From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 01 Oct 2001 19:26:33 -0700 I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 would have been a good entry point but got busy and never did the trade, possibly I should wait to see if it gets to about 17.50. It is above the 50 DMA which looks like the resistance to me and the volume was good. Any thoughts on this one. Thanks Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 01 Oct 2001 19:13:39 -0500 Hi Charles, Looks like there could be significant resistance at around 17 (June and August) and some more above that. Though it looks tempting with the recent action, in this market I would rather wait for it to breach the May highs. I would even like to see a very well formed handle. Even then it has a ragged base. Can't be too careful these days. Someone else can speak to the fundies better than I. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:26 PM > > I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 would have been a good > entry point but got busy and never did the trade, possibly I should wait to > see if it gets to about 17.50. It is above the 50 DMA which looks like the > resistance to me and the volume was good. Any thoughts on this one. > Thanks > Charlie > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 01 Oct 2001 20:21:28 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C14AB6.A6ADDD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Charlie, Without considering today's closing price, if you were to draw a line = along the highs and lows going back to July 5, you see a clear = downtrend. Today's close appears to just crack the highs line, but one = day doesn't make a trend. On a positive note, I see strong earnings forecast for this year (up = 56%) and next (up another 31%), strong ROE (37%), positive cash flow = (nearly double), and consistent top and bottom line growth both solidly = in the 20%+ range. Balanced against this is the current trailing PE of = 35, but the projected PE drops to 31, and the projected PE for 2002 = drops further to 24. That's not much of a premium for such strong = growth. I also note they took advantage of the ease in SEC rules to announce a = buyback of 9.6% of the issue (equals about 15% of the float). That will = help sustain the earnings growth. I agree that the 50 DMA at 16 looks like resistance (now support), but = would want to see it break decisively over 17.20 (the most recent high) = on volume. I am not sure I would wait for it to break the prior highs at = 18.91 and 19.75. Good luck, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 would have been a = good entry point but got busy and never did the trade, possibly I should = wait to see if it gets to about 17.50. It is above the 50 DMA which looks like = the resistance to me and the volume was good. Any thoughts on this one. Thanks Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C14AB6.A6ADDD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Charlie,
 
Without considering today's closing price, if you = were to draw=20 a line along the highs and lows going back to July 5, you see a clear=20 downtrend.  Today's close appears to just crack the highs line, but = one day=20 doesn't make a trend.
 
On a positive note, I see strong earnings forecast = for this=20 year (up 56%) and next (up another 31%), strong ROE (37%), positive cash = flow=20 (nearly double), and consistent top and bottom line growth both solidly = in the=20 20%+ range. Balanced against this is the current trailing PE of 35, but = the=20 projected PE drops to 31, and the projected PE for 2002 drops further to = 24.=20 That's not much of a premium for such strong growth.
 
I also note they took advantage of the ease in SEC = rules to=20 announce a buyback of 9.6% of the issue (equals about 15% of the float). = That=20 will help sustain the earnings growth.
 
I agree that the 50 DMA at 16 looks like resistance = (now=20 support), but would want to see it break decisively over 17.20 (the most = recent=20 high) on volume. I am not sure I would wait for it to break the prior = highs at=20 18.91 and 19.75.
 
Good luck,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 = 10:26=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH


I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 = would=20 have been a good
entry point but got busy and never did the trade, = possibly=20 I should wait to
see if it gets to about 17.50. It is above the 50 = DMA=20 which looks like the
resistance to me and the volume was good. Any = thoughts=20 on this one.
Thanks
Charlie


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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C14AB6.A6ADDD00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 01 Oct 2001 20:53:51 -0600 Chart is generally constructive, with a sideways basing period from May to now. Ideally, I think you would like to see it get back near 20 and form a handle type thing, at least pause up at its old highs, and then look for a breakout. On 1 Oct 01, at 19:26, Charles Cangialosi wrote: > > I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 would have been a good > entry point but got busy and never did the trade, possibly I should wait to > see if it gets to about 17.50. It is above the 50 DMA which looks like the > resistance to me and the volume was good. Any thoughts on this one. > Thanks > Charlie > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 01 Oct 2001 21:45:59 -0600 Ignoring the very questionable "M" at this point, I don't see any CANSLIM entry on this one. You want to buy somewhere at least 1/2 up the cup, which would be somewhere in the 17-18 range, but you want a handle to form to give you the buy price. Buying this one here is just a bet that it will succeed, and according to WON, a handle or new high gives better odds of success with CANSLIM stocks. At 07:26 PM 10/1/01 -0700, you wrote: > > I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 would have been a good >entry point but got busy and never did the trade, possibly I should wait to >see if it gets to about 17.50. It is above the 50 DMA which looks like the >resistance to me and the volume was good. Any thoughts on this one. >Thanks >Charlie > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] upsh Date: 02 Oct 2001 03:39:44 -0700 Thanks for the replies. I will probably hold off for a while. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-canslim@xmission.com (Jeff Salisbury) Subject: [CANSLIM] Sending large or non-text files to the canslim group Date: 02 Oct 2001 08:00:01 -0600 Everyone, There are times when you may wish to share large or non-text files with our group (i.e. gif, jpeg, spreadsheets, etc). Our list is configured to reject all files over 80K. You can attach files under this threshold to your email posting. While files under this 80K threshold are delivered by the canslim list software, receiving mail servers often reject files over 40K. This means that while your file was delivered by the canslim mail server, many users will not have received it because their mail server rejected it... 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This will open a file selection widget on your hard-drive. Select the file you wish to upload and hit the "Ok" button. At this point, your file will be uploaded. 3. Eventhough your file has been uploaded, you will not be able to see the file in your netscape browser. The reason for this is that the "incoming" directory is set to write-only for security reasons. Internet Explorer FTP Instructions: 1. Using "Internet Explorer", go to the URL: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/users/m/mcjathan/incoming/ 2. Open "Windows Explorer" to browse your local hard-drive. Find the file you want to send. Select the file by clicking once. The right-click and "copy" the file. 3. Go back to the Internet Explorer window. Right-click and "paste" the file. It will be uploaded to the canslim ftp site. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: [CANSLIM] Quiet Times? Date: 02 Oct 2001 16:42:40 -0600 I find it interesting that the overall number of messages has plummeted now that we have had a valid follow-through day!!?? Personally, I did a full update and watch list this weekend, but I'm still 100% cash. I am watching closely, but I would like to see a few good stocks get away before I'm convinced we are really moving back up for any significant period of time. Interesting graphic with today's Investor Corner. The article talks about how you need to watch closely for market direction to properly time your investments. Then it goes on to compare Oct 99 and Jan 01 markets, both which had valid follow-through days. It seems they are trying to say you should have known to be in during Oct and out during Jan, but I don't see anything other than hindsight that indicates that! Am I missing something here? They don't say anything bad about the Jan 01 rally except that 2 distribution days sparked the slide from the short rally. There appears to be 2 similar days during the Oct rally that were simply "pit stops" to use their term. I'm not getting this one. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Deiter Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Quiet Times? Date: 02 Oct 2001 18:49:58 -0700 (PDT) I think the key lies in the daily volume for the "pit stop" days in Nov 99 and the "distribution days" for Jan 01. Although I have difficulty in comparing the daily market result to the daily volume due to the small size of the charts, the pit stops in today's Investor's Corner for Nov 99 appear to have lower volume than the previous day while the distribution days in Jan 01 appear to have higher volume than the previous day. In the Essential Lessons column from Friday's paper WON states that "Four days of distribution, if correctly spotted over a two- or three- week period, are often enough to turn a previously advancing market into a decline." The question I have is that today's column seems to indicate you should be out after two distribution days. Marc --- esetser wrote: > I find it interesting that the overall number of messages has > plummeted now > that we have had a valid follow-through day!!?? Personally, I did > a full > update and watch list this weekend, but I'm still 100% cash. I am > watching > closely, but I would like to see a few good stocks get away before > I'm > convinced we are really moving back up for any significant period > of time. > > Interesting graphic with today's Investor Corner. The article > talks about > how you need to watch closely for market direction to properly time > your > investments. Then it goes on to compare Oct 99 and Jan 01 > markets, both > which had valid follow-through days. It seems they are trying to > say you > should have known to be in during Oct and out during Jan, but I > don't see > anything other than hindsight that indicates that! > > Am I missing something here? They don't say anything bad about the > Jan 01 > rally except that 2 distribution days sparked the slide from the > short > rally. There appears to be 2 similar days during the Oct rally > that were > simply "pit stops" to use their term. I'm not getting this one. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Quiet Times? Date: 02 Oct 2001 22:49:28 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C14B94.7E0FEB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not quiet for me, my IRA is fully invested and up 8.7% in past three = days. My VR fund is 90% invested, even with some profits I took and dogs = I sent to the kennel, and up 9.4% in past three days. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: esetser=20 To: canslim@xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Quiet Times? I find it interesting that the overall number of messages has = plummeted now that we have had a valid follow-through day!!?? Personally, I did a = full update and watch list this weekend, but I'm still 100% cash. I am = watching closely, but I would like to see a few good stocks get away before I'm convinced we are really moving back up for any significant period of = time. Interesting graphic with today's Investor Corner. The article talks = about how you need to watch closely for market direction to properly time = your investments. Then it goes on to compare Oct 99 and Jan 01 markets, = both which had valid follow-through days. It seems they are trying to say = you should have known to be in during Oct and out during Jan, but I don't = see anything other than hindsight that indicates that! =20 Am I missing something here? They don't say anything bad about the = Jan 01 rally except that 2 distribution days sparked the slide from the short rally. There appears to be 2 similar days during the Oct rally that = were simply "pit stops" to use their term. I'm not getting this one. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C14B94.7E0FEB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not quiet for me, my IRA is fully invested and up = 8.7% in past=20 three days. My VR fund is 90% invested, even with some profits I took = and dogs I=20 sent to the kennel, and up 9.4% in past three days.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 esetser
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 = 6:42=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Quiet = Times?

I find it interesting that the overall number of = messages has=20 plummeted now
that we have had a valid follow-through = day!!??  =20 Personally, I did a full
update and watch list this weekend, but = I'm still=20 100% cash.  I am watching
closely, but I would like to see a = few good=20 stocks get away before I'm
convinced we are really moving back up = for any=20 significant period of time.

Interesting graphic with today's = Investor=20 Corner.  The article talks about
how you need to watch closely = for=20 market direction to properly time = your
investments.    Then=20 it goes on to compare Oct 99 and Jan 01 markets, both
which had = valid=20 follow-through days.  It seems they are trying to say = you
should have=20 known to be in during Oct and out during Jan, but I don't = see
anything=20 other than hindsight that indicates that! 

Am I missing = something=20 here?  They don't say anything bad about the Jan 01
rally = except that=20 2 distribution days sparked the slide from the short
rally.  = There=20 appears to be 2 similar days during the Oct rally that were
simply = "pit=20 stops" to use their term.  I'm not getting this = one.

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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C14B94.7E0FEB20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Quiet Times? Date: 02 Oct 2001 21:10:14 -0600 Well, I don't think they would be ready to change the rules for a real bull market, but maybe we should be more sensitive to Distribution Days in the early days of a rally, since they have repeatedly noted that only one or two DDays can kill a new rally very quickly. At 06:49 PM 10/2/01 -0700, you wrote: >I think the key lies in the daily volume for the "pit stop" days in >Nov 99 and the "distribution days" for Jan 01. Although I have >difficulty in comparing the daily market result to the daily volume >due to the small size of the charts, the pit stops in today's >Investor's Corner for Nov 99 appear to have lower volume than the >previous day while the distribution days in Jan 01 appear to have >higher volume than the previous day. > >In the Essential Lessons column from Friday's paper WON states that >"Four days of distribution, if correctly spotted over a two- or >three- week period, are often enough to turn a previously advancing >market into a decline." The question I have is that today's column >seems to indicate you should be out after two distribution days. > >Marc > >--- esetser wrote: >> I find it interesting that the overall number of messages has >> plummeted now >> that we have had a valid follow-through day!!?? Personally, I did >> a full >> update and watch list this weekend, but I'm still 100% cash. I am >> watching >> closely, but I would like to see a few good stocks get away before >> I'm >> convinced we are really moving back up for any significant period >> of time. >> >> Interesting graphic with today's Investor Corner. The article >> talks about >> how you need to watch closely for market direction to properly time >> your >> investments. Then it goes on to compare Oct 99 and Jan 01 >> markets, both >> which had valid follow-through days. It seems they are trying to >> say you >> should have known to be in during Oct and out during Jan, but I >> don't see >> anything other than hindsight that indicates that! >> >> Am I missing something here? They don't say anything bad about the >> Jan 01 >> rally except that 2 distribution days sparked the slide from the >> short >> rally. There appears to be 2 similar days during the Oct rally >> that were >> simply "pit stops" to use their term. I'm not getting this one. >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. >http://phone.yahoo.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-canslim@xmission.com (Jeff Salisbury) Subject: [CANSLIM] Accessing the discussion canslim archives... Date: 03 Oct 2001 08:00:01 -0600 From time to time, CANSLIM members may wish to browse the discussion archives. This posting provides instructions on how to access the archives. Thanks to David Cameron for compiling the essentials of this message. Here are the two ways to access the archives: 1. The best way is to use your web browser. To browse the archives, point your browser to: ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/canslim/archive/ 2. (Not as convenient) via email: Send an email to majordomo@xmission.com with the following as the body of your message: "index canslim". Then send a follow up email to request an old email from either the "archive" or "latest" directory. Note that your request must be in the body of your email. For example: "get canslim latest/001" will retrieve file "001" from the "latest" directory. "get canslim archive/v01.n066" will retrieve file "v01.n066" from the "archive" dir. Best Regards, Jeff Salisbury - CANSLIM list owner/admin - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up Date: 03 Oct 2001 13:28:54 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C14C0F.594689E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 189 of 239 industries are up as of 1:30 eastern. Another good sign. Well = at least a sign. They were hit so hard, it was inevitable for a run up. = How long will it last................... DanF ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C14C0F.594689E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
189 of 239 industries are up as of 1:30 = eastern.=20 Another good sign. Well at least a sign. They were hit so hard, it was=20 inevitable for a run up. How long will it = last...................
 
DanF
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C14C0F.594689E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] Very strange market .... Date: 03 Oct 2001 12:34:41 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C14C07.C684D280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the most disconnected market day I have seen in a long time. I = keep pretty thorough lists of companies with strong earnings/business = momentum. On most days when the market is up big, I get a high = percentage of these stocks beating the major indexes. Right now, the = NASDAQ-100 is up over 9% on the day! On my lists, only RMCI, CPRT, ASW, = DFXI, SLNK, LDSH are beating/approaching a 9% gain. I know that the 'signs' tell us that we are now in a new bull, but it = sure looks more like a manic short squeeze to me right now. Does anybody = have good CANSLIM stocks that have put in long & strong bases? (RMCI and = CPRT are not bad, but are now extended.) Or is this mostly just a = 'yesteryears favourites' rally? Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Hi Charlie, Without considering today's closing price, if you were to draw a line = along the highs and lows going back to July 5, you see a clear = downtrend. Today's close appears to just crack the highs line, but one = day doesn't make a trend. On a positive note, I see strong earnings forecast for this year (up = 56%) and next (up another 31%), strong ROE (37%), positive cash flow = (nearly double), and consistent top and bottom line growth both solidly = in the 20%+ range. Balanced against this is the current trailing PE of = 35, but the projected PE drops to 31, and the projected PE for 2002 = drops further to 24. That's not much of a premium for such strong = growth. I also note they took advantage of the ease in SEC rules to announce a = buyback of 9.6% of the issue (equals about 15% of the float). That will = help sustain the earnings growth. I agree that the 50 DMA at 16 looks like resistance (now support), but = would want to see it break decisively over 17.20 (the most recent high) = on volume. I am not sure I would wait for it to break the prior highs at = 18.91 and 19.75. Good luck, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 would have been a = good entry point but got busy and never did the trade, possibly I should = wait to see if it gets to about 17.50. It is above the 50 DMA which looks = like the resistance to me and the volume was good. Any thoughts on this one. Thanks Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C14C07.C684D280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is the most disconnected market day I have seen = in a long=20 time. I keep pretty thorough lists of companies with strong=20 earnings/business momentum. On most days when the market is up big, I = get a high=20 percentage of these stocks beating the major indexes. Right now, the = NASDAQ-100=20 is up over 9% on the day! On my lists, only RMCI, CPRT, ASW, DFXI, SLNK, = LDSH=20 are beating/approaching a 9% gain.
 
I know that the 'signs' tell us that we are now in a = new bull,=20 but it sure looks more like a manic short squeeze to me right now. Does = anybody=20 have good CANSLIM stocks that have put in long & strong bases? (RMCI = and=20 CPRT are not bad, but are now extended.) Or is this mostly just a = 'yesteryears=20 favourites' rally?
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 = 5:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = USPH

Hi Charlie,
 
Without considering today's closing price, if you = were to=20 draw a line along the highs and lows going back to July 5, you see a = clear=20 downtrend.  Today's close appears to just crack the highs line, = but one=20 day doesn't make a trend.
 
On a positive note, I see strong earnings forecast = for this=20 year (up 56%) and next (up another 31%), strong ROE (37%), positive = cash flow=20 (nearly double), and consistent top and bottom line growth both = solidly in the=20 20%+ range. Balanced against this is the current trailing PE of 35, = but the=20 projected PE drops to 31, and the projected PE for 2002 drops further = to 24.=20 That's not much of a premium for such strong growth.
 
I also note they took advantage of the ease in SEC = rules to=20 announce a buyback of 9.6% of the issue (equals about 15% of the = float). That=20 will help sustain the earnings growth.
 
I agree that the 50 DMA at 16 looks like = resistance (now=20 support), but would want to see it break decisively over 17.20 (the = most=20 recent high) on volume. I am not sure I would wait for it to break the = prior=20 highs at 18.91 and 19.75.
 
Good luck,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Monday, October 01, = 2001 10:26=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH


I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 = would=20 have been a good
entry point but got busy and never did the = trade,=20 possibly I should wait to
see if it gets to about 17.50. It is = above the=20 50 DMA which looks like the
resistance to me and the volume was = good. Any=20 thoughts on this one.
Thanks
Charlie


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------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C14C07.C684D280-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Lucero" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up Date: 03 Oct 2001 12:20:13 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C14C05.C09B5F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just heard something disturbing on CNBC. They said they had heard that = small investors were not being allowed to short a number of big stocks, = GE being one of them. The guy on the exchange floor discounted it, = saying he had never heard of such a thing. It bothers me that last Thursday, I believe, they were saying "This = isn't real. It's just portfolio rebalancing." It seems like every time = it wasn't real, they jumped on the bandwagon, but this time was = different. Are they just puppets? Mike ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Forant=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up 189 of 239 industries are up as of 1:30 eastern. Another good sign. = Well at least a sign. They were hit so hard, it was inevitable for a run = up. How long will it last................... =20 DanF ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C14C05.C09B5F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just heard something disturbing on = CNBC. They=20 said they had heard that small investors were not being allowed to short = a=20 number of big stocks, GE being one of them. The guy on the exchange = floor=20 discounted it, saying he had never heard of such a thing.
 
It bothers me that last Thursday, I = believe, they=20 were saying "This isn't real. It's just portfolio rebalancing." It seems = like=20 every time it wasn't real, they jumped on the bandwagon, but this time = was=20 different. Are they just puppets?
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, = 2001 10:28=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 = Industries=20 up

189 of 239 industries are up as of = 1:30 eastern.=20 Another good sign. Well at least a sign. They were hit so hard, it was = inevitable for a run up. How long will it = last...................
 
DanF
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C14C05.C09B5F80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Very strange market .... Date: 03 Oct 2001 15:50:48 -0600 --=====================_67433391==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Ian Take a look at Trendwest Resorts. TWRI. RS 94 EPS 96 Group RS doesnt look too good at 19. And u/d is .9 currently. It's float is 24mil and ADV is only around 21K. It's got a PE of 14 and 5 yr gwth rate of 29%. It's been basing around 25 since April. But looks like it's trying to gain momentum to break above it's last intra day high of 29.84 from way back in April. At 12:34 PM 10/3/01 -0700, you wrote: >This is the most disconnected market day I have seen in a long time. I >keep pretty thorough lists of companies with strong earnings/business >momentum. On most days when the market is up big, I get a high percentage >of these stocks beating the major indexes. Right now, the NASDAQ-100 is up >over 9% on the day! On my lists, only RMCI, CPRT, ASW, DFXI, SLNK, LDSH >are beating/approaching a 9% gain. > >I know that the 'signs' tell us that we are now in a new bull, but it sure >looks more like a manic short squeeze to me right now. Does anybody have >good CANSLIM stocks that have put in long & strong bases? (RMCI and CPRT >are not bad, but are now extended.) Or is this mostly just a 'yesteryears >favourites' rally? > >Ian > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Tom Worley >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:21 PM >>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH >> >>Hi Charlie, >> >>Without considering today's closing price, if you were to draw a line >>along the highs and lows going back to July 5, you see a clear >>downtrend. Today's close appears to just crack the highs line, but one >>day doesn't make a trend. >> >>On a positive note, I see strong earnings forecast for this year (up 56%) >>and next (up another 31%), strong ROE (37%), positive cash flow (nearly >>double), and consistent top and bottom line growth both solidly in the >>20%+ range. Balanced against this is the current trailing PE of 35, but >>the projected PE drops to 31, and the projected PE for 2002 drops further >>to 24. That's not much of a premium for such strong growth. >> >>I also note they took advantage of the ease in SEC rules to announce a >>buyback of 9.6% of the issue (equals about 15% of the float). That will >>help sustain the earnings growth. >> >>I agree that the 50 DMA at 16 looks like resistance (now support), but >>would want to see it break decisively over 17.20 (the most recent high) >>on volume. I am not sure I would wait for it to break the prior highs at >>18.91 and 19.75. >> >>Good luck, >> >>Tom Worley >>stkguru@netside.net >>AIM: TexWorley >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Charles Cangialosi >>>To: Canslim >>>Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:26 PM >>>Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH >>> >>> >>>I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 would have been a good >>>entry point but got busy and never did the trade, possibly I should wait to >>>see if it gets to about 17.50. It is above the 50 DMA which looks like the >>>resistance to me and the volume was good. Any thoughts on this one. >>>Thanks >>>Charlie >>> >>> >>>- >>>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >>>"majordomo@xmission.com" >>>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. --=====================_67433391==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hello Ian

Take a look at Trendwest Resorts. TWRI. RS 94 EPS 96 Group RS doesnt look too good at 19. And u/d is .9 currently. It's float is 24mil and ADV is only around 21K. It's got a PE of 14 and 5 yr gwth rate of 29%. It's been basing around 25 since April. But looks like it's trying to gain momentum to break above it's last intra day high  of 29.84 from way back in April.



At 12:34 PM 10/3/01 -0700, you wrote:
This is the most disconnected market day I have seen in a long time. I keep pretty thorough lists of companies with strong earnings/business momentum. On most days when the market is up big, I get a high percentage of these stocks beating the major indexes. Right now, the NASDAQ-100 is up over 9% on the day! On my lists, only RMCI, CPRT, ASW, DFXI, SLNK, LDSH are beating/approaching a 9% gain.
 
I know that the 'signs' tell us that we are now in a new bull, but it sure looks more like a manic short squeeze to me right now. Does anybody have good CANSLIM stocks that have put in long & strong bases? (RMCI and CPRT are not bad, but are now extended.) Or is this mostly just a 'yesteryears favourites' rally?
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH

Hi Charlie,
 
Without considering today's closing price, if you were to draw a line along the highs and lows going back to July 5, you see a clear downtrend.  Today's close appears to just crack the highs line, but one day doesn't make a trend.
 
On a positive note, I see strong earnings forecast for this year (up 56%) and next (up another 31%), strong ROE (37%), positive cash flow (nearly double), and consistent top and bottom line growth both solidly in the 20%+ range. Balanced against this is the current trailing PE of 35, but the projected PE drops to 31, and the projected PE for 2002 drops further to 24. That's not much of a premium for such strong growth.
 
I also note they took advantage of the ease in SEC rules to announce a buyback of 9.6% of the issue (equals about 15% of the float). That will help sustain the earnings growth.
 
I agree that the 50 DMA at 16 looks like resistance (now support), but would want to see it break decisively over 17.20 (the most recent high) on volume. I am not sure I would wait for it to break the prior highs at 18.91 and 19.75.
 
Good luck,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:26 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH


I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 would have been a good
entry point but got busy and never did the trade, possibly I should wait to
see if it gets to about 17.50. It is above the 50 DMA which looks like the
resistance to me and the volume was good. Any thoughts on this one.
Thanks
Charlie


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--=====================_67433391==_.ALT-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up Date: 03 Oct 2001 20:29:02 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C14C4A.0A488420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The regulators are considering easing the rules on shorting for NYSE and = AMEX, to permit execution of a short sell without requiring an uptick. = But it would require the bid to improve, just like Naz. To me, I always = found the NYSE/AMEX uptick rule to be easier to work with than Naz's, so = I see this as making shorting more difficult. I did see one headline = story that if read in a hurry might suggest some limited prohibitions on = shorting, but the text of the story was quite different. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Lucero=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up I just heard something disturbing on CNBC. They said they had heard = that small investors were not being allowed to short a number of big = stocks, GE being one of them. The guy on the exchange floor discounted = it, saying he had never heard of such a thing. It bothers me that last Thursday, I believe, they were saying "This = isn't real. It's just portfolio rebalancing." It seems like every time = it wasn't real, they jumped on the bandwagon, but this time was = different. Are they just puppets? Mike ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Forant=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up 189 of 239 industries are up as of 1:30 eastern. Another good sign. = Well at least a sign. They were hit so hard, it was inevitable for a run = up. How long will it last................... =20 DanF ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C14C4A.0A488420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The regulators are considering easing the rules on = shorting=20 for NYSE and AMEX, to permit execution of a short sell without requiring = an=20 uptick. But it would require the bid to improve, just like Naz. To me, I = always=20 found the NYSE/AMEX uptick rule to be easier to work with than Naz's, so = I see=20 this as making shorting more difficult. I did see one headline story = that if=20 read in a hurry might suggest some limited prohibitions on shorting, but = the=20 text of the story was quite different.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike=20 Lucero
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, = 2001 3:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 189 of = 239=20 Industries up

I just heard something disturbing on = CNBC. They=20 said they had heard that small investors were not being allowed to = short a=20 number of big stocks, GE being one of them. The guy on the exchange = floor=20 discounted it, saying he had never heard of such a thing.
 
It bothers me that last Thursday, I = believe, they=20 were saying "This isn't real. It's just portfolio rebalancing." It = seems like=20 every time it wasn't real, they jumped on the bandwagon, but this time = was=20 different. Are they just puppets?
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, = 2001 10:28=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 = Industries up

189 of 239 industries are up as of = 1:30=20 eastern. Another good sign. Well at least a sign. They were hit so = hard, it=20 was inevitable for a run up. How long will it=20 last...................
 
DanF
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C14C4A.0A488420-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up Date: 03 Oct 2001 20:32:38 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C14C4A.8AE8FBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have shorted and successfully, how could you miss. They didn't care = how much money they took from me when I started in Jan 2000. Well I got = it all back and much more. As for the big companies, I don't short them. = Too unreliable, too well backed. This market has headed up too fast, = will fall some. I like the noise coming from Washington, We got a big = economic package coming along. We've been there, done that. Look's like = the special interest groups will have to wait a few years for handouts. DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Lucero=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up I just heard something disturbing on CNBC. They said they had heard = that small investors were not being allowed to short a number of big = stocks, GE being one of them. The guy on the exchange floor discounted = it, saying he had never heard of such a thing. It bothers me that last Thursday, I believe, they were saying "This = isn't real. It's just portfolio rebalancing." It seems like every time = it wasn't real, they jumped on the bandwagon, but this time was = different. Are they just puppets? Mike ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Forant=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up 189 of 239 industries are up as of 1:30 eastern. Another good sign. = Well at least a sign. They were hit so hard, it was inevitable for a run = up. How long will it last................... DanF ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C14C4A.8AE8FBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have shorted and successfully, how = could you=20 miss. They didn't care how much money they took from me when I started = in Jan=20 2000. Well I got it all back and much more. As for the big companies, I = don't=20 short them. Too unreliable, too well backed. This market has headed up = too fast,=20 will fall some. I like the noise coming from Washington, We got a big = economic=20 package coming along. We've been there, done that. Look's like the = special=20 interest groups will have to wait a few years for handouts.
 
DanF
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike=20 Lucero
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, = 2001 3:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 189 of = 239=20 Industries up

I just heard something disturbing on = CNBC. They=20 said they had heard that small investors were not being allowed to = short a=20 number of big stocks, GE being one of them. The guy on the exchange = floor=20 discounted it, saying he had never heard of such a thing.
 
It bothers me that last Thursday, I = believe, they=20 were saying "This isn't real. It's just portfolio rebalancing." It = seems like=20 every time it wasn't real, they jumped on the bandwagon, but this time = was=20 different. Are they just puppets?
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, = 2001 10:28=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 = Industries up

189 of 239 industries are up as of = 1:30=20 eastern. Another good sign. Well at least a sign. They were hit so = hard, it=20 was inevitable for a run up. How long will it=20 last...................
 
DanF
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C14C4A.8AE8FBA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Very strange market .... Date: 03 Oct 2001 20:45:47 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C14C4C.61D8ACE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian, Try these, all are thinly traded, mostly low priced, small caps, not for = the usual investor. Some are recovering, some are already way extended, = as my VR fund is now up nearly 13% in past 4 days. Today was the first = in 4 days that any major index beat my fund, that was Naz. TAYD 20.8% KRSL 17.6% ABIX 32.5% QVDX 14.8% EFTD 20% KEG 9% SVT 9.2% Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Very strange market .... This is the most disconnected market day I have seen in a long time. I = keep pretty thorough lists of companies with strong earnings/business = momentum. On most days when the market is up big, I get a high = percentage of these stocks beating the major indexes. Right now, the = NASDAQ-100 is up over 9% on the day! On my lists, only RMCI, CPRT, ASW, = DFXI, SLNK, LDSH are beating/approaching a 9% gain. I know that the 'signs' tell us that we are now in a new bull, but it = sure looks more like a manic short squeeze to me right now. Does anybody = have good CANSLIM stocks that have put in long & strong bases? (RMCI and = CPRT are not bad, but are now extended.) Or is this mostly just a = 'yesteryears favourites' rally? Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Hi Charlie, Without considering today's closing price, if you were to draw a = line along the highs and lows going back to July 5, you see a clear = downtrend. Today's close appears to just crack the highs line, but one = day doesn't make a trend. On a positive note, I see strong earnings forecast for this year (up = 56%) and next (up another 31%), strong ROE (37%), positive cash flow = (nearly double), and consistent top and bottom line growth both solidly = in the 20%+ range. Balanced against this is the current trailing PE of = 35, but the projected PE drops to 31, and the projected PE for 2002 = drops further to 24. That's not much of a premium for such strong = growth. I also note they took advantage of the ease in SEC rules to announce = a buyback of 9.6% of the issue (equals about 15% of the float). That = will help sustain the earnings growth. I agree that the 50 DMA at 16 looks like resistance (now support), = but would want to see it break decisively over 17.20 (the most recent = high) on volume. I am not sure I would wait for it to break the prior = highs at 18.91 and 19.75. Good luck, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking 17 would have been = a good entry point but got busy and never did the trade, possibly I = should wait to see if it gets to about 17.50. It is above the 50 DMA which looks = like the resistance to me and the volume was good. Any thoughts on this = one. Thanks Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C14C4C.61D8ACE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ian,
 
Try these, all are thinly traded, mostly low priced, = small=20 caps, not for the usual investor. Some are recovering, some are already = way=20 extended, as my VR fund is now up nearly 13% in past 4 days. Today was = the first=20 in 4 days that any major index beat my fund, that was Naz.
 
TAYD 20.8%
KRSL 17.6%
ABIX 32.5%
QVDX 14.8%
EFTD 20%
KEG 9%
SVT 9.2%
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, = 2001 3:34=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Very strange = market=20 ....

This is the most disconnected market day I have = seen in a=20 long time. I keep pretty thorough lists of companies with strong=20 earnings/business momentum. On most days when the market is up big, I = get a=20 high percentage of these stocks beating the major indexes. Right now, = the=20 NASDAQ-100 is up over 9% on the day! On my lists, only RMCI, CPRT, = ASW, DFXI,=20 SLNK, LDSH are beating/approaching a 9% gain.
 
I know that the 'signs' tell us that we are now in = a new=20 bull, but it sure looks more like a manic short squeeze to me right = now. Does=20 anybody have good CANSLIM stocks that have put in long & strong = bases?=20 (RMCI and CPRT are not bad, but are now extended.) Or is this mostly = just a=20 'yesteryears favourites' rally?
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 01, = 2001 5:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = USPH

Hi Charlie,
 
Without considering today's closing price, if = you were to=20 draw a line along the highs and lows going back to July 5, you see a = clear=20 downtrend.  Today's close appears to just crack the highs line, = but one=20 day doesn't make a trend.
 
On a positive note, I see strong earnings = forecast for=20 this year (up 56%) and next (up another 31%), strong ROE (37%), = positive=20 cash flow (nearly double), and consistent top and bottom line growth = both=20 solidly in the 20%+ range. Balanced against this is the current = trailing PE=20 of 35, but the projected PE drops to 31, and the projected PE for = 2002 drops=20 further to 24. That's not much of a premium for such strong=20 growth.
 
I also note they took advantage of the ease in = SEC rules=20 to announce a buyback of 9.6% of the issue (equals about 15% of the = float).=20 That will help sustain the earnings growth.
 
I agree that the 50 DMA at 16 looks like = resistance (now=20 support), but would want to see it break decisively over 17.20 (the = most=20 recent high) on volume. I am not sure I would wait for it to break = the prior=20 highs at 18.91 and 19.75.
 
Good luck,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Monday, October 01, = 2001 10:26=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = USPH


I am looking seriously at USPH. I was thinking = 17 would=20 have been a good
entry point but got busy and never did the = trade,=20 possibly I should wait to
see if it gets to about 17.50. It is = above=20 the 50 DMA which looks like the
resistance to me and the volume = was=20 good. Any thoughts on this = one.
Thanks
Charlie


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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C14C4C.61D8ACE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up Date: 03 Oct 2001 21:13:13 -0600 He thought if there was a problem it was just finding some shares that were available for shorting. On 3 Oct 01, at 12:20, Mike Lucero wrote: > I just heard something disturbing on CNBC. They said they had > heard that small investors were not being allowed to short a > number of big stocks, GE being one of them. The guy on the > exchange floor discounted it, saying he had never heard of such a > thing. > > It bothers me that last Thursday, I believe, they were saying > "This isn't real. It's just portfolio rebalancing." It seems like > every time it wasn't real, they jumped on the bandwagon, but this > time was different. Are they just puppets? > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Forant > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:28 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] 189 of 239 Industries up > > > 189 of 239 industries are up as of 1:30 eastern. Another good sign. Well at least a sign. They were hit so hard, it was inevitable for a run up. How long will it last................... > > DanF > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? Date: 04 Oct 2001 17:11:45 -0400 The markets have posted two strong follow-through days, IBD is boldly declaring a new rally has begun, yet this list has been dead. If this is truly the start of a new bull market, surely there are quality stocks breaking out all over, and even more quality bases setting up, ready to go any day. Unfortunately I haven't found any. Anyone else? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? Date: 04 Oct 2001 17:14:51 -0400 I have a watch list. However, I hesitate to post it because I can't quantify how I obtain it. In addition, I can't seem to log on to the ibd site now, so I can't update my list. Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:11 PM : The markets have posted two strong follow-through days, IBD is boldly : declaring a new rally has begun, yet this list has been dead. : : If this is truly the start of a new bull market, surely there are quality : stocks breaking out all over, and even more quality bases setting up, : ready to go any day. Unfortunately I haven't found any. Anyone else? : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? Date: 04 Oct 2001 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Probably everyone is scrambling to do their research that has been neglected during the dry season. It looked like this the first few days of the April rally too. Kent --- Dave wrote: > The markets have posted two strong follow-through > days, IBD is boldly > declaring a new rally has begun, yet this list has > been dead. > > If this is truly the start of a new bull market, > surely there are quality > stocks breaking out all over, and even more quality > bases setting up, > ready to go any day. Unfortunately I haven't found > any. Anyone else? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? Date: 04 Oct 2001 18:54:12 -0700 These are what I am watching at present. USPH which I like but I think it would need to go to 17.50 with good volume to convince me. GPI Really popped up but I think maybe I missed it CPRT Totally missed it. GISX 18.50 at good volume? EASI Up 10% today, missed it. According to WON in HTMMIS, don't chase if a stock goes up 5 to 10 percent over the break out point, doesn't that sort of wipe out GPI, CPRT and EASI?. I keep missing everything. Disclaimer: I am just starting at this as is probably obvious. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? Date: 04 Oct 2001 19:25:20 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C14D0A.4ED6DB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, I have found very few stocks to add to my list this week, probably = because the number of stocks hitting new highs, much less meeting my = screen criteria, are so few. I am reposting the DGO List from last Saturday. I have not reviewed them = to see how they have performed this week, but this might be a good = starting point if you had not already looked at this list. DGO List from 9/28/01 # =3D in my VR fund AHMH - possible flat, sloppy cup forming MDCI # - strong move in a difficult market, only a one week base at this = point FHRX - sloppy B2, held up well AZO - strong earnings reported for 4th qtr ending August, up sharply 8 = of past 10 days on double or better ADV, extended RMCI - up last 8 days, 7 on way over avg vol, extended TCNJ - saucer, right at pivot PORT - squarish cup, right at pivot where either handle forms, breakout = occurs, or it collapses on itself FCN - resuming its LLUR character LLL - defense contractor for secure communications, massive gap up after = the attack, two week consolidation since MCO - up past five days on above ADV, past pivot but within 10% CITZ - B2 DP - 4 strong up days in past 10, all w/volume over any down days, = patterning the activity prior the WTC attack VGR - strong triple digit earnings forecast, B1 PNP - b/o Friday from B3 on more than double ADV KPP - B5 EPD - B4 ANSS - did poorly since 9/11, but on Friday spiked over 15% on nearly 3X = ADV to close to the six week base preceding 9/11 CGI - right at the pivot on Friday Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? The markets have posted two strong follow-through days, IBD is boldly declaring a new rally has begun, yet this list has been dead. If this is truly the start of a new bull market, surely there are = quality stocks breaking out all over, and even more quality bases setting up, ready to go any day. Unfortunately I haven't found any. Anyone else? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C14D0A.4ED6DB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dave,
 
I have found very few stocks to add to my list this = week,=20 probably because the number of stocks hitting new highs, much less = meeting=20 my screen criteria, are so few.
 
I am reposting the DGO List from last Saturday. I = have not=20 reviewed them to see how they have performed this week, but this might = be a good=20 starting point if you had not already looked at this list.
 
DGO List from 9/28/01
 
# =3D in my VR fund
 
AHMH - possible flat, sloppy cup forming
MDCI # - strong move in a difficult market, only a one week base at = this=20 point
FHRX - sloppy B2, held up well
AZO - strong earnings reported for 4th qtr ending August, up = sharply 8 of=20 past 10 days on double or better ADV, extended
RMCI - up last 8 days, 7 on way over avg vol, extended
TCNJ - saucer, right at pivot
PORT - squarish cup, right at pivot where either handle forms, = breakout=20 occurs, or it collapses on itself
FCN - resuming its LLUR character
LLL - defense contractor for secure communications, massive gap up = after=20 the attack, two week consolidation since
MCO - up past five days on above ADV, past pivot but within = 10%
CITZ - B2
DP - 4 strong up days in past 10, all w/volume over any down days,=20 patterning the activity prior the WTC attack
VGR - strong triple digit earnings forecast, B1
PNP - b/o Friday from B3 on more than double ADV
KPP - B5
EPD - B4
ANSS - did poorly since 9/11, but on Friday spiked over 15% on = nearly 3X=20 ADV to close to the six week base preceding 9/11
CGI - right at the pivot on Friday
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 04, = 2001 5:11=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Where be the = breakouts?

The markets have posted two strong follow-through days, = IBD is=20 boldly
declaring a new rally has begun, yet this list has been=20 dead.

If this is truly the start of a new bull market, surely = there are=20 quality
stocks breaking out all over, and even more quality bases = setting=20 up,
ready to go any day. Unfortunately I haven't found any. Anyone=20 else?


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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C14D0A.4ED6DB80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? Date: 04 Oct 2001 19:37:14 -0400 It's going to take awhile for a lot of CANSLIM prospects to become visible. So many stocks were beaten down. Many new bases have to be built. This has been the worst downfall ever. I have 46 cup & handle charts forming on my watchlist. I'm sure I won't wait till all 7 letters are in agreement with them. DanF ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:11 PM > The markets have posted two strong follow-through days, IBD is boldly > declaring a new rally has begun, yet this list has been dead. > > If this is truly the start of a new bull market, surely there are quality > stocks breaking out all over, and even more quality bases setting up, > ready to go any day. Unfortunately I haven't found any. Anyone else? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? Date: 04 Oct 2001 20:14:00 -0400 Because many of the stocks I am watching have broken out (e.g., EASI, DP, GD, RMCI, ILUM) I am currently considering: DYII NDN GISX CYTC. But could the negative employment report tomorrow be a drag on the M? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:54 PM : These are what I am watching at present. : : USPH which I like but I think it would need to go to 17.50 with good volume : to convince me. : GPI Really popped up but I think maybe I missed it : CPRT Totally missed it. : GISX 18.50 at good volume? : EASI Up 10% today, missed it. : : According to WON in HTMMIS, don't chase if a stock goes up 5 to 10 percent : over the break out point, doesn't that sort of wipe out GPI, CPRT and EASI?. : I keep missing everything. : Disclaimer: I am just starting at this as is probably obvious. : : Charlie : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? Date: 04 Oct 2001 20:30:15 EDT --part1_70.11023ef1.28ee5917_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MYL broke out today, then pulled back to close slightly lower. Also looking good, FTO KRSL (small cap) Chris --part1_70.11023ef1.28ee5917_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MYL broke out today, then pulled back to close slightly lower.

Also looking good,

FTO
KRSL (small cap)


Chris --part1_70.11023ef1.28ee5917_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 04 Oct 2001 20:44:46 -0400 Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper right corner of the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 04 Oct 2001 20:03:29 -0500 Been there all day for me, Ann. Maybe you were a snake in a previous life Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:44 PM > Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper right corner of > the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 04 Oct 2001 21:52:39 EDT Ann: I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV (avergage daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of the chart. I'm not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning "9/11". jans In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, annholly@mediaone.net writes: << Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper right corner of the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 04 Oct 2001 21:55:49 -0400 Jans, Norman, Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM : Ann: : : I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV (avergage : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of the chart. I'm : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning "9/11". : jans : : : : : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, : annholly@mediaone.net writes: : : << Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper right corner of : the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? >> : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? Date: 04 Oct 2001 21:01:09 -0600 I have seen a few move up on cup, no handle breakouts. I'm waiting to see more go before testing the waters. Stocks I've been watching since Friday that look like breakouts to me are: BRO - Nice move, extended. CYTC - Hit a new high intraday, but fell back, could still go CPRT - Still within 5% of the previous high, still in range BBI - Nice move, extended. LIFE - Hit new high, fell back, twice, very low volume stock (big caps are leading) LLL - Strong move, just under 5% above high, still in range AJG - B/O yesterday, fell back today, but held above pivot HRH - Holding B/O but still well in range These are all stocks from the list I posted over the weekend. Wow, that's 8 breakouts on my reduced watch list of 34 stocks, not bad. Hmm, maybe I should sample one of these tomorrow, after all. Another good day tomorrow, and there are several others that could hit new highs. Alternatively, a slower "M" for a few days would give some of these a chance to form handles. At 05:11 PM 10/4/01 -0400, you wrote: >The markets have posted two strong follow-through days, IBD is boldly >declaring a new rally has begun, yet this list has been dead. > >If this is truly the start of a new bull market, surely there are quality >stocks breaking out all over, and even more quality bases setting up, >ready to go any day. Unfortunately I haven't found any. Anyone else? > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where be the breakouts? Date: 04 Oct 2001 22:07:41 -0500 I have been watching NDN, FTN, GISX, CYTC, AMRN and EASI today. GISX and AMRN are 'pausing' near the pivot. I bot EASI just above what I consider a high pivot of 52.56. IBD has mentioned that there are a number of breakouts w/o handles also. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:01 PM > I have seen a few move up on cup, no handle breakouts. I'm waiting to see > more go before testing the waters. Stocks I've been watching since Friday > that look like breakouts to me are: > > BRO - Nice move, extended. > CYTC - Hit a new high intraday, but fell back, could still go > CPRT - Still within 5% of the previous high, still in range > BBI - Nice move, extended. > LIFE - Hit new high, fell back, twice, very low volume stock (big caps are > leading) > LLL - Strong move, just under 5% above high, still in range > AJG - B/O yesterday, fell back today, but held above pivot > HRH - Holding B/O but still well in range > > These are all stocks from the list I posted over the weekend. Wow, that's > 8 breakouts on my reduced watch list of 34 stocks, not bad. Hmm, maybe I > should sample one of these tomorrow, after all. Another good day tomorrow, > and there are several others that could hit new highs. Alternatively, a > slower "M" for a few days would give some of these a chance to form handles. > > At 05:11 PM 10/4/01 -0400, you wrote: > >The markets have posted two strong follow-through days, IBD is boldly > >declaring a new rally has begun, yet this list has been dead. > > > >If this is truly the start of a new bull market, surely there are quality > >stocks breaking out all over, and even more quality bases setting up, > >ready to go any day. Unfortunately I haven't found any. Anyone else? > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: [CANSLIM] AMRN Date: 05 Oct 2001 00:17:07 -0700 Has an N/A for SMR rating, which means what? Can a DGO-er help me out there? Is that a tiny handle with drying up volume forming on a so so cup? Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Lloyd" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 05 Oct 2001 07:22:37 -0400 Ann, If the chart comes up small the ADV will not show. Enlarge the chart and you will see it. John ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:44 PM > Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper right corner of > the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 09/25/2001 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AMRN Date: 05 Oct 2001 07:48:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C14D72.31DF1AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Perry, No SMR rating because the ROE (Return On Equity) is also N/A due being = negative. I suspect without checking the figures that ROE is negative = because of the huge losses in years 1996 thru 1999. Chart wise, it's a pretty ugly cup, but the right side moved on very = strong volume. If a handle is forming, it's too high (above the left = rim) so may be more failure prone or just trend lower (it's in a strong = "A" rated group). Both earnings and sales have been extremely volatile and inconsistent. I = also don't see a consensus of analyst's forecasts, so you would have to = do your homework and make your own judgments on what to expect in the = future. Venture capitalists cut their stake in the company during Sept = by a third. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Stanfield=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:17 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] AMRN Has an N/A for SMR rating, which means what? Can a DGO-er help me out there? Is that a tiny handle with drying up volume forming on a so so = cup? Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C14D72.31DF1AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Perry,
 
No SMR rating because the ROE (Return On Equity) is = also N/A=20 due being negative. I suspect without checking the figures that ROE is = negative=20 because of the huge losses in years 1996 thru 1999.
 
Chart wise, it's a pretty ugly cup, but the right = side moved=20 on very strong volume. If a handle is forming, it's too high (above the = left=20 rim) so may be more failure prone or just trend lower (it's in a strong = "A"=20 rated group).
 
Both earnings and sales have been extremely volatile = and=20 inconsistent. I also don't see a consensus of analyst's forecasts, so = you would=20 have to do your homework and make your own judgments on what to expect = in the=20 future. Venture capitalists cut their stake in the company during Sept = by a=20 third.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Perry = Stanfield=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 3:17=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] AMRN

Has an N/A for SMR rating, which means what?  Can = a DGO-er=20 help me out
there?  Is that a tiny handle with drying up = volume=20 forming on a so so cup?

Perry


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------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C14D72.31DF1AC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AMRN Date: 05 Oct 2001 10:50:13 -0600 --=====================_79183303==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tom I think a high handle is better than no handle. It's 7% extended. Some of the pros who follow canslim find handles extended up to 12% beyond cup acceptable. Today the price almost touched 21. This stock isnt perfect but it reminds me of couple I played in the April rally that did really well. At least as long as the rally lasted. At 07:48 AM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Perry, > >No SMR rating because the ROE (Return On Equity) is also N/A due being >negative. I suspect without checking the figures that ROE is negative >because of the huge losses in years 1996 thru 1999. > >Chart wise, it's a pretty ugly cup, but the right side moved on very >strong volume. If a handle is forming, it's too high (above the left rim) >so may be more failure prone or just trend lower (it's in a strong "A" >rated group). > >Both earnings and sales have been extremely volatile and inconsistent. I >also don't see a consensus of analyst's forecasts, so you would have to do >your homework and make your own judgments on what to expect in the future. >Venture capitalists cut their stake in the company during Sept by a third. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Perry Stanfield >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:17 AM >>Subject: [CANSLIM] AMRN >> >>Has an N/A for SMR rating, which means what? Can a DGO-er help me out >>there? Is that a tiny handle with drying up volume forming on a so so cup? >> >>Perry >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >>"majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. --=====================_79183303==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Tom

I think a high handle is better than no handle. It's 7% extended. Some of the pros who follow canslim find handles extended up to 12% beyond cup acceptable. Today the price almost touched 21. This stock isnt perfect but it reminds me of couple I played in the April rally that did really well. At least as long as the rally lasted.


At 07:48 AM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Perry,
 
No SMR rating because the ROE (Return On Equity) is also N/A due being negative. I suspect without checking the figures that ROE is negative because of the huge losses in years 1996 thru 1999.
 
Chart wise, it's a pretty ugly cup, but the right side moved on very strong volume. If a handle is forming, it's too high (above the left rim) so may be more failure prone or just trend lower (it's in a strong "A" rated group).
 
Both earnings and sales have been extremely volatile and inconsistent. I also don't see a consensus of analyst's forecasts, so you would have to do your homework and make your own judgments on what to expect in the future. Venture capitalists cut their stake in the company during Sept by a third.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Stanfield
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:17 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] AMRN

Has an N/A for SMR rating, which means what?  Can a DGO-er help me out
there?  Is that a tiny handle with drying up volume forming on a so so cup?

Perry


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--=====================_79183303==_.ALT-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: [CANSLIM] testing testing Date: 05 Oct 2001 21:35:22 +0700 testing "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: [CANSLIM] Watchlist Date: 05 Oct 2001 20:56:01 +0700 This what I am watching... AHMH Building a high handle DP Looking for a pullback DRMD MEDM PGR PRX USPH WTFC Double bottom Peter "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephanie Chicko" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 05 Oct 2001 08:58:07 -0400 Hey Ann, I never see the ADV on the ibd screen. It appears when I print the chart. Go Figure? My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) Bought FHRX but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little profit. Oh yeah also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas :) Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. Steff ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM > Jans, Norman, > Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > : Ann: > : > : I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV (avergage > : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of the chart. > I'm > : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning "9/11". > : jans > : > : > : > : > : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > : annholly@mediaone.net writes: > : > : << Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper right > corner of > : the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? >> > : > : - > : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > : > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 20:57:00 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C14DE0.47312260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CANSLIM Discussion Group Members I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of = my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed = in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my = service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well = intended practice. I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting = intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of = mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently. I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in = this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. = I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from = members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I = never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that = there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD = shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group = credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. = To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial = purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this = group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas. This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is = being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that = is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the = sneaky approach. The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a = morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's = not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might = not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the = head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally = recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market = (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and = continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of = stocks to DGO or IBD). Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the = entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I = can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one = way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure = of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks = in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for = alternative means to achieve the same results. Sincerely, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C14DE0.47312260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, = Daily=20 Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group=20 Members
 
I was served with legal notice this morning that I = was in=20 violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I = had=20 listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my = service=20 be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. = I will,=20 of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice.
 
I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was = posting=20 intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List,=20 rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of = mention. =20 Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently.
 
I would also note that despite my frequent and = strong support=20 of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you = from=20 DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews = from=20 members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I = never=20 heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that = there=20 have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly = after=20 similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or=20 acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that = is theft=20 of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. = Maybe Jeff=20 Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and = demand=20 payment when they steal our ideas.
 
This legal notice I received again confirms to me = that this=20 group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I = guess=20 that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like = the=20 sneaky approach.
 
The most upsetting part of this for me is getting = this notice=20 in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. = It's not=20 like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not = have the=20 same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a = baseball=20 bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to = make good=20 money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the = past=20 six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not = giving=20 the list of stocks to DGO or IBD).
 
Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to = continue=20 reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. = Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with = this "one=20 way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure = of DGO to=20 provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the = continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books = rather=20 than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to = buy this=20 service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same=20 results.
 
Sincerely,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C14DE0.47312260-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 05 Oct 2001 21:20:02 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C14DE3.7F600A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stephanie, One member previously suggested the problem is the image is minimized. = Try maximizing it and see if that will display the ADV. I had a similar = problem with DGO, and found I had to change the pixel settings in order = to see all of the detail. Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger offer on the table. CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings forecast for the year (up = 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving the = target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is showing in = the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings = growth. And volume is drying up right now. KG also looks interesting, but not as strong as CYTC. On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some healthy fear. Better = that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It is trading at very = rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings growth = forecast for this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. And the = market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth watching = for a second entry. And, of course, there's never anything wrong in = taking a profit, especially in this market. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephanie Chicko=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hey Ann, I never see the ADV on the ibd screen. It appears when I print the = chart. Go Figure? My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) Bought = FHRX but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little profit. Oh = yeah also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas :) Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. Steff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > Jans, Norman, > Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > : Ann: > : > : I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV = (avergage > : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of the = chart. > I'm > : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning "9/11". > : jans > : > : > : > : > : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > : annholly@mediaone.net writes: > : > : << Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper = right > corner of > : the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? >> >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C14DE3.7F600A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Stephanie,
 
One member previously suggested the problem is the = image is=20 minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display the ADV. I had = a=20 similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change the pixel settings = in order=20 to see all of the detail.
 
Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger = offer on the=20 table.
 
CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings = forecast for the=20 year (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving = the=20 target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is showing in = the=20 earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings growth. = And=20 volume is drying up right now.
 
KG also looks interesting, but not as strong as=20 CYTC.
 
On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some = healthy fear.=20 Better that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It is trading at = very=20 rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings growth = forecast=20 for this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. And the market = cap to=20 sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth watching for a second = entry.=20 And, of course, there's never anything wrong in taking a profit, = especially in=20 this market.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephanie=20 Chicko
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 8:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV

Hey Ann,
I never see the ADV on the ibd = screen.  It=20 appears when I print the chart.
Go Figure?  My watches are few = at the=20 time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI
Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't = close yet=20 but like the numbers) Bought FHRX
but got scared(What can I say) = and sold=20 it with a little profit. Oh yeah
also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We = needed=20 money to go to Las Vegas :)
Planning on doing some serious research = this=20 weekend.
Steff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann" = <annholly@mediaone.net>
To= :=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] = ibd=20 ADV


> Jans, Norman,
> Thanks for the feedback. = I'll=20 contact ibd.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Spencer48@aol.com>
> = = href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV
>
>
> : Ann:
> :
>=20 :      I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, = and it=20 shows the ADV (avergage
> : daily volume) where you said it = should- at=20 the top right of the chart.
> I'm
> : not certain what you = mean by=20 your last sentence concerning "9/11".
>=20 = :            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 jans
> :
> :
> :
> :
> : In a message = dated=20 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> : annholly@mediaone.net = writes:
>=20 :
> : << Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in = the=20 upper right
> corner of
> :  the daily charts? Has it = been=20 since 9/11? >>
> ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C14DE3.7F600A40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watchlist Date: 05 Oct 2001 21:36:58 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C14DE5.DC7095E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice list, Peter, Note that DRMD is under a proposed merger offer. On PRX, DGO shows a year 2001 forecast of earnings of $1.31, yet they = also only show net earnings of 13 cents thru the first half, and without = notation of any non-recurring events. That just doesn't compute, to me. USPH seems to be showing up on a lot of members lists. Then again, the = medical related groups all appear to be very strong right now. Not the = best of leadership, but you gotta take what you are given.=20 Good luck, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Christiansen=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:56 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Watchlist This what I am watching... AHMH Building a high handle DP Looking for a pullback DRMD MEDM PGR PRX USPH WTFC Double bottom Peter "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C14DE5.DC7095E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice list, Peter,
 
Note that DRMD is under a proposed merger = offer.
 
On PRX, DGO shows a year 2001 forecast of earnings = of $1.31,=20 yet they also only show net earnings of 13 cents thru the first half, = and=20 without notation of any non-recurring events. That just doesn't compute, = to=20 me.
 
USPH seems to be showing up on a lot of members = lists. Then=20 again, the medical related groups all appear to be very strong right = now. Not=20 the best of leadership, but you gotta take what you are given. =
 
Good luck,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Christiansen
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 9:56=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Watchlist

This what I am watching...

AHMH Building a high=20 handle
DP Looking for a=20 pullback
DRMD
MEDM
PGR
PRX
USPH
WTFC Double=20 bottom

Peter

"The crowd has never thirsted for the = truth" -=20 Gustave LeBon


-
-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C14DE5.DC7095E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 05 Oct 2001 21:39:39 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C14DE6.3CB9A220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and isn't that undesirable? = I've been watching it, too. Ann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hi Stephanie, One member previously suggested the problem is the image is minimized. = Try maximizing it and see if that will display the ADV. I had a similar = problem with DGO, and found I had to change the pixel settings in order = to see all of the detail. Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger offer on the table. CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings forecast for the year = (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving the = target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is showing in = the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings = growth. And volume is drying up right now. KG also looks interesting, but not as strong as CYTC. On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some healthy fear. Better = that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It is trading at very = rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings growth = forecast for this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. And the = market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth watching = for a second entry. And, of course, there's never anything wrong in = taking a profit, especially in this market. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephanie Chicko=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hey Ann, I never see the ADV on the ibd screen. It appears when I print the = chart. Go Figure? My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and = MDCI Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) Bought = FHRX but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little profit. Oh = yeah also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas :) Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. Steff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > Jans, Norman, > Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > : Ann: > : > : I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV = (avergage > : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of the = chart. > I'm > : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning = "9/11". > : jans > : > : > : > : > : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > : annholly@mediaone.net writes: > : > : << Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper = right > corner of > : the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? >> >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C14DE6.3CB9A220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and = isn't that=20 undesirable? I've been watching it, too.
 
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 9:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV

Hi Stephanie,
 
One member previously suggested the problem is the = image is=20 minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display the ADV. I = had a=20 similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change the pixel settings = in=20 order to see all of the detail.
 
Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger = offer on=20 the table.
 
CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings = forecast for=20 the year (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of = achieving=20 the target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is = showing in=20 the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings = growth. And=20 volume is drying up right now.
 
KG also looks interesting, but not as strong as=20 CYTC.
 
On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some = healthy=20 fear. Better that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It is = trading at=20 very rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings = growth=20 forecast for this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. And = the=20 market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth = watching for a=20 second entry. And, of course, there's never anything wrong in taking a = profit,=20 especially in this market.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephanie=20 Chicko
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 8:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV

Hey Ann,
I never see the ADV on the ibd = screen.  It=20 appears when I print the chart.
Go Figure?  My watches are = few at=20 the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI
Watching CYTC, KG(which = isn't close=20 yet but like the numbers) Bought FHRX
but got scared(What can I = say) and=20 sold it with a little profit. Oh yeah
also traded = CSCO(Non-canslim) We=20 needed money to go to Las Vegas :)
Planning on doing some serious = research this weekend.
Steff

----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 "Ann" <annholly@mediaone.net>
To= :=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV


> Jans, Norman,
> Thanks for the feedback. = I'll=20 contact ibd.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: = <Spencer48@aol.com>
> = = href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV
>
>
> : Ann:
> :
>=20 :      I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, = and it=20 shows the ADV (avergage
> : daily volume) where you said it = should- at=20 the top right of the chart.
> I'm
> : not certain what = you mean=20 by your last sentence concerning "9/11".
>=20 = :            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 jans
> :
> :
> :
> :
> : In a message = dated=20 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> : annholly@mediaone.net=20 writes:
> :
> : << Does anyone know why ibd no = longer has=20 the ADV in the upper right
> corner of
> :  the = daily=20 charts? Has it been since 9/11? >>
>=20
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C14DE6.3CB9A220-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 05 Oct 2001 21:41:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C14DE6.901B2740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CYTC was also mentioned on Bloomberg this morning, which can mean the = beginning of the end. I thought there would be more of a bounce from that, short-term at = least. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hi Stephanie, One member previously suggested the problem is the image is minimized. = Try maximizing it and see if that will display the ADV. I had a similar = problem with DGO, and found I had to change the pixel settings in order = to see all of the detail. Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger offer on the table. CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings forecast for the year = (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving the = target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is showing in = the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings = growth. And volume is drying up right now. KG also looks interesting, but not as strong as CYTC. On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some healthy fear. Better = that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It is trading at very = rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings growth = forecast for this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. And the = market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth watching = for a second entry. And, of course, there's never anything wrong in = taking a profit, especially in this market. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephanie Chicko=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hey Ann, I never see the ADV on the ibd screen. It appears when I print the = chart. Go Figure? My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and = MDCI Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) Bought = FHRX but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little profit. Oh = yeah also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas :) Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. Steff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > Jans, Norman, > Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > : Ann: > : > : I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV = (avergage > : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of the = chart. > I'm > : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning = "9/11". > : jans > : > : > : > : > : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > : annholly@mediaone.net writes: > : > : << Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper = right > corner of > : the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? >> >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C14DE6.901B2740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CYTC was also mentioned on Bloomberg this morning, = which can=20 mean the beginning of the end.
I thought there would be more of a bounce from that, = short-term at least.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 9:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV

Hi Stephanie,
 
One member previously suggested the problem is the = image is=20 minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display the ADV. I = had a=20 similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change the pixel settings = in=20 order to see all of the detail.
 
Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger = offer on=20 the table.
 
CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings = forecast for=20 the year (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of = achieving=20 the target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is = showing in=20 the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings = growth. And=20 volume is drying up right now.
 
KG also looks interesting, but not as strong as=20 CYTC.
 
On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some = healthy=20 fear. Better that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It is = trading at=20 very rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings = growth=20 forecast for this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. And = the=20 market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth = watching for a=20 second entry. And, of course, there's never anything wrong in taking a = profit,=20 especially in this market.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephanie=20 Chicko
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 8:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV

Hey Ann,
I never see the ADV on the ibd = screen.  It=20 appears when I print the chart.
Go Figure?  My watches are = few at=20 the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI
Watching CYTC, KG(which = isn't close=20 yet but like the numbers) Bought FHRX
but got scared(What can I = say) and=20 sold it with a little profit. Oh yeah
also traded = CSCO(Non-canslim) We=20 needed money to go to Las Vegas :)
Planning on doing some serious = research this weekend.
Steff

----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 "Ann" <annholly@mediaone.net>
To= :=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV


> Jans, Norman,
> Thanks for the feedback. = I'll=20 contact ibd.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: = <Spencer48@aol.com>
> = = href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV
>
>
> : Ann:
> :
>=20 :      I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, = and it=20 shows the ADV (avergage
> : daily volume) where you said it = should- at=20 the top right of the chart.
> I'm
> : not certain what = you mean=20 by your last sentence concerning "9/11".
>=20 = :            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 jans
> :
> :
> :
> :
> : In a message = dated=20 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> : annholly@mediaone.net=20 writes:
> :
> : << Does anyone know why ibd no = longer has=20 the ADV in the upper right
> corner of
> :  the = daily=20 charts? Has it been since 9/11? >>
>=20
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C14DE6.901B2740-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 05 Oct 2001 21:53:58 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C14DE8.3C9DA3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ann, I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do see a high handle = forming over the past week. This market has been so beaten down in the = past 18 or so months that a lot of rules will be broken now that we have = not one, but two, very strong FT days. It will be very difficult to find = buyable bases for some time, I suspect. While a high handle is more prone to failure, it doesn't mean it can't = work out profitably. More risk, but the rewards can still be there, = especially when the fundies are so strong. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and isn't that = undesirable? I've been watching it, too. Ann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hi Stephanie, One member previously suggested the problem is the image is = minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display the ADV. I had = a similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change the pixel settings = in order to see all of the detail. Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger offer on the table. CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings forecast for the year = (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving the = target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is showing in = the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings = growth. And volume is drying up right now. KG also looks interesting, but not as strong as CYTC. On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some healthy fear. Better = that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It is trading at very = rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings growth = forecast for this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. And the = market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth watching = for a second entry. And, of course, there's never anything wrong in = taking a profit, especially in this market. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephanie Chicko=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hey Ann, I never see the ADV on the ibd screen. It appears when I print = the chart. Go Figure? My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and = MDCI Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) = Bought FHRX but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little profit. = Oh yeah also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas = :) Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. Steff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > Jans, Norman, > Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > : Ann: > : > : I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV = (avergage > : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of = the chart. > I'm > : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning = "9/11". > : jans > : > : > : > : > : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > : annholly@mediaone.net writes: > : > : << Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper = right > corner of > : the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? >> >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C14DE8.3C9DA3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ann,
 
I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do see = a high=20 handle forming over the past week. This market has been so beaten down = in the=20 past 18 or so months that a lot of rules will be broken now that we have = not=20 one, but two, very strong FT days. It will be very difficult to find = buyable=20 bases for some time, I suspect.
 
While a high handle is more prone to failure, it = doesn't mean=20 it can't work out profitably. More risk, but the rewards can still be = there,=20 especially when the fundies are so strong.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ann=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 9:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV

Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and = isn't that=20 undesirable? I've been watching it, too.
 
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 9:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV

Hi Stephanie,
 
One member previously suggested the problem is = the image=20 is minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display the = ADV. I had=20 a similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change the pixel = settings in=20 order to see all of the detail.
 
Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger = offer on=20 the table.
 
CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings = forecast for=20 the year (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of = achieving=20 the target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is = showing in=20 the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings = growth.=20 And volume is drying up right now.
 
KG also looks interesting, but not as strong as=20 CYTC.
 
On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some = healthy=20 fear. Better that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It is = trading=20 at very rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% = earnings=20 growth forecast for this year even the projected PE is very high at = 69. And=20 the market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth = watching=20 for a second entry. And, of course, there's never anything wrong in = taking a=20 profit, especially in this market.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Stephanie=20 Chicko
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 8:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV

Hey Ann,
I never see the ADV on the ibd = screen.  It=20 appears when I print the chart.
Go Figure?  My watches are = few at=20 the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI
Watching CYTC, KG(which = isn't=20 close yet but like the numbers) Bought FHRX
but got scared(What = can I=20 say) and sold it with a little profit. Oh yeah
also traded=20 CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas = :)
Planning on=20 doing some serious research this weekend.
Steff

----- = Original=20 Message -----
From: "Ann" <annholly@mediaone.net>
To= :=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV


> Jans, Norman,
> Thanks for the feedback. = I'll=20 contact ibd.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: = <Spencer48@aol.com>
> To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV
>
>
> : Ann:
> :
>=20 :      I just called up CPRT on IBD's = page, and=20 it shows the ADV (avergage
> : daily volume) where you said = it=20 should- at the top right of the chart.
> I'm
> : not = certain=20 what you mean by your last sentence concerning "9/11".
>=20 = :            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 jans
> :
> :
> :
> :
> : In a = message dated=20 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> : annholly@mediaone.net=20 writes:
> :
> : << Does anyone know why ibd no = longer=20 has the ADV in the upper right
> corner of
> :  = the daily=20 charts? Has it been since 9/11? >>
>=20
------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C14DE8.3C9DA3C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 05 Oct 2001 22:00:14 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C14DE9.1CBDBD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see a handle starting on 9/28 (26.88 high) and going to today (high = 27.90). Or is that difference not enough to qualify as sloping upward? Ann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:53 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hi Ann, I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do see a high handle = forming over the past week. This market has been so beaten down in the = past 18 or so months that a lot of rules will be broken now that we have = not one, but two, very strong FT days. It will be very difficult to find = buyable bases for some time, I suspect. While a high handle is more prone to failure, it doesn't mean it can't = work out profitably. More risk, but the rewards can still be there, = especially when the fundies are so strong. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and isn't that = undesirable? I've been watching it, too. Ann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hi Stephanie, One member previously suggested the problem is the image is = minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display the ADV. I had = a similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change the pixel settings = in order to see all of the detail. Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger offer on the = table. CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings forecast for the = year (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving = the target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is = showing in the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy = earnings growth. And volume is drying up right now. KG also looks interesting, but not as strong as CYTC. On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some healthy fear. = Better that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It is trading at = very rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings = growth forecast for this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. = And the market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth = watching for a second entry. And, of course, there's never anything = wrong in taking a profit, especially in this market. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephanie Chicko=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hey Ann, I never see the ADV on the ibd screen. It appears when I print = the chart. Go Figure? My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) = and MDCI Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) = Bought FHRX but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little profit. = Oh yeah also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas = :) Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. Steff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > Jans, Norman, > Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > : Ann: > : > : I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the = ADV (avergage > : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of = the chart. > I'm > : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning = "9/11". > : jans > : > : > : > : > : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight = Time, > : annholly@mediaone.net writes: > : > : << Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the = upper right > corner of > : the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? >> >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C14DE9.1CBDBD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I see a handle starting on 9/28 (26.88 high) and = going to=20 today  (high 27.90). Or is that difference not enough to qualify as = sloping=20 upward?
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 9:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV

Hi Ann,
 
I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do = see a high=20 handle forming over the past week. This market has been so beaten down = in the=20 past 18 or so months that a lot of rules will be broken now that we = have not=20 one, but two, very strong FT days. It will be very difficult to find = buyable=20 bases for some time, I suspect.
 
While a high handle is more prone to failure, it = doesn't=20 mean it can't work out profitably. More risk, but the rewards can = still be=20 there, especially when the fundies are so strong.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ann=20
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 9:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV

Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and = isn't=20 that undesirable? I've been watching it, too.
 
Ann
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 9:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV

Hi Stephanie,
 
One member previously suggested the problem is = the image=20 is minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display the = ADV. I=20 had a similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change the = pixel=20 settings in order to see all of the detail.
 
Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a = merger offer=20 on the table.
 
CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings = forecast=20 for the year (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well = ahead of=20 achieving the target earnings for the year. Revenues growing = faster than=20 is showing in the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a = healthy=20 earnings growth. And volume is drying up right now.
 
KG also looks interesting, but not as strong = as=20 CYTC.
 
On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with = some healthy=20 fear. Better that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It = is=20 trading at very rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the = 139%=20 earnings growth forecast for this year even the projected PE is = very high=20 at 69. And the market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might = still be=20 worth watching for a second entry. And, of course, there's never = anything=20 wrong in taking a profit, especially in this market.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Stephanie=20 Chicko
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 8:58=20 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] ibd ADV

Hey Ann,
I never see the ADV on the ibd = screen. =20 It appears when I print the chart.
Go Figure?  My = watches are=20 few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI
Watching CYTC, = KG(which=20 isn't close yet but like the numbers) Bought FHRX
but got = scared(What=20 can I say) and sold it with a little profit. Oh yeah
also = traded=20 CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas = :)
Planning on=20 doing some serious research this weekend.
Steff

----- = Original=20 Message -----
From: "Ann" <annholly@mediaone.net>
To= :=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV


> Jans, Norman,
> Thanks for the = feedback.=20 I'll contact ibd.
> ----- Original Message -----
> = <Spencer48@aol.com>
>=20 To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV
>
>
> : Ann:
> :
>=20 :      I just called up CPRT on IBD's = page, and=20 it shows the ADV (avergage
> : daily volume) where you = said it=20 should- at the top right of the chart.
> I'm
> : not = certain=20 what you mean by your last sentence concerning "9/11".
>=20 = :            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 jans
> :
> :
> :
> :
> : In a = message=20 dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> : annholly@mediaone.net=20 writes:
> :
> : << Does anyone know why ibd no = longer=20 has the ADV in the upper right
> corner of
> :  = the=20 daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? >>
>=20
------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C14DE9.1CBDBD00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 22:04:16 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C14DE9.ACC20640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom You should know not to play where the big dogs eat. Someone more than = likely turned you in. I appreciated what you were doing and the loyalty = to this group. To those from DGO and IBD monitoring this group, I like = TC2000, and your paper is not worth $1.25 on the newsstand, and = certainly not worth the subscription price. DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: DGOnline Customer Service ; CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of = my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed = in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my = service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well = intended practice. I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting = intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of = mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently. I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO = in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from = DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews = from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article = as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note = that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in = IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this = group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the = article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for = commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a = copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they = steal our ideas. This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is = being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that = is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the = sneaky approach. The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a = morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's = not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might = not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the = head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally = recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market = (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and = continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of = stocks to DGO or IBD). Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing = the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully = I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one = way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure = of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks = in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for = alternative means to achieve the same results. Sincerely, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C14DE9.ACC20640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom
 
You should know not to play where the = big dogs eat.=20 Someone more than likely turned you in. I appreciated what you were = doing and=20 the loyalty to this group. To those from DGO and IBD = monitoring this group,=20  I like TC2000, and your paper is not worth $1.25 on the newsstand, = and=20 certainly not worth the subscription price.
 
DanF
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: DGOnline Customer Service = ; CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 8:57=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance of=20 my posting DGO Data

To: Ms. Susan McKnight, = President, Daily=20 Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group=20 Members
 
I was served with legal notice this morning that I = was in=20 violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks = I had=20 listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could = my=20 service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized=20 use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended=20 practice.
 
I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did = was posting=20 intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List,=20 rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of=20 mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel=20 differently.
 
I would also note that despite my frequent and = strong=20 support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a = thank=20 you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought = interviews=20 from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the = article as I=20 never heard back from her once she got her information. I also = note that=20 there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD = shortly=20 after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group = credited or=20 acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me = that is=20 theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to = boot.=20 Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's = discussions, and=20 demand payment when they steal our ideas.
 
This legal notice I received again confirms to me = that this=20 group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I = guess=20 that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't = like the=20 sneaky approach.
 
The most upsetting part of this for me is getting = this=20 notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have = sufficed.=20 It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it = might=20 not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in = the head=20 with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally = recognized my=20 ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR = fund is up=20 over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every = major=20 index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or = IBD).
 
Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to = continue=20 reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and = observations.=20 Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with = this=20 "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued = failure of=20 DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version, and=20 the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG = books=20 rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to = members to=20 buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the = same=20 results.
 
Sincerely,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C14DE9.ACC20640-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 05 Oct 2001 22:50:40 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C14DF0.28D7B6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ann, I usually look at the closing numbers rather than the intraday highs. On = that basis, the change is only 2.3%, to me that is insignificant. Since most services use closing numbers for their historic data, I find = that this smoothes out the intraday volatility and spikes. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:00 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV I see a handle starting on 9/28 (26.88 high) and going to today (high = 27.90). Or is that difference not enough to qualify as sloping upward? Ann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:53 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hi Ann, I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do see a high handle = forming over the past week. This market has been so beaten down in the = past 18 or so months that a lot of rules will be broken now that we have = not one, but two, very strong FT days. It will be very difficult to find = buyable bases for some time, I suspect. While a high handle is more prone to failure, it doesn't mean it = can't work out profitably. More risk, but the rewards can still be = there, especially when the fundies are so strong. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and isn't that = undesirable? I've been watching it, too. Ann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hi Stephanie, One member previously suggested the problem is the image is = minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display the ADV. I had = a similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change the pixel settings = in order to see all of the detail. Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger offer on the = table. CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings forecast for the = year (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving = the target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is = showing in the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy = earnings growth. And volume is drying up right now. KG also looks interesting, but not as strong as CYTC. On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some healthy fear. = Better that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It is trading at = very rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings = growth forecast for this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. = And the market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth = watching for a second entry. And, of course, there's never anything = wrong in taking a profit, especially in this market. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephanie Chicko=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Hey Ann, I never see the ADV on the ibd screen. It appears when I = print the chart. Go Figure? My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) = and MDCI Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) = Bought FHRX but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little = profit. Oh yeah also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las = Vegas :) Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. Steff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > Jans, Norman, > Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > : Ann: > : > : I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the = ADV (avergage > : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right = of the chart. > I'm > : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning = "9/11". > : jans > : > : > : > : > : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight = Time, > : annholly@mediaone.net writes: > : > : << Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the = upper right > corner of > : the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? >> >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C14DF0.28D7B6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ann,
 
I usually look at the closing numbers rather than = the intraday=20 highs. On that basis, the change is only 2.3%, to me that is=20 insignificant.
 
Since most services use closing numbers for their = historic=20 data, I find that this smoothes out the intraday volatility and=20 spikes.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ann=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 10:00=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM] ibd=20 ADV

I see a handle starting on 9/28 (26.88 high) and = going to=20 today  (high 27.90). Or is that difference not enough to qualify = as=20 sloping upward?
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 9:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV

Hi Ann,
 
I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do = see a=20 high handle forming over the past week. This market has been so = beaten down=20 in the past 18 or so months that a lot of rules will be broken now = that we=20 have not one, but two, very strong FT days. It will be very = difficult to=20 find buyable bases for some time, I suspect.
 
While a high handle is more prone to failure, it = doesn't=20 mean it can't work out profitably. More risk, but the rewards can = still be=20 there, especially when the fundies are so strong.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ann=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 9:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV

Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, = and isn't=20 that undesirable? I've been watching it, too.
 
Ann
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 9:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] ibd ADV

Hi Stephanie,
 
One member previously suggested the problem = is the=20 image is minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will = display the=20 ADV. I had a similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change = the=20 pixel settings in order to see all of the detail.
 
Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a = merger offer=20 on the table.
 
CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong = earnings forecast=20 for the year (up 39%), and thru the first six months was well = ahead of=20 achieving the target earnings for the year. Revenues growing = faster than=20 is showing in the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a = healthy=20 earnings growth. And volume is drying up right now.
 
KG also looks interesting, but not as strong = as=20 CYTC.
 
On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with = some=20 healthy fear. Better that than to be confident, cocky and = complacent. It=20 is trading at very rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite = the 139%=20 earnings growth forecast for this year even the projected PE is = very=20 high at 69. And the market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But = might=20 still be worth watching for a second entry. And, of course, = there's=20 never anything wrong in taking a profit, especially in this=20 market.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Stephanie=20 Chicko
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Friday, October = 05, 2001=20 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] ibd ADV

Hey Ann,
I never see the ADV on the ibd=20 screen.  It appears when I print the chart.
Go = Figure? =20 My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and = MDCI
Watching=20 CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) Bought=20 FHRX
but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a = little=20 profit. Oh yeah
also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed = money to go=20 to Las Vegas :)
Planning on doing some serious research = this=20 weekend.
Steff

----- Original Message -----
From: = "Ann"=20 <annholly@mediaone.net>
To= :=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM
Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 ibd ADV


> Jans, Norman,
> Thanks for the = feedback.=20 I'll contact ibd.
> ----- Original Message -----
> = <Spencer48@aol.com>
> To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM
> Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] ibd ADV
>
>
> : Ann:
> = :
>=20 :      I just called up CPRT on IBD's = page,=20 and it shows the ADV (avergage
> : daily volume) where = you said=20 it should- at the top right of the chart.
> I'm
> = : not=20 certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning = "9/11".
>=20 = :            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;  =20 jans
> :
> :
> :
> :
> : In a = message=20 dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> : annholly@mediaone.net=20 writes:
> :
> : << Does anyone know why ibd = no=20 longer has the ADV in the upper right
> corner = of
>=20 :  the daily charts? Has it been since 9/11? = >>
>=20 =
<= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C14DF0.28D7B6C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kruger Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 20:03:55 -0700 (PDT) It has always irritated me that "services" put restrictions on the use of "their" data. We all know where the data comes from -- traders buying and selling stocks, public financial statements, and well know mathematical algorithms. However, the law is the law. My suggestion is that posters stop saying where they get their data, and I certainly would not recommend a source of data that has a bad attitude. John © John Kruger, all rights reserved :<) --- Tom Worley wrote: > To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online > CANSLIM Discussion Group Members > > I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation > of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had > listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could > my service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for > unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well > intended practice. > > I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting > intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO > List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy > of mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel > differently. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 05 Oct 2001 21:34:30 -0600 My take on CYTC is that it MAY be forming a "high handle" just slightly above the previous 52 week high. I'm still watching it to see tho. At 09:39 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote: > Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and isn't that >undesirable? I've been watching it, too. Ann ----- Original Message >----- From: Tom Worley To: CANSLIM Sent: Friday, October 05, >2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > Hi Stephanie, One member previously suggested the problem is the >image is minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display the >ADV. I had a similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change the >pixel settings in order to see all of the detail. Don't know if >you noticed, but ILUM has a merger offer on the table. CYTC looks >interesting. Has a strong earnings forecast for the year (up 39%), and >thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving the target >earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is showing in the >earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings growth. And > volume is drying up right now. KG also looks interesting, but not >as strong as CYTC. On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with some >healthy fear. Better that than to be confident, cocky and complacent. It >is trading at very rich premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% >earnings growth forecast for this year even the projected PE is very >high at 69. And the market cap to sales ratio is over 13. But might >still be worth watching for a second entry. And, of course, there's >never anything wrong in taking a profit, especially in this market. > Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie Chicko > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 >8:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV >Hey Ann, > It appears when I print the chart. > My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI >Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) Bought FHRX >but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little profit. Oh yeah >also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas :) >Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. >Steff > >----- Original Message ----- > > >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM >Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > >> Jans, Norman, >> Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV >> >> >> : Ann: >> : >> I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV (avergage >> : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of the chart. >> I'm >> : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning "9/11". >> jans >> : >> : >> : >> : >> : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> : annholly@mediaone.net writes: >> : >><< Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper right >> corner of >> >> >> > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 05 Oct 2001 21:35:53 -0600 Well, I guess we agree on this chart Tom, I just posted a similar interpretation before reading yours. I guess I could have just replied and said "Ditto". MAt 09:53 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote: > Hi Ann, I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do see a high >handle forming over the past week. This market has been so beaten down in >the past 18 or so months that a lot of rules will be broken now that we >have not one, but two, very strong FT days. It will be very difficult to >find buyable bases for some time, I suspect. While a high handle is more >prone to failure, it doesn't mean it can't work out profitably. More risk, >but the rewards can still be there, especially when the fundies are so >strong. Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann To: >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:39 PM >Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and isn't that >undesirable? I've been watching it, too. Ann ----- Original >Message ----- From: Tom Worley To: CANSLIM Sent: >Friday, October 05, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: >[CANSLIM] ibd ADV > Hi Stephanie, One member previously suggested the problem is >the image is minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display >the ADV. I had a similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change >the pixel settings in order to see all of the detail. Don't >know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger offer on the table. > CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings forecast for the year >(up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving >the target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is showing >in the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings >growth. And volume is drying up right now. KG also looks >interesting, but not as strong as CYTC. On FHRX, there's >never anything wrong with some healthy fear. Better that than to be >confident, cocky and complacent. It is trading at very rich premiums, >trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings growth forecast for >this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. And the market cap >to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth watching for a >second entry. And, of course, there's never anything wrong in taking a >profit, especially in this market. Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie > Chicko To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, October >05, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] >ibd ADV >Hey Ann, > It appears when I print the chart. > My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI >Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) Bought >FHRX >but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little profit. Oh yeah >also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas :) >Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. >Steff > >----- Original Message ----- > > >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM >Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > >> Jans, Norman, >> Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV >> >> >> : Ann: >> : >> I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV >(avergage >> : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of the >chart. >> I'm >> : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning "9/11". >> jans >> : >> : >> : >> : >> : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> : annholly@mediaone.net writes: >> : >><< Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper right >> corner of >> >> >> > > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Maguire Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 20:43:11 -0700 --------------701DDA04C9745DD214C691FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow Tom .pretty heavy of the dgo [no caps on purpose] folks >>What happened to free speech ...some other service might have the same info? Keep up the good work. Best , Joe M. San Diego Tom Worley wrote: > To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM > Discussion Group Members I was served with legal notice this morning > that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data > on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was > warned that not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be > legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and > desist from my well intended practice. I felt then, and still feel > now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had > developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those > stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention. Obviously, > Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently. I would also > note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this > discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I > cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from > members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as > I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note > that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared > in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was > this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for > the article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used > for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a > copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they > steal our ideas. This legal notice I received again confirms to me > that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD > as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a > way, but I don't like the sneaky approach. The most upsetting part of > this for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when > a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my > email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal > standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball > bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to > make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up > over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every > major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or > IBD). Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue > reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and > observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this > group. But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along > with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening > tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of > reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I > will not make further recommendations to members to buy this service > and will look for alternative means to achieve the same > results. Sincerely, Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley --------------701DDA04C9745DD214C691FC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  Wow Tom .pretty heavy of the dgo  [no caps on purpose] folks >>What happened to free speech   ...some other service might have the same info?  Keep up the good work. Best , Joe M. San Diego

Tom Worley wrote:

To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online    CANSLIM Discussion Group Members I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice. I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently. I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas. This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach. The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD). Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results. Sincerely, Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
--------------701DDA04C9745DD214C691FC-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 23:08:04 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14E1C.7F984160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Tom, Very foolish move by dgo! Perhaps they should read the archives, and they would see that you have provided very good advertising for them. If anything they should be paying you, or providing you with a free subscription. Instead they have likely alienated the majority of the people on this list. I don't know what kind of degree if any Ms. McKnight may have, but if her degree is in marketing she should ask for a refund of her tuition. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM CANSLIM Discussion Group Members I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice. I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently. I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas. This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach. The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD). Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results. Sincerely, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14E1C.7F984160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi T= om,

 

Very foolish move by dgo!

 

Perh= aps they should read the archives, and they would see that you have provided ve= ry good advertising for them. If anything they should be paying you, or provid= ing you with a free subscription. Instead they have likely alienated the majori= ty of the people on this list. I don’t know what kind of degree if any M= s. McKnight may have, but if her degree is in marketing she should ask for a refund of = her tuition.

 

E

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 20= 01 7:57 PM
To: DGOnline Customer Servic= e; CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data

 <= /o:p>

To: <= strong>Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online

 = ;   CANSLIM Discussion Group Members

 = ;

I was= served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with= DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturd= ay. I was warned that not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice.

 = ;

I fel= t then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks tha= t I had reviewed and found worthy of mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and= her corporate counsel feel differently.

 = ;

I wou= ld also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged= as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intelle= ctual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury ne= eds to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas.

 = ;

This = legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of ba= ck handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach.

 = ;

The m= ost upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery = by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't hav= e my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standin= g, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I= was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading d= ays, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of sto= cks to DGO or IBD).

 = ;

Unles= s Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO Lis= t, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide e= ven minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this serv= ice and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results.

 = ;

Since= rely,

 = ;

Tom W= orley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14E1C.7F984160-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jay Oken" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 21:27:12 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C14DE4.7EF5BA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some of you who have been longer term members of this board know that I = stopped posting some months ago due to differences of opinions with = others on the board. However, my wife (Tracie) has continued to = subscribe to the board and I frequently read the posts. After reading = Tom's post, regarding DGO, I feel compelled to relate my experience. A few months ago there was a discussion on this board regarding DGO vs. = the High Growth Stock Investor software. Tracie and I were not happy = with the screening tools of DGO and decided to cancel our subscription = to DGO and subscribe to the High Growth Stock Investor. Upon canceling DGO we received an e-mail stating that we would receive a = refund of $367.15. Since we paid for a full year in advance I calculated = that our refund should be $420 which created a difference of $52.85. = After a few e-mails back and forth I discovered that they were using the = single month rate of $66.58 to calculate how much of our subscription = had been used up (however, based on the annual subscription at the time = of $720 the monthly rate we paid was actually $60) and they were = claiming that we only paid $700.05, rather than the $720 annual fee, = since they were deducting the trial subscription of $19.95 we signed up = for. On July 14, 2001 I sent them an e-mail stating "I have re-read the User = Agreement and nowhere do I find that it states that prorations will be = at the higher monthly rate." In addition, I pointed out that "On the = DailyGraphs.com web site, on the page titled Subscription Information, = it states the that $19.95 trial cost is "applied" toward your first = subscription payment. My subscription payment therefore was $720 which = was for an annual subscription". Not the $700.05 that they claimed = Finally, I also requested that "Daily Graphs Online cease their = inappropriate/deceptive/(illegal?) practices with respect to = cancellation prorations in light of what is advertised on the web site = and what is stated in the User Agreement." The bottom line of all this = is that the way they were calculating our refund was $52.85 less than it = should have been based on what the user agreement stated and what they = advertised on their web site. On July 18, 2001 I received an e-mail stating that my refund would be = adjusted to include the $52.85. I can only wonder how many other people = did not have appropriate refunds credited to them and what the total = benefit has been to DGO based on the number of cancelled subscriptions. P.S. I have copies of all the e-mails that I sent and received, as well = as my Visa Statement, to document this incident (and am willing to = provide them to Ms. McKnight if she asks for them). I have only stated = what I know to be facts but I would say Caveat Emptor to anyone looking = to subscribe to DGO or who is a subscriber to DGO. Sincerely, Jay Oken ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: DGOnline Customer Service ; CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of = my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed = in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my = service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well = intended practice. I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting = intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of = mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently. I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO = in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from = DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews = from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article = as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note = that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in = IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this = group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the = article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for = commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a = copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they = steal our ideas. This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is = being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that = is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the = sneaky approach. The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a = morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's = not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might = not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the = head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally = recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market = (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and = continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of = stocks to DGO or IBD). Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing = the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully = I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one = way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure = of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks = in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for = alternative means to achieve the same results. Sincerely, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C14DE4.7EF5BA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some of you who have been longer term = members of=20 this board know that I stopped posting some months ago due to = differences of=20 opinions with others on the board. However, my wife (Tracie) has = continued to=20 subscribe to the board and I frequently read the posts. After reading = Tom's=20 post, regarding DGO, I feel compelled to relate my = experience.
 
A few months ago there was a discussion = on this=20 board regarding DGO vs. the High Growth Stock Investor software. Tracie = and I=20 were not happy with the screening tools of DGO and decided to cancel our = subscription to DGO and subscribe to the High Growth Stock=20 Investor.
 
Upon canceling DGO we received an = e-mail=20 stating that we would receive a refund of $367.15. Since we paid = for a full=20 year in advance I calculated that our refund should = be $420=20 which created a difference of $52.85. After a few e-mails back and = forth I=20 discovered that they were using the single month rate of $66.58 to=20 calculate how much of our subscription had been used up (however, = based on=20 the annual subscription at the time of $720 the monthly rate we = paid was=20 actually $60) and they were claiming that we only paid $700.05, rather = than the=20 $720 annual fee, since they were deducting the trial subscription = of $19.95=20 we signed up for.
 
On July 14, 2001 I sent them an e-mail = stating=20 "I have re-read the User Agreement and nowhere do I find = that it=20 states that prorations will be at the higher monthly rate." In addition, = I=20 pointed out that "On the DailyGraphs.com web site, on the page titled=20 Subscription Information, it states the that $19.95 trial cost is = "applied"=20 toward your first subscription payment. My subscription payment = therefore was=20 $720 which was for an annual subscription". Not the $700.05 that they = claimed=20 Finally, I also requested that "Daily Graphs Online cease their=20 inappropriate/deceptive/(illegal?) practices with respect to cancellation prorations = in light=20 of what is advertised on the web site and what is stated in the = User=20 Agreement." The bottom line of all this is that the way they = were=20 calculating our refund was $52.85 less than it should have been = based on=20 what the user agreement stated and what they advertised on their web=20 site.
 
On=20 July 18, 2001 I received an e-mail stating that my refund would be = adjusted to=20 include the $52.85. I can only wonder how many other people did not = have=20 appropriate refunds credited to them and what the total benefit has = been to DGO based on the number of cancelled=20 subscriptions.
 
P.S. I have copies of all the e-mails that I sent and received, = as well=20 as my Visa Statement, to document this incident (and am willing to = provide them=20 to Ms. McKnight if she asks for them). I have only stated what I = know to be=20 facts but I would say Caveat Emptor to anyone looking to subscribe to = DGO or who=20 is a subscriber to DGO.
 
Sincerely,
Jay Oken
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: DGOnline Customer Service = ; CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 5:57=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance of=20 my posting DGO Data

To: Ms. Susan McKnight, = President, Daily=20 Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group=20 Members
 
I was served with legal notice this morning that I = was in=20 violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks = I had=20 listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could = my=20 service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized=20 use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended=20 practice.
 
I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did = was posting=20 intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List,=20 rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of=20 mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel=20 differently.
 
I would also note that despite my frequent and = strong=20 support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a = thank=20 you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought = interviews=20 from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the = article as I=20 never heard back from her once she got her information. I also = note that=20 there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD = shortly=20 after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group = credited or=20 acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me = that is=20 theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to = boot.=20 Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's = discussions, and=20 demand payment when they steal our ideas.
 
This legal notice I received again confirms to me = that this=20 group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I = guess=20 that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't = like the=20 sneaky approach.
 
The most upsetting part of this for me is getting = this=20 notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have = sufficed.=20 It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it = might=20 not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in = the head=20 with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally = recognized my=20 ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR = fund is up=20 over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every = major=20 index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or = IBD).
 
Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to = continue=20 reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and = observations.=20 Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with = this=20 "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued = failure of=20 DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version, and=20 the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG = books=20 rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to = members to=20 buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the = same=20 results.
 
Sincerely,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_0157_01C14DE4.7EF5BA40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 22:32:08 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:57 PM < Big snip> >> I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar >>discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the >>article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury >>needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas. >>This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by >>IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach. >> Tom, Bingo! Way too many times we have made very specific observations about the market only to have it published as a "how-to" in the Investors Corner. I have seen it with our examples of proven historical breakouts and on the discussions last year of follow-thru days. I'm tempted to go to the archives and pull out a few. I would suggest in the future, you do the same as them: take in the information from "ALL your sources" and then post it as your own observations of candidates - period. Several here have posted many good selections using HGS and Quotes Plus and TC2000. If some happen to show up in the Daily Graphs - so be it. One other thought: Given the length of the bear market we've had, I would guess the DGO has taken a beating in terms of subscription growth. Remember - canslim is really best as a bull market "system". It's easy to charge big money in a bull market for your data. I for one have refused to buy DGO up till now do to their lack of stock screening tools. I here this is changing. On a separate note to the lurking IBD editor here: how about IBD's take on the airline industry bailout? Won't touch that one with a ten foot pole eh? Oh that's right, "this time it's different". I'm waiting for the bailout of the manufacturing sector! (g) Thanks for your posts here Tom! -Bill Triffet - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kruger Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 22:38:55 -0700 (PDT) First, let me say that I am not a lawyer, but I have been in more than one legal battle over copyright. I assume that DGO’s claim would be based upon whatever agreement was “signed” when you subscribed to their service – that works. However, I do not know what their agreement says. As far as copyright goes, one can not copyright “facts”. One can claim that a sub-setting or gathering of “facts” is a unique representation and thus is copyrightable. To learn more than you want to know about such things, try: http://www.eff.org/CAF/law/multimedia-handbook John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 23:55:17 -0600 --=====================_42639494==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tom I was curious to see what Ms.McKnight was objecting to. I looked at your list with the DGO data and noted that the spreadsheet included EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR, and A/D. I went to the DGO web site and looked through the glossary and found the description for the Smartselect Corporate Ratings. It listed the 5 'proprietary data items'. They are EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR and A/D. Based on that I agree with what you concluded that you can still post your list but limit it to your observations and not include the other data. But I ain't no lawyer so that might even be too much. I'm sure they'll let you know. ;). Personally, I believe the real power of DGO is in the availability and presentation of the data. And as far as I'm concerned it's not just A/D, SMR, Grp Str or even EPS. It's the fact that with two pages they include just about everything else you need to know about a company. Of course if they'd made all that other data sortable then DGO would be really really powerful. ( I had to say that because now we know for sure someone is watching). And then it might be really worth what I'm paying for it. Even with the discount. I've looked at HGS several times and I honestly don't think I'd prefer that over DGO even as it is and how much it costs. But maybe I need to take a closer look at TC2000. At 08:57 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote: >To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online > CANSLIM Discussion Group Members > >I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my >agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my >DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be >discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I >will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice. > >I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual >property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only >those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention. Obviously, >Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently. > >I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in >this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I >cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from >members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I >never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that >there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD >shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group >credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. >To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial >purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this >group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas. > >This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being >monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some >kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach. > >The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning >delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like >they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have >the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with >a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my >ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is >up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every >major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD). > >Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the >entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can >at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" >policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO >to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and >the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books >rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members >to buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the >same results. > >Sincerely, > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley --=====================_42639494==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom

I was curious to see what Ms.McKnight was objecting to. I looked at your list with the DGO data and noted that the spreadsheet included EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR, and A/D. I went to the DGO web site and looked through the glossary and found the description for the Smartselect Corporate Ratings. It listed the 5 'proprietary data items'. They are EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR and A/D. Based on that I agree with what you concluded that you can still post your list but limit it to your observations and not include the other data. But I ain't no lawyer so that might even be too much. I'm sure they'll let you know. ;). Personally, I believe the real power of DGO is in the availability and presentation of the data. And as far as I'm concerned it's not just A/D, SMR, Grp Str or even EPS. It's the fact that with two pages they include just about everything else you need to know about a company. Of course if they'd made all that other data sortable then DGO would be really really powerful. ( I had to say that because now we know for sure someone is watching). And then it might be really worth what I'm paying for it. Even with the discount. I've looked at HGS several times and I honestly don't think I'd prefer that over DGO even as it is and how much it costs. But maybe I need to take a closer look at TC2000.

At 08:57 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote:
To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group Members
 
I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice.
 
I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently.
 
I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas.
 
This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach.
 
The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD).
 
Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results.
 
Sincerely,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
--=====================_42639494==_.ALT-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Quinn" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 23:44:03 -0700 This is absolutely remarkable. Their level of pettiness...shee. I think you should post you uncommonly restrained response to this list= now and then, for the benefit of new members who might be thinking of= subscribing to DGO. It seems that many members have come up with ways of= approximating what DGO offers (HGS, Quotes-Plus, etc). Our continued= exchange of this information will remind the lurkers from DGO that they= have lost more than they have gained by assuming such a hostile posture.= (Of course, they may tell themselves it is the principle...but in my= experience, the sort of pettiness they have demonstrated does not coexist= with any sort of principle decent folk might want to emulate.) Jack *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > >I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my >agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my >DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be >discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I >will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice. ......etc.... _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Quinn" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 05 Oct 2001 23:49:01 -0700 We could all pool our negative experiences and--yes, that's right--put it= on the web! Before long, DGO/IBD could look like the Scientology of= investment journalism! Jack > >P.S. I have copies of all the e-mails that I sent and received, as well as >my Visa Statement, to document this incident (and am willing to provide >them to Ms. McKnight if she asks for them). I have only stated what I know >to be facts but I would say Caveat Emptor to anyone looking to subscribe >to DGO or who is a subscriber to DGO. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI Date: 06 Oct 2001 03:21:00 -0700 I was on this list a few years back and just joined again. I always thought Tom's postings were of the highest quality and most informative I am sorry to hear it will end. Tom thanks for all the great info. I have never been inclined to get dgo due to the price but I have lost a bit of respect for the organization of dgo and ibd. Oh well I guess this is the world we live in. I have been following EASI, yesterday it got to the price I thought would be the entry point $54.50 so I took the plunge, of course this is probably the kiss of death for them. I have not seen to many people mention this particular stock. What am I missing? It looked perfect to me. As it turns out the stock came to a screeching halt the instant I got in. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Gammon" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 05:43:43 -0500 (CDT) The notice that Tom got seems to be in line with what ValueLine is doing with their data. A variety of stock selection screens have been developed outside of ValueLine that all use data from the Index and Summary section of ValueLine's publication. As ValueLine learns about new web sites and discussion groups that continue to publish the lists, the lawyers come in with their threats to shut them down. Sad, but seemingly unavoidable. Robert - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI Date: 06 Oct 2001 07:08:36 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C14E35.B7DF9140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't worry, Charlie, DGO can't block my right of free speech, I'll = still be posting, but restricted in some of the information I prefer to = put in front of members. And I will no longer be willing to give DGO = credits or free advertising. On EASI, prior to the 9/11 cowardly but well orchestrated attack on the = USA, this stock was in a serious decline, sliding from over 47 to 30. = Since then, it gapped up on expectations of new business from the = military. I would doubt any of that business has had time to materialize = in the form of contracts initiated since 9/11 given the bureaucracy of = government. Both earnings and sales had been stagnating (earnings only = grew 4 cents over past four qtrs, sales $5.9 million). And it now trades = at a high premium both trailing and projected. There have been a few defense oriented stocks you could have bot after = we resumed trading 9/17, but mostly you needed to already own them to = benefit from the war drums. Buying this one here is buying an extended = stock without a decent base yet established. If the expectations of new = military contracts works out short term, then it could be a winner. I = don't know enough about the company to guess on this. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 6:21 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI I was on this list a few years back and just joined again. I always = thought Tom's postings were of the highest quality and most informative I am = sorry to hear it will end. Tom thanks for all the great info. I have never been inclined to get dgo due to the price but I have lost = a bit of respect for the organization of dgo and ibd. Oh well I guess = this is the world we live in. I have been following EASI, yesterday it got to the price I thought = would be the entry point $54.50 so I took the plunge, of course this is = probably the kiss of death for them. I have not seen to many people mention = this particular stock. What am I missing? It looked perfect to me. As it = turns out the stock came to a screeching halt the instant I got in. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C14E35.B7DF9140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Don't worry, Charlie, DGO can't block my right of = free speech,=20 I'll still be posting, but restricted in some of the information I = prefer to put=20 in front of members. And I will no longer be willing to give DGO credits = or free=20 advertising.
 
On EASI, prior to the 9/11 cowardly but well = orchestrated=20 attack on the USA, this stock was in a serious decline, sliding from = over 47 to=20 30. Since then, it gapped up on expectations of new business from the = military.=20 I would doubt any of that business has had time to materialize in the = form of=20 contracts initiated since 9/11 given the bureaucracy of government. Both = earnings and sales had been stagnating (earnings only grew 4 cents = over=20 past four qtrs, sales $5.9 million). And it now trades at a high premium = both=20 trailing and projected.
 
There have been a few defense oriented stocks you = could have=20 bot after we resumed trading 9/17, but mostly you needed to already own = them to=20 benefit from the war drums. Buying this one here is buying an extended = stock=20 without a decent base yet established. If the expectations of new = military=20 contracts works out short term, then it could be a winner. I don't know = enough=20 about the company to guess on this.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 6:21=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance of=20 my posting DGO Data/EASI



I was on this list a few years back and just = joined=20 again. I always thought
Tom's postings were of the highest quality = and most=20 informative I am sorry
to hear it will end. Tom thanks for all the = great=20 info.
I have never been inclined to get dgo due to the price but I = have=20 lost a
bit of respect for the organization of dgo and ibd. Oh well = I guess=20 this is
the world we live in.
I have been following EASI, = yesterday it=20 got to the price I thought would
be the entry point $54.50 so I = took the=20 plunge, of course this is probably
the kiss of death for them. I = have not=20 seen to many people mention this
particular stock. What am I = missing? It=20 looked perfect to me. As it turns
out the stock came to a = screeching halt=20 the instant I got in.

Charlie



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-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C14E35.B7DF9140-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 07:32:57 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C14E39.1EE7E1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ms. McKnight acknowledged that my intentions were good and presumed an = oversight on my part (it wasn't, I considered what I posted to be = intellectual product, I had previously asked them if I could post the = entire list and was told no). The specific complaint was that "data is = identical to that found in the Work. For example, the posting contains = the same titles for each category of data, also the abbreviations and = figures for each stock are identical to those found in the Work". = Naturally, this is true since I delete from the downloaded spread sheet = those rows for stocks I did not find worthy of mention, leaving the = remaining data unchanged. Maybe if I deleted some of the lesser = important columns, and changed the column headings on the rest, and used = different stock symbols (didn't know they were copyrighted by DGO, did = you? Wonder if the exchanges have to pay them to use the symbols?), they = would be happy? I find DGO seriously deficient (and this includes the most disappointing = and long awaited beta version) in that it only considers the stocks = already prescreened for the DG books, and then does not make much of the = data sortable. I hung in there this long expecting the beta version to = finally provide at least minimally decent screening tools, it adds very = little, certainly nothing I would be willing to pay more for. As a major = upgrade, it didn't even make private first class in my book. I caused DGO no harm as I can see, certainly no more than they have = caused me by the charting service periodically not being available. I = posted static data on a limited number of dynamic stocks. Within a day = or two, the data would be different. Certainly no one would decide not = to subscribe because of my posting (unless they thought I am such a good = stock picker that they only needed my list and not DGO services). Having = been warned, I don't intend to persist in violating their copyright = according to their interpretation, so I do not expect further action on = their part. Nor has DGO Customer Service responded to my initial email, = and they are usually very quick to respond. Since this had nothing to do = with service, I suspect they passed this hot potato along to Ms. = McKnight. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Tom I was curious to see what Ms.McKnight was objecting to. I looked at = your list with the DGO data and noted that the spreadsheet included EPS, = RS, Grp Str, SMR, and A/D. I went to the DGO web site and looked through = the glossary and found the description for the Smartselect Corporate = Ratings. It listed the 5 'proprietary data items'. They are EPS, RS, Grp = Str, SMR and A/D. Based on that I agree with what you concluded that you = can still post your list but limit it to your observations and not = include the other data. But I ain't no lawyer so that might even be too = much. I'm sure they'll let you know. ;). Personally, I believe the real = power of DGO is in the availability and presentation of the data. And as = far as I'm concerned it's not just A/D, SMR, Grp Str or even EPS. It's = the fact that with two pages they include just about everything else you = need to know about a company. Of course if they'd made all that other = data sortable then DGO would be really really powerful. ( I had to say = that because now we know for sure someone is watching). And then it = might be really worth what I'm paying for it. Even with the discount. = I've looked at HGS several times and I honestly don't think I'd prefer = that over DGO even as it is and how much it costs. But maybe I need to = take a closer look at TC2000. At 08:57 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote: To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members =20 I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation = of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had = listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my = service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well = intended practice. =20 I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting = intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of = mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently. =20 I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO = in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from = DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews = from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article = as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note = that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in = IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this = group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the = article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for = commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a = copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they = steal our ideas. =20 This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is = being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that = is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the = sneaky approach. =20 The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a = morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's = not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might = not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the = head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally = recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market = (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and = continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of = stocks to DGO or IBD). =20 Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing = the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully = I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one = way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure = of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks = in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for = alternative means to achieve the same results. =20 Sincerely, =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C14E39.1EE7E1A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ms. McKnight acknowledged that my intentions were = good and=20 presumed an oversight on my part (it wasn't, I considered what I posted = to be=20 intellectual product, I had previously asked them if I could post the = entire=20 list and was told no). The specific complaint was that "data is = identical to=20 that found in the Work. For example, the posting contains the same = titles for=20 each category of data, also the abbreviations and figures for each stock = are=20 identical to those found in the Work". Naturally, this is true since I = delete=20 from the downloaded spread sheet those rows for stocks I did not find = worthy of=20 mention, leaving the remaining data unchanged. Maybe if I deleted some = of the=20 lesser important columns, and changed the column headings on the rest, = and used=20 different stock symbols (didn't know they were copyrighted by DGO, did = you?=20 Wonder if the exchanges have to pay them to use the symbols?), they = would be=20 happy?
 
I find DGO seriously deficient (and this includes = the most=20 disappointing and long awaited beta version) in that it only considers = the=20 stocks already prescreened for the DG books, and then does not make much = of the=20 data sortable. I hung in there this long expecting the beta version to = finally=20 provide at least minimally decent screening tools, it adds very little,=20 certainly nothing I would be willing to pay more for. As a major = upgrade, it=20 didn't even make private first class in my book.
 
I caused DGO no harm as I can see, certainly no more = than they=20 have caused me by the charting service periodically not being available. = I=20 posted static data on a limited number of dynamic stocks. Within a day = or two,=20 the data would be different. Certainly no one would decide not to = subscribe=20 because of my posting (unless they thought I am such a good stock picker = that=20 they only needed my list and not DGO services). Having been warned, I = don't=20 intend to persist in violating their copyright according to their=20 interpretation, so I do not expect further action on their part. Nor has = DGO=20 Customer Service responded to my initial email, and they are usually = very quick=20 to respond. Since this had nothing to do with service, I suspect they = passed=20 this hot potato along to Ms. McKnight.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 1:55=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

Tom

I was curious to see what Ms.McKnight was = objecting=20 to. I looked at your list with the DGO data and noted that the = spreadsheet=20 included EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR, and A/D. I went to the DGO web site = and looked=20 through the glossary and found the description for the Smartselect = Corporate=20 Ratings. It listed the 5 'proprietary data items'. They are EPS, RS, = Grp Str,=20 SMR and A/D. Based on that I agree with what you concluded that you = can still=20 post your list but limit it to your observations and not include the = other=20 data. But I ain't no lawyer so that might even be too much. I'm sure = they'll=20 let you know. ;). Personally, I believe the real power of DGO is in = the=20 availability and presentation of the data. And as far as I'm concerned = it's=20 not just A/D, SMR, Grp Str or even EPS. It's the fact that with two = pages they=20 include just about everything else you need to know about a company. = Of course=20 if they'd made all that other data sortable then DGO would be really = really=20 powerful. ( I had to say that because now we know for sure someone is=20 watching). And then it might be really worth what I'm paying for it. = Even with=20 the discount. I've looked at HGS several times and I honestly don't = think I'd=20 prefer that over DGO even as it is and how much it costs. But maybe I = need to=20 take a closer look at TC2000.

At 08:57 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you=20 wrote:
To: Ms. Susan McKnight, = President, Daily=20 Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group=20 Members
 
I was served with legal notice = this=20 morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting = the data=20 on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was = warned that=20 not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally = prosecuted=20 for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my = well=20 intended practice.
 
I felt then, = and still=20 feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had = developed.=20 I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I = had=20 reviewed and found worthy of mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight = and her=20 corporate counsel feel differently.
 
I would=20 also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this = discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I = cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from = members=20 of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I = never heard=20 back from her once she got her information. I also note that there = have been=20 numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after = similar=20 discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or = acknowledged=20 as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft = of=20 intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. = Maybe Jeff=20 Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and = demand=20 payment when they steal our ideas.
 
This=20 legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is = being=20 monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that = is some=20 kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the = sneaky=20 approach.
 
The most upsetting part = of this=20 for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a = simple=20 email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email = address,=20 after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I = also=20 don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was = thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money = even in a=20 solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six = trading=20 days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving = the list=20 of stocks to DGO or IBD).
 
Unless = Ms.=20 McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire = DGO=20 List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at = least=20 continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy = so=20 directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to = provide=20 even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the = continuing=20 limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather = than all=20 stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy = this=20 service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same=20 results.
 
Sincerely,
 
Tom = Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C14E39.1EE7E1A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 07:43:29 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C14E3A.97D9FD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ernie, That was part of their heavy handedness that upset me so. I have been an = avid supporter of DGO, a simple email would have been sufficient. I = think the service is good, to the degree that it presents a = comprehensive amount of data on a single security. But if I got a buck = for every time I have pointed out errors in their data, I would be = entitled to a free year just from that. It's not like I haven't helped = them, especially during their original beta period before going = commercial.=20 Only way I see for DGO to repair the PR harm done is for WON to be = available weekly for an online chat. Let us hear from the boss, and ask = him the questions directly that we presently wait for the monitors to = give to IBD to write an article about. I must admit, I would like to be a fly on the wall in the DGO offices on = Monday. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 12:08 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Hi Tom, =20 Very foolish move by dgo! =20 Perhaps they should read the archives, and they would see that you = have provided very good advertising for them. If anything they should be = paying you, or providing you with a free subscription. Instead they have = likely alienated the majority of the people on this list. I don't know = what kind of degree if any Ms. McKnight may have, but if her degree is = in marketing she should ask for a refund of her tuition. =20 E =20 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM To: DGOnline Customer Service; CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data =20 To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members =20 I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of = my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed = in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my = service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well = intended practice. =20 I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting = intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of = mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently. =20 I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO = in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from = DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews = from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article = as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note = that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in = IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this = group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the = article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for = commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a = copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they = steal our ideas. =20 This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is = being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that = is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the = sneaky approach. =20 The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a = morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's = not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might = not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the = head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally = recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market = (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and = continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of = stocks to DGO or IBD). =20 Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing = the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully = I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one = way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure = of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks = in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for = alternative means to achieve the same results. =20 Sincerely, =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso=20 Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the=20 use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20 If you have received this email in error please notify the=20 sender. ****************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C14E3A.97D9FD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ernie,
 
That was part of their heavy handedness that upset = me so. I=20 have been an avid supporter of DGO, a simple email would have been = sufficient. I=20 think the service is good, to the degree that it presents a = comprehensive amount=20 of data on a single security. But if I got a buck for every time I have = pointed=20 out errors in their data, I would be entitled to a free year just from = that.=20 It's not like I haven't helped them, especially during their original = beta=20 period before going commercial.
 
Only way I see for DGO to repair the PR harm done is = for WON=20 to be available weekly for an online chat. Let us hear from the boss, = and ask=20 him the questions directly that we presently wait for the monitors to = give to=20 IBD to write an article about.
 
I must admit, I would like to be a fly on the wall = in the DGO=20 offices on Monday.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hill,=20 Ernie
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 12:08=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

Hi=20 Tom,

 

Very=20 foolish move by dgo!

 

Perhaps=20 they should read the archives, and they would see that you have = provided very=20 good advertising for them. If anything they should be paying you, or = providing=20 you with a free subscription. Instead they have likely alienated the = majority=20 of the people on this list. I don’t know what kind of degree if = any Ms.=20 McKnight may have, but if her degree is in marketing she should ask = for a=20 refund of her tuition.

 

E

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Tom Worley=20 [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 7:57=20 PM
To: DGOnline = Customer=20 Service; CANSLIM
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data

 

To:=20 Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs=20 Online

    CANSLIM = Discussion=20 Group Members

 

I=20 was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of = my=20 agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in = my DGO=20 List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be=20 discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. = I will,=20 of course, cease and desist from my well intended = practice.

 

I=20 felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting = intellectual=20 property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather = only=20 those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention.  = Obviously,=20 Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently.

 

I=20 would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in = this=20 discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I=20 cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from = members of=20 this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never = heard back=20 from her once she got her information. I also note that there = have been=20 numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after = similar=20 discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or = acknowledged as=20 providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of=20 intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe = Jeff=20 Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and = demand=20 payment when they steal our ideas.

 

This=20 legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being=20 monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is = some=20 kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky=20 approach.

 

The=20 most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning = delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not = like they=20 don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the = same=20 legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a = baseball=20 bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to = make=20 good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% = in the=20 past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but = I'm not=20 giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD).

 

Unless Ms. McKnight further = objects, I=20 intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my = thoughts and=20 observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this = group.=20 But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with = the=20 continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in = the latest=20 beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those = stocks in=20 the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations=20 to members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to = achieve=20 the same results.

 

Sincerely,

 

Tom=20 Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley



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 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C14E3A.97D9FD40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: [CANSLIM] CYTC Date: 06 Oct 2001 09:32:09 -0400 Thanks, Earl, Tom, for feedback. Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:35 PM : Well, I guess we agree on this chart Tom, I just posted a similar : interpretation before reading yours. I guess I could have just replied and : said "Ditto". : : MAt 09:53 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote: : > Hi Ann, I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do see a high : >handle forming over the past week. This market has been so beaten down in : >the past 18 or so months that a lot of rules will be broken now that we : >have not one, but two, very strong FT days. It will be very difficult to : >find buyable bases for some time, I suspect. While a high handle is more : >prone to failure, it doesn't mean it can't work out profitably. More risk, : >but the rewards can still be there, especially when the fundies are so : >strong. Tom Worley : >stkguru@netside.net : >AIM: TexWorley : > ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann To: : >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:39 PM : >Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV : > Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and isn't that : >undesirable? I've been watching it, too. Ann ----- Original : >Message ----- From: Tom Worley To: CANSLIM Sent: : >Friday, October 05, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: : >[CANSLIM] ibd ADV : > Hi Stephanie, One member previously suggested the problem is : >the image is minimized. Try maximizing it and see if that will display : >the ADV. I had a similar problem with DGO, and found I had to change : >the pixel settings in order to see all of the detail. Don't : >know if you noticed, but ILUM has a merger offer on the table. : > CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong earnings forecast for the year : >(up 39%), and thru the first six months was well ahead of achieving : >the target earnings for the year. Revenues growing faster than is showing : >in the earnings, so they could be on track to beat a healthy earnings : >growth. And volume is drying up right now. KG also looks : >interesting, but not as strong as CYTC. On FHRX, there's : >never anything wrong with some healthy fear. Better that than to be : >confident, cocky and complacent. It is trading at very rich premiums, : >trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% earnings growth forecast for : >this year even the projected PE is very high at 69. And the market cap : >to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth watching for a : >second entry. And, of course, there's never anything wrong in taking a : >profit, especially in this market. Tom Worley : >stkguru@netside.net : >AIM: TexWorley : > ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie : > Chicko To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, October : >05, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] : >ibd ADV : >Hey Ann, : > It appears when I print the chart. : > My watches are few at the time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI : >Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet but like the numbers) Bought : >FHRX : >but got scared(What can I say) and sold it with a little profit. Oh : yeah : >also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed money to go to Las Vegas :) : >Planning on doing some serious research this weekend. : >Steff : > : >----- Original Message ----- : > : > : >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM : >Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV : > : > : >> Jans, Norman, : >> Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact ibd. : >> ----- Original Message ----- : >> : >> : >> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM : >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV : >> : >> : >> : Ann: : >> : : >> I just called up CPRT on IBD's page, and it shows the ADV : >(avergage : >> : daily volume) where you said it should- at the top right of the : >chart. : >> I'm : >> : not certain what you mean by your last sentence concerning "9/11". : >> jans : >> : : >> : : >> : : >> : : >> : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, : >> : annholly@mediaone.net writes: : >> : : >><< Does anyone know why ibd no longer has the ADV in the upper right : >> corner of : >> >> : >> : > : > : > : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watchlist Date: 06 Oct 2001 07:32:27 -0700 Peter, I bot a mutual (T Rowe Price Health Sciences) which holds some of these medicals instead of searching for individual stocks. This was last Mon. when they started moving as a group. Their top holding is AHMH... At 08:56 PM 10/5/2001 +0700, you wrote: >This what I am watching... > >AHMH Building a high handle >DP Looking for a pullback >DRMD >MEDM >PGR >PRX >USPH >WTFC Double bottom > >Peter > >"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 10:44:15 -0600 One thing to note here. If you own a copyright, and you knowingly allow someone, anyone actually, to violate the copyright repeatedly, this makes your copyright invalid. Sometimes you just need to make a few changes to the data so they are comfortable, but they do have to be careful. This is something we ran into in another area a few years back. At 07:32 AM 10/6/01 -0400, you wrote: > Ms. McKnight acknowledged that my intentions were good and presumed an >oversight on my part (it wasn't, I considered what I posted to be >intellectual product, I had previously asked them if I could post the >entire list and was told no). The specific complaint was that "data is >identical to that found in the Work. For example, the posting contains the >same titles for each category of data, also the abbreviations and figures >for each stock are identical to those found in the Work". Naturally, this >is true since I delete from the downloaded spread sheet those rows for >stocks I did not find worthy of mention, leaving the remaining data >unchanged. Maybe if I deleted some of the lesser important columns, and >changed the column headings on the rest, and used different stock symbols >(didn't know they were copyrighted by DGO, did you? Wonder if the >exchanges have to pay them to use the symbols?), they would be happy? I >find DGO seriously deficient (and this includes the most disappointing and >long awaited beta version) in that it only considers the stocks already >prescreened for the DG books, and then does not make much of the data >sortable. I hung in there this long expecting the beta version to finally >provide at least minimally decent screening tools, it adds very little, >certainly nothing I would be willing to pay more for. As a major upgrade, >it didn't even make private first class in my book. I caused DGO no harm >as I can see, certainly no more than they have caused me by the charting >service periodically not being available. I posted static data on a >limited number of dynamic stocks. Within a day or two, the data would be >different. Certainly no one would decide not to subscribe because of my >posting (unless they thought I am such a good stock picker that they only >needed my list and not DGO services). Having been warned, I don't intend >to persist in violating their copyright according to their interpretation, >so I do not expect further action on their part. Nor has DGO Customer >Service responded to my initial email, and they are usually very quick to >respond. Since this had nothing to do with service, I suspect they passed >this hot potato along to Ms. McKnight. Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI Date: 06 Oct 2001 13:37:57 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C14E6C.1C3A45A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Thanks for the information, I guess I thought all stocks were having a tough time long before the terrorist attack and I saw EASI as one of the bunch. Also electronic military, whatever industry group is doing well over the last five weeks which was before the attack. I guess it is live and learn. I will just set my stop high so I don't get to beat up. I am glad you will continue to post in a "non-offensive" to dgo manor. I doubt stock symbols are the property of dgo and all the other stuff is readily available in ibd and other sources. I have not been informed freedom of speech has been repealed just yet so again thanks for the great posts and I hope you will continue. Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 4:09 AM Don't worry, Charlie, DGO can't block my right of free speech, I'll still be posting, but restricted in some of the information I prefer to put in front of members. And I will no longer be willing to give DGO credits or free advertising. On EASI, prior to the 9/11 cowardly but well orchestrated attack on the USA, this stock was in a serious decline, sliding from over 47 to 30. Since then, it gapped up on expectations of new business from the military. I would doubt any of that business has had time to materialize in the form of contracts initiated since 9/11 given the bureaucracy of government. Both earnings and sales had been stagnating (earnings only grew 4 cents over past four qtrs, sales $5.9 million). And it now trades at a high premium both trailing and projected. There have been a few defense oriented stocks you could have bot after we resumed trading 9/17, but mostly you needed to already own them to benefit from the war drums. Buying this one here is buying an extended stock without a decent base yet established. If the expectations of new military contracts works out short term, then it could be a winner. I don't know enough about the company to guess on this. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Cangialosi To: Canslim Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 6:21 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI I was on this list a few years back and just joined again. I always thought Tom's postings were of the highest quality and most informative I am sorry to hear it will end. Tom thanks for all the great info. I have never been inclined to get dgo due to the price but I have lost a bit of respect for the organization of dgo and ibd. Oh well I guess this is the world we live in. I have been following EASI, yesterday it got to the price I thought would be the entry point $54.50 so I took the plunge, of course this is probably the kiss of death for them. I have not seen to many people mention this particular stock. What am I missing? It looked perfect to me. As it turns out the stock came to a screeching halt the instant I got in. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C14E6C.1C3A45A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom,
    Thanks for the information, I guess I thought = all stocks=20 were having a tough time long before the terrorist attack and I saw EASI = as one=20 of the bunch. Also electronic military, whatever industry group is doing = well=20 over the last five weeks which was before the attack. I guess it is live = and=20 learn. I will just set my stop high so I don't get to beat=20 up.
    I am glad you will continue to post in a = "non-offensive" to=20 dgo manor. I doubt stock symbols are the property of dgo and all the = other stuff=20 is readily available in ibd and other sources. I have not been = informed =20 freedom of speech has been repealed just yet so  again thanks for = the great=20 posts and I hope you will continue.
 
Charlie
       =20
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 4:09 = AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] OT:=20 Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data/EASI

Don't worry, Charlie, DGO can't block my right of = free=20 speech, I'll still be posting, but restricted in some of the = information I=20 prefer to put in front of members. And I will no longer be willing to = give DGO=20 credits or free advertising.
 
On EASI, prior to the 9/11 cowardly but well = orchestrated=20 attack on the USA, this stock was in a serious decline, sliding from = over 47=20 to 30. Since then, it gapped up on expectations of new business from = the=20 military. I would doubt any of that business has had time to = materialize in=20 the form of contracts initiated since 9/11 given the bureaucracy of=20 government. Both earnings and sales had been stagnating (earnings only = grew 4 cents over past four qtrs, sales $5.9 million). And it now = trades=20 at a high premium both trailing and projected.
 
There have been a few defense oriented stocks you = could have=20 bot after we resumed trading 9/17, but mostly you needed to already = own them=20 to benefit from the war drums. Buying this one here is buying an = extended=20 stock without a decent base yet established. If the expectations of = new=20 military contracts works out short term, then it could be a winner. I = don't=20 know enough about the company to guess on this.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 6:21=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data/EASI



I was on this list a few years back and just = joined=20 again. I always thought
Tom's postings were of the highest = quality and=20 most informative I am sorry
to hear it will end. Tom thanks for = all the=20 great info.
I have never been inclined to get dgo due to the = price but I=20 have lost a
bit of respect for the organization of dgo and ibd. = Oh well I=20 guess this is
the world we live in.
I have been following = EASI,=20 yesterday it got to the price I thought would
be the entry point = $54.50=20 so I took the plunge, of course this is probably
the kiss of = death for=20 them. I have not seen to many people mention this
particular = stock. What=20 am I missing? It looked perfect to me. As it turns
out the stock = came to=20 a screeching halt the instant I got=20 in.

Charlie



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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C14E6C.1C3A45A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mhboatman@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 14:13:52 EDT Tom, I am sorry to hear about this "attitude" from Ms. McKnight. I am sure she feels she is "corporate right." However, sometimes being right, and expressing it, may be the wrong thing to do. This was one example. I maybe a lurker here but I am also (and have been a long term) IBD and a DGO subscriber. The very fact that I subscribed in the first place was a direct result of your strong endorsement of DGO. However, I am un-impressed with the amount of service DGO provides for the cost. I like the service but.... without some sort of a screening program it is not worth the cost, period! Unfortunately, on lessor matters, I have had some less than friendly exchanges with the folks at both DGO and IBD. Their customer service level stinks! That plus their response to your efforts to help newbies and others (which was what caused me to subscribe to DGO in the first) is causing me to look for less expensive and better on line tools from other sources. I have never liked dealing with people that I can't respect. Ms. Mcknight thank you for causing me to rethink where I obtain my on-line investment data (DGO). Less you forget, it is your customers who pay for your presents there. And Tom, I thank you for your support. We all appreciate your willingness and ability to encourage the folks who watch this list. We do hope you will continue. Howard - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 14:07:40 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14E9A.2BAE2E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gee Whiz Tom, can't you get along with anybody? :-) -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM CANSLIM Discussion Group Members I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice. I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently. I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas. This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach. The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD). Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results. Sincerely, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stk= guru@netside.net]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 20= 01 7:57 PM
To: DGOnline Customer Servic= e; CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data

 

To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online<= /span>

    CANSLIM Discussion Group Members

 

I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my D= GO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be disconti= nued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice.

 

I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only t= hose stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently.

 

I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooper= ated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this gr= oup. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged= as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intelle= ctual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury ne= eds to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas.

 

This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monit= ored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of ba= ck handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach.

 

The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning deli= very by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't = have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. = And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good mon= ey even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving t= he list of stocks to DGO or IBD).

 

Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" poli= cy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this serv= ice and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results.

 

Sincerely,

 

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley



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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C14E9A.2BAE2E10-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Neal Frankle Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 12:55:20 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C14E66.28124040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also appreciate Tom's contributions. Tom...you fought the good fight! Neal ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Forant=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Tom =20 You should know not to play where the big dogs eat. Someone more than = likely turned you in. I appreciated what you were doing and the loyalty = to this group. To those from DGO and IBD monitoring this group, I like = TC2000, and your paper is not worth $1.25 on the newsstand, and = certainly not worth the subscription price. =20 DanF =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: DGOnline Customer Service ; CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation = of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had = listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my = service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well = intended practice. I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting = intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO = List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of = mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel = differently. I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO = in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from = DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews = from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article = as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note = that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in = IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this = group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the = article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for = commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a = copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they = steal our ideas. This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is = being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that = is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the = sneaky approach. The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a = morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's = not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might = not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the = head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally = recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market = (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and = continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of = stocks to DGO or IBD). Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing = the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully = I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one = way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure = of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks = in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for = alternative means to achieve the same results. Sincerely, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C14E66.28124040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also appreciate Tom's = contributions. =20 Tom...you fought the good fight!
Neal
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 7:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

Tom
 
You should know not to play where the = big dogs=20 eat. Someone more than likely turned you in. I appreciated what you = were doing=20 and the loyalty to this group. To those from DGO and IBD = monitoring this=20 group,  I like TC2000, and your paper is not worth $1.25 on the=20 newsstand, and certainly not worth the subscription = price.
 
DanF
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: DGOnline Customer Service ; CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 8:57=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

To: Ms. Susan McKnight, = President, Daily=20 Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group=20 Members
 
I was served with legal notice this morning that = I was in=20 violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those = stocks I had=20 listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only = could my=20 service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for = unauthorized=20 use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended=20 practice.
 
I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did = was=20 posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the = entire DGO=20 List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy = of=20 mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel = feel=20 differently.
 
I would also note that despite my frequent and = strong=20 support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received = a thank=20 you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought=20 interviews from members of this group. I don't know if she ever = posted the=20 article as I never heard back from her once she got her = information. I=20 also note that there have been numerous instances in which an = article=20 appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not = once=20 was this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or = idea for=20 the article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used = for=20 commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a = copyright=20 on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our=20 ideas.
 
This legal notice I received again confirms to = me that=20 this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as = well. I=20 guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I = don't=20 like the sneaky approach.
 
The most upsetting part of this for me is = getting this=20 notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have = sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. = Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't = need to=20 be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they = had=20 finally recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid = bear market=20 (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and = continues=20 to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to = DGO or=20 IBD).
 
Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to = continue=20 reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and = observations.=20 Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But = with this=20 "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued = failure=20 of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta = version,=20 and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the = DG=20 books rather than all stocks, I will not make further = recommendations to=20 members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to = achieve=20 the same results.
 
Sincerely,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C14E66.28124040-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 14:51:53 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0AC8_01C14E76.70408AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, do you have an email address for Ms. McKnight? Thanks in advance, Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: DGOnline Customer Service ; CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members ------=_NextPart_000_0AC8_01C14E76.70408AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom, do you have an email address for = Ms.=20 McKnight?
Thanks in advance,
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: DGOnline Customer Service = ; CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 = 7:57=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance of=20 my posting DGO Data

To: Ms. Susan McKnight, = President, Daily=20 Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group=20 Members
 
------=_NextPart_000_0AC8_01C14E76.70408AB0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 15:43:01 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C14E7D.950B2A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Howard, I actually think their customer service is pretty good, I get responses = from DGO late at night and on weekends, which is better than I get from = other services. Am I getting special treatment, or is this usual for = other DGO subscribers? I share your dissatisfaction with the lack of screening tools. So much = of CANSLIM evolves around being able to screen for watch list = candidates, yet the very source of authentic data refuses to give up the = tools we need, even for a price. Even with the beta version, all we get = are pre-packaged reports, which are limited to the stocks in the DG = books. For someone like me, who looks beyond price and liquidity = restrictions of DG books, this means I must find my candidates = elsewhere. DGO doesn't seem to care that I have contributed to their = subscribership, as you confirm I have done. They want to protect their = data, I guess they fear someone will not subscribe because I post data = on a dozen or so stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mhboatman@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Tom, I am sorry to hear about this "attitude" from Ms. McKnight. I am = sure she feels she is "corporate right." However, sometimes being = right, and expressing it, may be the wrong thing to do. This was one = example. I maybe a lurker here but I am also (and have been a long term) IBD = and a DGO subscriber. The very fact that I subscribed in the first = place was a direct result of your strong endorsement of DGO. However, I am un-impressed with the amount of service DGO provides for = the cost. I like the service but.... without some sort of a screening = program it is not worth the cost, period! Unfortunately, on lessor matters, I have had some less than friendly = exchanges with the folks at both DGO and IBD. Their customer service = level stinks! That plus their response to your efforts to help newbies = and others (which was what caused me to subscribe to DGO in the first) = is causing me to look for less expensive and better on line tools from = other sources. I have never liked dealing with people that I can't = respect. Ms. Mcknight thank you for causing me to rethink where I obtain my = on-line investment data (DGO). Less you forget, it is your customers = who pay for your presents there. And Tom, I thank you for your support. We all appreciate your = willingness and ability to encourage the folks who watch this list. We = do hope you will continue. Howard - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C14E7D.950B2A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Howard,
 
I actually think their customer service is pretty = good, I get=20 responses from DGO late at night and on weekends, which is better than I = get=20 from other services. Am I getting special treatment, or is this usual = for other=20 DGO subscribers?
 
I share your dissatisfaction with the lack of = screening tools.=20 So much of CANSLIM evolves around being able to screen for watch list=20 candidates, yet the very source of authentic data refuses to give up the = tools=20 we need, even for a price. Even with the beta version, all we get are=20 pre-packaged reports, which are limited to the stocks in the DG books. = For=20 someone like me, who looks beyond price and liquidity restrictions of DG = books,=20 this means I must find my candidates elsewhere.
 
DGO doesn't seem to care that I have contributed to = their=20 subscribership, as you confirm I have done. They want to protect their = data, I=20 guess they fear someone will not subscribe because I post data on a = dozen or so=20 stocks.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mhboatman@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 2:13=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

Tom, I am sorry to hear about this "attitude" from Ms.=20 McKnight.  I am sure she feels she is "corporate right."  = However,=20 sometimes being right, and expressing it, may be the wrong thing to = do. =20 This was one example.

I maybe a lurker here but I am also (and = have=20 been a long term) IBD and a DGO subscriber.  The very fact that I = subscribed in the first place was a direct result of your strong = endorsement=20 of DGO.

However, I am un-impressed with the amount of service = DGO=20 provides for the cost.  I like the service but.... without some = sort of a=20 screening program it is not worth the cost, = period!

Unfortunately, on=20 lessor matters, I have had some less than friendly exchanges with the = folks at=20 both DGO and IBD.  Their customer service level stinks!  = That plus=20 their response to your efforts to help newbies and others (which was = what=20 caused me to subscribe to DGO in the first) is causing me to look for = less=20 expensive and better on line tools from other sources.  I have = never=20 liked dealing with people that I can't respect.

Ms. Mcknight = thank you=20 for causing me to rethink where I obtain my on-line investment data=20 (DGO).  Less you forget, it is your customers who pay for your = presents=20 there.

And Tom,  I thank you for your support.  We = all=20 appreciate your willingness and ability to encourage the folks who = watch this=20 list.  We do hope you will = continue.

Howard

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-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C14E7D.950B2A60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 12:55:53 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C14E66.3B83AB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Tom, I was hoping for an email address too.........I for one have = been on the fence with HGS vs. DGO; this has helped a lot and I don't = mind telling somebody. Perry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Tom, do you have an email address for Ms. McKnight? Thanks in advance, Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: DGOnline Customer Service ; CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C14E66.3B83AB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, Tom, I was hoping for an email address = too.........I for=20 one have been on the fence with HGS vs. DGO; this has helped a lot and I = don't=20 mind telling somebody.
 
Perry
 
 
 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C14E66.3B83AB00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 17:48:30 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C14E8F.1C4BBCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, Gene, Perry, I don't have a specific address for Ms. McKnight. = But you could write CustService and ask them to forward it to her. Their = address is custserv@dailygraphs.com You could also try susan.mcknight@investors.com - or = susan.mcknight@dailygraphs.com - one of those might work. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Tom, do you have an email address for Ms. McKnight? Thanks in advance, Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: DGOnline Customer Service ; CANSLIM=20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online CANSLIM Discussion Group Members =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C14E8F.1C4BBCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, Gene, Perry, I don't have a specific address = for Ms.=20 McKnight. But you could write CustService and ask them to forward it to = her.=20 Their address is custserv@dailygraphs.com
 
You could also try susan.mcknight@investors.com= - or=20 susan.mcknight@dailygraphs= .com=20 - one of those might work.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 3:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

Tom, do you have an email address = for Ms.=20 McKnight?
Thanks in advance,
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: DGOnline Customer Service ; CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 7:57=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

To: Ms. Susan McKnight, = President, Daily=20 Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group=20 Members
 
------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C14E8F.1C4BBCE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 18:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Tom One way for IBD/DGO to buy your silence would be to hire you and make you sign a non disclosure agreement. They get what they want. You get paid for your service to them (error correction and software tester). The group would miss out-- but what do they care... Regards Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Hi Ernie, > > That was part of their heavy handedness that upset > me so. I have been an avid supporter of DGO, a > simple email would have been sufficient. I think the > service is good, to the degree that it presents a > comprehensive amount of data on a single security. > But if I got a buck for every time I have pointed > out errors in their data, I would be entitled to a > free year just from that. It's not like I haven't > helped them, especially during their original beta > period before going commercial. > > Only way I see for DGO to repair the PR harm done is > for WON to be available weekly for an online chat. > Let us hear from the boss, and ask him the questions > directly that we presently wait for the monitors to > give to IBD to write an article about. > > I must admit, I would like to be a fly on the wall > in the DGO offices on Monday. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hill, Ernie > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 12:08 AM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my > posting DGO Data > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Very foolish move by dgo! > > > > Perhaps they should read the archives, and they > would see that you have provided very good > advertising for them. If anything they should be > paying you, or providing you with a free > subscription. Instead they have likely alienated the > majority of the people on this list. I don't know > what kind of degree if any Ms. McKnight may have, > but if her degree is in marketing she should ask for > a refund of her tuition. > > > > E > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM > To: DGOnline Customer Service; CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my > posting DGO Data > > > > To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs > Online > > CANSLIM Discussion Group Members > > > > I was served with legal notice this morning that I > was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting > the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List > last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my > service be discontinued, but I could be legally > prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, > cease and desist from my well intended practice. > > > > I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did > was posting intellectual property I had developed. I > did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those > stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of > mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate > counsel feel differently. > > > > I would also note that despite my frequent and > strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I > have never once received a thank you from DGO. I > cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought > interviews from members of this group. I don't know > if she ever posted the article as I never heard back > from her once she got her information. I also note > that there have been numerous instances in which an > article appeared in IBD shortly after similar > discussions in this group. Not once was this group > credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or > idea for the article. To me that is theft of > intellectual property, and used for commercial > purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put > a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand > payment when they steal our ideas. > > > > This legal notice I received again confirms to me > that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, > and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind > of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't > like the sneaky approach. > > > > The most upsetting part of this for me is getting > this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a > simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they > don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it > might not have the same legal standing, but I also > don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball > bat. And here I was thinking they had finally > recognized my ability to make good money even in a > solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in > the past six trading days, and continues to beat > every major index, but I'm not giving the list of > stocks to DGO or IBD). > > > > Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to > continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting > my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at > least continue that service to this group. But with > this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, > along with the continued failure of DGO to provide > even minimal screening tools in the latest beta > version, and the continuing limitation of reports to > just those stocks in the DG books rather than all > stocks, I will not make further recommendations to > members to buy this service and will look for > alternative means to achieve the same results. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > > > ****************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it from > the ElPaso > Corporation are confidential and intended solely > for the > use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. > If you have received this email in error please > notify the > sender. > > ****************************************************************** > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! 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Maybe if I deleted some of the > lesser important columns, and changed the column > headings on the rest, and used different stock > symbols (didn't know they were copyrighted by DGO, > did you? Wonder if the exchanges have to pay them to > use the symbols?), they would be happy? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 19:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Jay Perhaps you should alert the FTC and your attorney general? Perhaps there may be basis for a class action? Kent --- Jay Oken wrote: > On July 18, 2001 I received an e-mail stating that > my refund would be adjusted to include the $52.85. I > can only wonder how many other people did not have > appropriate refunds credited to them and what the > total benefit has been to DGO based on the number of > cancelled subscriptions. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Date: 06 Oct 2001 19:13:36 -0700 (PDT) There you go again Tom, Infringing on those copyrighted "closing numbers"... Perhaps you could use "end of day" .... oops "closing data" .... oops "final data" .... oops "final prices" .... oops "close" .... oops Cynical Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Hi Ann, > > I usually look at the closing numbers rather than > the intraday highs. On that basis, the change is > only 2.3%, to me that is insignificant. > > Since most services use closing numbers for their > historic data, I find that this smoothes out the > intraday volatility and spikes. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ann > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > I see a handle starting on 9/28 (26.88 high) and > going to today (high 27.90). Or is that difference > not enough to qualify as sloping upward? > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > Hi Ann, > > I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do > see a high handle forming over the past week. This > market has been so beaten down in the past 18 or so > months that a lot of rules will be broken now that > we have not one, but two, very strong FT days. It > will be very difficult to find buyable bases for > some time, I suspect. > > While a high handle is more prone to failure, it > doesn't mean it can't work out profitably. More > risk, but the rewards can still be there, especially > when the fundies are so strong. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ann > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:39 PM > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, > and isn't that undesirable? I've been watching it, > too. > > Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: CANSLIM > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > Hi Stephanie, > > One member previously suggested the problem > is the image is minimized. Try maximizing it and see > if that will display the ADV. I had a similar > problem with DGO, and found I had to change the > pixel settings in order to see all of the detail. > > Don't know if you noticed, but ILUM has a > merger offer on the table. > > CYTC looks interesting. Has a strong > earnings forecast for the year (up 39%), and thru > the first six months was well ahead of achieving the > target earnings for the year. Revenues growing > faster than is showing in the earnings, so they > could be on track to beat a healthy earnings growth. > And volume is drying up right now. > > KG also looks interesting, but not as strong > as CYTC. > > On FHRX, there's never anything wrong with > some healthy fear. Better that than to be confident, > cocky and complacent. It is trading at very rich > premiums, trailing PE of 89 and despite the 139% > earnings growth forecast for this year even the > projected PE is very high at 69. And the market cap > to sales ratio is over 13. But might still be worth > watching for a second entry. And, of course, there's > never anything wrong in taking a profit, especially > in this market. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephanie Chicko > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd > ADV > > > Hey Ann, > I never see the ADV on the ibd screen. It > appears when I print the chart. > Go Figure? My watches are few at the > time: Missed ILUM (Boo) and MDCI > Watching CYTC, KG(which isn't close yet > but like the numbers) Bought FHRX > but got scared(What can I say) and sold it > with a little profit. Oh yeah > also traded CSCO(Non-canslim) We needed > money to go to Las Vegas :) > Planning on doing some serious research > this weekend. > Steff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:55 PM > Subject: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > > Jans, Norman, > > Thanks for the feedback. I'll contact > ibd. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV > > > > > > : Ann: > > : > > : I just called up CPRT on IBD's > page, and it shows the ADV (avergage > > : daily volume) where you said it > should- at the top right of the chart. > > I'm > > : not certain what you mean by your last > sentence concerning "9/11". > > : > jans > > : > > : > > : > > : > > : In a message dated 10/4/2001 8:46:38 > PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > : annholly@mediaone.net writes: > > : > > : << Does anyone know why ibd no longer > has the ADV in the upper right > > corner of > > : the daily charts? Has it been since > 9/11? >> > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! 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In a message dated 10/5/2001 9:57:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Hi Ann, I don't see an "upward sloping" handle, but I do see a high handle forming over the past week. This market has been so beaten down in the past 18 or so months that a lot of rules will be broken now that we have not one, but two, very strong FT days. It will be very difficult to find buyable bases for some time, I suspect. While a high handle is more prone to failure, it doesn't mean it can't work out profitably. More risk, but the rewards can still be there, especially when the fundies are so strong. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:39 PM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC Re: [CANSLIM] ibd ADV Isn't CYTC forming an upward sloping handle, and isn't that undesirable? I've been watching it, too. Ann >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 06 Oct 2001 22:50:58 EDT Dan: I like IBD and DG-online. The CANSLIM analyses and the data that they use is top drawer, in my opinion. The way they evaluate stocks is self-evidently superior-at least by those who follow CANSLIM. Otherwise, why even be in this group? What is slimy is that a DG lawyer (out of the blue) FedX's Tom with a legal warning. DG and IBD portray themselves as being for the investor. That is a laugh-at least it certainly deserves a horselaugh now. I guess DG has now contracted the "Boesky Contagion": Each is as sick as the other. And I suppose nowadays instead of calling a doctor to cure you, you scream for a lawyer in order that everyone can become as miserable. DG, and your endearing lawyer, "Consider yourselves a success"! jans In a message dated 10/5/2001 10:03:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dforant1@nycap.rr.com writes: << Tom You should know not to play where the big dogs eat. Someone more than likely turned you in. I appreciated what you were doing and the loyalty to this group. To those from DGO and IBD monitoring this group, I like TC2000, and your paper is not worth $1.25 on the newsstand, and certainly not worth the subscription price. DanF >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 07 Oct 2001 03:40:45 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C14EE1.D8FF4260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But what would I do then if Chrysler or Dupont should make the list? =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kent Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Perhaps reversing the letters in the stock symbol would satisfy them :-) Kent > For example, the posting > contains the same titles for each category of data, > also the abbreviations and figures for each stock > are identical to those found in the Work". > Naturally, this is true since I delete from the > downloaded spread sheet those rows for stocks I did > not find worthy of mention, leaving the remaining > data unchanged. Maybe if I deleted some of the > lesser important columns, and changed the column > headings on the rest, and used different stock > symbols (didn't know they were copyrighted by DGO, > did you? Wonder if the exchanges have to pay them to > use the symbols?), they would be happy? >=20 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just = $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C14EE1.D8FF4260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But what would I do then if Chrysler or Dupont = should make the=20 list?
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kent=20 Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 9:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

Perhaps reversing the letters in the stock = symbol
would=20 satisfy them :-)

Kent

<snip>
> For example, = the=20 posting
> contains the same titles for each category of = data,
>=20 also the abbreviations and figures for each stock
> are = identical to=20 those found in the Work".
> Naturally, this is true since I = delete from=20 the
> downloaded spread sheet those rows for stocks I = did
> not=20 find worthy of mention, leaving the remaining
> data unchanged. = Maybe if=20 I deleted some of the
> lesser important columns, and changed = the=20 column
> headings on the rest, and used different stock
> = symbols=20 (didn't know they were copyrighted by DGO,
> did you? Wonder if = the=20 exchanges have to pay them to
> use the symbols?), they would be = happy?
>=20 =
>

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Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kent Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Tom One way for IBD/DGO to buy your silence would be to hire you and make you sign a non disclosure agreement. They get what they want. You get paid for your service to them (error correction and software tester). The group would miss out-- but what do they care... Regards Kent Norman --- Tom Worley wrote: > Hi Ernie, >=20 > That was part of their heavy handedness that upset > me so. I have been an avid supporter of DGO, a > simple email would have been sufficient. I think the > service is good, to the degree that it presents a > comprehensive amount of data on a single security. > But if I got a buck for every time I have pointed > out errors in their data, I would be entitled to a > free year just from that. It's not like I haven't > helped them, especially during their original beta > period before going commercial.=20 >=20 > Only way I see for DGO to repair the PR harm done is > for WON to be available weekly for an online chat. > Let us hear from the boss, and ask him the questions > directly that we presently wait for the monitors to > give to IBD to write an article about. >=20 > I must admit, I would like to be a fly on the wall > in the DGO offices on Monday. >=20 > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Hill, Ernie=20 > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 12:08 AM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my > posting DGO Data >=20 >=20 > Hi Tom, >=20 > =20 >=20 > Very foolish move by dgo! >=20 > =20 >=20 > Perhaps they should read the archives, and they > would see that you have provided very good > advertising for them. If anything they should be > paying you, or providing you with a free > subscription. Instead they have likely alienated the > majority of the people on this list. I don't know > what kind of degree if any Ms. McKnight may have, > but if her degree is in marketing she should ask for > a refund of her tuition. >=20 > =20 >=20 > E >=20 > =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM > To: DGOnline Customer Service; CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my > posting DGO Data >=20 > =20 >=20 > To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs > Online >=20 > CANSLIM Discussion Group Members >=20 > =20 >=20 > I was served with legal notice this morning that I > was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting > the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List > last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my > service be discontinued, but I could be legally > prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, > cease and desist from my well intended practice. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did > was posting intellectual property I had developed. I > did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those > stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of > mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate > counsel feel differently. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I would also note that despite my frequent and > strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I > have never once received a thank you from DGO. I > cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought > interviews from members of this group. I don't know > if she ever posted the article as I never heard back > from her once she got her information. I also note > that there have been numerous instances in which an > article appeared in IBD shortly after similar > discussions in this group. Not once was this group > credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or > idea for the article. To me that is theft of > intellectual property, and used for commercial > purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put > a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand > payment when they steal our ideas. >=20 > =20 >=20 > This legal notice I received again confirms to me > that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, > and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind > of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't > like the sneaky approach. >=20 > =20 >=20 > The most upsetting part of this for me is getting > this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a > simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they > don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it > might not have the same legal standing, but I also > don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball > bat. And here I was thinking they had finally > recognized my ability to make good money even in a > solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in > the past six trading days, and continues to beat > every major index, but I'm not giving the list of > stocks to DGO or IBD). >=20 > =20 >=20 > Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to > continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting > my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at > least continue that service to this group. But with > this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, > along with the continued failure of DGO to provide > even minimal screening tools in the latest beta > version, and the continuing limitation of reports to > just those stocks in the DG books rather than all > stocks, I will not make further recommendations to > members to buy this service and will look for > alternative means to achieve the same results. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Sincerely, >=20 > =20 >=20 > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > ****************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it from > the ElPaso=20 > Corporation are confidential and intended solely > for the=20 > use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed.=20 > If you have received this email in error please > notify the=20 > sender. > =20 > ****************************************************************** >=20 >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Wouldn't work, Kent, they couldn't pay me enough for = that. The=20 only way they could hire me would be as a stock picker or a columnist, = and I=20 would insist on a clause to be allowed to give this group for free = what=20 they would be paying me for.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kent=20 Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 9:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

Tom

One way for IBD/DGO to buy your silence = would be=20 to
hire you and make you sign a non disclosure = agreement.

They get=20 what they want. You get paid for your service
to them (error = correction and=20 software tester). The
group would miss out-- but what do they=20 care...

Regards
Kent Norman


--- Tom Worley <stkguru@netside.net> = wrote:
>=20 Hi Ernie,
>
> That was part of their heavy handedness = that=20 upset
> me so. I have been an avid supporter of DGO, a
> = simple=20 email would have been sufficient. I think the
> service is good, = to the=20 degree that it presents a
> comprehensive amount of data on a = single=20 security.
> But if I got a buck for every time I have = pointed
>=20 out errors in their data, I would be entitled to a
> free year = just from=20 that. It's not like I haven't
> helped them, especially during = their=20 original beta
> period before going commercial.
> =
> Only=20 way I see for DGO to repair the PR harm done is
> for WON to be=20 available weekly for an online chat.
> Let us hear from the = boss, and=20 ask him the questions
> directly that we presently wait for the = monitors=20 to
> give to IBD to write an article about.
>
> I = must=20 admit, I would like to be a fly on the wall
> in the DGO offices = on=20 Monday.
>
> Tom Worley
> stkguru@netside.net
> = AIM:=20 TexWorley
>
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: Hill, Ernie
>   To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'= =20
>   Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 12:08=20 AM
>   Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of = my
>=20 posting DGO Data
>
>
>   Hi Tom,
> =
>   
>
>   Very foolish = move by=20 dgo!
>
>   
>
>   = Perhaps=20 they should read the archives, and they
> would see that you = have=20 provided very good
> advertising for them. If anything they = should=20 be
> paying you, or providing you with a free
> = subscription.=20 Instead they have likely alienated the
> majority of the people = on this=20 list. I don't know
> what kind of degree if any Ms. McKnight may = have,
> but if her degree is in marketing she should ask = for
> a=20 refund of her tuition.
>
>   
>=20
>   E
>
>   
>=20
>   -----Original Message-----
>   = Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
&g= t;  =20 Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM
>   To: = DGOnline=20 Customer Service; CANSLIM
>   Subject: [CANSLIM] OT:=20 Discontinuance of my
> posting DGO Data
>=20
>   
>
>   To: Ms. Susan = McKnight, President, Daily Graphs
> Online
>=20
>       CANSLIM Discussion Group=20 Members
>
>   
> =
>   I was=20 served with legal notice this morning that I
> was in violation = of my=20 agreement with DGO by posting
> the data on those stocks I had = listed in=20 my DGO List
> last Saturday. I was warned that not only could = my
>=20 service be discontinued, but I could be legally
> prosecuted for = unauthorized use. I will, of course,
> cease and desist from my = well=20 intended practice.
>
>   
>=20
>   I felt then, and still feel now, that what I = did
>=20 was posting intellectual property I had developed. I
> did not = post the=20 entire DGO List, rather only those
> stocks that I had reviewed = and=20 found worthy of
> mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her = corporate
> counsel feel differently.
> =
>   =20
>
>   I would also note that despite my = frequent=20 and
> strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I
> = have=20 never once received a thank you from DGO. I
> cooperated with a = reporter=20 from IBD, who had sought
> interviews from members of this = group. I=20 don't know
> if she ever posted the article as I never heard=20 back
> from her once she got her information. I also = note
> that=20 there have been numerous instances in which an
> article = appeared in IBD=20 shortly after similar
> discussions in this group. Not once was = this=20 group
> credited or acknowledged as providing the topic = or
> idea=20 for the article. To me that is theft of
> intellectual property, = and=20 used for commercial
> purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury = needs to=20 put
> a copyright on this group's discussions, and = demand
>=20 payment when they steal our ideas.
>
>    =
>=20
>   This legal notice I received again confirms to = me
>=20 that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO,
> and likely = by IBD=20 as well. I guess that is some kind
> of back handed compliment, = in a=20 way, but I don't
> like the sneaky approach.
>=20
>   
>
>   The most = upsetting=20 part of this for me is getting
> this notice in a morning = delivery by=20 Fedex when a
> simple email would have sufficed. It's not like=20 they
> don't have my email address, after all. Granted, = it
> might=20 not have the same legal standing, but I also
> don't need to be = hit in=20 the head with a baseball
> bat. And here I was thinking they had = finally
> recognized my ability to make good money even in = a
>=20 solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in
> the past = six=20 trading days, and continues to beat
> every major index, but I'm = not=20 giving the list of
> stocks to DGO or IBD).
>=20
>   
>
>   Unless Ms. = McKnight=20 further objects, I intend to
> continue reviewing the entire DGO = List,=20 and posting
> my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can = at
>=20 least continue that service to this group. But with
> this "one = way"=20 policy so directly demonstrated,
> along with the continued = failure of=20 DGO to provide
> even minimal screening tools in the latest = beta
>=20 version, and the continuing limitation of reports to
> just = those stocks=20 in the DG books rather than all
> stocks, I will not make = further=20 recommendations to
> members to buy this service and will look=20 for
> alternative means to achieve the same results.
>=20
>   
>
>   = Sincerely,
>=20
>   
>
>   Tom=20 Worley
>   stkguru@netside.net
> =  =20 AIM: TexWorley
>
>
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C14EE2.B108BD80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 07 Oct 2001 06:00:30 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C14EF5.5EF73D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the comments on the legal letter from DGO, I got a few = laughs, put things in perspective, now it's time to get back to CANSLIM. = I will continue to use stock symbols, even if DGO calls them = abbreviations and claims they have the copyright. I was calling them = stock symbols long before DG/DGO/ID/IBD even existed, so I have the = right. ------- ON "M" We have now had two quality and strong follow thru days in the past = week. In both cases, they met all requirements, and were on multiple = indexes as well. Both were better FT days than I can recall seeing in = nearly two years. All indexes are now above their September lows, some = above their April lows, and NYSE Financial substantially above the April = low. Volume has remained above average on most of the up days, and = generally light on the down days, giving back very little of the overall = gains. For the week, DOW 30 and S&P500 gained about 3% and NASDAQ gained = over 7%. I was surprised to see the Russell 2000 only gained 2.5% as my = VR fund, entirely comprised of small and micro caps, gained over 10%. = But I must admit it also made me feel good to beat this particular index = so solidly. I see a number of other small cap funds (real ones, that is) = that have done poorly this year. I am not sure why, so there may be a = message there for me and other lovers of small caps. Their time may be = passing as the market recovers and refocuses on mid to large cap stocks = once again. ------- ON ECONOMICS Prior to the cowardly attacks on September 11, the economy was showing = some signs of recovery. Consumer spending was increasing, as was = consumer debt. NAPM numbers, while still contracting, were doing so at a = much slower pace. There was strong evidence that the inventory = reductions needed were nearing an end. September sales on autos remains = strong, altho in part due the availability of interest free loans from = the dealers. Housing starts and sales appear to have weakened a little, = but are still strong historically. And the Feds have cut a full percent = off rates, altho it's not being reflected in mortgage rates to the same = extent. Fuel prices, after an initial spike, have fallen further and = appear to be stabilizing. The dollar weakened, but not as dramatically = as was feared. Inflation still is not an issue. The difficulty now lies = in assessing where we are, and where we are going, since the attacks. A = lot of the data is either prior 9/11, or is diluted by data since then. = It will take several months before we can fully assess the impact on the = economy. The President is meanwhile pushing an economic stimulus package = which, along with increased Defense spending, could provide short term = improvement. Some economists were operating these past several weeks out = of temporary sites, and lacking all their historical data which was lost = in the attack. It will take time for them to reconstruct that = information. Unemployment continues to rise, and likely still does not = fully reflect the damage done to corporate America by the attacks. Yet = this economy is not dead, it's recovery may have been delayed, but it = will happen. ------- WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES (from blended sources) Overall, I had substantially more candidates to consider this week than = last as the markets began to recover. These are the ones I think are = worth watching. Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO. Because of the new = strength in "M", I will include one week bases. PFFB - one week handle on the cup AHMH - B1 AROW - shallow cup formed, one week handle DORL - B1 handle on the cup ADVP - cup completed GG - B3, gold mining company APOL - double bottom, cup??, approaching the pivot GTY - B2 RYAN - cup completed, possible evidence of consumer spending post = attack? HRB - resuming its LLUR pattern FCN - LLUR PORT - did the left side of the cup pre-attack, right side post-attack, = pretty impressive for a bank WTFC - double bottom FSNM - B4+ THC - B1+ MYL - cup completed, forming handle RCGI - B3 ATPX - just had to mention this one, jumped another 4 bucks Friday, my = big winner in my VR fund, up 94% now in 3 weeks, extended to say the = least, could have been bot post-attack just over $10, trailing PE still = only 17 PRSP - B1 CAH - handle forming ANSS - cup completed and back to a six week pre-attack base SWWC - one week handle on the cup, low priced utility SAFM - B5+, chicken producer CRFT - recovered to above pre-attack base CYTC - B1 BDX - B1+ EPIQ - may be consolidating its 40% gains in the past three weeks XRAY - B1 JNJ - consolidation along the $55 line, including a gap up pre-attack MIMS - cup complete, forming high handle?, volume on right side of cup = low STJ - one week handle on the cup Happy Hunting, now that "M" says to buy God Bless America, and its integral strength, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C14EF5.5EF73D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for all the comments on the legal letter from = DGO, I=20 got a few laughs, put things in perspective, now it's time to get back = to=20 CANSLIM. I will continue to use stock symbols, even if DGO calls them=20 abbreviations and claims they have the copyright. I was calling them = stock=20 symbols long before DG/DGO/ID/IBD even existed, so I have the = right.
ON "M"
We have now had two quality and strong follow thru days in the past = week.=20 In both cases, they met all requirements, and were on multiple indexes = as well.=20 Both were better FT days than I can recall seeing in nearly two years. = All=20 indexes are now above their September lows, some above their April lows, = and=20 NYSE Financial substantially above the April low. Volume has remained = above=20 average on most of the up days, and generally light on the down days, = giving=20 back very little of the overall gains. For the week, DOW 30 and = S&P500=20 gained about 3% and NASDAQ gained over 7%. I was surprised to see the = Russell=20 2000 only gained 2.5% as my VR fund, entirely comprised of small and = micro caps,=20 gained over 10%. But I must admit it also made me feel good to beat this = particular index so solidly. I see a number of other small cap funds = (real ones,=20 that is) that have done poorly this year. I am not sure why, so there = may be a=20 message there for me and other lovers of small caps. Their time may be = passing=20 as the market recovers and refocuses on mid to large cap stocks once=20 again.
ON ECONOMICS
Prior to the cowardly attacks on September 11, the economy was = showing some=20 signs of recovery. Consumer spending was increasing, as was consumer = debt. NAPM=20 numbers, while still contracting, were doing so at a much slower pace. = There was=20 strong evidence that the inventory reductions needed were nearing an = end.=20 September sales on autos remains strong, altho in part due the = availability of=20 interest free loans from the dealers. Housing starts and sales appear to = have=20 weakened a little, but are still strong historically. And the Feds have = cut a=20 full percent off rates, altho it's not being reflected in mortgage rates = to the=20 same extent. Fuel prices, after an initial spike, have fallen further = and appear=20 to be stabilizing. The dollar weakened, but not as dramatically as was = feared.=20 Inflation still is not an issue. The difficulty now lies in assessing = where we=20 are, and where we are going, since the attacks. A lot of the data is = either=20 prior 9/11, or is diluted by data since then. It will take several = months before=20 we can fully assess the impact on the economy. The President is = meanwhile=20 pushing an economic stimulus package which, along with increased Defense = spending, could provide short term improvement. Some economists were = operating=20 these past several weeks out of temporary sites, and lacking all their=20 historical data which was lost in the attack. It will take time for them = to=20 reconstruct that information. Unemployment continues to rise, and likely = still=20 does not fully reflect the damage done to corporate America by the = attacks. Yet=20 this economy is not dead, it's recovery may have been delayed, but it = will=20 happen.
WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES (from blended = sources)
 
Overall, I had substantially more candidates to consider this week = than=20 last as the markets began to recover. These are the ones I think are = worth=20 watching.
 
Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO. Because of the new = strength=20 in "M", I will include one week bases.
 
PFFB - one week handle on the cup
AHMH - B1
AROW - shallow cup formed, one week handle
DORL - B1 handle on the cup
ADVP - cup completed
GG - B3, gold mining company
APOL - double bottom, cup??, approaching the pivot
GTY - B2
RYAN - cup completed, possible evidence of consumer spending post=20 attack?
HRB - resuming its LLUR pattern
FCN - LLUR
PORT - did the left side of the cup pre-attack, right side = post-attack,=20 pretty impressive for a bank
WTFC - double bottom
FSNM - B4+
THC - B1+
MYL - cup completed, forming handle
RCGI - B3
ATPX - just had to mention this one, jumped another 4 bucks Friday, = my big=20 winner in my VR fund, up 94% now in 3 weeks, extended to say the least, = could=20 have been bot post-attack just over $10, trailing PE still only 17
PRSP - B1
CAH - handle forming
ANSS - cup completed and back to a six week pre-attack base
SWWC - one week handle on the cup, low priced utility
SAFM - B5+, chicken producer
CRFT - recovered to above pre-attack base
CYTC - B1
BDX - B1+
EPIQ - may be consolidating its 40% gains in the past three = weeks
XRAY - B1
JNJ - consolidation along the $55 line, including a gap up = pre-attack
MIMS - cup complete, forming high handle?, volume on right side of = cup=20 low
STJ - one week handle on the cup
 
Happy Hunting, now that "M" says to buy
 
God Bless America, and its integral = strength,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C14EF5.5EF73D60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Fw: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 07 Oct 2001 07:20:39 -0400 : : Unfortunately, on lessor matters, I have had some less than friendly exchanges with the folks at both DGO and IBD. Their customer service level stinks! : : Howard : I have to say that I have had punctual, frequent, and very polite responses from IBD about software issues I have been having. And, as Tom said, they have gotten back to me late at night and all weekend--sometimes within minutes of when I emailed them. They have been very patient with my slow learning curve! 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GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. : http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 07 Oct 2001 11:49:26 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C14F26.1D776500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Great list. Just a quick question, it appears to me that AHMH, THC and CYTC (or should we use our secret decoder rings, to create new names for these companies) are forming handles, you listed them as B1, what am I missing? Thanks Charlie -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:01 AM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Thanks for all the comments on the legal letter from DGO, I got a few laughs, put things in perspective, now it's time to get back to CANSLIM. I will continue to use stock symbols, even if DGO calls them abbreviations and claims they have the copyright. I was calling them stock symbols long before DG/DGO/ID/IBD even existed, so I have the right. -- ON "M" We have now had two quality and strong follow thru days in the past week. In both cases, they met all requirements, and were on multiple indexes as well. Both were better FT days than I can recall seeing in nearly two years. All indexes are now above their September lows, some above their April lows, and NYSE Financial substantially above the April low. Volume has remained above average on most of the up days, and generally light on the down days, giving back very little of the overall gains. For the week, DOW 30 and S&P500 gained about 3% and NASDAQ gained over 7%. I was surprised to see the Russell 2000 only gained 2.5% as my VR fund, entirely comprised of small and micro caps, gained over 10%. But I must admit it also made me feel good to beat this particular index so solidly. I see a number of other small cap funds (real ones, that is) that have done poorly this year. I am not sure why, so there may be a message there for me and other lovers of small caps. Their time may be passing as the market recovers and refocuses on mid to large cap stocks once again. -- ON ECONOMICS Prior to the cowardly attacks on September 11, the economy was showing some signs of recovery. Consumer spending was increasing, as was consumer debt. NAPM numbers, while still contracting, were doing so at a much slower pace. There was strong evidence that the inventory reductions needed were nearing an end. September sales on autos remains strong, altho in part due the availability of interest free loans from the dealers. Housing starts and sales appear to have weakened a little, but are still strong historically. And the Feds have cut a full percent off rates, altho it's not being reflected in mortgage rates to the same extent. Fuel prices, after an initial spike, have fallen further and appear to be stabilizing. The dollar weakened, but not as dramatically as was feared. Inflation still is not an issue. The difficulty now lies in assessing where we are, and where we are going, since the attacks. A lot of the data is either prior 9/11, or is diluted by data since then. It will take several months before we can fully assess the impact on the economy. The President is meanwhile pushing an economic stimulus package which, along with increased Defense spending, could provide short term improvement. Some economists were operating these past several weeks out of temporary sites, and lacking all their historical data which was lost in the attack. It will take time for them to reconstruct that information. Unemployment continues to rise, and likely still does not fully reflect the damage done to corporate America by the attacks. Yet this economy is not dead, it's recovery may have been delayed, but it will happen. -- WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES (from blended sources) Overall, I had substantially more candidates to consider this week than last as the markets began to recover. These are the ones I think are worth watching. Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO. Because of the new strength in "M", I will include one week bases. PFFB - one week handle on the cup AHMH - B1 AROW - shallow cup formed, one week handle DORL - B1 handle on the cup ADVP - cup completed GG - B3, gold mining company APOL - double bottom, cup??, approaching the pivot GTY - B2 RYAN - cup completed, possible evidence of consumer spending post attack? HRB - resuming its LLUR pattern FCN - LLUR PORT - did the left side of the cup pre-attack, right side post-attack, pretty impressive for a bank WTFC - double bottom FSNM - B4+ THC - B1+ MYL - cup completed, forming handle RCGI - B3 ATPX - just had to mention this one, jumped another 4 bucks Friday, my big winner in my VR fund, up 94% now in 3 weeks, extended to say the least, could have been bot post-attack just over $10, trailing PE still only 17 PRSP - B1 CAH - handle forming ANSS - cup completed and back to a six week pre-attack base SWWC - one week handle on the cup, low priced utility SAFM - B5+, chicken producer CRFT - recovered to above pre-attack base CYTC - B1 BDX - B1+ EPIQ - may be consolidating its 40% gains in the past three weeks XRAY - B1 JNJ - consolidation along the $55 line, including a gap up pre-attack MIMS - cup complete, forming high handle?, volume on right side of cup low STJ - one week handle on the cup Happy Hunting, now that "M" says to buy God Bless America, and its integral strength, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C14F26.1D776500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom,
    Great list. Just a quick question, it appears = to me that=20 AHMH, THC and CYTC (or should we use our secret decoder = rings, to=20 create new names for these companies) are forming handles, you = listed them=20 as B1, what am I missing?
 
Thanks
Charlie
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:01 AM
To:=20 CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend=20 Weeview

Thanks for all the comments on the legal letter = from DGO, I=20 got a few laughs, put things in perspective, now it's time to get back = to=20 CANSLIM. I will continue to use stock symbols, even if DGO calls them=20 abbreviations and claims they have the copyright. I was calling them = stock=20 symbols long before DG/DGO/ID/IBD even existed, so I have the = right.
ON "M"
We have now had two quality and strong follow thru days in the = past week.=20 In both cases, they met all requirements, and were on multiple indexes = as=20 well. Both were better FT days than I can recall seeing in nearly two = years.=20 All indexes are now above their September lows, some above their April = lows,=20 and NYSE Financial substantially above the April low. Volume has = remained=20 above average on most of the up days, and generally light on the down = days,=20 giving back very little of the overall gains. For the week, DOW 30 and = S&P500 gained about 3% and NASDAQ gained over 7%. I was surprised = to see=20 the Russell 2000 only gained 2.5% as my VR fund, entirely comprised of = small=20 and micro caps, gained over 10%. But I must admit it also made me feel = good to=20 beat this particular index so solidly. I see a number of other small = cap funds=20 (real ones, that is) that have done poorly this year. I am not sure = why, so=20 there may be a message there for me and other lovers of small caps. = Their time=20 may be passing as the market recovers and refocuses on mid to large = cap stocks=20 once again.
ON ECONOMICS
Prior to the cowardly attacks on September 11, the economy was = showing=20 some signs of recovery. Consumer spending was increasing, as was = consumer=20 debt. NAPM numbers, while still contracting, were doing so at a much = slower=20 pace. There was strong evidence that the inventory reductions needed = were=20 nearing an end. September sales on autos remains strong, altho in part = due the=20 availability of interest free loans from the dealers. Housing starts = and sales=20 appear to have weakened a little, but are still strong historically. = And the=20 Feds have cut a full percent off rates, altho it's not being reflected = in=20 mortgage rates to the same extent. Fuel prices, after an initial = spike, have=20 fallen further and appear to be stabilizing. The dollar weakened, but = not as=20 dramatically as was feared. Inflation still is not an issue. The = difficulty=20 now lies in assessing where we are, and where we are going, since the = attacks.=20 A lot of the data is either prior 9/11, or is diluted by data since = then. It=20 will take several months before we can fully assess the impact on the = economy.=20 The President is meanwhile pushing an economic stimulus package which, = along=20 with increased Defense spending, could provide short term improvement. = Some=20 economists were operating these past several weeks out of temporary = sites, and=20 lacking all their historical data which was lost in the attack. It = will take=20 time for them to reconstruct that information. Unemployment continues = to rise,=20 and likely still does not fully reflect the damage done to corporate = America=20 by the attacks. Yet this economy is not dead, it's recovery may have = been=20 delayed, but it will happen.
WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES (from blended = sources)
 
Overall, I had substantially more candidates to consider this = week than=20 last as the markets began to recover. These are the ones I think are = worth=20 watching.
 
Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO. Because of the new = strength in "M", I will include one week bases.
 
PFFB - one week handle on the cup
AHMH - B1
AROW - shallow cup formed, one week handle
DORL - B1 handle on the cup
ADVP - cup completed
GG - B3, gold mining company
APOL - double bottom, cup??, approaching the pivot
GTY - B2
RYAN - cup completed, possible evidence of consumer spending post = attack?
HRB - resuming its LLUR pattern
FCN - LLUR
PORT - did the left side of the cup pre-attack, right side = post-attack,=20 pretty impressive for a bank
WTFC - double bottom
FSNM - B4+
THC - B1+
MYL - cup completed, forming handle
RCGI - B3
ATPX - just had to mention this one, jumped another 4 bucks = Friday, my=20 big winner in my VR fund, up 94% now in 3 weeks, extended to say the = least,=20 could have been bot post-attack just over $10, trailing PE still only = 17
PRSP - B1
CAH - handle forming
ANSS - cup completed and back to a six week pre-attack base
SWWC - one week handle on the cup, low priced utility
SAFM - B5+, chicken producer
CRFT - recovered to above pre-attack base
CYTC - B1
BDX - B1+
EPIQ - may be consolidating its 40% gains in the past three = weeks
XRAY - B1
JNJ - consolidation along the $55 line, including a gap up=20 pre-attack
MIMS - cup complete, forming high handle?, volume on right side = of cup=20 low
STJ - one week handle on the cup
 
Happy Hunting, now that "M" says to = buy
 
God Bless America, and its integral = strength,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C14F26.1D776500-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 07 Oct 2001 12:47:40 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C14F2E.40B9E8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's not names that are copyrighted, it's abbreviations, Charlie!!! = Rotate your secret decoder ring two clicks to the left! I didn't see a cup on these, hence I called it a simple B1. FWIW, I just finished entering 13 sell orders on my VR fund, the dogs = that have shown no sign of recovery are heading to the kennels. I want = to be in a strong cash position for next week. Only buy orders I entered = are on my top performers. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 2:49 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Tom, Great list. Just a quick question, it appears to me that AHMH, THC = and CYTC (or should we use our secret decoder rings, to create new names = for these companies) are forming handles, you listed them as B1, what am = I missing? =20 Thanks Charlie =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:01 AM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Thanks for all the comments on the legal letter from DGO, I got a = few laughs, put things in perspective, now it's time to get back to = CANSLIM. I will continue to use stock symbols, even if DGO calls them = abbreviations and claims they have the copyright. I was calling them = stock symbols long before DG/DGO/ID/IBD even existed, so I have the = right. --- ON "M" We have now had two quality and strong follow thru days in the past = week. In both cases, they met all requirements, and were on multiple = indexes as well. Both were better FT days than I can recall seeing in = nearly two years. All indexes are now above their September lows, some = above their April lows, and NYSE Financial substantially above the April = low. Volume has remained above average on most of the up days, and = generally light on the down days, giving back very little of the overall = gains. For the week, DOW 30 and S&P500 gained about 3% and NASDAQ gained = over 7%. I was surprised to see the Russell 2000 only gained 2.5% as my = VR fund, entirely comprised of small and micro caps, gained over 10%. = But I must admit it also made me feel good to beat this particular index = so solidly. I see a number of other small cap funds (real ones, that is) = that have done poorly this year. I am not sure why, so there may be a = message there for me and other lovers of small caps. Their time may be = passing as the market recovers and refocuses on mid to large cap stocks = once again. --- ON ECONOMICS Prior to the cowardly attacks on September 11, the economy was = showing some signs of recovery. Consumer spending was increasing, as was = consumer debt. NAPM numbers, while still contracting, were doing so at a = much slower pace. There was strong evidence that the inventory = reductions needed were nearing an end. September sales on autos remains = strong, altho in part due the availability of interest free loans from = the dealers. Housing starts and sales appear to have weakened a little, = but are still strong historically. And the Feds have cut a full percent = off rates, altho it's not being reflected in mortgage rates to the same = extent. Fuel prices, after an initial spike, have fallen further and = appear to be stabilizing. The dollar weakened, but not as dramatically = as was feared. Inflation still is not an issue. The difficulty now lies = in assessing where we are, and where we are going, since the attacks. A = lot of the data is either prior 9/11, or is diluted by data since then. = It will take several months before we can fully assess the impact on the = economy. The President is meanwhile pushing an economic stimulus package = which, along with increased Defense spending, could provide short term = improvement. Some economists were operating these past several weeks out = of temporary sites, and lacking all their historical data which was lost = in the attack. It will take time for them to reconstruct that = information. Unemployment continues to rise, and likely still does not = fully reflect the damage done to corporate America by the attacks. Yet = this economy is not dead, it's recovery may have been delayed, but it = will happen. --- WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES (from blended sources) Overall, I had substantially more candidates to consider this week = than last as the markets began to recover. These are the ones I think = are worth watching. Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO. Because of the new = strength in "M", I will include one week bases. PFFB - one week handle on the cup AHMH - B1 AROW - shallow cup formed, one week handle DORL - B1 handle on the cup ADVP - cup completed GG - B3, gold mining company APOL - double bottom, cup??, approaching the pivot GTY - B2 RYAN - cup completed, possible evidence of consumer spending post = attack? HRB - resuming its LLUR pattern FCN - LLUR PORT - did the left side of the cup pre-attack, right side = post-attack, pretty impressive for a bank WTFC - double bottom FSNM - B4+ THC - B1+ MYL - cup completed, forming handle RCGI - B3 ATPX - just had to mention this one, jumped another 4 bucks Friday, = my big winner in my VR fund, up 94% now in 3 weeks, extended to say the = least, could have been bot post-attack just over $10, trailing PE still = only 17 PRSP - B1 CAH - handle forming ANSS - cup completed and back to a six week pre-attack base SWWC - one week handle on the cup, low priced utility SAFM - B5+, chicken producer CRFT - recovered to above pre-attack base CYTC - B1 BDX - B1+ EPIQ - may be consolidating its 40% gains in the past three weeks XRAY - B1 JNJ - consolidation along the $55 line, including a gap up = pre-attack MIMS - cup complete, forming high handle?, volume on right side of = cup low STJ - one week handle on the cup Happy Hunting, now that "M" says to buy God Bless America, and its integral strength, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C14F2E.40B9E8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's not names that are copyrighted, it's = abbreviations,=20 Charlie!!! Rotate your secret decoder ring two clicks to the = left!
 
I didn't see a cup on these, hence I called it a = simple=20 B1.
 
FWIW, I just finished entering 13 sell orders on my = VR fund,=20 the dogs that have shown no sign of recovery are heading to the kennels. = I want=20 to be in a strong cash position for next week. Only buy orders I entered = are on=20 my top performers.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 = 2:49=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's = Weekend=20 Weeview

Tom,
    Great list. Just a quick question, it appears to = me that=20 AHMH, THC and CYTC (or should we use our secret decoder = rings,=20 to create new names for these companies) are forming handles, you = listed=20 them as B1, what am I missing?
 
Thanks
Charlie
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 = 3:01=20 AM
To: CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's = Weekend=20 Weeview

Thanks for all the comments on the legal letter = from DGO,=20 I got a few laughs, put things in perspective, now it's time to get = back to=20 CANSLIM. I will continue to use stock symbols, even if DGO calls = them=20 abbreviations and claims they have the copyright. I was calling them = stock=20 symbols long before DG/DGO/ID/IBD even existed, so I have the = right.
ON "M"
We have now had two quality and strong follow thru days in the = past=20 week. In both cases, they met all requirements, and were on multiple = indexes=20 as well. Both were better FT days than I can recall seeing in nearly = two=20 years. All indexes are now above their September lows, some above = their=20 April lows, and NYSE Financial substantially above the April low. = Volume has=20 remained above average on most of the up days, and generally light = on the=20 down days, giving back very little of the overall gains. For the = week, DOW=20 30 and S&P500 gained about 3% and NASDAQ gained over 7%. I was = surprised=20 to see the Russell 2000 only gained 2.5% as my VR fund, entirely = comprised=20 of small and micro caps, gained over 10%. But I must admit it also = made me=20 feel good to beat this particular index so solidly. I see a number = of other=20 small cap funds (real ones, that is) that have done poorly this = year. I am=20 not sure why, so there may be a message there for me and other = lovers of=20 small caps. Their time may be passing as the market recovers and = refocuses=20 on mid to large cap stocks once again.
ON ECONOMICS
Prior to the cowardly attacks on September 11, the economy was = showing=20 some signs of recovery. Consumer spending was increasing, as was = consumer=20 debt. NAPM numbers, while still contracting, were doing so at a much = slower=20 pace. There was strong evidence that the inventory reductions needed = were=20 nearing an end. September sales on autos remains strong, altho in = part due=20 the availability of interest free loans from the dealers. Housing = starts and=20 sales appear to have weakened a little, but are still strong = historically.=20 And the Feds have cut a full percent off rates, altho it's not being = reflected in mortgage rates to the same extent. Fuel prices, after = an=20 initial spike, have fallen further and appear to be stabilizing. The = dollar=20 weakened, but not as dramatically as was feared. Inflation still is = not an=20 issue. The difficulty now lies in assessing where we are, and where = we are=20 going, since the attacks. A lot of the data is either prior 9/11, or = is=20 diluted by data since then. It will take several months before we = can fully=20 assess the impact on the economy. The President is meanwhile pushing = an=20 economic stimulus package which, along with increased Defense = spending,=20 could provide short term improvement. Some economists were operating = these=20 past several weeks out of temporary sites, and lacking all their = historical=20 data which was lost in the attack. It will take time for them to = reconstruct=20 that information. Unemployment continues to rise, and likely still = does not=20 fully reflect the damage done to corporate America by the attacks. = Yet this=20 economy is not dead, it's recovery may have been delayed, but it = will=20 happen.
WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES (from blended=20 sources)
 
Overall, I had substantially more candidates to consider this = week than=20 last as the markets began to recover. These are the ones I think are = worth=20 watching.
 
Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO. Because of the = new=20 strength in "M", I will include one week bases.
 
PFFB - one week handle on the cup
AHMH - B1
AROW - shallow cup formed, one week handle
DORL - B1 handle on the cup
ADVP - cup completed
GG - B3, gold mining company
APOL - double bottom, cup??, approaching the pivot
GTY - B2
RYAN - cup completed, possible evidence of consumer spending = post=20 attack?
HRB - resuming its LLUR pattern
FCN - LLUR
PORT - did the left side of the cup pre-attack, right side = post-attack,=20 pretty impressive for a bank
WTFC - double bottom
FSNM - B4+
THC - B1+
MYL - cup completed, forming handle
RCGI - B3
ATPX - just had to mention this one, jumped another 4 bucks = Friday, my=20 big winner in my VR fund, up 94% now in 3 weeks, extended to say the = least,=20 could have been bot post-attack just over $10, trailing PE still = only=20 17
PRSP - B1
CAH - handle forming
ANSS - cup completed and back to a six week pre-attack = base
SWWC - one week handle on the cup, low priced utility
SAFM - B5+, chicken producer
CRFT - recovered to above pre-attack base
CYTC - B1
BDX - B1+
EPIQ - may be consolidating its 40% gains in the past three = weeks
XRAY - B1
JNJ - consolidation along the $55 line, including a gap up=20 pre-attack
MIMS - cup complete, forming high handle?, volume on right side = of cup=20 low
STJ - one week handle on the cup
 
Happy Hunting, now that "M" says to = buy
 
God Bless America, and its integral = strength,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C14F2E.40B9E8A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 07 Oct 2001 10:20:39 -0700 Heck, what about 3M? At 03:40 AM 10/7/2001 -0400, you wrote: >But what would I do then if Chrysler or Dupont should make the list? > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 07 Oct 2001 10:55:15 -0700 Now that the big bad buttholes at IBD won't allow Tom to post his Excel data, I wanted to remind the list of a technique in Excel I outlined before for someone else's metascan list (was it Dan's?). Copy the part of the message with the stock symbols and comments and paste into a new worksheet (depending on your mail program you may have to do a "edit...paste special...text" in Excel). Highlight the cells and do "tools...text to columns", select the "delimited" box, and enter a minus sign (-) as the delimiter under "other". Then hit Next and Finish, and you will have a column of stock symbols and a column of comments. You can then copy and paste the symbols into Clearstation, Yahoo, etc. Of course this only holds as long as Tom continues to use the minus sign after each symbol (oops I mean copyrighted IBD "abbreviation"). Hey, better inform the NYSE and NASDAQ of their copyright infringements, IBD! (does IBD stand for Investors Business Daily or Irritable Bowel Disorder? Inquiring minds want to know...) At 06:00 AM 10/7/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for all the comments on the legal letter from DGO, I got a few >laughs, put things in perspective, now it's time to get back to CANSLIM. I >will continue to use stock symbols, even if DGO calls them abbreviations >and claims they have the copyright. I was calling them stock symbols long >before DG/DGO/ID/IBD even existed, so I have the right. > >---------- >ON "M" >We have now had two quality and strong follow thru days in the past week. >In both cases, they met all requirements, and were on multiple indexes as >well. Both were better FT days than I can recall seeing in nearly two >years. All indexes are now above their September lows, some above their >April lows, and NYSE Financial substantially above the April low. Volume >has remained above average on most of the up days, and generally light on >the down days, giving back very little of the overall gains. For the week, >DOW 30 and S&P500 gained about 3% and NASDAQ gained over 7%. I was >surprised to see the Russell 2000 only gained 2.5% as my VR fund, entirely >comprised of small and micro caps, gained over 10%. But I must admit it >also made me feel good to beat this particular index so solidly. I see a >number of other small cap funds (real ones, that is) that have done poorly >this year. I am not sure why, so there may be a message there for me and >other lovers of small caps. Their time may be passing as the market >recovers and refocuses on mid to large cap stocks once again. > >---------- >ON ECONOMICS >Prior to the cowardly attacks on September 11, the economy was showing >some signs of recovery. Consumer spending was increasing, as was consumer >debt. NAPM numbers, while still contracting, were doing so at a much >slower pace. There was strong evidence that the inventory reductions >needed were nearing an end. September sales on autos remains strong, altho >in part due the availability of interest free loans from the dealers. >Housing starts and sales appear to have weakened a little, but are still >strong historically. And the Feds have cut a full percent off rates, altho >it's not being reflected in mortgage rates to the same extent. Fuel >prices, after an initial spike, have fallen further and appear to be >stabilizing. The dollar weakened, but not as dramatically as was feared. >Inflation still is not an issue. The difficulty now lies in assessing >where we are, and where we are going, since the attacks. A lot of the data >is either prior 9/11, or is diluted by data since then. It will take >several months before we can fully assess the impact on the economy. The >President is meanwhile pushing an economic stimulus package which, along >with increased Defense spending, could provide short term improvement. >Some economists were operating these past several weeks out of temporary >sites, and lacking all their historical data which was lost in the attack. >It will take time for them to reconstruct that information. Unemployment >continues to rise, and likely still does not fully reflect the damage done >to corporate America by the attacks. Yet this economy is not dead, it's >recovery may have been delayed, but it will happen. > >---------- >WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES (from blended sources) > >Overall, I had substantially more candidates to consider this week than >last as the markets began to recover. These are the ones I think are worth >watching. > >Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO. Because of the new strength >in "M", I will include one week bases. > >PFFB - one week handle on the cup >AHMH - B1 >AROW - shallow cup formed, one week handle >DORL - B1 handle on the cup >ADVP - cup completed >GG - B3, gold mining company >APOL - double bottom, cup??, approaching the pivot >GTY - B2 >RYAN - cup completed, possible evidence of consumer spending post attack? >HRB - resuming its LLUR pattern >FCN - LLUR >PORT - did the left side of the cup pre-attack, right side post-attack, >pretty impressive for a bank >WTFC - double bottom >FSNM - B4+ >THC - B1+ >MYL - cup completed, forming handle >RCGI - B3 >ATPX - just had to mention this one, jumped another 4 bucks Friday, my big >winner in my VR fund, up 94% now in 3 weeks, extended to say the least, >could have been bot post-attack just over $10, trailing PE still only 17 >PRSP - B1 >CAH - handle forming >ANSS - cup completed and back to a six week pre-attack base >SWWC - one week handle on the cup, low priced utility >SAFM - B5+, chicken producer >CRFT - recovered to above pre-attack base >CYTC - B1 >BDX - B1+ >EPIQ - may be consolidating its 40% gains in the past three weeks >XRAY - B1 >JNJ - consolidation along the $55 line, including a gap up pre-attack >MIMS - cup complete, forming high handle?, volume on right side of cup low >STJ - one week handle on the cup > >Happy Hunting, now that "M" says to buy > >God Bless America, and its integral strength, > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Surindra" Subject: [CANSLIM] Defense cos. could take center stage Date: 07 Oct 2001 15:53:08 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C14F48.2904BAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Defense cos. could take center stage By CBS.MarketWatch.com Last Update: 3:06 PM ET Oct. 7, 2001 Stocks to watch Defense stocks could move into the spotlight in the wake of the first U.S. attacks upon terrorist camps in Afghanistan. Among the names that could see buying interest following news of the military action are Lockheed Martin (LMT: news, chart, profile), Northrop Grumman (NOC: news, chart, profile), and Raytheon (RTN: news, chart, profile). Others include Alliant Techsystems (ATK: news, chart, profile), Engineered Support Systems (EASI: news, chart, profile), General Dynamics (GD: news, chart, profile), L-3 Communications Holdings (LLL: news, chart, profile), United Industrial (UIC: news, chart, profile), and Dow component Boeing (BA: news, chart, profile). Security technology companies may also see a resurgence of interest, as they did when trading re-opened after four days following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. These companies include CompuDyne (CDCY: news, chart, profile), Visionics (VSNX: news, chart, profile), Magal Security Systems (MAGS: news, chart, profile), Metrologic (MTLG: news, chart, profile), OSI Systems (OSIS: news, chart, profile), Viisage Technology (VISG: news, chart, profile), InVision Technologies (INVN: news, chart, profile), and ICTS International (ICTS: news, chart, profile). 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Defense cos. could = take center=20 stage
By=20 CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last = Update:=20 3:06 PM ET Oct. 7, = 2001

Stocks to watch

Defense stocks could move into the spotlight in the wake of the = first=20 U.S. attacks upon terrorist camps in Afghanistan. Among the names = that=20 could see buying interest following news of the military action = are=20 Lockheed Martin (LMT:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 Northrop Grumman (NOC:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 and Raytheon (RTN:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile).=20 Others include Alliant Techsystems (ATK:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 Engineered Support Systems (EASI:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 General Dynamics (GD:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 L-3 Communications Holdings (LLL:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 United Industrial (UIC:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 and Dow component Boeing (BA:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile).=20 Security technology companies may also see a resurgence of = interest, as=20 they did when trading re-opened after four days following the = Sept. 11=20 terrorist attacks. These companies include CompuDyne (CDCY:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 Visionics (VSNX:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 Magal Security Systems (MAGS:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 Metrologic (MTLG:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 OSI Systems (OSIS:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 Viisage Technology (VISG:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 InVision Technologies (INVN:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile),=20 and ICTS International (ICTS:=20 news,=20 chart,=20 profile).

 
 
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Mrs.Snoop(Knight) Date: 07 Oct 2001 17:46:05 EDT --part1_b9.14cfb6ff.28f2271d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit because of this group right now I have on a monthly basis the DGO but because of the Mrs. Knight thing to Tom I'm thinking about signing off and going somewhere else.......Janis --part1_b9.14cfb6ff.28f2271d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit because of this group right now I have on a monthly basis the DGO but because of the Mrs. Knight thing to Tom I'm thinking about signing off and going somewhere else.......Janis --part1_b9.14cfb6ff.28f2271d_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] My Leader's List for Q4 2001 Date: 07 Oct 2001 15:18:55 -0700 I am trying to get in touch with the keeper of the HGS Mining Co data, and so far cannot find out how to pay for the data. So, I have no clue of the group moves this past week. Anyone care to post a group leadership type Excel spreadsheet, if you have one handy? At 03:37 PM 9/29/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Well, it's been some time since I've posted my list here. Well, actually, >it's been quite a while since I even bothered to generate it. Anyhow, >given the Follow-Through Day on Friday, I think it's time to at least start >watching closely, so here's my Leader's List based on this weekend's data. > >For those newer to the list, I start with stocks in the DG books ranked >75/75 or better, GRS of 70 or better, AND total ADV $ of at least $500K. >(I use $500K as an absolute minimum but prefer stocks at least 2-3 times >higher in average trading. Note that I also adjust EPS, RS, and GRS at >times to make sure I start with a good list of stocks.) I take that list >(199 stocks made the grade this week) and assign a composite rank (my own >formula) based on each stock's EPS, RS, SMR, A/D, and GRS. This list is >the top 125 or so stocks based on composite score. The list shown is >ordered by composite score (best at the top). This is intended as a start >to a watch list, but please do your own DD for both technical and >fundamental characteristics. Many of these stock will be well extended or >too far down in a correction to be buyable from a CANSLIM perspective. My >next step is to run through all of the charts, look for CANSLIM bases, and >generate a much smaller watch list for the week. > >Standard disclaimer - I presently own, oops, I don't own anything in my >CANSLIM account! > >AZO >GISX >TARO >DYII >SASR >DKWD >USPH >EASI >BRO >MDCI >GPI >HITK >FNFG >ICLR >FTN >KNSY >PORT >LLL >MYL >BRL >FBC >ORLY >DME >GG >GMCR >DORL >CNTL >DRS >MSA >STL >ESRX >SZA >QCBC >PRX >PPDI >CAH >RGIS >WTFC >FHRX >MATW >RCGI >CYTC >FCN >AJG >MOVI >DCOM >BVF >BOKF >CVBF >HRBT >DAP >CLKB >CPRT >DRMD >NFB >HRH >CBSS >WSH >STRC >NYCB >UBSI >RDY >DIAN >CRY >OFIX >DP >OMI >UCBH >ICUI >FESX >ICBC >RMD >IART >SFD >BAX >UOPX >MAGS >FHCC >AGM >WBST >TRST >HOC >RESP >CBSA >FFIC >WM >CHX >FLM >PDCO >GAIA >STJ >IBCP >XRAY >SFCC >PFFB >GD >KG >FTO >USTR >CITZ >BPRX >SCFS >NBTY >JAKK >PNP >WBPR >MMSI >KKD >MCK >DVA >THC >ULAB >NNS >HSIC >BBI >CSV >MBNK >HLYW >MIMS >EPD >TGX >PBY >MKC >SBIB >LIFE > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kruger Subject: [CANSLIM] Asian Shares Fall Hard Date: 07 Oct 2001 20:46:13 -0700 (PDT) SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Asian shares fell hard on Monday while oil prices rose moderately as traders and investors priced in the risk that U.S.-led strikes against Afghanistan (news - web sites) mark the beginning of a protracted war. The traditional safe havens of gold and the Swiss franc also rose slightly, as did short-dated bonds in some markets, but the absence of a lead from Wall Street made many reluctant to carve out big positions. ``We don't know how long the strikes will take. The market is concerned about the possibility of retaliation from the terrorists, you don't know how they will retaliate,'' said Allan Araullo, vice president of Regina Capital Development Corp in Manila, where shares fell 3.84 percent. ``It's the same reaction all over the region,'' he added. With Tokyo closed for a national holiday, Hong Kong's hang Seng Index dropped 3.30 percent in early trading to 9,938.63 and Singapore's Straits Tines Index fell 3.29 percent to 1,339.83 at 11 p.m. EDT Sunday. The sell-off followed a wave of bombing and missile strikes by the United States and Britain to cripple the military of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, which has been sheltering Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), accused of masterminding the deadly September 11 suicide plane attacks on New York and Washington. ``It is not such a shockingly unexpected event that it will put markets into disarray, but how it unfolds over the next few days will be key,'' said Anthony Karydakis, senior financial economist at Banc One Capital Markets in Chicago. He expects major stock markets worldwide to weaken, with the Dow Jones industrials on Monday selling off by 200 or 300 points, or about three percent, at the opening. STORM BREAKS U.S. stock futures weakened in electronic trading in Chicago, with the lead month December Standard & Poor's 500 stock index contract falling 6.80 from Friday's 1,071.80 settlement. The December Nasdaq 100 contract fell 10.00 to 1,270.50. Despite the initial sell-off, some brokers said the use of force against Afghanistan had at least ended the markets' tense, uncertain wait since the September 11 attacks. ``The markets have been nervous for almost a month, anticipating war,'' said Mak Hoy Kit of KAF Seagroatt & Campbell in Kuala Lumpur, where shares fell 1.46 percent. ``Now that it's finally happened, it's actually a relief but definitely investors here will cut back ahead of U.S. markets tonight.'' U.S. bond markets will be closed on Monday for the Columbus Day holiday, but stock markets will be open. Although the bursting of the gathering storm clouds brought relief of sorts, inherent uncertainty over the strength of the downpour left analysts unsure of the direction markets will take. ``I don't think there's too much to surprise for markets but the question for most is what are we in for, and that's not very clear,'' said David Gilmore, partner at Foreign Exchange Analytics in Connecticut. ``This action will most assuredly prompt more terrorist attacks ahead, and I'm not sure how society and markets are positioned to cope with that,'' he said. The dollar dipped below 120 yen to 119.90 about 2/3 of a yen below New York's close on Friday, although dealers said the move was largely a mark-down, driven by anticipation that risk-averse Japanese investors will repatriate funds, rather than a product of active selling. The Swiss franc firmed to 1.6110 per dollar from 1.6162 late in New York on Friday, drawing strength from its traditional status as the safest of safe havens. OIL RISES Gains in gold, another safe haven, were equally measured. Bullion was quoted around $292.50/3.00 an ounce, up around $1.50 from late New York levels on Friday. Oil prices rose, though again only modestly, as traders fretted that the violence could spread to the Middle East region, where two-thirds of the world's petroleum reserves lie. ``With these strikes in Afghanistan, we've now seen one layer of uncertainty peeled away. The strikes were strongly signaled, it was only the timing that was the issue,'' said Simon Games-Thomas at NM Rothschild & Sons in Sydney. ``What happens now (to oil) depends on the depth and breadth of the strikes and the response they engender,'' he said. The U.S. November crude futures contract jumped as much as 46 cents in early NYMEX electronic trading on Monday before retreating to $22.71 cents a barrel at 10:43 p.m. EDT Sunday, a gain of 35 cents from Friday's close in New York. When U.S. bond markets resume trading on Tuesday, analysts said demand for short-dated paper may push the yield on the two-year Treasury note down to as low as 2.5 percent from 2.7 percent at Friday's close. Treasuries have rallied through most of the year as the Federal Reserve (news - web sites) has lowered interest rates nine times since January to try to prop up a rapidly weakening economy that most analysts assume has now tumbled into recession as a result of last month's attacks. A day before the strikes on Afghanistan, finance ministers and central bank governors of the Group of Seven leading industrial nations acknowledged that the attacks had hurt the global economy and pledged to keep financial markets stable. ``We are strongly committed to bringing forward needed measures to increase economic growth and preserve the health of our financial markets,'' the United States, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan said in a statement. In Asia, South Korea (news - web sites)'s central bank made a similar pledge on Monday, promising to provide ample liquidity in case of wayward moves in the financial markets. In the event, Seoul's benchmark Kospi stock market index fell just 0.69 percent to 498.45, while bond prices moved lower on fears of the inflationary impact on rising oil prices on Korea, which imports all its oil. ``The assault came as no big surprise and investors are trying to gauge the impact,'' said Joh Jae-young, a fixed-income strategist at Kyobo Securities in Seoul. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LEHTZ MAKEDOUGH Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Mrs.Snoop(Knight) Date: 08 Oct 2001 06:19:23 -0700 (PDT) --0-401166342-1002547163=:65251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii BIKEAR@aol.com wrote: because of this group right now I have on a monthly basis the DGO but because of the Mrs. Knight thing to Tom I'm thinking about signing off and going somewhere else.......Janis I'm ready to quit IBD as well. The new color edition is worse than ever. Their ratings are lagging and getting next to useless, there are virtually no in depth stories, I'm a hair away from sticking to the Wall Street Journal and bagging IBD. Nelson Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. Yahoo! by Phone. --0-401166342-1002547163=:65251 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

  BIKEAR@aol.com wrote:

because of this group right now I have on a monthly basis the DGO but because of the Mrs. Knight thing to Tom I'm thinking about signing off and going somewhere else.......Janis

I'm ready to quit IBD as well. The new color edition is worse than ever. Their ratings are lagging and getting next to useless, there are virtually no in depth stories, I'm a hair away from sticking to the Wall Street Journal and bagging IBD.

Nelson


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NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. Yahoo! by Phone. --0-401166342-1002547163=:65251-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Makarand Gokhale Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 08 Oct 2001 10:14:27 -0700 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1501C.B124E698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Could someone explain what B1 .. Bx and LLUR mean in the list published? Or are these standard notations for well known patterns? Thanks! Makarand ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1501C.B124E698 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Could someone  explain what B1 .. Bx and LLUR mean in the list published? Or are these standard notations for well known patterns?
 
Thanks!
 
Makarand
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1501C.B124E698-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 08 Oct 2001 13:44:17 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C14FFF.538897C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable B1=3Dbomber, oops, B1=3Dbasing for 1week.=20 Bx=3Dbasing #of weeks. LLUR=3Dlower left, upper right chart formation, not as in boxing. Fun huh? DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Makarand Gokhale=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Could someone explain what B1 .. Bx and LLUR mean in the list = published? Or are these standard notations for well known patterns? Thanks! Makarand ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C14FFF.538897C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
B1=3Dbomber, oops, B1=3Dbasing for = 1week.
Bx=3Dbasing #of weeks.
LLUR=3Dlower left, upper right chart = formation,=20  not as in boxing.
Fun huh?
 
DanF
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Makarand=20 Gokhale
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 1:14=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's = Weekend=20 Weeview

Could someone  explain what B1 .. Bx = and LLUR=20 mean in the list published? Or are these standard notations for well = known=20 patterns?
 
Thanks!
 
Makarand
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C14FFF.538897C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 08 Oct 2001 11:02:14 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C14FE8.AFEA4F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I seem to recall someone in this group (perhaps Tom?) starting to = discuss LLUR for some time before IBD recently brought it up in the = Investors Corner as a canslim chart formation.=20 Hmmm... -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Forant=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview B1=3Dbomber, oops, B1=3Dbasing for 1week.=20 Bx=3Dbasing #of weeks. LLUR=3Dlower left, upper right chart formation, not as in boxing. Fun huh? DanF ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C14FE8.AFEA4F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I seem to recall someone in this group = (perhaps=20 Tom?) starting to discuss LLUR for some time before IBD recently = brought it=20 up in the Investors Corner as a canslim chart formation.
 
Hmmm...
 
-Bill Triffet
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 10:44=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's = Weekend=20 Weeview

B1=3Dbomber, oops, B1=3Dbasing for = 1week.=20
Bx=3Dbasing #of weeks.
LLUR=3Dlower left, upper right chart = formation,=20  not as in boxing.
Fun huh?
 
DanF
 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C14FE8.AFEA4F20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 08 Oct 2001 14:04:56 -0400 could be breaking out, except that it doesn't have the volume. Today is a holiday, thin trades. Hmmm. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 08 Oct 2001 11:12:26 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C14FEA.1D160B10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually it was James Taylor, ot The Taylor Trader website, who first discussed it back in '96-'97, and coined the term, as I recall. Didn't see the IBD articile; would be interested to see it if available online. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill Triffet Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:02 AM I seem to recall someone in this group (perhaps Tom?) starting to discuss LLUR for some time before IBD recently brought it up in the Investors Corner as a canslim chart formation. Hmmm... -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:44 AM B1=bomber, oops, B1=basing for 1week. Bx=basing #of weeks. LLUR=lower left, upper right chart formation, not as in boxing. Fun huh? DanF ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C14FEA.1D160B10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Actually it was James Taylor, ot The Taylor Trader website, who = first=20 discussed it back in '96-'97, and coined the term, as I recall. Didn't = see the=20 IBD articile; would be interested to see it if available online.=20

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill=20 Triffet
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:02 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's = Weekend=20 Weeview

I seem to recall someone in this = group (perhaps=20 Tom?) starting to discuss LLUR for some time before IBD recently = brought=20 it up in the Investors Corner as a canslim chart formation. =
 
Hmmm...
 
-Bill Triffet
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
Sent: Monday, October 08, = 2001 10:44=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Worley's Weekend=20 Weeview

B1=3Dbomber, oops, B1=3Dbasing for = 1week.=20
Bx=3Dbasing #of weeks.
LLUR=3Dlower left, upper right = chart formation,=20  not as in boxing.
Fun huh?
 
DanF
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C14FEA.1D160B10-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 08 Oct 2001 15:34:37 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C1500E.BD6EBD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageCorrect, while I didn't agree much with Mr. Taylor, I did agree = he had a valid point on this particular chart formation. I would also be = interested in reading the article, sounds like another case of theft of = intellectual property, especially since I have not seen any mention of = this formation applied to CANSLIM except in this discussion group (and = presumably Taylor's website). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Actually it was James Taylor, ot The Taylor Trader website, who first = discussed it back in '96-'97, and coined the term, as I recall. Didn't = see the IBD articile; would be interested to see it if available online. = -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill Triffet Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 11:02 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview I seem to recall someone in this group (perhaps Tom?) starting to = discuss LLUR for some time before IBD recently brought it up in the = Investors Corner as a canslim chart formation.=20 =20 Hmmm... =20 -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Forant=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview B1=3Dbomber, oops, B1=3Dbasing for 1week.=20 Bx=3Dbasing #of weeks. LLUR=3Dlower left, upper right chart formation, not as in boxing. Fun huh? =20 DanF =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C1500E.BD6EBD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Correct, while I didn't agree much with Mr. Taylor, = I did=20 agree he had a valid point on this particular chart formation. I would = also be=20 interested in reading the article, sounds like another case of theft of=20 intellectual property, especially since I have not seen any mention of = this=20 formation applied to CANSLIM except in this discussion group (and = presumably=20 Taylor's website).
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 06, = 2001 12:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

Tom, do you have an email address = for Ms.=20 McKnight?
Thanks in advance,
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: DGOnline Customer Service ; CANSLIM
Sent: Friday, October 05, = 2001 7:57=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: = Discontinuance=20 of my posting DGO Data

To: Ms. Susan McKnight, = President, Daily=20 Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group=20 Members
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 2:12=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's = Weekend=20 Weeview

Actually it was James Taylor, ot The Taylor Trader website, = who first=20 discussed it back in '96-'97, and coined the term, as I recall. Didn't = see the=20 IBD articile; would be interested to see it if available online.=20

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Bill Triffet
Sent: Monday, October 08, = 2001=20 11:02 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview

I seem to recall someone in this = group (perhaps=20 Tom?) starting to discuss LLUR for some time before IBD = recently=20 brought it up in the Investors Corner as a canslim chart formation.=20
 
Hmmm...
 
-Bill Triffet
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Dan=20 Forant
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 08, = 2001 10:44=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Worley's=20 Weekend Weeview

B1=3Dbomber, oops, B1=3Dbasing = for 1week.=20
Bx=3Dbasing #of = weeks.
LLUR=3Dlower left, upper right = chart formation,=20  not as in boxing.
Fun huh?
 
DanF
 
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C1500E.BD6EBD40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 08 Oct 2001 15:39:09 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C1500F.5F7C55C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ann, It hit a high of 72.06 in late July, I would prefer to see that broken, = on volume, before buying. Up/down ratio not that strong at 1.0, and 5 year earnings growth weak at = 10%. It is also well behind the leaders in a relatively strong group. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: CANSLIM Listserv=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ could be breaking out, except that it doesn't have the volume. Today = is a holiday, thin trades. Hmmm. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C1500F.5F7C55C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ann,
 
It hit a high of 72.06 in late July, I would prefer = to see=20 that broken, on volume, before buying.
 
Up/down ratio not that strong at 1.0, and 5 year = earnings=20 growth weak at 10%. It is also well behind the leaders in a relatively = strong=20 group.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ann=20
To: CANSLIM Listserv
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 2:04=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ

could be breaking out, except that it doesn't have the = volume.=20 Today is a
holiday, thin trades. Hmmm.


-
-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
------=_NextPart_000_007E_01C1500F.5F7C55C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 08 Oct 2001 15:50:47 -0400 Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but still a new high on above average volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. Think it should show up on radar screens tomorrow. -- Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 08 Oct 2001 16:26:04 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016D_01C15015.ECD371A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, I appreciate your thoughts. IBD says that it's 1st in its group of = MedInstrm. Perhaps it is tied for first with some others that are = better? Ann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Hi Ann, It hit a high of 72.06 in late July, I would prefer to see that = broken, on volume, before buying. Up/down ratio not that strong at 1.0, and 5 year earnings growth weak = at 10%. It is also well behind the leaders in a relatively strong group. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: CANSLIM Listserv=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ could be breaking out, except that it doesn't have the volume. Today = is a holiday, thin trades. Hmmm. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_016D_01C15015.ECD371A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom,
I appreciate your thoughts. IBD says that it's 1st = in its=20 group of MedInstrm. Perhaps it is tied for first with some others that = are=20 better?
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 3:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STJ

Hi Ann,
 
It hit a high of 72.06 in late July, I would = prefer to see=20 that broken, on volume, before buying.
 
Up/down ratio not that strong at 1.0, and 5 year = earnings=20 growth weak at 10%. It is also well behind the leaders in a relatively = strong=20 group.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ann=20
Sent: Monday, October 08, = 2001 2:04=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ

could be breaking out, except that it doesn't have = the=20 volume. Today is a
holiday, thin trades. = Hmmm.


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-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your = email.
------=_NextPart_000_016D_01C15015.ECD371A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 08 Oct 2001 18:04:56 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C15023.BD3C2F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know where IBD gets off saying that, it's not even close. The = top six in the group by RS ranking are=20 MMSI 99 FIMG 99 AMMD 96 THOR 96 CPTS 94 CNMD 93 STJ has an RS of 88, so it's no where close. It's EPS of 87 puts it = second behind MMSI if that were used as the ranking, but don't know why = IBD would rank differently than DG/DGO. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Tom, I appreciate your thoughts. IBD says that it's 1st in its group of = MedInstrm. Perhaps it is tied for first with some others that are = better? Ann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Hi Ann, It hit a high of 72.06 in late July, I would prefer to see that = broken, on volume, before buying. Up/down ratio not that strong at 1.0, and 5 year earnings growth = weak at 10%. It is also well behind the leaders in a relatively strong = group. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: CANSLIM Listserv=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ could be breaking out, except that it doesn't have the volume. = Today is a holiday, thin trades. Hmmm. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C15023.BD3C2F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't know where IBD gets off saying that, it's = not even=20 close. The top six in the group by RS ranking are
 
MMSI    99
FIMG     99
AMMD    96
THOR    96
CPTS    94
CNMD     93
 
STJ has an RS of 88, so it's no where close. It's = EPS of 87=20 puts it second behind MMSI if that were used as the ranking, but don't = know why=20 IBD would rank differently than DG/DGO.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ann=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 4:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STJ

Tom,
I appreciate your thoughts. IBD says that it's 1st = in its=20 group of MedInstrm. Perhaps it is tied for first with some others that = are=20 better?
Ann
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 08, = 2001 3:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STJ

Hi Ann,
 
It hit a high of 72.06 in late July, I would = prefer to see=20 that broken, on volume, before buying.
 
Up/down ratio not that strong at 1.0, and 5 year = earnings=20 growth weak at 10%. It is also well behind the leaders in a = relatively=20 strong group.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ann=20
To: CANSLIM Listserv
Sent: Monday, October 08, = 2001 2:04=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = STJ

could be breaking out, except that it doesn't have = the=20 volume. Today is a
holiday, thin trades. = Hmmm.


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-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= =20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your=20 email.
------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C15023.BD3C2F00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 08 Oct 2001 18:44:09 -0700 This one looks good to me. I was trying to research the fundamentals. It looks like last year was not the best of years for this company. Then probably was not the best year for a lot of companies. Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:51 PM Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but still a new high on above average volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. Think it should show up on radar screens tomorrow. -- Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 08 Oct 2001 20:16:36 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C15036.21BA5440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IBD ranked it first overall (ahead of BMET, MSSI, AMMD, LIFE), not in = RS. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ I don't know where IBD gets off saying that, it's not even close. The = top six in the group by RS ranking are=20 MMSI 99 FIMG 99 AMMD 96 THOR 96 CPTS 94 CNMD 93 STJ has an RS of 88, so it's no where close. It's EPS of 87 puts it = second behind MMSI if that were used as the ranking, but don't know why = IBD would rank differently than DG/DGO. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Tom, I appreciate your thoughts. IBD says that it's 1st in its group of = MedInstrm. Perhaps it is tied for first with some others that are = better? Ann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Hi Ann, It hit a high of 72.06 in late July, I would prefer to see that = broken, on volume, before buying. Up/down ratio not that strong at 1.0, and 5 year earnings growth = weak at 10%. It is also well behind the leaders in a relatively strong = group. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: CANSLIM Listserv=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ could be breaking out, except that it doesn't have the volume. = Today is a holiday, thin trades. Hmmm. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C15036.21BA5440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IBD ranked it first overall (ahead of BMET, MSSI, = AMMD, LIFE),=20 not in RS.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 = 6:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STJ

I don't know where IBD gets off saying that, it's = not even=20 close. The top six in the group by RS ranking are
 
MMSI    99
FIMG     99
AMMD    96
THOR    96
CPTS    94
CNMD     93
 
STJ has an RS of 88, so it's no where close. It's = EPS of 87=20 puts it second behind MMSI if that were used as the ranking, but don't = know=20 why IBD would rank differently than DG/DGO.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ann=20
Sent: Monday, October 08, = 2001 4:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STJ

Tom,
I appreciate your thoughts. IBD says that it's = 1st in its=20 group of MedInstrm. Perhaps it is tied for first with some others = that are=20 better?
Ann
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Monday, October 08, = 2001 3:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = STJ

Hi Ann,
 
It hit a high of 72.06 in late July, I would = prefer to=20 see that broken, on volume, before buying.
 
Up/down ratio not that strong at 1.0, and 5 = year=20 earnings growth weak at 10%. It is also well behind the leaders in = a=20 relatively strong group.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Ann
To: CANSLIM Listserv =
Sent: Monday, October 08, = 2001 2:04=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = STJ

could be breaking out, except that it doesn't = have the=20 volume. Today is a
holiday, thin trades. = Hmmm.


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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C15036.21BA5440-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 08 Oct 2001 19:44:50 -0600 Yes, I noticed it moved up nicely late in the day. Given the holiday-ish stance, the volume was pretty good. I may watch it closely tomorrow. At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: >Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but still a >new high on above average volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. Think it >should show up on radar screens tomorrow. > > >-- >Dave > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 08 Oct 2001 19:49:21 -0600 Maybe they aren't using RS as the indicator? They do have a composite ranking in the paper now, so maybe they are using that. I know DGO uses RS with EPS as the tiebreaker, but I don't think IBD uses the same rules for deciding "best in the group". At 06:04 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: > I don't know where IBD gets off saying that, it's not even close. The >top six in the group by RS ranking are 99 99 96 96 >94 93 STJ has an RS of 88, so it's no where close. It's EPS of 87 >puts it second behind MMSI if that were used as the ranking, but don't know >why IBD would rank differently than DG/DGO. Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann To: >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:26 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ > Tom, I appreciate your thoughts. IBD says that it's 1st in its >group of MedInstrm. Perhaps it is tied for first with some others that are > better? Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom > Worley To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Monday, October 08, >2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ > Hi Ann, It hit a high of 72.06 in late July, I would prefer >to see that broken, on volume, before buying. Up/down ratio >not that strong at 1.0, and 5 year earnings growth weak at 10%. It is >also well behind the leaders in a relatively strong group. >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann > To: CANSLIM Listserv Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:04 >PM Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ >could be breaking out, except that it doesn't have the volume. Today >is a >holiday, thin trades. Hmmm. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 08 Oct 2001 21:53:40 -0400 Yes, it's the composite rating on ibd's Stock Checkup. They say (investors.com) they use the 5 other ratings to determine it, but don't average them. Instead, they compare the overall rating to other stocks. I would quote the website, but don't want IBD's lawyer to contact me, too!! :-) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:49 PM : Maybe they aren't using RS as the indicator? They do have a composite : ranking in the paper now, so maybe they are using that. I know DGO uses RS : with EPS as the tiebreaker, but I don't think IBD uses the same rules for : deciding "best in the group". : : At 06:04 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: : > I don't know where IBD gets off saying that, it's not even close. The : >top six in the group by RS ranking are 99 99 96 96 : >94 93 STJ has an RS of 88, so it's no where close. It's EPS of 87 : >puts it second behind MMSI if that were used as the ranking, but don't know : >why IBD would rank differently than DG/DGO. Tom Worley : >stkguru@netside.net : >AIM: TexWorley : > ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann To: : >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:26 PM : >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ : > Tom, I appreciate your thoughts. IBD says that it's 1st in its : >group of MedInstrm. Perhaps it is tied for first with some others that are : > better? Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom : > Worley To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Monday, October 08, : >2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ : > Hi Ann, It hit a high of 72.06 in late July, I would prefer : >to see that broken, on volume, before buying. Up/down ratio : >not that strong at 1.0, and 5 year earnings growth weak at 10%. It is : >also well behind the leaders in a relatively strong group. : >Tom Worley : >stkguru@netside.net : >AIM: TexWorley : > ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann : > To: CANSLIM Listserv Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 2:04 : >PM Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ : >could be breaking out, except that it doesn't have the volume. Today : >is a : >holiday, thin trades. Hmmm. : > : > : >- : >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : > Do not use quotes in your email. : > : > : > : > : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Subject: [CANSLIM] Acc/Dis Numbers Date: 08 Oct 2001 22:25:24 -0400 ------ =_NextPart_000_01C15048.2110C8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are the latest Acc/Dis numbers. market continues to improve. spread sheet version: Date,A,B,C,D,E,% of AB/A:E,%E,Market Posture 9/26/01,174,877,1019,1654,1530,20%,29%,Market in correction 9/27/01,191,946,1022,1677,1422,22%,27%,Market in correction 9/28/01,191,950,1026,1613,1468,22%,28%,Market in correction 10/1/01,217,1022,1037,1537,1422,24%,27%,Market in correction 10/2/01,297,1234,1109,1446,1182,29%,22%,Market in correction 10/3/01,267,1236,1105,1447,1193,29%,23%,Market in correction 10/4/01,305,1275,1105,1417,1138,30%,22%,Market in correction 10/5/01,343,1406,1169,1404,935,33%,18%,Market in correction 10/8/01,371,1501,1190,1401,817,35%,15%,Market in correction Robert ------ =_NextPart_000_01C15048.2110C8A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Chia Subject: [CANSLIM] Defence / Security / AntiBiological Warfare Stocks Date: 09 Oct 2001 10:48:14 +0800 Hi all, I know this is probably an Un-Canslim way to invest in the short term / long term and i apologise this to a canslim list, but since the terrorist attacks ..many Defence / Security / AntiBiological Warfare / VideoConferencing / Stocks have made big gains and seemingly continue to do so, with other lesser known ones on a breakout. The question is .. is it too late to jump onto the bandwagon?, even so ... i'd like to hear any views and recommendations for the following stocks listed above from the listers here, thanks! and god bless! Regards, Dennis - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Surindra" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Defence / Security / AntiBiological Warfare Stocks Date: 08 Oct 2001 23:13:41 -0400 Hi Dennis: Non canslim way: buy the following stocks and get ready to the extremes: AATK VISG IPIX BFSC DKEY TPTH TLCP RSTN UTGI ENGSY CPHD SFNT OSIS ICTS ZCOM CFCM SNVT MRTN INVN LVLT VASC VSNX MTSN ARMF SSTI PRGX AVGN MDRX PCDI ZIXI GNSC SMCX DYII POWL DIGX SNWL WAYN STIZ SONS VNWK REVU OBIE ORCI TFCE HYGS CTSH BTGC INOC TBCC CPST -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Chia Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:48 PM Hi all, I know this is probably an Un-Canslim way to invest in the short term / long term and i apologise this to a canslim list, but since the terrorist attacks ..many Defence / Security / AntiBiological Warfare / VideoConferencing / Stocks have made big gains and seemingly continue to do so, with other lesser known ones on a breakout. The question is .. is it too late to jump onto the bandwagon?, even so ... i'd like to hear any views and recommendations for the following stocks listed above from the listers here, thanks! and god bless! Regards, Dennis - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 08 Oct 2001 20:17:02 -0700 Dave, Bad news, I bought BVF today too. This has been the kiss of death for a stock lately. Actually I planned to buy it last night with a buy stop loss of 47.50. Sure enough, it took. Gee, maybe I'm starting to catch on...........we will see. Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM > Yes, I noticed it moved up nicely late in the day. Given the holiday-ish > stance, the volume was pretty good. I may watch it closely tomorrow. > > > At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but still a > >new high on above average volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. Think it > >should show up on radar screens tomorrow. > > > > > >-- > >Dave > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Chia Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Defence / Security / AntiBiological Warfare Date: 09 Oct 2001 12:38:06 +0800 Hi Surindra, I appreciate the list of the top %gainers, there are a couple of good ones here for the short term however there are many here too that have bad fundamentals, pump and dump stocks? Personally i wanted to get into VISG when it was $6+ but didn't, guess it could *caution* be too late for that with the stock now grossly overvalued. What is ur opinion? Cheers! Dennis At 11:13 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Dennis: > >Non canslim way: buy the following stocks and get ready to the extremes: > >AATK > >VISG > >IPIX > >BFSC > >DKEY > >TPTH > >TLCP > >RSTN > >UTGI > >ENGSY > >CPHD > >SFNT > >OSIS > >ICTS > >ZCOM > >CFCM > >SNVT > >MRTN > >INVN > >LVLT > >VASC > >VSNX > >MTSN > >ARMF > >SSTI > >PRGX > >AVGN > >MDRX > >PCDI > >ZIXI > >GNSC > >SMCX > >DYII > >POWL > >DIGX > >SNWL > >WAYN > >STIZ > >SONS > >VNWK > >REVU > >OBIE > >ORCI > >TFCE > >HYGS > >CTSH > >BTGC > >INOC > >TBCC > >CPST > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Chia >Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 10:48 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] Defence / Security / AntiBiological Warfare Stocks > > > >Hi all, > >I know this is probably an Un-Canslim way to invest in the short term / long >term and i apologise this to a canslim list, but since the terrorist attacks >..many Defence / Security / AntiBiological Warfare / VideoConferencing / >Stocks have made big gains and seemingly continue to do so, with other >lesser known ones on a breakout. The question is .. is it too late to jump >onto the bandwagon?, even so ... i'd like to hear any views and >recommendations for the following stocks listed above from the listers here, >thanks! and god bless! > > >Regards, >Dennis > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Brion Subject: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Date: 09 Oct 2001 00:26:50 -0700 "The Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard allows you to scan the entire O'Neil Database® for stocks matching various criteria in 8 different categories." Based on a quick look, this tool appears to screen for just about everything in the datablock --- and a lot more. Unfortunately, it looks like they plan to charge extra for it when the beta ends. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: [CANSLIM] DORL Date: 09 Oct 2001 10:01:58 -0400 DORL looks poised to breakout from CH. Waiting for some volume... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Johnson" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DORL Date: 09 Oct 2001 10:30:37 -0400 I think the chart looks great and MOST of the fundamentals. My concern is the sales that are slowing every quarter for the past 4 quarters. By slowing I mean that the quarter over year ago quarter is increasing at a slower rate. 9/2000 - +45% 12/2000 - +32% 3/2001 - +24% 6/2001 - +16% Still, this looks like it is setting up pretty well!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:01 AM > DORL looks poised to breakout from CH. Waiting for some volume... > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rick Parsons" Subject: [CANSLIM] PITBULL.COM Date: 09 Oct 2001 11:38:03 -0400 Has anyone used the signals generated by Pitbull.com? Any comments? I get the impression that although this is a mechanical system it is somehow related to CANSLIM. Rick - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] Couldn't stand it anymore! Date: 09 Oct 2001 10:23:38 -0700 I bot AHMH FCN and HRH at the open. Also picked up a little LLL and AJG. All good CANSLIM numbers but a mixed bag of charts. AHMH looked like an HTF and I hit that one on the noggin (not bragging here, don't try to buy a HTF before it pops unless you are not adverse to high risk trades!) FCN wedged down but popped back on Monday. Not a CANSLIM chart but more like buying an LLUR on a bounce off a MA. HRH is a cup w/o a handle and was just barely too extended, but I picked it up anyway. I'm not sure what to make of LLL and AJG's wedging up so I bot small positions with tight stops. Wanted to ride them for 10% or so if I could get it. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tangen, Eric" Subject: QP2+HGSI vs. DGO (RE: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting Date: 09 Oct 2001 14:37:16 -0400 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C150F1.6B620190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All, I found Tom's experience with the DGO legal department deeply troubling. I related the story to both Quotes Plus and HGSI and asked about their IP stance on this issue. Ian Woodward himself responded in darn near real time; he stated that there are no similar restriction for the data generated by the HGSI program. I would expect QuotesPlus to support Ian's position. Ian's got the big stick. (Inside joke). So - for those QuotesPlus/HGSI users out there...at this time, we are free to publish watch list spreadsheets to the group with QP2 or HGSI data. ERIC TANGEN -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM CANSLIM Discussion Group Members I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice. I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention. Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently. I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas. This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach. The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD). Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results. Sincerely, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------_=_NextPart_001_01C150F1.6B620190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
All,
I found Tom's experience with the DGO legal department deeply troubling. I related the story to both Quotes Plus and HGSI and asked about their IP stance on this issue. Ian Woodward himself responded in darn near real time; he stated that there are no similar restriction for the data generated by the HGSI program. I would expect QuotesPlus to support Ian's position. Ian's got the big stick. (Inside joke).
 
So - for those QuotesPlus/HGSI users out there...at this time, we are free to publish watch list spreadsheets to the group with QP2 or HGSI data.

ERIC TANGEN

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:57 PM
To: DGOnline Customer Service; CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data

To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online
    CANSLIM Discussion Group Members
 
I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I was warned that not only could my service be discontinued, but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended practice.
 
I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I had reviewed and found worthy of mention.  Obviously, Ms. McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently.
 
I would also note that despite my frequent and strong support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once received a thank you from DGO. I cooperated with a reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article as I never heard back from her once she got her information. I also note that there have been numerous instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or idea for the article. To me that is theft of intellectual property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas.
 
This legal notice I received again confirms to me that this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky approach.
 
The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in the head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they had finally recognized my ability to make good money even in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in the past six trading days, and continues to beat every major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO or IBD).
 
Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that service to this group. But with this "one way" policy so directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, I will not make further recommendations to members to buy this service and will look for alternative means to achieve the same results.
 
Sincerely,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
------_=_NextPart_001_01C150F1.6B620190-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] AHMH and DROL Date: 09 Oct 2001 19:06:26 -0700 On the IBD stock check up page of Investors.com I notice both of these companies are first in all the categories. I guess they must be tied for first or something but I have noticed that multiple stocks can hold the same position on the check up page. I think DROL looks great and I wish I had picked AHMH, that one is a little out of reach for me at this point but I think watching DROL is a good idea. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: [CANSLIM] IHSC Date: 09 Oct 2001 21:06:34 -0500 This stock broke out of a 3 month base today on 12x avg. vol. EPS RNK 97, RS 95, GRP RS 90 ( these are HGS rankings which I believe use the same formula for calculations as does our mentor except they don't mind getting free advertising) One year growth rate 85.62%, two most recent qrts. 80.95% & 50.26%. Only 3.03 shrs out, float 2.8 Here are the fundies I really like. IHSC industry grp. Avg. PE 12.22 34 PS .79 1.67 1yr growth 85.62 53.78 inst. own 13.8% 53.97% It does have some warts. Debt/equity 6.85, but it is declining. Also market cap only 54.1M ( Tom's range?) and light on avg. daily volume only 26,772. Other good stuff ROE 66.18 and in the most recently reported quarter they had $7.72 in cash per share! The stock closed today at $17.88. I plan to get some in the morning. E ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Date: 09 Oct 2001 21:54:03 -0600 Harvey Thanks for pointing that out. I first loaded the Beta version about a month= =20 ago on my work laptop and only looked it over once at work. Either I missed= =20 that tab then or it wasnt there on my first download. I put it on my home=20 computer today and like what I see. What a relief. Maybe they really have=20 been listening to what their customers want. I just hope they're reasonable= =20 about whatever extra they are going to charge for it. I've only had a brief chance to try it out tonight. I did a screen across=20 all eight categories which I was surprised and pleased I could do. I looked= =20 for RS of 65, % change of latest quarter of 24%, % change of latest=20 quarters sales of 15%, % stock owned by funds max of 20%, price greater=20 than 5 bucks, and debt% less than 75%. And I did a secondary sort of vol%=20 change vs. 50dma. That screen came up with 168 stocks. Much more manageable= =20 than my screens with DGO which usually were 500 plus stocks out of the 2855= =20 of the DG index. I'd still like to verify that the screens encompass the 'entire database'.= =20 Is that 11,000 stocks or the 2855? And I haven't had a chance to try and figure out how to import my saved=20 screen list into DGO. At 12:26 AM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote: >"The Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard allows you to scan the entire >O'Neil Database=AE for stocks matching various criteria in 8 different >categories." > >Based on a quick look, this tool appears to screen for just about >everything in the datablock --- and a lot more. Unfortunately, it looks >like they plan to charge extra for it when the beta ends. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Maycock" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC Date: 09 Oct 2001 22:00:15 -0700 It seems to have a bigger wart than you might think. The upside will be limited as it has an offer on the table to acquire all the shares for $18/sh. Otherwise it looked really good. John -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hill, Ernie Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 7:07 PM This stock broke out of a 3 month base today on 12x avg. vol. EPS RNK 97, RS 95, GRP RS 90 ( these are HGS rankings which I believe use the same formula for calculations as does our mentor except they don't mind getting free advertising) One year growth rate 85.62%, two most recent qrts. 80.95% & 50.26%. Only 3.03 shrs out, float 2.8 Here are the fundies I really like. IHSC industry grp. Avg. PE 12.22 34 PS .79 1.67 1yr growth 85.62 53.78 inst. own 13.8% 53.97% It does have some warts. Debt/equity 6.85, but it is declining. Also market cap only 54.1M ( Tom's range?) and light on avg. daily volume only 26,772. Other good stuff ROE 66.18 and in the most recently reported quarter they had $7.72 in cash per share! The stock closed today at $17.88. I plan to get some in the morning. E ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 09 Oct 2001 22:19:27 -0700 what did I tell you Dave? Hopefully you didn't buy ACS yesterday like I did also........maybe tomorrow that one will correct as well. Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM > Dave, > > Bad news, I bought BVF today too. This has been the kiss of death for a > stock lately. Actually I planned to buy it last night with a buy stop > loss of 47.50. Sure enough, it took. > > Gee, maybe I'm starting to catch on...........we will see. > > Perry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "esetser" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > > > > Yes, I noticed it moved up nicely late in the day. Given the holiday-ish > > stance, the volume was pretty good. I may watch it closely tomorrow. > > > > > > At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: > > >Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but still > a > > >new high on above average volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. Think it > > >should show up on radar screens tomorrow. > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Dave > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: [CANSLIM] CYTC Date: 09 Oct 2001 22:19:36 -0700 OK, To me this looks like a handle that's developed above the left rim of a small one month cup.......kind of drying up volume, drifting down slightly.........so where would you put the pivot? Just a dime over the high of 10/2, at 29.03? Not interested in the stock at this time, just wondering what the group thought of the chart. Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Brion Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Date: 09 Oct 2001 22:50:22 -0700 Doug, Regarding the database, I take it to mean the same database used for IBD, I think 6000 or more but don't know the number. My guess is there's no easy way to import to Stock Lists in the new beta version of DGO because there's no "import" capability like in the current version. I asked them a couple weeks ago if I could transfer stock lists from the current version into the beta version and they said no, they have to be reentered manually. (Hard to believe in this age of automation --- I think this is a major drawback of the beta version.) In the beta version your stock lists are kept on their server instead of on your computer. They say that's so you can access your stock lists from any computer. I submitted both these questions to DGO customer service and will post the answers when received. DougC wrote: > Harvey > > Thanks for pointing that out. I first loaded the Beta version about a month > ago on my work laptop and only looked it over once at work. Either I missed > that tab then or it wasnt there on my first download. I put it on my home > computer today and like what I see. What a relief. Maybe they really have > been listening to what their customers want. I just hope they're reasonable > about whatever extra they are going to charge for it. > > I've only had a brief chance to try it out tonight. I did a screen across > all eight categories which I was surprised and pleased I could do. I looked > for RS of 65, % change of latest quarter of 24%, % change of latest > quarters sales of 15%, % stock owned by funds max of 20%, price greater > than 5 bucks, and debt% less than 75%. And I did a secondary sort of vol% > change vs. 50dma. That screen came up with 168 stocks. Much more manageable > than my screens with DGO which usually were 500 plus stocks out of the 2855 > of the DG index. > > I'd still like to verify that the screens encompass the 'entire database'. > Is that 11,000 stocks or the 2855? > And I haven't had a chance to try and figure out how to import my saved > screen list into DGO. > > At 12:26 AM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote: > >"The Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard allows you to scan the entire > >O'Neil Database® for stocks matching various criteria in 8 different > >categories." > > > >Based on a quick look, this tool appears to screen for just about > >everything in the datablock --- and a lot more. Unfortunately, it looks > >like they plan to charge extra for it when the beta ends. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 10 Oct 2001 05:54:05 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C1514F.F8CDFD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wouldn't panic just yet, Perry. Remember that you are buying an = extended stock without a clean and nearby base established. Keep a tight = stop loss on it, tho. Same with ACS. If you like the drug companies, you might want to check out Bayer A.G. - = trades on the European bourses, but not here I think. It is the only = maker of US approved oral antibiotic for anthrax exposure. This is a = product line that was expected to underperform as the patent runs out in = 2004, but they have already sold out their inventory and are ramping up = production. It is a high margin product line. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Stanfield=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF what did I tell you Dave? Hopefully you didn't buy ACS yesterday = like I did also........maybe tomorrow that one will correct as well. Perry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Stanfield" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > Dave, > > Bad news, I bought BVF today too. This has been the kiss of death = for a > stock lately. Actually I planned to buy it last night with a buy = stop > loss of 47.50. Sure enough, it took. > > Gee, maybe I'm starting to catch on...........we will see. > > Perry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "esetser" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > > > > Yes, I noticed it moved up nicely late in the day. Given the holiday-ish > > stance, the volume was pretty good. I may watch it closely = tomorrow. > > > > > > At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: > > >Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, = but still > a > > >new high on above average volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. = Think it > > >should show up on radar screens tomorrow. > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Dave > > > > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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I wouldn't panic just yet, Perry. Remember that you = are buying=20 an extended stock without a clean and nearby base established. Keep a = tight stop=20 loss on it, tho. Same with ACS.
 
If you like the drug companies, you might want to = check out=20 Bayer A.G. - trades on the European bourses, but not here I think. It is = the=20 only maker of US approved oral antibiotic for anthrax exposure. This is = a=20 product line that was expected to underperform as the patent runs out in = 2004,=20 but they have already sold out their inventory and are ramping up = production. It=20 is a high margin product line.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Perry = Stanfield=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 1:19=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = BVF

what did I tell you Dave?  Hopefully you didn't = buy ACS=20 yesterday  like I
did also........maybe tomorrow that one will = correct=20 as well.

Perry


----- Original Message -----
From: = "Perry=20 Stanfield" <mpstan@home.com>
To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = BVF


>=20 Dave,
>
> Bad news, I bought BVF today too.   = This has=20 been the kiss of death for a
> stock   = lately.  =20 Actually I planned to buy it last night with a buy stop
> loss = of=20 47.50.  Sure enough, it took.
>
> Gee, maybe I'm = starting to=20 catch on...........we will see.
>
> = Perry
>
>
>=20 ----- Original Message -----
> From: "esetser" <esetser@covad.net>
> = = href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 BVF
>
>
> > Yes, I noticed it moved up nicely = late in the=20 day.  Given the
holiday-ish
> > stance, the volume = was pretty=20 good.  I may watch it closely tomorrow.
> >
> = >
>=20 > At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Just = bought BVF.=20 Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but
still
> = a
>=20 > >new high on above average volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. = Think=20 it
> > >should show up on radar screens tomorrow.
> = >=20 >
> > >
> > >--
> > = >Dave
> >=20 >
> > >
> > >-
> > >-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ; >=20 >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
> >=20 >-"unsubscribe canslim".  Do not use quotes in your = email.
>=20 > >
> > >
> >
> > -
> > = -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ; >=20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
> > = -"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your = email.
>
>
>=20 -
> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ; -In=20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
> -"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your email.


-
-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C1514F.F8CDFD00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DORL Date: 10 Oct 2001 06:00:21 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C15150.D87A1EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree, Dave. Yesterday's volume was nearly double ADV. Only blemish I = see is funds own 20%, but with Management still owning 22% I don't see = that as a problem. Otherwise looks good. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] DORL DORL looks poised to breakout from CH. Waiting for some volume... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C15150.D87A1EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree, Dave. Yesterday's volume was nearly double = ADV. Only=20 blemish I see is funds own 20%, but with Management still owning 22% I = don't see=20 that as a problem. Otherwise looks good.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 = 10:01=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DORL

DORL looks poised to breakout from CH. Waiting for some = volume...

-
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-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C15150.D87A1EC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 08:25:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C15165.30E2C800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug, This wasn't initially there, don't know when it was added as I hadn't = bothered with the beta version in several weeks. I tried it this morning, guess my criteria was too tight as the scan = gave me zero candidates. Guess I'll have to uncheck that box for = guaranteed profits!! It also didn't like my entry of 0.5, told me that was not a numeric = entry. Guess math and programming has changed since I last went to = school. I have also asked for confirmation that they scan the entire database of = US exchange traded stocks rather than just the 2,800 or so in the DG = books. Will be interested in the answer, as so far DGO has not been = willing to break away from the books. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Harvey Thanks for pointing that out. I first loaded the Beta version about a = month=20 ago on my work laptop and only looked it over once at work. Either I = missed=20 that tab then or it wasnt there on my first download. I put it on my = home=20 computer today and like what I see. What a relief. Maybe they really = have=20 been listening to what their customers want. I just hope they're = reasonable=20 about whatever extra they are going to charge for it. I've only had a brief chance to try it out tonight. I did a screen = across=20 all eight categories which I was surprised and pleased I could do. I = looked=20 for RS of 65, % change of latest quarter of 24%, % change of latest=20 quarters sales of 15%, % stock owned by funds max of 20%, price = greater=20 than 5 bucks, and debt% less than 75%. And I did a secondary sort of = vol%=20 change vs. 50dma. That screen came up with 168 stocks. Much more = manageable=20 than my screens with DGO which usually were 500 plus stocks out of the = 2855=20 of the DG index. I'd still like to verify that the screens encompass the 'entire = database'.=20 Is that 11,000 stocks or the 2855? And I haven't had a chance to try and figure out how to import my = saved=20 screen list into DGO. At 12:26 AM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote: >"The Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard allows you to scan the entire >O'Neil Database=AE for stocks matching various criteria in 8 = different >categories." > >Based on a quick look, this tool appears to screen for just about >everything in the datablock --- and a lot more. Unfortunately, it = looks >like they plan to charge extra for it when the beta ends. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C15165.30E2C800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Doug,
 
This wasn't initially there, don't know when it was = added as I=20 hadn't bothered with the beta version in several weeks.
 
I tried it this morning, guess my criteria was too = tight as=20 the scan gave me zero candidates. Guess I'll have to uncheck that box = for=20 guaranteed profits!!
 
It also didn't like my entry of 0.5, told me that = was not a=20 numeric entry. Guess math and programming has changed since I last went = to=20 school.
 
I have also asked for confirmation that they scan = the entire=20 database of US exchange traded stocks rather than just the 2,800 or so = in the DG=20 books. Will be interested in the answer, as so far DGO has not been = willing to=20 break away from the books.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 = 11:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO = (Beta)=20 Screening Tool

Harvey

Thanks for pointing that out. I first = loaded the=20 Beta version about a month
ago on my work laptop and only looked = it over=20 once at work. Either I missed
that tab then or it wasnt there on = my first=20 download. I put it on my home
computer today and like what I see. = What a=20 relief. Maybe they really have
been listening to what their = customers=20 want. I just hope they're reasonable
about whatever extra they are = going=20 to charge for it.

I've only had a brief chance to try it out = tonight. I=20 did a screen across
all eight categories which I was surprised and = pleased=20 I could do. I looked
for RS of 65, % change of latest quarter of = 24%, %=20 change of latest
quarters sales of 15%, % stock owned by funds max = of 20%,=20 price greater
than 5 bucks, and debt% less than 75%. And I did a = secondary=20 sort of vol%
change vs. 50dma. That screen came up with 168 = stocks. Much=20 more manageable
than my screens with DGO which usually were 500 = plus=20 stocks out of the 2855
of the DG index.

I'd still like to = verify=20 that the screens encompass the 'entire database'.
Is that 11,000 = stocks or=20 the 2855?
And I haven't had a chance to try and figure out how to = import my=20 saved
screen list into DGO.




At 12:26 AM 10/9/01 = -0700,=20 you wrote:
>"The Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard allows you to = scan=20 the entire
>O'Neil Database=AE for stocks matching various = criteria in 8=20 different
>categories."
>
>Based on a quick look, = this tool=20 appears to screen for just about
>everything in the datablock = --- and a=20 lot more.  Unfortunately, it looks
>like they plan to = charge extra=20 for it when the beta ends.
>
>
>-
>-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ;-In=20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
>-"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your email.


-
-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C15165.30E2C800-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve F Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 05:41:08 -0700 (PDT) I just updated the beta version this morning and still do not see any screening capabilities. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Doug, > > This wasn't initially there, don't know when it was > added as I hadn't bothered with the beta version in > several weeks. > > I tried it this morning, guess my criteria was too > tight as the scan gave me zero candidates. Guess > I'll have to uncheck that box for guaranteed > profits!! > > It also didn't like my entry of 0.5, told me that > was not a numeric entry. Guess math and programming > has changed since I last went to school. > > I have also asked for confirmation that they scan > the entire database of US exchange traded stocks > rather than just the 2,800 or so in the DG books. > Will be interested in the answer, as so far DGO has > not been willing to break away from the books. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DougC > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening > Tool > > > Harvey > > Thanks for pointing that out. I first loaded the > Beta version about a month > ago on my work laptop and only looked it over once > at work. Either I missed > that tab then or it wasnt there on my first > download. I put it on my home > computer today and like what I see. What a relief. > Maybe they really have > been listening to what their customers want. I > just hope they're reasonable > about whatever extra they are going to charge for > it. > > I've only had a brief chance to try it out > tonight. I did a screen across > all eight categories which I was surprised and > pleased I could do. I looked > for RS of 65, % change of latest quarter of 24%, % > change of latest > quarters sales of 15%, % stock owned by funds max > of 20%, price greater > than 5 bucks, and debt% less than 75%. And I did a > secondary sort of vol% > change vs. 50dma. That screen came up with 168 > stocks. Much more manageable > than my screens with DGO which usually were 500 > plus stocks out of the 2855 > of the DG index. > > I'd still like to verify that the screens > encompass the 'entire database'. > Is that 11,000 stocks or the 2855? > And I haven't had a chance to try and figure out > how to import my saved > screen list into DGO. > > > > > At 12:26 AM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote: > >"The Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard allows you > to scan the entire > >O'Neil Database® for stocks matching various > criteria in 8 different > >categories." > > > >Based on a quick look, this tool appears to > screen for just about > >everything in the datablock --- and a lot more. > Unfortunately, it looks > >like they plan to charge extra for it when the > beta ends. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 08:59:56 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C15169.EF562260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable look at the top of the screen. there is a new button next to the one to = get on the system after you have logged on. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Steve F=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool I just updated the beta version this morning and still do not see any screening capabilities. Steve --- Tom Worley wrote: > Doug, >=20 > This wasn't initially there, don't know when it was > added as I hadn't bothered with the beta version in > several weeks. >=20 > I tried it this morning, guess my criteria was too > tight as the scan gave me zero candidates. Guess > I'll have to uncheck that box for guaranteed > profits!! >=20 > It also didn't like my entry of 0.5, told me that > was not a numeric entry. Guess math and programming > has changed since I last went to school. >=20 > I have also asked for confirmation that they scan > the entire database of US exchange traded stocks > rather than just the 2,800 or so in the DG books. > Will be interested in the answer, as so far DGO has > not been willing to break away from the books. >=20 > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: DougC=20 > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening > Tool >=20 >=20 > Harvey >=20 > Thanks for pointing that out. I first loaded the > Beta version about a month=20 > ago on my work laptop and only looked it over once > at work. Either I missed=20 > that tab then or it wasnt there on my first > download. I put it on my home=20 > computer today and like what I see. What a relief. > Maybe they really have=20 > been listening to what their customers want. I > just hope they're reasonable=20 > about whatever extra they are going to charge for > it. >=20 > I've only had a brief chance to try it out > tonight. I did a screen across=20 > all eight categories which I was surprised and > pleased I could do. I looked=20 > for RS of 65, % change of latest quarter of 24%, % > change of latest=20 > quarters sales of 15%, % stock owned by funds max > of 20%, price greater=20 > than 5 bucks, and debt% less than 75%. And I did a > secondary sort of vol%=20 > change vs. 50dma. That screen came up with 168 > stocks. Much more manageable=20 > than my screens with DGO which usually were 500 > plus stocks out of the 2855=20 > of the DG index. >=20 > I'd still like to verify that the screens > encompass the 'entire database'.=20 > Is that 11,000 stocks or the 2855? > And I haven't had a chance to try and figure out > how to import my saved=20 > screen list into DGO. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > At 12:26 AM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote: > >"The Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard allows you > to scan the entire > >O'Neil Database=AE for stocks matching various > criteria in 8 different > >categories." > > > >Based on a quick look, this tool appears to > screen for just about > >everything in the datablock --- and a lot more.=20 > Unfortunately, it looks > >like they plan to charge extra for it when the > beta ends. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your email. >=20 >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. >=20 >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C15169.EF562260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
look at the top of the screen. there is a new button = next to=20 the one to get on the system after you have logged on.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Steve = F=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 8:41=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO = (Beta)=20 Screening Tool

I just updated the beta version this morning and = still
do=20 not see any screening capabilities.

Steve


--- Tom = Worley=20 <stkguru@netside.net> = wrote:
> Doug,
>
> This wasn't initially there, = don't know=20 when it was
> added as I hadn't bothered with the beta version=20 in
> several weeks.
>
> I tried it this morning, = guess my=20 criteria was too
> tight as the scan gave me zero candidates.=20 Guess
> I'll have to uncheck that box for guaranteed
>=20 profits!!
>
> It also didn't like my entry of 0.5, told = me=20 that
> was not a numeric entry. Guess math and = programming
> has=20 changed since I last went to school.
>
> I have also = asked for=20 confirmation that they scan
> the entire database of US exchange = traded=20 stocks
> rather than just the 2,800 or so in the DG = books.
> Will=20 be interested in the answer, as so far DGO has
> not been = willing to=20 break away from the books.
>
> Tom Worley
> stkguru@netside.net
> = AIM:=20 TexWorley
>
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: DougC
>   To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 11:54=20 PM
>   Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) = Screening
>=20 Tool
>
>
>   Harvey
> =
>  =20 Thanks for pointing that out. I first loaded the
> Beta version = about a=20 month
>   ago on my work laptop and only looked it = over=20 once
> at work. Either I missed
>   that tab = then or it=20 wasnt there on my first
> download. I put it on my home=20
>   computer today and like what I see. What a=20 relief.
> Maybe they really have
>   been = listening to=20 what their customers want. I
> just hope they're reasonable=20
>   about whatever extra they are going to charge = for
>=20 it.
>
>   I've only had a brief chance to try = it=20 out
> tonight. I did a screen across
>   all = eight=20 categories which I was surprised and
> pleased I could do. I = looked=20
>   for RS of 65, % change of latest quarter of 24%,=20 %
> change of latest
>   quarters sales of 15%, = % stock=20 owned by funds max
> of 20%, price greater
>   = than 5=20 bucks, and debt% less than 75%. And I did a
> secondary sort of = vol%=20
>   change vs. 50dma. That screen came up with = 168
>=20 stocks. Much more manageable
>   than my screens with = DGO=20 which usually were 500
> plus stocks out of the 2855=20
>   of the DG index.
>
>   I'd = still=20 like to verify that the screens
> encompass the 'entire = database'.=20
>   Is that 11,000 stocks or the = 2855?
>  =20 And I haven't had a chance to try and figure out
> how to import = my=20 saved
>   screen list into DGO.
>
> =
>=20
>
>   At 12:26 AM 10/9/01 -0700, you=20 wrote:
>   >"The Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard = allows=20 you
> to scan the entire
>   >O'Neil = Database=AE for=20 stocks matching various
> criteria in 8 = different
>  =20 >categories."
>   >
>   = >Based on a=20 quick look, this tool appears to
> screen for just=20 about
>   >everything in the datablock --- and a = lot more.=20
> Unfortunately, it looks
>   >like they = plan to=20 charge extra for it when the
> beta ends.
>  =20 >
>   >
>   = >-
>  =20 >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email
> "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ;  =20 >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" = or
>  =20 >-"unsubscribe canslim".  Do not use quotes in
> your=20 email.
>
>
>   -
>   -To = subscribe/unsubscribe, email
> "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ;  =20 -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
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> = email.
>=20
> =


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------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C15169.EF562260-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 10 Oct 2001 09:46:50 -0400 If you could tell us your picks before you buy, we can make some money on the short side :) BVF is apparently not ready. It's fighting a bad market over the past two days, but the increased volume and violation of the pivot is bad news. Seems like one of those situations where you don't need to wait for a 7% loss to bail out. I am sorely reminded of the spring rally, when I made several buys on sound breakouts yet they all failed within a week. I think this market may need one more retest of those lows... -- Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Perry Stanfield > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:19 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > > > what did I tell you Dave? Hopefully you didn't buy ACS > yesterday like I > did also........maybe tomorrow that one will correct as well. > > Perry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Perry Stanfield" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > > > > Dave, > > > > Bad news, I bought BVF today too. This has been the kiss of > death for a > > stock lately. Actually I planned to buy it last night > with a buy stop > > loss of 47.50. Sure enough, it took. > > > > Gee, maybe I'm starting to catch on...........we will see. > > > > Perry > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "esetser" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > > > > > > > Yes, I noticed it moved up nicely late in the day. Given the > holiday-ish > > > stance, the volume was pretty good. I may watch it closely > tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but > still > > a > > > >new high on above average volume on a slow day. > 99/87/A/A/A. Think it > > > >should show up on radar screens tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Dave > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 10 Oct 2001 08:09:39 -0600 On 10 Oct 01, at 9:46, Dave wrote: > If you could tell us your picks before you buy, we can make some money on > the short side :) > > BVF is apparently not ready. It's fighting a bad market over the past two > days, but the increased volume and violation of the pivot is bad news. > Seems like one of those situations where you don't need to wait for a 7% > loss to bail out. I would not call it a bad market, I would call it a dull market, maybe a consolidating market. The S&P has formed a flag over the last few days, a continuation pattern that would tend to indicate a move higher at some point (maybe that's what's going on now). - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 10:06:24 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C15173.385B9720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This just back from CusServ The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire O'Neil Database=AE for U.S. = stocks and is not limited to the stocks in the Daily Graphs Printed Products or = the Daily Graphs Printed Product Company Index Report on Daily Graphs = Online. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C15173.385B9720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This just back from CusServ
 
The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire O'Neil = Database=AE for=20 U.S. stocks
and is not limited to the stocks in the Daily Graphs = Printed=20 Products or the
Daily Graphs Printed Product Company Index Report on = Daily=20 Graphs Online.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C15173.385B9720-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Harvey Brion Subject: [CANSLIM] [Fwd: RE: Custom Screen Wizard Questions [DougC Questions]] Date: 10 Oct 2001 07:37:44 -0700 I believe the new Custom Screens tab appeared on Monday. Here is the response to DougC's questions. -------- Original Message -------- Hello, Thank you for your recent email to Daily Graphs Online and for participating in our beta release. There are approximately 10,000 stocks in the O'Neil Database(. We are currently working on a feature that will enable you to transfer your Custom Screen results into a Daily Graphs Online Stock List. If you have any other questions or comments, feel free to email us back. Regards, Jorge Daily Graphs Online -----Original Message----- Sender : hbrion@ieee.org Tracking Number : T20011010006YZ858134 Pool : Daily Graphs Online Sent to : custserv@dailygraphs.com Date : 10/9/01 10:32 PM --- 1. Approximately how many stocks are in "the entire O'Neil Database(r)?" 2. Is there any way to transfer or import the Custom Screen Results (stock symbols and names) into a DGO Stock List for easy viewing of the charts? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 10:18:59 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A9F_01C15174.FA0BD460 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0AA0_01C15174.FA0BD460" ------=_NextPart_001_0AA0_01C15174.FA0BD460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, folks can no longer say that DGO has no screening capability and = (IMHO) what they have implemented on their beta version will be a great = (first pass) 'mining' tool. I say first pass because I would like to see = a delta feature to compare today's data to earlier time periods. Thanks for the heads-up on 'it' scanning the entire WON database. I did notice the following on the bottom of my screen results.=20 Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your personal use only. The = screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, message = boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or = services for sale.... just for you?=20 Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool This just back from CusServ The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire O'Neil Database=AE for U.S. = stocks and is not limited to the stocks in the Daily Graphs Printed Products = or the Daily Graphs Printed Product Company Index Report on Daily Graphs = Online. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_001_0AA0_01C15174.FA0BD460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tom, folks can no longer say that DGO has no screening=20 capability and (IMHO) what they have implemented on their beta version = will be a=20 great (first pass) 'mining' tool. I say first pass because I would like = to see a=20 delta feature to compare today's data to earlier time=20 periods.
 
Thanks for the heads-up on 'it' scanning the entire WON=20 database.
 
I did notice the following on the bottom of my screen=20 results. 
 
Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your personal = use only.=20 The screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, message = boards,=20 Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or services for = sale....=20 just for you? 3D""
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 9:06=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard DGO=20 screening tool

This just back from CusServ
 
The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire O'Neil = Database=AE=20 for U.S. stocks
and is not limited to the stocks in the Daily = Graphs=20 Printed Products or the
Daily Graphs Printed Product Company Index = Report=20 on Daily Graphs Online.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Date: 10 Oct 2001 08:21:22 -0700 Watching PRX, found support at 30, now shooting for 38+ on hvy vol. Has formed a nice dbl bottom with the high at 42&change. Frankly I don't see a "war effect" here just yet, which is not surprising given the limited nature of the conflict for now. I do see a lot of stocks consolidating their gains from the past week or two and forming flags, which I view as very healthy mkt action. I too noticed the flag in the S&P and am eagerly waiting a breakout to the upside. If it breaks down I think it is all bets off for the short term. For those watching CPRT my $0.02 is that is wedging down, a very bad formation, but today's action is encouraging, altho on light vol. I have however been known to be wrong >50% of the time ;) CYTC also appears to be wedging down but is holding up nonetheless. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] [Fwd: RE: Custom Screen Wizard Questions [DougC Date: 10 Oct 2001 09:51:05 -0700 Awesome. Thanks Harvey. At 07:37 AM 10/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >I believe the new Custom Screens tab appeared on Monday. Here is the >response to DougC's questions. > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: RE: Custom Screen Wizard Questions [T20011010006Y] >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:22:28 -0700 >From: Custserv@dailygraphs.com >To: hbrion@ieee.org > >Hello, > >Thank you for your recent email to Daily Graphs Online and for >participating in our beta release. There are approximately 10,000 stocks >in the O'Neil Database(. We are currently working on a feature that will >enable you to transfer your Custom Screen results into a Daily Graphs >Online Stock List. If you have any other questions or comments, feel >free to email us back. > >Regards, >Jorge >Daily Graphs Online > > -----Original Message----- >Sender : hbrion@ieee.org >Tracking Number : T20011010006YZ858134 >Pool : Daily Graphs Online >Sent to : custserv@dailygraphs.com >Date : 10/9/01 10:32 PM >--- > >1. Approximately how many stocks are in "the entire O'Neil >Database(r)?" > >2. Is there any way to transfer or import the Custom Screen Results >(stock symbols and names) into a DGO Stock List for easy viewing of the >charts? > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Doug Chiurato dzc@qwest.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 11:41:42 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C15180.88B96640 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003B_01C15180.88CA2F20" ------=_NextPart_001_003B_01C15180.88CA2F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why am I not shocked that you cannot post the results of your own = personal screen? Sure seems to me, especially given the rather = elaborate and detailed screening criteria that you can set up, that this = is personal intellectual property rather than DGO property. But then, = DGO CustServ or Ms. McKnight have yet to respond to my email letter to = them. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Hi Tom, folks can no longer say that DGO has no screening capability = and (IMHO) what they have implemented on their beta version will be a = great (first pass) 'mining' tool. I say first pass because I would like = to see a delta feature to compare today's data to earlier time periods. =20 Thanks for the heads-up on 'it' scanning the entire WON database. I did notice the following on the bottom of my screen results.=20 =20 Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your personal use only. = The screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, message = boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or = services for sale.... just for you?=20 Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool This just back from CusServ The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire O'Neil Database=AE for = U.S. stocks and is not limited to the stocks in the Daily Graphs Printed = Products or the Daily Graphs Printed Product Company Index Report on Daily Graphs = Online. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_001_003B_01C15180.88CA2F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Why am I not shocked that you cannot post the = results of your=20 own personal screen?  Sure seems to me, especially given the rather = elaborate and detailed screening criteria that you can set up, that this = is=20 personal intellectual property rather than DGO property. But then, DGO = CustServ=20 or Ms. McKnight have yet to respond to my email letter to = them.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 11:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard DGO=20 screening tool

Hi Tom, folks can no longer say that DGO has no screening = capability and (IMHO) what they have implemented on their beta version = will be=20 a great (first pass) 'mining' tool. I say first pass because I would = like to=20 see a delta feature to compare today's data to earlier time=20 periods.
 
Thanks for the heads-up on 'it' scanning the entire WON=20 database.
 
I did notice the following on the bottom of my screen=20 results. 
 
Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your personal = use only.=20 The screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, message = boards,=20 Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or services for = sale.... just for you? 3D""
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 9:06=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard DGO=20 screening tool

This just back from CusServ
 
The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire O'Neil = Database=AE=20 for U.S. stocks
and is not limited to the stocks in the Daily = Graphs=20 Printed Products or the
Daily Graphs Printed Product Company = Index Report=20 on Daily Graphs Online.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Date: 10 Oct 2001 11:49:32 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C15181.A0916A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tim, I see a couple problems with PRX. First, it is very pricy, trading at = about ten times market cap to sales ratio, and 222 times trailing = earnings. Second, while DGO shows projected earnings for this year at = $1.31, it has only earned 13 cents through the first half of the year. = That makes the second half a serious over achiever if it is to meet the = estimates. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Watching PRX, found support at 30, now shooting for 38+ on hvy vol. = Has formed a nice dbl bottom with the high at 42&change. Frankly I don't = see a "war effect" here just yet, which is not surprising given the = limited nature of the conflict for now. I do see a lot of stocks consolidating their gains from the past week or two and forming flags, which I view = as very healthy mkt action. I too noticed the flag in the S&P and am eagerly waiting a breakout to the upside. If it breaks down I think it is all bets off for the short term. For those watching CPRT my $0.02 = is that is wedging down, a very bad formation, but today's action is encouraging, altho on light vol. I have however been known to be wrong >50% of the time ;) CYTC also appears to be wedging down but is = holding up nonetheless.=20 Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C15181.A0916A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tim,
 
I see a couple problems with PRX. First, it is very = pricy,=20 trading at about ten times market cap to sales ratio, and 222 times = trailing=20 earnings. Second, while DGO shows projected earnings for this year at = $1.31, it=20 has only earned 13 cents through the first half of the year. That makes = the=20 second half a serious over achiever if it is to meet the = estimates.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: Canslim
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 11:21=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Watching=20 today...

Watching PRX, found support at 30, now shooting for 38+ = on hvy=20 vol. Has
formed a nice dbl bottom with the high at 42&change. = Frankly I=20 don't see
a "war effect" here just yet, which is not surprising = given the=20 limited
nature of the conflict for now. I do see a lot of stocks=20 consolidating
their gains from the past week or two and forming = flags,=20 which I view as
very healthy mkt action. I too noticed the flag in = the=20 S&P and am
eagerly waiting a breakout to the upside. If it = breaks down=20 I think it
is all bets off for the short term. For those watching = CPRT my=20 $0.02 is
that is wedging down, a very bad formation, but today's = action=20 is
encouraging, altho on light vol. I have however been known to be = wrong
>50% of the time ;) CYTC also appears to be wedging down = but is=20 holding
up nonetheless.

Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon = Rockhounds=20 Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com


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------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C15181.A0916A00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Quinn" Subject: [CANSLIM] Question for Tom Worley Date: 10 Oct 2001 09:05:02 -0700 You seem to know a great deal about fundamental/business model analysis.= Can you recommend some good books on the subject? Jack _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question for Tom Worley Date: 10 Oct 2001 12:11:38 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15184.B6CE7080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, Jack, the only book I have read that made sense against the = background of life experience is HTMMIS (How To Make Money In Stocks, by = Wm. O'Neil) Perhaps the group can offer up a few other selections. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jack Quinn=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Question for Tom Worley You seem to know a great deal about fundamental/business model = analysis. Can you recommend some good books on the subject? =20 Jack _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15184.B6CE7080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, Jack, the only book I have read that made = sense against=20 the background of life experience is HTMMIS (How To Make Money In = Stocks, by Wm.=20 O'Neil)
 
Perhaps the group can offer up a few other=20 selections.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jack=20 Quinn
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 12:05=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Question for = Tom=20 Worley

You seem to know a great deal about = fundamental/business model=20 analysis.  Can you recommend some good books on the = subject? =20 =

Jack


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-In= the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
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------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C15184.B6CE7080-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 09:45:57 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C15170.5C547370 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_006D_01C15170.5C547370" ------=_NextPart_001_006D_01C15170.5C547370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gene, Tom, It seems to me this is no different than posting a list picked out of = IBD newsprint using my own "mental" scanning system. So will this = feature be an added cost to the standard DGO $$$ service?=20 -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Why am I not shocked that you cannot post the results of your own = personal screen? Sure seems to me, especially given the rather = elaborate and detailed screening criteria that you can set up, that this = is personal intellectual property rather than DGO property. But then, = DGO CustServ or Ms. McKnight have yet to respond to my email letter to = them. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Hi Tom, folks can no longer say that DGO has no screening capability = and (IMHO) what they have implemented on their beta version will be a = great (first pass) 'mining' tool. I say first pass because I would like = to see a delta feature to compare today's data to earlier time periods. Thanks for the heads-up on 'it' scanning the entire WON database. I did notice the following on the bottom of my screen results.=20 Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your personal use only. = The screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, message = boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or = services for sale.... just for you?=20 Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool This just back from CusServ The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire O'Neil Database=AE for = U.S. stocks and is not limited to the stocks in the Daily Graphs Printed = Products or the Daily Graphs Printed Product Company Index Report on Daily Graphs = Online. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_001_006D_01C15170.5C547370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gene, Tom,
 
It seems to me this is no different = than posting a=20 list picked out of IBD newsprint using my own "mental" scanning system. = So will=20 this feature be an added cost to the standard DGO $$$ service? =
 
 
-Bill Triffet
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 8:41=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard DGO=20 screening tool

Why am I not shocked that you cannot post the = results of=20 your own personal screen?  Sure seems to me, especially given the = rather=20 elaborate and detailed screening criteria that you can set up, that = this is=20 personal intellectual property rather than DGO property. But then, DGO = CustServ or Ms. McKnight have yet to respond to my email letter to=20 them.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 11:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard=20 DGO screening tool

Hi Tom, folks can no longer say that DGO has no = screening=20 capability and (IMHO) what they have implemented on their beta = version will=20 be a great (first pass) 'mining' tool. I say first pass because I = would like=20 to see a delta feature to compare today's data to earlier time=20 periods.
 
Thanks for the heads-up on 'it' scanning the entire WON = database.
 
I did notice the following on the bottom of my screen=20 results. 
 
Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your = personal use=20 only. The screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, = message=20 boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or = services=20 for sale.... just for you? 3D""
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, October = 10, 2001=20 9:06 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard DGO=20 screening tool

This just back from CusServ
 
The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire = O'Neil=20 Database=AE for U.S. stocks
and is not limited to the stocks in = the Daily=20 Graphs Printed Products or the
Daily Graphs Printed Product = Company=20 Index Report on Daily Graphs Online.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 = TexWorley
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Date: 10 Oct 2001 09:46:58 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C15170.810351F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, I guess this is where we part ways with respect to interpreting financial data. I show a consensus estimate of $1.31 for FY 01 as well, but I show a $0.53 estimate for Q3 ended Sept 01 with the report yet to come (earnings scheduled for 10/25). So they have practically no income to count against the FY01 projection after 2 qtrs. I am assuming that the Q4 estimate is similarly high ($0.65) in order to come up with the $1.31 FY estimate. Further I show earnings estimate revisions upward from 20 cents to the current 53 cents in the past 3 months, 51% earnings growth, a forward P/E of 27 for full FY01, a PEG of 1, OK ROE (8%), high insider ownership, low inst. ownership, and very high ERS/RS/GRS in HGS. This is what I am looking for in a candidate - explosively accelerating earnings, very good CANSLIM numbers, promising chart. The only thing I am leery of is the loading of earnings into the last 2 qtrs, and I have researched this (in fact this AM before I wrote that email) and am comfortable as I can be with the projections. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:50 AM Hi Tim, I see a couple problems with PRX. First, it is very pricy, trading at about ten times market cap to sales ratio, and 222 times trailing earnings. Second, while DGO shows projected earnings for this year at $1.31, it has only earned 13 cents through the first half of the year. That makes the second half a serious over achiever if it is to meet the estimates. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:21 AM Watching PRX, found support at 30, now shooting for 38+ on hvy vol. Has formed a nice dbl bottom with the high at 42&change. Frankly I don't see a "war effect" here just yet, which is not surprising given the limited nature of the conflict for now. I do see a lot of stocks consolidating their gains from the past week or two and forming flags, which I view as very healthy mkt action. I too noticed the flag in the S&P and am eagerly waiting a breakout to the upside. If it breaks down I think it is all bets off for the short term. For those watching CPRT my $0.02 is that is wedging down, a very bad formation, but today's action is encouraging, altho on light vol. I have however been known to be wrong >50% of the time ;) CYTC also appears to be wedging down but is holding up nonetheless. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C15170.810351F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Tom, I=20 guess this is where we part ways with respect to interpreting financial = data. I=20 show a consensus estimate of $1.31 for FY 01 as well, but I show a $0.53 = estimate for Q3 ended Sept 01 with the report yet to come (earnings = scheduled=20 for 10/25). So they have practically no income to count against the FY01 = projection after 2 qtrs. I am assuming that the Q4 estimate is similarly = high=20 ($0.65) in order to come up with the $1.31 FY estimate. Further I show = earnings=20 estimate revisions upward from 20 cents to the current 53 cents in the = past 3=20 months, 51% earnings growth, a forward P/E of 27 for full FY01, a PEG of = 1, OK=20 ROE (8%), high insider ownership, low inst. ownership, and very = high=20 ERS/RS/GRS in HGS. This is what I am looking for in a candidate -=20 explosively accelerating earnings, very good CANSLIM numbers, promising = chart.=20 The only thing I am leery of is the loading of earnings into the last 2 = qtrs,=20 and I have researched this (in fact this AM before I wrote that email) = and am=20 comfortable as I can be with the projections.
 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On=20 Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 = 8:50=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 Watching today...

Hi Tim,
 
I see a couple problems with PRX. First, it is = very pricy,=20 trading at about ten times market cap to sales ratio, and 222 times = trailing=20 earnings. Second, while DGO shows projected earnings for this year at = $1.31,=20 it has only earned 13 cents through the first half of the year. That = makes the=20 second half a serious over achiever if it is to meet the=20 estimates.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: Canslim
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 11:21=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Watching=20 today...

Watching PRX,=20 found support at 30, now shooting for 38+ on hvy vol. Has
formed = a nice=20 dbl bottom with the high at 42&change. Frankly I don't see
a = "war=20 effect" here just yet, which is not surprising given the = limited
nature=20 of the conflict for now. I do see a lot of stocks = consolidating
their=20 gains from the past week or two and forming flags, which I view = as
very=20 healthy mkt action. I too noticed the flag in the S&P and = am
eagerly=20 waiting a breakout to the upside. If it breaks down I think it
is = all=20 bets off for the short term. For those watching CPRT my $0.02 = is
that is=20 wedging down, a very bad formation, but today's action = is
encouraging,=20 altho on light vol. I have however been known to be wrong
>50% = of the=20 time ;) CYTC also appears to be wedging down but is holding
up=20 nonetheless.

Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds=20 Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com

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yeah, and apparently you will get a legal notice if = you tell=20 anyone about the results.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Triffet
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 12:45=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard DGO=20 screening tool

Gene, Tom,
 
It seems to me this is no different = than posting=20 a list picked out of IBD newsprint using my own "mental" scanning = system. So=20 will this feature be an added cost to the standard DGO $$$ service?=20
 
 
-Bill Triffet
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 8:41=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard=20 DGO screening tool

Why am I not shocked that you cannot post the = results of=20 your own personal screen?  Sure seems to me, especially given = the=20 rather elaborate and detailed screening criteria that you can set = up, that=20 this is personal intellectual property rather than DGO property. But = then,=20 DGO CustServ or Ms. McKnight have yet to respond to my email letter = to=20 them.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Gene = Ricci=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October = 10, 2001=20 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Custom Wizard=20 DGO screening tool

Hi Tom, folks can no longer say that DGO has no = screening=20 capability and (IMHO) what they have implemented on their beta = version=20 will be a great (first pass) 'mining' tool. I say first pass = because I=20 would like to see a delta feature to compare today's data = to earlier=20 time periods.
 
Thanks for the heads-up on 'it' scanning the entire = WON=20 database.
 
I did notice the following on the bottom of my screen = results. 
 
Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your = personal use=20 only. The screens may not be posted for others to view on Web = sites,=20 message boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating = products or=20 services for sale.... just for you? 3D""
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, October = 10, 2001=20 9:06 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard=20 DGO screening tool

This just back from CusServ
 
The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire = O'Neil=20 Database=AE for U.S. stocks
and is not limited to the stocks = in the=20 Daily Graphs Printed Products or the
Daily Graphs Printed = Product=20 Company Index Report on Daily Graphs Online.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 = TexWorley
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Date: 10 Oct 2001 12:51:37 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C1518A.4CC685A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageTim, what do you use for forecasting quarterly earnings? That is = one area where I am seriously deficient. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Tom, I guess this is where we part ways with respect to interpreting = financial data. I show a consensus estimate of $1.31 for FY 01 as well, = but I show a $0.53 estimate for Q3 ended Sept 01 with the report yet to = come (earnings scheduled for 10/25). So they have practically no income = to count against the FY01 projection after 2 qtrs. I am assuming that = the Q4 estimate is similarly high ($0.65) in order to come up with the = $1.31 FY estimate. Further I show earnings estimate revisions upward = from 20 cents to the current 53 cents in the past 3 months, 51% earnings = growth, a forward P/E of 27 for full FY01, a PEG of 1, OK ROE (8%), high = insider ownership, low inst. ownership, and very high ERS/RS/GRS in HGS. = This is what I am looking for in a candidate - explosively accelerating = earnings, very good CANSLIM numbers, promising chart. The only thing I = am leery of is the loading of earnings into the last 2 qtrs, and I have = researched this (in fact this AM before I wrote that email) and am = comfortable as I can be with the projections.=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:50 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Hi Tim, =20 I see a couple problems with PRX. First, it is very pricy, trading = at about ten times market cap to sales ratio, and 222 times trailing = earnings. Second, while DGO shows projected earnings for this year at = $1.31, it has only earned 13 cents through the first half of the year. = That makes the second half a serious over achiever if it is to meet the = estimates. =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Watching PRX, found support at 30, now shooting for 38+ on hvy = vol. Has formed a nice dbl bottom with the high at 42&change. Frankly I = don't see a "war effect" here just yet, which is not surprising given the = limited nature of the conflict for now. I do see a lot of stocks = consolidating their gains from the past week or two and forming flags, which I = view as very healthy mkt action. I too noticed the flag in the S&P and am eagerly waiting a breakout to the upside. If it breaks down I = think it is all bets off for the short term. For those watching CPRT my = $0.02 is that is wedging down, a very bad formation, but today's action is encouraging, altho on light vol. I have however been known to be = wrong >50% of the time ;) CYTC also appears to be wedging down but is = holding up nonetheless.=20 Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C1518A.4CC685A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Tim, what do you use for forecasting quarterly = earnings? That=20 is one area where I am seriously deficient.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 12:46=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Watching = today...

Tom,=20 I guess this is where we part ways with respect to interpreting = financial=20 data. I show a consensus estimate of $1.31 for FY 01 as well, but I = show a=20 $0.53 estimate for Q3 ended Sept 01 with the report yet to come = (earnings=20 scheduled for 10/25). So they have practically no income to count = against the=20 FY01 projection after 2 qtrs. I am assuming that the Q4 estimate is = similarly=20 high ($0.65) in order to come up with the $1.31 FY estimate. Further I = show=20 earnings estimate revisions upward from 20 cents to the current 53 = cents in=20 the past 3 months, 51% earnings growth, a forward P/E of 27 for full = FY01, a=20 PEG of 1, OK ROE (8%), high insider ownership, low inst. = ownership, and=20 very high ERS/RS/GRS in HGS. This is what I am looking for in a = candidate=20 - explosively accelerating earnings, very good CANSLIM numbers, = promising=20 chart. The only thing I am leery of is the loading of earnings into = the last 2=20 qtrs, and I have researched this (in fact this AM before I wrote that = email)=20 and am comfortable as I can be with the projections. =
 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:50 = AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching=20 today...

Hi Tim,
 
I see a couple problems with PRX. First, it is = very pricy,=20 trading at about ten times market cap to sales ratio, and 222 times = trailing=20 earnings. Second, while DGO shows projected earnings for this year = at $1.31,=20 it has only earned 13 cents through the first half of the year. That = makes=20 the second half a serious over achiever if it is to meet the=20 estimates.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: Canslim
Sent: Wednesday, October = 10, 2001=20 11:21 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Watching = today...

Watching PRX,=20 found support at 30, now shooting for 38+ on hvy vol. = Has
formed a nice=20 dbl bottom with the high at 42&change. Frankly I don't = see
a "war=20 effect" here just yet, which is not surprising given the = limited
nature=20 of the conflict for now. I do see a lot of stocks = consolidating
their=20 gains from the past week or two and forming flags, which I view = as
very=20 healthy mkt action. I too noticed the flag in the S&P and=20 am
eagerly waiting a breakout to the upside. If it breaks down = I think=20 it
is all bets off for the short term. For those watching CPRT = my $0.02=20 is
that is wedging down, a very bad formation, but today's = action=20 is
encouraging, altho on light vol. I have however been known = to be=20 wrong
>50% of the time ;) CYTC also appears to be wedging = down but=20 is holding
up nonetheless.

Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - = Oregon=20 Rockhounds Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com

------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C1518A.4CC685A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 11:59:57 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C15183.14ED0D90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0066_01C15183.14ED0D90" ------=_NextPart_001_0066_01C15183.14ED0D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, I don't know if this will cost extra. They had the Stock Doctor as = a beta and when they switched it to everyone there wasn't a charge (as = long as you were a paper subscriber). I wouldn't pay extra for it, this = capability may keep me from canceling DGO. I would pay extra for delta = capability. Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Triffet=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Gene, Tom, It seems to me this is no different than posting a list picked out of = IBD newsprint using my own "mental" scanning system. So will this = feature be an added cost to the standard DGO $$$ service?=20 -Bill Triffet ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Why am I not shocked that you cannot post the results of your own = personal screen? Sure seems to me, especially given the rather = elaborate and detailed screening criteria that you can set up, that this = is personal intellectual property rather than DGO property. But then, = DGO CustServ or Ms. McKnight have yet to respond to my email letter to = them. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Hi Tom, folks can no longer say that DGO has no screening = capability and (IMHO) what they have implemented on their beta version = will be a great (first pass) 'mining' tool. I say first pass because I = would like to see a delta feature to compare today's data to earlier = time periods. Thanks for the heads-up on 'it' scanning the entire WON database. I did notice the following on the bottom of my screen results.=20 Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your personal use = only. The screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, = message boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products = or services for sale.... just for you?=20 Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool This just back from CusServ The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire O'Neil Database=AE for = U.S. stocks and is not limited to the stocks in the Daily Graphs Printed = Products or the Daily Graphs Printed Product Company Index Report on Daily = Graphs Online. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_001_0066_01C15183.14ED0D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill, I don't know if this will cost = extra. They=20 had the Stock Doctor as a beta and when they switched it to everyone = there=20 wasn't a charge (as long as you were a paper subscriber). I wouldn't pay = extra=20 for it, this capability may keep me from canceling DGO. I would pay = extra for=20 delta capability.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Triffet
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 11:45=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard DGO=20 screening tool

Gene, Tom,
 
It seems to me this is no different = than posting=20 a list picked out of IBD newsprint using my own "mental" scanning = system. So=20 will this feature be an added cost to the standard DGO $$$ service?=20
 
 
-Bill Triffet
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 8:41=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard=20 DGO screening tool

Why am I not shocked that you cannot post the = results of=20 your own personal screen?  Sure seems to me, especially given = the=20 rather elaborate and detailed screening criteria that you can set = up, that=20 this is personal intellectual property rather than DGO property. But = then,=20 DGO CustServ or Ms. McKnight have yet to respond to my email letter = to=20 them.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Gene = Ricci=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, October = 10, 2001=20 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Custom Wizard=20 DGO screening tool

Hi Tom, folks can no longer say that DGO has no = screening=20 capability and (IMHO) what they have implemented on their beta = version=20 will be a great (first pass) 'mining' tool. I say first pass = because I=20 would like to see a delta feature to compare today's data = to earlier=20 time periods.
 
Thanks for the heads-up on 'it' scanning the entire = WON=20 database.
 
I did notice the following on the bottom of my screen = results. 
 
Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your = personal use=20 only. The screens may not be posted for others to view on Web = sites,=20 message boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating = products or=20 services for sale.... just for you? 3D""
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, October = 10, 2001=20 9:06 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard=20 DGO screening tool

This just back from CusServ
 
The Custom Screen Wizard scans the entire = O'Neil=20 Database=AE for U.S. stocks
and is not limited to the stocks = in the=20 Daily Graphs Printed Products or the
Daily Graphs Printed = Product=20 Company Index Report on Daily Graphs Online.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 = TexWorley
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Formerly, HGS Mining Co., now, a number of = sources,=20 including the dreaded YHOO. Schwab has good data (First Call is linked = from=20 their account site). Next qtr is actually $0.64 (range 59 to 69 with 2 = covering=20 analysts) according to them.

 

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From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001=20 9:52 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] Watching today...

Tim, what do you use for forecasting quarterly = earnings?=20 That is one area where I am seriously deficient.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley 
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C15173.50BB36E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) Date: 10 Oct 2001 10:11:37 -0700 I have concerns with KKD. It no longer makes my screens, probably because the 52 wk high is $43.50. Second there is no "W with a handle" chart in HTMMIS; it appears to me to be a double bottom, but not formed close enough to the high to count as a valid chart IMO. Plus, a few days does not a handle make according to WON. |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of |psych360@yahoo.com |Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:58 AM |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com |Subject: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) | | |Breaking a W with handle right now. | |The volume is still a little light but has been gaining... | |I'll personally wait a little longer to see if there's any more volume |before acting. | |97 96 A A B | - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:20:10 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C1518E.49845620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable at a minimum, looks to me like it must break 38.40 before it's a = breakout. Got a ways yet to go for that. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: psych360@yahoo.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:58 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) Breaking a W with handle right now. The volume is still a little light but has been gaining... I'll personally wait a little longer to see if there's any more volume = before acting. 97 96 A A B _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C1518E.49845620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
at a minimum, looks to me like it must break 38.40 = before it's=20 a breakout. Got a ways yet to go for that.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 psych360@yahoo.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 12:58=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Heads up - = Krispy=20 Kreme (KKD)

Breaking a W with handle right now.

The volume = is still=20 a little light but has been gaining...

I'll personally wait a = little=20 longer to see if there's any more volume
before acting.

97 = 96 A A=20 = B

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------=_NextPart_000_00CA_01C1518E.49845620-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:22:50 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C1518E.A92589A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThanks, Tim. I will have to use my accts at Schwab to explore = this. I have found Schwab extremely deficient in data on small caps, = probably why I missed this. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Formerly, HGS Mining Co., now, a number of sources, including the = dreaded YHOO. Schwab has good data (First Call is linked from their = account site). Next qtr is actually $0.64 (range 59 to 69 with 2 = covering analysts) according to them. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:52 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Tim, what do you use for forecasting quarterly earnings? That is one = area where I am seriously deficient. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C1518E.A92589A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks, Tim. I will have to use my accts at Schwab = to explore=20 this. I have found Schwab extremely deficient in data on small caps, = probably=20 why I missed this.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 1:07=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Watching = today...

Formerly, HGS Mining Co., now, a number of = sources,=20 including the dreaded YHOO. Schwab has good data (First Call is linked = from=20 their account site). Next qtr is actually $0.64 (range 59 to 69 with 2 = covering analysts) according to them.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Wednesday, October = 10, 2001=20 9:52 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] Watching today...

Tim, what do you use for forecasting quarterly = earnings?=20 That is one area where I am seriously deficient.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley 
 
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C1518E.A92589A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Chia Subject: [CANSLIM] MFNX Date: 11 Oct 2001 01:36:11 +0800 Hi everyone, Is MFNX displaying a cup and handle? forgive me if i'm wrong, i'm poor at technical stuff :) http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MFNX&d=c&k=c1&t=3m&l=on&z=m&q=l Rgds, Dennis - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:42:24 EDT Tim: I was curious also, so I checked out why PRX's projected Annual Earning= s=20 seem so out of line with the 1st half year of earnings. And from the=20 information I've been able to gather PRX's margins are increasing a lot. Fo= r=20 some reason companies and individuals are buying from PRX ; and PRX can=20 remain competitive in its industry, even though it charges enough to garner=20= a=20 high profit margin. =20 In just this last =BD year, PRX's margin has risen around 45%. If PRX=20 increases Sales as they have in the past, this may be why it is projected to= =20 come on gangbusters in the last =BD year. It may not have been able to obta= in=20 hi earnings the 1st half because, perhaps, it took time to develop new cost=20 benefits or/and new hi margin products. =20 It would be interesting to know if any new corporate officers were=20 installed in the last few years (or new board members). jansIn a message dated 10/10/2001 12:46:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 tim@orerockon.com writes: << Tom, I guess this is where we part ways with respect to interpreting financial data. I show a consensus estimate of $1.31 for FY 01 as well, but I show a $0.53 estimate for Q3 ended Sept 01 with the report yet to come (earnings scheduled for 10/25). So they have practically no income to count against the FY01 projection after 2 qtrs. I am assuming that the Q4 estimate is similarly high ($0.65) in order to come up with the $1.31 FY estimate. Further I show earnings estimate revisions upward from 20 cents to the current 53 cents in the past 3 months, 51% earnings growth, a forward P/E of 27 for full FY01, a PEG of 1, OK ROE (8%), high insider ownership, low inst. ownership, and very high ERS/RS/GRS in HGS. This is what I am looking for in a candidate - explosively accelerating earnings, very good CANSLIM numbers, promising chart. The only thing I am leery of is the loading of earnings into the last 2 qtrs, and I have researched this (in fact this AM before I wrote that email) and am comfortable as I can be with the projections.=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:50 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching today... =20 =20 =20 Hi Tim, =20 I see a couple problems with PRX. First, it is very pricy, trading at about ten times market cap to sales ratio, and 222 times trailing earnings. Second, while DGO shows projected earnings for this year at $1.31, it has only earned 13 cents through the first half of the year. That makes the second half a serious over achiever if it is to meet the estimates. =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley =20 >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MFNX Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:43:12 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C15191.81CBA800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis, if you are talking about Metromedia Fiber Network, currently = trading at 60 cents, and with an RS of 2, I would have to assume the = accelerating losses, and projected losses, suggest it is more likely to = file bankruptcy than to break out. At a minimum, it is absolutely not a CANSLIM stock worth considering or = discussing. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Chia=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] MFNX Hi everyone, Is MFNX displaying a cup and handle? forgive me if i'm wrong, i'm poor at technical stuff :) = http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=3DMFNX&d=3Dc&k=3Dc1&t=3D3m&l=3Don&z=3Dm&q=3D= l Rgds, Dennis - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C15191.81CBA800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dennis, if you are talking about Metromedia Fiber = Network,=20 currently trading at 60 cents, and with an RS of 2, I would have to = assume the=20 accelerating losses, and projected losses, suggest it is more likely to = file=20 bankruptcy than to break out.
 
At a minimum, it is absolutely not a CANSLIM stock = worth=20 considering or discussing.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dennis=20 Chia
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 1:36=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] MFNX


Hi everyone,

Is MFNX displaying a cup and=20 handle?
forgive me if i'm wrong, i'm poor at technical stuff =20 :)

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=3DMFNX&am= p;d=3Dc&k=3Dc1&t=3D3m&l=3Don&z=3Dm&q=3Dl

R= gds,
Dennis


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------=_NextPart_000_00E1_01C15191.81CBA800-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] MFNX Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:47:37 -0400 Not in my opinion. I guess you can interpret Sept. 5 as the start of the cup but that would make the base very short. If you're an optimist you can consider mid-January as the start of a nice big cup and hope that MFNX is poised to start the right side of the cup. But this stock is as anti-CANSLIM as you can get. It's a penny stock now, and it is so far off its highs that there is little chance of a meaningful breakout. Take your money to roulette tables and put it all on black. You're odds are much better :) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Chia > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:36 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] MFNX > > > > Hi everyone, > > Is MFNX displaying a cup and handle? > forgive me if i'm wrong, i'm poor at technical stuff :) > > http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MFNX&d=c&k=c1&t=3m&l=on&z=m&q=l > > Rgds, > Dennis > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question for Tom Worley Date: 10 Oct 2001 11:49:59 -0600 The "Intelligent Investor" is probably a good place to start on fundamentals, it's by Ben Graham no less, with an intro by Warren Buffet. On 10 Oct 01, at 9:05, Jack Quinn wrote: > You seem to know a great deal about fundamental/business model analysis. Can you recommend some good books on the subject? > > Jack > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Watching today... Date: 10 Oct 2001 10:51:57 -0700 They took away 80% of Eli Lily's Prozac business with their generic. Plain and simple to me. |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of=20 |Spencer48@aol.com |Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:42 AM |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com |Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching today... | | | | | | |Tim: | | I was curious also, so I checked out why PRX's projected=20 |Annual Earnings=20 |seem so out of line with the 1st half year of earnings. And from the=20 |information I've been able to gather PRX's margins are=20 |increasing a lot. For=20 |some reason companies and individuals are buying from PRX ;=20 |and PRX can=20 |remain competitive in its industry, even though it charges=20 |enough to garner a=20 |high profit margin. =20 | | In just this last =BD year, PRX's margin has risen around=20 |45%. If PRX=20 |increases Sales as they have in the past, this may be why it=20 |is projected to=20 |come on gangbusters in the last =BD year. It may not have been=20 |able to obtain=20 |hi earnings the 1st half because, perhaps, it took time to=20 |develop new cost=20 |benefits or/and new hi margin products. =20 | | It would be interesting to know if any new corporate=20 |officers were=20 |installed in the last few years (or new board members). | |jansIn a message dated 10/10/2001 12:46:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 |tim@orerockon.com writes: | |<< Tom, I guess this is where we part ways with respect to=20 |interpreting financial data. I show a consensus estimate of=20 |$1.31 for FY 01 as well, but I show a $0.53 estimate for Q3=20 |ended Sept 01 with the report yet to come (earnings scheduled=20 |for 10/25). So they have practically no income to count=20 |against the FY01 projection after 2 qtrs. I am assuming that =20 |the Q4 estimate is similarly high ($0.65) in order to come up=20 |with the $1.31 FY estimate. Further I show earnings estimate=20 |revisions upward from 20 cents to the current 53 cents in the=20 |past 3 months, 51% earnings growth, a forward P/E of 27 for=20 |full FY01, a PEG of 1, OK ROE (8%), high insider ownership,=20 |low inst. ownership, and very high ERS/RS/GRS in HGS. This is=20 |what I am looking for in a candidate - explosively=20 |accelerating earnings, very good CANSLIM numbers, promising=20 |chart. The only thing I am leery of is the loading of=20 |earnings into the last 2 qtrs, and I have researched this (in=20 |fact this AM before I wrote that email) and am comfortable as=20 |I can be with the projections.=20 | =20 | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =20 |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom=20 |Worley | Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:50 AM | To: canslim@lists.xmission.com | Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching today... |=20 |=20 |=20 | Hi Tim, | =20 | I see a couple problems with PRX. First, it is very pricy,=20 |trading at about ten times market cap to sales ratio, and 222=20 |times trailing earnings. Second, while DGO shows projected=20 |earnings for this year at $1.31, it has only earned 13 cents=20 |through the first half of the year. That makes the second=20 |half a serious over achiever if it is to meet the estimates. | =20 | Tom Worley | stkguru@netside.net | AIM: TexWorley |=20 | >> | |- |-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" |-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or |-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. | - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MFNX Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:55:14 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C15193.301AF540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recommend red, its more colorful. And the odds are the same. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] MFNX Take your money to roulette tables and put it all on black. You're odds are much better :) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Chia > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:36 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] MFNX > > > > Hi everyone, > > Is MFNX displaying a cup and handle? > forgive me if i'm wrong, i'm poor at technical stuff :) > > = http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=3DMFNX&d=3Dc&k=3Dc1&t=3D3m&l=3Don&z=3Dm&q=3D= l > > Rgds, > Dennis > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C15193.301AF540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I recommend red, its more colorful. And the odds are = the=20 same.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 1:47=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = MFNX

Take your money to roulette tables and put it all on=20 black.
You're odds are much better :)



> = -----Original=20 Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
>=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of Dennis Chia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:36=20 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>=20 Subject: [CANSLIM] MFNX
>
>
>
> Hi=20 everyone,
>
> Is MFNX displaying a cup and handle?
> = forgive=20 me if i'm wrong, i'm poor at technical stuff  :)
>
> = http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=3DMFNX&am= p;d=3Dc&k=3Dc1&t=3D3m&l=3Don&z=3Dm&q=3Dl
><= BR>>=20 Rgds,
> Dennis
>
>
> -
> -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ; -In=20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
> -"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your = email.
>


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------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C15193.301AF540-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 11:51:17 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15181.DF108F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gene, Yes, they gave us the Stock Doctor but I find it next to useless (for me = anyways). I find the standard IBD rankings work just fine. If the screening feature is part of the standard DGO then it might be = worth it to me. I'll drop DGO a line and see what the screen pricing = will be. -Bill ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gene Ricci=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Bill, I don't know if this will cost extra. They had the Stock Doctor = as a beta and when they switched it to everyone there wasn't a charge = (as long as you were a paper subscriber). I wouldn't pay extra for it, = this capability may keep me from canceling DGO. I would pay extra for = delta capability. Gene ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Triffet=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom Wizard DGO screening tool Gene, Tom, It seems to me this is no different than posting a list picked out = of IBD newsprint using my own "mental" scanning system. So will this = feature be an added cost to the standard DGO $$$ service?=20 -Bill Triffet ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15181.DF108F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gene,
 
Yes, they gave us the Stock Doctor but = I find it=20 next to useless (for me anyways). I find the standard IBD rankings work = just=20 fine.
 
 If the screening feature is part = of the=20 standard DGO then it might be worth it to me. I'll drop DGO a line and = see what=20 the screen pricing will be.
 
-Bill
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gene = Ricci
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 9:59=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard DGO=20 screening tool

Bill, I don't know if this will cost = extra.=20 They had the Stock Doctor as a beta and when they switched it to = everyone=20 there wasn't a charge (as long as you were a paper subscriber). I = wouldn't pay=20 extra for it, this capability may keep me from canceling DGO. I would = pay=20 extra for delta capability.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill=20 Triffet
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 11:45=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Custom = Wizard=20 DGO screening tool

Gene, Tom,
 
It seems to me this is no different = than=20 posting a list picked out of IBD newsprint using my own "mental" = scanning=20 system. So will this feature be an added cost to the standard DGO = $$$=20 service?
 
 
-Bill Triffet
 
------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C15181.DF108F40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] IHSC Date: 10 Oct 2001 13:46:28 -0500 Thanks for the heads up. I guess I glazed over that press release too quickly. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:00 AM It seems to have a bigger wart than you might think. The upside will be limited as it has an offer on the table to acquire all the shares for $18/sh. Otherwise it looked really good. John -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hill, Ernie Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 7:07 PM This stock broke out of a 3 month base today on 12x avg. vol. EPS RNK 97, RS 95, GRP RS 90 ( these are HGS rankings which I believe use the same formula for calculations as does our mentor except they don't mind getting free advertising) One year growth rate 85.62%, two most recent qrts. 80.95% & 50.26%. Only 3.03 shrs out, float 2.8 Here are the fundies I really like. IHSC industry grp. Avg. PE 12.22 34 PS .79 1.67 1yr growth 85.62 53.78 inst. own 13.8% 53.97% It does have some warts. Debt/equity 6.85, but it is declining. Also market cap only 54.1M ( Tom's range?) and light on avg. daily volume only 26,772. Other good stuff ROE 66.18 and in the most recently reported quarter they had $7.72 in cash per share! The stock closed today at $17.88. I plan to get some in the morning. E ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 17:02:34 -0400 Tim, I bought it too. What do you make of its action today? It closed near its low for the day on very heavy volume. Not a good sign, is it? Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:23 PM : I bot AHMH FCN and HRH at the open. Also picked up a little LLL and AJG. : All good CANSLIM numbers but a mixed bag of charts. AHMH looked like an : HTF and I hit that one on the noggin (not bragging here, don't try to : buy a HTF before it pops unless you are not adverse to high risk : trades!) FCN wedged down but popped back on Monday. Not a CANSLIM chart : but more like buying an LLUR on a bounce off a MA. HRH is a cup w/o a : handle and was just barely too extended, but I picked it up anyway. I'm : not sure what to make of LLL and AJG's wedging up so I bot small : positions with tight stops. Wanted to ride them for 10% or so if I could : get it. : : Tim Fisher : OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online : Tim@OreRockOn.com : http://OreRockOn.com : : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 14:32:20 -0700 Nope, not very good, considered selling yesterday afternoon at +10% but didn't (drat!) so I will wait for it to trigger my stop, which is below 18. Actually it took a huge dive right at the close which I take to be a stop sweep by the MM for a favored client looking to get in cheap, which (if you are not one of the sweepees, anyway) could be an encouraging sign. Look for another shakeout tomorrow AM, then see which way it goes. Unless there is some really bad news out there of which I am not aware (there is news on MTG which caused the sector to sell off today), there is no reason to sell if you are in the red but above your stop. |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ann |Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:03 PM |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com |Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH | | |Tim, |I bought it too. What do you make of its action today? It |closed near its low for the day on very heavy volume. Not a |good sign, is it? Ann |----- Original Message ----- |From: "Tim Fisher" |To: "Canslim" |Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:23 PM |Subject: [CANSLIM] Couldn't stand it anymore! | | |: I bot AHMH FCN and HRH at the open. Also picked up a little |LLL and AJG. |: All good CANSLIM numbers but a mixed bag of charts. AHMH |looked like an |: HTF and I hit that one on the noggin (not bragging here, don't try to |: buy a HTF before it pops unless you are not adverse to high risk |: trades!) FCN wedged down but popped back on Monday. Not a |CANSLIM chart |: but more like buying an LLUR on a bounce off a MA. HRH is a cup w/o a |: handle and was just barely too extended, but I picked it up |anyway. I'm |: not sure what to make of LLL and AJG's wedging up so I bot small |: positions with tight stops. Wanted to ride them for 10% or |so if I could |: get it. |: |: Tim Fisher |: OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online |: Tim@OreRockOn.com |: http://OreRockOn.com |: |: |: |: - |: -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" |: -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or |: -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. |: | | |- |-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" |-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or |-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. | - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 15:47:02 -0700 Tom

What were you looking for that's .5...beta?

Looks like the 'O'Neil Database' covers about 10,000 stocks. That should be enough to find some good microcaps?
I'm curious to know what criteria you would use if you were looking for microcaps. Float less than 25mil??...in addition
to your other canslim criteria?


At 08:25 AM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote:
Doug,
 
This wasn't initially there, don't know when it was added as I hadn't bothered with the beta version in several weeks.
 
I tried it this morning, guess my criteria was too tight as the scan gave me zero candidates. Guess I'll have to uncheck that box for guaranteed profits!!
 
It also didn't like my entry of 0.5, told me that was not a numeric entry. Guess math and programming has changed since I last went to school.
 
I have also asked for confirmation that they scan the entire database of US exchange traded stocks rather than just the 2,800 or so in the DG books. Will be interested in the answer, as so far DGO has not been willing to break away from the books.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
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From: DougC
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool

Harvey

Thanks for pointing that out. I first loaded the Beta version about a month=
ago on my work laptop and only looked it over once at work. Either I missed=
that tab then or it wasnt there on my first download. I put it on my home=
computer today and like what I see. What a relief. Maybe they really have=
been listening to what their customers want. I just hope they're reasonable=
about whatever extra they are going to charge for it.

I've only had a brief chance to try it out tonight. I did a screen across=
all eight categories which I was surprised and pleased I could do. I looked=
for RS of 65, % change of latest quarter of 24%, % change of latest
quarters sales of 15%, % stock owned by funds max of 20%, price greater
than 5 bucks, and debt% less than 75%. And I did a secondary sort of vol%=
change vs. 50dma. That screen came up with 168 stocks. Much more manageable=
than my screens with DGO which usually were 500 plus stocks out of the 2855=
of the DG index.

I'd still like to verify that the screens encompass the 'entire database'.=
Is that 11,000 stocks or the 2855?
And I haven't had a chance to try and figure out how to import my saved
screen list into DGO.




At 12:26 AM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote:
>"The Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard allows you to scan the= entire
>O'Neil Database=AE for stocks matching various criteria in 8= different
>categories."
>
>Based on a quick look, this tool appears to screen for just about
>everything in the datablock --- and a lot more.  Unfortunately, it= looks
>like they plan to charge extra for it when the beta ends.
>
>
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(It's already where my stop would have been...) Unfortunately I can't watch it during the day. Do you know of any articles on the stop sweeping? It seems to be a factor in deciding about setting stops. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 5:32 PM : Nope, not very good, considered selling yesterday afternoon at +10% but : didn't (drat!) so I will wait for it to trigger my stop, which is below : 18. Actually it took a huge dive right at the close which I take to be a : stop sweep by the MM for a favored client looking to get in cheap, which : (if you are not one of the sweepees, anyway) could be an encouraging : sign. Look for another shakeout tomorrow AM, then see which way it goes. : Unless there is some really bad news out there of which I am not aware : (there is news on MTG which caused the sector to sell off today), there : is no reason to sell if you are in the red but above your stop. : : |-----Original Message----- : |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com : |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ann : |Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:03 PM : |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com : |Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH : | : | : |Tim, : |I bought it too. What do you make of its action today? It : |closed near its low for the day on very heavy volume. Not a : |good sign, is it? Ann : |----- Original Message ----- : |From: "Tim Fisher" : |To: "Canslim" : |Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:23 PM : |Subject: [CANSLIM] Couldn't stand it anymore! : | : | : |: I bot AHMH FCN and HRH at the open. Also picked up a little : |LLL and AJG. : |: All good CANSLIM numbers but a mixed bag of charts. AHMH : |looked like an : |: HTF and I hit that one on the noggin (not bragging here, don't try to : |: buy a HTF before it pops unless you are not adverse to high risk : |: trades!) FCN wedged down but popped back on Monday. Not a : |CANSLIM chart : |: but more like buying an LLUR on a bounce off a MA. HRH is a cup w/o a : |: handle and was just barely too extended, but I picked it up : |anyway. I'm : |: not sure what to make of LLL and AJG's wedging up so I bot small : |: positions with tight stops. Wanted to ride them for 10% or : |so if I could : |: get it. : |: : |: Tim Fisher : |: OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online : |: Tim@OreRockOn.com : |: http://OreRockOn.com : |: : |: : |: : |: - : |: -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : |: -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : |: -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : |: : | : | : |- : |-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : |-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : |-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : | : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 16:46:30 -0700 No, like I said it is a general selloff in reaction to MTG's delinquency writeoffs in their earnings release and a downgrade, IMO. FNM and others are all down today as well. It is an overreaction by the entire sector, not just AHMH, and remember AHMH was way down today as were MTG and others... |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ian |Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 4:21 PM |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com |Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH | | |FWIW, I find it odd that FDCC is selling off as AHMH is |breaking out. These are two that should move in lockstep - as |far as industry/sector goes. Are the other stocks in AHMH's |sector performing well right now as well? | |Ian | - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Fw: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:22:14 -0400 Tim, ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 7:23 PM : I had to put the order in before going to work, so I didn't have time to put : a stop in too! (It's already where my stop would have been...) Unfortunately : I can't watch it during the day. : : Do you know of any articles on the stop sweeping? It seems to be a factor in : deciding about setting stops. : : : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Tim Fisher" : To: : Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 5:32 PM : Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] AHMH : : : : Nope, not very good, considered selling yesterday afternoon at +10% but : : didn't (drat!) so I will wait for it to trigger my stop, which is below : : 18. Actually it took a huge dive right at the close which I take to be a : : stop sweep by the MM for a favored client looking to get in cheap, which : : (if you are not one of the sweepees, anyway) could be an encouraging : : sign. Look for another shakeout tomorrow AM, then see which way it goes. : : Unless there is some really bad news out there of which I am not aware : : (there is news on MTG which caused the sector to sell off today), there : : is no reason to sell if you are in the red but above your stop. : : : : |-----Original Message----- : : |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com : : |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ann : : |Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:03 PM : : |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com : : |Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH : : | : : | : : |Tim, : : |I bought it too. What do you make of its action today? It : : |closed near its low for the day on very heavy volume. Not a : : |good sign, is it? Ann : : |----- Original Message ----- : : |From: "Tim Fisher" : : |To: "Canslim" : : |Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:23 PM : : |Subject: [CANSLIM] Couldn't stand it anymore! : : | : : | : : |: I bot AHMH FCN and HRH at the open. Also picked up a little : : |LLL and AJG. : : |: All good CANSLIM numbers but a mixed bag of charts. AHMH : : |looked like an : : |: HTF and I hit that one on the noggin (not bragging here, don't try to : : |: buy a HTF before it pops unless you are not adverse to high risk : : |: trades!) FCN wedged down but popped back on Monday. Not a : : |CANSLIM chart : : |: but more like buying an LLUR on a bounce off a MA. HRH is a cup w/o a : : |: handle and was just barely too extended, but I picked it up : : |anyway. I'm : : |: not sure what to make of LLL and AJG's wedging up so I bot small : : |: positions with tight stops. Wanted to ride them for 10% or : : |so if I could : : |: get it. : : |: : : |: Tim Fisher : : |: OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online : : |: Tim@OreRockOn.com : : |: http://OreRockOn.com : : |: : : |: : : |: : : |: - : : |: -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : : |: -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : : |: -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : : |: : : | : : | : : |- : : |-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : : |-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : : |-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : : | : : : : : : - : : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : : : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CYTC Date: 10 Oct 2001 18:36:11 -0600 This is the way I'm playing this one at this point, a high handle just above the previous 52 week high. As far as the pivot, I'm following IBDs new 13 cent level (1/8 rounded up), so I'm watching for 29.06. I like the stock from a quick look, and I will look at all of the numbers more closely if it moves beyond the pivot on good volume. At 10:19 PM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote: >OK, > >To me this looks like a handle that's developed above the left rim of a >small one month cup.......kind of drying up volume, drifting down >slightly.........so where would you put the pivot? Just a dime over the >high of 10/2, at 29.03? Not interested in the stock at this time, just >wondering what the group thought of the chart. > >Perry > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 10 Oct 2001 18:44:11 -0600 Say what? I see this as a 9 week "base" (using my interpretation of the WON definition) with a short 3 day handle. The pivot was 48.58 using either the handle or the 52 week high with a cup base. IBD also mentioned this breakout as a cup with short handle. Tom, I feel I should point out to the rest of the list that your definition of base seems to vary significantly with WONs. The WON definition starts with a minimum of 5 weeks (so B1, B2, etc. would be an oxymoron according to WON). I think I remember you discussing bases as a period of tight consolidation, but I think WON regards it simply as the time from the 52 week high to present. Am I missing something? t 05:54 AM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote: > I wouldn't panic just yet, Perry. Remember that you are buying an >extended stock without a clean and nearby base established. Keep a tight >stop loss on it, tho. Same with ACS. If you like the drug companies, you >might want to check out Bayer A.G. - trades on the European bourses, but >not here I think. It is the only maker of US approved oral antibiotic for >anthrax exposure. This is a product line that was expected to underperform >as the patent runs out in 2004, but they have already sold out their >inventory and are ramping up production. It is a high margin product line. > Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Stanfield To: >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > like I >did also........maybe tomorrow that one will correct as well. > >Perry > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > > >> Dave, >> >> This has been the kiss of death for a >> Actually I planned to buy it last night with a buy stop >> Sure enough, it took. >> >> Gee, maybe I'm starting to catch on...........we will see. >> >> Perry >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF >> >> >>> Given the >holiday-ish >>> I may watch it closely tomorrow. >>> >>> >>> At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: >>>>Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but >still >> a >>>>new high on above average volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. Think it >>>>should show up on radar screens tomorrow. >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Dave >>>> >>>> >>>>- >>>>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>>>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>>> Do not use quotes in your email. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> - >>> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>> Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 10 Oct 2001 18:47:14 -0600 Hmm, it looked a little better today as it moved back above the pivot on good (not great) volume. I'm hanging in there on this one for now. At 09:46 AM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote: >If you could tell us your picks before you buy, we can make some money on >the short side :) > >BVF is apparently not ready. It's fighting a bad market over the past two >days, but the increased volume and violation of the pivot is bad news. >Seems like one of those situations where you don't need to wait for a 7% >loss to bail out. > >I am sorely reminded of the spring rally, when I made several buys on >sound breakouts yet they all failed within a week. I think this market may >need one more retest of those lows... > > >-- >Dave > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Perry Stanfield >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:19 AM >> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF >> >> >> what did I tell you Dave? Hopefully you didn't buy ACS >> yesterday like I >> did also........maybe tomorrow that one will correct as well. >> >> Perry >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Perry Stanfield" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF >> >> >> > Dave, >> > >> > Bad news, I bought BVF today too. This has been the kiss of >> death for a >> > stock lately. Actually I planned to buy it last night >> with a buy stop >> > loss of 47.50. Sure enough, it took. >> > >> > Gee, maybe I'm starting to catch on...........we will see. >> > >> > Perry >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "esetser" >> > To: >> > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM >> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF >> > >> > >> > > Yes, I noticed it moved up nicely late in the day. Given the >> holiday-ish >> > > stance, the volume was pretty good. I may watch it closely >> tomorrow. >> > > >> > > >> > > At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: >> > > >Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but >> still >> > a >> > > >new high on above average volume on a slow day. >> 99/87/A/A/A. Think it >> > > >should show up on radar screens tomorrow. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >-- >> > > >Dave >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >- >> > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > - >> > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] pivot point Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:48:39 -0400 In tomorrow's Investor's Corner, IBD says to use .10, instead of .13. I would quote them, but don't want to get a call from them about copyright infringement! That's my .03's worth! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:36 PM : This is the way I'm playing this one at this point, a high handle just : above the previous 52 week high. As far as the pivot, I'm following IBDs : new 13 cent level (1/8 rounded up), so I'm watching for 29.06. I like the : stock from a quick look, and I will look at all of the numbers more closely : if it moves beyond the pivot on good volume. : : : At 10:19 PM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote: : >OK, : > : >To me this looks like a handle that's developed above the left rim of a : >small one month cup.......kind of drying up volume, drifting down : >slightly.........so where would you put the pivot? Just a dime over the : >high of 10/2, at 29.03? Not interested in the stock at this time, just : >wondering what the group thought of the chart. : > : >Perry : > : > : >- : >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : > : > : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) Date: 10 Oct 2001 18:58:14 -0600 Umm, HTMMIS Chapter 15 says "Double bottoms may also have handles, although it is not always essential." So, I do see this as a double bottom with a handle. As far as it's relationship to the high, you want handles in the top 50% of the base. On this one, I get 34.25 as the 50% point, so this handle is just barely above the minimum. Personally, I look for handles higher, generally at the 75% level or so. The volume came in a little light today anyway, so I would think tomorrow would be the day to watch. I haven't been watching this one very closely. I have also noticed quite a few short handles have formed over the last few days, and set up quite a few stocks for nice breakouts. At 10:11 AM 10/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >I have concerns with KKD. It no longer makes my screens, probably >because the 52 wk high is $43.50. Second there is no "W with a handle" >chart in HTMMIS; it appears to me to be a double bottom, but not formed >close enough to the high to count as a valid chart IMO. Plus, a few days >does not a handle make according to WON. > > >|-----Original Message----- >|From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >|[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of >|psych360@yahoo.com >|Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:58 AM >|To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >|Subject: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) >| >| >|Breaking a W with handle right now. >| >|The volume is still a little light but has been gaining... >| >|I'll personally wait a little longer to see if there's any more volume >|before acting. >| >|97 96 A A B >| > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Date: 10 Oct 2001 21:03:51 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C151CF.10B286A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was trying to set the minimum nr of shares when I tried 0.5 (for half = a million). I have found a few good stocks with on about a million so = wanted a low number. It didn't like 0.5, but was perfectly happy with 0, = tho don't understand how a company could be publicly traded with zero = shares!!! Guess their programmer didn't feel a need to make sense in how he set it = up. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Tom What were you looking for that's .5...beta? Looks like the 'O'Neil Database' covers about 10,000 stocks. That = should be enough to find some good microcaps?=20 I'm curious to know what criteria you would use if you were looking = for microcaps. Float less than 25mil??...in addition to your other canslim criteria? At 08:25 AM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote: Doug, =20 This wasn't initially there, don't know when it was added as I = hadn't bothered with the beta version in several weeks. =20 I tried it this morning, guess my criteria was too tight as the scan = gave me zero candidates. Guess I'll have to uncheck that box for = guaranteed profits!! =20 It also didn't like my entry of 0.5, told me that was not a numeric = entry. Guess math and programming has changed since I last went to = school. =20 I have also asked for confirmation that they scan the entire = database of US exchange traded stocks rather than just the 2,800 or so = in the DG books. Will be interested in the answer, as so far DGO has not = been willing to break away from the books. =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening Tool Harvey Thanks for pointing that out. I first loaded the Beta version = about a month=20 ago on my work laptop and only looked it over once at work. Either = I missed=20 that tab then or it wasnt there on my first download. I put it on = my home=20 computer today and like what I see. What a relief. Maybe they = really have=20 been listening to what their customers want. I just hope they're = reasonable=20 about whatever extra they are going to charge for it. I've only had a brief chance to try it out tonight. I did a screen = across=20 all eight categories which I was surprised and pleased I could do. = I looked=20 for RS of 65, % change of latest quarter of 24%, % change of = latest=20 quarters sales of 15%, % stock owned by funds max of 20%, price = greater=20 than 5 bucks, and debt% less than 75%. And I did a secondary sort = of vol%=20 change vs. 50dma. That screen came up with 168 stocks. Much more = manageable=20 than my screens with DGO which usually were 500 plus stocks out of = the 2855=20 of the DG index. I'd still like to verify that the screens encompass the 'entire = database'.=20 Is that 11,000 stocks or the 2855? And I haven't had a chance to try and figure out how to import my = saved=20 screen list into DGO. At 12:26 AM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote: >"The Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard allows you to scan the = entire >O'Neil Database=AE for stocks matching various criteria in 8 = different >categories." > >Based on a quick look, this tool appears to screen for just about >everything in the datablock --- and a lot more. Unfortunately, = it looks >like they plan to charge extra for it when the beta ends. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Doug Chiurato dzc@qwest.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email = "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" = or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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I was trying to set the minimum nr of shares when I = tried 0.5=20 (for half a million). I have found a few good stocks with on about a = million so=20 wanted a low number. It didn't like 0.5, but was perfectly happy with 0, = tho=20 don't understand how a company could be publicly traded with zero=20 shares!!!
 
Guess their programmer didn't feel a need to make = sense in how=20 he set it up.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 6:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] New DGO = (Beta)=20 Screening Tool

Tom

What were you looking for that's=20 .5...beta?

Looks like the 'O'Neil Database' covers about 10,000 = stocks.=20 That should be enough to find some good microcaps?
I'm curious to = know=20 what criteria you would use if you were looking for microcaps. Float = less than=20 25mil??...in addition
to your other canslim criteria?


At = 08:25=20 AM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote:
Doug,
 
This=20 wasn't initially there, don't know when it was added as I hadn't = bothered=20 with the beta version in several weeks.
 
I=20 tried it this morning, guess my criteria was too tight as the scan = gave me=20 zero candidates. Guess I'll have to uncheck that box for guaranteed=20 profits!!
 
It also didn't like my = entry of=20 0.5, told me that was not a numeric entry. Guess math and = programming has=20 changed since I last went to school.
 
I have=20 also asked for confirmation that they scan the entire database of US = exchange traded stocks rather than just the 2,800 or so in the DG = books.=20 Will be interested in the answer, as so far DGO has not been willing = to=20 break away from the books.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 DougC
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 11:54 = PM
Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] New DGO (Beta) Screening = Tool

Harvey

Thanks for=20 pointing that out. I first loaded the Beta version about a month =
ago=20 on my work laptop and only looked it over once at work. Either I = missed=20
that tab then or it wasnt there on my first download. I put it = on my=20 home
computer today and like what I see. What a relief. Maybe = they=20 really have
been listening to what their customers want. I = just hope=20 they're reasonable
about whatever extra they are going to = charge for=20 it.

I've only had a brief chance to try it out tonight. I = did a=20 screen across
all eight categories which I was surprised and = pleased I=20 could do. I looked
for RS of 65, % change of latest quarter of = 24%, %=20 change of latest
quarters sales of 15%, % stock owned by funds = max of=20 20%, price greater
than 5 bucks, and debt% less than 75%. And = I did a=20 secondary sort of vol%
change vs. 50dma. That screen came up = with 168=20 stocks. Much more manageable
than my screens with DGO which = usually=20 were 500 plus stocks out of the 2855
of the DG = index.

I'd still=20 like to verify that the screens encompass the 'entire database'. =
Is=20 that 11,000 stocks or the 2855?
And I haven't had a chance to = try and=20 figure out how to import my saved
screen list into=20 DGO.




At 12:26 AM 10/9/01 -0700, you = wrote:
>"The=20 Daily Graphs Custom Screen Wizard allows you to scan the=20 entire
>O'Neil Database=AE for stocks matching various = criteria in 8=20 different
>categories."
>
>Based on a quick = look, this=20 tool appears to screen for just about
>everything in the = datablock=20 --- and a lot more.  Unfortunately, it looks
>like they = plan to=20 charge extra for it when the beta=20 ends.
>
>
>-
>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, = email "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ;-In=20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
>-"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your = email.


-
-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
-In= =20 the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
-"unsubscribe=20 canslim".  Do not use quotes in your = email.

Doug Chiurato
dzc@qwest.net - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, = email=20 "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" = or=20 -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C151CF.10B286A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Makara, Tamas" Subject: [CANSLIM] it was a bad day Date: 11 Oct 2001 03:11:36 +0200 The indexes up big but it seems to me that most sectors that are in the position to be leaders were weak. And it is my impression that something is wrong with healthcare, it may be tired and crowded. So tell me, where are the leaders with tight chart patterns? Tamas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 10 Oct 2001 21:20:04 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C151D1.546367A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are two generally accepted ways in which the word base is used. = WON often uses the broader way, in which "base" describes a particular = chart pattern which is eventually likely to be buyable, such as a cup = and handle. In that case, the "base" would start with the left rim, and = end with the breakout (or breakdown) from the handle. =20 I have always used the tighter meaning of "base", to describe a = generally flat line pattern. If I see a cup and handle, or double = bottom, or whatever, I will call it that. Some may see what I see as a = base to be the handle portion of a much larger "base", that's all in the = individual chart interpretation. On BVF, however, I did not consider the base that occurred prior to the = 9/11 attacks since the stock corrected so deeply. I only look at the = period since then as a result, and see no basing formation whatsoever, = just a stock that has moved ten points in three weeks. That's extended, = without a base to support it, in my book. I do not recall WON ever suggesting that a base was simply the past 52 = weeks, or the time from the last 52 week high, makes no sense to me. = After all, especially after a correction / bear market like we have had, = many stocks can form a winning formation well below their 12 month high. = If you have the reference, I would be interested in reading it in = context. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: esetser=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Say what? I see this as a 9 week "base" (using my interpretation of = the WON definition) with a short 3 day handle. The pivot was 48.58 using either the handle or the 52 week high with a cup base. IBD also = mentioned this breakout as a cup with short handle. Tom, I feel I should point out to the rest of the list that your = definition of base seems to vary significantly with WONs. The WON definition = starts with a minimum of 5 weeks (so B1, B2, etc. would be an oxymoron = according to WON). I think I remember you discussing bases as a period of tight consolidation, but I think WON regards it simply as the time from the = 52 week high to present. Am I missing something? =20 t 05:54 AM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote: > I wouldn't panic just yet, Perry. Remember that you are buying an >extended stock without a clean and nearby base established. Keep a = tight >stop loss on it, tho. Same with ACS. If you like the drug = companies, you >might want to check out Bayer A.G. - trades on the European bourses, = but >not here I think. It is the only maker of US approved oral = antibiotic for >anthrax exposure. This is a product line that was expected to = underperform >as the patent runs out in 2004, but they have already sold out their >inventory and are ramping up production. It is a high margin product = line. > Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Stanfield = >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:19 = AM=20 > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF =20 > like I >did also........maybe tomorrow that one will correct as well. > >Perry > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > > >> Dave, >> >> This has been the kiss of death for a >> Actually I planned to buy it last night with a buy stop >> Sure enough, it took. >> >> Gee, maybe I'm starting to catch on...........we will see. >> >> Perry >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF >> >> >>> Given the >holiday-ish >>> I may watch it closely tomorrow. >>> >>> >>> At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: >>>>Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, = but >still >> a >>>>new high on above average volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. Think = it >>>>should show up on radar screens tomorrow. >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Dave >>>> >>>> >>>>- >>>>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>>>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>>> Do not use quotes in your email. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> - >>> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>> Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > Do not use quotes in your email. > >=20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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There are two generally accepted ways in which the = word base=20 is used. WON often uses the broader way, in which "base" describes a = particular=20 chart pattern which is eventually likely to be buyable, such as a cup = and=20 handle. In that case, the "base" would start with the left rim, and end = with the=20 breakout (or breakdown) from the handle. 
 
I have always used the tighter meaning of "base", to = describe=20 a generally flat line pattern. If I see a cup and handle, or double = bottom, or=20 whatever, I will call it that. Some may see what I see as a base to be = the=20 handle portion of a much larger "base", that's all in the individual = chart=20 interpretation.
 
On BVF, however, I did not consider the base that = occurred=20 prior to the 9/11 attacks since the stock corrected so deeply. I only = look at=20 the period since then as a result, and see no basing formation = whatsoever, just=20 a stock that has moved ten points in three weeks. That's extended, = without a=20 base to support it, in my book.
 
I do not recall WON ever suggesting that a base was = simply the=20 past 52 weeks, or the time from the last 52 week high, makes no sense to = me.=20 After all, especially after a correction / bear market like we have had, = many=20 stocks can form a winning formation well below their 12 month high. If = you have=20 the reference, I would be interested in reading it in = context.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 esetser
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 8:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = BVF

Say what?  I see this as a 9 week "base" (using my = interpretation of the
WON definition) with a short 3 day = handle.  The=20 pivot was 48.58 using
either the handle or the 52 week high with a = cup=20 base.  IBD also mentioned
this breakout as a cup with short=20 handle.

Tom, I feel I should point out to the rest of the list = that=20 your definition
of base seems to vary significantly with = WONs.  The=20 WON definition starts
with a minimum of 5 weeks (so B1, B2, etc. = would be=20 an oxymoron according
to WON).  I think I remember you = discussing=20 bases as a period of tight
consolidation, but I think WON regards = it simply=20 as the time from the 52
week high to present.  Am I missing=20 something? 


t 05:54 AM 10/10/01 -0400, you=20 wrote:
>   I wouldn't panic just yet, Perry. Remember = that you=20 are buying  an
>extended stock without a clean and nearby = base=20 established. Keep a tight
>stop  loss on it, tho. Same with = ACS.   If you like the drug companies, you
>might want = to=20 check out  Bayer A.G. - trades on the European bourses, = but
>not=20 here I think. It is the  only maker of US approved oral = antibiotic=20 for
>anthrax exposure. This is a  product line that was = expected to=20 underperform
>as the patent runs out in 2004,  but they = have=20 already sold out their
>inventory and are ramping up production. = It  is a high margin product line.
>  Tom = Worley
>stkguru@netside.net
>AIM:&n= bsp;=20 TexWorley
>    ----- Original Message=20 -----    From:    Perry=20 Stanfield       To:
>canslim@lists.xmission.com=    =20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:19    AM
> = Re: [CANSLIM] BVF  
>   like I
>did=20 also........maybe tomorrow that one will correct    as=20 well.
>
>Perry
>
>
>----- Original = Message=20 -----
><mpstan@home.com>
><canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>Sent:   =20 Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 BVF
>
>
>>   =20 Dave,
>>
>>   This has    = been the=20 kiss of death for = a
>>       =20 Actually I planned to buy it last night with a buy = stop
>>  Sure=20 enough, it took.
>>
>> Gee, maybe I'm starting=20 to    catch on...........we will = see.
>>
>>=20 Perry
>>
>>
>>    ----- = Original=20 Message -----
>><esetser@covad.net>
>>&l= t;canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>>   =20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM
>> Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM]    = BVF
>>
>>
>>> =20 Given the
>holiday-ish
>>>  I may watch it = closely=20 tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>> At 03:50 PM = 10/8/01=20 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>Just bought = BVF.    Not a=20 perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but
>still
>>=20 a
>>>>new high on above average volume on a slow day.=20 99/87/A/A/A. Think    it
>>>>should show = up on=20 radar screens=20 = tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-->>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>= ;>>-
>>>>-To   =20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>    = -
>> -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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>
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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C151D1.546367A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) Date: 10 Oct 2001 18:35:22 -0700 I want bottoms to be within 30% of the high, as per HTMMIS. This one isn't... At 06:58 PM 10/10/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Umm, HTMMIS Chapter 15 says "Double bottoms may also have handles, although >it is not always essential." So, I do see this as a double bottom with a >handle. As far as it's relationship to the high, you want handles in the >top 50% of the base. On this one, I get 34.25 as the 50% point, so this >handle is just barely above the minimum. Personally, I look for handles >higher, generally at the 75% level or so. > >The volume came in a little light today anyway, so I would think tomorrow >would be the day to watch. I haven't been watching this one very closely. >I have also noticed quite a few short handles have formed over the last few >days, and set up quite a few stocks for nice breakouts. > >At 10:11 AM 10/10/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I have concerns with KKD. It no longer makes my screens, probably > >because the 52 wk high is $43.50. Second there is no "W with a handle" > >chart in HTMMIS; it appears to me to be a double bottom, but not formed > >close enough to the high to count as a valid chart IMO. Plus, a few days > >does not a handle make according to WON. > > > > > >|-----Original Message----- > >|From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > >|[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > >|psych360@yahoo.com > >|Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:58 AM > >|To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >|Subject: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) > >| > >| > >|Breaking a W with handle right now. > >| > >|The volume is still a little light but has been gaining... > >| > >|I'll personally wait a little longer to see if there's any more volume > >|before acting. > >| > >|97 96 A A B > >| > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] pivot point Date: 10 Oct 2001 19:39:45 -0600 Ohoh, another new data point. Well, I like to see the stock CLOSE above the pivot, so I don't think that 3 cents is likely to make a difference either way. Okay, I see the 10 cents in yesterday's Investor's Corner also. Now where did I get 13 cents? Hmm, rather than search through my stacks of IBDs, I went to Investor's Corner, and looked through the lesson on "Reading Stock Charts". The lesson used "The buy point, or pivot point, is when the stock price breaks above the prior peak price in the handle area by at least 1/8 of a point." I seem to remember they rounded 1/8 of a point to 13 cents when we changed over to decimal stock prices. Anyway.. Okay, maybe I'm not dreaming up data. At 08:48 PM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote: >In tomorrow's Investor's Corner, IBD says to use .10, instead of .13. > >I would quote them, but don't want to get a call from them about copyright >infringement! > >That's my .03's worth! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "esetser" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:36 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CYTC > > >: This is the way I'm playing this one at this point, a high handle just >: above the previous 52 week high. As far as the pivot, I'm following IBDs >: new 13 cent level (1/8 rounded up), so I'm watching for 29.06. I like the >: stock from a quick look, and I will look at all of the numbers more >closely >: if it moves beyond the pivot on good volume. >: >: >: At 10:19 PM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote: >: >OK, >: > >: >To me this looks like a handle that's developed above the left rim of a >: >small one month cup.......kind of drying up volume, drifting down >: >slightly.........so where would you put the pivot? Just a dime over the >: >high of 10/2, at 29.03? Not interested in the stock at this time, just >: >wondering what the group thought of the chart. >: > >: >Perry >: > >: > >: >- >: >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >: >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >: >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >: > >: > >: >: - >: -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >: -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >: -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >: > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 10 Oct 2001 19:46:41 -0600 I believe WON refers to a chart base as a period of consolidation. That's why I believe he uses the time of the 52 week high to present as the time of the base. Does this not make sense. Using KKD, I look at the chart and see a high at 43.50 on 6/19. To check the length of the base, I count the number of weeks or months from that time to present. I don't look at the quality of the correction to count the base length, althought I do consider that as a part of the overall buy decision. From a CANSLIM/IBD context, we should be looking for 5 weeks minimum on a flat base, and 7-8 weeks minimum on other chart formations. I believe these timeframes refer to my definition of base. At 09:20 PM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote: > I have always used the tighter meaning of "base", to describe a >generally flat line pattern. If I see a cup and handle, or double bottom, >or whatever, I will call it that. Some may see what I see as a base to be >the handle portion of a much larger "base", that's all in the individual >chart interpretation. On BVF, however, I did not consider the base that >occurred prior to the 9/11 attacks since the stock corrected so deeply. I >only look at the period since then as a result, and see no basing >formation whatsoever, just a stock that has moved ten points in three >weeks. That's extended, without a base to support it, in my book. I do >not recall WON ever suggesting that a base was simply the past 52 weeks, >or the time from the last 52 week high, makes no sense to me. After all, >especially after a correction / bear market like we have had, many stocks >can form a winning formation well below their 12 month high. If you have >the reference, I would be interested in reading it in context. Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: esetser To: >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > I see this as a 9 week "base" (using my interpretation of the > The pivot was 48.58 using > IBD also mentioned >this breakout as a cup with short handle. > >Tom, I feel I should point out to the rest of the list that your definition > The WON definition starts >with a minimum of 5 weeks (so B1, B2, etc. would be an oxymoron according > I think I remember you discussing bases as a period of tight >consolidation, but I think WON regards it simply as the time from the 52 > > > >t 05:54 AM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote: >> an >>extended stock without a clean and nearby base established. Keep a tight >> If you like the drug companies, you >> Bayer A.G. - trades on the European bourses, but >> only maker of US approved oral antibiotic for >> product line that was expected to underperform >> but they have already sold out their >> is a high margin product line. >> Tom Worley >>stkguru@netside.net >> TexWorley >> To: >>canslim@lists.xmission.com AM >> >> like I >> as well. >> >>Perry >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM >>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF >> >> >>> Dave, >>> >>> been the kiss of death for a >>> Actually I planned to buy it last night with a buy stop >>> Sure enough, it took. >>> >>> catch on...........we will see. >>> >>> Perry >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM >>> BVF >>> >>> >>>> Given the >>holiday-ish >>>> I may watch it closely tomorrow. >>>> >>>> >>>> At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: >>>>> Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but >>still >>> a >>>>> it >>>>>should show up on radar screens tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>- >>>>> subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>>>>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>>>> Do not use quotes in your email. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>>> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>>> Do not use quotes in your email. >>> >>> >>> - >>> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>> the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>> Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >>- >> subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> not use quotes in your email. >> >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) Date: 10 Oct 2001 21:03:24 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01F0_01C151CF.0063B8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Had a cup of Starbucks coffee and a KKD donut after lunch at a Target = Kiosk and the case was chuck full of donuts. I ate about half of it = because it was soggy and not very tasty. They reminded me of the taste = of cinnamon rolls that my wife bought at the Mrs. Bairds day old bakery = outlet. They are way too expensive... I doubt that folks will give up = their beer and cigarette money for these things. Yeah, I've heard that to enjoy them you need to get one that just came = out of the grease.... the closet one to me is an hours drive.... = unfortunately KKD is relying on distributing their donuts through = outlets.... can't be good for ongoing growth.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) I want bottoms to be within 30% of the high, as per HTMMIS. This one = isn't... At 06:58 PM 10/10/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Umm, HTMMIS Chapter 15 says "Double bottoms may also have handles, = although >it is not always essential." So, I do see this as a double bottom = with a >handle. As far as it's relationship to the high, you want handles in = the >top 50% of the base. On this one, I get 34.25 as the 50% point, so = this >handle is just barely above the minimum. Personally, I look for = handles >higher, generally at the 75% level or so. > >The volume came in a little light today anyway, so I would think = tomorrow >would be the day to watch. I haven't been watching this one very = closely. >I have also noticed quite a few short handles have formed over the = last few >days, and set up quite a few stocks for nice breakouts. > >At 10:11 AM 10/10/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I have concerns with KKD. It no longer makes my screens, probably > >because the 52 wk high is $43.50. Second there is no "W with a = handle" > >chart in HTMMIS; it appears to me to be a double bottom, but not = formed > >close enough to the high to count as a valid chart IMO. Plus, a few = days > >does not a handle make according to WON. > > > > > >|-----Original Message----- > >|From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > >|[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > >|psych360@yahoo.com > >|Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:58 AM > >|To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >|Subject: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) > >| > >| > >|Breaking a W with handle right now. > >| > >|The volume is still a little light but has been gaining... > >| > >|I'll personally wait a little longer to see if there's any more = volume > >|before acting. > >| > >|97 96 A A B > >| > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. 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Had a cup of Starbucks coffee and a = KKD donut=20 after lunch at a Target Kiosk and = the case was=20 chuck full of donuts. I ate about = half of it=20 because it was soggy and not very tasty. They=20 reminded me of the taste of cinnamon rolls that my wife = bought at the Mrs. Bairds day old bakery outlet.  They are way too expensive... I doubt = that folks will give up their beer and cigarette money for = these=20 things.
 
Yeah, I've heard that to enjoy them = you need to=20 get one that just came out of the = grease....=20 the closet one to me is an hours drive.... unfortunately KKD is = relying on distributing their donuts=20 through outlets.... can't be good for ongoing = growth. 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 8:35=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Heads up = - Krispy=20 Kreme (KKD)

I want bottoms to be within 30% of the high, as per = HTMMIS.=20 This one isn't...

At 06:58 PM 10/10/2001 -0600, you = wrote:
>Umm,=20 HTMMIS Chapter 15 says "Double bottoms may also have handles,=20 although
>it is not always essential."  So, I do see this = as a=20 double bottom with a
>handle.  As far as it's relationship = to the=20 high, you want handles in the
>top 50% of the base.  On = this one, I=20 get 34.25 as the 50% point, so this
>handle is just barely above = the=20 minimum.  Personally, I look for handles
>higher, generally = at the=20 75% level or so.
>
>The volume came in a little light = today=20 anyway, so I would think tomorrow
>would be the day to = watch.  I=20 haven't been watching this one very closely.
>I have also = noticed quite=20 a few short handles have formed over the last few
>days, and set = up=20 quite a few stocks for nice breakouts.
>
>At 10:11 AM = 10/10/01=20 -0700, you wrote:
> >I have concerns with KKD. It no longer = makes my=20 screens, probably
> >because the 52 wk high is $43.50. Second = there=20 is no "W with a handle"
> >chart in HTMMIS; it appears to me = to be a=20 double bottom, but not formed
> >close enough to the high to = count as=20 a valid chart IMO. Plus, a few days
> >does not a handle make = according to WON.
> >
> >
> >|-----Original = Message-----
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>=20 >|psych360@yahoo.com
> >|Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 = 9:58=20 AM
> >|To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>=20 >|Subject: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD)
> = >|
>=20 >|
> >|Breaking a W with handle right now.
> = >|
>=20 >|The volume is still a little light but has been = gaining...
>=20 >|
> >|I'll personally wait a little longer to see if = there's any=20 more volume
> >|before acting.
> >|
> >|97 = 96 A A=20 B
> >|
> >
> >
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-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_01F0_01C151CF.0063B8A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Gammon" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Heads up - Krispy Kreme (KKD) Date: 10 Oct 2001 21:10:44 -0500 (CDT) On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:03:24 -0500, Gene Ricci wrote: >Yeah, I've heard that to enjoy them you need to get one that just came out of the grease.... the closet one to me is an hours drive.... unfortunately KKD is relying on distributing their donuts through outlets.... can't be good for ongoing growth. From my memories of high school 30 some years ago in the heart of KKD country, the football team would take 2-3 cars to the neighboring town where KKD had a store and load up. They walked the halls with boxes for sale, and sold out by the end of the day. Get to them in the first hour after the guys got back (at that time, the only female participation was in the cheerleading squad), and nearly everyone could tear thru a whole dozen without thinking. The donuts were warm, and oh so soft. In new markets, KKD has traffic problems for several weeks after they open their first outlet. Incredible lines develop when donuts are coming out of the sugar bath. Robert - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] pivot point Date: 10 Oct 2001 22:40:10 -0400 No, actually that article in Investors' Corner refers to the previous 1/8 point and .13. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 9:39 PM : Ohoh, another new data point. Well, I like to see the stock CLOSE above : the pivot, so I don't think that 3 cents is likely to make a difference : either way. : : Okay, I see the 10 cents in yesterday's Investor's Corner also. Now where : did I get 13 cents? Hmm, rather than search through my stacks of IBDs, I : went to Investor's Corner, and looked through the lesson on "Reading Stock : Charts". The lesson used "The buy point, or pivot point, is when the stock : price breaks above the prior peak price in the handle area by at least 1/8 : of a point." I seem to remember they rounded 1/8 of a point to 13 cents : when we changed over to decimal stock prices. Anyway.. Okay, maybe I'm not : dreaming up data. : : At 08:48 PM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote: : >In tomorrow's Investor's Corner, IBD says to use .10, instead of .13. : > : >I would quote them, but don't want to get a call from them about copyright : >infringement! : > : >That's my .03's worth! : > : > : >----- Original Message ----- : >From: "esetser" : >To: : >Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:36 PM : >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CYTC : > : > : >: This is the way I'm playing this one at this point, a high handle just : >: above the previous 52 week high. As far as the pivot, I'm following IBDs : >: new 13 cent level (1/8 rounded up), so I'm watching for 29.06. I like the : >: stock from a quick look, and I will look at all of the numbers more : >closely : >: if it moves beyond the pivot on good volume. : >: : >: : >: At 10:19 PM 10/9/01 -0700, you wrote: : >: >OK, : >: > : >: >To me this looks like a handle that's developed above the left rim of a : >: >small one month cup.......kind of drying up volume, drifting down : >: >slightly.........so where would you put the pivot? Just a dime over the : >: >high of 10/2, at 29.03? Not interested in the stock at this time, just : >: >wondering what the group thought of the chart. : >: > : >: >Perry : >: > : >: > : >: >- : >: >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : >: >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : >: >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : >: > : >: > : >: : >: - : >: -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : >: -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : >: -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : >: : > : > : >- : >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : > : > : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:13:44 -0700 Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume on upticks - volume on downticks) today. That's significantly higher than yesterday (+35,000) even though the price was down significantly today and up significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in the face of a general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the current price may be good support. David - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 23:09:04 -0400 David, Can you explain that in more detail please to one who is trying to understand the MM business. Thanks. Ann it suggest MM manipulation?----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:13 PM : Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume on upticks - volume : on downticks) today. That's significantly higher than yesterday : (+35,000) even though the price was down significantly today and up : significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in the face of a : general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the current price : may be good support. : : David : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:32:43 -0700 Ann Good question. There are many books on MM activities and how they manipulate the price to benefit their employers and their clients. Of course, I don't know for sure what's actually going on so these are just suspicions. However, when I see significantly higher volume on upticks than on downticks and yet the stock price is declining, I wonder. During low volume times it's the axe (primary market maker) or another MM who can take a stock up or down with relatively few shares. That way by buying a few or selling a few he (she) can move the price pretty significantly. By moving the price up he can try to trigger a surge of buying which will then let him unload his shares at a higher price. By selling during a lull he can take the price down, usually to a support point (like today), and trigger some sell stops (thus the high volume when the support was hit) which will give him a ready supply of cheap shares. MMs can often see the stop or limit orders waiting to be hit and they will often try to reach them, this is called "running stops." Some experienced traders like to trade during the first half hour on the theory that the volume of new orders can limit the MM's ability to manipulate the price. The last hour is also a time when that can happen though sometimes that volume is not a result of new orders. David - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 23:28:20 -0400 Thanks, David. I'll digest this. Where do you get your data on uptick/downtick volume? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:32 PM : Ann : : Good question. There are many books on MM activities and how they : manipulate the price to benefit their employers and their clients. Of : course, I don't know for sure what's actually going on so these are just : suspicions. However, when I see significantly higher volume on upticks : than on downticks and yet the stock price is declining, I wonder. During : low volume times it's the axe (primary market maker) or another MM who : can take a stock up or down with relatively few shares. That way by : buying a few or selling a few he (she) can move the price pretty : significantly. By moving the price up he can try to trigger a surge of : buying which will then let him unload his shares at a higher price. By : selling during a lull he can take the price down, usually to a support : point (like today), and trigger some sell stops (thus the high volume : when the support was hit) which will give him a ready supply of cheap : shares. MMs can often see the stop or limit orders waiting to be hit and : they will often try to reach them, this is called "running stops." : : Some experienced traders like to trade during the first half hour on the : theory that the volume of new orders can limit the MM's ability to : manipulate the price. The last hour is also a time when that can happen : though sometimes that volume is not a result of new orders. : : David : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 23:36:50 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C151E4.6FE5A980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ann, recognize that there is a significant degree of paranoia among = investors regarding MM (market makers) on the NASDAQ. But in reality = there is little difference between MM on Naz, and the floor specialist = on NYSE or AMEX, except that the floor specialist can see all orders. = With the influx of day traders with Level Two machines, visibility is no = longer as major an issue.=20 All a market maker really is is a day trader. He's trying to make money = for his firm playing the spread, and the momentum. That's his job, and = it's important he not be caught on the wrong side of momentum. While it = is certainly possible for a MM to manipulate the market, especially on = thinly traded issues, it's generally not that easy as one MM is in = direct competition with other MMers, as well as sizable day traders. The = reality is that many MMers are looking at the same information and data, = and respond similarly. Thus, it is not unusual for a collective group of = MMers to drive the price lower, all because they are playing the same = negative momentum lower. Market makers do not necessarily want to end = the day with inventory. More often then want to finish out the day flat = on inventory, and able to calculate their daily gains or losses = accordingly. Since market makers must mark to market any long or short = position, it is far more advantageous to only be in cash at the end of = the day. Certainly, I have seen indirect evidence of a MMer slamming the bid to = drive it thru some known stop loss orders. On the other hand, no one = MMer knows what another is prepared to do. Accumulation at any price is = almost always good, as it creates support at that price. But that is = only a temporary support, good only so long as the buyer is willing to = take in shares. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH David, Can you explain that in more detail please to one who is trying to understand the MM business. Thanks. Ann it suggest MM manipulation?----- Original Message ----- From: "david" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH : Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume on upticks - = volume : on downticks) today. That's significantly higher than yesterday : (+35,000) even though the price was down significantly today and up : significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in the face = of a : general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the current = price : may be good support. : : David : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Ann, recognize that there is a significant degree of = paranoia=20 among investors regarding MM (market makers) on the NASDAQ. But in = reality there=20 is little difference between MM on Naz, and the floor specialist on NYSE = or=20 AMEX, except that the floor specialist can see all orders. With the = influx of=20 day traders with Level Two machines, visibility is no longer = as major an=20 issue.
 
All a market maker really is is a day trader. He's = trying to=20 make money for his firm playing the spread, and the momentum. That's his = job,=20 and it's important he not be caught on the wrong side of momentum. While = it is=20 certainly possible for a MM to manipulate the market, especially on = thinly=20 traded issues, it's generally not that easy as one MM is in direct = competition=20 with other MMers, as well as sizable day traders. The reality is that = many MMers=20 are looking at the same information and data, and respond similarly. = Thus, it is=20 not unusual for a collective group of MMers to drive the price lower, = all=20 because they are playing the same negative momentum lower. Market makers = do not=20 necessarily want to end the day with inventory. More often then want to = finish=20 out the day flat on inventory, and able to calculate their daily gains = or losses=20 accordingly. Since market makers must mark to market any long or short = position,=20 it is far more advantageous to only be in cash at the end of the=20 day.
 
Certainly, I have seen indirect evidence of a MMer = slamming=20 the bid to drive it thru some known stop loss orders. On the other hand, = no one=20 MMer knows what another is prepared to do. Accumulation at any price is = almost=20 always good, as it creates support at that price. But that is only a = temporary=20 support, good only so long as the buyer is willing to take in=20 shares.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ann=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 11:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = AHMH

David,
Can you explain that in more detail please to = one who=20 is trying to
understand the MM = business.
Thanks.
Ann

it=20 suggest MM manipulation?----- Original Message -----
From: "david" = <david@epud.net>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 AHMH


: Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume = on=20 upticks - volume
: on downticks) today. That's significantly higher = than=20 yesterday
: (+35,000) even though the price was down significantly = today=20 and up
: significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in = the face=20 of a
: general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the = current=20 price
: may be good support.
:
: David
:
:
: -
: = -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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-
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------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C151E4.6FE5A980-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:46:18 -0700 Ann IQ Charts has a very good subscription charting service ($25 per month for delayed and about $50 for real time) with lots of indicators (24 actually), one of which is money flow. I have not found money flow in any of the free charting sites but I find it very useful for discovering if there is underlying accumulation or distribution. There is a similar indicator called on-balance volume available on many sites but it is much cruder. It just takes the day's total volume and adds it to a moving average if the stock closes up for the day or subtracts it if the stock closes down. Clearly it would missinterpret what happened to AHMH today. And, by the way, are you composing your questions before you get my answers? :-))) David - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: [CANSLIM] Off topic: NASDAQ MM vs. NYSE specialists Date: 10 Oct 2001 23:51:27 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0170_01C151E6.7A11CF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the response. I just read an article on the Web last night (from June, 2000) which = said that the specialists are very different from the MMs because of the = auction factor. I'll try to find the source. It was by Bill Rini, = Jeffrey Benton, Chris Lott. http://invest-faq.com/articles/exch-nyse.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Ann, recognize that there is a significant degree of paranoia among = investors regarding MM (market makers) on the NASDAQ. But in reality = there is little difference between MM on Naz, and the floor specialist = on NYSE or AMEX, except that the floor specialist can see all orders. = With the influx of day traders with Level Two machines, visibility is no = longer as major an issue.=20 All a market maker really is is a day trader. He's trying to make = money for his firm playing the spread, and the momentum. That's his job, = and it's important he not be caught on the wrong side of momentum. While = it is certainly possible for a MM to manipulate the market, especially = on thinly traded issues, it's generally not that easy as one MM is in = direct competition with other MMers, as well as sizable day traders. The = reality is that many MMers are looking at the same information and data, = and respond similarly. Thus, it is not unusual for a collective group of = MMers to drive the price lower, all because they are playing the same = negative momentum lower. Market makers do not necessarily want to end = the day with inventory. More often then want to finish out the day flat = on inventory, and able to calculate their daily gains or losses = accordingly. Since market makers must mark to market any long or short = position, it is far more advantageous to only be in cash at the end of = the day. Certainly, I have seen indirect evidence of a MMer slamming the bid to = drive it thru some known stop loss orders. On the other hand, no one = MMer knows what another is prepared to do. Accumulation at any price is = almost always good, as it creates support at that price. But that is = only a temporary support, good only so long as the buyer is willing to = take in shares. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH David, Can you explain that in more detail please to one who is trying to understand the MM business. Thanks. Ann it suggest MM manipulation?----- Original Message ----- From: "david" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH : Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume on upticks - = volume : on downticks) today. That's significantly higher than yesterday : (+35,000) even though the price was down significantly today and = up : significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in the face = of a : general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the current = price : may be good support. : : David : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0170_01C151E6.7A11CF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the response.
 
I just read an article on the Web last night = (from June,=20 2000) which said that the specialists are very different from the = MMs=20 because of the auction factor. I'll try to find the source. It was = by Bill=20 Rini, Jeffrey Benton, Chris Lott.
 
http://invest-faq.= com/articles/exch-nyse.html
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 11:36=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = AHMH

Ann, recognize that there is a significant degree = of=20 paranoia among investors regarding MM (market makers) on the NASDAQ. = But in=20 reality there is little difference between MM on Naz, and the floor = specialist=20 on NYSE or AMEX, except that the floor specialist can see all orders. = With the=20 influx of day traders with Level Two machines, visibility is no longer = as major an issue.
 
All a market maker really is is a day trader. He's = trying to=20 make money for his firm playing the spread, and the momentum. That's = his job,=20 and it's important he not be caught on the wrong side of momentum. = While it is=20 certainly possible for a MM to manipulate the market, especially on = thinly=20 traded issues, it's generally not that easy as one MM is in direct = competition=20 with other MMers, as well as sizable day traders. The reality is that = many=20 MMers are looking at the same information and data, and respond = similarly.=20 Thus, it is not unusual for a collective group of MMers to drive the = price=20 lower, all because they are playing the same negative momentum lower. = Market=20 makers do not necessarily want to end the day with inventory. More = often then=20 want to finish out the day flat on inventory, and able to calculate = their=20 daily gains or losses accordingly. Since market makers must mark to = market any=20 long or short position, it is far more advantageous to only be in cash = at the=20 end of the day.
 
Certainly, I have seen indirect evidence of a MMer = slamming=20 the bid to drive it thru some known stop loss orders. On the other = hand, no=20 one MMer knows what another is prepared to do. Accumulation at any = price is=20 almost always good, as it creates support at that price. But that is = only a=20 temporary support, good only so long as the buyer is willing to take = in=20 shares.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ann=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 11:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = AHMH

David,
Can you explain that in more detail please = to one=20 who is trying to
understand the MM = business.
Thanks.
Ann

it=20 suggest MM manipulation?----- Original Message -----
From: = "david" <david@epud.net>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 AHMH


: Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume = on=20 upticks - volume
: on downticks) today. That's significantly = higher than=20 yesterday
: (+35,000) even though the price was down = significantly today=20 and up
: significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation = in the=20 face of a
: general accumulation of shares and it suggests that = the=20 current price
: may be good support.
:
: = David
:
:
:=20 -
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------=_NextPart_000_0170_01C151E6.7A11CF40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 23:52:31 -0400 David, I appreciate your detailed discussion and instruction. Thanks, Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:46 PM : Ann : : IQ Charts has a very good subscription charting service ($25 per month : for delayed and about $50 for real time) with lots of indicators (24 : actually), one of which is money flow. I have not found money flow in : any of the free charting sites but I find it very useful for discovering : if there is underlying accumulation or distribution. : : There is a similar indicator called on-balance volume available on many : sites but it is much cruder. It just takes the day's total volume and : adds it to a moving average if the stock closes up for the day or : subtracts it if the stock closes down. Clearly it would missinterpret : what happened to AHMH today. : : And, by the way, are you composing your questions before you get my : answers? : :-))) : : David : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 10 Oct 2001 20:29:05 -0700 That's why I said it was a stop sweep. There is a site (have the URL at work) that reports institutional buying/selling based on ticker indicators. They were buying huge lots on the dips esp at the close. At 08:13 PM 10/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume on upticks - volume >on downticks) today. That's significantly higher than yesterday >(+35,000) even though the price was down significantly today and up >significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in the face of a >general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the current price >may be good support. > >David > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Quinn" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question for Tom Worley Date: 10 Oct 2001 21:30:53 -0700 Thanks for the responses, people... Jack _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 11 Oct 2001 04:41:42 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1520F.06304BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Finally, In HTMMIS, the charts in the back I see all kinds of patterns that WON describes as bases, I also see a lot of what look like bases described as CWH and it has been confusing me. At least here is some sort of definition. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 6:20 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF There are two generally accepted ways in which the word base is used. WON often uses the broader way, in which "base" describes a particular chart pattern which is eventually likely to be buyable, such as a cup and handle. In that case, the "base" would start with the left rim, and end with the breakout (or breakdown) from the handle. I have always used the tighter meaning of "base", to describe a generally flat line pattern. If I see a cup and handle, or double bottom, or whatever, I will call it that. Some may see what I see as a base to be the handle portion of a much larger "base", that's all in the individual chart interpretation. On BVF, however, I did not consider the base that occurred prior to the 9/11 attacks since the stock corrected so deeply. I only look at the period since then as a result, and see no basing formation whatsoever, just a stock that has moved ten points in three weeks. That's extended, without a base to support it, in my book. I do not recall WON ever suggesting that a base was simply the past 52 weeks, or the time from the last 52 week high, makes no sense to me. After all, especially after a correction / bear market like we have had, many stocks can form a winning formation well below their 12 month high. If you have the reference, I would be interested in reading it in context. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- From: esetser To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Say what? I see this as a 9 week "base" (using my interpretation of the WON definition) with a short 3 day handle. The pivot was 48.58 using either the handle or the 52 week high with a cup base. IBD also mentioned this breakout as a cup with short handle. Tom, I feel I should point out to the rest of the list that your definition of base seems to vary significantly with WONs. The WON definition starts with a minimum of 5 weeks (so B1, B2, etc. would be an oxymoron according to WON). I think I remember you discussing bases as a period of tight consolidation, but I think WON regards it simply as the time from the 52 week high to present. Am I missing something? t 05:54 AM 10/10/01 -0400, you wrote: > I wouldn't panic just yet, Perry. Remember that you are buying an >extended stock without a clean and nearby base established. Keep a tight >stop loss on it, tho. Same with ACS. If you like the drug companies, you >might want to check out Bayer A.G. - trades on the European bourses, but >not here I think. It is the only maker of US approved oral antibiotic for >anthrax exposure. This is a product line that was expected to underperform >as the patent runs out in 2004, but they have already sold out their >inventory and are ramping up production. It is a high margin product line. > Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: Perry Stanfield To: >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > like I >did also........maybe tomorrow that one will correct as well. > >Perry > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF > > >> Dave, >> >> This has been the kiss of death for a >> Actually I planned to buy it last night with a buy stop >> Sure enough, it took. >> >> Gee, maybe I'm starting to catch on...........we will see. >> >> Perry >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF >> >> >>> Given the >holiday-ish >>> I may watch it closely tomorrow. >>> >>> >>> At 03:50 PM 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote: >>>>Just bought BVF. Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, but >still >> a >>>>new high on above average volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. Think it >>>>should show up on radar screens tomorrow. >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Dave >>>> >>>> >>>>- >>>>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>>>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>>> Do not use quotes in your email. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> - >>> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>> Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Finally, In HTMMIS, the charts in the back I see all kinds of = patterns=20 that WON describes as bases, I also see a lot of what look like bases = described=20 as CWH and it has been confusing me. At least here is some sort of=20 definition.
 
Charlie
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 6:20 = PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 BVF

There are two generally accepted ways in which the = word base=20 is used. WON often uses the broader way, in which "base" describes a=20 particular chart pattern which is eventually likely to be buyable, = such as a=20 cup and handle. In that case, the "base" would start with the left = rim, and=20 end with the breakout (or breakdown) from the handle.  =
 
I have always used the tighter meaning of "base", = to=20 describe a generally flat line pattern. If I see a cup and handle, or = double=20 bottom, or whatever, I will call it that. Some may see what I see as a = base to=20 be the handle portion of a much larger "base", that's all in the = individual=20 chart interpretation.
 
On BVF, however, I did not consider the base that = occurred=20 prior to the 9/11 attacks since the stock corrected so deeply. I only = look at=20 the period since then as a result, and see no basing formation = whatsoever,=20 just a stock that has moved ten points in three weeks. That's = extended,=20 without a base to support it, in my book.
 
I do not recall WON ever suggesting that a base = was simply=20 the past 52 weeks, or the time from the last 52 week high, makes no = sense to=20 me. After all, especially after a correction / bear market like we = have had,=20 many stocks can form a winning formation well below their 12 month = high. If=20 you have the reference, I would be interested in reading it in=20 context.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 esetser=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, = 2001 8:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = BVF

Say what?  I see this as a 9 week "base" (using = my=20 interpretation of the
WON definition) with a short 3 day = handle. =20 The pivot was 48.58 using
either the handle or the 52 week high = with a=20 cup base.  IBD also mentioned
this breakout as a cup with = short=20 handle.

Tom, I feel I should point out to the rest of the = list that=20 your definition
of base seems to vary significantly with = WONs.  The=20 WON definition starts
with a minimum of 5 weeks (so B1, B2, etc. = would be=20 an oxymoron according
to WON).  I think I remember you = discussing=20 bases as a period of tight
consolidation, but I think WON regards = it=20 simply as the time from the 52
week high to present.  Am I = missing=20 something? 


t 05:54 AM 10/10/01 -0400, you=20 wrote:
>   I wouldn't panic just yet, Perry. = Remember that=20 you are buying  an
>extended stock without a clean and = nearby=20 base established. Keep a tight
>stop  loss on it, tho. = Same with=20 ACS.   If you like the drug companies, you
>might = want to=20 check out  Bayer A.G. - trades on the European bourses, = but
>not=20 here I think. It is the  only maker of US approved oral = antibiotic=20 for
>anthrax exposure. This is a  product line that was = expected=20 to underperform
>as the patent runs out in 2004,  but = they have=20 already sold out their
>inventory and are ramping up = production.=20 It  is a high margin product line.
>  Tom = Worley
>stkguru@netside.net
>AIM:&n= bsp;=20 TexWorley
>    ----- Original Message=20 -----    From:    Perry=20 Stanfield       To:
>canslim@lists.xmission.com=    =20 Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 1:19    AM
> = Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF  
>   like=20 I
>did also........maybe tomorrow that one will=20 correct    as=20 well.
>
>Perry
>
>
>----- Original = Message=20 -----
><mpstan@home.com>
><canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>Sent:   =20 Monday, October 08, 2001 8:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 BVF
>
>
>>   =20 Dave,
>>
>>   This has    = been=20 the kiss of death for=20 a
>>        Actually I = planned=20 to buy it last night with a buy stop
>>  Sure enough, = it=20 took.
>>
>> Gee, maybe I'm starting = to   =20 catch on...........we will see.
>>
>>=20 Perry
>>
>>
>>    ----- = Original=20 Message -----
>><esetser@covad.net>
>>&l= t;canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>>   =20 Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 6:44 PM
>> Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM]   =20 BVF
>>
>>
>>>  Given=20 the
>holiday-ish
>>>  I may watch it closely=20 tomorrow.
>>>
>>>
>>> At 03:50 = PM=20 10/8/01 -0400, you wrote:
>>>>Just bought=20 BVF.    Not a perfect chart, not overwhelming volume, = but
>still
>> a
>>>>new high on above = average=20 volume on a slow day. 99/87/A/A/A. Think   =20 it
>>>>should show up on radar screens=20 = tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-->>>>Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>= ;>>-
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>>>>
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1520F.06304BA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 11 Oct 2001 07:21:37 -0400 Can you send that site? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:29 PM : That's why I said it was a stop sweep. There is a site (have the URL at : work) that reports institutional buying/selling based on ticker indicators. : They were buying huge lots on the dips esp at the close. : : At 08:13 PM 10/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: : >Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume on upticks - volume : >on downticks) today. That's significantly higher than yesterday : >(+35,000) even though the price was down significantly today and up : >significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in the face of a : >general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the current price : >may be good support. : > : >David : > : > : >- : >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : : Tim Fisher : Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site : Pacific Fishery Biologists Information : mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com : WWW http://OreRockOn.com : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 11 Oct 2001 07:26:40 -0400 David and Tim, It's interesting that you both project the same conclusion. But what about the fact that it never went above it's open of 21.25? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:29 PM : That's why I said it was a stop sweep. There is a site (have the URL at : work) that reports institutional buying/selling based on ticker indicators. : They were buying huge lots on the dips esp at the close. : : At 08:13 PM 10/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: : >Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume on upticks - volume : >on downticks) today. That's significantly higher than yesterday : >(+35,000) even though the price was down significantly today and up : >significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in the face of a : >general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the current price : >may be good support. : > : >David : > : > : >- : >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : : Tim Fisher : Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site : Pacific Fishery Biologists Information : mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com : WWW http://OreRockOn.com : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Third follow through day Date: 11 Oct 2001 08:20:49 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C1522D.A25B8F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yesterday gave us, once again, a very strong follow thru day on almost = every major index. This included the DOW 30, S&P 500, Naz 100, Naz = Composite, NYSE Composite, Russell 2000, and DJ Trans. The DJ Financial = only gained about 1.5% so it failed the 2% rule. The DJ Utility barely = budged. For this many indexes to again move more than 2% higher all on the same = day tells me a tremendous amount of sidelined cash is racing back into = the markets. And with the Utility index not moving, this money is not = chasing safety, it's going after growth. Since the bond market did not = appear to get hammered, it does not appear like money is yet moving from = there, this money likely is coming from money markets. =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C1522D.A25B8F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yesterday gave us, once again, a very strong follow = thru day=20 on almost every major index. This included the DOW 30, S&P 500, Naz = 100, Naz=20 Composite, NYSE Composite, Russell 2000, and DJ Trans. The DJ Financial = only=20 gained about 1.5% so it failed the 2% rule. The DJ Utility barely=20 budged.
 
For this many indexes to again move more than 2% = higher all on=20 the same day tells me a tremendous amount of sidelined cash is racing = back into=20 the markets. And with the Utility index not moving, this money is not = chasing=20 safety, it's going after growth. Since the bond market did not appear to = get=20 hammered, it does not appear like money is yet moving from there, this = money=20 likely is coming from money markets.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C1522D.A25B8F80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 11 Oct 2001 08:19:29 -0600 On 10 Oct 01, at 21:20, Tom Worley wrote: > On BVF, however, I did not consider the base that occurred prior > to the 9/11 attacks since the stock corrected so deeply. I only > look at the period since then as a result, and see no basing > formation whatsoever, just a stock that has moved ten points in > three weeks. That's extended, without a base to support it, in my > book. I don't know what the correct answer is, but BVF only corrected with the market during an extremely severe, news induced general market sell off, that is, the BVF sell off was not related to any news on the company, and it has quickly returned to the level of the base that formed in August, so I think you could make a good case that it formed a solid base between 44 and 48, with a short lived, market induced dip out of that range and an immediate recovery back to the level of the base. So I guess I would argue the base remained in tact, and it did have something of a breakout. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Johnson" Subject: [CANSLIM] New High's (was BVF) Date: 11 Oct 2001 10:46:49 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C15242.079AF700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In response ........ >>I do not recall WON ever suggesting that a base was simply the past 52 = weeks, or the time from the last 52 week high, makes no sense to me. = >>After all, especially after a correction / bear market like we have = had, many stocks can form a winning formation well below their 12 month = high. >>If you have the reference, I would be interested in reading it = in context. >>Tom Worley >>stkguru@netside.net >>AIM: TexWorley The "N" in CANSLIM represents New Products, New Management, New Highs. =20 On page 26 in HTMMIS, WON states that the correct time to buy a stock is = when a stock is close to or actually makes a new high after undergoing a = price correction. It does not directly state that the beginning of the = base is a 52 week high, but I think it can be inferred. So my conclusion is that a base does in fact begin with a previous 52 = week high. What do you guys think?? I do recall some discussion on this a few months back... ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C15242.079AF700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In response ........
 
>>I do not recall WON ever suggesting that a = base was=20 simply the past 52 weeks, or the time from the last 52 week high, makes = no sense=20 to me. >>After all, especially after a correction / bear market = like we=20 have had, many stocks can form a winning formation well below their 12 = month=20 high. >>If you have the reference, I would be interested in = reading it in=20 context.
 
>>Tom Worley
>>stkguru@netside.net
>>AI= M:=20 TexWorley
The "N" in CANSLIM represents New Products, New Management, New=20 Highs. 
 
On page 26 in HTMMIS, WON states that the correct time to buy a = stock is=20 when a stock is close to or actually makes a new high after undergoing a = price=20 correction.  It does not directly state that the beginning of the = base is a=20 52 week high, but I think it can be inferred.
 
So my conclusion is that a base does in fact begin with a previous = 52 week=20 high.
 
What do you guys think??
 
I do recall some discussion on this a few months back...
 
------=_NextPart_000_0121_01C15242.079AF700-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] CPRT, BRO Date: 11 Oct 2001 08:10:24 -0700 I'm surprised no one is mentioning the CPRT breakout from the high handle/flag/whatever today. Great volume, legit B/O from a somewhat questionable base. Also watching BRO today, they surprise announced (said they would do it after the market closed and then did it at 10AM NYT). Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Johnson" Subject: [CANSLIM] CECO Date: 11 Oct 2001 11:48:24 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C1524A.A249FD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been eyeing this one.... Nice u shaped chart with handle on lower volume and drifting down. 6 - = 7 week long base (so far). Nice earnings and sales growth. A little = light on the EPS (75). Ranked second behind APOL on investors.com stock = checkup. RS is near (not at) new high. Nice annual earnings growth. There were some pretty big distribution days in first part of base. I = see that the U/D vol ratio is at .7 . Is this enough to encourage = someone to stay away? It did just have a stock split which the Wade Cook Disciples should = love!! ------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C1524A.A249FD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been eyeing this one....
 
Nice u shaped chart with handle on lower volume and = drifting=20 down.  6 - 7 week long base (so far).  Nice earnings and sales = growth.  A little light on the EPS (75).  Ranked second behind = APOL on=20 investors.com stock checkup.
 
RS is near (not at) new high.  Nice annual = earnings=20 growth.
 
There were some pretty big distribution days in = first part of=20 base.  I see that the U/D vol ratio is at .7 .   Is this = enough=20 to encourage someone to stay away?
 
It did just have a stock split which the Wade Cook = Disciples=20 should love!!
------=_NextPart_000_0133_01C1524A.A249FD20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 11 Oct 2001 12:04:01 EDT Tom: What do you mean by "...slamming the bid" and "...to drive it through known stop loss orders"? jans In a message dated 10/10/2001 11:39:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << Ann, recognize that there is a significant degree of paranoia among investors regarding MM (market makers) on the NASDAQ. But in reality there is little difference between MM on Naz, and the floor specialist on NYSE or AMEX, except that the floor specialist can see all orders. With the influx of day traders with Level Two machines, visibility is no longer as major an issue. All a market maker really is is a day trader. He's trying to make money for his firm playing the spread, and the momentum. That's his job, and it's important he not be caught on the wrong side of momentum. While it is certainly possible for a MM to manipulate the market, especially on thinly traded issues, it's generally not that easy as one MM is in direct competition with other MMers, as well as sizable day traders. The reality is that many MMers are looking at the same information and data, and respond similarly. Thus, it is not unusual for a collective group of MMers to drive the price lower, all because they are playing the same negative momentum lower. Market makers do not necessarily want to end the day with inventory. More often then want to finish out the day flat on inventory, and able to calculate their daily gains or losses accordingly. Since market makers must mark to market any long or short position, it is far more advantageous to only be in cash at the end of the day. Certainly, I have seen indirect evidence of a MMer slamming the bid to drive it thru some known stop loss orders. On the other hand, no one MMer knows what another is prepared to do. Accumulation at any price is almost always good, as it creates support at that price. But that is only a temporary support, good only so long as the buyer is willing to take in shares. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CECO Date: 11 Oct 2001 09:05:48 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C15233.EB0BBFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would not consider it as the GRS is 58. Not a CANSLIM stock because of that and the poor EPS. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Andy Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:48 AM I have been eyeing this one.... Nice u shaped chart with handle on lower volume and drifting down. 6 - 7 week long base (so far). Nice earnings and sales growth. A little light on the EPS (75). Ranked second behind APOL on investors.com stock checkup. RS is near (not at) new high. Nice annual earnings growth. There were some pretty big distribution days in first part of base. I see that the U/D vol ratio is at .7 . Is this enough to encourage someone to stay away? It did just have a stock split which the Wade Cook Disciples should love!! ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C15233.EB0BBFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I would not consider it as the GRS is 58. Not a CANSLIM = stock=20 because of that and the poor = EPS.

  -----Original=20 Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Andy=20 Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:48 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM]=20 CECO

I have been eyeing this one....
 
Nice u shaped chart with handle on lower volume = and drifting=20 down.  6 - 7 week long base (so far).  Nice earnings and = sales=20 growth.  A little light on the EPS (75).  Ranked second = behind APOL=20 on investors.com stock checkup.
 
RS is near (not at) new high.  Nice annual = earnings=20 growth.
 
There were some pretty big distribution days in = first part=20 of base.  I see that the U/D vol ratio is at .7 .   Is = this=20 enough to encourage someone to stay away?
 
It did just have a stock split which the Wade Cook = Disciples=20 should love!!
------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C15233.EB0BBFB0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Johnson" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CECO Date: 11 Oct 2001 12:10:47 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C1524D.C29B4680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThanks for the reply Tim. DGO shows CECO with a "B" rating for Industry Group RS with a Group RS = of 71. I hope I am not in trouble here. If this is true, does it change your opinion?? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CECO I would not consider it as the GRS is 58. Not a CANSLIM stock because = of that and the poor EPS. -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Andy Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:48 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] CECO I have been eyeing this one.... Nice u shaped chart with handle on lower volume and drifting down. = 6 - 7 week long base (so far). Nice earnings and sales growth. A = little light on the EPS (75). Ranked second behind APOL on = investors.com stock checkup. RS is near (not at) new high. Nice annual earnings growth. There were some pretty big distribution days in first part of base. = I see that the U/D vol ratio is at .7 . Is this enough to encourage = someone to stay away? It did just have a stock split which the Wade Cook Disciples should = love!! ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C1524D.C29B4680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks for the reply Tim.
 
DGO shows CECO with a "B" rating for Industry Group = RS with a=20 Group RS of 71.  I hope I am not in trouble here.
 
If this is true, does it change your = opinion??
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 12:05=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = CECO

I would not consider it as the GRS is 58. Not a = CANSLIM stock=20 because of that and the poor=20 EPS.

  -----Original=20 Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Andy=20 Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:48 = AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] CECO

I have been eyeing this one....
 
Nice u shaped chart with handle on lower volume = and=20 drifting down.  6 - 7 week long base (so far).  Nice = earnings and=20 sales growth.  A little light on the EPS (75).  Ranked = second=20 behind APOL on investors.com stock checkup.
 
RS is near (not at) new high.  Nice annual = earnings=20 growth.
 
There were some pretty big distribution days in = first part=20 of base.  I see that the U/D vol ratio is at .7 .   = Is this=20 enough to encourage someone to stay away?
 
It did just have a stock split which the Wade = Cook=20 Disciples should = love!!
------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C1524D.C29B4680-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] Tuition Date: 11 Oct 2001 12:18:43 -0700 I made another tuition payment today by getting stopped out of EASI which has dropped like a stone since I got in. I probably did the same on BVF but am still in that one. I found the article in IBD Investors Corner interesting today. In IBD it states not to jump in if a stock is extended 5 to 10 percent. Of course the key here is to know where to start counting that percent from. The hard part for me is to figure out the entry point because I have trouble finding the pivot point. I suspect I am not alone in this one. A few stocks were mentioned today CYTC looks excellent if you consider the cup starting from a base at the end of August till the present which would make the current position look like a handle, the volume is begining to subside (I think). OTOH it looks also like it already passed the 52 week high which was on Oct 8 and could not proceed from there. This is similar to what happened to me on EASI, that is not to say CYTC wont work. I guess I am wanting to draw out some comments on it. KKD confuses me as does BRO. It seems to me the key to this is to know where to enter a trade. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 11 Oct 2001 09:25:34 -0700 Well this is it, registered for 50 mln. secondary and I'm outta here. So long AHMH, it's been a wild ride! Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CECO Date: 11 Oct 2001 09:26:18 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C15236.C857E680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, I don't consider stocks less than 80/80/80... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Andy Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 9:11 AM Thanks for the reply Tim. DGO shows CECO with a "B" rating for Industry Group RS with a Group RS of 71. I hope I am not in trouble here. If this is true, does it change your opinion?? ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C15236.C857E680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Nope,=20 I don't consider stocks less than 80/80/80...
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On=20 Behalf Of Andy Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 = 9:11=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 CECO

Thanks for the reply Tim.
 
DGO shows CECO with a "B" rating for Industry = Group RS with=20 a Group RS of 71.  I hope I am not in trouble here.
 
If this is true, does it change your=20 opinion??
------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C15236.C857E680-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tuition Date: 11 Oct 2001 09:27:25 -0700 BRO also confuses me, I'd like to see some chart analysis if someone has the time... |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles |Cangialosi |Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:19 PM |To: Canslim |Subject: [CANSLIM] Tuition | | | | I made another tuition payment today by getting stopped |out of EASI which has dropped like a stone since I got in. I |probably did the same on BVF but am still in that one. | I found the article in IBD Investors Corner interesting |today. In IBD it states not to jump in if a stock is extended |5 to 10 percent. Of course the key here is to know where to |start counting that percent from. The hard part for me is to |figure out the entry point because I have trouble finding the |pivot point. I suspect I am not alone in this one. | A few stocks were mentioned today CYTC looks excellent |if you consider the cup starting from a base at the end of |August till the present which would make the current position |look like a handle, the volume is begining to subside (I |think). OTOH it looks also like it already passed the 52 week |high which was on Oct 8 and could not proceed from there. This |is similar to what happened to me on EASI, that is not to say |CYTC wont work. I guess I am wanting to draw out some comments on it. | KKD confuses me as does BRO. | It seems to me the key to this is to know where to |enter a trade. | |Charlie | Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tuition Date: 11 Oct 2001 12:38:00 -0600 I don't think I can offer any brilliant analysis. Without knowing anything about the company, judging by its action after the market reopened, I am assuming it is in a business that benefits from actions the government or airlines have taken since the attacks (security of some sort?). It formed a nice flag after the 3+ point spike, that would have been a good short term trade. Right now it looks extended and only suitable for someone interested in short term trading, I don't see it forming any recognizable pattern at this point. I think the fact that it is confusing is probably analysis enough, stay away from it.... On 11 Oct 01, at 9:27, Tim Fisher wrote: > BRO also confuses me, I'd like to see some chart analysis if someone has > the time... > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles > |Cangialosi > |Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:19 PM > |To: Canslim > |Subject: [CANSLIM] Tuition > | > | > | > | I made another tuition payment today by getting stopped > |out of EASI which has dropped like a stone since I got in. I > |probably did the same on BVF but am still in that one. > | I found the article in IBD Investors Corner interesting > |today. In IBD it states not to jump in if a stock is extended > |5 to 10 percent. Of course the key here is to know where to > |start counting that percent from. The hard part for me is to > |figure out the entry point because I have trouble finding the > |pivot point. I suspect I am not alone in this one. > | A few stocks were mentioned today CYTC looks excellent > |if you consider the cup starting from a base at the end of > |August till the present which would make the current position > |look like a handle, the volume is begining to subside (I > |think). OTOH it looks also like it already passed the 52 week > |high which was on Oct 8 and could not proceed from there. This > |is similar to what happened to me on EASI, that is not to say > |CYTC wont work. I guess I am wanting to draw out some comments on it. > | KKD confuses me as does BRO. > | It seems to me the key to this is to know where to > |enter a trade. > | > |Charlie > | > > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kruger Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 11 Oct 2001 13:56:20 -0700 (PDT) I didn't see a reply, so let me guess that the site Tim had in mind is: http://iw.thomsonfn.com/ and a sample of the kind of information he was talking about is: http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?ticker=CSCO It is not simple information to digest, so it takes a bit of study. Also it has been pointed out that many big trades will escape their notice so that the chart may be misleading. John --- Ann wrote: > Can you send that site? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Fisher" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH > > > : That's why I said it was a stop sweep. There is a site (have the > URL at > : work) that reports institutional buying/selling based on ticker > indicators. > : They were buying huge lots on the dips esp at the close. > : > : At 08:13 PM 10/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: > : >Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume on upticks - > volume > : >on downticks) today. That's significantly higher than yesterday > : >(+35,000) even though the price was down significantly today and > up > : >significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in the face > of a > : >general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the current > price > : >may be good support. > : > > : >David > : > > : > > : >- > : >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > : >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > : >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > : > : Tim Fisher > : Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > : Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > : mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > : WWW http://OreRockOn.com > : > : > : - > : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > : > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Current Holdings Date: 11 Oct 2001 17:39:51 EDT --part1_6a.14be0bca.28f76ba7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you that might be interested in one canslimish type investor's holdings, (I say canslimish because as you can see some do not meet the canslim criteria). MYL 90/92 AAB (many new generic drugs hitting shelves soon) RMCI 89/99 CAA (should do well with many companies laying off personnel) FTO 80/99 AAA (Check out those earning and PE) VLO 80/71 AAE (ditto as above) KDE 50/93 BBE (many new products hitting stores soon) KRSL ??/?? ( This is one very thin puppy, I should be running from this one??) Also watching SRZ, and just watching it get away). Chris --part1_6a.14be0bca.28f76ba7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you that might be interested in one canslimish type investor's holdings, (I say canslimish because as you can see some do not meet the canslim criteria).

MYL 90/92 AAB (many new generic drugs hitting shelves soon)

RMCI 89/99 CAA (should do well with many companies laying off personnel)

FTO 80/99 AAA (Check out those earning and PE)

VLO 80/71 AAE (ditto as above)

KDE 50/93 BBE (many new products hitting stores soon)

KRSL ??/?? ( This is one very thin puppy, I should be running from this one??)

Also watching SRZ, and just watching it get away).

Chris --part1_6a.14be0bca.28f76ba7_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CECO Date: 11 Oct 2001 16:03:50 -0600 I think you bring up some valid concerns on this one, and I would agree with those concerns. I would also be concerned about the chart, with the last few days not really looking like the handle you would hope for. I think there are stronger candidates out there overall. At 11:48 AM 10/11/01 -0400, you wrote: > I have been eyeing this one.... Ranked second behind APOL on >investors.com stock checkup. Nice annual earnings growth. Is >this enough to encourage someone to stay away? It did just have a stock >split which the Wade Cook Disciples should love!! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF Date: 11 Oct 2001 18:44:51 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C15284.D0047BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No argument, Patrick, I just take a more conservative view since I have = seen many stocks that did not correct so severely, or correct at all. You can also turn this around from your argument and say you were not = buying an extended stock if you bought one of the defense stocks that = gapped up 40-50% when we resumed trading. It was the same news event = that broke many of them out of a downtrend or a prior base. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Wahl=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF On 10 Oct 01, at 21:20, Tom Worley wrote: > On BVF, however, I did not consider the base that occurred prior > to the 9/11 attacks since the stock corrected so deeply. I only > look at the period since then as a result, and see no basing > formation whatsoever, just a stock that has moved ten points in > three weeks. That's extended, without a base to support it, in my > book.=20 I don't know what the correct answer is, but BVF only corrected=20 with the market during an extremely severe, news induced general=20 market sell off, that is, the BVF sell off was not related to any news = on the company, and it has quickly returned to the level of the base=20 that formed in August, so I think you could make a good case that=20 it formed a solid base between 44 and 48, with a short lived,=20 market induced dip out of that range and an immediate recovery=20 back to the level of the base. So I guess I would argue the base=20 remained in tact, and it did have something of a breakout. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C15284.D0047BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No argument, Patrick, I just take a more = conservative view=20 since I have seen many stocks that did not correct so severely, or = correct at=20 all.
 
You can also turn this around from your argument and = say you=20 were not buying an extended stock if you bought one of the defense = stocks that=20 gapped up 40-50% when we resumed trading. It was the same news event = that broke=20 many of them out of a downtrend or a prior base.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrick = Wahl=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 10:19=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = BVF



On 10 Oct 01, at 21:20, Tom Worley=20 wrote:


> On BVF, however, I did not consider the base = that=20 occurred prior
> to the 9/11 attacks since the stock corrected = so=20 deeply. I only
> look at the period since then as a result, and = see no=20 basing
> formation whatsoever, just a stock that has moved ten = points=20 in
> three weeks. That's extended, without a base to support it, = in=20 my
> book.

I don't know what the correct answer is, but = BVF only=20 corrected
with the market during an extremely severe, news induced = general=20
market sell off, that is, the BVF sell off was not related to any = news=20
on the company, and it has quickly returned to the level of the = base=20
that formed in August, so I think you could make a good case that =
it=20 formed a solid base between 44 and 48, with a short lived,
market = induced=20 dip out of that range and an immediate recovery
back to the level = of the=20 base.  So I guess I would argue the base
remained in tact, = and it did=20 have something of a breakout.

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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C15284.D0047BC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CECO Date: 11 Oct 2001 18:57:07 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C15286.8648D560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice cup formed, altho volume on right side well below that of the left = side. Handle forming, volume drying up. Up/down ratio of 0.7 is about = what I would expect as the volume drys up. No one mentioned funds already own 30% of the float, and the float is = nearly equal to the issue as management only has a 3% stake. Both of = those details would scare me off faster than the GRS of 71. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: esetser=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CECO I think you bring up some valid concerns on this one, and I would = agree with those concerns. I would also be concerned about the chart, with = the last few days not really looking like the handle you would hope for. = I think there are stronger candidates out there overall. At 11:48 AM 10/11/01 -0400, you wrote: > I have been eyeing this one.... Ranked second behind APOL = on=20 >investors.com stock checkup. Nice annual earnings growth. = Is >this enough to encourage someone to stay away? It did just have a = stock >split which the Wade Cook Disciples should love!!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C15286.8648D560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice cup formed, altho volume on right side well = below that of=20 the left side. Handle forming, volume drying up. Up/down ratio of 0.7 is = about=20 what I would expect as the volume drys up.
 
No one mentioned funds already own 30% of the float, = and the=20 float is nearly equal to the issue as management only has a 3% stake. = Both of=20 those details would scare me off faster than the GRS of 71.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 esetser
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 6:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = CECO

I think you bring up some valid concerns on this one, = and I=20 would agree
with those concerns.  I would also be concerned = about the=20 chart, with the
last few days not really looking like the handle = you would=20 hope for.  I
think there are stronger candidates out there=20 overall.

At 11:48 AM 10/11/01 -0400, you = wrote:
>   I=20 have been eyeing this = one....        Ranked=20 second behind APOL on
>investors.com stock=20 checkup.     Nice annual earnings =20 growth.       Is
>this = enough  to=20 encourage someone to stay away?   It did just have a=20 stock
>split which the Wade Cook Disciples  should love!!=20

------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C15286.8648D560-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tuition Date: 11 Oct 2001 19:04:09 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C15287.823D42C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Patrick, It markets property and casualty insurance to professional, commercial = and individual clients. I see a cup from 8/1 to 9/24, followed by a short handle for the rest of = that week and a b/o on 9/28 on double ADV. Presently I see it trying to = consolidate those gains. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Wahl=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tuition I don't think I can offer any brilliant analysis. Without knowing=20 anything about the company, judging by its action after the market=20 reopened, I am assuming it is in a business that benefits from=20 actions the government or airlines have taken since the attacks=20 (security of some sort?). It formed a nice flag after the 3+ point=20 spike, that would have been a good short term trade. Right now it=20 looks extended and only suitable for someone interested in short=20 term trading, I don't see it forming any recognizable pattern at this=20 point. I think the fact that it is confusing is probably analysis=20 enough, stay away from it.... On 11 Oct 01, at 9:27, Tim Fisher wrote: > BRO also confuses me, I'd like to see some chart analysis if someone = has > the time... >=20 > |-----Original Message----- > |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 > |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles=20 > |Cangialosi > |Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:19 PM > |To: Canslim > |Subject: [CANSLIM] Tuition > | > | > | > | I made another tuition payment today by getting stopped=20 > |out of EASI which has dropped like a stone since I got in. I=20 > |probably did the same on BVF but am still in that one. > | I found the article in IBD Investors Corner interesting=20 > |today. In IBD it states not to jump in if a stock is extended=20 > |5 to 10 percent. Of course the key here is to know where to=20 > |start counting that percent from. The hard part for me is to=20 > |figure out the entry point because I have trouble finding the=20 > |pivot point. I suspect I am not alone in this one. > | A few stocks were mentioned today CYTC looks excellent=20 > |if you consider the cup starting from a base at the end of=20 > |August till the present which would make the current position=20 > |look like a handle, the volume is begining to subside (I=20 > |think). OTOH it looks also like it already passed the 52 week=20 > |high which was on Oct 8 and could not proceed from there. This=20 > |is similar to what happened to me on EASI, that is not to say=20 > |CYTC wont work. I guess I am wanting to draw out some comments on = it. > | KKD confuses me as does BRO. > | It seems to me the key to this is to know where to=20 > |enter a trade. > | > |Charlie > | >=20 > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com >=20 >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C15287.823D42C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Patrick,
 
It markets property and casualty insurance to = professional,=20 commercial and individual clients.
 
I see a cup from 8/1 to 9/24, followed by a short = handle for=20 the rest of that week and a b/o on 9/28 on double ADV. Presently I see = it trying=20 to consolidate those gains.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Patrick = Wahl=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 2:38=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Tuition

I don't think I can offer any brilliant analysis.  = Without=20 knowing
anything about the company, judging by its action after = the market=20
reopened, I am assuming it is in a business that benefits from =
actions=20 the government or airlines have taken since the attacks
(security = of some=20 sort?).  It formed a nice flag after the 3+ point
spike, that = would=20 have been a good short term trade.  Right now it
looks = extended and=20 only suitable for someone interested in short
term trading, I = don't see it=20 forming any recognizable pattern at this
point.  I think the = fact=20 that it is confusing is probably analysis
enough, stay away from=20 it....

On 11 Oct 01, at 9:27, Tim Fisher wrote:

> BRO = also=20 confuses me, I'd like to see some chart analysis if someone = has
> the=20 time...
>
> |-----Original Message-----
> |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20
> |[mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Charles
> |Cangialosi
> |Sent: Thursday, = October 11,=20 2001 12:19 PM
> |To: Canslim
> |Subject: [CANSLIM] = Tuition
>=20 |
> |
> |
> | I made another tuition payment today = by=20 getting stopped
> |out of EASI which has dropped like a stone = since I=20 got in. I
> |probably did the same on BVF but am still in that=20 one.
> | I found the article in IBD Investors Corner interesting =
> |today. In IBD it states not to jump in if a stock is = extended=20
> |5 to 10 percent. Of course the key here is to know  = where to=20
> |start counting that percent from. The hard part for me is to =
> |figure out the entry point because I have trouble finding = the=20
> |pivot point. I suspect I am not alone in this one.
> | = A few=20 stocks were mentioned today CYTC looks excellent
> |if you = consider the=20 cup starting from a base at the end of
> |August till the = present which=20 would make the current position
> |look like a handle, the = volume is=20 begining to subside (I
> |think). OTOH it  looks also like = it=20 already passed the 52 week
> |high which was on Oct 8 and could = not=20 proceed from there. This
> |is similar to what happened to me = on EASI,=20 that is not to say
> |CYTC wont work. I guess I am wanting to = draw out=20 some comments on it.
> | KKD confuses me as does BRO.
> | = It seems=20 to me the key to this is to know where to
> |enter a = trade.
>=20 |
> |Charlie
> |
>
> Tim Fisher
> = OreRockOn -=20 Oregon Rockhounds Online
> Tim@OreRockOn.com
> http://OreRockOn.com
> =
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C15287.823D42C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT, BRO Date: 11 Oct 2001 19:19:49 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C15289.B2739140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CPRT gapped up, did good volume, then closed in the low end of the day's = range. Lacks conviction, to me, that the b/o will hold. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 11:10 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] CPRT, BRO I'm surprised no one is mentioning the CPRT breakout from the high handle/flag/whatever today. Great volume, legit B/O from a somewhat questionable base. Also watching BRO today, they surprise announced (said they would do it after the market closed and then did it at 10AM NYT). =20 Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C15289.B2739140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
CPRT gapped up, did good volume, then closed in the = low end of=20 the day's range. Lacks conviction, to me, that the b/o will = hold.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: Canslim
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 11:10=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] CPRT, = BRO

I'm surprised no one is mentioning the CPRT breakout = from the=20 high
handle/flag/whatever today. Great volume, legit B/O from a=20 somewhat
questionable base. Also watching BRO today, they surprise=20 announced
(said they would do it after the market closed and then = did it at=20 10AM
NYT). 

Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon = Rockhounds=20 Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com



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------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C15289.B2739140-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 11 Oct 2001 19:17:18 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C15289.586CB140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The biggest difference between stop orders on Naz stocks, and on listed = securities, is that the Naz orders are spread around 10 or 15 different = firms, and they cannot see each other's book, while the stop orders on a = listed security all flow to the same floor specialist, and they see all = of them. I recall some years ago that most of the brokers where I worked all = started throwing in stop loss orders on a NYSE stock. Since we were all = CANSLIMers back then, most of the orders were at or about the same stop = price (we were all looking at the same DG chart, and sharing opinions), = and all were then market orders once hit. In all, I entered 20 or more = orders in a matter of minutes for about 25,000 shares. Within a few minutes, nothing but sells were trading, and the bid = dropped quickly to our stop price. Immediately upon trading there, the = bid dropped nearly 3 points without a trade, all our orders were = executed there (which was the low of the day), and almost immediately = the bid moved back up those 3 points plus nearly another point, again = with virtually no trading. Quite clearly, the specialist saw the volume = of stop loss orders and pulled the rug out from under the bid to trigger = them and get cheap stock. He made a killing. That is one of the reasons I never use a stop loss on a listed security, = only a stop limit.=20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Spencer48@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Tom:=20 What do you mean by "...slamming the bid" and "...to drive it = through=20 known stop loss orders"? jans In a message dated 10/10/2001 11:39:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 stkguru@netside.net writes: << Ann, recognize that there is a significant degree of paranoia among = investors regarding MM (market makers) on the NASDAQ. But in reality = there is=20 little difference between MM on Naz, and the floor specialist on NYSE = or=20 AMEX, except that the floor specialist can see all orders. With the = influx of=20 day traders with Level Two machines, visibility is no longer as major = an=20 issue.=20 =20 All a market maker really is is a day trader. He's trying to make = money for=20 his firm playing the spread, and the momentum. That's his job, and = it's=20 important he not be caught on the wrong side of momentum. While it is=20 certainly possible for a MM to manipulate the market, especially on = thinly=20 traded issues, it's generally not that easy as one MM is in direct=20 competition with other MMers, as well as sizable day traders. The = reality is=20 that many MMers are looking at the same information and data, and = respond=20 similarly. Thus, it is not unusual for a collective group of MMers to = drive=20 the price lower, all because they are playing the same negative = momentum=20 lower. Market makers do not necessarily want to end the day with = inventory.=20 More often then want to finish out the day flat on inventory, and able = to=20 calculate their daily gains or losses accordingly. Since market makers = must=20 mark to market any long or short position, it is far more advantageous = to=20 only be in cash at the end of the day. =20 Certainly, I have seen indirect evidence of a MMer slamming the bid = to drive=20 it thru some known stop loss orders. On the other hand, no one MMer = knows=20 what another is prepared to do. Accumulation at any price is almost = always=20 good, as it creates support at that price. But that is only a = temporary=20 support, good only so long as the buyer is willing to take in shares. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C15289.586CB140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The biggest difference between stop orders on Naz = stocks, and=20 on listed securities, is that the Naz orders are spread around 10 or 15=20 different firms, and they cannot see each other's book, while the stop = orders on=20 a listed security all flow to the same floor specialist, and they see = all of=20 them.
 
I recall some years ago that most of the brokers = where I=20 worked all started throwing in stop loss orders on a NYSE stock. Since = we were=20 all CANSLIMers back then, most of the orders were at or about the same = stop=20 price (we were all looking at the same DG chart, and sharing opinions), = and all=20 were then market orders once hit. In all, I entered 20 or more orders in = a=20 matter of minutes for about 25,000 shares.
 
Within a few minutes, nothing but sells were = trading, and the=20 bid dropped quickly to our stop price. Immediately upon trading there, = the bid=20 dropped nearly 3 points without a trade, all our orders were executed = there=20 (which was the low of the day), and almost immediately the bid moved = back up=20 those 3 points plus nearly another point, again with virtually no = trading. Quite=20 clearly, the specialist saw the volume of stop loss orders and pulled = the rug=20 out from under the bid to trigger them and get cheap stock. He made a=20 killing.
 
That is one of the reasons I never use a stop loss = on a listed=20 security, only a stop limit.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Spencer48@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 12:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = AHMH

Tom:

     What do you mean = by=20 "...slamming the bid" and "...to drive it through
known stop loss=20 orders"?

jans


In a message dated 10/10/2001 11:39:23 = PM=20 Eastern Daylight Time,
stkguru@netside.net=20 writes:

<< Ann, recognize that there is a significant = degree of=20 paranoia among
investors regarding MM (market makers) on the = NASDAQ. But=20 in reality there is
little difference between MM on Naz, and the = floor=20 specialist on NYSE or
AMEX, except that the floor specialist can = see all=20 orders. With the influx of
day traders with Level Two machines, = visibility=20 is no longer as major an
issue.
 
 All a market = maker=20 really is is a day trader. He's trying to make money for
his firm = playing=20 the spread, and the momentum. That's his job, and it's
important = he not be=20 caught on the wrong side of momentum. While it is
certainly = possible for a=20 MM to manipulate the market, especially on thinly
traded issues, = it's=20 generally not that easy as one MM is in direct
competition with = other=20 MMers, as well as sizable day traders. The reality is
that many = MMers are=20 looking at the same information and data, and respond
similarly. = Thus, it=20 is not unusual for a collective group of MMers to drive
the price = lower,=20 all because they are playing the same negative momentum
lower. = Market=20 makers do not necessarily want to end the day with inventory.
More = often=20 then want to finish out the day flat on inventory, and able to =
calculate=20 their daily gains or losses accordingly. Since market makers must =
mark to=20 market any long or short position, it is far more advantageous to =
only be=20 in cash at the end of the day.
 
 Certainly, I have = seen=20 indirect evidence of a MMer slamming the bid to drive
it thru some = known=20 stop loss orders. On the other hand, no one MMer knows
what = another is=20 prepared to do. Accumulation at any price is almost always
good, = as it=20 creates support at that price. But that is only a temporary =
support, good=20 only so long as the buyer is willing to take in shares.
 =20 >>

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------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C15289.586CB140-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Holdings Date: 11 Oct 2001 19:25:14 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C1528A.743242E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KDE has substantial declines in both earnings and sales for three = quarters now, and the EPS of 50 reflects that. I would not consider that = a good candidate. Rest all look interesting. Earnings expected to = decline 58% this year. Only one I know is KRSL, got it in my VR fund, now up 16%. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Current Holdings For those of you that might be interested in one canslimish type = investor's holdings, (I say canslimish because as you can see some do = not meet the canslim criteria).=20 MYL 90/92 AAB (many new generic drugs hitting shelves soon)=20 RMCI 89/99 CAA (should do well with many companies laying off = personnel)=20 FTO 80/99 AAA (Check out those earning and PE)=20 VLO 80/71 AAE (ditto as above)=20 KDE 50/93 BBE (many new products hitting stores soon)=20 KRSL ??/?? ( This is one very thin puppy, I should be running from = this one??)=20 Also watching SRZ, and just watching it get away).=20 Chris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C1528A.743242E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
KDE has substantial declines in both earnings and = sales for=20 three quarters now, and the EPS of 50 reflects that. I would not = consider that a=20 good candidate. Rest all look interesting. Earnings expected to decline = 58% this=20 year.
 
Only one I know is KRSL, got it in my VR fund, now = up=20 16%.
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 5:39=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Current = Holdings

For those = of you that=20 might be interested in one canslimish type investor's holdings, (I say = canslimish because as you can see some do not meet the canslim = criteria).=20

MYL 90/92 AAB (many new generic drugs hitting shelves soon)=20

RMCI 89/99 CAA (should do well with many companies laying off=20 personnel)

FTO 80/99 AAA (Check out those earning and PE) =

VLO=20 80/71 AAE (ditto as above)

KDE 50/93 BBE (many new products = hitting=20 stores soon)

KRSL ??/?? ( This is one very thin puppy, I = should be=20 running from this one??)

Also watching SRZ, and just watching = it get=20 away).

Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C1528A.743242E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tuition Date: 11 Oct 2001 17:38:26 -0600 Here's my take on these stocks, hopefully from a CANSLIM perspective. Maybe my pivots will be helpful: EASI - Came out of a 6 week cup base on 9/21. (Note that WON recommends a minimum of 7-8 weeks, so this was a little short.) For cup bases, I use 13 cents above the previous high, so I would have set the pivot at 47.34. I also try to never buy more than 5% from the pivot, so my maximum entry price would have been 49.71. Given an entry at the highest price, the 8% sell price would have been 45.73, so I would have been forced to sell almost immediately. A better entry at the pivot would have given you more room, and you could have held until today's carnage. Either way, it is likely this one would have kicked you out. BVF - (Note, I also bot this one.) This one came out of a 10 week cup base, or maybe a cup with short handle. Either way I made the pivot at 48.58. The breakout was questionable due to only a 30% or so volume increase. I decided this was acceptable based on the psuedo-holiday status of Monday. Since then, the stock pulled back below the pivot on heavy volume on Tuesday, but has moved up with the market the last two days, and is holding above the pivot at this point. This one could go either way (duh!!), but I have seen quite a few stocks stall within a few percent of the pivot. If it can hold that level over a few days, I have seen many of these jump higher a few days or weeks later, so time will tell. I'm hanging in there for now. CYTC - I think I've addressed this with other posts, but this seems to be a good example of a "high handle". This is a situation where the stock moves above the 52 week high, but pulls back into a handle formation almost immediately. I make the pivot at 29.06. KKD - This one could me considered either a cup (pivot at 43.63) or a cup with a very short 3 day handle (pivot 36.38). In the cup with handle case, the stock has broken the pivot, but the volume increase is suspect so far, so I would be careful with this one. The handle is also pretty low in the overall cup, and that increases the odds of failure. Overall, I would rather see another handle form further up the cup and the breakout with higher volume before I get interested. BRO - I considered BRO an 8 week cup with a pivot at 50.82. I didn't buy it since I was waiting further confirmation of the bottom, but it has moved on up nicely. I consider it extended at this point (over 5% above the pivot). I would guess others here would have slightly different views on some of these, but maybe this will give you an idea of what you should be looking for. At 12:18 PM 10/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > > I made another tuition payment today by getting stopped out of EASI which >has dropped like a stone since I got in. I probably did the same on BVF but >am still in that one. > I found the article in IBD Investors Corner interesting today. In IBD it >states not to jump in if a stock is extended 5 to 10 percent. Of course the >key here is to know where to start counting that percent from. The hard >part for me is to figure out the entry point because I have trouble finding >the pivot point. I suspect I am not alone in this one. > A few stocks were mentioned today CYTC looks excellent if you consider the >cup starting from a base at the end of August till the present which would >make the current position look like a handle, the volume is begining to >subside (I think). OTOH it looks also like it already passed the 52 week >high which was on Oct 8 and could not proceed from there. This is similar to >what happened to me on EASI, that is not to say CYTC wont work. I guess I am >wanting to draw out some comments on it. > KKD confuses me as does BRO. > It seems to me the key to this is to know where to enter a trade. > >Charlie > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Surindra" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] EPIQ was CECO Date: 11 Oct 2001 20:18:03 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C15291.D4CB18A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom: You got a great pick, EPIQ! Regards Surindra -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:57 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CECO Nice cup formed, altho volume on right side well below that of the left side. Handle forming, volume drying up. Up/down ratio of 0.7 is about what I would expect as the volume drys up. No one mentioned funds already own 30% of the float, and the float is nearly equal to the issue as management only has a 3% stake. Both of those details would scare me off faster than the GRS of 71. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- From: esetser To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CECO I think you bring up some valid concerns on this one, and I would agree with those concerns. I would also be concerned about the chart, with the last few days not really looking like the handle you would hope for. I think there are stronger candidates out there overall. At 11:48 AM 10/11/01 -0400, you wrote: > I have been eyeing this one.... Ranked second behind APOL on >investors.com stock checkup. Nice annual earnings growth. Is >this enough to encourage someone to stay away? It did just have a stock >split which the Wade Cook Disciples should love!! ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C15291.D4CB18A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom:
 
You got a great pick, = EPIQ!
 
Regards
 
Surindra
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:57 = PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 CECO

Nice cup formed, altho volume on right side well = below that=20 of the left side. Handle forming, volume drying up. Up/down ratio of = 0.7 is=20 about what I would expect as the volume drys up.
 
No one mentioned funds already own 30% of the = float, and the=20 float is nearly equal to the issue as management only has a 3% stake. = Both of=20 those details would scare me off faster than the GRS of = 71.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 esetser=20
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 6:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = CECO

I think you bring up some valid concerns on this one, = and I=20 would agree
with those concerns.  I would also be concerned = about=20 the chart, with the
last few days not really looking like the = handle you=20 would hope for.  I
think there are stronger candidates out = there=20 overall.

At 11:48 AM 10/11/01 -0400, you = wrote:
>   I=20 have been eyeing this = one....       =20 Ranked second behind APOL on
>investors.com stock=20 checkup.     Nice annual earnings =20 growth.       Is
>this = enough  to=20 encourage someone to stay away?   It did just have a=20 stock
>split which the Wade Cook Disciples  should love!! =

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C15291.D4CB18A0-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ (was CECO) Date: 11 Oct 2001 21:07:08 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C15298.B081FCA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And it just announced a cash acquisition today, which it also expects to = close today, for $12 million cash, of Comerica's bankruptcy trustee = software business, which they already support. Takes out their 3rd = largest competitor, and should move them ahead of their other major = competitor (J. P. Morgan Chase) in market share to probably close to = 40%. I told you bankruptcy is a solid growth industry!! I still expect = JPM to cave in and sell out, they are losing business to them, might as = well sell it as lose it for nothing. And they should still have enough cash left over for a similar sized = acquisition, with money left over after that. I only wish I had the free = cash to own more. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Surindra=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] EPIQ was CECO Tom: =20 You got a great pick, EPIQ! =20 Regards =20 Surindra ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C15298.B081FCA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And it just announced a cash acquisition today, = which it also=20 expects to close today, for $12 million cash, of Comerica's bankruptcy = trustee=20 software business, which they already support. Takes out their 3rd = largest=20 competitor, and should move them ahead of their other major competitor = (J. P.=20 Morgan Chase) in market share to probably close to 40%. I told you = bankruptcy is=20 a solid growth industry!! I still expect JPM to cave in and sell out, = they are=20 losing business to them, might as well sell it as lose it for=20 nothing.
 
And they should still have enough cash left over for = a similar=20 sized acquisition, with money left over after that. I only wish I had = the free=20 cash to own more.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Surindra=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 8:18=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] EPIQ was = CECO

Tom:
 
You got a great pick, = EPIQ!
 
Regards
 
Surindra
 
------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C15298.B081FCA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Current Holdings Date: 11 Oct 2001 20:11:22 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C15290.E56786E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some random comments: I triple starred KRSL in my notebook on 10/02 - awesome numbers. Given = the illiquidity, I would have been happier getting in around $5, but I = am watching it and would buy in if there is a steady and sustained = increase in volume. I find it odd that RMCI is running so hard when this is their seasonally = weak quarter, and the sequential earnings should be way down. That = admission made the stock go from $29 to $19 on July 23rd.=20 MYL has had unusually light volume on its 3 week run from $29 to $35 - = it would be nice to see a sustained increase in volume there, but I = suspect its sector alone can carry it higher. Thanks for publishing your list, Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Current Holdings For those of you that might be interested in one canslimish type = investor's holdings, (I say canslimish because as you can see some do = not meet the canslim criteria).=20 MYL 90/92 AAB (many new generic drugs hitting shelves soon)=20 RMCI 89/99 CAA (should do well with many companies laying off = personnel)=20 FTO 80/99 AAA (Check out those earning and PE)=20 VLO 80/71 AAE (ditto as above)=20 KDE 50/93 BBE (many new products hitting stores soon)=20 KRSL ??/?? ( This is one very thin puppy, I should be running from = this one??)=20 Also watching SRZ, and just watching it get away).=20 Chris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C15290.E56786E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Some random comments:
 
I triple starred KRSL in my notebook on 10/02 - = awesome=20 numbers. Given the illiquidity, I would have been happier getting in = around $5,=20 but I am watching it and would buy in if there is a steady and sustained = increase in volume.
 
I find it odd that RMCI is running so hard when this = is their=20 seasonally weak quarter, and the sequential earnings should be way down. = That=20 admission made the stock go from $29 to $19 on July 23rd.
 
MYL has had unusually light volume on its 3 week run = from $29=20 to $35 - it would be nice to see a sustained increase in volume there, = but I=20 suspect its sector alone can carry it higher.
 
Thanks for publishing your list,
 
Ian
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 11, = 2001 2:39=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Current = Holdings

For those = of you that=20 might be interested in one canslimish type investor's holdings, (I say = canslimish because as you can see some do not meet the canslim = criteria).=20

MYL 90/92 AAB (many new generic drugs hitting shelves soon)=20

RMCI 89/99 CAA (should do well with many companies laying off=20 personnel)

FTO 80/99 AAA (Check out those earning and PE) =

VLO=20 80/71 AAE (ditto as above)

KDE 50/93 BBE (many new products = hitting=20 stores soon)

KRSL ??/?? ( This is one very thin puppy, I = should be=20 running from this one??)

Also watching SRZ, and just watching = it get=20 away).

Chris ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C15290.E56786E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: [CANSLIM] [Non-Canslim] Market volumn and A/D comparisons Date: 11 Oct 2001 21:09:07 -0600 Can anyone here recommend a site that allows different comparisons of market data like up vol/down vol using different time periods ...like over a 5 day period. And also different time period indications of A/D for the different indices...10 day or 11 day? Or I suppose I can actually learn how to use excel and write the formulas and input the data manually every day. Thanks - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tuition Date: 12 Oct 2001 04:51:42 -0700 Esetser Thanks for the explanation, it is a help., Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 4:38 PM Here's my take on these stocks, hopefully from a CANSLIM perspective. Maybe my pivots will be helpful: EASI - Came out of a 6 week cup base on 9/21. (Note that WON recommends a minimum of 7-8 weeks, so this was a little short.) For cup bases, I use 13 cents above the previous high, so I would have set the pivot at 47.34. I also try to never buy more than 5% from the pivot, so my maximum entry price would have been 49.71. Given an entry at the highest price, the 8% sell price would have been 45.73, so I would have been forced to sell almost immediately. A better entry at the pivot would have given you more room, and you could have held until today's carnage. Either way, it is likely this one would have kicked you out. BVF - (Note, I also bot this one.) This one came out of a 10 week cup base, or maybe a cup with short handle. Either way I made the pivot at 48.58. The breakout was questionable due to only a 30% or so volume increase. I decided this was acceptable based on the psuedo-holiday status of Monday. Since then, the stock pulled back below the pivot on heavy volume on Tuesday, but has moved up with the market the last two days, and is holding above the pivot at this point. This one could go either way (duh!!), but I have seen quite a few stocks stall within a few percent of the pivot. If it can hold that level over a few days, I have seen many of these jump higher a few days or weeks later, so time will tell. I'm hanging in there for now. CYTC - I think I've addressed this with other posts, but this seems to be a good example of a "high handle". This is a situation where the stock moves above the 52 week high, but pulls back into a handle formation almost immediately. I make the pivot at 29.06. KKD - This one could me considered either a cup (pivot at 43.63) or a cup with a very short 3 day handle (pivot 36.38). In the cup with handle case, the stock has broken the pivot, but the volume increase is suspect so far, so I would be careful with this one. The handle is also pretty low in the overall cup, and that increases the odds of failure. Overall, I would rather see another handle form further up the cup and the breakout with higher volume before I get interested. BRO - I considered BRO an 8 week cup with a pivot at 50.82. I didn't buy it since I was waiting further confirmation of the bottom, but it has moved on up nicely. I consider it extended at this point (over 5% above the pivot). I would guess others here would have slightly different views on some of these, but maybe this will give you an idea of what you should be looking for. At 12:18 PM 10/11/01 -0700, you wrote: > > I made another tuition payment today by getting stopped out of EASI which >has dropped like a stone since I got in. I probably did the same on BVF but >am still in that one. > I found the article in IBD Investors Corner interesting today. In IBD it >states not to jump in if a stock is extended 5 to 10 percent. Of course the >key here is to know where to start counting that percent from. The hard >part for me is to figure out the entry point because I have trouble finding >the pivot point. I suspect I am not alone in this one. > A few stocks were mentioned today CYTC looks excellent if you consider the >cup starting from a base at the end of August till the present which would >make the current position look like a handle, the volume is begining to >subside (I think). OTOH it looks also like it already passed the 52 week >high which was on Oct 8 and could not proceed from there. This is similar to >what happened to me on EASI, that is not to say CYTC wont work. I guess I am >wanting to draw out some comments on it. > KKD confuses me as does BRO. > It seems to me the key to this is to know where to enter a trade. > >Charlie > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 12 Oct 2001 05:02:18 -0700 Looks like the 52 Week high or 36.00 was on 8/24, then a steady decline which bottoms out about 9/20 then a steady increase. If the last week is considered a handle we are now at 35.90, the volume confuses me a little because it is not really low for the past week. So if I am correct the pivot on this one is about 36.00 and the buy point is about 36.10 assuming good volume. What do you think? Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ should have been MYL Date: 12 Oct 2001 05:09:33 -0700 Sorry for the last post it was MYL, I was looking at two charts and picked up the wrong name. EPIQ looks about 7 percent past the pivot, the rules say 5 so I guess I will not chase. I get hammered every time I do. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 12 Oct 2001 09:44:04 -0400 USPH appears to be breaking out... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ, er actually MYL Date: 12 Oct 2001 09:34:48 -0600 The handle doesn't look like much to me on this one, so I would just use the 36 high to set the pivot. The base here is also pretty short, 6 or 7 weeks, so it is at the absolute minimum for CANSLIM. I would also be concerned about the run up to 37 intraday a few days ago, you might want to see the stock move up above that on good volume. At 05:02 AM 10/12/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Looks like the 52 Week high or 36.00 was on 8/24, then a steady decline >which bottoms out about 9/20 then a steady increase. If the last week is >considered a handle we are now at 35.90, the volume confuses me a little >because it is not really low for the past week. So if I am correct the pivot >on this one is about 36.00 and the buy point is about 36.10 assuming good >volume. >What do you think? > >Charlie > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ should have been MYL Date: 12 Oct 2001 09:38:14 -0600 One approach that has worked well for me at times it this - when a stock that you really like runs beyond the 5% limit, I put in a limit order at a price I'm comfortable with. Many times the stock will either "rest" a bit and drop on lower volume, or just have a couple of large sells that causes a quick dip. This way, you get in if the stock gives any chance at all. I wouldn't use this if the stock was well out of range, but if it's just a percentage point or two out of range, this can sometimes get you in at the levels you wanted. (This isn't a recommendation to do this on EPIQ, just a general note. EPIQ looks pretty low in the cup to me, so I'm waiting for further progress before considering it.) At 05:09 AM 10/12/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Sorry for the last post it was MYL, I was looking at two charts and picked >up the wrong name. >EPIQ looks about 7 percent past the pivot, the rules say 5 so I guess I will >not chase. I get hammered every time I do. > >Charlie > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 12 Oct 2001 09:06:22 -0700 Appears? (g) I've been watching this one too but was too slow on the trigger this morning. Did you get in? Perhaps a pull-back might bring it back into range. -Bill ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 6:44 AM > USPH appears to be breaking out... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 12 Oct 2001 12:04:25 -0400 Moved to quickly for me too. USPH has had its share of fakeouts before so there may well be a pullback. May buy a small position if it gets back under 18 today on low volume. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Triffet > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 12:06 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > Appears? (g) I've been watching this one too but was too slow > on the trigger > this morning. Did you get in? Perhaps a pull-back might bring > it back into > range. > > -Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 6:44 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > > USPH appears to be breaking out... > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward McDonough" Subject: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Date: 12 Oct 2001 13:26:30 -0400 M not looking good. Noone holding over weekend. So much for the Bear Rally. Get ready for the retest. Hug the Bear!!! Call me crazy Ed - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Chia Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Date: 13 Oct 2001 01:37:15 +0800 Crazy Surge in the Biometrics / Security and BioTech Sectors .... VISG, CPHD, etc The question is .. will it last? or will it go to unseen levels .... I got small positions in early with VISG Regards, Dennis At 01:26 PM 10/12/01 -0400, Edward McDonough wrote: >M not looking good. > >Noone holding over weekend. > >So much for the Bear Rally. > >Get ready for the retest. > >Hug the Bear!!! > >Call me crazy >Ed > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Date: 12 Oct 2001 11:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Whether it will last or not, we are pretty well accustomed to day trading for the past year trying to fit a square peg into a round hole (CANSLIM on a down market) Kent --- Dennis Chia wrote: > > Crazy Surge in the Biometrics / Security and BioTech > Sectors .... > VISG, CPHD, etc > > The question is .. will it last? or will it go to > unseen levels .... I got small > positions in early with VISG > > Regards, > Dennis > > > At 01:26 PM 10/12/01 -0400, Edward McDonough wrote: > >M not looking good. > > > >Noone holding over weekend. > > > >So much for the Bear Rally. > > > >Get ready for the retest. > > > >Hug the Bear!!! > > > >Call me crazy > >Ed > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Date: 12 Oct 2001 11:16:53 -0700 (PDT) After 2 weeks up, this is to be expected. Does not mean it is over yet. One day does not make a trend. Kent --- Edward McDonough wrote: > M not looking good. > > Noone holding over weekend. > > So much for the Bear Rally. > > Get ready for the retest. > > Hug the Bear!!! > > Call me crazy > Ed > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 12 Oct 2001 11:30:45 -0700 Call me crazy but - I put a limit order in at 18 and it filled. Given today's anthrax news it popped down with the market a bit. Still a bit extended from the pivot but I'll keep a close eye on it. -Bill ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:04 AM > Moved to quickly for me too. USPH has had its share of fakeouts before so > there may well be a pullback. May buy a small position if it gets back > under 18 today on low volume. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Bill Triffet > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 12:06 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > > > > Appears? (g) I've been watching this one too but was too slow > > on the trigger > > this morning. Did you get in? Perhaps a pull-back might bring > > it back into > > range. > > > > -Bill > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 6:44 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > > > > > USPH appears to be breaking out... > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 12 Oct 2001 08:22:08 -0700 Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the 50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I would not seriously consider it now. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 12 Oct 2001 13:17:26 -0600 I think we've been through this before, but WON gives a lot of latitude for deep cups during bear markets. From HTMMIS, "Coming out of a major bear market, some patterns that have decreased 50% to 60% or more can succeed." At 08:22 AM 10/12/01 -0700, you wrote: >Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of >the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is >no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the >50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I >would not seriously consider it now. > >Tim Fisher >OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online >Tim@OreRockOn.com >http://OreRockOn.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 12 Oct 2001 15:20:49 -0400 True, it's not a perfect base. But it firmly broke through a downtrend started at the high in mid-May. Personally I think the recent market activity allows for some flexibility when interpreting charts. It's as if 3 more months of a painful bear market was amplified and compressed into a week. Many stocks have put in V-shaped bottoms, so I think a "V with handle" base is somewhat valid under these circumstances. I also think many stocks corrected more than they might have if the market was allowed to run its true course. Given USPH's high ratings, and strength in a down market, I feel there is a good chance this breakout will hold. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:22 AM > To: Canslim > Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of > the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is > no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the > 50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. > I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I > would not seriously consider it now. > > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Date: 12 Oct 2001 18:32:42 -0400 I think the market did remarkably well today. Considering what happened in NY with new anthrax findings. DanF ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 2:16 PM > After 2 weeks up, this is to be expected. Does not > mean it is over yet. One day does not make a trend. > > Kent > > --- Edward McDonough wrote: > > M not looking good. > > > > Noone holding over weekend. > > > > So much for the Bear Rally. > > > > Get ready for the retest. > > > > Hug the Bear!!! > > > > Call me crazy > > Ed > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] EPIQ should have been MYL Date: 12 Oct 2001 18:43:48 -0700 In reviewing EPIQ it appears that if fell apart in mid June and has been going sideways since. Once it cleared the 50 dma in late September it has been working its way back up. I don't think I would want to do that now either. I have never used a limit order. I think I understand how it works. I had USPH on my spreadsheet of stocks I was watching. I added this one about 10 days ago and thought about 18.10 or so would be a good point to get in. When I checked it at work it was at 18.25 so I got in at that point, actually 18.24. After reviewing the chart tonight I am thinking that maybe I should have passed on this one. I noticed a few things I did not take into consideration before. E.G.: probably if there was a correct entry it should have been 17.30 or so. Also now I am questioning if it was a cwh at all only about 4 weeks. The learning curve is pretty steep. Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:38 AM One approach that has worked well for me at times it this - when a stock that you really like runs beyond the 5% limit, I put in a limit order at a price I'm comfortable with. Many times the stock will either "rest" a bit and drop on lower volume, or just have a couple of large sells that causes a quick dip. This way, you get in if the stock gives any chance at all. I wouldn't use this if the stock was well out of range, but if it's just a percentage point or two out of range, this can sometimes get you in at the levels you wanted. (This isn't a recommendation to do this on EPIQ, just a general note. EPIQ looks pretty low in the cup to me, so I'm waiting for further progress before considering it.) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Date: 12 Oct 2001 20:11:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C1535A.2672BBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, would you elaborate on why you say "M" is not looking good. So far, = October has been very good to me in both my IRA and VR Fund, even my 401 = is giving me back some of my contributions to the stock gods. My VR = fund is up over 10% just for October. For half a month, I consider that = a very good return. I looked at all the index charts this morning, and thought "M" looked = downright healthy, especially after all the strong and broad follow thru = days we have had. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Edward McDonough=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION M not looking good. Noone holding over weekend. So much for the Bear Rally. Get ready for the retest. Hug the Bear!!! Call me crazy=20 Ed - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Ed, would you elaborate on why you say "M" is not = looking=20 good. So far, October has been very good to me in both my IRA and VR = Fund, even=20 my 401 is giving me back some of my contributions to the stock = gods.  My VR=20 fund is up over 10% just for October.  For half a month, I consider = that a=20 very good return.
 
I looked at all the index charts this morning, and = thought "M"=20 looked downright healthy, especially after all the strong and broad = follow thru=20 days we have had.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Edward=20 McDonough
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 = 1:26=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] MARKET = DIRECTION

M not looking good.

Noone holding over=20 weekend.

So much for the Bear Rally.

Get ready for the=20 retest.

Hug the Bear!!!

Call me crazy =
Ed


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------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C1535A.2672BBE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ should have been MYL Date: 12 Oct 2001 20:24:38 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C1535B.EA881240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Charlie, I wouldn't agree that EPIQ fell apart, certainly not on the = fundamentals. But they timed a secondary offering badly, especially = considering that of the 1.5 million shares offered at 24.50, 1.05 = million came from the Chairman and his son, the CEO. In the same time = frame, they registered 1.35 million shares bought only the preceding = 12/31/00 by institutional investors, who were then sitting on over a = 250% profit in six months and anxious to sell. So the stock was hit with = an avalanche of sell orders at a time when the market was already again = weakening. It takes a long time for a small cap stock to absorb nearly 3 = million shares added to the float when it only had about 4.5 million in = the float before. I am not encouraging anyone to buy here, certainly not if they are = trading short to mid term. The time for that was while it based around = 20. But if the chart forms up well, a long term investor could like = this one. Hopeless as it is, I still have my buy limit in at 20.50! Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] EPIQ should have been MYL In reviewing EPIQ it appears that if fell apart in mid June and has = been going sideways since. Once it cleared the 50 dma in late September it = has been working its way back up. I don't think I would want to do that = now either. I have never used a limit order. I think I understand how it works. I had USPH on my spreadsheet of stocks I was watching. I added this = one about 10 days ago and thought about 18.10 or so would be a good point = to get in. When I checked it at work it was at 18.25 so I got in at that = point, actually 18.24. After reviewing the chart tonight I am thinking that = maybe I should have passed on this one. I noticed a few things I did not take = into consideration before. E.G.: probably if there was a correct entry it = should have been 17.30 or so. Also now I am questioning if it was a cwh at = all only about 4 weeks. The learning curve is pretty steep. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:38 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ should have been MYL One approach that has worked well for me at times it this - when a = stock that you really like runs beyond the 5% limit, I put in a limit order = at a price I'm comfortable with. Many times the stock will either "rest" a = bit and drop on lower volume, or just have a couple of large sells that = causes a quick dip. This way, you get in if the stock gives any chance at = all. I wouldn't use this if the stock was well out of range, but if it's just = a percentage point or two out of range, this can sometimes get you in at = the levels you wanted. (This isn't a recommendation to do this on EPIQ, = just a general note. EPIQ looks pretty low in the cup to me, so I'm waiting = for further progress before considering it.) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C1535B.EA881240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Charlie,
 
I wouldn't agree that EPIQ fell apart, certainly not = on the=20 fundamentals. But they timed a secondary offering badly, especially = considering=20 that of the 1.5 million shares offered at 24.50, 1.05 million came from = the=20 Chairman and his son, the CEO. In the same time frame, they registered = 1.35=20 million shares bought only the preceding 12/31/00 by institutional = investors,=20 who were then sitting on over a 250% profit in six months and anxious to = sell.=20 So the stock was hit with an avalanche of sell orders at a time when the = market=20 was already again weakening. It takes a long time for a small cap stock = to=20 absorb nearly 3 million shares added to the float when it only had=20 about 4.5 million in the float before.
 
I am not encouraging anyone to buy here, certainly = not if they=20 are trading short to mid term. The time for that was while it based = around=20 20.  But if the chart forms up well, a long term investor could = like this=20 one. Hopeless as it is, I still have my buy limit in at = 20.50!
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 = 9:43=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] EPIQ = should have=20 been MYL

In reviewing EPIQ it appears that if fell apart in mid = June and=20 has been
going sideways since. Once it cleared the 50 dma in late = September=20 it has
been working its way back up. I don't think I would want to = do that=20 now
either.
I have never used a limit order. I think I = understand how it=20 works.
I had USPH on my spreadsheet of stocks I was watching. I = added this=20 one
about 10 days ago and thought about 18.10 or so would be a good = point=20 to get
in. When I checked it at work it was at 18.25 so I got in at = that=20 point,
actually 18.24. After reviewing the chart tonight I am = thinking that=20 maybe I
should have passed on this one. I noticed a few things I = did not=20 take into
consideration before. E.G.: probably if there was a = correct entry=20 it should
have been 17.30 or so. Also now I am questioning if it = was a cwh=20 at all only
about 4 weeks.
The learning curve is pretty=20 steep.

Charlie


-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]On=20 Behalf Of esetser
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 8:38 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ should have been MYL


One approach that = has=20 worked well for me at times it this - when a stock
that you really = like=20 runs beyond the 5% limit, I put in a limit order at a
price I'm = comfortable=20 with.  Many times the stock will either "rest" a bit
and drop = on lower=20 volume, or just have a couple of large sells that causes
a quick = dip. =20 This way, you get in if the stock gives any chance at all.  = I
wouldn't=20 use this if the stock was well out of range, but if it's just = a
percentage=20 point or two out of range, this can sometimes get you in at = the
levels you=20 wanted.  (This isn't a recommendation to do this on EPIQ, just=20 a
general note.  EPIQ looks pretty low in the cup to me, so = I'm=20 waiting for
further progress before considering=20 it.)




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------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C1535B.EA881240-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fanus Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Date: 12 Oct 2001 17:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Can you elaborate a little on why you say M is not looking good and why you consider it a bear really and not the start of a potential bull market? Didn't we have at least two follow through days the last two weeks? Also think this is a little strong statement to say noone is holding over the weekend. If someone is selling, someone is buying, so someone is holding over the weekend. - Fanus --- Edward McDonough wrote: > M not looking good. > > Noone holding over weekend. > > So much for the Bear Rally. > > Get ready for the retest. > > Hug the Bear!!! > > Call me crazy > Ed > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 12 Oct 2001 20:34:14 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C1535D.41D18A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would point out, in addition to all the other comments from group = members, that the company has authorized a buyback of 1 million shares = out of a float of only 6.6 million. That's a huge percentage, and can = greatly affect the volume, and the chart. Until today, the stock was showing clear signs of lower highs, and lower = lows. One day does not make a reversal of this trend, especially if the = volume and price gain was company generated through their buyback = authority. However, the company's confidence in buying back their own = shares appears justified by the strong fundies. Outstanding ratings on = everything from RS, EPS, ROE, cash flow, GRS to A/D and Timeliness. They = may just have drawn the line in the sand today, and if so that could = mark the bottom on a company otherwise with excellent CANSLIM = characteristics. But I would still be willing to wait to see if today = does, in fact, mark a trend reversal. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: esetser=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH I think we've been through this before, but WON gives a lot of = latitude for deep cups during bear markets. From HTMMIS, "Coming out of a major = bear market, some patterns that have decreased 50% to 60% or more can = succeed." At 08:22 AM 10/12/01 -0700, you wrote: >Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom = of >the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there = is >no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under = the >50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the = upside. >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I >would not seriously consider it now. > >Tim Fisher >OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online >Tim@OreRockOn.com >http://OreRockOn.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C1535D.41D18A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would point out, in addition to all the other = comments from=20 group members, that the company has authorized a buyback of 1 = million=20 shares out of a float of only 6.6 million. That's a huge percentage, and = can=20 greatly affect the volume, and the chart.
 
Until today, the stock was showing clear signs of = lower highs,=20 and lower lows. One day does not make a reversal of this trend, = especially if=20 the volume and price gain was company generated through their buyback = authority.=20 However, the company's confidence in buying back their own shares = appears=20 justified by the strong fundies. Outstanding ratings on everything from = RS, EPS,=20 ROE, cash flow, GRS to A/D and Timeliness. They may just have drawn the = line in=20 the sand today, and if so that could mark the bottom on a company = otherwise with=20 excellent CANSLIM characteristics. But I would still be willing to wait = to see=20 if today does, in fact, mark a trend reversal.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 esetser
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 = 3:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = USPH

I think we've been through this before, but WON gives a = lot of=20 latitude for
deep cups during bear markets.  From HTMMIS, = "Coming out=20 of a major bear
market, some patterns that have decreased 50% to = 60% or=20 more can succeed."

At 08:22 AM 10/12/01 -0700, you=20 wrote:
>Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. = The=20 bottom of
>the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup = per WON,=20 and there is
>no N. All you can really say is that the pattern = of=20 trading at/under the
>50 DMA that has been in place since July = is being=20 broken to the upside.
>I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and = made=20 money off of it but I
>would not seriously consider it=20 now.
>
>Tim Fisher
>OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds=20 Online
>Tim@OreRockOn.com
>http://OreRockOn.com
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C1535D.41D18A80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 12 Oct 2001 21:36:14 -0400 Thanks for this. It is very interesting. Ann ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 4:56 PM : I didn't see a reply, so let me guess that the site Tim had in mind is: : : http://iw.thomsonfn.com/ : : and a sample of the kind of information he was talking about is: : : http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?ticker=CSCO : : It is not simple information to digest, so it takes a bit of study. : Also it has been pointed out that many big trades will escape their : notice so that the chart may be misleading. : : John : : --- Ann wrote: : > Can you send that site? : > : > ----- Original Message ----- : > From: "Tim Fisher" : > To: : > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:29 PM : > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH : > : > : > : That's why I said it was a stop sweep. There is a site (have the : > URL at : > : work) that reports institutional buying/selling based on ticker : > indicators. : > : They were buying huge lots on the dips esp at the close. : > : : > : At 08:13 PM 10/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: : > : >Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume on upticks - : > volume : > : >on downticks) today. That's significantly higher than yesterday : > : >(+35,000) even though the price was down significantly today and : > up : > : >significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in the face : > of a : > : >general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the current : > price : > : >may be good support. : > : > : > : >David : > : > : > : > : > : >- : > : >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : > : >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : > : >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : > : : > : Tim Fisher : > : Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site : > : Pacific Fishery Biologists Information : > : mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com : > : WWW http://OreRockOn.com : > : : > : : > : - : > : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : > : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : > : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : > : : > : > : > - : > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : : : __________________________________________________ : Do You Yahoo!? : Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. : http://personals.yahoo.com : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Date: 12 Oct 2001 21:25:52 -0700 Well Ed, I am holding over the weekend, so obviously "someone" is confident that this is at least a valid short term rally and the potential birth of a new bull. You as well as I know the reason for today's selloff was the anthrax news and not anything to do with bad economic or company news. And the markets were due for a selloff after yesterday's absurd gains. Plus the DOW and NASDAQ at least (and probably other indexes as well) closed well off their lows for the day, and the NASDAQ was UP. So I fail to see any gloom and/or doom and I thoroughly reject the bear that you so dearly cling to. Sounds like sour grapes from someone who was badly burned in the "bubble", IMHO. P.S. I for one an feeling celebratory after the buyout of my company and a big fat check in the bank. Got a little wild tonight with my first piercing at age 35. Whoo hoo! (Christ it hurts!) At 05:31 PM 10/12/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > M not looking good. > > > > Noone holding over weekend. > > > > So much for the Bear Rally. > > > > Get ready for the retest. > > > > Hug the Bear!!! > > > > Call me crazy > > Ed > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 12 Oct 2001 21:33:03 -0700 I consider any indicators on their charts to be noteworthy. I hadn't looked at AHMH since I had sold it (I bot it back today at the close, don't laugh! - trying something non-CANSLIM with it) but I have since looked and saw the selling yesterday, which was not occurring the prior day when it dropped so close to the end of the day. The past 2 days on it were heavy on the retail volume, which tells me that IBDers were buying and selling at a furious pace, and that day traders and shorters jumped into the fray as well. I think the institutions except for hedge funds left it alone for the most part. Remember it does not have a huge instit. holding so they can't dump it en masse if they don't own a large percentage of the float. Their secondary was horribly timed as was EPIQ's. Hey Tom, maybe they both have the same financial handlers! At 09:36 PM 10/12/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for this. It is very interesting. >Ann >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Kruger" >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 4:56 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH > > >: I didn't see a reply, so let me guess that the site Tim had in mind is: >: >: http://iw.thomsonfn.com/ >: >: and a sample of the kind of information he was talking about is: >: >: http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?ticker=CSCO >: >: It is not simple information to digest, so it takes a bit of study. >: Also it has been pointed out that many big trades will escape their >: notice so that the chart may be misleading. >: >: John >: >: --- Ann wrote: >: > Can you send that site? >: > >: > ----- Original Message ----- >: > From: "Tim Fisher" >: > To: >: > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:29 PM >: > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH >: > >: > >: > : That's why I said it was a stop sweep. There is a site (have the >: > URL at >: > : work) that reports institutional buying/selling based on ticker >: > indicators. >: > : They were buying huge lots on the dips esp at the close. >: > : >: > : At 08:13 PM 10/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: >: > : >Curiously, money flow on AHMH was +115,000 (volume on upticks - >: > volume >: > : >on downticks) today. That's significantly higher than yesterday >: > : >(+35,000) even though the price was down significantly today and >: > up >: > : >significantly yesterday. That suggests MM manipulation in the face >: > of a >: > : >general accumulation of shares and it suggests that the current >: > price >: > : >may be good support. >: > : > >: > : >David >: > : > >: > : > >: > : >- >: > : >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >: > : >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >: > : >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >: > : >: > : Tim Fisher >: > : Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >: > : Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >: > : mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >: > : WWW http://OreRockOn.com >: > : >: > : >: > : - >: > : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >: > : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >: > : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >: > : >: > >: > >: > - >: > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >: > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >: > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >: >: >: __________________________________________________ >: Do You Yahoo!? >: Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >: http://personals.yahoo.com >: >: - >: -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >: -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >: -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >: > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Date: 13 Oct 2001 07:39:21 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C153BA.2CB3FC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We won't ask where you got pierced, Tim! I am also holding over the weekend, and am also confident. Come to think = of it, tho, I've been holding and fully invested all year, so guess = that's not such a good indicator. Then again, my IRA is now up 56% for = the year, gained another 1.5% on Friday. I like these volatile days that = end flat. They're certainly paying me better than money market rates. If you are practicing CANSLIM, and understand what WON teaches, I do not = see how you can ignore the follow thru days we have had. They occurred = in precisely the most desirable time frame, involved multiple indexes, = did so on volume, and gained 2% or better. Don't know what more we can = ask for as a gauge on "M".=20 I also saw a number of companies, including tech stocks, that beat their = lowered forecasts with reports on Friday. Several also raised forecasts = for 4th quarter, that hasn't been happening in a while. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Well Ed, I am holding over the weekend, so obviously "someone" is = confident=20 that this is at least a valid short term rally and the potential birth = of a=20 new bull. You as well as I know the reason for today's selloff was the = anthrax news and not anything to do with bad economic or company news. = And=20 the markets were due for a selloff after yesterday's absurd gains. = Plus the=20 DOW and NASDAQ at least (and probably other indexes as well) closed = well=20 off their lows for the day, and the NASDAQ was UP. So I fail to see = any=20 gloom and/or doom and I thoroughly reject the bear that you so dearly = cling=20 to. Sounds like sour grapes from someone who was badly burned in the=20 "bubble", IMHO. P.S. I for one an feeling celebratory after the buyout of my company = and a=20 big fat check in the bank. Got a little wild tonight with my first = piercing=20 at age 35. Whoo hoo! (Christ it hurts!) At 05:31 PM 10/12/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > M not looking good. > > > > Noone holding over weekend. > > > > So much for the Bear Rally. > > > > Get ready for the retest. > > > > Hug the Bear!!! > > > > Call me crazy > > Ed > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C153BA.2CB3FC20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We won't ask where you got pierced, = Tim!
 
I am also holding over the weekend, and am also = confident.=20 Come to think of it, tho, I've been holding and fully invested all year, = so=20 guess that's not such a good indicator. Then again, my IRA is now up 56% = for the=20 year, gained another 1.5% on Friday. I like these volatile days that end = flat.=20 They're certainly paying me better than money market rates.
 
If you are practicing CANSLIM, and understand what = WON=20 teaches, I do not see how you can ignore the follow thru days we have = had. They=20 occurred in precisely the most desirable time frame, involved multiple = indexes,=20 did so on volume, and gained 2% or better. Don't know what more we can = ask for=20 as a gauge on "M".
 
I also saw a number of companies, including tech = stocks, that=20 beat their lowered forecasts with reports on Friday. Several also raised = forecasts for 4th quarter, that hasn't been happening in a = while.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 13, = 2001 12:25=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET=20 DIRECTION

Well Ed, I am holding over the weekend, so obviously = "someone"=20 is confident
that this is at least a valid short term rally and = the=20 potential birth of a
new bull. You as well as I know the reason = for=20 today's selloff was the
anthrax news and not anything to do with = bad=20 economic or company news. And
the markets were due for a selloff = after=20 yesterday's absurd gains. Plus the
DOW and NASDAQ at least (and = probably=20 other indexes as well) closed well
off their lows for the day, and = the=20 NASDAQ was UP. So I fail to see any
gloom and/or doom and I = thoroughly=20 reject the bear that you so dearly cling
to. Sounds like sour = grapes from=20 someone who was badly burned in the
"bubble", IMHO.

P.S. I = for one=20 an feeling celebratory after the buyout of my company and a
big = fat check=20 in the bank. Got a little wild tonight with my first piercing
at = age 35.=20 Whoo hoo!  (Christ it hurts!)

At 05:31 PM 10/12/2001 = -0700, you=20 wrote:

> > M not looking good.
> >
> > = Noone=20 holding over weekend.
> >
> > So much for the Bear=20 Rally.
> >
> > Get ready for the retest.
>=20 >
> > Hug the Bear!!!
> >
> > Call me=20 crazy
> > Ed
> >

Tim Fisher
Ore-ROCK-On=20 Rockhounding Web Site
Pacific Fishery Biologists Information
mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW = http://OreRockOn.com


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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Makara, Tamas" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 13 Oct 2001 16:56:04 +0200 I've got a daytrader friend who made a ton of money by shorting AHMH when it broke below 19 and covering at 17 within an hour. He knows CANSLIM very well, but does not follow it. But he shorts every failing CANSLIM stock. Says he will stop doing this if CANSLIM stocks will stop failing. Just reporting. Tamas VPAviator@aol.com wrote: > Like many others I too was in AHMH - looked like a great stock forming a nice pattern, got in within 5% of pivot, then it caved on 10/11. However I assumed the reason was that AHMH announced they would sell an additional 50 million shares (they only have 9 million outstanding now). That outght to dilute the EPS quite a bit. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Warren Keuffel Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO Data Date: 13 Oct 2001 11:06:13 -0600 Tom and all (catching up after vacation), As long as you stay aware of their specific complaint, viz, "data is identical to that found in the Work. For example, the posting contains the same titles for each category of data, also the abbreviations and figures for each stock are identical to those found in the Work" it seems to me (disclaimer: IANAL) that we could still discuss the stocks while being mindful that we are disallowed from using the same SPECIFIC titles and data. IOW, we can talk about the stocks and then people can go to their own copies of DGO or IBD for the specific info if we are so inclined. Suggestion for list manager: Have every participant sign (electronically) agreement that acknowledges that they are not employees or affiliates of WON and that by signing up for the list they forgo any rights to monitor and/or control content of the list, or to violate your copyright which prohibits disclosing the contents of *your* list to a third party. IOW, make it a closed list (as it is now, but with a legal component.) Give 'em a taste of their own medicine! Just a thot. ;-) Warren Tom Worley wrote: > Ms. McKnight acknowledged that my intentions were good and presumed an > oversight on my part (it wasn't, I considered what I posted to be > intellectual product, I had previously asked them if I could post the > entire list and was told no). The specific complaint was that "data is > identical to that found in the Work. For example, the posting contains > the same titles for each category of data, also the abbreviations and > figures for each stock are identical to those found in the Work". > Naturally, this is true since I delete from the downloaded spread > sheet those rows for stocks I did not find worthy of mention, leaving > the remaining data unchanged. Maybe if I deleted some of the lesser > important columns, and changed the column headings on the rest, and > used different stock symbols (didn't know they were copyrighted by > DGO, did you? Wonder if the exchanges have to pay them to use the > symbols?), they would be happy? I find DGO seriously deficient (and > this includes the most disappointing and long awaited beta version) in > that it only considers the stocks already prescreened for the DG > books, and then does not make much of the data sortable. I hung in > there this long expecting the beta version to finally provide at least > minimally decent screening tools, it adds very little, certainly > nothing I would be willing to pay more for. As a major upgrade, it > didn't even make private first class in my book. I caused DGO no harm > as I can see, certainly no more than they have caused me by the > charting service periodically not being available. I posted static > data on a limited number of dynamic stocks. Within a day or two, the > data would be different. Certainly no one would decide not to > subscribe because of my posting (unless they thought I am such a good > stock picker that they only needed my list and not DGO services). > Having been warned, I don't intend to persist in violating their > copyright according to their interpretation, so I do not expect > further action on their part. Nor has DGO Customer Service responded > to my initial email, and they are usually very quick to respond. Since > this had nothing to do with service, I suspect they passed this hot > potato along to Ms. McKnight. Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DougC > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 1:55 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: Discontinuance of my posting DGO > Data > Tom > > I was curious to see what Ms.McKnight was objecting to. I > looked at your list with the DGO data and noted that the > spreadsheet included EPS, RS, Grp Str, SMR, and A/D. I went > to the DGO web site and looked through the glossary and > found the description for the Smartselect Corporate Ratings. > It listed the 5 'proprietary data items'. They are EPS, RS, > Grp Str, SMR and A/D. Based on that I agree with what you > concluded that you can still post your list but limit it to > your observations and not include the other data. But I > ain't no lawyer so that might even be too much. I'm sure > they'll let you know. ;). Personally, I believe the real > power of DGO is in the availability and presentation of the > data. And as far as I'm concerned it's not just A/D, SMR, > Grp Str or even EPS. It's the fact that with two pages they > include just about everything else you need to know about a > company. Of course if they'd made all that other data > sortable then DGO would be really really powerful. ( I had > to say that because now we know for sure someone is > watching). And then it might be really worth what I'm paying > for it. Even with the discount. I've looked at HGS several > times and I honestly don't think I'd prefer that over DGO > even as it is and how much it costs. But maybe I need to > take a closer look at TC2000. > > At 08:57 PM 10/5/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > To: Ms. Susan McKnight, President, Daily Graphs Online > > CANSLIM Discussion Group Members > > > > I was served with legal notice this morning that I was in > > violation of my agreement with DGO by posting the data on > > those stocks I had listed in my DGO List last Saturday. I > > was warned that not only could my service be discontinued, > > but I could be legally prosecuted for unauthorized use. I > > will, of course, cease and desist from my well intended > > practice. > > > > I felt then, and still feel now, that what I did was > > posting intellectual property I had developed. I did not > > post the entire DGO List, rather only those stocks that I > > had reviewed and found worthy of mention. Obviously, Ms. > > McKnight and her corporate counsel feel differently. > > > > I would also note that despite my frequent and strong > > support of DGO in this discussion group, I have never once > > received a thank you from DGO. I cooperated with a > > reporter from IBD, who had sought interviews from members > > of this group. I don't know if she ever posted the article > > as I never heard back from her once she got her > > information. I also note that there have been numerous > > instances in which an article appeared in IBD shortly > > after similar discussions in this group. Not once was this > > group credited or acknowledged as providing the topic or > > idea for the article. To me that is theft of intellectual > > property, and used for commercial purposes to boot. Maybe > > Jeff Salisbury needs to put a copyright on this group's > > discussions, and demand payment when they steal our ideas. > > > > This legal notice I received again confirms to me that > > this group is being monitored covertly by DGO, and likely > > by IBD as well. I guess that is some kind of back handed > > compliment, in a way, but I don't like the sneaky > > approach. > > > > The most upsetting part of this for me is getting this > > notice in a morning delivery by Fedex when a simple email > > would have sufficed. It's not like they don't have my > > email address, after all. Granted, it might not have the > > same legal standing, but I also don't need to be hit in > > the head with a baseball bat. And here I was thinking they > > had finally recognized my ability to make good money even > > in a solid bear market (BTW, my VR fund is up over 15% in > > the past six trading days, and continues to beat every > > major index, but I'm not giving the list of stocks to DGO > > or IBD). > > > > Unless Ms. McKnight further objects, I intend to continue > > reviewing the entire DGO List, and posting my thoughts and > > observations. Hopefully I can at least continue that > > service to this group. But with this "one way" policy so > > directly demonstrated, along with the continued failure of > > DGO to provide even minimal screening tools in the latest > > beta version, and the continuing limitation of reports to > > just those stocks in the DG books rather than all stocks, > > I will not make further recommendations to members to buy > > this service and will look for alternative means to > > achieve the same results. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > AIM: TexWorley > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List Date: 13 Oct 2001 10:43:20 -0700 --=====================_11827487==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here is what I will be watching next week! 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 13 Oct 2001 10:57:59 -0700 Please get your facts straight before you post to this group. It is a $50 million offering, not 50 million shares. There are 11.4 million shares outstanding. Execs are offering 1.57 million of their shares, which at $20.85 (the offering price) is worth $32 million. That leaves $18 million at $21/shr = 850,000 shares to be added. Hardly the major dilution you portrayed. I suggest you learn to actually read the SEC filings before you comment on them. Tom, they have Deloitte & Touche for handlers. Same as EPIQ? Also I would be curious to know what the final dilution factor to earnings is likely to be from your perspective. At 09:22 AM 10/13/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Like many others I too was in AHMH - looked like a great stock forming a >nice pattern, got in within 5% of pivot, then it caved on 10/11. However >I assumed the reason was that AHMH announced they would sell an additional >50 million shares (they only have 9 million outstanding now). That outght >to dilute the EPS quite a bit. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 13 Oct 2001 12:51:59 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1540F.C18A1820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tim posted: "Breaking out to what exactly?" The following two paragraphs and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper: U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep in its base. The operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal volume. U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month base, gaining 1.73 to 18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The operator of outpatient physical therapy clinics is featured in today's Chart Watch. Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is not only about 52 week highs. Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples posts and spending more time learning what CANSLIM is all about would increase your CANSLIM investment return. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the 50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I would not seriously consider it now. Tim Fisher ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1540F.C18A1820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] USPH

Tim posted: "Breaking out to what = exactly?"

The following two paragraphs and a chart are in = Mondays CANSLIM paper:

U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep = in its base. The operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 = in five times normal volume.

U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month = base, gaining 1.73 to 18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The = operator of outpatient physical therapy clinics is featured in today's = Chart Watch.

Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is not = only about 52 week highs.

Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples posts = and spending more time learning what CANSLIM is all about would = increase your CANSLIM investment return.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:TFisher@beak.com]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM
To: Canslim
Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH


Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over = 21. The bottom of
the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup = per WON, and there is
no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of = trading at/under the
50 DMA that has been in place since July is being = broken to the upside.
I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money = off of it but I
would not seriously consider it now.

Tim Fisher

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1540F.C18A1820-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 13 Oct 2001 14:08:07 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C153F0.7BCEEE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tim, The dilution factor on earnings from a secondary is a hard thing to = quantify, as it all depends on what they do with the cash from the = secondary. If they are using it to just pay off debt, then you can = determine how much they save in interest expense vs the larger nr of = shares. If they are going to use it to make an acquisition, you can't = tell a thing until you know more about the acquisition. If they are = using the cash to buy capital equipment, you have to figure how much = more cost effective, or how much more production, is generated from that = new equipment. When a company is essentially debt free, and already has a good cash = position (that was the case with EPIQ), then I find the secondary to = generally be a positive. Witness EPIQ using about half of the cash = raised for a cash buyout of the third largest company in their niche. No = new shares, still has a very strong cash balance, and now will be the = largest player. D & T is an excellent firm, and fully knowledgeable of the securities = industry. I don't recall who the handlers are for EPIQ, but don't = remember it being them. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Please get your facts straight before you post to this group. It is a = $50=20 million offering, not 50 million shares. There are 11.4 million shares = outstanding. Execs are offering 1.57 million of their shares, which at = $20.85 (the offering price) is worth $32 million. That leaves $18 = million=20 at $21/shr =3D 850,000 shares to be added. Hardly the major dilution = you=20 portrayed. I suggest you learn to actually read the SEC filings before = you=20 comment on them. Tom, they have Deloitte & Touche for handlers. Same as EPIQ? Also I = would=20 be curious to know what the final dilution factor to earnings is = likely to=20 be from your perspective. At 09:22 AM 10/13/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Like many others I too was in AHMH - looked like a great stock = forming a=20 >nice pattern, got in within 5% of pivot, then it caved on 10/11. = However=20 >I assumed the reason was that AHMH announced they would sell an = additional=20 >50 million shares (they only have 9 million outstanding now). That = outght=20 >to dilute the EPS quite a bit. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C153F0.7BCEEE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tim,
 
The dilution factor on earnings from a secondary is = a hard=20 thing to quantify, as it all depends on what they do with the cash from = the=20 secondary. If they are using it to just pay off debt, then you can = determine how=20 much they save in interest expense vs the larger nr of shares. If they = are going=20 to use it to make an acquisition, you can't tell a thing until you know = more=20 about the acquisition. If they are using the cash to buy capital = equipment, you=20 have to figure how much more cost effective, or how much more = production, is=20 generated from that new equipment.
 
When a company is essentially debt free, and already = has a=20 good cash position (that was the case with EPIQ), then I find the = secondary to=20 generally be a positive. Witness EPIQ using about half of the cash = raised for a=20 cash buyout of the third largest company in their niche. No new shares, = still=20 has a very strong cash balance, and now will be the largest = player.
 
D & T is an excellent firm, and fully = knowledgeable of the=20 securities industry. I don't recall who the handlers are for EPIQ, but = don't=20 remember it being them.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 13, = 2001 1:57=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = AHMH

Please get your facts straight before you post to this = group.=20 It is a $50
million offering, not 50 million shares. There are = 11.4=20 million shares
outstanding. Execs are offering 1.57 million of = their=20 shares, which at
$20.85 (the offering price) is worth $32 million. = That=20 leaves $18 million
at $21/shr =3D 850,000 shares to be added. = Hardly the=20 major dilution you
portrayed. I suggest you learn to actually read = the SEC=20 filings before you
comment on them.

Tom, they have Deloitte = &=20 Touche for handlers. Same as EPIQ? Also I would
be curious to know = what=20 the final dilution factor to earnings is likely to
be from your=20 perspective.

At 09:22 AM 10/13/2001 -0400, you = wrote:
>Like many=20 others I too was in AHMH - looked like a great stock forming a =
>nice=20 pattern, got in within 5% of pivot, then it caved on 10/11.  = However=20
>I assumed the reason was that AHMH announced they would sell = an=20 additional
>50 million shares (they only have 9 million = outstanding=20 now).  That outght
>to dilute the EPS quite a = bit.

Tim=20 Fisher
Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site
Pacific Fishery = Biologists=20 Information
mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW = http://OreRockOn.com


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-T= o=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C153F0.7BCEEE60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeff.salisbury@xmission.com Date: 13 Oct 2001 12:29:03 -0600 13 Oct 2001 10:24:17 PDT In-Reply-To: <3BC87485.54CDB22E@xmission.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Again, I think that it depends upon what the user agreement says that you "signed" when you subscribed to the service. If it says that you can't do something, then you can't. I suspect that their only recourse under such an agreement would be to cancel your subscription. John --- Warren Keuffel wrote: > Tom and all (catching up after vacation), > > As long as you stay aware of their specific complaint, viz, "data is > identical to that found in the Work. For example, the posting > contains > the same titles for each category of data, also the abbreviations and > figures for each stock are identical to those found in the Work" it > seems to me (disclaimer: IANAL) that we could still discuss the > stocks > while being mindful that we are disallowed from using the same > SPECIFIC > titles and data. IOW, we can talk about the stocks and then people > can > go to their own copies of DGO or IBD for the specific info if we are > so > inclined. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 13 Oct 2001 11:29:30 -0700 At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Tim posted: "Breaking out to what exactly?" > >The following two paragraphs and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper: > >U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep in its base. The >operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal >volume. I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very deep in the base. >U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month base, gaining 1.73 to >18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The operator of outpatient >physical therapy clinics is featured in today's Chart Watch. > >Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is not only about 52 week >highs. I see the "N" above. I was not aware of the News. When I said "no N" I didn't see a New High or News (two of many possible "Ns"). The fact that it is a valid CANSLIM breakout is your judgement. IBD did not make that judgement, not in what you quoted here. >Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples posts and spending more >time learning what CANSLIM is all about would increase your CANSLIM >investment return. Who/what/where did I slam? Examples please. He asked for input on USPH, I gave my opinion. That's what this forum is all about. >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:TFisher@beak.com] >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM >To: Canslim >Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > >Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of >the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is >no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the >50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I >would not seriously consider it now. > >Tim Fisher Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List Date: 13 Oct 2001 10:43:20 -0700 --=====================_11827487==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Here is what I will be watching next week! 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lumpkin, Robert" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 13 Oct 2001 13:43:40 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15416.FA09BB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I >would not seriously consider it now. > >Tim Fisher Your statement above; but why do you have it on your watch list posted today? You even have it listed # 6 of 58! Why watch it, if you will not buy it? -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:30 PM At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Tim posted: "Breaking out to what exactly?" > >The following two paragraphs and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper: > >U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep in its base. The >operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal >volume. I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very deep in the base. >U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month base, gaining 1.73 to >18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The operator of outpatient >physical therapy clinics is featured in today's Chart Watch. > >Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is not only about 52 week >highs. I see the "N" above. I was not aware of the News. When I said "no N" I didn't see a New High or News (two of many possible "Ns"). The fact that it is a valid CANSLIM breakout is your judgement. IBD did not make that judgement, not in what you quoted here. >Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples posts and spending more >time learning what CANSLIM is all about would increase your CANSLIM >investment return. Who/what/where did I slam? Examples please. He asked for input on USPH, I gave my opinion. That's what this forum is all about. >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:TFisher@beak.com] >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM >To: Canslim >Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > >Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of >the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is >no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the >50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I >would not seriously consider it now. > >Tim Fisher Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15416.FA09BB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] USPH

>I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made = money off of it but I
>would not seriously consider it now.
>
>Tim Fisher

Your statement above; but why do you have it on your = watch list posted today?  You even have it listed # 6 of 58!  = Why watch it, if you will not buy it?


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:30 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH


At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Tim posted: "Breaking out to what = exactly?"
>
>The following two paragraphs and a chart are in = Mondays CANSLIM paper:
>
>U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere = deep in its base. The
>operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to = 18.30 in five times normal
>volume.
I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very = deep in the base.

>U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month = base, gaining 1.73 to
>18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The = operator of outpatient
>physical therapy clinics is featured in today's = Chart Watch.
>
>Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is = not only about 52 week
>highs.
I see the "N" above. I was not aware of = the News. When I said "no N" I
didn't see a New High or News (two of many possible = "Ns"). The fact that it
is a valid CANSLIM breakout is your judgement. IBD = did not make that
judgement, not in what you quoted here.

>Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples = posts and spending more
>time learning what CANSLIM is all about would = increase your CANSLIM
>investment return.
Who/what/where did I slam? Examples please. He asked = for input on USPH, I
gave my opinion. That's what this forum is all = about.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Fisher [<mailto:TFisher@beak.com>mailto:TFisher@beak.com]
>Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM
>To: Canslim
>Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH
>
>Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is = over 21. The bottom of
>the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a = cup per WON, and there is
>no N. All you can really say is that the pattern = of trading at/under the
>50 DMA that has been in place since July is = being broken to the upside.
>I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made = money off of it but I
>would not seriously consider it now.
>
>Tim Fisher

Tim Fisher
Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site
Pacific Fishery Biologists Information
mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW http://OreRockOn.com


-
-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email = "majordomo@xmission.com"
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C15416.FA09BB40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 13 Oct 2001 13:19:34 -0700 I am watching it. Did I say this was my "buy list"? No. An I recommending you buy something on the list? Again no. I do not claim that my watch list is anything more than that - a watch list. I own some of them, want to buy some of them, and do not want to buy some of them. I am watching them. It is #6 because its ERG is #6. Do I think it is buyable? Probably sometime in the future. That's why I am _watching_ it. At 01:43 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I > >would not seriously consider it now. > > > >Tim Fisher > >Your statement above; but why do you have it on your watch list posted >today? You even have it listed # 6 of 58! Why watch it, if you will not >buy it? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com] >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:30 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH > >At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >Tim posted: "Breaking out to what exactly?" > > > >The following two paragraphs and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper: > > > >U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep in its base. The > >operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal > >volume. >I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very deep in the base. > > >U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month base, gaining 1.73 to > >18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The operator of outpatient > >physical therapy clinics is featured in today's Chart Watch. > > > >Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is not only about 52 week > >highs. >I see the "N" above. I was not aware of the News. When I said "no N" I >didn't see a New High or News (two of many possible "Ns"). The fact that it >is a valid CANSLIM breakout is your judgement. IBD did not make that >judgement, not in what you quoted here. > > >Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples posts and spending more > >time learning what CANSLIM is all about would increase your CANSLIM > >investment return. >Who/what/where did I slam? Examples please. He asked for input on USPH, I >gave my opinion. That's what this forum is all about. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Tim Fisher > [<mailto:TFisher@beak.com>mailto:TFisher@beak.com] > >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM > >To: Canslim > >Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > >Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of > >the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is > >no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the > >50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. > >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I > >would not seriously consider it now. > > > >Tim Fisher > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 13 Oct 2001 18:07:00 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C15411.DAC36420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ON "M" I have made it clear during the week that I consider "M" to be healing, = and signaling that it is time to be buying. You may want to only buy = partial positions, or smaller positions that you normally do. For those = that were not maintaining an active and up to date watch list, you now = have to play catch up. But don't let haste and urgency cause you to cut = corners, or rush decisions. There is a long way to go. In six months we = can look back and decide if this is finally the true start of a new = bull, or just another short term rally. But either way, for now it looks = to be the right time to be invested. And we have Nov and Dec ahead, = which traditionally are "good" months for investors. ------- ON CHART READING - POST ATTACK As we move further away in time from the horrific affects of September = 11, and the gap in stocks charts for the four days following, followed = by a severe sell off in many stocks when we finally resumed trading on = September 17, the patterns become easier to read. But reviewing charts = this weekend also makes it very clear to me that there are many stocks = showing potentially positive patterns (e.g. cup and handle) that really = reflect more a violent correction, followed by a return to pre-attack = levels. I will still call this a cup and handle pattern, because that is = what it is, and the violent correction in many cases had nothing to do = with the company's fundamentals. But I also think traditional patterns, = including also the double or triple bottom, may be less trustworthy than = usual because of the impact of 9/11/01.=20 ------- WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES Since I am using multiple sources, I can no longer quantify exactly = whether the pool from which I do my research is growing, but I think it = is. And I will continue using the dash after the stock symbol (it's a = dash, by the way, I couldn't use a minus as it was already copyrighted!) # =3D in my VR fund Bx =3D B for a flat line base, x for the nr of weeks As always, do your own research and due diligence, I am just looking at = recent chart patterns for stocks with good RS and EPS, and other CANSLIM = type characteristics ADVP - 2 week handle in the right place on the cup ANSS - had a very nice base, pre-attack, resuming that same level APOG - # (adding Monday) was building a cup before the attack, broke out = Thu and Fri from 2 week handle, just passing pivot BBI - B2 BIOA - forming a handle on a way too deep cup BRL - completed a double bottom, looks to be breaking out Friday CBT - not sure what to call this, b/o from a lower handle? CYTC - high two week handle DORL - 2+ week handle on the cup ESRX - volatile 2 week base, maybe a handle on a "V" cup FBA - another high handle FHRX - LLUR FTO - high handle GTY - B3 HLYW - B2, high handle? HRB - LLUR KEX - cup completed KIM - large, deep cup completed, volume drying up KNGT - b/o Thu from a descending handle KPP - LLUR following the 50 DMA MATW - resumed basing at pre-attack levels MIKE - breaking the pivot after a double bottom MIMS - high handle on the cup, huge earnings forecasts MMSI - #B2 MKC - previous saucer now replaced by a "V" cup and 2 week handle MMSI - B2# MSCC - long cup, may break pivot without a handle RESP - B2 RGIS - B1+ RJR - B1 STJ - B2 after a double bottom STZ - B2, alcohol sales up SWWC - NICE cup, earnings and revenues possibly slowing, tho SZA - LLUR, right now hitting the 50 DMA again, may be an entry TCNJ - B1+ UBSI - B2 VGR - B2, high handle? WEG - B1 handle on small cup WRE - breaking pivot without a handle WRI - B2 handle on decent cup WSH - B2+ XRAY - resumed basing at pre-attach levels Happy Hunting, and God Bless America =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C15411.DAC36420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ON "M"
I have made it clear during the week that I consider = "M" to be=20 healing, and signaling that it is time to be buying. You may want to = only buy=20 partial positions, or smaller positions that you normally do. For those = that=20 were not maintaining an active and up to date watch list, you now have = to play=20 catch up. But don't let haste and urgency cause you to cut corners, or = rush=20 decisions. There is a long way to go. In six months we can look back and = decide=20 if this is finally the true start of a new bull, or just another short = term=20 rally. But either way, for now it looks to be the right time to be = invested. And=20 we have Nov and Dec ahead, which traditionally are "good" months for=20 investors.
ON CHART READING - POST ATTACK
As we move further away in time from the horrific affects of = September 11,=20 and the gap in stocks charts for the four days following, followed by a = severe=20 sell off in many stocks when we finally resumed trading on September 17, = the=20 patterns become easier to read. But reviewing charts this weekend also = makes it=20 very clear to me that there are many stocks showing potentially positive = patterns (e.g. cup and handle) that really reflect more a violent = correction,=20 followed by a return to pre-attack levels. I will still call this a cup = and=20 handle pattern, because that is what it is, and the violent correction = in many=20 cases had nothing to do with the company's fundamentals. But I also = think=20 traditional patterns, including also the double or triple bottom, may be = less=20 trustworthy than usual because of the impact of 9/11/01.=20
WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES
Since I am using multiple sources, I can no longer quantify exactly = whether=20 the pool from which I do my research is growing, but I think it is. And = I will=20 continue using the dash after the stock symbol (it's a dash, by the way, = I=20 couldn't use a minus as it was already copyrighted!)
 
# =3D in my VR fund
Bx =3D B for a flat line base, x for the nr of weeks
As always, do your own research and due diligence, I am just = looking at=20 recent chart patterns for stocks with good RS and EPS, and other CANSLIM = type=20 characteristics
 
ADVP - 2 week handle in the right place on the cup
ANSS - had a very nice base, pre-attack, resuming that same = level
APOG - # (adding Monday) was building a cup before the attack, = broke out=20 Thu and Fri from 2 week handle, just passing pivot
BBI - B2
BIOA - forming a handle on a way too deep cup
BRL - completed a double bottom, looks to be breaking out = Friday
CBT - not sure what to call this, b/o from a lower handle?
CYTC - high two week handle
DORL - 2+ week handle on the cup
ESRX - volatile 2 week base, maybe a handle on a "V" cup
FBA - another high handle
FHRX - LLUR
FTO - high handle
GTY - B3
HLYW - B2, high handle?
HRB - LLUR
KEX - cup completed
KIM - large, deep cup completed, volume drying up
KNGT - b/o Thu from a descending handle
KPP - LLUR following the 50 DMA
MATW - resumed basing at pre-attack levels
MIKE - breaking the pivot after a double bottom
MIMS - high handle on the cup, huge earnings forecasts
MMSI - #B2
MKC - previous saucer now replaced by a "V" cup and 2 week = handle
MMSI - B2#
MSCC - long cup, may break pivot without a handle
RESP - B2
RGIS - B1+
RJR - B1
STJ - B2 after a double bottom
STZ - B2, alcohol sales up
SWWC - NICE cup, earnings and revenues possibly slowing, tho
SZA - LLUR, right now hitting the 50 DMA again, may be an = entry
TCNJ - B1+
UBSI - B2
VGR - B2, high handle?
WEG - B1 handle on small cup
WRE - breaking pivot without a handle
WRI - B2 handle on decent cup
WSH - B2+
XRAY - resumed basing at pre-attach levels
 
Happy Hunting, and God Bless America
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_00A5_01C15411.DAC36420-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH/Limit Orders Date: 13 Oct 2001 18:35:18 -0700 I liked USPH and bought it but think I missed the correct buy point it was at 18.24 when I purchased it probably the right spot was 17.30, 5% over would have been 18.16 maybe it will work out. I don't always have a chance to check at work. Someone mentioned limit orders. I know that means that you put the price you want it and if it hits that price you have it. What I cant seem to work out is the volume factor. The stock is supposed to get up there on high volume. A limit order does not help with that. I guess the only answer is to be able to watch it. Any suggestions. Thanks Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:20 PM I am watching it. Did I say this was my "buy list"? No. An I recommending you buy something on the list? Again no. I do not claim that my watch list is anything more than that - a watch list. I own some of them, want to buy some of them, and do not want to buy some of them. I am watching them. It is #6 because its ERG is #6. Do I think it is buyable? Probably sometime in the future. That's why I am _watching_ it. At 01:43 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I > >would not seriously consider it now. > > > >Tim Fisher > >Your statement above; but why do you have it on your watch list posted >today? You even have it listed # 6 of 58! Why watch it, if you will not >buy it? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com] >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:30 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH > >At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >Tim posted: "Breaking out to what exactly?" > > > >The following two paragraphs and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper: > > > >U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep in its base. The > >operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal > >volume. >I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very deep in the base. > > >U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month base, gaining 1.73 to > >18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The operator of outpatient > >physical therapy clinics is featured in today's Chart Watch. > > > >Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is not only about 52 week > >highs. >I see the "N" above. I was not aware of the News. When I said "no N" I >didn't see a New High or News (two of many possible "Ns"). The fact that it >is a valid CANSLIM breakout is your judgement. IBD did not make that >judgement, not in what you quoted here. > > >Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples posts and spending more > >time learning what CANSLIM is all about would increase your CANSLIM > >investment return. >Who/what/where did I slam? Examples please. He asked for input on USPH, I >gave my opinion. That's what this forum is all about. > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Tim Fisher > [<mailto:TFisher@beak.com>mailto:TFisher@beak.com] > >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM > >To: Canslim > >Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > >Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of > >the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is > >no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the > >50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. > >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I > >would not seriously consider it now. > > > >Tim Fisher > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH/Limit Orders Date: 13 Oct 2001 19:50:33 -0600 Well, in this case, the stock was WAY beyond the desired volume early in the day. In cases like this, it is easy to throw in an order to try and grab it. I had orders at 18.20 both during the day and in the extended trading but they didn't take, so I'm still out. Sometimes I think I'm crazy trying to save that extra 5 or 10 cents just to keep it at 5%, but oh well. I'm gonna watch this one on Monday morning, and maybe I can pick up someone's profit taking? At 06:35 PM 10/13/01 -0700, you wrote: > I liked USPH and bought it but think I missed the correct buy point it was >at 18.24 when I purchased it probably the right spot was 17.30, 5% over >would have been 18.16 maybe it will work out. I don't always have a chance >to check at work. > Someone mentioned limit orders. I know that means that you put the price >you want it and if it hits that price you have it. What I cant seem to work >out is the volume factor. The stock is supposed to get up there on high >volume. A limit order does not help with that. I guess the only answer is to >be able to watch it. Any suggestions. > >Thanks >Charlie > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:20 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH > > >I am watching it. Did I say this was my "buy list"? No. An I recommending >you buy something on the list? Again no. I do not claim that my watch list >is anything more than that - a watch list. I own some of them, want to buy >some of them, and do not want to buy some of them. I am watching them. It >is #6 because its ERG is #6. Do I think it is buyable? Probably sometime in >the future. That's why I am _watching_ it. > >At 01:43 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >> >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I >> >would not seriously consider it now. >> > >> >Tim Fisher >> >>Your statement above; but why do you have it on your watch list posted >>today? You even have it listed # 6 of 58! Why watch it, if you will not >>buy it? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com] >>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:30 PM >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH >> >>At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >Tim posted: "Breaking out to what exactly?" >> > >> >The following two paragraphs and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper: >> > >> >U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep in its base. The >> >operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal >> >volume. >>I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very deep in the base. >> >> >U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month base, gaining 1.73 to >> >18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The operator of outpatient >> >physical therapy clinics is featured in today's Chart Watch. >> > >> >Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is not only about 52 week >> >highs. >>I see the "N" above. I was not aware of the News. When I said "no N" I >>didn't see a New High or News (two of many possible "Ns"). The fact that it >>is a valid CANSLIM breakout is your judgement. IBD did not make that >>judgement, not in what you quoted here. >> >> >Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples posts and spending more >> >time learning what CANSLIM is all about would increase your CANSLIM >> >investment return. >>Who/what/where did I slam? Examples please. He asked for input on USPH, I >>gave my opinion. That's what this forum is all about. >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Tim Fisher >> >[<mailto:TFisher@beak.com>mailto:TFisher@beak.com] >> >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM >> >To: Canslim >> >Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH >> > >> >Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of >> >the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is >> >no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the >> >50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. >> >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I >> >would not seriously consider it now. >> > >> >Tim Fisher >> >>Tim Fisher >>Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >>Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >>mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >>WWW http://OreRockOn.com >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION Date: 13 Oct 2001 21:34:16 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15458.B7E296A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FWIW I have done an EWT analysis of the NASDAQ and my analysis indicate that we are indeed at the beginning of a new bull market. WON and EWT aligned, one philosophy confirming another. I like the odds. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 6:39 AM We won't ask where you got pierced, Tim! I am also holding over the weekend, and am also confident. Come to think of it, tho, I've been holding and fully invested all year, so guess that's not such a good indicator. Then again, my IRA is now up 56% for the year, gained another 1.5% on Friday. I like these volatile days that end flat. They're certainly paying me better than money market rates. If you are practicing CANSLIM, and understand what WON teaches, I do not see how you can ignore the follow thru days we have had. They occurred in precisely the most desirable time frame, involved multiple indexes, did so on volume, and gained 2% or better. Don't know what more we can ask for as a gauge on "M". I also saw a number of companies, including tech stocks, that beat their lowered forecasts with reports on Friday. Several also raised forecasts for 4th quarter, that hasn't been happening in a while. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:25 AM Well Ed, I am holding over the weekend, so obviously "someone" is confident that this is at least a valid short term rally and the potential birth of a new bull. You as well as I know the reason for today's selloff was the anthrax news and not anything to do with bad economic or company news. And the markets were due for a selloff after yesterday's absurd gains. Plus the DOW and NASDAQ at least (and probably other indexes as well) closed well off their lows for the day, and the NASDAQ was UP. So I fail to see any gloom and/or doom and I thoroughly reject the bear that you so dearly cling to. Sounds like sour grapes from someone who was badly burned in the "bubble", IMHO. P.S. I for one an feeling celebratory after the buyout of my company and a big fat check in the bank. Got a little wild tonight with my first piercing at age 35. Whoo hoo! (Christ it hurts!) At 05:31 PM 10/12/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > M not looking good. > > > > Noone holding over weekend. > > > > So much for the Bear Rally. > > > > Get ready for the retest. > > > > Hug the Bear!!! > > > > Call me crazy > > Ed > > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email " majordomo@xmission.com " -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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FWIW I have done an EWT analysis of the NASDAQ and my analysis indicate that we = are indeed at the beginning of a new bull market. WON and EWT aligned, one phil= osophy confirming another. I like the odds.

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E

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 13, = 2001 6:39 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.c= om
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION

 <= /o:p>

We wo= n't ask where you got pierced, Tim!

 = ;

I am = also holding over the weekend, and am also confident. Come to think of it, tho, = I've been holding and fully invested all year, so guess that's not such a good indicator. Then again, my IRA is now up 56% for the year, gained another 1.= 5% on Friday. I like these volatile days that end flat. They're certainly payi= ng me better than money market rates.

 = ;

If yo= u are practicing CANSLIM, and understand what WON teaches, I do not see how you c= an ignore the follow thru days we have had. They occurred in precisely the most desirable time frame, involved multiple indexes, did so on volume, and gain= ed 2% or better. Don't know what more we can ask for as a gauge on "M&quo= t;.

 = ;

I als= o saw a number of companies, including tech stocks, that beat their lowered forecas= ts with reports on Friday. Several also raised forecasts for 4th quarter, that hasn't been happening in a while.

 = ;

Tom W= orley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley

----- Original Message -----

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com <= /font>

Sent: Saturday, October= 13, 2001 12:25 AM

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET DIRECTION

 

Well = Ed, I am holding over the weekend, so obviously "someone" is confident
that this is at least a valid short term rally and the potential birth of a=
new bull. You as well as I know the reason for today's selloff was the
anthrax news and not anything to do with bad economic or company news. And =
the markets were due for a selloff after yesterday's absurd gains. Plus the=
DOW and NASDAQ at least (and probably other indexes as well) closed well off their lows for the day, and the NASDAQ was UP. So I fail to see any
gloom and/or doom and I thoroughly reject the bear that you so dearly cling=
to. Sounds like sour grapes from someone who was badly burned in the
"bubble", IMHO.

P.S. I for one an feeling celebratory after the buyout of my company and a =
big fat check in the bank. Got a little wild tonight with my first piercing=
at age 35. Whoo hoo!  (Christ it hurts!)

At 05:31 PM 10/12/2001 -0700, you wrote:

> > M not looking good.
> >
> > Noone holding over weekend.
> >
> > So much for the Bear Rally.
> >
> > Get ready for the retest.
> >
> > Hug the Bear!!!
> >
> > Call me crazy
> > Ed
> >

Tim Fisher
Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site
Pacific Fishery Biologists Information
mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com
WWW http://OreRockOn.com


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15458.B7E296A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Chia Subject: [CANSLIM] CPHD Date: 14 Oct 2001 10:44:29 +0800 Hi all, Is anyone looking at CPHD? Would like to hear your views on this Regards, Dennis - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Chia Subject: [CANSLIM] VISG Upgrade? Date: 14 Oct 2001 10:58:24 +0800 Hi all, Got this from a yahoo visg msg board. Is this true? I can't verify this as i don't have access to IBD. I got into VISG at $13 from a mention from Surindra on this CANSLIM list. I know its probably the wrong way to invest but i just went into it as a gamble .. really! >In Fridays IBD! > >Goldman Sachs Strong Buy Price Target $56 >Deutsche Bc Alex. Br Strong Buy Price Target $68 >Merrill Lynch Strong Buy Price Target $66 >Lehman Brothers Strong Buy Price Target $75 Regards, Dennis - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPHD Date: 13 Oct 2001 21:12:52 -0600 Definitely not a CANSLIM stock. Maybe a year from now if CPHD actually starts getting some actual revenues in from the perceived new revenue stream due to the increased focus on the vulnerability of the US to random biological attacks it might come up on a CANSLIM screen as a turn around opportunity. The latest quarter would have to show a sharp increase in earnings over the same quarter previous year...like over 100%. Two quarters in a row of sharp increases would be even better. At 10:44 AM 10/14/01 +0800, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Is anyone looking at CPHD? Would like to hear your views on this > > >Regards, >Dennis > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Adair" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List Date: 13 Oct 2001 23:27:46 -0500 Hi Tim This is a lot of data. It must have taken a lot of time to accumulate it all . how did you get all this data. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:43 PM Here is what I will be watching next week! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Lucero" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH/Limit Orders Date: 13 Oct 2001 21:41:21 -0700 I think what you're describing is more like a stop order than a limit order. If a stock is trading at 17 and you think the breakout price is 17.50, you can place a buy stop at 17.50, and if it gets that high you'll buy it. If if made it to 18 and you missed it and want to buy it if it drops, you can place a buy limit order at 17.50 and if it drops that far, you *may* buy some of it. The limit order places a limit on how much you will pay. The high volume would factor into the breakout day, not as it's falling back. Then you'd like lower volume. If you use a buy stop and buy a stock that didn't have high enough volume for you, you could sell it in the morning, or trail a very tight sell stop on it to get rid of it when it stops going up. Mike ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 6:35 PM > I liked USPH and bought it but think I missed the correct buy point it was > at 18.24 when I purchased it probably the right spot was 17.30, 5% over > would have been 18.16 maybe it will work out. I don't always have a chance > to check at work. > Someone mentioned limit orders. I know that means that you put the price > you want it and if it hits that price you have it. What I cant seem to work > out is the volume factor. The stock is supposed to get up there on high > volume. A limit order does not help with that. I guess the only answer is to > be able to watch it. Any suggestions. > > Thanks > Charlie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:20 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > I am watching it. Did I say this was my "buy list"? No. An I recommending > you buy something on the list? Again no. I do not claim that my watch list > is anything more than that - a watch list. I own some of them, want to buy > some of them, and do not want to buy some of them. I am watching them. It > is #6 because its ERG is #6. Do I think it is buyable? Probably sometime in > the future. That's why I am _watching_ it. > > At 01:43 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > > >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I > > >would not seriously consider it now. > > > > > >Tim Fisher > > > >Your statement above; but why do you have it on your watch list posted > >today? You even have it listed # 6 of 58! Why watch it, if you will not > >buy it? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com] > >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:30 PM > >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > >At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >Tim posted: "Breaking out to what exactly?" > > > > > >The following two paragraphs and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper: > > > > > >U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep in its base. The > > >operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal > > >volume. > >I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very deep in the base. > > > > >U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month base, gaining 1.73 to > > >18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The operator of outpatient > > >physical therapy clinics is featured in today's Chart Watch. > > > > > >Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is not only about 52 week > > >highs. > >I see the "N" above. I was not aware of the News. When I said "no N" I > >didn't see a New High or News (two of many possible "Ns"). The fact that it > >is a valid CANSLIM breakout is your judgement. IBD did not make that > >judgement, not in what you quoted here. > > > > >Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples posts and spending more > > >time learning what CANSLIM is all about would increase your CANSLIM > > >investment return. > >Who/what/where did I slam? Examples please. He asked for input on USPH, I > >gave my opinion. That's what this forum is all about. > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Tim Fisher > > > [<mailto:TFisher@beak.com>mailto:TFisher@beak.com] > > >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM > > >To: Canslim > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > > > >Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of > > >the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is > > >no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the > > >50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. > > >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I > > >would not seriously consider it now. > > > > > >Tim Fisher > > > >Tim Fisher > >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > Tim Fisher > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > Pacific Fishery Biologists Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] VISG Upgrade? Date: 13 Oct 2001 22:10:54 -0700 35 99 ACA, technically strong, fundementally wouldn't be on most Canslimmer's lists. But then who am I to talk? I finally broke down and picked up some AMCC at 8.70 a week ago................the best stock I've ever bought so far, IBD reads 88 14 CBC. Showed up on TC 2000 with green balance of power for the first time in 9 months; I bought the next day. As far as bottom feeding breakouts, wouldn't one be better off with stronger fundies (EPS, SMR) and weaker technicals (RS, Acc/Diss) than the other way around? I know the mantra regarding leaving these alone, but there is some tremendous momentum with these stocks this past week......... Good luck everyone Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 7:58 PM > > Hi all, > > Got this from a yahoo visg msg board. Is this true? I can't verify this as i don't have access to IBD. I got into VISG at $13 from a mention from Surindra on this CANSLIM list. I know its probably the wrong way to invest but i just went into it as a gamble .. really! > > >In Fridays IBD! > > > >Goldman Sachs Strong Buy Price Target $56 > >Deutsche Bc Alex. Br Strong Buy Price Target $68 > >Merrill Lynch Strong Buy Price Target $66 > >Lehman Brothers Strong Buy Price Target $75 > > > Regards, > Dennis > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mhboatman@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPHD Date: 14 Oct 2001 01:28:32 EDT --part1_a5.1cd7c199.28fa7c80_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On a mad moment, I bought 300 shares @ $6.78 at 9:30 on 10/11, missed the top but sold at 3:30 on 10/12 at $7.74. The only reason that worked was because of the new anthrax scare at NBC on Friday. This is not a CANSLIM play. Most people would call it gambling without going to a casino. In fact the odds may be better in a casino. Will it open up on Monday? If so, how long will it stay up. Ask a day trader, I have no idea. Unless you feel sure there will be an outbreak of anthrax in the days/weeks ahead, or you have a really high risk tolerance -- stay away. I was lucky, I made a dollar or two and I am not going back any time soon. There are a lot better plays elsewhere with a fraction of the risk. Howard --part1_a5.1cd7c199.28fa7c80_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On a mad moment, I bought 300 shares @ $6.78 at 9:30 on 10/11, missed the top but sold at 3:30 on 10/12 at $7.74.  The only reason that worked was because of the new anthrax scare at NBC on Friday.  

This is not a CANSLIM play.  Most people would call it gambling without going to a casino.  In fact the odds may be better in a casino.  Will it open up on Monday?  If so, how long will it stay up.  Ask a day trader, I have no idea.

Unless you feel sure there will be an outbreak of anthrax in the days/weeks ahead, or you have a really high risk tolerance -- stay away.  I was lucky, I made a dollar or two and I am not going back any time soon.  There are a lot better plays elsewhere with a fraction of the risk.

Howard --part1_a5.1cd7c199.28fa7c80_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dennis Chia Subject: [CANSLIM] BEAV Charts Date: 14 Oct 2001 15:19:58 +0800 Hi Canslimers, Comments on BEAV chart? Isn't a cup and handle forming ..... does the technicals indicate a breakout soon? http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/javachart/javachart.asp?symb=beav&time=&freq= Regards, Dennis - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BEAV Charts Date: 14 Oct 2001 05:28:44 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C15471.17CF8C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dennis, Yes, a cup and handle may have formed, but note that the stock was = declining prior to the attack. With the reduction in air travel, most = airlines are reducing flights and retiring or mothballing aircraft. I = would expect aircraft manufacturers are already seeing an increase in = order cancellations, and a slowing of new business. All that aside tho, with an RS of only 18, and EPS of only 82, there = are much better candidates out there. On top of that, the forecast for = the present year (ending next Feb) is for an 18% decline in earnings. = Since the first two qtrs showed strong growth, that suggests the next = two will be very ugly. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Chia=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 3:19 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] BEAV Charts Hi Canslimers, Comments on BEAV chart? Isn't a cup and handle forming ..... does the = technicals indicate a breakout soon? = http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/javachart/javachart.asp?symb=3Dbeav&time= =3D&freq=3D Regards, Dennis - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C15471.17CF8C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dennis,
 
Yes, a cup and handle may have formed, but note that = the stock=20 was declining prior to the attack. With the reduction in air travel, = most=20 airlines are reducing flights and retiring or mothballing aircraft. I = would=20 expect aircraft manufacturers are already seeing an increase in order=20 cancellations, and a slowing of new business.
 
All that aside tho, with an RS of only 18, and EPS = of only=20 82, there are much better candidates out there. On top of that, the = forecast for=20 the present year (ending next Feb) is for an 18% decline in earnings. = Since the=20 first two qtrs showed strong growth, that suggests the next two will be = very=20 ugly.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 = 3:19=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] BEAV = Charts


Hi Canslimers,

Comments on BEAV chart? Isn't = a cup=20 and handle forming ..... does the technicals indicate a breakout=20 soon?

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/javachart/j= avachart.asp?symb=3Dbeav&time=3D&freq=3D


Regards,<= BR>Dennis


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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C15471.17CF8C40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Adair" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] BEAV Charts Date: 14 Oct 2001 08:04:15 -0500 I wonder what you are looking at. Metastock to me indicates the pivot would be at about 16. It looks to me it is just about heading up the right side. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Chia Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 2:20 AM Hi Canslimers, Comments on BEAV chart? Isn't a cup and handle forming ..... does the technicals indicate a breakout soon? http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/javachart/javachart.asp?symb=beav&time=&fre q= Regards, Dennis - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: [CANSLIM] ANSS pop and flop? Date: 14 Oct 2001 06:43:37 -0700 (PDT) ANSS poped on average volume on 10/8 and flopped on 10/9. Is the pivot still the same as before (19.57 on the left flat)? Thanks Kent Norman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List Date: 14 Oct 2001 08:56:36 -0700 It's from the HGS Mining Co. which has been discussed on here before. At 11:27 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tim >This is a lot of data. It must have taken a lot of time to accumulate it >all . how did you get all this data. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:43 PM >To: canslim@mail.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List > >Here is what I will be watching next week! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: playsomemore@orerockon.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List Date: 14 Oct 2001 07:35:14 -0700 It's from the HGS Mining Co. which has been discussed on here before. At 11:27 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tim >This is a lot of data. It must have taken a lot of time to accumulate it >all . how did you get all this data. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:43 PM >To: canslim@mail.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List > >Here is what I will be watching next week! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPHD Date: 14 Oct 2001 10:51:23 -0600 No, it doesn't make my list with an EPS at 58. I find it amazing that the ranking is even that high, given that the stock has never (AFAIK) earned anything, and isn't even predicted to earn anything for some time. No reason to put this one on any CANSLIM list. At 10:44 AM 10/14/01 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi all, > >Is anyone looking at CPHD? Would like to hear your views on this > > >Regards, >Dennis > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BEAV Charts Date: 14 Oct 2001 10:57:01 -0600 In a sharp downtrend, terrible RS, and the handle is WAY too low in the base to even consider. NOT a CANSLIM buy at this point, IMHO. At 03:19 PM 10/14/01 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi Canslimers, > >Comments on BEAV chart? Isn't a cup and handle forming ..... does the technicals indicate a breakout soon? > >http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/javachart/javachart.asp?symb=beav&time=&fr eq= > > >Regards, >Dennis > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ANSS pop and flop? Date: 14 Oct 2001 10:59:55 -0600 I wouldn't be interested in this one based on the last 4 qtrs and the industry group. But, from a pure technical standpoint, I would tend to call this one a "high handle" and move the pivot up above last week's high. I know others here prefer a lower entry, but my view is the higher entry is the better one (given the high volume you want to see.) At 06:43 AM 10/14/01 -0700, you wrote: >ANSS poped on average volume on 10/8 and flopped on >10/9. > >Is the pivot still the same as before (19.57 on the >left flat)? > >Thanks >Kent Norman > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 14 Oct 2001 13:16:58 -0600 On 13 Oct 01, at 11:29, Tim Fisher wrote: > At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: > > >Tim posted: "Breaking out to what exactly?" > > > >The following two paragraphs and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper: > > > >U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep in its base. The > >operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal > >volume. > I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very deep in the base. I haven't been following this one, but looked it up tonight after seeing the comments - it does not appear deep in the base, it is only a few points off the high set in May, the spike up on Friday, if not a breakout to an absolute new high, is at least a new high relative to the last couple of months, and the volume spike on Friday is pretty impressive. I also note that for the last 5 months the price has managed to stay above 15 save for a couple of brief dips under that level. Probably not a bad bet here with the recent market strength. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] VISG Upgrade? Date: 14 Oct 2001 13:16:58 -0600 Ignore analysts upgrades, downgrades, ratings. remember they all had buys on a lot of internet stocks as they lost 50 to 90% of their value. I think they wised up after those stocks had lost 90% of their value and suggested maybe it wasn't a good idea to own them anymore, very useful advice. On 14 Oct 01, at 10:58, Dennis Chia wrote: > > Hi all, > > Got this from a yahoo visg msg board. Is this true? I can't verify > this as i don't have access to IBD. I got into VISG at $13 from a > mention from Surindra on this CANSLIM list. I know its probably > the wrong way to invest but i just went into it as a gamble .. > really! > > >In Fridays IBD! > > > >Goldman Sachs Strong Buy Price Target $56 > >Deutsche Bc Alex. Br Strong Buy Price Target $68 > >Merrill Lynch Strong Buy Price Target $66 > >Lehman Brothers Strong Buy Price Target $75 > > > Regards, > Dennis > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: [CANSLIM] My Leaders List Date: 14 Oct 2001 13:20:00 -0600 Here are the stocks I'll be watching for the next week or so. I select these stocks by combining the IBD rankings into a single number, and this is the top 125 or so stocks. The list is ordered with the highest ranked stocks first. Please do your own DD and technical analysis. Standard disclaimer: I own BVF and CPRT. TARO BRO AJG AZO GISX BRL DYII GPI HRH ADVP FHRX USPH STRC MYL EASI NYCB QCBC ICLR IHSC PPDI MAGS BVF ORLY SASR RCGI FNFG FBC SDIX CPRT RGIS KNSY DORL JAKK MIKE GG KKD SRZ MDCI PRX WSH SAH ATK MOVI PORT RDY AHMH ESLT MATW MSA SFCC ICBC CNTL CRY DP AH ICUI BOKF CDCY BMET RESP HRBT LLL DKWD CKP DRMD FCN CYTC OFIX DAP RMD DME AGM KVA AMHC PZZA CDWC DCOM APPB DRS AMSG BPRX DIAN HELE GAIA CLKB CVBF RYAN ESRX FRED SONC MIMS HB PHCC KG IBCP ABC CAH FFIC STJ BKC SCFS WTFC HOC CACI SERO MMSI DRI STL NDN NNS PLB CBSA FDO KSL UCOR EPD FTO PNP KPP WEG TGX ACS RMCI SCSC BDAL SP - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Adair" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List Date: 14 Oct 2001 19:54:48 -0500 Can you give me an email of the HGS mining co Thanks -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of playsomemore@orerockon.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 9:35 AM It's from the HGS Mining Co. which has been discussed on here before. At 11:27 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tim >This is a lot of data. It must have taken a lot of time to accumulate it >all . how did you get all this data. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 12:43 PM >To: canslim@mail.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List > >Here is what I will be watching next week! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List Date: 14 Oct 2001 18:35:00 -0700 HGSMiningCo@aol.com At 07:54 PM 10/14/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Can you give me an email of the HGS mining co >Thanks > Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: [CANSLIM] Sort of Non-Canslim:Some low priced stocks (under 5 bucks) Date: 14 Oct 2001 20:13:41 -0600 To the right of the low priced stock I put one (that I own) and that's in the same group, according to DGO, and is the leader of the group or close to it and higher priced. All these under 5 stocks have RS > 90, EPS > 72, A/D of A or B or C. Just something a little different yet darn close to CANSLIM. I may even pick up a few or all of them....but I in no way shape or form recommend them..but who cares. BRLI 3.65 MIMS 13.19 TBUS 2.50 GTNR 21.10 ESMC 2.55 POSS 12.99 ISWI 4.18 MGAM 20.90 Due diligence? Aw...just buy'em. We're all gambling to some degree anyway... It will be interesting to see how the stocks compare to each other over the next few months. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VPAviator@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AHMH Date: 14 Oct 2001 22:18:04 EDT --part1_114.5feaaca.28fba15c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/13/01 2:00:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tim@orerockon.com writes: > Please get your facts straight before you post to this group. It is a $50 > million offering, not 50 million shares. There are 11.4 million shares > outstanding. Execs are offering 1.57 million of their shares, which at > $20.85 (the offering price) is worth $32 million. That leaves $18 million > at $21/shr = 850,000 shares to be added. Hardly the major dilution you > portrayed. I suggest you learn to actually read the SEC filings before you > comment on them. > Tim, Okay, point taken. A fifty-million share offering vs. nine million outstanding didn't make much sense . . . thanks for straightening me out. --part1_114.5feaaca.28fba15c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/13/01 2:00:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tim@orerockon.com writes:


Please get your facts straight before you post to this group. It is a $50
million offering, not 50 million shares. There are 11.4 million shares
outstanding. Execs are offering 1.57 million of their shares, which at
$20.85 (the offering price) is worth $32 million. That leaves $18 million
at $21/shr = 850,000 shares to be added. Hardly the major dilution you
portrayed. I suggest you learn to actually read the SEC filings before you
comment on them.

Tim,

Okay, point taken.  A fifty-million share offering vs. nine million outstanding didn't make much sense . . . thanks for straightening me out.


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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Fw: Has anyone else gotten this on ibd.com? Date: 14 Oct 2001 23:15:40 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C15506.23E41740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like you gotta pace yourself, Ann What a rip-off, and I thought DGO was tough!=20 Does IBD also restrict how fast you read the paper, or how quickly you = turn the pages?? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: CANSLIM Listserv=20 Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Fw: Has anyone else gotten this on ibd.com? SUBSCRIBER USE LIMITATIONS Subscriber's use of the Stock Checkup(TM) feature is limited to 300 = views and/or retrievals in each 24-hour period. 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Looks like you gotta pace yourself, Ann
 
What a rip-off, and I thought DGO was tough! =
 
Does IBD also restrict how fast you read the paper, = or how=20 quickly you turn the pages??
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
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------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C15506.23E41740-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Has anyone else gotten this on ibd.com? Date: 14 Oct 2001 21:33:40 -0600 Wow, you looked at more than 300 stocks in one day? Now that's dedication!! At 10:25 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Investors.com Members may view up to 300 Stock Checkups within a 24 hour >period. Your limit has been reached. > >Your Stock Checkup access will be reset beginning at 12 A.M. Pacific time >tomorrow. >We hope this does not cause any inconvenience. IBD Stock Checkup is an >exclusive product available only to Investor's Business Daily print >subscribers. >IBD subscribers also have exclusive access to IBD Charts, Screen Of The Day >and My Stock List. > >For further information on Stock Checkup quantity limitations, please refer >to the Terms and Conditions of Use > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] I am new here and would like to say hello to everybody ... Date: 15 Oct 2001 12:44:33 +0200 Hi, I am new here and would like to say hello to everybody. My Name is Andreas Himmelreich, I live in Germany. I used to work for SAP and Siebel, but decided to cash in and to live as a trader (investor). So far I think this was one of the best decisions I ever made, but time will tell. I am in the market since 1996 and since some months ago I used strictly fundamentals. Came to know O' Neil and David Ryan from "Market Wizards" (J. Schwager). After reading the books from O' Neil I was hooked. I use three strategies: - CANSLIM - Turnaround: Its basically CANSLIM but I do not care about the Relative Strength (CHKP is such a turnaround story) but look for high momentum and only the best fundamentals. I only use this strategy in turnaround situations like now (or like in April, or in Fall 1998 etc.) - Shorting Indices (whenever there is a bear market identified by O'Neil) I have subscribed to http://www.growthstockanalytics.com/ and Daily Graphs. If anyone needs a stock checkup, just send me an email to judgejimmy@web.de. Unfortunately I can not subscribe IDB, they do not send their stuff to Germany (yet!). My Holdings right now: FHRX (27) DFXI (22) CHKP (30) (not a Canslim stock actually, RS is not high enough ...) Some German Stocks, that would be no value for you ... Looking forward working with you together. Anyone around here, that is trading, investing for a living, e.g. full time? Thank you and best Regards Andreas Himmelreich Friedrich - Ebert - Strasse 141 (Street Adress) 34119 Kassel (ZIP and City) Germany Judgejimmy@web.de www.Andreashimmelreich.de (a free investor letter (in German language) for friends of mine ...) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I am new here and would like to say hello to everybody ... Date: 15 Oct 2001 06:52:43 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C15545.FDEA9C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guten Tag, Andreas, Welcommen, this is a good place for CANSLIMers, although it has been a = little quiet lately. I work for a Miami, Florida branch of a German bank with Head Office in = Hamburg. I wish my Deutsche was as good as your English! Gru=DF, =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Himmelreich=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:44 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] I am new here and would like to say hello to = everybody ... Hi, I am new here and would like to say hello to everybody. My Name is Andreas Himmelreich, I live in Germany. I used to work for = SAP=20 and Siebel, but decided to cash in and to live as a trader (investor). So far I think this was one of the best decisions I ever made, but = time=20 will tell. I am in the market since 1996 and since some months ago I = used=20 strictly fundamentals. Came to know O' Neil and David Ryan from "Market Wizards" (J. = Schwager).=20 After reading the books from O' Neil I was hooked. I use three strategies: - CANSLIM - Turnaround: Its basically CANSLIM but I do not care about the = Relative=20 Strength (CHKP is such a turnaround story) but look for high momentum = and=20 only the best fundamentals. I only use this strategy in turnaround=20 situations like now (or like in April, or in Fall 1998 etc.) - Shorting Indices (whenever there is a bear market identified by = O'Neil) I have subscribed to http://www.growthstockanalytics.com/ and Daily = Graphs.=20 If anyone needs a stock checkup, just send me an email to=20 judgejimmy@web.de. Unfortunately I can not subscribe IDB, they do not = send=20 their stuff to Germany (yet!). My Holdings right now: FHRX (27) DFXI (22) CHKP (30) (not a Canslim stock actually, RS is not high enough ...) Some German Stocks, that would be no value for you ... Looking forward working with you together. Anyone around here, that is trading, investing for a living, e.g. full = time? Thank you and best Regards Andreas Himmelreich Friedrich - Ebert - Strasse 141 (Street Adress) 34119 Kassel (ZIP and City) Germany Judgejimmy@web.de www.Andreashimmelreich.de (a free investor letter (in German language) = for=20 friends of mine ...) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C15545.FDEA9C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guten Tag, Andreas,
 
Welcommen,  this is a good place for = CANSLIMers, although=20 it has been a little quiet lately.
 
I work for a Miami, Florida branch of a German bank = with Head=20 Office in Hamburg. I wish my Deutsche was as good as your = English!
 
Gru=DF,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andreas = Himmelreich
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 6:44=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] I am new = here and=20 would like to say hello to everybody ...

Hi,

I am new here and would like to say hello to = everybody.

My Name is Andreas Himmelreich, I live in Germany. I = used to=20 work for SAP
and Siebel, but decided to cash in and to live as a = trader=20 (investor).
So far I think this was one of the best decisions I = ever made,=20 but time
will tell. I am in the market since 1996 and since some = months=20 ago I used
strictly fundamentals.

Came to know O' Neil and = David=20 Ryan from "Market Wizards" (J. Schwager).
After reading the books = from O'=20 Neil I was hooked.

I use three strategies:

- = CANSLIM
-=20 Turnaround: Its basically CANSLIM but I do not care about the Relative =
Strength (CHKP is such a turnaround story) but look for high = momentum and=20
only the best fundamentals. I only use this strategy in turnaround =
situations like now (or like in April, or in Fall 1998 etc.)
- = Shorting=20 Indices (whenever there is a bear market identified by = O'Neil)

I have=20 subscribed to http://www.growthstockanaly= tics.com/=20 and Daily Graphs.
If anyone needs a stock checkup, just send me an = email=20 to
judgejimmy@web.de. = Unfortunately=20 I can not subscribe IDB, they do not send
their stuff to Germany=20 (yet!).

My Holdings right now:

FHRX (27)
DFXI = (22)
CHKP=20 (30) (not a Canslim stock actually, RS is not high enough ...)
Some = German=20 Stocks, that would be no value for you ...

Looking forward = working with=20 you together.

Anyone around here, that is trading, investing = for a=20 living, e.g. full
time?

Thank you and best = Regards

Andreas=20 Himmelreich
Friedrich - Ebert - Strasse 141 (Street = Adress)
34119 Kassel=20 (ZIP and City)
Germany
Judgejimmy@web.de
www.Andreashimmelreich.de = (a free=20 investor letter (in German language) for
friends of mine=20 ...)


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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C15545.FDEA9C40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Sort of Non-Canslim:Some low priced stocks (under 5 bucks) with canslim characteristics Date: 15 Oct 2001 06:58:21 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C15546.C7275580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Doug, One of the many (and frequent) differences between low priced stocks and = their higher priced cousins is the lack of earnings forecasts on the low = priced ones. This means not only more work for the investor, but more = knowledge and effort. A second and very important difference is that most funds, even small = cap growth funds, will not buy low priced stocks. Their scans will = exclude them, so they won't even see them. I absolutely disagree that an investor should not bother with his or her = own due diligence. I do agree that those that fail to do this are = increasing the gambling aspects and decreasing the investment aspects. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Sort of Non-Canslim:Some low priced stocks (under 5 = bucks) with canslim characteristics To the right of the low priced stock I put one (that I own) and that's = in=20 the same group, according to DGO, and is the leader of the group or = close=20 to it and higher priced. All these under 5 stocks have RS > 90, EPS > = 72,=20 A/D of A or B or C. Just something a little different yet darn close = to=20 CANSLIM. I may even pick up a few or all of them....but I in no way = shape=20 or form recommend them..but who cares. BRLI 3.65 MIMS 13.19 TBUS 2.50 GTNR 21.10 ESMC 2.55 POSS 12.99 ISWI 4.18 MGAM 20.90 Due diligence? Aw...just buy'em. We're all gambling to some degree = anyway... It will be interesting to see how the stocks compare to each other = over the=20 next few months. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C15546.C7275580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Doug,
 
One of the many (and frequent) differences between = low priced=20 stocks and their higher priced cousins is the lack of earnings forecasts = on the=20 low priced ones. This means not only more work for the investor, but = more=20 knowledge and effort.
 
A second and very important difference is that most = funds,=20 even small cap growth funds, will not buy low priced stocks. Their scans = will=20 exclude them, so they won't even see them.
 
I absolutely disagree that an investor should not = bother with=20 his or her own due diligence. I do agree that those that fail to do this = are=20 increasing the gambling aspects and decreasing the investment=20 aspects.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 = 10:13=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Sort of=20 Non-Canslim:Some low priced stocks (under 5 bucks) with canslim=20 characteristics

To the right of the low priced stock I put one (that I own) and = that's in=20
the same group, according to DGO, and is the leader of the group = or close=20
to it and higher priced. All these under 5 stocks have RS > 90, = EPS=20 > 72,
A/D of A or B or C. Just something a little different yet = darn=20 close to
CANSLIM. I may even pick up a few or all of them....but I = in no=20 way shape
or form recommend them..but who cares.

BRLI 3.65 = MIMS=20 13.19
TBUS 2.50 GTNR 21.10
ESMC 2.55 POSS 12.99
ISWI 4.18 = MGAM=20 20.90

Due diligence? Aw...just buy'em. We're all gambling to = some=20 degree anyway...

It will be interesting to see how the stocks = compare=20 to each other over the
next few months.

 
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C15546.C7275580-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Has anyone else gotten this on ibd.com? Date: 15 Oct 2001 07:25:15 -0400 I really don't think I looked at that many! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 11:12 PM : So you've been busy! (g) : : -Bill : : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Ann" : To: "CANSLIM Listserv" : Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 7:25 PM : Subject: [CANSLIM] Has anyone else gotten this on ibd.com? : : : > : > : > : > Investors.com Members may view up to 300 Stock Checkups within a 24 hour : > period. Your limit has been reached. : > : > Your Stock Checkup access will be reset beginning at 12 A.M. Pacific time : > tomorrow. : > We hope this does not cause any inconvenience. IBD Stock Checkup is an : > exclusive product available only to Investor's Business Daily print : > subscribers. : > IBD subscribers also have exclusive access to IBD Charts, Screen Of The : Day : > and My Stock List. : > : > For further information on Stock Checkup quantity limitations, please : refer : > to the Terms and Conditions of Use : > : > : > : > : > - : > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Has anyone else gotten this on ibd.com? Date: 15 Oct 2001 07:25:50 -0400 As I said before, I don't think I did!! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 11:33 PM : Wow, you looked at more than 300 stocks in one day? Now that's dedication!! : : : At 10:25 PM 10/14/01 -0400, you wrote: : > : > : > : >Investors.com Members may view up to 300 Stock Checkups within a 24 hour : >period. Your limit has been reached. : > : >Your Stock Checkup access will be reset beginning at 12 A.M. Pacific time : >tomorrow. : >We hope this does not cause any inconvenience. IBD Stock Checkup is an : >exclusive product available only to Investor's Business Daily print : >subscribers. : >IBD subscribers also have exclusive access to IBD Charts, Screen Of The Day : >and My Stock List. : > : >For further information on Stock Checkup quantity limitations, please refer : >to the Terms and Conditions of Use : > : > : > : > : >- : >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : > : > : : - : -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" : -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or : -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. : - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward McDonough" Subject: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Date: 15 Oct 2001 07:57:47 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1554F.154E12A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Just back from a weekend boating near Anthrax Central. (Don't inhale as you read this.) What a magnificent weekend!! Tom, like you I'm having a wonderful year. In my earlier post I simply mentioned I believe the bear market rally was ending and we will retest. In the meantime, there's certainly money to be made on individ. stocks. I simply see our bubble culminating when mkt P/E's hit 15-17. Judging from the reaction I got from my simple post, I'm encouraged. I know Won minimizes P/E's for individ. stocks yet they can be quite useful when judging M. Besides M simply filled the post 9/11 GAP (largely an earnings week driven rally and window dressing rally). A better question is why do you think this follow through wil hold when all follow through days prior have failed for the past 1 1/2 years? (The answer doesn't matter, it's simply one's opinion. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.) Remember, the trend is your friend!! Good Luck!! Opinion makes the world go round. Time to step to the pay window. Play to win!!! Hug the Bear. Call me crazy ED ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1554F.154E12A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom,
 
Just=20 back from a weekend boating near Anthrax
Central. (Don't inhale as you read=20 this.)
What a=20 magnificent weekend!!
 
Tom,=20 like you I'm having a wonderful year. In my
earlier post I simply mentioned I believe the = bear
market=20 rally was ending  and we will retest. In the
meantime, there's certainly money to be made=20
on=20 individ. stocks. 
 
I=20 simply see our bubble culminating when mkt
P/E's=20 hit 15-17.  Judging from the reaction I got
from=20 my simple post, I'm encouraged. I know
Won=20 minimizes P/E's for individ. stocks yet
they=20 can be quite useful when judging M. 
 
Besides M simply filled the post 9/11=20 GAP
(largely an earnings week driven rally=20 and
window=20 dressing rally).
 
A=20 better question is why do you think this
follow=20 through wil hold when all follow through
days=20 prior have failed for the past 1 1/2 years?
(The=20 answer doesn't matter, it's simply one's
opinion. I could be wrong, you could be=20 wrong.
Nothing more, nothing = less.)
 
Remember, the trend is your=20 friend!!
Good=20 Luck!!
 
Opinion makes the world go = round.
 
Time=20 to step to the pay window.
 
Play=20 to win!!!
 
Hug=20 the Bear.
 
Call=20 me crazy
ED
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1554F.154E12A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Date: 15 Oct 2001 08:22:06 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C15552.7A44E820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ed, You are correct, none of us really knows what the next weeks, or next = months, may look like. Likewise, none of us "innocents" know what Osama = and the Taliban have planned for us (or haven't planned) for new = adventures. I am not convinced that the Anthrax outbreaks are anything = more than home grown American crazies. But time (and the FBI) will tell = on that issue as well. Over the prior two years, most follow through days were marked by a = single major index. Often, another major index was contradictory. In = some cases, a second major index followed thru within a day or so. In = some of those cases, the volume failed to pass ADV (even tho that is not = an absolute requirement, I prefer it).=20 We have now had three (if I haven't lost count) major follow thru days. = In each case, there were multiple major indexes confirming on the same = day. And in each case the volume well exceeded ADV. Add to that the = several trillion dollars of cash sitting on the sidelines waiting for an = excuse to get back in. Combine that with major short positions, some of = which are now being covered. And then there are some positive signs that = some of the tech stocks have bottomed, and are raising forecasts for Q4 = and 2002. Despite the horrific affect of the attacks on 9/11 on human = life, property, emotions, economy, etc., stock prices have mostly = recovered, consumer sentiment is improving, and retail sales were not as = bad as originally expected. We still wait on the Q3 GDP to get an = overall picture. I see a lot of value in the markets right now, whether you look at = small, medium or large cap stocks. The trailing PE on the S&P500 has = come down to the lowest it's been in several years, and is likely to = fall further for the next one or two months. But this kind of economic = slowdown, combined with massive layoffs, also means that corporations = get lean and mean, resulting in restoration of earnings growth that much = faster as the economy picks up (and I truly expect that). And as = earnings start picking up, they have easy year to year comparisons, to = further expand expectations. So, I am cautiously bullish, and have 15 buy orders and only one sell = order already entered for my VR fund for this morning. Over half of the = buy orders are market, contrary to the past few weeks when I used limit = orders almost exclusively. As for a retest, we may have already had it in September, caused in part = by the cowardly attacks. In other words, the April lows were retested, = and failed, and new lows achieved, but exasperated by a major event. = There is no guarantee that the Sept lows won't retest, but we are = heading into a period when the markets are traditionally strong, so I = find that unlikely given the strength of the recovery after the events = of 9/11. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Edward McDonough=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Tom, =20 Just back from a weekend boating near Anthrax=20 Central. (Don't inhale as you read this.) What a magnificent weekend!! =20 Tom, like you I'm having a wonderful year. In my=20 earlier post I simply mentioned I believe the bear market rally was ending and we will retest. In the=20 meantime, there's certainly money to be made=20 on individ. stocks. =20 =20 I simply see our bubble culminating when mkt P/E's hit 15-17. Judging from the reaction I got from my simple post, I'm encouraged. I know=20 Won minimizes P/E's for individ. stocks yet they can be quite useful when judging M. =20 =20 Besides M simply filled the post 9/11 GAP (largely an earnings week driven rally and window dressing rally). =20 A better question is why do you think this follow through wil hold when all follow through days prior have failed for the past 1 1/2 years? (The answer doesn't matter, it's simply one's=20 opinion. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.) =20 Remember, the trend is your friend!! Good Luck!! =20 Opinion makes the world go round. =20 Time to step to the pay window. =20 Play to win!!! =20 Hug the Bear. =20 Call me crazy=20 ED =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C15552.7A44E820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ed,
 
You are correct, none of us really knows what the = next weeks,=20 or next months, may look like. Likewise, none of us "innocents" know = what Osama=20 and the Taliban have planned for us (or haven't planned) for new = adventures. I=20 am not convinced that the Anthrax outbreaks are anything more than home = grown=20 American crazies. But time (and the FBI) will tell on that issue as=20 well.
 
Over the prior two years, most follow through days = were marked=20 by a single major index. Often, another major index was contradictory. = In some=20 cases, a second major index followed thru within a day or so. In some of = those=20 cases, the volume failed to pass ADV (even tho that is not an absolute=20 requirement, I prefer it).
 
We have now had three (if I haven't lost count) = major follow=20 thru days. In each case, there were multiple major indexes confirming on = the=20 same day. And in each case the volume well exceeded ADV. Add to that the = several=20 trillion dollars of cash sitting on the sidelines waiting for an excuse = to get=20 back in. Combine that with major short positions, some of which are now = being=20 covered. And then there are some positive signs that some of the tech = stocks=20 have bottomed, and are raising forecasts for Q4 and 2002. Despite the = horrific=20 affect of the attacks on 9/11 on human life, property, emotions, = economy, etc.,=20 stock prices have mostly recovered, consumer sentiment is improving, and = retail=20 sales were not as bad as originally expected. We still wait on the Q3 = GDP to get=20 an overall picture.
 
I see a lot of value in the markets right now, = whether you=20 look at small, medium or large cap stocks. The trailing PE on the = S&P500 has=20 come down to the lowest it's been in several years, and is likely to = fall=20 further for the next one or two months. But this kind of economic = slowdown,=20 combined with massive layoffs, also means that corporations get lean and = mean,=20 resulting in restoration of earnings growth that much faster as the = economy=20 picks up (and I truly expect that). And as earnings start picking up, = they have=20 easy year to year comparisons, to further expand = expectations.
 
So, I am cautiously bullish, and have 15 buy orders = and only=20 one sell order already entered for my VR fund for this morning. Over = half of the=20 buy orders are market, contrary to the past few weeks when I used limit = orders=20 almost exclusively.
 
As for a retest, we may have already had it in = September,=20 caused in part by the cowardly attacks. In other words, the April lows = were=20 retested, and failed, and new lows achieved, but exasperated by a major = event.=20 There is no guarantee that the Sept lows won't retest, but we are = heading into a=20 period when the markets are traditionally strong, so I find that = unlikely given=20 the strength of the recovery after the events of 9/11.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Edward=20 McDonough
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 7:57=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Market = Direction

Tom,
 
Just=20 back from a weekend boating near Anthrax
Central. (Don't inhale as you read=20 this.)
What=20 a magnificent weekend!!
 
Tom,=20 like you I'm having a wonderful year. In my
earlier post I simply mentioned I believe = the=20 bear
market rally was ending  and we will = retest. In=20 the
meantime, there's certainly money to be = made=20
on=20 individ. stocks. 
 
I=20 simply see our bubble culminating when mkt
P/E's hit 15-17.  Judging from the = reaction I=20 got
from=20 my simple post, I'm encouraged. I know
Won=20 minimizes P/E's for individ. stocks yet
they=20 can be quite useful when judging M. 
 
Besides M simply filled the post 9/11=20 GAP
(largely an earnings week driven rally=20 and
window dressing rally).
 
A=20 better question is why do you think this
follow through wil hold when all follow=20 through
days=20 prior have failed for the past 1 1/2 years?
(The=20 answer doesn't matter, it's simply one's
opinion. I could be wrong, you could be=20 wrong.
Nothing more, nothing = less.)
 
Remember, the trend is your=20 friend!!
Good=20 Luck!!
 
Opinion makes the world go = round.
 
Time=20 to step to the pay window.
 
Play=20 to win!!!
 
Hug=20 the Bear.
 
Call=20 me crazy
ED
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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I get them all the time while searching for the top five in their respective industries.  Usually it will let you know as you approach 300 by displaying the current number so stocks viewed in the upper left hand corner.  It doesn't show up though when you print.  It would be nice if IBD.com had a print friendly button for the stock screener.
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Looks like you gotta pace yourself, Ann
 
What a rip-off, and I thought DGO was tough!
 
Does IBD also restrict how fast you read the paper, or how quickly you turn the pages??
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C15574.14C24D90-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Date: 15 Oct 2001 05:27:10 -0700 Who window dresses AFTER the start of the quarter? When did this become a common practice? Earnings were just starting to trickle in, and I saw no earnings-driven rallies among the CANSLIM stocks I watch. Earnings really kick in this week. Indeed, I saw the opposite on my stocks - sell on the news. The indices I watch have yet to fill the post-9.11 gap, therefore if you believe in gap-filling, the DOW, RUT, and NYSE Comp still have a ways to go. And the fact that F/T days have largely failed (not all of them have failed, we had a decent F/T in the spring followed by a nice rally) has nothing to do with the present situation. We have not had such a string of F/T days in the past 2+ years that I can recall. The only thing that can bring this market down (IMHO!) is external events. The whole 9.11 event being the major wildcard. There are such things as _uninformed_ opinions, IMO. At 07:57 AM 10/15/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Tom, > >Just back from a weekend boating near Anthrax >Central. (Don't inhale as you read this.) >What a magnificent weekend!! > >Tom, like you I'm having a wonderful year. In my >earlier post I simply mentioned I believe the bear >market rally was ending and we will retest. In the >meantime, there's certainly money to be made >on individ. stocks. > >I simply see our bubble culminating when mkt >P/E's hit 15-17. Judging from the reaction I got >from my simple post, I'm encouraged. I know >Won minimizes P/E's for individ. stocks yet >they can be quite useful when judging M. > >Besides M simply filled the post 9/11 GAP >(largely an earnings week driven rally and >window dressing rally). > >A better question is why do you think this >follow through wil hold when all follow through >days prior have failed for the past 1 1/2 years? >(The answer doesn't matter, it's simply one's >opinion. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. >Nothing more, nothing less.) > >Remember, the trend is your friend!! >Good Luck!! > >Opinion makes the world go round. > >Time to step to the pay window. > >Play to win!!! > >Hug the Bear. > >Call me crazy >ED > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Date: 15 Oct 2001 15:02:24 +0200 ED, "A better question is why do you think this follow through wil hold when all follow through days prior have failed for the past 1 1/2 years?" The more follow through days fail, the higher the probability that it is a valid one ... I also think, this was it, we will not test the lows again: - there is a lot of pesimism out there !!! Everybody is realy scared (me to !!!!), the best base for the next bullmarket - short sellers still think that we have not seen the bottom, they have the same problem to adapt to the new bullmarket as the bulls had problems adapting to the bear market 18 months ago - market action: only one distribution day in the last three weeks, otherwise the indices are up on high volume and down on lower volumne - 3 Trillion is sitt and wait to be invested in the market, Mutual Funds have 20 - 30% Cash right now and they are already angry that they missed the last 3 weeks !!! - In 92, the moment the politicians and the feds did actually say we are in a recession, the market turned for good - Oneil sounds bullish to me and he is the best market timer I know ... I do not say we will have a bull market that lasts 2 Years, but for the nexts months I am very bullish ... See you Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Edward McDonough [SMTP:emcdonough@rjfs.com] > Gesendet am: Montag, 15. Oktober 2001 13:58 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: [CANSLIM] Market Direction > > Tom, > > Just back from a weekend boating near Anthrax > Central. (Don't inhale as you read this.) > What a magnificent weekend!! > > Tom, like you I'm having a wonderful year. In my > earlier post I simply mentioned I believe the bear > market rally was ending and we will retest. In the > meantime, there's certainly money to be made > on individ. stocks. > > I simply see our bubble culminating when mkt > P/E's hit 15-17. Judging from the reaction I got > from my simple post, I'm encouraged. I know > Won minimizes P/E's for individ. stocks yet > they can be quite useful when judging M. > > Besides M simply filled the post 9/11 GAP > (largely an earnings week driven rally and > window dressing rally). > > A better question is why do you think this > follow through wil hold when all follow through > days prior have failed for the past 1 1/2 years? > (The answer doesn't matter, it's simply one's > opinion. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. > Nothing more, nothing less.) > > Remember, the trend is your friend!! > Good Luck!! > > Opinion makes the world go round. > > Time to step to the pay window. > > Play to win!!! > > Hug the Bear. > > Call me crazy > ED > > > > > > > > > > << Datei: ATT00004.htm >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT- is too extended Date: 15 Oct 2001 10:22:47 EDT --part1_16a.25f88e8.28fc4b37_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is CPRT too extended? to buy --part1_16a.25f88e8.28fc4b37_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is CPRT too extended? to buy --part1_16a.25f88e8.28fc4b37_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] market commentary Date: 15 Oct 2001 08:29:45 -0600 I normally wouldn't bother posting market commentary from other sources, but this commentary from Linda Raschke made some sense. I have a lot respect for her analytical skills (she was profiled in The New Market Wizards, btw), and this is something of a counterpoint to recent bullish talk here, just something to take into consideration. "The major trend is still down, but the weekly charts are working off a very oversold condition. There is no longer term bottom in place. When the major trend is UP, we tend to see V-spike bottoms such as the one in 1998. However, when the major trend is DOWN, as it is now, ultimately longer term basing action wil be needed before any trend reversal. This process could take many months, even years. For now, we are just three weeks off the recent low. The last correction to the upside lasted at least 8 weeks, so we could easily chop around for quite awhile more as the market continues to consolidate." http://www.mrci.com/lbr/charts/20011015/3.htm - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] CPRT- is too extended Date: 15 Oct 2001 16:33:37 +0200 I can not see a handle? I can not see a patern in CPRT, great Fundamentals though ... > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: BIKEAR@aol.com [SMTP:BIKEAR@aol.com] > Gesendet am: Montag, 15. Oktober 2001 16:23 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT- is too extended > > Is CPRT too extended? to buy > << Datei: ATT00001.htm >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Makara, Tamas" Subject: [CANSLIM] advp Date: 15 Oct 2001 16:43:03 +0200 moving Tamas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Jaenike Subject: [CANSLIM] possible advp breakout Date: 15 Oct 2001 07:45:34 -0700 (PDT) --0-1153083217-1003157134=:72990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ADVP might be breaking out from base on base. Volume almost half ADV now. Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. --0-1153083217-1003157134=:72990 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii ADVP might be breaking out from base on base. Volume almost half ADV now.


Do You Yahoo!?
Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. --0-1153083217-1003157134=:72990-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT- is too extended Date: 15 Oct 2001 08:46:52 -0600 I would say so. I see a cup like pattern from July to the start of October, but where you might like to see a pause, a handle, in the 28-30 price range, it just went straight through that level. So it has gone from 24 to 33 without much of a pause. You could look for something like a short flag or pennant to form here. On 15 Oct 01, at 10:22, BIKEAR@aol.com wrote: > Is CPRT too extended? to buy > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP B/O, MIKE Date: 15 Oct 2001 08:04:59 -0700 Getting there, now up to 77.70 so up +5% on 1/3 daily vol so far. Pivot is 76.60 for this short (5 week) C&H. Missed MIKE on Friday, nice B/O offa short C&H pivot 45 which was tested twice pre-9.11. Might pick up some today as it's still w/in 5%. P.S. Looked at USPH chart again this AM and I still hate it. For a real nice long base that broke out post-9.11 look at GTNR. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT- is too extended Date: 15 Oct 2001 10:08:58 -0600 Well, given the cup high of $31, I would set the pivot at 31.13. Using the WON 5% rule, the most you should spend would be $32.69. Given today's dip, you might be able to grab it in that range (if you still want to). At 10:22 AM 10/15/01 EDT, you wrote: >Is CPRT too extended? to buy - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT- is too extended Date: 15 Oct 2001 12:26:51 EDT --part1_10d.7138a72.28fc684b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks...I really like the fundamentals of this stock...I own epiq and up 30%..trying to make up for all the 7% that have added up...janis --part1_10d.7138a72.28fc684b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks...I really like the fundamentals of this stock...I own epiq and up 30%..trying to make up for all the 7% that have added up...janis --part1_10d.7138a72.28fc684b_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] mdci/epd Date: 15 Oct 2001 13:00:02 -0400 From a CANSLIM perspective would you consider these stocks in a base. The fundamentals look good to me but the chart confuses me. I am trying to use the strict rules laid out by WON for fundamentals. I have been noticing that few companies actually meet these. Should I consider last year an exception to the rules and ease off on the 25% gain over the previous years quarter and the 25% gain from this year to last year EPS. Thanks; Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP B/O, MIKE Date: 15 Oct 2001 13:14:23 EDT Tim: Tim: Would you explain what is it about USPH that disqualifies it so. Presently, I see that it is near resistance (which I make at about 22). It penetrated the up 200 MA and didn't look back; then it bumped off the 50 MA after penetrating it also. Its RS line looks in strong divergence from its previous highs since May; and, although-admittedly-it was in an obvious downtrend since May, last Friday it broke the downtrend line on heavy volume and a 2 point rise. Also, its Earnings (both Quarterly and Annually) are very nice as are are its sales. Therefore, I would really be interested in whyyou've analyzed it as a stock that doesn't look good. I am not being contentious (at least I don't mean to be), I just want to know what you see that I've ignored. Or is it a gut feeling, based on your experience with USPH? If it hits above 22 on high volume, do you think that you will you buy it again? jans In a message dated 10/15/2001 11:04:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TFisher@beak.com writes: << Looked at USPH chart again this AM and I still hate it. For a real nice long base that broke out post-9.11 look at GTNR >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 15 Oct 2001 12:25:45 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1559E.6CA79400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating ones opinions. However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, knifes and/or course sand paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time with your responses to other posts. My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new IPO in the past eight years constitutes an N. -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:30 PM At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Tim posted: "Breaking out to what exactly?" > >The following two paragraphs and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper: > >U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep in its base. The >operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal >volume. I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very deep in the base. >U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month base, gaining 1.73 to >18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The operator of outpatient >physical therapy clinics is featured in today's Chart Watch. > >Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is not only about 52 week >highs. I see the "N" above. I was not aware of the News. When I said "no N" I didn't see a New High or News (two of many possible "Ns"). The fact that it is a valid CANSLIM breakout is your judgement. IBD did not make that judgement, not in what you quoted here. >Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples posts and spending more >time learning what CANSLIM is all about would increase your CANSLIM >investment return. Who/what/where did I slam? Examples please. He asked for input on USPH, I gave my opinion. That's what this forum is all about. >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:TFisher@beak.com] >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM >To: Canslim >Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > >Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of >the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is >no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the >50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I >would not seriously consider it now. > >Tim Fisher ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1559E.6CA79400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [CANSLIM] USPH

Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating ones = opinions. However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, knifes = and/or course sand paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of the = time with your responses to other posts.

My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new IPO in the = past eight years constitutes an N.



-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:30 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH


At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Tim posted: "Breaking out to what = exactly?"
>
>The following two paragraphs and a chart are in = Mondays CANSLIM paper:
>
>U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere = deep in its base. The
>operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to = 18.30 in five times normal
>volume.
I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very = deep in the base.

>U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month = base, gaining 1.73 to
>18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The = operator of outpatient
>physical therapy clinics is featured in today's = Chart Watch.
>
>Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is = not only about 52 week
>highs.
I see the "N" above. I was not aware of = the News. When I said "no N" I
didn't see a New High or News (two of many possible = "Ns"). The fact that it
is a valid CANSLIM breakout is your judgement. IBD = did not make that
judgement, not in what you quoted here.

>Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples = posts and spending more
>time learning what CANSLIM is all about would = increase your CANSLIM
>investment return.
Who/what/where did I slam? Examples please. He asked = for input on USPH, I
gave my opinion. That's what this forum is all = about.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Fisher [<mailto:TFisher@beak.com>mailto:TFisher@beak.com]
>Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM
>To: Canslim
>Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH
>
>Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is = over 21. The bottom of
>the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a = cup per WON, and there is
>no N. All you can really say is that the pattern = of trading at/under the
>50 DMA that has been in place since July is = being broken to the upside.
>I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made = money off of it but I
>would not seriously consider it now.
>
>Tim Fisher

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1559E.6CA79400-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: [CANSLIM]Handles Date: 15 Oct 2001 12:30:44 -0500 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1559F.1EB453E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thought this was worthwhile. Ask Bill O'Neil Archives Sunday, October 14, 2001 "Is there any significance to where the handle is in relation to the stock's 50-day moving average? " - Submitted from Peoria, Ill. <<...OLE_Obj...>> Not really. What's more important is to determine if a base pattern is structurally sound. In a cup-with-handle base, it should be noted, the handle should be above the 200-day moving average. In most quality bases you will find the 50-day moving average above the 200-day line due to a general uptrend in the chart prior to the base formation. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1559F.1EB453E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [CANSLIM]Handles

Thought this was = worthwhile.
Ask Bill O'Neil = Archives
Sunday, October 14, = 2001
 
"Is there any = significance to where the handle is in relation to the stock's 50-day = moving average? " - = Submitted from
Peoria, Ill.=20
= <<...OLE_Obj...>>
Not really. What's more = important is to determine if a base pattern is structurally sound. In a = cup-with-handle base, it should be noted, the handle should be above = the 200-day moving average. In most quality bases you will find the = 50-day moving average above the 200-day line due to a general uptrend = in the chart prior to the base formation.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1559F.1EB453E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] mdci/epd Date: 15 Oct 2001 11:35:02 -0600 Where do you think you see a base in MDCI? It has just moved up from 15 to 20, a 33% gain in a few weeks, and even that move came out of a very short base, if it can be called that. Too extended in other words. If you want a fairly good example of what to look for, look at the base that formed in EPD from June to early August, I guess that is a saucer with handle, then a little breakout. Right now probably probably borderline on being buyable. On 15 Oct 01, at 13:00, Charles Cangialosi wrote: > > From a CANSLIM perspective would you consider these stocks in a base. The > fundamentals look good to me but the chart confuses me. > I am trying to use the strict rules laid out by WON for fundamentals. I have > been noticing that few companies actually meet these. Should I consider last > year an exception to the rules and ease off on the 25% gain over the > previous years quarter and the 25% gain from this year to last year EPS. > > Thanks; > > Charlie > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP B/O, MIKE Date: 15 Oct 2001 10:49:02 -0700 As Tom pointed out, it was in a long term downtrend until a week or so ago. A series of lower lows and lower highs does not a base make, IMHO. You yourself say as much. I guess I see no possible CANSLIM chart/base in this one. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of |Spencer48@aol.com |Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:14 AM |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com |Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP B/O, MIKE | | |Tim: | | Tim: | | Would you explain what is it about USPH that disqualifies it so. | | Presently, I see that it is near resistance (which I make |at about 22). |It penetrated the up 200 MA and didn't look back; then it |bumped off the 50 |MA after penetrating it also. Its RS line looks in strong |divergence from |its previous highs since May; and, although-admittedly-it was |in an obvious |downtrend since May, last Friday it broke the downtrend line |on heavy volume |and a 2 point rise. Also, its Earnings (both Quarterly and |Annually) are |very nice as are are its sales. | | Therefore, I would really be interested in whyyou've |analyzed it as a |stock that doesn't look good. I am not being contentious (at |least I don't |mean to be), I just want to know what you see that I've |ignored. Or is it a |gut feeling, based on your experience with USPH? | | If it hits above 22 on high volume, do you think that you |will you buy |it again? | |jans | | | |In a message dated 10/15/2001 11:04:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, |TFisher@beak.com writes: | |<< Looked at USPH chart again this AM and I still hate it. |For a real nice long base that broke out post-9.11 look at GTNR >> | |- |-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" |-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or |-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. | - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 15 Oct 2001 10:53:12 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C15567.959CFAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guess I don't see it that way. I hate to type so I am certainly terse most of the time. Certainly I tend to slam people touting non-CANSLIM stocks, OTC-BBs, bottom fishing, MOMO players (yourself included). If you don't like it then you have a delete key - I suggest you learn to use it. If you have a personal grudge I suggest you take it off the list, starting with this post, which was personal and therefore should not have been sent to the entire list. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dempsey, Chris Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:26 AM Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating ones opinions. However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, knifes and/or course sand paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time with your responses to other posts. My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new IPO in the past eight years constitutes an N. -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:30 PM At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Tim posted: "Breaking out to what exactly?" > >The following two paragraphs and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper: > >U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere deep in its base. The >operator of outpatient clinics shot up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal >volume. I agree wholeheartedly with that statement! Very deep in the base. >U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month base, gaining 1.73 to >18.30 on nearly five times normal trade. The operator of outpatient >physical therapy clinics is featured in today's Chart Watch. > >Obviously this is a CANSLIM breakout. CANSLIM is not only about 52 week >highs. I see the "N" above. I was not aware of the News. When I said "no N" I didn't see a New High or News (two of many possible "Ns"). The fact that it is a valid CANSLIM breakout is your judgement. IBD did not make that judgement, not in what you quoted here. >Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples posts and spending more >time learning what CANSLIM is all about would increase your CANSLIM >investment return. Who/what/where did I slam? Examples please. He asked for input on USPH, I gave my opinion. That's what this forum is all about. >-----Original Message----- >From: Tim Fisher [mailto:TFisher@beak.com] >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM >To: Canslim >Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > >Breaking out to what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of >the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per WON, and there is >no N. All you can really say is that the pattern of trading at/under the >50 DMA that has been in place since July is being broken to the upside. >I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off of it but I >would not seriously consider it now. > >Tim Fisher ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C15567.959CFAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Guess I don't see = it that=20 way.  I hate to type so I am certainly terse most of the time. = Certainly I=20 tend to slam people touting non-CANSLIM stocks, OTC-BBs, bottom fishing, = MOMO=20 players (yourself included). If you don't like it then you have a delete = key - I=20 suggest you learn to use it. If you have a personal grudge I suggest you = take it=20 off the list, starting with this post, which was personal and therefore = should=20 not have been sent to the entire list.

Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds=20 Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com=20

 
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On=20 Behalf Of Dempsey, Chris
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 10:26=20 AM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: = [CANSLIM]=20 USPH

Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating ones = opinions.=20 However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, knifes and/or = course sand=20 paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time with your = responses to=20 other posts.

My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new IPO in the = past=20 eight years constitutes an N.



-----Original Message-----
From: Tim=20 Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com] =
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:30 PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: = [CANSLIM]=20 USPH


At 12:51 PM 10/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Tim posted: "Breaking out to what = exactly?"=20
>
>The following = two paragraphs=20 and a chart are in Mondays CANSLIM paper:
>=20
>U.S. Physical Therapy broke out from somewhere = deep in=20 its base. The
>operator of outpatient = clinics shot=20 up 1.73 to 18.30 in five times normal
>volume.
I agree wholeheartedly = with that=20 statement! Very deep in the base.

>U.S. Physical Therapy surged out of a five-month = base,=20 gaining 1.73 to
>18.30 on nearly five = times normal=20 trade. The operator of outpatient
>physical therapy=20 clinics is featured in today's Chart Watch.
>
>Obviously this is a = CANSLIM breakout.=20 CANSLIM is not only about 52 week
>highs.=20
I see the "N" above. I was not aware of the News. = When I said=20 "no N" I
didn't see a New High or News (two = of many=20 possible "Ns"). The fact that it
is a valid = CANSLIM=20 breakout is your judgement. IBD did not make that
judgement, not in what you quoted here.

>Tim, spending less time slamming other peoples = posts and=20 spending more
>time learning what CANSLIM = is all=20 about would increase your CANSLIM
>investment=20 return.
Who/what/where did I slam? Examples = please. He=20 asked for input on USPH, I
gave my opinion. = That's=20 what this forum is all about.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Fisher [<mailto:TFisher@beak.com>mailto:TFisher@beak.com] =
>Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 10:22 AM
>To: Canslim
>Subject: = [CANSLIM]=20 USPH
>
>Breaking out to=20 what exactly? The 52 wk high is over 21. The bottom of =
>the base is under 12. That makes it too deep a cup per = WON, and=20 there is
>no N. All you can really say is = that the=20 pattern of trading at/under the
>50 DMA = that has=20 been in place since July is being broken to the upside. =
>I like USPH as I owned it a while ago and made money off = of it but=20 I
>would not seriously consider it = now.=20
>
>Tim = Fisher=20

------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C15567.959CFAD0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP B/O, MIKE Date: 16 Oct 2001 01:00:57 +0700 Tim, Do you consider MIKE CANSLIM? Earnings for the past three quarters aren't anything special. Are the increases small because of the litigation? I could overlook this if revenues were increasing big time, but they're not that great. At 08:04 AM 10/15/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Getting there, now up to 77.70 so up +5% on 1/3 daily vol so far. Pivot >is 76.60 for this short (5 week) C&H. Missed MIKE on Friday, nice B/O >offa short C&H pivot 45 which was tested twice pre-9.11. Might pick up >some today as it's still w/in 5%. > >P.S. Looked at USPH chart again this AM and I still hate it. For a real >nice long base that broke out post-9.11 look at GTNR. > >Tim Fisher >OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online >Tim@OreRockOn.com >http://OreRockOn.com > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]Handles Date: 15 Oct 2001 11:23:09 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C1556B.C5140610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [CANSLIM]HandlesChris, Thank you for posting this.=20 -Bill Holding USPH... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dempsey, Chris=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:30 AM Subject: [CANSLIM]Handles Thought this was worthwhile.=20 Ask Bill O'Neil Archives=20 Sunday, October 14, 2001 =20 "Is there any significance to where the handle is in relation to the = stock's 50-day moving average? " - Submitted from Peoria, Ill.=20 <<...OLE_Obj...>>=20 Not really. What's more important is to determine if a base pattern is = structurally sound. In a cup-with-handle base, it should be noted, the = handle should be above the 200-day moving average. In most quality bases = you will find the 50-day moving average above the 200-day line due to a = general uptrend in the chart prior to the base formation.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C1556B.C5140610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [CANSLIM]Handles
Chris,
 
Thank you for posting this. =
 
-Bill
 
Holding USPH...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dempsey, Chris =
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 10:30=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM]Handles

Thought this was=20 worthwhile.
Ask = Bill O'Neil=20 Archives
Sunday, October=20 14, 2001
 
"Is there any=20 significance to where the handle is in relation to the stock's 50-day = moving=20 average? " - Submitted from
Peoria,=20 Ill.
<<...OLE_Obj...>>
Not really. What's more important is to determine if a base = pattern is=20 structurally sound. In a cup-with-handle base, it should be noted, the = handle=20 should be above the 200-day moving average. In most quality bases you = will=20 find the 50-day moving average above the 200-day line due to a general = uptrend=20 in the chart prior to the base formation. =

------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C1556B.C5140610-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward McDonough" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Date: 15 Oct 2001 14:23:28 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C15584.F5E2A580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom, Enjoyed your bull case justification yet I choose to prefer the bear case. What the heck, here's just a little chum to chew on. Short covering fuel has been exhausted setting up for the institutional re-short post earnings/post gap fill. Lack of hoards of CANSLIM stocks breaking out to new high territory. Institutional buyers are trading not investing. Prefer to play the market maker position. E is suspect making P/E even more suspect!! (carries most weight!!) Pendulum has swung from GREED to FEAR. Real Fear will commence when new lows are established. V market bottoms unlikely in Bubble Bear Market. Trends persist longer than expected. Market will persist down till significant permabulls throw in the towel. Even WON hasn't published his one page "All Clear AD" on this one (to my knowledge). He got Peter Lynch to try today. (Remember these guys want to sell you something, could there be a conflict?) Tom, Could I be wrong, Sure. Could you be wrong, Sure. I simply like my chances!! I'll let the market tell me. In the meantime make "Mucho Dinero"!!! No hard feeling, just a difference of opinion. Gotta Run. Hug the bear!! Play to win!!! Call me crazy ED P.S. The Trend is your Friend. -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:22 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Hi Ed, You are correct, none of us really knows what the next weeks, or next months, may look like. Likewise, none of us "innocents" know what Osama and the Taliban have planned for us (or haven't planned) for new adventures. I am not convinced that the Anthrax outbreaks are anything more than home grown American crazies. But time (and the FBI) will tell on that issue as well. Over the prior two years, most follow through days were marked by a single major index. Often, another major index was contradictory. In some cases, a second major index followed thru within a day or so. In some of those cases, the volume failed to pass ADV (even tho that is not an absolute requirement, I prefer it). We have now had three (if I haven't lost count) major follow thru days. In each case, there were multiple major indexes confirming on the same day. And in each case the volume well exceeded ADV. Add to that the several trillion dollars of cash sitting on the sidelines waiting for an excuse to get back in. Combine that with major short positions, some of which are now being covered. And then there are some positive signs that some of the tech stocks have bottomed, and are raising forecasts for Q4 and 2002. Despite the horrific affect of the attacks on 9/11 on human life, property, emotions, economy, etc., stock prices have mostly recovered, consumer sentiment is improving, and retail sales were not as bad as originally expected. We still wait on the Q3 GDP to get an overall picture. I see a lot of value in the markets right now, whether you look at small, medium or large cap stocks. The trailing PE on the S&P500 has come down to the lowest it's been in several years, and is likely to fall further for the next one or two months. But this kind of economic slowdown, combined with massive layoffs, also means that corporations get lean and mean, resulting in restoration of earnings growth that much faster as the economy picks up (and I truly expect that). And as earnings start picking up, they have easy year to year comparisons, to further expand expectations. So, I am cautiously bullish, and have 15 buy orders and only one sell order already entered for my VR fund for this morning. Over half of the buy orders are market, contrary to the past few weeks when I used limit orders almost exclusively. As for a retest, we may have already had it in September, caused in part by the cowardly attacks. In other words, the April lows were retested, and failed, and new lows achieved, but exasperated by a major event. There is no guarantee that the Sept lows won't retest, but we are heading into a period when the markets are traditionally strong, so I find that unlikely given the strength of the recovery after the events of 9/11. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward McDonough To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Tom, Just back from a weekend boating near Anthrax Central. (Don't inhale as you read this.) What a magnificent weekend!! Tom, like you I'm having a wonderful year. In my earlier post I simply mentioned I believe the bear market rally was ending and we will retest. In the meantime, there's certainly money to be made on individ. stocks. I simply see our bubble culminating when mkt P/E's hit 15-17. Judging from the reaction I got from my simple post, I'm encouraged. I know Won minimizes P/E's for individ. stocks yet they can be quite useful when judging M. Besides M simply filled the post 9/11 GAP (largely an earnings week driven rally and window dressing rally). A better question is why do you think this follow through wil hold when all follow through days prior have failed for the past 1 1/2 years? (The answer doesn't matter, it's simply one's opinion. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.) Remember, the trend is your friend!! Good Luck!! Opinion makes the world go round. Time to step to the pay window. Play to win!!! Hug the Bear. Call me crazy ED ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C15584.F5E2A580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom,
 
Enjoyed your bull case justification yet I choose to=20 prefer
the=20 bear case.
 
What=20 the heck,  here's just a little chum to chew = on.
 
Short=20 covering fuel has been exhausted setting up for
the=20 institutional re-short post earnings/post gap fill.
 
Lack=20 of hoards of CANSLIM stocks breaking out to new
high=20 territory.
 
Institutional buyers are trading not = investing.
Prefer=20 to play the market maker position.
 
E is=20 suspect making P/E even more suspect!!
(carries most weight!!)
 
Pendulum has swung from GREED to FEAR.  =
Real=20 Fear will commence when new lows
are=20 established.
 
V=20 market bottoms unlikely in Bubble Bear Market.
 
Trends=20 persist longer than expected.
 
Market=20 will persist down till significant
permabulls throw in the towel.
 
Even=20 WON hasn't published his one page
"All=20 Clear AD" on this one (to my knowledge).
He got=20 Peter Lynch to try today. (Remember these=20 guys
want=20 to sell you something, could there
be a=20 conflict?) 
 
Tom,=20 Could I be wrong, Sure.  Could you be wrong,
Sure.  I simply like my chances!! I'll let the market=20 tell
me. In=20 the meantime make "Mucho Dinero"!!!
 
No=20 hard feeling, just a difference of opinion.
 
Gotta=20 Run.  Hug the bear!!  Play to win!!!
 
Call=20 me crazy
ED
 
P.S.  The Trend is your Friend.
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:22 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market=20 Direction

Hi Ed,
 
You are correct, none of us really knows what the = next=20 weeks, or next months, may look like. Likewise, none of us "innocents" = know=20 what Osama and the Taliban have planned for us (or haven't planned) = for new=20 adventures. I am not convinced that the Anthrax outbreaks are anything = more=20 than home grown American crazies. But time (and the FBI) will tell on = that=20 issue as well.
 
Over the prior two years, most follow through days = were=20 marked by a single major index. Often, another major index was = contradictory.=20 In some cases, a second major index followed thru within a day or so. = In some=20 of those cases, the volume failed to pass ADV (even tho that is not an = absolute requirement, I prefer it).
 
We have now had three (if I haven't lost count) = major follow=20 thru days. In each case, there were multiple major indexes confirming = on the=20 same day. And in each case the volume well exceeded ADV. Add to that = the=20 several trillion dollars of cash sitting on the sidelines waiting for = an=20 excuse to get back in. Combine that with major short positions, some = of which=20 are now being covered. And then there are some positive signs that = some of the=20 tech stocks have bottomed, and are raising forecasts for Q4 and 2002. = Despite=20 the horrific affect of the attacks on 9/11 on human life, property, = emotions,=20 economy, etc., stock prices have mostly recovered, consumer sentiment = is=20 improving, and retail sales were not as bad as originally expected. We = still=20 wait on the Q3 GDP to get an overall picture.
 
I see a lot of value in the markets right now, = whether you=20 look at small, medium or large cap stocks. The trailing PE on the = S&P500=20 has come down to the lowest it's been in several years, and is likely = to fall=20 further for the next one or two months. But this kind of economic = slowdown,=20 combined with massive layoffs, also means that corporations get lean = and mean,=20 resulting in restoration of earnings growth that much faster as the = economy=20 picks up (and I truly expect that). And as earnings start picking up, = they=20 have easy year to year comparisons, to further expand=20 expectations.
 
So, I am cautiously bullish, and have 15 buy = orders and only=20 one sell order already entered for my VR fund for this morning. Over = half of=20 the buy orders are market, contrary to the past few weeks when I used = limit=20 orders almost exclusively.
 
As for a retest, we may have already had it in = September,=20 caused in part by the cowardly attacks. In other words, the April lows = were=20 retested, and failed, and new lows achieved, but exasperated by a = major event.=20 There is no guarantee that the Sept lows won't retest, but we are = heading into=20 a period when the markets are traditionally strong, so I find that = unlikely=20 given the strength of the recovery after the events of = 9/11.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Edward=20 McDonough
Sent: Monday, October 15, = 2001 7:57=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Market=20 Direction

Tom,
 
Just back from a weekend boating near = Anthrax=20
Central. (Don't inhale as you read=20 this.)
What a magnificent = weekend!!
 
Tom, like you I'm having a wonderful = year. In my=20
earlier post I simply mentioned I believe = the=20 bear
market rally was ending  and we will = retest.=20 In the
meantime, there's certainly money to be = made=20
on=20 individ. stocks. 
 
I=20 simply see our bubble culminating when mkt
P/E's hit 15-17.  Judging from the = reaction I=20 got
from my simple post, I'm encouraged. I = know=20
Won minimizes P/E's for individ. stocks=20 yet
they can be quite useful when judging = M. =20
 
Besides M simply filled the post 9/11=20 GAP
(largely an earnings week driven rally=20 and
window dressing = rally).
 
A=20 better question is why do you think this
follow through wil hold when all follow=20 through
days prior have failed for the past 1 1/2 = years?
(The answer doesn't matter, it's = simply one's=20
opinion. I could be wrong, you could be=20 wrong.
Nothing more, nothing = less.)
 
Remember, the trend is your=20 friend!!
Good Luck!!
 
Opinion makes the world go=20 round.
 
Time to step to the pay = window.
 
Play to win!!!
 
Hug the Bear.
 
Call me crazy
ED
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C15584.F5E2A580-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP B/O Date: 15 Oct 2001 11:56:56 -0700 (PDT) With an hour of trading to go, volume is over 200% and the price is still at +5.5% Kent Norman --- Tim Fisher wrote: > Getting there, now up to 77.70 so up +5% on 1/3 > daily vol so far. Pivot > is 76.60 for this short (5 week) C&H. Missed MIKE on > Friday, nice B/O > offa short C&H pivot 45 which was tested twice > pre-9.11. Might pick up > some today as it's still w/in 5%. > > P.S. Looked at USPH chart again this AM and I still > hate it. For a real > nice long base that broke out post-9.11 look at > GTNR. > > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Date: 15 Oct 2001 12:26:21 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C15574.99069FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ed, I've always thought of institutional buyers are traders - regardless of = the market trend. Terms such as "churning" and "window dressing" were = invented by institutional buyers (with a few exceptions). Investing is what they tell us individual buyers to do. -Bill Institutional buyers are trading not investing. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C15574.99069FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed,
 
I've always thought of institutional = buyers are=20 traders - regardless of the market trend. Terms such as "churning" and = "window=20 dressing" were invented by institutional buyers (with a few=20 exceptions).
 
Investing is what they tell us = individual=20 buyers to do.
 
-Bill
 
Institutional buyers are trading not=20 investing.
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] CPRT Date: 15 Oct 2001 13:30:09 -0700 Well Earl it touched 32.69 today, were you a buyer? Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Date: 15 Oct 2001 14:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Perhaps you could add "stop sweep"? The specialist has visibility, but I suspect the big houses see enough to play the game too? What is your thought Tom? Kent --- Bill Triffet wrote: > Ed, > > I've always thought of institutional buyers are > traders - regardless of the market trend. Terms such > as "churning" and "window dressing" were invented by > institutional buyers (with a few exceptions). > > Investing is what they tell us individual buyers to > do. > > -Bill > > Institutional buyers are trading not investing. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Fw: Has anyone else gotten this on ibd.com? Date: 15 Oct 2001 17:43:25 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C155A0.E3F50AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting.=20 I'm going to have to change my screening method.=20 First I look at charts; then overall rating. Then I go back and look at charts and write down details, then look at individual ratings on check up. Thanks for this idea and the other responses, everyone. Ann ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Sparrow=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:22 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Fw: Has anyone else gotten this on ibd.com? I get them all the time while searching for the top five in their = respective industries. Usually it will let you know as you approach 300 = by displaying the current number so stocks viewed in the upper left hand = corner. It doesn't show up though when you print. It would be nice if = IBD.com had a print friendly button for the stock screener. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 11:16 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Fw: Has anyone else gotten this on ibd.com? Looks like you gotta pace yourself, Ann What a rip-off, and I thought DGO was tough!=20 Does IBD also restrict how fast you read the paper, or how quickly = you turn the pages?? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ann=20 To: CANSLIM Listserv=20 Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:31 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Fw: Has anyone else gotten this on ibd.com? SUBSCRIBER USE LIMITATIONS Subscriber's use of the Stock Checkup(TM) feature is limited to = 300 views and/or retrievals in each 24-hour period. Subscriber's use of the = IBD Chart(TM); feature is limited to 1000 views and/or retrievals per = 24-hour period. 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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C155A0.E3F50AE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] mdci/epd Date: 15 Oct 2001 18:46:59 -0700 Patrick I was thinking that both stocks have been in a range for a little better than a week. Possibly consolidating gains. You example on EDP is very helpful. Thanks Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Wahl Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:35 AM Where do you think you see a base in MDCI? It has just moved up from 15 to 20, a 33% gain in a few weeks, and even that move came out of a very short base, if it can be called that. Too extended in other words. If you want a fairly good example of what to look for, look at the base that formed in EPD from June to early August, I guess that is a saucer with handle, then a little breakout. Right now probably probably borderline on being buyable. On 15 Oct 01, at 13:00, Charles Cangialosi wrote: > > From a CANSLIM perspective would you consider these stocks in a base. The > fundamentals look good to me but the chart confuses me. > I am trying to use the strict rules laid out by WON for fundamentals. I have > been noticing that few companies actually meet these. Should I consider last > year an exception to the rules and ease off on the 25% gain over the > previous years quarter and the 25% gain from this year to last year EPS. > > Thanks; > > Charlie > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] mdci/epd Date: 15 Oct 2001 16:58:14 -0600 MCDI looks to be in a strong uptrend right now. EPD looks like it just moved out of a short 6 week cup base, but with analyst estimates of negative earnings growth this year, and only 12% next year, I would probably steer clear of it. At 01:00 PM 10/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >>From a CANSLIM perspective would you consider these stocks in a base. The >fundamentals look good to me but the chart confuses me. >I am trying to use the strict rules laid out by WON for fundamentals. I have >been noticing that few companies actually meet these. Should I consider last >year an exception to the rules and ease off on the 25% gain over the >previous years quarter and the 25% gain from this year to last year EPS. > >Thanks; > >Charlie > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP B/O, MIKE Date: 15 Oct 2001 17:01:06 -0600 I decided against trying to buy this one over the weekend. My reasoning went that the dip and recovery caused by 9/11 were better ignored. If you take these out, then the handle it formed is too low in the base to be a buyable CANSLIM handle. Of course, the stock screamed up today, so I still wish I had grabbed it, but that's just hindsight. I would like to see it make a new handle in the 20-21 range for me to watch it again. At 01:14 PM 10/15/01 EDT, you wrote: >Tim: > > Tim: > > Would you explain what is it about USPH that disqualifies it so. > > Presently, I see that it is near resistance (which I make at about 22). >It penetrated the up 200 MA and didn't look back; then it bumped off the 50 >MA after penetrating it also. Its RS line looks in strong divergence from >its previous highs since May; and, although-admittedly-it was in an obvious >downtrend since May, last Friday it broke the downtrend line on heavy volume >and a 2 point rise. Also, its Earnings (both Quarterly and Annually) are >very nice as are are its sales. > > Therefore, I would really be interested in whyyou've analyzed it as a >stock that doesn't look good. I am not being contentious (at least I don't >mean to be), I just want to know what you see that I've ignored. Or is it a >gut feeling, based on your experience with USPH? > > If it hits above 22 on high volume, do you think that you will you buy >it again? > >jans > > > >In a message dated 10/15/2001 11:04:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >TFisher@beak.com writes: > ><< Looked at USPH chart again this AM and I still hate it. For a real > nice long base that broke out post-9.11 look at GTNR >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] BVF/USPH Date: 15 Oct 2001 19:02:49 -0700 Stopped out of BVF today. I think my mistake was buying it to late so the stop was to high, had I purchased it properly I would likely still be in. I think I see the value of WON's suggestion to keep a diary to look back later to see mistakes and good moves. I believe I will start one. Big time confused on USPH. I was in at 18.24. I think the fundamentals looked good. There seems to be two divergent opinions on this one, that sad part is both seem correct while I am reading them. It is up now. Should I raise my stop so if it falls apart I come out even? Thanks Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Date: 15 Oct 2001 17:09:21 -0600 At 02:23 PM 10/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Even WON hasn't published his one page "All Clear AD" on this one (to my >knowledge). >Call me crazy >ED I would imagine that WON is still stinging from his ALL CLEAR proclamation in April. They even put in notes in the big picture charts showing where the bottom was for a week or two. Then it all magically disappeared! There was some extremely positive words in the Big Picture soemtime last week, some of the strongest I've seen over the last couple of years. I would guess this is the most we will see this time. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT Date: 15 Oct 2001 17:16:13 -0600 Nope, I bot on 10/5 on the original breakout. At 01:30 PM 10/15/01 -0700, you wrote: >Well Earl it touched 32.69 today, were you a buyer? > >Tim Fisher >OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online >Tim@OreRockOn.com >http://OreRockOn.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] mdci/epd Date: 15 Oct 2001 19:12:38 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C155AD.5AFB3400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Picking up MDCI below 15 in my VR fund makes it hard for me to see it = now as anything but extended. Possibly you could make a case for a base = by calling it a LLUR. I have some doubts about the accuracy of the earnings forecast for EPD = of -14% for this year. They only need 49 cents for each of the next two = quarters to match last year, and greatly exceed the currently shown = forecast. Based on the first two quarters, I would want to review the = analyst's reasoning for this low of an estimate. Possibly their revenues = are closely tied to the price of natural gas, which has been declining. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: esetser=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] mdci/epd MCDI looks to be in a strong uptrend right now. EPD looks like it just moved out of a short 6 week cup base, but with analyst estimates of negative earnings growth this year, and only 12% = next year, I would probably steer clear of it. =20 At 01:00 PM 10/15/01 -0400, you wrote: > >>From a CANSLIM perspective would you consider these stocks in a = base. The >fundamentals look good to me but the chart confuses me. >I am trying to use the strict rules laid out by WON for fundamentals. = I have >been noticing that few companies actually meet these. Should I = consider last >year an exception to the rules and ease off on the 25% gain over the >previous years quarter and the 25% gain from this year to last year = EPS. > >Thanks; > >Charlie > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C155AD.5AFB3400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Picking up MDCI below 15 in my VR fund makes it hard = for me to=20 see it now as anything but extended. Possibly you could make a case for = a base=20 by calling it a LLUR.
 
I have some doubts about the accuracy of the = earnings forecast=20 for EPD of -14% for this year. They only need 49 cents for each of the = next two=20 quarters to match last year, and greatly exceed the currently shown = forecast.=20 Based on the first two quarters, I would want to review the analyst's = reasoning=20 for this low of an estimate. Possibly their revenues are closely tied to = the=20 price of natural gas, which has been declining.
 
Tom Worley
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It has just moved up >from 15 to 20, a 33% gain in a few weeks, and even that move >came out of a very short base, if it can be called that. Too >extended in other words. > >If you want a fairly good example of what to look for, look at the >base that formed in EPD from June to early August, I guess that is >a saucer with handle, then a little breakout. Right now probably >probably borderline on being buyable. > >On 15 Oct 01, at 13:00, Charles Cangialosi wrote: > >> >> From a CANSLIM perspective would you consider these stocks in a base. The >> fundamentals look good to me but the chart confuses me. >> I am trying to use the strict rules laid out by WON for fundamentals. I >have >> been noticing that few companies actually meet these. Should I consider >last >> year an exception to the rules and ease off on the 25% gain over the >> previous years quarter and the 25% gain from this year to last year EPS. >> >> Thanks; >> >> Charlie >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Cowsar Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF/USPH Date: 15 Oct 2001 16:26:01 -0700 Been making a lot of money Canslim-ing lately? I kinda doubt it. The "M" implies an "E" for economy... CANSLIME? When the economy recovers, give it a go. In the meantime, take a vacation! At 07:02 PM 10/15/01 -0700, you wrote: > Stopped out of BVF today. I think my mistake was buying it to > late so the >stop was to high, had I purchased it properly I would likely still be in. > I think I see the value of WON's suggestion to keep a diary to > look back >later to see mistakes and good moves. I believe I will start one. > Big time confused on USPH. I was in at 18.24. I think the > fundamentals >looked good. There seems to be two divergent opinions on this one, that sad >part is both seem correct while I am reading them. It is up now. Should I >raise my stop so if it falls apart I come out even? > >Thanks > >Charlie > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Date: 15 Oct 2001 19:31:04 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C155AF.EEAF7B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ed, Like I said, in six months likely we can look back and tell if Sept was = the bottom. Some more comments stuck in below. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Edward McDonough=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:23 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Tom, =20 Enjoyed your bull case justification yet I choose to prefer the bear case. =20 What the heck, here's just a little chum to chew on. =20 Short covering fuel has been exhausted setting up for=20 the institutional re-short post earnings/post gap fill. - not sure of = your basis for this. The NYSE short report just released today shows = that the overall short position of the top 100 increased from August = (from average of 22.7 days to 23.8 days). That's less than half of what = it was in July, so appears stable from last month to this. =20 Lack of hoards of CANSLIM stocks breaking out to new=20 high territory. - no argument here, with the exception of the small = and micro caps =20 Institutional buyers are trading not investing. Prefer to play the market maker position. =20 E is suspect making P/E even more suspect!! (carries most weight!!) - the market moves on expectations of future = earnings, not on past ones. And as I mentioned, I see a few cautious = signs of expectations starting to improve for future quarters. Q3 is a = wipeout, but that is expected. Any surprises are more likely to be to = the upside. =20 Pendulum has swung from GREED to FEAR. =20 Real Fear will commence when new lows are established. =20 V market bottoms unlikely in Bubble Bear Market.- true, but this "V" = bottom was primarily caused by the attack on America, not on market or = stock fundies. =20 Trends persist longer than expected. =20 Market will persist down till significant permabulls throw in the towel. =20 Even WON hasn't published his one page=20 "All Clear AD" on this one (to my knowledge). He got Peter Lynch to try today. (Remember these guys want to sell you something, could there be a conflict?)=20 =20 Tom, Could I be wrong, Sure. Could you be wrong, Sure. I simply like my chances!! I'll let the market tell me. In the meantime make "Mucho Dinero"!!! =20 No hard feeling, just a difference of opinion. =20 Gotta Run. Hug the bear!! Play to win!!! =20 Call me crazy ED =20 P.S. The Trend is your Friend. =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:22 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Hi Ed, You are correct, none of us really knows what the next weeks, or = next months, may look like. Likewise, none of us "innocents" know what = Osama and the Taliban have planned for us (or haven't planned) for new = adventures. I am not convinced that the Anthrax outbreaks are anything = more than home grown American crazies. But time (and the FBI) will tell = on that issue as well. Over the prior two years, most follow through days were marked by a = single major index. Often, another major index was contradictory. In = some cases, a second major index followed thru within a day or so. In = some of those cases, the volume failed to pass ADV (even tho that is not = an absolute requirement, I prefer it).=20 We have now had three (if I haven't lost count) major follow thru = days. In each case, there were multiple major indexes confirming on the = same day. And in each case the volume well exceeded ADV. Add to that the = several trillion dollars of cash sitting on the sidelines waiting for an = excuse to get back in. Combine that with major short positions, some of = which are now being covered. And then there are some positive signs that = some of the tech stocks have bottomed, and are raising forecasts for Q4 = and 2002. Despite the horrific affect of the attacks on 9/11 on human = life, property, emotions, economy, etc., stock prices have mostly = recovered, consumer sentiment is improving, and retail sales were not as = bad as originally expected. We still wait on the Q3 GDP to get an = overall picture. I see a lot of value in the markets right now, whether you look at = small, medium or large cap stocks. The trailing PE on the S&P500 has = come down to the lowest it's been in several years, and is likely to = fall further for the next one or two months. But this kind of economic = slowdown, combined with massive layoffs, also means that corporations = get lean and mean, resulting in restoration of earnings growth that much = faster as the economy picks up (and I truly expect that). And as = earnings start picking up, they have easy year to year comparisons, to = further expand expectations. So, I am cautiously bullish, and have 15 buy orders and only one = sell order already entered for my VR fund for this morning. Over half of = the buy orders are market, contrary to the past few weeks when I used = limit orders almost exclusively. As for a retest, we may have already had it in September, caused in = part by the cowardly attacks. In other words, the April lows were = retested, and failed, and new lows achieved, but exasperated by a major = event. There is no guarantee that the Sept lows won't retest, but we are = heading into a period when the markets are traditionally strong, so I = find that unlikely given the strength of the recovery after the events = of 9/11. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Edward McDonough=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:57 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Tom, =20 Just back from a weekend boating near Anthrax=20 Central. (Don't inhale as you read this.) What a magnificent weekend!! =20 Tom, like you I'm having a wonderful year. In my=20 earlier post I simply mentioned I believe the bear market rally was ending and we will retest. In the=20 meantime, there's certainly money to be made=20 on individ. stocks. =20 =20 I simply see our bubble culminating when mkt P/E's hit 15-17. Judging from the reaction I got from my simple post, I'm encouraged. I know=20 Won minimizes P/E's for individ. stocks yet they can be quite useful when judging M. =20 =20 Besides M simply filled the post 9/11 GAP (largely an earnings week driven rally and window dressing rally). =20 A better question is why do you think this follow through wil hold when all follow through days prior have failed for the past 1 1/2 years? (The answer doesn't matter, it's simply one's=20 opinion. I could be wrong, you could be wrong. Nothing more, nothing less.) =20 Remember, the trend is your friend!! Good Luck!! =20 Opinion makes the world go round. =20 Time to step to the pay window. =20 Play to win!!! =20 Hug the Bear. =20 Call me crazy=20 ED =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C155AF.EEAF7B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ed,
 
Like I said, in six months likely we can look back = and tell if=20 Sept was the bottom. Some more comments stuck in below.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Edward=20 McDonough
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 2:23=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Market=20 Direction

Tom,
 
Enjoyed your bull case justification yet I choose to=20 prefer
the=20 bear case.
 
What=20 the heck,  here's just a little chum to chew = on.
 
Short covering fuel has been exhausted setting up for=20
the=20 institutional re-short post earnings/post gap fill. - not=20 sure of your basis for this. The NYSE short report just released today = shows=20 that the overall short position of the top 100 increased from August = (from=20 average of 22.7 days to 23.8 days). That's less than half of what it = was in=20 July, so appears stable from last month to = this.
 
Lack=20 of hoards of CANSLIM stocks breaking out to new
high=20 territory. - no argument here, with the = exception of the=20 small and micro caps
 
Institutional buyers are trading not = investing.
Prefer to play the market maker position.
 
E is=20 suspect making P/E even more suspect!!
(carries most weight!!) - the market = moves on=20 expectations of future earnings, not on past ones. And as I mentioned, = I see a=20 few cautious signs of expectations starting to improve for future = quarters. Q3=20 is a wipeout, but that is expected. Any surprises are more likely to = be to the=20 upside.
 
Pendulum has swung from GREED to FEAR.  =
Real=20 Fear will commence when new lows
are=20 established.
 
V=20 market bottoms unlikely in Bubble Bear Market.- = true, but=20 this "V" bottom was primarily caused by the attack on America, not on = market=20 or stock fundies.
 
Trends persist longer than expected.
 
Market will persist down till significant
permabulls throw in the towel.
 
Even=20 WON hasn't published his one page
"All=20 Clear AD" on this one (to my knowledge).
He=20 got Peter Lynch to try today. (Remember these=20 guys
want=20 to sell you something, could there
be a=20 conflict?) 
 
Tom,=20 Could I be wrong, Sure.  Could you be wrong,
Sure.  I simply like my chances!! I'll let the market=20 tell
me.=20 In the meantime make "Mucho = Dinero"!!!
 
No=20 hard feeling, just a difference of opinion.
 
Gotta Run.  Hug the bear!!  Play to=20 win!!!
 
Call=20 me crazy
ED
 
P.S.  The Trend is your Friend.
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:22 = AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market=20 Direction

Hi Ed,
 
You are correct, none of us really knows what = the next=20 weeks, or next months, may look like. Likewise, none of us = "innocents" know=20 what Osama and the Taliban have planned for us (or haven't planned) = for new=20 adventures. I am not convinced that the Anthrax outbreaks are = anything more=20 than home grown American crazies. But time (and the FBI) will tell = on that=20 issue as well.
 
Over the prior two years, most follow through = days were=20 marked by a single major index. Often, another major index was=20 contradictory. In some cases, a second major index followed thru = within a=20 day or so. In some of those cases, the volume failed to pass ADV = (even tho=20 that is not an absolute requirement, I prefer it).
 
We have now had three (if I haven't lost count) = major=20 follow thru days. In each case, there were multiple major indexes = confirming=20 on the same day. And in each case the volume well exceeded ADV. Add = to that=20 the several trillion dollars of cash sitting on the sidelines = waiting for an=20 excuse to get back in. Combine that with major short positions, some = of=20 which are now being covered. And then there are some positive signs = that=20 some of the tech stocks have bottomed, and are raising forecasts for = Q4 and=20 2002. Despite the horrific affect of the attacks on 9/11 on human = life,=20 property, emotions, economy, etc., stock prices have mostly = recovered,=20 consumer sentiment is improving, and retail sales were not as bad as = originally expected. We still wait on the Q3 GDP to get an overall=20 picture.
 
I see a lot of value in the markets right now, = whether you=20 look at small, medium or large cap stocks. The trailing PE on the = S&P500=20 has come down to the lowest it's been in several years, and is = likely to=20 fall further for the next one or two months. But this kind of = economic=20 slowdown, combined with massive layoffs, also means that = corporations get=20 lean and mean, resulting in restoration of earnings growth that much = faster=20 as the economy picks up (and I truly expect that). And as earnings = start=20 picking up, they have easy year to year comparisons, to further = expand=20 expectations.
 
So, I am cautiously bullish, and have 15 buy = orders and=20 only one sell order already entered for my VR fund for this morning. = Over=20 half of the buy orders are market, contrary to the past few weeks = when I=20 used limit orders almost exclusively.
 
As for a retest, we may have already had it in = September,=20 caused in part by the cowardly attacks. In other words, the April = lows were=20 retested, and failed, and new lows achieved, but exasperated by a = major=20 event. There is no guarantee that the Sept lows won't retest, but we = are=20 heading into a period when the markets are traditionally strong, so = I find=20 that unlikely given the strength of the recovery after the events of = 9/11.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Edward=20 McDonough
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 15, = 2001 7:57=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Market=20 Direction

Tom,
 
Just back from a weekend boating near = Anthrax=20
Central. (Don't inhale as you read=20 this.)
What a magnificent = weekend!!
 
Tom, like you I'm having a wonderful = year. In my=20
earlier post I simply mentioned I = believe the=20 bear
market rally was ending  and we = will retest.=20 In the
meantime, there's certainly money to be = made=20
on individ. stocks.  =
 
I simply see our bubble culminating = when=20 mkt
P/E's hit 15-17.  Judging from the = reaction=20 I got
from my simple post, I'm encouraged. I = know=20
Won minimizes P/E's for individ. stocks = yet
they can be quite useful when judging = M. =20
 
Besides M simply filled the post 9/11=20 GAP
(largely an earnings week driven rally=20 and
window dressing = rally).
 
A better question is why do you think=20 this
follow through wil hold when all follow = through
days prior have failed for the past 1 = 1/2=20 years?
(The answer doesn't matter, it's=20 simply one's
opinion. I could be wrong, you could be = wrong.
Nothing more, nothing = less.)
 
Remember, the trend is your=20 friend!!
Good Luck!!
 
Opinion makes the world go=20 round.
 
Time to step to the pay=20 window.
 
Play to win!!!
 
Hug the Bear.
 
Call me crazy
ED
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C155AF.EEAF7B00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Date: 15 Oct 2001 19:39:07 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C155B1.0E3967A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A true "institutional" (be it a venture capitalist, a pension fund or a = mutual fund) doesn't sit in front of a computer screen all day long = trying to day trade the market (except maybe with the exception of an = IPO where they have a piece and it's about to start trading).=20 Granted, they likely pay for access to Level Two quotes, so they can see = the true size of the market. But they are not themselves a market maker, = even tho they trade volume large enough to move the markets short term. They will typically place a several hundred thousand share order with = their favorite broker dealer, maybe with an upside limit (on buys) or a = downside limit (on sells) and not look at the stock again until the BD = calls to tell them what their average price of execution is. The BD values the relationship, and wants it to continue, so will = certainly try to get best price. The BD may try a few tricks, like = hitting the bid to sweep a concentration of stop loss orders, but this = only works if he knows about those orders. And the only way he can is if = they went thru him. Only the specialist on listed securities is able to = see the whole market. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kent Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Direction Perhaps you could add "stop sweep"? The specialist has visibility, but I suspect the big houses see enough to play the game too? What is your thought Tom? Kent --- Bill Triffet wrote: > Ed, >=20 > I've always thought of institutional buyers are > traders - regardless of the market trend. Terms such > as "churning" and "window dressing" were invented by > institutional buyers (with a few exceptions). >=20 > Investing is what they tell us individual buyers to > do. >=20 > -Bill >=20 > Institutional buyers are trading not investing. >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C155B1.0E3967A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A true "institutional" (be it a venture capitalist, = a pension=20 fund or a mutual fund) doesn't sit in front of a computer screen all day = long=20 trying to day trade the market (except maybe with the exception of an = IPO where=20 they have a piece and it's about to start trading).
 
Granted, they likely pay for access to Level Two = quotes, so=20 they can see the true size of the market. But they are not themselves a = market=20 maker, even tho they trade volume large enough to move the markets short = term.
 
They will typically place a several hundred thousand = share=20 order with their favorite broker dealer, maybe with an upside limit (on = buys) or=20 a downside limit (on sells) and not look at the stock again until the BD = calls=20 to tell them what their average price of execution is.
 
The BD values the relationship, and wants it to = continue, so=20 will certainly try to get best price. The BD may try a few tricks, like = hitting=20 the bid to sweep a concentration of stop loss orders, but this only = works if he=20 knows about those orders. And the only way he can is if they went thru = him. Only=20 the specialist on listed securities is able to see the whole=20 market.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kent=20 Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 5:27=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market=20 Direction

Perhaps you could add "stop sweep"?
The specialist = has=20 visibility, but I suspect the big
houses see enough to play the = game=20 too?

What is your thought Tom?

Kent
--- Bill Triffet = <btriffet@earthlink.net>=20 wrote:
> Ed,
>
> I've always thought of = institutional=20 buyers are
> traders - regardless of the market trend. Terms=20 such
> as "churning" and "window dressing" were invented = by
>=20 institutional buyers (with a few exceptions).
>
> = Investing is=20 what they tell us individual buyers to
> do.
>
>=20 -Bill
>
>   Institutional buyers are trading = not=20 investing.
>=20


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I wouldn't call it a lot, but I am working with very = little.=20 My IRA gained another 1.6% today, and my VR fund again beat Naz and = S&P500,=20 so I call that a successful day. Certainly again better than a money=20 market.
 
The economy is only one of many factors that = ultimately make=20 up "M". And you can't call "M" by the economy, you must call it by what = the=20 markets are doing.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 George = Cowsar=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 7:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = BVF/USPH

Been making a lot of money Canslim-ing lately? I kinda = doubt=20 it. The "M"
implies an "E" for economy... CANSLIME?

When = the=20 economy recovers, give it a go. In the meantime, take a = vacation!

At=20 07:02 PM 10/15/01 -0700, you=20 wrote:

>         = Stopped out=20 of BVF today. I think my mistake was buying it to
> late so=20 the
>stop was to high, had I purchased it properly I would = likely still=20 be in.
>         I think = I see=20 the value of WON's suggestion to keep a diary to
> look=20 back
>later to see mistakes and good moves. I believe I will = start=20 one.
>         Big time = confused=20 on USPH. I was in at 18.24. I think the
> = fundamentals
>looked=20 good. There seems to be two divergent opinions on this one, that=20 sad
>part is both seem correct while I am reading them. It is up = now.=20 Should I
>raise my stop so if it falls apart I come out=20 = even?
>
>Thanks
>
>Charlie
>
>
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I don't have a grudge against anyone.  Terse and abrasive are two completely different things.  I don't think anyone here minds being abrasive and slamming people touting non-CANSLIM stocks. It's certainly not appropriate to slam people posting CANSLIM comments. I don't understand your comment on MOMO players as CANSLIM is momentum investing.  Momentum investing is not necessarily CANSLIM. I have a delete key and I use it everyday. My understanding of the purpose of this CANSLIM mailing list is for all of us to improve our CANSLIM investment results. We should all be striving for and developing a method to obtain the 300 to 400% that WON cronies get in the good times and to hold our money during the bad times. Oh almost forgot, most of us work so we have to try to strive for 150 to 200% (1/2 the WON cronies).
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:53 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH

Guess I don't see it that way.  I hate to type so I am certainly terse most of the time. Certainly I tend to slam people touting non-CANSLIM stocks, OTC-BBs, bottom fishing, MOMO players (yourself included). If you don't like it then you have a delete key - I suggest you learn to use it. If you have a personal grudge I suggest you take it off the list, starting with this post, which was personal and therefore should not have been sent to the entire list.

Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com

 
 -----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dempsey, Chris
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:26 AM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH

Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating ones opinions. However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, knifes and/or course sand paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time with your responses to other posts.

My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new IPO in the past eight years constitutes an N.

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I'm curious what your reason for not buying it was?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 3:05 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP B/O


ADVP finishing strong. Huge breakout on a relatively quiet day for the
market. Sure to get a mention in IBD tomorrow and I predict it will gap
higher at the open. Glad I pulled the trigger this morning. Makes up for
watching USPH all day Friday but for some reason not buying it.


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C155D5.E0ECE0E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Stephanie Chicko" Subject: [CANSLIM] FTO - TA Question Date: 15 Oct 2001 20:12:28 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C155B5.B6C6ADC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone else see a cup & handle? The cup started on Jun 6 = (High-17.00) to Sept. 4 (High- 17.99). The handle ended on Oct. 3 with = a breakout on lge. volume. I am using the IBD chart online(Not the = weekly chart) Does anyone else see this pattern and if not - Well - = HELP! Thanks Steff ------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C155B5.B6C6ADC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anyone else see a cup & = handle? The cup=20 started on Jun 6 (High-17.00) to Sept. 4 (High- 17.99).  The handle = ended=20 on Oct. 3 with a breakout on lge. volume. I am using the IBD chart = online(Not=20 the weekly chart)  Does anyone else see this pattern and if not - = Well -=20 HELP!
Thanks
Steff
------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C155B5.B6C6ADC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 15 Oct 2001 20:16:05 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C155B6.3862EA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageSorry, Chris, I settle for nothing less than 500% despite my day = job. So far, EPIQ is one of only few to do that, and I treasure it, just = wish I had more. Just found out it has options now, trading on the CBOE, = so may have to look at that if it won't back off. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dempsey, Chris=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH I don't have a grudge against anyone. Terse and abrasive are two = completely different things. I don't think anyone here minds being = abrasive and slamming people touting non-CANSLIM stocks. It's certainly = not appropriate to slam people posting CANSLIM comments. I don't = understand your comment on MOMO players as CANSLIM is momentum = investing. Momentum investing is not necessarily CANSLIM. I have a = delete key and I use it everyday. My understanding of the purpose of = this CANSLIM mailing list is for all of us to improve our CANSLIM = investment results. We should all be striving for and developing a = method to obtain the 300 to 400% that WON cronies get in the good times = and to hold our money during the bad times. Oh almost forgot, most of us = work so we have to try to strive for 150 to 200% (1/2 the WON cronies).=20 -----Original Message----- From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:53 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Guess I don't see it that way. I hate to type so I am certainly = terse most of the time. Certainly I tend to slam people touting = non-CANSLIM stocks, OTC-BBs, bottom fishing, MOMO players (yourself = included). If you don't like it then you have a delete key - I suggest = you learn to use it. If you have a personal grudge I suggest you take it = off the list, starting with this post, which was personal and therefore = should not have been sent to the entire list. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dempsey, Chris Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:26 AM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating ones opinions. = However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, knifes and/or course = sand paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time with your = responses to other posts. My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new IPO in the past eight = years constitutes an N.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01C155B6.3862EA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Sorry, Chris, I settle for nothing less than 500% = despite my=20 day job. So far, EPIQ is one of only few to do that, and I treasure it, = just=20 wish I had more. Just found out it has options now, trading on the CBOE, = so may=20 have to look at that if it won't back off.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dempsey, Chris
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 7:58=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = USPH

I don't have a grudge against anyone.  Terse and = abrasive are=20 two completely different things.  I don't think anyone here minds = being=20 abrasive and slamming people touting non-CANSLIM stocks. It's = certainly not=20 appropriate to slam people posting CANSLIM comments. I don't = understand your=20 comment on MOMO players as CANSLIM is momentum investing.  = Momentum=20 investing is not necessarily CANSLIM. I have a delete key and I use it = everyday. My understanding of the purpose of this CANSLIM mailing list = is for=20 all of us to improve our CANSLIM investment results. We should all be = striving=20 for and developing a method to obtain the 300 to 400% that WON cronies = get in=20 the good times and to hold our money during the bad times. = Oh almost=20 forgot, most of us work so we have to try to strive for 150 to 200% = (1/2 the=20 WON cronies).
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher=20 [mailto:tim@orerockon.com]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 12:53=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: = [CANSLIM]=20 USPH

Guess I don't = see it that=20 way.  I hate to type so I am certainly terse most of the time.=20 Certainly I tend to slam people touting non-CANSLIM stocks, OTC-BBs, = bottom=20 fishing, MOMO players (yourself included). If you don't like it then = you=20 have a delete key - I suggest you learn to use it. If you have a = personal=20 grudge I suggest you take it off the list, starting with this post, = which=20 was personal and therefore should not have been sent to the entire=20 list.

Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds=20 Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com=20

 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of = Dempsey,=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:26 = AM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 USPH

Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating = ones=20 opinions. However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, = knifes and/or=20 course sand paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time = with=20 your responses to other posts.

My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new IPO in = the past=20 eight years constitutes an N.=20

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Hi Stephanie,
 
I would agree you have a very pretty cup there, with = the=20 handle just starting to form when the attack on America occurred. As a = result,=20 the handle formed very poorly, but it didn't decline much in the = selloff. The=20 breakout looks clean, and appears now to either be consolidating the = small gain,=20 or forming a secondary base. Worth watching.
 
Earnings and sales have been pretty erratic, but DGO = indicates=20 that the company expects Q3 earnings higher than estimated.
 
Debt is huge at 294%.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephanie=20 Chicko
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 8:12=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] FTO - TA=20 Question

Does anyone else see a cup & = handle? The cup=20 started on Jun 6 (High-17.00) to Sept. 4 (High- 17.99).  The = handle ended=20 on Oct. 3 with a breakout on lge. volume. I am using the IBD chart = online(Not=20 the weekly chart)  Does anyone else see this pattern and if not - = Well -=20 HELP!
Thanks
Steff
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As usual, Thanks Tom
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 8:22=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FTO - TA = Question

Hi Stephanie,
 
I would agree you have a very pretty cup there, = with the=20 handle just starting to form when the attack on America occurred. As a = result,=20 the handle formed very poorly, but it didn't decline much in the = selloff. The=20 breakout looks clean, and appears now to either be consolidating the = small=20 gain, or forming a secondary base. Worth watching.
 
Earnings and sales have been pretty erratic, but = DGO=20 indicates that the company expects Q3 earnings higher than=20 estimated.
 
Debt is huge at 294%.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stephanie=20 Chicko
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 15, = 2001 8:12=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] FTO - TA=20 Question

Does anyone else see a cup & = handle? The=20 cup started on Jun 6 (High-17.00) to Sept. 4 (High- 17.99).  = The handle=20 ended on Oct. 3 with a breakout on lge. volume. I am using the IBD = chart=20 online(Not the weekly chart)  Does anyone else see this pattern = and if=20 not - Well - HELP!
Thanks
Steff
------=_NextPart_000_0152_01C155B8.31DD1380-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Off topic - Budget Rent-A-Car Date: 15 Oct 2001 20:32:44 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C155B8.8B80C4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone got time to figure out this anomaly?? Stock trades up 28 cents = today, to $1.33 (that's not a typo, over a 20% gain) on the news below = (earnings for the Q3 almost equal to the price of the stock)!!! And = business has improved since 9/11?? And it's got an RS of 8 and EPS of = 26? Budget Group (BD) announced it would exceed third quarter EPS estimates. = Consensus is .98 per share. The company stated it would post at the low = end of $1.12-1.24 per share. The diversification of our business model = -- airport and local market, car and truck rental -- mitigates weakness = in any one segment. Since September 11, local market car rental = transactions have been tracking above prior year and our truck rental = business remains on plan," stated Sandy Miller, chairman and chief = executive officer.=20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C155B8.8B80C4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone got time to figure out this anomaly?? Stock = trades up=20 28 cents today, to $1.33 (that's not a typo, over a 20% gain) on the = news below=20 (earnings for the Q3 almost equal to the price of the stock)!!! And = business has=20 improved since 9/11?? And it's got an RS of 8 and EPS of = 26?
 
Budget Group (BD) = announced it=20 would exceed third quarter EPS estimates. Consensus is .98 per share. = The=20 company stated it would post at the low end of $1.12-1.24 per share. The = diversification of our business model -- airport and local market, car = and truck=20 rental -- mitigates weakness in any one segment. Since September 11, = local=20 market car rental transactions have been tracking above prior year and = our truck=20 rental business remains on plan," stated Sandy Miller, chairman and = chief=20 executive officer.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C155B8.8B80C4E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF/USPH Date: 15 Oct 2001 17:48:43 -0700 I have been making quite a bit of money actually. Up a few grand since the middle of last week when I jumped back in. At 04:26 PM 10/15/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Been making a lot of money Canslim-ing lately? I kinda doubt it. The "M" >implies an "E" for economy... CANSLIME? > >When the economy recovers, give it a go. In the meantime, take a vacation! > >At 07:02 PM 10/15/01 -0700, you wrote: > >> Stopped out of BVF today. I think my mistake was buying it to >> late so the >>stop was to high, had I purchased it properly I would likely still be in. >> I think I see the value of WON's suggestion to keep a diary to >> look back >>later to see mistakes and good moves. I believe I will start one. >> Big time confused on USPH. I was in at 18.24. I think the >> fundamentals >>looked good. There seems to be two divergent opinions on this one, that sad >>part is both seem correct while I am reading them. It is up now. Should I >>raise my stop so if it falls apart I come out even? >> >>Thanks >> >>Charlie >> >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] [CANSLIM} OT: Credible Terrorist Threat?? Date: 15 Oct 2001 19:21:32 -0600 Hmm, this one IS covered at urbanlegends.com, and it is amazingly similar to one my wife heard at work last week. Her version was girlfriend in Utah, not wife in Tennessee. Amazing how these things grow and grow, and go and go. At 06:55 PM 10/15/01 -0500, you wrote: > >We now have a warning for all of us. > >One of my wife's co-workers was talking to her Mom in Tennessee >this weekend. Mom in Tenn has a Muslim neighbor. The husband >disappeared a few weeks ago. He is now on the list of 200 or >so that the FBI wants to talk to immediately. Just before he >left, he told his wife to NOT, under any circumstances, take the >children to a mall on Oct 31. The wife told this story to her >neighbor, Mom of a co-worker of my wife's. The FBI has been to >the house, searching it thoroughly and is aware of this message. > >So, caution is the word. > >Urban Legend???? A mere rumor???? A hoax? Does the new media >know of thsi threat?? A haloween joke on us all?? >We won't know until the evening of Oct 31. > > >Robert > > >===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Adair" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] FTO - TA Question Date: 15 Oct 2001 21:39:02 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C155C1.CEB98B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail2.brightok.net id VAA05613 It looks to me the handle has been affected by the 9-11events. Up to that point don=92t you think it was OK. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:22 PM Hi Stephanie, I would agree you have a very pretty cup there, with the handle just starting to form when the attack on America occurred. As a result, the handle formed very poorly, but it didn't decline much in the selloff. The breakout looks clean, and appears now to either be consolidating the smal= l gain, or forming a secondary base. Worth watching. Earnings and sales have been pretty erratic, but DGO indicates that the company expects Q3 earnings higher than estimated. Debt is huge at 294%. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:12 PM Does anyone else see a cup & handle? The cup started on Jun 6 (High-17.00= ) to Sept. 4 (High- 17.99). The handle ended on Oct. 3 with a breakout on lge. volume. I am using the IBD chart online(Not the weekly chart) Does anyone else see this pattern and if not - Well - HELP! Thanks Steff ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C155C1.CEB98B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It= looks to me the handle has been affected by the 9-11events. Up to that point = don’t you think it was OK.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Monday, October 15, = 2001 7:22 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = FTO - TA Question

 

Hi = Stephanie,<= /p>

 <= /p>

I = would agree you have a very pretty cup there, with the handle just starting to form = when the attack on America occurred. As a result, the handle formed very = poorly, but it didn't decline much in the selloff. The breakout looks clean, and = appears now to either be consolidating the small gain, or forming a secondary = base. Worth watching.

 <= /p>

Earnings and sales have been pretty erratic, but DGO indicates that the company = expects Q3 earnings higher than estimated.<= /p>

 <= /p>

Debt is huge at 294%.

 <= /p>

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley

----- Original Message -----

=

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com

Sent: Monday, = October 15, 2001 8:12 PM

Subject: [CANSLIM] FTO - TA Question

 <= /p>

Does anyone else see a cup & handle? The cup started on Jun 6 = (High-17.00) to Sept. 4 (High- 17.99).  The handle ended on Oct. 3 with a breakout = on lge. volume. I am using the IBD chart online(Not the weekly chart)  Does = anyone else see this pattern and if not - Well - HELP!<= /p>

Thanks<= /p>

Steff<= /p>

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Since USPH was not a perfect base (too = deep, wide=20 and loose) I hesitated. Then I decided I would buy if it dipped below = 18. It=20 never did.
 
So instead of pinching pennies I pulled the = trigger on=20 ADVP as soon as I spotted the breakout. For now, I'm glad that I = did not=20 hesitate.

Other breakouts recently (DORL, BVF) are = starting=20 to put in new handles. I think USPH has a good chance to do the same = over the=20 next week or so. If not, they'll be plenty others..
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dempsey,=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 8:03 PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP=20 B/O

I'm curious what your reason for not buying it = was?=20

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave=20 [mailto:drubin@i-2000.com]=20
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 3:05 PM =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE:=20 [CANSLIM] ADVP B/O


ADVP finishing strong. Huge breakout on a relatively = quiet day=20 for the
market. Sure to get a mention in IBD = tomorrow=20 and I predict it will gap
higher at the = open. Glad I=20 pulled the trigger this morning. Makes up for
watching=20 USPH all day Friday but for some reason not buying it.


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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C155D1.0842B5C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP B/O, MIKE Date: 15 Oct 2001 23:54:41 EDT Earl: To my eye it looks like it began another base at the end of July at around 19. A C&H formed with the left lip being at the end of July and the right lip forming at what looks to be Sept. 28 at 17. There then was an-approximately-7 day handle which broke out last Friday, and today confirmed with more than a point rise with heavy volume. However, now it is at resistance. The only problem I see is that WON says that there should be a significant rise before the base (to show that the stock is strong and is merely correcting). I believe the rise was in April-May (from 7-21), and it has been in a complex correction since then-with the C&H indicating that the correction is over. An interesting scenario that I believe is likely: the market falls for about a week, and USPH follows it, at first either on high volume with a small decline or low volume with a drifting decline. In each event, at the tail end of the market fall, the strength of USPH will be indicated-I believe-should the volume peter out as it follows the market down grudgingly. This could be a 2nd stage base (pp..158-159, HTMMIS) which WON characterizes as taking place in the last stages of a bear. jans In a message dated 10/15/2001 7:00:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, esetser@covad.net writes: << I decided against trying to buy this one over the weekend. My reasoning went that the dip and recovery caused by 9/11 were better ignored. If you take these out, then the handle it formed is too low in the base to be a buyable CANSLIM handle. Of course, the stock screamed up today, so I still wish I had grabbed it, but that's just hindsight. I would like to see it make a new handle in the 20-21 range for me to watch it again. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MIKE Date: 16 Oct 2001 05:10:02 -0700 Peter: EPS 92 RS 90 GRS 97 A/D B SMR B Growth 41% Q0 EPS 31c Q-4 EPS -3c Good enough for me! Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: FW: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 07:33:21 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1563E.BD890840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Please tell the group what years you were able to achieve a 500% return in your CANSLIM account! -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:16 PM Sorry, Chris, I settle for nothing less than 500% despite my day job. So far, EPIQ is one of only few to do that, and I treasure it, just wish I had more. Just found out it has options now, trading on the CBOE, so may have to look at that if it won't back off. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:58 PM I don't have a grudge against anyone. Terse and abrasive are two completely different things. I don't think anyone here minds being abrasive and slamming people touting non-CANSLIM stocks. It's certainly not appropriate to slam people posting CANSLIM comments. I don't understand your comment on MOMO players as CANSLIM is momentum investing. Momentum investing is not necessarily CANSLIM. I have a delete key and I use it everyday. My understanding of the purpose of this CANSLIM mailing list is for all of us to improve our CANSLIM investment results. We should all be striving for and developing a method to obtain the 300 to 400% that WON cronies get in the good times and to hold our money during the bad times. Oh almost forgot, most of us work so we have to try to strive for 150 to 200% (1/2 the WON cronies). -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:53 PM Guess I don't see it that way. I hate to type so I am certainly terse most of the time. Certainly I tend to slam people touting non-CANSLIM stocks, OTC-BBs, bottom fishing, MOMO players (yourself included). If you don't like it then you have a delete key - I suggest you learn to use it. If you have a personal grudge I suggest you take it off the list, starting with this post, which was personal and therefore should not have been sent to the entire list. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dempsey, Chris Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:26 AM Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating ones opinions. However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, knifes and/or course sand paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time with your responses to other posts. 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Please tell the group what years you were able to achieve a 500% return in your CANSLIM account! 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:16 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH

Sorry, Chris, I settle for nothing less than 500% despite my day job. So far, EPIQ is one of only few to do that, and I treasure it, just wish I had more. Just found out it has options now, trading on the CBOE, so may have to look at that if it won't back off.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH

I don't have a grudge against anyone.  Terse and abrasive are two completely different things.  I don't think anyone here minds being abrasive and slamming people touting non-CANSLIM stocks. It's certainly not appropriate to slam people posting CANSLIM comments. I don't understand your comment on MOMO players as CANSLIM is momentum investing.  Momentum investing is not necessarily CANSLIM. I have a delete key and I use it everyday. My understanding of the purpose of this CANSLIM mailing list is for all of us to improve our CANSLIM investment results. We should all be striving for and developing a method to obtain the 300 to 400% that WON cronies get in the good times and to hold our money during the bad times. Oh almost forgot, most of us work so we have to try to strive for 150 to 200% (1/2 the WON cronies).
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:53 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH

Guess I don't see it that way.  I hate to type so I am certainly terse most of the time. Certainly I tend to slam people touting non-CANSLIM stocks, OTC-BBs, bottom fishing, MOMO players (yourself included). If you don't like it then you have a delete key - I suggest you learn to use it. If you have a personal grudge I suggest you take it off the list, starting with this post, which was personal and therefore should not have been sent to the entire list.

Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com

 
 -----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dempsey, Chris
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:26 AM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH

Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating ones opinions. However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, knifes and/or course sand paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time with your responses to other posts.

My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new IPO in the past eight years constitutes an N.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C1563E.BD890840-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BVF/USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 07:42:07 -0600 What can also help is keeping a print out of the charts of stocks you buy and plotting exactly where you buy and sell. On 15 Oct 01, at 19:02, Charles Cangialosi wrote: > > Stopped out of BVF today. I think my mistake was buying it to late so the > stop was to high, had I purchased it properly I would likely still be in. > I think I see the value of WON's suggestion to keep a diary to look back > later to see mistakes and good moves. I believe I will start one. > Big time confused on USPH. I was in at 18.24. I think the fundamentals > looked good. There seems to be two divergent opinions on this one, that sad > part is both seem correct while I am reading them. It is up now. Should I > raise my stop so if it falls apart I come out even? > > Thanks > > Charlie > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] Watching FRED DRMD MMSI Date: 16 Oct 2001 07:31:09 -0700 FREED - interesting stealth B/O, watching for some volume here. DRMD - nice saucer w/ handle, look at the vol steadily dribbling away in the handle. MMSI - breaking out past the closing high on low vol, reports tomorrow. Not a CANSLIM chart, no nearby base. Watching it anyway. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "charles cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 12:44:37 -0400 Stopped out of USPH. I forgot to put the stop in yesterday when I purchased it. I noticed it this morning and put the stop 8% below yesterdays closing price. Bang, kicked out again. Yet another mistake Had I put the stop where it should have been I would still be in. Time will tell if I did this right or wrong. I was tempted to jump back in and decided that was an emotional decision and I would probably be better off letting it go and figure it out later. I dont think emotional decisions work to well at this. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP + USPH pullbacks Date: 16 Oct 2001 12:57:36 -0400 Both of these plunged on heavy volume, then stabilized and began to move higher. Market maker manipulation? Clearing out some stops before heading to lunch? I took a small position in USPH under 18 once it stabilized. Although both these stocks technically violated their pivot today, I think they still have a shot. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 10:02:51 -0700 There is weak support at 16 which is also the 50 dma; you could consider buying back in on a bounce off that level, otherwise I'd let it go if I were you. I am in a similar situation with AHMH, I want back in because I still think it is a very good stock but am waiting for it to find the support. I thought it would bounce off the 50 dma yesterday btu it's trading below it right now. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of charles |cangialosi |Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:45 AM |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com |Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH | | | Stopped out of USPH. I forgot to put the stop in yesterday |when I purchased it. I noticed it this morning and put the |stop 8% below yesterdays closing price. Bang, kicked out |again. Yet another mistake Had I put the stop where it should |have been I would still be in. Time will tell if I did this |right or wrong. I was tempted to jump back in and decided that |was an emotional decision and I would probably be better off |letting it go and figure it out later. I dont think emotional |decisions work to well at this. | |Charlie | | |- |-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" |-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or |-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. | - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Boyd" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP + USPH pullbacks Date: 16 Oct 2001 17:05:52 GMT I lost count of how many stocks I watch that have done this same thing (even some I bought). Seems this has been a pattern for many months. Many valid breakouts just haven't had the energy to 'swim upstream' in this M. But there have been a few 'Krispy Kremes' mixed in. Norm Dave writes: > Both of these plunged on heavy volume, then stabilized and began to move > higher. > > Market maker manipulation? Clearing out some stops before heading to > lunch? > > I took a small position in USPH under 18 once it stabilized. Although both > these stocks technically violated their pivot today, I think they still > have a shot. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas Barone" Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: STJ Date: 16 Oct 2001 10:10:45 -0700 Hi: St. JUDE looks like it is breaking out - 2x volume but handle - not so straight and long and pivot a little un clear could go with all time high of 72.06 but 71 something is what I believe. it has great new products and the right side of cup has good volume Comments ? NVB _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RE: STJ Date: 16 Oct 2001 10:30:29 -0700 I was watching it this AM but was scared off by the deep V (second bottom of the double bottom formation). I also want the stock to advance 5% on the B/O. That's an HGS thing, shows strength. St. Jude is not doing that although the vol is definitely there. I will watch it until the close to see if it goes any higher. I might be a buyer at 73.50 or so. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Barone |Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:11 AM |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com |Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: STJ | | |Hi: | | |St. JUDE looks like it is breaking out - 2x volume |but handle - not so straight and long and pivot a little un clear | |could go with all time high of 72.06 but 71 something is what |I believe. | |it has great new products and the right side of cup has good volume | |Comments ? | |NVB | | | |_________________________________________________________________ |Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at |http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp | | |- |-To |subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" |-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or |-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. | - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 13:36:01 -0400 If you can afford to watch the market, I recommend avoiding stop loss orders and using mental stops instead. Services such as QuoteTracker can alert you when the stock comes close to your stop. The market makers see the stop loss orders. It is sometimes in their interest to artificially lower the stock's price in order to trigger them and get some cheaper inventory. It's possible this is what happened with USPH and ADVP today. Time will tell... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of charles cangialosi > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:45 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > Stopped out of USPH. I forgot to put the stop in yesterday when I > purchased it. I noticed it this morning and put the stop 8% > below yesterdays > closing price. Bang, kicked out again. Yet another mistake Had I put the > stop where it should have been I would still be in. Time will > tell if I did > this right or wrong. I was tempted to jump back in and decided > that was an > emotional decision and I would probably be better off letting it go and > figure it out later. I dont think emotional decisions work to > well at this. > > Charlie > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] BREL Date: 16 Oct 2001 21:39:58 +0200 Has somebody followd the pick of http://www.growthstockanalytics.com and went into BREL? Nice Move today ... I found it overextended yesterday, could not see a base, so I did not buy it ... See you Andreas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] ADVP + USPH pullbacks Date: 16 Oct 2001 21:45:37 +0200 I think the same, a very long list of stocks that had pullbacks and rollovers (just look at AHMH!). Do not know, but I think Canslim is not working yet. As Oneil Writes in his book: In a new bull market it takes 10 - 14 Weeks until the new leaders base and emerge from their base .. So I gues, its just to early right now to get a 50/50 chance ... See you Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Boyd [SMTP:theboyd@tisd.net] > Gesendet am: Dienstag, 16. Oktober 2001 19:06 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP + USPH pullbacks > > I lost count of how many stocks I watch that have done this same thing > (even some I bought). Seems this has been a pattern for many months. Many > valid breakouts just haven't had the energy to 'swim upstream' in this M. > But there have been a few 'Krispy Kremes' mixed in. > > Norm > > > > > Dave writes: > > > Both of these plunged on heavy volume, then stabilized and began to move > > higher. > > > > Market maker manipulation? Clearing out some stops before heading to > > lunch? > > > > I took a small position in USPH under 18 once it stabilized. Although both > > these stocks technically violated their pivot today, I think they still > > have a shot. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] Who of you do trade full time? Date: 16 Oct 2001 21:53:00 +0200 Hi, Who of you do trade full time? Regards Andreas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas Barone" Subject: [CANSLIM] MSCC Date: 16 Oct 2001 13:15:48 -0700 Hi all: Don't know what to call this pattern ? maybe double bottom - but I always thought that was a down trend pattern. but at 38.35 it's 1.83 above it's 52 week old high - that's about 5% - so buyable I guess ? not a lot of volume here. maybe up -- because of military contracts -- but up 9% today comments NVB _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Makara, Tamas" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 22:34:22 +0200 Look at the volume. That's institutional selling and not just a couple of short term traders whose stops have been hit, IMO. Dave wrote: > If you can afford to watch the market, I recommend avoiding stop loss > orders and using mental stops instead. Services such as QuoteTracker can > alert you when the stock comes close to your stop. > > The market makers see the stop loss orders. It is sometimes in their > interest to artificially lower the stock's price in order to trigger them > and get some cheaper inventory. It's possible this is what happened with > USPH and ADVP today. Time will tell... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of charles cangialosi > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:45 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > > > > Stopped out of USPH. I forgot to put the stop in yesterday when I > > purchased it. I noticed it this morning and put the stop 8% > > below yesterdays > > closing price. Bang, kicked out again. Yet another mistake Had I put the > > stop where it should have been I would still be in. Time will > > tell if I did > > this right or wrong. I was tempted to jump back in and decided > > that was an > > emotional decision and I would probably be better off letting it go and > > figure it out later. I dont think emotional decisions work to > > well at this. > > > > Charlie > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 14:03:14 -0700 I agree: http://iw.thomsonfn.com/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=usph&range=0&mgp=2001 1009&i=3&hdate=&x=14&y=12 Shows institutional selling early in the day. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Makara, Tamas |Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 1:34 PM |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com |Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH | | |Look at the volume. That's institutional selling and not just |a couple of short term traders whose stops have been hit, IMO. | |Dave wrote: | |> If you can afford to watch the market, I recommend avoiding |stop loss |> orders and using mental stops instead. Services such as QuoteTracker |> can alert you when the stock comes close to your stop. |> |> The market makers see the stop loss orders. It is sometimes in their |> interest to artificially lower the stock's price in order to trigger |> them and get some cheaper inventory. It's possible this is what |> happened with USPH and ADVP today. Time will tell... |> |> > -----Original Message----- |> > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com |> > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of charles |> > cangialosi |> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:45 PM |> > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com |> > Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH |> > |> > |> > Stopped out of USPH. I forgot to put the stop in |yesterday when |> > I purchased it. I noticed it this morning and put the stop |8% below |> > yesterdays closing price. Bang, kicked out again. Yet another |> > mistake Had I put the stop where it should have been I would still |> > be in. Time will tell if I did |> > this right or wrong. I was tempted to jump back in and decided |> > that was an |> > emotional decision and I would probably be better off |letting it go and |> > figure it out later. I dont think emotional decisions work to |> > well at this. |> > |> > Charlie |> > |> > |> > - |> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the |> > email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe |canslim". Do |> > not use quotes in your email. |> > |> |> - |> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" |> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe |> canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. | | | | |- |-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" |-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or |-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. | - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BREL Date: 16 Oct 2001 17:36:46 EDT Andreas: You might want to wait until it corrects-you're right it looks way too extended; however, while rare,WON says such high-flyers could be High Tight Flags (HTF). They go up 100-200% in 4 to 8 weeks, and then correct sideways for 3-5 weeks and do not retrace more than 10%-20%. You might want to check volume when it corrects to see if it dwindles (or perhaps rises heavily one or two days, but the stock doesn't fall much-These aren't in HTMMIS, but I think they would be valuable signals). HTF's are written up in HTMMIS on pp.158-159. jans In a message dated 10/16/2001 3:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, judgejimmy@web.de writes: << Has somebody followd the pick of http://www.growthstockanalytics.com and went into BREL? Nice Move today ... I found it overextended yesterday, could not see a base, so I did not buy it ... >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] BREL Date: 16 Oct 2001 23:55:38 +0200 Jans, Thank you, took me a while until I found out what HTMMIS means ;-) Thank you and Best Regards. Andreas Himmelreich P.S.: Good night, its 11:54 here, I call it a day ... > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Spencer48@aol.com [SMTP:Spencer48@aol.com] > Gesendet am: Dienstag, 16. Oktober 2001 23:37 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] BREL > > Andreas: > > You might want to wait until it corrects-you're right it looks way too > extended; however, while rare,WON says such high-flyers could be High Tight > Flags (HTF). They go up 100-200% in 4 to 8 weeks, and then correct sideways > for 3-5 weeks and do not retrace more than 10%-20%. You might want to check > volume when it corrects to see if it dwindles (or perhaps rises heavily one > or two days, but the stock doesn't fall much-These aren't in HTMMIS, but I > think they would be valuable signals). HTF's are written up in HTMMIS on > pp.158-159. > > jans > > > > In a message dated 10/16/2001 3:37:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > judgejimmy@web.de writes: > > << Has somebody followd the pick of http://www.growthstockanalytics.com and > went into BREL? Nice Move today ... > I found it overextended yesterday, could not see a base, so I did not buy it > ... >> > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 18:41:33 -0700 As it turns out I didn't put the stop. I thought I did, I was at work and was in the process. Something probably happened that diverted my attention, so I am still in. I think I will place the stop where it should have been from the start, I am glad I didn't buy more, unless it goes up. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 19:26:09 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C15678.69084B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageOh, if I could only have done it on the entire account, maybe I = would be writing this from my yacht anchored somewhere in the Caribbean = Sea. As I said, I look for individual stocks that can appreciate 500%, = and EPIQ has done that in the past 18 months. Even with the correction = it took several months, I am now up 466% on it, and was over 550% when = it was trading at its high. My goal, not yet ever achieved, is for the overall portfolio to gain = 100%. Right now my IRA just broke 60% for this year, so this may be my = best year yet for the entire portfolio (need over 76% for that). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dempsey, Chris=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 8:33 AM Subject: FW: [CANSLIM] USPH Please tell the group what years you were able to achieve a 500% = return in your CANSLIM account!=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:16 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Sorry, Chris, I settle for nothing less than 500% despite my day job. = So far, EPIQ is one of only few to do that, and I treasure it, just wish = I had more. Just found out it has options now, trading on the CBOE, so = may have to look at that if it won't back off. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dempsey, Chris=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH I don't have a grudge against anyone. Terse and abrasive are two = completely different things. I don't think anyone here minds being = abrasive and slamming people touting non-CANSLIM stocks. It's certainly = not appropriate to slam people posting CANSLIM comments. I don't = understand your comment on MOMO players as CANSLIM is momentum = investing. Momentum investing is not necessarily CANSLIM. I have a = delete key and I use it everyday. My understanding of the purpose of = this CANSLIM mailing list is for all of us to improve our CANSLIM = investment results. We should all be striving for and developing a = method to obtain the 300 to 400% that WON cronies get in the good times = and to hold our money during the bad times. Oh almost forgot, most of us = work so we have to try to strive for 150 to 200% (1/2 the WON cronies).=20 -----Original Message----- From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:53 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Guess I don't see it that way. I hate to type so I am certainly = terse most of the time. Certainly I tend to slam people touting = non-CANSLIM stocks, OTC-BBs, bottom fishing, MOMO players (yourself = included). If you don't like it then you have a delete key - I suggest = you learn to use it. If you have a personal grudge I suggest you take it = off the list, starting with this post, which was personal and therefore = should not have been sent to the entire list. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dempsey, Chris Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:26 AM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating ones opinions. = However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, knifes and/or course = sand paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time with your = responses to other posts. My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new IPO in the past eight = years constitutes an N.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C15678.69084B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Oh, if I could only have done it on the entire = account, maybe=20 I would be writing this from my yacht anchored somewhere in the = Caribbean Sea.=20 As I said, I look for individual stocks that can appreciate 500%, and = EPIQ has=20 done that in the past 18 months. Even with the correction it took = several=20 months, I am now up 466% on it, and was over 550% when it was trading at = its=20 high.
 
My goal, not yet ever achieved, is for the overall = portfolio=20 to gain 100%. Right now my IRA just broke 60% for this year, so this may = be my=20 best year yet for the entire portfolio (need over 76% for = that).
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dempsey, Chris
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 = 8:33=20 AM
Subject: FW: [CANSLIM] = USPH

Please=20 tell the group what years you were able to achieve a 500% return = in your=20 CANSLIM account! 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent:=20 Monday, October 15, 2001 7:16 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] USPH

Sorry, Chris, I settle for nothing less than 500% = despite my=20 day job. So far, EPIQ is one of only few to do that, and I treasure = it, just=20 wish I had more. Just found out it has options now, trading on the = CBOE, so=20 may have to look at that if it won't back off.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dempsey, Chris
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Monday, October 15, = 2001 7:58=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = USPH

I don't have a grudge against anyone.  Terse and = abrasive=20 are two completely different things.  I don't think anyone here = minds=20 being abrasive and slamming people touting non-CANSLIM stocks. It's=20 certainly not appropriate to slam people posting CANSLIM comments. I = don't=20 understand your comment on MOMO players as CANSLIM is momentum=20 investing.  Momentum investing is not necessarily CANSLIM. I = have a=20 delete key and I use it everyday. My understanding of the purpose of = this=20 CANSLIM mailing list is for all of us to improve our CANSLIM = investment=20 results. We should all be striving for and developing a method to = obtain the=20 300 to 400% that WON cronies get in the good times and to hold our=20 money during the bad times. Oh almost forgot, most of us = work so=20 we have to try to strive for 150 to 200% (1/2 the WON cronies).=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fisher=20 [mailto:tim@orerockon.com]
Sent: Monday, October 15, = 2001 12:53=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: = [CANSLIM] USPH

Guess I don't = see it that=20 way.  I hate to type so I am certainly terse most of the = time.=20 Certainly I tend to slam people touting non-CANSLIM stocks, = OTC-BBs,=20 bottom fishing, MOMO players (yourself included). If you don't = like it=20 then you have a delete key - I suggest you learn to use it. If you = have a=20 personal grudge I suggest you take it off the list, starting with = this=20 post, which was personal and therefore should not have been sent = to the=20 entire list.

Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds=20 Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com=20

 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of = Dempsey,=20 Chris
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:26 = AM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 USPH

Tim, I agree that this forum is about stating = ones=20 opinions. However, stating ones opinion with sledge hammers, = knifes=20 and/or course sand paper is slamming which is what you do 70% of = the=20 time with your responses to other posts.

My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new IPO = in the=20 past eight years constitutes an N.=20

------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C15678.69084B20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 19:30:34 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C15679.06CCC840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charlie, Remember that your initial stop should be set to prevent more than an 8% = loss of capital, thus should be approx 8% below the entry price, not the = closing price. Preferably, that will also put you just slightly below = (or maybe at the bottom of) the base. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH As it turns out I didn't put the stop. I thought I did, I was at work = and was in the process. Something probably happened that diverted my = attention, so I am still in. I think I will place the stop where it should have = been from the start, I am glad I didn't buy more, unless it goes up. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C15679.06CCC840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Charlie,
 
Remember that your initial stop should be set to = prevent more=20 than an 8% loss of capital, thus should be approx 8% below the entry = price, not=20 the closing price. Preferably, that will also put you just slightly = below (or=20 maybe at the bottom of) the base.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 = 9:41=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH


As it turns out I didn't put the stop. I thought I = did, I=20 was at work and
was in the process. Something probably happened = that=20 diverted my attention,
so I am still in. I think I will place the = stop=20 where it should have been
from the start, I am glad I didn't buy = more,=20 unless it goes up.

Charlie


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------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C15679.06CCC840-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BREL Date: 16 Oct 2001 19:37:29 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C15679.FE443900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I call this the "Anthrax rally syndrome" Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Himmelreich=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] BREL Has somebody followd the pick of http://www.growthstockanalytics.com = and went into BREL? Nice Move today ... I found it overextended yesterday, could not see a base, so I did not = buy it ... See you Andreas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C15679.FE443900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I call this the "Anthrax rally = syndrome"
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andreas = Himmelreich
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 = 3:39=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] BREL

Has somebody followd the pick of http://www.growthstockanalyt= ics.com=20 and went into BREL? Nice Move today ...
I found it overextended = yesterday,=20 could not see a base, so I did not buy it ...

See=20 you

Andreas



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Hi Nicholas,
 
I would call it a decent cup but without a handle, = unless you=20 count two or three days trading in the 35 range. Today's price gain was = better=20 than 8%, but the volume was only about 1.3X ADV, which I would take as a = minor=20 warning at least. For that kind of price gain, I would prefer to see the = volume=20 several times ADV at a minimum.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nicholas=20 Barone
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 = 4:15=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] MSCC

Hi all:

Don't know what to call this pattern = ?
maybe=20 double bottom  - but I always thought that was a down trend=20 pattern.

but at 38.35 it's 1.83 above it's 52 week old high - = that's=20 about 5% - so
buyable I guess ?

not a lot of volume here. = maybe up=20 -- because of military contracts -- but
up 9%=20 = today

comments

NVB



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------=_NextPart_000_007D_01C1567B.54798220-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 16:56:33 -0700 (PDT) not bad for a down year! Kent --- Tom Worley wrote: > MessageOh, if I could only have done it on the > entire account, maybe I would be writing this from > my yacht anchored somewhere in the Caribbean Sea. As > I said, I look for individual stocks that can > appreciate 500%, and EPIQ has done that in the past > 18 months. Even with the correction it took several > months, I am now up 466% on it, and was over 550% > when it was trading at its high. > > My goal, not yet ever achieved, is for the overall > portfolio to gain 100%. Right now my IRA just broke > 60% for this year, so this may be my best year yet > for the entire portfolio (need over 76% for that). > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dempsey, Chris > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 8:33 AM > Subject: FW: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > Please tell the group what years you were able to > achieve a 500% return in your CANSLIM account! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:16 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > Sorry, Chris, I settle for nothing less than 500% > despite my day job. So far, EPIQ is one of only few > to do that, and I treasure it, just wish I had more. > Just found out it has options now, trading on the > CBOE, so may have to look at that if it won't back > off. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dempsey, Chris > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:58 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > I don't have a grudge against anyone. Terse and > abrasive are two completely different things. I > don't think anyone here minds being abrasive and > slamming people touting non-CANSLIM stocks. It's > certainly not appropriate to slam people posting > CANSLIM comments. I don't understand your comment on > MOMO players as CANSLIM is momentum investing. > Momentum investing is not necessarily CANSLIM. I > have a delete key and I use it everyday. My > understanding of the purpose of this CANSLIM mailing > list is for all of us to improve our CANSLIM > investment results. We should all be striving for > and developing a method to obtain the 300 to 400% > that WON cronies get in the good times and to hold > our money during the bad times. Oh almost forgot, > most of us work so we have to try to strive for 150 > to 200% (1/2 the WON cronies). > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com] > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:53 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > Guess I don't see it that way. I hate to type > so I am certainly terse most of the time. Certainly > I tend to slam people touting non-CANSLIM stocks, > OTC-BBs, bottom fishing, MOMO players (yourself > included). If you don't like it then you have a > delete key - I suggest you learn to use it. If you > have a personal grudge I suggest you take it off the > list, starting with this post, which was personal > and therefore should not have been sent to the > entire list. > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf > Of Dempsey, Chris > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:26 AM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH > > > Tim, I agree that this forum is about > stating ones opinions. However, stating ones opinion > with sledge hammers, knifes and/or course sand paper > is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time > with your responses to other posts. > > My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new > IPO in the past eight years constitutes an N. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP + USPH pullbacks Date: 16 Oct 2001 19:57:29 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C1567C.C92BAA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ADVP and USPH look distributional to me, today's volume heavy, day's = range went lower than yesterday, closed almost at the bottom of the = range, and below the prior day. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP + USPH pullbacks Both of these plunged on heavy volume, then stabilized and began to = move higher. Market maker manipulation? Clearing out some stops before heading to lunch? I took a small position in USPH under 18 once it stabilized. Although = both these stocks technically violated their pivot today, I think they = still have a shot. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C1567C.C92BAA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ADVP and USPH look distributional to me, today's = volume heavy,=20 day's range went lower than yesterday, closed almost at the bottom of = the range,=20 and below the prior day.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 = 12:57=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP + USPH=20 pullbacks

Both of these plunged on heavy volume, then stabilized = and=20 began to move
higher.

Market maker manipulation? Clearing = out some=20 stops before heading to
lunch?

I took a small position in = USPH under=20 18 once it stabilized. Although both
these stocks technically = violated=20 their pivot today, I think they still
have a = shot.


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------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C1567C.C92BAA20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RE: STJ Date: 16 Oct 2001 19:53:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C1567C.4C2C7540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim, FWIW, I have been seeing lots of these "V" bottoms for the past = several weeks of looking at charts. So long as the "V" started on or = after 9/17, when we resumed trading, and returned to former levels, I = consider it a remarkable sign of strength. I would agree with you that the price gain seems small for over 3X ADV, = but at least it closed in the upper half of the day's range. Tomorrow = may provide a better sign. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 1:30 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RE: STJ I was watching it this AM but was scared off by the deep V (second bottom of the double bottom formation). I also want the stock to = advance 5% on the B/O. That's an HGS thing, shows strength. St. Jude is not doing that although the vol is definitely there. I will watch it until the close to see if it goes any higher. I might be a buyer at 73.50 or so.=20 Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com |-----Original Message----- |From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 |[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas = Barone |Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:11 AM |To: canslim@lists.xmission.com |Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: STJ | | |Hi: | | |St. JUDE looks like it is breaking out - 2x volume |but handle - not so straight and long and pivot a little un clear | |could go with all time high of 72.06 but 71 something is what=20 |I believe. | |it has great new products and the right side of cup has good volume | |Comments ? | |NVB | | | |_________________________________________________________________ |Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at=20 |http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp | | |- |-To=20 |subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" |-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or |-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. | - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C1567C.4C2C7540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tim, FWIW, I have been seeing lots of these "V" = bottoms for=20 the past several weeks of looking at charts. So long as the "V" started = on or=20 after 9/17, when we resumed trading, and returned to former levels, I = consider=20 it a remarkable sign of strength.
 
I would agree with you that the price gain seems = small for=20 over 3X ADV, but at least it closed in the upper half of the day's = range.=20 Tomorrow may provide a better sign.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 = 1:30=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RE: = STJ

I was watching it this AM but was scared off by the = deep V=20 (second
bottom of the double bottom formation). I also want the = stock to=20 advance
5% on the B/O. That's an HGS thing, shows strength. St. = Jude is=20 not
doing that although the vol is definitely there. I will watch = it=20 until
the close to see if it goes any higher. I might be a buyer at = 73.50=20 or
so.

Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds = Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com

|-----Origi= nal=20 Message-----
|From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20
|[mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Nicholas Barone
|Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:11 = AM
|To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
|Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] RE: STJ
|
|
|Hi:
|
|
|St. JUDE  looks = like it=20 is breaking out - 2x volume
|but handle  - not so straight and = long=20 and pivot a little un clear
|
|could go with all time high of = 72.06 but=20 71 something is what
|I believe.
|
|it has great new = products and=20 the right side of cup has good volume
|
|Comments=20 = ?
|
|NVB
|
|
|
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------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C1567C.4C2C7540-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching FRED DRMD MMSI Date: 16 Oct 2001 20:04:20 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C1567D.BE9326A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim, DRMD had a proposed merger offer on the table at the end of July, = don't know with whom, you would have to check the news back then. They = have also indicated they expect 12 cents for Q3. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim Fisher=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Watching FRED DRMD MMSI FREED - interesting stealth B/O, watching for some volume here. DRMD - nice saucer w/ handle, look at the vol steadily dribbling away in the handle. MMSI - breaking out past the closing high on low vol, reports tomorrow. Not a CANSLIM chart, no nearby base. Watching it anyway.=20 Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C1567D.BE9326A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tim,  DRMD had a proposed merger offer on the = table at=20 the end of July, don't know with whom, you would have to check the news = back=20 then. They have also indicated they expect 12 cents for Q3.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher
To: Canslim
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 = 10:31=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Watching = FRED DRMD=20 MMSI

FREED - interesting stealth B/O, watching for some = volume here.=20 DRMD -
nice saucer w/ handle, look at the vol steadily dribbling = away in=20 the
handle. MMSI - breaking out past the closing high on low vol,=20 reports
tomorrow. Not a CANSLIM chart, no nearby base. Watching it = anyway.=20



Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds = Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com


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------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C1567D.BE9326A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 16 Oct 2001 20:05:19 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C1567D.E1700440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable beats the money market I should have been in. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kent Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH not bad for a down year! Kent --- Tom Worley wrote: > MessageOh, if I could only have done it on the > entire account, maybe I would be writing this from > my yacht anchored somewhere in the Caribbean Sea. As > I said, I look for individual stocks that can > appreciate 500%, and EPIQ has done that in the past > 18 months. Even with the correction it took several > months, I am now up 466% on it, and was over 550% > when it was trading at its high. >=20 > My goal, not yet ever achieved, is for the overall > portfolio to gain 100%. Right now my IRA just broke > 60% for this year, so this may be my best year yet > for the entire portfolio (need over 76% for that). >=20 > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Dempsey, Chris=20 > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 8:33 AM > Subject: FW: [CANSLIM] USPH >=20 >=20 > Please tell the group what years you were able to > achieve a 500% return in your CANSLIM account!=20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:16 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH >=20 >=20 > Sorry, Chris, I settle for nothing less than 500% > despite my day job. So far, EPIQ is one of only few > to do that, and I treasure it, just wish I had more. > Just found out it has options now, trading on the > CBOE, so may have to look at that if it won't back > off. >=20 > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Dempsey, Chris=20 > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:58 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH >=20 >=20 > I don't have a grudge against anyone. Terse and > abrasive are two completely different things. I > don't think anyone here minds being abrasive and > slamming people touting non-CANSLIM stocks. It's > certainly not appropriate to slam people posting > CANSLIM comments. I don't understand your comment on > MOMO players as CANSLIM is momentum investing.=20 > Momentum investing is not necessarily CANSLIM. I > have a delete key and I use it everyday. My > understanding of the purpose of this CANSLIM mailing > list is for all of us to improve our CANSLIM > investment results. We should all be striving for > and developing a method to obtain the 300 to 400% > that WON cronies get in the good times and to hold > our money during the bad times. Oh almost forgot, > most of us work so we have to try to strive for 150 > to 200% (1/2 the WON cronies).=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com] > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:53 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH >=20 >=20 > Guess I don't see it that way. I hate to type > so I am certainly terse most of the time. Certainly > I tend to slam people touting non-CANSLIM stocks, > OTC-BBs, bottom fishing, MOMO players (yourself > included). If you don't like it then you have a > delete key - I suggest you learn to use it. If you > have a personal grudge I suggest you take it off the > list, starting with this post, which was personal > and therefore should not have been sent to the > entire list. > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com=20 >=20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf > Of Dempsey, Chris > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:26 AM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH >=20 >=20 > Tim, I agree that this forum is about > stating ones opinions. However, stating ones opinion > with sledge hammers, knifes and/or course sand paper > is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time > with your responses to other posts. >=20 > My understanding of CANSLIM is that a new > IPO in the past eight years constitutes an N.=20 >=20 >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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beats the money market I should have been = in.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kent=20 Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 = 7:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = USPH

not bad for a down year!

Kent
--- Tom Worley = <stkguru@netside.net> = wrote:
>=20 MessageOh, if I could only have done it on the
> entire account, = maybe I=20 would be writing this from
> my yacht anchored somewhere in the=20 Caribbean Sea. As
> I said, I look for individual stocks that=20 can
> appreciate 500%, and EPIQ has done that in the = past
> 18=20 months. Even with the correction it took several
> months, I am = now up=20 466% on it, and was over 550%
> when it was trading at its = high.
>=20
> My goal, not yet ever achieved, is for the overall
> = portfolio=20 to gain 100%. Right now my IRA just broke
> 60% for this year, = so this=20 may be my best year yet
> for the entire portfolio (need over = 76% for=20 that).
>
> Tom Worley
> stkguru@netside.net
> = AIM:=20 TexWorley
>
>   ----- Original Message -----=20
>   From: Dempsey, Chris
>   To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'= =20
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 8:33=20 AM
>   Subject: FW: [CANSLIM] USPH
>
>=20
>   Please tell the group what years you were able = to
>=20 achieve a 500% return in your CANSLIM account! =
>   =20
>   -----Original Message-----
>   = Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
&g= t;  =20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:16 PM
>   To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>  =20 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] USPH
>
>
>   = Sorry,=20 Chris, I settle for nothing less than 500%
> despite my day job. = So far,=20 EPIQ is one of only few
> to do that, and I treasure it, just = wish I had=20 more.
> Just found out it has options now, trading on = the
> CBOE,=20 so may have to look at that if it won't back
> off.
>=20
>   Tom Worley
>   stkguru@netside.net
> =  =20 AIM: TexWorley
>
>     ----- Original = Message=20 -----
>     From: Dempsey, Chris=20
>     To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'= =20
>     Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 7:58=20 PM
>     Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH
> =
>
>     I don't have a grudge = against=20 anyone.  Terse and
> abrasive are two completely different=20 things.  I
> don't think anyone here minds being abrasive=20 and
> slamming people touting non-CANSLIM stocks. It's
> = certainly=20 not appropriate to slam people posting
> CANSLIM comments. I = don't=20 understand your comment on
> MOMO players as CANSLIM is momentum = investing.
> Momentum investing is not necessarily CANSLIM. = I
>=20 have a delete key and I use it everyday. My
> understanding of = the=20 purpose of this CANSLIM mailing
> list is for all of us to = improve our=20 CANSLIM
> investment results. We should all be striving = for
> and=20 developing a method to obtain the 300 to 400%
> that WON cronies = get in=20 the good times and to hold
> our money during the bad times. Oh = almost=20 forgot,
> most of us work so we have to try to strive for = 150
> to=20 200% (1/2 the WON cronies). =
>      =20 -----Original Message-----
>       = Tim Fisher [mailto:tim@orerockon.com]
>&n= bsp;     =20 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 12:53=20 PM
>       To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>      =20 Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH
>
>=20
>       Guess I don't see it that = way.  I hate to type
> so I am certainly terse most of the = time.=20 Certainly
> I tend to slam people touting non-CANSLIM = stocks,
>=20 OTC-BBs, bottom fishing, MOMO players (yourself
> included). If = you=20 don't like it then you have a
> delete key - I suggest you learn = to use=20 it. If you
> have a personal grudge I suggest you take it off=20 the
> list, starting with this post, which was personal
> = and=20 therefore should not have been sent to the
> entire=20 list.
>       Tim=20 Fisher
>       OreRockOn - Oregon=20 Rockhounds Online
>       Tim@OreRockOn.com
> &nbs= p;    =20 http://OreRockOn.com
>=20
>       =20
>        -----Original=20 Message-----
>       From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com
>=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lis= ts.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf
> Of Dempsey,=20 Chris
>       Sent: Monday, = October 15,=20 2001 10:26 AM
>       To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=
>      =20 Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH
>
>=20
>         Tim, I agree = that=20 this forum is about
> stating ones opinions. However, stating = ones=20 opinion
> with sledge hammers, knifes and/or course sand = paper
>=20 is slamming which is what you do 70% of the time
> with your = responses=20 to other posts.
>=20
>         My = understanding of=20 CANSLIM is that a new
> IPO in the past eight years constitutes = an N.=20
>
>=20


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Sorry, that was the end of June, not = July.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 = 8:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Watching = FRED DRMD=20 MMSI

Tim,  DRMD had a proposed merger offer on the = table at=20 the end of July, don't know with whom, you would have to check the = news back=20 then. They have also indicated they expect 12 cents for = Q3.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tim = Fisher=20
To: Canslim
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, = 2001 10:31=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Watching = FRED DRMD=20 MMSI

FREED - interesting stealth B/O, watching for some = volume=20 here. DRMD -
nice saucer w/ handle, look at the vol steadily = dribbling=20 away in the
handle. MMSI - breaking out past the closing high on = low vol,=20 reports
tomorrow. Not a CANSLIM chart, no nearby base. Watching = it=20 anyway.



Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds=20 Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com


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------=_NextPart_000_00F9_01C15682.8E3EC4A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: [CANSLIM] Parallel Season Date: 16 Oct 2001 19:44:41 -0600 I also REALLY enjoy this. It is great to watch Montoya, Brack, or whoever wrestle with a corner that you've been struggling with yourself!! Hmm, Cleveland and Road America? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: [CANSLIM] Points Rambling Date: 16 Oct 2001 20:03:22 -0600 We haven't discussed the point system, so I thought I would throw out some observations and some opinions. First, observations on the main sactioning bodies point systems, and what they reward, with opinions mixed in. For my suggestion, see the bottom one. NASCAR - Points for 1st through last, 175/170/165/etc. - Delta drops to 4 points and then 3 points - Reward for win (1st over 2nd) 2.9% - Encourages showing up and not breaking - Opinion, not well-suited for online because it penalizes discos - Note that the last disco scores more points than the first disco!! CART - Points for 1st through 12th, 20/16/14/12/10/8/6/5/4/3/2/1 - Points scored for about 1/2 the field - Reward for win (1st over 2nd) 25% - Encourages winning first, and good finishes 2nd - Opinion, I really like this approach, no penalty for disco F1 - Points for 1st through 6th, 10/6/4/3/2/1 - Points scored for about 1/4 of the field - Reward for win (1st over 2nd) 67%!! - Encourages winning, winning, winning, podiums also okay - Opinion - A man's scoring system, but leaves no reason to race for the lower positions ASRL(old) - Points for 1st through last?, 41/38/36/34/32/.../2, 2 pt increments - Reward for win (1st over 2nd) 7.9% - Encourages showing up and not breaking - Opinion, not well-suited for online because it penalizes discos - Note that the last disco scores more points than the first disco!! Suggestion - I don't think we are buying anything by rewarding the last disco over the first disco. In fact, I would suggest it is not the best way to go. I would personally prefer something closer to CART, maybe adjusted for our race numbers. So, assuming about 18 starters per race, here is what I would suggest: ASRL Maybe- Points for 1st through 9th, 20/16/13/10/8/6/4/2/1 - Points scored for about 1/2 the field - Reward for win (1st over 2nd) 25% - Encourages winning first, and good finishes 2nd - Opinion, I really like this approach, no penalty for disco - Reward for finishing in 1st half of the field (which with disco's, isn't usually all that difficult) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: [CANSLIM] Points Rambling, Oops, Sorry OT Date: 16 Oct 2001 21:29:55 -0600 Hmm, I guess I should have put OT on this one, but if I had realized that, maybe I would have just corrected the address instead. Sorry and embarassed about that. >Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:03:22 -0600 >To: canslim xmission >From: esetser >Subject: Points Rambling > >We haven't discussed the point system, so I thought I would throw out some observations and some opinions. First, observations on the main sactioning bodies point systems, and what they reward, with opinions mixed in. For my suggestion, see the bottom one. > >NASCAR - Points for 1st through last, 175/170/165/etc. > - Delta drops to 4 points and then 3 points > - Reward for win (1st over 2nd) 2.9% > - Encourages showing up and not breaking > - Opinion, not well-suited for online because it penalizes discos > - Note that the last disco scores more points than the first disco!! > >CART - Points for 1st through 12th, 20/16/14/12/10/8/6/5/4/3/2/1 > - Points scored for about 1/2 the field > - Reward for win (1st over 2nd) 25% > - Encourages winning first, and good finishes 2nd > - Opinion, I really like this approach, no penalty for disco > >F1 - Points for 1st through 6th, 10/6/4/3/2/1 > - Points scored for about 1/4 of the field > - Reward for win (1st over 2nd) 67%!! > - Encourages winning, winning, winning, podiums also okay > - Opinion - A man's scoring system, but leaves no reason to race for the lower positions > >ASRL(old) - Points for 1st through last?, 41/38/36/34/32/.../2, 2 pt increments > - Reward for win (1st over 2nd) 7.9% > - Encourages showing up and not breaking > - Opinion, not well-suited for online because it penalizes discos > - Note that the last disco scores more points than the first disco!! > >Suggestion - I don't think we are buying anything by rewarding the last disco over the first disco. In fact, I would suggest it is not the best way to go. I would personally prefer something closer to CART, maybe adjusted for our race numbers. So, assuming about 18 starters per race, here is what I would suggest: > >ASRL Maybe- Points for 1st through 9th, 20/16/13/10/8/6/4/2/1 > - Points scored for about 1/2 the field > - Reward for win (1st over 2nd) 25% > - Encourages winning first, and good finishes 2nd > - Opinion, I really like this approach, no penalty for disco > - Reward for finishing in 1st half of the field (which with disco's, isn't usually all that difficult) > > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 12:01:35 -0400 Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those situations where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a new bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to me. Back on the sidelines again... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 09:15:45 -0700 I've had two dump me quick also. The rest are faring well. I don't see the general M turning down, nor do I see most CANSLIM stocks failing. I do see recent breakouts failing, which has me worried. Boring stocks like MIKE are holding up just fine. P.S. DORL looked to be forming a handle to me, when was the B/O? Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:02 AM Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those situations where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a new bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to me. Back on the sidelines again... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 12:35:32 -0400 > P.S. DORL looked to be forming a handle to me, when was the B/O? Admittedly I bended the rules, using the high on 10/1 as the pivot, and bought when the volume surged intraday on 10/9. So it was not a true breakout, but after further analysis I decided to hold, hoping the handle would lead to a fresh breakout. I guess this is a good example that cheating the rules is not a good idea. Another 7% loss, another lesson learned :) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 13:57:16 -0400 Unless the Government get's a handle on the terrorism, the market will very erratic. How can you even think of going long in this atmosphere. Protect your cash if you can't do short term trading. Look's to me like the party's going to be over for quite awhile. We possibly could turn into Israel. DanF ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM > Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading > yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those situations > where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. > > Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a new > bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard > within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to > me. Back on the sidelines again... > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 12:24:52 -0600 Just got out of GTNR. Earnings came out yesterday. DGO is now showing only 7% increases year over year for most recent quarter and 20% in earnings. Not the kind of earnings momentum needed for a strong CANSLIM growth stock. And it was already extended about 50% above 50dma. I got out first thing this morning at 18.75. Too bad. Before the earnings came out looking at the fundamentals and the stock price action of GTNR gave me hope that we might get some decent runups. So far this rally, if it's that, doesnt even look to me like the one in april. Back then I got at least four decent breakouts above the 52 week highs they returned me at least 30% a piece. I don't see that happening this time. Obviously the terroist attacks and the military action has something to do with this dismal performance. Nobody wants to put too much money at risk. I'm only 50% invested myself and am looking to cut back more this week. I think it's going to be another couple quarters before the earnings in the higher cap stocks start picking up. The average market cap of the stocks I own right now is about 200mil. I just havent found anything with greater market cap worth buying. I limit my stock selection to stocks with under 20% fund ownership and PE under 2.0xSP so that's keeping me in a fairly limited group of the smaller caps for the time being. At 12:01 PM 10/17/01 -0400, you wrote: >Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading >yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those situations >where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. > >Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a new >bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard >within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to >me. Back on the sidelines again... > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 21:26:24 +0200 Sounds good to me, I will cut back as well to 75% Cash. DFXI reported yesterday, 3 Cent ahead of estimates, a very bullish conference call and it looses today over 4% (???) I have not seen a lot of breakouts working latley, This is the second day of distribution (we already had one 9/27/2001!!!), and the first day the market can not shrugg off bad news and good news get ignored. Also bad: we startet in the green and are now in the red, in bull markets its the other way around ... Another day of Distribution and I will get flat ... Is Friday Tripple Witch Day? > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: DougC [SMTP:dzc@qwest.net] > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2001 20:25 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > Just got out of GTNR. Earnings came out yesterday. DGO is now showing only > 7% increases year over year for most recent quarter and 20% in earnings. > Not the kind of earnings momentum needed for a strong CANSLIM growth stock. > And it was already extended about 50% above 50dma. I got out first thing > this morning at 18.75. Too bad. Before the earnings came out looking at the > fundamentals and the stock price action of GTNR gave me hope that we might > get some decent runups. So far this rally, if it's that, doesnt even look > to me like the one in april. Back then I got at least four decent breakouts > above the 52 week highs they returned me at least 30% a piece. I don't see > that happening this time. Obviously the terroist attacks and the military > action has something to do with this dismal performance. Nobody wants to > put too much money at risk. I'm only 50% invested myself and am looking to > cut back more this week. I think it's going to be another couple quarters > before the earnings in the higher cap stocks start picking up. The average > market cap of the stocks I own right now is about 200mil. I just havent > found anything with greater market cap worth buying. I limit my stock > selection to stocks with under 20% fund ownership and PE under 2.0xSP so > that's keeping me in a fairly limited group of the smaller caps for the > time being. > > At 12:01 PM 10/17/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading > >yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those situations > >where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. > > > >Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a new > >bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard > >within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to > >me. Back on the sidelines again... > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "charles cangialosi" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 15:39:57 -0400 I too was stopped out of USPH, fortunately I did not go into DORL. My initial reaction is to head for cover too but also I realize that maybe me and my stock picking/pivot picking are probably the problem. OTOH, I cant afford to keep up at this pace either. WON said he hit 10 bad trades in a row so maybe we are in good company. I have to agree that at least to my untrained eyes the M seems OK, sort of. At least IBD is maintaining a positive attitude and I am trying to follow them and learn, still I suspect even they can be wrong sometimes. Charlie Discouraged but not giving up yet Charlie ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM > Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading > yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those situations > where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. > > Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a new > bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard > within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to > me. Back on the sidelines again... > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 21:51:59 +0200 Where did WOM say this? In IDB? > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: charles cangialosi [SMTP:CCANGIA@prodigy.net] > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2001 21:40 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > I too was stopped out of USPH, fortunately I did not go into DORL. My > initial reaction is to head for cover too but also I realize that maybe me > and my stock picking/pivot picking are probably the problem. OTOH, I cant > afford to keep up at this pace either. WON said he hit 10 bad trades in a > row so maybe we are in good company. > I have to agree that at least to my untrained eyes the M seems OK, sort > of. At least IBD is maintaining a positive attitude and I am trying to > follow them and learn, still I suspect even they can be wrong sometimes. > > Charlie > Discouraged but not giving up yet > Charlie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > > > Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading > > yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those situations > > where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. > > > > Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a new > > bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard > > within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to > > me. Back on the sidelines again... > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 17:24:35 EDT In a message dated 10/17/2001 1:56:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dforant1@nycap.rr.com writes: << Unless the Government get's a handle on the terrorism, the market will very erratic. How can you even think of going long in this atmosphere. Protect your cash if you can't do short term trading. Look's to me like the party's going to be over for quite awhile. We possibly could turn into Israel. DanF >> If that's the case, let's look for promising formations, like C&H's, in order to corner the "kepaw" market. jans ;) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 15:11:20 -0700 Nasdaq Composite : -- Technical -- The index gapped higher at the open and shortly thereafter touched its intraday high at 1754. From a technical perspective, this is notable because 1755 represents a 50% retracement of the long sell wave that started in early August. The sell pressure on its failure at 1755 isn't surprising, though the failure to follow through on initial sell pressure may be encouraging to market bulls. Look for the 1720/1724 area to serve as an intraday pivot point. To the downside, the index has decent support at 1702 which successfully held on its first test early this morning. According to the above short term support has been broken on the NASDAQ. That is short term bad news, as is the anthrax scare. As for the failed B/Os, ADVP's failed for a reason, it was not institutionals selling but the fact that a large health plan switched pharmacy providers to a competitor. Why do I think you all sound like a bunch of whining day-traders here? We have had 2 distribution days (if that; I am not convinced that today represented distribution on the NYSE, which is where ALL the stocks I hold are listed.) CANSLIM demands an intermediate-term outlook; to dump your stocks because of 1-1/2 distribution days in the midst of 3 strong confirmation days is silliness, IMHO. Let your stops take you out - that is what they are for. And don't use intraday stops if you can help it! I have been stopped out of 2 and am still in 4, so I am right where I need to be after some distribution. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:25 PM In a message dated 10/17/2001 1:56:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dforant1@nycap.rr.com writes: << Unless the Government get's a handle on the terrorism, the market will very erratic. How can you even think of going long in this atmosphere. Protect your cash if you can't do short term trading. Look's to me like the party's going to be over for quite awhile. We possibly could turn into Israel. DanF >> If that's the case, let's look for promising formations, like C&H's, in order to corner the "kepaw" market. jans ;) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 19:00:25 -0700 Page 86 in HTMMIS, but he said that out of every 10 stocks only one or two is outstanding which when I first read it I thought it meant that he got 10 wrong now that I re-read it maybe that was not what he meant. Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Andreas Himmelreich Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:52 PM Where did WOM say this? In IDB? > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: charles cangialosi [SMTP:CCANGIA@prodigy.net] > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2001 21:40 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > I too was stopped out of USPH, fortunately I did not go into DORL. My > initial reaction is to head for cover too but also I realize that maybe me > and my stock picking/pivot picking are probably the problem. OTOH, I cant > afford to keep up at this pace either. WON said he hit 10 bad trades in a > row so maybe we are in good company. > I have to agree that at least to my untrained eyes the M seems OK, sort > of. At least IBD is maintaining a positive attitude and I am trying to > follow them and learn, still I suspect even they can be wrong sometimes. > > Charlie > Discouraged but not giving up yet > Charlie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > > > Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading > > yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those situations > > where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. > > > > Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a new > > bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard > > within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to > > me. Back on the sidelines again... > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: IBD's attitutude (was Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs) Date: 17 Oct 2001 18:58:44 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C1573D.BEC6B680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charlie and Dave, One word of caution. Use IBD for news, for facts, for numbers on stocks. = But don't let them shape your attitude. Yes, they have been wrong. They also have a history, like any financial = newspaper, of looking back historically and telling us what we should = have all seen two or three or six months before. That's easy to do in = hindsight, very difficult to do in real time. You must let the market, or your interpretation of it, set your = attitude, then let time and events and prices show you if you = interpreted correctly, and adjust accordingly. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: charles cangialosi=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs At least IBD is maintaining a positive attitude and I am trying to follow them and learn, still I suspect even they can be wrong = sometimes. Charlie Discouraged but not giving up yet Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be = a new > bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard > within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April = to > me. 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Charlie and Dave,
 
One word of caution. Use IBD for news, for facts, = for numbers=20 on stocks. But don't let them shape your attitude.
 
Yes, they have been wrong. They also have a history, = like any=20 financial newspaper, of looking back historically and telling us what we = should=20 have all seen two or three or six months before. That's easy to do in = hindsight,=20 very difficult to do in real time.
 
You must let the market, or your interpretation of = it, set=20 your attitude, then let time and events and prices show you if you = interpreted=20 correctly, and adjust accordingly.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 charles=20 cangialosi
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, = 2001 3:39=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed = BOs
 
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follow them and learn, still I suspect even they can be wrong=20 sometimes.

Charlie
Discouraged but not giving up=20 yet
Charlie
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To: = <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM
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> within days it seems to me the market is not ready. = Looks=20 like April to
> me. Back on the sidelines=20 again...
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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C1573D.BEC6B680-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 18 Oct 2001 01:14:45 +0200 Tim, I love you !!! Very good analysis. Nevertheless, a lot of Breakouts failed, and I do belive that there was a bit of panik and the market did look at the bad news and did not look on good news ... Before today I was bullish (green light) after today I am very, very cautious (yellow light). Good night ... (its 01:14, time to go to bed ...) Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Tim Fisher [SMTP:tim@orerockon.com] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2001 00:11 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: RE: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > Nasdaq Composite : -- Technical -- The index gapped higher at the open > and shortly thereafter touched its intraday high at 1754. From a > technical perspective, this is notable because 1755 represents a 50% > retracement of the long sell wave that started in early August. The sell > pressure on its failure at 1755 isn't surprising, though the failure to > follow through on initial sell pressure may be encouraging to market > bulls. Look for the 1720/1724 area to serve as an intraday pivot point. > To the downside, the index has decent support at 1702 which successfully > held on its first test early this morning. > > According to the above short term support has been broken on the NASDAQ. > That is short term bad news, as is the anthrax scare. As for the failed > B/Os, ADVP's failed for a reason, it was not institutionals selling but > the fact that a large health plan switched pharmacy providers to a > competitor. Why do I think you all sound like a bunch of whining > day-traders here? We have had 2 distribution days (if that; I am not > convinced that today represented distribution on the NYSE, which is > where ALL the stocks I hold are listed.) CANSLIM demands an > intermediate-term outlook; to dump your stocks because of 1-1/2 > distribution days in the midst of 3 strong confirmation days is > silliness, IMHO. Let your stops take you out - that is what they are > for. And don't use intraday stops if you can help it! I have been > stopped out of 2 and am still in 4, so I am right where I need to be > after some distribution. > > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:25 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > > In a message dated 10/17/2001 1:56:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dforant1@nycap.rr.com writes: > > << Unless the Government get's a handle on the terrorism, the market > will very erratic. How can you even think of going long in this > atmosphere. Protect your cash if you can't do short term trading. > Look's to me like the party's going to be over for quite awhile. We > possibly could turn into Israel. > > DanF >> > > If that's the case, let's look for promising formations, like > C&H's, in > order to corner the "kepaw" market. > > jans ;) > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 17 Oct 2001 19:11:48 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1573F.91C8D9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, I would question whether DORL and USPH are good examples of "breakouts = of fundamentally strong stocks". These two were two from their recent = high before 9/11/01 17 and 21 percent. That they did well since the = attack suggests to me a move by external events rather than driven from = their own fundamentals. And the four weeks since we resumed trading is = hardly enough time to establish them as leaders. Perception is very important in investing. Obviously, if you make money, = it seems more likely to be a bull market than if you are losing money. = My IRA is 100% invested, all small to micro caps, and made me 1.8% = today. My VR fund is 87% invested, also in small to micro caps, many low = priced and many thinly traded. The fund lost 0.2%. But since the major = indexes lost much more, I consider that a victory for the day, = especially since I must be at least 65% invested. I did a lot of buying = on Monday and Tuesday, and a few sells, in my fund. Looking back, my = only regret is several of the sells where I gave up on a few under = performers, and naturally they popped as soon as I let go of them. Thank = you, Murphy! So from where I sit, I am bullish on this market. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those = situations where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a = new bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April = to me. 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Hi Dave,
 
I would question whether DORL and USPH are good = examples of=20 "breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks". These two were two from = their recent=20 high before 9/11/01 17 and 21 percent. That they did well since the = attack=20 suggests to me a move by external events rather than driven from their = own=20 fundamentals. And the four weeks since we resumed trading is hardly = enough time=20 to establish them as leaders.
 
Perception is very important in investing. = Obviously, if you=20 make money, it seems more likely to be a bull market than if you are = losing=20 money. My IRA is 100% invested, all small to micro caps, and made me = 1.8% today.=20 My VR fund is 87% invested, also in small to micro caps, many low priced = and=20 many thinly traded. The fund lost 0.2%. But since the major indexes lost = much=20 more, I consider that a victory for the day, especially since I must be = at least=20 65% invested. I did a lot of buying on Monday and Tuesday, and a few = sells, in=20 my fund. Looking back, my only regret is several of the sells where I = gave up on=20 a few under performers, and naturally they popped as soon as I let go of = them.=20 Thank you, Murphy! So from where I sit, I am bullish on this=20 market.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, = 2001 12:01=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Failed = BOs

Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at = end of=20 trading
yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of = those=20 situations
where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% = loss.

Despite=20 all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a = new
bull=20 market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail = hard
within days=20 it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to
me. = Back on the=20 sidelines again...


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Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Tim Fisher [SMTP:tim@orerockon.com] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2001 00:11 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: RE: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > Nasdaq Composite : -- Technical -- The index gapped higher at the open > and shortly thereafter touched its intraday high at 1754. From a > technical perspective, this is notable because 1755 represents a 50% > retracement of the long sell wave that started in early August. The > sell pressure on its failure at 1755 isn't surprising, though the > failure to follow through on initial sell pressure may be encouraging > to market bulls. Look for the 1720/1724 area to serve as an intraday > pivot point. To the downside, the index has decent support at 1702 > which successfully held on its first test early this morning. > > According to the above short term support has been broken on the > NASDAQ. That is short term bad news, as is the anthrax scare. As for > the failed B/Os, ADVP's failed for a reason, it was not institutionals > selling but the fact that a large health plan switched pharmacy > providers to a competitor. Why do I think you all sound like a bunch > of whining day-traders here? We have had 2 distribution days (if that; > I am not convinced that today represented distribution on the NYSE, > which is where ALL the stocks I hold are listed.) CANSLIM demands an > intermediate-term outlook; to dump your stocks because of 1-1/2 > distribution days in the midst of 3 strong confirmation days is > silliness, IMHO. Let your stops take you out - that is what they are > for. And don't use intraday stops if you can help it! I have been > stopped out of 2 and am still in 4, so I am right where I need to be > after some distribution. > > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Spencer48@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:25 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > > In a message dated 10/17/2001 1:56:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > dforant1@nycap.rr.com writes: > > << Unless the Government get's a handle on the terrorism, the market > will very erratic. How can you even think of going long in this > atmosphere. Protect your cash if you can't do short term trading. > Look's to me like the party's going to be over for quite awhile. We > possibly could turn into Israel. > > DanF >> > > If that's the case, let's look for promising formations, like > C&H's, in order to corner the "kepaw" market. > > jans ;) > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe > canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 18 Oct 2001 01:24:13 +0200 I think he means, that 2 out of 10 are very good picks. In Market Wizzards David Ryan says that every CANSLIM pick has a 50/50 Chance to break even. That has definitly not been the case lately. But he also says 24 Essential Lessons for Invesment Succes --> "New big winners emerge during the first ten to fifteen weeks of a new bull market ... (Page 83)." So time (or another 2 distribution days in the next 1 - 2 Weeks) will tell if we have been just a bit to early. See you ... Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Charles Cangialosi [SMTP:ccangia@prodigy.net] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2001 04:00 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: RE: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > Page 86 in HTMMIS, but he said that out of every 10 stocks only one or two > is outstanding which when I first read it I thought it meant that he got 10 > wrong now that I re-read it maybe that was not what he meant. > > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Andreas > Himmelreich > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:52 PM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > > Where did WOM say this? In IDB? > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: charles cangialosi [SMTP:CCANGIA@prodigy.net] > > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 17. Oktober 2001 21:40 > > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > > > I too was stopped out of USPH, fortunately I did not go into DORL. My > > initial reaction is to head for cover too but also I realize that maybe me > > and my stock picking/pivot picking are probably the problem. OTOH, I cant > > afford to keep up at this pace either. WON said he hit 10 bad trades in a > > row so maybe we are in good company. > > I have to agree that at least to my untrained eyes the M seems OK, > sort > > of. At least IBD is maintaining a positive attitude and I am trying to > > follow them and learn, still I suspect even they can be wrong sometimes. > > > > Charlie > > Discouraged but not giving up yet > > Charlie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > > > > > > Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading > > > yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those > situations > > > where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. > > > > > > Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a > new > > > bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard > > > within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to > > > me. Back on the sidelines again... > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: [CANSLIM] MGAM Date: 17 Oct 2001 17:22:50 -0600 MGAM looks like it could be setting up for a breakout sometime in the next week or two. It might not be showing up on all CANSLIM screens because EPS is 79, ADV is 171K, Group RS is 49 and DGO isn't showing a 5 year growth rate. So now that those negatives are out of the way...it's got a RS of 99, all the other DGO 'proprietary' criteria look good. Annual earnings est for this year and next are very strong...over 70%. Last two quarters earnings are both over 70% and there is sequential momentum building in both rev and earnings over the last three quarters. The price action today was especially interesting. It's current price, at 20.80, is about 11% below the intra high of 23.10 from way back in July. Today it lost only .15 on 3X volume. What does that mean? U/D is 1.7. There has been some accumulation going on recently. PE is 32 which is 1.5xSP. Cash flow is 1.92 and ROE 24%. Funds is 13% and Mgmt 39%. I'm not sure if I would call the base a cup or a double bottom. I think cup. What I really will find interesting over the next couple weeks is if it can continue to maintain a tight range around the 21 level. Believe it not, I've seen that type of action described as a strong handle as opposed to one that drops 15% or so before turning back up and breaking out. I bought in at 18.09 couple weeks ago. I might buy some more if it keeps this up. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM Date: 17 Oct 2001 19:56:36 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C15745.D3F519E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Doug, Looks like they must do 35 cents in Q4 (ended Sept) to meet full year = expectations. Looks possible, but doubtful they can much exceed that. = And with the drop in travel and other things, including gambling, since = 9/11, they may even fall short. And I would think the 80 cents for the = full year is already completely priced into the stock price. Both a double bottom and a cup can have handles. And I personally much = prefer a horizontal handle with a very tight range to one that is = drooping or is volatile. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] MGAM MGAM looks like it could be setting up for a breakout sometime in the = next=20 week or two. It might not be showing up on all CANSLIM screens because = EPS=20 is 79, ADV is 171K, Group RS is 49 and DGO isn't showing a 5 year = growth=20 rate. So now that those negatives are out of the way...it's got a RS = of 99,=20 all the other DGO 'proprietary' criteria look good. Annual earnings = est for=20 this year and next are very strong...over 70%. Last two quarters = earnings=20 are both over 70% and there is sequential momentum building in both = rev and=20 earnings over the last three quarters. The price action today was=20 especially interesting. It's current price, at 20.80, is about 11% = below=20 the intra high of 23.10 from way back in July. Today it lost only .15 = on 3X=20 volume. What does that mean? U/D is 1.7. There has been some = accumulation=20 going on recently. PE is 32 which is 1.5xSP. Cash flow is 1.92 and = ROE=20 24%. Funds is 13% and Mgmt 39%. I'm not sure if I would call the base = a cup=20 or a double bottom. I think cup. What I really will find interesting = over=20 the next couple weeks is if it can continue to maintain a tight range=20 around the 21 level. Believe it not, I've seen that type of action=20 described as a strong handle as opposed to one that drops 15% or so = before=20 turning back up and breaking out. I bought in at 18.09 couple weeks = ago. I=20 might buy some more if it keeps this up. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Hi Doug,
 
Looks like they must do 35 cents in Q4 (ended Sept) = to meet=20 full year expectations. Looks possible, but doubtful they can much = exceed that.=20 And with the drop in travel and other things, including gambling, since = 9/11,=20 they may even fall short. And I would think the 80 cents for the full = year is=20 already completely priced into the stock price.
 
Both a double bottom and a cup can have handles. And = I=20 personally much prefer a horizontal handle with a very tight range to = one that=20 is drooping or is volatile.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, = 2001 7:22=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] MGAM

MGAM looks like it could be setting up for a breakout = sometime=20 in the next
week or two. It might not be showing up on all CANSLIM = screens=20 because EPS
is 79, ADV is 171K, Group RS is 49 and DGO isn't = showing a 5=20 year growth
rate. So now that those negatives are out of the = way...it's=20 got a RS of 99,
all the other DGO 'proprietary' criteria look = good. Annual=20 earnings est for
this year and next are very strong...over 70%. = Last two=20 quarters earnings
are both over 70% and there is sequential = momentum=20 building in both rev and
earnings over the last three quarters. = The price=20 action today was
especially interesting. It's current price, at = 20.80, is=20 about 11% below
the intra high of 23.10 from way back in July. = Today it=20 lost only .15 on 3X
volume. What does that mean? U/D is 1.7. There = has=20 been some accumulation
going on recently.  PE is 32 which is = 1.5xSP.=20 Cash flow is 1.92 and ROE
24%. Funds is 13% and Mgmt 39%. I'm not = sure if=20 I would call the base a cup
or a double bottom. I think cup. What = I really=20 will find interesting over
the next couple weeks is if it can = continue to=20 maintain a tight range
around the 21 level. Believe it not, I've = seen that=20 type of action
described as a strong handle as opposed to one that = drops=20 15% or so before
turning back up and breaking out. I bought in at = 18.09=20 couple weeks ago. I
might buy some more if it keeps this=20 up.

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------=_NextPart_000_00BE_01C15745.D3F519E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM Date: 17 Oct 2001 18:31:56 -0600 --=====================_372481701==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That's a good point Tom about needing to make .35 to meet the .80 annual est. But lets say the earnings are flat at .24 for this coming quarter. That gives total earnings of .69 which is a 50% increase over .46. (I'm hoping I'm getting my math right here). Which still ain't bad. And another point....DGO describes MGAM's business as involving selling high stakes and electronic based bingo games to the Indian Gaming industry. (Personally Bingo doesn't excite me as a growth industry but neither did donuts or commercial education and I missed out on those. I'm trying not to make that mistake again.) Indian casinos are spread out all over the country and are far easier to get to then the traditional casino meccas. What do you think of 3X adv and virtually no price movement. Is that churning, distribution, or what? 07:56 PM 10/17/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Doug, > >Looks like they must do 35 cents in Q4 (ended Sept) to meet full year >expectations. Looks possible, but doubtful they can much exceed that. And >with the drop in travel and other things, including gambling, since 9/11, >they may even fall short. And I would think the 80 cents for the full year >is already completely priced into the stock price. > >Both a double bottom and a cup can have handles. And I personally much >prefer a horizontal handle with a very tight range to one that is drooping >or is volatile. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: DougC >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:22 PM >>Subject: [CANSLIM] MGAM >> >>MGAM looks like it could be setting up for a breakout sometime in the next >>week or two. It might not be showing up on all CANSLIM screens because EPS >>is 79, ADV is 171K, Group RS is 49 and DGO isn't showing a 5 year growth >>rate. So now that those negatives are out of the way...it's got a RS of 99, >>all the other DGO 'proprietary' criteria look good. Annual earnings est for >>this year and next are very strong...over 70%. Last two quarters earnings >>are both over 70% and there is sequential momentum building in both rev and >>earnings over the last three quarters. The price action today was >>especially interesting. It's current price, at 20.80, is about 11% below >>the intra high of 23.10 from way back in July. Today it lost only .15 on 3X >>volume. What does that mean? U/D is 1.7. There has been some accumulation >>going on recently. PE is 32 which is 1.5xSP. Cash flow is 1.92 and ROE >>24%. Funds is 13% and Mgmt 39%. I'm not sure if I would call the base a cup >>or a double bottom. I think cup. What I really will find interesting over >>the next couple weeks is if it can continue to maintain a tight range >>around the 21 level. Believe it not, I've seen that type of action >>described as a strong handle as opposed to one that drops 15% or so before >>turning back up and breaking out. I bought in at 18.09 couple weeks ago. I >>might buy some more if it keeps this up. >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >>"majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. --=====================_372481701==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" That's a good point Tom about needing to make .35 to meet the .80 annual est. But lets say the earnings are flat at .24 for this coming quarter. That gives total earnings of .69 which is a 50% increase over .46. (I'm hoping I'm getting my math right here). Which still ain't bad. And another point....DGO describes MGAM's business as involving selling high stakes and electronic based bingo games to the Indian Gaming industry. (Personally Bingo doesn't excite me as a growth industry but neither did donuts or commercial education and I missed out on those. I'm trying not to make that mistake again.) Indian casinos are spread out all over the country and are far easier to get to then the traditional casino meccas.

What do you think of 3X adv and virtually no price movement. Is that churning, distribution, or what?



07:56 PM 10/17/01 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Doug,
 
Looks like they must do 35 cents in Q4 (ended Sept) to meet full year expectations. Looks possible, but doubtful they can much exceed that. And with the drop in travel and other things, including gambling, since 9/11, they may even fall short. And I would think the 80 cents for the full year is already completely priced into the stock price.
 
Both a double bottom and a cup can have handles. And I personally much prefer a horizontal handle with a very tight range to one that is drooping or is volatile.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From: DougC
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:22 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] MGAM

MGAM looks like it could be setting up for a breakout sometime in the next
week or two. It might not be showing up on all CANSLIM screens because EPS
is 79, ADV is 171K, Group RS is 49 and DGO isn't showing a 5 year growth
rate. So now that those negatives are out of the way...it's got a RS of 99,
all the other DGO 'proprietary' criteria look good. Annual earnings est for
this year and next are very strong...over 70%. Last two quarters earnings
are both over 70% and there is sequential momentum building in both rev and
earnings over the last three quarters. The price action today was
especially interesting. It's current price, at 20.80, is about 11% below
the intra high of 23.10 from way back in July. Today it lost only .15 on 3X
volume. What does that mean? U/D is 1.7. There has been some accumulation
going on recently.  PE is 32 which is 1.5xSP. Cash flow is 1.92 and ROE
24%. Funds is 13% and Mgmt 39%. I'm not sure if I would call the base a cup
or a double bottom. I think cup. What I really will find interesting over
the next couple weeks is if it can continue to maintain a tight range
around the 21 level. Believe it not, I've seen that type of action
described as a strong handle as opposed to one that drops 15% or so before
turning back up and breaking out. I bought in at 18.09 couple weeks ago. I
might buy some more if it keeps this up.

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So if they only end up with 24 cents, the = reaction is more likely to be "gee, we were expecting 40 cents so they = would beat the forecast" rather than "hey, look at this, up 50% over = last year". "Investors" are looking for an excuse to lock in short term trading = profits, rather than recognizing that the winners are the ones they = should keep, and the losers, where they have losses, are they ones to = sell. I do agree, tribal casinos are popping up all over, even if they are not = on traditional tribal lands, much less a traditional tribal occupation. = So they are easier to travel to, but if the population just wants to = stay home where they feel safe, or just got laid off so money is tight, = then even the convenience of driving to an Indian casino may not appeal. = A few months ago, new Indian casino facilities were appearing so fast = that many were operating, surprise, out of tents or other temporary = structures because they couldn't be built that fast. I haven't seen much = news lately about this growth, don't know if the growth stopped, or is = just not being reported. Heavy volume without price appreciation is always suspect, and = suggestive of distribution where the institutionals are dumping, and the = retail smucks (us guys) are buying. I would watch the up/down ratio = closely for a direction of its trend. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM That's a good point Tom about needing to make .35 to meet the .80 = annual est. But lets say the earnings are flat at .24 for this coming = quarter. That gives total earnings of .69 which is a 50% increase over = .46. (I'm hoping I'm getting my math right here). Which still ain't bad. = And another point....DGO describes MGAM's business as involving selling = high stakes and electronic based bingo games to the Indian Gaming = industry. (Personally Bingo doesn't excite me as a growth industry but = neither did donuts or commercial education and I missed out on those. = I'm trying not to make that mistake again.) Indian casinos are spread = out all over the country and are far easier to get to then the = traditional casino meccas.=20 What do you think of 3X adv and virtually no price movement. Is that = churning, distribution, or what? 07:56 PM 10/17/01 -0400, you wrote: Hi Doug, =20 Looks like they must do 35 cents in Q4 (ended Sept) to meet full = year expectations. Looks possible, but doubtful they can much exceed = that. And with the drop in travel and other things, including gambling, = since 9/11, they may even fall short. And I would think the 80 cents for = the full year is already completely priced into the stock price. =20 Both a double bottom and a cup can have handles. And I personally = much prefer a horizontal handle with a very tight range to one that is = drooping or is volatile. =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] MGAM MGAM looks like it could be setting up for a breakout sometime in = the next=20 week or two. It might not be showing up on all CANSLIM screens = because EPS=20 is 79, ADV is 171K, Group RS is 49 and DGO isn't showing a 5 year = growth=20 rate. So now that those negatives are out of the way...it's got a = RS of 99,=20 all the other DGO 'proprietary' criteria look good. Annual = earnings est for=20 this year and next are very strong...over 70%. Last two quarters = earnings=20 are both over 70% and there is sequential momentum building in = both rev and=20 earnings over the last three quarters. The price action today was=20 especially interesting. It's current price, at 20.80, is about 11% = below=20 the intra high of 23.10 from way back in July. Today it lost only = .15 on 3X=20 volume. What does that mean? U/D is 1.7. There has been some = accumulation=20 going on recently. PE is 32 which is 1.5xSP. Cash flow is 1.92 = and ROE=20 24%. Funds is 13% and Mgmt 39%. I'm not sure if I would call the = base a cup=20 or a double bottom. I think cup. What I really will find = interesting over=20 the next couple weeks is if it can continue to maintain a tight = range=20 around the 21 level. Believe it not, I've seen that type of action = described as a strong handle as opposed to one that drops 15% or = so before=20 turning back up and breaking out. I bought in at 18.09 couple = weeks ago. I=20 might buy some more if it keeps this up. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C15751.A3D99E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Doug,
 
We are in very volatile times, where whisper numbers = get=20 investors hyped, then sell on news when even the whisper # isn't blown = away.=20 Forget what the analysts are "officially" saying, even what they say to = their=20 most important clients isn't considered acceptable unless the final = results=20 exceed that. So if they only end up with 24 cents, the reaction is more = likely=20 to be "gee, we were expecting 40 cents so they would beat the forecast" = rather=20 than "hey, look at this, up 50% over last year".
 
"Investors" are looking for an excuse to lock in = short term=20 trading profits, rather than recognizing that the winners are the ones = they=20 should keep, and the losers, where they have losses, are they ones to=20 sell.
 
I do agree, tribal casinos are popping up all over, = even if=20 they are not on traditional tribal lands, much less a traditional tribal = occupation. So they are easier to travel to, but if the population just = wants to=20 stay home where they feel safe, or just got laid off so money is tight, = then=20 even the convenience of driving to an Indian casino may not appeal. A = few months=20 ago, new Indian casino facilities were appearing so fast that many were=20 operating, surprise, out of tents or other temporary structures because = they=20 couldn't be built that fast. I haven't seen much news lately about this = growth,=20 don't know if the growth stopped, or is just not being = reported.
 
Heavy volume without price appreciation is always = suspect, and=20 suggestive of distribution where the institutionals are dumping, and the = retail=20 smucks (us guys) are buying. I would watch the up/down ratio closely for = a=20 direction of its trend.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, = 2001 8:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = MGAM

That's a good point Tom about needing to make .35 to = meet the=20 .80 annual est. But lets say the earnings are flat at .24 for this = coming=20 quarter. That gives total earnings of .69 which is a 50% increase over = .46.=20 (I'm hoping I'm getting my math right here). Which still ain't bad. = And=20 another point....DGO describes MGAM's business as involving selling = high=20 stakes and electronic based bingo games to the Indian Gaming industry. = (Personally Bingo doesn't excite me as a growth industry but neither = did=20 donuts or commercial education and I missed out on those. I'm trying = not to=20 make that mistake again.) Indian casinos are spread out all over the = country=20 and are far easier to get to then the traditional casino meccas. =

What=20 do you think of 3X adv and virtually no price movement. Is that = churning,=20 distribution, or what?



07:56 PM 10/17/01 -0400, you=20 wrote:
Hi Doug,
 
Looks=20 like they must do 35 cents in Q4 (ended Sept) to meet full year=20 expectations. Looks possible, but doubtful they can much exceed = that. And=20 with the drop in travel and other things, including gambling, since = 9/11,=20 they may even fall short. And I would think the 80 cents for the = full year=20 is already completely priced into the stock = price.
 
Both a double bottom and a cup can have handles. And I = personally=20 much prefer a horizontal handle with a very tight range to one that = is=20 drooping or is volatile.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 DougC
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:22 = PM
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] MGAM

MGAM looks like it could be setting up for a = breakout sometime in the next
week or two. It might not be = showing up=20 on all CANSLIM screens because EPS
is 79, ADV is 171K, Group = RS is 49=20 and DGO isn't showing a 5 year growth
rate. So now that those=20 negatives are out of the way...it's got a RS of 99,
all the = other DGO=20 'proprietary' criteria look good. Annual earnings est for
this = year=20 and next are very strong...over 70%. Last two quarters earnings =
are=20 both over 70% and there is sequential momentum building in both = rev and=20
earnings over the last three quarters. The price action today = was=20
especially interesting. It's current price, at 20.80, is about = 11%=20 below
the intra high of 23.10 from way back in July. Today it = lost=20 only .15 on 3X
volume. What does that mean? U/D is 1.7. There = has been=20 some accumulation
going on recently.  PE is 32 which is = 1.5xSP.=20 Cash flow is 1.92 and ROE
24%. Funds is 13% and Mgmt 39%. I'm = not sure=20 if I would call the base a cup
or a double bottom. I think = cup. What I=20 really will find interesting over
the next couple weeks is if = it can=20 continue to maintain a tight range
around the 21 level. = Believe it=20 not, I've seen that type of action
described as a strong = handle as=20 opposed to one that drops 15% or so before
turning back up and = breaking out. I bought in at 18.09 couple weeks ago. I
might = buy some=20 more if it keeps this up.

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------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C15751.A3D99E00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM Date: 17 Oct 2001 23:58:59 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C15767.B05CBC00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug, This stock popped up on my screen today using TC2000. I agree, today's = volume doesn't agree with the last few days of drying up, but I'll be = watching it. Did you ride through the September dip? Perry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM Hi Doug, We are in very volatile times, where whisper numbers get investors = hyped, then sell on news when even the whisper # isn't blown away. = Forget what the analysts are "officially" saying, even what they say to = their most important clients isn't considered acceptable unless the = final results exceed that. So if they only end up with 24 cents, the = reaction is more likely to be "gee, we were expecting 40 cents so they = would beat the forecast" rather than "hey, look at this, up 50% over = last year". "Investors" are looking for an excuse to lock in short term trading = profits, rather than recognizing that the winners are the ones they = should keep, and the losers, where they have losses, are they ones to = sell. I do agree, tribal casinos are popping up all over, even if they are = not on traditional tribal lands, much less a traditional tribal = occupation. So they are easier to travel to, but if the population just = wants to stay home where they feel safe, or just got laid off so money = is tight, then even the convenience of driving to an Indian casino may = not appeal. A few months ago, new Indian casino facilities were = appearing so fast that many were operating, surprise, out of tents or = other temporary structures because they couldn't be built that fast. I = haven't seen much news lately about this growth, don't know if the = growth stopped, or is just not being reported. Heavy volume without price appreciation is always suspect, and = suggestive of distribution where the institutionals are dumping, and the = retail smucks (us guys) are buying. I would watch the up/down ratio = closely for a direction of its trend. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM That's a good point Tom about needing to make .35 to meet the .80 = annual est. But lets say the earnings are flat at .24 for this coming = quarter. That gives total earnings of .69 which is a 50% increase over = .46. (I'm hoping I'm getting my math right here). Which still ain't bad. = And another point....DGO describes MGAM's business as involving selling = high stakes and electronic based bingo games to the Indian Gaming = industry. (Personally Bingo doesn't excite me as a growth industry but = neither did donuts or commercial education and I missed out on those. = I'm trying not to make that mistake again.) Indian casinos are spread = out all over the country and are far easier to get to then the = traditional casino meccas.=20 What do you think of 3X adv and virtually no price movement. Is that = churning, distribution, or what? 07:56 PM 10/17/01 -0400, you wrote: Hi Doug, =20 Looks like they must do 35 cents in Q4 (ended Sept) to meet full = year expectations. Looks possible, but doubtful they can much exceed = that. And with the drop in travel and other things, including gambling, = since 9/11, they may even fall short. And I would think the 80 cents for = the full year is already completely priced into the stock price. =20 Both a double bottom and a cup can have handles. And I personally = much prefer a horizontal handle with a very tight range to one that is = drooping or is volatile. =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:22 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] MGAM MGAM looks like it could be setting up for a breakout sometime = in the next=20 week or two. It might not be showing up on all CANSLIM screens = because EPS=20 is 79, ADV is 171K, Group RS is 49 and DGO isn't showing a 5 = year growth=20 rate. So now that those negatives are out of the way...it's got = a RS of 99,=20 all the other DGO 'proprietary' criteria look good. Annual = earnings est for=20 this year and next are very strong...over 70%. Last two quarters = earnings=20 are both over 70% and there is sequential momentum building in = both rev and=20 earnings over the last three quarters. The price action today = was=20 especially interesting. It's current price, at 20.80, is about = 11% below=20 the intra high of 23.10 from way back in July. Today it lost = only .15 on 3X=20 volume. What does that mean? U/D is 1.7. There has been some = accumulation=20 going on recently. PE is 32 which is 1.5xSP. Cash flow is 1.92 = and ROE=20 24%. Funds is 13% and Mgmt 39%. I'm not sure if I would call the = base a cup=20 or a double bottom. I think cup. What I really will find = interesting over=20 the next couple weeks is if it can continue to maintain a tight = range=20 around the 21 level. Believe it not, I've seen that type of = action=20 described as a strong handle as opposed to one that drops 15% or = so before=20 turning back up and breaking out. I bought in at 18.09 couple = weeks ago. I=20 might buy some more if it keeps this up. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C15767.B05CBC00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Doug,
 
This stock popped up on my screen today using = TC2000.  I=20 agree, today's volume doesn't agree with the last few days of drying up, = but=20 I'll be watching it.
Did you ride through the September dip?
 
Perry
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, = 2001 6:21=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = MGAM

Hi Doug,
 
We are in very volatile times, where whisper = numbers get=20 investors hyped, then sell on news when even the whisper # isn't blown = away.=20 Forget what the analysts are "officially" saying, even what they say = to their=20 most important clients isn't considered acceptable unless the final = results=20 exceed that. So if they only end up with 24 cents, the reaction is = more likely=20 to be "gee, we were expecting 40 cents so they would beat the = forecast" rather=20 than "hey, look at this, up 50% over last year".
 
"Investors" are looking for an excuse to lock in = short term=20 trading profits, rather than recognizing that the winners are the ones = they=20 should keep, and the losers, where they have losses, are they ones to=20 sell.
 
I do agree, tribal casinos are popping up all = over, even if=20 they are not on traditional tribal lands, much less a traditional = tribal=20 occupation. So they are easier to travel to, but if the population = just wants=20 to stay home where they feel safe, or just got laid off so money is = tight,=20 then even the convenience of driving to an Indian casino may not = appeal. A few=20 months ago, new Indian casino facilities were appearing so fast that = many were=20 operating, surprise, out of tents or other temporary structures = because they=20 couldn't be built that fast. I haven't seen much news lately about = this=20 growth, don't know if the growth stopped, or is just not being=20 reported.
 
Heavy volume without price appreciation is always = suspect,=20 and suggestive of distribution where the institutionals are dumping, = and the=20 retail smucks (us guys) are buying. I would watch the up/down ratio = closely=20 for a direction of its trend.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, = 2001 8:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = MGAM

That's a good point Tom about needing to make .35 to = meet the=20 .80 annual est. But lets say the earnings are flat at .24 for this = coming=20 quarter. That gives total earnings of .69 which is a 50% increase = over .46.=20 (I'm hoping I'm getting my math right here). Which still ain't bad. = And=20 another point....DGO describes MGAM's business as involving selling = high=20 stakes and electronic based bingo games to the Indian Gaming = industry.=20 (Personally Bingo doesn't excite me as a growth industry but neither = did=20 donuts or commercial education and I missed out on those. I'm trying = not to=20 make that mistake again.) Indian casinos are spread out all over the = country=20 and are far easier to get to then the traditional casino meccas.=20

What do you think of 3X adv and virtually no price movement. = Is that=20 churning, distribution, or what?



07:56 PM 10/17/01 = -0400, you=20 wrote:
Hi Doug,
 
Looks like they must do 35 cents in Q4 (ended Sept) to = meet full=20 year expectations. Looks possible, but doubtful they can much = exceed that.=20 And with the drop in travel and other things, including gambling, = since=20 9/11, they may even fall short. And I would think the 80 cents for = the=20 full year is already completely priced into the stock=20 price.
 
Both a double bottom and = a cup can=20 have handles. And I personally much prefer a horizontal handle = with a very=20 tight range to one that is drooping or is=20 volatile.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----=20
From: DougC =
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:22 = PM
Subject:=20 [CANSLIM] MGAM

MGAM looks like it could be setting up for = a=20 breakout sometime in the next
week or two. It might not be = showing=20 up on all CANSLIM screens because EPS
is 79, ADV is 171K, = Group RS=20 is 49 and DGO isn't showing a 5 year growth
rate. So now = that those=20 negatives are out of the way...it's got a RS of 99,
all the = other=20 DGO 'proprietary' criteria look good. Annual earnings est for =
this=20 year and next are very strong...over 70%. Last two quarters = earnings=20
are both over 70% and there is sequential momentum building = in both=20 rev and
earnings over the last three quarters. The price = action=20 today was
especially interesting. It's current price, at = 20.80, is=20 about 11% below
the intra high of 23.10 from way back in = July. Today=20 it lost only .15 on 3X
volume. What does that mean? U/D is = 1.7.=20 There has been some accumulation
going on recently.  PE = is 32=20 which is 1.5xSP. Cash flow is 1.92 and ROE
24%. Funds is 13% = and=20 Mgmt 39%. I'm not sure if I would call the base a cup
or a = double=20 bottom. I think cup. What I really will find interesting over =
the=20 next couple weeks is if it can continue to maintain a tight = range=20
around the 21 level. Believe it not, I've seen that type of = action=20
described as a strong handle as opposed to one that drops = 15% or so=20 before
turning back up and breaking out. I bought in at = 18.09 couple=20 weeks ago. I
might buy some more if it keeps this=20 up.

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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C15767.B05CBC00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] MARKET Date: 18 Oct 2001 09:32:57 +0200 Wednesday's Stocks: The losses on heavier volume than the prior day showed big investors unequivocally dumping stocks for the first time in 3 1/2 weeks That means to IDBs interpretation, yesterday was the first day of distribution ... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] EPD Date: 18 Oct 2001 05:23:53 -0700 Does anyone see EPD as in a base for a few weeks. It has run up. Is this considered consolidating the gains? Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPD Date: 18 Oct 2001 06:10:40 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C1579B.9CC52E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Charlie, Whether you call this week and last as "consolidating the gains" or a = short, two week flat base, is a matter of semantics. The volume has been = light, so I would be inclined to call it more a base than profit taking = and consolidating. Overall, the chart appears to be a volatile LLUR (Lower Left Upper = Right), or in a trading range, with the lower side of the range marked = by the 50 DMA (with the notable exception of the week we resumed = trading), and the upper side defined by a line across the highs.=20 CANSLIM wise, however, I note that forecasts are for a decline in = earnings this year of 14%, and in Q1 earnings dropped 28%. If it only = meets the year forecast, the Sept and Dec quarters will have to show = sharp declines as well. Not a good candidate from this. It's PE is = trading at a discount to the S&P, also suggesting low expectations for = the future. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] EPD=20 Does anyone see EPD as in a base for a few weeks. It has run up. Is = this considered consolidating the gains? Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C1579B.9CC52E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Charlie,
 
Whether you call this week and last as = "consolidating the=20 gains" or a short, two week flat base, is a matter of semantics. The = volume has=20 been light, so I would be inclined to call it more a base than profit = taking and=20 consolidating.
 
Overall, the chart appears to be a volatile LLUR = (Lower Left=20 Upper Right), or in a trading range, with the lower side of the range = marked by=20 the 50 DMA (with the notable exception of the week we resumed trading), = and the=20 upper side defined by a line across the highs.
 
CANSLIM wise, however, I note that forecasts are for = a decline=20 in earnings this year of 14%, and in Q1 earnings dropped 28%. If it only = meets=20 the year forecast, the Sept and Dec quarters will have to show sharp = declines as=20 well. Not a good candidate from this. It's PE is trading at a discount = to the=20 S&P, also suggesting low expectations for the future.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Thursday, October 18, = 2001 8:23=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] EPD


Does anyone see EPD as in a base for a few weeks. = It has=20 run up. Is this
considered consolidating the=20 gains?

Charlie


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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C1579B.9CC52E00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM Date: 18 Oct 2001 07:42:00 -0600 --=====================_419893153==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I originally bought in Sept. Sold after the downturn. I was very surprised to see MGAM gaining strength again and got back in once it was above the 50dma and was back up to 18.00. At 11:58 PM 10/17/01 -0700, you wrote: >Doug, > >This stock popped up on my screen today using TC2000. I agree, today's >volume doesn't agree with the last few days of drying up, but I'll be >watching it. >Did you ride through the September dip? > >Perry >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Tom Worley >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:21 PM >>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM >> >>Hi Doug, >> >>We are in very volatile times, where whisper numbers get investors hyped, >>then sell on news when even the whisper # isn't blown away. Forget what >>the analysts are "officially" saying, even what they say to their most >>important clients isn't considered acceptable unless the final results >>exceed that. So if they only end up with 24 cents, the reaction is more >>likely to be "gee, we were expecting 40 cents so they would beat the >>forecast" rather than "hey, look at this, up 50% over last year". >> >>"Investors" are looking for an excuse to lock in short term trading >>profits, rather than recognizing that the winners are the ones they >>should keep, and the losers, where they have losses, are they ones to sell. >> >>I do agree, tribal casinos are popping up all over, even if they are not >>on traditional tribal lands, much less a traditional tribal occupation. >>So they are easier to travel to, but if the population just wants to stay >>home where they feel safe, or just got laid off so money is tight, then >>even the convenience of driving to an Indian casino may not appeal. A few >>months ago, new Indian casino facilities were appearing so fast that many >>were operating, surprise, out of tents or other temporary structures >>because they couldn't be built that fast. I haven't seen much news lately >>about this growth, don't know if the growth stopped, or is just not being >>reported. >> >>Heavy volume without price appreciation is always suspect, and suggestive >>of distribution where the institutionals are dumping, and the retail >>smucks (us guys) are buying. I would watch the up/down ratio closely for >>a direction of its trend. >> >>Tom Worley >>stkguru@netside.net >>AIM: TexWorley >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: DougC >>>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:31 PM >>>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM >>> >>>That's a good point Tom about needing to make .35 to meet the .80 annual >>>est. But lets say the earnings are flat at .24 for this coming quarter. >>>That gives total earnings of .69 which is a 50% increase over .46. (I'm >>>hoping I'm getting my math right here). Which still ain't bad. And >>>another point....DGO describes MGAM's business as involving selling high >>>stakes and electronic based bingo games to the Indian Gaming industry. >>>(Personally Bingo doesn't excite me as a growth industry but neither did >>>donuts or commercial education and I missed out on those. I'm trying not >>>to make that mistake again.) Indian casinos are spread out all over the >>>country and are far easier to get to then the traditional casino meccas. >>> >>>What do you think of 3X adv and virtually no price movement. Is that >>>churning, distribution, or what? >>> >>> >>> >>>07:56 PM 10/17/01 -0400, you wrote: >>>>Hi Doug, >>>> >>>>Looks like they must do 35 cents in Q4 (ended Sept) to meet full year >>>>expectations. Looks possible, but doubtful they can much exceed that. >>>>And with the drop in travel and other things, including gambling, since >>>>9/11, they may even fall short. And I would think the 80 cents for the >>>>full year is already completely priced into the stock price. >>>> >>>>Both a double bottom and a cup can have handles. And I personally much >>>>prefer a horizontal handle with a very tight range to one that is >>>>drooping or is volatile. >>>> >>>>Tom Worley >>>>stkguru@netside.net >>>>AIM: TexWorley >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: DougC >>>>>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:22 PM >>>>>Subject: [CANSLIM] MGAM >>>>> >>>>>MGAM looks like it could be setting up for a breakout sometime in the >>>>>next >>>>>week or two. It might not be showing up on all CANSLIM screens because >>>>>EPS >>>>>is 79, ADV is 171K, Group RS is 49 and DGO isn't showing a 5 year growth >>>>>rate. So now that those negatives are out of the way...it's got a RS >>>>>of 99, >>>>>all the other DGO 'proprietary' criteria look good. Annual earnings >>>>>est for >>>>>this year and next are very strong...over 70%. Last two quarters earnings >>>>>are both over 70% and there is sequential momentum building in both >>>>>rev and >>>>>earnings over the last three quarters. The price action today was >>>>>especially interesting. It's current price, at 20.80, is about 11% below >>>>>the intra high of 23.10 from way back in July. Today it lost only .15 >>>>>on 3X >>>>>volume. What does that mean? U/D is 1.7. There has been some accumulation >>>>>going on recently. PE is 32 which is 1.5xSP. Cash flow is 1.92 and ROE >>>>>24%. Funds is 13% and Mgmt 39%. I'm not sure if I would call the base >>>>>a cup >>>>>or a double bottom. I think cup. What I really will find interesting over >>>>>the next couple weeks is if it can continue to maintain a tight range >>>>>around the 21 level. Believe it not, I've seen that type of action >>>>>described as a strong handle as opposed to one that drops 15% or so >>>>>before >>>>>turning back up and breaking out. I bought in at 18.09 couple weeks >>>>>ago. I >>>>>might buy some more if it keeps this up. >>>>> >>>>>- >>>>>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >>>>>"majordomo@xmission.com" >>>>>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>>>>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. --=====================_419893153==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I originally bought in Sept. Sold after the downturn.  I was very surprised to see MGAM gaining strength again and got back in once it was above the 50dma and was back up to 18.00. 

At 11:58 PM 10/17/01 -0700, you wrote:
Doug,
 
This stock popped up on my screen today using TC2000.  I agree, today's volume doesn't agree with the last few days of drying up, but I'll be watching it.
Did you ride through the September dip?
 
Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM

Hi Doug,
 
We are in very volatile times, where whisper numbers get investors hyped, then sell on news when even the whisper # isn't blown away. Forget what the analysts are "officially" saying, even what they say to their most important clients isn't considered acceptable unless the final results exceed that. So if they only end up with 24 cents, the reaction is more likely to be "gee, we were expecting 40 cents so they would beat the forecast" rather than "hey, look at this, up 50% over last year".
 
"Investors" are looking for an excuse to lock in short term trading profits, rather than recognizing that the winners are the ones they should keep, and the losers, where they have losses, are they ones to sell.
 
I do agree, tribal casinos are popping up all over, even if they are not on traditional tribal lands, much less a traditional tribal occupation. So they are easier to travel to, but if the population just wants to stay home where they feel safe, or just got laid off so money is tight, then even the convenience of driving to an Indian casino may not appeal. A few months ago, new Indian casino facilities were appearing so fast that many were operating, surprise, out of tents or other temporary structures because they couldn't be built that fast. I haven't seen much news lately about this growth, don't know if the growth stopped, or is just not being reported.
 
Heavy volume without price appreciation is always suspect, and suggestive of distribution where the institutionals are dumping, and the retail smucks (us guys) are buying. I would watch the up/down ratio closely for a direction of its trend.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From: DougC
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM

That's a good point Tom about needing to make .35 to meet the .80 annual est. But lets say the earnings are flat at .24 for this coming quarter. That gives total earnings of .69 which is a 50% increase over .46. (I'm hoping I'm getting my math right here). Which still ain't bad. And another point....DGO describes MGAM's business as involving selling high stakes and electronic based bingo games to the Indian Gaming industry. (Personally Bingo doesn't excite me as a growth industry but neither did donuts or commercial education and I missed out on those. I'm trying not to make that mistake again.) Indian casinos are spread out all over the country and are far easier to get to then the traditional casino meccas.

What do you think of 3X adv and virtually no price movement. Is that churning, distribution, or what?



07:56 PM 10/17/01 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Doug,
 
Looks like they must do 35 cents in Q4 (ended Sept) to meet full year expectations. Looks possible, but doubtful they can much exceed that. And with the drop in travel and other things, including gambling, since 9/11, they may even fall short. And I would think the 80 cents for the full year is already completely priced into the stock price.
 
Both a double bottom and a cup can have handles. And I personally much prefer a horizontal handle with a very tight range to one that is drooping or is volatile.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From: DougC
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:22 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] MGAM

MGAM looks like it could be setting up for a breakout sometime in the next
week or two. It might not be showing up on all CANSLIM screens because EPS
is 79, ADV is 171K, Group RS is 49 and DGO isn't showing a 5 year growth
rate. So now that those negatives are out of the way...it's got a RS of 99,
all the other DGO 'proprietary' criteria look good. Annual earnings est for
this year and next are very strong...over 70%. Last two quarters earnings
are both over 70% and there is sequential momentum building in both rev and
earnings over the last three quarters. The price action today was
especially interesting. It's current price, at 20.80, is about 11% below
the intra high of 23.10 from way back in July. Today it lost only .15 on 3X
volume. What does that mean? U/D is 1.7. There has been some accumulation
going on recently.  PE is 32 which is 1.5xSP. Cash flow is 1.92 and ROE
24%. Funds is 13% and Mgmt 39%. I'm not sure if I would call the base a cup
or a double bottom. I think cup. What I really will find interesting over
the next couple weeks is if it can continue to maintain a tight range
around the 21 level. Believe it not, I've seen that type of action
described as a strong handle as opposed to one that drops 15% or so before
turning back up and breaking out. I bought in at 18.09 couple weeks ago. I
might buy some more if it keeps this up.

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Hi all:
 
Just by looking at my accounts (virtual and = otherwise), I=20 would guess that the NAZ is down 200 today and the DOW 400. They had = been doing=20 fabulously for the past 3 1/2 weeks - until today. It looks like a lot = of the=20 retail/small/momo people took yesterday as a serious warning. Is it = really time=20 to be cautious again? I was hoping we could get a 4-6 month=20 reprieve.
 
This, IMHO, is the biggest problem with CANSLIM - = there is a=20 disconnect between needing a healthy 'M', and staying away from = yesterdays=20 leaders and seeking new ones: the indexes are backward looking and hold=20 yesterdays leaders. Why should 'M' move up strongly if nobody should be = buying=20 these former leaders? Perhaps the best world for us is where the indexes = stay=20 flat (after a brief initial follow-through to signal the new bull), and = small=20 company breakouts are allowed to run their course???
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 18, = 2001 3:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPD =

Hi Charlie,
 
Whether you call this week and last as = "consolidating the=20 gains" or a short, two week flat base, is a matter of semantics. The = volume=20 has been light, so I would be inclined to call it more a base than = profit=20 taking and consolidating.
 
Overall, the chart appears to be a volatile LLUR = (Lower Left=20 Upper Right), or in a trading range, with the lower side of the range = marked=20 by the 50 DMA (with the notable exception of the week we resumed = trading), and=20 the upper side defined by a line across the highs.
 
CANSLIM wise, however, I note that forecasts are = for a=20 decline in earnings this year of 14%, and in Q1 earnings dropped 28%. = If it=20 only meets the year forecast, the Sept and Dec quarters will have to = show=20 sharp declines as well. Not a good candidate from this. It's PE is = trading at=20 a discount to the S&P, also suggesting low expectations for the=20 future.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Thursday, October 18, = 2001 8:23=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] EPD


Does anyone see EPD as in a base for a few weeks. = It has=20 run up. Is this
considered consolidating the=20 gains?

Charlie


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------=_NextPart_000_00A6_01C157AD.C79D7B70-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM Date: 18 Oct 2001 11:06:35 EDT In a message dated 10/18/2001 2:23:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mpstan@home.com writes: << ...Heavy volume without price appreciation is always suspect, and suggestive of distribution where the institutionals are dumping, and the retail smucks (us guys) are buying. I would watch the up/down ratio closely for a direction of its trend. >> Tom: I would suggest that heavy volume with little down price movement in a downtrend is different then heavy volume on little down price movement in an uptrend. In a downtrend it suggests big money (eg. money markets, insurers) is supporting the stock. In a uptrend it suggests churning, resistance, and probably distribution. Do you see a distinction in the two trending movements in how the stock should be analyzed? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Market musing ... Date: 18 Oct 2001 08:23:30 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C157AE.2B462D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well you are wrong, the indices are not down but relatively flat, trading is quiet, my account is up for a change, and CANSLIM stocks like HRH are re-confirming breakouts or holding steady. There are even some nice recoveries from the past few days happening i.e MDCI. The only trouble spot I see is the prescription benefits managers like ADVP and ESRX which for some reason I cannot fathom are tanking instead of rising on the anthrax news. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ian Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:21 AM Hi all: Just by looking at my accounts (virtual and otherwise), I would guess that the NAZ is down 200 today and the DOW 400. They had been doing fabulously for the past 3 1/2 weeks - until today. It looks like a lot of the retail/small/momo people took yesterday as a serious warning. Is it really time to be cautious again? I was hoping we could get a 4-6 month reprieve. This, IMHO, is the biggest problem with CANSLIM - there is a disconnect between needing a healthy 'M', and staying away from yesterdays leaders and seeking new ones: the indexes are backward looking and hold yesterdays leaders. Why should 'M' move up strongly if nobody should be buying these former leaders? Perhaps the best world for us is where the indexes stay flat (after a brief initial follow-through to signal the new bull), and small company breakouts are allowed to run their course??? Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:10 AM Hi Charlie, Whether you call this week and last as "consolidating the gains" or a short, two week flat base, is a matter of semantics. The volume has been light, so I would be inclined to call it more a base than profit taking and consolidating. Overall, the chart appears to be a volatile LLUR (Lower Left Upper Right), or in a trading range, with the lower side of the range marked by the 50 DMA (with the notable exception of the week we resumed trading), and the upper side defined by a line across the highs. CANSLIM wise, however, I note that forecasts are for a decline in earnings this year of 14%, and in Q1 earnings dropped 28%. If it only meets the year forecast, the Sept and Dec quarters will have to show sharp declines as well. Not a good candidate from this. It's PE is trading at a discount to the S&P, also suggesting low expectations for the future. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:23 AM Does anyone see EPD as in a base for a few weeks. It has run up. Is this considered consolidating the gains? Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C157AE.2B462D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Well=20 you are wrong, the indices are not down but relatively flat, trading is = quiet,=20 my account is up for a change, and CANSLIM stocks like HRH are = re-confirming=20 breakouts or holding steady. There are even some nice recoveries from = the past=20 few days happening i.e MDCI. The only trouble spot I see is the = prescription=20 benefits managers like ADVP and ESRX which for some reason I cannot = fathom are=20 tanking instead of rising on the anthrax news.
Tim Fisher
OreRockOn - Oregon = Rockhounds=20 Online
Tim@OreRockOn.com
http://OreRockOn.com

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On=20 Behalf Of Ian
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:21=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Market=20 musing ...

Hi all:
 
Just by looking at my accounts (virtual and = otherwise), I=20 would guess that the NAZ is down 200 today and the DOW 400. They had = been doing=20 fabulously for the past 3 1/2 weeks - until today. It looks like a lot = of the=20 retail/small/momo people took yesterday as a serious warning. Is it = really time=20 to be cautious again? I was hoping we could get a 4-6 month=20 reprieve.
 
This, IMHO, is the biggest problem with CANSLIM - = there is a=20 disconnect between needing a healthy 'M', and staying away from = yesterdays=20 leaders and seeking new ones: the indexes are backward looking and hold=20 yesterdays leaders. Why should 'M' move up strongly if nobody should be = buying=20 these former leaders? Perhaps the best world for us is where the indexes = stay=20 flat (after a brief initial follow-through to signal the new bull), and = small=20 company breakouts are allowed to run their course???
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Thursday, October 18, = 2001 3:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPD =

Hi Charlie,
 
Whether you call this week and last as = "consolidating the=20 gains" or a short, two week flat base, is a matter of semantics. The = volume=20 has been light, so I would be inclined to call it more a base than = profit=20 taking and consolidating.
 
Overall, the chart appears to be a volatile LLUR = (Lower Left=20 Upper Right), or in a trading range, with the lower side of the range = marked=20 by the 50 DMA (with the notable exception of the week we resumed = trading), and=20 the upper side defined by a line across the highs.
 
CANSLIM wise, however, I note that forecasts are = for a=20 decline in earnings this year of 14%, and in Q1 earnings dropped 28%. = If it=20 only meets the year forecast, the Sept and Dec quarters will have to = show=20 sharp declines as well. Not a good candidate from this. It's PE is = trading at=20 a discount to the S&P, also suggesting low expectations for the=20 future.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: Canslim
Sent: Thursday, October 18, = 2001 8:23=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] EPD


Does anyone see EPD as in a base for a few weeks. = It has=20 run up. Is this
considered consolidating the=20 gains?

Charlie


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Moreover, IBD adds that "...it takes more than one day of distribution to topple a confirmed rally) is that there was an obvious heavier volume down day 10 days ago in the NASDAQ. The only thing I can figure is that it wasn't included as a distribution day because, perhaps, NASDAQ fell less than 2%. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market musing ... Date: 18 Oct 2001 11:48:33 EDT In a message dated 10/18/2001 11:23:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tim@orerockon.com writes: << ...The only trouble spot I see is the prescription benefits managers like ADVP and ESRX which for some reason I cannot fathom are tanking instead of rising on the anthrax news. >> Tim: The way I see it, ADVP and ESRX's customers paid up front to receive health presciption benefits. If this is correct then the Anthrax-scare would jepordize their profit margin. Perhaps, sales of the benefit plan would indeed rise (as more people would be afraid of having to pay for an anti-biotic), but the companie's expenses would rise also (as more of its customers would ask, demand or need Cipro or some other anti-biotic.) jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Boyd" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market musing ... Date: 18 Oct 2001 15:54:44 GMT I remember reading somewhere that advp lost a large client. Norm Spencer48@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 10/18/2001 11:23:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > tim@orerockon.com writes: > > << ...The only > trouble spot I see is the prescription benefits managers like ADVP and > ESRX which for some reason I cannot fathom are tanking instead of rising > on the anthrax news. >> > > Tim: > > The way I see it, ADVP and ESRX's customers paid up front to receive > health presciption benefits. > > If this is correct then the Anthrax-scare would jepordize their profit > margin. Perhaps, sales of the benefit plan would indeed rise (as more people > would be afraid of having to pay for an anti-biotic), but the companie's > expenses would rise also (as more of its customers would ask, demand or need > Cipro or some other anti-biotic.) > > jans > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP Date: 18 Oct 2001 10:34:53 -0600 ADVP is not a stock I've been following myself but I know a few of you have and was curious also if there was any news concerning possible reasons for the breakout failure and falloff of the stock price. This is from yesterday. AdvancePCS Confirms Outlook IRVING, Texas, Oct 17, 2001 (BW HealthWire) -- AdvancePCS (Nasdaq:ADVP), the nation's leading health improvement company, Wednesday announced that is comfortable with Wall Street analyst consensus earnings estimates of $0.59 per diluted share for the quarter ended Sept. 30, 2001, as well as estimates of $2.43 for the company's fiscal year ended March 31, 2002. The company also stated that it is not aware of any information that would cause the recent decline in its stock price. "We see no fundamental change in our industry's dynamics and continue to be optimistic about our future opportunities and financial results. Since our acquisition of PCS, we have renewed our key customer contracts that were out for bid and won new business ahead of our initial expectations," said David D. Halbert, AdvancePCS chairman and chief executive officer. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Market musing ... Date: 18 Oct 2001 10:04:51 -0700 Knew that, they said it wouldn't effect their bottom line, but the selloff was vicious nonetheless. And ESRX basically said the same thing today, but did sayt heir growth on was going to be at the low end of the projection. Guess the news came out on YHOO well after the traders all knew. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Boyd Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:55 AM I remember reading somewhere that advp lost a large client. Norm Spencer48@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 10/18/2001 11:23:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > tim@orerockon.com writes: > > << ...The only > trouble spot I see is the prescription benefits managers like ADVP > and ESRX which for some reason I cannot fathom are tanking instead of > rising on the anthrax news. >> > > Tim: > > The way I see it, ADVP and ESRX's customers paid up front to > receive > health presciption benefits. > > If this is correct then the Anthrax-scare would jepordize their > profit > margin. Perhaps, sales of the benefit plan would indeed rise (as more people > would be afraid of having to pay for an anti-biotic), but the companie's > expenses would rise also (as more of its customers would ask, demand or need > Cipro or some other anti-biotic.) > > jans > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe > canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "walter nusbaum" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MARKET Date: 18 Oct 2001 12:21:42 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:34 AM > In a message dated 10/18/2001 3:30:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > judgejimmy@web.de writes: > > << Wednesday's Stocks: > > The losses on heavier volume than the prior day showed big investors > unequivocally dumping stocks for the first time in 3 1/2 weeks > > That means to IDBs interpretation, yesterday was the first day of > distribution ... >> > > Andreas: > > As far as I can judge (I'm looking at the Big Picture in IBD), a week > ago last Tuesday was also a distribution day. What puzzles me (even though > IBD does say what you say it says. Moreover, IBD adds that "...it takes more > than one day of distribution to topple a confirmed rally) is that there was > an obvious heavier volume down day 10 days ago in the NASDAQ. The only thing > I can figure is that it wasn't included as a distribution day because, > perhaps, NASDAQ fell less than 2%. > > jans > Andreas & Jans, IBD seems to be muddying the waters(again). Their characterization of yesterday's down day as "unequivocally" indicative of the action of big investors does not dismiss the previous down day(on all three indices) as a non-event, since it meets the basic criteria of a distribution day. For me, this is the second DD, and counting. Best wishes, Walt - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Clayton" Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 18 Oct 2001 13:52:43 -0400 Wondering if anyone has thoughts on EPIQ's distribution today: off $3.50+ currently on heavy volume. Thanks - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 18 Oct 2001 14:18:02 EDT --part1_111.6fd5075.290076da_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got stopped out today......I think that something much be going on with this and it is on it'w way down --part1_111.6fd5075.290076da_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got stopped out today......I think that something much be going on with this and it is on it'w way down --part1_111.6fd5075.290076da_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Clayton" Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 18 Oct 2001 15:00:52 -0400 Wonder if Tom Worley has any clues on why the big drop today?-- volume surge right off the bat this am, then again this afternoon. I have not run across any news today which I can attribute the drop to, other than the general observation that EPIQ has gone nearly vertical since it's September lows; maybe it needs to catch it's breath for a few days. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 18 Oct 2001 15:32:20 EDT --part1_53.cfc95ec.29008844_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I took a 35% gain..I started trailing up from my entry........On another stock I had a 100% and did not trail up so now I put a 7% stop in or I trail up to save my gains... --part1_53.cfc95ec.29008844_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I took a 35% gain..I started trailing up from my entry........On another stock I had a 100% and did not trail up so now I put a 7% stop in or I trail up to save my gains... --part1_53.cfc95ec.29008844_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kruger Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Market musing ... Date: 18 Oct 2001 12:39:04 -0700 (PDT) The claim of the talking heads is that the weakness of ADVP is due to fear of a price war (flowing from the Wellpoint buyout). It is interesting to me that thomsonfn.com shows institutional buying rather than selling. John --- Tim Fisher wrote: > Knew that, they said it wouldn't effect their bottom line, but the > selloff was vicious nonetheless. And ESRX basically said the same > thing > today, but did sayt heir growth on was going to be at the low end of > the > projection. Guess the news came out on YHOO well after the traders > all > knew. > > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Boyd > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:55 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market musing ... > > > I remember reading somewhere that advp lost a large client. > > Norm > > > > Spencer48@aol.com writes: > > > In a message dated 10/18/2001 11:23:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > tim@orerockon.com writes: > > > > << ...The only > > trouble spot I see is the prescription benefits managers like ADVP > > > and ESRX which for some reason I cannot fathom are tanking instead > of > > > rising on the anthrax news. >> > > > > Tim: > > > > The way I see it, ADVP and ESRX's customers paid up front to > > receive > > health presciption benefits. > > > > If this is correct then the Anthrax-scare would jepordize > their > > profit > > margin. Perhaps, sales of the benefit plan would indeed rise (as > more > people > > would be afraid of having to pay for an anti-biotic), but the > companie's > > expenses would rise also (as more of its customers would ask, > demand > or need > > Cipro or some other anti-biotic.) > > > > jans > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe > > canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 18 Oct 2001 20:09:36 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C15810.CF8363A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No clue, but some guesses. Yesterday's drop and volume undoubtedly = convinced the short term players that a 30-50% gain in a matter of weeks = in this market was worth taking off the table. Volume yesterday almost = exactly the same as today's. Tomorrow is Friday, why hold over the = weekend. Earnings due next Wednesday, why take the chance. EarningsWhisper.com shows consensus earnings at 17 cents, whisper at 16 = cents. One of those is likely correct. With bankruptcy filings again = hitting record numbers, my gut wants the consensus #, but whisper (which = is usually a penny lower) has been right too many times for me to bet = against them. Either way, a good growth over 12 cents. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Clayton=20 To: Canslim=20 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ=20 Wonder if Tom Worley has any clues on why the big drop today?-- = volume surge right off the bat this am, then again this afternoon. I have not = run across any news today which I can attribute the drop to, other than = the general observation that EPIQ has gone nearly vertical since it's = September lows; maybe it needs to catch it's breath for a few days. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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No clue, but some guesses.  Yesterday's drop = and volume=20 undoubtedly convinced the short term players that a 30-50% gain in = a matter=20 of weeks in this market was worth taking off the table. Volume yesterday = almost=20 exactly the same as today's. Tomorrow is Friday, why hold over the = weekend.=20 Earnings due next Wednesday, why take the chance.
 
EarningsWhisper.com shows consensus earnings at 17 = cents,=20 whisper at 16 cents. One of those is likely correct. With bankruptcy = filings=20 again hitting record numbers, my gut wants the consensus #, but whisper = (which=20 is usually a penny lower) has been right too many times for me to bet = against=20 them. Either way, a good growth over 12 cents.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark=20 Clayton
To: Canslim
Sent: Thursday, October 18, = 2001 3:00=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ

Wonder if Tom Worley has any clues on why the big drop=20 today?--  volume
surge right off the bat this am, then again = this=20 afternoon. I have not run
across any news today which I can = attribute the=20 drop to, other than the
general observation that EPIQ has gone = nearly=20 vertical since it's September
lows; maybe it needs to catch it's = breath for=20 a few days.


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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C15810.CF8363A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM Date: 18 Oct 2001 20:14:52 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C15811.8BBA1140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I completely agree with you, that is why I considered it as = distributional, since I consider the stock to be in a strong uptrend = until now. After we resumed trading, it continued its pre-attack = downtrend, then reversed strongly, with 12 straight days up in just over = 3 weeks. That's an uptrend in my book. More than likely all this is, is = some profit taking, in which case the positive will be if it can hold = this level until that is completed (signaled by a drying up of volume). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Spencer48@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MGAM In a message dated 10/18/2001 2:23:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 mpstan@home.com writes: << ...Heavy volume without price appreciation is always suspect, and=20 suggestive of distribution where the institutionals are dumping, and = the=20 retail smucks (us guys) are buying. I would watch the up/down ratio = closely=20 for a direction of its trend. >> Tom: I would suggest that heavy volume with little down price movement = in a=20 downtrend is different then heavy volume on little down price movement = in an=20 uptrend. In a downtrend it suggests big money (eg. money markets, = insurers)=20 is supporting the stock. In a uptrend it suggests churning, = resistance, and=20 probably distribution. Do you see a distinction in the two trending movements in how the = stock=20 should be analyzed? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C15811.8BBA1140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I completely agree with you, that is why I = considered it as=20 distributional, since I consider the stock to be in a strong uptrend = until now.=20 After we resumed trading, it continued its pre-attack downtrend, then = reversed=20 strongly, with 12 straight days up in just over 3 weeks. That's an = uptrend in my=20 book. More than likely all this is, is some profit taking, in which case = the=20 positive will be if it can hold this level until that is completed = (signaled by=20 a drying up of volume).
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Spencer48@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 18, = 2001 11:06=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = MGAM

In a message dated 10/18/2001 2:23:52 AM Eastern = Daylight Time,=20
mpstan@home.com=20 writes:

<< ...Heavy volume without price appreciation is = always=20 suspect, and
suggestive of distribution where the institutionals = are=20 dumping, and the
retail smucks (us guys) are buying. I would watch = the=20 up/down ratio closely
for a direction of its trend.=20 >>

Tom:

     I would suggest = that=20 heavy volume with little down price movement in a
downtrend is = different=20 then heavy volume on little down price movement in an =
uptrend.  In a=20 downtrend it suggests big money (eg. money markets, insurers)
is=20 supporting the stock.  In a uptrend it suggests churning, = resistance, and=20
probably distribution.

     Do you see = a=20 distinction in the two trending movements in how the stock
should = be=20 analyzed?

jans

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------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C15811.8BBA1140-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPD Date: 18 Oct 2001 18:43:57 -0600 No, it is in new high territory (as of yesterday!), so I don't see any significant base. At 05:23 AM 10/18/01 -0700, you wrote: > > Does anyone see EPD as in a base for a few weeks. It has run up. Is this >considered consolidating the gains? > >Charlie > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Clayton" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 19 Oct 2001 07:03:45 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1586C.31BBFB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom: As always, appreciate your thoughts and insight. I am a long term holder of EPIQ and it has not disappointed. Unfortunately/fortunately I've got to believe that bankruptcy filings will continue to be strong for quite a while. Regarding another of my long term holdings, AHMH, looks like another bounce off 50DMA- a consistent move over the past year. Mark Clayton -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:10 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ No clue, but some guesses. Yesterday's drop and volume undoubtedly convinced the short term players that a 30-50% gain in a matter of weeks in this market was worth taking off the table. Volume yesterday almost exactly the same as today's. Tomorrow is Friday, why hold over the weekend. Earnings due next Wednesday, why take the chance. EarningsWhisper.com shows consensus earnings at 17 cents, whisper at 16 cents. One of those is likely correct. With bankruptcy filings again hitting record numbers, my gut wants the consensus #, but whisper (which is usually a penny lower) has been right too many times for me to bet against them. Either way, a good growth over 12 cents. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Clayton To: Canslim Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Wonder if Tom Worley has any clues on why the big drop today?-- volume surge right off the bat this am, then again this afternoon. I have not run across any news today which I can attribute the drop to, other than the general observation that EPIQ has gone nearly vertical since it's September lows; maybe it needs to catch it's breath for a few days. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1586C.31BBFB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom:=20 As always, appreciate your thoughts and insight.
I am a=20 long term holder of EPIQ and it has not disappointed. = Unfortunately/fortunately=20 I've got to believe that bankruptcy filings will continue to be strong = for quite=20 a while.
Regarding another of my long term holdings, = AHMH, looks=20 like another bounce off 50DMA- a consistent move over the past=20 year.
 
Mark=20 Clayton
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:10 = PM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ=20

No clue, but some guesses.  Yesterday's drop = and volume=20 undoubtedly convinced the short term players that a 30-50% gain = in a=20 matter of weeks in this market was worth taking off the table. Volume=20 yesterday almost exactly the same as today's. Tomorrow is Friday, why = hold=20 over the weekend. Earnings due next Wednesday, why take the=20 chance.
 
EarningsWhisper.com shows consensus earnings at 17 = cents,=20 whisper at 16 cents. One of those is likely correct. With bankruptcy = filings=20 again hitting record numbers, my gut wants the consensus #, but = whisper (which=20 is usually a penny lower) has been right too many times for me to bet = against=20 them. Either way, a good growth over 12 cents.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark=20 Clayton
To: Canslim=20
Sent: Thursday, October 18, = 2001 3:00=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ =

Wonder if Tom Worley has any clues on why the big = drop=20 today?--  volume
surge right off the bat this am, then again = this=20 afternoon. I have not run
across any news today which I can = attribute the=20 drop to, other than the
general observation that EPIQ has gone = nearly=20 vertical since it's September
lows; maybe it needs to catch it's = breath=20 for a few days.


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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C1586C.31BBFB80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 19 Oct 2001 08:02:47 EDT --part1_13d.31edfe4.29017067_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not a shot termer but I didn't want to loss my gains just in case the stock dropped more....I took 35% but now I have got some cash to put into another stock.....any suggestions...I will buy this one agian if it drops more --part1_13d.31edfe4.29017067_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not a shot termer but I didn't want to loss my gains just in case the stock dropped more....I took 35% but now I have got some cash to put into another stock.....any suggestions...I will buy this one agian if it drops more --part1_13d.31edfe4.29017067_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 19 Oct 2001 05:10:05 -0700 I picked it up again on that bounce (AHMH). At 07:03 AM 10/19/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Tom: As always, appreciate your thoughts and insight. >I am a long term holder of EPIQ and it has not disappointed. >Unfortunately/fortunately I've got to believe that bankruptcy filings will >continue to be strong for quite a while. >Regarding another of my long term holdings, AHMH, looks like another >bounce off 50DMA- a consistent move over the past year. > >Mark Clayton >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:10 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ > >No clue, but some guesses. Yesterday's drop and volume undoubtedly >convinced the short term players that a 30-50% gain in a matter of weeks >in this market was worth taking off the table. Volume yesterday almost >exactly the same as today's. Tomorrow is Friday, why hold over the >weekend. Earnings due next Wednesday, why take the chance. > >EarningsWhisper.com shows consensus earnings at 17 cents, whisper at 16 >cents. One of those is likely correct. With bankruptcy filings again >hitting record numbers, my gut wants the consensus #, but whisper (which >is usually a penny lower) has been right too many times for me to bet >against them. Either way, a good growth over 12 cents. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Mark Clayton >>To: Canslim >>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:00 PM >>Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ >> >>Wonder if Tom Worley has any clues on why the big drop today?-- volume >>surge right off the bat this am, then again this afternoon. I have not run >>across any news today which I can attribute the drop to, other than the >>general observation that EPIQ has gone nearly vertical since it's September >>lows; maybe it needs to catch it's breath for a few days. >> >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >>"majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Clayton" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 19 Oct 2001 08:15:03 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C15876.27BD7F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks like you managed this one quite well-- a profit is a profit! It's tough to find too many opportunities lately to make 35-50% in 30 days. Congrats to you. -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of BIKEAR@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:03 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] EPIQ I'm not a shot termer but I didn't want to loss my gains just in case the stock dropped more....I took 35% but now I have got some cash to put into another stock.....any suggestions...I will buy this one agian if it drops more ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C15876.27BD7F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks=20 like you managed this one quite well-- a profit is a profit!  It's = tough to=20 find too many opportunities lately to make 35-50% in 30 days. Congrats = to=20 you.
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of=20 BIKEAR@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:03=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 EPIQ

I'm not a=20 shot termer but I didn't want to loss my gains just in case the stock = dropped=20 more....I took 35% but now I have got some cash to put into another=20 stock.....any suggestions...I will buy this one agian if it drops = more=20
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C15876.27BD7F00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH Date: 19 Oct 2001 05:41:40 -0700 USPH also bounced off the 50. I have a mkt order for the open. Definitely NOT a CANSLIM trade here. I'm looking for a short term gain. If EPIQ's earnings weren't flat and sales weren't down and the GRS weren't 67, I might consider it if it traded down to the 50 dma (sub-$24). Why are talking about this stock so much if it has such so-so numbers? Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Clayton" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH--EPIQ Date: 19 Oct 2001 09:08:25 -0400 "Why are talking about this stock so much if it has such so-so numbers?"- (EPIQ) For me it has to do with its 148% YTD performance and 98/97 A+ IBD rating(BAB). No guarantee of future performance, but CANSLIM worthy, nevertheless. Mark Clayton -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of tim@orerockon.com Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:42 AM USPH also bounced off the 50. I have a mkt order for the open. Definitely NOT a CANSLIM trade here. I'm looking for a short term gain. If EPIQ's earnings weren't flat and sales weren't down and the GRS weren't 67, I might consider it if it traded down to the 50 dma (sub-$24). Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH--EPIQ Date: 19 Oct 2001 06:15:07 -0700 Yeah, I guess that shows the state of M if IBD is giving a GRS of 67 a "B" rating. HGS gives it a "B+"! I think I will do my watch list differently next week to exclude these, I noticed a few crept on there this time. Thanks for pointing that out. At 09:08 AM 10/19/2001 -0400, you wrote: >"Why are >talking about this stock so much if it has such so-so numbers?"- (EPIQ) > >For me it has to do with its 148% YTD performance and 98/97 A+ IBD >rating(BAB). No guarantee of future performance, but CANSLIM worthy, >nevertheless. > >Mark Clayton > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of tim@orerockon.com >Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:42 AM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH > > >USPH also bounced off the 50. I have a mkt order for the open. Definitely >NOT a CANSLIM trade here. I'm looking for a short term gain. If EPIQ's >earnings weren't flat and sales weren't down and the GRS weren't 67, I >might consider it if it traded down to the 50 dma (sub-$24). > > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kruger Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH--EPIQ Date: 19 Oct 2001 09:37:52 -0700 (PDT) One needs to think a bit about how these "Strength" numbers are calculated. The name implies some measure of overall strength. In practice, the number is based on stock prices on only a few dates. For example, HGS lists their method of calculating GS as shown below. Note that it depends on the prices on only three dates. (I am sure that "other" services use a similar method.) A stock (or group) that has the same price last Friday as it had 12 weeks ago, may have a poor "Strength" rating even if (for example)the last 12 weeks formed a perfect cup and handle. So, one must look at the 12/13 week ago price before forming a conclusion. This will be particularly true when "12 weeks ago" becomes "September 11th". -- The Group Ranking is determined by generating indexes for each of the industry groups in the HGS Warehouse using an Equal Dollar Weighting and screening out securities that are less than $5.00. The index start date is 1 year back from the Friday of the current week. Once the group indexes have been generated, the industry group indexes are ranked using the same Ian Slow formula found in the HGS Group Ranking tool. (HGS Group Ranking is a tool used for generating customized historical group rankings. It is not available in HGS Warehouse) This computation requires a minimum of 25 weekly close values. The time period between the two close dates is divided into two segments and each is assigned a different weighting value. The Warehouse calculates each segment value individually as (((new price-old price) / (old price) * 100) * weight), then adds values from both segments together. The result is a time-weighted percentage price change of a stock. (Current weeks close-12 weeks ago close)/12 weeks ago close * 100 * 70% + (13 weeks ago close-25 weeks ago close) / 25 weeks ago close * 100 * 30% --- tim@orerockon.com wrote: > Yeah, I guess that shows the state of M if IBD is giving a GRS of 67 > a "B" > rating. HGS gives it a "B+"! I think I will do my watch list > differently > next week to exclude these, I noticed a few crept on there this time. > > Thanks for pointing that out. > > At 09:08 AM 10/19/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >"Why are > >talking about this stock so much if it has such so-so numbers?"- > (EPIQ) > > > >For me it has to do with its 148% YTD performance and 98/97 A+ IBD > >rating(BAB). No guarantee of future performance, but CANSLIM worthy, > >nevertheless. > > > >Mark Clayton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH--EPIQ Date: 19 Oct 2001 09:53:39 -0700 I do not agree with your assessment of GRS, as it is weighted for the entire market of stocks over $5.00, i.e. it is actually a percentile from 1-100 and not dependent on the absolute value of stock prices. Therefore if "M" 13 weeks ago is before Sept. 11 then most stocks and therefore groups will show a drastic decline the next time this GRS number is calculated. Therefore things will "even out". In other works, all this number shows is the group's strength relative to the entire market. As an example I expect that groups that held up especially well since 9.11 such as defense stocks will show a decline in GRS when the 13-week-ago price becomes post-9.11. This is want I expect to see, and do not have any problems with it. Horrible explanation, I know, but there it is anyway. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of John Kruger Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:38 AM One needs to think a bit about how these "Strength" numbers are calculated. The name implies some measure of overall strength. In practice, the number is based on stock prices on only a few dates. For example, HGS lists their method of calculating GS as shown below. Note that it depends on the prices on only three dates. (I am sure that "other" services use a similar method.) A stock (or group) that has the same price last Friday as it had 12 weeks ago, may have a poor "Strength" rating even if (for example)the last 12 weeks formed a perfect cup and handle. So, one must look at the 12/13 week ago price before forming a conclusion. This will be particularly true when "12 weeks ago" becomes "September 11th". -- The Group Ranking is determined by generating indexes for each of the industry groups in the HGS Warehouse using an Equal Dollar Weighting and screening out securities that are less than $5.00. The index start date is 1 year back from the Friday of the current week. Once the group indexes have been generated, the industry group indexes are ranked using the same Ian Slow formula found in the HGS Group Ranking tool. (HGS Group Ranking is a tool used for generating customized historical group rankings. It is not available in HGS Warehouse) This computation requires a minimum of 25 weekly close values. The time period between the two close dates is divided into two segments and each is assigned a different weighting value. The Warehouse calculates each segment value individually as (((new price-old price) / (old price) * 100) * weight), then adds values from both segments together. The result is a time-weighted percentage price change of a stock. (Current weeks close-12 weeks ago close)/12 weeks ago close * 100 * 70% + (13 weeks ago close-25 weeks ago close) / 25 weeks ago close * 100 * 30% --- tim@orerockon.com wrote: > Yeah, I guess that shows the state of M if IBD is giving a GRS of 67 a > "B" rating. HGS gives it a "B+"! I think I will do my watch list > differently > next week to exclude these, I noticed a few crept on there this time. > > Thanks for pointing that out. > > At 09:08 AM 10/19/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >"Why are > >talking about this stock so much if it has such so-so numbers?"- > (EPIQ) > > > >For me it has to do with its 148% YTD performance and 98/97 A+ IBD > >rating(BAB). No guarantee of future performance, but CANSLIM worthy, > >nevertheless. > > > >Mark Clayton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kruger Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Strenght (was USPH--EPIQ) Date: 19 Oct 2001 10:26:56 -0700 (PDT) I agree with you. I guess I was jumping back and forth between GS an RS without being clear. My only point was that "Strength" numbers are based upon "point" dates, rather than something more complicated, such as a regression, that would represent all of the data. John --- Tim Fisher wrote: > I do not agree with your assessment of GRS, as it is weighted for the > entire market of stocks over $5.00, i.e. it is actually a percentile > from 1-100 and not dependent on the absolute value of stock prices. > Therefore if "M" 13 weeks ago is before Sept. 11 then most stocks and > therefore groups will show a drastic decline the next time this GRS > number is calculated. Therefore things will "even out". In other > works, > all this number shows is the group's strength relative to the entire > market. As an example I expect that groups that held up especially > well > since 9.11 such as defense stocks will show a decline in GRS when the > 13-week-ago price becomes post-9.11. This is want I expect to see, > and > do not have any problems with it. Horrible explanation, I know, but > there it is anyway. > > > > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of John Kruger > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:38 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH--EPIQ > > > One needs to think a bit about how these "Strength" numbers are > calculated. The name implies some measure of overall strength. In > practice, the number is based on stock prices on only a few dates. > > For example, HGS lists their method of calculating GS as shown below. > > Note that it depends on the prices on only three dates. (I am sure > that > "other" services use a similar method.) A stock (or group) that has > the > same price last Friday as it had 12 weeks ago, may have a poor > "Strength" rating even if (for example)the last 12 weeks formed a > perfect cup and handle. > > So, one must look at the 12/13 week ago price before forming a > conclusion. This will be particularly true when "12 weeks ago" > becomes > "September 11th". > -- > > The Group Ranking is determined by generating indexes for each of the > industry groups in the HGS Warehouse using an Equal Dollar Weighting > and > screening out securities that are less than $5.00. The index start > date > is 1 year back from the Friday of the current week. > > Once the group indexes have been generated, the industry group > indexes > are ranked using the same Ian Slow formula found in the HGS Group > Ranking tool. (HGS Group Ranking is a tool used for generating > customized historical group rankings. It is not available in HGS > Warehouse) This computation requires a minimum of 25 weekly close > values. The time period between the two close dates is divided into > two > segments and each is assigned a different weighting value. The > Warehouse calculates each segment value individually as (((new > price-old > price) / (old price) * 100) * weight), then adds values from both > segments together. The result is a time-weighted percentage price > change of a stock. > > (Current weeks close-12 weeks ago close)/12 weeks ago close * 100 * > 70% > > + > > (13 weeks ago close-25 weeks ago close) / 25 weeks ago close * 100 * > 30% > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] Todays Action Date: 19 Oct 2001 13:49:41 -0700 Surprised at the quiet on the list today. Nice new bull mkt action, opened down, closed strong. Bad news was ignored, good news was rewarded, and buyers stepped in on some oversold CANSLIM "failed breakouts". ADVP bounced like AHMH did yesterday, USPH bounced off its 50 like a superball, and I shied away from several extended stocks that were taking a breather like CPRT, CYTC, AZO, FHRX, FRED, that I shouldn't have. Even had a buy order entered before the open for ESRX that I cancelled (I got enough coffee in me to wake up!) that would have been a killer buy-on-the-dip. Will be watching FHRX on Monday and a few others that tried stealth breakouts today and didn't quite make the vol or the pivot. I still have some cash in my CANSLIM accts but have reinvested the cash I had accumulated with the selling earlier in the week. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH--EPIQ Date: 19 Oct 2001 17:30:48 -0600 Hmm, you had me wondering why it hasn't made my list. Yep, that's it, I used a minimum GRS of 70, so this one wouldn't make the cut. At 06:15 AM 10/19/01 -0700, you wrote: >Yeah, I guess that shows the state of M if IBD is giving a GRS of 67 a "B" >rating. HGS gives it a "B+"! I think I will do my watch list differently >next week to exclude these, I noticed a few crept on there this time. >Thanks for pointing that out. > >At 09:08 AM 10/19/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>"Why are >>talking about this stock so much if it has such so-so numbers?"- (EPIQ) >> >>For me it has to do with its 148% YTD performance and 98/97 A+ IBD >>rating(BAB). No guarantee of future performance, but CANSLIM worthy, >>nevertheless. >> >>Mark Clayton >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of tim@orerockon.com >>Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:42 AM >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Subject: [CANSLIM] USPH >> >> >>USPH also bounced off the 50. I have a mkt order for the open. Definitely >>NOT a CANSLIM trade here. I'm looking for a short term gain. If EPIQ's >>earnings weren't flat and sales weren't down and the GRS weren't 67, I >>might consider it if it traded down to the 50 dma (sub-$24). >> >> >>Tim Fisher >>Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >>Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >>mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >>WWW http://OreRockOn.com >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] USPH--EPIQ Date: 19 Oct 2001 17:33:57 -0600 Um, yes, these numbers are looking for an overall uptrend in the group, and one that exceeds the market, for a certain period of time. Stocks with one year cups aren't going to have good RS rankings, and of course, stocks with one year cups haven't demonstrated much leadership. I think this is clearly the "L" in CANSLIM, both stock RS and group RS. At 09:37 AM 10/19/01 -0700, you wrote: >One needs to think a bit about how these "Strength" numbers are >calculated. The name implies some measure of overall strength. In >practice, the number is based on stock prices on only a few dates. > >For example, HGS lists their method of calculating GS as shown below. >Note that it depends on the prices on only three dates. (I am sure that >"other" services use a similar method.) A stock (or group) that has >the same price last Friday as it had 12 weeks ago, may have a poor >"Strength" rating even if (for example)the last 12 weeks formed a >perfect cup and handle. > >So, one must look at the 12/13 week ago price before forming a >conclusion. This will be particularly true when "12 weeks ago" becomes >"September 11th". >-- > >The Group Ranking is determined by generating indexes for each of the >industry groups in the HGS Warehouse using an Equal Dollar Weighting >and screening out securities that are less than $5.00. The index start >date is 1 year back from the Friday of the current week. > >Once the group indexes have been generated, the industry group indexes >are ranked using the same Ian Slow formula found in the HGS Group >Ranking tool. (HGS Group Ranking is a tool used for generating >customized historical group rankings. It is not available in HGS >Warehouse) This computation requires a minimum of 25 weekly close >values. The time period between the two close dates is divided into two >segments and each is assigned a different weighting value. The >Warehouse calculates each segment value individually as (((new >price-old price) / (old price) * 100) * weight), then adds values from >both segments together. The result is a time-weighted percentage price >change of a stock. > >(Current weeks close-12 weeks ago close)/12 weeks ago close * 100 * 70% > >+ > >(13 weeks ago close-25 weeks ago close) / 25 weeks ago close * 100 * >30% > > > > >--- tim@orerockon.com wrote: >> Yeah, I guess that shows the state of M if IBD is giving a GRS of 67 >> a "B" >> rating. HGS gives it a "B+"! I think I will do my watch list >> differently >> next week to exclude these, I noticed a few crept on there this time. >> >> Thanks for pointing that out. >> >> At 09:08 AM 10/19/2001 -0400, you wrote: >> >"Why are >> >talking about this stock so much if it has such so-so numbers?"- >> (EPIQ) >> > >> >For me it has to do with its 148% YTD performance and 98/97 A+ IBD >> >rating(BAB). No guarantee of future performance, but CANSLIM worthy, >> >nevertheless. >> > >> >Mark Clayton > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Johnson" Subject: [CANSLIM] NLY Date: 20 Oct 2001 07:37:04 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C1593A.03741900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What do you make of the chart of NLY? I see a cup w/ handle. Volume on = the handle seems to be fairly light. =20 The handle has dropped roughly 10% which falls within WON's guidelines, = but it looks really deep compared to the overall depth of the cup. The handle started well into the top half of the cup per WON, but = finished below it. =20 Does this constitute a valid chart formation? Thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C1593A.03741900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What do you make of the chart of NLY?  I see a = cup w/=20 handle.  Volume on the handle seems to be fairly light.  =
 
The handle has dropped roughly 10% which falls = within WON's=20 guidelines, but it looks really deep compared to the overall depth of = the=20 cup.
 
The handle started well into the top half of the cup = per WON,=20 but finished below it. 
 
Does this constitute a valid chart = formation?
 
Thanks!
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C1593A.03741900-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] NLY Date: 20 Oct 2001 09:45:43 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1594B.FCA3D860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andy, Personally, I much prefer a level handle to one that droops. However, = when the handle forms as low as this one did, I see the extent of droop = as indicating weakness, despite the lack of volume. I note debt is high at 191%. I looked at six other REITs doing mortgage = backed investing, found one with debt of 569%. The other five ranged = from 0 to 87%. It has been my experience that REITs deriving their income from = mortgages do very poorly when rates are falling. As people refinance to = get lower rates, those mortgages held by REITs get paid off, dropping = their income, and can only be replaced by lower rate mortgages. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andy Johnson=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] NLY What do you make of the chart of NLY? I see a cup w/ handle. Volume = on the handle seems to be fairly light. =20 =20 The handle has dropped roughly 10% which falls within WON's = guidelines, but it looks really deep compared to the overall depth of = the cup. =20 The handle started well into the top half of the cup per WON, but = finished below it. =20 =20 Does this constitute a valid chart formation? =20 Thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1594B.FCA3D860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Andy,
 
Personally, I much prefer a level handle to one that = droops.=20 However, when the handle forms as low as this one did, I see the extent = of droop=20 as indicating weakness, despite the lack of volume.
 
I note debt is high at 191%. I looked at six other = REITs doing=20 mortgage backed investing, found one with debt of 569%. The other five = ranged=20 from 0 to 87%.
 
It has been my experience that REITs deriving their = income=20 from mortgages do very poorly when rates are falling. As people = refinance to get=20 lower rates, those mortgages held by REITs get paid off, dropping their = income,=20 and can only be replaced by lower rate mortgages.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andy Johnson
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 20, = 2001 7:37=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] NLY

What do you make of the chart of NLY?  I see = a cup w/=20 handle.  Volume on the handle seems to be fairly light. =20
 
The handle has dropped roughly 10% which falls = within WON's=20 guidelines, but it looks really deep compared to the overall depth of = the=20 cup.
 
The handle started well into the top half of the = cup per=20 WON, but finished below it. 
 
Does this constitute a valid chart = formation?
 
Thanks!
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1594B.FCA3D860-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: [CANSLIM] My HGS Watch List Date: 20 Oct 2001 08:18:27 -0700 --=====================_4349023==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My new HGS watch list. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 20 Oct 2001 11:25:56 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C15959.FCCF73E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not much to talk about this weekend. Anthrax attacks seem to be = capturing all the news, and so far appears to stem from a single US = source. Home grown kook instead of the imported kind. Lots of hoaxes and = false alarms continue to disrupt business and people's lives. And a = growing number of people exposed and now on two months of antibiotics. = Bayer, A.G. (the only maker of a US approved antibiotic specifically for = anthrax) has gone from single shift production to 24X7, even activating = a mothballed facility, says the increased sales of this high margin = product won't make up for the lost sales in some of its other products. ------- ON "M" AND ECONOMICS AND EARNINGS This week leaves me feeling a little adrift and uncertain of direction. = We saw the CPI exceed expectations, but all because of a spike since = reversed in the price of gas (which continues to fall). The markets = ended up down a little for the week, but felt more like they were flat, = and lacking the volatility and action we had been seeing. Maybe everyone = is taking a deep breath and trying to relax? We passed the anniversary = of the Oct '87 crash without it being big news for a change. Earnings = and revenues came in at or better than expectations on some major = companies, including tech stocks like INTC and IBM. But that's against = way lowered expectations, and way down from the year prior in most = cases. On the positive side also were several companies raising = expectations for the future, including the current quarter. Housing = starts are up again, but permits down.=20 ------- RECESSION Just about everyone (except me, I guess) seems to have accepted that GDP = for the Third Quarter will be a negative number, marking the beginning = of recession if the 4th qtr is also negative. But read an interesting = interview with one of the Fed governors (out west I think) who is not = convinced that the present qtr will be negative after all. The price of = gas falling should certainly help a little. And the trade balance = improved on the latest report. Employment is still falling, and expected = to fall further, but that's a lagging indicator except for its impact on = consumer spending. Car sales are booming because of attractive deals, = showing consumers are still willing to make big purchases if the price = is right. And mutual funds are reporting net inflow of cash, so maybe = investors are also willing to spend at the right price.=20 ------- WORLEY's WATCHLIST WANNABES It seems that the population of stocks I am looking at today, all with = both RS and EPS of 80 or better (unless otherwise noted) is about stable = with last week. As always, Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO AROW - saucer with 3 week drooping handle, volume not drying up AVD - nice cup with 1 week handle, low ADV BBI - B3 CAH - B3?, 3 week handle on a small cup?? CBT - B3?, more volatile, cup? CGI - B3, volume drying up CMO - 3 week handle on the cup, first b/o failed CPRT - B2+ CYTC - B3 ERIE - B3, smooth chart w/little volatility, low earnings forecast FPA - B3 FBP - nice cup w/one week handle GISX - drooping handle on light volume GPI - B1+ after a severe double (triple?) bottom, volume down GTY - B3 HB - B2, handle on a long saucer? HLYW - B3, high handle? JNC - B2 KG - B3 base below the high KPP - LLUR MCAF - steep staircase? MCO - second entry from the $35 base before the attack? MKC - B3 MMSC - cup completed, volatile one week handle OFIX - B2 PHC - B2+ POSS - another drooping handle on light volume, EPS only 60 but strong = forecast RCGI - B7 SONC - B2+ STJ - b/o continues, still within 5% of pivot of high point in handle STZ - B3 SWWC - B3+ handle on the cup TASR - pure momentum, responding to news that at least one airline = training its pilots on tasers VTA - B3, low EPS ranking but very high earnings forecast WEG - B2+ WFMI - cup completing WSH - B3+ XRAY - B3+ =20 Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C15959.FCCF73E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not much to talk about this weekend. Anthrax attacks = seem to=20 be capturing all the news, and so far appears to stem from a single US = source.=20 Home grown kook instead of the imported kind. Lots of hoaxes and false = alarms=20 continue to disrupt business and people's lives. And a growing number of = people=20 exposed and now on two months of antibiotics. Bayer, A.G. (the only = maker of a=20 US approved antibiotic specifically for anthrax) has gone from single = shift=20 production to 24X7, even activating a mothballed facility, says the = increased=20 sales of this high margin product won't make up for the lost sales in = some of=20 its other products.
ON "M" AND ECONOMICS AND EARNINGS
This week leaves me feeling a little adrift and uncertain of = direction. We=20 saw the CPI exceed expectations, but all because of a spike since = reversed in=20 the price of gas (which continues to fall). The markets ended up down a = little=20 for the week, but felt more like they were flat, and lacking the = volatility and=20 action we had been seeing. Maybe everyone is taking a deep breath and = trying to=20 relax? We passed the anniversary of the Oct '87 crash without it being = big news=20 for a change. Earnings and revenues came in at or better than = expectations on=20 some major companies, including tech stocks like INTC and IBM. But = that's=20 against way lowered expectations, and way down from the year prior in = most=20 cases. On the positive side also were several companies raising = expectations for=20 the future, including the current quarter. Housing starts are up again, = but=20 permits down.=20
RECESSION
Just about everyone (except me, I guess) seems to have accepted = that GDP=20 for the Third Quarter will be a negative number, marking the beginning = of=20 recession if the 4th qtr is also negative. But read an interesting = interview=20 with one of the Fed governors (out west I think) who is not convinced = that the=20 present qtr will be negative after all. The price of gas falling should=20 certainly help a little. And the trade balance improved on the latest = report.=20 Employment is still falling, and expected to fall further, but that's a = lagging=20 indicator except for its impact on consumer spending. Car sales are = booming=20 because of attractive deals, showing consumers are still willing to make = big=20 purchases if the price is right. And mutual funds are reporting net = inflow of=20 cash, so maybe investors are also willing to spend at the right price.=20
WORLEY's WATCHLIST WANNABES
It seems that the population of stocks I am looking at today, all = with both=20 RS and EPS of 80 or better (unless otherwise noted) is about stable with = last=20 week.
 
As always, Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks, IMO
 
AROW - saucer with 3 week drooping handle, volume not drying = up
AVD - nice cup with 1 week handle, low ADV
BBI - B3
CAH - B3?, 3 week handle on a small cup??
CBT - B3?, more volatile, cup?
CGI - B3, volume drying up
CMO - 3 week handle on the cup, first b/o failed
CPRT - B2+
CYTC - B3
ERIE - B3, smooth chart w/little volatility, low earnings = forecast
FPA - B3
FBP - nice cup w/one week handle
GISX - drooping handle on light volume
GPI - B1+ after a severe double (triple?) bottom, volume down
GTY - B3
HB - B2, handle on a long saucer?
HLYW - B3, high handle?
JNC - B2
KG - B3 base below the high
KPP - LLUR
MCAF - steep staircase?
MCO - second entry from the $35 base before the attack?
MKC - B3
MMSC - cup completed, volatile one week handle
OFIX - B2
PHC - B2+
POSS - another drooping handle on light volume, EPS only 60 but = strong=20 forecast
RCGI - B7
SONC - B2+
STJ - b/o continues, still within 5% of pivot of high point in = handle
STZ - B3
SWWC - B3+ handle on the cup
TASR - pure momentum, responding to news that at least one airline = training=20 its pilots on tasers
VTA - B3, low EPS ranking but very high earnings forecast
WEG - B2+
WFMI - cup completing
WSH - B3+
XRAY - B3+
 
 
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] NLY Date: 20 Oct 2001 11:31:25 -0600 I would say the handle runs way to low to even be considered a handle anymore. It's not clear to me if WON meant the mid-point of the handle or the bottom as far as the 50% point goes, but remember that the lower handles are more failure prone, so I steer clear of anything with a handle that touches the 50% point myself. At 07:37 AM 10/20/01 -0400, you wrote: > The handle has dropped roughly 10% which falls within WON's >guidelines, but it looks really deep compared to the overall depth of the >cup. Does this constitute a valid chart formation? Thanks! - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: [CANSLIM] HTF non-canslim Date: 20 Oct 2001 23:35:37 -0500 ATU is certainly not canslim but? They have posted three sequential quarters of higher earnings, their first quarter of year over year growth (0.0 vs .57 beat the street estimate was for .48) in the past five quarters, and are forecast to grow earnings at 33% and 57% over the next two fiscal years respectively (earnings acceleration we like that). The forward PE is just 9.5 and the forward PEG is only .29; plenty of room for multiple expansion. What really caught my eye was the nice HTF chart formation, which by the way makes the right rim and two week handle of a very large 13 1/2 month cup. I will be a buyer at 25.80. E ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Raible Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview - OT Date: 21 Oct 2001 01:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Why do conclude that the terrorist launching anthrax attacks is "homegrown"? I would think that it is quite possibly the work of a terrorist cell operating in the US. Hopefully the FBI can identify the original source and trace its path. --- Tom Worley wrote: > Not much to talk about this weekend. Anthrax attacks seem to be > capturing all the news, and so far appears to stem from a single US > source. Home grown kook instead of the imported kind. Lots of hoaxes > and false alarms continue to disrupt business and people's lives. And > a growing number of people exposed and now on two months of > antibiotics. Bayer, A.G. (the only maker of a US approved antibiotic > specifically for anthrax) has gone from single shift production to > 24X7, even activating a mothballed facility, says the increased sales > of this high margin product won't make up for the lost sales in some > of its other products. > ===== Bob Raible Sunny San Jose,CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview - OT Date: 21 Oct 2001 05:30:42 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C159F1.86B231A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob, We saw considerable planning and organization with the attacks of 9/11. = Clearly it had been going on for several years, including the flight = training. I would expect any true terrorist attack with Anthrax to have = similar planning, with delivery not thru the mail, where only a few = people are exposed or threatened, but rather by delivery into a large = building's HVAC (Heating, Ventilation, Air Conditioning) system where = hundreds or even thousands are potentially exposed. And I would expect = that the person delivering such an attack would have been on that = building's engineering or maintenance staff for the past six months or = more, just waiting. A successful attack doesn't have to infect people with fatal doses, just = make people fear that is the case. And you want to affect as many = different businesses as possible, and as many people as possible across = all social and economic strata. If Osama, or some other aligned terrorist group, had planned this as a = follow on to the 9/11 attacks, then I would expect multiple assaults all = over the country in every major city. It would only require one = individual rather than the four used in each hijack team. And it would = have happened in a very tight time frame, so as to create the greatest = impact on national fear, resources, supplies of Cipro, etc. To me this appears the work of a single individual with a mindset = similar to the Unabomber and with a political agenda against the media = and US government. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bob Raible=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview - OT Why do conclude that the terrorist launching anthrax attacks is "homegrown"? I would think that it is quite possibly the work of a terrorist cell operating in the US. Hopefully the FBI can identify the original source and trace its path. --- Tom Worley wrote: > Not much to talk about this weekend. Anthrax attacks seem to be > capturing all the news, and so far appears to stem from a single US > source. Home grown kook instead of the imported kind. Lots of hoaxes > and false alarms continue to disrupt business and people's lives. = And > a growing number of people exposed and now on two months of > antibiotics. Bayer, A.G. (the only maker of a US approved antibiotic > specifically for anthrax) has gone from single shift production to > 24X7, even activating a mothballed facility, says the increased = sales > of this high margin product won't make up for the lost sales in some > of its other products. >=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Bob Raible Sunny San Jose,CA ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C159F1.86B231A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bob,
 
We saw considerable planning and organization with = the attacks=20 of 9/11. Clearly it had been going on for several years, including the = flight=20 training.  I would expect any true terrorist attack with Anthrax to = have=20 similar planning, with delivery not thru the mail, where only a few = people are=20 exposed or threatened, but rather by delivery into a large building's = HVAC=20 (Heating, Ventilation, Air Conditioning) system where hundreds or even = thousands=20 are potentially exposed. And I would expect that the person delivering = such an=20 attack would have been on that building's engineering or maintenance = staff for=20 the past six months or more, just waiting.
 
A successful attack doesn't have to infect people = with fatal=20 doses, just make people fear that is the case. And you want to affect as = many=20 different businesses as possible, and as many people as possible across = all=20 social and economic strata.
 
If Osama, or some other aligned terrorist group, had = planned=20 this as a follow on to the 9/11 attacks, then I would expect multiple = assaults=20 all over the country in every major city. It would only require one = individual=20 rather than the four used in each hijack team. And it would have = happened in a=20 very tight time frame, so as to create the greatest impact on national = fear,=20 resources, supplies of Cipro, etc.
 
To me this appears the work of a single individual = with a=20 mindset similar to the Unabomber and with a political agenda against the = media=20 and US government.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bob = Raible=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 = 4:32=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's = Weekend=20 Weeview - OT

Why do conclude that the terrorist launching anthrax = attacks=20 is
"homegrown"? I would think that it is quite possibly the work of = a
terrorist cell operating in the US. Hopefully the FBI can = identify=20 the
original source and trace its path.

--- Tom Worley = <stkguru@netside.net> = wrote:
>=20 Not much to talk about this weekend. Anthrax attacks seem to = be
>=20 capturing all the news, and so far appears to stem from a single = US
>=20 source. Home grown kook instead of the imported kind. Lots of = hoaxes
>=20 and false alarms continue to disrupt business and people's lives. = And
>=20 a growing number of people exposed and now on two months of
>=20 antibiotics. Bayer, A.G. (the only maker of a US approved = antibiotic
>=20 specifically for anthrax) has gone from single shift production = to
>=20 24X7, even activating a mothballed facility, says the increased = sales
>=20 of this high margin product won't make up for the lost sales in = some
>=20 of its other products.
>


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Bob = Raible
Sunny San=20 Jose,CA

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C159F1.86B231A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HTF non-canslim Date: 21 Oct 2001 06:41:08 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C159FB.5DC46560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ernie, Statistics and data are all about where you get them from. What DGO = shows is that in three of the past four quarters, earnings declined from = the prior year. And all four of the past four qtrs showed a decline in = sales. According to the company's own news release this month, year 2002 = (started with Sept) will show a marked improvement in earnings on flat = sales numbers. That suggests cost cutting, or a shift to higher margin = products, but not necessarily growth. While I am all for companies = getting lean and mean, this type of earnings growth cannot be sustained = unless sales are also growing. I would be careful with this one. As an observation, the extremely tight flat line base for the past two = weeks immediately made me thing "buyout". I checked the news with no = evidence of this, however. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:35 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] HTF non-canslim ATU is certainly not canslim but? They have posted three sequential quarters of higher earnings, their = first quarter of year over year growth (0.0 vs .57 beat the street estimate = was for .48) in the past five quarters, and are forecast to grow earnings = at 33% and 57% over the next two fiscal years respectively (earnings = acceleration we like that). The forward PE is just 9.5 and the forward PEG is only = .29; plenty of room for multiple expansion. What really caught my eye was the nice HTF chart formation, which by = the way makes the right rim and two week handle of a very large 13 1/2 month = cup. I will be a buyer at 25.80. E ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso=20 Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the=20 use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20 If you have received this email in error please notify the=20 sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C159FB.5DC46560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ernie,
 
Statistics and data are all about where you get them = from.=20 What DGO shows is that in three of the past four quarters, earnings = declined=20 from the prior year. And all four of the past four qtrs showed a decline = in=20 sales. According to the company's own news release this month, year 2002 = (started with Sept) will show a marked improvement in earnings on flat = sales=20 numbers. That suggests cost cutting, or a shift to higher margin = products, but=20 not necessarily growth. While I am all for companies getting lean and = mean, this=20 type of earnings growth cannot be sustained unless sales are also=20 growing.
 
I would be careful with this one.
 
As an observation, the extremely tight flat line = base for the=20 past two weeks immediately made me thing "buyout". I checked the news = with no=20 evidence of this, however.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hill,=20 Ernie
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 = 12:35=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] HTF = non-canslim

ATU is certainly not canslim but?

They have = posted three=20 sequential quarters of higher earnings, their first
quarter of year = over=20 year growth (0.0 vs .57 beat the street estimate was
for .48) in = the past=20 five quarters, and are forecast to grow earnings at 33%
and 57% = over the=20 next two fiscal years respectively (earnings acceleration
we like = that).=20 The forward PE is just 9.5 and the forward PEG is only .29;
plenty = of room=20 for multiple expansion.

What really caught my eye was the nice = HTF=20 chart formation, which by the way
makes the right rim and two week = handle=20 of a very large 13 1/2 month cup.

I will be a buyer at=20 = 25.80.

E


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------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C159FB.5DC46560-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] HTF non-canslim Date: 21 Oct 2001 07:08:06 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15A29.0AA26B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Tom, I agree with you on all counts except maybe the buyout possibility. My intention is to buy on the breakout of the top of the flag pole, and sell when it reaches the target price projected by the chart pattern which should be around the $33 to $34 level. The HTF is a very reliable pattern if it indeed continues to develop. I intend to be quick on the trigger with this one. Every stock I have been in lately has taken off from the chart patterns that I trade only to fail a couple of weeks later. I will not be sticking around for longer term profits in this market until it proves out to be a sustainable new bull. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 5:41 AM Hi Ernie, Statistics and data are all about where you get them from. What DGO shows is that in three of the past four quarters, earnings declined from the prior year. And all four of the past four qtrs showed a decline in sales. According to the company's own news release this month, year 2002 (started with Sept) will show a marked improvement in earnings on flat sales numbers. That suggests cost cutting, or a shift to higher margin products, but not necessarily growth. While I am all for companies getting lean and mean, this type of earnings growth cannot be sustained unless sales are also growing. I would be careful with this one. As an observation, the extremely tight flat line base for the past two weeks immediately made me thing "buyout". I checked the news with no evidence of this, however. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:35 AM ATU is certainly not canslim but? They have posted three sequential quarters of higher earnings, their first quarter of year over year growth (0.0 vs .57 beat the street estimate was for .48) in the past five quarters, and are forecast to grow earnings at 33% and 57% over the next two fiscal years respectively (earnings acceleration we like that). The forward PE is just 9.5 and the forward PEG is only .29; plenty of room for multiple expansion. What really caught my eye was the nice HTF chart formation, which by the way makes the right rim and two week handle of a very large 13 1/2 month cup. I will be a buyer at 25.80. E ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email " majordomo@xmission.com " -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15A29.0AA26B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Tom,
 
I agree with you on all counts except maybe the buyout possibility. My intention is to buy on the breakout of the top of the flag pole, and sell when it reaches the target price projected by the chart pattern which should be around the $33 to $34 level. The HTF is a very reliable pattern if it indeed continues to develop.
 
I intend to be quick on the trigger with this one. Every stock I have been in lately has taken off from the chart patterns that I trade only to fail a couple of weeks later. I will not be sticking around for longer term profits in this market until it proves out to be a sustainable new bull.
 
E
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 5:41 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] HTF non-canslim

Hi Ernie,
 
Statistics and data are all about where you get them from. What DGO shows is that in three of the past four quarters, earnings declined from the prior year. And all four of the past four qtrs showed a decline in sales. According to the company's own news release this month, year 2002 (started with Sept) will show a marked improvement in earnings on flat sales numbers. That suggests cost cutting, or a shift to higher margin products, but not necessarily growth. While I am all for companies getting lean and mean, this type of earnings growth cannot be sustained unless sales are also growing.
 
I would be careful with this one.
 
As an observation, the extremely tight flat line base for the past two weeks immediately made me thing "buyout". I checked the news with no evidence of this, however.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:35 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] HTF non-canslim

ATU is certainly not canslim but?

They have posted three sequential quarters of higher earnings, their first
quarter of year over year growth (0.0 vs .57 beat the street estimate was
for .48) in the past five quarters, and are forecast to grow earnings at 33%
and 57% over the next two fiscal years respectively (earnings acceleration
we like that). The forward PE is just 9.5 and the forward PEG is only .29;
plenty of room for multiple expansion.

What really caught my eye was the nice HTF chart formation, which by the way
makes the right rim and two week handle of a very large 13 1/2 month cup.

I will be a buyer at 25.80.

E


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15A29.0AA26B60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO Custom Screens Date: 21 Oct 2001 20:01:49 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C15A6B.3893DEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For any DGO subscriber participating in the beta test, thought I would = post this just in case you missed the boiler plate at the bottom of the = Custom Screens list. Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your personal use only. The = screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, message = boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or = services for sale. My first few attempts at setting up a scanning criteria resulted in zero = stocks being found. I know I am demanding, didn't realize just how much. = So this weekend I built a spreadsheet for the 40 or so I currently have, = entering the values for each criteria. Was a good exercise, made me = examine each much more carefully than I had been doing. I have now = adjusted the criteria and got a list of 50, and will continue playing = with the criteria to make it more useful to me. And now I have a "check = list" which I will use in the future. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C15A6B.3893DEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For any DGO subscriber participating in the beta = test, thought=20 I would post this just in case you missed the boiler plate at the bottom = of the=20 Custom Screens list.
 
Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your = personal use=20 only. The screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, = message=20 boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or = services for=20 sale.
 
My first few attempts at setting up a scanning = criteria=20 resulted in zero stocks being found. I know I am demanding, didn't = realize just=20 how much. So this weekend I built a spreadsheet for the 40 or so I = currently=20 have, entering the values for each criteria. Was a good exercise, made = me=20 examine each much more carefully than I had been doing. I have now = adjusted the=20 criteria and got a list of 50, and will continue playing with the = criteria to=20 make it more useful to me. And now I have a "check list" which I will = use in the=20 future.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C15A6B.3893DEE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 21 Oct 2001 21:04:23 -0500 I understand that by WONs rules we are in a confirmed rally. However, I'm not finding very many good bases near completion or very many breakouts from good canslim bases. And, I think I have noticed in IBD that they have been emphasizing lately the need for more than just a few good charts breaking out before we can really tell if this a 'teaser rally' (my words) or the beginning of something substantial. Am I missing something? Seems like too many good stocks with failing breakouts for this to be the 'real thing'. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:39 PM > I too was stopped out of USPH, fortunately I did not go into DORL. My > initial reaction is to head for cover too but also I realize that maybe me > and my stock picking/pivot picking are probably the problem. OTOH, I cant > afford to keep up at this pace either. WON said he hit 10 bad trades in a > row so maybe we are in good company. > I have to agree that at least to my untrained eyes the M seems OK, sort > of. At least IBD is maintaining a positive attitude and I am trying to > follow them and learn, still I suspect even they can be wrong sometimes. > > Charlie > Discouraged but not giving up yet > Charlie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > > > Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading > > yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those situations > > where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. > > > > Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a new > > bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard > > within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to > > me. Back on the sidelines again... > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Subject: [CANSLIM] Acc/Dis Numbers Date: 21 Oct 2001 22:23:15 -0400 ------ =_NextPart_000_01C15A7E.FB23EFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All: Here are the latest Acc/Dis numbers. The market continues to improve. spread sheet version: Date,A,B,C,D,E,% of AB/A:E,%E,Market Posture 10/1/01,217,1022,1037,1537,1422,24%,27%,Market in correction 10/2/01,297,1234,1109,1446,1182,29%,22%,Market in correction 10/3/01,267,1236,1105,1447,1193,29%,23%,Market in correction 10/4/01,305,1275,1105,1417,1138,30%,22%,Market in correction 10/5/01,343,1406,1169,1404,935,33%,18%,Market in correction 10/8/01,371,1501,1190,1401,817,35%,15%,Market in correction 10/9/01,390,1503,1185,1426,810,36%,15%,Market in correction 10/10/01,363,1512,1173,1403,825,36%,16%,Market in correction 10/11/01,369,1506,1179,1378,841,36%,16%,Market in correction 10/12/01,390,1634,1252,1309,725,38%,14%,Market in correction 10/15/01,439,1859,1242,1188,609,43%,11%,Market in correction 10/16/01,440,1849,1229,1215,609,43%,11%,Market in correction 10/17/01,465,1859,1215,1195,607,44%,11%,Market in correction 10/18/01,485,1934,1211,1164,558,45%,10%,Market in correction 10/19/01,445,1849,1216,1245,591,43%,11%,Market in correction Robert ------ =_NextPart_000_01C15A7E.FB23EFA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 21 Oct 2001 20:50:49 -0600 I agree. We did see a pattern of breakouts a week or so back, but quite a few reversed, and not many have moved on up. Maybe another strong week on the market would change this, but I'm holding my 2 positions, and being VERY picky when I look at new possibilities. (So picky I haven't bought anything else for a while now.) At 09:04 PM 10/21/01 -0500, you wrote: >I understand that by WONs rules we are in a confirmed rally. However, I'm >not finding very many good bases near completion or very many breakouts from >good canslim bases. And, I think I have noticed in IBD that they have been >emphasizing lately the need for more than just a few good charts breaking >out before we can really tell if this a 'teaser rally' (my words) or the >beginning of something substantial. Am I missing something? Seems like too >many good stocks with failing breakouts for this to be the 'real thing'. > >Norm > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "charles cangialosi" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:39 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > >> I too was stopped out of USPH, fortunately I did not go into DORL. My >> initial reaction is to head for cover too but also I realize that maybe me >> and my stock picking/pivot picking are probably the problem. OTOH, I cant >> afford to keep up at this pace either. WON said he hit 10 bad trades in a >> row so maybe we are in good company. >> I have to agree that at least to my untrained eyes the M seems OK, >sort >> of. At least IBD is maintaining a positive attitude and I am trying to >> follow them and learn, still I suspect even they can be wrong sometimes. >> >> Charlie >> Discouraged but not giving up yet >> Charlie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM >> Subject: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs >> >> >> > Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading >> > yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those >situations >> > where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. >> > >> > Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a >new >> > bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard >> > within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to >> > me. Back on the sidelines again... >> > >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO Custom Screens Date: 21 Oct 2001 20:48:35 -0600 --=====================_4307017==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been trying many different screens. This weekend I did screens for=20 both long and short selling possibilities. Came up with 30 for the long=20 side and 21 for the short side. I think if I can set my criteria to limit=20 candidate lists to under 50 for both long and short I'll be able to run a=20 screen every night. Get lots of flexibility with the screens. When I scan=20 for short possibilities I select the options flag so I don't waste my time= =20 looking at stocks I can't buy puts on. I can even limit my criteria for=20 shorts to look for stocks that are below the 50dma and 200dma. Don't know if you seen this. If you input any value for latest quarterly=20 earnings you will exclude stocks that have positive earnings this quarter=20 vs. neg. earnings same quarter prior year. DGO puts a # sign in front of=20 the % increases for those situations and the screen does not recognize the= =20 #. So you would not see a stock like POSS or AMRN. I've notified DGO cust=20 service of this and was told that the development group will be made aware= =20 of it. At 08:01 PM 10/21/01 -0400, you wrote: >For any DGO subscriber participating in the beta test, thought I would=20 >post this just in case you missed the boiler plate at the bottom of the=20 >Custom Screens list. > >Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your personal use only. The=20 >screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, message boards,= =20 >Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or services for= sale. > >My first few attempts at setting up a scanning criteria resulted in zero=20 >stocks being found. I know I am demanding, didn't realize just how much.=20 >So this weekend I built a spreadsheet for the 40 or so I currently have,=20 >entering the values for each criteria. Was a good exercise, made me=20 >examine each much more carefully than I had been doing. I have now=20 >adjusted the criteria and got a list of 50, and will continue playing with= =20 >the criteria to make it more useful to me. And now I have a "check list"=20 >which I will use in the future. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley --=====================_4307017==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been trying many different screens. This weekend I did screens for both long and short selling possibilities. Came up with 30 for the long side and 21 for the short side. I think if I can set my criteria to limit candidate lists to under 50 for both long and short I'll be able to run a screen every night. Get lots of flexibility with the screens. When I scan for short possibilities I select the options flag so I don't waste my time looking at stocks I can't buy puts on. I can even limit my criteria for shorts to look for stocks that are below the 50dma and 200dma.

Don't know if you seen this. If you input any value for latest quarterly earnings you will exclude stocks that have positive earnings this quarter vs. neg. earnings same quarter prior year. DGO puts a # sign in front of the % increases for those situations and the screen does not recognize the #. So you would not see a stock like POSS or AMRN. I've notified DGO cust service of this and was told that the development group will be made aware of it.

At 08:01 PM 10/21/01 -0400, you wrote:
For any DGO subscriber participating in the beta test, thought I would post this just in case you missed the boiler plate at the bottom of the Custom Screens list.
 
Daily Graphs=AE Custom Screen Wizard is for your personal use only. The screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, message boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or services for sale.
 
My first few attempts at setting up a scanning criteria resulted in zero stocks being found. I know I am demanding, didn't realize just how much. So this weekend I built a spreadsheet for the 40 or so I currently have, entering the values for each criteria. Was a good exercise, made me examine each much more carefully than I had been doing. I have now adjusted the criteria and got a list of 50, and will continue playing with the criteria to make it more useful to me. And now I have a "check list" which I will use in the future.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
--=====================_4307017==_.ALT-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kruger Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO Custom Screens Date: 21 Oct 2001 20:09:54 -0700 (PDT) --- Tom Worley wrote: > For any DGO subscriber participating in the beta test, thought I > would post this just in case you missed the boiler plate at the > bottom of the Custom Screens list. > > Daily Graphs® Custom Screen Wizard is for your personal use only. The > screens may not be posted for others to view on Web sites, message > boards, Web discussion groups, or for use in creating products or > services for sale. Since that is the way that they feel about it, maybe the best way to help them out is to not mention DGO at all! I certainly wouldn't want you to get in trouble for selling any of their services. I will help out by not buying any of their services. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs Date: 21 Oct 2001 21:05:25 -0700 I've got CEDC and NHHC acting very strong, and everything else just picking daisies in the outfield. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:04 PM > I understand that by WONs rules we are in a confirmed rally. However, I'm > not finding very many good bases near completion or very many breakouts from > good canslim bases. And, I think I have noticed in IBD that they have been > emphasizing lately the need for more than just a few good charts breaking > out before we can really tell if this a 'teaser rally' (my words) or the > beginning of something substantial. Am I missing something? Seems like too > many good stocks with failing breakouts for this to be the 'real thing'. > > Norm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "charles cangialosi" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > > > I too was stopped out of USPH, fortunately I did not go into DORL. My > > initial reaction is to head for cover too but also I realize that maybe me > > and my stock picking/pivot picking are probably the problem. OTOH, I cant > > afford to keep up at this pace either. WON said he hit 10 bad trades in a > > row so maybe we are in good company. > > I have to agree that at least to my untrained eyes the M seems OK, > sort > > of. At least IBD is maintaining a positive attitude and I am trying to > > follow them and learn, still I suspect even they can be wrong sometimes. > > > > Charlie > > Discouraged but not giving up yet > > Charlie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:01 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Failed BOs > > > > > > > Stopped out of DORL, USPH. Luckily bailed on ADVP at end of trading > > > yesterday with less than 4% loss. Just seemed like one of those > situations > > > where it was not necessary to wait for a 7% loss. > > > > > > Despite all the evidence (and strong words by IBD) that this may be a > new > > > bull market, when breakouts of fundamentally strong stocks fail hard > > > within days it seems to me the market is not ready. Looks like April to > > > me. Back on the sidelines again... > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: [CANSLIM] CERN Date: 22 Oct 2001 09:58:23 -0400 CERN might be breaking out... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] kkd Date: 22 Oct 2001 08:07:27 -0600 Went through a lot of the stocks on Tim's list, I was thinking KKD is the best looking one of the bunch. Anyone else think this is a C&H, or am I misreading the chart? Handle is a touch lower than the right side of the cup, don't know if this is a problem - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] kkd Date: 22 Oct 2001 07:26:02 -0700 I like it, am watching, have no hope for retail though. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wahl Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:07 AM Went through a lot of the stocks on Tim's list, I was thinking KKD is the best looking one of the bunch. Anyone else think this is a C&H, or am I misreading the chart? Handle is a touch lower than the right side of the cup, don't know if this is a problem - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom's list Date: 22 Oct 2001 07:44:45 -0700 Anyone have Tom's weekend review list? I forgot to make a portfolio so I could watch it this week. CYTC flirting w/ b/o today. Earnings due this week - makes me scared. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Fisher Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:26 AM I like it, am watching, have no hope for retail though. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wahl Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:07 AM Went through a lot of the stocks on Tim's list, I was thinking KKD is the best looking one of the bunch. Anyone else think this is a C&H, or am I misreading the chart? Handle is a touch lower than the right side of the cup, don't know if this is a problem - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CERN Date: 22 Oct 2001 08:19:10 -0700 Aren't you concerned that the 52 wk high is at 64.87? I like it too, want to buy if it gets to a 5% gain today. That high is a bit stale (> 6 mos) so maybe a more appropriate pivot is the 6 month high of 56.81. But that would be cheating. Maybe we are settling for second best here? Does not forebode well for CANSLIM as many others have pointed out. I have done better buying pullbacks that breakouts since 9.11 except for HRH which is saving my bacon. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CERN Date: 22 Oct 2001 08:19:10 -0700 Aren't you concerned that the 52 wk high is at 64.87? I like it too, want to buy if it gets to a 5% gain today. That high is a bit stale (> 6 mos) so maybe a more appropriate pivot is the 6 month high of 56.81. But that would be cheating. Maybe we are settling for second best here? Does not forebode well for CANSLIM as many others have pointed out. I have done better buying pullbacks that breakouts since 9.11 except for HRH which is saving my bacon. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CERN Date: 22 Oct 2001 11:39:56 -0400 I see a CH with a pivot of 56.92 on 10/11. I guess it's a bit of a cheat given the volume characteristics of the right side and handle. Fundamentally it's the top stock in its group, although the group strength is not so great. I would agree CANSLIM is not doing so well now. Breakouts are prone to failure. It may be time to consider other strategies until some real solid CANSLIM bases start setting up. -- Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:19 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CERN > > > Aren't you concerned that the 52 wk high is at 64.87? I like it too, > want to buy if it gets to a 5% gain today. That high is a bit stale (> 6 > mos) so maybe a more appropriate pivot is the 6 month high of 56.81. But > that would be cheating. Maybe we are settling for second best here? Does > not forebode well for CANSLIM as many others have pointed out. I have > done better buying pullbacks that breakouts since 9.11 except for HRH > which is saving my bacon. > > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jimfritsch" Subject: [CANSLIM] Anyone know of good portfolio management software? Date: 22 Oct 2001 16:48:45 -0400 Anyone know of good software (other than Excel, which I am using now) to track profits and losses, leave comments etc. I've been told quicken is good .... Thanx --jjf (Jim Fritsch) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Anyone know of good portfolio management software? Date: 22 Oct 2001 13:55:48 -0700 I use it and it is OK but not that good. Uses some quirky formulas and is not that flexible. As far as comments there is no provision for that. I ordered the 2002 version last night so I may be able to say more when I get it. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jimfritsch Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:49 PM Anyone know of good software (other than Excel, which I am using now) to track profits and losses, leave comments etc. I've been told quicken is good .... Thanx --jjf (Jim Fritsch) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Improvements to DGO (was Fw: Charts of major indexes) Date: 22 Oct 2001 19:51:51 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C15B32.FEA1E600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For fellow DGO subscribers. If you like my last suggestion, tell = CustServ, the more subscribers they hear it from, the more likely they = are to consider it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:31 AM With the current version of Daily Graphs Online (4.0), we have never been able to provide the 200-day moving average line due to a technical factor related to using our mainframes to provide the service. It is this limitation, as well as other reasons that we have created a server network to provide the new beta service. With this upcoming version, you will see this line. In addition, in the near future, it is likely that you will be able to change the parameters of the 50 and 200-day price lines. Regarding the last comment, I will provide this information to our development committee for consideration. Have a good week, Dan Daily Graphs Online -----Original Message----- Is there a reason only the 50 DMA line, and not the 200 DMA line as well, is included on the charts found under Markets? It would also be nice to show a 10 DMA line, to help better gauge the short term trend in the markets. I would also like to see follow through, and distribution, days clearly marked much like short term highs and lows are marked. Maybe in contrasting colors or with labels. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C15B32.FEA1E600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For fellow DGO subscribers. If you like my last = suggestion,=20 tell CustServ, the more subscribers they hear it from, the more likely = they are=20 to consider it.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Custserv@dailygraphs.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: Charts of major indexes = [T20011022006E]

With the current version of Daily Graphs Online (4.0), we = have=20 never
been able to provide the 200-day moving average line due to a=20 technical
factor related to using our mainframes to provide the=20 service.  It is
this limitation, as well as other reasons that = we have=20 created a server
network to provide the new beta service.  With = this=20 upcoming version,
you will see this line.  In addition, in the = near=20 future, it is likely
that you will be able to change the parameters = of the 50=20 and 200-day
price lines.

Regarding the last comment, I will = provide=20 this information to our
development committee for = consideration.

Have=20 a good week,

Dan

Daily Graphs Online

-----Original=20 Message-----

Is there a reason only the 50 DMA line, and not the = 200 DMA=20 line as
well, is included on the charts found under = Markets?

It would=20 also be nice to show a 10 DMA line, to help better gauge the
short = term trend=20 in the markets.

I would also like to see follow through, = and=20 distribution, days clearly
marked much like short term highs and lows = are=20 marked. Maybe in
contrasting colors or with = labels.

Tom=20 Worley
stkguru@netside.net = <mailto:stkguru@netside.net>AIM:=20 TexWorley


------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C15B32.FEA1E600-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: [CANSLIM] HTF ATU Date: 22 Oct 2001 18:56:27 -0500 ATU as I mentioned before does not have canslim fundamentals. I mention it here in this forum because of the HTF chart formation. We don't see good examples of this formation very often so I wanted to present it to the group. It broke out of the flag consolidation today on 2.7 times Avg. DV. The target for completion of this formation is in the $33 to $34 range. I hope to make a quick strike profit on this one. E ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] WMAR Date: 22 Oct 2001 20:47:54 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C15B3A.D2C45EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable West Marine broke to and closed at a new high today on 1.7X ADV. Not = great CANSLIM, EPS is only 67, and 5 year earnings growth a negative = 12%. But forecast for this year is up 79%, with another 24% next year. Decent chart. Reported at the top of the company's forecast for Q3, = after raising the target a few pennies. Disclosure: I picked up some for my VR fund at the open. Wish I'd bot = some real shares. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C15B3A.D2C45EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
West Marine broke to and closed at a new high today = on 1.7X=20 ADV. Not great CANSLIM, EPS is only 67, and 5 year earnings growth a = negative=20 12%. But forecast for this year is up 79%, with another 24% next=20 year.
 
Decent chart. Reported at the top of the company's = forecast=20 for Q3, after raising the target a few pennies.
 
Disclosure: I picked up some for my VR fund at the = open. Wish=20 I'd bot some real shares.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01C15B3A.D2C45EC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Surindra" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Improvements to DGO (was Fw: Charts of major indexes) Date: 22 Oct 2001 21:19:53 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C15B3F.4A577F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DGO on line lags way behind. If you visit their site, you may agree with me. Here are couple of examples: Look at the quote figures from the current dailygraphs.com main page: Daily Graphs Online 4.0 - Statement of Year 2000 Readiness Daily Graphs Online ® version 4.0 is the Y2K compliant version of Daily Graphs Online software. This software version was released on September 1, 1999, and is available to all Daily Graphs Online subscribers as part of the overall service. No additional fees will be charged. More here: http://dailygraphs.com/Y2K.htm Regards Surindra -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:52 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] Improvements to DGO (was Fw: Charts of major indexes) For fellow DGO subscribers. If you like my last suggestion, tell CustServ, the more subscribers they hear it from, the more likely they are to consider it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- From: Custserv@dailygraphs.com To: stkguru@netside.net Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:31 AM Subject: RE: Charts of major indexes [T20011022006E] With the current version of Daily Graphs Online (4.0), we have never been able to provide the 200-day moving average line due to a technical factor related to using our mainframes to provide the service. It is this limitation, as well as other reasons that we have created a server network to provide the new beta service. With this upcoming version, you will see this line. In addition, in the near future, it is likely that you will be able to change the parameters of the 50 and 200-day price lines. Regarding the last comment, I will provide this information to our development committee for consideration. Have a good week, Dan Daily Graphs Online -----Original Message----- Is there a reason only the 50 DMA line, and not the 200 DMA line as well, is included on the charts found under Markets? It would also be nice to show a 10 DMA line, to help better gauge the short term trend in the markets. I would also like to see follow through, and distribution, days clearly marked much like short term highs and lows are marked. Maybe in contrasting colors or with labels. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C15B3F.4A577F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DGO on line lags way behind. If = you visit=20 their site, you may agree with me. Here are couple of = examples:
 
Look at the quote = figures from the=20 current dailygraphs.com main page:
 
3D"Welcome
 

Daily Graphs Online 4.0 - = Statement of=20 Year 2000 Readiness

Daily Graphs Online = =AE=20 version 4.0 is the Y2K compliant version of Daily Graphs Online = software.=20 This software version was released on September 1, 1999, and is = available to all=20 Daily Graphs Online subscribers as part of the overall service. No = additional=20 fees will be charged.=20 More here: = http://dailygraphs.com/Y2K.htm

Regards

 

Surindra

 
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:52 PM
To:=20 CANSLIM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Improvements to DGO (was Fw: = Charts of=20 major indexes)

For fellow DGO subscribers. If you like my last = suggestion,=20 tell CustServ, the more subscribers they hear it from, the more likely = they=20 are to consider it.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Custserv@dailygraphs.com =
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: Charts of major indexes = [T20011022006E]

With the current version of Daily Graphs Online (4.0), = we have=20 never
been able to provide the 200-day moving average line due to a = technical
factor related to using our mainframes to provide the=20 service.  It is
this limitation, as well as other reasons that = we have=20 created a server
network to provide the new beta service.  = With this=20 upcoming version,
you will see this line.  In addition, in the = near=20 future, it is likely
that you will be able to change the parameters = of the=20 50 and 200-day
price lines.

Regarding the last comment, I = will=20 provide this information to our
development committee for=20 consideration.

Have a good week,

Dan

Daily Graphs = Online

-----Original Message-----

Is there a reason only = the 50=20 DMA line, and not the 200 DMA line as
well, is included on the = charts found=20 under Markets?

It would also be nice to show a 10 DMA line, to = help=20 better gauge the
short term trend in the markets.

I = would=20 also like to see follow through, and distribution, days = clearly
marked much=20 like short term highs and lows are marked. Maybe in
contrasting = colors or=20 with labels.

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net <mailto:stkguru@netside.net>AIM:=20 TexWorley


------=_NextPart_000_0061_01C15B3F.4A577F40-- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] KRSL,NHHC, Date: 22 Oct 2001 22:32:39 EDT --part1_136.372ca03.290630c7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KRSL,I feel I should buy at least another 1,000 shrs of this one. Good backlog last qtr might result in another great qtr soon to be released. NHHC, nice break out today on 1,300% of adv. RMCI, should see new high tomorrow. VLO, earning out tomorrow, we'll see tomorrow. FTO, I like the looks of this chart. Rebounded nicely from the selloff last Thur. Enjoy all, Chris. --part1_136.372ca03.290630c7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KRSL,I feel I should buy at least another 1,000 shrs of this one. Good backlog last qtr might result in another great qtr soon to be released.

NHHC, nice break out today on 1,300% of adv.

RMCI, should see new high tomorrow.

VLO, earning out tomorrow, we'll see tomorrow.

FTO, I like the looks of this chart. Rebounded nicely from the selloff last Thur.

Enjoy all, Chris. --part1_136.372ca03.290630c7_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas Barone" Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 22 Oct 2001 19:43:57 -0700 Hi All: STJ as well as other B/O seem to not be acting properly. STJ broke out on (3x ADV) heavy volume but not with great price movement - then dropped down almost to the base on 2x volume - then up two days on 1 x volume - then today broke down a point and a half but fought it's way back to almost no change on 1 x volume and in after hours dropped a point. - which is really confusing - anyone know why ? Quite confusing. All this with the Dow jumping up to almost resistence on lower volume ? Hope this is not April/May all over AGAIN !!! Comments ?? NVB _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Adair" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Acc/Dis Numbers Date: 23 Oct 2001 09:50:07 -0500 Thanks for this information it is helpful -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:23 PM Hello All: Here are the latest Acc/Dis numbers. The market continues to improve. spread sheet version: Date,A,B,C,D,E,% of AB/A:E,%E,Market Posture 10/1/01,217,1022,1037,1537,1422,24%,27%,Market in correction 10/2/01,297,1234,1109,1446,1182,29%,22%,Market in correction 10/3/01,267,1236,1105,1447,1193,29%,23%,Market in correction 10/4/01,305,1275,1105,1417,1138,30%,22%,Market in correction 10/5/01,343,1406,1169,1404,935,33%,18%,Market in correction 10/8/01,371,1501,1190,1401,817,35%,15%,Market in correction 10/9/01,390,1503,1185,1426,810,36%,15%,Market in correction 10/10/01,363,1512,1173,1403,825,36%,16%,Market in correction 10/11/01,369,1506,1179,1378,841,36%,16%,Market in correction 10/12/01,390,1634,1252,1309,725,38%,14%,Market in correction 10/15/01,439,1859,1242,1188,609,43%,11%,Market in correction 10/16/01,440,1849,1229,1215,609,43%,11%,Market in correction 10/17/01,465,1859,1215,1195,607,44%,11%,Market in correction 10/18/01,485,1934,1211,1164,558,45%,10%,Market in correction 10/19/01,445,1849,1216,1245,591,43%,11%,Market in correction Robert - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] resistance Date: 23 Oct 2001 10:07:48 -0600 I've noticed that the S&P has been bumping its head at the 1100 level and having some problems there, it happened again today, just about exactly that level in the futures market. So watch for it to clear that level for another leg up. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Warren Keuffel Subject: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 23 Oct 2001 12:41:01 -0600 I'm sure this is a 52-week high stupid question, but I am unable to find WMAR in my IBD. Looked in NYSE, NASDAQ and <$10 tables under "W"s and can't find it. Do I need new glasses or what? Thanks, Warren - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 23 Oct 2001 15:32:38 -0400 It looks like STJ is stalled out. Every time this happens to me the only direction it goes is down. Perhaps I should consider saying goodby to this one. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: [CANSLIM] CPRT Date: 24 Oct 2001 00:30:54 -0700 Last Friday announced plans to offer 4 million shares of common stock...........Any educated guesses how much wind this will take out of Copart's sails? I'm in at a basis of 23.50, trying to decide whether to look for short term profits or ride it out. Thanks Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:41 AM > I'm sure this is a 52-week high stupid question, but I am unable to find > WMAR in my IBD. Looked in NYSE, NASDAQ and <$10 tables under "W"s and > can't find it. Do I need new glasses or what? > > Thanks, > Warren > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] CPRT Date: 23 Oct 2001 21:56:37 +0200 Its rolling over with pretty high volumne, I would sell ... > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Perry Stanfield [SMTP:mpstan@home.com] > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2001 09:31 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: [CANSLIM] CPRT > > Last Friday announced plans to offer 4 million shares of common > stock...........Any educated guesses how much wind this will take out of > Copart's sails? I'm in at a basis of 23.50, trying to decide whether to > look for short term profits or ride it out. > > Thanks > > Perry > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Keuffel" > To: "CANSLIM list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:41 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? > > > > I'm sure this is a 52-week high stupid question, but I am unable to find > > WMAR in my IBD. Looked in NYSE, NASDAQ and <$10 tables under "W"s and > > can't find it. Do I need new glasses or what? > > > > Thanks, > > Warren > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas Barone" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 23 Oct 2001 13:33:58 -0700 I think you might be right Charlie!!! NVB >From: "Charles Cangialosi" >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >To: >Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ >Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:32:38 -0400 > > > > It looks like STJ is stalled out. Every time this happens to me the only >direction it goes is down. Perhaps I should consider saying goodby to this >one. > > Charlie > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicholas Barone" Subject: [CANSLIM] kkd Date: 23 Oct 2001 13:34:52 -0700 I've been watching KKD again as I did well by it in the April/May pop. But today on the Street.com - I saw this: "The days trading for the shares has resulted in a false upside breakout this morning with the stock now down for the day. The point swing for the day thus far for KKD is a fat 4 points adding validity to the downside momentum." Considering all the B/O troubles - we've been having - what do you think ? Comments ?? NVB _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 23 Oct 2001 18:57:42 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C15BF4.9863A6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's full name is West Marine, Inc., and should be in the main Nasdaq = listings as it is NMS (Nat'l Market System). Closed up another point and = a half today on 5X ADV at $15.70 (see, I don't always buy cheap = stocks!). New high, now is extended more than 5%. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Warren Keuffel=20 To: CANSLIM list=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:41 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? I'm sure this is a 52-week high stupid question, but I am unable to = find WMAR in my IBD. Looked in NYSE, NASDAQ and <$10 tables under "W"s and can't find it. Do I need new glasses or what? Thanks, Warren - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C15BF4.9863A6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's full name is West Marine, Inc., and should be = in the main=20 Nasdaq listings as it is NMS (Nat'l Market System). Closed up another = point and=20 a half today on 5X ADV at $15.70 (see, I don't always buy cheap = stocks!). New=20 high, now is extended more than 5%.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Warren=20 Keuffel
To: CANSLIM list
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 = 2:41=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Where to = find=20 WMAR?

I'm sure this is a 52-week high stupid question, but I = am=20 unable to find
WMAR in my IBD.  Looked in NYSE, NASDAQ and = <$10=20 tables under "W"s and
can't find it.  Do I need new glasses or = what?

Thanks,
Warren


-
-To = subscribe/unsubscribe,=20 email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C15BF4.9863A6E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STJ Date: 23 Oct 2001 19:01:39 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C15BF5.259F5A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the volume continues to drop, don't know that I would call it = "stalling". Keep a tight stop, tho. But note it "stalled" for over two = weeks right at 70 before moving another 4+ points higher. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ It looks like STJ is stalled out. Every time this happens to me the = only direction it goes is down. Perhaps I should consider saying goodby to = this one. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C15BF5.259F5A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If the volume continues to drop, don't know that I = would call=20 it "stalling". Keep a tight stop, tho. But note it "stalled" for over = two weeks=20 right at 70 before moving another 4+ points higher.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 = 3:32=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] STJ



 It looks like STJ is stalled out. Every = time this=20 happens to me the only
direction it goes is down. Perhaps I should = consider=20 saying goodby to this
one.

Charlie


-
-To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C15BF5.259F5A40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CPRT Date: 23 Oct 2001 19:03:54 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C15BF5.75ED84E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never like to own a stock that announces a secondary. You can almost = always sell, and buy it back cheaper later, preferably but not always = after they complete the secondary (assuming you still then want it = back). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Himmelreich=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 3:56 PM Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] CPRT Its rolling over with pretty high volumne, I would sell ... > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Perry Stanfield [SMTP:mpstan@home.com] > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2001 09:31 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: [CANSLIM] CPRT >=20 > Last Friday announced plans to offer 4 million shares of common > stock...........Any educated guesses how much wind this will take = out of > Copart's sails? I'm in at a basis of 23.50, trying to decide = whether to > look for short term profits or ride it out. >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Perry >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Keuffel" > To: "CANSLIM list" > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:41 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? >=20 >=20 > > I'm sure this is a 52-week high stupid question, but I am unable = to find > > WMAR in my IBD. Looked in NYSE, NASDAQ and <$10 tables under "W"s = and > > can't find it. Do I need new glasses or what? > > > > Thanks, > > Warren > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >=20 >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C15BF5.75ED84E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I never like to own a stock that announces a = secondary. You=20 can almost always sell, and buy it back cheaper later, preferably but = not always=20 after they complete the secondary (assuming you still then want it=20 back).
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andreas = Himmelreich
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 = 3:56=20 PM
Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] = CPRT

Its rolling over with pretty high volumne, I would sell = ...

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Perry = Stanfield=20 [SMTP:mpstan@home.com]
>=20 Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2001 09:31
> An: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>=20 Betreff: [CANSLIM] CPRT
>
> Last Friday announced plans = to offer=20 4 million shares of common
> stock...........Any educated = guesses how=20 much wind this will take out of
> Copart's sails?   = I'm in at=20 a basis of 23.50, trying to decide whether to
> look for short = term=20 profits or ride it out.
>
> Thanks
>
> = Perry
>=20
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: = "Warren=20 Keuffel" <wkeuffel@xmission.com>
&g= t; To:=20 "CANSLIM list" <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:41 AM
> Subject: [CANSLIM] = Where to=20 find WMAR?
>
>
> > I'm sure this is a 52-week = high=20 stupid question, but I am unable to find
> > WMAR in my = IBD. =20 Looked in NYSE, NASDAQ and <$10 tables under "W"s and
> > = can't=20 find it.  Do I need new glasses or what?
> >
> = >=20 Thanks,
> > Warren
> >
> >
> > = -
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Much as I like their donuts hot off the rack, I = still cannot=20 understand a PE multiple of 106 for hot air and melted sugar, even given = their=20 growth from new stores.
 
Chart wise, looks like a double bottom with a two = week handle.=20 Volume in the handle, for the most part, has been light. I would say = this stock=20 is ready to move, but whether up or down is anybody's = guess.
 
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I've been watching KKD again as I did well by it in the = April/May pop.

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"The days trading for the shares has resulted in = a false=20 upside breakout
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Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? Date: 23 Oct 2001 16:26:21 -0700 I thought that at least one major market index had to be down 1% (or 2% depending if the new rules apply to distribution) on heavier vol than the day before in order for it to be a distribution day. Not that I'm disputing you; my account definitely distributed some of my wealth today! Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles Cangialosi Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:14 PM To my untrained eye, today was a distribution day. In fact I think possibly it is the third, 10/17,10/18,10/23, also I was looking at some of the good looking break outs and it appears there are a large number of failures. I am sure that someone is doing great right now, but I don't really have he experience to do very well in this confusing market. I am a big believer in CANSLIM but at the moment perhaps there are some bargains to be had in some beaten down stocks. WON emphasizes M, I guess I am confused about what M is really doing. Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? Date: 23 Oct 2001 18:39:33 -0600 Nope, I think it's just a down day on higher volume. At 04:26 PM 10/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >I thought that at least one major market index had to be down 1% (or 2% >depending if the new rules apply to distribution) on heavier vol than >the day before in order for it to be a distribution day. Not that I'm >disputing you; my account definitely distributed some of my wealth >today! > >Tim Fisher >OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online >Tim@OreRockOn.com >http://OreRockOn.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles >Cangialosi >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:14 PM >To: Canslim >Subject: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? > > > > To my untrained eye, today was a distribution day. In fact I >think possibly it is the third, 10/17,10/18,10/23, also I was looking at >some of the good looking break outs and it appears there are a large >number of failures. I am sure that someone is doing great right now, but >I don't really have he experience to do very well in this confusing >market. I am a big believer in CANSLIM but at the moment perhaps there >are some bargains to be had in some beaten down stocks. WON emphasizes >M, I guess I am confused about what M is really doing. > >Charlie > > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 23 Oct 2001 21:39:57 -0500 Looks to me like TARO is forming a C&H with a two week handle. The low point of the handle which was made on 10-18 at a price of 37.80 occurred at the intersection of two Gann angle lines and the 50 day moving average. These are very powerful technical indicators of strong support for the stock at this price level. Price action can often move much higher from these types of support levels. I am a buyer if it moves thru the pivot. By the way the fundies are really good too. E ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Lucero" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? Date: 23 Oct 2001 21:09:43 -0700 It would be distribution if it was unchanged on higher volume, wouldn't it? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:26 PM > I thought that at least one major market index had to be down 1% (or 2% > depending if the new rules apply to distribution) on heavier vol than > the day before in order for it to be a distribution day. Not that I'm > disputing you; my account definitely distributed some of my wealth > today! > > Tim Fisher > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > Tim@OreRockOn.com > http://OreRockOn.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles > Cangialosi > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:14 PM > To: Canslim > Subject: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? > > > > To my untrained eye, today was a distribution day. In fact I > think possibly it is the third, 10/17,10/18,10/23, also I was looking at > some of the good looking break outs and it appears there are a large > number of failures. I am sure that someone is doing great right now, but > I don't really have he experience to do very well in this confusing > market. I am a big believer in CANSLIM but at the moment perhaps there > are some bargains to be had in some beaten down stocks. WON emphasizes > M, I guess I am confused about what M is really doing. > > Charlie > > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? Date: 23 Oct 2001 22:24:07 -0600 Also notice that both the DOW and the S&P500 closed below their 50dma after being above it intraday. The DOW's vol was just at the ADV and the S&P500 was just above it. The Nascomp actually looks a little stronger than the other two indices since it closed for the second day above the 50dma. but it still was a dist day. Definitely resistance at the 50dma. At 06:39 PM 10/23/01 -0600, you wrote: >Nope, I think it's just a down day on higher volume. > >At 04:26 PM 10/23/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I thought that at least one major market index had to be down 1% (or 2% > >depending if the new rules apply to distribution) on heavier vol than > >the day before in order for it to be a distribution day. Not that I'm > >disputing you; my account definitely distributed some of my wealth > >today! > > > >Tim Fisher > >OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > >Tim@OreRockOn.com > >http://OreRockOn.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles > >Cangialosi > >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:14 PM > >To: Canslim > >Subject: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? > > > > > > > > To my untrained eye, today was a distribution day. In fact I > >think possibly it is the third, 10/17,10/18,10/23, also I was looking at > >some of the good looking break outs and it appears there are a large > >number of failures. I am sure that someone is doing great right now, but > >I don't really have he experience to do very well in this confusing > >market. I am a big believer in CANSLIM but at the moment perhaps there > >are some bargains to be had in some beaten down stocks. WON emphasizes > >M, I guess I am confused about what M is really doing. > > > >Charlie > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? Date: 24 Oct 2001 09:00:35 +0200 well I checked IBD Website, they say it is an disstribution day ... (the second ...) > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Mike Lucero [SMTP:m.lucero@verizon.net] > Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2001 06:10 > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? > > It would be distribution if it was unchanged on higher volume, wouldn't it? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Fisher" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:26 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? > > > > I thought that at least one major market index had to be down 1% (or 2% > > depending if the new rules apply to distribution) on heavier vol than > > the day before in order for it to be a distribution day. Not that I'm > > disputing you; my account definitely distributed some of my wealth > > today! > > > > Tim Fisher > > OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > http://OreRockOn.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles > > Cangialosi > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:14 PM > > To: Canslim > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? > > > > > > > > To my untrained eye, today was a distribution day. In fact I > > think possibly it is the third, 10/17,10/18,10/23, also I was looking at > > some of the good looking break outs and it appears there are a large > > number of failures. I am sure that someone is doing great right now, but > > I don't really have he experience to do very well in this confusing > > market. I am a big believer in CANSLIM but at the moment perhaps there > > are some bargains to be had in some beaten down stocks. WON emphasizes > > M, I guess I am confused about what M is really doing. > > > > Charlie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 24 Oct 2001 07:25:05 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C15C5D.01174260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know about the Gann lines, but do agree with the c&h. Fundies = are excellent, earnings forecasted to grow 124% this year to 94 cents, = and thru 3 qtrs it is on track to do that or better. And the forecast = for next year is an addl growth of 57% to $1.48. GRS is strong at 98, = and it sits #3 in this group. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:39 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] TARO Looks to me like TARO is forming a C&H with a two week handle. The low = point of the handle which was made on 10-18 at a price of 37.80 occurred at = the intersection of two Gann angle lines and the 50 day moving average. = These are very powerful technical indicators of strong support for the stock = at this price level. Price action can often move much higher from these = types of support levels. I am a buyer if it moves thru the pivot. By the way the fundies are = really good too. E ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso=20 Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the=20 use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20 If you have received this email in error please notify the=20 sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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I don't know about the Gann lines, but do agree with = the=20 c&h. Fundies are excellent, earnings forecasted to grow 124% this = year to 94=20 cents, and thru 3 qtrs it is on track to do that or better. And the = forecast for=20 next year is an addl growth of 57% to $1.48. GRS is strong at 98, and it = sits #3=20 in this group.
 
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Looks to me like TARO is forming a C&H with a two = week=20 handle. The low point
of the handle which was made on 10-18 at a = price of=20 37.80 occurred at the
intersection of two Gann angle lines and the = 50 day=20 moving average. These
are very powerful technical indicators of = strong=20 support for the stock at
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 24 Oct 2001 05:24:39 -0700 It did not react to earnings at all - interesting. Every stock I have bot or am watching has reacted rather negatively to earnings lately. It is not on my watch list because the high is 49 and the handle is forming at 40,a bit low for my tastes. Not the best C&H , plus the cup is rather deep, as is the case with many cups formed post-9.11. Fundies are great, the forecast is for decreased growth, probably reflects the apathy of analysts rather than reality... At 07:25 AM 10/24/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I don't know about the Gann lines, but do agree with the c&h. Fundies are >excellent, earnings forecasted to grow 124% this year to 94 cents, and >thru 3 qtrs it is on track to do that or better. And the forecast for next >year is an addl growth of 57% to $1.48. GRS is strong at 98, and it sits >#3 in this group. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Hill, Ernie >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:39 PM >>Subject: [CANSLIM] TARO >> >>Looks to me like TARO is forming a C&H with a two week handle. The low point >>of the handle which was made on 10-18 at a price of 37.80 occurred at the >>intersection of two Gann angle lines and the 50 day moving average. These >>are very powerful technical indicators of strong support for the stock at >>this price level. Price action can often move much higher from these types >>of support levels. >> >>I am a buyer if it moves thru the pivot. By the way the fundies are really >>good too. >> >>E >> >> >>****************************************************************** >>This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso >>Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the >>use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >>If you have received this email in error please notify the >>sender. >>****************************************************************** >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >>"majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] Database Scan ... Date: 24 Oct 2001 14:54:13 +0200 Hi, here some research: Breakouts: DKWD CACI FCFS TIER DP DAP FHRX ANH WSH SASR CBT SRZ SONC Stocks to watch (could break): MOVI FCN ANFI DYII TARO ITGR RDY FBC FBA MSCC EPD MHK NDN GTY TCNJ ICBC ILXI KSL DEBS SU BVF Breaks that are overextended, but had nice breakouts CTEC NHHC TSCO AHMH MSA AZO ILUM ICUI AGM FRED ATK BRO MIKE HRH WEG CPRT KEX - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] SRZ Date: 24 Oct 2001 15:00:54 +0200 Please try to shoot some bullets in it, I can not see much that I do not like (besides ROI of 7%) --> EPS RATE 99 RS RATE 91 ROI 7% (not that good) Mgm Holdings 21% Industry Rating A PE 17 (!!!) Shares outstanding 21.9 Mio Technically: Could be a CWH? Handle not that long, good volumne but not really huge price movement ... See you Andreas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 24 Oct 2001 07:57:47 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15C8B.7B277EC0 Content-Type: text/plain I am calling the pivot 42.30. Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance and support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two only to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves itself to have legs. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 AM whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line? hope to hear ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15C8B.7B277EC0 Content-Type: text/html
I am calling the pivot 42.30.
 
Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance and support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two only to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves itself to have legs.
 
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whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line?  hope to hear


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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 24 Oct 2001 07:54:15 -0600 Doesn't it need to form a handle at 48, the old high? It is still down in what I would call a basing area, and any move higher from 40 would not be a breakout from a pivot point, that would have to occur at 48. On 23 Oct 01, at 21:39, Hill, Ernie wrote: > Looks to me like TARO is forming a C&H with a two week handle. The low point > of the handle which was made on 10-18 at a price of 37.80 occurred at the > intersection of two Gann angle lines and the 50 day moving average. These > are very powerful technical indicators of strong support for the stock at > this price level. Price action can often move much higher from these types > of support levels. > > I am a buyer if it moves thru the pivot. By the way the fundies are really > good too. > > E > > > ****************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso > Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the > use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the > sender. > ****************************************************************** > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Nyberg Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SRZ Date: 24 Oct 2001 07:22:59 -0700 (PDT) I've been a lurker here for a couple of years, and a buyer/holder on SRZ (previously SNRZ) for longer. Fun to see a stock I know about show up on the list! Biggest hole is the quality of earnings. Operating side of the business is suffering, overall earnings are held up by gains on sales of filled up and profitable properties. Battle with the shorts (over 6M shorted) is over this issue and the ability of the company to retire the 100M left in converts due middle of next year. I think the converts are a non issue and the ability to realize gains on sales just illustrates the true book value of the 100+ fully-owned properties. If "M" cooperates, I expect a nice breakout and pop going in to earnings Nov 8, but the stock always seems to drop just after earnings as a new set of analysts "discover" the quality of earnings issue when they read the release. -Greg --- Andreas Himmelreich wrote: > Please try to shoot some bullets in it, I can not see much that I do not like > (besides ROI of 7%) --> > > EPS RATE 99 > RS RATE 91 > ROI 7% (not that good) > Mgm Holdings 21% > Industry Rating A > PE 17 (!!!) > Shares outstanding 21.9 Mio > > Technically: Could be a CWH? Handle not that long, good volumne but not > really > huge price movement ... > > See you > > Andreas > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Warren Keuffel Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 24 Oct 2001 08:53:01 -0600 Thanks, Tom, but I have already looked there and can't seem to find it. Will someone who has an actual printed copy of IBD look and see if they can find it? I've looked through the entire "W" section of the main Nasdaq (as well as elsewhere) and do not see it. Warren Tom Worley wrote: > It's full name is West Marine, Inc., and should be in the main Nasdaq > listings as it is NMS (Nat'l Market System). Closed up another point > and a half today on 5X ADV at $15.70 (see, I don't always buy cheap > stocks!). New high, now is extended more than 5%. Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Warren Keuffel > To: CANSLIM list > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:41 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? > I'm sure this is a 52-week high stupid question, but I am > unable to find > WMAR in my IBD. Looked in NYSE, NASDAQ and <$10 tables > under "W"s and > can't find it. Do I need new glasses or what? > > Thanks, > Warren > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rich W" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 24 Oct 2001 11:22:39 -0500 Warren, I found it in the under $10 NASDAQ & NYSE tables, page B11 in Tue's paper, 3rd column from the left. and was in Bold print as it hit new high Mon. Rich - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:25:38 EDT Tim: I haven't read the rest of the Canslim mail yet, but I had to reply. Did you notice that IBD said in today's "The Big Picture" that yesterday was the 2nd day of distribution in the past week. Does that mean that Monday's rise (on relatively small volume) was considered a distribution day? If so, isn't that a new definition of "Distribtution"? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:31:37 EDT In a message dated 10/23/2001 7:25:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tim@orerockon.com writes: << I thought that at least one major market index had to be down 1% (or 2% depending if the new rules apply to distribution) on heavier vol than the day before in order for it to be a distribution day. Not that I'm disputing you; my account definitely distributed some of my wealth today! Tim Fisher >> Tim: In WON's book "24 Lessons..." on page 70 (2nd paragraph from the bottom), WON writes: "Distribution is indicated by the index closing down on increased volume, or a day's attempted advance stalling (very little change in price) on greater volume than the day before." I believe it is FT days that are signified by the stock having to close up 1% (or, now, 2%) on greater volume than the day before. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 24 Oct 2001 13:42:33 EDT In a message dated 10/24/2001 7:26:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << I don't know about the Gann lines, but do agree with the c&h.... >> Tom: I see a nice Handle in the price formation, but there is no dwindling volume. Doesn't that lack of lower volume make the Handle suspect? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Maguire Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 24 Oct 2001 12:06:37 -0700 RE WMAR ....it comes up on tc2000 ok....if that helps .. [name of co.is.. West Marine Best Joe . Warren Keuffel wrote: > Thanks, Tom, but I have already looked there and can't seem to find it. > Will someone who has an actual printed copy of IBD look and see if they > can find it? I've looked through the entire "W" section of the main > Nasdaq (as well as elsewhere) and do not see it. > > Warren > > Tom Worley wrote: > > > It's full name is West Marine, Inc., and should be in the main Nasdaq > > listings as it is NMS (Nat'l Market System). Closed up another point > > and a half today on 5X ADV at $15.70 (see, I don't always buy cheap > > stocks!). New high, now is extended more than 5%. Tom Worley > > stkguru@netside.net > > AIM: TexWorley > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Warren Keuffel > > To: CANSLIM list > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:41 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? > > I'm sure this is a 52-week high stupid question, but I am > > unable to find > > WMAR in my IBD. Looked in NYSE, NASDAQ and <$10 tables > > under "W"s and > > can't find it. Do I need new glasses or what? > > > > Thanks, > > Warren > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Warren Keuffel Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 24 Oct 2001 14:22:55 -0600 Found it! Thanks. But I am confused as to why it is listed as "Under $10" when it is currently at around $15. Maybe it needs to be >$10 for a week or a month before they move it to the main tables. Whatever. Anyway, I appreciate the help. Warren Rich W wrote: > Warren, > I found it in the under $10 NASDAQ & NYSE tables, page B11 in Tue's paper, > 3rd column > from the left. and was in Bold print as it hit new high Mon. > Rich > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 24 Oct 2001 15:41:26 -0500 Hi Patrick On page 165 of HTMMIS WON states that "pivot buy points are not necessarily at the stock's old high". He goes on to say that you can draw a down trend line across certain peak points in a stock's price pattern and begin your purchase as the trend line is broken. Because the handle is forming roughly 20% below the 52wk high I am using $.10 above the right rim as my pivot point. At this price the recent high and the down trend line will both be taken out. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:54 AM Doesn't it need to form a handle at 48, the old high? It is still down in what I would call a basing area, and any move higher from 40 would not be a breakout from a pivot point, that would have to occur at 48. On 23 Oct 01, at 21:39, Hill, Ernie wrote: > Looks to me like TARO is forming a C&H with a two week handle. The low point > of the handle which was made on 10-18 at a price of 37.80 occurred at the > intersection of two Gann angle lines and the 50 day moving average. These > are very powerful technical indicators of strong support for the stock at > this price level. Price action can often move much higher from these types > of support levels. > > I am a buyer if it moves thru the pivot. By the way the fundies are really > good too. > > E > > > ****************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso > Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the > use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the > sender. > ****************************************************************** > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 24 Oct 2001 14:49:48 -0700 (PDT) I think the last time I looked the cheap section is also for low volume stocks even if they are above $10. Kent --- Warren Keuffel wrote: > Found it! Thanks. But I am confused as to why it > is listed as "Under $10" > when it is currently at around $15. Maybe it needs > to be >$10 for a week or a > month before they move it to the main tables. > Whatever. Anyway, I appreciate > the help. > > Warren > > Rich W wrote: > > > Warren, > > I found it in the under $10 NASDAQ & NYSE tables, > page B11 in Tue's paper, > > 3rd column > > from the left. and was in Bold print as it hit new > high Mon. > > Rich > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 24 Oct 2001 18:14:11 EDT --part1_80.1204f728.29089733_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see a downward trend, since July it is making lower hi's and lower lows. I would only consider TARO if it breaks 45. Chris --part1_80.1204f728.29089733_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see a downward trend, since July it is making lower hi's and lower lows. I would only consider TARO if it breaks 45.

Chris --part1_80.1204f728.29089733_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: [CANSLIM] GPI Date: 24 Oct 2001 17:23:40 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C15CB0.9FABF210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.group1auto.com/investor.htm investors.com data: 97 98 ABB Group rank=3D6/197 ADV: 197,500 appreciated 239% YTD! 3 yr earnings growth: 31% 3 yr sales growth: 53% c+h:9+3 ?? volume falling off in the last 3 weeks from Morningstar: ROE: 16.5 shares outstanding: 19+ million fund ownership: 9% (77 funds) From Earnings Whispers: consensus target: $28 reports tomorrow Looks like GPI is mislabeled by IBD as a Retail-Misc. Maybe it should be Automotive-Something? Any thoughts on this one? ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C15CB0.9FABF210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.group1auto.com= /investor.htm

investors.com data:
97 98 ABB
Group=20 rank=3D6/197
ADV: 197,500
appreciated 239% YTD!
3 yr earnings = growth:=20 31%
3 yr sales growth: 53%
c+h:9+3 ??
volume falling off in the = last 3=20 weeks

from Morningstar:
ROE: = 16.5
shares=20 outstanding: 19+ million
fund ownership: 9% (77 funds)

From Earnings Whispers:
consensus target:=20 $28

reports tomorrow

Looks like GPI is mislabeled by IBD = as a=20 Retail-Misc.  Maybe it should
be = Automotive-Something?

Any=20 thoughts on this one?




------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C15CB0.9FABF210-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 24 Oct 2001 19:40:01 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C15CC3.AC3028E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only means the handle portion of the formation may not yet be complete = and ready for a breakout. Then again, since it is forming this below its = old high, may just mean there is a lot of buying interest. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Spencer48@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO In a message dated 10/24/2001 7:26:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 stkguru@netside.net writes: << I don't know about the Gann lines, but do agree with the c&h.... >> Tom: I see a nice Handle in the price formation, but there is no = dwindling=20 volume. Doesn't that lack of lower volume make the Handle suspect? jans =20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C15CC3.AC3028E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Only means the handle portion of the formation may = not yet be=20 complete and ready for a breakout. Then again, since it is forming = this=20 below its old high, may just mean there is a lot of buying=20 interest.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Spencer48@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, = 2001 1:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

In a message dated 10/24/2001 7:26:44 AM Eastern = Daylight Time,=20
stkguru@netside.net=20 writes:

<< I don't know about the Gann lines, but do = agree with=20 the c&h.... >>

Tom:

     I = see a=20 nice Handle in the price formation, but there is no dwindling=20
volume.  Doesn't that lack of lower volume make the Handle=20 suspect?

jans 

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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C15CC3.AC3028E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 24 Oct 2001 19:46:37 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C15CC4.97F75A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That still makes no sense. This stock has closed over $10 since 10/2, = and has traded over $10 since 10/4. And ADV is 297,100 according to DGO. = I think IBD is just making another mistake. Maybe it's only updated monthly, so you don't have to search for stocks = that keep bouncing over and under $10? Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kent Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? I think the last time I looked the cheap section is also for low volume stocks even if they are above $10. Kent --- Warren Keuffel wrote: > Found it! Thanks. But I am confused as to why it > is listed as "Under $10" > when it is currently at around $15. Maybe it needs > to be >$10 for a week or a > month before they move it to the main tables.=20 > Whatever. Anyway, I appreciate > the help. >=20 > Warren >=20 > Rich W wrote: >=20 > > Warren, > > I found it in the under $10 NASDAQ & NYSE tables, > page B11 in Tue's paper, > > 3rd column > > from the left. and was in Bold print as it hit new > high Mon. > > Rich > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. >=20 >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C15CC4.97F75A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That still makes no sense. This stock has closed = over $10=20 since 10/2, and has traded over $10 since 10/4. And ADV is 297,100 = according to=20 DGO. I think IBD is just making another mistake.
 
Maybe it's only updated monthly, so you don't have = to search=20 for stocks that keep bouncing over and under $10?
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kent=20 Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, = 2001 5:49=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to = find=20 WMAR?

I think the last time I looked the cheap section = is
also for=20 low volume stocks even if they are above $10.

Kent

--- = Warren=20 Keuffel <wkeuffel@xmission.com>=20 wrote:
> Found it!  Thanks.  But I am confused as to = why=20 it
> is listed as "Under $10"
> when it is currently at = around=20 $15.  Maybe it needs
> to be >$10 for a week or = a
> month=20 before they move it to the main tables.
> Whatever.  = Anyway, I=20 appreciate
> the help.
>
> Warren
>
> = Rich W=20 wrote:
>
> > Warren,
> > I found it in the = under $10=20 NASDAQ & NYSE tables,
> page B11 in Tue's paper,
> = > 3rd=20 column
> > from the left. and was in Bold print as it hit = new
>=20 high Mon.
> > Rich
> >
> > -
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------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C15CC4.97F75A00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] GPI Date: 24 Oct 2001 19:56:57 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C15CC6.098CFFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Norman, My only thought is that I am already seeing reports that auto sales in = 2002 will be down considerably from 2001. There seems to be some = thinking that dealerships are cannibalizing next year's sales with all = the deals and no interest loans to keep business moving now, when = unemployment and a weak economy would otherwise be slowing their = business (not to mention the 9/11 attack). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] GPI http://www.group1auto.com/investor.htm investors.com data: 97 98 ABB Group rank=3D6/197 ADV: 197,500 appreciated 239% YTD! 3 yr earnings growth: 31% 3 yr sales growth: 53% c+h:9+3 ?? volume falling off in the last 3 weeks from Morningstar: ROE: 16.5 shares outstanding: 19+ million fund ownership: 9% (77 funds) From Earnings Whispers: consensus target: $28 reports tomorrow Looks like GPI is mislabeled by IBD as a Retail-Misc. Maybe it should be Automotive-Something? Any thoughts on this one? ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C15CC6.098CFFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Norman,
 
My only thought is that I am already seeing reports = that auto=20 sales in 2002 will be down considerably from 2001. There seems to be = some=20 thinking that dealerships are cannibalizing next year's sales with all = the deals=20 and no interest loans to keep business moving now, when unemployment and = a weak=20 economy would otherwise be slowing their business (not to mention the = 9/11=20 attack).
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, = 2001 6:23=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] GPI

http://www.group1auto.com= /investor.htm

investors.com data:
97 98 ABB
Group=20 rank=3D6/197
ADV: 197,500
appreciated 239% YTD!
3 yr earnings = growth:=20 31%
3 yr sales growth: 53%
c+h:9+3 ??
volume falling off in = the last=20 3 weeks

from Morningstar:
ROE:=20 16.5
shares outstanding: 19+ million
fund ownership: 9% (77=20 funds)

From Earnings = Whispers:
consensus=20 target: $28

reports tomorrow

Looks like GPI is = mislabeled by IBD=20 as a Retail-Misc.  Maybe it should
be = Automotive-Something?

Any=20 thoughts on this one?




------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C15CC6.098CFFC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? Date: 24 Oct 2001 18:57:14 -0600 OK, a quick check of the 26 lessons on investing netted this definition: "In general, distribution is indicated by the index closing down or stalling on greater volume than the day before. " So you could count a day with little price progress on high volume as a distribution day. At 09:09 PM 10/23/01 -0700, you wrote: >It would be distribution if it was unchanged on higher volume, wouldn't it? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Fisher" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:26 PM >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? > > >> I thought that at least one major market index had to be down 1% (or 2% >> depending if the new rules apply to distribution) on heavier vol than >> the day before in order for it to be a distribution day. Not that I'm >> disputing you; my account definitely distributed some of my wealth >> today! >> >> Tim Fisher >> OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online >> Tim@OreRockOn.com >> http://OreRockOn.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Charles >> Cangialosi >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:14 PM >> To: Canslim >> Subject: [CANSLIM] Distribution Day? >> >> >> >> To my untrained eye, today was a distribution day. In fact I >> think possibly it is the third, 10/17,10/18,10/23, also I was looking at >> some of the good looking break outs and it appears there are a large >> number of failures. I am sure that someone is doing great right now, but >> I don't really have he experience to do very well in this confusing >> market. I am a big believer in CANSLIM but at the moment perhaps there >> are some bargains to be had in some beaten down stocks. WON emphasizes >> M, I guess I am confused about what M is really doing. >> >> Charlie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SRZ Date: 24 Oct 2001 19:03:32 -0600 You want some bullets, no problem! (Very few perfect stocks out there!!) One thing that bothered me on this one is the anaylst estimates. They show 77% growth in 2001, but only 15% in 2002. They also both show they have been revised down from earlier estimates, not the trend an investor wants to see. ROE also shows as only 7%. (Now that my gun is empty...) Overall, I felt that this one looked pretty good, but I also feel "M" is a little suspect right now, and I'm hanging onto my present 2 positions, but taking a very skeptical look at new purchases for the moment. At 03:00 PM 10/24/01 +0200, you wrote: >Please try to shoot some bullets in it, I can not see much that I do not like (besides ROI of 7%) --> > >EPS RATE 99 >RS RATE 91 >ROI 7% (not that good) >Mgm Holdings 21% >Industry Rating A >PE 17 (!!!) >Shares outstanding 21.9 Mio > >Technically: Could be a CWH? Handle not that long, good volumne but not really >huge price movement ... > >See you > >Andreas > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 24 Oct 2001 19:07:13 -0600 I'm not sure where you got 48, but WON says a buyable handle can form at any point of the right side of the cup, as long as the handle is at least 50% of the way up (from the low to the previous high). This one looks to me to be just above the 50% point, so it would be buyable. I also feel this is low for my personal tastes so I'll watch it and hope for a higher handle on the way up. At 07:54 AM 10/24/01 -0600, you wrote: >Doesn't it need to form a handle at 48, the old high? It is still down >in what I would call a basing area, and any move higher from 40 >would not be a breakout from a pivot point, that would have to occur >at 48. > >On 23 Oct 01, at 21:39, Hill, Ernie wrote: > >> Looks to me like TARO is forming a C&H with a two week handle. The low point >> of the handle which was made on 10-18 at a price of 37.80 occurred at the >> intersection of two Gann angle lines and the 50 day moving average. These >> are very powerful technical indicators of strong support for the stock at >> this price level. Price action can often move much higher from these types >> of support levels. >> >> I am a buyer if it moves thru the pivot. By the way the fundies are really >> good too. >> >> E >> >> >> ****************************************************************** >> This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso >> Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the >> use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >> If you have received this email in error please notify the >> sender. >> ****************************************************************** >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 24 Oct 2001 19:19:30 -0600 OK, I found it in today's paper (10/24). It is in the Stocks Under $10 section (based on recent prices I assume), and can be found on page B11, column 5, the 5th stock under the add. It is called WstMarn. At 08:53 AM 10/24/01 -0600, you wrote: >Thanks, Tom, but I have already looked there and can't seem to find it. >Will someone who has an actual printed copy of IBD look and see if they >can find it? I've looked through the entire "W" section of the main >Nasdaq (as well as elsewhere) and do not see it. > >Warren > >Tom Worley wrote: > >> It's full name is West Marine, Inc., and should be in the main Nasdaq >> listings as it is NMS (Nat'l Market System). Closed up another point >> and a half today on 5X ADV at $15.70 (see, I don't always buy cheap >> stocks!). New high, now is extended more than 5%. Tom Worley >> stkguru@netside.net >> AIM: TexWorley >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Warren Keuffel >> To: CANSLIM list >> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 2:41 PM >> Subject: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? >> I'm sure this is a 52-week high stupid question, but I am >> unable to find >> WMAR in my IBD. Looked in NYSE, NASDAQ and <$10 tables >> under "W"s and >> can't find it. Do I need new glasses or what? >> >> Thanks, >> Warren >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:18:19 +0700 As I recall, the lows of the handle should be in the upper half of the cup. On TARO the lows of the handle are below this mid point of 38.6955. Peter At 07:07 PM 10/24/2001 -0600, you wrote: >I'm not sure where you got 48, but WON says a buyable handle can form at >any point of the right side of the cup, as long as the handle is at least >50% of the way up (from the low to the previous high). This one looks to >me to be just above the 50% point, so it would be buyable. I also feel >this is low for my personal tastes so I'll watch it and hope for a higher >handle on the way up. > > >At 07:54 AM 10/24/01 -0600, you wrote: > >Doesn't it need to form a handle at 48, the old high? It is still down > >in what I would call a basing area, and any move higher from 40 > >would not be a breakout from a pivot point, that would have to occur > >at 48. > > > >On 23 Oct 01, at 21:39, Hill, Ernie wrote: > > > >> Looks to me like TARO is forming a C&H with a two week handle. The low >point > >> of the handle which was made on 10-18 at a price of 37.80 occurred at the > >> intersection of two Gann angle lines and the 50 day moving average. These > >> are very powerful technical indicators of strong support for the stock at > >> this price level. Price action can often move much higher from these types > >> of support levels. > >> > >> I am a buyer if it moves thru the pivot. By the way the fundies are really > >> good too. > >> > >> E > >> > >> > >> ****************************************************************** > >> This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso > >> Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the > >> use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > >> If you have received this email in error please notify the > >> sender. > >> ****************************************************************** > >> > >> - > >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 24 Oct 2001 19:31:20 -0600 My memory was vague on this point, so I re-checked HTMMIS and it only says the handle should be in the upper 50%. It doesn't define if that's the midpoint or the bottom of the handle, so I give this one the benefit of the doubt (although, again, I'm not a buyer from this handle). At 08:18 AM 10/25/01 +0700, you wrote: >As I recall, the lows of the handle should be in the upper half of the >cup. On TARO the lows of the handle are below this mid point of 38.6955. > >Peter > >At 07:07 PM 10/24/2001 -0600, you wrote: >>I'm not sure where you got 48, but WON says a buyable handle can form at >>any point of the right side of the cup, as long as the handle is at least >>50% of the way up (from the low to the previous high). This one looks to >>me to be just above the 50% point, so it would be buyable. I also feel >>this is low for my personal tastes so I'll watch it and hope for a higher >>handle on the way up. >> >> >>At 07:54 AM 10/24/01 -0600, you wrote: >> >Doesn't it need to form a handle at 48, the old high? It is still down >> >in what I would call a basing area, and any move higher from 40 >> >would not be a breakout from a pivot point, that would have to occur >> >at 48. >> > >> >On 23 Oct 01, at 21:39, Hill, Ernie wrote: >> > >> >> Looks to me like TARO is forming a C&H with a two week handle. The low >>point >> >> of the handle which was made on 10-18 at a price of 37.80 occurred at the >> >> intersection of two Gann angle lines and the 50 day moving average. These >> >> are very powerful technical indicators of strong support for the stock at >> >> this price level. Price action can often move much higher from these types >> >> of support levels. >> >> >> >> I am a buyer if it moves thru the pivot. By the way the fundies are really >> >> good too. >> >> >> >> E >> >> >> >> >> >> ****************************************************************** >> >> This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso >> >> Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the >> >> use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >> >> If you have received this email in error please notify the >> >> sender. >> >> ****************************************************************** >> >> >> >> - >> >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > >> > >> > >> >- >> >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> > >> > >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 24 Oct 2001 19:31:36 -0600 I didn't think you took the paper Tom? Anyway, the note in the paper says, "Stocks under $10 or with an average daily volume unde 20,000 shares;list updated first week of each month." I guess it was still under $10 when they did the update for the month. At 07:46 PM 10/24/01 -0400, you wrote: > That still makes no sense. This stock has closed over $10 since 10/2, >and has traded over $10 since 10/4. And ADV is 297,100 according to DGO. I >think IBD is just making another mistake. Maybe it's only updated >monthly, so you don't have to search for stocks that keep bouncing over >and under $10? Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Norman To: >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:49 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? >I think the last time I looked the cheap section is >also for low volume stocks even if they are above $10. > >Kent > > wrote: >> But I am confused as to why it >> is listed as "Under $10" >> Maybe it needs >>>$10 for a week or a >> month before they move it to the main tables. >> Anyway, I appreciate >> the help. >> >> Warren >> >> Rich W wrote: >> >>> Warren, >>>& NYSE tables, >> page B11 in Tue's paper, >>> 3rd column >>> from the left. and was in Bold print as it hit new >> high Mon. >>> Rich >>> >>> - >>> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >>> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>> Do not use quotes in your >> email. >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> Do not use quotes in your >email. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:32:05 +0700 Anyone watch The Traders on webfn.com last Thursday (you can also watch the archive)? Goran Yordanoff was talking about the distribution and insider selling he had been seeing in ADVP over the last two weeks. He started selling it short the week before the breakout. On the day of the breakout, even though he was frightened, he doubled up on his short position. He said if you are going to be a professional, you have to take a contrarian viewpoint. He said the trend followers, are amateur traders. I would guess that includes canslimers. Any thoughts? Anyone else see anything wrong with ADVP at the time of the breakout? I didn't buy it, but thought the breakout looked pretty decent. Peter "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 24 Oct 2001 22:45:01 -0600 No, but - is this a freebie, or a subscription deal? I read a column or two of Yardanoff's at tradingmarkets.com before I let my subscription lapse, he seemed to be very good, and a very good writer to boot (I heard that he is no longer at tradingmarkets, they seem to lose most of their good columnists). I looked at a chart of ADVP just now with a couple of different money flow indicators on it, there is certainly no obvious signs of distribution to my untrained eye. I would disagree with him that trend followers are all amatuers, Dave Landry and Jeff Cooper all go with the trend, although they have different entry methods than canslimmers do. I have become much more wary of breakouts than I used to be, they do seem to have a high failure rate. On 25 Oct 01, at 8:32, Peter Christiansen wrote: > Anyone watch The Traders on webfn.com last Thursday (you can also watch the > archive)? Goran Yordanoff was talking about the distribution and insider > selling he had been seeing in ADVP over the last two weeks. He started > selling it short the week before the breakout. On the day of the breakout, > even though he was frightened, he doubled up on his short position. He > said if you are going to be a professional, you have to take a contrarian > viewpoint. He said the trend followers, are amateur traders. I would > guess that includes canslimers. > > Any thoughts? Anyone else see anything wrong with ADVP at the time of the > breakout? I didn't buy it, but thought the breakout looked pretty decent. > > Peter > > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 25 Oct 2001 12:09:03 +0700 Webfn.com is free. It is a 24 hour streaming financial news site. Every Thursday, at 4:30 I think, they have the program Dr. J and the Traders. This is hosted by Dr. Jon Najarian. Goran is a frequent and VERY opinionated guest. There are archives of the show; do a search on "Dr. J". I really enjoy the program. The one where Goran came on dressed as the Grim Reaper was absolutely hilarious. You are right about Trading Markets losing their best columnists. Goran hasn't written for them in a while, but I never saw any mention of his leaving. I couldn't find much in the way of distribution either. I know Goran is into candlestick charting. Maybe it shows up there? I haven't studied candlesticks, so I don't know what to look for. Agree on the breakout failures. I don't think this market is ready yet. It is certainly not conducive to breakout plays. Peter At 10:45 PM 10/24/2001 -0600, you wrote: >No, but - is this a freebie, or a subscription deal? I read a column >or two of Yardanoff's at tradingmarkets.com before I let my >subscription lapse, he seemed to be very good, and a very good >writer to boot (I heard that he is no longer at tradingmarkets, they >seem to lose most of their good columnists). > >I looked at a chart of ADVP just now with a couple of different >money flow indicators on it, there is certainly no obvious signs of >distribution to my untrained eye. > >I would disagree with him that trend followers are all amatuers, >Dave Landry and Jeff Cooper all go with the trend, although they >have different entry methods than canslimmers do. I have become >much more wary of breakouts than I used to be, they do seem to >have a high failure rate. > >On 25 Oct 01, at 8:32, Peter Christiansen wrote: > > > Anyone watch The Traders on webfn.com last Thursday (you can also watch > the > > archive)? Goran Yordanoff was talking about the distribution and insider > > selling he had been seeing in ADVP over the last two weeks. He started > > selling it short the week before the breakout. On the day of the > breakout, > > even though he was frightened, he doubled up on his short position. He > > said if you are going to be a professional, you have to take a contrarian > > viewpoint. He said the trend followers, are amateur traders. I would > > guess that includes canslimers. > > > > Any thoughts? Anyone else see anything wrong with ADVP at the time of the > > breakout? I didn't buy it, but thought the breakout looked pretty decent. > > > > Peter > > > > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: [CANSLIM] more Goran Date: 25 Oct 2001 12:23:59 +0700 I just discovered Goran is writing a column titled The Sniper's Crosshairs
at www.beyondthebull.com


Peter


"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon
- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 25 Oct 2001 12:07:48 +0200 Well the thing is, there might be some contrarians out there who make money, but like value investors there are not that many who really make money. Its much more easy to go with the trend ... Lets face it: ADVP was not really a good breakout, I can not see a pattern ... And: checking insider behaiviour is part of Canslim (since it is a critera to buy it in the first place, you want to also check how the insiders behaive ...) > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Peter Christiansen [SMTP:peterc@loxinfo.co.th] > Gesendet am: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:32 AM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP > > Anyone watch The Traders on webfn.com last Thursday (you can also watch the > archive)? Goran Yordanoff was talking about the distribution and insider > selling he had been seeing in ADVP over the last two weeks. He started > selling it short the week before the breakout. On the day of the breakout, > even though he was frightened, he doubled up on his short position. He > said if you are going to be a professional, you have to take a contrarian > viewpoint. He said the trend followers, are amateur traders. I would > guess that includes canslimers. > > Any thoughts? Anyone else see anything wrong with ADVP at the time of the > breakout? I didn't buy it, but thought the breakout looked pretty decent. > > Peter > > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? Date: 25 Oct 2001 06:34:32 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C15D1F.1B705300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't take the paper, just good at guessing and deductive reasoning. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: esetser=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? I didn't think you took the paper Tom? Anyway, the note in the paper = says, "Stocks under $10 or with an average daily volume unde 20,000 = shares;list updated first week of each month." I guess it was still under $10 = when they did the update for the month. At 07:46 PM 10/24/01 -0400, you wrote: > That still makes no sense. This stock has closed over $10 since = 10/2, >and has traded over $10 since 10/4. And ADV is 297,100 according to = DGO. I >think IBD is just making another mistake. Maybe it's only updated >monthly, so you don't have to search for stocks that keep bouncing = over >and under $10? Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Norman To: >canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:49 = PM=20 > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find WMAR? =20 >I think the last time I looked the cheap section is >also for low volume stocks even if they are above $10. > >Kent > > wrote: >> But I am confused as to why it >> is listed as "Under $10" >> Maybe it needs >>>$10 for a week or a >> month before they move it to the main tables.=20 >> Anyway, I appreciate >> the help. >>=20 >> Warren >>=20 >> Rich W wrote: >>=20 >>> Warren, >>>& NYSE tables, >> page B11 in Tue's paper, >>> 3rd column >>> from the left. and was in Bold print as it hit new >> high Mon. >>> Rich >>> >>> - >>> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >>> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>> Do not use quotes in your >> email. >>=20 >> =20 >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> Do not use quotes in your >email. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make a great connection at Yahoo! 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I don't take the paper, just good at guessing and = deductive=20 reasoning.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 esetser
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, = 2001 9:31=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Where to = find=20 WMAR?

I didn't think you took the paper Tom?  Anyway, = the note=20 in the paper says,
"Stocks under $10 or with an average daily = volume unde=20 20,000 shares;list
updated first week of each month."  I guess = it was=20 still under $10 when
they did the update for the month.

At = 07:46 PM=20 10/24/01 -0400, you wrote:
>   That still makes no = sense. This=20 stock has closed over $10  since 10/2,
>and has traded over = $10=20 since 10/4. And ADV is 297,100 according to  DGO. I
>think = IBD is=20 just making another mistake.   Maybe it's only=20 updated
>monthly, so you don't have to search  for stocks = that keep=20 bouncing over
>and under $10?   Tom Worley
>stkguru@netside.net
>AIM:&n= bsp;=20 TexWorley
>    ----- Original Message=20 -----    From:    Kent    = Norman    To:
>canslim@lists.xmission.com=    =20 Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:49    PM
> = Re: [CANSLIM] Where to find    WMAR?   =
>I=20 think the last time I looked the cheap section is
>also=20 for    low volume stocks even if they are above=20 $10.
>
>Kent
>
><wkeuffel@xmission.com> =   =20 wrote:
>>   But I am confused as to = why   =20 it
>> is listed as "Under $10"
>>  Maybe it=20 needs
>>>$10 for a week or a
>> = month   =20 before they move it to the main tables.
>>  Anyway,=20 I    appreciate
>> the help.
>> =
>>=20 Warren
>>
>> Rich W    = wrote:
>>=20
>>> Warren,
>>>& NYSE tables,
>> = page=20 B11 in Tue's paper,
>>> 3rd   =20 column
>>> from the left. and was in Bold print as it hit=20 new
>>    high Mon.
>>>=20 Rich
>>>
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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C15D1F.1B705300-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 25 Oct 2001 18:21:21 +0700 You don't see a six week cup and handle starting on 8/31? I do. Volume dried up nicely in the handle as well. I think the breakout was mentioned in IBD too. Specifically, what do you see wrong with the pattern? While I believe it is a good idea to look at insider buying and selling (placing weight on buying), I don't believe it was ever mentioned by WON as a CANSLIM criteria. If it was, I sure can't find it in the book. Peter At 12:07 PM 10/25/2001 +0200, Andreas Himmelreich wrote: >Well the thing is, there might be some contrarians out there who make >money, but like value investors there are not >that many who really make money. > >Its much more easy to go with the trend ... Lets face it: ADVP was not >really a good breakout, I can not see a pattern ... > >And: checking insider behaiviour is part of Canslim (since it is a critera >to buy it in the first place, you want to also check >how the insiders behaive ...) > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Peter Christiansen [SMTP:peterc@loxinfo.co.th] > > Gesendet am: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:32 AM > > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Betreff: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP > > > > Anyone watch The Traders on webfn.com last Thursday (you can also watch > the > > archive)? Goran Yordanoff was talking about the distribution and insider > > selling he had been seeing in ADVP over the last two weeks. He started > > selling it short the week before the breakout. On the day of the > breakout, > > even though he was frightened, he doubled up on his short position. He > > said if you are going to be a professional, you have to take a contrarian > > viewpoint. He said the trend followers, are amateur traders. I would > > guess that includes canslimers. > > > > Any thoughts? Anyone else see anything wrong with ADVP at the time of the > > breakout? I didn't buy it, but thought the breakout looked pretty decent. > > > > Peter > > > > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] CWH Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:39:03 -0400 When WON wrote HTMMIS I don't think he took into consideration the events of September 11th. As I look at charts I am starting to have the feeling that I should just eliminate everything between Sept. 11 and about Sept. 28. So many stocks look like they have a CWH when possibly the drop was only the market falling apart. Any thoughts? Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CWH Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:58:56 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C15D33.475BD340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Charlie, CANSLIM allows for major events that move markets in a big way without = regard to fundamentals, momentum or economics. An event such as the = attack on America can help more clearly identify the true leaders, the = strongest of stocks, that can quickly recover based on their continuing = fundamentals in a changed world. There were also many defense or safety = oriented stocks / groups that also benefited as the spotlight focused on = them. Many will not actually benefit in terms of new business, and are = just riding the wave of association. Some may benefit, only time will = tell. I am watching TASR right now because one airline is going to offer = taser training to its flight crews. If many airlines do this, it means a = lot of new business. If not, the stock collapses as this expectation is = eliminated. I think how stocks, and investors in them, responded after we resumed = trading on 9/17 is very important and should not be ignored. Rather, it = should be understood in light of events, and company fundamentals and = business potential. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charles Cangialosi=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:39 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] CWH When WON wrote HTMMIS I don't think he took into consideration the = events of September 11th. As I look at charts I am starting to have the = feeling that I should just eliminate everything between Sept. 11 and about = Sept. 28. So many stocks look like they have a CWH when possibly the drop was = only the market falling apart. Any thoughts? Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C15D33.475BD340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Charlie,
 
CANSLIM allows for major events that move markets in = a big way=20 without regard to fundamentals, momentum or economics. An event such as = the=20 attack on America can help more clearly identify the true leaders, the = strongest=20 of stocks, that can quickly recover based on their continuing = fundamentals in a=20 changed world. There were also many defense or safety oriented stocks / = groups=20 that also benefited as the spotlight focused on them. Many will not = actually=20 benefit in terms of new business, and are just riding the wave of = association.=20 Some may benefit, only time will tell. I am watching TASR right now = because one=20 airline is going to offer taser training to its flight crews. If many = airlines=20 do this, it means a lot of new business. If not, the stock collapses as = this=20 expectation is eliminated.
 
I think how stocks, and investors in them, responded = after we=20 resumed trading on 9/17 is very important and should not be ignored. = Rather, it=20 should be understood in light of events, and company fundamentals and = business=20 potential.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Charles=20 Cangialosi
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 25, = 2001 8:39=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] CWH





When WON wrote HTMMIS I don't think he = took=20 into consideration the events
of September 11th. As I look at = charts I am=20 starting to have the feeling
that I should just eliminate = everything=20 between Sept. 11 and about Sept. 28.
So many stocks look like they = have a=20 CWH when possibly the drop was only the
market falling = apart.
Any=20 thoughts?

Charlie




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------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C15D33.475BD340-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: AW: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 25 Oct 2001 15:19:03 +0200 Pattern: Now I can see the pattern you are refering to. I think it is to short (6 weeks) and the handle has no shakeout nor a downtrend (actually the handle has an uptrend). "A proper cup with handle must take at least seven or eight weeks ... Otherwise, it may be unsound and fail after its breakout. Some bases may actually be three, six or as many as fifteen months in duration .... Handles can be a short (one or two weeks), or a number of weeks long, and need to drift downward along their price lows or have a shakeout (break below a prior week's low in the handle" 24 Lessons ... Page 47" The word "least" in my point: My interpretation is, that the longer a base the better. Insider: I can not find it in the books, but the following link might have leaded me to this conclusion (which might not be right) http://ideas.money.iwon.com/stocks/guruanalysisdetailed.asp?ticker=ADVP& gurupage=oneil#anchor15 INSIDER OWNERSHIP: [PASS] Companies with the best prospects have strong insider ownership, which we define as 15% or more. When there is strong insider ownership, management is more likely to act in the best interest of the company, as their interests are right in line with that of the shareholders. Insiders own 28.00% of ADVP's stock. Management's representation is large enough and passes this test. The actuall insider selling number for ADVP is: 2,812,287 Shares (in the latest month reported to the sec). > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Peter Christiansen [SMTP:peterc@loxinfo.co.th] > Gesendet am: Thursday, October 25, 2001 1:21 PM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com; 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Betreff: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP > > You don't see a six week cup and handle starting on 8/31? I do. Volume > dried up nicely in the handle as well. I think the breakout was mentioned > in IBD too. Specifically, what do you see wrong with the pattern? > > While I believe it is a good idea to look at insider buying and selling > (placing weight on buying), I don't believe it was ever mentioned by WON as > a CANSLIM criteria. If it was, I sure can't find it in the book. > > Peter > > At 12:07 PM 10/25/2001 +0200, Andreas Himmelreich wrote: > >Well the thing is, there might be some contrarians out there who make > >money, but like value investors there are not > >that many who really make money. > > > >Its much more easy to go with the trend ... Lets face it: ADVP was not > >really a good breakout, I can not see a pattern ... > > > >And: checking insider behaiviour is part of Canslim (since it is a critera > >to buy it in the first place, you want to also check > >how the insiders behaive ...) > > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: Peter Christiansen [SMTP:peterc@loxinfo.co.th] > > > Gesendet am: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:32 AM > > > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > Betreff: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP > > > > > > Anyone watch The Traders on webfn.com last Thursday (you can also watch > > the > > > archive)? Goran Yordanoff was talking about the distribution and insider > > > selling he had been seeing in ADVP over the last two weeks. He started > > > selling it short the week before the breakout. On the day of the > > breakout, > > > even though he was frightened, he doubled up on his short position. He > > > said if you are going to be a professional, you have to take a contrarian > > > viewpoint. He said the trend followers, are amateur traders. I would > > > guess that includes canslimers. > > > > > > Any thoughts? Anyone else see anything wrong with ADVP at the time of the > > > breakout? I didn't buy it, but thought the breakout looked pretty decent. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: AW: AW: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 25 Oct 2001 20:26:26 +0700 I wouldn't call it a wedging handle, but a shakeout would have been nice. Agree, the longer the better, concerning bases. I think WON has said they can be as short as 5 weeks. I believe I heard this at one of his advanced investment workshops. Peter At 03:19 PM 10/25/2001 +0200, you wrote: >Pattern: > >Now I can see the pattern you are refering to. >I think it is to short (6 weeks) and the handle has no shakeout nor a >downtrend (actually the handle has an uptrend). > >"A proper cup with handle must take at least seven or eight weeks ... >Otherwise, it may be unsound and fail after its breakout. Some bases may >actually be three, six or as many as fifteen months in duration .... >Handles can be a short (one or two weeks), or a number of weeks long, and >need to drift downward along their price lows or have a shakeout (break >below a prior week's low in the handle" 24 Lessons ... Page 47" > >The word "least" in my point: My interpretation is, that the longer a base >the better. > >Insider: > >I can not find it in the books, but the following link might have leaded me >to this conclusion (which might not be right) > >http://ideas.money.iwon.com/stocks/guruanalysisdetailed.asp?ticker=ADVP& >gurupage=oneil#anchor15 > >INSIDER OWNERSHIP: [PASS] > >Companies with the best prospects have strong insider ownership, which we >define as 15% or more. When there is strong insider ownership, management >is more likely to act in the best interest of the company, as their >interests are right in line with that of the shareholders. Insiders own >28.00% of ADVP's stock. Management's representation is large enough and >passes this test. > >The actuall insider selling number for ADVP is: 2,812,287 Shares (in the >latest month reported to the sec). > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: [CANSLIM] Non-Canslim: more Goran Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:20:17 -0600 --=====================_42009175==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for posting this. I've been wondering if he was writing still. He was definitely one of the more entertaining and thought provoking writers at TM. I think it sucks that they bring excellent writers like that on board with fanfare then they disappear with no explanation. Kevin Marder and Greg Kuhn were the first to go then Jeff Cooper and Loren Fleckenstein. If it wasnt for Dave Landry and Mark Boucher and a new course on Bear Markets I'd stop subscribing. They're raising the monthly rate from 15 to 25 and early next year I think the yearly rate will go up. Apparantly they were'nt taking in enough money to pay those guys. If Boucher goes I'll cancel. I could always sign up for his newsletter. Najarian said last week on his show that Goran is starting a site called thetradingmachine.com. I went to it but it's under construction. At 12:23 PM 10/25/01 +0700, you wrote: >I just discovered Goran is writing a column titled The Sniper's Crosshairs >at www.beyondthebull.com > > >Peter > > >"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon >- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email >body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use >quotes in your email. --=====================_42009175==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for posting this. I've been wondering if he was writing still. He was definitely one of the more entertaining and thought provoking writers at TM. I think it sucks that they bring excellent writers like that on board with fanfare then they disappear with no explanation. Kevin Marder and Greg Kuhn were the first to go then Jeff Cooper and Loren Fleckenstein. If it wasnt for Dave Landry and Mark Boucher and a new course on Bear Markets I'd stop subscribing. They're raising the monthly rate from 15 to 25 and early next year I think the yearly rate will go up. Apparantly they were'nt taking in enough money to pay those guys. If Boucher goes I'll cancel. I could always sign up for his newsletter.

Najarian said last week on his show that Goran is starting a site called thetradingmachine.com. I went to it but it's under construction.

At 12:23 PM 10/25/01 +0700, you wrote:
I just discovered Goran is writing a column titled The Sniper's Crosshairs
at www.beyondthebull.com


Peter


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--=====================_42009175==_.ALT-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Non-Canslim: more Goran Date: 25 Oct 2001 08:42:28 -0600 If you go to http://www.hardrightedge.com/trader.htm you will find a Dave Landry column at the bottom of the page. I don't know if it is the same column he writes at TM, but its free, he has a few stock ideas each day. On 25 Oct 01, at 8:20, DougC wrote: > Thanks for posting this. I've been wondering if he was writing still. He > was definitely one of the more entertaining and thought provoking writers > at TM. I think it sucks that they bring excellent writers like that on > board with fanfare then they disappear with no explanation. Kevin Marder > and Greg Kuhn were the first to go then Jeff Cooper and Loren Fleckenstein. > If it wasnt for Dave Landry and Mark Boucher and a new course on Bear > Markets I'd stop subscribing. They're raising the monthly rate from 15 to > 25 and early next year I think the yearly rate will go up. Apparantly they > were'nt taking in enough money to pay those guys. If Boucher goes I'll > cancel. I could always sign up for his newsletter. > > Najarian said last week on his show that Goran is starting a site called > thetradingmachine.com. I went to it but it's under construction. > > At 12:23 PM 10/25/01 +0700, you wrote: > >I just discovered Goran is writing a column titled The Sniper's Crosshairs > >at www.beyondthebull.com > > > > > >Peter > > > > > >"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > >- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email > >body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use > >quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Warren Keuffel Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CWH Date: 25 Oct 2001 09:40:19 -0600 That's what I have been doing. Not that I'm any expert, but I do know enough about statistical theory to throw out outliers (extreme data points), which is what 9-11 is, to me. Warren Charles Cangialosi wrote: > When WON wrote HTMMIS I don't think he took into consideration the events > of September 11th. As I look at charts I am starting to have the feeling > that I should just eliminate everything between Sept. 11 and about Sept. 28. > So many stocks look like they have a CWH when possibly the drop was only the > market falling apart. > Any thoughts? > > Charlie > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Non-Canslim: more Goran Date: 25 Oct 2001 11:24:52 -0600 Thanks. It is the same column. At 08:42 AM 10/25/01 -0600, you wrote: >If you go to > >http://www.hardrightedge.com/trader.htm > >you will find a Dave Landry column at the bottom of the page. I >don't know if it is the same column he writes at TM, but its free, he >has a few stock ideas each day. > >On 25 Oct 01, at 8:20, DougC wrote: > > > Thanks for posting this. I've been wondering if he was writing still. He > > was definitely one of the more entertaining and thought provoking writers > > at TM. I think it sucks that they bring excellent writers like that on > > board with fanfare then they disappear with no explanation. Kevin Marder > > and Greg Kuhn were the first to go then Jeff Cooper and Loren > Fleckenstein. > > If it wasnt for Dave Landry and Mark Boucher and a new course on Bear > > Markets I'd stop subscribing. They're raising the monthly rate from 15 to > > 25 and early next year I think the yearly rate will go up. Apparantly they > > were'nt taking in enough money to pay those guys. If Boucher goes I'll > > cancel. I could always sign up for his newsletter. > > > > Najarian said last week on his show that Goran is starting a site called > > thetradingmachine.com. I went to it but it's under construction. > > > > At 12:23 PM 10/25/01 +0700, you wrote: > > >I just discovered Goran is writing a column titled The Sniper's Crosshairs > > >at www.beyondthebull.com > > > > > > > > >Peter > > > > > > > > >"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > >- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email > > >body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use > > >quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIKEAR@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Cbt-why fall Date: 25 Oct 2001 14:51:27 EDT --part1_157.3004ca3.2909b92f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit why did this stock fall today? cbt --part1_157.3004ca3.2909b92f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit why did this stock fall today? cbt --part1_157.3004ca3.2909b92f_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Cbt-why fall Date: 25 Oct 2001 15:20:42 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C15D68.9C924C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable simple answer is more sellers than buyers I checked cnnfn, and it says BT Alex Brown cut its ratings on it. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BIKEAR@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Cbt-why fall why did this stock fall today? cbt=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C15D68.9C924C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
simple answer is more sellers than = buyers
 
I checked cnnfn, and it says BT Alex Brown cut its = ratings on=20 it.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, = 2001 2:51=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Cbt-why = fall

why did = this stock fall=20 today? cbt ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C15D68.9C924C60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] M Date: 25 Oct 2001 14:09:16 -0600 Very nice recovery today from some pretty bad economic news. Durable goods orders, which Yahoo gives a B in importance, came in at -8.5% versus a forecast of -1%, a very large difference, they are usually in the ballpark on those forecasts. I noticed the S&P is again up against the 1100 level, be interesting to see if that gets taken out on Monday, I expect it will. The market's reaction to news is always considered telling in figuring out the bias of the market, I guess today's action has to be considered pretty bullish. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] EPIQ Date: 25 Oct 2001 16:15:37 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C15D70.485F25C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just released Q3 results, earnings 17 cents vs 12, penny over estimates, = revenues up 26% I just did a quick review of the release, positive comments throughout = for the future growth of bankruptcy filings. During Q3, filings were up = 25%, one of the strongest gains experienced. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C15D70.485F25C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
just released Q3 results, earnings 17 cents vs 12, = penny over=20 estimates, revenues up 26%
 
I just did a quick review of the release, positive = comments=20 throughout for the future growth of bankruptcy filings. During Q3, = filings were=20 up 25%, one of the strongest gains experienced.
 
Tom Worley
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------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01C15D70.485F25C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M Date: 25 Oct 2001 16:19:09 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C15D70.C6F8D0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I completely agree, the markets (DOW 30 and Naz) were surging in the = last hour. Naz gained half a percent in just the last five minutes or = so. Volume and percentage gain on Naz says it was another FT day. Haven't = checked some of the other indexes to see if they say the same. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Patrick Wahl=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:09 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] M=20 Very nice recovery today from some pretty bad economic news. =20 Durable goods orders, which Yahoo gives a B in importance, came=20 in at -8.5% versus a forecast of -1%, a very large difference, they=20 are usually in the ballpark on those forecasts. I noticed the S&P is=20 again up against the 1100 level, be interesting to see if that gets=20 taken out on Monday, I expect it will. The market's reaction to=20 news is always considered telling in figuring out the bias of the=20 market, I guess today's action has to be considered pretty bullish. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C15D70.C6F8D0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I completely agree, the markets (DOW 30 and Naz) = were surging=20 in the last hour. Naz gained half a percent in just the last five = minutes or=20 so.
 
Volume and percentage gain on Naz says it was = another FT day.=20 Haven't checked some of the other indexes to see if they say the=20 same.
 
Tom Worley
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From:=20 Patrick = Wahl=20
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Subject: [CANSLIM] M

Very nice recovery today from some pretty bad economic=20 news. 
Durable goods orders, which Yahoo gives a B in = importance,=20 came
in at -8.5% versus a forecast of -1%, a very large = difference, they=20
are usually in the ballpark on those forecasts.  I noticed = the=20 S&P is
again up against the 1100 level, be interesting to see = if that=20 gets
taken out on Monday, I expect it will.  The market's = reaction to=20
news is always considered telling in figuring out the bias of the=20
market, I guess today's action has to be considered pretty=20 bullish.

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------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C15D70.C6F8D0C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 25 Oct 2001 14:56:50 -0700 What a load of crap. Every single great trader has made their money following the big trends. The only time they need to be 'contrarian' is at the inflection points, as positions are entered/exited. But that just gets them into the game - the money is made along the trendline. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:32 PM > Anyone watch The Traders on webfn.com last Thursday (you can also watch the > archive)? Goran Yordanoff was talking about the distribution and insider > selling he had been seeing in ADVP over the last two weeks. He started > selling it short the week before the breakout. On the day of the breakout, > even though he was frightened, he doubled up on his short position. He > said if you are going to be a professional, you have to take a contrarian > viewpoint. He said the trend followers, are amateur traders. I would > guess that includes canslimers. > > Any thoughts? Anyone else see anything wrong with ADVP at the time of the > breakout? I didn't buy it, but thought the breakout looked pretty decent. > > Peter > > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] DFXI Date: 25 Oct 2001 23:50:46 +0200 How do you like it? EPS 99 + RS 80 (my favorite combination) PE 16 (since it is a criteria for me, nice too) ROI 56% CWH? (bit short, handle one shakeout with high volume, volumne dried the last two days ...) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Date: 25 Oct 2001 17:58:59 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_014C_01C15D7E.B9104C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guten Abend, Andreas, 9.9 days short interest, up 29%. If they're right, you get hurt, if = they're wrong, adds a lot of buying power short term. Go to bed, it's nearly Friday there! Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Himmelreich=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] DFXI How do you like it? EPS 99 + RS 80 (my favorite combination) PE 16 (since it is a criteria for me, nice too) ROI 56% CWH? (bit short, handle one shakeout with high volume, volumne dried = the last two days ...) - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_014C_01C15D7E.B9104C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guten Abend, Andreas,
 
9.9 days short interest, up 29%. If they're right, = you get=20 hurt, if they're wrong, adds a lot of buying power short = term.
 
Go to bed, it's nearly Friday there!
 
Tom Worley
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Subject: [CANSLIM] DFXI

How do you like it?

EPS 99 + RS 80  (my = favorite=20 combination)
PE 16 (since it is a criteria for me, nice too)
ROI = 56%

CWH? (bit short, handle one shakeout with high volume, = volumne=20 dried the last two days ...)



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------=_NextPart_000_014C_01C15D7E.B9104C00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeff.salisbury@xmission.com Date: 25 Oct 2001 17:36:39 -0600 (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:07:52 -0500 Message-ID: <925803A107876B4F9CAB972B2D17E19F083DAC@nps1_exch.clayton.forevernetwork.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain More motivated sellers (less motivated buyers?)....numbers of which have to be equal to buyers. Dave. > ---------- > From: Tom Worley[SMTP:stkguru@netside.net] > Reply To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:20 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Cbt-why fall > > simple answer is more sellers than buyers > > I checked cnnfn, and it says BT Alex Brown cut its ratings on it. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BIKEAR@aol.com > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Cbt-why fall > > why did this stock fall today? cbt > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 25 Oct 2001 17:55:15 -0600 Yes, I do see a 6 week cup and handle. I also saw it mentioned in IBD, and went back and looked to see why it didn't make my list. Ah yes, 6 weeks. Since WON defines a cup with handle base as 7-8 weeks minimum, I never added this one to my watch list. Even at 7-8, he says longer bases are less failure prone, so I steer clear of anything shorter than 7 weeks for cup bases, and I like to see the cup portion 7 weeks with the handle somewhere after that. At 06:21 PM 10/25/01 +0700, you wrote: >You don't see a six week cup and handle starting on 8/31? I do. Volume >dried up nicely in the handle as well. I think the breakout was mentioned >in IBD too. Specifically, what do you see wrong with the pattern? > >While I believe it is a good idea to look at insider buying and selling >(placing weight on buying), I don't believe it was ever mentioned by WON as >a CANSLIM criteria. If it was, I sure can't find it in the book. > >Peter > >At 12:07 PM 10/25/2001 +0200, Andreas Himmelreich wrote: >>Well the thing is, there might be some contrarians out there who make >>money, but like value investors there are not >>that many who really make money. >> >>Its much more easy to go with the trend ... Lets face it: ADVP was not >>really a good breakout, I can not see a pattern ... >> >>And: checking insider behaiviour is part of Canslim (since it is a critera >>to buy it in the first place, you want to also check >>how the insiders behaive ...) >> >> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- >> > Von: Peter Christiansen [SMTP:peterc@loxinfo.co.th] >> > Gesendet am: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:32 AM >> > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com >> > Betreff: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP >> > >> > Anyone watch The Traders on webfn.com last Thursday (you can also watch >> the >> > archive)? Goran Yordanoff was talking about the distribution and insider >> > selling he had been seeing in ADVP over the last two weeks. He started >> > selling it short the week before the breakout. On the day of the >> breakout, >> > even though he was frightened, he doubled up on his short position. He >> > said if you are going to be a professional, you have to take a contrarian >> > viewpoint. He said the trend followers, are amateur traders. I would >> > guess that includes canslimers. >> > >> > Any thoughts? Anyone else see anything wrong with ADVP at the time of the >> > breakout? I didn't buy it, but thought the breakout looked pretty decent. >> > >> > Peter >> > >> > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon >> > >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: AW: AW: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 25 Oct 2001 17:58:31 -0600 Yes, 5 weeks is the minimum, but this applies for flat base patterns only, all others should be 7-8 minimum. At 08:26 PM 10/25/01 +0700, you wrote: >I wouldn't call it a wedging handle, but a shakeout would have been nice. > >Agree, the longer the better, concerning bases. I think WON has said they >can be as short as 5 weeks. I believe I heard this at one of his advanced >investment workshops. > >Peter > >At 03:19 PM 10/25/2001 +0200, you wrote: >>Pattern: >> >>Now I can see the pattern you are refering to. >>I think it is to short (6 weeks) and the handle has no shakeout nor a >>downtrend (actually the handle has an uptrend). >> >>"A proper cup with handle must take at least seven or eight weeks ... >>Otherwise, it may be unsound and fail after its breakout. Some bases may >>actually be three, six or as many as fifteen months in duration .... >>Handles can be a short (one or two weeks), or a number of weeks long, and >>need to drift downward along their price lows or have a shakeout (break >>below a prior week's low in the handle" 24 Lessons ... Page 47" >> >>The word "least" in my point: My interpretation is, that the longer a base >>the better. >> >>Insider: >> >>I can not find it in the books, but the following link might have leaded me >>to this conclusion (which might not be right) >> >>http://ideas.money.iwon.com/stocks/guruanalysisdetailed.asp?ticker=ADVP& >>gurupage=oneil#anchor15 >> >>INSIDER OWNERSHIP: [PASS] >> >>Companies with the best prospects have strong insider ownership, which we >>define as 15% or more. When there is strong insider ownership, management >>is more likely to act in the best interest of the company, as their >>interests are right in line with that of the shareholders. Insiders own >>28.00% of ADVP's stock. Management's representation is large enough and >>passes this test. >> >>The actuall insider selling number for ADVP is: 2,812,287 Shares (in the >>latest month reported to the sec). >> > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: [CANSLIM]Today's investors corner Date: 25 Oct 2001 19:10:01 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15DB2.8E56CE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Today's investors corner (10/25/01) talks about sometimes having to buy the same stock a second or third time before it takes off. Very interesting read. I don't believe WON ever covered this in his books. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15DB2.8E56CE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [CANSLIM]Today's investors corner

Today's investors corner (10/25/01) = talks about sometimes having to buy the same stock a second or third = time before it takes off.

Very interesting read. I don't believe = WON ever covered this in his books.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15DB2.8E56CE60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DFXI Date: 25 Oct 2001 18:09:08 -0600 I would put this one in the "cup too low" category we have been discussing. It is around the midpoint of 25.13, but I would put it at the absolute minimum. The real issue here is the stock has to gain another 21% from the pivot point to reach a new high, and this is significant overhead resistance fighting any advance. At 11:50 PM 10/25/01 +0200, you wrote: >How do you like it? > >EPS 99 + RS 80 (my favorite combination) >PE 16 (since it is a criteria for me, nice too) >ROI 56% > >CWH? (bit short, handle one shakeout with high volume, volumne dried the last two days ...) > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]Today's investors corner Date: 25 Oct 2001 20:44:46 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C15D95.E2457E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [CANSLIM]Today's investors cornerYes, Canslim can be as confusing as = rocket science. More trouble than it's worth in a bad market. The system = can't work well for most in this whipsaw market. Bought an IBD paper = today. The new format looks good to me. The yellow highlighted stocks = are a nice touch.=20 DanF ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dempsey, Chris=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: [CANSLIM]Today's investors corner Today's investors corner (10/25/01) talks about sometimes having to = buy the same stock a second or third time before it takes off. Very interesting read. I don't believe WON ever covered this in his = books.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C15D95.E2457E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [CANSLIM]Today's investors corner
Yes, Canslim can be as confusing as = rocket science.=20 More trouble than it's worth in a bad market. The system can't work well = for=20 most in this whipsaw market. Bought an IBD paper today. The new format = looks=20 good to me. The yellow highlighted stocks are a nice touch. =
 
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Today's investors corner (10/25/01) = talks about=20 sometimes having to buy the same stock a second or third time before = it takes=20 off.

Very interesting read. I don't believe = WON ever=20 covered this in his books.

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C15D95.E2457E80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: walter hish Subject: [CANSLIM] intro Date: 25 Oct 2001 20:39:54 -0700 Hi All My name is Walter Hish. I've been here a while trying to put things in order. I started investing about 3 years ago and it didn't take long to notice the stocks I bought grew slower than the grass in my yard. So from there I was off to the bookstore. I found IBD about 2 years ago and still subscribe. I started with DGO this year and cannot put a price on what that service is worth since I would be wasting my time trying to duplicate it. I am a small General Contractor in northeast Pa. with enough free time to make this new effort worthwhile. A few years back I decided to quite growing my company and try my hand at investing after the gray hair showed up. Thanks to all for the variety of content in your advice over the past months. With hard earned money involved a lot of people here take investing serious and I think I'm in good company. With all there is to know about successful investing and taking into consideration the few books I've read, the one answer I cannot find is why the world stock markets seem to move in unison. Just to big to be a co-incidence. Can anyone recommend a book to read to explain this mass movement of money. For what it's worth, I want to thank Jeff for changing from the digest to the threaded version. It's so much easier to read. Thank you, Walter - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 25 Oct 2001 22:07:37 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15DCB.5DA3BA80 Content-Type: text/plain Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost 1.5x ADV E -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM I am calling the pivot 42.30. Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance and support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two only to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves itself to have legs. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 AM whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line? hope to hear ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15DCB.5DA3BA80 Content-Type: text/html
Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost 1.5x ADV
 
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To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
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I am calling the pivot 42.30.
 
Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance and support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two only to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves itself to have legs.
 
E
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whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line?  hope to hear


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At 10:07 PM 10/25/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost 1.5x ADV
 
E
-----Original Message-----
From: Hill, Ernie
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM
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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO
I am calling the pivot 42.30.
 
Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance and support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two only to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves itself to have legs.
 
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- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: [CANSLIM] M Date: 25 Oct 2001 22:01:07 -0600 Whoops, for some reason I had Friday on the brain today and was thinking the next trading day was Monday, I meant 1100 will probably be taken out on Friday. Very nice recovery today from some pretty bad economic news. Durable goods orders, which Yahoo gives a B in importance, came in at -8.5% versus a forecast of -1%, a very large difference, they are usually in the ballpark on those forecasts. I noticed the S&P is again up against the 1100 level, be interesting to see if that gets taken out on Monday, I expect it will. The market's reaction to news is always considered telling in figuring out the bias of the market, I guess today's action has to be considered pretty bullish. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] intro Date: 25 Oct 2001 22:11:02 -0600 On 25 Oct 01, at 20:39, walter hish wrote: > there is to know about successful investing and taking into > consideration the few books I've read, the one answer I cannot find is > why the world stock markets seem to move in unison. Just to big to be a > co-incidence. Can anyone recommend a book to read to explain this mass > movement of money. Take a look at "Intermarket Technical Analysis" by John Murphy, he gets into foreign markets, currencies, interest rates and how the whole mess is tied together. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: AW: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 26 Oct 2001 03:40:41 -0700 Maybe this is the answer I was looking for to a general question I posted the other day. I am having a problem with the couple of weeks after Sept. 11. Many stocks look like they were forming a cup, or a V, but if you eliminate those that were not at least 7 weeks long, it really changes the picture. Someone else mentioned that in statistics (which is a foreign language to me) that extreme points often distort things. Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:55 PM Yes, I do see a 6 week cup and handle. I also saw it mentioned in IBD, and went back and looked to see why it didn't make my list. Ah yes, 6 weeks. Since WON defines a cup with handle base as 7-8 weeks minimum, I never added this one to my watch list. Even at 7-8, he says longer bases are less failure prone, so I steer clear of anything shorter than 7 weeks for cup bases, and I like to see the cup portion 7 weeks with the handle somewhere after that. At 06:21 PM 10/25/01 +0700, you wrote: >You don't see a six week cup and handle starting on 8/31? I do. Volume >dried up nicely in the handle as well. I think the breakout was mentioned >in IBD too. Specifically, what do you see wrong with the pattern? > >While I believe it is a good idea to look at insider buying and selling >(placing weight on buying), I don't believe it was ever mentioned by WON as >a CANSLIM criteria. If it was, I sure can't find it in the book. > >Peter > >At 12:07 PM 10/25/2001 +0200, Andreas Himmelreich wrote: >>Well the thing is, there might be some contrarians out there who make >>money, but like value investors there are not >>that many who really make money. >> >>Its much more easy to go with the trend ... Lets face it: ADVP was not >>really a good breakout, I can not see a pattern ... >> >>And: checking insider behaiviour is part of Canslim (since it is a critera >>to buy it in the first place, you want to also check >>how the insiders behaive ...) >> >> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- >> > Von: Peter Christiansen [SMTP:peterc@loxinfo.co.th] >> > Gesendet am: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:32 AM >> > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com >> > Betreff: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP >> > >> > Anyone watch The Traders on webfn.com last Thursday (you can also watch >> the >> > archive)? Goran Yordanoff was talking about the distribution and insider >> > selling he had been seeing in ADVP over the last two weeks. He started >> > selling it short the week before the breakout. On the day of the >> breakout, >> > even though he was frightened, he doubled up on his short position. He >> > said if you are going to be a professional, you have to take a contrarian >> > viewpoint. He said the trend followers, are amateur traders. I would >> > guess that includes canslimers. >> > >> > Any thoughts? Anyone else see anything wrong with ADVP at the time of the >> > breakout? I didn't buy it, but thought the breakout looked pretty decent. >> > >> > Peter >> > >> > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon >> > >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > >"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: [CANSLIM] 10 trades Date: 26 Oct 2001 04:16:42 -0700 A couple of weeks ago I said that I read that WON had a series of 10 trades he was stopped out of and could not find where I read it. I found it again, it is on page three of "24 Essential Lessons" Charlie - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] intro Date: 26 Oct 2001 04:57:11 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C15DDA.AC05CEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome to the group, Walter. You don't mention having read HTMMIS (How To Make Money In Stocks) by Wm = O'Neil. If not, I would recommend it to you, 3rd edition is now out and = is the one you want. He also published his "24 Lessons" which is also = good reading. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: walter hish=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:39 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] intro Hi All = My name is Walter Hish. I've been here a while trying to put things in order. I started investing about 3 years ago and it = didn't take long to notice the stocks I bought grew slower than the grass in = my yard. So from there I was off to the bookstore. I found IBD about 2 years ago and still subscribe. I started with DGO this year and cannot put a price on what that service is worth since I would be wasting my time trying to duplicate it. I am a small General Contractor in northeast Pa. with enough free time to = make this new effort worthwhile. A few years back I decided to quite = growing my company and try my hand at investing after the gray hair showed up. = Thanks to all for the variety of content in your advice over the past months. With hard earned money involved a lot of people here take investing serious and I think I'm in good company. With = all there is to know about successful investing and taking into consideration the few books I've read, the one answer I cannot find is why the world stock markets seem to move in unison. Just to big to be = a co-incidence. Can anyone recommend a book to read to explain this mass movement of money. For what it's worth, I want to thank Jeff for changing from the digest to the threaded version. It's so much easier to read. Thank you, Walter - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C15DDA.AC05CEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Welcome to the group, Walter.
 
You don't mention having read HTMMIS (How To Make = Money In=20 Stocks) by Wm O'Neil. If not, I would recommend it to you, 3rd edition = is now=20 out and is the one you want. He also published his "24 Lessons" which is = also=20 good reading.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 walter = hish=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Thursday, October 25, = 2001 11:39=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] intro

Hi=20 = All           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;     =20 My name is Walter Hish. I've been here a while trying to
put things = in=20 order. I started investing about 3 years ago and it didn't
take = long to=20 notice the stocks I bought grew slower than the grass in my
yard. = So from=20 there I was off to the bookstore. I found IBD about 2
years ago and = still=20 subscribe. I started with DGO this year and cannot
put a price on = what that=20 service is worth since I would be wasting my
time trying to=20 = duplicate
it.         &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;=20 I am a
small General Contractor in northeast Pa. with enough free = time to=20 make
this new effort worthwhile. A few years back I decided to = quite=20 growing
my company and try my hand at investing after the gray hair = = showed
up.          =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Thanks
to all for the variety of content in your advice over the = past=20 months.
With hard earned money involved a lot of people here take=20 investing
serious and I think I'm in good=20 = company.           = ;           =20 With all
there is to know about successful investing and taking=20 into
consideration the few books I've read, the one answer I cannot = find=20 is
why the world stock markets seem to move in unison. Just to big = to be=20 a
co-incidence. Can anyone recommend a book to read to explain this = mass
movement of money.
For what it's worth, I want to thank = Jeff for=20 changing from the digest
to the threaded version. It's so much = easier=20 = to
read.          &n= bsp;          =20 Thank
you,
Walter

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-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your email.
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C15DDA.AC05CEC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 26 Oct 2001 11:44:32 +0200 I am in since http://www.growthstockanalytics.com/ has recomended it ...Last two picks of them have been great. How are your experiences with it ? > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Hill, Ernie [SMTP:Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com] > Gesendet am: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:08 AM > An: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Betreff: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > > Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost 1.5x > ADV > > E > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hill, Ernie > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > I am calling the pivot 42.30. > > Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance and > support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and > time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the > markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater > opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two only > to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) > based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves itself > to have legs. > > E > > -----Original Message----- > From: BIKEAR@aol.com [mailto:BIKEAR@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line? hope to hear > > > > ****************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso > Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the > use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the > sender. > ****************************************************************** > > > > > ****************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso > Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the > use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the > sender. > ****************************************************************** > << Datei: ATT00003.htm >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] Daily Graphs Excel Sheet Date: 26 Oct 2001 11:48:43 +0200 Who of you have subscribed to Daily Graphs? If you are interested: I have "programmed" (nothing special) an Excel Sheet, that combines all reports of them, so you can filter on all criteria. Reply directly to me if you are interested ... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] intro Date: 26 Oct 2001 13:33:43 +0200 we say in germany, if the Dow gets a cold, the DAX (a German Index comparable to the DOW) gets at least lung cancer .... If the Dow is up the DAX is up and the other way around, its almost always like this. Another thing is Japan, they kind of run on their own ... > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Patrick Wahl [SMTP:pwahl@prodigy.net] > Gesendet am: Friday, October 26, 2001 6:11 AM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] intro > > > > On 25 Oct 01, at 20:39, walter hish wrote: > > > > there is to know about successful investing and taking into > > consideration the few books I've read, the one answer I cannot find is > > why the world stock markets seem to move in unison. Just to big to be a > > co-incidence. Can anyone recommend a book to read to explain this mass > > movement of money. > > Take a look at "Intermarket Technical Analysis" by John Murphy, > he gets into foreign markets, currencies, interest rates and how the > whole mess is tied together. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: RE: AW: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP Date: 26 Oct 2001 07:21:06 -0600 I think this does change the overall view of stocks performance. In fact, let's say you only look at cups with 7 weeks minimum and you only consider handles, say, at 70% of the cup (instead of 50%). This is close to how I've been picking stocks. Now the environment is that you have seen a few stocks break out and fail, a few break out and move higher, and several that are still trading close to their pivot. The main difference is you have a smaller group of stocks that have been worth watching, and I would guess, a higher percentage of successes so far. I have seen some failures, but my impression is that I'm seeing a higher success rate than others in the group. At 03:40 AM 10/26/01 -0700, you wrote: > Maybe this is the answer I was looking for to a general question I posted >the other day. I am having a problem with the couple of weeks after Sept. >11. Many stocks look like they were forming a cup, or a V, but if you >eliminate those that were not at least 7 weeks long, it really changes the >picture. Someone else mentioned that in statistics (which is a foreign >language to me) that extreme points often distort things. > >Charlie > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser >Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 4:55 PM >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP > > >Yes, I do see a 6 week cup and handle. I also saw it mentioned in IBD, and >went back and looked to see why it didn't make my list. Ah yes, 6 weeks. >Since WON defines a cup with handle base as 7-8 weeks minimum, I never >added this one to my watch list. Even at 7-8, he says longer bases are >less failure prone, so I steer clear of anything shorter than 7 weeks for >cup bases, and I like to see the cup portion 7 weeks with the handle >somewhere after that. > >At 06:21 PM 10/25/01 +0700, you wrote: >>You don't see a six week cup and handle starting on 8/31? I do. Volume >>dried up nicely in the handle as well. I think the breakout was mentioned >>in IBD too. Specifically, what do you see wrong with the pattern? >> >>While I believe it is a good idea to look at insider buying and selling >>(placing weight on buying), I don't believe it was ever mentioned by WON as >>a CANSLIM criteria. If it was, I sure can't find it in the book. >> >>Peter >> >>At 12:07 PM 10/25/2001 +0200, Andreas Himmelreich wrote: >>>Well the thing is, there might be some contrarians out there who make >>>money, but like value investors there are not >>>that many who really make money. >>> >>>Its much more easy to go with the trend ... Lets face it: ADVP was not >>>really a good breakout, I can not see a pattern ... >>> >>>And: checking insider behaiviour is part of Canslim (since it is a critera >>>to buy it in the first place, you want to also check >>>how the insiders behaive ...) >>> >>> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- >>> > Von: Peter Christiansen [SMTP:peterc@loxinfo.co.th] >>> > Gesendet am: Thursday, October 25, 2001 3:32 AM >>> > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>> > Betreff: [CANSLIM] Flaws in ADVP >>> > >>> > Anyone watch The Traders on webfn.com last Thursday (you can also watch >>> the >>> > archive)? Goran Yordanoff was talking about the distribution and >insider >>> > selling he had been seeing in ADVP over the last two weeks. He started >>> > selling it short the week before the breakout. On the day of the >>> breakout, >>> > even though he was frightened, he doubled up on his short position. He >>> > said if you are going to be a professional, you have to take a >contrarian >>> > viewpoint. He said the trend followers, are amateur traders. I would >>> > guess that includes canslimers. >>> > >>> > Any thoughts? Anyone else see anything wrong with ADVP at the time of >the >>> > breakout? I didn't buy it, but thought the breakout looked pretty >decent. >>> > >>> > Peter >>> > >>> > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon >>> > >>> > >>> > - >>> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >>> >>>- >>>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >>"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon >> >> >>- >>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >> >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: AW: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 26 Oct 2001 07:25:46 -0600 One note on this one. I show the ADV at 720.5 K shares and yesterday's trade at 921.5 K shares. This calculates out to 1.28 % of daily volume, so it was quite a bit short of 1.5 X ADV according to my numbers. At 11:44 AM 10/26/01 +0200, you wrote: >I am in since http://www.growthstockanalytics.com/ has recomended it >...Last two picks of them have been great. How are your experiences with it >? > >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Hill, Ernie [SMTP:Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com] >> Gesendet am: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:08 AM >> An: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' >> Betreff: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO >> >> Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost >1.5x >> ADV >> >> E >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hill, Ernie >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM >> To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' >> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO >> >> >> I am calling the pivot 42.30. >> >> Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance >and >> support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and >> time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the >> markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater >> opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two >only >> to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) >> based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves >itself >> to have legs. >> >> E >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BIKEAR@aol.com [mailto:BIKEAR@aol.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 AM >> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO >> >> >> whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line? hope to hear >> >> >> >> ****************************************************************** >> This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso >> Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the >> use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >> If you have received this email in error please notify the >> sender. >> ****************************************************************** >> >> >> >> >> ****************************************************************** >> This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso >> Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the >> use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >> If you have received this email in error please notify the >> sender. >> ****************************************************************** >> << Datei: ATT00003.htm >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM appraoch based on M Date: 26 Oct 2001 07:43:20 -0600 1 - In times of strong M, we want to be aggressive, buying stocks as they move quickly (since they often run away), and holding during short bouts of weakness since they are likely to continue stronger. 2 - In times of weak M, we increase cash by selling, and once we are 100% cash, sit on the sidelines waiting for signals to get back in. I think it's the questionable "M" times that are difficult to handle. In the face of repeated failed follow-through days over the 1 1/2 years, I've begun to adjust my approach to investing in these new rallies. My original approach, was to jump to number 1 above as soon as the FT day occurred. This has cost me significant losses over the last 1 1/2 years. As time has gone on, I've modified my approach in several ways, and I thought I share these with the group and get some feedback on these. These are more evolving ideas than hard rules for me at this point, but I still think they are worth discussing. 1 - After a follow-through day, wait for several break-outs to occur before buying my first position. 2 - Start out with no more than 25% to 50% of my total positions, and wait for further confirmation of success before risking more funds. 3 - Select CANSLIM stocks with stronger overall characteristics, while passing on those with even small flaws: Look for very strong volume on the breakout, preferring at leasat 2X ADV. Look for strong secondary indicators such as ROE, U/D Vol, Cash Flow, etc. Choose only handles that are very high in the cup, maybe 70% or higher. Steer clear of any stock with any significant downside volatility on the right side of the cup. Etc., - I think you get the idea. Let me know what you think. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 26 Oct 2001 10:26:45 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C15E08.B692AE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Volume was not 1.5x -- it was only slightly above average. Handle is a bit flawed and pivot is more than 12% below the high. I like the stock but it seems like cheating to call it a breakout. In this market I have found cheating doesn't work. Still on my watch list, though... -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hill, Ernie Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:08 PM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost 1.5x ADV E -----Original Message----- From: Hill, Ernie Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO I am calling the pivot 42.30. Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance and support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two only to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves itself to have legs. E -----Original Message----- From: BIKEAR@aol.com [mailto:BIKEAR@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line? hope to hear ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Volume was not 1.5x -- it was only slightly = above=20 average. Handle is a bit flawed and pivot is more than 12% below the=20 high.
 
I like the stock but it seems like cheating = to call it=20 a breakout. In this market I have found cheating doesn't work. Still on = my watch=20 list, though...
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hill,=20 Ernie
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:08 = PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 TARO

Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved = thru my=20 pivot point on almost 1.5x ADV
 
E
-----Original Message-----
From: Hill, Ernie=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 TARO

I=20 am calling the pivot 42.30.
 
Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, = rather they are=20 they are resistance and support levels projected out into the future = by the=20 squaring of price and time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann = a=20 legendary trader of the markets. I find that they help me make = trades with=20 lower risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks have done well = for the=20 first week or two only to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now = be=20 taking profits (if any) based on target prices projected from Gann = line work=20 until M proves itself to have legs.
 
E
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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, = 2001 7:22=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM] TARO

whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line? =  hope to=20 hear


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Does the fact that this stock is up over 400% this = year=20 already concern anyone?   I know that this is not a Canslim=20 concern.............it's a Pitbull thing, to avoid stocks beyond double = the 52=20 week low.     I've inched this criteria up to 3X for = my=20 screens, but TARO slipped by me due to it being closer to = 4X.
 
Good Investing everyone
 
Perry
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 = 7:26=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = TARO

Volume was not 1.5x -- it was only slightly = above=20 average. Handle is a bit flawed and pivot is more than 12% below the=20 high.
 
I like the stock but it seems like cheating = to call=20 it a breakout. In this market I have found cheating doesn't work. = Still on my=20 watch list, though...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis= sion.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hill,=20 Ernie
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:08 = PM
To:=20 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 TARO

Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved = thru my=20 pivot point on almost 1.5x ADV
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hill, Ernie=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM
To: = 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 TARO

I am calling the pivot = 42.30.
 
Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, = rather they=20 are they are resistance and support levels projected out into the = future=20 by the squaring of price and time. They are from the work done by = W.D.=20 Gann a legendary trader of the markets. I find that they help me = make=20 trades with lower risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks = have done=20 well for the first week or two only to get shot down by M = afterwards. I=20 will now be taking profits (if any) based on target prices = projected from=20 Gann line work until M proves itself to have = legs.
 
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C15E5C.7DDB22C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave" Subject: [CANSLIM] TTN Date: 26 Oct 2001 11:33:28 -0400 TTN "broke out" recently, due to the fact that they are the parent company of the producer of equipment that has the potential to be deployed in post offices to sanitize mail. EPS is a low 54 but may be overlooked if they do land a contract to deploy sanitizing machines in post offices. Other IBD ratings are good (92/A/B/A) and the stock is at a new 52-wk high on good volume. Admittedly the chart is not perfect and this is certainly not a pure CANSLIM play but may be worth watching. It has better fundamentals than other stocks that have benefited hugely from recent events (ACAM, VISG, VSNX for example). If it can hold above 25 for a few days on lower volume I think it has the potential to surge again. -- Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment Date: 26 Oct 2001 08:40:58 -0700 (PDT) I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one stock is more risky than another. When I try to determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers. The only thing I can quantify is volatility. Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to compare and quantify risk on individual stocks? Thanks Kent Norman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment Date: 26 Oct 2001 09:54:38 -0600 You have it right that most "risk" formulas simply calculate volatility. I remember looking into this for mutual funds some time back. Basically, most formulas use up and down volatility, so any fund that outperforms significantly will have a high "risk" number because it moves up more than most stocks. I think there was some formula that only looked at down days, but I don't recall much else about it. Generally, I don't feel the "risk" formulas give meaningful data for most investment decisions. At 08:40 AM 10/26/01 -0700, you wrote: >I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one >stock is more risky than another. When I try to >determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers. >The only thing I can quantify is volatility. > >Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to >compare and quantify risk on individual stocks? > >Thanks >Kent Norman > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP (non canslim, don't open if offended) Date: 26 Oct 2001 21:16:54 -0700 Anyone still watching this old friend? Yes, it is some 25% below its 52 week high, but it appears very oversold based on stochastics. See how it skidded down to its 200 day MA and has stayed above it? Its PEG is now below 1. Waiting for a turn, with momentum going up through 60 or so, feels like a safer move to me than a C/H breakout. Comments? Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment Date: 26 Oct 2001 11:22:29 -0700 (PDT) I hear people talking about risk management and diversification. Sounds more like regression to the mean. I wonder if anyone has done a study of various CANSLIM base patterns and their relative success rates and average gain. Best I can recall, WON says the C&H (and others) produce the greatest gains with the lowest risk, but I have never seen the percentages or relative rankings. Kent --- esetser wrote: > You have it right that most "risk" formulas simply > calculate volatility. I > remember looking into this for mutual funds some > time back. Basically, > most formulas use up and down volatility, so any > fund that outperforms > significantly will have a high "risk" number because > it moves up more than > most stocks. I think there was some formula that > only looked at down days, > but I don't recall much else about it. Generally, I > don't feel the "risk" > formulas give meaningful data for most investment > decisions. > > > At 08:40 AM 10/26/01 -0700, you wrote: > >I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one > >stock is more risky than another. When I try to > >determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers. > >The only thing I can quantify is volatility. > > > >Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to > >compare and quantify risk on individual stocks? > > > >Thanks > >Kent Norman > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > >http://personals.yahoo.com > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment Date: 26 Oct 2001 14:37:32 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C15E2B.BF6A3D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kent, I have never really tried to compare risk of one stock against another. = Each has its own personality. Occasionally I have found myself having to = decide which of two stocks I should buy, often I resolve it by buying = half of each. But usually I just resolve it by going thru my list of = desired criteria and seeing which one better meets my demands. Of = course, it's usually the other one that ends up performing better, thank = you Murphy. Since I remain invested in both bear and bull markets, "M" has only = minor influence on my risk assessment (it's always risky when you buy = thinly traded, low priced small and micro caps!!). In bad "M" = conditions, I usually just tighten up my standards on what I am = watching, so my watch list gets much shorter, and I can watch the fewer = stocks more closely. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kent Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one stock is more risky than another. When I try to determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers. The only thing I can quantify is volatility. Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to compare and quantify risk on individual stocks? 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Hi Kent,
 
I have never really tried to compare risk of one = stock against=20 another. Each has its own personality. Occasionally I have found myself = having=20 to decide which of two stocks I should buy, often I resolve it by buying = half of=20 each. But usually I just resolve it by going thru my list of desired = criteria=20 and seeing which one better meets my demands. Of course, it's usually = the other=20 one that ends up performing better, thank you Murphy.
 
Since I remain invested in both bear and bull = markets, "M" has=20 only minor influence on my risk assessment (it's always risky when you = buy=20 thinly traded, low priced small and micro caps!!). In bad "M" = conditions, I=20 usually just tighten up my standards on what I am watching, so my watch = list=20 gets much shorter, and I can watch the fewer stocks more = closely.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kent=20 Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 = 11:40=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Risk = assesment

I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in = one
stock is=20 more risky than another. When I try to
determine how they asses = risk, I get=20 vague answers.
The only thing I can quantify is = volatility.

Does=20 anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to
compare and quantify = risk on=20 individual stocks?

Thanks
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------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C15E2B.BF6A3D60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: esetser Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP (non canslim, don't open if offended) Date: 26 Oct 2001 13:52:39 -0600 I guess you are in now, since it has moved well above 60 today, although the volume isn't strong enough to convince me the move is a trend. I continue to watch this stock, waiting for a new base to build. At 09:16 PM 10/26/01 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone still watching this old friend? Yes, it is some 25% below its 52 >week high, but it appears very oversold based on stochastics. See how it >skidded down to its 200 day MA and has stayed above it? Its PEG is now >below 1. > >Waiting for a turn, with momentum going up through 60 or so, feels like a >safer move to me than a C/H breakout. Comments? > >Perry > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 26 Oct 2001 15:09:53 -0500 I was in back in August initially had good gains, but I did not trail up my stop and wound up with an almost 9% loss. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:45 AM I am in since http://www.growthstockanalytics.com/ has recomended it ...Last two picks of them have been great. How are your experiences with it ? > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Hill, Ernie [SMTP:Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com] > Gesendet am: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:08 AM > An: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Betreff: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > > Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost 1.5x > ADV > > E > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hill, Ernie > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > I am calling the pivot 42.30. > > Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance and > support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and > time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the > markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater > opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two only > to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) > based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves itself > to have legs. > > E > > -----Original Message----- > From: BIKEAR@aol.com [mailto:BIKEAR@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line? hope to hear > > > > ****************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso > Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the > use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the > sender. > ****************************************************************** > > > > > ****************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso > Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the > use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > If you have received this email in error please notify the > sender. > ****************************************************************** > << Datei: ATT00003.htm >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: AW: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 26 Oct 2001 15:14:00 -0500 Yahoo for some reason shortly after close showed 1.28M traded or I misread it. Anyway that is how I arrived at almost 1.5 ADV. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:26 AM One note on this one. I show the ADV at 720.5 K shares and yesterday's trade at 921.5 K shares. This calculates out to 1.28 % of daily volume, so it was quite a bit short of 1.5 X ADV according to my numbers. At 11:44 AM 10/26/01 +0200, you wrote: >I am in since http://www.growthstockanalytics.com/ has recomended it >...Last two picks of them have been great. How are your experiences with it >? > >> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Hill, Ernie [SMTP:Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com] >> Gesendet am: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:08 AM >> An: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' >> Betreff: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO >> >> Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost >1.5x >> ADV >> >> E >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hill, Ernie >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM >> To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' >> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO >> >> >> I am calling the pivot 42.30. >> >> Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance >and >> support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and >> time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the >> markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater >> opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two >only >> to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) >> based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves >itself >> to have legs. >> >> E >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BIKEAR@aol.com [mailto:BIKEAR@aol.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 AM >> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO >> >> >> whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line? hope to hear >> >> >> >> ****************************************************************** >> This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso >> Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the >> use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >> If you have received this email in error please notify the >> sender. >> ****************************************************************** >> >> >> >> >> ****************************************************************** >> This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso >> Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the >> use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >> If you have received this email in error please notify the >> sender. >> ****************************************************************** >> << Datei: ATT00003.htm >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 26 Oct 2001 15:22:53 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E5B.FDD19410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am not that concerned about it because I am not in for the long term. Until M proves to be in a sustainable bull I am only looking to make quick trades. My Gann line target for this stock is $49 at this time. Could go higher based on price action. All of my trades lately have done very well initially only to turn sour after a couple of weeks. I am now basically swing trading CANSLIM stocks until M gets better. Too many B/O failures, I expect TARO to do the same. I plan to get out before it does. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:26 PM Does the fact that this stock is up over 400% this year already concern anyone? I know that this is not a Canslim concern.............it's a Pitbull thing, to avoid stocks beyond double the 52 week low. I've inched this criteria up to 3X for my screens, but TARO slipped by me due to it being closer to 4X. Good Investing everyone Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:26 AM Volume was not 1.5x -- it was only slightly above average. Handle is a bit flawed and pivot is more than 12% below the high. I like the stock but it seems like cheating to call it a breakout. In this market I have found cheating doesn't work. Still on my watch list, though... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hill, Ernie Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:08 PM Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost 1.5x ADV E -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM I am calling the pivot 42.30. Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance and support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two only to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves itself to have legs. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 AM whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line? hope to hear ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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I am not that concerned about it because I am not in for the long term. Until M proves to be in a sustainable bull I am only looking to make quick trades. My Gann line target for this stock is $49 at this time. Could go higher based on price action.
 
All of my trades lately have done very well initially only to turn sour after a couple of weeks. I am now basically swing trading CANSLIM stocks until M gets better. Too many B/O failures, I expect TARO to do the same. I plan to get out before it does.
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Perry Stanfield [mailto:mpstan@home.com]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:26 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO

Does the fact that this stock is up over 400% this year already concern anyone?   I know that this is not a Canslim concern.............it's a Pitbull thing, to avoid stocks beyond double the 52 week low.     I've inched this criteria up to 3X for my screens, but TARO slipped by me due to it being closer to 4X.
 
Good Investing everyone
 
Perry
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:26 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO

Volume was not 1.5x -- it was only slightly above average. Handle is a bit flawed and pivot is more than 12% below the high.
 
I like the stock but it seems like cheating to call it a breakout. In this market I have found cheating doesn't work. Still on my watch list, though...
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hill, Ernie
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:08 PM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO

Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost 1.5x ADV
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hill, Ernie
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO

I am calling the pivot 42.30.
 
Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance and support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of price and time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary trader of the markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the first week or two only to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be taking profits (if any) based on target prices projected from Gann line work until M proves itself to have legs.
 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO

whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line?  hope to hear


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E5B.FDD19410-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Warren Keuffel Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment Date: 26 Oct 2001 14:35:21 -0600 Kent, The guy who writes the Hulbert newsletter (which evaluates stock picking newsletters) uses something called the Sharpe ratio to adjust newsletter performance for risk. If you are interested I can post his explanation of what the Sharpe ratio is and how to calculate it. Warren Kent Norman wrote: > I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one > stock is more risky than another. When I try to > determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers. > The only thing I can quantify is volatility. > > Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to > compare and quantify risk on individual stocks? > > Thanks > Kent Norman > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Pollution Control - Svcs group Date: 26 Oct 2001 17:08:29 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C15E40.D58278A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For Tim, I have been noting a strong movement in this group, which includes the = environmental and pollution control stocks. Is this just a reflection of = the Anthrax episodes, mergers and consolidations in the group, or is = there something more significant going on? Several I have noted recently include EEI and VSR, both making new highs = recently. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C15E40.D58278A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For Tim,
 
I have been noting a strong movement in this group, = which=20 includes the environmental and pollution control stocks. Is this just a=20 reflection of the Anthrax episodes, mergers and consolidations in the = group, or=20 is there something more significant going on?
 
Several I have noted recently include EEI and VSR, = both making=20 new highs recently.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C15E40.D58278A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dempsey, Chris" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Risk assessment Date: 26 Oct 2001 16:57:18 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E69.2EA13B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Great topic that this group should spend some time on. Many times stocks that I thought would do great I take a small loss on, and stocks that I wondered if I really should buy this have done excellent. One thing that I think would help would be to document everything that you reasonably can when you buy and sell a stock. Ex: IBD #'s, relationship to high and low, previous earnings, earning estimates, bid ask, ROE, group rank, current state of M, recent distribution days, last follow through day, reason for trade, etc., etc. Then after many trades, through analysis of the data, something might stick out as being important or unimportant. For the past several years I've been going to do this but haven't. I would like to start by the first of the year. Now I usually get a chart printed for review later, but they don't tell the whole story. Does anyone else do something like this? And if so how are you keeping track of this data, and have you learned anything from your data? -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:38 PM Hi Kent, I have never really tried to compare risk of one stock against another. Each has its own personality. Occasionally I have found myself having to decide which of two stocks I should buy, often I resolve it by buying half of each. But usually I just resolve it by going thru my list of desired criteria and seeing which one better meets my demands. Of course, it's usually the other one that ends up performing better, thank you Murphy. Since I remain invested in both bear and bull markets, "M" has only minor influence on my risk assessment (it's always risky when you buy thinly traded, low priced small and micro caps!!). In bad "M" conditions, I usually just tighten up my standards on what I am watching, so my watch list gets much shorter, and I can watch the fewer stocks more closely. Tom Worley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:40 AM I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one stock is more risky than another. When I try to determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers. The only thing I can quantify is volatility. Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to compare and quantify risk on individual stocks? Thanks Kent Norman ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E69.2EA13B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Great topic that this group should spend some time on.

Many times stocks that I thought would do great I take a small loss on, and stocks that I wondered if I really should buy this have done excellent.

One thing that I think would help would be to document everything that you reasonably can when you buy and sell a stock. Ex: IBD #’s, relationship to high and low, previous earnings, earning estimates, bid ask, ROE, group rank, current state of M, recent distribution days, last follow through day, reason for trade, etc., etc. Then after many trades, through analysis of the data, something might stick out as being important or unimportant. For the past several years I’ve been going to do this but haven’t. I would like to start by the first of the year. Now I usually get a chart printed for review later, but they don't tell the whole story.

Does anyone else do something like this? And if so how are you keeping track of this data, and have you learned anything from your data?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:38 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment

Hi Kent,
 
I have never really tried to compare risk of one stock against another. Each has its own personality. Occasionally I have found myself having to decide which of two stocks I should buy, often I resolve it by buying half of each. But usually I just resolve it by going thru my list of desired criteria and seeing which one better meets my demands. Of course, it's usually the other one that ends up performing better, thank you Murphy.
 
Since I remain invested in both bear and bull markets, "M" has only minor influence on my risk assessment (it's always risky when you buy thinly traded, low priced small and micro caps!!). In bad "M" conditions, I usually just tighten up my standards on what I am watching, so my watch list gets much shorter, and I can watch the fewer stocks more closely.
 
Tom Worley
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:40 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment

I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one
stock is more risky than another. When I try to
determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers.
The only thing I can quantify is volatility.

Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to
compare and quantify risk on individual stocks?

Thanks
Kent Norman

------_=_NextPart_001_01C15E69.2EA13B60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP (non canslim, don't open if offended) Date: 26 Oct 2001 18:03:45 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C15E48.8DE90740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perry, I would be highly cautious of today's trading. Nice move up percentage = wise, but on less than average daily volume. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Perry Stanfield=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:16 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP (non canslim, don't open if offended) Anyone still watching this old friend? Yes, it is some 25% below its = 52 week high, but it appears very oversold based on stochastics. See = how it skidded down to its 200 day MA and has stayed above it? Its PEG is = now below 1. Waiting for a turn, with momentum going up through 60 or so, feels = like a safer move to me than a C/H breakout. Comments? Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C15E48.8DE90740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Perry,
 
I would be highly cautious of today's trading. Nice = move up=20 percentage wise, but on less than average daily volume.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Perry = Stanfield=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Saturday, October 27, = 2001 12:16=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP (non = canslim,=20 don't open if offended)

Anyone still watching this old friend?  Yes, it is = some=20 25% below its 52
week high, but it appears very oversold based on=20 stochastics.   See how it
skidded down to its 200 day MA = and has=20 stayed above it?  Its PEG is now
below 1.

Waiting for a = turn,=20 with momentum going up through 60 or so,  feels like a
safer = move to=20 me than a C/H breakout.  = Comments?

Perry


-
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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C15E48.8DE90740-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Risk assessment Date: 26 Oct 2001 18:07:35 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C15E49.174F96C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable so much for risk assessment. The Russell 2000 didn't even crack one = percent, but my VR fund gained 3.6%, and my IRA gained 8% (now up 75% = for this year), all on small and micro cap stocks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dempsey, Chris=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Risk assessment Great topic that this group should spend some time on. Many times stocks that I thought would do great I take a small loss = on, and stocks that I wondered if I really should buy this have done = excellent. One thing that I think would help would be to document everything that = you reasonably can when you buy and sell a stock. Ex: IBD #'s, = relationship to high and low, previous earnings, earning estimates, bid = ask, ROE, group rank, current state of M, recent distribution days, last = follow through day, reason for trade, etc., etc. Then after many trades, = through analysis of the data, something might stick out as being = important or unimportant. For the past several years I've been going to = do this but haven't. I would like to start by the first of the year. Now = I usually get a chart printed for review later, but they don't tell the = whole story. Does anyone else do something like this? And if so how are you keeping = track of this data, and have you learned anything from your data? -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:38 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment Hi Kent, I have never really tried to compare risk of one stock against = another. Each has its own personality. Occasionally I have found myself = having to decide which of two stocks I should buy, often I resolve it by = buying half of each. But usually I just resolve it by going thru my list = of desired criteria and seeing which one better meets my demands. Of = course, it's usually the other one that ends up performing better, thank = you Murphy. Since I remain invested in both bear and bull markets, "M" has only = minor influence on my risk assessment (it's always risky when you buy = thinly traded, low priced small and micro caps!!). In bad "M" = conditions, I usually just tighten up my standards on what I am = watching, so my watch list gets much shorter, and I can watch the fewer = stocks more closely. Tom Worley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kent Norman=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one stock is more risky than another. When I try to determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers. The only thing I can quantify is volatility. Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to compare and quantify risk on individual stocks? Thanks Kent Norman ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C15E49.174F96C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
so much for risk assessment. The Russell 2000 didn't = even=20 crack one percent, but my VR fund gained 3.6%, and my IRA gained 8% (now = up 75%=20 for this year), all on small and micro cap stocks.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dempsey, Chris
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 = 5:57=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Risk=20 assessment

Great topic that this group should spend some = time on.

Many times stocks that I thought would do great I = take a=20 small loss on, and stocks that I wondered if I really should buy this = have=20 done excellent.

One thing that I think would help would be to = document=20 everything that you reasonably can when you buy and sell a stock. Ex: = IBD #’s,=20 relationship to high and low, previous earnings, earning estimates, = bid ask,=20 ROE, group rank, current state of M, recent distribution days, last = follow=20 through day, reason for trade, etc., etc. Then after many trades, = through=20 analysis of the data, something might stick out as being important or=20 unimportant. For the past several years I’ve been going to do = this but=20 haven’t. I would like to start by the first of the year. Now I = usually get a=20 chart printed for review later, but = they don't=20 tell the whole story.

Does anyone else do something like this? And if = so how are=20 you keeping track of this data, and have you learned anything from = your=20 data?

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley=20 [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Friday, October 26, = 2001 1:38=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 Risk assesment

Hi Kent,
 
I have never really tried to compare risk of one = stock=20 against another. Each has its own personality. Occasionally I have = found=20 myself having to decide which of two stocks I should buy, often I = resolve it=20 by buying half of each. But usually I just resolve it by going thru = my list=20 of desired criteria and seeing which one better meets my demands. Of = course,=20 it's usually the other one that ends up performing better, thank you = Murphy.
 
Since I remain invested in both bear and bull = markets, "M"=20 has only minor influence on my risk assessment (it's always risky = when you=20 buy thinly traded, low priced small and micro caps!!). In bad "M"=20 conditions, I usually just tighten up my standards on what I am = watching, so=20 my watch list gets much shorter, and I can watch the fewer stocks = more=20 closely.
 
Tom Worley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Kent=20 Norman
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 26, = 2001 11:40=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Risk=20 assesment

I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in = one
stock=20 is more risky than another. When I try to
determine how they = asses=20 risk, I get vague answers.
The only thing I can quantify is=20 volatility.

Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how = to
compare and quantify risk on individual=20 stocks?

Thanks
Kent=20 Norman

------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C15E49.174F96C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TTN Date: 26 Oct 2001 18:12:27 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C15E49.C5E7A240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know that the Anthrax scares can offset three quarters in a row = of declining earnings, much less a forecast for the full year of a 50% = decline in earnings.=20 And they are up against a difficult Q4 for comparison purposes, earned = 13 cents in Q3 (best qtr this year), have to earn better than 23 cents = in Q4 to show a positive trend. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] TTN TTN "broke out" recently, due to the fact that they are the parent = company of the producer of equipment that has the potential to be deployed in = post offices to sanitize mail. EPS is a low 54 but may be overlooked if they do land a contract to = deploy sanitizing machines in post offices. Other IBD ratings are good = (92/A/B/A) and the stock is at a new 52-wk high on good volume. Admittedly the chart is not perfect and this is certainly not a pure CANSLIM play but may be worth watching. It has better fundamentals = than other stocks that have benefited hugely from recent events (ACAM, = VISG, VSNX for example). If it can hold above 25 for a few days on lower = volume I think it has the potential to surge again. -- Dave - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C15E49.C5E7A240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't know that the Anthrax scares can offset = three quarters=20 in a row of declining earnings, much less a forecast for the full year = of a 50%=20 decline in earnings.
 
And they are up against a difficult Q4 for = comparison=20 purposes, earned 13 cents in Q3 (best qtr this year), have to earn = better than=20 23 cents in Q4 to show a positive trend.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dave
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 = 11:33=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] TTN

TTN "broke out" recently, due to the fact that they are = the=20 parent company
of the producer of equipment that has the potential = to be=20 deployed in post
offices to sanitize mail.

EPS is a low 54 = but may=20 be overlooked if they do land a contract to deploy
sanitizing = machines in=20 post offices. Other IBD ratings are good (92/A/B/A)
and the stock = is at a=20 new 52-wk high on good volume.

Admittedly the chart is not = perfect and=20 this is certainly not a pure
CANSLIM play but may be worth = watching. It has=20 better fundamentals than
other stocks that have benefited hugely = from=20 recent events (ACAM, VISG,
VSNX for example). If it can hold above = 25 for a=20 few days on lower volume
I think it has the potential to surge=20 again.


--
Dave


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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C15E49.C5E7A240-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment Date: 27 Oct 2001 02:15:07 +0200 In market wizards David Ryan said 50/50 > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Kent Norman [SMTP:kent_norman@yahoo.com] > Gesendet am: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:22 PM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Risk assesment > > I hear people talking about risk management and > diversification. Sounds more like regression to the > mean. > > I wonder if anyone has done a study of various CANSLIM > base patterns and their relative success rates and > average gain. Best I can recall, WON says the C&H (and > others) produce the greatest gains with the lowest > risk, but I have never seen the percentages or > relative rankings. > > Kent > --- esetser wrote: > > You have it right that most "risk" formulas simply > > calculate volatility. I > > remember looking into this for mutual funds some > > time back. Basically, > > most formulas use up and down volatility, so any > > fund that outperforms > > significantly will have a high "risk" number because > > it moves up more than > > most stocks. I think there was some formula that > > only looked at down days, > > but I don't recall much else about it. Generally, I > > don't feel the "risk" > > formulas give meaningful data for most investment > > decisions. > > > > > > At 08:40 AM 10/26/01 -0700, you wrote: > > >I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one > > >stock is more risky than another. When I try to > > >determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers. > > >The only thing I can quantify is volatility. > > > > > >Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to > > >compare and quantify risk on individual stocks? > > > > > >Thanks > > >Kent Norman > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > > >http://personals.yahoo.com > > > > > >- > > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > > email. > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] ADVP (non canslim, don't open if offended) Date: 27 Oct 2001 02:18:33 +0200 I would be cautios as well, I mean there is no pattern at all right now ... > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Tom Worley [SMTP:stkguru@netside.net] > Gesendet am: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:04 AM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP (non canslim, don't open if offended) > > Perry, > > I would be highly cautious of today's trading. Nice move up percentage wise, but on less than average daily volume. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Perry Stanfield > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:16 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP (non canslim, don't open if offended) > > > Anyone still watching this old friend? Yes, it is some 25% below its 52 > week high, but it appears very oversold based on stochastics. See how it > skidded down to its 200 day MA and has stayed above it? Its PEG is now > below 1. > > Waiting for a turn, with momentum going up through 60 or so, feels like a > safer move to me than a C/H breakout. Comments? > > Perry > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > << Datei: ATT00005.htm >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] BPRX Date: 27 Oct 2001 02:34:59 +0200 ------ =_NextPart_000_01C15E8F.FA2A6060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am in ...I like the breakout and the fundamentals .... Is not realy a WO Stock, since it is below 15 .. and ROI below 17% (its 14%). Huge Volumne 821 against 278 average ... Good Night and have a great weekend ... 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] Diss Day Date: 27 Oct 2001 02:37:25 +0200 Puh, for a moment I thought is was a diss day ... But volumne was lower then yesterday ... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 27 Oct 2001 09:21:09 -0700 HGS avoids stocks that are less than 2X the 52 wk low. At 08:26 PM 10/26/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Does the fact that this stock is up over 400% this year already concern >anyone? I know that this is not a Canslim concern.............it's a >Pitbull thing, to avoid stocks beyond double the 52 week low. I've >inched this criteria up to 3X for my screens, but TARO slipped by me due >to it being closer to 4X. > >Good Investing everyone > >Perry > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Dave >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:26 AM >>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO >> >>Volume was not 1.5x -- it was only slightly above average. Handle is a >>bit flawed and pivot is more than 12% below the high. >> >>I like the stock but it seems like cheating to call it a breakout. In >>this market I have found cheating doesn't work. Still on my watch list, >>though... >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: >>>owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com >>> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Hill, Ernie >>>Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:08 PM >>>To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' >>>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO >>> >>>Picked up TARO today at 42.43 as it moved thru my pivot point on almost >>>1.5x ADV >>> >>>E >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Hill, Ernie >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:58 AM >>>To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' >>>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO >>> >>>I am calling the pivot 42.30. >>> >>>Gann lines are not part of CANSLIM, rather they are they are resistance >>>and support levels projected out into the future by the squaring of >>>price and time. They are from the work done by W.D. Gann a legendary >>>trader of the markets. I find that they help me make trades with lower >>>risk and greater opportunity. Lately my picks have done well for the >>>first week or two only to get shot down by M afterwards. I will now be >>>taking profits (if any) based on target prices projected from Gann line >>>work until M proves itself to have legs. >>> >>>E >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: BIKEAR@aol.com [mailto:BIKEAR@aol.com] >>>Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:22 AM >>>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO >>> >>>whaT would the pivot be? plus what is the Gann line? hope to hear >>> >>> >>> >>>****************************************************************** >>>This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso >>>Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the >>>use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >>>If you have received this email in error please notify the >>>sender. >>>****************************************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>>****************************************************************** >>>This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso >>>Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the >>>use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >>>If you have received this email in error please notify the >>>sender. >>>****************************************************************** >> >>Tim Fisher >>Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >>Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >>mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >>WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP (non canslim, don't open if offended) Date: 27 Oct 2001 09:22:45 -0700 I bot back after the failed B/O & am down again, holding w/ a stop just below the 200. Why is it non-CANSLIM? It needs to base a while but the fundies are intact. At 09:16 PM 10/26/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone still watching this old friend? Yes, it is some 25% below its 52 >week high, but it appears very oversold based on stochastics. See how it >skidded down to its 200 day MA and has stayed above it? Its PEG is now >below 1. > >Waiting for a turn, with momentum going up through 60 or so, feels like a >safer move to me than a C/H breakout. Comments? > >Perry > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tim@orerockon.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pollution Control - Svcs group Date: 27 Oct 2001 10:04:46 -0700 I dunno, I am not too familiar with those guys except for WATR. We don't do PC services & in fact call those guys "tank-yankers" since they all got bloated pulling gas tanks with the new EPA rules a few years ago, then they imploded when all the gas stations were converted to new tanks. At 05:08 PM 10/26/2001 -0400, you wrote: >For Tim, > >I have been noting a strong movement in this group, which includes the >environmental and pollution control stocks. Is this just a reflection of >the Anthrax episodes, mergers and consolidations in the group, or is there >something more significant going on? > >Several I have noted recently include EEI and VSR, both making new highs >recently. > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 27 Oct 2001 22:16:25 EDT Ernie: Would you explain how you get a "Gann line target of $49"? I don't see any trendlines that would lead one to 49. jans In a message dated 10/26/2001 4:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com writes: << I am not that concerned about it because I am not in for the long term. Until M proves to be in a sustainable bull I am only looking to make quick trades. My Gann line target for this stock is $49 at this time. Could go higher based on price action. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pollution Control - Svcs group Date: 27 Oct 2001 22:29:13 EDT Tom: I'm pretty certain you've checked out the news already on VSR (I didn't like EEI's chart), but just in case you didn't (It sounds to me that their sales will be positive next quarter [which makes me wonder why their sales were negative this quarter]): Wednesday October 24, 9:16 am Eastern Time Press Release SOURCE: VERSAR, INC. VERSAR Expands Anthrax Testing Services Announces Nationwide Emergency Response Service SPRINGFIELD, Va., Oct. 24 /PRNewswire/ -- VERSAR, INC. (Amex: VSR - news) announced today that the Company has put into place a nationwide emergency response service for biological, chemical and industrial incidents in the workplace throughout the United States, Canada and Europe. Operating out of regional command centers, VERSAR will respond to actual and threatened terrorist incidents including securing the affected area, sampling and analysis. For a monthly fee customers will receive 24 hour, 7 days a week access to VERSAR'S network of on-site coordinators through a 800 number, secure website, limited telephone and face to face consultation, plus discounts on biological and chemical laboratory fees. VERSAR provides consulting services in mitigating risk to protect employees and ensuring business continuity. In addition, VERSAR offers comprehensive counter terrorism services including vulnerability assessment, facilities operations, personal protection programs and engineering services. The Company's emergency response services were recently featured in the Wall Street Journal. To date, VERSAR has conducted more than a dozen anthrax-testing programs for financial institutions and news outlets including CNN and ABC. Testing has used protocols developed by the U.S. Army. Dr. Ted Prociv, President and CEO of VERSAR said, ``As the former head of the Department of Defense chemical and biological program, I know there is a need for immediate site response to potential terrorist situations around the world. With our 15 years of experience in chemical and biological weapons and clean-up, VERSAR is in a unique position to assist business and local government deal with actual or perceived threats.'' VERSAR, INC., (Amex: VSR - news) headquartered in Springfield, VA, is a publicly held professional services firm supporting government and industry in homeland defense and counter-terrorism, environmental health and safety and infrastructure revitalization. VERSAR operates a number of websites, including the corporate web sites, http://www.versar.com/, http://www.homelanddefense.com and http://www.geomet.com/; a B2B portal for homeland defense and counter-terrorism products and services, http://www.nbcprotect.com/; a permit support site for auxiliary power generators, http://www.permitmygenerator.com/; and a website for B2B support for architectural and engineering projects using a virtual workspace, at http://www.v-ginc.com/. This press release contains forward-looking information. The forward-looking statements are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements may be significantly impacted by certain risks and uncertainties described herein and in Versar's Annual Report on Form 10-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission for the year ended June 30, 2001. In a message dated 10/26/2001 5:33:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << I have been noting a strong movement in this group, which includes the environmental and pollution control stocks. Is this just a reflection of the Anthrax episodes, mergers and consolidations in the group, or is there something more significant going on? Several I have noted recently include EEI and VSR, both making new highs recently. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 27 Oct 2001 21:38:47 -0500 Jans, This price projection is not from trend lines like the 1X1 line. It comes from the "squaring of price and time". The method I use was created by Don Fisher. His method employs a set of formulas that project the "squaring of price and time" into the future. He has the formulas as part of an Excel spread-sheet and it is easy to use, but selecting the right points from which to make the projections requires some practice. I have found his technique to be very useful. I don't want this to become an advertisement especially since I get nothing out of it, but if you are interested send me an off list e-mail and I will give you a web address for him where you can get more info about his technique. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:16 PM Ernie: Would you explain how you get a "Gann line target of $49"? I don't see any trendlines that would lead one to 49. jans In a message dated 10/26/2001 4:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com writes: << I am not that concerned about it because I am not in for the long term. Until M proves to be in a sustainable bull I am only looking to make quick trades. My Gann line target for this stock is $49 at this time. Could go higher based on price action. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: [CANSLIM] C&H & pivot points Date: 27 Oct 2001 22:06:30 -0500 After being questioned about my selection of a pivot point I have been doing some reading to find what I thought was a pivot point rule. I have usually used the high point of the right rim of the cup as a pivot point for C&H patterns. I don't know if this is something that I have read or just imagined I read because I can't seem to find it in HTMMIS. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] C&H & pivot points Date: 27 Oct 2001 23:14:56 EDT Ernie: WON's book, "24 Essential Lessons..." has an explanation of the pivot point (and also a drawing of the C&H and its pivot point) on Pages 45-47. jans In a message dated 10/27/2001 11:08:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com writes: << After being questioned about my selection of a pivot point I have been doing some reading to find what I thought was a pivot point rule. I have usually used the high point of the right rim of the cup as a pivot point for C&H patterns. I don't know if this is something that I have read or just imagined I read because I can't seem to find it in HTMMIS. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 28 Oct 2001 06:08:22 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C15F76.F2AA20E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ON "M" As I have mentioned before, a lot of "M" is perception. There is no = scientific way of measuring it that I know. Certainly year to year = earnings are terrible (but that's already priced in, and many are = beating lowered expectations). The economy was barely growing before = 9/11/01, and is presumed to have slid into negative numbers for the = entire Q3. But that is also not a surprise. Anthrax attacks have = unsettled the nation, but already that's becoming old news now that we = see it is not the massive deadly virus many assumed. Greater security = measures are being taken, which will be a cost to businesses and = productivity, but so far the public approves. Osama remains at large = while the war on the Taliban continues, but already we are regaining our = sense of perspective enough to make fun of Osama. He's a mass murderer, = a terrorist, and yet we are not afraid of him and his cohorts to the = point of stopping our lives. Consumer sentiment picked up in the first = half of October, altho not to pre-attack levels. People are traveling = again, including on airplanes. Durable goods orders tanked far beyond = expectations, but who seriously believed the economist's forecasts of a = 1% decline for Sept? A 20% reduction in commercial flights would = undoubtedly result in enough unclosed orders, cancellations, or delay in = delivery to far exceed that. Right now there are a lot of mothballed = commercial planes available at fire sale prices. Why buy a new one when = a slightly used one is available for half the price, or less? The stock = markets had a good week, with all major indexes showing gains. Several = (Naz 100, Naz Composite, S&P500, DJ Financial) are already higher than = their close on 9/10/01. NYSE Composite is only two points off its close = on 9/10/01. Both it and Naz Comp among others are above their 50 DMA as = well. My perceptions of "M" are understandably colored by the success of = both my IRA and my VR Fund, which have been beating most indexes, = including the Russell 2000, for over a month. But when I step back and = try to look at all the markets, I still see strength, recovery, positive = belief in the future. We took a horrendous blow on September 11 from a = cowardly sneak attack on civilians just doing their job. But already, = less than two months later and while bodies continue to be recovered = from the rubble of the World Trade Center, life is returning to normal. = That says a lot of positive things to me about "M". ------- WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES The pool of stocks I am reviewing continues to grow, another sign of = improving "M". As usual, Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks duration. If I see a = distinctive pattern such as a cup and handle, I will say so. # means I either own it or have it in my VR fund AHCI - LLUR AIM - more volatile LLUR, low ADV APOG - # - 8% gain on 2.5X ADV Friday from a 4 week drooping handle, = didn't break pivot ATPX -# - 2+ week consolidation AVD - two week handle on nice cup, ADV only 4,000 BVF - right at pivot on Friday on nearly 3X ADV BYS - B4 below the high DLX - B4, earnings forecast weak EPIQ - # - you already know how I feel about this one! FBA - B3+ FCFS - # - B4, low price ($8) FHRX - LLUR FLIR - more volatile LLUR FTBK - B8, 3 dividend increases in last six months FTO - B3+ GB - volatile 4+ week consolidation, huge earnings forecasts GFF - B2, weak earnings forecast GTY - B4 JNC - B3+ KRON - 3 week consolidation of gains, good earnings forecast, good = earnings growth last two qtrs LB - # - b/o Friday on 6X ADV from 2+ week base MHK - 1 week handle on steep cup, weak earnings forecast MKC - 4 week handle on a funnel, weak earnings currently and forecast PDCO - volatile B4 right at pivot PHC - B3+ RMD - short c&h, market cap to sales ratio high at 13 RPM - B2 SONC - B3+ STZ - 4 week consolidation below the high TAYD - # - 4 week consolidation at the high, low priced TTIL - # - breaking 50 DMA, RS only 56 but good earnings XRAY - 4 week handle on a funnel formation Happy Hunting, and remember that America will not forget, but we will = recover Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C15F76.F2AA20E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ON "M"
As I have mentioned before, a lot of "M" is = perception. There=20 is no scientific way of measuring it that I know. Certainly year to year = earnings are terrible (but that's already priced in, and many are = beating=20 lowered expectations). The economy was barely growing before 9/11/01, = and is=20 presumed to have slid into negative numbers for the entire Q3. But that = is also=20 not a surprise. Anthrax attacks have unsettled the nation, but already = that's=20 becoming old news now that we see it is not the massive deadly virus = many=20 assumed. Greater security measures are being taken, which will be a cost = to=20 businesses and productivity, but so far the public approves. Osama = remains at=20 large while the war on the Taliban continues, but already we are = regaining our=20 sense of perspective enough to make fun of Osama. He's a mass murderer, = a=20 terrorist, and yet we are not afraid of him and his cohorts to the point = of=20 stopping our lives. Consumer sentiment picked up in the first half of = October,=20 altho not to pre-attack levels. People are traveling again, including on = airplanes. Durable goods orders tanked far beyond expectations, but who=20 seriously believed the economist's forecasts of a 1% decline for Sept? A = 20%=20 reduction in commercial flights would undoubtedly result in enough = unclosed=20 orders, cancellations, or delay in delivery to far exceed that. Right = now there=20 are a lot of mothballed commercial planes available at fire sale prices. = Why buy=20 a new one when a slightly used one is available for half the price, or = less? The=20 stock markets had a good week, with all major indexes showing gains. = Several=20 (Naz 100, Naz Composite, S&P500, DJ Financial) are already higher = than their=20 close on 9/10/01. NYSE Composite is only two points off its close on = 9/10/01.=20 Both it and Naz Comp among others are above their 50 DMA as well. My = perceptions=20 of "M" are understandably colored by the success of both my IRA and my = VR Fund,=20 which have been beating most indexes, including the Russell 2000, for = over a=20 month. But when I step back and try to look at all the markets, I still = see=20 strength, recovery, positive belief in the future. We took a horrendous = blow on=20 September 11 from a cowardly sneak attack on civilians just doing their = job. But=20 already, less than two months later and while bodies continue to be = recovered=20 from the rubble of the World Trade Center, life is returning to normal. = That=20 says a lot of positive things to me about "M".
WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES
 
The pool of stocks I am reviewing continues to grow, another sign = of=20 improving "M".
 
As usual, Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks duration. If I = see a=20 distinctive pattern such as a cup and handle, I will say so.
# means I either own it or have it in my VR fund
 
AHCI - LLUR
AIM - more volatile LLUR, low ADV
APOG - # - 8% gain on 2.5X ADV Friday from a 4 week drooping = handle, didn't=20 break pivot
ATPX -# - 2+ week consolidation
AVD - two week handle on nice cup, ADV only 4,000
BVF - right at pivot on Friday on nearly 3X ADV
BYS - B4 below the high
DLX - B4, earnings forecast weak
EPIQ - # - you already know how I feel about this one!
FBA - B3+
FCFS - # - B4, low price ($8)
FHRX - LLUR
FLIR - more volatile LLUR
FTBK - B8, 3 dividend increases in last six months
FTO - B3+
GB - volatile 4+ week consolidation, huge earnings forecasts
GFF - B2, weak earnings forecast
GTY - B4
JNC - B3+
KRON - 3 week consolidation of gains, good earnings forecast, good = earnings=20 growth last two qtrs
LB - # - b/o Friday on 6X ADV from 2+ week base
MHK - 1 week handle on steep cup, weak earnings forecast
MKC - 4 week handle on a funnel, weak earnings currently and = forecast
PDCO - volatile B4 right at pivot
PHC - B3+
RMD - short c&h, market cap to sales ratio high at 13
RPM - B2
SONC - B3+
STZ - 4 week consolidation below the high
TAYD - # - 4 week consolidation at the high, low priced
TTIL - # - breaking 50 DMA, RS only 56 but good earnings
XRAY - 4 week handle on a funnel formation
 
Happy Hunting, and remember that America will not = forget, but=20 we will recover
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_0065_01C15F76.F2AA20E0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 28 Oct 2001 06:30:16 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C15F7A.01E4B860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Forgot to mention, LB is another of my low priced stocks, closed at = $4.43 on Friday (I'm up nearly 50% on it). Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:08 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES The pool of stocks I am reviewing continues to grow, another sign of = improving "M". As usual, Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks duration. If I see = a distinctive pattern such as a cup and handle, I will say so. # means I either own it or have it in my VR fund LB - # - b/o Friday on 6X ADV from 2+ week base Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C15F7A.01E4B860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Forgot to mention, LB is another of my low priced = stocks,=20 closed at $4.43 on Friday (I'm up nearly 50% on it).
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 = 6:08=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's = Weekend=20 Weeview

WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES
 
The pool of stocks I am reviewing continues to grow, another sign = of=20 improving "M".
 
As usual, Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks duration. If I = see a=20 distinctive pattern such as a cup and handle, I will say so.
# means I either own it or have it in my VR fund
 
LB - # - b/o Friday on 6X ADV from 2+ week base
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C15F7A.01E4B860-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BPRX Date: 28 Oct 2001 06:36:56 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C15F7A.F0283420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EPS ranking is at 80 in part because of the extreme profits of Q4 2000. = Those were out of line with other qtrs, so EPS ranking may decline. = Latest two quarters also do not show positive comparable profit margins = to prior qtrs. Balancing this, company has forecasted better sales and = earnings in second half of this year compared to first half. I would be = inclined to wait until after Q3 earnings are reported (expected 11/2), = and see if they support the company forecast. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Himmelreich=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] BPRX I am in ...I like the breakout and the fundamentals .... Is not realy a WO Stock, since it is below 15 .. and ROI below 17% = (its 14%). Huge Volumne 821 against 278 average ... Good Night and have a great weekend ... =20 Andreas ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C15F7A.F0283420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
EPS ranking is at 80 in part because of the extreme = profits of=20 Q4 2000. Those were out of line with other qtrs, so EPS ranking may = decline.=20 Latest two quarters also do not show positive comparable profit margins = to prior=20 qtrs. Balancing this, company has forecasted better sales and earnings = in second=20 half of this year compared to first half. I would be inclined to wait = until=20 after Q3 earnings are reported (expected 11/2), and see if they support = the=20 company forecast.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andreas = Himmelreich
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 = 7:34=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] BPRX

I am in ...I like the breakout and the fundamentals = ....
Is=20 not realy a WO Stock, since it is below 15 .. and ROI below 17% (its=20 14%).
Huge Volumne 821 against 278 average ...
Good Night and = have a=20 great weekend ...

 
Andreas ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01C15F7A.F0283420-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 28 Oct 2001 09:43:48 -0800 According to the rules as I understand them a B/O has to be on +50% volume. On 10/2 and 10/4 the volume was there but unless I am incorrect the was not a break out due to the price. On the 25th I don't see the volume to constitute a B/O so in my rendition of CANSLIM there has not been a B/O. Please correct my thinking if it is incorrect. Gann Lines, I am interested in learning about that. Does anyone know a good place to start. Thanks, Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:16 PM Ernie: Would you explain how you get a "Gann line target of $49"? I don't see any trendlines that would lead one to 49. jans In a message dated 10/26/2001 4:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com writes: << I am not that concerned about it because I am not in for the long term. Until M proves to be in a sustainable bull I am only looking to make quick trades. My Gann line target for this stock is $49 at this time. Could go higher based on price action. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: [CANSLIM] INDB Date: 28 Oct 2001 09:05:50 -0800 Ran across this stock in my screens. A little thinly traded for me, but a nice C/H I thought, with drying volume on the handle. A little light on revenue growth too........a boring bank stock, but IBD rated 91 92 AAB, A+ overall. Comments? Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Roy" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Daily Graphs Excel Sheet Date: 28 Oct 2001 11:51:49 -0500 Andreas, Thanks for the invitation. I do not subscribe to Daily Graphs. Would you Excel spreadsheet be of any value to me? Roy ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:48 AM > Who of you have subscribed to Daily Graphs? > > If you are interested: I have "programmed" (nothing special) an Excel > Sheet, that combines all reports of them, so you can filter on all > criteria. > > Reply directly to me if you are interested ... > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] C&H & pivot points Date: 28 Oct 2001 11:55:56 -0600 Jans, Thanks, I was sure I read it somewhere. WON states "the correct time to buy the stock is as soon as it trades 1/8 of a point above the peak price in the handle" 24 essential lessons page 46 & 47. -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 10:15 PM Ernie: WON's book, "24 Essential Lessons..." has an explanation of the pivot point (and also a drawing of the C&H and its pivot point) on Pages 45-47. jans In a message dated 10/27/2001 11:08:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com writes: << After being questioned about my selection of a pivot point I have been doing some reading to find what I thought was a pivot point rule. I have usually used the high point of the right rim of the cup as a pivot point for C&H patterns. I don't know if this is something that I have read or just imagined I read because I can't seem to find it in HTMMIS. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 28 Oct 2001 12:08:28 -0600 Charlie, A B/O is a B/O, but if it is not on at least 1.5 ADV the B/O is suspect and prone to failure. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:44 AM According to the rules as I understand them a B/O has to be on +50% volume. On 10/2 and 10/4 the volume was there but unless I am incorrect the was not a break out due to the price. On the 25th I don't see the volume to constitute a B/O so in my rendition of CANSLIM there has not been a B/O. Please correct my thinking if it is incorrect. Gann Lines, I am interested in learning about that. Does anyone know a good place to start. Thanks, Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 7:16 PM Ernie: Would you explain how you get a "Gann line target of $49"? I don't see any trendlines that would lead one to 49. jans In a message dated 10/26/2001 4:24:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com writes: << I am not that concerned about it because I am not in for the long term. Until M proves to be in a sustainable bull I am only looking to make quick trades. My Gann line target for this stock is $49 at this time. Could go higher based on price action. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jack Quinn" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 28 Oct 2001 14:37:32 -0800 How in the world did you settle on LB? *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/28/2001 at 6:30 AM Tom Worley wrote: >Forgot to mention, LB is another of my low priced stocks, closed at $4.43 >on Friday (I'm up nearly 50% on it). > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: CANSLIM > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:08 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview > > > WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES > > The pool of stocks I am reviewing continues to grow, another sign of >improving "M". > > As usual, Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks duration. If I see a >distinctive pattern such as a cup and handle, I will say so. > # means I either own it or have it in my VR fund > > LB - # - b/o Friday on 6X ADV from 2+ week base > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LEHTZ MAKEDOUGH Subject: [CANSLIM] ACTI- Cup with rising handle and 3 gaps to fill? Date: 28 Oct 2001 14:49:58 -0800 (PST) --0-1660681889-1004309398=:99227 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does this look like a cup with rising handle and 3 gaps to fill? I know it will be a momo play, but what about CANSLIM criteria? Nelson Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. --0-1660681889-1004309398=:99227 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Does this look like a cup with rising handle and 3 gaps to fill? I know it will be a momo play, but what about CANSLIM criteria?

Nelson

 



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Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. --0-1660681889-1004309398=:99227-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Charles Cangialosi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] INDB Date: 28 Oct 2001 17:49:45 -0800 I added it to my list. I make the pivot 20.90. Nice find. Of course if I buy it that is the kiss of death, they will be in chapter 11 within an hour after my purchase. Charlie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Perry Stanfield Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:06 AM Ran across this stock in my screens. A little thinly traded for me, but a nice C/H I thought, with drying volume on the handle. A little light on revenue growth too........a boring bank stock, but IBD rated 91 92 AAB, A+ overall. Comments? Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] INDB Date: 28 Oct 2001 15:43:27 -0800 Last Tuesday's high of 21.17 looked to me like the high point in the cup, so I put the pivot at 21.27. I'm guessing you're using Tuesday's close of 20.80........but aren't you supposed to use the high for the day? Perry ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:49 PM > I added it to my list. I make the pivot 20.90. Nice find. Of course if I buy > it that is the kiss of death, they will be in chapter 11 within an hour > after my purchase. > > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Perry Stanfield > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:06 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] INDB > > > Ran across this stock in my screens. A little thinly traded for me, but a > nice C/H I thought, with drying volume on the handle. A little light on > revenue growth too........a boring bank stock, but IBD rated 91 92 AAB, > A+ overall. Comments? > > Perry > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ACTI- Cup with rising handle and 3 gaps to fill? Date: 28 Oct 2001 16:16:12 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C15FCB.DC3BF040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you ignore the fact that they don't make money, not too = bad...........well, actually it is bad................45 66 EBA. Even = for a "momo" play looks extended to me. Just as good of a chance = that it would be a good short play? I see they have a new smartcard = contract; this might be a canslim later down the road. Keep us posted = on how you do if you jump in...... good luck Perry ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LEHTZ MAKEDOUGH=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 2:49 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] ACTI- Cup with rising handle and 3 gaps to fill? Does this look like a cup with rising handle and 3 gaps to fill? I = know it will be a momo play, but what about CANSLIM criteria?=20 Nelson=20 =20 ----- Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C15FCB.DC3BF040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you ignore the fact that they don't = make money,=20 not too bad...........well, actually it is bad................45 66 = EBA. =20 Even for a "momo" play looks extended to = me.     Just=20 as good of a chance that it would be a good short play?  I see they = have a=20 new smartcard contract; this might be a canslim later down the = road.  Keep=20 us posted on how you do if you jump in......
 
good luck
 
Perry
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LEHTZ=20 MAKEDOUGH
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 = 2:49=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] ACTI- Cup = with rising=20 handle and 3 gaps to fill?

Does this look like a cup with rising handle and 3 gaps to fill? I = know it=20 will be a momo play, but what about CANSLIM criteria?=20

Nelson=20





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Make a great connection at Yahoo!=20 Personals. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C15FCB.DC3BF040-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark Clayton" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM appraoch based on M Date: 28 Oct 2001 19:27:25 -0500 Good points here. I have been using these same risk management approaches this year (how can any of us afford not too!). Particularly like the 2x volume threshold for BO's. Better the initial volume on BO, the higher rate of eventual success in following through (avoiding failure). Another approach in managing risk on exit is to sell half of your initial position if the stock trades $.25 below pivot. If price drops back to touch, then penetrate the pivot, my odds have been lower that the BO is valid. If the stock continues to lag below pivot, I will sell the remaining half position within the week, usually. On the other hand, if the stock turns around and heads higher, I am still "in", at least with a small position. If the stock continues to perform well, I have several other points to add additional positions until fully vested. Thanks for sharing your observations. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of esetser Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 9:43 AM 1 - In times of strong M, we want to be aggressive, buying stocks as they move quickly (since they often run away), and holding during short bouts of weakness since they are likely to continue stronger. 2 - In times of weak M, we increase cash by selling, and once we are 100% cash, sit on the sidelines waiting for signals to get back in. I think it's the questionable "M" times that are difficult to handle. In the face of repeated failed follow-through days over the 1 1/2 years, I've begun to adjust my approach to investing in these new rallies. My original approach, was to jump to number 1 above as soon as the FT day occurred. This has cost me significant losses over the last 1 1/2 years. As time has gone on, I've modified my approach in several ways, and I thought I share these with the group and get some feedback on these. These are more evolving ideas than hard rules for me at this point, but I still think they are worth discussing. 1 - After a follow-through day, wait for several break-outs to occur before buying my first position. 2 - Start out with no more than 25% to 50% of my total positions, and wait for further confirmation of success before risking more funds. 3 - Select CANSLIM stocks with stronger overall characteristics, while passing on those with even small flaws: Look for very strong volume on the breakout, preferring at leasat 2X ADV. Look for strong secondary indicators such as ROE, U/D Vol, Cash Flow, etc. Choose only handles that are very high in the cup, maybe 70% or higher. Steer clear of any stock with any significant downside volatility on the right side of the cup. Etc., - I think you get the idea. Let me know what you think. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BPRX Date: 28 Oct 2001 20:44:34 EST Tom, Where do get your profit margin figures? To me, profit margins (I'm dividing the after tax income by operating income) seems to be increasing. jans In a message dated 10/28/2001 6:39:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << EPS ranking is at 80 in part because of the extreme profits of Q4 2000. Those were out of line with other qtrs, so EPS ranking may decline. Latest two quarters also do not show positive comparable profit margins to prior qtrs >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BPRX Date: 28 Oct 2001 21:13:29 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C15FF5.64706BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From DGO. I just look at the sales figures for current qtrs, and compare = them and their earnings to prior qtrs. If I don't see a secondary = offering, then I assume a lower profit margin if earnings are less than = what was made on prior qtrs with equal or higher sales. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Spencer48@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] BPRX Tom, Where do get your profit margin figures? To me, profit margins = (I'm=20 dividing the after tax income by operating income) seems to be = increasing.=20 jans =20 =20 In a message dated 10/28/2001 6:39:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 stkguru@netside.net writes: << EPS ranking is at 80 in part because of the extreme profits of Q4 = 2000.=20 Those were out of line with other qtrs, so EPS ranking may decline. = Latest=20 two quarters also do not show positive comparable profit margins to = prior=20 qtrs >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C15FF5.64706BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From DGO. I just look at the sales figures for = current qtrs,=20 and compare them and their earnings to prior qtrs. If I don't see a = secondary=20 offering, then I assume a lower profit margin if earnings are less than = what was=20 made on prior qtrs with equal or higher sales.
 
Tom Worley
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AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Spencer48@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 = 8:44=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = BPRX

Tom,

     Where do get your = profit=20 margin figures?  To me, profit margins (I'm
dividing the = after tax=20 income by operating income) seems to be increasing.=20

jans   
    

In = a=20 message dated 10/28/2001 6:39:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,
stkguru@netside.net=20 writes:

<< EPS ranking is at 80 in part because of the = extreme=20 profits of Q4 2000.
Those were out of line with other qtrs, so EPS = ranking=20 may decline. Latest
two quarters also do not show positive = comparable=20 profit margins to prior
qtrs >>

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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C15FF5.64706BC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 28 Oct 2001 21:19:58 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C15FF6.4C5336C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, of course, I didn't exactly consider it "settling" for a stock = that has returned nearly 50% in under six months of a most difficult = market.=20 As for how I picked it for my IRA, rather simple. Hitting new highs = (first buy at $2.70), liked its business, liked its y2y and sequential = growth of both sales and earnings, liked its backlog equal to over eight = months of business, and growing. Liked both RS and EPS, along with = Management ownership and a bunch of other stuff important to me. Bottom line, I saw a potential for it to double in a year or less, = that's my final criteria. Like almost all of my stocks, they are not for = most investors, both because of their price, and their liquidity. But = just suits me fine. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jack Quinn=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview How in the world did you settle on LB? *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/28/2001 at 6:30 AM Tom Worley wrote: >Forgot to mention, LB is another of my low priced stocks, closed at = $4.43 >on Friday (I'm up nearly 50% on it). > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Tom Worley=20 > To: CANSLIM=20 > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:08 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview > > > WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES > > The pool of stocks I am reviewing continues to grow, another sign = of >improving "M". > > As usual, Bx means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks duration. If I = see a >distinctive pattern such as a cup and handle, I will say so. > # means I either own it or have it in my VR fund > > LB - # - b/o Friday on 6X ADV from 2+ week base > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C15FF6.4C5336C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, of course, I didn't exactly consider it = "settling" for a=20 stock that has returned nearly 50% in under six months of a most = difficult=20 market.
 
As for how I picked it for my IRA, rather simple. = Hitting new=20 highs (first buy at $2.70), liked its business, liked its y2y and = sequential=20 growth of both sales and earnings, liked its backlog equal to over eight = months=20 of business, and growing. Liked both RS and EPS, along with Management = ownership=20 and a bunch of other stuff important to me.
 
Bottom line, I saw a potential for it to double in a = year or=20 less, that's my final criteria. Like almost all of my stocks, they are = not for=20 most investors, both because of their price, and their liquidity. But = just suits=20 me fine.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jack=20 Quinn
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 = 5:37=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's = Weekend=20 Weeview

How in the world did you settle on = LB?

*********** REPLY=20 SEPARATOR  ***********

On 10/28/2001 at 6:30 AM Tom Worley = wrote:

>Forgot to mention, LB is another of my low priced = stocks,=20 closed at $4.43
>on Friday (I'm up nearly 50% on = it).
>
>Tom=20 Worley
>stkguru@netside.net
>AIM:=20 TexWorley
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- =
> =20 From: Tom Worley
>  To: CANSLIM
>  Sent: = Sunday,=20 October 28, 2001 6:08 AM
>  Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's = Weekend=20 Weeview
>
>
>  WORLEY'S WATCHLIST=20 WANNABES
>
>  The pool of stocks I am reviewing = continues to=20 grow, another sign of
>improving "M".
>
>  As = usual, Bx=20 means a flat line "B"ase of "x" weeks duration. If I see = a
>distinctive=20 pattern such as a cup and handle, I will say so.
>  # means = I=20 either own it or have it in my VR fund
>
>  LB - # - = b/o=20 Friday on 6X ADV from 2+ week base
>
>  Tom=20 Worley
>  stkguru@netside.net
> = AIM:=20 TexWorley
>
>
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C15FF6.4C5336C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: [CANSLIM] Intraday vol inc/dec calculations Date: 28 Oct 2001 21:32:41 -0600 Ask Bill O'Neil If a stock breaks out early in the day, how do you know if the volume will be strong enough? If I wait for volume to go up, I could miss the pivot point by a big margin. - Submitted from Richmond, Canada The best way to overcome this problem is to check the stock's quote on investors.com. The Volume % Change is automatically calculated to project an end-of-day figure. This tells you at any time during the day how strong trading is shaping up compared to the stock's average volume over the past 50 days. Remember, whenever a stock reaches its pivot point, be sure that volume is up at least 50% above average. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Subject: [CANSLIM] Acc/Dis Numbers Date: 01 Oct 2001 22:55:53 -0400 ------ =_NextPart_000_01C14ACC.39B2FDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all. Here are this weeks Acc/Dis Numbers. The market continues to improve. Spread sheet version Date,A,B,C,D,E,% of AB/A:E,%E,Market Posture 10/22/01,415,1787,1236,1284,608,41%,11%,Market in correction 10/23/01,420,1823,1222,1249,619,42%,12%,Market in correction 10/24/01,428,1877,1221,1207,605,43%,11%,Market in correction 10/25/01,427,1902,1241,1168,601,44%,11%,Market in correction 10/26/01,436,1887,1244,1163,605,44%,11%,Market in correction 10/29/01,479,1953,1213,1158,547,45%,10%,Market in correction Robert ------ =_NextPart_000_01C14ACC.39B2FDA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Makara, Tamas" Subject: [CANSLIM] ELTE Date: 29 Oct 2001 09:32:46 +0100 Ian, thanks for your discussion of ELTE in the summer. Seems you were right in assesing the company's potential and now the volume is coming in as well. Tamas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "charles cangialosi" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] INDB Date: 29 Oct 2001 09:19:30 -0500 I think you are right. I am going to reset my pivot point. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 6:43 PM > Last Tuesday's high of 21.17 looked to me like the high point in the cup, so > I put the pivot at 21.27. I'm guessing you're using Tuesday's close of > 20.80........but aren't you supposed to use the high for the day? > > Perry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Cangialosi" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 5:49 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] INDB > > > > I added it to my list. I make the pivot 20.90. Nice find. Of course if I > buy > > it that is the kiss of death, they will be in chapter 11 within an hour > > after my purchase. > > > > Charlie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Perry Stanfield > > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 9:06 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: [CANSLIM] INDB > > > > > > Ran across this stock in my screens. A little thinly traded for me, but > a > > nice C/H I thought, with drying volume on the handle. A little light on > > revenue growth too........a boring bank stock, but IBD rated 91 92 AAB, > > A+ overall. Comments? > > > > Perry > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Neal Frankle Subject: [CANSLIM] dgo vs tc2000 Date: 29 Oct 2001 06:56:48 -0800 Can any comment on the exchangability of TC2000 for DGO? In other words, if I = dump DGO and use TC2000 will I be giving up anything? Thanks, Neal - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: [CANSLIM] INVN is moving Date: 29 Oct 2001 12:39:22 -0800 (PST) INVN is moving well considering it is a down day for M Kent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] INVN is moving Date: 29 Oct 2001 13:03:43 -0800 (PST) And this message was the kiss of death! Kent --- Kent Norman wrote: > INVN is moving well considering it is a down day for > M > > Kent > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bill Triffet" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] INVN is moving Date: 29 Oct 2001 13:45:04 -0800 ----- Original Message ----- > And this message was the kiss of death! > Note to self ... short when Kent makes a positive comment. (g) Don't feel bad - I have the same effect. More that a few of the failed breakouts were ones I had picked! -Bill - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] Market Date: 29 Oct 2001 22:47:09 +0100 Still not a distribution day, since the volumne is drying up, nevertheless: not a great day ... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] INVN is moving Date: 29 Oct 2001 13:45:17 -0800 (PST) I wonder what would happen if I mention Lucent? Kent --- Bill Triffet wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Norman" > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] INVN is moving > > > > And this message was the kiss of death! > > > > Note to self ... short when Kent makes a positive > comment. (g) Don't feel > bad - I have the same effect. More that a few of the > failed breakouts were > ones I had picked! > > -Bill > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] INVN is moving Date: 29 Oct 2001 13:57:49 -0800 You just did! Actually I didn't want to jinx a few on my list that did break out today, so I won't mention them now in case they come back to a reachable price. Tim Fisher OreRockOn - Oregon Rockhounds Online Tim@OreRockOn.com http://OreRockOn.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kent Norman Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:45 PM I wonder what would happen if I mention Lucent? Kent --- Bill Triffet wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kent Norman" > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] INVN is moving > > > > And this message was the kiss of death! > > > > Note to self ... short when Kent makes a positive > comment. (g) Don't feel > bad - I have the same effect. More that a few of the > failed breakouts were > ones I had picked! > > -Bill > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe > canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] dgo vs tc2000 Date: 29 Oct 2001 14:31:35 -0500 I have not used DGO but do use TC2000. I use their PCF's, personal criteria formulas for scanning for CANSLIM charts. It is simplistic to use and I also use it for other chart formations. The software is free, shipping takes about 2 days. Subscribe for 1 month and check it out. DanF ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:56 AM Can any comment on the exchangability of TC2000 for DGO? In other words, if I dump DGO and use TC2000 will I be giving up anything? Thanks, Neal - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: walter hish Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] intro Date: 29 Oct 2001 17:46:51 -0800 Pat, Thanks for the help. Amazon says the book is on the way. Walt Patrick Wahl wrote: > > On 25 Oct 01, at 20:39, walter hish wrote: > > > there is to know about successful investing and taking into > > consideration the few books I've read, the one answer I cannot find is > > why the world stock markets seem to move in unison. Just to big to be a > > co-incidence. Can anyone recommend a book to read to explain this mass > > movement of money. > > Take a look at "Intermarket Technical Analysis" by John Murphy, > he gets into foreign markets, currencies, interest rates and how the > whole mess is tied together. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Maguire Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] dgo vs tc2000 Date: 29 Oct 2001 14:19:42 -0800 Hello Dan... Re,tc2000 Any sites on tc2000.beside the ones on Yahoo.FYI tc2000 are doing classes on there PCF $295 for most of day seminar .. I'm going to on in La Jolla [San Diego area] will let know of any Clan Slim PCF's .. Would yoy be interested in sharing yousr PCF's with the group. Thx... Best , Joe Maguire -San Diego Dan Forant wrote: > I have not used DGO but do use TC2000. I use their PCF's, personal criteria > formulas for scanning for CANSLIM charts. It is simplistic to use and I also > use it for other chart formations. The software is free, shipping takes > about 2 days. Subscribe for 1 month and check it out. > > DanF > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Frankle" > To: "Jeff Salisbury" > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:56 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] dgo vs tc2000 > > Can any comment on the exchangability of TC2000 for DGO? In other words, if > I dump DGO and use TC2000 will I be giving up anything? > > Thanks, > Neal > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: walter hish Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] intro Date: 29 Oct 2001 18:14:17 -0800 Tom, Thanks for the reminder about the 3rd edition of HTMMIS. I called the IBD library to order it and was told to wait untill Dec. untill it came out. Something about Amazon making a mistake. I read the 2nd edition of HTMMIS and 24 Lessions a while back but looks like a good time to review them. Walt - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Sparrow Subject: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Date: 29 Oct 2001 18:53:34 -0500 I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed". I have posted this question to IBD tonight. Can anyone else explain how this works. Is it some kind of new math? I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past eight weeks at least. I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings from one week to the next. Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) the Computer Optical Recogtn was ranked 146. This Friday (10/26/01) that same Industry Group was ranked 11. That is a huge jump until you look at the column labeled "Last Friday". In the October 26 edition of IBD is shows the rank from "Last Friday" as being 5. What is up with this? I'm trying to learn the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for almost two years and read both of WON's books. I'm concerned that the data reported in the paper is inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry groups. Can you explain how this happens. I could just as quickly pointed out another 75 to 80 other examples. They might not be to this degree but the numbers don't match. Should I cancel my subscription and study sothing else. Jerry Sparrow North Carolina Jerry Sparrow, CPA Corporate Controller Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc. ************************************************************************************************** The Firelan(tm) Virus Scanning Service has scanned this email for viruses, vandals and malicious content. http://www.firelan.net ************************************************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lonnie Brauner" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] dgo vs tc2000 Date: 29 Oct 2001 19:25:39 -0600 Please let all of us know how the Advanced Training class goes. We may want to attend in the future! Lonnie -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Maguire Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:20 PM Hello Dan... Re,tc2000 Any sites on tc2000.beside the ones on Yahoo.FYI tc2000 are doing classes on there PCF $295 for most of day seminar .. I'm going to on in La Jolla [San Diego area] will let know of any Clan Slim PCF's .. Would yoy be interested in sharing yousr PCF's with the group. Thx... Best , Joe Maguire -San Diego Dan Forant wrote: > I have not used DGO but do use TC2000. I use their PCF's, personal criteria > formulas for scanning for CANSLIM charts. It is simplistic to use and I also > use it for other chart formations. The software is free, shipping takes > about 2 days. Subscribe for 1 month and check it out. > > DanF > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Frankle" > To: "Jeff Salisbury" > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:56 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] dgo vs tc2000 > > Can any comment on the exchangability of TC2000 for DGO? In other words, if > I dump DGO and use TC2000 will I be giving up anything? > > Thanks, > Neal > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jimfritsch" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Date: 29 Oct 2001 21:05:43 -0500 I haven't verified your info but have had some issues with the group rankings before. Possibly that that the "last friday" rank may be in the monday issue of IBD the next week?, while the friday issue had thursday's rank. Sometimes a group can move up drastically in a short time if it was in a steep downtrend then bases for 4-6 months (I imagine a lot of the groups you find like this spent a fair amount of time in the lowest 25 or so?). The group rankings are for six months and sometimes when a few of the really bad days/weeks for the group from the previous downtrend drop off, along with some decent current gains combined with a significant previous move from the bottom, the group can shoot up bigtime, as for six months its performance is good, while its 9mo 1yr, or even 7mo. performance may be appalling. Thus I've found when the group shoots higher quickly like that it is no guarantee that the group may be super hot. Sometimes when this happens the group will then drop lower than the top 66 as it may continue to be a so-so performer after being socked and with so many stocks off their highs. --jjf ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:53 PM > I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed". I have posted this question to IBD > tonight. Can anyone else explain how this works. Is it some kind of new > math? > > I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past eight weeks > at least. I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings from one week > to the next. Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) the Computer > Optical Recogtn was ranked 146. This Friday (10/26/01) that same Industry > Group was ranked 11. That is a huge jump until you look at the column > labeled "Last Friday". In the October 26 edition of IBD is shows the rank > from "Last Friday" as being 5. What is up with this? I'm trying to learn > the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for almost two years and read > both of WON's books. I'm concerned that the data reported in the paper is > inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry groups. Can you > explain how this happens. I could just as quickly pointed out another 75 to > 80 other examples. They might not be to this degree but the numbers don't > match. Should I cancel my subscription and study sothing else. > > Jerry Sparrow > North Carolina > > Jerry Sparrow, CPA > Corporate Controller > Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc. > > **************************************************************************** ********************** > The Firelan(tm) Virus Scanning Service has scanned this email for viruses, vandals > and malicious content. > http://www.firelan.net > **************************************************************************** ********************** > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Date: 29 Oct 2001 20:31:32 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C160B8.B22D5990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jerry, As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about this exact same = issue to this list during this past summer. I also raised the question = to investors.com and received the following response: "Dear Norman Boyd, Thank you for your e-mail. The reason for the industry group rankings discrepancy in the Monday issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market activity, from that on the web site is that extra calculations are done after the market closes and after the print edition goes to press. Those extra calculations are taken into account on the web site. This issue has been raised before and it is being addressed. Thank you again for writing. Sincerely, Alex, Investor's Business Daily"=20 Evidently it is still being addressed. I find that situation very = disturbing since they push industry group ranks so hard. I too have = given serious thought to changing data sources. "Hot Industry Groups" = can't begin to explain all the discrepancies we have seen. Hopefully = they are watching! Norm ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM > I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed". I have posted this question = to IBD > tonight. Can anyone else explain how this works. Is it some kind of = new > math? >=20 > I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past eight = weeks > at least. I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings from one = week > to the next. Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) the = Computer > Optical Recogtn was ranked 146. This Friday (10/26/01) that same = Industry > Group was ranked 11. That is a huge jump until you look at the column > labeled "Last Friday". In the October 26 edition of IBD is shows the = rank > from "Last Friday" as being 5. What is up with this? I'm trying to = learn > the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for almost two years and = read > both of WON's books. I'm concerned that the data reported in the = paper is > inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry groups. Can = you > explain how this happens. I could just as quickly pointed out another = 75 to > 80 other examples. They might not be to this degree but the numbers = don't > match. Should I cancel my subscription and study sothing else. >=20 > Jerry Sparrow > North Carolina >=20 > Jerry Sparrow, CPA > Corporate Controller > Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc. >=20 > = *************************************************************************= ************************* > The Firelan(tm) Virus Scanning Service has scanned this email for = viruses, vandals > and malicious content. > http://www.firelan.net > = *************************************************************************= ************************* >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C160B8.B22D5990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jerry,
 
As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about this exact = same=20 issue to this list during this past summer.  I also raised the = question to=20 investors.com and received the following response:
 
"Dear Norman Boyd,

Thank you for your=20 e-mail.

The reason for the industry group rankings discrepancy in = the=20 Monday
issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market activity, from = that=20 on
the web site is that extra calculations are done after the market=20 closes
and after the print edition goes to press.  Those extra=20 calculations are
taken into account on the web site.

This = issue has=20 been raised before and it is being addressed.

Thank you again for = writing.

Sincerely,

Alex,
Investor's Business=20 Daily" 
 
Evidently it is still being addressed.  I find that situation = very=20 disturbing since they push industry group ranks so hard.  I too = have given=20 serious thought to changing data sources.  "Hot Industry Groups" = can't=20 begin to explain all the discrepancies we have seen.  Hopefully = they are=20 watching!
 
Norm
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Jerry Sparrow" <jsparrow@Biscuitville.com&g= t;
To: "Canslim Group (E-mail)" <canslim@xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups

> I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed".  I have = posted=20 this question to IBD
> tonight.  Can anyone else explain how = this=20 works.  Is it some kind of new
> math?
>
> I = have been=20 keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past eight weeks
> = at=20 least.  I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings from one = week
> to the next.  Here is just one example; Last Friday = (10/19/01)=20 the Computer
> Optical Recogtn was ranked 146.  This Friday=20 (10/26/01) that same Industry
> Group was ranked 11.  That is = a huge=20 jump until you look at the column
> labeled "Last Friday".  = In the=20 October 26 edition of IBD is shows the rank
> from "Last Friday" = as being=20 5.  What is up with this?  I'm trying to learn
> the = CANSLIM=20 method and have been a subscriber for almost two years and read
> = both of=20 WON's books.  I'm concerned that the data reported in the paper = is
>=20 inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry groups.  = Can=20 you
> explain how this happens.  I could just as quickly = pointed out=20 another 75 to
> 80 other examples.  They might not be to this = degree=20 but the numbers don't
> match.  Should I cancel my = subscription and=20 study sothing else.
>
> Jerry Sparrow
> North=20 Carolina
>
> Jerry Sparrow, CPA
> Corporate=20 Controller
> Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc.
>
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> ------=_NextPart_000_017C_01C160B8.B22D5990-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] C&H B4 Date: 29 Oct 2001 21:59:40 EST --part1_d4.e13b1c4.290f719c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C&H with 4 week base KRSL, FTO, VLO Chris. --part1_d4.e13b1c4.290f719c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit C&H with 4 week base

KRSL,  FTO,  VLO

Chris. --part1_d4.e13b1c4.290f719c_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Date: 29 Oct 2001 21:55:42 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C160C4.74356F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not a great day like I had Friday, still added 0.32% on my fund, but = lost a little on my IRA. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Himmelreich=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:47 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Market Still not a distribution day, since the volumne is drying up, = nevertheless: not a great day ... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C160C4.74356F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not a great day like I had Friday, still added 0.32% = on my=20 fund, but lost a little on my IRA.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andreas = Himmelreich
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 = 4:47=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Market

Still not a distribution day, since the volumne is = drying up,=20 nevertheless: not a great day ...


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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C160C4.74356F40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Forant" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] dgo vs tc2000 Date: 29 Oct 2001 22:35:49 -0500 Lonnie; I use the PCF's at http://www.tradeon.com/tradeon/tc2000/index.html for Canslim. DanF ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:25 PM > Please let all of us know how the Advanced Training class goes. We may want > to attend in the future! > > Lonnie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Joe Maguire > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:20 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] dgo vs tc2000 > > > Hello Dan... Re,tc2000 Any sites on tc2000.beside the ones on Yahoo.FYI > tc2000 > are doing classes on there PCF > $295 for most of day seminar .. I'm going to on in La Jolla [San Diego area] > will let know of any Clan Slim PCF's .. Would yoy be interested in > sharing > yousr PCF's with the group. Thx... Best , Joe Maguire -San Diego > Dan Forant wrote: > > > I have not used DGO but do use TC2000. I use their PCF's, personal > criteria > > formulas for scanning for CANSLIM charts. It is simplistic to use and I > also > > use it for other chart formations. The software is free, shipping takes > > about 2 days. Subscribe for 1 month and check it out. > > > > DanF > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neal Frankle" > > To: "Jeff Salisbury" > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:56 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] dgo vs tc2000 > > > > Can any comment on the exchangability of TC2000 for DGO? In other words, > if > > I dump DGO and use TC2000 will I be giving up anything? > > > > Thanks, > > Neal > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 Oct 2001 11:11:12 +0700 Now TARO looks like it may be building a handle in the upper half of the cup, and is worth keeping an eye on. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Matt & Alicia Leverette" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 29 Oct 2001 22:05:09 -0600 I am new here, but I just ran across AVD. It is very lightly traded, but it looks like a good formation of a C&H. Let me know what you think. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:11 PM > Now TARO looks like it may be building a handle in the upper half of the > cup, and is worth keeping an eye on. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 Oct 2001 11:25:49 +0700 Way too thin for me. Looks like it tried to break out today, but couldn't. At 10:05 PM 10/29/2001 -0600, you wrote: >I am new here, but I just ran across AVD. It is very lightly traded, but >it looks like a good formation of a C&H. > >Let me know what you think. > >Thanks >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Christiansen" >To: >Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:11 PM >Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > Now TARO looks like it may be building a handle in the upper half of the > > cup, and is worth keeping an eye on. > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ELTE Date: 29 Oct 2001 21:14:39 -0800 You're welcome. As I said at the time, I was 3 months early. But that just gave me a chance to pick up some shares at $5. It has made new highs for 5 straight days now - the conference call was a thing of beauty. (I didn't post to the list last Tuesday morning after earnings, since I was derided for bringing it up last time - I figured that anyone who cared had put it on their watch list anyhow). Six months out, they will have $1+ EPS, with 30%+ growth, and bright prospects. They could easily command a P/E of 25+. I'm looking forward to when they hit $15, and the real volume kicks in when true CANSLIMers arrive :) I see that the EPS ranking is already up to 80, and the RS is over 93 now. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:32 AM > Ian, > > thanks for your discussion of ELTE in the summer. Seems you were right in > assesing the company's potential and now the volume is coming in as well. > > Tamas > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Date: 29 Oct 2001 21:18:11 -0800 Today, I was watching: AMRN NEOG ICLR ELTE NHHC CEDC CRDN (very big news - not CANSLIM ... yet) http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=amrn+neog+iclr+elte+nhhc+cedc+crdn&d=v1 It sure didn't feel like a distribution day to me. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:47 PM > Still not a distribution day, since the volumne is drying up, nevertheless: not a great day ... > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] C&H B4 Date: 30 Oct 2001 01:25:13 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C160E1.B98CB900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, I don't see a positive chart on VLO, nor is it even vaguely = CANSLIM. RS 77, EPS 39, and if it just meets full year earnings = forecast, then that means Q4 net will be down about 50% y2y. Both sales = and earnings down in latest qtr, and sales appear stagnant over the past = year. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] C&H B4 C&H with 4 week base=20 KRSL, FTO, VLO=20 Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C160E1.B98CB900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris, I don't see a positive chart on VLO, nor is = it even=20 vaguely CANSLIM. RS 77, EPS 39, and if it just meets full year earnings=20 forecast, then that means Q4 net will be down about 50% y2y. Both sales = and=20 earnings down in latest qtr, and sales appear stagnant over the past=20 year.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Vanchee1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 = 9:59=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] C&H = B4

C&H = with 4 week=20 base

KRSL,  FTO,  VLO

Chris.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00BA_01C160E1.B98CB900-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 Oct 2001 01:29:19 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C160E2.4C367FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see this much more as a double bottom than a c&h Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Christiansen=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:11 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Now TARO looks like it may be building a handle in the upper half of = the=20 cup, and is worth keeping an eye on. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C160E2.4C367FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I see this much more as a double bottom than a=20 c&h
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Christiansen
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 = 11:11=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = TARO

Now TARO looks like it may be building a handle in the = upper=20 half of the
cup, and is worth keeping an eye = on.



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------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C160E2.4C367FC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: AVD (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO) Date: 30 Oct 2001 01:35:58 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C160E3.39ED9A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had this one on my list I posted on Sunday. Not for the faint of = heart, with a average daily volume of only 4,300, it's certainly not = liquid, characteristic of the small and micro caps (float is only 1.1 = million shares). Not the best of c&h, with the handle forming a little = higher than the left rim of the cup. No consensus of forecasts by analysts, so you are on your own there. And = latest results suggest to me that Q3 could show a decline in both = earnings and sales, but I have not analyzed it. Balancing this is a = trailing PE of only 9. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt & Alicia Leverette=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO I am new here, but I just ran across AVD. It is very lightly traded, = but it looks like a good formation of a C&H. Let me know what you think. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Christiansen" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > Now TARO looks like it may be building a handle in the upper half of = the > cup, and is worth keeping an eye on. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C160E3.39ED9A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I had this one on my list I posted on Sunday. Not = for the=20 faint of heart, with a average daily volume of only 4,300, it's = certainly not=20 liquid, characteristic of the small and micro caps (float is only 1.1 = million=20 shares). Not the best of c&h, with the handle forming a little = higher than=20 the left rim of the cup.
 
No consensus of forecasts by analysts, so you are on = your own=20 there. And latest results suggest to me that Q3 could show a decline in = both=20 earnings and sales, but I have not analyzed it. Balancing this is a = trailing PE=20 of only 9.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matt &=20 Alicia Leverette
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 = 11:05=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

I am new here, but I  just ran across AVD.  = It is=20 very lightly traded, but
it looks like a good formation of a=20 C&H.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks
----- = Original=20 Message -----
From: "Peter Christiansen" <peterc@loxinfo.co.th>
To: = <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Monday, October 29, 2001 10:11 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20 TARO


> Now TARO looks like it may be building a handle = in the=20 upper half of the
> cup, and is worth keeping an eye=20 on.
>
>
>
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------=_NextPart_000_00D6_01C160E3.39ED9A00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Date: 30 Oct 2001 01:46:29 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C160E4.B24104A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian, I haven't checked the news yet, but don't see the attraction on CRDN. = Poor chart, and both earnings and sales down substantially for the past = two quarters. Forecast for the full year is a decline in earnings of = 23%. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Today, I was watching: AMRN NEOG ICLR ELTE NHHC CEDC CRDN (very big news - not CANSLIM ... yet) http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=3Damrn+neog+iclr+elte+nhhc+cedc+crdn&d=3Dv1 It sure didn't feel like a distribution day to me. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Himmelreich To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Market > Still not a distribution day, since the volumne is drying up, nevertheless: not a great day ... > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00EE_01C160E4.B24104A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ian,
 
I haven't checked the news yet, but don't see the = attraction=20 on CRDN. Poor chart, and both earnings and sales down substantially for = the past=20 two quarters. Forecast for the full year is a decline in earnings of=20 23%.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 12:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Market

Today, I was=20 watching:

AMRN
NEOG
ICLR
ELTE
NHHC
CEDC
CRDN = (very=20 big news - not CANSLIM ... yet)

http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=3Damrn+neog+iclr+elte+nhhc+cedc+crd= n&d=3Dv1

It=20 sure didn't feel like a distribution day to=20 me.

Ian




----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Andreas Himmelreich <judgejimmy@web.de>
To: = <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Monday, October 29, 2001 1:47 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] = Market


>=20 Still not a distribution day, since the volumne is drying = up,
nevertheless:=20 not a great day ...
>
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Man, I hope you went ahead with this=20 today.     The best gainer in my tech world today=20 (+10%)................Good find.
 
Perry
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 LEHTZ=20 MAKEDOUGH
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 = 2:49=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] ACTI- Cup = with rising=20 handle and 3 gaps to fill?

Does this look like a cup with rising handle and 3 gaps to fill? I = know it=20 will be a momo play, but what about CANSLIM criteria?=20

Nelson=20





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Make a great connection at Yahoo!=20 Personals. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C160CC.D8856420-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] intro Date: 30 Oct 2001 11:53:53 +0100 I like 24 Lessions even much more, its better organized and more to the point ... > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: walter hish [SMTP:walthish@epix.net] > Gesendet am: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:14 AM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] intro > > Tom, > Thanks for the reminder about the 3rd edition of HTMMIS. I called the > IBD library to order it and was told to wait untill Dec. untill it came > out. Something about Amazon making a mistake. I read the 2nd edition of > HTMMIS and 24 Lessions a while back but looks like a good time to review > them. > Walt > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] ELTE Date: 30 Oct 2001 12:14:53 +0100 Ian, "Six months out, they will have $1+ EPS, with 30%+ growth" You mean 1$ EPS per year? Thanx Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Ian [SMTP:ianstm@home.com] > Gesendet am: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:15 AM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] ELTE > > You're welcome. As I said at the time, I was 3 months early. But that just > gave me a chance to pick up some shares at $5. It has made new highs for 5 > straight days now - the conference call was a thing of beauty. (I didn't > post to the list last Tuesday morning after earnings, since I was derided > for bringing it up last time - I figured that anyone who cared had put it on > their watch list anyhow). > > Six months out, they will have $1+ EPS, with 30%+ growth, and bright > prospects. They could easily command a P/E of 25+. I'm looking forward to > when they hit $15, and the real volume kicks in when true CANSLIMers arrive > :) I see that the EPS ranking is already up to 80, and the RS is over 93 > now. > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Makara, Tamas > To: > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:32 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] ELTE > > > > Ian, > > > > thanks for your discussion of ELTE in the summer. Seems you were right in > > assesing the company's potential and now the volume is coming in as well. > > > > Tamas > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Market Date: 30 Oct 2001 12:40:13 +0100 AMRN --> one of my watchlist babies too ... PE 12, Only 2.2 Million Shares, EPS 80, RS 99, ROI 17% ... And a CWH (longer then 7 Weeks, Handle has downtrend, does not sink more then 50% into the handle, Volumne dries up on losing days, nice breakout yesterday on 4 times average Volumne ...) > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Ian [SMTP:ianstm@home.com] > Gesendet am: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:18 AM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Market > > Today, I was watching: > > AMRN > NEOG > ICLR > ELTE > NHHC > CEDC > CRDN (very big news - not CANSLIM ... yet) > > http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=amrn+neog+iclr+elte+nhhc+cedc+crdn&d=v1 > > It sure didn't feel like a distribution day to me. > > Ian > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andreas Himmelreich > To: > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:47 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Market > > > > Still not a distribution day, since the volumne is drying up, > nevertheless: not a great day ... > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Christiansen Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 Oct 2001 19:07:48 +0700 In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally slightly undercut the first.  In this instance, I don't think it fits that description.  Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.

At 01:29 AM 10/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
I see this much more as a double bottom than a c&h
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Christiansen
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:11 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO

Now TARO looks like it may be building a handle in the upper half of the
cup, and is worth keeping an eye on.



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- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Lloyd" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 07:27:37 -0500 Jerry, I've found the same problem and I'm interested in what IBD tells you. John ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 6:53 PM > I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed". I have posted this question to IBD > tonight. Can anyone else explain how this works. Is it some kind of new > math? > > I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past eight weeks > at least. I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings from one week > to the next. Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) the Computer > Optical Recogtn was ranked 146. This Friday (10/26/01) that same Industry > Group was ranked 11. That is a huge jump until you look at the column > labeled "Last Friday". In the October 26 edition of IBD is shows the rank > from "Last Friday" as being 5. What is up with this? I'm trying to learn > the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for almost two years and read > both of WON's books. I'm concerned that the data reported in the paper is > inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry groups. Can you > explain how this happens. I could just as quickly pointed out another 75 to > 80 other examples. They might not be to this degree but the numbers don't > match. Should I cancel my subscription and study sothing else. > > Jerry Sparrow > North Carolina > > Jerry Sparrow, CPA > Corporate Controller > Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc. > > **************************************************************************** ********************** > The Firelan(tm) Virus Scanning Service has scanned this email for viruses, vandals > and malicious content. > http://www.firelan.net > **************************************************************************** ********************** > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Sparrow Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 08:16:39 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16145.1BD6BC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My issues aren't with the differences between what is posted on Friday vs. what is posted on the following Monday. My issues are with the fact that they report one set of ranking this Friday and then next Friday the "Last Friday" column doesn't match. I was getting real concerned when the groups would move a couple of spaces, but irritated as hell when I see one move 141 spaces, to be reported as having a rank from the previous week of 5 instead of what was printed as 146. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:32 PM Hi Jerry, As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about this exact same issue to this list during this past summer. I also raised the question to investors.com and received the following response: "Dear Norman Boyd, Thank you for your e-mail. The reason for the industry group rankings discrepancy in the Monday issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market activity, from that on the web site is that extra calculations are done after the market closes and after the print edition goes to press. Those extra calculations are taken into account on the web site. This issue has been raised before and it is being addressed. Thank you again for writing. Sincerely, Alex, Investor's Business Daily" Evidently it is still being addressed. I find that situation very disturbing since they push industry group ranks so hard. I too have given serious thought to changing data sources. "Hot Industry Groups" can't begin to explain all the discrepancies we have seen. Hopefully they are watching! Norm ----- Original Message ----- > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM > I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed". I have posted this question to IBD > tonight. Can anyone else explain how this works. Is it some kind of new > math? > > I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past eight weeks > at least. I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings from one week > to the next. Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) the Computer > Optical Recogtn was ranked 146. This Friday (10/26/01) that same Industry > Group was ranked 11. That is a huge jump until you look at the column > labeled "Last Friday". In the October 26 edition of IBD is shows the rank > from "Last Friday" as being 5. What is up with this? I'm trying to learn > the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for almost two years and read > both of WON's books. I'm concerned that the data reported in the paper is > inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry groups. Can you > explain how this happens. I could just as quickly pointed out another 75 to > 80 other examples. They might not be to this degree but the numbers don't > match. 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My issues aren't with the differences between what is posted on Friday vs. what is posted on the following Monday.  My issues are with the fact that they report one set of ranking this Friday and then next Friday the "Last Friday" column doesn't match.  I was getting real concerned when the groups would move a couple of spaces, but irritated as hell when I see one move 141 spaces, to be reported as having a rank from the previous week of 5 instead of what was printed as 146.
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman [mailto:theboyd@tisd.net]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:32 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups

Hi Jerry,
 
As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about this exact same issue to this list during this past summer.  I also raised the question to investors.com and received the following response:
 
"Dear Norman Boyd,

Thank you for your e-mail.

The reason for the industry group rankings discrepancy in the Monday
issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market activity, from that on
the web site is that extra calculations are done after the market closes
and after the print edition goes to press.  Those extra calculations are
taken into account on the web site.

This issue has been raised before and it is being addressed.

Thank you again for writing.

Sincerely,

Alex,
Investor's Business Daily" 
 
Evidently it is still being addressed.  I find that situation very disturbing since they push industry group ranks so hard.  I too have given serious thought to changing data sources.  "Hot Industry Groups" can't begin to explain all the discrepancies we have seen.  Hopefully they are watching!
 
Norm
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Sparrow" <jsparrow@Biscuitville.com>
To: "Canslim Group (E-mail)" <canslim@xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups

> I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed".  I have posted this question to IBD
> tonight.  Can anyone else explain how this works.  Is it some kind of new
> math?
>
> I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past eight weeks
> at least.  I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings from one week
> to the next.  Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) the Computer
> Optical Recogtn was ranked 146.  This Friday (10/26/01) that same Industry
> Group was ranked 11.  That is a huge jump until you look at the column
> labeled "Last Friday".  In the October 26 edition of IBD is shows the rank
> from "Last Friday" as being 5.  What is up with this?  I'm trying to learn
> the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for almost two years and read
> both of WON's books.  I'm concerned that the data reported in the paper is
> inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry groups.  Can you
> explain how this happens.  I could just as quickly pointed out another 75 to
> 80 other examples.  They might not be to this degree but the numbers don't
> match.  Should I cancel my subscription and study sothing else.
>
> Jerry Sparrow
> North Carolina
>
> Jerry Sparrow, CPA
> Corporate Controller
> Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc.
>
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C16145.1BD6BC60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 08:26:58 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C1611C.A488ECA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerry, I won't argue that IBD may have a problem here, just from group = discussions on it. But it is important to distinguish between what is = reported in Friday's paper (which is actually, or should be, Thursday's = ranking) and what is used by them as "Last Friday" which I would take to = be Friday's end of day ranking. Has anyone using DGO also been experiencing this? Since I am not a group = follower, I have no first hand experience and rarely look at the lists. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Sparrow=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups My issues aren't with the differences between what is posted on Friday = vs. what is posted on the following Monday. My issues are with the fact = that they report one set of ranking this Friday and then next Friday the = "Last Friday" column doesn't match. I was getting real concerned when = the groups would move a couple of spaces, but irritated as hell when I = see one move 141 spaces, to be reported as having a rank from the = previous week of 5 instead of what was printed as 146. -----Original Message----- From: Norman [mailto:theboyd@tisd.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:32 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Hi Jerry, As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about this exact same = issue to this list during this past summer. I also raised the question = to investors.com and received the following response: "Dear Norman Boyd, Thank you for your e-mail. The reason for the industry group rankings discrepancy in the Monday issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market activity, from that = on the web site is that extra calculations are done after the market = closes and after the print edition goes to press. Those extra calculations = are taken into account on the web site. This issue has been raised before and it is being addressed. Thank you again for writing. Sincerely, Alex, Investor's Business Daily"=20 Evidently it is still being addressed. I find that situation very = disturbing since they push industry group ranks so hard. I too have = given serious thought to changing data sources. "Hot Industry Groups" = can't begin to explain all the discrepancies we have seen. Hopefully = they are watching! Norm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jerry Sparrow" To: "Canslim Group (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups > I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed". I have posted this = question to IBD > tonight. Can anyone else explain how this works. Is it some kind = of new > math? >=20 > I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past = eight weeks > at least. I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings from = one week > to the next. Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) the = Computer > Optical Recogtn was ranked 146. This Friday (10/26/01) that same = Industry > Group was ranked 11. That is a huge jump until you look at the = column > labeled "Last Friday". In the October 26 edition of IBD is shows = the rank > from "Last Friday" as being 5. What is up with this? I'm trying = to learn > the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for almost two years = and read > both of WON's books. I'm concerned that the data reported in the = paper is > inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry groups. = Can you > explain how this happens. I could just as quickly pointed out = another 75 to > 80 other examples. They might not be to this degree but the = numbers don't > match. Should I cancel my subscription and study sothing else. >=20 > Jerry Sparrow > North Carolina >=20 > Jerry Sparrow, CPA > Corporate Controller > Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc. >=20 > = *************************************************************************= ************************* > The Firelan(tm) Virus Scanning Service has scanned this email for = viruses, vandals > and malicious content. > http://www.firelan.net > = *************************************************************************= ************************* >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C1611C.A488ECA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jerry,
 
I won't argue that IBD may have a problem here, just = from=20 group discussions on it. But it is important to distinguish between what = is=20 reported in Friday's paper (which is actually, or should be, Thursday's = ranking)=20 and what is used by them as "Last Friday" which I would take to be = Friday's end=20 of day ranking.
 
Has anyone using DGO also been experiencing this? = Since I am=20 not a group follower, I have no first hand experience and rarely look at = the=20 lists.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry Sparrow
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 8:16=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Industry = Groups

My=20 issues aren't with the differences between what is posted on Friday = vs. what=20 is posted on the following Monday.  My issues are with the fact = that they=20 report one set of ranking this Friday and then next Friday the "Last = Friday"=20 column doesn't match.  I was getting real concerned when the = groups would=20 move a couple of spaces, but irritated as hell when I see one move 141 = spaces,=20 to be reported as having a rank from the previous week of 5 instead of = what=20 was printed as 146.
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman=20 [mailto:theboyd@tisd.net]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 = 9:32=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 Industry Groups

Hi Jerry,
 
As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about this = exact=20 same issue to this list during this past summer.  I also raised = the=20 question to investors.com and received the following response:
 
"Dear Norman Boyd,

Thank you for = your=20 e-mail.

The reason for the industry group rankings = discrepancy in the=20 Monday
issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market activity, = from that=20 on
the web site is that extra calculations are done after the = market=20 closes
and after the print edition goes to press.  Those = extra=20 calculations are
taken into account on the web site.

This = issue=20 has been raised before and it is being addressed.

Thank you = again for=20 writing.

Sincerely,

Alex,
Investor's Business=20 Daily" 
 
Evidently it is still being addressed.  I find that = situation very=20 disturbing since they push industry group ranks so hard.  I too = have=20 given serious thought to changing data sources.  "Hot Industry = Groups"=20 can't begin to explain all the discrepancies we have seen.  = Hopefully=20 they are watching!
 
Norm
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Jerry Sparrow" <jsparrow@Biscuitville.com&g= t;
To: "Canslim Group (E-mail)" <canslim@xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups

> I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed".  I = have=20 posted this question to IBD
> tonight.  Can anyone else = explain=20 how this works.  Is it some kind of new
> math?
> =
>=20 I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past = eight=20 weeks
> at least.  I have noticed a huge descrepency = between=20 rankings from one week
> to the next.  Here is just one = example;=20 Last Friday (10/19/01) the Computer
> Optical Recogtn was = ranked=20 146.  This Friday (10/26/01) that same Industry
> Group = was=20 ranked 11.  That is a huge jump until you look at the = column
>=20 labeled "Last Friday".  In the October 26 edition of IBD is = shows the=20 rank
> from "Last Friday" as being 5.  What is up with=20 this?  I'm trying to learn
> the CANSLIM method and have = been a=20 subscriber for almost two years and read
> both of WON's = books. =20 I'm concerned that the data reported in the paper is
> = inaccurate for=20 trying to track trends with the industry groups.  Can = you
>=20 explain how this happens.  I could just as quickly pointed out = another=20 75 to
> 80 other examples.  They might not be to this = degree but=20 the numbers don't
> match.  Should I cancel my = subscription and=20 study sothing else.
>
> Jerry Sparrow
> North=20 Carolina
>
> Jerry Sparrow, CPA
> Corporate=20 Controller
> Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc.
>
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C1611C.A488ECA0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jerry Sparrow Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 08:41:03 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16148.84782350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You may be on to something. This Friday's rankings are actually the rankings as of the market close on Thursday. Then the rankings that are reported as "Last Friday are actually from the market close on Friday. I'm guessing that in order to truly track the end of week rankings on the Industry Groups, I should use the Monday edition that actually comes in the mail on Saturday. That way I have all of after market effects accounted for. It seems that we may have solved the issue. As we know that IBD is watching over the shoulder of this group, they will probably do a cut and paste and email it back to me as the answer. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:27 AM Jerry, I won't argue that IBD may have a problem here, just from group discussions on it. But it is important to distinguish between what is reported in Friday's paper (which is actually, or should be, Thursday's ranking) and what is used by them as "Last Friday" which I would take to be Friday's end of day ranking. Has anyone using DGO also been experiencing this? Since I am not a group follower, I have no first hand experience and rarely look at the lists. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:16 AM My issues aren't with the differences between what is posted on Friday vs. what is posted on the following Monday. My issues are with the fact that they report one set of ranking this Friday and then next Friday the "Last Friday" column doesn't match. I was getting real concerned when the groups would move a couple of spaces, but irritated as hell when I see one move 141 spaces, to be reported as having a rank from the previous week of 5 instead of what was printed as 146. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:32 PM Hi Jerry, As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about this exact same issue to this list during this past summer. I also raised the question to investors.com and received the following response: "Dear Norman Boyd, Thank you for your e-mail. The reason for the industry group rankings discrepancy in the Monday issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market activity, from that on the web site is that extra calculations are done after the market closes and after the print edition goes to press. Those extra calculations are taken into account on the web site. This issue has been raised before and it is being addressed. Thank you again for writing. Sincerely, Alex, Investor's Business Daily" Evidently it is still being addressed. I find that situation very disturbing since they push industry group ranks so hard. I too have given serious thought to changing data sources. "Hot Industry Groups" can't begin to explain all the discrepancies we have seen. Hopefully they are watching! Norm ----- Original Message ----- > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM > I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed". I have posted this question to IBD > tonight. Can anyone else explain how this works. Is it some kind of new > math? > > I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past eight weeks > at least. I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings from one week > to the next. Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) the Computer > Optical Recogtn was ranked 146. This Friday (10/26/01) that same Industry > Group was ranked 11. That is a huge jump until you look at the column > labeled "Last Friday". In the October 26 edition of IBD is shows the rank > from "Last Friday" as being 5. What is up with this? I'm trying to learn > the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for almost two years and read > both of WON's books. I'm concerned that the data reported in the paper is > inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry groups. Can you > explain how this happens. I could just as quickly pointed out another 75 to > 80 other examples. They might not be to this degree but the numbers don't > match. Should I cancel my subscription and study sothing else. > > Jerry Sparrow > North Carolina > > Jerry Sparrow, CPA > Corporate Controller > Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc. > > **************************************************************************** ********************** > The Firelan(tm) Virus Scanning Service has scanned this email for viruses, vandals > and malicious content. > http://www.firelan.net > **************************************************************************** ********************** > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email " majordomo@xmission.com " > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16148.84782350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
You may be on to something.  This Friday's rankings are actually the rankings as of the market close on Thursday.  Then the rankings that are reported as "Last Friday are actually from the market close on Friday.  I'm guessing that in order to truly track the end of week rankings on the Industry Groups, I should use the Monday edition that actually comes in the mail on Saturday.  That way I have all of after market effects accounted for.  It seems that we may have solved the issue.  As we know that IBD is watching over the shoulder of this group, they will probably do a cut and paste and email it back to me as the answer.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:27 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups

Jerry,
 
I won't argue that IBD may have a problem here, just from group discussions on it. But it is important to distinguish between what is reported in Friday's paper (which is actually, or should be, Thursday's ranking) and what is used by them as "Last Friday" which I would take to be Friday's end of day ranking.
 
Has anyone using DGO also been experiencing this? Since I am not a group follower, I have no first hand experience and rarely look at the lists.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups

My issues aren't with the differences between what is posted on Friday vs. what is posted on the following Monday.  My issues are with the fact that they report one set of ranking this Friday and then next Friday the "Last Friday" column doesn't match.  I was getting real concerned when the groups would move a couple of spaces, but irritated as hell when I see one move 141 spaces, to be reported as having a rank from the previous week of 5 instead of what was printed as 146.
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman [mailto:theboyd@tisd.net]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:32 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups

Hi Jerry,
 
As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about this exact same issue to this list during this past summer.  I also raised the question to investors.com and received the following response:
 
"Dear Norman Boyd,

Thank you for your e-mail.

The reason for the industry group rankings discrepancy in the Monday
issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market activity, from that on
the web site is that extra calculations are done after the market closes
and after the print edition goes to press.  Those extra calculations are
taken into account on the web site.

This issue has been raised before and it is being addressed.

Thank you again for writing.

Sincerely,

Alex,
Investor's Business Daily" 
 
Evidently it is still being addressed.  I find that situation very disturbing since they push industry group ranks so hard.  I too have given serious thought to changing data sources.  "Hot Industry Groups" can't begin to explain all the discrepancies we have seen.  Hopefully they are watching!
 
Norm
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Sparrow" <jsparrow@Biscuitville.com>
To: "Canslim Group (E-mail)" <canslim@xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups

> I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed".  I have posted this question to IBD
> tonight.  Can anyone else explain how this works.  Is it some kind of new
> math?
>
> I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the past eight weeks
> at least.  I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings from one week
> to the next.  Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) the Computer
> Optical Recogtn was ranked 146.  This Friday (10/26/01) that same Industry
> Group was ranked 11.  That is a huge jump until you look at the column
> labeled "Last Friday".  In the October 26 edition of IBD is shows the rank
> from "Last Friday" as being 5.  What is up with this?  I'm trying to learn
> the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for almost two years and read
> both of WON's books.  I'm concerned that the data reported in the paper is
> inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry groups.  Can you
> explain how this happens.  I could just as quickly pointed out another 75 to
> 80 other examples.  They might not be to this degree but the numbers don't
> match.  Should I cancel my subscription and study sothing else.
>
> Jerry Sparrow
> North Carolina
>
> Jerry Sparrow, CPA
> Corporate Controller
> Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc.
>
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Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Sparrow=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups You may be on to something. This Friday's rankings are actually the = rankings as of the market close on Thursday. Then the rankings that are = reported as "Last Friday are actually from the market close on Friday. = I'm guessing that in order to truly track the end of week rankings on = the Industry Groups, I should use the Monday edition that actually comes = in the mail on Saturday. That way I have all of after market effects = accounted for. It seems that we may have solved the issue. As we know = that IBD is watching over the shoulder of this group, they will probably = do a cut and paste and email it back to me as the answer. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:27 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Jerry, I won't argue that IBD may have a problem here, just from group = discussions on it. But it is important to distinguish between what is = reported in Friday's paper (which is actually, or should be, Thursday's = ranking) and what is used by them as "Last Friday" which I would take to = be Friday's end of day ranking. Has anyone using DGO also been experiencing this? Since I am not a = group follower, I have no first hand experience and rarely look at the = lists. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Sparrow=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:16 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups My issues aren't with the differences between what is posted on = Friday vs. what is posted on the following Monday. My issues are with = the fact that they report one set of ranking this Friday and then next = Friday the "Last Friday" column doesn't match. I was getting real = concerned when the groups would move a couple of spaces, but irritated = as hell when I see one move 141 spaces, to be reported as having a rank = from the previous week of 5 instead of what was printed as 146. -----Original Message----- From: Norman [mailto:theboyd@tisd.net] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:32 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Hi Jerry, As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about this exact = same issue to this list during this past summer. I also raised the = question to investors.com and received the following response: "Dear Norman Boyd, Thank you for your e-mail. The reason for the industry group rankings discrepancy in the = Monday issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market activity, from = that on the web site is that extra calculations are done after the = market closes and after the print edition goes to press. Those extra = calculations are taken into account on the web site. This issue has been raised before and it is being addressed. Thank you again for writing. Sincerely, Alex, Investor's Business Daily"=20 Evidently it is still being addressed. I find that situation = very disturbing since they push industry group ranks so hard. I too = have given serious thought to changing data sources. "Hot Industry = Groups" can't begin to explain all the discrepancies we have seen. = Hopefully they are watching! Norm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jerry Sparrow" To: "Canslim Group (E-mail)" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups > I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed". I have posted this = question to IBD > tonight. Can anyone else explain how this works. Is it some = kind of new > math? >=20 > I have been keeping up with Industry Group Rankings for the = past eight weeks > at least. I have noticed a huge descrepency between rankings = from one week > to the next. Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) = the Computer > Optical Recogtn was ranked 146. This Friday (10/26/01) that = same Industry > Group was ranked 11. That is a huge jump until you look at = the column > labeled "Last Friday". In the October 26 edition of IBD is = shows the rank > from "Last Friday" as being 5. What is up with this? I'm = trying to learn > the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for almost two = years and read > both of WON's books. I'm concerned that the data reported in = the paper is > inaccurate for trying to track trends with the industry = groups. Can you > explain how this happens. I could just as quickly pointed out = another 75 to > 80 other examples. They might not be to this degree but the = numbers don't > match. Should I cancel my subscription and study sothing = else. >=20 > Jerry Sparrow > North Carolina >=20 > Jerry Sparrow, CPA > Corporate Controller > Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc. >=20 > = *************************************************************************= ************************* > The Firelan(tm) Virus Scanning Service has scanned this email = for viruses, vandals > and malicious content. > http://www.firelan.net > = *************************************************************************= ************************* >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C16120.676E1580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jerry,
 
You could likely test this theory and see if it = accounts for=20 the differences.
 
BTW, a little paranoia is healthy, especially these = days. But=20 now that you warned them, I expect IBD to skip the cut and paste, and = type a=20 fresh reply!!
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry Sparrow
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 8:41=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Industry = Groups

You=20 may be on to something.  This Friday's rankings are actually the = rankings=20 as of the market close on Thursday.  Then the rankings that are = reported=20 as "Last Friday are actually from the market close on Friday.  = I'm=20 guessing that in order to truly track the end of week rankings on the = Industry=20 Groups, I should use the Monday edition that actually comes in the = mail on=20 Saturday.  That way I have all of after market effects accounted=20 for.  It seems that we may have solved the issue.  As we = know that=20 IBD is watching over the shoulder of this group, they will probably do = a cut=20 and paste and email it back to me as the answer.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley=20 [mailto:stkguru@netside.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, = 2001 8:27=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 Industry Groups

Jerry,
 
I won't argue that IBD may have a problem here, = just from=20 group discussions on it. But it is important to distinguish between = what is=20 reported in Friday's paper (which is actually, or should be, = Thursday's=20 ranking) and what is used by them as "Last Friday" which I would = take to be=20 Friday's end of day ranking.
 
Has anyone using DGO also been experiencing = this? Since I=20 am not a group follower, I have no first hand experience and rarely = look at=20 the lists.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Jerry Sparrow
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, = 2001 8:16=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Industry=20 Groups

My issues aren't with the differences between what is = posted on=20 Friday vs. what is posted on the following Monday.  My issues = are=20 with the fact that they report one set of ranking this Friday and = then=20 next Friday the "Last Friday" column doesn't match.  I was = getting=20 real concerned when the groups would move a couple of spaces, but=20 irritated as hell when I see one move 141 spaces, to be reported = as having=20 a rank from the previous week of 5 instead of what was printed as=20 146.
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman=20 [mailto:theboyd@tisd.net]
Sent: Monday, October 29, = 2001 9:32=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] Industry Groups

Hi Jerry,
 
As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about = this exact=20 same issue to this list during this past summer.  I also = raised the=20 question to investors.com and received the following = response:
 
"Dear Norman Boyd,

Thank you = for your=20 e-mail.

The reason for the industry group rankings = discrepancy in=20 the Monday
issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market = activity,=20 from that on
the web site is that extra calculations are done = after=20 the market closes
and after the print edition goes to = press. =20 Those extra calculations are
taken into account on the web=20 site.

This issue has been raised before and it is being=20 addressed.

Thank you again for=20 writing.

Sincerely,

Alex,
Investor's Business=20 Daily" 
 
Evidently it is still being addressed.  I find that = situation=20 very disturbing since they push industry group ranks so = hard.  I=20 too have given serious thought to changing data sources.  = "Hot=20 Industry Groups" can't begin to explain all the discrepancies we = have=20 seen.  Hopefully they are watching!
 
Norm
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Jerry Sparrow" <jsparrow@Biscuitville.com&g= t;
To: "Canslim Group (E-mail)" <canslim@xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups

> I bet you thought I had = "unsubscribed".  I have=20 posted this question to IBD
> tonight.  Can anyone = else=20 explain how this works.  Is it some kind of new
>=20 math?
>
> I have been keeping up with Industry = Group=20 Rankings for the past eight weeks
> at least.  I have = noticed=20 a huge descrepency between rankings from one week
> to the = next.  Here is just one example; Last Friday (10/19/01) the = Computer
> Optical Recogtn was ranked 146.  This = Friday=20 (10/26/01) that same Industry
> Group was ranked 11.  = That is=20 a huge jump until you look at the column
> labeled "Last=20 Friday".  In the October 26 edition of IBD is shows the=20 rank
> from "Last Friday" as being 5.  What is up = with=20 this?  I'm trying to learn
> the CANSLIM method and = have been=20 a subscriber for almost two years and read
> both of WON's = books.  I'm concerned that the data reported in the paper=20 is
> inaccurate for trying to track trends with the = industry=20 groups.  Can you
> explain how this happens.  I = could=20 just as quickly pointed out another 75 to
> 80 other=20 examples.  They might not be to this degree but the numbers = don't
> match.  Should I cancel my subscription and = study=20 sothing else.
>
> Jerry Sparrow
> North=20 Carolina
>
> Jerry Sparrow, CPA
> Corporate=20 Controller
> Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc.
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------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C16120.676E1580-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 06:59:42 -0800 (PST) Be sure to advise them to respect your copy rights. ;-) Kent --- Jerry Sparrow wrote: > You may be on to something. This Friday's rankings > are actually the > rankings as of the market close on Thursday. Then > the rankings that are > reported as "Last Friday are actually from the > market close on Friday. I'm > guessing that in order to truly track the end of > week rankings on the > Industry Groups, I should use the Monday edition > that actually comes in the > mail on Saturday. That way I have all of after > market effects accounted > for. It seems that we may have solved the issue. > As we know that IBD is > watching over the shoulder of this group, they will > probably do a cut and > paste and email it back to me as the answer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:27 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups > > > Jerry, > > I won't argue that IBD may have a problem here, just > from group discussions > on it. But it is important to distinguish between > what is reported in > Friday's paper (which is actually, or should be, > Thursday's ranking) and > what is used by them as "Last Friday" which I would > take to be Friday's end > of day ranking. > > Has anyone using DGO also been experiencing this? > Since I am not a group > follower, I have no first hand experience and rarely > look at the lists. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry Sparrow > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:16 AM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups > > My issues aren't with the differences between what > is posted on Friday vs. > what is posted on the following Monday. My issues > are with the fact that > they report one set of ranking this Friday and then > next Friday the "Last > Friday" column doesn't match. I was getting real > concerned when the groups > would move a couple of spaces, but irritated as hell > when I see one move 141 > spaces, to be reported as having a rank from the > previous week of 5 instead > of what was printed as 146. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman [mailto:theboyd@tisd.net] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 9:32 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups > > > Hi Jerry, > > As you may have noticed, I posted my concerns about > this exact same issue to > this list during this past summer. I also raised > the question to > investors.com and received the following response: > > "Dear Norman Boyd, > > Thank you for your e-mail. > > The reason for the industry group rankings > discrepancy in the Monday > issue of the paper, reflecting Friday's market > activity, from that on > the web site is that extra calculations are done > after the market closes > and after the print edition goes to press. Those > extra calculations are > taken into account on the web site. > > This issue has been raised before and it is being > addressed. > > Thank you again for writing. > > Sincerely, > > Alex, > Investor's Business Daily" > > Evidently it is still being addressed. I find that > situation very > disturbing since they push industry group ranks so > hard. I too have given > serious thought to changing data sources. "Hot > Industry Groups" can't begin > to explain all the discrepancies we have seen. > Hopefully they are watching! > > Norm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Sparrow" < jsparrow@Biscuitville.com > > > To: "Canslim Group (E-mail)" < canslim@xmission.com > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 5:53 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups > > > I bet you thought I had "unsubscribed". I have > posted this question to > IBD > > tonight. Can anyone else explain how this works. > Is it some kind of new > > math? > > > > I have been keeping up with Industry Group > Rankings for the past eight > weeks > > at least. I have noticed a huge descrepency > between rankings from one > week > > to the next. Here is just one example; Last > Friday (10/19/01) the > Computer > > Optical Recogtn was ranked 146. This Friday > (10/26/01) that same Industry > > Group was ranked 11. That is a huge jump until > you look at the column > > labeled "Last Friday". In the October 26 edition > of IBD is shows the rank > > from "Last Friday" as being 5. What is up with > this? I'm trying to learn > > the CANSLIM method and have been a subscriber for > almost two years and > read > > both of WON's books. I'm concerned that the data > reported in the paper is > > inaccurate for trying to track trends with the > industry groups. Can you > > explain how this happens. I could just as quickly > pointed out another 75 > to > > 80 other examples. They might not be to this > degree but the numbers don't > > match. Should I cancel my subscription and study > sothing else. > > > > Jerry Sparrow > > North Carolina > > > > Jerry Sparrow, CPA > > Corporate Controller > > Biscuitville Restaurants, Inc. > > > > > **************************************************************************** > ********************** > > The Firelan(tm) Virus Scanning Service has scanned > this email for viruses, > vandals > > and malicious content. > > http://www.firelan.net > > > **************************************************************************** > ********************** > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email " > majordomo@xmission.com > " > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ELTE Date: 30 Oct 2001 07:51:19 -0800 Yes. ttm EPS will be $1 after the next 2 Q's. They already have the backlog. Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:14 AM > Ian, > > "Six months out, they will have $1+ EPS, with 30%+ growth" > > You mean 1$ EPS per year? > > Thanx > > Andreas > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Ian [SMTP:ianstm@home.com] > > Gesendet am: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:15 AM > > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] ELTE > > > > You're welcome. As I said at the time, I was 3 months early. But that just > > gave me a chance to pick up some shares at $5. It has made new highs for 5 > > straight days now - the conference call was a thing of beauty. (I didn't > > post to the list last Tuesday morning after earnings, since I was derided > > for bringing it up last time - I figured that anyone who cared had put it on > > their watch list anyhow). > > > > Six months out, they will have $1+ EPS, with 30%+ growth, and bright > > prospects. They could easily command a P/E of 25+. I'm looking forward to > > when they hit $15, and the real volume kicks in when true CANSLIMers arrive > > :) I see that the EPS ranking is already up to 80, and the RS is over 93 > > now. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Makara, Tamas > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:32 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] ELTE > > > > > > > Ian, > > > > > > thanks for your discussion of ELTE in the summer. Seems you were right in > > > assesing the company's potential and now the volume is coming in as well. > > > > > > Tamas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Date: 30 Oct 2001 08:35:23 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_022A_01C1611D.D1646CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom: I absolutely agree. But the 'news' adds 50% to revenue and possible much = more. It is for ceramic body armour for the military. You will need to = wait until Q1 2001 earnings before seeing any evidence of it. It is = definitely a wait-and-see-looking-for-volume stock. My point was that I was seeing a lot of huge gains yesterday. The bulls = were still running, but they were being selective. The window dressing = in the NASDAQ-100 and DOW may be over, but I haven't given't up on = everything else yet. AMRN is still exceptionally strong today. Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Hi Ian, I haven't checked the news yet, but don't see the attraction on CRDN. = Poor chart, and both earnings and sales down substantially for the past = two quarters. Forecast for the full year is a decline in earnings of = 23%. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market Today, I was watching: AMRN NEOG ICLR ELTE NHHC CEDC CRDN (very big news - not CANSLIM ... yet) = http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=3Damrn+neog+iclr+elte+nhhc+cedc+crdn&d=3Dv1 It sure didn't feel like a distribution day to me. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Himmelreich To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:47 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Market > Still not a distribution day, since the volumne is drying up, nevertheless: not a great day ... > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_022A_01C1611D.D1646CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom:
 
I absolutely agree. But the 'news' adds 50% to = revenue and=20 possible much more. It is for ceramic body armour for the military. You = will=20 need to wait until Q1 2001 earnings before seeing any evidence of it. It = is=20 definitely a wait-and-see-looking-for-volume stock.
 
My point was that I was seeing a lot of huge gains = yesterday.=20 The bulls were still running, but they were being selective. The window = dressing=20 in the NASDAQ-100 and DOW may be over, but I haven't given't up on = everything=20 else yet.
 
AMRN is still exceptionally strong = today.
 
Cheers,
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 = 10:46=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Market

Hi Ian,
 
I haven't checked the news yet, but don't see the = attraction=20 on CRDN. Poor chart, and both earnings and sales down substantially = for the=20 past two quarters. Forecast for the full year is a decline in earnings = of=20 23%.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, = 2001 12:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = Market

Today, I was=20 = watching:

AMRN
NEOG
ICLR
ELTE
NHHC
CEDC
CRDN = (very=20 big news - not CANSLIM ... yet)

http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=3Damrn+neog+iclr+elte+nhhc+cedc+crd= n&d=3Dv1

It=20 sure didn't feel like a distribution day to=20 me.

Ian




----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 Andreas Himmelreich <judgejimmy@web.de>
To: = <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Monday, October 29, 2001 1:47 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM]=20 Market


> Still not a distribution day, since the = volumne is=20 drying up,
nevertheless: not a great day = ...
>
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------=_NextPart_000_022A_01C1611D.D1646CD0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mcjass" Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 15:14:34 -0800 A little different problem but on the same subject matter. Here's an email from DGO. I was trying to see if Friday's DGO's Industry Group RS Rating lined up with the Industry Group List in Monday's paper. It seems even their internal data does not match. If it's all the same database, I'm having a hard time understanding why there are ANY differences. How can we sort the same report and get different listings? Sounds like backtracking which just confuses me more. ----- Original Message ----- ] > Date : 10/28/01 2:27 PM > > > Thank you for your email. > The 10/26 Friday update of Daily Graphs Online Top Industry Group Report > shows, > > MEDICAL-OUTPNT/HM CARE group's rank at 7 > > MEDICAL/DENTAL/SERV group's rank at 9 > > MEDICAL/DENTAL-SUPPLIES group's rank at 15 > > POLLUTION CONTROL-SVS group's rank at 28 > > First, make sure that your Daily Graphs Online report is correctly > updated. The report should stay at the bottom that "Top Industry Groups > - 100 Groups Selected On 10/26/2001". > > The Investor's Business Daily is printed in the afternoon not long after > the market closes and all the closing prices and volume information has > been received. For example, Monday edition of the newspaper is printed > in the Friday afternoon after market close. > > We receive another feed in the evening which includes the final price > and volume data for that day's trading. This feed includes price or > volume data that may have been corrected or adjusted after the market > close and we use it to perform a final update to the database. > > Since our entire database is updated using this final feed, you may > notice differences between the Investor's Business daily newspaper and > Daily Graphs Online. In another words, the discrepancies you noted may > be due to this printing deadline and the timing of the final update to > the online database. > > Feel free to contact us if you have any questions or if we can assist > you in any way. > > Best regards, > > Angela > > Daily Graphs Online > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Industry Groups > > Hi - > > Shouldn't the listing of the Industry Group RS Rating from Friday match > the listing in Monday's paper? When I sort by Group RS from Friday's > report, the listing does not match. > > As an example, Monday's paper shows: > > - Medical-Outpnt/Hm Care is listed as Number 5 but Friday's report shows > it as 8; > > - Medical/Dental/Serv is listed as Number 14 but Friday's report shows > it as 10; > > - Medical/Dental-Supplies is listed as Number 11 but Friday's report > shows it as 16. > > - Pollution Control-Svs is listed as Number 22 but Friday's report shows > it as 28. > > Thank you for your assistance. > Chris McShaffrey - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 19:24:35 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C16178.82EE2720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, As I understand this answer from DGO, even the Monday edition of IBD is = not fully updated. Therefore the only way to get a "valid" list of = industry groups is from DGO, and then only after the late day second = price and volume feed is received and processed (e.g. download the list = on Saturday). I seriously doubt that the IBD subscribers can gang up and demand that = IBD delay the printing of the Monday paper (for example on Saturday) to = ensure that the list they publish is, in fact, a "final" list. But if I = were a subscriber, I would certainly be upset that they are publishing = what is, in effect, a preliminary list, but not so labeling it. Maybe if = they get enough complaints and/or lost subscriptions, they will find a = way to cure this and provide an "official" group ranking as of Friday's = close of business, say in the Tuesday edition, that would agree with = DGO. Or, in the meantime, get permission from DGO for one of us to = publish DGO's final list here until they fix the problem. That way you = would have the weekend to work on it. I would suggest to IBD subscribers that are trying to get max value out = of the paper's industry groups lists, to use a day other than Friday if = it's published daily, at least then the week to week comparisons should = be comparable. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mcjass=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Industry Groups A little different problem but on the same subject matter. Here's an = email from DGO. I was trying to see if Friday's DGO's Industry Group RS = Rating lined up with the Industry Group List in Monday's paper. It seems = even their internal data does not match. If it's all the same database, = I'm having a hard time understanding why there are ANY differences. How = can we sort the same report and get different listings? Sounds like = backtracking which just confuses me more. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ] > Date : 10/28/01 2:27 PM > > > Thank you for your email. > The 10/26 Friday update of Daily Graphs Online Top Industry Group = Report > shows, > > MEDICAL-OUTPNT/HM CARE group's rank at 7 > > MEDICAL/DENTAL/SERV group's rank at 9 > > MEDICAL/DENTAL-SUPPLIES group's rank at 15 > > POLLUTION CONTROL-SVS group's rank at 28 > > First, make sure that your Daily Graphs Online report is correctly > updated. The report should stay at the bottom that "Top Industry = Groups > - 100 Groups Selected On 10/26/2001". > > The Investor's Business Daily is printed in the afternoon not long = after > the market closes and all the closing prices and volume information = has > been received. For example, Monday edition of the newspaper is = printed > in the Friday afternoon after market close. > > We receive another feed in the evening which includes the final = price > and volume data for that day's trading. This feed includes price or > volume data that may have been corrected or adjusted after the = market > close and we use it to perform a final update to the database. > > Since our entire database is updated using this final feed, you may > notice differences between the Investor's Business daily newspaper = and > Daily Graphs Online. In another words, the discrepancies you noted = may > be due to this printing deadline and the timing of the final update = to > the online database. > > Feel free to contact us if you have any questions or if we can = assist > you in any way. > > Best regards, > > Angela > > Daily Graphs Online > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Industry Groups > > Hi - > > Shouldn't the listing of the Industry Group RS Rating from Friday = match > the listing in Monday's paper? When I sort by Group RS from = Friday's > report, the listing does not match. > > As an example, Monday's paper shows: > > - Medical-Outpnt/Hm Care is listed as Number 5 but Friday's report = shows > it as 8; > > - Medical/Dental/Serv is listed as Number 14 but Friday's report = shows > it as 10; > > - Medical/Dental-Supplies is listed as Number 11 but Friday's report > shows it as 16. > > - Pollution Control-Svs is listed as Number 22 but Friday's report = shows > it as 28. > > Thank you for your assistance. > Chris McShaffrey - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C16178.82EE2720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
 
As I understand this answer from DGO, even the = Monday edition=20 of IBD is not fully updated. Therefore the only way to get a "valid" = list of=20 industry groups is from DGO, and then only after the late day second = price and=20 volume feed is received and processed (e.g. download the list on=20 Saturday).
 
I seriously doubt that the IBD subscribers can gang = up and=20 demand that IBD delay the printing of the Monday paper (for example on = Saturday)=20 to ensure that the list they publish is, in fact, a "final" list. But if = I were=20 a subscriber, I would certainly be upset that they are publishing what = is, in=20 effect, a preliminary list, but not so labeling it. Maybe if they get = enough=20 complaints and/or lost subscriptions, they will find a way to cure this = and=20 provide an "official" group ranking as of Friday's close of business, = say in the=20 Tuesday edition, that would agree with DGO. Or, in the meantime, get = permission=20 from DGO for one of us to publish DGO's final list here until they fix = the=20 problem. That way you would have the weekend to work on it.
 
I would suggest to IBD subscribers that are trying = to get max=20 value out of the paper's industry groups lists, to use a day other than = Friday=20 if it's published daily, at least then the week to week comparisons = should be=20 comparable.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mcjass
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 6:14=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: = (CANSLIM) Industry=20 Groups

A little different problem but on the same subject=20 matter.  Here's an email
from DGO.  I was trying to see = if =20 Friday's DGO's Industry Group RS Rating
lined up with the Industry = Group=20 List in Monday's paper.  It seems even
their internal data = does not=20 match.  If it's all the same database, I'm
having a hard time=20 understanding why there are ANY differences.  How can we
sort = the same=20 report and get different listings?  Sounds like = backtracking
which=20 just confuses me more.


----- Original Message = -----
From: <Custserv@dailygraphs.com>=
To:=20 <mcjass@bigbear.net>
]

>=20 Date : 10/28/01 2:27 PM
>
>
> Thank you for your=20 email.

> The 10/26 Friday update of Daily Graphs Online Top = Industry=20 Group Report
> shows,
>
> MEDICAL-OUTPNT/HM CARE = group's=20 rank at 7
>
> MEDICAL/DENTAL/SERV group's rank at=20 9
>
> MEDICAL/DENTAL-SUPPLIES group's rank at = 15
>
>=20 POLLUTION CONTROL-SVS group's rank at 28
>
> First, make = sure that=20 your Daily Graphs Online report is correctly
> updated.  = The report=20 should stay at the bottom that "Top Industry Groups
> - 100 = Groups=20 Selected On 10/26/2001".
>
> The Investor's Business Daily = is=20 printed in the afternoon not long after
> the market closes and = all the=20 closing prices and volume information has
> been received.  = For=20 example, Monday edition of the newspaper is printed
> in the = Friday=20 afternoon after market close.
>
> We receive another feed = in the=20 evening which includes the final price
> and volume data for = that day's=20 trading. This feed includes price or
> volume data that may have = been=20 corrected or adjusted after the market
> close and we use it to = perform=20 a final update to the database.
>
> Since our entire = database is=20 updated using this final feed, you may
> notice differences = between the=20 Investor's Business daily newspaper and
> Daily Graphs Online. = In=20 another words, the discrepancies you noted may
> be due to this = printing=20 deadline and the timing of the final update to
> the online=20 database.
>
> Feel free to contact us if you have any = questions or=20 if we can assist
> you in any way.
>
> Best=20 regards,
>
> Angela
>
> Daily Graphs = Online
>=20 -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Industry = Groups
>
> Hi=20 -
>
> Shouldn't the listing of the Industry Group RS = Rating from=20 Friday match
> the listing in Monday's paper?  When I sort = by Group=20 RS from Friday's
> report, the listing does not = match.
>
>=20 As an example, Monday's paper shows:
>
> - = Medical-Outpnt/Hm Care=20 is listed as Number 5 but Friday's report shows
> it as=20 8;
>
> - Medical/Dental/Serv is listed as Number 14 but = Friday's=20 report shows
> it as 10;
>
> - = Medical/Dental-Supplies is=20 listed as Number 11 but Friday's report
> shows it as=20 16.
>
> - Pollution Control-Svs is listed as Number 22 but = Friday's report shows
> it as 28.
>
> Thank you for = your=20 assistance.

> Chris McShaffrey



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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C16178.82EE2720-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 Oct 2001 19:54:07 EST In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally slightly undercut the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< Peter: I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed a very nice double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd bottom was in late September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late September, and also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. Presently, TARO seems to be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when meeting the same level as the W formation's apex. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 20:02:03 EST Tom: I'd be interested in hearing the reason(s) that you aren't a group (I imagine you are referring to the DG and IBD's industry ratings) follower. Shouldn't the industry's economic outlook (even if you don't pay attention to the rating of the industry) influence whether or not to purchase a the stock in that industry? In a message dated 10/30/2001 8:32:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, stkguru@netside.net writes: << ...Since I am not a group follower, I have no first hand experience and rarely look at the lists. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 Oct 2001 20:08:52 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1617E.B24F4E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Note also that the completion of the "W" places it not only over both = the 200 and 50 DMA, but very close to latest highs, suggesting very = little overhead resistance remaining in its recovery. I am presuming that Peter's objection was that the second bottom was = more than a "slight" undercut of the first bottom. I don't see that as a = problem, especially given the overall impact of the 9/11 attacks. If the = objection was other than this, then I don't get his point. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Spencer48@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally slightly = undercut the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< =20 Peter:=20 I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed a very = nice=20 double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd bottom was = in late=20 September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late = September, and=20 also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. Presently, TARO = seems to=20 be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when meeting the = same level=20 as the W formation's apex. jans =20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1617E.B24F4E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Note also that the completion of the "W" places it = not only=20 over both the 200 and 50 DMA, but very close to latest highs, suggesting = very=20 little overhead resistance remaining in its recovery.
 
I am presuming that Peter's objection was that the = second=20 bottom was more than a "slight" undercut of the first bottom. I don't = see that=20 as a problem, especially given the overall impact of the 9/11 attacks. = If the=20 objection was other than this, then I don't get his point.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Spencer48@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 7:54=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern = Standard Time,=20
peterc@loxinfo.co.th=20 writes:

<< In a double bottom, the second bottom should = ideally=20 slightly undercut
 the first.  In this instance, I don't = think it=20 fits that
 description.  Anyway, double bottoms form = handles=20 too.<<
 
Peter:

     I'm = not sure=20 where you're looking, but to me TARO formed a very nice
double=20 bottom:  The first bottom was in August and the 2nd bottom was in = late=20
September.  Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late=20 September, and
also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first = bottom. =20 Presently, TARO seems to
be making a handle on light volume-after = stalling=20 when meeting the same level
as the W formation's=20 apex.

jans  

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-To subscribe/unsubscribe, = email=20 "majordomo@xmission.com"
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-"unsubscribe = canslim". =20 Do not use quotes in your email.
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I have found over the years the market and its complexities are far more challenging and rewarding than just about anything else and so, as of July of this year am trading/investing full time. While I have learned many lessons along the way, not a day goes by that Mr. Market doesn't offer up something new! I am looking forward to sharing ideas with and learning from each of you. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Kruger Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 17:18:46 -0800 (PST) Maybe IBD/DGO ought to spend a little more on computers and a little less on lawyers? John --- Tom Worley wrote: > Chris, > > As I understand this answer from DGO, even the Monday edition of IBD > is not fully updated. Therefore the only way to get a "valid" list of > industry groups is from DGO, and then only after the late day second > price and volume feed is received and processed (e.g. download the > list on Saturday). > > I seriously doubt that the IBD subscribers can gang up and demand > that IBD delay the printing of the Monday paper (for example on > Saturday) to ensure that the list they publish is, in fact, a "final" > list. But if I were a subscriber, I would certainly be upset that > they are publishing what is, in effect, a preliminary list, but not > so labeling it. Maybe if they get enough complaints and/or lost > subscriptions, they will find a way to cure this and provide an > "official" group ranking as of Friday's close of business, say in the > Tuesday edition, that would agree with DGO. Or, in the meantime, get > permission from DGO for one of us to publish DGO's final list here > until they fix the problem. That way you would have the weekend to > work on it. > > I would suggest to IBD subscribers that are trying to get max value > out of the paper's industry groups lists, to use a day other than > Friday if it's published daily, at least then the week to week > comparisons should be comparable. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Williams, Bob" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 Oct 2001 19:20:53 -0600 I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt out" the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? It doesn't look like volume is "drying up." Bob Williams EDS Systems California Medi-Cal phone: (916) 861-1861 fax: (916) 636-1002 cell: (916) 804-6803 > -----Original Message----- > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally > slightly undercut > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< > > Peter: > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed > a very nice > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd > bottom was in late > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late > September, and > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. > Presently, TARO seems to > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when > meeting the same level > as the W formation's apex. > > jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Intro: Katherine Malm Date: 30 Oct 2001 20:26:37 EST --part1_23.139edf9f.2910ad4d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome, Katherine. Were, all here to share, learn and make $. Input and feedback positive or negitive is always welcome. Chris. --part1_23.139edf9f.2910ad4d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome, Katherine.

Were, all here to share, learn and make $.

Input and feedback positive or negitive is always welcome.

Chris. --part1_23.139edf9f.2910ad4d_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 20:26:13 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C16181.1EF60680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I never have used the strength of an industry group as one of my = selection criteria. I do pay attention to it, once I find an individual = stock that I like. And I will occasionally browse thru other stocks of = the same group, especially when I find myself finding more than one = stock in the same or similar group. But I am much more focused on = individual performance. A strong stock, whether in a weak or strong = group, that has definable reasons for not only being strong, but = remaining strong, has always been my objective. I do pay attention to the outlook for a particular industry, that's = where my personal bent for economics plays in. Right now, for instance, = the oil industry and the auto industry hold little appeal for me. = Likewise the travel and entertainment and airline industries. It's just = that I start by finding strong stocks rather than strong industry = groups. This suits my style since I prefer to find stocks before they = become household names held by every major institutional investor. I recognize that a strong stock in a very weak group can be held back = price wise by the group, but if I am correct that the stock will remain = strong, and for fundamental reasons, in time it will break out anyway. = And I am patient, usually, tho kicking myself pretty hard right now on = AFAM and ELTE big time. Can't believe I lost faith in both of them. And to be honest, it undoubtedly has a lot to do with my personality, as = I much prefer to be off by myself doing my thing than being in the = middle of the pack following the crowd. By the time a group of stocks is = really strong, it has usually become something of a herd mentality. I = did go thru a period early in my CANSLIM years, after seeing a quote = from WON that a group that reaches the top 40 has only made one third of = its move. So I tried to anticipate that, figuring that two thirds of a = move was still pretty good, and started looking at the groups moving up = strongly from the top 100 towards the top 40, looked at the top stocks = in each group, and after months of this just was not excited by what I = kept finding. Most were already extended or trading at high premiums. So = I went back to looking for strong stocks rather than strong groups. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Spencer48@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry Groups Tom: I'd be interested in hearing the reason(s) that you aren't a = group (I=20 imagine you are referring to the DG and IBD's industry ratings) = follower. =20 Shouldn't the industry's economic outlook (even if you don't pay = attention to=20 the rating of the industry) influence whether or not to purchase a the = stock=20 in that industry? In a message dated 10/30/2001 8:32:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 stkguru@netside.net writes: << ...Since I am not a group follower, I have no first hand experience = and=20 rarely look at the lists. >> ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C16181.1EF60680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I never have used the strength of an industry group = as one of=20 my selection criteria. I do pay attention to it, once I find an = individual stock=20 that I like. And I will occasionally browse thru other stocks of the = same group,=20 especially when I find myself finding more than one stock in the same or = similar=20 group.  But I am much more focused on individual performance. A = strong=20 stock, whether in a weak or strong group, that has definable reasons for = not=20 only being strong, but remaining strong, has always been my=20 objective.
 
I do pay attention to the outlook for a particular = industry,=20 that's where my personal bent for economics plays in. Right now, for = instance,=20 the oil industry and the auto industry hold little appeal for me. = Likewise the=20 travel and entertainment and airline industries. It's just that I start = by=20 finding strong stocks rather than strong industry groups. This suits my = style=20 since I prefer to find stocks before they become household names held by = every=20 major institutional investor.
 
I recognize that a strong stock in a very weak group = can be=20 held back price wise by the group, but if I am correct that the stock = will=20 remain strong, and for fundamental reasons, in time it will break out = anyway.=20 And I am patient, usually, tho kicking myself pretty hard right now on = AFAM and=20 ELTE big time. Can't believe I lost faith in both of them.
 
And to be honest, it undoubtedly has a lot to do = with my=20 personality, as I much prefer to be off by myself doing my thing than = being in=20 the middle of the pack following the crowd. By the time a group of = stocks is=20 really strong, it has usually become something of a herd = mentality.  I did=20 go thru a period early in my CANSLIM years, after seeing a quote from = WON that a=20 group that reaches the top 40 has only made one third of its move. So I = tried to=20 anticipate that, figuring that two thirds of a move was still pretty = good, and=20 started looking at the groups moving up strongly from the top 100 = towards the=20 top 40, looked at the top stocks in each group, and after months of this = just=20 was not excited by what I kept finding. Most were already extended or = trading at=20 high premiums. So I went back to looking for strong stocks rather than = strong=20 groups.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Spencer48@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 8:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Industry = Groups

Tom:

     I'd be interested = in=20 hearing the reason(s) that you aren't a group (I
imagine you are = referring=20 to the DG and IBD's industry ratings) follower. 
Shouldn't = the=20 industry's economic outlook (even if you don't pay attention to =
the rating=20 of the industry) influence whether or not to purchase a the stock =
in that=20 industry?


In a message dated 10/30/2001 8:32:44 AM Eastern = Standard=20 Time,
stkguru@netside.net=20 writes:

<< ...Since I am not a group follower, I have no = first=20 hand experience and
rarely look at the lists.=20 >>
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C16181.1EF60680-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Industry Groups Date: 30 Oct 2001 20:28:08 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C16181.635254A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about more on Public Relations? I find DGO's Customer Service to be = extraordinary, but those dedicated people unfortunately are not the ones = setting policy. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Kruger=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Industry Groups Maybe IBD/DGO ought to spend a little more on computers and a little less on lawyers? John --- Tom Worley wrote: > Chris, >=20 > As I understand this answer from DGO, even the Monday edition of IBD > is not fully updated. Therefore the only way to get a "valid" list = of > industry groups is from DGO, and then only after the late day second > price and volume feed is received and processed (e.g. download the > list on Saturday). >=20 > I seriously doubt that the IBD subscribers can gang up and demand > that IBD delay the printing of the Monday paper (for example on > Saturday) to ensure that the list they publish is, in fact, a = "final" > list. But if I were a subscriber, I would certainly be upset that > they are publishing what is, in effect, a preliminary list, but not > so labeling it. Maybe if they get enough complaints and/or lost > subscriptions, they will find a way to cure this and provide an > "official" group ranking as of Friday's close of business, say in = the > Tuesday edition, that would agree with DGO. Or, in the meantime, get > permission from DGO for one of us to publish DGO's final list here > until they fix the problem. That way you would have the weekend to > work on it. >=20 > I would suggest to IBD subscribers that are trying to get max value > out of the paper's industry groups lists, to use a day other than > Friday if it's published daily, at least then the week to week > comparisons should be comparable. >=20 > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C16181.635254A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How about more on Public Relations? I find DGO's = Customer=20 Service to be extraordinary, but those dedicated people unfortunately = are not=20 the ones setting policy.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John = Kruger=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 8:18=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: = (CANSLIM)=20 Industry Groups

Maybe IBD/DGO ought to spend a little more on computers = and a=20 little
less on lawyers?

John

--- Tom Worley <stkguru@netside.net> = wrote:
>=20 Chris,
>
> As I understand this answer from DGO, even the = Monday=20 edition of IBD
> is not fully updated. Therefore the only way to = get a=20 "valid" list of
> industry groups is from DGO, and then only = after the=20 late day second
> price and volume feed is received and = processed (e.g.=20 download the
> list on Saturday).
>
> I seriously = doubt=20 that the IBD subscribers can gang up and demand
> that IBD delay = the=20 printing of the Monday paper (for example on
> Saturday) to = ensure that=20 the list they publish is, in fact, a "final"
> list. But if I = were a=20 subscriber, I would certainly be upset that
> they are = publishing what=20 is, in effect, a preliminary list, but not
> so labeling it. = Maybe if=20 they get enough complaints and/or lost
> subscriptions, they = will find a=20 way to cure this and provide an
> "official" group ranking as of = Friday's close of business, say in the
> Tuesday edition, that = would=20 agree with DGO. Or, in the meantime, get
> permission from DGO = for one=20 of us to publish DGO's final list here
> until they fix the = problem.=20 That way you would have the weekend to
> work on it.
> =
> I=20 would suggest to IBD subscribers that are trying to get max = value
> out=20 of the paper's industry groups lists, to use a day other than
> = Friday=20 if it's published daily, at least then the week to week
> = comparisons=20 should be comparable.
>
> Tom Worley
> stkguru@netside.net
> = AIM:=20 = TexWorley


__________________________________________________Do=20 You Yahoo!?
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Hi Bob,
 
Hopefully, no need to "feel out" the group, we = generally are=20 friendly and don't bite.
 
I think the answer depends on where you see the = handle. If you=20 use the flat base that started 10/11, then there were 3 up days and 4 = down days=20 that exceeded ADV, plus another 3 days regardless of direction that were = well=20 under ADV. Then on 10/25 the stock broke out from that base/handle, but = only on=20 slightly more than ADV. Since, two of the three days were well under = ADV, and=20 all three down days. If, on the other hand, you consider the double = bottom=20 formation to have been essentially completely with the less than stellar = b/o on=20 10/25, then volume is already declining. So far, none of these days have = been=20 especially remarkable for volume.
 
But either way, I think it's too early to tell if = the pattern=20 is complete and becoming buyable.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Williams, Bob
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 8:20=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = TARO

I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out = before I've=20 "felt out"
the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the=20 handle?  It doesn't
look like volume is "drying = up."

Bob=20 Williams
EDS Systems
California Medi-Cal
phone: (916)=20 861-1861
fax: (916) 636-1002
cell: (916) = 804-6803


>=20 -----Original Message-----
> From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
> = Sent:=20 Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>=20 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO
>
>
> In a message = dated=20 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> peterc@loxinfo.co.th = writes:
>=20
> << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally =
> slightly undercut
>  the first.  In this = instance, I=20 don't think it fits that
>  description.  Anyway, = double=20 bottoms form handles too.<<
> 
> Peter: =
>=20
>      I'm not sure where you're = looking, but=20 to me TARO formed
> a very nice
> double bottom:  = The first=20 bottom was in August and the 2nd
> bottom was in late
>=20 September.  Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late =
>=20 September, and
> also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first=20 bottom. 
> Presently, TARO seems to
> be making a = handle on=20 light volume-after stalling when
> meeting the same level =
> as=20 the W formation's apex.
>
> jans   =

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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C16182.7EF65480-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 Oct 2001 19:36:42 -0600 If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the same group. With TARO, here's its cohorts: BRL: KO'd (knocked-out) ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS WPI: KO'd MYL: suspect, with gaps down PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS IVX: KO'd I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working through that handle and breaking out. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM > I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt out" > the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? It doesn't > look like volume is "drying up." > > Bob Williams > EDS Systems > California Medi-Cal > phone: (916) 861-1861 > fax: (916) 636-1002 > cell: (916) 804-6803 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: > > > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally > > slightly undercut > > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that > > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< > > > > Peter: > > > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed > > a very nice > > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd > > bottom was in late > > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late > > September, and > > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. > > Presently, TARO seems to > > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when > > meeting the same level > > as the W formation's apex. > > > > jans > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Intro: Katherine Malm Date: 30 Oct 2001 20:38:26 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C16182.D385F960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome, Katherine, and looking forward to your contributions and = questions. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: CANSLIM List Posting=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Intro: Katherine Malm Hello all, My name is Katherine Malm from Austin, Texas. I have been a long-time investor, but for me, the road to WON was long and treacherous, filled = with low-priced stocks, buy-and-hold nightmares and a few lucky breaks. Thankfully I found CANSLIM and have been practicing the discipline for = 4 years this month. My background is in engineering and business, = specifically in materials and operations management for manufacturing companies. Up = until recently I had a consulting and training business, but after years of constant travel, decided that home was the place for me and retired. I = have found over the years the market and its complexities are far more challenging and rewarding than just about anything else and so, as of = July of this year am trading/investing full time. While I have learned many lessons along the way, not a day goes by that Mr. Market doesn't offer = up something new! I am looking forward to sharing ideas with and learning = from each of you. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C16182.D385F960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Welcome, Katherine, and looking forward to your = contributions=20 and questions.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 8:10=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Intro: = Katherine=20 Malm

Hello all,

My name is Katherine Malm from = Austin, Texas.=20 I have been a long-time
investor, but for me, the road to WON was = long and=20 treacherous, filled with
low-priced stocks, buy-and-hold nightmares = and a=20 few lucky breaks.
Thankfully I found CANSLIM and have been = practicing the=20 discipline for 4
years this month. My background is in engineering = and=20 business, specifically
in materials and operations management for=20 manufacturing companies. Up until
recently I had a consulting and = training=20 business, but after years of
constant travel, decided that home was = the=20 place for me and retired. I have
found over the years the market = and its=20 complexities are far more
challenging and rewarding than just about = anything else and so, as of July
of this year am trading/investing = full=20 time. While I have learned many
lessons along the way, not a day = goes by=20 that Mr. Market doesn't offer up
something new! I am looking = forward to=20 sharing ideas with and learning from
each of = you.


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Regarding the handle...  As I stated in earlier messages, I felt the "handle from 10/12-10/24 was too low in the base and that I would wait for it to build a higher handle.  It looks like it has started to build a higher handle, starting on 10/26.  It is drifting lower, and volume is drying up.  It is still too soon to consider it a valid handle though.

Peter



At 08:08 PM 10/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Note also that the completion of the "W" places it not only over both the 200 and 50 DMA, but very close to latest highs, suggesting very little overhead resistance remaining in its recovery.
 
I am presuming that Peter's objection was that the second bottom was more than a "slight" undercut of the first bottom. I don't see that as a problem, especially given the overall impact of the 9/11 attacks. If the objection was other than this, then I don't get his point.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From: Spencer48@aol.com
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO

In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes:

<< In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally slightly undercut
 the first.  In this instance, I don't think it fits that
 description.  Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<<
 
Peter:

     I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed a very nice
double bottom:  The first bottom was in August and the 2nd bottom was in late
September.  Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late September, and
also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom.  Presently, TARO seems to
be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when meeting the same level
as the W formation's apex.

jans  

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Peter

At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:

If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the same group.
With TARO, here's its cohorts:
BRL: KO'd (knocked-out)
ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS
WPI: KO'd
MYL: suspect, with gaps down
PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy
ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS
IVX: KO'd

I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working through that
handle and breaking out.

Katherine
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM

> I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt out"
> the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle?  It doesn't
> look like volume is "drying up."
>
> Bob Williams
> EDS Systems
> California Medi-Cal
> phone: (916) 861-1861
> fax: (916) 636-1002
> cell: (916) 804-6803
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM
> > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes:
> >
> > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally
> > slightly undercut
> >  the first.  In this instance, I don't think it fits that
> >  description.  Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<<
> >
> > Peter:
> >
> >      I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed
> > a very nice
> > double bottom:  The first bottom was in August and the 2nd
> > bottom was in late
> > September.  Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late
> > September, and
> > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom.
> > Presently, TARO seems to
> > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when
> > meeting the same level
> > as the W formation's apex.
> >
> > jans
>
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Thanks for the explanation, Peter.
 
The magnitude of the undercut for the second bottom = (or third=20 or fourth) is one point on which I differ with WON. I think his limit is = way too=20 tight, especially given the volatility of the past few years. Not that = many=20 years ago, a point or two was considered a significant swing, now it's = just=20 normal one day trading for many stocks. And as I mentioned, I give a=20 considerable tolerance due to the events of 9/11.
 
But I do agree that the formation is incomplete. And = given the=20 comments by Katherine about others in the group, it seems that the group = itself=20 is shaky.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Christiansen
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 8:56=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

Yes Tom, that is my objection to calling it a double=20 bottom.  WON says the second bottom should undercut the first by = one or=20 two points.  TARO's undercuts by 6 1/2 points.  In the = Advanced=20 Investment Workshop WON also stressed that, like coffee cups, "ups = come in all=20 shapes and sizes"  "sometimes lopsided, sometimes with funny = shaped=20 bottoms".  To me, TARO is a cup with a "funny shaped = bottom".  I=20 don't think makes much difference whether you call it double bottom or = a=20 cup.  What it is, is a base.

Regarding the handle...  = As I=20 stated in earlier messages, I felt the "handle from 10/12-10/24 was = too low in=20 the base and that I would wait for it to build a higher handle.  = It looks=20 like it has started to build a higher handle, starting on 10/26.  = It is=20 drifting lower, and volume is drying up.  It is still too soon to = consider it a valid handle though.

Peter



At = 08:08 PM=20 10/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
Note also = that the=20 completion of the "W" places it not only over both the 200 and 50 = DMA, but=20 very close to latest highs, suggesting very little overhead = resistance=20 remaining in its recovery.
 
I am = presuming=20 that Peter's objection was that the second bottom was more than a = "slight"=20 undercut of the first bottom. I don't see that as a problem, = especially=20 given the overall impact of the 9/11 attacks. If the objection was = other=20 than this, then I don't get his point.
 
Tom = Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message = -----=20
From: Spencer48@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:54 = PM
Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] TARO

In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM = Eastern=20 Standard Time,
peterc@loxinfo.co.th=20 writes:

<< In a double bottom, the second bottom = should=20 ideally slightly undercut
 the first.  In this = instance, I=20 don't think it fits that
 description.  Anyway, = double=20 bottoms form handles too.<<
 
Peter:=20

     I'm not sure where you're = looking, but to=20 me TARO formed a very nice
double bottom:  The first = bottom was=20 in August and the 2nd bottom was in late
September.  = Notice that=20 the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late September, and
also that = the 2nd=20 bottom IS below the first bottom.  Presently, TARO seems to =
be=20 making a handle on light volume-after stalling when meeting the = same level=20
as the W formation's apex.

jans   =

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------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C16186.FC86F720-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 Oct 2001 20:13:20 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C1617F.523488C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Peter, Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks = for the confirming thoughts. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Christiansen=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Excellent point Katherine. The industry group weakness is the one = black mark I give TARO. In the present environment, and it is a very = big black mark. Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. = Suspect we are in another bear market rally. On the other hand, if it = breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it. Peter At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the same = group. With TARO, here's its cohorts: BRL: KO'd (knocked-out) ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS WPI: KO'd MYL: suspect, with gaps down PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS IVX: KO'd I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working = through that handle and breaking out. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Williams, Bob" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've = "felt out" > the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? It = doesn't > look like volume is "drying up." > > Bob Williams > EDS Systems > California Medi-Cal > phone: (916) 861-1861 > fax: (916) 636-1002 > cell: (916) 804-6803 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: > > > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally > > slightly undercut > > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that > > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< > > > > Peter: > > > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed > > a very nice > > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd > > bottom was in late > > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late > > September, and > > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. > > Presently, TARO seems to > > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when > > meeting the same level > > as the W formation's apex. > > > > jans > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the = email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not = use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C1617F.523488C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Peter,
 
Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to = my "Possible=20 Shorts" list. Thanks for the confirming thoughts.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Christiansen
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 = 8:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

Excellent point Katherine.  The industry group = weakness is=20 the one black mark I give TARO.  In the present environment, and = it is a=20 very big black mark.  Even if TARO breaks out, I probably = won't=20 buy it. Suspect we are in another bear market rally.  On the = other hand,=20 if it breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting=20 it.

Peter

At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:
If I'm ever in doubt about = a chart,=20 I'll look at others in the same group.
With TARO, here's its=20 cohorts:
BRL: KO'd (knocked-out)
ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, = low=20 RS
WPI: KO'd
MYL: suspect, with gaps down
PRX: suspect, = sure looks=20 triple toppy
ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS
IVX: KO'd

I'd = say=20 odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working through=20 that
handle and breaking out.

Katherine
----- Original = Message=20 -----
From: "Williams, Bob" = <robert.c.williams@eds.com>
To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, = 2001 7:20=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO


> I'm brand new = here, and=20 forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt out"
> the = group, but=20 isn't the volume a little high on the handle?  It = doesn't
> look=20 like volume is "drying up."
>
> Bob Williams
> EDS = Systems
> California Medi-Cal
> phone: (916) = 861-1861
>=20 fax: (916) 636-1002
> cell: (916) = 804-6803
>
>
>=20 > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Spencer48@aol.com = [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
> > Sent: = Tuesday,=20 October 30, 2001 4:54 PM
> > To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
>=20 > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO
> >
> >
> = > In a=20 message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> = >=20 peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes:
> >
> > << In a = double=20 bottom, the second bottom should ideally
> > slightly=20 undercut
> >  the first.  In this instance, I = don't think=20 it fits that
> >  description.  Anyway, double = bottoms=20 form handles too.<<
> >
> > Peter:
>=20 >
> >      I'm not sure where = you're=20 looking, but to me TARO formed
> > a very nice
> > = double=20 bottom:  The first bottom was in August and the 2nd
> = > bottom=20 was in late
> > September.  Notice that the 200 = stopped the=20 2nd fall in late
> > September, and
> > also that = the 2nd=20 bottom IS below the first bottom.
> > Presently, TARO seems = to
> > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling=20 when
> > meeting the same level
> > as the W = formation's=20 apex.
> >
> > jans
>
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------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C1617F.523488C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 30 Oct 2001 20:29:46 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C161B3.E7E1CDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I brought TARO up last week and went long. However, my analysis projects strong resistance at 49 which is also very near the old high. My analysis also predicts a high probability that the price will move to this resistance level or very near it. If and when it does I will sell. I agree that the whole picture does not look good, and I don't want to be in this one very long. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:13 PM Peter, Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks for the confirming thoughts. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM Excellent point Katherine. The industry group weakness is the one black mark I give TARO. In the present environment, and it is a very big black mark. Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. Suspect we are in another bear market rally. On the other hand, if it breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it. Peter At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the same group. With TARO, here's its cohorts: BRL: KO'd (knocked-out) ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS WPI: KO'd MYL: suspect, with gaps down PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS IVX: KO'd I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working through that handle and breaking out. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM > I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt out" > the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? It doesn't > look like volume is "drying up." > > Bob Williams > EDS Systems > California Medi-Cal > phone: (916) 861-1861 > fax: (916) 636-1002 > cell: (916) 804-6803 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spencer48@aol.com [ mailto:Spencer48@aol.com ] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: > > > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally > > slightly undercut > > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that > > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< > > > > Peter: > > > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed > > a very nice > > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd > > bottom was in late > > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late > > September, and > > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. > > Presently, TARO seems to > > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when > > meeting the same level > > as the W formation's apex. > > > > jans > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C161B3.E7E1CDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I brought TARO up last week and went long. However, my analysis projects strong resistance at 49 which is also very near the old high. My analysis also predicts a high probability that the price will move to this resistance level or very near it. If and when it does I will sell. I agree that the whole picture does not look good, and I don't want to be in this one very long.
 
E 
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:13 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO

Peter,
 
Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks for the confirming thoughts.
 
Katherine
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO

Excellent point Katherine.  The industry group weakness is the one black mark I give TARO.  In the present environment, and it is a very big black mark.  Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. Suspect we are in another bear market rally.  On the other hand, if it breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it.

Peter

At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:
If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the same group.
With TARO, here's its cohorts:
BRL: KO'd (knocked-out)
ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS
WPI: KO'd
MYL: suspect, with gaps down
PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy
ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS
IVX: KO'd

I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working through that
handle and breaking out.

Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Williams, Bob" <robert.c.williams@eds.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO


> I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt out"
> the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle?  It doesn't
> look like volume is "drying up."
>
> Bob Williams
> EDS Systems
> California Medi-Cal
> phone: (916) 861-1861
> fax: (916) 636-1002
> cell: (916) 804-6803
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM
> > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes:
> >
> > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally
> > slightly undercut
> >  the first.  In this instance, I don't think it fits that
> >  description.  Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<<
> >
> > Peter:
> >
> >      I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed
> > a very nice
> > double bottom:  The first bottom was in August and the 2nd
> > bottom was in late
> > September.  Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late
> > September, and
> > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom.
> > Presently, TARO seems to
> > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when
> > meeting the same level
> > as the W formation's apex.
> >
> > jans
>
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Den --part1_69.1d2e6f49.29110257_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Intro: Katherine Malm Date: 31 Oct 2001 11:24:43 +0100 Katherine, welcome !!! I was a consultant too and did retire as well in order to trade with CANSLIM ... Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Katherine Malm [SMTP:kmalm@earthlink.net] > Gesendet am: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:11 AM > An: CANSLIM List Posting > Betreff: [CANSLIM] Intro: Katherine Malm > > Hello all, > > My name is Katherine Malm from Austin, Texas. I have been a long-time > investor, but for me, the road to WON was long and treacherous, filled with > low-priced stocks, buy-and-hold nightmares and a few lucky breaks. > Thankfully I found CANSLIM and have been practicing the discipline for 4 > years this month. My background is in engineering and business, specifically > in materials and operations management for manufacturing companies. Up until > recently I had a consulting and training business, but after years of > constant travel, decided that home was the place for me and retired. I have > found over the years the market and its complexities are far more > challenging and rewarding than just about anything else and so, as of July > of this year am trading/investing full time. While I have learned many > lessons along the way, not a day goes by that Mr. Market doesn't offer up > something new! I am looking forward to sharing ideas with and learning from > each of you. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] The M Date: 31 Oct 2001 11:36:11 +0100 This market is way too difficult to call it a bull market. I even made a ton of money in the (false) rally of this spring, but now its different ... Third distribution day in three weeks is enough for me to get flat ... Andreas - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]" Subject: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Date: 31 Oct 2001 07:45:49 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16209.F79E9F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical illusions that look different depending on which eye you use! TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from late June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late August (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline. The neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that followed Sep 11. But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned to the right neckline at $35 and paused. One would expect the stock to really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely. I've read that when a stock traces through a certain bearish formation then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it is extremely bullish. So, we'll have to see. Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well formed. In either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base off of it's incredible run this year. It appears to be forming the right side of a cup. From what I understand, the first step of a healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward channel of successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July peak to its September low. It looks like it did that on Oct 10. It then needs to return to that downtrend line or retest the bottom before moving up. It looks like it tried that on Oct 18. Either way, it seems to now be making higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its way back up to the old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower volume. Again, we'll see. I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how I see these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything. And being indecisive makes investing difficult. Usually, when I am sure about something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I expect! But, I thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different perspective. BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off. But, I also agree with Katherine (?) who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's peers. Oops, there's that indecisiveness again... Cheers, John C. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:13 PM Peter, Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks for the confirming thoughts. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM Excellent point Katherine. The industry group weakness is the one black mark I give TARO. In the present environment, and it is a very big black mark. Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. Suspect we are in another bear market rally. On the other hand, if it breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it. Peter At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the same group. With TARO, here's its cohorts: BRL: KO'd (knocked-out) ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS WPI: KO'd MYL: suspect, with gaps down PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS IVX: KO'd I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working through that handle and breaking out. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM > I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt out" > the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? It doesn't > look like volume is "drying up." > > Bob Williams > EDS Systems > California Medi-Cal > phone: (916) 861-1861 > fax: (916) 636-1002 > cell: (916) 804-6803 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spencer48@aol.com [ mailto:Spencer48@aol.com ] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: > > > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally > > slightly undercut > > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that > > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< > > > > Peter: > > > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed > > a very nice > > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd > > bottom was in late > > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late > > September, and > > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. > > Presently, TARO seems to > > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when > > meeting the same level > > as the W formation's apex. > > > > jans > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16209.F79E9F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical illusions that look different depending on which eye you use!
 
TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from late June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late August (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline.  The neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that followed Sep 11.  But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned to the right neckline at $35 and paused.  One would expect the stock to really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely.  I've read that when a stock traces through a certain bearish formation then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it is extremely bullish.  So, we'll have to see.
 
Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well formed.
 
In either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base off of it's incredible run this year.  It appears to be forming the right side of a cup.  From what I understand, the first step of a healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward channel of successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July peak to its September low. It looks like it did that on Oct 10.  It then needs to return to that downtrend line or retest the bottom before moving up.  It looks like it tried that on Oct 18.  Either way, it seems to now be making higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its way back up to the old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower volume.  Again, we'll see.
 
I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how I see these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything.  And being indecisive makes investing difficult.  Usually, when I am sure about something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I expect!  But, I thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different perspective.
 
BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off.  But, I also agree with Katherine (?) who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's peers.
 
Oops, there's that indecisiveness again...
 
Cheers,
John C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:13 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO

Peter,
 
Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks for the confirming thoughts.
 
Katherine
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO

Excellent point Katherine.  The industry group weakness is the one black mark I give TARO.  In the present environment, and it is a very big black mark.  Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. Suspect we are in another bear market rally.  On the other hand, if it breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it.

Peter

At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:
If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the same group.
With TARO, here's its cohorts:
BRL: KO'd (knocked-out)
ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS
WPI: KO'd
MYL: suspect, with gaps down
PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy
ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS
IVX: KO'd

I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working through that
handle and breaking out.

Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Williams, Bob" <robert.c.williams@eds.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO


> I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt out"
> the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle?  It doesn't
> look like volume is "drying up."
>
> Bob Williams
> EDS Systems
> California Medi-Cal
> phone: (916) 861-1861
> fax: (916) 636-1002
> cell: (916) 804-6803
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM
> > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes:
> >
> > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally
> > slightly undercut
> >  the first.  In this instance, I don't think it fits that
> >  description.  Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<<
> >
> > Peter:
> >
> >      I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed
> > a very nice
> > double bottom:  The first bottom was in August and the 2nd
> > bottom was in late
> > September.  Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late
> > September, and
> > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom.
> > Presently, TARO seems to
> > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when
> > meeting the same level
> > as the W formation's apex.
> >
> > jans
>
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The fundamentals are excellent. the only things keeping me away from it are it appears to be at the upper end of reasonable valuation and it's already got a lot of attention with 36% ownership from funds and banks. As a short prospect I'd also stay away from it. Not brave enough yet to fight the momentum players on a stock with as strong as fundamentals as this one has. And not smart enough to know when and if for sure it's going to turn down. Prefer to stick to stocks like EK and DCN, which I'm in, for shorts and I'm watching GT for another possible short. Their fundies are abysmal and the stock momentum is definitely in runaway mode in the downward direction. At 07:45 AM 10/31/01 -0500, you wrote: >Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical illusions that look >different depending on which eye you use! > >TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from late June >(left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late August (right >shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline. The neckline >appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that followed Sep >11. But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned to the right >neckline at $35 and paused. One would expect the stock to really fall at >that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely. I've read that when >a stock traces through a certain bearish formation then suddenly turns >around instead of falling, that it is extremely bullish. So, we'll have >to see. > >Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and shoulders >forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the above right >neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days following Sep 11, and >the right shoulder ...well, it is not well formed. > >In either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base off of >it's incredible run this year. It appears to be forming the right side of >a cup. From what I understand, the first step of a healthy cup formation >was breaking out of the downward channel of successive lower lows and >lower highs that it formed from its July peak to its September low. It >looks like it did that on Oct 10. It then needs to return to that >downtrend line or retest the bottom before moving up. It looks like it >tried that on Oct 18. Either way, it seems to now be making higher lows >and higher highs, where it should work its way back up to the old high of >49, then pause to form a handle on lower volume. Again, we'll see. > >I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how I see >these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything. And being >indecisive makes investing difficult. Usually, when I am sure about >something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I expect! But, I >thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different perspective. > >BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey bottom >due to the Sep 11 sell off. But, I also agree with Katherine (?) who has >the stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's peers. > >Oops, there's that indecisiveness again... > >Cheers, >John C. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net] >>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:13 PM >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO >> >>Peter, >> >>Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks >>for the confirming thoughts. >> >>Katherine >>kmalm@earthlink.net >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Peter Christiansen >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM >>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO >> >>Excellent point Katherine. The industry group weakness is the one black >>mark I give TARO. In the present environment, and it is a very big black >>mark. Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. Suspect we are >>in another bear market rally. On the other hand, if it breaks down, I >>would seriously consider shorting it. >> >>Peter >> >>At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: >>>If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the same group. >>>With TARO, here's its cohorts: >>>BRL: KO'd (knocked-out) >>>ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS >>>WPI: KO'd >>>MYL: suspect, with gaps down >>>PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy >>>ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS >>>IVX: KO'd >>> >>>I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working through >>>that >>>handle and breaking out. >>> >>>Katherine >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Williams, Bob" >>>To: >>>Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM >>>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO >>> >>> >>> >>> > I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt >>> out" >>> > the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? It doesn't >>> > look like volume is "drying up." >>> > >>> > Bob Williams >>> > EDS Systems >>> > California Medi-Cal >>> > phone: (916) 861-1861 >>> > fax: (916) 636-1002 >>> > cell: (916) 804-6803 >>> > >>> > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com] >>> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM >>> > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>> > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>> > > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: >>> > > >>> > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally >>> > > slightly undercut >>> > > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that >>> > > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< >>> > > >>> > > Peter: >>> > > >>> > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed >>> > > a very nice >>> > > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd >>> > > bottom was in late >>> > > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late >>> > > September, and >>> > > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. >>> > > Presently, TARO seems to >>> > > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when >>> > > meeting the same level >>> > > as the W formation's apex. >>> > > >>> > > jans >>> > >>> > - >>> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >>> >>> >>> >>>- >>>-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >>>-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >>>-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >>"The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon >>- -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email >>body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use >>quotes in your email. --=====================_219041279==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just looked at the 52 week weekly chart of TARO. Looks very strong. It went from around 10 bucks last November to almost 50 bucks in July when it started it's double bottom base. The volume during the downtrends has been very low compared to the upward movement. Currently U/D is 1.2.  It's a heck of a lot better looking chart than something like ADVP. The fundamentals are excellent. the only things keeping me away from it are it appears to be at the upper end of reasonable valuation and it's already got a lot of attention with 36% ownership from funds and banks. As a short prospect I'd also stay away from it. Not brave enough yet to fight the momentum players on a stock with as strong as fundamentals as this one has. And not smart enough to know when and if for sure it's going to turn down. Prefer to stick to stocks like EK and DCN, which I'm in, for shorts and I'm watching GT for another possible short. Their fundies are abysmal and the stock momentum is definitely in runaway mode in the downward direction.

At 07:45 AM 10/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical illusions that look different depending on which eye you use!
 
TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from late June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late August (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline.  The neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that followed Sep 11.  But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned to the right neckline at $35 and paused.  One would expect the stock to really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely.  I've read that when a stock traces through a certain bearish formation then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it is extremely bullish.  So, we'll have to see.
 
Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well formed.
 
In either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base off of it's incredible run this year.  It appears to be forming the right side of a cup.  =46rom what I understand, the first step of a healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward channel of successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July peak to its September low. It looks like it did that on Oct 10.  It then needs to return to that downtrend line or retest the bottom before moving up.  It looks like it tried that on Oct 18.  Either way, it seems to now be making higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its way back up to the old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower volume.  Again, we'll see.
 
I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how I see these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything.  And being indecisive makes investing difficult.  Usually, when I am sure about something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I expect!  But, I thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different perspective.
 
BTW, I agree with Tom (?) wh= o cuts the stock slack for it's spikey bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off.  But, I also agree with Katherine (?) who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's peers.
 
Oops, there's that indecisiveness again...
 
Cheers,
John C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:13 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO
Peter,
 
Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks for the confirming thoughts.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Peter Christiansen=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO

Excellent point Katherine.  The industry group weakness is the one= black mark I give TARO.  In the present environment, and it is a very= big black mark.  Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it.= Suspect we are in another bear market rally.  On the other hand, if it= breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it.

Peter

At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:
If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the same= group.
With TARO, here's its cohorts:
BRL: KO'd (knocked-out)
ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS
WPI: KO'd
MYL: suspect, with gaps down
PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy
ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS
IVX: KO'd

I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working through= that
handle and breaking out.

Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Williams, Bob" <robert.c.williams@eds.com>
To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO



> I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've= "felt out"
> the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? = It doesn't
> look like volume is "drying up."
>
> Bob Williams
> EDS Systems
> California Medi-Cal
> phone: (916) 861-1861
> fax: (916) 636-1002
> cell: (916) 804-6803
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM
> > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard= Time,
> > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes:
> >
> > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally
> > slightly undercut
> >  the first.  In this instance, I don't think it fits= that
> >  description.  Anyway, double bottoms form handles= too.<<
> >
> > Peter:
> >
> >      I'm not sure where you're= looking, but to me TARO formed
> > a very nice
> > double bottom:  The first bottom was in August and the= 2nd
> > bottom was in late
> > September.  Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in= late
> > September, and
> > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom.
> > Presently, TARO seems to
> > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when
> > meeting the same level
> > as the W formation's apex.
> >
> > jans
>
> -
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--=====================_219041279==_.ALT-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Date: 31 Oct 2001 08:10:45 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C161E3.8B5A35A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, John, appreciate the different view. I had not seen the head & = shoulders, and its inverse, until you pointed it out. That's what I love = about the stock market, the "indecisiveness", you are really on your own = unless you cop out and buy mutual funds, and leave the worry factor up = to the fund manager. Either way, it seems we all appear to see the formation as incomplete at = this time, but maybe worth watching. That right shoulder off the inverse = h&s, or handle of the cup, needs to decide what it's going to do. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical illusions that = look different depending on which eye you use! =20 TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from late = June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late August = (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline. The = neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that = followed Sep 11. But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned = to the right neckline at $35 and paused. One would expect the stock to = really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely. = I've read that when a stock traces through a certain bearish formation = then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it is extremely = bullish. So, we'll have to see. =20 Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and shoulders = forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the above right = neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days following Sep 11, = and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well formed. =20 In either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base off = of it's incredible run this year. It appears to be forming the right = side of a cup. From what I understand, the first step of a healthy cup = formation was breaking out of the downward channel of successive lower = lows and lower highs that it formed from its July peak to its September = low. It looks like it did that on Oct 10. It then needs to return to = that downtrend line or retest the bottom before moving up. It looks = like it tried that on Oct 18. Either way, it seems to now be making = higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its way back up to = the old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower volume. Again, = we'll see. =20 I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how I = see these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything. And being = indecisive makes investing difficult. Usually, when I am sure about = something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I expect! But, I = thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different = perspective. =20 BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey = bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off. But, I also agree with Katherine (?) = who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's = peers. =20 Oops, there's that indecisiveness again... =20 Cheers, John C. -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:13 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Peter, =20 Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. = Thanks for the confirming thoughts. =20 Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Christiansen=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Excellent point Katherine. The industry group weakness is the one = black mark I give TARO. In the present environment, and it is a very = big black mark. Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. = Suspect we are in another bear market rally. On the other hand, if it = breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it. Peter At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the = same group. With TARO, here's its cohorts: BRL: KO'd (knocked-out) ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS WPI: KO'd MYL: suspect, with gaps down PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS IVX: KO'd I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working = through that handle and breaking out. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Williams, Bob" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before = I've "felt out" > the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? = It doesn't > look like volume is "drying up." > > Bob Williams > EDS Systems > California Medi-Cal > phone: (916) 861-1861 > fax: (916) 636-1002 > cell: (916) 804-6803 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard = Time, > > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: > > > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally > > slightly undercut > > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that > > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< > > > > Peter: > > > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO = formed > > a very nice > > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd > > bottom was in late > > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late > > September, and > > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. > > Presently, TARO seems to > > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when > > meeting the same level > > as the W formation's apex. > > > > jans > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. 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Thanks, John, appreciate the different view. I had = not seen=20 the head & shoulders, and its inverse, until you pointed it out. = That's what=20 I love about the stock market, the "indecisiveness", you are really on = your own=20 unless you cop out and buy mutual funds, and leave the worry factor up = to the=20 fund manager.
 
Either way, it seems we all appear to see the = formation as=20 incomplete at this time, but maybe worth watching. That right shoulder = off the=20 inverse h&s, or handle of the cup, needs to decide what it's going = to=20 do.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cefaloni,=20 John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 7:45=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tech = Analysis notes on=20 TARO

Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical = illusions that=20 look different depending on which eye you use!
 
TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top = from late=20 June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late August = (right=20 shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline.  The = neckline=20 appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that followed = Sep=20 11.  But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned to = the right=20 neckline at $35 and paused.  One would expect the stock to really = fall at=20 that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely.  I've read = that when=20 a stock traces through a certain bearish formation then suddenly turns = around=20 instead of falling, that it is extremely bullish.  So, we'll have = to=20 see.
 
Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and = shoulders=20 forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the = above right=20 neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days following = Sep 11,=20 and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well = formed.
 
In=20 either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base off of = it's=20 incredible run this year.  It appears to be forming the right = side of a=20 cup.  From what I understand, the first step of a healthy cup = formation=20 was breaking out of the downward channel of successive lower lows and = lower=20 highs that it formed from its July peak to its September=20 low. It looks = like it did=20 that on Oct 10.  It then needs to return to that downtrend line = or retest=20 the bottom before moving up.  It looks like it tried that on Oct=20 18.  Either way, it seems to now be making higher lows and higher = highs,=20 where it should work its way back up to the old high of 49, then pause = to form=20 a handle on lower volume.  Again, we'll see.
 
I=20 know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how I = see these=20 charts - it's hard to be definite about anything.  And being = indecisive=20 makes investing difficult.  Usually, when I am sure about = something, the=20 stock will perform the opposite of what I expect!  But, I = thought=20 I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different=20 perspective.
 
BTW,=20 I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey bottom = due to=20 the Sep 11 sell off.  But, I also agree with Katherine (?) who = has the=20 stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's=20 peers.
 
Oops, there's that indecisiveness = again...
 
Cheers,
John=20 C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm=20 [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, = 2001 9:13=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 TARO

Peter,
 
Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO = to my=20 "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks for the=20 confirming thoughts.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Christiansen
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, = 2001 8:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

Excellent point Katherine.  The industry group = weakness is the one black mark I give TARO.  In the present=20 environment, and it is a very big black mark.  Even if = TARO=20 breaks out, I probably won't buy it. Suspect we are in another = bear market=20 rally.  On the other hand, if it breaks down, I would = seriously=20 consider shorting it.

Peter

At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 = -0600,=20 you wrote:
If I'm ever in doubt = about a=20 chart, I'll look at others in the same group.
With TARO, = here's its=20 cohorts:
BRL: KO'd (knocked-out)
ADRX: lousy, wide and = loose, low=20 RS
WPI: KO'd
MYL: suspect, with gaps down
PRX: suspect, = sure=20 looks triple toppy
ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS
IVX:=20 KO'd

I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather = than=20 working through that
handle and breaking=20 out.

Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 "Williams, Bob" <robert.c.williams@eds.com>
To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, = 2001=20 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO


> I'm brand = new=20 here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt = out"
> the=20 group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle?  = It=20 doesn't
> look like volume is "drying up."
>
> = Bob=20 Williams
> EDS Systems
> California Medi-Cal
> = phone:=20 (916) 861-1861
> fax: (916) 636-1002
> cell: (916)=20 804-6803
>
>
> > -----Original = Message-----
>=20 > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
> > = Sent:=20 Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM
> > To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20 TARO
> >
> >
> > In a message dated=20 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> >=20 peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes:
> >
> > << = In a=20 double bottom, the second bottom should ideally
> > = slightly=20 undercut
> >  the first.  In this instance, I = don't=20 think it fits that
> >  description.  Anyway, = double=20 bottoms form handles too.<<
> >
> >=20 Peter:
> >
> >      = I'm not=20 sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed
> > a = very=20 nice
> > double bottom:  The first bottom was in = August=20 and the 2nd
> > bottom was in late
> >=20 September.  Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in=20 late
> > September, and
> > also that the 2nd = bottom=20 IS below the first bottom.
> > Presently, TARO seems = to
>=20 > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling = when
> >=20 meeting the same level
> > as the W formation's = apex.
>=20 >
> > jans
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C161E3.8B5A35A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Date: 31 Oct 2001 07:22:38 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C161DC.D1BFEC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darn, you guys are *good*! Agreed, TARO was a much easier short back in = July when it made that mini-blowoff top and the market was in a clear = downtrend. Pretty clear TARO is the leader in a lousy group so will go = down less and will recover sooner. As Tom also noted, great thing about = CANSLIM is we don't have to guess, we can wait and let it tell us what = it wants to do.=20 Also agree with you, Doug, that the *easiest* shorts right now are the = weakest players already in confirmed downtrends. Especially like the = ones that wedged up during this latest rally. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Just looked at the 52 week weekly chart of TARO. Looks very strong. It = went from around 10 bucks last November to almost 50 bucks in July when = it started it's double bottom base. The volume during the downtrends has = been very low compared to the upward movement. Currently U/D is 1.2. = It's a heck of a lot better looking chart than something like ADVP. The = fundamentals are excellent. the only things keeping me away from it are = it appears to be at the upper end of reasonable valuation and it's = already got a lot of attention with 36% ownership from funds and banks. = As a short prospect I'd also stay away from it. Not brave enough yet to = fight the momentum players on a stock with as strong as fundamentals as = this one has. And not smart enough to know when and if for sure it's = going to turn down. Prefer to stick to stocks like EK and DCN, which I'm = in, for shorts and I'm watching GT for another possible short. Their = fundies are abysmal and the stock momentum is definitely in runaway mode = in the downward direction. At 07:45 AM 10/31/01 -0500, you wrote: Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical illusions that = look different depending on which eye you use! =20 TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from late = June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late August = (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline. The = neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that = followed Sep 11. But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned = to the right neckline at $35 and paused. One would expect the stock to = really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely. = I've read that when a stock traces through a certain bearish formation = then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it is extremely = bullish. So, we'll have to see. =20 Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and = shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the = above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days = following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well formed. =20 In either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base = off of it's incredible run this year. It appears to be forming the = right side of a cup. From what I understand, the first step of a = healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward channel of = successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July peak = to its September low. It looks like it did that on Oct 10. It then = needs to return to that downtrend line or retest the bottom before = moving up. It looks like it tried that on Oct 18. Either way, it seems = to now be making higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its = way back up to the old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower = volume. Again, we'll see. =20 I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how = I see these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything. And being = indecisive makes investing difficult. Usually, when I am sure about = something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I expect! But, I = thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different = perspective. =20 BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey = bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off. But, I also agree with Katherine (?) = who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's = peers. =20 Oops, there's that indecisiveness again... =20 Cheers, John C. ------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C161DC.D1BFEC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Darn, you guys are *good*! Agreed, TARO = was a much=20 easier short back in July when it made that mini-blowoff top and the = market was=20 in a clear downtrend. Pretty clear TARO is the leader in a lousy group = so will=20 go down less and will recover sooner. As Tom also noted, great thing = about=20 CANSLIM is we don't have to guess, we can wait and let it tell us what = it wants=20 to do.
 
Also agree with you, Doug, that the = *easiest*=20 shorts right now are the weakest players already in confirmed = downtrends.=20 Especially like the ones that wedged up during this latest = rally.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 7:03=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech = Analysis=20 notes on TARO

Just looked at the 52 week weekly chart of TARO. Looks = very=20 strong. It went from around 10 bucks last November to almost 50 bucks = in July=20 when it started it's double bottom base. The volume during the = downtrends has=20 been very low compared to the upward movement. Currently U/D is = 1.2. =20 It's a heck of a lot better looking chart than something like ADVP. = The=20 fundamentals are excellent. the only things keeping me away from it = are it=20 appears to be at the upper end of reasonable valuation and it's = already got a=20 lot of attention with 36% ownership from funds and banks. As a short = prospect=20 I'd also stay away from it. Not brave enough yet to fight the momentum = players=20 on a stock with as strong as fundamentals as this one has. And not = smart=20 enough to know when and if for sure it's going to turn down. Prefer to = stick=20 to stocks like EK and DCN, which I'm in, for shorts and I'm watching = GT for=20 another possible short. Their fundies are abysmal and the stock = momentum is=20 definitely in runaway mode in the downward direction.

At 07:45 = AM=20 10/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
Funny how sometimes these charts looks = like=20 optical illusions that look different depending on which eye you=20 use!
 
TARO's chart=20 looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from late June (left = shoulder=20 at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late August (right shoulder at = around=20 $44) with a downward sloping neckline.  The neckline appears to = have=20 been broken with the gap down sell off that followed Sep 11.  = But, at=20 the end of September, it reversed and returned to the right neckline = at $35=20 and paused.  One would expect the stock to really fall at that = point,=20 but it didn't - it has recovered nicely.  I've read that when a = stock=20 traces through a certain bearish formation then suddenly turns = around=20 instead of falling, that it is extremely bullish.  So, we'll = have to=20 see.
 
Looking with=20 my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and shoulders forming = with the=20 left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the above right neckline), = the head=20 at $27 or so in the trading days following Sep 11, and the right = shoulder=20 ...well, it is not well formed.
 
In either case, it is definitely trying to = build some=20 type of base off of it's incredible run this year.  It appears = to be=20 forming the right side of a cup.  From what I understand, the = first=20 step of a healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward = channel of=20 successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July = peak to=20 its September low. It looks=20 like it did that on Oct 10.  It then needs to return to that = downtrend=20 line or retest the bottom before moving up.  It looks like it = tried=20 that on Oct 18.  Either way, it seems to now be making higher = lows and=20 higher highs, where it should work its way back up to the old high = of 49,=20 then pause to form a handle on lower volume.  Again, we'll=20 see.
 
I know that=20 my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how I see these = charts -=20 it's hard to be definite about anything.  And being indecisive = makes=20 investing difficult.  Usually, when I am sure about something, = the=20 stock will perform the opposite of what I expect!  But, I = thought I'd=20 throw it out there to give some of you a different=20 perspective.
 
BTW,=20 I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey bottom = due to=20 the Sep 11 sell off.  But, I also agree with Katherine (?) who = has the=20 stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's=20 peers.
 
Oops,=20 there's that indecisiveness again...
 
Cheers,
John C.
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------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C161DC.D1BFEC80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The M Date: 31 Oct 2001 07:25:48 -0600 Agreed. I've got red lights flashing all over the place. I'll be protecting profits and looking to add shorts today. Andreas, do you stay up all night for this market? You're nuts! Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:36 AM > This market is way too difficult to call it a bull market. I even made a > ton of money in the (false) rally of this spring, but now its different ... > > Third distribution day in three weeks is enough for me to get flat ... > > Andreas > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] The M Date: 31 Oct 2001 14:47:05 +0100 Katherine, no I live in Germany, so my work day starts an hour befor USA Markets open, about now (its 2:45 pm here ...) ;-) Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Katherine Malm [SMTP:kmalm@earthlink.net] > Gesendet am: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:26 PM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] The M > > Agreed. I've got red lights flashing all over the place. I'll be protecting > profits and looking to add shorts today. > > Andreas, do you stay up all night for this market? You're nuts! > > Katherine > kmalm@earthlink.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andreas Himmelreich" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:36 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] The M > > > > This market is way too difficult to call it a bull market. I even made a > > ton of money in the (false) rally of this spring, but now its different > ... > > > > Third distribution day in three weeks is enough for me to get flat ... > > > > Andreas > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] GDP for Q3 Date: 31 Oct 2001 08:45:11 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C161E8.5A3DEFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those not watching, results are a decline of 0.4% instead of the = expected decline of 1.0%. Futures are strong, and strengthening. = Katherine, I would be cautious about shorting today, altho may get a = blowoff opening and its consequent opportunities. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C161E8.5A3DEFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those not watching, results are a decline of = 0.4% instead=20 of the expected decline of 1.0%. Futures are strong, and strengthening.=20 Katherine, I would be cautious about shorting today, altho may get a = blowoff=20 opening and its consequent opportunities.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C161E8.5A3DEFC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The M Date: 31 Oct 2001 07:37:55 -0600 I'd be cooked. I've not got a single working braincell by that time of the afternoon! Have a good "day" Katherine ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:47 AM > Katherine, > > no I live in Germany, so my work day starts an hour befor USA Markets open, about now (its 2:45 pm here ...) > > ;-) > > Andreas > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Katherine Malm [SMTP:kmalm@earthlink.net] > > Gesendet am: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:26 PM > > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] The M > > > > Agreed. I've got red lights flashing all over the place. I'll be protecting > > profits and looking to add shorts today. > > > > Andreas, do you stay up all night for this market? You're nuts! > > > > Katherine > > kmalm@earthlink.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andreas Himmelreich" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:36 AM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] The M > > > > > > > This market is way too difficult to call it a bull market. I even made a > > > ton of money in the (false) rally of this spring, but now its different > > ... > > > > > > Third distribution day in three weeks is enough for me to get flat ... > > > > > > Andreas > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] GDP for Q3 Date: 31 Oct 2001 07:44:30 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01C161DF.E02050A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the heads up. I haven't read Briefing.com yet today, so will = head there right now. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] GDP for Q3 For those not watching, results are a decline of 0.4% instead of the = expected decline of 1.0%. Futures are strong, and strengthening. = Katherine, I would be cautious about shorting today, altho may get a = blowoff opening and its consequent opportunities. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_000_012A_01C161DF.E02050A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the heads up. I haven't read = Briefing.com yet today, so will head there right now.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 7:45=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] GDP for = Q3

For those not watching, results are a decline of = 0.4%=20 instead of the expected decline of 1.0%. Futures are strong, and=20 strengthening. Katherine, I would be cautious about shorting today, = altho may=20 get a blowoff opening and its consequent opportunities.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
------=_NextPart_000_012A_01C161DF.E02050A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all Date: 31 Oct 2001 08:31:03 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013B_01C161E6.60E55860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wanted to followup on your comments in the TARO thread, DougC. I know WON isn't a great fan of shorting. He barely mentions it in = HTMMIS and generally blows off any questions about it in his seminars. = So that leaves me to my own vices! Frankly, I never shorted a stock in = my life until March 2000 and then it was easy. Pick a stock, any stock, = it'll go down. Well, at least until the first bounce. Point is, I've = been working to perfect my shorting skills (sure as I do so, Mr. M will = go right back up!). I've been accumulating notes from my experiences the last year and would = like to get feedback from the members as to: (1) Under what market conditions will you short or not short? (2) What is your best method for scanning for short candidates? (3) What patterns have created your best shorts? (4) What techniques do you use for managing your short positions? For = example, setting stops for profits, setting stops for stop-loss (i.e, = what signals do you use to know the position is moving against you and = what limit do you place), mental or open protective stops, etc. (5) What do you use to determine if you've been in the short long = enough? For example, is it based on time, % profit, change in pattern, = etc. I found Stan Weinstein's book to be incredibly helpful, but it doesn't = really get to the nitty-gritty of these finer points. Would sure = appreciate any feedback. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_000_013B_01C161E6.60E55860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wanted to followup on your comments in = the TARO=20 thread, DougC.
 
I know WON isn't a great fan of = shorting. He barely=20 mentions it in HTMMIS and generally blows off any questions about it in = his=20 seminars. So that leaves me to my own vices! Frankly, I never shorted a = stock in=20 my life until March 2000 and then it was easy. Pick a stock, any stock, = it'll go=20 down. Well, at least until the first bounce. Point is, I've been working = to=20 perfect my shorting skills (sure as I do so, Mr. M will go right back=20 up!).
 
I've been accumulating notes from my = experiences=20 the last year and would like to get feedback from the members as=20 to:
 
(1) Under what market conditions will = you short or=20 not short?
(2) What is your best method for = scanning for short=20 candidates?
(3) What patterns have created your = best=20 shorts?
(4) What techniques do you use for = managing your=20 short positions? For example, setting stops for profits, setting stops = for=20 stop-loss (i.e, what signals do you use to know the position is moving = against=20 you and what limit do you place), mental or open protective stops,=20 etc.
(5) What do you use to determine if = you've been in=20 the short long enough? For example, is it based on time, % profit, = change in=20 pattern, etc.
 
I found Stan Weinstein's book to be = incredibly=20 helpful, but it doesn't really get to the nitty-gritty of these finer = points.=20 Would sure appreciate any feedback.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_013B_01C161E6.60E55860-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Neal Frankle Subject: [CANSLIM] time of the day Date: 31 Oct 2001 06:48:37 -0800 I have found lately that if I buy something breaking out in the morning - by = afternoon, the breakout often fails and I am stuck! If I restrict my buys to = the last 30 minutes....the trade could get away from me. I would welcome any comments on your thoughts about if the time of the day is = relevant using this system. Thanks, Neal - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Perry Stanfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The M Date: 31 Oct 2001 07:03:35 -0800 > Andreas, do you stay up all night for this market? You're nuts! Not as nuts as getting up at 6:30 am just to watch the opening........I'd much rather do it in Germany........and Katherine, certainly I'd be interested in hearing the answers to your own questions...........I liked your input on TARO along with its peers (its, folks.....its.....do you see that? its, NOT it's with an apostrophe..........sorry, my English teacher is still in my head............) good luck everyone........... dark, cold, and rainy in Washington this morning Perry - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day Date: 31 Oct 2001 09:02:37 -0600 You bring up a good point, Neal. I've been puzzled over this one myself recently. Here's my (still under construction) conclusions so far: We're looking for "the perfect breakout" of a particular pivot point with at least 150% volume. So, if you're trading intraday, that means you can watch for the trades to hit the pivot point. Sometimes that means it's early in the morning, sometimes later in the day, so easy enough to extrapolate the volume to end of day. So far so good. But I've been whipsawed a couple of times recently and it makes me wonder. Maybe buying at the pivot is not as critical as buying in "the zone" with clear confirmation the zone is going to hold. So, let's say 1 hour into the day the pivot is hit. Extrapolate volume, it's ok. Now *wait* for at least an hour to see if the volume of activity around the pivot continues. I'm guessing that would keep me from entering the trade and seeing sellers quickly run in and move the price back into the base or handle. My conclusion is that when the market is still trying to find its legs, it's better to be buying a little late (as much as pivot +5%) than to be exactly on pivot and being cast into whipsaw h***. Time of day seems less critical than confirmation of the move. A great example of this is BVF. Know there's been some discussion threads on this recently. This one's "tried" to break out several times and frankly, sucked me in. If I'd been following the entry guidelines I just mentioned, I would have waited. I've finally figured out that this one's a classic "ascending base" and that means it will have several breakout failures. Now, just need to see if it can manage to break out of the upper trend line on volume. Maybe, one day, it will. And maybe this time I'll be better prepared. Now I know that doesn't really address the issue of "best time of day" exactly, but am hoping this is still on point. Would love to hear some additional input on this issue. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:48 AM I have found lately that if I buy something breaking out in the morning - by afternoon, the breakout often fails and I am stuck! If I restrict my buys to the last 30 minutes....the trade could get away from me. I would welcome any comments on your thoughts about if the time of the day is relevant using this system. Thanks, Neal - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ian" Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom ... Date: 31 Oct 2001 07:35:34 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0293_01C161DE.A06E6D30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom: Nice results for AFAM yesterday. What is your opinion of a purchase here = around $12.40? What kind of earnings/growth can be expected boing forward? Thanks for any insights, Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Thanks, John, appreciate the different view. I had not seen the head & = shoulders, and its inverse, until you pointed it out. That's what I love = about the stock market, the "indecisiveness", you are really on your own = unless you cop out and buy mutual funds, and leave the worry factor up = to the fund manager. Either way, it seems we all appear to see the formation as incomplete = at this time, but maybe worth watching. That right shoulder off the = inverse h&s, or handle of the cup, needs to decide what it's going to = do. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical illusions that = look different depending on which eye you use! =20 TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from late = June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late August = (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline. The = neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that = followed Sep 11. But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned = to the right neckline at $35 and paused. One would expect the stock to = really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely. = I've read that when a stock traces through a certain bearish formation = then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it is extremely = bullish. So, we'll have to see. =20 Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and = shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the = above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days = following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well formed. =20 In either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base = off of it's incredible run this year. It appears to be forming the = right side of a cup. From what I understand, the first step of a = healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward channel of = successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July peak = to its September low. It looks like it did that on Oct 10. It then = needs to return to that downtrend line or retest the bottom before = moving up. It looks like it tried that on Oct 18. Either way, it seems = to now be making higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its = way back up to the old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower = volume. Again, we'll see. =20 I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how = I see these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything. And being = indecisive makes investing difficult. Usually, when I am sure about = something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I expect! But, I = thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different = perspective. =20 BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey = bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off. But, I also agree with Katherine (?) = who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's = peers. =20 Oops, there's that indecisiveness again... =20 Cheers, John C. -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:13 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Peter, =20 Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. = Thanks for the confirming thoughts. =20 Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Christiansen=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Excellent point Katherine. The industry group weakness is the = one black mark I give TARO. In the present environment, and it is a = very big black mark. Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. = Suspect we are in another bear market rally. On the other hand, if it = breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it. Peter At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the = same group. With TARO, here's its cohorts: BRL: KO'd (knocked-out) ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS WPI: KO'd MYL: suspect, with gaps down PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS IVX: KO'd I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than = working through that handle and breaking out. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Williams, Bob" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before = I've "felt out" > the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? = It doesn't > look like volume is "drying up." > > Bob Williams > EDS Systems > California Medi-Cal > phone: (916) 861-1861 > fax: (916) 636-1002 > cell: (916) 804-6803 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard = Time, > > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: > > > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally > > slightly undercut > > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that > > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< > > > > Peter: > > > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO = formed > > a very nice > > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd > > bottom was in late > > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in = late > > September, and > > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. > > Presently, TARO seems to > > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when > > meeting the same level > > as the W formation's apex. > > > > jans > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In = the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do = not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0293_01C161DE.A06E6D30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tom:
 
Nice results for AFAM yesterday. What is your = opinion of a=20 purchase here around $12.40?
 
What kind of earnings/growth can be expected boing=20 forward?
 
Thanks for any insights,
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 5:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech = Analysis=20 notes on TARO

Thanks, John, appreciate the different view. I had = not seen=20 the head & shoulders, and its inverse, until you pointed it out. = That's=20 what I love about the stock market, the "indecisiveness", you are = really on=20 your own unless you cop out and buy mutual funds, and leave the worry = factor=20 up to the fund manager.
 
Either way, it seems we all appear to see the = formation as=20 incomplete at this time, but maybe worth watching. That right shoulder = off the=20 inverse h&s, or handle of the cup, needs to decide what it's going = to=20 do.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cefaloni, John L Jr. = [AMSTA-AR-WEA]
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 7:45=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tech = Analysis notes=20 on TARO

Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical = illusions=20 that look different depending on which eye you = use!
 
TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top = from late=20 June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late = August (right=20 shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline.  The = neckline=20 appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that followed = Sep=20 11.  But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned to = the=20 right neckline at $35 and paused.  One would expect the stock = to really=20 fall at that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely.  = I've read=20 that when a stock traces through a certain bearish formation then = suddenly=20 turns around instead of falling, that it is extremely bullish.  = So,=20 we'll have to see.
 
Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head = and=20 shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same = as the=20 above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading = days=20 following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well=20 formed.
 
In=20 either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base off = of it's=20 incredible run this year.  It appears to be forming the right = side of a=20 cup.  From what I understand, the first step of a healthy cup = formation=20 was breaking out of the downward channel of successive lower lows = and lower=20 highs that it formed from its July peak to its September=20 low. It = looks like it did=20 that on Oct 10.  It then needs to return to that downtrend line = or=20 retest the bottom before moving up.  It looks like it tried = that on Oct=20 18.  Either way, it seems to now be making higher lows and = higher=20 highs, where it should work its way back up to the old high of 49, = then=20 pause to form a handle on lower volume.  Again, we'll=20 see.
 
I=20 know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how I = see=20 these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything.  And = being=20 indecisive makes investing difficult.  Usually, when I am sure = about=20 something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I = expect! =20 But, I thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a = different=20 perspective.
 
BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's = spikey=20 bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off.  But, I also agree with = Katherine=20 (?) who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of = it's=20 peers.
 
Oops, there's that indecisiveness = again...
 
Cheers,
John C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm = [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, = 2001=20 9:13 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] TARO

Peter,
 
Agreed 100%. I recently moved = TARO to my=20 "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks for the=20 confirming thoughts.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Christiansen
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Tuesday, October = 30, 2001=20 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

Excellent point Katherine.  The industry = group=20 weakness is the one black mark I give TARO.  In the present = environment, and it is a very big black mark.  Even = if TARO=20 breaks out, I probably won't buy it. Suspect we are in another = bear=20 market rally.  On the other hand, if it breaks down, I = would=20 seriously consider shorting it.

Peter

At 07:36 PM=20 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:
If I'm ever in doubt = about a=20 chart, I'll look at others in the same group.
With TARO, = here's its=20 cohorts:
BRL: KO'd (knocked-out)
ADRX: lousy, wide and = loose,=20 low RS
WPI: KO'd
MYL: suspect, with gaps down
PRX: = suspect,=20 sure looks triple toppy
ALO: lousy, gap down, low = RS
IVX:=20 KO'd

I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather = than=20 working through that
handle and breaking=20 out.

Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From: = "Williams, Bob" <robert.c.williams@eds.com>
To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October = 30, 2001=20 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO


> I'm = brand new=20 here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt = out"
>=20 the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the = handle?  It=20 doesn't
> look like volume is "drying = up."
>
> Bob=20 Williams
> EDS Systems
> California = Medi-Cal
>=20 phone: (916) 861-1861
> fax: (916) 636-1002
> = cell: (916)=20 804-6803
>
>
> > -----Original=20 Message-----
> > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
> > = Sent:=20 Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM
> > To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO
> >
> >
> > In a message dated = 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> >=20 peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes:
> >
> > = << In a=20 double bottom, the second bottom should ideally
> > = slightly=20 undercut
> >  the first.  In this instance, = I don't=20 think it fits that
> >  description.  = Anyway,=20 double bottoms form handles too.<<
> >
> = >=20 Peter:
> >
> >      = I'm not=20 sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed
> > = a very=20 nice
> > double bottom:  The first bottom was in = August=20 and the 2nd
> > bottom was in late
> >=20 September.  Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in=20 late
> > September, and
> > also that the = 2nd bottom=20 IS below the first bottom.
> > Presently, TARO seems=20 to
> > be making a handle on light volume-after = stalling=20 when
> > meeting the same level
> > as the W = formation's apex.
> >
> > = jans
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0293_01C161DE.A06E6D30-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: Risk, Kent Norman Date: 31 Oct 2001 09:24:30 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01C161ED.D836D4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kent, this is something I've been thinking about a great deal lately and = have some ideas on the subject but don't want to wax tangential. What's = your context for the question on risk? Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net From: Kent Norman I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one stock is more risky than another. When I try to determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers. The only thing I can quantify is volatility. Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to compare and quantify risk on individual stocks? Thanks Kent Norman ------=_NextPart_000_015B_01C161ED.D836D4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Kent, this is something I've been thinking about a great deal = lately and=20 have some ideas on the subject but don't want to wax tangential. What's = your=20 context for the question on risk?
 
Katherine
 
<!--StartFragment-->From: Kent Norman=20 <kent_norman@yahoo.com>
Subject: [CANSLIM] Risk = assessment
Date: 26=20 Oct 2001 08:40:58 -0700 (PDT)

I hear a lot of people talk about = risk. As=20 in one
stock is more risky than another. When I try to
determine = how they=20 asses risk, I get vague answers.
The only thing I can quantify is=20 volatility.

Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how = to
compare=20 and quantify risk on individual stocks?

Thanks
Kent=20 Norman
------=_NextPart_000_015B_01C161ED.D836D4A0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The M Date: 31 Oct 2001 09:29:59 -0600 Still trying to get my spell checker to know the difference between possessive and contracted "its". Hah! Thanks for the feedback, Perry. To what questions are you referring? I ask so many. :)) Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:03 AM > > Not as nuts as getting up at 6:30 am just to watch the opening........I'd > much rather do it in Germany........and Katherine, certainly I'd be > interested in hearing the answers to your own questions...........I liked > your input on TARO along with its peers (its, folks.....its.....do you see > that? its, NOT it's with an apostrophe..........sorry, my English teacher > is still in my head............) > > good luck everyone........... > > dark, cold, and rainy in Washington this morning > > Perry > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Warren Keuffel Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RE: Risk, Kent Norman Date: 31 Oct 2001 08:43:26 -0700 --------------95894171A6C0ABD5A2838C87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Totally off CANSLIM (or investing) but...do you have a relative in SLC, UT named Charlotte? If so I know her... I am impressed with the messages you have been contributing to the list. I am learning lots from you and Tom and the rest. It's a great list! Warren Katherine Malm wrote: > Kent, this is something I've been thinking about a great deal lately > and have some ideas on the subject but don't want to wax tangential. > What's your context for the question on > risk? Katherinekmalm@earthlink.net From: Kent > Norman > Subject: [CANSLIM] Risk assessment > Date: 26 Oct 2001 08:40:58 -0700 (PDT) > > I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one > stock is more risky than another. When I try to > determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers. > The only thing I can quantify is volatility. > > Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to > compare and quantify risk on individual stocks? > > Thanks > Kent Norman --------------95894171A6C0ABD5A2838C87 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Totally off CANSLIM (or investing) but...do you have a relative in SLC, UT named Charlotte?  If so I know her...

I am impressed with the messages you have been contributing to the list.  I am learning lots from you and Tom and the rest.  It's a great list!

Warren

Katherine Malm wrote:

Kent, this is something I've been thinking about a great deal lately and have some ideas on the subject but don't want to wax tangential. What's your context for the question on risk? Katherinekmalm@earthlink.net <!--StartFragment-->From: Kent Norman <kent_norman@yahoo.com>
Subject: [CANSLIM] Risk assessment
Date: 26 Oct 2001 08:40:58 -0700 (PDT)

I hear a lot of people talk about risk. As in one
stock is more risky than another. When I try to
determine how they asses risk, I get vague answers.
The only thing I can quantify is volatility.

Does anyone have a formula or suggestion on how to
compare and quantify risk on individual stocks?

Thanks
Kent Norman

--------------95894171A6C0ABD5A2838C87-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all Date: 31 Oct 2001 08:53:31 -0700 --=====================_229172425==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Katherine I've only been playing the short side of the market since April '01. Just want to make you aware of my limited experience with it. I only use Puts which limits my risk and which is why my broker allows it in my IRA rollover. I look for Puts about 4 to 6 months out and 1 to 2 strikes in the money. The best guidelines I've seen so far for picking longs or shorts are those of Mark Boucher. He's got a book out called The Hedge Fund edge that lists his criteria for longs/shorts regarding both fundamentals and chart patterns. It's the best way to go for a beginner like myself. He also has a 10 week course on the Trading Markets.com site, that's free if you're a member, which has pretty much the same info on short selection as the book. But I think if you're not a TM member you can also just buy the course for something like 40 bucks if you go to tradersgalleria.com. There are guys like Goran Yordanoff who day trade and position trade using mostly technicals and money flow indicators of stocks he believes are overvalued. He was a big shorter of ADVP at it's 'breakout' and apparantly did very well. I think his style is very advanced and would not recommend it for a beginner. But if you are investing full time and have access to all the real time institutional money flow info and are adept and reading charts and other technical indicators then I'm sure you could also do it. 1. Just watching the major indices is the first step. Being aware of head and shoulder formations, double bottoms, price/volume action. The amazing thing about tracking growth stocks daily is that the number of stocks meeting your criteria for longs/shorts and the look of their chart formations is about the most perfect indicator of market direction there is. Some people also keep track of the number of daily new highs vs. new lows of stocks with EPS and RS greater than 80 for the longs and EPS and RS less than 50 for the shorts. If you're getting a whole bunch more long candidates than short candidates then you might want to lighten up on the shorts. 2. I first sort through DGO for stocks with the worst fundies. Example of criteria are EPS and RS less than 50, last years annual revenues declining and next years est. of annual rev declining and last two quarters earnings less than same quarter previous year or negative. Also debt of greater than 50% and fund/bank ownership of stock over 20% help add down fuel. Criteria like that will pretty much guarantee you will be looking at stocks under the 50dma and 200dma which is where you want to be when you are playing the short side. 3. Again Mark Boucher has good summaries of what he thinks are the best chart patterns. Basically it's the same chart patterns you would look for in a long but just upside down. i.e. inverted C&H, inverted flag or pullback from a low. The puts I've got on right now in DCN and EK were in runaway mode, meaning a few gap downs on increasing volume, then the stock based or pulled back up over a 4 week or more period then started to break down again. You jump in when they hit new lows. 4. Most of my own short picks that I've made using the criteria I mentioned above have made money. Patience pays. Since I use options I limit my entire position to 2% of my account since with an option it's always a possibility something can go wrong before you can get out and you can end up with a 100% loss. Mark Boucher doesn't necessarily have % numbers he follows for getting out of a losing trade. He uses the low of whatever chart pattern he's in. For shorts that would be the top of a flag. And for C&H, believe it or not, it could actually be all the way to the low (or peak) of the cup. But with options/puts I usually don't wait that long.I don't use technical indicators. Just price/volume action. 5. With my puts I take half profits at 50% then try to hold out for 100% for the rest. That's the max. Hope that helps. Doug At 08:31 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote: >Wanted to followup on your comments in the TARO thread, DougC. > >I know WON isn't a great fan of shorting. He barely mentions it in HTMMIS >and generally blows off any questions about it in his seminars. So that >leaves me to my own vices! Frankly, I never shorted a stock in my life >until March 2000 and then it was easy. Pick a stock, any stock, it'll go >down. Well, at least until the first bounce. Point is, I've been working >to perfect my shorting skills (sure as I do so, Mr. M will go right back up!). > >I've been accumulating notes from my experiences the last year and would >like to get feedback from the members as to: > >(1) Under what market conditions will you short or not short? >(2) What is your best method for scanning for short candidates? >(3) What patterns have created your best shorts? >(4) What techniques do you use for managing your short positions? For >example, setting stops for profits, setting stops for stop-loss (i.e, what >signals do you use to know the position is moving against you and what >limit do you place), mental or open protective stops, etc. >(5) What do you use to determine if you've been in the short long enough? >For example, is it based on time, % profit, change in pattern, etc. > >I found Stan Weinstein's book to be incredibly helpful, but it doesn't >really get to the nitty-gritty of these finer points. Would sure >appreciate any feedback. > >Katherine >kmalm@earthlink.net > > > --=====================_229172425==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Katherine

I've only been playing the short side of the market since April '01. Just want to make you aware of my limited experience with it.  I only use Puts which limits my risk and which is why my broker allows it in my IRA rollover. I look for Puts about 4 to 6 months out and 1 to 2 strikes in the money.  The best guidelines I've seen so far for picking longs or shorts are those of Mark Boucher. He's got a book out called The Hedge Fund edge that lists his criteria for longs/shorts regarding both fundamentals and chart patterns. It's the best way to go for a beginner like myself. He also has a 10 week course on the Trading Markets.com site, that's free if you're a member, which has pretty much the same info on short selection as the book. But I think if you're not a TM member you can also just buy the course for something like 40 bucks if you go to tradersgalleria.com. There are guys like Goran Yordanoff who day trade and position trade using mostly technicals and money flow indicators of stocks he believes are overvalued. He was a big shorter of ADVP at it's 'breakout' and apparantly did very well. I think his style is very advanced and would not recommend it for a beginner. But if you are investing full time and have access to all the real time institutional money flow info and are adept and reading charts and other technical indicators then I'm sure you could also do it.

1. Just watching the major indices is the first step. Being aware of head and shoulder formations, double bottoms, price/volume action. The amazing thing about tracking growth stocks daily is that the number of stocks meeting your criteria for longs/shorts and the look of their chart formations is about the most perfect indicator of market direction there is. Some people also keep track of the number of daily new highs vs. new lows of stocks with EPS and RS greater than 80 for the longs and EPS and RS less than 50 for the shorts. If you're getting a whole bunch more long candidates than short candidates then you might want to lighten up on the shorts.

2. I first sort through DGO for stocks with the worst fundies. Example of criteria are EPS and RS less than 50, last years annual revenues declining and next years est. of annual rev declining and last two quarters earnings less than same quarter previous year or negative. Also debt of greater than 50% and fund/bank ownership of stock over 20% help add down fuel. Criteria like that will pretty much guarantee you will be looking at stocks under the 50dma and 200dma which is where you want to be when you are playing the short side.

3. Again Mark Boucher has good summaries of what he thinks are the best chart patterns. Basically it's the same chart patterns you would look for in a long but just upside down. i.e. inverted C&H, inverted flag or pullback from a low. The puts I've got on right now in DCN and EK were in runaway mode, meaning a few gap downs on increasing volume, then the stock based or pulled back up over a 4 week or more period then started to break down again. You jump in when they hit new lows.

4. Most of my own short picks that I've made using the criteria I mentioned above have made money. Patience pays.  Since I use options I limit my entire position to 2% of my account since with an option it's always a possibility something can go wrong before you can get out and you can end up with a 100% loss. Mark Boucher doesn't necessarily have % numbers he follows for getting out of a losing trade. He uses the low of whatever chart pattern he's in. For shorts that would be the top of a flag. And for C&H, believe it or not, it could actually be all the way to the low (or peak) of the cup. But with options/puts I usually don't wait that long.I don't use technical indicators. Just price/volume action.

5. With my puts I take half profits at 50% then try to hold out for 100% for the rest. That's the max.

Hope that helps.

Doug

At 08:31 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
Wanted to followu= p on your comments in the TARO thread, DougC.
 
I know WON isn't a great fan of shorting. He barely mentions it in HTMMIS and generally blows off any questions about it in his seminars. So that leaves me to my own vices! Frankly, I never shorted a stock in my life until March 2000 and then it was easy. Pick a stock, any stock, it'll go down. Well, at least until the first bounce. Point is, I've been working to perfect my shorting skills (sure as I do so, Mr. M will go right back up!).
 
I've been accumulating notes from my experiences the last year and would like to get feedback from the members as to:
 
(1) Under what market conditions will you shor= t or not short?
(2) What is your best method for scanning for short candidates?
(3) What patterns have created your best shorts?
(4) What techniques do you use for managing your short positions? For example, setting stops for profits, setting stops for stop-loss (i.e, what signals do you use to know the position is moving against you and what limit do you place), mental or open protective stops, etc.
(5) What do you use to determine if you've been in the short long enough? For example, is it based on time, % profit, change in pattern, etc.
 
I found Stan Weinstein's book to be incredibly helpful, but it doesn't really get to the nitty-gritty of these finer points. Would sure appreciate any feedback.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
 
 
--=====================_229172425==_.ALT-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "walter nusbaum" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] The M Date: 31 Oct 2001 10:06:45 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:36 AM > This market is way too difficult to call it a bull market. I even made a > ton of money in the (false) rally of this spring, but now its different ... > > Third distribution day in three weeks is enough for me to get flat ... > > Andreas > Andreas, Actually, there have been four distribution days in three weeks: 10/9, 10/17, 10/23, and 10/30 with a declination on all three major indices on each day. It will be interesting to see where the market closes today after showing nice gains in the first couple of hours. Best wishes, Walt - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all Date: 31 Oct 2001 10:22:21 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C161F5.ED546F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Doug, Thanks so much for thorough reply. Isn't TM.com terrific? I've been a = member since early 2000, but only recently started reading Boucher. He's = scary smart. I just recently purchased his book after the TM conference, = so haven't dug in enough to absorb all of his techniques. What I learned = at the conference, however, was that he is a CANSLIMer at his core, but = has refined his technique to lower risk. Very attractive. (Also *love* = his notion of using the "mental bank" and have recently started work on = setting up my own.) I think your comment about patience is key. Seems like you need a steel = stomach and plenty of patience to play shorts to their best advantage. = Fine line between patience and knowing when the trade's working against = you, though. With respect to your scanning criteria, do you ever use the TM = indicators for Boucher's bottom RS/EPS/New lows list or any of the other = downtrending indicators? Or do you just stick to using DGO? If you do = use TM indicators, is your success rate better/worse/same as using DGO? I'd like to followup with you on using puts at some point. I've been = doing all my shorting in my cash account, but it drives me crazy that I = don't know options and can't take advantage of shorting in my SEPIRA. After I've absorbed all your input, I'm sure I'll have many more = questions for you! Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all Hi Katherine I've only been playing the short side of the market since April '01. = Just want to make you aware of my limited experience with it. I only = use Puts which limits my risk and which is why my broker allows it in my = IRA rollover. I look for Puts about 4 to 6 months out and 1 to 2 strikes = in the money. The best guidelines I've seen so far for picking longs or = shorts are those of Mark Boucher. He's got a book out called The Hedge = Fund edge that lists his criteria for longs/shorts regarding both = fundamentals and chart patterns. It's the best way to go for a beginner = like myself. He also has a 10 week course on the Trading Markets.com = site, that's free if you're a member, which has pretty much the same = info on short selection as the book. But I think if you're not a TM = member you can also just buy the course for something like 40 bucks if = you go to tradersgalleria.com. There are guys like Goran Yordanoff who = day trade and position trade using mostly technicals and money flow = indicators of stocks he believes are overvalued. He was a big shorter of = ADVP at it's 'breakout' and apparantly did very well. I think his style = is very advanced and would not recommend it for a beginner. But if you = are investing full time and have access to all the real time = institutional money flow info and are adept and reading charts and other = technical indicators then I'm sure you could also do it.=20 1. Just watching the major indices is the first step. Being aware of = head and shoulder formations, double bottoms, price/volume action. The = amazing thing about tracking growth stocks daily is that the number of = stocks meeting your criteria for longs/shorts and the look of their = chart formations is about the most perfect indicator of market direction = there is. Some people also keep track of the number of daily new highs = vs. new lows of stocks with EPS and RS greater than 80 for the longs and = EPS and RS less than 50 for the shorts. If you're getting a whole bunch = more long candidates than short candidates then you might want to = lighten up on the shorts. 2. I first sort through DGO for stocks with the worst fundies. Example = of criteria are EPS and RS less than 50, last years annual revenues = declining and next years est. of annual rev declining and last two = quarters earnings less than same quarter previous year or negative. Also = debt of greater than 50% and fund/bank ownership of stock over 20% help = add down fuel. Criteria like that will pretty much guarantee you will be = looking at stocks under the 50dma and 200dma which is where you want to = be when you are playing the short side. 3. Again Mark Boucher has good summaries of what he thinks are the = best chart patterns. Basically it's the same chart patterns you would = look for in a long but just upside down. i.e. inverted C&H, inverted = flag or pullback from a low. The puts I've got on right now in DCN and = EK were in runaway mode, meaning a few gap downs on increasing volume, = then the stock based or pulled back up over a 4 week or more period then = started to break down again. You jump in when they hit new lows.=20 4. Most of my own short picks that I've made using the criteria I = mentioned above have made money. Patience pays. Since I use options I = limit my entire position to 2% of my account since with an option it's = always a possibility something can go wrong before you can get out and = you can end up with a 100% loss. Mark Boucher doesn't necessarily have % = numbers he follows for getting out of a losing trade. He uses the low of = whatever chart pattern he's in. For shorts that would be the top of a = flag. And for C&H, believe it or not, it could actually be all the way = to the low (or peak) of the cup. But with options/puts I usually don't = wait that long.I don't use technical indicators. Just price/volume = action. 5. With my puts I take half profits at 50% then try to hold out for = 100% for the rest. That's the max. Hope that helps. Doug At 08:31 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote: Wanted to followup on your comments in the TARO thread, DougC. =20 I know WON isn't a great fan of shorting. He barely mentions it in = HTMMIS and generally blows off any questions about it in his seminars. = So that leaves me to my own vices! Frankly, I never shorted a stock in = my life until March 2000 and then it was easy. Pick a stock, any stock, = it'll go down. Well, at least until the first bounce. Point is, I've = been working to perfect my shorting skills (sure as I do so, Mr. M will = go right back up!). =20 I've been accumulating notes from my experiences the last year and = would like to get feedback from the members as to: =20 (1) Under what market conditions will you short or not short? (2) What is your best method for scanning for short candidates? (3) What patterns have created your best shorts? (4) What techniques do you use for managing your short positions? = For example, setting stops for profits, setting stops for stop-loss = (i.e, what signals do you use to know the position is moving against you = and what limit do you place), mental or open protective stops, etc. (5) What do you use to determine if you've been in the short long = enough? For example, is it based on time, % profit, change in pattern, = etc. =20 I found Stan Weinstein's book to be incredibly helpful, but it = doesn't really get to the nitty-gritty of these finer points. Would sure = appreciate any feedback. =20 Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C161F5.ED546F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Doug,
 
Thanks so much for thorough reply. = Isn't TM.com=20 terrific? I've been a member since early 2000, but only recently started = reading=20 Boucher. He's scary smart. I just recently purchased his book after the = TM=20 conference, so haven't dug in enough to absorb all of his techniques. = What I=20 learned at the conference, however, was that he is a CANSLIMer at his = core, but=20 has refined his technique to lower risk. Very attractive. (Also *love* = his=20 notion of using the "mental bank" and have recently started work on = setting up=20 my own.)
 
I think your comment about patience is = key. Seems=20 like you need a steel stomach and plenty of patience to play shorts to = their=20 best advantage. Fine line between patience and knowing when the trade's = working=20 against you, though.
 
With respect to your scanning criteria, = do you ever=20 use the TM indicators for Boucher's bottom RS/EPS/New lows list or any = of the=20 other downtrending indicators? Or do you just stick to using DGO? If you = do use=20 TM indicators, is your success rate better/worse/same as using = DGO?
 
I'd like to followup with you on using = puts at some=20 point. I've been doing all my shorting in my cash account, but it drives = me=20 crazy that I don't know options and can't take advantage of shorting in = my=20 SEPIRA.
 
After I've absorbed all your input, I'm = sure I'll=20 have many more questions for you!
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 9:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting = Techniques, DougC and all

Hi Katherine

I've only been playing the short = side of=20 the market since April '01. Just want to make you aware of my limited=20 experience with it.  I only use Puts which limits my risk and = which is=20 why my broker allows it in my IRA rollover. I look for Puts about 4 to = 6=20 months out and 1 to 2 strikes in the money.  The best guidelines = I've=20 seen so far for picking longs or shorts are those of Mark Boucher. = He's got a=20 book out called The Hedge Fund edge that lists his criteria for = longs/shorts=20 regarding both fundamentals and chart patterns. It's the best way to = go for a=20 beginner like myself. He also has a 10 week course on the Trading = Markets.com=20 site, that's free if you're a member, which has pretty much the same = info on=20 short selection as the book. But I think if you're not a TM member you = can=20 also just buy the course for something like 40 bucks if you go to=20 tradersgalleria.com. There are guys like Goran Yordanoff who day trade = and=20 position trade using mostly technicals and money flow indicators of = stocks he=20 believes are overvalued. He was a big shorter of ADVP at it's = 'breakout' and=20 apparantly did very well. I think his style is very advanced and would = not=20 recommend it for a beginner. But if you are investing full time and = have=20 access to all the real time institutional money flow info and are = adept and=20 reading charts and other technical indicators then I'm sure you could = also do=20 it.

1. Just watching the major indices is the first step. = Being aware=20 of head and shoulder formations, double bottoms, price/volume action. = The=20 amazing thing about tracking growth stocks daily is that the number of = stocks=20 meeting your criteria for longs/shorts and the look of their chart = formations=20 is about the most perfect indicator of market direction there is. Some = people=20 also keep track of the number of daily new highs vs. new lows of = stocks with=20 EPS and RS greater than 80 for the longs and EPS and RS less than 50 = for the=20 shorts. If you're getting a whole bunch more long candidates than = short=20 candidates then you might want to lighten up on the shorts.

2. = I first=20 sort through DGO for stocks with the worst fundies. Example of = criteria are=20 EPS and RS less than 50, last years annual revenues declining and next = years=20 est. of annual rev declining and last two quarters earnings less than = same=20 quarter previous year or negative. Also debt of greater than 50% and = fund/bank=20 ownership of stock over 20% help add down fuel. Criteria like that = will pretty=20 much guarantee you will be looking at stocks under the 50dma and = 200dma which=20 is where you want to be when you are playing the short side.

3. = Again=20 Mark Boucher has good summaries of what he thinks are the best chart = patterns.=20 Basically it's the same chart patterns you would look for in a long = but just=20 upside down. i.e. inverted C&H, inverted flag or pullback from a = low. The=20 puts I've got on right now in DCN and EK were in runaway mode, meaning = a few=20 gap downs on increasing volume, then the stock based or pulled back up = over a=20 4 week or more period then started to break down again. You jump in = when they=20 hit new lows.

4. Most of my own short picks that I've made = using the=20 criteria I mentioned above have made money. Patience pays.  Since = I use=20 options I limit my entire position to 2% of my account since with an = option=20 it's always a possibility something can go wrong before you can get = out and=20 you can end up with a 100% loss. Mark Boucher doesn't necessarily have = %=20 numbers he follows for getting out of a losing trade. He uses the low = of=20 whatever chart pattern he's in. For shorts that would be the top of a = flag.=20 And for C&H, believe it or not, it could actually be all the way = to the=20 low (or peak) of the cup. But with options/puts I usually don't wait = that=20 long.I don't use technical indicators. Just price/volume = action.

5.=20 With my puts I take half profits at 50% then try to hold out for 100% = for the=20 rest. That's the max.

Hope that helps.

Doug

At = 08:31 AM=20 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
Wanted to followup on your comments in = the TARO=20 thread, DougC.
 
I = know WON isn't=20 a great fan of shorting. He barely mentions it in HTMMIS and = generally blows=20 off any questions about it in his seminars. So that leaves me to my = own=20 vices! Frankly, I never shorted a stock in my life until March 2000 = and then=20 it was easy. Pick a stock, any stock, it'll go down. Well, at least = until=20 the first bounce. Point is, I've been working to perfect my shorting = skills=20 (sure as I do so, Mr. M will go right back = up!).
 
I've been accumulating notes from my = experiences the last=20 year and would like to get feedback from the members as=20 to:
 
(1) Under what = market=20 conditions will you short or not short?
(2) What is your = best=20 method for scanning for short candidates?
(3) What patterns have = created=20 your best shorts?
(4) What techniques do you use for managing = your short=20 positions? For example, setting stops for profits, setting stops for = stop-loss (i.e, what signals do you use to know the position is = moving=20 against you and what limit do you place), mental or open protective = stops,=20 etc.
(5) What do you use to determine if you've been in the short = long=20 enough? For example, is it based on time, % profit, change in = pattern,=20 etc.
 
I found Stan = Weinstein's book to=20 be incredibly helpful, but it doesn't really get to the nitty-gritty = of=20 these finer points. Would sure appreciate any=20 feedback.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
=  
 
------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C161F5.ED546F20-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all Date: 31 Oct 2001 18:02:38 +0100 Doug, Katherine, thank you very much for this discussion. I was wondering how to built up knowlege on the short side. Just ordered the book. What is so good about TM.com? Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Katherine Malm [SMTP:kmalm@earthlink.net] > Gesendet am: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 5:22 PM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all > > Doug, > > Thanks so much for thorough reply. Isn't TM.com terrific? I've been a member since early 2000, but only recently started reading Boucher. He's scary smart. I just recently purchased his book after the TM conference, so haven't dug in enough to absorb all of his techniques. What I learned at the conference, however, was that he is a CANSLIMer at his core, but has refined his technique to lower risk. Very attractive. (Also *love* his notion of using the "mental bank" and have recently started work on setting up my own.) > > I think your comment about patience is key. Seems like you need a steel stomach and plenty of patience to play shorts to their best advantage. Fine line between patience and knowing when the trade's working against you, though. > > With respect to your scanning criteria, do you ever use the TM indicators for Boucher's bottom RS/EPS/New lows list or any of the other downtrending indicators? Or do you just stick to using DGO? If you do use TM indicators, is your success rate better/worse/same as using DGO? > > I'd like to followup with you on using puts at some point. I've been doing all my shorting in my cash account, but it drives me crazy that I don't know options and can't take advantage of shorting in my SEPIRA. > > After I've absorbed all your input, I'm sure I'll have many more questions for you! > > Katherine > kmalm@earthlink.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DougC > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all > > > Hi Katherine > > I've only been playing the short side of the market since April '01. Just want to make you aware of my limited experience with it. I only use Puts which limits my risk and which is why my broker allows it in my IRA rollover. I look for Puts about 4 to 6 months out and 1 to 2 strikes in the money. The best guidelines I've seen so far for picking longs or shorts are those of Mark Boucher. He's got a book out called The Hedge Fund edge that lists his criteria for longs/shorts regarding both fundamentals and chart patterns. It's the best way to go for a beginner like myself. He also has a 10 week course on the Trading Markets.com site, that's free if you're a member, which has pretty much the same info on short selection as the book. But I think if you're not a TM member you can also just buy the course for something like 40 bucks if you go to tradersgalleria.com. There are guys like Goran Yordanoff who day trade and position trade using mostly technicals and money flow indicators of stocks he believes are overvalued. He was a big shorter of ADVP at it's 'breakout' and apparantly did very well. I think his style is very advanced and would not recommend it for a beginner. But if you are investing full time and have access to all the real time institutional money flow info and are adept and reading charts and other technical indicators then I'm sure you could also do it. > > 1. Just watching the major indices is the first step. Being aware of head and shoulder formations, double bottoms, price/volume action. The amazing thing about tracking growth stocks daily is that the number of stocks meeting your criteria for longs/shorts and the look of their chart formations is about the most perfect indicator of market direction there is. Some people also keep track of the number of daily new highs vs. new lows of stocks with EPS and RS greater than 80 for the longs and EPS and RS less than 50 for the shorts. If you're getting a whole bunch more long candidates than short candidates then you might want to lighten up on the shorts. > > 2. I first sort through DGO for stocks with the worst fundies. Example of criteria are EPS and RS less than 50, last years annual revenues declining and next years est. of annual rev declining and last two quarters earnings less than same quarter previous year or negative. Also debt of greater than 50% and fund/bank ownership of stock over 20% help add down fuel. Criteria like that will pretty much guarantee you will be looking at stocks under the 50dma and 200dma which is where you want to be when you are playing the short side. > > 3. Again Mark Boucher has good summaries of what he thinks are the best chart patterns. Basically it's the same chart patterns you would look for in a long but just upside down. i.e. inverted C&H, inverted flag or pullback from a low. The puts I've got on right now in DCN and EK were in runaway mode, meaning a few gap downs on increasing volume, then the stock based or pulled back up over a 4 week or more period then started to break down again. You jump in when they hit new lows. > > 4. Most of my own short picks that I've made using the criteria I mentioned above have made money. Patience pays. Since I use options I limit my entire position to 2% of my account since with an option it's always a possibility something can go wrong before you can get out and you can end up with a 100% loss. Mark Boucher doesn't necessarily have % numbers he follows for getting out of a losing trade. He uses the low of whatever chart pattern he's in. For shorts that would be the top of a flag. And for C&H, believe it or not, it could actually be all the way to the low (or peak) of the cup. But with options/puts I usually don't wait that long.I don't use technical indicators. Just price/volume action. > > 5. With my puts I take half profits at 50% then try to hold out for 100% for the rest. That's the max. > > Hope that helps. > > Doug > > At 08:31 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote: > > Wanted to followup on your comments in the TARO thread, DougC. > > I know WON isn't a great fan of shorting. He barely mentions it in HTMMIS and generally blows off any questions about it in his seminars. So that leaves me to my own vices! Frankly, I never shorted a stock in my life until March 2000 and then it was easy. Pick a stock, any stock, it'll go down. Well, at least until the first bounce. Point is, I've been working to perfect my shorting skills (sure as I do so, Mr. M will go right back up!). > > I've been accumulating notes from my experiences the last year and would like to get feedback from the members as to: > > (1) Under what market conditions will you short or not short? > (2) What is your best method for scanning for short candidates? > (3) What patterns have created your best shorts? > (4) What techniques do you use for managing your short positions? For example, setting stops for profits, setting stops for stop-loss (i.e, what signals do you use to know the position is moving against you and what limit do you place), mental or open protective stops, etc. > (5) What do you use to determine if you've been in the short long enough? For example, is it based on time, % profit, change in pattern, etc. > > I found Stan Weinstein's book to be incredibly helpful, but it doesn't really get to the nitty-gritty of these finer points. Would sure appreciate any feedback. > > Katherine > kmalm@earthlink.net > > > > << Datei: ATT00005.htm >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Warren Keuffel Subject: [CANSLIM] Apologies... Date: 31 Oct 2001 10:12:35 -0700 Sorry for taking up the bandwidth -- somehow I sent to the list what I thought was a private message. Warren - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all Date: 31 Oct 2001 11:01:31 -0600 IMHO, TradingMarkets.com is a treasure chest. You know the old saying "when the student is ready, the teacher will arrive"? That's how I feel about it. It's a collection of people who are very knowledgeable about the markets and trading in many time frames. What's unique about the site is that they realize that successful trading is not about besting other traders, but in successfully trading your "edge" (a Mark Douglas term). With that premise in mind, they share their knowledge, experience and techniques in a friendly environment. They are very customer responsive, very personable and very dedicated to what they do. As always, everybody has their own opinions, so, as others have commented in previous posts, there are participants like Goran Yordanoff who leave. I suspect this was an ego thing. There were some really nasty posts flying back and forth between he and others on the Traderswire chat a few months back. Sometimes personalities just don't fit. Give it a whirl. And, as I always say, if you join, mention me, I get free prizes!!! Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:02 AM > Doug, Katherine, > > thank you very much for this discussion. I was wondering how to built up > knowlege on the short side. Just ordered the book. > > What is so good about TM.com? > > Andreas > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DougC Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all Date: 31 Oct 2001 10:53:18 -0700 --=====================_236359916==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Besides his suggestions of criteria for longs or shorts what I like about Bouchers book is his discussion of Economics. After being an active investor for a couple years I'm beginning to see the advantages of getting a bigger picture outlook of what's going on with the US and Global economy and the impact of technology trends. He's also got very strong ideas about the social security, minimum wages, etc. Over the winter I'm going to be reading a few of the other books he suggests. For a time I was looking up the individual stocks on the new high and new low lists every day. But I find I dislike learning about a stock after it's already broken out of a pattern. So now I just use the lists to get an idea of the direction of the market. If neither side is above 50 for a few days or more than there's not enough conviction in any direction to get too heavily invested. Since I have a full time job I find it easier to just set up a watch list for shorts/longs based on my scans of DGO and keep an eye on those instead of going through all those lists on TM. I'm following Boucher's suggestion to not add more than two shorts/longs per week. It's keeping me out of trouble. His suggestions for risk control and the timing of buying/selling are excellent. Far better and more reasonable than WON's I think. It was reassuring to me that Boucher, a graduate in Economics from Berkeley, did research with a Stanford Phd that verified and enhanced a lot of WON's ideas. And I was surprised that Boucher is even more conservative in his stock selection than WON but also is not afraid to turn it all upside down and short stocks. Not sure why WON had such a hard time with shorting. Heck...even I can do it. Here's how I use options. I go to CBOE.com. Look up the stock I'm interested in. Look for puts 1 or 2 strikes in the money and 4 to 6 months out (depends a little on volume - not all the stocks I pick have enough option volume to get a reasonable spread- and a lot of times the further out you go the less volume there is). I've looked into option valuation a little, but not a lot, and not sure it's worth the trouble. At least that's what my broker confirms. You'll find that not all stocks you pick to short even have listed options and then those that do are so thinly traded that you'll be taking on too much risk and/or paying too much of a spread to make it worth while. But my attitude has been once I find a stock with an option like I suggest above I pretty much have got to play it no matter whether it's theoretically over/under valued. If the goal is to play the stock in the direction it's going then option over/undervaluation is secondary. When a stock moves, if you've got an option that's in the money by more than 1 strike, it's pretty much going to move with it point for point. Hope that makes sense. I'm by no means an expert on options. Just giving you my point of view. I'm sure others here have a better understanding of option valuation than I do. At 10:22 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote: >Doug, > >Thanks so much for thorough reply. Isn't TM.com terrific? I've been a >member since early 2000, but only recently started reading Boucher. He's >scary smart. I just recently purchased his book after the TM conference, >so haven't dug in enough to absorb all of his techniques. What I learned >at the conference, however, was that he is a CANSLIMer at his core, but >has refined his technique to lower risk. Very attractive. (Also *love* his >notion of using the "mental bank" and have recently started work on >setting up my own.) > >I think your comment about patience is key. Seems like you need a steel >stomach and plenty of patience to play shorts to their best advantage. >Fine line between patience and knowing when the trade's working against >you, though. > >With respect to your scanning criteria, do you ever use the TM indicators >for Boucher's bottom RS/EPS/New lows list or any of the other downtrending >indicators? Or do you just stick to using DGO? If you do use TM >indicators, is your success rate better/worse/same as using DGO? > >I'd like to followup with you on using puts at some point. I've been doing >all my shorting in my cash account, but it drives me crazy that I don't >know options and can't take advantage of shorting in my SEPIRA. > >After I've absorbed all your input, I'm sure I'll have many more questions >for you! > >Katherine >kmalm@earthlink.net >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: DougC >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:53 AM >>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all >> >>Hi Katherine >> >>I've only been playing the short side of the market since April '01. Just >>want to make you aware of my limited experience with it. I only use Puts >>which limits my risk and which is why my broker allows it in my IRA >>rollover. I look for Puts about 4 to 6 months out and 1 to 2 strikes in >>the money. The best guidelines I've seen so far for picking longs or >>shorts are those of Mark Boucher. He's got a book out called The Hedge >>Fund edge that lists his criteria for longs/shorts regarding both >>fundamentals and chart patterns. It's the best way to go for a beginner >>like myself. He also has a 10 week course on the Trading Markets.com >>site, that's free if you're a member, which has pretty much the same info >>on short selection as the book. But I think if you're not a TM member you >>can also just buy the course for something like 40 bucks if you go to >>tradersgalleria.com. There are guys like Goran Yordanoff who day trade >>and position trade using mostly technicals and money flow indicators of >>stocks he believes are overvalued. He was a big shorter of ADVP at it's >>'breakout' and apparantly did very well. I think his style is very >>advanced and would not recommend it for a beginner. But if you are >>investing full time and have access to all the real time institutional >>money flow info and are adept and reading charts and other technical >>indicators then I'm sure you could also do it. >> >>1. Just watching the major indices is the first step. Being aware of head >>and shoulder formations, double bottoms, price/volume action. The amazing >>thing about tracking growth stocks daily is that the number of stocks >>meeting your criteria for longs/shorts and the look of their chart >>formations is about the most perfect indicator of market direction there >>is. Some people also keep track of the number of daily new highs vs. new >>lows of stocks with EPS and RS greater than 80 for the longs and EPS and >>RS less than 50 for the shorts. If you're getting a whole bunch more long >>candidates than short candidates then you might want to lighten up on the >>shorts. >> >>2. I first sort through DGO for stocks with the worst fundies. Example of >>criteria are EPS and RS less than 50, last years annual revenues >>declining and next years est. of annual rev declining and last two >>quarters earnings less than same quarter previous year or negative. Also >>debt of greater than 50% and fund/bank ownership of stock over 20% help >>add down fuel. Criteria like that will pretty much guarantee you will be >>looking at stocks under the 50dma and 200dma which is where you want to >>be when you are playing the short side. >> >>3. Again Mark Boucher has good summaries of what he thinks are the best >>chart patterns. Basically it's the same chart patterns you would look for >>in a long but just upside down. i.e. inverted C&H, inverted flag or >>pullback from a low. The puts I've got on right now in DCN and EK were in >>runaway mode, meaning a few gap downs on increasing volume, then the >>stock based or pulled back up over a 4 week or more period then started >>to break down again. You jump in when they hit new lows. >> >>4. Most of my own short picks that I've made using the criteria I >>mentioned above have made money. Patience pays. Since I use options I >>limit my entire position to 2% of my account since with an option it's >>always a possibility something can go wrong before you can get out and >>you can end up with a 100% loss. Mark Boucher doesn't necessarily have % >>numbers he follows for getting out of a losing trade. He uses the low of >>whatever chart pattern he's in. For shorts that would be the top of a >>flag. And for C&H, believe it or not, it could actually be all the way to >>the low (or peak) of the cup. But with options/puts I usually don't wait >>that long.I don't use technical indicators. Just price/volume action. >> >>5. With my puts I take half profits at 50% then try to hold out for 100% >>for the rest. That's the max. >> >>Hope that helps. >> >>Doug >> >>At 08:31 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote: >>>Wanted to followup on your comments in the TARO thread, DougC. >>> >>>I know WON isn't a great fan of shorting. He barely mentions it in >>>HTMMIS and generally blows off any questions about it in his seminars. >>>So that leaves me to my own vices! Frankly, I never shorted a stock in >>>my life until March 2000 and then it was easy. Pick a stock, any stock, >>>it'll go down. Well, at least until the first bounce. Point is, I've >>>been working to perfect my shorting skills (sure as I do so, Mr. M will >>>go right back up!). >>> >>>I've been accumulating notes from my experiences the last year and would >>>like to get feedback from the members as to: >>> >>>(1) Under what market conditions will you short or not short? >>>(2) What is your best method for scanning for short candidates? >>>(3) What patterns have created your best shorts? >>>(4) What techniques do you use for managing your short positions? For >>>example, setting stops for profits, setting stops for stop-loss (i.e, >>>what signals do you use to know the position is moving against you and >>>what limit do you place), mental or open protective stops, etc. >>>(5) What do you use to determine if you've been in the short long >>>enough? For example, is it based on time, % profit, change in pattern, etc. >>> >>>I found Stan Weinstein's book to be incredibly helpful, but it doesn't >>>really get to the nitty-gritty of these finer points. Would sure >>>appreciate any feedback. >>> >>>Katherine >>>kmalm@earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >> --=====================_236359916==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Besides his suggestions of criteria for longs or shorts what I like about Bouchers book is his discussion of Economics.
After being an active investor for a couple years I'm beginning to see the advantages of getting a bigger picture outlook of what's going on with the US and Global economy and the impact of technology trends. He's also got very strong ideas about the social security, minimum wages, etc. Over the winter I'm going to be reading a  few of the other books he suggests.

For a time I was looking up the individual stocks on the new high and new low lists every day. But I find I dislike learning about a stock after it's already broken out of a pattern. So now I just use the lists to get an idea of the direction of the market. If neither side is above 50 for a few days or more than there's not enough conviction in any direction to get too heavily invested. Since I have a full time job I find it easier to just set up a watch list for shorts/longs based on my scans of DGO and keep an eye on those instead of going through all those lists on TM.  I'm following Boucher's suggestion to not add more than two shorts/longs per week. It's keeping me out of trouble. His suggestions for risk control and the timing of buying/selling are excellent. Far better and more reasonable than WON's I think. It was reassuring to me that Boucher,  a graduate in Economics from Berkeley, did research with a Stanford Phd that verified and enhanced a lot of WON's ideas. And I was surprised that Boucher is even more conservative in his stock selection than WON but also is not afraid to turn it all upside down and short stocks. Not sure why WON had such a hard time with shorting. Heck...even I can do it.

Here's how I use options. I go to CBOE.com. Look up the stock I'm interested in. Look for puts 1 or 2 strikes in the money and 4 to 6 months out (depends a little on volume - not all the stocks I pick have enough option volume to get a reasonable spread- and a lot of times the further out you go the less volume there is). I've looked into option valuation a little, but not a lot, and not sure it's worth the trouble. At least that's what my broker confirms. You'll find that not all stocks you pick to short even have listed options and then those that do are so thinly traded that you'll be taking on too much risk and/or paying too much of a spread to make it worth while. But my attitude has been once I find a stock with an option like I suggest above I pretty much have got to play it no matter whether it's theoretically over/under valued. If the goal is to play the stock in the direction it's going then option over/undervaluation is secondary. When a stock moves, if you've got an option that's in the money by more than 1 strike, it's pretty much going to move with it point for point. Hope that makes sense. I'm by no means an expert on options. Just giving you my point of view. I'm sure others here have a better understanding of option valuation than I do.


 At 10:22 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
Doug,
 
Thanks so much for thorough reply. Isn't TM.co= m terrific? I've been a member since early 2000, but only recently started reading Boucher. He's scary smart. I just recently purchased his book after the TM conference, so haven't dug in enough to absorb all of his techniques. What I learned at the conference, however, was that he is a CANSLIMer at his core, but has refined his technique to lower risk. Very attractive. (Also *love* his notion of using the "mental bank" and have recently started work on setting up my own.)
 
I think your comment about patience is key. Seems like you need a steel stomach and plenty of patience to play shorts to their best advantage. Fine line between patience and knowing when the trade's working against you, though.
 
With respect to your scanning criteria, do you ever use the TM indicators for Boucher's bottom RS/EPS/New lows list or any of the other downtrending indicators? Or do you just stick to using DGO? If you do use TM indicators, is your success rate better/worse/same as using DGO?
 
I'd like to followup with you on using puts at some point. I've been doing all my shorting in my cash account, but it drives me crazy that I don't know options and can't take advantage of shorting in my SEPIRA.
 
After I've absorbed all your input, I'm sure I'll have many more questions for you!
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: DougC=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:53 AM=20
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all

Hi Katherine

I've only been playing the short side of the market since April '01. Just want to make you aware of my limited experience with it.  I only use Puts which limits my risk and which is why my broker allows it in my IRA rollover. I look for Puts about 4 to 6 months out and 1 to 2 strikes in the money.  The best guidelines I've seen so far for picking longs or shorts are those of Mark Boucher. He's got a book out called The Hedge Fund edge that lists his criteria for longs/shorts regarding both fundamentals and chart patterns. It's the best way to go for a beginner like myself. He also has a 10 week course on the Trading Markets.com site, that's free if you're a member, which has pretty much the same info on short selection as the book. But I think if you're not a TM member you can also just buy the course for something like 40 bucks if you go to tradersgalleria.com. There are guys like Goran Yordanoff who day trade and position trade using mostly technicals and money flow indicators of stocks he believes are overvalued. He was a big shorter of ADVP at it's 'breakout' and apparantly did very well. I think his style is very advanced and would not recommend it for a beginner. But if you are investing full time and have access to all the real time institutional money flow info and are adept and reading charts and other technical indicators then I'm sure you could also do it.

1. Just watching the major indices is the first step. Being aware of head and shoulder formations, double bottoms, price/volume action. The amazing thing about tracking growth stocks daily is that the number of stocks meeting your criteria for longs/shorts and the look of their chart formations is about the most perfect indicator of market direction there is. Some people also keep track of the number of daily new highs vs. new lows of stocks with EPS and RS greater than 80 for the longs and EPS and RS less than 50 for the shorts. If you're getting a whole bunch more long candidates than short candidates then you might want to lighten up on the shorts.

2. I first sort through DGO for stocks with the worst fundies. Example of criteria are EPS and RS less than 50, last years annual revenues declining and next years est. of annual rev declining and last two quarters earnings less than same quarter previous year or negative. Also debt of greater than 50% and fund/bank ownership of stock over 20% help add down fuel. Criteria like that will pretty much guarantee you will be looking at stocks under the 50dma and 200dma which is where you want to be when you are playing the short side.

3. Again Mark Boucher has good summaries of what he thinks are the best chart patterns. Basically it's the same chart patterns you would look for in a long but just upside down. i.e. inverted C&H, inverted flag or pullback from a low. The puts I've got on right now in DCN and EK were in runaway mode, meaning a few gap downs on increasing volume, then the stock based or pulled back up over a 4 week or more period then started to break down again. You jump in when they hit new lows.

4. Most of my own short picks that I've made using the criteria I mentioned above have made money. Patience pays.  Since I use options I limit my entire position to 2% of my account since with an option it's always a possibility something can go wrong before you can get out and you can end up with a 100% loss. Mark Boucher doesn't necessarily have % numbers he follows for getting out of a losing trade. He uses the low of whatever chart pattern he's in. For shorts that would be the top of a flag. And for C&H, believe it or not, it could actually be all the way to the low (or peak) of the cup. But with options/puts I usually don't wait that long.I don't use technical indicators. Just price/volume action.

5. With my puts I take half profits at 50% then try to hold out for 100% for the rest. That's the max.

Hope that helps.

Doug

At 08:31 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
Wanted to followup on your comments in the TARO thread, DougC.=20
 =20
I know WON isn't a great fan of shorting. He barely mentions it in HTMMIS and generally blows off any questions about it in his seminars. So that leaves me to my own vices! Frankly, I never shorted a stock in my life until March 2000 and then it was easy. Pick a stock, any stock, it'll go down. Well, at least until the first bounce. Point is, I've been working to perfect my shorting skills (sure as I do so, Mr. M will go right back up!).=20
 =20
I've been accumulating notes from my experiences the last year and would like to get feedback from the members as to:=20
 =20
(1) Under what market conditions will you short or not short?=20
(2) What is your best method for scanning for short candidates?=20
(3) What patterns have created your best shorts?=20
(4) What techniques do you use for managing your short positions? For example, setting stops for profits, setting stops for stop-loss (i.e, what signals do you use to know the position is moving against you and what limit do you place), mental or open protective stops, etc.=20
(5) What do you use to determine if you've been in the short long enough? For example, is it based on time, % profit, change in pattern, etc.=20
 =20
I found Stan Weinstein's book to be incredibly helpful, but it doesn't really get to the nitty-gritty of these finer points. Would sure appreciate any feedback.=20
 =20
Katherine=20
kmalm@earthlink.net=20
 =20
 =20
 

--=====================_236359916==_.ALT-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all Date: 31 Oct 2001 12:01:55 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0206_01C16203.D5BC5CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed on Boucher's economics outlook. Maybe the MBA in me, but when I = look at a stock, I always "build a case" for it before putting it on my = watchlist. Fundamentally, how is it doing? What gives its = products/services competitive advantage? Is it sustainable? Who are the = competitors? Even more important, what are the macro events that would = drive its business and its industry? Is that a short or long term move? = What is the macroeconomic environment that the industry is operating in? = Is it sustainable/in flux? What fiscal or monetary events would = help/hinder the move? I've always called it "building scenarios." = Boucher has confirmed how important this is and then builds a more = rigorous model around it. Got to love it. Again, thanks for the additional input on shorting and options. Now I = just need to percolate on it. Katherine kmalm@eathlink.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all Besides his suggestions of criteria for longs or shorts what I like = about Bouchers book is his discussion of Economics.=20 After being an active investor for a couple years I'm beginning to see = the advantages of getting a bigger picture outlook of what's going on = with the US and Global economy and the impact of technology trends. He's = also got very strong ideas about the social security, minimum wages, = etc. Over the winter I'm going to be reading a few of the other books = he suggests.=20 For a time I was looking up the individual stocks on the new high and = new low lists every day. But I find I dislike learning about a stock = after it's already broken out of a pattern. So now I just use the lists = to get an idea of the direction of the market. If neither side is above = 50 for a few days or more than there's not enough conviction in any = direction to get too heavily invested. Since I have a full time job I = find it easier to just set up a watch list for shorts/longs based on my = scans of DGO and keep an eye on those instead of going through all those = lists on TM. I'm following Boucher's suggestion to not add more than = two shorts/longs per week. It's keeping me out of trouble. His = suggestions for risk control and the timing of buying/selling are = excellent. Far better and more reasonable than WON's I think. It was = reassuring to me that Boucher, a graduate in Economics from Berkeley, = did research with a Stanford Phd that verified and enhanced a lot of = WON's ideas. And I was surprised that Boucher is even more conservative = in his stock selection than WON but also is not afraid to turn it all = upside down and short stocks. Not sure why WON had such a hard time with = shorting. Heck...even I can do it. Here's how I use options. I go to CBOE.com. Look up the stock I'm = interested in. Look for puts 1 or 2 strikes in the money and 4 to 6 = months out (depends a little on volume - not all the stocks I pick have = enough option volume to get a reasonable spread- and a lot of times the = further out you go the less volume there is). I've looked into option = valuation a little, but not a lot, and not sure it's worth the trouble. = At least that's what my broker confirms. You'll find that not all stocks = you pick to short even have listed options and then those that do are so = thinly traded that you'll be taking on too much risk and/or paying too = much of a spread to make it worth while. But my attitude has been once I = find a stock with an option like I suggest above I pretty much have got = to play it no matter whether it's theoretically over/under valued. If = the goal is to play the stock in the direction it's going then option = over/undervaluation is secondary. When a stock moves, if you've got an = option that's in the money by more than 1 strike, it's pretty much going = to move with it point for point. Hope that makes sense. I'm by no means = an expert on options. Just giving you my point of view. I'm sure others = here have a better understanding of option valuation than I do. At 10:22 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote: Doug, =20 Thanks so much for thorough reply. Isn't TM.com terrific? I've been = a member since early 2000, but only recently started reading Boucher. = He's scary smart. I just recently purchased his book after the TM = conference, so haven't dug in enough to absorb all of his techniques. = What I learned at the conference, however, was that he is a CANSLIMer at = his core, but has refined his technique to lower risk. Very attractive. = (Also *love* his notion of using the "mental bank" and have recently = started work on setting up my own.) =20 I think your comment about patience is key. Seems like you need a = steel stomach and plenty of patience to play shorts to their best = advantage. Fine line between patience and knowing when the trade's = working against you, though. =20 With respect to your scanning criteria, do you ever use the TM = indicators for Boucher's bottom RS/EPS/New lows list or any of the other = downtrending indicators? Or do you just stick to using DGO? If you do = use TM indicators, is your success rate better/worse/same as using DGO? =20 I'd like to followup with you on using puts at some point. I've been = doing all my shorting in my cash account, but it drives me crazy that I = don't know options and can't take advantage of shorting in my SEPIRA. =20 After I've absorbed all your input, I'm sure I'll have many more = questions for you! =20 Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: DougC=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:53 AM=20 Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and all Hi Katherine I've only been playing the short side of the market since April = '01. Just want to make you aware of my limited experience with it. I = only use Puts which limits my risk and which is why my broker allows it = in my IRA rollover. I look for Puts about 4 to 6 months out and 1 to 2 = strikes in the money. The best guidelines I've seen so far for picking = longs or shorts are those of Mark Boucher. He's got a book out called = The Hedge Fund edge that lists his criteria for longs/shorts regarding = both fundamentals and chart patterns. It's the best way to go for a = beginner like myself. He also has a 10 week course on the Trading = Markets.com site, that's free if you're a member, which has pretty much = the same info on short selection as the book. But I think if you're not = a TM member you can also just buy the course for something like 40 bucks = if you go to tradersgalleria.com. There are guys like Goran Yordanoff = who day trade and position trade using mostly technicals and money flow = indicators of stocks he believes are overvalued. He was a big shorter of = ADVP at it's 'breakout' and apparantly did very well. I think his style = is very advanced and would not recommend it for a beginner. But if you = are investing full time and have access to all the real time = institutional money flow info and are adept and reading charts and other = technical indicators then I'm sure you could also do it.=20 1. Just watching the major indices is the first step. Being = aware of head and shoulder formations, double bottoms, price/volume = action. The amazing thing about tracking growth stocks daily is that the = number of stocks meeting your criteria for longs/shorts and the look of = their chart formations is about the most perfect indicator of market = direction there is. Some people also keep track of the number of daily = new highs vs. new lows of stocks with EPS and RS greater than 80 for the = longs and EPS and RS less than 50 for the shorts. If you're getting a = whole bunch more long candidates than short candidates then you might = want to lighten up on the shorts. 2. I first sort through DGO for stocks with the worst fundies. = Example of criteria are EPS and RS less than 50, last years annual = revenues declining and next years est. of annual rev declining and last = two quarters earnings less than same quarter previous year or negative. = Also debt of greater than 50% and fund/bank ownership of stock over 20% = help add down fuel. Criteria like that will pretty much guarantee you = will be looking at stocks under the 50dma and 200dma which is where you = want to be when you are playing the short side. 3. Again Mark Boucher has good summaries of what he thinks are = the best chart patterns. Basically it's the same chart patterns you = would look for in a long but just upside down. i.e. inverted C&H, = inverted flag or pullback from a low. The puts I've got on right now in = DCN and EK were in runaway mode, meaning a few gap downs on increasing = volume, then the stock based or pulled back up over a 4 week or more = period then started to break down again. You jump in when they hit new = lows.=20 4. Most of my own short picks that I've made using the criteria = I mentioned above have made money. Patience pays. Since I use options I = limit my entire position to 2% of my account since with an option it's = always a possibility something can go wrong before you can get out and = you can end up with a 100% loss. Mark Boucher doesn't necessarily have % = numbers he follows for getting out of a losing trade. He uses the low of = whatever chart pattern he's in. For shorts that would be the top of a = flag. And for C&H, believe it or not, it could actually be all the way = to the low (or peak) of the cup. But with options/puts I usually don't = wait that long.I don't use technical indicators. Just price/volume = action. 5. With my puts I take half profits at 50% then try to hold out = for 100% for the rest. That's the max. Hope that helps. Doug At 08:31 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote: Wanted to followup on your comments in the TARO thread, DougC. = =20 I know WON isn't a great fan of shorting. He barely mentions = it in HTMMIS and generally blows off any questions about it in his = seminars. So that leaves me to my own vices! Frankly, I never shorted a = stock in my life until March 2000 and then it was easy. Pick a stock, = any stock, it'll go down. Well, at least until the first bounce. Point = is, I've been working to perfect my shorting skills (sure as I do so, = Mr. M will go right back up!).=20 =20 I've been accumulating notes from my experiences the last year = and would like to get feedback from the members as to:=20 =20 (1) Under what market conditions will you short or not short?=20 (2) What is your best method for scanning for short = candidates?=20 (3) What patterns have created your best shorts?=20 (4) What techniques do you use for managing your short = positions? For example, setting stops for profits, setting stops for = stop-loss (i.e, what signals do you use to know the position is moving = against you and what limit do you place), mental or open protective = stops, etc.=20 (5) What do you use to determine if you've been in the short = long enough? For example, is it based on time, % profit, change in = pattern, etc.=20 =20 I found Stan Weinstein's book to be incredibly helpful, but it = doesn't really get to the nitty-gritty of these finer points. Would sure = appreciate any feedback.=20 =20 Katherine=20 kmalm@earthlink.net=20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0206_01C16203.D5BC5CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed on Boucher's economics outlook. = Maybe the=20 MBA in me, but when I look at a stock, I always "build a case" for it = before=20 putting it on my watchlist. Fundamentally, how is it doing? What gives = its=20 products/services competitive advantage? Is it sustainable? Who are the=20 competitors? Even more important, what are the macro events that = would=20 drive its business and its industry? Is that a short or long term move? = What is=20 the macroeconomic environment that the industry is operating in? Is it=20 sustainable/in flux? What fiscal or monetary events would help/hinder = the move?=20 I've always called it "building scenarios." Boucher has confirmed how = important=20 this is and then builds a more rigorous model around it. Got to love=20 it.
 
Again, thanks for the additional input = on shorting=20 and options. Now I just need to percolate on it.
 
Katherine
kmalm@eathlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 DougC =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 11:53=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting = Techniques, DougC and all

Besides his suggestions of criteria for longs or shorts = what I=20 like about Bouchers book is his discussion of Economics.
After = being an=20 active investor for a couple years I'm beginning to see the advantages = of=20 getting a bigger picture outlook of what's going on with the US and = Global=20 economy and the impact of technology trends. He's also got very strong = ideas=20 about the social security, minimum wages, etc. Over the winter I'm = going to be=20 reading a  few of the other books he suggests.

For a time = I was=20 looking up the individual stocks on the new high and new low lists = every day.=20 But I find I dislike learning about a stock after it's already broken = out of a=20 pattern. So now I just use the lists to get an idea of the direction = of the=20 market. If neither side is above 50 for a few days or more than = there's not=20 enough conviction in any direction to get too heavily invested. Since = I have a=20 full time job I find it easier to just set up a watch list for = shorts/longs=20 based on my scans of DGO and keep an eye on those instead of going = through all=20 those lists on TM.  I'm following Boucher's suggestion to not add = more=20 than two shorts/longs per week. It's keeping me out of trouble. His=20 suggestions for risk control and the timing of buying/selling are = excellent.=20 Far better and more reasonable than WON's I think. It was reassuring = to me=20 that Boucher,  a graduate in Economics from Berkeley, did = research with a=20 Stanford Phd that verified and enhanced a lot of WON's ideas. And I = was=20 surprised that Boucher is even more conservative in his stock = selection than=20 WON but also is not afraid to turn it all upside down and short = stocks. Not=20 sure why WON had such a hard time with shorting. Heck...even I can do=20 it.

Here's how I use options. I go to CBOE.com. Look up the = stock I'm=20 interested in. Look for puts 1 or 2 strikes in the money and 4 to 6 = months out=20 (depends a little on volume - not all the stocks I pick have enough = option=20 volume to get a reasonable spread- and a lot of times the further out = you go=20 the less volume there is). I've looked into option valuation a little, = but not=20 a lot, and not sure it's worth the trouble. At least that's what my = broker=20 confirms. You'll find that not all stocks you pick to short even have = listed=20 options and then those that do are so thinly traded that you'll be = taking on=20 too much risk and/or paying too much of a spread to make it worth = while. But=20 my attitude has been once I find a stock with an option like I suggest = above I=20 pretty much have got to play it no matter whether it's theoretically=20 over/under valued. If the goal is to play the stock in the direction = it's=20 going then option over/undervaluation is secondary. When a stock = moves, if=20 you've got an option that's in the money by more than 1 strike, it's = pretty=20 much going to move with it point for point. Hope that makes sense. I'm = by no=20 means an expert on options. Just giving you my point of view. I'm sure = others=20 here have a better understanding of option valuation than I=20 do.


 At 10:22 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
Doug,
 
Thanks so much for thorough reply. Isn't TM.com terrific? = I've been a=20 member since early 2000, but only recently started reading Boucher. = He's=20 scary smart. I just recently purchased his book after the TM = conference, so=20 haven't dug in enough to absorb all of his techniques. What I = learned at the=20 conference, however, was that he is a CANSLIMer at his core, but has = refined=20 his technique to lower risk. Very attractive. (Also *love* his = notion of=20 using the "mental bank" and have recently started work on setting up = my=20 own.)
 
I think your = comment about=20 patience is key. Seems like you need a steel stomach and plenty of = patience=20 to play shorts to their best advantage. Fine line between patience = and=20 knowing when the trade's working against you,=20 though.
 
With respect = to your=20 scanning criteria, do you ever use the TM indicators for Boucher's = bottom=20 RS/EPS/New lows list or any of the other downtrending indicators? Or = do you=20 just stick to using DGO? If you do use TM indicators, is your = success rate=20 better/worse/same as using DGO?
 
I'd like to followup with you on using puts at some point. = I've been=20 doing all my shorting in my cash account, but it drives me crazy = that I=20 don't know options and can't take advantage of shorting in my=20 SEPIRA.
 
After I've = absorbed all=20 your input, I'm sure I'll have many more questions for=20 you!
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: DougC=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:53 AM=20
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting Techniques, DougC and = all

Hi Katherine

I've only been playing the short side of the market since = April '01.=20 Just want to make you aware of my limited experience with = it.  I=20 only use Puts which limits my risk and which is why my broker = allows it=20 in my IRA rollover. I look for Puts about 4 to 6 months out and = 1 to 2=20 strikes in the money.  The best guidelines I've seen so far = for=20 picking longs or shorts are those of Mark Boucher. He's got a = book out=20 called The Hedge Fund edge that lists his criteria for = longs/shorts=20 regarding both fundamentals and chart patterns. It's the best = way to go=20 for a beginner like myself. He also has a 10 week course on the = Trading=20 Markets.com site, that's free if you're a member, which has = pretty much=20 the same info on short selection as the book. But I think if = you're not=20 a TM member you can also just buy the course for something like = 40 bucks=20 if you go to tradersgalleria.com. There are guys like Goran = Yordanoff=20 who day trade and position trade using mostly technicals and = money flow=20 indicators of stocks he believes are overvalued. He was a big = shorter of=20 ADVP at it's 'breakout' and apparantly did very well. I think = his style=20 is very advanced and would not recommend it for a beginner. But = if you=20 are investing full time and have access to all the real time=20 institutional money flow info and are adept and reading charts = and other=20 technical indicators then I'm sure you could also do it. =

1. Just watching the major indices is the first step. Being = aware of=20 head and shoulder formations, double bottoms, price/volume = action. The=20 amazing thing about tracking growth stocks daily is that the = number of=20 stocks meeting your criteria for longs/shorts and the look of = their=20 chart formations is about the most perfect indicator of market = direction=20 there is. Some people also keep track of the number of daily new = highs=20 vs. new lows of stocks with EPS and RS greater than 80 for the = longs and=20 EPS and RS less than 50 for the shorts. If you're getting a = whole bunch=20 more long candidates than short candidates then you might want = to=20 lighten up on the shorts.

2. I first sort through DGO for stocks with the worst = fundies.=20 Example of criteria are EPS and RS less than 50, last years = annual=20 revenues declining and next years est. of annual rev declining = and last=20 two quarters earnings less than same quarter previous year or = negative.=20 Also debt of greater than 50% and fund/bank ownership of stock = over 20%=20 help add down fuel. Criteria like that will pretty much = guarantee you=20 will be looking at stocks under the 50dma and 200dma which is = where you=20 want to be when you are playing the short side.

3. Again Mark Boucher has good summaries of what he thinks = are the=20 best chart patterns. Basically it's the same chart patterns you = would=20 look for in a long but just upside down. i.e. inverted C&H, = inverted=20 flag or pullback from a low. The puts I've got on right now in = DCN and=20 EK were in runaway mode, meaning a few gap downs on increasing = volume,=20 then the stock based or pulled back up over a 4 week or more = period then=20 started to break down again. You jump in when they hit new lows. =

4. Most of my own short picks that I've made using the = criteria I=20 mentioned above have made money. Patience pays.  Since I = use=20 options I limit my entire position to 2% of my account since = with an=20 option it's always a possibility something can go wrong before = you can=20 get out and you can end up with a 100% loss. Mark Boucher = doesn't=20 necessarily have % numbers he follows for getting out of a = losing trade.=20 He uses the low of whatever chart pattern he's in. For shorts = that would=20 be the top of a flag. And for C&H, believe it or not, it = could=20 actually be all the way to the low (or peak) of the cup. But = with=20 options/puts I usually don't wait that long.I don't use = technical=20 indicators. Just price/volume action.

5. With my puts I take half profits at 50% then try to hold = out for=20 100% for the rest. That's the max.

Hope that helps.

Doug

At 08:31 AM 10/31/01 -0600, you wrote:
Wanted to followup on your comments in the TARO thread,=20 DougC.=20
=20
I know WON isn't a great fan of shorting. He barely = mentions it in=20 HTMMIS and generally blows off any questions about it in his = seminars.=20 So that leaves me to my own vices! Frankly, I never shorted a = stock in=20 my life until March 2000 and then it was easy. Pick a stock, = any=20 stock, it'll go down. Well, at least until the first bounce. = Point is,=20 I've been working to perfect my shorting skills (sure as I do = so, Mr.=20 M will go right back up!).=20
=20
I've been accumulating notes from my experiences the last = year and=20 would like to get feedback from the members as to:=20
=20
(1) Under what market conditions will you short or not=20 short?=20
(2) What is your best method for scanning for short = candidates?=20
(3) What patterns have created your best shorts?=20
(4) What techniques do you use for managing your short = positions?=20 For example, setting stops for profits, setting stops for = stop-loss=20 (i.e, what signals do you use to know the position is moving = against=20 you and what limit do you place), mental or open protective = stops,=20 etc.=20
(5) What do you use to determine if you've been in the = short long=20 enough? For example, is it based on time, % profit, change in = pattern,=20 etc.=20
=20
I found Stan Weinstein's book to be incredibly helpful, = but it=20 doesn't really get to the nitty-gritty of these finer points. = Would=20 sure appreciate any feedback.=20
=20
Katherine=20
kmalm@earthlink.net=20
=20
=20 =
 

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Katherine,
 
I agree that some of the stocks in this group are breaking down or have broken down, but HGS has this group with a RS of 95. How can you say that this is a lousy group when it has such a high RS.
 
E
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:23 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO

Darn, you guys are *good*! Agreed, TARO was a much easier short back in July when it made that mini-blowoff top and the market was in a clear downtrend. Pretty clear TARO is the leader in a lousy group so will go down less and will recover sooner. As Tom also noted, great thing about CANSLIM is we don't have to guess, we can wait and let it tell us what it wants to do.
 
Also agree with you, Doug, that the *easiest* shorts right now are the weakest players already in confirmed downtrends. Especially like the ones that wedged up during this latest rally.
 
Katherine


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Date: 31 Oct 2001 11:43:08 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C16201.363DE580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all: I was wondering if anyone has any CANSLIM stock ideas (either in bases = or breakouts) that would stand to benefit from an 'unexpected' = surge/boom in Thanksgiving/Christmas retail sales. I believe that we have all of the fuel in place for a massive spending = boom: Mortgage costs dropping through the floor Fuel/gas prices dropping substantially Car/debt financing costs dropping Loads of $$$ in money-market funds earning almost nothing A live-for-today change in attitude trigggered by recent events (IMHO, this adds up to a MUCH higher level of disposable income for the = average person than 1 year ago) I am looking for quality companies that would benefit in an unexpected = way if such a spending surge were to happen over the next 2 months? Does = anyone see any pent-up demand in any areas out there? I would like to have a watch list of these to keep a keen eye on for any = early indicators of a strong unexpected uptick in business. Thanks for any ideas, Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom ... Tom: Nice results for AFAM yesterday. What is your opinion of a purchase = here around $12.40? What kind of earnings/growth can be expected boing forward? Thanks for any insights, Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Thanks, John, appreciate the different view. I had not seen the head = & shoulders, and its inverse, until you pointed it out. That's what I = love about the stock market, the "indecisiveness", you are really on = your own unless you cop out and buy mutual funds, and leave the worry = factor up to the fund manager. Either way, it seems we all appear to see the formation as = incomplete at this time, but maybe worth watching. That right shoulder = off the inverse h&s, or handle of the cup, needs to decide what it's = going to do. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical illusions that = look different depending on which eye you use! =20 TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from = late June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late = August (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline. = The neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that = followed Sep 11. But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned = to the right neckline at $35 and paused. One would expect the stock to = really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely. = I've read that when a stock traces through a certain bearish formation = then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it is extremely = bullish. So, we'll have to see. =20 Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and = shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the = above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days = following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well formed. =20 In either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base = off of it's incredible run this year. It appears to be forming the = right side of a cup. From what I understand, the first step of a = healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward channel of = successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July peak = to its September low. It looks like it did that on Oct 10. It then = needs to return to that downtrend line or retest the bottom before = moving up. It looks like it tried that on Oct 18. Either way, it seems = to now be making higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its = way back up to the old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower = volume. Again, we'll see. =20 I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's = how I see these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything. And = being indecisive makes investing difficult. Usually, when I am sure = about something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I expect! = But, I thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different = perspective. =20 BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey = bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off. But, I also agree with Katherine (?) = who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's = peers. =20 Oops, there's that indecisiveness again... =20 Cheers, John C. -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:13 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Peter, =20 Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. = Thanks for the confirming thoughts. =20 Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Christiansen=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Excellent point Katherine. The industry group weakness is the = one black mark I give TARO. In the present environment, and it is a = very big black mark. Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. = Suspect we are in another bear market rally. On the other hand, if it = breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it. Peter At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in = the same group. With TARO, here's its cohorts: BRL: KO'd (knocked-out) ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS WPI: KO'd MYL: suspect, with gaps down PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS IVX: KO'd I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than = working through that handle and breaking out. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Williams, Bob" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before = I've "felt out" > the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the = handle? It doesn't > look like volume is "drying up." > > Bob Williams > EDS Systems > California Medi-Cal > phone: (916) 861-1861 > fax: (916) 636-1002 > cell: (916) 804-6803 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern = Standard Time, > > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: > > > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally > > slightly undercut > > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits = that > > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles = too.<< > > > > Peter: > > > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO = formed > > a very nice > > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the = 2nd > > bottom was in late > > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in = late > > September, and > > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. > > Presently, TARO seems to > > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when > > meeting the same level > > as the W formation's apex. > > > > jans > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" = -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". = Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C16201.363DE580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all:
 
I was wondering if anyone has any CANSLIM stock = ideas (either=20 in bases or breakouts) that would stand to benefit from an 'unexpected'=20 surge/boom in Thanksgiving/Christmas retail sales.
 
I believe that we have all of the fuel in place for = a massive=20 spending boom:
 
Mortgage costs dropping through the = floor
Fuel/gas prices dropping substantially
Car/debt financing costs dropping
Loads of $$$ in money-market funds earning almost=20 nothing
A live-for-today change in attitude trigggered by = recent=20 events
 
(IMHO, this adds up to a MUCH higher level of = disposable=20 income for the average person than 1 year ago)
 
I am looking for quality companies that would = benefit in an=20 unexpected way if such a spending surge were to happen over the next 2 = months?=20 Does anyone see any pent-up demand in any areas out there?
 
I would like to have a watch list of these to keep a = keen eye=20 on for any early indicators of a strong unexpected uptick in=20 business.
 
Thanks for any ideas,
 
Ian
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 7:35=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom = ..

Tom:
 
Nice results for AFAM yesterday. What is your = opinion of a=20 purchase here around $12.40?
 
What kind of earnings/growth can be expected boing = forward?
 
Thanks for any insights,
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 5:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech = Analysis=20 notes on TARO

Thanks, John, appreciate the different view. I = had not=20 seen the head & shoulders, and its inverse, until you pointed it = out.=20 That's what I love about the stock market, the "indecisiveness", you = are=20 really on your own unless you cop out and buy mutual funds, and = leave the=20 worry factor up to the fund manager.
 
Either way, it seems we all appear to see the = formation as=20 incomplete at this time, but maybe worth watching. That right = shoulder off=20 the inverse h&s, or handle of the cup, needs to decide what it's = going=20 to do.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Cefaloni, John L Jr. = [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Wednesday, October = 31, 2001=20 7:45 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tech = Analysis=20 notes on TARO

Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical = illusions=20 that look different depending on which eye you = use!
 
TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders = top from=20 late June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to = late August=20 (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping = neckline.  The=20 neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off = that=20 followed Sep 11.  But, at the end of September, it reversed = and=20 returned to the right neckline at $35 and paused.  One would = expect=20 the stock to really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has = recovered=20 nicely.  I've read that when a stock traces through a certain = bearish=20 formation then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it = is=20 extremely bullish.  So, we'll have to = see.
 
Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head = and=20 shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in = August (same as=20 the above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the = trading days=20 following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well=20 formed.
 
In either case, it is definitely trying to build some = type of base=20 off of it's incredible run this year.  It appears to be = forming the=20 right side of a cup.  From what I understand, the first step = of a=20 healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward channel of=20 successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July = peak to=20 its September low. It=20 looks like it did that on Oct 10.  It then needs to return to = that=20 downtrend line or retest the bottom before moving up.  It = looks like=20 it tried that on Oct 18.  Either way, it seems to now be = making=20 higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its way back up = to the=20 old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower volume.  = Again,=20 we'll see.
 
I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but = that's how=20 I see these charts - it's hard to be definite about = anything.  And=20 being indecisive makes investing difficult.  Usually, when I = am sure=20 about something, the stock will perform the opposite of = what I=20 expect!  But, I thought I'd throw it out there to give some = of you a=20 different perspective.
 
BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for = it's spikey=20 bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off.  But, I also agree with = Katherine=20 (?) who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of = it's=20 peers.
 
Oops, there's that indecisiveness = again...
 
Cheers,
John C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine = Malm=20 [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October = 30, 2001=20 9:13 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] TARO

Peter,
 
Agreed 100%. I recently moved = TARO to my=20 "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks for the=20 confirming thoughts.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Christiansen
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Tuesday, October = 30, 2001=20 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

Excellent point Katherine.  The industry = group=20 weakness is the one black mark I give TARO.  In the = present=20 environment, and it is a very big black mark.  = Even if=20 TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. Suspect we are in = another=20 bear market rally.  On the other hand, if it breaks down, = I would=20 seriously consider shorting it.

Peter

At 07:36 = PM=20 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:
If I'm ever in = doubt about a=20 chart, I'll look at others in the same group.
With TARO, = here's=20 its cohorts:
BRL: KO'd (knocked-out)
ADRX: lousy, wide = and=20 loose, low RS
WPI: KO'd
MYL: suspect, with gaps = down
PRX:=20 suspect, sure looks triple toppy
ALO: lousy, gap down, = low=20 RS
IVX: KO'd

I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip = lower=20 rather than working through that
handle and breaking=20 out.

Katherine
----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 "Williams, Bob" <robert.c.williams@eds.com>
To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October = 30,=20 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO


> = I'm=20 brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've = "felt=20 out"
> the group, but isn't the volume a little high = on the=20 handle?  It doesn't
> look like volume is "drying = up."
>
> Bob Williams
> EDS = Systems
>=20 California Medi-Cal
> phone: (916) 861-1861
> = fax: (916)=20 636-1002
> cell: (916) = 804-6803
>
>
> >=20 -----Original Message-----
> > From: = Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
> = > Sent:=20 Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM
> > To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 TARO
> >
> >
> > In a message = dated=20 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> >=20 peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes:
> >
> > = << In a=20 double bottom, the second bottom should ideally
> > = slightly undercut
> >  the first.  In = this=20 instance, I don't think it fits that
> > =20 description.  Anyway, double bottoms form handles=20 too.<<
> >
> > Peter:
> = >
>=20 >      I'm not sure where you're = looking, but to me TARO formed
> > a very = nice
> >=20 double bottom:  The first bottom was in August and the=20 2nd
> > bottom was in late
> > = September. =20 Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late
> = >=20 September, and
> > also that the 2nd bottom IS = below the=20 first bottom.
> > Presently, TARO seems to
> = > be=20 making a handle on light volume-after stalling when
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C16201.363DE580-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Gammon" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Help with stock ideas please ... Date: 31 Oct 2001 14:02:17 -0600 (CST) One the mortgage rate front, with the Treasury announcement of a suspension of sales of 30 Yr paper, some are now calling for the 30yr bond to jump to about 4.5% very soon, and the 10yr to jump to near 4%. Yesterday, the 30yr closed at 5.22% and the 10yr closed at 4.42%. The corresponding 30yr Mortgage Index stood at 6.16%. If this forecast turns out to be true, then we'll see 30yr mortgages near 5% and the refinacing surge will become a frenzy. I was speaking to my broker at Merrill Lynch today. He reported that their mortgage desk has been overwhelmed recently. They were equipped and staffed to handle about 2,000 inquiries a day. Some days in the recent past, they got nearly 15,000 calls. Who benefits from all this activity? Mortgage originators, title firms, and mortgage bankers seem to come first to mind. Indirectly, there are lots more that will gather in some of the added free cash flow in household budgets as the monthly payment drops. The socio-political climate has changed, so it may be more difficult to predict where this 'extra' cash will go. Robert On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:43:08 -0800, Ian wrote: >Hi all: > >I was wondering if anyone has any CANSLIM stock ideas (either in bases or breakouts) that would stand to benefit from an 'unexpected' surge/boom in Thanksgiving/Christmas retail sales. > >I believe that we have all of the fuel in place for a massive spending boom: > >Mortgage costs dropping through the floor >Fuel/gas prices dropping substantially >Car/debt financing costs dropping >Loads of $$$ in money-market funds earning almost nothing >A live-for-today change in attitude trigggered by recent events > >(IMHO, this adds up to a MUCH higher level of disposable income for the average person than 1 year ago) > >I am looking for quality companies that would benefit in an unexpected way if such a spending surge were to happen over the next 2 months? Does anyone see any pent-up demand in any areas out there? > >I would like to have a watch list of these to keep a keen eye on for any early indicators of a strong unexpected uptick in business. > >Thanks for any ideas, > >Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:35 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom ... > > Tom: > > Nice results for AFAM yesterday. What is your opinion of a purchase here around $12.40? > > What kind of earnings/growth can be expected boing forward? > > Thanks for any insights, > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Worley > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 5:10 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO > > Thanks, John, appreciate the different view. I had not seen the head & shoulders, and its inverse, until you pointed it out. That's what I love about the stock market, the "indecisiveness", you are really on your own unless you cop out and buy mutual funds, and leave the worry factor up to the fund manager. > > Either way, it seems we all appear to see the formation as incomplete at this time, but maybe worth watching. That right shoulder off the inverse h&s, or handle of the cup, needs to decide what it's going to do. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > AIM: TexWorley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA] > To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:45 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO > > Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical illusions that look different depending on which eye you use! > > TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from late June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late August (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline. The neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that followed Sep 11. But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned to the right neckline at $35 and paused. One would expect the stock to really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely. I've read that when a stock traces through a certain bearish formation then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it is extremely bullish. So, we'll have to see. > > Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well formed. > > In either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base off of it's incredible run this year. It appears to be forming the right side of a cup. From what I understand, the first step of a healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward channel of successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July peak to its September low. It looks like it did that on Oct 10. It then needs to return to that downtrend line or retest the bottom before moving up. It looks like it tried that on Oct 18. Either way, it seems to now be making higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its way back up to the old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower volume. Again, we'll see. > > I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's how I see these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything. And being indecisive makes investing difficult. Usually, when I am sure about something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I expect! But, I thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different perspective. > > BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off. But, I also agree with Katherine (?) who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's peers. > > Oops, there's that indecisiveness again... > > Cheers, > John C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:13 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > Peter, > > Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks for the confirming thoughts. > > Katherine > kmalm@earthlink.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Christiansen > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > Excellent point Katherine. The industry group weakness is the one black mark I give TARO. In the present environment, and it is a very big black mark. Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. Suspect we are in another bear market rally. On the other hand, if it breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it. > > Peter > > At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in the same group. > With TARO, here's its cohorts: > BRL: KO'd (knocked-out) > ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS > WPI: KO'd > MYL: suspect, with gaps down > PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy > ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS > IVX: KO'd > > I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than working through that > handle and breaking out. > > Katherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Williams, Bob" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt out" > > the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? It doesn't > > look like volume is "drying up." > > > > Bob Williams > > EDS Systems > > California Medi-Cal > > phone: (916) 861-1861 > > fax: (916) 636-1002 > > cell: (916) 804-6803 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: > > > > > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally > > > slightly undercut > > > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits that > > > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles too.<< > > > > > > Peter: > > > > > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO formed > > > a very nice > > > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the 2nd > > > bottom was in late > > > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late > > > September, and > > > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. > > > Presently, TARO seems to > > > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when > > > meeting the same level > > > as the W formation's apex. > > > > > > jans > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Date: 31 Oct 2001 14:27:16 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_022E_01C16218.24079B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh my, I think you're getting to the heart of this issue with that last = question! Ernie,=20 If you don't mind, I'd like to answer first with an example. Take the = gaming industry. The industry itself had this big run from 9/00 to about = 7/01. Darn good run for a bear market at that! It's full of players: = ALLY, SLOT, IGT, PENN, AGY, GTK, MGAM, SHFL, etc. When it started that = run, the industry was #136 (slightly different numbers from IBD, but = close enough to make the point). At the peak in 7/01, the industry was = #8. That says strength, right? Similar to your point about TARO's = group's current RS. In retrospect, we know that the group topped out, so = we can look at what was going on. Despite the high RS of the industry, = slowly but surely the stocks started breaking down. Their charts started = looking "lousy" and honestly, you couldn't tell at the time whether that = was it, the run was over forever, or whether it was a corrective phase. = About 9/01, the industry bottomed and fell all the way to #153. Long way = down from #8 in 2 months! Recent action in players like MGAM, GTK, ALLY = might suggest it was a corrective phase, but at the time, given the = bear market, I'd be more likely to say thanks for the profits and stand = aside until it was clear what was going to happen. So that brings us back to TARO and it's group. Yes, the industry is = currently ranked up there. I have it at #37, but that's down from its = peak at #1 at the end of July. My reference to the "lousy" group was a = reflection of the technical action of the other stocks in the group (per = my original list). So we're left with a big question. This group is part = defensive/cyclical, part growth. I think the camps are duking it out = right now. If the growth crowd makes its case, the group continues on = and this phase will be a baby corrective dip in a massive upswing. If = the defensive/cyclical crowd wins, the group could fall by the wayside. = In all, I think TARO's the "tell" for the group. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Katherine, I agree that some of the stocks in this group are breaking down or = have broken down, but HGS has this group with a RS of 95. How can you = say that this is a lousy group when it has such a high RS. E -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:23 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Darn, you guys are *good*! Agreed, TARO was a much easier short back = in July when it made that mini-blowoff top and the market was in a clear = downtrend. Pretty clear TARO is the leader in a lousy group so will go = down less and will recover sooner. As Tom also noted, great thing about = CANSLIM is we don't have to guess, we can wait and let it tell us what = it wants to do.=20 Also agree with you, Doug, that the *easiest* shorts right now are = the weakest players already in confirmed downtrends. Especially like the = ones that wedged up during this latest rally. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso=20 Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the=20 use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20 If you have received this email in error please notify the=20 sender. ****************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_022E_01C16218.24079B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oh my, I think you're getting to the = heart of this=20 issue with that last question!
 
Ernie,
 
If you don't mind, I'd like to answer = first with an=20 example. Take the gaming industry. The industry itself had this big run = from=20 9/00 to about 7/01. Darn good run for a bear market at that! It's full = of=20 players: ALLY, SLOT, IGT, PENN, AGY, GTK, MGAM, SHFL, etc. When it = started that=20 run, the industry was #136 (slightly different numbers from IBD, but = close=20 enough to make the point). At the peak in 7/01, the industry was #8. = That says=20 strength, right? Similar to your point about TARO's group's current RS. = In=20 retrospect, we know that the group topped out, so we can look at what = was going=20 on. Despite the high RS of the industry, slowly but surely the stocks = started=20 breaking down. Their charts started looking "lousy" and honestly, you = couldn't=20 tell at the time whether that was it, the run was over forever, or = whether it=20 was a corrective phase. About 9/01, the industry bottomed and fell all = the way=20 to #153. Long way down from #8 in 2 months! Recent action in players = like MGAM,=20 GTK, ALLY might suggest it was a corrective phase, but at the time, = given the=20  bear market, I'd be more likely to say thanks for the profits and = stand=20 aside until it was clear what was going to happen.
 
So that brings us back to TARO and it's = group. Yes,=20 the industry is currently ranked up there. I have it at #37, but that's = down=20 from its peak at #1 at the end of July. My reference to the "lousy" = group was a=20 reflection of the technical action of the other stocks in the group (per = my=20 original list). So we're left with a big question. This group is part=20 defensive/cyclical, part growth. I think the camps are duking it = out right=20 now. If the growth crowd makes its case,  the group continues on = and this=20 phase will be a baby corrective dip in a massive upswing. If the=20 defensive/cyclical crowd wins, the group could fall by the wayside. In = all, I=20 think TARO's the "tell" for the group.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net =
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Katherine,
 
I=20 agree that some of the stocks in this group are breaking down or have = broken=20 down, but HGS has this group with a RS of 95. How can you say that = this is a=20 lousy group when it has such a high RS.
 
E
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Darn, you guys are *good*! Agreed, = TARO was a=20 much easier short back in July when it made that mini-blowoff top = and the=20 market was in a clear downtrend. Pretty = clear TARO is=20 the leader in a lousy group so will go down less and will = recover=20 sooner. As Tom also noted, great thing about CANSLIM is we don't = have to=20 guess, we can wait and let it tell us what it wants to do. =
 
Also agree with you, Doug, that the = *easiest*=20 shorts right now are the weakest players already in confirmed = downtrends.=20 Especially like the ones that wedged up during this latest=20 rally.
 
Katherine
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 ------=_NextPart_000_022E_01C16218.24079B60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 31 Oct 2001 20:09:58 EST Bob: Last Friday's volume was indeed high, so Friday didn't have the characteristic of a handle. However, Mon-Wed's volume for each day was less than 50% ADV. This looks to me like a nice stock to keep an eye on. I wouldn't buy it yet because the market is so volatile. I would analyze Friday's high-volume while the stock declined as profit-taking, and the last few days show there is still profit taking, but not too many of the big boys want to sell TARO. jans (PS-By the way "newbies" help give us perspective, and help us analyze by asking questions. Because we were all newbies once, If it weren't for newbies [and Jeff's dedication] there wouldn't be this Canslim Forum) In a message dated 10/30/2001 8:22:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, robert.c.williams@eds.com writes: << I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've "felt out" the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the handle? It doesn't look like volume is "drying up." >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: AFAM (was Re: [CANSLIM] Tom ...) Date: 31 Oct 2001 20:40:16 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1624C.3FBD6D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think I would be a buyer here, way too extended unless it proves = that it can sustain the gap up. Their sales / earnings # also now confuse me. Both the Jun and Sep = quarters this year and last have much greater sales than the other 2 = qtrs, but I don't see why they should act cyclically. Unlike last year, = this year these two quarters also had far better earnings / efficiency, = and I would want to know what is different.=20 Note also that funds already own 24%, so you want them to stay happy = with it.=20 DGO does not show a consensus of forecasts, so you would have to do your = own research, or search out other sources. I have not done any analysis. = I liked it because I see day care centers for adults as a strong growth = area for the next several decades as our population ages, diseases like = Alzheimer's make home care more difficult, and young families have both = young adults working full time and unable to stay at home and care for = an aging parent. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:35 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom ... Tom: Nice results for AFAM yesterday. What is your opinion of a purchase = here around $12.40? What kind of earnings/growth can be expected boing forward? Thanks for any insights, Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 5:10 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Thanks, John, appreciate the different view. I had not seen the head = & shoulders, and its inverse, until you pointed it out. That's what I = love about the stock market, the "indecisiveness", you are really on = your own unless you cop out and buy mutual funds, and leave the worry = factor up to the fund manager. Either way, it seems we all appear to see the formation as = incomplete at this time, but maybe worth watching. That right shoulder = off the inverse h&s, or handle of the cup, needs to decide what it's = going to do. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cefaloni, John L Jr. [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:45 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Tech Analysis notes on TARO Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical illusions that = look different depending on which eye you use! =20 TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders top from = late June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to late = August (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping neckline. = The neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off that = followed Sep 11. But, at the end of September, it reversed and returned = to the right neckline at $35 and paused. One would expect the stock to = really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has recovered nicely. = I've read that when a stock traces through a certain bearish formation = then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it is extremely = bullish. So, we'll have to see. =20 Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head and = shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in August (same as the = above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the trading days = following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well formed. =20 In either case, it is definitely trying to build some type of base = off of it's incredible run this year. It appears to be forming the = right side of a cup. From what I understand, the first step of a = healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward channel of = successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July peak = to its September low. It looks like it did that on Oct 10. It then = needs to return to that downtrend line or retest the bottom before = moving up. It looks like it tried that on Oct 18. Either way, it seems = to now be making higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its = way back up to the old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower = volume. Again, we'll see. =20 I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but that's = how I see these charts - it's hard to be definite about anything. And = being indecisive makes investing difficult. Usually, when I am sure = about something, the stock will perform the opposite of what I expect! = But, I thought I'd throw it out there to give some of you a different = perspective. =20 BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for it's spikey = bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off. But, I also agree with Katherine (?) = who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of it's = peers. =20 Oops, there's that indecisiveness again... =20 Cheers, John C. -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:13 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Peter, =20 Agreed 100%. I recently moved TARO to my "Possible Shorts" list. = Thanks for the confirming thoughts. =20 Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Christiansen=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Excellent point Katherine. The industry group weakness is the = one black mark I give TARO. In the present environment, and it is a = very big black mark. Even if TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. = Suspect we are in another bear market rally. On the other hand, if it = breaks down, I would seriously consider shorting it. Peter At 07:36 PM 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote: If I'm ever in doubt about a chart, I'll look at others in = the same group. With TARO, here's its cohorts: BRL: KO'd (knocked-out) ADRX: lousy, wide and loose, low RS WPI: KO'd MYL: suspect, with gaps down PRX: suspect, sure looks triple toppy ALO: lousy, gap down, low RS IVX: KO'd I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip lower rather than = working through that handle and breaking out. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Williams, Bob" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO > I'm brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before = I've "felt out" > the group, but isn't the volume a little high on the = handle? It doesn't > look like volume is "drying up." > > Bob Williams > EDS Systems > California Medi-Cal > phone: (916) 861-1861 > fax: (916) 636-1002 > cell: (916) 804-6803 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO > > > > > > In a message dated 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern = Standard Time, > > peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes: > > > > << In a double bottom, the second bottom should ideally > > slightly undercut > > the first. In this instance, I don't think it fits = that > > description. Anyway, double bottoms form handles = too.<< > > > > Peter: > > > > I'm not sure where you're looking, but to me TARO = formed > > a very nice > > double bottom: The first bottom was in August and the = 2nd > > bottom was in late > > September. Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in = late > > September, and > > also that the 2nd bottom IS below the first bottom. > > Presently, TARO seems to > > be making a handle on light volume-after stalling when > > meeting the same level > > as the W formation's apex. > > > > jans > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. "The crowd has never thirsted for the truth" - Gustave LeBon - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" = -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". = Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1624C.3FBD6D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't think I would be a buyer here, way too = extended unless=20 it proves that it can sustain the gap up.
 
Their sales / earnings # also now confuse me. Both = the Jun and=20 Sep quarters this year and last have much greater sales than the other 2 = qtrs,=20 but I don't see why they should act cyclically. Unlike last year, this = year=20 these two quarters also had far better earnings / efficiency, and I = would want=20 to know what is different.
 
Note also that funds already own 24%, so you want = them to stay=20 happy with it.
 
DGO does not show a consensus of forecasts, so you = would have=20 to do your own research, or search out other sources. I have not done = any=20 analysis. I liked it because I see day care centers for adults as a = strong=20 growth area for the next several decades as our population ages, = diseases like=20 Alzheimer's make home care more difficult, and young families have both = young=20 adults working full time and unable to stay at home and care for an = aging=20 parent.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ian =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 10:35=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tom = ...

Tom:
 
Nice results for AFAM yesterday. What is your = opinion of a=20 purchase here around $12.40?
 
What kind of earnings/growth can be expected boing = forward?
 
Thanks for any insights,
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 5:10=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Tech = Analysis=20 notes on TARO

Thanks, John, appreciate the different view. I = had not=20 seen the head & shoulders, and its inverse, until you pointed it = out.=20 That's what I love about the stock market, the "indecisiveness", you = are=20 really on your own unless you cop out and buy mutual funds, and = leave the=20 worry factor up to the fund manager.
 
Either way, it seems we all appear to see the = formation as=20 incomplete at this time, but maybe worth watching. That right = shoulder off=20 the inverse h&s, or handle of the cup, needs to decide what it's = going=20 to do.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Cefaloni, John L Jr. = [AMSTA-AR-WEA]=20
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Wednesday, October = 31, 2001=20 7:45 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Tech = Analysis=20 notes on TARO

Funny how sometimes these charts looks like optical = illusions=20 that look different depending on which eye you = use!
 
TARO's chart looks like it formed a head and shoulders = top from=20 late June (left shoulder at $45) to late July (head at $49) to = late August=20 (right shoulder at around $44) with a downward sloping = neckline.  The=20 neckline appears to have been broken with the gap down sell off = that=20 followed Sep 11.  But, at the end of September, it reversed = and=20 returned to the right neckline at $35 and paused.  One would = expect=20 the stock to really fall at that point, but it didn't - it has = recovered=20 nicely.  I've read that when a stock traces through a certain = bearish=20 formation then suddenly turns around instead of falling, that it = is=20 extremely bullish.  So, we'll have to = see.
 
Looking with my other eye, I see a possible inverse head = and=20 shoulders forming with the left shoulder at $35 in = August (same as=20 the above right neckline), the head at $27 or so in the = trading days=20 following Sep 11, and the right shoulder ...well, it is not well=20 formed.
 
In either case, it is definitely trying to build some = type of base=20 off of it's incredible run this year.  It appears to be = forming the=20 right side of a cup.  From what I understand, the first step = of a=20 healthy cup formation was breaking out of the downward channel of=20 successive lower lows and lower highs that it formed from its July = peak to=20 its September low. It=20 looks like it did that on Oct 10.  It then needs to return to = that=20 downtrend line or retest the bottom before moving up.  It = looks like=20 it tried that on Oct 18.  Either way, it seems to now be = making=20 higher lows and higher highs, where it should work its way back up = to the=20 old high of 49, then pause to form a handle on lower volume.  = Again,=20 we'll see.
 
I know that my "analysis" is inconclusive and vague, but = that's how=20 I see these charts - it's hard to be definite about = anything.  And=20 being indecisive makes investing difficult.  Usually, when I = am sure=20 about something, the stock will perform the opposite of = what I=20 expect!  But, I thought I'd throw it out there to give some = of you a=20 different perspective.
 
BTW, I agree with Tom (?) who cuts the stock slack for = it's spikey=20 bottom due to the Sep 11 sell off.  But, I also agree with = Katherine=20 (?) who has the stock on her short list due to poor performance of = it's=20 peers.
 
Oops, there's that indecisiveness = again...
 
Cheers,
John C.
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine = Malm=20 [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October = 30, 2001=20 9:13 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] TARO

Peter,
 
Agreed 100%. I recently moved = TARO to my=20 "Possible Shorts" list. Thanks for the=20 confirming thoughts.
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter=20 Christiansen
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Tuesday, October = 30, 2001=20 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

Excellent point Katherine.  The industry = group=20 weakness is the one black mark I give TARO.  In the = present=20 environment, and it is a very big black mark.  = Even if=20 TARO breaks out, I probably won't buy it. Suspect we are in = another=20 bear market rally.  On the other hand, if it breaks down, = I would=20 seriously consider shorting it.

Peter

At 07:36 = PM=20 10/30/2001 -0600, you wrote:
If I'm ever in = doubt about a=20 chart, I'll look at others in the same group.
With TARO, = here's=20 its cohorts:
BRL: KO'd (knocked-out)
ADRX: lousy, wide = and=20 loose, low RS
WPI: KO'd
MYL: suspect, with gaps = down
PRX:=20 suspect, sure looks triple toppy
ALO: lousy, gap down, = low=20 RS
IVX: KO'd

I'd say odds favor TARO taking a trip = lower=20 rather than working through that
handle and breaking=20 out.

Katherine
----- Original Message = -----
From:=20 "Williams, Bob" <robert.c.williams@eds.com>
To:=20 <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October = 30,=20 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO


> = I'm=20 brand new here, and forgive me for blurting out before I've = "felt=20 out"
> the group, but isn't the volume a little high = on the=20 handle?  It doesn't
> look like volume is "drying = up."
>
> Bob Williams
> EDS = Systems
>=20 California Medi-Cal
> phone: (916) 861-1861
> = fax: (916)=20 636-1002
> cell: (916) = 804-6803
>
>
> >=20 -----Original Message-----
> > From: = Spencer48@aol.com [mailto:Spencer48@aol.com]
> = > Sent:=20 Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:54 PM
> > To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 TARO
> >
> >
> > In a message = dated=20 10/30/2001 7:08:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> >=20 peterc@loxinfo.co.th writes:
> >
> > = << In a=20 double bottom, the second bottom should ideally
> > = slightly undercut
> >  the first.  In = this=20 instance, I don't think it fits that
> > =20 description.  Anyway, double bottoms form handles=20 too.<<
> >
> > Peter:
> = >
>=20 >      I'm not sure where you're = looking, but to me TARO formed
> > a very = nice
> >=20 double bottom:  The first bottom was in August and the=20 2nd
> > bottom was in late
> > = September. =20 Notice that the 200 stopped the 2nd fall in late
> = >=20 September, and
> > also that the 2nd bottom IS = below the=20 first bottom.
> > Presently, TARO seems to
> = > be=20 making a handle on light volume-after stalling when
> = >=20 meeting the same level
> > as the W formation's=20 apex.
> >
> > jans
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C1624C.3FBD6D60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 31 Oct 2001 20:42:49 EST Ernie: If you'll notice TARO is in a LLUR on the weekly chart-and now it appears to be in an A correction of a 3-3-5. Katherine makes a good point as far as the weakness of the group is concerned-as a matter of fact, her observation is what made me look at the weekly chart of TARO. To me it looks like a strong stock (strong fundamentals and a strong uptrend; however, it could very well be on its way to 49 in a B correction (the resistance zone). Its final C (5-wave) should take it to about $28 or a little bit lower. At least that's how it looks to me. And to you? jans In a message dated 10/30/2001 9:31:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com writes: << I brought TARO up last week and went long. However, my analysis projects strong resistance at 49 which is also very near the old high. My analysis also predicts a high probability that the price will move to this resistance level or very near it. If and when it does I will sell. I agree that the whole picture does not look good, and I don't want to be in this one very long. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day Date: 31 Oct 2001 20:53:22 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1624E.145B8D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Katherine, Neal, The combination of volume and breaking the pivot are already a = "confirmation" of a buy signal, assuming the necessary other elements of = CANSLIM are in place, such as RS, EPS, accelerating earnings, chart = formation, etc. By waiting another hour, you are seeking a double = confirmation, and I am not sure that would add anything to your ultimate = success ratio. If the first confirmation proves to be valid, then you = may only end up having to pay a higher price, or see it beyond 5% of the = pivot, and miss it entirely. If the first confirmation turns out to be a head fake, there is no = guarantee that you still won't get the continued volume for another = hour, pay a higher price, and still have it end up retreating. If you want to be more sure of the validity of the first confirmation = (pivot passed on volume), then I would consider just buying a half = position, and put in a tight stop loss for the day. If it remains = strong, and doesn't run too far, you can always buy the other half = position at a higher price, or wait for a second entry point. I have always recommended to investors not to place orders (buy or sell) = in the first half hour of the trading day. Far too often, market = direction for the day can reverse in that time frame, and take a lot of = stocks with it. The same is true, to a lesser degree, in the last half = hour of the trading day. An alternative if you cannot watch the markets = due to the interference of your day job is to use limit orders. There = is also a noticeable slow down in trading around the lunch hour. = Sometimes bargains can be had there as a stock takes a breather. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day You bring up a good point, Neal. I've been puzzled over this one = myself recently. Here's my (still under construction) conclusions so far: We're looking for "the perfect breakout" of a particular pivot point = with at least 150% volume. So, if you're trading intraday, that means you can = watch for the trades to hit the pivot point. Sometimes that means it's early = in the morning, sometimes later in the day, so easy enough to extrapolate = the volume to end of day. So far so good. But I've been whipsawed a couple = of times recently and it makes me wonder. Maybe buying at the pivot is = not as critical as buying in "the zone" with clear confirmation the zone is = going to hold. So, let's say 1 hour into the day the pivot is hit. = Extrapolate volume, it's ok. Now *wait* for at least an hour to see if the volume = of activity around the pivot continues. I'm guessing that would keep me = from entering the trade and seeing sellers quickly run in and move the = price back into the base or handle. My conclusion is that when the market is = still trying to find its legs, it's better to be buying a little late (as = much as pivot +5%) than to be exactly on pivot and being cast into whipsaw = h***. Time of day seems less critical than confirmation of the move. A great example of this is BVF. Know there's been some discussion = threads on this recently. This one's "tried" to break out several times and = frankly, sucked me in. If I'd been following the entry guidelines I just = mentioned, I would have waited. I've finally figured out that this one's a classic "ascending base" and that means it will have several breakout = failures. Now, just need to see if it can manage to break out of the upper trend line = on volume. Maybe, one day, it will. And maybe this time I'll be better prepared. Now I know that doesn't really address the issue of "best time of day" exactly, but am hoping this is still on point. Would love to hear some additional input on this issue. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Frankle" To: "Jeff Salisbury" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] time of the day I have found lately that if I buy something breaking out in the = morning - by afternoon, the breakout often fails and I am stuck! If I restrict my = buys to the last 30 minutes....the trade could get away from me. I would welcome any comments on your thoughts about if the time of the = day is relevant using this system. 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Hi Katherine, Neal,
 
The combination of volume and breaking the pivot are = already a=20 "confirmation" of a buy signal, assuming the necessary other elements of = CANSLIM=20 are in place, such as RS, EPS, accelerating earnings, chart formation,=20 etc.  By waiting another hour, you are seeking a double = confirmation, and I=20 am not sure that would add anything to your ultimate success ratio. If = the first=20 confirmation proves to be valid, then you may only end up having to pay = a higher=20 price, or see it beyond 5% of the pivot, and miss it = entirely.
 
If the first confirmation turns out to be a head = fake, there=20 is no guarantee that you still won't get the continued volume for = another hour,=20 pay a higher price, and still have it end up retreating.
 
If you want to be more sure of the validity of the = first=20 confirmation (pivot passed on volume), then I would consider just buying = a half=20 position, and put in a tight stop loss for the day. If it remains = strong, and=20 doesn't run too far, you can always buy the other half position at a = higher=20 price, or wait for a second entry point.
 
I have always recommended to investors not to place = orders=20 (buy or sell) in the first half hour of the trading day. Far too often, = market=20 direction for the day can reverse in that time frame, and take a lot of = stocks=20 with it. The same is true, to a lesser degree, in the last half hour of = the=20 trading day. An alternative if you cannot watch the markets due to the=20 interference of your day job is to use limit orders.  There is also = a=20 noticeable slow down in trading around the lunch hour. Sometimes = bargains can be=20 had there as a stock takes a breather.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 10:02=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of = the=20 day

You bring up a good point, Neal. I've been puzzled over = this=20 one myself
recently. Here's my (still under construction) = conclusions so=20 far:

We're looking for "the perfect breakout" of a particular = pivot=20 point with at
least 150% volume. So, if you're trading intraday, = that means=20 you can watch
for the trades to hit the pivot point. Sometimes that = means=20 it's early in
the morning, sometimes later in the day, so easy = enough to=20 extrapolate the
volume to end of day. So far so good. But I've been = whipsawed a couple of
times recently and it makes me wonder. Maybe = buying=20 at the pivot is not as
critical as buying in "the zone" with clear=20 confirmation the zone is going
to hold. So, let's say 1 hour into = the day=20 the pivot is hit. Extrapolate
volume, it's ok. Now *wait* for at = least an=20 hour to see if the volume of
activity around the pivot continues. = I'm=20 guessing that would keep me from
entering the trade and seeing = sellers=20 quickly run in and move the price back
into the base or handle. My=20 conclusion is that when the market is still
trying to find its = legs, it's=20 better to be buying a little late (as much as
pivot +5%) than to be = exactly=20 on pivot and being cast into whipsaw h***.
Time of day seems less = critical=20 than confirmation of the move.

A great example of this is BVF. = Know=20 there's been some discussion threads on
this recently. This one's = "tried"=20 to break out several times and frankly,
sucked me in. If I'd been = following=20 the entry guidelines I just mentioned, I
would have waited. I've = finally=20 figured out that this one's a classic
"ascending base" and that = means it=20 will have several breakout failures. Now,
just need to see if it = can manage=20 to break out of the upper trend line on
volume. Maybe, one day, it = will.=20 And maybe this time I'll be better
prepared.

Now I know that = doesn't=20 really address the issue of "best time of day"
exactly, but am = hoping this=20 is still on point. Would love to hear some
additional input on this = issue.

Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net


-----=20 Original Message -----
From: "Neal Frankle" <nfrankle@pacbell.net>
To: = "Jeff=20 Salisbury" <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] time of the=20 day


I have found lately that if I buy something breaking = out in the=20 morning - by
afternoon, the breakout often fails and I am = stuck!  If I=20 restrict my buys
to the last 30 minutes....the trade could get away = from=20 me.

I would welcome any comments on your thoughts about if the = time of=20 the day
is relevant using this=20 system.

Thanks,

Neal
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C1624E.145B8D80-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 31 Oct 2001 20:20:44 -0600 jans, Sorry, still learning the group's abbreviations, but "LLUR" stumped me! Katherine ----- Original Message ----- > Ernie: > > If you'll notice TARO is in a LLUR on the weekly chart - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc Deiter Subject: [CANSLIM] Use of Best Ups table Date: 31 Oct 2001 18:59:50 -0800 (PST) For those of you who read IBD, how do you use the Best Ups table? I'm looking for an efficient method or techniques to evaluate the stocks listed there. Currently I look for company names mentioned elsewhere (in this forum or in the paper) and for those that have three up arrows in each of the columns. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day Date: 31 Oct 2001 20:38:22 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_028C_01C1624B.FB6A4700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, Hmmm. I agree with you on the notion of hitting the pivot as = confirmation in and of itself, but lately I've seen a lot of stocks hit = that pivot point for 20 minutes and then turn tail. I have a theory that = would only hold right now in this environment, but wouldn't necessarily = hold once the Bull gets legs. Let me try this on for size. If you look = through the universe of CANSLIM stocks right now, frankly, there's just = not that many set up. So here you have a lot of people dutifully = calculating the pivot/buy point at .10 above the last correction high on = a small universe of stocks. If they don't trade intraday, they may very = well place buy stops the night before. So here you have all these people = placing orders at the same price. OK, it's just a theory, and in the = grand scheme of things the small retail guys are nothing compared to the = institutions, but couldn't it be possible that the MM's are somehow = clearing the decks? If that's so, I just don't want to be swept = overboard. I'm willing to wait a bit to make sure it doesn't happen. All said, I like your idea of a partial entry and tight stop. But I = *really* hate getting whipsawed! Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day Hi Katherine, Neal, The combination of volume and breaking the pivot are already a = "confirmation" of a buy signal, assuming the necessary other elements of = CANSLIM are in place, such as RS, EPS, accelerating earnings, chart = formation, etc. By waiting another hour, you are seeking a double = confirmation, and I am not sure that would add anything to your ultimate = success ratio. If the first confirmation proves to be valid, then you = may only end up having to pay a higher price, or see it beyond 5% of the = pivot, and miss it entirely. If the first confirmation turns out to be a head fake, there is no = guarantee that you still won't get the continued volume for another = hour, pay a higher price, and still have it end up retreating. If you want to be more sure of the validity of the first confirmation = (pivot passed on volume), then I would consider just buying a half = position, and put in a tight stop loss for the day. If it remains = strong, and doesn't run too far, you can always buy the other half = position at a higher price, or wait for a second entry point. I have always recommended to investors not to place orders (buy or = sell) in the first half hour of the trading day. Far too often, market = direction for the day can reverse in that time frame, and take a lot of = stocks with it. The same is true, to a lesser degree, in the last half = hour of the trading day. An alternative if you cannot watch the markets = due to the interference of your day job is to use limit orders. There = is also a noticeable slow down in trading around the lunch hour. = Sometimes bargains can be had there as a stock takes a breather. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day You bring up a good point, Neal. I've been puzzled over this one = myself recently. Here's my (still under construction) conclusions so far: We're looking for "the perfect breakout" of a particular pivot point = with at least 150% volume. So, if you're trading intraday, that means you = can watch for the trades to hit the pivot point. Sometimes that means it's = early in the morning, sometimes later in the day, so easy enough to = extrapolate the volume to end of day. So far so good. But I've been whipsawed a = couple of times recently and it makes me wonder. Maybe buying at the pivot is = not as critical as buying in "the zone" with clear confirmation the zone is = going to hold. So, let's say 1 hour into the day the pivot is hit. = Extrapolate volume, it's ok. Now *wait* for at least an hour to see if the = volume of activity around the pivot continues. I'm guessing that would keep me = from entering the trade and seeing sellers quickly run in and move the = price back into the base or handle. My conclusion is that when the market is = still trying to find its legs, it's better to be buying a little late (as = much as pivot +5%) than to be exactly on pivot and being cast into whipsaw = h***. Time of day seems less critical than confirmation of the move. A great example of this is BVF. Know there's been some discussion = threads on this recently. This one's "tried" to break out several times and = frankly, sucked me in. If I'd been following the entry guidelines I just = mentioned, I would have waited. I've finally figured out that this one's a = classic "ascending base" and that means it will have several breakout = failures. Now, just need to see if it can manage to break out of the upper trend = line on volume. Maybe, one day, it will. And maybe this time I'll be better prepared. Now I know that doesn't really address the issue of "best time of = day" exactly, but am hoping this is still on point. Would love to hear = some additional input on this issue. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Frankle" To: "Jeff Salisbury" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] time of the day I have found lately that if I buy something breaking out in the = morning - by afternoon, the breakout often fails and I am stuck! If I restrict = my buys to the last 30 minutes....the trade could get away from me. I would welcome any comments on your thoughts about if the time of = the day is relevant using this system. 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Tom,
 
Hmmm. I agree with you on the notion of = hitting the=20 pivot as confirmation in and of itself, but lately I've seen a lot of = stocks hit=20 that pivot point for 20 minutes and then turn tail. I have a theory that = would=20 only hold right now in this environment, but wouldn't necessarily hold = once the=20 Bull gets legs. Let me try this on for size. If you look through the = universe of=20 CANSLIM stocks right now, frankly, there's just not that many set up. So = here=20 you have a lot of people dutifully calculating the pivot/buy point at = .10 above=20 the last correction high on a small universe of stocks. If they don't = trade=20 intraday, they may very well place buy stops the night before. So here = you have=20 all these people placing orders at the same price. OK, it's just a = theory, and=20 in the grand scheme of things the small retail guys are nothing compared = to the=20 institutions, but couldn't it be possible that the MM's are somehow = clearing the=20 decks? If that's so, I just don't want to be swept overboard. I'm = willing to=20 wait a bit to make sure it doesn't happen.
 
All said, I like your idea of a partial = entry and=20 tight stop. But I *really* hate getting whipsawed!
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 7:53=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of = the=20 day

Hi Katherine, Neal,
 
The combination of volume and breaking the pivot = are already=20 a "confirmation" of a buy signal, assuming the necessary other = elements of=20 CANSLIM are in place, such as RS, EPS, accelerating earnings, chart = formation,=20 etc.  By waiting another hour, you are seeking a double = confirmation, and=20 I am not sure that would add anything to your ultimate success ratio. = If the=20 first confirmation proves to be valid, then you may only end up having = to pay=20 a higher price, or see it beyond 5% of the pivot, and miss it=20 entirely.
 
If the first confirmation turns out to be a head = fake, there=20 is no guarantee that you still won't get the continued volume for = another=20 hour, pay a higher price, and still have it end up = retreating.
 
If you want to be more sure of the validity of the = first=20 confirmation (pivot passed on volume), then I would consider just = buying a=20 half position, and put in a tight stop loss for the day. If it remains = strong,=20 and doesn't run too far, you can always buy the other half position at = a=20 higher price, or wait for a second entry point.
 
I have always recommended to investors not to = place orders=20 (buy or sell) in the first half hour of the trading day. Far too = often, market=20 direction for the day can reverse in that time frame, and take a lot = of stocks=20 with it. The same is true, to a lesser degree, in the last half hour = of the=20 trading day. An alternative if you cannot watch the markets due to the = interference of your day job is to use limit orders.  There is = also a=20 noticeable slow down in trading around the lunch hour. Sometimes = bargains can=20 be had there as a stock takes a breather.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 10:02=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time = of the=20 day

You bring up a good point, Neal. I've been puzzled = over this=20 one myself
recently. Here's my (still under construction) = conclusions so=20 far:

We're looking for "the perfect breakout" of a particular = pivot=20 point with at
least 150% volume. So, if you're trading intraday, = that=20 means you can watch
for the trades to hit the pivot point. = Sometimes that=20 means it's early in
the morning, sometimes later in the day, so = easy=20 enough to extrapolate the
volume to end of day. So far so good. = But I've=20 been whipsawed a couple of
times recently and it makes me wonder. = Maybe=20 buying at the pivot is not as
critical as buying in "the zone" = with clear=20 confirmation the zone is going
to hold. So, let's say 1 hour into = the day=20 the pivot is hit. Extrapolate
volume, it's ok. Now *wait* for at = least an=20 hour to see if the volume of
activity around the pivot continues. = I'm=20 guessing that would keep me from
entering the trade and seeing = sellers=20 quickly run in and move the price back
into the base or handle. = My=20 conclusion is that when the market is still
trying to find its = legs, it's=20 better to be buying a little late (as much as
pivot +5%) than to = be=20 exactly on pivot and being cast into whipsaw h***.
Time of day = seems less=20 critical than confirmation of the move.

A great example of = this is=20 BVF. Know there's been some discussion threads on
this recently. = This=20 one's "tried" to break out several times and frankly,
sucked me = in. If=20 I'd been following the entry guidelines I just mentioned, I
would = have=20 waited. I've finally figured out that this one's a = classic
"ascending=20 base" and that means it will have several breakout failures. = Now,
just=20 need to see if it can manage to break out of the upper trend line=20 on
volume. Maybe, one day, it will. And maybe this time I'll be=20 better
prepared.

Now I know that doesn't really address = the issue=20 of "best time of day"
exactly, but am hoping this is still on = point.=20 Would love to hear some
additional input on this=20 issue.

Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net


-----=20 Original Message -----
From: "Neal Frankle" <nfrankle@pacbell.net>
To: = "Jeff=20 Salisbury" <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] time of = the=20 day


I have found lately that if I buy something breaking = out in=20 the morning - by
afternoon, the breakout often fails and I am=20 stuck!  If I restrict my buys
to the last 30 minutes....the = trade=20 could get away from me.

I would welcome any comments on your = thoughts=20 about if the time of the day
is relevant using this=20 = system.

Thanks,

Neal
------=_NextPart_000_028C_01C1624B.FB6A4700-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Use of Best Ups table Date: 31 Oct 2001 21:20:26 -0600 Hi Marc, I use the Best Ups as part of my stock screening. I just look up the charts of those listed and try to dig up some earnings/sales history and future estimates. online It's time consuming! I have just recently started doing this so I can't testify to success or failure. I'm just trying to find some fundamentally sound companies to watch for good chart development. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:59 PM > For those of you who read IBD, how do you use the Best Ups table? > I'm looking for an efficient method or techniques to evaluate the > stocks listed there. Currently I look for company names mentioned > elsewhere (in this forum or in the paper) and for those that have > three up arrows in each of the columns. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] TARO Date: 31 Oct 2001 21:37:44 -0600 Jans, Your interpretation is certainly valid. I would give it equal weight with the alternate count of a simple A-B-C correction that was completed the week of 9-21 (this would be the A wave of the large 3-3-5 in your count). Again we have the possibility of a bullish interpretation my alternate count with a new impulse wave beginning after the week of 9-21, or a bearish scenario which would be your count of a large 3-3-5. Ultimately the overall health of the market will likely determine which count will prove correct. Longer term though both of these counts forecast much higher prices several months out. One final thought under your interpretation the C wave could drop as low as the $20 range. E -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:43 PM Ernie: If you'll notice TARO is in a LLUR on the weekly chart-and now it appears to be in an A correction of a 3-3-5. Katherine makes a good point as far as the weakness of the group is concerned-as a matter of fact, her observation is what made me look at the weekly chart of TARO. To me it looks like a strong stock (strong fundamentals and a strong uptrend; however, it could very well be on its way to 49 in a B correction (the resistance zone). Its final C (5-wave) should take it to about $28 or a little bit lower. At least that's how it looks to me. And to you? jans In a message dated 10/30/2001 9:31:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ernie.Hill@ElPaso.com writes: << I brought TARO up last week and went long. However, my analysis projects strong resistance at 49 which is also very near the old high. My analysis also predicts a high probability that the price will move to this resistance level or very near it. If and when it does I will sell. I agree that the whole picture does not look good, and I don't want to be in this one very long. >> - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] time of the day Date: 31 Oct 2001 21:44:57 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16287.930E75F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Katherine, You may be on to something. Your theory certainly fits the market action. I tend to lean towards believing conspiracy theories anyway. So tell me who do you think killed Kennedy? :) E -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:38 PM Tom, Hmmm. I agree with you on the notion of hitting the pivot as confirmation in and of itself, but lately I've seen a lot of stocks hit that pivot point for 20 minutes and then turn tail. I have a theory that would only hold right now in this environment, but wouldn't necessarily hold once the Bull gets legs. Let me try this on for size. If you look through the universe of CANSLIM stocks right now, frankly, there's just not that many set up. So here you have a lot of people dutifully calculating the pivot/buy point at .10 above the last correction high on a small universe of stocks. If they don't trade intraday, they may very well place buy stops the night before. So here you have all these people placing orders at the same price. OK, it's just a theory, and in the grand scheme of things the small retail guys are nothing compared to the institutions, but couldn't it be possible that the MM's are somehow clearing the decks? If that's so, I just don't want to be swept overboard. I'm willing to wait a bit to make sure it doesn't happen. All said, I like your idea of a partial entry and tight stop. But I *really* hate getting whipsawed! Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:53 PM Hi Katherine, Neal, The combination of volume and breaking the pivot are already a "confirmation" of a buy signal, assuming the necessary other elements of CANSLIM are in place, such as RS, EPS, accelerating earnings, chart formation, etc. By waiting another hour, you are seeking a double confirmation, and I am not sure that would add anything to your ultimate success ratio. If the first confirmation proves to be valid, then you may only end up having to pay a higher price, or see it beyond 5% of the pivot, and miss it entirely. If the first confirmation turns out to be a head fake, there is no guarantee that you still won't get the continued volume for another hour, pay a higher price, and still have it end up retreating. If you want to be more sure of the validity of the first confirmation (pivot passed on volume), then I would consider just buying a half position, and put in a tight stop loss for the day. If it remains strong, and doesn't run too far, you can always buy the other half position at a higher price, or wait for a second entry point. I have always recommended to investors not to place orders (buy or sell) in the first half hour of the trading day. Far too often, market direction for the day can reverse in that time frame, and take a lot of stocks with it. The same is true, to a lesser degree, in the last half hour of the trading day. An alternative if you cannot watch the markets due to the interference of your day job is to use limit orders. There is also a noticeable slow down in trading around the lunch hour. Sometimes bargains can be had there as a stock takes a breather. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:02 AM You bring up a good point, Neal. I've been puzzled over this one myself recently. Here's my (still under construction) conclusions so far: We're looking for "the perfect breakout" of a particular pivot point with at least 150% volume. So, if you're trading intraday, that means you can watch for the trades to hit the pivot point. Sometimes that means it's early in the morning, sometimes later in the day, so easy enough to extrapolate the volume to end of day. So far so good. But I've been whipsawed a couple of times recently and it makes me wonder. Maybe buying at the pivot is not as critical as buying in "the zone" with clear confirmation the zone is going to hold. So, let's say 1 hour into the day the pivot is hit. Extrapolate volume, it's ok. Now *wait* for at least an hour to see if the volume of activity around the pivot continues. I'm guessing that would keep me from entering the trade and seeing sellers quickly run in and move the price back into the base or handle. My conclusion is that when the market is still trying to find its legs, it's better to be buying a little late (as much as pivot +5%) than to be exactly on pivot and being cast into whipsaw h***. Time of day seems less critical than confirmation of the move. A great example of this is BVF. Know there's been some discussion threads on this recently. This one's "tried" to break out several times and frankly, sucked me in. If I'd been following the entry guidelines I just mentioned, I would have waited. I've finally figured out that this one's a classic "ascending base" and that means it will have several breakout failures. Now, just need to see if it can manage to break out of the upper trend line on volume. Maybe, one day, it will. And maybe this time I'll be better prepared. Now I know that doesn't really address the issue of "best time of day" exactly, but am hoping this is still on point. Would love to hear some additional input on this issue. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:48 AM I have found lately that if I buy something breaking out in the morning - by afternoon, the breakout often fails and I am stuck! If I restrict my buys to the last 30 minutes....the trade could get away from me. I would welcome any comments on your thoughts about if the time of the day is relevant using this system. Thanks, Neal ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Katherine,
 
You may be on to something. Your theory certainly fits the market action. I tend to lean towards believing conspiracy theories anyway.
 
So tell me who do you think killed Kennedy? :)
 
E 
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:38 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day

Tom,
 
Hmmm. I agree with you on the notion of hitting the pivot as confirmation in and of itself, but lately I've seen a lot of stocks hit that pivot point for 20 minutes and then turn tail. I have a theory that would only hold right now in this environment, but wouldn't necessarily hold once the Bull gets legs. Let me try this on for size. If you look through the universe of CANSLIM stocks right now, frankly, there's just not that many set up. So here you have a lot of people dutifully calculating the pivot/buy point at .10 above the last correction high on a small universe of stocks. If they don't trade intraday, they may very well place buy stops the night before. So here you have all these people placing orders at the same price. OK, it's just a theory, and in the grand scheme of things the small retail guys are nothing compared to the institutions, but couldn't it be possible that the MM's are somehow clearing the decks? If that's so, I just don't want to be swept overboard. I'm willing to wait a bit to make sure it doesn't happen.
 
All said, I like your idea of a partial entry and tight stop. But I *really* hate getting whipsawed!
 
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Worley
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day

Hi Katherine, Neal,
 
The combination of volume and breaking the pivot are already a "confirmation" of a buy signal, assuming the necessary other elements of CANSLIM are in place, such as RS, EPS, accelerating earnings, chart formation, etc.  By waiting another hour, you are seeking a double confirmation, and I am not sure that would add anything to your ultimate success ratio. If the first confirmation proves to be valid, then you may only end up having to pay a higher price, or see it beyond 5% of the pivot, and miss it entirely.
 
If the first confirmation turns out to be a head fake, there is no guarantee that you still won't get the continued volume for another hour, pay a higher price, and still have it end up retreating.
 
If you want to be more sure of the validity of the first confirmation (pivot passed on volume), then I would consider just buying a half position, and put in a tight stop loss for the day. If it remains strong, and doesn't run too far, you can always buy the other half position at a higher price, or wait for a second entry point.
 
I have always recommended to investors not to place orders (buy or sell) in the first half hour of the trading day. Far too often, market direction for the day can reverse in that time frame, and take a lot of stocks with it. The same is true, to a lesser degree, in the last half hour of the trading day. An alternative if you cannot watch the markets due to the interference of your day job is to use limit orders.  There is also a noticeable slow down in trading around the lunch hour. Sometimes bargains can be had there as a stock takes a breather.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day

You bring up a good point, Neal. I've been puzzled over this one myself
recently. Here's my (still under construction) conclusions so far:

We're looking for "the perfect breakout" of a particular pivot point with at
least 150% volume. So, if you're trading intraday, that means you can watch
for the trades to hit the pivot point. Sometimes that means it's early in
the morning, sometimes later in the day, so easy enough to extrapolate the
volume to end of day. So far so good. But I've been whipsawed a couple of
times recently and it makes me wonder. Maybe buying at the pivot is not as
critical as buying in "the zone" with clear confirmation the zone is going
to hold. So, let's say 1 hour into the day the pivot is hit. Extrapolate
volume, it's ok. Now *wait* for at least an hour to see if the volume of
activity around the pivot continues. I'm guessing that would keep me from
entering the trade and seeing sellers quickly run in and move the price back
into the base or handle. My conclusion is that when the market is still
trying to find its legs, it's better to be buying a little late (as much as
pivot +5%) than to be exactly on pivot and being cast into whipsaw h***.
Time of day seems less critical than confirmation of the move.

A great example of this is BVF. Know there's been some discussion threads on
this recently. This one's "tried" to break out several times and frankly,
sucked me in. If I'd been following the entry guidelines I just mentioned, I
would have waited. I've finally figured out that this one's a classic
"ascending base" and that means it will have several breakout failures. Now,
just need to see if it can manage to break out of the upper trend line on
volume. Maybe, one day, it will. And maybe this time I'll be better
prepared.

Now I know that doesn't really address the issue of "best time of day"
exactly, but am hoping this is still on point. Would love to hear some
additional input on this issue.

Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net



----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Frankle" <nfrankle@pacbell.net>
To: "Jeff Salisbury" <canslim@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] time of the day


I have found lately that if I buy something breaking out in the morning - by
afternoon, the breakout often fails and I am stuck!  If I restrict my buys
to the last 30 minutes....the trade could get away from me.

I would welcome any comments on your thoughts about if the time of the day
is relevant using this system.

Thanks,

Neal


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C16287.930E75F0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day Date: 31 Oct 2001 21:25:35 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02AC_01C16252.9426DDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable E, Uh oh, now I'm worried. Better keep my silly theories to myself! :)) Katherine ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 So tell me who do you think killed Kennedy? :) ------=_NextPart_000_02AC_01C16252.9426DDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
E,
 
Uh oh, now I'm worried. Better keep my = silly=20 theories to myself! :))
 
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hill,=20 Ernie
<snip>
So=20 tell me who do you think killed = Kennedy? :)
------=_NextPart_000_02AC_01C16252.9426DDE0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: LLUR (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO) Date: 31 Oct 2001 22:48:06 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1625E.1B214E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lower Left Upper Right Key to the pattern is a smooth price chart (essentially a flat line = base), steadily progressing. Also described as a trading range, but with = low volatility. Key to recognition is tilting your head about 45 degrees = to the left, then you see a flat line base chart. Buy point is when it = trades to its low range, sell point is at the high point of its trading = range (or just hold thru the ups and downs). Ideally, you want a full 12 = months of the pattern unblemished by any volatility. Often the 50 DMA = line serves as the lower threshold, but sometimes other moving averages = provide a better guideline. Key to success is recognizing when it changes its pattern (that includes = a substantial break out to the upside). Be quick to exit when it changes = pattern, as otherwise there is no nearby base to support it in a = pullback. Term introduced to this group by a former member, not mentioned by WON, = so not pure CANSLIM. Success with this pattern totally based and = predicated on it continuing its pattern, so any variation is cause for = alarm. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO jans,=20 Sorry, still learning the group's abbreviations, but "LLUR" stumped = me! Katherine ----- Original Message -----=20 > Ernie: >=20 > If you'll notice TARO is in a LLUR on the weekly chart ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1625E.1B214E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lower=20 Left Upper Right
 
Key to the pattern is a smooth price chart = (essentially a flat=20 line base), steadily progressing. Also described as a trading range, but = with=20 low volatility. Key to recognition is tilting your head about 45 degrees = to the=20 left, then you see a flat line base chart. Buy point is when it trades = to its=20 low range, sell point is at the high point of its trading range (or just = hold=20 thru the ups and downs). Ideally, you want a full 12 months of the = pattern=20 unblemished by any volatility. Often the 50 DMA line serves as the lower = threshold, but sometimes other moving averages provide a better=20 guideline.
 
Key to success is recognizing when it changes its = pattern=20 (that includes a substantial break out to the upside). Be quick to exit = when it=20 changes pattern, as otherwise there is no nearby base to support it in a = pullback.
 
Term introduced to this group by a former member, = not=20 mentioned by WON, so not pure CANSLIM. Success with this pattern totally = based=20 and predicated on it continuing its pattern, so any variation is cause = for=20 alarm.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 9:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

jans,

Sorry, still learning the group's = abbreviations,=20 but "LLUR" stumped me!

Katherine

----- Original Message = -----=20
> Ernie:
>
>      If = you'll=20 notice TARO is in a LLUR on the weekly=20 chart

<snip>

------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1625E.1B214E60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: LLUR (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO) Date: 31 Oct 2001 21:33:45 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C4_01C16253.B80AAEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Tom. So how is that different than an ascending base? Is it just length of = time in the range? Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: LLUR (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO) Lower Left Upper Right Key to the pattern is a smooth price chart (essentially a flat line = base), steadily progressing. Also described as a trading range, but with = low volatility. Key to recognition is tilting your head about 45 degrees = to the left, then you see a flat line base chart. Buy point is when it = trades to its low range, sell point is at the high point of its trading = range (or just hold thru the ups and downs). Ideally, you want a full 12 = months of the pattern unblemished by any volatility. Often the 50 DMA = line serves as the lower threshold, but sometimes other moving averages = provide a better guideline. Key to success is recognizing when it changes its pattern (that = includes a substantial break out to the upside). Be quick to exit when = it changes pattern, as otherwise there is no nearby base to support it = in a pullback. Term introduced to this group by a former member, not mentioned by = WON, so not pure CANSLIM. Success with this pattern totally based and = predicated on it continuing its pattern, so any variation is cause for = alarm. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO jans,=20 Sorry, still learning the group's abbreviations, but "LLUR" stumped = me! Katherine ----- Original Message -----=20 > Ernie: >=20 > If you'll notice TARO is in a LLUR on the weekly chart ------=_NextPart_000_02C4_01C16253.B80AAEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Tom.
 
So how is that different than an = ascending base? Is=20 it just length of time in the range?
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom = Worley=20
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 9:48=20 PM
Subject: LLUR (was Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 TARO)

Lower=20 Left Upper Right
 
Key to the pattern is a smooth price chart = (essentially a=20 flat line base), steadily progressing. Also described as a trading = range, but=20 with low volatility. Key to recognition is tilting your head about 45 = degrees=20 to the left, then you see a flat line base chart. Buy point is when it = trades=20 to its low range, sell point is at the high point of its trading range = (or=20 just hold thru the ups and downs). Ideally, you want a full 12 months = of the=20 pattern unblemished by any volatility. Often the 50 DMA line serves as = the=20 lower threshold, but sometimes other moving averages provide a better=20 guideline.
 
Key to success is recognizing when it changes its = pattern=20 (that includes a substantial break out to the upside). Be quick to = exit when=20 it changes pattern, as otherwise there is no nearby base to support it = in a=20 pullback.
 
Term introduced to this group by a former member, = not=20 mentioned by WON, so not pure CANSLIM. Success with this pattern = totally based=20 and predicated on it continuing its pattern, so any variation is cause = for=20 alarm.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 9:20=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

jans,

Sorry, still learning the group's=20 abbreviations, but "LLUR" stumped me!

Katherine

----- = Original=20 Message -----
> Ernie:
> =
>     =20 If you'll notice TARO is in a LLUR on the weekly=20 = chart

<snip>

= ------=_NextPart_000_02C4_01C16253.B80AAEC0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day Date: 31 Oct 2001 23:01:25 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C1625F.F7AB5320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Katherine and Ernie, A little paranoia in this business is normal, even probably healthy. I = have seen experiences of what I would call market manipulation by the = market makers (MM), but I consider it rare, and risky for them. Frankly, = they are little better at calling the short term market trends than we = are! The main reason I advise investors to avoid the first half hour of = trading is that is when orders (both limit and market) placed overnight = will be absorbed. If there was news after the close, investors like us = only able to deal with the market in the evening, or early morning, will = be placing their trades for that day. The MM (for Naz stocks) and the = floor specialists (for everything else) can see those before the market = opens and adjusts their books accordingly.=20 I generally figure if I am not even sure what I am doing, then it is = even more difficult for a MM to figure it out. I prefer to let the = "market" tell me first what it is doing, then act accordingly. I will admit that I have seen over the years an increasing tendency, as = certain styles of investing, picking entry and exit points, etc have = developed, for individual investors as well as institutional money = managers to pick similar entry and exit points. This certainly can = create a congestion of orders at a particular price. And when everyone = rushes for the door at the same time, many will get jammed up there. For = this reason alone, I always try to set my entry or exit point slightly = off where I figure the crowd will converge. And it's not just in this = type of market, it holds true under virtually any market conditions. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hill, Ernie=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] time of the day Katherine, =20 You may be on to something. Your theory certainly fits the market = action. I tend to lean towards believing conspiracy theories anyway. =20 So tell me who do you think killed Kennedy? :) =20 E=20 -----Original Message----- From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:38 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day Tom, =20 Hmmm. I agree with you on the notion of hitting the pivot as = confirmation in and of itself, but lately I've seen a lot of stocks hit = that pivot point for 20 minutes and then turn tail. I have a theory that = would only hold right now in this environment, but wouldn't necessarily = hold once the Bull gets legs. Let me try this on for size. If you look = through the universe of CANSLIM stocks right now, frankly, there's just = not that many set up. So here you have a lot of people dutifully = calculating the pivot/buy point at .10 above the last correction high on = a small universe of stocks. If they don't trade intraday, they may very = well place buy stops the night before. So here you have all these people = placing orders at the same price. OK, it's just a theory, and in the = grand scheme of things the small retail guys are nothing compared to the = institutions, but couldn't it be possible that the MM's are somehow = clearing the decks? If that's so, I just don't want to be swept = overboard. I'm willing to wait a bit to make sure it doesn't happen. =20 All said, I like your idea of a partial entry and tight stop. But I = *really* hate getting whipsawed! =20 Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day Hi Katherine, Neal, The combination of volume and breaking the pivot are already a = "confirmation" of a buy signal, assuming the necessary other elements of = CANSLIM are in place, such as RS, EPS, accelerating earnings, chart = formation, etc. By waiting another hour, you are seeking a double = confirmation, and I am not sure that would add anything to your ultimate = success ratio. If the first confirmation proves to be valid, then you = may only end up having to pay a higher price, or see it beyond 5% of the = pivot, and miss it entirely. If the first confirmation turns out to be a head fake, there is no = guarantee that you still won't get the continued volume for another = hour, pay a higher price, and still have it end up retreating. If you want to be more sure of the validity of the first = confirmation (pivot passed on volume), then I would consider just buying = a half position, and put in a tight stop loss for the day. If it remains = strong, and doesn't run too far, you can always buy the other half = position at a higher price, or wait for a second entry point. I have always recommended to investors not to place orders (buy or = sell) in the first half hour of the trading day. Far too often, market = direction for the day can reverse in that time frame, and take a lot of = stocks with it. The same is true, to a lesser degree, in the last half = hour of the trading day. An alternative if you cannot watch the markets = due to the interference of your day job is to use limit orders. There = is also a noticeable slow down in trading around the lunch hour. = Sometimes bargains can be had there as a stock takes a breather. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day You bring up a good point, Neal. I've been puzzled over this one = myself recently. Here's my (still under construction) conclusions so = far: We're looking for "the perfect breakout" of a particular pivot = point with at least 150% volume. So, if you're trading intraday, that means = you can watch for the trades to hit the pivot point. Sometimes that means it's = early in the morning, sometimes later in the day, so easy enough to = extrapolate the volume to end of day. So far so good. But I've been whipsawed a = couple of times recently and it makes me wonder. Maybe buying at the pivot = is not as critical as buying in "the zone" with clear confirmation the = zone is going to hold. So, let's say 1 hour into the day the pivot is hit. = Extrapolate volume, it's ok. Now *wait* for at least an hour to see if the = volume of activity around the pivot continues. I'm guessing that would = keep me from entering the trade and seeing sellers quickly run in and move = the price back into the base or handle. My conclusion is that when the market = is still trying to find its legs, it's better to be buying a little late = (as much as pivot +5%) than to be exactly on pivot and being cast into = whipsaw h***. Time of day seems less critical than confirmation of the move. A great example of this is BVF. Know there's been some = discussion threads on this recently. This one's "tried" to break out several times and = frankly, sucked me in. If I'd been following the entry guidelines I just = mentioned, I would have waited. I've finally figured out that this one's a = classic "ascending base" and that means it will have several breakout = failures. Now, just need to see if it can manage to break out of the upper = trend line on volume. Maybe, one day, it will. And maybe this time I'll be = better prepared. Now I know that doesn't really address the issue of "best time = of day" exactly, but am hoping this is still on point. Would love to = hear some additional input on this issue. Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Frankle" To: "Jeff Salisbury" Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] time of the day I have found lately that if I buy something breaking out in the = morning - by afternoon, the breakout often fails and I am stuck! If I = restrict my buys to the last 30 minutes....the trade could get away from me. I would welcome any comments on your thoughts about if the time = of the day is relevant using this system. Thanks, Neal ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso=20 Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the=20 use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.=20 If you have received this email in error please notify the=20 sender. ****************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C1625F.F7AB5320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Katherine and Ernie,
 
A little paranoia in this business is normal, even = probably=20 healthy. I have seen experiences of what I would call market = manipulation by the=20 market makers (MM), but I consider it rare, and risky for them. Frankly, = they=20 are little better at calling the short term market trends than we=20 are!
 
The main reason I advise investors to avoid the = first half=20 hour of trading is that is when orders (both limit and market) placed = overnight=20 will be absorbed. If there was news after the close, investors like us = only able=20 to deal with the market in the evening, or early morning, will be = placing their=20 trades for that day. The MM (for Naz stocks) and the floor specialists = (for=20 everything else) can see those before the market opens and adjusts their = books=20 accordingly.
 
I generally figure if I am not even sure what I am = doing, then=20 it is even more difficult for a MM to figure it out. I prefer to let the = "market" tell me first what it is doing, then act = accordingly.
 
I will admit that I have seen over the years an = increasing=20 tendency, as certain styles of investing, picking entry and exit points, = etc=20 have developed, for individual investors as well as institutional money = managers=20 to pick similar entry and exit points. This certainly can create a = congestion of=20 orders at a particular price. And when everyone rushes for the door at = the same=20 time, many will get jammed up there. For this reason alone, I always try = to set=20 my entry or exit point slightly off where I figure the crowd will = converge. And=20 it's not just in this type of market, it holds true under virtually any = market=20 conditions.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hill,=20 Ernie
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 10:44=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] time of = the=20 day

Katherine,
 
You=20 may be on to something. Your theory certainly fits the market = action. I=20 tend to lean towards believing conspiracy theories = anyway.
 
So=20 tell me who do you think killed Kennedy? :)
 
E 
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm = [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent:=20 Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:38 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] time of the day

Tom,
 
Hmmm. I agree with you on the = notion of hitting=20 the pivot as confirmation in and of itself, but lately I've seen a = lot of=20 stocks hit that pivot point for 20 minutes and then turn tail. I = have a=20 theory that would only hold right now in this environment, but = wouldn't=20 necessarily hold once the Bull gets legs. Let me try this on for = size. If=20 you look through the universe of CANSLIM stocks right now, frankly, = there's=20 just not that many set up. So here you have a lot of people = dutifully=20 calculating the pivot/buy point at .10 above the last correction = high on a=20 small universe of stocks. If they don't trade intraday, they may = very well=20 place buy stops the night before. So here you have all these people = placing=20 orders at the same price. OK, it's just a theory, and in the grand = scheme of=20 things the small retail guys are nothing compared to the = institutions, but=20 couldn't it be possible that the MM's are somehow clearing the = decks? If=20 that's so, I just don't want to be swept overboard. I'm willing to = wait a=20 bit to make sure it doesn't happen.
 
All said, I like your idea of a = partial entry=20 and tight stop. But I *really* hate getting whipsawed!
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October = 31, 2001=20 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] time = of the=20 day

Hi Katherine, Neal,
 
The combination of volume and breaking the = pivot are=20 already a "confirmation" of a buy signal, assuming the necessary = other=20 elements of CANSLIM are in place, such as RS, EPS, accelerating = earnings,=20 chart formation, etc.  By waiting another hour, you are = seeking a=20 double confirmation, and I am not sure that would add anything to = your=20 ultimate success ratio. If the first confirmation proves to be = valid, then=20 you may only end up having to pay a higher price, or see it beyond = 5% of=20 the pivot, and miss it entirely.
 
If the first confirmation turns out to be a = head fake,=20 there is no guarantee that you still won't get the continued = volume for=20 another hour, pay a higher price, and still have it end up=20 retreating.
 
If you want to be more sure of the validity of = the first=20 confirmation (pivot passed on volume), then I would consider just = buying a=20 half position, and put in a tight stop loss for the day. If it = remains=20 strong, and doesn't run too far, you can always buy the other half = position at a higher price, or wait for a second entry = point.
 
I have always recommended to investors not to = place=20 orders (buy or sell) in the first half hour of the trading day. = Far too=20 often, market direction for the day can reverse in that time = frame, and=20 take a lot of stocks with it. The same is true, to a lesser = degree, in the=20 last half hour of the trading day. An alternative if you cannot = watch the=20 markets due to the interference of your day job is to use limit=20 orders.  There is also a noticeable slow down in trading = around the=20 lunch hour. Sometimes bargains can be had there as a stock takes a = breather.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, October = 31, 2001=20 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = time of the=20 day

You bring up a good point, Neal. I've been = puzzled over=20 this one myself
recently. Here's my (still under = construction)=20 conclusions so far:

We're looking for "the perfect = breakout" of a=20 particular pivot point with at
least 150% volume. So, if = you're=20 trading intraday, that means you can watch
for the trades to = hit the=20 pivot point. Sometimes that means it's early in
the morning,=20 sometimes later in the day, so easy enough to extrapolate = the
volume=20 to end of day. So far so good. But I've been whipsawed a couple=20 of
times recently and it makes me wonder. Maybe buying at the = pivot=20 is not as
critical as buying in "the zone" with clear = confirmation=20 the zone is going
to hold. So, let's say 1 hour into the day = the=20 pivot is hit. Extrapolate
volume, it's ok. Now *wait* for at = least an=20 hour to see if the volume of
activity around the pivot = continues. I'm=20 guessing that would keep me from
entering the trade and = seeing=20 sellers quickly run in and move the price back
into the base = or=20 handle. My conclusion is that when the market is still
trying = to find=20 its legs, it's better to be buying a little late (as much = as
pivot=20 +5%) than to be exactly on pivot and being cast into whipsaw=20 h***.
Time of day seems less critical than confirmation of = the=20 move.

A great example of this is BVF. Know there's been = some=20 discussion threads on
this recently. This one's "tried" to = break out=20 several times and frankly,
sucked me in. If I'd been = following the=20 entry guidelines I just mentioned, I
would have waited. I've = finally=20 figured out that this one's a classic
"ascending base" and = that means=20 it will have several breakout failures. Now,
just need to see = if it=20 can manage to break out of the upper trend line on
volume. = Maybe, one=20 day, it will. And maybe this time I'll be = better
prepared.

Now=20 I know that doesn't really address the issue of "best time of=20 day"
exactly, but am hoping this is still on point. Would = love to=20 hear some
additional input on this = issue.

Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net


-----=20 Original Message -----
From: "Neal Frankle" <nfrankle@pacbell.net>
To: = "Jeff Salisbury" <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
Sent:=20 Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:48 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] time = of the=20 day


I have found lately that if I buy something = breaking out=20 in the morning - by
afternoon, the breakout often fails and I = am=20 stuck!  If I restrict my buys
to the last 30 = minutes....the=20 trade could get away from me.

I would welcome any = comments on=20 your thoughts about if the time of the day
is relevant using = this=20 = system.

Thanks,

Neal


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 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C1625F.F7AB5320-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: LLUR (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO) Date: 31 Oct 2001 23:05:58 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C16260.9A792E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Personally, I think it is as much semantics as anything else. Ascending = base (depending on how you define base), trading range, or lower left = upper right all chart the same. Probably the biggest difference is that LLUR demands low volatility, and = prefers a 12 month pattern. But just like pure CANSLIM, we all tend to = shade the rules and definitions. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:33 PM Subject: Re: LLUR (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO) Thanks Tom. =20 So how is that different than an ascending base? Is it just length of = time in the range? =20 Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: CANSLIM=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: LLUR (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO) Lower Left Upper Right Key to the pattern is a smooth price chart (essentially a flat line = base), steadily progressing. Also described as a trading range, but with = low volatility. Key to recognition is tilting your head about 45 degrees = to the left, then you see a flat line base chart. Buy point is when it = trades to its low range, sell point is at the high point of its trading = range (or just hold thru the ups and downs). Ideally, you want a full 12 = months of the pattern unblemished by any volatility. Often the 50 DMA = line serves as the lower threshold, but sometimes other moving averages = provide a better guideline. Key to success is recognizing when it changes its pattern (that = includes a substantial break out to the upside). Be quick to exit when = it changes pattern, as otherwise there is no nearby base to support it = in a pullback. Term introduced to this group by a former member, not mentioned by = WON, so not pure CANSLIM. Success with this pattern totally based and = predicated on it continuing its pattern, so any variation is cause for = alarm. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO jans,=20 Sorry, still learning the group's abbreviations, but "LLUR" = stumped me! Katherine ----- Original Message -----=20 > Ernie: >=20 > If you'll notice TARO is in a LLUR on the weekly chart ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C16260.9A792E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Personally, I think it is as much semantics as = anything else.=20 Ascending base (depending on how you define base), trading range, or = lower left=20 upper right all chart the same.
 
Probably the biggest difference is that LLUR demands = low=20 volatility, and prefers a 12 month pattern. But just like pure CANSLIM, = we all=20 tend to shade the rules and definitions.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 10:33=20 PM
Subject: Re: LLUR (was Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 TARO)

Thanks Tom.
 
So how is that different than an = ascending base?=20 Is it just length of time in the range?
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 9:48=20 PM
Subject: LLUR (was Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 TARO)

Lower=20 Left Upper Right
 
Key to the pattern is a smooth price chart = (essentially a=20 flat line base), steadily progressing. Also described as a trading = range,=20 but with low volatility. Key to recognition is tilting your head = about 45=20 degrees to the left, then you see a flat line base chart. Buy point = is when=20 it trades to its low range, sell point is at the high point of its = trading=20 range (or just hold thru the ups and downs). Ideally, you want a = full 12=20 months of the pattern unblemished by any volatility. Often the 50 = DMA line=20 serves as the lower threshold, but sometimes other moving averages = provide a=20 better guideline.
 
Key to success is recognizing when it changes = its pattern=20 (that includes a substantial break out to the upside). Be quick to = exit when=20 it changes pattern, as otherwise there is no nearby base to support = it in a=20 pullback.
 
Term introduced to this group by a former = member, not=20 mentioned by WON, so not pure CANSLIM. Success with this pattern = totally=20 based and predicated on it continuing its pattern, so any variation = is cause=20 for alarm.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Wednesday, October = 31, 2001=20 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

jans,

Sorry, still learning the group's=20 abbreviations, but "LLUR" stumped = me!

Katherine

-----=20 Original Message -----
> Ernie:
>=20
>      If you'll notice TARO is in = a LLUR=20 on the weekly=20 chart

<snip>

<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C16260.9A792E60-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Hill, Ernie" Subject: RE: LLUR (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO) Date: 31 Oct 2001 22:06:31 -0600 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1628A.967AE590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The conspiracy theorists believe the ascending base is IBD renaming the LLUR pattern after stealing it from this list. E PS: I of course believe they are right. -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:34 PM Thanks Tom. So how is that different than an ascending base? Is it just length of time in the range? Katherine kmalm@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:48 PM Lower Left Upper Right Key to the pattern is a smooth price chart (essentially a flat line base), steadily progressing. Also described as a trading range, but with low volatility. Key to recognition is tilting your head about 45 degrees to the left, then you see a flat line base chart. Buy point is when it trades to its low range, sell point is at the high point of its trading range (or just hold thru the ups and downs). Ideally, you want a full 12 months of the pattern unblemished by any volatility. Often the 50 DMA line serves as the lower threshold, but sometimes other moving averages provide a better guideline. Key to success is recognizing when it changes its pattern (that includes a substantial break out to the upside). Be quick to exit when it changes pattern, as otherwise there is no nearby base to support it in a pullback. Term introduced to this group by a former member, not mentioned by WON, so not pure CANSLIM. Success with this pattern totally based and predicated on it continuing its pattern, so any variation is cause for alarm. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:20 PM jans, Sorry, still learning the group's abbreviations, but "LLUR" stumped me! Katherine ----- Original Message ----- > Ernie: > > If you'll notice TARO is in a LLUR on the weekly chart ****************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it from the ElPaso Corporation are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. ****************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1628A.967AE590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
The conspiracy theorists believe the ascending base is IBD renaming the LLUR pattern after stealing it from this list.
 
E
 
PS: I of course believe they are right.
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:34 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: LLUR (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO)

Thanks Tom.
 
So how is that different than an ascending base? Is it just length of time in the range?
 
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:48 PM
Subject: LLUR (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO)

Lower Left Upper Right
 
Key to the pattern is a smooth price chart (essentially a flat line base), steadily progressing. Also described as a trading range, but with low volatility. Key to recognition is tilting your head about 45 degrees to the left, then you see a flat line base chart. Buy point is when it trades to its low range, sell point is at the high point of its trading range (or just hold thru the ups and downs). Ideally, you want a full 12 months of the pattern unblemished by any volatility. Often the 50 DMA line serves as the lower threshold, but sometimes other moving averages provide a better guideline.
 
Key to success is recognizing when it changes its pattern (that includes a substantial break out to the upside). Be quick to exit when it changes pattern, as otherwise there is no nearby base to support it in a pullback.
 
Term introduced to this group by a former member, not mentioned by WON, so not pure CANSLIM. Success with this pattern totally based and predicated on it continuing its pattern, so any variation is cause for alarm.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] TARO

jans,

Sorry, still learning the group's abbreviations, but "LLUR" stumped me!

Katherine

----- Original Message -----
> Ernie:
>
>      If you'll notice TARO is in a LLUR on the weekly chart

<snip>



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Hah! You guys inform me and tickle my = funny bone=20 all at the same time. Can't ask for more! Thanks.
 
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hill,=20 Ernie
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001 10:06=20 PM
Subject: RE: LLUR (was Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 TARO)

The=20 conspiracy theorists believe the ascending base is IBD renaming the = LLUR=20 pattern after stealing it from this list.
 
E
 
PS:=20 I of course believe they are right.
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm=20 [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, = 2001=20 9:34 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: LLUR (was Re: [CANSLIM] TARO)

Thanks Tom.
 
So how is that different than an = ascending=20 base? Is it just length of time in the range?
 
Katherine
kmalm@earthlink.net
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
To: CANSLIM
Sent: Wednesday, October = 31, 2001=20 9:48 PM
Subject: LLUR (was Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 TARO)

Lower=20 Left Upper Right
 
Key to the pattern is a smooth price chart = (essentially=20 a flat line base), steadily progressing. Also described as a = trading=20 range, but with low volatility. Key to recognition is tilting your = head=20 about 45 degrees to the left, then you see a flat line base chart. = Buy=20 point is when it trades to its low range, sell point is at the = high point=20 of its trading range (or just hold thru the ups and downs). = Ideally, you=20 want a full 12 months of the pattern unblemished by any = volatility. Often=20 the 50 DMA line serves as the lower threshold, but sometimes other = moving=20 averages provide a better guideline.
 
Key to success is recognizing when it changes = its=20 pattern (that includes a substantial break out to the upside). Be = quick to=20 exit when it changes pattern, as otherwise there is no nearby base = to=20 support it in a pullback.
 
Term introduced to this group by a former = member, not=20 mentioned by WON, so not pure CANSLIM. Success with this pattern = totally=20 based and predicated on it continuing its pattern, so any = variation is=20 cause for alarm.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Wednesday, October = 31, 2001=20 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = TARO

jans,

Sorry, still learning the group's=20 abbreviations, but "LLUR" stumped = me!

Katherine

-----=20 Original Message -----
> Ernie:
>=20
>      If you'll notice TARO is = in a=20 LLUR on the weekly=20 = chart

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