - I think reducing the overall number of stocks via some kind of screening is a worthy goal. Personally, I use DGO reports to get down to 100-125 of the top candidates, and then I look at charts on those candidates. I think most everyone here uses some kind of screening of one kind or another to get to a manageable number. 2 - You probably could pick some top stocks and then stick with that group except as fundamentals changed. The problem I see with this approach is you could miss all of the leadership for an extended run in the market. For example, home builders would not have been on your list last spring, but they have been the number one group for the last 6 months plus. I think an approach that looked at the stocks in the top N groups might give you better results with a similar approach. Of course, when a group fell out of favor you would have to update it with another, but the overall group rotation at the top seems to be a gradual process for the most part. 3 - Without DGO, it seems more difficult to gather the data needed for screening and evaluation. However, without DGO, I think IBD is probably the best source. Given just IBD, you can screen for EPS, RS, Group RS, A/D, and SMR. I think these 5 factors along with use of the IBD composite (or something similar), would be a GREAT start for a the most important factors. I really think the stocks with the best numbers in IBD and good charts provide great winners. Personally, I think fund ownership, ROE, earnings growth, cash flow, etc. are secondary nunbers, and are already included in the IBD select rankings anyway! 4 - As far as not being able to check the market during the day, this is a disadvantage. There are a couple of approaches you can use. One is to watch the closing prices and volumes, and put in limit buy orders for the next day for stocks that break out. You can do this for stocks that close within the 5% limit or for others that are higher, but may dip a little during the day. Using a limit order, you can guarantee you don't get a fill that puts you in too high. A second approach is to use Buy Stops, and put in orders to buy if the price moves above the pivot. In this case, you have to check the volume after the purchase, but you can go ahead and sell out if the volume wasn't up to snuff. I haven't used this approach myself, but I am considering it for the future. At 03:00 AM 5/8/01 EDT, you wrote: As I've been learning CANSLIM I've uncovered some of the charts in IBD from left to right to see how it would feel to be in the stocks during a run-up, and of course the recommended sell strategy is strongly borne out, but I also noticed that the sharp declines on high volume on the left cup don't seem to affect recovery, except that maybe it happens sooner. I assumed it would depend on quality of the stock news that caused the drop, or, if there was no news, the M conditions that would cause a leading stock in a leading group to drop so precipitously. I've wondered if life could be simplified for the busy investor by following a small group of such volatile quality stocks closely over extended time, dropping and replacing those with faltering fundamentals, since they may come back to the pivot points faster. After a while one would know one's few stocks very well and save a lot of time in research. The short bases might be less productive and the statistics might not bare this idea out. As a newbie my problem is pulling the trigger. Without DGO one has to go so many places for info and there are always a few reasons not to buy a stock. Is there any kind of checklist of all the things that must be verified? Could it be prioritized? What are the reasonable compromises that someone who cannot check on the market during the day or a confused newbie might make to be in the game? > >Bill > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 08 May 2001 21:38:41 -0600 And why would anyone following CANSLIM be interesting in 2 or 3 points? I have read that there are differing time horizons for CANSLIM, but I never thought that a 7 or 8% and sell approach was something you were looking for. At 07:30 PM 5/8/01 EDT, you wrote: >Getting close to its high of 26.25 I would like to see about 50,000 shares > The one negative on this >one is the earnings numbers are not at all impressive, but if its good for 2 >or 3 points who really cares. > >Chris. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] TTEN Date: 08 May 2001 22:58:13 -0600 Here is one I'll toss out so someone can see if I missed anything and bash it a little (Tom?). 3Tec Energy looks fairly good. Accelerating sales and earnings, small float, quite a bit held by mangement which I think Tom considers to be a negative, but forget why. Good ROE at 30, earnings estimates for this year are $3.00 per share. Less next year, but I wonder if a forecast a year and a half away is reliable. The QP EPS rank is over 90, but DG may have a lower number because of short earnings history. Formed a pretty tight base lately, earnings due tomorrow from what I can figure out. Also, on a somewhat related topic - watched a CNBC panel discussion with J. Cramer, who I think actually knows what he is talking about - they were throwing out the idea the energy is going to be one place to be invested, with the new administration pointing out that several hundred new power plants need to be built in the next few years. So whoever builds those things, and support type stuff (pipelines, coal) could do well. ACI is one I noticed has run up on no earnings but big expectations. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 01:04:15 EDT --part1_59.ad1ee65.282a29cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, my check has 14 mil shrs out with 6.7 on the float so I assume management has a good amount of stock. I am looking at all of April as a base with slight upward motion, I say slight because I see 23 as maybe a handle so at 26 its not too extended. I also have ADV at 28,000 that's why I would want at least 50,000 to show new money entering at this level. Chris --part1_59.ad1ee65.282a29cf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, my check has 14 mil shrs out with 6.7 on the float so I assume
management has a good amount of stock. I am looking at all of April as a base
with slight upward motion, I say slight because I see 23 as maybe a handle so
at 26 its not too extended. I also have ADV at 28,000 that's why I would want
at least 50,000 to show new money entering at this level.

Chris --part1_59.ad1ee65.282a29cf_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 01:13:38 EDT --part1_b0.1421db26.282a2c02_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "And why would anyone following CANSLIM be interesting in 2 or 3 points?=A0=20= I have read that there are differing time horizons for CANSLIM, but I never thought that a 7 or 8% and sell approach was something you were looking for.= " I'm only looking for a profit, and feel if it breaks out on good volume it=20 would be good for at least 2 or 3 points. However should it go much more all= =20 that much better. Past experience tells me most B/O are worth at least a few= =20 points in a short time (1 week) and if I buy 2 K shrs would be a fast 6 K=20 profit. Chris. --part1_b0.1421db26.282a2c02_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "And why would anyone fol= lowing CANSLIM be interesting in 2 or 3 points?=A0 I
have read that there are differing time horizons for CANSLIM, but I neve= r
thought that a 7 or 8% and sell approach was something you were looking=20= for."


I'm only looking for a profit, and feel if it breaks out on good volume=20= it=20
would be good for at least 2 or 3 points. However should it go much more= all=20
that much better. Past experience tells me most B/O are worth at least a= few=20
points in a short time (1 week) and if I buy 2 K shrs would be a fast 6=20= K=20
profit.

Chris. --part1_b0.1421db26.282a2c02_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Maguire Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] When to be Patient and Hold a Stock - EPIQ Date: 08 May 2001 22:44:37 -0700 --------------FD1DA54AA2FCCD05FB3447D9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom.. Thanks for the very clear travel of your investment.. good 1 to 8 lesson flow and feel of proper activity...Keep up the good work you share on this site.. Best, Joe Maguire {Hayden Stone 1966 -1971 LaJolla .} Tom Worley wrote: > Just finished rereading this section from Chapter 10 of HTMMIS, I > recommend it to all members currently invested, especially if they are > investing for more than a day or two. It certainly reminded me of many > of the reasons I have been able to hold onto EPIQ for such stellar > gains in an otherwise really ugly NASDAQ market trend. First Lesson: I > made a handsome profit when I first found and bought it on pretty > solid CANSLIM rules, made 70% in 7 weeks about 2 years ago Second > Lesson: I learned about the company, its business model, and why it > was doing well Third Lesson: Because it was then a microcap and thinly > traded, I learned patience, and tolerated some of the dips that rigid > rules would have tossed me out of it Fourth Lesson: I had confidence > in the company and its management Fifth Lesson: Because I had built up > profits on the first three times I owned this stock, I was far more > tolerant and patient than if it had bruised me first time out. It's > important to lock in those early profits, even if it's only the > recommended 20% Sixth Lesson: I recognized this was a company that was > doing well in good economic times, as we had 2 years ago, and would > only do better in harsh economic times, as we have now. That gave me a > lot more patience, and tolerance. Seventh Lesson: Each time I again > bought this stock, I looked at it with the idea it was the first time > I was considering buying it (graph wise), but with the knowledge of > the company and its products Because of that, I was willing to hold it > long term, and allowed me to be a little more aggressive in buying it > for a new trip. Eighth Lesson: I have been willing to sell when it > seemed right, and stuck to my discipline to sell at least half, once I > had doubled, on any sign of weakness. While I tried to buy back the > latest half position I sold, I don't regret the decision to sell or > where I set my buyback limit, it was correct then, and remains correct > now. I will miss this stock as an old friend once I sell the last of > it, but have traded it correctly. And I have done the things it takes > to hold a stock for a multi-hundred percent gain. Despite that, I have > not become so emotionally entangled that it has clouded my thinking > (well, not much, anyway). I think the real keys for me were the early > profits, and the belief in the company's business model. WON addresses > both of these to some degree in this section of HTMMIS. Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net --------------FD1DA54AA2FCCD05FB3447D9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom.. Thanks for the very clear travel of your investment..  good  1 to 8  lesson flow and feel of proper activity...Keep up the good work you share on this site.. Best, Joe Maguire {Hayden Stone 1966 -1971 LaJolla .}

Tom Worley wrote:

Just finished rereading this section from Chapter 10 of HTMMIS, I recommend it to all members currently invested, especially if they are investing for more than a day or two. It certainly reminded me of many of the reasons I have been able to hold onto EPIQ for such stellar gains in an otherwise really ugly NASDAQ market trend. First Lesson: I made a handsome profit when I first found and bought it on pretty solid CANSLIM rules, made 70% in 7 weeks about 2 years ago Second Lesson: I learned about the company, its business model, and why it was doing well Third Lesson: Because it was then a microcap and thinly traded, I learned patience, and tolerated some of the dips that rigid rules would have tossed me out of it Fourth Lesson: I had confidence in the company and its management Fifth Lesson: Because I had built up profits on the first three times I owned this stock, I was far more tolerant and patient than if it had bruised me first time out. It's important to lock in those early profits, even if it's only the recommended 20% Sixth Lesson: I recognized this was a company that was doing well in good economic times, as we had 2 years ago, and would only do better in harsh economic times, as we have now. That gave me a lot more patience, and tolerance. Seventh Lesson: Each time I again bought this stock, I looked at it with the idea it was the first time I was considering buying it (graph wise), but with the knowledge of the company and its products Because of that, I was willing to hold it long term, and allowed me to be a little more aggressive in buying it for a new trip. Eighth Lesson: I have been willing to sell when it seemed right, and stuck to my discipline to sell at least half, once I had doubled, on any sign of weakness. While I tried to buy back the latest half position I sold, I don't regret the decision to sell or where I set my buyback limit, it was correct then, and remains correct now. I will miss this stock as an old friend once I sell the last of it, but have traded it correctly. And I have done the things it takes to hold a stock for a multi-hundred percent gain. Despite that, I have not become so emotionally entangled that it has clouded my thinking (well, not much, anyway). I think the real keys for me were the early profits, and the belief in the company's business model. WON addresses both of these to some degree in this section of HTMMIS. Tom Worley
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--------------FD1DA54AA2FCCD05FB3447D9-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TTEN Date: 09 May 2001 03:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Patrick Bigchart shows earnings came out mid March. Doesn't it seem soon for the next one? http://www.bigcharts.com/intchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=tten&time=&freq= INDICATORS - UPPER INDICATOR = SHOW ALL EVENTS regards Kent Norman --- Patrick Wahl wrote: > Here is one I'll toss out so someone can see if I > missed anything > and bash it a little (Tom?). > > 3Tec Energy looks fairly good. Accelerating sales > and earnings, > small float, quite a bit held by mangement which I > think Tom > considers to be a negative, but forget why. Good > ROE at 30, > earnings estimates for this year are $3.00 per > share. Less next > year, but I wonder if a forecast a year and a half > away is reliable. > > The QP EPS rank is over 90, but DG may have a lower > number > because of short earnings history. Formed a pretty > tight base > lately, earnings due tomorrow from what I can figure > out. > > Also, on a somewhat related topic - watched a CNBC > panel > discussion with J. Cramer, who I think actually > knows what he is > talking about - they were throwing out the idea the > energy is going > to be one place to be invested, with the new > administration pointing > out that several hundred new power plants need to be > built in the > next few years. So whoever builds those things, and > support type > stuff (pipelines, coal) could do well. ACI is one I > noticed has run up > on no earnings but big expectations. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TTEN Date: 09 May 2001 07:10:13 -0400 The mid March results were for 4th qtr fiscal 2000. DGO shows 5/17 for Q1, FY01. I am always a little uncomfortable with a company that takes the full time period for reporting (90 days for Q4, 45 days for the other qtrs). It makes me feel they do not have a good handle on their sales figures, and P&L, during the course of the quarter. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:02 AM Patrick Bigchart shows earnings came out mid March. Doesn't it seem soon for the next one? http://www.bigcharts.com/intchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=tten&tim e=&freq= INDICATORS - UPPER INDICATOR = SHOW ALL EVENTS regards Kent Norman --- Patrick Wahl wrote: > Here is one I'll toss out so someone can see if I > missed anything > and bash it a little (Tom?). > > 3Tec Energy looks fairly good. Accelerating sales > and earnings, > small float, quite a bit held by mangement which I > think Tom > considers to be a negative, but forget why. Good > ROE at 30, > earnings estimates for this year are $3.00 per > share. Less next > year, but I wonder if a forecast a year and a half > away is reliable. > > The QP EPS rank is over 90, but DG may have a lower > number > because of short earnings history. Formed a pretty > tight base > lately, earnings due tomorrow from what I can figure > out. > > Also, on a somewhat related topic - watched a CNBC > panel > discussion with J. Cramer, who I think actually > knows what he is > talking about - they were throwing out the idea the > energy is going > to be one place to be invested, with the new > administration pointing > out that several hundred new power plants need to be > built in the > next few years. So whoever builds those things, and > support type > stuff (pipelines, coal) could do well. ACI is one I > noticed has run up > on no earnings but big expectations. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 07:23:50 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C0D858.FEDEA660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DGO shows 13.6 million outstanding, and 11.0 million in the float. But = it also shows Management as N/A, thus the 2.6 million difference are = more likely held by Venture Capitalists.=20 Never assume anything, it only makes an _ _ _ of U and ME From 3/30 to now it went from 22.56 to 26.00. That's a 15% gain, I would = call that more than a "slight upward motion", even considering the = market in April, as this chart does not show gains or volatility = corresponding to "M". That's a good trend if you are treating this as a = LLUR. Otherwise I would pay more attention to the base it appears to be = trying to put in just above 25 in the past 2 weeks or so. DGO uses a 50 day moving average for ADV, it appears that the site you = use calculates on a shorter time period and is missing the high volume = in early March. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Tom, my check has 14 mil shrs out with 6.7 on the float so I assume=20 management has a good amount of stock. I am looking at all of April as = a base=20 with slight upward motion, I say slight because I see 23 as maybe a = handle so=20 at 26 its not too extended. I also have ADV at 28,000 that's why I = would want=20 at least 50,000 to show new money entering at this level.=20 Chris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C0D858.FEDEA660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DGO shows 13.6 million outstanding, and 11.0 million = in the=20 float. But it also shows Management as N/A, thus the 2.6 million = difference are=20 more likely held by Venture Capitalists.
 
Never assume anything, it only makes an _ _ _ of U = and=20 ME
 
From 3/30 to now it went from 22.56 to 26.00. That's = a 15%=20 gain, I would call that more than a "slight upward motion", even = considering the=20 market in April, as this chart does not show gains or volatility = corresponding=20 to "M". That's a good trend if you are treating this as a LLUR. = Otherwise I=20 would pay more attention to the base it appears to be trying to put in = just=20 above 25 in the past 2 weeks or so.
 
DGO uses a 50 day moving average for ADV, it appears = that the=20 site you use calculates on a shorter time period and is missing the high = volume=20 in early March.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 = 1:04=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = OFIX

Tom, my = check has 14=20 mil shrs out with 6.7 on the float so I assume
management has a = good=20 amount of stock. I am looking at all of April as a base
with = slight upward=20 motion, I say slight because I see 23 as maybe a handle so
at 26 = its not=20 too extended. I also have ADV at 28,000 that's why I would want
at = least=20 50,000 to show new money entering at this level.

Chris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C0D858.FEDEA660-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TTEN Date: 09 May 2001 08:02:17 -0400 I hope I am not known as a stock basher!. I feel it's important, and one of the best benefits of this group, to go into a stock with your eyes open and aware of all (or any) flaws. I hope that doesn't offend anyone, but the day I start raving about a stock is probably the day you should be shorting it. DGO shows Management owning 57%, Funds 80%, and Banks 27%. Good example why you can't just add these numbers up. Let's do some quick math: Shares Outstanding = 14.5 million, so Mngmt owns about 8.26 million Shares in Float = 3.7 million, so funds own 2.96 million Size of the float indicated by DGO is less than 43% by a wide margin, so either the float quantity is wrong, or there may be a large block held by Venture Capitalists or other outside investment organizations. The unusually large holding by Banks suggests to me that there are shares counted in one of the above categories that are held at a bank (most likely the VCs). Thus shares freely trading is only about 740,000 which leads me to question the above numbers since the ADV is 100,900. That would mean either some funds are day trading, which I doubt, or the shares freely trading are turning over every 7-8 days, which the chart says is not happening. That leaves a few other possibilities, including a large sale by a fund some time ago but not yet counted (we know their data is stale), an increase in the shares outstanding, VCs are selling into strength (increasing the float size but not yet reported), bad data by DGO, etc. I would check the latest filings with SEC to at least establish independently the correct nr of shares outstanding. If the Fiscal 2000 proxy is filed there, it will have Management's holdings as well. Patrick, a misunderstanding. I love it when Management has a big stake on the price performance. In this case, if the 57% ownership figure is accurate, then Management standing together can easily prevent any hostile takeover, allowing them to build up a fat cash treasury without fear of a raid. Any takeover would have to be friendly, and favorable to management, thereby likely favorable to shareholders. The one real risk with this high of ownership is that voting is meaningless. If Management decided to take the company private at $10 per share instead of the $17.31 present value, they might have to defend themselves against some shareholder lawsuits, but might be hard to stop. DGO puts EPS at 78, ROE at 34%, cash flow at $3.55 (which is way ahead of earnings). As for the decline in earnings (-25%) forecasted for 2002, I have seen this again and again on oil related companies. I suspect analysts are simply not making / updating those forecasts as the future price of oil is too difficult to predict. But with OPEC and OPEC friendly producing nations now managing production so as to match demand and maintain relatively stable pricing, I disregard those longer term forecasts on oil related companies. Demand is not likely to go away in the next one to two years, nor is it likely to drop at all. As I mentioned in an earlier email, Q1 results, according to DGO (which is simply based on when they reported last year) is due 5/17. Best bet on this is call or write the company (they don't show a website, very surprising) and ask their Investor Relations when they will release. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:58 AM Here is one I'll toss out so someone can see if I missed anything and bash it a little (Tom?). 3Tec Energy looks fairly good. Accelerating sales and earnings, small float, quite a bit held by mangement which I think Tom considers to be a negative, but forget why. Good ROE at 30, earnings estimates for this year are $3.00 per share. Less next year, but I wonder if a forecast a year and a half away is reliable. The QP EPS rank is over 90, but DG may have a lower number because of short earnings history. Formed a pretty tight base lately, earnings due tomorrow from what I can figure out. Also, on a somewhat related topic - watched a CNBC panel discussion with J. Cramer, who I think actually knows what he is talking about - they were throwing out the idea the energy is going to be one place to be invested, with the new administration pointing out that several hundred new power plants need to be built in the next few years. So whoever builds those things, and support type stuff (pipelines, coal) could do well. ACI is one I noticed has run up on no earnings but big expectations. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TTEN Date: 09 May 2001 06:19:43 -0700 Many coal stocks are up 200-300% since the gas price spike last winter. We are doing a pile of work for TransAlta at their Centralia WA mine so I assume they are gearing up production at all their coal mines. At 10:58 PM 5/8/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Here is one I'll toss out so someone can see if I missed anything >and bash it a little (Tom?). > >3Tec Energy looks fairly good. Accelerating sales and earnings, >small float, quite a bit held by mangement which I think Tom >considers to be a negative, but forget why. Good ROE at 30, >earnings estimates for this year are $3.00 per share. Less next >year, but I wonder if a forecast a year and a half away is reliable. > >The QP EPS rank is over 90, but DG may have a lower number >because of short earnings history. Formed a pretty tight base >lately, earnings due tomorrow from what I can figure out. > >Also, on a somewhat related topic - watched a CNBC panel >discussion with J. Cramer, who I think actually knows what he is >talking about - they were throwing out the idea the energy is going >to be one place to be invested, with the new administration pointing >out that several hundred new power plants need to be built in the >next few years. So whoever builds those things, and support type >stuff (pipelines, coal) could do well. ACI is one I noticed has run up >on no earnings but big expectations. > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TTEN Date: 09 May 2001 07:55:50 -0600 On 9 May 01, at 8:02, Tom Worley wrote: > I hope I am not known as a stock basher!. I feel it's important, Well, lets just say you do notice the weaknesses in a stock, which is good and why I mentioned this one, because I will sometimes miss some of the fundamental oddities that might exist. > As I mentioned in an earlier email, Q1 results, according to DGO > (which is simply based on when they reported last year) is due > 5/17. Best bet on this is call or write the company (they don't I got today's date for earnings release from the news at Yahoo, where they said a conference call to discuss earnings is scheduled for today, 11 am eastern. Thanks for the comments. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TTEN Date: 09 May 2001 08:38:35 -0600 Patrick PQUE caught my eye this weekend. One possible big negative is it's low price of 6.50. Personally that doesn't bother me but I know some here use 15 as the lower limit. It has excellent recent earnings as does TTEN. But Funds is 0. EPS is 78 like TTEN. Cash flow is good and ROE is 30. It doesnt have long term earnings growth rate number either. Latest quarterly earnings came out and are 550% greater than last years. Est. annual earnings are +66%. Float is 17.7 mil vs. 30mil outstanding. Mgmt 41%. It's not exactly in the same group. On DGO PQUE is under the Oilgas-Cdn Expprod and TTEN is Oilgas-US Exploprod. Not sure what the difference is but GRS is 93 for PQUE and 80 for TTEN. The description for both is oil and gas exploration in gulf region. It is trying to break through to new highs. It has kind of a stairstep gradual up trending pattern. Anyway...just a suggestion to look at. Might be a little too speculative. At 08:02 AM 5/9/01 -0400, you wrote: >I hope I am not known as a stock basher!. I feel it's important, >and one of the best benefits of this group, to go into a stock >with your eyes open and aware of all (or any) flaws. I hope that >doesn't offend anyone, but the day I start raving about a stock >is probably the day you should be shorting it. > >DGO shows Management owning 57%, Funds 80%, and Banks 27%. Good >example why you can't just add these numbers up. Let's do some >quick math: >Shares Outstanding = 14.5 million, so Mngmt owns about 8.26 >million >Shares in Float = 3.7 million, so funds own 2.96 million >Size of the float indicated by DGO is less than 43% by a wide >margin, so either the float quantity is wrong, or there may be a >large block held by Venture Capitalists or other outside >investment organizations. >The unusually large holding by Banks suggests to me that there >are shares counted in one of the above categories that are held >at a bank (most likely the VCs). > >Thus shares freely trading is only about 740,000 which leads me >to question the above numbers since the ADV is 100,900. That >would mean either some funds are day trading, which I doubt, or >the shares freely trading are turning over every 7-8 days, which >the chart says is not happening. That leaves a few other >possibilities, including a large sale by a fund some time ago but >not yet counted (we know their data is stale), an increase in the >shares outstanding, VCs are selling into strength (increasing the >float size but not yet reported), bad data by DGO, etc. I would >check the latest filings with SEC to at least establish >independently the correct nr of shares outstanding. If the Fiscal >2000 proxy is filed there, it will have Management's holdings as >well. > >Patrick, a misunderstanding. I love it when Management has a big >stake on the price performance. In this case, if the 57% >ownership figure is accurate, then Management standing together >can easily prevent any hostile takeover, allowing them to build >up a fat cash treasury without fear of a raid. Any takeover would >have to be friendly, and favorable to management, thereby likely >favorable to shareholders. The one real risk with this high of >ownership is that voting is meaningless. If Management decided to >take the company private at $10 per share instead of the $17.31 >present value, they might have to defend themselves against some >shareholder lawsuits, but might be hard to stop. > >DGO puts EPS at 78, ROE at 34%, cash flow at $3.55 (which is way >ahead of earnings). > >As for the decline in earnings (-25%) forecasted for 2002, I have >seen this again and again on oil related companies. I suspect >analysts are simply not making / updating those forecasts as the >future price of oil is too difficult to predict. But with OPEC >and OPEC friendly producing nations now managing production so as >to match demand and maintain relatively stable pricing, I >disregard those longer term forecasts on oil related companies. >Demand is not likely to go away in the next one to two years, nor >is it likely to drop at all. > >As I mentioned in an earlier email, Q1 results, according to DGO >(which is simply based on when they reported last year) is due >5/17. Best bet on this is call or write the company (they don't >show a website, very surprising) and ask their Investor Relations >when they will release. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Patrick Wahl >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:58 AM >Subject: [CANSLIM] TTEN > > >Here is one I'll toss out so someone can see if I missed anything >and bash it a little (Tom?). > >3Tec Energy looks fairly good. Accelerating sales and earnings, >small float, quite a bit held by mangement which I think Tom >considers to be a negative, but forget why. Good ROE at 30, >earnings estimates for this year are $3.00 per share. Less next >year, but I wonder if a forecast a year and a half away is >reliable. > >The QP EPS rank is over 90, but DG may have a lower number >because of short earnings history. Formed a pretty tight base >lately, earnings due tomorrow from what I can figure out. > >Also, on a somewhat related topic - watched a CNBC panel >discussion with J. Cramer, who I think actually knows what he is >talking about - they were throwing out the idea the energy is >going >to be one place to be invested, with the new administration >pointing >out that several hundred new power plants need to be built in the >next few years. So whoever builds those things, and support type >stuff (pipelines, coal) could do well. ACI is one I noticed has >run up >on no earnings but big expectations. > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 11:13:36 EDT Tom: Thanks for the answer to a question I didn't (but perhaps should have) ask(ed). I thought that that the difference between shares outstanding and float ALWAYS belonged to the management. I didn't realize that venture capitalists were also a part of the equation. Also, are you saying that for sure (since DG has "NA" for management-owned shares) the difference is more than likely or always owned by anyone (for instance, venture capt. or pension funds) but management? jans In a message dated 5/9/2001 7:27:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << DGO shows 13.6 million outstanding, and 11.0 million in the float. But it also shows Management as N/A, thus the 2.6 million difference are more likely held by Venture Capitalists. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] DG Weekly Date: 09 May 2001 11:20:53 EDT Canslimmers: After reading this morniing in Investors Corner of the importance WON attaches to weekly charts, I wrote DG-Online regarding this matter. Their reply and my letter are below: Hello Bryan, Thank you for your email to Daily Graphs Online. We are in the process of developing an all new version of Daily Graphs Online. 3 year weekly charts are currently in the testing phase and are intended to be an added feature. The new version should be available early this summer. At this time, no further information is available. Feel free to contact us if you have further questions. Frank Daily Graphs Online --- Sir/Ms: I like DG-Online, but I would like it more if weekly graphs were provided in concert with daily graphs. Your sister organization (IBD) published an article today in Investors Corner alerting its readers that daily graphs are not enough. Perusal of weekly graphs are also necessary to attain the proper perspective. Will weekly graphs soon be an option of DG-Online? The IBD page already allows for daily and weekly graphs-and I have found that the weekly perspecitive is indeed helpful. In this bear market I can only afford so much for Charting Services, but a weekly-graph option to DG would be most useful in my trolling for new stocks. Bryan Taplits jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O Date: 09 May 2001 10:09:03 -0700 Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not totally comfortable with the chart. Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a contrarian. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Bojanowski Subject: RE: EPIQ (was Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis + EPIQ article) Date: 09 May 2001 14:18:01 -0400 Just curious....how much time per week do you spend on CANSLIM? -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 7:53 PM Hi Anna, Lots of looking at charts, lots of time reviewing lists, lots of watching stocks that go up without me, or go down. Lots of mistakes (buying some of the ones that went down). Lots of years learning I don't have to chase stocks like a rabid dog, and learning there will always be another one I like if I just keep looking. Patience has become my greatest ally (second to EPIQ at the moment). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:24 AM article) I bow you, the master. Tom, how do you find them? Anna "Tom Worley" @lists.xmission.com on 05/07/2001 10:00:08 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I can only smile when my babies are finally "discovered" two years later, and many dollars higher. Probably accounts for the heavy volume and new high today, that couldn't be sustained (closed a lousy dime higher!). Rats, I now am only up 387% in a year. OK, OK, I'll try to quit gloating. And remember that a few of my babies are still costing me money. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 2:49 PM Thank you Tim and Patric. Thank you everyone for your inputs on CHIC - I will write a bit more on the topic later. For all EPIQ followers you may want to take a look at this: http://wwwthestreet.com/funds/investing/1417212.html EPIQ is getting public attention now - this should pave the road to the next wave of price advances. (I have attached the article) Three Stocks for the Lean Times (Embedded image moved to file: pic18737.gif)By James Brookes-Avey Special to TheStreet.com 5/5/01 10:30 AM ET Banking on Bankruptcy - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O Date: 09 May 2001 15:39:32 -0400 PENN's pivot was about 17 (the top of the little handle). If one uses all time high then it is about 18.50 which gives you 19.43 with 5% limit. The chart looks great to me had you caught the b/o at 17. Now it is up to your risk tolerance - I have chickened out :) Anna Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/09/2001 01:09:03 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not totally comfortable with the chart. Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a contrarian. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O Date: 09 May 2001 13:20:42 -0700 Exactly - 18.50 + 0.13 = 18.63 *105% = 19.56 which was my limit. Fortunately I got in around 19 so from a CANSLIM perspective I did not buy too late. It closed somewhere north of 19.75 (every tick is up here on my delayed quotes) so it is now too extended. My question to you is how you could have caught it at 17 before it even broke out or crossed the pivot? It wouldn't have been a breakout then, so there would have been no reason to buy it. I think a buy below 19.56 was a perfectly acceptable risk; if not, then when would you buy? When it drops _below_ the pivot? On 12:39 PM 5/9/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >PENN's pivot was about 17 (the top of the little handle). If one uses all >time high then it is about 18.50 which gives you 19.43 with 5% limit. >The chart looks great to me had you caught the b/o at 17. Now it is up to >your risk tolerance - I have chickened out :) > > >Anna > > >Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/09/2001 01:09:03 PM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > >Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not totally > >comfortable with the chart. > >Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or >this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines >local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with >a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a >contrarian. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN Date: 09 May 2001 16:48:32 -0400 I already own RLRN, but the stop limit order passed me by. Now I don't know what to do! Put stop limit in at 43.75 to keep 20% gain. Because of the high volume, it doesn't look good. But now I am thinking I should hold on until it goes up again. Or is that faulty CANSLIM reasoning? Who recommended "sell" for RLRN? The analysts?? I wish I had sold two days ago! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:09 PM > Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not totally > comfortable with the chart. > > Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or > this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines > local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with > a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a > contrarian. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O Date: 09 May 2001 17:19:38 -0400 I see your point. In theory the high of the handle on 04/26 @ 17.17 should be the pivot. However, you may say that the consolidation from Oct 10th to Nov 7th of 2000 is recent enough to serve as resistance and I will have to agree with you. One could also view this formation as a double bottom and bought on 04/24 when the price advanced above the middle point at 15.15 or so. My personal preference (in the ideal world) would be to buy it either on 04/24 or yesterday when it advanced through 17.17. But you are right - one could have also bought at all time high. In any case, this is a nice catch (IMHO) so enjoy! :) Anna Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/09/2001 04:20:42 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Exactly - 18.50 + 0.13 = 18.63 *105% = 19.56 which was my limit. Fortunately I got in around 19 so from a CANSLIM perspective I did not buy too late. It closed somewhere north of 19.75 (every tick is up here on my delayed quotes) so it is now too extended. My question to you is how you could have caught it at 17 before it even broke out or crossed the pivot? It wouldn't have been a breakout then, so there would have been no reason to buy it. I think a buy below 19.56 was a perfectly acceptable risk; if not, then when would you buy? When it drops _below_ the pivot? On 12:39 PM 5/9/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >PENN's pivot was about 17 (the top of the little handle). If one uses all >time high then it is about 18.50 which gives you 19.43 with 5% limit. >The chart looks great to me had you caught the b/o at 17. Now it is up to >your risk tolerance - I have chickened out :) > > >Anna > > >Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/09/2001 01:09:03 PM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > >Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not totally > >comfortable with the chart. > >Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or >this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines >local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with >a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a >contrarian. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN Date: 09 May 2001 14:49:46 -0700 I, like WON, avoid stop limits. In theory, if you don't want to be paid a price of X$, then why would you want to be paid a price of less than X$? It makes no sense to me. If a stop drops fast, I want out, no matter what the price. I don't want to be left holding a stock that may take years to recover, if it ever does. Or to put it another way, if a stock falls off the edge of a cliff, do you want to hold on to it, as is usually the case with stop limits, as opposed to falling gradually, when you would usually sell it with a stop limit? On 01:48 PM 5/9/01, Ann Hollingworth Said: >I already own RLRN, but the stop limit order passed me by. Now I don't know >what to do! >Put stop limit in at 43.75 to keep 20% gain. Because of the high volume, it >doesn't look good. But now I am thinking I should hold on until it goes up >again. Or is that faulty CANSLIM reasoning? >Who recommended "sell" for RLRN? The analysts?? I wish I had sold two days >ago! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Fisher" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:09 PM >Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > > > Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not >totally > > comfortable with the chart. > > > > Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or > > this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines > > local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with > > a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a > > contrarian. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O Date: 09 May 2001 14:54:38 -0700 18.50 on 31 Oct 2000 is the pivot, in my book. Your results may differ. On 02:19 PM 5/9/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >I see your point. In theory the high of the handle on 04/26 @ 17.17 should >be the pivot. However, you may say that the consolidation from Oct 10th to >Nov 7th of 2000 is recent enough to serve as resistance and I will have to >agree with you. > >One could also view this formation as a double bottom and bought on 04/24 >when the price advanced above the middle point at 15.15 or so. > >My personal preference (in the ideal world) would be to buy it either on >04/24 or yesterday when it advanced through 17.17. >But you are right - one could have also bought at all time high. > >In any case, this is a nice catch (IMHO) so enjoy! :) > >Anna > > >Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/09/2001 04:20:42 PM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > >Exactly - 18.50 + 0.13 = 18.63 *105% = 19.56 which was my limit. >Fortunately I got in around 19 so from a CANSLIM perspective I did not buy >too late. It closed somewhere north of 19.75 (every tick is up here on my >delayed quotes) so it is now too extended. My question to you is how you >could have caught it at 17 before it even broke out or crossed the pivot? >It wouldn't have been a breakout then, so there would have been no reason >to buy it. I think a buy below 19.56 was a perfectly acceptable risk; if >not, then when would you buy? When it drops _below_ the pivot? > >On 12:39 PM 5/9/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: > > >PENN's pivot was about 17 (the top of the little handle). If one uses all > >time high then it is about 18.50 which gives you 19.43 with 5% limit. > >The chart looks great to me had you caught the b/o at 17. Now it is up >to > >your risk tolerance - I have chickened out :) > > > > > >Anna > > > > > >Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/09/2001 01:09:03 >PM > > > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >cc: > >Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > > > > >Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not >totally > > > >comfortable with the chart. > > > >Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or > >this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines > >local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with > >a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a > >contrarian. > > > >Tim Fisher > >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > >Tim@OreRockOn.com > >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > >See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] ATVI Date: 09 May 2001 15:11:09 -0700 Reported after market, now up another $1.80 on top of the $1.73 during the regular session. Dunno why I mention this, other than purely bragging. Way too extended for a fresh buy. I bot off the HTF, flat base, high handle, or whatever you want to call it in Jan. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN Date: 09 May 2001 17:24:35 CDT Hi Ann I am curious on why you use stop limit orders? I use stop orders, but ne= ver limit orders for selling to prevent the exact same thing which happen to = you. If I want to get out, I want to get out. I don't want to miss the boat. I also owned RLRN, but sold it yesterday. I didn't like the action on Mon= day when it have another big run-up on huge volume, but closed in the bottom = half of the daily range. Looked like a blow-off top to me. Having said that, the down volume was high, but still lower than the up d= ays. = The up volume could have been caused by shorts being covered as Tom poin= ted out last week though. I expect it to find some sort of support around 40= , but would put a stop in just below it for protection. But whatever you do, just make sure you lock in some profit. This would b= e really sad if you hope for it to go up again and ride it all the way down= to no profit. Yes, 10% profit does not look good compared to the 20% paper profit you had on Monday but it sure beats 0. :-) = Regards - Fanus "Ann Hollingworth" wrote: I already own RLRN, but the stop limit order passed me by. Now I don't kn= ow what to do! Put stop limit in at 43.75 to keep 20% gain. Because of the high volume, = it doesn't look good. But now I am thinking I should hold on until it goes u= p again. Or is that faulty CANSLIM reasoning? Who recommended "sell" for RLRN? The analysts?? I wish I had sold two day= s ago! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:09 PM > Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not totally > comfortable with the chart. > > Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit,= or > this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same li= nes > local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co w= ith > a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be = a > contrarian. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATVI Date: 09 May 2001 17:28:59 CDT Yep, it sure does look good. You timed it well. Didn't WON said, (or ma= ybe I read it somewhere else), that the best time to sell is when you start to = tap yourself on the shoulder for a good buy... :-) Tim Fisher wrote: Reported after market, now up another $1.80 on top of the $1.73 during th= e = regular session. Dunno why I mention this, other than purely bragging. Wa= y = too extended for a fresh buy. I bot off the HTF, flat base, high handle, = or = whatever you want to call it in Jan. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN Date: 09 May 2001 18:53:51 -0400 Tim, Fanus, Thanks for replies about stop limits. I'm still learning, and this is a big help. A ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:24 PM Hi Ann I am curious on why you use stop limit orders? I use stop orders, but never limit orders for selling to prevent the exact same thing which happen to you. If I want to get out, I want to get out. I don't want to miss the boat. I also owned RLRN, but sold it yesterday. I didn't like the action on Monday when it have another big run-up on huge volume, but closed in the bottom half of the daily range. Looked like a blow-off top to me. Having said that, the down volume was high, but still lower than the up days. The up volume could have been caused by shorts being covered as Tom pointed out last week though. I expect it to find some sort of support around 40, but would put a stop in just below it for protection. But whatever you do, just make sure you lock in some profit. This would be really sad if you hope for it to go up again and ride it all the way down to no profit. Yes, 10% profit does not look good compared to the 20% paper profit you had on Monday but it sure beats 0. :-) Regards - Fanus "Ann Hollingworth" wrote: I already own RLRN, but the stop limit order passed me by. Now I don't know what to do! Put stop limit in at 43.75 to keep 20% gain. Because of the high volume, it doesn't look good. But now I am thinking I should hold on until it goes up again. Or is that faulty CANSLIM reasoning? Who recommended "sell" for RLRN? The analysts?? I wish I had sold two days ago! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:09 PM > Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not totally > comfortable with the chart. > > Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or > this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines > local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with > a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a > contrarian. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeff.salisbury@xmission.com Date: 09 May 2001 17:08:31 -0600 be forged)) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id QAA104760475 Wed, 9 May 2001 16:48:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007f01c0d8d2$ea3e3110$6400a8c0@mikelu3> Reply-To: "Mike Lucero" References: <4.3.1.2.20010509100321.00a9e220@beakportb> <002f01c0d8c9$6c766b20$77381e42@ne.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I think you should expect a stock will pull back after breaking out. It's local pivot seemed to be 38, and it's 1999 high was 43 (according to DGO). As long as it's above the pivot, you should wait. (Your stop should be below the pivot if you bought it "right".) Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:48 PM > I already own RLRN, but the stop limit order passed me by. Now I don't know > what to do! > Put stop limit in at 43.75 to keep 20% gain. Because of the high volume, it > doesn't look good. But now I am thinking I should hold on until it goes up > again. Or is that faulty CANSLIM reasoning? > Who recommended "sell" for RLRN? The analysts?? I wish I had sold two days > ago! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Fisher" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:09 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > > > Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not > totally > > comfortable with the chart. > > > > Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or > > this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines > > local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with > > a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a > > contrarian. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN Date: 09 May 2001 18:15:14 -0500 Ann, As I recall you had a similar problem with NVDA; up 28% for you at one time I believe. Would that we all had that problem in this market. You seem to be catching on to the buying end of it. I too have had trouble retaining 'profits' in the past. I do use sell stop markets to limit my downside. When you master the selling end please share the wealth on this list :-) I'm having more trouble keeping profits than accumulating them. Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:53 PM > Tim, Fanus, > > Thanks for replies about stop limits. I'm still learning, and this is a big > help. > > A > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fanus" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:24 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN > > > Hi Ann > > I am curious on why you use stop limit orders? I use stop orders, but never > limit orders for selling to prevent the exact same thing which happen to > you. > If I want to get out, I want to get out. I don't want to miss the boat. > > I also owned RLRN, but sold it yesterday. I didn't like the action on Monday > when it have another big run-up on huge volume, but closed in the bottom > half > of the daily range. Looked like a blow-off top to me. > > Having said that, the down volume was high, but still lower than the up > days. > The up volume could have been caused by shorts being covered as Tom pointed > out last week though. I expect it to find some sort of support around 40, > but > would put a stop in just below it for protection. > > But whatever you do, just make sure you lock in some profit. This would be > really sad if you hope for it to go up again and ride it all the way down to > no profit. Yes, 10% profit does not look good compared to the 20% paper > profit you had on Monday but it sure beats 0. :-) > > Regards > - Fanus > > "Ann Hollingworth" wrote: > I already own RLRN, but the stop limit order passed me by. Now I don't know > what to do! > Put stop limit in at 43.75 to keep 20% gain. Because of the high volume, it > doesn't look good. But now I am thinking I should hold on until it goes up > again. Or is that faulty CANSLIM reasoning? > Who recommended "sell" for RLRN? The analysts?? I wish I had sold two days > ago! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Fisher" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:09 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > > > Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not > totally > > comfortable with the chart. > > > > Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or > > this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines > > local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with > > a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a > > contrarian. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN Date: 09 May 2001 19:25:53 -0400 Fortunately I sold NVDA at 30% yesterday. Should have done the same with RLRN (was up 24% in a couple of days), but greed got the better of me. Norman, Mike, thanks. Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:15 PM > Ann, > > As I recall you had a similar problem with NVDA; up 28% for you at one time > I believe. Would that we all had that problem in this market. You seem to > be catching on to the buying end of it. I too have had trouble retaining > 'profits' in the past. I do use sell stop markets to limit my downside. > When you master the selling end please share the wealth on this list :-) > I'm having more trouble keeping profits than accumulating them. > > Norman Boyd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Hollingworth" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN > > > > Tim, Fanus, > > > > Thanks for replies about stop limits. I'm still learning, and this is a > big > > help. > > > > A > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fanus" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:24 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN > > > > > > Hi Ann > > > > I am curious on why you use stop limit orders? I use stop orders, but > never > > limit orders for selling to prevent the exact same thing which happen to > > you. > > If I want to get out, I want to get out. I don't want to miss the boat. > > > > I also owned RLRN, but sold it yesterday. I didn't like the action on > Monday > > when it have another big run-up on huge volume, but closed in the bottom > > half > > of the daily range. Looked like a blow-off top to me. > > > > Having said that, the down volume was high, but still lower than the up > > days. > > The up volume could have been caused by shorts being covered as Tom > pointed > > out last week though. I expect it to find some sort of support around 40, > > but > > would put a stop in just below it for protection. > > > > But whatever you do, just make sure you lock in some profit. This would be > > really sad if you hope for it to go up again and ride it all the way down > to > > no profit. Yes, 10% profit does not look good compared to the 20% paper > > profit you had on Monday but it sure beats 0. :-) > > > > Regards > > - Fanus > > > > "Ann Hollingworth" wrote: > > I already own RLRN, but the stop limit order passed me by. Now I don't > know > > what to do! > > Put stop limit in at 43.75 to keep 20% gain. Because of the high volume, > it > > doesn't look good. But now I am thinking I should hold on until it goes up > > again. Or is that faulty CANSLIM reasoning? > > Who recommended "sell" for RLRN? The analysts?? I wish I had sold two days > > ago! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Fisher" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:09 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > > > > > > Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not > > totally > > > comfortable with the chart. > > > > > > Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, > or > > > this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same > lines > > > local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co > with > > > a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a > > > contrarian. > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN Date: 09 May 2001 18:15:14 -0500 Ann, As I recall you had a similar problem with NVDA; up 28% for you at one time I believe. Would that we all had that problem in this market. You seem to be catching on to the buying end of it. I too have had trouble retaining 'profits' in the past. I do use sell stop markets to limit my downside. When you master the selling end please share the wealth on this list :-) I'm having more trouble keeping profits than accumulating them. Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:53 PM > Tim, Fanus, > > Thanks for replies about stop limits. I'm still learning, and this is a big > help. > > A > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fanus" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:24 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN > > > Hi Ann > > I am curious on why you use stop limit orders? I use stop orders, but never > limit orders for selling to prevent the exact same thing which happen to > you. > If I want to get out, I want to get out. I don't want to miss the boat. > > I also owned RLRN, but sold it yesterday. I didn't like the action on Monday > when it have another big run-up on huge volume, but closed in the bottom > half > of the daily range. Looked like a blow-off top to me. > > Having said that, the down volume was high, but still lower than the up > days. > The up volume could have been caused by shorts being covered as Tom pointed > out last week though. I expect it to find some sort of support around 40, > but > would put a stop in just below it for protection. > > But whatever you do, just make sure you lock in some profit. This would be > really sad if you hope for it to go up again and ride it all the way down to > no profit. Yes, 10% profit does not look good compared to the 20% paper > profit you had on Monday but it sure beats 0. :-) > > Regards > - Fanus > > "Ann Hollingworth" wrote: > I already own RLRN, but the stop limit order passed me by. Now I don't know > what to do! > Put stop limit in at 43.75 to keep 20% gain. Because of the high volume, it > doesn't look good. But now I am thinking I should hold on until it goes up > again. Or is that faulty CANSLIM reasoning? > Who recommended "sell" for RLRN? The analysts?? I wish I had sold two days > ago! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Fisher" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:09 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > > > Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not > totally > > comfortable with the chart. > > > > Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or > > this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines > > local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with > > a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a > > contrarian. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeff.salisbury@xmission.com Date: 09 May 2001 17:08:31 -0600 be forged)) by smtppop1pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id QAA104760475 Wed, 9 May 2001 16:48:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <007f01c0d8d2$ea3e3110$6400a8c0@mikelu3> Reply-To: "Mike Lucero" References: <4.3.1.2.20010509100321.00a9e220@beakportb> <002f01c0d8c9$6c766b20$77381e42@ne.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I think you should expect a stock will pull back after breaking out. It's local pivot seemed to be 38, and it's 1999 high was 43 (according to DGO). As long as it's above the pivot, you should wait. (Your stop should be below the pivot if you bought it "right".) Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:48 PM > I already own RLRN, but the stop limit order passed me by. Now I don't know > what to do! > Put stop limit in at 43.75 to keep 20% gain. Because of the high volume, it > doesn't look good. But now I am thinking I should hold on until it goes up > again. Or is that faulty CANSLIM reasoning? > Who recommended "sell" for RLRN? The analysts?? I wish I had sold two days > ago! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Fisher" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:09 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > > > Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not > totally > > comfortable with the chart. > > > > Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or > > this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines > > local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with > > a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a > > contrarian. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: EPIQ (was Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis + EPIQ article) Date: 09 May 2001 20:10:54 -0400 I am currently averaging about two or so hours on the weekend reviewing the DGO List, plus another 5 or so hours reviewing my watch lists and lists of new highs I accumulated during the week. Monday thru Fri I likely spend about 4-5 hours per day in all, but at least half of that is reading emails from this group, looking at charts of stocks mentioned, and replying to some of the group and private email. The rest of the time is simply maintaining my market awareness by my global roaming, reading stories of what is going on in the European and Asian markets, etc. At work I probably spend less than half an hour a day, and that is spent checking quotes of what I own. So I guess it's in the neighborhood of about 40 hours / week in total. I consider it all to be CANSLIM related, certainly investment related. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:18 PM article) Just curious....how much time per week do you spend on CANSLIM? -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 7:53 PM article) Hi Anna, Lots of looking at charts, lots of time reviewing lists, lots of watching stocks that go up without me, or go down. Lots of mistakes (buying some of the ones that went down). Lots of years learning I don't have to chase stocks like a rabid dog, and learning there will always be another one I like if I just keep looking. Patience has become my greatest ally (second to EPIQ at the moment). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 20:53:49 -0400 The difference between shares outstanding and float cannot ever be simply assumed to belong to Management. Purchases by venture capitalists, shares owned by pre-IPO bridge financiers, shares bot in private placements, and shares owned by owners of companies acquired by the company of interest and paid for partly or fully in stock all have to be counted some way. If these shares were acquired on the open market, then they should be in the float total. If they were acquired in any kind of private transaction, which would include both private placements and prior acquisitions, then likely they are either not being counted at all (in the outstanding, the float, or the difference) unless any restrictions on those shares has expired, and the shares have been registered, or may only be partially counted, or only counted in one category. Part of the "handling" of shares used to depend, at least in part, on whether the shares are restricted. For example, as best I read it, the 900,000 shares of EPIQ bot in a private placement on 12/31/00 (now 1.35 million) were restricted for two years. At the time, EPIQ was reporting earnings based on about 4.8 million shares outstanding. DGO now shows a total of 8.4 million shares outstanding, which accounts for the 3:2 split (4.8 million to 7.2 million), so I presume these shares are being counted. This may signal that EPIQ has lifted the restriction, which I think they can do for outsiders, or may simply mean they are being counted even if still restricted. Likewise, the diluted float (which is not the same as the float, but is usually what is used by most sites when reporting earnings per share comparisons) can change radically as a stock rises, and employee options move "into the money". I did confirm today with DGO that their detail of Funds Ownership only includes mutual funds, not pension funds or any other institutional investor. They pointed out that some 401K plans consist of funds, thus some of the ownership by funds also represents ownership in retirement accts. Convertible bonds, convertible preferred shares, and warrants should also be considered since they usually represent dilution to common stockholders (by virtue of increasing both the issue and the float) (and often a lessening at least short term) of the earnings per share should they be called or otherwise forced to exercise. The offset of reduction of debt (from bond conversion), or reduction of expense (from interest on bonds converted or dividends on preferred stock conversion), or infusion of fresh cash (from warrant exercise) is often not enough to sustain earnings at previous levels. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:13 AM Tom: Thanks for the answer to a question I didn't (but perhaps should have) ask(ed). I thought that that the difference between shares outstanding and float ALWAYS belonged to the management. I didn't realize that venture capitalists were also a part of the equation. Also, are you saying that for sure (since DG has "NA" for management-owned shares) the difference is more than likely or always owned by anyone (for instance, venture capt. or pension funds) but management? jans In a message dated 5/9/2001 7:27:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << DGO shows 13.6 million outstanding, and 11.0 million in the float. But it also shows Management as N/A, thus the 2.6 million difference are more likely held by Venture Capitalists. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Fw: Three year weekly charts [T20010510000D] Date: 09 May 2001 20:59:51 -0400 For current subscribers to DGO, the following may be of interest. I don't understand the reference to monthly charts, since I didn't ask about that, maybe something else on the drawing board or undergoing testing. But I intend to renew before they end the beta testing, just in case they think about raising rates for this. I already renewed my book subscription. I would have preferred five year weekly charts, but maybe that will come in time. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:42 PM Sender : stkguru@netside.net Tracking Number : T20010510000DZ566491 Pool : Daily Graphs Online Sent to : "DGOnline Customer Service" Date : 5/9/01 5:25 PM _____ Hello Tom, Thank you for your recent email to Daily Graphs Online. I can tell you that the new version of Daily Graphs Online should be ready in about a month. The current subscribers will be invited to beta test the new software probably sometime in June with the software being made available to the general public in July. Monthly charts will not be available but 3-year weekly charts as well as intra-day charts will be offered. If you have any other questions or comments, feel free to email us back. Regards, Jorge Daily Graphs Online -----Original Message----- I understand from another member of our CANSLIM discussion group that you are currently testing 3 year weekly charts. Do you plan to open this up to beta testing, and if so, when? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 21:21:52 -0400 sorry, jans, I failed to address your second question. My understanding of "Management N/A" is that management owns such a small position as to be negligible. Thus, by definition, the difference between the issue (shares outstanding) and the float (assuming DGO has correct and current data) is held by outsiders. It may be restricted, or it may be freely tradable, or it may be held under some covenant between the company and the holder (e.g. negotiated in a private placement). Restrictions between the company and the holder are usually easier to remove, but there is no such thing in the securities industry as a permanent restriction if the company is agreeable. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:13 AM Tom: Also, are you saying that for sure (since DG has "NA" for management-owned shares) the difference is more than likely or always owned by anyone (for instance, venture capt. or pension funds) but management? jans In a message dated 5/9/2001 7:27:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << DGO shows 13.6 million outstanding, and 11.0 million in the float. But it also shows Management as N/A, thus the 2.6 million difference are more likely held by Venture Capitalists. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 20:19:16 -0600 I guess my point was that I don't think buying a stock and selling out at +7% is a CANSLIM investment approach. Your answer didn't mention CANSLIM. Maybe post this one elsewhere? At 01:13 AM 5/9/01 EDT, you wrote: >"And why would anyone following CANSLIM be interesting in 2 or 3 points?=A0= I=20 >have read that there are differing time horizons for CANSLIM, but I never= =20 >thought that a 7 or 8% and sell approach was something you were looking for."=20 >=20 >=20 >I'm only looking for a profit, and feel if it breaks out on good volume it = =20 >would be good for at least 2 or 3 points. However should it go much more all =20 >that much better. Past experience tells me most B/O are worth at least a few =20 >points in a short time (1 week) and if I buy 2 K shrs would be a fast 6 K = =20 >profit.=20 >=20 >Chris.=20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: RLRN Date: 09 May 2001 20:27:47 -0600 I have used stop limits a little recently. My reasoning was to put in an order on a drop, but not let my shares go to market as a market order. I was concerned that the daily volume along with the shares I owned, I could loose quite a bit with a market order. In these 2 cases, I did sell at my limit, so it worked out well for me. However, my plan for the future is to buy stocks that are more liquid and avoid this issue!! At 05:24 PM 5/9/01 CDT, you wrote: >Hi Ann > >I am curious on why you use stop limit orders? I use stop orders, but never >limit orders for selling to prevent the exact same thing which happen to you. >If I want to get out, I want to get out. I don't want to miss the boat. > >I also owned RLRN, but sold it yesterday. I didn't like the action on Monday >when it have another big run-up on huge volume, but closed in the bottom half >of the daily range. Looked like a blow-off top to me. > >Having said that, the down volume was high, but still lower than the up days. >The up volume could have been caused by shorts being covered as Tom pointed >out last week though. I expect it to find some sort of support around 40, but >would put a stop in just below it for protection. > >But whatever you do, just make sure you lock in some profit. This would be >really sad if you hope for it to go up again and ride it all the way down to >no profit. Yes, 10% profit does not look good compared to the 20% paper >profit you had on Monday but it sure beats 0. :-) > >Regards >- Fanus > >"Ann Hollingworth" wrote: >I already own RLRN, but the stop limit order passed me by. Now I don't know >what to do! >Put stop limit in at 43.75 to keep 20% gain. Because of the high volume, it >doesn't look good. But now I am thinking I should hold on until it goes up >again. Or is that faulty CANSLIM reasoning? >Who recommended "sell" for RLRN? The analysts?? I wish I had sold two days >ago! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Fisher" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:09 PM >Subject: [CANSLIM] PENN B/O > > >> Great vol, not too extended yet. I took a 1/2 position, as I am not >totally >> comfortable with the chart. >> >> Also watching USLB, wish I had more guts and did not use the $15 limit, or >> this one would have been a home run a few months ago. Along the same lines >> local co. Flir looks intriguing. Also when have you seen a CANSLIM co with >> a "sell" recommendation? Check out RLRN. I'm tempted to buy just to be a >> contrarian. >> >> Tim Fisher >> Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites >> >> Tim@OreRockOn.com >> WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >> See naked fish and rocks! >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tracie Oken" Subject: [CANSLIM] re: [canslim] adding to a current position Date: 09 May 2001 20:14:31 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02BB_01C0D8C4.A811C3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are the CANSLIM rules for adding to your position on a stock? I = have a couple of stocks, SERO and SKX, that are up 25% and 12.5% = respectively for the last week and a half and continuing to show = strength. Do you wait for a pull back and a new base then another = breakout? Don't want to buy if over extended and risk wiping out = original investment but also want to maximize my profits. Thanks for your help Tracie Oken ------=_NextPart_000_02BB_01C0D8C4.A811C3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What are the CANSLIM rules for adding = to your=20 position on a stock?  I have a couple of stocks, SERO and SKX, that = are up=20 25% and 12.5% respectively for the last week and a half and continuing = to show=20 strength.  Do you wait for a pull back and a new base then another=20 breakout?  Don't want to buy if over extended and risk wiping out = original=20 investment but also want to maximize my profits.
 
Thanks for your help
 
Tracie Oken
 
------=_NextPart_000_02BB_01C0D8C4.A811C3A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 23:13:34 EDT --part1_5f.14b4c27f.282b615e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, I didn't realize that canslim investing would yield a minimum percentage gain before it would be considered canslim investing, boy have I been missing the boat. So enlighten me and tell me what that magic percentage gain is that I need to wait for, and by the way while your at it how many years do I wait for that magic percentage. Chris. --part1_5f.14b4c27f.282b615e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, I didn't realize that canslim investing would yield a minimum percentage
gain before it would be considered canslim investing, boy have I been missing
the boat. So enlighten me and tell me what that magic percentage gain is that
I need to wait for, and by the way while your at it how many years do I wait
for that magic percentage.

Chris. --part1_5f.14b4c27f.282b615e_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 21:30:21 -0600 From HTMMIS (that would be the CANSLIM book by William O'Neil in case you missed it), page 107, under "When to be patient and hold a stock" #2 "...You should give securities 13 weeks after your first purchase week before you conclude that a stock that hasn't moved is a dull, faulty selection. This, of course, applies only if the stock did not reach your defensive sell price first." I guess your message seemed to encourage an approach very different to this. At 11:13 PM 5/9/01 EDT, you wrote: >Oh, I didn't realize that canslim investing would yield a minimum percentage >gain before it would be considered canslim investing, boy have I been missing >the boat. So enlighten me and tell me what that magic percentage gain is that >I need to wait for, and by the way while your at it how many years do I wait >for that magic percentage. > >Chris. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 23:37:45 EDT --part1_cc.14a54b76.282b6709_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have read all of WO books but don't follow all of what his books advocate. I add my own ingredients to his recipe. I do like most of what he says but not to the letter. Chris. --part1_cc.14a54b76.282b6709_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have read all of WO books but don't follow all of what his books advocate.
I add my own ingredients to his recipe. I do like most of what he says but
not to the letter.

Chris. --part1_cc.14a54b76.282b6709_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 23:40:27 EDT Thank, Tom. jans In a message dated 5/9/2001 9:24:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << sorry, jans, I failed to address your second question. My understanding of "Management N/A" is that management owns such a small position as to be negligible. Thus, by definition, the difference between the issue (shares outstanding) and the float (assuming DGO has correct and current data) is held by outsiders. It may be restricted, or it may be freely tradable, or it may be held under some covenant between the company and the holder (e.g. negotiated in a private placement). Restrictions between the company and the holder are usually easier to remove, but there is no such thing in the securities industry as a permanent restriction if the company is agreeable. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 21:26:35 -0700 Re-read Chapter 10. One of the interesting things about canslim is learning to let the market tell you when to sell or hold, not just at a pre-determined price.There are I believe 36 selling rules and 5 holding rules. I've had my book 3 years and still have to refer to this area. Last year I went back over my 1998-99 investing season to compare it to the selling rules of the book. Now that was an interesting task! While I made some good money (heck, we all did in those days) I stood to make a lot more had I more patience. I should also point out that at the end of the chapter it says," Achieving giant profits in a stock usually takes one to three years time and patience". The last paragraph reads," You've just read one of the most valuble chapters in this book". I have to agree! -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:13 PM > Oh, I didn't realize that canslim investing would yield a minimum percentage > gain before it would be considered canslim investing, boy have I been missing > the boat. So enlighten me and tell me what that magic percentage gain is that > I need to wait for, and by the way while your at it how many years do I wait > for that magic percentage. > > Chris. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Maguire Subject: Re: EPIQ (was Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis + EPIQ article) Date: 09 May 2001 21:29:50 -0700 Tom ..nice work schedule...no wonder your info is good ..Best, Joe Maguire Tom Worley wrote: > I am currently averaging about two or so hours on the weekend > reviewing the DGO List, plus another 5 or so hours reviewing my > watch lists and lists of new highs I accumulated during the week. > Monday thru Fri I likely spend about 4-5 hours per day in all, > but at least half of that is reading emails from this group, > looking at charts of stocks mentioned, and replying to some of > the group and private email. The rest of the time is simply > maintaining my market awareness by my global roaming, reading > stories of what is going on in the European and Asian markets, > etc. At work I probably spend less than half an hour a day, and > that is spent checking quotes of what I own. > > So I guess it's in the neighborhood of about 40 hours / week in > total. I consider it all to be CANSLIM related, certainly > investment related. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Bojanowski > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:18 PM > Subject: RE: EPIQ (was Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis + EPIQ > article) > > Just curious....how much time per week do you spend on CANSLIM? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 7:53 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: EPIQ (was Re: [CANSLIM] ALLY Analysis + EPIQ > article) > > Hi Anna, > > Lots of looking at charts, lots of time reviewing lists, lots of > watching stocks that go up without me, or go down. Lots of > mistakes (buying some of the ones that went down). Lots of years > learning I don't have to chase stocks like a rabid dog, and > learning there will always be another one I like if I just keep > looking. > > Patience has become my greatest ally (second to EPIQ at the > moment). > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 09 May 2001 23:33:13 -0700 I see nothing wrong in booking some profit if one discerns (by whatever means one is relying upon) that that profit is vaporizing! I do not think we are counseled to wait for the 8% loss from purchase price. Dan Bill Triffet wrote: > Re-read Chapter 10. One of the interesting things about canslim is learning > to let the market tell you when to sell or hold, not just at a > pre-determined price.There are I believe 36 selling rules and 5 holding > rules. I've had my book 3 years and still have to refer to this area. Last > year I went back over my 1998-99 investing season to compare it to the > selling rules of the book. Now that was an interesting task! While I made > some good money (heck, we all did in those days) I stood to make a lot more > had I more patience. > > I should also point out that at the end of the chapter it says," Achieving > giant profits in a stock usually takes one to three years time and > patience". The last paragraph reads," You've just read one of the most > valuble chapters in this book". I have to agree! > > -Bill Triffet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:13 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX > > > Oh, I didn't realize that canslim investing would yield a minimum > percentage > > gain before it would be considered canslim investing, boy have I been > missing > > the boat. So enlighten me and tell me what that magic percentage gain is > that > > I need to wait for, and by the way while your at it how many years do I > wait > > for that magic percentage. > > > > Chris. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 10 May 2001 07:26:19 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0D922.8211E460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, in my opinion, you follow very little of CANSLIM or what WON = teaches. Forget "not to the letter", very few I know do, everyone = tailors it to suit their style, risk tolerance, time to watch the = market, etc. But far too often, you are hardly in the alphabet, much = less on target with even half of the letters C A N S L I M. This group = is a CANSLIM group, that's what it's for, and we get many new members = that may think you know what you are doing, and follow your lead.=20 Frankly, I am tired of having to watch out for your day trading posts, = and check out the stocks, so that new members are not caught in your = trap. If you really understand CANSLIM enough to know when your stocks = are not a legitimate candidate, then say so in your subject line so I, = and many others, can simply hit delete. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX I have read all of WO books but don't follow all of what his books = advocate.=20 I add my own ingredients to his recipe. I do like most of what he says = but=20 not to the letter.=20 Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0D922.8211E460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris, in my opinion, you follow very little of = CANSLIM or=20 what WON teaches. Forget "not to the letter", very few I know do, = everyone=20 tailors it to suit their style, risk tolerance, time to watch the = market, etc.=20 But far too often, you are hardly in the alphabet, much less on target = with even=20 half of the letters C A N S L I M. This group is a CANSLIM group, that's = what=20 it's for, and we get many new members that may think you know what you = are=20 doing, and follow your lead.
 
Frankly, I am tired of having to watch out for your = day=20 trading posts, and check out the stocks, so that new members are not = caught in=20 your trap. If you really understand CANSLIM enough to know when your = stocks are=20 not a legitimate candidate, then say so in your subject line so I, and = many=20 others, can simply hit delete.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 = 11:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = OFIX

I have read = all of WO=20 books but don't follow all of what his books advocate.
I add my = own=20 ingredients to his recipe. I do like most of what he says but
not = to the=20 letter.

Chris. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C0D922.8211E460-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] re: [canslim] adding to a current position Date: 10 May 2001 08:09:48 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C0D928.95092E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tracie, WON says, on page 106 (1st Ed, HTMMIS) "The winning investor's objective = should be to have one or two winners rather than dozens of very small = profits (this is in bold). It is much better to have a number of small = losses and a few very big profits. One way to maneuver your portfolio = toward concentrated positions is to follow up and make one or two = smaller additional buys in stocks that have advanced 2 to 3% or so above = your original or last purchase price. At the same time, sell and = eliminate those that start to show losses, before they become big = losses." Many people following CANSLIM may buy half the position they intend to = own on the first purchase, then an additional third on the second = purchase, and the balance on the third (all presuming the chart gives = you three separate entry points). Each entry point should be evaluated = the same way as the first one, altho you might not wait for as long a = base. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tracie Oken=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] re: [canslim] adding to a current position What are the CANSLIM rules for adding to your position on a stock? I = have a couple of stocks, SERO and SKX, that are up 25% and 12.5% = respectively for the last week and a half and continuing to show = strength. Do you wait for a pull back and a new base then another = breakout? Don't want to buy if over extended and risk wiping out = original investment but also want to maximize my profits. =20 Thanks for your help =20 Tracie Oken =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C0D928.95092E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tracie,
 
WON says, on page 106 (1st Ed, HTMMIS) "The winning = investor's=20 objective should be to have one or two winners rather than dozens of = very small=20 profits (this is in bold). It is much better to have a number of small = losses=20 and a few very big profits. One way to maneuver your portfolio toward=20 concentrated positions is to follow up and make one or two smaller = additional=20 buys in stocks that have advanced 2 to 3% or so above your original or = last=20 purchase price. At the same time, sell and eliminate those that start to = show=20 losses, before they become big losses."
 
Many people following CANSLIM may buy half the = position they=20 intend to own on the first purchase, then an additional third on the = second=20 purchase, and the balance on the third (all presuming the chart gives = you three=20 separate entry points). Each entry point should be evaluated the same = way as the=20 first one, altho you might not wait for as long a base.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tracie = Oken=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 = 11:14=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] re: = [canslim] adding=20 to a current position

What are the CANSLIM rules for adding = to your=20 position on a stock?  I have a couple of stocks, SERO and SKX, = that are=20 up 25% and 12.5% respectively for the last week and a half and = continuing to=20 show strength.  Do you wait for a pull back and a new base then = another=20 breakout?  Don't want to buy if over extended and risk wiping out = original investment but also want to maximize my profits.
 
Thanks for your help
 
Tracie Oken
 
------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C0D928.95092E60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Lumpkin Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 10 May 2001 08:49:50 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D958.1852BAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Chris, I have to echo what Tom is saying here. I've only been a "lurker" on this board for the past couple of months, but I've expended way too much time reading your messages which really don't belong here. Please consider not posting them unless they are more on topic. Tony Lumpkin tlumpkin@earthlink.net Chris, in my opinion, you follow very little of CANSLIM or what WON teaches. Forget "not to the letter", very few I know do, everyone tailors it to suit their style, risk tolerance, time to watch the market, etc. But far too often, you are hardly in the alphabet, much less on target with even half of the letters C A N S L I M. This group is a CANSLIM group, that's what it's for, and we get many new members that may think you know what you are doing, and follow your lead. Frankly, I am tired of having to watch out for your day trading posts, and check out the stocks, so that new members are not caught in your trap. If you really understand CANSLIM enough to know when your stocks are not a legitimate candidate, then say so in your subject line so I, and many others, can simply hit delete. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:37 PM I have read all of WO books but don't follow all of what his books advocate. I add my own ingredients to his recipe. I do like most of what he says but not to the letter. Chris. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D958.1852BAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Chris,
 
I have to echo what Tom is saying here.  I've only been a "lurker" on this board for the past couple of months, but I've expended way too much time reading your messages which really don't belong here.  Please consider not posting them unless they are more on topic.
 
Tony Lumpkin
Chris, in my opinion, you follow very little of CANSLIM or what WON teaches. Forget "not to the letter", very few I know do, everyone tailors it to suit their style, risk tolerance, time to watch the market, etc. But far too often, you are hardly in the alphabet, much less on target with even half of the letters C A N S L I M. This group is a CANSLIM group, that's what it's for, and we get many new members that may think you know what you are doing, and follow your lead.
 
Frankly, I am tired of having to watch out for your day trading posts, and check out the stocks, so that new members are not caught in your trap. If you really understand CANSLIM enough to know when your stocks are not a legitimate candidate, then say so in your subject line so I, and many others, can simply hit delete.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX

I have read all of WO books but don't follow all of what his books advocate.
I add my own ingredients to his recipe. I do like most of what he says but
not to the letter.

Chris.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D958.1852BAC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WLSN broke out on a large volume increase today. Date: 10 May 2001 07:36:25 -0700 Man were you right about that. I figured that with 2/3 months blowing out, the Q would be easy. Better to wait for final announced resluts and outlook. The nice thing is that I could unload here around $19.25 for a manageable 4% loss from the $20 1/8 pivot last week. You know you're in a bull market when that happens. It wasn't long ago that awful news like WLSN's was a guarantee of a 50% haircut. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:13 PM > Unfortunately, Ian, only speculation on how the 1st qtr may turn > out, or more importantly how investors, esp institutionals, will > react to it. Looks like this company loses money for three qtrs, > then makes it all in the 4th qtr. I can recall my wife and I > exchanging leather jackets during the post-Christmas sales, so > understand that. > > So maybe the 1st qtr they will lose less than the 5 cents they > lost last year. But the low trailing PE again, like PIR, suggests > that expectations are not very high. And with two of the three > months of Q2 sales already known, still expectation is not > driving the price higher (if you don't count today). With their > "big" quarter now out of the way, where's the excitement to drive > expectations for another nine months. That's one of the problems > with cyclical stocks heavily focused on one or two qtrs. > > Chart wise, I just see the current base from which it broke > today. The longer term pattern, esp in light of all the other > background noise ("M", economics, etc) only seem to confuse the > picture. If this is the handle to a cup, then at seven weeks, it > is suspiciously long. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian > To: > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:00 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] WLSN broke out on a large volume increase > today. > > > I see a nice cup from late August to early March, followed by a > shallow > handle. The pivot point was $20 1/8, and there was a nice window > early this > morning to get in there. As an added bonus, it also moved past > its 52-week > high of $21 1/2 today. Volume was impressive. > > They have announced sales results for Feb and Mar (up 25% and > 34%), so > perhaps they will have a strong Q and not lose money. WLSN is in > an > ultra-lumpy business, so sequential numbers mean nothing, but the > year-over-year #'s look good - and the P/E is less than 10. > > We'll see. > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Canslim/Haiku Date: 10 May 2001 08:04:19 -0700 I like the first page of stocks except JKHY is not "pure CANSLIM" as its GRS is in the toilet. I have noticed that these types of services often ignore fundies in order to give you something to look at, when in reality there are very few pure CANSLIM stocks in a C&H at any given time. On 04:30 PM 5/9/01, DiFabio, Nancy Said: >I am attaching a daily list of cups and handles from Haiku Laboratories. >This list is from a trusted source. >Let me know if this list (especially pcsc)is useful to any of you and if >you want me to continue to forward it. >Nancy Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 10 May 2001 08:05:46 -0700 If you had read HTMMIS, which I doubt you have from your ignorance of the basic principles of CANSLIM investing, you would know that your target is a 20% gain on each stock. If you don't think it can deliver a 20% gain, then you shouldn't be here. On 08:13 PM 5/9/01, Vanchee1@aol.com Said: >Oh, I didn't realize that canslim investing would yield a minimum percentage >gain before it would be considered canslim investing, boy have I been missing >the boat. So enlighten me and tell me what that magic percentage gain is that >I need to wait for, and by the way while your at it how many years do I wait >for that magic percentage. > >Chris. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 10 May 2001 08:25:24 -0700 Dan, Very true. But when you say "by whatever means one is relying upon", in this group it should be referring to canslim selling rules - not just a predermined few point gain. When you go into a trade with the idea, " I'm going to sell when I make 7%" or some other value, that is not canslim. -Bill ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:33 PM > I see nothing wrong in booking some profit if one discerns (by whatever means > one is relying upon) that that profit is vaporizing! I do not think we are > counseled to wait for the 8% loss from purchase price. > > Dan > > Bill Triffet wrote: > > > Re-read Chapter 10. One of the interesting things about canslim is learning > > to let the market tell you when to sell or hold, not just at a > > pre-determined price.There are I believe 36 selling rules and 5 holding > > rules. I've had my book 3 years and still have to refer to this area. Last > > year I went back over my 1998-99 investing season to compare it to the > > selling rules of the book. Now that was an interesting task! While I made > > some good money (heck, we all did in those days) I stood to make a lot more > > had I more patience. > > > > I should also point out that at the end of the chapter it says," Achieving > > giant profits in a stock usually takes one to three years time and > > patience". The last paragraph reads," You've just read one of the most > > valuble chapters in this book". I have to agree! > > > > -Bill Triffet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX > > > > > Oh, I didn't realize that canslim investing would yield a minimum > > percentage > > > gain before it would be considered canslim investing, boy have I been > > missing > > > the boat. So enlighten me and tell me what that magic percentage gain is > > that > > > I need to wait for, and by the way while your at it how many years do I > > wait > > > for that magic percentage. > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] re: [canslim] adding to a current position Date: 10 May 2001 08:23:24 -0700 I don't think there are rules for adding to a position, and if there were, it would be to look at it as a new purchase, i.e. ignore that you hold it, and look at the fundies and chart. Would you buy it now? Is it extended? I rarely add to my positions unless I took a 1/2 position and then decided the risk was a good one, and could still get in for about what I paid the first time. I _used to_ average up & down but that was pre-CANSLIM, and I didn't like the results. Averaged down on DIS and that was a disaster, pyramided up on DELL and that was a home run, but more losses than gains resulted as I recall. On 08:14 PM 5/9/01, Tracie Oken Said: >What are the CANSLIM rules for adding to your position on a stock? I have >a couple of stocks, SERO and SKX, that are up 25% and 12.5% respectively >for the last week and a half and continuing to show strength. Do you wait >for a pull back and a new base then another breakout? Don't want to buy >if over extended and risk wiping out original investment but also want to >maximize my profits. > >Thanks for your help > >Tracie Oken > Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: [CANSLIM] cpmments on evg and kmp? Date: 10 May 2001 12:03:36 -0400 Both have good canslim numbers. What do you think about charts? I am confused about evg: has it broken out a couple of days ago? Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Lumpkin Subject: [CANSLIM] FEIC Date: 10 May 2001 11:06:15 -0500 I would like some feedback on FEIC. Good CANSLIM #'s at: 76 81 A A A 3 yr EPS at 0% according to investors.com though. Broke out today on good volume. Not sure what to call chart formation though. Tony Lumpkin tlumpkin@earthlink.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FEIC Date: 10 May 2001 09:37:34 -0700 I would call it a weak double bottom. Chart wise, the problem I see is the second bottom is not deeper than the first which my make it more prone to fail. Quite a move today though. -Bill ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:06 AM > I would like some feedback on FEIC. > > Good CANSLIM #'s at: 76 81 A A A > > 3 yr EPS at 0% according to investors.com though. > > Broke out today on good volume. Not sure what to call chart formation > though. > > Tony Lumpkin > tlumpkin@earthlink.net > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX Date: 10 May 2001 09:46:23 -0700 Hi Bill, When I said "by whatever means one is relying upon", I should have been a bit more specific. CANSLIM is not a short term trading tool and to go to all the effort, energy and analysis that it takes, to pick up a few points is not an efficient use of ones resources. Frankly I have a great deal of difficulty with 36 selling rules, and the decision making process that I have to go through to apply the proper one(s). I am good for about six. I am comfortable in the application of a few technical indicators, chart formations and setups to the price chart to help me in that decision making process to establish as well as exit a position. Being a visual person, I have difficulty in reading a description (put screw A in hole 4, and attach B3 to screw A), but if I can see it or see it done, I am ok with the process. Many of the breakouts, charts that are in the process of forming and consolidation that are posted here and talked about fail, pull back into the consolidation area, or just set there. I think there are tools to technically available to look into those periods of consolidation and determine if accumulation or distribution is occurring thus establishing a position that is more likely to be successful. So, if a breakout is vulnerable to failure, then I would rather get out it with a profit, if possible. Chris is an interesting guy, getting defensive and getting his shorts in a knot when he gets bagged on for not playing by the O'Neil rule book. It seems that he looks around for charts that look like canslim cup and handles and calls them CANSLIM stocks. I suspect that he does not have O'Neil compliant information, per se. I have yet to see any CANSLIM pedigree stuff about any of his stocks, however often he is challenged. Neither do I. I am just not going to victimize you all with it. I am an apostate CANSLIMian. The major "big idea" of it, for me, is the quantification of stocks with fundamentally strong numbers. Then I can screen them, look at my indicators and go from there. And with the "M" behaving like it has been for a long time now, I have been enjoying the lack of anxiety of being stockless, position less and preserving my remaining assets from the debacle of last year. Dan Bill Triffet wrote: > Dan, > > Very true. But when you say "by whatever means one is relying upon", in this > group it should be referring to canslim selling rules - not just a > predermined few point gain. When you go into a trade with the idea, " I'm > going to sell when I make 7%" or some other value, that is not canslim. > > -Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX > > > I see nothing wrong in booking some profit if one discerns (by whatever > means > > one is relying upon) that that profit is vaporizing! I do not think we > are > > counseled to wait for the 8% loss from purchase price. > > > > Dan > > > > Bill Triffet wrote: > > > > > Re-read Chapter 10. One of the interesting things about canslim is > learning > > > to let the market tell you when to sell or hold, not just at a > > > pre-determined price.There are I believe 36 selling rules and 5 holding > > > rules. I've had my book 3 years and still have to refer to this area. > Last > > > year I went back over my 1998-99 investing season to compare it to the > > > selling rules of the book. Now that was an interesting task! While I > made > > > some good money (heck, we all did in those days) I stood to make a lot > more > > > had I more patience. > > > > > > I should also point out that at the end of the chapter it says," > Achieving > > > giant profits in a stock usually takes one to three years time and > > > patience". The last paragraph reads," You've just read one of the most > > > valuble chapters in this book". I have to agree! > > > > > > -Bill Triffet > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:13 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFIX > > > > > > > Oh, I didn't realize that canslim investing would yield a minimum > > > percentage > > > > gain before it would be considered canslim investing, boy have I been > > > missing > > > > the boat. So enlighten me and tell me what that magic percentage gain > is > > > that > > > > I need to wait for, and by the way while your at it how many years do > I > > > wait > > > > for that magic percentage. > > > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] Using Metastock with CANSLIM Date: 10 May 2001 14:26:25 -0400 I am a new user of Metastock Pro 7.2 with Esignal Realtime. I used the export to Excel function of DGO and created my custom list of DGO symbols I want to follow and imported these symbols into Metastock then downloaded the historical data. Is there anyone using Metastock to help find CANSLIM breakouts, cup and handles etc? If so, I would appreciate some feedback on what tools you use in Metastock and how you set up alerts (if any), etc. Thanks, Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Sell Rules, was OFIX Date: 10 May 2001 11:32:39 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:46 AM Hi Dan, > When I said "by whatever means one is relying upon", I should have been a bit > more specific. CANSLIM is not a short term trading tool and to go to all the > effort, energy and analysis that it takes, to pick up a few points is not an > efficient use of ones resources. Frankly I have a great deal of difficulty > with 36 selling rules, and the decision making process that I have to go through > to apply the proper one(s). I am good for about six. I am comfortable in the > application of a few technical indicators, chart formations and setups to the > price chart to help me in that decision making process to establish as well as > exit a position. Being a visual person, I have difficulty in reading a > description (put screw A in hole 4, and attach B3 to screw A), but if I can see > it or see it done, I am ok with the process. I too have only memorized a few of the selling rules. 36 is a lot! I'm tempted to just make a printout of them and keep it on my desk. I've found that I'm still cheating on the entry points (+8-9%) and then having to sell on the inevidable pullback. The classic mistake (g) > Many of the breakouts, charts that are in the process of forming and > consolidation that are posted here and talked about fail, pull back into the > consolidation area, or just set there. I think there are tools to technically > available to look into those periods of consolidation and determine if > accumulation or distribution is occurring thus establishing a position that is > more likely to be successful. So, if a breakout is vulnerable to failure, then > I would rather get out it with a profit, if possible. For me that would be volume though I still have a hard time reading it. I was using Clearstation for much of my tracking but found the volume indicators there are useless. I'm thinking the new IBD online charts (free to paper subscribers) in weekly form will help smooth it out. The examples in yesterdays Investors Corner made that apparent. > And with the "M" behaving like it has been for a long time now, I have been > enjoying the lack of anxiety of being stockless, position less and preserving my > remaining assets from the debacle of last year. Same here. I made only 5 trades last year after last March which netted only a 5% loss to my portfolio. I have since made a few more this year getting my feet wet again but still 60% cash. -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Gottlieb" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] re: [canslim] adding to a current position Date: 10 May 2001 22:01:13 +0300 Dear Tracie, WON also mentions that you can buy after a pull back to the 50 day moving average. This happened to HOTT in after hour trading yesterday evening. It hit a low of $27.80 in after hour trading and openned today at $28.50 before taking off today on high volume.(The 50 day moving average is presently about $28.20) Menachem >From: Tim Fisher >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] re: [canslim] adding to a current position >Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:23:24 -0700 > >I don't think there are rules for adding to a position, and if there were, >it would be to look at it as a new purchase, i.e. ignore that you hold it, >and look at the fundies and chart. Would you buy it now? Is it extended? I >rarely add to my positions unless I took a 1/2 position and then decided >the risk was a good one, and could still get in for about what I paid the >first time. I _used to_ average up & down but that was pre-CANSLIM, and I >didn't like the results. Averaged down on DIS and that was a disaster, >pyramided up on DELL and that was a home run, but more losses than gains >resulted as I recall. > >On 08:14 PM 5/9/01, Tracie Oken Said: >>What are the CANSLIM rules for adding to your position on a stock? I have >>a couple of stocks, SERO and SKX, that are up 25% and 12.5% respectively >>for the last week and a half and continuing to show strength. Do you wait >>for a pull back and a new base then another breakout? Don't want to buy >>if over extended and risk wiping out original investment but also want to >>maximize my profits. >> >>Thanks for your help >> >>Tracie Oken >> > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] re: [canslim] adding to a current position Date: 10 May 2001 15:46:25 EDT Tim: Is the main exception to not adding to your position 2nd stage bases (ie. a base on a base whereby the stock BO 10-20% and then falters but consolidates above the pivot point)? I can understand why you don't average down, but if the stock is giving strong messages why won't you average up? At the 20% gain mark, would you have closed your position, and then said to yourself, I can't buy any more because the stock is too extended? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FEIC Date: 10 May 2001 16:04:23 EDT Tony: Not really certain what you mean when you say, "3 year EPS is 0%". According to DG-Online Annual earnings growth is very good: they are in 2000, 2001, and 2002, respectively, 75%, 109% and 28%. jans In a message dated 5/10/2001 12:14:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TLumpkin@clayton.forevernetwork.com writes: << I would like some feedback on FEIC. Good CANSLIM #'s at: 76 81 A A A 3 yr EPS at 0% according to investors.com though. Broke out today on good volume. Not sure what to call chart formation though. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Lumpkin Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] FEIC Date: 10 May 2001 15:02:42 -0500 Jans, On the investors.com "stock checkup" under "vital statistics", it reflects a 3 year earnings per share rate of 0%. I'm not sure if it's correct or not given the info on DGO. Tony -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:04 PM Tony: Not really certain what you mean when you say, "3 year EPS is 0%". According to DG-Online Annual earnings growth is very good: they are in 2000, 2001, and 2002, respectively, 75%, 109% and 28%. jans In a message dated 5/10/2001 12:14:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TLumpkin@clayton.forevernetwork.com writes: << I would like some feedback on FEIC. Good CANSLIM #'s at: 76 81 A A A 3 yr EPS at 0% according to investors.com though. Broke out today on good volume. Not sure what to call chart formation though. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] re: [canslim] adding to a current position Date: 10 May 2001 14:09:05 -0700 Yes, and yes. I don't rule out buying after a failed B/O and subsequent base, but I don't like to buy extended stocks, unless they are LLURs. E.g., I currently own USPH, ATVI, and THQI, all of which, were I to look at the "fresh", I would not consider buying because they are extended. I don't close out 20% gainers any more, although I think it is a good idea for a beginner. I had been selling 1/2 at +20-25% during the bad "M" but that was for reasons of fear, not sound CANSLIM reasons. P.S. IMHO today was a big red flag, a classic distribution day on almost everything I own. They all opened up and closed down except ATVI, which opened up and closed with a small gain. I tightened my stops this afternoon to -10% on everything. On 12:46 PM 5/10/01, Spencer48@aol.com Said: >Tim: > > Is the main exception to not adding to your position 2nd stage bases >(ie. a base on a base whereby the stock BO 10-20% and then falters but >consolidates above the pivot point)? > > I can understand why you don't average down, but if the stock is giving >strong messages why won't you average up? At the 20% gain mark, would you >have closed your position, and then said to yourself, I can't buy any more >because the stock is too extended? > >jans > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: [CANSLIM] Selling ROYL? Date: 10 May 2001 14:28:06 -0700 Well, I guess I haven't learned my lessons but I lucked out. I picked up a little ROYL Tuesday morning at 11.35 share. Since then, I'm now at a +32% profit. Yes, it was under $15 and yes, it was extended. Now I'm thinking a hefty pull-back is in order. Perhaps sell half when it falls to +20%? -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WLSN broke out on a large volume increase today. Date: 10 May 2001 19:20:14 -0400 Sorry I was right, Ian. I just read the earnings warning released yesterday, and this doesn't sound like a stock I would want to own during the next six months, at least. And especially if this rally continues to hold. Closing at the high today, after the opening gap down, may be encouraging for the short term, but I would not trust it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 10:36 AM today. Man were you right about that. I figured that with 2/3 months blowing out, the Q would be easy. Better to wait for final announced resluts and outlook. The nice thing is that I could unload here around $19.25 for a manageable 4% loss from the $20 1/8 pivot last week. You know you're in a bull market when that happens. It wasn't long ago that awful news like WLSN's was a guarantee of a 50% haircut. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 8:13 PM today. > Unfortunately, Ian, only speculation on how the 1st qtr may turn > out, or more importantly how investors, esp institutionals, will > react to it. Looks like this company loses money for three qtrs, > then makes it all in the 4th qtr. I can recall my wife and I > exchanging leather jackets during the post-Christmas sales, so > understand that. > > So maybe the 1st qtr they will lose less than the 5 cents they > lost last year. But the low trailing PE again, like PIR, suggests > that expectations are not very high. And with two of the three > months of Q2 sales already known, still expectation is not > driving the price higher (if you don't count today). With their > "big" quarter now out of the way, where's the excitement to drive > expectations for another nine months. That's one of the problems > with cyclical stocks heavily focused on one or two qtrs. > > Chart wise, I just see the current base from which it broke > today. The longer term pattern, esp in light of all the other > background noise ("M", economics, etc) only seem to confuse the > picture. If this is the handle to a cup, then at seven weeks, it > is suspiciously long. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian > To: > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:00 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] WLSN broke out on a large volume increase > today. > > > I see a nice cup from late August to early March, followed by a > shallow > handle. The pivot point was $20 1/8, and there was a nice window > early this > morning to get in there. As an added bonus, it also moved past > its 52-week > high of $21 1/2 today. Volume was impressive. > > They have announced sales results for Feb and Mar (up 25% and > 34%), so > perhaps they will have a strong Q and not lose money. WLSN is in > an > ultra-lumpy business, so sequential numbers mean nothing, but the > year-over-year #'s look good - and the P/E is less than 10. > > We'll see. > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FEIC Date: 10 May 2001 19:38:07 -0400 Hi Tony, I see the chart pattern more as a slightly ragged c&h, with the left rim at 30.13 in late Jan, and the handle forming in the past two weeks just under 30. Today's move, if sustained, means its now more than 10% extended. But the spike up today could turn into a HTF, but will take some days to know that. Or, it might drop right back down to the handle. I see no news today, but do notice there was a filing 4/23 for 2 million new shares, plus 4 million shares then held by Phillips. This may have something to do with the volume. DGO has the 5 year earnings growth as "N/A" due to the hugely increased year to year loss in 1997. Maybe that is what is causing investors.com to report 3 year as zero, as it certainly appears to be an error. Percentage growth the past three years is - '97 to ''98 = 78% reduction of the loss; '98 to '99 = 91% improvement from a loss to a similar gain; and '99 to '00 = 63% improvement of the gain. Fundies appear good, with earnings accelerating on slower growth in sales. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:02 PM Jans, On the investors.com "stock checkup" under "vital statistics", it reflects a 3 year earnings per share rate of 0%. I'm not sure if it's correct or not given the info on DGO. Tony -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 3:04 PM Tony: Not really certain what you mean when you say, "3 year EPS is 0%". According to DG-Online Annual earnings growth is very good: they are in 2000, 2001, and 2002, respectively, 75%, 109% and 28%. jans In a message dated 5/10/2001 12:14:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TLumpkin@clayton.forevernetwork.com writes: << I would like some feedback on FEIC. Good CANSLIM #'s at: 76 81 A A A 3 yr EPS at 0% according to investors.com though. Broke out today on good volume. Not sure what to call chart formation though. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Selling ROYL? Date: 10 May 2001 19:54:20 -0400 Nice Pick, Bill, I have had ROYL on watch for some time. Missed the entry while in the $7 base, got surprised when it shot out of the 2 week base at $9. I suspected the blowout Q4 of 51 cents vs 4 cents was not trustworthy, and hesitated. Today's earnings reported before the opening of 74 cents diluted vs 4 cents, and sales of $5.95 million vs 1.09 million, now make Q4 look almost lame! It may pull back, but with such a low trailing and projected PE, (earnings forecast this year for $1.38, so it just did half that in one qtr), I would be inclined to give it some room to roam. Note that it only has a 2 million share float, and an ADV of 29,300 (altho today will change that with over 200,000 trading). I would have to assume, barring any comments by the company, that expectations should be very high on this one for a while. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:28 PM Well, I guess I haven't learned my lessons but I lucked out. I picked up a little ROYL Tuesday morning at 11.35 share. Since then, I'm now at a +32% profit. Yes, it was under $15 and yes, it was extended. Now I'm thinking a hefty pull-back is in order. Perhaps sell half when it falls to +20%? -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 10 May 2001 20:03:15 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C0D98C.405476E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Members, If any of you already own EPIQ, or are just watching, thought I would = mention something in case you had missed it (as I had until today). On = May 1, the company filed with the SEC to register the original 900,000 = shares (now 1.35 million) sold in a private placement on 12/31/00. The = original sale price was $15, so split adjusted is now $10, a handsome = profit for the investors that participated. Most of them hold = additional shares bought in the open market either before or since, = however Warburg Emerging Growth Fund was the major buyer (now of 825,000 = shares) and has no other shares. This makes me expect that most of their = shares, and possibly some of the others as well, have already or will = hit soon hit the market place. It's hard for a fund manager to resist = locking in a 174.5% profit in under five months, especially when the "M" = has been so terrible for most of that time. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C0D98C.405476E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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If any of you already own EPIQ, or are just = watching, thought=20 I would mention something in case you had missed it (as I had until = today). On=20 May 1, the company filed with the SEC to register the original 900,000 = shares=20 (now 1.35 million) sold in a private placement on 12/31/00. The original = sale=20 price was $15, so split adjusted is now $10, a handsome profit for the = investors=20 that participated.  Most of them hold additional shares bought in = the open=20 market either before or since, however Warburg Emerging Growth Fund was = the=20 major buyer (now of 825,000 shares) and has no other shares. This makes = me=20 expect that most of their shares, and possibly some of the others as = well, have=20 already or will hit soon hit the market place. It's hard for a fund = manager to=20 resist locking in a 174.5% profit in under five months, especially when = the "M"=20 has been so terrible for most of that time.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C0D98C.405476E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Selling ROYL? Date: 10 May 2001 17:16:21 -0700 Tom, Being my first real success of the year I wanted to keep it in perspective and not be "greedy". Yes, that P/E is so low I figured it would help if hold. Of course now I wish I'd committed more to this one. (g) -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:54 PM > Nice Pick, Bill, > > I have had ROYL on watch for some time. Missed the entry while in > the $7 base, got surprised when it shot out of the 2 week base at > $9. I suspected the blowout Q4 of 51 cents vs 4 cents was not > trustworthy, and hesitated. Today's earnings reported before the > opening of 74 cents diluted vs 4 cents, and sales of $5.95 > million vs 1.09 million, now make Q4 look almost lame! It may > pull back, but with such a low trailing and projected PE, > (earnings forecast this year for $1.38, so it just did half that > in one qtr), I would be inclined to give it some room to roam. > > Note that it only has a 2 million share float, and an ADV of > 29,300 (altho today will change that with over 200,000 trading). > > I would have to assume, barring any comments by the company, that > expectations should be very high on this one for a while. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Triffet > To: canslim > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:28 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Selling ROYL? > > > Well, I guess I haven't learned my lessons but I lucked out. I > picked up a > little ROYL Tuesday morning at 11.35 share. Since then, I'm now > at a +32% > profit. Yes, it was under $15 and yes, it was extended. Now I'm > thinking a > hefty pull-back is in order. Perhaps sell half when it falls to > +20%? > > -Bill Triffet > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] cpmments on evg and kmp? Date: 10 May 2001 20:14:26 -0400 Hi Anna, EVG - looks over valued to me, market cap to sales nearly 10X, but then I missed ROYL completely! Last two quarters earnings are explosive. Chart wise I see it past the pivot but not extended too much. Yesterday's volume that started the latest b/o was 1.5X ADV, but today's was barely ADV. Earnings forecast this year +206% but next year -8% (common problem among the oil stocks). KMP - trying to break out from a very short base on inadequate volume, earnings forecast only 15% and 6% for this and next year Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 12:03 PM Both have good canslim numbers. What do you think about charts? I am confused about evg: has it broken out a couple of days ago? Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Selling ROYL? Date: 10 May 2001 20:19:00 -0400 I just wish I had taken the time to do some further due diligence, maybe then I would have had the confidence to buy it either at $7 or $9!!!!! Congrats, at least for today. Just don't let profits turn into a breakeven or loss. Start each day thinking you should sell it, and see if you can find enough reasons to keep owning it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 8:16 PM Tom, Being my first real success of the year I wanted to keep it in perspective and not be "greedy". Yes, that P/E is so low I figured it would help if hold. Of course now I wish I'd committed more to this one. (g) -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 4:54 PM > Nice Pick, Bill, > > I have had ROYL on watch for some time. Missed the entry while in > the $7 base, got surprised when it shot out of the 2 week base at > $9. I suspected the blowout Q4 of 51 cents vs 4 cents was not > trustworthy, and hesitated. Today's earnings reported before the > opening of 74 cents diluted vs 4 cents, and sales of $5.95 > million vs 1.09 million, now make Q4 look almost lame! It may > pull back, but with such a low trailing and projected PE, > (earnings forecast this year for $1.38, so it just did half that > in one qtr), I would be inclined to give it some room to roam. > > Note that it only has a 2 million share float, and an ADV of > 29,300 (altho today will change that with over 200,000 trading). > > I would have to assume, barring any comments by the company, that > expectations should be very high on this one for a while. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Triffet > To: canslim > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 5:28 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Selling ROYL? > > > Well, I guess I haven't learned my lessons but I lucked out. I > picked up a > little ROYL Tuesday morning at 11.35 share. Since then, I'm now > at a +32% > profit. Yes, it was under $15 and yes, it was extended. Now I'm > thinking a > hefty pull-back is in order. Perhaps sell half when it falls to > +20%? > > -Bill Triffet > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] TTEN (was Fw: Funds Ownership [T20010509008L]) Date: 10 May 2001 20:32:16 -0400 I asked DGO about the unusual ownership percentages on this stock, and the first reply was that it did look odd, as the Funds and the Banks totaled over 100%. Since these are both taken as a percentage of the float, they should not total 100% or more. The float was being reported as 3.7 million, so the increase to 8.4 million is substantial. Don't know if the issue of 14.5 million also increased. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:30 PM Hi Tom, We were able to obtain some more up-to-date sponsorship figures for TTEN. You should see these changes reflected on Daily Graphs Online after tonight's update. I don't have the exact figures but the Float should be increased to about 8.4 million shares. This should leave a smaller amount of those 'unknown' shares which I think is what you are inquiring about. There is some stock that is held by entities other than the management which is not available for trading. This information, however, is sometimes difficult to come by. Please let us know if you have any other questions. Best regards, John Daily Graphs Online Sender : stkguru@netside.net Tracking Number : T20010509008LZ566644 Pool : Daily Graphs Online Sent to : Date : 5/9/01 6:23 PM Hi John, Perhaps you could help me better understand how the numbers are crunched, using TTEN as the example. This was the calculations I came up with for my online discussion group on CANSLIM. I would appreciate some checking of my logic and math, as well as the conclusions and assumptions I made. quote: DGO shows Management owning 57%, Funds 80%, and Banks 27%. Good example why you can't just add these numbers up. Let's do some quick math: Shares Outstanding = 14.5 million, so Mngmt owns about 8.26 million Shares in Float = 3.7 million, so funds own 2.96 million Size of the float indicated by DGO is less than 43% by a wide margin, so either the float quantity is wrong, or there may be a large block held by Venture Capitalists or other outside investment organizations. The unusually large holding by Banks suggests to me that there are shares counted in one of the above categories that are held at a bank (most likely the VCs). Thus shares freely trading is only about 740,000 which leads me to question the above numbers since the ADV is 100,900. That would mean either some funds are day trading, which I doubt, or the shares freely trading are turning over every 7-8 days, which the chart says is not happening. That leaves a few other possibilities, including a large sale by a fund some time ago but not yet counted (we know their data is stale), an increase in the shares outstanding, VCs are selling into strength (increasing the float size but not yet reported), bad data by DGO, etc. I would check the latest filings with SEC to at least establish independently the correct nr of shares outstanding. If the Fiscal 2000 proxy is filed there, it will have Management's holdings as well. end quote Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:00 AM Sender : stkguru@netside.net Tracking Number : T20010509008LZ564144 Pool : Daily Graphs Online Sent to : "DGOnline Customer Service" Date : 5/9/01 5:23 AM _____ Hi Tom, Thank you for your email and for all of your comments. Our 'Funds' percentage includes all mutual funds but does not include pension funds. The 401K criteria is a little more difficult to pinpoint because some 401K investments are mutual funds (and would be included in our item) but other 401K investments are not mutual funds. We list only funds and banks sponsorship because we want to keep it simple. Once you begin to break down sponsorship into specific categories, there is really no end as to how far you can break it down. We hear from users that do not like the fact that we break sponsorship down into two items (funds and banks) but, as like your comments, we hear from others that want more specific categories. I can assure you that all of these comments are presented to our development committee for consideration. Please feel free to send us any other suggestions that you might have. Best regards, John Daily Graphs Online I have gone thru the glossary trying to answer the question whether the "funds" ownership data found on the datablock includes only normal mutual funds, or also includes funds such as pension funds, 401K, etc. Also, is there a reason you do not report a category for ownership by Venture Capitalists, bridge financing holders, owners of previously acquired companies paid in stock, etc. I realize you don't want to get too detailed on stuff like this, but it would be useful to at least have a category of nr of restricted shares held by "outsiders" that may be restricted for a certain time period. Ideal would be to have a background lookup table that could list the quantity and the date the shares are no longer restricted. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] cpmments on evg and kmp? Date: 10 May 2001 21:28:16 -0600 Here's my take. EVG - This one has been on my short list the last few weeks. However, I don't like the chart now. It looked to be breaking out of a cup on 4/26, but then dipped pretty much 8% then next few days. If you bot right at the close, you might have held on, maybe not. If you bot earlier at a higher level, then you would have exceeded 8% for sure. This is very close to a failed breakout, and I tend to call it that. Since this time, it has moved back up strongly on good volume. If you wanted to buy on this second move, you could use 43.63 as the pivot and that gives you a limit of 45.81. Given that, it closed a bit out of range today, but you might have another opp on a dip. Personally, I'm passing on this one for now. KMP - This one looks very extended right now after breaking out a few weeks ago. I would set the pivot at something like 64.13, so it is well extended at today's prices. At 12:03 PM 5/10/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Both have good canslim numbers. >What do you think about charts? I am confused about evg: has it broken out >a couple of days ago? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FEIC Date: 10 May 2001 21:32:53 -0600 Ah yes, here's another one a friend asked me about today. It hasn't made my list due to it's EPS < 80, and the RS was a little weak before today's action. The cup looks nice, and you might even call 5/4 the start of a short 4 day handle. Either way, the pivot is in the 30.13-30.26 range, and the stock ended up a bit extended today. This one has a good chance of offering another buy opp tomorrow, so you may want to watch it closely. Of the successful CANSLIM stock, some seem to blast off and never look back, while others pause with some profit-taking and then move up in one or more days later. At 11:06 AM 5/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >I would like some feedback on FEIC. > >Good CANSLIM #'s at: 76 81 A A A > >3 yr EPS at 0% according to investors.com though. > >Broke out today on good volume. Not sure what to call chart formation >though. > >Tony Lumpkin >tlumpkin@earthlink.net > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Selling ROYL? Date: 10 May 2001 21:25:55 -0700 > Just don't let profits turn into a breakeven or loss. Start each > day thinking you should sell it, and see if you can find enough > reasons to keep owning it. Well put! -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PCP B/O, SRCL is up Date: 11 May 2001 11:47:09 -0400 SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV. I have never bought off this kind of a pullback. Has anyone done this kind of buy before? The action looks similar to the one of HOTT. ANy opinions? Also, PCP broke out yesterday. Fundies are great. Thoughts on the chart? Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 08:29:57 -0700 I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of salt, but ... It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the chart over the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There is a beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If it takes this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers highs ($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% over last year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely NOT be up 122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on strong 60%+ growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still reasonable, IMHO. The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - from 48 early last week to 72 yesterday. There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if that is taken out. We'll see. Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: [CANSLIM] institutional and fund activity sites Date: 11 May 2001 12:19:23 -0400 Hi, I think Tom has mentioned that the site he is using to view institutional activity is going to charge a subscription fee. The sites below are free: http://www.lionshares.com/homepageb.cfm http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_overview Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SACADS@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom's pick ATPX trying to B/O Date: 11 May 2001 11:43:32 EDT --part1_12.cb66a2a.282d62a4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 15x +/- volume. Up about 8 % not completly CANSLIM, low float, share price under $12 --part1_12.cb66a2a.282d62a4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 15x +/- volume.  Up about 8 %

not completly CANSLIM, low float, share price under $12 --part1_12.cb66a2a.282d62a4_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] RS question ... Date: 11 May 2001 09:04:52 -0700 I see that ACLNF has a RS of 71 now. 1 year ago it was at $18, and was at $28.20 yesterday. That is a 56% increase in the last year. Does an ACLNF RS of 71 mean that 29% of all publicly traded companies are up 56% or more over the last year? If so, it sure doesn't sound like a terrible bear market to me - perhaps the energy/financials/retailers/homebuilders make up 30% of the market?. Is my interpretation correct? Thanks, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 13:47:45 -0400 The gap from 33.5 to 30.5 could be strong restance for the stock. At 29.40 you are buying right before R. Also, the stock has not advanced at least 50% from the low of its decline. (50% is somewhere around 30, right where the gap occurs). Bottom line: I would keep an eye on it, but would not buy it right now. I'd like to see how it will manage through the gap and would wait for it to consolidate after that. Anna "Ian" @lists.xmission.com on 05/11/2001 11:29:57 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of salt, but ... It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the chart over the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There is a beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If it takes this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers highs ($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% over last year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely NOT be up 122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on strong 60%+ growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still reasonable, IMHO. The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - from 48 early last week to 72 yesterday. There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if that is taken out. We'll see. Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: [CANSLIM] CATT is setting up HTF? Date: 11 May 2001 13:52:03 -0400 Trading range is has been very tight for the last few days, volume has dropped. Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 10:07:15 -0700 I have to disagree. We are coming out of a 9-month base here into very strong fundamentals. The recent resistance at $29 will have been much stronger than any 9 month old resistance at $30. I think there will be more in the $34-$35 range, but I just don't see much at $30. We'll see. Thanks for the analysis. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:47 AM > > The gap from 33.5 to 30.5 could be strong restance for the stock. At > 29.40 you are buying right before R. > Also, the stock has not advanced at least 50% from the low of its decline. > (50% is somewhere around 30, right where the gap occurs). > Bottom line: I would keep an eye on it, but would not buy it right now. > I'd like to see how it will manage through the gap and would wait for it to > consolidate after that. > > Anna > > > "Ian" @lists.xmission.com on 05/11/2001 11:29:57 AM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: > cc: > Subject: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... > > > I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of salt, but > ... > > It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the chart over > the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There is a > beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If it takes > this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers highs > ($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% over last > year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely NOT be up > 122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. > > THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on strong 60%+ > growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still reasonable, IMHO. > > The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - from 48 > early last week to 72 yesterday. > > There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if that is > taken out. We'll see. > > Ian > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? Date: 11 May 2001 10:16:38 -0700 Since I appear to be hung up on shipping companies today, does anyone have an opinion on OSG (78 81 C A A)? Thanks, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? Date: 11 May 2001 10:16:38 -0700 Since I appear to be hung up on shipping companies today, does anyone have an opinion on OSG (78 81 C A A)? Thanks, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 13:25:05 EDT Anna: What do you mean by "gap"? I would think you mean by "gap", the area from 30 to 34.5 (where 34.5 is the old high). In any event, it looks like it's really extended and there is no handle on low volume at all. It looks like it might be a play for an momentum investor-but even then, one would think the stock would only be invested in during a bull market. Also, you point out that the stock has not advanced 50% from its early April low. Does WON say that a 50% advance is necessary before purchasing the right lip of a cup and handle-and/or does he require for the left side of a C&H to rise 50% from its previous low? jans In a message dated 5/11/2001 12:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: << The gap from 33.5 to 30.5 could be strong restance for the stock. At 29.40 you are buying right before R. Also, the stock has not advanced at least 50% from the low of its decline. (50% is somewhere around 30, right where the gap occurs). Bottom line: I would keep an eye on it, but would not buy it right now. I'd like to see how it will manage through the gap and would wait for it to consolidate after that. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CATT is setting up HTF? Date: 11 May 2001 13:34:09 EDT Anna: I agree. This looks like one to watch. The downside is that it is in an "E" group, and it fell from its left top about 85%. But the 200 DMA supported it, and its recent low volume in a tight range is very nice. Also, about 58% of management is invested in it. However, it seems a long way from the pivot point. I make it at around 35.5. And the high is about 39-so there will probably be a lot of profit-takers there (although, I'm not sure, since there is hardly any sellers in this area. Two x 200 DMA and 1.5 x 50 DMA would put selling at around 37-40. In a message dated 5/11/2001 12:52:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: << Trading range is has been very tight for the last few days, volume has dropped. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 14:47:23 -0400 I was talking about "gap down" that happened about 9 month ago (Did I get that wrong? Don't think so). I have read that it is preferable to buy stocks that have formed handles in the upper 1/2 of the cup (or have made 50% advance off the lows if you are buying from a double bottom without handle break out). I think WON is even more particular about this requirement and I believe Earl has recently pointed out that according to WON the handle should form in the upper 1/3 of the cup. Anna Spencer48@aol.com@lists.xmission.com on 05/11/2001 01:25:05 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Anna: What do you mean by "gap"? I would think you mean by "gap", the area from 30 to 34.5 (where 34.5 is the old high). In any event, it looks like it's really extended and there is no handle on low volume at all. It looks like it might be a play for an momentum investor-but even then, one would think the stock would only be invested in during a bull market. Also, you point out that the stock has not advanced 50% from its early April low. Does WON say that a 50% advance is necessary before purchasing the right lip of a cup and handle-and/or does he require for the left side of a C&H to rise 50% from its previous low? jans In a message dated 5/11/2001 12:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: << The gap from 33.5 to 30.5 could be strong restance for the stock. At 29.40 you are buying right before R. Also, the stock has not advanced at least 50% from the low of its decline. (50% is somewhere around 30, right where the gap occurs). Bottom line: I would keep an eye on it, but would not buy it right now. I'd like to see how it will manage through the gap and would wait for it to consolidate after that. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CATT is setting up HTF? Date: 11 May 2001 13:58:31 EDT Anna: I didn't read the entire subject: ie. "CATT is setting up for an HTF". I don't believe it is. The first decline down (in the April 13-20th) area is just too loose. Anyway, that's my opinion, and I didn't want to mislead you (if, by serendipitous fate, I might be right). jans In a message dated 5/11/2001 1:35:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Spencer48@aol.com writes: << Anna: I agree. This looks like one to watch. The downside is that it is in an "E" group, and it fell from its left top about 85%. But the 200 DMA supported it, and its recent low volume in a tight range is very nice. Also, about 58% of management is invested in it. However, it seems a long way from the pivot point. I make it at around 35.5. And the high is about 39-so there will probably be a lot of profit-takers there (although, I'm not sure, since there is hardly any sellers in this area. Two x 200 DMA and 1.5 x 50 DMA would put selling at around 37-40. In a message dated 5/11/2001 12:52:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: << Trading range is has been very tight for the last few days, volume has dropped. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up Date: 11 May 2001 13:06:12 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DA45.10521FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" SRCL - There are many ways WON teaches to buy stocks. Not just cup with handles. This one appears to be bouncing off the 50 day moving average which he talks about often. If it does this on good volume, this could be a good entry point. This stock is on my watch list and also meets the group criteria. I then scan my list everyday at lunch for high volume. This stock looks like it will not hit +50% volume today but it will hit average volume easily. I believe these kind of patterns can be highly profitable if bought on high volume. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:47 AM SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV. I have never bought off this kind of a pullback. Has anyone done this kind of buy before? The action looks similar to the one of HOTT. ANy opinions? Also, PCP broke out yesterday. Fundies are great. Thoughts on the chart? Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DA45.10521FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up

SRCL - There are many ways WON teaches to buy stocks. = Not just cup with handles. This one appears to be bouncing off the 50 = day moving average which he talks about often. If it does this on good = volume, this could be a good entry point. This stock is on my watch = list and also meets the group criteria. I then scan my list everyday at = lunch for high volume. This stock looks like it will not hit +50% = volume today but it will hit average volume easily. I believe these = kind of patterns can be highly profitable if bought on high = volume.

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SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is = already at 50% ADV.  I have
never bought off this kind of a pullback.  Has = anyone done this kind of buy
before?  The action looks similar to the one of = HOTT.  ANy opinions?

Also, PCP broke out yesterday.  Fundies are = great.  Thoughts on the chart?

Anna


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DA45.10521FB0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 11:35:29 -0700 I see a cup but just climbing the right side; where is the handle? What I see is a broken down LLUR at best. Encouraging that it broke over the 50/200 dma. But it fails about 3-4 of my criteria for CANSLIM. Was marginal CANSLIM last summer; isn't any more. At 08:29 AM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of salt, but >... > >It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the chart over >the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There is a >beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If it takes >this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers highs >($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% over last >year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely NOT be up >122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. > >THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on strong 60%+ >growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still reasonable, IMHO. > >The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - from 48 >early last week to 72 yesterday. > >There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if that is >taken out. We'll see. > >Ian > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PCP B/O, SRCL is up Date: 11 May 2001 11:28:58 -0700 I would not consider SRCL. This is pull back to support at 40. If anything it ultimately trades off the 200 dma, which is down about 25% from the high. If anything, if today proves to be a volume move, which so far it isn't, I'd be tempted to take a 1/2 position. Then again, there are so many better candidates out there right now, I probably would take a pass. At 11:47 AM 5/11/2001 -0400, you wrote: >SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV. I have >never bought off this kind of a pullback. Has anyone done this kind of buy >before? The action looks similar to the one of HOTT. ANy opinions? > >Also, PCP broke out yesterday. Fundies are great. Thoughts on the chart? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up Date: 11 May 2001 11:38:46 -0700 Buying this type of pattern (it isn't in any pattern WON mentions, IMHO), is definitely not CANSLIM, volume aside. At 01:06 PM 5/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: >SRCL - There are many ways WON teaches to buy stocks. Not just cup with >handles. This one appears to be bouncing off the 50 day moving average >which he talks about often. If it does this on good volume, this could be >a good entry point. This stock is on my watch list and also meets the >group criteria. I then scan my list everyday at lunch for high volume. >This stock looks like it will not hit +50% volume today but it will hit >average volume easily. I believe these kind of patterns can be highly >profitable if bought on high volume. > >-----Original Message----- >From: asosis@ca.ibm.com [mailto:asosis@ca.ibm.com] >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:47 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PCP B/O, SRCL is up > > >SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV. I have >never bought off this kind of a pullback. Has anyone done this kind of buy >before? The action looks similar to the one of HOTT. ANy opinions? > >Also, PCP broke out yesterday. Fundies are great. Thoughts on the chart? > >Anna > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up Date: 11 May 2001 15:50:21 -0400 Everyone, thank you for your replies. What kind of volume should one be looking for? The usual 50% or so above ADV? What is "good volume" for this kind of pattern? Anna "Dempsey, Chris" @lists.xmission.com on 05/11/2001 02:06:12 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: SRCL - There are many ways WON teaches to buy stocks. Not just cup with handles. This one appears to be bouncing off the 50 day moving average which he talks about often. If it does this on good volume, this could be a good entry point. This stock is on my watch list and also meets the group criteria. I then scan my list everyday at lunch for high volume. This stock looks like it will not hit +50% volume today but it will hit average volume easily. I believe these kind of patterns can be highly profitable if bought on high volume. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:47 AM SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV. I have never bought off this kind of a pullback. Has anyone done this kind of buy before? The action looks similar to the one of HOTT. ANy opinions? Also, PCP broke out yesterday. Fundies are great. Thoughts on the chart? Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] Today's M; ACLNF; UCOR B/O Date: 11 May 2001 11:55:16 -0700 The gap up on ACLNF from 30-35 was filled a few sessions later; therefore there is no gap left. Today seems to be a pivotal day; it wants to be a distribution day but nothing I own is down significantly. OTOH most of my watch list is down, some >5%. Buying opportunity or an extension of the pause in the rally? Tom should like UCOR; I think I will take 1/2 position at 13.40, if I can get that price. Pivot is 12.77 Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PCP B/O, SRCL is up Date: 11 May 2001 13:14:08 -0600 On 11 May 01, at 11:47, asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV. I have > never bought off this kind of a pullback. Has anyone done this kind of buy > before? The action looks similar to the one of HOTT. ANy opinions? > > Also, PCP broke out yesterday. Fundies are great. Thoughts on the chart? I notice both companies had sales slowdowns in their most recent quarters, which I would take as a bad sign. PCP is an odd chart, appears to have broken out from resistance at 40, then paused for a couple days and spiked up, so it may be extended, hard to read it. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 11 May 2001 13:14:08 -0600 This one was being discussed here a couple weeks ago, so maybe someone has an opinion on it. It now looks like the previous breakout was premature, and it is now forming a handle, and could be ripe for another breakout from a more completely formed cup and handle. Any comments? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up Date: 11 May 2001 12:27:02 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DA50.033B05D4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PER IBD INVESTOR'S CORNER TODAY (I did not invent this) large cap 50% is acceptable. small cap should have a minimum of double ADV (a guideline not an uncompromising rule) -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:50 PM Everyone, thank you for your replies. What kind of volume should one be looking for? The usual 50% or so above ADV? What is "good volume" for this kind of pattern? Anna "Dempsey, Chris" @lists.xmission.com on 05/11/2001 02:06:12 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: SRCL - There are many ways WON teaches to buy stocks. Not just cup with handles. This one appears to be bouncing off the 50 day moving average which he talks about often. If it does this on good volume, this could be a good entry point. This stock is on my watch list and also meets the group criteria. I then scan my list everyday at lunch for high volume. This stock looks like it will not hit +50% volume today but it will hit average volume easily. I believe these kind of patterns can be highly profitable if bought on high volume. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:47 AM SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV. I have never bought off this kind of a pullback. Has anyone done this kind of buy before? The action looks similar to the one of HOTT. ANy opinions? Also, PCP broke out yesterday. Fundies are great. Thoughts on the chart? Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/11/01 12:25:16 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. 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PER IBD INVESTOR'S CORNER TODAY (I did not invent this)
large cap 50% is acceptable.
small cap should have a minimum of double ADV (a guideline not an uncompromising rule)

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Everyone, thank you for your replies.

What kind of volume should one be looking for?  The usual 50% or so above
ADV?  What is "good volume" for this kind of pattern?

Anna


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SRCL - There are many ways WON teaches to buy stocks. Not just cup with
handles. This one appears to be bouncing off the 50 day moving average
which he talks about often. If it does this on good volume, this could be a
good entry point. This stock is on my watch list and also meets the group
criteria. I then scan my list everyday at lunch for high volume. This stock
looks like it will not hit +50% volume today but it will hit average volume
easily. I believe these kind of patterns can be highly profitable if bought
on high volume.


-----Original Message-----
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SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV.  I have
never bought off this kind of a pullback.  Has anyone done this kind of buy

before?  The action looks similar to the one of HOTT.  ANy opinions?


Also, PCP broke out yesterday.  Fundies are great.  Thoughts on the chart?


Anna





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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Today's M; ACLNF; UCOR B/O Date: 11 May 2001 16:30:29 -0400 Your comments prompted me to check a different site. I understand your confusion: my data was sooo WRONG! Warning. Do not rely on ProphetFinance site. Their Java based chart shows a huge gap down on 09/18/00. (I have tried to attach a chart but it does not seem to work. Jeff, I have tried to post both a jpeg and a gif, but both bounced. Do you know what the problem is?) Sorry, there is no gap there. Looking at the real data the stock looks much better. B/O from double bottom. "Tim Fisher" @lists.xmission.com on 05/11/2001 02:55:16 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: The gap up on ACLNF from 30-35 was filled a few sessions later; therefore there is no gap left. Today seems to be a pivotal day; it wants to be a distribution day but nothing I own is down significantly. OTOH most of my watch list is down, some >5%. Buying opportunity or an extension of the pause in the rally? Tom should like UCOR; I think I will take 1/2 position at 13.40, if I can get that price. Pivot is 12.77 Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 13:02:28 -0700 Tim: I see the cup from last Sept to late Feb. The handle from early March until now. I see this breakout as the steep upper right side of the handle. The 50/200 day moving averages are just over $24, and we broke through them a few days back. Which 4 CANSLIM criteria does ACLNF fail? Thanks a lot, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:35 AM > I see a cup but just climbing the right side; where is the handle? What I > see is a broken down LLUR at best. Encouraging that it broke over the > 50/200 dma. But it fails about 3-4 of my criteria for CANSLIM. Was marginal > CANSLIM last summer; isn't any more. > > At 08:29 AM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of salt, but > >... > > > >It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the chart over > >the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There is a > >beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If it takes > >this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers highs > >($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% over last > >year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely NOT be up > >122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. > > > >THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on strong 60%+ > >growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still reasonable, IMHO. > > > >The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - from 48 > >early last week to 72 yesterday. > > > >There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if that is > >taken out. We'll see. > > > >Ian > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Today's M; ACLNF; UCOR B/O Date: 11 May 2001 13:56:59 -0700 Saw a chart with incorrect price data a few months ago (forget which stock) when first checking out prophet finance. Haven't used it since. Stockcharts.com seems to be ok. At 04:30 PM 5/11/01 -0400, you wrote: >Your comments prompted me to check a different site. >I understand your confusion: my data was sooo WRONG! >Warning. Do not rely on ProphetFinance site. Their Java based chart shows >a huge gap down on 09/18/00. >(I have tried to attach a chart but it does not seem to work. Jeff, I have >tried to post both a jpeg and a gif, but both bounced. Do you know what >the problem is?) > >Sorry, there is no gap there. Looking at the real data the stock looks >much better. B/O from double bottom. > > > > > > >"Tim Fisher" @lists.xmission.com on 05/11/2001 02:55:16 >PM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@mail.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: [CANSLIM] Today's M; ACLNF; UCOR B/O > > >The gap up on ACLNF from 30-35 was filled a few sessions later; therefore >there is no gap left. > >Today seems to be a pivotal day; it wants to be a distribution day but >nothing I own is down significantly. OTOH most of my watch list is down, >some >5%. Buying opportunity or an extension of the pause in the rally? > >Tom should like UCOR; I think I will take 1/2 position at 13.40, if I can >get that price. Pivot is 12.77 > > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Doug Chiurato dzc@qwest.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Today's M; ACLNF; UCOR B/O Date: 11 May 2001 15:14:47 -0400 --0__=85256A490069270D8f9e8a93df938690918c85256A490069270D Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Your comment prompted me to check a different site. I understand your confusion: my data was sooo WRONG! Warning. Do not rely on ProphetFinance site. Check the file I have attached - this is what they show for ACLNF. Sorry, there is no gap there. Looking at the real data the stock looks much better. B/O from double bottom. (See attached file: ACLNF.gif) Anna Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: The gap up on ACLNF from 30-35 was filled a few sessions later; therefore there is no gap left. Today seems to be a pivotal day; it wants to be a distribution day but nothing I own is down significantly. OTOH most of my watch list is down, some >5%. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 13:17:42 -0700 GRS, RS, "N", dunno about EPS, but I suspect it is not 80...a handle may be forming now, but it has certainly not formed "in the top half of the cup", per WON. In fact, if I turn my monitor upside down, I then see a perfect C&H. Is this a new pattern then? A "reverse C&H?" Do we have something here? For shorts, that is... At 01:02 PM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Tim: > >I see the cup from last Sept to late Feb. The handle from early March until >now. I see this breakout as the steep upper right side of the handle. The >50/200 day moving averages are just over $24, and we broke through them a >few days back. > >Which 4 CANSLIM criteria does ACLNF fail? > >Thanks a lot, > >Ian > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tim Fisher >To: >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:35 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... > > > > I see a cup but just climbing the right side; where is the handle? What I > > see is a broken down LLUR at best. Encouraging that it broke over the > > 50/200 dma. But it fails about 3-4 of my criteria for CANSLIM. Was >marginal > > CANSLIM last summer; isn't any more. > > > > At 08:29 AM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > >I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of salt, but > > >... > > > > > >It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the chart >over > > >the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There is a > > >beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If it >takes > > >this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers highs > > >($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% over last > > >year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely NOT be >up > > >122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. > > > > > >THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on strong 60%+ > > >growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still reasonable, >IMHO. > > > > > >The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - from 48 > > >early last week to 72 yesterday. > > > > > >There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if that is > > >taken out. We'll see. > > > > > >Ian > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 11 May 2001 14:17:22 -0700 It does look better than it did three weeks ago when it first appeared it was going to prematurely breakout. Seems like a long handle...three weeks if you start from that failed breakout. The base from left peak to the first b/o attempt is less than 7 weeks. If the 4/26 peak of 57.74 is the start of the handle then it's two weeks old. From that point to today it's decreased 7 % which isnt bad for a handle. Depth of the cup is about 19%. The handle is dipping ever so close to the 50dma. I'm hoping it finally breaks out next week. I'm getting impatient. At 01:14 PM 5/11/01 -0600, you wrote: >This one was being discussed here a couple weeks ago, so maybe >someone has an opinion on it. It now looks like the previous >breakout was premature, and it is now forming a handle, and could >be ripe for another breakout from a more completely formed cup >and handle. Any comments? > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Doug Chiurato dzc@qwest.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 13:49:50 -0700 Todays numbers for ACLNF are: 98 71 C A A. EPS is definitely 'not 80' - 98 is much better than 80. RS should hit 75 after today. The GRS is poor, although OSG and FRONY are at new highs and looking strong, and ACLNF is up 65% in the last year - so there must be a lot of weak siblings holding them back - not a good sign. I totally agreee with you about the depth of the cup. If the pullback was limited to 15%, it would have bottomed around $24.65, instead of $22 - that would have been better. I guess ACLNF appeals to me on valuation as well - 50% of their business is from selling new cars. They sold 14,000 all last year, and already have fixed contracts for 31,000 this year, shipping 6,500 in the first Q. So 50% of their business is growing at more than 100%, and it is already 'backlog'. So a P/S of 2 and a forward P/E of 7 for a company with this kind of growth is appealing to me. I sure hope it sustains the recent volume - as that would solve the RS problem. We'll see. Looking back over the last 5 years, up until last summer, ACLNF was, IMHO, the poster-child for a perfect CANSLIM stock. 80% compounded revenue and EPS with huge margins and a rising share price. We'll have to wait and see if it can regain that form. I'll let the market tell me now. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:17 PM > GRS, RS, "N", dunno about EPS, but I suspect it is not 80...a handle may be > forming now, but it has certainly not formed "in the top half of the cup", > per WON. In fact, if I turn my monitor upside down, I then see a perfect > C&H. Is this a new pattern then? A "reverse C&H?" Do we have something > here? For shorts, that is... > > At 01:02 PM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >Tim: > > > >I see the cup from last Sept to late Feb. The handle from early March until > >now. I see this breakout as the steep upper right side of the handle. The > >50/200 day moving averages are just over $24, and we broke through them a > >few days back. > > > >Which 4 CANSLIM criteria does ACLNF fail? > > > >Thanks a lot, > > > >Ian > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Tim Fisher > >To: > >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:35 AM > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... > > > > > > > I see a cup but just climbing the right side; where is the handle? What I > > > see is a broken down LLUR at best. Encouraging that it broke over the > > > 50/200 dma. But it fails about 3-4 of my criteria for CANSLIM. Was > >marginal > > > CANSLIM last summer; isn't any more. > > > > > > At 08:29 AM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > > >I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of salt, but > > > >... > > > > > > > >It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the chart > >over > > > >the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There is a > > > >beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If it > >takes > > > >this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers highs > > > >($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% over last > > > >year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely NOT be > >up > > > >122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. > > > > > > > >THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on strong 60%+ > > > >growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still reasonable, > >IMHO. > > > > > > > >The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - from 48 > > > >early last week to 72 yesterday. > > > > > > > >There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if that is > > > >taken out. We'll see. > > > > > > > >Ian > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 11 May 2001 16:36:39 EDT Patrick and Doug, Today in IBD in "New Buys of Top-Rated Mutual Funds", IGT is listed as having been bought by 17 A+, A, or A- funds that have invested $215 Million in it. Now, as I understand the table, these are the funds that have either bought or increased their position in the most recent period. I recall Tom saying he liked the looks and temper of IGT. Apparently, he is in good company. jans In a message dated 5/11/2001 4:18:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dzc@qwest.net writes: << It does look better than it did three weeks ago when it first appeared it was going to prematurely breakout. Seems like a long handle...three weeks if you start from that failed breakout. The base from left peak to the first b/o attempt is less than 7 weeks. If the 4/26 peak of 57.74 is the start of the handle then it's two weeks old. From that point to today it's decreased 7 % which isnt bad for a handle. Depth of the cup is about 19%. The handle is dipping ever so close to the 50dma. I'm hoping it finally breaks out next week. I'm getting impatient. At 01:14 PM 5/11/01 -0600, you wrote: >This one was being discussed here a couple weeks ago, so maybe >someone has an opinion on it. It now looks like the previous >breakout was premature, and it is now forming a handle, and could >be ripe for another breakout from a more completely formed cup >and handle. Any comments? > >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 14:41:45 -0700 DGO shows latest quarterly earnings coming out around 05/30. Must be good numbers expected...the upward momentum of price/vol over the past two weeks looks strong. EPS is 98. GRS is 58 which is too low for me for this particular stock at least. If I was looking to buy this stock I would wait until it hit somewhere near 35 then formed a handle not lower than 30. I wouldnt call the chart pattern from March to May a handle either. It's starting at 50%level of cup and goes down to the bottom level of the cup. At 01:17 PM 5/11/01 -0700, you wrote: >GRS, RS, "N", dunno about EPS, but I suspect it is not 80...a handle may >be forming now, but it has certainly not formed "in the top half of the >cup", per WON. In fact, if I turn my monitor upside down, I then see a >perfect C&H. Is this a new pattern then? A "reverse C&H?" Do we have >something here? For shorts, that is... > >At 01:02 PM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: >>Tim: >> >>I see the cup from last Sept to late Feb. The handle from early March until >>now. I see this breakout as the steep upper right side of the handle. The >>50/200 day moving averages are just over $24, and we broke through them a >>few days back. >> >>Which 4 CANSLIM criteria does ACLNF fail? >> >>Thanks a lot, >> >>Ian >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Tim Fisher >>To: >>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:35 AM >>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... >> >> >> > I see a cup but just climbing the right side; where is the handle? What I >> > see is a broken down LLUR at best. Encouraging that it broke over the >> > 50/200 dma. But it fails about 3-4 of my criteria for CANSLIM. Was >>marginal >> > CANSLIM last summer; isn't any more. >> > >> > At 08:29 AM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: >> > >I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of salt, but >> > >... >> > > >> > >It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the chart >>over >> > >the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There is a >> > >beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If it >>takes >> > >this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers highs >> > >($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% over last >> > >year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely NOT be >>up >> > >122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. >> > > >> > >THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on strong 60%+ >> > >growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still reasonable, >>IMHO. >> > > >> > >The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - from 48 >> > >early last week to 72 yesterday. >> > > >> > >There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if that is >> > >taken out. We'll see. >> > > >> > >Ian >> > > >> > > >> > >- >> > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > >> > Tim Fisher >> > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >> > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >> > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >> > WWW http://OreRockOn.com >> > >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Doug Chiurato dzc@qwest.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 13:51:00 -0700 I agree with the last summer part. Again, I do not have DGO, so I can only guess at some of the numbers. I once owned and made money with ACLNF, so I don't have anything against it - just that there are 100 or more stocks out there that do make my scans, so I don't need to follow ones with sub-par numbers... At 01:49 PM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Todays numbers for ACLNF are: 98 71 C A A. EPS is definitely 'not 80' - 98 >is much better than 80. RS should hit 75 after today. > >The GRS is poor, although OSG and FRONY are at new highs and looking strong, >and ACLNF is up 65% in the last year - so there must be a lot of weak >siblings holding them back - not a good sign. > >I totally agreee with you about the depth of the cup. If the pullback was >limited to 15%, it would have bottomed around $24.65, instead of $22 - that >would have been better. > >I guess ACLNF appeals to me on valuation as well - 50% of their business is >from selling new cars. They sold 14,000 all last year, and already have >fixed contracts for 31,000 this year, shipping 6,500 in the first Q. So 50% >of their business is growing at more than 100%, and it is already 'backlog'. >So a P/S of 2 and a forward P/E of 7 for a company with this kind of growth >is appealing to me. I sure hope it sustains the recent volume - as that >would solve the RS problem. We'll see. > >Looking back over the last 5 years, up until last summer, ACLNF was, IMHO, >the poster-child for a perfect CANSLIM stock. 80% compounded revenue and EPS >with huge margins and a rising share price. We'll have to wait and see if it >can regain that form. I'll let the market tell me now. > >Cheers, > >Ian > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tim Fisher >To: >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:17 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... > > > > GRS, RS, "N", dunno about EPS, but I suspect it is not 80...a handle may >be > > forming now, but it has certainly not formed "in the top half of the cup", > > per WON. In fact, if I turn my monitor upside down, I then see a perfect > > C&H. Is this a new pattern then? A "reverse C&H?" Do we have something > > here? For shorts, that is... > > > > At 01:02 PM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > >Tim: > > > > > >I see the cup from last Sept to late Feb. The handle from early March >until > > >now. I see this breakout as the steep upper right side of the handle. >The > > >50/200 day moving averages are just over $24, and we broke through them a > > >few days back. > > > > > >Which 4 CANSLIM criteria does ACLNF fail? > > > > > >Thanks a lot, > > > > > >Ian > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Tim Fisher > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:35 AM > > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... > > > > > > > > > > I see a cup but just climbing the right side; where is the handle? >What I > > > > see is a broken down LLUR at best. Encouraging that it broke over the > > > > 50/200 dma. But it fails about 3-4 of my criteria for CANSLIM. Was > > >marginal > > > > CANSLIM last summer; isn't any more. > > > > > > > > At 08:29 AM 5/11/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of salt, >but > > > > >... > > > > > > > > > >It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the >chart > > >over > > > > >the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There is a > > > > >beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If it > > >takes > > > > >this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers highs > > > > >($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% over >last > > > > >year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely NOT >be > > >up > > > > >122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. > > > > > > > > > >THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on strong >60%+ > > > > >growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still reasonable, > > >IMHO. > > > > > > > > > >The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - from >48 > > > > >early last week to 72 yesterday. > > > > > > > > > >There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if that >is > > > > >taken out. We'll see. > > > > > > > > > >Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > > > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 16:32:10 -0600 Yes, WON says you should only consider handles in the top 50% of the cup. That isn't a 50% gain in price, just half-way up or more. To calculate this, take the 52 week high, and subtract the low since then. Take 1/2 of the value and add it back to the low, that gives you the 50% point of the cup. Also, WON has indicated that the higher the handle, the better. I don't remember an exact number, but I like to see something like 75% for the most part. This reduces the amount of overhead resistance on the right side of the cup. > >I was talking about "gap down" that happened about 9 month ago (Did I get >that wrong? Don't think so). >I have read that it is preferable to buy stocks that have formed handles in >the upper 1/2 of the cup (or have made 50% advance off the lows if you are >buying from a double bottom without handle break out). >I think WON is even more particular about this requirement and I believe >Earl has recently pointed out that according to WON the handle should form >in the upper 1/3 of the cup. > > >Anna > > >Spencer48@aol.com@lists.xmission.com on 05/11/2001 01:25:05 PM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... > > >Anna: > > What do you mean by "gap"? I would think you mean by "gap", the area >from 30 to 34.5 (where 34.5 is the old high). In any event, it looks like >it's really extended and there is no handle on low volume at all. It looks > >like it might be a play for an momentum investor-but even then, one would >think the stock would only be invested in during a bull market. > > Also, you point out that the stock has not advanced 50% from its early > >April low. Does WON say that a 50% advance is necessary before purchasing >the right lip of a cup and handle-and/or does he require for the left side >of >a C&H to rise 50% from its previous low? > >jans > > > >In a message dated 5/11/2001 12:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: > ><< The gap from 33.5 to 30.5 could be strong restance for the stock. At > 29.40 you are buying right before R. > Also, the stock has not advanced at least 50% from the low of its decline. > (50% is somewhere around 30, right where the gap occurs). > Bottom line: I would keep an eye on it, but would not buy it right now. > I'd like to see how it will manage through the gap and would wait for it >to > consolidate after that. >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up Date: 11 May 2001 17:29:42 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DA69.DFBCD690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" WON mentions buying at the 50 day moving average often, including today's "Ask Bill O'Neil", it is very CANSLIM. I guess you need to read more. In an interview of WON, by Kevin Marder a couple of years ago, Marder reported that after questioning WON about holdings in AOL that WON had responded yes. (Marder noted that a week earlier WON did not have any holdings in AOL). This was a time when AOL was working on the bottom of a cup near the moving average. WON bought then? This is also a bounce off of support at 40, 40 used to be resistance, hardly the type of stock that turns and falls 25% to its 200 day. The volume definitely wasn't there today. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:39 PM I would not consider SRCL. This is pull back to support at 40. If anything it ultimately trades off the 200 dma, which is down about 25% from the high. If anything, if today proves to be a volume move, which so far it isn't, I'd be tempted to take a 1/2 position. Then again, there are so many better candidates out there right now, I probably would take a pass. Buying this type of pattern (it isn't in any pattern WON mentions, IMHO), is definitely not CANSLIM, volume aside. At 01:06 PM 5/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: >SRCL - There are many ways WON teaches to buy stocks. Not just cup with >handles. This one appears to be bouncing off the 50 day moving average >which he talks about often. If it does this on good volume, this could be >a good entry point. This stock is on my watch list and also meets the >group criteria. I then scan my list everyday at lunch for high volume. >This stock looks like it will not hit +50% volume today but it will hit >average volume easily. I believe these kind of patterns can be highly >profitable if bought on high volume. > >-----Original Message----- >From: asosis@ca.ibm.com [mailto:asosis@ca.ibm.com] >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:47 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PCP B/O, SRCL is up > > >SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV. I have >never bought off this kind of a pullback. Has anyone done this kind of buy >before? The action looks similar to the one of HOTT. ANy opinions? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DA69.DFBCD690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up

WON mentions buying at the 50 day moving average = often, including today's "Ask Bill O'Neil", it is very = CANSLIM. I guess you need to read more.

In an interview of WON, by Kevin Marder a couple of = years ago, Marder reported that after questioning WON about holdings in = AOL that WON had responded yes. (Marder noted that a week earlier WON = did not have any holdings in AOL). This was a time when AOL was working = on the bottom of a cup near the moving average. WON bought = then?

This is also a bounce off of support at 40, 40 used = to be resistance, hardly the type of stock that turns and falls 25% to = its 200 day.

The volume definitely wasn't there today.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com]
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:39 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up

I would not consider SRCL. This is pull back to = support at 40. If anything
it ultimately trades off the 200 dma, which is  = down about 25% from the
high.  If anything, if today proves to be a = volume move, which so far it
isn't, I'd be tempted to take a 1/2 position. Then = again, there are so many
better candidates out there right now, I probably = would take a pass.

Buying this type of pattern (it isn't in any pattern = WON mentions, IMHO),
is definitely not CANSLIM, volume aside.

At 01:06 PM 5/11/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>SRCL - There are many ways WON teaches to buy = stocks. Not just cup with
>handles. This one appears to be bouncing off the = 50 day moving average
>which he talks about often. If it does this on = good volume, this could be
>a good entry point. This stock is on my watch = list and also meets the
>group criteria. I then scan my list everyday at = lunch for high volume.
>This stock looks like it will not hit +50% = volume today but it will hit
>average volume easily. I believe these kind of = patterns can be highly
>profitable if bought on high volume.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: asosis@ca.ibm.com [<mailto:asosis@ca.ibm.com>mailto:asosis@ca.ibm.com]
>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:47 AM
>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PCP B/O, SRCL is = up
>
>
>SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is = already at 50% ADV.  I have
>never bought off this kind of a pullback.  = Has anyone done this kind of buy
>before?  The action looks similar to the = one of HOTT.  ANy opinions?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DA69.DFBCD690-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up Date: 11 May 2001 16:37:45 -0600 If you are buying a pullback on a previous breakout, I don't think you should use the 1.5XADV. If anything, you want to be sure the stock is moving up on good volume days, and the pullback is on lower volume days. That gives the an indication that the stock may be "resting" a bit, but the buyers still look to be outpacing the sellers. I haven't any experience buying pullbacks more than maybe 4 or 5 days later, so I don't have much experience with these. However, it does look like SRCL has had 4 plus days (of 9) on good volume that was well above the volume on the 4 down days in this timeframe. I would consider that bullish. At 03:50 PM 5/11/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Everyone, thank you for your replies. > >What kind of volume should one be looking for? The usual 50% or so above >ADV? What is "good volume" for this kind of pattern? > >Anna > > >"Dempsey, Chris" @lists.xmission.com on >05/11/2001 02:06:12 PM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: "'canslim@lists.xmission.com'" >cc: >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up > > >SRCL - There are many ways WON teaches to buy stocks. Not just cup with >handles. This one appears to be bouncing off the 50 day moving average >which he talks about often. If it does this on good volume, this could be a >good entry point. This stock is on my watch list and also meets the group >criteria. I then scan my list everyday at lunch for high volume. This stock >looks like it will not hit +50% volume today but it will hit average volume >easily. I believe these kind of patterns can be highly profitable if bought >on high volume. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: asosis@ca.ibm.com [mailto:asosis@ca.ibm.com] >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:47 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PCP B/O, SRCL is up > > > > > > >SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV. I have >never bought off this kind of a pullback. Has anyone done this kind of buy > >before? The action looks similar to the one of HOTT. ANy opinions? > > >Also, PCP broke out yesterday. Fundies are great. Thoughts on the chart? > > >Anna > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 11 May 2001 16:41:13 -0600 For the most part, I agree. The previous base and breakout was only 6 weeks, give or take, so it never made my watch list. (I follow the 7 week base minimum very closely, although IBD has recently said 5 weeks is good for a flat base.) The action since then looks to be a nice, lazy handle, and has added enough time to the base to add up to 9 weeks or so. I think a solid breakout on good volume above the handle (59.13 pivot) would be very tempting!! At 01:14 PM 5/11/01 -0600, you wrote: >This one was being discussed here a couple weeks ago, so maybe >someone has an opinion on it. It now looks like the previous >breakout was premature, and it is now forming a handle, and could >be ripe for another breakout from a more completely formed cup >and handle. Any comments? > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RS question ... Date: 11 May 2001 17:24:30 CDT I think RS is based on a weighted calculation with more weight given to t= he last couple of months. As you can see ACLNF didn't do terribly good over = the last 3 months (except for the last couple of days), which is reflected in= the 71 RS ranking. It is little oversimplifying to judge a bull/bear market by relative stre= ngth. If a stock go down less than other stocks, it still can have a good RS ranking. This is what the "R" is for. It is a relative measurement. - Fanus "Ian" wrote: I see that ACLNF has a RS of 71 now. 1 year ago it was at $18, and was at= $28.20 yesterday. That is a 56% increase in the last year. Does an ACLNF = RS of 71 mean that 29% of all publicly traded companies are up 56% or more o= ver the last year? If so, it sure doesn't sound like a terrible bear market = to me - perhaps the energy/financials/retailers/homebuilders make up 30% of = the market?. Is my interpretation correct? Thanks, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up Date: 11 May 2001 16:20:53 -0700 Au contraire, look at the chart, SRCL frequently does bounce off its 200 dma on an intraday basis, which looks suspiciously like stop-sweeping behavior by the MM. At 05:29 PM 5/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: >WON mentions buying at the 50 day moving average often, including today's >"Ask Bill O'Neil", it is very CANSLIM. I guess you need to read more. > >In an interview of WON, by Kevin Marder a couple of years ago, Marder >reported that after questioning WON about holdings in AOL that WON had >responded yes. (Marder noted that a week earlier WON did not have any >holdings in AOL). This was a time when AOL was working on the bottom of a >cup near the moving average. WON bought then? > >This is also a bounce off of support at 40, 40 used to be resistance, >hardly the type of stock that turns and falls 25% to its 200 day. > >The volume definitely wasn't there today. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com] >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:39 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up > >I would not consider SRCL. This is pull back to support at 40. If anything >it ultimately trades off the 200 dma, which is down about 25% from the >high. If anything, if today proves to be a volume move, which so far it >isn't, I'd be tempted to take a 1/2 position. Then again, there are so many >better candidates out there right now, I probably would take a pass. > >Buying this type of pattern (it isn't in any pattern WON mentions, IMHO), >is definitely not CANSLIM, volume aside. > >At 01:06 PM 5/11/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >SRCL - There are many ways WON teaches to buy stocks. Not just cup with > >handles. This one appears to be bouncing off the 50 day moving average > >which he talks about often. If it does this on good volume, this could be > >a good entry point. This stock is on my watch list and also meets the > >group criteria. I then scan my list everyday at lunch for high volume. > >This stock looks like it will not hit +50% volume today but it will hit > >average volume easily. I believe these kind of patterns can be highly > >profitable if bought on high volume. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: asosis@ca.ibm.com > [<mailto:asosis@ca.ibm.com>mailto:asosis@ca.ibm.com] > >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:47 AM > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PCP B/O, SRCL is up > > > > > >SRCL is starting to move up - up 5%, volume is already at 50% ADV. I have > >never bought off this kind of a pullback. Has anyone done this kind of buy > >before? The action looks similar to the one of HOTT. ANy opinions? Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RS question ... Date: 11 May 2001 20:43:24 -0400 O'Neil's RS, like EPS, is a two step calculation. In both cases, the second step is a percentile ranking of the results of the first step against all other stocks. You are completely correct that the first step of calculating RS is more heavily weighed on the most recent three months (and remember this is a daily calculation, so a price spike 88 days ago can affect noticeably the RS a few days in the future). It is a simple calculation of the percentage price change, with the latest three months getting a 40% weight, and the other three qtrs getting 20% weight each. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:24 PM I think RS is based on a weighted calculation with more weight given to the last couple of months. As you can see ACLNF didn't do terribly good over the last 3 months (except for the last couple of days), which is reflected in the 71 RS ranking. It is little oversimplifying to judge a bull/bear market by relative strength. If a stock go down less than other stocks, it still can have a good RS ranking. This is what the "R" is for. It is a relative measurement. - Fanus "Ian" wrote: I see that ACLNF has a RS of 71 now. 1 year ago it was at $18, and was at $28.20 yesterday. That is a 56% increase in the last year. Does an ACLNF RS of 71 mean that 29% of all publicly traded companies are up 56% or more over the last year? If so, it sure doesn't sound like a terrible bear market to me - perhaps the energy/financials/retailers/homebuilders make up 30% of the market?. Is my interpretation correct? Thanks, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________________ ___ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 21:36:06 -0400 Ian, I'll add a few additional thoughts to all the comments tonight. First, I would be very concerned (unless they reported today) that they still have not released Q1 data for 2001. Deadline for the normal 45 days allowed by the SEC is Tuesday, and a company that goes to the deadline, or needs to file an extension, suggests one not well managing its finances and cash flow. Add to that its cash flow reported by DGO is only $1.62 compared to last year's earnings of $2.97 would force me to expend a far greater amount of time and research in studying at least a year's worth of financial reports at the SEC site to figure out where their money is going. The low trailing PE of 10 (only 0.4X S&P 500 average) suggests a low expectation. The lack of at least three analysts may be creating this low expectation, but the bottom line remains what will cause the expectations to rise? They have been reporting extremely high double digit growth in both earnings and sales, yet expectations are so low? Are they inflating their accounting? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:29 AM I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of salt, but ... It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the chart over the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There is a beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If it takes this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers highs ($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% over last year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely NOT be up 122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on strong 60%+ growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still reasonable, IMHO. The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - from 48 early last week to 72 yesterday. There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if that is taken out. We'll see. Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: WRONG! (was Re: [CANSLIM] Tom's pick ATPX trying to B/O) Date: 11 May 2001 21:47:18 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C0DA63.F4059D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First off, this Tom doesn't post his picks to this group because he = deviates far too much from CANSLIM, at least on price and liquidity. Second, even if this appeared on one of my DGO List posts, that doesn't = make it a "pick", just something who's chart made it interesting one = week. Finally, I took a look at the chart to see why it was not on my watch = list at least, and note very stagnant sales both year to year and = sequentially. I also note that two of the past four quarters, including = the most recent, showed Y2Y earnings declines. I also noted the lack of = analyst's forecasts, as well as any reason to expect a change in these = fundies. Remember, when I post the DGO List, I am only reviewing the recent chart = of those stocks already screened by DGO. I am not doing any due = diligence, I expect you to do that before putting it on a watch list. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SACADS@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom's pick ATPX trying to B/O 15x +/- volume. Up about 8 %=20 not completly CANSLIM, low float, share price under $12=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C0DA63.F4059D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First off, this Tom doesn't post his picks to this = group=20 because he deviates far too much from CANSLIM, at least on price and=20 liquidity.
 
Second, even if this appeared on one of my DGO List = posts,=20 that doesn't make it a "pick", just something who's chart made it = interesting=20 one week.
 
Finally, I took a look at the chart to see why it = was not on=20 my watch list at least, and note very stagnant sales both year to year = and=20 sequentially. I also note that two of the past four quarters, including = the most=20 recent, showed Y2Y earnings declines. I also noted the lack of analyst's = forecasts, as well as any reason to expect a change in these=20 fundies.
 
Remember, when I post the DGO List, I am only = reviewing the=20 recent chart of those stocks already screened by DGO. I am not doing any = due=20 diligence, I expect you to do that before putting it on a watch=20 list.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 SACADS@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 = 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tom's = pick ATPX=20 trying to B/O

15x +/- = volume.=20  Up about 8 %

not completly CANSLIM, low float, share = price under=20 $12 ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C0DA63.F4059D40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CATT is setting up HTF? Date: 11 May 2001 22:01:01 -0400 The violence of the selloff on the left side of the cup would scare me. That was selling, and lack of support by the MMers, with a vengeance, especially considering the runup prior. Two weeks from 38.81 to 15.31, whew!! Glad I hadn't stumbled across this one before that! The way above average trailing and projected PE, along with the very high (over 11) mkt cap to sales ratio would make me avoid this one, despite what looks like a nice handle forming. I would also be concerned about the deep depth of the cup, probably exasperated by the severity of the left side of the cup. I would be less concerned about the failure of the double bottom to create a second, lower, bottom due to the severity of the original selloff in the left side. I don't see this latest action as a HTF, mostly because the spike on 5/2 failed to clear the immediately prior high, even on extreme volume. And of course it still was even further below the high set on the left side of the rim of the cup. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:52 PM Trading range is has been very tight for the last few days, volume has dropped. Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 19:27:04 -0700 Have a look at the comparative balance sheets: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010306/0558.html The shareholders equity went from $76 million to $126 million over the year - and the substantial % increase went straight into cash and retained earnings. I cannot find any other company save a few oil & gas plays that have shown this kind of real-not-CSCO-shenanigans-cashflow. (I should point out that their AR dropped $20 million between Dec 31 2000 and their last cc in Februrary - it's lumpiness is related to how they account for ships in transit). The bottom line is that their actual cash position increased by $3/share for the year. I am beginning to suspect that one of the reasons they are lagging so much is that the web 'information' sites appear to have inaccurate data on them. Your '$1.62 cash flow' data appears to be the second example today! However, I won't under-estimate the effect that this poor web data has. It will keep potential investors/traders away. The company clearly needs to shore up their IR/PR. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:36 PM > Ian, I'll add a few additional thoughts to all the comments > tonight. > > First, I would be very concerned (unless they reported today) > that they still have not released Q1 data for 2001. Deadline for > the normal 45 days allowed by the SEC is Tuesday, and a company > that goes to the deadline, or needs to file an extension, > suggests one not well managing its finances and cash flow. > > Add to that its cash flow reported by DGO is only $1.62 compared > to last year's earnings of $2.97 would force me to expend a far > greater amount of time and research in studying at least a year's > worth of financial reports at the SEC site to figure out where > their money is going. > > The low trailing PE of 10 (only 0.4X S&P 500 average) suggests a > low expectation. The lack of at least three analysts may be > creating this low expectation, but the bottom line remains what > will cause the expectations to rise? They have been reporting > extremely high double digit growth in both earnings and sales, > yet expectations are so low? Are they inflating their accounting? > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian > To: > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:29 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... > > > I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of > salt, but > ... > > It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the > chart over > the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There > is a > beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If > it takes > this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers > highs > ($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% > over last > year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely > NOT be up > 122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. > > THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on > strong 60%+ > growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still > reasonable, IMHO. > > The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - > from 48 > early last week to 72 yesterday. > > There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if > that is > taken out. We'll see. > > Ian > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 11 May 2001 22:17:05 -0400 I don't recall what I may have said previously about this one, but looking at the chart tonight, I see a three week downtrend. I think Tim mentioned that he saw it as a broken LLUR, I would agree with that overall. But I also note that the volume presently as it approaches the 50 DMA is dropping sharply. Probably worth watching for those able to watch it during the market hours, and maybe catching a quick spike up if they can catch it on volume still close to the 50 DMA. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:36 PM Patrick and Doug, Today in IBD in "New Buys of Top-Rated Mutual Funds", IGT is listed as having been bought by 17 A+, A, or A- funds that have invested $215 Million in it. Now, as I understand the table, these are the funds that have either bought or increased their position in the most recent period. I recall Tom saying he liked the looks and temper of IGT. Apparently, he is in good company. jans In a message dated 5/11/2001 4:18:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dzc@qwest.net writes: << It does look better than it did three weeks ago when it first appeared it was going to prematurely breakout. Seems like a long handle...three weeks if you start from that failed breakout. The base from left peak to the first b/o attempt is less than 7 weeks. If the 4/26 peak of 57.74 is the start of the handle then it's two weeks old. From that point to today it's decreased 7 % which isnt bad for a handle. Depth of the cup is about 19%. The handle is dipping ever so close to the 50dma. I'm hoping it finally breaks out next week. I'm getting impatient. At 01:14 PM 5/11/01 -0600, you wrote: >This one was being discussed here a couple weeks ago, so maybe >someone has an opinion on it. It now looks like the previous >breakout was premature, and it is now forming a handle, and could >be ripe for another breakout from a more completely formed cup >and handle. Any comments? > >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 11 May 2001 22:22:34 -0400 I'll try to spend a little time on the finances this weekend, Ian, but bottom line for me remains that they are waiting until the last moment, or later, to report earnings, and my experience is that is never a good sign, even for my favorite "babies" who don't have a full in house staff of bean counters. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:27 PM ... Have a look at the comparative balance sheets: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010306/0558.html The shareholders equity went from $76 million to $126 million over the year - and the substantial % increase went straight into cash and retained earnings. I cannot find any other company save a few oil & gas plays that have shown this kind of real-not-CSCO-shenanigans-cashflow. (I should point out that their AR dropped $20 million between Dec 31 2000 and their last cc in Februrary - it's lumpiness is related to how they account for ships in transit). The bottom line is that their actual cash position increased by $3/share for the year. I am beginning to suspect that one of the reasons they are lagging so much is that the web 'information' sites appear to have inaccurate data on them. Your '$1.62 cash flow' data appears to be the second example today! However, I won't under-estimate the effect that this poor web data has. It will keep potential investors/traders away. The company clearly needs to shore up their IR/PR. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:36 PM ... > Ian, I'll add a few additional thoughts to all the comments > tonight. > > First, I would be very concerned (unless they reported today) > that they still have not released Q1 data for 2001. Deadline for > the normal 45 days allowed by the SEC is Tuesday, and a company > that goes to the deadline, or needs to file an extension, > suggests one not well managing its finances and cash flow. > > Add to that its cash flow reported by DGO is only $1.62 compared > to last year's earnings of $2.97 would force me to expend a far > greater amount of time and research in studying at least a year's > worth of financial reports at the SEC site to figure out where > their money is going. > > The low trailing PE of 10 (only 0.4X S&P 500 average) suggests a > low expectation. The lack of at least three analysts may be > creating this low expectation, but the bottom line remains what > will cause the expectations to rise? They have been reporting > extremely high double digit growth in both earnings and sales, > yet expectations are so low? Are they inflating their accounting? > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian > To: > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:29 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... > > > I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of > salt, but > ... > > It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the > chart over > the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There > is a > beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If > it takes > this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers > highs > ($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% > over last > year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely > NOT be up > 122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. > > THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on > strong 60%+ > growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still > reasonable, IMHO. > > The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - > from 48 > early last week to 72 yesterday. > > There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if > that is > taken out. We'll see. > > Ian > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SACADS@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: WRONG! Ok, pick was a poor word. The memo was titled Date: 11 May 2001 22:23:46 EDT My small/micro cap watch list. It was dated 4/08/01 and I printed a copy of it. Tom this is twice that you've "disclaimed" making reference to a stock on this list. Since it's titled your "watch list" I assume you were and are continuing to watch them. Now apparently you aren't. I can't figure it out. I generally keep a watch list for longer than a month. The stocks numbers EPS/RS are good as is D. Company has some relatively good N and from looking closely at the last weeks action I suspect a growing institutional position. M is shaky at best. Low float, little volume. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: [CANSLIM] Interactivebrokers.com Date: 11 May 2001 23:15:00 -0700 Anyone using Interactivebrokers.com? Negatives? Satisfied? Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: WRONG! Ok, pick was a poor word. The memo was titled Date: 12 May 2001 05:46:03 -0400 Sorry, forgot I had given in to some requests and posted my watch list as a one time thing. I thought you were referring to the DGO List I post, but don't keep track of after that. I comment on far too many stocks to remember every one. A stock that does make my watch list may last for less than a week, or stay for several months. I try to only have about 20 on "watch", so when I find a new one it may bump off a weaker one. I normally evaluate the list every weekend and delete any that no longer meet my requirements (which includes those that may have already broken out without me on board). I dropped this one several weeks ago, primarily for the reasons I gave, stagnant growth. I noted the 33 cents earned in Q4, and looked ahead and saw they would have to do much better in the future if they were to show double digit growth as they were done with easy quarterly comparisons. As it turned out, they did worse in the Q1 and showed a 16% decline Y2Y. That would have dropped it from my list immediately if it had still been there. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:23 PM was titled My small/micro cap watch list. It was dated 4/08/01 and I printed a copy of it. Tom this is twice that you've "disclaimed" making reference to a stock on this list. Since it's titled your "watch list" I assume you were and are continuing to watch them. Now apparently you aren't. I can't figure it out. I generally keep a watch list for longer than a month. The stocks numbers EPS/RS are good as is D. Company has some relatively good N and from looking closely at the last weeks action I suspect a growing institutional position. M is shaky at best. Low float, little volume. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One Date: 12 May 2001 07:15:58 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C0DAB3.64E36840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This week's list totals 253, down slightly from 264, but still improving = from the prior totals of 245 and 195. It consists of those stocks in the Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) = that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or better. Additionally, = they must have been at or within 5% of the 12 month high during the = prior week. In my review of this overall list, I am only focusing on the = recent chart patterns.=20 This review of the overall list is solely intended to identify stocks = with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, that are = showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal bias against certain industries is largely ignored in the = review. =20 As always, my shorthand notation is Bx where "B" means a "B"ase of "x" = weeks, IMO. LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right MTON - B2 NVR - LLUR TARO - looks to be resuming LLUR CHIC - B2 USLB - B4 NYCB - B2 HOV - nice funnel recovery to higher than when the incorrect info was = released LEN - B3 USPH - HTF?, volume down ICTG - B2 GPI - B3 FCFS - B2 RJR - B2, flat c&h?, just under pivot UCBH - B2 on a c&h AGM - 4 straight days of above avg vol sustaining the b/o from the short = handle at 27 SJT - B4 CSGS - B2 PNM - B2 COLM - B2 DME - LLUR MINI - B2 STRA - B2+ PLB - saucer, B2 EFDS - LLUR Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C0DAB3.64E36840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This week's list totals 253, down slightly from 264, = but still=20 improving from the prior totals of 245 and 195.
 
It consists of those = stocks in the=20 Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) that as of Friday had both RS and EPS = of 80=20 or better.  Additionally, they must have been at or within 5% of = the 12=20 month high during the prior week. In my review of this overall list, I = am only=20 focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20
 
This review of the overall list is solely intended = to identify=20 stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, = that are=20 showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present=20 some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a=20 "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own personal bias = against=20 certain industries is largely ignored in the=20 review.
 
As always, my shorthand notation is = Bx where "B"=20 means a "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO. LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper=20 Right
 
MTON - B2
NVR - LLUR
TARO - looks to be resuming LLUR
CHIC -  B2
USLB - B4
NYCB - B2
HOV - nice funnel recovery to higher than when the = incorrect=20 info was released
LEN - B3
USPH - HTF?, volume down
ICTG - B2
GPI - B3
FCFS - B2
RJR - B2, flat c&h?, just under = pivot
UCBH - B2 on a c&h
AGM - 4 straight days of above avg vol sustaining = the b/o from=20 the short handle at 27
SJT - B4
CSGS - B2
PNM - B2
COLM - B2
DME - LLUR
MINI - B2
STRA - B2+
PLB - saucer, B2
EFDS - LLUR
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C0DAB3.64E36840-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interactivebrokers.com Date: 12 May 2001 06:55:17 -0500 I have looked at their site but not used their service. It has been recommended to me by a couple of very active trader friends. It's one of those many things on my list of things to check out :-( Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 1:15 AM > Anyone using Interactivebrokers.com? > > Negatives? > > Satisfied? > > Dan > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: [CANSLIM] junk mail Date: 12 May 2001 09:05:39 -0400 Is anyone else getting junk mail the last few days? Ann - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Donna Boyd" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] junk mail Date: 12 May 2001 08:10:37 -0500 Nothing out of the ordinary or that I could attribute to this listserv. Norman ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:05 AM > Is anyone else getting junk mail the last few days? > Ann > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Oken" Subject: [CANSLIM] daily vs weekly charts Date: 12 May 2001 08:09:03 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0DABA.CED1C4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excuse the fundamental question on charts but I would like to understand = how to use the weekly charts to identify bullish CANSLIM patterns. I = understand the daily views, looking for B/O and volume, etc., but don't = understand how I can use the weekly charts. Am I looking for a general = uptrend?=20 Thanks, Tracie ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0DABA.CED1C4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excuse the fundamental question on = charts but I=20 would like to understand how to use the weekly charts to identify = bullish=20 CANSLIM patterns.  I understand the daily views, looking for B/O = and=20 volume, etc., but don't understand how I can use the weekly = charts.  Am I=20 looking for a general uptrend? 
 
Thanks,  Tracie
 
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Hobbs" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One Date: 12 May 2001 11:29:06 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0DAD6.C1272B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just for the heck of it, well maybe it's helpful for your own analysis, = i took Tom's list and added the top 5 companies in each industry ranked = according to IBD. ACRT,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Credit Services ACS,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Information Technology Service AEOS,RETAIL - Apparel Stores AGM,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Credit Services APOL,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Education & Training Services ATR,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Packaging & Containers AYE,UTILITIES - Electric Utilities BANR,BANKING - Savings & Loans BKH,UTILITIES - Electric Utilities BMS,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Packaging & Containers BOKF,BANKING - Regional - Southwest Banks BPFH,BANKING - Regional - Northeast Banks BWE,BANKING - Regional - Pacific Banks BZH,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction CACI,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Technical Services CBH,BANKING - Regional - Northeast Banks CECO,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Education & Training Services CHBS,RETAIL - Apparel Stores CHIC,RETAIL - Apparel Stores CHS,RETAIL - Apparel Stores COCO,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Education & Training Services COF,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Credit Services COLM,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing CPRT,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & Services CRT,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Diversified Investments CSGS,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & Services DCOM,BANKING - Savings & Loans DME,BANKING - Savings & Loans DOM,ENERGY - Independent Oil & Gas DORL,REAL ESTATE - Mortgage Investment DVA,HEALTH SERVICES - Specialized Health Services EFDS,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & Services ESI,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Education & Training Services EWBC,BANKING - Regional - Pacific Banks FCFS,SPECIALTY RETAIL - Specialty Retail, Other FED,BANKING - Savings & Loans FRE,REAL ESTATE - Mortgage Investment GOSHA,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing GPI,SPECIALTY RETAIL - Auto Dealerships HIBB,SPECIALTY RETAIL - Sporting Goods Stores HOTT,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing HOV,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction HRB,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Personal Services HRBT,BANKING - Savings & Loans ICTG,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Business/Management Services ILUM,TELECOMMUNICATIONS - Diversified Communication Serv IRWN,BANKING - Regional - Midwest Banks IVX,DRUGS - Drugs - Generic JHF,INSURANCE - Life Insurance JJSF,FOOD & BEVERAGE - Processed & Packaged Goods JNY,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing KRB,BANKING - Regional - Mid-Atlantic Banks LAD,SPECIALTY RETAIL - Specialty Retail, Other LANC,CONSUMER DURABLES - Housewares & Accessories LEN,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction LNCR,HEALTH SERVICES - Specialized Health Services MAGI,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing MARPS,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Diversified Investments MDU,UTILITIES - Diversified Utilities MINI,MANUFACTURING - Metal Fabrication MKC,FOOD & BEVERAGE - Processed & Packaged Goods MO,TOBACCO - Cigarettes MTH,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction MTON,TELECOMMUNICATIONS - Diversified Communication Serv MYL,DRUGS - Drugs - Generic NAP,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & Services NDE,BANKING - Savings & Loans NIS,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Business/Management Services NVR,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction NYCB,BANKING - Savings & Loans OAT,FOOD & BEVERAGE - Food - Major Diversified OPTN,HEALTH SERVICES - Home Health Care PLB,FOOD & BEVERAGE - Processed & Packaged Goods PNM,UTILITIES - Diversified Utilities PPL,UTILITIES - Electric Utilities PRX,DRUGS - Drugs - Generic PTV,CONGLOMERATES - Conglomerates PWR,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - General Contractors QCBC,BANKING - Savings & Loans RCBK,BANKING - Savings & Loans RGIS,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Personal Services RHB,HEALTH SERVICES - Hospitals RJR,TOBACCO - Cigarettes RYL,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction SBR,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Diversified Investments SDS,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & Services SIB,BANKING - Regional - Midwest Banks SJT,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Diversified Investments SON,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Paper & Paper Products STRA,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Education & Training Services STW,TOBACCO - Tobacco Products, Other TARO,DRUGS - Drug Manufacturers - Other TEVA,DRUGS - Drug Manufacturers - Other TSS,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & Services UAG,SPECIALTY RETAIL - Auto Dealerships UCBH,BANKING - Regional - Pacific Banks URS,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Technical Services USLB,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Research Services USPH,HEALTH SERVICES - Specialized Health Services UST,TOBACCO - Tobacco Products, Other UVV,TOBACCO - Tobacco Products, Other VZ,TELECOMMUNICATIONS - Telecom Services - Domestic WBB,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction WSTC,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Business/Management Services ZQK,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 7:15 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part One This week's list totals 253, down slightly from 264, but still = improving from the prior totals of 245 and 195. It consists of those stocks in the Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) = that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or better. Additionally, = they must have been at or within 5% of the 12 month high during the = prior week. In my review of this overall list, I am only focusing on the = recent chart patterns.=20 This review of the overall list is solely intended to identify stocks = with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, that are = showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal bias against certain industries is largely ignored in the = review. As always, my shorthand notation is Bx where "B" means a "B"ase of "x" = weeks, IMO. LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right MTON - B2 NVR - LLUR TARO - looks to be resuming LLUR CHIC - B2 USLB - B4 NYCB - B2 HOV - nice funnel recovery to higher than when the incorrect info was = released LEN - B3 USPH - HTF?, volume down ICTG - B2 GPI - B3 FCFS - B2 RJR - B2, flat c&h?, just under pivot UCBH - B2 on a c&h AGM - 4 straight days of above avg vol sustaining the b/o from the = short handle at 27 SJT - B4 CSGS - B2 PNM - B2 COLM - B2 DME - LLUR MINI - B2 STRA - B2+ PLB - saucer, B2 EFDS - LLUR Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0DAD6.C1272B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just for the heck of it, well maybe = it's helpful=20 for your own analysis, i took Tom's list and added the top 5 = companies in=20 each industry ranked according to IBD.
 
ACRT,FINANCIAL SERVICES = - Credit=20 Services

ACS,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Information Technology = Service

AEOS,RETAIL - Apparel Stores

AGM,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Credit Services

APOL,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Education & Training Services

ATR,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Packaging & Containers

AYE,UTILITIES - Electric Utilities

BANR,BANKING - Savings & Loans

BKH,UTILITIES - Electric Utilities

BMS,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Packaging & Containers

BOKF,BANKING - Regional - Southwest Banks

BPFH,BANKING - Regional - Northeast Banks

BWE,BANKING - Regional - Pacific Banks

BZH,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction

CACI,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Technical Services

CBH,BANKING - Regional - Northeast Banks

CECO,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Education & Training Services

CHBS,RETAIL - Apparel Stores

CHIC,RETAIL - Apparel Stores

CHS,RETAIL - Apparel Stores

COCO,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Education & Training Services

COF,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Credit Services

COLM,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing

CPRT,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & = Services

CRT,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Diversified Investments

CSGS,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & = Services

DCOM,BANKING - Savings & Loans

DME,BANKING - Savings & Loans

DOM,ENERGY - Independent Oil & Gas

DORL,REAL ESTATE - Mortgage Investment

DVA,HEALTH SERVICES - Specialized Health Services

EFDS,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & = Services

ESI,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Education & Training Services

EWBC,BANKING - Regional - Pacific Banks

FCFS,SPECIALTY RETAIL - Specialty Retail, Other

FED,BANKING - Savings & Loans

FRE,REAL ESTATE - Mortgage Investment

GOSHA,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing

GPI,SPECIALTY RETAIL - Auto Dealerships

HIBB,SPECIALTY RETAIL - Sporting Goods Stores

HOTT,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing

HOV,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction

HRB,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Personal Services

HRBT,BANKING - Savings & Loans

ICTG,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Business/Management Services

ILUM,TELECOMMUNICATIONS - Diversified Communication Serv

IRWN,BANKING - Regional - Midwest Banks

IVX,DRUGS - Drugs - Generic

JHF,INSURANCE - Life Insurance

JJSF,FOOD & BEVERAGE - Processed & Packaged Goods

JNY,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing

KRB,BANKING - Regional - Mid-Atlantic Banks

LAD,SPECIALTY RETAIL - Specialty Retail, Other

LANC,CONSUMER DURABLES - Housewares & Accessories

LEN,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction

LNCR,HEALTH SERVICES - Specialized Health Services

MAGI,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel Clothing

MARPS,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Diversified Investments

MDU,UTILITIES - Diversified Utilities

MINI,MANUFACTURING - Metal Fabrication

MKC,FOOD & BEVERAGE - Processed & Packaged Goods

MO,TOBACCO - Cigarettes

MTH,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction

MTON,TELECOMMUNICATIONS - Diversified Communication Serv

MYL,DRUGS - Drugs - Generic

NAP,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & = Services

NDE,BANKING - Savings & Loans

NIS,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Business/Management Services

NVR,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction

NYCB,BANKING - Savings & Loans

OAT,FOOD & BEVERAGE - Food - Major Diversified

OPTN,HEALTH SERVICES - Home Health Care

PLB,FOOD & BEVERAGE - Processed & Packaged Goods

PNM,UTILITIES - Diversified Utilities

PPL,UTILITIES - Electric Utilities

PRX,DRUGS - Drugs - Generic

PTV,CONGLOMERATES - Conglomerates

PWR,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - General Contractors

QCBC,BANKING - Savings & Loans

RCBK,BANKING - Savings & Loans

RGIS,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Personal Services

RHB,HEALTH SERVICES - Hospitals

RJR,TOBACCO - Cigarettes

RYL,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction

SBR,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Diversified Investments

SDS,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & = Services

SIB,BANKING - Regional - Midwest Banks

SJT,FINANCIAL SERVICES - Diversified Investments

SON,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Paper & Paper Products

STRA,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Education & Training Services

STW,TOBACCO - Tobacco Products, Other

TARO,DRUGS - Drug Manufacturers - Other

TEVA,DRUGS - Drug Manufacturers - Other

TSS,COMPUTER SOFTWARE & SERVICES - Business Software & = Services

UAG,SPECIALTY RETAIL - Auto Dealerships

UCBH,BANKING - Regional - Pacific Banks

URS,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Technical Services

USLB,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Research Services

USPH,HEALTH SERVICES - Specialized Health Services

UST,TOBACCO - Tobacco Products, Other

UVV,TOBACCO - Tobacco Products, Other

VZ,TELECOMMUNICATIONS - Telecom Services - Domestic

WBB,MATERIALS & CONSTRUCTION - Residential Construction

WSTC,DIVERSIFIED SERVICES - Business/Management Services

ZQK,CONSUMER NON-DURABLES - Textile - Apparel=20 Clothing

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 = 7:15=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - = Part=20 One

This week's list totals 253, down slightly from = 264, but=20 still improving from the prior totals of 245 and 195.
 
It consists of those = stocks in the=20 Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) that as of Friday had both RS and = EPS of 80=20 or better.  Additionally, they must have been at or within 5% of = the 12=20 month high during the prior week. In my review of this overall list, I = am only=20 focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20
 
This review of the overall list is solely intended = to=20 identify stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON = sourced data,=20 that are showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The = idea is=20 to present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest = they are=20 presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal=20 bias against certain industries is largely ignored in = the=20 review.
 
As always, my shorthand notation is = Bx where=20 "B" means a "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO. LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper=20 Right
 
MTON - B2
NVR - LLUR
TARO - looks to be resuming LLUR
CHIC -  B2
USLB - B4
NYCB - B2
HOV - nice funnel recovery to higher than when the = incorrect=20 info was released
LEN - B3
USPH - HTF?, volume down
ICTG - B2
GPI - B3
FCFS - B2
RJR - B2, flat c&h?, just under = pivot
UCBH - B2 on a c&h
AGM - 4 straight days of above avg vol sustaining = the b/o=20 from the short handle at 27
SJT - B4
CSGS - B2
PNM - B2
COLM - B2
DME - LLUR
MINI - B2
STRA - B2+
PLB - saucer, B2
EFDS - LLUR
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0DAD6.C1272B00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Young Bowlden" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interactivebrokers.com Date: 12 May 2001 11:39:40 -0400 I have used Interactive Brokers for the last three months and have been very pleased. Commissions are very reasonable at .01 per share. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:15 AM > Anyone using Interactivebrokers.com? > > Negatives? > > Satisfied? > > Dan > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] daily vs weekly charts Date: 12 May 2001 12:45:17 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0DAE1.65E9ECE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tracie, You use a weekly chart just like a daily chart, but the difference is = that the weekly compresses the data and smoothes the daily fluctuations = and variations so that you get a smoother chart. It is also giving you a = longer time frame overall, so you may see a different picture than if = you only looked at 12 months. This could be most important as the past = 12 months have been very miserable for so many stocks. Looking at a = three or five year chart may help keep things in perspective. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jay Oken=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 11:09 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] daily vs weekly charts Excuse the fundamental question on charts but I would like to = understand how to use the weekly charts to identify bullish CANSLIM = patterns. I understand the daily views, looking for B/O and volume, = etc., but don't understand how I can use the weekly charts. Am I = looking for a general uptrend?=20 =20 Thanks, Tracie =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0DAE1.65E9ECE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tracie,
 
You use a weekly chart just like a daily chart, but = the=20 difference is that the weekly compresses the data and smoothes the daily = fluctuations and variations so that you get a smoother chart. It is also = giving=20 you a longer time frame overall, so you may see a different picture than = if you=20 only looked at 12 months.  This could be most important as the past = 12=20 months have been very miserable for so many stocks. Looking at a three = or five=20 year chart may help keep things in perspective.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jay=20 Oken
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 = 11:09=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] daily vs = weekly=20 charts

Excuse the fundamental question on = charts but I=20 would like to understand how to use the weekly charts to identify = bullish=20 CANSLIM patterns.  I understand the daily views, looking for B/O = and=20 volume, etc., but don't understand how I can use the weekly = charts.  Am I=20 looking for a general uptrend? 
 
Thanks,  Tracie
 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0DAE1.65E9ECE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "The Curry's" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 12 May 2001 11:55:05 -0500 Yes, Ann, I also got 2 e-mails of the Snow White over the course of a 2 day period about a week ago and can't figure out how I got them since I don't get unsolicited mail. But, suspecting they probably had a virus attached, I immediately deleted them and emptied my trash bin. Patti ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:12 AM > Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail. The virus was > something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy virgin.scr in my > TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to Norton/Symantec. Watch out. > I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned before mailing > this) > > Ann > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] junk mail Date: 12 May 2001 11:10:11 -0700 I've been getting home refinancing junk mail from some fake address about once a day for the past month now. I sure it's due to the newer more sophisticated "mail-bot" address harvesting software they are using lately. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:05 AM > Is anyone else getting junk mail the last few days? > Ann > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part Two Date: 12 May 2001 14:03:39 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C0DAEC.58987F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AW - B5 PTV - B2 handle on the cup CORS - B5 DNB - B2 SDS - cup completed, handle declining but on light volume ACAI - B5, an airline with INCREASING earnings? ATK - B2+ NFB - B6 FLM - B3 SBMC - HTF BCF - B2 TSS - B2 BBX - B2, Caution: low priced, and only latest two qtrs have strong = earnings growth HI - B2+? SNV - saucer? CHD - B6 handle on a flat cup OO - B2 SWN - B2 HTF UCU - B3 TFX - B2 BPOP - B3+ GD - B1+ EXC - B5 MCO - B3 NAUT - B2 MTB - B4 VAIL - B6 MLS - B4 CRR - forming a handle, worth watching, earnings projected at 77% this = year HARB - B5 ALOG - B2 ACV - B2 on a saucer TGT - breaking out from a B2 handle on a saucer on good retail reports ALL - B2 CBM - HTF? ACVA - B2 WBST - B2 HELE - high tight pennant? Happy Hunting, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C0DAEC.58987F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
AW - B5
PTV - B2 handle on the cup
CORS - B5
DNB - B2
SDS - cup completed, handle declining but on light=20 volume
ACAI - B5, an airline with INCREASING = earnings?
ATK - B2+
NFB - B6
FLM - B3
SBMC - HTF
BCF - B2
TSS - B2
BBX - B2, Caution: low priced, and only latest two = qtrs have=20 strong earnings growth
HI - B2+?
SNV - saucer?
CHD - B6 handle on a flat cup
OO - B2
SWN - B2 HTF
UCU - B3
TFX - B2
BPOP - B3+
GD - B1+
EXC - B5
MCO - B3
NAUT - B2
MTB - B4
VAIL - B6
MLS - B4
CRR - forming a handle, worth watching, earnings = projected at=20 77% this year
HARB - B5
ALOG - B2
ACV - B2 on a saucer
TGT - breaking out from a B2 handle on a saucer on = good retail=20 reports
ALL - B2
CBM - HTF?
ACVA - B2
WBST - B2
HELE - high tight pennant?
 
Happy Hunting,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
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It's one of > those many things on my list of things to check out :-( > > Norman Boyd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 1:15 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Interactivebrokers.com > > > Anyone using Interactivebrokers.com? > > > > Negatives? > > > > Satisfied? > > > > Dan > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interactivebrokers.com Date: 12 May 2001 12:02:19 -0700 Have you had any connectivity problems with them? Are you using their browser based access or are you using their software residing on your machine? Thanks for the response! Dan Young Bowlden wrote: > I have used Interactive Brokers for the last three months and have been very > pleased. Commissions are very reasonable at .01 per share. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:15 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Interactivebrokers.com > > > Anyone using Interactivebrokers.com? > > > > Negatives? > > > > Satisfied? > > > > Dan > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Young Bowlden" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Interactivebrokers.com Date: 12 May 2001 15:56:12 -0400 Dan I have used both, the software connects a little easier than the browser basesd work station. I use them for equities and also futures and have no complaints. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 3:02 PM > Have you had any connectivity problems with them? > > Are you using their browser based access or are you using their software > residing on your machine? > > Thanks for the response! > Dan > > Young Bowlden wrote: > > > I have used Interactive Brokers for the last three months and have been very > > pleased. Commissions are very reasonable at .01 per share. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 2:15 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Interactivebrokers.com > > > > > Anyone using Interactivebrokers.com? > > > > > > Negatives? > > > > > > Satisfied? > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 12 May 2001 14:28:01 -0600 I also got a virus here a few days ago. My virus program picked it up and I promptly deleted the file. I wondered where they had found my email address. At 11:55 AM 5/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, Ann, I also got 2 e-mails of the Snow White over the course of a 2 >day period about a week ago and can't figure out how I got them since I >don't get unsolicited mail. But, suspecting they probably had a virus >attached, I immediately deleted them and emptied my trash bin. > >Patti > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ann Hollingworth" >To: "CANSLIM Listserv" >Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 10:12 AM >Subject: [CANSLIM] virus > > >> Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail. The virus >was >> something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy virgin.scr in my >> TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to Norton/Symantec. Watch >out. >> I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned before mailing >> this) >> >> Ann >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Current holdings and watch Date: 12 May 2001 16:45:07 EDT --part1_e0.148297ff.282efad3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still would like to share current holdings with group so others can see another's stock likes. SFC, SPCH, HOV, NHCH, HOC, IHSC, KDE, ALLY, picked up a couple from this board, thanks. Might buy on Mon. STW feed back on this one welcome, neg. or pos. Also like VLO here. Chris. --part1_e0.148297ff.282efad3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still would like to share current holdings with group so others can see
another's stock likes.
SFC, SPCH, HOV, NHCH, HOC, IHSC, KDE, ALLY, picked up a couple from this
board, thanks.

Might buy on Mon. STW feed back on this one welcome, neg. or pos.
Also like VLO here.

Chris. --part1_e0.148297ff.282efad3_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 12 May 2001 18:06:52 -0700 (PDT) --0-153865655-989716012=:26686 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City. Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received. I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point. Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up. WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them. It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals. Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys. If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask. Steve Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? --0-153865655-989716012=:26686 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City.   Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received.  I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point.  Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up.   WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them.  It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals.

Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys.

If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask.

Steve

 

 

 


Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? --0-153865655-989716012=:26686-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RS question ... Date: 12 May 2001 22:45:59 EDT Fanus: The RS line (which is in DG) is based on the comparitive strength of the stock to the S&P. The RS in IBD (which, I believe, is what Ian was referring to) is based on the stock's 1 year performance. I agree with Ian. I kind of puzzles me why a more than 50% increase in a stock in a bear market is only worth WON's RS rating of 71. Perhaps, WON does weight recent performance in gauging the RS rating-after all it did drop from March to April in 2001 about 33%. To make matters more confusing RS is also an overbought/oversold indicator based on the stock's previous performance. jans In a message dated 5/11/2001 6:55:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fanus@usa.net writes: << think RS is based on a weighted calculation with more weight given to the last couple of months. As you can see ACLNF didn't do terribly good over the last 3 months (except for the last couple of days), which is reflected in the 71 RS ranking. It is little oversimplifying to judge a bull/bear market by relative strength. If a stock go down less than other stocks, it still can have a good RS ranking. This is what the "R" is for. It is a relative measurement. - Fanus "Ian" wrote: I see that ACLNF has a RS of 71 now. 1 year ago it was at $18, and was at $28.20 yesterday. That is a 56% increase in the last year. Does an ACLNF RS of 71 mean that 29% of all publicly traded companies are up 56% or more over the last year? If so, it sure doesn't sound like a terrible bear market to me - perhaps the energy/financials/retailers/homebuilders make up 30% of the market?. Is my interpretation correct? Thanks, Ian >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up Date: 12 May 2001 22:54:18 EDT Tim: What do you mean by, "stop-sweeping behavior by the MM"? (Specifically, what is "stop-sweeping behavior" and what does the acronym "MM" stand for?) jans In a message dated 5/11/2001 7:26:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tim@orerockon.com writes: << look at the chart, SRCL frequently does bounce off its 200 dma on an intraday basis, which looks suspiciously like stop-sweeping behavior by the MM. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 12 May 2001 23:14:33 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0DB39.4E36B1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Steve, and thanks for the offer Any comments or insight by the Great Guru regarding whether we are now = in a bull market, or just a rally in a continuing bear mkt? Any comments on small cap stocks? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City. = Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was = kind of steep for the value received. I am always looking for help with = selling, always my weakest point. Not the 8% loss on fresh money but = once a stock has moved up. WON spent an unusual amount of time talking = about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them. It was the major = focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some = discussion of other sell signals. Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps = should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have = lead the recent rallys. If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to = ask. Steve ----- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0DB39.4E36B1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Steve, and thanks for the offer
 
Any comments or insight  by the Great Guru = regarding=20 whether we are now in a bull market, or just a rally in a continuing = bear=20 mkt?
 
Any comments on small cap stocks?
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = F=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 = 9:06=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance = Investment=20 Seminar

 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New = York=20 City.   Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, = the $795=20 fee was kind of steep for the value received.  I am always = looking for=20 help with selling, always my weakest point.  Not the 8% loss on = fresh=20 money but once a stock has moved up.   WON spent an unusual = amount=20 of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize = them.  It=20 was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there = was some=20 discussion of other sell signals.

Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps = should=20 now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead = the=20 recent rallys.

If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free = to=20 ask.

Steve

 

 

 


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Yahoo!=20 Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to=20 sell? ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0DB39.4E36B1C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up Date: 12 May 2001 21:18:08 -0700 Stop sweep, stop raid, etc. looks like the MM, market maker, is dropping the price on weakness and "sweeping up" stops at the open to get enough cheap shares for a favorite institutional client. At 10:54 PM 5/12/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Tim: > > What do you mean by, "stop-sweeping behavior by the > MM"? (Specifically, >what is "stop-sweeping behavior" and what does the acronym "MM" stand for?) > >jans > > > >In a message dated 5/11/2001 7:26:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >tim@orerockon.com writes: > ><< look at the chart, SRCL frequently does bounce off its 200 > dma on an intraday basis, which looks suspiciously like stop-sweeping > behavior by the MM. >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current holdings and watch Date: 13 May 2001 00:37:29 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0DB44.E4642000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, you just don't get it, do you? This is a CANSLIM board, not a = day trader's momentum board. The "M" in CANSLIM stands for Market, not = momentum. Why would you think anyone trying to practice CANSLIM would be = interested in your efforts to buy STW (already 20% extended over a very = short base) or VLO (with no nearby support of any kind)?? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Current holdings and watch Still would like to share current holdings with group so others can = see=20 another's stock likes.=20 SFC, SPCH, HOV, NHCH, HOC, IHSC, KDE, ALLY, picked up a couple from = this=20 board, thanks.=20 Might buy on Mon. STW feed back on this one welcome, neg. or pos.=20 Also like VLO here.=20 Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0DB44.E4642000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris, you just don't get it, do you?  This is = a CANSLIM=20 board, not a day trader's momentum board. The "M" in CANSLIM stands for = Market,=20 not momentum.
 
Why would you think anyone trying to practice = CANSLIM would be=20 interested in your efforts to buy STW (already 20% extended over a very = short=20 base) or VLO (with no nearby support of any kind)??
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 = 4:45=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Current = holdings and=20 watch

Still would = like to=20 share current holdings with group so others can see
another's = stock likes.=20
SFC, SPCH, HOV, NHCH, HOC, IHSC, KDE, ALLY, picked up a couple = from this=20
board, thanks.

Might buy on Mon. STW feed back on this one = welcome, neg. or pos.
Also like VLO here.

Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0DB44.E4642000-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? Date: 13 May 2001 00:50:37 -0400 Sorry for the delay in responding, Ian, but the first time I looked at this chart, I simply couldn't make up my mind, and figured someone else would jump in. Anyway, I am still a little torn on this one. Looks like it is building a slightly ragged base, now 4 weeks old. Doesn't seem like there are high expectations (hence the trailing PE of 8) despite the projected 38% growth in earnings this year. Doesn't make sense. Funds already have 20%, but that could grow if they felt good about it. Management has a good stake at 28% of the issue. ROE weak at 12%, but cash flow good at $3.64 vs last year's earnings of $2.49. It's not in the top 5 of its group, and the GRS is only 56, but I suspect it's more crude oil shipping related than general Transportation-Shipping. All in all, I guess I would have to do some homework on this one before putting it on my watch list. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:16 PM Since I appear to be hung up on shipping companies today, does anyone have an opinion on OSG (78 81 C A A)? Thanks, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Current holdings PS Date: 13 May 2001 01:48:07 EDT --part1_7e.14c94535.282f7a17_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also still watching CNTL seems to be trending back up. CP also looking good. Have a good week everyone. Chris --part1_7e.14c94535.282f7a17_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also still watching CNTL seems to be trending back up. CP also looking good.
Have a good week everyone.

Chris --part1_7e.14c94535.282f7a17_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Light Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current holdings and watch Date: 13 May 2001 02:08:56 -0400 Tom, I'm interested in "Pure Canslim" plus how Chris & others trade variations of it. It's helpful for me to know that it's a variation, but certainly not distracting or confusing. regards, Joseph Light - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current holdings and watch Date: 13 May 2001 06:48:50 -0400 Joseph, you are of course perfectly free to follow Chris' lead. But I do not consider his trading, or picks, or holdings, or targets for next week, to be a "variation" of CANSLIM. I consider them to be pure momentum plays used by a day trader. Because he's playing momentum, and has the time during the day to sit in front of a monitor and watch them, they do usually have high RS. Sometimes they even have acceptable EPS ratings. But rarely do they have any chart formation that is vaguely appropriate for a CANSLIMer to consider. And some have truly dismal earnings history or projections. I don't believe that there is "pure" CANSLIM, any more than I believe there is a "perfect" CANSLIM stock. If Chris was simply doing his personal variation of CANSLIM, I would have no problem with that, we all do it. But he sees CP as "looking good" and I see it as forecasted to have earnings DECLINE 23% this year and another DECLINE of 9% next year. That is not even vaguely CANSLIM, that is trying to play the momentum short term. Good luck, and be careful, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:08 AM Tom, I'm interested in "Pure Canslim" plus how Chris & others trade variations of it. It's helpful for me to know that it's a variation, but certainly not distracting or confusing. regards, Joseph Light - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 13 May 2001 03:53:08 -0700 (PDT) --0-1231565751-989751188=:4763 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii He was very definite in his opinion that the worst is behind us, that we have bottomed out in the past month, and we should be very watchful of follow through days on the major indexes. Consistant with his teachings, he noted that the market leaders will show themselves and not to expect the market leaders to be the ones that lead the market in the past. There was no specific comment on small stocks, Tom. The only interesting note on the size of companies was that all stocks should be considered, including the big caps. To further answer your question, there was a full page letter from WON in Investors Business Daily about 10 days ago, wherein he wrote that he felt the bear market was over or clearly had bottomed. He reiterated those comments yesterday. Tom Worley wrote: Hi Steve, and thanks for the offer Any comments or insight by the Great Guru regarding whether we are now in a bull market, or just a rally in a continuing bear mkt? Any comments on small cap stocks? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:06 PM I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City. Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received. I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point. Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up. WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them. It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals. Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys. If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask. Steve Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? --0-1231565751-989751188=:4763 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

He was very definite in his opinion that the worst is behind us, that we have bottomed out in the past month, and we should be very watchful of follow through days on the major indexes.  Consistant with his teachings, he noted that the market leaders will show themselves and not to expect the market leaders to be the ones that lead the market in the past.   There was no specific comment on small stocks, Tom.  The only interesting note on the size of companies was that all stocks should be considered, including the big caps.

To further answer your question, there was a full page letter from WON in Investors Business Daily about 10 days ago, wherein he wrote that he felt the bear market was over or clearly had bottomed.  He reiterated those comments yesterday.

 

Tom Worley <stkguru@netside.net> wrote:





Hi Steve, and thanks for the offer

 

Any comments or insight  by the Great Guru regarding whether we are now in a bull market, or just a rally in a continuing bear mkt?

 

Any comments on small cap stocks?

 


 

 


----- Original Message -----

From: Steve F


Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:06 PM

Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar



 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City.   Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received.  I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point.  Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up.   WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them.  It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals.


Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys.


If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask.


Steve


 


 


 





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Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? --0-1231565751-989751188=:4763-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 13 May 2001 07:38:04 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0DB7F.A5470B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Steve, nice to hear that he thinks the bear is back in the cave, = even if he didn't favor a return to small caps. At least he didn't = exclude them! Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 He was very definite in his opinion that the worst is behind us, that = we have bottomed out in the past month, and we should be very watchful = of follow through days on the major indexes. Consistant with his = teachings, he noted that the market leaders will show themselves and not = to expect the market leaders to be the ones that lead the market in the = past. There was no specific comment on small stocks, Tom. The only = interesting note on the size of companies was that all stocks should be = considered, including the big caps.=20 To further answer your question, there was a full page letter from WON = in Investors Business Daily about 10 days ago, wherein he wrote that he = felt the bear market was over or clearly had bottomed. He reiterated = those comments yesterday. Tom Worley wrote:=20 Hi Steve, and thanks for the offer Any comments or insight by the Great Guru regarding whether we are = now in a bull market, or just a rally in a continuing bear mkt? Any comments on small cap stocks? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:06 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York = City. Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee = was kind of steep for the value received. I am always looking for help = with selling, always my weakest point. Not the 8% loss on fresh money = but once a stock has moved up. WON spent an unusual amount of time = talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them. It was the = major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some = discussion of other sell signals. Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps = should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have = lead the recent rallys. If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free = to ask. Steve - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? ----- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0DB7F.A5470B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Steve, nice to hear that he thinks the bear = is back in=20 the cave, even if he didn't favor a return to small caps. At least he = didn't=20 exclude them!
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = F=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:53 = AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD = Advance=20 Investment Seminar

He was very definite in his opinion that the worst is behind us, = that we=20 have bottomed out in the past month, and we should be very watchful of = follow=20 through days on the major indexes.  Consistant with his = teachings, he=20 noted that the market leaders will show themselves and not to expect = the=20 market leaders to be the ones that lead the market in the = past.  =20 There was no specific comment on small stocks, Tom.  The only = interesting=20 note on the size of companies was that all stocks should be = considered,=20 including the big caps.=20

To further answer your question, there was a full page letter from = WON in=20 Investors Business Daily about 10 days ago, wherein he wrote that he = felt the=20 bear market was over or clearly had bottomed.  He reiterated = those=20 comments yesterday.

 

Tom Worley <stkguru@netside.net> = wrote:=20





Hi Steve, and thanks for the = offer

 

Any comments or insight  by the Great Guru = regarding=20 whether we are now in a bull market, or just a rally in a continuing = bear=20 mkt?

 

Any comments on small cap = stocks?

 

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net

 

 


----- Original Message ----- =

From:=20 Steve F=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =

Sent: Saturday, May 12, = 2001 9:06=20 PM

Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD = Advance=20 Investment Seminar



 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in = New York=20 City.   Although it was interesting, and the day flew = by, the=20 $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received.  I am = always=20 looking for help with selling, always my weakest point.  Not = the 8%=20 loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up.   WON = spent=20 an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and = how to=20 recognize them.  It was the major focus of the segment of = correct=20 selling, although there was some discussion of other sell = signals.


Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big = caps=20 should now be included in considering stocks for investment as = they have=20 lead the recent rallys.


If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel = free to=20 ask.


Steve


 


 


 





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Yahoo!=20 Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to=20 sell? ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C0DB7F.A5470B40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current holdings and watch Date: 13 May 2001 07:51:06 CDT This is exactly why posts from people like Chris is dangerous. People st= art to think this is a variation of CANSLIM when it in fact have nothing to d= o with CANSLIM. He seems to be thinking that by throwing in a CANSLIM stoc= k in every once in a while, this make his other posts ok. I stopped reading any of his posts and delete his e-mails right away. = - Fanus = Joseph Light wrote: Tom, I'm interested in "Pure Canslim" plus how Chris & others trade variations of it. It's helpful for me to know that it's a variation, but certainly not distracting or confusing. regards, Joseph Light - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dannygottlieb" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Date: 13 May 2001 16:31:35 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0DBCA.2D5CB120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, this is to refresh your memory.Still waiting for it to pop. Danny ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? I stopped my review long enough to post this, IGT looks to me to be = about as good as it gets, even in a good "M". RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow $2.67 compared to last year's = earnings of $1.81 Group A, GRS 96, 5 year earnings growth a weak 20%, but forecast for = present year is 50% (recently increased) and next year 11% (also = recently increased) Funds have 21%, management 7% A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its group (Leisure - Gaming) Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern from last Sept to 3/7/01, = when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had not traded measurably = under its 50 dma. On 3/19 it dropped sharply below its 50 dma, anyone = who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have exited then, if not sooner = using trailing stops (it's close that day was over 16% below the high of = 3/7). Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which at its low had given up = 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of the bottom of the = cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking in the bottom of the = cup is any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume remained close to or = above ADV, suggesting institutional support. It looks like it started a = handle at 55, then broke out briefly just under the high. May be simply = a continuation of the handle, but upward due recent improvement in = market sentiment. Or it may be doing a base on base. Either way, volume = is now declining,=20 Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 month chart. I am not saying members should rush out and buy this one. I won't, = because it's well above my price range. I do think this stock is worth = studying for learning purposes, and following for some time to see how = it does from here. For some members, it should be on your watch list. Opinions and comments welcomed, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0DBCA.2D5CB120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom, this is to refresh your = memory.Still waiting=20 for it to pop. Danny
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 = 12:09=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a = "perfect"=20 CANSLIM??

I stopped my review long enough to post this, IGT = looks to=20 me to be about as good as it gets, even in a good "M".
 
RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow $2.67 = compared to=20 last year's earnings of $1.81
 
Group A, GRS 96, 5 year = earnings growth=20 a weak 20%, but forecast for present year is 50%=20 (recently increased) and next year 11%=20 (also recently increased)
 
Funds have 21%, management 7%
 
A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its = group (Leisure=20 - Gaming)
 
Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern from = last Sept=20 to 3/7/01, when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had not traded = measurably under its 50 dma.  On 3/19 it dropped sharply below = its 50=20 dma, anyone who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have exited then, = if not=20 sooner using trailing stops (it's close that day was over 16% below = the high=20 of 3/7).
 
Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which at = its low had=20 given up 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of the = bottom of the=20 cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking in the bottom of = the cup is=20 any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume remained close to or = above ADV,=20 suggesting institutional support. It looks like it started a handle at = 55,=20 then broke out briefly just under the high. May be simply a = continuation of=20 the handle, but upward due recent improvement in market sentiment. Or = it may=20 be doing a base on base. Either way, volume is now declining, =
 
Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 = month=20 chart.
 
I am not saying members should rush out and buy = this one. I=20 won't, because it's well above my price range. I do think this stock = is worth=20 studying for learning purposes, and following for some time to see how = it does=20 from here.  For some members, it should be on your watch=20 list.
 
Opinions and comments welcomed,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0DBCA.2D5CB120-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dannygottlieb" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Date: 13 May 2001 16:31:35 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0DBCA.2D5CB120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, this is to refresh your memory.Still waiting for it to pop. Danny ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? I stopped my review long enough to post this, IGT looks to me to be = about as good as it gets, even in a good "M". RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow $2.67 compared to last year's = earnings of $1.81 Group A, GRS 96, 5 year earnings growth a weak 20%, but forecast for = present year is 50% (recently increased) and next year 11% (also = recently increased) Funds have 21%, management 7% A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its group (Leisure - Gaming) Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern from last Sept to 3/7/01, = when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had not traded measurably = under its 50 dma. On 3/19 it dropped sharply below its 50 dma, anyone = who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have exited then, if not sooner = using trailing stops (it's close that day was over 16% below the high of = 3/7). Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which at its low had given up = 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of the bottom of the = cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking in the bottom of the = cup is any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume remained close to or = above ADV, suggesting institutional support. It looks like it started a = handle at 55, then broke out briefly just under the high. May be simply = a continuation of the handle, but upward due recent improvement in = market sentiment. Or it may be doing a base on base. Either way, volume = is now declining,=20 Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 month chart. I am not saying members should rush out and buy this one. I won't, = because it's well above my price range. I do think this stock is worth = studying for learning purposes, and following for some time to see how = it does from here. For some members, it should be on your watch list. Opinions and comments welcomed, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0DBCA.2D5CB120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom, this is to refresh your = memory.Still waiting=20 for it to pop. Danny
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 = 12:09=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a = "perfect"=20 CANSLIM??

I stopped my review long enough to post this, IGT = looks to=20 me to be about as good as it gets, even in a good "M".
 
RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow $2.67 = compared to=20 last year's earnings of $1.81
 
Group A, GRS 96, 5 year = earnings growth=20 a weak 20%, but forecast for present year is 50%=20 (recently increased) and next year 11%=20 (also recently increased)
 
Funds have 21%, management 7%
 
A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its = group (Leisure=20 - Gaming)
 
Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern from = last Sept=20 to 3/7/01, when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had not traded = measurably under its 50 dma.  On 3/19 it dropped sharply below = its 50=20 dma, anyone who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have exited then, = if not=20 sooner using trailing stops (it's close that day was over 16% below = the high=20 of 3/7).
 
Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which at = its low had=20 given up 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of the = bottom of the=20 cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking in the bottom of = the cup is=20 any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume remained close to or = above ADV,=20 suggesting institutional support. It looks like it started a handle at = 55,=20 then broke out briefly just under the high. May be simply a = continuation of=20 the handle, but upward due recent improvement in market sentiment. Or = it may=20 be doing a base on base. Either way, volume is now declining, =
 
Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 = month=20 chart.
 
I am not saying members should rush out and buy = this one. I=20 won't, because it's well above my price range. I do think this stock = is worth=20 studying for learning purposes, and following for some time to see how = it does=20 from here.  For some members, it should be on your watch=20 list.
 
Opinions and comments welcomed,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C0DBCA.2D5CB120-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current holdings and watch Date: 13 May 2001 08:28:15 -0600 --=====================_382621613==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tom I just took a quick look at CP after seeing your comments. It's my understanding that not using est. earnings is a variation of CANSLIM. There are some who don't trust the analysts to be able to forecast annual earnings with any accuracy. >' But he sees CP as "looking good" and I >see it as forecasted to have earnings DECLINE 23% this year and >another DECLINE of 9% next year. That is not even vaguely >CANSLIM, that is trying to play the momentum short term.' > >Good luck, and be careful, > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Joseph Light >To: >Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:08 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current holdings and watch > > >Tom, > >I'm interested in "Pure Canslim" plus how Chris & others trade >variations of it. It's helpful for me to know that it's a >variation, >but certainly not distracting or confusing. > >regards, > >Joseph Light > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. --=====================_382621613==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Tom

I just took a quick look at CP after seeing your comments.
It's my understanding that not using est. earnings is a variation
of CANSLIM. There are some who don't trust the analysts to be
able to forecast annual earnings with any accuracy.

' But he sees CP as "looking good" and I
see it as forecasted to have earnings DECLINE 23% this year and
another DECLINE of 9% next year. That is not even vaguely
CANSLIM, that is trying to play the momentum short term.'

Good luck, and be careful,

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:08 AM


Tom,

I'm interested in "Pure Canslim" plus how Chris & others trade
variations of it.  It's helpful for me to know that it's a
variation,
but certainly not distracting or confusing.

regards,

Joseph Light

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--=====================_382621613==_.ALT-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SRCL is up Date: 13 May 2001 10:50:09 EDT Earl: Nice point-I'm glad you brought this analysis-on-a-chart's-volume back to my attention. I've been wondering how/why to use the 50 day U/D volume (it's in DG-Online). Your observation about looking at the LLUR's up volume vs. down volume during the resting phase of the LLUR seems to me as if that chart-tracking-info was made for the U/D statistic. I also believe it can/should be used in tandem with A/D. A/D points out whether the big-boys are accumulating or distributing the stock. But a divergence in the ratings of A/D (eg. a "D"), while the U/D volume had not collapsed to below 1, indicates to me that there is strength in the stock (and that the stock is slowly being accumulated-even though its U/D rating hasn't yet affected A/D). jans In a message dated 5/11/2001 6:36:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esetser@covad.net writes: << If you are buying a pullback on a previous breakout, I don't think you should use the 1.5XADV. If anything, you want to be sure the stock is moving up on good volume days, and the pullback is on lower volume days. That gives the an indication that the stock may be "resting" a bit, but the buyers still look to be outpacing the sellers. I haven't any experience buying pullbacks more than maybe 4 or 5 days later, so I don't have much experience with these. However, it does look like SRCL has had 4 plus days (of 9) on good volume that was well above the volume on the 4 down days in this timeframe. I would consider that bullish. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] junk mail Date: 13 May 2001 11:00:59 EDT Ann: I am-and I certainly don't mean the Canslim E-mailers. I segregated my Canslim list from my other E-mail a couple months ago, using an AOL filter. I don't know why I'm getting Spammed at this address; I haven't given the address out to anyone but my brother. jans In a message dated 5/12/2001 9:07:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, annholly@mediaone.net writes: << Is anyone else getting junk mail the last few days? Ann >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 13 May 2001 11:08:02 EDT Ann: Very good reason why I rarely open any downloads-even from Canslimmers. Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful info in the graphs or data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is whether the files that are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected. And I'm afraid that the virus or trojan will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or that I will forget to use Norton to scan it before opening. jans In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, annholly@mediaone.net writes: << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail. The virus was something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy virgin.scr in my TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to Norton/Symantec. Watch out. I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned before mailing this) Ann >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] daily vs weekly charts Date: 13 May 2001 11:16:41 EDT Tracie: To add to Tom's points: I believe WON stresses weekly's, besides daily chart analysis, because in weekly's you will get better volume-perspective. For instance, the daily may show a stock breaking out-but the volume during that day isn't much. However, on the weekly, it will show you volume for all that BO week -and the weekly volume (after the day's BO volume of perhaps 125% ADV) may show 3 or 4 times normal weekly volume. jans In a message dated 5/12/2001 12:48:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Hi Tracie, You use a weekly chart just like a daily chart, but the difference is that the weekly compresses the data and smoothes the daily fluctuations and variations so that you get a smoother chart. It is also giving you a longer time frame overall, so you may see a different picture than if you only looked at 12 months. This could be most important as the past 12 months have been very miserable for so many stocks. Looking at a three or five year chart may help keep things in perspective. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Oken To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 11:09 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] daily vs weekly charts Excuse the fundamental question on charts but I would like to understand how to use the weekly charts to identify bullish CANSLIM patterns. I understand the daily views, looking for B/O and volume, etc., but don't understand how I can use the weekly charts. Am I looking for a general uptrend? Thanks, Tracie -------------------- >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] daily vs weekly charts Date: 13 May 2001 11:28:59 EDT Tracie: This past week or so, IBD has written about weekly vs. daily charts. Here is what WON said in WON answers (on the IBD site): Price-and-volume charts can also be great tools for tracking the big boys' moves. Watch for large price spikes on heavy volume. Although these show up on a daily chart, they are even clearer on a weekly chart. Because of their size, large investors often move into or out of a stock gradually to avoid driving the price up or down too quickly. Here is Investors Corner: Investor's Corner Wednesday, May 9, 2001: Check Breakout's Strength Via Weekly Chart By Jonah Keri Investor's Business Daily Day traders look for even the faintest clues. A blip up one minute. A slip down the next. It's a risky business. A stock's action by the minute or hour may paint a misleading picture. Astute traders focus on daily stock charts for a clearer look at a stock's move. The shrewdest investors go further. To get the big picture, they zoom in on weekly charts. IBD's investors.com Web site now offers weekly charts in addition to daily charts, both free to subscribers. The charts show nearly two years' worth of data. "(Weekly charts) allow you to eliminate a lot of the noise associated with the daily trading of a stock," said Tim Truebenbach, who heads the True Capital Partners hedge fund. "On a daily chart, you can get volatile price fluctuations as a base is formed. Weekly bars consolidate those fluctuations a little better." Weekly charts also provide a fuller snapshot of a stock's history. A slew of stocks inching toward 52-week highs may still be well shy of their all-time highs. That's because they reached those peaks in March 2000, when the market last topped. Most daily charts can't fit enough data on a page to track a stock that far back. Weekly charts offer other pluses. [Moreover,] Institutions often take several weeks or months to build full positions in a stock. Brisk-volume weeks that end with a stock closing in the upper half of its price range often signal heavy buying by the big boys. When a stock breaks out of a sound base and heads for new highs, weekly charts can also serve as solid confirmations. Getting a big intraday volume spike as your stock zooms out of its base is always a plus. But when weekly volume exceeds most prior weeks, you could have a big winner on your hands. Charlotte Russe's weekly chart painted a bright picture last year. The young-women's apparel chain began a long base in March 2000. It fell 56% from the top of its base to the bottom normal for a growth stock. The stock bounced off its low and began moving sideways for a few months. In late November, it shot up on brisk trade but pulled back. It needed more time to shake out the last weak holders before taking off. After nearly three weeks of thin trade, the stock gapped up and out of its base on huge trade on Jan. 4 this year. It then flashed three down days in a row. Those who bought near the top of the breakout day were close to having to sell for a 7% to 8% loss. But a look at the weekly chart would have set your mind at ease. The breakout week showed volume miles above the prior two weeks. It was also one of the heaviest periods ever. Volume was above average the next week, setting off a huge run for Charlotte Russe. It's doubled in the last four months. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 13 May 2001 09:51:47 -0600 Tom, there was a note in yesterday's IBD (Big Picture)that talks about small caps leading right now. As you probably know, they feature a chart on that page that shows big cap vs. small cap performance. The chart has shows small cap leadership for the last 4 or 5 weeks. Here is an excerpt from the Big Picture: "Most of these leaders' names probably wouldn't brew up instant conversation at the dinner table. That's because they're mainly small-cap stocks, as evidenced by the "Big-Cap Growth Funds vs. Small-ap Growth Funds' chart. Since mid-April, the graph has headed downward, meaning the market has favored issues with market caps of around $1 Billion or less. ... They (small caps) are the reason both exchanges are seeing a lot more new highs than new lows these days." At 07:38 AM 5/13/01 -0400, you wrote: > Thanks, Steve, nice to hear that he thinks the bear is back in the >cave, even if he didn't favor a return to small caps. At least he didn't >exclude them! Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve F > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 6:53 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar > The only interesting note on the size of companies was that all >stocks should be considered, including the big caps. He reiterated >those comments yesterday. <> wrote: > > > > > Hi Steve, and thanks for the offer > > by the Great Guru regarding whether we are now in a bull >market, or just a rally in a continuing bear mkt? > > Any comments on small cap stocks? > > Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:06 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar > > > It was the major focus of the segment of correct >selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals. > Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps > should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they >have lead the recent rallys. > If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to > ask. > Steve > > > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? > > > Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 13 May 2001 08:58:31 -0700 I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc associated with a jpg, gif, or bmp file. Has anyone? Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > Ann: > > Very good reason why I rarely open any downloads-even from Canslimmers. > Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful info in the graphs or > data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is whether the files that > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected. And I'm afraid that the virus or trojan > will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or that I will forget to > use Norton to scan it before opening. > > jans > > In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > annholly@mediaone.net writes: > > << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail. The virus > was > something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy virgin.scr in my > TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to Norton/Symantec. Watch out. > I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned before mailing > this) > > Ann >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Date: 13 May 2001 15:35:42 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0DBC2.5F8405C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Geeez, Danny, what do you want me to do? Tell you the day and the exact = hour to buy it? Maybe buy it for you and gift it over? Come on, I think = I already do enough for this group, without having to also present "buy = now" candidates! I posted on this one as it appeared to me to meet = virtually anyone's requirements for a CANSLIM quality stock worth = WATCHING. Note the operative word is "watching", that means you gotta do = some of the work yourself. Next time I see one like this, I'll not bother to mention it. Or just = buy it for myself. But note, I clearly stated that I would not be buying = it for myself, nor was suggesting any member of this group should rush = out and buy it. If you did, that was your choice. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dannygottlieb=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com ; CANSLIM=20 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Tom, this is to refresh your memory.Still waiting for it to pop. Danny ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? I stopped my review long enough to post this, IGT looks to me to be = about as good as it gets, even in a good "M". RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow $2.67 compared to last year's = earnings of $1.81 Group A, GRS 96, 5 year earnings growth a weak 20%, but forecast for = present year is 50% (recently increased) and next year 11% (also = recently increased) Funds have 21%, management 7% A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its group (Leisure - = Gaming) Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern from last Sept to = 3/7/01, when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had not traded = measurably under its 50 dma. On 3/19 it dropped sharply below its 50 = dma, anyone who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have exited then, = if not sooner using trailing stops (it's close that day was over 16% = below the high of 3/7). Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which at its low had given up = 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of the bottom of the = cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking in the bottom of the = cup is any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume remained close to or = above ADV, suggesting institutional support. It looks like it started a = handle at 55, then broke out briefly just under the high. May be simply = a continuation of the handle, but upward due recent improvement in = market sentiment. Or it may be doing a base on base. Either way, volume = is now declining,=20 Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 month chart. I am not saying members should rush out and buy this one. I won't, = because it's well above my price range. I do think this stock is worth = studying for learning purposes, and following for some time to see how = it does from here. For some members, it should be on your watch list. Opinions and comments welcomed, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0DBC2.5F8405C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Geeez, Danny, what do you want me to do? Tell you = the day and=20 the exact hour to buy it? Maybe buy it for you and gift it over? Come = on, I=20 think I already do enough for this group, without having to also present = "buy=20 now" candidates!  I posted on this one as it appeared to me to meet = virtually anyone's requirements for a CANSLIM quality stock worth = WATCHING. Note=20 the operative word is "watching", that means you gotta do some of the = work=20 yourself.
 
Next time I see one like this, I'll not bother to = mention it.=20 Or just buy it for myself. But note, I clearly stated that I would not = be buying=20 it for myself, nor was suggesting any member of this group should rush = out and=20 buy it. If you did, that was your choice.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 dannygottlieb
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com ; CANSLIM=20
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 = 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a = "perfect"=20 CANSLIM??

Tom, this is to refresh your = memory.Still waiting=20 for it to pop. Danny
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM=20
Sent: Saturday, April 28, = 2001 12:09=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a = "perfect"=20 CANSLIM??

I stopped my review long enough to post this, = IGT looks to=20 me to be about as good as it gets, even in a good "M".
 
RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow $2.67 = compared=20 to last year's earnings of $1.81
 
Group A, GRS 96, 5 year = earnings=20 growth a weak 20%, but forecast for present year is = 50%=20 (recently increased) and next year 11%=20 (also recently increased)
 
Funds have 21%, management 7%
 
A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its = group=20 (Leisure - Gaming)
 
Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern from = last Sept=20 to 3/7/01, when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had not = traded=20 measurably under its 50 dma.  On 3/19 it dropped sharply below = its 50=20 dma, anyone who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have exited = then, if=20 not sooner using trailing stops (it's close that day was over 16% = below the=20 high of 3/7).
 
Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which at = its low=20 had given up 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of the = bottom=20 of the cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking in the = bottom of=20 the cup is any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume remained = close to or=20 above ADV, suggesting institutional support. It looks like it = started a=20 handle at 55, then broke out briefly just under the high. May be = simply a=20 continuation of the handle, but upward due recent improvement in = market=20 sentiment. Or it may be doing a base on base. Either way, volume is = now=20 declining,
 
Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 = month=20 chart.
 
I am not saying members should rush out and buy = this one.=20 I won't, because it's well above my price range. I do think this = stock is=20 worth studying for learning purposes, and following for some time to = see how=20 it does from here.  For some members, it should be on your = watch=20 list.
 
Opinions and comments welcomed,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C0DBC2.5F8405C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Date: 13 May 2001 14:59:57 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0211_01C0DBBD.600ADB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, please do you not stop or modify what you're doing for us. I really = do appreciate knowing what you're watching because it forces me to try = and see what you're seeing. I'm not always successful but I'm getting = better at it. Thanks for your excellent posts! Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Geeez, Danny, what do you want me to do? Tell you the day and the = exact hour to buy it? Maybe buy it for you and gift it over? Come on, I = think I already do enough for this group, without having to also present = "buy now" candidates! I posted on this one as it appeared to me to meet = virtually anyone's requirements for a CANSLIM quality stock worth = WATCHING. Note the operative word is "watching", that means you gotta do = some of the work yourself. Next time I see one like this, I'll not bother to mention it. Or just = buy it for myself. But note, I clearly stated that I would not be buying = it for myself, nor was suggesting any member of this group should rush = out and buy it. If you did, that was your choice. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dannygottlieb=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com ; CANSLIM=20 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Tom, this is to refresh your memory.Still waiting for it to pop. = Danny ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? I stopped my review long enough to post this, IGT looks to me to = be about as good as it gets, even in a good "M". RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow $2.67 compared to last year's = earnings of $1.81 Group A, GRS 96, 5 year earnings growth a weak 20%, but forecast = for present year is 50% (recently increased) and next year 11% (also = recently increased) Funds have 21%, management 7% A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its group (Leisure - = Gaming) Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern from last Sept to = 3/7/01, when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had not traded = measurably under its 50 dma. On 3/19 it dropped sharply below its 50 = dma, anyone who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have exited then, = if not sooner using trailing stops (it's close that day was over 16% = below the high of 3/7). Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which at its low had given = up 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of the bottom of the = cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking in the bottom of the = cup is any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume remained close to or = above ADV, suggesting institutional support. It looks like it started a = handle at 55, then broke out briefly just under the high. May be simply = a continuation of the handle, but upward due recent improvement in = market sentiment. Or it may be doing a base on base. Either way, volume = is now declining,=20 Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 month chart. I am not saying members should rush out and buy this one. I won't, = because it's well above my price range. I do think this stock is worth = studying for learning purposes, and following for some time to see how = it does from here. For some members, it should be on your watch list. Opinions and comments welcomed, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_0211_01C0DBBD.600ADB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom, please do you not stop or modify = what=20 you're doing for us. I really do appreciate knowing what you're watching = because=20 it forces me to try and see what you're seeing. I'm not always = successful but=20 I'm getting better at it.
 
Thanks for your excellent=20 posts!
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:35 = PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a = "perfect"=20 CANSLIM??

Geeez, Danny, what do you want me to do? Tell you = the day=20 and the exact hour to buy it? Maybe buy it for you and gift it over? = Come on,=20 I think I already do enough for this group, without having to also = present=20 "buy now" candidates!  I posted on this one as it appeared to me = to meet=20 virtually anyone's requirements for a CANSLIM quality stock worth = WATCHING.=20 Note the operative word is "watching", that means you gotta do some of = the=20 work yourself.
 
Next time I see one like this, I'll not bother to = mention=20 it. Or just buy it for myself. But note, I clearly stated that I would = not be=20 buying it for myself, nor was suggesting any member of this group = should rush=20 out and buy it. If you did, that was your choice.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 dannygottlieb
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= ; CANSLIM=20
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 = 10:31=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - = a=20 "perfect" CANSLIM??

Tom, this is to refresh your = memory.Still=20 waiting for it to pop. Danny
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, April 28, = 2001 12:09=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a = "perfect"=20 CANSLIM??

I stopped my review long enough to post this, = IGT looks=20 to me to be about as good as it gets, even in a good = "M".
 
RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow = $2.67 compared=20 to last year's earnings of $1.81
 
Group A, GRS 96, 5 year = earnings=20 growth a weak 20%, but forecast for present year is = 50%=20 (recently increased) and next year 11%=20 (also recently increased)
 
Funds have 21%, management 7%
 
A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its = group=20 (Leisure - Gaming)
 
Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern = from last=20 Sept to 3/7/01, when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had = not=20 traded measurably under its 50 dma.  On 3/19 it dropped = sharply below=20 its 50 dma, anyone who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have = exited=20 then, if not sooner using trailing stops (it's close that day was = over 16%=20 below the high of 3/7).
 
Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which = at its low=20 had given up 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of = the=20 bottom of the cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking = in the=20 bottom of the cup is any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume = remained=20 close to or above ADV, suggesting institutional support. It looks = like it=20 started a handle at 55, then broke out briefly just under the = high. May be=20 simply a continuation of the handle, but upward due recent = improvement in=20 market sentiment. Or it may be doing a base on base. Either way, = volume is=20 now declining,
 
Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 = month=20 chart.
 
I am not saying members should rush out and = buy this=20 one. I won't, because it's well above my price range. I do think = this=20 stock is worth studying for learning purposes, and following for = some time=20 to see how it does from here.  For some members, it should be = on your=20 watch list.
 
Opinions and comments welcomed,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0211_01C0DBBD.600ADB40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Date: 13 May 2001 15:34:43 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C0DBC2.3BD00200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, I didn't get that Danny wanted you to time his buys. I think maybe he = was just tossing IGT out there as something you mentioned and he is = watching closely. I do that with nearly every stock mentioned here. = Maybe it was on his watch list before you mentioned it? And I suspect = several of the lurkers are doing the same as Danny, waiting. Keep up the good work! This forum is most educational for this CANSLIM = newbie. Norman Boyd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Geeez, Danny, what do you want me to do? Tell you the day and the = exact hour to buy it? Maybe buy it for you and gift it over? Come on, I = think I already do enough for this group, without having to also present = "buy now" candidates! I posted on this one as it appeared to me to meet = virtually anyone's requirements for a CANSLIM quality stock worth = WATCHING. Note the operative word is "watching", that means you gotta do = some of the work yourself. Next time I see one like this, I'll not bother to mention it. Or just = buy it for myself. But note, I clearly stated that I would not be buying = it for myself, nor was suggesting any member of this group should rush = out and buy it. If you did, that was your choice. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dannygottlieb=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com ; CANSLIM=20 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Tom, this is to refresh your memory.Still waiting for it to pop. = Danny ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? I stopped my review long enough to post this, IGT looks to me to = be about as good as it gets, even in a good "M". RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow $2.67 compared to last year's = earnings of $1.81 Group A, GRS 96, 5 year earnings growth a weak 20%, but forecast = for present year is 50% (recently increased) and next year 11% (also = recently increased) Funds have 21%, management 7% A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its group (Leisure - = Gaming) Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern from last Sept to = 3/7/01, when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had not traded = measurably under its 50 dma. On 3/19 it dropped sharply below its 50 = dma, anyone who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have exited then, = if not sooner using trailing stops (it's close that day was over 16% = below the high of 3/7). Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which at its low had given = up 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of the bottom of the = cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking in the bottom of the = cup is any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume remained close to or = above ADV, suggesting institutional support. It looks like it started a = handle at 55, then broke out briefly just under the high. May be simply = a continuation of the handle, but upward due recent improvement in = market sentiment. Or it may be doing a base on base. Either way, volume = is now declining,=20 Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 month chart. I am not saying members should rush out and buy this one. I won't, = because it's well above my price range. I do think this stock is worth = studying for learning purposes, and following for some time to see how = it does from here. For some members, it should be on your watch list. Opinions and comments welcomed, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C0DBC2.3BD00200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom,
 
I didn't get that Danny wanted you to time his buys.  I think = maybe he=20 was just tossing IGT out there as something you mentioned and he is = watching=20 closely.  I do that with nearly every stock mentioned here.  = Maybe it=20 was on his watch list before you mentioned it?    And I = suspect=20 several of the lurkers are doing the same as Danny, waiting.
 
Keep up the good work!  This forum is most educational for = this=20 CANSLIM newbie.
 
Norman Boyd
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:35 = PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a = "perfect"=20 CANSLIM??

Geeez, Danny, what do you want me to do? Tell you = the day=20 and the exact hour to buy it? Maybe buy it for you and gift it over? = Come on,=20 I think I already do enough for this group, without having to also = present=20 "buy now" candidates!  I posted on this one as it appeared to me = to meet=20 virtually anyone's requirements for a CANSLIM quality stock worth = WATCHING.=20 Note the operative word is "watching", that means you gotta do some of = the=20 work yourself.
 
Next time I see one like this, I'll not bother to = mention=20 it. Or just buy it for myself. But note, I clearly stated that I would = not be=20 buying it for myself, nor was suggesting any member of this group = should rush=20 out and buy it. If you did, that was your choice.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 dannygottlieb
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= ; CANSLIM=20
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 = 10:31=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - = a=20 "perfect" CANSLIM??

Tom, this is to refresh your = memory.Still=20 waiting for it to pop. Danny
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, April 28, = 2001 12:09=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a = "perfect"=20 CANSLIM??

I stopped my review long enough to post this, = IGT looks=20 to me to be about as good as it gets, even in a good = "M".
 
RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow = $2.67 compared=20 to last year's earnings of $1.81
 
Group A, GRS 96, 5 year = earnings=20 growth a weak 20%, but forecast for present year is = 50%=20 (recently increased) and next year 11%=20 (also recently increased)
 
Funds have 21%, management 7%
 
A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its = group=20 (Leisure - Gaming)
 
Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern = from last=20 Sept to 3/7/01, when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had = not=20 traded measurably under its 50 dma.  On 3/19 it dropped = sharply below=20 its 50 dma, anyone who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have = exited=20 then, if not sooner using trailing stops (it's close that day was = over 16%=20 below the high of 3/7).
 
Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which = at its low=20 had given up 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of = the=20 bottom of the cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking = in the=20 bottom of the cup is any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume = remained=20 close to or above ADV, suggesting institutional support. It looks = like it=20 started a handle at 55, then broke out briefly just under the = high. May be=20 simply a continuation of the handle, but upward due recent = improvement in=20 market sentiment. Or it may be doing a base on base. Either way, = volume is=20 now declining,
 
Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 = month=20 chart.
 
I am not saying members should rush out and = buy this=20 one. I won't, because it's well above my price range. I do think = this=20 stock is worth studying for learning purposes, and following for = some time=20 to see how it does from here.  For some members, it should be = on your=20 watch list.
 
Opinions and comments welcomed,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C0DBC2.3BD00200-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? Date: 13 May 2001 18:00:00 -0700 Tom: Would it be possible to tell me which 3 were the tops in their group? Thank you, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:50 PM > Sorry for the delay in responding, Ian, but the first time I > looked at this chart, I simply couldn't make up my mind, and > figured someone else would jump in. > > Anyway, I am still a little torn on this one. Looks like it is > building a slightly ragged base, now 4 weeks old. Doesn't seem > like there are high expectations (hence the trailing PE of 8) > despite the projected 38% growth in earnings this year. Doesn't > make sense. Funds already have 20%, but that could grow if they > felt good about it. Management has a good stake at 28% of the > issue. ROE weak at 12%, but cash flow good at $3.64 vs last > year's earnings of $2.49. It's not in the top 5 of its group, and > the GRS is only 56, but I suspect it's more crude oil shipping > related than general Transportation-Shipping. > > All in all, I guess I would have to do some homework on this one > before putting it on my watch list. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian > To: > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:16 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? > > > Since I appear to be hung up on shipping companies today, does > anyone have > an opinion on OSG (78 81 C A A)? > > Thanks, > > Ian > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? Date: 13 May 2001 19:23:11 -0600 The answer will depend on your definition of "top 3" of course. DGO provides the top 5 stocks based on RS, but I like the IBD approach of summing the EPS and RS better. Using DGO, and using the sum approach, the top 3 would be: FRONY 78/96 TK 78/88 SJH 74/91 OSG 78/81, this one would be 4th ysing that approach At 06:00 PM 5/13/01 -0700, you wrote: >Tom: > >Would it be possible to tell me which 3 were the tops in their group? > >Thank you, > >Ian > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tom Worley >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:50 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? > > >> Sorry for the delay in responding, Ian, but the first time I >> looked at this chart, I simply couldn't make up my mind, and >> figured someone else would jump in. >> >> Anyway, I am still a little torn on this one. Looks like it is >> building a slightly ragged base, now 4 weeks old. Doesn't seem >> like there are high expectations (hence the trailing PE of 8) >> despite the projected 38% growth in earnings this year. Doesn't >> make sense. Funds already have 20%, but that could grow if they >> felt good about it. Management has a good stake at 28% of the >> issue. ROE weak at 12%, but cash flow good at $3.64 vs last >> year's earnings of $2.49. It's not in the top 5 of its group, and >> the GRS is only 56, but I suspect it's more crude oil shipping >> related than general Transportation-Shipping. >> >> All in all, I guess I would have to do some homework on this one >> before putting it on my watch list. >> >> Tom Worley >> stkguru@netside.net >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ian >> To: >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:16 PM >> Subject: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? >> >> >> Since I appear to be hung up on shipping companies today, does >> anyone have >> an opinion on OSG (78 81 C A A)? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ian >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? Date: 13 May 2001 20:40:37 -0500 Investors.com Stock Checkup has them: EPS-RS-GrpRS-SMR-A/D KEX 87-63-C-A-B FRONY 78-96-C-C-C OSG 78-81-C-A-A NAT 99-82-C-A-D TK 78-88-C-B-D OSG closed just above the pivot Friday on just above average vol. The handle wasn't very good with too much above avg vol. If it continues upward on Monday with greater vol ..... Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:23 PM > The answer will depend on your definition of "top 3" of course. DGO > provides the top 5 stocks based on RS, but I like the IBD approach of > summing the EPS and RS better. Using DGO, and using the sum approach, the > top 3 would be: > > FRONY 78/96 > TK 78/88 > SJH 74/91 > OSG 78/81, this one would be 4th ysing that approach > > At 06:00 PM 5/13/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Tom: > > > >Would it be possible to tell me which 3 were the tops in their group? > > > >Thank you, > > > >Ian > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Tom Worley > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 9:50 PM > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? > > > > > >> Sorry for the delay in responding, Ian, but the first time I > >> looked at this chart, I simply couldn't make up my mind, and > >> figured someone else would jump in. > >> > >> Anyway, I am still a little torn on this one. Looks like it is > >> building a slightly ragged base, now 4 weeks old. Doesn't seem > >> like there are high expectations (hence the trailing PE of 8) > >> despite the projected 38% growth in earnings this year. Doesn't > >> make sense. Funds already have 20%, but that could grow if they > >> felt good about it. Management has a good stake at 28% of the > >> issue. ROE weak at 12%, but cash flow good at $3.64 vs last > >> year's earnings of $2.49. It's not in the top 5 of its group, and > >> the GRS is only 56, but I suspect it's more crude oil shipping > >> related than general Transportation-Shipping. > >> > >> All in all, I guess I would have to do some homework on this one > >> before putting it on my watch list. > >> > >> Tom Worley > >> stkguru@netside.net > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Ian > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:16 PM > >> Subject: [CANSLIM] OSG opinions? > >> > >> > >> Since I appear to be hung up on shipping companies today, does > >> anyone have > >> an opinion on OSG (78 81 C A A)? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Ian > >> > >> > >> - > >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >> > >> > >> > >> - > >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Subject: [CANSLIM] Acc/Dis Numbers Date: 13 May 2001 21:54:57 -0400 Here are the latest acc/dis numbers. The market outlook has improved this past week into a more stable market. Date A B C D E AB/A:E %E Market Posture 5/7/01 913 2622 1088 776 241 63% 4% Market stable 5/8/01 970 2618 1071 772 224 63% 4% Market stable 5/9/01 983 2613 1072 777 214 64% 4% Market stable 5/10/01 1006 2591 1086 763 217 64% 4% Market stable 5/11/01 1043 2579 1072 754 209 64% 4% Market stable 5/14/01 1071 2597 1070 728 202 65% 4% Market stable Spread sheet version Date,A,B,C,D,E,AB/A:E,%E,Market Posture 5/7/01,913,2622,1088,776,241,63%,4%,Market stable 5/8/01,970,2618,1071,772,224,63%,4%,Market stable 5/9/01,983,2613,1072,777,214,64%,4%,Market stable 5/10/01,1006,2591,1086,763,217,64%,4%,Market stable 5/11/01,1043,2579,1072,754,209,64%,4%,Market stable 5/14/01,1071,2597,1070,728,202,65%,4%,Market stable Robert - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 13 May 2001 16:16:30 -0600 >Thanks Jans Good to know those funds have bought IGT. I don't subscribe to IBD so I appreciate you posting that info. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:36 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > >Patrick and Doug, > > Today in IBD in "New Buys of Top-Rated Mutual Funds", IGT is >listed as >having been bought by 17 A+, A, or A- funds that have invested >$215 Million >in it. Now, as I understand the table, these are the funds that >have either >bought or increased their position in the most recent period. I >recall Tom >saying he liked the looks and temper of IGT. Apparently, he is >in good >company. > >jans > > >In a message dated 5/11/2001 4:18:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dzc@qwest.net >writes: > ><< It does look better than it did three weeks ago when it first >appeared it >was > going to prematurely breakout. Seems like a long >handle...three weeks if > you start from that failed breakout. The base from left peak to >the first b/o > attempt is less than 7 weeks. If the 4/26 peak of 57.74 is the >start of the > handle then it's two weeks old. From that point to today it's >decreased > 7 % which isnt bad for a handle. Depth of the cup is about 19%. >The handle > is dipping ever so close to the 50dma. I'm hoping it finally >breaks out > next week. I'm getting impatient. > > At 01:14 PM 5/11/01 -0600, you wrote: > >This one was being discussed here a couple weeks ago, so maybe > >someone has an opinion on it. It now looks like the previous > >breakout was premature, and it is now forming a handle, and >could > >be ripe for another breakout from a more completely formed cup > >and handle. Any comments? > > >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... Date: 14 May 2001 00:12:22 -0400 Ian, I see several things in their fiscal year report that would concern me if I was thinking of buying this one. First, their cash position actually dropped, from $77 million to $67 million, if you include the shift of cash from "withdrawal restricted" to unrestricted. Second, their accts receivable increased dramatically, from $2.4 million to $56.2 million. This is a huge percentage of the full year increase in revenues of $71 million. This may be a reflection of business done late in the year, but still troubling. I also note that the cash position would have shrunk even further had they not increased their accts payable from $884K to $14.7 million. I also was surprised to see that they added a major new business activity (sales of cars) without a significant increase in their SG&A. In fact, it declined in the 4th qtr. That is most unusual. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:27 PM ... Have a look at the comparative balance sheets: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010306/0558.html The shareholders equity went from $76 million to $126 million over the year - and the substantial % increase went straight into cash and retained earnings. I cannot find any other company save a few oil & gas plays that have shown this kind of real-not-CSCO-shenanigans-cashflow. (I should point out that their AR dropped $20 million between Dec 31 2000 and their last cc in Februrary - it's lumpiness is related to how they account for ships in transit). The bottom line is that their actual cash position increased by $3/share for the year. I am beginning to suspect that one of the reasons they are lagging so much is that the web 'information' sites appear to have inaccurate data on them. Your '$1.62 cash flow' data appears to be the second example today! However, I won't under-estimate the effect that this poor web data has. It will keep potential investors/traders away. The company clearly needs to shore up their IR/PR. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:36 PM ... > Ian, I'll add a few additional thoughts to all the comments > tonight. > > First, I would be very concerned (unless they reported today) > that they still have not released Q1 data for 2001. Deadline for > the normal 45 days allowed by the SEC is Tuesday, and a company > that goes to the deadline, or needs to file an extension, > suggests one not well managing its finances and cash flow. > > Add to that its cash flow reported by DGO is only $1.62 compared > to last year's earnings of $2.97 would force me to expend a far > greater amount of time and research in studying at least a year's > worth of financial reports at the SEC site to figure out where > their money is going. > > The low trailing PE of 10 (only 0.4X S&P 500 average) suggests a > low expectation. The lack of at least three analysts may be > creating this low expectation, but the bottom line remains what > will cause the expectations to rise? They have been reporting > extremely high double digit growth in both earnings and sales, > yet expectations are so low? Are they inflating their accounting? > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian > To: > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 11:29 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] I believe that ACLNF is about to break out ... > > > I have been wrong on ACLNF before, so take this with a grain of > salt, but > ... > > It seems to me that there is a breakout building here (check the > chart over > the past 14 days - green on 12 of them on strong volume). There > is a > beautiful cup and handle here, with the trigger around $29.40. If > it takes > this out today, I don't see much resistance until last summers > highs > ($35.40). They announced 1st quarter shipping volume (up 122% > over last > year), but haven't announced financials yet. EPS will definitely > NOT be up > 122%, as margins are down a bit, and costs are up. > > THe nice thing is that they are set to earn $4+ this year on > strong 60%+ > growth, so the valuation on a P/E and P/S basis is still > reasonable, IMHO. > > The RS has been absolutely screaming up over the past 6-7 days - > from 48 > early last week to 72 yesterday. > > There is TONS of resistance at $29 - so it should run nicely if > that is > taken out. We'll see. > > Ian > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] institutional and fund activity sites Date: 14 May 2001 00:41:50 -0400 Thanks, Anna, I think that lionshares is either the feed for, or the same as, companysleuth, which has announced it is going subscription. So lionshares may follow. Do you have any experience with the accuracy of data at the Thompson site? Looks interesting, esp on a high volume day. I like the pie graph at the bottom for a particular stock that lets you see the division between retail and institutional activity for the current day and prior month. I checked EPIQ, and it explained a lot when it showed 40% of the prior month volume was institutional. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:19 PM Hi, I think Tom has mentioned that the site he is using to view institutional activity is going to charge a subscription fee. The sites below are free: http://www.lionshares.com/homepageb.cfm http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_overview Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 13 May 2001 23:18:43 -0700 Hello, Yes, I've seen an increased amount of spam and junk since subscribing to this list and many others. I never got around to loading my antivirus software after reformating my hd at Christmas, and I did see the Snow White email, (yes I opened it (dough!!)) mailed to me several times. But nothing bad has happened to my PC. The discussions here prompted me to load my McAfee software....would not load......hmmmm. Subscribed online to a neat self-updating service McAfee sells. Before that, did a free online scan.........found 5 viruses. One of them is on the top 10, sure enough, it described the snow white picture of the email. This is a worm that once gets into a computer via email, will quietly spread via your (my) address book with a dummy return address. This would include anyone on this list, since canslim@lists.xmission.com is in my and your address book. There is an extensive report on this virus in McAfee's library. I don't know if am the original problem or not. Looking back, I received this virus on May 1. The virus is a lot older than that. Been surfing since 1995, never had this happen to me. Goes without saying that anyone on this list should have active, effective antivirus software. If you don't, we are all susceptible to havoc. Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:58 AM > I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc associated with a jpg, > gif, or bmp file. Has anyone? > > Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > > > Ann: > > > > Very good reason why I rarely open any downloads-even from Canslimmers. > > Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful info in the graphs or > > data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is whether the files that > > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected. And I'm afraid that the virus or trojan > > will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or that I will forget to > > use Norton to scan it before opening. > > > > jans > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > annholly@mediaone.net writes: > > > > << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail. The virus > > was > > something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy virgin.scr in my > > TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to Norton/Symantec. Watch out. > > I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned before mailing > > this) > > > > Ann >> > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dannygottlieb" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 14 May 2001 09:52:08 +0200 Dear Tom, all I did was to repost you excellent letter on IGT, after you wrote several days ago that you don't recall what you said earlier about the stock. No reason to attack me in any fashion, just said that I am watching and waiting for the stock to make a move. We all appreciate your postings. For the record, I am not a lurker, just new to the group,although if this is the way canslimers tear each other up, perhaps one is better off "lurking only". Danny ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 4:17 AM > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Date: 14 May 2001 00:06:01 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0DC09.A911B420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well said Gene. Ditto from me, Tom. I miss your updates on the futures = action FWIW. Sounds like a big misunderstanding here to me. Perry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Tom, please do you not stop or modify what you're doing for us. I = really do appreciate knowing what you're watching because it forces me = to try and see what you're seeing. I'm not always successful but I'm = getting better at it. Thanks for your excellent posts! Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Geeez, Danny, what do you want me to do? Tell you the day and the = exact hour to buy it? Maybe buy it for you and gift it over? Come on, I = think I already do enough for this group, without having to also present = "buy now" candidates! I posted on this one as it appeared to me to meet = virtually anyone's requirements for a CANSLIM quality stock worth = WATCHING. Note the operative word is "watching", that means you gotta do = some of the work yourself. Next time I see one like this, I'll not bother to mention it. Or = just buy it for myself. But note, I clearly stated that I would not be = buying it for myself, nor was suggesting any member of this group should = rush out and buy it. If you did, that was your choice. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dannygottlieb=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com ; CANSLIM=20 Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? Tom, this is to refresh your memory.Still waiting for it to pop. = Danny ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - a "perfect" CANSLIM?? I stopped my review long enough to post this, IGT looks to me to = be about as good as it gets, even in a good "M". RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow $2.67 compared to last year's = earnings of $1.81 Group A, GRS 96, 5 year earnings growth a weak 20%, but forecast = for present year is 50% (recently increased) and next year 11% (also = recently increased) Funds have 21%, management 7% A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in its group (Leisure - = Gaming) Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern from last Sept to = 3/7/01, when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had not traded = measurably under its 50 dma. On 3/19 it dropped sharply below its 50 = dma, anyone who had bot and held it as a LLUR should have exited then, = if not sooner using trailing stops (it's close that day was over 16% = below the high of 3/7). Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which at its low had = given up 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. Much of the bottom = of the cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking in the bottom = of the cup is any evidence of capitulation selling. Volume remained = close to or above ADV, suggesting institutional support. It looks like = it started a handle at 55, then broke out briefly just under the high. = May be simply a continuation of the handle, but upward due recent = improvement in market sentiment. Or it may be doing a base on base. = Either way, volume is now declining,=20 Please note: I did not look beyond the 6 month chart. I am not saying members should rush out and buy this one. I = won't, because it's well above my price range. I do think this stock is = worth studying for learning purposes, and following for some time to see = how it does from here. For some members, it should be on your watch = list. Opinions and comments welcomed, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0DC09.A911B420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well said Gene.  Ditto from me, Tom.  I = miss your=20 updates on the futures action FWIW.  Sounds like a big = misunderstanding=20 here to me.
 
Perry
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 = 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - a = "perfect"=20 CANSLIM??

Tom, please do you not stop or = modify what=20 you're doing for us. I really do appreciate knowing what you're = watching=20 because it forces me to try and see what you're seeing. I'm not always = successful but I'm getting better at it.
 
Thanks for your excellent=20 posts!
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 = 2:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT - = a=20 "perfect" CANSLIM??

Geeez, Danny, what do you want me to do? Tell = you the day=20 and the exact hour to buy it? Maybe buy it for you and gift it over? = Come=20 on, I think I already do enough for this group, without having to = also=20 present "buy now" candidates!  I posted on this one as it = appeared to=20 me to meet virtually anyone's requirements for a CANSLIM quality = stock worth=20 WATCHING. Note the operative word is "watching", that means you = gotta do=20 some of the work yourself.
 
Next time I see one like this, I'll not bother = to mention=20 it. Or just buy it for myself. But note, I clearly stated that I = would not=20 be buying it for myself, nor was suggesting any member of this group = should=20 rush out and buy it. If you did, that was your choice.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 dannygottlieb
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= ;=20 CANSLIM
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 = 10:31=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT = - a=20 "perfect" CANSLIM??

Tom, this is to refresh your = memory.Still=20 waiting for it to pop. Danny
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, April 28, = 2001=20 12:09 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT - = a=20 "perfect" CANSLIM??

I stopped my review long enough to post = this, IGT=20 looks to me to be about as good as it gets, even in a good=20 "M".
 
RS 96, EPS 97, ROE 82%, Cash Flow = $2.67=20 compared to last year's earnings of $1.81
 
Group A, GRS 96, 5 = year earnings=20 growth a weak 20%, but forecast for present year = is 50%=20 (recently increased) and next year 11%=20 (also recently increased)
 
Funds have 21%, management 7%
 
A/D B, Timeliness A, SMR A, ranked 4th in = its group=20 (Leisure - Gaming)
 
Chart wise, shows a nice tight LLUR pattern = from last=20 Sept to 3/7/01, when it peaked at 57.25. Up to that point it had = not=20 traded measurably under its 50 dma.  On 3/19 it dropped = sharply=20 below its 50 dma, anyone who had bot and held it as a LLUR = should have=20 exited then, if not sooner using trailing stops (it's close that = day was=20 over 16% below the high of 3/7).
 
Since then, it has formed a smooth cup which = at its=20 low had given up 42% of the gains from late Sep to the high. = Much of the=20 bottom of the cup only gave up 25% of this gain. What is lacking = in the=20 bottom of the cup is any evidence of capitulation selling. = Volume=20 remained close to or above ADV, suggesting institutional = support. It=20 looks like it started a handle at 55, then broke out briefly = just under=20 the high. May be simply a continuation of the handle, but upward = due=20 recent improvement in market sentiment. Or it may be doing a = base on=20 base. Either way, volume is now declining,
 
Please note: I did not look beyond = the 6 month=20 chart.
 
I am not saying members should rush out and = buy this=20 one. I won't, because it's well above my price range. I do think = this=20 stock is worth studying for learning purposes, and following for = some=20 time to see how it does from here.  For some members, it = should be=20 on your watch list.
 
Opinions and comments welcomed,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0DC09.A911B420-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 14 May 2001 07:23:49 -0400 I believe that my Norton Antivirus software "quarantined" the virus. Then I sent it (an option in the software) back to the Symantec website for analysis. I performed a virus scan and seem to be virus-(worm) free. Hope and trust that I didn't send it to anyone. Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:18 AM > Hello, > > Yes, I've seen an increased amount of spam and junk since subscribing to > this list and many others. I never got around to loading my antivirus > software after reformating my hd at Christmas, and I did see the Snow White > email, (yes I opened it (dough!!)) mailed to me several times. But nothing > bad has happened to my PC. > > The discussions here prompted me to load my McAfee software....would not > load......hmmmm. > > Subscribed online to a neat self-updating service McAfee sells. Before > that, did a free online scan.........found 5 viruses. One of them is on the > top 10, sure enough, it described the snow white picture of the email. > > This is a worm that once gets into a computer via email, will quietly spread > via your (my) address book with a dummy return address. This would include > anyone on this list, since canslim@lists.xmission.com is in my and your > address book. There is an extensive report on this virus in McAfee's > library. > > I don't know if am the original problem or not. Looking back, I received > this virus on May 1. The virus is a lot older than that. > Been surfing since 1995, never had this happen to me. > > Goes without saying that anyone on this list should have active, effective > antivirus software. If you don't, we are all susceptible to havoc. > > Perry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc associated with a > jpg, > > gif, or bmp file. Has anyone? > > > > Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Ann: > > > > > > Very good reason why I rarely open any downloads-even from > Canslimmers. > > > Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful info in the > graphs or > > > data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is whether the files > that > > > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected. And I'm afraid that the virus or > trojan > > > will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or that I will > forget to > > > use Norton to scan it before opening. > > > > > > jans > > > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > annholly@mediaone.net writes: > > > > > > << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail. The > virus > > > was > > > something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy virgin.scr in > my > > > TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to Norton/Symantec. Watch > out. > > > I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned before > mailing > > > this) > > > > > > Ann >> > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 14 May 2001 07:22:57 -0400 Sorry, Danny, I'll try to lighten up. Sounded to me like you were holding me responsible for it's failure to break out already. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:52 AM Dear Tom, all I did was to repost you excellent letter on IGT, after you wrote several days ago that you don't recall what you said earlier about the stock. No reason to attack me in any fashion, just said that I am watching and waiting for the stock to make a move. We all appreciate your postings. For the record, I am not a lurker, just new to the group,although if this is the way canslimers tear each other up, perhaps one is better off "lurking only". Danny ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 4:17 AM > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 14 May 2001 06:36:45 -0500 Evidently the virus hasn't been going out to everyone on the list. My up-to-date Norton AV hasn't detected any viruses for months and I have read all the posts from this group. Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:23 AM > I believe that my Norton Antivirus software "quarantined" the virus. Then I > sent it (an option in the software) back to the Symantec website for > analysis. I performed a virus scan and seem to be virus-(worm) free. Hope > and trust that I didn't send it to anyone. > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Perry Stanfield" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:18 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > Hello, > > > > Yes, I've seen an increased amount of spam and junk since subscribing to > > this list and many others. I never got around to loading my antivirus > > software after reformating my hd at Christmas, and I did see the Snow > White > > email, (yes I opened it (dough!!)) mailed to me several times. But > nothing > > bad has happened to my PC. > > > > The discussions here prompted me to load my McAfee software....would not > > load......hmmmm. > > > > Subscribed online to a neat self-updating service McAfee sells. Before > > that, did a free online scan.........found 5 viruses. One of them is on > the > > top 10, sure enough, it described the snow white picture of the email. > > > > This is a worm that once gets into a computer via email, will quietly > spread > > via your (my) address book with a dummy return address. This would > include > > anyone on this list, since canslim@lists.xmission.com is in my and your > > address book. There is an extensive report on this virus in McAfee's > > library. > > > > I don't know if am the original problem or not. Looking back, I received > > this virus on May 1. The virus is a lot older than that. > > Been surfing since 1995, never had this happen to me. > > > > Goes without saying that anyone on this list should have active, effective > > antivirus software. If you don't, we are all susceptible to havoc. > > > > Perry > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > > > > I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc associated with > a > > jpg, > > > gif, or bmp file. Has anyone? > > > > > > Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Ann: > > > > > > > > Very good reason why I rarely open any downloads-even from > > Canslimmers. > > > > Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful info in the > > graphs or > > > > data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is whether the > files > > that > > > > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected. And I'm afraid that the virus or > > trojan > > > > will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or that I will > > forget to > > > > use Norton to scan it before opening. > > > > > > > > jans > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > annholly@mediaone.net writes: > > > > > > > > << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail. The > > virus > > > > was > > > > something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy virgin.scr in > > my > > > > TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to Norton/Symantec. > Watch > > out. > > > > I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned before > > mailing > > > > this) > > > > > > > > Ann >> > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dannygottlieb" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 14 May 2001 14:46:48 +0200 Accepted, Tom. We know the "Force"(canslim) is with you, but we don't hold you liable for what the market does when we apply it. Danny ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:22 PM > Sorry, Danny, I'll try to lighten up. Sounded to me like you were > holding me responsible for it's failure to break out already. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dannygottlieb > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:52 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > Dear Tom, all I did was to repost you excellent letter on IGT, > after you > wrote several days ago that you don't recall what you said > earlier about > the stock. No reason to attack me in any fashion, just said that > I am > watching and waiting for the stock to make a move. We all > appreciate your > postings. For the record, I am not a lurker, just new to the > group,although > if this is the way canslimers tear each other up, perhaps one is > better off > "lurking only". > Danny > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 4:17 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 14 May 2001 07:57:18 -0400 For what it's worth, I think IGT looks even better now than a week ago as volume has declined way under half of ADV, now declined for 4 straight days. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:46 AM Accepted, Tom. We know the "Force"(canslim) is with you, but we don't hold you liable for what the market does when we apply it. Danny ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 1:22 PM > Sorry, Danny, I'll try to lighten up. Sounded to me like you were > holding me responsible for it's failure to break out already. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dannygottlieb > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 3:52 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > Dear Tom, all I did was to repost you excellent letter on IGT, > after you > wrote several days ago that you don't recall what you said > earlier about > the stock. No reason to attack me in any fashion, just said that > I am > watching and waiting for the stock to make a move. We all > appreciate your > postings. For the record, I am not a lurker, just new to the > group,although > if this is the way canslimers tear each other up, perhaps one is > better off > "lurking only". > Danny > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 4:17 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] HSE buyout Date: 14 May 2001 05:08:21 -0700 If this one is on your list, scratch it off. Being bought out. Also HECO, from my last list, is being bot. Looked too flat to be a base, but it didn't make the news until the deal was completed, at least on YHOO. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ made the big-time! / HGS List Date: 14 May 2001 05:26:17 -0700 --=====================_3648135==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Congrats Tom, EPIQ cleared my HGS scan today! In fact, I'm buying it at the open 'cause you said to! Better yet, why don't you gift me your shares! In other news, my HGS scan is attached...hopefully... 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ made the big-time! / HGS List Date: 14 May 2001 08:35:30 -0400 Coincidentally, I just this morning raised my sell stop limit another two bucks. Guess it's time to see if I can borrow some shares, and short it! If I gifted you my shares, you would get them with a ridiculously low cost basis, and I wouldn't want to burden you with the tax liability. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:26 AM Congrats Tom, EPIQ cleared my HGS scan today! In fact, I'm buying it at the open 'cause you said to! Better yet, why don't you gift me your shares! In other news, my HGS scan is attached...hopefully... Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com --------------- Stock,HGS Group,Scan Group,ERG,E,R,G,Curr G Speed,Prev G Speed,A/D,SMR,Growth,Curr Earn,Prev Earn,Curr Sales,Prev Sales,Proj Earn,Ians Box,Group,Exchange,Price,EPS Due,Date Added MTH,2,1,296,98,99,99,0,0,B,A,121,56,55,26,24,13,2,BUILD_RES,NYSE, 49.78,7/27/2001,13-Apr NVR,2,1,296,99,98,99,0,0,B,A,73,49,107,6,23,33,3,BUILD_RES,AMEX,1 92.6,7/25/2001,11-Aug BZH,2,1,295,98,98,99,0,0,A,B,34,88,89,12,18,30,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,6 6.55,7/25/2001,26-Jan HOV,2,1,294,96,99,99,0,0,A,C,24,147,105,14,19,32,7,BUILD_RES,NYSE ,18.76,6/7/2001,9-Mar RYL,2,1,293,98,96,99,0,0,A,B,82,44,59,20,26,16,3,BUILD_RES,NYSE,5 4.05,7/25/2001,20-Apr LEN,2,1,292,99,94,99,0,0,A,A,31,88,67,72,78,29,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,4 3.3,6/20/2001,22-Sep SHFL,1,1,292,96,98,98,1,0,A,A,40,31,69,32,43,23,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD ,27.26,5/22/2001,12-Jan 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: HGS List Date: 14 May 2001 06:10:07 -0700 Whoops, WBB is also being bot. Knew that, forgot it. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 14 May 2001 10:44:06 EDT Ann, Perry, Norman, Dan and Canslimmers everywhere: I am not a computer whiz or guru, but I believe this is correct: Even if you download to your computer from the Net (for exp., in Canslim, if you download a graph or a spreadsheet), so long as you don't OPEN the downloaded file (for exp., if you delete the file before opening it), your computer will not be/get infected. Jeff, if you're familiar with virus-predicaments: Am I correct? In a message dated 5/14/2001 7:37:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, theboyd@tisd.net writes: << Evidently the virus hasn't been going out to everyone on the list. My up-to-date Norton AV hasn't detected any viruses for months and I have read all the posts from this group. Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Hollingworth" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > I believe that my Norton Antivirus software "quarantined" the virus. Then I > sent it (an option in the software) back to the Symantec website for > analysis. I performed a virus scan and seem to be virus-(worm) free. Hope > and trust that I didn't send it to anyone. > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Perry Stanfield" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:18 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > Hello, > > > > Yes, I've seen an increased amount of spam and junk since subscribing to > > this list and many others. I never got around to loading my antivirus > > software after reformating my hd at Christmas, and I did see the Snow > White > > email, (yes I opened it (dough!!)) mailed to me several times. But > nothing > > bad has happened to my PC. > > > > The discussions here prompted me to load my McAfee software....would not > > load......hmmmm. > > > > Subscribed online to a neat self-updating service McAfee sells. Before > > that, did a free online scan.........found 5 viruses. One of them is on > the > > top 10, sure enough, it described the snow white picture of the email. > > > > This is a worm that once gets into a computer via email, will quietly > spread > > via your (my) address book with a dummy return address. This would > include > > anyone on this list, since canslim@lists.xmission.com is in my and your > > address book. There is an extensive report on this virus in McAfee's > > library. > > > > I don't know if am the original problem or not. Looking back, I received > > this virus on May 1. The virus is a lot older than that. > > Been surfing since 1995, never had this happen to me. > > > > Goes without saying that anyone on this list should have active, effective > > antivirus software. If you don't, we are all susceptible to havoc. > > > > Perry > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > > > > I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc associated with > a > > jpg, > > > gif, or bmp file. Has anyone? > > > > > > Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Ann: > > > > > > > > Very good reason why I rarely open any downloads-even from > > Canslimmers. > > > > Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful info in the > > graphs or > > > > data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is whether the > files > > that > > > > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected. And I'm afraid that the virus or > > trojan > > > > will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or that I will > > forget to > > > > use Norton to scan it before opening. > > > > > > > > jans > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > annholly@mediaone.net writes: > > > > > > > > << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail. The > > virus > > > > was > > > > something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy virgin.scr in > > my > > > > TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to Norton/Symantec. > Watch > > out. > > > > I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned before > > mailing > > > > this) > > > > > > > > Ann >> > > > > >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brett Michael Roy" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 14 May 2001 10:17:39 -0500 Correct, just downloading the file is harmless. Also, as I understand, a jpeg or xls or .eml file opened with a standard viewer will NOT infect your machine. The most dangerous are any executables (.bat, .exe, .vbs, etc.) that actually will EXECUTE on your machine and cause major grief.. Brett (list 'lurker' learning about CANSLIM) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:44 AM > Ann, Perry, Norman, Dan and Canslimmers everywhere: > > I am not a computer whiz or guru, but I believe this is correct: Even > if you download to your computer from the Net (for exp., in Canslim, if you > download a graph or a spreadsheet), so long as you don't OPEN the downloaded > file (for exp., if you delete the file before opening it), your computer will > not be/get infected. > > Jeff, if you're familiar with virus-predicaments: Am I correct? > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2001 7:37:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > theboyd@tisd.net writes: > > << Evidently the virus hasn't been going out to everyone on the list. My > up-to-date Norton AV hasn't detected any viruses for months and I have read > all the posts from this group. > > Norman Boyd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Hollingworth" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > I believe that my Norton Antivirus software "quarantined" the virus. Then > I > > sent it (an option in the software) back to the Symantec website for > > analysis. I performed a virus scan and seem to be virus-(worm) free. Hope > > and trust that I didn't send it to anyone. > > Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Perry Stanfield" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Yes, I've seen an increased amount of spam and junk since subscribing to > > > this list and many others. I never got around to loading my antivirus > > > software after reformating my hd at Christmas, and I did see the Snow > > White > > > email, (yes I opened it (dough!!)) mailed to me several times. But > > nothing > > > bad has happened to my PC. > > > > > > The discussions here prompted me to load my McAfee software....would > not > > > load......hmmmm. > > > > > > Subscribed online to a neat self-updating service McAfee sells. Before > > > that, did a free online scan.........found 5 viruses. One of them is on > > the > > > top 10, sure enough, it described the snow white picture of the email. > > > > > > This is a worm that once gets into a computer via email, will quietly > > spread > > > via your (my) address book with a dummy return address. This would > > include > > > anyone on this list, since canslim@lists.xmission.com is in my and your > > > address book. There is an extensive report on this virus in McAfee's > > > library. > > > > > > I don't know if am the original problem or not. Looking back, I > received > > > this virus on May 1. The virus is a lot older than that. > > > Been surfing since 1995, never had this happen to me. > > > > > > Goes without saying that anyone on this list should have active, > effective > > > antivirus software. If you don't, we are all susceptible to havoc. > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dan" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > > > > > > > I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc associated > with > > a > > > jpg, > > > > gif, or bmp file. Has anyone? > > > > > > > > Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ann: > > > > > > > > > > Very good reason why I rarely open any downloads-even from > > > Canslimmers. > > > > > Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful info in the > > > graphs or > > > > > data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is whether the > > files > > > that > > > > > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected. And I'm afraid that the virus or > > > trojan > > > > > will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or that I will > > > forget to > > > > > use Norton to scan it before opening. > > > > > > > > > > jans > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > > annholly@mediaone.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail. > The > > > virus > > > > > was > > > > > something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy virgin.scr > in > > > my > > > > > TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to Norton/Symantec. > > Watch > > > out. > > > > > I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned before > > > mailing > > > > > this) > > > > > > > > > > Ann >> > > > > > >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ made the big-time! / HGS List Date: 14 May 2001 11:20:59 EDT Tim: What criteria do you use in your scan of HGS stocks? I believe you use the HGS site (which site I had lost, and you kindly-a few months ago-directed me to). However, in your use of the of the HGS stocks, what crietria do you use to select them? In a message dated 5/14/2001 8:26:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tim@orerockon.com writes: << Congrats Tom, EPIQ cleared my HGS scan today! In fact, I'm buying it at the open 'cause you said to! Better yet, why don't you gift me your shares! In other news, my HGS scan is attached...hopefully... Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com -------------------- Stock,HGS Group,Scan Group,ERG,E,R,G,Curr G Speed,Prev G Speed,A/D,SMR,Growth,Curr Earn,Prev Earn,Curr Sales,Prev Sales,Proj Earn,Ians Box,Group,Exchange,Price,EPS Due,Date Added MTH,2,1,296,98,99,99,0,0,B,A,121,56,55,26,24,13,2,BUILD_RES,NYSE,49.78,7/27/20 01,13-Apr NVR,2,1,296,99,98,99,0,0,B,A,73,49,107,6,23,33,3,BUILD_RES,AMEX,192.6,7/25/200 1,11-Aug BZH,2,1,295,98,98,99,0,0,A,B,34,88,89,12,18,30,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,66.55,7/25/200 1,26-Jan HOV,2,1,294,96,99,99,0,0,A,C,24,147,105,14,19,32,7,BUILD_RES,NYSE,18.76,6/7/20 01,9-Mar RYL,2,1,293,98,96,99,0,0,A,B,82,44,59,20,26,16,3,BUILD_RES,NYSE,54.05,7/25/200 1,20-Apr LEN,2,1,292,99,94,99,0,0,A,A,31,88,67,72,78,29,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,43.3,6/20/2001 ,22-Sep SHFL,1,1,292,96,98,98,1,0,A,A,40,31,69,32,43,23,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,27.26,5/22/2 001,12-Jan USPH,,1,291,94,99,98,0,0,A,A,20,67,50,23,22,31,8,MED_OUTPAT,NASD,26.15,5/15/20 01,15-Dec WBB,2,1,291,95,97,99,0,0,A,C,21,28,64,-14,-1,14,9,BUILD_RES,NYSE,40.11,7/25/20 01,27-Apr TRR,,1,290,99,99,92,-3,-3,B,B,110,71,73,61,65,66,2,POLUTE_SERVICE,NYSE,36.71,8 /16/2001,4-May PHM,2,1,289,98,92,99,0,0,B,B,44,60,26,7,9,6,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,44.61,7/25/2001,2 3-Mar IGT,1,1,288,97,93,98,1,0,B,A,20,106,113,59,46,42,7,LEIS_GAMES,NYSE,54.11,7/20/ 2001,26-Jan CHBS,1,1,287,98,98,91,3,-3,A,A,75,56,86,50,44,21,2,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,40.18,6/14 /2001,5-Jan CHIC,1,1,287,97,99,91,3,-3,A,A,41,40,52,35,48,33,6,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,34.71,7/13 /2001,13-Apr AEOS,1,1,285,96,98,91,3,-3,B,A,114,33,24,48,27,25,3,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,40.05,5/1 6/2001,30-Mar HOTT,1,1,285,98,96,91,3,-3,B,A,93,33,55,48,50,20,3,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,33.23,5/15 /2001,5-Jan SRCL,,1,285,97,96,92,-3,-3,B,B,67,32,30,10,46,28,3,POLUTE_SERVICE,NASD,44.71,8 /3/2001,23-Mar PVA,,1,284,95,96,93,2,8,B,A,19,88,40,63,60,32,8,ENER_OTH,NYSE,43.99,7/19/2001, 20-Apr RJR,,1,284,94,95,95,-3,0,B,C,61,27,25,2,3,17,3,TOBACCO,NYSE,59.52,7/20/2001,23 -Feb CHS,1,1,283,99,93,91,3,-3,B,A,83,72,87,75,73,27,2,RET_CLOTHES,NYSE,46.1,5/25/2 001,13-Apr CPN,,1,281,99,89,93,2,8,B,A,61,329,200,422,306,66,1,ENER_OTH,NYSE,52.55,7/24/2 001,20-Apr JEC,,1,280,87,96,97,3,4,A,C,16,14,10,15,15,13,10,BUILD_HEAVY,NYSE,69.91,7/18/2 001,27-Apr SGR,,1,280,94,97,89,2,14,B,B,26,27,41,97,178,41,6,METAL_PROCESS,NYSE,57.59,7/7 /2001,27-Apr COCO,1,1,279,99,98,82,4,-3,A,A,177,50,58,49,44,55,2,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,43.5,8/30 /2001,11-May GMCR,2,1,279,95,99,85,9,-20,A,A,35,44,83,25,38,17,6,RETWHL_FOOD,NASD,31.15,5/1 6/2001,11-May JNY,,1,279,98,93,88,0,-2,A,A,31,136,58,5,4,20,4,TEXT_MFGRS,NYSE,45,4/26/2001,9 -Feb CTX,2,1,278,93,86,99,0,0,B,B,30,48,8,15,15,17,6,BUILD_RES,NYSE,42.84,7/25/2001 ,27-Apr EVG,1,1,278,97,96,85,7,12,A,A,37,550,250,345,234,206,4,O&G_USEXPL,NYSE,47.72,8 /8/2001,27-Apr NYCB,1,1,278,98,97,83,0,5,A,A,22,136,50,202,99,40,7,BANK_NE,NASD,33.59,7/12/20 01,4-May PENN,1,1,278,90,90,98,1,0,B,A,25,25,18,102,101,26,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,18.6,7/25/ 2001,4-May PPDI,1,1,277,95,98,84,9,12,B,A,37,107,11,31,17,35,4,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,62.66,7/1 9/2001,11-May KMX,1,4,276,78,99,99,1,0,A,C,NA,999,333,27,15,13,7,RET_MISC,NYSE,13.06,6/16/20 01,11-May ALLY,1,4,275,78,99,98,1,0,A,-,NA,171,180,19,15,NA,7,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,26.05,8/16 /2001,9-Mar ESI,1,1,273,95,96,82,4,-3,A,A,18,25,122,16,21,18,9,COMM_SCHOOL,NYSE,36.95,7/13 /2001,11-May ACF,,2,270,99,96,75,-15,-3,A,A,47,71,58,67,58,58,5,FIN_CONSUMER,NYSE,44.27,8/3 /2001,11-May APOL,1,1,270,98,90,82,4,-3,A,A,36,40,40,22,24,14,6,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,37.03,6/27 /2001,11-May DIAN,1,1,269,96,89,84,9,12,A,B,40,53,47,21,23,39,5,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,40.5,7/21/ 2001,11-May TTI,1,4,269,78,97,94,-1,-1,A,C,NA,600,200,43,40,102,7,O&F_FIELD,NYSE,27.3,7/21 /2001,26-Jan KNGT,,1,267,87,94,86,-2,0,A,A,24,22,13,29,16,18,10,TRANS_TRUCK,NASD,27.54,4/22 /2000,5-Jan SKX,1,2,266,99,98,69,5,-10,B,A,149,137,225,71,72,52,1,SHOES,NYSE,36.35,8/1/200 1,20-Apr STRA,1,1,265,87,96,82,4,-3,A,A,15,14,13,12,8,11,10,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,42.47,7/25 /2001,11-May EDMC,1,1,264,95,87,82,4,-3,B,A,45,25,21,21,19,24,6,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,33.45,8/1/ 2001,11-May KREM,2,2,262,97,92,73,-6,-4,A,A,48,173,35,39,37,25,4,RET_REST,NASD,49.19,5/25/ 2001,27-Apr ATK,1,1,261,84,96,81,-2,-3,B,B,15,14,18,-11,-2,14,10,ELEC_MILITARY,NYSE,97.14, 5/11/2000,26-Jan CEC,2,2,261,94,94,73,-6,-4,B,A,59,29,14,15,13,29,3,RET_REST,NYSE,49.98,7/18/20 01,27-Apr EPIQ,1,2,261,99,99,63,27,32,A,A,61,27,140,43,69,30,3,COMPS_FIN,NASD,27.85,7/25 /2001,11-May FED,,2,260,96,93,71,-2,0,B,A,38,43,34,24,23,22,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,30.79,7/27/2001, 20-Apr HSIC,1,2,260,94,96,70,-14,-8,B,C,206,37,18,7,4,15,3,MEDDEN_SUPP,NASD,38.75,5/1 /2001,4-May UCOR,1,4,259,76,99,84,9,12,A,C,-10,200,999,29,39,-,7,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,15.39,7/ 25/2001,4-May BPFH,1,1,258,80,95,83,0,5,A,A,18,40,-17,-*,56,16,9,BANK_NE,NASD,20.95,7/20/200 1,4-May FLIR,1,4,258,78,99,81,-2,-3,A,E,NA,200,112,38,19,NA,7,ELEC_MILITARY,NASD,14.4, 8/15/2001,27-Apr XTO,1,4,258,78,95,85,7,12,B,A,NA,342,763,120,85,115,7,O&G_USEXPL,NYSE,28,7/25/ 2001,4-May FDS,1,2,257,99,80,78,-1,1,A,A,39,33,38,32,35,28,6,COMM_MISC,NYSE,38.8,6/13/200 1,11-May GCO,1,2,257,93,95,69,5,-10,B,A,20,31,44,28,26,17,9,SHOES,NYSE,29.56,5/23/2001, 20-Apr QUIX,,2,257,95,97,65,-1,0,A,A,38,28,31,13,25,21,6,DIVERSITY,NASD,28.61,8/15/20 01,23-Feb APPB,2,2,256,93,90,73,-6,-4,B,A,18,21,13,13,5,14,10,RET_REST,NASD,42.89,4/26/2 001,27-Apr DME,,2,256,90,95,71,-2,0,B,A,30,29,5,21,14,15,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,34.48,7/12/2001,2 0-Apr POG,1,4,254,78,91,85,7,12,B,A,NA,110,171,69,47,24,7,O&G_USEXPL,NYSE,27.86,4/25 /2001,20-Apr WM,,2,254,93,90,71,-2,0,C,A,38,39,18,25,16,28,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,53,7/19/2001,20-A pr DORL,,2,253,96,97,60,2,-7,B,A,27,33,23,-,32,21,6,FIN_MORTSVCS,NASD,30.77,7/12/ 2001,11-May FLGS,,2,252,85,96,71,-2,0,B,A,15,183,2,-,44,33,7,FIN_S&L,NASD,24.75,7/19/2001, 27-Apr HRB,1,2,252,80,94,78,-1,1,A,A,16,186,NA,29,73,10,7,COMM_MISC,NYSE,56.05,6/21/2 001,11-May TTEN,1,4,251,78,88,85,7,12,C,A,NA,978,338,311,374,34,7,O&G_USEXPL,NASD,17.5,5/ 17/2001,27-Apr ESA,,2,249,99,86,64,-1,3,C,B,66,42,50,18,22,18,3,LEIS_HOTEL,NYSE,16.93,7/25/20 01,4-May IMA,1,4,247,78,98,71,10,-1,B,C,NA,150,633,36,35,30,7,COSMETIC,AMEX,35.34,7/25/ 2001,11-May PCP,,2,246,94,90,62,4,4,A,B,18,36,64,14,43,17,9,AERO_DEF_EQ,NYSE,44.45,7/20/20 01,11-May >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HSE buyout Date: 14 May 2001 11:25:40 EDT Tim: Where in Yahoo do you find buyout information? If possible, can you send the URL? jans In a message dated 5/14/2001 8:20:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tim@orerockon.com writes: << If this one is on your list, scratch it off. Being bought out. Also HECO, from my last list, is being bot. Looked too flat to be a base, but it didn't make the news until the deal was completed, at least on YHOO. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 14 May 2001 08:43:29 -0700 Thank you, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HSE buyout Date: 14 May 2001 08:43:19 -0700 Here's the url:" http://members.aol.com/~ranord/reports/PUBSTKA.HTM On 08:25 AM 5/14/01, Spencer48@aol.com Said: >Tim: > > Where in Yahoo do you find buyout information? If possible, can you >send the URL? > > >jans > > > >In a message dated 5/14/2001 8:20:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >tim@orerockon.com writes: > ><< If this one is on your list, scratch it off. Being bought out. Also HECO, > from my last list, is being bot. Looked too flat to be a base, but it > didn't make the news until the deal was completed, at least on YHOO. >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HSE buyout Date: 14 May 2001 08:44:56 -0700 Whoops, replied to the wrong message. Anyway that was for the HGS scan, there are at least 10 headlines on YHOO re: the HSE buyout this AM. On 08:25 AM 5/14/01, Spencer48@aol.com Said: >Tim: > > Where in Yahoo do you find buyout information? If possible, can you >send the URL? > > >jans > > > >In a message dated 5/14/2001 8:20:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >tim@orerockon.com writes: > ><< If this one is on your list, scratch it off. Being bought out. Also HECO, > from my last list, is being bot. Looked too flat to be a base, but it > didn't make the news until the deal was completed, at least on YHOO. >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] POG B/O Date: 14 May 2001 08:58:41 -0700 Breaking out this AM on hvy vol from a double bottom, not the best chart (second bottom shallower than the first), pivot 28.13, extended now but may come back in range (29.53). Discl: I'm in. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 14 May 2001 12:12:24 EDT Ian: It's a beautiful looking chart with nice Canslim fundamentals. How do you find them? As far as its chart goes: Its broken out of its Feb. to today C&H base on high volume. The 50DMA is < the rising 200DMA, but it looks like it's going to pentrate shortly. It had a nice 2 week handle where volume was < ADV (it should, though, be smaller). However, the 52 week hi is at around 24, which is only 1.50 away. Also, 50 day U/D volume (it's a stat DG keeps) is only 1.1-this where the A/D is "B". In my opinion, U/D should be higher. Moreover, the Dow seems to be dawdling a couple hundred points above its 200DMA. This dawdling could give WMS time to be a base on a base with smaller volume. Then it should break out (if it truly is a leader) on high volume. I believe WMS will hit resistance at 24, and then if the Mkt pans out (by panning out I mean a follow through day above the Market's 200 of about a 1% Mkt increase on high volume), then WMS will break resistance, if it is a leader. I'd add that ROC (I use a 13 period for the Weekly) appears to be in a weak divergence with the stock's top in February-this would lead me to wait till I see how it does at the 52 week high (I put high significance in ROC, esp. when the stock is BO or is in a handle). jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 14 May 2001 09:56:16 -0700 Excuse my ignorance ... but what is ROC? Thanks, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:12 AM > Ian: > > It's a beautiful looking chart with nice Canslim fundamentals. How do > you find them? > > As far as its chart goes: Its broken out of its Feb. to today C&H base > on high volume. The 50DMA is < the rising 200DMA, but it looks like it's > going to pentrate shortly. It had a nice 2 week handle where volume was < > ADV (it should, though, be smaller). However, the 52 week hi is at around > 24, which is only 1.50 away. Also, 50 day U/D volume (it's a stat DG keeps) > is only 1.1-this where the A/D is "B". In my opinion, U/D should be higher. > Moreover, the Dow seems to be dawdling a couple hundred points above its > 200DMA. This dawdling could give WMS time to be a base on a base with > smaller volume. Then it should break out (if it truly is a leader) on high > volume. > > I believe WMS will hit resistance at 24, and then if the Mkt pans out > (by panning out I mean a follow through day above the Market's 200 of about > a 1% Mkt increase on high volume), then WMS will break resistance, if it is a > leader. I'd add that ROC (I use a 13 period for the Weekly) appears to be in > a weak divergence with the stock's top in February-this would lead me to wait > till I see how it does at the 52 week high (I put high significance in ROC, > esp. when the stock is BO or is in a handle). > > jans > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 14 May 2001 12:58:29 EDT Ian: ROC is the Rate of Change of the stock. I used a 13 week ROC. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] institutional and fund activity sites Date: 14 May 2001 13:53:17 -0400 I cannot say whether the data is accurate. I have used it and often it does explain certain weaknesses/strengths in a stock. I have seen it show no institutional activity in the pie chart at the bottom, but yet they showed strong institutional buys in the line chart of a stock. This does not make sense to me, but so far I have deferred this to my own ignorance. On the positive side, recently I have looked at IRL discussion forum (QP site pointed out by Tim) and there they have mentioned Thompson site a couple of times. For example, in the study of ALLY that Tim posted sometime ago IRL guys defered to Tompson site to show institutional buying/selling. This gives me confidence in the data Thompson site provides. Tom, if you discover ways to use that site effectively please share that with us. Anna "Tom Worley" @lists.xmission.com on 05/14/2001 12:41:50 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Thanks, Anna, I think that lionshares is either the feed for, or the same as, companysleuth, which has announced it is going subscription. So lionshares may follow. Do you have any experience with the accuracy of data at the Thompson site? Looks interesting, esp on a high volume day. I like the pie graph at the bottom for a particular stock that lets you see the division between retail and institutional activity for the current day and prior month. I checked EPIQ, and it explained a lot when it showed 40% of the prior month volume was institutional. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 12:19 PM Hi, I think Tom has mentioned that the site he is using to view institutional activity is going to charge a subscription fee. The sites below are free: http://www.lionshares.com/homepageb.cfm http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_overview Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 14 May 2001 13:25:14 -0700 ROC is rate of change. Here is one formula that I use: Close divided by Close (x days) 5 days ago. Plotted with 1.0 as oscillator. Ian wrote: > Excuse my ignorance ... but what is ROC? > > Thanks, > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? > > > Ian: > > > > It's a beautiful looking chart with nice Canslim fundamentals. How > do > > you find them? > > > > As far as its chart goes: Its broken out of its Feb. to today C&H > base > > on high volume. The 50DMA is < the rising 200DMA, but it looks like it's > > going to pentrate shortly. It had a nice 2 week handle where volume was < > > ADV (it should, though, be smaller). However, the 52 week hi is at around > > 24, which is only 1.50 away. Also, 50 day U/D volume (it's a stat DG > keeps) > > is only 1.1-this where the A/D is "B". In my opinion, U/D should be > higher. > > Moreover, the Dow seems to be dawdling a couple hundred points above its > > 200DMA. This dawdling could give WMS time to be a base on a base with > > smaller volume. Then it should break out (if it truly is a leader) on > high > > volume. > > > > I believe WMS will hit resistance at 24, and then if the Mkt pans out > > (by panning out I mean a follow through day above the Market's 200 of > about > > a 1% Mkt increase on high volume), then WMS will break resistance, if it > is a > > leader. I'd add that ROC (I use a 13 period for the Weekly) appears to be > in > > a weak divergence with the stock's top in February-this would lead me to > wait > > till I see how it does at the 52 week high (I put high significance in > ROC, > > esp. when the stock is BO or is in a handle). > > > > jans > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 14 May 2001 16:28:39 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DCBC.D767F290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you need to have invested, to make this seminar worth while? -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:07 PM I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City. Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received. I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point. Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up. WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them. It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals. Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys. If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask. Steve _____ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you need to have invested, to make this seminar worth while?
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:07 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar

 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City.   Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received.  I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point.  Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up.   WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them.  It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals.

Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys.

If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask.

Steve

 

 

 


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DCBC.D767F290-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ made the big-time! / HGS List Date: 14 May 2001 15:14:53 -0700 I'm pretty sure Tim is using the Cream of the crop list from Ranford's list. I'm not sure if he is screening this list or not. I looked over both lists and they don't quite match up, and they are ranked by ERG instead of alphebetically like on RAnford's. The criteria has been set on the website. Tim, is this right? What exactly are you doing to the list once you download it, other than ranking by ERG? Did not see an attached spreadsheet this week, but your'e right, one can get it directly anyway..... Thanks Perry > Tim: > > What criteria do you use in your scan of HGS stocks? I believe you use > the HGS site (which site I had lost, and you kindly-a few months ago-directed > me to). However, in your use of the of the HGS stocks, what crietria do you > use to select them? > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2001 8:26:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > tim@orerockon.com writes: > > << Congrats Tom, EPIQ cleared my HGS scan today! In fact, I'm buying it at > the > open 'cause you said to! Better yet, why don't you gift me your shares! > > In other news, my HGS scan is attached...hopefully... > > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > -------------------- > Stock,HGS Group,Scan Group,ERG,E,R,G,Curr G Speed,Prev G > Speed,A/D,SMR,Growth,Curr Earn,Prev Earn,Curr Sales,Prev Sales,Proj Earn,Ians > Box,Group,Exchange,Price,EPS Due,Date Added > > MTH,2,1,296,98,99,99,0,0,B,A,121,56,55,26,24,13,2,BUILD_RES,NYSE,49.78,7/27/ 20 > > 01,13-Apr > > NVR,2,1,296,99,98,99,0,0,B,A,73,49,107,6,23,33,3,BUILD_RES,AMEX,192.6,7/25/2 00 > > 1,11-Aug > > BZH,2,1,295,98,98,99,0,0,A,B,34,88,89,12,18,30,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,66.55,7/25/2 00 > > 1,26-Jan > > HOV,2,1,294,96,99,99,0,0,A,C,24,147,105,14,19,32,7,BUILD_RES,NYSE,18.76,6/7/ 20 > > 01,9-Mar > > RYL,2,1,293,98,96,99,0,0,A,B,82,44,59,20,26,16,3,BUILD_RES,NYSE,54.05,7/25/2 00 > > 1,20-Apr > > LEN,2,1,292,99,94,99,0,0,A,A,31,88,67,72,78,29,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,43.3,6/20/20 01 > > ,22-Sep > > SHFL,1,1,292,96,98,98,1,0,A,A,40,31,69,32,43,23,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,27.26,5/22 /2 > > 001,12-Jan > > USPH,,1,291,94,99,98,0,0,A,A,20,67,50,23,22,31,8,MED_OUTPAT,NASD,26.15,5/15/ 20 > > 01,15-Dec > > WBB,2,1,291,95,97,99,0,0,A,C,21,28,64,-14,-1,14,9,BUILD_RES,NYSE,40.11,7/25/ 20 > > 01,27-Apr > > TRR,,1,290,99,99,92,-3,-3,B,B,110,71,73,61,65,66,2,POLUTE_SERVICE,NYSE,36.71 ,8 > > /16/2001,4-May > > PHM,2,1,289,98,92,99,0,0,B,B,44,60,26,7,9,6,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,44.61,7/25/2001 ,2 > > 3-Mar > > IGT,1,1,288,97,93,98,1,0,B,A,20,106,113,59,46,42,7,LEIS_GAMES,NYSE,54.11,7/2 0/ > > 2001,26-Jan > > CHBS,1,1,287,98,98,91,3,-3,A,A,75,56,86,50,44,21,2,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,40.18,6/ 14 > > /2001,5-Jan > > CHIC,1,1,287,97,99,91,3,-3,A,A,41,40,52,35,48,33,6,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,34.71,7/ 13 > > /2001,13-Apr > > AEOS,1,1,285,96,98,91,3,-3,B,A,114,33,24,48,27,25,3,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,40.05,5 /1 > > 6/2001,30-Mar > > HOTT,1,1,285,98,96,91,3,-3,B,A,93,33,55,48,50,20,3,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,33.23,5/ 15 > > /2001,5-Jan > > SRCL,,1,285,97,96,92,-3,-3,B,B,67,32,30,10,46,28,3,POLUTE_SERVICE,NASD,44.71 ,8 > > /3/2001,23-Mar > > PVA,,1,284,95,96,93,2,8,B,A,19,88,40,63,60,32,8,ENER_OTH,NYSE,43.99,7/19/200 1, > > 20-Apr > > RJR,,1,284,94,95,95,-3,0,B,C,61,27,25,2,3,17,3,TOBACCO,NYSE,59.52,7/20/2001, 23 > > -Feb > > CHS,1,1,283,99,93,91,3,-3,B,A,83,72,87,75,73,27,2,RET_CLOTHES,NYSE,46.1,5/25 /2 > > 001,13-Apr > > CPN,,1,281,99,89,93,2,8,B,A,61,329,200,422,306,66,1,ENER_OTH,NYSE,52.55,7/24 /2 > > 001,20-Apr > > JEC,,1,280,87,96,97,3,4,A,C,16,14,10,15,15,13,10,BUILD_HEAVY,NYSE,69.91,7/18 /2 > > 001,27-Apr > > SGR,,1,280,94,97,89,2,14,B,B,26,27,41,97,178,41,6,METAL_PROCESS,NYSE,57.59,7 /7 > > /2001,27-Apr > > COCO,1,1,279,99,98,82,4,-3,A,A,177,50,58,49,44,55,2,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,43.5,8/ 30 > > /2001,11-May > > GMCR,2,1,279,95,99,85,9,-20,A,A,35,44,83,25,38,17,6,RETWHL_FOOD,NASD,31.15,5 /1 > > 6/2001,11-May > > JNY,,1,279,98,93,88,0,-2,A,A,31,136,58,5,4,20,4,TEXT_MFGRS,NYSE,45,4/26/2001 ,9 > > -Feb > > CTX,2,1,278,93,86,99,0,0,B,B,30,48,8,15,15,17,6,BUILD_RES,NYSE,42.84,7/25/20 01 > > ,27-Apr > > EVG,1,1,278,97,96,85,7,12,A,A,37,550,250,345,234,206,4,O&G_USEXPL,NYSE,47.72 ,8 > > /8/2001,27-Apr > > NYCB,1,1,278,98,97,83,0,5,A,A,22,136,50,202,99,40,7,BANK_NE,NASD,33.59,7/12/ 20 > > 01,4-May > > PENN,1,1,278,90,90,98,1,0,B,A,25,25,18,102,101,26,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,18.6,7/2 5/ > > 2001,4-May > > PPDI,1,1,277,95,98,84,9,12,B,A,37,107,11,31,17,35,4,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,62.66,7 /1 > > 9/2001,11-May > > KMX,1,4,276,78,99,99,1,0,A,C,NA,999,333,27,15,13,7,RET_MISC,NYSE,13.06,6/16/ 20 > > 01,11-May > > ALLY,1,4,275,78,99,98,1,0,A,-,NA,171,180,19,15,NA,7,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,26.05,8/ 16 > > /2001,9-Mar > > ESI,1,1,273,95,96,82,4,-3,A,A,18,25,122,16,21,18,9,COMM_SCHOOL,NYSE,36.95,7/ 13 > > /2001,11-May > > ACF,,2,270,99,96,75,-15,-3,A,A,47,71,58,67,58,58,5,FIN_CONSUMER,NYSE,44.27,8 /3 > > /2001,11-May > > APOL,1,1,270,98,90,82,4,-3,A,A,36,40,40,22,24,14,6,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,37.03,6/ 27 > > /2001,11-May > > DIAN,1,1,269,96,89,84,9,12,A,B,40,53,47,21,23,39,5,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,40.5,7/2 1/ > > 2001,11-May > > TTI,1,4,269,78,97,94,-1,-1,A,C,NA,600,200,43,40,102,7,O&F_FIELD,NYSE,27.3,7/ 21 > > /2001,26-Jan > > KNGT,,1,267,87,94,86,-2,0,A,A,24,22,13,29,16,18,10,TRANS_TRUCK,NASD,27.54,4/ 22 > > /2000,5-Jan > > SKX,1,2,266,99,98,69,5,-10,B,A,149,137,225,71,72,52,1,SHOES,NYSE,36.35,8/1/2 00 > > 1,20-Apr > > STRA,1,1,265,87,96,82,4,-3,A,A,15,14,13,12,8,11,10,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,42.47,7/ 25 > > /2001,11-May > > EDMC,1,1,264,95,87,82,4,-3,B,A,45,25,21,21,19,24,6,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,33.45,8/ 1/ > > 2001,11-May > > KREM,2,2,262,97,92,73,-6,-4,A,A,48,173,35,39,37,25,4,RET_REST,NASD,49.19,5/2 5/ > > 2001,27-Apr > > ATK,1,1,261,84,96,81,-2,-3,B,B,15,14,18,-11,-2,14,10,ELEC_MILITARY,NYSE,97.1 4, > > 5/11/2000,26-Jan > > CEC,2,2,261,94,94,73,-6,-4,B,A,59,29,14,15,13,29,3,RET_REST,NYSE,49.98,7/18/ 20 > > 01,27-Apr > > EPIQ,1,2,261,99,99,63,27,32,A,A,61,27,140,43,69,30,3,COMPS_FIN,NASD,27.85,7/ 25 > > /2001,11-May > > FED,,2,260,96,93,71,-2,0,B,A,38,43,34,24,23,22,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,30.79,7/27/200 1, > > 20-Apr > > HSIC,1,2,260,94,96,70,-14,-8,B,C,206,37,18,7,4,15,3,MEDDEN_SUPP,NASD,38.75,5 /1 > > /2001,4-May > > UCOR,1,4,259,76,99,84,9,12,A,C,-10,200,999,29,39,-,7,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,15.39, 7/ > > 25/2001,4-May > > BPFH,1,1,258,80,95,83,0,5,A,A,18,40,-17,-*,56,16,9,BANK_NE,NASD,20.95,7/20/2 00 > > 1,4-May > > FLIR,1,4,258,78,99,81,-2,-3,A,E,NA,200,112,38,19,NA,7,ELEC_MILITARY,NASD,14. 4, > > 8/15/2001,27-Apr > > XTO,1,4,258,78,95,85,7,12,B,A,NA,342,763,120,85,115,7,O&G_USEXPL,NYSE,28,7/2 5/ > > 2001,4-May > > FDS,1,2,257,99,80,78,-1,1,A,A,39,33,38,32,35,28,6,COMM_MISC,NYSE,38.8,6/13/2 00 > > 1,11-May > > GCO,1,2,257,93,95,69,5,-10,B,A,20,31,44,28,26,17,9,SHOES,NYSE,29.56,5/23/200 1, > > 20-Apr > > QUIX,,2,257,95,97,65,-1,0,A,A,38,28,31,13,25,21,6,DIVERSITY,NASD,28.61,8/15/ 20 > > 01,23-Feb > > APPB,2,2,256,93,90,73,-6,-4,B,A,18,21,13,13,5,14,10,RET_REST,NASD,42.89,4/26 /2 > > 001,27-Apr > > DME,,2,256,90,95,71,-2,0,B,A,30,29,5,21,14,15,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,34.48,7/12/2001 ,2 > > 0-Apr > > POG,1,4,254,78,91,85,7,12,B,A,NA,110,171,69,47,24,7,O&G_USEXPL,NYSE,27.86,4/ 25 > > /2001,20-Apr > > WM,,2,254,93,90,71,-2,0,C,A,38,39,18,25,16,28,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,53,7/19/2001,20 -A > > pr > > DORL,,2,253,96,97,60,2,-7,B,A,27,33,23,-,32,21,6,FIN_MORTSVCS,NASD,30.77,7/1 2/ > > 2001,11-May > > FLGS,,2,252,85,96,71,-2,0,B,A,15,183,2,-,44,33,7,FIN_S&L,NASD,24.75,7/19/200 1, > > 27-Apr > > HRB,1,2,252,80,94,78,-1,1,A,A,16,186,NA,29,73,10,7,COMM_MISC,NYSE,56.05,6/21 /2 > > 001,11-May > > TTEN,1,4,251,78,88,85,7,12,C,A,NA,978,338,311,374,34,7,O&G_USEXPL,NASD,17.5, 5/ > > 17/2001,27-Apr > > ESA,,2,249,99,86,64,-1,3,C,B,66,42,50,18,22,18,3,LEIS_HOTEL,NYSE,16.93,7/25/ 20 > > 01,4-May > > IMA,1,4,247,78,98,71,10,-1,B,C,NA,150,633,36,35,30,7,COSMETIC,AMEX,35.34,7/2 5/ > > 2001,11-May > > PCP,,2,246,94,90,62,4,4,A,B,18,36,64,14,43,17,9,AERO_DEF_EQ,NYSE,44.45,7/20/ 20 > > 01,11-May >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 14 May 2001 17:30:04 -0500 I think this is correct, for the most part. However, I have read about some virri (?) that can infect your system just by opening them. Have not seen 1 or even know anyone that has been infected this way tho. Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:44 AM > Ann, Perry, Norman, Dan and Canslimmers everywhere: > > I am not a computer whiz or guru, but I believe this is correct: Even > if you download to your computer from the Net (for exp., in Canslim, if you > download a graph or a spreadsheet), so long as you don't OPEN the downloaded > file (for exp., if you delete the file before opening it), your computer will > not be/get infected. > > Jeff, if you're familiar with virus-predicaments: Am I correct? > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2001 7:37:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > theboyd@tisd.net writes: > > << Evidently the virus hasn't been going out to everyone on the list. My > up-to-date Norton AV hasn't detected any viruses for months and I have read > all the posts from this group. > > Norman Boyd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Hollingworth" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > I believe that my Norton Antivirus software "quarantined" the virus. Then > I > > sent it (an option in the software) back to the Symantec website for > > analysis. I performed a virus scan and seem to be virus-(worm) free. Hope > > and trust that I didn't send it to anyone. > > Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Perry Stanfield" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Yes, I've seen an increased amount of spam and junk since subscribing to > > > this list and many others. I never got around to loading my antivirus > > > software after reformating my hd at Christmas, and I did see the Snow > > White > > > email, (yes I opened it (dough!!)) mailed to me several times. But > > nothing > > > bad has happened to my PC. > > > > > > The discussions here prompted me to load my McAfee software....would > not > > > load......hmmmm. > > > > > > Subscribed online to a neat self-updating service McAfee sells. Before > > > that, did a free online scan.........found 5 viruses. One of them is on > > the > > > top 10, sure enough, it described the snow white picture of the email. > > > > > > This is a worm that once gets into a computer via email, will quietly > > spread > > > via your (my) address book with a dummy return address. This would > > include > > > anyone on this list, since canslim@lists.xmission.com is in my and your > > > address book. There is an extensive report on this virus in McAfee's > > > library. > > > > > > I don't know if am the original problem or not. Looking back, I > received > > > this virus on May 1. The virus is a lot older than that. > > > Been surfing since 1995, never had this happen to me. > > > > > > Goes without saying that anyone on this list should have active, > effective > > > antivirus software. If you don't, we are all susceptible to havoc. > > > > > > Perry > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dan" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:58 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > > > > > > > > > > I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc associated > with > > a > > > jpg, > > > > gif, or bmp file. Has anyone? > > > > > > > > Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ann: > > > > > > > > > > Very good reason why I rarely open any downloads-even from > > > Canslimmers. > > > > > Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful info in the > > > graphs or > > > > > data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is whether the > > files > > > that > > > > > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected. And I'm afraid that the virus or > > > trojan > > > > > will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or that I will > > > forget to > > > > > use Norton to scan it before opening. > > > > > > > > > > jans > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > > annholly@mediaone.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail. > The > > > virus > > > > > was > > > > > something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy virgin.scr > in > > > my > > > > > TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to Norton/Symantec. > > Watch > > > out. > > > > > I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned before > > > mailing > > > > > this) > > > > > > > > > > Ann >> > > > > > >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 14 May 2001 18:33:40 EDT Norman: I've read about this too. But I believe it will infect your computer only if you open the E-mail with a word processor software in your computer. I don't believe you will be infected if you open the E-mail with your E-mail server. jans In a message dated 5/14/2001 6:30:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, theboyd@tisd.net writes: << I think this is correct, for the most part. However, I have read about some virri (?) that can infect your system just by opening them. Have not seen 1 or even know anyone that has been infected this way tho. Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > Ann, Perry, Norman, Dan and Canslimmers everywhere: > > I am not a computer whiz or guru, but I believe this is correct: Even > if you download to your computer from the Net (for exp., in Canslim, if you > download a graph or a spreadsheet), so long as you don't OPEN the downloaded > file (for exp., if you delete the file before opening it), your computer will > not be/get infected. > > Jeff, if you're familiar with virus-predicaments: Am I correct? > >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 14 May 2001 17:03:26 -0700 (PDT) --0-1230149412-989885006=:8503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It was a lot of money for the day. There were about 700 people attending, I was curious about that too, and counted the rows and people in them, it was a sell-out. I have been using CANSLIM for at least 5 years, although I am not a purist. I wanted to go because I am clearly more successful following CANSLIM than when I stray. I NEED THE DISCIPLINE POUNDED INTO ME. Tough question about how much money you should have invested to make this worthwhile. There was a man next to me that was pleased that he made $10,000 last year on and initial bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more. There were people that claimed to have made hundreds of thousands of dollars. Just about every single person there was a subscriber of Investors Business Daily, many to DGO, many to the graph books, all wanting to hone their skills. I had the feeling there were no novices. I guess you had to be a believer to fork out $795. This may not make sense----I felt it was expensive but if I see the seminare offered again in a year or two, I would probably sign up again. "Dempsey, Chris" wrote: It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you need to have invested, to make this seminar worth while? -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:07 PM I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City. Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received. I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point. Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up. WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them. It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals. Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys. If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask. Steve Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? --0-1230149412-989885006=:8503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

It was a lot of money for the day.  There were about 700 people attending,  I was curious about that too, and counted the rows and people in them, it was a sell-out.  I have been using CANSLIM for at least 5 years, although I am not a purist.   I wanted to go because I am clearly more successful following CANSLIM than when I stray.  I NEED THE DISCIPLINE POUNDED INTO ME.   Tough question about how much money you should have invested to make this worthwhile.  There was a man next to me that was pleased that he made $10,000 last year on and initial bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more.   There were people that claimed to have made hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Just about every single person there was a subscriber of Investors Business Daily, many to DGO, many to the graph books,  all wanting to hone their skills.  I had the feeling there were no novices.   I guess you had to be a believer to fork out $795.   This may not make sense----I felt it was expensive but if I see the seminare offered again in a year or two, I would probably sign up again.

  "Dempsey, Chris" <cdempsey@houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:



It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you need to have invested, to make this seminar worth while?


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:07 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar


 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City.   Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received.  I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point.  Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up.   WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them.  It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals.


Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys.


If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask.


Steve


 


 


 





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Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? --0-1230149412-989885006=:8503-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 14 May 2001 20:37:37 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C0DCB5.B6D6DDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like you could say there are no easy answers to CANSLIM, just a = lot of hard work and decision making? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 It was a lot of money for the day. There were about 700 people = attending, I was curious about that too, and counted the rows and = people in them, it was a sell-out. I have been using CANSLIM for at = least 5 years, although I am not a purist. I wanted to go because I am = clearly more successful following CANSLIM than when I stray. I NEED THE = DISCIPLINE POUNDED INTO ME. Tough question about how much money you = should have invested to make this worthwhile. There was a man next to = me that was pleased that he made $10,000 last year on and initial = bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more. There were = people that claimed to have made hundreds of thousands of dollars. Just = about every single person there was a subscriber of Investors Business = Daily, many to DGO, many to the graph books, all wanting to hone their = skills. I had the feeling there were no novices. I guess you had to = be a believer to fork out $795. This may not make sense----I felt it = was expensive but if I see the seminare offered again in a year or two, = I would probably sign up again. "Dempsey, Chris" wrote:=20 It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you = been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the = seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many = helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you need to have = invested, to make this seminar worth while? -----Original Message----- From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:07 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York = City. Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee = was kind of steep for the value received. I am always looking for help = with selling, always my weakest point. Not the 8% loss on fresh money = but once a stock has moved up. WON spent an unusual amount of time = talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them. It was the = major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some = discussion of other sell signals. Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps = should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have = lead the recent rallys. If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free = to ask. Steve - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? ----- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C0DCB5.B6D6DDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sounds like you could say there are no easy answers = to=20 CANSLIM, just a lot of hard work and decision making?
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = F=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:03 = PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD = Advance=20 Investment Seminar

It was a lot of money for the day.  There were about 700 = people=20 attending,  I was curious about that too, and counted the rows = and people=20 in them, it was a sell-out.  I have been using CANSLIM for at = least 5=20 years, although I am not a purist.   I wanted to go because = I am=20 clearly more successful following CANSLIM than when I stray.  = I NEED=20 THE DISCIPLINE POUNDED INTO ME.   Tough question about = how much=20 money you should have invested to make this worthwhile.  There = was a man=20 next to me that was pleased that he made $10,000 last year on and = initial=20 bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more.   = There=20 were people that claimed to have made hundreds of thousands of = dollars. =20 Just about every single person there was a subscriber of Investors = Business=20 Daily, many to DGO, many to the graph books,  all wanting to hone = their=20 skills.  I had the feeling there were no novices.   I = guess you=20 had to be a believer to fork out $795.   This may not make=20 sense----I felt it was expensive but if I see the seminare offered = again in a=20 year or two, I would probably sign up again.

  "Dempsey, Chris"=20 <cdempsey@houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:


It=20 sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you been = using=20 CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the seminar = would help.=20 I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many helped WON? In = your=20 opinion how much money would you need to have invested, to make this = seminar=20 worth while?


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve F=20 [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 = 8:07=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = [CANSLIM]=20 IBD Advance Investment Seminar


 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in = New York=20 City.   Although it was interesting, and the day flew = by, the=20 $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received.  I am = always=20 looking for help with selling, always my weakest point.  Not = the 8%=20 loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up.   WON = spent=20 an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and = how to=20 recognize them.  It was the major focus of the segment of = correct=20 selling, although there was some discussion of other sell = signals.


Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big = caps=20 should now be included in considering stocks for investment as = they have=20 lead the recent rallys.


If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel = free to=20 ask.


Steve


 


 


 





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Yahoo!=20 Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to=20 sell? ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C0DCB5.B6D6DDE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Fw: UPDATE (was Fw: [CANSLIM] TTEN (was Fw: Funds Ownership ) ] [T20010509008L]) Date: 14 May 2001 20:43:13 -0400 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 5:32 PM [T20010509008L] Hi Tom, I am having our programmers look into TTEN because the Funds% should be lower. I can tell you that the percentage should be around 33% and the Banks% should be about 12%. We are doing our best to get this updated. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 14 May 2001 18:33:40 EDT Norman: I've read about this too. But I believe it will infect your computer only if you open the E-mail with a word processor software in your computer. I don't believe you will be infected if you open the E-mail with your E-mail server. jans In a message dated 5/14/2001 6:30:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, theboyd@tisd.net writes: << I think this is correct, for the most part. However, I have read about some virri (?) that can infect your system just by opening them. Have not seen 1 or even know anyone that has been infected this way tho. Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus > Ann, Perry, Norman, Dan and Canslimmers everywhere: > > I am not a computer whiz or guru, but I believe this is correct: Even > if you download to your computer from the Net (for exp., in Canslim, if you > download a graph or a spreadsheet), so long as you don't OPEN the downloaded > file (for exp., if you delete the file before opening it), your computer will > not be/get infected. > > Jeff, if you're familiar with virus-predicaments: Am I correct? > >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 14 May 2001 19:10:37 -0700 As best that I know, one has to invoke the command, click on the attachment to, set forth the multitude.  If you think about it, when you open an email, you do not know if there is an attachment or not.  Again, I do not know of any virii, trojan horse, worm, spirochete that has been found to be associated with a jpg, gif, bmp file.

Parenthetically, I have Norton Antivirus, and found that it was not scanning incoming email.  When it is configured correctly, there is a little envelope outline down next to the Netscape symbol,  another envelope symbol, that when it is scanning, one sees an animated arrow moving up and down.   Message is:  if it is functioning, you can see a visual representation.

Dan

Norman wrote:

I think this is correct, for the most part.  However, I have read about some
virri (?) that can infect your system just by opening them.  Have not seen 1
or even know anyone that has been infected this way tho.

Norman Boyd

----- Original Message -----
From: <Spencer48@aol.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus

> Ann, Perry, Norman, Dan and Canslimmers everywhere:
>
>      I am not a computer whiz or guru, but I believe this is correct:
Even
> if you download to your computer from the Net (for exp., in Canslim, if
you
> download a graph or a spreadsheet), so long as you don't OPEN the
downloaded
> file (for exp., if you delete the file before opening it), your computer
will
> not be/get infected.
>
>      Jeff, if you're familiar with virus-predicaments:  Am I correct?
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/14/2001 7:37:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> theboyd@tisd.net writes:
>
> << Evidently the virus hasn't been going out to everyone on the list.  My
>  up-to-date Norton AV hasn't detected any viruses for months and I have
read
>  all the posts from this group.
>
>  Norman Boyd
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Ann Hollingworth" <annholly@mediaone.net>
>  To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>  Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:23 AM
>  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus
>
>
>  > I believe that my Norton Antivirus software "quarantined" the virus.
Then
>  I
>  > sent it (an option in the software) back to the Symantec website for
>  > analysis. I performed a virus scan and seem to be virus-(worm) free.
Hope
>  > and trust that I didn't send it to anyone.
>  > Ann
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Perry Stanfield" <mpstan@home.com>
>  > To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>  > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:18 AM
>  > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus
>  >
>  >
>  > > Hello,
>  > >
>  > > Yes, I've seen an increased amount of spam and junk since subscribing
to
>  > > this list and many others.  I never got around to loading my
antivirus
>  > > software after reformating my hd at Christmas, and I did see the Snow
>  > White
>  > > email, (yes I opened it (dough!!)) mailed to me several times.   But
>  > nothing
>  > > bad has happened to my PC.
>  > >
>  > > The discussions here prompted me to load my  McAfee software....would
>  not
>  > > load......hmmmm.
>  > >
>  > > Subscribed online to a neat self-updating service McAfee sells.
Before
>  > > that, did a free online scan.........found 5 viruses.  One of them is
on
>  > the
>  > > top 10, sure enough, it described the snow white picture of the
email.
>  > >
>  > > This is a worm that once gets into a computer via email, will quietly
>  > spread
>  > > via your (my) address book with a dummy return address.  This would
>  > include
>  > > anyone on this list, since canslim@lists.xmission.com is in my and
your
>  > > address book.   There is an extensive report on this virus in
McAfee's
>  > > library.
>  > >
>  > > I don't know if am the original problem or not.  Looking back, I
>  received
>  > > this virus on May 1.   The virus is a lot older than that.
>  > > Been surfing since 1995, never had this happen to me.
>  > >
>  > > Goes without saying that anyone on this list should have active,
>  effective
>  > > antivirus software.  If you don't, we are all susceptible to havoc.
>  > >
>  > > Perry
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > From: "Dan" <dcash@compuall.net>
>  > > To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>  > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:58 AM
>  > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > > I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc associated
>  with
>  > a
>  > > jpg,
>  > > > gif, or bmp file.  Has anyone?
>  > > >
>  > > > Spencer48@aol.com wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > > Ann:
>  > > > >
>  > > > >      Very good reason why I rarely open any downloads-even from
>  > > Canslimmers.
>  > > > > Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful info in
the
>  > > graphs or
>  > > > > data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is whether the
>  > files
>  > > that
>  > > > > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected.  And I'm afraid that the virus
or
>  > > trojan
>  > > > > will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or that I
will
>  > > forget to
>  > > > > use Norton to scan it before opening.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > jans
>  > > > >
>  > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>  > > > > annholly@mediaone.net writes:
>  > > > >
>  > > > > << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of junk mail.
>  The
>  > > virus
>  > > > > was
>  > > > >  something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy
virgin.scr
>  in
>  > > my
>  > > > >  TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to
Norton/Symantec.
>  > Watch
>  > > out.
>  > > > >  I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned
before
>  > > mailing
>  > > > >  this)
>  > > > >
>  > > > >  Ann >>
>  > > > > >>
>
> -
> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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>
>

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- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 14 May 2001 21:43:05 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0132_01C0DCBE.DBA981F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I do know if a message has an attachment before I open it - the = paperclip! =20 Wish I had kept the note I received about the virus, worm, or whatever = it was that could infect a system without clicking on an attachment. = Just reading it is enough. It was from a reliable source but I have = misplaced it or deleted it. Maybe Jeff can enlighten us. It's not CANSLIM but is important to a group like this. Norman ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus As best that I know, one has to invoke the command, click on the = attachment to, set forth the multitude. If you think about it, when you = open an email, you do not know if there is an attachment or not. Again, = I do not know of any virii, trojan horse, worm, spirochete that has been = found to be associated with a jpg, gif, bmp file.=20 Parenthetically, I have Norton Antivirus, and found that it was not = scanning incoming email. When it is configured correctly, there is a = little envelope outline down next to the Netscape symbol, another = envelope symbol, that when it is scanning, one sees an animated arrow = moving up and down. Message is: if it is functioning, you can see a = visual representation.=20 Dan=20 Norman wrote:=20 I think this is correct, for the most part. However, I have read = about some=20 virri (?) that can infect your system just by opening them. Have = not seen 1=20 or even know anyone that has been infected this way tho.=20 Norman Boyd=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: =20 To: =20 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:44 AM=20 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus=20 > Ann, Perry, Norman, Dan and Canslimmers everywhere:=20 >=20 > I am not a computer whiz or guru, but I believe this is = correct:=20 Even=20 > if you download to your computer from the Net (for exp., in = Canslim, if=20 you=20 > download a graph or a spreadsheet), so long as you don't OPEN the=20 downloaded=20 > file (for exp., if you delete the file before opening it), your = computer=20 will=20 > not be/get infected.=20 >=20 > Jeff, if you're familiar with virus-predicaments: Am I = correct?=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 5/14/2001 7:37:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 > theboyd@tisd.net writes:=20 >=20 > << Evidently the virus hasn't been going out to everyone on the = list. My=20 > up-to-date Norton AV hasn't detected any viruses for months and I = have=20 read=20 > all the posts from this group.=20 >=20 > Norman Boyd=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Ann Hollingworth" =20 > To: =20 > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:23 AM=20 > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus=20 >=20 >=20 > > I believe that my Norton Antivirus software "quarantined" the = virus.=20 Then=20 > I=20 > > sent it (an option in the software) back to the Symantec = website for=20 > > analysis. I performed a virus scan and seem to be virus-(worm) = free.=20 Hope=20 > > and trust that I didn't send it to anyone.=20 > > Ann=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: "Perry Stanfield" =20 > > To: =20 > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:18 AM=20 > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > > Hello,=20 > > >=20 > > > Yes, I've seen an increased amount of spam and junk since = subscribing=20 to=20 > > > this list and many others. I never got around to loading my=20 antivirus=20 > > > software after reformating my hd at Christmas, and I did see = the Snow=20 > > White=20 > > > email, (yes I opened it (dough!!)) mailed to me several = times. But=20 > > nothing=20 > > > bad has happened to my PC.=20 > > >=20 > > > The discussions here prompted me to load my McAfee = software....would=20 > not=20 > > > load......hmmmm.=20 > > >=20 > > > Subscribed online to a neat self-updating service McAfee = sells.=20 Before=20 > > > that, did a free online scan.........found 5 viruses. One of = them is=20 on=20 > > the=20 > > > top 10, sure enough, it described the snow white picture of = the=20 email.=20 > > >=20 > > > This is a worm that once gets into a computer via email, will = quietly=20 > > spread=20 > > > via your (my) address book with a dummy return address. This = would=20 > > include=20 > > > anyone on this list, since canslim@lists.xmission.com is in = my and=20 your=20 > > > address book. There is an extensive report on this virus in = McAfee's=20 > > > library.=20 > > >=20 > > > I don't know if am the original problem or not. Looking = back, I=20 > received=20 > > > this virus on May 1. The virus is a lot older than that.=20 > > > Been surfing since 1995, never had this happen to me.=20 > > >=20 > > > Goes without saying that anyone on this list should have = active,=20 > effective=20 > > > antivirus software. If you don't, we are all susceptible to = havoc.=20 > > >=20 > > > Perry=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > > From: "Dan" =20 > > > To: =20 > > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:58 AM=20 > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc = associated=20 > with=20 > > a=20 > > > jpg,=20 > > > > gif, or bmp file. Has anyone?=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Spencer48@aol.com wrote:=20 > > > >=20 > > > > > Ann:=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Very good reason why I rarely open any = downloads-even from=20 > > > Canslimmers.=20 > > > > > Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful = info in=20 the=20 > > > graphs or=20 > > > > > data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is = whether the=20 > > files=20 > > > that=20 > > > > > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected. And I'm afraid that = the virus=20 or=20 > > > trojan=20 > > > > > will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or = that I=20 will=20 > > > forget to=20 > > > > > use Norton to scan it before opening.=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > jans=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight = Time,=20 > > > > > annholly@mediaone.net writes:=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of = junk mail.=20 > The=20 > > > virus=20 > > > > > was=20 > > > > > something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy=20 virgin.scr=20 > in=20 > > > my=20 > > > > > TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to=20 Norton/Symantec.=20 > > Watch=20 > > > out.=20 > > > > > I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. = (scanned=20 before=20 > > > mailing=20 > > > > > this)=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Ann >>=20 > > > > > >>=20 >=20 > -=20 > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 >=20 >=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the = email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not = use quotes in your email.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0132_01C0DCBE.DBA981F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I do know if a message has an attachment before I open it - = the=20 paperclip! 
 
Wish I had kept the note I received about the virus, worm, or = whatever it=20 was that could infect a system without clicking on an attachment.  = Just=20 reading it is enough.  It was from a reliable source but I = have=20 misplaced it or deleted it.  Maybe Jeff can enlighten us.
 
It's not CANSLIM but is important to a group like this.
 
Norman
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:10 = PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = virus

As best that I know, one has to invoke the command, = click on=20 the attachment to, set forth the multitude.  If you think about = it, when=20 you open an email, you do not know if there is an attachment or = not. =20 Again, I do not know of any virii, trojan horse, = worm,=20 spirochete that has been found to be associated with a jpg, gif, bmp = file.=20

Parenthetically, I have Norton Antivirus, and found that it was not = scanning incoming email.  When it is configured correctly, there = is a=20 little envelope outline down next to the Netscape symbol,  = another=20 envelope symbol, that when it is scanning, one sees an animated arrow = moving=20 up and down.   Message is:  if it is functioning, you = can see a=20 visual representation.=20

Dan=20

Norman wrote:=20

I think this is correct, for the most = part. =20 However, I have read about some
virri (?) that can infect your = system=20 just by opening them.  Have not seen 1
or even know anyone = that has=20 been infected this way tho.=20

Norman Boyd=20

----- Original Message -----
From: <Spencer48@aol.com> =
To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 = 9:44 AM=20
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus=20

> Ann, Perry, Norman, Dan and Canslimmers everywhere:
> =
>      I am not a computer whiz or = guru, but=20 I believe this is correct:
Even
> if you download to your = computer from the Net (for exp., in Canslim, if
you
> = download a=20 graph or a spreadsheet), so long as you don't OPEN the =
downloaded=20
> file (for exp., if you delete the file before opening it), = your=20 computer
will
> not be/get infected.
>=20
>      Jeff, if you're familiar with = virus-predicaments:  Am I correct?
>
>
> =
>=20 In a message dated 5/14/2001 7:37:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, =
>=20 theboyd@tisd.net writes:
>
> << Evidently the = virus=20 hasn't been going out to everyone on the list.  My =
> =20 up-to-date Norton AV hasn't detected any viruses for months and I = have=20
read
>  all the posts from this group.
>=20
>  Norman Boyd
>
>  ----- Original = Message=20 -----
>  From: "Ann Hollingworth" = <annholly@mediaone.net>=20
>  To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>  = Sent:=20 Monday, May 14, 2001 6:23 AM
>  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = virus=20
>
>
>  > I believe that my Norton = Antivirus=20 software "quarantined" the virus.
Then
>  I =
> =20 > sent it (an option in the software) back to the Symantec = website for=20
>  > analysis. I performed a virus scan and seem to = be=20 virus-(worm) free.
Hope
>  > and trust that I = didn't send=20 it to anyone.
>  > Ann
>  > ----- = Original=20 Message -----
>  > From: "Perry Stanfield"=20 <mpstan@home.com>
>  > To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>  > Sent: Monday, = May 14,=20 2001 2:18 AM
>  > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus =
> =20 >
>  >
>  > > Hello, =
>  >=20 >
>  > > Yes, I've seen an increased amount of = spam and=20 junk since subscribing
to
>  > > this list and = many=20 others.  I never got around to loading my
antivirus =
> =20 > > software after reformating my hd at Christmas, and I did = see the=20 Snow
>  > White
>  > > email, (yes = I opened=20 it (dough!!)) mailed to me several times.   But =
> =20 > nothing
>  > > bad has happened to my PC.=20
>  > >
>  > > The discussions = here=20 prompted me to load my  McAfee software....would
>  = not=20
>  > > load......hmmmm.
>  > >=20
>  > > Subscribed online to a neat self-updating = service=20 McAfee sells.
Before
>  > > that, did a free = online=20 scan.........found 5 viruses.  One of them is
on =
> =20 > the
>  > > top 10, sure enough, it described = the snow=20 white picture of the
email.
>  > > =
>  >=20 > This is a worm that once gets into a computer via email, will = quietly=20
>  > spread
>  > > via your (my) = address=20 book with a dummy return address.  This would
>  = >=20 include
>  > > anyone on this list, since=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com is in my and
your
>  > = >=20 address book.   There is an extensive report on this virus = in=20
McAfee's
>  > > library.
>  > = >=20
>  > > I don't know if am the original problem or=20 not.  Looking back, I
>  received
>  = > >=20 this virus on May 1.   The virus is a lot older than that. =
>  > > Been surfing since 1995, never had this = happen to=20 me.
>  > >
>  > > Goes without = saying=20 that anyone on this list should have active,
>  = effective=20
>  > > antivirus software.  If you don't, we = are all=20 susceptible to havoc.
>  > >
>  > = >=20 Perry
>  > >
>  > > =
>  >=20 > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > From: = "Dan"=20 <dcash@compuall.net>
>  > > To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
>  > > Sent: = Sunday,=20 May 13, 2001 8:58 AM
>  > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = virus=20
>  > >
>  > >
>  = > >=20 > I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc = associated=20
>  with
>  > a
>  > > = jpg,=20
>  > > > gif, or bmp file.  Has anyone?=20
>  > > >
>  > > >=20 Spencer48@aol.com wrote:
>  > > > =
>  >=20 > > > Ann:
>  > > > > =
>  >=20 > > >      Very good reason why I = rarely=20 open any downloads-even from
>  > > Canslimmers.=20
>  > > > > Even though I believe the = Canslimmers=20 will give useful info in
the
>  > > graphs or=20
>  > > > > data they send, what one must = worry about=20 nowadays is whether the
>  > files
>  = > >=20 that
>  > > > > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY=20 infected.  And I'm afraid that the virus
or
>  = >=20 > trojan
>  > > > > will be too new for = Norton to=20 identify/eradicate it, or that I
will
>  > > = forget to=20
>  > > > > use Norton to scan it before = opening.=20
>  > > > >
>  > > > = > jans=20
>  > > > >
>  > > > = > In a=20 message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, =
> =20 > > > > annholly@mediaone.net writes:
>  = > >=20 > >
>  > > > > << Just got a = virus,=20 after receiving several pieces of junk mail.
>  The=20
>  > > virus
>  > > > > = was=20
>  > > > >  something about Snow White, = put=20 something entitled sexy
virgin.scr
>  in =
>  >=20 > my
>  > > > >  TEMP folder. I seem = to have=20 solved it, thanks to
Norton/Symantec.
>  > Watch=20
>  > > out.
>  > > > = >  I=20 hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scanned
before =
>  > > mailing
>  > > > = > =20 this)
>  > > > >
>  > > = >=20 >  Ann >>
>  > > > > >> =
>=20
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- = -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email = body,=20 write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes = in your=20 email. ------=_NextPart_000_0132_01C0DCBE.DBA981F0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ made the big-time! / HGS List Date: 14 May 2001 20:08:16 -0700 The link I provided is to that scan. I toss out the ones that don't meet the additional criteria listed when you click on "color legend" on the page. Then I toss out buyouts and the occasional >50% correction. At 03:14 PM 5/14/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I'm pretty sure Tim is using the Cream of the crop list from Ranford's list. >I'm not sure if he is screening this list or not. >I looked over both lists and they don't quite match up, and they are ranked >by ERG instead of alphebetically like on RAnford's. >The criteria has been set on the website. > >Tim, is this right? What exactly are you doing to the list once you >download it, other than ranking by ERG? Did not see an attached spreadsheet >this week, but your'e right, one can get it directly anyway..... Thanks > >Perry > > > > > > Tim: > > > > What criteria do you use in your scan of HGS stocks? I believe you >use > > the HGS site (which site I had lost, and you kindly-a few months >ago-directed > > me to). However, in your use of the of the HGS stocks, what crietria do >you > > use to select them? > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2001 8:26:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > tim@orerockon.com writes: > > > > << Congrats Tom, EPIQ cleared my HGS scan today! In fact, I'm buying it at > > the > > open 'cause you said to! Better yet, why don't you gift me your shares! > > > > In other news, my HGS scan is attached...hopefully... > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > -------------------- > > Stock,HGS Group,Scan Group,ERG,E,R,G,Curr G Speed,Prev G > > Speed,A/D,SMR,Growth,Curr Earn,Prev Earn,Curr Sales,Prev Sales,Proj >Earn,Ians > > Box,Group,Exchange,Price,EPS Due,Date Added > > > > >MTH,2,1,296,98,99,99,0,0,B,A,121,56,55,26,24,13,2,BUILD_RES,NYSE,49.78,7/27/ >20 > > > > 01,13-Apr > > > > >NVR,2,1,296,99,98,99,0,0,B,A,73,49,107,6,23,33,3,BUILD_RES,AMEX,192.6,7/25/2 >00 > > > > 1,11-Aug > > > > >BZH,2,1,295,98,98,99,0,0,A,B,34,88,89,12,18,30,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,66.55,7/25/2 >00 > > > > 1,26-Jan > > > > >HOV,2,1,294,96,99,99,0,0,A,C,24,147,105,14,19,32,7,BUILD_RES,NYSE,18.76,6/7/ >20 > > > > 01,9-Mar > > > > >RYL,2,1,293,98,96,99,0,0,A,B,82,44,59,20,26,16,3,BUILD_RES,NYSE,54.05,7/25/2 >00 > > > > 1,20-Apr > > > > >LEN,2,1,292,99,94,99,0,0,A,A,31,88,67,72,78,29,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,43.3,6/20/20 >01 > > > > ,22-Sep > > > > >SHFL,1,1,292,96,98,98,1,0,A,A,40,31,69,32,43,23,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,27.26,5/22 >/2 > > > > 001,12-Jan > > > > >USPH,,1,291,94,99,98,0,0,A,A,20,67,50,23,22,31,8,MED_OUTPAT,NASD,26.15,5/15/ >20 > > > > 01,15-Dec > > > > >WBB,2,1,291,95,97,99,0,0,A,C,21,28,64,-14,-1,14,9,BUILD_RES,NYSE,40.11,7/25/ >20 > > > > 01,27-Apr > > > > >TRR,,1,290,99,99,92,-3,-3,B,B,110,71,73,61,65,66,2,POLUTE_SERVICE,NYSE,36.71 >,8 > > > > /16/2001,4-May > > > > >PHM,2,1,289,98,92,99,0,0,B,B,44,60,26,7,9,6,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,44.61,7/25/2001 >,2 > > > > 3-Mar > > > > >IGT,1,1,288,97,93,98,1,0,B,A,20,106,113,59,46,42,7,LEIS_GAMES,NYSE,54.11,7/2 >0/ > > > > 2001,26-Jan > > > > >CHBS,1,1,287,98,98,91,3,-3,A,A,75,56,86,50,44,21,2,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,40.18,6/ >14 > > > > /2001,5-Jan > > > > >CHIC,1,1,287,97,99,91,3,-3,A,A,41,40,52,35,48,33,6,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,34.71,7/ >13 > > > > /2001,13-Apr > > > > >AEOS,1,1,285,96,98,91,3,-3,B,A,114,33,24,48,27,25,3,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,40.05,5 >/1 > > > > 6/2001,30-Mar > > > > >HOTT,1,1,285,98,96,91,3,-3,B,A,93,33,55,48,50,20,3,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,33.23,5/ >15 > > > > /2001,5-Jan > > > > >SRCL,,1,285,97,96,92,-3,-3,B,B,67,32,30,10,46,28,3,POLUTE_SERVICE,NASD,44.71 >,8 > > > > /3/2001,23-Mar > > > > >PVA,,1,284,95,96,93,2,8,B,A,19,88,40,63,60,32,8,ENER_OTH,NYSE,43.99,7/19/200 >1, > > > > 20-Apr > > > > >RJR,,1,284,94,95,95,-3,0,B,C,61,27,25,2,3,17,3,TOBACCO,NYSE,59.52,7/20/2001, >23 > > > > -Feb > > > > >CHS,1,1,283,99,93,91,3,-3,B,A,83,72,87,75,73,27,2,RET_CLOTHES,NYSE,46.1,5/25 >/2 > > > > 001,13-Apr > > > > >CPN,,1,281,99,89,93,2,8,B,A,61,329,200,422,306,66,1,ENER_OTH,NYSE,52.55,7/24 >/2 > > > > 001,20-Apr > > > > >JEC,,1,280,87,96,97,3,4,A,C,16,14,10,15,15,13,10,BUILD_HEAVY,NYSE,69.91,7/18 >/2 > > > > 001,27-Apr > > > > >SGR,,1,280,94,97,89,2,14,B,B,26,27,41,97,178,41,6,METAL_PROCESS,NYSE,57.59,7 >/7 > > > > /2001,27-Apr > > > > >COCO,1,1,279,99,98,82,4,-3,A,A,177,50,58,49,44,55,2,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,43.5,8/ >30 > > > > /2001,11-May > > > > >GMCR,2,1,279,95,99,85,9,-20,A,A,35,44,83,25,38,17,6,RETWHL_FOOD,NASD,31.15,5 >/1 > > > > 6/2001,11-May > > > > >JNY,,1,279,98,93,88,0,-2,A,A,31,136,58,5,4,20,4,TEXT_MFGRS,NYSE,45,4/26/2001 >,9 > > > > -Feb > > > > >CTX,2,1,278,93,86,99,0,0,B,B,30,48,8,15,15,17,6,BUILD_RES,NYSE,42.84,7/25/20 >01 > > > > ,27-Apr > > > > >EVG,1,1,278,97,96,85,7,12,A,A,37,550,250,345,234,206,4,O&G_USEXPL,NYSE,47.72 >,8 > > > > /8/2001,27-Apr > > > > >NYCB,1,1,278,98,97,83,0,5,A,A,22,136,50,202,99,40,7,BANK_NE,NASD,33.59,7/12/ >20 > > > > 01,4-May > > > > >PENN,1,1,278,90,90,98,1,0,B,A,25,25,18,102,101,26,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,18.6,7/2 >5/ > > > > 2001,4-May > > > > >PPDI,1,1,277,95,98,84,9,12,B,A,37,107,11,31,17,35,4,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,62.66,7 >/1 > > > > 9/2001,11-May > > > > >KMX,1,4,276,78,99,99,1,0,A,C,NA,999,333,27,15,13,7,RET_MISC,NYSE,13.06,6/16/ >20 > > > > 01,11-May > > > > >ALLY,1,4,275,78,99,98,1,0,A,-,NA,171,180,19,15,NA,7,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,26.05,8/ >16 > > > > /2001,9-Mar > > > > >ESI,1,1,273,95,96,82,4,-3,A,A,18,25,122,16,21,18,9,COMM_SCHOOL,NYSE,36.95,7/ >13 > > > > /2001,11-May > > > > >ACF,,2,270,99,96,75,-15,-3,A,A,47,71,58,67,58,58,5,FIN_CONSUMER,NYSE,44.27,8 >/3 > > > > /2001,11-May > > > > >APOL,1,1,270,98,90,82,4,-3,A,A,36,40,40,22,24,14,6,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,37.03,6/ >27 > > > > /2001,11-May > > > > >DIAN,1,1,269,96,89,84,9,12,A,B,40,53,47,21,23,39,5,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,40.5,7/2 >1/ > > > > 2001,11-May > > > > >TTI,1,4,269,78,97,94,-1,-1,A,C,NA,600,200,43,40,102,7,O&F_FIELD,NYSE,27.3,7/ >21 > > > > /2001,26-Jan > > > > >KNGT,,1,267,87,94,86,-2,0,A,A,24,22,13,29,16,18,10,TRANS_TRUCK,NASD,27.54,4/ >22 > > > > /2000,5-Jan > > > > >SKX,1,2,266,99,98,69,5,-10,B,A,149,137,225,71,72,52,1,SHOES,NYSE,36.35,8/1/2 >00 > > > > 1,20-Apr > > > > >STRA,1,1,265,87,96,82,4,-3,A,A,15,14,13,12,8,11,10,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,42.47,7/ >25 > > > > /2001,11-May > > > > >EDMC,1,1,264,95,87,82,4,-3,B,A,45,25,21,21,19,24,6,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,33.45,8/ >1/ > > > > 2001,11-May > > > > >KREM,2,2,262,97,92,73,-6,-4,A,A,48,173,35,39,37,25,4,RET_REST,NASD,49.19,5/2 >5/ > > > > 2001,27-Apr > > > > >ATK,1,1,261,84,96,81,-2,-3,B,B,15,14,18,-11,-2,14,10,ELEC_MILITARY,NYSE,97.1 >4, > > > > 5/11/2000,26-Jan > > > > >CEC,2,2,261,94,94,73,-6,-4,B,A,59,29,14,15,13,29,3,RET_REST,NYSE,49.98,7/18/ >20 > > > > 01,27-Apr > > > > >EPIQ,1,2,261,99,99,63,27,32,A,A,61,27,140,43,69,30,3,COMPS_FIN,NASD,27.85,7/ >25 > > > > /2001,11-May > > > > >FED,,2,260,96,93,71,-2,0,B,A,38,43,34,24,23,22,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,30.79,7/27/200 >1, > > > > 20-Apr > > > > >HSIC,1,2,260,94,96,70,-14,-8,B,C,206,37,18,7,4,15,3,MEDDEN_SUPP,NASD,38.75,5 >/1 > > > > /2001,4-May > > > > >UCOR,1,4,259,76,99,84,9,12,A,C,-10,200,999,29,39,-,7,MEDDEN_SERV,NASD,15.39, >7/ > > > > 25/2001,4-May > > > > >BPFH,1,1,258,80,95,83,0,5,A,A,18,40,-17,-*,56,16,9,BANK_NE,NASD,20.95,7/20/2 >00 > > > > 1,4-May > > > > >FLIR,1,4,258,78,99,81,-2,-3,A,E,NA,200,112,38,19,NA,7,ELEC_MILITARY,NASD,14. >4, > > > > 8/15/2001,27-Apr > > > > >XTO,1,4,258,78,95,85,7,12,B,A,NA,342,763,120,85,115,7,O&G_USEXPL,NYSE,28,7/2 >5/ > > > > 2001,4-May > > > > >FDS,1,2,257,99,80,78,-1,1,A,A,39,33,38,32,35,28,6,COMM_MISC,NYSE,38.8,6/13/2 >00 > > > > 1,11-May > > > > >GCO,1,2,257,93,95,69,5,-10,B,A,20,31,44,28,26,17,9,SHOES,NYSE,29.56,5/23/200 >1, > > > > 20-Apr > > > > >QUIX,,2,257,95,97,65,-1,0,A,A,38,28,31,13,25,21,6,DIVERSITY,NASD,28.61,8/15/ >20 > > > > 01,23-Feb > > > > >APPB,2,2,256,93,90,73,-6,-4,B,A,18,21,13,13,5,14,10,RET_REST,NASD,42.89,4/26 >/2 > > > > 001,27-Apr > > > > >DME,,2,256,90,95,71,-2,0,B,A,30,29,5,21,14,15,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,34.48,7/12/2001 >,2 > > > > 0-Apr > > > > >POG,1,4,254,78,91,85,7,12,B,A,NA,110,171,69,47,24,7,O&G_USEXPL,NYSE,27.86,4/ >25 > > > > /2001,20-Apr > > > > >WM,,2,254,93,90,71,-2,0,C,A,38,39,18,25,16,28,6,FIN_S&L,NYSE,53,7/19/2001,20 >-A > > > > pr > > > > >DORL,,2,253,96,97,60,2,-7,B,A,27,33,23,-,32,21,6,FIN_MORTSVCS,NASD,30.77,7/1 >2/ > > > > 2001,11-May > > > > >FLGS,,2,252,85,96,71,-2,0,B,A,15,183,2,-,44,33,7,FIN_S&L,NASD,24.75,7/19/200 >1, > > > > 27-Apr > > > > >HRB,1,2,252,80,94,78,-1,1,A,A,16,186,NA,29,73,10,7,COMM_MISC,NYSE,56.05,6/21 >/2 > > > > 001,11-May > > > > >TTEN,1,4,251,78,88,85,7,12,C,A,NA,978,338,311,374,34,7,O&G_USEXPL,NASD,17.5, >5/ > > > > 17/2001,27-Apr > > > > >ESA,,2,249,99,86,64,-1,3,C,B,66,42,50,18,22,18,3,LEIS_HOTEL,NYSE,16.93,7/25/ >20 > > > > 01,4-May > > > > >IMA,1,4,247,78,98,71,10,-1,B,C,NA,150,633,36,35,30,7,COSMETIC,AMEX,35.34,7/2 >5/ > > > > 2001,11-May > > > > >PCP,,2,246,94,90,62,4,4,A,B,18,36,64,14,43,17,9,AERO_DEF_EQ,NYSE,44.45,7/20/ >20 > > > > 01,11-May >> > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe 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Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus Date: 14 May 2001 22:11:23 CDT Ok, maybe the following information would put you at ease and let us all concentrate on CANSLIM again... :-) The virus you are mentioning which can affect you without opening an attachment is a virus which in theory is possibe, but have never been reported. The theory is around for a few years now and can mainly affect Outlook, or any e-mail client with the ability to display mail in HTML fo= rmat. If the e-mail is in HTML then it also can support AtiveX controls and scripting. Theoritically someone can write a virus with ActiveX which ex= ecute by just opening the e-mail, or even looking at it in the preview pane. E= ven though such a virus was never reported, Microsoft brought out a fix for t= his in Outlook. To disable ActiveX controls in Outlook 2000 and Outlook Expr= ess, do the following: Menu:Tools->Options. Click on the Securiy tab. For Sec= urity Zone chose "Restricted" instead of "Internet". this will disable ActiveX controls and scripting for Outlook and Outlook Express. And now you can v= iew e-mail without being worried of getting a virus. I assume other e-mail cl= ients have a similar option. Here is a link wich explain the theory a little more. Of course you clic= k it at your own risk... :-) = http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2392757,00.html - Fanus "Norman" wrote: > --------------------------------------------- = > Attachment:=A0 = > MIME Type:=A0multipart/alternative = > --------------------------------------------- = Well, I do know if a message has an attachment before I open it - the paperclip! = Wish I had kept the note I received about the virus, worm, or whatever it= was that could infect a system without clicking on an attachment. Just readi= ng it is enough. It was from a reliable source but I have misplaced it or dele= ted it. Maybe Jeff can enlighten us. It's not CANSLIM but is important to a group like this. Norman ----- Original Message ----- = From: Dan = To: canslim@lists.xmission.com = Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus As best that I know, one has to invoke the command, click on the attach= ment to, set forth the multitude. If you think about it, when you open an ema= il, you do not know if there is an attachment or not. Again, I do not know o= f any virii, trojan horse, worm, spirochete that has been found to be associate= d with a jpg, gif, bmp file. = Parenthetically, I have Norton Antivirus, and found that it was not sca= nning incoming email. When it is configured correctly, there is a little envel= ope outline down next to the Netscape symbol, another envelope symbol, that = when it is scanning, one sees an animated arrow moving up and down. Message = is: = if it is functioning, you can see a visual representation. = Dan = Norman wrote: = I think this is correct, for the most part. However, I have read abo= ut some = virri (?) that can infect your system just by opening them. Have not= seen 1 = or even know anyone that has been infected this way tho. = Norman Boyd = ----- Original Message ----- = From: = To: = Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 9:44 AM = Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus = > Ann, Perry, Norman, Dan and Canslimmers everywhere: = > = > I am not a computer whiz or guru, but I believe this is correc= t: = Even = > if you download to your computer from the Net (for exp., in Canslim= , if you = > download a graph or a spreadsheet), so long as you don't OPEN the = downloaded = > file (for exp., if you delete the file before opening it), your com= puter will = > not be/get infected. = > = > Jeff, if you're familiar with virus-predicaments: Am I correc= t? = > = > = > = > In a message dated 5/14/2001 7:37:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = > theboyd@tisd.net writes: = > = > << Evidently the virus hasn't been going out to everyone on the lis= t. = My = > up-to-date Norton AV hasn't detected any viruses for months and I = have read = > all the posts from this group. = > = > Norman Boyd = > = > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: "Ann Hollingworth" = > To: = > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 6:23 AM = > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus = > = > = > > I believe that my Norton Antivirus software "quarantined" the vi= rus. Then = > I = > > sent it (an option in the software) back to the Symantec website= for > > analysis. I performed a virus scan and seem to be virus-(worm) f= ree. Hope = > > and trust that I didn't send it to anyone. = > > Ann = > > ----- Original Message ----- = > > From: "Perry Stanfield" = > > To: = > > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 2:18 AM = > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus = > > = > > = > > > Hello, = > > > = > > > Yes, I've seen an increased amount of spam and junk since subscribing = to = > > > this list and many others. I never got around to loading my = antivirus = > > > software after reformating my hd at Christmas, and I did see t= he Snow = > > White = > > > email, (yes I opened it (dough!!)) mailed to me several times.= = But = > > nothing = > > > bad has happened to my PC. = > > > = > > > The discussions here prompted me to load my McAfee software....would = > not = > > > load......hmmmm. = > > > = > > > Subscribed online to a neat self-updating service McAfee sells= =2E = Before = > > > that, did a free online scan.........found 5 viruses. One of = them is = on = > > the = > > > top 10, sure enough, it described the snow white picture of th= e = email. = > > > = > > > This is a worm that once gets into a computer via email, will quietly = > > spread = > > > via your (my) address book with a dummy return address. This = would > > include = > > > anyone on this list, since canslim@lists.xmission.com is in my= and your = > > > address book. There is an extensive report on this virus in = McAfee's = > > > library. = > > > = > > > I don't know if am the original problem or not. Looking back,= I = > received = > > > this virus on May 1. The virus is a lot older than that. = > > > Been surfing since 1995, never had this happen to me. = > > > = > > > Goes without saying that anyone on this list should have activ= e, = > effective = > > > antivirus software. If you don't, we are all susceptible to h= avoc. > > > = > > > Perry = > > > = > > > = > > > ----- Original Message ----- = > > > From: "Dan" = > > > To: = > > > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:58 AM = > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] virus = > > > = > > > = > > > > I have not heard of, seen, or experienced any virus, etc associated = > with = > > a = > > > jpg, = > > > > gif, or bmp file. Has anyone? = > > > > = > > > > Spencer48@aol.com wrote: = > > > > = > > > > > Ann: = > > > > > = > > > > > Very good reason why I rarely open any downloads-even= from > > > Canslimmers. = > > > > > Even though I believe the Canslimmers will give useful inf= o in the = > > > graphs or = > > > > > data they send, what one must worry about nowadays is whet= her the = > > files = > > > that = > > > > > are sent are UNKNOWINGLY infected. And I'm afraid that th= e virus = or = > > > trojan = > > > > > will be too new for Norton to identify/eradicate it, or th= at I will = > > > forget to = > > > > > use Norton to scan it before opening. = > > > > > = > > > > > jans = > > > > > = > > > > > In a message dated 5/12/2001 11:14:43 AM Eastern Daylight = Time, > > > > > annholly@mediaone.net writes: = > > > > > = > > > > > << Just got a virus, after receiving several pieces of jun= k mail. = > The = > > > virus = > > > > > was = > > > > > something about Snow White, put something entitled sexy = virgin.scr = > in = > > > my = > > > > > TEMP folder. I seem to have solved it, thanks to = Norton/Symantec. = > > Watch = > > > out. = > > > > > I hope I didn't inadvertently send it out to list. (scann= ed = before = > > > mailing = > > > > > this) = > > > > > = > > > > > Ann >> = > > > > > >> = > = > - = > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" = > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or = > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. = > = > = - = -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" = -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or = -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the ema= il body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quo= tes in your email. = ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] Market Indicator Date: 14 May 2001 22:13:56 -0600 Ok, finally a fool proof market indicator. Someone e mailed me this today. Tiger did play this weekend and the Dow did go up - "I was watching SportsCenter and apparently after 19 consecutive U.S.-based golf tournaments in which Tiger Woods has participated, the Dow Jones has risen on the Monday following the tournament." - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] "M" Date: 15 May 2001 07:54:33 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0DD14.48139060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anybody else noticing that most major indexes have been showing = declining, and below average, volume for over a week now? Don't know if = it's simply caution ahead of today's FOMC meeting, or we are starting = the summer doldrums early. Either way doesn't bode well for the broker = dealers, who need volume to make money. I also hear anecdotal comments = that the full implementation of decimal pricing has significantly cut = into their profits from the spread. I predicted a month ago that today's FOMC meeting would result in a = quarter point cut. I still think that is the more likely outcome, = however the continued fall in manufacturing activity (which was of = concern to the Feds at the last meeting) along with the rapid increase = of unemployment may still pull off a half pt cut. Anything less, and = looks like sentiment will tank the market short term. If they cut half a point, I expect a more neutral announcement, = indicating they will now sit back and watch for awhile, and likely are = done cutting this year. If they cut a qtr pt, then I would expect more = vigilant words, indicating the probability of a further qtr pt cut at = the June meeting. Either way, we'll know about 2:15 PM today. Then we can see how the = markets handle it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0DD14.48139060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anybody else noticing that most major indexes have = been=20 showing declining, and below average, volume for over a week now? Don't = know if=20 it's simply caution ahead of today's FOMC meeting, or we are starting = the summer=20 doldrums early. Either way doesn't bode well for the broker dealers, who = need=20 volume to make money. I also hear anecdotal comments that the full=20 implementation of decimal pricing has significantly cut into their = profits from=20 the spread.
 
I predicted a month ago that today's FOMC meeting = would result=20 in a quarter point cut. I still think that is the more likely outcome, = however=20 the continued fall in manufacturing activity (which was of concern to = the Feds=20 at the last meeting) along with the rapid increase of unemployment may = still=20 pull off a half pt cut. Anything less, and looks like sentiment will = tank the=20 market short term.
 
If they cut half a point, I expect a more neutral=20 announcement, indicating they will now sit back and watch for awhile, = and likely=20 are done cutting this year. If they cut a qtr pt, then I would expect = more=20 vigilant words, indicating the probability of a further qtr pt cut at = the June=20 meeting.
 
Either way, we'll know about 2:15 PM today. Then we = can see=20 how the markets handle it.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0DD14.48139060-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 15 May 2001 07:12:39 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD38.55AAFC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the answers. I forgot to ask about how much time for questions and answers, but I can now see that there couldn't have been any. How about hard work and QUICK decision making. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:38 PM Sounds like you could say there are no easy answers to CANSLIM, just a lot of hard work and decision making? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:03 PM It was a lot of money for the day. There were about 700 people attending, I was curious about that too, and counted the rows and people in them, it was a sell-out. I have been using CANSLIM for at least 5 years, although I am not a purist. I wanted to go because I am clearly more successful following CANSLIM than when I stray. I NEED THE DISCIPLINE POUNDED INTO ME. Tough question about how much money you should have invested to make this worthwhile. There was a man next to me that was pleased that he made $10,000 last year on and initial bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more. There were people that claimed to have made hundreds of thousands of dollars. Just about every single person there was a subscriber of Investors Business Daily, many to DGO, many to the graph books, all wanting to hone their skills. I had the feeling there were no novices. I guess you had to be a believer to fork out $795. This may not make sense----I felt it was expensive but if I see the seminare offered again in a year or two, I would probably sign up again. "Dempsey, Chris" wrote: It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you need to have invested, to make this seminar worth while? -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:07 PM I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City. Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received. I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point. Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up. WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them. It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals. Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys. If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask. Steve _____ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? _____ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD38.55AAFC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Thanks for the answers. I forgot to ask about how much time for questions and answers, but I can now see that there couldn't have been any.
 
How about hard work and QUICK decision making.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:38 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar

Sounds like you could say there are no easy answers to CANSLIM, just a lot of hard work and decision making?
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve F
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:03 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar

It was a lot of money for the day.  There were about 700 people attending,  I was curious about that too, and counted the rows and people in them, it was a sell-out.  I have been using CANSLIM for at least 5 years, although I am not a purist.   I wanted to go because I am clearly more successful following CANSLIM than when I stray.  I NEED THE DISCIPLINE POUNDED INTO ME.   Tough question about how much money you should have invested to make this worthwhile.  There was a man next to me that was pleased that he made $10,000 last year on and initial bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more.   There were people that claimed to have made hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Just about every single person there was a subscriber of Investors Business Daily, many to DGO, many to the graph books,  all wanting to hone their skills.  I had the feeling there were no novices.   I guess you had to be a believer to fork out $795.   This may not make sense----I felt it was expensive but if I see the seminare offered again in a year or two, I would probably sign up again.

  "Dempsey, Chris" <cdempsey@houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:



It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you need to have invested, to make this seminar worth while?


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:07 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar


 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City.   Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received.  I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point.  Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up.   WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them.  It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals.


Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys.


If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask.


Steve


 


 


 





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Maybe it does matter - we have seen a lot of failed breakouts lately. Another example: PENN is CS stock - has the fundies and the chart. B/O'ed on great volume, has been pulling back on lower volume. Look at this link: http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=PENN&range=7&mgp=0&i=3&hdate &x=9&y=8 According to Thompson's institutions are selling into strength. I would guess that not the selling itself but the relative amount of selling that matters. But how do you determine that? Any thoughts? Another one: http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=ESI&range=30&mgp=0&i=3&hdate &x=1&y=9 Notice how stock rose sharply while institutions were selling. Compare that to the action of the last couple of weeks: supposely institutions are accumulating, but the stock is barely moving. What do you think about this one? Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 15 May 2001 06:38:50 -0700 (PDT) --0-221057993-989933930=:7079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There was about an hour at the end of the day and several short periods during the day for questions and answers. With 700 people there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were answered. The word seminar to me, implied that it would be in small groups with opportunity to ask questions but that was not to be. In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem to be negative and I don;t want to give that impression. I really did enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go again. I just think that for the cost, I expected more. "Dempsey, Chris" wrote: Thanks for the answers. I forgot to ask about how much time for questions and answers, but I can now see that there couldn't have been any. How about hard work and QUICK decision making. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:38 PM Sounds like you could say there are no easy answers to CANSLIM, just a lot of hard work and decision making? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:03 PM It was a lot of money for the day. There were about 700 people attending, I was curious about that too, and counted the rows and people in them, it was a sell-out. I have been using CANSLIM for at least 5 years, although I am not a purist. I wanted to go because I am clearly more successful following CANSLIM than when I stray. I NEED THE DISCIPLINE POUNDED INTO ME. Tough question about how much money you should have invested to make this worthwhile. There was a man next to me that was pleased that he made $10,000 last year on and initial bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more. There were people that claimed to have made hundreds of thousands of dollars. Just about every single person there was a subscriber of Investors Business Daily, many to DGO, many to the graph books, all wanting to hone their skills. I had the feeling there were no novices. I guess you had to be a believer to fork out $795. This may not make sense----I felt it was expensive but if I see the seminare offered again in a year or two, I would probably sign up again. "Dempsey, Chris" wrote: It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you need to have invested, to make this seminar worth while? -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:07 PM I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City. Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received. I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point. Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up. WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them. It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals. Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys. If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask. Steve Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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 There was about an hour at the end of the day and several short periods during the day for questions and answers.   With 700 people there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were answered.  The word seminar to me, implied that it would be in small groups with opportunity to ask questions but that was not to be.  

In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem to be negative and I don;t want to give that impression.   I really did enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go again.   I just think that for the cost, I expected more.

  "Dempsey, Chris" <cdempsey@houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:





Thanks for the answers. I forgot to ask about how much time for questions and answers, but I can now see that there couldn't have been any.

 

How about hard work and QUICK decision making.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:38 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar


Sounds like you could say there are no easy answers to CANSLIM, just a lot of hard work and decision making?

 


 

 


----- Original Message -----

From: Steve F


Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:03 PM

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar



It was a lot of money for the day.  There were about 700 people attending,  I was curious about that too, and counted the rows and people in them, it was a sell-out.  I have been using CANSLIM for at least 5 years, although I am not a purist.   I wanted to go because I am clearly more successful following CANSLIM than when I stray.  I NEED THE DISCIPLINE POUNDED INTO ME.   Tough question about how much money you should have invested to make this worthwhile.  There was a man next to me that was pleased that he made $10,000 last year on and initial bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more.   There were people that claimed to have made hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Just about every single person there was a subscriber of Investors Business Daily, many to DGO, many to the graph books,  all wanting to hone their skills.  I had the feeling there were no novices.   I guess you had to be a believer to fork out $795.   This may not make sense----I felt it was expensive but if I see the seminare offered again in a year or two, I would probably sign up again.

  "Dempsey, Chris" <cdempsey@houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:





It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you need to have invested, to make this seminar worth while?




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:07 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar



 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City.   Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received.  I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point.  Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up.   WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them.  It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals.



Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys.



If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask.



Steve



 



 



 








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Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? --0-221057993-989933930=:7079-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Lumpkin Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 15 May 2001 08:36:56 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD44.1BE6BDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve, For what it's worth, I attended the seminar and have pretty much the same feelings as you. I would attend it again sometime, but would hope WON would spend more time on selling rules. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:39 AM There was about an hour at the end of the day and several short periods during the day for questions and answers. With 700 people there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were answered. The word seminar to me, implied that it would be in small groups with opportunity to ask questions but that was not to be. In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem to be negative and I don;t want to give that impression. I really did enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go again. I just think that for the cost, I expected more. "Dempsey, Chris" wrote: Thanks for the answers. I forgot to ask about how much time for questions and answers, but I can now see that there couldn't have been any. How about hard work and QUICK decision making. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:38 PM Sounds like you could say there are no easy answers to CANSLIM, just a lot of hard work and decision making? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:03 PM It was a lot of money for the day. There were about 700 people attending, I was curious about that too, and counted the rows and people in them, it was a sell-out. I have been using CANSLIM for at least 5 years, although I am not a purist. I wanted to go because I am clearly more successful following CANSLIM than when I stray. I NEED THE DISCIPLINE POUNDED INTO ME. Tough question about how much money you should have invested to make this worthwhile. There was a man next to me that was pleased that he made $10,000 last year on and initial bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more. There were people that claimed to have made hundreds of thousands of dollars. Just about every single person there was a subscriber of Investors Business Daily, many to DGO, many to the graph books, all wanting to hone their skills. I had the feeling there were no novices. I guess you had to be a believer to fork out $795. This may not make sense----I felt it was expensive but if I see the seminare offered again in a year or two, I would probably sign up again. "Dempsey, Chris" wrote: It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How long have you been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have the less the seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? Also how many helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you need to have invested, to make this seminar worth while? -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:07 PM I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar today in New York City. Although it was interesting, and the day flew by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value received. I am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest point. Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a stock has moved up. WON spent an unusual amount of time talking about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them. It was the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although there was some discussion of other sell signals. Interesting also to note that he specifically stated that big caps should now be included in considering stocks for investment as they have lead the recent rallys. If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, feel free to ask. Steve _____ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? _____ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? _____ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD44.1BE6BDC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve,
 
For=20 what it's worth, I attended the seminar and have pretty much the same = feelings=20 as you.  I would attend it again sometime, but would hope WON = would spend=20 more time on selling rules. 
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve F=20 [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 = 8:39=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: = [CANSLIM]=20 IBD Advance Investment Seminar

 There was about an hour at the end of the day and several = short=20 periods during the day for questions and answers.   With = 700 people=20 there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were = answered.  The=20 word seminar to me, implied that it would be in small groups with = opportunity=20 to ask questions but that was not to be.  =20

In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem = to be=20 negative and I don;t want to give that impression.   I = really=20 did enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go = again.   I just=20 think that for the cost, I expected more.=20

  "Dempsey, Chris"=20 <cdempsey@houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:




Thanks for the answers. I forgot to ask about how much = time for=20 questions and answers, but I can now see that there couldn't have = been=20 any.

 

How about hard work and QUICK decision=20 making.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley=20 [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 = 7:38=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar =


Sounds like you could say there are no easy = answers to=20 CANSLIM, just a lot of hard work and decision = making?

 

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net

 

 


----- Original Message ----- =

From:=20 Steve F=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20

Sent: Monday, May 14, = 2001 8:03=20 PM

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = IBD Advance=20 Investment Seminar



It was a lot of money for the day.  There were = about 700=20 people attending,  I was curious about that too, and = counted the=20 rows and people in them, it was a sell-out.  I have been = using=20 CANSLIM for at least 5 years, although I am not a = purist.   I=20 wanted to go because I am clearly more successful following = CANSLIM than=20 when I stray.  I NEED THE DISCIPLINE POUNDED INTO=20 ME.   Tough question about how much money you = should have=20 invested to make this worthwhile.  There was a man next to = me that=20 was pleased that he made $10,000 last year on and initial = bankroll of=20 $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more.   = There were=20 people that claimed to have made hundreds of thousands of = dollars. =20 Just about every single person there was a subscriber of = Investors=20 Business Daily, many to DGO, many to the graph books,  all = wanting=20 to hone their skills.  I had the feeling there were no=20 novices.   I guess you had to be a believer to fork = out=20 $795.   This may not make sense----I felt it was = expensive but=20 if I see the seminare offered again in a year or two, I would = probably=20 sign up again.

  "Dempsey, Chris"=20 <cdempsey@houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote: =





It sounds like you were a little disappointed. How = long have=20 you been using CANSLIM? Maybe the more experience you have = the less=20 the seminar would help. I'm curious how many people attended? = Also how=20 many helped WON? In your opinion how much money would you = need to have=20 invested, to make this seminar worth=20 while?




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve F = [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, May = 12, 2001=20 8:07 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20



 I attended the IBD Advance Investment Seminar = today in New=20 York City.   Although it was interesting, and the = day flew=20 by, the $795 fee was kind of steep for the value = received.  I=20 am always looking for help with selling, always my weakest=20 point.  Not the 8% loss on fresh money but once a = stock has=20 moved up.   WON spent an unusual amount of time = talking=20 about about blow-off tops and how to recognize them.  = It was=20 the major focus of the segment of correct selling, although = there=20 was some discussion of other sell signals.



Interesting also to note that he specifically stated = that big=20 caps should now be included in considering stocks for = investment as=20 they have lead the recent rallys.



If anyone has any specific questions about the seminar, = feel free=20 to ask.



Steve



 



 



 








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Yahoo!=20 Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to=20 sell? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD44.1BE6BDC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: [CANSLIM] Small Cap Stocks Date: 15 May 2001 06:50:05 -0700 (PDT) --0-271440137-989934605=:7045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Note that under 'The Big Picture' column in todays Investors Business Daily a comment is made that small caps are leading the market higher. I point this out because small caps seem to be of particular interest to Tom but I should also assume that most posters here subscribe to Investors Business Daily Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? --0-271440137-989934605=:7045 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Note that under 'The Big Picture' column in todays Investors Business Daily a comment is made that small caps are leading the market higher.   I point this out because small caps seem to be of particular interest to Tom but I should also assume that most posters here subscribe to Investors Business Daily


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At 08:45 AM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Tom and everyone, > >I've been trying analyze the data on Thompson's site to figure out how it >can be used to aid in stock selection. >check this out: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=WMS&range=7&mgp=0&hdate >=&hdate=&x=9&y=10 > >Hypothetical question: would you buy a stock if you saw this kind of >distribution? This disturbs me and I don't think I would buy. >The problem is that the majority of breakouts that I have seen display the >same kind of pattern. >Does this really matter? Maybe not - there is always profit taking around >the new highs. Maybe it does matter - we have seen a lot of failed >breakouts lately. > >Another example: PENN is CS stock - has the fundies and the chart. B/O'ed >on great volume, has been pulling back on lower volume. >Look at this link: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=PENN&range=7&mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=9&y=8 > >According to Thompson's institutions are selling into strength. I would >guess that not the selling itself but the relative amount of selling that >matters. >But how do you determine that? Any thoughts? > >Another one: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=ESI&range=30&mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=1&y=9 >Notice how stock rose sharply while institutions were selling. Compare >that to the action of the last couple of weeks: supposely institutions are >accumulating, but the stock is barely moving. What do you think about this >one? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" + ROIL and PXD bo Date: 15 May 2001 10:27:34 -0400 I know I know... This contradiction bothers me.... Btw, ROIL and PXD seem to be breaking out. DISCL: I am in. esetser @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 10:12:31 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I only looked at the first chart, but it seems to me to contradict some of WON's teaching. You are showing high volume and the price moving up. I find it hard to believe this is indicative of "institutional selling". It seems to me that it is likely to be exactly the opposite! I guess my view is this, if a stock will charge up 15% when the institutions are showing selling, then great!, give me stocks that are showing institutional selling!! At 08:45 AM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Tom and everyone, > >I've been trying analyze the data on Thompson's site to figure out how it >can be used to aid in stock selection. >check this out: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=WMS&range=7&mgp=0&hdate >=&hdate=&x=9&y=10 > >Hypothetical question: would you buy a stock if you saw this kind of >distribution? This disturbs me and I don't think I would buy. >The problem is that the majority of breakouts that I have seen display the >same kind of pattern. >Does this really matter? Maybe not - there is always profit taking around >the new highs. Maybe it does matter - we have seen a lot of failed >breakouts lately. > >Another example: PENN is CS stock - has the fundies and the chart. B/O'ed >on great volume, has been pulling back on lower volume. >Look at this link: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=PENN&range=7&mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=9&y=8 > >According to Thompson's institutions are selling into strength. I would >guess that not the selling itself but the relative amount of selling that >matters. >But how do you determine that? Any thoughts? > >Another one: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=ESI&range=30&mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=1&y=9 >Notice how stock rose sharply while institutions were selling. Compare >that to the action of the last couple of weeks: supposely institutions are >accumulating, but the stock is barely moving. What do you think about this >one? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David S. Pinhasik" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" + ROIL and PXD bo Date: 15 May 2001 18:08:45 +0300 I don't remember seeing these mentioned on this list. Could you list some cansli fundies? David ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 5:27 PM > > I know I know... This contradiction bothers me.... > > Btw, ROIL and PXD seem to be breaking out. DISCL: I am in. > > > > > > esetser @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 10:12:31 AM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" > > > I only looked at the first chart, but it seems to me to contradict some of > WON's teaching. You are showing high volume and the price moving up. I > find it hard to believe this is indicative of "institutional selling". It > seems to me that it is likely to be exactly the opposite! I guess my view > is this, if a stock will charge up 15% when the institutions are showing > selling, then great!, give me stocks that are showing institutional > selling!! > > > > At 08:45 AM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Hi Tom and everyone, > > > >I've been trying analyze the data on Thompson's site to figure out how it > >can be used to aid in stock selection. > >check this out: > >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=WMS&range=7&mgp=0&hdate > >=&hdate=&x=9&y=10 > > > >Hypothetical question: would you buy a stock if you saw this kind of > >distribution? This disturbs me and I don't think I would buy. > >The problem is that the majority of breakouts that I have seen display the > >same kind of pattern. > >Does this really matter? Maybe not - there is always profit taking around > >the new highs. Maybe it does matter - we have seen a lot of failed > >breakouts lately. > > > >Another example: PENN is CS stock - has the fundies and the chart. B/O'ed > >on great volume, has been pulling back on lower volume. > >Look at this link: > >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=PENN&range=7&mgp=0&i=3&h > > date > > > >&x=9&y=8 > > > >According to Thompson's institutions are selling into strength. I would > >guess that not the selling itself but the relative amount of selling that > >matters. > >But how do you determine that? Any thoughts? > > > >Another one: > >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=ESI&range=30&mgp=0&i=3&h > > date > > > >&x=1&y=9 > >Notice how stock rose sharply while institutions were selling. Compare > >that to the action of the last couple of weeks: supposely institutions are > >accumulating, but the stock is barely moving. What do you think about > this > >one? > > > >Anna > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 11:46:51 -0400 What monitoring tools do you users use to catch CANSLIM stocks at the buy point? Do you feel that real time alerts are necessary or do most of you use End Of Day data? Thanks, Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 11:51:21 -0400 Try http://www.quotetracker.com Anna "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 11:46:51 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: What monitoring tools do you users use to catch CANSLIM stocks at the buy point? Do you feel that real time alerts are necessary or do most of you use End Of Day data? Thanks, Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Lumpkin Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 10:44:58 -0500 Rick, I feel that real time alerts are necessary. Of the stocks that I've bought within recent memory, most were past the pivot and extended in price b4 the end of the day. I use e-Signal, but I think there are less expensive alternatives. Tony -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:47 AM What monitoring tools do you users use to catch CANSLIM stocks at the buy point? Do you feel that real time alerts are necessary or do most of you use End Of Day data? Thanks, Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 11:59:43 -0400 Tony, I have Esignal Realtime also. My subscription is limited to 50 realtime symbols. Do you find this symbol limit is a problem? Thanks, Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tony Lumpkin Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:45 AM Rick, I feel that real time alerts are necessary. Of the stocks that I've bought within recent memory, most were past the pivot and extended in price b4 the end of the day. I use e-Signal, but I think there are less expensive alternatives. Tony -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:47 AM What monitoring tools do you users use to catch CANSLIM stocks at the buy point? Do you feel that real time alerts are necessary or do most of you use End Of Day data? Thanks, Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tony Lumpkin Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 11:00:00 -0500 Rick, I had a 500 symbol limit and just recently "downgraded" to the 50 symbol limit. I haven't had a problem yet, but generally, I'm not tracking more than 25 - 30 stocks at a time. Tony -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:00 AM Tony, I have Esignal Realtime also. My subscription is limited to 50 realtime symbols. Do you find this symbol limit is a problem? Thanks, Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tony Lumpkin Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:45 AM Rick, I feel that real time alerts are necessary. Of the stocks that I've bought within recent memory, most were past the pivot and extended in price b4 the end of the day. I use e-Signal, but I think there are less expensive alternatives. Tony -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:47 AM What monitoring tools do you users use to catch CANSLIM stocks at the buy point? Do you feel that real time alerts are necessary or do most of you use End Of Day data? Thanks, Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 12:17:01 -0400 Anna, Has QT been reliable? Any complaints/shortcomings? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of asosis@ca.ibm.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:51 AM Try http://www.quotetracker.com Anna "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 11:46:51 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: What monitoring tools do you users use to catch CANSLIM stocks at the buy point? Do you feel that real time alerts are necessary or do most of you use End Of Day data? Thanks, Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 15 May 2001 09:27:06 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0DD21.3568BE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder how it compares to the free IBD seminars he's had in the past. = I would assume the Advanced seminar covered much more detail. I went to = a free one last year and found it quite good. He covered most of the = basics of canslim. He showed how to efficiently scan IBD for picks. Also = had some of the WON products for sale. I picked up the "When to Sell" = audio cassette which is very good btw. Did he go into stock selection with an emphasis on chart reading? -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 There was about an hour at the end of the day and several short = periods during the day for questions and answers. With 700 people = there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were answered. = The word seminar to me, implied that it would be in small groups with = opportunity to ask questions but that was not to be. =20 In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem to = be negative and I don;t want to give that impression. I really did = enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go again. I just think = that for the cost, I expected more.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0DD21.3568BE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I wonder how it compares to the free = IBD seminars=20 he's had in the past. I would assume the Advanced seminar covered much = more=20 detail. I went to a free one last year and found it quite good. He = covered most=20 of the basics of canslim. He showed how to efficiently scan IBD for = picks. Also=20 had some of the WON products for sale. I picked up the "When to Sell" = audio=20 cassette which is very good btw.
 
Did he go into stock selection with an = emphasis on=20 chart reading?
 
-Bill Triffet
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = F=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 = 6:38 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD = Advance=20 Investment Seminar

 There was about an hour at the end of the day and several = short=20 periods during the day for questions and answers.   With 700 = people=20 there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were = answered.  The=20 word seminar to me, implied that it would be in small groups with = opportunity=20 to ask questions but that was not to be.  =20

In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem = to be=20 negative and I don;t want to give that impression.   I = really=20 did enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go = again.   I just=20 think that for the cost, I expected more. =

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C0DD21.3568BE10-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 12:23:12 -0400 It's good. Anna "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 12:17:01 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Anna, Has QT been reliable? Any complaints/shortcomings? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of asosis@ca.ibm.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:51 AM Try http://www.quotetracker.com Anna "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 11:46:51 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: What monitoring tools do you users use to catch CANSLIM stocks at the buy point? Do you feel that real time alerts are necessary or do most of you use End Of Day data? Thanks, Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 15 May 2001 09:49:26 -0700 Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on my HGS list. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "walter nusbaum" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 15 May 2001 12:28:12 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C0DD3A.81FF2E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 (SNIP) There was a man next to me that was pleased that he made $10,000 last = year on and initial bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn = more. =20 Steve, If he doubled his account in 2000, maybe HE should have been giving = the seminar. Walt " ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C0DD3A.81FF2E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = F=20
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:03 = PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD = Advance=20 Investment Seminar
(SNIP)

 There was a man next to me that was pleased that he made = $10,000 last=20 year on and initial bankroll of $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to = learn=20 more.  =20

Steve,

If he doubled his account in 2000, = maybe HE=20 should have been giving the seminar.

Walt

 

 

  "

------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C0DD3A.81FF2E80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 13:29:35 -0400 QuoteTracker is great. Just be sure to click on the ads so it stays free :) -- Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rick Parsons > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:17 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT > > > Anna, > Has QT been reliable? Any complaints/shortcomings? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of asosis@ca.ibm.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:51 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT > > > > Try > > http://www.quotetracker.com > > Anna > > > > "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on > 05/15/2001 11:46:51 AM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: > cc: > Subject: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT > > > What monitoring tools do you users use to catch CANSLIM stocks at the buy > point? Do you feel that real time alerts are necessary or do most of you > use End Of Day data? > > Thanks, > Rick > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] Foolish 8 (semi-off-topic) Date: 15 May 2001 10:37:56 -0700 Was cruising some screens, and the Foolish 8 screen at Quicken.com looks interesting; 3-4 CANSLIM stocks show up; the top stocks were: SKE PQUE EPIQ MTON FEIC FRNT SEI POG FHRX CATT Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 10:45:15 -0700 (PDT) I have Datek streamer and the QT. I configured QT to pull the quotes from Datek. I use QT because the alerts are easier to configure and it can send email alerts to my pager (cell phone). Datek can't email alerts. I really missed that feature when I left Etrade. I have used QT for probably 2 months, no complaints. It lets you know when it has an update for the software. I am currently watching about 40 stocks - more to test QT than to juggle investments. I am 100% invested. I like the leave II displays for individual stocks that show all the ECNs. Datek just shows Island. With this many symbols, over a 56k modem, the prices update about once per minute. Good enough for me. If I ever want to watch tick by tick (not very CANSLIM) I can close QT and fire up Streamer. Regards Kent Norman --- Rick Parsons wrote: > Anna, > Has QT been reliable? Any complaints/shortcomings? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of asosis@ca.ibm.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:51 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY > POINT > > > > Try > > http://www.quotetracker.com > > Anna > > > > "Rick Parsons" > @lists.xmission.com on > 05/15/2001 11:46:51 AM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: > cc: > Subject: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT > > > What monitoring tools do you users use to catch > CANSLIM stocks at the buy > point? Do you feel that real time alerts are > necessary or do most of you > use End Of Day data? > > Thanks, > Rick > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 10:47:35 -0700 (PDT) By the end of day, a lot of opportunities have passed. Regards Kent Norman --- Rick Parsons wrote: > What monitoring tools do you users use to catch > CANSLIM stocks at the buy > point? Do you feel that real time alerts are > necessary or do most of you > use End Of Day data? > > Thanks, > Rick > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 13:49:11 -0400 My impression from the QT website is that it is realtime "quotes", not realtime charting. Do alerts work in realtime mode without the need to manually "refresh" the quotes? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of asosis@ca.ibm.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:23 PM It's good. Anna "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 12:17:01 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Anna, Has QT been reliable? Any complaints/shortcomings? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of asosis@ca.ibm.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:51 AM Try http://www.quotetracker.com Anna "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 11:46:51 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: What monitoring tools do you users use to catch CANSLIM stocks at the buy point? Do you feel that real time alerts are necessary or do most of you use End Of Day data? Thanks, Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 15 May 2001 13:54:33 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0DD46.9216F080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, Could you share Won's ideas for "efficiently scanning IBD for Picks"? Thanks, Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Triffet Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:27 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 I wonder how it compares to the free IBD seminars he's had in the = past. I would assume the Advanced seminar covered much more detail. I = went to a free one last year and found it quite good. He covered most of = the basics of canslim. He showed how to efficiently scan IBD for picks. = Also had some of the WON products for sale. I picked up the "When to = Sell" audio cassette which is very good btw. Did he go into stock selection with an emphasis on chart reading? -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 There was about an hour at the end of the day and several short = periods during the day for questions and answers. With 700 people = there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were answered. = The word seminar to me, implied that it would be in small groups with = opportunity to ask questions but that was not to be. =20 In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem to = be negative and I don;t want to give that impression. I really did = enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go again. I just think = that for the cost, I expected more.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0DD46.9216F080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,
Could you share Won's ideas for "efficiently = scanning IBD=20 for Picks"?
 
Thanks,
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill=20 Triffet
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:27 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD = Advance=20 Investment Seminar

I wonder how it compares to the free = IBD seminars=20 he's had in the past. I would assume the Advanced seminar covered much = more=20 detail. I went to a free one last year and found it quite good. He = covered=20 most of the basics of canslim. He showed how to efficiently scan IBD = for=20 picks. Also had some of the WON products for sale. I picked up the = "When to=20 Sell" audio cassette which is very good btw.
 
Did he go into stock selection with = an emphasis=20 on chart reading?
 
-Bill Triffet
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve F=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 = 6:38=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD = Advance=20 Investment Seminar

 There was about an hour at the end of the day and several = short=20 periods during the day for questions and answers.   With = 700=20 people there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were=20 answered.  The word seminar to me, implied that it would be in = small=20 groups with opportunity to ask questions but that was not to = be.  =20

In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem = to be=20 negative and I don;t want to give that impression.   = I really=20 did enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go = again.   I=20 just think that for the cost, I expected more.=20

------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0DD46.9216F080-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 14:08:45 -0400 You can use QT for streaming quotes from DATEK. It updates prices in real time directly from the same sources as DATEK's own streamer. With the latest version you can even place orders directly through QT. I never go to the DATEK web site or streamer anymore. I've used QT for years and found it to be very stable and well-supported software. -- Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kent Norman > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:45 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT > > > I have Datek streamer and the QT. I configured QT to > pull the quotes from Datek. I use QT because the > alerts are easier to configure and it can send email > alerts to my pager (cell phone). Datek can't email > alerts. I really missed that feature when I left > Etrade. > > I have used QT for probably 2 months, no complaints. > It lets you know when it has an update for the > software. > > I am currently watching about 40 stocks - more to test > QT than to juggle investments. I am 100% invested. > > I like the leave II displays for individual stocks > that show all the ECNs. Datek just shows Island. > > With this many symbols, over a 56k modem, the prices > update about once per minute. Good enough for me. > > If I ever want to watch tick by tick (not very > CANSLIM) I can close QT and fire up Streamer. > > Regards > Kent Norman - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 11:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Yes it shows real time quotes. You do not have to refresh. It gives you a list of brokerages to pick from as the source of data. It does have primitive real time charting. Not much more than bid, ask and last price channels with volume. When I want more detailed real time chart, I use my Datek account. Regards Kent Norman --- Rick Parsons wrote: > My impression from the QT website is that it is > realtime "quotes", not > realtime charting. > Do alerts work in realtime mode without the need to > manually "refresh" the > quotes? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of asosis@ca.ibm.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:23 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY > POINT > > > > It's good. > > Anna > > > > "Rick Parsons" > @lists.xmission.com on > 05/15/2001 12:17:01 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY > POINT > > > Anna, > Has QT been reliable? Any > complaints/shortcomings? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of asosis@ca.ibm.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:51 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY > POINT > > > > Try > > http://www.quotetracker.com > > Anna > > > > "Rick Parsons" > @lists.xmission.com on > 05/15/2001 11:46:51 AM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: > cc: > Subject: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT > > > What monitoring tools do you users use to catch > CANSLIM stocks at the buy > point? Do you feel that real time alerts are > necessary or do most of you > use End Of Day data? > > Thanks, > Rick > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 15 May 2001 11:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Probably just beginners luck - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes Kent Norman --- walter nusbaum wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:03 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment > Seminar > (SNIP) > > There was a man next to me that was pleased that > he made $10,000 last year on and initial bankroll of > $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more. > > Steve, > > If he doubled his account in 2000, maybe HE should > have been giving the seminar. > > Walt > > > > > > " > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 15 May 2001 13:17:53 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD6B.5BC8A850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Maybe he meant 1999. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:15 PM Probably just beginners luck - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes Kent Norman --- walter nusbaum wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:03 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment > Seminar > (SNIP) > > There was a man next to me that was pleased that > he made $10,000 last year on and initial bankroll of > $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more. > > Steve, > > If he doubled his account in 2000, maybe HE should > have been giving the seminar. > > Walt > > > > > > " > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD6B.5BC8A850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar

Maybe he meant 1999.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Norman [mailto:kent_norman@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:15 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar


Probably just beginners luck - sour grapes - sour
grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes -
sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes
- sour grapes - sour grapes - sour grapes

Kent Norman

--- walter nusbaum <wnusbaum@airmail.net> wrote:
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Steve F
>   To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>   Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 7:03 PM
>   Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment
> Seminar
>   (SNIP)
>
>    There was a man next to me that was pleased that
> he made $10,000 last year on and initial bankroll of
> $10,000 with CANSLIM and wanted to learn more.  
>
>   Steve,
>
>   If he doubled his account in 2000, maybe HE should
> have been giving the seminar.
>
>   Walt
>
>
>
>
>
>     "
>
>


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD6B.5BC8A850-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 15 May 2001 12:29:16 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0DD3A.A85D43A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll try and paraphrase the highlights (I'm at work so I don't have my = notes). I'm sure others can add to this: 1. Look at The Big Picture for to see what the market IS doing. 2. Look at 197 Industry Group Rankings to find the LEADING groups. 3. 52 Week Highs & Lows to find New Highs. 4.Where The Big Money is Flowing - check out the Bold Faced issues. 5. Stocks In The News and Your Weekend Graphic Review - though I do find = that many of those charts show extended breakouts. ( I tend to focus on = the Weekend Review more). 6. Bold Faced issues in the Main Tables. Within those look for the ones = in the leading groups. I realize that this still creates a large amount of stocks to sift = through. So I guess "efficient" is relative to the amount of data. (g)=20 -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 Bill, Could you share Won's ideas for "efficiently scanning IBD for Picks"? Thanks, Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Triffet Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:27 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 I wonder how it compares to the free IBD seminars he's had in the = past. I would assume the Advanced seminar covered much more detail. I = went to a free one last year and found it quite good. He covered most of = the basics of canslim. He showed how to efficiently scan IBD for picks. = Also had some of the WON products for sale. I picked up the "When to = Sell" audio cassette which is very good btw. Did he go into stock selection with an emphasis on chart reading? -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:38 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar=20 There was about an hour at the end of the day and several short = periods during the day for questions and answers. With 700 people = there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were answered. = The word seminar to me, implied that it would be in small groups with = opportunity to ask questions but that was not to be. =20 In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem = to be negative and I don;t want to give that impression. I really did = enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go again. I just think = that for the cost, I expected more.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0DD3A.A85D43A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll try and paraphrase the highlights = (I'm at work=20 so I don't have my notes). I'm sure others can add to this:
 
1. Look at The Big Picture for to see = what the=20 market IS doing.
2. Look at 197 Industry Group Rankings = to find the=20 LEADING groups.
3. 52 Week Highs & Lows to find New = Highs.
4.Where The Big Money is Flowing - = check out the=20 Bold Faced issues.
5. Stocks In The News and Your Weekend=20 Graphic Review - though I do find that many of those charts show = extended=20 breakouts. ( I tend to focus on the Weekend Review more).
6. Bold Faced issues in the Main = Tables. Within=20 those look for the ones in the leading groups.
 
I realize that this still creates = a large=20 amount of stocks to sift through. So I guess "efficient" is = relative to the=20 amount of data. (g)
 
-Bill Triffet
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 = 10:54=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD = Advance=20 Investment Seminar

Bill,
Could you share Won's ideas for "efficiently = scanning IBD=20 for Picks"?
 
Thanks,
 
Rick
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 12:27 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar

I wonder how it compares to the = free IBD=20 seminars he's had in the past. I would assume the Advanced seminar = covered=20 much more detail. I went to a free one last year and found it quite = good. He=20 covered most of the basics of canslim. He showed how to efficiently = scan IBD=20 for picks. Also had some of the WON products for sale. I picked up = the "When=20 to Sell" audio cassette which is very good btw.
 
Did he go into stock selection with = an emphasis=20 on chart reading?
 
-Bill Triffet
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Steve F=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 = 6:38=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD = Advance=20 Investment Seminar

 There was about an hour at the end of the day and several = short=20 periods during the day for questions and answers.   With = 700=20 people there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were=20 answered.  The word seminar to me, implied that it would be = in small=20 groups with opportunity to ask questions but that was not to=20 be.  =20

In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all = seem to be=20 negative and I don;t want to give that = impression.   I=20 really did enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go=20 again.   I just think that for the cost, I expected = more.=20

------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C0DD3A.A85D43A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Catching stocks at the BUY POINT Date: 15 May 2001 13:29:16 -0600 I generate a watch list on the weekend for the following week, and then load those into a portfolio at Excite. Generally, I end up with 10-20 stocks that look interesting. Then I bring Excite up and compare the stock prices to the pivot points during the day. If things aren't too hectic, I can do this once every hour or two, although at times I'm in meetings or traveling and can't look at it at all. I use this to try and catch stocks moving a little quicker. I tried alerts a while back, but I think I set up too many, and found I was getting alerts for moves in which I wasn't really interested. I also look at breakouts carefully, and sometimes set a limit buy at 4 or 5% above the pivot for stocks that have moved too high in one day. It isn't unusual at all for these stocks to pause and dip back into buying range during the next few days after the breakout. The only problem I have with this is that all of the stocks that don't come back succeed, and all of the stocks that fail will come back (although not necessarily in a few days). I would imagine this fact leads to a somewhat lower success rate on these purchases. This may be an approach that I use less after my success is enough to do this full time, but for now, you do what you can!! At 11:46 AM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: >What monitoring tools do you users use to catch CANSLIM stocks at the buy >point? Do you feel that real time alerts are necessary or do most of you >use End Of Day data? > >Thanks, >Rick > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar Date: 15 May 2001 12:56:14 -0700 (PDT) --0-14183274-989956574=:14817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yes, he went into discussion of chart reading and it was good. Again, not long enough. One day was just not long enough to give a comprehensive discussion of chart reading. Bill Triffet wrote: I wonder how it compares to the free IBD seminars he's had in the past. I would assume the Advanced seminar covered much more detail. I went to a free one last year and found it quite good. He covered most of the basics of canslim. He showed how to efficiently scan IBD for picks. Also had some of the WON products for sale. I picked up the "When to Sell" audio cassette which is very good btw. Did he go into stock selection with an emphasis on chart reading? -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:38 AM There was about an hour at the end of the day and several short periods during the day for questions and answers. With 700 people there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were answered. The word seminar to me, implied that it would be in small groups with opportunity to ask questions but that was not to be. In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem to be negative and I don;t want to give that impression. I really did enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go again. I just think that for the cost, I expected more. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? --0-14183274-989956574=:14817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Yes, he went into discussion of chart reading and it was good.  Again, not long enough.  One day was just not long enough to give a comprehensive discussion of chart reading.

  Bill Triffet <btriffet@earthlink.net> wrote:





I wonder how it compares to the free IBD seminars he's had in the past. I would assume the Advanced seminar covered much more detail. I went to a free one last year and found it quite good. He covered most of the basics of canslim. He showed how to efficiently scan IBD for picks. Also had some of the WON products for sale. I picked up the "When to Sell" audio cassette which is very good btw.

 

Did he go into stock selection with an emphasis on chart reading?

 

-Bill Triffet

 


----- Original Message -----

From: Steve F


Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:38 AM

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD Advance Investment Seminar



 There was about an hour at the end of the day and several short periods during the day for questions and answers.   With 700 people there were hundreds of questions and very few of them were answered.  The word seminar to me, implied that it would be in small groups with opportunity to ask questions but that was not to be.  

In looking back at my posts regarding this seminar, they all seem to be negative and I don;t want to give that impression.   I really did enjoy the day, it was informative and I would go again.   I just think that for the cost, I expected more.


Do You Yahoo!?
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 I don't see a handle.  Where is the handle.  It looks like it shot out without a handle.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on
my HGS list.

Tim Fisher
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Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
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It looks like it shot out > without a handle. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > >Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on >my HGS list. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >"WorldSecure " made the following >annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include >privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or >use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) >is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended >recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then >delete it from your system. Thank you. > > >============================================================================== Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL and PXD bo Date: 15 May 2001 19:15:32 -0400 Anna, on ROIL, are you concerned about the forecasts of declines in earnings of 3% this year and a further decline of 24% next year? I realize that 1st qtr already amounts to 37% of the projected earnings for the entire year, and should they repeat that in the next three qtrs, earnings will rise 50% instead of declining. But I presume the analysts have some reason for their forecasts. On PXD, unless you caught it early today, it's too late as appears extended 10% over pivot. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:27 AM I know I know... This contradiction bothers me.... Btw, ROIL and PXD seem to be breaking out. DISCL: I am in. esetser @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 10:12:31 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I only looked at the first chart, but it seems to me to contradict some of WON's teaching. You are showing high volume and the price moving up. I find it hard to believe this is indicative of "institutional selling". It seems to me that it is likely to be exactly the opposite! I guess my view is this, if a stock will charge up 15% when the institutions are showing selling, then great!, give me stocks that are showing institutional selling!! At 08:45 AM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Tom and everyone, > >I've been trying analyze the data on Thompson's site to figure out how it >can be used to aid in stock selection. >check this out: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=WMS&range=7&m gp=0&hdate >=&hdate=&x=9&y=10 > >Hypothetical question: would you buy a stock if you saw this kind of >distribution? This disturbs me and I don't think I would buy. >The problem is that the majority of breakouts that I have seen display the >same kind of pattern. >Does this really matter? Maybe not - there is always profit taking around >the new highs. Maybe it does matter - we have seen a lot of failed >breakouts lately. > >Another example: PENN is CS stock - has the fundies and the chart. B/O'ed >on great volume, has been pulling back on lower volume. >Look at this link: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=PENN&range=7& mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=9&y=8 > >According to Thompson's institutions are selling into strength. I would >guess that not the selling itself but the relative amount of selling that >matters. >But how do you determine that? Any thoughts? > >Another one: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=ESI&range=30& mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=1&y=9 >Notice how stock rose sharply while institutions were selling. Compare >that to the action of the last couple of weeks: supposely institutions are >accumulating, but the stock is barely moving. What do you think about this >one? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Surindra@yahoo.com" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 15 May 2001 19:19:08 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C0DD73.EA0D6DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OTim never mentioned that he saw a handle! Just great break out! May all your picks be winners. Surindra -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it shot out without a handle. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on my HGS list. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. 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Tim never mentioned = that he saw=20 a handle!
 
Just great break=20 out!
 
May all your picks = be=20 winners.
 
 
Surindra
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio,=20 Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO=20 B/O

 I don't see a handle.  Where is the = handle. =20 It looks like it shot out without a handle.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim=20 Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = [CANSLIM] COCO=20 B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be = reached,=20 great vol, on
my HGS list.

Tim Fisher
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Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: http://OreRockOn.com=20
See naked fish and rocks!


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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C0DD73.EA0D6DA0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 15 May 2001 16:25:41 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD95.FF444F0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I never suggested that he saw a handle. I wanted to know if he saw a handle because I did not see a handle that might have been there. Should I write Points and Authorities explaining my question? -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:19 PM Tim never mentioned that he saw a handle! Just great break out! May all your picks be winners. Surindra -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it shot out without a handle. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on my HGS list. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 -- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================ == "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 16:24:30 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD95.FF444F0A Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
I never suggested that he saw a handle.  I wanted to know if he saw a handle because I did not see a handle that might have been there.
Should I write Points and Authorities explaining my question?
-----Original Message-----
From: Surindra@yahoo.com [mailto:surindra@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:19 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

Tim never mentioned that he saw a handle!
 
Just great break out!
 
May all your picks be winners.
 
 
Surindra
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

 I don't see a handle.  Where is the handle.  It looks like it shot out without a handle.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on
my HGS list.

Tim Fisher
Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites

Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
See naked fish and rocks!


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD95.FF444F0A-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeff.salisbury@xmission.com Date: 15 May 2001 17:28:20 -0600 (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27413 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 19:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00bb01c0dd96$294e3cc0$0f02000a@txw> References: <20010515135005.8313.qmail@web3202.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C0DD74.228EC2A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C0DD74.228EC2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I don't subscribe to IBD, and almost never read it anymore, so = appreciate the head's up. I would disagree with IBD that small caps are = leading, tho. The index chart looks almost identical to the NYSE = Composite, and I feel there is more depth and institutional support for = the NYSE. I would also say that despite my preference for small caps, they are not = good leaders. They are good as a short term substitute for techs, esp if = the financials and Trans are not strong (which right now is not the = case), but not a good sign longer term (more than a few months at best). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Small Cap Stocks Note that under 'The Big Picture' column in todays Investors Business = Daily a comment is made that small caps are leading the market higher. = I point this out because small caps seem to be of particular interest to = Tom but I should also assume that most posters here subscribe to = Investors Business Daily=20 ----- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C0DD74.228EC2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, I don't subscribe to IBD, and almost never = read it=20 anymore, so appreciate the head's up. I would disagree with IBD that = small caps=20 are leading, tho. The index chart looks almost identical to the NYSE = Composite,=20 and I feel there is more depth and institutional support for the=20 NYSE.
 
I would also say that despite my preference for = small caps,=20 they are not good leaders. They are good as a short term substitute for = techs,=20 esp if the financials and Trans are not strong (which right now is not = the=20 case), but not a good sign longer term (more than a few months at=20 best).
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
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Subject: [CANSLIM] Small Cap = Stocks

Note that under 'The Big Picture' column in todays = Investors=20 Business Daily a comment is made that small caps are leading the = market=20 higher.   I point this out because small caps seem to = be of=20 particular interest to Tom but I should also assume that most posters = here=20 subscribe to Investors Business Daily=20


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Yahoo!=20 Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to=20 sell? ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C0DD74.228EC2A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 15 May 2001 18:29:19 CDT Nancy This is where weekly charts come in handy. Looking at the weekly chart o= f COCO you can more easily see it was in a basing pattern for about 14 week= s. - Fanus Tim Fisher wrote: I didn't characterize it as a C&H. There are more chart patterns than C&H= s. = This one is a rather loose flat base since the failed b/o off a C&H in Fe= b. On 03:43 PM 5/15/01, DiFabio, Nancy Said: > I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it shot out= = > without a handle. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > >Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, = on >my HGS list. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >"WorldSecure " made the following >annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 >------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ >PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = >privileged, confidential and/or inside information. 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Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:37 PM Was cruising some screens, and the Foolish 8 screen at Quicken.com looks interesting; 3-4 CANSLIM stocks show up; the top stocks were: SKE PQUE EPIQ MTON FEIC FRNT SEI POG FHRX CATT Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 15 May 2001 18:30:36 CDT Nancy This is where weekly charts come in handy. Looking at the weekly chart o= f COCO you can more easily see it was in a basing pattern for about 14 week= s. - Fanus Tim Fisher wrote: I didn't characterize it as a C&H. There are more chart patterns than C&H= s. = This one is a rather loose flat base since the failed b/o off a C&H in Fe= b. On 03:43 PM 5/15/01, DiFabio, Nancy Said: > I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it shot out= = > without a handle. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > >Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, = on >my HGS list. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". 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It looks like it shot out > without a handle. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > >Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on >my HGS list. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >"WorldSecure " made the following >annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include >privileged, confidential and/or inside information. 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Thank you, Fanus.

-----Original Message-----
From: Fanus [mailto:fanus@usa.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:29 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O


Nancy

This is where weekly charts come in handy.  Looking = at the weekly chart of
COCO you can more easily see it was in a basing pattern = =66or about 14 weeks.

- Fanus

----------------------------------------------------
Tim Fisher <Tim@OreRockOn.com> wrote:
I didn't characterize it as a C&H. There are more = chart patterns than C&Hs.
This one is a rather loose flat base since the failed b/= o= off a C&H in Feb.

On 03:43 PM 5/15/01, DiFabio, Nancy Said:

>  I don't see a handle.  Where is the = handle.  It looks like it shot out
> without a handle.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Fisher [<mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com>mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM
>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
>
>Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be = reached, great vol, on
>my HGS list.
>
>Tim Fisher
>Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW = Sites
>
>Tim@OreRockOn.com
>WWW: <http://OreRockOn.com>http://OreRockOn.com
>See naked fish and rocks!
>
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But I presume the analysts have some reason for their >forecasts. > >On PXD, unless you caught it early today, it's too late as >appears extended 10% over pivot. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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We all see something different when we = look at charts, and that's if we look at the same site. Different sites = make it far more difficult. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I never suggested that he saw a handle. I wanted to know if he saw a = handle because I did not see a handle that might have been there. Should I write Points and Authorities explaining my question? -----Original Message----- From: Surindra@yahoo.com [mailto:surindra@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:19 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Tim never mentioned that he saw a handle! =20 Just great break out! =20 May all your picks be winners. =20 =20 Surindra -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it = shot out without a handle.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O=20 Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great = vol, on=20 my HGS list.=20 Tim Fisher=20 Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites=20 Tim@OreRockOn.com=20 WWW: http://OreRockOn.com=20 See naked fish and rocks!=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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OK, OK, I admit it, I tot I saw a candle, I mean a = handle,=20 uhh, was that a pot or a kettle, no, it was a base, no, a face, the face = in the=20 moon, no, I think it was saying grace, hoping my latest buy would go to = the=20 moon. That's it, it's a race, a race to the moon, but I think I've been = maced,=20 my latest buy traded 200 shares today. Guess I must pace myself, or I = won't=20 taste financial success. Gotta buy a vase of flowers, and set them on = the base,=20 then it'll look prettier and won't be a waste.
 
Sorry, Nancy, couldn't resist. We all see something = different=20 when we look at charts, and that's if we look at the same site. = Different sites=20 make it far more difficult.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 = 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

I=20 never suggested that he saw a handle.  I wanted to know if he saw = a=20 handle because I did not see a handle that might have been=20 there.
Should I write Points and Authorities explaining my=20 question?
-----Original Message-----
From: Surindra@yahoo.com [mailto:surindra@yahoo.com]
S= ent:=20 Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:19 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

Tim never = mentioned that he=20 saw a handle!
 
Just great = break=20 out!
 
May all your = picks be=20 winners.
 
 
Surindra
 
 
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From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = DiFabio,=20 Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

 I don't see a handle.  Where is the=20 handle.  It looks like it shot out without a handle. =

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] COCO B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will = be=20 reached, great vol, on
my HGS = list.

Tim Fisher
Ore-Rock-On = and Pacific=20 Fishery Biologists WWW Sites

Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: = http://OreRockOn.com=20
See naked fish and rocks!


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Maybe it's the earnings forecast of 100% this >year? > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tim Fisher >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:37 PM >Subject: [CANSLIM] Foolish 8 (semi-off-topic) > > >Was cruising some screens, and the Foolish 8 screen at >Quicken.com looks >interesting; 3-4 CANSLIM stocks show up; the top stocks were: > >SKE PQUE EPIQ MTON FEIC FRNT SEI POG FHRX CATT > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 15 May 2001 16:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Looking at my chart, I don't see it going higher than the early March high. Doesn't look like a BO to me, Am I missing something? Kent Norman --- "Surindra@yahoo.com" wrote: > RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OTim never mentioned that he > saw a handle! > > Just great break out! > > May all your picks be winners. > > > Surindra > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of DiFabio, Nancy > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It > looks like it shot out > without a handle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > > Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will > be reached, great vol, on > my HGS list. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 15 May 2001 17:36:53 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DD9F.F1A93C34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Your poetic performance and interpretation is a vibrant synopsis of my handle obsession. Nancy -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:40 PM OK, OK, I admit it, I tot I saw a candle, I mean a handle, uhh, was that a pot or a kettle, no, it was a base, no, a face, the face in the moon, no, I think it was saying grace, hoping my latest buy would go to the moon. That's it, it's a race, a race to the moon, but I think I've been maced, my latest buy traded 200 shares today. Guess I must pace myself, or I won't taste financial success. Gotta buy a vase of flowers, and set them on the base, then it'll look prettier and won't be a waste. Sorry, Nancy, couldn't resist. We all see something different when we look at charts, and that's if we look at the same site. Different sites make it far more difficult. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:25 PM I never suggested that he saw a handle. I wanted to know if he saw a handle because I did not see a handle that might have been there. Should I write Points and Authorities explaining my question? -----Original Message----- mailto:surindra@yahoo.com ] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:19 PM Tim never mentioned that he saw a handle! Just great break out! May all your picks be winners. Surindra -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it shot out without a handle. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on my HGS list. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 -- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================ == "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 16:24:30 -- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================ == "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 17:35:42 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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Tom,
 
Your poetic performance and interpretation is a vibrant synopsis of my handle obsession.
 
Nancy
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:40 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

OK, OK, I admit it, I tot I saw a candle, I mean a handle, uhh, was that a pot or a kettle, no, it was a base, no, a face, the face in the moon, no, I think it was saying grace, hoping my latest buy would go to the moon. That's it, it's a race, a race to the moon, but I think I've been maced, my latest buy traded 200 shares today. Guess I must pace myself, or I won't taste financial success. Gotta buy a vase of flowers, and set them on the base, then it'll look prettier and won't be a waste.
 
Sorry, Nancy, couldn't resist. We all see something different when we look at charts, and that's if we look at the same site. Different sites make it far more difficult.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

I never suggested that he saw a handle.  I wanted to know if he saw a handle because I did not see a handle that might have been there.
Should I write Points and Authorities explaining my question?
-----Original Message-----
From: Surindra@yahoo.com [mailto:surindra@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:19 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

Tim never mentioned that he saw a handle!
 
Just great break out!
 
May all your picks be winners.
 
 
Surindra
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

 I don't see a handle.  Where is the handle.  It looks like it shot out without a handle.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on
my HGS list.

Tim Fisher
Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites

Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
See naked fish and rocks!


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Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:36 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Tom, =20 Your poetic performance and interpretation is a vibrant synopsis of my = handle obsession. =20 Nancy=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:40 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O OK, OK, I admit it, I tot I saw a candle, I mean a handle, uhh, was = that a pot or a kettle, no, it was a base, no, a face, the face in the = moon, no, I think it was saying grace, hoping my latest buy would go to = the moon. That's it, it's a race, a race to the moon, but I think I've = been maced, my latest buy traded 200 shares today. Guess I must pace = myself, or I won't taste financial success. Gotta buy a vase of flowers, = and set them on the base, then it'll look prettier and won't be a waste. Sorry, Nancy, couldn't resist. We all see something different when = we look at charts, and that's if we look at the same site. Different = sites make it far more difficult. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I never suggested that he saw a handle. I wanted to know if he = saw a handle because I did not see a handle that might have been there. Should I write Points and Authorities explaining my question? -----Original Message----- From: Surindra@yahoo.com [mailto:surindra@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:19 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Tim never mentioned that he saw a handle! =20 Just great break out! =20 May all your picks be winners. =20 =20 Surindra -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it = shot out without a handle.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O=20 Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, = great vol, on=20 my HGS list.=20 Tim Fisher=20 Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites=20 Tim@OreRockOn.com=20 WWW: http://OreRockOn.com=20 See naked fish and rocks!=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may = include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any = distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the = intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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another of my many underdeveloped = skills!
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 = 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

Tom,
 
Your=20 poetic performance and interpretation is a vibrant = synopsis of=20 my handle obsession.
 
Nancy
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent:=20 Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:40 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

OK, OK, I admit it, I tot I saw a candle, I mean = a handle,=20 uhh, was that a pot or a kettle, no, it was a base, no, a face, the = face in=20 the moon, no, I think it was saying grace, hoping my latest buy = would go to=20 the moon. That's it, it's a race, a race to the moon, but I think = I've been=20 maced, my latest buy traded 200 shares today. Guess I must pace = myself, or I=20 won't taste financial success. Gotta buy a vase of flowers, and set = them on=20 the base, then it'll look prettier and won't be a = waste.
 
Sorry, Nancy, couldn't resist. We all see = something=20 different when we look at charts, and that's if we look at the same = site.=20 Different sites make it far more difficult.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 = 7:25=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

I never suggested that he saw a handle.  I wanted to = know if=20 he saw a handle because I did not see a handle that might have = been=20 there.
Should I write Points and Authorities explaining my=20 question?
-----Original Message-----
From: Surindra@yahoo.com [mailto:surindra@yahoo.com]
S= ent:=20 Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:19 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

Tim never = mentioned=20 that he saw a handle!
 
Just great = break=20 out!
 
May all = your picks be=20 winners.
 
 
Surindra
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = DiFabio,=20 Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 = PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = COCO=20 B/O

 I don't see a handle.  Where is = the=20 handle.  It looks like it shot out without a = handle.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] COCO B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 = will be=20 reached, great vol, on
my HGS = list.=20

Tim Fisher
Ore-Rock-On and=20 Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites

Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
See=20 naked fish and rocks!


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------=_NextPart_000_0131_01C0DD7F.3DE6E0E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: [CANSLIM] M Date: 15 May 2001 19:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Tom "prolific poster" Worley posted (this morning) about the relative lackluster performance of "M" lately. I'd like to follow up on that thread. First, I haven't looked all that closely - but it seems that we had some solid upmoves earlier in the year (generally coincident with rate drops by the Fed) on high volume. Of late, we've had a gradual decline, but on lesser volume. That sort of a behavior in an individual stock would generally be a good sign - unless the decline penetrated previous lows. The major indices haven't done this (yet). On the flip side, I haven't done too well lately. I did well enough last year to get out sorta early - pay lots of taxes - and feel like I was getting the hang of this. This year has been the opposite. I keep sticking a foot in the water, and watching it get bit off. I've given back my year-2000 gains and a fair amount of my 1999 gains. Several 10% losses in a row can shake the ol' confidence. So, that lends credence to your "M" thoughts. Today - I decided to speak up, because I was a bit disappointed with the market action after the Fed move. Not TOO long ago, a 50 bp cut would have sent the NAZ up about 7% and the S&P500 up about 3%. Today - well... gee, I'd hate to think what a 25 bp cut would have done. We got a quick bump after the announcement, and then a sell-off the rest of the day - with the stocks I track still falling at end of day. My experience is that this doesn't bode well for an opening tomorrow. Its just my opinion, and I haven't done too well lately (hence my silence) - but I'm being very cautious right now. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 15 May 2001 22:40:20 -0600 I just looked through this thread and looked at the chart. Tims message said he bought COCO 'anticipating' a breakout at 48.49, which is .13 great than the 52 week high in march of 48.36. Right? But after taking a quick look at the strange price action of COCO over the past month I'd be willing to bet that it's going to test the 44 area over the next week or two. Then you'll have your handle. At 04:53 PM 5/15/01 -0700, you wrote: >Looking at my chart, I don't see it going higher than >the early March high. Doesn't look like a BO to me, Am >I missing something? > >Kent Norman > >--- "Surindra@yahoo.com" wrote: > > RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OTim never mentioned that he > > saw a handle! > > > > Just great break out! > > > > May all your picks be winners. > > > > > > Surindra > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > > Of DiFabio, Nancy > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM > > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > > > > I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It > > looks like it shot out > > without a handle. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > > > > > > Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will > > be reached, great vol, on > > my HGS list. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > > Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > "WorldSecure " made the following > > annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any > > attachments, may include > > privileged, confidential and/or inside information. > > Any distribution or use > > of this communication by anyone other than the > > intended recipient(s) is > > strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are > > not the intended > > recipient, please notify the sender by replying to > > this message and then > > delete it from your system. Thank you. > > > > > > > > >============================================================================ > > == > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Small Cap Stocks Date: 15 May 2001 19:20:42 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C0DD74.228EC2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I don't subscribe to IBD, and almost never read it anymore, so = appreciate the head's up. I would disagree with IBD that small caps are = leading, tho. The index chart looks almost identical to the NYSE = Composite, and I feel there is more depth and institutional support for = the NYSE. I would also say that despite my preference for small caps, they are not = good leaders. They are good as a short term substitute for techs, esp if = the financials and Trans are not strong (which right now is not the = case), but not a good sign longer term (more than a few months at best). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Small Cap Stocks Note that under 'The Big Picture' column in todays Investors Business = Daily a comment is made that small caps are leading the market higher. = I point this out because small caps seem to be of particular interest to = Tom but I should also assume that most posters here subscribe to = Investors Business Daily=20 ----- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Actually, I don't subscribe to IBD, and almost never = read it=20 anymore, so appreciate the head's up. I would disagree with IBD that = small caps=20 are leading, tho. The index chart looks almost identical to the NYSE = Composite,=20 and I feel there is more depth and institutional support for the=20 NYSE.
 
I would also say that despite my preference for = small caps,=20 they are not good leaders. They are good as a short term substitute for = techs,=20 esp if the financials and Trans are not strong (which right now is not = the=20 case), but not a good sign longer term (more than a few months at=20 best).
 
Tom Worley
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Note that under 'The Big Picture' column in todays = Investors=20 Business Daily a comment is made that small caps are leading the = market=20 higher.   I point this out because small caps seem to = be of=20 particular interest to Tom but I should also assume that most posters = here=20 subscribe to Investors Business Daily=20


Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo!=20 Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to=20 sell? ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C0DD74.228EC2A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M Date: 16 May 2001 05:51:46 -0400 Dave, to have survived 2000 at all, much less with gains, says you were doing something right. I would suggest re-examining what you were doing then, and how it differs from what you have been doing lately. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:44 PM Tom "prolific poster" Worley posted (this morning) about the relative lackluster performance of "M" lately. I'd like to follow up on that thread. First, I haven't looked all that closely - but it seems that we had some solid upmoves earlier in the year (generally coincident with rate drops by the Fed) on high volume. Of late, we've had a gradual decline, but on lesser volume. That sort of a behavior in an individual stock would generally be a good sign - unless the decline penetrated previous lows. The major indices haven't done this (yet). On the flip side, I haven't done too well lately. I did well enough last year to get out sorta early - pay lots of taxes - and feel like I was getting the hang of this. This year has been the opposite. I keep sticking a foot in the water, and watching it get bit off. I've given back my year-2000 gains and a fair amount of my 1999 gains. Several 10% losses in a row can shake the ol' confidence. So, that lends credence to your "M" thoughts. Today - I decided to speak up, because I was a bit disappointed with the market action after the Fed move. Not TOO long ago, a 50 bp cut would have sent the NAZ up about 7% and the S&P500 up about 3%. Today - well... gee, I'd hate to think what a 25 bp cut would have done. We got a quick bump after the announcement, and then a sell-off the rest of the day - with the stocks I track still falling at end of day. My experience is that this doesn't bode well for an opening tomorrow. Its just my opinion, and I haven't done too well lately (hence my silence) - but I'm being very cautious right now. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M Date: 16 May 2001 05:12:11 -0500 Dave, I have had the same problem. Very few toes left to dip in the water! I also remember reading in the Ask Bill O'Neil section at investors.com that the same c&h pattern that is used for individual stocks can be used for the general market indices. In looking at a 1 year chart of the NAS maybe this low vol we are seeing recently is part of a very low handle on a very bad cup at a poor resistance/support level. Not a very good chart to say the least but these days I'll take anything. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:44 PM > Tom "prolific poster" Worley posted (this morning) about the relative > lackluster performance of "M" lately. I'd like to follow up on that > thread. > > First, I haven't looked all that closely - but it seems that we had > some solid upmoves earlier in the year (generally coincident with > rate drops by the Fed) on high volume. Of late, we've had a gradual > decline, but on lesser volume. That sort of a behavior in an > individual stock would generally be a good sign - unless the decline > penetrated previous lows. The major indices haven't done this > (yet). > > On the flip side, I haven't done too well lately. I did well enough > last year to get out sorta early - pay lots of taxes - and feel like > I was getting the hang of this. This year has been the opposite. > I keep sticking a foot in the water, and watching it get bit off. > I've given back my year-2000 gains and a fair amount of my 1999 > gains. Several 10% losses in a row can shake the ol' confidence. > So, that lends credence to your "M" thoughts. > > Today - I decided to speak up, because I was a bit disappointed with > the market action after the Fed move. Not TOO long ago, a 50 bp > cut would have sent the NAZ up about 7% and the S&P500 up about 3%. > Today - well... gee, I'd hate to think what a 25 bp cut would have > done. We got a quick bump after the announcement, and then a > sell-off the rest of the day - with the stocks I track still falling > at end of day. My experience is that this doesn't bode well for an > opening tomorrow. > > Its just my opinion, and I haven't done too well lately (hence my > silence) - but I'm being very cautious right now. > > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: [CANSLIM] small caps Date: 16 May 2001 05:16:00 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0DDC7.4BA32F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is today's Ask bill O'Neil question. I hope it comes through OK. You advise to avoid stocks with average daily volume of less than = 200,000 shares. Yet, a majority of the stocks in a recent 'Stocks In The = News' didn't meet this criterion. Why were these stocks highlighted? = =20 - Submitted from Visalia, Calif. =20 =20 Good question. Over the last few years, we've been in a market = that favored big caps over small caps. Over the last few months, the = market has started to favor small caps. Due to this shift, it is OK to = buy a stock that trades fewer than 200,000 shares average daily volume, = as long as the base is sound and the fundamentals are strong. Keep in = mind that such stocks tend to be more volatile and that many = institutions will shy away from such stocks because they cannot buy = adequate amounts of shares. Also note that slippage will be more of a = factor when buying thin names. By slippage we mean the amount the price = slips when you buy or sell. If you are buying 5,000 shares of a stock = that trades 100,000 shares a day, you may find the price slips 1%-2% as = you try to buy or sell your position.=20 Norm=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0DDC7.4BA32F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is today's Ask bill O'Neil question.  I hope it comes = through=20 OK.
 
You advise to avoid stocks with = average daily=20 volume of less than 200,000 shares. Yet, a majority of the stocks = in a=20 recent 'Stocks In The News' didn't meet this criterion. Why were = these=20 stocks highlighted?    
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Visalia,=20 Calif. 		 
 
Good question. Over the last few years, we've been = in a=20 market that favored big caps over small caps. Over the last few = months,=20 the market has started to favor small caps. Due to this shift, it = is OK to=20 buy a stock that trades fewer than 200,000 shares average daily = volume, as=20 long as the base is sound and the fundamentals are strong. Keep in = mind=20 that such stocks tend to be more volatile and that many = institutions will=20 shy away from such stocks because they cannot buy adequate amounts = of=20 shares. Also note that slippage will be more of a factor when = buying thin=20 names. By slippage we mean the amount the price slips when you buy = or=20 sell. If you are buying 5,000 shares of a stock that trades = 100,000 shares=20 a day, you may find the price slips 1%-2% as you try to buy or = sell your=20 position.
 
 
Norm
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 4 distribution days Date: 16 May 2001 08:08:39 -0400 Agree, but all four of those days, as well as the other down days, are all well under ADV. And the price range has held up well enough to form a handle despite this. So I see the lack of volume as a lack of conviction by the long holders and the shorters, and also support by the institutionals. It's definitely a warning sign, but I suspect this rally ain't done yet. So far, looks like today will be another dismal down day, but hopefully not so severe as in Japan. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 7:31 AM I see 4 distribution days in the last 11 days on the DJI. That's a sign of weakness according to O'Neil. MG _________________________________________________________________ ________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 16 May 2001 06:22:24 -0700 Read my msg. I said "anticipating the pivot". It came within 20 cents or so of the pivot yesterday. At 04:53 PM 5/15/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Looking at my chart, I don't see it going higher than >the early March high. Doesn't look like a BO to me, Am >I missing something? > >Kent Norman > >--- "Surindra@yahoo.com" wrote: > > RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OTim never mentioned that he > > saw a handle! > > > > Just great break out! > > > > May all your picks be winners. > > > > > > Surindra > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > > Of DiFabio, Nancy > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM > > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > > > > I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It > > looks like it shot out > > without a handle. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > > > > > > Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will > > be reached, great vol, on > > my HGS list. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > > Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > "WorldSecure " made the following > > annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any > > attachments, may include > > privileged, confidential and/or inside information. > > Any distribution or use > > of this communication by anyone other than the > > intended recipient(s) is > > strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are > > not the intended > > recipient, please notify the sender by replying to > > this message and then > > delete it from your system. Thank you. > > > > > > > > >============================================================================ > > == > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 16 May 2001 06:23:54 -0700 That could well be. It was not a standard CANSLIM buy point. At 10:40 PM 5/15/2001 -0600, you wrote: >I just looked through this thread and looked at the chart. >Tims message said he bought COCO 'anticipating' a breakout at 48.49, >which is .13 great than the 52 week high in march of 48.36. Right? >But after taking a quick look at the strange price action of COCO over >the past month I'd be willing to bet that it's going to test the 44 area >over the next week or two. Then you'll have your handle. > >At 04:53 PM 5/15/01 -0700, you wrote: >>Looking at my chart, I don't see it going higher than >>the early March high. Doesn't look like a BO to me, Am >>I missing something? >> >>Kent Norman >> >>--- "Surindra@yahoo.com" wrote: >> > RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OTim never mentioned that he >> > saw a handle! >> > >> > Just great break out! >> > >> > May all your picks be winners. >> > >> > >> > Surindra >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >> > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf >> > Of DiFabio, Nancy >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM >> > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' >> > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O >> > >> > >> > I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It >> > looks like it shot out >> > without a handle. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM >> > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >> > Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O >> > >> > >> > >> > Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will >> > be reached, great vol, on >> > my HGS list. >> > >> > Tim Fisher >> > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW >> > Sites >> > >> > Tim@OreRockOn.com >> > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >> > See naked fish and rocks! >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> > "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >> > email. >> > >> > "WorldSecure " made the following >> > annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 >> > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > ---- >> > PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any >> > attachments, may include >> > privileged, confidential and/or inside information. >> > Any distribution or use >> > of this communication by anyone other than the >> > intended recipient(s) is >> > strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are >> > not the intended >> > recipient, please notify the sender by replying to >> > this message and then >> > delete it from your system. Thank you. >> > >> > >> > >> > >>============================================================================ >> > == >> > >> > >> > >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >>http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" Date: 15 May 2001 06:17:55 -0700 I am in PENN, and I agree that someone is selling into the strength, however it has held up the B/O remarkably well. Again, knowing the reason for the price moves is nice, but sort of "so what" from a CANSLIM perspective. If it holds your stop, you are in. If it trades below the stop, you are out. At 08:45 AM 5/15/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Tom and everyone, > >I've been trying analyze the data on Thompson's site to figure out how it >can be used to aid in stock selection. >check this out: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=WMS&range=7&mgp=0&hdate >=&hdate=&x=9&y=10 > >Hypothetical question: would you buy a stock if you saw this kind of >distribution? This disturbs me and I don't think I would buy. >The problem is that the majority of breakouts that I have seen display the >same kind of pattern. >Does this really matter? Maybe not - there is always profit taking around >the new highs. Maybe it does matter - we have seen a lot of failed >breakouts lately. > >Another example: PENN is CS stock - has the fundies and the chart. B/O'ed >on great volume, has been pulling back on lower volume. >Look at this link: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=PENN&range=7&mgp=0&i=3&hdate > >&x=9&y=8 > >According to Thompson's institutions are selling into strength. I would >guess that not the selling itself but the relative amount of selling that >matters. >But how do you determine that? Any thoughts? > >Another one: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=ESI&range=30&mgp=0&i=3&hdate > >&x=1&y=9 >Notice how stock rose sharply while institutions were selling. Compare >that to the action of the last couple of weeks: supposely institutions are >accumulating, but the stock is barely moving. What do you think about this >one? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 16 May 2001 07:00:51 -0700 (PDT) COCO is mentioned very favorably in the 'Investors Corner' in todays Investors Business Daily. --- Tim Fisher wrote: > That could well be. It was not a standard CANSLIM > buy point. > > At 10:40 PM 5/15/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >I just looked through this thread and looked at the > chart. > >Tims message said he bought COCO 'anticipating' a > breakout at 48.49, > >which is .13 great than the 52 week high in march > of 48.36. Right? > >But after taking a quick look at the strange price > action of COCO over > >the past month I'd be willing to bet that it's > going to test the 44 area > >over the next week or two. Then you'll have your > handle. > > > >At 04:53 PM 5/15/01 -0700, you wrote: > >>Looking at my chart, I don't see it going higher > than > >>the early March high. Doesn't look like a BO to > me, Am > >>I missing something? > >> > >>Kent Norman > >> > >>--- "Surindra@yahoo.com" > wrote: > >> > RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OTim never mentioned that > he > >> > saw a handle! > >> > > >> > Just great break out! > >> > > >> > May all your picks be winners. > >> > > >> > > >> > Surindra > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > >> > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > Behalf > >> > Of DiFabio, Nancy > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM > >> > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > >> > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > >> > > >> > > >> > I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. > It > >> > looks like it shot out > >> > without a handle. > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] > >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM > >> > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >> > Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 > will > >> > be reached, great vol, on > >> > my HGS list. > >> > > >> > Tim Fisher > >> > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists > WWW > >> > Sites > >> > > >> > Tim@OreRockOn.com > >> > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > >> > See naked fish and rocks! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > - > >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > >> > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > or > >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > >> > email. > >> > > >> > "WorldSecure " made the following > >> > annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 > >> > > >> > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > ---- > >> > PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any > >> > attachments, may include > >> > privileged, confidential and/or inside > information. > >> > Any distribution or use > >> > of this communication by anyone other than the > >> > intended recipient(s) is > >> > strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you > are > >> > not the intended > >> > recipient, please notify the sender by replying > to > >> > this message and then > >> > delete it from your system. Thank you. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>============================================================================ > >> > == > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >>__________________________________________________ > >>Do You Yahoo!? > >>Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > >>http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >> > >>- > >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] CNTL Date: 16 May 2001 10:09:18 EDT --part1_cf.69e0732.2833e40e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BO on good volume. Popped real fast unable to take a position. Chris. --part1_cf.69e0732.2833e40e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BO on good volume. Popped real fast unable to take a position.

Chris. --part1_cf.69e0732.2833e40e_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 16 May 2001 10:29:11 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0DDF3.0C170300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OI subscribed to Daily Graphs the paper edition in = order to get the DGO discount. They sent me a booklet titled "Forty = Great Stock Market Winners". If one scans thru these stock charts, they = will see many do NOT have a classic easy to recognize cup and handles or = if they do, they are hard to recognize or are sloppy. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it shot = out without a handle.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O=20 Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great = vol, on=20 my HGS list.=20 Tim Fisher=20 Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites=20 Tim@OreRockOn.com=20 WWW: http://OreRockOn.com=20 See naked fish and rocks!=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended = recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then = delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0DDF3.0C170300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
I subscribed to Daily Graphs the paper edition in order = to get=20 the DGO discount.  They sent me a booklet titled "Forty Great Stock = Market=20 Winners".  If one scans thru these stock charts, they will see many = do NOT=20 have a classic easy to recognize cup and handles or if they do, = they are=20 hard to recognize or are sloppy.
 
Rick
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From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio,=20 Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO=20 B/O

 I don't see a handle.  Where is the = handle. =20 It looks like it shot out without a handle.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim=20 Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = [CANSLIM] COCO=20 B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be = reached,=20 great vol, on
my HGS list.

Tim Fisher
Ore-Rock-On and = Pacific=20 Fishery Biologists WWW Sites

Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: http://OreRockOn.com=20
See naked fish and rocks!


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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0DDF3.0C170300-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 16 May 2001 08:00:28 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0DDDE.45AE4160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OWhat's going on with housing today? Any other = ideas why my Ryland Group is down 9% this morning? =20 Have a good day everyone Perry ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0DDDE.45AE4160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
What's going on with housing today?  Any other = ideas=20  why my Ryland Group is down 9% this morning?  =
 
Have a good day everyone
 
Perry
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0DDDE.45AE4160-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL and PXD bo Date: 16 May 2001 11:17:38 -0400 Tom, Where do you see the Pivot in ROIL. Thanks, Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:16 PM Anna, on ROIL, are you concerned about the forecasts of declines in earnings of 3% this year and a further decline of 24% next year? I realize that 1st qtr already amounts to 37% of the projected earnings for the entire year, and should they repeat that in the next three qtrs, earnings will rise 50% instead of declining. But I presume the analysts have some reason for their forecasts. On PXD, unless you caught it early today, it's too late as appears extended 10% over pivot. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:27 AM I know I know... This contradiction bothers me.... Btw, ROIL and PXD seem to be breaking out. DISCL: I am in. esetser @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 10:12:31 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I only looked at the first chart, but it seems to me to contradict some of WON's teaching. You are showing high volume and the price moving up. I find it hard to believe this is indicative of "institutional selling". It seems to me that it is likely to be exactly the opposite! I guess my view is this, if a stock will charge up 15% when the institutions are showing selling, then great!, give me stocks that are showing institutional selling!! At 08:45 AM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Tom and everyone, > >I've been trying analyze the data on Thompson's site to figure out how it >can be used to aid in stock selection. >check this out: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=WMS&range=7&m gp=0&hdate >=&hdate=&x=9&y=10 > >Hypothetical question: would you buy a stock if you saw this kind of >distribution? This disturbs me and I don't think I would buy. >The problem is that the majority of breakouts that I have seen display the >same kind of pattern. >Does this really matter? Maybe not - there is always profit taking around >the new highs. Maybe it does matter - we have seen a lot of failed >breakouts lately. > >Another example: PENN is CS stock - has the fundies and the chart. B/O'ed >on great volume, has been pulling back on lower volume. >Look at this link: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=PENN&range=7& mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=9&y=8 > >According to Thompson's institutions are selling into strength. I would >guess that not the selling itself but the relative amount of selling that >matters. >But how do you determine that? Any thoughts? > >Another one: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=ESI&range=30& mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=1&y=9 >Notice how stock rose sharply while institutions were selling. Compare >that to the action of the last couple of weeks: supposely institutions are >accumulating, but the stock is barely moving. What do you think about this >one? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL and PXD bo Date: 16 May 2001 11:34:52 -0400 Sorry, I meant the pivot on PXD, not ROIL. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rick Parsons Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:18 AM Tom, Where do you see the Pivot in ROIL. Thanks, Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:16 PM Anna, on ROIL, are you concerned about the forecasts of declines in earnings of 3% this year and a further decline of 24% next year? I realize that 1st qtr already amounts to 37% of the projected earnings for the entire year, and should they repeat that in the next three qtrs, earnings will rise 50% instead of declining. But I presume the analysts have some reason for their forecasts. On PXD, unless you caught it early today, it's too late as appears extended 10% over pivot. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:27 AM I know I know... This contradiction bothers me.... Btw, ROIL and PXD seem to be breaking out. DISCL: I am in. esetser @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 10:12:31 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I only looked at the first chart, but it seems to me to contradict some of WON's teaching. You are showing high volume and the price moving up. I find it hard to believe this is indicative of "institutional selling". It seems to me that it is likely to be exactly the opposite! I guess my view is this, if a stock will charge up 15% when the institutions are showing selling, then great!, give me stocks that are showing institutional selling!! At 08:45 AM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Tom and everyone, > >I've been trying analyze the data on Thompson's site to figure out how it >can be used to aid in stock selection. >check this out: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=WMS&range=7&m gp=0&hdate >=&hdate=&x=9&y=10 > >Hypothetical question: would you buy a stock if you saw this kind of >distribution? This disturbs me and I don't think I would buy. >The problem is that the majority of breakouts that I have seen display the >same kind of pattern. >Does this really matter? Maybe not - there is always profit taking around >the new highs. Maybe it does matter - we have seen a lot of failed >breakouts lately. > >Another example: PENN is CS stock - has the fundies and the chart. B/O'ed >on great volume, has been pulling back on lower volume. >Look at this link: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=PENN&range=7& mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=9&y=8 > >According to Thompson's institutions are selling into strength. I would >guess that not the selling itself but the relative amount of selling that >matters. >But how do you determine that? Any thoughts? > >Another one: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=ESI&range=30& mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=1&y=9 >Notice how stock rose sharply while institutions were selling. Compare >that to the action of the last couple of weeks: supposely institutions are >accumulating, but the stock is barely moving. What do you think about this >one? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 16 May 2001 08:46:47 -0700 Downgrades again, seems every time a homebuilder reaches a new high it gets downgraded. For this reason and the fact I am probably net negative on my homebuilder buys of the past few months I am very gun-shy on the group, and have not bot the past several B/Os in the group. P.S. COCO did blow past the pivot this AM, now an official B/O, a bit extended here but still buyable IMHO. Also KREM broke out strong on earnings today. Lousy chart, long, sloppy cup w/ hvy vol at the bottom and right side and no handle. Also watching PPDI closely here, could be an HTF or high handle forming. Oh yeah and I didn't see TTEN's B/O mentioned here, quite a dramatic move yesterday at the end of the day. I missed it, not exactly extended yet ( read it as buyable to about 19.60). Overall this is looking like dart-throwing time to me. I am jacking up stops every day and wish I had more cash to invest. I am looking for weak holdings to sell and will sell one or two if I can catch one of these breakouts. Oh yeah & I just bagged USPH, a lousy 60 shares' worth, first time I can recall not being angry at SCH for not fully executing a stop! On 08:00 AM 5/16/01, Perry Stanfield Said: >What's going on with housing today? Any other ideas why my Ryland Group >is down 9% this morning? > >Have a good day everyone > >Perry > Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 16 May 2001 11:57:14 -0400 Bought the RYL on breakout day, sold it today when it violated its pivot on high volume, to cap my loss at 4%. It may bounce back, but rules are rules... -- Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Surindra" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 16 May 2001 12:41:42 -0400 builders are down today overall. NHCH earnings and sales are down. regards surindra -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Rubin Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:57 AM Bought the RYL on breakout day, sold it today when it violated its pivot on high volume, to cap my loss at 4%. It may bounce back, but rules are rules... -- Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 16 May 2001 11:42:35 -0600 On 16 May 01, at 8:46, Tim Fisher wrote: > P.S. COCO did blow past the pivot this AM, now an official B/O, a bit > extended here but still buyable IMHO. Also KREM broke out strong on > earnings today. Lousy chart, long, sloppy cup w/ hvy vol at the bottom and If you take the very narrow view of KREM (soon to be a new symbol, KKD I think, moving to NYSE tomorrow), it formed a flag about where a handle should go, I guess it also qualifies as at least the beginning of a handle. > right side and no handle. Also watching PPDI closely here, could be an HTF > or high handle forming. Oh yeah and I didn't see TTEN's B/O mentioned here, > quite a dramatic move yesterday at the end of the day. I missed it, not > exactly extended yet ( read it as buyable to about 19.60). Energy group as a whole was strong yesterday. TTEN had earnings out last week, P/E is something like 5 or 7 right now, apparently some skepticism about their ability to continue to keep earnings where they are. Quite a bit of talk about stocks related to energy and electricity lately, Cramer mentioned SLB and HAL as sure fire bets, I've heard FLR and JEC mentioned for power plant building, plus you have the oil and gas producers generally doing well. I think all of this qualifies as N, that is, a realization that the US has to commit a lot of money to building power plants, and also that there are some shortages in natural gas, plus new plants need new supplies of natural gas. We are all used to thinking of tech stocks as growth stocks, but I think a few of these energy stocks may qualify in the next few years. Right now som of these are probably too light on the C and A to meet canslim criteria. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Energy stocks Date: 16 May 2001 11:04:36 -0700 JEC is on fire, wish I had caught it a month ago on the B/O from the HTF. IMO JEC, TTEN, CPN, POG, and a host of other energy stocks are eminently qualified under most or all of the CANSLIM criteria. On 10:42 AM 5/16/01, Patrick Wahl Said: >Energy group as a whole was strong yesterday. TTEN had >earnings out last week, P/E is something like 5 or 7 right now, >apparently some skepticism about their ability to continue to keep >earnings where they are. > >Quite a bit of talk about stocks related to energy and electricity >lately, Cramer mentioned SLB and HAL as sure fire bets, I've >heard FLR and JEC mentioned for power plant building, plus you >have the oil and gas producers generally doing well. I think all of >this qualifies as N, that is, a realization that the US has to commit >a lot of money to building power plants, and also that there are >some shortages in natural gas, plus new plants need new supplies >of natural gas. We are all used to thinking of tech stocks as >growth stocks, but I think a few of these energy stocks may qualify >in the next few years. Right now som of these are probably too >light on the C and A to meet canslim criteria. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT & ROIL Date: 16 May 2001 11:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Where is the pivot on IGT? So hard to keep the disciple when you like a stock and watch it go up until it hits that pivot. Any comments on ROIL, another on my watch list that seemed to pass me by today while I was not paying attention. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Smith" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 16 May 2001 13:26:40 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C0DE0B.D77EECC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OSalomon's downgraded the whole sector this = morning... Salomon on Homebuilding : Salomon Smith Barney downgrades a host of = small-cap homebuilding stocks, saying the current excitement in the area = is short-sighted, as national housing figures are likely to weaken by = mid-year, if not sooner; believes downside risk in many names now = outweighs upside potential, and recommends using any continued strength = in the group to take profits; firm lowers ratings Schuler Homes (SHLR) = and M.D.C. Holdings (MDC) to OUTPERFORM from BUY; cuts Beazer (BZH), Del = Webb (WBB), Hovnanian (HOV) and Ryland Group (RYL) to NEUTRAL from = OUTPERFORM.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Stanfield=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] RYL What's going on with housing today? Any other ideas why my Ryland = Group is down 9% this morning? =20 Have a good day everyone Perry ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C0DE0B.D77EECC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

Salomon's downgraded the whole = sector this=20 morning...

Salomon on Homebuilding : Salomon = Smith=20 Barney downgrades a host of small-cap homebuilding = stocks,=20 saying the current excitement in the area is short-sighted, as = national=20 housing figures are likely to weaken by mid-year, if not sooner; = believes=20 downside risk in many names now outweighs upside potential, and = recommends using=20 any continued strength in the group to take profits; firm lowers ratings = Schuler=20 Homes (SHLR) and M.D.C. Holdings (MDC) to OUTPERFORM from BUY; cuts = Beazer=20 (BZH), Del Webb (WBB), Hovnanian (HOV) and Ryland Group (RYL) to NEUTRAL = from=20 OUTPERFORM.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Perry = Stanfield=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 11:00=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] RYL

What's going on with housing today?  Any = other ideas=20  why my Ryland Group is down 9% this morning?  =
 
Have a good day everyone
 
Perry
 
------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C0DE0B.D77EECC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Energy stocks FLR is breaking out? Date: 16 May 2001 14:27:02 -0400 What are FLR fundies? (Sorry, do not have access to IBD data right now) It is breaking out from what could be seen as HTF. Anna Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/16/2001 02:04:36 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: JEC is on fire, wish I had caught it a month ago on the B/O from the HTF. IMO JEC, TTEN, CPN, POG, and a host of other energy stocks are eminently qualified under most or all of the CANSLIM criteria. On 10:42 AM 5/16/01, Patrick Wahl Said: >Energy group as a whole was strong yesterday. TTEN had >earnings out last week, P/E is something like 5 or 7 right now, >apparently some skepticism about their ability to continue to keep >earnings where they are. > >Quite a bit of talk about stocks related to energy and electricity >lately, Cramer mentioned SLB and HAL as sure fire bets, I've >heard FLR and JEC mentioned for power plant building, plus you >have the oil and gas producers generally doing well. I think all of >this qualifies as N, that is, a realization that the US has to commit >a lot of money to building power plants, and also that there are >some shortages in natural gas, plus new plants need new supplies >of natural gas. We are all used to thinking of tech stocks as >growth stocks, but I think a few of these energy stocks may qualify >in the next few years. Right now som of these are probably too >light on the C and A to meet canslim criteria. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dannygottlieb" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CNTL Date: 16 May 2001 22:52:43 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C0DE5A.EAEE90E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ditto Danny ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] CNTL BO on good volume. Popped real fast unable to take a position.=20 Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C0DE5A.EAEE90E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ditto  Danny
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 4:09=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] CNTL

BO on good = volume.=20 Popped real fast unable to take a position.

Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01C0DE5A.EAEE90E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] EASI close to B/O Date: 16 May 2001 16:08:56 EDT --part1_7a.14eb5903.28343858_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EASI 97/98 AAD is getting close to a B/O might be worth watching tomorrow. Chris. --part1_7a.14eb5903.28343858_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EASI 97/98 AAD is getting close to a B/O might be worth watching tomorrow.

Chris. --part1_7a.14eb5903.28343858_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Energy stocks FLR is breaking out? Date: 16 May 2001 14:49:14 -0600 I only have the Quotes Plus number and the EPS number is low, but the chart looks good, I read it the same way you do, so its probably more of a short term trade type thing than a Canslim buy. On 16 May 01, at 14:27, asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > What are FLR fundies? (Sorry, do not have access to IBD data right now) > It is breaking out from what could be seen as HTF. > > Anna > > > > Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/16/2001 02:04:36 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Energy stocks > > > JEC is on fire, wish I had caught it a month ago on the B/O from the HTF. > IMO JEC, TTEN, CPN, POG, and a host of other energy stocks are eminently > qualified under most or all of the CANSLIM criteria. > > On 10:42 AM 5/16/01, Patrick Wahl Said: > > >Energy group as a whole was strong yesterday. TTEN had > >earnings out last week, P/E is something like 5 or 7 right now, > >apparently some skepticism about their ability to continue to keep > >earnings where they are. > > > >Quite a bit of talk about stocks related to energy and electricity > >lately, Cramer mentioned SLB and HAL as sure fire bets, I've > >heard FLR and JEC mentioned for power plant building, plus you > >have the oil and gas producers generally doing well. I think all of > >this qualifies as N, that is, a realization that the US has to commit > >a lot of money to building power plants, and also that there are > >some shortages in natural gas, plus new plants need new supplies > >of natural gas. We are all used to thinking of tech stocks as > >growth stocks, but I think a few of these energy stocks may qualify > >in the next few years. Right now som of these are probably too > >light on the C and A to meet canslim criteria. > > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Energy stocks FLR is breaking out? Date: 16 May 2001 14:22:03 -0700 FLR 10 94 A N/A A Not exactly due to hit the Weekend review next week............ Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:49 PM > I only have the Quotes Plus number and the EPS number is low, > but the chart looks good, I read it the same way you do, so its > probably more of a short term trade type thing than a Canslim buy. > > On 16 May 01, at 14:27, asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > What are FLR fundies? (Sorry, do not have access to IBD data right now) > > It is breaking out from what could be seen as HTF. > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/16/2001 02:04:36 PM > > > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Energy stocks > > > > > > JEC is on fire, wish I had caught it a month ago on the B/O from the HTF. > > IMO JEC, TTEN, CPN, POG, and a host of other energy stocks are eminently > > qualified under most or all of the CANSLIM criteria. > > > > On 10:42 AM 5/16/01, Patrick Wahl Said: > > > > >Energy group as a whole was strong yesterday. TTEN had > > >earnings out last week, P/E is something like 5 or 7 right now, > > >apparently some skepticism about their ability to continue to keep > > >earnings where they are. > > > > > >Quite a bit of talk about stocks related to energy and electricity > > >lately, Cramer mentioned SLB and HAL as sure fire bets, I've > > >heard FLR and JEC mentioned for power plant building, plus you > > >have the oil and gas producers generally doing well. I think all of > > >this qualifies as N, that is, a realization that the US has to commit > > >a lot of money to building power plants, and also that there are > > >some shortages in natural gas, plus new plants need new supplies > > >of natural gas. We are all used to thinking of tech stocks as > > >growth stocks, but I think a few of these energy stocks may qualify > > >in the next few years. Right now som of these are probably too > > >light on the C and A to meet canslim criteria. > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EASI close to B/O Date: 16 May 2001 14:43:09 -0700 (PDT) This may break out as the market rises but it is does not have a great CANSLIM chart formation. First, note that the handle on the right side of the cup is not sloping down on decreasing volume. The breakout seemed to have come after forming short base at the end of April, if anything this shows that the stock might be extended. Also note the the sequential earnings growth and sales growth have been decreasing, quarter to quarter. That said, right now the market looks like a rising sea that will take a lot of stocks up. Steve --- Vanchee1@aol.com wrote: > EASI 97/98 AAD is getting close to a B/O might be > worth watching tomorrow. > > Chris. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 16 May 2001 19:37:45 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0DE3F.AEF3E7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/ORick, Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of focusing on, and trying to = only find, cup and handle patterns. This is only one of the numerous = valid and successful CANSLIM chart patterns to look for. I would suggest = you review those 40 stocks again with Chapter 14 of HTMMIS (How to Read = Charts Like an Expert) open beside you. It should make more sense then. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I subscribed to Daily Graphs the paper edition in order to get the DGO = discount. They sent me a booklet titled "Forty Great Stock Market = Winners". If one scans thru these stock charts, they will see many do = NOT have a classic easy to recognize cup and handles or if they do, they = are hard to recognize or are sloppy. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it shot = out without a handle.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O=20 Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great = vol, on=20 my HGS list.=20 Tim Fisher=20 Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites=20 Tim@OreRockOn.com=20 WWW: http://OreRockOn.com=20 See naked fish and rocks!=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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Rick,
 
Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of focusing = on, and=20 trying to only find, cup and handle patterns.  This is only one of = the=20 numerous valid and successful CANSLIM chart patterns to look for. I = would=20 suggest you review those 40 stocks again with Chapter 14 of HTMMIS (How = to Read=20 Charts Like an Expert) open beside you. It should make more sense=20 then.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Parsons
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 10:29=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

I subscribed to Daily Graphs the paper edition in = order to get=20 the DGO discount.  They sent me a booklet titled "Forty Great = Stock=20 Market Winners".  If one scans thru these stock charts, they will = see=20 many do NOT have a classic easy to recognize cup and handles or = if they=20 do, they are hard to recognize or are = sloppy.
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = DiFabio,=20 Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO=20 B/O

 I don't see a handle.  Where is the = handle. =20 It looks like it shot out without a handle.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim=20 Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] COCO B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will = be reached,=20 great vol, on
my HGS list.

Tim Fisher
Ore-Rock-On = and Pacific=20 Fishery Biologists WWW Sites

Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: = http://OreRockOn.com=20
See naked fish and rocks!


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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0DE3F.AEF3E7E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 16 May 2001 17:04:38 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DE64.9A2F2250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Thanks for the suggestion. That will be my assignment this evening. Perhaps it will alleviate my cup and handle mania. Maybe I can replace this fixation with another chart pattern fixation, at least temporarily. -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:38 PM Rick, Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of focusing on, and trying to only find, cup and handle patterns. This is only one of the numerous valid and successful CANSLIM chart patterns to look for. I would suggest you review those 40 stocks again with Chapter 14 of HTMMIS (How to Read Charts Like an Expert) open beside you. It should make more sense then. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:29 AM I subscribed to Daily Graphs the paper edition in order to get the DGO discount. They sent me a booklet titled "Forty Great Stock Market Winners". If one scans thru these stock charts, they will see many do NOT have a classic easy to recognize cup and handles or if they do, they are hard to recognize or are sloppy. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it shot out without a handle. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on my HGS list. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 -- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================ == "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/16/01 17:03:23 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DE64.9A2F2250 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
Tom,
Thanks for the suggestion.
That will be my assignment this evening.  Perhaps it will alleviate my cup and handle mania.  Maybe I can replace this fixation with another chart pattern fixation, at least temporarily.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:38 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

Rick,
 
Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of focusing on, and trying to only find, cup and handle patterns.  This is only one of the numerous valid and successful CANSLIM chart patterns to look for. I would suggest you review those 40 stocks again with Chapter 14 of HTMMIS (How to Read Charts Like an Expert) open beside you. It should make more sense then.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

I subscribed to Daily Graphs the paper edition in order to get the DGO discount.  They sent me a booklet titled "Forty Great Stock Market Winners".  If one scans thru these stock charts, they will see many do NOT have a classic easy to recognize cup and handles or if they do, they are hard to recognize or are sloppy.
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

 I don't see a handle.  Where is the handle.  It looks like it shot out without a handle.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on
my HGS list.

Tim Fisher
Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites

Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
See naked fish and rocks!


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DE64.9A2F2250-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT & ROIL Date: 16 May 2001 18:50:32 -0600 Good question. Personally I'd say if IGT gets above 57 its a breakout. But others in this group would get more precise. I'm thinking it's finally due...especially after seeing stocks like coco and krem breakout. At 11:04 AM 5/16/01 -0700, you wrote: >Where is the pivot on IGT? So hard to keep the >disciple when you like a stock and watch it go up >until it hits that pivot. > >Any comments on ROIL, another on my watch list that >seemed to pass me by today while I was not paying >attention. > >Steve > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Oil Related Stocks Date: 16 May 2001 20:45:09 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C0DE49.18CDE720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Read a report today that finally made a little sense of the large number = of stocks with dismal earnings forecasts for 2002, despite good looking = growth this year. Seems a large expenditure is being made in = exploration and production currently which is outside OPEC nations. = Increased production from non-OPEC nations this year is expected to = reach one million barrels per day, equaling the expected new demand. As = a result, OPEC now thinks that maintaining their target price of = $25/barrel will become unsustainable by second qtr 2002. Sounds like OPEC boxed themselves in. By keeping prices high and stable = with restricted quotas, they made further capital investments attractive = to the producers that could either revitalize a low producing field, or = explore new fields, with the anticipation of good selling prices. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C0DE49.18CDE720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Read a report today that finally made a little sense = of the=20 large number of stocks with dismal earnings forecasts for 2002, despite = good=20 looking growth this year.  Seems a large expenditure is being made = in=20 exploration and production currently which is outside OPEC nations. = Increased=20 production from non-OPEC nations this year is expected to reach one = million=20 barrels per day, equaling the expected new demand.  As a result, = OPEC now=20 thinks that maintaining their target price of $25/barrel will become=20 unsustainable by second qtr 2002.
 
Sounds like OPEC boxed themselves in. By keeping = prices high=20 and stable with restricted quotas, they made further capital investments = attractive to the producers that could either revitalize a low producing = field,=20 or explore new fields, with the anticipation of good selling=20 prices.
 
Tom Worley
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------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C0DE49.18CDE720-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 16 May 2001 20:56:39 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C0DE4A.B4521BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OJust stay away from the small and micro caps, they = can be truly addictive. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Tom, Thanks for the suggestion. That will be my assignment this evening. Perhaps it will alleviate my = cup and handle mania. Maybe I can replace this fixation with another = chart pattern fixation, at least temporarily. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:38 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Rick, Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of focusing on, and trying = to only find, cup and handle patterns. This is only one of the numerous = valid and successful CANSLIM chart patterns to look for. I would suggest = you review those 40 stocks again with Chapter 14 of HTMMIS (How to Read = Charts Like an Expert) open beside you. It should make more sense then. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I subscribed to Daily Graphs the paper edition in order to get the = DGO discount. They sent me a booklet titled "Forty Great Stock Market = Winners". If one scans thru these stock charts, they will see many do = NOT have a classic easy to recognize cup and handles or if they do, they = are hard to recognize or are sloppy. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it = shot out without a handle.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O=20 Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, = great vol, on=20 my HGS list.=20 Tim Fisher=20 Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites=20 Tim@OreRockOn.com=20 WWW: http://OreRockOn.com=20 See naked fish and rocks!=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may = include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any = distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the = intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you = are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to = this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/16/01 17:03:23 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended = recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then = delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C0DE4A.B4521BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
Just stay away from the small and micro caps, they = can be=20 truly addictive.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 8:04=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

Tom,
Thanks for the suggestion.
That=20 will be my assignment this evening.  Perhaps it will alleviate my = cup and=20 handle mania.  Maybe I can replace this fixation with = another chart=20 pattern fixation, at least temporarily.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:38 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO=20 B/O

Rick,
 
Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of = focusing on,=20 and trying to only find, cup and handle patterns.  This is only = one of=20 the numerous valid and successful CANSLIM chart patterns to look = for. I=20 would suggest you review those 40 stocks again with Chapter 14 of = HTMMIS=20 (How to Read Charts Like an Expert) open beside you. It should make = more=20 sense then.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rick Parsons
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, = 2001 10:29=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

I subscribed to Daily = Graphs the paper=20 edition in order to get the DGO discount.  They sent me a = booklet=20 titled "Forty Great Stock Market Winners".  If one scans thru = these=20 stock charts, they will see many do NOT have a classic easy to=20 recognize cup and handles or if they do, they are hard to = recognize=20 or are sloppy.
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = DiFabio,=20 Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 = PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = COCO=20 B/O

 I don't see a handle.  Where is the = handle.  It looks like it shot out without a handle. =

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] COCO B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 = will be=20 reached, great vol, on
my HGS = list.

Tim Fisher
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------=_NextPart_000_00DE_01C0DE4A.B4521BC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT & ROIL Date: 16 May 2001 21:08:25 -0400 Because the high point on the right rim reached 4/18 was done on a gap up and on 2X ADV (and also slightly exceeded the left side of the rim), I might try to fudge a little and use the high in the handle of 57.74 reached 4/26. That would put the pivot at 57.86, but I would only use that if volume was at least 1.5 ADV, and preferably more. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:50 PM Good question. Personally I'd say if IGT gets above 57 its a breakout. But others in this group would get more precise. I'm thinking it's finally due...especially after seeing stocks like coco and krem breakout. At 11:04 AM 5/16/01 -0700, you wrote: >Where is the pivot on IGT? So hard to keep the >disciple when you like a stock and watch it go up >until it hits that pivot. > >Any comments on ROIL, another on my watch list that >seemed to pass me by today while I was not paying >attention. > >Steve > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: COCO, TTEN (was Re: [CANSLIM] RYL) Date: 16 May 2001 21:23:26 -0400 Nice grab early on COCO, Tim. DGO now reports on TTEN total shares outstanding of 14.6 million (Management owns 34%) Float of 8.5 million (Funds own 33% and Banks 12%). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:46 AM Downgrades again, seems every time a homebuilder reaches a new high it gets downgraded. For this reason and the fact I am probably net negative on my homebuilder buys of the past few months I am very gun-shy on the group, and have not bot the past several B/Os in the group. P.S. COCO did blow past the pivot this AM, now an official B/O, a bit extended here but still buyable IMHO. Also KREM broke out strong on earnings today. Lousy chart, long, sloppy cup w/ hvy vol at the bottom and right side and no handle. Also watching PPDI closely here, could be an HTF or high handle forming. Oh yeah and I didn't see TTEN's B/O mentioned here, quite a dramatic move yesterday at the end of the day. I missed it, not exactly extended yet ( read it as buyable to about 19.60). Overall this is looking like dart-throwing time to me. I am jacking up stops every day and wish I had more cash to invest. I am looking for weak holdings to sell and will sell one or two if I can catch one of these breakouts. Oh yeah & I just bagged USPH, a lousy 60 shares' worth, first time I can recall not being angry at SCH for not fully executing a stop! On 08:00 AM 5/16/01, Perry Stanfield Said: >What's going on with housing today? Any other ideas why my Ryland Group >is down 9% this morning? > >Have a good day everyone > >Perry > Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL and PXD bo Date: 16 May 2001 21:16:59 -0400 I likely would have used the 20.10 + an eighth for 20.22 from 4/26, on good volume. The high reached 12/28 of 20.63 is just too old for me considering what "M" has been like since. B/O was yesterday, on 3X ADV, and I would consider it too extended at the moment. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:34 AM Sorry, I meant the pivot on PXD, not ROIL. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rick Parsons Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:18 AM Tom, Where do you see the Pivot in ROIL. Thanks, Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:16 PM Anna, on ROIL, are you concerned about the forecasts of declines in earnings of 3% this year and a further decline of 24% next year? I realize that 1st qtr already amounts to 37% of the projected earnings for the entire year, and should they repeat that in the next three qtrs, earnings will rise 50% instead of declining. But I presume the analysts have some reason for their forecasts. On PXD, unless you caught it early today, it's too late as appears extended 10% over pivot. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:27 AM I know I know... This contradiction bothers me.... Btw, ROIL and PXD seem to be breaking out. DISCL: I am in. esetser @lists.xmission.com on 05/15/2001 10:12:31 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I only looked at the first chart, but it seems to me to contradict some of WON's teaching. You are showing high volume and the price moving up. I find it hard to believe this is indicative of "institutional selling". It seems to me that it is likely to be exactly the opposite! I guess my view is this, if a stock will charge up 15% when the institutions are showing selling, then great!, give me stocks that are showing institutional selling!! At 08:45 AM 5/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi Tom and everyone, > >I've been trying analyze the data on Thompson's site to figure out how it >can be used to aid in stock selection. >check this out: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=WMS&range=7&m gp=0&hdate >=&hdate=&x=9&y=10 > >Hypothetical question: would you buy a stock if you saw this kind of >distribution? This disturbs me and I don't think I would buy. >The problem is that the majority of breakouts that I have seen display the >same kind of pattern. >Does this really matter? Maybe not - there is always profit taking around >the new highs. Maybe it does matter - we have seen a lot of failed >breakouts lately. > >Another example: PENN is CS stock - has the fundies and the chart. B/O'ed >on great volume, has been pulling back on lower volume. >Look at this link: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=PENN&range=7& mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=9&y=8 > >According to Thompson's institutions are selling into strength. I would >guess that not the selling itself but the relative amount of selling that >matters. >But how do you determine that? Any thoughts? > >Another one: >http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=ESI&range=30& mgp=0&i=3&h date > >&x=1&y=9 >Notice how stock rose sharply while institutions were selling. Compare >that to the action of the last couple of weeks: supposely institutions are >accumulating, but the stock is barely moving. What do you think about this >one? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EASI close to B/O Date: 16 May 2001 18:52:42 -0700 I see technical weakness, therefore would be suspect of a b/o

Vanchee1@aol.com wrote:

EASI 97/98 AAD is getting close to a B/O might be worth watching tomorrow.

Chris.

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On the other hand, altho I am not familiar with the terms of the original IPO, I note that of the 73.8 million shares issued, 70.8 million is in the float, thus management kept very little (someone familiar with the company may know if this was an original "family owned" type business where the family was no longer a significant part of the management, that's what it looks like to me). In any case, that means that a huge increase in the numbers of shares outstanding is still being weighed into the nr of shares used to determine the earnings per share. That can substantially hurt WON's calculation of EPS rank percentile. And the year ago earnings being used for comparisons are all "pro forma". Best way of really examining these earnings is to look at the actual dollars netted a year ago vs latest net dollars. That will show better what, if any, rate of growth there is. This is why I won't even consider an IPO until it is at least a year old. Too much homework, and too many possibilities of data distortion. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:22 PM FLR 10 94 A N/A A Not exactly due to hit the Weekend review next week............ Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:49 PM > I only have the Quotes Plus number and the EPS number is low, > but the chart looks good, I read it the same way you do, so its > probably more of a short term trade type thing than a Canslim buy. > > On 16 May 01, at 14:27, asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > What are FLR fundies? (Sorry, do not have access to IBD data right now) > > It is breaking out from what could be seen as HTF. > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/16/2001 02:04:36 PM > > > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > cc: > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Energy stocks > > > > > > JEC is on fire, wish I had caught it a month ago on the B/O from the HTF. > > IMO JEC, TTEN, CPN, POG, and a host of other energy stocks are eminently > > qualified under most or all of the CANSLIM criteria. > > > > On 10:42 AM 5/16/01, Patrick Wahl Said: > > > > >Energy group as a whole was strong yesterday. TTEN had > > >earnings out last week, P/E is something like 5 or 7 right now, > > >apparently some skepticism about their ability to continue to keep > > >earnings where they are. > > > > > >Quite a bit of talk about stocks related to energy and electricity > > >lately, Cramer mentioned SLB and HAL as sure fire bets, I've > > >heard FLR and JEC mentioned for power plant building, plus you > > >have the oil and gas producers generally doing well. I think all of > > >this qualifies as N, that is, a realization that the US has to commit > > >a lot of money to building power plants, and also that there are > > >some shortages in natural gas, plus new plants need new supplies > > >of natural gas. We are all used to thinking of tech stocks as > > >growth stocks, but I think a few of these energy stocks may qualify > > >in the next few years. Right now som of these are probably too > > >light on the C and A to meet canslim criteria. > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 16 May 2001 19:10:52 -0700 (PDT) I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it was breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip during the day. Checking back later in the day, ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy and ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. How should I have handled this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 16 May 2001 22:56:36 -0400 Steve, The first comment I would offer is why were you so determined to buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast of a decline in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional decline next year of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The further comment I would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. Honestly, this stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base pattern of any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a pivot or buy point. And today's market was exceptionally volatile, compared to recent weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to open orders close to execution. Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good chart pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the volatility since early Feb without significant price appreciation, I would suspect that large holders have been using every rally as an exit opportunity. I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that tomorrow or some future day will present you with a rally where you can consider exiting without damage. But I would not let this one fall too much further before exiting. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it was breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip during the day. Checking back later in the day, ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy and ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. How should I have handled this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 4 distribution days Date: 16 May 2001 21:52:52 -0600 Hmm, that's a different view. IBD was just talking about how the recent weakness was almost always on lower volume days, and they identified very few, if any recent, D-Days. At 02:31 PM 5/16/01 +0300, you wrote: >I see 4 distribution days in the last 11 days on the DJI. >That's a sign of weakness according to O'Neil. > >MG >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 16 May 2001 21:55:18 -0600 I hit my stop on Ryland today. Apparently, Solomon-Smith-Barney downgraded 5 housing stocks, included RYL. Ouch, it really took a big hit, more than 10% at one point. At 08:00 AM 5/16/01 -0700, you wrote: > What's going on with housing today? Any other ideas why my Ryland Group is down 9% this morning? Have a good day everyone Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 16 May 2001 20:53:24 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C0DE4A.3FC69920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OBuilding permits, reported today, were down 2.5% = even tho new home starts were up, adding to the perceived weakness in = the sector for the future. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Smith=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Salomon's downgraded the whole sector this morning... Salomon on Homebuilding : Salomon Smith Barney downgrades a host of = small-cap homebuilding stocks, saying the current excitement in the area = is short-sighted, as national housing figures are likely to weaken by = mid-year, if not sooner; believes downside risk in many names now = outweighs upside potential, and recommends using any continued strength = in the group to take profits; firm lowers ratings Schuler Homes (SHLR) = and M.D.C. Holdings (MDC) to OUTPERFORM from BUY; cuts Beazer (BZH), Del = Webb (WBB), Hovnanian (HOV) and Ryland Group (RYL) to NEUTRAL from = OUTPERFORM.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Stanfield=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] RYL What's going on with housing today? Any other ideas why my Ryland = Group is down 9% this morning? =20 =20 Have a good day everyone =20 Perry =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C0DE4A.3FC69920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
Building permits, reported today, were down 2.5% = even tho new=20 home starts were up, adding to the perceived weakness in the sector for = the=20 future.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David Smith
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 1:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = RYL

Salomon's downgraded the whole = sector this=20 morning...

Salomon on Homebuilding : = Salomon Smith=20 Barney downgrades a host of small-cap homebuilding = stocks,=20 saying the current excitement in the area is short-sighted, as = national=20 housing figures are likely to weaken by mid-year, if not sooner; = believes=20 downside risk in many names now outweighs upside potential, and = recommends=20 using any continued strength in the group to take profits; firm lowers = ratings=20 Schuler Homes (SHLR) and M.D.C. Holdings (MDC) to OUTPERFORM from BUY; = cuts=20 Beazer (BZH), Del Webb (WBB), Hovnanian (HOV) and Ryland Group (RYL) = to=20 NEUTRAL from OUTPERFORM.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Perry = Stanfield=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 11:00=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] RYL

What's going on with housing today?  Any = other ideas=20  why my Ryland Group is down 9% this morning?  =
 
Have a good day everyone
 
Perry
 
------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C0DE4A.3FC69920-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 16 May 2001 22:18:32 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0DE56.242174E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OTom, or others, do YOU perceive a weakness in the = sector? If so, would you dump RYL if your basis was 50.00 per share = (that's where it is now)? Or would you wait for it to drop another 8%? I'm inclined to wait. I don't buy it (the downgrade), but I don't = suspect my opinion is as informed as yours. Thanks Perry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Building permits, reported today, were down 2.5% even tho new home = starts were up, adding to the perceived weakness in the sector for the = future. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Smith=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Salomon's downgraded the whole sector this morning... Salomon on Homebuilding : Salomon Smith Barney downgrades a host of = small-cap homebuilding stocks, saying the current excitement in the area = is short-sighted, as national housing figures are likely to weaken by = mid-year, if not sooner; believes downside risk in many names now = outweighs upside potential, and recommends using any continued strength = in the group to take profits; firm lowers ratings Schuler Homes (SHLR) = and M.D.C. Holdings (MDC) to OUTPERFORM from BUY; cuts Beazer (BZH), Del = Webb (WBB), Hovnanian (HOV) and Ryland Group (RYL) to NEUTRAL from = OUTPERFORM.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Stanfield=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] RYL What's going on with housing today? Any other ideas why my = Ryland Group is down 9% this morning? =20 Have a good day everyone Perry ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0DE56.242174E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
Tom, or others,  do YOU perceive a = weakness in the=20 sector?  If so, would you dump RYL if your basis was 50.00 per = share=20 (that's where it is now)?  Or would you wait for it to drop another = 8%?
 
I'm inclined to wait.  I don't buy it (the = downgrade),=20 but I don't suspect my opinion is as informed as yours.
 
Thanks
 
Perry
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 5:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = RYL

Building permits, reported today, were down 2.5% = even tho=20 new home starts were up, adding to the perceived weakness in the = sector for=20 the future.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 1:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = RYL

Salomon's downgraded the = whole sector=20 this morning...

Salomon on Homebuilding : = Salomon Smith=20 Barney downgrades a host of small-cap homebuilding = stocks,=20 saying the current excitement in the area is short-sighted, as = national=20 housing figures are likely to weaken by mid-year, if not sooner; = believes=20 downside risk in many names now outweighs upside potential, and = recommends=20 using any continued strength in the group to take profits; firm = lowers=20 ratings Schuler Homes (SHLR) and M.D.C. Holdings (MDC) to OUTPERFORM = from=20 BUY; cuts Beazer (BZH), Del Webb (WBB), Hovnanian (HOV) and Ryland = Group=20 (RYL) to NEUTRAL from OUTPERFORM.

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Perry = Stanfield=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, = 2001 11:00=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = RYL

What's going on with housing today?  Any = other=20 ideas  why my Ryland Group is down 9% this = morning? =20
 
Have a good day everyone
 
Perry
 
------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C0DE56.242174E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Date: 17 May 2001 07:06:57 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0DE9F.F68D5E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OBuilding permits dropping 2.5% suggests to me that = the builders perceive a weakening demand. Characteristically, when rates = are falling, and perceived to fall further, people don't rush to = refinance or sign a contract for a new house. Everyone wants to lock in = the lowest possible rate, since it is a long term commitment. I haven't = seen a report of the housing inventory in a month or so, but there may = be an inventory glut developing there, worth checking out. On RYL, the chart suggests short term support in the mid to upper 40s. = On the other hand, WON says to never take a loss once you were up 15%, = and you did not quite reach that point. I assume you have a hard or = mental stop at 46? So I guess you could give it today and tomorrow to = see if it rebounds. Right now the market looks like a positive opening.=20 The housing market has done remarkably well during both some really ugly = "M" as well as with a weakening economy. The downgrade yesterday gave a = lot of investors an excuse to take profits, esp with the market showing = signs of taking off, including in the tech sector. It may only affect = RYL for a brief period, or there may be further downgrades if there = really is weakness in the sector. If not using a hard stop at 46, I = would suggest one. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Stanfield=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Tom, or others, do YOU perceive a weakness in the sector? If so, = would you dump RYL if your basis was 50.00 per share (that's where it is = now)? Or would you wait for it to drop another 8%? =20 I'm inclined to wait. I don't buy it (the downgrade), but I don't = suspect my opinion is as informed as yours. =20 Thanks =20 Perry =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Building permits, reported today, were down 2.5% even tho new home = starts were up, adding to the perceived weakness in the sector for the = future. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Smith=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL Salomon's downgraded the whole sector this morning... Salomon on Homebuilding : Salomon Smith Barney downgrades a host = of small-cap homebuilding stocks, saying the current excitement in the = area is short-sighted, as national housing figures are likely to weaken = by mid-year, if not sooner; believes downside risk in many names now = outweighs upside potential, and recommends using any continued strength = in the group to take profits; firm lowers ratings Schuler Homes (SHLR) = and M.D.C. Holdings (MDC) to OUTPERFORM from BUY; cuts Beazer (BZH), Del = Webb (WBB), Hovnanian (HOV) and Ryland Group (RYL) to NEUTRAL from = OUTPERFORM.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Stanfield=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] RYL What's going on with housing today? Any other ideas why my = Ryland Group is down 9% this morning? =20 =20 Have a good day everyone =20 Perry =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0DE9F.F68D5E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
Building permits dropping 2.5% suggests to me that = the=20 builders perceive a weakening demand. Characteristically, when rates are = falling, and perceived to fall further, people don't rush to refinance = or sign a=20 contract for a new house.  Everyone wants to lock in the lowest = possible=20 rate, since it is a long term commitment.  I haven't seen a report = of the=20 housing inventory in a month or so, but there may be an inventory glut=20 developing there, worth checking out.
 
On RYL, the chart suggests short term support in the = mid to=20 upper 40s. On the other hand, WON says to never take a loss once you = were up=20 15%, and you did not quite reach that point. I assume you have a hard or = mental=20 stop at 46? So I guess you could give it today and tomorrow to see if it = rebounds. Right now the market looks like a positive opening. =
 
The housing market has done remarkably well during = both some=20 really ugly "M" as well as with a weakening economy. The downgrade = yesterday=20 gave a lot of investors an excuse to take profits, esp with the market = showing=20 signs of taking off, including in the tech sector.  It may only = affect RYL=20 for a brief period, or there may be further downgrades if there really = is=20 weakness in the sector. If not using a hard stop at 46, I would suggest=20 one.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Perry = Stanfield=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 = 1:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = RYL

Tom, or others,  do YOU perceive a = weakness in the=20 sector?  If so, would you dump RYL if your basis was 50.00 per = share=20 (that's where it is now)?  Or would you wait for it to drop = another=20 8%?
 
I'm inclined to wait.  I don't buy it (the = downgrade),=20 but I don't suspect my opinion is as informed as yours.
 
Thanks
 
Perry
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 5:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = RYL

Building permits, reported today, were down 2.5% = even tho=20 new home starts were up, adding to the perceived weakness in the = sector for=20 the future.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 David Smith
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, = 2001 1:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = RYL

Salomon's downgraded the = whole sector=20 this morning...

Salomon on Homebuilding : = Salomon Smith=20 Barney downgrades a host of small-cap = homebuilding=20 stocks, saying the current excitement in the area is = short-sighted,=20 as national housing figures are likely to weaken by mid-year, if = not=20 sooner; believes downside risk in many names now outweighs upside=20 potential, and recommends using any continued strength in the = group to=20 take profits; firm lowers ratings Schuler Homes (SHLR) and M.D.C. = Holdings=20 (MDC) to OUTPERFORM from BUY; cuts Beazer (BZH), Del Webb (WBB), = Hovnanian=20 (HOV) and Ryland Group (RYL) to NEUTRAL from OUTPERFORM.=20

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Perry = Stanfield
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, = 2001 11:00=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = RYL

What's going on with housing today?  = Any other=20 ideas  why my Ryland Group is down 9% this = morning? =20
 
Have a good day everyone
 
Perry
 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0DE9F.F68D5E00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 17 May 2001 09:19:12 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0DEB2.6F7298A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OAddictive? But do you find them more profitable? Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:57 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Just stay away from the small and micro caps, they can be truly = addictive. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Tom, Thanks for the suggestion. That will be my assignment this evening. Perhaps it will alleviate = my cup and handle mania. Maybe I can replace this fixation with another = chart pattern fixation, at least temporarily. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:38 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Rick, Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of focusing on, and = trying to only find, cup and handle patterns. This is only one of the = numerous valid and successful CANSLIM chart patterns to look for. I = would suggest you review those 40 stocks again with Chapter 14 of HTMMIS = (How to Read Charts Like an Expert) open beside you. It should make more = sense then. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I subscribed to Daily Graphs the paper edition in order to get = the DGO discount. They sent me a booklet titled "Forty Great Stock = Market Winners". If one scans thru these stock charts, they will see = many do NOT have a classic easy to recognize cup and handles or if they = do, they are hard to recognize or are sloppy. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like it = shot out without a handle.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O=20 Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, = great vol, on=20 my HGS list.=20 Tim Fisher=20 Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites=20 Tim@OreRockOn.com=20 WWW: http://OreRockOn.com=20 See naked fish and rocks!=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may = include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any = distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the = intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you = are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to = this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/16/01 17:03:23 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended = recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then = delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C0DEB2.6F7298A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
Addictive?  But do you find them more=20 profitable?
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:57 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO=20 B/O

Just stay away from the small and micro caps, they = can be=20 truly addictive.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 8:04=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

Tom,
Thanks for the suggestion.
That will be my assignment this evening.  Perhaps it = will=20 alleviate my cup and handle mania.  Maybe I can = replace this=20 fixation with another chart pattern fixation, at least=20 temporarily.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:38 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO=20 B/O

Rick,
 
Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of = focusing on,=20 and trying to only find, cup and handle patterns.  This is = only one=20 of the numerous valid and successful CANSLIM chart patterns to = look for. I=20 would suggest you review those 40 stocks again with Chapter 14 of = HTMMIS=20 (How to Read Charts Like an Expert) open beside you. It should = make more=20 sense then.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rick Parsons =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, = 2001 10:29=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = COCO=20 B/O

I subscribed to Daily Graphs = the paper=20 edition in order to get the DGO discount.  They sent me a = booklet=20 titled "Forty Great Stock Market Winners".  If one scans = thru these=20 stock charts, they will see many do NOT have a classic easy to=20 recognize cup and handles or if they do, they are hard to = recognize=20 or are sloppy.
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of = DiFabio,=20 Nancy
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 = PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = COCO=20 B/O

 I don't see a handle.  Where is = the=20 handle.  It looks like it shot out without a = handle.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] COCO B/O


Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 = will be=20 reached, great vol, on
my HGS = list.=20

Tim Fisher
Ore-Rock-On and=20 Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites

Tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW: http://OreRockOn.com =
See naked fish and rocks!


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-"unsubscribe canslim".  Do not use quotes in = your=20 email.

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It looks like it has three handles. Comments?? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve F Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:43 PM This may break out as the market rises but it is does not have a great CANSLIM chart formation. First, note that the handle on the right side of the cup is not sloping down on decreasing volume. The breakout seemed to have come after forming short base at the end of April, if anything this shows that the stock might be extended. Also note the the sequential earnings growth and sales growth have been decreasing, quarter to quarter. That said, right now the market looks like a rising sea that will take a lot of stocks up. Steve --- Vanchee1@aol.com wrote: > EASI 97/98 AAD is getting close to a B/O might be > worth watching tomorrow. > > Chris. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 06:34:20 -0700 (PDT) My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have been following. I set my trend line at from the highs noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would be a releatively short time frame. I am still learning and will certainly take your advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Steve, > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > determined to > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > of a decline > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > decline next year > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > further comment I > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > Honestly, this > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > pattern of > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > pivot or buy > point. > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > compared to recent > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > open orders > close to execution. > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > chart > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > volatility since > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > would suspect > that large holders have been using every rally as an > exit > opportunity. > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > tomorrow or > some future day will present you with a rally where > you can > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > this one > fall too much further before exiting. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > was > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > and > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > How should I have handled this? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 10:03:34 -0400 Steve, I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the stock, but in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my records, which I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you lots of examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM breakouts that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on to make new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to admit. To make matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, will sit out the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow. That is really painful. Anyway, you're not alone. John C. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have been following. I set my trend line at from the highs noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would be a releatively short time frame. I am still learning and will certainly take your advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Steve, > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > determined to > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > of a decline > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > decline next year > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > further comment I > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > Honestly, this > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > pattern of > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > pivot or buy > point. > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > compared to recent > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > open orders > close to execution. > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > chart > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > volatility since > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > would suspect > that large holders have been using every rally as an > exit > opportunity. > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > tomorrow or > some future day will present you with a rally where > you can > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > this one > fall too much further before exiting. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > was > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > and > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > How should I have handled this? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hudson Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 09:16:52 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DEDC.04F59A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Steve, > > I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with > the stock, but > in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my > records, which > I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show > you lots of > examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many > CANSLIM breakouts > that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably > go on to make > new highs. > Yes, this is a major problem with CANSLIM. Often many stocks will pull back just before they really take off! It's like someone crouching down in preparation to spring up and jump. -- Chris H ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DEDC.04F59A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?

>
> Steve,
>
> I'm sure someone will find something = technically wrong with
> the stock, but
> in the meantime, don't beat yourself up.  = If I dug through my
> records, which
> I won't do because it will be too = heartbreaking, I could show
> you lots of
> examples where I got burned the same way.  = I bought many
> CANSLIM breakouts
> that shook me out with an 8% loss and then = would invariably
> go on to make
> new highs. 
>

Yes, this is a major problem with CANSLIM.  = Often many stocks will pull back just before they really take = off!  It's like someone crouching down in preparation to spring up = and jump. 

 -- Chris H

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DEDC.04F59A70-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Chart Patterns & IBD SEMINAR Date: 17 May 2001 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Again referring to the IBD Seminar last week in New York.. at the end of the session, there was a short quiz on reading charts. Six charts of actual stocks were presented in the manual, without the names, and we were whether or not we would have purchased each of the stocks and the reason why. Keep in mind that I do not believe there were many novices in the group. The reasons for buy and/or not buying were all over the place. When we were told how each of the stock actually performed over the next few months, for the most part, judging by a show of hands, I estimate 75% of the people there picked WRONG on every stock chart. CANSLIM is a terrific tool to assist in selecting winning stocks, but it requires time and hard work. PERIOD. Steve --- Rick Parsons wrote: > I see a lot of discussion here about chart patterns > and a lot of times folks > are looking for a perfect looking cup and handle. > If you subscribe to Daily Graphs printed edition, > you may have received > their booklet "Forty Great Stock Market Winners". > If one scans thru these stocks, one will notice that > some charts are very > sloppy with cup and handles hardly recognized if > there at all. > > For example, on page 40, Schwab is very sloppy > looking. If there is a > handle there, it does not show decreasing volume > prior to the b/o. Look at > EMC on page 14...can anyone recognize a cup and > handle? It looks like it > has three handles. > > Comments?? > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Steve F > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:43 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EASI close to B/O > > This may break out as the market rises but it is > does > not have a great CANSLIM chart formation. First, > note > that the handle on the right side of the cup is not > sloping down on decreasing volume. The breakout > seemed > to have come after forming short base at the end of > April, if anything this shows that the stock might > be > extended. > Also note the the sequential earnings growth and > sales > growth have been decreasing, quarter to quarter. > That > said, right now the market looks like a rising sea > that will take a lot of stocks up. > > Steve > > --- Vanchee1@aol.com wrote: > > EASI 97/98 AAD is getting close to a B/O might be > > worth watching tomorrow. > > > > Chris. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Chart Patterns Date: 17 May 2001 08:56:02 -0600 On 17 May 01, at 9:01, Rick Parsons wrote: > For example, on page 40, Schwab is very sloppy looking. If there is a > handle there, it does not show decreasing volume prior to the b/o. Look at > EMC on page 14...can anyone recognize a cup and handle? It looks like it > has three handles. > > Comments?? I don't have the book, but I think I know what you mean. I think IBD people at times have a tendency to use hindsight to fit questionable patterns into their models of what to look for in a chart. I wonder if those same stocks had failed out of those patterns if they would be used as examples of faulty bases. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Chart Patterns Date: 17 May 2001 11:25:37 -0400 >> I wonder if those same stocks had failed out of those patterns if they would be used as examples of faulty bases. << These were all stocks the "went up XXX% from here". For example, LU went up 500% in the 15 months after this point. Of course this was the great bull market. Stocks will tend to fail more often in the current market. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Wahl Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:56 AM On 17 May 01, at 9:01, Rick Parsons wrote: > For example, on page 40, Schwab is very sloppy looking. If there is a > handle there, it does not show decreasing volume prior to the b/o. Look at > EMC on page 14...can anyone recognize a cup and handle? It looks like it > has three handles. > > Comments?? I don't have the book, but I think I know what you mean. I think IBD people at times have a tendency to use hindsight to fit questionable patterns into their models of what to look for in a chart. I wonder if those same stocks had failed out of those patterns if they would be used as examples of faulty bases. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] AHMH - breaking out? Date: 17 May 2001 08:43:29 -0700 AHMH does NOT meet WON's $15 stock criteria. It is what I consider a 'just under the CANSLIM radar' stock - which is something that interests me personally as it allows me to benefit from the extra safety factor of valuation. (When it works out - it also compounds the gains considerably - MTON at $13 in October is my best recent example). AHMH has 5-year compounded revenue growth of 58%, and will do in excess of $1.50/share this year. The chart looks very attractive to me, and the volume the last 2 days has been strong. ( Full disclosure - I have a very recent position in the high $9 range.) I know some of you are interested in these slightly lower priced issues with otherwise CANSLIM characteristics. If not, let me know. Cheers, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH - breaking out? Date: 17 May 2001 11:41:00 EDT --part1_59.b2f02b3.28354b0c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes Ian, Like to check them all out, keep posting. Chris. --part1_59.b2f02b3.28354b0c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes Ian, Like to check them all out, keep posting.

Chris. --part1_59.b2f02b3.28354b0c_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 12:17:41 -0400 Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market started in March of 2000? How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM Steve, I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the stock, but in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my records, which I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you lots of examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM breakouts that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on to make new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to admit. To make matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, will sit out the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow. That is really painful. Anyway, you're not alone. John C. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have been following. I set my trend line at from the highs noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would be a releatively short time frame. I am still learning and will certainly take your advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Steve, > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > determined to > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > of a decline > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > decline next year > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > further comment I > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > Honestly, this > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > pattern of > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > pivot or buy > point. > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > compared to recent > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > open orders > close to execution. > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > chart > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > volatility since > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > would suspect > that large holders have been using every rally as an > exit > opportunity. > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > tomorrow or > some future day will present you with a rally where > you can > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > this one > fall too much further before exiting. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > was > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > and > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > How should I have handled this? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Chart Patterns & IBD SEMINAR Date: 17 May 2001 12:19:56 -0400 Did these charts just show price data or were the data boxes present showing the various Canslim ratings? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve F Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:24 AM Again referring to the IBD Seminar last week in New York.. at the end of the session, there was a short quiz on reading charts. Six charts of actual stocks were presented in the manual, without the names, and we were whether or not we would have purchased each of the stocks and the reason why. Keep in mind that I do not believe there were many novices in the group. The reasons for buy and/or not buying were all over the place. When we were told how each of the stock actually performed over the next few months, for the most part, judging by a show of hands, I estimate 75% of the people there picked WRONG on every stock chart. CANSLIM is a terrific tool to assist in selecting winning stocks, but it requires time and hard work. PERIOD. Steve --- Rick Parsons wrote: > I see a lot of discussion here about chart patterns > and a lot of times folks > are looking for a perfect looking cup and handle. > If you subscribe to Daily Graphs printed edition, > you may have received > their booklet "Forty Great Stock Market Winners". > If one scans thru these stocks, one will notice that > some charts are very > sloppy with cup and handles hardly recognized if > there at all. > > For example, on page 40, Schwab is very sloppy > looking. If there is a > handle there, it does not show decreasing volume > prior to the b/o. Look at > EMC on page 14...can anyone recognize a cup and > handle? It looks like it > has three handles. > > Comments?? > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Steve F > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:43 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EASI close to B/O > > This may break out as the market rises but it is > does > not have a great CANSLIM chart formation. First, > note > that the handle on the right side of the cup is not > sloping down on decreasing volume. The breakout > seemed > to have come after forming short base at the end of > April, if anything this shows that the stock might > be > extended. > Also note the the sequential earnings growth and > sales > growth have been decreasing, quarter to quarter. > That > said, right now the market looks like a rising sea > that will take a lot of stocks up. > > Steve > > --- Vanchee1@aol.com wrote: > > EASI 97/98 AAD is getting close to a B/O might be > > worth watching tomorrow. > > > > Chris. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 12:32:26 -0400 I have another note/question on this topic. It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are too high. For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not even occur to me to take profits. 20% is only a reason to tighten my stop loss. Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two days. I got in at 47+ and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell. Now it is down to 47 and I am surprised. But should I be surprised? It went up over 15% in a couple of days and there are enough people out there who will take profit under these circumstances. Should I not have sold at 51 EXPECTING a pullback? The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days without giving anything back are gone. Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move like that, I should sell and get back in when the expected weakness/pullback develops. I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down to the point where I sell to break even or to loose commisions. Any thoughts? Anna "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on 05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market started in March of 2000? How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM Steve, I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the stock, but in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my records, which I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you lots of examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM breakouts that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on to make new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to admit. To make matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, will sit out the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow. That is really painful. Anyway, you're not alone. John C. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have been following. I set my trend line at from the highs noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would be a releatively short time frame. I am still learning and will certainly take your advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Steve, > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > determined to > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > of a decline > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > decline next year > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > further comment I > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > Honestly, this > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > pattern of > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > pivot or buy > point. > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > compared to recent > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > open orders > close to execution. > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > chart > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > volatility since > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > would suspect > that large holders have been using every rally as an > exit > opportunity. > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > tomorrow or > some future day will present you with a rally where > you can > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > this one > fall too much further before exiting. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > was > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > and > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > How should I have handled this? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Chart Patterns & IBD SEMINAR Date: 17 May 2001 09:35:37 -0700 (PDT) There were actually two charts of every stock. The small weekly stock charts and the full daily stock charts, with data, as in DOG. Steve --- Rick Parsons wrote: > Did these charts just show price data or were the > data boxes present showing > the various Canslim ratings? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Steve F > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:24 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Chart Patterns & IBD SEMINAR > > > Again referring to the IBD Seminar last week in New > York.. at the end of the session, there was a short > quiz on reading charts. Six charts of actual > stocks > were presented in the manual, without the names, and > we were whether or not we would have purchased each > of > the stocks and the reason why. > Keep in mind that I do not believe there were many > novices in the group. The reasons for buy and/or > not > buying were all over the place. When we were told > how > each of the stock actually performed over the next > few > months, for the most part, judging by a show of > hands, I estimate 75% of the people there picked > WRONG > on every stock chart. > CANSLIM is a terrific tool to assist in selecting > winning stocks, but it requires time and hard work. > PERIOD. > > Steve > --- Rick Parsons > wrote: > > I see a lot of discussion here about chart > patterns > > and a lot of times folks > > are looking for a perfect looking cup and handle. > > If you subscribe to Daily Graphs printed edition, > > you may have received > > their booklet "Forty Great Stock Market Winners". > > If one scans thru these stocks, one will notice > that > > some charts are very > > sloppy with cup and handles hardly recognized if > > there at all. > > > > For example, on page 40, Schwab is very sloppy > > looking. If there is a > > handle there, it does not show decreasing volume > > prior to the b/o. Look at > > EMC on page 14...can anyone recognize a cup and > > handle? It looks like it > > has three handles. > > > > Comments?? > > > > Rick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > > Of Steve F > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:43 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EASI close to B/O > > > > This may break out as the market rises but it is > > does > > not have a great CANSLIM chart formation. First, > > note > > that the handle on the right side of the cup is > not > > sloping down on decreasing volume. The breakout > > seemed > > to have come after forming short base at the end > of > > April, if anything this shows that the stock might > > be > > extended. > > Also note the the sequential earnings growth and > > sales > > growth have been decreasing, quarter to quarter. > > That > > said, right now the market looks like a rising sea > > that will take a lot of stocks up. > > > > Steve > > > > --- Vanchee1@aol.com wrote: > > > EASI 97/98 AAD is getting close to a B/O might > be > > > worth watching tomorrow. > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 09:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Hello Anna Perhaps we should tune our expectations to the season of the market. My impression from the talking heads on TV is that the market will go sideways for a while after the great April run up. We have already gone months of attempting to force CANSLIM into a mold it does not rally fit by buying anything on a down market. Now we are expecting big moves from a sideways market. Reflecting back to the old sayings... 11% in a year is the market average. If you can grab 10% or 15% in a few days, count your blessings. I am concerned this is sounding more like day trading, but it does make money. Perhaps when the M does become truly bull, we can revert to real CS. Just my thoughts Kent Norman --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > I have another note/question on this topic. > It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) > expectations are too high. > For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not > even occur to me to take > profits. 20% is only a reason to tighten my stop > loss. > Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two > days. I got in at 47+ > and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell. > Now it is down to 47 and > I am surprised. But should I be surprised? It went > up over 15% in a > couple of days and there are enough people out there > who will take profit > under these circumstances. Should I not have sold > at 51 EXPECTING a > pullback? The times when a stock moved up 15% in > two days without giving > anything back are gone. Maybe, if I am lucky to > catch a move like that, I > should sell and get back in when the expected > weakness/pullback develops. > > I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down > to the point where I > sell to break even or to loose commisions. > > Any thoughts? > > Anna > > > > "Rick Parsons" > @lists.xmission.com on > 05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > Have most of your losses taken place since the bear > market started in March > of 2000? > How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the > bear market? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Cefaloni, John L > Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > Steve, > > I'm sure someone will find something technically > wrong with the stock, but > in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug > through my records, > which > I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I > could show you lots of > examples where I got burned the same way. I bought > many CANSLIM breakouts > that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would > invariably go on to make > new highs. This has happened to me more time than I > care to admit. To > make > matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the > same stocks, will sit out > the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains > that follow. That is > really painful. > > Anyway, you're not alone. > > John C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM > fundamentals are very good - growing sales, > earnings, > industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The > technical > reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have > been following. I set my trend line at from the > highs > noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a > clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like > an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or > thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would > be a releatively short time frame. > I am still learning and will certainly take your > advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. > Steve > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > Steve, > > > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > > determined to > > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > > of a decline > > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > > decline next year > > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > > further comment I > > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > > Honestly, this > > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a > base > > pattern of > > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > > pivot or buy > > point. > > > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > > compared to recent > > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > > open orders > > close to execution. > > > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a > good > > chart > > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > > volatility since > > early Feb without significant price appreciation, > I > > would suspect > > that large holders have been using every rally as > an > > exit > > opportunity. > > > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope > that > > tomorrow or > > some future day will present you with a rally > where > > you can > > consider exiting without damage. But I would not > let > > this one > > fall too much further before exiting. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve F > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > > was > > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order > at > > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my > order > > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a > dip > > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > > and > > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > > > How should I have handled this? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: [CANSLIM] FEIC, PATH Breakouts... Date: 17 May 2001 09:56:56 -0700 Not one to post many picks but both FEIC and PATH appear to have broken out nicely today. The charts look good (to me) and great IBD fundies. Note: I'm in FEIC. -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Gottlieb" Subject: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point Date: 17 May 2001 20:33:42 +0300
Can I please have some advice on how to get in at the pivot point.

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In fact, there are times I swear people are selling my small or mid-sized stock to catch the latest big cap wave du jour. Ever get that feeling? -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:18 PM Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market started in March of 2000? How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM Steve, I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the stock, but in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my records, which I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you lots of examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM breakouts that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on to make new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to admit. To make matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, will sit out the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow. That is really painful. Anyway, you're not alone. John C. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have been following. I set my trend line at from the highs noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would be a releatively short time frame. I am still learning and will certainly take your advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Steve, > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > determined to > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > of a decline > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > decline next year > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > further comment I > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > Honestly, this > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > pattern of > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > pivot or buy > point. > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > compared to recent > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > open orders > close to execution. > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > chart > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > volatility since > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > would suspect > that large holders have been using every rally as an > exit > opportunity. > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > tomorrow or > some future day will present you with a rally where > you can > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > this one > fall too much further before exiting. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > was > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > and > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > How should I have handled this? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point Date: 17 May 2001 14:14:53 CDT I am not sure I understand the question? You put a buy order in with you= r broker when the stock cross the pivot point on above average volume. Th= is is how you get in. "Daniel Gottlieb" wrote: Can I please have some advice on how to get in at the pivot point Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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I > tried to correlate it mid-cap and small-cap indexes, even the long bond, but > I couldn't. > > I've seen many days when the NASDAQ would go up and my stocks would do > nothing, but that doesn't surprise me since the NASDAQ is controlled by a > few large cap stocks like CSCO and I usually don't try to trade in something > that big. In fact, there are times I swear people are selling my small or > mid-sized stock to catch the latest big cap wave du jour. Ever get that > feeling? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Parsons [mailto:RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:18 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market started in March > of 2000? > How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, John L > Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > Steve, > > I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the stock, but > in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my records, which > I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you lots of > examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM breakouts > that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on to make > new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to admit. To make > matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, will sit out > the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow. That is > really painful. > > Anyway, you're not alone. > > John C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM > fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, > industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical > reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have > been following. I set my trend line at from the highs > noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a > clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like > an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or > thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would > be a releatively short time frame. > I am still learning and will certainly take your > advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. > Steve > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > Steve, > > > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > > determined to > > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > > of a decline > > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > > decline next year > > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > > further comment I > > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > > Honestly, this > > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > > pattern of > > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > > pivot or buy > > point. > > > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > > compared to recent > > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > > open orders > > close to execution. > > > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > > chart > > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > > volatility since > > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > > would suspect > > that large holders have been using every rally as an > > exit > > opportunity. > > > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > > tomorrow or > > some future day will present you with a rally where > > you can > > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > > this one > > fall too much further before exiting. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve F > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > > was > > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > > and > > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > > > How should I have handled this? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 16:14:57 -0400 I have a similar question. WON says to wait until 20% gain (or 15%) to change your stop loss up to the price you paid for the stock. Then, as the price moves up, (maybe this is people on this list, rather than WON) keep a trailing limit at 15% below the current price. My question: Why wait until the price is up 20% to put the trailing limit at 15% below. I start with a stop loss at 8% below price. As the stock moves up 10% above purchase price, why not move my stop up to 5% below purchase price? (15% below current price) Is it because the stock is more likely to drop as it breaks out? (of course considering volume, as well) Thanks, Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:32 PM > > I have another note/question on this topic. > It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are too high. > For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not even occur to me to take > profits. 20% is only a reason to tighten my stop loss. > Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two days. I got in at 47+ > and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell. Now it is down to 47 and > I am surprised. But should I be surprised? It went up over 15% in a > couple of days and there are enough people out there who will take profit > under these circumstances. Should I not have sold at 51 EXPECTING a > pullback? The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days without giving > anything back are gone. Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move like that, I > should sell and get back in when the expected weakness/pullback develops. > > I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down to the point where I > sell to break even or to loose commisions. > > Any thoughts? > > Anna > > > > "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on > 05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market started in March > of 2000? > How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, John L > Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > Steve, > > I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the stock, but > in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my records, > which > I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you lots of > examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM breakouts > that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on to make > new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to admit. To > make > matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, will sit out > the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow. That is > really painful. > > Anyway, you're not alone. > > John C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM > fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, > industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical > reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have > been following. I set my trend line at from the highs > noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a > clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like > an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or > thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would > be a releatively short time frame. > I am still learning and will certainly take your > advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. > Steve > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > Steve, > > > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > > determined to > > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > > of a decline > > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > > decline next year > > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > > further comment I > > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > > Honestly, this > > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > > pattern of > > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > > pivot or buy > > point. > > > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > > compared to recent > > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > > open orders > > close to execution. > > > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > > chart > > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > > volatility since > > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > > would suspect > > that large holders have been using every rally as an > > exit > > opportunity. > > > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > > tomorrow or > > some future day will present you with a rally where > > you can > > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > > this one > > fall too much further before exiting. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve F > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > > was > > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > > and > > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > > > How should I have handled this? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 15:15:09 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DF0E.12099D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How can you be down 117%? -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:00 PM I was up 102% from May 5, 1999 through mid-February 00.' Down 117% from mid-February 00' through end of March 01' I was not following CANSLIM principles exclusively. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DF0E.12099D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [CANSLIM] What did I do wrong?

How can you be down 117%?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Serry [mailto:ichiban454@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:00 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?


I was up 102% from May 5, 1999 through mid-February 00.'  Down 117% from
mid-February 00' through end of March 01'  I was not following CANSLIM
principles exclusively.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DF0E.12099D10-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dannygottlieb" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point Date: 17 May 2001 23:27:40 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C0DF28.F7598960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fanus, the question was in fact not mine but that of a friend who asked = me to send it just as you read it. His difficulty is in managing to get = in, at not more than 3% above the pivot, or getting left out altogether. = This is also what happened to me with CNTL.We both dislike the idea of = getting in early, or not at all.Perhaps this was a rhetorical question = as I do not see any good solution when a stock breaks as fast as did = CNTL. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fanus=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point I am not sure I understand the question? You put a buy order in with = your broker when the stock cross the pivot point on above average = volume. This is how you get in. = Can I please have some advice on how to get in at the pivot point Get = Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the = email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not = use quotes in your email.=20 ----- Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com - = -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email = body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use = quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C0DF28.F7598960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fanus, the question was in fact not = mine but that=20 of a friend who asked me to send it just as you read it. His = difficulty is=20 in managing to get in, at not more than 3% above the pivot, or getting = left out=20 altogether. This is also what happened to me with CNTL.We both dislike = the idea=20 of getting in early, or not at all.Perhaps this was a rhetorical = question as I=20 do not see any good solution when a stock breaks as fast as did=20 CNTL.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fanus =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 = 9:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot = Point

I am not sure I understand the question? You put a buy = order in=20 with your broker when the stock cross the pivot point on above average = volume.=20 This is how you get in. --------------------------------------------- = "Daniel=20 Gottlieb" wrote: Can I please have some advice = on how to=20 get in at the pivot point Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN = Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com = - -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email = body,=20 write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes = in your=20 email.
------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C0DF28.F7598960-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO pullback Date: 17 May 2001 17:07:54 -0400 COCO fell on somewhat lower volume today. It did not violate the pivot. IBD ratings are perfect for this stock (99 99 AAA). Perhaps it is just taking a break before it bolts higher, giving us another chance to get it. I'm in. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 17 May 2001 18:09:23 -0400 On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for example, "-7% off 52-week high". To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the percentage off the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all agree? (It's like a double negative.) If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high". Does it ever NOT have a minus sign? Ann - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 17 May 2001 19:37:08 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0DF08.C34CDA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OCompared to what? What I might have done with more = active management and attention to the portfolio? 76% gain in '98, with very few trades and long periods of neglect. 13% = in '99 with virtually no trades and nearly total neglect all year. down = about 20% for 2000, again other than in the first three months with = almost no trades and near total neglect. up 48% so far this year, a net = of about 14% combined for '00 and '01. managing the acct more actively, = more trades this year so far than for any of the past 3. fully invested = throughout the period, with the exception of the past 3 months, when I = held about a 20% cash position. fully invested now as of this week. I did well enough under "neglect" conditions that I have no doubt I = would have done far better if I had had the time away from my job to = better attend to my investments. I have repeatedly reminded members that = my personal investing is in no way suitable for most CANSLIMers, nor do = I suggest any different now. That's why I normally will never post on my = holdings or watch list. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Addictive? But do you find them more profitable? Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:57 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Just stay away from the small and micro caps, they can be truly = addictive. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Tom, Thanks for the suggestion. That will be my assignment this evening. Perhaps it will = alleviate my cup and handle mania. Maybe I can replace this fixation = with another chart pattern fixation, at least temporarily. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:38 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Rick, Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of focusing on, and = trying to only find, cup and handle patterns. This is only one of the = numerous valid and successful CANSLIM chart patterns to look for. I = would suggest you review those 40 stocks again with Chapter 14 of HTMMIS = (How to Read Charts Like an Expert) open beside you. It should make more = sense then. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I subscribed to Daily Graphs the paper edition in order to get = the DGO discount. They sent me a booklet titled "Forty Great Stock = Market Winners". If one scans thru these stock charts, they will see = many do NOT have a classic easy to recognize cup and handles or if they = do, they are hard to recognize or are sloppy. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of DiFabio, Nancy Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O I don't see a handle. Where is the handle. It looks like = it shot out without a handle.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Tim Fisher [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O=20 Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ 48.49 will be reached, = great vol, on=20 my HGS list.=20 Tim Fisher=20 Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites=20 Tim@OreRockOn.com=20 WWW: http://OreRockOn.com=20 See naked fish and rocks!=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may = include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any = distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the = intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you = are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to = this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/16/01 17:03:23 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended = recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then = delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0DF08.C34CDA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O
Compared to what? What I might have done with more = active=20 management and attention to the portfolio?
 
76% gain in '98, with very few trades and long = periods of=20 neglect. 13% in '99 with virtually no trades and nearly total neglect = all year.=20 down about 20% for 2000, again other than in the first three months with = almost=20 no trades and near total neglect. up 48% so far this year, a net of = about 14%=20 combined for '00 and '01. managing the acct more actively, more trades = this year=20 so far than for any of the past 3. fully invested throughout the period, = with=20 the exception of the past 3 months, when I held about a 20% cash = position. fully=20 invested now as of this week.
 
I did well enough under "neglect" conditions that I = have no=20 doubt I would have done far better if I had had the time away from my = job to=20 better attend to my investments. I have repeatedly reminded members that = my=20 personal investing is in no way suitable for most CANSLIMers, nor do I = suggest=20 any different now. That's why I normally will never post on my holdings = or watch=20 list.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Parsons
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 = 9:19=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

Addictive?  But do you find them more=20 profitable?
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 = 8:57=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O

Just stay away from the small and micro caps, = they can be=20 truly addictive.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, = 2001 8:04=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

Tom,
Thanks for the suggestion.
That will be my assignment this evening.  Perhaps it = will=20 alleviate my cup and handle mania.  Maybe I can = replace this=20 fixation with another chart pattern fixation, at least=20 temporarily.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley = [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:38 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO = B/O

Rick,
 
Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of = focusing=20 on, and trying to only find, cup and handle patterns.  This = is only=20 one of the numerous valid and successful CANSLIM chart patterns = to look=20 for. I would suggest you review those 40 stocks again with = Chapter 14 of=20 HTMMIS (How to Read Charts Like an Expert) open beside you. It = should=20 make more sense then.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rick Parsons
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, May = 16, 2001=20 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = COCO=20 B/O

I subscribed to Daily = Graphs the=20 paper edition in order to get the DGO discount.  They = sent me a=20 booklet titled "Forty Great Stock Market Winners".  If = one scans=20 thru these stock charts, they will see many do NOT have a = classic easy=20 to recognize cup and handles or if they do, they are hard = to=20 recognize or are sloppy.
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 DiFabio, Nancy
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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0DF08.C34CDA20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 20:02:09 -0400 Anna, WON's rules of not moving your original stop loss point up (entry minus 8%) until you are up at least 15%, then using a trailing stop loss of 15% thereafter, and of holding a stock that moves up 20% for at least 8 weeks, are designed to hold us in a stock long enough to enjoy the benefits of that rare big winner. While I violated a lot of rules in holding EPIQ for well over a year, I will give you three recent examples that argue against what you write: 2/28/01 - gained 17% for the day, had you sold at the high of the day, you would have missed an additional 84% gain to today (and, of course, whoever bot your shares potentially made that gain) 4/4/01-4/5/01 - gained 17% in two days, from the high to today is an add'l 35% gain 5/3/01 - gained 15% that day, now it is another 11.6% higher from the high of that day I have had many occasions and stocks over the past decade plus of trying to apply CANSLIM and WON rules where I violated the selling guidelines. In some cases I held after a moderate profit, and later accepted a loss. In other cases, tho, I sold too soon and missed a big advance, thinking taking the fast 20 or 30 or even 50% profit made sense. And it always did at the time I did it. The first time I bot EPIQ, I sold after only 7 weeks, for a 70% net gain. It was the right decision for me at the time, and made sense. If I feel I am premature in buying a stock, and it surprises me by "moving too fast", then I am more likely to say thank you and sell. If I was lucky enough to buy it just right, as it broke out of a quality CANSLIM type formation, then I try to hang on to it. For me, what CANSLIM does is to improve (provide??) predictability. So long as the stock is moving in what I deem to be a predictable fashion, then I stay with it. This includes a premature b/o that falls back and holds at the support level of a well established base. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:32 PM I have another note/question on this topic. It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are too high. For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not even occur to me to take profits. 20% is only a reason to tighten my stop loss. Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two days. I got in at 47+ and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell. Now it is down to 47 and I am surprised. But should I be surprised? It went up over 15% in a couple of days and there are enough people out there who will take profit under these circumstances. Should I not have sold at 51 EXPECTING a pullback? The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days without giving anything back are gone. Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move like that, I should sell and get back in when the expected weakness/pullback develops. I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down to the point where I sell to break even or to loose commisions. Any thoughts? Anna "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on 05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market started in March of 2000? How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM Steve, I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the stock, but in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my records, which I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you lots of examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM breakouts that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on to make new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to admit. To make matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, will sit out the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow. That is really painful. Anyway, you're not alone. John C. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have been following. I set my trend line at from the highs noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would be a releatively short time frame. I am still learning and will certainly take your advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Steve, > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > determined to > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > of a decline > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > decline next year > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > further comment I > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > Honestly, this > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > pattern of > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > pivot or buy > point. > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > compared to recent > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > open orders > close to execution. > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > chart > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > volatility since > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > would suspect > that large holders have been using every rally as an > exit > opportunity. > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > tomorrow or > some future day will present you with a rally where > you can > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > this one > fall too much further before exiting. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > was > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > and > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > How should I have handled this? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 17 May 2001 20:07:28 -0400 "does it ever not have a minus sign" - yes, when it closes at a new 12 month high. Then it's zero percentage. It simply measures the distance in percentage from the 12 month high. That high is ground zero, everything else is a minus. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:09 PM On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for example, "-7% off 52-week high". To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the percentage off the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all agree? (It's like a double negative.) If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high". Does it ever NOT have a minus sign? Ann - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 17:11:59 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DF2E.CDFA4216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Would "the support level of a well established base" be its 50 day M.A.? Nancy -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:02 PM Anna, WON's rules of not moving your original stop loss point up (entry minus 8%) until you are up at least 15%, then using a trailing stop loss of 15% thereafter, and of holding a stock that moves up 20% for at least 8 weeks, are designed to hold us in a stock long enough to enjoy the benefits of that rare big winner. While I violated a lot of rules in holding EPIQ for well over a year, I will give you three recent examples that argue against what you write: 2/28/01 - gained 17% for the day, had you sold at the high of the day, you would have missed an additional 84% gain to today (and, of course, whoever bot your shares potentially made that gain) 4/4/01-4/5/01 - gained 17% in two days, from the high to today is an add'l 35% gain 5/3/01 - gained 15% that day, now it is another 11.6% higher from the high of that day I have had many occasions and stocks over the past decade plus of trying to apply CANSLIM and WON rules where I violated the selling guidelines. In some cases I held after a moderate profit, and later accepted a loss. In other cases, tho, I sold too soon and missed a big advance, thinking taking the fast 20 or 30 or even 50% profit made sense. And it always did at the time I did it. The first time I bot EPIQ, I sold after only 7 weeks, for a 70% net gain. It was the right decision for me at the time, and made sense. If I feel I am premature in buying a stock, and it surprises me by "moving too fast", then I am more likely to say thank you and sell. If I was lucky enough to buy it just right, as it broke out of a quality CANSLIM type formation, then I try to hang on to it. For me, what CANSLIM does is to improve (provide??) predictability. So long as the stock is moving in what I deem to be a predictable fashion, then I stay with it. This includes a premature b/o that falls back and holds at the support level of a well established base. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:32 PM I have another note/question on this topic. It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are too high. For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not even occur to me to take profits. 20% is only a reason to tighten my stop loss. Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two days. I got in at 47+ and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell. Now it is down to 47 and I am surprised. But should I be surprised? It went up over 15% in a couple of days and there are enough people out there who will take profit under these circumstances. Should I not have sold at 51 EXPECTING a pullback? The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days without giving anything back are gone. Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move like that, I should sell and get back in when the expected weakness/pullback develops. I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down to the point where I sell to break even or to loose commisions. Any thoughts? Anna "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on 05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market started in March of 2000? How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM Steve, I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the stock, but in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my records, which I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you lots of examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM breakouts that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on to make new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to admit. To make matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, will sit out the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow. That is really painful. Anyway, you're not alone. John C. -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have been following. I set my trend line at from the highs noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would be a releatively short time frame. I am still learning and will certainly take your advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Steve, > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > determined to > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > of a decline > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > decline next year > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > further comment I > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > Honestly, this > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > pattern of > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > pivot or buy > point. > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > compared to recent > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > open orders > close to execution. > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > chart > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > volatility since > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > would suspect > that large holders have been using every rally as an > exit > opportunity. > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > tomorrow or > some future day will present you with a rally where > you can > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > this one > fall too much further before exiting. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > was > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > and > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > How should I have handled this? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/17/01 17:10:43 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DF2E.CDFA4216 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?

Tom,

Would "the support level of a well established base" be its 50 day M.A.?

Nancy

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:02 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?


Anna,

WON's rules of not moving your original stop loss point up (entry
minus 8%) until you are up at least 15%, then using a trailing
stop loss of 15% thereafter, and of holding a stock that moves up
20% for at least 8 weeks, are designed to hold us in a stock long
enough to enjoy the benefits of that rare big winner.

While I violated a lot of rules in holding EPIQ for well over a
year, I will give you three recent examples that argue against
what you write:

2/28/01 - gained 17% for the day, had you sold at the high of the
day, you would have missed an additional 84% gain to today (and,
of course, whoever bot your shares potentially made that gain)
4/4/01-4/5/01 - gained 17% in two days, from the high to today is
an add'l 35% gain
5/3/01 - gained 15% that day, now it is another 11.6% higher from
the high of that day

I have had many occasions and stocks over the past decade plus of
trying to apply CANSLIM and WON rules where I violated the
selling guidelines. In some cases I held after a moderate profit,
and later accepted a loss. In other cases, tho, I sold too soon
and missed a big advance, thinking taking the fast 20 or 30 or
even 50% profit made sense. And it always did at the time I did
it. The first time I bot EPIQ, I sold after only 7 weeks, for a
70% net gain. It was the right decision for me at the time, and
made sense.

If I feel I am premature in buying a stock, and it surprises me
by "moving too fast", then I am more likely to say thank you and
sell. If I was lucky enough to buy it just right, as it broke out
of a quality CANSLIM type formation, then I try to hang on to it.
For me, what CANSLIM does is to improve (provide??)
predictability. So long as the stock is moving in what I deem to
be a predictable fashion, then I stay with it. This includes a
premature b/o that falls back and holds at the support level of a
well established base.

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net


----- Original Message -----
From: <asosis@ca.ibm.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:32 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?



I have another note/question on this topic.
It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are too
high.
For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not even occur to me
to take
profits.  20% is only a reason to tighten my stop loss.
Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two days.  I got
in at 47+
and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell.  Now it is down
to 47 and
I am surprised.  But should I be surprised?  It went up over 15%
in a
couple of days and there are enough people out there who will
take profit
under these circumstances.  Should I not have sold at 51
EXPECTING a
pullback?  The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days
without giving
anything back are gone.  Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move
like that, I
should sell and get back in when the expected weakness/pullback
develops.

I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down to the point
where I
sell to break even or to loose commisions.

Any thoughts?

Anna



"Rick Parsons" <RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com>@lists.xmission.com
on
05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM

Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com

Sent by:  owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com


To:   <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
cc:
Subject:  RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?


Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market
started in March
of 2000?
How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market?

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni,
John L
Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?


Steve,

I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the
stock, but
in the meantime, don't beat yourself up.  If I dug through my
records,
which
I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you
lots of
examples where I got burned the same way.  I bought many CANSLIM
breakouts
that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on
to make
new highs.  This has happened to me more time than I care to
admit.  To
make
matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks,
will sit out
the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow.
That is
really painful.

Anyway, you're not alone.

John C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?


My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM
fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings,
industry group, acc/dist, timeliness.   The technical
reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have
been following.  I set my trend line at from the highs
noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17.  There was a
clear breakout above the 17.  To me this looked like
an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or
thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would
be a releatively short time frame.
I am still learning and will certainly take your
advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule.
Steve

--- Tom Worley <stkguru@netside.net> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> The first comment I would offer is why were you so
> determined to
> buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast
> of a decline
> in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional
> decline next year
> of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The
> further comment I
> would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern.
> Honestly, this
> stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base
> pattern of
> any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a
> pivot or buy
> point.
>
> And today's market was exceptionally volatile,
> compared to recent
> weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to
> open orders
> close to execution.
>
> Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good
> chart
> pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the
> volatility since
> early Feb without significant price appreciation, I
> would suspect
> that large holders have been using every rally as an
> exit
> opportunity.
>
> I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that
> tomorrow or
> some future day will present you with a rally where
> you can
> consider exiting without damage. But I would not let
> this one
> fall too much further before exiting.
>
> Tom Worley
> stkguru@netside.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve F <stevepdv@yahoo.com>
> To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM
> Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?
>
>
> I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it
> was
> breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at
> 18 today but too late.  It ran up so I left my order
> in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip
> during the day.    Checking back later in the day,
> ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy
> and
> ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss.
>
> How should I have handled this?
>
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GOLLY-GEE, Tom, is there anything you don't know?

-----Original Message-----
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"does it ever not have a minus sign"    -      yes, when it
closes at a new 12 month high. Then it's zero percentage.

It simply measures the distance in percentage from the 12 month
high. That high is ground zero, everything else is a minus.

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net


----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Hollingworth <annholly@mediaone.net>
To: CANSLIM Listserv <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:09 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high"


On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for
example, "-7% off
52-week high".

To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the
percentage off
the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all
agree? (It's
like a double negative.)

If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high".

Does it ever NOT have a minus sign?

Ann




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That high is ground zero, everything else is a minus. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ann Hollingworth > To: CANSLIM Listserv > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:09 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" > > > On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for > example, "-7% off > 52-week high". > > To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the > percentage off > the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all > agree? (It's > like a double negative.) > > If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high". > > Does it ever NOT have a minus sign? > > Ann > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 20:30:32 -0400 The math is off a little, Ann, but I get the idea (when the stock is 10% over your entry, 15% of its then current price will place your stop slightly more than 5% below your entry price). The reason for the rule to start first with an 8% stop loss from your entry point (and that assumes correct entry, otherwise all bets are off), then raise your stop to your entry point only once the stock has gained 15%, then "chase" the stock's further gains with a continuing trailing stop loss of 15%, is that Wm O'Neil found that to be the best balanced "formula" from trial and error and back testing. I just went quickly thru HTMMIS to find exactly what WON said on this 10 years ago, and it differs somewhat. He does talk of "7% to 8%" losses, rather than only 8%, and he also reiterates selling once you are up 20% "except on the strongest stocks" which he defines as those that gained 20% in less than 8 weeks. Those should be held for at least 8 weeks, (presumably unless they violate the stop loss, altho he doesn't say that). I do know that the pattern I describe above is not only what I was trained on by his staffers, but also what he said in an interview for Registered Rep, a magazine for stock brokers. He also says that once a stock has gained 15%, it should be given more room than 7% to 8% "to roam". Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:14 PM I have a similar question. WON says to wait until 20% gain (or 15%) to change your stop loss up to the price you paid for the stock. Then, as the price moves up, (maybe this is people on this list, rather than WON) keep a trailing limit at 15% below the current price. My question: Why wait until the price is up 20% to put the trailing limit at 15% below. I start with a stop loss at 8% below price. As the stock moves up 10% above purchase price, why not move my stop up to 5% below purchase price? (15% below current price) Is it because the stock is more likely to drop as it breaks out? (of course considering volume, as well) Thanks, Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:32 PM > > I have another note/question on this topic. > It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are too high. > For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not even occur to me to take > profits. 20% is only a reason to tighten my stop loss. > Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two days. I got in at 47+ > and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell. Now it is down to 47 and > I am surprised. But should I be surprised? It went up over 15% in a > couple of days and there are enough people out there who will take profit > under these circumstances. Should I not have sold at 51 EXPECTING a > pullback? The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days without giving > anything back are gone. Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move like that, I > should sell and get back in when the expected weakness/pullback develops. > > I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down to the point where I > sell to break even or to loose commisions. > > Any thoughts? > > Anna > > > > "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on > 05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market started in March > of 2000? > How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, John L > Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > Steve, > > I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the stock, but > in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my records, > which > I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you lots of > examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM breakouts > that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on to make > new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to admit. To > make > matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, will sit out > the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow. That is > really painful. > > Anyway, you're not alone. > > John C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM > fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, > industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical > reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have > been following. I set my trend line at from the highs > noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a > clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like > an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or > thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would > be a releatively short time frame. > I am still learning and will certainly take your > advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. > Steve > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > Steve, > > > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > > determined to > > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > > of a decline > > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > > decline next year > > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > > further comment I > > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > > Honestly, this > > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > > pattern of > > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > > pivot or buy > > point. > > > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > > compared to recent > > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > > open orders > > close to execution. > > > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > > chart > > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > > volatility since > > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > > would suspect > > that large holders have been using every rally as an > > exit > > opportunity. > > > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > > tomorrow or > > some future day will present you with a rally where > > you can > > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > > this one > > fall too much further before exiting. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve F > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > > was > > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > > and > > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > > > How should I have handled this? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: big cap stock du jour (was Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?) Date: 17 May 2001 20:32:56 -0400 John, I see this frequently in my small and micro caps. They do their best work on days when the Naz is flat or slightly down. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 1:45 PM In fact, there are times I swear people are selling my small or mid-sized stock to catch the latest big cap wave du jour. Ever get that feeling? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Fader" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO pullback Date: 17 May 2001 20:40:00 -0400 Groupmate also APOL fell dropped quite a bit today. I wonder if one is moving in sympathy with the other. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Rubin Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:08 PM COCO fell on somewhat lower volume today. It did not violate the pivot. IBD ratings are perfect for this stock (99 99 AAA). Perhaps it is just taking a break before it bolts higher, giving us another chance to get it. I'm in. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Fader" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 20:40:43 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0DF11.A50FFB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: [CANSLIM] What did I do wrong?Margin? -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dempsey, Chris Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:15 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What did I do wrong? How can you be down 117%? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Serry [mailto:ichiban454@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:00 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? I was up 102% from May 5, 1999 through mid-February 00.' Down 117% from mid-February 00' through end of March 01' I was not following CANSLIM principles exclusively. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0DF11.A50FFB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] What did I do wrong?
Margin?
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dempsey,=20 Chris
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:15 PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What did = I do=20 wrong?

How can you be down 117%?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill=20 Serry [mailto:ichiban454@earthlink.net<= /A>]=20
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:00 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?


I was up 102% from May 5, 1999 through mid-February = 00.' =20 Down 117% from
mid-February 00' through end = of March=20 01'  I was not following CANSLIM
principles=20 exclusively.

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C0DF11.A50FFB60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 17 May 2001 20:44:54 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C0DF12.3A7AB6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high"more than I care to admit! Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:13 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" GOLLY-GEE, Tom, is there anything you don't know?=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:07 PM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high"=20 "does it ever not have a minus sign" - yes, when it=20 closes at a new 12 month high. Then it's zero percentage.=20 It simply measures the distance in percentage from the 12 month=20 high. That high is ground zero, everything else is a minus.=20 Tom Worley=20 stkguru@netside.net=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann Hollingworth =20 To: CANSLIM Listserv =20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:09 PM=20 Subject: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high"=20 On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for=20 example, "-7% off=20 52-week high".=20 To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the=20 percentage off=20 the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all=20 agree? (It's=20 like a double negative.)=20 If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high".=20 Does it ever NOT have a minus sign?=20 Ann=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C0DF12.3A7AB6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high"
more than I care to admit!
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 = 8:13=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "off = 52-week=20 high"

GOLLY-GEE, Tom, is there anything you don't = know?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom=20 Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:07 PM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" =


"does it ever not have a minus = sign"   =20 -      yes, when it
closes at=20 a new 12 month high. Then it's zero percentage.

It simply measures the distance in percentage from = the 12=20 month
high. That high is ground zero, = everything else=20 is a minus.

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net=20


----- Original Message -----
From: Ann=20 Hollingworth <annholly@mediaone.net>
To: CANSLIM=20 Listserv <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent:=20 Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:09 PM
Subject: = [CANSLIM] "off=20 52-week high"


On the investors.com charts, it says above the = chart,=20 for
example, "-7% off
52-week=20 high".

To me, an English major, putting a negative sign = before=20 the
percentage off
the high=20 implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all =
agree? (It's
like a double = negative.)=20

If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off = 52-week=20 high".

Does it ever NOT have a minus sign?

Ann

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And most institutionals are chart = readers (read about Jack Dreyfus and the Dreyfus Fund, Ch. 10, HTMMIS). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DiFabio, Nancy=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Tom,=20 Would "the support level of a well established base" be its 50 day = M.A.?=20 Nancy=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:02 PM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?=20 Anna,=20 WON's rules of not moving your original stop loss point up (entry=20 minus 8%) until you are up at least 15%, then using a trailing=20 stop loss of 15% thereafter, and of holding a stock that moves up=20 20% for at least 8 weeks, are designed to hold us in a stock long=20 enough to enjoy the benefits of that rare big winner.=20 While I violated a lot of rules in holding EPIQ for well over a=20 year, I will give you three recent examples that argue against=20 what you write:=20 2/28/01 - gained 17% for the day, had you sold at the high of the=20 day, you would have missed an additional 84% gain to today (and,=20 of course, whoever bot your shares potentially made that gain)=20 4/4/01-4/5/01 - gained 17% in two days, from the high to today is=20 an add'l 35% gain=20 5/3/01 - gained 15% that day, now it is another 11.6% higher from=20 the high of that day=20 I have had many occasions and stocks over the past decade plus of=20 trying to apply CANSLIM and WON rules where I violated the=20 selling guidelines. In some cases I held after a moderate profit,=20 and later accepted a loss. In other cases, tho, I sold too soon=20 and missed a big advance, thinking taking the fast 20 or 30 or=20 even 50% profit made sense. And it always did at the time I did=20 it. The first time I bot EPIQ, I sold after only 7 weeks, for a=20 70% net gain. It was the right decision for me at the time, and=20 made sense.=20 If I feel I am premature in buying a stock, and it surprises me=20 by "moving too fast", then I am more likely to say thank you and=20 sell. If I was lucky enough to buy it just right, as it broke out=20 of a quality CANSLIM type formation, then I try to hang on to it.=20 For me, what CANSLIM does is to improve (provide??)=20 predictability. So long as the stock is moving in what I deem to=20 be a predictable fashion, then I stay with it. This includes a=20 premature b/o that falls back and holds at the support level of a=20 well established base.=20 Tom Worley=20 stkguru@netside.net=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: =20 To: =20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:32 PM=20 Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?=20 I have another note/question on this topic.=20 It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are too=20 high.=20 For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not even occur to me=20 to take=20 profits. 20% is only a reason to tighten my stop loss.=20 Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two days. I got=20 in at 47+=20 and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell. Now it is down=20 to 47 and=20 I am surprised. But should I be surprised? It went up over 15%=20 in a=20 couple of days and there are enough people out there who will=20 take profit=20 under these circumstances. Should I not have sold at 51=20 EXPECTING a=20 pullback? The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days=20 without giving=20 anything back are gone. Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move=20 like that, I=20 should sell and get back in when the expected weakness/pullback=20 develops.=20 I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down to the point=20 where I=20 sell to break even or to loose commisions.=20 Any thoughts?=20 Anna=20 "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com=20 on=20 05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM=20 Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 To: =20 cc:=20 Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?=20 Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market=20 started in March=20 of 2000?=20 How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market?=20 Rick=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni,=20 John L=20 Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?=20 Steve,=20 I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the=20 stock, but=20 in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my=20 records,=20 which=20 I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you=20 lots of=20 examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM=20 breakouts=20 that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on=20 to make=20 new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to=20 admit. To=20 make=20 matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks,=20 will sit out=20 the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow.=20 That is=20 really painful.=20 Anyway, you're not alone.=20 John C.=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?=20 My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM=20 fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings,=20 industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical=20 reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have=20 been following. I set my trend line at from the highs=20 noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a=20 clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like=20 an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or=20 thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would=20 be a releatively short time frame.=20 I am still learning and will certainly take your=20 advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule.=20 Steve=20 --- Tom Worley wrote:=20 > Steve,=20 >=20 > The first comment I would offer is why were you so=20 > determined to=20 > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast=20 > of a decline=20 > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional=20 > decline next year=20 > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The=20 > further comment I=20 > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern.=20 > Honestly, this=20 > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base=20 > pattern of=20 > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a=20 > pivot or buy=20 > point.=20 >=20 > And today's market was exceptionally volatile,=20 > compared to recent=20 > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to=20 > open orders=20 > close to execution.=20 >=20 > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good=20 > chart=20 > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the=20 > volatility since=20 > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I=20 > would suspect=20 > that large holders have been using every rally as an=20 > exit=20 > opportunity.=20 >=20 > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that=20 > tomorrow or=20 > some future day will present you with a rally where=20 > you can=20 > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let=20 > this one=20 > fall too much further before exiting.=20 >=20 > Tom Worley=20 > stkguru@netside.net=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Steve F =20 > To: =20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM=20 > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?=20 >=20 >=20 > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it=20 > was=20 > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at=20 > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order=20 > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip=20 > during the day. Checking back later in the day,=20 > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy=20 > and=20 > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss.=20 >=20 > How should I have handled this?=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________=20 > Do You Yahoo!?=20 > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great=20 > prices=20 > http://auctions.yahoo.com/=20 >=20 > -=20 > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email=20 > "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your=20 > email.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -=20 > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email=20 > "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your=20 email.=20 __________________________________________________=20 Do You Yahoo!?=20 Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices=20 http://auctions.yahoo.com/=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/17/01 17:10:43 = ----- PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include = privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or = use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) = is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended = recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then = delete it from your system. Thank you. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0DF12.11188980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?
No, the 50 DMA might well be a support level, but a = base is a=20 base, it's where other investors were willing to buy or sell, not just a = numerical average on a scale.
 
When multiple institutionals select a base as their = buy point,=20 the price can become unbreakable as they accumulate shares, regardless = of=20 whatever "M" may decide to do at the time. And most institutionals are = chart=20 readers (read about Jack Dreyfus and the Dreyfus Fund, Ch. 10,=20 HTMMIS).
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DiFabio,=20 Nancy
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 = 8:11=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL = What did I do=20 wrong?

Tom,

Would "the support level of a well established base" = be its 50=20 day M.A.?

Nancy

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom=20 Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:02 PM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do = wrong?=20


Anna,

WON's rules of not moving your original stop loss = point up=20 (entry
minus 8%) until you are up at least = 15%, then=20 using a trailing
stop loss of 15% = thereafter, and of=20 holding a stock that moves up
20% for at = least 8=20 weeks, are designed to hold us in a stock long
enough=20 to enjoy the benefits of that rare big winner.

While I violated a lot of rules in holding EPIQ for = well over=20 a
year, I will give you three recent = examples that=20 argue against
what you write:

2/28/01 - gained 17% for the day, had you sold at = the high of=20 the
day, you would have missed an additional = 84% gain=20 to today (and,
of course, whoever bot your = shares=20 potentially made that gain)
4/4/01-4/5/01 - = gained 17%=20 in two days, from the high to today is
an = add'l 35%=20 gain
5/3/01 - gained 15% that day, now it is = another=20 11.6% higher from
the high of that = day

I have had many occasions and stocks over the past = decade plus=20 of
trying to apply CANSLIM and WON rules = where I=20 violated the
selling guidelines. In some = cases I held=20 after a moderate profit,
and later accepted = a loss. In=20 other cases, tho, I sold too soon
and missed = a big=20 advance, thinking taking the fast 20 or 30 or
even 50%=20 profit made sense. And it always did at the time I did =
it. The first time I bot EPIQ, I sold after only 7 weeks, for = a=20
70% net gain. It was the right decision for me at = the time,=20 and
made sense.

If I feel I am premature in buying a stock, and it = surprises=20 me
by "moving too fast", then I am more = likely to say=20 thank you and
sell. If I was lucky enough to = buy it=20 just right, as it broke out
of a quality = CANSLIM type=20 formation, then I try to hang on to it.
For = me, what=20 CANSLIM does is to improve (provide??)
predictability.=20 So long as the stock is moving in what I deem to
be a=20 predictable fashion, then I stay with it. This includes a =
premature b/o that falls back and holds at the support level = of=20 a
well established base.

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net=20


----- Original Message -----
From:=20 <asosis@ca.ibm.com>
To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: = Thursday, May=20 17, 2001 12:32 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = ROIL What did=20 I do wrong?



I have another note/question on this topic. =
It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are = too
high.
For = instance, if a=20 stock went up 15% it does not even occur to me
to=20 take
profits.  20% is only a reason to = tighten my=20 stop loss.
Another example: COCO goes up = from 45 to 52=20 in two days.  I got
in at 47+ =
and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell.  Now = it is=20 down
to 47 and
I = am=20 surprised.  But should I be surprised?  It went up over = 15%=20
in a
couple of days and = there are=20 enough people out there who will
take = profit=20
under these circumstances.  Should I not have = sold at=20 51
EXPECTING a
pullback? =20 The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days
without giving
anything back are = gone. =20 Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move
like = that,=20 I
should sell and get back in when the = expected=20 weakness/pullback
develops.

I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down = to the=20 point
where I
sell = to break=20 even or to loose commisions.

Any thoughts?

Anna



"Rick Parsons"=20 <RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com>@lists.xmission.com =
on
05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM =

Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com =

Sent by:  = owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20


To:   = <canslim@lists.xmission.com>=20
cc:
Subject:  RE: = [CANSLIM] ROIL=20 What did I do wrong?


Have most of your losses taken place since the bear=20 market
started in March
of=20 2000?
How did you folks do prior to the = beginning of=20 the bear market?

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Cefaloni,
John L
Jr.=20 [AMSTA-AR-WEA]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 = 10:04=20 AM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? =


Steve,

I'm sure someone will find something technically = wrong with=20 the
stock, but
in = the=20 meantime, don't beat yourself up.  If I dug through my =
records,
which
I won't=20 do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you =
lots of
examples where I got burned = the same=20 way.  I bought many CANSLIM
breakouts=20
that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would = invariably=20 go on
to make
new = highs. =20 This has happened to me more time than I care to
admit.  To
make =
matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same = stocks,=20
will sit out
the pullback = and then=20 reap the profits of the gains that follow.
That=20 is
really painful.

Anyway, you're not alone.

John C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve=20 F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com] =
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong?


My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current = CANSLIM=20
fundamentals are very good - growing sales, = earnings,=20
industry group, acc/dist, timeliness.   = The=20 technical
reasons were the breakout of a = trendline=20 that I have
been following.  I set my = trend line=20 at from the highs
noted on DOG from 15.94 to = 16.38 to=20 17.  There was a
clear breakout above = the=20 17.  To me this looked like
an = opportunity to see=20 ROIL go quickly to 21 or
thereabout for a = 20% gain in=20 what I was hoping would
be a releatively = short time=20 frame.
I am still learning and will = certainly take=20 your
advice of watching and obeying the 8% = sell=20 rule.
Steve

--- Tom Worley <stkguru@netside.net> = wrote:=20
> Steve,
> =
> The first comment I would offer is why were you = so=20
> determined to
> = buy an oil=20 related stock with a consensus forecast
> = of a=20 decline
> in earnings this year of 3%, = and an=20 additional
> decline next year =
> of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The =
> further comment I
> would = offer is the=20 lack of a decent chart pattern.
> = Honestly,=20 this
> stock has been so volatile that I = cannot see=20 a base
> pattern of
>=20 any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a
> pivot or buy
> = point.
>
> And today's market was = exceptionally=20 volatile,
> compared to recent =
> weeks, which necessitated some closer attention = to=20
> open orders
> = close to=20 execution.
>
> Because=20 of the high volume today, the lack of a good
>=20 chart
> pattern suggesting an imminent = b/o, and=20 the
> volatility since
>=20 early Feb without significant price appreciation, I
> would suspect
> that large = holders have=20 been using every rally as an
> = exit=20
> opportunity.
>=20
> I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope = that
> tomorrow or
>=20 some future day will present you with a rally where
> you can
> consider exiting = without=20 damage. But I would not let
> this = one=20
> fall too much further before exiting. =
>
> Tom Worley =
> stkguru@netside.net
>
>
> ----- Original Message = -----=20
> From: Steve F = <stevepdv@yahoo.com>=20
> To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com> =
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM
> Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? =
>
>
> I have=20 had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it
>=20 was
> breaking out yesterday, so I put in = a limit=20 order at
> 18 today but too late.  = It ran up=20 so I left my order
> in thinking I just = might be=20 lucky to get it on a dip
> during the=20 day.    Checking back later in the day, =
> ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy =
> and
> ended up at 17.21, a = 4.3%=20 loss.
>
> = How should I=20 have handled this?
>
>=20 __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! = Auctions - buy=20 the things you want at great
> = prices=20
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------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0DF12.11188980-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: [CANSLIM] stop loss percentage Date: 17 May 2001 20:48:16 -0400 So when a stock is up 10% from entry, and my stop loss is still at 8% below entry, then I am giving it 18% room, rather than 15%. That's what I don't understand. When it's up 13%, my stop loss is still at 8%, so now it's 21% range. Why don't I move the trailing stop up once it reaches 7+% above entry (15% total span)? Am I missing something again? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:30 PM > The math is off a little, Ann, but I get the idea (when the stock > is 10% over your entry, 15% of its then current price will place > your stop slightly more than 5% below your entry price). > > The reason for the rule to start first with an 8% stop loss from > your entry point (and that assumes correct entry, otherwise all > bets are off), then raise your stop to your entry point only once > the stock has gained 15%, then "chase" the stock's further gains > with a continuing trailing stop loss of 15%, is that Wm O'Neil > found that to be the best balanced "formula" from trial and error > and back testing. I just went quickly thru HTMMIS to find exactly > what WON said on this 10 years ago, and it differs somewhat. He > does talk of "7% to 8%" losses, rather than only 8%, and he also > reiterates selling once you are up 20% "except on the strongest > stocks" which he defines as those that gained 20% in less than 8 > weeks. Those should be held for at least 8 weeks, (presumably > unless they violate the stop loss, altho he doesn't say that). > > I do know that the pattern I describe above is not only what I > was trained on by his staffers, but also what he said in an > interview for Registered Rep, a magazine for stock brokers. > > He also says that once a stock has gained 15%, it should be given > more room than 7% to 8% "to roam". > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ann Hollingworth > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > I have a similar question. WON says to wait until 20% gain (or > 15%) to > change your stop loss up to the price you paid for the stock. > Then, as the > price moves up, (maybe this is people on this list, rather than > WON) keep a > trailing limit at 15% below the current price. > > My question: Why wait until the price is up 20% to put the > trailing limit at > 15% below. > I start with a stop loss at 8% below price. > As the stock moves up 10% above purchase price, why not move my > stop up to > 5% below purchase price? (15% below current price) > Is it because the stock is more likely to drop as it breaks out? > (of course considering volume, as well) > > Thanks, > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:32 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > I have another note/question on this topic. > > It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are > too high. > > For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not even occur to > me to take > > profits. 20% is only a reason to tighten my stop loss. > > Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two days. I got > in at 47+ > > and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell. Now it is > down to 47 > and > > I am surprised. But should I be surprised? It went up over > 15% in a > > couple of days and there are enough people out there who will > take profit > > under these circumstances. Should I not have sold at 51 > EXPECTING a > > pullback? The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days > without giving > > anything back are gone. Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move > like that, I > > should sell and get back in when the expected weakness/pullback > develops. > > > > I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down to the > point where I > > sell to break even or to loose commisions. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com > on > > 05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM > > > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > To: > > cc: > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market > started in > March > > of 2000? > > How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? > > > > Rick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, > John L > > Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM > > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > Steve, > > > > I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the > stock, but > > in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my > records, > > which > > I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show > you lots of > > examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many > CANSLIM breakouts > > that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go > on to make > > new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to > admit. To > > make > > matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, > will sit out > > the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that > follow. That is > > really painful. > > > > Anyway, you're not alone. > > > > John C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM > > fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, > > industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical > > reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have > > been following. I set my trend line at from the highs > > noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a > > clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like > > an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or > > thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would > > be a releatively short time frame. > > I am still learning and will certainly take your > > advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. > > Steve > > > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > > > determined to > > > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > > > of a decline > > > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > > > decline next year > > > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > > > further comment I > > > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > > > Honestly, this > > > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > > > pattern of > > > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > > > pivot or buy > > > point. > > > > > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > > > compared to recent > > > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > > > open orders > > > close to execution. > > > > > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > > > chart > > > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > > > volatility since > > > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > > > would suspect > > > that large holders have been using every rally as an > > > exit > > > opportunity. > > > > > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > > > tomorrow or > > > some future day will present you with a rally where > > > you can > > > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > > > this one > > > fall too much further before exiting. > > > > > > Tom Worley > > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Steve F > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > > > was > > > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > > > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > > > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > > > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > > > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > > > and > > > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > > > > > How should I have handled this? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > > prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > > email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 20:50:40 -0400 But earnings forecasts, and how the company results meet them, is what drives expectations, and thereby price and PE. It must be considered. If you convince yourself from your own due diligence that the analysts are wrong in their forecasts, you may make a lot of money. But you gotta be right. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have been following. I set my trend line at from the highs noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would be a releatively short time frame. I am still learning and will certainly take your advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Steve, > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > determined to > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > of a decline > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > decline next year > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > further comment I > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > Honestly, this > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > pattern of > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > pivot or buy > point. > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > compared to recent > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > open orders > close to execution. > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > chart > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > volatility since > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > would suspect > that large holders have been using every rally as an > exit > opportunity. > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > tomorrow or > some future day will present you with a rally where > you can > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > this one > fall too much further before exiting. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > was > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > and > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > How should I have handled this? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Chart Patterns & IBD SEMINAR Date: 17 May 2001 20:54:35 -0400 Numbers like RS and EPS and GRS and ROE, etc. are useful for narrowing down the universe of stocks into those worth the time to study and watch. But chart reading is an absolutely integral part of CANSLIM. And it is a critical part of entry and exit timing. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:24 AM Again referring to the IBD Seminar last week in New York.. at the end of the session, there was a short quiz on reading charts. Six charts of actual stocks were presented in the manual, without the names, and we were whether or not we would have purchased each of the stocks and the reason why. Keep in mind that I do not believe there were many novices in the group. The reasons for buy and/or not buying were all over the place. When we were told how each of the stock actually performed over the next few months, for the most part, judging by a show of hands, I estimate 75% of the people there picked WRONG on every stock chart. CANSLIM is a terrific tool to assist in selecting winning stocks, but it requires time and hard work. PERIOD. Steve --- Rick Parsons wrote: > I see a lot of discussion here about chart patterns > and a lot of times folks > are looking for a perfect looking cup and handle. > If you subscribe to Daily Graphs printed edition, > you may have received > their booklet "Forty Great Stock Market Winners". > If one scans thru these stocks, one will notice that > some charts are very > sloppy with cup and handles hardly recognized if > there at all. > > For example, on page 40, Schwab is very sloppy > looking. If there is a > handle there, it does not show decreasing volume > prior to the b/o. Look at > EMC on page 14...can anyone recognize a cup and > handle? It looks like it > has three handles. > > Comments?? > > Rick > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Steve F > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 5:43 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EASI close to B/O > > This may break out as the market rises but it is > does > not have a great CANSLIM chart formation. First, > note > that the handle on the right side of the cup is not > sloping down on decreasing volume. The breakout > seemed > to have come after forming short base at the end of > April, if anything this shows that the stock might > be > extended. > Also note the the sequential earnings growth and > sales > growth have been decreasing, quarter to quarter. > That > said, right now the market looks like a rising sea > that will take a lot of stocks up. > > Steve > > --- Vanchee1@aol.com wrote: > > EASI 97/98 AAD is getting close to a B/O might be > > worth watching tomorrow. > > > > Chris. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH - breaking out? Date: 17 May 2001 20:59:26 -0400 I am sure most know I have no objection to posts on under $12 stocks when they meet fundie and chart requirements of CANSLIM. My only advice on this one is to be sure they make their money from issuing mortgages, not from holding them. With rates still falling, many high rate loans will once again be getting refinanced. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:43 AM AHMH does NOT meet WON's $15 stock criteria. It is what I consider a 'just under the CANSLIM radar' stock - which is something that interests me personally as it allows me to benefit from the extra safety factor of valuation. (When it works out - it also compounds the gains considerably - MTON at $13 in October is my best recent example). AHMH has 5-year compounded revenue growth of 58%, and will do in excess of $1.50/share this year. The chart looks very attractive to me, and the volume the last 2 days has been strong. ( Full disclosure - I have a very recent position in the high $9 range.) I know some of you are interested in these slightly lower priced issues with otherwise CANSLIM characteristics. If not, let me know. Cheers, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point Date: 17 May 2001 21:09:29 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C0DF15.A9907DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Danny, until the industry modernizes and creates a new type of buy stop = order that would be invoked only with a combination of price AND volume, = there is no easy way. One alternative is to use a monitoring system that gives you a price = alert when the pivot price is broken. Then you have to go check the = volume yourself, and place an order if appropriate. A second way is to simply use a buy stop order an eighth over the pivot. = If it trades there, your order becomes a market order, and you trust = that volume accompanied the price move. Both of these latter two ways assume you have a day job that prevents = you personally monitoring the market and your watch list. A further alternative is to use a full (or near full) service broker who = takes your instruction to buy ONLY if and when both your price and = volume parameters are met. He can use his computer to monitor the price, = then check the volume, and execute the order without calling you if both = requirements are being met. A busy "big" broker who thinks he knows his = job may not be willing to give you this kind of personal attention, esp. = if you are not a big acct. But a newer broker may. Doesn't require a lot = of thought on his part, and he makes a commission without even having to = make a recommendation. But the best bet is a broker who knows what = "CANSLIM" means the first time you mention it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dannygottlieb=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point Fanus, the question was in fact not mine but that of a friend who = asked me to send it just as you read it. His difficulty is in managing = to get in, at not more than 3% above the pivot, or getting left out = altogether. This is also what happened to me with CNTL.We both dislike = the idea of getting in early, or not at all.Perhaps this was a = rhetorical question as I do not see any good solution when a stock = breaks as fast as did CNTL. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fanus=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point I am not sure I understand the question? You put a buy order in with = your broker when the stock cross the pivot point on above average = volume. This is how you get in. = Can I please have some advice on how to get in at the pivot point Get = Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the = email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not = use quotes in your email.=20 --- Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com = - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the = email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not = use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C0DF15.A9907DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Danny, until the industry modernizes and creates a = new type of=20 buy stop order that would be invoked only with a combination of price = AND=20 volume, there is no easy way.
 
One alternative is to use a monitoring system that = gives you a=20 price alert when the pivot price is broken. Then you have to go check = the volume=20 yourself, and place an order if appropriate.
 
A second way is to simply use a buy stop order an = eighth over=20 the pivot. If it trades there, your order becomes a market order, and = you trust=20 that volume accompanied the price move.
 
Both of these latter two ways assume you have a day = job that=20 prevents you personally monitoring the market and your watch = list.
 
A further alternative is to use a full (or near = full) service=20 broker who takes your instruction to buy ONLY if and when both your = price and=20 volume parameters are met. He can use his computer to monitor the price, = then=20 check the volume, and execute the order without calling you if both = requirements=20 are being met. A busy "big" broker who thinks he knows his job may not = be=20 willing to give you this kind of personal attention, esp. if you are not = a big=20 acct. But a newer broker may. Doesn't require a lot of thought on his = part, and=20 he makes a commission without even having to make a recommendation. But = the best=20 bet is a broker who knows what "CANSLIM" means the first time you = mention=20 it.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 dannygottlieb
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 = 5:27=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot = Point

Fanus, the question was in fact not = mine but that=20 of a friend who asked me to send it just as you read it. His = difficulty=20 is in managing to get in, at not more than 3% above the pivot, or = getting left=20 out altogether. This is also what happened to me with CNTL.We both = dislike the=20 idea of getting in early, or not at all.Perhaps this was a rhetorical = question=20 as I do not see any good solution when a stock breaks as fast as did=20 CNTL.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fanus =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 = 9:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot=20 Point

I am not sure I understand the question? You put a = buy order=20 in with your broker when the stock cross the pivot point on above = average=20 volume. This is how you get in.=20 --------------------------------------------- "Daniel Gottlieb"=20 wrote: Can I please have some advice on how to = get in=20 at the pivot point Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at = http://www.hotmail.com.

- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" = -In the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do = not use=20 quotes in your email.

Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com = - -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email = body,=20 write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use = quotes in=20 your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C0DF15.A9907DA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point Date: 17 May 2001 20:20:50 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C0DF0E.DDB162E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>A second way is to simply use a buy stop order an eighth over the = pivot. If it trades there, your order becomes a market order, and you = trust that volume accompanied the price move.<< If you decide to use this type of order entry try to wait at least 15 = minutes after the open to place your trades. DSquires ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point Danny, until the industry modernizes and creates a new type of buy = stop order that would be invoked only with a combination of price AND = volume, there is no easy way. One alternative is to use a monitoring system that gives you a price = alert when the pivot price is broken. Then you have to go check the = volume yourself, and place an order if appropriate. A second way is to simply use a buy stop order an eighth over the = pivot. If it trades there, your order becomes a market order, and you = trust that volume accompanied the price move. Both of these latter two ways assume you have a day job that prevents = you personally monitoring the market and your watch list. A further alternative is to use a full (or near full) service broker = who takes your instruction to buy ONLY if and when both your price and = volume parameters are met. He can use his computer to monitor the price, = then check the volume, and execute the order without calling you if both = requirements are being met. A busy "big" broker who thinks he knows his = job may not be willing to give you this kind of personal attention, esp. = if you are not a big acct. But a newer broker may. Doesn't require a lot = of thought on his part, and he makes a commission without even having to = make a recommendation. But the best bet is a broker who knows what = "CANSLIM" means the first time you mention it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: dannygottlieb=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point Fanus, the question was in fact not mine but that of a friend who = asked me to send it just as you read it. His difficulty is in managing = to get in, at not more than 3% above the pivot, or getting left out = altogether. This is also what happened to me with CNTL.We both dislike = the idea of getting in early, or not at all.Perhaps this was a = rhetorical question as I do not see any good solution when a stock = breaks as fast as did CNTL. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fanus=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point I am not sure I understand the question? You put a buy order in = with your broker when the stock cross the pivot point on above average = volume. This is how you get in. = Can I please have some advice on how to get in at the pivot point Get = Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In = the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do = not use quotes in your email.=20 - Get free email and a permanent address at = http://www.netaddress.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email = "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" = or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C0DF0E.DDB162E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>A second way is to simply use a buy stop = order an=20 eighth over the pivot. If it trades there, your order becomes a market = order,=20 and you trust that volume accompanied the price = move.<<
 
If you decide to use this type of order entry try to wait at least = 15=20 minutes after the open to place your trades.
 
DSquires
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 = 8:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot = Point

Danny, until the industry modernizes and creates a = new type=20 of buy stop order that would be invoked only with a combination of = price AND=20 volume, there is no easy way.
 
One alternative is to use a monitoring system that = gives you=20 a price alert when the pivot price is broken. Then you have to go = check the=20 volume yourself, and place an order if appropriate.
 
A second way is to simply use a buy stop order an = eighth=20 over the pivot. If it trades there, your order becomes a market order, = and you=20 trust that volume accompanied the price move.
 
Both of these latter two ways assume you have a = day job that=20 prevents you personally monitoring the market and your watch=20 list.
 
A further alternative is to use a full (or near = full)=20 service broker who takes your instruction to buy ONLY if and when both = your=20 price and volume parameters are met. He can use his computer to = monitor the=20 price, then check the volume, and execute the order without calling = you if=20 both requirements are being met. A busy "big" broker who thinks he = knows his=20 job may not be willing to give you this kind of personal attention, = esp. if=20 you are not a big acct. But a newer broker may. Doesn't require a lot = of=20 thought on his part, and he makes a commission without even having to = make a=20 recommendation. But the best bet is a broker who knows what "CANSLIM" = means=20 the first time you mention it.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 dannygottlieb
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 = 5:27=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot=20 Point

Fanus, the question was in fact not = mine but=20 that of a friend who asked me to send it just as you read it. = His=20 difficulty is in managing to get in, at not more than 3% above the = pivot, or=20 getting left out altogether. This is also what happened to me with = CNTL.We=20 both dislike the idea of getting in early, or not at all.Perhaps = this was a=20 rhetorical question as I do not see any good solution when a stock = breaks as=20 fast as did CNTL.
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Fanus =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Thursday, May 17, = 2001 9:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Pivot=20 Point

I am not sure I understand the question? You put a = buy=20 order in with your broker when the stock cross the pivot point on = above=20 average volume. This is how you get in.=20 --------------------------------------------- "Daniel Gottlieb"=20 wrote: Can I please have some advice on how = to get=20 in at the pivot point Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN = Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C0DF0E.DDB162E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stop loss percentage Date: 17 May 2001 21:28:40 -0400 Again, assuming your entry point is perfectly correct, you need to give it 15% above that point, not 15% above the price where you are prepared to sell at a loss. Until your stop loss has moved up to your entry point or higher, you are giving it room to roam from the entry point up. If you set your entry point stop loss at minus 15% from the entry as soon as you bought, there would still be a 15% differential but the stock would not have even moved up yet. A stock can move up 15% from its pivot / base, then return to that point. As long as its not violating its support base, it shouldn't be sold unless there are other factors (such as a reported deterioration in fundamentals). Should it return to the base after a failed b/o, your 8% stop loss should still be sufficient to allow it to even retreat to the bottom of the base without stopping you out. But if you had changed your stop loss to, say, 3% down from your entry point, and it then returned to the base, you could easily be stopped out right before it's next attempt at a b/o (and that might be the one that succeeds big time). Once a stock has gained 15%, the odds of it staying above the base are greater than the odds of it retreating to the base. That's why you then move the stop up to your entry point. Once it has gone even more than 15% above your entry, you "chase" it with a trailing stop. At that point, you have ceased to protect against a capital loss, and begun to protect your profit. I do not always agree with using a full 15% trailing loss once you begin to protect profits. I am currently "chasing" EPIQ with a trailing stop of only about 2%. That's extremely too tight, and done because I ultimately want to be stopped out. I am also leading it with a limit sale in case it spikes big time again. My portfolio is overexposed to a single stock, and it is important to me to reduce that exposure either way. I have huge profits that need to be diversified. Once either is executed (the trailing stop limit or the limit sell), I will loosen up the other. I normally do not use hard stops, but this case is different. So far I have had to raise the stop limit $6 and hope I have to keep raising it. But if I am stopped out tomorrow, that's ok, too. Reading the chart, and knowing how the stock trades, has contributed, so far, to getting away with this tight of a stop. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:48 PM So when a stock is up 10% from entry, and my stop loss is still at 8% below entry, then I am giving it 18% room, rather than 15%. That's what I don't understand. When it's up 13%, my stop loss is still at 8%, so now it's 21% range. Why don't I move the trailing stop up once it reaches 7+% above entry (15% total span)? Am I missing something again? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:30 PM > The math is off a little, Ann, but I get the idea (when the stock > is 10% over your entry, 15% of its then current price will place > your stop slightly more than 5% below your entry price). > > The reason for the rule to start first with an 8% stop loss from > your entry point (and that assumes correct entry, otherwise all > bets are off), then raise your stop to your entry point only once > the stock has gained 15%, then "chase" the stock's further gains > with a continuing trailing stop loss of 15%, is that Wm O'Neil > found that to be the best balanced "formula" from trial and error > and back testing. I just went quickly thru HTMMIS to find exactly > what WON said on this 10 years ago, and it differs somewhat. He > does talk of "7% to 8%" losses, rather than only 8%, and he also > reiterates selling once you are up 20% "except on the strongest > stocks" which he defines as those that gained 20% in less than 8 > weeks. Those should be held for at least 8 weeks, (presumably > unless they violate the stop loss, altho he doesn't say that). > > I do know that the pattern I describe above is not only what I > was trained on by his staffers, but also what he said in an > interview for Registered Rep, a magazine for stock brokers. > > He also says that once a stock has gained 15%, it should be given > more room than 7% to 8% "to roam". > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ann Hollingworth > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > I have a similar question. WON says to wait until 20% gain (or > 15%) to > change your stop loss up to the price you paid for the stock. > Then, as the > price moves up, (maybe this is people on this list, rather than > WON) keep a > trailing limit at 15% below the current price. > > My question: Why wait until the price is up 20% to put the > trailing limit at > 15% below. > I start with a stop loss at 8% below price. > As the stock moves up 10% above purchase price, why not move my > stop up to > 5% below purchase price? (15% below current price) > Is it because the stock is more likely to drop as it breaks out? > (of course considering volume, as well) > > Thanks, > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:32 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > I have another note/question on this topic. > > It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are > too high. > > For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not even occur to > me to take > > profits. 20% is only a reason to tighten my stop loss. > > Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two days. I got > in at 47+ > > and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell. Now it is > down to 47 > and > > I am surprised. But should I be surprised? It went up over > 15% in a > > couple of days and there are enough people out there who will > take profit > > under these circumstances. Should I not have sold at 51 > EXPECTING a > > pullback? The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days > without giving > > anything back are gone. Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move > like that, I > > should sell and get back in when the expected weakness/pullback > develops. > > > > I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down to the > point where I > > sell to break even or to loose commisions. > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com > on > > 05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM > > > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > To: > > cc: > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market > started in > March > > of 2000? > > How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? > > > > Rick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, > John L > > Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM > > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > Steve, > > > > I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the > stock, but > > in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my > records, > > which > > I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show > you lots of > > examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many > CANSLIM breakouts > > that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go > on to make > > new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to > admit. To > > make > > matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, > will sit out > > the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that > follow. That is > > really painful. > > > > Anyway, you're not alone. > > > > John C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM > > fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, > > industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical > > reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have > > been following. I set my trend line at from the highs > > noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a > > clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like > > an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or > > thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would > > be a releatively short time frame. > > I am still learning and will certainly take your > > advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. > > Steve > > > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > > > The first comment I would offer is why were you so > > > determined to > > > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast > > > of a decline > > > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional > > > decline next year > > > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The > > > further comment I > > > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. > > > Honestly, this > > > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base > > > pattern of > > > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a > > > pivot or buy > > > point. > > > > > > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, > > > compared to recent > > > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to > > > open orders > > > close to execution. > > > > > > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good > > > chart > > > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the > > > volatility since > > > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I > > > would suspect > > > that large holders have been using every rally as an > > > exit > > > opportunity. > > > > > > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that > > > tomorrow or > > > some future day will present you with a rally where > > > you can > > > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let > > > this one > > > fall too much further before exiting. > > > > > > Tom Worley > > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Steve F > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > > > > > > > > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it > > > was > > > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at > > > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order > > > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip > > > during the day. Checking back later in the day, > > > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy > > > and > > > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. > > > > > > How should I have handled this? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Fw: [CANSLIM] stop loss percentage Date: 17 May 2001 22:18:08 -0400 Unable to post this privately, as my ISP is being blocked by your ISP, but just wanted you to know I got your private email. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:11 PM I hope it helps in the future. CANSLIM is all about shifting the odds, however slightly, more in favor of the investor. There will always be investors, be they individual or institutional, who still have not learned that, like the casinos, you don't play if the odds don't favor you. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stop loss percentage Date: 17 May 2001 22:44:46 EDT Ann: I believe the point is not to let a profit become a loss (I'm not including commissions). As Tom points out, I believe WON wants you to allow for the big gainer, but the stock shouldn't be given too much leeway-so that it becomes a loser. That's why a 15% gain should not have a stop at a 23% loss [15% + WON's 8% loss from where it broke-out], but at where you bought it, 15% ago. jans In a message dated 5/17/2001 8:49:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, annholly@mediaone.net writes: << So when a stock is up 10% from entry, and my stop loss is still at 8% below entry, then I am giving it 18% room, rather than 15%. That's what I don't understand. When it's up 13%, my stop loss is still at 8%, so now it's 21% range. Why don't I move the trailing stop up once it reaches 7+% above entry (15% total span)? Am I missing something again? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Worley" To: Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > The math is off a little, Ann, but I get the idea (when the stock > is 10% over your entry, 15% of its then current price will place > your stop slightly more than 5% below your entry price). > > The reason for the rule to start first with an 8% stop loss from > your entry point (and that assumes correct entry, otherwise all > bets are off), then raise your stop to your entry point only once > the stock has gained 15%, then "chase" the stock's further gains > with a continuing trailing stop loss of 15%, is that Wm O'Neil > found that to be the best balanced "formula" from trial and error > and back testing. I just went quickly thru HTMMIS to find exactly > what WON said on this 10 years ago, and it differs somewhat. He > does talk of "7% to 8%" losses, rather than only 8%, and he also > reiterates selling once you are up 20% "except on the strongest > stocks" which he defines as those that gained 20% in less than 8 > weeks. Those should be held for at least 8 weeks, (presumably > unless they violate the stop loss, altho he doesn't say that). > > I do know that the pattern I describe above is not only what I > was trained on by his staffers, but also what he said in an > interview for Registered Rep, a magazine for stock brokers. > > He also says that once a stock has gained 15%, it should be given > more room than 7% to 8% "to roam". > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? Date: 17 May 2001 20:50:36 -0600 I do something similar to this, at least in weaker markets like now. Basically, I start with a -7% stop and then move it up 1% for each 2% the stock moves up (using closing prices, although I may change that part). After the stock gets up to +15%, I change to a 15% trailing stop based on intraday highs. At 04:14 PM 5/17/01 -0400, you wrote: >I have a similar question. WON says to wait until 20% gain (or 15%) to >change your stop loss up to the price you paid for the stock. Then, as the >price moves up, (maybe this is people on this list, rather than WON) keep a >trailing limit at 15% below the current price. > >My question: Why wait until the price is up 20% to put the trailing limit at >15% below. >I start with a stop loss at 8% below price. >As the stock moves up 10% above purchase price, why not move my stop up to >5% below purchase price? (15% below current price) >Is it because the stock is more likely to drop as it breaks out? >(of course considering volume, as well) > >Thanks, >Ann >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:32 PM >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? > > >> >> I have another note/question on this topic. >> It dawned upon me today that maybe my (our?) expectations are too high. >> For instance, if a stock went up 15% it does not even occur to me to take >> profits. 20% is only a reason to tighten my stop loss. >> Another example: COCO goes up from 45 to 52 in two days. I got in at 47+ >> and at 51 did not think that maybe I should sell. Now it is down to 47 >and >> I am surprised. But should I be surprised? It went up over 15% in a >> couple of days and there are enough people out there who will take profit >> under these circumstances. Should I not have sold at 51 EXPECTING a >> pullback? The times when a stock moved up 15% in two days without giving >> anything back are gone. Maybe, if I am lucky to catch a move like that, I >> should sell and get back in when the expected weakness/pullback develops. >> >> I am tired of getting 12-15% gains to come back down to the point where I >> sell to break even or to loose commisions. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Anna >> >> >> >> "Rick Parsons" @lists.xmission.com on >> 05/17/2001 12:17:41 PM >> >> Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com >> >> Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >> >> >> To: >> cc: >> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? >> >> >> Have most of your losses taken place since the bear market started in >March >> of 2000? >> How did you folks do prior to the beginning of the bear market? >> >> Rick >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Cefaloni, John L >> Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 10:04 AM >> To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' >> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? >> >> >> Steve, >> >> I'm sure someone will find something technically wrong with the stock, but >> in the meantime, don't beat yourself up. If I dug through my records, >> which >> I won't do because it will be too heartbreaking, I could show you lots of >> examples where I got burned the same way. I bought many CANSLIM breakouts >> that shook me out with an 8% loss and then would invariably go on to make >> new highs. This has happened to me more time than I care to admit. To >> make >> matter worse, a close friend, who often buys the same stocks, will sit out >> the pullback and then reap the profits of the gains that follow. That is >> really painful. >> >> Anyway, you're not alone. >> >> John C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve F [mailto:stevepdv@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:34 AM >> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? >> >> >> My reasons for buying ROIL were, the current CANSLIM >> fundamentals are very good - growing sales, earnings, >> industry group, acc/dist, timeliness. The technical >> reasons were the breakout of a trendline that I have >> been following. I set my trend line at from the highs >> noted on DOG from 15.94 to 16.38 to 17. There was a >> clear breakout above the 17. To me this looked like >> an opportunity to see ROIL go quickly to 21 or >> thereabout for a 20% gain in what I was hoping would >> be a releatively short time frame. >> I am still learning and will certainly take your >> advice of watching and obeying the 8% sell rule. >> Steve >> >> --- Tom Worley wrote: >> > Steve, >> > >> > The first comment I would offer is why were you so >> > determined to >> > buy an oil related stock with a consensus forecast >> > of a decline >> > in earnings this year of 3%, and an additional >> > decline next year >> > of 24%. That violates CANSLIM right there. The >> > further comment I >> > would offer is the lack of a decent chart pattern. >> > Honestly, this >> > stock has been so volatile that I cannot see a base >> > pattern of >> > any kind, thus would have no clue what to use as a >> > pivot or buy >> > point. >> > >> > And today's market was exceptionally volatile, >> > compared to recent >> > weeks, which necessitated some closer attention to >> > open orders >> > close to execution. >> > >> > Because of the high volume today, the lack of a good >> > chart >> > pattern suggesting an imminent b/o, and the >> > volatility since >> > early Feb without significant price appreciation, I >> > would suspect >> > that large holders have been using every rally as an >> > exit >> > opportunity. >> > >> > I would stick to an 8% stop loss max, and hope that >> > tomorrow or >> > some future day will present you with a rally where >> > you can >> > consider exiting without damage. But I would not let >> > this one >> > fall too much further before exiting. >> > >> > Tom Worley >> > stkguru@netside.net >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Steve F >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:10 PM >> > Subject: [CANSLIM] ROIL What did I do wrong? >> > >> > >> > I have had ROIL on my watch list, liked the way it >> > was >> > breaking out yesterday, so I put in a limit order at >> > 18 today but too late. It ran up so I left my order >> > in thinking I just might be lucky to get it on a dip >> > during the day. Checking back later in the day, >> > ROIL passed through my 18, which triggered my buy >> > and >> > ended up at 17.21, a 4.3% loss. >> > >> > How should I have handled this? >> > >> > __________________________________________________ >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great >> > prices >> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> > "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >> > email. >> > >> > >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> > "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >> email. >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >> http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 17 May 2001 20:52:52 -0600 I think it's more redundant that incorrect. I've noticed our company accountants like to put negative numbers under a losses column too. At 06:09 PM 5/17/01 -0400, you wrote: >On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for example, "-7% off >52-week high". > >To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the percentage off >the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all agree? (It's >like a double negative.) > >If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high". > >Does it ever NOT have a minus sign? > >Ann > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot Point Date: 17 May 2001 20:14:23 -0700 Curiously, what date did you attempt to get in CNTL?

dannygottlieb wrote:

Fanus, the question was in fact not mine but that of a friend who asked me to send it just as you read it. His difficulty is in managing to get in, at not more than 3% above the pivot, or getting left out altogether. This is also what happened to me with CNTL.We both dislike the idea of getting in early, or not at all.Perhaps this was a rhetorical question as I do not see any good solution when a stock breaks as fast as did CNTL.
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 I am not sure I understand the question? You put a buy order in with your broker when the stock cross the pivot point on above average volume. This is how you get in. --------------------------------------------- "Daniel Gottlieb" wrote: Can I please have some advice on how to get in at the pivot point Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C0DF5D.AA1F3B60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O Date: 18 May 2001 03:56:31 -0700 (PDT) --- Tom Worley wrote: > RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/OCompared to what? What I might > have done with more active management and attention > to the portfolio? > > 76% gain in '98, with very few trades and long > periods of neglect. 13% in '99 with virtually no > trades and nearly total neglect all year. down about > 20% for 2000, again other than in the first three > months with almost no trades and near total neglect. > up 48% so far this year, a net of about 14% combined > for '00 and '01. managing the acct more actively, > more trades this year so far than for any of the > past 3. fully invested throughout the period, with > the exception of the past 3 months, when I held > about a 20% cash position. fully invested now as of > this week. > > I did well enough under "neglect" conditions that I > have no doubt I would have done far better if I had > had the time away from my job to better attend to my > investments. I have repeatedly reminded members that > my personal investing is in no way suitable for most > CANSLIMers, nor do I suggest any different now. > That's why I normally will never post on my holdings > or watch list. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Parsons > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 9:19 AM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > Addictive? But do you find them more profitable? > > Rick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Tom Worley > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:57 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > Just stay away from the small and micro caps, > they can be truly addictive. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DiFabio, Nancy > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 8:04 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > Tom, > Thanks for the suggestion. > That will be my assignment this evening. > Perhaps it will alleviate my cup and handle mania. > Maybe I can replace this fixation with another chart > pattern fixation, at least temporarily. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Worley > [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:38 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > Rick, > > Far too many CANSLIMers make the mistake of > focusing on, and trying to only find, cup and handle > patterns. This is only one of the numerous valid > and successful CANSLIM chart patterns to look for. I > would suggest you review those 40 stocks again with > Chapter 14 of HTMMIS (How to Read Charts Like an > Expert) open beside you. It should make more sense > then. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Parsons > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:29 AM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > I subscribed to Daily Graphs the paper > edition in order to get the DGO discount. They sent > me a booklet titled "Forty Great Stock Market > Winners". If one scans thru these stock charts, > they will see many do NOT have a classic easy to > recognize cup and handles or if they do, they are > hard to recognize or are sloppy. > > Rick > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of DiFabio, Nancy > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:43 PM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > I don't see a handle. Where is the > handle. It looks like it shot out without a handle. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Fisher > [mailto:Tim@OreRockOn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:49 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO B/O > > > > Bot this AM, anticipating the pivot @ > 48.49 will be reached, great vol, on > my HGS list. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery > Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe > canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use > quotes in your email. > > "WorldSecure " made the > following > annotations on 05/15/01 15:41:54 > > > PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any > attachments, may include privileged, confidential > and/or inside information. 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Thank you. > > > > ============================================================================== > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT Pivot Point Date: 18 May 2001 03:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Great chart and fundamentals on IGT, would like to see the volume pick up from yesterday if it hits the pivot point. Good one to watch today. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] Obsessing on cup and handles ... Date: 18 May 2001 08:09:45 -0700 I have to agree with Tom's comment the other day about inappropriate focus on cup and handle patterns. My experience has been that the best risk/reward comes from stocks whose chart has been flatlining for a long time while revenues are compounding. If and when they do take off on a huge volume increase, there is almost no down side, as there is huge support at the flatline level. For these stocks, volume is everything. MTON did this last year. ALCO is a great current example. Its chart was flat as a pancake for 2 years up until this month. It makes a lot of sense psychologically (all chart reading is showing a picture of greed and fear) - since there will be a lot of security (and lack of fear) if the price retreats back to the pivot - there is a lot smaller chance that you will be stopped out of it. WON talks about them in his book as 'Flat Base Price Structures'. Cheers, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] XTRM - Low-flying stock to watch for a pickup in volume ... Date: 18 May 2001 08:37:50 -0700 Here is another 'slightly low-priced CANSLIM' stock with a very friendly chart and great numbers/outlook. If it ever got a sustained pickup in volume (even 40,000+ a day would do it), I think it wouldn't have any trouble taking out $14+. They will do $1.40+/share this year on solid growth, and are treading near their 19-month high. Watch for volume. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:09 AM > I have to agree with Tom's comment the other day about inappropriate focus > on cup and handle patterns. My experience has been that the best risk/reward > comes from stocks whose chart has been flatlining for a long time while > revenues are compounding. If and when they do take off on a huge volume > increase, there is almost no down side, as there is huge support at the > flatline level. For these stocks, volume is everything. > > MTON did this last year. ALCO is a great current example. Its chart was flat > as a pancake for 2 years up until this month. > > It makes a lot of sense psychologically (all chart reading is showing a > picture of greed and fear) - since there will be a lot of security (and lack > of fear) if the price retreats back to the pivot - there is a lot smaller > chance that you will be stopped out of it. > > > WON talks about them in his book as 'Flat Base Price Structures'. > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Obsessing on cup and handles ... Date: 18 May 2001 08:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Cup and handle formations are a good tool to use along with solid fundamentals. Certainly not the only chart formation but a good one. How successful have you been investing in the chart formation that you suggest with 'great stocks' as you say ALCO is. How long have you been following this stock and what clue did you have that the price was going to rally as it did. Where did you buy in and why? Steve --- Ian wrote: > I have to agree with Tom's comment the other day > about inappropriate focus > on cup and handle patterns. My experience has been > that the best risk/reward > comes from stocks whose chart has been flatlining > for a long time while > revenues are compounding. If and when they do take > off on a huge volume > increase, there is almost no down side, as there is > huge support at the > flatline level. For these stocks, volume is > everything. > > MTON did this last year. ALCO is a great current > example. Its chart was flat > as a pancake for 2 years up until this month. > > It makes a lot of sense psychologically (all chart > reading is showing a > picture of greed and fear) - since there will be a > lot of security (and lack > of fear) if the price retreats back to the pivot - > there is a lot smaller > chance that you will be stopped out of it. > > > WON talks about them in his book as 'Flat Base Price > Structures'. > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Obsessing on cup and handles ... Date: 18 May 2001 08:37:59 -0700 I echo this question. I see no stocks with a flatlined chart on my watch list, nor on anyone else's watch list. The criteria to qualify as CANSLIM, i.e. consistent earnings growth, high RS, high GRS, essentially precludes a flatline chart. And I do not believe that WON would think that such a thinly traded, essentially dead chart such as ALCO's would qualify as a flat base. Furthermore, I suspect that ALCO has dismal CANLIM characteristics. Certainly the RS has been in the toilet, and Insurance -property GRS is a dismal 42. On 08:23 AM 5/18/01, Steve F Said: >Cup and handle formations are a good tool to use >along with solid fundamentals. Certainly not the only >chart formation but a good one. How successful have >you been investing in the chart formation that you >suggest with 'great stocks' as you say ALCO is. How >long have you been following this stock and what clue >did you have that the price was going to rally as it >did. Where did you buy in and why? >Steve >--- Ian wrote: > > I have to agree with Tom's comment the other day > > about inappropriate focus > > on cup and handle patterns. My experience has been > > that the best risk/reward > > comes from stocks whose chart has been flatlining > > for a long time while > > revenues are compounding. If and when they do take > > off on a huge volume > > increase, there is almost no down side, as there is > > huge support at the > > flatline level. For these stocks, volume is > > everything. > > > > MTON did this last year. ALCO is a great current > > example. Its chart was flat > > as a pancake for 2 years up until this month. > > > > It makes a lot of sense psychologically (all chart > > reading is showing a > > picture of greed and fear) - since there will be a > > lot of security (and lack > > of fear) if the price retreats back to the pivot - > > there is a lot smaller > > chance that you will be stopped out of it. > > > > > > WON talks about them in his book as 'Flat Base Price > > Structures'. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >email. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Virus alerts Date: 18 May 2001 08:20:52 -0700 Tom,

This is from Symantec:  I subscribe to their notification service.  I attempted to include the header, but it would not paste.  I also do not use Outlook either.

Tom Worley wrote:

Dan posted on the latest worm being spread. What his email did not mention (no surprise since he was forwarding an email apparently from Symantec), is that this worm is being spread using false email that purports to be from Symantec (so Dan, you may want to double check your PC). This is apparently the new trend, to disguise the source as a site you would normally trust, and use a subject line that gives you a reason to open it (in this case from a known anti-virus software company warning of a new virus). So if you get email from Symantec warning of a virus, and you don't normally receive email from Symantec (they are not known for spamming), then I would suggest you may want to be very careful about opening it. Tom Worley
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- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Obsessing on cup and handles ... Date: 18 May 2001 09:36:01 -0700 My mistake. I meant to say that ALCO is a great example of a flat chart - I don't think it is a great company/stock. I have never bought it - just using it as a recent example of an extremely flat chart that is moving up on increasing volume. I have done extremely well in the past when I have bought flat bases. Since the support is so strong, I am comfortable taking substantial positions in them. Last August, I took a large position in CANI at $11 - it had been extremely flat for a long time , with CANSLIM growth/earnings characteristics. In October, I did the same with MTON. Obviously, neither had strong RS or group RS at the time they broke out from their flat bases - but they were both near/at their 52-week highs. Both of them became IBD 'big money flowing' favourites within a few weeks of my buy points, as it takes very little for flat-base stocks to grow their RS by 30-40 points. I used a combination of exceptionally good news and volume increases to judge my entry points. Also, in both cases the 'groups' that IBD classified them in were, IMHO, dead wrong. CANI's success was tied directly to the health of financial instituions - yet they were grouped in with the faltering IS/IT companies. MTON's success was tied to cellphone usage - yet they were grouped with companies who required network buildout. One has to use some common-sense when evaluating all the criteria - make sure the published data is correct/meaningful. I don't find good CANSLIM stocks with flat charts very often - next time I find one I will be sure to post it here. Cheers, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Pivot Point Date: 18 May 2001 09:50:35 -0700 It's gone.... Wished I caught it. Maybe on a pullback. Gaming issues IGT, SHFL, PENN, and SLOT are featured in IBD's Weekend Review. -Bill ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:59 AM > Great chart and fundamentals on IGT, would like to > see the volume pick up from yesterday if it hits the > pivot point. Good one to watch today. > > Steve > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 18 May 2001 10:50:56 -0600 IGT is up on twice normal volume. I'm not quite sure where I would put the pivot point on this one, but it is above the highs of the right side of the cup/handle, if thats what that stuff is. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Stock gaps? Date: 18 May 2001 12:51:13 EDT --part1_103.384479f.2836ad01_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just out of curiosity looking at the chart ALCO I see a huge gap from 19 to about 21.75 How often are gaps filled? Chris --part1_103.384479f.2836ad01_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just out of curiosity looking at the chart ALCO I see a huge gap from 19 to
about 21.75 How often are gaps filled?

Chris --part1_103.384479f.2836ad01_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Obsessing on cup and handles ... Date: 18 May 2001 10:00:01 -0700 I think that cups w/handles are the easiest to spot for many canslimers (myself included). My first year (4 years ago) I focused solely on Cups w/ handles. I now have a better understanding of double bottoms and flat basing patterns. I've also try and spot LLUR's though I'm not good at grabbing those yet. I agree about the flat basing stock breakouts having better upwards potential but they are harder to find in volatile markets. Btw, IBD's General Markets and Sectors page is pointing out that all three indexes have now formed cup w/handles. : ) -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 8:09 AM > I have to agree with Tom's comment the other day about inappropriate focus > on cup and handle patterns. My experience has been that the best risk/reward > comes from stocks whose chart has been flatlining for a long time while > revenues are compounding. If and when they do take off on a huge volume > increase, there is almost no down side, as there is huge support at the > flatline level. For these stocks, volume is everything. > > MTON did this last year. ALCO is a great current example. Its chart was flat > as a pancake for 2 years up until this month. > > It makes a lot of sense psychologically (all chart reading is showing a > picture of greed and fear) - since there will be a lot of security (and lack > of fear) if the price retreats back to the pivot - there is a lot smaller > chance that you will be stopped out of it. > > > WON talks about them in his book as 'Flat Base Price Structures'. > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Pivot Point Date: 18 May 2001 09:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Not too far out of line on the pivot. Rules say that you should not let a stock get more than 5% above pivot. --- Bill Triffet wrote: > It's gone.... Wished I caught it. Maybe on a > pullback. Gaming issues IGT, > SHFL, PENN, and SLOT are featured in IBD's Weekend > Review. > > -Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve F" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:59 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT Pivot Point > > > > Great chart and fundamentals on IGT, would like > to > > see the volume pick up from yesterday if it hits > the > > pivot point. Good one to watch today. > > > > Steve > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT gone? Hardly Date: 18 May 2001 10:32:01 -0700 Well within range, wish I had some $$$! Pivot 59.13, currently 59.20... Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Virus alerts Date: 18 May 2001 13:29:49 EDT Tom: To make this clear: Do you mean Opening it in my normal E-mail browser. Or do you mean Opening it using a software text reader (eg. Word or WordPerfect). In a message dated 5/18/2001 5:50:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << ...So if you get email from Symantec warning of a virus, and you don't normally receive email from Symantec (they are not known for spamming), then I would suggest you may want to be very careful about opening it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Pivot Point Date: 18 May 2001 11:11:28 -0700 Tim & Steve, Got me on that one. Thanks for the correction. I was quickly looking at a Clearstation chart and misread it. I went to IBD (better charting) and see it's ok. Matter of fact it pulled back just a bit. Btw, I'm in now. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:58 AM > Not too far out of line on the pivot. Rules say that > you should not let a stock get more than 5% above > pivot. > > --- Bill Triffet wrote: > > It's gone.... Wished I caught it. Maybe on a > > pullback. Gaming issues IGT, > > SHFL, PENN, and SLOT are featured in IBD's Weekend > > Review. > > > > -Bill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve F" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:59 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT Pivot Point > > > > > > > Great chart and fundamentals on IGT, would like > > to > > > see the volume pick up from yesterday if it hits > > the > > > pivot point. Good one to watch today. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Makara, Tamas" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT gone? Hardly Date: 18 May 2001 20:11:59 +0200 Currently bellow the pivot. Would be suspect if cannot close above previous high with volume like this. Tim Fisher wrote: > Well within range, wish I had some $$$! Pivot 59.13, currently 59.20... > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] ORLY - 73 86 A B B - significant volume surge here Date: 18 May 2001 11:38:53 -0700 Any opinions/history with ORLY? (I had it on one of my many QuoteTracker watch lists - I can't remember why ) Thanks, Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Makara, Tamas" Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT On Balance Volume Date: 18 May 2001 20:22:54 +0200 On Balance Volume will fail to make a decisive new high today. Looks like someone big is selling. Tamas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Price gaps Date: 18 May 2001 16:19:29 EDT --part1_a6.1443311a.2836ddd1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, just talked to a friend in the business who says price gaps (ALCO) almost always gets filled unless its a special situation such as a buy out. --part1_a6.1443311a.2836ddd1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, just talked to a friend in the business who says price gaps (ALCO)
almost always gets filled unless its a special situation such as a buy out. --part1_a6.1443311a.2836ddd1_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Pivot Point Date: 18 May 2001 13:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Bill, Glad to note that you are in, nice to have the company. I paid on the high end of todays range but I will close up for the day.(59.50) It did not look like I would a couple of hours ago. Steve --- Bill Triffet wrote: > Tim & Steve, > Got me on that one. Thanks for the correction. I was > quickly looking at a > Clearstation chart and misread it. I went to IBD > (better charting) and see > it's ok. Matter of fact it pulled back just a bit. > > Btw, I'm in now. > > -Bill Triffet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve F" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Pivot Point > > > > Not too far out of line on the pivot. Rules say > that > > you should not let a stock get more than 5% above > > pivot. > > > > --- Bill Triffet wrote: > > > It's gone.... Wished I caught it. Maybe on a > > > pullback. Gaming issues IGT, > > > SHFL, PENN, and SLOT are featured in IBD's > Weekend > > > Review. > > > > > > -Bill > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Steve F" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 3:59 AM > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT Pivot Point > > > > > > > > > > Great chart and fundamentals on IGT, would > like > > > to > > > > see the volume pick up from yesterday if it > hits > > > the > > > > pivot point. Good one to watch today. > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at > great > > > prices > > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > > email. > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] Dart throwing time Date: 18 May 2001 13:36:48 -0700 Weeks like this make me glad to be in CANSLIM and also worried for the near term future - you could have thrown darts at my watch list and come out way ahead. SHFL, IGT the only fresh breakouts on my list, but that's because everything else broke out earlier in the week! Lots of stuff way extended now, e.g. Krispy Kreme - who woulda thunk that one would go vertical? I raised my stop on TRR _twice_ today. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Dart throwing time Date: 18 May 2001 14:28:24 -0700 Interesting times indeed. I'm surprised at the huge number of home builders and gaming stocks listed in the Weekend Review of IBD. Neither of them I would think would be real long term leaders. But... gotta go with the flow. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:36 PM > Weeks like this make me glad to be in CANSLIM and also worried for the near > term future - you could have thrown darts at my watch list and come out way > ahead. SHFL, IGT the only fresh breakouts on my list, but that's because > everything else broke out earlier in the week! Lots of stuff way extended > now, e.g. Krispy Kreme - who woulda thunk that one would go vertical? I > raised my stop on TRR _twice_ today. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Dart throwing time Date: 18 May 2001 18:00:56 EDT --part1_18.d09e34a.2836f598_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, I agree with the saying gotta go with the flow, this is how the big % gains are made. Current holding for this week are, SPCH 97/91 B, my dead money, lowered my position too thinly traded. Good fundies, no dept., could pop on earnings. HOC 93/99 A, chart looking strong, good sector right now. Ally 78/99 AA POG 79/95 AAA PDX 79/92 AAB WMS 74/92 AAB Thanks whoever mentioned a couple of these, I like what I see on the charts and the numbers are good! On my watch, SFC 99/98 AA sold early in week but might buy back if it starts back up. Now Tom if you tell me this is not a canslim stock with these numbers you will need to explain. But I will admit, it is a smaller company with only 3.6 mil shrs out and 2 mil float. Might be too thin for most investors. Have a good weekend all, Chris. --part1_18.d09e34a.2836f598_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, I agree with the saying gotta go with the flow, this is how the big %
gains are made.
Current holding for this week are,

SPCH 97/91 B, my dead money, lowered my position too thinly traded. Good
fundies, no dept., could pop on earnings.

HOC 93/99 A, chart looking strong, good sector right now.

Ally 78/99 AA  

POG 79/95 AAA

PDX 79/92 AAB

WMS 74/92 AAB

Thanks whoever mentioned a couple of these, I like what I see on the charts
and the numbers are good!

On my watch, SFC 99/98 AA sold early in week but might buy back if it starts
back up. Now Tom if you tell me this is not a canslim stock with these
numbers you will need to explain. But I will admit, it is a smaller company
with only 3.6 mil shrs out and 2 mil float. Might be too thin for most
investors.

Have a good weekend all, Chris. --part1_18.d09e34a.2836f598_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] WRC Date: 18 May 2001 20:03:57 EDT --part1_2f.154068ef.2837126d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WRC 79/95 AAB, Just spotted this one, looks pretty good earning are great, PE still only at 13.7 room for appreciation. Oil and gas co. New 52 week high on double volume. Some might consider a little extended. Shrs out 38 mil with 7.7 float. Chris. --part1_2f.154068ef.2837126d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WRC 79/95 AAB, Just spotted this one, looks pretty good earning are great, PE
still only at 13.7 room for appreciation. Oil and gas co. New 52 week high on
double volume. Some might consider a little extended. Shrs out 38 mil with
7.7 float.

Chris. --part1_2f.154068ef.2837126d_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: [CANSLIM] setting stop/loss Date: 18 May 2001 20:37:01 -0500 As some of you have mentioned, we have had a great CANSLIM week. I now find myself needing to move up a stop/loss. My question is: do I use the regular market close price as the basis of calculating my s/l number, or do I use the extended market close? I ask this because FEIC closed lower in the after hours market than at the end of the regular days trade. Norman - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Virus alerts Date: 18 May 2001 23:20:27 -0400 While I am no expert on viruses, I understand the latest rage is .vbs type files, as well as some others that apparently are executable while just reading or previewing the email (not opening the attachment). Apparently done this way, they are worms rather than a true virus (whatever the difference is I am not sure). While this latest one is described as "relatively harmless", it does alter some settings and files (including regedit, I think) which can be restored by a download from Symantec. It also changes your browser home page, which has to reset manually. To me that is not "harmless", altho less than some viruses. It also uses your address book to mail itself out. I didn't save the article on it, so that's about all I remember. But here's one trick from TipWorld that can protect you. quote: Virus Blocker! (95, 98, Me) What about the viruses that look like text or picture files being sent in emails, but they're really VB Script files? You can create an added layer of protection against these viruses. (These files extensions could potentially be dangerous to your system if they're really viruses: .js, .jse, .vbs, .scr, .shs, and .shb.) The problem arises whenever people receive these files in an email and they double-click them. BOOM! Their system gets smacked. This situation occurs because the Windows default for a double-click on these files is an 'OPEN' command. Fortunately, you can change this default to 'EDIT' so that if you double-click on the file, it won't run, but will harmlessly be displayed in Notepad where you can read it. - For Windows Me: Go to the Control Panel and select the Folder Options icon. Now, select the File Types tab and a small flashlight will appear. You may have to wait a moment. Next, when the files are displayed, find one with one of the extensions I listed above. Select it, and click the Advanced tab. Now, highlight Edit and press the Set Default button. That's got it! - For Windows 95/98: This scenario is a bit more difficult. Go to an Explorer window and select View, then Folder Options. Click the Files tab and scroll through the file types. You will see the extensions in the small window at the bottom. When you find a file with one of the extensions I mentioned above, click Edit. Now select Edit from within the Actions list and click the Default button. That should set you up. - Michael Vincent unquote Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:29 PM Tom: To make this clear: Do you mean Opening it in my normal E-mail browser. Or do you mean Opening it using a software text reader (eg. Word or WordPerfect). In a message dated 5/18/2001 5:50:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << ...So if you get email from Symantec warning of a virus, and you don't normally receive email from Symantec (they are not known for spamming), then I would suggest you may want to be very careful about opening it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WRC Date: 18 May 2001 21:23:35 -0600 Very extended, not buyable now until a pullback or a new base of some sort forms. On 18 May 01, at 20:03, Vanchee1@aol.com wrote: > WRC 79/95 AAB, Just spotted this one, looks pretty good earning are great, PE > still only at 13.7 room for appreciation. Oil and gas co. New 52 week high on > double volume. Some might consider a little extended. Shrs out 38 mil with > 7.7 float. > > Chris. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: SFC (was Re: [CANSLIM] Dart throwing time) Date: 18 May 2001 23:43:26 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0DFF4.561B0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Chris, Much better presentation, thank you. I won't say SFC is not CANSLIM, as it has been on and off my watch list = several times in the past six months. Never bot it, and it left my watch = list the last time once I saw latest earnings, and noted that they have = been essentially flat for three qtrs despite a rise in revenues. I also = note if they continue this in the current qtr, earnings will be down 25% = on a Y2Y basis. This explained the low PE (17) to me. Since there are no = earnings consensus given at DGO, this is what I go on. Future = expectations are critical, history is history. I would also note that there is no present entry point indicated. At = best right now, it is only a one week base. Even in this improved "M", = you are going to need to watch it for another 4-5 weeks at least for a = valid base to develop. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Dart throwing time Bill, I agree with the saying gotta go with the flow, this is how the = big %=20 gains are made.=20 Current holding for this week are,=20 SPCH 97/91 B, my dead money, lowered my position too thinly traded. = Good=20 fundies, no dept., could pop on earnings.=20 HOC 93/99 A, chart looking strong, good sector right now.=20 Ally 78/99 AA =20 POG 79/95 AAA=20 PDX 79/92 AAB=20 WMS 74/92 AAB=20 Thanks whoever mentioned a couple of these, I like what I see on the = charts=20 and the numbers are good!=20 On my watch, SFC 99/98 AA sold early in week but might buy back if it = starts=20 back up. Now Tom if you tell me this is not a canslim stock with these = numbers you will need to explain. But I will admit, it is a smaller = company=20 with only 3.6 mil shrs out and 2 mil float. Might be too thin for most = investors.=20 Have a good weekend all, Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0DFF4.561B0700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Chris,
 
Much better presentation, thank you.
 
I won't say SFC is not CANSLIM, as it has been on = and off my=20 watch list several times in the past six months. Never bot it, and it = left my=20 watch list the last time once I saw latest earnings, and noted that they = have=20 been essentially flat for three qtrs despite a rise in revenues. I also = note if=20 they continue this in the current qtr, earnings will be down 25% on a = Y2Y basis.=20 This explained the low PE (17) to me. Since there are no earnings = consensus=20 given at DGO, this is what I go on. Future expectations are critical, = history is=20 history.
 
I would also note that there is no present entry = point=20 indicated. At best right now, it is only a one week base. Even in this = improved=20 "M", you are going to need to watch it for another 4-5 weeks at least = for a=20 valid base to develop.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 6:00 = PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Dart = throwing=20 time

Bill, I = agree with the=20 saying gotta go with the flow, this is how the big %
gains are = made.=20
Current holding for this week are,

SPCH 97/91 B, my dead = money,=20 lowered my position too thinly traded. Good
fundies, no dept., = could pop=20 on earnings.

HOC 93/99 A, chart looking strong, good sector = right now.=20

Ally 78/99 AA  

POG 79/95 AAA

PDX 79/92 = AAB=20

WMS 74/92 AAB

Thanks whoever mentioned a couple of = these, I=20 like what I see on the charts
and the numbers are good!

On = my=20 watch, SFC 99/98 AA sold early in week but might buy back if it starts =
back up. Now Tom if you tell me this is not a canslim stock with = these=20
numbers you will need to explain. But I will admit, it is a = smaller=20 company
with only 3.6 mil shrs out and 2 mil float. Might be too = thin for=20 most
investors.

Have a good weekend all, Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C0DFF4.561B0700-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] setting stop/loss Date: 19 May 2001 00:26:46 -0400 As far as I am concerned, I never would trust data from either pre or after market trading for such critical decisions as the placement of a stop loss. Looking at the data I get from cbs.marketwatch.com, I see that it traded 877.9K shares during regular trading, and a fairly hefty 50.4K in aftermarket. The gain up to 4PM was exactly offset by the comparative loss in aftermarket. But because the gain was on over 17 times the volume of the aftermarket volume, I would not consider aftermarket trading as a valid indicator of interest, unless there was aftermarket news. And maybe not even then. During regular trading, the spread might only be 5 or 10 cents at the most. During aftermarket trading, the spread could easily increase to a dollar or more, thus a single trade of 100 shares at the bid could make the price change look significant when it is not. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:37 PM As some of you have mentioned, we have had a great CANSLIM week. I now find myself needing to move up a stop/loss. My question is: do I use the regular market close price as the basis of calculating my s/l number, or do I use the extended market close? I ask this because FEIC closed lower in the after hours market than at the end of the regular days trade. Norman - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] setting stop/loss Date: 18 May 2001 21:47:27 -0700 Just my opinion and I think WON's, I would keep it simple and base things on the market close. After hours pricing is just too unreliable. Also, when did you make the FEIC purchace that would require you to move up a stop/loss? Myself, I picked up FEIC yesterday at 35 and don't see any reason to make any changes yet. Did you pick it up furthur back? -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 6:37 PM > As some of you have mentioned, we have had a great CANSLIM week. I now find > myself needing to move up a stop/loss. My question is: do I use the regular > market close price as the basis of calculating my s/l number, or do I use > the extended market close? I ask this because FEIC closed lower in the > after hours market than at the end of the regular days trade. > > Norman > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] setting stop/loss Date: 19 May 2001 06:55:24 -0500 Thanks for words Tom, Ann and Bill. I cheated a little (don't tell WON) and picked it up at 32.7 on the 14th and it's about 15% over that now. I'm going to move my s/l up to the buy price this weekend. After a shaking beginning to this year it will be nice in the black on something. Tom, I was looking at the extended hours trades and there were 2 large trades: 15K/4p.m. and 40K/5p.m. And, you're right about a very small trade changing the price, a 100 share trade moved the price over 4%. Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 11:47 PM > Just my opinion and I think WON's, I would keep it simple and base things on > the market close. After hours pricing is just too unreliable. Also, when did > you make the FEIC purchace that would require you to move up a stop/loss? > Myself, I picked up FEIC yesterday at 35 and don't see any reason to make > any changes yet. Did you pick it up furthur back? > > -Bill Triffet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 6:37 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] setting stop/loss > > > > As some of you have mentioned, we have had a great CANSLIM week. I now > find > > myself needing to move up a stop/loss. My question is: do I use the > regular > > market close price as the basis of calculating my s/l number, or do I use > > the extended market close? I ask this because FEIC closed lower in the > > after hours market than at the end of the regular days trade. > > > > Norman > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: [CANSLIM] IBM Date: 19 May 2001 07:51:58 -0500 This one isn't on my short list but I have a few questions. First, can it properly be classified as a computer maker as IBD does? I don't know all the sources of their income but it seems they should be something like Computer - Diversified. Second, if they have significant revenue from sources that can be categorized as being in a more favorable industry (A or B) does this make it a partial CANSLIM? Third, I was looking at the chart and it looks like a poorly formed double bottom or maybe a 9 week cup with a poor 4 week handle with low vol. Any CANSLIM thoughts? Norman Boyd - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM Date: 19 May 2001 05:53:29 -0700 (PDT) The N is for NEW, what is new with Big Blue? regards Kent Norman --- Norman wrote: > This one isn't on my short list but I have a few > questions. First, can it > properly be classified as a computer maker as IBD > does? I don't know all > the sources of their income but it seems they should > be something like > Computer - Diversified. Second, if they have > significant revenue from > sources that can be categorized as being in a more > favorable industry (A or > B) does this make it a partial CANSLIM? Third, I > was looking at the chart > and it looks like a poorly formed double bottom or > maybe a 9 week cup with a > poor 4 week handle with low vol. Any CANSLIM > thoughts? > > Norman Boyd > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base Date: 19 May 2001 08:55:38 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0E041.7A3EB580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Saw this one in reviewing the DGO List - 98/97/B/B/A/B - went from $4 to = over $8 in three weeks. Heavy volume. This pattern is relatively common = among the small and microcap stocks. Very difficult to find a correct = entry without tying up capital for an indefinite time period. In this = case, it started with a 24% price spike on volume 4/27. Because of the = price of these type stocks, you typically have little if any = institutional support, and usually no analysts following it. And far too = often, these price spikes are triggered by some unknown firm or = newsletter hyping the stock. So, unless you are "in the loop", you don't = get any warning to buy. Still, sometimes they have very good CANSLIM = qualities and are just waiting to be discovered. These patterns, regardless of price but especially when the price is so = low, are for the patient investor willing to take extra risks. There is usually a reason why a stock can base for so long. Sometimes it = is lack of "visibility", or the lack of experience of management in = dealing with the investment community (e.g. analysts, newsletter = writers, market makers, etc). Those problems can eventually be cured = when earnings and sales are growing like this one. But it can also be = because the stock is being manipulated, or is only worth that much. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0E041.7A3EB580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Saw this one in reviewing the DGO List - = 98/97/B/B/A/B - went=20 from $4 to over $8 in three weeks. Heavy volume. This pattern is = relatively=20 common among the small and microcap stocks. Very difficult to find a = correct=20 entry without tying up capital for an indefinite time period. In this = case, it=20 started with a 24% price spike on volume 4/27. Because of the price of = these=20 type stocks, you typically have little if any institutional support, and = usually=20 no analysts following it. And far too often, these price spikes are = triggered by=20 some unknown firm or newsletter hyping the stock. So, unless you are "in = the=20 loop", you don't get any warning to buy. Still, sometimes they have very = good=20 CANSLIM qualities and are just waiting to be discovered.
 
These patterns, regardless of price but especially = when the=20 price is so low, are for the patient investor willing to take extra=20 risks.
 
There is usually a reason why a stock can base for = so long.=20 Sometimes it is lack of "visibility", or the lack of experience of = management in=20 dealing with the investment community (e.g. analysts, newsletter = writers, market=20 makers, etc). Those problems can eventually be cured when earnings and = sales are=20 growing like this one. But it can also be because the stock is being=20 manipulated, or is only worth that much.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0E041.7A3EB580-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM Date: 19 May 2001 09:15:01 -0400 I haven't looked at the breakdown of their revenue sources in some years, so can't comment on their Industry classification. But I do think they meet enough criteria as a huge big cap stock to look at them from a CANSLIM perspective. Four consecutive quarters of earnings growth, during very difficult times, where their earnings grew between 16% and 32%. That is well over their 5 year average of 12%, which alone is respectable for a big cap. ROE is a powerful 39%, cash flow a strong $7.46 compared to last year's (or any year's) earnings of $4.44 Heavy institutional support, altho funds only own 13% Heavy debt at 89%, but falling interest rates, and the credibility of the Big Blue name, should make it easy for them to refinance at much lower rates, contributing to either further growth or higher profits Earnings forecasts are weak by CS standards at 9% this year and 13% next year. But there are not that many tech big caps that can be expected to do that well compared to 2000. Chartwise there is a well formed, but very deep, c&h with a nice handle already formed. "M" explains a lot of that. Like most tech stocks, they are way down from their 12 month high, so the RS of 53 is to be expected. But as time passes, the old 12 month high will get lower and lower, and I would expect to see RS climb rapidly. EPS of 90 and SMR of A certainly qualify as CANSLIM. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 8:51 AM This one isn't on my short list but I have a few questions. First, can it properly be classified as a computer maker as IBD does? I don't know all the sources of their income but it seems they should be something like Computer - Diversified. Second, if they have significant revenue from sources that can be categorized as being in a more favorable industry (A or B) does this make it a partial CANSLIM? Third, I was looking at the chart and it looks like a poorly formed double bottom or maybe a 9 week cup with a poor 4 week handle with low vol. Any CANSLIM thoughts? Norman Boyd - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM Date: 19 May 2001 08:26:46 -0500 HTMMIS, p. 22: "N = New Products, New Mgt, New Highs: Buying at the Right Time"; not always a new company. If we dismissed all non-perfect CANSLIM stocks in this group there would be very little discussion. I put some thought into the questions and just maybe they deserve more than a brush-off. I think IBM is expanding all the time. And, I believe they are a relatively new entry in the Application Server Software industry (vs BEAS). And a new CEO selection was just announced. Are these considered new news? I do not now, nor have I ever, owned IBM. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:53 AM > The N is for NEW, what is new with Big Blue? > > regards > Kent Norman > > --- Norman wrote: > > This one isn't on my short list but I have a few > > questions. First, can it > > properly be classified as a computer maker as IBD > > does? I don't know all > > the sources of their income but it seems they should > > be something like > > Computer - Diversified. Second, if they have > > significant revenue from > > sources that can be categorized as being in a more > > favorable industry (A or > > B) does this make it a partial CANSLIM? Third, I > > was looking at the chart > > and it looks like a poorly formed double bottom or > > maybe a 9 week cup with a > > poor 4 week handle with low vol. Any CANSLIM > > thoughts? > > > > Norman Boyd > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM Date: 19 May 2001 08:28:49 -0500 Thanks for the input Tom. That's kinda the way I saw it, but as usual, not nearly as clearly :-) Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 8:15 AM > I haven't looked at the breakdown of their revenue sources in > some years, so can't comment on their Industry classification. > > But I do think they meet enough criteria as a huge big cap stock > to look at them from a CANSLIM perspective. > > Four consecutive quarters of earnings growth, during very > difficult times, where their earnings grew between 16% and 32%. > That is well over their 5 year average of 12%, which alone is > respectable for a big cap. > > ROE is a powerful 39%, cash flow a strong $7.46 compared to last > year's (or any year's) earnings of $4.44 > > Heavy institutional support, altho funds only own 13% > > Heavy debt at 89%, but falling interest rates, and the > credibility of the Big Blue name, should make it easy for them to > refinance at much lower rates, contributing to either further > growth or higher profits > > Earnings forecasts are weak by CS standards at 9% this year and > 13% next year. But there are not that many tech big caps that can > be expected to do that well compared to 2000. > > Chartwise there is a well formed, but very deep, c&h with a nice > handle already formed. "M" explains a lot of that. > > Like most tech stocks, they are way down from their 12 month > high, so the RS of 53 is to be expected. But as time passes, the > old 12 month high will get lower and lower, and I would expect to > see RS climb rapidly. > > EPS of 90 and SMR of A certainly qualify as CANSLIM. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 8:51 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] IBM > > > This one isn't on my short list but I have a few questions. > First, can it > properly be classified as a computer maker as IBD does? I don't > know all > the sources of their income but it seems they should be something > like > Computer - Diversified. Second, if they have significant revenue > from > sources that can be categorized as being in a more favorable > industry (A or > B) does this make it a partial CANSLIM? Third, I was looking at > the chart > and it looks like a poorly formed double bottom or maybe a 9 week > cup with a > poor 4 week handle with low vol. Any CANSLIM thoughts? > > Norman Boyd > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base Date: 19 May 2001 08:30:50 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C0E03E.02C56920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did I miss something? Who is it? Norm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:55 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base Saw this one in reviewing the DGO List - 98/97/B/B/A/B - went from $4 = to over $8 in three weeks. Heavy volume. This pattern is relatively = common among the small and microcap stocks. Very difficult to find a = correct entry without tying up capital for an indefinite time period. In = this case, it started with a 24% price spike on volume 4/27. Because of = the price of these type stocks, you typically have little if any = institutional support, and usually no analysts following it. And far too = often, these price spikes are triggered by some unknown firm or = newsletter hyping the stock. So, unless you are "in the loop", you don't = get any warning to buy. Still, sometimes they have very good CANSLIM = qualities and are just waiting to be discovered. These patterns, regardless of price but especially when the price is = so low, are for the patient investor willing to take extra risks. There is usually a reason why a stock can base for so long. Sometimes = it is lack of "visibility", or the lack of experience of management in = dealing with the investment community (e.g. analysts, newsletter = writers, market makers, etc). Those problems can eventually be cured = when earnings and sales are growing like this one. But it can also be = because the stock is being manipulated, or is only worth that much. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C0E03E.02C56920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did I miss something?  Who is it?
 
Norm
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 = 7:55=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Flatline = Base

Saw this one in reviewing the DGO List - = 98/97/B/B/A/B -=20 went from $4 to over $8 in three weeks. Heavy volume. This pattern is=20 relatively common among the small and microcap stocks. Very difficult = to find=20 a correct entry without tying up capital for an indefinite time = period. In=20 this case, it started with a 24% price spike on volume 4/27. Because = of the=20 price of these type stocks, you typically have little if any = institutional=20 support, and usually no analysts following it. And far too often, = these price=20 spikes are triggered by some unknown firm or newsletter hyping the = stock. So,=20 unless you are "in the loop", you don't get any warning to buy. Still, = sometimes they have very good CANSLIM qualities and are just waiting = to be=20 discovered.
 
These patterns, regardless of price but especially = when the=20 price is so low, are for the patient investor willing to take extra=20 risks.
 
There is usually a reason why a stock can base for = so long.=20 Sometimes it is lack of "visibility", or the lack of experience of = management=20 in dealing with the investment community (e.g. analysts, newsletter = writers,=20 market makers, etc). Those problems can eventually be cured when = earnings and=20 sales are growing like this one. But it can also be because the stock = is being=20 manipulated, or is only worth that much.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C0E03E.02C56920-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM Date: 19 May 2001 11:17:04 CDT Their moving away from Mainframes as their biggest source of revenue in t= he hardware area and concentrating more on client/server. = New copper technology chips which break one performance benchmark after t= he other for ERP systems. = Just bought Informix, which increased their customer base significantly i= n the DB arena. = The new "AIX" version which will be practically Linux which will run on platforms currently dominated by Windows 2000, NT. A big push into the E-Business application hardware and software. (Rememb= er the adds? "This when you realize you are so ready for IBM"). = A new CEO. I think IBM sattisfy N. - Fanus Kent Norman wrote: The N is for NEW, what is new with Big Blue? regards Kent Norman --- Norman wrote: > This one isn't on my short list but I have a few > questions. First, can it > properly be classified as a computer maker as IBD > does? I don't know all > the sources of their income but it seems they should > be something like > Computer - Diversified. Second, if they have > significant revenue from > sources that can be categorized as being in a more > favorable industry (A or > B) does this make it a partial CANSLIM? Third, I > was looking at the chart > and it looks like a poorly formed double bottom or > maybe a 9 week cup with a > poor 4 week handle with low vol. Any CANSLIM > thoughts? > = > Norman Boyd > = > = > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM Date: 19 May 2001 13:06:19 -0400 and WON places great importance on a new CEO, vs any other officer position, as the new ones tend to give companies new life, and are not wedded to the old way of doing things. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 12:17 PM Their moving away from Mainframes as their biggest source of revenue in the hardware area and concentrating more on client/server. New copper technology chips which break one performance benchmark after the other for ERP systems. Just bought Informix, which increased their customer base significantly in the DB arena. The new "AIX" version which will be practically Linux which will run on platforms currently dominated by Windows 2000, NT. A big push into the E-Business application hardware and software. (Remember the adds? "This when you realize you are so ready for IBM"). A new CEO. I think IBM sattisfy N. - Fanus Kent Norman wrote: The N is for NEW, what is new with Big Blue? regards Kent Norman --- Norman wrote: > This one isn't on my short list but I have a few > questions. First, can it > properly be classified as a computer maker as IBD > does? I don't know all > the sources of their income but it seems they should > be something like > Computer - Diversified. Second, if they have > significant revenue from > sources that can be categorized as being in a more > favorable industry (A or > B) does this make it a partial CANSLIM? Third, I > was looking at the chart > and it looks like a poorly formed double bottom or > maybe a 9 week cup with a > poor 4 week handle with low vol. Any CANSLIM > thoughts? > > Norman Boyd > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________________ ___ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base Date: 19 May 2001 13:09:14 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0E064.E76E70A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, had a brain fart, the symbol is MDCI Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base Did I miss something? Who is it? Norm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:55 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base Saw this one in reviewing the DGO List - 98/97/B/B/A/B - went from = $4 to over $8 in three weeks. Heavy volume. This pattern is relatively = common among the small and microcap stocks. Very difficult to find a = correct entry without tying up capital for an indefinite time period. In = this case, it started with a 24% price spike on volume 4/27. Because of = the price of these type stocks, you typically have little if any = institutional support, and usually no analysts following it. And far too = often, these price spikes are triggered by some unknown firm or = newsletter hyping the stock. So, unless you are "in the loop", you don't = get any warning to buy. Still, sometimes they have very good CANSLIM = qualities and are just waiting to be discovered. These patterns, regardless of price but especially when the price is = so low, are for the patient investor willing to take extra risks. There is usually a reason why a stock can base for so long. = Sometimes it is lack of "visibility", or the lack of experience of = management in dealing with the investment community (e.g. analysts, = newsletter writers, market makers, etc). Those problems can eventually = be cured when earnings and sales are growing like this one. But it can = also be because the stock is being manipulated, or is only worth that = much. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0E064.E76E70A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, had a brain fart, the symbol is = MDCI
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 = 9:30=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flatline = Base

Did I miss something?  Who is it?
 
Norm
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM=20
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 = 7:55=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Flatline = Base

Saw this one in reviewing the DGO List - = 98/97/B/B/A/B -=20 went from $4 to over $8 in three weeks. Heavy volume. This pattern = is=20 relatively common among the small and microcap stocks. Very = difficult to=20 find a correct entry without tying up capital for an indefinite time = period.=20 In this case, it started with a 24% price spike on volume 4/27. = Because of=20 the price of these type stocks, you typically have little if any=20 institutional support, and usually no analysts following it. And far = too=20 often, these price spikes are triggered by some unknown firm or = newsletter=20 hyping the stock. So, unless you are "in the loop", you don't get = any=20 warning to buy. Still, sometimes they have very good CANSLIM = qualities and=20 are just waiting to be discovered.
 
These patterns, regardless of price but = especially when=20 the price is so low, are for the patient investor willing to take = extra=20 risks.
 
There is usually a reason why a stock can base = for so=20 long. Sometimes it is lack of "visibility", or the lack of = experience of=20 management in dealing with the investment community (e.g. analysts,=20 newsletter writers, market makers, etc). Those problems can = eventually be=20 cured when earnings and sales are growing like this one. But it can = also be=20 because the stock is being manipulated, or is only worth that=20 much.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0E064.E76E70A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base Date: 19 May 2001 12:04:36 -0600 --=====================_51785991==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tom MDCI is an excellent example of a flatline base. I realize you pointed it out primarily for the base qualities and not canslim qualities. I asked myself if I ran across this stock in my scans prior to it's breakout on 04/27 and it passed my minimum criteria, (rev. for last two quarters would have had to have been greater than 15% - that's in addition to all the other canslim criteria I would like at...in this case everything else looks good) would I have been inclined to buy it. Yes. Between late January and the b/o on 04/27 there were 12 vol spikes above adv, some 2x or more above adv, with increase in price. During same period there were 5 vol spikes above adv with decrease in price. And those vol spikes on down days were mostly less than the vol spikes on up days. At 01:09 PM 5/19/01 -0400, you wrote: >Sorry, had a brain fart, the symbol is MDCI > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Norman >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 9:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base >> >>Did I miss something? Who is it? >> >>Norm >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Tom Worley >>>To: CANSLIM >>>Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:55 AM >>>Subject: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base >>> >>>Saw this one in reviewing the DGO List - 98/97/B/B/A/B - went from $4 to >>>over $8 in three weeks. Heavy volume. This pattern is relatively common >>>among the small and microcap stocks. Very difficult to find a correct >>>entry without tying up capital for an indefinite time period. In this >>>case, it started with a 24% price spike on volume 4/27. Because of the >>>price of these type stocks, you typically have little if any >>>institutional support, and usually no analysts following it. And far too >>>often, these price spikes are triggered by some unknown firm or >>>newsletter hyping the stock. So, unless you are "in the loop", you don't >>>get any warning to buy. Still, sometimes they have very good CANSLIM >>>qualities and are just waiting to be discovered. >>> >>>These patterns, regardless of price but especially when the price is so >>>low, are for the patient investor willing to take extra risks. >>> >>>There is usually a reason why a stock can base for so long. Sometimes it >>>is lack of "visibility", or the lack of experience of management in >>>dealing with the investment community (e.g. analysts, newsletter >>>writers, market makers, etc). Those problems can eventually be cured >>>when earnings and sales are growing like this one. But it can also be >>>because the stock is being manipulated, or is only worth that much. >>> >>>Tom Worley >>>stkguru@netside.net >>> >>> --=====================_51785991==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Tom

MDCI is an excellent example of a flatline base. I realize you pointed
it out primarily for the base qualities and not canslim qualities.
I asked myself if I ran across this stock in my scans prior to it's breakout
on 04/27 and it passed my minimum criteria, (rev. for last two quarters would
have had to have been greater than 15% - that's in addition to all the other
canslim criteria I would like at...in this case everything else looks good) would
I have been inclined to buy it.
Yes. Between late January and the b/o on 04/27 there were 12 vol spikes above
adv, some 2x or more above adv,  with increase in price. During same period there
were 5 vol spikes above adv with decrease in price. And those vol spikes on down
days were mostly less than the vol spikes on up days.


At 01:09 PM 5/19/01 -0400, you wrote:
Sorry, had a brain fart, the symbol is MDCI
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base

Did I miss something?  Who is it?
 
Norm
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:55 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base

Saw this one in reviewing the DGO List - 98/97/B/B/A/B - went from $4 to over $8 in three weeks. Heavy volume. This pattern is relatively common among the small and microcap stocks. Very difficult to find a correct entry without tying up capital for an indefinite time period. In this case, it started with a 24% price spike on volume 4/27. Because of the price of these type stocks, you typically have little if any institutional support, and usually no analysts following it. And far too often, these price spikes are triggered by some unknown firm or newsletter hyping the stock. So, unless you are "in the loop", you don't get any warning to buy. Still, sometimes they have very good CANSLIM qualities and are just waiting to be discovered.
 
These patterns, regardless of price but especially when the price is so low, are for the patient investor willing to take extra risks.
 
There is usually a reason why a stock can base for so long. Sometimes it is lack of "visibility", or the lack of experience of management in dealing with the investment community (e.g. analysts, newsletter writers, market makers, etc). Those problems can eventually be cured when earnings and sales are growing like this one. But it can also be because the stock is being manipulated, or is only worth that much.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
--=====================_51785991==_.ALT-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM Date: 19 May 2001 13:18:14 -0700 (PDT) I apologize. All of you are correct. I was biased against anything from the Elvis era. I will now open my eyes. Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > and WON places great importance on a new CEO, vs any > other > officer position, as the new ones tend to give > companies new > life, and are not wedded to the old way of doing > things. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fanus > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM > > > Their moving away from Mainframes as their biggest > source of > revenue in the > hardware area and concentrating more on > client/server. > New copper technology chips which break one > performance benchmark > after the > other for ERP systems. > Just bought Informix, which increased their customer > base > significantly in the > DB arena. > The new "AIX" version which will be practically > Linux which will > run on > platforms currently dominated by Windows 2000, NT. > A big push into the E-Business application hardware > and software. > (Remember > the adds? "This when you realize you are so ready > for IBM"). > A new CEO. > > I think IBM sattisfy N. > > - Fanus > > Kent Norman wrote: > The N is for NEW, what is new with Big Blue? > > regards > Kent Norman > > --- Norman wrote: > > This one isn't on my short list but I have a few > > questions. First, can it > > properly be classified as a computer maker as IBD > > does? I don't know all > > the sources of their income but it seems they > should > > be something like > > Computer - Diversified. Second, if they have > > significant revenue from > > sources that can be categorized as being in a more > > favorable industry (A or > > B) does this make it a partial CANSLIM? Third, I > > was looking at the chart > > and it looks like a poorly formed double bottom or > > maybe a 9 week cup with a > > poor 4 week handle with low vol. Any CANSLIM > > thoughts? > > > > Norman Boyd > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > ___ > Get free email and a permanent address at > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM Date: 19 May 2001 15:34:55 CDT No need to apologize. This is the great thing about thist list. Others s= ee things you don't and visa versa. - Fanus Kent Norman wrote: I apologize. All of you are correct. I was biased against anything from the Elvis era. I will now open my eyes. Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > and WON places great importance on a new CEO, vs any > other > officer position, as the new ones tend to give > companies new > life, and are not wedded to the old way of doing > things. > = > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > = > = > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fanus > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM > = > = > Their moving away from Mainframes as their biggest > source of > revenue in the > hardware area and concentrating more on > client/server. > New copper technology chips which break one > performance benchmark > after the > other for ERP systems. > Just bought Informix, which increased their customer > base > significantly in the > DB arena. > The new "AIX" version which will be practically > Linux which will > run on > platforms currently dominated by Windows 2000, NT. > A big push into the E-Business application hardware > and software. > (Remember > the adds? "This when you realize you are so ready > for IBM"). > A new CEO. > = > I think IBM sattisfy N. > = > - Fanus > = > Kent Norman wrote: > The N is for NEW, what is new with Big Blue? > = > regards > Kent Norman > = > --- Norman wrote: > > This one isn't on my short list but I have a few > > questions. First, can it > > properly be classified as a computer maker as IBD > > does? I don't know all > > the sources of their income but it seems they > should > > be something like > > Computer - Diversified. Second, if they have > > significant revenue from > > sources that can be categorized as being in a more > > favorable industry (A or > > B) does this make it a partial CANSLIM? Third, I > > was looking at the chart > > and it looks like a poorly formed double bottom or > > maybe a 9 week cup with a > > poor 4 week handle with low vol. Any CANSLIM > > thoughts? > > > > Norman Boyd > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > = > = > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > = > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > = > = > _________________________________________________________________ > ___ > Get free email and a permanent address at > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D1 > = > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > = > = > = > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List Date: 19 May 2001 18:19:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0E090.50FC5340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Total list this Friday at 279, up from 253. Prior weeks it totaled 264 = and 245. It consists of those stocks in the Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) = that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or better. Additionally, = they must have been at or within 5% of the 12 month high during the = prior week. In my review of this overall list, I am only focusing on the = recent chart patterns.=20 This review of the overall list is solely intended to identify stocks = with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, that are = showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal bias against certain industries is largely ignored in the = review. As always, my shorthand notation is Bx where "B" means a "B"ase of "x" = weeks, IMO.=20 LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right =20 SKX - volatile B3 after an unfilled gap up NVR - LLUR MTH - B2 NYCB - B3 AEOS - B2, ragged c&h, weak double bottom? FCFS - B3 PNM - B3 RJR - B3 UCBH - B3 handle on a cup, volume declining PLB - B3 handle on a very shallow cup, at the pivot on declining vol SJT - B4 SYMC - B3, trying to break higher but on light vol DCOM - B3 FIC - B2 EFDS - looks like a young LLUR, with the entry at or close to the 50 = DMA, earnings estimate this year 153% and 41% next year SVRN - B2+ FNFG - B2 FRED - B3+ FLM - B4 MAXS - B2+ CORS - B7 URS - B3 RBNC - B2+, vol below ADV ATK - B3+, wedging down, vol past week mostly below avg DNB - B4 PTV - B3 handle on cup, tried to break the pivot ACAI - B6 FHCC - B3 LLL - double bottom BCF - B3, vol down ICBC - LUR BBX - B3 FFIC OMI - B3+ ZQK - B3 BANR - B2 MTB - B5, lots of insider selling NAUT - B3 Lots of stocks didn't make the list because they were already way = extended. Gains of 20-30% in the past month were common. Several cups = nicely formed just shot right on by the right rim without even = considering the need for a handle. Saw a number of gap ups that were not = filled thus far. Conclusion: there is a considerable need for some = consolidation of the best performing stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0E090.50FC5340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Total list this Friday at 279, up from 253. Prior = weeks it=20 totaled 264 and 245.
 
It consists of those = stocks in the=20 Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) that as of Friday had both RS and EPS = of 80=20 or better.  Additionally, they must have been at or within 5% of = the 12=20 month high during the prior week. In my review of this overall list, I = am only=20 focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20
 
This review of the overall list is solely intended = to identify=20 stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, = that are=20 showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present=20 some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a=20 "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own personal bias = against=20 certain industries is largely ignored in the=20 review.
 
As always, my shorthand notation is = Bx where "B"=20 means a "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO.
LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper=20 Right
 
SKX - volatile B3 after an unfilled gap = up
NVR - LLUR
MTH - B2
NYCB - B3
AEOS - B2, ragged c&h, weak double = bottom?
FCFS - B3
PNM - B3
RJR - B3
UCBH - B3 handle on a cup, volume = declining
PLB - B3 handle on a very shallow cup, at the pivot = on=20 declining vol
SJT - B4
SYMC - B3, trying to break higher but on light=20 vol
DCOM - B3
FIC - B2
EFDS - looks like a young LLUR, with the entry at or = close to=20 the 50 DMA, earnings estimate this year 153% and 41% next = year
SVRN - B2+
FNFG - B2
FRED - B3+
FLM - B4
MAXS - B2+
CORS - B7
URS - B3
RBNC - B2+, vol below ADV
ATK - B3+, wedging down, vol past week mostly below=20 avg
DNB - B4
PTV - B3 handle on cup, tried to break the = pivot
ACAI - B6
FHCC - B3
LLL - double bottom
BCF - B3, vol down
ICBC - LUR
BBX - B3
FFIC
OMI - B3+
ZQK - B3
BANR - B2
MTB - B5, lots of insider selling
NAUT - B3
 
Lots of stocks didn't make the list because they = were already=20 way extended. Gains of 20-30% in the past month were common. Several = cups nicely=20 formed just shot right on by the right rim without even considering the = need for=20 a handle. Saw a number of gap ups that were not filled thus far. = Conclusion:=20 there is a considerable need for some consolidation of the best = performing=20 stocks.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0E090.50FC5340-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base Date: 19 May 2001 17:10:37 -0600 Another stock currently in a flat base is LNCR, which I think was mentioned here a couple months ago. It's traded in a 10 point range for about 3 months. On 19 May 01, at 13:09, Tom Worley wrote: > Sorry, had a brain fart, the symbol is MDCI > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base > > > Did I miss something? Who is it? > > Norm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: CANSLIM > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:55 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Flatline Base > > > Saw this one in reviewing the DGO List - 98/97/B/B/A/B - went from $4 to over $8 in three weeks. Heavy volume. This pattern is relatively common among the small and microcap stocks. Very difficult to find a correct entry without tying up capital for an indefinite time period. In this case, it started with a 24% price spike on volume 4/27. Because of the price of these type stocks, you typically have little if any institutional support, and usually no analysts following it. And far too often, these price spikes are triggered by some unknown firm or newsletter hyping the stock. So, unless you are "in the loop", you don't get any warning to buy. Still, sometimes they have very good CANSLIM qualities and are just waiting to be discovered. > > These patterns, regardless of price but especially when the price is so low, are for the patient investor willing to take extra risks. > > There is usually a reason why a stock can base for so long. Sometimes it is lack of "visibility", or the lack of experience of management in dealing with the investment community (e.g. analysts, newsletter writers, market makers, etc). Those problems can eventually be cured when earnings and sales are growing like this one. But it can also be because the stock is being manipulated, or is only worth that much. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: [CANSLIM] Big Picture/index Date: 19 May 2001 20:21:36 -0400 Can someone please explain the meaning of this quote from the Big Picture (Monday's): That sort of action often sets the final stage before a leading stock kicks off a major advance. The same holds true for the market averages. The difference is in the timing. The best moment to buy a quality stock is just as it breaks out of a cup-with-handle base. In the case of a broad index, the buy signal usually occurs within four to seven days off the bottom, as it did April 10 for the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P. Think of the market cup-with-handle as a bullish exclamation to the new uptrend. Why 4-7 days?? Thanks ahead of time, Ann - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM Date: 19 May 2001 19:47:02 -0500 No harm done Kent. I enjoy your input. Keep up the good posting. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 3:18 PM > I apologize. > > All of you are correct. > > I was biased against anything from the Elvis era. > > I will now open my eyes. > > Kent Norman > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > and WON places great importance on a new CEO, vs any > > other > > officer position, as the new ones tend to give > > companies new > > life, and are not wedded to the old way of doing > > things. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Fanus > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 12:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBM > > > > > > Their moving away from Mainframes as their biggest > > source of > > revenue in the > > hardware area and concentrating more on > > client/server. > > New copper technology chips which break one > > performance benchmark > > after the > > other for ERP systems. > > Just bought Informix, which increased their customer > > base > > significantly in the > > DB arena. > > The new "AIX" version which will be practically > > Linux which will > > run on > > platforms currently dominated by Windows 2000, NT. > > A big push into the E-Business application hardware > > and software. > > (Remember > > the adds? "This when you realize you are so ready > > for IBM"). > > A new CEO. > > > > I think IBM sattisfy N. > > > > - Fanus > > > > Kent Norman wrote: > > The N is for NEW, what is new with Big Blue? > > > > regards > > Kent Norman > > > > --- Norman wrote: > > > This one isn't on my short list but I have a few > > > questions. First, can it > > > properly be classified as a computer maker as IBD > > > does? I don't know all > > > the sources of their income but it seems they > > should > > > be something like > > > Computer - Diversified. Second, if they have > > > significant revenue from > > > sources that can be categorized as being in a more > > > favorable industry (A or > > > B) does this make it a partial CANSLIM? Third, I > > > was looking at the chart > > > and it looks like a poorly formed double bottom or > > > maybe a 9 week cup with a > > > poor 4 week handle with low vol. Any CANSLIM > > > thoughts? > > > > > > Norman Boyd > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > ___ > > Get free email and a permanent address at > > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Big Picture/index Date: 19 May 2001 19:54:47 -0500 Hello Ann, This just says that the c&h is a further confirmation of the rally that began on April 10. I think the 4-7 days refers to the confirmation of a new rally (April 10) not the breakout from the handle. The c&h is then described as "a bullish exclamation to the new uptrend." Was that what you were asking about Ann? Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:21 PM > Can someone please explain the meaning of this quote from the Big Picture > (Monday's): > > That sort of action often sets the final stage before a leading stock kicks > off a major advance. The same holds true for the market averages. The > difference is in the timing. The best moment to buy a quality stock is just > as it breaks out of a cup-with-handle base. > In the case of a broad index, the buy signal usually occurs within four to > seven days off the bottom, as it did April 10 for the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P. > Think of the market cup-with-handle as a bullish exclamation to the new > uptrend. > > Why 4-7 days?? > > Thanks ahead of time, > > Ann > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Big Picture/index Date: 19 May 2001 21:06:56 -0400 Thank you, Norm. That "4-7 days" rang a bell, and you have explained why. Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 8:54 PM > Hello Ann, > > This just says that the c&h is a further confirmation of the rally that > began on April 10. I think the 4-7 days refers to the confirmation of a new > rally (April 10) not the breakout from the handle. The c&h is then > described as "a bullish exclamation to the new uptrend." Was that what you > were asking about Ann? > > Norm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Hollingworth" > To: "CANSLIM Listserv" > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:21 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Big Picture/index > > > > Can someone please explain the meaning of this quote from the Big Picture > > (Monday's): > > > > That sort of action often sets the final stage before a leading stock > kicks > > off a major advance. The same holds true for the market averages. The > > difference is in the timing. The best moment to buy a quality stock is > just > > as it breaks out of a cup-with-handle base. > > In the case of a broad index, the buy signal usually occurs within four to > > seven days off the bottom, as it did April 10 for the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P. > > Think of the market cup-with-handle as a bullish exclamation to the new > > uptrend. > > > > Why 4-7 days?? > > > > Thanks ahead of time, > > > > Ann > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: [CANSLIM] DFXI - Direct Focus Date: 20 May 2001 10:16:16 -0700 (PDT) This one forming a nice sloping handle on decreasing volume on the right side of the cup that began in early February. I like everything except the industry group and the indication on the graph that there has been a lot of insider selling. Comments please. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Carr" Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT B/O Date: 20 May 2001 12:49:46 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0E12B.5981DC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Was thinking of jumping in in the morning since closed Friday still = within reach. Any significant concern that it isn't extended given that = volume appeared to be an all time high? Saw a little talk about this = during the day Friday, just wondering how folks felt now with the whole = picture. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0E12B.5981DC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Was thinking of jumping in in the = morning since=20 closed Friday still within reach.  Any significant concern that it = isn't=20 extended given that volume appeared to be an all time high?  Saw a = little=20 talk about this during the day Friday, just wondering how folks felt now = with=20 the whole picture.
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C0E12B.5981DC60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI - Direct Focus Date: 20 May 2001 12:59:54 -0500 Steve, Looks decent except, as you stated, the industry group is ranked #121. I don't think much of the way IBD has it grouped. The company ranked just above it is OO, which sells sunglasses while DFXI is into exercise equipment. I really don't see these 2 competing or even in the same market. So the GRS is not as useful IMO. 55 mutual funds own 6% of the 23.5 mil outstanding shares (morningstar.com). Float is about 18.5 mil and insiders own about 21% of that (lionshares.com). It is listed in this weeks Weekend Review in the print edition of IBD. I think the GRS will keep it off most HGS lists. The weekly chart looks more like a double bottom. I don't see much capitulation in the cup you point out. There looks to have been more capitulation in the previous 'cup' or first dip in the db if it is viewed that way. Either way, except for the sloppy handle looks like a fair chart to me. It makes my long watch list but I don't know about the short one; not a very exciting industry . Plus there are more compelling stocks out there which are still w/in reach such as IGT or are also finishing good bases. Maybe someone has some insight on the fundies. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 12:16 PM > This one forming a nice sloping handle on decreasing > volume on the right side of the cup that began in > early February. I like everything except the > industry group and the indication on the graph that > there has been a lot of insider selling. > > Comments please. > > Steve > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT B/O Date: 20 May 2001 13:05:22 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0E12D.875D23E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, I was thinking the same thing. I don't think it is too far gone for me = and I like the volume. I just don't have any cash left :-( =20 My only worry is that there may be some profit takers out Monday and I = might have to wait before being in the black with it. Good luck if you jump in! Norm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Carr=20 To: canslim=20 Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT B/O Was thinking of jumping in in the morning since closed Friday still = within reach. Any significant concern that it isn't extended given that = volume appeared to be an all time high? Saw a little talk about this = during the day Friday, just wondering how folks felt now with the whole = picture. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0E12D.875D23E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim,
 
I was thinking the same thing.  I don't think it is too far = gone for=20 me and I like the volume.  I just don't have any cash left = :-( 
 
My only worry is that there may be some profit takers out Monday = and I=20 might have to wait before being in the black with it.
 
Good luck if you jump in!
 
Norm
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jim Carr =
To: canslim
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 = 12:49 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT = B/O

Was thinking of jumping in in the = morning since=20 closed Friday still within reach.  Any significant concern that = it isn't=20 extended given that volume appeared to be an all time high?  Saw = a little=20 talk about this during the day Friday, just wondering how folks felt = now with=20 the whole picture.
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0E12D.875D23E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: [CANSLIM] RJR Chart Date: 20 May 2001 14:09:46 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0E136.8619DF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What's the advice on 3-4 bases a year as in the case of RJR? Is it too = many. Do the breakouts tend to get weaker? Dan F ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0E136.8619DF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What's the advice on 3-4 bases a year as in the case = of RJR?=20 Is it too many. Do the breakouts tend to get weaker?
 
Dan F
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mix, with most of its sales coming from bowflex), when sales of this product
slows the stock could turn fast. Could still have a good run, I would
personally just keep a close eye on it if I owned the stock.

JMO  Chris. --part1_24.13ca59f5.2839664d_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Big Picture/index Date: 20 May 2001 20:51:10 EDT Ann: Four to 7 days is what WON uses to determine follow-throughs. What he is saying, I believe, is that: With leading stocks the BO is when the pivot point is pierced (ie. above the right lip of the cup, following the handle on low volume. However, you want to invest in the leading stocks (those breaking out) only when the market is in your favor (about 75% of stocks-no matter how strong-follow the market's trend). Therefore, one must look at the BO of leading stocks AND one must keep in mind the trend of the market. And a trend up in the market index is more probable when there is a follow through-which is 4 to 7 days after the bottom has been hit. (See the P. 78 graphic in WON's new book, 24 Essential Lessons). jans In a message dated 5/19/2001 8:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, annholly@mediaone.net writes: << Can someone please explain the meaning of this quote from the Big Picture (Monday's): That sort of action often sets the final stage before a leading stock kicks off a major advance. The same holds true for the market averages. The difference is in the timing. The best moment to buy a quality stock is just as it breaks out of a cup-with-handle base. In the case of a broad index, the buy signal usually occurs within four to seven days off the bottom, as it did April 10 for the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P. Think of the market cup-with-handle as a bullish exclamation to the new uptrend. Why 4-7 days?? Thanks ahead of time, Ann >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: [CANSLIM] EVG Date: 20 May 2001 23:51:56 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0E187.DA7AF660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any thoughts on EVG as my buy selection for the a.m.? Gene ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C0E187.DA7AF660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any thoughts on EVG as my buy = selection for the=20 a.m.?
Gene
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  Dan(Fanus)

 Sorry for the delay in = responding.We where=20 discussing CNTL.I use Datek.

 I = tried to get=20 CNTL on Wednesday  at 9:41AM at breakout. . The stock broke = through the=20 pivot price and I put in a limit order to buy at 3% above breakout.=20 Afterwards, I used wallstreetcity.com to analyse the trading in 90 = second=20 segments. I had a tiny window of opportunity to get in at my price. = CNTL=20 jumped straight from 18.75 to 19.45 with no trading in between,I = considered=20 $19.25 was breakout. Within 45 seconds it got to 19.80, a minute later = it was=20 trading at  20.40.Wanted it at no more than 19.82. =
I=20 have experienced this a few times already. The stock price easily = jumps 4-5%=20 within minutes.
I used to put a market order in when I saw a = breakout but=20 I found that I was paying too much. Now that I put a 3% limit above = breakout,=20 I sometimes fail to get in.=20

I was wondering if there is a faster way to e-trade than with the = Datek=20 account I am using. Even 30 seconds faster could make a big = difference.=20

At present , I watch the streamer and put in the order = fast as I=20 can. But it is not fast enough. Or I am not.

Danny
 
 
 
 =20

----- Original Message -----=20 From:=20 Dan

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 = 5:14=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot=20 Point
 Curiously, what date did you attempt to get in = CNTL?=20

dannygottlieb wrote:=20

Fanus, the question was in fact = not mine=20 but that of a friend who asked me to send it just as you read it. = His=20 difficulty is in managing to get in, at not more than 3% above the = pivot,=20 or getting left out altogether. This is also what happened to me = with=20 CNTL.We both dislike the idea of getting in early, or not at = all.Perhaps=20 this was a rhetorical question as I do not see any good solution = when a=20 stock breaks as fast as did CNTL.=20
----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Fanus
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Thursday, May 17, = 2001 9:14=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Pivot=20 Point
 I am not sure I understand the question? You = put a buy=20 order in with your broker when the stock cross the pivot point = on above=20 average volume. This is how you get in.=20 --------------------------------------------- "Daniel=20 Gottlieb" wrote: Can I please have = some=20 advice on how to get in at the pivot point Get Your Private, = Free E-mail=20 from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. =
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Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com = -=20 -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In = the email=20 body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do = not use=20 quotes in your email.
- -To = subscribe/unsubscribe,=20 email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe = canslim"=20 or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your=20 email. ------=_NextPart_000_0331_01C0E1EF.8A9185C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EVG Date: 21 May 2001 07:07:45 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0E1C4.BC750880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gene, I see no compelling reason to buy it on Monday. Volume last two days was = only average. Best buy point was back at 45, that would make it pretty = extended here, with no base established. It may resume its upward = journey today, or may get hit with more profit taking, I have no clue = which. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] EVG Any thoughts on EVG as my buy selection for the a.m.? Gene ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C0E1C4.BC750880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gene,
 
I see no compelling reason to buy it on Monday. = Volume last=20 two days was only average. Best buy point was back at 45, that would = make it=20 pretty extended here, with no base established. It may resume its upward = journey=20 today, or may get hit with more profit taking, I have no clue=20 which.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 = 12:51 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] EVG

Any thoughts on EVG as my buy = selection for=20 the a.m.?
Gene
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Hi all:
 
Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little = CANLSIM company=20 (94 96 B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of volume out of = the=20 blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the trigger for a good = breakout=20 here is around $19.70.
 
Opinions?
 
Ian
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C0E1D4.8DEA41F0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot of attention Date: 21 May 2001 11:03:08 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0E1E5.9E411680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see no definable low risk entry at this time. The stock broke out of a = base at 12 back in January and is now more of an LLUR pick than a = CANSLIM base breakout candidate. If it rallied to its highs and = consolidated for a day or two you would then have a 4 week base to buy = from and thus a definable risk entry point per CS. I have no problem = buying 4 week bases but I believe WON prefers at least 6 weeks. Lastly, = the stock is very thin and that adds to the risk. I generally won't = touch anything that can't trade 150000 shares consistently. DSquires ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting a = lot of attention Hi all: Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little CANLSIM company (94 96 = B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of volume out of the = blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the trigger for a good = breakout here is around $19.70. Opinions? Ian ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0E1E5.9E411680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I see no definable low risk entry at this time. = The stock=20 broke out of a base at 12 back in January and is now more of an LLUR = pick than a=20 CANSLIM base breakout candidate. If it rallied to its highs and = consolidated for=20 a day or two you would then have a 4 week base to buy from and thus a = definable=20 risk entry point per CS. I have no problem buying 4 week bases but I = believe WON=20 prefers at least 6 weeks. Lastly, the stock is very thin and that adds = to the=20 risk. I generally won't touch anything that can't trade 150000 shares=20 consistently.
 
DSquires
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian =
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 = 11:00 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] ATRO - = Wonderful=20 little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot of attention

Hi all:
 
Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little = CANLSIM=20 company (94 96 B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of = volume out=20 of the blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the trigger = for a good=20 breakout here is around $19.70.
 
Opinions?
 
Ian
 
=
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C0E1E5.9E411680-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot of attention Date: 21 May 2001 10:40:00 -0600 I'm becoming more familiar charts that look like this - make a new high, then consolidate in a sort of flag like formation on lower volume, so I guess I'd agree it looks acceptable. I think another way to pick a buy price would be drawing a trendline across the lower highs, and figure if it could break above that trendline on good volume, that could be a good entry point. That would be a buy price of around 18.50 or so. ATRO also formed a nice flag in early April that ended when it spiked up on 4/17, that buy method would have worked nicely there. (I hope this isn't deviating too far from CANSLIM orthodoxy.) On 21 May 01, at 9:00, Ian wrote: > Hi all: > > Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little CANLSIM company (94 96 B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of volume out of the blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the trigger for a good breakout here is around $19.70. > > Opinions? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot of attention Date: 21 May 2001 10:40:00 -0600 I'm becoming more familiar charts that look like this - make a new high, then consolidate in a sort of flag like formation on lower volume, so I guess I'd agree it looks acceptable. I think another way to pick a buy price would be drawing a trendline across the lower highs, and figure if it could break above that trendline on good volume, that could be a good entry point. That would be a buy price of around 18.50 or so. ATRO also formed a nice flag in early April that ended when it spiked up on 4/17, that buy method would have worked nicely there. (I hope this isn't deviating too far from CANSLIM orthodoxy.) On 21 May 01, at 9:00, Ian wrote: > Hi all: > > Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little CANLSIM company (94 96 B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of volume out of the blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the trigger for a good breakout here is around $19.70. > > Opinions? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap Date: 21 May 2001 11:17:17 -0700 Let me preface this by saying there is a lot better out there. Vol on this one is way to thin, for one thing. That aside, this is a beautiful LLUR. Entry was this AM at about 18.50. You could not have caught it any sooner as it bounced off the 50 dma on Friday and this is the confirmation of that bounce. This is as good as you are going to get with an LLUR; I know it seems like a high risk entry but believe me LLURs are much less risky that C&H's, IMHO. On 09:40 AM 5/21/01, Patrick Wahl Said: >I'm becoming more familiar charts that look like this - make a new >high, then consolidate in a sort of flag like formation on lower >volume, so I guess I'd agree it looks acceptable. I think another >way to pick a buy price would be drawing a trendline across the >lower highs, and figure if it could break above that trendline on good >volume, that could be a good entry point. That would be a buy >price of around 18.50 or so. ATRO also formed a nice flag in early >April that ended when it spiked up on 4/17, that buy method would >have worked nicely there. (I hope this isn't deviating too far from >CANSLIM orthodoxy.) > >On 21 May 01, at 9:00, Ian wrote: > > > Hi all: > > > > Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little CANLSIM company > (94 96 B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of volume >out of the blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the >trigger for a good breakout here is around $19.70. > > > > Opinions? > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot Date: 21 May 2001 13:29:19 -0500 Tim, hate to be so bold but would appreciate your short list of: >>>>Let me preface this by saying there is a lot better out there.<<<< Thanks, Gene - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] HGS List Date: 21 May 2001 11:43:24 -0700 --=====================_351963365==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Attached (hopefully). A couple stocks I hold are eating into the builders' lead. Nice change ;) --=====================_351963365==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Pubstka.csv" Stock,HGS Group,Scan Group,ERG,E,R,G,Curr G Speed,Prev G Speed,A/D,SMR,Growth,Curr Earn,Prev Earn,Curr Sales,Prev Sales,Proj Earn,Ians Box,Group,Exchange,Price,EPS Due,Date Added NVR,2,1,295,99,98,98,-1,0,B,A,73,49,107,6,23,33,3,BUILD_RES,AMEX,194.95,7/25/01,11-Aug MTH,2,1,294,97,99,98,-1,0,B,A,121,56,55,26,24,13,2,BUILD_RES,NYSE,51.84,7/27/01,13-Apr BZH,2,1,293,98,97,98,-1,0,B,B,34,88,89,12,18,30,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,61.6,7/25/01,26-Jan SHFL,1,1,293,97,99,97,0,1,A,A,40,31,69,32,43,23,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,32.45,5/22/01,12-Jan HOV,2,1,292,96,98,98,-1,0,B,C,24,147,105,14,19,32,7,BUILD_RES,NYSE,17.43,6/7/01,9-Mar TRR,,1,292,99,99,94,1,-3,A,B,110,71,73,61,65,66,2,POLUTE_SERVICE,NYSE,47.55,8/16/01,4-May LEN,2,1,291,99,94,98,-1,0,A,A,31,88,67,72,78,29,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,43.1,6/20/01,22-Sep RYL,2,1,291,98,95,98,-1,0,B,B,82,44,59,20,26,16,3,BUILD_RES,NYSE,50.22,7/25/01,20-Apr USPH,,1,290,95,99,96,-2,0,A,A,17,80,67,28,23,33,8,MED_OUTPAT,NASD,28.7,8/14/01,15-Dec IGT,1,1,289,97,95,97,0,1,A,A,20,106,113,59,46,42,7,LEIS_GAMES,NYSE,59.85,7/20/01,26-Jan WBB,2,1,289,95,96,98,-1,0,B,C,21,28,64,-14,-1,14,9,BUILD_RES,NYSE,39.69,7/25/01,27-Apr CHBS,1,1,287,98,98,91,2,3,A,A,75,56,86,50,44,21,2,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,43.66,6/14/01,5-Jan CHIC,1,1,287,97,99,91,2,3,A,A,41,40,52,35,48,33,6,RET_CLOTHES,NASD,37,7/13/01,13-Apr CPN,,1,287,99,90,98,5,2,B,A,61,329,200,422,306,66,1,ENER_OTH,NYSE,54.65,7/24/01,20-Apr HOC,2,1,287,93,99,95,-1,1,A,B,14,381,592,30,63,-,7,O&G_REFINED,AMEX,36.45,6/9/01,16-Mar PHM,2,1,287,98,91,98,-1,0,B,B,44,60,26,7,9,6,5,BUILD_RES,NYSE,44.73,7/25/01,23-Mar PVA,,1,287,95,94,98,5,2,B,A,19,88,40,63,60,32,8,ENER_OTH,NYSE,41.85,7/19/01,20-Apr RLRN,1,1,287,97,97,93,2,18,A,A,37,25,80,25,27,24,6,COMPS_EDU,NASD,44.28,7/25/01,27-Apr 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LNCR,,1,278,90,92,96,-2,0,C,A,15,16,26,20,24,23,10,MED_OUTPAT,NASD,56.5,7/18/01,6-Oct SRCL,,1,278,91,93,94,1,-3,B,B,67,32,30,10,46,28,3,POLUTE_SERVICE,NASD,43.99,8/3/01,23-Mar KMX,1,4,277,79,99,99,0,1,A,C,NA,999,333,27,15,13,7,RET_MISC,NYSE,13.76,6/16/01,11-May WGOV,,1,277,96,97,84,2,-3,A,B,22,80,79,14,13,21,8,ELEC_CONTROL,NASD,74.6,7/20/01,18-May EASI,1,1,276,97,97,82,-1,-2,C,A,25,39,72,5,64,18,6,ELEC_MILITARY,NASD,31.85,5/23/01,18-May PENN,1,1,276,91,88,97,0,1,A,A,25,25,18,102,101,26,6,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,19.4,7/25/01,4-May ALLY,1,4,275,79,99,97,0,1,A,-,NA,171,180,19,15,NA,7,LEIS_GAMES,NASD,28.99,8/16/01,9-Mar COCO,1,2,275,99,98,78,1,4,A,A,177,50,58,49,44,55,2,COMM_SCHOOL,NASD,48.1,8/30/01,18-May CTX,2,1,275,93,84,98,-1,0,B,B,30,48,8,15,15,17,6,BUILD_RES,NYSE,42.17,7/25/01,27-Apr NYCB,1,1,275,98,96,81,-1,0,A,A,22,136,50,202,99,40,7,BANK_NE,NASD,33.2,7/12/01,4-May DGX,1,1,274,99,89,86,2,9,B,B,54,90,168,3,3,40,2,MEDDEN_SERV,NYSE,129,7/24/01,18-May 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GCO,1,2,251,94,94,63,0,5,B,A,20,31,44,28,26,17,9,SHOES,NYSE,30.63,5/23/01,20-Apr QUIX,,2,250,95,94,61,-3,-1,A,A,38,28,31,13,25,21,6,DIVERSITY,NASD,27.45,8/15/01,23-Feb PCP,,2,247,94,91,62,4,4,A,B,18,36,64,14,43,17,9,AERO_DEF_EQ,NYSE,48.19,7/20/01,11-May AAS,1,2,246,90,89,67,2,-5,C,B,19,21,17,22,16,20,10,MED_WDRUG,NYSE,55.43,7/27/01,18-May --=====================_351963365==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! --=====================_351963365==_-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot of attention Date: 21 May 2001 11:57:36 -0700 Which ones are "a lot better out there"? I'm having trouble finding other good low-risk entries right now. I thought the r/r for ATRO was very good at $18.45 this morning. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:17 AM lot of attention > Let me preface this by saying there is a lot better out there. Vol on this > one is way to thin, for one thing. That aside, this is a beautiful LLUR. > Entry was this AM at about 18.50. You could not have caught it any sooner > as it bounced off the 50 dma on Friday and this is the confirmation of that > bounce. This is as good as you are going to get with an LLUR; I know it > seems like a high risk entry but believe me LLURs are much less risky that > C&H's, IMHO. > > On 09:40 AM 5/21/01, Patrick Wahl Said: > >I'm becoming more familiar charts that look like this - make a new > >high, then consolidate in a sort of flag like formation on lower > >volume, so I guess I'd agree it looks acceptable. I think another > >way to pick a buy price would be drawing a trendline across the > >lower highs, and figure if it could break above that trendline on good > >volume, that could be a good entry point. That would be a buy > >price of around 18.50 or so. ATRO also formed a nice flag in early > >April that ended when it spiked up on 4/17, that buy method would > >have worked nicely there. (I hope this isn't deviating too far from > >CANSLIM orthodoxy.) > > > >On 21 May 01, at 9:00, Ian wrote: > > > > > Hi all: > > > > > > Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little CANLSIM company > > (94 96 B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of volume > >out of the blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the > >trigger for a good breakout here is around $19.70. > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting Date: 21 May 2001 12:50:29 -0700 Just gave it to you. On 11:29 AM 5/21/01, Gene Ricci Said: >Tim, hate to be so bold but would appreciate your short list of: > > >>>>Let me preface this by saying there is a lot better out there.<<<< > >Thanks, >Gene > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap Date: 21 May 2001 12:53:47 -0700 IMO, if you are still looking for places to invest your money, you are behind the eight-ball. Wheere were you when tens of CANSLIM stocks broke out the past few weeks? Low risk LLURs like NVR are ripe for entry any time they bounce off the 50 dma. IGT was buyable this AM, and has been discussed ad nauseum on this list. Want some more? Do your own homework. There are at least 12 on my list that I would have bot today if I had the cash... On 11:57 AM 5/21/01, Ian Said: >Which ones are "a lot better out there"? I'm having trouble finding other >good low-risk entries right now. > >I thought the r/r for ATRO was very good at $18.45 this morning. > >Ian > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tim Fisher >To: >Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:17 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting a >lot of attention > > > > Let me preface this by saying there is a lot better out there. Vol on this > > one is way to thin, for one thing. That aside, this is a beautiful LLUR. > > Entry was this AM at about 18.50. You could not have caught it any sooner > > as it bounced off the 50 dma on Friday and this is the confirmation of >that > > bounce. This is as good as you are going to get with an LLUR; I know it > > seems like a high risk entry but believe me LLURs are much less risky that > > C&H's, IMHO. > > > > On 09:40 AM 5/21/01, Patrick Wahl Said: > > >I'm becoming more familiar charts that look like this - make a new > > >high, then consolidate in a sort of flag like formation on lower > > >volume, so I guess I'd agree it looks acceptable. I think another > > >way to pick a buy price would be drawing a trendline across the > > >lower highs, and figure if it could break above that trendline on good > > >volume, that could be a good entry point. That would be a buy > > >price of around 18.50 or so. ATRO also formed a nice flag in early > > >April that ended when it spiked up on 4/17, that buy method would > > >have worked nicely there. (I hope this isn't deviating too far from > > >CANSLIM orthodoxy.) > > > > > >On 21 May 01, at 9:00, Ian wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all: > > > > > > > > Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little CANLSIM company > > > (94 96 B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of volume > > >out of the blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the > > >trigger for a good breakout here is around $19.70. > > > > > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: [CANSLIM] RYL, Vectorvest Date: 21 May 2001 13:16:17 -0700 Finally got shook out of RYL today. On to better stocks....... Is anyone here familiar with Vectorvest? I'm trying 5 weeks for free; still looking for efficient ways to screen charts and stocks; . wondering what the group knows about this software.........a bit cheaper than DGO. What I'm doing now is just taking too much time......the 80 80 list near all time highs is over 250 now............. Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL, Vectorvest Date: 21 May 2001 22:06:03 -0400 Perry, Aside from what I already pay for DGO, I am not willing to pay much, if anything, for other screening services. If you lack the time to do your own review of the "80 80" list, you can always just wait for my review, and trust my judgment at chart reading (it ain't perfect, but I always find a few candidates every weekend). And I agree, the list is getting longer, and taking more of my time and effort, but that's a positive and what we all want. I use throughout the week cbs.marketwatch.com to screen for stocks that hit new highs. That gives me another 500 or so stocks to look at in addition to the DGO list. It permits me to set upper and lower thresholds for such things as price, market cap, PE, trading volume. There are a number of other variables that I do not use, but might be useful to your selection criteria. I try to review these daily lists during the week, but usually end up having to do most on the weekend. Vectorvest will never give you authentic CANSLIM data, so to me the cost even if nearly free would be too much compared to DGO. It also cannot give you such a consolidated amount of data that is all CANSLIM pertinent in a single site. Sorry about RYL in any case. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:16 PM Finally got shook out of RYL today. On to better stocks....... Is anyone here familiar with Vectorvest? I'm trying 5 weeks for free; still looking for efficient ways to screen charts and stocks; . wondering what the group knows about this software.........a bit cheaper than DGO. What I'm doing now is just taking too much time......the 80 80 list near all time highs is over 250 now............. Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Subject: [CANSLIM] Acc/Dis Numbers Date: 21 May 2001 22:12:39 -0400 Here are the latest Acc/Dis Numbers with the market still continuing to be back in good territory. Date A B C D E AB/A:E %E Market Posture 5/8/01 970 2618 1071 772 224 63% 4% Market stable 5/9/01 983 2613 1072 777 214 64% 4% Market stable 5/10/01 1006 2591 1086 763 217 64% 4% Market stable 5/11/01 1043 2579 1072 754 209 64% 4% Market stable 5/14/01 1071 2597 1070 728 202 65% 4% Market stable 5/15/01 1080 2569 1072 734 204 64% 4% Market stable 5/16/01 1087 2565 1078 708 214 65% 4% Market stable 5/17/01 1127 2556 1078 684 202 65% 4% Market stable 5/18/01 1187 2655 990 648 183 68% 3% Market stable 5/21/01 1262 2657 997 591 179 69% 3% Market stable Spread sheet version Date,A,B,C,D,E,AB/A:E,%E,Market Posture 5/8/01,970,2618,1071,772,224,63%,4%,Market stable 5/9/01,983,2613,1072,777,214,64%,4%,Market stable 5/10/01,1006,2591,1086,763,217,64%,4%,Market stable 5/11/01,1043,2579,1072,754,209,64%,4%,Market stable 5/14/01,1071,2597,1070,728,202,65%,4%,Market stable 5/15/01,1080,2569,1072,734,204,64%,4%,Market stable 5/16/01,1087,2565,1078,708,214,65%,4%,Market stable 5/17/01,1127,2556,1078,684,202,65%,4%,Market stable 5/18/01,1187,2655,990,648,183,68%,3%,Market stable 5/21/01,1262,2657,997,591,179,69%,3%,Market stable Robert - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Subject: [CANSLIM] Acc/Dis Numbers Date: 21 May 2001 22:17:52 -0400 Here are the latest Acc/Dis Numbers. The market still continues to remain in the stable region. Date A B C D E AB/A:E %E Market Posture 5/7/01 913 2622 1088 776 241 63% 4% Market stable 5/8/01 970 2618 1071 772 224 63% 4% Market stable 5/9/01 983 2613 1072 777 214 64% 4% Market stable 5/10/01 1006 2591 1086 763 217 64% 4% Market stable 5/11/01 1043 2579 1072 754 209 64% 4% Market stable 5/14/01 1071 2597 1070 728 202 65% 4% Market stable 5/15/01 1080 2569 1072 734 204 64% 4% Market stable 5/16/01 1087 2565 1078 708 214 65% 4% Market stable 5/17/01 1127 2556 1078 684 202 65% 4% Market stable 5/18/01 1187 2655 990 648 183 68% 3% Market stable 5/21/01 1262 2657 997 591 179 69% 3% Market stable Spread sheet version Date,A,B,C,D,E,AB/A:E,%E,Market Posture 5/8/01,970,2618,1071,772,224,63%,4%,Market stable 5/9/01,983,2613,1072,777,214,64%,4%,Market stable 5/10/01,1006,2591,1086,763,217,64%,4%,Market stable 5/11/01,1043,2579,1072,754,209,64%,4%,Market stable 5/14/01,1071,2597,1070,728,202,65%,4%,Market stable 5/15/01,1080,2569,1072,734,204,64%,4%,Market stable 5/16/01,1087,2565,1078,708,214,65%,4%,Market stable 5/17/01,1127,2556,1078,684,202,65%,4%,Market stable 5/18/01,1187,2655,990,648,183,68%,3%,Market stable 5/21/01,1262,2657,997,591,179,69%,3%,Market stable Robert - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Subject: [CANSLIM] Acc/Dis Numbers Date: 21 May 2001 22:22:06 -0400 Here are the latest Acc/Dis Numbers Date A B C D E AB/A:E %E Market Posture 5/7/01 913 2622 1088 776 241 63% 4% Market stable 5/8/01 970 2618 1071 772 224 63% 4% Market stable 5/9/01 983 2613 1072 777 214 64% 4% Market stable 5/10/01 1006 2591 1086 763 217 64% 4% Market stable 5/11/01 1043 2579 1072 754 209 64% 4% Market stable 5/14/01 1071 2597 1070 728 202 65% 4% Market stable 5/15/01 1080 2569 1072 734 204 64% 4% Market stable 5/16/01 1087 2565 1078 708 214 65% 4% Market stable 5/17/01 1127 2556 1078 684 202 65% 4% Market stable 5/18/01 1187 2655 990 648 183 68% 3% Market stable 5/21/01 1262 2657 997 591 179 69% 3% Market stable Spread sheet version Date,A,B,C,D,E,AB/A:E,%E,Market Posture 5/7/01,913,2622,1088,776,241,63%,4%,Market stable 5/8/01,970,2618,1071,772,224,63%,4%,Market stable 5/9/01,983,2613,1072,777,214,64%,4%,Market stable 5/10/01,1006,2591,1086,763,217,64%,4%,Market stable 5/11/01,1043,2579,1072,754,209,64%,4%,Market stable 5/14/01,1071,2597,1070,728,202,65%,4%,Market stable 5/15/01,1080,2569,1072,734,204,64%,4%,Market stable 5/16/01,1087,2565,1078,708,214,65%,4%,Market stable 5/17/01,1127,2556,1078,684,202,65%,4%,Market stable 5/18/01,1187,2655,990,648,183,68%,3%,Market stable 5/21/01,1262,2657,997,591,179,69%,3%,Market stable Robert - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Subject: [CANSLIM] Acc/Dis Numbers Date: 21 May 2001 22:23:13 -0400 Here are the latest Acc/Dis Numbers Date A B C D E AB/A:E %E Market Posture 5/7/01 913 2622 1088 776 241 63% 4% Market stable 5/8/01 970 2618 1071 772 224 63% 4% Market stable 5/9/01 983 2613 1072 777 214 64% 4% Market stable 5/10/01 1006 2591 1086 763 217 64% 4% Market stable 5/11/01 1043 2579 1072 754 209 64% 4% Market stable 5/14/01 1071 2597 1070 728 202 65% 4% Market stable 5/15/01 1080 2569 1072 734 204 64% 4% Market stable 5/16/01 1087 2565 1078 708 214 65% 4% Market stable 5/17/01 1127 2556 1078 684 202 65% 4% Market stable 5/18/01 1187 2655 990 648 183 68% 3% Market stable 5/21/01 1262 2657 997 591 179 69% 3% Market stable Spread sheet version Date,A,B,C,D,E,AB/A:E,%E,Market Posture 5/7/01,913,2622,1088,776,241,63%,4%,Market stable 5/8/01,970,2618,1071,772,224,63%,4%,Market stable 5/9/01,983,2613,1072,777,214,64%,4%,Market stable 5/10/01,1006,2591,1086,763,217,64%,4%,Market stable 5/11/01,1043,2579,1072,754,209,64%,4%,Market stable 5/14/01,1071,2597,1070,728,202,65%,4%,Market stable 5/15/01,1080,2569,1072,734,204,64%,4%,Market stable 5/16/01,1087,2565,1078,708,214,65%,4%,Market stable 5/17/01,1127,2556,1078,684,202,65%,4%,Market stable 5/18/01,1187,2655,990,648,183,68%,3%,Market stable 5/21/01,1262,2657,997,591,179,69%,3%,Market stable Robert - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot of attention Date: 21 May 2001 22:22:42 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C0E244.8DC62340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian, With the benefit of hindsight only achieved after market close, I am not = so impressed by this one. First, I will disagree with several members = that it is a LLUR, as one basic criteria for that designation is a 12 = month trading pattern in a consistent incline upward without significant = volatility. Because of "M", I am willing to shorten this to around six = months, but not much less. While it has shown this incline since = mid-Jan, it has even in that period been quite volatile. And the flat = base prior to that denies it a LLUR pattern in my eyes. I would also have some reservations after the Q1 drop in percentage Y2Y = gains in both earnings and sales when viewed sequentially. May be a = valid explanation, but I would want to look into that before venturing = in.=20 The weak Q1 results also means it is presently off the pace to exceed = Year 2000 by its historic earnings growth of 22%. It must average around = 28 cents / qtr to do this, so now must average 31 cents for each of the = remaining qtrs. Recently, it has only had one qtr over 30 cents. I would = need to be convinced that this is a reasonably possible outcome. I also = note that DGO does not show earnings forecasts, indicating that less = than three analysts are following it. But my greatest criticism (NOTE: I am not bashing, just pointing out = what would stop me buying this one) would come from the business = description indicating two core business lines: Aerospace / Electronics = combined with Printing / Packaging. I fail to see the synergy with this = combo, and have frequently seen companies with split personalities = unable to decide what their core business really is, and concentrate = there. Chartwise, I simply see this stock trading in a range, with the lower = side mostly marked by the 50 DMA (entry point) and the upper side by a = line drawn across the highs. With that philosophy, today's spike in = price puts it very close to a sell point. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting a = lot of attention Hi all: Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little CANLSIM company (94 96 = B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of volume out of the = blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the trigger for a good = breakout here is around $19.70. Opinions? Ian ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C0E244.8DC62340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ian,
 
With the benefit of hindsight only achieved after = market=20 close, I am not so impressed by this one. First, I will disagree with = several=20 members that it is a LLUR, as one basic criteria for that designation is = a 12=20 month trading pattern in a consistent incline upward without significant = volatility. Because of "M", I am willing to shorten this to around six = months,=20 but not much less. While it has shown this incline since mid-Jan, it has = even in=20 that period been quite volatile. And the flat base prior to that denies = it a=20 LLUR pattern in my eyes.
 
I would also have some reservations after the Q1 = drop in=20 percentage Y2Y gains in both earnings and sales when viewed = sequentially. May be=20 a valid explanation, but I would want to look into that before venturing = in.=20
 
The weak Q1 results also means it is presently off = the pace to=20 exceed Year 2000 by its historic earnings growth of 22%. It must average = around=20 28 cents / qtr to do this, so now must average 31 cents for each of the=20 remaining qtrs. Recently, it has only had one qtr over 30 cents. I would = need to=20 be convinced that this is a reasonably possible outcome. I also note = that DGO=20 does not show earnings forecasts, indicating that less than three = analysts are=20 following it.
 
But my greatest criticism (NOTE: I am not bashing, = just=20 pointing out what would stop me buying this one) would come from the = business=20 description indicating two core business lines: Aerospace / Electronics = combined=20 with Printing / Packaging. I fail to see the synergy with this combo, = and have=20 frequently seen companies with split personalities unable to decide what = their=20 core business really is, and concentrate there.
 
Chartwise, I simply see this stock trading in a = range, with=20 the lower side mostly marked by the 50 DMA (entry point) and the upper = side by a=20 line drawn across the highs. With that philosophy, today's spike in = price puts=20 it very close to a sell point.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 = 12:00 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] ATRO - = Wonderful=20 little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot of attention

Hi all:
 
Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little = CANLSIM=20 company (94 96 B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of = volume out=20 of the blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the trigger = for a good=20 breakout here is around $19.70.
 
Opinions?
 
Ian
 
=
 
------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C0E244.8DC62340-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: [CANSLIM] What, no notes on AMSGA?? Date: 21 May 2001 21:29:50 -0600 Hmm, I'm surprised this one wasn't mentioned. AMSGA is at 97/99/ABB. I was watching it move up nicely this morning, and it started to fade just a bit later in the morning (MDT). I was tempted to grab it, but I couldn't pick a stock to sell, so I decided to wait until later in the day to check on it. At that point, it was trading around 26.20 on good volume. I made the pivot at 25.13 based on a cup base. I went to lunch and checked on it about an hour before the close. Holy moly, it was now over 27 and beyond the 5% limit. At the end, it closed at 28.20 on over 5X ADV, and near the high for the day. I now consider this one out of range, but darn, it looks like a perfect one that I missed! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot of attention Date: 21 May 2001 20:59:33 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C0E238.F04FEE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom: Thanks a lot for the meaningful comments. They really are appreciated.=20 I first bought ATRO in January in the $13 area after their fabulous Q4 = report. I added more in March during a pullback, and closed out my = position in April. The most recent Q was disappointing when their tax = rate went well up, so the EPS didn't keep up with the sales growth - I = never like to see that. However, the gross earnings growth was still = strong, so I kept it on my watch list. I wasn't planning on buying them again, but I noticed the volume today, = and saw that $18.45 looked like a safe entry on the chart - although if = they hadn't taken out $19.70 on a huge volume increase, I would have = have been quick to sell. I've been trying to ignore my = predictive/analytical side lately, and trust the tape - thats why I = bought in again today, although it was a small position. I did the same with AHMH the other day just under $10 - I had decided = not to buy after the shelf offering, even though I thought their = Q/outlook were fantastic - but the tape told me that it was on its way = up, so I did end up taking a position. I've also done the same with = WLSN, PECS, RLRN, WMS and PCP recently - although I hate buying stuff = with crazy valuations like RLRN has, and have a tendency to put in such = tight mental stops that I get taken out on the first big correction. I much prefer buying flat bases of companies who have been compounding = revenues at a very high rate, and are suddenly benefitting from = economies of scale/operational efficiencies/better competitive = environment etc.. such that EPS start to jump up faster than revenue = growth. Since they typically have low valuations (based on average = historical metrics), I have no problems taking large positions (for some = reason I find these inevitably have based in the $9-$14 range), as my = downside is limited. Unfortunately I haven't found one in several = months that I feel comfortable taking a substantial position in - so I = am left 'chasing'/tape-reading extended LLUR stocks (or, as in ATRO's = case, a LLUR wannabe). Again, thanks for the civilized, meaningful feedback. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap = getting a lot of attention Hi Ian, With the benefit of hindsight only achieved after market close, I am = not so impressed by this one. First, I will disagree with several = members that it is a LLUR, as one basic criteria for that designation is = a 12 month trading pattern in a consistent incline upward without = significant volatility. Because of "M", I am willing to shorten this to = around six months, but not much less. While it has shown this incline = since mid-Jan, it has even in that period been quite volatile. And the = flat base prior to that denies it a LLUR pattern in my eyes. I would also have some reservations after the Q1 drop in percentage = Y2Y gains in both earnings and sales when viewed sequentially. May be a = valid explanation, but I would want to look into that before venturing = in.=20 The weak Q1 results also means it is presently off the pace to exceed = Year 2000 by its historic earnings growth of 22%. It must average around = 28 cents / qtr to do this, so now must average 31 cents for each of the = remaining qtrs. Recently, it has only had one qtr over 30 cents. I would = need to be convinced that this is a reasonably possible outcome. I also = note that DGO does not show earnings forecasts, indicating that less = than three analysts are following it. But my greatest criticism (NOTE: I am not bashing, just pointing out = what would stop me buying this one) would come from the business = description indicating two core business lines: Aerospace / Electronics = combined with Printing / Packaging. I fail to see the synergy with this = combo, and have frequently seen companies with split personalities = unable to decide what their core business really is, and concentrate = there. Chartwise, I simply see this stock trading in a range, with the lower = side mostly marked by the 50 DMA (entry point) and the upper side by a = line drawn across the highs. With that philosophy, today's spike in = price puts it very close to a sell point. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] ATRO - Wonderful little CANSLIM microcap getting = a lot of attention Hi all: Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little CANLSIM company (94 = 96 B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of volume out of the = blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the trigger for a good = breakout here is around $19.70. Opinions? Ian ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C0E238.F04FEE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom:
 
Thanks a lot for the meaningful comments. They = really are=20 appreciated.
 
I first bought ATRO in January in the $13 area after = their=20 fabulous Q4  report. I added more in March during a pullback, and = closed=20 out my position in April. The most recent Q was=20 disappointing when their tax rate went well up, so the EPS didn't keep = up with=20 the sales growth - I never like to see that. However, the gross earnings = growth=20 was still strong, so I kept it on my watch list.
 
I wasn't planning on buying them again, but I = noticed the=20 volume today, and saw that $18.45 looked like a safe entry on the chart = -=20 although if they hadn't taken out $19.70 on a huge volume increase, I = would have=20 have been quick to sell. I've been trying to ignore my = predictive/analytical=20 side lately, and trust the tape - thats why I bought in again today, = although it=20 was a small position.
 
I did the same with AHMH the other day just under = $10 - I had=20 decided not to buy after the shelf offering, even though I thought their = Q/outlook were fantastic - but the tape told me that it was on its way = up, so I=20 did end up taking a position. I've also done the same with WLSN, PECS, = RLRN, WMS=20 and PCP recently - although I hate buying stuff with crazy valuations = like RLRN=20 has, and have a tendency to put in such tight mental stops that I get = taken out=20 on the first big correction.
 
I much prefer buying flat bases of companies who = have been=20 compounding revenues at a very high rate, and are suddenly benefitting = from=20 economies of scale/operational efficiencies/better competitive = environment etc..=20 such that EPS start to jump up faster than revenue growth.  Since = they=20 typically have low valuations (based on average historical metrics), I = have no=20 problems taking large positions (for some reason I find these inevitably = have=20 based in the $9-$14 range), as my downside is limited.  = Unfortunately I=20 haven't found one in several months that I feel comfortable taking = a=20 substantial position in - so I am left 'chasing'/tape-reading extended = LLUR=20 stocks (or, as in ATRO's case, a LLUR wannabe).
 
Again, thanks for the civilized, meaningful=20 feedback.
 
Cheers,
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:22 = PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ATRO - = Wonderful=20 little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot of attention

Hi Ian,
 
With the benefit of hindsight only achieved after = market=20 close, I am not so impressed by this one. First, I will disagree with = several=20 members that it is a LLUR, as one basic criteria for that designation = is a 12=20 month trading pattern in a consistent incline upward without = significant=20 volatility. Because of "M", I am willing to shorten this to around six = months,=20 but not much less. While it has shown this incline since mid-Jan, it = has even=20 in that period been quite volatile. And the flat base prior to that = denies it=20 a LLUR pattern in my eyes.
 
I would also have some reservations after the Q1 = drop in=20 percentage Y2Y gains in both earnings and sales when viewed = sequentially. May=20 be a valid explanation, but I would want to look into that before = venturing=20 in.
 
The weak Q1 results also means it is presently off = the pace=20 to exceed Year 2000 by its historic earnings growth of 22%. It must = average=20 around 28 cents / qtr to do this, so now must average 31 cents for = each of the=20 remaining qtrs. Recently, it has only had one qtr over 30 cents. I = would need=20 to be convinced that this is a reasonably possible outcome. I also = note that=20 DGO does not show earnings forecasts, indicating that less than three = analysts=20 are following it.
 
But my greatest criticism (NOTE: I am not bashing, = just=20 pointing out what would stop me buying this one) would come from the = business=20 description indicating two core business lines: Aerospace / = Electronics=20 combined with Printing / Packaging. I fail to see the synergy with = this combo,=20 and have frequently seen companies with split personalities unable to = decide=20 what their core business really is, and concentrate = there.
 
Chartwise, I simply see this stock trading in a = range, with=20 the lower side mostly marked by the 50 DMA (entry point) and the upper = side by=20 a line drawn across the highs. With that philosophy, today's spike in = price=20 puts it very close to a sell point.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 = 12:00=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] ATRO - = Wonderful=20 little CANSLIM microcap getting a lot of attention

Hi all:
 
Have a look at ATRO here. It is a great little = CANLSIM=20 company (94 96 B A B on May 11) that is suddenly getting a lot of = volume out=20 of the blue. The chart, IMHO, looks good also. I figure the trigger = for a=20 good breakout here is around $19.70.
 
Opinions?
 
Ian
 
=
 
------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C0E238.F04FEE30-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: musicant@pacbell.net (Dan Musicant) Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RYL, Vectorvest Date: 22 May 2001 04:00:20 +0000 (GMT) On Mon, 21 May 2001 13:16:17 -0700, you wrote: :Finally got shook out of RYL today. On to better stocks....... : :Is anyone here familiar with Vectorvest? I'm trying 5 weeks for free; = still :looking for efficient ways to screen charts and stocks; . wondering = what :the group knows about this software.........a bit cheaper than DGO. = What :I'm doing now is just taking too much time......the 80 80 list near all = time :highs is over 250 now............. : :Perry I had a position in Ryland a couple of weeks ago but unloaded before the breakout. At least I wasn't shaken out. I think the Salomon Smith Barney downgrade of it and a couple of other home builders finally beat the stuffing out of them. RYL, LEN and MDC all tanked today. Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO Date: 21 May 2001 22:38:39 -0600 Anyone else see a flag forming in COCO? It was mentioned here last week by someone (Tim?), looks like it could be setting up a good opportunity to enter again. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dannygottlieb" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO Date: 22 May 2001 10:40:54 +0200 Also eager to get into COCO. IMO there wasn't much of a handle if at all,so didn't buy it. Not experienced enough to tell you 100%, but it does kind of seem to be forming a flag-like pattern. Danny ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 6:38 AM > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zeno4@uole.com Subject: Free Loan Quotations.....Lower your Rate! Date: 23 May 2001 05:14:16 -0500 Loan Application Form -->


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= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO Date: 22 May 2001 04:44:41 -0700 Definitely not an HTF. Look at PENN for another great HTF that I bot off of. Compare that to COCO the past few days. This is a wedge, and I don't like it. I want out, because of the news (APOL got a federal slap on the wrist). I guess I will let my initial stop take me out but I don't like the entire group right now, like I didn't like the homebuilders a week ago when most were at all time highs... At 10:38 PM 5/21/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Anyone else see a flag forming in COCO? It was mentioned here >last week by someone (Tim?), looks like it could be setting up a >good opportunity to enter again. > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 22 May 2001 08:39:25 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0E29A.B51272E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I expect my stop will finally be hit today. Would have preferred = it hit my spike protector sell limit, but that's ok, I am not lowering = my stop. Doing a secondary of 1.5 million shares of which over 1 million = are new shares being sold by the company. Not sure why they need so much = cash, maybe looking at doing some more acquisitions. In over a week of = daily raises to my stop, never more than 2% off the prior day's low, and = often 50 cents or so off the close, even on up days, I just couldn't = seem to get rid of a qtr position. I have never used such a tight stop, = and not been stopped out. Raised it nearly $8 to date, so a win win any = way you count it. Indicated up before the opening, but I expect that will change rapidly. = Hopefully no gap down. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0E29A.B51272E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I expect my stop will finally be hit today. = Would have=20 preferred it hit my spike protector sell limit, but that's ok, I am not = lowering=20 my stop. Doing a secondary of 1.5 million shares of which over 1 million = are new=20 shares being sold by the company. Not sure why they need so much cash, = maybe=20 looking at doing some more acquisitions. In over a week of daily raises = to my=20 stop, never more than 2% off the prior day's low, and often 50 cents or = so off=20 the close, even on up days, I just couldn't seem to get rid of a qtr = position.=20 I have never used such a tight stop, and not been stopped out. = Raised it=20 nearly $8 to date, so a win win any way you count it.
 
Indicated up before the opening, but I expect that = will change=20 rapidly. Hopefully no gap down.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C0E29A.B51272E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] eog Date: 22 May 2001 09:36:02 EDT --part1_d.15080d94.283bc542_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what do you think of eog? --part1_d.15080d94.283bc542_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what do you think of eog? --part1_d.15080d94.283bc542_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] penn Date: 22 May 2001 09:48:22 EDT --part1_b8.16024123.283bc826_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is penn too extended to buy into --part1_b8.16024123.283bc826_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is penn too extended to buy into --part1_b8.16024123.283bc826_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Date: 22 May 2001 10:39:41 -0400 Anyone familiar with Omega's Radarscreen? Very expensive but seems to be a very powerful realtime screening program. It uses the powerful EasyLanguage. I have been disappointed with my trial version of Metastock Pro 7.2 realtime. It is a great program, great support however it is not really setup for realtime scans. It has an Explorer which does scan stocks but it must be run manually and it cannot be set to screen constantly in realtime. Also the data vendor ESignal is a bit of a disappointment due to their limit of 50 symbols in realtime. Metastock does not have a quote screen and the alerts are awkward to setup. Alerts must be attached to a chart. Can you imagine having 30+ charts on a layout if one wants to watch 30 stocks?? I am just a beginner but I find the biggest hurdle for me is finding the right software tools to monitor breakouts etc. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Perry Stanfield Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:16 PM Finally got shook out of RYL today. On to better stocks....... Is anyone here familiar with Vectorvest? I'm trying 5 weeks for free; still looking for efficient ways to screen charts and stocks; . wondering what the group knows about this software.........a bit cheaper than DGO. What I'm doing now is just taking too much time......the 80 80 list near all time highs is over 250 now............. Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HGS List Date: 22 May 2001 08:03:12 -0700 Every time I see ALLY in a high growth list, or an IBD big-money column, I think of it at $1 last May, and wonder if AGAM ($2 not long ago) can have the same kind of turnaround. Does anyone know anything about the sustainability/lumpiness of their revenues? Thanks, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:43 AM > Attached (hopefully). A couple stocks I hold are eating into the builders' > lead. Nice change ;) > ---- > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HGS List Date: 22 May 2001 08:03:12 -0700 Every time I see ALLY in a high growth list, or an IBD big-money column, I think of it at $1 last May, and wonder if AGAM ($2 not long ago) can have the same kind of turnaround. Does anyone know anything about the sustainability/lumpiness of their revenues? Thanks, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:43 AM > Attached (hopefully). A couple stocks I hold are eating into the builders' > lead. Nice change ;) > ---- > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HGS List Date: 22 May 2001 08:03:12 -0700 Every time I see ALLY in a high growth list, or an IBD big-money column, I think of it at $1 last May, and wonder if AGAM ($2 not long ago) can have the same kind of turnaround. Does anyone know anything about the sustainability/lumpiness of their revenues? Thanks, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:43 AM > Attached (hopefully). A couple stocks I hold are eating into the builders' > lead. Nice change ;) > ---- > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] penn Date: 22 May 2001 07:58:07 -0700 YES On 06:48 AM 5/22/01, BIKEAR@aol.com Said: >Is penn too extended to buy into Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] MNTG - Good volume today. Date: 22 May 2001 08:18:55 -0700 I was waffling yesterday - surprised at its unexpected (in my mind) weakness the last couple of days while the rest of the gaming group was going through the roof. It is hitting a new high today, and is finally through $10. My experience suggests that this $10 area is often a point of extreme resistance, and it often takes several attempts to clear. Has anyone else who likes the gaming group looked at MNTG? Thanks, Ian PS - Sorry about the repeat mesages on AGAM - I'm having trouble with my POP/SMTP server today. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What, no notes on AMSGA?? Date: 22 May 2001 08:05:20 -0700 (PDT) looks like it is back in range now... Kent Norman --- esetser wrote: > Hmm, I'm surprised this one wasn't mentioned. AMSGA > is at 97/99/ABB. I > was watching it move up nicely this morning, and it > started to fade just a > bit later in the morning (MDT). I was tempted to > grab it, but I couldn't > pick a stock to sell, so I decided to wait until > later in the day to check > on it. At that point, it was trading around 26.20 > on good volume. I made > the pivot at 25.13 based on a cup base. I went to > lunch and checked on it > about an hour before the close. Holy moly, it was > now over 27 and beyond > the 5% limit. At the end, it closed at 28.20 on > over 5X ADV, and near the > high for the day. I now consider this one out of > range, but darn, it looks > like a perfect one that I missed! > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] penn Date: 22 May 2001 11:31:35 EDT --part1_1e.1615941b.283be057_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks I thought so..jan --part1_1e.1615941b.283be057_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks I thought so..jan --part1_1e.1615941b.283be057_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 11:39:54 -0400 What is going with CHIC? Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] DFXI Date: 22 May 2001 11:42:44 -0400 Nice cup and handle, 99 c a a a. Comments? Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 11:44:23 -0400 Oh, I got it - it got downgraded. So the question now is: what should one do? This seems like an over reactio to me, but should I argue with M and hold or should I damp NOW? Anna Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 11:39:54 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: What is going with CHIC? Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] PDII Date: 22 May 2001 11:47:57 -0400 Very tight rising base but great CANSLIM ratings, 99, A,A,A,A. How would you enter this? Comments? Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Date: 22 May 2001 09:09:35 -0700 DFXI is an extremely well run company with incredible focus on what they do well. Their results have been amazing for years now (someone urged me to buy it several years ago at a split-adjusted $1 on the TSE - I have watched it 'LLUR' for years without owning it). That being said, the stock has not 'behaved' as I would have expected since their last quarterly results were announced. We have been in a huge bull trend for the last few weeks and I would have expected DFXI to have participated much more. The recent drop in volume here is quite encouraging - if volume picks up substantially on big block buying, I think that I will finally buy in. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:42 AM > Nice cup and handle, 99 c a a a. Comments? > > Rick > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO Date: 22 May 2001 09:55:55 -0600 I guess we have different definitions. I looked again, and I see an initial move up (5/15 and 5/16, the flag pole), and then I see 3 days with lower highs, but lows near the same level, which is the beginning of a flag or pennant. You may want to see it consolidate for another couple days, but I don't know what else to call this formation at this stage of development anyway. I was under the impression a wedge has an upward drift to it. On 22 May 01, at 4:44, Tim Fisher wrote: > Definitely not an HTF. Look at PENN for another great HTF that I bot off > of. Compare that to COCO the past few days. This is a wedge, and I don't > like it. I want out, because of the news (APOL got a federal slap on the > wrist). I guess I will let my initial stop take me out but I don't like the > entire group right now, like I didn't like the homebuilders a week ago when > most were at all time highs... > > At 10:38 PM 5/21/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >Anyone else see a flag forming in COCO? It was mentioned here > >last week by someone (Tim?), looks like it could be setting up a > >good opportunity to enter again. > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Date: 22 May 2001 09:09:35 -0700 DFXI is an extremely well run company with incredible focus on what they do well. Their results have been amazing for years now (someone urged me to buy it several years ago at a split-adjusted $1 on the TSE - I have watched it 'LLUR' for years without owning it). That being said, the stock has not 'behaved' as I would have expected since their last quarterly results were announced. We have been in a huge bull trend for the last few weeks and I would have expected DFXI to have participated much more. The recent drop in volume here is quite encouraging - if volume picks up substantially on big block buying, I think that I will finally buy in. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:42 AM > Nice cup and handle, 99 c a a a. Comments? > > Rick > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Date: 22 May 2001 09:02:48 -0700 Didn't we discuss this one just a day or so ago? Whoever said they didn't like this one-trick (Bowflex) I totally agree. Remember Salton (aka the George Foreman Grill co)? >Nice cup and handle, 99 c a a a. Comments? > >Rick > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 09:04:59 -0700 You should do what you feel is right. What does WON say? Is there a reason to sell? Is distribution on about avg vol a reason to sell? If I was you, which I am not, I would let my stop do the talking. On 08:44 AM 5/22/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >Oh, I got it - it got downgraded. >So the question now is: what should one do? This seems like an over reactio >to me, but should I argue with M and hold or should I damp NOW? > > >Anna > > > >Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 11:39:54 AM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? > > > >What is going with CHIC? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PDII Date: 22 May 2001 09:07:54 -0700 Are you serious? Are we talking the PDII which has a 52 week high of 142 and is now at 83? The one who terminated the big contract with Glaxo and got a 50% haircut? On 08:47 AM 5/22/01, Rick Parsons Said: >Very tight rising base but great CANSLIM ratings, 99, A,A,A,A. >How would you enter this? >Comments? > >Rick > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO Date: 22 May 2001 09:12:36 -0700 I call this a bear wedge, not an HTF. High, meaning at the high, tight, meaning extremely tight trading range, also I like volume to dry up compared to the run up. None of these applies to COCO, except vol is slowly drifting down to avg. HTFs are flat. Again, look at PENN - virtually the same high, low, open and close, all within a few tenths of a point range, for 4 days. Not lower highs and the same lows with a 3-5 point range. A bear wedge has a downward drift to it, which is what I think this is. On 08:55 AM 5/22/01, Patrick Wahl Said: >I guess we have different definitions. I looked again, and I see an >initial move up (5/15 and 5/16, the flag pole), and then I see 3 days >with lower highs, but lows near the same level, which is the >beginning of a flag or pennant. You may want to see it consolidate >for another couple days, but I don't know what else to call this >formation at this stage of development anyway. I was under the >impression a wedge has an upward drift to it. > >On 22 May 01, at 4:44, Tim Fisher wrote: > > > Definitely not an HTF. Look at PENN for another great HTF that I bot off > > of. Compare that to COCO the past few days. This is a wedge, and I don't > > like it. I want out, because of the news (APOL got a federal slap on the > > wrist). I guess I will let my initial stop take me out but I don't like > the > > entire group right now, like I didn't like the homebuilders a week ago > when > > most were at all time highs... > > > > At 10:38 PM 5/21/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > >Anyone else see a flag forming in COCO? It was mentioned here > > >last week by someone (Tim?), looks like it could be setting up a > > >good opportunity to enter again. > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Light Subject: [CANSLIM] Omega Radarscreen Date: 22 May 2001 12:08:37 -0400 Rick, There is a very active list that discusses the good & bad aspects of Omega products. List members would be responsive to your questions. You may subscribe by sending request to omega-digest-request@eskimo.com & typing subscribe in the subject line. I'm an Omega product user, but not familiar with Radarscreen. Joseph Light "Anyone familiar with Omega's Radarscreen? Very expensive but seems to be a very powerful realtime screening program. It uses the powerful EasyLanguage." - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 12:14:29 -0400 I feel fear. Lots of it. My cost is about 33.80, I had a stop loss below the low of the last pullback @ 32.37. The stock has gone up over 15% so in theory I should not take a loss on it (per WON). On the other hand: My initial stop loss has not been triggered. I cannot find why the stock got downgraded (valuations, reduced earnings? Btw, do you know where I can find this kind of info?) The average trade size is about 380 shares - lots of small people damping. Thompon's site shows institutional buying. The fall happened so fast that at some point it has to rebound (even if for a short while). Decision time... Again, do you know where/how I can find the reasons for downgrade? Anna Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 12:04:59 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: You should do what you feel is right. What does WON say? Is there a reason to sell? Is distribution on about avg vol a reason to sell? If I was you, which I am not, I would let my stop do the talking. On 08:44 AM 5/22/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >Oh, I got it - it got downgraded. >So the question now is: what should one do? This seems like an over reactio >to me, but should I argue with M and hold or should I damp NOW? > > >Anna > > > >Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 11:39:54 AM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? > > > >What is going with CHIC? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 09:23:55 -0700 http://investor.cnet.com/investor/brokeragecenter/reports-single-company/0-9910-1084-0-CHIC.html?tag=qbox On 09:14 AM 5/22/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >find why the stock got downgraded (valuations, reduced earnings? Btw, do >you know where I can find this kind of info?) Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic holders - if any of you are still there Date: 22 May 2001 12:23:15 -0400 Ok. Here's the reason: valuation. It took a few hours for this to fil= ter to yahoo and microsoft site. Does anyone know a faster way to find the= reason for downgrades/upgrades? Thank you. = =20 = =20 = =20 NEW YORK, May 22 (Reuters) - Robertson Stephens retail analyst Jane= t =20 Kloppenberg said on Tuesday she had cut her investment rating on = =20 women's apparel retailer Charlotte Russe (CHIC) to market perform f= rom =20 buy. = =20 = =20 = =20 She said in a research note the sales and earnings outlook for the = =20 company remained robust, and believed its stock price currently = =20 reflected near-term upside on its earnings per share. = =20 = =20 = =20 She added the stock was now also more attractive for longer-term = =20 investors. = =20 = =20 = =20 ``Our downgrade is based purely on the shares' current high valuati= on =20 relative to the company's 30 percent projected secular growth rate = and =20 to our specialty apparel retail peer group's average multiple,'' sh= e =20 added. = =20 = =20 = =20 Shares of Charlotte Russe ended Monday up 5.81 percent, or $2.15, a= t =20 $39.15 on the Nasdaq market. = =20 = =20 = =20 =A9 2001 Reuters = =20 = =20 = =20 Anna Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 12:14:29 = PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I feel fear. Lots of it. My cost is about 33.80, I had a stop loss below the low of the last pullback @ 32.37. The stock has gone up over 15% so in theory I should= not take a loss on it (per WON). On the other hand: My initial stop loss has not been triggered. I canno= t find why the stock got downgraded (valuations, reduced earnings? Btw, = do you know where I can find this kind of info?) The average trade size is about 380 shares - lots of small people damp= ing. Thompon's site shows institutional buying. The fall happened so fast th= at at some point it has to rebound (even if for a short while). Decision time... Again, do you know where/how I can find the reasons f= or downgrade? Anna Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 12:04:5= 9 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: You should do what you feel is right. What does WON say? Is there a rea= son to sell? Is distribution on about avg vol a reason to sell? If I was yo= u, which I am not, I would let my stop do the talking. On 08:44 AM 5/22/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >Oh, I got it - it got downgraded. >So the question now is: what should one do? This seems like an over reactio >to me, but should I argue with M and hold or should I damp NOW? > > >Anna > > > >Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 11:39:54= AM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? > > > >What is going with CHIC? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. = - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] PDII Date: 22 May 2001 12:26:16 -0400 Tim, I am not familiar with the company. thanks for your comments. However despite the terminated contract and fall from the 52 week high, it still has ratings of 99,A,A,A,A with a RS of 95. This puts it up along the best of the best, does it not? If they can still rate this high after the terminated contract, does that not say they are doing something right? Of course I am just a beginner here, so tell me if these ratings must be ignored. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:08 PM Are you serious? Are we talking the PDII which has a 52 week high of 142 and is now at 83? The one who terminated the big contract with Glaxo and got a 50% haircut? On 08:47 AM 5/22/01, Rick Parsons Said: >Very tight rising base but great CANSLIM ratings, 99, A,A,A,A. >How would you enter this? >Comments? > >Rick > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] PDII Date: 22 May 2001 09:37:37 -0700 I don't consider anything that has fallen 50% from its highs. I doubt WON would either. There is so much overhead resistance there it is not worth the fight to get back to near the old high. Again, there are so many good candidates out there right now, why bother with something so beaten down? On 09:26 AM 5/22/01, Rick Parsons Said: >Tim, >I am not familiar with the company. thanks for your comments. >However despite the terminated contract and fall from the 52 week high, it >still has ratings of 99,A,A,A,A with a RS of 95. >This puts it up along the best of the best, does it not? >If they can still rate this high after the terminated contract, does that >not say they are doing something right? >Of course I am just a beginner here, so tell me if these ratings must be >ignored. > >Rick > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:08 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PDII > > >Are you serious? Are we talking the PDII which has a 52 week high of 142 >and is now at 83? The one who terminated the big contract with Glaxo and >got a 50% haircut? > >On 08:47 AM 5/22/01, Rick Parsons Said: > >Very tight rising base but great CANSLIM ratings, 99, A,A,A,A. > >How would you enter this? > >Comments? > > > >Rick > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKutney@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Date: 22 May 2001 11:04:16 EDT --part1_50.162b69ac.283bd9f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your message troubles me because I don't feel that you need any of these tools to buy stocks using CANSLIM. I use investors.com along with a once and while subscription to Daily Graphs. How can these other software packages be useful if you need to work all day on a regular type job? Steve --part1_50.162b69ac.283bd9f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your message troubles me because I don't feel that you need any of these
tools to buy stocks using CANSLIM. I use investors.com along with a once and
while subscription to Daily Graphs. How can these other software packages be
useful if you need to work all day on a regular type job?

Steve --part1_50.162b69ac.283bd9f0_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] MNTG Date: 22 May 2001 09:53:42 -0700 I finally found it under the '$10 NAZ Stocks' list in IBD. 97 97 and an 'A' Acc/Dist rating. I am in here around $10.20. I really like the way that it is being bought today. And they have a strong 'N' coming up with the wager being upped from $2 to $5 in their West VIrginia slots: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010502/2114.html Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO Date: 22 May 2001 11:38:32 -0500 High Tight Flags are weekly formations of 3-5 weeks in duration. I don't see a HTF in COCO or PENN. IMO, excluding today COCO is a picture perfect 3 day pennant as you mentioned. Any sideways consolidation from a thrust could be called a flag but WON decided to specifically identify the HTF as a special, very powerful, weekly flag formation. I have not seen one of these in a long time. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:55 AM > I guess we have different definitions. I looked again, and I see an > initial move up (5/15 and 5/16, the flag pole), and then I see 3 days > with lower highs, but lows near the same level, which is the > beginning of a flag or pennant. You may want to see it consolidate > for another couple days, but I don't know what else to call this > formation at this stage of development anyway. I was under the > impression a wedge has an upward drift to it. > > On 22 May 01, at 4:44, Tim Fisher wrote: > > > Definitely not an HTF. Look at PENN for another great HTF that I bot off > > of. Compare that to COCO the past few days. This is a wedge, and I don't > > like it. I want out, because of the news (APOL got a federal slap on the > > wrist). I guess I will let my initial stop take me out but I don't like the > > entire group right now, like I didn't like the homebuilders a week ago when > > most were at all time highs... > > > > At 10:38 PM 5/21/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > >Anyone else see a flag forming in COCO? It was mentioned here > > >last week by someone (Tim?), looks like it could be setting up a > > >good opportunity to enter again. > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO Date: 22 May 2001 09:51:34 -0700 Again, it depends on who you talk to. Ian Woodward does not think that an HTF needs to be weeks in forming. He has used examples of as short as 4 days on his website. On 09:38 AM 5/22/01, David Squires Said: >High Tight Flags are weekly formations of 3-5 weeks in duration. I don't see >a HTF in COCO or PENN. IMO, excluding today COCO is a picture perfect 3 day >pennant as you mentioned. Any sideways consolidation from a thrust could be >called a flag but WON decided to specifically identify the HTF as a special, >very powerful, weekly flag formation. I have not seen one of these in a long >time. > >DSquires > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Patrick Wahl" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:55 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO > > > > I guess we have different definitions. I looked again, and I see an > > initial move up (5/15 and 5/16, the flag pole), and then I see 3 days > > with lower highs, but lows near the same level, which is the > > beginning of a flag or pennant. You may want to see it consolidate > > for another couple days, but I don't know what else to call this > > formation at this stage of development anyway. I was under the > > impression a wedge has an upward drift to it. > > > > On 22 May 01, at 4:44, Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > Definitely not an HTF. Look at PENN for another great HTF that I bot off > > > of. Compare that to COCO the past few days. This is a wedge, and I don't > > > like it. I want out, because of the news (APOL got a federal slap on the > > > wrist). I guess I will let my initial stop take me out but I don't like >the > > > entire group right now, like I didn't like the homebuilders a week ago >when > > > most were at all time highs... > > > > > > At 10:38 PM 5/21/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Anyone else see a flag forming in COCO? It was mentioned here > > > >last week by someone (Tim?), looks like it could be setting up a > > > >good opportunity to enter again. > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 10:51:46 -0600 On 22 May 01, at 12:14, asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > Decision time... Again, do you know where/how I can find the reasons for > downgrade? I wouldn't advise you on whether or not to sell, but - a downgrade is no reason to sell, an upgrade is no reason to buy. I've watched those analyst guys at work for years and I've decided the best thing to do is ignore them as much as possible. I've posted an analyst bashing article or two here before. If you want your eyes opened a bit, find the issue of Fortune magazine from the last few weeks which had an analyst on the cover (forget her name) who covered the internet stocks. Not a pretty picture. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic holders - if any of you are still there Date: 22 May 2001 11:53:06 -0500 Do yourself a favor and don't focus on the news so much. Watch the action of your stock. Is it climbing on expanding volume and falling on light volume. Is the market acting good with a fair number of good stocks breaking out? Is the group still acting good? You'll find that downgrades can be buying opportunities when the wind is at your back and your stock is acting good. Of course, if it hits your stop the debate is over. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:23 AM Ok. Here's the reason: valuation. It took a few hours for this to filter to yahoo and microsoft site. Does anyone know a faster way to find the reason for downgrades/upgrades? Thank you. NEW YORK, May 22 (Reuters) - Robertson Stephens retail analyst Janet Kloppenberg said on Tuesday she had cut her investment rating on women's apparel retailer Charlotte Russe (CHIC) to market perform from buy. She said in a research note the sales and earnings outlook for the company remained robust, and believed its stock price currently reflected near-term upside on its earnings per share. She added the stock was now also more attractive for longer-term investors. ``Our downgrade is based purely on the shares' current high valuation relative to the company's 30 percent projected secular growth rate and to our specialty apparel retail peer group's average multiple,'' she added. Shares of Charlotte Russe ended Monday up 5.81 percent, or $2.15, at $39.15 on the Nasdaq market. © 2001 Reuters Anna Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 12:14:29 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I feel fear. Lots of it. My cost is about 33.80, I had a stop loss below the low of the last pullback @ 32.37. The stock has gone up over 15% so in theory I should not take a loss on it (per WON). On the other hand: My initial stop loss has not been triggered. I cannot find why the stock got downgraded (valuations, reduced earnings? Btw, do you know where I can find this kind of info?) The average trade size is about 380 shares - lots of small people damping. Thompon's site shows institutional buying. The fall happened so fast that at some point it has to rebound (even if for a short while). Decision time... Again, do you know where/how I can find the reasons for downgrade? Anna Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 12:04:59 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: You should do what you feel is right. What does WON say? Is there a reason to sell? Is distribution on about avg vol a reason to sell? If I was you, which I am not, I would let my stop do the talking. On 08:44 AM 5/22/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >Oh, I got it - it got downgraded. >So the question now is: what should one do? This seems like an over reactio >to me, but should I argue with M and hold or should I damp NOW? > > >Anna > > > >Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 11:39:54 AM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? > > > >What is going with CHIC? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PDII Date: 22 May 2001 11:59:19 -0500 IBD's RS has a tendency to lag in stocks that have gone up a lot, especially when the market is not going up. For example, the 6 month RS is only 40. You are right all the numbers look good but the chart is quite ugly. Lastly, keep in mind that the first attempt to fill large breakaway gaps tends to fail at 50-60% retracements of those gaps. They tend to be significant resistance. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:26 AM > Tim, > I am not familiar with the company. thanks for your comments. > However despite the terminated contract and fall from the 52 week high, it > still has ratings of 99,A,A,A,A with a RS of 95. > This puts it up along the best of the best, does it not? > If they can still rate this high after the terminated contract, does that > not say they are doing something right? > Of course I am just a beginner here, so tell me if these ratings must be > ignored. > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:08 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PDII > > > Are you serious? Are we talking the PDII which has a 52 week high of 142 > and is now at 83? The one who terminated the big contract with Glaxo and > got a 50% haircut? > > On 08:47 AM 5/22/01, Rick Parsons Said: > >Very tight rising base but great CANSLIM ratings, 99, A,A,A,A. > >How would you enter this? > >Comments? > > > >Rick > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Date: 22 May 2001 13:10:01 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C0E2C0.822C1860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve, Actually my "job" is investing my nest egg from my home. So I have the = time to monitor the market. Many times I see comments posted on this board stating that a stock shot = thru the pivot point and it was too far extended to catch it. So it = seems as if we would need some good realtime alerts. If my message troubles you, then the reverse is true for me: Your = message seems to indicate that you can find and buy CANLIM stocks on a = timely basis (near the pivot point) without fancy software or monitoring = the market all day. How do you do it? Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of SKutney@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:04 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Your message troubles me because I don't feel that you need any of = these=20 tools to buy stocks using CANSLIM. I use investors.com along with a = once and=20 while subscription to Daily Graphs. How can these other software = packages be=20 useful if you need to work all day on a regular type job?=20 Steve=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C0E2C0.822C1860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve,
Actually my "job" is investing my nest egg from = my=20 home.  So I have the time to monitor the=20 market.
Many times I see comments posted on this board = stating that=20 a stock shot thru the pivot point and it was too far extended to = catch=20 it.  So it seems as if we would need some good realtime=20 alerts.
 
If my message troubles you, then the reverse is true = for=20 me:  Your message seems to indicate that you can find and buy = CANLIM stocks=20 on a timely basis (near the pivot point) without fancy software or = monitoring=20 the market all day.  How do you do it?
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 SKutney@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:04=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 The Right Software Tools

Your message troubles me because I don't feel that you need = any of=20 these
tools to buy stocks using CANSLIM. I use investors.com along = with a=20 once and
while subscription to Daily Graphs. How can these other = software=20 packages be
useful if you need to work all day on a regular type = job?=20

Steve
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C0E2C0.822C1860-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO List Date: 22 May 2001 13:24:01 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C0E2C2.76D6DF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, I understand how you screened this list (RS and EPS of 80 or better). = However, if you look at a stock like DNB which has falling sales and = declining earnings, would this cause you to reject it even though the = chart has a nice base and it breaks out? Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:20 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List Total list this Friday at 279, up from 253. Prior weeks it totaled 264 = and 245. It consists of those stocks in the Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) = that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or better. Additionally, = they must have been at or within 5% of the 12 month high during the = prior week. In my review of this overall list, I am only focusing on the = recent chart patterns.=20 This review of the overall list is solely intended to identify stocks = with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, that are = showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal bias against certain industries is largely ignored in the = review. As always, my shorthand notation is Bx where "B" means a "B"ase of "x" = weeks, IMO.=20 LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right SKX - volatile B3 after an unfilled gap up NVR - LLUR MTH - B2 NYCB - B3 AEOS - B2, ragged c&h, weak double bottom? FCFS - B3 PNM - B3 RJR - B3 UCBH - B3 handle on a cup, volume declining PLB - B3 handle on a very shallow cup, at the pivot on declining vol SJT - B4 SYMC - B3, trying to break higher but on light vol DCOM - B3 FIC - B2 EFDS - looks like a young LLUR, with the entry at or close to the 50 = DMA, earnings estimate this year 153% and 41% next year SVRN - B2+ FNFG - B2 FRED - B3+ FLM - B4 MAXS - B2+ CORS - B7 URS - B3 RBNC - B2+, vol below ADV ATK - B3+, wedging down, vol past week mostly below avg DNB - B4 PTV - B3 handle on cup, tried to break the pivot ACAI - B6 FHCC - B3 LLL - double bottom BCF - B3, vol down ICBC - LUR BBX - B3 FFIC OMI - B3+ ZQK - B3 BANR - B2 MTB - B5, lots of insider selling NAUT - B3 Lots of stocks didn't make the list because they were already way = extended. Gains of 20-30% in the past month were common. Several cups = nicely formed just shot right on by the right rim without even = considering the need for a handle. Saw a number of gap ups that were not = filled thus far. Conclusion: there is a considerable need for some = consolidation of the best performing stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C0E2C2.76D6DF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom,
I understand how you screened this list (RS and = EPS of 80=20 or better).  However, if you look at a stock like DNB which has = falling=20 sales and declining earnings, would this cause you to reject it even = though the=20 chart has a nice base and it breaks out?
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:20 PM
To:=20 CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List

Total list this Friday at 279, up from 253. Prior = weeks it=20 totaled 264 and 245.
 
It consists of those = stocks in the=20 Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) that as of Friday had both RS and = EPS of 80=20 or better.  Additionally, they must have been at or within 5% of = the 12=20 month high during the prior week. In my review of this overall list, I = am only=20 focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20
 
This review of the overall list is solely intended = to=20 identify stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON = sourced data,=20 that are showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The = idea is=20 to present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest = they are=20 presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal=20 bias against certain industries is largely ignored in = the=20 review.
 
As always, my shorthand notation is = Bx where=20 "B" means a "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO.
LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper=20 Right
 
SKX - volatile B3 after an unfilled gap = up
NVR - LLUR
MTH - B2
NYCB - B3
AEOS - B2, ragged c&h, weak double = bottom?
FCFS - B3
PNM - B3
RJR - B3
UCBH - B3 handle on a cup, volume = declining
PLB - B3 handle on a very shallow cup, at the = pivot on=20 declining vol
SJT - B4
SYMC - B3, trying to break higher but on light=20 vol
DCOM - B3
FIC - B2
EFDS - looks like a young LLUR, with the entry at = or close=20 to the 50 DMA, earnings estimate this year 153% and 41% next = year
SVRN - B2+
FNFG - B2
FRED - B3+
FLM - B4
MAXS - B2+
CORS - B7
URS - B3
RBNC - B2+, vol below ADV
ATK - B3+, wedging down, vol past week mostly = below=20 avg
DNB - B4
PTV - B3 handle on cup, tried to break the=20 pivot
ACAI - B6
FHCC - B3
LLL - double bottom
BCF - B3, vol down
ICBC - LUR
BBX - B3
FFIC
OMI - B3+
ZQK - B3
BANR - B2
MTB - B5, lots of insider selling
NAUT - B3
 
Lots of stocks didn't make the list because they = were=20 already way extended. Gains of 20-30% in the past month were common. = Several=20 cups nicely formed just shot right on by the right rim without even=20 considering the need for a handle. Saw a number of gap ups that were = not=20 filled thus far. Conclusion: there is a considerable need for some=20 consolidation of the best performing stocks.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C0E2C2.76D6DF20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jsteff" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MNTG Date: 22 May 2001 15:02:25 -0400 Hi Ian, How did you choose $10.20 to get in? Was it because it finally hit $10? Thanks Steff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:53 PM > I finally found it under the '$10 NAZ Stocks' list in IBD. 97 97 and an 'A' > Acc/Dist rating. > > I am in here around $10.20. I really like the way that it is being bought > today. And they have a strong 'N' coming up with the wager being upped from > $2 to $5 in their West VIrginia slots: > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010502/2114.html > > Ian > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joseph Light Subject: [CANSLIM] Omega Radarscreen Date: 22 May 2001 12:08:37 -0400 Rick, There is a very active list that discusses the good & bad aspects of Omega products. List members would be responsive to your questions. You may subscribe by sending request to omega-digest-request@eskimo.com & typing subscribe in the subject line. I'm an Omega product user, but not familiar with Radarscreen. Joseph Light "Anyone familiar with Omega's Radarscreen? Very expensive but seems to be a very powerful realtime screening program. It uses the powerful EasyLanguage." - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 18:10:45 EDT Anna: IBD mentioned CHIC and AMSGA BO yesterday. Both plummeted today. I have a feeling that the institutions sell upon hearing the favorable news in IBD, and then-if they still believe the stock is strong-will buy it back once the weak hands sell out. Notice: Both CHIC and AMSGA (also mentioned in IBD's "General Mkt. Section") have made a strong run-up. So there are lots of weak hands [I surmise] wanting to take profits-this, I believe, is what is happening. For evidence of my belief, look at the volume in the subsequent days. It should become lower, and the stock should trade-after a day or two-in a tight range). That's one indication that the institutions-those who haven't sold-still like it. jans In a message dated 5/22/2001 11:42:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: << What is going with CHIC? Anna >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 18:24:33 EDT Anna: I agree with Tim. The 1st rule of WON (or any good market guru) is to CONSERVE CAPITAL. I believe the institutions are dumping to aquire some profits, and to scare off weak hands; however, I could be wrong. If I am right, you can always buy later (when the volume dwindles and CHIC's range tightens). However, if I am wrong.... Also, stick with the rules you came in with. Don't overanalyze. Keep your capital. There's always another bus. Just my suggestion. jans In a message dated 5/22/2001 12:15:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: << I feel fear. Lots of it. My cost is about 33.80, I had a stop loss below the low of the last pullback @ 32.37. The stock has gone up over 15% so in theory I should not take a loss on it (per WON). On the other hand: My initial stop loss has not been triggered. I cannot find why the stock got downgraded (valuations, reduced earnings? Btw, do you know where I can find this kind of info?) The average trade size is about 380 shares - lots of small people damping. Thompon's site shows institutional buying. The fall happened so fast that at some point it has to rebound (even if for a short while). Decision time... Again, do you know where/how I can find the reasons for downgrade? Anna Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 12:04:59 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com To: canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? You should do what you feel is right. What does WON say? Is there a reason to sell? Is distribution on about avg vol a reason to sell? If I was you, which I am not, I would let my stop do the talking. On 08:44 AM 5/22/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >Oh, I got it - it got downgraded. >So the question now is: what should one do? This seems like an over reactio >to me, but should I argue with M and hold or should I damp NOW? > > >Anna > > > >Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 11:39:54 AM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? > > > >What is going with CHIC? > >Anna > >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: DNB (was Re: [CANSLIM] DGO List) Date: 22 May 2001 18:32:37 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C0E2ED.94243020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't screen the list, per se. It is already a "screened list" = available at DGO. All I do is look at the recent chart formation, and = mention those I think have a constructive pattern making them worth = watching. I emphasize that I am not doing any due diligence on the = stocks I post. In the case of DNB, I would agree that sales growth is essentially zero, = but earnings are not declining. DGO shows the last four qtrs as up 21%, = 12%, 16% and 12%. While that is not bad for a big cap stock (market cap = is 2.25 billion), it is not a good sign that it can continue since it is = being done without sales growth. It is ahead of this year's forecast of = 10% growth, suggesting that it will slow further. More significantly it = is well under its 5 year history of 72%. I don't even consider a stock for my watch list unless it is either = forecast for, or has shown a history of, a minimum of 20% earnings = growth. And it's most recent history must show me that any forecast is = realistic and achievable. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO List Tom, I understand how you screened this list (RS and EPS of 80 or better). = However, if you look at a stock like DNB which has falling sales and = declining earnings, would this cause you to reject it even though the = chart has a nice base and it breaks out? Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:20 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List Total list this Friday at 279, up from 253. Prior weeks it totaled = 264 and 245. It consists of those stocks in the Daily Graphs books (roughly = 2,800) that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or better. = Additionally, they must have been at or within 5% of the 12 month high = during the prior week. In my review of this overall list, I am only = focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20 This review of the overall list is solely intended to identify = stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, = that are showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is = to present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they = are presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal bias against certain industries is largely ignored in the = review. As always, my shorthand notation is Bx where "B" means a "B"ase of = "x" weeks, IMO.=20 LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right =20 SKX - volatile B3 after an unfilled gap up NVR - LLUR MTH - B2 NYCB - B3 AEOS - B2, ragged c&h, weak double bottom? FCFS - B3 PNM - B3 RJR - B3 UCBH - B3 handle on a cup, volume declining PLB - B3 handle on a very shallow cup, at the pivot on declining vol SJT - B4 SYMC - B3, trying to break higher but on light vol DCOM - B3 FIC - B2 EFDS - looks like a young LLUR, with the entry at or close to the 50 = DMA, earnings estimate this year 153% and 41% next year SVRN - B2+ FNFG - B2 FRED - B3+ FLM - B4 MAXS - B2+ CORS - B7 URS - B3 RBNC - B2+, vol below ADV ATK - B3+, wedging down, vol past week mostly below avg DNB - B4 PTV - B3 handle on cup, tried to break the pivot ACAI - B6 FHCC - B3 LLL - double bottom BCF - B3, vol down ICBC - LUR BBX - B3 FFIC OMI - B3+ ZQK - B3 BANR - B2 MTB - B5, lots of insider selling NAUT - B3 Lots of stocks didn't make the list because they were already way = extended. Gains of 20-30% in the past month were common. Several cups = nicely formed just shot right on by the right rim without even = considering the need for a handle. Saw a number of gap ups that were not = filled thus far. Conclusion: there is a considerable need for some = consolidation of the best performing stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C0E2ED.94243020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't screen the list, per se. It is already a = "screened=20 list" available at DGO. All I do is look at the recent chart formation, = and=20 mention those I think have a constructive pattern making them worth = watching. I=20 emphasize that I am not doing any due diligence on the stocks I=20 post.
 
In the case of DNB, I would agree that sales growth = is=20 essentially zero, but earnings are not declining. DGO shows the last = four qtrs=20 as up 21%, 12%, 16% and 12%. While that is not bad for a big cap stock = (market=20 cap is 2.25 billion), it is not a good sign that it can continue since = it is=20 being done without sales growth. It is ahead of this year's forecast of = 10%=20 growth, suggesting that it will slow further. More significantly it is = well=20 under its 5 year history of 72%.
 
I don't even consider a stock for my watch list = unless it is=20 either forecast for, or has shown a history of, a minimum of 20% = earnings=20 growth. And it's most recent history must show me that any forecast is = realistic=20 and achievable.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Parsons
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 = 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO = List

Tom,
I understand how you screened this = list (RS and=20 EPS of 80 or better).  However, if you look at a stock like DNB = which has=20 falling sales and declining earnings, would this cause you to reject = it even=20 though the chart has a nice base and it breaks=20 out?
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:20 = PM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO=20 List

Total list this Friday at 279, up from 253. = Prior weeks it=20 totaled 264 and 245.
 
It consists of = those stocks in=20 the Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) that as of Friday had both RS = and EPS=20 of 80 or better.  Additionally, they must have been at or = within 5% of=20 the 12 month high during the prior week. In my review of this = overall list,=20 I am only focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20
 
This review of the overall list is solely = intended to=20 identify stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON = sourced=20 data, that are showing some kind of constructive chart = formation. The=20 idea is to present some candidates for member's watch list, not to = suggest=20 they are presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been = done. My own=20 personal bias against certain industries is largely = ignored in=20 the review.
 
As always, my shorthand notation = is Bx where=20 "B" means a "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO.
LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper=20 Right
 
SKX - volatile B3 after an unfilled gap = up
NVR - LLUR
MTH - B2
NYCB - B3
AEOS - B2, ragged c&h, weak double=20 bottom?
FCFS - B3
PNM - B3
RJR - B3
UCBH - B3 handle on a cup, volume = declining
PLB - B3 handle on a very shallow cup, at the = pivot on=20 declining vol
SJT - B4
SYMC - B3, trying to break higher but on light=20 vol
DCOM - B3
FIC - B2
EFDS - looks like a young LLUR, with the entry = at or close=20 to the 50 DMA, earnings estimate this year 153% and 41% next=20 year
SVRN - B2+
FNFG - B2
FRED - B3+
FLM - B4
MAXS - B2+
CORS - B7
URS - B3
RBNC - B2+, vol below ADV
ATK - B3+, wedging down, vol past week mostly = below=20 avg
DNB - B4
PTV - B3 handle on cup, tried to break the=20 pivot
ACAI - B6
FHCC - B3
LLL - double bottom
BCF - B3, vol down
ICBC - LUR
BBX - B3
FFIC
OMI - B3+
ZQK - B3
BANR - B2
MTB - B5, lots of insider selling
NAUT - B3
 
Lots of stocks didn't make the list because they = were=20 already way extended. Gains of 20-30% in the past month were common. = Several=20 cups nicely formed just shot right on by the right rim without even=20 considering the need for a handle. Saw a number of gap ups that were = not=20 filled thus far. Conclusion: there is a considerable need for some=20 consolidation of the best performing stocks.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C0E2ED.94243020-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "The Curry's" Subject: Analyst up/downgrades (formerly[CANSLIM] chic?) Date: 22 May 2001 17:49:42 -0500 Patrick, I feel the same way. I don't think analysts are taken seriously for the most part. After all, they usually have a vested interest in the stock they are analyzing. They can make a profit either way - on an upgrade or downgrade. Anyone else have thoughts on this? --Patti ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:51 AM > On 22 May 01, at 12:14, asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > Decision time... Again, do you know where/how I can find the reasons for > > downgrade? > > I wouldn't advise you on whether or not to sell, but - a downgrade is > no reason to sell, an upgrade is no reason to buy. I've watched > those analyst guys at work for years and I've decided the best thing > to do is ignore them as much as possible. I've posted an analyst > bashing article or two here before. If you want your eyes opened a > bit, find the issue of Fortune magazine from the last few weeks > which had an analyst on the cover (forget her name) who covered > the internet stocks. Not a pretty picture. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Date: 22 May 2001 19:01:23 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C0E2F1.98BEA300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick, Over the years, I have found that very few people are truly suited for = sitting in front of a monitor all day long, day after day. I did it for = over 7 years and, while I enjoyed it, I would not want to be doing that = again. When I am off for a day or two, I will do so. But I got 2 weeks = vacation starting next week, and intend to go sailing every day if Ma = Nature permits. I had three hours of meetings today, the first started for one hour at = 9:30 AM, just as the market opened and EPIQ had news that would = undoubtedly knock it down. I had already read the news well before the = opening, and adjusted my stop limit up again to less than 2% trailing = for what proved to be a last time. Exited a quarter position over $8 = higher than when I began to use hard stops, and more than 30% higher = than my original recent target price. Did it while I was in a meeting = with management. That is one answer for how to handle trading stocks = without sitting in front of a monitor. You can do the same thing on the = buy side, and only have to trust that the volume will accompany a move = thru the pivot. Because I do not have the time at work to watch stocks on my "hot" list, = I usually cheat and buy them while they are still basing. I usually get = them below the pivot as a result, altho some never break out either. I = also use a buy limit around the pivot, or lower, after I see them break = out on volume. Some back up a little and fill my order (last week one = filled, one wouldn't budge so I raised the limit 20 cents, and filled 10 = cents under my new limit, still don't understand that good fortune, but = both in the money this week). I usually have 15-20 stocks on my active watch list, but rarely is more = than one or two poised for an imminent breakout. If I happen to be off = work, or at work but it is slow, I try to watch them using = FreeRealTime.com. I have always found that the Mark 1 Mod 0 human brain, = when hyperlinked up with the same version of the human eyeball, is = better than any software package. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Steve, Actually my "job" is investing my nest egg from my home. So I have = the time to monitor the market. Many times I see comments posted on this board stating that a stock = shot thru the pivot point and it was too far extended to catch it. So = it seems as if we would need some good realtime alerts. =20 If my message troubles you, then the reverse is true for me: Your = message seems to indicate that you can find and buy CANLIM stocks on a = timely basis (near the pivot point) without fancy software or monitoring = the market all day. How do you do it? =20 Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of SKutney@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:04 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Your message troubles me because I don't feel that you need any of = these=20 tools to buy stocks using CANSLIM. I use investors.com along with a = once and=20 while subscription to Daily Graphs. How can these other software = packages be=20 useful if you need to work all day on a regular type job?=20 Steve=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C0E2F1.98BEA300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick,
 
Over the years, I have found that very few people = are truly=20 suited for sitting in front of a monitor all day long, day after day. I = did it=20 for over 7 years and, while I enjoyed it, I would not want to be doing = that=20 again. When I am off for a day or two, I will do so. But I got 2 weeks = vacation=20 starting next week, and intend to go sailing every day if Ma Nature=20 permits.
 
I had three hours of meetings today, the first = started for one=20 hour at 9:30 AM, just as the market opened and EPIQ had news that would=20 undoubtedly knock it down. I had already read the news well before the = opening,=20 and adjusted my stop limit up again to less than 2% trailing for what = proved to=20 be a last time. Exited a quarter position over $8 higher than when I = began to=20 use hard stops, and more than 30% higher than my original recent target = price.=20 Did it while I was in a meeting with management.  That is one = answer for=20 how to handle trading stocks without sitting in front of a = monitor.  You=20 can do the same thing on the buy side, and only have to trust that the = volume=20 will accompany a move thru the pivot.
 
Because I do not have the time at work to watch = stocks on my=20 "hot" list, I usually cheat and buy them while they are still basing. I = usually=20 get them below the pivot as a result, altho some never break out = either.  I=20 also use a buy limit around the pivot, or lower, after I see them break = out on=20 volume. Some back up a little and fill my order (last week one filled, = one=20 wouldn't budge so I raised the limit 20 cents, and filled 10 cents under = my new=20 limit, still don't understand that good fortune, but both in the money = this=20 week).
 
I usually have 15-20 stocks on my active watch list, = but=20 rarely is more than one or two poised for an imminent breakout. If I = happen to=20 be off work, or at work but it is slow, I try to watch them using=20 FreeRealTime.com. I have always found that the Mark 1 Mod 0 = human brain,=20 when hyperlinked up with the same version of the human eyeball, is = better than=20 any software package.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Parsons
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 = 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] The = Right Software=20 Tools

Steve,
Actually my "job" is investing my nest = egg from my=20 home.  So I have the time to monitor the=20 market.
Many times I see comments posted on = this board=20 stating that a stock shot thru the pivot point and it was too=20 far extended to catch it.  So it seems as if we would need = some good=20 realtime alerts.
 
If my message troubles you, then the reverse is true = for=20 me:  Your message seems to indicate that you can find and buy = CANLIM=20 stocks on a timely basis (near the pivot point) without fancy software = or=20 monitoring the market all day.  How do you do=20 it?
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 SKutney@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:04=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 The Right Software Tools

Your message troubles me = because I don't=20 feel that you need any of these
tools to buy stocks using = CANSLIM. I use=20 investors.com along with a once and
while subscription to Daily = Graphs.=20 How can these other software packages be
useful if you need to = work all=20 day on a regular type job?

Steve=20
------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C0E2F1.98BEA300-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: Analyst up/downgrades (formerly[CANSLIM] chic?) Date: 22 May 2001 19:12:50 -0400 Hi Patti, I have done my ranting and raving about analysts periodically. I particularly have a problem with the ones that downgrade a stock because it reached their 12 month target in only six months or so. Instead of claiming bragging rights, they downgrade as if to lock in their success. I would think instead they should be reexamining their model and analysis to see if they set the target too low. Analysts that work for major wirehouses definitely have a bias, altho I believe most try to protect themselves against this and be realistic. I doubt even today that many analysts are being compensated by their employer based on whether they are right or wrong. On the other hand, in the bull pen where the actual retail brokers work, each morning they are subjected to conference calls by their firm, telling them what stocks are being upgraded or downgraded by the tame house analysts that morning. Gives them an excuse to get on the phone to their clients holding whatever is being downgraded and tell them to sell it and buy what is being upgraded. Net effect, generates commissions. Unfortunately, too many of those retail brokers cannot think for themselves, but collectively, along with the house funds, can control huge volume of the shares, thus being the self fulfilling prophecy of the analyst. And the wirehouse often puts pressure on the individual broker to comply with what his house is recommending. An analyst's downgrade due to reaching a target price is disregarded by me. One based on a deterioration of fundamentals is worth reading. I don't always agree with the analyst's conclusions, but I respect the fact that they have the time, and are being paid, to do the detailed comparisons and analysis that I cannot do. I also do not like the mealy mouthed words they use to downgrade. If they mean, "sell this sucker at whatever price you can get", then say so, don't tell me it is a long term buy, or a speculative buy, or a "hold", whatever that means. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 6:49 PM Patrick, I feel the same way. I don't think analysts are taken seriously for the most part. After all, they usually have a vested interest in the stock they are analyzing. They can make a profit either way - on an upgrade or downgrade. Anyone else have thoughts on this? --Patti ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:51 AM > On 22 May 01, at 12:14, asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > Decision time... Again, do you know where/how I can find the reasons for > > downgrade? > > I wouldn't advise you on whether or not to sell, but - a downgrade is > no reason to sell, an upgrade is no reason to buy. I've watched > those analyst guys at work for years and I've decided the best thing > to do is ignore them as much as possible. I've posted an analyst > bashing article or two here before. If you want your eyes opened a > bit, find the issue of Fortune magazine from the last few weeks > which had an analyst on the cover (forget her name) who covered > the internet stocks. Not a pretty picture. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MNTG Date: 22 May 2001 19:26:18 -0400 Altho the forecasts are calling for a 53% increase in earnings this year, the 1st qtr results do not support this. The past 4 qtrs have been essentially flat to down on earnings, but since they were against easy comparisons, show high percentage growth. Won't be so easy for the next 4 qtrs. If they earn the same in Q2 as in Q1, not only will they be behind the 8 ball to meet full year forecasts, they will also show zero growth. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:53 PM I finally found it under the '$10 NAZ Stocks' list in IBD. 97 97 and an 'A' Acc/Dist rating. I am in here around $10.20. I really like the way that it is being bought today. And they have a strong 'N' coming up with the wager being upped from $2 to $5 in their West VIrginia slots: http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010502/2114.html Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] penn Date: 22 May 2001 19:31:09 -0400 and earnings are shrinking rapidly on substantially increased sales Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:58 AM YES On 06:48 AM 5/22/01, BIKEAR@aol.com Said: >Is penn too extended to buy into Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anna Sosis Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 16:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Thank you everyone for the suggestions. --- Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > Anna: > > IBD mentioned CHIC and AMSGA BO yesterday. > Both plummeted today. I > have a feeling that the institutions sell upon > hearing the favorable news in > IBD, and then-if they still believe the stock is > strong-will buy it back once > the weak hands sell out. > > Notice: Both CHIC and AMSGA (also mentioned in > IBD's "General Mkt. > Section") have made a strong run-up. So there are > lots of weak hands [I > surmise] wanting to take profits-this, I believe, is > what is happening. For > evidence of my belief, look at the volume in the > subsequent days. It should > become lower, and the stock should trade-after a day > or two-in a tight > range). That's one indication that the > institutions-those who haven't > sold-still like it. > > jans > > > In a message dated 5/22/2001 11:42:48 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: > > << What is going with CHIC? > > Anna >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anna Sosis Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 16:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Thank you everyone for the suggestions. --- Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > Anna: > > IBD mentioned CHIC and AMSGA BO yesterday. > Both plummeted today. I > have a feeling that the institutions sell upon > hearing the favorable news in > IBD, and then-if they still believe the stock is > strong-will buy it back once > the weak hands sell out. > > Notice: Both CHIC and AMSGA (also mentioned in > IBD's "General Mkt. > Section") have made a strong run-up. So there are > lots of weak hands [I > surmise] wanting to take profits-this, I believe, is > what is happening. For > evidence of my belief, look at the volume in the > subsequent days. It should > become lower, and the stock should trade-after a day > or two-in a tight > range). That's one indication that the > institutions-those who haven't > sold-still like it. > > jans > > > In a message dated 5/22/2001 11:42:48 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: > > << What is going with CHIC? > > Anna >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? Date: 22 May 2001 19:40:37 -0400 A trailing 15% stop, depending on how you were applying it, looks like it would have taken you out today. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:04 PM You should do what you feel is right. What does WON say? Is there a reason to sell? Is distribution on about avg vol a reason to sell? If I was you, which I am not, I would let my stop do the talking. On 08:44 AM 5/22/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >Oh, I got it - it got downgraded. >So the question now is: what should one do? This seems like an over reactio >to me, but should I argue with M and hold or should I damp NOW? > > >Anna > > > >Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 11:39:54 AM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? > > > >What is going with CHIC? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MNTG Date: 22 May 2001 17:29:29 -0700 I wanted it to clear the previous high (around $9.70), as well as clear $10. I watched it test $10 again today after being at $10.25 earlier. I have been watching it for a while, and I like their outlook and numbers. I typically wait for 2 things: i - Clearing resistance (turn the mood of the shareholders from fear to greed) ii - A substantial increase in volume on block buying (institutional/trader interest) I admit that I would have been much happier if the resistance level was well over $10, as my experience tells me that $12 offers some of the best risk/reward from a breakout. I don't have any statistics to prove this, but I have seen it a lot of times, and the $12-$14 breakout level definitely seems to show an acceleration of fund ownership. Breaking out right at $10 carries much more risk, IMHO. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:02 PM > Hi Ian, > How did you choose $10.20 to get in? Was it because it finally hit $10? > Thanks > Steff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:53 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] MNTG > > > > I finally found it under the '$10 NAZ Stocks' list in IBD. 97 97 and an > 'A' > > Acc/Dist rating. > > > > I am in here around $10.20. I really like the way that it is being bought > > today. And they have a strong 'N' coming up with the wager being upped > from > > $2 to $5 in their West VIrginia slots: > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010502/2114.html > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic holders - if any of you are still there - news search source Date: 22 May 2001 19:15:25 -0500 You can try this news search source. It has proven very good for me. http://www.quicken.com/investments/news/story/djbn/?story=3D/news/stories= /dj/2 0010522/BT20010522004700.htm&symbol=3DCHIC Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:23 AM Ok. Here's the reason: valuation. It took a few hours for this to filte= r to yahoo and microsoft site. Does anyone know a faster way to find the reason for downgrades/upgrades? Thank you. NEW YORK, May 22 (Reuters) - Robertson Stephens retail analyst Janet Kloppenberg said on Tuesday she had cut her investment rating on women's apparel retailer Charlotte Russe (CHIC) to market perform fro= m buy. She said in a research note the sales and earnings outlook for the company remained robust, and believed its stock price currently reflected near-term upside on its earnings per share. She added the stock was now also more attractive for longer-term investors. ``Our downgrade is based purely on the shares' current high valuation relative to the company's 30 percent projected secular growth rate an= d to our specialty apparel retail peer group's average multiple,'' she added. Shares of Charlotte Russe ended Monday up 5.81 percent, or $2.15, at $39.15 on the Nasdaq market. =A9 2001 Reuters Anna Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 12:14:29 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I feel fear. Lots of it. My cost is about 33.80, I had a stop loss below the low of the last pullback @ 32.37. The stock has gone up over 15% so in theory I should n= ot take a loss on it (per WON). On the other hand: My initial stop loss has not been triggered. I cannot find why the stock got downgraded (valuations, reduced earnings? Btw, do you know where I can find this kind of info?) The average trade size is about 380 shares - lots of small people dampin= g. Thompon's site shows institutional buying. The fall happened so fast that at some point it has to rebound (even if for a short while). Decision time... Again, do you know where/how I can find the reasons for downgrade? Anna Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 12:04:59 = PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: You should do what you feel is right. What does WON say? Is there a reaso= n to sell? Is distribution on about avg vol a reason to sell? If I was you, which I am not, I would let my stop do the talking. On 08:44 AM 5/22/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >Oh, I got it - it got downgraded. >So the question now is: what should one do? This seems like an over reactio >to me, but should I argue with M and hold or should I damp NOW? > > >Anna > > > >Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 11:39:54 A= M > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? > > > >What is going with CHIC? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: Analyst up/downgrades (formerly[CANSLIM] chic?) Date: 22 May 2001 20:27:13 EDT Tom: What is the difference (as mentioned in your post) between a "wirehouse" and a "broker" giving a downgrade or upgrade? Will they ever differ in their opinion on a stock? And do each have employees who are stock analysts? I'm speaking specifically of the last few sentences in your second paragraph: "Unfortunately, too many of those retail brokers cannot think for themselves, but collectively, along with the house funds, can control huge volume of the shares, thus being the self fulfilling prophecy of the analyst. And the wirehouse often puts pressure on the individual broker to comply with what his house is recommending. Your last paragraph is on the mark-and funny. I guess that means we Canslimmers can expect no "long term buys" or "holds" from Tom. jans In a message dated 5/22/2001 7:15:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Hi Patti, I have done my ranting and raving about analysts periodically. I particularly have a problem with the ones that downgrade a stock because it reached their 12 month target in only six months or so. Instead of claiming bragging rights, they downgrade as if to lock in their success. I would think instead they should be reexamining their model and analysis to see if they set the target too low. Analysts that work for major wirehouses definitely have a bias, altho I believe most try to protect themselves against this and be realistic. I doubt even today that many analysts are being compensated by their employer based on whether they are right or wrong. On the other hand, in the bull pen where the actual retail brokers work, each morning they are subjected to conference calls by their firm, telling them what stocks are being upgraded or downgraded by the tame house analysts that morning. Gives them an excuse to get on the phone to their clients holding whatever is being downgraded and tell them to sell it and buy what is being upgraded. Net effect, generates commissions. Unfortunately, too many of those retail brokers cannot think for themselves, but collectively, along with the house funds, can control huge volume of the shares, thus being the self fulfilling prophecy of the analyst. And the wirehouse often puts pressure on the individual broker to comply with what his house is recommending. An analyst's downgrade due to reaching a target price is disregarded by me. One based on a deterioration of fundamentals is worth reading. I don't always agree with the analyst's conclusions, but I respect the fact that they have the time, and are being paid, to do the detailed comparisons and analysis that I cannot do. I also do not like the mealy mouthed words they use to downgrade. If they mean, "sell this sucker at whatever price you can get", then say so, don't tell me it is a long term buy, or a speculative buy, or a "hold", whatever that means. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Oken" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic holders - if any of you are still there Date: 22 May 2001 17:31:56 -0700 I don't know if this helps but a few years ago I was holding Buckle and i= t got downgraded and dropped and I sold. It then went on to double from the= re before peaking. Only one example. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:23 AM Ok. Here's the reason: valuation. It took a few hours for this to filte= r to yahoo and microsoft site. Does anyone know a faster way to find the reason for downgrades/upgrades? Thank you. NEW YORK, May 22 (Reuters) - Robertson Stephens retail analyst Janet Kloppenberg said on Tuesday she had cut her investment rating on women's apparel retailer Charlotte Russe (CHIC) to market perform fro= m buy. She said in a research note the sales and earnings outlook for the company remained robust, and believed its stock price currently reflected near-term upside on its earnings per share. She added the stock was now also more attractive for longer-term investors. ``Our downgrade is based purely on the shares' current high valuation relative to the company's 30 percent projected secular growth rate an= d to our specialty apparel retail peer group's average multiple,'' she added. Shares of Charlotte Russe ended Monday up 5.81 percent, or $2.15, at $39.15 on the Nasdaq market. =A9 2001 Reuters Anna Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 12:14:29 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I feel fear. Lots of it. My cost is about 33.80, I had a stop loss below the low of the last pullback @ 32.37. The stock has gone up over 15% so in theory I should n= ot take a loss on it (per WON). On the other hand: My initial stop loss has not been triggered. I cannot find why the stock got downgraded (valuations, reduced earnings? Btw, do you know where I can find this kind of info?) The average trade size is about 380 shares - lots of small people dampin= g. Thompon's site shows institutional buying. The fall happened so fast that at some point it has to rebound (even if for a short while). Decision time... Again, do you know where/how I can find the reasons for downgrade? Anna Tim Fisher @lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 12:04:59 = PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: You should do what you feel is right. What does WON say? Is there a reaso= n to sell? Is distribution on about avg vol a reason to sell? If I was you, which I am not, I would let my stop do the talking. On 08:44 AM 5/22/01, asosis@ca.ibm.com Said: >Oh, I got it - it got downgraded. >So the question now is: what should one do? This seems like an over reactio >to me, but should I argue with M and hold or should I damp NOW? > > >Anna > > > >Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/22/2001 11:39:54 A= M > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? > > > >What is going with CHIC? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] penn Date: 22 May 2001 20:38:56 EDT Tom: Did you notice that in Sept/2000 sales were 48 million and in Dec/2000 they were 92 million. Meanwhile the increase in earnings was only 1 cent in the same period (from 19 to 20 cents). What is happening to their profit margin? Makes you wonder how come DG gives them an SMR rating of "A". I guess the ROE of 26% helps a lot. jans In a message dated 5/22/2001 7:34:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << and earnings are shrinking rapidly on substantially increased sales Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: Analyst up/downgrades (formerly[CANSLIM] chic?) Date: 22 May 2001 17:41:58 -0700 (PDT) In my opinion, sell side analysts, that is analysts that work for brogkerage houses, make recommendations that border on being unethical and I wonder why the SEC has not probed more into the work they do. It is generally accepted that analysts that do not give postive, or at a least not negative assessments are excluded from dealing with or speaking with the companies that they follow. When at any time the number of 'buy' recommendations exceed 90% of the stocks that are followed, one has to be suspect of the system. Analyst recommendations are the last thing I would look at in considering a stock. My opinion of analyst recommendations is high compared to the talking heads on CNBC. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Hi Patti, > > I have done my ranting and raving about analysts > periodically. I > particularly have a problem with the ones that > downgrade a stock > because it reached their 12 month target in only six > months or > so. Instead of claiming bragging rights, they > downgrade as if to > lock in their success. I would think instead they > should be > reexamining their model and analysis to see if they > set the > target too low. > > Analysts that work for major wirehouses definitely > have a bias, > altho I believe most try to protect themselves > against this and > be realistic. I doubt even today that many analysts > are being > compensated by their employer based on whether they > are right or > wrong. On the other hand, in the bull pen where the > actual retail > brokers work, each morning they are subjected to > conference calls > by their firm, telling them what stocks are being > upgraded or > downgraded by the tame house analysts that morning. > Gives them an > excuse to get on the phone to their clients holding > whatever is > being downgraded and tell them to sell it and buy > what is being > upgraded. Net effect, generates commissions. > Unfortunately, too > many of those retail brokers cannot think for > themselves, but > collectively, along with the house funds, can > control huge volume > of the shares, thus being the self fulfilling > prophecy of the > analyst. And the wirehouse often puts pressure on > the individual > broker to comply with what his house is > recommending. > > An analyst's downgrade due to reaching a target > price is > disregarded by me. One based on a deterioration of > fundamentals > is worth reading. I don't always agree with the > analyst's > conclusions, but I respect the fact that they have > the time, and > are being paid, to do the detailed comparisons and > analysis that > I cannot do. > > I also do not like the mealy mouthed words they use > to downgrade. > If they mean, "sell this sucker at whatever price > you can get", > then say so, don't tell me it is a long term buy, or > a > speculative buy, or a "hold", whatever that means. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: The Curry's > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 6:49 PM > Subject: Analyst up/downgrades (formerly[CANSLIM] > chic?) > > > Patrick, I feel the same way. I don't think > analysts are taken > seriously > for the most part. After all, they usually have a > vested > interest in the > stock they are analyzing. They can make a profit > either way - on > an upgrade > or downgrade. > > Anyone else have thoughts on this? > > --Patti > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Wahl" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:51 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] chic? > > > > On 22 May 01, at 12:14, asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > Decision time... Again, do you know where/how I > can find the > reasons for > > > downgrade? > > > > > I wouldn't advise you on whether or not to sell, > but - a > downgrade is > > no reason to sell, an upgrade is no reason to buy. > I've > watched > > those analyst guys at work for years and I've > decided the best > thing > > to do is ignore them as much as possible. I've > posted an > analyst > > bashing article or two here before. If you want > your eyes > opened a > > bit, find the issue of Fortune magazine from the > last few weeks > > which had an analyst on the cover (forget her > name) who covered > > the internet stocks. Not a pretty picture. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MNTG Date: 22 May 2001 17:29:29 -0700 I wanted it to clear the previous high (around $9.70), as well as clear $10. I watched it test $10 again today after being at $10.25 earlier. I have been watching it for a while, and I like their outlook and numbers. I typically wait for 2 things: i - Clearing resistance (turn the mood of the shareholders from fear to greed) ii - A substantial increase in volume on block buying (institutional/trader interest) I admit that I would have been much happier if the resistance level was well over $10, as my experience tells me that $12 offers some of the best risk/reward from a breakout. I don't have any statistics to prove this, but I have seen it a lot of times, and the $12-$14 breakout level definitely seems to show an acceleration of fund ownership. Breaking out right at $10 carries much more risk, IMHO. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:02 PM > Hi Ian, > How did you choose $10.20 to get in? Was it because it finally hit $10? > Thanks > Steff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:53 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] MNTG > > > > I finally found it under the '$10 NAZ Stocks' list in IBD. 97 97 and an > 'A' > > Acc/Dist rating. > > > > I am in here around $10.20. I really like the way that it is being bought > > today. And they have a strong 'N' coming up with the wager being upped > from > > $2 to $5 in their West VIrginia slots: > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010502/2114.html > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] penn Date: 22 May 2001 21:11:21 -0400 It's all in how the site you use counts the numbers. DGO attempts to exclude any non-recurring financial events, which I support, as it gives you a clearer picture of the continuing core business. At DGO, the Sept/Dec comparisons are sales of 87.8 mio vs 91.9, and 39 cents vs 20, an even more dramatic trend than what you mention. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:38 PM Tom: Did you notice that in Sept/2000 sales were 48 million and in Dec/2000 they were 92 million. Meanwhile the increase in earnings was only 1 cent in the same period (from 19 to 20 cents). What is happening to their profit margin? Makes you wonder how come DG gives them an SMR rating of "A". I guess the ROE of 26% helps a lot. jans In a message dated 5/22/2001 7:34:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << and earnings are shrinking rapidly on substantially increased sales Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MNTG Date: 22 May 2001 17:29:29 -0700 I wanted it to clear the previous high (around $9.70), as well as clear $10. I watched it test $10 again today after being at $10.25 earlier. I have been watching it for a while, and I like their outlook and numbers. I typically wait for 2 things: i - Clearing resistance (turn the mood of the shareholders from fear to greed) ii - A substantial increase in volume on block buying (institutional/trader interest) I admit that I would have been much happier if the resistance level was well over $10, as my experience tells me that $12 offers some of the best risk/reward from a breakout. I don't have any statistics to prove this, but I have seen it a lot of times, and the $12-$14 breakout level definitely seems to show an acceleration of fund ownership. Breaking out right at $10 carries much more risk, IMHO. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:02 PM > Hi Ian, > How did you choose $10.20 to get in? Was it because it finally hit $10? > Thanks > Steff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ian" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:53 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] MNTG > > > > I finally found it under the '$10 NAZ Stocks' list in IBD. 97 97 and an > 'A' > > Acc/Dist rating. > > > > I am in here around $10.20. I really like the way that it is being bought > > today. And they have a strong 'N' coming up with the wager being upped > from > > $2 to $5 in their West VIrginia slots: > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010502/2114.html > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: Analyst up/downgrades (formerly[CANSLIM] chic?) Date: 22 May 2001 21:25:33 -0400 Technically, the "broker" is actually the firm and the individual holding the principal's license. What we tend to call "brokers" (and there's a real irony in that, since some investors still let them handle their personal funds), are also referred to in the trade as Registered Representatives, or RRs. A wirehouse is a major brokerage, such as Merrill Lynch, Smith Barney (a name soon to disappear except in the retail circuit), Dean Witter (another name soon to disappear), etc. When a "broker" gives a downgrade or upgrade, he is typically talking to an individual client. When a firm, or a firm's analyst, does the same he is talking to potentially thousands of retail brokers, as well as the managers of any house funds. And yes, there are still some surviving brokers that will go counter to their firm's opinions. WON did this many years ago, and look where he is today, even tho it caused problems with his employer at the time. No long term buy recommendations from me?? Gee, I thought I did that about nine months ago on EPIQ? Or was it nearly two years ago? Seems the short term memory is the first to go, I guess. But one thing you should know by now, if I suggest a hold, then that's what I mean. If I think a stock is a stinker, then I call a sell a sell, without hedging the words. And that's not bashing the stock, just speaking my opinion. But I cannot tell any individual what they should do, since I don't know their objectives, risk tolerance, financial status, etc. That's a decision they must make on their own, or hire a full service "broke"r to make for them. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 8:27 PM Tom: What is the difference (as mentioned in your post) between a "wirehouse" and a "broker" giving a downgrade or upgrade? Will they ever differ in their opinion on a stock? And do each have employees who are stock analysts? I'm speaking specifically of the last few sentences in your second paragraph: "Unfortunately, too many of those retail brokers cannot think for themselves, but collectively, along with the house funds, can control huge volume of the shares, thus being the self fulfilling prophecy of the analyst. And the wirehouse often puts pressure on the individual broker to comply with what his house is recommending. Your last paragraph is on the mark-and funny. I guess that means we Canslimmers can expect no "long term buys" or "holds" from Tom. jans In a message dated 5/22/2001 7:15:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Hi Patti, I have done my ranting and raving about analysts periodically. I particularly have a problem with the ones that downgrade a stock because it reached their 12 month target in only six months or so. Instead of claiming bragging rights, they downgrade as if to lock in their success. I would think instead they should be reexamining their model and analysis to see if they set the target too low. Analysts that work for major wirehouses definitely have a bias, altho I believe most try to protect themselves against this and be realistic. I doubt even today that many analysts are being compensated by their employer based on whether they are right or wrong. On the other hand, in the bull pen where the actual retail brokers work, each morning they are subjected to conference calls by their firm, telling them what stocks are being upgraded or downgraded by the tame house analysts that morning. Gives them an excuse to get on the phone to their clients holding whatever is being downgraded and tell them to sell it and buy what is being upgraded. Net effect, generates commissions. Unfortunately, too many of those retail brokers cannot think for themselves, but collectively, along with the house funds, can control huge volume of the shares, thus being the self fulfilling prophecy of the analyst. And the wirehouse often puts pressure on the individual broker to comply with what his house is recommending. An analyst's downgrade due to reaching a target price is disregarded by me. One based on a deterioration of fundamentals is worth reading. I don't always agree with the analyst's conclusions, but I respect the fact that they have the time, and are being paid, to do the detailed comparisons and analysis that I cannot do. I also do not like the mealy mouthed words they use to downgrade. If they mean, "sell this sucker at whatever price you can get", then say so, don't tell me it is a long term buy, or a speculative buy, or a "hold", whatever that means. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: [CANSLIM] test Date: 23 May 2001 08:53:45 +0700 test - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO Date: 23 May 2001 08:55:27 +0700 "High" tight flag was never mentioned in the original message; just flag. It looks like a classic pennant formation to me. Can't say that I see any wedging. Peter At 09:12 AM 5/22/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I call this a bear wedge, not an HTF. High, meaning at the high, tight, >meaning extremely tight trading range, also I like volume to dry up >compared to the run up. None of these applies to COCO, except vol is >slowly drifting down to avg. HTFs are flat. Again, look at PENN - >virtually the same high, low, open and close, all within a few tenths of a >point range, for 4 days. Not lower highs and the same lows with a 3-5 >point range. A bear wedge has a downward drift to it, which is what I >think this is. > >On 08:55 AM 5/22/01, Patrick Wahl Said: >>I guess we have different definitions. I looked again, and I see an >>initial move up (5/15 and 5/16, the flag pole), and then I see 3 days >>with lower highs, but lows near the same level, which is the >>beginning of a flag or pennant. You may want to see it consolidate >>for another couple days, but I don't know what else to call this >>formation at this stage of development anyway. I was under the >>impression a wedge has an upward drift to it. >> >>On 22 May 01, at 4:44, Tim Fisher wrote: >> >> > Definitely not an HTF. Look at PENN for another great HTF that I bot off >> > of. Compare that to COCO the past few days. This is a wedge, and I don't >> > like it. I want out, because of the news (APOL got a federal slap on the >> > wrist). I guess I will let my initial stop take me out but I don't >> like the >> > entire group right now, like I didn't like the homebuilders a week ago >> when >> > most were at all time highs... >> > >> > At 10:38 PM 5/21/2001 -0600, you wrote: >> > >Anyone else see a flag forming in COCO? It was mentioned here >> > >last week by someone (Tim?), looks like it could be setting up a >> > >good opportunity to enter again. >> > > >> > >- >> > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > >> > Tim Fisher >> > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >> > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >> > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >> > WWW http://OreRockOn.com >> > >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO Date: 23 May 2001 09:07:47 +0700 Using Bill O'neil's definition, PENN couldn't be classified as a "high" tight flag. A HTF should be up "100% to 120% in a very short period of time (four to eight weeks) and then corrects sideways, usually in three, four, or five weeks". I don't see those kind of % moves in PENN. Peter At 09:12 AM 5/22/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I call this a bear wedge, not an HTF. High, meaning at the high, tight, >meaning extremely tight trading range, also I like volume to dry up >compared to the run up. None of these applies to COCO, except vol is >slowly drifting down to avg. HTFs are flat. Again, look at PENN - >virtually the same high, low, open and close, all within a few tenths of a >point range, for 4 days. Not lower highs and the same lows with a 3-5 >point range. A bear wedge has a downward drift to it, which is what I >think this is. > >On 08:55 AM 5/22/01, Patrick Wahl Said: >>I guess we have different definitions. I looked again, and I see an >>initial move up (5/15 and 5/16, the flag pole), and then I see 3 days >>with lower highs, but lows near the same level, which is the >>beginning of a flag or pennant. You may want to see it consolidate >>for another couple days, but I don't know what else to call this >>formation at this stage of development anyway. I was under the >>impression a wedge has an upward drift to it. >> >>On 22 May 01, at 4:44, Tim Fisher wrote: >> >> > Definitely not an HTF. Look at PENN for another great HTF that I bot off >> > of. Compare that to COCO the past few days. This is a wedge, and I don't >> > like it. I want out, because of the news (APOL got a federal slap on the >> > wrist). I guess I will let my initial stop take me out but I don't >> like the >> > entire group right now, like I didn't like the homebuilders a week ago >> when >> > most were at all time highs... >> > >> > At 10:38 PM 5/21/2001 -0600, you wrote: >> > >Anyone else see a flag forming in COCO? It was mentioned here >> > >last week by someone (Tim?), looks like it could be setting up a >> > >good opportunity to enter again. >> > > >> > >- >> > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > >> > Tim Fisher >> > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >> > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >> > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >> > WWW http://OreRockOn.com >> > >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 22 May 2001 19:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Patti, I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped 15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a profit. My two cents, Dave ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] JAKK Date: 22 May 2001 23:05:36 EDT --part1_e4.156f19e2.283c8300_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JAKK 77/84 AAB looks like its coming off a double bottom (W-formation). Might be worth watching. Company has been buying back shares. Chris. --part1_e4.156f19e2.283c8300_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JAKK 77/84 AAB looks like its coming off a double bottom (W-formation). Might
be worth watching. Company has been buying back shares.

Chris. --part1_e4.156f19e2.283c8300_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MNTG - Good volume today. Date: 22 May 2001 22:28:09 -0600 I am in MNTG with a 2/3 position that I bought at about 9.33. The 2/3 is due to a stop I set with it split up into three orders, 10 cents apart. Unfortunately, the highest stop tripped a few days ago and took me out of part of my position. I continue to struggle with using hard stops, but I just can't watch the market consistently during the day, so I see little choice. At 08:18 AM 5/22/01 -0700, you wrote: >I was waffling yesterday - surprised at its unexpected (in my mind) weakness >the last couple of days while the rest of the gaming group was going through >the roof. It is hitting a new high today, and is finally through $10. > >My experience suggests that this $10 area is often a point of extreme >resistance, and it often takes several attempts to clear. Has anyone else >who likes the gaming group looked at MNTG? > >Thanks, > >Ian > >PS - Sorry about the repeat mesages on AGAM - I'm having trouble with my >POP/SMTP server today. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David S. Pinhasik" Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 23 May 2001 10:34:00 +0300 Can someone refresh my memory? IGT closed down yesterday on higher than average volume - 1.34 ADV. Does it have to be over 1.5 ADV to be an indication of distribution, or is 1.3 also a sign? Is this just normal profit taking? David A professor is one who talks in someone else's sleep. ============================================ David S. Pinhasik IBM Global Services (Israel) @ Chaim Sheba Medical Center - Tel Hashomer, Israel +972 3 530 5209 (new) +972 3 534 5748 fax +1 707 885 7831 US efax dsap@shani.net ============================================ This signature and tagline were generated by SchizoSigz! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Makara, Tamas" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 23 May 2001 09:39:07 +0200 Most important it was significantly less than the previous day's volume. I don't count this day as distribution. David S. Pinhasik wrote: > Can someone refresh my memory? IGT closed down yesterday on higher than > average volume - 1.34 ADV. Does it have to be over 1.5 ADV to be an > indication of distribution, or is 1.3 also a sign? Is this just normal > profit taking? > > David > > A professor is one who talks in someone else's sleep. > ============================================ > David S. Pinhasik > IBM Global Services (Israel) > @ Chaim Sheba Medical Center - Tel Hashomer, Israel > +972 3 530 5209 (new) > +972 3 534 5748 fax > +1 707 885 7831 US efax > dsap@shani.net > ============================================ > This signature and tagline were generated by SchizoSigz! > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 23 May 2001 05:26:56 -0500 I also wouldn't worry about yesterday being a significant distribution day. After breaking to a new recent high several of my stocks this year have undergone some profit taking almost immediately (i.e. w/in a day or two). Most recently FEIC did this to me on heavy volume. Norman Boyd ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:39 AM > Most important it was significantly less than the previous day's volume. I > don't count this day as distribution. > > David S. Pinhasik wrote: > > > Can someone refresh my memory? IGT closed down yesterday on higher than > > average volume - 1.34 ADV. Does it have to be over 1.5 ADV to be an > > indication of distribution, or is 1.3 also a sign? Is this just normal > > profit taking? > > > > David > > > > A professor is one who talks in someone else's sleep. > > ============================================ > > David S. Pinhasik > > IBM Global Services (Israel) > > @ Chaim Sheba Medical Center - Tel Hashomer, Israel > > +972 3 530 5209 (new) > > +972 3 534 5748 fax > > +1 707 885 7831 US efax > > dsap@shani.net > > ============================================ > > This signature and tagline were generated by SchizoSigz! > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] JAKK Date: 23 May 2001 06:52:38 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0E354.F4DF3240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, Chris, I flunk this one on both the chart and the fundies. Pivot = point was 15, at 17 it is already over 10% extended. On earnings, it fell Y2Y pretty dramatically in the 4th qtr, and was = barely up (single digit gains) in the 1st qtr this year, and 3rd qtr = last year. That's three consecutive weak qtrs, and the forecast for this = year is only 14%. That's more than enough reasons to look elsewhere. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] JAKK JAKK 77/84 AAB looks like its coming off a double bottom = (W-formation). Might=20 be worth watching. Company has been buying back shares.=20 Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0E354.F4DF3240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, Chris, I flunk this one on both the chart and = the=20 fundies.  Pivot point was 15, at 17 it is already over 10%=20 extended.
 
On earnings, it fell Y2Y pretty dramatically in the = 4th qtr,=20 and was barely up (single digit gains) in the 1st qtr this year, and 3rd = qtr=20 last year. That's three consecutive weak qtrs, and the forecast for this = year is=20 only 14%. That's more than enough reasons to look = elsewhere.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 = 11:05=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] JAKK

JAKK 77/84 = AAB looks=20 like its coming off a double bottom (W-formation). Might
be worth=20 watching. Company has been buying back shares.

Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C0E354.F4DF3240-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKutney@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Right Software Tools Date: 23 May 2001 08:09:23 EDT --part1_10.d415f85.283d0273_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick, I read the IDB every day. I have all sorts of lists of stocks and I often record them in yahoo in groups. They are my watch lists but sometimes these stocks stay in my lists a long time. When I'm trying to do a better job I note a price in the comment section of my watch list. That way the stock will get my attention at the right moment. Sometimes this doesn't work and I miss the opportunity. What I look for is a setup. By that I mean a cup with handle or one of the other known consolidation patterns. I then place a buy stop order just higher than the high point of the handle. I then wait. The order may be in for a week before it hits. If the stock sinks then I never buy. Sometimes, like recently on FII I canceled the order because the stock was going up on lower volume. The idea is that I don't want to buy the stock just because it was bouncing around in the handle. I want the stop price to be at a value greater than the usual raise and fall of the stock each day. I check the price of the stock during lunch at work. If I need to make a change I can then log in to Etrade and make my change or call it in. Once the stock is purchased I place a sell stop order. This can be the most tricky part because they can run-up and then slam back into the base and quickly recover. A recent stock that comes to mind is RCII. I sometimes buy after the breakout. I recently did this with RMD at 50. I view that if a stock gaps up during the breakout then it's a real positive sign. I the case of RMD I wasn't watching it closely at the time but I watched that stock last year for some time and I never bought the stock then. I don't think you should buy at random. I was familiar with the stock. I hope that this helps. Stephen Kutney --part1_10.d415f85.283d0273_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick,

 I read the IDB every day. I have all sorts of lists of stocks and I often
record them in yahoo in groups. They are my watch lists but sometimes these
stocks stay in my lists a long time. When I'm trying to do a better job I
note a price in the comment section of my watch list. That way the stock will
get my attention at the right moment. Sometimes this doesn't work and I miss
the opportunity.

 What I look for is a setup. By that I mean a cup with handle or one of the
other known consolidation patterns. I then place a buy stop order just higher
than the high point of the handle. I then wait. The order may be in for a
week before it hits. If the stock sinks then I never buy. Sometimes, like
recently on FII I canceled the order because the stock was going up on lower
volume. The idea is that I don't want to buy the stock just because it was
bouncing around in the handle. I want the stop price to be at a value greater
than the usual raise and fall of the stock each day.

 I check the price of the stock during lunch at work. If I need to make a
change I can then log in to Etrade and make my change or call it in. Once the
stock is purchased I place a sell stop order. This can be the most tricky
part because they can run-up and then slam back into the base and quickly
recover. A recent stock that comes to mind is RCII.  

 I sometimes buy after the breakout. I recently did this with RMD at 50. I
view that if a stock gaps up during the breakout then it's a real positive
sign. I the case of RMD I wasn't watching it closely at the time but I
watched that stock last year for some time and I never bought the stock then.
I don't think you should buy at random. I was familiar with the stock.

 I hope that this helps.

Stephen Kutney --part1_10.d415f85.283d0273_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Date: 23 May 2001 09:15:45 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0E368.F3AD51E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Tom. Your reply was a big help. I had a misconception that I = would have to sit in front of my computer all day to find the breakouts. = Guess I can play a little golf instead! . I figure I will return my = trial version of Metastock Pro. It's a good product but is not suited = for my needs. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:01 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Rick, Over the years, I have found that very few people are truly suited for = sitting in front of a monitor all day long, day after day. I did it for = over 7 years and, while I enjoyed it, I would not want to be doing that = again. When I am off for a day or two, I will do so. But I got 2 weeks = vacation starting next week, and intend to go sailing every day if Ma = Nature permits. I had three hours of meetings today, the first started for one hour at = 9:30 AM, just as the market opened and EPIQ had news that would = undoubtedly knock it down. I had already read the news well before the = opening, and adjusted my stop limit up again to less than 2% trailing = for what proved to be a last time. Exited a quarter position over $8 = higher than when I began to use hard stops, and more than 30% higher = than my original recent target price. Did it while I was in a meeting = with management. That is one answer for how to handle trading stocks = without sitting in front of a monitor. You can do the same thing on the = buy side, and only have to trust that the volume will accompany a move = thru the pivot. Because I do not have the time at work to watch stocks on my "hot" = list, I usually cheat and buy them while they are still basing. I = usually get them below the pivot as a result, altho some never break out = either. I also use a buy limit around the pivot, or lower, after I see = them break out on volume. Some back up a little and fill my order (last = week one filled, one wouldn't budge so I raised the limit 20 cents, and = filled 10 cents under my new limit, still don't understand that good = fortune, but both in the money this week). I usually have 15-20 stocks on my active watch list, but rarely is = more than one or two poised for an imminent breakout. If I happen to be = off work, or at work but it is slow, I try to watch them using = FreeRealTime.com. I have always found that the Mark 1 Mod 0 human brain, = when hyperlinked up with the same version of the human eyeball, is = better than any software package. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Steve, Actually my "job" is investing my nest egg from my home. So I have = the time to monitor the market. Many times I see comments posted on this board stating that a stock = shot thru the pivot point and it was too far extended to catch it. So = it seems as if we would need some good realtime alerts. If my message troubles you, then the reverse is true for me: Your = message seems to indicate that you can find and buy CANLIM stocks on a = timely basis (near the pivot point) without fancy software or monitoring = the market all day. How do you do it? Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of SKutney@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:04 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools Your message troubles me because I don't feel that you need any of = these=20 tools to buy stocks using CANSLIM. I use investors.com along with = a once and=20 while subscription to Daily Graphs. How can these other software = packages be=20 useful if you need to work all day on a regular type job?=20 Steve=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0E368.F3AD51E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Tom.  Your reply was a big help.  I = had a=20 misconception that I would have to sit in front of my computer all day = to find=20 the breakouts.  Guess I can play a little golf instead! = <g>.  I=20 figure I will return my trial version of Metastock Pro.  It's a = good=20 product but is not suited for my needs.
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 7:01 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The Right = Software=20 Tools

Rick,
 
Over the years, I have found that very few people = are truly=20 suited for sitting in front of a monitor all day long, day after day. = I did it=20 for over 7 years and, while I enjoyed it, I would not want to be doing = that=20 again. When I am off for a day or two, I will do so. But I got 2 weeks = vacation starting next week, and intend to go sailing every day if Ma = Nature=20 permits.
 
I had three hours of meetings today, the first = started for=20 one hour at 9:30 AM, just as the market opened and EPIQ had news that = would=20 undoubtedly knock it down. I had already read the news well before the = opening, and adjusted my stop limit up again to less than 2% trailing = for what=20 proved to be a last time. Exited a quarter position over $8 higher = than when I=20 began to use hard stops, and more than 30% higher than my original = recent=20 target price. Did it while I was in a meeting with management.  = That is=20 one answer for how to handle trading stocks without sitting in front = of a=20 monitor.  You can do the same thing on the buy side, and only = have to=20 trust that the volume will accompany a move thru the = pivot.
 
Because I do not have the time at work to watch = stocks on my=20 "hot" list, I usually cheat and buy them while they are still basing. = I=20 usually get them below the pivot as a result, altho some never break = out=20 either.  I also use a buy limit around the pivot, or lower, after = I see=20 them break out on volume. Some back up a little and fill my order = (last week=20 one filled, one wouldn't budge so I raised the limit 20 cents, and = filled 10=20 cents under my new limit, still don't understand that good fortune, = but both=20 in the money this week).
 
I usually have 15-20 stocks on my active watch = list, but=20 rarely is more than one or two poised for an imminent breakout. If I = happen to=20 be off work, or at work but it is slow, I try to watch them using=20 FreeRealTime.com. I have always found that the Mark 1 Mod 0 = human brain,=20 when hyperlinked up with the same version of the human eyeball, is = better than=20 any software package.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 = 1:10=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] The = Right=20 Software Tools

Steve,
Actually my "job" is investing my nest egg = from my=20 home.  So I have the time to monitor the=20 market.
Many times I see comments posted on this = board stating=20 that a stock shot thru the pivot point and it was too = far extended to=20 catch it.  So it seems as if we would need some good realtime=20 alerts.
 
If my message troubles you, then the reverse is = true for=20 me:  Your message seems to indicate that you can find and buy = CANLIM=20 stocks on a timely basis (near the pivot point) without fancy = software or=20 monitoring the market all day.  How do you do=20 it?
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 SKutney@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:04=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] The Right Software Tools

Your message troubles me = because I don't=20 feel that you need any of these
tools to buy stocks using = CANSLIM. I=20 use investors.com along with a once and
while subscription to = Daily=20 Graphs. How can these other software packages be
useful if you = need to=20 work all day on a regular type job?

Steve=20
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0E368.F3AD51E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Right Software Tools Date: 23 May 2001 09:29:25 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E36A.DB68F060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephen, Thank you for your input. Sharing your method of picking stocks is a = big help and makes me realize I don't need to be in front of a computer = all day. Thanks, Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of SKutney@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:09 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Right Software Tools Rick,=20 I read the IDB every day. I have all sorts of lists of stocks and I = often=20 record them in yahoo in groups. They are my watch lists but sometimes = these=20 stocks stay in my lists a long time. When I'm trying to do a better = job I=20 note a price in the comment section of my watch list. That way the = stock will=20 get my attention at the right moment. Sometimes this doesn't work and = I miss=20 the opportunity.=20 What I look for is a setup. By that I mean a cup with handle or one = of the=20 other known consolidation patterns. I then place a buy stop order just = higher=20 than the high point of the handle. I then wait. The order may be in = for a=20 week before it hits. If the stock sinks then I never buy. Sometimes, = like=20 recently on FII I canceled the order because the stock was going up on = lower=20 volume. The idea is that I don't want to buy the stock just because it = was=20 bouncing around in the handle. I want the stop price to be at a value = greater=20 than the usual raise and fall of the stock each day.=20 I check the price of the stock during lunch at work. If I need to = make a=20 change I can then log in to Etrade and make my change or call it in. = Once the=20 stock is purchased I place a sell stop order. This can be the most = tricky=20 part because they can run-up and then slam back into the base and = quickly=20 recover. A recent stock that comes to mind is RCII. =20 I sometimes buy after the breakout. I recently did this with RMD at = 50. I=20 view that if a stock gaps up during the breakout then it's a real = positive=20 sign. I the case of RMD I wasn't watching it closely at the time but I = watched that stock last year for some time and I never bought the = stock then.=20 I don't think you should buy at random. I was familiar with the stock. = I hope that this helps.=20 Stephen Kutney=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E36A.DB68F060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stephen,
Thank you for your input.  Sharing your = method of=20 picking stocks is a big help and makes me realize I don't need to be in = front of=20 a computer all day.
 
Thanks,
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 SKutney@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:09=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = [CANSLIM] Right=20 Software Tools

Rick,

 I read the IDB every day. I have all = sorts of lists=20 of stocks and I often
record them in yahoo in groups. They are my = watch=20 lists but sometimes these
stocks stay in my lists a long time. = When I'm=20 trying to do a better job I
note a price in the comment section of = my=20 watch list. That way the stock will
get my attention at the right = moment.=20 Sometimes this doesn't work and I miss
the opportunity. =

 What=20 I look for is a setup. By that I mean a cup with handle or one of the=20
other known consolidation patterns. I then place a buy stop order = just=20 higher
than the high point of the handle. I then wait. The order = may be in=20 for a
week before it hits. If the stock sinks then I never buy. = Sometimes,=20 like
recently on FII I canceled the order because the stock was = going up=20 on lower
volume. The idea is that I don't want to buy the stock = just=20 because it was
bouncing around in the handle. I want the stop = price to be=20 at a value greater
than the usual raise and fall of the stock each = day.=20

 I check the price of the stock during lunch at work. If = I need=20 to make a
change I can then log in to Etrade and make my change or = call it=20 in. Once the
stock is purchased I place a sell stop order. This = can be the=20 most tricky
part because they can run-up and then slam back into = the base=20 and quickly
recover. A recent stock that comes to mind is RCII. =  =20

 I sometimes buy after the breakout. I recently did this = with RMD=20 at 50. I
view that if a stock gaps up during the breakout then = it's a real=20 positive
sign. I the case of RMD I wasn't watching it closely at = the time=20 but I
watched that stock last year for some time and I never = bought the=20 stock then.
I don't think you should buy at random. I was familiar = with=20 the stock.

 I hope that this helps.

Stephen = Kutney=20
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E36A.DB68F060-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Date: 23 May 2001 09:43:56 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0E36C.E2DECFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it just me or are others having problems opening DGO this morning? = (5/23) Rick ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0E36C.E2DECFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it just me or are others having problems = opening DGO=20 this morning? (5/23)
 
Rick
 
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0E36C.E2DECFC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 09:47:23 -0400 COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM Patti, I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped 15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a profit. My two cents, Dave ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Drewcorp" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Date: 23 May 2001 09:59:43 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0E36F.174EF760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am having problems opening DGO and investors.com!!!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Is it just me or are others having problems opening DGO this morning? = (5/23) Rick ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0E36F.174EF760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am having problems opening DGO and=20 investors.com!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Parsons
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 = 9:43=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO service=20 down?

Is it just me or are others having problems = opening=20 DGO this morning? (5/23)
 
Rick
 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0E36F.174EF760-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Drewcorp" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 10:00:44 -0400 If misery loves company .... so did I. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:47 AM > COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > Patti, > > I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general > rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage > houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down > its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it > had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). > This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. > > On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once > bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was > downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped > 15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly > me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the > analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill > Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, > and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was > wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm > confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a > profit. > > My two cents, > > Dave > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Date: 23 May 2001 08:04:02 -0600 It seems to be up now. And yes, I had trouble a few minutes ago. At 09:43 AM 5/23/01 -0400, you wrote: > Is it just me or are others having problems opening DGO this morning? >(5/23) Rick >> > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 08:05:04 -0600 Ditto, at this point, I've been stopped out of 7 or 8 stocks during the last couple of months, and I think all but one were after analyst downgrades and comments either on the stock or the group (Home Builders). At 09:47 AM 5/23/01 -0400, you wrote: >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. > >Rick > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > >Patti, > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). >This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly >me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, >and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a >profit. > >My two cents, > >Dave > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 23 May 2001 09:03:27 -0500 This is a example of a stock that is doing everything right. I would not worry about yesterdays heavy volume day because the prior two days of advance were on massive volume. Also, Greg Kuhn has noted that it is not uncommon to see a distribution day some time during the first 25% of a stocks advance. It is usually a headfake. It is the distribution after the 25% mark that is more indicative of a coming selloff, according to Kuhn. To answer your question simply compare today's volume to yesterday's to determine a distribution day. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:34 AM > Can someone refresh my memory? IGT closed down yesterday on higher than > average volume - 1.34 ADV. Does it have to be over 1.5 ADV to be an > indication of distribution, or is 1.3 also a sign? Is this just normal > profit taking? > > David > > > > A professor is one who talks in someone else's sleep. > ============================================ > David S. Pinhasik > IBM Global Services (Israel) > @ Chaim Sheba Medical Center - Tel Hashomer, Israel > +972 3 530 5209 (new) > +972 3 534 5748 fax > +1 707 885 7831 US efax > dsap@shani.net > ============================================ > This signature and tagline were generated by SchizoSigz! > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Date: 23 May 2001 08:52:45 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C0E365.BC8356E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick, I just downloaded...... no problem. Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rick Parsons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:43 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Is it just me or are others having problems opening DGO this morning? = (5/23) Rick ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C0E365.BC8356E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick, I just downloaded...... no=20 problem.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rick Parsons
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 = 8:43=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO service=20 down?

Is it just me or are others having problems = opening=20 DGO this morning? (5/23)
 
Rick
 
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C0E365.BC8356E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Date: 23 May 2001 10:32:42 EDT Rick: I also had trouble connecting to DG this morning. I wrote to them, and here is there reply (apparently they were having problems at their end): Thank you for your recent e-mail to Daily Graphs Online. The message that you noted is an indication that your computer was not able to connect to our network. At the time this occurred, we were experiencing a minor issue that has since been resolved. Please log in to Daily Graphs Online at your earliest convenience. I thank you for your patience on this matter. Please write back if you have any questions or if we may assist you in any way. Best regards, Dan Daily Graphs Online jans In a message dated 5/23/2001 9:46:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com writes: << Is it just me or are others having problems opening DGO this morning? (5/23) Rick >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] Duplicate Messages Date: 23 May 2001 11:01:33 -0400 Recently I am finding duplicate messages on this listserve. For example, one was sent at 12:15pm yesterday and the same message was received again at 4:12pm. Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] MSS Date: 23 May 2001 11:13:38 -0400 MSS 97, D,A,C,B but has nice earnings and growth rate. Looks like it is forming a shallow handle on declining volume. Comments? This is a new addition to the database. Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 23 May 2001 11:21:16 -0400 HIBB breaking out of a nice looking cup and handle on high volume today despite "M". Comments? Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO - RIP Date: 23 May 2001 11:21:20 -0400 Another breakout bites the dust. Took a 4% loss on this one. I don't know about everyone else but this has been a frustrating time for me. The 'quality' breakouts are moving past the 5% limit too fast to be bought, even though they proceed to much bigger gains. Breakouts that actually give you a chance to buy within the 5% limit are failing days later. On top of that, the "anti-CANSLIM" approach of buying beaten down tech stocks would have produced stellar returns over the past month. I know discipline pays off in the end, but these past few weeks one could have done very well by stretching the CANSLIM rules just a bit... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 08:26:35 -0700 If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot within 5% you would still be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not at all concerned about COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) yesterday, these kind of downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days of the knee-jerk sell-off. On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. > >Rick > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > >Patti, > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). >This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly >me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, >and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a >profit. > >My two cents, > >Dave > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 11:36:22 -0400 WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get out of a stock before it is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't look right. Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to me not to wait for 8%. With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, something was clearly wrong. RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge volume on a downgrade on 5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have triggered stops for those who bought at the right time. But this downgrade was not forgotten days later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows no signs of recovery. Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital ... SERENITY NOW ... SERENITY NOW ... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot within 5% you would still > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not at all concerned about > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) yesterday, these kind of > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > >Rick > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > >Patti, > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a > >profit. > > > >My two cents, > > > >Dave > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sisyphus" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - RIP Date: 23 May 2001 08:40:13 -0700 I'm new to this list. Y'all look like a dedicated and knowledgeable bunch.= I'm glad I found you. I'm with you. I have been stopped out several times during the past= month...COCO, PPDI, CHIC, BZH. I suppose I shouldn't be *too* miffed= about this, since being stopped out has kept me ahead, but certainly not= spectacularly ahead. I would have have been much better off sinking the= money into an index fund or something than playing the CANSLIM game, so= whether I should be or not, I'm peeved! John *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/23/2001 at 11:21 AM Dave Rubin wrote: >Another breakout bites the dust. Took a 4% loss on this one. > >I don't know about everyone else but this has been a frustrating time for >me. The 'quality' breakouts are moving past the 5% limit too fast to be >bought, even though they proceed to much bigger gains. Breakouts that >actually give you a chance to buy within the 5% limit are failing days >later. > >On top of that, the "anti-CANSLIM" approach of buying beaten down tech >stocks would have produced stellar returns over the past month. > >I know discipline pays off in the end, but these past few weeks one could >have done very well by stretching the CANSLIM rules just a bit... > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO - RIP Date: 23 May 2001 11:44:33 -0400 Interesting comment about quality breakouts moving past the 5% limit to fast. I had just posted a comment on Software Tools and got several responses that indicated that one does not have to watch the market all day long. Several made comments they check now and then from work. I would imagine that in order to catch these "5% limit" stocks one would have to be by a realtime monitor. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Rubin Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM Another breakout bites the dust. Took a 4% loss on this one. I don't know about everyone else but this has been a frustrating time for me. The 'quality' breakouts are moving past the 5% limit too fast to be bought, even though they proceed to much bigger gains. Breakouts that actually give you a chance to buy within the 5% limit are failing days later. On top of that, the "anti-CANSLIM" approach of buying beaten down tech stocks would have produced stellar returns over the past month. I know discipline pays off in the end, but these past few weeks one could have done very well by stretching the CANSLIM rules just a bit... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades - COCO Date: 23 May 2001 10:43:39 -0500 I agree. This thing should have been bought around 45ish giving a stop of roughly 41 1/2. It ran up on good volume and formed a lower volume pennant. While the stock did have slight distribution yesterday it looks like a pivot point retest to me as of 11:30. Also, the nature of this stock is to thrust and then pullback fairly hard. This bull advance is different than the 90's bull advances. Stocks are doing much more testing and backing and filling. Of course, we should expect this coming off a huge bear market low. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:26 AM > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot within 5% you would still > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not at all concerned about > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) yesterday, these kind of > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > >Rick > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > >Patti, > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a > >profit. > > > >My two cents, > > > >Dave > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] For Walter Stock Date: 23 May 2001 08:56:15 -0700 Hey Walter, check out TA.TO. We are doing tons of work for these guys, and I would like to know from someone on the north of the border what their fundies look like. Their chart is beautiful, wish I had Canadian stocks included in the scans I use! Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: [CANSLIM] SJT Sloping handle ?? Date: 23 May 2001 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT) I like the chart formation and fundies on SJT. I am keeping an eye on the sloping downward handle but am concerned about the fact the the volume is greater than I would like it to be. Lower than the 50 day average but not fading off either. Any comments. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Drewcorp" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 23 May 2001 11:59:30 -0400 I think there is much to like about HIBB.... I am concerned about average daily volume (16,000). I believe WON recommends a much higher number to be considered. Thoughts? Andy ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM > HIBB breaking out of a nice looking cup and handle on high volume today > despite "M". > > Comments? > > Rick > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 09:00:58 -0700 And I can give you just as many examples of stocks for which the downgrade was a non-event a few days later. How could you know which would be the case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither am I, and that is what stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, downgrades based on a stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just plain silly. If what is "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a new high, then give me more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get out of a stock before it >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't look right. > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to me not to wait for 8%. >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, something was clearly >wrong. > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge volume on a downgrade on >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have triggered stops for those >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade was not forgotten days >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows no signs of recovery. > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital ... SERENITY NOW ... >SERENITY NOW ... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot within 5% you would still > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not at all concerned about > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) yesterday, these kind of > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a > > >profit. > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > >===== > > >Dave Cameron > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". 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Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - RIP Date: 23 May 2001 09:04:34 -0700 Again, did you know 3 months ago that you would be better off in index funds? No. If you think that now, why not put some of that cash into VFINX then? Diversification is king. I am not nearly 100% in CANSLIM stocks, and I don't think anyone should be, unless their accounts are funded with "play money" and they can afford to lose any of their capital. FYI, I am spectacularly ahead, and so should most on this list be, at least for the past month. The CANSLIM parts of my accounts are killing the index fund parts! On 08:40 AM 5/23/01, Sisyphus Said: >I'm new to this list. Y'all look like a dedicated and knowledgeable >bunch. I'm glad I found you. > >I'm with you. I have been stopped out several times during the past >month...COCO, PPDI, CHIC, BZH. I suppose I shouldn't be *too* miffed >about this, since being stopped out has kept me ahead, but certainly not >spectacularly ahead. I would have have been much better off sinking the >money into an index fund or something than playing the CANSLIM game, so >whether I should be or not, I'm peeved! > >John > >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >On 5/23/2001 at 11:21 AM Dave Rubin wrote: > > >Another breakout bites the dust. Took a 4% loss on this one. > > > >I don't know about everyone else but this has been a frustrating time for > >me. The 'quality' breakouts are moving past the 5% limit too fast to be > >bought, even though they proceed to much bigger gains. Breakouts that > >actually give you a chance to buy within the 5% limit are failing days > >later. > > > >On top of that, the "anti-CANSLIM" approach of buying beaten down tech > >stocks would have produced stellar returns over the past month. > > > >I know discipline pays off in the end, but these past few weeks one could > >have done very well by stretching the CANSLIM rules just a bit... > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David S. Pinhasik" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 23 May 2001 19:07:38 +0300 Tamas, Norman and David - thanks. Todays volume looks similar to yesterdays, at this point. It has reached about half of ADV already and it is down another 1.45%. David ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:03 PM > This is a example of a stock that is doing everything right. I would not > worry about yesterdays heavy volume day because the prior two days of > advance were on massive volume. Also, Greg Kuhn has noted that it is not > uncommon to see a distribution day some time during the first 25% of a > stocks advance. It is usually a headfake. It is the distribution after the > 25% mark that is more indicative of a coming selloff, according to Kuhn. To > answer your question simply compare today's volume to yesterday's to > determine a distribution day. > > DSquires > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David S. Pinhasik" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:34 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > > Can someone refresh my memory? IGT closed down yesterday on higher than > > average volume - 1.34 ADV. Does it have to be over 1.5 ADV to be an > > indication of distribution, or is 1.3 also a sign? Is this just normal > > profit taking? > > > > David > > > > > > > > A professor is one who talks in someone else's sleep. > > ============================================ > > David S. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sisyphus" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - RIP Date: 23 May 2001 09:10:14 -0700 >Again, did you know 3 months ago that you would be better off in index >funds? No. If you think that now, why not put some of that cash into VFINX= >then? Diversification is king. I am not nearly 100% in CANSLIM stocks, and= >I don't think anyone should be, unless their accounts are funded with >"play >money" and they can afford to lose any of their capital. Oh, I am. I'm CANSLIM investing with a portion only. Still.... > >FYI, I am spectacularly ahead, and so should most on this list be, at >least >for the past month. The CANSLIM parts of my accounts are killing the index= >fund parts! I am ahead, but by no means spectacularly ahead. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] MSS Date: 23 May 2001 12:11:18 -0400 MSS is "breaking out" on high volume. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Rick Parsons Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:14 AM MSS 97, D,A,C,B but has nice earnings and growth rate. Looks like it is forming a shallow handle on declining volume. Comments? This is a new addition to the database. Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 09:27:19 -0700 (PDT) I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous if it were not so pitiful that many, many people follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. Surely there are some stocks that you would want to unload. With every bit of sincerity, I have found that recommendations or suggestions from the people in this group to surpass anything I have ever received from any brokerage house. Steve --- Tim Fisher wrote: > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > for which the downgrade > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > which would be the > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > am I, and that is what > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > downgrades based on a > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > plain silly. If what is > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > new high, then give me > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > out of a stock before it > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > look right. > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > me not to wait for 8%. > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > something was clearly > >wrong. > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > volume on a downgrade on > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > triggered stops for those > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > was not forgotten days > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > no signs of recovery. > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > ... SERENITY NOW ... > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > within 5% you would still > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > at all concerned about > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > yesterday, these kind of > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > upgrades). As a general > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > analysts for major brokerage > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > strong buy half way down > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > overvalued (AFTER it > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > their clients out). > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > markets this way. I once > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > days later, it was > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > stock quickly dropped > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > down was because of the > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > way that once Merrill > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > stock was down 25%, > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > then, realizing I was > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > price. I'm > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > I would have had a > > > >profit. > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > >Dave Cameron > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at > great prices > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your email. > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your email. > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > Sites > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SJT Sloping handle ?? Date: 23 May 2001 10:45:12 -0600 That is not a handle, since there is no cup. Its more of a LLUR type thing. This one is probably ok to buy on a pullback since it has such a strong overall uptrend. I would just try to identify some sort of support level or consolidation area before buying though. On 23 May 01, at 8:54, Steve F wrote: > > I like the chart formation and fundies on SJT. I am > keeping an eye on the sloping downward handle but am > concerned about the fact the the volume is greater > than I would like it to be. Lower than the 50 day > average but not fading off either. > > Any comments. > > Steve > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SJT Sloping handle ?? Date: 23 May 2001 10:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Would you consider the double top and declining RS a bad omen? Kent Norman --- Patrick Wahl wrote: > That is not a handle, since there is no cup. Its > more of a LLUR > type thing. This one is probably ok to buy on a > pullback since it > has such a strong overall uptrend. I would just > try to identify some > sort of support level or consolidation area before > buying though. > > On 23 May 01, at 8:54, Steve F wrote: > > > > > I like the chart formation and fundies on SJT. I > am > > keeping an eye on the sloping downward handle but > am > > concerned about the fact the the volume is greater > > than I would like it to be. Lower than the 50 day > > average but not fading off either. > > > > Any comments. > > > > Steve > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] COCO - RIP Date: 23 May 2001 10:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Here is a snip from the IBD archives on chasing a breakout. "Chasing a stock that's already 5% or more past that point can be a wasted effort. Because you've missed some of the initial gains, you have less of a cushion to ride out a normal pullback in price. But not all stocks give you the luxury of a leisurely purchase. A stock may open and trade several points above the previous day's intraday high. This price movement, also known as a gap, can occur for many reasons. There may have been some positive overnight news, such as healthy earnings. Or maybe a mutual fund decided it was time to snatch up a load of shares. Whatever the reason, demand is so strong in the morning that the stock opened above the previous day's trading range, creating a bullish gap on a price chart. So what do you do if you wake up and the stock you've been eyeing greets the day higher than the buy point you've set? Aside from finding out if there's any news on the company, you should also reconsider the stock's fundamentals. If the numbers are strong, consider buying a small stake -- though not as much as you originally intended. Then wait and see what the next few days bring. If the stock holds its initial price increase, add to your position. In today's fast-paced market, that strategy can help you land a winner." Regards Kent Norman --- Rick Parsons wrote: > Interesting comment about quality breakouts moving > past the 5% limit to > fast. > I had just posted a comment on Software Tools and > got several responses that > indicated that one does not have to watch the market > all day long. Several > made comments they check now and then from work. I > would imagine that in > order to catch these "5% limit" stocks one would > have to be by a realtime > monitor. > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Dave Rubin > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO - RIP > > > Another breakout bites the dust. Took a 4% loss on > this one. > > I don't know about everyone else but this has been a > frustrating time for > me. The 'quality' breakouts are moving past the 5% > limit too fast to be > bought, even though they proceed to much bigger > gains. Breakouts that > actually give you a chance to buy within the 5% > limit are failing days > later. > > On top of that, the "anti-CANSLIM" approach of > buying beaten down tech > stocks would have produced stellar returns over the > past month. > > I know discipline pays off in the end, but these > past few weeks one could > have done very well by stretching the CANSLIM rules > just a bit... > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] PDII Date: 23 May 2001 14:00:13 -0400 Tom, Just an observation: In the booklet "40 Great Stock Market Winners" provided by Daily Graphs (printed) they show a several examples of stocks that had fallen 50% before recovering and going on to huge gains. Examples shown were AOL which fell from 140 to 69, IGT which fell from 20 to about 10. At the beginning of the booklet introduction, item #13 says "Most of the moves were preceded by correction and consolidation areas in coincidence with general market corrections." Nevertheless the buy points were made after they came back near to (but not necessarily at) their highs. Granted, PDII has not come back to its previous high, but I don't believe falling 50% is a valid criteria to ignore a stock completely. Especially with great "fundies". But then again I could be wrong. There is no sure thing in this business ! Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:38 PM I don't consider anything that has fallen 50% from its highs. I doubt WON would either. There is so much overhead resistance there it is not worth the fight to get back to near the old high. Again, there are so many good candidates out there right now, why bother with something so beaten down? On 09:26 AM 5/22/01, Rick Parsons Said: >Tim, >I am not familiar with the company. thanks for your comments. >However despite the terminated contract and fall from the 52 week high, it >still has ratings of 99,A,A,A,A with a RS of 95. >This puts it up along the best of the best, does it not >If they can still rate this high after the terminated contract, does that >not say they are doing something right? >Of course I am just a beginner here, so tell me if these ratings must be >ignored. > >Rick > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:08 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PDII > > >Are you serious? Are we talking the PDII which has a 52 week high of 142 >and is now at 83? The one who terminated the big contract with Glaxo and >got a 50% haircut? > >On 08:47 AM 5/22/01, Rick Parsons Said: > >Very tight rising base but great CANSLIM ratings, 99, A,A,A,A. > >How would you enter this? > >Comments? > > > >Rick > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 14:11:10 EDT Canslimmers: I've noticed time and again (eg. COCO) that a stock should be sold after making a new high when the THE RS LINE doesn't confirm by going to a new high itself. I know not much attention or credence is given this indicator, but-even though it is sometimes early (ie. the stock makes a new high, the RS line doesn't, and the stock goes on up to 10% or more before plummeting)-it more often than not takes good aim, signalling a weak stock. I certainly would use it to buy (for exp. I wouldn't buy a BO if the stock's RS line also doesn't (or in the recent past there isn't a) BO to a new high. And I would use it to sell (I haven't used it so far because I'm not too sure of the stamina of this rally (so I haven't made any buys recently), and I've only begun paying attention to the RS line in the last couple months). I wouldn't completely give up on the stock if the stock makes a new high and the RS line doesn't, but I certainly would tighten my stop. jans In a message dated 5/23/2001 11:25:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Tim@OreRockOn.com writes: << If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot within 5% you would still be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not at all concerned about COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) yesterday, these kind of downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days of the knee-jerk sell-off. On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. > >Rick > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > >Patti, > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). >This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly >me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, >and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a >profit. > >My two cents, > >Dave > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: musicant@pacbell.net (Dan Musicant) Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 18:11:23 +0000 (GMT) On Wed, 23 May 2001 09:47:23 -0400, you wrote: :COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. : :Rick We're in the same boat, Rick. COCO hit my mental stop this morning and I dutifully pulled the plug. Got wacked on MDC too... Keep baling!=20 I think I better start getting into stocks BEFORE "analysts" single them out as having reached a peak. It's dangerous buying winning stocks. Better to buy them when everybody is going, "well, will it really take off? It LOOKS like it should..." Then you get in when it STARTS its ascent. Trouble is, in my view, getting the perfect CANSLIM entry point is very difficult. It requires an alignment of stars that happens once a blue moon. If you aren't looking at the right part of the sky at the right time, you miss it. Dan :-----Original Message----- :From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com :[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron :Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM :To: canslim@lists.xmission.com :Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades=20 : : :Patti, : :I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general :rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage :houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down :its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it :had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). =20 :This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. : :On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once :bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was :downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped :15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly :me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the :analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill :Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, :and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was :wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm :confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a :profit. : :My two cents, : :Dave : : :=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D :Dave Cameron :dfcameron@yahoo.com : :__________________________________________________ :Do You Yahoo!? :Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices :http://auctions.yahoo.com/ : :- :-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" :-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or :-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : :- :-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" :-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or :-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SJT Sloping handle ?? Date: 23 May 2001 13:15:16 -0600 Neither would bother me, but maybe that's because I don't know enough to be worried. Wouldn't you always get a declining RS during a price consolidation? Seeing volume dry up a little might be desirable, and a range contraction for a day or two. On 23 May 01, at 10:29, Kent Norman wrote: > Would you consider the double top and declining RS a > bad omen? > > Kent Norman > > --- Patrick Wahl wrote: > > That is not a handle, since there is no cup. Its > > more of a LLUR > > type thing. This one is probably ok to buy on a > > pullback since it > > has such a strong overall uptrend. I would just > > try to identify some > > sort of support level or consolidation area before > > buying though. > > > > On 23 May 01, at 8:54, Steve F wrote: > > > > > > > > I like the chart formation and fundies on SJT. I > > am > > > keeping an eye on the sloping downward handle but > > am > > > concerned about the fact the the volume is greater > > > than I would like it to be. Lower than the 50 day > > > average but not fading off either. > > > > > > Any comments. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] COCO - beating a dead horse Date: 23 May 2001 13:16:29 -0700 Just a thought, but I never make decisions except for buy/don't buy based on intraday prices. COCO closed down 5% today on less than 2x ADV. Not a significant drop by my standards. Certainly nowhere near the 50 dma. Even intraday, it didn't hit my 8% stop, which is good since I use hard stops, having no other choice. But, all the analysis going on here based on an intraday drop truly amazed me. What would WON, king of the weekly charts, think? Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - beating a dead horse Date: 23 May 2001 14:09:20 -0700 I agree with you 100% on this issue. I too hold COCO. One shouldn't be concerned with intraday pricing. I started using canslim to make my investing life simpler and not have to track stock by the hour. I only use mental stops. If it drops 9% in one day, so be it. I put in the sell order the next day after the open. Most of the time stocks drop less than that on a per day basis so I rarely get burned past 7-8%. Besides, there is good chance a fundamentally strong stock will regain much of the loss in the last half hour of trade. Looking at COCO after the close - still holding... -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:16 PM > Just a thought, but I never make decisions except for buy/don't buy based > on intraday prices. COCO closed down 5% today on less than 2x ADV. Not a > significant drop by my standards. Certainly nowhere near the 50 dma. Even > intraday, it didn't hit my 8% stop, which is good since I use hard stops, > having no other choice. But, all the analysis going on here based on an > intraday drop truly amazed me. What would WON, king of the weekly charts, > think? > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - beating a dead horse Date: 23 May 2001 17:58:46 EDT Tim: Does the gap down affect your analysis (it looks to me on DG chart that it gapped down). Also, why don't you consider COCO's 5% drop on more than ADV (esp. since it is more than yesterday's volume where the price closed higher) significant? Because it rose above support, and closed at the top of its range? I'm asking because I don't know, and if I did own the stock, this drop (esp. the gap down) would seem worrisome to me. jans In a message dated 5/23/2001 4:16:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tim@OreRockOn.com writes: << Just a thought, but I never make decisions except for buy/don't buy based on intraday prices. COCO closed down 5% today on less than 2x ADV. Not a significant drop by my standards. Certainly nowhere near the 50 dma. Even intraday, it didn't hit my 8% stop, which is good since I use hard stops, having no other choice. But, all the analysis going on here based on an intraday drop truly amazed me. What would WON, king of the weekly charts, think? Tim Fisher >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - beating a dead horse Date: 23 May 2001 15:09:26 -0700 Turn what you said in its head. If I didn't own the stock, this (not a gap) down would be significant.n SInce I do own it, the only thing that is significant is my stop. Period. On 02:58 PM 5/23/01, Spencer48@aol.com Said: >Tim: > > Does the gap down affect your analysis (it looks to me on DG chart that >it gapped down). > > Also, why don't you consider COCO's 5% drop on more than ADV (esp. > since >it is more than yesterday's volume where the price closed higher) >significant? Because it rose above support, and closed at the top of its >range? > > I'm asking because I don't know, and if I did own the stock, this drop >(esp. the gap down) would seem worrisome to me. > >jans > > > >In a message dated 5/23/2001 4:16:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >Tim@OreRockOn.com writes: > ><< Just a thought, but I never make decisions except for buy/don't buy based > on intraday prices. COCO closed down 5% today on less than 2x ADV. Not a > significant drop by my standards. Certainly nowhere near the 50 dma. Even > intraday, it didn't hit my 8% stop, which is good since I use hard stops, > having no other choice. But, all the analysis going on here based on an > intraday drop truly amazed me. What would WON, king of the weekly charts, > think? > > Tim Fisher >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 19:47:20 -0400 Sorry, Rick, but bet you love the analysts when they put a strong buy on something you already own! Closed at the high end of the day's range, right at the gap down. Good sign for those that want to continue watching. Low end of the day's range at 43.10 was right at the short (one week) base, and high end was at the bottom of the volatile base it had been forming. The question I would always like to ask these analysts, assuming the downgrade was because it had reached some mystical, hypothetical valuation based target, or maybe just because they considered it over or fully valued, is why did it take a week of trading in the 50 range to figure that out? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:47 AM COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM Patti, I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped 15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a profit. My two cents, Dave ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 17:01:09 -0700 (PDT) It took a week of trading in the 50 range for the analyst's firm to get all their clients out ;-) --- Tom Worley wrote: > > The question I would always like to ask these analysts, assuming > the downgrade was because it had reached some mystical, > hypothetical valuation based target, or maybe just because they > considered it over or fully valued, is why did it take a week of > trading in the 50 range to figure that out? > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MSS Date: 23 May 2001 19:56:24 -0400 Debt appears quite high for its industry group at 61%, and the group itself (Elec-Measuring Instruments) is quite low at GRS 31. Aside from that, I like it. I missed this one on my watch list quite some time back in its cheaper days, nice to see its still a strong CANSLIM stock at higher prices. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:13 AM MSS 97, D,A,C,B but has nice earnings and growth rate. Looks like it is forming a shallow handle on declining volume. Comments? This is a new addition to the database. Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - RIP Date: 23 May 2001 20:08:17 -0400 I certainly don't consider the money in my IRA as "play money", even if I have fun with it. but despite only buying small and micro cap stocks with excellent CANSLIM characteristics, I still am up about 52% for the year. I think the Russell 2000 Index is currently the best index of all, and I have soundly beaten it (it's up about 6% for the year last time I checked). That's the kind of index beating performance I demand of CANSLIM, and myself. If I cannot substantially beat an unmanaged index, then I am doing something wrong, either in my picks, my application of CANSLIM, or simply of buying individual stocks in the first place. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:10 PM >Again, did you know 3 months ago that you would be better off in index >funds? No. If you think that now, why not put some of that cash into VFINX >then? Diversification is king. I am not nearly 100% in CANSLIM stocks, and >I don't think anyone should be, unless their accounts are funded with >"play >money" and they can afford to lose any of their capital. Oh, I am. I'm CANSLIM investing with a portion only. Still.... > >FYI, I am spectacularly ahead, and so should most on this list be, at >least >for the past month. The CANSLIM parts of my accounts are killing the index >fund parts! I am ahead, but by no means spectacularly ahead. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 20:16:50 -0400 Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent thinkers, capable of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say the same for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or their clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of harm's way. Typically we don't have an investment banking relationship to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no bias. The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain English" labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a "hold" as really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did find such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember if I bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous if it were not so pitiful that many, many people follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. Surely there are some stocks that you would want to unload. With every bit of sincerity, I have found that recommendations or suggestions from the people in this group to surpass anything I have ever received from any brokerage house. Steve --- Tim Fisher wrote: > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > for which the downgrade > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > which would be the > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > am I, and that is what > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > downgrades based on a > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > plain silly. If what is > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > new high, then give me > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > out of a stock before it > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > look right. > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > me not to wait for 8%. > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > something was clearly > >wrong. > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > volume on a downgrade on > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > triggered stops for those > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > was not forgotten days > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > no signs of recovery. > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > ... SERENITY NOW ... > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > within 5% you would still > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > at all concerned about > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > yesterday, these kind of > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > upgrades). As a general > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > analysts for major brokerage > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > strong buy half way down > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > overvalued (AFTER it > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > their clients out). > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > markets this way. I once > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > days later, it was > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > stock quickly dropped > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > down was because of the > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > way that once Merrill > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > stock was down 25%, > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > then, realizing I was > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > price. I'm > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > I would have had a > > > >profit. > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > >Dave Cameron > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SJT Sloping handle ?? Date: 23 May 2001 20:19:35 -0400 Of course. And I don't see it as all that much of a quality LLUR, either. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 1:29 PM Would you consider the double top and declining RS a bad omen? Kent Norman --- Patrick Wahl wrote: > That is not a handle, since there is no cup. Its > more of a LLUR > type thing. This one is probably ok to buy on a > pullback since it > has such a strong overall uptrend. I would just > try to identify some > sort of support level or consolidation area before > buying though. > > On 23 May 01, at 8:54, Steve F wrote: > > > > > I like the chart formation and fundies on SJT. I > am > > keeping an eye on the sloping downward handle but > am > > concerned about the fact the the volume is greater > > than I would like it to be. Lower than the 50 day > > average but not fading off either. > > > > Any comments. > > > > Steve > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PDII Date: 23 May 2001 20:31:55 -0400 Hi Rick, If a stock has fallen 50%, or even 80%, from its 12 month high, it would mean that I must have much stronger and more compelling reasons to buy it now. If the fall was principally because of "M", that would mitigate the damage. That is not the case today. While "M" got pretty ugly, so too did the economy, to the point that finally most major corps had to admit they were being affected. So fundies in most cases have deteriorated. I mentioned some time ago, before the market confirmed its reversal, that if I had the capital to spare where I could lock it up for a few years, I would be buying some "mattress stuffers" like Dell, AOL, Gateway, Corning, MSFT, Intel, Yahoo, JDSU, and many others. Most of these major names are in excellent financial condition, and will be survivors. They won't be kicked off the island cheaply. What has changed for them is investor's sentiment and fear quotient, and that reverses easily and quickly. I only look at stocks that are hitting new highs because I prefer the small and micro cap stocks that practically no one has yet heard of. When they get hit by such huge losses, they do not recover easily as a rule. In the course of this, I do stumble across a few old friends, and occasionally stick it on my watch list, but only if its recent fundies show strong growth and strength. Basically, if their only real flaw is their 12 month high, and the rest of their CS qualities are good, then I am willing to consider them. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:00 PM Tom, Just an observation: In the booklet "40 Great Stock Market Winners" provided by Daily Graphs (printed) they show a several examples of stocks that had fallen 50% before recovering and going on to huge gains. Examples shown were AOL which fell from 140 to 69, IGT which fell from 20 to about 10. At the beginning of the booklet introduction, item #13 says "Most of the moves were preceded by correction and consolidation areas in coincidence with general market corrections." Nevertheless the buy points were made after they came back near to (but not necessarily at) their highs. Granted, PDII has not come back to its previous high, but I don't believe falling 50% is a valid criteria to ignore a stock completely. Especially with great "fundies". But then again I could be wrong. There is no sure thing in this business ! Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:38 PM I don't consider anything that has fallen 50% from its highs. I doubt WON would either. There is so much overhead resistance there it is not worth the fight to get back to near the old high. Again, there are so many good candidates out there right now, why bother with something so beaten down? On 09:26 AM 5/22/01, Rick Parsons Said: >Tim, >I am not familiar with the company. thanks for your comments. >However despite the terminated contract and fall from the 52 week high, it >still has ratings of 99,A,A,A,A with a RS of 95. >This puts it up along the best of the best, does it not >If they can still rate this high after the terminated contract, does that >not say they are doing something right? >Of course I am just a beginner here, so tell me if these ratings must be >ignored. > >Rick > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 12:08 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PDII > > >Are you serious? Are we talking the PDII which has a 52 week high of 142 >and is now at 83? The one who terminated the big contract with Glaxo and >got a 50% haircut? > >On 08:47 AM 5/22/01, Rick Parsons Said: > >Very tight rising base but great CANSLIM ratings, 99, A,A,A,A. > >How would you enter this? > >Comments? > > > >Rick > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 23 May 2001 17:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM characteristics): If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I don't), I wouldn't be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its last base. For me, a base must be at least 6 weeks - preferably more - for me to buy into the stock. Generally, if I've bought on a breakout of less than 8 weeks - I've been wrong over 50% of the time. Just one man's opinion. Dave (p.s. In a recent IBD, Garrett VanWagoner "touted" EMLX and EMBT. He looks at these as stocks that have great potential but got severely beaten down by the tech wreck. Interestingly enough, these stocks still have an RS of over 75 last time I looked despite being way off their high. Not completely CANSLIM - but fits all the characteristics except for being a good ways off the 52-week high.) ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SJT Sloping handle ?? Date: 23 May 2001 20:43:04 -0400 Keep in mind with RS that it is weighed more heavily in favor of the most recent quarter. So a stock that was growing in price nicely while "M" drove most stocks lower would rank higher. When the market reversed and most stocks started rising, by comparison it might not be doing as well. And if it's growth actually slowed as attention was diverted to the big cap names that had fallen on their faces, but were now rising, it could hurt its current RS even more. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:15 PM Neither would bother me, but maybe that's because I don't know enough to be worried. Wouldn't you always get a declining RS during a price consolidation? Seeing volume dry up a little might be desirable, and a range contraction for a day or two. On 23 May 01, at 10:29, Kent Norman wrote: > Would you consider the double top and declining RS a > bad omen? > > Kent Norman > > --- Patrick Wahl wrote: > > That is not a handle, since there is no cup. Its > > more of a LLUR > > type thing. This one is probably ok to buy on a > > pullback since it > > has such a strong overall uptrend. I would just > > try to identify some > > sort of support level or consolidation area before > > buying though. > > > > On 23 May 01, at 8:54, Steve F wrote: > > > > > > > > I like the chart formation and fundies on SJT. I > > am > > > keeping an eye on the sloping downward handle but > > am > > > concerned about the fact the the volume is greater > > > than I would like it to be. Lower than the 50 day > > > average but not fading off either. > > > > > > Any comments. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jsteff" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 20:52:57 -0400 Just a comment about "brokers". If they are so knowledgeable and great at stock picking why are they still trying to sell the "next great company" to their clients? Shouldn't they have made their millions by now and retired? Steff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:16 PM > Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent thinkers, capable > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say the same > for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or their > clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of harm's > way. Typically we don't have an investment banking relationship > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no bias. > > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain English" > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a "hold" as > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did find > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember if I > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post it. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous > if it were not so pitiful that many, many people > follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. > Surely there are some stocks that you would want to > unload. > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > recommendations or suggestions from the people in this > group to surpass anything I have ever received from > any brokerage house. > Steve > > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > > for which the downgrade > > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > > which would be the > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > > am I, and that is what > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > > downgrades based on a > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > > plain silly. If what is > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > > new high, then give me > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > > out of a stock before it > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > > look right. > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > > me not to wait for 8%. > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > > something was clearly > > >wrong. > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > > volume on a downgrade on > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > > triggered stops for those > > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > > was not forgotten days > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > > within 5% you would still > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > > at all concerned about > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > > upgrades). As a general > > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > > analysts for major brokerage > > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > > strong buy half way down > > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > > overvalued (AFTER it > > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > > their clients out). > > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > > markets this way. I once > > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > > days later, it was > > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > > stock quickly dropped > > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > > down was because of the > > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > > way that once Merrill > > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > > stock was down 25%, > > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > > then, realizing I was > > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > > price. I'm > > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > > I would have had a > > > > >profit. > > > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at > > great prices > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > your email. > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > your email. > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > > Sites > > > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 23 May 2001 20:54:54 -0400 Rick, My only comment is essentially non-CANSLIM. I have seen very few retail chains that succeeded long term by focusing solely on the small markets that were too small to support a Walmart or KMart type chain store. I have seen a number that were undone by a major chain building a single store in the town, and wiping them out. I have seen several that decided they were strong enough to go into a major market, but didn't know how to manage a big store. I have never really studied it, just observed it second hand for the most part, as I generally don't like retail stocks. But I have experienced it first hand from several stocks I have owned, which is one reason I avoid retail stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM HIBB breaking out of a nice looking cup and handle on high volume today despite "M". Comments? Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MSS-debt? Date: 23 May 2001 21:13:45 EDT --part1_14.14a0f7ad.283dba49_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where do you find the debt for the canslim stocks? --part1_14.14a0f7ad.283dba49_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where do you find the debt for the canslim stocks? --part1_14.14a0f7ad.283dba49_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades ... plain English Date: 23 May 2001 20:34:40 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01C0E3C7.CA75D1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know about the 'plain English' analysts use but someone must. = Just about the time the downgrade below was issued NVDA went from +5% to = negative territory. I try not to let upgrades/downgrades influence my = decisions but I hate it when I'm on the losing end of a downgrade. =20 Alert: Buckingham Research downgrades NVDA to Accumulate (Headline only) = Briefing.com - 03:48 PM EDT And, why didn't the upgrade below keep FEIC from falling? Did it fall = as part of the semiconductor demise today? As Jerry Jeff Walker said, = "I been taken again." Alert: Needham & Co resumes coverage of FEIC at Strong Buy, price target = $45 (Headline only) Briefing.com - 08:56 AM EDT I guess a falling tide leaves all ships in the mud, 'til the next tide = anyway. And analyst's opinions are just that, someone's opinion. = Sigghhh. Norm ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:16 PM > Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent thinkers, capable > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say the same > for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or their > clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of harm's > way. Typically we don't have an investment banking relationship > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no bias. >=20 > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain English" > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a "hold" as > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did find > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember if I > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post it. >=20 > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades >=20 >=20 > I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous > if it were not so pitiful that many, many people > follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. > Surely there are some stocks that you would want to > unload. > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > recommendations or suggestions from the people in this > group to surpass anything I have ever received from > any brokerage house. > Steve >=20 > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > > for which the downgrade > > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > > which would be the > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > > am I, and that is what > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > > downgrades based on a > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > > plain silly. If what is > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > > new high, then give me > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > > out of a stock before it > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > > look right. > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > > me not to wait for 8%. > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > > something was clearly > > >wrong. > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > > volume on a downgrade on > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > > triggered stops for those > > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > > was not forgotten days > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > > within 5% you would still > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > > at all concerned about > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > > upgrades). As a general > > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > > analysts for major brokerage > > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > > strong buy half way down > > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > > overvalued (AFTER it > > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > > their clients out). > > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > > markets this way. I once > > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > > days later, it was > > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > > stock quickly dropped > > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > > down was because of the > > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > > way that once Merrill > > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > > stock was down 25%, > > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > > then, realizing I was > > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > > price. I'm > > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > > I would have had a > > > > >profit. > > > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at > > great prices > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > your email. > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > your email. > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > > Sites > > > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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I don't know about the 'plain English' analysts use but someone = must. =20 Just about the time the downgrade below was issued NVDA went from = +5% to=20 negative territory.  I try not to let upgrades/downgrades influence = my=20 decisions but I hate it when I'm on the losing end of a downgrade.  =
 
Alert: Buckingham Research downgrades NVDA to = Accumulate=20 (Headline only) Briefing.com - 03:48 PM = EDT
 
And, why didn't the upgrade below keep FEIC from=20 falling?  Did it fall as part of the semiconductor demise = today? =20 As Jerry Jeff Walker said, "I been taken again."
 
Alert:=20 Needham & Co resumes coverage of FEIC at Strong Buy, price target = $45 (Headline only) Briefing.com - = 08:56 AM=20 EDT
 
I guess a falling tide leaves = all ships in=20 the mud, 'til the next tide anyway.  And analyst's opinions are = just that,=20 someone's opinion.  Sigghhh.
 
Norm
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades

> Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent = thinkers,=20 capable
> of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say = the=20 same
> for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or=20 their
> clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of=20 harm's
> way. Typically we don't have an investment banking=20 relationship
> to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no = bias.
>=20
> The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain=20 English"
> labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a = "hold"=20 as
> really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did=20 find
> such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember = if=20 I
> bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post = it.
>=20
> Tom Worley
> stkguru@netside.net
> =
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve F <stevepdv@yahoo.com>
> = href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Re:=20 Analyst up/downgrades
>
>
> I enjoy following the=20 recommendations of analysts that
> have maintained 'buy' or better = on=20 stocks as they have
> fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only=20 then
> changing the recommendations to a 'hold'.  =20 Ridiculous
> if it were not so pitiful that many, many = people
>=20 follow these analysts and their recommendations.  Also
> = check out=20 how many 'sell' recommendations you find.
> Surely there are some = stocks=20 that you would want to
> unload.
> With every bit of = sincerity, I=20 have found that
> recommendations or suggestions from the people = in=20 this
> group to surpass anything I have ever received from
> = any=20 brokerage house.
> Steve
>
> --- Tim Fisher <Tim@OreRockOn.com> = wrote:
> >=20 And I can give you just as many examples of stocks
> > for = which the=20 downgrade
> > was a non-event a few days later. How could you=20 know
> > which would be the
> > case with your stock? = You are=20 not prescient, neither
> > am I, and that is what
> > = stops=20 are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed,
> > downgrades based = on=20 a
> > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just
> = >=20 plain silly. If what is
> > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke = out and=20 reached a
> > new high, then give me
> > more of these = "wrong"=20 stocks, the more the merrier!
> >
> > On 08:36 AM = 5/23/01,=20 Dave Rubin Said:
> > >WON is clear that sometimes you can = and should=20 get
> > out of a stock before it
> > >is down 7-8% = from=20 your buy point if things don't
> > look right.
> >=20 >
> > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign = to
>=20 > me not to wait for 8%.
> > >With the stock violating = its pivot=20 on high volume,
> > something was clearly
> >=20 >wrong.
> > >
> > >RYL is an even better = example. It=20 fell on huge
> > volume on a downgrade on
> > = >5/16. With=20 the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have
> > triggered stops for=20 those
> > >who bought at the right time. But this = downgrade
>=20 > was not forgotten days
> > >later, and RYL is now back = into its=20 base and shows
> > no signs of recovery.
> > = >
> >=20 >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital
> > ... = SERENITY NOW ...
> > >SERENITY NOW ...
> > = >
>=20 > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: = owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
>=20 > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On
> > = Behalf=20 Of Tim Fisher
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 = AM
> > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>=20 > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades
> = >=20 > >
> > > >
> > > > If you had an 8% = stop=20 loss and caught the pivot
> > within 5% you would still
> = >=20 > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not
> > = at all=20 concerned about
> > > > COCO, as the list has discussed = (too=20 much)
> > yesterday, these kind of
> > > > = downgrades=20 are usually forgotten within 2 days
> > of the knee-jerk=20 sell-off.
> > > >
> > > > On 06:47 AM = 5/23/01,=20 Rick Parsons Said:
> > > > >COCO was downgraded this = morning=20 and I got
> > stopped out!  Darn Analysts.
> > = > >=20 >
> > > > >Rick
> > > > >
> = >=20 > > >
> > > > >-----Original = Message-----
>=20 > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
>=20 > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On
> = >=20 Behalf Of Dave Cameron
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, = 2001=20 10:11 PM
> > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>=20 > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades
> = >=20 > > >
> > > > >
> > > >=20 >Patti,
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm = very=20 cynical on analyst downgrades (or
> > upgrades).   As = a=20 general
> > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the=20 Nasdaq,
> > analysts for major brokerage
> > > > = >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a
> > strong buy = half way=20 down
> > > > >its descent.   At that point, = they'd=20 say it was
> > overvalued (AFTER it
> > > > = >had=20 already shed 30% - and they'd probably got
> > their clients=20 out).
> > > > >This proclamation generally was the=20 catalyst
> > for another quick fall.
> > > >=20 >
> > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in=20 bull
> > markets this way.   I once
> > > = >=20 >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high.   2
> = > days=20 later, it was
> > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch=20 analyst.   The
> > stock quickly dropped
> > = >=20 > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a
> > quick = 8%=20 loss.   Silly
> > > > >me, I figured the = only reason=20 the stock went
> > down was because of the
> > > = >=20 >analyst downgrade.   Well, I learned the hard
> > = way=20 that once Merrill
> > > > >Lynch talks, others=20 follow.   A week later, the
> > stock was down = 25%,
>=20 > > > >and I was still holding it.   I had to = sell
>=20 > then, realizing I was
> > > > >wrong.  3 = months=20 later it got back above my buy
> > price.   = I'm
> >=20 > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock,
> = > I=20 would have had a
> > > > >profit.
> > > = >=20 >
> > > > >My two cents,
> > > >=20 >
> > > > >Dave
> > > > >
> = >=20 > > >
> > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > = > > >Dave=20 Cameron
> > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com
> > > = >=20 >
> > > >
> >=20 >__________________________________________________
> > > = >=20 >Do You Yahoo!?
> > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the = things=20 you want at
> > great prices
> > > >=20 >http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> > > > >
> > = >=20 > >-
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> > > = > Tim=20 Fisher
> > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists = WWW
> > Sites
> > > >
> > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com
> > = > >=20 WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
> = > >=20 > See naked fish and rocks!
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> ------=_NextPart_000_017E_01C0E3C7.CA75D1D0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Fader" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] MSS Date: 23 May 2001 21:34:10 -0400 It's pretty far off its 52 week high of around 31. If you're using DGO, the data boxes on the charts may have obscured this. Also note most of the companies in the leadership of this group have high debt. - Hugh -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:56 PM Debt appears quite high for its industry group at 61%, and the group itself (Elec-Measuring Instruments) is quite low at GRS 31. Aside from that, I like it. I missed this one on my watch list quite some time back in its cheaper days, nice to see its still a strong CANSLIM stock at higher prices. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:13 AM MSS 97, D,A,C,B but has nice earnings and growth rate. Looks like it is forming a shallow handle on declining volume. Comments? This is a new addition to the database. Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Lien" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Date: 23 May 2001 21:43:02 -0400 test -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:33 AM Rick: I also had trouble connecting to DG this morning. I wrote to them, and here is there reply (apparently they were having problems at their end): Thank you for your recent e-mail to Daily Graphs Online. The message that you noted is an indication that your computer was not able to connect to our network. At the time this occurred, we were experiencing a minor issue that has since been resolved. Please log in to Daily Graphs Online at your earliest convenience. I thank you for your patience on this matter. Please write back if you have any questions or if we may assist you in any way. Best regards, Dan Daily Graphs Online jans In a message dated 5/23/2001 9:46:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com writes: << Is it just me or are others having problems opening DGO this morning? (5/23) Rick >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 21:44:50 -0400 Not to defend them, but being a good broker requires lots of effort and time. I considered myself a "good" broker, even if all my thoughts and opinions didn't prove to be correct. I still gave it my best effort, and typically worked a 12 hour day. Far too many brokers are simply sales persons. That is a result of the industry, not necessarily their personal ethics. So long as their compensation is dependent on commissions generated, the problem will persist. And sales persons rarely understand the importance of service. When you are financially rewarded for generating a commission, without regard or consequence to whether it proves to be in the best interests of the client, you will have a major problem. That is why asset managers, who take a fee based on the value of the acct, are succeeding. If they do a good job overall of managing the portfolio, then its value goes up and so does their percentage based fee. There will always be a large number of people who simply lack the time, knowledge or experience to manage their own portfolio. Unfortunately, it takes the combination of both success and time for a Registered Rep to attain the power to oppose the policy and attitudes of his employer, and become a self determining broker. WON talks in HTMMIS about both his personal experience as a broker, as well as how to find the right one for you "today" (over 10 years ago). I find his words still current and accurate, and worth reading again if you are not doing your own trades online without assistance. One of the enlightening observations when I became a broker over a decade ago was to discover just how few brokers were capable of managing their own personal finances. Back then, most brokers were on the payroll as "self employed", meaning they not only were responsible for all the FICA and SS taxes and stuff, but were expected to make quarterly payments of estimated taxes to IRS. I never had done that before, but did not find it too difficult (other than financially). But I was amazed to find that most brokers tended to just spend their paycheck without thought to consequences, and ended up in major debt to IRS. Brokers tend to be eternally optimistic, they have to be, as their income depends directly on the trading activity of their clients. I couldn't encourage clients to trade when I didn't feel it was right for them, so my activity (and resulting income) was down, and why I am not a broker today. Why am I not financially independent today? Lots of reasons, including loss of income when my wife died, lack of capital to generate gains (50% growth sounds good, but when it's on a $5,000 account, you don't retire on it), high expenses that took years to overcome, lack of discipline and knowledge, etc. Were I in a lapse of memory and intelligence to suddenly find myself once again handling clients, I would do things differently, mostly persuading clients to put most of their funds into a mutual fund, with class "C" shares. That generates a trailing commission, much like an annuity. It means living without much of an income from funds invested now, but creating a steady income stream for the future. And for most clients, the stability of funds allows them to sleep comfortably at night, and only look at their portfolio every quarter or so. Ultimately, it takes money to make money, and most brokers don't have the money to start with, and don't really know what to do with it when they have it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:52 PM Just a comment about "brokers". If they are so knowledgeable and great at stock picking why are they still trying to sell the "next great company" to their clients? Shouldn't they have made their millions by now and retired? Steff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:16 PM > Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent thinkers, capable > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say the same > for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or their > clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of harm's > way. Typically we don't have an investment banking relationship > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no bias. > > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain English" > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a "hold" as > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did find > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember if I > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post it. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous > if it were not so pitiful that many, many people > follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. > Surely there are some stocks that you would want to > unload. > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > recommendations or suggestions from the people in this > group to surpass anything I have ever received from > any brokerage house. > Steve > > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > > for which the downgrade > > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > > which would be the > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > > am I, and that is what > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > > downgrades based on a > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > > plain silly. If what is > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > > new high, then give me > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > > out of a stock before it > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > > look right. > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > > me not to wait for 8%. > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > > something was clearly > > >wrong. > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > > volume on a downgrade on > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > > triggered stops for those > > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > > was not forgotten days > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > > within 5% you would still > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > > at all concerned about > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > > upgrades). As a general > > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > > analysts for major brokerage > > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > > strong buy half way down > > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > > overvalued (AFTER it > > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > > their clients out). > > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > > markets this way. I once > > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > > days later, it was > > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > > stock quickly dropped > > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > > down was because of the > > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > > way that once Merrill > > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > > stock was down 25%, > > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > > then, realizing I was > > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > > price. I'm > > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > > I would have had a > > > > >profit. > > > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at > > great prices > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > your email. > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > your email. > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > > Sites > > > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Date: 23 May 2001 20:54:13 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C0E3CA.85D67FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it's been erratic this evening but I was finally able to get on.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan Lien=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? test -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of = Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:33 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Rick: I also had trouble connecting to DG this morning. I wrote to = them, and here is there reply (apparently they were having problems at their end): Thank you for your recent e-mail to Daily Graphs Online. The message that you noted is an indication that your computer was not able to connect to our network. At the time this occurred, we were experiencing a minor issue that has since been resolved. Please log = in to Daily Graphs Online at your earliest convenience. I thank you for your patience on this matter. Please write back if you have any questions or if we may assist you in any way. Best regards, Dan Daily Graphs Online jans In a message dated 5/23/2001 9:46:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com writes: << Is it just me or are others having problems opening DGO this = morning? (5/23) Rick >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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it's been erratic this evening but I = was finally=20 able to get on....
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jonathan Lien
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 = 8:43=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO = service=20 down?

test

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com
Sent:=20 Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:33 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service=20 down?


Rick:

     I also had = trouble=20 connecting to DG this morning.  I wrote to them,
and here is = there=20 reply (apparently they were having problems at=20 their
end):

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In a message dated 5/23/2001 9:46:47 = AM=20 Eastern Daylight Time,
RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com=20 writes:

<< Is it just me or are others having problems = opening=20 DGO this morning?
(5/23)

 Rick >>

-
-To = subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.

-
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-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C0E3CA.85D67FE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MSS-debt? Date: 23 May 2001 21:51:41 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C0E3D2.8CF0C300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DGO Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BIKEAR@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MSS-debt? where do you find the debt for the canslim stocks?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C0E3D2.8CF0C300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DGO
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 BIKEAR@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 = 9:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = MSS-debt?

where do = you find the=20 debt for the canslim stocks? ------=_NextPart_000_0148_01C0E3D2.8CF0C300-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MSS Date: 23 May 2001 21:50:57 -0400 You are right, Hugh, more of the top companies in this group have high debt than those that do not, I should have checked this first. I note that GRMN and TEK are the only ones in the top 6 that do not have high debt. But I still do not understand why this group should be showing such high debt. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:34 PM It's pretty far off its 52 week high of around 31. If you're using DGO, the data boxes on the charts may have obscured this. Also note most of the companies in the leadership of this group have high debt. - Hugh -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:56 PM Debt appears quite high for its industry group at 61%, and the group itself (Elec-Measuring Instruments) is quite low at GRS 31. Aside from that, I like it. I missed this one on my watch list quite some time back in its cheaper days, nice to see its still a strong CANSLIM stock at higher prices. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:13 AM MSS 97, D,A,C,B but has nice earnings and growth rate. Looks like it is forming a shallow handle on declining volume. Comments? This is a new addition to the database. Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Date: 23 May 2001 22:04:26 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C0E3D4.5570C680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been on for 2.5 hours continuously, without any problems. Maybe I'm "special"?? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? it's been erratic this evening but I was finally able to get on.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jonathan Lien=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:43 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? test -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of = Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:33 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Rick: I also had trouble connecting to DG this morning. I wrote to = them, and here is there reply (apparently they were having problems at = their end): Thank you for your recent e-mail to Daily Graphs Online. The message that you noted is an indication that your computer was = not able to connect to our network. At the time this occurred, we were experiencing a minor issue that has since been resolved. Please log = in to Daily Graphs Online at your earliest convenience. I thank you = for your patience on this matter. Please write back if you have any questions or if we may assist you = in any way. Best regards, Dan Daily Graphs Online jans In a message dated 5/23/2001 9:46:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com writes: << Is it just me or are others having problems opening DGO this = morning? (5/23) Rick >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C0E3D4.5570C680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been on for 2.5 hours continuously, without any = problems.
 
Maybe I'm "special"??
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 = 9:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO = service=20 down?

it's been erratic this evening but I = was=20 finally able to get on....
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jonathan Lien
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 = 8:43=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO = service=20 down?

test

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 May 23, 2001 10:33 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service=20 down?


Rick:

     I also had = trouble=20 connecting to DG this morning.  I wrote to them,
and here is = there=20 reply (apparently they were having problems at=20 their
end):

     Thank you for your = recent=20 e-mail to Daily Graphs Online.

The message that you noted is = an=20 indication that your computer was not
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any way.

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Dan
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jans



In a message dated 5/23/2001 = 9:46:47 AM=20 Eastern Daylight Time,
RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com=20 writes:

<< Is it just me or are others having problems = opening=20 DGO this morning?
(5/23)

 Rick = >>

-
-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.

-
-To subscribe/unsubscribe, = email=20 "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= =20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your=20 email. ------=_NextPart_000_0163_01C0E3D4.5570C680-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MSS Date: 23 May 2001 22:08:01 EDT --part1_d5.6d97cd1.283dc701_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I find the debt on the investors.com? Before I buy a stock I like to see the debt..I really like the beta test that IBD let us do....when on the net can I go to find the debt.thanks --part1_d5.6d97cd1.283dc701_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can I find the debt on the investors.com? Before I buy a stock I like to see
the debt..I really like the beta test that IBD let us do....when on the net
can I go to find the debt.thanks --part1_d5.6d97cd1.283dc701_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst Date: 23 May 2001 22:08:50 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C0E3D4.F25B1040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An excerpt from today's Editorial - Feature Article at investors.com. Wall Street's high-priced analysts cheered the loudest for technology = stocks last year when they should have been screaming "Sell!" Now, with a new bull market gathering momentum, they're still out of = step. Some stocks are recovering powerfully after analysts all but gave = up on them. "I think they got caught up in irrational exuberance," said Mitch Zacks = of Zacks Investment Research. "It's very difficult to predict stock = prices. But their analysis became divorced from reality." There's a lesson for investors in this: When you see an analyst on TV, = hit the mute button. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades ... plain English I don't know about the 'plain English' analysts use but someone must. = Just about the time the downgrade below was issued NVDA went from +5% to = negative territory. I try not to let upgrades/downgrades influence my = decisions but I hate it when I'm on the losing end of a downgrade. =20 Alert: Buckingham Research downgrades NVDA to Accumulate (Headline = only) Briefing.com - 03:48 PM EDT And, why didn't the upgrade below keep FEIC from falling? Did it fall = as part of the semiconductor demise today? As Jerry Jeff Walker said, = "I been taken again." Alert: Needham & Co resumes coverage of FEIC at Strong Buy, price = target $45 (Headline only) Briefing.com - 08:56 AM EDT I guess a falling tide leaves all ships in the mud, 'til the next tide = anyway. And analyst's opinions are just that, someone's opinion. = Sigghhh. Norm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Tom Worley" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades=20 > Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent thinkers, capable > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say the same > for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or their > clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of harm's > way. Typically we don't have an investment banking relationship > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no bias. >=20 > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain English" > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a "hold" as > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did find > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember if I > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post it. >=20 > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve F > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades >=20 >=20 > I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous > if it were not so pitiful that many, many people > follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. > Surely there are some stocks that you would want to > unload. > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > recommendations or suggestions from the people in this > group to surpass anything I have ever received from > any brokerage house. > Steve >=20 > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > > for which the downgrade > > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > > which would be the > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > > am I, and that is what > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > > downgrades based on a > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > > plain silly. If what is > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > > new high, then give me > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > > out of a stock before it > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > > look right. > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > > me not to wait for 8%. > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > > something was clearly > > >wrong. > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > > volume on a downgrade on > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > > triggered stops for those > > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > > was not forgotten days > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > > within 5% you would still > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > > at all concerned about > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > > upgrades). As a general > > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > > analysts for major brokerage > > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > > strong buy half way down > > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > > overvalued (AFTER it > > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > > their clients out). > > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > > markets this way. I once > > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > > days later, it was > > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > > stock quickly dropped > > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > > down was because of the > > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > > way that once Merrill > > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > > stock was down 25%, > > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > > then, realizing I was > > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > > price. I'm > > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > > I would have had a > > > > >profit. > > > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >Yahoo! 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An excerpt from today's Editorial - Feature Article at = investors.com.

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Wall Street’s high-priced analysts cheered the loudest for = technology stocks=20 last year when they should have been screaming “Sell!”

Now, with a new bull market gathering momentum, they’re still = out of step.=20 Some stocks are recovering powerfully after analysts all but gave up on=20 them.

“I think they got caught up in irrational exuberance,” = said Mitch Zacks of=20 Zacks Investment Research. “It’s very difficult to predict = stock prices. But=20 their analysis became divorced from reality.”

There’s a lesson for investors in this: When you see an analyst = on TV, hit=20 the mute button.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Norman
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 = 8:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: = Analyst=20 up/downgrades ... plain English

I don't know about the 'plain English' analysts use but someone=20 must.  Just about the time the downgrade below was issued = NVDA went=20 from +5% to negative territory.  I try not to let = upgrades/downgrades=20 influence my decisions but I hate it when I'm on the losing end of a=20 downgrade. 
 
Alert: Buckingham Research downgrades NVDA = to=20 Accumulate (Headline only) Briefing.com - 03:48 PM=20 EDT
 
And, why didn't the upgrade below keep FEIC = from=20 falling?  Did it fall as part of the semiconductor demise=20 today?  As Jerry Jeff Walker said, "I been taken = again."
 
Alert:=20 Needham & Co resumes coverage of FEIC at Strong Buy, price target = $45=20 (Headline only) = Briefing.com - 08:56=20 AM EDT
 
I guess a falling tide leaves = all ships=20 in the mud, 'til the next tide anyway.  And analyst's opinions = are just=20 that, someone's opinion.  Sigghhh.
 
Norm
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Tom Worley" <stkguru@netside.net>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades

> Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent = thinkers,=20 capable
> of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could = say the=20 same
> for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or=20 their
> clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of=20 harm's
> way. Typically we don't have an investment banking=20 relationship
> to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no=20 bias.
>
> The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to = their "plain=20 English"
> labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a = "hold"=20 as
> really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did=20 find
> such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember = if=20 I
> bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post = it.
>=20
> Tom Worley
> stkguru@netside.net
> =
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve F <stevepdv@yahoo.com>
> = = href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Re:=20 Analyst up/downgrades
>
>
> I enjoy following the=20 recommendations of analysts that
> have maintained 'buy' or = better on=20 stocks as they have
> fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and = only=20 then
> changing the recommendations to a 'hold'.  =20 Ridiculous
> if it were not so pitiful that many, many = people
>=20 follow these analysts and their recommendations.  Also
> = check out=20 how many 'sell' recommendations you find.
> Surely there are = some stocks=20 that you would want to
> unload.
> With every bit of = sincerity, I=20 have found that
> recommendations or suggestions from the people = in=20 this
> group to surpass anything I have ever received = from
> any=20 brokerage house.
> Steve
>
> --- Tim Fisher <Tim@OreRockOn.com> = wrote:
> >=20 And I can give you just as many examples of stocks
> > for = which the=20 downgrade
> > was a non-event a few days later. How could you = know
> > which would be the
> > case with your = stock? You=20 are not prescient, neither
> > am I, and that is what
> = >=20 stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed,
> > = downgrades based=20 on a
> > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are = just
>=20 > plain silly. If what is
> > "wrong" with COCO is that it = broke=20 out and reached a
> > new high, then give me
> > = more of=20 these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier!
> >
> > = On 08:36=20 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said:
> > >WON is clear that = sometimes you=20 can and should get
> > out of a stock before it
> > = >is=20 down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't
> > look = right.
>=20 > >
> > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear = sign=20 to
> > me not to wait for 8%.
> > >With the stock = violating its pivot on high volume,
> > something was = clearly
>=20 > >wrong.
> > >
> > >RYL is an even = better=20 example. It fell on huge
> > volume on a downgrade on
> = >=20 >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have
> > = triggered=20 stops for those
> > >who bought at the right time. But = this=20 downgrade
> > was not forgotten days
> > >later, = and RYL=20 is now back into its base and shows
> > no signs of = recovery.
>=20 > >
> > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of = capital
> > ... SERENITY NOW ...
> > >SERENITY = NOW=20 ...
> > >
> > > > -----Original=20 Message-----
> > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
>=20 > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On
> = > Behalf=20 Of Tim Fisher
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 = 11:27=20 AM
> > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>=20 > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst = up/downgrades
> >=20 > >
> > > >
> > > > If you had an = 8% stop=20 loss and caught the pivot
> > within 5% you would = still
> >=20 > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not
> = > at all=20 concerned about
> > > > COCO, as the list has discussed = (too=20 much)
> > yesterday, these kind of
> > > > = downgrades=20 are usually forgotten within 2 days
> > of the knee-jerk=20 sell-off.
> > > >
> > > > On 06:47 AM = 5/23/01,=20 Rick Parsons Said:
> > > > >COCO was downgraded this = morning=20 and I got
> > stopped out!  Darn Analysts.
> > = >=20 > >
> > > > >Rick
> > > > = >
>=20 > > > >
> > > > >-----Original=20 Message-----
> > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
>=20 > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On
> = >=20 Behalf Of Dave Cameron
> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May = 22, 2001=20 10:11 PM
> > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>=20 > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst = up/downgrades
> >=20 > > >
> > > > >
> > > >=20 >Patti,
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm = very=20 cynical on analyst downgrades (or
> > upgrades).   = As a=20 general
> > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the=20 Nasdaq,
> > analysts for major brokerage
> > > = >=20 >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a
> > strong buy = half=20 way down
> > > > >its descent.   At that = point,=20 they'd say it was
> > overvalued (AFTER it
> > > = >=20 >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got
> > their = clients=20 out).
> > > > >This proclamation generally was the=20 catalyst
> > for another quick fall.
> > > >=20 >
> > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in=20 bull
> > markets this way.   I once
> > = > >=20 >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high.   2
> = >=20 days later, it was
> > > > >downgraded by a Merrill = Lynch=20 analyst.   The
> > stock quickly dropped
> = > >=20 > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a
> > = quick 8%=20 loss.   Silly
> > > > >me, I figured the = only=20 reason the stock went
> > down was because of the
> = > >=20 > >analyst downgrade.   Well, I learned the = hard
> >=20 way that once Merrill
> > > > >Lynch talks, others=20 follow.   A week later, the
> > stock was down = 25%,
>=20 > > > >and I was still holding it.   I had to=20 sell
> > then, realizing I was
> > > >=20 >wrong.  3 months later it got back above my buy
> >=20 price.   I'm
> > > > >confident that had = ML not=20 downgraded the stock,
> > I would have had a
> > = > >=20 >profit.
> > > > >
> > > > >My = two=20 cents,
> > > > >
> > > > = >Dave
>=20 > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > = >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > > >Dave Cameron
> = > > >=20 >dfcameron@yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > >=20 >
> >=20 >__________________________________________________
> > = > >=20 >Do You Yahoo!?
> > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy = the things=20 you want at
> > great prices
> > > >=20 >http://auctions.yahoo.com/
> > > > >
> = > >=20 > >-
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>=20 > "majordomo@xmission.com"
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> > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim".  Do not use = quotes=20 in
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> > your email.
> > > >
> > > = > Tim=20 Fisher
> > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery = Biologists=20 WWW
> > Sites
> > > >
> > > > = Tim@OreRockOn.com
> > = > >=20 WWW: http://OreRockOn.com
> = > >=20 > See naked fish and rocks!
> > > >
> > = >=20 >
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> >
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> > = See naked=20 fish and rocks!
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>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C0E3D4.F25B1040-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: [CANSLIM] NON-CANSLIM Analyst up/downgrades or 'Starting Coverage' Date: 23 May 2001 21:39:34 -0600 I don't follow analysts ratings as part of my process of selecting stocks. However, today on TM.com I happened to browse an article about Apple. Definitely not CANSLIM but I have a co-worker who's ridden Apple up 200% and back down to even in a year so I try to give him a bad time about it. This article is about Goldman Sachs starting coverage on Apple with a Market Outperform rating. Apple is in a group with RS 7. Apples RS is 37 and EPS is 45. It's last two quarters were big losers compared to same quarter previous year. The other top stocks in the group are NCR 64/98, IBM 59/90, Dell 43/81, Hwp 24/46, Sunw 19/82. What I found really odd about Apples numbers is it's PE is 179 and book value 1.96. The PE's of the other stocks in the group are all under 45. The positive about Apple is some new products and their opening of some retail stores. And the RS of Apple was also mentioned as a positive. I don't know what RS number they're looking at but to me RS 37 is'nt positive. The near term expectation of price appreciation for Apple associated with this 'Market Outperform' rating is 29 bucks. It's at 23 bucks. That's almost a 30% gain. Not bad but looking at the numbers, especially the PE, I'd say (but of course I'm no analyst) that Apple has a better chance of losing 6 bucks right now than gaining it. In fact I think I'll buy a Put on Apple. Then if I make money on it I can really give my co-worker a bad time. Of course if I lose money on it I won't tell him about it. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 20:45:11 -0700 Spencer48@aol.com wrote: > Canslimmers: > > I've noticed time and again (eg. COCO) that a stock should be sold after > making a new high when the THE RS LINE doesn't confirm by going to a new high > itself. I know not much attention or credence is given this indicator, > but-even though it is sometimes early (ie. the stock makes a new high, the RS > line doesn't, and the stock goes on up to 10% or more before plummeting)-it > more often than not takes good aim, signalling a weak stock. Agreed. I think is a good indicator to keep in ones tool box. The MACD_Histogram, in this case diverged strongly (visually) and did not confirm the new high, and just noticed OBV did not. But, they all confirmed the divergence. Of course, occurring yesterday, it would have been tough to escape the gap down. It would be good to keep an eye on it, and consider an entry when the above turn up, if it consolidates around this level. Dan > > > I certainly would use it to buy (for exp. I wouldn't buy a BO if the > stock's RS line also doesn't (or in the recent past there isn't a) BO to a > new high. And I would use it to sell (I haven't used it so far because I'm > not too sure of the stamina of this rally (so I haven't made any buys > recently), and I've only begun paying attention to the RS line in the last > couple months). > > I wouldn't completely give up on the stock if the stock makes a new high > and the RS line doesn't, but I certainly would tighten my stop. > > jans > > In a message dated 5/23/2001 11:25:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > Tim@OreRockOn.com writes: > > << If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot within 5% you would still > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not at all concerned about > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) yesterday, these kind of > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > >Rick > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > >Patti, > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a > >profit. > > > >My two cents, > > > >Dave > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? Date: 23 May 2001 21:47:27 -0600 We always suspected you were "special" ;) On 23 May 01, at 22:04, Tom Worley wrote: > I've been on for 2.5 hours continuously, without any problems. > > Maybe I'm "special"?? > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gene Ricci > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? > > > it's been erratic this evening but I was finally able to get on.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Lien > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:43 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? > > > test > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:33 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO service down? > > > Rick: > > I also had trouble connecting to DG this morning. I wrote to them, > and here is there reply (apparently they were having problems at their > end): > > Thank you for your recent e-mail to Daily Graphs Online. > > The message that you noted is an indication that your computer was not > able to connect to our network. At the time this occurred, we were > experiencing a minor issue that has since been resolved. Please log in > to Daily Graphs Online at your earliest convenience. I thank you for > your patience on this matter. > > Please write back if you have any questions or if we may assist you in > any way. > > Best regards, > Dan > Daily Graphs Online > > jans > > > > In a message dated 5/23/2001 9:46:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com writes: > > << Is it just me or are others having problems opening DGO this morning? > (5/23) > > Rick >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 23 May 2001 21:47:27 -0600 Analysts are actually the guys making the stock picks, they are the ones upgrading and downgrading stocks. Brokers are mainly salesman, and they are touting stocks to clients that are recommended by the brokerage's research staff (analysts). On 23 May 01, at 20:52, jsteff wrote: > Just a comment about "brokers". If they are so knowledgeable and great at > stock picking why are they still trying to sell the "next great company" to > their clients? Shouldn't they have made their millions by now and retired? > Steff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Worley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent thinkers, capable > > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say the same > > for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or their > > clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of harm's > > way. Typically we don't have an investment banking relationship > > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no bias. > > > > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain English" > > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a "hold" as > > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did find > > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember if I > > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post it. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve F > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that > > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have > > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then > > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous > > if it were not so pitiful that many, many people > > follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also > > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. > > Surely there are some stocks that you would want to > > unload. > > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > > recommendations or suggestions from the people in this > > group to surpass anything I have ever received from > > any brokerage house. > > Steve > > > > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > > > for which the downgrade > > > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > > > which would be the > > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > > > am I, and that is what > > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > > > downgrades based on a > > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > > > plain silly. If what is > > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > > > new high, then give me > > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > > > out of a stock before it > > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > > > look right. > > > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > > > me not to wait for 8%. > > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > > > something was clearly > > > >wrong. > > > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > > > volume on a downgrade on > > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > > > triggered stops for those > > > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > > > was not forgotten days > > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > > > within 5% you would still > > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > > > at all concerned about > > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > > > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > > > upgrades). As a general > > > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > > > analysts for major brokerage > > > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > > > strong buy half way down > > > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > > > overvalued (AFTER it > > > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > > > their clients out). > > > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > > > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > > > markets this way. I once > > > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > > > days later, it was > > > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > > > stock quickly dropped > > > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > > > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > > > down was because of the > > > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > > > way that once Merrill > > > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > > > stock was down 25%, > > > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > > > then, realizing I was > > > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > > > price. I'm > > > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > > > I would have had a > > > > > >profit. > > > > > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at > > > great prices > > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > > or > > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > > or > > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > > > Sites > > > > > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. Too much? Date: 23 May 2001 21:45:37 -0700 From time to time I see posts here refering to additional technical indicators. I think these are great additional tools for the advanced folks and those with extra time to learn to incorporate them correctly. They might include the MACD and Stochastic indicators as a sample. I just want to say that these are not covered in HTMMIS and not somthing one needs to get too concerned about. I'm not saying we should not discuss these tools but I felt it needed to be explained to some of the newer folks here. I've been following canslim for 3 years now and have found there are enough tools for stock selection and selling that you can keep it simple. -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Carr" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 23 May 2001 23:54:29 -0500 Andy, I'm speaking from a limited experience base on this, but will cite one recent example. A few weeks ago, I watched PECS break out of a very nice C&H. I decided to pass on it, primarily because the ADV was sitting around 15K at the time. Great idea! PECS is now ~68% above the pivot, and the volume accompanying the buyout has knocked the ADV up to over 108K. I'll think more seriously about letting this scare me off next time. Jim ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:59 AM > I think there is much to like about HIBB.... > > I am concerned about average daily volume (16,000). I believe WON > recommends a much higher number to be considered. > > Thoughts? > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Parsons" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > > HIBB breaking out of a nice looking cup and handle on high volume today > > despite "M". > > > > Comments? > > > > Rick > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 23 May 2001 23:01:50 -0600 I'm not sure I understand your point. I count the base of IGT as having a duration of 10 weeks. The left side of the cup started on 03/07. The cup 7 weeks and the handle 3 weeks. It's short but it is a base in a strongly uptrending stock with excellent numbers. And I believe it's breakout point of 57 should provide good support if tested. 60 might even be good support. And any price between 57 and 60 could provide a possible second chance entry. At 05:42 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM characteristics): > >If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I don't), I wouldn't >be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its last base. >For me, a base must be at least 6 weeks - preferably more - for me to >buy into the stock. Generally, if I've bought on a breakout of less >than 8 weeks - I've been wrong over 50% of the time. > >Just one man's opinion. > >Dave > >(p.s. In a recent IBD, Garrett VanWagoner "touted" EMLX and EMBT. >He looks at these as stocks that have great potential but got >severely beaten down by the tech wreck. Interestingly enough, these >stocks still have an RS of over 75 last time I looked despite being >way off their high. Not completely CANSLIM - but fits all the >characteristics except for being a good ways off the 52-week high.) > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. Too much? Date: 23 May 2001 22:41:32 -0700 Bill Triffet wrote: > >From time to time I see posts here refering to additional technical > indicators. I think these are great additional tools for the advanced folks > and those with extra time to learn to incorporate them correctly. They might > include the MACD and Stochastic indicators as a sample. I just want to say > that these are not covered in HTMMIS and not somthing one needs to get too > concerned about. I'm not saying we should not discuss these tools but I felt It sounds like you are equating oneil's not covering them to them being unimportant! I view a few select ones as as essential as headlights at night: dangerous without them. > > it needed to be explained to some of the newer folks here. > I've been following canslim for 3 years now and have found there are enough > tools for stock selection and selling that you can keep it simple. > > -Bill Triffet > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Brion Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 24 May 2001 00:39:56 -0700 Besides being thinly traded, DGO shows funds ownership at 51%, way above my limit of 30%. Drewcorp wrote: > I think there is much to like about HIBB.... > > I am concerned about average daily volume (16,000). I believe WON > recommends a much higher number to be considered. > > Thoughts? > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Parsons" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > HIBB breaking out of a nice looking cup and handle on high volume today > > despite "M". > > > > Comments? > > > > Rick > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 24 May 2001 06:40:36 -0400 Jim, I will speak from a very extensive experience of buying and trading stocks with very small ADV. In over two years of owning EPIQ, to cite one successful example, I have seen many days when it traded 1,000 shares or less. Most of that time the ADV remained under 10,000. That it has succeeded big time is despite those years of low liquidity. For CANSLIM purposes, you really want to only look at stocks with decent liquidity, I would suggest a minimum of 50,000 ADV, measured BEFORE a price spike and subsequent high volume significantly raises the ADV. You want to buy a stock that the funds will also be interested in buying. If it is so illiquid that they will only chance a buy once the volume had grown substantially, it is more likely they will be there only short term, take a quick profit, and exit. And their exit will do more damage, often halting a rally in progress, than their buying ever contributed to keeping the momentum rolling. And the more liquid a stock, normally the tighter the spread between the bid and ask. And that's important if you are using an 8% stop from your entry, you don't want to give up 1% just to the spread. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:54 AM Andy, I'm speaking from a limited experience base on this, but will cite one recent example. A few weeks ago, I watched PECS break out of a very nice C&H. I decided to pass on it, primarily because the ADV was sitting around 15K at the time. Great idea! PECS is now ~68% above the pivot, and the volume accompanying the buyout has knocked the ADV up to over 108K. I'll think more seriously about letting this scare me off next time. Jim ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:59 AM > I think there is much to like about HIBB.... > > I am concerned about average daily volume (16,000). I believe WON > recommends a much higher number to be considered. > > Thoughts? > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Parsons" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > > HIBB breaking out of a nice looking cup and handle on high volume today > > despite "M". > > > > Comments? > > > > Rick > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Carr" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 24 May 2001 06:44:59 -0500 Tom, Your point makes good sense, as usual. Thanks for sharing your experience. I was speaking having only seen what happened to PECS when the funds started coming in. Will try to remember to watch so I can learn from what happens when they start to exit. Jim ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:40 AM > Jim, > > I will speak from a very extensive experience of buying and > trading stocks with very small ADV. In over two years of owning > EPIQ, to cite one successful example, I have seen many days when > it traded 1,000 shares or less. Most of that time the ADV > remained under 10,000. That it has succeeded big time is despite > those years of low liquidity. > > For CANSLIM purposes, you really want to only look at stocks with > decent liquidity, I would suggest a minimum of 50,000 ADV, > measured BEFORE a price spike and subsequent high volume > significantly raises the ADV. > > You want to buy a stock that the funds will also be interested in > buying. If it is so illiquid that they will only chance a buy > once the volume had grown substantially, it is more likely they > will be there only short term, take a quick profit, and exit. And > their exit will do more damage, often halting a rally in > progress, than their buying ever contributed to keeping the > momentum rolling. > > And the more liquid a stock, normally the tighter the spread > between the bid and ask. And that's important if you are using an > 8% stop from your entry, you don't want to give up 1% just to the > spread. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Carr > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:54 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > Andy, > I'm speaking from a limited experience base on this, but will > cite one > recent example. A few weeks ago, I watched PECS break out of a > very nice > C&H. I decided to pass on it, primarily because the ADV was > sitting around > 15K at the time. Great idea! PECS is now ~68% above the pivot, > and the > volume accompanying the buyout has knocked the ADV up to over > 108K. I'll > think more seriously about letting this scare me off next time. > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drewcorp" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > > I think there is much to like about HIBB.... > > > > I am concerned about average daily volume (16,000). I believe > WON > > recommends a much higher number to be considered. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Andy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Parsons" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > > > > > HIBB breaking out of a nice looking cup and handle on high > volume today > > > despite "M". > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 24 May 2001 07:57:42 -0400 Another point to keep in mind is that 2001 has been, finally, a good year for small caps. When you evaluate "M", it is important to see the huge divergence in the charts of Russell 2000 (which looks much like the NYSE Composite and DOW 30 charts) and the NASDAQ Composite and Naz 100 charts (which really have not recovered much after being the biggest losers). You will typically find that stocks with small ADV are either small cap stocks, or have such a small float that they are "handled" as if they are small caps. I would also make the additional point for those members that still persist in venturing into stocks with low ADV. Trying to use an 8% stop on your entry will likely result in being stopped out even more often, unless you bot it almost perfectly, followed by a strong move up. Otherwise, these stocks that often trade with much greater volatility, may stop you out. And the more CANSLIM rules you ignore, or modify significantly, the greater your risk. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:44 AM Tom, Your point makes good sense, as usual. Thanks for sharing your experience. I was speaking having only seen what happened to PECS when the funds started coming in. Will try to remember to watch so I can learn from what happens when they start to exit. Jim ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:40 AM > Jim, > > I will speak from a very extensive experience of buying and > trading stocks with very small ADV. In over two years of owning > EPIQ, to cite one successful example, I have seen many days when > it traded 1,000 shares or less. Most of that time the ADV > remained under 10,000. That it has succeeded big time is despite > those years of low liquidity. > > For CANSLIM purposes, you really want to only look at stocks with > decent liquidity, I would suggest a minimum of 50,000 ADV, > measured BEFORE a price spike and subsequent high volume > significantly raises the ADV. > > You want to buy a stock that the funds will also be interested in > buying. If it is so illiquid that they will only chance a buy > once the volume had grown substantially, it is more likely they > will be there only short term, take a quick profit, and exit. And > their exit will do more damage, often halting a rally in > progress, than their buying ever contributed to keeping the > momentum rolling. > > And the more liquid a stock, normally the tighter the spread > between the bid and ask. And that's important if you are using an > 8% stop from your entry, you don't want to give up 1% just to the > spread. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Carr > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:54 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > Andy, > I'm speaking from a limited experience base on this, but will > cite one > recent example. A few weeks ago, I watched PECS break out of a > very nice > C&H. I decided to pass on it, primarily because the ADV was > sitting around > 15K at the time. Great idea! PECS is now ~68% above the pivot, > and the > volume accompanying the buyout has knocked the ADV up to over > 108K. I'll > think more seriously about letting this scare me off next time. > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drewcorp" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > > I think there is much to like about HIBB.... > > > > I am concerned about average daily volume (16,000). I believe > WON > > recommends a much higher number to be considered. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Andy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Parsons" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > > > > > HIBB breaking out of a nice looking cup and handle on high > volume today > > > despite "M". > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: [CANSLIM] Short squeeze coming? Date: 24 May 2001 05:48:14 -0700 (PDT) From Today's IBD, This may nudge the M more to our favor. "In fact, the short interest ratio is higher than a week ago when the market kicked off its latest move up. At some point the losses will become intolerable for investors who have sold borrowed shares from their brokers in hopes of buying them back at a lower price. They’ll be forced to cover their losing positions, which will give the market an extra boost of buying. Short sellers and option players aren’t the only folks questioning the rally. The weekly survey of bullish investment advisers logged a decline. Bulls dropped to 47.9%, which is good. The market is better off if optimism stays contained." Regards Kent Norman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley - Small Caps Date: 24 May 2001 09:06:18 -0400 Tom, Correct me if my observation here is wrong. I have seen you mention many times that you prefer small caps with great CANSLIM characteristics. You seem to be doing great with them. However, I believe I rarely see you post small cap candidates to watch. I know you put out a DGO list but I believe these are not your small cap watch list. I believe you mentioned you do not post them because being small cap, they are not truly CANSLIM. However, I look to you as being a mentor. I would like to learn more about your success with small caps. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:08 PM I certainly don't consider the money in my IRA as "play money", even if I have fun with it. but despite only buying small and micro cap stocks with excellent CANSLIM characteristics, I still am up about 52% for the year. I think the Russell 2000 Index is currently the best index of all, and I have soundly beaten it (it's up about 6% for the year last time I checked). That's the kind of index beating performance I demand of CANSLIM, and myself. If I cannot substantially beat an unmanaged index, then I am doing something wrong, either in my picks, my application of CANSLIM, or simply of buying individual stocks in the first place. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:10 PM >Again, did you know 3 months ago that you would be better off in index >funds? No. If you think that now, why not put some of that cash into VFINX >then? Diversification is king. I am not nearly 100% in CANSLIM stocks, and >I don't think anyone should be, unless their accounts are funded with >"play >money" and they can afford to lose any of their capital. Oh, I am. I'm CANSLIM investing with a portion only. Still.... > >FYI, I am spectacularly ahead, and so should most on this list be, at >least >for the past month. The CANSLIM parts of my accounts are killing the index >fund parts! I am ahead, but by no means spectacularly ahead. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] Small Cap volatility Date: 24 May 2001 09:13:26 -0400 Tom, Since you like small caps and seem to have much success with them, tell me how you get around the fact that these small cap stocks are more likely to stop one out. Do you use larger stops or depend exclusively on getting in "perfectly"? Or buy them below the pivot in anticipation of a breakout? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:58 AM Another point to keep in mind is that 2001 has been, finally, a good year for small caps. When you evaluate "M", it is important to see the huge divergence in the charts of Russell 2000 (which looks much like the NYSE Composite and DOW 30 charts) and the NASDAQ Composite and Naz 100 charts (which really have not recovered much after being the biggest losers). You will typically find that stocks with small ADV are either small cap stocks, or have such a small float that they are "handled" as if they are small caps. I would also make the additional point for those members that still persist in venturing into stocks with low ADV. Trying to use an 8% stop on your entry will likely result in being stopped out even more often, unless you bot it almost perfectly, followed by a strong move up. Otherwise, these stocks that often trade with much greater volatility, may stop you out. And the more CANSLIM rules you ignore, or modify significantly, the greater your risk. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:44 AM Tom, Your point makes good sense, as usual. Thanks for sharing your experience. I was speaking having only seen what happened to PECS when the funds started coming in. Will try to remember to watch so I can learn from what happens when they start to exit. Jim ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:40 AM > Jim, > > I will speak from a very extensive experience of buying and > trading stocks with very small ADV. In over two years of owning > EPIQ, to cite one successful example, I have seen many days when > it traded 1,000 shares or less. Most of that time the ADV > remained under 10,000. That it has succeeded big time is despite > those years of low liquidity. > > For CANSLIM purposes, you really want to only look at stocks with > decent liquidity, I would suggest a minimum of 50,000 ADV, > measured BEFORE a price spike and subsequent high volume > significantly raises the ADV. > > You want to buy a stock that the funds will also be interested in > buying. If it is so illiquid that they will only chance a buy > once the volume had grown substantially, it is more likely they > will be there only short term, take a quick profit, and exit. And > their exit will do more damage, often halting a rally in > progress, than their buying ever contributed to keeping the > momentum rolling. > > And the more liquid a stock, normally the tighter the spread > between the bid and ask. And that's important if you are using an > 8% stop from your entry, you don't want to give up 1% just to the > spread. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Carr > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:54 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > Andy, > I'm speaking from a limited experience base on this, but will > cite one > recent example. A few weeks ago, I watched PECS break out of a > very nice > C&H. I decided to pass on it, primarily because the ADV was > sitting around > 15K at the time. Great idea! PECS is now ~68% above the pivot, > and the > volume accompanying the buyout has knocked the ADV up to over > 108K. I'll > think more seriously about letting this scare me off next time. > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drewcorp" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > > I think there is much to like about HIBB.... > > > > I am concerned about average daily volume (16,000). I believe > WON > > recommends a much higher number to be considered. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Andy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Parsons" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > > > > > HIBB breaking out of a nice looking cup and handle on high > volume today > > > despite "M". > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jsteff" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 24 May 2001 09:15:30 -0400 Hi Tom, I'm not disagreeing with anything you have said but I recently left a position at a small brokerage firm. I was the assistant to the CEO so I've seen the good and bad also. My comment was leaning towards my experience of uneducated brokers and not enough additional education and support for them. The company consisted of three divisions: discount, commission brokerage and investment management. In my opinion, the commissioned brokers were not knowledgeable enough to recommend stocks. I can't blame the lack of education entirely on them for there was not enough support at the firm but also they must take responsibility for their knowledge also. Many would not study at night or read WON or anyone else as a matter of fact. The investment division was supervised by the CEO. He was the only investment manager there. I also saw a lack of management of these accounts. I am not saying commissioned or fee based brokers or RR are all "bad" but I have seen the negative aspects and the uneducated. I have also seen the greed and total waste of money. I am also sorry for your predicament and my remarks were not directed towards you in any way. I think you are one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable investor/educators. I feel fortunate to have found this group and to continue to be able to study WON with an intelligent group of people. And my recommendation to any investors is "know your broker" as the broker is suppose to "know the customer." Steff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:44 PM > Not to defend them, but being a good broker requires lots of > effort and time. I considered myself a "good" broker, even if all > my thoughts and opinions didn't prove to be correct. I still gave > it my best effort, and typically worked a 12 hour day. > > Far too many brokers are simply sales persons. That is a result > of the industry, not necessarily their personal ethics. So long > as their compensation is dependent on commissions generated, the > problem will persist. And sales persons rarely understand the > importance of service. > > When you are financially rewarded for generating a commission, > without regard or consequence to whether it proves to be in the > best interests of the client, you will have a major problem. That > is why asset managers, who take a fee based on the value of the > acct, are succeeding. If they do a good job overall of managing > the portfolio, then its value goes up and so does their > percentage based fee. > > There will always be a large number of people who simply lack the > time, knowledge or experience to manage their own portfolio. > Unfortunately, it takes the combination of both success and time > for a Registered Rep to attain the power to oppose the policy and > attitudes of his employer, and become a self determining broker. > > WON talks in HTMMIS about both his personal experience as a > broker, as well as how to find the right one for you "today" > (over 10 years ago). I find his words still current and accurate, > and worth reading again if you are not doing your own trades > online without assistance. > > One of the enlightening observations when I became a broker over > a decade ago was to discover just how few brokers were capable of > managing their own personal finances. Back then, most brokers > were on the payroll as "self employed", meaning they not only > were responsible for all the FICA and SS taxes and stuff, but > were expected to make quarterly payments of estimated taxes to > IRS. I never had done that before, but did not find it too > difficult (other than financially). But I was amazed to find that > most brokers tended to just spend their paycheck without thought > to consequences, and ended up in major debt to IRS. > > Brokers tend to be eternally optimistic, they have to be, as > their income depends directly on the trading activity of their > clients. I couldn't encourage clients to trade when I didn't feel > it was right for them, so my activity (and resulting income) was > down, and why I am not a broker today. > > Why am I not financially independent today? Lots of reasons, > including loss of income when my wife died, lack of capital to > generate gains (50% growth sounds good, but when it's on a $5,000 > account, you don't retire on it), high expenses that took years > to overcome, lack of discipline and knowledge, etc. > > Were I in a lapse of memory and intelligence to suddenly find > myself once again handling clients, I would do things > differently, mostly persuading clients to put most of their funds > into a mutual fund, with class "C" shares. That generates a > trailing commission, much like an annuity. It means living > without much of an income from funds invested now, but creating a > steady income stream for the future. And for most clients, the > stability of funds allows them to sleep comfortably at night, and > only look at their portfolio every quarter or so. > > Ultimately, it takes money to make money, and most brokers don't > have the money to start with, and don't really know what to do > with it when they have it. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jsteff > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > Just a comment about "brokers". If they are so knowledgeable and > great at > stock picking why are they still trying to sell the "next great > company" to > their clients? Shouldn't they have made their millions by now > and retired? > Steff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Worley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent thinkers, > capable > > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say the > same > > for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or their > > clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of harm's > > way. Typically we don't have an investment banking relationship > > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no bias. > > > > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain > English" > > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a "hold" as > > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did find > > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember if I > > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post it. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve F > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that > > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have > > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then > > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous > > if it were not so pitiful that many, many people > > follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also > > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. > > Surely there are some stocks that you would want to > > unload. > > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > > recommendations or suggestions from the people in this > > group to surpass anything I have ever received from > > any brokerage house. > > Steve > > > > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > > > for which the downgrade > > > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > > > which would be the > > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > > > am I, and that is what > > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > > > downgrades based on a > > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > > > plain silly. If what is > > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > > > new high, then give me > > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > > > out of a stock before it > > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > > > look right. > > > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > > > me not to wait for 8%. > > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > > > something was clearly > > > >wrong. > > > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > > > volume on a downgrade on > > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > > > triggered stops for those > > > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > > > was not forgotten days > > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > > > within 5% you would still > > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > > > at all concerned about > > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > > > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > > > upgrades). As a general > > > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > > > analysts for major brokerage > > > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > > > strong buy half way down > > > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > > > overvalued (AFTER it > > > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > > > their clients out). > > > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > > > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > > > markets this way. I once > > > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > > > days later, it was > > > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > > > stock quickly dropped > > > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > > > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > > > down was because of the > > > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > > > way that once Merrill > > > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > > > stock was down 25%, > > > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > > > then, realizing I was > > > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > > > price. I'm > > > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > > > I would have had a > > > > > >profit. > > > > > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at > > > great prices > > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > > or > > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > > or > > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > > > Sites > > > > > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > > email. > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 24 May 2001 07:18:01 -0600 This is an interesting note, but looking at DGO, COCO's RS DID hit a new high on either 5/15 or 5/16. Are you looking for the RS to stay above the previous level, or are you concerned that COCO's RS looks to have matched the previous RS on the breakout day (but it did surpass it the next trading day). At 02:11 PM 5/23/01 EDT, you wrote: >Canslimmers: > > I've noticed time and again (eg. COCO) that a stock should be sold after >making a new high when the THE RS LINE doesn't confirm by going to a new high >itself. I know not much attention or credence is given this indicator, >but-even though it is sometimes early (ie. the stock makes a new high, the RS >line doesn't, and the stock goes on up to 10% or more before plummeting)-it >more often than not takes good aim, signalling a weak stock. > > I certainly would use it to buy (for exp. I wouldn't buy a BO if the >stock's RS line also doesn't (or in the recent past there isn't a) BO to a >new high. And I would use it to sell (I haven't used it so far because I'm >not too sure of the stamina of this rally (so I haven't made any buys >recently), and I've only begun paying attention to the RS line in the last >couple months). > > I wouldn't completely give up on the stock if the stock makes a new high >and the RS line doesn't, but I certainly would tighten my stop. > >jans > > > >In a message dated 5/23/2001 11:25:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >Tim@OreRockOn.com writes: > ><< If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot within 5% you would still > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not at all concerned about > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) yesterday, these kind of > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > >Rick > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > >Patti, > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a > >profit. > > > >My two cents, > > > >Dave > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - beating a dead horse Date: 24 May 2001 07:21:49 -0600 As far as sell points, WON says to set your point, and sell immediately when it hits it. Period. No waitng for a recovery is allowed, no waiting for the close, etc. So I don't think there is anything inconsistent with WON in looking at prices during the day as reasons to sell. At 01:16 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >Just a thought, but I never make decisions except for buy/don't buy based >on intraday prices. COCO closed down 5% today on less than 2x ADV. Not a >significant drop by my standards. Certainly nowhere near the 50 dma. Even >intraday, it didn't hit my 8% stop, which is good since I use hard stops, >having no other choice. But, all the analysis going on here based on an >intraday drop truly amazed me. What would WON, king of the weekly charts, >think? > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: [CANSLIM] Analyst Recommendation Revisited Date: 24 May 2001 06:52:14 -0700 (PDT) As a followup to our discussions on the value of analyst downgrades or upgrades, check out today's IBD - on the front page (can't miss it) is a big article showing the value of ignoring the analysts. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: [CANSLIM] Wall Street Analysts Date: 24 May 2001 06:53:13 -0700 (PDT) For those of you that do not read Investors Business Daily, the following is todays 'Feature Story' about Wall Street Analysts. Feature Story Thursday, May 24, 2001 Printer-Ready Version Wall Street Analysts Missed The Top; Now They’re Fumbling For The Bottom By Ken Hoover Investor's Business Daily Wall Street’s high-priced analysts cheered the loudest for technology stocks last year when they should have been screaming “Sell!” Now, with a new bull market gathering momentum, they’re still out of step. Some stocks are recovering powerfully after analysts all but gave up on them. “I think they got caught up in irrational exuberance,” said Mitch Zacks of Zacks Investment Research. “It’s very difficult to predict stock prices. But their analysis became divorced from reality.” There’s a lesson for investors in this: When you see an analyst on TV, hit the mute button. It’s hard to imagine being more wrong than the analysts were on 24/7 Media (TFSM), an Internet advertising company. In March 2000, 11 analysts rated it a strong buy, according to Zacks. Two said it was a buy. One had it as a hold. Nobody rated it a sell. The stock was trading around 60, near its all-time high. Image: Bullish At The Top, Bearish At The Bottom That’s when the Internet meltdown began. Today, the stock trades at 40 cents. But analysts were among the last to see something was wrong. By May 2000, the stock had fallen to 18. Credit Suisse First Boston analyst Richard Petersen not only kept his buy rating; he also set a new price target of 50. Prudential analyst James Dougherty maintained a strong buy on the stock until Aug. 30, when 24/7 slipped to 14. The analysts woke up on Nov. 8, when the company missed its earnings estimate by 25% and announced 200 layoffs. The stock was pounded the next morning, gapping down from 4.64 and closing at 2.94. Seven analysts downgraded that day, Petersen among them. He said his price target was “under review.” But it was too late for investors who had followed their advice. Today there are no strong buys or buys on the stock. Eight analysts rate it a hold. As usual, there are no sell recommendations. Dougherty kept his buy rating on the stock all the way down to 0.59. Neither Peterson nor Dougherty is still employed by their firms, said spokesmen for CSFB and Prudential. The pattern was repeated throughout the high-tech massacre. Analysts downgraded a stock after the bad news was out. By then, the stock had already been clobbered. Then there’s RF Micro Devices (RFMD), a wireless equipment maker. In March 2000, four analysts rated it a strong buy, eight a buy. None said it was a hold or a sell, according to Zacks. Over the next year, the stock lost 90% of its value. Once the damage was done, their opinions changed. By the end of April 2001, two had a strong buy. Four had buys. Seven were down to a hold. But the stock tripled in April as the market rallied off its bottom. Where were the analysts? Back in 2000, US Bancorp Piper Jaffrey analyst Samuel May had it a strong buy at 89. He lowered it to neutral on Oct. 10, when the stock was at 28. But he didn’t change his mind as the stock ricocheted above 30 from below 10 in four weeks. A clue that analysts’ opinions aren’t worth much comes from mutual fund managers. They’re besieged by analysts touting their latest recommendations. Their calls are as welcome as a telemarketer at dinner time. “I can spend my day talking to people who run companies, or I can spend my day talking to people who have opinions on how those companies are run,” said Kevin Wenck, who manages the Polynous Fund. “I’d rather spend my day concentrating on reality.” Mark Regan, who runs the top-rated MFS Mid Cap Growth Fund, concurs. “If I don’t check my voice mail for a couple of days, about 100 calls pile up,” he complained. Regan thinks analysts’ quality has fallen in the last 15 years, in part because research and investment banking have become intertwined. “In every industry, there were a couple of analysts who knew their business. There was a level of independence that isn’t there today,” he said. Wall Street analysts must be careful not to offend companies, he says. Their employers often have an investment banking arm. It wants those companies as clients. Nick Raich of Zacks says recommendations tend to be more upbeat if they come from firms with big investment banking businesses. And analysts are expected to ring up more trading revenue for their employers by cold-calling money managers. “You shouldn’t be shocked to hear this,” said Tara Long, former analyst with CE Unterberg Towbin. “That’s what their job is.” Long was one of the few to call 24/7 Media right. She lowered her rating in January 2000. Maybe the need to be upbeat is the reason only about 1% of recommendations are sell or strong sell. In fact, says Mitch Zacks, there’s a code: Strong buy means buy. Buy means hold. Hold means sell. Merrill Lynch Chairman David Komansky admitted as much in a recent TV interview when he was asked why analysts don’t recommend selling. “I think they do it cloaked in a nomenclature that you really have to be familiar with the firm and the Street to see it,” he said. Any downgrade can be a warning, he said; “it certainly doesn’t mean buy.” Analysts’ work shouldn’t be ignored. Watching consensus estimates is important. Zacks has been tracking analysts’ work since 1978. Recommendations may not be a big deal, Zacks says. But changes in estimates are. “Upward earnings revisions are the most important drivers of stock prices,” Zacks said. He points to Microsoft (MSFT) during its climb in the 1990s. Each quarter, the company surprised analysts with an above-estimates earnings report. The analysts were forced to keep raising their estimates. Zacks says that drove the stock higher and higher. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jsteff" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 24 May 2001 09:53:39 -0400 Yes you are right in the majority of firms and most brokers have quotas and so on. I guess I should've have explained my remark. I would want my broker to not just recommend a stock by their analysts but also know the company as in fundamental and technical analysis. I honestly do not believe many brokers do analyze their recommendations. So yes fee based would definitely be a better option than commission. At the same time I would want my broker to choose stocks to promote that he/she has a definite knowledge of the company and/or have included these stocks in their own portfolios which leads to my previous remark (be it crude and not fair) Yeah ok there's a little bitterness from my previous position and the remark was unwarranted by using the "all" word. Ok let's talk WON. :) Sorry for the windy replies. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:47 PM > Analysts are actually the guys making the stock picks, they are > the ones upgrading and downgrading stocks. Brokers are mainly > salesman, and they are touting stocks to clients that are > recommended by the brokerage's research staff (analysts). > > On 23 May 01, at 20:52, jsteff wrote: > > > Just a comment about "brokers". If they are so knowledgeable and great at > > stock picking why are they still trying to sell the "next great company" to > > their clients? Shouldn't they have made their millions by now and retired? > > Steff > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Worley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent thinkers, capable > > > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say the same > > > for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or their > > > clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of harm's > > > way. Typically we don't have an investment banking relationship > > > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no bias. > > > > > > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain English" > > > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a "hold" as > > > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did find > > > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember if I > > > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post it. > > > > > > Tom Worley > > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Steve F > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that > > > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have > > > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then > > > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous > > > if it were not so pitiful that many, many people > > > follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also > > > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. > > > Surely there are some stocks that you would want to > > > unload. > > > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > > > recommendations or suggestions from the people in this > > > group to surpass anything I have ever received from > > > any brokerage house. > > > Steve > > > > > > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > > > > for which the downgrade > > > > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > > > > which would be the > > > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > > > > am I, and that is what > > > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > > > > downgrades based on a > > > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > > > > plain silly. If what is > > > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > > > > new high, then give me > > > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > > > > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > > > > out of a stock before it > > > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > > > > look right. > > > > > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > > > > me not to wait for 8%. > > > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > > > > something was clearly > > > > >wrong. > > > > > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > > > > volume on a downgrade on > > > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > > > > triggered stops for those > > > > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > > > > was not forgotten days > > > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > > > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > > > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > > > > within 5% you would still > > > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > > > > at all concerned about > > > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > > > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > > > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > > > > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > > > > upgrades). As a general > > > > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > > > > analysts for major brokerage > > > > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > > > > strong buy half way down > > > > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > > > > overvalued (AFTER it > > > > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > > > > their clients out). > > > > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > > > > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > > > > markets this way. I once > > > > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > > > > days later, it was > > > > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > > > > stock quickly dropped > > > > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > > > > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > > > > down was because of the > > > > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > > > > way that once Merrill > > > > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > > > > stock was down 25%, > > > > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > > > > then, realizing I was > > > > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > > > > price. I'm > > > > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > > > > I would have had a > > > > > > >profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at > > > > great prices > > > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > > > or > > > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > > > or > > > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > > > > Sites > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > > > email. > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > > email. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley - Small Caps Date: 24 May 2001 07:17:42 -0700 I would second that. Personally, I gravitate almost exclusively to smallcaps. I put extra emphasis on the 'C', 'A', 'N', and find out that I am not forced to time the 'M' so much since I am giving an eye to valuation, and not buying into breakouts with extremely high historical valuations. I realize that just about everything I am interested in has an EPS rating of 95+ and a Sales/Profit/ROE of 'A'. Combined with strong growth and a good outlook, I look for charts with minimal overhead resistance (which is not quite the same as high RS - although it invariably takes a very modest price move to get the RS up 20-30 points), and a significant change in volume (which is not quite the same as high volume). The stocks I am interested in are either current CANSLIM candidates or what I feel are high-potential 'soon-to-be' CANSLIM favourites. The last 5 of my significant positions last year (after the March/April meltdown) became constant 'Big Money Flowing' members within weeks/months of my entering the position (DRAM BEIQ CANI MTON SCOT). When I first started following them, they all had many 10,000 share days. Anyhow, my point is that I would love to see the smallcaps that interest people that they feel are CANSLIM candidates - with comments on what price/volume triggers (potentially weeks or months out) that would trigger an entry into the position. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:06 AM > Tom, > Correct me if my observation here is wrong. I have seen you mention many > times that you prefer small caps with great CANSLIM characteristics. You > seem to be doing great with them. However, I believe I rarely see you post > small cap candidates to watch. I know you put out a DGO list but I believe > these are not your small cap watch list. I believe you mentioned you do not > post them because being small cap, they are not truly CANSLIM. > > However, I look to you as being a mentor. I would like to learn more about > your success with small caps. > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:08 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - RIP > > > I certainly don't consider the money in my IRA as "play money", > even if I have fun with it. but despite only buying small and > micro cap stocks with excellent CANSLIM characteristics, I still > am up about 52% for the year. I think the Russell 2000 Index is > currently the best index of all, and I have soundly beaten it > (it's up about 6% for the year last time I checked). That's the > kind of index beating performance I demand of CANSLIM, and > myself. If I cannot substantially beat an unmanaged index, then I > am doing something wrong, either in my picks, my application of > CANSLIM, or simply of buying individual stocks in the first > place. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sisyphus > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - RIP > > > > > >Again, did you know 3 months ago that you would be better off in > index > >funds? No. If you think that now, why not put some of that cash > into VFINX > >then? Diversification is king. I am not nearly 100% in CANSLIM > stocks, and > >I don't think anyone should be, unless their accounts are funded > with > >"play > >money" and they can afford to lose any of their capital. > > Oh, I am. I'm CANSLIM investing with a portion only. Still.... > > > > >FYI, I am spectacularly ahead, and so should most on this list > be, at > >least > >for the past month. The CANSLIM parts of my accounts are killing > the index > >fund parts! > > I am ahead, but by no means spectacularly ahead. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 24 May 2001 07:05:24 -0700 (PDT) I guess we differ on what we consider to be a base. I can see and understand the way you are looking at it. For me, the base starts where you indicate the handle starts. Guess its all in the eye of the beholder.. --- DougC wrote: > I'm not sure I understand your point. I count the base of IGT as > having a duration of 10 weeks. The left side of the cup started > on 03/07. The cup 7 weeks and the handle 3 weeks. It's short > but it is a base in a strongly uptrending stock with excellent > numbers. And I believe it's > breakout point of 57 should provide good support if tested. > 60 might even be good support. And any price between 57 > and 60 could provide a possible second chance entry. > > At 05:42 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM characteristics): > > > >If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I don't), I > wouldn't > >be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its last base. > >For me, a base must be at least 6 weeks - preferably more - for me > to > >buy into the stock. Generally, if I've bought on a breakout of > less > >than 8 weeks - I've been wrong over 50% of the time. > > > >Just one man's opinion. > > > >Dave > > > >(p.s. In a recent IBD, Garrett VanWagoner "touted" EMLX and EMBT. > >He looks at these as stocks that have great potential but got > >severely beaten down by the tech wreck. Interestingly enough, > these > >stocks still have an RS of over 75 last time I looked despite > being > >way off their high. Not completely CANSLIM - but fits all the > >characteristics except for being a good ways off the 52-week > high.) > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 24 May 2001 07:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Stock brokers are trained salesmen, they are not trained analysts. Woe to the salesman that offers a recommendation that differs from the stated recommendation of the brokerage house that he works for. Read the discussion of brokerage analyst recommendations that have been posted here. It is discouraging and frightening that the people that most need the hand-holding that brokerage houses offer are subject to the shoddy treatment they recieve that is called advice. Steve --- jsteff wrote: > Yes you are right in the majority of firms and most > brokers have quotas and > so on. I guess I should've have explained my > remark. I would want my > broker to not just recommend a stock by their > analysts but also know the > company as in fundamental and technical analysis. I > honestly do not believe > many brokers do analyze their recommendations. So > yes fee based would > definitely be a better option than commission. At > the same time I would want > my broker to choose stocks to promote that he/she > has a definite knowledge > of the company and/or have included these stocks in > their own portfolios > which leads to my previous remark (be it crude and > not fair) Yeah ok > there's a little bitterness from my previous > position and the remark was > unwarranted by using the "all" word. Ok let's talk > WON. :) Sorry for the > windy replies. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Wahl" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > Analysts are actually the guys making the stock > picks, they are > > the ones upgrading and downgrading stocks. > Brokers are mainly > > salesman, and they are touting stocks to clients > that are > > recommended by the brokerage's research staff > (analysts). > > > > On 23 May 01, at 20:52, jsteff wrote: > > > > > Just a comment about "brokers". If they are so > knowledgeable and great > at > > > stock picking why are they still trying to sell > the "next great company" > to > > > their clients? Shouldn't they have made their > millions by now and > retired? > > > Steff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tom Worley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > Naturally, this group is a bunch of > independent thinkers, capable > > > > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I > could say the same > > > > for my former colleagues holding securities > licenses, or their > > > > clients. And we all try to help each other > stay out of harm's > > > > way. Typically we don't have an investment > banking relationship > > > > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no > bias. > > > > > > > > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to > their "plain English" > > > > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to > translate a "hold" as > > > > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any > price". I did find > > > > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, > don't remember if I > > > > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, > I'll post it. > > > > > > > > Tom Worley > > > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Steve F > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst > up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoy following the recommendations of > analysts that > > > > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as > they have > > > > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only > then > > > > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. > Ridiculous > > > > if it were not so pitiful that many, many > people > > > > follow these analysts and their > recommendations. Also > > > > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you > find. > > > > Surely there are some stocks that you would > want to > > > > unload. > > > > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > > > > recommendations or suggestions from the people > in this > > > > group to surpass anything I have ever received > from > > > > any brokerage house. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > And I can give you just as many examples of > stocks > > > > > for which the downgrade > > > > > was a non-event a few days later. How could > you know > > > > > which would be the > > > > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, > neither > > > > > am I, and that is what > > > > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has > discussed, > > > > > downgrades based on a > > > > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are > just > > > > > plain silly. If what is > > > > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and > reached a > > > > > new high, then give me > > > > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the > merrier! > > > > > > > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > > > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and > should get > > > > > out of a stock before it > > > > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things > don't > > > > > look right. > > > > > > > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear > sign to > > > > > me not to wait for 8%. > > > > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high > volume, > > > > > something was clearly > > > > > >wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on > huge > > > > > volume on a downgrade on > > > > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would > not have > > > > > triggered stops for those > > > > > >who bought at the right time. But this > downgrade > > > > > was not forgotten days > > > > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base > and shows > > > > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > > > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of > capital > > > > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst > up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught > the pivot > > > > > within 5% you would still > > > > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? > I am not > > > > > at all concerned about > > > > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too > much) > > > > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within > 2 days > > > > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I > got > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... Date: 24 May 2001 07:35:36 -0700 Does anyone know how IBD comes up with their EPS ratings? Every now and then they baffle me. A current case in point is EMBT. EMBT's current numbers are 96 79 E A B. For the last 4 quarters, their EPS have been 0, 0.02, (0.22) and (0.01). How on earth can trailing twelve month losses of 21 cents a share garner them a 96 EPS rating? (EMBT has been a short favourite of mine for many months now) Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Wall Street Analysts Date: 24 May 2001 07:23:57 -0700 (PDT) This is the artice to which I was referring. It helps if you see the "image" referred to, which is a graph. Very illuminating. Just one example, but... --- Steve F wrote: > For those of you that do not read Investors Business > Daily, the following is todays 'Feature Story' about > Wall Street Analysts. > > Feature Story > Thursday, May 24, 2001 > > Printer-Ready Version > > Wall Street Analysts Missed The Top; Now They’re > Fumbling For The Bottom > By Ken Hoover > > Investor's Business Daily > > Wall Street’s high-priced analysts cheered the loudest > for technology stocks last year when they should have > been screaming “Sell!” > > Now, with a new bull market gathering momentum, > they’re still out of step. Some stocks are recovering > powerfully after analysts all but gave up on them. > > “I think they got caught up in irrational exuberance,” > said Mitch Zacks of Zacks Investment Research. “It’s > very difficult to predict stock prices. But their > analysis became divorced from reality.” > > There’s a lesson for investors in this: When you see > an analyst on TV, hit the mute button. > > It’s hard to imagine being more wrong than the > analysts were on 24/7 Media (TFSM), an Internet > advertising company. In March 2000, 11 analysts rated > it a strong buy, according to Zacks. Two said it was a > buy. One had it as a hold. Nobody rated it a sell. The > stock was trading around 60, near its all-time high. > > > > > Image: Bullish At The Top, Bearish At The Bottom > > > > > That’s when the Internet meltdown began. Today, the > stock trades at 40 cents. But analysts were among the > last to see something was wrong. By May 2000, the > stock had fallen to 18. Credit Suisse First Boston > analyst Richard Petersen not only kept his buy rating; > he also set a new price target of 50. > > Prudential analyst James Dougherty maintained a strong > buy on the stock until Aug. 30, when 24/7 slipped to > 14. The analysts woke up on Nov. 8, when the company > missed its earnings estimate by 25% and announced 200 > layoffs. The stock was pounded the next morning, > gapping down from 4.64 and closing at 2.94. > > Seven analysts downgraded that day, Petersen among > them. He said his price target was “under review.” But > it was too late for investors who had followed their > advice. Today there are no strong buys or buys on the > stock. Eight analysts rate it a hold. As usual, there > are no sell recommendations. Dougherty kept his buy > rating on the stock all the way down to 0.59. > > Neither Peterson nor Dougherty is still employed by > their firms, said spokesmen for CSFB and Prudential. > > The pattern was repeated throughout the high-tech > massacre. Analysts downgraded a stock after the bad > news was out. By then, the stock had already been > clobbered. > > Then there’s RF Micro Devices (RFMD), a wireless > equipment maker. In March 2000, four analysts rated it > a strong buy, eight a buy. None said it was a hold or > a sell, according to Zacks. > > Over the next year, the stock lost 90% of its value. > Once the damage was done, their opinions changed. By > the end of April 2001, two had a strong buy. Four had > buys. Seven were down to a hold. > > But the stock tripled in April as the market rallied > off its bottom. Where were the analysts? > > Back in 2000, US Bancorp Piper Jaffrey analyst Samuel > May had it a strong buy at 89. He lowered it to > neutral on Oct. 10, when the stock was at 28. But he > didn’t change his mind as the stock ricocheted above > 30 from below 10 in four weeks. > > A clue that analysts’ opinions aren’t worth much comes > from mutual fund managers. They’re besieged by > analysts touting their latest recommendations. Their > calls are as welcome as a telemarketer at dinner time. > > “I can spend my day talking to people who run > companies, or I can spend my day talking to people who > have opinions on how those companies are run,” said > Kevin Wenck, who manages the Polynous Fund. “I’d > rather spend my day concentrating on reality.” > > Mark Regan, who runs the top-rated MFS Mid Cap Growth > Fund, concurs. “If I don’t check my voice mail for a > couple of days, about 100 calls pile up,” he > complained. > > Regan thinks analysts’ quality has fallen in the last > 15 years, in part because research and investment > banking have become intertwined. > > “In every industry, there were a couple of analysts > who knew their business. There was a level of > independence that isn’t there today,” he said. > > Wall Street analysts must be careful not to offend > companies, he says. Their employers often have an > investment banking arm. It wants those companies as > clients. > > Nick Raich of Zacks says recommendations tend to be > more upbeat if they come from firms with big > investment banking businesses. > > And analysts are expected to ring up more trading > revenue for their employers by cold-calling money > managers. > > “You shouldn’t be shocked to hear this,” said Tara > Long, former analyst with CE Unterberg Towbin. “That’s > what their job is.” > > Long was one of the few to call 24/7 Media right. She > lowered her rating in January 2000. > > Maybe the need to be upbeat is the reason only about > 1% of recommendations are sell or strong sell. In > fact, says Mitch Zacks, there’s a code: Strong buy > means buy. Buy means hold. Hold means sell. > > Merrill Lynch Chairman David Komansky admitted as much > in a recent TV interview when he was asked why > analysts don’t recommend selling. > > “I think they do it cloaked in a nomenclature that you > really have to be familiar with the firm and the > Street to see it,” he said. Any downgrade can be a > warning, he said; “it certainly doesn’t mean buy.” > > Analysts’ work shouldn’t be ignored. Watching > consensus estimates is important. Zacks has been > tracking analysts’ work since 1978. Recommendations > may not be a big deal, Zacks says. But changes in > estimates are. > > “Upward earnings revisions are the most important > drivers of stock prices,” Zacks said. He points to > Microsoft (MSFT) during its climb in the 1990s. Each > quarter, the company surprised analysts with an > above-estimates earnings report. The analysts were > forced to keep raising their estimates. Zacks says > that drove the stock higher and higher. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 24 May 2001 08:42:02 -0600 You don't consider the 7 week cup starting 03/07 a base? Have you read p152 of HTMMIS. 'One of the most fundamental chart-base price patterns looks like a cup with a handle when the outline of a cup is viewed from the side. Cup patterns last, in time duration, from 7 to as many as 65 weeks. The usual percentage correction from the absolute peak to the low point of the price pattern varies from 12 to 15% to 33%.' The depth of IGT cup is around 17%. At 07:05 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >I guess we differ on what we consider to be a base. I can see and >understand the way you are looking at it. For me, the base starts >where you indicate the handle starts. Guess its all in the eye of >the beholder.. > >--- DougC wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand your point. I count the base of IGT as > > having a duration of 10 weeks. The left side of the cup started > > on 03/07. The cup 7 weeks and the handle 3 weeks. It's short > > but it is a base in a strongly uptrending stock with excellent > > numbers. And I believe it's > > breakout point of 57 should provide good support if tested. > > 60 might even be good support. And any price between 57 > > and 60 could provide a possible second chance entry. > > > > At 05:42 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM characteristics): > > > > > >If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I don't), I > > wouldn't > > >be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its last base. > > >For me, a base must be at least 6 weeks - preferably more - for me > > to > > >buy into the stock. Generally, if I've bought on a breakout of > > less > > >than 8 weeks - I've been wrong over 50% of the time. > > > > > >Just one man's opinion. > > > > > >Dave > > > > > >(p.s. In a recent IBD, Garrett VanWagoner "touted" EMLX and EMBT. > > >He looks at these as stocks that have great potential but got > > >severely beaten down by the tech wreck. Interestingly enough, > > these > > >stocks still have an RS of over 75 last time I looked despite > > being > > >way off their high. Not completely CANSLIM - but fits all the > > >characteristics except for being a good ways off the 52-week > > high.) > > > > > > > > >===== > > >Dave Cameron > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed McDonough Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 24 May 2001 11:06:59 -0400 Here's my comment from the peanut gallery. The best investment advisor at an investment house is usually the one the average investor never gets to speak to. Capitalism at its finest. He is usually the guy in the corner office with lots of clients and staff that works his a-- off and has a specific investment methodology and philosophy. He is someone that is usually too busy to handle smaller accounts. He is usually someone that has been through a few bear markets. Even if he has all these qualities, it's even rarer that he absolutely put the client interests first. Believe me, there aren't many of them out there. But even these guys get it wrong at times. The investment advice business can be is a treacherous business. Suffice to say, buyer should always beware. Today for example, two of the so called brightest managers on wall street are shutting down their $2 billion hedge fund. Bowman Capital of San Mateo Calif., a $2 Billion Technology Hedge Fund which declined 22 percent in 2001 is shutting down and returning their investors remaining capital. Mr. Bowman and Mr. Hurley were formerly top Fidelity Technology Fund Managers. Wouldn't logic say that a tech hedge fund designed to short the market during a tech bear market should make a killing. Guess what my friends, they got it wrong too!! Guru's Schmuruu's! Tom, your doing a great service. Keep it up. ED -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve F Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:17 AM Stock brokers are trained salesmen, they are not trained analysts. Woe to the salesman that offers a recommendation that differs from the stated recommendation of the brokerage house that he works for. Read the discussion of brokerage analyst recommendations that have been posted here. It is discouraging and frightening that the people that most need the hand-holding that brokerage houses offer are subject to the shoddy treatment they recieve that is called advice. Steve --- jsteff wrote: > Yes you are right in the majority of firms and most > brokers have quotas and > so on. I guess I should've have explained my > remark. I would want my > broker to not just recommend a stock by their > analysts but also know the > company as in fundamental and technical analysis. I > honestly do not believe > many brokers do analyze their recommendations. So > yes fee based would > definitely be a better option than commission. At > the same time I would want > my broker to choose stocks to promote that he/she > has a definite knowledge > of the company and/or have included these stocks in > their own portfolios > which leads to my previous remark (be it crude and > not fair) Yeah ok > there's a little bitterness from my previous > position and the remark was > unwarranted by using the "all" word. Ok let's talk > WON. :) Sorry for the > windy replies. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Wahl" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > Analysts are actually the guys making the stock > picks, they are > > the ones upgrading and downgrading stocks. > Brokers are mainly > > salesman, and they are touting stocks to clients > that are > > recommended by the brokerage's research staff > (analysts). > > > > On 23 May 01, at 20:52, jsteff wrote: > > > > > Just a comment about "brokers". If they are so > knowledgeable and great > at > > > stock picking why are they still trying to sell > the "next great company" > to > > > their clients? Shouldn't they have made their > millions by now and > retired? > > > Steff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tom Worley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > Naturally, this group is a bunch of > independent thinkers, capable > > > > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I > could say the same > > > > for my former colleagues holding securities > licenses, or their > > > > clients. And we all try to help each other > stay out of harm's > > > > way. Typically we don't have an investment > banking relationship > > > > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no > bias. > > > > > > > > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to > their "plain English" > > > > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to > translate a "hold" as > > > > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any > price". I did find > > > > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, > don't remember if I > > > > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, > I'll post it. > > > > > > > > Tom Worley > > > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Steve F > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst > up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoy following the recommendations of > analysts that > > > > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as > they have > > > > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only > then > > > > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. > Ridiculous > > > > if it were not so pitiful that many, many > people > > > > follow these analysts and their > recommendations. Also > > > > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you > find. > > > > Surely there are some stocks that you would > want to > > > > unload. > > > > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > > > > recommendations or suggestions from the people > in this > > > > group to surpass anything I have ever received > from > > > > any brokerage house. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > And I can give you just as many examples of > stocks > > > > > for which the downgrade > > > > > was a non-event a few days later. How could > you know > > > > > which would be the > > > > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, > neither > > > > > am I, and that is what > > > > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has > discussed, > > > > > downgrades based on a > > > > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are > just > > > > > plain silly. If what is > > > > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and > reached a > > > > > new high, then give me > > > > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the > merrier! > > > > > > > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > > > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and > should get > > > > > out of a stock before it > > > > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things > don't > > > > > look right. > > > > > > > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear > sign to > > > > > me not to wait for 8%. > > > > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high > volume, > > > > > something was clearly > > > > > >wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on > huge > > > > > volume on a downgrade on > > > > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would > not have > > > > > triggered stops for those > > > > > >who bought at the right time. But this > downgrade > > > > > was not forgotten days > > > > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base > and shows > > > > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > > > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of > capital > > > > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst > up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught > the pivot > > > > > within 5% you would still > > > > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? > I am not > > > > > at all concerned about > > > > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too > much) > > > > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within > 2 days > > > > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I > got > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] FIC going up...will it break out ? Date: 24 May 2001 11:33:27 -0400 Look at FIC..going up on volume. May breakout of short base. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot within 5% you would still be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not at all concerned about COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) yesterday, these kind of downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days of the knee-jerk sell-off. On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got stopped out! Darn Analysts. > >Rick > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > >Patti, > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or upgrades). As a general >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, analysts for major brokerage >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a strong buy half way down >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was overvalued (AFTER it >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got their clients out). >This proclamation generally was the catalyst for another quick fall. > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull markets this way. I once >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 days later, it was >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The stock quickly dropped >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a quick 8% loss. Silly >me, I figured the only reason the stock went down was because of the >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard way that once Merrill >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the stock was down 25%, >and I was still holding it. I had to sell then, realizing I was >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy price. I'm >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, I would have had a >profit. > >My two cents, > >Dave > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 24 May 2001 08:49:02 -0700 (PDT) You are no doubt correct. I guess, without thinking about it, technically I'd want the handle to be longer. I've mentally defined the base as where the cup ends and the handle starts. This seems to be in conflict with how WON defines it. So... if I use WON's terminology: 1. On a flat base I want to see at least 8 weeks. 2. On a handle I want to see at least 6 weeks. Not to say that IGT won't work - I hope it does. But... that's my take on it. Good catch, Dave --- DougC wrote: > You don't consider the 7 week cup starting 03/07 a base? Have > you read p152 of HTMMIS. 'One of the most fundamental chart-base > price > patterns looks like a cup with a handle when the outline of a cup > is viewed > from the side. Cup patterns last, in time duration, from 7 to as > many as 65 > weeks. > The usual percentage correction from the absolute peak to the low > point of > the price pattern varies from 12 to 15% to 33%.' The depth of IGT > cup is around > 17%. > > At 07:05 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I guess we differ on what we consider to be a base. I can see > and > >understand the way you are looking at it. For me, the base starts > >where you indicate the handle starts. Guess its all in the eye of > >the beholder.. > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > I'm not sure I understand your point. I count the base of IGT > as > > > having a duration of 10 weeks. The left side of the cup started > > > on 03/07. The cup 7 weeks and the handle 3 weeks. It's short > > > but it is a base in a strongly uptrending stock with excellent > > > numbers. And I believe it's > > > breakout point of 57 should provide good support if tested. > > > 60 might even be good support. And any price between 57 > > > and 60 could provide a possible second chance entry. > > > > > > At 05:42 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM > characteristics): > > > > > > > >If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I don't), I > > > wouldn't > > > >be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its last > base. > > > >For me, a base must be at least 6 weeks - preferably more - > for me > > > to > > > >buy into the stock. Generally, if I've bought on a breakout > of > > > less > > > >than 8 weeks - I've been wrong over 50% of the time. > > > > > > > >Just one man's opinion. > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > >(p.s. In a recent IBD, Garrett VanWagoner "touted" EMLX and > EMBT. > > > >He looks at these as stocks that have great potential but got > > > >severely beaten down by the tech wreck. Interestingly > enough, > > > these > > > >stocks still have an RS of over 75 last time I looked despite > > > being > > > >way off their high. Not completely CANSLIM - but fits all > the > > > >characteristics except for being a good ways off the 52-week > > > high.) > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > >Dave Cameron > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. Too much? Date: 24 May 2001 09:20:44 -0700 I don't disagree with you about them being important. I'm just now (after 3 years) starting to look at MACD as a secondary indicator of a breakout or sell point. I would assume a good canslim breakout should confirm those indicators and vice versa. I just wanted the newer folks to realize it is not a primary indicator for canslim. If your new, it can cloud your efforts. Perhaps a revised O'Neil book will cover these and other tools for the "new" computer age. It was only brought up because 3-4 years ago there was similar threads covering additional indicators of which I couldn't find them in WON's material. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:41 PM > > > Bill Triffet wrote: > > > >From time to time I see posts here refering to additional technical > > indicators. I think these are great additional tools for the advanced folks > > and those with extra time to learn to incorporate them correctly. They might > > include the MACD and Stochastic indicators as a sample. I just want to say > > that these are not covered in HTMMIS and not somthing one needs to get too > > concerned about. I'm not saying we should not discuss these tools but I felt > > It sounds like you are equating oneil's not covering them to them being > unimportant! I view a few select ones as as essential as headlights at night: > dangerous without them. > > > > > > it needed to be explained to some of the newer folks here. > > I've been following canslim for 3 years now and have found there are enough > > tools for stock selection and selling that you can keep it simple. > > > > -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 24 May 2001 10:08:17 -0600 I don't want to beat this to death but I'm just puzzled how you're coming up with your basing definitions. If whatever they are works for you that's fine. But I have to say I also disagree with your definition of a handle. From what I understand of CANSLIM or WON's or even some variations I've seen...the shorter the handle the better with a 1 to 2 week minimum. Personally I consider the three week handle of IGT a little long in proportion to the base. Would have liked to see it no longer than 2 weeks. But it was a very tight handle and was using the 50dma as support so so far it's worked out. Whether a basing pattern is c&H, or flat or double bottom is just a desciption of general price behavior. Bottom line is that if a stock like IGT has strong upward trending momentum like it had up to 03/07 then corrects with the market for a period of time it helps consolidate the stock into strong hands for further movement up through new 52 week highs. At 08:49 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >You are no doubt correct. I guess, without thinking about it, >technically I'd want the handle to be longer. I've mentally defined >the base as where the cup ends and the handle starts. This seems to >be in conflict with how WON defines it. > >So... if I use WON's terminology: >1. On a flat base I want to see at least 8 weeks. >2. On a handle I want to see at least 6 weeks. > >Not to say that IGT won't work - I hope it does. But... that's my >take on it. > >Good catch, > >Dave > >--- DougC wrote: > > You don't consider the 7 week cup starting 03/07 a base? Have > > you read p152 of HTMMIS. 'One of the most fundamental chart-base > > price > > patterns looks like a cup with a handle when the outline of a cup > > is viewed > > from the side. Cup patterns last, in time duration, from 7 to as > > many as 65 > > weeks. > > The usual percentage correction from the absolute peak to the low > > point of > > the price pattern varies from 12 to 15% to 33%.' The depth of IGT > > cup is around > > 17%. > > > > At 07:05 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >I guess we differ on what we consider to be a base. I can see > > and > > >understand the way you are looking at it. For me, the base starts > > >where you indicate the handle starts. Guess its all in the eye of > > >the beholder.. > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > I'm not sure I understand your point. I count the base of IGT > > as > > > > having a duration of 10 weeks. The left side of the cup started > > > > on 03/07. The cup 7 weeks and the handle 3 weeks. It's short > > > > but it is a base in a strongly uptrending stock with excellent > > > > numbers. And I believe it's > > > > breakout point of 57 should provide good support if tested. > > > > 60 might even be good support. And any price between 57 > > > > and 60 could provide a possible second chance entry. > > > > > > > > At 05:42 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM > > characteristics): > > > > > > > > > >If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I don't), I > > > > wouldn't > > > > >be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its last > > base. > > > > >For me, a base must be at least 6 weeks - preferably more - > > for me > > > > to > > > > >buy into the stock. Generally, if I've bought on a breakout > > of > > > > less > > > > >than 8 weeks - I've been wrong over 50% of the time. > > > > > > > > > >Just one man's opinion. > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > >(p.s. In a recent IBD, Garrett VanWagoner "touted" EMLX and > > EMBT. > > > > >He looks at these as stocks that have great potential but got > > > > >severely beaten down by the tech wreck. Interestingly > > enough, > > > > these > > > > >stocks still have an RS of over 75 last time I looked despite > > > > being > > > > >way off their high. Not completely CANSLIM - but fits all > > the > > > > >characteristics except for being a good ways off the 52-week > > > > high.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > >===== > > >Dave Cameron > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 24 May 2001 10:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Doug, Not sure. By that I mean that I read HTMMIS about 8 years ago. It turns out that I have either misunderstood WON on a number of things or had different interpretations. OTOH, I've been dead on with some others. Since then, I've re-read, but more for selling rules, which is where I have larger problems. Anyway... in this case, your definition sounds plausible. And, maybe, there's something big I'm missing here. Generally, the proportion of my buys that are C&H formations are pretty small - so its not a big issue. I'm not sure if that's because of infrequency of the formation, or just because I'm not defining it correctly. I guess its subjective in that to me - looking at IGT - at a first look, its moved up too fast - and there hasn't been enough time to digest the gains. You've got me thinking, and I could be way off on this. To your other point, though, the longer handled formations tend to work for me. Looking at some charts of stocks I've done well with, a 12-week "handle" seems ideal. Longer than that (unlike with a classic base) usually doesn't work - but then again, if the handle lasts longer than 12-weeks, there's usually no breakout. It also depends on how much the stock has advanced and how quickly. If a stock traded between 20-30 for a year, then advanced to 40-45 in two months with a C&H formation with a high of 45, and the base of the cup at 35 - then I can live with a shorter handle. OTOH, if a stock traded around 15 for a while, then advanced to 55 in 3 mos - then forms that pattern - it needs more time to digest. On IGT - its in between. It traded below 30 for quite a while, then went from 30 to 55 in 6 mos. - a good healthy growth rate. Then for about 9 or 10 weeks, digested its gains, as you've pointed out. The breakout to 60+ was on good volume. The bottom of the cup isn't at highest volume - but it wasn't too long before the bottom. As I mentioned, you are probably more in line with pure CANSLIM - but since you asked - I'm going off my experience on success/non-success. Everyone sees this a little differently. I'm not sure why the 12-week "handle" gives me my biggest successes. Does that help? Dave --- DougC wrote: > I don't want to beat this to death but I'm just puzzled how you're > coming up with your basing definitions. If whatever they are works > for you that's fine. But I have to say I also disagree with your > definition of a handle. From what I understand of CANSLIM or WON's > or even some variations I've seen...the shorter the handle the > better > with a 1 to 2 week minimum. Personally I consider the three week > handle of IGT a little long in proportion to the base. Would have > liked > to see it no longer than 2 weeks. But it was a very tight handle > and > was using the 50dma as support so so far it's worked out. Whether > a basing pattern is c&H, or flat or double bottom is just a > desciption > of general price behavior. Bottom line is that if a stock like IGT > has > strong upward trending momentum like it had up to 03/07 then > corrects > with the market for a period of time it helps consolidate the stock > into > strong hands for further movement up through new 52 week highs. > > At 08:49 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >You are no doubt correct. I guess, without thinking about it, > >technically I'd want the handle to be longer. I've mentally > defined > >the base as where the cup ends and the handle starts. This seems > to > >be in conflict with how WON defines it. > > > >So... if I use WON's terminology: > >1. On a flat base I want to see at least 8 weeks. > >2. On a handle I want to see at least 6 weeks. > > > >Not to say that IGT won't work - I hope it does. But... that's > my > >take on it. > > > >Good catch, > > > >Dave > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > You don't consider the 7 week cup starting 03/07 a base? Have > > > you read p152 of HTMMIS. 'One of the most fundamental > chart-base > > > price > > > patterns looks like a cup with a handle when the outline of a > cup > > > is viewed > > > from the side. Cup patterns last, in time duration, from 7 to > as > > > many as 65 > > > weeks. > > > The usual percentage correction from the absolute peak to the > low > > > point of > > > the price pattern varies from 12 to 15% to 33%.' The depth of > IGT > > > cup is around > > > 17%. > > > > > > At 07:05 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >I guess we differ on what we consider to be a base. I can > see > > > and > > > >understand the way you are looking at it. For me, the base > starts > > > >where you indicate the handle starts. Guess its all in the > eye of > > > >the beholder.. > > > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > > I'm not sure I understand your point. I count the base of > IGT > > > as > > > > > having a duration of 10 weeks. The left side of the cup > started > > > > > on 03/07. The cup 7 weeks and the handle 3 weeks. It's > short > > > > > but it is a base in a strongly uptrending stock with > excellent > > > > > numbers. And I believe it's > > > > > breakout point of 57 should provide good support if tested. > > > > > 60 might even be good support. And any price between 57 > > > > > and 60 could provide a possible second chance entry. > > > > > > > > > > At 05:42 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > >Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM > > > characteristics): > > > > > > > > > > > >If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I don't), > I > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > >be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its last > > > base. > > > > > >For me, a base must be at least 6 weeks - preferably more > - > > > for me > > > > > to > > > > > >buy into the stock. Generally, if I've bought on a > breakout > > > of > > > > > less > > > > > >than 8 weeks - I've been wrong over 50% of the time. > > > > > > > > > > > >Just one man's opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > >(p.s. In a recent IBD, Garrett VanWagoner "touted" EMLX > and > > > EMBT. > > > > > >He looks at these as stocks that have great potential but > got > > > > > >severely beaten down by the tech wreck. Interestingly > > > enough, > > > > > these > > > > > >stocks still have an RS of over 75 last time I looked > despite > > > > > being > > > > > >way off their high. Not completely CANSLIM - but fits > all > > > the > > > > > >characteristics except for being a good ways off the > 52-week > > > > > high.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > >Dave Cameron > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 24 May 2001 11:43:13 -0600 I'm not sure if you are saying you want to see a handle 6 weeks long, or the whole base including the cup and handle at 6 weeks. I also see IGT as basing since around 3/7. I cheated a little bit when looking at this chart a few weeks ago and tossed out that spike on 4/18 as a one day anamolous event. If you do that, you see a cup from 3/7 to 4/26 or so, then the handle from 4/30 to 5/15. Here is a quote from the 24 Essential Lessons For Investment Success by WON - "A proper C&H must take at least 7 or 8 weeks to form. Otherwise it may be unsound and fail after its breakout. .... Handles can short (one or two weeks), or a number of weeks long, and need to drift downward along their price lows or have a shakeout (break below a prior weeks's low price low in the handle)." On 24 May 01, at 8:49, Dave Cameron wrote: > You are no doubt correct. I guess, without thinking about it, > technically I'd want the handle to be longer. I've mentally defined > the base as where the cup ends and the handle starts. This seems to > be in conflict with how WON defines it. > > So... if I use WON's terminology: > 1. On a flat base I want to see at least 8 weeks. > 2. On a handle I want to see at least 6 weeks. > > Not to say that IGT won't work - I hope it does. But... that's my > take on it. > > Good catch, > > Dave > > --- DougC wrote: > > You don't consider the 7 week cup starting 03/07 a base? Have > > you read p152 of HTMMIS. 'One of the most fundamental chart-base > > price > > patterns looks like a cup with a handle when the outline of a cup > > is viewed > > from the side. Cup patterns last, in time duration, from 7 to as > > many as 65 > > weeks. > > The usual percentage correction from the absolute peak to the low > > point of > > the price pattern varies from 12 to 15% to 33%.' The depth of IGT > > cup is around > > 17%. > > > > At 07:05 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >I guess we differ on what we consider to be a base. I can see > > and > > >understand the way you are looking at it. For me, the base starts > > >where you indicate the handle starts. Guess its all in the eye of > > >the beholder.. > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > I'm not sure I understand your point. I count the base of IGT > > as > > > > having a duration of 10 weeks. The left side of the cup started > > > > on 03/07. The cup 7 weeks and the handle 3 weeks. It's short > > > > but it is a base in a strongly uptrending stock with excellent > > > > numbers. And I believe it's > > > > breakout point of 57 should provide good support if tested. > > > > 60 might even be good support. And any price between 57 > > > > and 60 could provide a possible second chance entry. > > > > > > > > At 05:42 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM > > characteristics): > > > > > > > > > >If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I don't), I > > > > wouldn't > > > > >be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its last > > base. > > > > >For me, a base must be at least 6 weeks - preferably more - > > for me > > > > to > > > > >buy into the stock. Generally, if I've bought on a breakout > > of > > > > less > > > > >than 8 weeks - I've been wrong over 50% of the time. > > > > > > > > > >Just one man's opinion. > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > >(p.s. In a recent IBD, Garrett VanWagoner "touted" EMLX and > > EMBT. > > > > >He looks at these as stocks that have great potential but got > > > > >severely beaten down by the tech wreck. Interestingly > > enough, > > > > these > > > > >stocks still have an RS of over 75 last time I looked despite > > > > being > > > > >way off their high. Not completely CANSLIM - but fits all > > the > > > > >characteristics except for being a good ways off the 52-week > > > > high.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > >===== > > >Dave Cameron > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. Too much? Date: 24 May 2001 13:49:07 -0400 I have never seen a system that uses MACD or other similar indicator that has been successful in creating consistent profits. In other words, sometimes it confirms, other times it doesn't. If it make you feel more comfortable in your decisions then it is a help. But don't depend on them. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Triffet Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:21 PM I don't disagree with you about them being important. I'm just now (after 3 years) starting to look at MACD as a secondary indicator of a breakout or sell point. I would assume a good canslim breakout should confirm those indicators and vice versa. I just wanted the newer folks to realize it is not a primary indicator for canslim. If your new, it can cloud your efforts. Perhaps a revised O'Neil book will cover these and other tools for the "new" computer age. It was only brought up because 3-4 years ago there was similar threads covering additional indicators of which I couldn't find them in WON's material. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:41 PM > > > Bill Triffet wrote: > > > >From time to time I see posts here refering to additional technical > > indicators. I think these are great additional tools for the advanced folks > > and those with extra time to learn to incorporate them correctly. They might > > include the MACD and Stochastic indicators as a sample. I just want to say > > that these are not covered in HTMMIS and not somthing one needs to get too > > concerned about. I'm not saying we should not discuss these tools but I felt > > It sounds like you are equating oneil's not covering them to them being > unimportant! I view a few select ones as as essential as headlights at night: > dangerous without them. > > > > > > it needed to be explained to some of the newer folks here. > > I've been following canslim for 3 years now and have found there are enough > > tools for stock selection and selling that you can keep it simple. > > > > -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 24 May 2001 13:59:21 EDT Earl: If you'll notice: On its high in Feb at around 48 its RS-line also made a new high. In May when it went to 52, its RS-line rose as the stock rose from its decline and consolidation in March and April, but it didn't BO (unless you looked with a microscope). Then when it retested its May 16th high on May 22nd, the RS-line buckled a few notches lower. Because of the RS-line, then, to me the stock did not look as strong as its price rise would indicate. In my view, COCO looks as if might have made a 2nd stage base (if it stops falling); however, until its RS-line becomes resurgent, I wouldn't buy it. Also, while I believe we might be in the early stages of a bull, I want to make sure. (We don't all have Tim's fortitude). It would be nice if COCO BO at the same time I'm persuaded that the market has become a rampaging bull. In a message dated 5/24/2001 9:19:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, esetser@covad.net writes: << This is an interesting note, but looking at DGO, COCO's RS DID hit a new high on either 5/15 or 5/16. Are you looking for the RS to stay above the previous level, or are you concerned that COCO's RS looks to have matched the previous RS on the breakout day (but it did surpass it the next trading day). >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] COCO - beating a dead horse Date: 24 May 2001 14:04:44 EDT Earl and Tim: I agree wholeheartedly. Discipline and Conservation of Capital are the most important ingredients in succeeding in the stock market. Overanalysis and rationalization are the 2 biggest enemies. I just wish I would naturally follow the former, and ignore the siren songs of the latter. Unfortunately, I'm just not hot-wired that way. One must learn discipline to become Disciplined. In a message dated 5/24/2001 9:23:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, esetser@covad.net writes: << As far as sell points, WON says to set your point, and sell immediately when it hits it. Period. No waitng for a recovery is allowed, no waiting for the close, etc. So I don't think there is anything inconsistent with WON in looking at prices during the day as reasons to sell. At 01:16 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >Just a thought, but I never make decisions except for buy/don't buy based >on intraday prices. COCO closed down 5% today on less than 2x ADV. Not a >significant drop by my standards. Certainly nowhere near the 50 dma. Even >intraday, it didn't hit my 8% stop, which is good since I use hard stops, >having no other choice. But, all the analysis going on here based on an >intraday drop truly amazed me. What would WON, king of the weekly charts, >think? > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... Date: 24 May 2001 14:14:50 EDT Ian: Here is DG's defintion of EPS: EARNINGS PER SHARE (EPS) RATING: One of the five Investor's Business Daily SmartSelect=E2=84=A2 Corporate Rat= ings,=20 this is a proprietary formula that incorporates the percentage change in the= =20 last two quarters' earnings versus the same quarters a year earlier, the=20 5-year growth rate and the earnings stability. All components are separately= =20 rated and weighted. The result is compared to all stocks in the database,=20 rated with a value of 99 (highest) to 1 (lowest). An EPS Rating of 90 means=20 the company produced earnings greater than 90 percent of all companies in th= e=20 database." Also, while I agree EBMT has formed a nice pattern, it is below the 200= =20 DMA-so there will be a lot of resistance as it rises. However, looking at i= t=20 again, I think I see what you're looking at: You expect to buy a BO above=20 the 200 DMA (which is where, approximately, the right lip is). jans In a message dated 5/24/2001 10:21:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 ianstm@home.com writes: << Does anyone know how IBD comes up with their EPS ratings? Every now and=20 then they baffle me. A current case in point is EMBT. EMBT's current numbers ar= e 96 79 E A B. For the last 4 quarters, their EPS have been 0, 0.02, (0.22) and (0.01). How on earth can trailing twelve month losses of 21 cents a share garner them a 96 EPS rating? =20 (EMBT has been a short favourite of mine for many months now) =20 Ian >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... Date: 24 May 2001 12:17:21 -0700 Hi jans: Thanks for the definition. I'll be honest here ... I was looking at EMBT as a short. It is mind-boggling to me that these kind of excessive valuations can still happen to companies with no real earnings and very limited markets. It is looking very toppy to me at $32 - but I don't really like to short in a strong bull trend like we're still in, so I am waffling. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:14 AM Ian: Here is DG's defintion of EPS: EARNINGS PER SHARE (EPS) RATING: One of the five Investor's Business Daily SmartSelectâ„¢ Corporate Ratings, this is a proprietary formula that incorporates the percentage change in the last two quarters' earnings versus the same quarters a year earlier, the 5-year growth rate and the earnings stability. All components are separately rated and weighted. The result is compared to all stocks in the database, rated with a value of 99 (highest) to 1 (lowest). An EPS Rating of 90 means the company produced earnings greater than 90 percent of all companies in the database." Also, while I agree EBMT has formed a nice pattern, it is below the 200 DMA-so there will be a lot of resistance as it rises. However, looking at it again, I think I see what you're looking at: You expect to buy a BO above the 200 DMA (which is where, approximately, the right lip is). jans In a message dated 5/24/2001 10:21:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ianstm@home.com writes: << Does anyone know how IBD comes up with their EPS ratings? Every now and then they baffle me. A current case in point is EMBT. EMBT's current numbers are 96 79 E A B. For the last 4 quarters, their EPS have been 0, 0.02, (0.22) and (0.01). How on earth can trailing twelve month losses of 21 cents a share garner them a 96 EPS rating? (EMBT has been a short favourite of mine for many months now) Ian >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. Date: 24 May 2001 12:22:44 -0700 Sold my position of ROYL. Looking back one can see a classic climax run. I should have took profits yesterday but oh well. My best one for the year. -Bill - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 24 May 2001 13:22:06 -0600 Thanks for going into more detail. Could you give an example or two of a stock with a 12 week handle as you are describing it? I agree some stocks do move up too fast, don't spend adequate time digesting gains, have further appreciation and PE expansion, get extended above 50dma then become vulnerable for a steep selloff. Present examples might be TRR and USPH. So far IGT, even with its short base, doesnt seem to be getting too far ahead of itself. It's PE is 23 wheras the other two have PE's of 48. The action of its price over the past three days I think is very constructive. At 10:27 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >Doug, > >Not sure. By that I mean that I read HTMMIS about 8 years ago. It >turns out that I have either misunderstood WON on a number of things >or had different interpretations. OTOH, I've been dead on with some >others. Since then, I've re-read, but more for selling rules, which >is where I have larger problems. > >Anyway... in this case, your definition sounds plausible. And, >maybe, there's something big I'm missing here. Generally, the >proportion of my buys that are C&H formations are pretty small - so >its not a big issue. I'm not sure if that's because of infrequency >of the formation, or just because I'm not defining it correctly. > >I guess its subjective in that to me - looking at IGT - at a first >look, its moved up too fast - and there hasn't been enough time to >digest the gains. You've got me thinking, and I could be way off on >this. > >To your other point, though, the longer handled formations tend to >work for me. Looking at some charts of stocks I've done well with, >a 12-week "handle" seems ideal. Longer than that (unlike with a >classic base) usually doesn't work - but then again, if the handle >lasts longer than 12-weeks, there's usually no breakout. It also >depends on how much the stock has advanced and how quickly. If a >stock traded between 20-30 for a year, then advanced to 40-45 in two >months with a C&H formation with a high of 45, and the base of the >cup at 35 - then I can live with a shorter handle. OTOH, if a stock >traded around 15 for a while, then advanced to 55 in 3 mos - then >forms that pattern - it needs more time to digest. > >On IGT - its in between. It traded below 30 for quite a while, then >went from 30 to 55 in 6 mos. - a good healthy growth rate. Then for >about 9 or 10 weeks, digested its gains, as you've pointed out. The >breakout to 60+ was on good volume. The bottom of the cup isn't at >highest volume - but it wasn't too long before the bottom. > >As I mentioned, you are probably more in line with pure CANSLIM - but >since you asked - I'm going off my experience on success/non-success. > Everyone sees this a little differently. I'm not sure why the >12-week "handle" gives me my biggest successes. > > >Does that help? > >Dave > >--- DougC wrote: > > I don't want to beat this to death but I'm just puzzled how you're > > coming up with your basing definitions. If whatever they are works > > for you that's fine. But I have to say I also disagree with your > > definition of a handle. From what I understand of CANSLIM or WON's > > or even some variations I've seen...the shorter the handle the > > better > > with a 1 to 2 week minimum. Personally I consider the three week > > handle of IGT a little long in proportion to the base. Would have > > liked > > to see it no longer than 2 weeks. But it was a very tight handle > > and > > was using the 50dma as support so so far it's worked out. Whether > > a basing pattern is c&H, or flat or double bottom is just a > > desciption > > of general price behavior. Bottom line is that if a stock like IGT > > has > > strong upward trending momentum like it had up to 03/07 then > > corrects > > with the market for a period of time it helps consolidate the stock > > into > > strong hands for further movement up through new 52 week highs. > > > > At 08:49 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >You are no doubt correct. I guess, without thinking about it, > > >technically I'd want the handle to be longer. I've mentally > > defined > > >the base as where the cup ends and the handle starts. This seems > > to > > >be in conflict with how WON defines it. > > > > > >So... if I use WON's terminology: > > >1. On a flat base I want to see at least 8 weeks. > > >2. On a handle I want to see at least 6 weeks. > > > > > >Not to say that IGT won't work - I hope it does. But... that's > > my > > >take on it. > > > > > >Good catch, > > > > > >Dave > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > You don't consider the 7 week cup starting 03/07 a base? Have > > > > you read p152 of HTMMIS. 'One of the most fundamental > > chart-base > > > > price > > > > patterns looks like a cup with a handle when the outline of a > > cup > > > > is viewed > > > > from the side. Cup patterns last, in time duration, from 7 to > > as > > > > many as 65 > > > > weeks. > > > > The usual percentage correction from the absolute peak to the > > low > > > > point of > > > > the price pattern varies from 12 to 15% to 33%.' The depth of > > IGT > > > > cup is around > > > > 17%. > > > > > > > > At 07:05 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >I guess we differ on what we consider to be a base. I can > > see > > > > and > > > > >understand the way you are looking at it. For me, the base > > starts > > > > >where you indicate the handle starts. Guess its all in the > > eye of > > > > >the beholder.. > > > > > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > > > I'm not sure I understand your point. I count the base of > > IGT > > > > as > > > > > > having a duration of 10 weeks. The left side of the cup > > started > > > > > > on 03/07. The cup 7 weeks and the handle 3 weeks. It's > > short > > > > > > but it is a base in a strongly uptrending stock with > > excellent > > > > > > numbers. And I believe it's > > > > > > breakout point of 57 should provide good support if tested. > > > > > > 60 might even be good support. And any price between 57 > > > > > > and 60 could provide a possible second chance entry. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:42 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > >Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM > > > > characteristics): > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I don't), > > I > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > >be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its last > > > > base. > > > > > > >For me, a base must be at least 6 weeks - preferably more > > - > > > > for me > > > > > > to > > > > > > >buy into the stock. Generally, if I've bought on a > > breakout > > > > of > > > > > > less > > > > > > >than 8 weeks - I've been wrong over 50% of the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Just one man's opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > >(p.s. In a recent IBD, Garrett VanWagoner "touted" EMLX > > and > > > > EMBT. > > > > > > >He looks at these as stocks that have great potential but > > got > > > > > > >severely beaten down by the tech wreck. Interestingly > > > > enough, > > > > > > these > > > > > > >stocks still have an RS of over 75 last time I looked > > despite > > > > > > being > > > > > > >way off their high. Not completely CANSLIM - but fits > > all > > > > the > > > > > > >characteristics except for being a good ways off the > > 52-week > > > > > > high.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > >===== > > >Dave Cameron > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. Date: 24 May 2001 13:35:45 -0600 ROYL is a very impressive pick. So congratulations. Just took a quick look at the chart on DGO. I'd have to say I would have not interpreted the recent run as a 'classic climax'. ROYL has a PE of only 16. It's got ADV of only 62K with a float of only 2.3 mil. And a market cap of under 100mil. That is definitely small cap territory. I don't have years of experience with this but I'd say that the recent rapid runup was due to the small float and ADV and extremely strong earnings growth momemtum. I would have been willing to let it drop 20% from the high of around 20 bucks before unloading it. At 12:22 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >Sold my position of ROYL. Looking back one can see a classic climax run. I >should have took profits yesterday but oh well. My best one for the year. > >-Bill > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 24 May 2001 12:42:01 -0700 Hey, I resemble that statement! I have tight stops on both though (43.95 on TRR and 28.85 on USPH) - guess I don't trust them either...also ATVI & THQI are ripe, but going bananas today regardless...(what, am I hungry or something...oh, it's lunchtime already!) In reply to a msg that I deleted, I do not need my money for another 35 years (indeed, I can't have it for another 35 years!) so I have lots of fortitude. High risk when I am playing with a little money and a long time frame, lower risk as the nest egg gets bigger and the time frame grows shorter, is my game plan. Remember, I was back in on those false confirmation days, just in case they were for real. I don't want to miss any big moves. It hasn't hurt me appreciably, actually when I chart my performance in Quicken, 2000 looks like a cup now, and I've almost climbed the right side of the rim! At 01:22 PM 5/24/2001 -0600, you wrote: >I agree some stocks do move up too fast, don't spend adequate time >digesting gains, have further appreciation and PE expansion, get >extended above 50dma then become vulnerable for a steep selloff. >Present examples might be TRR and USPH. So far IGT, even with its - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. Date: 24 May 2001 14:36:40 -0700 Doug, My reasoning was partially based on one of WON's selling rules of when it gets too far above it's 50dma price. I don't have my book here at work to point to but the fact that it was over 100% above its 50dma price yesterday was enough for me. Also, selling volume was big today. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:35 PM > ROYL is a very impressive pick. So congratulations. Just took a quick look > at the chart on DGO. I'd have to say I would have not > interpreted the recent run as a 'classic climax'. ROYL has a PE of only 16. > It's got ADV of only 62K with a float of only 2.3 mil. And a market cap of > under 100mil. That is definitely small cap territory. I don't have years of > experience with this but I'd say that the recent rapid runup was due to the > small > float and ADV and extremely strong earnings growth momemtum. I would > have been willing to let it drop 20% from the high of around 20 bucks before > unloading it. > > > > At 12:22 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Sold my position of ROYL. Looking back one can see a classic climax run. I > >should have took profits yesterday but oh well. My best one for the year. > > > >-Bill > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. Date: 24 May 2001 14:42:39 -0700 I should also add my other reason is non-canslim but "gut feeling". I feel that some of these spectacular energy related gains are due to the recent media coverage. Only an opinion of course. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:35 PM > ROYL is a very impressive pick. So congratulations. Just took a quick look > at the chart on DGO. I'd have to say I would have not > interpreted the recent run as a 'classic climax'. ROYL has a PE of only 16. > It's got ADV of only 62K with a float of only 2.3 mil. And a market cap of > under 100mil. That is definitely small cap territory. I don't have years of > experience with this but I'd say that the recent rapid runup was due to the > small > float and ADV and extremely strong earnings growth momemtum. I would > have been willing to let it drop 20% from the high of around 20 bucks before > unloading it. > > > > At 12:22 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Sold my position of ROYL. Looking back one can see a classic climax run. I > >should have took profits yesterday but oh well. My best one for the year. > > > >-Bill > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... Date: 24 May 2001 17:45:10 -0400 Ian, From looking at DGO, I do not see quarterly earnings that match yours. I see .08, .10, .10, .08 for the four qtrs ending March 31, 2001. Mar was up 700% (.08 vs. .01). Sales look great each qtr with 74% being the lowest. Est for 2001 EPS is +38% and 2002 is +43%. Not sure why you thought this was a candidate to short. There are a lot worst stocks out there. Why are our figures different?? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ian Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:36 AM Does anyone know how IBD comes up with their EPS ratings? Every now and then they baffle me. A current case in point is EMBT. EMBT's current numbers are 96 79 E A B. For the last 4 quarters, their EPS have been 0, 0.02, (0.22) and (0.01). How on earth can trailing twelve month losses of 21 cents a share garner them a 96 EPS rating? (EMBT has been a short favourite of mine for many months now) Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 24 May 2001 19:06:54 -0400 Seems ready to go from C&H. Opinions? Anna - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. Date: 24 May 2001 19:01:50 -0600 I understand. I have to admit that I'm influenced by more than WON on the selling aspect of CANSLIM. And I certainly don't have it all straight in my head yet on how I want to go about selling in any given situation. But I'm trying to take into consideration factors other than set percentages. WON's rules depend mostly on percentages and he doesnt give much attention, at least in HTMMIS, to support levels. I'm in three stocks that have appreciated more than 50% from where I bought them 4 weeks ago. Instead of looking to sell near a top I'm trying a strategy of letting the stocks come down not more than 15-20% as part of a normal pullback or to build a 2 to 4 week base before continuing up. This wouldnt have worked for lots of breakouts over the past year. But I'm with the belief that there is enough strength building across all the markets so that we won't be seeing straight up or parabolic stock runs then complete breakdowns. But of course if analysts start playing games with my stocks and downgrading them then I can only hope to be watchful enough to get out before they take away too much of my profit. At 02:36 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >Doug, > >My reasoning was partially based on one of WON's selling rules of when it >gets too far above it's 50dma price. I don't have my book here at work to >point to but the fact that it was over 100% above its 50dma price yesterday >was enough for me. Also, selling volume was big today. > >-Bill Triffet > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "DougC" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:35 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. > > > > ROYL is a very impressive pick. So congratulations. Just took a quick look > > at the chart on DGO. I'd have to say I would have not > > interpreted the recent run as a 'classic climax'. ROYL has a PE of only >16. > > It's got ADV of only 62K with a float of only 2.3 mil. And a market cap of > > under 100mil. That is definitely small cap territory. I don't have years >of > > experience with this but I'd say that the recent rapid runup was due to >the > > small > > float and ADV and extremely strong earnings growth momemtum. I would > > have been willing to let it drop 20% from the high of around 20 bucks >before > > unloading it. > > > > > > > > At 12:22 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >Sold my position of ROYL. Looking back one can see a classic climax run. >I > > >should have took profits yesterday but oh well. My best one for the year. > > > > > >-Bill > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: [CANSLIM] Longer handles (was IGT) Date: 24 May 2001 18:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Wow - what a discussion. All right, I waited until I got home to go over some previous buys. Example 1 (8 week handle): MASX. The stock spiked on high volume in mid May of 1996 following a run up from 11 to 38 in 2 mos. From mid May to the start of September (14 weeks or so), it formed a cup -correcting to 23 at the lowest (except for a spike). The handle started in early September and lasted for 8 weeks. Around the end of Oct was a breakout to 40 on high volume. 8 weeks later, the stock was at 69. Example 2 (9 week handle): EQNX. The stock ran up from 11 in Sept 1997 to 19 in Nov 97. It formed what I considered to be a cup through about Jan 9, 1998 - with a low of 14.50 on high volume. The handle lasted until March 8 or so in 1998 - breaking out above 20 on high volume. It went up to 26 in the next couple of months. This isn't exactly a classic cup in the handle went up before drifting down. Example 3 (11 week handle): FDO. The stock ran up from 17 in June '97 to 23.50 in late July '97 (not much of a run-up, but...). The cup's low point was 19-5/8 or so - the handle started in late August - ran until a spike up around the end of October brought it to 25+. The stock was at 40 6 mos. later. Sorry that the examples are a little old, but as I mentioned earlier, I haven't had any successes with these patterns in a while - and I only keep records on stocks I traded. Dave --- DougC wrote: > Thanks for going into more detail. Could you give an example or two > of a stock with a 12 week handle as you are describing it? > > I agree some stocks do move up too fast, don't spend adequate time > digesting gains, have further appreciation and PE expansion, get > extended above 50dma then become vulnerable for a steep selloff. > Present examples might be TRR and USPH. So far IGT, even with its > short base, doesnt seem to be getting too far ahead of itself. It's > PE > is 23 wheras the other two have PE's of 48. The > action of its price over the past three days I think is very > constructive. > > > > At 10:27 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Doug, > > > >Not sure. By that I mean that I read HTMMIS about 8 years ago. > It > >turns out that I have either misunderstood WON on a number of > things > >or had different interpretations. OTOH, I've been dead on with > some > >others. Since then, I've re-read, but more for selling rules, > which > >is where I have larger problems. > > > >Anyway... in this case, your definition sounds plausible. And, > >maybe, there's something big I'm missing here. Generally, the > >proportion of my buys that are C&H formations are pretty small - > so > >its not a big issue. I'm not sure if that's because of > infrequency > >of the formation, or just because I'm not defining it correctly. > > > >I guess its subjective in that to me - looking at IGT - at a first > >look, its moved up too fast - and there hasn't been enough time to > >digest the gains. You've got me thinking, and I could be way off > on > >this. > > > >To your other point, though, the longer handled formations tend to > >work for me. Looking at some charts of stocks I've done well > with, > >a 12-week "handle" seems ideal. Longer than that (unlike with a > >classic base) usually doesn't work - but then again, if the handle > >lasts longer than 12-weeks, there's usually no breakout. It also > >depends on how much the stock has advanced and how quickly. If a > >stock traded between 20-30 for a year, then advanced to 40-45 in > two > >months with a C&H formation with a high of 45, and the base of the > >cup at 35 - then I can live with a shorter handle. OTOH, if a > stock > >traded around 15 for a while, then advanced to 55 in 3 mos - then > >forms that pattern - it needs more time to digest. > > > >On IGT - its in between. It traded below 30 for quite a while, > then > >went from 30 to 55 in 6 mos. - a good healthy growth rate. Then > for > >about 9 or 10 weeks, digested its gains, as you've pointed out. > The > >breakout to 60+ was on good volume. The bottom of the cup isn't > at > >highest volume - but it wasn't too long before the bottom. > > > >As I mentioned, you are probably more in line with pure CANSLIM - > but > >since you asked - I'm going off my experience on > success/non-success. > > Everyone sees this a little differently. I'm not sure why the > >12-week "handle" gives me my biggest successes. > > > > > >Does that help? > > > >Dave > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > I don't want to beat this to death but I'm just puzzled how > you're > > > coming up with your basing definitions. If whatever they are > works > > > for you that's fine. But I have to say I also disagree with > your > > > definition of a handle. From what I understand of CANSLIM or > WON's > > > or even some variations I've seen...the shorter the handle the > > > better > > > with a 1 to 2 week minimum. Personally I consider the three > week > > > handle of IGT a little long in proportion to the base. Would > have > > > liked > > > to see it no longer than 2 weeks. But it was a very tight > handle > > > and > > > was using the 50dma as support so so far it's worked out. > Whether > > > a basing pattern is c&H, or flat or double bottom is just a > > > desciption > > > of general price behavior. Bottom line is that if a stock like > IGT > > > has > > > strong upward trending momentum like it had up to 03/07 then > > > corrects > > > with the market for a period of time it helps consolidate the > stock > > > into > > > strong hands for further movement up through new 52 week highs. > > > > > > At 08:49 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >You are no doubt correct. I guess, without thinking about > it, > > > >technically I'd want the handle to be longer. I've mentally > > > defined > > > >the base as where the cup ends and the handle starts. This > seems > > > to > > > >be in conflict with how WON defines it. > > > > > > > >So... if I use WON's terminology: > > > >1. On a flat base I want to see at least 8 weeks. > > > >2. On a handle I want to see at least 6 weeks. > > > > > > > >Not to say that IGT won't work - I hope it does. But... > that's > > > my > > > >take on it. > > > > > > > >Good catch, > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > > You don't consider the 7 week cup starting 03/07 a base? > Have > > > > > you read p152 of HTMMIS. 'One of the most fundamental > > > chart-base > > > > > price > > > > > patterns looks like a cup with a handle when the outline of > a > > > cup > > > > > is viewed > > > > > from the side. Cup patterns last, in time duration, from 7 > to > > > as > > > > > many as 65 > > > > > weeks. > > > > > The usual percentage correction from the absolute peak to > the > > > low > > > > > point of > > > > > the price pattern varies from 12 to 15% to 33%.' The depth > of > > > IGT > > > > > cup is around > > > > > 17%. > > > > > > > > > > At 07:05 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > >I guess we differ on what we consider to be a base. I > can > > > see > > > > > and > > > > > >understand the way you are looking at it. For me, the > base > > > starts > > > > > >where you indicate the handle starts. Guess its all in > the > > > eye of > > > > > >the beholder.. > > > > > > > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not sure I understand your point. I count the base > of > > > IGT > > > > > as > > > > > > > having a duration of 10 weeks. The left side of the cup > > > started > > > > > > > on 03/07. The cup 7 weeks and the handle 3 weeks. It's > > > short > > > > > > > but it is a base in a strongly uptrending stock with > > > excellent > > > > > > > numbers. And I believe it's > > > > > > > breakout point of 57 should provide good support if > tested. > > > > > > > 60 might even be good support. And any price between 57 > > > > > > > and 60 could provide a possible second chance entry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:42 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > >Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM > > > > > characteristics): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I > don't), > > > I > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > >be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its > last > > > > > base. > === message truncated === ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... Date: 24 May 2001 19:25:50 -0700 Rick: Here are the real GAAP numbers: http://www.marketguide.com/mgi/MG.asp?nss=www&rt=highlights&rn=A2388 Does DGO use the same 'pro-forma everything but the kitchen sink' accounting method that got Cisco into so much trouble? EMBT reminds me of EMLX at $110 - the total addressable market for their products is a fraction of their market cap. Since May 7 EMBT has had 4 distribution days on greater than average volume. It also has a classic head and shoulders pattern. Still, shorting in a bull run can be very dangerous to my health, so I'll probably pass until 'M' looks weak. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:45 PM > Ian, > From looking at DGO, I do not see quarterly earnings that match yours. I > see .08, .10, .10, .08 for the four qtrs ending March 31, 2001. Mar was up > 700% (.08 vs. .01). Sales look great each qtr with 74% being the lowest. > Est for 2001 EPS is +38% and 2002 is +43%. > > Not sure why you thought this was a candidate to short. There are a lot > worst stocks out there. Why are our figures different?? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ian > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:36 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... > > > Does anyone know how IBD comes up with their EPS ratings? Every now and then > they baffle me. A current case in point is EMBT. EMBT's current numbers are > 96 79 E A B. For the last 4 quarters, their EPS have been 0, 0.02, (0.22) > and (0.01). How on earth can trailing twelve month losses of 21 cents a > share garner them a 96 EPS rating? > > (EMBT has been a short favourite of mine for many months now) > > Ian > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... Date: 24 May 2001 19:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Ian, EMBT and EMLX are both major holdings of Garrett VanWagoner - fund manager who greatly outperformed the indexes in the bull market for tech stocks. In a recent IBD (Monday, I think - but I could be off one day either direction), VanWagoner was cited on page B3 something to the effect that these were key holdings of his with a fair amount of appreciation potential. Now, having said that, it is not uncommon for fund managers to sell some key holdings based on whatever knowledge they get sometime after the interview. It may even be somewhat common for them to try and drum up business for the stocks so they can sell. VanWagoner may have enough of a name that other institutions would then look at his recommendations. Of course, that's pretty cynical - isn't it. Then again, I'm pretty cynical about the whole business. Anyway... its interesting that you mention these two specifically for that reason. In addition, since both stocks are 90+/70+, I wouldn't short them - but that could just be me. I'm surprised at the high RS, but - I'd never short a stock with a 90+ EPS - too much upside potential on high EPS stocks, in my opinion. Now... an 8 EPS combined with a 99 RS.... Dave --- Ian wrote: > Rick: > > Here are the real GAAP numbers: > http://www.marketguide.com/mgi/MG.asp?nss=www&rt=highlights&rn=A2388 > > Does DGO use the same 'pro-forma everything but the kitchen sink' > accounting > method that got Cisco into so much trouble? > > EMBT reminds me of EMLX at $110 - the total addressable market for > their > products is a fraction of their market cap. > > Since May 7 EMBT has had 4 distribution days on greater than > average volume. > It also has a classic head and shoulders pattern. Still, shorting > in a bull > run can be very dangerous to my health, so I'll probably pass until > 'M' > looks weak. > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Parsons > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:45 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... > > > > Ian, > > From looking at DGO, I do not see quarterly earnings that match > yours. I > > see .08, .10, .10, .08 for the four qtrs ending March 31, 2001. > Mar was > up > > 700% (.08 vs. .01). Sales look great each qtr with 74% being the > lowest. > > Est for 2001 EPS is +38% and 2002 is +43%. > > > > Not sure why you thought this was a candidate to short. There > are a lot > > worst stocks out there. Why are our figures different?? > > > > Rick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ian > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:36 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... > > > > > > Does anyone know how IBD comes up with their EPS ratings? Every > now and > then > > they baffle me. A current case in point is EMBT. EMBT's current > numbers > are > > 96 79 E A B. For the last 4 quarters, their EPS have been 0, > 0.02, (0.22) > > and (0.01). How on earth can trailing twelve month losses of 21 > cents a > > share garner them a 96 EPS rating? > > > > (EMBT has been a short favourite of mine for many months now) > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... Date: 24 May 2001 19:47:15 -0700 Now you've really scared me off. I have a lot of respect for VanWagoner as a pure momo player in bull markets. However, it boggles my mind that EMBT's EPS rating is 96. Heck, ACLNF is just 98, with a market cap less than half of EMBT, and ACLNF puts more $$$ into shareholder equity each quarter than EMBT grosses in revenues - with a much more sustainable growth model going forward. Go figure. Thanks for the input, Ian PS - Both EMLX and EMBT were spectacular shorts for me in February. Maybe if I am patient enough, I can do it all over again :) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:22 PM > Ian, > > EMBT and EMLX are both major holdings of Garrett VanWagoner - fund > manager who greatly outperformed the indexes in the bull market for > tech stocks. In a recent IBD (Monday, I think - but I could be off > one day either direction), VanWagoner was cited on page B3 something > to the effect that these were key holdings of his with a fair amount > of appreciation potential. > > Now, having said that, it is not uncommon for fund managers to sell > some key holdings based on whatever knowledge they get sometime after > the interview. It may even be somewhat common for them to try and > drum up business for the stocks so they can sell. VanWagoner may > have enough of a name that other institutions would then look at his > recommendations. Of course, that's pretty cynical - isn't it. > Then again, I'm pretty cynical about the whole business. > > Anyway... its interesting that you mention these two specifically for > that reason. In addition, since both stocks are 90+/70+, I wouldn't > short them - but that could just be me. I'm surprised at the high > RS, but - I'd never short a stock with a 90+ EPS - too much upside > potential on high EPS stocks, in my opinion. Now... an 8 EPS > combined with a 99 RS.... > > Dave > > --- Ian wrote: > > Rick: > > > > Here are the real GAAP numbers: > > > http://www.marketguide.com/mgi/MG.asp?nss=www&rt=highlights&rn=A2388 > > > > Does DGO use the same 'pro-forma everything but the kitchen sink' > > accounting > > method that got Cisco into so much trouble? > > > > EMBT reminds me of EMLX at $110 - the total addressable market for > > their > > products is a fraction of their market cap. > > > > Since May 7 EMBT has had 4 distribution days on greater than > > average volume. > > It also has a classic head and shoulders pattern. Still, shorting > > in a bull > > run can be very dangerous to my health, so I'll probably pass until > > 'M' > > looks weak. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rick Parsons > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:45 PM > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... > > > > > > > Ian, > > > From looking at DGO, I do not see quarterly earnings that match > > yours. I > > > see .08, .10, .10, .08 for the four qtrs ending March 31, 2001. > > Mar was > > up > > > 700% (.08 vs. .01). Sales look great each qtr with 74% being the > > lowest. > > > Est for 2001 EPS is +38% and 2002 is +43%. > > > > > > Not sure why you thought this was a candidate to short. There > > are a lot > > > worst stocks out there. Why are our figures different?? > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ian > > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:36 AM > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how IBD comes up with their EPS ratings? Every > > now and > > then > > > they baffle me. A current case in point is EMBT. EMBT's current > > numbers > > are > > > 96 79 E A B. For the last 4 quarters, their EPS have been 0, > > 0.02, (0.22) > > > and (0.01). How on earth can trailing twelve month losses of 21 > > cents a > > > share garner them a 96 EPS rating? > > > > > > (EMBT has been a short favourite of mine for many months now) > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: [CANSLIM] EMBT Date: 24 May 2001 19:43:11 -0700 (PDT) --- Ian wrote: > Now you've really scared me off. I have a lot of respect for > VanWagoner as a > pure momo player in bull markets. However, it boggles my mind that > EMBT's > EPS rating is 96. I haven't looked up EMBT's numbers - but, as you know, if the growth rate is strong, it doesn't matter what the price/sales ratio is. A stock could grow from .01 to .03 to .09 to .27 in earnings, but with a price of 10 to 30 to 80 to 200. This would keep the EPS up in the high nineties, with an RS to match - and you'd multiply your investment 20-fold. The fact that it started at 250 times earnings and ended at 180 times earnings isn't all that relevant. Regardless, I wouldn't buy EMBT either. Maybe if I felt I could make a quick buck off it - but I'd be day-trading here, not CANSLIMing. Its way too far off its high. Hence, I'm more surprised that the RS is 78. Dave > Heck, ACLNF is just 98, with a market cap less > than half > of EMBT, and ACLNF puts more $$$ into shareholder equity each > quarter than > EMBT grosses in revenues - with a much more sustainable growth > model going > forward. Go figure. > > > Thanks for the input, > > Ian > > > PS - Both EMLX and EMBT were spectacular shorts for me in February. > Maybe if > I am patient enough, I can do it all over again :) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave Cameron > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... > > > > Ian, > > > > EMBT and EMLX are both major holdings of Garrett VanWagoner - > fund > > manager who greatly outperformed the indexes in the bull market > for > > tech stocks. In a recent IBD (Monday, I think - but I could be > off > > one day either direction), VanWagoner was cited on page B3 > something > > to the effect that these were key holdings of his with a fair > amount > > of appreciation potential. > > > > Now, having said that, it is not uncommon for fund managers to > sell > > some key holdings based on whatever knowledge they get sometime > after > > the interview. It may even be somewhat common for them to try > and > > drum up business for the stocks so they can sell. VanWagoner > may > > have enough of a name that other institutions would then look at > his > > recommendations. Of course, that's pretty cynical - isn't it. > > Then again, I'm pretty cynical about the whole business. > > > > Anyway... its interesting that you mention these two specifically > for > > that reason. In addition, since both stocks are 90+/70+, I > wouldn't > > short them - but that could just be me. I'm surprised at the > high > > RS, but - I'd never short a stock with a 90+ EPS - too much > upside > > potential on high EPS stocks, in my opinion. Now... an 8 EPS > > combined with a 99 RS.... > > > > Dave > > > > --- Ian wrote: > > > Rick: > > > > > > Here are the real GAAP numbers: > > > > > > http://www.marketguide.com/mgi/MG.asp?nss=www&rt=highlights&rn=A2388 > > > > > > Does DGO use the same 'pro-forma everything but the kitchen > sink' > > > accounting > > > method that got Cisco into so much trouble? > > > > > > EMBT reminds me of EMLX at $110 - the total addressable market > for > > > their > > > products is a fraction of their market cap. > > > > > > Since May 7 EMBT has had 4 distribution days on greater than > > > average volume. > > > It also has a classic head and shoulders pattern. Still, > shorting > > > in a bull > > > run can be very dangerous to my health, so I'll probably pass > until > > > 'M' > > > looks weak. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Rick Parsons > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:45 PM > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... > > > > > > > > > > Ian, > > > > From looking at DGO, I do not see quarterly earnings that > match > > > yours. I > > > > see .08, .10, .10, .08 for the four qtrs ending March 31, > 2001. > > > Mar was > > > up > > > > 700% (.08 vs. .01). Sales look great each qtr with 74% being > the > > > lowest. > > > > Est for 2001 EPS is +38% and 2002 is +43%. > > > > > > > > Not sure why you thought this was a candidate to short. > There > > > are a lot > > > > worst stocks out there. Why are our figures different?? > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ian > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:36 AM > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how IBD comes up with their EPS ratings? > Every > > > now and > > > then > > > > they baffle me. A current case in point is EMBT. EMBT's > current > > > numbers > > > are > > > > 96 79 E A B. For the last 4 quarters, their EPS have been 0, > > > 0.02, (0.22) > > > > and (0.01). How on earth can trailing twelve month losses of > 21 > > > cents a > > > > share garner them a 96 EPS rating? > > > > > > > > (EMBT has been a short favourite of mine for many months now) > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > ===== > > Dave Cameron > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 24 May 2001 19:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Anna, Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little unconventional. But... here goes: 1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it seems to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher price than the first and on higher volume. 2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't broken out yet. Right? Dave --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > Seems ready to go from C&H. > Opinions? > > Anna > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions Date: 24 May 2001 20:20:11 -0700 (PDT) I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - is because I finally believe that M is favorable. As I pointed out earlier, I have put money in the market several times this year - only to come out with less than I went in with. I wiped out my year 2000 gains and then some. In each case, maybe it was hopeful thinking. For some reason, I have noticed quite a few more uptrends on stocks lately - and maybe I'm starting to feel in the back of my mind that we've turned around. Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Short squeeze coming? Date: 24 May 2001 23:30:28 -0400 I question the accuracy of this article, as it indicates a weekly comparison of short interest. To the best of my knowledge, the short positions are reported by the three exchanges (NYSE, AMEX, NASDAQ) on a monthly basis. I verified indirectly tonight that this practice has not changed, at least as shown in the short interest reports at DGO. As of now, NYSE reported as of 5/15/01, and the report shows the top 100 in terms of volume shorted. Naz usually reports a little later, the latest data in that report is as of 4/15. I would also disagree in terms of the mechanics. A large short position is bullish, a short squeeze in progress is bearish, as it means the shorts are covering, therefore back in cash. Once they lick their wounds, they are usually ready to short again, often the same stock. Far too many convince themselves they are shorting the right stock, just with bad timing. And serious short selling, just like funds dumping for a short term profit, can be a powerful rally wrecker. If I hold a stock with a large short position (usually don't because most of my stocks don't have options available, and shorts often like to hedge with options), and I see heavy buying that I suspect is a short squeeze in progress, I will usually sell and sit on the sidelines to see what develops. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 8:48 AM >From Today's IBD, This may nudge the M more to our favor. "In fact, the short interest ratio is higher than a week ago when the market kicked off its latest move up. At some point the losses will become intolerable for investors who have sold borrowed shares from their brokers in hopes of buying them back at a lower price. They'll be forced to cover their losing positions, which will give the market an extra boost of buying. Short sellers and option players aren't the only folks questioning the rally. The weekly survey of bullish investment advisers logged a decline. Bulls dropped to 47.9%, which is good. The market is better off if optimism stays contained." Regards Kent Norman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 24 May 2001 20:52:05 -0700 (PDT) As the group knows, I have been searching for clues as to the new leading group. Perhaps this note from Friday's IBD is a hint? What do you folks think? "Thursday's Stocks: A number of medical stocks have taken leading roles in the past few weeks. Biotechs moved up for a second day." Thanks Kent Norman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley - Small Caps Date: 24 May 2001 23:54:24 -0400 Hi Rick, Only once in the past few years have I posted my small cap (which is also my only) watch list. It's not something I intend to repeat soon, as I am convinced that most investors, much less CANSLIMers, should not spend their time looking at them. I am doing well this year, largely due the success of EPIQ. While I am on vacation next two weeks, I will try to dredge up my confirms for the past two years and post my entry and exit points for study. What you will see is that I violated many basic rules of CANSLIM. I had lots of experience on my side, plus a fast profit on my first round trip. That bolstered my confidence in going to the well a 2nd, 3rd and 4th time. Even during the past five months, when the small caps have been generally doing better than any other index, I don't consider them to be true CANSLIM. What I do I view as being high risk, only slightly better than those that buy penny stocks that are down 80 or 90% (as compared to buying big caps down the same percentage). And I don't simply focus on small caps, I focus on small and microcaps trading from $2 to $18 dollars, with most emphasis on those under $15. So just on price alone, I exclude from consideration virtually every stock that most members of this group will even consider. That makes my stocks off topic. You are correct, the DGO List I post weekly is not, in any way, small cap oriented. It is the culling from a report by DGO without regard to size or price, just that it is already in the DG books, has both RS and EPS of 80 or better as of Friday's close, and is at or within 5% of its 12 month high sometime during the prior week. It is a review I do as a contribution to this group, but would do anyway to stay in touch with mainstream CANSLIM health. It is a fundamental influence to my reading of "M". But very rarely do I find an addition to my watch list there, that comes from reviewing screened lists of stocks hitting new highs printed during the week, then checking those in industry groups I favor using DGO to see if they present CANSLIM characteristics. It would save me an enormous amount of time every week if DGO would provide a comprehensive list of new weekly highs that is not restricted by having to be in the DG books, but such is not to be. But both buying, and holding, small cap stocks, esp at the prices I favor, is difficult and tricky. I cannot encourage any investor seriously trying to employ sensible rules, much less CANSLIM, to follow in my footsteps. The concept of CANSLIM is to turn the odds in your personal favor, what I do is significantly increase both the risks and the rewards (on the rare occasions when you are really, really right). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:06 AM Tom, Correct me if my observation here is wrong. I have seen you mention many times that you prefer small caps with great CANSLIM characteristics. You seem to be doing great with them. However, I believe I rarely see you post small cap candidates to watch. I know you put out a DGO list but I believe these are not your small cap watch list. I believe you mentioned you do not post them because being small cap, they are not truly CANSLIM. However, I look to you as being a mentor. I would like to learn more about your success with small caps. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:08 PM I certainly don't consider the money in my IRA as "play money", even if I have fun with it. but despite only buying small and micro cap stocks with excellent CANSLIM characteristics, I still am up about 52% for the year. I think the Russell 2000 Index is currently the best index of all, and I have soundly beaten it (it's up about 6% for the year last time I checked). That's the kind of index beating performance I demand of CANSLIM, and myself. If I cannot substantially beat an unmanaged index, then I am doing something wrong, either in my picks, my application of CANSLIM, or simply of buying individual stocks in the first place. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:10 PM >Again, did you know 3 months ago that you would be better off in index >funds? No. If you think that now, why not put some of that cash into VFINX >then? Diversification is king. I am not nearly 100% in CANSLIM stocks, and >I don't think anyone should be, unless their accounts are funded with >"play >money" and they can afford to lose any of their capital. Oh, I am. I'm CANSLIM investing with a portion only. Still.... > >FYI, I am spectacularly ahead, and so should most on this list be, at >least >for the past month. The CANSLIM parts of my accounts are killing the index >fund parts! I am ahead, but by no means spectacularly ahead. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Small Cap volatility Date: 24 May 2001 23:56:10 -0400 yes, on all counts, violating many basic CANSLIM rules in the process. I also miss a frustrating lot of them when they do break out. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:13 AM Tom, Since you like small caps and seem to have much success with them, tell me how you get around the fact that these small cap stocks are more likely to stop one out. Do you use larger stops or depend exclusively on getting in "perfectly"? Or buy them below the pivot in anticipation of a breakout? Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:58 AM Another point to keep in mind is that 2001 has been, finally, a good year for small caps. When you evaluate "M", it is important to see the huge divergence in the charts of Russell 2000 (which looks much like the NYSE Composite and DOW 30 charts) and the NASDAQ Composite and Naz 100 charts (which really have not recovered much after being the biggest losers). You will typically find that stocks with small ADV are either small cap stocks, or have such a small float that they are "handled" as if they are small caps. I would also make the additional point for those members that still persist in venturing into stocks with low ADV. Trying to use an 8% stop on your entry will likely result in being stopped out even more often, unless you bot it almost perfectly, followed by a strong move up. Otherwise, these stocks that often trade with much greater volatility, may stop you out. And the more CANSLIM rules you ignore, or modify significantly, the greater your risk. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:44 AM Tom, Your point makes good sense, as usual. Thanks for sharing your experience. I was speaking having only seen what happened to PECS when the funds started coming in. Will try to remember to watch so I can learn from what happens when they start to exit. Jim ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:40 AM > Jim, > > I will speak from a very extensive experience of buying and > trading stocks with very small ADV. In over two years of owning > EPIQ, to cite one successful example, I have seen many days when > it traded 1,000 shares or less. Most of that time the ADV > remained under 10,000. That it has succeeded big time is despite > those years of low liquidity. > > For CANSLIM purposes, you really want to only look at stocks with > decent liquidity, I would suggest a minimum of 50,000 ADV, > measured BEFORE a price spike and subsequent high volume > significantly raises the ADV. > > You want to buy a stock that the funds will also be interested in > buying. If it is so illiquid that they will only chance a buy > once the volume had grown substantially, it is more likely they > will be there only short term, take a quick profit, and exit. And > their exit will do more damage, often halting a rally in > progress, than their buying ever contributed to keeping the > momentum rolling. > > And the more liquid a stock, normally the tighter the spread > between the bid and ask. And that's important if you are using an > 8% stop from your entry, you don't want to give up 1% just to the > spread. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Carr > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:54 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > Andy, > I'm speaking from a limited experience base on this, but will > cite one > recent example. A few weeks ago, I watched PECS break out of a > very nice > C&H. I decided to pass on it, primarily because the ADV was > sitting around > 15K at the time. Great idea! PECS is now ~68% above the pivot, > and the > volume accompanying the buyout has knocked the ADV up to over > 108K. I'll > think more seriously about letting this scare me off next time. > > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drewcorp" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > > I think there is much to like about HIBB.... > > > > I am concerned about average daily volume (16,000). I believe > WON > > recommends a much higher number to be considered. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Andy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Parsons" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:21 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout > > > > > > > HIBB breaking out of a nice looking cup and handle on high > volume today > > > despite "M". > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 24 May 2001 21:00:15 -0700 (PDT) more on the subject, Same issue. "Leading stocks move in packs. When you see a few companies making bullish moves, look for related stocks to follow. The table of 52-Week Highs & Lows in the print edition is sorted by sectors with the most new highs for that very reason. Real estate investment trusts, regional banks and savings and loans have clogged the top of the list in recent weeks. They’re benefiting from the Fed’s rate cuts. But they’re not typically areas where you find big winning stocks. Look a little farther down the list and you’ll see the computer, medical and retail sectors. They have a better track record of generating market leaders." -------- --- Kent Norman wrote: > As the group knows, I have been searching for clues > as > to the new leading group. Perhaps this note from > Friday's IBD is a hint? What do you folks think? > > "Thursday's Stocks: A number of medical stocks have > taken leading roles in the past few weeks. Biotechs > moved up for a second day." > > Thanks > Kent Norman > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. Date: 24 May 2001 21:06:08 -0700 Oops! I meant to say if a stock gets too far above the 200dma, not the 50. To be more specific selling rule #34,"Some stocks can be sold when they are 70% to 100% above their 200dma price line". Of course that is countered by #7 of the holding rules, "If possible, try and hold through the stocks first short term correction once you already have a profit". I guess it's a matter of deciding how much of a profit I'm willing to give up. (g) On the other hand, if the 15-20% down turn was at or near the 50dma, I too would have held out counting on a bounce there. I have to agree the selling is the toughest part. I vowed that this year I would spend much more time researching it. I didn't do much of any trades last year and the year before - well I just worried about finding the proper buy points. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:01 PM > I understand. I have to admit that I'm influenced by more than WON > on the selling aspect of CANSLIM. And I certainly don't have it all > straight in my head yet on how I want to go about selling in any given > situation. But I'm trying to take into consideration factors other than > set percentages. WON's rules depend mostly on percentages and he > doesnt give much attention, at least in HTMMIS, to support levels. I'm > in three stocks that have appreciated more than 50% from where I bought > them 4 weeks ago. Instead of looking to sell near a top I'm trying a strategy > of letting the stocks come down not more than 15-20% as part of a normal > pullback or to build a 2 to 4 week base before continuing up. > This wouldnt have worked for lots of breakouts over the past year. But I'm > with the belief that there is enough strength building across all the markets > so that we won't be seeing straight up or parabolic stock runs then > complete breakdowns. But of course if analysts start playing games with my > stocks and downgrading them then I can only hope to be watchful enough to > get out before they take away too much of my profit. > > At 02:36 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Doug, > > > >My reasoning was partially based on one of WON's selling rules of when it > >gets too far above it's 50dma price. I don't have my book here at work to > >point to but the fact that it was over 100% above its 50dma price yesterday > >was enough for me. Also, selling volume was big today. > > > >-Bill Triffet > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "DougC" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:35 PM > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. > > > > > > > ROYL is a very impressive pick. So congratulations. Just took a quick look > > > at the chart on DGO. I'd have to say I would have not > > > interpreted the recent run as a 'classic climax'. ROYL has a PE of only > >16. > > > It's got ADV of only 62K with a float of only 2.3 mil. And a market cap of > > > under 100mil. That is definitely small cap territory. I don't have years > >of > > > experience with this but I'd say that the recent rapid runup was due to > >the > > > small > > > float and ADV and extremely strong earnings growth momemtum. I would > > > have been willing to let it drop 20% from the high of around 20 bucks > >before > > > unloading it. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:22 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Sold my position of ROYL. Looking back one can see a classic climax run. > >I > > > >should have took profits yesterday but oh well. My best one for the year. > > > > > > > >-Bill > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 24 May 2001 22:05:04 -0600 I agree. It's a C&H. The handle is extended above the base by about 5% I think that's acceptable. There's definitely been accumulation the past four weeks. I looked at the 52 week 'weekly' chart. BPFH has had a nice run from 7.5 last May. Don't understand some of the fundies data on DGO. Last quarter had 17% earnings decrease over previous years. It shows this quarters earnings up 40% but doesnt show a rev. number. Not a top tier growth stock but the canslim numbers seem to be good enough to jump in if it breaks out tomorrow or early next week. That's if you really need the action. Personally I'd keep looking for something better. At 07:06 PM 5/24/01 -0400, you wrote: >Seems ready to go from C&H. >Opinions? > >Anna > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 25 May 2001 00:08:52 -0400 Don't worry, Steff, I didn't take it personal, I know the effort and ethics I put into the business. If I had to do it all over again, I would start with a much larger firm, but the same attitudes I held. Probably wouldn't have fared much better there either, much like WON. Over the years, I have known and worked with many decent and intelligent and hard working brokers. The best of them eventually either left the business entirely, or gravitated into asset management positions. Many of the others were decent fellows, but fools. But even some of the fools were still very likable persons. I fault the industry in its structure. So long as the incentive is there to do a trade to generate a commission, the industry will continue to suffer, along with the investors lacking either the time, interest, or knowledge to learn to make their own decisions (and thereby simply use an online brokerage system). The future lies in asset management, with broker compensation consisting of a basic salary, with bonuses awarded as a result of a combo of assets under management and managed assets growth (either from making good decisions, or from bringing in new assets, which usually reflects the former). Only then can broker's performance (including taking a house analyst's recommendation and applying human intelligence to it) finally be adequately measured and rewarded. That will finally weed out the ones who just parrot what some house analyst told them, or are just order takers and messengers, and develop a core of true financial professionals. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:15 AM Hi Tom, I'm not disagreeing with anything you have said but I recently left a position at a small brokerage firm. I was the assistant to the CEO so I've seen the good and bad also. My comment was leaning towards my experience of uneducated brokers and not enough additional education and support for them. The company consisted of three divisions: discount, commission brokerage and investment management. In my opinion, the commissioned brokers were not knowledgeable enough to recommend stocks. I can't blame the lack of education entirely on them for there was not enough support at the firm but also they must take responsibility for their knowledge also. Many would not study at night or read WON or anyone else as a matter of fact. The investment division was supervised by the CEO. He was the only investment manager there. I also saw a lack of management of these accounts. I am not saying commissioned or fee based brokers or RR are all "bad" but I have seen the negative aspects and the uneducated. I have also seen the greed and total waste of money. I am also sorry for your predicament and my remarks were not directed towards you in any way. I think you are one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable investor/educators. I feel fortunate to have found this group and to continue to be able to study WON with an intelligent group of people. And my recommendation to any investors is "know your broker" as the broker is suppose to "know the customer." Steff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:44 PM > Not to defend them, but being a good broker requires lots of > effort and time. I considered myself a "good" broker, even if all > my thoughts and opinions didn't prove to be correct. I still gave > it my best effort, and typically worked a 12 hour day. > > Far too many brokers are simply sales persons. That is a result > of the industry, not necessarily their personal ethics. So long > as their compensation is dependent on commissions generated, the > problem will persist. And sales persons rarely understand the > importance of service. > > When you are financially rewarded for generating a commission, > without regard or consequence to whether it proves to be in the > best interests of the client, you will have a major problem. That > is why asset managers, who take a fee based on the value of the > acct, are succeeding. If they do a good job overall of managing > the portfolio, then its value goes up and so does their > percentage based fee. > > There will always be a large number of people who simply lack the > time, knowledge or experience to manage their own portfolio. > Unfortunately, it takes the combination of both success and time > for a Registered Rep to attain the power to oppose the policy and > attitudes of his employer, and become a self determining broker. > > WON talks in HTMMIS about both his personal experience as a > broker, as well as how to find the right one for you "today" > (over 10 years ago). I find his words still current and accurate, > and worth reading again if you are not doing your own trades > online without assistance. > > One of the enlightening observations when I became a broker over > a decade ago was to discover just how few brokers were capable of > managing their own personal finances. Back then, most brokers > were on the payroll as "self employed", meaning they not only > were responsible for all the FICA and SS taxes and stuff, but > were expected to make quarterly payments of estimated taxes to > IRS. I never had done that before, but did not find it too > difficult (other than financially). But I was amazed to find that > most brokers tended to just spend their paycheck without thought > to consequences, and ended up in major debt to IRS. > > Brokers tend to be eternally optimistic, they have to be, as > their income depends directly on the trading activity of their > clients. I couldn't encourage clients to trade when I didn't feel > it was right for them, so my activity (and resulting income) was > down, and why I am not a broker today. > > Why am I not financially independent today? Lots of reasons, > including loss of income when my wife died, lack of capital to > generate gains (50% growth sounds good, but when it's on a $5,000 > account, you don't retire on it), high expenses that took years > to overcome, lack of discipline and knowledge, etc. > > Were I in a lapse of memory and intelligence to suddenly find > myself once again handling clients, I would do things > differently, mostly persuading clients to put most of their funds > into a mutual fund, with class "C" shares. That generates a > trailing commission, much like an annuity. It means living > without much of an income from funds invested now, but creating a > steady income stream for the future. And for most clients, the > stability of funds allows them to sleep comfortably at night, and > only look at their portfolio every quarter or so. > > Ultimately, it takes money to make money, and most brokers don't > have the money to start with, and don't really know what to do > with it when they have it. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jsteff > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > Just a comment about "brokers". If they are so knowledgeable and > great at > stock picking why are they still trying to sell the "next great > company" to > their clients? Shouldn't they have made their millions by now > and retired? > Steff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Worley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent thinkers, > capable > > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say the > same > > for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or their > > clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of harm's > > way. Typically we don't have an investment banking relationship > > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no bias. > > > > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain > English" > > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a "hold" as > > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did find > > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember if I > > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post it. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve F > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that > > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have > > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then > > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous > > if it were not so pitiful that many, many people > > follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also > > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. > > Surely there are some stocks that you would want to > > unload. > > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > > recommendations or suggestions from the people in this > > group to surpass anything I have ever received from > > any brokerage house. > > Steve > > > > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > > > for which the downgrade > > > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > > > which would be the > > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > > > am I, and that is what > > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > > > downgrades based on a > > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > > > plain silly. If what is > > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > > > new high, then give me > > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > > > out of a stock before it > > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > > > look right. > > > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > > > me not to wait for 8%. > > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > > > something was clearly > > > >wrong. > > > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > > > volume on a downgrade on > > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > > > triggered stops for those > > > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > > > was not forgotten days > > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > > > within 5% you would still > > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > > > at all concerned about > > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > > > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > > > upgrades). As a general > > > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > > > analysts for major brokerage > > > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > > > strong buy half way down > > > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > > > overvalued (AFTER it > > > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > > > their clients out). > > > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > > > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > > > markets this way. I once > > > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > > > days later, it was > > > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > > > stock quickly dropped > > > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > > > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > > > down was because of the > > > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > > > way that once Merrill > > > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > > > stock was down 25%, > > > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > > > then, realizing I was > > > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > > > price. I'm > > > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > > > I would have had a > > > > > >profit. > > > > > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at > > > great prices > > > > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > > or > > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" > > > or > > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW > > > Sites > > > > > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > > your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > > email. > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 24 May 2001 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Isn't there something about a handle that forms higher than the left cup brim being risky? Kent Norman --- DougC wrote: > I agree. It's a C&H. The handle is extended above > the base by about 5% I > think that's acceptable. There's definitely been > accumulation the past four > weeks. I looked at the 52 week 'weekly' chart. BPFH > has had a nice run from > 7.5 last May. Don't understand some of the fundies > data on DGO. Last > quarter had 17% earnings decrease over previous > years. It shows this > quarters earnings up 40% but doesnt show a rev. > number. Not a top tier > growth stock but the canslim numbers seem to be good > enough to jump in if > it breaks out tomorrow or early next week. That's if > you really need the > action. Personally I'd keep looking for something > better. > > At 07:06 PM 5/24/01 -0400, you wrote: > > >Seems ready to go from C&H. > >Opinions? > > > >Anna > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... Date: 25 May 2001 00:37:01 -0400 Ian, the reason the earnings per share (usually referred to also as EPS) and the EPS shown by IBD and DGO differ so sharply is likely because DG / DGO / IBD all exclude any non-recurring events. Doesn't mean they don't abide by GAAP, just that they are showing earnings solely related to continuing operations, not defined or perceived as "non recurring". As a result, DGO shows last four qtr results as 0.08, up 0%; 0.10, down 17%; 0.10, up 11%; 0.08, up 700%. Since the percentile ranking of the DG / DGO factor known as EPS is more heavily weighed on the latest two quarters, the 11% and 700% growth will obviously tend to skew the overall EPS percentile ranking, especially considering how "M" has been. The fact that making 8 cents vs 1 cent a year ago also makes for an extremely easy comparative qtr is not factored into the equation. WON based EPS (ern / sh) frequently differ sharply from other internet sites, especially free ones. Doesn't make either one wrong (typically both numbers can be found somewhere in the 10Q or 10K), just that different sites present data differently. I personally prefer the WON form of presentation, as it focuses on the business to be conducted in the future, not on some past event, or past and now discontinued line of business, that will either not be a factor in the future or will be a steadily diminishing factor. The easy way of reporting earnings by a site is simply the overall net total earnings per share. The more difficult way is to actually read through the 10Q / 10K and pick out what is recurring and what is not, that takes a research department like what DG / DGO has. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:25 PM Rick: Here are the real GAAP numbers: http://www.marketguide.com/mgi/MG.asp?nss=www&rt=highlights&rn=A2 388 Does DGO use the same 'pro-forma everything but the kitchen sink' accounting method that got Cisco into so much trouble? EMBT reminds me of EMLX at $110 - the total addressable market for their products is a fraction of their market cap. Since May 7 EMBT has had 4 distribution days on greater than average volume. It also has a classic head and shoulders pattern. Still, shorting in a bull run can be very dangerous to my health, so I'll probably pass until 'M' looks weak. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 2:45 PM > Ian, > From looking at DGO, I do not see quarterly earnings that match yours. I > see .08, .10, .10, .08 for the four qtrs ending March 31, 2001. Mar was up > 700% (.08 vs. .01). Sales look great each qtr with 74% being the lowest. > Est for 2001 EPS is +38% and 2002 is +43%. > > Not sure why you thought this was a candidate to short. There are a lot > worst stocks out there. Why are our figures different?? > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ian > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:36 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD EPS Ratings ... > > > Does anyone know how IBD comes up with their EPS ratings? Every now and then > they baffle me. A current case in point is EMBT. EMBT's current numbers are > 96 79 E A B. For the last 4 quarters, their EPS have been 0, 0.02, (0.22) > and (0.01). How on earth can trailing twelve month losses of 21 cents a > share garner them a 96 EPS rating? > > (EMBT has been a short favourite of mine for many months now) > > Ian > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 25 May 2001 00:41:30 -0400 Worse still, at least by my standards, is that too many simply perceive it as a "sales" job. A few more perceive it as a "sales and service" occupation, but rarely do any understand it as a "service and sales" profession. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:17 AM Stock brokers are trained salesmen, they are not trained analysts. Woe to the salesman that offers a recommendation that differs from the stated recommendation of the brokerage house that he works for. Read the discussion of brokerage analyst recommendations that have been posted here. It is discouraging and frightening that the people that most need the hand-holding that brokerage houses offer are subject to the shoddy treatment they recieve that is called advice. Steve --- jsteff wrote: > Yes you are right in the majority of firms and most > brokers have quotas and > so on. I guess I should've have explained my > remark. I would want my > broker to not just recommend a stock by their > analysts but also know the > company as in fundamental and technical analysis. I > honestly do not believe > many brokers do analyze their recommendations. So > yes fee based would > definitely be a better option than commission. At > the same time I would want > my broker to choose stocks to promote that he/she > has a definite knowledge > of the company and/or have included these stocks in > their own portfolios > which leads to my previous remark (be it crude and > not fair) Yeah ok > there's a little bitterness from my previous > position and the remark was > unwarranted by using the "all" word. Ok let's talk > WON. :) Sorry for the > windy replies. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Wahl" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:47 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > Analysts are actually the guys making the stock > picks, they are > > the ones upgrading and downgrading stocks. > Brokers are mainly > > salesman, and they are touting stocks to clients > that are > > recommended by the brokerage's research staff > (analysts). > > > > On 23 May 01, at 20:52, jsteff wrote: > > > > > Just a comment about "brokers". If they are so > knowledgeable and great > at > > > stock picking why are they still trying to sell > the "next great company" > to > > > their clients? Shouldn't they have made their > millions by now and > retired? > > > Steff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tom Worley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > Naturally, this group is a bunch of > independent thinkers, capable > > > > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I > could say the same > > > > for my former colleagues holding securities > licenses, or their > > > > clients. And we all try to help each other > stay out of harm's > > > > way. Typically we don't have an investment > banking relationship > > > > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no > bias. > > > > > > > > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to > their "plain English" > > > > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to > translate a "hold" as > > > > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any > price". I did find > > > > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, > don't remember if I > > > > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, > I'll post it. > > > > > > > > Tom Worley > > > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Steve F > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst > up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > I enjoy following the recommendations of > analysts that > > > > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as > they have > > > > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only > then > > > > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. > Ridiculous > > > > if it were not so pitiful that many, many > people > > > > follow these analysts and their > recommendations. Also > > > > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you > find. > > > > Surely there are some stocks that you would > want to > > > > unload. > > > > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > > > > recommendations or suggestions from the people > in this > > > > group to surpass anything I have ever received > from > > > > any brokerage house. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > > And I can give you just as many examples of > stocks > > > > > for which the downgrade > > > > > was a non-event a few days later. How could > you know > > > > > which would be the > > > > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, > neither > > > > > am I, and that is what > > > > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has > discussed, > > > > > downgrades based on a > > > > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are > just > > > > > plain silly. If what is > > > > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and > reached a > > > > > new high, then give me > > > > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the > merrier! > > > > > > > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > > > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and > should get > > > > > out of a stock before it > > > > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things > don't > > > > > look right. > > > > > > > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear > sign to > > > > > me not to wait for 8%. > > > > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high > volume, > > > > > something was clearly > > > > > >wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on > huge > > > > > volume on a downgrade on > > > > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would > not have > > > > > triggered stops for those > > > > > >who bought at the right time. But this > downgrade > > > > > was not forgotten days > > > > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base > and shows > > > > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > > > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of > capital > > > > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst > up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught > the pivot > > > > > within 5% you would still > > > > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? > I am not > > > > > at all concerned about > > > > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too > much) > > > > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within > 2 days > > > > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I > got > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. Too much? Date: 25 May 2001 00:59:00 -0400 Hi Rick, The discipline I eventually evolved, and posted exubertently on several years ago, combined using CANSLIM rules to find stocks for my watch list, then applying MACD for better timing of my entry, hold and sell decision making. Took more time and discipline than I have been able to apply consistently, certainly since I discovered it. But I have not forgotten it, and hope to eventually see my workload slow to where I can apply it diligently for several years and see if it works in all market conditions. For the limited time I was able to follow my discipline, it appears to improve my odds considerably and greatly sharpen my entry and exit points in particular. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:49 PM I have never seen a system that uses MACD or other similar indicator that has been successful in creating consistent profits. In other words, sometimes it confirms, other times it doesn't. If it make you feel more comfortable in your decisions then it is a help. But don't depend on them. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Triffet Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:21 PM I don't disagree with you about them being important. I'm just now (after 3 years) starting to look at MACD as a secondary indicator of a breakout or sell point. I would assume a good canslim breakout should confirm those indicators and vice versa. I just wanted the newer folks to realize it is not a primary indicator for canslim. If your new, it can cloud your efforts. Perhaps a revised O'Neil book will cover these and other tools for the "new" computer age. It was only brought up because 3-4 years ago there was similar threads covering additional indicators of which I couldn't find them in WON's material. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:41 PM > > > Bill Triffet wrote: > > > >From time to time I see posts here refering to additional technical > > indicators. I think these are great additional tools for the advanced folks > > and those with extra time to learn to incorporate them correctly. They might > > include the MACD and Stochastic indicators as a sample. I just want to say > > that these are not covered in HTMMIS and not somthing one needs to get too > > concerned about. I'm not saying we should not discuss these tools but I felt > > It sounds like you are equating oneil's not covering them to them being > unimportant! I view a few select ones as as essential as headlights at night: > dangerous without them. > > > > > > it needed to be explained to some of the newer folks here. > > I've been following canslim for 3 years now and have found there are enough > > tools for stock selection and selling that you can keep it simple. > > > > -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. Date: 25 May 2001 01:04:15 -0400 Actually, I suspect that there were too many who knew in advance they had a productive well being drilled in OK, finally announced this week. Sounds like a rich field they have tapped into. And they expect to have this new well in production in a matter of weeks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:35 PM ROYL is a very impressive pick. So congratulations. Just took a quick look at the chart on DGO. I'd have to say I would have not interpreted the recent run as a 'classic climax'. ROYL has a PE of only 16. It's got ADV of only 62K with a float of only 2.3 mil. And a market cap of under 100mil. That is definitely small cap territory. I don't have years of experience with this but I'd say that the recent rapid runup was due to the small float and ADV and extremely strong earnings growth momemtum. I would have been willing to let it drop 20% from the high of around 20 bucks before unloading it. At 12:22 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >Sold my position of ROYL. Looking back one can see a classic climax run. I >should have took profits yesterday but oh well. My best one for the year. > >-Bill > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Longer handles (was IGT) Date: 24 May 2001 23:09:47 -0600 Thanks Dave for taking the time to go through the details on these. I couldnt check out MASX and EQNX. They must have been merged or something because when I tried to look them up on stockcharts.com they werent there. Did look at FDO. Interesting chart pattern. I see the cup for the month of August then it looks, to me anyway, like there was a fairly flat handle for the first two weeks of Sept. Then the stock tried to break out but hit resistance at 25. I call the price move from middle of Sept to last week of sept, when it hit 25, a breakout attempt. Not a handle. Over the next six weeks it broke down into the base of the cup that formed in august. That's what bases are for. I've read that some intermediate traders would have held even if the price hit the low of the cup. Others sell if the B/O breaks down past the high of the right side of the cup. It did make it through all that and took off from there in Nov for a nice run. I don't want you to think I'm spending all my time looking for the perfect C&H. I'm not I can assure you. My approach is to screen for fundies first. When I find what I think is a stock with excellent fundies I check out the chart. then I start looking at it's price/volume action, depth of any correction, etc. TRR, CNTL, IGT, USPH are stocks I recently got into based on the fundies first, then chart patterns. And I do wait for the markets. Been mostly out until middle of April. I don't really believe there is a template for a C&H or any other basing pattern. That's pretty obvious since I was willing to accept the chart patterns of the above stocks as being going enough to get in early anticipating breakouts. (Yes I bend the rules - I'm not a canslim purist) Now the big question is...how and when do I get out??? At 06:59 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >Wow - what a discussion. > >All right, I waited until I got home to go over some previous buys. > >Example 1 (8 week handle): > MASX. The stock spiked on high volume in mid May of 1996 >following a run up from 11 to 38 in 2 mos. From mid May to the >start of September (14 weeks or so), it formed a cup -correcting to >23 at the lowest (except for a spike). The handle started in early >September and lasted for 8 weeks. Around the end of Oct was a >breakout to 40 on high volume. 8 weeks later, the stock was at 69. > >Example 2 (9 week handle): > EQNX. The stock ran up from 11 in Sept 1997 to 19 in Nov 97. It >formed what I considered to be a cup through about Jan 9, 1998 - with >a low of 14.50 on high volume. The handle lasted until March 8 or >so in 1998 - breaking out above 20 on high volume. It went up to 26 >in the next couple of months. This isn't exactly a classic cup in the >handle went up before drifting down. > >Example 3 (11 week handle): > FDO. The stock ran up from 17 in June '97 to 23.50 in late July >'97 (not much of a run-up, but...). The cup's low point was 19-5/8 >or so - the handle started in late August - ran until a spike up >around the end of October brought it to 25+. The stock was at 40 6 >mos. later. > >Sorry that the examples are a little old, but as I mentioned earlier, >I haven't had any successes with these patterns in a while - and I >only keep records on stocks I traded. > >Dave > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > Thanks for going into more detail. Could you give an example or two > > of a stock with a 12 week handle as you are describing it? > > > > I agree some stocks do move up too fast, don't spend adequate time > > digesting gains, have further appreciation and PE expansion, get > > extended above 50dma then become vulnerable for a steep selloff. > > Present examples might be TRR and USPH. So far IGT, even with its > > short base, doesnt seem to be getting too far ahead of itself. It's > > PE > > is 23 wheras the other two have PE's of 48. The > > action of its price over the past three days I think is very > > constructive. > > > > > > > > At 10:27 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >Doug, > > > > > >Not sure. By that I mean that I read HTMMIS about 8 years ago. > > It > > >turns out that I have either misunderstood WON on a number of > > things > > >or had different interpretations. OTOH, I've been dead on with > > some > > >others. Since then, I've re-read, but more for selling rules, > > which > > >is where I have larger problems. > > > > > >Anyway... in this case, your definition sounds plausible. And, > > >maybe, there's something big I'm missing here. Generally, the > > >proportion of my buys that are C&H formations are pretty small - > > so > > >its not a big issue. I'm not sure if that's because of > > infrequency > > >of the formation, or just because I'm not defining it correctly. > > > > > >I guess its subjective in that to me - looking at IGT - at a first > > >look, its moved up too fast - and there hasn't been enough time to > > >digest the gains. You've got me thinking, and I could be way off > > on > > >this. > > > > > >To your other point, though, the longer handled formations tend to > > >work for me. Looking at some charts of stocks I've done well > > with, > > >a 12-week "handle" seems ideal. Longer than that (unlike with a > > >classic base) usually doesn't work - but then again, if the handle > > >lasts longer than 12-weeks, there's usually no breakout. It also > > >depends on how much the stock has advanced and how quickly. If a > > >stock traded between 20-30 for a year, then advanced to 40-45 in > > two > > >months with a C&H formation with a high of 45, and the base of the > > >cup at 35 - then I can live with a shorter handle. OTOH, if a > > stock > > >traded around 15 for a while, then advanced to 55 in 3 mos - then > > >forms that pattern - it needs more time to digest. > > > > > >On IGT - its in between. It traded below 30 for quite a while, > > then > > >went from 30 to 55 in 6 mos. - a good healthy growth rate. Then > > for > > >about 9 or 10 weeks, digested its gains, as you've pointed out. > > The > > >breakout to 60+ was on good volume. The bottom of the cup isn't > > at > > >highest volume - but it wasn't too long before the bottom. > > > > > >As I mentioned, you are probably more in line with pure CANSLIM - > > but > > >since you asked - I'm going off my experience on > > success/non-success. > > > Everyone sees this a little differently. I'm not sure why the > > >12-week "handle" gives me my biggest successes. > > > > > > > > >Does that help? > > > > > >Dave > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > I don't want to beat this to death but I'm just puzzled how > > you're > > > > coming up with your basing definitions. If whatever they are > > works > > > > for you that's fine. But I have to say I also disagree with > > your > > > > definition of a handle. From what I understand of CANSLIM or > > WON's > > > > or even some variations I've seen...the shorter the handle the > > > > better > > > > with a 1 to 2 week minimum. Personally I consider the three > > week > > > > handle of IGT a little long in proportion to the base. Would > > have > > > > liked > > > > to see it no longer than 2 weeks. But it was a very tight > > handle > > > > and > > > > was using the 50dma as support so so far it's worked out. > > Whether > > > > a basing pattern is c&H, or flat or double bottom is just a > > > > desciption > > > > of general price behavior. Bottom line is that if a stock like > > IGT > > > > has > > > > strong upward trending momentum like it had up to 03/07 then > > > > corrects > > > > with the market for a period of time it helps consolidate the > > stock > > > > into > > > > strong hands for further movement up through new 52 week highs. > > > > > > > > At 08:49 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >You are no doubt correct. I guess, without thinking about > > it, > > > > >technically I'd want the handle to be longer. I've mentally > > > > defined > > > > >the base as where the cup ends and the handle starts. This > > seems > > > > to > > > > >be in conflict with how WON defines it. > > > > > > > > > >So... if I use WON's terminology: > > > > >1. On a flat base I want to see at least 8 weeks. > > > > >2. On a handle I want to see at least 6 weeks. > > > > > > > > > >Not to say that IGT won't work - I hope it does. But... > > that's > > > > my > > > > >take on it. > > > > > > > > > >Good catch, > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > > > You don't consider the 7 week cup starting 03/07 a base? > > Have > > > > > > you read p152 of HTMMIS. 'One of the most fundamental > > > > chart-base > > > > > > price > > > > > > patterns looks like a cup with a handle when the outline of > > a > > > > cup > > > > > > is viewed > > > > > > from the side. Cup patterns last, in time duration, from 7 > > to > > > > as > > > > > > many as 65 > > > > > > weeks. > > > > > > The usual percentage correction from the absolute peak to > > the > > > > low > > > > > > point of > > > > > > the price pattern varies from 12 to 15% to 33%.' The depth > > of > > > > IGT > > > > > > cup is around > > > > > > 17%. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 07:05 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > >I guess we differ on what we consider to be a base. I > > can > > > > see > > > > > > and > > > > > > >understand the way you are looking at it. For me, the > > base > > > > starts > > > > > > >where you indicate the handle starts. Guess its all in > > the > > > > eye of > > > > > > >the beholder.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm not sure I understand your point. I count the base > > of > > > > IGT > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > having a duration of 10 weeks. The left side of the cup > > > > started > > > > > > > > on 03/07. The cup 7 weeks and the handle 3 weeks. It's > > > > short > > > > > > > > but it is a base in a strongly uptrending stock with > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > numbers. And I believe it's > > > > > > > > breakout point of 57 should provide good support if > > tested. > > > > > > > > 60 might even be good support. And any price between 57 > > > > > > > > and 60 could provide a possible second chance entry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 05:42 PM 5/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >Just my take on IGT (since it does have CANSLIM > > > > > > characteristics): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If I owned it, I'd hold on. If I didn't (which I > > don't), > > > > I > > > > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > > >be a buyer. IMHO, it is pretty far removed from its > > last > > > > > > base. > > >=== message truncated === > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions Date: 25 May 2001 01:09:42 -0400 you've always got me, Dave. Come on, post a stock or two and let me bash it! Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:20 PM I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - is because I finally believe that M is favorable. Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 25 May 2001 01:14:18 -0400 Historically, from my experience, medical stocks have not proven to be good leadership. Biotechs have done a little better, but only relatively. Forget REITs, regional banks, and similar S&Ls, they may be opportunistic, but they are not leaders. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:00 AM more on the subject, Same issue. "Leading stocks move in packs. When you see a few companies making bullish moves, look for related stocks to follow. The table of 52-Week Highs & Lows in the print edition is sorted by sectors with the most new highs for that very reason. Real estate investment trusts, regional banks and savings and loans have clogged the top of the list in recent weeks. They're benefiting from the Fed's rate cuts. But they're not typically areas where you find big winning stocks. Look a little farther down the list and you'll see the computer, medical and retail sectors. They have a better track record of generating market leaders." -------- --- Kent Norman wrote: > As the group knows, I have been searching for clues > as > to the new leading group. Perhaps this note from > Friday's IBD is a hint? What do you folks think? > > "Thursday's Stocks: A number of medical stocks have > taken leading roles in the past few weeks. Biotechs > moved up for a second day." > > Thanks > Kent Norman > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Longer handles (was IGT) Date: 25 May 2001 06:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Doug, Sorry I couldn't dig out more recent examples. I have hard copies of the MASX and EQNX charts - because I printed them off from DGO once I bought - and when I sold. I figure the key here is to make money; not to adhere specifically to O'Neil's definitions. You've convinced me that your interpretation of the C&H is more in line with how O'Neil defines it than mine is. And, to be honest, I've never really thought about it. In each of the three examples I gave, I made money. In the case of FDO, it was 66% in 6 months. I'm not trying to sound harsh; I'm enjoying this interchange. I'm learning from it. As I indicated, there are certain patterns which have done well for me, and certain which have not. You don't consider FDO to be a pure C&H, and maybe you wouldn't consider MASX or EQNX to have them either. Maybe I "prefer" to consider them a C&H - because they look similar and have worked for me. Regardless, in each of the examples, both my perceived cup and perceived handle are longer than IGT's. The price action for IGT is still holding and behaving well. Intuitively, I still think the "consolidation period" is too short. But... if we all thought the same way, then there wouldn't be enough variation for price movements! Conversely, can you show me an example of a C&H with a short handle that has worked well? Thanks, Dave --- DougC wrote: > Thanks Dave for taking the time to go through the details on these. > I couldnt check out MASX and EQNX. They must have been > merged or something because when I tried to look them up on > stockcharts.com > they werent there. > > Did look at FDO. Interesting chart pattern. I see the cup for the > month > of August then it looks, to me anyway, like there was a fairly flat > handle for > the first two weeks of Sept. Then the stock tried to break out but > hit > resistance > at 25. I call the price move from middle of Sept to last week of > sept, when > it hit > 25, a breakout > attempt. Not a handle. Over the next six weeks it broke down into > the base of > the cup that formed > in august. That's what bases are for. I've read that some > intermediate traders > would have held even if the price hit the low of the cup. Others > sell if > the B/O > breaks down past the high of the right side of the cup. It did make > it > through all > that and took off from there in Nov for a nice run. > > I don't want you to think I'm spending all my time looking for the > perfect C&H. > I'm not I can assure you. My approach is to screen for fundies > first. When > I find what > I think is a stock with excellent fundies I check out the chart. > then I > start looking > at it's price/volume action, depth of any correction, etc. TRR, > CNTL, IGT, USPH > are stocks I recently got into based on the fundies first, then > chart patterns. > And I do wait for the markets. Been mostly out until middle of > April. > I don't really believe > there is a template for a C&H or any other basing pattern. That's > pretty > obvious > since I was willing to accept the chart patterns of the above > stocks as being > going enough to get in early anticipating breakouts. (Yes I bend > the rules - > I'm not a canslim purist) > > Now the big question is...how and when do I get out??? > > > At 06:59 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Wow - what a discussion. > > > >All right, I waited until I got home to go over some previous > buys. > > > >Example 1 (8 week handle): > > MASX. The stock spiked on high volume in mid May of 1996 > >following a run up from 11 to 38 in 2 mos. From mid May to the > >start of September (14 weeks or so), it formed a cup -correcting > to > >23 at the lowest (except for a spike). The handle started in > early > >September and lasted for 8 weeks. Around the end of Oct was a > >breakout to 40 on high volume. 8 weeks later, the stock was at > 69. > > > >Example 2 (9 week handle): > > EQNX. The stock ran up from 11 in Sept 1997 to 19 in Nov 97. > It > >formed what I considered to be a cup through about Jan 9, 1998 - > with > >a low of 14.50 on high volume. The handle lasted until March 8 > or > >so in 1998 - breaking out above 20 on high volume. It went up to > 26 > >in the next couple of months. This isn't exactly a classic cup in > the > >handle went up before drifting down. > > > >Example 3 (11 week handle): > > FDO. The stock ran up from 17 in June '97 to 23.50 in late > July > >'97 (not much of a run-up, but...). The cup's low point was > 19-5/8 > >or so - the handle started in late August - ran until a spike up > >around the end of October brought it to 25+. The stock was at 40 > 6 > >mos. later. > > > >Sorry that the examples are a little old, but as I mentioned > earlier, > >I haven't had any successes with these patterns in a while - and I > >only keep records on stocks I traded. > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > Thanks for going into more detail. Could you give an example or > two > > > of a stock with a 12 week handle as you are describing it? > > > > > > I agree some stocks do move up too fast, don't spend adequate > time > > > digesting gains, have further appreciation and PE expansion, > get > > > extended above 50dma then become vulnerable for a steep > selloff. > > > Present examples might be TRR and USPH. So far IGT, even with > its > > > short base, doesnt seem to be getting too far ahead of itself. > It's > > > PE > > > is 23 wheras the other two have PE's of 48. The > > > action of its price over the past three days I think is very > > > constructive. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:27 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Doug, > > > > > > > >Not sure. By that I mean that I read HTMMIS about 8 years > ago. > > > It > > > >turns out that I have either misunderstood WON on a number of > > > things > > > >or had different interpretations. OTOH, I've been dead on > with > > > some > > > >others. Since then, I've re-read, but more for selling > rules, > > > which > > > >is where I have larger problems. > > > > > > > >Anyway... in this case, your definition sounds plausible. > And, > > > >maybe, there's something big I'm missing here. Generally, > the > > > >proportion of my buys that are C&H formations are pretty small > - > > > so > > > >its not a big issue. I'm not sure if that's because of > > > infrequency > > > >of the formation, or just because I'm not defining it > correctly. > > > > > > > >I guess its subjective in that to me - looking at IGT - at a > first > > > >look, its moved up too fast - and there hasn't been enough > time to > > > >digest the gains. You've got me thinking, and I could be way > off > > > on > > > >this. > > > > > > > >To your other point, though, the longer handled formations > tend to > > > >work for me. Looking at some charts of stocks I've done well > > > with, > > > >a 12-week "handle" seems ideal. Longer than that (unlike with > a > > > >classic base) usually doesn't work - but then again, if the > handle > > > >lasts longer than 12-weeks, there's usually no breakout. It > also > > > >depends on how much the stock has advanced and how quickly. > If a > > > >stock traded between 20-30 for a year, then advanced to 40-45 > in > > > two > > > >months with a C&H formation with a high of 45, and the base of > the > > > >cup at 35 - then I can live with a shorter handle. OTOH, if a > > > stock > > > >traded around 15 for a while, then advanced to 55 in 3 mos - > then > > > >forms that pattern - it needs more time to digest. > > > > > > > >On IGT - its in between. It traded below 30 for quite a > while, > > > then > > > >went from 30 to 55 in 6 mos. - a good healthy growth rate. > Then > > > for > > > >about 9 or 10 weeks, digested its gains, as you've pointed > out. > > > The > > > >breakout to 60+ was on good volume. The bottom of the cup > isn't > > > at > === message truncated === ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sisyphus" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Longer handles (was IGT) Date: 25 May 2001 06:38:58 -0700 Okay, I give up...What does "DGO" refer to? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Longer handles (was IGT) Date: 25 May 2001 06:46:39 -0700 Daily Graphs Online.......don't worry; your'e not the first to post the Q. Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:38 AM > Okay, I give up...What does "DGO" refer to? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sisyphus" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Longer handles (was IGT) Date: 25 May 2001 06:54:53 -0700 Ah...gotcha. Thanks. Thought about trying them, but for now I'm quite= satisfied with my end-of-day data service. John *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/25/2001 at 6:46 AM Perry Stanfield wrote: >Daily Graphs Online.......don't worry; your'e not the first to post the Q. > >Perry > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sisyphus" >To: >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:38 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Longer handles (was IGT) > > >> Okay, I give up...What does "DGO" refer to? >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. I - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions Date: 25 May 2001 09:22:56 -0600 Yes, Dave, I've noticed your name starting to pop up quite a bit again, more like the last bull. I know some of the group have done well this year, but count me in with you in the loss column. At this point, I've only sold 1 stock for a profit this year so far, with too many to count losses. I am doing better since April, but I still have many stocks that have knocked me back out, and I seem to get stopped out everytime I get fully invested. I have been running around -10% to -12% for the year so far, and have improved that a little the last few weeks, but I'm still far from even. (Of course the 3 most recent analyst actions hurt, Giving up all my gains on CHIC and getting stopped out of COCO and RYL) Fortunately, I also had a good year in 2000 with a strong first quarter and a couple of good stocks helping me offset my many losers for the rest of the year. If I could just get through a couple of weeks without an analyst downgrade, maybe I could get back close to even for 2001! At 08:20 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main >reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and >actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - is >because I finally believe that M is favorable. > >As I pointed out earlier, I have put money in the market several >times this year - only to come out with less than I went in with. >I wiped out my year 2000 gains and then some. In each case, maybe >it was hopeful thinking. For some reason, I have noticed quite a >few more uptrends on stocks lately - and maybe I'm starting to feel >in the back of my mind that we've turned around. > >Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SKutney@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. Too much? Date: 25 May 2001 11:33:27 EDT --part1_fe.6d18ed8.283fd547_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to agree with you. I've been following this list for at least 2 years. IBD recently had an Investors Corner article on this issue. It's not that the MACD, RSI or other indicators don't work. They are really just a redefinition of moving averages. I used to look at them but today I never look at them. Pure technical analysis is simple and defines a point of entry. Dailygraphs doesn't offer the MACD or any of the others. I think that's a hint. If you use MACD or other method I think your going to have more problems with the 7% loss rule. Steve --part1_fe.6d18ed8.283fd547_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to agree with you. I've been following this list for at least 2 years.
IBD recently had an Investors Corner article on this issue. It's not that the
MACD, RSI or other indicators don't work. They are really just a redefinition
of moving averages. I used to look at them but today I never look at them.
Pure technical analysis is simple and defines a point of entry. Dailygraphs
doesn't offer the MACD or any of the others. I think that's a hint. If you
use MACD or other method I think your going to have more problems with the 7%
loss rule.

Steve --part1_fe.6d18ed8.283fd547_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions Date: 25 May 2001 12:03:41 -0400 I am in the same boat. I admit that some of my losses were encountered due to inexperience (This is my second year of investing/trading and as we know, the most of last year we were mostly out of the market - at least I was :) Downgrades did not help either. Oh, and having that builder to buy another one... Ouch. Also, as David and others pointed out, stocks are testing their pivot points much more than before, so I find it difficult to hang onto them (esp. if I do not catch them right at pivot). However, I am also of the opinion that M has turned and am contuning to buy breakouts. Though it is becoming more and more frustrating.. Thank you for sharing your thoughts - I thought I was the only one left in the negative column. Anna esetser @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 11:22:56 AM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Yes, Dave, I've noticed your name starting to pop up quite a bit again, more like the last bull. I know some of the group have done well this year, but count me in with you in the loss column. At this point, I've only sold 1 stock for a profit this year so far, with too many to count losses. I am doing better since April, but I still have many stocks that have knocked me back out, and I seem to get stopped out everytime I get fully invested. I have been running around -10% to -12% for the year so far, and have improved that a little the last few weeks, but I'm still far from even. (Of course the 3 most recent analyst actions hurt, Giving up all my gains on CHIC and getting stopped out of COCO and RYL) Fortunately, I also had a good year in 2000 with a strong first quarter and a couple of good stocks helping me offset my many losers for the rest of the year. If I could just get through a couple of weeks without an analyst downgrade, maybe I could get back close to even for 2001! At 08:20 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main >reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and >actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - is >because I finally believe that M is favorable. > >As I pointed out earlier, I have put money in the market several >times this year - only to come out with less than I went in with. >I wiped out my year 2000 gains and then some. In each case, maybe >it was hopeful thinking. For some reason, I have noticed quite a >few more uptrends on stocks lately - and maybe I'm starting to feel >in the back of my mind that we've turned around. > >Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Longer handles (was IGT) Date: 25 May 2001 10:21:16 -0600 Dave I'm learning too. In my last e-mail I did state that I'm not a canslim purist nor a fanatic of template C&H. I gave some symbols of stocks that I've recently bought that I loosely interpreted as C&H. TRR,USPH, CNTL, IGT Yes Making money is the bottom line. At 06:26 AM 5/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >Doug, > >Sorry I couldn't dig out more recent examples. I have hard copies >of the MASX and EQNX charts - because I printed them off from DGO >once I bought - and when I sold. > >I figure the key here is to make money; not to adhere specifically to >O'Neil's definitions. You've convinced me that your interpretation >of the C&H is more in line with how O'Neil defines it than mine is. >And, to be honest, I've never really thought about it. In each of >the three examples I gave, I made money. In the case of FDO, it was >66% in 6 months. > >I'm not trying to sound harsh; I'm enjoying this interchange. I'm >learning from it. As I indicated, there are certain patterns which >have done well for me, and certain which have not. You don't >consider FDO to be a pure C&H, and maybe you wouldn't consider MASX >or EQNX to have them either. Maybe I "prefer" to consider them a >C&H - because they look similar and have worked for me. > >Regardless, in each of the examples, both my perceived cup and >perceived handle are longer than IGT's. The price action for IGT is >still holding and behaving well. Intuitively, I still think the >"consolidation period" is too short. But... if we all thought the >same way, then there wouldn't be enough variation for price >movements! > >Conversely, can you show me an example of a C&H with a short handle >that has worked well? > >Thanks, > >Dave > >--- DougC wrote: > > Thanks Dave for taking the time to go through the details on these. > > I couldnt check out MASX and EQNX. They must have been > > merged or something because when I tried to look them up on > > stockcharts.com > > they werent there. > > > > Did look at FDO. Interesting chart pattern. I see the cup for the > > month > > of August then it looks, to me anyway, like there was a fairly flat > > handle for > > the first two weeks of Sept. Then the stock tried to break out but > > hit > > resistance > > at 25. I call the price move from middle of Sept to last week of > > sept, when > > it hit > > 25, a breakout > > attempt. Not a handle. Over the next six weeks it broke down into > > the base of > > the cup that formed > > in august. That's what bases are for. I've read that some > > intermediate traders > > would have held even if the price hit the low of the cup. Others > > sell if > > the B/O > > breaks down past the high of the right side of the cup. It did make > > it > > through all > > that and took off from there in Nov for a nice run. > > > > I don't want you to think I'm spending all my time looking for the > > perfect C&H. > > I'm not I can assure you. My approach is to screen for fundies > > first. When > > I find what > > I think is a stock with excellent fundies I check out the chart. > > then I > > start looking > > at it's price/volume action, depth of any correction, etc. TRR, > > CNTL, IGT, USPH > > are stocks I recently got into based on the fundies first, then > > chart patterns. > > And I do wait for the markets. Been mostly out until middle of > > April. > > I don't really believe > > there is a template for a C&H or any other basing pattern. That's > > pretty > > obvious > > since I was willing to accept the chart patterns of the above > > stocks as being > > going enough to get in early anticipating breakouts. (Yes I bend > > the rules - > > I'm not a canslim purist) > > > > Now the big question is...how and when do I get out??? > > > > > > At 06:59 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >Wow - what a discussion. > > > > > >All right, I waited until I got home to go over some previous > > buys. > > > > > >Example 1 (8 week handle): > > > MASX. The stock spiked on high volume in mid May of 1996 > > >following a run up from 11 to 38 in 2 mos. From mid May to the > > >start of September (14 weeks or so), it formed a cup -correcting > > to > > >23 at the lowest (except for a spike). The handle started in > > early > > >September and lasted for 8 weeks. Around the end of Oct was a > > >breakout to 40 on high volume. 8 weeks later, the stock was at > > 69. > > > > > >Example 2 (9 week handle): > > > EQNX. The stock ran up from 11 in Sept 1997 to 19 in Nov 97. > > It > > >formed what I considered to be a cup through about Jan 9, 1998 - > > with > > >a low of 14.50 on high volume. The handle lasted until March 8 > > or > > >so in 1998 - breaking out above 20 on high volume. It went up to > > 26 > > >in the next couple of months. This isn't exactly a classic cup in > > the > > >handle went up before drifting down. > > > > > >Example 3 (11 week handle): > > > FDO. The stock ran up from 17 in June '97 to 23.50 in late > > July > > >'97 (not much of a run-up, but...). The cup's low point was > > 19-5/8 > > >or so - the handle started in late August - ran until a spike up > > >around the end of October brought it to 25+. The stock was at 40 > > 6 > > >mos. later. > > > > > >Sorry that the examples are a little old, but as I mentioned > > earlier, > > >I haven't had any successes with these patterns in a while - and I > > >only keep records on stocks I traded. > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > Thanks for going into more detail. Could you give an example or > > two > > > > of a stock with a 12 week handle as you are describing it? > > > > > > > > I agree some stocks do move up too fast, don't spend adequate > > time > > > > digesting gains, have further appreciation and PE expansion, > > get > > > > extended above 50dma then become vulnerable for a steep > > selloff. > > > > Present examples might be TRR and USPH. So far IGT, even with > > its > > > > short base, doesnt seem to be getting too far ahead of itself. > > It's > > > > PE > > > > is 23 wheras the other two have PE's of 48. The > > > > action of its price over the past three days I think is very > > > > constructive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 10:27 AM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >Doug, > > > > > > > > > >Not sure. By that I mean that I read HTMMIS about 8 years > > ago. > > > > It > > > > >turns out that I have either misunderstood WON on a number of > > > > things > > > > >or had different interpretations. OTOH, I've been dead on > > with > > > > some > > > > >others. Since then, I've re-read, but more for selling > > rules, > > > > which > > > > >is where I have larger problems. > > > > > > > > > >Anyway... in this case, your definition sounds plausible. > > And, > > > > >maybe, there's something big I'm missing here. Generally, > > the > > > > >proportion of my buys that are C&H formations are pretty small > > - > > > > so > > > > >its not a big issue. I'm not sure if that's because of > > > > infrequency > > > > >of the formation, or just because I'm not defining it > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > >I guess its subjective in that to me - looking at IGT - at a > > first > > > > >look, its moved up too fast - and there hasn't been enough > > time to > > > > >digest the gains. You've got me thinking, and I could be way > > off > > > > on > > > > >this. > > > > > > > > > >To your other point, though, the longer handled formations > > tend to > > > > >work for me. Looking at some charts of stocks I've done well > > > > with, > > > > >a 12-week "handle" seems ideal. Longer than that (unlike with > > a > > > > >classic base) usually doesn't work - but then again, if the > > handle > > > > >lasts longer than 12-weeks, there's usually no breakout. It > > also > > > > >depends on how much the stock has advanced and how quickly. > > If a > > > > >stock traded between 20-30 for a year, then advanced to 40-45 > > in > > > > two > > > > >months with a C&H formation with a high of 45, and the base of > > the > > > > >cup at 35 - then I can live with a shorter handle. OTOH, if a > > > > stock > > > > >traded around 15 for a while, then advanced to 55 in 3 mos - > > then > > > > >forms that pattern - it needs more time to digest. > > > > > > > > > >On IGT - its in between. It traded below 30 for quite a > > while, > > > > then > > > > >went from 30 to 55 in 6 mos. - a good healthy growth rate. > > Then > > > > for > > > > >about 9 or 10 weeks, digested its gains, as you've pointed > > out. > > > > The > > > > >breakout to 60+ was on good volume. The bottom of the cup > > isn't > > > > at > > >=== message truncated === > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 25 May 2001 12:34:41 -0400 Yes, and it is breaking out now. I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group, but looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good group to pick up. Anna Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/24/2001 10:49:18 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Anna, Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little unconventional. But... here goes: 1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it seems to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher price than the first and on higher volume. 2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't broken out yet. Right? Dave --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > Seems ready to go from C&H. > Opinions? > > Anna > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions Date: 25 May 2001 09:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Anna, Yes... is it good to know. Something along the lines of retaining a level of confidence. Some of my losses are due to impatience. I have been investing since 1992. I've managed to make money in flat years - and I even made money in 2000 - since the first 5 months were good enough to offset the losses in the next month or two. It wasn't until January where I really tried to get back in - and just got too impatient. I've realized that even 9 years at this isn't enough to meet enough different circumstances to handle them all. Maybe given Tom Worley's recent track record, 40 years is! Dave --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > I am in the same boat. > > I admit that some of my losses were encountered due to inexperience > (This > is my second year of investing/trading and as we know, the most of > last > year we were mostly out of the market - at least I was :) > Downgrades did > not help either. Oh, and having that builder to buy another > one... Ouch. > Also, as David and others pointed out, stocks are testing their > pivot > points much more than before, so I find it difficult to hang onto > them > (esp. if I do not catch them right at pivot). > > However, I am also of the opinion that M has turned and am > contuning to buy > breakouts. Though it is becoming more and more frustrating.. > Thank you for sharing your thoughts - I thought I was the only one > left in > the negative column. > > Anna > > > > esetser @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 > 11:22:56 AM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions > > > Yes, Dave, I've noticed your name starting to pop up quite a bit > again, > more like the last bull. I know some of the group have done well > this > year, but count me in with you in the loss column. At this point, > I've > only sold 1 stock for a profit this year so far, with too many to > count > losses. I am doing better since April, but I still have many > stocks that > have knocked me back out, and I seem to get stopped out everytime I > get > fully invested. I have been running around -10% to -12% for the > year so > far, and have improved that a little the last few weeks, but I'm > still far > from even. (Of course the 3 most recent analyst actions hurt, > Giving up > all my gains on CHIC and getting stopped out of COCO and RYL) > Fortunately, > I also had a good year in 2000 with a strong first quarter and a > couple of > good stocks helping me offset my many losers for the rest of the > year. > > If I could just get through a couple of weeks without an analyst > downgrade, > maybe I could get back close to even for 2001! > > At 08:20 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main > >reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and > >actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - is > >because I finally believe that M is favorable. > > > >As I pointed out earlier, I have put money in the market several > >times this year - only to come out with less than I went in with. > >I wiped out my year 2000 gains and then some. In each case, > maybe > >it was hopeful thinking. For some reason, I have noticed quite a > >few more uptrends on stocks lately - and maybe I'm starting to > feel > >in the back of my mind that we've turned around. > > > >Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] dian, mss? Date: 25 May 2001 12:43:36 EDT --part1_aa.1609080f.283fe5b8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what your opinion on these two stocks and what does anyone think about the IBD advance workshop? jan --part1_aa.1609080f.283fe5b8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what your opinion on these two stocks and what does anyone think about the
IBD advance workshop? jan --part1_aa.1609080f.283fe5b8_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Longer handles (was IGT) Date: 25 May 2001 09:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Doug, Thanks... I see it for USPH, CNTL. Not sure where you are looking for TRR. Can you help? Dave --- DougC wrote: > Dave > > I'm learning too. > In my last e-mail I did state that I'm not a canslim purist nor a > fanatic of template C&H. I gave some symbols of stocks that > I've recently bought that I loosely interpreted as C&H. > TRR,USPH, CNTL, IGT > Yes Making money is the bottom line. > > > At 06:26 AM 5/25/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Doug, > > > >Sorry I couldn't dig out more recent examples. I have hard > copies > >of the MASX and EQNX charts - because I printed them off from DGO > >once I bought - and when I sold. > > > >I figure the key here is to make money; not to adhere specifically > to > >O'Neil's definitions. You've convinced me that your > interpretation > >of the C&H is more in line with how O'Neil defines it than mine > is. > >And, to be honest, I've never really thought about it. In each > of > >the three examples I gave, I made money. In the case of FDO, it > was > >66% in 6 months. > > > >I'm not trying to sound harsh; I'm enjoying this interchange. > I'm > >learning from it. As I indicated, there are certain patterns > which > >have done well for me, and certain which have not. You don't > >consider FDO to be a pure C&H, and maybe you wouldn't consider > MASX > >or EQNX to have them either. Maybe I "prefer" to consider them a > >C&H - because they look similar and have worked for me. > > > >Regardless, in each of the examples, both my perceived cup and > >perceived handle are longer than IGT's. The price action for IGT > is > >still holding and behaving well. Intuitively, I still think the > >"consolidation period" is too short. But... if we all thought > the > >same way, then there wouldn't be enough variation for price > >movements! > > > >Conversely, can you show me an example of a C&H with a short > handle > >that has worked well? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Dave > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > Thanks Dave for taking the time to go through the details on > these. > > > I couldnt check out MASX and EQNX. They must have been > > > merged or something because when I tried to look them up on > > > stockcharts.com > > > they werent there. > > > > > > Did look at FDO. Interesting chart pattern. I see the cup for > the > > > month > > > of August then it looks, to me anyway, like there was a fairly > flat > > > handle for > > > the first two weeks of Sept. Then the stock tried to break out > but > > > hit > > > resistance > > > at 25. I call the price move from middle of Sept to last week > of > > > sept, when > > > it hit > > > 25, a breakout > > > attempt. Not a handle. Over the next six weeks it broke down > into > > > the base of > > > the cup that formed > > > in august. That's what bases are for. I've read that some > > > intermediate traders > > > would have held even if the price hit the low of the cup. > Others > > > sell if > > > the B/O > > > breaks down past the high of the right side of the cup. It did > make > > > it > > > through all > > > that and took off from there in Nov for a nice run. > > > > > > I don't want you to think I'm spending all my time looking for > the > > > perfect C&H. > > > I'm not I can assure you. My approach is to screen for fundies > > > first. When > > > I find what > > > I think is a stock with excellent fundies I check out the > chart. > > > then I > > > start looking > > > at it's price/volume action, depth of any correction, etc. TRR, > > > CNTL, IGT, USPH > > > are stocks I recently got into based on the fundies first, then > > > chart patterns. > > > And I do wait for the markets. Been mostly out until middle of > > > April. > > > I don't really believe > > > there is a template for a C&H or any other basing pattern. > That's > > > pretty > > > obvious > > > since I was willing to accept the chart patterns of the above > > > stocks as being > > > going enough to get in early anticipating breakouts. (Yes I > bend > > > the rules - > > > I'm not a canslim purist) > > > > > > Now the big question is...how and when do I get out??? > > > > > > > > > At 06:59 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Wow - what a discussion. > > > > > > > >All right, I waited until I got home to go over some previous > > > buys. > > > > > > > >Example 1 (8 week handle): > > > > MASX. The stock spiked on high volume in mid May of 1996 > > > >following a run up from 11 to 38 in 2 mos. From mid May to > the > > > >start of September (14 weeks or so), it formed a cup > -correcting > > > to > > > >23 at the lowest (except for a spike). The handle started in > > > early > > > >September and lasted for 8 weeks. Around the end of Oct was > a > > > >breakout to 40 on high volume. 8 weeks later, the stock was > at > > > 69. > > > > > > > >Example 2 (9 week handle): > > > > EQNX. The stock ran up from 11 in Sept 1997 to 19 in Nov > 97. > > > It > > > >formed what I considered to be a cup through about Jan 9, 1998 > - > > > with > > > >a low of 14.50 on high volume. The handle lasted until March > 8 > > > or > > > >so in 1998 - breaking out above 20 on high volume. It went > up to > > > 26 > > > >in the next couple of months. This isn't exactly a classic cup > in > > > the > > > >handle went up before drifting down. > > > > > > > >Example 3 (11 week handle): > > > > FDO. The stock ran up from 17 in June '97 to 23.50 in > late > > > July > > > >'97 (not much of a run-up, but...). The cup's low point was > > > 19-5/8 > > > >or so - the handle started in late August - ran until a spike > up > > > >around the end of October brought it to 25+. The stock was > at 40 > > > 6 > > > >mos. later. > > > > > > > >Sorry that the examples are a little old, but as I mentioned > > > earlier, > > > >I haven't had any successes with these patterns in a while - > and I > > > >only keep records on stocks I traded. > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > > Thanks for going into more detail. Could you give an > example or > > > two > > > > > of a stock with a 12 week handle as you are describing it? > > > > > > > > > > I agree some stocks do move up too fast, don't spend > adequate > > > time > > > > > digesting gains, have further appreciation and PE > expansion, > === message truncated === ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 25 May 2001 09:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Hmmm... I don't have real-time quotes without violating company policy. The last quote I have as 21.03 - I assume there's a higher priced update? --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > Yes, and it is breaking out now. > I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group, > but > looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good group > to pick > up. > > Anna > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/24/2001 > 10:49:18 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > Anna, > > Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an > interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little > unconventional. > > But... here goes: > 1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it seems > to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher price > than the first and on higher volume. > > 2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't broken > out yet. Right? > > Dave > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > Seems ready to go from C&H. > > Opinions? > > > > Anna > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 25 May 2001 09:59:54 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E53B.BAAC5A24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 21.05 -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:48 AM Hmmm... I don't have real-time quotes without violating company policy. The last quote I have as 21.03 - I assume there's a higher priced update? --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > Yes, and it is breaking out now. > I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group, > but > looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good group > to pick > up. > > Anna > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/24/2001 > 10:49:18 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > Anna, > > Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an > interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little > unconventional. > > But... here goes: > 1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it seems > to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher price > than the first and on higher volume. > > 2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't broken > out yet. Right? > > Dave > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > Seems ready to go from C&H. > > Opinions? > > > > Anna > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Hmmm... I don't have real-time quotes without violating company
policy.  The last quote I have as 21.03 - I assume there's a higher
priced update?


--- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote:
>
> Yes, and it is breaking out now.
> I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group,
> but
> looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good group
> to pick
> up.
>
> Anna
>
>
>
> Dave Cameron <dfcameron@yahoo.com>@lists.xmission.com on 05/24/2001
> 10:49:18 PM
>
> Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com
>
> Sent by:  owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
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>
> To:   canslim@lists.xmission.com
> cc:
> Subject:  RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH?
>
>
> Anna,
>
> Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an
> interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little
> unconventional.
>
> But... here goes:
> 1.  I don't like the shape of the cup.   Instead of a cup, it seems
> to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher price
> than the first and on higher volume.
>
> 2.  I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't broken
> out yet.   Right?
>
> Dave
>
> --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote:
> >
> > Seems ready to go from C&H.
> > Opinions?
> >
> > Anna
> >
> >
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E53B.BAAC5A24-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] dian, mss? Date: 25 May 2001 12:58:28 -0400 DIAN has good fundies. It has been on my watch list for a while. Boy the chart is ugly, though. And Volatile. I've just taken a quick look at it again and noticed that it is building a tighter base of a sort - the volatility has dried off a bit over the last couple of weeks. Also, see how volume dropped off. Also, notice the shakeout a couple of weeks ago - down to 38 on large volume and right back up on large volume. Now that we are almost back to the same level the volume has died. I would not know where a safe entry here is - what is the pivot? All time high? high of this "handle"? If it continues to consolidate for another couple of weeks I may pick it up. If it breaks out from here I think I will stand aside. But what do I know, anyway? MSS looks tempting - has been temping me for a couple of days. However, group stength is low. Btw, does anyone know of another stock in the same group that has bo'ed? Anna BIKEAR@aol.com@lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 12:43:36 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: what your opinion on these two stocks and what does anyone think about the IBD advance workshop? jan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 25 May 2001 13:32:43 -0400 21.08, volume at 114%. It may bo today or tomorrow. Anna Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 12:47:51 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Hmmm... I don't have real-time quotes without violating company policy. The last quote I have as 21.03 - I assume there's a higher priced update? --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > Yes, and it is breaking out now. > I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group, > but > looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good group > to pick > up. > > Anna > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/24/2001 > 10:49:18 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > Anna, > > Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an > interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little > unconventional. > > But... here goes: > 1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it seems > to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher price > than the first and on higher volume. > > 2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't broken > out yet. Right? > > Dave > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > Seems ready to go from C&H. > > Opinions? > > > > Anna > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators MACD Date: 25 May 2001 10:41:48 -0700 (PDT) MACD works best for trending stocks, rather than very volatile stocks for which a Stochastic indicator is more appropiate. I always check the MACD on any stock I am going to buy to confirm it is in an upward trend. I never use it to find stocks. Just as an affirmation of what I watch on DOG I never use Stochastics because I never buy very volatile stocks. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Hi Rick, > > The discipline I eventually evolved, and posted > exubertently on > several years ago, combined using CANSLIM rules to > find stocks > for my watch list, then applying MACD for better > timing of my > entry, hold and sell decision making. Took more time > and > discipline than I have been able to apply > consistently, certainly > since I discovered it. But I have not forgotten it, > and hope to > eventually see my workload slow to where I can apply > it > diligently for several years and see if it works in > all market > conditions. For the limited time I was able to > follow my > discipline, it appears to improve my odds > considerably and > greatly sharpen my entry and exit points in > particular. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Parsons > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:49 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. > Too much? > > > I have never seen a system that uses MACD or other > similar > indicator that > has been successful in creating consistent profits. > In other words, sometimes it confirms, other times > it doesn't. > If it make you feel more comfortable in your > decisions then it is > a help. > But don't depend on them. > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > Of Bill > Triffet > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:21 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. > Too much? > > > I don't disagree with you about them being > important. I'm just > now (after 3 > years) starting to look at MACD as a secondary > indicator of a > breakout or > sell point. I would assume a good canslim breakout > should > confirm those > indicators and vice versa. > > I just wanted the newer folks to realize it is not a > primary > indicator for > canslim. If your new, it can cloud your efforts. > Perhaps a > revised O'Neil > book will cover these and other tools for the "new" > computer age. > > It was only brought up because 3-4 years ago there > was similar > threads > covering additional indicators of which I couldn't > find them in > WON's > material. > > > -Bill Triffet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. > Too much? > > > > > > > > Bill Triffet wrote: > > > > > >From time to time I see posts here refering to > additional > technical > > > indicators. I think these are great additional > tools for the > advanced > folks > > > and those with extra time to learn to > incorporate them > correctly. They > might > > > include the MACD and Stochastic indicators as a > sample. I > just want to > say > > > that these are not covered in HTMMIS and not > somthing one > needs to get > too > > > concerned about. I'm not saying we should not > discuss these > tools but I > felt > > > > It sounds like you are equating oneil's not > covering them to > them being > > unimportant! I view a few select ones as as > essential as > headlights at > night: > > dangerous without them. > > > > > > > > > > it needed to be explained to some of the newer > folks here. > > > I've been following canslim for 3 years now and > have found > there are > enough > > > tools for stock selection and selling that you > can keep it > simple. > > > > > > -Bill Triffet > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] dian, mss? Date: 25 May 2001 12:21:39 -0600 DIAN really is ugly isn't it. Funny how some stocks have a certain personality. If you buy this thing, you might treat it as a short term investment, I've noticed these stocks don't suddenly change their personality just because you buy them. If you stay in long enough, seems like your odds of getting caught in one of those sharp downdrafts are pretty good. Putting a pivot point above the high of the most recent spike seems to put a buy point a little too far from recent prices, maybe you could call the pp at 44, which is about where it would clear recent congestion. On 25 May 01, at 12:58, asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > DIAN has good fundies. It has been on my watch list for a while. Boy the > chart is ugly, though. And Volatile. I've just taken a quick look at it > again and noticed that it is building a tighter base of a sort - the > volatility has dried off a bit over the last couple of weeks. Also, see > how volume dropped off. Also, notice the shakeout a couple of weeks ago - > down to 38 on large volume and right back up on large volume. Now that we > are almost back to the same level the volume has died. > > I would not know where a safe entry here is - what is the pivot? All time > high? high of this "handle"? If it continues to consolidate for another > couple of weeks I may pick it up. If it breaks out from here I think I > will stand aside. But what do I know, anyway? > > MSS looks tempting - has been temping me for a couple of days. However, > group stength is low. Btw, does anyone know of another stock in the same > group that has bo'ed? > > > Anna > > > > BIKEAR@aol.com@lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 12:43:36 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] dian, mss? > > > what your opinion on these two stocks and what does anyone think about the > IBD advance workshop? jan > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: [CANSLIM] Krispy Kreme Date: 25 May 2001 13:16:53 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04A6_01C0E51C.F6EAC580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just tasted my first KK doughnut! The hype was a lot better than the = taste. There is a Super Target store with a KK kiosk (doughnuts baked = elsewhere).... bought the doughnuts around 9.30 a.m. and the glaze on = the dougnuts was sticky, almost wet....... the jelly and creamed filled = doughnuts were very short on filling..... compared to Dunkin Doughnuts = or Souther Maid....... where's the beef? Appears that the best thing = about KK is their stock price.=20 From one that never has tasted a bad doughnut.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_04A6_01C0E51C.F6EAC580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just tasted my first KK doughnut! = The hype was=20 a lot better than the taste. There is a Super Target store with a KK = kiosk=20 (doughnuts baked elsewhere).... bought the doughnuts around 9.30 a.m. = and the=20 glaze on the dougnuts was sticky, almost wet....... the jelly and = creamed filled=20 doughnuts were very short on filling..... compared to Dunkin Doughnuts = or=20 Souther Maid....... where's the beef? Appears that the best thing about = KK is=20 their stock price.
 
From one that never has tasted a bad=20 doughnut. 
------=_NextPart_000_04A6_01C0E51C.F6EAC580-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 25 May 2001 14:40:57 -0400 BPFH is @21.22, volume 189% ADV. I have never seen such a lazy break out before. What does it mean? It is taking all day to move up there. I do not see the urgency of buying. Is this a bad sign? Anna Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 01:32:43 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: 21.08, volume at 114%. It may bo today or tomorrow. Anna Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 12:47:51 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Hmmm... I don't have real-time quotes without violating company policy. The last quote I have as 21.03 - I assume there's a higher priced update? --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > Yes, and it is breaking out now. > I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group, > but > looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good group > to pick > up. > > Anna > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/24/2001 > 10:49:18 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > Anna, > > Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an > interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little > unconventional. > > But... here goes: > 1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it seems > to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher price > than the first and on higher volume. > > 2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't broken > out yet. Right? > > Dave > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > Seems ready to go from C&H. > > Opinions? > > > > Anna > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 25 May 2001 11:47:19 -0700 (PDT) I wonder, if being the afternoon before a holiday weekend - if trading is just drying up in general. I tend to take days like this with a grain of salt. --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > BPFH is @21.22, volume 189% ADV. > I have never seen such a lazy break out before. What does it mean? > It is > taking all day to move up there. I do not see the urgency of > buying. > Is this a bad sign? > > Anna > > > Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 > 01:32:43 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > > 21.08, volume at 114%. > It may bo today or tomorrow. > > > Anna > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 > 12:47:51 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > Hmmm... I don't have real-time quotes without violating company > policy. The last quote I have as 21.03 - I assume there's a higher > priced update? > > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > Yes, and it is breaking out now. > > I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group, > > but > > looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good > group > > to pick > > up. > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on > 05/24/2001 > > 10:49:18 PM > > > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > cc: > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > > > > Anna, > > > > Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an > > interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little > > unconventional. > > > > But... here goes: > > 1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it > seems > > to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher > price > > than the first and on higher volume. > > > > 2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't > broken > > out yet. Right? > > > > Dave > > > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > > Seems ready to go from C&H. > > > Opinions? > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > ===== > > Dave Cameron > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Gaston" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 25 May 2001 13:49:57 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C0E521.95CE9880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No Anna, I think it's just a sign of a day before a holiday. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 25 May 2001 14:52:16 -0400 Oh yes, you guys have a day off on Monday. I fogot about that. Have fun. May I ask what you mean by that? Would you mistrust a breakout on 200% ADV because it is on a slow day? Should it not be given even more significance? Anna Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 02:47:19 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I wonder, if being the afternoon before a holiday weekend - if trading is just drying up in general. I tend to take days like this with a grain of salt. --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > BPFH is @21.22, volume 189% ADV. > I have never seen such a lazy break out before. What does it mean? > It is > taking all day to move up there. I do not see the urgency of > buying. > Is this a bad sign? > > Anna > > > Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 > 01:32:43 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > > 21.08, volume at 114%. > It may bo today or tomorrow. > > > Anna > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 > 12:47:51 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > Hmmm... I don't have real-time quotes without violating company > policy. The last quote I have as 21.03 - I assume there's a higher > priced update? > > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > Yes, and it is breaking out now. > > I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group, > > but > > looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good > group > > to pick > > up. > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on > 05/24/2001 > > 10:49:18 PM > > > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > cc: > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > > > > Anna, > > > > Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an > > interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little > > unconventional. > > > > But... here goes: > > 1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it > seems > > to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher > price > > than the first and on higher volume. > > > > 2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't > broken > > out yet. Right? > > > > Dave > > > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > > Seems ready to go from C&H. > > > Opinions? > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > ===== > > Dave Cameron > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 25 May 2001 12:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Anna, Good question - I would expect overall volume to be down today (below average). As such, a 200% ADV on a stock should be quite positive. The price breakout isn't that great though, as you pointed out. Hey, if it were easy to figure this stuff out - we'd all be getting high percentage gains! Does Canada have a holiday soon? I know July 1 is Dominion day... Dave --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > Oh yes, you guys have a day off on Monday. I fogot about that. > Have fun. > May I ask what you mean by that? Would you mistrust a breakout on > 200% > ADV because it is on a slow day? Should it not be given even more > significance? > > > Anna > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 > 02:47:19 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > I wonder, if being the afternoon before a holiday weekend - if > trading is just drying up in general. I tend to take days like > this with a grain of salt. > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > BPFH is @21.22, volume 189% ADV. > > I have never seen such a lazy break out before. What does it > mean? > > It is > > taking all day to move up there. I do not see the urgency of > > buying. > > Is this a bad sign? > > > > Anna > > > > > > Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 > > 01:32:43 PM > > > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > cc: > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > > > > > > 21.08, volume at 114%. > > It may bo today or tomorrow. > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on > 05/25/2001 > > 12:47:51 PM > > > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > cc: > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > > > > Hmmm... I don't have real-time quotes without violating company > > policy. The last quote I have as 21.03 - I assume there's a > higher > > priced update? > > > > > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > > Yes, and it is breaking out now. > > > I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the > group, > > > but > > > looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good > > group > > > to pick > > > up. > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on > > 05/24/2001 > > > 10:49:18 PM > > > > > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > cc: > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an > > > interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little > > > unconventional. > > > > > > But... here goes: > > > 1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it > > seems > > > to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher > > price > > > than the first and on higher volume. > > > > > > 2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't > > broken > > > out yet. Right? > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Seems ready to go from C&H. > > > > Opinions? > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Dave Cameron > > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > ===== > > Dave Cameron > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "walter nusbaum" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators MACD Date: 25 May 2001 14:58:07 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:41 PM > MACD works best for trending stocks, rather than very > volatile stocks for which a Stochastic indicator is > more appropiate. I always check the MACD on any stock > I am going to buy to confirm it is in an upward trend. > I never use it to find stocks. Just as an affirmation > of what I watch on DOG I never use Stochastics > because I never buy very volatile stocks. > > Steve Steve, As Tom noted, the MACD is a superb instrument for timing entry, hold and sell decisions. As a point of fact, I was recently stopped out of NVLS, EFDS, MTON, and ACTN. In each case, the MACD provided a sell signal very close to the last high, and I could have vacated those positions in profits. However, trying to be a good CANSLIMer, I vowed to hold as I had previously sold (at a profit) HOV and ACI only to watch them move higher. Anyway, for those not familiar with the MACD, it can and does "predict" the near-future with uncanny accuracy. It is comprised of three moving averages(MA). The first two form the daily histogram by graphing the result of the difference of the two. The first is the shorter of the two and therefore reacts quicker to daily changes. As price moves up, and if the first MA is above the second MA, the histogram is extended above the zero line. As prices fall and the first MA moves closer to the second, the histogram shrinks until it passes the zero line, at which time it extends in a negative direction. The third moving average is the signal line and can be used to confirm the movements of the histogram. A sell signal is generated with the first decrease of a previously growing group of histograms. This signal is usually close to the previous high and perhaps 10% of the time *is* the high. A buy signal is similar but moving in a positive direction from ever-lower lows. The MACD is not perfect and can give false signals, but as was noted it works best for trending stocks where it is near-perfect. The "secret" of the MACD(if there is such), is that the standard 12-26-9 MA's usually displayed on most sites is not the one to use, or at least not the one that I have found to be optimal. A good start is with 3-7-10. This is very qiuck and can be used nicely with nearly any stock. Another "secret"(I use "secret" because I've never seen a discussion about using any *other* settings), is that each stock has its own optimal settings. Just back test a few to see which one works best. Again, the MACD is not perfect, but I wouldn't be without it. There are times when the first sell signal should be ignored, but there are ways to avoid it. Hint: Use superimposed dual MACD's. Best wishes, Walt > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > Hi Rick, > > > > The discipline I eventually evolved, and posted > > exubertently on > > several years ago, combined using CANSLIM rules to > > find stocks > > for my watch list, then applying MACD for better > > timing of my > > entry, hold and sell decision making. (Snip) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Longer handles (was IGT) Date: 25 May 2001 14:29:05 -0600 Dave TRR had a nice run up to 33 bucks on 03/07. It spent the next eight weeks shaking out a few poor souls and consolidating. Bought into TRR on 04/18 at 31.05. At the time I thought I was buying into a two week handle on a short five week cup. Yes I was buying early. Next day there was a brutal shakeout. I hung in there because there was only 76K ADV. The stock drifted up past the peak of the 'handle' and broke out on 05/08. It's not the prettiest c&h, may not even be one. But hey, I'm making some money ;) At 09:46 AM 5/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >Doug, > >Thanks... I see it for USPH, CNTL. Not sure where you are looking >for TRR. Can you help? > >Dave > >--- DougC wrote: > > Dave > > > > I'm learning too. > > In my last e-mail I did state that I'm not a canslim purist nor a > > fanatic of template C&H. I gave some symbols of stocks that > > I've recently bought that I loosely interpreted as C&H. > > TRR,USPH, CNTL, IGT > > Yes Making money is the bottom line. > > > > > > At 06:26 AM 5/25/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >Doug, > > > > > >Sorry I couldn't dig out more recent examples. I have hard > > copies > > >of the MASX and EQNX charts - because I printed them off from DGO > > >once I bought - and when I sold. > > > > > >I figure the key here is to make money; not to adhere specifically > > to > > >O'Neil's definitions. You've convinced me that your > > interpretation > > >of the C&H is more in line with how O'Neil defines it than mine > > is. > > >And, to be honest, I've never really thought about it. In each > > of > > >the three examples I gave, I made money. In the case of FDO, it > > was > > >66% in 6 months. > > > > > >I'm not trying to sound harsh; I'm enjoying this interchange. > > I'm > > >learning from it. As I indicated, there are certain patterns > > which > > >have done well for me, and certain which have not. You don't > > >consider FDO to be a pure C&H, and maybe you wouldn't consider > > MASX > > >or EQNX to have them either. Maybe I "prefer" to consider them a > > >C&H - because they look similar and have worked for me. > > > > > >Regardless, in each of the examples, both my perceived cup and > > >perceived handle are longer than IGT's. The price action for IGT > > is > > >still holding and behaving well. Intuitively, I still think the > > >"consolidation period" is too short. But... if we all thought > > the > > >same way, then there wouldn't be enough variation for price > > >movements! > > > > > >Conversely, can you show me an example of a C&H with a short > > handle > > >that has worked well? > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Dave > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > Thanks Dave for taking the time to go through the details on > > these. > > > > I couldnt check out MASX and EQNX. They must have been > > > > merged or something because when I tried to look them up on > > > > stockcharts.com > > > > they werent there. > > > > > > > > Did look at FDO. Interesting chart pattern. I see the cup for > > the > > > > month > > > > of August then it looks, to me anyway, like there was a fairly > > flat > > > > handle for > > > > the first two weeks of Sept. Then the stock tried to break out > > but > > > > hit > > > > resistance > > > > at 25. I call the price move from middle of Sept to last week > > of > > > > sept, when > > > > it hit > > > > 25, a breakout > > > > attempt. Not a handle. Over the next six weeks it broke down > > into > > > > the base of > > > > the cup that formed > > > > in august. That's what bases are for. I've read that some > > > > intermediate traders > > > > would have held even if the price hit the low of the cup. > > Others > > > > sell if > > > > the B/O > > > > breaks down past the high of the right side of the cup. It did > > make > > > > it > > > > through all > > > > that and took off from there in Nov for a nice run. > > > > > > > > I don't want you to think I'm spending all my time looking for > > the > > > > perfect C&H. > > > > I'm not I can assure you. My approach is to screen for fundies > > > > first. When > > > > I find what > > > > I think is a stock with excellent fundies I check out the > > chart. > > > > then I > > > > start looking > > > > at it's price/volume action, depth of any correction, etc. TRR, > > > > CNTL, IGT, USPH > > > > are stocks I recently got into based on the fundies first, then > > > > chart patterns. > > > > And I do wait for the markets. Been mostly out until middle of > > > > April. > > > > I don't really believe > > > > there is a template for a C&H or any other basing pattern. > > That's > > > > pretty > > > > obvious > > > > since I was willing to accept the chart patterns of the above > > > > stocks as being > > > > going enough to get in early anticipating breakouts. (Yes I > > bend > > > > the rules - > > > > I'm not a canslim purist) > > > > > > > > Now the big question is...how and when do I get out??? > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:59 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >Wow - what a discussion. > > > > > > > > > >All right, I waited until I got home to go over some previous > > > > buys. > > > > > > > > > >Example 1 (8 week handle): > > > > > MASX. The stock spiked on high volume in mid May of 1996 > > > > >following a run up from 11 to 38 in 2 mos. From mid May to > > the > > > > >start of September (14 weeks or so), it formed a cup > > -correcting > > > > to > > > > >23 at the lowest (except for a spike). The handle started in > > > > early > > > > >September and lasted for 8 weeks. Around the end of Oct was > > a > > > > >breakout to 40 on high volume. 8 weeks later, the stock was > > at > > > > 69. > > > > > > > > > >Example 2 (9 week handle): > > > > > EQNX. The stock ran up from 11 in Sept 1997 to 19 in Nov > > 97. > > > > It > > > > >formed what I considered to be a cup through about Jan 9, 1998 > > - > > > > with > > > > >a low of 14.50 on high volume. The handle lasted until March > > 8 > > > > or > > > > >so in 1998 - breaking out above 20 on high volume. It went > > up to > > > > 26 > > > > >in the next couple of months. This isn't exactly a classic cup > > in > > > > the > > > > >handle went up before drifting down. > > > > > > > > > >Example 3 (11 week handle): > > > > > FDO. The stock ran up from 17 in June '97 to 23.50 in > > late > > > > July > > > > >'97 (not much of a run-up, but...). The cup's low point was > > > > 19-5/8 > > > > >or so - the handle started in late August - ran until a spike > > up > > > > >around the end of October brought it to 25+. The stock was > > at 40 > > > > 6 > > > > >mos. later. > > > > > > > > > >Sorry that the examples are a little old, but as I mentioned > > > > earlier, > > > > >I haven't had any successes with these patterns in a while - > > and I > > > > >only keep records on stocks I traded. > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- DougC wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for going into more detail. Could you give an > > example or > > > > two > > > > > > of a stock with a 12 week handle as you are describing it? > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree some stocks do move up too fast, don't spend > > adequate > > > > time > > > > > > digesting gains, have further appreciation and PE > > expansion, > > >=== message truncated === > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators MACD Date: 25 May 2001 13:39:33 -0700 I have not thought of the Stoch in that lightof volitility. I understand it to show the instruments ability to close in the top half of its range for the period or the bottom half, which ever direction it is moving. And is more meaningful in that light in a trendless range. As far as MACD: The MACD-Histogram is more meaningful for me. It is the Hist. resulting from the difference between the fast moving average and the slow. Its trend is determined by the last bar as represented by the height of the letters Aa or aA. The first set the trend would be down, the latter up. On a daily basis, I would not enter a position until the trend would be up aA. Hope the above is not too opaque. It has kept me out of what would have been poorly timed entries. I also look to it for exit guidance. Steve F wrote: > MACD works best for trending stocks, rather than very > volatile stocks for which a Stochastic indicator is > more appropiate. I always check the MACD on any stock > I am going to buy to confirm it is in an upward trend. > I never use it to find stocks. Just as an affirmation > of what I watch on DOG I never use Stochastics > because I never buy very volatile stocks. > > Steve > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > Hi Rick, > > > > The discipline I eventually evolved, and posted > > exubertently on > > several years ago, combined using CANSLIM rules to > > find stocks > > for my watch list, then applying MACD for better > > timing of my > > entry, hold and sell decision making. Took more time > > and > > discipline than I have been able to apply > > consistently, certainly > > since I discovered it. But I have not forgotten it, > > and hope to > > eventually see my workload slow to where I can apply > > it > > diligently for several years and see if it works in > > all market > > conditions. For the limited time I was able to > > follow my > > discipline, it appears to improve my odds > > considerably and > > greatly sharpen my entry and exit points in > > particular. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rick Parsons > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:49 PM > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. > > Too much? > > > > > > I have never seen a system that uses MACD or other > > similar > > indicator that > > has been successful in creating consistent profits. > > In other words, sometimes it confirms, other times > > it doesn't. > > If it make you feel more comfortable in your > > decisions then it is > > a help. > > But don't depend on them. > > > > Rick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > > Of Bill > > Triffet > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:21 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. > > Too much? > > > > > > I don't disagree with you about them being > > important. I'm just > > now (after 3 > > years) starting to look at MACD as a secondary > > indicator of a > > breakout or > > sell point. I would assume a good canslim breakout > > should > > confirm those > > indicators and vice versa. > > > > I just wanted the newer folks to realize it is not a > > primary > > indicator for > > canslim. If your new, it can cloud your efforts. > > Perhaps a > > revised O'Neil > > book will cover these and other tools for the "new" > > computer age. > > > > It was only brought up because 3-4 years ago there > > was similar > > threads > > covering additional indicators of which I couldn't > > find them in > > WON's > > material. > > > > > > -Bill Triffet > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. > > Too much? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Triffet wrote: > > > > > > > >From time to time I see posts here refering to > > additional > > technical > > > > indicators. I think these are great additional > > tools for the > > advanced > > folks > > > > and those with extra time to learn to > > incorporate them > > correctly. They > > might > > > > include the MACD and Stochastic indicators as a > > sample. I > > just want to > > say > > > > that these are not covered in HTMMIS and not > > somthing one > > needs to get > > too > > > > concerned about. I'm not saying we should not > > discuss these > > tools but I > > felt > > > > > > It sounds like you are equating oneil's not > > covering them to > > them being > > > unimportant! I view a few select ones as as > > essential as > > headlights at > > night: > > > dangerous without them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it needed to be explained to some of the newer > > folks here. > > > > I've been following canslim for 3 years now and > > have found > > there are > > enough > > > > tools for stock selection and selling that you > > can keep it > > simple. > > > > > > > > -Bill Triffet > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators MACD Date: 25 May 2001 13:55:37 -0700 Walter, Thanks for the insights into MACD. I've saved this for future reference. As the one who started the thread about whether this and other indicators are a necessary part of canslim, I now see that many of us are using them with some success. Ah...we never stop learning. (g) -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:58 PM > Steve, > As Tom noted, the MACD is a superb instrument for timing entry, hold and > sell decisions. As a point of fact, I was recently stopped out of NVLS, > EFDS, MTON, and ACTN. In each case, the MACD provided a sell signal very > close to the last high, and I could have vacated those positions in profits. > However, trying to be a good CANSLIMer, I vowed to hold as I had previously > sold (at a profit) HOV and ACI only to watch them move higher. > > Anyway, for those not familiar with the MACD, it can and does "predict" the > near-future with uncanny accuracy. It is comprised of three moving > averages(MA). The first two form the daily histogram by graphing the result > of the difference of the two. The first is the shorter of the two and > therefore reacts quicker to daily changes. As price moves up, and if the > first MA is above the second MA, the histogram is extended above the zero > line. As prices fall and the first MA moves closer to the second, the > histogram shrinks until it passes the zero line, at which time it extends in > a negative direction. The third moving average is the signal line and can be > used to confirm the movements of the histogram. > > A sell signal is generated with the first decrease of a previously growing > group of histograms. This signal is usually close to the previous high and > perhaps 10% of the time *is* the high. A buy signal is similar but moving in > a positive direction from ever-lower lows. The MACD is not perfect and can > give false signals, but as was noted it works best for trending stocks where > it is near-perfect. > > The "secret" of the MACD(if there is such), is that the standard 12-26-9 > MA's usually displayed on most sites is not the one to use, or at least not > the one that I have found to be optimal. A good start is with 3-7-10. This > is very qiuck and can be used nicely with nearly any stock. Another > "secret"(I use "secret" because I've never seen a discussion about using any > *other* settings), is that each stock has its own optimal settings. Just > back test a few to see which one works best. Again, the MACD is not perfect, > but I wouldn't be without it. There are times when the first sell signal > should be ignored, but there are ways to avoid it. Hint: Use superimposed > dual MACD's. > Best wishes, > Walt - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Krispy Kreme Date: 25 May 2001 13:50:33 -0700 --------------3C2AE265732E27F6781C92EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ummm, yum! Gene Ricci wrote: > I just tasted my first KK doughnut! The hype was a lot better than the > taste. There is a Super Target store with a KK kiosk (doughnuts baked > elsewhere).... bought the doughnuts around 9.30 a.m. and the glaze on > the dougnuts was sticky, almost wet....... the jelly and creamed > filled doughnuts were very short on filling..... compared to Dunkin > Doughnuts or Souther Maid....... where's the beef? Appears that the > best thing about KK is their stock price. From one that never has > tasted a bad doughnut. --------------3C2AE265732E27F6781C92EB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ummm, yum!

Gene Ricci wrote:

I just tasted my first KK doughnut! The hype was a lot better than the taste. There is a Super Target store with a KK kiosk (doughnuts baked elsewhere).... bought the doughnuts around 9.30 a.m. and the glaze on the dougnuts was sticky, almost wet....... the jelly and creamed filled doughnuts were very short on filling..... compared to Dunkin Doughnuts or Souther Maid....... where's the beef? Appears that the best thing about KK is their stock price. From one that never has tasted a bad doughnut.
--------------3C2AE265732E27F6781C92EB-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators MACD Date: 25 May 2001 15:48:46 -0500 These two indicators actually work very well together. When MACD in the higher time frame is trending buy/sell the oversold/overbought stochastic in the lower time frame. Of course, this is distinctly non-CANSLIM. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:39 PM > I have not thought of the Stoch in that lightof volitility. I > understand it to show the instruments ability to close in the top half > of its range for the period or the bottom half, which ever direction it > is moving. And is more meaningful in that light in a trendless range. > > As far as MACD: The MACD-Histogram is more meaningful for me. It is the > Hist. resulting from the difference between the fast moving average and > the slow. > Its trend is determined by the last bar as represented by the height of > the letters Aa or aA. The first set the trend would be down, the latter > up. On a daily basis, I would not enter a position until the trend > would be up aA. > > Hope the above is not too opaque. It has kept me out of what would have > been poorly timed entries. I also look to it for exit guidance. > > Steve F wrote: > > > MACD works best for trending stocks, rather than very > > volatile stocks for which a Stochastic indicator is > > more appropiate. I always check the MACD on any stock > > I am going to buy to confirm it is in an upward trend. > > I never use it to find stocks. Just as an affirmation > > of what I watch on DOG I never use Stochastics > > because I never buy very volatile stocks. > > > > Steve > > > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > > > > > The discipline I eventually evolved, and posted > > > exubertently on > > > several years ago, combined using CANSLIM rules to > > > find stocks > > > for my watch list, then applying MACD for better > > > timing of my > > > entry, hold and sell decision making. Took more time > > > and > > > discipline than I have been able to apply > > > consistently, certainly > > > since I discovered it. But I have not forgotten it, > > > and hope to > > > eventually see my workload slow to where I can apply > > > it > > > diligently for several years and see if it works in > > > all market > > > conditions. For the limited time I was able to > > > follow my > > > discipline, it appears to improve my odds > > > considerably and > > > greatly sharpen my entry and exit points in > > > particular. > > > > > > Tom Worley > > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Rick Parsons > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 1:49 PM > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. > > > Too much? > > > > > > > > > I have never seen a system that uses MACD or other > > > similar > > > indicator that > > > has been successful in creating consistent profits. > > > In other words, sometimes it confirms, other times > > > it doesn't. > > > If it make you feel more comfortable in your > > > decisions then it is > > > a help. > > > But don't depend on them. > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf > > > Of Bill > > > Triffet > > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:21 PM > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. > > > Too much? > > > > > > > > > I don't disagree with you about them being > > > important. I'm just > > > now (after 3 > > > years) starting to look at MACD as a secondary > > > indicator of a > > > breakout or > > > sell point. I would assume a good canslim breakout > > > should > > > confirm those > > > indicators and vice versa. > > > > > > I just wanted the newer folks to realize it is not a > > > primary > > > indicator for > > > canslim. If your new, it can cloud your efforts. > > > Perhaps a > > > revised O'Neil > > > book will cover these and other tools for the "new" > > > computer age. > > > > > > It was only brought up because 3-4 years ago there > > > was similar > > > threads > > > covering additional indicators of which I couldn't > > > find them in > > > WON's > > > material. > > > > > > > > > -Bill Triffet > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dan" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 10:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Other indicators & canslim. > > > Too much? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Triffet wrote: > > > > > > > > > >From time to time I see posts here refering to > > > additional > > > technical > > > > > indicators. I think these are great additional > > > tools for the > > > advanced > > > folks > > > > > and those with extra time to learn to > > > incorporate them > > > correctly. They > > > might > > > > > include the MACD and Stochastic indicators as a > > > sample. I > > > just want to > > > say > > > > > that these are not covered in HTMMIS and not > > > somthing one > > > needs to get > > > too > > > > > concerned about. I'm not saying we should not > > > discuss these > > > tools but I > > > felt > > > > > > > > It sounds like you are equating oneil's not > > > covering them to > > > them being > > > > unimportant! I view a few select ones as as > > > essential as > > > headlights at > > > night: > > > > dangerous without them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it needed to be explained to some of the newer > > > folks here. > > > > > I've been following canslim for 3 years now and > > > have found > > > there are > > > enough > > > > > tools for stock selection and selling that you > > > can keep it > > > simple. > > > > > > > > > > -Bill Triffet > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > > email. > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > > email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 25 May 2001 19:22:17 -0700 (PDT) So this means you agree with "computer, medical and retail sectors." thanks Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Historically, from my experience, medical stocks > have not proven > to be good leadership. Biotechs have done a little > better, but > only relatively. Forget REITs, regional banks, and > similar S&Ls, > they may be opportunistic, but they are not leaders. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders > > > more on the subject, Same issue. > > "Leading stocks move in packs. When you see a few > companies making bullish moves, look for related > stocks to follow. The table of 52-Week Highs & Lows > in > the print edition is sorted by sectors with the most > new highs for that very reason. > > Real estate investment trusts, regional banks and > savings and loans have clogged the top of the list > in > recent weeks. They're benefiting from the Fed's rate > cuts. But they're not typically areas where you find > big winning stocks. Look a little farther down the > list and you'll see the computer, medical and retail > sectors. They have a better track record of > generating > market leaders." > > -------- > > > --- Kent Norman wrote: > > As the group knows, I have been searching for > clues > > as > > to the new leading group. Perhaps this note from > > Friday's IBD is a hint? What do you folks think? > > > > "Thursday's Stocks: A number of medical stocks > have > > taken leading roles in the past few weeks. > Biotechs > > moved up for a second day." > > > > Thanks > > Kent Norman > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 25 May 2001 20:42:38 -0600 I'm not sure I follow your message on BPFH. If you are "playing" the high handle, your pivot should be at 21.63 (the handle high of 21.50 + 0.13). It doesn't look to be ready for that level yet. Or, are you playing the "cup". In this case, I would have made the pivot at 20.63, and the breakout on 5/7 with low volume (about average). Since that point, there have been 4 up days of strong volume, so you could consider those confirmations of the move, and buy in. However, I'm still confused on your reading on this one. Care to illuminate? At 12:34 PM 5/25/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Yes, and it is breaking out now. >I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group, but >looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good group to pick >up. > >Anna > > > >Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/24/2001 >10:49:18 PM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > >Anna, > >Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an >interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little >unconventional. > >But... here goes: >1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it seems >to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher price >than the first and on higher volume. > >2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't broken >out yet. Right? > >Dave > >--- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: >> >> Seems ready to go from C&H. >> Opinions? >> >> Anna >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] dian, mss? Date: 25 May 2001 20:49:40 -0600 DIAN - I've been watching this one, but the base is too wild and loose to get much confidence from. In fact, I would guess Tom wouldn't even call this "consolidation" a base. I stopped looking at this one after the chart. (Now where IS my list so I can remove it?) MSS - Not on my list due to D industry group. This one is just starting to run up enough to consider the chart on the right side of the cup. It looks to me to be just above the 50% level of the cup right now. I prefer to wait for handles that start at the 75% level or above, so I would wait on this one. Other than the weak group RS, the fundamentals look good. At 12:43 PM 5/25/01 EDT, you wrote: >what your opinion on these two stocks and what does anyone think about the >IBD advance workshop? jan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Krispy Kreme Date: 26 May 2001 00:18:58 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C0E579.75A931C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is only one way to eat KK glazed donuts, and that is sitting at = the counter watching them gingerly pick your donuts right off the = conveyor belt coming out of the glazing bath. When they get to you, they = are almost too hot to hold. I can only compare it to eating hot air with = a sweet taste.=20 The filled donuts have to cool before they can stuff them, but it's neat = watching the process. And they still are far fresher than buying them in = a store. For the real experience, you gotta go eat them in a KK production = facility. There is no comparison. And if you have a mechanical interest, = it's interesting to see how donuts are made. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Krispy Kreme I just tasted my first KK doughnut! The hype was a lot better than the = taste. There is a Super Target store with a KK kiosk (doughnuts baked = elsewhere).... bought the doughnuts around 9.30 a.m. and the glaze on = the dougnuts was sticky, almost wet....... the jelly and creamed filled = doughnuts were very short on filling..... compared to Dunkin Doughnuts = or Souther Maid....... where's the beef? Appears that the best thing = about KK is their stock price.=20 =20 From one that never has tasted a bad doughnut.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C0E579.75A931C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There is only one way to eat KK glazed donuts, and = that is=20 sitting at the counter watching them gingerly pick your donuts right off = the=20 conveyor belt coming out of the glazing bath. When they get to you, they = are=20 almost too hot to hold. I can only compare it to eating hot air with a = sweet=20 taste.
 
The filled donuts have to cool before they can stuff = them, but=20 it's neat watching the process. And they still are far fresher than = buying them=20 in a store.
 
For the real experience, you gotta go eat them in a = KK=20 production facility. There is no comparison. And if you have a = mechanical=20 interest, it's interesting to see how donuts are made.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:16 = PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Krispy = Kreme

I just tasted my first KK doughnut! = The hype=20 was a lot better than the taste. There is a Super Target store with a = KK kiosk=20 (doughnuts baked elsewhere).... bought the doughnuts around 9.30 a.m. = and the=20 glaze on the dougnuts was sticky, almost wet....... the jelly and = creamed=20 filled doughnuts were very short on filling..... compared to Dunkin = Doughnuts=20 or Souther Maid....... where's the beef? Appears that the best thing = about KK=20 is their stock price.
 
From one that never has tasted a bad = doughnut. 
------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C0E579.75A931C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 26 May 2001 00:23:21 -0400 I would give it extra significance, as most traders do not like to carry a position over the weekend, and especially over a long weekend. So above average volume is significant. One danger, tho, is that on Fridays before long weekends, the big boys (brokers doing the most business) tend to take off early, leaving the rookies in charge. When those big boys come back in on Tuesday, and see that the rookies pushed prices up and they have surprising profits they didn't expect, they often wack it with immediate selling. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 2:52 PM Oh yes, you guys have a day off on Monday. I fogot about that. Have fun. May I ask what you mean by that? Would you mistrust a breakout on 200% ADV because it is on a slow day? Should it not be given even more significance? Anna Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 02:47:19 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I wonder, if being the afternoon before a holiday weekend - if trading is just drying up in general. I tend to take days like this with a grain of salt. --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > BPFH is @21.22, volume 189% ADV. > I have never seen such a lazy break out before. What does it mean? > It is > taking all day to move up there. I do not see the urgency of > buying. > Is this a bad sign? > > Anna > > > Anna Sosis/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA@lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 > 01:32:43 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > > 21.08, volume at 114%. > It may bo today or tomorrow. > > > Anna > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 > 12:47:51 PM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > Hmmm... I don't have real-time quotes without violating company > policy. The last quote I have as 21.03 - I assume there's a higher > priced update? > > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > Yes, and it is breaking out now. > > I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group, > > but > > looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good > group > > to pick > > up. > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on > 05/24/2001 > > 10:49:18 PM > > > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > cc: > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > > > > > Anna, > > > > Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an > > interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little > > unconventional. > > > > But... here goes: > > 1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it > seems > > to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher > price > > than the first and on higher volume. > > > > 2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't > broken > > out yet. Right? > > > > Dave > > > > --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > > > > > Seems ready to go from C&H. > > > Opinions? > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > ===== > > Dave Cameron > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 26 May 2001 00:34:56 -0400 Not sure that I quite agree. Certainly these three groups right now do offer some strong growth potential, particularly medical with the aging population. Retail might be attractive as it has been battered down, but if consumers start spending again as they enjoy the windfall wealth of an improving market, the comparisons could be quite strong. Neither group attracts me, I will mostly stick to tech stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:22 PM So this means you agree with "computer, medical and retail sectors." thanks Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Historically, from my experience, medical stocks > have not proven > to be good leadership. Biotechs have done a little > better, but > only relatively. Forget REITs, regional banks, and > similar S&Ls, > they may be opportunistic, but they are not leaders. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders > > > more on the subject, Same issue. > > "Leading stocks move in packs. When you see a few > companies making bullish moves, look for related > stocks to follow. The table of 52-Week Highs & Lows > in > the print edition is sorted by sectors with the most > new highs for that very reason. > > Real estate investment trusts, regional banks and > savings and loans have clogged the top of the list > in > recent weeks. They're benefiting from the Fed's rate > cuts. But they're not typically areas where you find > big winning stocks. Look a little farther down the > list and you'll see the computer, medical and retail > sectors. They have a better track record of > generating > market leaders." > > -------- > > > --- Kent Norman wrote: > > As the group knows, I have been searching for > clues > > as > > to the new leading group. Perhaps this note from > > Friday's IBD is a hint? What do you folks think? > > > > "Thursday's Stocks: A number of medical stocks > have > > taken leading roles in the past few weeks. > Biotechs > > moved up for a second day." > > > > Thanks > > Kent Norman > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Carr" Subject: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk Date: 25 May 2001 23:11:17 -0500 Forwarded in case others are having the same problem. Seems hard to avoid when they launch every application in a new window. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM > Dear Jim Carr, > > Thank you for your email. > > This can happen if you open more than one browser window to our site. It > can also happen on certain systems if you are running back & forth > through charts & other tools very quickly. > > If it happens again, just click the "Log Off" button on the top left IF > it is there (blue rectangle), close out all browsers that are open to > our site or our tools, and re-visit the site and log in again. > > Sincerely, > Eric > Investor's Business Daily > www.investors.com > > _____ > > I am constantly getting the following message while I am on the site: > > > Your account is currently in use. > > Your user name and password are currently logged into our system. > > Our system will only allow one log in session at a time for each unique > user name and password combination. If you feel that an unauthorized > individual is using your user name and password, and you are certain > that you have not shared this information, please contact us at > custcare@investors.com. > > > It typically occurs when I am viewing charts. The chart window will > close and I have to close all browser windows with IBD pages, reopen > them, relogin, and get back to where I was. It happens about once every > thirty minutes. This is getting annoying as hell. Can you please take > a look and see if you can find the source of the problem. > > Thanks - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 26 May 2001 07:52:08 -0600 Greg Kuhn suggested in a course on intermediate CANSLIM trading that a handle overshooting the left side of a cup by 10-12% is acceptable. At 09:29 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >Isn't there something about a handle that forms higher >than the left cup brim being risky? > >Kent Norman > > >--- DougC wrote: > > I agree. It's a C&H. The handle is extended above > > the base by about 5% I > > think that's acceptable. There's definitely been > > accumulation the past four > > weeks. I looked at the 52 week 'weekly' chart. BPFH > > has had a nice run from > > 7.5 last May. Don't understand some of the fundies > > data on DGO. Last > > quarter had 17% earnings decrease over previous > > years. It shows this > > quarters earnings up 40% but doesnt show a rev. > > number. Not a top tier > > growth stock but the canslim numbers seem to be good > > enough to jump in if > > it breaks out tomorrow or early next week. That's if > > you really need the > > action. Personally I'd keep looking for something > > better. > > > > At 07:06 PM 5/24/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Seems ready to go from C&H. > > >Opinions? > > > > > >Anna > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >email. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Today's DGO List Date: 26 May 2001 09:53:43 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C0E5C9.C0140AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good morning, all The first half of the list should be out shortly, and you will notice = that there are already two stocks on the list that I indicate have both = low ADV and price. You may wonder why I have included these in a list I = intend as mainstream CANSLIM. It helps to understand when you remember = that the very first criteria applied by DGO in producing this list is = that the stocks must already be in WON's DG books. The importance of = that is critical, as those stocks making the books must meet certain = criteria. The two most common elements that keep a stock out of the = books are price and ADV. This is especially true of stocks in a strong = group (one is an A, the other a C group) where there are a lot of stocks = competing for visibility. I am convinced that some stocks make the cut for the books because there = is interest either by a large institutional client of O'Neil's, or one = of his staff members has done a due diligence and presented persuasive = arguments. I am told by DGO however that the selection process is = computer controlled. One is on my watch list, the other has no interest for me because of its = group.=20 This is not an attempt to subvert the group into buying small caps, nor = to sneak in my watch list. I would do that openly if I thought it was = right. Just thought you would like to know. 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Good morning, all
 
The first half of the list should be out shortly, = and you will=20 notice that there are already two stocks on the list that I indicate = have both=20 low ADV and price. You may wonder why I have included these in a list I = intend=20 as mainstream CANSLIM. It helps to understand when you remember that the = very=20 first criteria applied by DGO in producing this list is that the stocks = must=20 already be in WON's DG books. The importance of that is critical, as = those=20 stocks making the books must meet certain criteria. The two most common = elements=20 that keep a stock out of the books are price and ADV. This is especially = true of=20 stocks in a strong group (one is an A, the other a C group) where there = are a=20 lot of stocks competing for visibility.
 
I am convinced that some stocks make the cut for the = books=20 because there is interest either by a large institutional client of = O'Neil's, or=20 one of his staff members has done a due diligence and presented = persuasive=20 arguments. I am told by DGO however that the selection process is = computer=20 controlled.
 
One is on my watch list, the other has no interest = for me=20 because of its group.
 
This is not an attempt to subvert the group into = buying small=20 caps, nor to sneak in my watch list. I would do that openly if I thought = it was=20 right.
 
Just thought you would like to know.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C0E5C9.C0140AA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. Date: 26 May 2001 08:05:28 -0600 I was very suprised when I saw this and even thought you might be joking. But just checked DGO and they actually have a blurb about it on the datablock for ROYL. I thought they were mostly into natural gas drilled in No. Calif. and with the prices and demand going up I figured that was all there was to it. I was under the impression that the days of striking oil in OK were long over. But then I know absolutely nothing about the oil industry...or most of the others I invest in. At 01:04 AM 5/25/01 -0400, you wrote: >Actually, I suspect that there were too many who knew in advance >they had a productive well being drilled in OK, finally announced >this week. Sounds like a rich field they have tapped into. > >And they expect to have this new well in production in a matter >of weeks. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: DougC >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:35 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROYL - classic climax blowoff. > > >ROYL is a very impressive pick. So congratulations. Just took a >quick look >at the chart on DGO. I'd have to say I would have not >interpreted the recent run as a 'classic climax'. ROYL has a PE >of only 16. >It's got ADV of only 62K with a float of only 2.3 mil. And a >market cap of >under 100mil. That is definitely small cap territory. I don't >have years of >experience with this but I'd say that the recent rapid runup was >due to the >small >float and ADV and extremely strong earnings growth momemtum. I >would >have been willing to let it drop 20% from the high of around 20 >bucks before >unloading it. > > > >At 12:22 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Sold my position of ROYL. Looking back one can see a classic >climax run. I > >should have took profits yesterday but oh well. My best one for >the year. > > > >-Bill > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List Date: 26 May 2001 10:06:09 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C0E5CB.7CB173E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List is stable this week at 278, last week at 279. Before that it was = 253 and 264. It consists of those stocks in the Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) = that as of Friday had both RS and EPS of 80 or better. Additionally, = they must have been at or within 5% of the 12 month high during the = prior week. In my review of this overall list, I am only focusing on the = recent chart patterns.=20 This review of the overall list is solely intended to identify stocks = with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, that are = showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own = personal bias against certain industries is largely ignored in the = review. As always, my shorthand notation is Bx where "B" means a "B"ase of "x" = weeks, IMO.=20 LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right KWK - B2 SRDX - rough B4 TARO - looks to be resuming its LLUR ways HSIC - B2 FCFS - broke out Wed from a B4 on volume, 5% over base, ADV 37K, Price = 7.35 JNY - B2 QCBC - B3 UHCO - B2, low ADV and price ($6) FDS - 2nd entry may be setting up after the b/o from a short handle MINI - B4 DME - LLUR FIC - breaking out on vol from B3 HDL - B2+ ACS - B4 AN - young LLUR? WTSLA - B1 handle on the cup CITZ - B2 DCOM - B4 Happy hunting, and enjoy the Memorial Day weekend, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C0E5CB.7CB173E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
List is stable this week at 278, last week at 279. = Before that=20 it was 253 and 264.
 
It = consists of those=20 stocks in the Daily Graphs books (roughly 2,800) that as of Friday had = both RS=20 and EPS of 80 or better.  Additionally, they must have been at or = within 5%=20 of the 12 month high during the prior week. In my review of this overall = list, I=20 am only focusing on the recent chart patterns.=20
 
This review of the overall list is solely intended = to identify=20 stocks with good CANSLIM qualities, using authentic WON sourced data, = that are=20 showing some kind of constructive chart formation. The idea is to = present=20 some candidates for member's watch list, not to suggest they are = presently a=20 "buy" candidate. No due diligence has been done. My own personal bias = against=20 certain industries is largely ignored in the=20 review.
 
As always, my shorthand notation is = Bx where "B"=20 means a "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO.
LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper = Right
 
KWK - B2
SRDX - rough B4
TARO - looks to be resuming its LLUR ways
HSIC - B2
FCFS - broke out Wed from a B4 on volume, 5% over base, ADV 37K, = Price=20 7.35
JNY - B2
QCBC - B3
UHCO - B2, low ADV and price ($6)
FDS - 2nd entry may be setting up after the b/o from a short = handle
MINI - B4
DME - LLUR
FIC - breaking out on vol from B3
HDL - B2+
ACS - B4
AN - young LLUR?
WTSLA - B1 handle on the cup
CITZ - B2
DCOM - B4
 
Happy hunting, and enjoy the Memorial Day=20 weekend,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C0E5CB.7CB173E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions Date: 26 May 2001 10:20:05 -0400 I think you may be right, Dave. Certainly it has taken me 40 years to either experience (sometimes many times), or observe, most of the common mistakes possible in investing. And I was still making a lot of them just last year. And it has taken all of those 40 years to learn some discipline. But so far, knock on wood, this is one of my best years in a very long time. The scary part is that I know there are still mistakes to make that I haven't encountered yet, so trying to stay on my game plan. When you look at just how little a recovery the NASDAQ has made to date, it seems to me that there is time to be patient. Still, I was fully invested in my IRA until my latest partial sell of EPIQ. So, while I am being more patient than my customary "oh my gosh, I've still got a cash balance in my account, what can I buy" style, I guess I am not THAT willing to sit on the sidelines and just observe. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:42 PM Anna, Yes... is it good to know. Something along the lines of retaining a level of confidence. Some of my losses are due to impatience. I have been investing since 1992. I've managed to make money in flat years - and I even made money in 2000 - since the first 5 months were good enough to offset the losses in the next month or two. It wasn't until January where I really tried to get back in - and just got too impatient. I've realized that even 9 years at this isn't enough to meet enough different circumstances to handle them all. Maybe given Tom Worley's recent track record, 40 years is! Dave --- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: > > I am in the same boat. > > I admit that some of my losses were encountered due to inexperience > (This > is my second year of investing/trading and as we know, the most of > last > year we were mostly out of the market - at least I was :) > Downgrades did > not help either. Oh, and having that builder to buy another > one... Ouch. > Also, as David and others pointed out, stocks are testing their > pivot > points much more than before, so I find it difficult to hang onto > them > (esp. if I do not catch them right at pivot). > > However, I am also of the opinion that M has turned and am > contuning to buy > breakouts. Though it is becoming more and more frustrating.. > Thank you for sharing your thoughts - I thought I was the only one > left in > the negative column. > > Anna > > > > esetser @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 > 11:22:56 AM > > Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > cc: > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions > > > Yes, Dave, I've noticed your name starting to pop up quite a bit > again, > more like the last bull. I know some of the group have done well > this > year, but count me in with you in the loss column. At this point, > I've > only sold 1 stock for a profit this year so far, with too many to > count > losses. I am doing better since April, but I still have many > stocks that > have knocked me back out, and I seem to get stopped out everytime I > get > fully invested. I have been running around -10% to -12% for the > year so > far, and have improved that a little the last few weeks, but I'm > still far > from even. (Of course the 3 most recent analyst actions hurt, > Giving up > all my gains on CHIC and getting stopped out of COCO and RYL) > Fortunately, > I also had a good year in 2000 with a strong first quarter and a > couple of > good stocks helping me offset my many losers for the rest of the > year. > > If I could just get through a couple of weeks without an analyst > downgrade, > maybe I could get back close to even for 2001! > > At 08:20 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main > >reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and > >actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - is > >because I finally believe that M is favorable. > > > >As I pointed out earlier, I have put money in the market several > >times this year - only to come out with less than I went in with. > >I wiped out my year 2000 gains and then some. In each case, > maybe > >it was hopeful thinking. For some reason, I have noticed quite a > >few more uptrends on stocks lately - and maybe I'm starting to > feel > >in the back of my mind that we've turned around. > > > >Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List Date: 26 May 2001 10:48:05 -0600 Here's my Leader's List based on this weekend's data. I start with stocks in the DG books ranked 80/80 or better, GRS of 70 or better, AND total ADV $ of at least $500K. (I use $500K as an absolute minimum but prefer stocks at least 2-3 times higher in average trading.) I take that list and assign a composite rank (my own formula) based on each stock's EPS, RS, SMR, A/D, and GRS. This list is the top 100 or so stocks based on composite score. The list shown is ordered by composite score (best at the top). This is intended as a start to a watch list, but please do your own DD for both technical and fundamental characteristics. Standard disclaimer - I presently own MNTG, IGT, ACF, TTWO, and AMSGA from the list. RLRN SHFL MNTG IGT GPI MTH HIBB APL FLYA CHBS TRR PENN USPH PVA ACF BZH HOC TTWO BBBY MHO SHLR SLOT PDII KWK JNY CPN RECN LEN HOV AEOS COLM ANF KMP CHS CCMP NVR TKCI TOS JEC ENTG HDL CHIC WBB CRYP MOVI RYL USLB PPDI EBAY SP HOTT CIT ESR SJT PLCE SCVL NYCB RTEC AMSGA AMSGB FDS UOPX KKD EVG SUN WGOV SGR TTEK COH PHM LNCR CLKB ROOM GMCR HNP FCN DIAN DHI NRG GOSHA MINI ADVP WTSLA SBR AN TSS WTFC SFC URS RL RCII AZO KLAC EPIQ SERO DZTK RJR SRCL TARO FIC CKP BBY SASOY NFB ADVS MDCI CEC NAUT CPRT HI - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk Date: 26 May 2001 16:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Bottom line -- they need a web page programmer that is worth his/her salt. There are plenty of other sites that don't crash like this. I have been having the same problem. regards Kent Norman --- Jim Carr wrote: > Forwarded in case others are having the same > problem. Seems hard to avoid > when they launch every application in a new window. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: custcare@investors.com > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM > Subject: RE: HELP! [T20010523006X] > > > Dear Jim Carr, > > > > Thank you for your email. > > > > This can happen if you open more than one browser > window to our site. It > > can also happen on certain systems if you are > running back & forth > > through charts & other tools very quickly. > > > > If it happens again, just click the "Log Off" > button on the top left IF > > it is there (blue rectangle), close out all > browsers that are open to > > our site or our tools, and re-visit the site and > log in again. > > > > Sincerely, > > Eric > > Investor's Business Daily > > www.investors.com > > > > _____ > > > > I am constantly getting the following message > while I am on the site: > > > > > > Your account is currently in use. > > > > Your user name and password are currently logged > into our system. > > > > Our system will only allow one log in session at a > time for each unique > > user name and password combination. If you feel > that an unauthorized > > individual is using your user name and password, > and you are certain > > that you have not shared this information, please > contact us at > > > custcare@investors.com. > > > > > > It typically occurs when I am viewing charts. The > chart window will > > close and I have to close all browser windows with > IBD pages, reopen > > them, relogin, and get back to where I was. It > happens about once every > > thirty minutes. This is getting annoying as hell. > Can you please take > > a look and see if you can find the source of the > problem. > > > > Thanks > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk Date: 26 May 2001 18:36:39 -0500 It's nice to know it wasn't just me. I have the same problem now and then when I am running only 1 instance of their web page. They suggested I delete the plotwon control file and it would reload next time I requested a chart. Haven't tried it yet tho. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:02 PM > Bottom line -- they need a web page programmer that is > worth his/her salt. > > There are plenty of other sites that don't crash like > this. > > I have been having the same problem. > > regards > Kent Norman > > --- Jim Carr wrote: > > Forwarded in case others are having the same > > problem. Seems hard to avoid > > when they launch every application in a new window. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: custcare@investors.com > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM > > Subject: RE: HELP! [T20010523006X] > > > > > Dear Jim Carr, > > > > > > Thank you for your email. > > > > > > This can happen if you open more than one browser > > window to our site. It > > > can also happen on certain systems if you are > > running back & forth > > > through charts & other tools very quickly. > > > > > > If it happens again, just click the "Log Off" > > button on the top left IF > > > it is there (blue rectangle), close out all > > browsers that are open to > > > our site or our tools, and re-visit the site and > > log in again. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Eric > > > Investor's Business Daily > > > www.investors.com > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > I am constantly getting the following message > > while I am on the site: > > > > > > > > > Your account is currently in use. > > > > > > Your user name and password are currently logged > > into our system. > > > > > > Our system will only allow one log in session at a > > time for each unique > > > user name and password combination. If you feel > > that an unauthorized > > > individual is using your user name and password, > > and you are certain > > > that you have not shared this information, please > > contact us at > > > > > custcare@investors.com. > > > > > > > > > It typically occurs when I am viewing charts. The > > chart window will > > > close and I have to close all browser windows with > > IBD pages, reopen > > > them, relogin, and get back to where I was. It > > happens about once every > > > thirty minutes. This is getting annoying as hell. > > Can you please take > > > a look and see if you can find the source of the > > problem. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] Margin change Date: 26 May 2001 19:48:48 -0600 In September the margin rules are changing, not for everyone, but possibly some of us. Here is an excerpt from an Alan Farley article about how this will work. Unfortunately, I think I am going to fall within this description for the occasional short term trades I like to make. Pattern Day Trader does not refer to the scalper who uses a chart to make buying and selling decisions. It denotes the "black mark" that your broker-dealer must place on your account if you violate a new SEC rule, starting this September. The PDT is anyone who completes 4 or more intraday round trips in a consecutive 5-day period. Once you are marked as a PDT, you must maintain $25,000 or more in your trading account or it will be reverted from margin to cash status. This sounds simple enough at first glance. So simple that it was heavily supported by the brokerage industry when the rule was first proposed in early 2000. At that time, there was an endless supply of new talent that the brokers expected to open accounts for. They were also willing to do anything they could to get the stigma of day trading (and SEC audit trails) off of their backs. And many direct-access brokers already had a $25K or more account requirement, so they felt there was little to lose in going along with the proposal. But that was then, and this is now. The trading industry has fallen on hard times in the falling market. Account growth has stagnated or declined at many firms. Many direct-access broker-dealers are becoming painfully aware how much they depend upon small trading accounts at discount houses to train their future clients. Many new retail traders use the lower risk of small discount accounts to build their intraday execution skills (and profits), so they can someday transfer to direct-access. But soon this core talent will be getting very unfriendly mail telling them to change their methods, or place new funds into their accounts. This will likely cut off the major source of direct-access growth. But the rules affect only day traders, right? Wrong. Consider this: in volatile markets, how often do you realize you've made a terrible mistake just after entering a new position trade? Wise risk management tells you to get out immediately in that situation. Now what happens if you run a bad steak and find yourself doing this 4 times in one week? You've just become a Pattern Day Trader. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shelley Lowenstein" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List Date: 27 May 2001 02:07:40 -0400 what's the prognosis on ACF?? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:48 PM > Here's my Leader's List based on this weekend's data. I start with stocks > in the DG books ranked 80/80 or better, GRS of 70 or better, AND total ADV > $ of at least $500K. (I use $500K as an absolute minimum but prefer stocks > at least 2-3 times higher in average trading.) I take that list and assign > a composite rank (my own formula) based on each stock's EPS, RS, SMR, A/D, > and GRS. This list is the top 100 or so stocks based on composite score. > The list shown is ordered by composite score (best at the top). This is > intended as a start to a watch list, but please do your own DD for both > technical and fundamental characteristics. > > Standard disclaimer - I presently own MNTG, IGT, ACF, TTWO, and AMSGA from > the list. > > RLRN > SHFL > MNTG > IGT > GPI > MTH > HIBB > APL > FLYA > CHBS > TRR > PENN > USPH > PVA > ACF > BZH > HOC > TTWO > BBBY > MHO > SHLR > SLOT > PDII > KWK > JNY > CPN > RECN > LEN > HOV > AEOS > COLM > ANF > KMP > CHS > CCMP > NVR > TKCI > TOS > JEC > ENTG > HDL > CHIC > WBB > CRYP > MOVI > RYL > USLB > PPDI > EBAY > SP > HOTT > CIT > ESR > SJT > PLCE > SCVL > NYCB > RTEC > AMSGA > AMSGB > FDS > UOPX > KKD > EVG > SUN > WGOV > SGR > TTEK > COH > PHM > LNCR > CLKB > ROOM > GMCR > HNP > FCN > DIAN > DHI > NRG > GOSHA > MINI > ADVP > WTSLA > SBR > AN > TSS > WTFC > SFC > URS > RL > RCII > AZO > KLAC > EPIQ > SERO > DZTK > RJR > SRCL > TARO > FIC > CKP > BBY > SASOY > NFB > ADVS > MDCI > CEC > NAUT > CPRT > HI > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO List - Part Two Date: 27 May 2001 08:41:01 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0E688.C3050240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RL - saucer or flat cup? EFDS - LLUR, bounced off the 50 DMA FNFG - B3 FLM - B5, trending up until late in the week RYAN - B3 RWT - B2 CRT - B2+ ICBC - B4 AVD - B2 BCF - B4 RBNC - B4 FDO - handle forming BBX - B4 SOTR - LLUR TJX - B2 BANR - B3+ CMSB - B2 MVBI - B3 ACV - saucer Lots of banks this week Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0E688.C3050240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
RL - saucer or flat cup?
EFDS - LLUR, bounced off the 50 DMA
FNFG - B3
FLM - B5, trending up until late in the = week
RYAN - B3
RWT - B2
CRT - B2+
ICBC - B4
AVD - B2
BCF - B4
RBNC - B4
FDO - handle forming
BBX - B4
SOTR - LLUR
TJX - B2
BANR - B3+
CMSB - B2
MVBI - B3
ACV - saucer
 
Lots of banks this week
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0E688.C3050240-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Walter Stock Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] For Walter Stock Date: 27 May 2001 12:32:54 -0400 Hi Tim, Interesting find. Canslim ratings for TA are 81/87/C/_/B. Timeliness is B. Float is 167 million shares. Funds own 10%, banks own 0%, mgmt owns 1%. Avol is 640,700. Up/down vol ratio 1.7, zero% debt, and the PE is 26. The DGO relative strength line is close to but not quite in new high territory. For those who have DGO, you can access Canadian Stocks traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange by putting the prefix 5 in front of the stock symbol (e.g. to display TA on DGO, you type in 5TA). Sorry for the delay in answering the email, but I am mostly a lurker these days. Last fall, I took an intensive full-time series of trading courses in Toronto, and now I trade professionally during the day. I still think this is the best list on the web though, and I check in weekly or so. Walter Stock Oakville, ON, Canada Tim Fisher wrote: > Hey Walter, check out TA.TO. We are doing tons of work for these guys, and > I would like to know from someone on the north of the border what their > fundies look like. Their chart is beautiful, wish I had Canadian stocks > included in the scans I use! > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List Date: 27 May 2001 09:48:48 -0700 It is ripe for a pullback, rollover, and beginning to do so, IM(H)O. More risk than reward here. Shelley Lowenstein wrote: > what's the prognosis on ACF?? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "esetser" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:48 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List > > > Here's my Leader's List based on this weekend's data. I start with stocks > > in the DG books ranked 80/80 or better, GRS of 70 or better, AND total ADV > > $ of at least $500K. (I use $500K as an absolute minimum but prefer > stocks > > at least 2-3 times higher in average trading.) I take that list and > assign > > a composite rank (my own formula) based on each stock's EPS, RS, SMR, A/D, > > and GRS. This list is the top 100 or so stocks based on composite score. > > The list shown is ordered by composite score (best at the top). This is > > intended as a start to a watch list, but please do your own DD for both > > technical and fundamental characteristics. > > > > Standard disclaimer - I presently own MNTG, IGT, ACF, TTWO, and AMSGA from > > the list. > > > > RLRN > > SHFL > > MNTG > > IGT > > GPI > > MTH > > HIBB > > APL > > FLYA > > CHBS > > TRR > > PENN > > USPH > > PVA > > ACF > > BZH > > HOC > > TTWO > > BBBY > > MHO > > SHLR > > SLOT > > PDII > > KWK > > JNY > > CPN > > RECN > > LEN > > HOV > > AEOS > > COLM > > ANF > > KMP > > CHS > > CCMP > > NVR > > TKCI > > TOS > > JEC > > ENTG > > HDL > > CHIC > > WBB > > CRYP > > MOVI > > RYL > > USLB > > PPDI > > EBAY > > SP > > HOTT > > CIT > > ESR > > SJT > > PLCE > > SCVL > > NYCB > > RTEC > > AMSGA > > AMSGB > > FDS > > UOPX > > KKD > > EVG > > SUN > > WGOV > > SGR > > TTEK > > COH > > PHM > > LNCR > > CLKB > > ROOM > > GMCR > > HNP > > FCN > > DIAN > > DHI > > NRG > > GOSHA > > MINI > > ADVP > > WTSLA > > SBR > > AN > > TSS > > WTFC > > SFC > > URS > > RL > > RCII > > AZO > > KLAC > > EPIQ > > SERO > > DZTK > > RJR > > SRCL > > TARO > > FIC > > CKP > > BBY > > SASOY > > NFB > > ADVS > > MDCI > > CEC > > NAUT > > CPRT > > HI > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk Date: 27 May 2001 10:55:04 -0700 (PDT) If it happens to several people, the chances are that nothing you do on your end will matter. I prefer to use Netscape. Their site insists on I.E.. That is one clue that their web people have made decisions that restrict them to the quirks of one browser (yes I know there are more than 2 browsers in the world, but the others are negligible.) I say this assuming there is not a mass breakout of misconfigured browsers - which I doubt since other web sites would also be in trouble. Regards Kent Norman --- Norman wrote: > It's nice to know it wasn't just me. I have the > same problem now and then > when I am running only 1 instance of their web page. > They suggested I > delete the plotwon control file and it would reload > next time I requested a > chart. Haven't tried it yet tho. > > Norm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Norman" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk > > > > Bottom line -- they need a web page programmer > that is > > worth his/her salt. > > > > There are plenty of other sites that don't crash > like > > this. > > > > I have been having the same problem. > > > > regards > > Kent Norman > > > > --- Jim Carr wrote: > > > Forwarded in case others are having the same > > > problem. Seems hard to avoid > > > when they launch every application in a new > window. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: custcare@investors.com > > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM > > > Subject: RE: HELP! [T20010523006X] > > > > > > > Dear Jim Carr, > > > > > > > > Thank you for your email. > > > > > > > > This can happen if you open more than one > browser > > > window to our site. It > > > > can also happen on certain systems if you are > > > running back & forth > > > > through charts & other tools very quickly. > > > > > > > > If it happens again, just click the "Log Off" > > > button on the top left IF > > > > it is there (blue rectangle), close out all > > > browsers that are open to > > > > our site or our tools, and re-visit the site > and > > > log in again. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Eric > > > > Investor's Business Daily > > > > www.investors.com > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > I am constantly getting the following message > > > while I am on the site: > > > > > > > > > > > > Your account is currently in use. > > > > > > > > Your user name and password are currently > logged > > > into our system. > > > > > > > > Our system will only allow one log in session > at a > > > time for each unique > > > > user name and password combination. If you > feel > > > that an unauthorized > > > > individual is using your user name and > password, > > > and you are certain > > > > that you have not shared this information, > please > > > contact us at > > > > > > > custcare@investors.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > It typically occurs when I am viewing charts. > The > > > chart window will > > > > close and I have to close all browser windows > with > > > IBD pages, reopen > > > > them, relogin, and get back to where I was. > It > > > happens about once every > > > > thirty minutes. This is getting annoying as > hell. > > > Can you please take > > > > a look and see if you can find the source of > the > > > problem. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List Date: 27 May 2001 11:10:46 -0700 (PDT) 1. Ignore Friday's drop on low volume due to the holiday. 2. since the breakout there has been a distribution day on 4/30 (possible end of month activity?, 5/9 (higher volume than prev day, but only ADV) 3. MACD (if you are even interested since it is not CANSLIM) is still good. 4. Looks like short term pause base since the recent run up (to be expected). It has had 2 before 4/18 - 4/25 and 5/9 - 5/14. 5. rated 99, 98 A, A, A 6. Here is a rare one - It is "best in group" on all 4 scales by IBD (best in group, Overall, Technical, Fundamental and Attractiveness Rank) 7. Up ~40% in 4 weeks Regards Kent Norman --- Shelley Lowenstein wrote: > what's the prognosis on ACF?? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: [CANSLIM] TUTR Date: 27 May 2001 17:37:06 -0400 Did TUTR break out last week, or can I look at the broader 7-month base?(lousy EPS). Same with ADVS. Is HOC too far extended? The volume is excellent. Same with APL? TARO - LLUR? Good time to get in? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: [CANSLIM] NAZ 100 due to fall back Date: 27 May 2001 14:39:49 -0700 (PDT) I just looked at the individual stocks that comprise the Nasdaq 100. Just about all of them are near the top of their price channels indicating a sell off is due. Although not directly related to CS, it helps keep an eye on the general M. Regards Kent Norman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 27 May 2001 17:43:16 EDT Anna: Why should it be given even more significance? I interpret it as many individuals buying the day before the holiday weekend; meanwhile, most of those using institutional money are out of the market Friday. If institutional money managers hadn't (as is my belief) taken Friday off, then I'd agree, it looks like churning. I'd see what happens Tuesday-because (except for Friday) the chart does look nice. jans In a message dated 5/25/2001 2:53:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: << Oh yes, you guys have a day off on Monday. I fogot about that. Have fun. May I ask what you mean by that? Would you mistrust a breakout on 200% ADV because it is on a slow day? Should it not be given even more significance? Anna >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sisyphus" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk Date: 27 May 2001 15:03:25 -0700 Yes, this insistence on MSIE is ridiculous, evidence that their webmaster= is, well, not very good. Also annoying are the persistent Flash 5.0 download windows. I don't want= to download Flash 5.0, and I don't want to be nagged about it, either. John *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/27/2001 at 10:55 AM Kent Norman wrote: >If it happens to several people, the chances are that >nothing you do on your end will matter. > >I prefer to use Netscape. Their site insists on I.E.. >That is one clue that their web people have made >decisions that restrict them to the quirks of one >browser (yes I know there are more than 2 browsers in >the world, but the others are negligible.) > >I say this assuming there is not a mass breakout of >misconfigured browsers - which I doubt since other web >sites would also be in trouble. > >Regards >Kent Norman - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List Date: 27 May 2001 16:33:50 -0600 I don't know if it will rollover, but I don't see any signs of it now, appears to be consolidating. What is indicating rollover to you? On 27 May 01, at 9:48, Dan wrote: > It is ripe for a pullback, rollover, and beginning to do so, IM(H)O. More risk > than reward here. > > Shelley Lowenstein wrote: > > > what's the prognosis on ACF?? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "esetser" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:48 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List > > > > > Here's my Leader's List based on this weekend's data. I start with stocks > > > in the DG books ranked 80/80 or better, GRS of 70 or better, AND total ADV > > > $ of at least $500K. (I use $500K as an absolute minimum but prefer > > stocks > > > at least 2-3 times higher in average trading.) I take that list and > > assign > > > a composite rank (my own formula) based on each stock's EPS, RS, SMR, A/D, > > > and GRS. This list is the top 100 or so stocks based on composite score. > > > The list shown is ordered by composite score (best at the top). This is > > > intended as a start to a watch list, but please do your own DD for both > > > technical and fundamental characteristics. > > > > > > Standard disclaimer - I presently own MNTG, IGT, ACF, TTWO, and AMSGA from > > > the list. > > > > > > RLRN > > > SHFL > > > MNTG > > > IGT > > > GPI > > > MTH > > > HIBB > > > APL > > > FLYA > > > CHBS > > > TRR > > > PENN > > > USPH > > > PVA > > > ACF > > > BZH > > > HOC > > > TTWO > > > BBBY > > > MHO > > > SHLR > > > SLOT > > > PDII > > > KWK > > > JNY > > > CPN > > > RECN > > > LEN > > > HOV > > > AEOS > > > COLM > > > ANF > > > KMP > > > CHS > > > CCMP > > > NVR > > > TKCI > > > TOS > > > JEC > > > ENTG > > > HDL > > > CHIC > > > WBB > > > CRYP > > > MOVI > > > RYL > > > USLB > > > PPDI > > > EBAY > > > SP > > > HOTT > > > CIT > > > ESR > > > SJT > > > PLCE > > > SCVL > > > NYCB > > > RTEC > > > AMSGA > > > AMSGB > > > FDS > > > UOPX > > > KKD > > > EVG > > > SUN > > > WGOV > > > SGR > > > TTEK > > > COH > > > PHM > > > LNCR > > > CLKB > > > ROOM > > > GMCR > > > HNP > > > FCN > > > DIAN > > > DHI > > > NRG > > > GOSHA > > > MINI > > > ADVP > > > WTSLA > > > SBR > > > AN > > > TSS > > > WTFC > > > SFC > > > URS > > > RL > > > RCII > > > AZO > > > KLAC > > > EPIQ > > > SERO > > > DZTK > > > RJR > > > SRCL > > > TARO > > > FIC > > > CKP > > > BBY > > > SASOY > > > NFB > > > ADVS > > > MDCI > > > CEC > > > NAUT > > > CPRT > > > HI > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List Date: 27 May 2001 16:09:07 -0700 Rollover is probably misstated, but surely a pullback and consolidation for a time. I see distinct divergences in the indicators I watch after a rather sharp runup in a short time: MACD-Hist made a lower peak at the resent high, the prior one was 4-20 (not the stock but the MH) the stoch, roc are all diverging. Just curious and parenthetically, where would you have taken position(s) this year? Dan Patrick Wahl wrote: > I don't know if it will rollover, but I don't see any signs of it now, > appears to be consolidating. What is indicating rollover to you? > > On 27 May 01, at 9:48, Dan wrote: > > > It is ripe for a pullback, rollover, and beginning to do so, IM(H)O. More risk > > than reward here. > > > > Shelley Lowenstein wrote: > > > > > what's the prognosis on ACF?? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "esetser" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:48 PM > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List > > > > > > > Here's my Leader's List based on this weekend's data. I start with stocks > > > > in the DG books ranked 80/80 or better, GRS of 70 or better, AND total ADV > > > > $ of at least $500K. (I use $500K as an absolute minimum but prefer > > > stocks > > > > at least 2-3 times higher in average trading.) I take that list and > > > assign > > > > a composite rank (my own formula) based on each stock's EPS, RS, SMR, A/D, > > > > and GRS. This list is the top 100 or so stocks based on composite score. > > > > The list shown is ordered by composite score (best at the top). This is > > > > intended as a start to a watch list, but please do your own DD for both > > > > technical and fundamental characteristics. > > > > > > > > Standard disclaimer - I presently own MNTG, IGT, ACF, TTWO, and AMSGA from > > > > the list. > > > > > > > > RLRN > > > > SHFL > > > > MNTG > > > > IGT > > > > GPI > > > > MTH > > > > HIBB > > > > APL > > > > FLYA > > > > CHBS > > > > TRR > > > > PENN > > > > USPH > > > > PVA > > > > ACF > > > > BZH > > > > HOC > > > > TTWO > > > > BBBY > > > > MHO > > > > SHLR > > > > SLOT > > > > PDII > > > > KWK > > > > JNY > > > > CPN > > > > RECN > > > > LEN > > > > HOV > > > > AEOS > > > > COLM > > > > ANF > > > > KMP > > > > CHS > > > > CCMP > > > > NVR > > > > TKCI > > > > TOS > > > > JEC > > > > ENTG > > > > HDL > > > > CHIC > > > > WBB > > > > CRYP > > > > MOVI > > > > RYL > > > > USLB > > > > PPDI > > > > EBAY > > > > SP > > > > HOTT > > > > CIT > > > > ESR > > > > SJT > > > > PLCE > > > > SCVL > > > > NYCB > > > > RTEC > > > > AMSGA > > > > AMSGB > > > > FDS > > > > UOPX > > > > KKD > > > > EVG > > > > SUN > > > > WGOV > > > > SGR > > > > TTEK > > > > COH > > > > PHM > > > > LNCR > > > > CLKB > > > > ROOM > > > > GMCR > > > > HNP > > > > FCN > > > > DIAN > > > > DHI > > > > NRG > > > > GOSHA > > > > MINI > > > > ADVP > > > > WTSLA > > > > SBR > > > > AN > > > > TSS > > > > WTFC > > > > SFC > > > > URS > > > > RL > > > > RCII > > > > AZO > > > > KLAC > > > > EPIQ > > > > SERO > > > > DZTK > > > > RJR > > > > SRCL > > > > TARO > > > > FIC > > > > CKP > > > > BBY > > > > SASOY > > > > NFB > > > > ADVS > > > > MDCI > > > > CEC > > > > NAUT > > > > CPRT > > > > HI > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ACF - -- - My Leader's List Date: 27 May 2001 19:00:17 -0500 ACF is trending so divergent oscillators should be ignored. Strong trends often need double or triple divergences on oscillators to signal a significant correction. It looks like an extremely constructive pullback to me. Narrow range and light volume preceded buy a heavy volume rally. JMO, of course! BTW, this is a non-CS entry if you buy here. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 6:09 PM > Rollover is probably misstated, but surely a pullback and consolidation for a time. > I see distinct divergences in the indicators I watch after a rather sharp runup in a > short time: MACD-Hist made a lower peak at the resent high, the prior one was 4-20 > (not the stock but the MH) the stoch, roc are all diverging. > > Just curious and parenthetically, where would you have taken position(s) this year? > > Dan > > Patrick Wahl wrote: > > > I don't know if it will rollover, but I don't see any signs of it now, > > appears to be consolidating. What is indicating rollover to you? > > > > On 27 May 01, at 9:48, Dan wrote: > > > > > It is ripe for a pullback, rollover, and beginning to do so, IM(H)O. More risk > > > than reward here. > > > > > > Shelley Lowenstein wrote: > > > > > > > what's the prognosis on ACF?? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "esetser" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:48 PM > > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List > > > > > > > > > Here's my Leader's List based on this weekend's data. I start with stocks > > > > > in the DG books ranked 80/80 or better, GRS of 70 or better, AND total ADV > > > > > $ of at least $500K. (I use $500K as an absolute minimum but prefer > > > > stocks > > > > > at least 2-3 times higher in average trading.) I take that list and > > > > assign > > > > > a composite rank (my own formula) based on each stock's EPS, RS, SMR, A/D, > > > > > and GRS. This list is the top 100 or so stocks based on composite score. > > > > > The list shown is ordered by composite score (best at the top). This is > > > > > intended as a start to a watch list, but please do your own DD for both > > > > > technical and fundamental characteristics. > > > > > > > > > > Standard disclaimer - I presently own MNTG, IGT, ACF, TTWO, and AMSGA from > > > > > the list. > > > > > > > > > > RLRN > > > > > SHFL > > > > > MNTG > > > > > IGT > > > > > GPI > > > > > MTH > > > > > HIBB > > > > > APL > > > > > FLYA > > > > > CHBS > > > > > TRR > > > > > PENN > > > > > USPH > > > > > PVA > > > > > ACF > > > > > BZH > > > > > HOC > > > > > TTWO > > > > > BBBY > > > > > MHO > > > > > SHLR > > > > > SLOT > > > > > PDII > > > > > KWK > > > > > JNY > > > > > CPN > > > > > RECN > > > > > LEN > > > > > HOV > > > > > AEOS > > > > > COLM > > > > > ANF > > > > > KMP > > > > > CHS > > > > > CCMP > > > > > NVR > > > > > TKCI > > > > > TOS > > > > > JEC > > > > > ENTG > > > > > HDL > > > > > CHIC > > > > > WBB > > > > > CRYP > > > > > MOVI > > > > > RYL > > > > > USLB > > > > > PPDI > > > > > EBAY > > > > > SP > > > > > HOTT > > > > > CIT > > > > > ESR > > > > > SJT > > > > > PLCE > > > > > SCVL > > > > > NYCB > > > > > RTEC > > > > > AMSGA > > > > > AMSGB > > > > > FDS > > > > > UOPX > > > > > KKD > > > > > EVG > > > > > SUN > > > > > WGOV > > > > > SGR > > > > > TTEK > > > > > COH > > > > > PHM > > > > > LNCR > > > > > CLKB > > > > > ROOM > > > > > GMCR > > > > > HNP > > > > > FCN > > > > > DIAN > > > > > DHI > > > > > NRG > > > > > GOSHA > > > > > MINI > > > > > ADVP > > > > > WTSLA > > > > > SBR > > > > > AN > > > > > TSS > > > > > WTFC > > > > > SFC > > > > > URS > > > > > RL > > > > > RCII > > > > > AZO > > > > > KLAC > > > > > EPIQ > > > > > SERO > > > > > DZTK > > > > > RJR > > > > > SRCL > > > > > TARO > > > > > FIC > > > > > CKP > > > > > BBY > > > > > SASOY > > > > > NFB > > > > > ADVS > > > > > MDCI > > > > > CEC > > > > > NAUT > > > > > CPRT > > > > > HI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rolf hertenstein" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 27 May 2001 18:22:12 -0600 Pardon the ignorance, but ADV? Advancing volume = total volume - declining volume? Thanks - Rolf > You will typically find that stocks with small ADV are either > small cap stocks, or have such a small float that they are > "handled" as if they are small caps. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ARTL95@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 27 May 2001 20:42:25 EDT Hi, Are there mutual funds that follow O'Neil's CANSLIM system of investing? If so, which ones? Arthur - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 27 May 2001 21:30:30 -0400 ADV is Average Daily Volume. Different sites calculate it differently, I use DGO, where it is a simple average of volume over the past 50 days. HIBB has a market cap of $266 million, so not quite a small cap, but a float of only 3.5 million shares (of the issue of 6.5 mil, or $143 mil) so it tends to trade like a small cap stock. To consider advancing vs declining volume, you have to look at the Up/Down Ratio, which is a strong 2.2 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 8:22 PM Pardon the ignorance, but ADV? Advancing volume = total volume - declining volume? Thanks - Rolf > You will typically find that stocks with small ADV are either > small cap stocks, or have such a small float that they are > "handled" as if they are small caps. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 27 May 2001 21:33:20 -0400 Many years ago, something like 80% of the top 50 performing growth oriented mutual funds were clients of WON. Doesn't mean they all practiced CANSLIM, just used his data. I am not aware of any fund that actively states that they use his system, even if they are. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 8:42 PM Hi, Are there mutual funds that follow O'Neil's CANSLIM system of investing? If so, which ones? Arthur - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TUTR Date: 27 May 2001 21:42:10 -0400 TUTR - broke out Wednesday ADVS - b/o 5/17, confused chart, maybe still within pivot range, I use their software at work HOC - best buy point was last Dec in the 14-16 range, I don't see a present support base to work from APL - same story except late March at 25, also way extended now TARO - I would prefer to buy it closer to the 50 DMA, and especially not after a sharp rebound like Friday's Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:37 PM Did TUTR break out last week, or can I look at the broader 7-month base?(lousy EPS). Same with ADVS. Is HOC too far extended? The volume is excellent. Same with APL? TARO - LLUR? Good time to get in? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List Date: 27 May 2001 20:27:48 -0600 I On 27 May 01, at 16:09, Dan wrote: > Rollover is probably misstated, but surely a pullback and consolidation for a time. > I see distinct divergences in the indicators I watch after a rather sharp runup in a > short time: MACD-Hist made a lower peak at the resent high, the prior one was 4-20 > (not the stock but the MH) the stoch, roc are all diverging. I'm more simplistic, I see a flag forming on a strongly trending stock, but it would be a short term trade, not canslim type stuff. I agree it is extended for any type of intermediate term hold, but momentum could carry it a bit further before it sells off a bit. > > Just curious and parenthetically, where would you have taken position(s) this year? > There are a few bases of short duration - one obvious place would be 1/11, although that would have been a tough one to catch before it got past the pivot point. I also notice you would have had a loss for at least a couple of days 2 months later, before it resumed another run. It also formed a brief flag from 4/20 to 4/25. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Oken" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions Date: 27 May 2001 20:47:15 -0700 In case you all are forgetting the Nasdaq is still down 8.88% for the year and the S&P 500 is down 3.21%. Only the Dow is up (2.03%). If you take a weighted average of the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P, the overall market is down 3.31% for the year. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:22 AM > Yes, Dave, I've noticed your name starting to pop up quite a bit again, > more like the last bull. I know some of the group have done well this > year, but count me in with you in the loss column. At this point, I've > only sold 1 stock for a profit this year so far, with too many to count > losses. I am doing better since April, but I still have many stocks that > have knocked me back out, and I seem to get stopped out everytime I get > fully invested. I have been running around -10% to -12% for the year so > far, and have improved that a little the last few weeks, but I'm still far > from even. (Of course the 3 most recent analyst actions hurt, Giving up > all my gains on CHIC and getting stopped out of COCO and RYL) Fortunately, > I also had a good year in 2000 with a strong first quarter and a couple of > good stocks helping me offset my many losers for the rest of the year. > > If I could just get through a couple of weeks without an analyst downgrade, > maybe I could get back close to even for 2001! > > At 08:20 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main > >reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and > >actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - is > >because I finally believe that M is favorable. > > > >As I pointed out earlier, I have put money in the market several > >times this year - only to come out with less than I went in with. > >I wiped out my year 2000 gains and then some. In each case, maybe > >it was hopeful thinking. For some reason, I have noticed quite a > >few more uptrends on stocks lately - and maybe I'm starting to feel > >in the back of my mind that we've turned around. > > > >Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List Date: 27 May 2001 22:17:35 -0600 As a holding, I'm very happy with the stock. It has been stair-stepping up with most of the larger volume days moving up nicely. It has also pulled back a couple of times, but only for a few days, and generally on lower volume. As a new purchase, I would consider ACF too extended to pick up as a CANSLIM purchase right now. At 02:07 AM 5/27/01 -0400, you wrote: >what's the prognosis on ACF?? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "esetser" >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:48 PM >Subject: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List > > >> Here's my Leader's List based on this weekend's data. I start with stocks >> in the DG books ranked 80/80 or better, GRS of 70 or better, AND total ADV >> $ of at least $500K. (I use $500K as an absolute minimum but prefer >stocks >> at least 2-3 times higher in average trading.) I take that list and >assign >> a composite rank (my own formula) based on each stock's EPS, RS, SMR, A/D, >> and GRS. This list is the top 100 or so stocks based on composite score. >> The list shown is ordered by composite score (best at the top). This is >> intended as a start to a watch list, but please do your own DD for both >> technical and fundamental characteristics. >> >> Standard disclaimer - I presently own MNTG, IGT, ACF, TTWO, and AMSGA from >> the list. >> >> RLRN >> SHFL >> MNTG >> IGT >> GPI >> MTH >> HIBB >> APL >> FLYA >> CHBS >> TRR >> PENN >> USPH >> PVA >> ACF >> BZH >> HOC >> TTWO >> BBBY >> MHO >> SHLR >> SLOT >> PDII >> KWK >> JNY >> CPN >> RECN >> LEN >> HOV >> AEOS >> COLM >> ANF >> KMP >> CHS >> CCMP >> NVR >> TKCI >> TOS >> JEC >> ENTG >> HDL >> CHIC >> WBB >> CRYP >> MOVI >> RYL >> USLB >> PPDI >> EBAY >> SP >> HOTT >> CIT >> ESR >> SJT >> PLCE >> SCVL >> NYCB >> RTEC >> AMSGA >> AMSGB >> FDS >> UOPX >> KKD >> EVG >> SUN >> WGOV >> SGR >> TTEK >> COH >> PHM >> LNCR >> CLKB >> ROOM >> GMCR >> HNP >> FCN >> DIAN >> DHI >> NRG >> GOSHA >> MINI >> ADVP >> WTSLA >> SBR >> AN >> TSS >> WTFC >> SFC >> URS >> RL >> RCII >> AZO >> KLAC >> EPIQ >> SERO >> DZTK >> RJR >> SRCL >> TARO >> FIC >> CKP >> BBY >> SASOY >> NFB >> ADVS >> MDCI >> CEC >> NAUT >> CPRT >> HI >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk Date: 27 May 2001 22:20:25 -0600 You can use Netscape with investors.com. The only issue is this: when they do an update, you have to bring up IE to get the latest changes loaded. After that, Netscape will work fine until the next update. At 10:55 AM 5/27/01 -0700, you wrote: >If it happens to several people, the chances are that >nothing you do on your end will matter. > >I prefer to use Netscape. Their site insists on I.E.. >That is one clue that their web people have made >decisions that restrict them to the quirks of one >browser (yes I know there are more than 2 browsers in >the world, but the others are negligible.) > >I say this assuming there is not a mass breakout of >misconfigured browsers - which I doubt since other web >sites would also be in trouble. > >Regards >Kent Norman > >--- Norman wrote: >> It's nice to know it wasn't just me. I have the >> same problem now and then >> when I am running only 1 instance of their web page. >> They suggested I >> delete the plotwon control file and it would reload >> next time I requested a >> chart. Haven't tried it yet tho. >> >> Norm >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kent Norman" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk >> >> >> > Bottom line -- they need a web page programmer >> that is >> > worth his/her salt. >> > >> > There are plenty of other sites that don't crash >> like >> > this. >> > >> > I have been having the same problem. >> > >> > regards >> > Kent Norman >> > >> > --- Jim Carr wrote: >> > > Forwarded in case others are having the same >> > > problem. Seems hard to avoid >> > > when they launch every application in a new >> window. >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: custcare@investors.com >> > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM >> > > Subject: RE: HELP! [T20010523006X] >> > > >> > > > Dear Jim Carr, >> > > > >> > > > Thank you for your email. >> > > > >> > > > This can happen if you open more than one >> browser >> > > window to our site. It >> > > > can also happen on certain systems if you are >> > > running back & forth >> > > > through charts & other tools very quickly. >> > > > >> > > > If it happens again, just click the "Log Off" >> > > button on the top left IF >> > > > it is there (blue rectangle), close out all >> > > browsers that are open to >> > > > our site or our tools, and re-visit the site >> and >> > > log in again. >> > > > >> > > > Sincerely, >> > > > Eric >> > > > Investor's Business Daily >> > > > www.investors.com >> > > > >> > > > _____ >> > > > >> > > > I am constantly getting the following message >> > > while I am on the site: >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Your account is currently in use. >> > > > >> > > > Your user name and password are currently >> logged >> > > into our system. >> > > > >> > > > Our system will only allow one log in session >> at a >> > > time for each unique >> > > > user name and password combination. 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(I look for 7 week bases generally!!) APL - Yes, same reasons. TARO - Seems to have excellent support at the 50 day MA. Looks pretty LLURish to me, although this isn't a pattern I have any experience with. However, if I was considering fishing here, I would look to get in within 5% or so of the 50 day MA. That would put the maximum buy price around 52, so I would say it is a little high. If anything, it looks to be in the middle of the trading channel to me. At 05:37 PM 5/27/01 -0400, you wrote: >Did TUTR break out last week, or can I look at the broader 7-month >base?(lousy EPS). Same with ADVS. > >Is HOC too far extended? The volume is excellent. Same with APL? > >TARO - LLUR? Good time to get in? > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". 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At 04:09 PM 5/27/01 -0700, you wrote: >Rollover is probably misstated, but surely a pullback and consolidation for a time. >I see distinct divergences in the indicators I watch after a rather sharp runup in a >short time: MACD-Hist made a lower peak at the resent high, the prior one was 4-20 >(not the stock but the MH) the stoch, roc are all diverging. > >Just curious and parenthetically, where would you have taken position(s) this year? > >Dan > >Patrick Wahl wrote: > >> I don't know if it will rollover, but I don't see any signs of it now, >> appears to be consolidating. What is indicating rollover to you? >> >> On 27 May 01, at 9:48, Dan wrote: >> >> > It is ripe for a pullback, rollover, and beginning to do so, IM(H)O. More risk >> > than reward here. >> > >> > Shelley Lowenstein wrote: >> > >> > > what's the prognosis on ACF?? >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "esetser" >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:48 PM >> > > Subject: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List >> > > >> > > > Here's my Leader's List based on this weekend's data. I start with stocks >> > > > in the DG books ranked 80/80 or better, GRS of 70 or better, AND total ADV >> > > > $ of at least $500K. (I use $500K as an absolute minimum but prefer >> > > stocks >> > > > at least 2-3 times higher in average trading.) I take that list and >> > > assign >> > > > a composite rank (my own formula) based on each stock's EPS, RS, SMR, A/D, >> > > > and GRS. This list is the top 100 or so stocks based on composite score. >> > > > The list shown is ordered by composite score (best at the top). This is >> > > > intended as a start to a watch list, but please do your own DD for both >> > > > technical and fundamental characteristics. >> > > > >> > > > Standard disclaimer - I presently own MNTG, IGT, ACF, TTWO, and AMSGA from >> > > > the list. >> > > > >> > > > RLRN >> > > > SHFL >> > > > MNTG >> > > > IGT >> > > > GPI >> > > > MTH >> > > > HIBB >> > > > APL >> > > > FLYA >> > > > CHBS >> > > > TRR >> > > > PENN >> > > > USPH >> > > > PVA >> > > > ACF >> > > > BZH >> > > > HOC >> > > > TTWO >> > > > BBBY >> > > > MHO >> > > > SHLR >> > > > SLOT >> > > > PDII >> > > > KWK >> > > > JNY >> > > > CPN >> > > > RECN >> > > > LEN >> > > > HOV >> > > > AEOS >> > > > COLM >> > > > ANF >> > > > KMP >> > > > CHS >> > > > CCMP >> > > > NVR >> > > > TKCI >> > > > TOS >> > > > JEC >> > > > ENTG >> > > > HDL >> > > > CHIC >> > > > WBB >> > > > CRYP >> > > > MOVI >> > > > RYL >> > > > USLB >> > > > PPDI >> > > > EBAY >> > > > SP >> > > > HOTT >> > > > CIT >> > > > ESR >> > > > SJT >> > > > PLCE >> > > > SCVL >> > > > NYCB >> > > > RTEC >> > > > AMSGA >> > > > AMSGB >> > > > FDS >> > > > UOPX >> > > > KKD >> > > > EVG >> > > > SUN >> > > > WGOV >> > > > SGR >> > > > TTEK >> > > > COH >> > > > PHM >> > > > LNCR >> > > > CLKB >> > > > ROOM >> > > > GMCR >> > > > HNP >> > > > FCN >> > > > DIAN >> > > > DHI >> > > > NRG >> > > > GOSHA >> > > > MINI >> > > > ADVP >> > > > WTSLA >> > > > SBR >> > > > AN >> > > > TSS >> > > > WTFC >> > > > SFC >> > > > URS >> > > > RL >> > > > RCII >> > > > AZO >> > > > KLAC >> > > > EPIQ >> > > > SERO >> > > > DZTK >> > > > RJR >> > > > SRCL >> > > > TARO >> > > > FIC >> > > > CKP >> > > > BBY >> > > > SASOY >> > > > NFB >> > > > ADVS >> > > > MDCI >> > > > CEC >> > > > NAUT >> > > > CPRT >> > > > HI >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > - >> > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions Date: 28 May 2001 06:17:55 -0400 Jay, Small caps are also a part of the market. The Russell 2000 is the best index, up 5.19% for the year. Aside from that, I am not sure what your point is. My perception is the bear is back in the cave, a new bull market has begun, the Feds have been aggressive in cutting rates, the economy still has not slipped into a recession as feared even for one quarter, numerous companies have surprised to the upside (albeit most on recently reduced forecasts), and the 2nd quarter earnings should see the end to the worst of the news for most companies (for some, it already passed in the 1st). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 11:47 PM In case you all are forgetting the Nasdaq is still down 8.88% for the year and the S&P 500 is down 3.21%. Only the Dow is up (2.03%). If you take a weighted average of the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P, the overall market is down 3.31% for the year. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:22 AM > Yes, Dave, I've noticed your name starting to pop up quite a bit again, > more like the last bull. I know some of the group have done well this > year, but count me in with you in the loss column. At this point, I've > only sold 1 stock for a profit this year so far, with too many to count > losses. I am doing better since April, but I still have many stocks that > have knocked me back out, and I seem to get stopped out everytime I get > fully invested. I have been running around -10% to -12% for the year so > far, and have improved that a little the last few weeks, but I'm still far > from even. (Of course the 3 most recent analyst actions hurt, Giving up > all my gains on CHIC and getting stopped out of COCO and RYL) Fortunately, > I also had a good year in 2000 with a strong first quarter and a couple of > good stocks helping me offset my many losers for the rest of the year. > > If I could just get through a couple of weeks without an analyst downgrade, > maybe I could get back close to even for 2001! > > At 08:20 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main > >reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and > >actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - is > >because I finally believe that M is favorable. > > > >As I pointed out earlier, I have put money in the market several > >times this year - only to come out with less than I went in with. > >I wiped out my year 2000 gains and then some. In each case, maybe > >it was hopeful thinking. For some reason, I have noticed quite a > >few more uptrends on stocks lately - and maybe I'm starting to feel > >in the back of my mind that we've turned around. > > > >Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. > > > > > >===== > >Dave Cameron > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TUTR Date: 28 May 2001 08:59:44 -0400 Thanks, Earl. I am finding a lot of stocks extended now, it seems. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 12:32 AM > My opinions, and only answering your questions (as in TUTR EPS won't be > brought up, etc.). > > TUTR - I would agree that this was a B/O. You could call this a cup with > handle (pivot 23.38) or a double bottom (with a higher right side, pivot > 23.78). Either way, 5/23 looks to be a solid breakout. > > ADVS - You could call 5/17 a B/O from a cup with handle. For me, I would > call this handle a little low in the base, and it falls short of the > absolute minimum criteria of 50%. I would put the mid-point of the handle > at 55.50, and that's about 46% of the way up the cup. I would wait for a > later move on this one. > > HOC - Yes, big time. (I look for 7 week bases generally!!) > > APL - Yes, same reasons. > > TARO - Seems to have excellent support at the 50 day MA. Looks pretty > LLURish to me, although this isn't a pattern I have any experience with. > However, if I was considering fishing here, I would look to get in within > 5% or so of the 50 day MA. That would put the maximum buy price around 52, > so I would say it is a little high. If anything, it looks to be in the > middle of the trading channel to me. > > At 05:37 PM 5/27/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Did TUTR break out last week, or can I look at the broader 7-month > >base?(lousy EPS). Same with ADVS. > > > >Is HOC too far extended? The volume is excellent. Same with APL? > > > >TARO - LLUR? Good time to get in? > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TUTR Date: 28 May 2001 09:01:57 -0400 Thanks, Tom ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 9:42 PM > TUTR - broke out Wednesday > ADVS - b/o 5/17, confused chart, maybe still within pivot range, > I use their software at work > HOC - best buy point was last Dec in the 14-16 range, I don't see > a present support base to work from > APL - same story except late March at 25, also way extended now > TARO - I would prefer to buy it closer to the 50 DMA, and > especially not after a sharp rebound like Friday's > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ann Hollingworth > To: CANSLIM Listserv > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:37 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] TUTR > > > Did TUTR break out last week, or can I look at the broader > 7-month > base?(lousy EPS). Same with ADVS. > > Is HOC too far extended? The volume is excellent. Same with APL? > > TARO - LLUR? Good time to get in? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions - "M" Date: 28 May 2001 07:37:36 -0600 I guess I'm not sure of the point either. CANSLIM tells us to accumulate positions after a valid follow-through day when we see leading stocks breaking out of solid bases. The IBD has been falling all over itself declaring the "M" good for the last month or so, and there have been a LOT of good stocks moving to new highs on great volume. I don't disagree that the time to buy wasn't in January (a failed FT day cost me some funds) or Feb or March. When you look at YTD performance, you get a total for the year, and that is a very arbritrary timefrae. YTD numbers vary from 1 day to 364 days of history!! However, look at the indexes since the close of the FT day on 4/10 for all 3 major indexes. I think it's obvious this way an FT day worth buying! NASDAQ: +21.5% S&P500: +9.4% DJIA : +8.9% RS2000: +12.6% This is the kind of "M" that increases our odds of success, and increases this group's activity!! At 06:17 AM 5/28/01 -0400, you wrote: >Jay, > >Small caps are also a part of the market. The Russell 2000 is the >best index, up 5.19% for the year. > >Aside from that, I am not sure what your point is. My perception >is the bear is back in the cave, a new bull market has begun, the >Feds have been aggressive in cutting rates, the economy still has >not slipped into a recession as feared even for one quarter, >numerous companies have surprised to the upside (albeit most on >recently reduced forecasts), and the 2nd quarter earnings should >see the end to the worst of the news for most companies (for >some, it already passed in the 1st). > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jay Oken >To: >Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 11:47 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions > > >In case you all are forgetting the Nasdaq is still down 8.88% for >the year >and the S&P 500 is down 3.21%. Only the Dow is up (2.03%). If you >take a >weighted average of the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P, the overall market >is down >3.31% for the year. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "esetser" >To: >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:22 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions > > >> Yes, Dave, I've noticed your name starting to pop up quite a >bit again, >> more like the last bull. I know some of the group have done >well this >> year, but count me in with you in the loss column. At this >point, I've >> only sold 1 stock for a profit this year so far, with too many >to count >> losses. I am doing better since April, but I still have many >stocks that >> have knocked me back out, and I seem to get stopped out >everytime I get >> fully invested. I have been running around -10% to -12% for >the year so >> far, and have improved that a little the last few weeks, but >I'm still far >> from even. (Of course the 3 most recent analyst actions hurt, >Giving up >> all my gains on CHIC and getting stopped out of COCO and RYL) >Fortunately, >> I also had a good year in 2000 with a strong first quarter and >a couple of >> good stocks helping me offset my many losers for the rest of >the year. >> >> If I could just get through a couple of weeks without an >analyst >downgrade, >> maybe I could get back close to even for 2001! >> >> At 08:20 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: >> >I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main >> >reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and >> >actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - >is >> >because I finally believe that M is favorable. >> > >> >As I pointed out earlier, I have put money in the market >several >> >times this year - only to come out with less than I went in >with. >> >I wiped out my year 2000 gains and then some. In each case, >maybe >> >it was hopeful thinking. For some reason, I have noticed >quite a >> >few more uptrends on stocks lately - and maybe I'm starting to >feel >> >in the back of my mind that we've turned around. >> > >> >Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. >> > >> > >> >===== >> >Dave Cameron >> >dfcameron@yahoo.com >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >> >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> > >> >- >> >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > >> > >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "walter nusbaum" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's List) Date: 28 May 2001 09:37:35 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:10 PM (Snip) > > 3. MACD (if you are even interested since it is not > CANSLIM) is still good. > (Snip) Kent, FWIW, ACF made a low of $20.81 on 11/30/00, and on 4/18/01, more than doubled @ $43.05. The most recent entry using 3-7-10 & 7-14-10 MACD's was on 5/14/01 @ $46.02, with a subsequent high @ $54.88 on 5/21/01. It has (typically) declined to $52.71 on 5/25/01, and is presently in a "hold" mode. Connecting the most recent tops of the adjacent histograms provides a downward sloping line, which would indicate near-term weakening. While observing adjacent slopes does not provide100% accuracy, it is an indicator that deserves inclusion in any over-all assesment.(I have ACF on my watch list). Best wishes, Walt > 7. Up ~40% in 4 weeks > > Regards > Kent Norman > > --- Shelley Lowenstein wrote: > > what's the prognosis on ACF?? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "walter nusbaum" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFF LIST: MACD (was NAZ 100 due to fall back) Date: 28 May 2001 10:51:52 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 4:39 PM > I just looked at the individual stocks that comprise > the Nasdaq 100. Just about all of them are near the > top of their price channels indicating a sell off is > due. > > Although not directly related to CS, it helps keep an > eye on the general M. > > Regards > Kent Norman > Kent, Good work! The MACD 3-7-10 gave a "sell" on UOPIX(doubles the NAS100), on 5/24/01. The NAS100 will (probably) follow. Best wishes, Walt - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ARTL95@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OFF LIST: MACD (was NAZ 100 due to fall back) Date: 28 May 2001 12:08:10 EDT In a message dated 5/28/01 11:53:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wnusbaum@airmail.net writes: << Good work! The MACD 3-7-10 gave a "sell" on UOPIX(doubles the NAS100), on 5/24/01. The NAS100 will (probably) follow. Best wishes, Walt >> Do you mind explaining what MACD 3-7-10 means and how you arrive at the sell signal? Thanks. Arthur - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "walter nusbaum" Subject: Fw: [CANSLIM] OFF LIST: MACD (was NAZ 100 due to fall back) Date: 28 May 2001 11:12:12 -0500 The MACD sell signal on the NAS 100 was on 5/23 vice 5/24. Sorry. Best wishes, Walt ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 10:51 AM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Norman" > To: "CANSLIM" > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 4:39 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] NAZ 100 due to fall back > > > > I just looked at the individual stocks that comprise > > the Nasdaq 100. Just about all of them are near the > > top of their price channels indicating a sell off is > > due. > > > > Although not directly related to CS, it helps keep an > > eye on the general M. > > > > Regards > > Kent Norman > > > Kent, > Good work! The MACD 3-7-10 gave a "sell" on UOPIX(doubles the NAS100), on > 5/24/01. The NAS100 will (probably) follow. > Best wishes, > Walt > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's Date: 28 May 2001 11:10:32 -0700 Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list conversation exploring indicators, their use, application, interpretation to CANSLIM investing? I say off list, because this subject matter may annoy those who want to keep the list more tightly focused to ONeil and his framing. If this is not the case, it does not need to be off list. We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply all". Just one of my bright ideas that I thought I would through out for members to take potshots. I know I feel constrained to post on this topic. Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tracie Oken" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions - "M" Date: 28 May 2001 11:24:20 -0700 My only point was that, as a few were mentioning that they are in a loss position for the year, the market overall is still down even given the recent run up (and as per Tom's point I probably should take into account the Russell as well). Therefore, I would assume that most investors are still in a loss position. I was not trying to say that the market has not turned up or that we are not now in a good M. Maybe I am looking at this wrong but I closely track how we are doing compared to the market. My wife and I spend a lot of time trying to understand CANSLIM and doing stock research. I believe that if, over the long-term, we can't outperform the major averages than we can save a lot of time by putting our money in an index fund. That was all. Sorry if I came off any other way. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:37 AM > I guess I'm not sure of the point either. CANSLIM tells us to accumulate > positions after a valid follow-through day when we see leading stocks > breaking out of solid bases. The IBD has been falling all over itself > declaring the "M" good for the last month or so, and there have been a LOT > of good stocks moving to new highs on great volume. I don't disagree that > the time to buy wasn't in January (a failed FT day cost me some funds) or > Feb or March. When you look at YTD performance, you get a total for the > year, and that is a very arbritrary timefrae. YTD numbers vary from 1 day > to 364 days of history!! > > However, look at the indexes since the close of the FT day on 4/10 for all > 3 major indexes. I think it's obvious this way an FT day worth buying! > > NASDAQ: +21.5% > S&P500: +9.4% > DJIA : +8.9% > RS2000: +12.6% > > This is the kind of "M" that increases our odds of success, and increases > this group's activity!! > > At 06:17 AM 5/28/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Jay, > > > >Small caps are also a part of the market. The Russell 2000 is the > >best index, up 5.19% for the year. > > > >Aside from that, I am not sure what your point is. My perception > >is the bear is back in the cave, a new bull market has begun, the > >Feds have been aggressive in cutting rates, the economy still has > >not slipped into a recession as feared even for one quarter, > >numerous companies have surprised to the upside (albeit most on > >recently reduced forecasts), and the 2nd quarter earnings should > >see the end to the worst of the news for most companies (for > >some, it already passed in the 1st). > > > >Tom Worley > >stkguru@netside.net > >AIM: TexWorley > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Jay Oken > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 11:47 PM > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions > > > > > >In case you all are forgetting the Nasdaq is still down 8.88% for > >the year > >and the S&P 500 is down 3.21%. Only the Dow is up (2.03%). If you > >take a > >weighted average of the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P, the overall market > >is down > >3.31% for the year. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "esetser" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:22 AM > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions > > > > > >> Yes, Dave, I've noticed your name starting to pop up quite a > >bit again, > >> more like the last bull. I know some of the group have done > >well this > >> year, but count me in with you in the loss column. At this > >point, I've > >> only sold 1 stock for a profit this year so far, with too many > >to count > >> losses. I am doing better since April, but I still have many > >stocks that > >> have knocked me back out, and I seem to get stopped out > >everytime I get > >> fully invested. I have been running around -10% to -12% for > >the year so > >> far, and have improved that a little the last few weeks, but > >I'm still far > >> from even. (Of course the 3 most recent analyst actions hurt, > >Giving up > >> all my gains on CHIC and getting stopped out of COCO and RYL) > >Fortunately, > >> I also had a good year in 2000 with a strong first quarter and > >a couple of > >> good stocks helping me offset my many losers for the rest of > >the year. > >> > >> If I could just get through a couple of weeks without an > >analyst > >downgrade, > >> maybe I could get back close to even for 2001! > >> > >> At 08:20 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > >> >I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main > >> >reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and > >> >actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - > >is > >> >because I finally believe that M is favorable. > >> > > >> >As I pointed out earlier, I have put money in the market > >several > >> >times this year - only to come out with less than I went in > >with. > >> >I wiped out my year 2000 gains and then some. In each case, > >maybe > >> >it was hopeful thinking. For some reason, I have noticed > >quite a > >> >few more uptrends on stocks lately - and maybe I'm starting to > >feel > >> >in the back of my mind that we've turned around. > >> > > >> >Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. > >> > > >> > > >> >===== > >> >Dave Cameron > >> >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >> > > >> >__________________________________________________ > >> >Do You Yahoo!? > >> >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >> >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >> > > >> >- > >> >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >> >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >> >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> - > >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 28 May 2001 15:51:27 -0400 My pivot is 21.50 + .13. My stop should be somewhere below 19.90. On Friday it looked ready for a while - volume was up, the price was nearing the pivot. Of course, nothing happened and I did not buy it. Anna esetser @lists.xmission.com on 05/25/2001 10:42:38 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: I'm not sure I follow your message on BPFH. If you are "playing" the high handle, your pivot should be at 21.63 (the handle high of 21.50 + 0.13). It doesn't look to be ready for that level yet. Or, are you playing the "cup". In this case, I would have made the pivot at 20.63, and the breakout on 5/7 with low volume (about average). Since that point, there have been 4 up days of strong volume, so you could consider those confirmations of the move, and buy in. However, I'm still confused on your reading on this one. Care to illuminate? At 12:34 PM 5/25/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Yes, and it is breaking out now. >I passed on SNV a couple of weeks ago - did not trust the group, but >looking at how well it had done I think this could be a good group to pick >up. > >Anna > > > >Dave Cameron @lists.xmission.com on 05/24/2001 >10:49:18 PM > >Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >cc: >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BPFH? > > >Anna, > >Oh, I know I'll get in trouble here - after all, I'm having an >interesting conversation with Doug since I am a little >unconventional. > >But... here goes: >1. I don't like the shape of the cup. Instead of a cup, it seems >to have two bottoms - where the second bottom was at a higher price >than the first and on higher volume. > >2. I assume you've put it on a watch list - since it hasn't broken >out yet. Right? > >Dave > >--- asosis@ca.ibm.com wrote: >> >> Seems ready to go from C&H. >> Opinions? >> >> Anna >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BPFH? Date: 28 May 2001 16:04:59 -0400 Tom and Jans, these are excellent points. I did not think of that. Thank you. Dave, we had a holiday last Monday - Victoria day :) Anna Spencer48@aol.com@lists.xmission.com on 05/27/2001 05:43:16 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Anna: Why should it be given even more significance? I interpret it as many individuals buying the day before the holiday weekend; meanwhile, most of those using institutional money are out of the market Friday. If institutional money managers hadn't (as is my belief) taken Friday off, then I'd agree, it looks like churning. I'd see what happens Tuesday-because (except for Friday) the chart does look nice. jans In a message dated 5/25/2001 2:53:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, asosis@ca.ibm.com writes: << Oh yes, you guys have a day off on Monday. I fogot about that. Have fun. May I ask what you mean by that? Would you mistrust a breakout on 200% ADV because it is on a slow day? Should it not be given even more significance? Anna >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's List)) Date: 28 May 2001 16:27:09 EDT --part1_66.f771629.28440e9d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit count me in..jan --part1_66.f771629.28440e9d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit count me in..jan --part1_66.f771629.28440e9d_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: asosis@ca.ibm.com Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's List)) Date: 28 May 2001 16:29:16 -0400 Me too. Anna BIKEAR@aol.com@lists.xmission.com on 05/28/2001 04:27:09 PM Please respond to canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com cc: Leader's List)) count me in..jan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: [CANSLIM]IPO date website? Date: 28 May 2001 15:30:58 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E7B5.1A962C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" WON puts a lot of emphasis on IPO's. There's even a good article in Tues paper. Does anyone know a website that has IPO dates for all stocks? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E7B5.1A962C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [CANSLIM]IPO date website?

WON puts a lot of emphasis on IPO's. = There's even a good article in Tues paper. Does anyone know a website = that has IPO dates for all stocks?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E7B5.1A962C00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's Date: 28 May 2001 15:32:04 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0633_01C0E78B.590D7B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan, count me in.... may be best off line. Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My = Leader's List)) Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list conversation exploring = indicators, their use, application, interpretation to CANSLIM investing? I say off list, because this subject matter may annoy those who want = to keep the list more tightly focused to ONeil and his framing. If this is not = the case, it does not need to be off list. We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply all". Just one of my bright ideas that I thought I would through out for = members to take potshots. I know I feel constrained to post on this topic. Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0633_01C0E78B.590D7B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dan, count me in.... may be best off=20 line.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
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Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list conversation=20 exploring indicators,
their use, application, interpretation to = CANSLIM=20 investing?

I say off list, because this subject matter may = annoy those=20 who want to keep the
list more tightly focused to ONeil and his=20 framing.  If this is not the case, it
does not need to be off=20 list.

We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply = all".

Just=20 one of my bright ideas that I thought I would through out for members=20 to
take potshots.

I know I feel constrained to post on this=20 topic.

Dan




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-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0633_01C0E78B.590D7B20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kraus0R@cs.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]IPO date website? Date: 28 May 2001 16:55:08 EDT Try www.ipocentral.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date website? Date: 28 May 2001 16:31:44 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E7BD.97B01B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, but can you tell me how to get the IPO date for any stock currently trading. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 3:55 PM Try www.ipocentral.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E7BD.97B01B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date website?

Thanks, but can you tell me how to get the IPO date for any stock currently trading.

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Try www.ipocentral.com

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E7BD.97B01B30-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kraus0R@cs.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IPO date website? Date: 28 May 2001 19:24:17 EDT Short of actually finding the beginning of its chart, I don't know off-hand. However, www.10kwizard.com is a great site to get its initial registration filing and other filings as well. Roger - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions - "M" Date: 28 May 2001 19:59:36 -0400 count me in DanF ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 2:24 PM > My only point was that, as a few were mentioning that they are in a loss > position for the year, the market overall is still down even given the > recent run up (and as per Tom's point I probably should take into account > the Russell as well). Therefore, I would assume that most investors are > still in a loss position. I was not trying to say that the market has not > turned up or that we are not now in a good M. Maybe I am looking at this > wrong but I closely track how we are doing compared to the market. My wife > and I spend a lot of time trying to understand CANSLIM and doing stock > research. I believe that if, over the long-term, we can't outperform the > major averages than we can save a lot of time by putting our money in an > index fund. That was all. Sorry if I came off any other way. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "esetser" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:37 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions - "M" > > > > I guess I'm not sure of the point either. CANSLIM tells us to accumulate > > positions after a valid follow-through day when we see leading stocks > > breaking out of solid bases. The IBD has been falling all over itself > > declaring the "M" good for the last month or so, and there have been a LOT > > of good stocks moving to new highs on great volume. I don't disagree that > > the time to buy wasn't in January (a failed FT day cost me some funds) or > > Feb or March. When you look at YTD performance, you get a total for the > > year, and that is a very arbritrary timefrae. YTD numbers vary from 1 day > > to 364 days of history!! > > > > However, look at the indexes since the close of the FT day on 4/10 for all > > 3 major indexes. I think it's obvious this way an FT day worth buying! > > > > NASDAQ: +21.5% > > S&P500: +9.4% > > DJIA : +8.9% > > RS2000: +12.6% > > > > This is the kind of "M" that increases our odds of success, and increases > > this group's activity!! > > > > At 06:17 AM 5/28/01 -0400, you wrote: > > >Jay, > > > > > >Small caps are also a part of the market. The Russell 2000 is the > > >best index, up 5.19% for the year. > > > > > >Aside from that, I am not sure what your point is. My perception > > >is the bear is back in the cave, a new bull market has begun, the > > >Feds have been aggressive in cutting rates, the economy still has > > >not slipped into a recession as feared even for one quarter, > > >numerous companies have surprised to the upside (albeit most on > > >recently reduced forecasts), and the 2nd quarter earnings should > > >see the end to the worst of the news for most companies (for > > >some, it already passed in the 1st). > > > > > >Tom Worley > > >stkguru@netside.net > > >AIM: TexWorley > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Jay Oken > > >To: > > >Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 11:47 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions > > > > > > > > >In case you all are forgetting the Nasdaq is still down 8.88% for > > >the year > > >and the S&P 500 is down 3.21%. Only the Dow is up (2.03%). If you > > >take a > > >weighted average of the Dow, Nasdaq and S&P, the overall market > > >is down > > >3.31% for the year. > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "esetser" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 8:22 AM > > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Discussions > > > > > > > > >> Yes, Dave, I've noticed your name starting to pop up quite a > > >bit again, > > >> more like the last bull. I know some of the group have done > > >well this > > >> year, but count me in with you in the loss column. At this > > >point, I've > > >> only sold 1 stock for a profit this year so far, with too many > > >to count > > >> losses. I am doing better since April, but I still have many > > >stocks that > > >> have knocked me back out, and I seem to get stopped out > > >everytime I get > > >> fully invested. I have been running around -10% to -12% for > > >the year so > > >> far, and have improved that a little the last few weeks, but > > >I'm still far > > >> from even. (Of course the 3 most recent analyst actions hurt, > > >Giving up > > >> all my gains on CHIC and getting stopped out of COCO and RYL) > > >Fortunately, > > >> I also had a good year in 2000 with a strong first quarter and > > >a couple of > > >> good stocks helping me offset my many losers for the rest of > > >the year. > > >> > > >> If I could just get through a couple of weeks without an > > >analyst > > >downgrade, > > >> maybe I could get back close to even for 2001! > > >> > > >> At 08:20 PM 5/24/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >> >I just realized, subconsciously I believe that one of the main > > >> >reasons I've been following the discussions more lately - and > > >> >actually adding a few comments for the first time in a while - > > >is > > >> >because I finally believe that M is favorable. > > >> > > > >> >As I pointed out earlier, I have put money in the market > > >several > > >> >times this year - only to come out with less than I went in > > >with. > > >> >I wiped out my year 2000 gains and then some. In each case, > > >maybe > > >> >it was hopeful thinking. For some reason, I have noticed > > >quite a > > >> >few more uptrends on stocks lately - and maybe I'm starting to > > >feel > > >> >in the back of my mind that we've turned around. > > >> > > > >> >Where's Jeffry White when I need him to sap my enthusiasm. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >===== > > >> >Dave Cameron > > >> >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > >> > > > >> >__________________________________________________ > > >> >Do You Yahoo!? > > >> >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > >> >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > >> > > > >> >- > > >> >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >> >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >> >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> - > > >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >> -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's List)) Date: 28 May 2001 20:02:22 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0E7B1.1B6B0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable May be in best interest to keep it off line. This group successfully = keeps focus on CANSLIM. DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My = Leader's List)) Dan, count me in.... may be best off line. Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was = My Leader's List)) Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list conversation exploring = indicators, their use, application, interpretation to CANSLIM investing? I say off list, because this subject matter may annoy those who want = to keep the list more tightly focused to ONeil and his framing. If this is not = the case, it does not need to be off list. We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply all". Just one of my bright ideas that I thought I would through out for = members to take potshots. I know I feel constrained to post on this topic. Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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May be in best interest to keep it off line. This = group=20 successfully keeps focus on CANSLIM.
 
DanF
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 4:32 = PM
Subject: Re: Indicator = Discussion (was=20 [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's List))

Dan, count me in.... may be best off = line.
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 = 1:10=20 PM
Subject: Re: Indicator = Discussion (was=20 [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's List))

Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list = conversation=20 exploring indicators,
their use, application, interpretation to = CANSLIM=20 investing?

I say off list, because this subject matter may = annoy=20 those who want to keep the
list more tightly focused to ONeil and = his=20 framing.  If this is not the case, it
does not need to be = off=20 list.

We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply=20 all".

Just one of my bright ideas that I thought I would = through out=20 for members to
take potshots.

I know I feel constrained to = post on=20 this topic.

Dan




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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C0E7B1.1B6B0500-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley - Small Caps Date: 28 May 2001 20:15:13 -0400 Tom, Thank you for the detailed reply! Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:54 PM Hi Rick, Only once in the past few years have I posted my small cap (which is also my only) watch list. It's not something I intend to repeat soon, as I am convinced that most investors, much less CANSLIMers, should not spend their time looking at them. I am doing well this year, largely due the success of EPIQ. While I am on vacation next two weeks, I will try to dredge up my confirms for the past two years and post my entry and exit points for study. What you will see is that I violated many basic rules of CANSLIM. I had lots of experience on my side, plus a fast profit on my first round trip. That bolstered my confidence in going to the well a 2nd, 3rd and 4th time. Even during the past five months, when the small caps have been generally doing better than any other index, I don't consider them to be true CANSLIM. What I do I view as being high risk, only slightly better than those that buy penny stocks that are down 80 or 90% (as compared to buying big caps down the same percentage). And I don't simply focus on small caps, I focus on small and microcaps trading from $2 to $18 dollars, with most emphasis on those under $15. So just on price alone, I exclude from consideration virtually every stock that most members of this group will even consider. That makes my stocks off topic. You are correct, the DGO List I post weekly is not, in any way, small cap oriented. It is the culling from a report by DGO without regard to size or price, just that it is already in the DG books, has both RS and EPS of 80 or better as of Friday's close, and is at or within 5% of its 12 month high sometime during the prior week. It is a review I do as a contribution to this group, but would do anyway to stay in touch with mainstream CANSLIM health. It is a fundamental influence to my reading of "M". But very rarely do I find an addition to my watch list there, that comes from reviewing screened lists of stocks hitting new highs printed during the week, then checking those in industry groups I favor using DGO to see if they present CANSLIM characteristics. It would save me an enormous amount of time every week if DGO would provide a comprehensive list of new weekly highs that is not restricted by having to be in the DG books, but such is not to be. But both buying, and holding, small cap stocks, esp at the prices I favor, is difficult and tricky. I cannot encourage any investor seriously trying to employ sensible rules, much less CANSLIM, to follow in my footsteps. The concept of CANSLIM is to turn the odds in your personal favor, what I do is significantly increase both the risks and the rewards (on the rare occasions when you are really, really right). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:06 AM Tom, Correct me if my observation here is wrong. I have seen you mention many times that you prefer small caps with great CANSLIM characteristics. You seem to be doing great with them. However, I believe I rarely see you post small cap candidates to watch. I know you put out a DGO list but I believe these are not your small cap watch list. I believe you mentioned you do not post them because being small cap, they are not truly CANSLIM. However, I look to you as being a mentor. I would like to learn more about your success with small caps. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:08 PM I certainly don't consider the money in my IRA as "play money", even if I have fun with it. but despite only buying small and micro cap stocks with excellent CANSLIM characteristics, I still am up about 52% for the year. I think the Russell 2000 Index is currently the best index of all, and I have soundly beaten it (it's up about 6% for the year last time I checked). That's the kind of index beating performance I demand of CANSLIM, and myself. If I cannot substantially beat an unmanaged index, then I am doing something wrong, either in my picks, my application of CANSLIM, or simply of buying individual stocks in the first place. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:10 PM >Again, did you know 3 months ago that you would be better off in index >funds? No. If you think that now, why not put some of that cash into VFINX >then? Diversification is king. I am not nearly 100% in CANSLIM stocks, and >I don't think anyone should be, unless their accounts are funded with >"play >money" and they can afford to lose any of their capital. Oh, I am. I'm CANSLIM investing with a portion only. Still.... > >FYI, I am spectacularly ahead, and so should most on this list be, at >least >for the past month. The CANSLIM parts of my accounts are killing the index >fund parts! I am ahead, but by no means spectacularly ahead. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Weekly Scan Date: 28 May 2001 20:18:52 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C0E7B3.69E12960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, Could you explain what this list is and how it helps you with CANSLIM? I am sure you posted this information before but I must have missed it. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Brion Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk Date: 28 May 2001 17:16:53 -0700 Netscape users, I'm curious. Have you all upgraded to Netscape 6 or are you hanging on to earlier versions? When I upgraded to N6 from N4.7, I hated it. It was so slow, I uninstalled it and have gradually converted from N4.7 to IE. esetser wrote: > You can use Netscape with investors.com. The only issue is this: when > they do an update, you have to bring up IE to get the latest changes > loaded. After that, Netscape will work fine until the next update. > > At 10:55 AM 5/27/01 -0700, you wrote: > >If it happens to several people, the chances are that > >nothing you do on your end will matter. > > > >I prefer to use Netscape. Their site insists on I.E.. > >That is one clue that their web people have made > >decisions that restrict them to the quirks of one > >browser (yes I know there are more than 2 browsers in > >the world, but the others are negligible.) > > > >I say this assuming there is not a mass breakout of > >misconfigured browsers - which I doubt since other web > >sites would also be in trouble. > > > >Regards > >Kent Norman > > > >--- Norman wrote: > >> It's nice to know it wasn't just me. I have the > >> same problem now and then > >> when I am running only 1 instance of their web page. > >> They suggested I > >> delete the plotwon control file and it would reload > >> next time I requested a > >> chart. Haven't tried it yet tho. > >> > >> Norm > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Kent Norman" > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:02 PM > >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk > >> > >> > >> > Bottom line -- they need a web page programmer > >> that is > >> > worth his/her salt. > >> > > >> > There are plenty of other sites that don't crash > >> like > >> > this. > >> > > >> > I have been having the same problem. > >> > > >> > regards > >> > Kent Norman > >> > > >> > --- Jim Carr wrote: > >> > > Forwarded in case others are having the same > >> > > problem. Seems hard to avoid > >> > > when they launch every application in a new > >> window. > >> > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > From: custcare@investors.com > >> > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM > >> > > Subject: RE: HELP! [T20010523006X] > >> > > > >> > > > Dear Jim Carr, > >> > > > > >> > > > Thank you for your email. > >> > > > > >> > > > This can happen if you open more than one > >> browser > >> > > window to our site. It > >> > > > can also happen on certain systems if you are > >> > > running back & forth > >> > > > through charts & other tools very quickly. > >> > > > > >> > > > If it happens again, just click the "Log Off" > >> > > button on the top left IF > >> > > > it is there (blue rectangle), close out all > >> > > browsers that are open to > >> > > > our site or our tools, and re-visit the site > >> and > >> > > log in again. > >> > > > > >> > > > Sincerely, > >> > > > Eric > >> > > > Investor's Business Daily > >> > > > www.investors.com > >> > > > > >> > > > _____ > >> > > > > >> > > > I am constantly getting the following message > >> > > while I am on the site: > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Your account is currently in use. > >> > > > > >> > > > Your user name and password are currently > >> logged > >> > > into our system. > >> > > > > >> > > > Our system will only allow one log in session > >> at a > >> > > time for each unique > >> > > > user name and password combination. If you > >> feel > >> > > that an unauthorized > >> > > > individual is using your user name and > >> password, > >> > > and you are certain > >> > > > that you have not shared this information, > >> please > >> > > contact us at > >> > > > > >> > > custcare@investors.com. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > It typically occurs when I am viewing charts. > >> The > >> > > chart window will > >> > > > close and I have to close all browser windows > >> with > >> > > IBD pages, reopen > >> > > > them, relogin, and get back to where I was. > >> It > >> > > happens about once every > >> > > > thirty minutes. This is getting annoying as > >> hell. > >> > > Can you please take > >> > > > a look and see if you can find the source of > >> the > >> > > problem. > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks > >> > > > >> > > - > >> > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > >> > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >> > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >> > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > >> your > >> > email. > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > >> prices > >> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >> > > >> > - > >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > >> "majordomo@xmission.com" > >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > >> email. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> - > >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > >> "majordomo@xmission.com" > >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > >email. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's List)) Date: 28 May 2001 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) I also agree to keep it off line or start an additional group. In any case, count me in. Steve --- Gene Ricci wrote: > Dan, count me in.... may be best off line. > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 1:10 PM > Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was > [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's List)) > > > Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list > conversation exploring indicators, > their use, application, interpretation to CANSLIM > investing? > > I say off list, because this subject matter may > annoy those who want to keep the > list more tightly focused to ONeil and his > framing. If this is not the case, it > does not need to be off list. > > We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply > all". > > Just one of my bright ideas that I thought I would > through out for members to > take potshots. > > I know I feel constrained to post on this topic. > > Dan > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sisyphus" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk Date: 28 May 2001 17:46:42 -0700 This was precisely my experience with Netscape 6. I used it for years,= refusing to switch to MSIE...until I upgraded to 6. It was very slow, with= problem after problem. I don't even have Netscape on the computer= anymore. Dreadful upgrade...what could they have been thinking? John On 5/28/2001 at 5:16 PM Harvey Brion wrote: >Netscape users, I'm curious. Have you all upgraded to Netscape 6 or are >you hanging on to earlier versions? When I upgraded to N6 from N4.7, I >hated it. It was so slow, I uninstalled it and have gradually converted >from N4.7 to IE. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk Date: 28 May 2001 18:03:40 -0700 I had decided some time back to not upgrade from 4.7. I wish I had upgraded to 4.72 or the latest 4.7x. I have heard about too much hassle from the later ones and this works quite well. If I were to feel like I would have to change, I think I would give Opera a try. I have heard good reports of it. And it is a much smaller program. Some time back, I was forced to use IE, by a particular site. And I found that I could run both at same time if needed. Dan Harvey Brion wrote: > Netscape users, I'm curious. Have you all upgraded to Netscape 6 or are > you hanging on to earlier versions? When I upgraded to N6 from N4.7, I > hated it. It was so slow, I uninstalled it and have gradually converted > from N4.7 to IE. > > esetser wrote: > > > You can use Netscape with investors.com. The only issue is this: when > > they do an update, you have to bring up IE to get the latest changes > > loaded. After that, Netscape will work fine until the next update. > > > > At 10:55 AM 5/27/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >If it happens to several people, the chances are that > > >nothing you do on your end will matter. > > > > > >I prefer to use Netscape. Their site insists on I.E.. > > >That is one clue that their web people have made > > >decisions that restrict them to the quirks of one > > >browser (yes I know there are more than 2 browsers in > > >the world, but the others are negligible.) > > > > > >I say this assuming there is not a mass breakout of > > >misconfigured browsers - which I doubt since other web > > >sites would also be in trouble. > > > > > >Regards > > >Kent Norman > > > > > >--- Norman wrote: > > >> It's nice to know it wasn't just me. I have the > > >> same problem now and then > > >> when I am running only 1 instance of their web page. > > >> They suggested I > > >> delete the plotwon control file and it would reload > > >> next time I requested a > > >> chart. Haven't tried it yet tho. > > >> > > >> Norm > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Kent Norman" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:02 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bottom line -- they need a web page programmer > > >> that is > > >> > worth his/her salt. > > >> > > > >> > There are plenty of other sites that don't crash > > >> like > > >> > this. > > >> > > > >> > I have been having the same problem. > > >> > > > >> > regards > > >> > Kent Norman > > >> > > > >> > --- Jim Carr wrote: > > >> > > Forwarded in case others are having the same > > >> > > problem. Seems hard to avoid > > >> > > when they launch every application in a new > > >> window. > > >> > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > From: custcare@investors.com > > >> > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM > > >> > > Subject: RE: HELP! [T20010523006X] > > >> > > > > >> > > > Dear Jim Carr, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thank you for your email. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > This can happen if you open more than one > > >> browser > > >> > > window to our site. It > > >> > > > can also happen on certain systems if you are > > >> > > running back & forth > > >> > > > through charts & other tools very quickly. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > If it happens again, just click the "Log Off" > > >> > > button on the top left IF > > >> > > > it is there (blue rectangle), close out all > > >> > > browsers that are open to > > >> > > > our site or our tools, and re-visit the site > > >> and > > >> > > log in again. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Sincerely, > > >> > > > Eric > > >> > > > Investor's Business Daily > > >> > > > www.investors.com > > >> > > > > > >> > > > _____ > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I am constantly getting the following message > > >> > > while I am on the site: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Your account is currently in use. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Your user name and password are currently > > >> logged > > >> > > into our system. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Our system will only allow one log in session > > >> at a > > >> > > time for each unique > > >> > > > user name and password combination. If you > > >> feel > > >> > > that an unauthorized > > >> > > > individual is using your user name and > > >> password, > > >> > > and you are certain > > >> > > > that you have not shared this information, > > >> please > > >> > > contact us at > > >> > > > > > >> > > custcare@investors.com. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > It typically occurs when I am viewing charts. > > >> The > > >> > > chart window will > > >> > > > close and I have to close all browser windows > > >> with > > >> > > IBD pages, reopen > > >> > > > them, relogin, and get back to where I was. > > >> It > > >> > > happens about once every > > >> > > > thirty minutes. This is getting annoying as > > >> hell. > > >> > > Can you please take > > >> > > > a look and see if you can find the source of > > >> the > > >> > > problem. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks > > >> > > > > >> > > - > > >> > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > >> > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >> > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >> > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > > >> your > > >> > email. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > __________________________________________________ > > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > > >> > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > >> prices > > >> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > >> > > > >> > - > > >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > >> "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > >> email. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> - > > >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > >> "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > >email. > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk Date: 28 May 2001 20:31:23 -0600 I'm running 5.x. It seems like I tried the new Netscape also, and it brought my computer to its knees. I'm not sure what the issue is, but I'm not interested in slowing the browsing experience down. I use mostly Netscape at home, and almost all IE at work. At 05:16 PM 5/28/01 -0700, you wrote: >Netscape users, I'm curious. Have you all upgraded to Netscape 6 or are >you hanging on to earlier versions? When I upgraded to N6 from N4.7, I >hated it. It was so slow, I uninstalled it and have gradually converted >from N4.7 to IE. > >esetser wrote: > >> You can use Netscape with investors.com. The only issue is this: when >> they do an update, you have to bring up IE to get the latest changes >> loaded. After that, Netscape will work fine until the next update. >> >> At 10:55 AM 5/27/01 -0700, you wrote: >> >If it happens to several people, the chances are that >> >nothing you do on your end will matter. >> > >> >I prefer to use Netscape. Their site insists on I.E.. >> >That is one clue that their web people have made >> >decisions that restrict them to the quirks of one >> >browser (yes I know there are more than 2 browsers in >> >the world, but the others are negligible.) >> > >> >I say this assuming there is not a mass breakout of >> >misconfigured browsers - which I doubt since other web >> >sites would also be in trouble. >> > >> >Regards >> >Kent Norman >> > >> >--- Norman wrote: >> >> It's nice to know it wasn't just me. I have the >> >> same problem now and then >> >> when I am running only 1 instance of their web page. >> >> They suggested I >> >> delete the plotwon control file and it would reload >> >> next time I requested a >> >> chart. Haven't tried it yet tho. >> >> >> >> Norm >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Kent Norman" >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:02 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Investors.com Quirk >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bottom line -- they need a web page programmer >> >> that is >> >> > worth his/her salt. >> >> > >> >> > There are plenty of other sites that don't crash >> >> like >> >> > this. >> >> > >> >> > I have been having the same problem. >> >> > >> >> > regards >> >> > Kent Norman >> >> > >> >> > --- Jim Carr wrote: >> >> > > Forwarded in case others are having the same >> >> > > problem. Seems hard to avoid >> >> > > when they launch every application in a new >> >> window. >> >> > > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > > From: custcare@investors.com >> >> > > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:31 PM >> >> > > Subject: RE: HELP! [T20010523006X] >> >> > > >> >> > > > Dear Jim Carr, >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Thank you for your email. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > This can happen if you open more than one >> >> browser >> >> > > window to our site. It >> >> > > > can also happen on certain systems if you are >> >> > > running back & forth >> >> > > > through charts & other tools very quickly. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > If it happens again, just click the "Log Off" >> >> > > button on the top left IF >> >> > > > it is there (blue rectangle), close out all >> >> > > browsers that are open to >> >> > > > our site or our tools, and re-visit the site >> >> and >> >> > > log in again. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Sincerely, >> >> > > > Eric >> >> > > > Investor's Business Daily >> >> > > > www.investors.com >> >> > > > >> >> > > > _____ >> >> > > > >> >> > > > I am constantly getting the following message >> >> > > while I am on the site: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Your account is currently in use. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Your user name and password are currently >> >> logged >> >> > > into our system. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Our system will only allow one log in session >> >> at a >> >> > > time for each unique >> >> > > > user name and password combination. If you >> >> feel >> >> > > that an unauthorized >> >> > > > individual is using your user name and >> >> password, >> >> > > and you are certain >> >> > > > that you have not shared this information, >> >> please >> >> > > contact us at >> >> > > > >> >> > > custcare@investors.com. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > It typically occurs when I am viewing charts. >> >> The >> >> > > chart window will >> >> > > > close and I have to close all browser windows >> >> with >> >> > > IBD pages, reopen >> >> > > > them, relogin, and get back to where I was. >> >> It >> >> > > happens about once every >> >> > > > thirty minutes. This is getting annoying as >> >> hell. >> >> > > Can you please take >> >> > > > a look and see if you can find the source of >> >> the >> >> > > problem. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Thanks >> >> > > >> >> > > - >> >> > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> >> > > "majordomo@xmission.com" >> >> > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> >> > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in >> >> your >> >> > email. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > __________________________________________________ >> >> > Do You Yahoo!? >> >> > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great >> >> prices >> >> > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> >> > >> >> > - >> >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >> >> email. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >> >email. >> > >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >> >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >> > >> >- >> >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > >> > >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] dian, mss? Date: 28 May 2001 18:39:48 -0700 DIAN is and has been on my list for a long time. I, too, hate the chart. I am watching it to see if there is a reason it is on my list ;) At 08:49 PM 5/25/2001 -0600, you wrote: >DIAN - I've been watching this one, but the base is too wild and loose to >get much confidence from. In fact, I would guess Tom wouldn't even call >this "consolidation" a base. I stopped looking at this one after the >chart. (Now where IS my list so I can remove it?) > >MSS - Not on my list due to D industry group. This one is just starting to >run up enough to consider the chart on the right side of the cup. It looks >to me to be just above the 50% level of the cup right now. I prefer to >wait for handles that start at the 75% level or above, so I would wait on >this one. Other than the weak group RS, the fundamentals look good. > > >At 12:43 PM 5/25/01 EDT, you wrote: > >what your opinion on these two stocks and what does anyone think about the > >IBD advance workshop? jan > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: [CANSLIM] FRX Date: 29 May 2001 00:18:00 -0700 Plan to buy this one tomorrow, 99 83 DAB, great chart, keep an eye on it. Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FRX Date: 29 May 2001 04:21:46 -0400 Perry, you obviously see that it is in a weak group, but I see more reasons than that to convince me to avoid it just now. I would be interested in your reasoning on buying it, and why you would buy it just now. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 3:18 AM Plan to buy this one tomorrow, 99 83 DAB, great chart, keep an eye on it. Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FRX Date: 29 May 2001 06:22:31 -0700 Tom, Pride goeth before fall, and I'm thinking about using real money here, so your input would be appreciated. I see a consolidation pattern of at least 6 months on the chart, with a nice pop on a new 52 wk high, 124%. No handle, so I'm cheating a little. Number 1 stock in Medical/Ethical, Yes, it is in a weak group, but so was EPIQ, I told myself........ RS line is increasing nicely, new high. Fundies: Very high growth company, EPS increasing last 5 qtrs, Cannot see %change in EPS easily with my software. I'm guessing this is where your'e leary about this stock. Thanks Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 29 May 2001 09:06:35 -0400 We pay a pretty hefty price to subscribe to DGO. No doubt the information provided is valuable. However ability to screen within DGO is behind the times. For example, it would be nice to select a sector and just rank or graph the stocks in that sector. Of course we can do that in Excel but once in Excel, there is no way to see the stock's graphs unless we want to type in every symbol into DGO manually. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:35 AM Not sure that I quite agree. Certainly these three groups right now do offer some strong growth potential, particularly medical with the aging population. Retail might be attractive as it has been battered down, but if consumers start spending again as they enjoy the windfall wealth of an improving market, the comparisons could be quite strong. Neither group attracts me, I will mostly stick to tech stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:22 PM So this means you agree with "computer, medical and retail sectors." thanks Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Historically, from my experience, medical stocks > have not proven > to be good leadership. Biotechs have done a little > better, but > only relatively. Forget REITs, regional banks, and > similar S&Ls, > they may be opportunistic, but they are not leaders. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders > > > more on the subject, Same issue. > > "Leading stocks move in packs. When you see a few > companies making bullish moves, look for related > stocks to follow. The table of 52-Week Highs & Lows > in > the print edition is sorted by sectors with the most > new highs for that very reason. > > Real estate investment trusts, regional banks and > savings and loans have clogged the top of the list > in > recent weeks. They're benefiting from the Fed's rate > cuts. But they're not typically areas where you find > big winning stocks. Look a little farther down the > list and you'll see the computer, medical and retail > sectors. They have a better track record of > generating > market leaders." > > -------- > > > --- Kent Norman wrote: > > As the group knows, I have been searching for > clues > > as > > to the new leading group. Perhaps this note from > > Friday's IBD is a hint? What do you folks think? > > > > "Thursday's Stocks: A number of medical stocks > have > > taken leading roles in the past few weeks. > Biotechs > > moved up for a second day." > > > > Thanks > > Kent Norman > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ralli Katsikas" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades Date: 29 May 2001 08:22:47 -0500 This e-mail expresses the same feelings I have about the job I left behind (hopefully for good). For that past few years I also have felt that ultimately this will be the demise of capitalism - in a world full of sensitive to these issues people or people that are pissed of when they find out about how thier money is spent. Replace the word broker(s) with mechanic(s) in the e-mails below and you got my story too. I suspected it would be this way and now I have some supporting evidence. R ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:08 PM > Don't worry, Steff, I didn't take it personal, I know the effort > and ethics I put into the business. If I had to do it all over > again, I would start with a much larger firm, but the same > attitudes I held. Probably wouldn't have fared much better there > either, much like WON. Over the years, I have known and worked > with many decent and intelligent and hard working brokers. The > best of them eventually either left the business entirely, or > gravitated into asset management positions. Many of the others > were decent fellows, but fools. But even some of the fools were > still very likable persons. > > I fault the industry in its structure. So long as the incentive > is there to do a trade to generate a commission, the industry > will continue to suffer, along with the investors lacking either > the time, interest, or knowledge to learn to make their own > decisions (and thereby simply use an online brokerage system). > The future lies in asset management, with broker compensation > consisting of a basic salary, with bonuses awarded as a result of > a combo of assets under management and managed assets growth > (either from making good decisions, or from bringing in new > assets, which usually reflects the former). Only then can > broker's performance (including taking a house analyst's > recommendation and applying human intelligence to it) finally be > adequately measured and rewarded. That will finally weed out the > ones who just parrot what some house analyst told them, or are > just order takers and messengers, and develop a core of true > financial professionals. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jsteff > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:15 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > Hi Tom, > I'm not disagreeing with anything you have said but I recently > left a > position at a small brokerage firm. I was the assistant to the > CEO so I've > seen the good and bad also. My comment was leaning towards my > experience of > uneducated brokers and not enough additional education and > support for them. > The company consisted of three divisions: discount, commission > brokerage and > investment management. > In my opinion, the commissioned brokers were not knowledgeable > enough to > recommend stocks. I can't blame the lack of education entirely > on them for > there was not enough support at the firm but also they must take > responsibility for their knowledge also. Many would not study at > night or > read WON or anyone else as a matter of fact. > The investment division was supervised by the CEO. He was the > only > investment manager there. I also saw a lack of management of > these > accounts. > I am not saying commissioned or fee based brokers or RR are all > "bad" but I > have seen the negative aspects and the uneducated. I have also > seen the > greed and total waste of money. > I am also sorry for your predicament and my remarks were not > directed > towards you in any way. I think you are one of the most > intelligent and > knowledgeable investor/educators. I feel fortunate to have found > this group > and to continue to be able to study WON with an intelligent > group of > people. > And my recommendation to any investors is "know your broker" as > the broker > is suppose to "know the customer." > Steff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Worley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > Not to defend them, but being a good broker requires lots of > > effort and time. I considered myself a "good" broker, even if > all > > my thoughts and opinions didn't prove to be correct. I still > gave > > it my best effort, and typically worked a 12 hour day. > > > > Far too many brokers are simply sales persons. That is a result > > of the industry, not necessarily their personal ethics. So long > > as their compensation is dependent on commissions generated, > the > > problem will persist. And sales persons rarely understand the > > importance of service. > > > > When you are financially rewarded for generating a commission, > > without regard or consequence to whether it proves to be in the > > best interests of the client, you will have a major problem. > That > > is why asset managers, who take a fee based on the value of the > > acct, are succeeding. If they do a good job overall of managing > > the portfolio, then its value goes up and so does their > > percentage based fee. > > > > There will always be a large number of people who simply lack > the > > time, knowledge or experience to manage their own portfolio. > > Unfortunately, it takes the combination of both success and > time > > for a Registered Rep to attain the power to oppose the policy > and > > attitudes of his employer, and become a self determining > broker. > > > > WON talks in HTMMIS about both his personal experience as a > > broker, as well as how to find the right one for you "today" > > (over 10 years ago). I find his words still current and > accurate, > > and worth reading again if you are not doing your own trades > > online without assistance. > > > > One of the enlightening observations when I became a broker > over > > a decade ago was to discover just how few brokers were capable > of > > managing their own personal finances. Back then, most brokers > > were on the payroll as "self employed", meaning they not only > > were responsible for all the FICA and SS taxes and stuff, but > > were expected to make quarterly payments of estimated taxes to > > IRS. I never had done that before, but did not find it too > > difficult (other than financially). But I was amazed to find > that > > most brokers tended to just spend their paycheck without > thought > > to consequences, and ended up in major debt to IRS. > > > > Brokers tend to be eternally optimistic, they have to be, as > > their income depends directly on the trading activity of their > > clients. I couldn't encourage clients to trade when I didn't > feel > > it was right for them, so my activity (and resulting income) > was > > down, and why I am not a broker today. > > > > Why am I not financially independent today? Lots of reasons, > > including loss of income when my wife died, lack of capital to > > generate gains (50% growth sounds good, but when it's on a > $5,000 > > account, you don't retire on it), high expenses that took years > > to overcome, lack of discipline and knowledge, etc. > > > > Were I in a lapse of memory and intelligence to suddenly find > > myself once again handling clients, I would do things > > differently, mostly persuading clients to put most of their > funds > > into a mutual fund, with class "C" shares. That generates a > > trailing commission, much like an annuity. It means living > > without much of an income from funds invested now, but creating > a > > steady income stream for the future. And for most clients, the > > stability of funds allows them to sleep comfortably at night, > and > > only look at their portfolio every quarter or so. > > > > Ultimately, it takes money to make money, and most brokers > don't > > have the money to start with, and don't really know what to do > > with it when they have it. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jsteff > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > Just a comment about "brokers". If they are so knowledgeable > and > > great at > > stock picking why are they still trying to sell the "next great > > company" to > > their clients? Shouldn't they have made their millions by now > > and retired? > > Steff > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Worley" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 8:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > Naturally, this group is a bunch of independent thinkers, > > capable > > > of making a decision for themselves. I wish I could say the > > same > > > for my former colleagues holding securities licenses, or > their > > > clients. And we all try to help each other stay out of harm's > > > way. Typically we don't have an investment banking > relationship > > > to the same stocks we are analyzing, thus no bias. > > > > > > The wirehouses are a joke when it comes to their "plain > > English" > > > labels for ratings. You need a matrix to translate a "hold" > as > > > really meaning "sell that sucka, now, at any price". I did > find > > > such a matrix on the net a year or so ago, don't remember if > I > > > bookmarked it or not, but if I find it again, I'll post it. > > > > > > Tom Worley > > > stkguru@netside.net > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Steve F > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:27 PM > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > I enjoy following the recommendations of analysts that > > > have maintained 'buy' or better on stocks as they have > > > fallen 75% to 90% from their highs and only then > > > changing the recommendations to a 'hold'. Ridiculous > > > if it were not so pitiful that many, many people > > > follow these analysts and their recommendations. Also > > > check out how many 'sell' recommendations you find. > > > Surely there are some stocks that you would want to > > > unload. > > > With every bit of sincerity, I have found that > > > recommendations or suggestions from the people in this > > > group to surpass anything I have ever received from > > > any brokerage house. > > > Steve > > > > > > --- Tim Fisher wrote: > > > > And I can give you just as many examples of stocks > > > > for which the downgrade > > > > was a non-event a few days later. How could you know > > > > which would be the > > > > case with your stock? You are not prescient, neither > > > > am I, and that is what > > > > stops are for (IMHO!) As the list has discussed, > > > > downgrades based on a > > > > stock reaching a nonsense "target price" are just > > > > plain silly. If what is > > > > "wrong" with COCO is that it broke out and reached a > > > > new high, then give me > > > > more of these "wrong" stocks, the more the merrier! > > > > > > > > On 08:36 AM 5/23/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > > > >WON is clear that sometimes you can and should get > > > > out of a stock before it > > > > >is down 7-8% from your buy point if things don't > > > > look right. > > > > > > > > > >Today's free fall at the open was a clear sign to > > > > me not to wait for 8%. > > > > >With the stock violating its pivot on high volume, > > > > something was clearly > > > > >wrong. > > > > > > > > > >RYL is an even better example. It fell on huge > > > > volume on a downgrade on > > > > >5/16. With the pivot at 50.38, RYL would not have > > > > triggered stops for those > > > > >who bought at the right time. But this downgrade > > > > was not forgotten days > > > > >later, and RYL is now back into its base and shows > > > > no signs of recovery. > > > > > > > > > >Preservation of capital ... preservation of capital > > > > ... SERENITY NOW ... > > > > >SERENITY NOW ... > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:27 AM > > > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you had an 8% stop loss and caught the pivot > > > > within 5% you would still > > > > > > be in. Was your stop at your buy point? I am not > > > > at all concerned about > > > > > > COCO, as the list has discussed (too much) > > > > yesterday, these kind of > > > > > > downgrades are usually forgotten within 2 days > > > > of the knee-jerk sell-off. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 06:47 AM 5/23/01, Rick Parsons Said: > > > > > > >COCO was downgraded this morning and I got > > > > stopped out! Darn Analysts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Dave Cameron > > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:11 PM > > > > > > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Analyst up/downgrades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Patti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm very cynical on analyst downgrades (or > > > > upgrades). As a general > > > > > > >rule, in the recent bear on the Nasdaq, > > > > analysts for major brokerage > > > > > > >houses would rate companies like CSCO as a > > > > strong buy half way down > > > > > > >its descent. At that point, they'd say it was > > > > overvalued (AFTER it > > > > > > >had already shed 30% - and they'd probably got > > > > their clients out). > > > > > > >This proclamation generally was the catalyst > > > > for another quick fall. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On the flip side, I've been burned in bull > > > > markets this way. I once > > > > > > >bought a stock on a breakout to a new high. 2 > > > > days later, it was > > > > > > >downgraded by a Merrill Lynch analyst. The > > > > stock quickly dropped > > > > > > >15% on the announcement - leaving me with a > > > > quick 8% loss. Silly > > > > > > >me, I figured the only reason the stock went > > > > down was because of the > > > > > > >analyst downgrade. Well, I learned the hard > > > > way that once Merrill > > > > > > >Lynch talks, others follow. A week later, the > > > > stock was down 25%, > > > > > > >and I was still holding it. I had to sell > > > > then, realizing I was > > > > > > >wrong. 3 months later it got back above my buy > > > > price. I'm > > > > > > >confident that had ML not downgraded the stock, > > > > I would have had a > > > > > > >profit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >My two cents, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > > >Dave Cameron > > > > > > >dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > > > > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > >Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FRX Date: 29 May 2001 09:59:03 -0400 Hi Perry, I don't see the chart as a consolidation, certainly not for the past 6 months, as the price range has been too great. Right now, I see a vague c&h that started 3/1 at 67.20 and formed a short (less than 1 week) handle at 70 on 5/22. Thus, the handle is too high, and too brief. Buying it here, IMO, is buying momentum without a safety net. I see no nearby support, so could retreat easily. Keep a tight watch on it if you buy it. I also note that market cap is about 10 times sales, pretty high. EPS isn't the problem, as the 5 year growth rate is 69%, and the two most recent qtrs easily beat that at 100% and 138%. Trailing PE is very high at 59, even Projected PE is high at 47. Funds ownership is high at 34%, ROE is low at 14% (but so was EPIQ's). Cash flow is good at $1.27 vs latest earnings of $0.64. DGO does not rank it in the top 6 because of its RS 83. But it does appear to have better EPS ranking than any of the top companies in its group. I don't know if they have anything for "N". Another site I use indicates new high is 74.11, which appears to have been set on 5/25, so don't know why the RS is so low. That could improve rapidly if it maintains its momentum. Good luck, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:22 AM Tom, Pride goeth before fall, and I'm thinking about using real money here, so your input would be appreciated. I see a consolidation pattern of at least 6 months on the chart, with a nice pop on a new 52 wk high, 124%. No handle, so I'm cheating a little. Number 1 stock in Medical/Ethical, Yes, it is in a weak group, but so was EPIQ, I told myself........ RS line is increasing nicely, new high. Fundies: Very high growth company, EPS increasing last 5 qtrs, Cannot see %change in EPS easily with my software. I'm guessing this is where your'e leary about this stock. Thanks Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 29 May 2001 10:06:23 -0400 Hi Rick, The biggest deficiency, IMO, is that while DGO gives you charts of all stocks, the reports only include those stocks in the books. I think it is Friday's index to the books that includes the industry group. You can use that list without having to go to Excel, just click on the header and it will sort the index by industry group. Then scroll down to the group you want to review, select the first stock, and minimize the list. Now you can scroll thru the list from there by hitting either the space bar or the down arrow, then hitting Enter. If you export a list to Excel (or construct a list from elsewhere) so you can do more sophisticated sorting, you can bring that list back in so that you can scroll thru it in the same way. There are instructions on the site on how to do this. You don't have to type the symbols one by one. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:06 AM We pay a pretty hefty price to subscribe to DGO. No doubt the information provided is valuable. However ability to screen within DGO is behind the times. For example, it would be nice to select a sector and just rank or graph the stocks in that sector. Of course we can do that in Excel but once in Excel, there is no way to see the stock's graphs unless we want to type in every symbol into DGO manually. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:35 AM Not sure that I quite agree. Certainly these three groups right now do offer some strong growth potential, particularly medical with the aging population. Retail might be attractive as it has been battered down, but if consumers start spending again as they enjoy the windfall wealth of an improving market, the comparisons could be quite strong. Neither group attracts me, I will mostly stick to tech stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:22 PM So this means you agree with "computer, medical and retail sectors." thanks Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Historically, from my experience, medical stocks > have not proven > to be good leadership. Biotechs have done a little > better, but > only relatively. Forget REITs, regional banks, and > similar S&Ls, > they may be opportunistic, but they are not leaders. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders > > > more on the subject, Same issue. > > "Leading stocks move in packs. When you see a few > companies making bullish moves, look for related > stocks to follow. The table of 52-Week Highs & Lows > in > the print edition is sorted by sectors with the most > new highs for that very reason. > > Real estate investment trusts, regional banks and > savings and loans have clogged the top of the list > in > recent weeks. They're benefiting from the Fed's rate > cuts. But they're not typically areas where you find > big winning stocks. Look a little farther down the > list and you'll see the computer, medical and retail > sectors. They have a better track record of > generating > market leaders." > > -------- > > > --- Kent Norman wrote: > > As the group knows, I have been searching for > clues > > as > > to the new leading group. Perhaps this note from > > Friday's IBD is a hint? What do you folks think? > > > > "Thursday's Stocks: A number of medical stocks > have > > taken leading roles in the past few weeks. > Biotechs > > moved up for a second day." > > > > Thanks > > Kent Norman > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 29 May 2001 10:24:20 -0400 Tom, Thanks for the information. I had no idea we could bring our screened Excel list back into DGO. I will have to find those instructions. From looking around the DGO site, I did find that they have an Industry Group list on Fridays, and it is available until Monday noon. Unfortunately, with Monday being a Holiday, it was too late to access the list on Tuesday. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:06 AM Hi Rick, The biggest deficiency, IMO, is that while DGO gives you charts of all stocks, the reports only include those stocks in the books. I think it is Friday's index to the books that includes the industry group. You can use that list without having to go to Excel, just click on the header and it will sort the index by industry group. Then scroll down to the group you want to review, select the first stock, and minimize the list. Now you can scroll thru the list from there by hitting either the space bar or the down arrow, then hitting Enter. If you export a list to Excel (or construct a list from elsewhere) so you can do more sophisticated sorting, you can bring that list back in so that you can scroll thru it in the same way. There are instructions on the site on how to do this. You don't have to type the symbols one by one. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:06 AM We pay a pretty hefty price to subscribe to DGO. No doubt the information provided is valuable. However ability to screen within DGO is behind the times. For example, it would be nice to select a sector and just rank or graph the stocks in that sector. Of course we can do that in Excel but once in Excel, there is no way to see the stock's graphs unless we want to type in every symbol into DGO manually. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:35 AM Not sure that I quite agree. Certainly these three groups right now do offer some strong growth potential, particularly medical with the aging population. Retail might be attractive as it has been battered down, but if consumers start spending again as they enjoy the windfall wealth of an improving market, the comparisons could be quite strong. Neither group attracts me, I will mostly stick to tech stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:22 PM So this means you agree with "computer, medical and retail sectors." thanks Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Historically, from my experience, medical stocks > have not proven > to be good leadership. Biotechs have done a little > better, but > only relatively. Forget REITs, regional banks, and > similar S&Ls, > they may be opportunistic, but they are not leaders. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders > > > more on the subject, Same issue. > > "Leading stocks move in packs. When you see a few > companies making bullish moves, look for related > stocks to follow. The table of 52-Week Highs & Lows > in > the print edition is sorted by sectors with the most > new highs for that very reason. > > Real estate investment trusts, regional banks and > savings and loans have clogged the top of the list > in > recent weeks. They're benefiting from the Fed's rate > cuts. But they're not typically areas where you find > big winning stocks. Look a little farther down the > list and you'll see the computer, medical and retail > sectors. They have a better track record of > generating > market leaders." > > -------- > > > --- Kent Norman wrote: > > As the group knows, I have been searching for > clues > > as > > to the new leading group. Perhaps this note from > > Friday's IBD is a hint? What do you folks think? > > > > "Thursday's Stocks: A number of medical stocks > have > > taken leading roles in the past few weeks. > Biotechs > > moved up for a second day." > > > > Thanks > > Kent Norman > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 29 May 2001 10:36:09 -0400 Friday's list being sent privately, Rick. To bring an Excel list back in for easy scrolling, look under Info for You, Tips & Tricks and scroll down to Report Tips & Tricks. There you will find a paragraph in red titled Convenience Tip. Hope this helps all DGO users as well. BTW, I think the next major upgrade to DGO is supposed to add a lot of new features, including possibly more data by industry or sector. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:24 AM Tom, Thanks for the information. I had no idea we could bring our screened Excel list back into DGO. I will have to find those instructions. >From looking around the DGO site, I did find that they have an Industry Group list on Fridays, and it is available until Monday noon. Unfortunately, with Monday being a Holiday, it was too late to access the list on Tuesday. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:06 AM Hi Rick, The biggest deficiency, IMO, is that while DGO gives you charts of all stocks, the reports only include those stocks in the books. I think it is Friday's index to the books that includes the industry group. You can use that list without having to go to Excel, just click on the header and it will sort the index by industry group. Then scroll down to the group you want to review, select the first stock, and minimize the list. Now you can scroll thru the list from there by hitting either the space bar or the down arrow, then hitting Enter. If you export a list to Excel (or construct a list from elsewhere) so you can do more sophisticated sorting, you can bring that list back in so that you can scroll thru it in the same way. There are instructions on the site on how to do this. You don't have to type the symbols one by one. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:06 AM We pay a pretty hefty price to subscribe to DGO. No doubt the information provided is valuable. However ability to screen within DGO is behind the times. For example, it would be nice to select a sector and just rank or graph the stocks in that sector. Of course we can do that in Excel but once in Excel, there is no way to see the stock's graphs unless we want to type in every symbol into DGO manually. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:35 AM Not sure that I quite agree. Certainly these three groups right now do offer some strong growth potential, particularly medical with the aging population. Retail might be attractive as it has been battered down, but if consumers start spending again as they enjoy the windfall wealth of an improving market, the comparisons could be quite strong. Neither group attracts me, I will mostly stick to tech stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:22 PM So this means you agree with "computer, medical and retail sectors." thanks Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Historically, from my experience, medical stocks > have not proven > to be good leadership. Biotechs have done a little > better, but > only relatively. Forget REITs, regional banks, and > similar S&Ls, > they may be opportunistic, but they are not leaders. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders > > > more on the subject, Same issue. > > "Leading stocks move in packs. When you see a few > companies making bullish moves, look for related > stocks to follow. The table of 52-Week Highs & Lows > in > the print edition is sorted by sectors with the most > new highs for that very reason. > > Real estate investment trusts, regional banks and > savings and loans have clogged the top of the list > in > recent weeks. They're benefiting from the Fed's rate > cuts. But they're not typically areas where you find > big winning stocks. Look a little farther down the > list and you'll see the computer, medical and retail > sectors. They have a better track record of > generating > market leaders." > > -------- > > > --- Kent Norman wrote: > > As the group knows, I have been searching for > clues > > as > > to the new leading group. Perhaps this note from > > Friday's IBD is a hint? What do you folks think? > > > > "Thursday's Stocks: A number of medical stocks > have > > taken leading roles in the past few weeks. > Biotechs > > moved up for a second day." > > > > Thanks > > Kent Norman > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich Weinhold" Subject: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 10:18:16 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C0E828.ACFEF5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Count me in also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone will = have help me on that Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C0E828.ACFEF5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C0E828.ACFEF5E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FRX Date: 29 May 2001 10:26:43 -0500 >>I see a consolidation pattern of at least 6 months on the chart, with a nice pop on a new 52 wk high, 124%. No handle, so I'm cheating a little.<< If the stock has a solid consolidation in the upper half of its base and then moves to a new high without forming a handle it is often okay to buy the new high. However, if the stock moves from the bottom of its base all the way out to a new high, this is usually a faulty pattern. In this case it would be okay buy but it's certainly not the safest entry. ELNT in July 2000 is a good example of buying a non handle new high. CAMP, in the same period, is an example of the faulty pattern described above. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:22 AM > Tom, > > Pride goeth before fall, and I'm thinking about using real money here, so > your input would be appreciated. > > I see a consolidation pattern of at least 6 months on the chart, with a nice > pop on a new 52 wk high, 124%. No handle, so I'm cheating a little. > > Number 1 stock in Medical/Ethical, Yes, it is in a weak group, but so was > EPIQ, I told myself........ > > RS line is increasing nicely, new high. > > Fundies: Very high growth company, EPS increasing last 5 qtrs, Cannot see > %change in EPS easily with my software. > I'm guessing this is where your'e leary about this stock. > > Thanks > > Perry > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Weekly Scan Date: 29 May 2001 10:40:51 -0500 Rick, My scan is bulk list of 17 different fundamental and technical scans that I believe are likely to capture potential CS stocks. There are many repeats in the list and that simply means they came across in more than one scan..a kind of CANSLIM confluence. You have to visually inspect the charts in the list to see if they are setting up to buy. It is a lot of work and you may just want to delete the list if you don't want to go through it each week. If you check the archives I wrote a longer email on the scans and answered several questions. Lastly, you could just look at the stocks with a certain minimum number of hits. For example, if a stock shows up at least 3 times look at it and ignore the rest. Tim, recently gave a formula for calculating this but I don't know it. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 7:18 PM > David, > Could you explain what this list is and how it helps you with CANSLIM? > I am sure you posted this information before but I must have missed it. > Thanks, > > Rick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Squires > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:34 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Weekly Scan > > > > << File: Weekly Scan.xls >> > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Maguire Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's Date: 29 May 2001 09:20:38 -0700 Dan..good idea ..count me in on it..thxs...Joe Dan wrote: > Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list conversation exploring indicators, > their use, application, interpretation to CANSLIM investing? > > I say off list, because this subject matter may annoy those who want to keep the > list more tightly focused to ONeil and his framing. If this is not the case, it > does not need to be off list. > > We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply all". > > Just one of my bright ideas that I thought I would through out for members to > take potshots. > > I know I feel constrained to post on this topic. > > Dan > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 12:29:22 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0E83A.FD9F5A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe if you just click on *reply* you will automatically just reply = to the new group TI canslim without it going to the original group. Make = sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. Just save the new TI = canslim address and use it for new posts. DanF DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Weinhold=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Count me in also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone will = have help me on that Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0E83A.FD9F5A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe if you just click on *reply* you will = automatically=20 just reply to the new group TI canslim without it going to the original = group.=20 Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. Just save the new = TI=20 canslim address and use it for new posts.
 
DanF
 
DanF
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rich=20 Weinhold
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 11:18=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

Count me = in also, as=20 to how to keep off the camslim site, someone will have help me on=20 that
Rich
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0E83A.FD9F5A00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stockndoc@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 12:31:00 EDT --part1_62.f396b82.284528c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please include me in this discussion --part1_62.f396b82.284528c4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please include me in this discussion --part1_62.f396b82.284528c4_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Date: 29 May 2001 09:34:48 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E85C.DE81DFA4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm interested. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:11 AM Leader's List)) Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list conversation exploring indicators, their use, application, interpretation to CANSLIM investing? I say off list, because this subject matter may annoy those who want to keep the list more tightly focused to ONeil and his framing. If this is not the case, it does not need to be off list. We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply all". Just one of my bright ideas that I thought I would through out for members to take potshots. I know I feel constrained to post on this topic. Dan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/29/01 09:33:16 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E85C.DE81DFA4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's List))

I'm interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan [mailto:dcash@compuall.net]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:11 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My
Leader's List))


Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list conversation exploring indicators,
their use, application, interpretation to CANSLIM investing?

I say off list, because this subject matter may annoy those who want to keep the
list more tightly focused to ONeil and his framing.  If this is not the case, it
does not need to be off list.

We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply all".

Just one of my bright ideas that I thought I would through out for members to
take potshots.

I know I feel constrained to post on this topic.

Dan




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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E85C.DE81DFA4-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 12:40:53 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0E83C.995F1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan, When I click on reply, I would be sending to the full group. I assume = this is a new address you have set up with Jeff? Please provide the = specific address so I can add it to my address book. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Forant=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} I believe if you just click on *reply* you will automatically just = reply to the new group TI canslim without it going to the original = group. Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. Just save = the new TI canslim address and use it for new posts. =20 DanF =20 DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Weinhold=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Count me in also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone = will have help me on that Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0E83C.995F1100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dan,
 
When I click on reply, I would be sending to the = full group. I=20 assume this is a new address you have set up with Jeff? Please provide = the=20 specific address so I can add it to my address book.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 12:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

I believe if you just click on *reply* you will=20 automatically just reply to the new group TI canslim without it going = to the=20 original group. Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. = Just save=20 the new TI canslim address and use it for new posts.
 
DanF
 
DanF
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rich Weinhold
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 11:18=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

Count = me in also,=20 as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone will have help me on = that
Rich
------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0E83C.995F1100-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 12:41:50 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C0E83C.BBA4DEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Count me in. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Stockndoc@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Please include me in this discussion=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C0E83C.BBA4DEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Count me in.
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 Stockndoc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 Camslim[indicator Discussion}

Please include me in this = discussion=20
------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C0E83C.BBA4DEC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 12:50:40 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0E83D.F7357A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TI_CANSLIM@yahoogroups.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Dan, When I click on reply, I would be sending to the full group. I assume = this is a new address you have set up with Jeff? Please provide the = specific address so I can add it to my address book. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Forant=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} I believe if you just click on *reply* you will automatically just = reply to the new group TI canslim without it going to the original = group. Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. Just save = the new TI canslim address and use it for new posts. DanF DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Weinhold=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Count me in also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone = will have help me on that Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0E83D.F7357A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TI_CANSLIM@yahoogroups.com=
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 12:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

Dan,
 
When I click on reply, I would be sending to the = full group.=20 I assume this is a new address you have set up with Jeff? Please = provide the=20 specific address so I can add it to my address book.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 12:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 Camslim[indicator Discussion}

I believe if you just click on *reply* you will=20 automatically just reply to the new group TI canslim without it = going to the=20 original group. Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. = Just=20 save the new TI canslim address and use it for new = posts.
 
DanF
 
DanF
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rich Weinhold
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 11:18=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

Count me in=20 also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone will have = help me on=20 that
Rich
=
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0E83D.F7357A20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 12:50:40 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0E83D.F7357A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TI_CANSLIM@yahoogroups.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Dan, When I click on reply, I would be sending to the full group. I assume = this is a new address you have set up with Jeff? Please provide the = specific address so I can add it to my address book. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Forant=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} I believe if you just click on *reply* you will automatically just = reply to the new group TI canslim without it going to the original = group. Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. Just save = the new TI canslim address and use it for new posts. DanF DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Weinhold=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Count me in also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone = will have help me on that Rich ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0E83D.F7357A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
TI_CANSLIM@yahoogroups.com=
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 12:40=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

Dan,
 
When I click on reply, I would be sending to the = full group.=20 I assume this is a new address you have set up with Jeff? Please = provide the=20 specific address so I can add it to my address book.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 12:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 Camslim[indicator Discussion}

I believe if you just click on *reply* you will=20 automatically just reply to the new group TI canslim without it = going to the=20 original group. Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. = Just=20 save the new TI canslim address and use it for new = posts.
 
DanF
 
DanF
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rich Weinhold
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 11:18=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

Count me in=20 also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone will have = help me on=20 that
Rich
=
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0E83D.F7357A20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 13:11:37 -0400 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E862.6B5ADD90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I want in too. I think if enough people want in (more than 50%?), we should just discuss indicators as part of the basic CANSLIM discussion group. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:42 PM Count me in. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Stockndoc@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM Please include me in this discussion ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E862.6B5ADD90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I want in too.  I think if enough people want in (more than 50%?), we should just discuss indicators as part of the basic CANSLIM discussion group.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Parsons [mailto:RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:42 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion}

Count me in.
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Stockndoc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion}

Please include me in this discussion
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E862.6B5ADD90-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 29 May 2001 10:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Doug or anyone: As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like the general market so far today. At what price point do you consider that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's action continued) would you bail? Dave ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 29 May 2001 14:03:32 -0400 Bail? Why? I'm considering adding more here. It's been a nice, low volume pullback for IGT, like a second handle. I would consider 59.13 to be the pivot and it has not violated it thus far. It has now filled the gap. IMO it's behaving very well since its breakout. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Cameron > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:52 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > Doug or anyone: > > As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like the > general market so far today. At what price point do you consider > that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's action > continued) would you bail? > > Dave > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 14:09:41 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0E849.00D6AEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It may not be wise to dilute the value of the CANSLIM group this way. = Some have been loyal to the group for a long time. My suggestion would = be to keep the groups separate, or if need be upon popular approval, do = something like use *TI* preceding subject, so those not wanting to get = involved could filter out. DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} I want in too. I think if enough people want in (more than 50%?), we = should just discuss indicators as part of the basic CANSLIM discussion = group. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Parsons [mailto:RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:42 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Count me in. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Stockndoc@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Please include me in this discussion=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0E849.00D6AEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It may not be wise to dilute the value of the = CANSLIM group=20 this way. Some have been loyal to the group for a long time. My = suggestion would=20 be to keep the groups separate, or if need be upon popular approval, do=20 something like use *TI* preceding subject, so those not wanting to get = involved=20 could filter out.
 
DanF
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cefaloni,=20 John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

I=20 want in too.  I think if enough people want in (more than 50%?), = we=20 should just discuss indicators as part of the basic CANSLIM discussion = group.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Parsons=20 [mailto:RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May = 29, 2001=20 12:42 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion}

Count me in.
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 Stockndoc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion}

Please include me in this=20 discussion =
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0E849.00D6AEE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sisyphus" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 29 May 2001 11:33:30 -0700 Really. Compared to others like AMSGA, COLM, IGT is behaving rather= moderately. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/29/2001 at 2:03 PM Dave wrote: >Bail? Why? I'm considering adding more here. It's been a nice, low volume >pullback for IGT, like a second handle. > >I would consider 59.13 to be the pivot and it has not violated it thus= far. >It has now filled the gap. IMO it's behaving very well since its breakout. > p - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 29 May 2001 11:52:32 -0700 Not to mention PENN, USPH, and the homebuilder and clothing/shoes groups. I am out of the former and will not get back into the latter unless I see some stabilization of prices, not acceleration of losses like I see the past 2 trading days...I guess doughnuts is where we should have been all along... On 11:33 AM 5/29/01, Sisyphus Said: >Really. Compared to others like AMSGA, COLM, IGT is behaving rather >moderately. > >*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >On 5/29/2001 at 2:03 PM Dave wrote: > > >Bail? Why? I'm considering adding more here. It's been a nice, low volume > >pullback for IGT, like a second handle. > > > >I would consider 59.13 to be the pivot and it has not violated it thus far. > >It has now filled the gap. IMO it's behaving very well since its breakout. > > >p > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Shelley Lowenstein" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 14:52:32 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C0E84E.FD4F4E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable count me in. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Forant=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} I believe if you just click on *reply* you will automatically just = reply to the new group TI canslim without it going to the original = group. Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. Just save = the new TI canslim address and use it for new posts. DanF DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Weinhold=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Count me in also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone = will have help me on that Rich ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C0E84E.FD4F4E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
count me  in.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 12:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

I believe if you just click on *reply* you will=20 automatically just reply to the new group TI canslim without it going = to the=20 original group. Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. = Just save=20 the new TI canslim address and use it for new posts.
 
DanF
 
DanF
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rich Weinhold
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 11:18=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

Count = me in also,=20 as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone will have help me on = that
Rich
= ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C0E84E.FD4F4E20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sisyphus" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 29 May 2001 12:05:33 -0700 Yeah, I got stopped out--smacked out!--of BZH some time ago. Very= volatile. John *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/29/2001 at 11:52 AM Tim Fisher wrote: >Not to mention PENN, USPH, and the homebuilder and clothing/shoes groups. >I >am out of the former and will not get back into the latter unless I see >some stabilization of prices, not acceleration of losses like I see the >past 2 trading days...I guess doughnuts is where we should have been all >along... > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric Daviscourt" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 14:25:08 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C0E84B.29659BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to participate as well. Eric ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} I want in too. I think if enough people want in (more than 50%?), we = should just discuss indicators as part of the basic CANSLIM discussion = group. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Parsons [mailto:RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:42 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Count me in. Rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Stockndoc@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Please include me in this discussion=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C0E84B.29659BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to participate as = well.
 
Eric
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cefaloni,=20 John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 12:11=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

I=20 want in too.  I think if enough people want in (more than 50%?), = we=20 should just discuss indicators as part of the basic CANSLIM discussion = group.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Parsons=20 [mailto:RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May = 29, 2001=20 12:42 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion}

Count me in.
 
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 Stockndoc@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion}

Please include me in this=20 discussion =
------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C0E84B.29659BD0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tracie Oken" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 13:09:30 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B0_01C0E840.98918B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please include me in the list as well ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rich Weinhold=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:18 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Count me in also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone will = have help me on that Rich ------=_NextPart_000_02B0_01C0E840.98918B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please include me in the list as = well
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rich=20 Weinhold
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 8:18 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

Count me = in also, as=20 to how to keep off the camslim site, someone will have help me on=20 that
Rich
------=_NextPart_000_02B0_01C0E840.98918B00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] OSG Date: 29 May 2001 16:13:11 EDT --part1_aa.1611644e.28455cd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OSG 78/86 CAA, numbers also look good last 4 qtrs were, 2).30v.23 3).78v.06 4)1.38v-.01 1)1.19v.15 At 34.5 this has a PE of 9.5 Company has made some changes that appear to be hitting the bottom line. Shares out 34 mil float of 27 mil Might call a C&H with C between the beginning of March to mid April and H between 30 to 31.5 for 4 weeks. Monthly chart also looks good. This would give it about 10% past pivot, thoughts, feedback? Chris --part1_aa.1611644e.28455cd7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OSG 78/86 CAA, numbers also look good last 4 qtrs were,
2).30v.23
3).78v.06
4)1.38v-.01
1)1.19v.15
At 34.5 this has a PE of 9.5  Company has made some changes that appear to be
hitting the bottom line. Shares out 34 mil float of 27 mil
Might call a C&H with C between the beginning of March to mid April and H
between 30 to 31.5 for 4 weeks. Monthly chart also looks good. This would
give it about 10% past pivot, thoughts, feedback?

Chris --part1_aa.1611644e.28455cd7_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Shannon" Subject: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? Date: 29 May 2001 16:29:26 -0400 I know it got downgraded last week and has been selling off but today was brutal. I bought at the pivot of 31.94 and got stopped out today at 29.38 ( for an 8% loss) as it crashed back into its base and thru the 50MA. Thanks, Doug Shannon new canslimer - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: For Rick - DGO Index (was Fw: [CANSLIM] new leaders) Date: 29 May 2001 12:03:32 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C0E837.61DA0FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, members, Rick's ISP has mine blocked because of an "open spam relay" Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:59 AM Here's Friday's list, Rick. I had to zip it because of the size, kept crashing my mail server. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:24 AM Tom, Thanks for the information. I had no idea we could bring our screened Excel list back into DGO. I will have to find those instructions. >From looking around the DGO site, I did find that they have an Industry Group list on Fridays, and it is available until Monday noon. Unfortunately, with Monday being a Holiday, it was too late to access the list on Tuesday. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Salisbury Subject: [CANSLIM] Clean up the footer... Date: 29 May 2001 14:22:28 -0600 Hello Everyone, Tom Worley pointed out to me that the automatic canslim footer (with the subscribe/unsubscribe instructions) can accumulate as the multiple replies "stack-up". You will add to the readability of your posting if you will take the time to prune out these cumulative footers. Regards, Jeff - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "dannygottlieb" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? Date: 29 May 2001 23:44:31 +0200 Misery loves company.We got stopped out of CHIC and HOTT today. Is this "M" really ripe for CANSLIMING? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:29 PM > I know it got downgraded last week and has been selling off but today was > brutal. I bought at the pivot of 31.94 and got stopped out today at 29.38 > ( for an 8% loss) as it crashed back into its base and thru the 50MA. > > Thanks, > > Doug Shannon > new canslimer > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? Date: 29 May 2001 17:19:00 -0400 Doug and Danny, I realize that hindsight is always 20-20, and it's easier to procrastinate when I don't have real money on the table, but I must ask why you were not using a trailing stop? Congrats on getting in at the pivot, I would agree that under 32 was a good entry. But after it had moved up to nearly 40, you clearly were ahead by over 15%, and could have applied a mental or hard stop. That should have taken you out on 5/22, with at least a small profit, instead of being stopped out for a loss. As for "M", I would say that this is anything but a raging bull, more like a mewing newborn calf, still trying to make its mark on the world. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:44 PM Misery loves company.We got stopped out of CHIC and HOTT today. Is this "M" really ripe for CANSLIMING? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:29 PM > I know it got downgraded last week and has been selling off but today was > brutal. I bought at the pivot of 31.94 and got stopped out today at 29.38 > ( for an 8% loss) as it crashed back into its base and thru the 50MA. > > Thanks, > > Doug Shannon > new canslimer > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: [CANSLIM] C&H B/O - NAUT Date: 29 May 2001 14:24:55 -0700 For those searching for a C&H breakout... Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OSG Date: 29 May 2001 17:29:13 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C0E864.E20C3B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks good, Chris. I would note the 112% debt, funds at 20% and 12% ROE, = but all are well offset by numerous other factors, including cash flow. I see they just got the rights to two VLCC under construction. So long = as the price of crude holds up, the future looks good. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] OSG OSG 78/86 CAA, numbers also look good last 4 qtrs were,=20 2).30v.23=20 3).78v.06=20 4)1.38v-.01=20 1)1.19v.15=20 At 34.5 this has a PE of 9.5 Company has made some changes that = appear to be=20 hitting the bottom line. Shares out 34 mil float of 27 mil=20 Might call a C&H with C between the beginning of March to mid April = and H=20 between 30 to 31.5 for 4 weeks. Monthly chart also looks good. This = would=20 give it about 10% past pivot, thoughts, feedback?=20 Chris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C0E864.E20C3B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks good, Chris. I would note the 112% debt, funds = at 20%=20 and 12% ROE, but all are well offset by numerous other factors, = including cash=20 flow.
 
I see they just got the rights to two VLCC under = construction.=20 So long as the price of crude holds up, the future looks = good.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 4:13 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OSG

OSG 78/86 = CAA, numbers=20 also look good last 4 qtrs were,
2).30v.23
3).78v.06 =
4)1.38v-.01=20
1)1.19v.15
At 34.5 this has a PE of 9.5  Company has made = some=20 changes that appear to be
hitting the bottom line. Shares out 34 = mil float=20 of 27 mil
Might call a C&H with C between the beginning of = March to=20 mid April and H
between 30 to 31.5 for 4 weeks. Monthly chart also = looks=20 good. This would
give it about 10% past pivot, thoughts, feedback? =

Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C0E864.E20C3B80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] C&H B/O - NAUT Date: 29 May 2001 17:36:56 -0400 Sorry, Tim, but I would black flag this one on its earnings growth. Two of the past three qtrs showed earnings growth in single digits, the forecast for the full year is only 9%. And all three of the latest qtrs showed revenues growth of 11% or less. Its 5 year earnings growth is also 10%, and funds already own 40%. But I agree, nice chart, and worth studying. Would have been a nice short term trade if bot on Friday. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:24 PM For those searching for a C&H breakout... Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] C&H B/O - NAUT Date: 29 May 2001 14:55:45 -0700 I agree, it is not 100% CANSLIM, does nopt make my HGS list, just pointing out the C&H. However its EPS is 82, which puts it into OK territory in my book, just not on my list... On 02:36 PM 5/29/01, Tom Worley Said: >Sorry, Tim, but I would black flag this one on its earnings >growth. Two of the past three qtrs showed earnings growth in >single digits, the forecast for the full year is only 9%. And all >three of the latest qtrs showed revenues growth of 11% or less. > >Its 5 year earnings growth is also 10%, and funds already own >40%. > >But I agree, nice chart, and worth studying. Would have been a >nice short term trade if bot on Friday. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tim Fisher >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:24 PM >Subject: [CANSLIM] C&H B/O - NAUT > > >For those searching for a C&H breakout... > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Shannon" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? Date: 29 May 2001 18:07:54 -0400 Tom, I'm new to canslim but am trying to follow the rules exactly as stated by WON in his books, advanced seminars, and IBD learning center. Does WON specifically talk about trailing stops after a 15% move above the pivot? All I can remember is selling it if it goes up 20%+ taking longer than 4 weeks and keeping it if it goes up 20%+ in less than 4 weeks. I don't remember any mention of trailing stops. That diffently would have helped with CHIC. Thanks, Doug Tom wrote: Doug and Danny, I realize that hindsight is always 20-20, and it's easier to procrastinate when I don't have real money on the table, but I must ask why you were not using a trailing stop? Congrats on getting in at the pivot, I would agree that under 32 was a good entry. But after it had moved up to nearly 40, you clearly were ahead by over 15%, and could have applied a mental or hard stop. That should have taken you out on 5/22, with at least a small profit, instead of being stopped out for a loss. As for "M", I would say that this is anything but a raging bull, more like a mewing newborn calf, still trying to make its mark on the world. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Shannon" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] C&H B/O - NAUT Date: 29 May 2001 18:11:41 -0400 I agree with Tom on this one. Nice chart but the preponderance of the fundamental evidence rules this one out. WON talked about this at the last advanced workshop. He said you will never find a stock with every CANSLIM characteristic so just make sure that your candidate has a majority. Doug Sorry, Tim, but I would black flag this one on its earnings growth. Two of the past three qtrs showed earnings growth in single digits, the forecast for the full year is only 9%. And all three of the latest qtrs showed revenues growth of 11% or less. Its 5 year earnings growth is also 10%, and funds already own 40%. But I agree, nice chart, and worth studying. Would have been a nice short term trade if bot on Friday. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:24 PM For those searching for a C&H breakout... Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] C&H B/O - NAUT Date: 29 May 2001 15:22:03 -0700 I disagree with you there, any stock with an 82/89/88/B/A rating is worth a second look in my book. Like I said, I gave it a second look and booted it from my list anyway. On 03:11 PM 5/29/01, Doug Shannon Said: >I agree with Tom on this one. Nice chart but the preponderance of the >fundamental evidence rules this one out. WON talked about this at the last >advanced workshop. He said you will never find a stock with every CANSLIM >characteristic so just make sure that your candidate has a majority. > >Doug Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OSG Date: 29 May 2001 17:22:13 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0E863.E68B0250 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The thing that most intrigues me about OSG (and FRONY and I'm sure there = are others who have already invested in their fleet) is that the recent = spectacular earnings appear to be sustainable. If I read the recent = press releases correctly - new laws pertaining to hull safety virtually = guarantee under-supply for the next 3-4 years. Does anyone else have = real meaningful insight into this? If its true, OSG, FRONY et al... are = going to be absolute cash machines for quite some time. What are the = dynamics of the industry? Any insiders around? Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OSG Looks good, Chris. I would note the 112% debt, funds at 20% and 12% = ROE, but all are well offset by numerous other factors, including cash = flow. I see they just got the rights to two VLCC under construction. So long = as the price of crude holds up, the future looks good. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 4:13 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] OSG OSG 78/86 CAA, numbers also look good last 4 qtrs were,=20 2).30v.23=20 3).78v.06=20 4)1.38v-.01=20 1)1.19v.15=20 At 34.5 this has a PE of 9.5 Company has made some changes that = appear to be=20 hitting the bottom line. Shares out 34 mil float of 27 mil=20 Might call a C&H with C between the beginning of March to mid April = and H=20 between 30 to 31.5 for 4 weeks. Monthly chart also looks good. This = would=20 give it about 10% past pivot, thoughts, feedback?=20 Chris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0E863.E68B0250 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The thing that most intrigues me about OSG (and = FRONY and I'm=20 sure there are others who have already invested in their fleet) is that = the=20 recent spectacular earnings appear to be sustainable. If I read the = recent press=20 releases correctly - new laws pertaining to hull safety virtually = guarantee=20 under-supply for the next 3-4 years. Does anyone else have real = meaningful=20 insight into this? If its true, OSG, FRONY et al... are going to be = absolute=20 cash machines for quite some time. What are the dynamics of the = industry? Any=20 insiders around?
 
 
Ian
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = OSG

Looks good, Chris. I would note the 112% debt, = funds at 20%=20 and 12% ROE, but all are well offset by numerous other factors, = including cash=20 flow.
 
I see they just got the rights to two VLCC under=20 construction. So long as the price of crude holds up, the future looks = good.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 4:13=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OSG

OSG 78/86 = CAA,=20 numbers also look good last 4 qtrs were,
2).30v.23
3).78v.06 =
4)1.38v-.01
1)1.19v.15
At 34.5 this has a PE of 9.5=20  Company has made some changes that appear to be
hitting = the bottom=20 line. Shares out 34 mil float of 27 mil
Might call a C&H = with C=20 between the beginning of March to mid April and H
between 30 to = 31.5 for=20 4 weeks. Monthly chart also looks good. This would
give it about = 10%=20 past pivot, thoughts, feedback?

Chris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0E863.E68B0250-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 10:26:07 -0700 --------------4F555909BE4975F80128538D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems that Kent could not sleep last night because when I awoke and logged on he had set up a group on yahoo: TI_CANSLIM@yahoogroups.com. I do not have the sign up url on this computer to send you. Dan Tom Worley wrote: > Dan, When I click on reply, I would be sending to the full group. I > assume this is a new address you have set up with Jeff? Please provide > the specific address so I can add it to my address book. Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Forant > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > I believe if you just click on *reply* you will > automatically just reply to the new group TI canslim without > it going to the original group. Make sure the post is from > the new group TI canslim. Just save the new TI canslim > address and use it for new posts. DanF DanF > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rich Weinhold > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:18 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > Count me in also, as to how to keep off the > camslim site, someone will have help me on > thatRich > --------------4F555909BE4975F80128538D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It seems that Kent could not sleep last night because when I awoke and logged on he had set up a group on yahoo:  TI_CANSLIM@yahoogroups.com.  I do not have the sign up url on this computer to send you.

Dan

Tom Worley wrote:

Dan, When I click on reply, I would be sending to the full group. I assume this is a new address you have set up with Jeff? Please provide the specific address so I can add it to my address book. Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion}
 I believe if you just click on *reply* you will automatically just reply to the new group TI canslim without it going to the original group. Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. Just save the new TI canslim address and use it for new posts. DanF DanF
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion}
 Count me in also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, someone will have help me on thatRich
--------------4F555909BE4975F80128538D-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Raghu Subject: Re: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader's Date: 29 May 2001 17:26:30 -0700 please count me in...Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:20 AM Leader's List)) > Dan..good idea ..count me in on it..thxs...Joe > > Dan wrote: > > > Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list conversation exploring indicators, > > their use, application, interpretation to CANSLIM investing? > > > > I say off list, because this subject matter may annoy those who want to keep the > > list more tightly focused to ONeil and his framing. If this is not the case, it > > does not need to be off list. > > > > We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply all". > > > > Just one of my bright ideas that I thought I would through out for members to > > take potshots. > > > > I know I feel constrained to post on this topic. > > > > Dan > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > l. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 21:01:53 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0E882.966EA500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TI_CANSLIM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} It seems that Kent could not sleep last night because when I awoke and = logged on he had set up a group on yahoo: TI_CANSLIM@yahoogroups.com. = I do not have the sign up url on this computer to send you.=20 Dan=20 Tom Worley wrote:=20 Dan, When I click on reply, I would be sending to the full group. I = assume this is a new address you have set up with Jeff? Please provide = the specific address so I can add it to my address book. Tom Worley=20 stkguru@netside.net=20 AIM: TexWorley=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Forant To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} I believe if you just click on *reply* you will automatically = just reply to the new group TI canslim without it going to the original = group. Make sure the post is from the new group TI canslim. Just save = the new TI canslim address and use it for new posts. DanF DanF=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Weinhold To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Count me in also, as to how to keep off the camslim site, = someone will have help me on thatRich ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0E882.966EA500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From:=20 Dan
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Camslim[indicator=20 Discussion}

It seems that Kent could not sleep last night because = when I=20 awoke and logged on he had set up a group on yahoo:  TI_CANSLIM@yahoogroups.com= . =20 I do not have the sign up url on this computer to send you.=20

Dan=20

Tom Worley wrote:=20

Dan, When I click on = reply, I would=20 be sending to the full group. I assume this is a new address you = have set up=20 with Jeff? Please provide the specific address so I can add it to my = address=20 book. Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: = TexWorley=20
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From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 12:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 Camslim[indicator Discussion}
 I believe = if you=20 just click on *reply* you will automatically just reply to the new = group=20 TI canslim without it going to the original group. Make sure the = post is=20 from the new group TI canslim. Just save the new TI canslim = address and=20 use it for new posts. DanF DanF=20
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From:=20 Rich Weinhold
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, = 2001 11:18=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM]=20 Camslim[indicator Discussion}
 Count me in also, = as to how to=20 keep off the camslim site, someone will have help me on=20 thatRich
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C0E882.966EA500-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 29 May 2001 19:48:44 -0600 You probably know this, but just in case.... You can move a group of stocks into Excel, and then screen them there. When you are done, you can copy the remaining stocks into a .txt file and import it back to DGO as a stock list. This takes just a minute, and you won't have to type in all the symbols, since you can just use the spacebar to step through the list. There is some help in DGO that explains this, but let me know if you have any issues. At 09:06 AM 5/29/01 -0400, you wrote: >We pay a pretty hefty price to subscribe to DGO. No doubt the information >provided is valuable. However ability to screen within DGO is behind the >times. > >For example, it would be nice to select a sector and just rank or graph the >stocks in that sector. > >Of course we can do that in Excel but once in Excel, there is no way to see >the stock's graphs unless we want to type in every symbol into DGO manually. > >Rick > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 19:54:21 -0600 Maybe it's time to ask this differently. Who objects to these discussions being held in the group? I don't see them a definitively OT unless the overall volume gets really large. At 01:11 PM 5/29/01 -0400, you wrote: > I think if enough people want in (more than 50%?), we should just >discuss indicators as part of the basic CANSLIM discussion group. >-----Original Message----- >From: Rick Parsons [mailto:RickParsons@Columbus.rr.com] >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:42 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > > Count me in. Rick >> -----Original Message----- >>From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Stockndoc@aol.com >>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:31 PM >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} >> >>Please include me in this discussion > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 29 May 2001 19:58:27 -0600 Haha, a friend told me I would have to be nuts to buy a donut store at its present P/E. Unfortunately, I listened at least a little, and didn't buy it. At 11:52 AM 5/29/01 -0700, you wrote: >Not to mention PENN, USPH, and the homebuilder and clothing/shoes groups. I >am out of the former and will not get back into the latter unless I see >some stabilization of prices, not acceleration of losses like I see the >past 2 trading days...I guess doughnuts is where we should have been all >along... > >On 11:33 AM 5/29/01, Sisyphus Said: >>Really. Compared to others like AMSGA, COLM, IGT is behaving rather >>moderately. >> >>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** >> >>On 5/29/2001 at 2:03 PM Dave wrote: >> >> >Bail? Why? I'm considering adding more here. It's been a nice, low volume >> >pullback for IGT, like a second handle. >> > >> >I would consider 59.13 to be the pivot and it has not violated it thus far. >> >It has now filled the gap. IMO it's behaving very well since its breakout. >> > >>p >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > >Tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW: http://OreRockOn.com >See naked fish and rocks! > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? Date: 29 May 2001 17:58:51 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0E869.04DD5C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, Your right WON is not a trailing stop guy. He advocates watching the action of your stocks and the market to gauge when to sell. Admittedly, this can be a bit subjective and those who don't watch the market all day may find a 15% trail a good alternative. As a new CS trader try to watch your stocks action for the best clues to sell. For CHIC 5-22 and 5-23 were the 2nd and third day of distribution with 5-17 being the first. Also, the 2 days following 5-17 the stock rose on anemic volume. One more day and that would have been a "wedging to new highs sell signal". Instead you got a massive wide range distribution day. If you ask me that's the sell signal. But the stock traded lower on heavier volume the next day...another sell signal. Lastly, some of the other stocks in the group were coming apart too. By no means am I trying to put you on the spot...just trying to help you examine the trade. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:07 PM > Tom, > > I'm new to canslim but am trying to follow the rules exactly as stated by > WON in his books, advanced seminars, and IBD learning center. Does WON > specifically talk about trailing stops after a 15% move above the pivot? > All I can remember is selling it if it goes up 20%+ taking longer than 4 > weeks and keeping it if it goes up 20%+ in less than 4 weeks. I don't > remember any mention of trailing stops. That diffently would have helped > with CHIC. > > Thanks, > > Doug > > Tom wrote: > > Doug and Danny, > > I realize that hindsight is always 20-20, and it's easier to > procrastinate when I don't have real money on the table, but I > must ask why you were not using a trailing stop? > > Congrats on getting in at the pivot, I would agree that under 32 > was a good entry. But after it had moved up to nearly 40, you > clearly were ahead by over 15%, and could have applied a mental > or hard stop. That should have taken you out on 5/22, with at > least a small profit, instead of being stopped out for a loss. > > As for "M", I would say that this is anything but a raging bull, > more like a mewing newborn calf, still trying to make its mark on > the world. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 29 May 2001 20:06:34 -0600 I used the high of the handle at 59 to set the pivot to 59.13. I won't be concerned anywhere above that, and would probably give it a little below that as long as the volume isn't growing on the down days. In the end today, the stock recovered to only an 18c loss, so I don't see any big concern based on today's action. At 10:52 AM 5/29/01 -0700, you wrote: >Doug or anyone: > >As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like the >general market so far today. At what price point do you consider >that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's action >continued) would you bail? > >Dave > > >===== >Dave Cameron >dfcameron@yahoo.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? Date: 29 May 2001 19:20:07 -0700 (PDT) David I like your post. I can learn from this one. Thanks Kent Norman --- David Squires wrote: > Doug, > > Your right WON is not a trailing stop guy. He > advocates watching the action > of your stocks and the market to gauge when to sell. > Admittedly, this can be > a bit subjective and those who don't watch the > market all day may find a 15% > trail a good alternative. > > As a new CS trader try to watch your stocks action > for the best clues to > sell. For CHIC 5-22 and 5-23 were the 2nd and third > day of distribution with > 5-17 being the first. Also, the 2 days following > 5-17 the stock rose on > anemic volume. One more day and that would have been > a "wedging to new highs > sell signal". Instead you got a massive wide range > distribution day. If you > ask me that's the sell signal. But the stock traded > lower on heavier volume > the next day...another sell signal. Lastly, some of > the other stocks in the > group were coming apart too. > > By no means am I trying to put you on the > spot...just trying to help you > examine the trade. > > DSquires > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Shannon" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:07 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? > > > Tom, > > > > I'm new to canslim but am trying to follow the > rules exactly as stated by > > WON in his books, advanced seminars, and IBD > learning center. Does WON > > specifically talk about trailing stops after a 15% > move above the pivot? > > All I can remember is selling it if it goes up > 20%+ taking longer than 4 > > weeks and keeping it if it goes up 20%+ in less > than 4 weeks. I don't > > remember any mention of trailing stops. That > diffently would have helped > > with CHIC. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doug > > > > Tom wrote: > > > > Doug and Danny, > > > > I realize that hindsight is always 20-20, and it's > easier to > > procrastinate when I don't have real money on the > table, but I > > must ask why you were not using a trailing stop? > > > > Congrats on getting in at the pivot, I would agree > that under 32 > > was a good entry. But after it had moved up to > nearly 40, you > > clearly were ahead by over 15%, and could have > applied a mental > > or hard stop. That should have taken you out on > 5/22, with at > > least a small profit, instead of being stopped out > for a loss. > > > > As for "M", I would say that this is anything but > a raging bull, > > more like a mewing newborn calf, still trying to > make its mark on > > the world. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > AIM: TexWorley > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=CHIC.gif __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? Date: 29 May 2001 19:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Doug and Danny This group recently had quite a discussion on stops (trailing, mental and otherwise). It is in the archive. You will find many opinions. Happy stopping Kent Norman --- Doug Shannon wrote: > Tom, > > I'm new to canslim but am trying to follow the rules > exactly as stated by > WON in his books, advanced seminars, and IBD > learning center. Does WON > specifically talk about trailing stops after a 15% > move above the pivot? > All I can remember is selling it if it goes up 20%+ > taking longer than 4 > weeks and keeping it if it goes up 20%+ in less than > 4 weeks. I don't > remember any mention of trailing stops. That > diffently would have helped > with CHIC. > > Thanks, > > Doug > > Tom wrote: > > Doug and Danny, > > I realize that hindsight is always 20-20, and it's > easier to > procrastinate when I don't have real money on the > table, but I > must ask why you were not using a trailing stop? > > Congrats on getting in at the pivot, I would agree > that under 32 > was a good entry. But after it had moved up to > nearly 40, you > clearly were ahead by over 15%, and could have > applied a mental > or hard stop. That should have taken you out on > 5/22, with at > least a small profit, instead of being stopped out > for a loss. > > As for "M", I would say that this is anything but a > raging bull, > more like a mewing newborn calf, still trying to > make its mark on > the world. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date website? Date: 29 May 2001 21:35:20 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E8B1.2BA0D570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, I have a hard time believing there isn't a web site with IPO initial dates, but I haven't found one either. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:24 PM Short of actually finding the beginning of its chart, I don't know off-hand. However, www.10kwizard.com is a great site to get its initial registration filing and other filings as well. Roger - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E8B1.2BA0D570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date website?

Thanks,
I have a hard time believing there isn't a web site with IPO initial dates, but I haven't found one either.

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Short of actually finding the beginning of its chart, I don't know off-hand. 
However, www.10kwizard.com is a great site to get its initial registration
filing and other filings as well.

Roger

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E8B1.2BA0D570-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Surindra" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What's up with APO (was CHIC)? Date: 29 May 2001 22:43:38 -0400 APO keeps on creeping up. I have been watching and thought it is extended. Good income, growth, sector. EPS 99, RS 99, GRS 87, PE 19, last four quarters show high triple digit growth in earnings and revnues. Is it still a buy or too late now? Surindra Singh -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Squires Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:59 PM Doug, Your right WON is not a trailing stop guy. He advocates watching the action of your stocks and the market to gauge when to sell. Admittedly, this can be a bit subjective and those who don't watch the market all day may find a 15% _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HIBB Breakout Date: 29 May 2001 22:48:47 EDT Tom: Sorry for the delay in responding; I just read the missive this evening. What I usually do, and I find that it is productive, is look at the A/D's usual fall during an LLUR's retracement/consolidation, and then check the up/down to see if it is keeping its strength up (of course, this tactic is more helpful when you know what the up/down was during the stock's up-trend). But still.... jans In a message dated 5/27/2001 9:34:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << ADV is Average Daily Volume. Different sites calculate it differently, I use DGO, where it is a simple average of volume over the past 50 days. HIBB has a market cap of $266 million, so not quite a small cap, but a float of only 3.5 million shares (of the issue of 6.5 mil, or $143 mil) so it tends to trade like a small cap stock. To consider advancing vs declining volume, you have to look at the Up/Down Ratio, which is a strong 2.2 >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TUTR Date: 29 May 2001 22:54:49 EDT Tom: Wouldn't you categorize TARO as in a 4th stage base? jans In a message dated 5/27/2001 9:45:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << TARO - I would prefer to buy it closer to the 50 DMA, and especially not after a sharp rebound like Friday's >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Lien" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 29 May 2001 22:59:28 -0400 Tom, When is the next major upgrade. I believe DGO is way overdue for an upgrade. Thanks, Jonathan -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:36 AM Friday's list being sent privately, Rick. To bring an Excel list back in for easy scrolling, look under Info for You, Tips & Tricks and scroll down to Report Tips & Tricks. There you will find a paragraph in red titled Convenience Tip. Hope this helps all DGO users as well. BTW, I think the next major upgrade to DGO is supposed to add a lot of new features, including possibly more data by industry or sector. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:24 AM Tom, Thanks for the information. I had no idea we could bring our screened Excel list back into DGO. I will have to find those instructions. >From looking around the DGO site, I did find that they have an Industry Group list on Fridays, and it is available until Monday noon. Unfortunately, with Monday being a Holiday, it was too late to access the list on Tuesday. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:06 AM Hi Rick, The biggest deficiency, IMO, is that while DGO gives you charts of all stocks, the reports only include those stocks in the books. I think it is Friday's index to the books that includes the industry group. You can use that list without having to go to Excel, just click on the header and it will sort the index by industry group. Then scroll down to the group you want to review, select the first stock, and minimize the list. Now you can scroll thru the list from there by hitting either the space bar or the down arrow, then hitting Enter. If you export a list to Excel (or construct a list from elsewhere) so you can do more sophisticated sorting, you can bring that list back in so that you can scroll thru it in the same way. There are instructions on the site on how to do this. You don't have to type the symbols one by one. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:06 AM We pay a pretty hefty price to subscribe to DGO. No doubt the information provided is valuable. However ability to screen within DGO is behind the times. For example, it would be nice to select a sector and just rank or graph the stocks in that sector. Of course we can do that in Excel but once in Excel, there is no way to see the stock's graphs unless we want to type in every symbol into DGO manually. Rick -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:35 AM Not sure that I quite agree. Certainly these three groups right now do offer some strong growth potential, particularly medical with the aging population. Retail might be attractive as it has been battered down, but if consumers start spending again as they enjoy the windfall wealth of an improving market, the comparisons could be quite strong. Neither group attracts me, I will mostly stick to tech stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:22 PM So this means you agree with "computer, medical and retail sectors." thanks Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Historically, from my experience, medical stocks > have not proven > to be good leadership. Biotechs have done a little > better, but > only relatively. Forget REITs, regional banks, and > similar S&Ls, > they may be opportunistic, but they are not leaders. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders > > > more on the subject, Same issue. > > "Leading stocks move in packs. When you see a few > companies making bullish moves, look for related > stocks to follow. The table of 52-Week Highs & Lows > in > the print edition is sorted by sectors with the most > new highs for that very reason. > > Real estate investment trusts, regional banks and > savings and loans have clogged the top of the list > in > recent weeks. They're benefiting from the Fed's rate > cuts. But they're not typically areas where you find > big winning stocks. Look a little farther down the > list and you'll see the computer, medical and retail > sectors. They have a better track record of > generating > market leaders." > > -------- > > > --- Kent Norman wrote: > > As the group knows, I have been searching for > clues > > as > > to the new leading group. Perhaps this note from > > Friday's IBD is a hint? What do you folks think? > > > > "Thursday's Stocks: A number of medical stocks > have > > taken leading roles in the past few weeks. > Biotechs > > moved up for a second day." > > > > Thanks > > Kent Norman > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > > prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe > > canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe > canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe > canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What's up with APO (was CHIC)? Date: 29 May 2001 21:08:52 -0600 I must be missing the 1st letter of the symbol??? APO is 15/61/CCD. Wrong stock?? At 10:43 PM 5/29/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > APO keeps on creeping up. I have been watching and thought it is extended. >Good income, growth, sector. EPS 99, RS 99, GRS 87, PE 19, last four >quarters show high triple digit growth in earnings and revnues. Is it still >a buy or too late now? > >Surindra Singh > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Squires >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:59 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? > > >Doug, > >Your right WON is not a trailing stop guy. He advocates watching the action >of your stocks and the market to gauge when to sell. Admittedly, this can be >a bit subjective and those who don't watch the market all day may find a 15% > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date website? Date: 29 May 2001 20:10:15 -0700 (PDT) have you looked at www.ipocentral.com regards Kent norman --- "Dempsey, Chris" wrote: > Thanks, > I have a hard time believing there isn't a web site > with IPO initial dates, > but I haven't found one either. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kraus0R@cs.com [mailto:Kraus0R@cs.com] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:24 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IPO date website? > > > Short of actually finding the beginning of its > chart, I don't know off-hand. > > However, www.10kwizard.com is a great site to get > its initial registration > filing and other filings as well. > > Roger > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date website? Date: 29 May 2001 22:18:35 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E8B7.3635F960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes I did and was not able to find any dates. Maybe I am not looking deep enough. What I would like to do is take my watch list and add the IPO date to it. I would like to do this because WON says that the best price action is in the first eight years. I (think I) would like to make sure that a high % of my watch list and buys are eight years or less. Has anyone else done this? -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:10 PM have you looked at www.ipocentral.com regards Kent norman --- "Dempsey, Chris" wrote: > Thanks, > I have a hard time believing there isn't a web site > with IPO initial dates, > but I haven't found one either. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kraus0R@cs.com [mailto:Kraus0R@cs.com] > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:24 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IPO date website? > > > Short of actually finding the beginning of its > chart, I don't know off-hand. > > However, www.10kwizard.com is a great site to get > its initial registration > filing and other filings as well. > > Roger > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Yes I did and was not able to find any dates. Maybe I = am not looking deep enough.

What I would like to do is take my watch list and add = the IPO date to it. I would like to do this because WON says that the = best price action is in the first eight years. I (think I) would like = to make sure that a high % of my watch list and buys are eight years or = less. Has anyone else done this?

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have you looked at www.ipocentral.com

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>
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> its initial registration
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>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E8B7.3635F960-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List Date: 29 May 2001 23:23:32 EDT Earl: Fundamentally, ACF is CANSLIM, I believe, with very nice projected earnings. I know its LLUR form is not CANSLIM; however, if it forms a base here (I assume it's not going to retract into a CUP), don't you believe that it would be a good time to add shares-assuming it BO from its new base? jans In a message dated 5/28/2001 12:17:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, esetser@covad.net writes: << As a holding, I'm very happy with the stock. It has been stair-stepping up with most of the larger volume days moving up nicely. It has also pulled back a couple of times, but only for a few days, and generally on lower volume. As a new purchase, I would consider ACF too extended to pick up as a CANSLIM purchase right now. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]IPO date website? Date: 29 May 2001 23:24:33 EDT Chris: Try: http://www.ipolockup.com/ jans In a message dated 5/28/2001 4:31:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cdempsey@houston.oilfield.slb.com writes: << WON puts a lot of emphasis on IPO's. There's even a good article in Tues paper. Does anyone know a website that has IPO dates for all stocks? >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FRX Date: 29 May 2001 23:43:53 EDT Perry: Using real money, I wouldn't buy it. I could be wrong (and that's why I believe you should follow it-to see what it does), but it looks much too wide and loose for me. I can see that it has met resistance about 6 times since November before overcoming it in early May. But it didn't seem to pop out with a lot of volume. Also (secondarily, but you might want to consider) IGS is D. I wouldn't buy a Industry Group Stock that is rated D-especially now. Finally, I believe (and I'm not so inflexible that I can't change my mind-but right now I don't see why I should [even though, I know, Tom says we are beginning a bull, and I do consider his thoughtful opinions on the market]) I believe we still have one more down leg to go in this bear market. jans In a message dated 5/29/2001 10:00:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Hi Perry, I don't see the chart as a consolidation, certainly not for the past 6 months, as the price range has been too great. Right now, I see a vague c&h that started 3/1 at 67.20 and formed a short (less than 1 week) handle at 70 on 5/22. Thus, the handle is too high, and too brief. Buying it here, IMO, is buying momentum without a safety net. I see no nearby support, so could retreat easily. Keep a tight watch on it if you buy it. I also note that market cap is about 10 times sales, pretty high. EPS isn't the problem, as the 5 year growth rate is 69%, and the two most recent qtrs easily beat that at 100% and 138%. Trailing PE is very high at 59, even Projected PE is high at 47. Funds ownership is high at 34%, ROE is low at 14% (but so was EPIQ's). Cash flow is good at $1.27 vs latest earnings of $0.64. DGO does not rank it in the top 6 because of its RS 83. But it does appear to have better EPS ranking than any of the top companies in its group. I don't know if they have anything for "N". Another site I use indicates new high is 74.11, which appears to have been set on 5/25, so don't know why the RS is so low. That could improve rapidly if it maintains its momentum. Good luck, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List - ACF comments Date: 29 May 2001 21:49:47 -0600 I am watching ACF closely for an opp to add some more shares. I have very little experience in adding shares, but this is one that I feel I should consider some new ones. I feel a nice low volume handle at this point gives that opp, and I am considering adding some at this point. (I haven't really decided yet tho.) However, to be clear, I don't see the present ACF chart as a good initial CANSLIM entry. I would consider it extended for new buy purposes. I will also limit my new purchase to a relatively small amount compared to what I own not. I would consider maybe 20-25% additionnal stock. Does anyone have suggestions on a good way or time to add to a successful position, and how much they add at that point? At 11:23 PM 5/29/01 EDT, you wrote: >Earl: > > Fundamentally, ACF is CANSLIM, I believe, with very nice projected >earnings. I know its LLUR form is not CANSLIM; however, if it forms a base >here (I assume it's not going to retract into a CUP), don't you believe that >it would be a good time to add shares-assuming it BO from its new base? > >jans > > > >In a message dated 5/28/2001 12:17:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >esetser@covad.net writes: > ><< As a holding, I'm very happy with the stock. It has been stair-stepping up > with most of the larger volume days moving up nicely. It has also pulled > back a couple of times, but only for a few days, and generally on lower > volume. > > As a new purchase, I would consider ACF too extended to pick up as a > CANSLIM purchase right now. >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 29 May 2001 23:57:09 EDT Tom: I'm not quite certain what you mean? I get the DG books and DGO both. You say that Friday's index to the books that includes the industry group. "Then", you add, "you click on the header, and it will sort the index by industry group." I don't understand the procedcure of how you can click on an index in DGO, and get an industry group. Click on what "header" of which index, and it will sort what "industry group"? jans In a message dated 5/29/2001 10:11:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << I think it is Friday's index to the books that includes the industry group. You can use that list without having to go to Excel, just click on the header and it will sort the index by industry group. Then scroll down to the group you want to review, select the first stock, and minimize the list. Now you can scroll thru the list from there by hitting either the space bar or the down arrow, then hitting Enter. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 29 May 2001 22:02:34 -0600 Looks like it closed down 19 cents. On a day where the nasdsaq lost 3.4%, I think IGT is showing some strength. If anything, if the market gets back on its feet again, might be good to add to any position in IGT. On 29 May 01, at 10:52, Dave Cameron wrote: > Doug or anyone: > > As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like the > general market so far today. At what price point do you consider > that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's action > continued) would you bail? > > Dave > > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What's up with APO (was CHIC)? Date: 29 May 2001 22:06:36 -0600 If this is the same APO I just looked it, it isn't close to being a CANSLIM stock. Low priced, decline in earnings and revenues, no analysts are covering it, ugh. On 29 May 01, at 22:43, Surindra wrote: > > > APO keeps on creeping up. I have been watching and thought it is extended. > Good income, growth, sector. EPS 99, RS 99, GRS 87, PE 19, last four > quarters show high triple digit growth in earnings and revnues. Is it still > a buy or too late now? > > Surindra Singh > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Squires > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:59 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? > > > Doug, > > Your right WON is not a trailing stop guy. He advocates watching the action > of your stocks and the market to gauge when to sell. Admittedly, this can be > a bit subjective and those who don't watch the market all day may find a 15% > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? Date: 30 May 2001 00:04:35 -0400 Hi Doug, I first picked up the 15% trailing stop concept from an interview WON did for Registered Rep, a magazine for stock brokers. In HTMMIS, I think he does talk about moving your entry point stop up to the entry point once you are up 15%. And the "hold if you are up 20%" time period used to be 8 weeks, don't know if he may have shortened it in recent years. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:07 PM Tom, I'm new to canslim but am trying to follow the rules exactly as stated by WON in his books, advanced seminars, and IBD learning center. Does WON specifically talk about trailing stops after a 15% move above the pivot? All I can remember is selling it if it goes up 20%+ taking longer than 4 weeks and keeping it if it goes up 20%+ in less than 4 weeks. I don't remember any mention of trailing stops. That diffently would have helped with CHIC. Thanks, Doug Tom wrote: Doug and Danny, I realize that hindsight is always 20-20, and it's easier to procrastinate when I don't have real money on the table, but I must ask why you were not using a trailing stop? Congrats on getting in at the pivot, I would agree that under 32 was a good entry. But after it had moved up to nearly 40, you clearly were ahead by over 15%, and could have applied a mental or hard stop. That should have taken you out on 5/22, with at least a small profit, instead of being stopped out for a loss. As for "M", I would say that this is anything but a raging bull, more like a mewing newborn calf, still trying to make its mark on the world. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 30 May 2001 00:33:17 EDT Earl, et al: Personally, I don't think anyone would object to discussing technical indicators as a means of timing the CANSLIM strategy. Tom has said that he has successfully used MACD to time his CANSLIM buys (and-I imagine-sells). Perhaps, WON doesn't mention them because he fears that the unsophisticated might aim them at other than a CANSLIM universe of stocks. jans In a message dated 5/29/2001 9:54:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esetser@covad.net writes: << Maybe it's time to ask this differently. Who objects to these discussions being held in the group? I don't see them a definitively OT unless the overall volume gets really large. At 01:11 PM 5/29/01 -0400, you wrote: > I think if enough people want in (more than 50%?), we should just >discuss indicators as part of the basic CANSLIM discussion group. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 30 May 2001 00:55:21 -0400 Sorry, you're right. That's the trouble with trying to read my mind when I don't type it out as well! If you click on Reports in DGO, and select Index to Printed Products, you will get the index to the books. This report has two floater columns that change daily, the schedule is listed on DGO Info for You button. If you click on any column header of this report, or any of the reports, it will do a sort by that column. The floater columns on Friday have the industry group listed, so if you use that report, you can sort by industry group, then scroll thru the list for the group you want without having to type the symbols. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:57 PM Tom: I'm not quite certain what you mean? I get the DG books and DGO both. You say that Friday's index to the books that includes the industry group. "Then", you add, "you click on the header, and it will sort the index by industry group." I don't understand the procedcure of how you can click on an index in DGO, and get an industry group. Click on what "header" of which index, and it will sort what "industry group"? jans In a message dated 5/29/2001 10:11:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << I think it is Friday's index to the books that includes the industry group. You can use that list without having to go to Excel, just click on the header and it will sort the index by industry group. Then scroll down to the group you want to review, select the first stock, and minimize the list. Now you can scroll thru the list from there by hitting either the space bar or the down arrow, then hitting Enter. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: DGO Upgrade (was Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders) Date: 30 May 2001 00:44:08 -0400 Hi Jonathan, I looked back thru some old email, and see that in August they talked about a major upgrade that would add weekly charts. At that time, they expected to start beta testing (available only to current subscribers) with the full service at the end of the year. Obviously, they didn't meet that time frame. I had another email, which apparently I did not save, that indicated an upgrade this summer. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:59 PM Tom, When is the next major upgrade. I believe DGO is way overdue for an upgrade. Thanks, Jonathan - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 22:29:28 -0700 I think it's fair to say it's a hot topic. Actually, it was I that started up the topic of indicators as being non-canslim. I had only thought it was important to note that for the newcommers, MACD is not a WON topic. I also now see by the replys of the regulars here, using this and other indicators is a very important part of stock selection. Perhaps it's due to the availability of these tools on the net now - somthing that only the privaliged had back when HTMMIS was first published. So, if you ask my opinion...lets include it! -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:54 PM > Maybe it's time to ask this differently. Who objects to these discussions > being held in the group? I don't see them a definitively OT unless the > overall volume gets really large. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FRX Date: 29 May 2001 22:24:27 -0700 Tom and jans, Thanks for the input. Tom instilled enough doubt into me that I decided to remove my buy order 5 minutes before the bell this morning. During my logon to sell, my computer locked up, and I was too late, so I own FRX today. For the day I was up 2.75% on 130% volume; what a switch for me. Anyway thanks again for the help........be sure I'll be watching it closely. Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 29 May 2001 22:28:09 -0700 My vote is to include such talks; I have no problem with them.....if I don't like them, I'll ignore them; I have room on my hard drive. Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FRX Date: 30 May 2001 01:57:23 -0400 Wish my negativism worked that well for everyone. Then I could be a TI. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:24 AM Tom and jans, Thanks for the input. Tom instilled enough doubt into me that I decided to remove my buy order 5 minutes before the bell this morning. During my logon to sell, my computer locked up, and I was too late, so I own FRX today. For the day I was up 2.75% on 130% volume; what a switch for me. Anyway thanks again for the help........be sure I'll be watching it closely. Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 30 May 2001 01:55:13 -0400 Actually, Bill, I would object if this forum turned into a discussion on using technical indicators as a means of "selecting" stocks as that's what CANSLIM is for. But when time permits me to practice my full discipline, I do very much use TI for timing of buys and sells, and resolving decisions on whether to hold. I have always had trouble with timing, either I am too impulsive and rush in, or I hesitate and wait for that "perfect" point. TI (or TA, Technical Analysis) has served me well in that regard, giving me an objective yardstick and helping me minimize the "emotion" factor. But the stock under consideration first and foremost is evaluated according to CANSLIM. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:29 AM I think it's fair to say it's a hot topic. Actually, it was I that started up the topic of indicators as being non-canslim. I had only thought it was important to note that for the newcommers, MACD is not a WON topic. I also now see by the replys of the regulars here, using this and other indicators is a very important part of stock selection. Perhaps it's due to the availability of these tools on the net now - somthing that only the privaliged had back when HTMMIS was first published. So, if you ask my opinion...lets include it! -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:54 PM > Maybe it's time to ask this differently. Who objects to these discussions > being held in the group? I don't see them a definitively OT unless the > overall volume gets really large. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List - ACF comments Date: 30 May 2001 02:13:35 -0400 Hi Earl, On those occasions where I do not make my entire purchase in one swipe, I tend to buy half a position, then later add first 30% then 20%, usually measured in nr of shares, altho sometimes in money amounts. On ACF, I would agree, this is a higher risk area for a new entry. Everything looks very good to me on this stock fundamentally and chart wise, where I would be concerned comes from non-CANSLIM reasons, my view of present economics. While ACF's sales are growing rapidly, new car sales have been declining. Consumers, while still spending, have shown a reluctance to spend on big ticket items, and that means cars and homes. ACF makes its money from purchasing and servicing car loans. The servicing may continue to grow, but they could find themselves on the wrong side of the interest curve on the loans they purchase as lower rates allow car owners the chance to refinance an existing loan. I have seen this in REITs in past Fed rate cutting cycles, and see little reason to think it could not happen here as well. I am already seeing this in the GNMAs and other US govt agency home mortgage backed bonds we buy for our customers. Many purchased just a year or two ago are already being called in full because they have been so heavily amortized on principal by early repayment (presumably due refinancing). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:49 PM I am watching ACF closely for an opp to add some more shares. I have very little experience in adding shares, but this is one that I feel I should consider some new ones. I feel a nice low volume handle at this point gives that opp, and I am considering adding some at this point. (I haven't really decided yet tho.) However, to be clear, I don't see the present ACF chart as a good initial CANSLIM entry. I would consider it extended for new buy purposes. I will also limit my new purchase to a relatively small amount compared to what I own not. I would consider maybe 20-25% additionnal stock. Does anyone have suggestions on a good way or time to add to a successful position, and how much they add at that point? At 11:23 PM 5/29/01 EDT, you wrote: >Earl: > > Fundamentally, ACF is CANSLIM, I believe, with very nice projected >earnings. I know its LLUR form is not CANSLIM; however, if it forms a base >here (I assume it's not going to retract into a CUP), don't you believe that >it would be a good time to add shares-assuming it BO from its new base? > >jans > > > >In a message dated 5/28/2001 12:17:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >esetser@covad.net writes: > ><< As a holding, I'm very happy with the stock. It has been stair-stepping up > with most of the larger volume days moving up nicely. It has also pulled > back a couple of times, but only for a few days, and generally on lower > volume. > > As a new purchase, I would consider ACF too extended to pick up as a > CANSLIM purchase right now. >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TUTR Date: 30 May 2001 02:21:38 -0400 Sorry, jans, I never advanced enough to get to counting bases, or letting that influence my perspective. To me, it's simply LLUR, with bounces off the 50 DMA. A strong stock will defy all the rules, including how many bases it's good for. From my experience, a LLUR is unpredictable in that there is no forecastable upper limit to its price. You know when it has topped, at least momentarily, when it tops. That is the risk of it. And why you need to exit quickly when it changes its pattern (up or down). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:54 PM Tom: Wouldn't you categorize TARO as in a 4th stage base? jans In a message dated 5/27/2001 9:45:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << TARO - I would prefer to buy it closer to the 50 DMA, and especially not after a sharp rebound like Friday's >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IPO date website? Date: 30 May 2001 03:06:50 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C0E8B5.92B47B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date website?Chris, I would not give too much = importance on the eight years since IPO. Since you are not concerned = with a precise date, I would think, just punch up a ten year chart at = any site (I tried BigCharts), and see if it was trading 8 years ago or = less. But I wouldn't allow myself to avoid a stock just because it was = publicly traded 9 or 10 years ago. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dempsey, Chris=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date website? Yes I did and was not able to find any dates. Maybe I am not looking = deep enough.=20 What I would like to do is take my watch list and add the IPO date to = it. I would like to do this because WON says that the best price action = is in the first eight years. I (think I) would like to make sure that a = high % of my watch list and buys are eight years or less. Has anyone = else done this? -----Original Message-----=20 From: Kent Norman [mailto:kent_norman@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:10 PM=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date website?=20 have you looked at www.ipocentral.com=20 regards=20 Kent norman=20 --- "Dempsey, Chris"=20 wrote:=20 > Thanks,=20 > I have a hard time believing there isn't a web site=20 > with IPO initial dates,=20 > but I haven't found one either.=20 >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Kraus0R@cs.com [mailto:Kraus0R@cs.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:24 PM=20 > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IPO date website?=20 >=20 >=20 > Short of actually finding the beginning of its=20 > chart, I don't know off-hand.=20 >=20 > However, www.10kwizard.com is a great site to get=20 > its initial registration=20 > filing and other filings as well.=20 >=20 > Roger=20 ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C0E8B5.92B47B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date website?
Chris, I would not give too much importance on the = eight years=20 since IPO. Since you are not concerned with a precise date, I would = think, just=20 punch up a ten year chart at any site (I tried BigCharts), and see if it = was=20 trading 8 years ago or less. But I wouldn't allow myself to avoid a = stock just=20 because it was publicly traded 9 or 10 years ago.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dempsey, Chris
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 = 11:18=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IPO date = website?

Yes I did and was not able to find any dates. Maybe = I am not=20 looking deep enough.

What I would like to do is take my watch list and = add the IPO=20 date to it. I would like to do this because WON says that the best = price=20 action is in the first eight years. I (think I) would like to make = sure that a=20 high % of my watch list and buys are eight years or less. Has anyone = else done=20 this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent=20 Norman [mailto:kent_norman@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:10 PM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE:=20 [CANSLIM] IPO date website?


have you looked at www.ipocentral.com

regards
Kent norman =

--- "Dempsey, Chris"
<cdempsey@houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote: =
> Thanks,
> I have a hard = time believing=20 there isn't a web site
> with IPO initial = dates,
> but I haven't found one = either.=20
>
> -----Original=20 Message-----
> From: Kraus0R@cs.com [mailto:Kraus0R@cs.com] =
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 6:24 PM
>=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] IPO date website?
> =
>
> Short of actually finding = the=20 beginning of its
> chart, I don't know=20 off-hand.
>
> However,=20 www.10kwizard.com is a great site to get
> its=20 initial registration
> filing and other = filings as=20 well.
>
> = Roger=20

------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C0E8B5.92B47B00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List - ACF comments Date: 30 May 2001 06:37:14 -0500 >>Does anyone have suggestions on a good way or time to add to a successful position, and how much they add at that point?<< At/near the pivot: Buy 1/2 your position at the pivot point or a break in the handle's midpoint if volume is coming in. Buy another 1/3 once the stock is in your favor 2-3%. Buy the final shares one of two ways. If the stock closes near the high of the day add the final part MOC. Or hold back the final part for a pivot point test or a pullback to the 20 or 50 day MA's. Use normal 5-8% stop here. BTW, if the stock move against you after this it is good to sell 1/2 your position on base reentry to keep your average loss smaller. After the breakout and stock looking good (i.e. IGT) If you believe you have caught a true leadership stock like an AMGN or QCOM et al. average up with a 20-30% position. Do this at pullbacks to the 50 day MA or breakouts of short consolidations. Use a tight 3-5% stop on these adds. If the stock builds a whole new base buy another 1/2 position and use a normal stop on that add. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:49 PM > I am watching ACF closely for an opp to add some more shares. I have very > little experience in adding shares, but this is one that I feel I should > consider some new ones. I feel a nice low volume handle at this point > gives that opp, and I am considering adding some at this point. (I haven't > really decided yet tho.) > > However, to be clear, I don't see the present ACF chart as a good initial > CANSLIM entry. I would consider it extended for new buy purposes. I will > also limit my new purchase to a relatively small amount compared to what I > own not. I would consider maybe 20-25% additionnal stock. > > Does anyone have suggestions on a good way or time to add to a successful > position, and how much they add at that point? > > At 11:23 PM 5/29/01 EDT, you wrote: > >Earl: > > > > Fundamentally, ACF is CANSLIM, I believe, with very nice projected > >earnings. I know its LLUR form is not CANSLIM; however, if it forms a base > >here (I assume it's not going to retract into a CUP), don't you believe that > >it would be a good time to add shares-assuming it BO from its new base? > > > >jans > > > > > > > >In a message dated 5/28/2001 12:17:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >esetser@covad.net writes: > > > ><< As a holding, I'm very happy with the stock. It has been > stair-stepping up > > with most of the larger volume days moving up nicely. It has also pulled > > back a couple of times, but only for a few days, and generally on lower > > volume. > > > > As a new purchase, I would consider ACF too extended to pick up as a > > CANSLIM purchase right now. >> > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: [CANSLIM] climax top? Date: 30 May 2001 07:48:30 -0400 TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. Volume is way up. WON says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal circumstances. But I am worried about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, THQI, TUTR) are all down. I am considering selling half at market and keeping the rest. Any suggestions? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Surindra" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What's up with APL...not APO (was CHIC)? Date: 30 May 2001 08:43:16 -0400 Sorry Guys, misspelled, it should have been APL... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:09 PM I must be missing the 1st letter of the symbol??? APO is 15/61/CCD. Wrong stock?? At 10:43 PM 5/29/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > APO keeps on creeping up. I have been watching and thought it is extended. >Good income, growth, sector. EPS 99, RS 99, GRS 87, PE 19, last four >quarters show high triple digit growth in earnings and revnues. Is it still >a buy or too late now? > >Surindra Singh > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of David Squires >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:59 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? > > >Doug, > >Your right WON is not a trailing stop guy. He advocates watching the action >of your stocks and the market to gauge when to sell. Admittedly, this can be >a bit subjective and those who don't watch the market all day may find a 15% > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders Date: 30 May 2001 06:54:36 -0600 You select the DG books index REPORT. This is a report that has all of the about 2800 stocks that are featured in the DG books. At 11:57 PM 5/29/01 EDT, you wrote: >Tom: > > I'm not quite certain what you mean? I get the DG books and DGO both. >You say that Friday's index to the books that includes the industry group. >"Then", you add, "you click on the header, and it will sort the index by >industry group." > > I don't understand the procedcure of how you can click on an index in >DGO, and get an industry group. Click on what "header" of which index, and >it will sort what "industry group"? >jans > > >In a message dated 5/29/2001 10:11:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >stkguru@netside.net writes: > ><< I think it is Friday's index to the books that includes the > industry group. You can use that list without having to go to > Excel, just click on the header and it will sort the index by > industry group. Then scroll down to the group you want to review, > select the first stock, and minimize the list. Now you can scroll > thru the list from there by hitting either the space bar or the > down arrow, then hitting Enter. >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] climax top? Date: 30 May 2001 07:08:08 -0600 After yesterday's action, it looked at TTWO and the price/volume. Given the length of the base, I'm still comfortable here. I decided to keep a 15% trailing stop on it and watch it, but for now, I'll hang onto this one. I am trying to be patient with my few winners right now. I have really had a lot of quick losses, and the winners (esp TTWO and ACF) have really bailed me out so far. I am fearful of giving those gains back, but overall, it has been the few VERY GOOD winners that have driven my gains in CANSLIM rather than my overall batting average. I do have 15% trailing stops on both. At 07:48 AM 5/30/01 -0400, you wrote: >TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. Volume is way up. WON >says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal circumstances. But I am worried >about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, THQI, TUTR) are all down. > >I am considering selling half at market and keeping the rest. Any >suggestions? > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's up with APL...not APO (was CHIC)? Date: 30 May 2001 09:15:51 -0400 Whew, you had me worried, Surindra Despite the present low trailing PE of 19, and even lower on a projected basis, I would consider this too extended for a new buy. But the fundies make it worth watching for an entry, and even a good gamble just on pure momentum, esp. if there is any pullback. I do note that cash flow is lousy, $0.47 vs last year's earnings of $2.07. And the funds were not in it as of the last report (but may be now). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:43 AM Sorry Guys, misspelled, it should have been APL... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 11:09 PM I must be missing the 1st letter of the symbol??? APO is 15/61/CCD. Wrong stock?? At 10:43 PM 5/29/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > APO keeps on creeping up. I have been watching and thought it is extended. >Good income, growth, sector. EPS 99, RS 99, GRS 87, PE 19, last four >quarters show high triple digit growth in earnings and revnues. Is it still >a buy or too late now? > >Surindra Singh > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] climax top? Date: 30 May 2001 09:25:34 -0400 I would suggest taking the time to visit the SEC site and read thru the entire 10Q for the second quarter. Not suggesting you will find anything significant, but I do note that the earnings forecast is for $1.00, up only 11%, and thru 2 qtrs they only earned 36 cents, so behind the pace at the moment. Their business appears cyclical, with Q2 being the slowest, so they may well still exceed this forecast. But 11% growth is not terribly exciting, even now. Given a big gain, and present "M", I would be inclined to tighten the stop. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:08 AM After yesterday's action, it looked at TTWO and the price/volume. Given the length of the base, I'm still comfortable here. I decided to keep a 15% trailing stop on it and watch it, but for now, I'll hang onto this one. I am trying to be patient with my few winners right now. I have really had a lot of quick losses, and the winners (esp TTWO and ACF) have really bailed me out so far. I am fearful of giving those gains back, but overall, it has been the few VERY GOOD winners that have driven my gains in CANSLIM rather than my overall batting average. I do have 15% trailing stops on both. At 07:48 AM 5/30/01 -0400, you wrote: >TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. Volume is way up. WON >says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal circumstances. But I am worried >about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, THQI, TUTR) are all down. > >I am considering selling half at market and keeping the rest. Any >suggestions? > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Shannon" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] What's up with CHIC? Date: 30 May 2001 09:35:59 -0400 WON reaffirmed the 8 week holding period at the last advanced investment workshop. Doug -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:05 AM Hi Doug, I first picked up the 15% trailing stop concept from an interview WON did for Registered Rep, a magazine for stock brokers. In HTMMIS, I think he does talk about moving your entry point stop up to the entry point once you are up 15%. And the "hold if you are up 20%" time period used to be 8 weeks, don't know if he may have shortened it in recent years. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:07 PM Tom, I'm new to canslim but am trying to follow the rules exactly as stated by WON in his books, advanced seminars, and IBD learning center. Does WON specifically talk about trailing stops after a 15% move above the pivot? All I can remember is selling it if it goes up 20%+ taking longer than 4 weeks and keeping it if it goes up 20%+ in less than 4 weeks. I don't remember any mention of trailing stops. That diffently would have helped with CHIC. Thanks, Doug Tom wrote: Doug and Danny, I realize that hindsight is always 20-20, and it's easier to procrastinate when I don't have real money on the table, but I must ask why you were not using a trailing stop? Congrats on getting in at the pivot, I would agree that under 32 was a good entry. But after it had moved up to nearly 40, you clearly were ahead by over 15%, and could have applied a mental or hard stop. That should have taken you out on 5/22, with at least a small profit, instead of being stopped out for a loss. As for "M", I would say that this is anything but a raging bull, more like a mewing newborn calf, still trying to make its mark on the world. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] climax top? Date: 30 May 2001 06:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Hello Ann I understand how you feel. I also own TTWO. I am going to let the stock itself tell me when to sell. I will set a trailing stop and if it activates, I am out with a profit. If not, I make more money. This saves the anxiety. Regards Kent Norman --- Ann Hollingworth wrote: > TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. > Volume is way up. WON > says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal > circumstances. But I am worried > about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, > THQI, TUTR) are all down. > > I am considering selling half at market and keeping > the rest. Any > suggestions? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] climax top? Date: 30 May 2001 08:51:04 -0500 Ann, I don't see a climax top. If you look at a weekly chart you will see the stock has broken out of an 18 month base on massive volume. A pullback is to be expected...(long-term bases tend to be tested)but judging from the volume the stock should go higher provided M holds up. I looked at your group stocks and all, except RLRN seemed to be acting okay to me given the markets recent drop. As for M, yesterday and 5-22 were distribution days but you often need 4-5 of these to kill an advance. Also, yesterday was still very low volume so it is a marginal distribution day. As for leadership, the homebuilders and retailers are cracking which is not that surprising. However, this was the initial leadership so its important info....Bad. Furthermore, I saw a fair amount of distribution in my chart scanning...not good. Lastly, I was still able to find a fair number of stocks base building and not to many breakdowns...strong positive. It is okay for former leadership to fail as long as there are stocks ready to assume the role. I'd say the market is at a critical juncture here. If the new base builders start falling apart and the recent breakouts start failing I would take 1/2 your TTWO off. For now it seems you should hold the whole position. Remember, hold the stock that treats you well and dump the one that doesn't. I'd say TTWO is treating you well! DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:48 AM > TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. Volume is way up. WON > says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal circumstances. But I am worried > about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, THQI, TUTR) are all down. > > I am considering selling half at market and keeping the rest. Any > suggestions? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: DGO Upgrade (was Re: [CANSLIM] new leaders) Date: 30 May 2001 10:18:33 EDT Jonathan: I E-mailed DGO a few weeks ago about whether they-like IBD Online-would offer weekly graphs. Here's the reply: We are in the process of developing an all new version of Daily Graphs Online. 3 year weekly charts are currently in the testing phase and are intended to be an added feature. The new version should be available early this summer. At this time, no further information is available. Feel free to contact us if you have further questions. Frank Daily Graphs Online jans In a message dated 5/30/2001 1:03:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Hi Jonathan, I looked back thru some old email, and see that in August they talked about a major upgrade that would add weekly charts. At that time, they expected to start beta testing (available only to current subscribers) with the full service at the end of the year. Obviously, they didn't meet that time frame. I had another email, which apparently I did not save, that indicated an upgrade this summer. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Lien To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] new leaders Tom, When is the next major upgrade. I believe DGO is way overdue for an upgrade. Thanks, Jonathan >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ed McDonough Subject: RE: Indicator Discussion (was [CANSLIM]OFF LIST: MACD(was My Leader'sList)) Date: 30 May 2001 07:54:52 -0400 I'm interested. ED -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Raghu Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:27 PM Leader'sList)) please count me in...Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:20 AM Leader's List)) > Dan..good idea ..count me in on it..thxs...Joe > > Dan wrote: > > > Anyone interested in an ongoing, off list conversation exploring indicators, > > their use, application, interpretation to CANSLIM investing? > > > > I say off list, because this subject matter may annoy those who want to keep the > > list more tightly focused to ONeil and his framing. If this is not the case, it > > does not need to be off list. > > > > We could set it up simply, by selecting "reply all". > > > > Just one of my bright ideas that I thought I would through out for members to > > take potshots. > > > > I know I feel constrained to post on this topic. > > > > Dan > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > l. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 30 May 2001 07:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Yes Tom, that is my thinking. CANSLIM first to buy, then TA to ASSIST with the decision to hold/sell. I did not intend to fragment the group. I can understand that many would not be interested and do not want to discuss TA. I will continue to use this group as primary and only use the TI group for the occasional TA issues. After all, I look at far more stock for purchase than sell. With the use of trailing stops, many sell decisions are made for me. Regards Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Actually, Bill, I would object if this forum turned > into a > discussion on using technical indicators as a means > of > "selecting" stocks as that's what CANSLIM is for. > But when time > permits me to practice my full discipline, I do very > much use TI > for timing of buys and sells, and resolving > decisions on whether > to hold. > > I have always had trouble with timing, either I am > too impulsive > and rush in, or I hesitate and wait for that > "perfect" point. TI > (or TA, Technical Analysis) has served me well in > that regard, > giving me an objective yardstick and helping me > minimize the > "emotion" factor. > > But the stock under consideration first and foremost > is evaluated > according to CANSLIM. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Triffet > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:29 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > > > I think it's fair to say it's a hot topic. Actually, > it was I > that started > up the topic of indicators as being non-canslim. I > had only > thought it was > important to note that for the newcommers, MACD is > not a WON > topic. I also > now see by the replys of the regulars here, using > this and other > indicators > is a very important part of stock selection. Perhaps > it's due to > the > availability of these tools on the net now - > somthing that only > the > privaliged had back when HTMMIS was first published. > So, if you > ask my > opinion...lets include it! > > -Bill Triffet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "esetser" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > > > > Maybe it's time to ask this differently. Who > objects to these > discussions > > being held in the group? I don't see them a > definitively OT > unless the > > overall volume gets really large. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List Date: 30 May 2001 07:28:35 -0700 ACF is not an LLUR, IMHO. It is simply on a 3rd stage B/O and is therefore extended, with no nearby support. If I held it I would be very happy, but as earl pointed out it is not buyable now, whether you use CANSLIM, HGS, or LLUR as your justification. At 11:23 PM 5/29/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Earl: > > Fundamentally, ACF is CANSLIM, I believe, with very nice projected >earnings. I know its LLUR form is not CANSLIM; however, if it forms a base >here (I assume it's not going to retract into a CUP), don't you believe that >it would be a good time to add shares-assuming it BO from its new base? > >jans > > > >In a message dated 5/28/2001 12:17:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >esetser@covad.net writes: > ><< As a holding, I'm very happy with the stock. It has been stair-stepping up > with most of the larger volume days moving up nicely. It has also pulled > back a couple of times, but only for a few days, and generally on lower > volume. > > As a new purchase, I would consider ACF too extended to pick up as a > CANSLIM purchase right now. >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Hudson Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 30 May 2001 09:29:27 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E914.EE797990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Yes Tom, that is my thinking. CANSLIM first to buy, > then TA to ASSIST with the decision to hold/sell. > I think most of us would agree that both used together are helpful. > I did not intend to fragment the group. I can > understand that many would not be interested and do > not want to discuss TA. > Personally I think it is relevant and I'd like to see it discussed on the list. -- Chris H ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E914.EE797990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion}

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> Yes Tom, that is my thinking. CANSLIM first to buy,
> then TA to ASSIST with the decision to hold/sell.
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I think most of us would agree that both used together are helpful.

> I did not intend to fragment the group. I can
> understand that many would not be interested and do
> not want to discuss TA.
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Personally I think it is relevant and I'd like to see it discussed on the list. 
 -- Chris H

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E914.EE797990-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 30 May 2001 07:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Bill It doesn't have to be an all or nothing issue. I propose keeping this group as it has been. For the occasional TA issues, use the other group. There is nothing prohibiting the use of both groups and it helps keep the purity of CANSLIM as it should be. If we start TA in this group the clarity may be diminished. I don't want to mess up a good thing. Regards Kent Norman --- Bill Triffet wrote: > I think it's fair to say it's a hot topic. Actually, > it was I that started > up the topic of indicators as being non-canslim. I > had only thought it was > important to note that for the newcommers, MACD is > not a WON topic. I also > now see by the replys of the regulars here, using > this and other indicators > is a very important part of stock selection. Perhaps > it's due to the > availability of these tools on the net now - > somthing that only the > privaliged had back when HTMMIS was first published. > So, if you ask my > opinion...lets include it! > > -Bill Triffet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "esetser" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > > > > Maybe it's time to ask this differently. Who > objects to these discussions > > being held in the group? I don't see them a > definitively OT unless the > > overall volume gets really large. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List - ACF comments Date: 30 May 2001 07:32:06 -0700 Id look for a bounce off the 50 dma on above ADV if it was an LLUR. Since it isn't (trades under the 50 dma often) I can't help you. Really, it is so extended why would you want to add shares? Don't you expect a pullback or a base is much more likely that it extending itself even further, especially given the distribution days in M this past 5 trading days or so? At 09:49 PM 5/29/2001 -0600, you wrote: >I am watching ACF closely for an opp to add some more shares. I have very >little experience in adding shares, but this is one that I feel I should >consider some new ones. I feel a nice low volume handle at this point >gives that opp, and I am considering adding some at this point. (I haven't >really decided yet tho.) > >However, to be clear, I don't see the present ACF chart as a good initial >CANSLIM entry. I would consider it extended for new buy purposes. I will >also limit my new purchase to a relatively small amount compared to what I >own not. I would consider maybe 20-25% additionnal stock. > >Does anyone have suggestions on a good way or time to add to a successful >position, and how much they add at that point? > >At 11:23 PM 5/29/01 EDT, you wrote: > >Earl: > > > > Fundamentally, ACF is CANSLIM, I believe, with very nice projected > >earnings. I know its LLUR form is not CANSLIM; however, if it forms a base > >here (I assume it's not going to retract into a CUP), don't you believe > that > >it would be a good time to add shares-assuming it BO from its new base? > > > >jans > > > > > > > >In a message dated 5/28/2001 12:17:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >esetser@covad.net writes: > > > ><< As a holding, I'm very happy with the stock. It has been >stair-stepping up > > with most of the larger volume days moving up nicely. It has also pulled > > back a couple of times, but only for a few days, and generally on lower > > volume. > > > > As a new purchase, I would consider ACF too extended to pick up as a > > CANSLIM purchase right now. >> > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 30 May 2001 10:35:45 -0400 I don't think this will fragment the group, Kent. I have already set filters so the different messages go to different folders depending on the To: line. I suspect the more advanced CANSLIMers are looking for new ways to improve their skills, just as I am. And in this turbulent "M", even the novices want to make the best decisions. I don't see where TA can hurt anyone interested in learning. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:22 AM Yes Tom, that is my thinking. CANSLIM first to buy, then TA to ASSIST with the decision to hold/sell. I did not intend to fragment the group. I can understand that many would not be interested and do not want to discuss TA. I will continue to use this group as primary and only use the TI group for the occasional TA issues. After all, I look at far more stock for purchase than sell. With the use of trailing stops, many sell decisions are made for me. Regards Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Actually, Bill, I would object if this forum turned > into a > discussion on using technical indicators as a means > of > "selecting" stocks as that's what CANSLIM is for. > But when time > permits me to practice my full discipline, I do very > much use TI > for timing of buys and sells, and resolving > decisions on whether > to hold. > > I have always had trouble with timing, either I am > too impulsive > and rush in, or I hesitate and wait for that > "perfect" point. TI > (or TA, Technical Analysis) has served me well in > that regard, > giving me an objective yardstick and helping me > minimize the > "emotion" factor. > > But the stock under consideration first and foremost > is evaluated > according to CANSLIM. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Triffet > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:29 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > > > I think it's fair to say it's a hot topic. Actually, > it was I > that started > up the topic of indicators as being non-canslim. I > had only > thought it was > important to note that for the newcommers, MACD is > not a WON > topic. I also > now see by the replys of the regulars here, using > this and other > indicators > is a very important part of stock selection. Perhaps > it's due to > the > availability of these tools on the net now - > somthing that only > the > privaliged had back when HTMMIS was first published. > So, if you > ask my > opinion...lets include it! > > -Bill Triffet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "esetser" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:54 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > > > > Maybe it's time to ask this differently. Who > objects to these > discussions > > being held in the group? I don't see them a > definitively OT > unless the > > overall volume gets really large. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] climax top? Date: 30 May 2001 07:45:39 -0700 Sorry, ATVI and and THQI are game developers (leisure - games), not providers of educational software & services (comps-edu). Anyone who groups them with RLRN has them severely misclassified, IMHO. And they are resting after making new highs the past week. They are two of my strongest holdings. Down? Only in the extremely short term. These are two of the strongest stocks in the CANSLIM universe right now, along the other gamers, i.e. ALLY, IGT, etc. .At 07:48 AM 5/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: >TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. Volume is way up. WON >says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal circumstances. But I am worried >about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, THQI, TUTR) are all down. > >I am considering selling half at market and keeping the rest. Any >suggestions? > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] climax top? Date: 30 May 2001 07:50:20 -0700 Tom, as I noted before, all the game makers are extremely cyclical, with well over 50% of their income packed into Q4. At 09:25 AM 5/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I would suggest taking the time to visit the SEC site and read >thru the entire 10Q for the second quarter. Not suggesting you >will find anything significant, but I do note that the earnings >forecast is for $1.00, up only 11%, and thru 2 qtrs they only >earned 36 cents, so behind the pace at the moment. Their business >appears cyclical, with Q2 being the slowest, so they may well >still exceed this forecast. But 11% growth is not terribly >exciting, even now. > >Given a big gain, and present "M", I would be inclined to tighten >the stop. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > >----- Original Message ----- >From: esetser >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:08 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] climax top? > > >After yesterday's action, it looked at TTWO and the price/volume. >Given >the length of the base, I'm still comfortable here. I decided to >keep a >15% trailing stop on it and watch it, but for now, I'll hang onto >this one. > >I am trying to be patient with my few winners right now. I have >really had >a lot of quick losses, and the winners (esp TTWO and ACF) have >really >bailed me out so far. I am fearful of giving those gains back, >but >overall, it has been the few VERY GOOD winners that have driven >my gains in >CANSLIM rather than my overall batting average. I do have 15% >trailing >stops on both. > >At 07:48 AM 5/30/01 -0400, you wrote: > >TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. Volume is >way up. WON > >says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal circumstances. But I >am worried > >about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, THQI, TUTR) are >all down. > > > >I am considering selling half at market and keeping the rest. >Any > >suggestions? > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] climax top? Date: 30 May 2001 07:52:43 -0700 Also, a climax top only comes after a huge runup with no nearby support, which does not fit TTWO's chart at all. If anything this is a cha-cha-cha stock launching its third leg. Extended, but not unreasonably so, and certainly not a good candidate for a fresh entry. But as with ATVI and THQI, as a holder you should be awful satisfied and give it some wiggle room, but I would give it no more than the standard 15%. In fact I am giving those two only 10% since I am in a preserving-my-profits mode with all this distribution going on. At 07:48 AM 5/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: >TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. Volume is way up. WON >says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal circumstances. But I am worried >about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, THQI, TUTR) are all down. > >I am considering selling half at market and keeping the rest. Any >suggestions? > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 30 May 2001 08:09:45 -0700 During the downdraft of the last week, WMS is easily the strongest acting stock that has caught my eye lately. Anyone else have others? Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:43 AM > Thank you, > > Ian > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] climax top? Date: 30 May 2001 08:03:30 -0700 I partially disagree, I now believe that highs as old as 18 months ago should be ignored, as per WON. Looking at a 12 month chart, it formed a C&H with a low handle and a deep cup, not ideal, with a pivot at 16 & change, and is therefore extended for a fresh buy. Second or third stage of the advance from 8 & change, it's hard to tell which. At 08:51 AM 5/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Ann, > >I don't see a climax top. If you look at a weekly chart you will see the >stock has broken out of an 18 month base on massive volume. A pullback is to >be expected...(long-term bases tend to be tested)but judging from the volume >the stock should go higher provided M holds up. I looked at your group >stocks and all, except RLRN seemed to be acting okay to me given the markets >recent drop. As for M, yesterday and 5-22 were distribution days but you >often need 4-5 of these to kill an advance. Also, yesterday was still very >low volume so it is a marginal distribution day. As for leadership, the >homebuilders and retailers are cracking which is not that surprising. >However, this was the initial leadership so its important info....Bad. >Furthermore, I saw a fair amount of distribution in my chart scanning...not >good. Lastly, I was still able to find a fair number of stocks base building >and not to many breakdowns...strong positive. It is okay for former >leadership to fail as long as there are stocks ready to assume the role. I'd >say the market is at a critical juncture here. If the new base builders >start falling apart and the recent breakouts start failing I would take 1/2 >your TTWO off. For now it seems you should hold the whole position. >Remember, hold the stock that treats you well and dump the one that doesn't. >I'd say TTWO is treating you well! > >DSquires > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ann Hollingworth" >To: "CANSLIM Listserv" >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:48 AM >Subject: [CANSLIM] climax top? > > > > TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. Volume is way up. WON > > says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal circumstances. But I am worried > > about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, THQI, TUTR) are all down. > > > > I am considering selling half at market and keeping the rest. Any > > suggestions? > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 30 May 2001 08:05:44 -0700 IMHO, it is extended, with a pivot at 24, and the B/O was last week. Too late for this one, and it also fails my HGS scan. There are much better stocks in its group. At 08:09 AM 5/30/2001 -0700, you wrote: >During the downdraft of the last week, WMS is easily the strongest acting >stock that has caught my eye lately. Anyone else have others? > >Ian > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ian >To: >Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:43 AM >Subject: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Ian > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 30 May 2001 08:25:17 -0700 Tom & Kent, I think if it's discussed as," I see XYZ rated at 90 90 A A A breaking out of a solid base and btw, the MACD is trending..." It will not be too much to digest. Deeper discussions should maybe have a TA in the message line. Easy enough to bypass for those wishing that. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:35 AM > I don't think this will fragment the group, Kent. I have already > set filters so the different messages go to different folders > depending on the To: line. > > I suspect the more advanced CANSLIMers are looking for new ways > to improve their skills, just as I am. And in this turbulent "M", > even the novices want to make the best decisions. I don't see > where TA can hurt anyone interested in learning. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Norman > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > > > Yes Tom, that is my thinking. CANSLIM first to buy, > then TA to ASSIST with the decision to hold/sell. > > I did not intend to fragment the group. I can > understand that many would not be interested and do > not want to discuss TA. > > I will continue to use this group as primary and only > use the TI group for the occasional TA issues. After > all, I look at far more stock for purchase than sell. > With the use of trailing stops, many sell decisions > are made for me. > > Regards > Kent Norman > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > Actually, Bill, I would object if this forum turned > > into a > > discussion on using technical indicators as a means > > of > > "selecting" stocks as that's what CANSLIM is for. > > But when time > > permits me to practice my full discipline, I do very > > much use TI > > for timing of buys and sells, and resolving > > decisions on whether > > to hold. > > > > I have always had trouble with timing, either I am > > too impulsive > > and rush in, or I hesitate and wait for that > > "perfect" point. TI > > (or TA, Technical Analysis) has served me well in > > that regard, > > giving me an objective yardstick and helping me > > minimize the > > "emotion" factor. > > > > But the stock under consideration first and foremost > > is evaluated > > according to CANSLIM. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > AIM: TexWorley > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bill Triffet > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > > > > > > I think it's fair to say it's a hot topic. Actually, > > it was I > > that started > > up the topic of indicators as being non-canslim. I > > had only > > thought it was > > important to note that for the newcommers, MACD is > > not a WON > > topic. I also > > now see by the replys of the regulars here, using > > this and other > > indicators > > is a very important part of stock selection. Perhaps > > it's due to > > the > > availability of these tools on the net now - > > somthing that only > > the > > privaliged had back when HTMMIS was first published. > > So, if you > > ask my > > opinion...lets include it! > > > > -Bill Triffet > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "esetser" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:54 PM > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > > > > > > > Maybe it's time to ask this differently. Who > > objects to these > > discussions > > > being held in the group? I don't see them a > > definitively OT > > unless the > > > overall volume gets really large. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 30 May 2001 08:35:50 -0700 I agree with you - I wouldn't buy WMS at $28 - $22 was a much nicer price. But I do like to look out for stocks that are behaving well in a sharp selloff like we are in. They are great candidates for leaders when the selling ends. Are you seeing anything that fits this description? Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:05 AM > IMHO, it is extended, with a pivot at 24, and the B/O was last week. Too > late for this one, and it also fails my HGS scan. There are much better > stocks in its group. > > At 08:09 AM 5/30/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >During the downdraft of the last week, WMS is easily the strongest acting > >stock that has caught my eye lately. Anyone else have others? > > > >Ian > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Ian > >To: > >Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:43 AM > >Subject: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List - ACF comments Date: 30 May 2001 11:27:44 EDT Tom: I realize this question of what you mean in your economic analysis is not strictly CANSLIM (although some of the components of CANSLIM are composed of economic data that must be analyzed). In any event, could you explain what you mean by the bonds "being heavily amortized on principal by early repayment." I'm not sure I follow, and I'd like to understand your economic analyses of ACF. jans In a message dated 5/30/2001 2:19:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << I am already seeing this in the GNMAs and other US govt agency home mortgage backed bonds we buy for our customers. Many purchased just a year or two ago are already being called in full because they have been so heavily amortized on principal by early repayment (presumably due refinancing). >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 30 May 2001 11:37:53 -0400 Looks today to me like a secondary stage b/o. Only time, and the rest of the trading day, will tell for sure. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:05 AM IMHO, it is extended, with a pivot at 24, and the B/O was last week. Too late for this one, and it also fails my HGS scan. There are much better stocks in its group. At 08:09 AM 5/30/2001 -0700, you wrote: >During the downdraft of the last week, WMS is easily the strongest acting >stock that has caught my eye lately. Anyone else have others? > >Ian > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ian >To: >Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:43 AM >Subject: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List - ACF comments Date: 30 May 2001 11:44:54 -0400 GNMAs, and other govt agency issues like FNMA and so forth, are pools of home mortgages. When rates drop, especially as sharply as they have this year, home owners with an outstanding mortgage tend to refinance. That leads to a payoff of the principal, thus retiring that loan from the pool. When a pool of, say, $100 million, is reduced to only about $10 or $15 million principal, it is no longer worth maintaining, and is likely to be called in full. What loans still remain in the pool can be rolled into a new pool. Granted, these homeowners have taken out a new loan, which eventually will likely end up in a GNMA pool, but it will be a new pool with a lower coupon, and that will take time (usually about 6 months). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:27 AM Tom: I realize this question of what you mean in your economic analysis is not strictly CANSLIM (although some of the components of CANSLIM are composed of economic data that must be analyzed). In any event, could you explain what you mean by the bonds "being heavily amortized on principal by early repayment." I'm not sure I follow, and I'd like to understand your economic analyses of ACF. jans In a message dated 5/30/2001 2:19:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << I am already seeing this in the GNMAs and other US govt agency home mortgage backed bonds we buy for our customers. Many purchased just a year or two ago are already being called in full because they have been so heavily amortized on principal by early repayment (presumably due refinancing). >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] climax top? Date: 30 May 2001 11:06:04 -0700 >>I partially disagree, I now believe that highs as old as 18 months ago should be ignored, as per WON. << Point me in this direction...I would like to read this. BTW, it traded 12 million shares in 3 days after it broke the 18 month highs so the market seems to think it matters. That's enough for this little piggy! DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:03 AM > I partially disagree, I now believe that highs as old as 18 months ago > should be ignored, as per WON. Looking at a 12 month chart, it formed a C&H > with a low handle and a deep cup, not ideal, with a pivot at 16 & change, > and is therefore extended for a fresh buy. Second or third stage of the > advance from 8 & change, it's hard to tell which. > > At 08:51 AM 5/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >Ann, > > > >I don't see a climax top. If you look at a weekly chart you will see the > >stock has broken out of an 18 month base on massive volume. A pullback is to > >be expected...(long-term bases tend to be tested)but judging from the volume > >the stock should go higher provided M holds up. I looked at your group > >stocks and all, except RLRN seemed to be acting okay to me given the markets > >recent drop. As for M, yesterday and 5-22 were distribution days but you > >often need 4-5 of these to kill an advance. Also, yesterday was still very > >low volume so it is a marginal distribution day. As for leadership, the > >homebuilders and retailers are cracking which is not that surprising. > >However, this was the initial leadership so its important info....Bad. > >Furthermore, I saw a fair amount of distribution in my chart scanning...not > >good. Lastly, I was still able to find a fair number of stocks base building > >and not to many breakdowns...strong positive. It is okay for former > >leadership to fail as long as there are stocks ready to assume the role. I'd > >say the market is at a critical juncture here. If the new base builders > >start falling apart and the recent breakouts start failing I would take 1/2 > >your TTWO off. For now it seems you should hold the whole position. > >Remember, hold the stock that treats you well and dump the one that doesn't. > >I'd say TTWO is treating you well! > > > >DSquires > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ann Hollingworth" > >To: "CANSLIM Listserv" > >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:48 AM > >Subject: [CANSLIM] climax top? > > > > > > > TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. Volume is way up. WON > > > says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal circumstances. But I am worried > > > about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, THQI, TUTR) are all down. > > > > > > I am considering selling half at market and keeping the rest. Any > > > suggestions? > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 30 May 2001 12:07:19 EDT Canslimmers: I agree with Chris. We all use CANSLIM; however, Tom has said, his buy and sells, using CANSLIM, have been better timed when he uses MACD in conjunction with CANSLIM. This is not a "technical indicator forum"; it is, however, a CANSLIM forum. And if a technical indicator can be used to time the pivot point BO better (or to help decide whether that retracement is weak-so I better sell), what is wrong with discussing technical indicators in a CANSLIM context? I don't see the difference in opinions on where the BO or pivot point is, and opinions on whether or not this-or-that technical indicator helps to pinpoint the BO better. jans In a message dated 5/30/2001 10:28:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CHudson@karta.com writes: << Yes Tom, that is my thinking. CANSLIM first to buy, > then TA to ASSIST with the decision to hold/sell. > I think most of us would agree that both used together are helpful. > I did not intend to fragment the group. I can > understand that many would not be interested and do > not want to discuss TA. > Personally I think it is relevant and I'd like to see it discussed on the list. -- Chris H >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 30 May 2001 09:43:43 -0700 Right now I'm selling like crazy and holding on to my cash. Whether new leaders emerge or the current leaders continue is irrelevant to me. I have my watch list and will look at it if and when this distribution ends. On 08:35 AM 5/30/01, Ian Said: >I agree with you - I wouldn't buy WMS at $28 - $22 was a much nicer price. >But I do like to look out for stocks that are behaving well in a sharp >selloff like we are in. They are great candidates for leaders when the >selling ends. Are you seeing anything that fits this description? > >Cheers, > >Ian > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tim Fisher >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:05 AM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? > > > > IMHO, it is extended, with a pivot at 24, and the B/O was last week. Too > > late for this one, and it also fails my HGS scan. There are much better > > stocks in its group. > > > > At 08:09 AM 5/30/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > >During the downdraft of the last week, WMS is easily the strongest acting > > >stock that has caught my eye lately. Anyone else have others? > > > > > >Ian > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Ian > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:43 AM > > >Subject: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 30 May 2001 10:34:21 -0700 I'm in the selling mode also. FEIC & ADVP are gone. Still holding my last one, IGT. -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:43 AM > Right now I'm selling like crazy and holding on to my cash. Whether new > leaders emerge or the current leaders continue is irrelevant to me. I have > my watch list and will look at it if and when this distribution ends. > > On 08:35 AM 5/30/01, Ian Said: > >I agree with you - I wouldn't buy WMS at $28 - $22 was a much nicer price. > >But I do like to look out for stocks that are behaving well in a sharp > >selloff like we are in. They are great candidates for leaders when the > >selling ends. Are you seeing anything that fits this description? > > > >Cheers, > > > >Ian > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Tim Fisher > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:05 AM > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? > > > > > > > IMHO, it is extended, with a pivot at 24, and the B/O was last week. Too > > > late for this one, and it also fails my HGS scan. There are much better > > > stocks in its group. > > > > > > At 08:09 AM 5/30/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > > >During the downdraft of the last week, WMS is easily the strongest acting > > > >stock that has caught my eye lately. Anyone else have others? > > > > > > > >Ian > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Ian > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 8:43 AM > > > >Subject: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Steven Limbert" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Krispy Kreme Date: 30 May 2001 15:44:53 -0400 Gene, The only way to eat a KK donut is hot off the assembly line, in the store. They sell them by the dozen in pizza boxes and you see them pick them off just as they pass through the glazer. To eat one in this manner is a religious experience, once they are cold, it is totally over..... Try it, you will love and see the glorious light of KK donuts SL >From: Gene Ricci >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] Krispy Kreme >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:16:53 -0500 > >I just tasted my first KK doughnut! The hype was a lot better than the >taste. There is a Super Target store with a KK kiosk (doughnuts baked >elsewhere).... bought the doughnuts around 9.30 a.m. and the glaze on the >dougnuts was sticky, almost wet....... the jelly and creamed filled >doughnuts were very short on filling..... compared to Dunkin Doughnuts or >Souther Maid....... where's the beef? Appears that the best thing about KK >is their stock price. > >From one that never has tasted a bad doughnut. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 30 May 2001 13:42:26 -0600 Still 15 minutes till the market closes so I hope I'm not speaking too soon but IGT does look like it's holding up pretty good today also. IGT is my biggest holding right now even after taking some partial profits. I agree that if the market is done with the pullback after today then IGT might move up some more. If it stays in the 60 to 65 range over the next few weeks that'll be fine with me. If it starts to come down more I won't totally bail until it gets below 56. Given the current uncertain market conditions (could be the end of a bear market rally??) I'm not going to add anymore. Had some Jul 55 and 60 calls to give my returns a little extra kick. Cashed them out on the way down from the peak. Might get back into the Jul60calls and also some Jul65 if some strong buying in IGT starts again this week. At 10:02 PM 5/29/01 -0600, you wrote: >Looks like it closed down 19 cents. On a day where the nasdsaq >lost 3.4%, I think IGT is showing some strength. If anything, if the >market gets back on its feet again, might be good to add to any >position in IGT. > >On 29 May 01, at 10:52, Dave Cameron wrote: > > > Doug or anyone: > > > > As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like the > > general market so far today. At what price point do you consider > > that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's action > > continued) would you bail? > > > > Dave > > > > > > ===== > > Dave Cameron > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] TSO Date: 30 May 2001 15:54:30 EDT --part1_7e.15b655af.2846a9f6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TSO 79/91 ABA nice C&H with 6 week base at pivot BO yesterday on good volume. Not much of a move as yet, might be ready to go? Thoughts. Numbers look good but not consistent. Chris. --part1_7e.15b655af.2846a9f6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TSO 79/91 ABA nice C&H with 6 week base at pivot BO yesterday on good volume.
 Not much of a move as yet, might be ready to go? Thoughts. Numbers look good
but not consistent.

Chris. --part1_7e.15b655af.2846a9f6_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Anyone watching WMS today? Opinions? Date: 30 May 2001 16:07:50 EDT --part1_8b.757fbe9.2846ad16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take a look at HOC Chris --part1_8b.757fbe9.2846ad16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take a look at HOC

Chris --part1_8b.757fbe9.2846ad16_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TSO Date: 30 May 2001 16:04:21 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C0E922.308D4B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pretty confused chart pattern where the handle should have formed. Gap = down, gap up, gap down, all in a two week period. With an earnings = forecast for this year of only 10%, there are far too many other oil = related stocks that look much better. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] TSO TSO 79/91 ABA nice C&H with 6 week base at pivot BO yesterday on good = volume.=20 Not much of a move as yet, might be ready to go? Thoughts. Numbers = look good=20 but not consistent.=20 Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C0E922.308D4B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pretty confused chart pattern where the handle = should have=20 formed. Gap down, gap up, gap down, all in a two week period. With an = earnings=20 forecast for this year of only 10%, there are far too many other oil = related=20 stocks that look much better.
 
Tom Worley
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TSO 79/91 = ABA nice=20 C&H with 6 week base at pivot BO yesterday on good volume. =
 Not=20 much of a move as yet, might be ready to go? Thoughts. Numbers look = good=20
but not consistent.

Chris. = ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C0E922.308D4B60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HOC Date: 30 May 2001 13:22:58 -0700 Hey finally a name I recognize. Good enough numbers for me 93/99/93/B/A/?. Nice B/O today, 4th stage though, I would not buy even if M was favorable. On 01:07 PM 5/30/01, Vanchee1@aol.com Said: >Take a look at HOC > >Chris Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} Date: 30 May 2001 13:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Fine by me Kent Norman --- Bill Triffet wrote: > Tom & Kent, > > I think if it's discussed as," I see XYZ rated at 90 > 90 A A A breaking out > of a solid base and btw, the MACD is trending..." It > will not be too much to > digest. Deeper discussions should maybe have a TA in > the message line. Easy > enough to bypass for those wishing that. > > -Bill Triffet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Worley" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:35 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator Discussion} > > > > I don't think this will fragment the group, Kent. > I have already > > set filters so the different messages go to > different folders > > depending on the To: line. > > > > I suspect the more advanced CANSLIMers are looking > for new ways > > to improve their skills, just as I am. And in this > turbulent "M", > > even the novices want to make the best decisions. > I don't see > > where TA can hurt anyone interested in learning. > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > AIM: TexWorley > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kent Norman > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:22 AM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator > Discussion} > > > > > > Yes Tom, that is my thinking. CANSLIM first to > buy, > > then TA to ASSIST with the decision to hold/sell. > > > > I did not intend to fragment the group. I can > > understand that many would not be interested and > do > > not want to discuss TA. > > > > I will continue to use this group as primary and > only > > use the TI group for the occasional TA issues. > After > > all, I look at far more stock for purchase than > sell. > > With the use of trailing stops, many sell > decisions > > are made for me. > > > > Regards > > Kent Norman > > > > --- Tom Worley wrote: > > > Actually, Bill, I would object if this forum > turned > > > into a > > > discussion on using technical indicators as a > means > > > of > > > "selecting" stocks as that's what CANSLIM is > for. > > > But when time > > > permits me to practice my full discipline, I do > very > > > much use TI > > > for timing of buys and sells, and resolving > > > decisions on whether > > > to hold. > > > > > > I have always had trouble with timing, either I > am > > > too impulsive > > > and rush in, or I hesitate and wait for that > > > "perfect" point. TI > > > (or TA, Technical Analysis) has served me well > in > > > that regard, > > > giving me an objective yardstick and helping me > > > minimize the > > > "emotion" factor. > > > > > > But the stock under consideration first and > foremost > > > is evaluated > > > according to CANSLIM. > > > > > > Tom Worley > > > stkguru@netside.net > > > AIM: TexWorley > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bill Triffet > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:29 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator > Discussion} > > > > > > > > > I think it's fair to say it's a hot topic. > Actually, > > > it was I > > > that started > > > up the topic of indicators as being non-canslim. > I > > > had only > > > thought it was > > > important to note that for the newcommers, MACD > is > > > not a WON > > > topic. I also > > > now see by the replys of the regulars here, > using > > > this and other > > > indicators > > > is a very important part of stock selection. > Perhaps > > > it's due to > > > the > > > availability of these tools on the net now - > > > somthing that only > > > the > > > privaliged had back when HTMMIS was first > published. > > > So, if you > > > ask my > > > opinion...lets include it! > > > > > > -Bill Triffet > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "esetser" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 6:54 PM > > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Camslim[indicator > Discussion} > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it's time to ask this differently. Who > > > objects to these > > > discussions > > > > being held in the group? I don't see them a > > > definitively OT > > > unless the > > > > overall volume gets really large. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > > email. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your > > email. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > - only $35 > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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OOookay! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:45 AM > Sorry, ATVI and and THQI are game developers (leisure - games), not > providers of educational software & services (comps-edu). Anyone who groups > them with RLRN has them severely misclassified, IMHO. And they are resting > after making new highs the past week. They are two of my strongest > holdings. Down? Only in the extremely short term. These are two of the > strongest stocks in the CANSLIM universe right now, along the other gamers, > i.e. ALLY, IGT, etc. > > .At 07:48 AM 5/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >TTWO is up almost 30% since I bought two weeks ago. Volume is way up. WON > >says not to sell in 1st 8 wks under normal circumstances. But I am worried > >about market. Also, others in group (RLRN, ATVI, THQI, TUTR) are all down. > > > >I am considering selling half at market and keeping the rest. Any > >suggestions? > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] HOC Date: 30 May 2001 13:28:19 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E946.AA474E5A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A brief lesson on counting, recognizing stages, please. I find HTMMIS vague on that topic. Grazie. Nancy. -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:23 PM Hey finally a name I recognize. Good enough numbers for me 93/99/93/B/A/?. Nice B/O today, 4th stage though, I would not buy even if M was favorable. On 01:07 PM 5/30/01, Vanchee1@aol.com Said: >Take a look at HOC > >Chris Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. 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A brief lesson on counting, recognizing stages, please.
I find HTMMIS vague on that topic.
Grazie.
Nancy.

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Hey finally a name I recognize. Good enough numbers for me 93/99/93/B/A/?.
Nice B/O today, 4th stage though, I would not buy even if M was favorable.

On 01:07 PM 5/30/01, Vanchee1@aol.com Said:
>Take a look at HOC
>
>Chris


Tim Fisher
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 30 May 2001 15:42:15 -0700 You might want to look at a weekly chart if IGT. It tailed off hard last week. The previous 2 times it did this it had a 2 bar correction on the weekly. DSquires ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:42 PM > Still 15 minutes till the market closes so I hope I'm not speaking too > soon but IGT does look like it's holding up pretty good today also. > IGT is my biggest holding right now even after taking some partial > profits. I agree that if the > market is done with the pullback after today then IGT might move > up some more. If it stays in the 60 to 65 range over the next few > weeks that'll be fine with me. If it starts to come down more > I won't totally bail until it gets below 56. > Given the current uncertain market conditions (could be the end > of a bear market rally??) I'm not going to add anymore. Had some > Jul 55 and 60 calls to give my returns a little extra kick. Cashed > them out on the way down from the peak. Might get back into the > Jul60calls and also some Jul65 if some strong buying in IGT > starts again this week. > > At 10:02 PM 5/29/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Looks like it closed down 19 cents. On a day where the nasdsaq > >lost 3.4%, I think IGT is showing some strength. If anything, if the > >market gets back on its feet again, might be good to add to any > >position in IGT. > > > >On 29 May 01, at 10:52, Dave Cameron wrote: > > > > > Doug or anyone: > > > > > > As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like the > > > general market so far today. At what price point do you consider > > > that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's action > > > continued) would you bail? > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Dave Cameron > > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TTWO climax top that isn't Date: 30 May 2001 14:13:46 -0700 (PDT) nothing wrong with cash in hand Kent --- Ann Hollingworth wrote: > Thanks, Earl, Kent, David, Tim, Tom: > > Thanks for the thoughts and research. Unfortunately > I put my market order in > before I went to work, but I'll keep all this in > mind for the half of the > position I have left. I am worried about the market, > and didn't want to lose > the profits I had made. > > Ann > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HOC Date: 30 May 2001 14:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Only average volume now. A month ago ADV was 1/2 of todays. Kent --- Tim Fisher wrote: > Hey finally a name I recognize. Good enough numbers > for me 93/99/93/B/A/?. > Nice B/O today, 4th stage though, I would not buy > even if M was favorable. > > On 01:07 PM 5/30/01, Vanchee1@aol.com Said: > >Take a look at HOC > > > >Chris > > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HOC Date: 30 May 2001 17:27:16 EDT Tim: On HOC, where would see the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stage? jans In a message dated 5/30/2001 4:21:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tim@OreRockOn.com writes: << Hey finally a name I recognize. Good enough numbers for me 93/99/93/B/A/?. Nice B/O today, 4th stage though, I would not buy even if M was favorable. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Fisher Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HOC Date: 30 May 2001 14:37:45 -0700 1st @ 10, spring '00, 2nd @ 12, rest of '00, 3rd @ 17, late Dec & early Jan, 4th @ 25 this spring. On 02:27 PM 5/30/01, Spencer48@aol.com Said: >Tim: > > On HOC, where would see the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th stage? > >jans > > >In a message dated 5/30/2001 4:21:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >Tim@OreRockOn.com writes: > ><< Hey finally a name I recognize. Good enough numbers for me 93/99/93/B/A/?. > Nice B/O today, 4th stage though, I would not buy even if M was favorable. > >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 May 2001 18:18:33 -0700 (PDT) I remember there was some discussion about TARO recently. Didn't catch the entire thread, because I felt that the base was a long way back. Someone suggested LLUR. Most panned it as being extended (as I thought). Today it was up nearly 20%. Whoever asked about it earlier, I hope you bought! ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 May 2001 21:56:45 -0400 Oh, dear. I had queried whether it might be a good time to buy TARO. Oh, well...Live and learn. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:18 PM > I remember there was some discussion about TARO recently. Didn't > catch the entire thread, because I felt that the base was a long way > back. Someone suggested LLUR. Most panned it as being extended > (as I thought). Today it was up nearly 20%. Whoever asked about > it earlier, I hope you bought! > > ===== > Dave Cameron > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave Cameron Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 May 2001 19:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Well... there's a few schools of thought. This one could have been "he who hesitates is lost". I prefer "I wait for as sure a thing as I can find." There will always be other ones. Take it as a plus that you recognized one that popped. --- Ann Hollingworth wrote: > Oh, dear. I had queried whether it might be a good time to buy > TARO. Oh, > well...Live and learn. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Cameron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:18 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > I remember there was some discussion about TARO recently. > Didn't > > catch the entire thread, because I felt that the base was a long > way > > back. Someone suggested LLUR. Most panned it as being > extended > > (as I thought). Today it was up nearly 20%. Whoever asked > about > > it earlier, I hope you bought! > > > > ===== > > Dave Cameron > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== Dave Cameron dfcameron@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 30 May 2001 20:25:12 -0600 David I see the tail ending 3/09. Is the other one you're speaking of ending 12/15?. You could be right that there is a likely hood of a sharp turn down. Looking at the chart back to Nov IGT definitely likes to come back down to the 50dma. It's done it 4 times since Nov. Maybe I'll hold off on the calls and hope that 56 acts as support so I don't have to sell my shares. At 03:42 PM 5/30/01 -0700, you wrote: >You might want to look at a weekly chart if IGT. It tailed off hard last >week. The previous 2 times it did this it had a 2 bar correction on the >weekly. > >DSquires > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "DougC" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:42 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > > Still 15 minutes till the market closes so I hope I'm not speaking too > > soon but IGT does look like it's holding up pretty good today also. > > IGT is my biggest holding right now even after taking some partial > > profits. I agree that if the > > market is done with the pullback after today then IGT might move > > up some more. If it stays in the 60 to 65 range over the next few > > weeks that'll be fine with me. If it starts to come down more > > I won't totally bail until it gets below 56. > > Given the current uncertain market conditions (could be the end > > of a bear market rally??) I'm not going to add anymore. Had some > > Jul 55 and 60 calls to give my returns a little extra kick. Cashed > > them out on the way down from the peak. Might get back into the > > Jul60calls and also some Jul65 if some strong buying in IGT > > starts again this week. > > > > At 10:02 PM 5/29/01 -0600, you wrote: > > >Looks like it closed down 19 cents. On a day where the nasdsaq > > >lost 3.4%, I think IGT is showing some strength. If anything, if the > > >market gets back on its feet again, might be good to add to any > > >position in IGT. > > > > > >On 29 May 01, at 10:52, Dave Cameron wrote: > > > > > > > Doug or anyone: > > > > > > > > As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like the > > > > general market so far today. At what price point do you consider > > > > that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's action > > > > continued) would you bail? > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > Dave Cameron > > > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 31 May 2001 06:52:47 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C0E99E.4D5207A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, Attached is a weekly chart of what I am talking about. Also, I have pointed out some tails that lead to no correction. I hope that is the case here but last weeks candle has a very long tail and small real body, which makes it fairly strong. For now the daily is still acting good and I see support at 57ish with the stock still holding a constructive base pattern. In other words, I see 57ish as the pivot retest. Dave ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:25 PM > David > > I see the tail ending 3/09. Is the other one you're speaking of ending > 12/15?. You could be right that there is a likely hood of a sharp turn > down. Looking at the chart back to Nov IGT definitely likes to come > back down to the 50dma. It's done it 4 times since Nov. Maybe I'll > hold off on the calls and hope that 56 acts as support so I don't > have to sell my shares. > > > > At 03:42 PM 5/30/01 -0700, you wrote: > >You might want to look at a weekly chart if IGT. It tailed off hard last > >week. The previous 2 times it did this it had a 2 bar correction on the > >weekly. > > > >DSquires > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "DougC" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:42 PM > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > > > > > Still 15 minutes till the market closes so I hope I'm not speaking too > > > soon but IGT does look like it's holding up pretty good today also. > > > IGT is my biggest holding right now even after taking some partial > > > profits. 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If anything, if the > > > >market gets back on its feet again, might be good to add to any > > > >position in IGT. > > > > > > > >On 29 May 01, at 10:52, Dave Cameron wrote: > > > > > > > > > Doug or anyone: > > > > > > > > > > As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like the > > > > > general market so far today. At what price point do you consider > > > > > that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's action > > > > > continued) would you bail? > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > Dave Cameron > > > > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich Weinhold" Subject: [CANSLIM] HTLM Date: 31 May 2001 08:20:52 -0500 Chris thanks, will do, did not know, just wanted to test Rich - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich Weinhold" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 31 May 2001 08:23:38 -0500 Dave, where are you getting your charts from? Rich ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:52 AM Doug, Attached is a weekly chart of what I am talking about. Also, I have pointed out some tails that lead to no correction. I hope that is the case here but last weeks candle has a very long tail and small real body, which makes it fairly strong. For now the daily is still acting good and I see support at 57ish with the stock still holding a constructive base pattern. In other words, I see 57ish as the pivot retest. Dave ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:25 PM > David > > I see the tail ending 3/09. Is the other one you're speaking of ending > 12/15?. You could be right that there is a likely hood of a sharp turn > down. Looking at the chart back to Nov IGT definitely likes to come > back down to the 50dma. It's done it 4 times since Nov. Maybe I'll > hold off on the calls and hope that 56 acts as support so I don't > have to sell my shares. > > > > At 03:42 PM 5/30/01 -0700, you wrote: > >You might want to look at a weekly chart if IGT. It tailed off hard last > >week. The previous 2 times it did this it had a 2 bar correction on the > >weekly. > > > >DSquires > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "DougC" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:42 PM > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > > > > > Still 15 minutes till the market closes so I hope I'm not speaking too > > > soon but IGT does look like it's holding up pretty good today also. > > > IGT is my biggest holding right now even after taking some partial > > > profits. I agree that if the > > > market is done with the pullback after today then IGT might move > > > up some more. If it stays in the 60 to 65 range over the next few > > > weeks that'll be fine with me. If it starts to come down more > > > I won't totally bail until it gets below 56. > > > Given the current uncertain market conditions (could be the end > > > of a bear market rally??) I'm not going to add anymore. Had some > > > Jul 55 and 60 calls to give my returns a little extra kick. Cashed > > > them out on the way down from the peak. Might get back into the > > > Jul60calls and also some Jul65 if some strong buying in IGT > > > starts again this week. > > > > > > At 10:02 PM 5/29/01 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Looks like it closed down 19 cents. On a day where the nasdsaq > > > >lost 3.4%, I think IGT is showing some strength. If anything, if the > > > >market gets back on its feet again, might be good to add to any > > > >position in IGT. > > > > > > > >On 29 May 01, at 10:52, Dave Cameron wrote: > > > > > > > > > Doug or anyone: > > > > > > > > > > As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like the > > > > > general market so far today. At what price point do you consider > > > > > that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's action > > > > > continued) would you bail? > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > Dave Cameron > > > > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 31 May 2001 08:59:05 -0700 Quote.com Dave ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:23 AM > Dave, > where are you getting your charts from? > Rich > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Squires" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:52 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > Doug, > > Attached is a weekly chart of what I am talking about. > > Also, I have pointed out some tails that lead to no correction. I hope that > is the case here but last weeks candle has a very long tail and small real > body, which makes it fairly strong. For now the daily is still acting good > and I see support at 57ish with the stock still holding a constructive base > pattern. In other words, I see 57ish as the pivot retest. > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DougC" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > David > > > > I see the tail ending 3/09. Is the other one you're speaking of ending > > 12/15?. You could be right that there is a likely hood of a sharp turn > > down. Looking at the chart back to Nov IGT definitely likes to come > > back down to the 50dma. It's done it 4 times since Nov. Maybe I'll > > hold off on the calls and hope that 56 acts as support so I don't > > have to sell my shares. > > > > > > > > At 03:42 PM 5/30/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >You might want to look at a weekly chart if IGT. It tailed off hard last > > >week. The previous 2 times it did this it had a 2 bar correction on the > > >weekly. > > > > > >DSquires > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "DougC" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:42 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > > > > > > > > Still 15 minutes till the market closes so I hope I'm not speaking too > > > > soon but IGT does look like it's holding up pretty good today also. > > > > IGT is my biggest holding right now even after taking some partial > > > > profits. I agree that if the > > > > market is done with the pullback after today then IGT might move > > > > up some more. If it stays in the 60 to 65 range over the next few > > > > weeks that'll be fine with me. If it starts to come down more > > > > I won't totally bail until it gets below 56. > > > > Given the current uncertain market conditions (could be the end > > > > of a bear market rally??) I'm not going to add anymore. Had some > > > > Jul 55 and 60 calls to give my returns a little extra kick. Cashed > > > > them out on the way down from the peak. Might get back into the > > > > Jul60calls and also some Jul65 if some strong buying in IGT > > > > starts again this week. > > > > > > > > At 10:02 PM 5/29/01 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >Looks like it closed down 19 cents. On a day where the nasdsaq > > > > >lost 3.4%, I think IGT is showing some strength. If anything, if the > > > > >market gets back on its feet again, might be good to add to any > > > > >position in IGT. > > > > > > > > > >On 29 May 01, at 10:52, Dave Cameron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Doug or anyone: > > > > > > > > > > > > As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like > the > > > > > > general market so far today. At what price point do you consider > > > > > > that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's > action > > > > > > continued) would you bail? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > Dave Cameron > > > > > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ralli Katsikas" Subject: [CANSLIM] Right side of base Date: 31 May 2001 10:02:08 -0500 Could someone help me understand this? I thought I had a descent understaning but WON's answer in IBD's "ask Bill O'Neil" today got me a bit confused. The question was about the right side of a 12 week base and the part of his answer that confuses me is this : "You start counting the length of a base on the first week the stock closes down from the prior week." As I would see a cup w/handle there could be several down weeks within the cup looking at the weekly charts. Ralli - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Doug Shannon" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Right side of base Date: 31 May 2001 11:22:01 -0400 When looking at a weekly chart and you first see a downturn (i.e. the start of the left (declining) side of a base), you look for the 1st week in which prices closed down in relation to the prior week. This is where you start your count. Count all the weeks within the base all the way to the week prior the breakout. That is how WON calculates the length of bases. Doug -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ralli Katsikas Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:02 AM Could someone help me understand this? I thought I had a descent understaning but WON's answer in IBD's "ask Bill O'Neil" today got me a bit confused. The question was about the right side of a 12 week base and the part of his answer that confuses me is this : "You start counting the length of a base on the first week the stock closes down from the prior week." As I would see a cup w/handle there could be several down weeks within the cup looking at the weekly charts. Ralli - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 31 May 2001 09:41:54 -0600 David Thanks for taking the time to annotate and send the chart. Very interesting. When I saw your first message I thought you were referring to a bar graph. I'm not familiar with candlesticks. Does the body of the weekly candlestick take into account volume? I think volume is key here. It looks like the strength of the move up week ending 05/18 is what will keep the stock above 57. Then it may be a couple weeks for the 50dma to catch up. At 06:52 AM 5/31/01 -0500, you wrote: >Doug, > >Attached is a weekly chart of what I am talking about. > >Also, I have pointed out some tails that lead to no correction. I hope that >is the case here but last weeks candle has a very long tail and small real >body, which makes it fairly strong. For now the daily is still acting good >and I see support at 57ish with the stock still holding a constructive base >pattern. In other words, I see 57ish as the pivot retest. > >Dave > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "DougC" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:25 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > David > > > > I see the tail ending 3/09. Is the other one you're speaking of ending > > 12/15?. You could be right that there is a likely hood of a sharp turn > > down. Looking at the chart back to Nov IGT definitely likes to come > > back down to the 50dma. It's done it 4 times since Nov. Maybe I'll > > hold off on the calls and hope that 56 acts as support so I don't > > have to sell my shares. > > > > > > > > At 03:42 PM 5/30/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >You might want to look at a weekly chart if IGT. It tailed off hard last > > >week. The previous 2 times it did this it had a 2 bar correction on the > > >weekly. > > > > > >DSquires > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "DougC" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:42 PM > > >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT > > > > > > > > > > Still 15 minutes till the market closes so I hope I'm not speaking too > > > > soon but IGT does look like it's holding up pretty good today also. > > > > IGT is my biggest holding right now even after taking some partial > > > > profits. I agree that if the > > > > market is done with the pullback after today then IGT might move > > > > up some more. If it stays in the 60 to 65 range over the next few > > > > weeks that'll be fine with me. If it starts to come down more > > > > I won't totally bail until it gets below 56. > > > > Given the current uncertain market conditions (could be the end > > > > of a bear market rally??) I'm not going to add anymore. Had some > > > > Jul 55 and 60 calls to give my returns a little extra kick. Cashed > > > > them out on the way down from the peak. Might get back into the > > > > Jul60calls and also some Jul65 if some strong buying in IGT > > > > starts again this week. > > > > > > > > At 10:02 PM 5/29/01 -0600, you wrote: > > > > >Looks like it closed down 19 cents. On a day where the nasdsaq > > > > >lost 3.4%, I think IGT is showing some strength. If anything, if the > > > > >market gets back on its feet again, might be good to add to any > > > > >position in IGT. > > > > > > > > > >On 29 May 01, at 10:52, Dave Cameron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Doug or anyone: > > > > > > > > > > > > As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like >the > > > > > > general market so far today. At what price point do you consider > > > > > > that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's >action > > > > > > continued) would you bail? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > Dave Cameron > > > > > > dfcameron@yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: [CANSLIM] New Member ---- lrrogers498@earthlink.net Date: 31 May 2001 10:49:31 -0700 (PDT) lrrogers498@earthlink.net I recently met the above gentleman at a Canslim Seminar and suggested that he join this group. He has tried several times to enroll in this group but claims that all he gets back is a message that says. 'End of command'and nothing more in his mailbox. Any suggestions to him, address above, would be appreciated. I cannot figure out what he is doing wrong. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Squires" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IGT Date: 31 May 2001 13:05:42 -0500 Doug, Candles don't account for volume. I agree with your volume analysis and as long as the 57 the breakout holds the base is health. I mentioned the weekly chart because it can exert force on the daily with a tail like that. I mainly mentioned it because I had said the stock was doing everything right a few times now and wanted to clarify my statements. Dave ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:41 AM > David > > Thanks for taking the time to annotate and send the chart. > Very interesting. When I saw your first message I thought > you were referring to a bar graph. I'm not familiar with > candlesticks. Does the body of the weekly candlestick take > into account volume? I think volume is key here. It looks like > the strength of the move up week ending 05/18 is what will > keep the stock above 57. Then it may be a couple weeks for > the 50dma to catch up. > > > > At 06:52 AM 5/31/01 -0500, you wrote: > >Doug, > > > >Attached is a weekly chart of what I am talking about. > > > >Also, I have pointed out some tails that lead to no correction. I hope that > >is the case here but last weeks candle has a very long tail and small real > >body, which makes it fairly strong. For now the daily is still acting good > >and I see support at 57ish with the stock still holding a constructive base > >pattern. In other words, I see 57ish as the pivot retest. > > > >Dave > > > > > > > David > > > > > > I see the tail ending 3/09. Is the other one you're speaking of ending > > > 12/15?. You could be right that there is a likely hood of a sharp turn > > > down. Looking at the chart back to Nov IGT definitely likes to come > > > back down to the 50dma. It's done it 4 times since Nov. Maybe I'll > > > hold off on the calls and hope that 56 acts as support so I don't > > > have to sell my shares. > > > > > > > > > > > > At 03:42 PM 5/30/01 -0700, you wrote: > > > >You might want to look at a weekly chart if IGT. It tailed off hard last > > > >week. The previous 2 times it did this it had a 2 bar correction on the > > > >weekly. > > > > > > > >DSquires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Still 15 minutes till the market closes so I hope I'm not speaking too > > > > > soon but IGT does look like it's holding up pretty good today also. > > > > > IGT is my biggest holding right now even after taking some partial > > > > > profits. I agree that if the > > > > > market is done with the pullback after today then IGT might move > > > > > up some more. If it stays in the 60 to 65 range over the next few > > > > > weeks that'll be fine with me. If it starts to come down more > > > > > I won't totally bail until it gets below 56. > > > > > Given the current uncertain market conditions (could be the end > > > > > of a bear market rally??) I'm not going to add anymore. Had some > > > > > Jul 55 and 60 calls to give my returns a little extra kick. Cashed > > > > > them out on the way down from the peak. Might get back into the > > > > > Jul60calls and also some Jul65 if some strong buying in IGT > > > > > starts again this week. > > > > > > > > > > At 10:02 PM 5/29/01 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >Looks like it closed down 19 cents. On a day where the nasdsaq > > > > > >lost 3.4%, I think IGT is showing some strength. If anything, if the > > > > > >market gets back on its feet again, might be good to add to any > > > > > >position in IGT. > > > > > > > > > > > >On 29 May 01, at 10:52, Dave Cameron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug or anyone: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a follow-up to our discussion on IGT, I see its behaving like > >the > > > > > > > general market so far today. At what price point do you consider > > > > > > > that IGT broke out of its handle? At what point (if today's > >action > > > > > > > continued) would you bail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 17 May 2001 18:09:23 -0400 On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for example, "-7% off 52-week high". To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the percentage off the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all agree? (It's like a double negative.) If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high". Does it ever NOT have a minus sign? 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To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the percentage off the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all agree? (It's like a double negative.) If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high". Does it ever NOT have a minus sign? Ann - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff Salisbury Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New Member ---- lrrogers498@earthlink.net Date: 31 May 2001 13:18:33 -0600 Hi Steve, I just subscribed him... Jeff - canslim admin/owner Steve F wrote: > > lrrogers498@earthlink.net > > I recently met the above gentleman at a Canslim > Seminar and suggested that he join this group. He has > tried several times to enroll in this group but claims > that all he gets back is a message that says. 'End of > command'and nothing more in his mailbox. > > Any suggestions to him, address above, would be > appreciated. I cannot figure out what he is doing > wrong. > > Steve > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 28 Jun 2001 13:43:08 -0700 While we're on that topic, there's something else that bugs me............how can a stock be "3"% above its 52 week high? Obviously that is impossible........If a stock hit a 52 week high yesterday and was up 2 above that today, it's not above its 52 wk high, it has redefined the high.........right? Does anyone use the leaders screen on canslim.net, where you can screen for a certain percent below 52 wk high, or a certain percent below or above a 52 week high? Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "DiFabio, Nancy" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 31 May 2001 13:50:32 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0EA13.556CC4E6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RIGHT! -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:43 PM While we're on that topic, there's something else that bugs me............how can a stock be "3"% above its 52 week high? Obviously that is impossible........If a stock hit a 52 week high yesterday and was up 2 above that today, it's not above its 52 wk high, it has redefined the high.........right? Does anyone use the leaders screen on canslim.net, where you can screen for a certain percent below 52 wk high, or a certain percent below or above a 52 week high? Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "WorldSecure " made the following annotations on 05/31/01 13:49:34 PLEASE NOTE: This message, including any attachments, may include privileged, confidential and/or inside information. Any distribution or use of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Thank you. ============================================================================== ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0EA13.556CC4E6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high"

RIGHT!

-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Stanfield [mailto:mpstan@home.com]
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:43 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high"


While we're on that topic, there's something else that bugs
me............how can a stock be "3"% above its 52 week high?  Obviously
that is impossible........If a stock hit a 52 week high yesterday and was up
2 above that today, it's not above its 52 wk high, it has redefined the
high.........right?

Does anyone use the leaders screen on canslim.net, where you can screen for
a certain percent below 52 wk high, or a certain percent below or above a 52
week high?

Perry




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If it bothers you enough, I would suggest complaining to DGO or IBD (depending on which site you are using). Maybe they can change it in a future version. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:09 PM On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for example, "-7% off 52-week high". To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the percentage off the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all agree? (It's like a double negative.) If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high". Does it ever NOT have a minus sign? Ann - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SJT Date: 31 May 2001 19:08:05 -0400 Declining since 5/15. Don't know what yesterday's action may ultimately mean, but to me it was the proverbial "shot across the bow". I would not consider it for possible entry at all right now, and just be glad I don't own it and have to make a decision. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:56 PM Was that a blow off bottom yesterday on SJT? Buying opportunity? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ceft Date: 31 May 2001 19:05:04 -0400 Strong performance since announcing a secondary offering, would prefer to wait until that is completed. Only showing a one week base at present. Funds already own 39%. Other than that, looks fine. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:44 PM Anybody have an opinion on CEFT ( Concord EFS inc.) 98 EPS 89 RS B A B 3 year EPS 43% 3 year sales 52% Looks like it started a base in March and is maybe trying to form a handle now - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 31 May 2001 19:19:29 -0400 I sent this to the group some time ago--a week or two? I thought people responded to it then. What's it doing here now? Confused again, Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:09 PM > On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for example, "-7% off > 52-week high". > > To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the percentage off > the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all agree? (It's > like a double negative.) > > If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high". > > Does it ever NOT have a minus sign? > > Ann > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hotmail-Canslim" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 31 May 2001 19:58:01 -0400 Is it Ann or Anne, I get confused given the name is most likely descended from the English name 'Anne' I was not an English major (though I wish I had been) Just joking, SL ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:41 PM > I believe that it is referring to the "52-week high" as a point. Sort of > like a point on a time line. As it refers to "-7%" you would move to the > left of the "52-week high" point. If it said "7%", one would look to the > right of the "52-week high" point. It play more to the math than the > English. I often get confused myself. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ann Hollingworth [mailto:annholly@mediaone.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:09 PM > To: CANSLIM Listserv > Subject: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" > > > On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for example, "-7% off > 52-week high". > > To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the percentage off > the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all agree? (It's > like a double negative.) > > If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high". > > Does it ever NOT have a minus sign? > > Ann > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > **************************************************************************** ********************** > The Firelan(tm) Virus Scanning Service has scanned this email for viruses, vandals > and malicious content. > http://www.firelan.net > **************************************************************************** ********************** > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hotmail-Canslim" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SJT Date: 31 May 2001 19:59:44 -0400 Do you really want to buy that chart??? SL ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:56 PM > Was that a blow off bottom yesterday on SJT? > > Buying opportunity? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hotmail-Canslim" Subject: [CANSLIM] FITB Date: 31 May 2001 20:06:29 -0400 To All, On a more serious note, what do people think of FITB, possibly forming a handle? Merger is complete so should not be an influence. Thanks, good to be back SL - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: zoe21@icons.cx Subject: Low Interest Loans From Competing Lenders! Date: 31 May 2001 00:49:12 -0500 Shopping For Your Loan Just Got Easier! Tap into Our Huge Network Of Lenders. We Provide a 100% FREE Service! Click Here for "ALL" Details http://members.tripod.de/shout01/mort30.html ============================================ REMOVAL INSTRUCTIONS: Click Here mailto:zipout67@uole.com?subject=Delete-Mort ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: [CANSLIM] off topic humor? Date: 31 May 2001 20:48:17 -0400 It's Ann, I think...As I get older, my spelling and grammar sense are foundering, or is it floundering? A lot of good it did me to be an English major. Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:58 PM > Is it Ann or Anne, I get confused given the name is most likely descended > from the English name 'Anne' > > I was not an English major (though I wish I had been) > > > Just joking, > SL > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Sparrow" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:41 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" > > > > I believe that it is referring to the "52-week high" as a point. Sort of > > like a point on a time line. As it refers to "-7%" you would move to the > > left of the "52-week high" point. If it said "7%", one would look to the > > right of the "52-week high" point. It play more to the math than the > > English. I often get confused myself. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ann Hollingworth [mailto:annholly@mediaone.net] > > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 6:09 PM > > To: CANSLIM Listserv > > Subject: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" > > > > > > On the investors.com charts, it says above the chart, for example, "-7% > off > > 52-week high". > > > > To me, an English major, putting a negative sign before the percentage off > > the high implies that it is actually above the high. Do you all agree? > (It's > > like a double negative.) > > > > If it is 7% below the high, it should say "7% off 52-week high". > > > > Does it ever NOT have a minus sign? > > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Hollingworth" Subject: [CANSLIM] off topic - spam Date: 31 May 2001 20:50:43 -0400 Is anyone else getting a lot more spam all of a sudden? Ann Excuse the off-topic messages. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FITB Date: 31 May 2001 22:01:50 -0400 RS of 74 combined with GRS of 33 makes it unattractive to me. All four of the most recent qtrs had less than a 20% earnings growth. Cash flow less than earnings. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 8:06 PM To All, On a more serious note, what do people think of FITB, possibly forming a handle? Merger is complete so should not be an influence. Thanks, good to be back SL - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] taro Date: 31 May 2001 22:07:48 EDT --part1_d0.16803311.284852f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it too late for taro? --part1_d0.16803311.284852f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it too late for taro? --part1_d0.16803311.284852f4_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] off topic - spam Date: 31 May 2001 21:17:36 -0500 Yes, Ann, I am getting more than usual. I don't recall signing up at any new places recently. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:50 PM > Is anyone else getting a lot more spam all of a sudden? > Ann > Excuse the off-topic messages. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] taro Date: 31 May 2001 22:20:55 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C0EA1F.F5E6C000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BIKEAR@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] taro Is it too late for taro?=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C0EA1F.F5E6C000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes
 
Tom Worley
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AIM:=20 TexWorley
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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 = 10:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = taro

Is it too = late for=20 taro? ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C0EA1F.F5E6C000-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 31 May 2001 19:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Perhaps it is 3% above yesterday's high? Kent Norman --- Perry Stanfield wrote: > While we're on that topic, there's something else > that bugs > me............how can a stock be "3"% above its 52 > week high? Obviously > that is impossible........If a stock hit a 52 week > high yesterday and was up > 2 above that today, it's not above its 52 wk high, > it has redefined the > high.........right? > > Does anyone use the leaders screen on canslim.net, > where you can screen for > a certain percent below 52 wk high, or a certain > percent below or above a 52 > week high? > > Perry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "off 52-week high" Date: 28 May 2001 20:43:33 -0700 Yah, I'm sure that's what it is..............but it ain't a 52 wk high anymore....................semantics........ Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:35 PM > Perhaps it is 3% above yesterday's high? > > Kent Norman > > --- Perry Stanfield wrote: > > While we're on that topic, there's something else > > that bugs > > me............how can a stock be "3"% above its 52 > > week high? Obviously > > that is impossible........If a stock hit a 52 week > > high yesterday and was up > > 2 above that today, it's not above its 52 wk high, > > it has redefined the > > high.........right? > > > > Does anyone use the leaders screen on canslim.net, > > where you can screen for > > a certain percent below 52 wk high, or a certain > > percent below or above a 52 > > week high? > > > > Perry > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Surindra" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] taro Date: 31 May 2001 23:49:45 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0EA2C.5EE06A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course, Yes, too much extended. Now if it hits 200 in 6 months, you may not be late at all, on the other hand, if it dips to 30's, it is too late. I bought in April for around 51, sold it around 45 within one week. graph Graph looks great. Regards Surindra -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:21 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] taro yes Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- From: BIKEAR@aol.com To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] taro Is it too late for taro? ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0EA2C.5EE06A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Of course, Yes, too = much=20 extended.
 
Now if it hits 200 = in 6 months,=20 you may not be late at all, on the other hand, if it dips to 30's, it is = too=20 late. I bought in April for around 51, sold it around 45 within one = week.=20 graph Graph looks great. 
 
Regards
 
Surindra 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 10:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 taro

yes
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 BIKEAR@aol.com=20
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 = 10:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = taro

Is it too = late for=20 taro?
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