From: Warren Keuffel Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA Date: 01 Nov 2002 08:51:31 -0700 I rely heavily on it, and am continually learning more. I'm not a pure technician but I do try to make sure that any stocks that make it past my fundamentals screen also meet various technical screens. Warren michael_niemotka@baxter.com wrote: > I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the group members use some > other form of technical analysis besides the price volume chart action > described by WON . > Since the chart reading can be very subjective, do any of you use MACD > cross overs, or Point and figure charts to confirm a breakout, or possible > sell sign for a stock? > > Thanks > > Mike > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "inderjit" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Charts for CANSLIMers Date: 01 Nov 2002 11:36:39 -0500 Hello Mike: Your link http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/canslimchart.php does not seem to be clickable any more. Please guide. Thanks. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:28 AM Thanks to Duke and everyone else for the kind words -- for all our sakes I hope the market turns around soon, although I see no prospect of it on the horizon. Unfortunately, the server is off-line today with a technical glitch not related to charting in any way. I'll let you know when its back. Aloha, Mike Gibbons Proactive Technologies, LLC http://www.proactech.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duke Miller Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:15 PM Mike... How utterly cool. When M turns, I and everyone else on this board promise to subscribe to your pay service. Right guys?! Duke -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:49 PM Hi Everyone, When Katherine was warned off using DGO charts to illustrate the finer points of chart analysis, I offered to provide a somewhat equivalent charting service, and I'm pleased to say that she took up my offer and added a few new wrinkles of her own. The results can be seen at http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/canslimchart.php. You will see that you can now obtain a composite chart of daily prices, volumes, 50 and 200 day moving averages, Comparative RS against the S&P, RS Rank against all other NYSE, NASDAQ and AmEx stocks, and the Up/Down Volume Ratio. The RS Rank and Up/Down Volume Charts are color coded into bands representing 'OK', 'Caution' and 'Laggard'. For now, only daily, not weekly, price and volume charts are available, although I intened to add that feature later. Also RS Rank and Up/Down Volume are only available back to Jan, 2002. My thanks to Katherine for her suggestions, and I hope you find these charts useful. As always, your comments and suggestions are most welcome. PS. There is no restriction on fair use reproduction of these charts, as long as the copyright remains intact. Aloha, Mike Gibbons Proactive Technologies, LLC http://www.proactech.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Fred Richards Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:57 AM The NIKKEI ended up down 3.6% at the close and the slide continues in Europe although not quite as bad. The financial sector is getting hit pretty good. Does not look too good for the U.S. markets today unless the Working Group on Financial Markets commits a lot of money. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 8:09 PM The NIKKEI is crashing hard on the open on fears of the effects of cleaning up the bad dept problems of their banks. Down 2.9% already, biggest losers are the weaker banks, and their weakest borrowers, either of which may be forced out of business. Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Gibbons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Charts for CANSLIMers Date: 01 Nov 2002 08:59:15 -1000 Hello Inderjit, Sorry to be so late with a response - we're 5 hours behind over here. I changed the name of the chart routine to avoid possible problems with The WON Companies and renamed it, kmchart.php in honor of Katherine's appeal for a replacement for DGO that she she could use in her postings to this board. I did post a corrected link but you must have missed it. The link is http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php. Since I last posted the link, I've made some more improvements to the charts. They now show intermediate high/low values and the last price within 20 minutes (previously it was just to previous day's close). Aloha, Mike Gibbons Proactive Technologies, LLC http://www.proactech.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of inderjit Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:37 AM Hello Mike: Your link http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/canslimchart.php does not seem to be clickable any more. Please guide. Thanks. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:28 AM Thanks to Duke and everyone else for the kind words -- for all our sakes I hope the market turns around soon, although I see no prospect of it on the horizon. Unfortunately, the server is off-line today with a technical glitch not related to charting in any way. I'll let you know when its back. Aloha, Mike Gibbons Proactive Technologies, LLC http://www.proactech.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duke Miller Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 5:15 PM Mike... How utterly cool. When M turns, I and everyone else on this board promise to subscribe to your pay service. Right guys?! Duke -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:49 PM Hi Everyone, When Katherine was warned off using DGO charts to illustrate the finer points of chart analysis, I offered to provide a somewhat equivalent charting service, and I'm pleased to say that she took up my offer and added a few new wrinkles of her own. The results can be seen at http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/canslimchart.php. You will see that you can now obtain a composite chart of daily prices, volumes, 50 and 200 day moving averages, Comparative RS against the S&P, RS Rank against all other NYSE, NASDAQ and AmEx stocks, and the Up/Down Volume Ratio. The RS Rank and Up/Down Volume Charts are color coded into bands representing 'OK', 'Caution' and 'Laggard'. For now, only daily, not weekly, price and volume charts are available, although I intened to add that feature later. Also RS Rank and Up/Down Volume are only available back to Jan, 2002. My thanks to Katherine for her suggestions, and I hope you find these charts useful. As always, your comments and suggestions are most welcome. PS. There is no restriction on fair use reproduction of these charts, as long as the copyright remains intact. Aloha, Mike Gibbons Proactive Technologies, LLC http://www.proactech.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Fred Richards Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:57 AM The NIKKEI ended up down 3.6% at the close and the slide continues in Europe although not quite as bad. The financial sector is getting hit pretty good. Does not look too good for the U.S. markets today unless the Working Group on Financial Markets commits a lot of money. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 8:09 PM The NIKKEI is crashing hard on the open on fears of the effects of cleaning up the bad dept problems of their banks. Down 2.9% already, biggest losers are the weaker banks, and their weakest borrowers, either of which may be forced out of business. Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Bojanowski" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA Date: 01 Nov 2002 14:10:50 -0500 I like MACD. Check out "Trading for a Living" by Alexander Elder for more info. Great book, a bit technical (no pun intended). The title is a bit misleading, its not geared towards daytraders. >From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com >Reply-To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:04:45 -0600 > >I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the group members use some >other form of technical analysis besides the price volume chart action >described by WON . >Since the chart reading can be very subjective, do any of you use MACD >cross overs, or Point and figure charts to confirm a breakout, or possible >sell sign for a stock? > >Thanks > >Mike > _________________________________________________________________ Broadband? Dial-up? Get reliable MSN Internet Access. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Winkle Subject: [CANSLIM] Charts Date: 01 Nov 2002 13:46:04 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02D1_01C281AD.05F5DF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, I'm a brand spanking new member and don't get a chart of KM = (KMart) when I click this link = http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php. I get a blank screen and = then get the chart when I put KM in the box. Is this correct or do I = have a problem with my setup? Thanks, Fred ------=_NextPart_000_02D1_01C281AD.05F5DF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike, I'm a brand spanking new member and don't = get a=20 chart of KM (KMart) when I click this link http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php. I get a blank screen and then get the chart when I = put KM in=20 the box. Is this correct or do I have a problem with my = setup?
 
Thanks, Fred
------=_NextPart_000_02D1_01C281AD.05F5DF00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Gibbons" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Charts Date: 01 Nov 2002 09:55:23 -1000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0225_01C2818C.CBB7A550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Fred, I Like your sense of humor. For others that don't get it, the km refers to Kathrine Malm, and kmchart.php is the chart generation program. You can also get the same charts at http://www.cwhcharts.com and enter a symbol in the top rh corner. Aloha, Mike Gibbons Proactive Technologies, LLC http://www.proactech.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Fred Winkle Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:46 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Charts Mike, I'm a brand spanking new member and don't get a chart of KM (KMart) when I click this link http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php. I get a blank screen and then get the chart when I put KM in the box. Is this correct or do I have a problem with my setup? Thanks, Fred ------=_NextPart_000_0225_01C2818C.CBB7A550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 Fred,
 
I=20 Like your sense of humor.
 
For=20 others that don't get it, the km refers to Kathrine Malm, and = kmchart.php=20 is the chart generation program.
 
You=20 can also get the same charts at http://www.cwhcharts.com and = enter a=20 symbol in the top rh corner.
 
Aloha,
 
Mike = Gibbons
Proactive = Technologies,=20 LLC
http://www.proactech.com
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Fred=20 Winkle
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:46 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM]=20 Charts

Mike, I'm a brand spanking new member and = don't get a=20 chart of KM (KMart) when I click this link http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php. I get a blank screen and then get the chart when I = put KM in=20 the box. Is this correct or do I have a problem with my = setup?
 
Thanks, = Fred
------=_NextPart_000_0225_01C2818C.CBB7A550-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] my first charts Date: 01 Nov 2002 13:05:41 -0700 Of the stocks listed, I like these two best, PPDI could also be considered to be forming a flag, I think, a good continuation pattern. SHFL as you said is forming the handle part after making a nice cup. SHFL a little choppy in the early part of this handle, would be nice to see it flatten out for a week or so. On 31 Oct 2002 at 13:06, Robin Gridley wrote: > PPDI > Cup consolidating into handle? Fundamentals look good to me except > that pesky group RS thing again (34%) Should that be enough to knock > out a stock that is otherwise A/B/A, EPS 99% and a 32% growth rate? > > SHFL > Cup making handle. A/A/A, 91EPS and RS95. Group RS 80. But management > only owns 4%. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Winkle Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Charts Date: 01 Nov 2002 15:15:39 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0343_01C281B9.893526D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, must be an inside joke, but it looks like that I was on the right = side of it. I didn't know that the chart was one of your staff.=20 The new link works. While there I found your 7-day trial and I'll sign = up shortly. I want to buy TECH and am trying to find an entry point = lower than 36. (34?) Thanks, Fred --- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Gibbons=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Charts Hi Fred, I Like your sense of humor. For others that don't get it, the km refers to Kathrine Malm, and = kmchart.php is the chart generation program. You can also get the same charts at http://www.cwhcharts.com and enter = a symbol in the top rh corner. Aloha, Mike Gibbons Proactive Technologies, LLC http://www.proactech.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Fred Winkle Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:46 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Charts Mike, I'm a brand spanking new member and don't get a chart of KM = (KMart) when I click this link = http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php. I get a blank screen and = then get the chart when I put KM in the box. Is this correct or do I = have a problem with my setup? Thanks, Fred ------=_NextPart_000_0343_01C281B9.893526D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike, must be an inside joke, but it looks=20 like that I was on the right side of it. I didn't know that the = chart was=20 one of your staff.
 
The new link works. While there I found = your 7-day=20 trial and I'll sign up shortly. I want to buy TECH and am trying to = find an=20 entry point lower than 36. (34?)
 
Thanks, Fred
 
 
 
--- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike = Gibbons=20
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 = 1:55=20 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] = Charts

Hi=20 Fred,
 
I=20 Like your sense of humor.
 
For=20 others that don't get it, the km refers to Kathrine Malm, and = kmchart.php=20 is the chart generation program.
 
You=20 can also get the same charts at http://www.cwhcharts.com and = enter a=20 symbol in the top rh corner.
 
Aloha,
 
Mike = Gibbons
Proactive = Technologies,=20 LLC
http://www.proactech.com
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Fred=20 Winkle
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:46 = AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM]=20 Charts

Mike, I'm a brand spanking new member and = don't get a=20 chart of KM (KMart) when I click this link http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php. I get a blank screen and then get the chart when = I put KM=20 in the box. Is this correct or do I have a problem with my=20 setup?
 
Thanks,=20 Fred
------=_NextPart_000_0343_01C281B9.893526D0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 02 Nov 2002 18:45:58 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0759_01C282A0.151BB1F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_075A_01C282A0.151BB1F0" ------=_NextPart_001_075A_01C282A0.151BB1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JAPAN After weeks of waiting, the highly touted plan to reform the banks, and = bring an eventual end to the combination of recession and deflation, was = trotted out. Unfortunately, Japan remains a toothless tiger, and will = continue to drag on the world's economy for years to come. The Nikkei = had been sagging, and threatening once again to fall under 8,000, as = banks feared that Takenaka would deliver a strong and strict reform plan = with full govt backing. Then, as it became obvious that he was running = into political opposition from his own party's old guard, the markets = rallied, and even briefly climbed over 9,000. The plan as delivered is = so watered down that it pleases no one, nor appears to change much at = all from the present. The plans to accelerate write offs of bad loans = now looks like it will not actually speed up the process, and will take = until 2004 or 2005 at least, and that's assuming they stop adding new = defaulted loans as fast as they write off others, which has been the = pattern for several years. The expectation that banks would be required = to adhere to strict int'l accounting standards in identifying = non-performing loans (which could triple the volume of bad loans from = the official level of about $400 billion to well over $1.2 trillion) = became instead mere guidance and encouragement. And the most = controversial element, that of eliminating by March 2003 the legal use = of the "expectation" of a future tax refund (resulting from writing off = bad loans also in the future) as part of the bank's current required = capital reserve, was essentially eliminated entirely. This was = significant, since this would likely have put half the banks below = required minimum capital requirements. New rules were established to = require greater capital reserves on new loans that is more risk related, = however it is expected that this will simply mean less capital available = to small businesses. And to make matters worse, while Japan wallows in = debt (135% of GDP, worst industrialized nation in the world, $5.3 = trillion), there are calls for tax cuts even while the collection of = taxes falls well under the level needed by the govt. As of August, tax = collection was running 19% under last year with only 23% of the full = year target collected with 40% of the year already gone. The govt is = pledged to "only" add a further 30 trillion yen in new debt to its load = this year, but if this loss of tax revenue due to the dismal economy = persists, it alone could increase this figure another 6 or 7 trillion = yen. Any supplemental budget to either pump more money into the economy, = or to infuse fresh cash into failing banks, or more tax cuts, will = additionally increase the Japanese national debt. The Japanese banking = system, and economy, remains on the path to total meltdown and collapse. = This was Prime Minister Koizumi's best, and perhaps last, chance to make = a difference, and it didn't happen. The only hope now is that the global = economy can recover so quickly and strongly that it can drag Japan's = export based economy back into being a powerful engine of the world = economy. That doesn't look likely to happen either, especially with = Japan having to be carried on the backs of other nations. ------- "M" While we somehow managed to hold on and get our fourth week of gains on = every major index, this rally continues to look tired. It still is not = clear to me if we are trying to do the second leg up of a double bottom = "W" formation, or are stagnating in the right shoulder of a head and = shoulders pattern. Volume remains boring, hovering around average. = Volatility has dropped, as had VIX. We survived the earnings reporting = cycle without significant damage, and even got a few decent forward = looking forecasts. Several indexes (Russell 2000, Naz 100, Naz = Composite) are beginning to look more like continuing the rally while = the rest appear to be stagnating in the h&s pattern. Only time will tell = which will win out. I remain fully in cash in my margin acct, but did go = so far as to get preclearance for buys of up to about a dozen tech = stocks, just haven't executed any yet. Elections on Tuesday, and the = Feds meeting on Tue and Wed, will likely affect the markets early in the = week. And the only question with the Feds appears to be whether the long = awaited cut will be 25 BP or 50. A quarter point cut is already priced = into the Treasuries, so anything less will be a blow to the markets (my = bet is on 25 BP). Consumer spending and sentiment is the worst so far = this year. Significant economic and corporate profit recovery appears = now to have been postponed from the second half of this year until at = least mid year 2003. While it may make some sense to nibble around the = edges, and take some small or partial positions, "M" has still not = clearly spoken, so keep your powder dry and your cash safe. ------- ECONOMICS The steady rise in gas prices finally slowed last week, amid most major = oil companies reporting lousy earnings for Q3. Where is all the money = going? Crude has been steadily dropping as part of the Iraqi War Premium = is stripped out, gas pump prices nonetheless went up, and oil company = profits are falling. What am I missing? Is it just a lack of product = volume sales? Chain store sales rose 1.4% during the first 3 weeks of October compared = to September, attributed to cooler weather. The Conference Board reported that consumer confidence fell off the = cliff in October, dropping to 79.4 from September's 93.7. Fifth straight = monthly decline, well under expectations of 90, lowest since Nov 1993. = Also biggest month to month decline since 9/11. Employment Cost Index rose by 0.8% during Q3, below expectations of = 1.0%, as businesses delayed or cancelled wage, salary or benefits = increases. Wages and salaries combined only grew by 0.5%, smallest = increase since Q1 1999. Weekly unemployment reports continue to paint a picture of a stagnant = labor market, new claims rising to 410,000, above expectations of 399K. = Workers continuing on unemployment increased 76K to 3.6 million. That's = a LOT of people out of work as Christmas approaches. Ouch!! Good news, bad news. The preliminary Q3 report of GDP shows a rise to = 3.1%, well above Q2's anemic 1.3%, but also well under expectations of = 3.6%. Consumer spending drove the numbers, up 4.2%, but much of that may = have been early in the quarter, especially on new autos (durable goods = including cars was up 22.7%) which appears to have topped out. One = hopeful sign was business spending on equipment and software, rising at = a 6.5% rate and strongest since Q2 2000 (remember the tech bubble??). = CPI was up a lethargic 1.4%, so inflation remains a non-event, much less = a threat. In a prelude to the nat'l survey, the Chicago Assn of Purchasing = Managers index fell further and faster in October, down to 45.9 from = 48.1 in Sept. Expectations were for 49, so contraction was not only = expected, it was worse than expected by a wide margin. The employment = component of this index fell to 41.6 from 46.6, but prices paid rose to = 62.0 from 57.6. Paralleling the Chicago report, the national report from ISM came in = with a decline to 48.5% in October, down a full percent from September = and below expectations of 48.9%. The employment component rose to 45 = from 44.9, so got worse at a slightly marginally slower rate. On a = positive note, the new orders component rose to 50.9 from 50.2, second = monthly rise and keeping alive hopes for future improvements. US Dollar remains top of the pile, despite accounting scandals, severe = drops in the US markets, poor corporate earnings, fear of recession or = war with Iraq, etc. The US dollar is off 12% against the Euro so far = this year, and 7% against the yen. But the dollar still beats both over = the past 4 years. The S&P500 is down 22% for the year, but France's = CAC40 is down 26.6% and Germany's DAX is down 33.3%, and who's still = counting the NIKKEI as it battles 19 year lows? Consumer spending dropped 0.4% in September, largest decline in 10 = months. Consumer income rose by the same 0.4%. Both were weaker than = expectations of a negative 0.2% and a positive 0.5% respectively. The Longshoremen's Union and the Pacific Maritime Assn have apparently = reached a tentative agreement over implementation of technology. While = details are not out, maybe now productively can at least return to prior = levels, if not exceed that. Construction spending remains strong, up 0.6% in September, and = reversing a four month decline. But its all concentrated in residential = housing. Nonresidential construction fell to more than a six year low. = Expectations were for an overall 0.2% improvement. Overall unemployment rose slightly to 5.7% instead of the expected 5.8%. = Businesses cut 5,000 jobs in line with expectations of unchanged, with = service jobs again increasing while manufacturing jobs declining. = Personal savings rate also increased to 4.2% from 3.4%. Visa, Master = Charge and American Express better watch out, people might actually = start paying off their credit card balances instead of running them = higher. ------- WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES=20 This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. It = is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health of CANSLIM's = "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some stocks with = constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from = (and of course doing your own due diligence). I am employed in = Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is = strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views = or opinions of my employer. I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better, = and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout = scenario. I look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria, = focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all = industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my = personal investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings forecast = for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no = due diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM = patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases = (shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR = (Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM = pattern. Rarely are any of these stocks of interest to me for my = personal investing due size, price or industry group. I will note any = stocks in which I have a current personal financial interest. The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend is stable to = slightly improving. CAH - 2nd handle? CCCG - B3 CHCO - LLUR CHS - c&h? CPKI - high handle FESX - B5 GDW - double bottom IDXC - cup w/o handle KSWS - c&h MVL - c&h PCLE - c&h PFGC - c&h RKY - c&h SHFL - c&h STN - b/o Wed on over 3X ADV, within 5% of pivot SYMC - stealth b/o from the handle on below avg volume TSCO - b/o Friday on 2.5X ADV from a B3+ Happy hunting, and good luck, Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_001_075A_01C282A0.151BB1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
JAPAN
After weeks of waiting, the highly touted plan = to reform=20 the banks, and bring an eventual end to the combination of recession and = deflation, was trotted out. Unfortunately, Japan remains a toothless = tiger, and=20 will continue to drag on the world's economy for years to come. The = Nikkei had=20 been sagging, and threatening once again to fall under 8,000, as banks = feared=20 that Takenaka would deliver a strong and strict reform plan with full = govt=20 backing. Then, as it became obvious that he was running into political=20 opposition from his own party's old guard, the markets rallied, and even = briefly=20 climbed over 9,000. The plan as delivered is so watered down that it = pleases no=20 one, nor appears to change much at all from the present. The plans to = accelerate=20 write offs of bad loans now looks like it will not actually speed up the = process, and will take until 2004 or 2005 at least, and that's assuming = they=20 stop adding new defaulted loans as fast as they write off others, which = has been=20 the pattern for several years. The expectation that banks would be = required to=20 adhere to strict int'l accounting standards in identifying = non-performing loans=20 (which could triple the volume of bad loans from the official level of = about=20 $400 billion to well over $1.2 trillion) became instead mere guidance = and=20 encouragement. And the most controversial element, that of eliminating = by March=20 2003 the legal use of the "expectation" of a future tax refund = (resulting from=20 writing off bad loans also in the future) as part of the bank's = current=20 required capital reserve, was essentially eliminated entirely. This was=20 significant, since this would likely have put half the banks below = required=20 minimum capital requirements. New rules were established to require = greater=20 capital reserves on new loans that is more risk related, however it is = expected=20 that this will simply mean less capital available to small businesses. = And to=20 make matters worse, while Japan wallows in debt (135% of GDP, worst=20 industrialized nation in the world, $5.3 trillion), there are calls for = tax cuts=20 even while the collection of taxes falls well under the level needed by = the=20 govt. As of August, tax collection was running 19% under last year with = only 23%=20 of the full year target collected with 40% of the year already gone. The = govt is=20 pledged to "only" add a further 30 trillion yen in new debt to its load = this=20 year, but if this loss of tax revenue due to the dismal economy = persists, it=20 alone could increase this figure another 6 or 7 trillion yen. Any = supplemental=20 budget to either pump more money into the economy, or to infuse fresh = cash into=20 failing banks, or more tax cuts, will additionally increase the Japanese = national debt. The Japanese banking system, and economy, remains on the = path to=20 total meltdown and collapse. This was Prime Minister Koizumi's best, and = perhaps=20 last, chance to make a difference, and it didn't happen. The only hope = now is=20 that the global economy can recover so quickly and strongly that it can = drag=20 Japan's export based economy back into being a powerful engine of the = world=20 economy. That doesn't look likely to happen either, especially with = Japan having=20 to be carried on the backs of other nations.
"M"
While we somehow managed to hold on and get our = fourth=20 week of gains on every major index, this rally continues to look tired. = It still=20 is not clear to me if we are trying to do the second leg up of a double = bottom=20 "W" formation, or are stagnating in the right shoulder of a head and = shoulders=20 pattern. Volume remains boring, hovering around average. Volatility has = dropped,=20 as had VIX. We survived the earnings reporting cycle without significant = damage,=20 and even got a few decent forward looking forecasts. Several indexes = (Russell=20 2000, Naz 100, Naz Composite) are beginning to look more like continuing = the=20 rally while the rest appear to be stagnating in the h&s pattern. = Only time=20 will tell which will win out. I remain fully in cash in my margin acct, = but did=20 go so far as to get preclearance for buys of up to about a dozen tech = stocks,=20 just haven't executed any yet. Elections on Tuesday, and the Feds = meeting on Tue=20 and Wed, will likely affect the markets early in the week. And the only = question=20 with the Feds appears to be whether the long awaited cut will be 25 BP = or 50. A=20 quarter point cut is already priced into the Treasuries, so anything = less will=20 be a blow to the markets (my bet is on 25 BP). Consumer spending and = sentiment=20 is the worst so far this year. Significant economic and corporate profit = recovery appears now to have been postponed from the second half of this = year=20 until at least mid year 2003. While it may make some sense to nibble = around the=20 edges, and take some small or partial positions, "M" has still not = clearly=20 spoken, so keep your powder dry and your cash safe.
ECONOMICS
The steady rise in gas prices finally slowed = last week,=20 amid most major oil companies reporting lousy earnings for Q3. Where is = all the=20 money going? Crude has been steadily dropping as part of the Iraqi War = Premium=20 is stripped out, gas pump prices nonetheless went up, and oil company = profits=20 are falling. What am I missing? Is it just a lack of product volume=20 sales?
 
Chain store sales rose 1.4% during the first 3 = weeks of=20 October compared to September, attributed to cooler = weather.
 
The Conference Board reported that consumer = confidence=20 fell off the cliff in October, dropping to 79.4 from September's 93.7. = Fifth=20 straight monthly decline, well under expectations of 90, lowest since = Nov 1993.=20 Also biggest month to month decline since 9/11.
 
Employment Cost Index rose by 0.8% during Q3, = below=20 expectations of 1.0%, as businesses delayed or cancelled wage, salary or = benefits increases. Wages and salaries combined only grew by 0.5%, = smallest=20 increase since Q1 1999.
 
Weekly unemployment reports continue to paint a = picture of=20 a stagnant labor market, new claims rising to 410,000, above = expectations of=20 399K. Workers continuing on unemployment increased 76K to 3.6 million. = That's a=20 LOT of people out of work as Christmas approaches. Ouch!!
 
Good news, bad news. The preliminary Q3 report = of GDP=20 shows a rise to 3.1%, well above Q2's anemic 1.3%, but also well under=20 expectations of 3.6%. Consumer spending drove the numbers, up 4.2%, but = much of=20 that may have been early in the quarter, especially on new autos = (durable goods=20 including cars was up 22.7%) which appears to have topped out. One = hopeful sign=20 was business spending on equipment and software, rising at a 6.5% rate = and=20 strongest since Q2 2000 (remember the tech bubble??). CPI was up a = lethargic=20 1.4%, so inflation remains a non-event, much less a threat.
 
In a prelude to the nat'l survey, the Chicago = Assn of=20 Purchasing Managers index fell further and faster in October, down to = 45.9 from=20 48.1 in Sept. Expectations were for 49, so contraction was not only = expected, it=20 was worse than expected by a wide margin. The employment component of = this index=20 fell to 41.6 from 46.6, but prices paid rose to 62.0 from = 57.6.
 
Paralleling the Chicago report, the national = report from=20 ISM came in with a decline to 48.5% in October, down a full percent from = September and below expectations of 48.9%. The employment component rose = to 45=20 from 44.9, so got worse at a slightly marginally slower rate. On a = positive=20 note, the new orders component rose to 50.9 from 50.2, second monthly = rise and=20 keeping alive hopes for future improvements.
 
US Dollar remains top of the pile, despite = accounting=20 scandals, severe drops in the US markets, poor corporate earnings, fear = of=20 recession or war with Iraq, etc. The US dollar is off 12% against the = Euro so=20 far this year, and 7% against the yen. But the dollar still beats both = over the=20 past 4 years. The S&P500 is down 22% for the year, but France's = CAC40 is=20 down 26.6% and Germany's DAX is down 33.3%, and who's still counting the = NIKKEI=20 as it battles 19 year lows?
 
Consumer spending dropped 0.4% in September, = largest=20 decline in 10 months. Consumer income rose by the same 0.4%. Both were = weaker=20 than expectations of a negative 0.2% and a positive 0.5%=20 respectively.
 
The Longshoremen's Union and the Pacific = Maritime Assn=20 have apparently reached a tentative agreement over implementation of = technology.=20 While details are not out, maybe now productively can at least return to = prior=20 levels, if not exceed that.
 
Construction spending remains strong, up 0.6% in = September, and reversing a four month decline. But its all concentrated = in=20 residential housing. Nonresidential construction fell to more than a six = year=20 low. Expectations were for an overall 0.2% improvement.
 
Overall unemployment rose slightly to 5.7% = instead of the=20 expected 5.8%. Businesses cut 5,000 jobs in line with expectations of = unchanged,=20 with service jobs again increasing while manufacturing jobs declining. = Personal=20 savings rate also increased to 4.2% from 3.4%. Visa, Master Charge and = American=20 Express better watch out, people might actually start paying off their = credit=20 card balances instead of running them higher.
WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES =
This list is in no way intended to recommend any = stocks to=20 the group. It is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health = of=20 CANSLIM's "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some = stocks=20 with constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from (and of = course doing=20 your own due diligence). I am employed = in=20 Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is = strictly=20 my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views or = opinions of=20 my employer.
 
I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS = ranking of 80=20 or better, and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition = /=20 buyout scenario. I look at all charts that meet = this general RS/EPS=20 criteria, focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I = consider all=20 industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my = personal=20 investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings = forecast=20 for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no due diligence, that is your = responsibility. I will=20 note any CANSLIM patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) = bottoms, or=20 flat bases (shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also = note LLUR=20 (Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM = pattern. Rarely=20 are any of these stocks of interest to me for my personal investing due = size,=20 price or industry group. I will note any stocks in which I have a = current=20 personal financial interest.
 
The population of stocks I am reviewing this = weekend is=20 stable to slightly improving.
 
CAH - 2nd handle?
CCCG - B3
CHCO - LLUR
CHS - c&h?
CPKI - high handle
FESX - B5
GDW -  double bottom
IDXC - cup w/o handle
KSWS - c&h
MVL - c&h
PCLE - c&h
PFGC - c&h
RKY - c&h
SHFL - c&h
STN - b/o Wed on over 3X ADV, within 5% of pivot
SYMC - stealth b/o from the handle on below avg volume
TSCO - b/o Friday on 2.5X ADV from a B3+
 
Happy hunting, and good luck,
 
3D""
Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: = TexWorley
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Solarno" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA Date: 02 Nov 2002 19:20:39 -0500 I personally rely on the MACD histogram. I maintain a database of stocks gleaned from various sources (IBD, VectorVest.) As soon as I see any stock cross the zero line headed upwards, I pay VERY close attention for the next day or two and if it continues to climb with strong volume, I'm in. Conversely, as soon as the histogram starts heading back down towards zero, I unload. I have never managed to get the hang of the cup-with-handle formation. I don't have the mental discipline, I fear, for calculating pivot points and base depths. Don't misunderstand, I still look for those illusive cups, but I find a MACD histogram is easier to spot and, therefore, something I use more frequently. John -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:05 PM I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the group members use some other form of technical analysis besides the price volume chart action described by WON . Since the chart reading can be very subjective, do any of you use MACD cross overs, or Point and figure charts to confirm a breakout, or possible sell sign for a stock? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: PSmith7153@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA Date: 03 Nov 2002 09:04:39 EST John - Using a 20-50 Day MACD or the 20-100 Day MACD ? Thanks --paul - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] GTK Date: 03 Nov 2002 09:29:01 -0500 Hi Mike, I had noticed the gaming related groups starting to look better. Volume would be my primary concern, only avg on Thursday when it broke the flat base pivot, and half of avg on Friday as it moved higher. It is not a leader in its group, has high debt, virtually no management ownership (2%) and funds already own 20%. Insiders were selling eight times in past year with no buys, but that does not look excessive. Does appear on track for meeting full year forecasts of $2.21 earnings (up 57%), altho I hate non-standard fiscal years like this one (ends Feb). Both cash flow and ROE are huge, don't know why it doesn't use some of that cash flow to either pay off debt or pay a dividend. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:59 PM It looks like GTK might be breaking out of a fairly flat handle, but volume is still not confirming. Anyone have a thoughts one way or the other? thanks Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STTX - Too late? Date: 03 Nov 2002 09:35:33 -0500 Hi Kelly, This one first popped up on my radar screen under $10, but I couldn't get excited about it. Have kept shaking my head every time it showed up since. Even after doubling this year, trailing PE only 14. On the other hand, current forecasts are for only low double digit earnings growth the next two years. Based on past two qtrs, these forecasts would seem low, however. I missed an easy double on this one, because I didn't dig into it and find out why it was hitting new highs all the time. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:55 AM Any thoughts on STTX and whether the train ride is nearly over or if it will continue its LLUR movement? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-canslim@xmission.com (Jeff Salisbury) Subject: [CANSLIM] Accessing the discussion canslim archives... Date: 03 Nov 2002 08:00:00 -0700 From time to time, CANSLIM members may wish to browse the discussion archives. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] my first charts Date: 03 Nov 2002 10:21:23 -0500 Robin, sorry for the delayed response, my weeks seem only to get longer and more tiring. And thanks for the intro, wow, a three year lurker finally coming forward, I think that could be a new record, anyone else want to beat it?? Some quick comments at least BSTE - strange chart, kinda a c&h, but a pretty long and drooping handle, excellent fundies and growth top and bottom line, and forecast to continue that way for another year. Funds already own 33% however. EXPD - I like to see at least 20% earnings forecast FCBP - I don't see this as LLUR, too ranging of a chart. HLYW - agree on all points, this is the kind of company that benefits both from the aging population, as well as present economy. Even if the economy starts to improve, I would think it would help more than hurt ROOM - on the %age ownership, Management is taken as of the total issue, while funds and banks are of the float, so the figures cannot be added together. Yes, the bottom of the cup is deeper than desired, on the other hand the run up to 70 was from an exaggerated low resulting from 9/11. Fundies and growth top and bottom are good, altho margins appear volatile and hard to predict. Ads I have seen on TV look effective, but you can better judge the marketing effectiveness. ORLY - look at it on a weekly chart, it is in a steady decline, confirmed by the trend of both the 50 and 200 dma lines, and now by the RS as well. PPDI - Group RS improved to 61, so puts it into the bottom of the "B" group, certainly worth watching for a break over the pivot in the handle SHFL - Management only owns 4%, but their last four transactions shown were buys (May - July) and at an excellent price. UPOX - I am assuming you mean UOPX, Group RS now at 81, so into the low "A" category, one of the reasons why I disregard group rankings in doing my screens, I actually like finding pretty charts on companies still in the Group "E" category. AMGP - last two quarters poor earnings on higher revenues would kick this one off my radar immediately, also I don't like companies public for less than 12 months Good luck, ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:06 PM FOA... Thanks for all the input on resources. Was much appreciated. I'm listing some charts below that appear to my novice eye as being of interest. This is only based on what I can see from the charts (... and I'm not putting ANY of my money into ANYTHING based on those nascent skills at this point...) But since there isn't a lot of traffic on the board, I figured I might as well put them out there if only to get reasons why they aren't good candidates... BSTE Biosite GROUP RS 90, EPS Rank 75 (not great) B/B/A, 31%F/15%M (would prefer M to be higher) Looks to me like a cup trying to make a handle. >50%+ on last run. Volume dried up on handle and then almost hit pivot point. EXPD Expeditors Is this a cup? +20% on last advance. 28.3% between L and bottom of base. EPS 88, RS 86 B/B/A. The Group RS is 50 (Not sure how much I should care about that...) and Mgmt only owns 5%, with F at 33%. But it looks to me like it's forming a nice R to the cup. FCBP I think this is an LLUR. Don't know what to do with those yet. But with Group RS 95, EPS 88, A/B/A, RS of 90, Mgmnt 36% with continued insider acquisitions I thought it was worth a look. Now if I can just figure out if that's a really, really, really long handle..... HLYW Hollywood Entertainment A cup that I think is now trying to make a handle. +20% on last run. Above 200DMA. Volume drying up on handle. Group RS 85, A/A 12%M and 30%F. EPS Rank 80. I think I should like this one. ROOM Hotels.com Cup. B/B/A, EPS 96, Growth +166%. Mgmnt 49% & Funds 46%. RS increasing, 59.4% on last major runup. Should I be concerned that base is 49% below L on cup and Group RS is 53? Also... According the DGO chart I'm looking at... Funds have 46%, Banks 10%, and Mgmt 49%... Okay, I know I'm only a marketing guy but doesn't that make the pie a little too big? ORLY I like this one two weeks ago. It had a cup then... I promise... But what is it now the handle seems to have gone all funky? Group RS 91, B/B/A EPS 95 PPDI Cup consolidating into handle? Fundamentals look good to me except that pesky group RS thing again (34%) Should that be enough to knock out a stock that is otherwise A/B/A, EPS 99% and a 32% growth rate? SHFL Cup making handle. A/A/A, 91EPS and RS95. Group RS 80. But management only owns 4%. UPOX Cup with handle trying to break pivot. A/A/A 99EPS. RS95 but declining a little bit. Concerns - Group RS of 53 (DGO should really leave this number out of their charts... it keeps messing up my otherwise nice investment options....) and only 2% Management. AMGP Cup with handle? Group RS 98, EPS 81, A/B/A F34% M42%, Volume was declining in handle, good growth, nice run up before L of cup. Any comments (except 'what are u smoking?') would be very much appreciated. And finally... not to be rude, since this is my first real post, a brief introduction. Been in marketing for 18 years, but have an Economics and Accounting background. Cut my teeth at Apple Computer with the launch of the Macintosh. Now with a media wholesaler. My investing has been limited to watching my Fidelity 401K funds get smaller. In addition to HTMMIS also read Grahams Value Investing book and Murphy's Technical Analysis (which I slept through twice and STILL can't get the study guide questions right....) Have bitten the bullet and subscribed to IBD, 'though I still prefer WSJ for non-chart content. I like bicycles, lawn gnomes and long walks on the beach, and have lurked on this board for almost 3 years now. Robin - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "MARC FOURNIER" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 03 Nov 2002 10:53:20 -0200 --=====_103632800017133=_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====_103632800027419=_" --=====_103632800027419=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What is llur b3+ b3 b5 Please advise Marc *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/2/2002 at 6:45 PM Tom Worley wrote: JAPAN After weeks of waiting, the highly touted plan to reform the banks, and= bring an eventual end to the combination of recession and deflation, was= trotted out. Unfortunately, Japan remains a toothless tiger, and will= continue to drag on the world's economy for years to come. The Nikkei had= been sagging, and threatening once again to fall under 8,000, as banks= feared that Takenaka would deliver a strong and strict reform plan with= full govt backing. Then, as it became obvious that he was running into= political opposition from his own party's old guard, the markets rallied,= and even briefly climbed over 9,000. The plan as delivered is so watered= down that it pleases no one, nor appears to change much at all from the= present. The plans to accelerate write offs of bad loans now looks like it= will not actually speed up the process, and will take until 2004 or 2005= at least, and that's assuming they stop adding new defaulted loans as fast= as they write off others, which has been the pattern for several years.= The expectation that banks would be required to adhere to strict int'l= accounting standards in identifying non-performing loans (which could= triple the volume of bad loans from the official level of about $400= billion to well over $1.2 trillion) became instead mere guidance and= encouragement. And the most controversial element, that of eliminating by= March 2003 the legal use of the "expectation" of a future tax refund= (resulting from writing off bad loans also in the future) as part of the= bank's current required capital reserve, was essentially eliminated= entirely. This was significant, since this would likely have put half the= banks below required minimum capital requirements. New rules were= established to require greater capital reserves on new loans that is more= risk related, however it is expected that this will simply mean less= capital available to small businesses. And to make matters worse, while= Japan wallows in debt (135% of GDP, worst industrialized nation in the= world, $5.3 trillion), there are calls for tax cuts even while the= collection of taxes falls well under the level needed by the govt. As of= August, tax collection was running 19% under last year with only 23% of= the full year target collected with 40% of the year already gone. The govt= is pledged to "only" add a further 30 trillion yen in new debt to its load= this year, but if this loss of tax revenue due to the dismal economy= persists, it alone could increase this figure another 6 or 7 trillion yen.= Any supplemental budget to either pump more money into the economy, or to= infuse fresh cash into failing banks, or more tax cuts, will additionally= increase the Japanese national debt. The Japanese banking system, and= economy, remains on the path to total meltdown and collapse. This was= Prime Minister Koizumi's best, and perhaps last, chance to make a= difference, and it didn't happen. The only hope now is that the global= economy can recover so quickly and strongly that it can drag Japan's= export based economy back into being a powerful engine of the world= economy. That doesn't look likely to happen either, especially with Japan= having to be carried on the backs of other nations. "M" While we somehow managed to hold on and get our fourth week of gains on= every major index, this rally continues to look tired. It still is not= clear to me if we are trying to do the second leg up of a double bottom= "W" formation, or are stagnating in the right shoulder of a head and= shoulders pattern. Volume remains boring, hovering around average.= Volatility has dropped, as had VIX. We survived the earnings reporting= cycle without significant damage, and even got a few decent forward= looking forecasts. Several indexes (Russell 2000, Naz 100, Naz Composite)= are beginning to look more like continuing the rally while the rest appear= to be stagnating in the h&s pattern. Only time will tell which will win= out. I remain fully in cash in my margin acct, but did go so far as to get= preclearance for buys of up to about a dozen tech stocks, just haven't= executed any yet. Elections on Tuesday, and the Feds meeting on Tue and= Wed, will likely affect the markets early in the week. And the only= question with the Feds appears to be whether the long awaited cut will be= 25 BP or 50. A quarter point cut is already priced into the Treasuries, so= anything less will be a blow to the markets (my bet is on 25 BP). Consumer= spending and sentiment is the worst so far this year. Significant economic= and corporate profit recovery appears now to have been postponed from the= second half of this year until at least mid year 2003. While it may make= some sense to nibble around the edges, and take some small or partial= positions, "M" has still not clearly spoken, so keep your powder dry and= your cash safe. ECONOMICS The steady rise in gas prices finally slowed last week, amid most major oil= companies reporting lousy earnings for Q3. Where is all the money going?= Crude has been steadily dropping as part of the Iraqi War Premium is= stripped out, gas pump prices nonetheless went up, and oil company profits= are falling. What am I missing? Is it just a lack of product volume sales? Chain store sales rose 1.4% during the first 3 weeks of October compared to= September, attributed to cooler weather. The Conference Board reported that consumer confidence fell off the cliff= in October, dropping to 79.4 from September's 93.7. Fifth straight monthly= decline, well under expectations of 90, lowest since Nov 1993. Also= biggest month to month decline since 9/11. Employment Cost Index rose by 0.8% during Q3, below expectations of 1.0%,= as businesses delayed or cancelled wage, salary or benefits increases.= Wages and salaries combined only grew by 0.5%, smallest increase since Q1= 1999. Weekly unemployment reports continue to paint a picture of a stagnant labor= market, new claims rising to 410,000, above expectations of 399K. Workers= continuing on unemployment increased 76K to 3.6 million. That's a LOT of= people out of work as Christmas approaches. Ouch!! Good news, bad news. The preliminary Q3 report of GDP shows a rise to 3.1%,= well above Q2's anemic 1.3%, but also well under expectations of 3.6%.= Consumer spending drove the numbers, up 4.2%, but much of that may have= been early in the quarter, especially on new autos (durable goods= including cars was up 22.7%) which appears to have topped out. One hopeful= sign was business spending on equipment and software, rising at a 6.5%= rate and strongest since Q2 2000 (remember the tech bubble??). CPI was up= a lethargic 1.4%, so inflation remains a non-event, much less a threat. In a prelude to the nat'l survey, the Chicago Assn of Purchasing Managers= index fell further and faster in October, down to 45.9 from 48.1 in Sept.= Expectations were for 49, so contraction was not only expected, it was= worse than expected by a wide margin. The employment component of this= index fell to 41.6 from 46.6, but prices paid rose to 62.0 from 57.6. Paralleling the Chicago report, the national report from ISM came in with a= decline to 48.5% in October, down a full percent from September and below= expectations of 48.9%. The employment component rose to 45 from 44.9, so= got worse at a slightly marginally slower rate. On a positive note, the= new orders component rose to 50.9 from 50.2, second monthly rise and= keeping alive hopes for future improvements. US Dollar remains top of the pile, despite accounting scandals, severe= drops in the US markets, poor corporate earnings, fear of recession or war= with Iraq, etc. The US dollar is off 12% against the Euro so far this= year, and 7% against the yen. But the dollar still beats both over the= past 4 years. The S&P500 is down 22% for the year, but France's CAC40 is= down 26.6% and Germany's DAX is down 33.3%, and who's still counting the= NIKKEI as it battles 19 year lows? Consumer spending dropped 0.4% in September, largest decline in 10 months.= Consumer income rose by the same 0.4%. Both were weaker than expectations= of a negative 0.2% and a positive 0.5% respectively. The Longshoremen's Union and the Pacific Maritime Assn have apparently= reached a tentative agreement over implementation of technology. While= details are not out, maybe now productively can at least return to prior= levels, if not exceed that. Construction spending remains strong, up 0.6% in September, and reversing a= four month decline. But its all concentrated in residential housing.= Nonresidential construction fell to more than a six year low. Expectations= were for an overall 0.2% improvement. Overall unemployment rose slightly to 5.7% instead of the expected 5.8%.= Businesses cut 5,000 jobs in line with expectations of unchanged, with= service jobs again increasing while manufacturing jobs declining. Personal= savings rate also increased to 4.2% from 3.4%. Visa, Master Charge and= American Express better watch out, people might actually start paying off= their credit card balances instead of running them higher. WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. It is= a part of my regular personal assessment of the health of CANSLIM's "M"= and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some stocks with= constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from= (and of course doing your own due diligence). I am employed in Operations= by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is strictly my= own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views or opinions= of my employer. I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better, and= try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout= scenario. I look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria,= focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all= industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my personal= investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings forecast for this= year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no due= diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM patterns I= see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases (shown as Bx= where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR (Lower Left Upper= Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM pattern. Rarely are any of= these stocks of interest to me for my personal investing due size, price= or industry group. I will note any stocks in which I have a current= personal financial interest. The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend is stable to slightly= improving. CAH - 2nd handle? CCCG - B3 CHCO - LLUR CHS - c&h? CPKI - high handle FESX - B5 GDW - double bottom IDXC - cup w/o handle KSWS - c&h MVL - c&h PCLE - c&h PFGC - c&h RKY - c&h SHFL - c&h STN - b/o Wed on over 3X ADV, within 5% of pivot SYMC - stealth b/o from the handle on below avg volume TSCO - b/o Friday on 2.5X ADV from a B3+ Happy hunting, and good luck, Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley Marc Fournier Marcf@erols.com --=====_103632800027419=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
What is llur b3+ b3 b5 
 
Please advise
 
Marc
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On 11/2/2002 at 6:45 PM Tom Worley wrote:
JAPAN
After weeks of waiting, the highly touted plan to reform the banks, and bring an eventual end to the combination of recession and deflation, was trotted out. Unfortunately, Japan remains a toothless tiger, and will continue to drag on the world's economy for years to come. The Nikkei had been sagging, and threatening once again to fall under 8,000, as banks feared that Takenaka would deliver a strong and strict reform plan with full govt backing. Then, as it became obvious that he was running into political opposition from his own party's old guard, the markets rallied, and even briefly climbed over 9,000. The plan as delivered is so watered down that it pleases no one, nor appears to change much at all from the present. The plans to accelerate write offs of bad loans now looks like it will not actually speed up the process, and will take until 2004 or 2005 at least, and that's assuming they stop adding new defaulted loans as fast as they write off others, which has been the pattern for several years. The expectation that banks would be required to adhere to strict int'l accounting standards in identifying non-performing loans (which could triple the volume of bad loans from the official level of about $400 billion to well over $1.2 trillion) became instead mere guidance and encouragement. And the most controversial element, that of eliminating by March 2003 the legal use of the "expectation" of a future tax refund (resulting from writing off bad loans also in the future) as part of the bank's current required capital reserve, was essentially eliminated entirely. This was significant, since this would likely have put half the banks below required minimum capital requirements. New rules were established to require greater capital reserves on new loans that is more risk related, however it is expected that this will simply mean less capital available to small businesses. And to make matters worse, while Japan wallows in debt (135% of GDP, worst industrialized nation in the world, $5.3 trillion), there are calls for tax cuts even while the collection of taxes falls well under the level needed by the govt. As of August, tax collection was running 19% under last year with only 23% of the full year target collected with 40% of the year already gone. The govt is pledged to "only" add a further 30 trillion yen in new debt to its load this year, but if this loss of tax revenue due to the dismal economy persists, it alone could increase this figure another 6 or 7 trillion yen. Any supplemental budget to either pump more money into the economy, or to infuse fresh cash into failing banks, or more tax cuts, will additionally increase the Japanese national debt. The Japanese banking system, and economy, remains on the path to total meltdown and collapse. This was Prime Minister Koizumi's best, and perhaps last, chance to make a difference, and it didn't happen. The only hope now is that the global economy can recover so quickly and strongly that it can drag Japan's export based economy back into being a powerful engine of the world economy. That doesn't look likely to happen either, especially with Japan having to be carried on the backs of other nations.
"M"
While we somehow managed to hold on and get our fourth week of gains on every major index, this rally continues to look tired. It still is not clear to me if we are trying to do the second leg up of a double bottom "W" formation, or are stagnating in the right shoulder of a head and shoulders pattern. Volume remains boring, hovering around average. Volatility has dropped, as had VIX. We survived the earnings reporting cycle without significant damage, and even got a few decent forward looking forecasts. Several indexes (Russell 2000, Naz 100, Naz Composite) are beginning to look more like continuing the rally while the rest appear to be stagnating in the h&s pattern. Only time will tell which will win out. I remain fully in cash in my margin acct, but did go so far as to get preclearance for buys of up to about a dozen tech stocks, just haven't executed any yet. Elections on Tuesday, and the Feds meeting on Tue and Wed, will likely affect the markets early in the week. And the only question with the Feds appears to be whether the long awaited cut will be 25 BP or 50. A quarter point cut is already priced into the Treasuries, so anything less will be a blow to the markets (my bet is on 25 BP). Consumer spending and sentiment is the worst so far this year. Significant economic and corporate profit recovery appears now to have been postponed from the second half of this year until at least mid year 2003. While it may make some sense to nibble around the edges, and take some small or partial positions, "M" has still not clearly spoken, so keep your powder dry and your cash safe.
ECONOMICS
The steady rise in gas prices finally slowed last week, amid most major oil companies reporting lousy earnings for Q3. Where is all the money going? Crude has been steadily dropping as part of the Iraqi War Premium is stripped out, gas pump prices nonetheless went up, and oil company profits are falling. What am I missing? Is it just a lack of product volume sales?
 
Chain store sales rose 1.4% during the first 3 weeks of October compared to September, attributed to cooler weather.
 
The Conference Board reported that consumer confidence fell off the cliff in October, dropping to 79.4 from September's 93.7. Fifth straight monthly decline, well under expectations of 90, lowest since Nov 1993. Also biggest month to month decline since 9/11.
 
Employment Cost Index rose by 0.8% during Q3, below expectations of 1.0%, as businesses delayed or cancelled wage, salary or benefits increases. Wages and salaries combined only grew by 0.5%, smallest increase since Q1 1999.
 
Weekly unemployment reports continue to paint a picture of a stagnant labor market, new claims rising to 410,000, above expectations of 399K. Workers continuing on unemployment increased 76K to 3.6 million. That's a LOT of people out of work as Christmas approaches. Ouch!!
 
Good news, bad news. The preliminary Q3 report of GDP shows a rise to 3.1%, well above Q2's anemic 1.3%, but also well under expectations of 3.6%. Consumer spending drove the numbers, up 4.2%, but much of that may have been early in the quarter, especially on new autos (durable goods including cars was up 22.7%) which appears to have topped out. One hopeful sign was business spending on equipment and software, rising at a 6.5% rate and strongest since Q2 2000 (remember the tech bubble??). CPI was up a lethargic 1.4%, so inflation remains a non-event, much less a threat.
 
In a prelude to the nat'l survey, the Chicago Assn of Purchasing Managers index fell further and faster in October, down to 45.9 from 48.1 in Sept. Expectations were for 49, so contraction was not only expected, it was worse than expected by a wide margin. The employment component of this index fell to 41.6 from 46.6, but prices paid rose to 62.0 from 57.6.
 
Paralleling the Chicago report, the national report from ISM came in with a decline to 48.5% in October, down a full percent from September and below expectations of 48.9%. The employment component rose to 45 from 44.9, so got worse at a slightly marginally slower rate. On a positive note, the new orders component rose to 50.9 from 50.2, second monthly rise and keeping alive hopes for future improvements.
 
US Dollar remains top of the pile, despite accounting scandals, severe drops in the US markets, poor corporate earnings, fear of recession or war with Iraq, etc. The US dollar is off 12% against the Euro so far this year, and 7% against the yen. But the dollar still beats both over the past 4 years. The S&P500 is down 22% for the year, but France's CAC40 is down 26.6% and Germany's DAX is down 33.3%, and who's still counting the NIKKEI as it battles 19 year lows?
 
Consumer spending dropped 0.4% in September, largest decline in 10 months. Consumer income rose by the same 0.4%. Both were weaker than expectations of a negative 0.2% and a positive 0.5% respectively.
 
The Longshoremen's Union and the Pacific Maritime Assn have apparently reached a tentative agreement over implementation of technology. While details are not out, maybe now productively can at least return to prior levels, if not exceed that.
 
Construction spending remains strong, up 0.6% in September, and reversing a four month decline. But its all concentrated in residential housing. Nonresidential construction fell to more than a six year low. Expectations were for an overall 0.2% improvement.
 
Overall unemployment rose slightly to 5.7% instead of the expected 5.8%. Businesses cut 5,000 jobs in line with expectations of unchanged, with service jobs again increasing while manufacturing jobs declining. Personal savings rate also increased to 4.2% from 3.4%. Visa, Master Charge and American Express better watch out, people might actually start paying off their credit card balances instead of running them higher.
WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES
This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. It is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health of CANSLIM's "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some stocks with constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from (and of course doing your own due diligence). I am employed in Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views or opinions of my employer.
 
I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better, and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout scenario. I look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria, focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my personal investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings forecast for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no due diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases (shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR (Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM pattern. Rarely are any of these stocks of interest to me for my personal investing due size, price or industry group. I will note any stocks in which I have a current personal financial interest.
 
The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend is stable to slightly improving.
 
CAH - 2nd handle?
CCCG - B3
CHCO - LLUR
CHS - c&h?
CPKI - high handle
FESX - B5
GDW -  double bottom
IDXC - cup w/o handle
KSWS - c&h
MVL - c&h
PCLE - c&h
PFGC - c&h
RKY - c&h
SHFL - c&h
STN - b/o Wed on over 3X ADV, within 5% of pivot
SYMC - stealth b/o from the handle on below avg volume
TSCO - b/o Friday on 2.5X ADV from a B3+
 
Happy hunting, and good luck,
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: TexWorley

 
 
Marc Fournier
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STTX - Too late? Date: 03 Nov 2002 10:10:34 -0600 Kelly, I agree with your LLUR view point. I think it is still buyable as such. This last little dip has been on low vol which is preferable IMO, but needs to drop a couple of dollars more. As for future earnings, unless something changes, it looks like next year will be hard pressed to top this year. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 8:35 AM > Hi Kelly, > > This one first popped up on my radar screen under $10, but I couldn't get > excited about it. Have kept shaking my head every time it showed up since. > Even after doubling this year, trailing PE only 14. On the other hand, > current forecasts are for only low double digit earnings growth the next two > years. Based on past two qtrs, these forecasts would seem low, however. > > I missed an easy double on this one, because I didn't dig into it and find > out why it was hitting new highs all the time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Short" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:55 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] STTX - Too late? > > > Any thoughts on STTX and whether the train ride is nearly over or if it will > continue its LLUR movement? > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 03 Nov 2002 11:29:39 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010B_01C2832C.4BAFB040 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_010C_01C2832C.4BAFB040" ------=_NextPart_001_010C_01C2832C.4BAFB040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marc, please read the boiler plate explanation in the paragraph = preceding the list of stocks (I marked it in bold Lime) ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:53 AM What is llur b3+ b3 b5 =20 Please advise Marc *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/2/2002 at 6:45 PM Tom Worley wrote: ----- WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES=20 This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. = It is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health of = CANSLIM's "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some = stocks with constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and = learning from (and of course doing your own due diligence). I am = employed in Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything = presented by me is strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken = to reflect the views or opinions of my employer. I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better, = and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout = scenario. I look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria, = focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all = industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my = personal investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings forecast = for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no = due diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM = patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases = (shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR = (Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM = pattern. Rarely are any of these stocks of interest to me for my = personal investing due size, price or industry group. I will note any = stocks in which I have a current personal financial interest. The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend is stable to = slightly improving. CAH - 2nd handle? CCCG - B3 CHCO - LLUR CHS - c&h? CPKI - high handle FESX - B5 GDW - double bottom IDXC - cup w/o handle KSWS - c&h MVL - c&h PCLE - c&h PFGC - c&h RKY - c&h SHFL - c&h STN - b/o Wed on over 3X ADV, within 5% of pivot SYMC - stealth b/o from the handle on below avg volume TSCO - b/o Friday on 2.5X ADV from a B3+ Happy hunting, and good luck, Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley Marc Fournier Marcf@erols.com ------=_NextPart_001_010C_01C2832C.4BAFB040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Marc, please read the boiler plate explanation in the paragraph = preceding=20 the list of stocks (I marked it in bold Lime)
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: MARC = FOURNIER
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview

What is llur b3+ b3 b5 
 
Please advise
 
Marc
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR=20 ***********

On 11/2/2002 at 6:45 PM Tom Worley = wrote:
WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES =
This list is in no way intended to recommend = any stocks=20 to the group. It is a part of my regular personal assessment of the = health of=20 CANSLIM's "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some = stocks=20 with constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from (and of = course doing=20 your own due diligence). I am = employed in=20 Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me = is=20 strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the = views or=20 opinions of my employer.
 
I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS = ranking of=20 80 or better, and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / = acquisition /=20 buyout scenario. I look at all charts that meet = this general RS/EPS=20 criteria, focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I = consider all=20 industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my = personal=20 investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings = forecast=20 for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no due diligence, that is your = responsibility. I=20 will note any CANSLIM patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or = triple)=20 bottoms, or flat bases (shown = as Bx where=20 "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note = LLUR (Lower Left Upper Right) = even though=20 it is not exactly a CANSLIM pattern. Rarely are any of these stocks of = interest to me for my personal investing due size, price or industry = group. I=20 will note any stocks in which I have a current personal financial=20 interest.
 
The population of stocks I am reviewing this = weekend is=20 stable to slightly improving.
 
CAH - 2nd handle?
CCCG - B3
CHCO - LLUR
CHS - c&h?
CPKI - high handle
FESX - B5
GDW -  double bottom
IDXC - cup w/o handle
KSWS - c&h
MVL - c&h
PCLE - c&h
PFGC - c&h
RKY - c&h
SHFL - c&h
STN - b/o Wed on over 3X ADV, within 5% of pivot
SYMC - stealth b/o from the handle on below avg volume
TSCO - b/o Friday on 2.5X ADV from a B3+
 
Happy hunting, and good = luck,
 
3D""
Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley

 
 
Marc Fournier
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Solarno" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA Date: 03 Nov 2002 15:19:06 -0500 Actually, I use a 12-26 day MACD. Given the volatility of the market these days, I find that's the maximum amount of time I can keep my hands gripped to the side of my chair before my knuckles turn white. John. -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of PSmith7153@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:05 AM John - Using a 20-50 Day MACD or the 20-100 Day MACD ? Thanks --paul - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: Funds Date: 03 Nov 2002 21:26:14 EST Tom: What do you make of a stock where the DG-Online stat. for funds is "NA". I'm looking at SMD, and it has nice aggregate number for mgt. which is holding the stock (39%); the weekly chart looks like I'd want to watch it; earnings are very nice as is cash flow; it has no debt and ROE is a spectacular 59%. However, not knowing how many funds are holding the stock gives me pause. How do you analyze a stock when the everything else seems nice, but funds say "NA"? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: Funds Date: 03 Nov 2002 21:33:51 -0500 I would write DGO and ask them about that specific stock and its funds ownership. In some cases the NA may mean they don't have current data, in other cases it may mean that funds ownership is less than 1% ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:26 PM Tom: What do you make of a stock where the DG-Online stat. for funds is "NA". I'm looking at SMD, and it has nice aggregate number for mgt. which is holding the stock (39%); the weekly chart looks like I'd want to watch it; earnings are very nice as is cash flow; it has no debt and ROE is a spectacular 59%. However, not knowing how many funds are holding the stock gives me pause. How do you analyze a stock when the everything else seems nice, but funds say "NA"? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robin Gridley" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] my first charts Date: 03 Nov 2002 19:44:58 -0800 I actually got kicked off the last after year two of lurking... probably 'cause I wasn't contributing anything... The list postings just sortta stopped showing up! Guess that's what I get for being slow.... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:21 AM Robin, sorry for the delayed response, my weeks seem only to get longer and more tiring. And thanks for the intro, wow, a three year lurker finally coming forward, I think that could be a new record, anyone else want to beat it?? Some quick comments at least BSTE - strange chart, kinda a c&h, but a pretty long and drooping handle, excellent fundies and growth top and bottom line, and forecast to continue that way for another year. Funds already own 33% however. EXPD - I like to see at least 20% earnings forecast FCBP - I don't see this as LLUR, too ranging of a chart. HLYW - agree on all points, this is the kind of company that benefits both from the aging population, as well as present economy. Even if the economy starts to improve, I would think it would help more than hurt ROOM - on the %age ownership, Management is taken as of the total issue, while funds and banks are of the float, so the figures cannot be added together. Yes, the bottom of the cup is deeper than desired, on the other hand the run up to 70 was from an exaggerated low resulting from 9/11. Fundies and growth top and bottom are good, altho margins appear volatile and hard to predict. Ads I have seen on TV look effective, but you can better judge the marketing effectiveness. ORLY - look at it on a weekly chart, it is in a steady decline, confirmed by the trend of both the 50 and 200 dma lines, and now by the RS as well. PPDI - Group RS improved to 61, so puts it into the bottom of the "B" group, certainly worth watching for a break over the pivot in the handle SHFL - Management only owns 4%, but their last four transactions shown were buys (May - July) and at an excellent price. UPOX - I am assuming you mean UOPX, Group RS now at 81, so into the low "A" category, one of the reasons why I disregard group rankings in doing my screens, I actually like finding pretty charts on companies still in the Group "E" category. AMGP - last two quarters poor earnings on higher revenues would kick this one off my radar immediately, also I don't like companies public for less than 12 months Good luck, ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:06 PM FOA... Thanks for all the input on resources. Was much appreciated. I'm listing some charts below that appear to my novice eye as being of interest. This is only based on what I can see from the charts (... and I'm not putting ANY of my money into ANYTHING based on those nascent skills at this point...) But since there isn't a lot of traffic on the board, I figured I might as well put them out there if only to get reasons why they aren't good candidates... BSTE Biosite GROUP RS 90, EPS Rank 75 (not great) B/B/A, 31%F/15%M (would prefer M to be higher) Looks to me like a cup trying to make a handle. >50%+ on last run. Volume dried up on handle and then almost hit pivot point. EXPD Expeditors Is this a cup? +20% on last advance. 28.3% between L and bottom of base. EPS 88, RS 86 B/B/A. The Group RS is 50 (Not sure how much I should care about that...) and Mgmt only owns 5%, with F at 33%. But it looks to me like it's forming a nice R to the cup. FCBP I think this is an LLUR. Don't know what to do with those yet. But with Group RS 95, EPS 88, A/B/A, RS of 90, Mgmnt 36% with continued insider acquisitions I thought it was worth a look. Now if I can just figure out if that's a really, really, really long handle..... HLYW Hollywood Entertainment A cup that I think is now trying to make a handle. +20% on last run. Above 200DMA. Volume drying up on handle. Group RS 85, A/A 12%M and 30%F. EPS Rank 80. I think I should like this one. ROOM Hotels.com Cup. B/B/A, EPS 96, Growth +166%. Mgmnt 49% & Funds 46%. RS increasing, 59.4% on last major runup. Should I be concerned that base is 49% below L on cup and Group RS is 53? Also... According the DGO chart I'm looking at... Funds have 46%, Banks 10%, and Mgmt 49%... Okay, I know I'm only a marketing guy but doesn't that make the pie a little too big? ORLY I like this one two weeks ago. It had a cup then... I promise... But what is it now the handle seems to have gone all funky? Group RS 91, B/B/A EPS 95 PPDI Cup consolidating into handle? Fundamentals look good to me except that pesky group RS thing again (34%) Should that be enough to knock out a stock that is otherwise A/B/A, EPS 99% and a 32% growth rate? SHFL Cup making handle. A/A/A, 91EPS and RS95. Group RS 80. But management only owns 4%. UPOX Cup with handle trying to break pivot. A/A/A 99EPS. RS95 but declining a little bit. Concerns - Group RS of 53 (DGO should really leave this number out of their charts... it keeps messing up my otherwise nice investment options....) and only 2% Management. AMGP Cup with handle? Group RS 98, EPS 81, A/B/A F34% M42%, Volume was declining in handle, good growth, nice run up before L of cup. Any comments (except 'what are u smoking?') would be very much appreciated. And finally... not to be rude, since this is my first real post, a brief introduction. Been in marketing for 18 years, but have an Economics and Accounting background. Cut my teeth at Apple Computer with the launch of the Macintosh. Now with a media wholesaler. My investing has been limited to watching my Fidelity 401K funds get smaller. In addition to HTMMIS also read Grahams Value Investing book and Murphy's Technical Analysis (which I slept through twice and STILL can't get the study guide questions right....) Have bitten the bullet and subscribed to IBD, 'though I still prefer WSJ for non-chart content. I like bicycles, lawn gnomes and long walks on the beach, and have lurked on this board for almost 3 years now. Robin - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robin Gridley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Gaps Date: 03 Nov 2002 19:46:54 -0800 In reviewing some of my other notes, I wondered how much credence I should give to breakaway or measuring gaps in determining the strength of the sides of the cups (especially the right side.) If the right side shows distinct breakaway gap from the base and a mid-point runaway gap, does that speak well for the strength of the overall accumulation or is it irrelevant in the C&H pattern? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM List FAQ (Monthly Posting) Date: 04 Nov 2002 05:15:02 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_2A03_01C283C1.210AFC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This FAQ is also available at: = http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc =20 Scope of discussion, Etiquette:=20 Here are a couple of quotes from the welcome email that Jeff Salisbury, = the list owner and host, sends to each new member: "This is an unmoderated discussion group whose purpose is to provide a = forum for individuals to:=20 1.. Discuss the ideas and concepts of CANSLIM.=20 2.. Add to the concepts of CANSLIM from personal experience.=20 3.. Exchange sources of information on the internet and software that = can be used to select stocks using the CANSLIM methodology.=20 4.. Discuss specific equities and how they may or may not meet the = CANSLIM criteria. " "Anyone who resorts to rudeness, flaming, and personal attacks will be = removed from our group."=20 "By signing up for this list, you agree to the following: This list is = a private list. All information that you take from this list is for = your private use only. Commercial use of this information is = forbidden." Commonly used (misc) abbreviations: BO or B/O =3D Breakout DD=3D Due Diligence dMA =3D days Moving Average (a simple moving average unless otherwise = specified) FTD =3D Follow Through Day http://www.market-tester.com/primer.htm HTMMIS =3D "How to Make Money in Stocks" by William J. O'Neil IBD =3D Investors Business Daily (www.investors.com) IMHO =3D In My Humble Opinion sometimes used as IMO or JMO or my $0.02 LOL =3D Laughing Out Loud M =3D Market ( the "M" in CANSLIM) MA =3D Moving Average N =3D New (the "N" in CANSLIM) VR =3D Virtual Reality fund WON =3D William O'Neil, originator of CANSLIM IBD/CANSLIM Proprietary Rankings: A/D =3D Accumulation/Distribution EPS =3D Earnings per Share Rank GRS =3D Group Relative Strength RS =3D Relative Strength SMR =3D Sales/Margins/ROE Comp =3D Composite Ranking Accounting/Finance Abbreviations: BS or B/S =3D Balance Sheet cflo =3D Cash Flow D/E =3D Debt to Equity IS or I/S =3D Income Statement PE or P/E =3D Price to Earnings ratio Pro Forma earnings =3D http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/proforma12-4.htm =20 Accounting 101: http://uoutperform.com/New_Folder/fundamental_analysis.htm http://www.investopedia.com/university/fundamentalanalysis/ http://www.WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/Accounting101.doc =20 Commonly discussed technical patterns: 2B=3DDouble Bottoms A Base =3D Ascending Base C&H or CwH =3D Cup and Handle (http://www.cwhcharts.com/WON_cwh.htm.) FB=3DFlat Base HTF =3D High Tight Flag LLUR =3D Lower Left Upper Right (a stock on the rise, channeling in a = tight range) For general discussion of chart patterns: = http://stockcharts.com/education/What/ChartAnalysis/index.html Commonly discussed software/tools: AAII Stock Investor Pro http://www.aaii.com/ - money back guarantee DGO=3D DailyGraphs Online ( www.dailygraphs.com ) - 7 day trial $19.95 HGSI =3D High Growth Stock Investing (www.highgrowthstock.com) - 60 day = paid trial $49 QP2 =3D Quotes Plus (www.qp2.com) TC2000 =3D Worden Brothers TC2000 technical analysis software = (http://www.tc2000.com) -30 day free trial VV=3D VectorVest (www.vectorvest.com) - 5 week trial $9.95 =20 If you are new to CANSLIM investing (or just need a refresher): Take advantage of the excellent learning center at the IBD site-- = www.investors.com/learn Free sites for stock scanning: http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/finder/predefstocks.asp http://www.marketguide.com/screen/SScreen.asp Free sites for charting: www.stockcharts.com www.bigcharts.com http://www.moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3Dcsc= o Due diligence sites: Company's web site http://biz.yahoo.com/p/c/csco.html http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/newsnap.asp?Symbol=3DCSCO www.cwhcharts.com/canslim (limited to 5 stocks per person per day) www.investors.com (Requires subscription-look for the stock checkup = feature) =20 Free resources for real time tracking: www.quotetracker.com Tools provided by members: -CANSLIM Evaluator provided by Mike Gibbons: A tool that evaluates a = stock against each of the CANSLIM criteria except M. = (http://www.cwhcharts.com/canslim) -CwH Stock Selector provided by Mike Gibbons: A tool that looks for = stocks that are in the handle of a cup-with-handle base and are = potentially ready for breakout. (http://www.cwhcharts.com/cs.php) -Charts for CANSLIM provided by Mike Gibbons: A straightforward chart = showing the price/volume action, pivots, % off 52 wk high, RS Line = relative to the S&P500, RS Rank plotted over time, U/D ratio over time. = Displays daily for 3, 6, 9, or 12 months. Updated with delayed intraday = pricing as well. (http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php) -CANSLIMLinks provided by Katherine Malm: An Excel spreadsheet that = contains macros for creating links to sites useful for evaluating = CANSLIM stocks. Allows you to list stocks of your choosing. Full = functionality only available with Excel 2000 for Windows. Limited = functionality in prior versions. = (http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMLinksAutomated.zip) -Favorite Resources provided by Katherine Malm: A Word document listing = various sites I find useful in CANSLIM investing. = (http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/FavoriteResourcesKM.doc) -Favorite Resources provided by other members-Would love to see more = posted to the FTP site!!! =20 List FAQ compiled by Katherine Malm. If you have suggestions for = additions and/or revisions, please contact me at kmalm@earthlink.net Rev 11/03/02 ------=_NextPart_000_2A03_01C283C1.210AFC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This FAQ is = also=20 available at: http://Wall= Street-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMFAQ.doc

 

Scope of=20 discussion, Etiquette:

Here are a = couple=20 of quotes from the welcome email that Jeff Salisbury, the list = owner and=20 host, sends to each new member:

 

"This is an = unmoderated=20 discussion group whose purpose is to provide a forum for individuals to: =

  1. Discuss=20 the ideas and concepts of CANSLIM.
  2. Add=20 to the concepts of CANSLIM from personal experience.
  3. Exchange=20 sources of information on the internet and software that can be used = to select=20 stocks using the CANSLIM methodology.
  4. Discuss=20 specific equities and how they may or may not meet the CANSLIM=20 criteria. "

"Anyone who resorts to rudeness, flaming, and personal attacks will = be=20 removed from our group."

=93By signing up for this list, you agree to the following:  = This list is=20 a private list.  All information that you take from this list is = for your=20 private use only.  Commercial use of this information is = forbidden.=94

Commonly used = (misc)=20 abbreviations:

BO or B/O =3D = Breakout

DD=3D Due = Diligence

dMA =3D days Moving = Average (a=20 simple moving average unless otherwise specified)

FTD =3D Follow = Through Day http://www.market-tester= .com/primer.htm

HTMMIS =3D "How to = Make Money in=20 Stocks" by William J. O'Neil

IBD =3D Investors = Business=20 Daily  (www.investors.com)

IMHO =3D In My Humble = Opinion=20 sometimes used as IMO or JMO or my $0.02

LOL =3D Laughing Out = Loud

M =3D Market ( the = "M" in=20 CANSLIM)

MA =3D Moving = Average

N =3D New (the "N" in = CANSLIM)

VR =3D Virtual = Reality fund

WON =3D William = O'Neil, originator=20 of CANSLIM

 

IBD/CANSLIM = Proprietary=20 Rankings:

A/D =3D=20 Accumulation/Distribution

EPS =3D Earnings per = Share Rank

GRS =3D Group = Relative Strength

RS =3D Relative = Strength

SMR =3D = Sales/Margins/ROE

Comp =3D Composite = Ranking

 

Accounting/Finance=20 Abbreviations:

BS or B/S =3D Balance = Sheet

cflo =3D Cash = Flow

D/E =3D Debt to = Equity

IS or I/S =3D Income = Statement

PE or P/E =3D Price = to Earnings=20 ratio

Pro Forma earnings = =3D http://www.sec= .gov/investor/pubs/proforma12-4.htm

 

Accounting = 101:

http:= //uoutperform.com/New_Folder/fundamental_analysis.htm
http= ://www.investopedia.com/university/fundamentalanalysis/
http://w= ww.WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/Accounting101.doc

 

Commonly = discussed technical=20 patterns:

2B=3DDouble=20 Bottoms

A Base =3D Ascending = Base

C&H or CwH =3D = Cup and=20 Handle  (http://www.cwhcharts.com/WO= N_cwh.htm.)

FB=3DFlat Base

HTF =3D High Tight = Flag

LLUR =3D Lower Left = Upper=20 Right (a stock on the rise, channeling in a tight range)

For general = discussion of chart=20 patterns: h= ttp://stockcharts.com/education/What/ChartAnalysis/index.html<= /P>

 

Commonly = discussed=20 software/tools:

AAII Stock Investor = Pro http://www.aaii.com/ - money back = guarantee

DGO=3D DailyGraphs=20 Online  ( www.dailygraphs.com ) =96 7 = day trial=20 $19.95

HGSI =3D High Growth = Stock=20 Investing (www.highgrowthstock.com)=20 =96 60 day paid trial $49

QP2 =3D Quotes Plus = (www.qp2.com)

TC2000 =3D  = Worden Brothers=20 TC2000 technical analysis software (http://www.tc2000.com) -30 day free=20 trial

VV=3D VectorVest (www.vectorvest.com) =96 5 week = trial=20 $9.95

 

If you are new to = CANSLIM=20 investing (or just need a refresher):

Take advantage of the = excellent=20 learning center at the IBD site-- www.investors.com/learn

 

Free sites for = stock=20 scanning:

htt= p://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/finder/predefstocks.asp

http://www.marketg= uide.com/screen/SScreen.asp

 

Free sites for=20 charting:

www.stockcharts.com

www.bigcharts.com

http://www.moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?S= ymbol=3Dcsco

 

Due diligence = sites:

Company's web = site

http://biz.yahoo.com/p/c/csco= .html

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/research/newsnap.asp?Symbol=3D= CSCO

www.cwhcharts.com/canslim = (limited=20 to 5 stocks per person per day)

www.investors.com (Requires=20 subscription-look for the stock checkup feature)

 

 

Free resources = for real time=20 tracking:

www.quotetracker.com

 

Tools provided by = members:

-CANSLIM Evaluator = provided by=20 Mike Gibbons: A tool that evaluates a stock against each of the CANSLIM = criteria=20 except M. (http://www.cwhcharts.com/cansli= m)

-CwH Stock Selector = provided by=20 Mike Gibbons: A tool that looks for stocks that are in the handle = of a=20 cup-with-handle base and are potentially ready for breakout. = (http://www.cwhcharts.com/cs.php)

-Charts for = CANSLIM provided=20 by Mike Gibbons: A straightforward chart showing the price/volume = action,=20 pivots, % off 52 wk high, RS Line relative to the S&P500, RS Rank = plotted=20 over time, U/D ratio over time. Displays daily for 3, 6, 9, or 12 = months.=20 Updated with delayed intraday pricing as well. (http://www.cwhcharts= .com/charts/kmchart.php)

-CANSLIMLinks = provided by=20 Katherine Malm: An Excel spreadsheet that contains macros for creating = links to=20 sites useful for evaluating CANSLIM stocks. Allows you to list stocks of = your=20 choosing. Full functionality only available with Excel 2000 for Windows. = Limited=20 functionality in prior versions. (http= ://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMLinksAutomated.zip)

-Favorite Resources = provided by=20 Katherine Malm: A Word document listing various sites I find useful in = CANSLIM=20 investing. (http:/= /WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/FavoriteResourcesKM.doc)

-Favorite Resources = provided by=20 other members=97Would love to see more posted to the FTP site!!!

 

List FAQ compiled by = Katherine=20 Malm. If you have suggestions for additions and/or revisions, please = contact me=20 at kmalm@earthlink.net

Rev=20 11/03/02

------=_NextPart_000_2A03_01C283C1.210AFC10-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] my first charts Date: 04 Nov 2002 06:23:43 -0500 you were probably subscribed to the digest version, where you got all the posts in one or two daily emails. The digest version was discontinued, and you had to subscribe to the live version instead. I don't know of anyone kicked out for not contributing, only for repeated violations of the few rules we have. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:44 PM I actually got kicked off the last after year two of lurking... probably 'cause I wasn't contributing anything... The list postings just sortta stopped showing up! Guess that's what I get for being slow.... -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tom Worley Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 7:21 AM Robin, sorry for the delayed response, my weeks seem only to get longer and more tiring. And thanks for the intro, wow, a three year lurker finally coming forward, I think that could be a new record, anyone else want to beat it?? Some quick comments at least BSTE - strange chart, kinda a c&h, but a pretty long and drooping handle, excellent fundies and growth top and bottom line, and forecast to continue that way for another year. Funds already own 33% however. EXPD - I like to see at least 20% earnings forecast FCBP - I don't see this as LLUR, too ranging of a chart. HLYW - agree on all points, this is the kind of company that benefits both from the aging population, as well as present economy. Even if the economy starts to improve, I would think it would help more than hurt ROOM - on the %age ownership, Management is taken as of the total issue, while funds and banks are of the float, so the figures cannot be added together. Yes, the bottom of the cup is deeper than desired, on the other hand the run up to 70 was from an exaggerated low resulting from 9/11. Fundies and growth top and bottom are good, altho margins appear volatile and hard to predict. Ads I have seen on TV look effective, but you can better judge the marketing effectiveness. ORLY - look at it on a weekly chart, it is in a steady decline, confirmed by the trend of both the 50 and 200 dma lines, and now by the RS as well. PPDI - Group RS improved to 61, so puts it into the bottom of the "B" group, certainly worth watching for a break over the pivot in the handle SHFL - Management only owns 4%, but their last four transactions shown were buys (May - July) and at an excellent price. UPOX - I am assuming you mean UOPX, Group RS now at 81, so into the low "A" category, one of the reasons why I disregard group rankings in doing my screens, I actually like finding pretty charts on companies still in the Group "E" category. AMGP - last two quarters poor earnings on higher revenues would kick this one off my radar immediately, also I don't like companies public for less than 12 months Good luck, ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:06 PM FOA... Thanks for all the input on resources. Was much appreciated. I'm listing some charts below that appear to my novice eye as being of interest. This is only based on what I can see from the charts (... and I'm not putting ANY of my money into ANYTHING based on those nascent skills at this point...) But since there isn't a lot of traffic on the board, I figured I might as well put them out there if only to get reasons why they aren't good candidates... BSTE Biosite GROUP RS 90, EPS Rank 75 (not great) B/B/A, 31%F/15%M (would prefer M to be higher) Looks to me like a cup trying to make a handle. >50%+ on last run. Volume dried up on handle and then almost hit pivot point. EXPD Expeditors Is this a cup? +20% on last advance. 28.3% between L and bottom of base. EPS 88, RS 86 B/B/A. The Group RS is 50 (Not sure how much I should care about that...) and Mgmt only owns 5%, with F at 33%. But it looks to me like it's forming a nice R to the cup. FCBP I think this is an LLUR. Don't know what to do with those yet. But with Group RS 95, EPS 88, A/B/A, RS of 90, Mgmnt 36% with continued insider acquisitions I thought it was worth a look. Now if I can just figure out if that's a really, really, really long handle..... HLYW Hollywood Entertainment A cup that I think is now trying to make a handle. +20% on last run. Above 200DMA. Volume drying up on handle. Group RS 85, A/A 12%M and 30%F. EPS Rank 80. I think I should like this one. ROOM Hotels.com Cup. B/B/A, EPS 96, Growth +166%. Mgmnt 49% & Funds 46%. RS increasing, 59.4% on last major runup. Should I be concerned that base is 49% below L on cup and Group RS is 53? Also... According the DGO chart I'm looking at... Funds have 46%, Banks 10%, and Mgmt 49%... Okay, I know I'm only a marketing guy but doesn't that make the pie a little too big? ORLY I like this one two weeks ago. It had a cup then... I promise... But what is it now the handle seems to have gone all funky? Group RS 91, B/B/A EPS 95 PPDI Cup consolidating into handle? Fundamentals look good to me except that pesky group RS thing again (34%) Should that be enough to knock out a stock that is otherwise A/B/A, EPS 99% and a 32% growth rate? SHFL Cup making handle. A/A/A, 91EPS and RS95. Group RS 80. But management only owns 4%. UPOX Cup with handle trying to break pivot. A/A/A 99EPS. RS95 but declining a little bit. Concerns - Group RS of 53 (DGO should really leave this number out of their charts... it keeps messing up my otherwise nice investment options....) and only 2% Management. AMGP Cup with handle? Group RS 98, EPS 81, A/B/A F34% M42%, Volume was declining in handle, good growth, nice run up before L of cup. Any comments (except 'what are u smoking?') would be very much appreciated. And finally... not to be rude, since this is my first real post, a brief introduction. Been in marketing for 18 years, but have an Economics and Accounting background. Cut my teeth at Apple Computer with the launch of the Macintosh. Now with a media wholesaler. My investing has been limited to watching my Fidelity 401K funds get smaller. In addition to HTMMIS also read Grahams Value Investing book and Murphy's Technical Analysis (which I slept through twice and STILL can't get the study guide questions right....) Have bitten the bullet and subscribed to IBD, 'though I still prefer WSJ for non-chart content. I like bicycles, lawn gnomes and long walks on the beach, and have lurked on this board for almost 3 years now. Robin - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Emenar1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Re. Funds Date: 03 Nov 2002 21:21:11 EST Tom: What do you make of a stock where the DG-Online stat. for funds is "NA". I'm looking at SMD, and it has nice aggregate number for mgt. which is holding the stock (39%); the weekly chart looks like I'd want to watch it; earnings are very nice as is cash flow; it has no debt and ROE is a spectacular 59%. However, not knowing how many funds are holding the stock gives me pause. How do you analyze a stock when the everything else seems nice, but funds say "NA"? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re. Funds Date: 04 Nov 2002 09:22:19 EST --part1_122.19ee8eaf.2af7dc9b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMD also on my watch close list, has enough of the characteristics to buy if it marks a direction from here. Chris --part1_122.19ee8eaf.2af7dc9b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SMD also on my watch close list, has enough of the characteristics to buy if it marks a direction from here.

Chris --part1_122.19ee8eaf.2af7dc9b_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Richards" Subject: [CANSLIM] The Acc/Dis charts have been updated. Date: 04 Nov 2002 08:48:03 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C283DE.E3030700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The A's in IBD's Acc/Dis numbers have been increasing slightly during the past two weeks. The charts have been updated and are at: \ http://www.adrich.com/SI/Info/A's.htm ---- Fred Richards Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. [The more corrupt a republic, the more laws.] - - Tacitus, Annuals III 27 www.adrich.com ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C283DE.E3030700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The = A's in IBD's=20 Acc/Dis numbers have been increasing slightly during the past two = weeks. =20 The charts have been updated and are at:
\
http://www.adrich.com/SI/I= nfo/A's.htm
 
Fred Richards
 
Corruptisima republica plurimae = leges.  [The=20 more corrupt a republic, the more laws.]  - - Tacitus, Annuals III=20 27
 
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------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C283DE.E3030700-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA Date: 04 Nov 2002 09:52:00 -0600 John, From what little I know about TA, I think the MACD could be pretty useful too. As I continue to learn about the cwh patterns, it would be nice to have a way to "check" the chart with TA, so that if you see a breakout that fails, maybe you could have seen it coming based on the MACD signals. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "John Solarno" cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 11/02/2002 06:20 PM Please respond to canslim I personally rely on the MACD histogram. I maintain a database of stocks gleaned from various sources (IBD, VectorVest.) As soon as I see any stock cross the zero line headed upwards, I pay VERY close attention for the next day or two and if it continues to climb with strong volume, I'm in. Conversely, as soon as the histogram starts heading back down towards zero, I unload. I have never managed to get the hang of the cup-with-handle formation. I don't have the mental discipline, I fear, for calculating pivot points and base depths. Don't misunderstand, I still look for those illusive cups, but I find a MACD histogram is easier to spot and, therefore, something I use more frequently. John -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:05 PM I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the group members use some other form of technical analysis besides the price volume chart action described by WON . Since the chart reading can be very subjective, do any of you use MACD cross overs, or Point and figure charts to confirm a breakout, or possible sell sign for a stock? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sol Mayer Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA Date: 04 Nov 2002 07:50:20 -0800 (PST) --0-1416279803-1036425020=:12098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii where do you find the macd histogram also where can I find a good definition of what it is? John Solarno wrote:I personally rely on the MACD histogram. I maintain a database of stocks gleaned from various sources (IBD, VectorVest.) As soon as I see any stock cross the zero line headed upwards, I pay VERY close attention for the next day or two and if it continues to climb with strong volume, I'm in. Conversely, as soon as the histogram starts heading back down towards zero, I unload. I have never managed to get the hang of the cup-with-handle formation. I don't have the mental discipline, I fear, for calculating pivot points and base depths. Don't misunderstand, I still look for those illusive cups, but I find a MACD histogram is easier to spot and, therefore, something I use more frequently. John -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:05 PM I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the group members use some other form of technical analysis besides the price volume chart action described by WON . Since the chart reading can be very subjective, do any of you use MACD cross overs, or Point and figure charts to confirm a breakout, or possible sell sign for a stock? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-1416279803-1036425020=:12098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

where do you find the macd histogram also where can I find a good definition of what it is?

 John Solarno <workvirt@workvirtual.com> wrote:

I personally rely on the MACD histogram. I maintain a database of stocks
gleaned from various sources (IBD, VectorVest.) As soon as I see any
stock cross the zero line headed upwards, I pay VERY close attention for
the next day or two and if it continues to climb with strong volume, I'm
in. Conversely, as soon as the histogram starts heading back down
towards zero, I unload.

I have never managed to get the hang of the cup-with-handle formation.
I don't have the mental discipline, I fear, for calculating pivot points
and base depths. Don't misunderstand, I still look for those illusive
cups, but I find a MACD histogram is easier to spot and, therefore,
something I use more frequently.

John

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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA

I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the group members use
some
other form of technical analysis besides the price volume chart action
described by WON .
Since the chart reading can be very subjective, do any of you use MACD
cross overs, or Point and figure charts to confirm a breakout, or
possible
sell sign for a stock?

Thanks

Mike

Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. Principal Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847) 270-4525
michael_niemotka@baxter.com



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If you use stockcharts.com. bigcharts.com, etc, you can get the MACD histogram plotted Hope that helps Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Sol Mayer" To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent by: cc: owner-canslim@lists.xm Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA ission.com 11/04/2002 09:50 AM Please respond to canslim where do you find the macd histogram also where can I find a good definition of what it is? John Solarno wrote: I personally rely on the MACD histogram. I maintain a database of stocks gleaned from various sources (IBD, VectorVest.) As soon as I see any stock cross the zero line headed upwards, I pay VERY close attention for the next day or two and if it continues to climb with strong volume, I'm in. Conversely, as soon as the histogram starts heading back down towards zero, I unload. I have never managed to get the hang of the cup-with-handle formation. I don't have the mental discipline, I fear, for calculating pivot points and base depths. Don't misunderstand, I still look for those illusive cups, but I find a MACD histogram is easier to spot and, therefore, something I use more frequently. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.co! m Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:05 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the group members use some other form of technical analysis besides the price volume chart action described by WON . Since the chart reading can be very subjective, do any of you use MACD cross overs, or Point and figure charts to confirm a breakout, or possible sell sign for a stock? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.co! m" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Bogatay" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA Date: 04 Nov 2002 11:06:34 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C283F2.3CF727B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The MACD histogram is a standard indicator available in most (if not all) charting packages as well as the online charting sources. If you are already familiar with the MACD, the histogram is basically the difference between the MACD and the signal plotted as a histogram. A decent explanation of MACD is available here: http://clearstation.etrade.com/education/trending.shtml A shorter version is here: http://www.equis.com/Education/TAAZ/?page=66 -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Sol Mayer Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:50 AM where do you find the macd histogram also where can I find a good definition of what it is? John Solarno wrote: I personally rely on the MACD histogram. I maintain a database of stocks gleaned from various sources (IBD, VectorVest.) As soon as I see any stock cross the zero line headed upwards, I pay VERY close attention for the next day or two and if it continues to climb with strong volume, I'm in. Conversely, as soon as the histogram starts heading back down towards zero, I unload. I have never managed to get the hang of the cup-with-handle formation. I don't have the mental discipline, I fear, for calculating pivot points and base depths. Don't misunderstand, I still look for those illusive cups, but I find a MACD histogram is easier to spot and, therefore, something I use more frequently. John -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:05 PM I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the group members use some other form of technical analysis besides the price volume chart action described by WON . Since the chart reading can be very subjective, do any of you use MACD cross overs, or Point and figure charts to confirm a breakout, or possible sell sign for a stock? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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The=20 MACD histogram is a standard indicator available in most (if not all) = charting=20 packages as well as the online charting sources.  If you are = already=20 familiar with the MACD, the histogram is basically the difference = between the=20 MACD and the signal plotted as a histogram.
 
A=20 decent explanation of MACD is available here:
http://c= learstation.etrade.com/education/trending.shtml
 
A=20 shorter version is here:
http://www.equis.= com/Education/TAAZ/?page=3D66
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of Sol Mayer
Sent: Monday, November 04, = 2002 10:50=20 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: = [CANSLIM]=20 CANSLIM with TA

where do you find the macd histogram also where can I find a good=20 definition of what it is?=20

 John Solarno <workvirt@workvirtual.com> = wrote:=20 I=20 personally rely on the MACD histogram. I maintain a database of=20 stocks
gleaned from various sources (IBD, VectorVest.) As soon as = I see=20 any
stock cross the zero line headed upwards, I pay VERY close = attention=20 for
the next day or two and if it continues to climb with strong = volume,=20 I'm
in. Conversely, as soon as the histogram starts heading back=20 down
towards zero, I unload.

I have never managed to get = the hang=20 of the cup-with-handle formation.
I don't have the mental = discipline, I=20 fear, for calculating pivot points
and base depths. Don't = misunderstand,=20 I still look for those illusive
cups, but I find a MACD histogram = is=20 easier to spot and, therefore,
something I use more=20 frequently.

John

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 = owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.= com]=20 On Behalf Of
michael_niemotka@baxter.com
Sent: Thursday, = October 31,=20 2002 8:05 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] = CANSLIM=20 with TA

I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the = group=20 members use
some
other form of technical analysis besides the = price=20 volume chart action
described by WON .
Since the chart reading = can be=20 very subjective, do any of you use MACD
cross overs, or Point and = figure=20 charts to confirm a breakout, or
possible
sell sign for a=20 stock?

Thanks

Mike

Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. = Principal=20 Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson=20 Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847)=20 270-4525
michael_niemotka@baxter.com



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Charley MSN Money - Institutional Ownership: Investing --part1_a1.30107f81.2af7ff27_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: [CANSLIM] selling rules question Date: 04 Nov 2002 11:59:38 -0600 All, I know I have asked similar questions in the past, but not sure if I have addressed this one: If you have bought a stock, and watched it rise , say 15-20%, and being conservative, you have sold 1/2 your position to lock in those profits, for the other half, do you use a trailing stop (mental or real) to lock in a minimum profit on the rest, say 5%, or do you allow it to drop as low as the 7-8% below your original buy point, or maybe just to a break even point? The reason I ask is the somewhat confusing statement that WON makes in his book about never letting a gain turn into a loss. But how much of a gain do you have to get before you move up the stop loss from 7-8% below buy point to a break even point, without unnecessarily getting pushed out of a otherwise good stock that might just be undergoing a normal correction? Also, assuming that you capital is small, such that the commission fees are not negligible, do you include the costs of the trades in calculating the sell prices? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chet Kwapisinski" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA Date: 04 Nov 2002 12:51:33 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C28400.E70D2520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are been other sites referenced; however you might also visit = these 2 examples regarding a defintion and how some folks apply MACD: http://www.decisionpoint.com/tacourse/MAC-D.html http://www.decisionpoint.com/TraderNick/NickTechCIEN.html Cheers ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sol Mayer=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA where do you find the macd histogram also where can I find a good = definition of what it is?=20 John Solarno wrote:=20 I personally rely on the MACD histogram. I maintain a database of = stocks gleaned from various sources (IBD, VectorVest.) As soon as I see any stock cross the zero line headed upwards, I pay VERY close attention = for the next day or two and if it continues to climb with strong volume, = I'm in. Conversely, as soon as the histogram starts heading back down towards zero, I unload.=20 I have never managed to get the hang of the cup-with-handle = formation. I don't have the mental discipline, I fear, for calculating pivot = points and base depths. Don't misunderstand, I still look for those = illusive cups, but I find a MACD histogram is easier to spot and, therefore, something I use more frequently. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:05 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM with TA I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the group members = use some other form of technical analysis besides the price volume chart = action described by WON . Since the chart reading can be very subjective, do any of you use = MACD cross overs, or Point and figure charts to confirm a breakout, or possible sell sign for a stock? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C28400.E70D2520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are been other sites referenced; = however you=20 might also visit these 2 examples regarding a defintion and=20 how  some folks apply MACD:
 
http://www.deci= sionpoint.com/tacourse/MAC-D.html
 
http:/= /www.decisionpoint.com/TraderNick/NickTechCIEN.html
 
Cheers
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sol = Mayer=20
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 = 9:50=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM = with=20 TA

where do you find the macd histogram also where can I find a good=20 definition of what it is?=20

 John Solarno <workvirt@workvirtual.com>= =20 wrote:=20 I=20 personally rely on the MACD histogram. I maintain a database of=20 stocks
gleaned from various sources (IBD, VectorVest.) As soon as = I see=20 any
stock cross the zero line headed upwards, I pay VERY close = attention=20 for
the next day or two and if it continues to climb with strong = volume,=20 I'm
in. Conversely, as soon as the histogram starts heading back=20 down
towards zero, I unload.

I have never managed to get = the hang=20 of the cup-with-handle formation.
I don't have the mental = discipline, I=20 fear, for calculating pivot points
and base depths. Don't = misunderstand,=20 I still look for those illusive
cups, but I find a MACD histogram = is=20 easier to spot and, therefore,
something I use more=20 frequently.

John

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 = owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.= com]=20 On Behalf Of
michael_niemotka@baxter.com
Sent: Thursday, = October 31,=20 2002 8:05 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] = CANSLIM=20 with TA

I was wondering, by a show of hands, how many of the = group=20 members use
some
other form of technical analysis besides the = price=20 volume chart action
described by WON .
Since the chart reading = can be=20 very subjective, do any of you use MACD
cross overs, or Point and = figure=20 charts to confirm a breakout, or
possible
sell sign for a=20 stock?

Thanks

Mike

Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. = Principal=20 Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson=20 Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847)=20 = 270-4525
michael_niemotka@baxter.com
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C28400.E70D2520-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rchodes" Subject: [CANSLIM] MOVI Date: 04 Nov 2002 18:57:47 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C28434.10C66B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have MOVI on my watch list and I decided not to purchase shares due to = questions that have been raised about the accounting method they use, = specifically the amortization schedule they use for valuing used = merchandise (DVDs, VCRs). Nothing fraudulent, just some concerns about = whether their liberal assumptions optomistically inflate their gross = margins. Here's a reference for anyone interested; the story is pretty = balanced. http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/tech/georgemannes/10048945.html But that's not the point of this question. MOVI scores well on most = fundamentals and the chart looks to me like a nice C&H; the pivot point = before today seemed to be 19.32 and the stock seemed to break through = that pivot point today on high volume. But it tanked at the end of the = day and closed at 17.98. If you purchased at the pp, you'd still own = the stock. So I have 2 questions.=20 1. Does today's high 20.14 become the new high pp for the handle? 2. How do you interpret today's action. Is it positive that it broke = out on high volume in the AM, negative that it closed lower on high = volume, or totally ambiguous? 3. MOVI reports their earnings on WEDS. What's your experience in = buying a stock that appears to break out of a base (as MOVI did this AM) = 2 days before earnings? Do you interpret "smart money" anticipating = good earnings perhaps due to a leak or is this a too risky breakout = since it could easily reverse with bad news on WEDS. =20 Once again, I have no investment in MOVI and I only bring this up as an = example to learn how more experienced CANSLIM investors think about = these issues. Thanks in advance. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C28434.10C66B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have MOVI on my watch list and I = decided not to=20 purchase shares due to questions that have been raised about the = accounting=20 method they use, specifically the amortization=20 schedule they use for valuing used merchandise (DVDs, = VCRs). Nothing=20 fraudulent, just some concerns about whether their liberal = assumptions=20 optomistically inflate their gross margins.  Here's a = reference for=20 anyone interested; the story is pretty balanced.
 
= http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/tech/georgemannes/10048945.html
 
But that's not the point of this = question. =20 MOVI scores well on most fundamentals and the chart looks to me like a = nice=20 C&H; the pivot point before today seemed to=20 be 19.32 and the stock seemed to break through that pivot point today on = high=20 volume.  But it tanked at the end of the day and closed at = 17.98.  If=20 you purchased at the pp, you'd still own the stock.  So I have 2=20 questions. 
 
1. Does today's high 20.14 become the = new high pp=20 for the handle?
2. How do you interpret today's = action.  Is it=20 positive that it broke out on high volume in the AM, negative that it = closed=20 lower on high volume, or totally ambiguous?
3. MOVI reports their earnings on = WEDS. =20 What's your experience in buying a stock that appears to break out of a = base (as=20 MOVI did this AM) 2 days before earnings?  Do you interpret "smart = money"=20 anticipating good earnings perhaps due to a leak or is this a too risky = breakout=20 since it could easily reverse with bad news on WEDS. 
 
Once again, I have no investment in = MOVI and I only=20 bring this up as an example to learn how more experienced CANSLIM = investors=20 think about these issues.  Thanks in = advance.
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C28434.10C66B00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp Date: 04 Nov 2002 22:49:31 -0500 filled three of my five limit orders this morning, cash spent, now margining. Two of the three up for the day, portfolio netted 3.5%+. Of the two I missed filling, missed one by only a thin dime, and it gained 16% for the day, nuts. That's what I get for being cautious. So guess I must be back in my normal bull market mentality, at least for today. Unlike my normal diversified tech approach, concentrating on net and computer security, group has been extremely strong lately. Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp Date: 04 Nov 2002 23:11:39 EST --part1_19d.b69d7ff.2af89efb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You left out the part IM interested in, what are you buying these days? Chris --part1_19d.b69d7ff.2af89efb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You left out the part IM interested in, what are you buying these days?

Chris --part1_19d.b69d7ff.2af89efb_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp Date: 04 Nov 2002 23:27:52 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C28459.CB9CEC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bought ISSX, NSCN and OSIS today, looking for more in the net / computer = security sector ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:11 PM You left out the part IM interested in, what are you buying these days? Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C28459.CB9CEC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
bought ISSX, NSCN and OSIS today, looking for = more in the=20 net / computer security sector
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp

You left out the part IM interested in, = what are you=20 buying these days?

Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C28459.CB9CEC90-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karen White Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp Date: 04 Nov 2002 20:34:50 -0800 lets guess...symc and chkp? At 11:11 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >You left out the part IM interested in, what are you buying these days? > >Chris - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp Date: 04 Nov 2002 23:50:50 -0500 nope, too big for me ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:34 PM lets guess...symc and chkp? At 11:11 PM 11/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >You left out the part IM interested in, what are you buying these days? > >Chris - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chris Dempsey Subject: [CANSLIM] bottoming base? Date: 04 Nov 2002 22:58:23 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_qx6HZVAmR8MRLxdw274c2Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE In Tues IBD Big Picture: =93Microsoft gapped out of a 3 1/2-month bot= toming base=94 Has anyone ever seen this from WON or IBD? --Boundary_(ID_qx6HZVAmR8MRLxdw274c2Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE

In Tues IBD Big Picture: “Microsoft gapped out of a 3 1/2-month bottoming baseR= 21;

 

Has a= nyone ever seen this from WON or IBD?

 

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Hi,
 
 

While doing my weekly research I came across in Yahoo Finance with the profile for SRCL, under Ownership Institutional is appeared 123% of float.

 

A definition of float is the shares left over for possible purchase after substracting stock that is closely held (How to make money in stocks, page 33); my doubt is: who come  do they come with this 123%?

 

I need some light on it.

 

Best Regards to all,

 

Luis Claramunt

San Jose, Costa Rica
mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
--Boundary_(ID_PwA2XXzrDOWCC5oCKrdwGQ)-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Month of October SOD's Date: 05 Nov 2002 12:56:00 -0600 All, For what it is worth, the table below shows the results of the SOD compiler for the month of October. I have included the names of those companies that appeared in at least 30% of the screens. From a quick look, a lot of these stocks have been breaking out, or are near breaking out. |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| |Symbol| COMPANY NAME | Number of | Total number | | | |occurrences| of files | | | | | examined | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | COCO |Corinthian Colleges| 12| 24| | | Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | FRX | Forest Labs Inc | 12| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | MME | Mid Atlantic Med | 12| 24| | | Svc Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | SYK | Stryker Corp | 12| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | ZMH |Zimmer Holdings Inc| 12| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | ATH | Anthem Inc | 11| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | AZO | Autozone Inc | 11| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | CVH | Coventry Health | 11| 24| | | Care Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | UNH |Unitedhealth Group | 11| 24| | | Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | UOPX |Apollo-Univ Phoenix| 11| 24| | | Onln | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | WLP | Wellpoint Health | 11| 24| | | Network | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | APOL |Apollo Group Inc Cl| 10| 24| | | A | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | BLUD | Immucor Inc | 10| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | RNR | Renaissancere | 10| 24| | | Holdings | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | CHS | Chicos Fas Inc | 9| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | CTMI | C T I Molecular | 9| 24| | | Imaging | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | IGT | Intl Game | 9| 24| | | Technology | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | PENN | Penn Natl Gaming | 9| 24| | | Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | SHFL |Shuffle Master Inc | 9| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | AMGP | Amerigroup Corp | 8| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | APPX | American | 8| 24| | | Pharmaceutical | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | BG | Bunge Ltd | 8| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | CECO | Career Education | 8| 24| | | Corp | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | LANC | Lancaster Colony | 8| 24| | | Corp | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | STTX |Steel Technologies | 8| 24| | | Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| Good hunting Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Short" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp Date: 05 Nov 2002 13:40:59 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28503.4428B224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Um...... why OSIS? -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:28 PM bought ISSX, NSCN and OSIS today, looking for more in the net / computer = security sector =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:11 PM You left out the part IM interested in, what are you buying these days? Chris=20 _____ =20 For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses.=20 Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/=20 _____ =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C28503.4428B224 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Um...... why OSIS?
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 04, = 2002 10:28=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
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bought ISSX, NSCN and OSIS today, looking for = more in=20 the net / computer security sector
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish = camp

You left out the part IM interested in, = what are you=20 buying these days?

Chris
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C28503.4428B224-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Duke Miller" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Month of October SOD's Date: 05 Nov 2002 15:02:26 -0500 Thank you for providing this, Mike. Duke -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of michael_niemotka@baxter.com Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:56 PM All, For what it is worth, the table below shows the results of the SOD compiler for the month of October. I have included the names of those companies that appeared in at least 30% of the screens. From a quick look, a lot of these stocks have been breaking out, or are near breaking out. |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| |Symbol| COMPANY NAME | Number of | Total number | | | |occurrences| of files | | | | | examined | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | COCO |Corinthian Colleges| 12| 24| | | Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | FRX | Forest Labs Inc | 12| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | MME | Mid Atlantic Med | 12| 24| | | Svc Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | SYK | Stryker Corp | 12| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | ZMH |Zimmer Holdings Inc| 12| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | ATH | Anthem Inc | 11| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | AZO | Autozone Inc | 11| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | CVH | Coventry Health | 11| 24| | | Care Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | UNH |Unitedhealth Group | 11| 24| | | Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | UOPX |Apollo-Univ Phoenix| 11| 24| | | Onln | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | WLP | Wellpoint Health | 11| 24| | | Network | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | APOL |Apollo Group Inc Cl| 10| 24| | | A | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | BLUD | Immucor Inc | 10| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | RNR | Renaissancere | 10| 24| | | Holdings | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | CHS | Chicos Fas Inc | 9| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | CTMI | C T I Molecular | 9| 24| | | Imaging | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | IGT | Intl Game | 9| 24| | | Technology | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | PENN | Penn Natl Gaming | 9| 24| | | Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | SHFL |Shuffle Master Inc | 9| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | AMGP | Amerigroup Corp | 8| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | APPX | American | 8| 24| | | Pharmaceutical | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | BG | Bunge Ltd | 8| 24| | | | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | CECO | Career Education | 8| 24| | | Corp | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | LANC | Lancaster Colony | 8| 24| | | Corp | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| | STTX |Steel Technologies | 8| 24| | | Inc | | | |------+-------------------+-----------+--------------| Good hunting Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Duke Miller" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] FLOAT Date: 05 Nov 2002 15:03:30 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C284DC.84042190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arthur Andersen does their accounting!! -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of luis claramunt Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:28 AM Hi, While doing my weekly research I came across in Yahoo Finance with the profile for SRCL, under Ownership Institutional is appeared 123% of float. A definition of float is the shares left over for possible purchase after substracting stock that is closely held (How to make money in stocks, page 33); my doubt is: who come do they come with this 123%? I need some light on it. Best Regards to all, Luis Claramunt San Jose, Costa Rica mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C284DC.84042190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Arthur Andersen = does their=20 accounting!!
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20 On Behalf Of luis claramunt
Sent: Tuesday, November = 05, 2002=20 10:28 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = [CANSLIM]=20 FLOAT

Hi,
 
 =20

While doing my weekly research I came across in = Yahoo=20 Finance with the profile for SRCL, under Ownership Institutional is = appeared=20 123% of float.

 

A definition of float is the shares left = over for=20 possible purchase after substracting stock that is closely held (How = to make=20 money in stocks, page 33); my doubt is: who come  do they come with this=20 123%?

 

I need some light on = it.

 

Best Regards to = all,

 

Luis=20 Claramunt

San Jose, Costa = Rica
mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C284DC.84042190-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: [CANSLIM] Back-Burners; Steady-Eddies; Rocking-Chair Date: 05 Nov 2002 16:08:02 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C284E5.8486A8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interested in learning how to modify the CANSLIM criteria in order to = locate stocks to buy 'for Mom'. Anyone have something they are willing = to share? Thanks, Gene ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C284E5.8486A8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interested in learning how to modify = the CANSLIM=20 criteria in order to locate stocks to buy 'for Mom'. Anyone have = something they=20 are willing to share?
 
Thanks,
Gene
------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C284E5.8486A8F0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: [CANSLIM] Back-Burners; Steady-Eddies; Rocking-Chair Date: 05 Nov 2002 16:08:02 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C284E5.8486A8F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interested in learning how to modify the CANSLIM criteria in order to = locate stocks to buy 'for Mom'. Anyone have something they are willing = to share? Thanks, Gene ------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C284E5.8486A8F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interested in learning how to modify = the CANSLIM=20 criteria in order to locate stocks to buy 'for Mom'. Anyone have = something they=20 are willing to share?
 
Thanks,
Gene
------=_NextPart_000_00F0_01C284E5.8486A8F0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karen White Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Back-Burners; Steady-Eddies; Rocking-Chair Date: 05 Nov 2002 17:59:13 -0800 Being in the rocking chair set myself (wont mention that ive been in tech for years) I really like the reits i have for holding their value and good dividends... everyone says they are at an end but not as far as i see... in fact one of them pays a nice monthly dividend- its Realty Income Group symbol - O - other one I have is Health Care Properties and i think the dividend is 7-8%.. but there are tons of REITS... The message board on HCP on yahoo has a knowledgeable group that discusses different reits... (or at least they did a few months ago) Remember the old days when the widows and orphans had utilities...scarey. Karen At 04:08 PM 11/5/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Interested in learning how to modify the CANSLIM criteria in order to >locate stocks to buy 'for Mom'. Anyone have something they are willing to >share? > >Thanks, >Gene - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Question on gaps Date: 05 Nov 2002 21:41:02 EST --part1_14.1920119.2af9db3e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how often say in percentage terms gaps are filled. My experience leaves me to believe that gaps are fill most of the time, giving you a second chance to enter a stock. The stock IM referring to that gaped up is LCI, gaped up Mon. and continued up today. Thanks Chris. --part1_14.1920119.2af9db3e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how often say in percentage terms gaps are filled. My experience leaves me to believe that gaps are fill most of the time, giving you a second chance to enter a stock.
The stock IM referring to that gaped up is LCI, gaped up Mon. and continued up today.

Thanks Chris. --part1_14.1920119.2af9db3e_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question on gaps Date: 05 Nov 2002 20:48:59 -0600 Chris, I was looking at this very phenomena yesterday. Over what time period were you thinking? Given enuf time every gap is filled. Time frame is the key factor. If you mean quickly (i.e. a few days), I too would like to know this bit of info. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:41 PM > Does anyone know how often say in percentage terms gaps are filled. My > experience leaves me to believe that gaps are fill most of the time, giving > you a second chance to enter a stock. > The stock IM referring to that gaped up is LCI, gaped up Mon. and continued > up today. > > Thanks Chris. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vanchee1@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Question on gaps Date: 05 Nov 2002 21:57:33 EST --part1_78.2fecf21c.2af9df1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would be great if there was some data on gaps filled in specific time lines, for example 10% of gaps are filled the first week, 25% of gaps are filled in the first month, and 75% of all gaps are filled within the first year. Personally I don't have a lot of patience so I would be looking for a pullback within a week or two, anymore than that would look more like a failed breakout. Chris. --part1_78.2fecf21c.2af9df1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would be great if there was some data on gaps filled in specific time lines, for example 10% of gaps are filled the first week, 25% of gaps are filled in the first month, and 75% of all gaps are filled within the first year.
Personally I don't have a lot of patience so I would be looking for a pullback within a week or two, anymore than that would look more like a failed breakout.

Chris. --part1_78.2fecf21c.2af9df1d_boundary-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FLOAT Date: 05 Nov 2002 23:45:27 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C28525.6AFE9AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would have to assume bad counting. I considered the possibility of = outstanding convertible bonds or warrants being counted, but don't see = that listed. DGO shows only 24% funds ownership. Float and issue are = almost the same with very little management holdings. Best bet is just ask Yahoo where they get their nrs. They likely will = blame some third party vendor. ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:27 AM Hi, =20 While doing my weekly research I came across in Yahoo Finance with the = profile for SRCL, under Ownership Institutional is appeared 123% of = float. =20 A definition of float is the shares left over for possible purchase = after substracting stock that is closely held (How to make money in = stocks, page 33); my doubt is: who come do they come with this 123%? =20 I need some light on it. =20 Best Regards to all, =20 Luis Claramunt San Jose, Costa Rica mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C28525.6AFE9AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would have to assume bad counting. I = considered the=20 possibility of outstanding convertible bonds or warrants being counted, = but=20 don't see that listed. DGO shows only 24% funds ownership. Float and = issue are=20 almost the same with very little management holdings.
 
Best bet is just ask Yahoo where they get their = nrs. They=20 likely will blame some third party vendor.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: luis = claramunt=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] FLOAT

Hi,
 
 =20

While doing my weekly research I came across in = Yahoo=20 Finance with the profile for SRCL, under Ownership Institutional is = appeared=20 123% of float.

 

A definition of float is the shares left = over for=20 possible purchase after substracting stock that is closely held (How to = make=20 money in stocks, page 33); my doubt is: who come  do they come with this=20 123%?

 

I need some light on = it.

 

Best Regards to all,

 

Luis=20 Claramunt

San Jose, Costa = Rica
mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C28525.6AFE9AB0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp Date: 05 Nov 2002 23:46:33 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C28525.921EA040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable part of their business is system security, like the sequential growth = top and bottom, and earnings forecast, especially in a period where = corps are supposedly not spending. ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:40 PM Um...... why OSIS? -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:28 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp bought ISSX, NSCN and OSIS today, looking for more in the net / = computer security sector ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp You left out the part IM interested in, what are you buying these = days? Chris=20 ----- For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses. = Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/=20 ----- ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C28525.921EA040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
part of their business is system security, like = the=20 sequential growth top and bottom, and earnings forecast, especially in a = period=20 where corps are supposedly not spending.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Kelly Short
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp

Um...... why OSIS?
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Worley=20 [mailto:stkguru@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, = 2002 10:28=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp

bought ISSX, NSCN and OSIS today, looking for = more in=20 the net / computer security sector
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Vanchee1@aol.com=20
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish = camp

You left out the part IM interested in, = what are you=20 buying these days?

Chris
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Chris, it is a "bottoming base" in that it is a = classic=20 double bottom, with a 3+ week handle having formed right at the pivot = (center=20 point of the "W"). Granted, the b/o was caused by the news of the judge=20 upholding the negotiated settlement without major changes.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
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Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:58 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] bottoming base?

In=20 Tues IBD Big Picture: =93Microsoft=20 gapped out of a 3 1/2-month bottoming = base=94

 

Has=20 anyone ever seen this from WON or IBD?

 

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While I often buy stocks where funds have not yet started to accumulate, or are at best only low single digit percentage owners, the trend on this one appears bad. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 9:26 PM Tom: What do you make of a stock where the DG-Online stat. for funds is "NA". I'm looking at SMD, and it has nice aggregate number for mgt. which is holding the stock (39%); the weekly chart looks like I'd want to watch it; earnings are very nice as is cash flow; it has no debt and ROE is a spectacular 59%. However, not knowing how many funds are holding the stock gives me pause. How do you analyze a stock when the everything else seems nice, but funds say "NA"? jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: [CANSLIM] APPX Date: 06 Nov 2002 09:42:10 -0600 This stock just jumped 10%. Fundies look strong, but wondering on everyone's interpretation of the chart. From the weekly chart, it looks like the stock is now breaking out of a cup with no handle, PP=$22.10, but if you look at a daily chart, if looks like maybe cwh, with around the same pivot point, but the volume action in the handle is all wrong, all above average, rather than drying up. Any help would be appreciated. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sol Mayer Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] selling rules question Date: 06 Nov 2002 08:06:13 -0800 (PST) --0-100372118-1036598773=:17939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what's Murphy's Law Everytime I take my 20% gain i.e FDP RYL etc it goes on to be 100% winner and whenever I try to hold on to get the big winner I usually end up breaking even or losing a little. GO FIGURE! Tom Worley wrote:Mike, I like to start with the standard max of an 8% stop loss set from my entry point, so long as that also puts it just under the bottom of the base line. Once I am up at least 15%, I prefer to then raise my stop loss to a break even, then if things keep moving up, also move the stop loss to a trailing 15%. Granted, I tend to usually do this in my head, and usually works better when I use hard stops. I rarely sell part of the position for only a 20% gain. I invest for long term, and rarely without an expectation / goal of at least 100% gain. If I feel compelled to sell for only a 20% gain, then normally I sell the entire position. That also keeps the cost of commission from becoming a measurable factor for me. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:59 PM All, I know I have asked similar questions in the past, but not sure if I have addressed this one: If you have bought a stock, and watched it rise , say 15-20%, and being conservative, you have sold 1/2 your position to lock in those profits, for the other half, do you use a trailing stop (mental or real) to lock in a minimum profit on the rest, say 5%, or do you allow it to drop as low as the 7-8% below your original buy point, or maybe just to a break even point? The reason I ask is the somewhat confusing statement that WON makes in his book about never letting a gain turn into a loss. But how much of a gain do you have to get before you move up the stop loss from 7-8% below buy point to a break even point, without unnecessarily getting pushed out of a otherwise good stock that might just be undergoing a normal correction? Also, assuming that you capital is small, such that the commission fees are not negligible, do you include the costs of the trades in calculating the sell prices? Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now --0-100372118-1036598773=:17939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

what's Murphy's Law   Everytime I take my 20% gain i.e FDP RYL etc it goes on to be 100% winner and whenever I try to hold on to get the big winner I usually end up breaking even or losing a little. GO FIGURE!

 Tom Worley <stkguru@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Mike, I like to start with the standard max of an 8% stop loss set from my
entry point, so long as that also puts it just under the bottom of the base
line. Once I am up at least 15%, I prefer to then raise my stop loss to a
break even, then if things keep moving up, also move the stop loss to a
trailing 15%. Granted, I tend to usually do this in my head, and usually
works better when I use hard stops.

I rarely sell part of the position for only a 20% gain. I invest for long
term, and rarely without an expectation / goal of at least 100% gain. If I
feel compelled to sell for only a 20% gain, then normally I sell the entire
position. That also keeps the cost of commission from becoming a measurable
factor for me.

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:59 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] selling rules question


All,

I know I have asked similar questions in the past, but not sure if I have
addressed this one:

If you have bought a stock, and watched it rise , say 15-20%, and being
conservative, you have sold 1/2 your position to lock in those profits, for
the other half, do you use a trailing stop (mental or real) to lock in a
minimum profit on the rest, say 5%, or do you allow it to drop as low as
the 7-8% below your original buy point, or maybe just to a break even
point?

The reason I ask is the somewhat confusing statement that WON makes in his
book about never letting a gain turn into a loss. But how much of a gain do
you have to get before you move up the stop loss from 7-8% below buy point
to a break even point, without unnecessarily getting pushed out of a
otherwise good stock that might just be undergoing a normal correction?

Also, assuming that you capital is small, such that the commission fees are
not negligible, do you include the costs of the trades in calculating the
sell prices?

Thanks

Mike

Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. Principal Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847) 270-4525
michael_niemotka@baxter.com



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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FCBP Date: 06 Nov 2002 11:05:44 -0600 It looks like it is forming a handle, with a pivot point around $31.89, but I think for a double bottom, or W pattern, the second dip is supposed to undercut the first one. This is a stock that is on my watch list, for the reasons you outlined. Anyone else? Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Kelly Short" cc: Sent by: Subject: [CANSLIM] FCBP owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 11/06/2002 10:45 AM Please respond to canslim Noticed FCBP appears to be making a double bottom (opinions?) and has decent fundamentals (Last QTR Sales up 114%, Prior QTR EPS up 38%, Mgmt owns 35%). Volume appears to be picking up substantially over the past two days. What are the rules for buying double bottoms? Do they form a handle or do you purchase at the pivot the first time it hits? Also, FCBP is about to break a 2 Year price high of $32. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] APPX Date: 06 Nov 2002 12:14:08 -0500 Seems to me the breakout of a C&H was on 10/10, with a pivot under 18. Recent activity is a correction, not a second base IMO. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:42 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] APPX > > > This stock just jumped 10%. Fundies look strong, but wondering on > everyone's interpretation of the chart. From the weekly > chart, it looks > like the stock is now breaking out of a cup with no handle, > PP=$22.10, but > if you look at a daily chart, if looks like maybe cwh, with > around the same > pivot point, but the volume action in the handle is all > wrong, all above > average, rather than drying up. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" Date: 06 Nov 2002 09:50:29 -0800 And here I am putting on short positions again! Ahhhh ... the conflicting opinions that make a market :) Cheers, Ian ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:13 AM > looks to me like the conflict between a double bottom (bullish) and a > potential head and shoulders (bearish) on several major indexes is now being > resolved in favor of the bulls. With the Republicans taking control of > Congress yesterday, and the likely 25 BP cut in rates by FOMC at 2:15 PM or > so today, this rally just might have the legs to extend a way higher and > make the 20% level from the October low. If so, that makes it officially a > bull rally, and potentially the start of a new bull market. > > Only time (and institutions committing big money from the sidelines) will > tell. Stay tuned. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@bellsouth.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Short" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp Date: 06 Nov 2002 15:55:14 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C285DF.2FF0F652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, =20 So- then your OSIS selection is not based on a chart formation but = rather association by industry. I see. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:47 PM part of their business is system security, like the sequential growth = top and bottom, and earnings forecast, especially in a period where = corps are supposedly not spending. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:40 PM Um...... why OSIS? -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:28 PM bought ISSX, NSCN and OSIS today, looking for more in the net / computer = security sector =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:11 PM You left out the part IM interested in, what are you buying these days? 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part of their business is system security, = like the=20 sequential growth top and bottom, and earnings forecast, especially in = a=20 period where corps are supposedly not spending.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Kelly Short
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish = camp

Um...... why OSIS?
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 04, = 2002=20 10:28 PM
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Subject:=20 Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp

bought ISSX, NSCN and OSIS today, looking = for more in=20 the net / computer security sector
 
----- Original Message -----=20
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Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish = camp

You left out the part IM interested = in, what are=20 you buying these days?

Chris
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partially correct, Kelly, the security angle was = what=20 caught my interest. The chart is pretty ugly still, I saw it bumping = along at=20 the low side of a consolidation pattern, looks to me like a low risk = entry for=20 the patient long term investor, and with a trailing PE below S&P500 = despite=20 excellent growth, I felt (and still do) that fundies and association = with the=20 security sector will win out.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Kelly Short
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish camp

Tom,
 
So-=20 then your OSIS selection is not based on a chart formation but rather=20 association by industry. I see.
-----Original Message-----
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part of their business is system security, = like the=20 sequential growth top and bottom, and earnings forecast, especially in = a=20 period where corps are supposedly not spending.
 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] back in the bullish = camp

Um...... why OSIS?
-----Original Message-----
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bought ISSX, NSCN and OSIS today, looking = for more in=20 the net / computer security sector
 
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The funds ownership report at the end of Q4 may answer this issue. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 10:42 AM This stock just jumped 10%. Fundies look strong, but wondering on everyone's interpretation of the chart. From the weekly chart, it looks like the stock is now breaking out of a cup with no handle, PP=$22.10, but if you look at a daily chart, if looks like maybe cwh, with around the same pivot point, but the volume action in the handle is all wrong, all above average, rather than drying up. Any help would be appreciated. Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FCBP Date: 06 Nov 2002 23:25:49 -0500 Kelly, first some comments on the chart and its fundies. To me, earnings are way too erratic. Past 8 qtrs were minus 20%, +9%, zero, +29%, +13%, minus 9%, +38%, +6%. To make the full year forecast, they have to show 49 cents in Q4, which looks questionable to me. And with sales up 114% in the latest qtr, but earnings only up 6%, suggests to me that margins are being hurt. Chart wise, I see nothing resembling a double bottom (remember you want to see something that looks like the letter "W"). This is particularly clear on a weekly chart, the daily chart is too confusing for me. On the weekly, if I had to force fit it into any specific pattern, it would be a LLUR, but a volatile one. As for your general question on buying a double bottom, normally your pivot is just over the center point of the "W" formation. But if it started to form a handle below that level, and was otherwise a strong "W" pattern (second down leg undercut the first, volume in the right places of the pattern as well as on up and down days), then I would give more weight to the handle forming, and use the high point in the handle as the pivot if / when I saw at least 2X ADV. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:45 AM Noticed FCBP appears to be making a double bottom (opinions?) and has decent fundamentals (Last QTR Sales up 114%, Prior QTR EPS up 38%, Mgmt owns 35%). Volume appears to be picking up substantially over the past two days. What are the rules for buying double bottoms? Do they form a handle or do you purchase at the pivot the first time it hits? Also, FCBP is about to break a 2 Year price high of $32. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] PCLE Date: 07 Nov 2002 00:13:35 -0500 Robin, while the May action may have been a b/o of sorts, it was followed by a correction that undercut the b/o, and threatened the base formed before that. I would agree with the long c&h pattern, which would now mean the stock is too extended to buy, but well worth holding onto. Should it return to the 12-13 level and show more basing, might be a decent second entry point. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 6:51 PM Looks to me like this one had a strong BO on a nice Cw/H on good volume. RS and Industry Rank look good, with good year on year growth... except for the last quarter. But I have a question - Is this the second base this chart has formed in the past 12 months? I think I see the first one that started in December '02, ending with a breakout in early May. I'm trying to get a handle on this keeping track as a stock forms multiple bases thing..... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: [CANSLIM] screen of the day Date: 07 Nov 2002 08:44:33 -0600 Can someone please send me the SOD for 11-5. I missed it. Thanks Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Re. REIT Date: 07 Nov 2002 16:34:47 EST I recall several days ago, someone in this forum used REITs as a proxy=20 for buying bonds/utility-stocks. =20 Well, I don't follow REITs, but today in IBD's Best Up Earning News AMC= =20 made the list with a 46% increase in Earnings (also a 66% & 78.1% increase i= n=20 sales and After Tax Margin, respectively). It seems to me as if AMC is in a flat base (or middle of the trough in=20= a=20 saucer and handle formation). The Pivot Point, I believe, would be at=20 15-15=BE, and it closed at 13.18, +=BC on about 70% ADV. The 50 DMA is a sm= idge=20 below the 200 DMA (and both are level-falling). The yield is a hefty 11.4%, debt is 0 and PE is only 8. (With numbers=20 like this you wonder why more institutions aren't buying REITs [funds=20 invested are only 1% of the float]) jans =20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Solarno" Subject: [CANSLIM] Let's play "Where are they now?" Date: 07 Nov 2002 21:50:55 -0500 Every weekend, I download a copy of a detailed report off of a website we all know and love that contains all of the pricing data, earnings ratings, relative strength ratings, etc. for several thousand stocks as of the end of the preceding week. I keep all of those reports on my hard drive, thinking they might prove useful SOMEDAY. Tonight, just for fun, I decided to play a game I call "Where Are They Now?" I went back to a report I ran about 30 trading days ago and, using Excel and some current pricing data, I did a very clumsy analysis of the report to see where all of these stocks now stood, subtotaled by various criteria. (For example, how did stocks with an earnings rating between 80-99 vs. stocks with an earnings rating of 70-79 perform in the last 30 trading days?) The results were startling, even if my analysis was, as I said, pretty crude. I merely looked at price today vs. price 30 trading days ago and then sorted and subtotaled by various criteria. (I'm sure a statistician would have a field day pointing out the faults in my methods.) Here was the part that surprised me: the worse the ratings, the better the stock performance! It seemed as if no matter which criteria I used, the "bottom of the barrel" ended up out-performing what are usually referred to as "the top-rated stocks." Here are the results. (The percentage shown is the average percentage increase of all stocks in a given category.) I have been very careful to make sure that I am not violating any copyright laws or user agreements, so in each case, I have invented a annoyingly cute or confusing name/description of my own invention for each criterion just to make sure I won't get in trouble. I also make no claims as to what any of this analysis means. I merely offer it up for amusement. (But earlier this week, the Large Picture in that newspaper we all read DID mention that the only people making any money right now were the bottom fishers! I guess they weren't kidding!) One last heartening note: notice that all of the percentages are positive. That means that even though some stocks went into the toilet, overall, prices were up. John ----------------------- CRITERIA: The rating of the growth of a company's sales, their margin on profit and the return on their equity. (I've assigned a fake letter grade of my own invention which mimics the real thing. "V" is presumably the best letter grade, "Z" the worst.) V = 3.4% W = 3.58% X - 4.68% Y = 5.57% Z = 10.60% CRITERIA: The stock's earnings per share 90-99: 2.82% 80-89: 3.58% 70-79: 1.75% 60-69: 3.75% 50-59: 4.07% 40-49: 7.17% 30-39: 5.74% 20-29: 8.01% 10-19: 6.19% 0-9: 9.05% CRITERIA: The stock's strength, all things being relative 90-99: 1.67% 80-89: 3.01% 70-79: 3.39% 60-69: 3.15% 50-59: 2.63% 40-49: 4.22% 30-39: 5.70% 20-29: 4.67% 10-19: 10.19% 0-9: 10.47% CRITERIA: Rating of the stock's group strength, all things being relative 90-99: 0.87% 80-89: 2.28% 70-79: 0.18% 60-69: 1.98% 50-59: 0.45% 40-49: 4.53% 30-39: 8.94% 20-29: 10.39% 10-19: 6.24% 0-9: 15.34% - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Let's play "Where are they now?" Date: 07 Nov 2002 22:53:53 -0500 rats, John, you are giving away all my secrets to my personal success. I much prefer future winners to current winners, looking for the stock that is producing superb fundies, and shining in its group, while the group remains way out of favor. Seems most of my best stocks when I found them were in groups rated "D" or "E" at the time, as is also typical of my watch list. For me to focus in on the internet / computer security sector was novel, first time I was remotely "group oriented", or recognized the potential of an entire sector in time to not only research it, but to enter before the rest of the market already priced everything out of reach. Next 18 months will tell if I was correct in my assessments. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:50 PM Every weekend, I download a copy of a detailed report off of a website we all know and love that contains all of the pricing data, earnings ratings, relative strength ratings, etc. for several thousand stocks as of the end of the preceding week. I keep all of those reports on my hard drive, thinking they might prove useful SOMEDAY. Tonight, just for fun, I decided to play a game I call "Where Are They Now?" I went back to a report I ran about 30 trading days ago and, using Excel and some current pricing data, I did a very clumsy analysis of the report to see where all of these stocks now stood, subtotaled by various criteria. (For example, how did stocks with an earnings rating between 80-99 vs. stocks with an earnings rating of 70-79 perform in the last 30 trading days?) The results were startling, even if my analysis was, as I said, pretty crude. I merely looked at price today vs. price 30 trading days ago and then sorted and subtotaled by various criteria. (I'm sure a statistician would have a field day pointing out the faults in my methods.) Here was the part that surprised me: the worse the ratings, the better the stock performance! It seemed as if no matter which criteria I used, the "bottom of the barrel" ended up out-performing what are usually referred to as "the top-rated stocks." Here are the results. (The percentage shown is the average percentage increase of all stocks in a given category.) I have been very careful to make sure that I am not violating any copyright laws or user agreements, so in each case, I have invented a annoyingly cute or confusing name/description of my own invention for each criterion just to make sure I won't get in trouble. I also make no claims as to what any of this analysis means. I merely offer it up for amusement. (But earlier this week, the Large Picture in that newspaper we all read DID mention that the only people making any money right now were the bottom fishers! I guess they weren't kidding!) One last heartening note: notice that all of the percentages are positive. That means that even though some stocks went into the toilet, overall, prices were up. John ----------------------- CRITERIA: The rating of the growth of a company's sales, their margin on profit and the return on their equity. (I've assigned a fake letter grade of my own invention which mimics the real thing. "V" is presumably the best letter grade, "Z" the worst.) V = 3.4% W = 3.58% X - 4.68% Y = 5.57% Z = 10.60% CRITERIA: The stock's earnings per share 90-99: 2.82% 80-89: 3.58% 70-79: 1.75% 60-69: 3.75% 50-59: 4.07% 40-49: 7.17% 30-39: 5.74% 20-29: 8.01% 10-19: 6.19% 0-9: 9.05% CRITERIA: The stock's strength, all things being relative 90-99: 1.67% 80-89: 3.01% 70-79: 3.39% 60-69: 3.15% 50-59: 2.63% 40-49: 4.22% 30-39: 5.70% 20-29: 4.67% 10-19: 10.19% 0-9: 10.47% CRITERIA: Rating of the stock's group strength, all things being relative 90-99: 0.87% 80-89: 2.28% 70-79: 0.18% 60-69: 1.98% 50-59: 0.45% 40-49: 4.53% 30-39: 8.94% 20-29: 10.39% 10-19: 6.24% 0-9: 15.34% - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Let's play "Where are they now?" Date: 07 Nov 2002 20:11:03 -0800 (PST) So could we conclude this means sector rotation? Doesn't September mark the end of the old year for funds (and the chance to abandon old stuff) while October is a fresh start. My 2 cents Kent Norman --- John Solarno wrote: > Every weekend, I download a copy of a detailed report off of a > website > we all know and love that contains all of the pricing data, earnings > ratings, relative strength ratings, etc. for several thousand stocks > as > of the end of the preceding week. I keep all of those reports on my > hard drive, thinking they might prove useful SOMEDAY. > > Tonight, just for fun, I decided to play a game I call "Where Are > They > Now?" I went back to a report I ran about 30 trading days ago and, > using > Excel and some current pricing data, I did a very clumsy analysis of > the > report to see where all of these stocks now stood, subtotaled by > various > criteria. (For example, how did stocks with an earnings rating > between > 80-99 vs. stocks with an earnings rating of 70-79 perform in the last > 30 > trading days?) > > The results were startling, even if my analysis was, as I said, > pretty > crude. I merely looked at price today vs. price 30 trading days ago > and > then sorted and subtotaled by various criteria. (I'm sure a > statistician > would have a field day pointing out the faults in my methods.) > > Here was the part that surprised me: the worse the ratings, the > better > the stock performance! It seemed as if no matter which criteria I > used, > the "bottom of the barrel" ended up out-performing what are usually > referred to as "the top-rated stocks." > > Here are the results. (The percentage shown is the average > percentage > increase of all stocks in a given category.) I have been very careful > to > make sure that I am not violating any copyright laws or user > agreements, > so in each case, I have invented a annoyingly cute or confusing > name/description of my own invention for each criterion just to make > sure I won't get in trouble. > > I also make no claims as to what any of this analysis means. I > merely > offer it up for amusement. (But earlier this week, the Large Picture > in > that newspaper we all read DID mention that the only people making > any > money right now were the bottom fishers! I guess they weren't > kidding!) > > One last heartening note: notice that all of the percentages are > positive. That means that even though some stocks went into the > toilet, > overall, prices were up. > > John > > > ----------------------- > > > CRITERIA: The rating of the growth of a company's sales, their margin > on > profit and the return on their equity. (I've assigned a fake letter > grade of my own invention which mimics the real thing. "V" is > presumably > the best letter grade, "Z" the worst.) > > V = 3.4% > W = 3.58% > X - 4.68% > Y = 5.57% > Z = 10.60% > > CRITERIA: The stock's earnings per share > > 90-99: 2.82% > 80-89: 3.58% > 70-79: 1.75% > 60-69: 3.75% > 50-59: 4.07% > 40-49: 7.17% > 30-39: 5.74% > 20-29: 8.01% > 10-19: 6.19% > 0-9: 9.05% > > CRITERIA: The stock's strength, all things being relative > > 90-99: 1.67% > 80-89: 3.01% > 70-79: 3.39% > 60-69: 3.15% > 50-59: 2.63% > 40-49: 4.22% > 30-39: 5.70% > 20-29: 4.67% > 10-19: 10.19% > 0-9: 10.47% > > CRITERIA: Rating of the stock's group strength, all things being > relative > > 90-99: 0.87% > 80-89: 2.28% > 70-79: 0.18% > 60-69: 1.98% > 50-59: 0.45% > 40-49: 4.53% > 30-39: 8.94% > 20-29: 10.39% > 10-19: 6.24% > 0-9: 15.34% > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ===== There are 3 kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Back-Burners; Steady-Eddies; Rocking-Chair Date: 07 Nov 2002 23:18:23 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C286B3.F7C97C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gene, I recently ventured into this to a degree, trying to find = something to buy for the grandkids (Lili and Ely, so LLY was the first = one I took a look at, seemed like a natural). Dividend was a decent 2.4% = yield or so, but chart looked terrible, so I didn't pick it up for them = at 48 and change. Now a few months later sitting in the high 50s to low = 60s, you can hear the sound of the thumps as I kick my butt. For me, trying to analyze a big cap stock with slow growth, but going to = still be around in ten years, steadily making money (unless it's bought = out, a possibility with LLY), has been difficult and still trying to get = the hang of it. ----- Original Message -----=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:08 PM Interested in learning how to modify the CANSLIM criteria in order to = locate stocks to buy 'for Mom'. Anyone have something they are willing = to share? Thanks, Gene ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C286B3.F7C97C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gene, I recently ventured into this to a degree, = trying to=20 find something to buy for the grandkids (Lili and Ely, so LLY was the = first one=20 I took a look at, seemed like a natural). Dividend was a decent 2.4% = yield or=20 so, but chart looked terrible, so I didn't pick it up for them at 48 and = change.=20 Now a few months later sitting in the high 50s to low 60s, you can hear = the=20 sound of the thumps as I kick my butt.
 
For me, trying to analyze a big cap stock with = slow=20 growth, but going to still be around in ten years, steadily making money = (unless=20 it's bought out, a possibility with LLY), has been difficult and still = trying to=20 get the hang of it.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gene Ricci =
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:08 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Back-Burners; Steady-Eddies;=20 Rocking-Chair

Interested in learning how to modify = the CANSLIM=20 criteria in order to locate stocks to buy 'for Mom'. Anyone have = something they=20 are willing to share?
 
Thanks,
Gene
------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C286B3.F7C97C00-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robin Gridley" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Let's play "Where are they now?" Date: 07 Nov 2002 21:16:19 -0800 So THAT'S the problem with my Fidelity funds all this time... they've only been buyin' the good rated stuff! (Note to self... send Fidelity an email to start buying the crappy looking stocks....) -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Solarno Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:51 PM Every weekend, I download a copy of a detailed report off of a website we all know and love that contains all of the pricing data, earnings ratings, relative strength ratings, etc. for several thousand stocks as of the end of the preceding week. I keep all of those reports on my hard drive, thinking they might prove useful SOMEDAY. Tonight, just for fun, I decided to play a game I call "Where Are They Now?" I went back to a report I ran about 30 trading days ago and, using Excel and some current pricing data, I did a very clumsy analysis of the report to see where all of these stocks now stood, subtotaled by various criteria. (For example, how did stocks with an earnings rating between 80-99 vs. stocks with an earnings rating of 70-79 perform in the last 30 trading days?) The results were startling, even if my analysis was, as I said, pretty crude. I merely looked at price today vs. price 30 trading days ago and then sorted and subtotaled by various criteria. (I'm sure a statistician would have a field day pointing out the faults in my methods.) Here was the part that surprised me: the worse the ratings, the better the stock performance! It seemed as if no matter which criteria I used, the "bottom of the barrel" ended up out-performing what are usually referred to as "the top-rated stocks." Here are the results. (The percentage shown is the average percentage increase of all stocks in a given category.) I have been very careful to make sure that I am not violating any copyright laws or user agreements, so in each case, I have invented a annoyingly cute or confusing name/description of my own invention for each criterion just to make sure I won't get in trouble. I also make no claims as to what any of this analysis means. I merely offer it up for amusement. (But earlier this week, the Large Picture in that newspaper we all read DID mention that the only people making any money right now were the bottom fishers! I guess they weren't kidding!) One last heartening note: notice that all of the percentages are positive. That means that even though some stocks went into the toilet, overall, prices were up. John ----------------------- CRITERIA: The rating of the growth of a company's sales, their margin on profit and the return on their equity. (I've assigned a fake letter grade of my own invention which mimics the real thing. "V" is presumably the best letter grade, "Z" the worst.) V = 3.4% W = 3.58% X - 4.68% Y = 5.57% Z = 10.60% CRITERIA: The stock's earnings per share 90-99: 2.82% 80-89: 3.58% 70-79: 1.75% 60-69: 3.75% 50-59: 4.07% 40-49: 7.17% 30-39: 5.74% 20-29: 8.01% 10-19: 6.19% 0-9: 9.05% CRITERIA: The stock's strength, all things being relative 90-99: 1.67% 80-89: 3.01% 70-79: 3.39% 60-69: 3.15% 50-59: 2.63% 40-49: 4.22% 30-39: 5.70% 20-29: 4.67% 10-19: 10.19% 0-9: 10.47% CRITERIA: Rating of the stock's group strength, all things being relative 90-99: 0.87% 80-89: 2.28% 70-79: 0.18% 60-69: 1.98% 50-59: 0.45% 40-49: 4.53% 30-39: 8.94% 20-29: 10.39% 10-19: 6.24% 0-9: 15.34% - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larry Worden" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Let's play "Where are they now?" Date: 08 Nov 2002 06:20:57 -0800 Robin, thanks for the work. I have also looked at this. The bottom groups have more up potential when the market turns up, but more down potential when the market turns down? I would like to see your % when the market turns down. Lary ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:16 PM > So THAT'S the problem with my Fidelity funds all this time... they've > only been buyin' the good rated stuff! (Note to self... send Fidelity > an email to start buying the crappy looking stocks....) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Solarno > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:51 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: [CANSLIM] Let's play "Where are they now?" > > > Every weekend, I download a copy of a detailed report off of a website > we all know and love that contains all of the pricing data, earnings > ratings, relative strength ratings, etc. for several thousand stocks as > of the end of the preceding week. I keep all of those reports on my > hard drive, thinking they might prove useful SOMEDAY. > > Tonight, just for fun, I decided to play a game I call "Where Are They > Now?" I went back to a report I ran about 30 trading days ago and, using > Excel and some current pricing data, I did a very clumsy analysis of the > report to see where all of these stocks now stood, subtotaled by various > criteria. (For example, how did stocks with an earnings rating between > 80-99 vs. stocks with an earnings rating of 70-79 perform in the last 30 > trading days?) > > The results were startling, even if my analysis was, as I said, pretty > crude. I merely looked at price today vs. price 30 trading days ago and > then sorted and subtotaled by various criteria. (I'm sure a statistician > would have a field day pointing out the faults in my methods.) > > Here was the part that surprised me: the worse the ratings, the better > the stock performance! It seemed as if no matter which criteria I used, > the "bottom of the barrel" ended up out-performing what are usually > referred to as "the top-rated stocks." > > Here are the results. (The percentage shown is the average percentage > increase of all stocks in a given category.) I have been very careful to > make sure that I am not violating any copyright laws or user agreements, > so in each case, I have invented a annoyingly cute or confusing > name/description of my own invention for each criterion just to make > sure I won't get in trouble. > > I also make no claims as to what any of this analysis means. I merely > offer it up for amusement. (But earlier this week, the Large Picture in > that newspaper we all read DID mention that the only people making any > money right now were the bottom fishers! I guess they weren't kidding!) > > One last heartening note: notice that all of the percentages are > positive. That means that even though some stocks went into the toilet, > overall, prices were up. > > John > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------- > > > CRITERIA: The rating of the growth of a company's sales, their margin on > profit and the return on their equity. (I've assigned a fake letter > grade of my own invention which mimics the real thing. "V" is presumably > the best letter grade, "Z" the worst.) > > V = 3.4% > W = 3.58% > X - 4.68% > Y = 5.57% > Z = 10.60% > > CRITERIA: The stock's earnings per share > > 90-99: 2.82% > 80-89: 3.58% > 70-79: 1.75% > 60-69: 3.75% > 50-59: 4.07% > 40-49: 7.17% > 30-39: 5.74% > 20-29: 8.01% > 10-19: 6.19% > 0-9: 9.05% > > CRITERIA: The stock's strength, all things being relative > > 90-99: 1.67% > 80-89: 3.01% > 70-79: 3.39% > 60-69: 3.15% > 50-59: 2.63% > 40-49: 4.22% > 30-39: 5.70% > 20-29: 4.67% > 10-19: 10.19% > 0-9: 10.47% > > CRITERIA: Rating of the stock's group strength, all things being > relative > > 90-99: 0.87% > 80-89: 2.28% > 70-79: 0.18% > 60-69: 1.98% > 50-59: 0.45% > 40-49: 4.53% > 30-39: 8.94% > 20-29: 10.39% > 10-19: 6.24% > 0-9: 15.34% > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Fred Richards" Subject: [CANSLIM] Will the bear market rally continue? Date: 08 Nov 2002 08:41:10 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C28702.96578E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The number of A rated stocks in IBD's Accumulation/Distribution ratings have increased. Does this portend good things for this rally? The charts can be viewed at: http://www.adrich.com/SI/Info/A's.htm ---- Fred Richards Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. [The more corrupt a republic, the more laws.] - - Tacitus, Annuals III 27 www.adrich.com ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C28702.96578E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The = number of A=20 rated stocks in IBD's Accumulation/Distribution ratings have = increased. =20 Does this portend good things for this rally?
 
The = charts can be=20 viewed at:
 
http://www.adrich.com/SI/I= nfo/A's.htm
 
Fred Richards
 
Corruptisima republica plurimae = leges.  [The=20 more corrupt a republic, the more laws.]  - - Tacitus, Annuals III=20 27
 
www.adrich.com
 
------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C28702.96578E40-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Sanghvi" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Will the bear market rally continue? Date: 08 Nov 2002 09:43:09 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C2870B.3F3DF410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fred, This is pretty encouraging. The A's have been one of the best indicators of the market I have seen so far. Rocky -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Fred Richards Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:41 AM The number of A rated stocks in IBD's Accumulation/Distribution ratings have increased. Does this portend good things for this rally? The charts can be viewed at: http://www.adrich.com/SI/Info/A's.htm _____ Fred Richards Corruptisima republica plurimae leges. [The more corrupt a republic, the more laws.] - - Tacitus, Annuals III 27 www.adrich.com ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C2870B.3F3DF410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fred,

 

This is pretty encouraging.  = The A’s have been one of the best indicators of the market I have seen so = far. 

 

Rocky

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Fred Richards
Sent: Friday, November = 08, 2002 9:41 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] Will = the bear market rally continue?

 

The number of A rated = stocks in IBD's Accumulation/Distribution ratings have increased.  Does this = portend good things for this rally?

 

The charts can be viewed = at:

 

 

Fred = Richards

 

Corruptisima republica = plurimae leges.  [The more corrupt a republic, the more laws.]  - - = Tacitus, Annuals III 27

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C2870B.3F3DF410-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Subject: [CANSLIM] STST Date: 08 Nov 2002 08:12:34 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_z5doA8kZGzFt0xiidJwXog) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all: I can't even remember the last time I proposed a stock to the group ... but here goes: STST is a Nasdaq Small Cap stock, with an ADV of just 7000 shares, trading at $9.30 right now. I do not know their EPS/RS numbers as IBD doesn't seem to print them anymore for the Small Caps. The company is Sensytech (STST - Nasdaq Small Cap). They are a defense contractor that manufactures passive surveillance systems - early warning systems, airborne imaging systems, communications reconnaissance systems, shipboard support systems etc... The current interest/growth in homeland security seems to bode well for Sensytech, as their backlog has increased a whopping 635% through the first 9 months of the year. For their June Q this year, they made $0.16 per share on revenue of $9,000,000 (compared to $0.08 per share on revenue of $4.1 million a year earlier). They currently only have about 4,000,000 shares outstanding, but they did file a share registration in late August to issue a secondary of 2,000,000 shares. I do not know the status of this, and realize that it is definitely a 'question mark' on the stock right now. With this week's Republican victory in the House and Senate, I've got to figure that these 'under the radar' defense/security stocks have a big chance of becoming insitutional darlings over the next 2 years, as their revenues and earnings ramp. I have no idea what the current institutional interest in STST is though. The chart is very interesting to me right now. They have been flat-lining for many months now, with $9.25 as a 4-month resistance level, and with $10.46 as the 52-week high. There have been 3 days in the past week (including the last 2 days), where ADV is much higher than normal (around 20,000) - so there has definitely been some accumulation going on. There is resistance here at the $9.25-$9.30 level, again at $10, and at the high of $10.50. I suspect they will report Q3 earnings next week. For those with a tolerance/taste for "illiquid CANSLIM", STST is one to watch for a significant, sustained increase in ADV, and a penetration through support levels. Cheers, Ian --Boundary_(ID_z5doA8kZGzFt0xiidJwXog) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi all:
 
I can't even remember the last time I proposed a stock to the group ... but here goes:
 
STST is a Nasdaq Small Cap stock, with an ADV of just 7000 shares, trading at $9.30 right now. I do not know their EPS/RS numbers as IBD doesn't seem to print them anymore for the Small Caps.
 
The company is Sensytech (STST - Nasdaq Small Cap). They are a defense contractor that manufactures passive surveillance systems - early warning systems, airborne imaging systems, communications reconnaissance systems, shipboard support systems etc... The current interest/growth in homeland security seems to bode well for Sensytech, as their backlog has increased a whopping 635% through the first 9 months of the year.
 
For their June Q this year, they made $0.16 per share on revenue of $9,000,000 (compared to $0.08 per share on revenue of $4.1 million a year earlier).
 
They currently only have about 4,000,000 shares outstanding, but they did file a share registration in late August to issue a secondary of 2,000,000 shares. I do not know the status of this, and realize that it is definitely a 'question mark' on the stock right now.
 
With this week's Republican victory in the House and Senate, I've got to figure that these 'under the radar' defense/security stocks have a big chance of becoming insitutional darlings over the next 2 years, as their revenues and earnings ramp. I have no idea what the current institutional interest in STST is though.
 
The chart is very interesting to me right now. They have been flat-lining for many months now, with $9.25 as a 4-month resistance level, and with $10.46 as the 52-week high. There have been 3 days in the past week (including the last 2 days), where ADV is much higher than normal (around 20,000) - so there has definitely been some accumulation going on. There is resistance here at the $9.25-$9.30 level, again at $10, and at the high of $10.50.
 
I suspect they will report Q3 earnings next week.
 
For those with a tolerance/taste for "illiquid CANSLIM", STST is one to watch for a significant, sustained increase in ADV, and a penetration through support levels.
 
 
Cheers,
 
Ian
--Boundary_(ID_z5doA8kZGzFt0xiidJwXog)-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rjjick@att.net Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] STST Date: 09 Nov 2002 19:50:45 +0000 Hi. Just to introduce myself: Jeanne Jickling, a long-time lurker, who enjoys this board and values it for educational reasons, thanks to the many generous contributors. Ian: I checked STST on the Investor's Business Daily website which I access as a subscriber to IBD. STST rates a C+, a 72 score. EPS 87, RS 91, industry group strength D+; Sales,Profit Margin,Return on Equity A, Acc/Distribution B+. Letter ranks: Technical C+, Fundamental C, Attractiveness B-, Group Technical C, Group Fundamental C. > Hi all: > > I can't even remember the last time I proposed a stock to the group ... but here > goes: > > STST is a Nasdaq Small Cap stock, with an ADV of just 7000 shares, trading at > $9.30 right now. I do not know their EPS/RS numbers as IBD doesn't seem to print > them anymore for the Small Caps. > > The company is Sensytech (STST - Nasdaq Small Cap). They are a defense > contractor that manufactures passive surveillance systems - early warning > systems, airborne imaging systems, communications reconnaissance systems, > shipboard support systems etc... The current interest/growth in homeland > security seems to bode well for Sensytech, as their backlog has increased a > whopping 635% through the first 9 months of the year. > > For their June Q this year, they made $0.16 per share on revenue of $9,000,000 > (compared to $0.08 per share on revenue of $4.1 million a year earlier). > > They currently only have about 4,000,000 shares outstanding, but they did file a > share registration in late August to issue a secondary of 2,000,000 shares. I do > not know the status of this, and realize that it is definitely a 'question mark' > on the stock right now. > > With this week's Republican victory in the House and Senate, I've got to figure > that these 'under the radar' defense/security stocks have a big chance of > becoming insitutional darlings over the next 2 years, as their revenues and > earnings ramp. I have no idea what the current institutional interest in STST is > though. > > The chart is very interesting to me right now. They have been flat-lining for > many months now, with $9.25 as a 4-month resistance level, and with $10.46 as > the 52-week high. There have been 3 days in the past week (including the last 2 > days), where ADV is much higher than normal (around 20,000) - so there has > definitely been some accumulation going on. There is resistance here at the > $9.25-$9.30 level, again at $10, and at the high of $10.50. > > I suspect they will report Q3 earnings next week. > > For those with a tolerance/taste for "illiquid CANSLIM", STST is one to watch > for a significant, sustained increase in ADV, and a penetration through support > levels. > > > Cheers, > > Ian - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview Date: 09 Nov 2002 20:03:29 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019D_01C2882B.123AF460 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_019E_01C2882B.123AF460" ------=_NextPart_001_019E_01C2882B.123AF460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ECONOMICS Commerce Dept says orders for US manufacturing goods declined 2.3% in = September, bad but not as bad as the 3.0% decline expected. Most of the = drop came from a loss in demand for aircraft. They also revised the = durable goods component from the prior reported 5.9% drop to only 4.9%. The Challenger survey showed that planned job cuts, based on announced = layoff notices, rocketed to over 176K in October, highest since last = January. Good thing unemployment is a lagging indicator, I guess. May = just be an overreaction to September hitting a 22 month low. Continuing a trend seen for some time, the ISM index for = non-manufacturing sector (service, in simple words, as opposed to making = something) continued to expand, but at a steadily slower rate. Came in = at 53.1 for October, down from September's 53.9. Expectations were even = worse, at 52.0. FOMC cuts rates by a surprising 50 BP on Wednesday, and the markets here = and globally didn't like it. One school of thinking fears the Feds see = the economy as even worse than perceived. Another, more cynical (and = rational) recognize that any cut of any size will make no difference = short term. Either way, will be the last cut for a long time probably, = and takes us to 12 cuts so far totaling 525 BP without major recovery in = the economy. And there's only 125 BP left before they start paying us to = borrow money. Part of the decision may have hinged on Mr. G trying to = hold his team together since he voted against the two voting governors = last month that wanted to cut rates then. Wholesale inventories jumped by 0.5% in September against expectations = of only 0.2%. Biggest cause was autos, up 2.7%. Labor says we worked harder and produced more in Third Quarter as = productivity jumped 4.0% on an annual basis, up from Q2's rate of only = 1.7%. It was still below expectations of a gain of 4.2%. Unit labor = costs were up at a non-inflationary level of 0.8% and well down from = Q2's jump of 2.2%. Compensation per hour soared 4.8% (at least for some, = but not here for sure). Consumer credit growth again grew rapidly, jumping to $9.9 billion in = September, well up from August's $5.6 billion and also way over = expectations of $5.6 billion increase. gives me some hope for finding = another successful trip in EPIQ (would be my 6th), altho I want to watch = their latest $30 million private placement (then again, last time they = did that it was only about $8 million, and price went up over 50% in = less than 6 months, but those were also different times). Deflation and the Japan/USA economies - anyone interested in economics, = there is an interesting article worth reading at cnn.com http://money.cnn.com/2002/11/07/news/economy/deflation/index.htm ------- WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES=20 This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. It = is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health of CANSLIM's = "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some stocks with = constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from = (and of course doing your own due diligence). I am employed in = Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is = strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views = or opinions of my employer. I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better, = and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout = scenario. I look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria, = focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all = industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my = personal investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings forecast = for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no = due diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM = patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases = (shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR = (Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM = pattern. Rarely are any of these stocks of interest to me for my = personal investing due size, price or industry group. I will note any = stocks in which I have a current personal financial interest. The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend is stable, to = slightly increasing. ARTI - very deep cup, handle may be starting AZO - high handle on the cup CENT - high handle, nicer cup CHCO - LLUR ESPD - high handle FESX - B6, but may be failing the base HBHC - LLUR but getting volatile KSWS - c&h MNTR - rough c&h NWRE - volume on the b/o past the pivot of the double volume not = convincing NXTL - interesting c&h on a low priced big cap telecom PSUN - low volume b/o from a handle on double bottom QSII - B3 SFNT - interesting chart since the double bottom, one of my favorites = for the sector SHFL - was a nice c&h, but failing the handle b/o, and on volume SLE - B3 SXT - weak double bottom SYMC - first b/o from the handle failing on light volume UOPX - c&h, long handle, volume dropping WDC - c&h Happy hunting, and Happy Veterans Day on Monday Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley ------=_NextPart_001_019E_01C2882B.123AF460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ECONOMICS
Commerce Dept says orders for US manufacturing = goods=20 declined 2.3% in September, bad but not as bad as the 3.0% decline = expected.=20 Most of the drop came from a loss in demand for aircraft. They also = revised the=20 durable goods component from the prior reported 5.9% drop to only=20 4.9%.
 
The Challenger survey showed that planned job = cuts, based=20 on announced layoff notices, rocketed to over 176K in October, highest = since=20 last January. Good thing unemployment is a lagging indicator, I guess. = May just=20 be an overreaction to September hitting a 22 month low.
 
Continuing a trend seen for some time, the ISM = index for=20 non-manufacturing sector (service, in simple words, as opposed to making = something) continued to expand, but at a steadily slower rate. Came in = at 53.1=20 for October, down from September's 53.9. Expectations were even worse, = at=20 52.0.
 
FOMC cuts rates by a surprising 50 BP on = Wednesday, and=20 the markets here and globally didn't like it. One school of thinking = fears the=20 Feds see the economy as even worse than perceived. Another, more cynical = (and=20 rational) recognize that any cut of any size will make no difference = short term.=20 Either way, will be the last cut for a long time probably, and takes us = to 12=20 cuts so far totaling 525 BP without major recovery in the economy. And = there's=20 only 125 BP left before they start paying us to borrow money. Part of = the=20 decision may have hinged on Mr. G trying to hold his team together since = he=20 voted against the two voting governors last month that wanted to cut = rates=20 then.
 
Wholesale inventories jumped by 0.5% in = September against=20 expectations of only 0.2%. Biggest cause was autos, up = 2.7%.
 
Labor says we worked harder and produced more in = Third=20 Quarter as productivity jumped 4.0% on an annual basis, up from Q2's = rate of=20 only 1.7%. It was still below expectations of a gain of 4.2%. Unit labor = costs=20 were up at a non-inflationary level of 0.8% and well down from Q2's jump = of=20 2.2%. Compensation per hour soared 4.8% (at least for some, but not here = for=20 sure).
 
Consumer credit growth again grew rapidly, = jumping to $9.9=20 billion in September, well up from August's $5.6 billion and also way = over=20 expectations of $5.6 billion increase. gives me some hope for finding = another=20 successful trip in EPIQ (would be my 6th), altho I want to watch their = latest=20 $30 million private placement (then again, last time they did that it = was only=20 about $8 million, and price went up over 50% in less than 6 months, but = those=20 were also different times).
 
Deflation and the Japan/USA economies - anyone = interested=20 in economics, there is an interesting article worth reading at=20 cnn.com
http://money.cnn.com/2002/11/07/news/economy/deflation/index.htm
WORLEY'S WATCHLIST = WANNABES
This list is in no way intended to recommend any = stocks to=20 the group. It is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health = of=20 CANSLIM's "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some = stocks=20 with constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from (and of = course doing=20 your own due diligence). I am employed = in=20 Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is = strictly=20 my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views or = opinions of=20 my employer.
 
I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS = ranking of 80=20 or better, and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition = /=20 buyout scenario. I look at all charts that meet = this general RS/EPS=20 criteria, focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I = consider all=20 industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my = personal=20 investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings = forecast=20 for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no due diligence, that is your = responsibility. I will=20 note any CANSLIM patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) = bottoms, or=20 flat bases (shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also = note LLUR=20 (Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM = pattern. Rarely=20 are any of these stocks of interest to me for my personal investing due = size,=20 price or industry group. I will note any stocks in which I have a = current=20 personal financial interest.
 
The population of stocks I am reviewing this = weekend is=20 stable, to slightly increasing.
 
ARTI - very deep cup, handle may be starting
AZO - high handle on the cup
CENT - high handle, nicer cup
CHCO - LLUR
ESPD - high handle
FESX - B6, but may be failing the base
HBHC - LLUR but getting volatile
KSWS - c&h
MNTR - rough c&h
NWRE - volume on the b/o past the pivot of the double = volume not=20 convincing
NXTL - interesting c&h on a low priced big cap telecom
PSUN - low volume b/o from a handle on double bottom
QSII - B3
SFNT - interesting chart since the double bottom, one of my = favorites for=20 the sector
SHFL - was a nice c&h, but failing the handle b/o, and on = volume
SLE - B3
SXT - weak double bottom
SYMC - first b/o from the handle failing on light volume
UOPX - c&h, long handle, volume dropping
WDC - c&h
 
Happy hunting, and Happy Veterans Day on=20 Monday
 
3D""
Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: = TexWorley
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rogers" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] screen of the day Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:14:50 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F4_01C288B2.C48B1280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy to Mike, You might notice a slightly different appearance as I've added links to IBD quotes and autofilter to the columns. I'm new to this group but have noticed several of your posts regarding screen of the day data. I've been working on an Excel spreadsheet to index the daily sheets and do searches for specific stocks to determine which sheets they are in and which stocks appear most frequently. You are welcome to a copy of it if you like on www.excelsheets.com. Dave Rogers ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 AM > Can someone please send me the SOD for 11-5. 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karen White Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] screen of the day Date: 10 Nov 2002 09:25:02 -0800 Dave - I like the spreadsheet you attached... do you update it daily? like for Friday the 8th? Thanks, Karen At 12:14 PM 11/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Happy to Mike, > >You might notice a slightly different appearance as I've added links to IBD >quotes and autofilter to the columns. I'm new to this group but have noticed >several of your posts regarding screen of the day data. I've been working on >an Excel spreadsheet to index the daily sheets and do searches for specific >stocks to determine which sheets they are in and which stocks appear most >frequently. You are welcome to a copy of it if you like on >www.excelsheets.com. > >Dave Rogers > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 AM >Subject: [CANSLIM] screen of the day > > > > Can someone please send me the SOD for 11-5. I missed it. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > Mike Niemotka , PE > > Sr. Principal Engineer > > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > > Route 120 & Wilson Road > > Round Lake, IL 60073 > > Tel (847) 270-4075 > > Fax (847) 270-4525 > > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] screen of the day Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:28:33 -0500 Guys, be careful. Understand that the IBD/DGO copyright cops are actively lurking in this group, and will be on your trail if you post their copyrighted material. Limited amounts are usually ok, but entire batches of data will surely get you threatened with the famous FedEx letter. What still amazes me is that IBD/DGO instead doesn't see what members want or need to get from their products, and adapt instead rather than threatening us. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:25 PM Dave - I like the spreadsheet you attached... do you update it daily? like for Friday the 8th? Thanks, Karen At 12:14 PM 11/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Happy to Mike, > >You might notice a slightly different appearance as I've added links to IBD >quotes and autofilter to the columns. I'm new to this group but have noticed >several of your posts regarding screen of the day data. I've been working on >an Excel spreadsheet to index the daily sheets and do searches for specific >stocks to determine which sheets they are in and which stocks appear most >frequently. You are welcome to a copy of it if you like on >www.excelsheets.com. > >Dave Rogers > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 AM >Subject: [CANSLIM] screen of the day > > > > Can someone please send me the SOD for 11-5. I missed it. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > Mike Niemotka , PE > > Sr. Principal Engineer > > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > > Route 120 & Wilson Road > > Round Lake, IL 60073 > > Tel (847) 270-4075 > > Fax (847) 270-4525 > > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rogers" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] screen of the day Date: 10 Nov 2002 13:34:22 -0500 Karen - as Tom noted the spreadsheets are copyright material of IBD so I don't normally post them in public forums. If you are a subscriber to IBD you can download them yourself. If you would like to format them the way this spreadsheet is formatted then you can get the Excel spreadsheet to do this at www.excelsheets.com. Dave Rogers ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:25 PM > Dave - I like the spreadsheet you attached... do you update it daily? like > for Friday the 8th? Thanks, Karen > > At 12:14 PM 11/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Happy to Mike, > > > >You might notice a slightly different appearance as I've added links to IBD > >quotes and autofilter to the columns. I'm new to this group but have noticed > >several of your posts regarding screen of the day data. I've been working on > >an Excel spreadsheet to index the daily sheets and do searches for specific > >stocks to determine which sheets they are in and which stocks appear most > >frequently. You are welcome to a copy of it if you like on > >www.excelsheets.com. > > > >Dave Rogers > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 AM > >Subject: [CANSLIM] screen of the day > > > > > > > Can someone please send me the SOD for 11-5. I missed it. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > Mike Niemotka , PE > > > Sr. Principal Engineer > > > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > > > Route 120 & Wilson Road > > > Round Lake, IL 60073 > > > Tel (847) 270-4075 > > > Fax (847) 270-4525 > > > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Karen White Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] screen of the day Date: 10 Nov 2002 10:59:49 -0800 Thanks dave- i should have thought of this with the conversations we have had on this board. o dum me!! At 01:34 PM 11/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Karen - as Tom noted the spreadsheets are copyright material of IBD so I >don't normally post them in public forums. If you are a subscriber to IBD >you can >download them yourself. If you would like to format them the way this >spreadsheet is formatted then you can get the Excel spreadsheet to do this >at www.excelsheets.com. > >Dave Rogers > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen White" >To: >Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:25 PM >Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] screen of the day > > > > Dave - I like the spreadsheet you attached... do you update it daily? >like > > for Friday the 8th? Thanks, Karen > > > > At 12:14 PM 11/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Happy to Mike, > > > > > >You might notice a slightly different appearance as I've added links to >IBD > > >quotes and autofilter to the columns. I'm new to this group but have >noticed > > >several of your posts regarding screen of the day data. I've been working >on > > >an Excel spreadsheet to index the daily sheets and do searches for >specific > > >stocks to determine which sheets they are in and which stocks appear most > > >frequently. You are welcome to a copy of it if you like on > > >www.excelsheets.com. > > > > > >Dave Rogers > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:44 AM > > >Subject: [CANSLIM] screen of the day > > > > > > > > > > Can someone please send me the SOD for 11-5. I missed it. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Mike Niemotka , PE > > > > Sr. Principal Engineer > > > > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > > > > Route 120 & Wilson Road > > > > Round Lake, IL 60073 > > > > Tel (847) 270-4075 > > > > Fax (847) 270-4525 > > > > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: [CANSLIM] screens of the day Date: 11 Nov 2002 08:47:26 -0600 All, I think that the work that Dave has done is very nice, and I hope that you can all benefit from both of the sheets we have posted here. It has kind of inspired me to work some more on mine, so hopefully I will be posting some updates soon. Hope everyone had a nice weekend Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Rogers" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] screens of the day Date: 11 Nov 2002 20:05:45 -0500 Thanks for the kind words, Mike. I seem to be having difficulty getting emails from the list - nothing since yours and none of the emails I posted. Can anyone tell me if the emails are just slow or do I have a problem with my ATT email account? Dave ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:47 AM > All, > > I think that the work that Dave has done is very nice, and I hope that you > can all benefit from both of the sheets we have posted here. It has kind > of inspired me to work some more on mine, so hopefully I will be posting > some updates soon. > > Hope everyone had a nice weekend > > Mike > > Mike Niemotka , PE > Sr. Principal Engineer > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > Route 120 & Wilson Road > Round Lake, IL 60073 > Tel (847) 270-4075 > Fax (847) 270-4525 > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman Boyd" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] screens of the day Date: 11 Nov 2002 19:08:46 -0600 Dave, Infrequently the emails are a bit late to me also; sometimes half a day. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:05 PM > Thanks for the kind words, Mike. I seem to be having difficulty getting > emails from the list - nothing since yours and none of the emails I posted. > Can anyone tell me if the emails are just slow or do I have a problem with > my ATT email account? > > Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:47 AM > Subject: [CANSLIM] screens of the day > > > > All, > > > > I think that the work that Dave has done is very nice, and I hope that you > > can all benefit from both of the sheets we have posted here. It has kind > > of inspired me to work some more on mine, so hopefully I will be posting > > some updates soon. > > > > Hope everyone had a nice weekend > > > > Mike > > > > Mike Niemotka , PE > > Sr. Principal Engineer > > Baxter Healthcare Corporation > > Route 120 & Wilson Road > > Round Lake, IL 60073 > > Tel (847) 270-4075 > > Fax (847) 270-4525 > > michael_niemotka@baxter.com > > > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "rchodes" Subject: [CANSLIM] SFCC Date: 11 Nov 2002 19:30:31 -0800 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C289B8.CC1F8240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those of you who believe in a low handle breakout, you might want to = take a look at SFCC. This stock was mentioned in IBD over a year ago = when the price increased in a parabolic manner to over $30/share. Since = then, it's corrected strongly, largely due to deceleration in earnings = and revenues per share due to share dilution from secondary offerings = and to the fact that it went up too high too fast. In recent quarters, = fundamentals are picking up again. I'm not sure how to describe the chart except to say that it hit a low = of $7.80 and has basically traded sideways from AUG-late OCT with = resistance at $12. It broke through the $12 mark (low handle breakout) = on Oct 28 on average volume but the volume has exploded since the = company announced stellar results for their 3rd quarter on Nov 6th. = Revenue for the 3rd quarter increased 118% compared to a year ago and = net income per share increased from .17 fully diluted to .30 fully = diluted. From a strict CANSLIM perspective, it's too early to purchase this stock = as it's still building the right side of the cup. But if you believe in = low handle breakouts, the price and volume action is pretty exciting. = It's the only stock that I own that has gone up on high volume over the = last week. Bob Hodes ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C289B8.CC1F8240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those of you who believe in a low = handle=20 breakout, you might want to take a look at SFCC.  = This=20 stock was mentioned in IBD over a year ago when the price increased in a = parabolic manner to over $30/share.  Since then, it's corrected = strongly,=20 largely due to deceleration in earnings and revenues per share due to = share=20 dilution from secondary offerings and to the fact that it went up too = high too=20 fast.  In recent quarters, fundamentals are picking up = again.
 
I'm not sure how to describe the chart = except to=20 say that it hit a low of $7.80 and has basically traded sideways from = AUG-late=20 OCT with resistance at $12.  It broke through the $12 mark (low = handle=20 breakout) on Oct 28 on average volume but the volume has exploded since = the=20 company announced stellar results for their 3rd quarter on Nov = 6th. =20 Revenue for the 3rd quarter increased 118% compared to a year ago and = net income=20 per share increased from .17 fully diluted to .30 fully = diluted.
 
From a strict CANSLIM perspective, it's = too early=20 to purchase this stock as it's still building the right side of the = cup. =20 But if you believe in low handle breakouts, the price and volume action = is=20 pretty exciting.  It's the only stock that I own that has gone up = on high=20 volume over the last week.
 
 
Bob Hodes
 
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SFCC Date: 11 Nov 2002 22:05:15 EST In a message dated 11/11/2002 8:34:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 rchodes@charter.net writes: << ...you might want to take a look at SFCC. =20 This stock was mentioned in IBD over a year ago when the price increased in=20= a=20 parabolic manner to over $30/share. >> =20 rchodes: Your right. The charts (both weekly and daily look nice-especially the= =20 hi volume surges on up days). And like you, I'd wait (for at least when the= =20 day penetrates- up the 200 MA (and perhaps until the 50 penetrates-up the=20 200). =20 But what appears hinky to me is that the cash-flow is 15=A2 less than 2= 001=20 earnings. jans - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman Boyd" Subject: [CANSLIM] low vol pull-backs Date: 11 Nov 2002 21:10:16 -0600 I'm going thru my watch list tonight checking price vol action. I'm seeing a lot of low-vol pullbacks in some otherwise good stocks. Some of the action could be handles forming, some of it is just LLUR action and some is "something else." Sure looks like a lot of relatively low-risk entry points on some good stocks. This down trend doesn't look like the others from my chair; lot of good issues experiencing low-vol drops, not the fall-thru-the-floor on hi-vol stuff I've been used to lately. Is anyone else seeing this? Norm - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robin Gridley" Subject: [CANSLIM] watching Date: 11 Nov 2002 20:13:43 -0800 Any commments on the following: JNC AIB POSS PRGO LFG Thanks! Robin - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robin Gridley" Subject: [CANSLIM] one more Date: 11 Nov 2002 20:17:17 -0800 EXPE also... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] watching Date: 12 Nov 2002 06:32:39 -0500 Robin, PRGO shows a chart trend down for the past year, despite over 8% of the shares being bought back by the company. I also don't like the wild swings in revenues and earnings. LFG shows a forecasted 43% decline in earnings for next year, according to DGO. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:13 PM Any commments on the following: JNC AIB POSS PRGO LFG Thanks! Robin - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: EXPE (was Re: [CANSLIM] one more) Date: 12 Nov 2002 06:47:39 -0500 I was reading an article on Priceline over the weekend, and it was commenting on how differently these two companies have been doing. Appears that there may be a large number of warrants outstanding on Expedia, if so I would recommend researching the terms under which they can be called by the company. It's an easy way for them to raise cash if they need it, or even if they don't. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 11:17 PM EXPE also... - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] "M" Date: 12 Nov 2002 07:04:40 -0500 I took some time this morning to look at the major indexes on a weekly chart (I usually just study the dailies). I am growingly concerned about the failure of any of the indexes to measurably surpass the highs set in late August. If they cannot hold the 50 DMA, then we may be looking for new lows before the end of the year. I also cannot recall the last time every index chart looked exactly the same (except for Utilities, Transportation). They are so similar, especially on weekly charts, that I had to keep checking the chart title to be sure I was looking at a different one. Tom Worley stkguru@bellsouth.net AIM: TexWorley - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Canfield" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" Date: 12 Nov 2002 11:15:59 -0600 Tom, for some time I've been noticing something similar. I started to notice a possible HSB developing, and then a short time ago, I noticed you mentioned the same thing. Now, in the NAZ, the HSB is almost picture perfect, moving toward the right shoulder. I'm now looking for support at around 1200 in about 2-3 weeks, followed by a break of the neck line about the first of the year. That would look like a pretty neat reversal/bottom. The other indices don't have quite as neat an HSB as NAZ, but it's still there. BTW, I haven't been following volume through these formations as much as I should. Limitations of the current chart viewer I've been using. I just can't get serious about this market, so I just take a peak from time to time. Any thoughts?? Don Canfield ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:04 AM > I took some time this morning to look at the major indexes on a weekly chart > (I usually just study the dailies). I am growingly concerned about the > failure of any of the indexes to measurably surpass the highs set in late > August. If they cannot hold the 50 DMA, then we may be looking for new lows > before the end of the year. > > I also cannot recall the last time every index chart looked exactly the same > (except for Utilities, Transportation). They are so similar, especially on > weekly charts, that I had to keep checking the chart title to be sure I was > looking at a different one. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@bellsouth.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] FLOAT Date: 12 Nov 2002 17:10:58 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C28A6E.781DA6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Luis, The percentages are difficult to calculate meaningfully unless somebody = is double checking numbers before reporting. It's entirely possible that when Yahoo/MarketGuide does their = calculations that they are counting all institutions as a percentage of = float whether or not they are insider (5%+ beneficial owners). For = example, look at the MSN ownership summary and you will see that Bain = and Alliance Capital are beneficial owners, but they are *also* = institutions (about 6.7 million shares). That means that if you look at = total percent of the float that is owned by institutions, that = mathematically, it would turn out to be a number greater than 100%. Of = course, that makes no logical sense, because their shares aren't = available to easily change hands in the market unless they first report = to the SEC. (Insider/5% Beneficial owners + Float =3D Outstanding) http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ownership.asp The other complication to calculating percent of the float or of the = outstanding shares is that institutions only report once a quarter. If = you look at the Yahoo/Marketguide report and the MSN report, you can see = that some of the reports are outdated and that the same reporting is not = showing on both sites. That means that if any shares have changed hands, = the total institutional shares as a percent of the 37.5m shares = outstanding will not add up as they should. http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ownership.asp http://biz.yahoo.com/hd/s/srcl.html The other possible complication to the calculations is the adjustments = to shares based on secondary offerings and/or splits. If = Yahoo/Marketguide and/or MSN are careless about updates, then you'll see = discrepancies when the shares owned by institutions as a percentage of = outstanding shares are calculated. Now, to make things *really* complicated, when DGO reports their = numbers, they show Management/Insiders as a % of the *outstanding* = shares, then show Mutual Funds and Banks as a % of the *Float*!! It's = crazy and you have to be careful when looking at one data source vs. = another. All in all, I don't see the actual percentage as all that important = unless it is extraordinarily high. I'm far more interested in the = *pattern* of ownership. That is, are more institutions continuing to buy = or to sell their positions? I'm also interested in what the better = quality institutions are doing. If *they* are buying, then that carries = more weight. That said, of all the things that I use to evaluate a = company for purchase, this is quite honestly one of the *least* = important. I think that technical condition and basic fundamentals such = as revenue/earnings growth are far more telling. Institutions leave = their tracks in the price/volume charts, so looking at the detailed = institutional ownership is really a double check more than anything. Katherine ----- Original Message -----=20 From: luis claramunt=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 9:27 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] FLOAT Hi, =20 While doing my weekly research I came across in Yahoo Finance with the = profile for SRCL, under Ownership Institutional is appeared 123% of = float. =20 A definition of float is the shares left over for possible purchase = after substracting stock that is closely held (How to make money in = stocks, page 33); my doubt is: who come do they come with this 123%? =20 I need some light on it. =20 Best Regards to all, =20 Luis Claramunt San Jose, Costa Rica mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C28A6E.781DA6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Luis,
 
The percentages are difficult to calculate meaningfully unless = somebody is=20 double checking numbers before reporting.
 
It's entirely possible that when Yahoo/MarketGuide does their = calculations=20 that they are counting all institutions as a percentage of float whether = or not=20 they are insider (5%+ beneficial owners). For example, look at the MSN = ownership=20 summary and you will see that Bain and Alliance Capital are beneficial = owners,=20 but they are *also* institutions (about 6.7 million shares). That means = that if=20 you look at total percent of the float that is owned by institutions, = that=20 mathematically, it would turn out to be a number greater than 100%. Of = course,=20 that makes no logical sense, because their shares aren't available to = easily=20 change hands in the market unless they first report to the SEC. = (Insider/5%=20 Beneficial owners + Float =3D Outstanding)
 
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ownership.asp
 
The other complication to calculating percent of the float or of = the=20 outstanding shares is that institutions only report once a quarter. If = you look=20 at the Yahoo/Marketguide report and the MSN report, you can see that = some of the=20 reports are outdated and that the same reporting is not showing on both = sites.=20 That means that if any shares have changed hands, the total = institutional shares=20 as a percent of the 37.5m shares outstanding will not add up as they=20 should.
 
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/ownership/ownership.asp
http://biz.yahoo.com/hd/s/sr= cl.html
 
The other possible complication to the calculations is the = adjustments to=20 shares based on secondary offerings and/or splits. If Yahoo/Marketguide = and/or=20 MSN are careless about updates, then you'll see discrepancies when the = shares=20 owned by institutions as a percentage of outstanding shares are=20 calculated.
 
Now, to make things *really* complicated, when DGO reports their = numbers,=20 they show Management/Insiders as a % of the *outstanding* shares, then = show=20 Mutual Funds and Banks as a % of the *Float*!! It's crazy and you have = to be=20 careful when looking at one data source vs. another.
 
All in all, I don't see the actual percentage as all that important = unless=20 it is extraordinarily high. I'm far more interested in the *pattern* of=20 ownership. That is, are more institutions continuing to buy or to sell = their=20 positions? I'm also interested in what the better quality institutions = are=20 doing. If *they* are buying, then that carries more weight. That said, = of all=20 the things that I use to evaluate a company for purchase, this is quite = honestly=20 one of the *least* important. I think that technical condition and basic = fundamentals such as revenue/earnings growth are far more telling. = Institutions=20 leave their tracks in the price/volume charts, so looking at the = detailed=20 institutional ownership is really a double check more than = anything.
 
Katherine
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 luis=20 claramunt
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, = 2002 9:27=20 AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] FLOAT

Hi,
 
 =20

While doing my weekly research I came across in = Yahoo=20 Finance with the profile for SRCL, under Ownership Institutional is = appeared=20 123% of float.

 

A definition of float is the shares left = over for=20 possible purchase after substracting stock that is closely held (How = to make=20 money in stocks, page 33); my doubt is: who come  do they come with this=20 123%?

 

I need some light on = it.

 

Best Regards to = all,

 

Luis=20 Claramunt

San Jose, Costa = Rica
mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C28A6E.781DA6C0-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] "M" Date: 12 Nov 2002 21:48:51 -0500 Don, I think that sustained heavy volume will be a major clue to what is going on with the institutional money. For now, there appears to me to be uncertainty, with lots of reasons to be fearful. Institutional investors, esp. the mutual funds, have to put the money somewhere. But so far there doesn't seem to be conviction, and they are ready to move the money on a moments notice. And a lot of cash is still sidelined in money markets and bond funds. When that goes back to work in the equity market, it should be obvious after a few days. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:15 PM Tom, for some time I've been noticing something similar. I started to notice a possible HSB developing, and then a short time ago, I noticed you mentioned the same thing. Now, in the NAZ, the HSB is almost picture perfect, moving toward the right shoulder. I'm now looking for support at around 1200 in about 2-3 weeks, followed by a break of the neck line about the first of the year. That would look like a pretty neat reversal/bottom. The other indices don't have quite as neat an HSB as NAZ, but it's still there. BTW, I haven't been following volume through these formations as much as I should. Limitations of the current chart viewer I've been using. I just can't get serious about this market, so I just take a peak from time to time. Any thoughts?? Don Canfield ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:04 AM > I took some time this morning to look at the major indexes on a weekly chart > (I usually just study the dailies). I am growingly concerned about the > failure of any of the indexes to measurably surpass the highs set in late > August. If they cannot hold the 50 DMA, then we may be looking for new lows > before the end of the year. > > I also cannot recall the last time every index chart looked exactly the same > (except for Utilities, Transportation). They are so similar, especially on > weekly charts, that I had to keep checking the chart title to be sure I was > looking at a different one. > > Tom Worley > stkguru@bellsouth.net > AIM: TexWorley > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Archive Date: 13 Nov 2002 08:51:14 -0600 I don't have that list, but I am pretty sure that they print it once a week, not sure of the day. Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Alicia Lensing" cc: Sent by: Subject: [CANSLIM] Archive owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 11/12/2002 07:35 PM Please respond to canslim Last week in IBD, on the New America page, there was a list of companies that had been mentioned over the past few months on the New America page. Does anyone have a copy of that list? I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could post the names. I like to follow these *new* companies. Thanks so much. Alicia Lensing - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gregory Lensing Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Archive Date: 13 Nov 2002 07:46:07 -0800 (PST) --0-1670538810-1037202367=:46483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, Mike, I will watch during the next week. Alicia michael_niemotka@baxter.com wrote: I don't have that list, but I am pretty sure that they print it once a week, not sure of the day. Mike Mike Niemotka , PE Sr. Principal Engineer Baxter Healthcare Corporation Route 120 & Wilson Road Round Lake, IL 60073 Tel (847) 270-4075 Fax (847) 270-4525 michael_niemotka@baxter.com "Alicia Lensing" t> cc: Sent by: Subject: [CANSLIM] Archive owner-canslim@lists.xm ission.com 11/12/2002 07:35 PM Please respond to canslim Last week in IBD, on the New America page, there was a list of companies that had been mentioned over the past few months on the New America page. Does anyone have a copy of that list? I would greatly appreciate it if anyone could post the names. I like to follow these *new* companies. Thanks so much. Alicia Lensing - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Thanks, Mike, I will watch during the next week.

Alicia

 michael_niemotka@baxter.com wrote:


I don't have that list, but I am pretty sure that they print it once a
week, not sure of the day.

Mike

Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. Principal Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847) 270-4525
michael_niemotka@baxter.com



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Last week in IBD, on the New America page, there was a list of companies
that had been mentioned over the past few months on the New America page.
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Thanks so much.

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SYMC is facing resistance right here.

 "Edward W. Gjertsen II" <ed@macktracks.com> wrote:

Anyone following SYMC?

Ed Gjertsen II
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HI Norm,
 
They're to be acquired by Chittendon as of 11/8.
 
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [CANSLIM] GSBI

Is this some type of high tight flag or is GSBI being = bought=20 out?

Norm


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------=_NextPart_000_0106_01C28C1C.C7CB2F30-- - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman Boyd" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SYMC Date: 14 Nov 2002 20:30:05 -0600 After looking tonight it looks like SYMC is coming out of a very steep and short handle on below avg vol. Vol is suspect for a BO. Next day or 2 will be informative. The action all through the base was very choppy so a choppy handle would not surprise me. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:03 PM > Anyone following SYMC? > > Ed Gjertsen II > ed@macktracks.com > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman Boyd" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] GSBI Date: 14 Nov 2002 20:35:47 -0600 Thanks K. The chart makes more sense now. I guess I just didn't dig deep enuf. Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:31 PM HI Norm, They're to be acquired by Chittendon as of 11/8. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Boyd To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:26 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] GSBI Is this some type of high tight flag or is GSBI being bought out? Norm - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SYMC Date: 14 Nov 2002 20:47:19 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C28C1F.06132CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ed & Norm, I also don't much like the run up the right side of the cup on light = volume (from about 10/17 to 11/1)... that plus a lack of drying volume = at the bottom of the base and the choppy action Norm mentioned leads me = to believe this one has some more work to do before moving on up.=20 See an annotated chart at = http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/SYMC111402.JPG Katherine ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Norman Boyd=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SYMC After looking tonight it looks like SYMC is coming out of a very steep = and short handle on below avg vol. Vol is suspect for a BO. Next day or = 2 will be informative. The action all through the base was very choppy so a = choppy handle would not surprise me. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] SYMC > Anyone following SYMC? > > Ed Gjertsen II > ed@macktracks.com > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------=_NextPart_000_0120_01C28C1F.06132CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ed & Norm,
 
I also don't much like the run up the right side of the cup on = light volume=20 (from about 10/17 to 11/1)... that plus a lack of drying volume at the = bottom of=20 the base and the choppy action Norm mentioned leads me to believe = this one=20 has some more work to do before moving on up.
 
See an annotated chart at http://WallStre= et-LLC.com/canslim/SYMC111402.JPG
 
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Norman = Boyd=20
Sent: Thursday, November 14, = 2002 8:30=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = SYMC

After looking tonight it looks like SYMC is coming out = of a=20 very steep and
short handle on below avg vol.  Vol is suspect = for a=20 BO.  Next day or 2 will
be informative.  The action all = through=20 the base was very choppy so a choppy
handle would not surprise=20 me.

Norm

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Sent:=20 Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:03 PM
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Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:03 PM > Anyone following SYMC? > > Ed Gjertsen II > ed@macktracks.com > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Short" Subject: [CANSLIM] Lawsuits that settle for "undisclosed amounts" Date: 15 Nov 2002 14:24:53 -0600 A little quiet out there so I'll take a moment to ask a question: How could one determine from financial statements a companies monetary = liability for lawsuit settlements that are not made public? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Winston Little" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Lawsuits that settle for "undisclosed amounts" Date: 15 Nov 2002 15:58:13 -0500 1. Turn into a fly. 2. Find the office of the CEO. 3. Pitch on the wall. 4. Listen! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:24 PM A little quiet out there so I'll take a moment to ask a question: How could one determine from financial statements a companies monetary liability for lawsuit settlements that are not made public? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Lawsuits that settle for "undisclosed amounts" Date: 15 Nov 2002 15:09:25 -0600 And hope not to get swatted!! Have a great weekend everyone!! Ed Gjertsen II ed@macktracks.com -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Winston Little Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:58 PM 1. Turn into a fly. 2. Find the office of the CEO. 3. Pitch on the wall. 4. Listen! ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:24 PM A little quiet out there so I'll take a moment to ask a question: How could one determine from financial statements a companies monetary liability for lawsuit settlements that are not made public? - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Winston Little" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Lawsuits that settle for "undisclosed amounts" Date: 15 Nov 2002 16:26:10 -0500 A better alternative is to be the party making the settlement with the company. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 4:09 PM > And hope not to get swatted!! Have a great weekend everyone!! > > Ed Gjertsen II > ed@macktracks.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Winston Little > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:58 PM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Lawsuits that settle for "undisclosed amounts" > > 1. Turn into a fly. > 2. Find the office of the CEO. > 3. Pitch on the wall. > 4. Listen! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Short" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:24 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Lawsuits that settle for "undisclosed amounts" > > > A little quiet out there so I'll take a moment to ask a question: > > How could one determine from financial statements a companies monetary > liability for lawsuit settlements that are not made public? > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Norman Boyd" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SYMC Date: 15 Nov 2002 17:43:19 -0600 Well, Ed, Katherine, Tom, et al. despite what we think about the price-vol action, someone obviously is making money here (and having fun I might add). SYMC cleared significant resistance in the $43 area to close at the highest value in over 2 yrs. (maybe longer but I didn't look). I guess I'll never understand these type breakouts. Below avg vol and straight up! Maybe it's because this is the second handle-BO in 3 weeks? Maybe it just took a couple of tries to get over the overhead? I know there is a lesson in this chart somewhere, I just have to look from a different angle. Or maybe just wait a few more trading days and all questions will be resolved:-) Norm ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:47 PM Hi Ed & Norm, I also don't much like the run up the right side of the cup on light volume (from about 10/17 to 11/1)... that plus a lack of drying volume at the bottom of the base and the choppy action Norm mentioned leads me to believe this one has some more work to do before moving on up. See an annotated chart at http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/SYMC111402.JPG Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: Norman Boyd To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SYMC After looking tonight it looks like SYMC is coming out of a very steep and short handle on below avg vol. Vol is suspect for a BO. Next day or 2 will be informative. The action all through the base was very choppy so a choppy handle would not surprise me. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" To: Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] SYMC > Anyone following SYMC? > > Ed Gjertsen II > ed@macktracks.com > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Ricci Subject: [CANSLIM] Reading Charts Date: 15 Nov 2002 14:13:29 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0212_01C28CB1.2BDE3C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting and I support his guidance..... the highlighting is mine. Gene TSC Technical Forum What to Watch for When Reading Charts By Gary B. Smith Special to RealMoney.com Head and shoulders. Cup and handle. Bullish flag. Bearish pennant. Yes, = all of those patterns are important things to look for in chart-reading. = They're also pretty meaningless.=20 Just remember one thing when you look at charts: All you really need to = watch out for are support, resistance and trend lines. Add on volume and = price action, and pretty soon you have 99% of what you need to be an = "expert" chart reader.=20 A good example is what I show below in charts like the Nasdaq and = General Electric (GE:NYSE - news - commentary) . Yes, there are some = patterns there, but even if those aren't the correct patterns, it really = doesn't matter, as the true signals are defined by the things I = mentioned above.=20 So, is the Nasdaq really forming a "cup and handle"? I guess, but who = cares? The true test of that pattern is if it can close above 1420. If = it does, then I'm bullish on that index regardless of what it's called. ------=_NextPart_000_0212_01C28CB1.2BDE3C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interesting and I support his = guidance..... the=20 highlighting is mine.
Gene
 

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Special to RealMoney.com

Head and = shoulders. Cup=20 and handle. Bullish flag. Bearish pennant. Yes, all of those patterns = are=20 important things to look for in chart-reading. They're also pretty = meaningless.=20

Just remember one thing when you look at charts: All you really need to watch out for are support, = resistance and=20 trend lines. Add on volume and price action, and pretty soon you have = 99% of=20 what you need to be an "expert" chart reader.=20

A good example is what I show below in charts like the = Nasdaq and=20 General Electric (GE:NYSE - news - commentary) . Yes, there are = some=20 patterns there, but even if those aren't the correct patterns, it really = doesn't=20 matter, as the true signals are defined by the things I mentioned above. =

So, is the Nasdaq really forming a "cup and handle"? I guess, but = who=20 cares? The true test of that pattern is if it can close above 1420. If = it does,=20 then I'm bullish on that index regardless of what it's called.=20
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I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart place to look?

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ECONOMICS
While inflation is always a concern, it has not so far been an issue, =
allowing the Feds to lower rates to record lows, and keep them there. =
Deflation, on the other hand, is a real threat, especially to investors. =
Simply put, deflation means demand is so weak that producers are not =
able to raise prices. As investors, if corporations cannot raise prices, =
it is likely they cannot improve earnings except through cuts in costs =
(short term solution) or increase in sales volume (long term, but in a =
weak economy likely must be achieved by increasing market share, which =
means some competitors must fail). As of September, 40% of all products =
and services were priced below levels of a year prior. That, to me, is =
deflation, and one of the biggest problems Japan already faces in =
climbing out of its economic hole. This chart, from Merrill Lynch based =
on govt stats, shows the products most affected.
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Retail sales were flat in October after falling 1.3% in September. =
Excluding auto sales, the rate was up 0.7%. Expectations were for a drop =
of 0.2% overall, and an increase of 0.3% on the core rate.

Substantial renovations to bankruptcy law again failed in Congress for =
the fifth year, this time over abortion protestors using bankruptcy to =
avoid paying fines related to anti-abortion protests. This was a defeat =
for the banks and credit card companies primarily.

Wholesale prices, as if to counter fears of deflation (and ignite fears =
of inflation) jumped 1.1% in October. Biggest gainers were prices for =
gasoline (how can that be, crude prices were falling all month??), cars =
and trucks (is that why their sales were falling so fast??). Forecasts =
had been for a 0.2% increase, in line with recent months. This was the =
largest increase in 19 months. The core rate (excluding energy, food) =
was up 0.5% (biggest increase in over 3 years), also exceeding =
expectations and the trends of recent months. Start of a trend, or one =
month's anomaly?? Check back in a month. Best explanation for the recent =
rise in car/truck prices? They have lost so much money, and gone so deep =
in debt, by offering zero interest loans that they have to start making =
up for it. Just proves, there is no such thing as a free lunch, someone =
always pays the price.

Inventories increased 0.5%, above expectations of 0.1%, in September and =
reflecting the softening economy. Retail stores, car lots, and furniture =
stores were most affected. Largest increase in almost two years.

New unemployment claims came in at 388,000 and below expectations of =
396K. Four week moving average finally fell back under 400K, down 6,500 =
to 396,750.

Industrial production in October fell sharply, down 0.8%, and worse than =
expectations of a 0.3% decline.  Capacity utilization also fell, to =
75.2%, and below expectations of 75.6%. Once again, the auto industry =
contributed measurably to this.

Consumers offered a bit of hope in Univ. of Michigan's November survey =
of consumer sentiment, jumping to 85.0 from 80.6 at the end of October, =
and well over expectations of 82.0. Maybe the Christmas shopping season =
can still be saved despite everything. The expectations component also =
rose to 79.2 from 73.1.

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WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES=20
This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. It =
is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health of CANSLIM's =
"M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some stocks with =
constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from =
(and of course doing your own due diligence). I am employed in =
Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is =
strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views =
or opinions of my employer.

I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better, =
and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout =
scenario. I look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria, =
focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all =
industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my =
personal investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings forecast =
for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no =
due diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM =
patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases =
(shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR =
(Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM =
pattern. Rarely are any of these stocks of interest to me for my =
personal investing due size, price or industry group. I will note any =
stocks in which I have a current personal financial interest.

The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend is stable to =
slightly declining.

ACL - B2
BSTE - c&h
CENT - high handle
CHCO - LLUR
CHS - c&h
COCO - LLUR
COH - high handle
COLM - nice b/o from a not quite perfect handle on a double bottom
ESPD - nice reversal Thursday on volume in the high handle
EXPD - b/o Friday from the handle on volume
GRMN - nice cup forming, good volume on right side
IDXC - c&h, in my VR Fund
LXK - nice cup and handle, deep though
NUTR - B13, last 3 weeks mostly tight price action, low ADV
NWRE - short double bottom, at pivot, in my VR Fund
NXTL - high handle forming on a long cup, a telecom doing well
PSUN - double bottom
RGIS - c&h
SHRP - c&h
SLE - B4
SYY - B4

Happy Hunting,


Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: TexWorley
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ECONOMICS


While inflation is always a concern, it has not =
so far=20
been an issue, allowing the Feds to lower rates to record lows, and keep =
them=20
there. Deflation, on the other hand, is a real threat, especially to =
investors.=20
Simply put, deflation means demand is so weak that producers are not =
able to=20
raise prices. As investors, if corporations cannot raise prices, it is =
likely=20
they cannot improve earnings except through cuts in costs (short term =
solution)=20
or increase in sales volume (long term, but in a weak economy likely =
must be=20
achieved by increasing market share, which means some competitors must =
fail). As=20
of September, 40% of all products and services were priced below levels =
of a=20
year prior. That, to me, is deflation, and one of the biggest problems =
Japan=20
already faces in climbing out of its economic hole. This chart, from =
Merrill=20
Lynch based on govt stats, shows the products most =
affected.


  3D""








Retail sales were flat in October after falling =
1.3% in=20
September. Excluding auto sales, the rate was up 0.7%. Expectations were =
for a=20
drop of 0.2% overall, and an increase of 0.3% on the core =
rate.


 


Substantial renovations to bankruptcy law again =
failed in=20
Congress for the fifth year, this time over abortion protestors using =
bankruptcy=20
to avoid paying fines related to anti-abortion protests. This was a =
defeat for=20
the banks and credit card companies primarily.


 


Wholesale prices, as if to counter fears of =
deflation (and=20
ignite fears of inflation) jumped 1.1% in October. Biggest gainers were =
prices=20
for gasoline (how can that be, crude prices were falling all month??), =
cars and=20
trucks (is that why their sales were falling so fast??). Forecasts had =
been for=20
a 0.2% increase, in line with recent months. This was the largest =
increase in 19=20
months. The core rate (excluding energy, food) was up 0.5% (biggest =
increase in=20
over 3 years), also exceeding expectations and the trends of recent =
months.=20
Start of a trend, or one month's anomaly?? Check back in a month. Best=20
explanation for the recent rise in car/truck prices? They have lost so =
much=20
money, and gone so deep in debt, by offering zero interest loans that =
they have=20
to start making up for it. Just proves, there is no such thing as a free =
lunch,=20
someone always pays the price.


 


Inventories increased 0.5%, above expectations =
of 0.1%, in=20
September and reflecting the softening economy. Retail stores, car lots, =
and=20
furniture stores were most affected. Largest increase in almost two=20
years.


 


New unemployment claims came in at 388,000 and =
below=20
expectations of 396K. Four week moving average finally fell back under =
400K,=20
down 6,500 to 396,750.


 


Industrial production in October fell sharply, =
down 0.8%,=20
and worse than expectations of a 0.3% decline.  Capacity =
utilization also=20
fell, to 75.2%, and below expectations of 75.6%. Once=20
again, the auto industry contributed measurably to this.


 


Consumers offered a bit of hope in Univ. of =
Michigan's=20
November survey of consumer sentiment, jumping to 85.0 from 80.6 at the =
end of=20
October, and well over expectations of 82.0. Maybe the Christmas =
shopping season=20
can still be saved despite everything. The expectations component also =
rose to=20
79.2 from 73.1.







WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES =











This list is in no way intended to recommend any =
stocks to=20
the group. It is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health =
of=20
CANSLIM's "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some =
stocks=20
with constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from (and of =
course doing=20
your own due diligence). I am employed =
in=20
Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is =
strictly=20
my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views or =
opinions of=20
my employer.


 


I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS =
ranking of 80=20
or better, and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition =
/=20
buyout scenario. I look at all charts that meet =
this general RS/EPS=20
criteria, focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I =
consider all=20
industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my =
personal=20
investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings =
forecast=20
for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no due diligence, that is your =
responsibility. I will=20
note any CANSLIM patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) =
bottoms, or=20
flat bases (shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also =
note LLUR=20
(Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM =
pattern. Rarely=20
are any of these stocks of interest to me for my personal investing due =
size,=20
price or industry group. I will note any stocks in which I have a =
current=20
personal financial interest.


 


The population of stocks I am reviewing this =
weekend is=20
stable to slightly declining.


 


ACL - B2


BSTE - c&h


CENT - high handle


CHCO - LLUR


CHS - c&h


COCO - LLUR


COH - high handle


COLM - nice b/o from a not quite perfect handle on a double =
bottom


ESPD - nice reversal Thursday on volume in the high handle


EXPD - b/o Friday from the handle on volume


GRMN - nice cup forming, good volume on right side


IDXC - c&h, in my VR Fund


LXK - nice cup and handle, deep though


NUTR - B13, last 3 weeks mostly tight price action, low ADV


NWRE - short double bottom, at pivot, in my VR Fund


NXTL - high handle forming on a long cup, a telecom doing =
well


PSUN - double bottom


RGIS - c&h


SHRP - c&h


SLE - B4


SYY - B4


 


Happy Hunting,


 


3D""


Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: =

TexWorley


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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 16 Nov 2002 16:39:21 -0600

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Hi Bikear,

You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there are =
plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow =
you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc. =
For example:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DSBUX
http://www.bigcharts.com
http://www.clearstation.com

If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the IBD =
charts show, see
http://www.stockcharts.com

If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, see
http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php

If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid =
products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

Katherine

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are=20
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you to=20
include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc. For=20
example:


 


http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DS=
BUX



http://www.clearstation.com

 


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IBD=20
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If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over =
time,=20
see


http://www.cwhcharts=
.com/charts/kmchart.php


 


If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid =
products=20
such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.


 


Katherine


 


  
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From: CMencke@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview
Date: 16 Nov 2002 20:18:18 EST


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Thanks for the wrap-up, as usual, Tom. The sector deflation chart is really 
helpful. Did Merrill happen to do one on sectors that actually could raise 
prices? That would be interesting to see too, if so. Companies that can raise 
prices will be that much better off profitwise. Healthcare comes to mind--not 
too many others though.

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Thanks for the wrap-up, as usual, Tom. The sector deflation chart is really helpful. Did Merrill happen to do one on sectors that actually could raise prices? That would be interesting to see too, if so. Companies that can raise prices will be that much better off profitwise. Healthcare comes to mind--not too many others though.

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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 16 Nov 2002 21:41:04 -0500

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Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten
days ago.  
 
Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!
 
Duke

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[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM


Hi Bikear,
 
You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there are
plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow
you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc.
For example:
 
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=SBUX
http://www.bigcharts.com
http://www.clearstation.com
 
If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the IBD
charts show, see
http://www.stockcharts.com
 
If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, see
http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php
 
If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid
products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.
 
Katherine
 

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Just flat out =
decided not=20
to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!


 


Duke



  

  
-----Original Message-----
From:=20
  owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
  On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Saturday, November =
16, 2002=20
  5:39 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: =
Re:=20
  [CANSLIM] stock chart


  
Hi Bikear,

  
 

  
You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there =
are=20
  plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow =
you to=20
  include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc. For=20
  example:

  
 

  
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DS=
BUX

  
  
http://www.clearstation.com
  
 

  
If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as =
the IBD=20
  charts show, see

  
  
 

  
If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over =
time,=20
  see

  
http://www.cwhcharts=
.com/charts/kmchart.php

  
 

  
If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid =
products=20
  such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

  
 

  
Katherine

  
 

  
    
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Sent: Saturday, November 16, =
2002 2:30=20
    PM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock=20
chart

    

<PRE>I am no longer getting the IBD so what is =
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 16 Nov 2002 21:40:12 -0500

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Messagewhy ask me, I have not been a subscriber for many years

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Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten =
days ago. =20

Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!

Duke
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  From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
  Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


  Hi Bikear,

  You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there are =
plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow =
you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc. =
For example:

  http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DSBUX
  http://www.bigcharts.com
  http://www.clearstation.com

  If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the IBD =
charts show, see
  http://www.stockcharts.com

  If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, =
see
  http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php

  If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid =
products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

  Katherine

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    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:30 PM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


    
I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart place to =
look?

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why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for =
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years


 


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From: Duke=20
Miller 



Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM


Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart





Let me throw my =
two cents=20
in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten days ago. =20



 


Just flat out =
decided not=20
to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!


 


Duke



  

  
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com=20
  [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of =
Katherine=20
  Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM
To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com=

Subject:=20
  Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


  
Hi Bikear,

  
 

  
You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there =
are=20
  plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow =
you to=20
  include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc. For=20
  example:

  
 

  
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DS=
BUX

  
  
http://www.clearstation.com
  
 

  
If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as =
the IBD=20
  charts show, see

  
  
 

  
If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over =
time,=20
  see

  
http://www.cwhcharts=
.com/charts/kmchart.php

  
 

  
If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid =
products=20
  such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

  
 

  
Katherine

  
 

  
    
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Sent: Saturday, November 16, =
2002 2:30=20
    PM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock=20
chart

    

<PRE>I am no longer getting the IBD so what is =
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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 16 Nov 2002 21:46:22 -0500

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MY POINT PRECISELY!!
 
d

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Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:40 PM


why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for many years
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM

Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten
days ago.  
 
Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!
 
Duke

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM


Hi Bikear,
 
You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there are
plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow
you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc.
For example:
 
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=SBUX
http://www.bigcharts.com
http://www.clearstation.com
 
If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the IBD
charts show, see
http://www.stockcharts.com
 
If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, see
http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php
 
If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid
products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.
 
Katherine
 

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:30 PM


I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart place to
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d



  

  
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  owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
  On Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Saturday, November 16, =
2002=20
  9:40 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: =
Re:=20
  [CANSLIM] stock chart


  
why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for =
many=20
  years

  
 

  
----- Original Message -----=20
  
From: Duke=20
  Miller 

  
  
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM

  
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart

  


  
Let me throw =
my two cents=20
  in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten days ago. =20
  

  
 

  
Just flat out =
decided not=20
  to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. =
Worely!

  
 

  
Duke

  

    

    
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com=20
    [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of =
Katherine=20
    Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 =
PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=

Subject:=20
    Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


    
Hi Bikear,

    
 

    
You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but =
there are=20
    plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will =
allow you to=20
    include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc. For =

    example:

    
 

    
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DS=
BUX

    
    
http://www.clearstation.com
    
 

    
If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as =
the IBD=20
    charts show, see

    
http://www.stockcharts.com

    
 

    
If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over =
time,=20
    see

    
http://www.cwhcharts=
.com/charts/kmchart.php

    
 

    
If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to =
paid=20
    products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

    
 

    
Katherine

    
 

    
      
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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
      

      
Sent: Saturday, November =
16, 2002=20
      2:30 PM

      
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
stock=20
      chart

      

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      chart place to look?

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From: "inderjit" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] deflating list 
Date: 16 Nov 2002 22:20:24 -0500

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This canslim list also seems to be deflating at least in numbers over
last few months now. Does this means people are loosing interest or just
scared of threats from the won companies?
 
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:38 PM
 
ECONOMICS
While inflation is always a concern, it has not so far been an issue,
allowing the Feds to lower rates to record lows, and keep them there.
Deflation, on the other hand, is a real threat, especially to investors.
Simply put, deflation means demand is so weak that producers are not
able to raise prices. As investors, if corporations cannot raise prices,
it is likely they cannot improve earnings except through cuts in costs
(short term solution) or increase in sales volume (long term, but in a
weak economy likely must be achieved by increasing market share, which
means some competitors must fail). As of September, 40% of all products
and services were priced below levels of a year prior. That, to me, is
deflation, and one of the biggest problems Japan already faces in
climbing out of its economic hole. This chart, from Merrill Lynch based
on govt stats, shows the products most affected.
  
  _____  

Retail sales were flat in October after falling 1.3% in September.
Excluding auto sales, the rate was up 0.7%. Expectations were for a drop
of 0.2% overall, and an increase of 0.3% on the core rate.
 
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This canslim list also seems to be deflating at least =
in
numbers over last few months now. Does this means people are loosing =
interest
or just scared of threats from the won =
companies?



 



-----Original =
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[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley

Sent: =
Saturday, November 16, =
2002 3:38 PM

To: CANSLIM

Subject: [CANSLIM] =
Worley's
Weekend Weeview



 






ECONOMICS<=
/strong>









While inflation is always a =
concern,
it has not so far been an issue, allowing the Feds to lower rates to =
record
lows, and keep them there. Deflation, on the other hand, is a real =
threat,
especially to investors. Simply put, deflation means demand is so weak =
that
producers are not able to raise prices. As investors, if corporations =
cannot
raise prices, it is likely they cannot improve earnings except through =
cuts in
costs (short term solution) or increase in sales volume (long term, but =
in a
weak economy likely must be achieved by increasing market share, which =
means
some competitors must fail). As of September, 40% of all products and =
services
were priced below levels of a year prior. That, to me, is deflation, and =
one of
the biggest problems Japan already faces in =
climbing out of
its economic hole. This chart, from Merrill Lynch based on govt stats, =
shows
the products most affected.









  
























Retail sales were flat in =
October
after falling 1.3% in September. Excluding auto sales, the rate was up =
0.7%.
Expectations were for a drop of 0.2% overall, and an increase of 0.3% on =
the
core rate.









 









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From: "Bill Triffet" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 16 Nov 2002 22:05:52 -0800

I wonder if this is contagious? Mine runs out this month and I'm not
renewing either. I can't believe they don't give a discount for continuing
subscribers.

I would say that in the begining, IBD had some features that were very
usefull to me, but with the growth of free data since then - it's time to
move on.

-Bill


Duke Miller wrote:
> Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about
> ten days ago.
>
> Just flat out decided not to renew.





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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 17 Nov 2002 10:06:25 -0500

Sad thing, for me, is that I still consider IBD far superior to WSJ for the
individual investor. And that's without having ever experiencing the online
benefits of being a subscriber. One of my co-workers just joined Motley
Fool, and they gave him something like a two or three MONTH free
subscription to WSJ.

Maybe WSJ is more interested in taking market share during these lackluster
investing periods?

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I wonder if this is contagious? Mine runs out this month and I'm not
renewing either. I can't believe they don't give a discount for continuing
subscribers.

I would say that in the begining, IBD had some features that were very
usefull to me, but with the growth of free data since then - it's time to
move on.

-Bill


Duke Miller wrote:
> Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about
> ten days ago.
>
> Just flat out decided not to renew.





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From: BIKEAR@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 17 Nov 2002 11:44:19 EST


what charts are you guys using?

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Date: 17 Nov 2002 10:08:54 -0800

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MessageNow let me get this straight. This group is studying WON's =
concept of CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a =
subscription to his paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How do you find =
the quality stocks that the big money is moving into?  I use IBD's Where =
The Big Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This follows =
everything that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then how do =
you find those same stocks?

JC
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Tom Worley=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


  why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for many years

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Duke Miller=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM
  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart


  Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about =
ten days ago. =20

  Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!

  Duke
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    From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
    Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


    Hi Bikear,

    You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there =
are plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will =
allow you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, =
etc. For example:

    =
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DSBUX
    http://www.bigcharts.com
    http://www.clearstation.com

    If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the =
IBD charts show, see
    http://www.stockcharts.com

    If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, =
see
    http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php

    If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid =
products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

    Katherine

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      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:30 PM
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


      
I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart place =
to look?

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need to=20
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do you=20
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IBD's=20
Where The Big Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This =
follows=20
everything that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then how =
do you=20
find those same stocks?


 


JC



  
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  Tom=20
  Worley 
  
  
Sent: Saturday, November 16, =
2002 6:40=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock =
chart

  


  
why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for =
many=20
  years

  
 

  
----- Original Message -----=20
  
From: Duke=20
  Miller 

  
  
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM

  
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart

  


  
Let me throw =
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  in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten days ago. =20
  

  
 

  
Just flat out =
decided not=20
  to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. =
Worely!

  
 

  
Duke

  

    

    
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Katherine=20
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Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 =
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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=

Subject:=20
    Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


    
Hi Bikear,

    
 

    
You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but =
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    example:

    
 

    
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DS=
BUX

    
    
http://www.clearstation.com
    
 

    
If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as =
the IBD=20
    charts show, see

    
http://www.stockcharts.com

    
 

    
If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over =
time,=20
    see

    
http://www.cwhcharts=
.com/charts/kmchart.php

    
 

    
If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to =
paid=20
    products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

    
 

    
Katherine

    
 

    
      
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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview
Date: 17 Nov 2002 13:15:00 -0500

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Good thing that we don't make real goods like we used to eh?  Hey its
China's or Mexico's problem now.  :-)

 

 

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[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:38 PM

 

ECONOMICS

While inflation is always a concern, it has not so far been an issue,
allowing the Feds to lower rates to record lows, and keep them there.
Deflation, on the other hand, is a real threat, especially to investors.
Simply put, deflation means demand is so weak that producers are not
able to raise prices. As investors, if corporations cannot raise prices,
it is likely they cannot improve earnings except through cuts in costs
(short term solution) or increase in sales volume (long term, but in a
weak economy likely must be achieved by increasing market share, which
means some competitors must fail). As of September, 40% of all products
and services were priced below levels of a year prior. That, to me, is
deflation, and one of the biggest problems Japan already faces in
climbing out of its economic hole. This chart, from Merrill Lynch based
on govt stats, shows the products most affected.

  

  _____  

Retail sales were flat in October after falling 1.3% in September.
Excluding auto sales, the rate was up 0.7%. Expectations were for a drop
of 0.2% overall, and an increase of 0.3% on the core rate.

 

Substantial renovations to bankruptcy law again failed in Congress for
the fifth year, this time over abortion protestors using bankruptcy to
avoid paying fines related to anti-abortion protests. This was a defeat
for the banks and credit card companies primarily.

 

Wholesale prices, as if to counter fears of deflation (and ignite fears
of inflation) jumped 1.1% in October. Biggest gainers were prices for
gasoline (how can that be, crude prices were falling all month??), cars
and trucks (is that why their sales were falling so fast??). Forecasts
had been for a 0.2% increase, in line with recent months. This was the
largest increase in 19 months. The core rate (excluding energy, food)
was up 0.5% (biggest increase in over 3 years), also exceeding
expectations and the trends of recent months. Start of a trend, or one
month's anomaly?? Check back in a month. Best explanation for the recent
rise in car/truck prices? They have lost so much money, and gone so deep
in debt, by offering zero interest loans that they have to start making
up for it. Just proves, there is no such thing as a free lunch, someone
always pays the price.

 

Inventories increased 0.5%, above expectations of 0.1%, in September and
reflecting the softening economy. Retail stores, car lots, and furniture
stores were most affected. Largest increase in almost two years.

 

New unemployment claims came in at 388,000 and below expectations of
396K. Four week moving average finally fell back under 400K, down 6,500
to 396,750.

 

Industrial production in October fell sharply, down 0.8%, and worse than
expectations of a 0.3% decline.  Capacity utilization also fell, to
75.2%, and below expectations of 75.6%. Once again, the auto industry
contributed measurably to this.

 

Consumers offered a bit of hope in Univ. of Michigan's November survey
of consumer sentiment, jumping to 85.0 from 80.6 at the end of October,
and well over expectations of 82.0. Maybe the Christmas shopping season
can still be saved despite everything. The expectations component also
rose to 79.2 from 73.1.

  _____  

WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES 

This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. It
is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health of CANSLIM's
"M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some stocks with
constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from
(and of course doing your own due diligence). I am employed in
Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is
strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views
or opinions of my employer.

 

I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better,
and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout
scenario. I look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria,
focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all
industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my
personal investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings forecast
for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no
due diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM
patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases
(shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR
(Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM
pattern. Rarely are any of these stocks of interest to me for my
personal investing due size, price or industry group. I will note any
stocks in which I have a current personal financial interest.

 

The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend is stable to
slightly declining.

 

ACL - B2

BSTE - c&h

CENT - high handle

CHCO - LLUR

CHS - c&h

COCO - LLUR

COH - high handle

COLM - nice b/o from a not quite perfect handle on a double bottom

ESPD - nice reversal Thursday on volume in the high handle

EXPD - b/o Friday from the handle on volume

GRMN - nice cup forming, good volume on right side

IDXC - c&h, in my VR Fund

LXK - nice cup and handle, deep though

NUTR - B13, last 3 weeks mostly tight price action, low ADV

NWRE - short double bottom, at pivot, in my VR Fund

NXTL - high handle forming on a long cup, a telecom doing well

PSUN - double bottom

RGIS - c&h

SHRP - c&h

SLE - B4

SYY - B4

 

Happy Hunting,

 



Tom Worley
  stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: TexWorley


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[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley

Sent: Saturday,
 November 16, 2002 3:38 PM

To: CANSLIM

Subject: [CANSLIM] =
Worley's
Weekend Weeview



 






ECONOMICS<=
/strong>









While inflation is always a =
concern,
it has not so far been an issue, allowing the Feds to lower rates to =
record
lows, and keep them there. Deflation, on the other hand, is a real =
threat,
especially to investors. Simply put, deflation means demand is so weak =
that
producers are not able to raise prices. As investors, if corporations =
cannot
raise prices, it is likely they cannot improve earnings except through =
cuts in
costs (short term solution) or increase in sales volume (long term, but =
in a
weak economy likely must be achieved by increasing market share, which =
means
some competitors must fail). As of September, 40% of all products and =
services
were priced below levels of a year prior. That, to me, is deflation, and =
one of
the biggest problems Japan already faces in climbing out of its economic =
hole.
This chart, from Merrill Lynch based on govt stats, shows the products =
most
affected.









  
























Retail sales were flat in =
October
after falling 1.3% in September. Excluding auto sales, the rate was up =
0.7%.
Expectations were for a drop of 0.2% overall, and an increase of 0.3% on =
the
core rate.









 









Substantial renovations to
bankruptcy law again failed in Congress for the fifth year, this time =
over
abortion protestors using bankruptcy to avoid paying fines related to
anti-abortion protests. This was a defeat for the banks and credit card
companies primarily.









 









Wholesale prices, as if to =
counter
fears of deflation (and ignite fears of inflation) jumped 1.1% in =
October.
Biggest gainers were prices for gasoline (how can that be, crude prices =
were
falling all month??), cars and trucks (is that why their sales were =
falling so
fast??). Forecasts had been for a 0.2% increase, in line with recent =
months.
This was the largest increase in 19 months. The core rate (excluding =
energy,
food) was up 0.5% (biggest increase in over 3 years), also exceeding
expectations and the trends of recent months. Start of a trend, or one =
month's
anomaly?? Check back in a month. Best explanation for the recent rise in
car/truck prices? They have lost so much money, and gone so deep in =
debt, by
offering zero interest loans that they have to start making up for it. =
Just
proves, there is no such thing as a free lunch, someone always pays the =
price.









 









Inventories increased 0.5%, =
above
expectations of 0.1%, in September and reflecting the softening economy. =
Retail
stores, car lots, and furniture stores were most affected. Largest =
increase in almost
two years.









 









New unemployment claims =
came in at
388,000 and below expectations of 396K. Four week moving average finally =
fell
back under 400K, down 6,500 to 396,750.









 









Industrial production in =
October
fell sharply, down 0.8%, and worse than expectations of a 0.3% =
decline. 
Capacity utilization also fell, to 75.2%, and below expectations of =
75.6%. Once
again, the auto industry contributed measurably to =
this.









 









Consumers offered a bit of =
hope in
Univ. of Michigan's November survey of consumer sentiment, jumping to =
85.0 from
80.6 at the end of October, and well over expectations of 82.0. Maybe =
the
Christmas shopping season can still be saved despite everything. The
expectations component also rose to 79.2 from 73.1.





















WORLEY'S WATCHLIST =
WANNABES






















This list is in no way =
intended to
recommend any stocks to the group. It is a part of my regular personal
assessment of the health of CANSLIM's "M" and, as the name =
implies,
only intended to identify some stocks with constructive chart patterns =
that may
be worth WATCHING and learning =
from (and of
course doing your own due diligence). I am employed in
Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is
strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views =
or
opinions of my employer.









 









I typically list stocks =
with both RS
and EPS ranking of 80 or better, and try to exclude stocks undergoing =
any
merger / acquisition / buyout scenario. I look at all charts that meet
this general RS/EPS criteria, focusing on ones at or close to =
a new
12 month high. I consider all industry groups and prices, even those I =
will not
consider for my personal investing. I no longer will actively
consider earnings forecast for this year and next due the confusing =
data
presented by DGO. I do no =
due
diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any =
CANSLIM
patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat =
bases
(shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also =
note LLUR
(Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM =
pattern.
Rarely are any of these stocks of interest to me for my personal =
investing due
size, price or industry group. I will note any stocks in which I have a =
current
personal financial interest.









 









The population of stocks I =
am
reviewing this weekend is stable to slightly =
declining.









 









ACL - B2









BSTE - =
c&h









CENT - high =
handle









CHCO - =
LLUR









CHS - =
c&h









COCO - =
LLUR









COH - high =
handle









COLM - nice b/o from a not =
quite
perfect handle on a double bottom









ESPD - nice reversal =
Thursday on
volume in the high handle









EXPD - b/o Friday from the =
handle on
volume









GRMN - nice cup forming, =
good volume
on right side









IDXC - c&h, in my VR =
Fund









LXK - nice cup and handle, =
deep
though









NUTR - B13, last 3 weeks =
mostly
tight price action, low ADV









NWRE - short double bottom, =
at
pivot, in my VR Fund









NXTL - high handle forming =
on a long
cup, a telecom doing well









PSUN - double =
bottom









RGIS - =
c&h









SHRP - =
c&h









SLE - B4









SYY - B4









 









Happy =
Hunting,









 

































Tom Worley

stkguru@bellsouth.net

AIM: =
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 17 Nov 2002 13:43:19 -0500

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MessageJohn, I do my own screens elsewhere, then use DGO to check for =
the CANSLIM data.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 1:08 PM


Now let me get this straight. This group is studying WON's concept of =
CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to =
his paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality =
stocks that the big money is moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big =
Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This follows everything =
that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then how do you find =
those same stocks?

JC
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Tom Worley=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


  why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for many years

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Duke Miller=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM
  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart


  Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about =
ten days ago. =20

  Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!

  Duke
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
    Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


    Hi Bikear,

    You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there =
are plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will =
allow you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, =
etc. For example:

    =
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DSBUX
    http://www.bigcharts.com
    http://www.clearstation.com

    If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the =
IBD charts show, see
    http://www.stockcharts.com

    If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, =
see
    http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php

    If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid =
products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

    Katherine

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      From: BIKEAR@aol.com=20
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:30 PM
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


      
I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart place =
to look?

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John, I do my own screens elsewhere, then use =
DGO to check=20
for the CANSLIM data.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: John =
Calkins=20




Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 1:08 PM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart





Now let me get this straight. This =
group is=20
studying WON's concept of CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you =
need to=20
take a subscription to his paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How =
do you=20
find the quality stocks that the big money is moving into?  I use =
IBD's=20
Where The Big Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This =
follows=20
everything that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then how =
do you=20
find those same stocks?


 


JC



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Tom=20
  Worley 
  
  
Sent: Saturday, November 16, =
2002 6:40=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock =
chart

  


  
why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for =
many=20
  years

  
 

  
----- Original Message -----=20
  
From: Duke=20
  Miller 

  
  
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM

  
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart

  


  
Let me throw =
my two cents=20
  in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten days ago. =20
  

  
 

  
Just flat out =
decided not=20
  to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. =
Worely!

  
 

  
Duke

  

    

    
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com=20
    [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of =
Katherine=20
    Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 =
PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=

Subject:=20
    Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


    
Hi Bikear,

    
 

    
You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but =
there are=20
    plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will =
allow you to=20
    include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc. For =

    example:

    
 

    
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DS=
BUX

    
    
http://www.clearstation.com
    
 

    
If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as =
the IBD=20
    charts show, see

    
http://www.stockcharts.com

    
 

    
If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over =
time,=20
    see

    
http://www.cwhcharts=
.com/charts/kmchart.php

    
 

    
If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to =
paid=20
    products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

    
 

    
Katherine

    
 

    
      
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      From:=20
      BIKEAR@aol.com=20
      

      
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In a message dated 11/17/2002 12:10:16 PM Central Standard Time, 
jcalkins@olypen.com writes:


> Now let me get this straight. This group is studying WON's concept of 
> CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to his 
> paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality stocks that 
> the big money is moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big Money's Flowing to 
> get started with my lists.  This follows everything that WON teaches.  If 
> you do not get the paper, then how do you find those same stocks?
> 

JC,

Almost everything that IBD provides can be calculated and screened thru 
subscriptions to other data services such as AAII Stock Investor Pro and 
TC2000.  These relatively inexpensive services did not exist when IBD was 
created but are popping up regularly since the internet has made it into 
everyones home.  I am hoping that IBD recognizes this and somehow provides 
more data or it will eventually go out of business.  DGO provides services to 
screen stocks but they are extremely overpriced and under featured based on 
what is available for free of fee elsewhere.

I subscribe to IBD because I like the articles and the constant reminders of 
CANSLIM rules, but not because I cannot find stocks that have the best IBD 
rankings without IBD.  In fact, using only IBD EPS ranking stocks of 80 or 
better will keep one out of some of the future best performing stocks.  (See 
a recent "Ask Bill" question as IBD states this.)  By using a tool that 
screens the fundamentals instead of the rankings, one will find the best 
stocks that may miss some arbitrary cut off by a statistically anomally.  By 
this I mean it makes more sense to screen for companies meeting CANSLIM 
criteria than to look at a subset of stocks that a good growers to determine 
if they meet CANSLIM criteria.  Stocks that meet CANSLIM criteria will 
magically have good IBD rankings.  If I wanted I could buy one IBD every week 
or two for verification of my data.

To try to duplicate the actual IBD rankings requires some programming 
knowledge and therefore everyone cannot do it.  I do it as I don't want to 
tie my future to a paper that may go out of business at some point.  But my 
point is that IBD does not do anything mystical to generate this information 
and the rankings are not the most important thing needed to find quality 
growers.  The data behind the rankings is more important and the data is not 
available from IBD.

Andy

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Now let me get this straight. This group is studying WON's concept of CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to his paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality stocks that the big money is moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This follows everything that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then how do you find those same stocks?






JC,



Almost everything that IBD provides can be calculated and screened thru subscriptions to other data services such as AAII Stock Investor Pro and TC2000.  These relatively inexpensive services did not exist when IBD was created but are popping up regularly since the internet has made it into everyones home.  I am hoping that IBD recognizes this and somehow provides more data or it will eventually go out of business.  DGO provides services to screen stocks but they are extremely overpriced and under featured based on what is available for free of fee elsewhere.



I subscribe to IBD because I like the articles and the constant reminders of CANSLIM rules, but not because I cannot find stocks that have the best IBD rankings without IBD.  In fact, using only IBD EPS ranking stocks of 80 or better will keep one out of some of the future best performing stocks.  (See a recent "Ask Bill" question as IBD states this.)  By using a tool that screens the fundamentals instead of the rankings, one will find the best stocks that may miss some arbitrary cut off by a statistically anomally.  By this I mean it makes more sense to screen for companies meeting CANSLIM criteria than to look at a subset of stocks that a good growers to determine if they meet CANSLIM criteria.  Stocks that meet CANSLIM criteria will magically have good IBD rankings.  If I wanted I could buy one IBD every week or two for verification of my data.



To try to duplicate the actual IBD rankings requires some programming knowledge and therefore everyone cannot do it.  I do it as I don't want to tie my future to a paper that may go out of business at some point.  But my point is that IBD does not do anything mystical to generate this information and the rankings are not the most important thing needed to find quality growers.  The data behind the rankings is more important and the data is not available from IBD.



Andy

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From: Chazmoore@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 17 Nov 2002 13:23:44 EST


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I am with you John. I subscribe to IBD and DGO because they take all of the 
labor out of the screening process for both fundamental and Technical 
evaluations. When I find a small group of stocks that I like I can go 
elsewhere for more information if I wish. There may be cheaper ways to 
approach the process but I don't know of another system that identifies 
CANSLIM candidates better or faster.

Charley

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I am with you John. I subscribe to IBD and DGO because they take all of the labor out of the screening process for both fundamental and Technical evaluations. When I find a small group of stocks that I like I can go elsewhere for more information if I wish. There may be cheaper ways to approach the process but I don't know of another system that identifies CANSLIM candidates better or faster.



Charley

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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 17 Nov 2002 13:34:46 -0800

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I always thought that the real benefit of IBD and DGO was the
fact that they made it easier to get at info. (I sure as heck don't
read IBD for the articles!!!!!) The data's out there in other forms,
I'm sure, but for someone who only has a limited amount of time
to learn and track this stuff, it's worth the dollars to at least get
the basic info all in one place... and then spend additional time
digging elsewhere for more detail. Trying to work through a steady diet of
WSJ, Fortune, Forbes, Barrons, BWeek, Economist, etc. pretty
much takes up the rest of my time anyway! ;-)

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  I am with you John. I subscribe to IBD and DGO because they take all of
the labor out of the screening process for both fundamental and Technical
evaluations. When I find a small group of stocks that I like I can go
elsewhere for more information if I wish. There may be cheaper ways to
approach the process but I don't know of another system that identifies
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 17 Nov 2002 13:05:30 -0600

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MessageJC, maybe they no longer need WON to make money and are advancing =
their own concepts. I've read the archives of the past 6 months and see =
a movement to use other sites (including personal) for information. =
Before I tear the roof off, Mr. Worley does not fit into that shoe.

I find IBD invaluable.=20

Fred
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: John Calkins=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


  Now let me get this straight. This group is studying WON's concept of =
CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to =
his paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality =
stocks that the big money is moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big =
Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This follows everything =
that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then how do you find =
those same stocks?

  JC
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Tom Worley=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:40 PM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


    why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for many years

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Duke Miller=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM
    Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart


    Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about =
ten days ago. =20

    Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!

    Duke
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
      Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


      Hi Bikear,

      You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there =
are plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will =
allow you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, =
etc. For example:

      =
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DSBUX
      http://www.bigcharts.com
      http://www.clearstation.com

      If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the =
IBD charts show, see
      http://www.stockcharts.com

      If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over =
time, see
      http://www.cwhcharts.com/charts/kmchart.php

      If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid =
products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

      Katherine

        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: BIKEAR@aol.com=20
        To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
        Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:30 PM
        Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


        
I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart =
place to look?

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JC, maybe they no longer need WON to make money and are advancing =
their own=20
concepts. I've read the archives of the past 6 months and see a movement =
to use=20
other sites (including personal) for information. Before I tear the roof =
off,=20
Mr. Worley does not fit into that shoe.


 


I find IBD invaluable. 


 


Fred



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  John=20
  Calkins 
  
  
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 =
12:08=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock =
chart

  


  
Now let me get this straight. This =
group is=20
  studying WON's concept of CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you =
need to=20
  take a subscription to his paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  =
How do you=20
  find the quality stocks that the big money is moving into?  I use =
IBD's=20
  Where The Big Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This =
follows=20
  everything that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then =
how do=20
  you find those same stocks?

  
 

  
JC

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    Tom=20
    Worley 
    
    
Sent: Saturday, November 16, =
2002 6:40=20
    PM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock=20
chart

    


    
why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for =
many=20
    years

    
 

    
----- Original Message -----=20
    
From: =
Duke=20
    Miller 

    
    
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM

    
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart

    


    
Let me =
throw my two=20
    cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten days =
ago. =20
    

    
 

    
Just flat =
out decided=20
    not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. =
Worely!

    
 

    
Duke

    

      

      
-----Original Message-----
From: =
owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com=20
      [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of =
Katherine=20
      Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 =
PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=

Subject:=20
      Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


      
Hi Bikear,

      
 

      
You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but =
there are=20
      plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will =
allow you=20
      to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, =
etc. For=20
      example:

      
 

      
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DS=
BUX

      
      
http://www.clearstation.com
      
 

      
If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX =
as the=20
      IBD charts show, see

      
http://www.stockcharts.com

      
 

      
If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted =
over time,=20
      see

      
http://www.cwhcharts=
com/charts/kmchart.php

      
 

      
If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to =
paid=20
      products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

      
 

      
Katherine

      
 

      
        
----- Original Message ----- =


        From:=20
        BIKEAR@aol.com=20
        

        
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
        

        
Sent: Saturday, November =
16, 2002=20
        2:30 PM

        
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
stock=20
        chart

        

<PRE>I am no longer getting the IBD so what =
is a=20
        good chart place to look?

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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 17 Nov 2002 19:53:07 -0500

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Seems we've started something with my throwing my two cents in.  
 
Here are a few more "cents".... four to be exact.
 
1)  IBD badgers us with threatening, certified letters when we use there
product(s) herein to further our education (and promote their product).
That kind of arrogance makes me sick, especially after all I've paid to
them the past ten or more years.  Thousands!! (They talk about how great
companies put the customer first, then....never mind.)
 
2)  About 90% of the Investor's corner stuff is pure b.s;  20-20
hindsight ad nauseum with continual conflicting information to make
their points.
 
3)  They say their New America stocks, held for six month intervals,
beat the S&P by over 50%.  Only true if you go back to 1998; the past
two years is a different story.
 
4)  Their ABSOLUTE lob-sided op-ed page is enough to make even a
Republican puke!  Why don't they stick to what they're good at?
 
I like Bill a lot; he's taught me a lot.  But I think he's milking a
dead cow...and overcharges, to boot, for everything.  Read back through
the archives herein; you'll find all you need to follow CANLSIM is
available elsewhere.
 
Duke
 
 

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Fred Winkle
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 2:06 PM


JC, maybe they no longer need WON to make money and are advancing their
own concepts. I've read the archives of the past 6 months and see a
movement to use other sites (including personal) for information. Before
I tear the roof off, Mr. Worley does not fit into that shoe.
 
I find IBD invaluable. 
 
Fred

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:08 PM

Now let me get this straight. This group is studying WON's concept of
CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to
his paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality
stocks that the big money is moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big
Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This follows everything
that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then how do you find
those same stocks?
 
JC

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:40 PM

why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for many years
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM

Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten
days ago.  
 
Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!
 
Duke

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM


Hi Bikear,
 
You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there are
plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow
you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc.
For example:
 
http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=SBUX
http://www.bigcharts.com
http://www.clearstation.com
 
If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the IBD
charts show, see
http://www.stockcharts.com
 
If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, see
http://www.cwhchartscom/charts/kmchart.php
 
 
If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid
products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.
 
Katherine
 

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:30 PM


I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart place to
look?

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Seems we've =
started=20
something with my throwing my two cents in.  


 


Here are a few =
more=20
"cents".... four to be exact.


 


1)  IBD =
badgers us=20
with threatening, certified letters when we use there product(s) =
herein to=20
further our education (and promote their product).   That kind =
of=20
arrogance makes me sick, especially after all I've paid to them the past =
ten or=20
more years.  Thousands!! (They talk about how great companies put =
the=20
customer first, then....never mind.)


 


2)  About =
90% of the=20
Investor's corner stuff is pure b.s;  20-20 hindsight ad nauseum =
with=20
continual conflicting information to make their =
points.


 


3)  They =
say their New=20
America stocks, held for six month intervals, beat the S&P by over=20
50%.  Only true if you go back to 1998; the past two years is =
a=20
different story.


 


4)  Their =
ABSOLUTE=20
lob-sided op-ed page is enough to make even a Republican puke!  Why =
don't=20
they stick to what they're good at?


 


I like Bill a =
lot; he's=20
taught me a lot.  But I think he's milking a dead cow...and =
overcharges, to=20
boot, for everything.  Read back through the archives =
herein; you'll=20
find all you need to follow CANLSIM is=20
available elsewhere.


 


Duke


 


 



  

  
-----Original Message-----
From:=20
  owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
  On Behalf Of Fred Winkle
Sent: Sunday, November 17, =
2002 2:06=20
  PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: =
[CANSLIM]=20
  stock chart


  
JC, maybe they no longer need WON to make money and are advancing =
their=20
  own concepts. I've read the archives of the past 6 months and see a =
movement=20
  to use other sites (including personal) for information. Before I tear =
the=20
  roof off, Mr. Worley does not fit into that shoe.

  
 

  
I find IBD invaluable. 

  
 

  
Fred

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    John=20
    Calkins 
    
    
Sent: Sunday, November 17, =
2002 12:08=20
    PM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock=20
chart

    


    
Now let me get this straight. This =
group is=20
    studying WON's concept of CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean =
you need=20
    to take a subscription to his paper to follow his teaching, =
BUT!  How=20
    do you find the quality stocks that the big money is moving =
into?  I=20
    use IBD's Where The Big Money's Flowing to get started with my =
lists. =20
    This follows everything that WON teaches.  If you do not get =
the paper,=20
    then how do you find those same stocks?

    
 

    
JC

    

      
----- Original Message ----- =


      From:=20
      Tom=20
      Worley 
      
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
      

      
Sent: Saturday, November =
16, 2002=20
      6:40 PM

      
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
stock=20
      chart

      


      
why ask me, I have not been a subscriber =
for many=20
      years

      
 

      
----- Original Message -----=20
      
From: =
Duke=20
      Miller 

      
      
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM

      
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart

      


      
Let me =
throw my two=20
      cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten days =
ago. =20
      

      
 

      
Just flat =
out decided=20
      not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr.=20
Worely!

      
 

      
Duke

      

        

        
-----Original =
Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com=20
        [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of =
Katherine=20
        Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 =
PM
To:=20
        canslim@lists.xmission.com=

Subject:=20
        Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart


        
Hi Bikear,

        
 

        
You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but =
there=20
        are plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which =
will=20
        allow you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving =
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http://www.stockcharts.com

        
 

        
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From: "Patrick Wahl" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 17 Nov 2002 17:59:14 -0700

You said a mouthful, that should give the moles on the list something to 
think about.

On 17 Nov 2002 at 19:53, Duke Miller wrote:

> Seems we've started something with my throwing my two cents in.  
>  
> Here are a few more "cents".... four to be exact.
>  
> 1)  IBD badgers us with threatening, certified letters when we use there
> product(s) herein to further our education (and promote their product).
> That kind of arrogance makes me sick, especially after all I've paid to
> them the past ten or more years.  Thousands!! (They talk about how great
> companies put the customer first, then....never mind.)
>  
> 2)  About 90% of the Investor's corner stuff is pure b.s;  20-20
> hindsight ad nauseum with continual conflicting information to make
> their points.
>  
> 3)  They say their New America stocks, held for six month intervals,
> beat the S&P by over 50%.  Only true if you go back to 1998; the past
> two years is a different story.
>  
> 4)  Their ABSOLUTE lob-sided op-ed page is enough to make even a
> Republican puke!  Why don't they stick to what they're good at?
>  
> I like Bill a lot; he's taught me a lot.  But I think he's milking a
> dead cow...and overcharges, to boot, for everything.  Read back through
> the archives herein; you'll find all you need to follow CANLSIM is
> available elsewhere.
>  
> Duke
>  
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Fred Winkle
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 2:06 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
> 
> 
> JC, maybe they no longer need WON to make money and are advancing their
> own concepts. I've read the archives of the past 6 months and see a
> movement to use other sites (including personal) for information. Before
> I tear the roof off, Mr. Worley does not fit into that shoe.
>  
> I find IBD invaluable. 
>  
> Fred
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: John   Calkins 
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
> 
> Now let me get this straight. This group is studying WON's concept of
> CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to
> his paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality
> stocks that the big money is moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big
> Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This follows everything
> that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then how do you find
> those same stocks?
>  
> JC
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Tom   Worley 
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
> 
> why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for many years
>  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Duke   Miller 
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart
> 
> Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten
> days ago.  
>  
> Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!
>  
> Duke
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
> 
> 
> Hi Bikear,
>  
> You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there are
> plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow
> you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc.
> For example:
>  
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=SBUX
> http://www.bigcharts.com
> http://www.clearstation.com
>  
> If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the IBD
> charts show, see
> http://www.stockcharts.com
>  
> If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, see
> http://www.cwhchartscom/charts/kmchart.php
>  
>  
> If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid
> products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.
>  
> Katherine
>  
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: BIKEAR@aol.com 
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
> 
> 
I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart place to
> look?
> 
> -
> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
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From: Fred Winkle 
Subject: [CANSLIM] CENSOR
Date: 17 Nov 2002 16:37:04 -0600

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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CENSOR
Date: 17 Nov 2002 20:40:30 -0500

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Fred, the only "moderator" is us, unless you use certain buzz words that =
are recognizable to the mail server, such as "s-u-b-s-c-r-i ...".

Those posts will normally get thru eventually, just have to be hand =
checked by the list owner, then pushed thru.

Aside from that, the only reason I know of why a post doesn't get thru =
would be the use of profanity, spamming or commercial ads, or personal =
attacks. This is prohibited, and mentioned in the introductory email all =
new members receive.

Assuming none of this applies, and you are still having trouble posting, =
I would suggest contacting the list owner directly for further advice.

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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 17 Nov 2002 21:04:22 -0500

unfortunately, Patrick, the moles appear only to report back to Corporate
Counsel when we do something "wrong" (wrong by the lawyers definition, that
is). Or to use ideas from our discussions to write articles for future
publication, attributable of course to the IBD writer, not anyone in this
group.

Sadly, I think WON is completely out of touch with what had been done with
his products, and how his subscribers feel. The process has been going on
for years, and I see no evidence of any change.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:59 PM


You said a mouthful, that should give the moles on the list something to
think about.

On 17 Nov 2002 at 19:53, Duke Miller wrote:

> Seems we've started something with my throwing my two cents in.
>
> Here are a few more "cents".... four to be exact.
>
> 1)  IBD badgers us with threatening, certified letters when we use there
> product(s) herein to further our education (and promote their product).
> That kind of arrogance makes me sick, especially after all I've paid to
> them the past ten or more years.  Thousands!! (They talk about how great
> companies put the customer first, then....never mind.)
>
> 2)  About 90% of the Investor's corner stuff is pure b.s;  20-20
> hindsight ad nauseum with continual conflicting information to make
> their points.
>
> 3)  They say their New America stocks, held for six month intervals,
> beat the S&P by over 50%.  Only true if you go back to 1998; the past
> two years is a different story.
>
> 4)  Their ABSOLUTE lob-sided op-ed page is enough to make even a
> Republican puke!  Why don't they stick to what they're good at?
>
> I like Bill a lot; he's taught me a lot.  But I think he's milking a
> dead cow...and overcharges, to boot, for everything.  Read back through
> the archives herein; you'll find all you need to follow CANLSIM is
> available elsewhere.
>
> Duke
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Fred Winkle
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 2:06 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
>
>
> JC, maybe they no longer need WON to make money and are advancing their
> own concepts. I've read the archives of the past 6 months and see a
> movement to use other sites (including personal) for information. Before
> I tear the roof off, Mr. Worley does not fit into that shoe.
>
> I find IBD invaluable.
>
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John   Calkins
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
>
> Now let me get this straight. This group is studying WON's concept of
> CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to
> his paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality
> stocks that the big money is moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big
> Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This follows everything
> that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then how do you find
> those same stocks?
>
> JC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom   Worley
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
>
> why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for many years
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Duke   Miller
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart
>
> Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten
> days ago.
>
> Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!
>
> Duke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
>
>
> Hi Bikear,
>
> You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there are
> plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow
> you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc.
> For example:
>
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=SBUX
> http://www.bigcharts.com
> http://www.clearstation.com
>
> If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the IBD
> charts show, see
> http://www.stockcharts.com
>
> If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, see
> http://www.cwhchartscom/charts/kmchart.php
> 
>
> If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid
> products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.
>
> Katherine
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: BIKEAR@aol.com
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
>
> 
I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart place to
> look?
>
> -
> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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From: "John Calkins" 
Subject:  [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 17 Nov 2002 20:17:26 -0800

OK!  Some say IBD is invaluable.  Others say it BS.  So show me how I can
find Where The Big Moneys Flow......OOps,  I mean Going with out using the
screen in the paper and without buying some other service.

JC


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re:  [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 17 Nov 2002 23:25:54 -0500

John, is chasing a stampeding herd that critical to your screening process?

----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:17 PM


OK!  Some say IBD is invaluable.  Others say it BS.  So show me how I can
find Where The Big Moneys Flow......OOps,  I mean Going with out using the
screen in the paper and without buying some other service.

JC


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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re:  [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 17 Nov 2002 23:02:03 -0600

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Hi John,

I think the use of the IBD vs other free or paid services is more than =
anything a matter of style and preference. There are many here on the =
CANSLIM list who use the IBD exclusively for finding investment =
candidates, others who practice the CANSLIM and or growth style of =
investing but use other tools, and still others who use the IBD and/or =
DGO in combination with other paid services. I still read the IBD's Big =
Picture via the web each day and utilize the numerous educational =
features they provide, but I let the papers pile up for about a month =
before I read them these days, as all of my day to day mining and news =
monitoring is done via other free and paid services. I personally found =
the IBD too time consuming to use as a methodical mining tool and it =
didn't allow me to track the ebb and flow of the market without being =
influenced by their editorial bias. It's amazing how much information is =
available for free on the web these days, so it's entirely possible to =
mine and track good quality growth/CANSLIM candidates even without paid =
tools. Regardless of the choice, I still think the real secret to =
successful investing is using a disciplined approach and a =
methodical/consistent methodology. I think most would be hard pressed to =
argue any one tool was "better" than another, just "better for you."

Katherine
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  OK!  Some say IBD is invaluable.  Others say it BS.  So show me how I =
can
  find Where The Big Moneys Flow......OOps,  I mean Going with out using =
the
  screen in the paper and without buying some other service.

  JC


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I think the use of the IBD vs other free or paid services is more =
than=20
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CANSLIM=20
list who use the IBD exclusively for finding investment candidates, =
others who=20
practice the CANSLIM and or growth style of investing but use other =
tools, and=20
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services.=20
I still read the IBD's Big Picture via the web each day and utilize the =
numerous=20
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about a=20
month before I read them these days, as all of my day to day mining and =
news=20
monitoring is done via other free and paid services. I personally found =
the IBD=20
too time consuming to use as a methodical mining tool and it didn't =
allow me to=20
track the ebb and flow of the market without being influenced by their =
editorial=20
bias. It's amazing how much information is available for free on the web =
these=20
days, so it's entirely possible to mine and track good quality =
growth/CANSLIM=20
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think the=20
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a=20
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argue=20
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Katherine


  
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From: "Robin Gridley" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] WGO
Date: 17 Nov 2002 21:12:04 -0800

I've been looking at WGO...

Even though it shows a Cw/H, am I correct in being
worried about the $48 support level that's been set
almost three times while forming the cup ($48.05,
$48.60 and the pivot @ $49) I am guessing I should
look for VERY strong volume on the BO before
committing in order to break through and hold above
these support levels???

Thx!

Robin


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From: BIKEAR@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 18 Nov 2002 07:23:34 EST


what frre charting tool is out there?

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From: Karen White 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WGO
Date: 18 Nov 2002 04:27:52 -0800

Hi Robin- I too have been looking at some RV stocks and my concern has been 
- War = higher gas prices= Stock drops with little warning.....your take on 
that? Karen

At 09:12 PM 11/17/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>I've been looking at WGO...
>
>Even though it shows a Cw/H, am I correct in being
>worried about the $48 support level that's been set
>almost three times while forming the cup ($48.05,
>$48.60 and the pivot @ $49) I am guessing I should
>look for VERY strong volume on the BO before
>committing in order to break through and hold above
>these support levels???
>
>Thx!
>
>Robin
>
>
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WGO
Date: 18 Nov 2002 08:25:14 -0500

Robin, I would not be concerned about the several spikes to the 49 level. In
fact, the one that finished the right side of the cup and started the handle
is encouraging, as there had been consistent volume behind it.

Yes, of course you still will want to see at least 2X ADV on the b/o, but I
see nothing about the chart that would create any special volume rules.

And Karen, a war with Iraq (I presume that is what you mean) would not
necessarily mean much difference in gas prices at the pump. Crude prices
have been falling for several months, as Iraq moderated its attitude, and
the USA toned down some of its statements in order to build a consensus in
the UN for a new resolution. If Saddam is as smart as I think, he has spent
the past six months or more cleaning up Iraq of any evidence of development
of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Now he lets the inspectors in (they just
landed a few hours ago), they find nothing, Saddam whines and complains and
objects but does nothing to interfere, and in a few months the inspectors
report they had total access, and found nothing. USA looks like a bully, its
intelligence services look like idiots, everyone smiles at the results,
there is no war, and Saddam remains in power and won't have to pay Gaddafi
the $3.5 billion for a safe haven after all.

Even if there is a war, the key is the duration and severity of damage. If
Saddam blows up his own oil fields as threatened, or if the Kurds manage to
take the fields, then crude prices will be disrupted. But there is still a
substantial Iraq war premium priced into crude, and the falling prices have
yet to flow thru to the gas pumps.

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Hi Robin- I too have been looking at some RV stocks and my concern has been
- War = higher gas prices= Stock drops with little warning.....your take on
that? Karen

At 09:12 PM 11/17/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>I've been looking at WGO...
>
>Even though it shows a Cw/H, am I correct in being
>worried about the $48 support level that's been set
>almost three times while forming the cup ($48.05,
>$48.60 and the pivot @ $49) I am guessing I should
>look for VERY strong volume on the BO before
>committing in order to break through and hold above
>these support levels???
>
>Thx!
>
>Robin
>
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WGO
Date: 18 Nov 2002 09:11:00 -0600

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Hi Robin,

I'd agree with you on the need for WGO to breakout strongly above this =
resistance to show its strength. Afterall, that's the idea of a breakout =
entry point, i.e., look for strong accumulation to push through the =
latest price ceiling which may be holding back the stock.

Fundamentally, I think WGO has a lot going for it--they've recently =
announced another stock buyback program and plant expansion program and =
they seem to fit nicely into Duke's "boomer theme." I think my aunt and =
uncle and their friends must be personally responsible for 1/2 the =
company's growth over the last several years....as they buy and trade-up =
constantly.

Technically, I see some yellow flags.... mainly some troubling high =
volume distribution action in the handle. Hard to say how much of that =
is market related and how much company/stock related, but it's notable =
enough to cause some concern when I look at the chart. Either way, as =
with stocks like SYMC and others that have been mentioned on the list =
lately, a strong B/O and strong market action could take care of any =
lingering doubt in the chart! See an annotated chart at: =
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/WGO111702.JPG

Katherine
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  To: CANSLIM=20
  Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:12 PM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] WGO


  I've been looking at WGO...

  Even though it shows a Cw/H, am I correct in being
  worried about the $48 support level that's been set
  almost three times while forming the cup ($48.05,
  $48.60 and the pivot @ $49) I am guessing I should
  look for VERY strong volume on the BO before
  committing in order to break through and hold above
  these support levels???

  Thx!

  Robin


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Hi Robin,


 


I'd agree with you on the need for WGO to breakout strongly above =
this=20
resistance to show its strength. Afterall, that's the idea of a breakout =
entry=20
point, i.e., look for strong accumulation to push through the latest =
price=20
ceiling which may be holding back the stock.


 


Fundamentally, I think WGO has a lot going for it--they've =
recently=20
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they=20
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and=20
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growth over=20
the last several years....as they buy and trade-up constantly.


 


Technically, I see some yellow flags.... mainly some troubling high =
volume=20
distribution action in the handle. Hard to say how much of that is =
market=20
related and how much company/stock related, but it's notable enough to =
cause=20
some concern when I look at the chart. Either way, as with stocks like =
SYMC and=20
others that have been mentioned on the list lately, a strong B/O and =
strong=20
market action could take care of any lingering doubt in the chart! See =
an=20
annotated chart at: http://WallStree=
t-LLC.com/canslim/WGO111702.JPG


 


Katherine


  
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Subject: [CANSLIM] WGO

  

I've been looking at WGO...

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$48.60 and =
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From: "Bill Theriot" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 18 Nov 2002 09:36:09 -0800

You can find almost anything you are looking for using
a search engine.  You may have to try several different searches.  Or for
all the investing information you might
ever need go to http://www.i-soft.com/
Good investing
Bill
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From: "Bill Theriot" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 18 Nov 2002 09:44:12 -0800

Anoter great site for free screening tools is
http://www.sectorupdates.com/tools.asp

Good trading,
Bill



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From: "Tim Katona" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Intro: Tim Katona plus UOPX?
Date: 18 Nov 2002 09:51:01 -0800

Hi,
I'm new to the group. I live in Portola Valley, CA, been a reader of IBD and
WON for over 10 years, invested while working for SUNW from 1992-2000.
Investing full time since Aug'00.

Any thoughts on UOPX? One of the best fundamentals, breaking out today but
isn't it a 4th stage base....
Thanks,
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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 18 Nov 2002 13:29:22 -0500

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Hi all,

As a beginner, it seems to me that the only service worth paying for is
screening.  All the other things you would want to do as an investor, such
as detailed charts, real-time/delayed quotes, news, DDDD, status of M,
education, etc. are available for free somewhere on the internet.

As for screening services, it seems that what you would want to look for is
something that has pre-built screens, but as/most importantly a service that
you can customize to build screens the way you want.  Some of the screening
services that I have found are :

Tc2000.com
Vectorvest.com
Cwhcharts.com
Cupwatch.com
IBD (investors.com)
AAII.com investor pro

I'm sure most people on this list can come up with a much bigger collection
of screening services.

The one nice thing about IBD is that given a stock, you can easily find its
sector, and then find other companies in this sector to see how they are
doing.  You can also get a sector ranking.

Is this a very naive/beginner point of view?

===================================================================
Roger Tawa                                     rogerta@videotron.ca


[One thing about paradigms:  shift happens.]
[You ain't nothing yet.]

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duke Miller
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:53 PM

Seems we've started something with my throwing my two cents in.

Here are a few more "cents".... four to be exact.

1)  IBD badgers us with threatening, certified letters when we use there
product(s) herein to further our education (and promote their product).
That kind of arrogance makes me sick, especially after all I've paid to them
the past ten or more years.  Thousands!! (They talk about how great
companies put the customer first, then....never mind.)

2)  About 90% of the Investor's corner stuff is pure b.s;  20-20 hindsight
ad nauseum with continual conflicting information to make their points.

3)  They say their New America stocks, held for six month intervals, beat
the S&P by over 50%.  Only true if you go back to 1998; the past two years
is a different story.

4)  Their ABSOLUTE lob-sided op-ed page is enough to make even a Republican
puke!  Why don't they stick to what they're good at?

I like Bill a lot; he's taught me a lot.  But I think he's milking a dead
cow...and overcharges, to boot, for everything.  Read back through the
archives herein; you'll find all you need to follow CANLSIM is available
elsewhere.

Duke


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Fred Winkle
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 2:06 PM
JC, maybe they no longer need WON to make money and are advancing their own
concepts. I've read the archives of the past 6 months and see a movement to
use other sites (including personal) for information. Before I tear the roof
off, Mr. Worley does not fit into that shoe.

I find IBD invaluable.

Fred
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:08 PM

Now let me get this straight. This group is studying WON's concept of
CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to his
paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality stocks that
the big money is moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big Money's Flowing to
get started with my lists.  This follows everything that WON teaches.  If
you do not get the paper, then how do you find those same stocks?

JC
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:40 PM

why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for many years

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM

Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten days
ago.

Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!

Duke
-----Original Message-----

[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM
Hi Bikear,

You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there are plenty
of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow you to
include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc. For
example:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=SBUX
http://www.bigcharts.com
http://www.clearstation.com

If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the IBD
charts show, see
http://www.stockcharts.com

If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, see
http://www.cwhchartscom/charts/kmchart.php


If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid products
such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

Katherine

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I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart place to look?

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Hi all,



 



As a
beginner, it seems to me that the only service worth paying for is
screening.  All the other things
you would want to do as an investor, such as detailed charts, real-time/delayed
quotes, news, DDDD, status of M, education, etc. are available for free
somewhere on the internet.



 



As for
screening services, it seems that what you would want to look for is something
that has pre-built screens, but as/most importantly a service that you can
customize to build screens the way you want.  Some of the screening services that I have found are :



 



Tc2000.com



Vectorvest.com



Cwhcharts.com



Cupwatch.com



IBD (investors.com)



AAII.com investor pro



 



I’m sure
most people on this list can come up with a much bigger collection of screening
services.



 



The one
nice thing about IBD is that given a stock, you can easily find its sector, and
then find other companies in this sector to see how they are doing.  You can also get a sector ranking.



 



Is this a
very naïve/beginner point of view?



 



===================================================================



Roger Tawa                                    
rogerta@videotron.ca 



 



[One thing about paradigms: 
shift happens.]



[You ain’t nothing yet.]



 



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From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duke Miller

Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002
7:53 PM

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart



 



Seems
we've started something with my throwing my two cents in.  



 



Here
are a few more "cents".... four to be exact.



 



1) 
IBD badgers us with threatening, certified letters when we use there product(s)
herein to further our education (and promote their product).   That
kind of arrogance makes me sick, especially after all I've paid to them the
past ten or more years.  Thousands!! (They talk about how great companies
put the customer first, then....never mind.)



 



2) 
About 90% of the Investor's corner stuff is pure b.s;  20-20 hindsight ad
nauseum with continual conflicting information to make their points.



 



3) 
They say their New America stocks, held for six month intervals, beat the
S&P by over 50%.  Only true if you go back to 1998; the past two
years is a different story.



 



4) 
Their ABSOLUTE lob-sided op-ed page is enough to make even a Republican
puke!  Why don't they stick to what they're good at?



 



I like
Bill a lot; he's taught me a lot.  But I think he's milking a dead
cow...and overcharges, to boot, for everything.  Read back through the
archives herein; you'll find all you need to follow CANLSIM is
available elsewhere.



 



Duke



 



 



-----Original Message-----

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Behalf Of Fred Winkle

Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002
2:06 PM

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart



JC, maybe they no longer need WON to make
money and are advancing their own concepts. I've read the archives of the past
6 months and see a movement to use other sites (including personal) for
information. Before I tear the roof off, Mr. Worley does not fit into that
shoe.



 



I find IBD invaluable. 



 



Fred






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Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002
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Subject: Re:
[CANSLIM] stock chart



 



Now let
me get this straight. This group is studying WON's concept of CANSLIM. 
Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to his paper to follow
his teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality stocks that the big money
is moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big Money's Flowing to get started
with my lists.  This follows everything that WON teaches.  If you do
not get the paper, then how do you find those same stocks?



 



JC









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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com




Sent: Saturday, November 16,
2002 6:40 PM



Subject: Re:
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why ask
me, I have not been a subscriber for many years



 



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Miller 






To: canslim@lists.xmission.com




Sent:
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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart



 



Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired
about ten days ago.  



 



Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask
Mr. Worely!



 



Duke









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Behalf Of Katherine Malm

Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002
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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart



Hi Bikear,



 



You didn't say
what you were looking for when charting, but there are plenty of free resources
on the web for basic charts which will allow you to include a variety of
technical indicators, moving averages, etc. For example:



 



http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=SBUX



http://www.bigcharts.com



http://www.clearstation.com



 



If you want
technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the IBD charts show, see



http://www.stockcharts.com



 



If you want
the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, see



http://www.cwhchartscom/charts/kmchart.php



 



If you want
something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid products such as
HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.



 



Katherine



 









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Subject: [CANSLIM] If It's Raining in Brazil, Buy Bunge Limited
Date: 18 Nov 2002 12:42:30 -0600

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If It's Raining in Brazil, Buy Bunge Limited (Peter Navarro and David =
Aloyan)=20


This week's link:

Cogito Ergo Hedgem (Peter Navarro and David Aloyan)=20

[I Think, Therefore I Hedge]=20


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From: Kent Norman 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
Date: 18 Nov 2002 10:57:42 -0800 (PST)

UOPX is + 7% at 726,000 shares today, aavg vol is 200,000.

Regards
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From: Spencer48@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 18 Nov 2002 14:32:47 EST

Katherine:

     I agree.  More than any technical tool or whiz-bang chart analysis, 
discipline and an educated-consistent methodology is necessary to garner 
success in the market.

     However, I don't understand how IBD's editorial slant can influence 
someone in following the  "ebb and flow" of the market.  What has one to do 
with the other? 

     Anyway, it's nice to see your E-mails again.  And also to read them.

jans


In a message dated 11/18/2002 12:03:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< [IBD] didn't allow me to track the ebb and flow of the market without 
being influenced by their editorial bias.....  Regardless of the choice, I 
still think the real secret to successful investing is using a disciplined 
approach and a methodical/consistent methodology. I think most would be hard 
pressed to argue any one tool was "better" than another, just "better for 
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
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Hi Kent,

I've seen a lot of similar action in other e-commerce stocks =
recently....EBAY, AMZN, ROOM.

But parent commercial school APOL and others such as COCO, ESI, and STRA =
seem to have hit the pause button. EDMC, DV and CECO are not so =
healthy....a strong group nonetheless, having fallen back only slightly =
in the last 13 wks, and showing outstanding relative strength to the SPX =
over the last 6 mos to a year.

Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume


  UOPX is + 7% at 726,000 shares today, aavg vol is 200,000.

  Regards
  Kent Norman


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Hi Kent,


 


I've seen a lot of similar action in other e-commerce stocks=20
recently....EBAY, AMZN, ROOM.


 


But parent commercial school APOL and others such as COCO, ESI, and =
STRA=20
seem to have hit the pause button. EDMC, DV and CECO are not so=20
healthy....a strong group nonetheless, having fallen back only slightly =
in the=20
last 13 wks, and showing outstanding relative strength to the SPX over =
the last=20
6 mos to a year.


 


Katherine


  
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  Norman 
  
  
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 =
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX =
volume

  

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From: Spencer48@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WGO
Date: 18 Nov 2002 14:52:48 EST

Robin:

     I've just pulled WGO up on DGO, and besides Kathrine's high distribution 
days (which only comparitively I see as a danger sign, ie. price rises is on 
smaller volume than falls, which to me indicates that demand is beginning to 
dry up), I see that there are 51% funds ownership of the stock.  So perhaps 
that's why buying is beginning to dry up (51% is pretty high fund ownership). 
 

     Moreover, even if it broke out, I'd be wary:  There is enough fund 
ownership that the managers of the fund might be anxious to take profits on 
what appears to be a break-out.  And there is so much fund ownership that if 
funds start bailing out one after another, then...:  Look out below.

jans

In a message dated 11/18/2002 10:10:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
kmalm@earthlink.net writes:

<< Hi Robin,
 
 I'd agree with you on the need for WGO to breakout strongly above this 
resistance to show its strength. Afterall, that's the idea of a breakout 
entry point, i.e., look for strong accumulation to push through the latest 
price ceiling which may be holding back the stock.
 
 Fundamentally, I think WGO has a lot going for it--they've recently 
announced another stock buyback program and plant expansion program and they 
seem to fit nicely into Duke's "boomer theme." I think my aunt and uncle and 
their friends must be personally responsible for 1/2 the company's growth 
over the last several years....as they buy and trade-up constantly.
 
 Technically, I see some yellow flags.... mainly some troubling high volume 
distribution action in the handle. Hard to say how much of that is market 
related and how much company/stock related, but it's notable enough to cause 
some concern when I look at the chart. Either way, as with stocks like SYMC 
and others that have been mentioned on the list lately, a strong B/O and 
strong market action could take care of any lingering doubt in the chart! See 
an annotated chart at: http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/WGO111702.JPG
 
 Katherine
   ----- Original Message ----- 
   From: Robin Gridley 
   To: CANSLIM 
   Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:12 PM
   Subject: [CANSLIM] WGO
 
 
   I've been looking at WGO...
 
   Even though it shows a Cw/H, am I correct in being
   worried about the $48 support level that's been set
   almost three times while forming the cup ($48.05,
   $48.60 and the pivot @ $49) I am guessing I should
   look for VERY strong volume on the BO before
   committing in order to break through and hold above
   these support levels???
 
   Thx!
 
   Robin
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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 18 Nov 2002 14:40:08 -0600

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Hi jans,

In reference to "consistent methodology", I remember from reading John =
C's introductory post that he's a heavy user of the screens and =
mini-charts in the IBD. No question that John's methodology is rigorous, =
as he so clearly laid out in his post earlier this year. (Apologies =
John, I remembered well your original post and methodology, but didn't =
more recently make the connection to your name)

With respect to editorial slant--while the stocks the IBD chooses to =
highlight in the mini-charts, etc. are based on the high relative =
strength approach that forms the core of the CANSLIM style, the physical =
paper itself is limited in space, so the charts shown may not represent =
the entire universe of "good quality stocks." Also, given that there =
might be more than could fit in the allotted space, the editors will =
pick and choose which to show. They also choose which stocks to comment =
on, so there is no guarantee that the one or two they mention are =
necessarily the better candidates, though they may very well be the most =
interesting.  I also remember times in the past where the stocks showing =
up were indeed high RS stocks, but because the market was doing so =
poorly, they weren't necessarily CANSLIM quality from a growth and/or =
fundamental perspective.

There's a theory that investors tend to be biased when a stock tends to =
be mentioned quite often in the press. Simply mentioning a stock doesn't =
necessarily make it a good (or the best) candidate, but the frequency of =
mention tends to influence how one *perceives* the qualities of the =
company and/or the stock. Take, for instance, the Screen of the Day on =
the website. The editors will choose which screens to run from one day =
to the next. While a good stock will naturally make it to several lists, =
it doesn't necessarily hold that the number of times it shows up makes =
it a "better" stock or that all "good" stocks are represented in the =
screens. There's really no cause and effect there, just luck of the draw =
on editorial choice.

All in all, I think it's far more important to utilize a consistent =
methodology that doesn't introduce this type of editorial bias. In other =
words, the core of CANSLIM is high relative strength, technically sound, =
fundamentally sound, growth stocks. Take away all the fluff , the =
proprietary rankings and the frequency of mention and you're left with =
stocks that fit this bill and stocks that don't. With a sound methodical =
approach, it's possible to zoom in on the stocks that qualify, those =
that are moving up and those that are moving down at all times, without =
bias. That's the ebb and flow that I was referring to in my earlier =
post. In other words, I rely on WON and IBD to help me understand and =
interpret the CANSLIM style, but I don't want them to them lead me by =
the nose if I am to understand and interpret the market. That's the =
beauty of tools such as HGSI, Vectorvest, TC2000 and others...they rely =
on technical indicators to lead you to strength, not editors.

Katherine


----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


  Katherine:

       I agree.  More than any technical tool or whiz-bang chart =
analysis,=20
  discipline and an educated-consistent methodology is necessary to =
garner=20
  success in the market.

       However, I don't understand how IBD's editorial slant can =
influence=20
  someone in following the  "ebb and flow" of the market.  What has one =
to do=20
  with the other?=20

       Anyway, it's nice to see your E-mails again.  And also to read =
them.

  jans


  In a message dated 11/18/2002 12:03:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
  kmalm@earthlink.net writes:

  << [IBD] didn't allow me to track the ebb and flow of the market =
without=20
  being influenced by their editorial bias.....  Regardless of the =
choice, I=20
  still think the real secret to successful investing is using a =
disciplined=20
  approach and a methodical/consistent methodology. I think most would =
be hard=20
  pressed to argue any one tool was "better" than another, just "better =
for=20
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Hi jans,


 


In reference to "consistent methodology", I remember from reading =
John C's=20
introductory post that he's a heavy user of the screens and mini-charts =
in the=20
IBD. No question that John's methodology is rigorous, as he so clearly =
laid out=20
in his post earlier this year. (Apologies John, I remembered well your =
original=20
post and methodology, but didn't more recently make the connection to =
your=20
name)


 


With respect to editorial slant--while the stocks the IBD chooses =
to=20
highlight in the mini-charts, etc. are based on the high relative =
strength=20
approach that forms the core of the CANSLIM style, the physical paper =
itself is=20
limited in space, so the charts shown may not represent the entire =
universe of=20
"good quality stocks." Also, given that there might be more than could =
fit in=20
the allotted space, the editors will pick and choose which to show. They =
also=20
choose which stocks to comment on, so there is no guarantee that the one =
or two=20
they mention are necessarily the better candidates, though they may very =
well be=20
the most interesting.  I also remember times in the past where the =
stocks=20
showing up were indeed high RS stocks, but because the market was doing =
so=20
poorly, they weren't necessarily CANSLIM quality from a growth and/or=20
fundamental perspective.


 


There's a theory that investors tend to be biased when a stock =
tends to be=20
mentioned quite often in the press. Simply mentioning a stock doesn't=20
necessarily make it a good (or the best) candidate, but the frequency of =
mention=20
tends to influence how one *perceives* the qualities of the company =
and/or the=20
stock. Take, for instance, the Screen of the Day on the website. The =
editors=20
will choose which screens to run from one day to the next. While a good =
stock=20
will naturally make it to several lists, it doesn't necessarily hold =
that the=20
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stocks=20
are represented in the screens. There's really no cause and effect =
there, just=20
luck of the draw on editorial choice.


 


All in all, I think it's far more important to utilize a consistent =

methodology that doesn't introduce this type of editorial bias. In other =
words,=20
the core of CANSLIM is high relative strength, technically sound, =
fundamentally=20
sound, growth stocks. Take away all the fluff , the proprietary rankings =
and the=20
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stocks=20
that don't. With a sound methodical approach, it's possible to zoom in =
on the=20
stocks that qualify, those that are moving up and those that are moving =
down at=20
all times, without bias. That's the ebb and flow that I was referring to =
in my=20
earlier post. In other words, I rely on WON and IBD to help me =

understand and interpret the CANSLIM style, but I don't want them=20
to them lead me by the nose if I am to understand and interpret the =
market.=20
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others...they=20
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Katherine


 


 


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     I =
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  than any technical tool or whiz-bang chart analysis, 
discipline =
and an=20
  educated-consistent methodology is necessary to garner 
success in =
the=20
  market.

     However, I don't understand =
how IBD's=20
  editorial slant can influence 
someone in following the  "ebb =
and=20
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with the other?=20
  

     Anyway, it's nice to see your E-mails =

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jans


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flow of the=20
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being influenced by their editorial bias.....  =

  Regardless of the choice, I 
still think the real secret to =
successful=20
  investing is using a disciplined 
approach and a =
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From: BIKEAR@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]lost confidence...
Date: 18 Nov 2002 18:13:32 EST


I have not traded or done anything in over a year I have got a lot of paper 
loss and I'm just sitting on them has anyone made any money  lately.....janis

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From: "Robin Gridley" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] WGO
Date: 18 Nov 2002 15:37:35 -0800

Karen -

I agree with Tom in that I'm not too worried about a big
bump in gas prices. Two main reasons...
1) Oil expenditures are only 3.5% of GDP as compared to 8%
during the '73 shock.
2) Even though oil imports are up a third from '73, we're now
spreading the wealth much wider (Mexico, Russia, Venezuala, etc.)
We're only getting 10% of total domestic consumption from the
area slated to be affected by a Gulf war.

Even if there's a brief spike (which I doubt), even if exacerbated
by successful terrorist action against pipelines or other logistics,
I can't see it lasting long enough to hold any real implications
for prices. Especially with the proclivity of the feds to bleed
the reserve at the slightest sign of squawking from the gas
guzzlers...

[start soapbox]

Now... that having been said, the economist in me would at times
like to see gas prices better reflect the real costs of consumption,
as I'm a firm believer in the importance of "price" to reguluate the
demand side of "price equilibrium."

Living in a state that's running a $10B deficit and can't seem
to find enough money to fix potholes even with one of the highest
state tax rates and and a top 10 global economy, the complete lack
of willingness to carry total costs of consumption through to
the consumer (either by letting prices at least rise with inflation
or use of a consumption tax with funds strictly earmarked to offset
related costs) gives me a headache. But I guess there are just
too many d@mn trial attorneys driving around in Escalades for
that to ever happen.....  ;-)

[end soapbox!!!!]

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Karen White
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 4:28 AM


Hi Robin- I too have been looking at some RV stocks and my concern has been
- War = higher gas prices= Stock drops with little warning.....your take on
that? Karen

At 09:12 PM 11/17/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>I've been looking at WGO...
>
>Even though it shows a Cw/H, am I correct in being
>worried about the $48 support level that's been set
>almost three times while forming the cup ($48.05,
>$48.60 and the pivot @ $49) I am guessing I should
>look for VERY strong volume on the BO before
>committing in order to break through and hold above
>these support levels???
>
>Thx!
>
>Robin
>
>
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From: Fred Winkle 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
Date: 18 Nov 2002 13:24:28 -0600

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Kent, who needs to count? I got an alert from cwhcharts at 12.18 that =
UOPX broke out. I also got an alert at 12.20 on SNDK. I was able to buy =
and sell them both because of these alerts. Made more than enough to pay =
for their yearly subscription. The best part is that I still have about =
4 days left on my free trial.

Check them out at http://www.cwhcharts.com

Thank you Mike and Kathryn,
Fred

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume


  UOPX is + 7% at 726,000 shares today, aavg vol is 200,000.

  Regards
  Kent Norman


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Kent, who needs to count? I got an alert from cwhcharts at 12.18 =
that UOPX=20
broke out. I also got an alert at 12.20 on SNDK. I was able to buy and =
sell them=20
both because of these alerts. Made more than enough to pay for their =
yearly=20
subscription. The best part is that I still have about 4 days left on my =
free=20
trial.


 


Check them out at http://www.cwhcharts.com


 


Thank you Mike and Kathryn,


Fred


 


  
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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 =
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX =
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UOPX is + 7% at 726,000 shares today, aavg vol is=20
  200,000.

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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
Date: 18 Nov 2002 13:42:33 -0600

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Let's see if I can make it 3 for 3. I just got an alert from them on MVL =
and bought it at $9.20 (it's at $9.24). I'll look up MVL after I sell it =
this afternoon. First time to ever buy a stock without knowing anything =
about them (bad).

Fred
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
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  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume


  Kent, who needs to count? I got an alert from cwhcharts at 12.18 that =
UOPX broke out. I also got an alert at 12.20 on SNDK. I was able to buy =
and sell them both because of these alerts. Made more than enough to pay =
for their yearly subscription. The best part is that I still have about =
4 days left on my free trial.

  Check them out at http://www.cwhcharts.com

  Thank you Mike and Kathryn,
  Fred

    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:57 PM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume


    UOPX is + 7% at 726,000 shares today, aavg vol is 200,000.

    Regards
    Kent Norman


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on MVL=20
and bought it at $9.20 (it's at $9.24). I'll look up MVL after I sell it =
this=20
afternoon. First time to ever buy a stock without knowing anything about =
them=20
(bad).


 


Fred



  
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX =
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Kent, who needs to count? I got an alert from cwhcharts at 12.18 =
that=20
  UOPX broke out. I also got an alert at 12.20 on SNDK. I was able to =
buy and=20
  sell them both because of these alerts. Made more than enough to pay =
for their=20
  yearly subscription. The best part is that I still have about 4 days =
left on=20
  my free trial.

  
 

  
Check them out at http://www.cwhcharts.com

  
 

  
Thank you Mike and Kathryn,

  
Fred

  
 

  
    
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UOPX is + 7% at 726,000 shares today, aavg vol is=20
    200,000.

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Subject: Fw: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 18 Nov 2002 15:13:53 -0600

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Please, enough bashing of IBD. I happen to disagree with you but there =
isn't any value in arguing. I am getting very uncomfortable with the =
running down of the editors of IBD. You've made your point why not let =
it alone? Thank you for your patience and understanding.


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Hi jans,

In reference to "consistent methodology", I remember from reading John =
C's introductory post that he's a heavy user of the screens and =
mini-charts in the IBD. No question that John's methodology is rigorous, =
as he so clearly laid out in his post earlier this year. (Apologies =
John, I remembered well your original post and methodology, but didn't =
more recently make the connection to your name)

With respect to editorial slant--while the stocks the IBD chooses to =
highlight in the mini-charts, etc. are based on the high relative =
strength approach that forms the core of the CANSLIM style, the physical =
paper itself is limited in space, so the charts shown may not represent =
the entire universe of "good quality stocks." Also, given that there =
might be more than could fit in the allotted space, the editors will =
pick and choose which to show. They also choose which stocks to comment =
on, so there is no guarantee that the one or two they mention are =
necessarily the better candidates, though they may very well be the most =
interesting.  I also remember times in the past where the stocks showing =
up were indeed high RS stocks, but because the market was doing so =
poorly, they weren't necessarily CANSLIM quality from a growth and/or =
fundamental perspective.

There's a theory that investors tend to be biased when a stock tends to =
be mentioned quite often in the press. Simply mentioning a stock doesn't =
necessarily make it a good (or the best) candidate, but the frequency of =
mention tends to influence how one *perceives* the qualities of the =
company and/or the stock. Take, for instance, the Screen of the Day on =
the website. The editors will choose which screens to run from one day =
to the next. While a good stock will naturally make it to several lists, =
it doesn't necessarily hold that the number of times it shows up makes =
it a "better" stock or that all "good" stocks are represented in the =
screens. There's really no cause and effect there, just luck of the draw =
on editorial choice.

All in all, I think it's far more important to utilize a consistent =
methodology that doesn't introduce this type of editorial bias. In other =
words, the core of CANSLIM is high relative strength, technically sound, =
fundamentally sound, growth stocks. Take away all the fluff , the =
proprietary rankings and the frequency of mention and you're left with =
stocks that fit this bill and stocks that don't. With a sound methodical =
approach, it's possible to zoom in on the stocks that qualify, those =
that are moving up and those that are moving down at all times, without =
bias. That's the ebb and flow that I was referring to in my earlier =
post. In other words, I rely on WON and IBD to help me understand and =
interpret the CANSLIM style, but I don't want them to them lead me by =
the nose if I am to understand and interpret the market. That's the =
beauty of tools such as HGSI, Vectorvest, TC2000 and others...they rely =
on technical indicators to lead you to strength, not editors.

Katherine


----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Spencer48@aol.com=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


  Katherine:

       I agree.  More than any technical tool or whiz-bang chart =
analysis,=20
  discipline and an educated-consistent methodology is necessary to =
garner=20
  success in the market.

       However, I don't understand how IBD's editorial slant can =
influence=20
  someone in following the  "ebb and flow" of the market.  What has one =
to do=20
  with the other?=20

       Anyway, it's nice to see your E-mails again.  And also to read =
them.

  jans


  In a message dated 11/18/2002 12:03:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
  kmalm@earthlink.net writes:

  << [IBD] didn't allow me to track the ebb and flow of the market =
without=20
  being influenced by their editorial bias.....  Regardless of the =
choice, I=20
  still think the real secret to successful investing is using a =
disciplined=20
  approach and a methodical/consistent methodology. I think most would =
be hard=20
  pressed to argue any one tool was "better" than another, just "better =
for=20
  you." >>


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Please, enough bashing of IBD. I happen to disagree with you but =
there=20
isn't any value in arguing. I am getting very uncomfortable with=20
the running down of the editors of IBD. You've made your point why =
not let=20
it alone? Thank you for your patience and understanding.


 


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Katherine Malm=20




Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:40 PM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY





Hi jans,


 


In reference to "consistent methodology", I remember from reading =
John C's=20
introductory post that he's a heavy user of the screens and mini-charts =
in the=20
IBD. No question that John's methodology is rigorous, as he so clearly =
laid out=20
in his post earlier this year. (Apologies John, I remembered well your =
original=20
post and methodology, but didn't more recently make the connection to =
your=20
name)


 


With respect to editorial slant--while the stocks the IBD chooses =
to=20
highlight in the mini-charts, etc. are based on the high relative =
strength=20
approach that forms the core of the CANSLIM style, the physical paper =
itself is=20
limited in space, so the charts shown may not represent the entire =
universe of=20
"good quality stocks." Also, given that there might be more than could =
fit in=20
the allotted space, the editors will pick and choose which to show. They =
also=20
choose which stocks to comment on, so there is no guarantee that the one =
or two=20
they mention are necessarily the better candidates, though they may very =
well be=20
the most interesting.  I also remember times in the past where the =
stocks=20
showing up were indeed high RS stocks, but because the market was doing =
so=20
poorly, they weren't necessarily CANSLIM quality from a growth and/or=20
fundamental perspective.


 


There's a theory that investors tend to be biased when a stock =
tends to be=20
mentioned quite often in the press. Simply mentioning a stock doesn't=20
necessarily make it a good (or the best) candidate, but the frequency of =
mention=20
tends to influence how one *perceives* the qualities of the company =
and/or the=20
stock. Take, for instance, the Screen of the Day on the website. The =
editors=20
will choose which screens to run from one day to the next. While a good =
stock=20
will naturally make it to several lists, it doesn't necessarily hold =
that the=20
number of times it shows up makes it a "better" stock or that all "good" =
stocks=20
are represented in the screens. There's really no cause and effect =
there, just=20
luck of the draw on editorial choice.


 


All in all, I think it's far more important to utilize a consistent =

methodology that doesn't introduce this type of editorial bias. In other =
words,=20
the core of CANSLIM is high relative strength, technically sound, =
fundamentally=20
sound, growth stocks. Take away all the fluff , the proprietary rankings =
and the=20
frequency of mention and you're left with stocks that fit this bill and =
stocks=20
that don't. With a sound methodical approach, it's possible to zoom in =
on the=20
stocks that qualify, those that are moving up and those that are moving =
down at=20
all times, without bias. That's the ebb and flow that I was referring to =
in my=20
earlier post. In other words, I rely on WON and IBD to help me =

understand and interpret the CANSLIM style, but I don't want them=20
to them lead me by the nose if I am to understand and interpret the =
market.=20
That's the beauty of tools such as HGSI, Vectorvest, TC2000 and =
others...they=20
rely on technical indicators to lead you to strength, not editors.


 


Katherine


 


 


----- Original Message ----- 


  From:=20
  Spencer48@aol.com 
  
  
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 =
1:32=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show =
me BIG=20
  MONEY

  

Katherine:

    =20
  I agree.  More than any technical tool or whiz-bang chart =
analysis,=20
  
discipline and an educated-consistent methodology is necessary to =
garner=20
  
success in the market.

     However, I =
don't=20
  understand how IBD's editorial slant can influence 
someone in =
following=20
  the  "ebb and flow" of the market.  What has one to do =

with the=20
  other? 

     Anyway, it's nice to see your =
E-mails=20
  again.  And also to read them.

jans


In a =
message dated=20
  11/18/2002 12:03:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
kmalm@earthlink.net=20
  writes:

<< [IBD] didn't allow me to track the ebb and =
flow of the=20
  market without 
being influenced by their editorial bias.....  =

  Regardless of the choice, I 
still think the real secret to =
successful=20
  investing is using a disciplined 
approach and a =
methodical/consistent=20
  methodology. I think most would be hard 
pressed to argue any one =
tool was=20
  "better" than another, just "better for 
you."=20
>>



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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 18 Nov 2002 18:09:28 -0600

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Fred,

I believe you have misread my post as there was no "IBD bashing" =
anywhere in sight. I simply stated that I do not personally use the IBD =
for methodically mining for my stocks because I believe that it creates =
bias in my mind as a reader. As stated in an earlier email,  I also =
believe that it takes a great deal of time to use the manual method it =
requires for mining so have chosen another methodology, I still have a =
subscription, and I still read it and find value in it.=20

Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Fred Winkle=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:13 PM
  Subject: Fw: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


  Please, enough bashing of IBD. I happen to disagree with you but there =
isn't any value in arguing. I am getting very uncomfortable with the =
running down of the editors of IBD. You've made your point why not let =
it alone? Thank you for your patience and understanding.


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Katherine Malm=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


  Hi jans,

  In reference to "consistent methodology", I remember from reading John =
C's introductory post that he's a heavy user of the screens and =
mini-charts in the IBD. No question that John's methodology is rigorous, =
as he so clearly laid out in his post earlier this year. (Apologies =
John, I remembered well your original post and methodology, but didn't =
more recently make the connection to your name)

  With respect to editorial slant--while the stocks the IBD chooses to =
highlight in the mini-charts, etc. are based on the high relative =
strength approach that forms the core of the CANSLIM style, the physical =
paper itself is limited in space, so the charts shown may not represent =
the entire universe of "good quality stocks." Also, given that there =
might be more than could fit in the allotted space, the editors will =
pick and choose which to show. They also choose which stocks to comment =
on, so there is no guarantee that the one or two they mention are =
necessarily the better candidates, though they may very well be the most =
interesting.  I also remember times in the past where the stocks showing =
up were indeed high RS stocks, but because the market was doing so =
poorly, they weren't necessarily CANSLIM quality from a growth and/or =
fundamental perspective.

  There's a theory that investors tend to be biased when a stock tends =
to be mentioned quite often in the press. Simply mentioning a stock =
doesn't necessarily make it a good (or the best) candidate, but the =
frequency of mention tends to influence how one *perceives* the =
qualities of the company and/or the stock. Take, for instance, the =
Screen of the Day on the website. The editors will choose which screens =
to run from one day to the next. While a good stock will naturally make =
it to several lists, it doesn't necessarily hold that the number of =
times it shows up makes it a "better" stock or that all "good" stocks =
are represented in the screens. There's really no cause and effect =
there, just luck of the draw on editorial choice.

  All in all, I think it's far more important to utilize a consistent =
methodology that doesn't introduce this type of editorial bias. In other =
words, the core of CANSLIM is high relative strength, technically sound, =
fundamentally sound, growth stocks. Take away all the fluff , the =
proprietary rankings and the frequency of mention and you're left with =
stocks that fit this bill and stocks that don't. With a sound methodical =
approach, it's possible to zoom in on the stocks that qualify, those =
that are moving up and those that are moving down at all times, without =
bias. That's the ebb and flow that I was referring to in my earlier =
post. In other words, I rely on WON and IBD to help me understand and =
interpret the CANSLIM style, but I don't want them to them lead me by =
the nose if I am to understand and interpret the market. That's the =
beauty of tools such as HGSI, Vectorvest, TC2000 and others...they rely =
on technical indicators to lead you to strength, not editors.

  Katherine


  ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Spencer48@aol.com=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:32 PM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


    Katherine:

         I agree.  More than any technical tool or whiz-bang chart =
analysis,=20
    discipline and an educated-consistent methodology is necessary to =
garner=20
    success in the market.

         However, I don't understand how IBD's editorial slant can =
influence=20
    someone in following the  "ebb and flow" of the market.  What has =
one to do=20
    with the other?=20

         Anyway, it's nice to see your E-mails again.  And also to read =
them.

    jans


    In a message dated 11/18/2002 12:03:07 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20
    kmalm@earthlink.net writes:

    << [IBD] didn't allow me to track the ebb and flow of the market =
without=20
    being influenced by their editorial bias.....  Regardless of the =
choice, I=20
    still think the real secret to successful investing is using a =
disciplined=20
    approach and a methodical/consistent methodology. I think most would =
be hard=20
    pressed to argue any one tool was "better" than another, just =
"better for=20
    you." >>


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Fred,


 


I believe you have misread my post as there was no "IBD bashing" =
anywhere=20
in sight. I simply stated that I do not personally use the IBD for =
methodically=20
mining for my stocks because I believe that it creates bias in my mind =
as a=20
reader. As stated in an earlier email,  I also believe that it =
takes a=20
great deal of time to use the manual method it requires for mining so =
have=20
chosen another methodology, I still have a subscription, and I still =
read it and=20
find value in it. 


 


Katherine



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Fred =
Winkle=20
  
  
  
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 =
3:13=20
  PM

  
Subject: Fw: [CANSLIM] OK Show =
me BIG=20
  MONEY

  


  
Please, enough bashing of IBD. I happen to disagree with you but =
there=20
  isn't any value in arguing. I am getting very uncomfortable with=20
  the running down of the editors of IBD. You've made your point =
why not=20
  let it alone? Thank you for your patience and understanding.

  
 

  
 

  
----- Original Message -----=20
  
From: Katherine Malm=20
  

  
  
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:40 PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY

  


  
Hi jans,

  
 

  
In reference to "consistent methodology", I remember from reading =
John=20
  C's introductory post that he's a heavy user of the screens and =
mini-charts in=20
  the IBD. No question that John's methodology is rigorous, as he so =
clearly=20
  laid out in his post earlier this year. (Apologies John, I remembered =
well=20
  your original post and methodology, but didn't more recently make the=20
  connection to your name)

  
 

  
With respect to editorial slant--while the stocks the IBD chooses =
to=20
  highlight in the mini-charts, etc. are based on the high relative =
strength=20
  approach that forms the core of the CANSLIM style, the physical paper =
itself=20
  is limited in space, so the charts shown may not represent the entire =
universe=20
  of "good quality stocks." Also, given that there might be more than =
could fit=20
  in the allotted space, the editors will pick and choose which to show. =
They=20
  also choose which stocks to comment on, so there is no guarantee that =
the one=20
  or two they mention are necessarily the better candidates, though they =
may=20
  very well be the most interesting.  I also remember times in the =
past=20
  where the stocks showing up were indeed high RS stocks, but because =
the market=20
  was doing so poorly, they weren't necessarily CANSLIM quality from a =
growth=20
  and/or fundamental perspective.

  
 

  
There's a theory that investors tend to be biased when a stock =
tends to=20
  be mentioned quite often in the press. Simply mentioning a stock =
doesn't=20
  necessarily make it a good (or the best) candidate, but the frequency =
of=20
  mention tends to influence how one *perceives* the qualities of the =
company=20
  and/or the stock. Take, for instance, the Screen of the Day on the =
website.=20
  The editors will choose which screens to run from one day to the next. =
While a=20
  good stock will naturally make it to several lists, it doesn't =
necessarily=20
  hold that the number of times it shows up makes it a "better" stock or =
that=20
  all "good" stocks are represented in the screens. There's really no =
cause and=20
  effect there, just luck of the draw on editorial choice.

  
 

  
All in all, I think it's far more important to utilize a =
consistent=20
  methodology that doesn't introduce this type of editorial bias. In =
other=20
  words, the core of CANSLIM is high relative strength, technically =
sound,=20
  fundamentally sound, growth stocks. Take away all the fluff , the =
proprietary=20
  rankings and the frequency of mention and you're left with stocks that =
fit=20
  this bill and stocks that don't. With a sound methodical approach, =
it's=20
  possible to zoom in on the stocks that qualify, those that are moving =
up and=20
  those that are moving down at all times, without bias. That's the ebb =
and flow=20
  that I was referring to in my earlier post. In other words, I rely on =
WON=20
  and IBD to help me understand and interpret the CANSLIM =
style, but I=20
  don't want them to them lead me by the nose if I am to =
understand=20
  and interpret the market. That's the beauty of tools such as HGSI, =
Vectorvest,=20
  TC2000 and others...they rely on technical indicators to lead you to =
strength,=20
  not editors.

  
 

  
Katherine

  
 

  
 

  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
    From:=20
    Spencer48@aol.com 
    
    
Sent: Monday, November 18, =
2002 1:32=20
    PM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK =
Show me BIG=20
    MONEY

    

Katherine:

    =20
    I agree.  More than any technical tool or whiz-bang chart =
analysis,=20
    
discipline and an educated-consistent methodology is necessary =
to garner=20
    
success in the market.

     However, =
I don't=20
    understand how IBD's editorial slant can influence 
someone in =
following=20
    the  "ebb and flow" of the market.  What has one to do =

with=20
    the other? 

     Anyway, it's nice to see =
your=20
    E-mails again.  And also to read =
them.

jans


In a=20
    message dated 11/18/2002 12:03:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
kmalm@earthlink.net=20
    writes:

<< [IBD] didn't allow me to track the ebb and =
flow of=20
    the market without 
being influenced by their editorial =
bias..... =20
    Regardless of the choice, I 
still think the real secret to =
successful=20
    investing is using a disciplined 
approach and a =
methodical/consistent=20
    methodology. I think most would be hard 
pressed to argue any one =
tool=20
    was "better" than another, just "better for 
you."=20
  >>



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From: "Patrick Wahl" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] WGO
Date: 18 Nov 2002 17:46:19 -0700

I think you could make a case for lower oil prices if there was a war with 
Iraq, since once its over they will be allowed to pump at a higher rate than 
they do currently.

On 18 Nov 2002 at 15:37, Robin Gridley wrote:

> Even if there's a brief spike (which I doubt), even if exacerbated
> by successful terrorist action against pipelines or other logistics,
> I can't see it lasting long enough to hold any real implications
> for prices. Especially with the proclivity of the feds to bleed
> the reserve at the slightest sign of squawking from the gas
> guzzlers...



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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]lost confidence...
Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:07:14 -0500

only in my margin acct

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 6:13 PM



I have not traded or done anything in over a year I have got a lot of
paper
loss and I'm just sitting on them has anyone made any money
lately.....janis

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From: "Patrick Wahl" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]lost confidence...
Date: 18 Nov 2002 20:10:25 -0700

I have taken a few non-Canslim things which were around breakeven, 
have not done much for a few months, not an environment for momentum 
stocks right now.  I think you have to trade or stand aside, unless you go 
the Warren Buffet route.

On 18 Nov 2002 at 18:13, BIKEAR@aol.com wrote:

> 
I have not traded or done anything in over a year I have got a lot of paper
> loss and I'm just sitting on them has anyone made any money  lately.....janis



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From: "Norman Boyd" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] ROOM
Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:41:01 -0600

Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: "Robin Gridley" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROOM
Date: 18 Nov 2002 19:54:33 -0800

Yes... saw it. Not the most inspiring of break-outs. After
hours has it down slightly (around 1/2%) Didn't make me jump
up and go 'hmmmmmm'...

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Norman Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:41 PM


Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: "Robin Gridley" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] institutional sponsorship
Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:15:09 -0800

I'm not sure if this is a fair observation or not...

A lot of the stocks that I'm looking into because
I like the charts (and have decent fundamentals...)
are coming up with institutional ownership well over
30%. Is this a common phenomena (the funds buy the
stuff with the good fundamentals just as I'm looking 
for...) or is this made more of an issue because
there are not a whole lot of great choices out there
so the institutions are more prevalent in the ones
that look favorable....



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From: "Mike Gibbons" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 18 Nov 2002 19:28:06 -1000

To all subscribers,

Some of you may remember that in late September, DGO FedEx'd letters to
several members of our group who were also paying subscribers to DGO/IBD,
including Katherine Malm. As a result, she was no longer able to use DGO's
charts as the basis for her annotations when participating in CANSLIM list
discussions. At the time, Katherine and I worked together to enhance my
site's charts so that she would have the technical information necessary to
continue annotating charts as she had done previously with DGO's charts.

As a result of that collaboration, Katherine and I began a new dialog and I
am pleased to announce that she has agreed to join cwhCharts.com as a
part-owner.  Our goal for the site is to continue to enhance it with
services and tools for the growth stock investor who follows the CANSLIM
style.  Katherine's understanding of the application of Technical Analysis
to the CANSLIM investment style and her excellent communication skills will
significantly advance our ability to achieve that goal and provide
continually improving services to our subscribers.

This doesn't in any way impact our desire to continue to actively
participate in the CANSLIM discussions (as we both have been doing over the
past year). At the same time, however, I want to be sure that each of you
are aware of our new business arrangement so that there is no perceived
conflict of interest in our postings.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Robin Gridley
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:55 PM


Yes... saw it. Not the most inspiring of break-outs. After
hours has it down slightly (around 1/2%) Didn't make me jump
up and go 'hmmmmmm'...

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Norman Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:41 PM


Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: "David Taggart" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 18 Nov 2002 22:34:49 -0700

That's Awesome.

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:28 PM

To all subscribers,

Some of you may remember that in late September, DGO FedEx'd letters to
several members of our group who were also paying subscribers to
DGO/IBD,
including Katherine Malm. As a result, she was no longer able to use
DGO's
charts as the basis for her annotations when participating in CANSLIM
list
discussions. At the time, Katherine and I worked together to enhance my
site's charts so that she would have the technical information necessary
to
continue annotating charts as she had done previously with DGO's charts.

As a result of that collaboration, Katherine and I began a new dialog
and I
am pleased to announce that she has agreed to join cwhCharts.com as a
part-owner.  Our goal for the site is to continue to enhance it with
services and tools for the growth stock investor who follows the CANSLIM
style.  Katherine's understanding of the application of Technical
Analysis
to the CANSLIM investment style and her excellent communication skills
will
significantly advance our ability to achieve that goal and provide
continually improving services to our subscribers.

This doesn't in any way impact our desire to continue to actively
participate in the CANSLIM discussions (as we both have been doing over
the
past year). At the same time, however, I want to be sure that each of
you
are aware of our new business arrangement so that there is no perceived
conflict of interest in our postings.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Robin Gridley
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:55 PM


Yes... saw it. Not the most inspiring of break-outs. After
hours has it down slightly (around 1/2%) Didn't make me jump
up and go 'hmmmmmm'...

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Norman Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:41 PM


Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: "Robin Gridley" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:42:25 -0800

Well... since I've just spent the last 2 hours sucking
information out of your site ;-) my only response is COOL!
(And I'll back that up with a paying subscription in
the very near future I promise.......)

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:28 PM


To all subscribers,

Some of you may remember that in late September, DGO FedEx'd letters to
several members of our group who were also paying subscribers to DGO/IBD,
including Katherine Malm. As a result, she was no longer able to use DGO's
charts as the basis for her annotations when participating in CANSLIM list
discussions. At the time, Katherine and I worked together to enhance my
site's charts so that she would have the technical information necessary to
continue annotating charts as she had done previously with DGO's charts.

As a result of that collaboration, Katherine and I began a new dialog and I
am pleased to announce that she has agreed to join cwhCharts.com as a
part-owner.  Our goal for the site is to continue to enhance it with
services and tools for the growth stock investor who follows the CANSLIM
style.  Katherine's understanding of the application of Technical Analysis
to the CANSLIM investment style and her excellent communication skills will
significantly advance our ability to achieve that goal and provide
continually improving services to our subscribers.

This doesn't in any way impact our desire to continue to actively
participate in the CANSLIM discussions (as we both have been doing over the
past year). At the same time, however, I want to be sure that each of you
are aware of our new business arrangement so that there is no perceived
conflict of interest in our postings.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Robin Gridley
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:55 PM


Yes... saw it. Not the most inspiring of break-outs. After
hours has it down slightly (around 1/2%) Didn't make me jump
up and go 'hmmmmmm'...

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Norman Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:41 PM


Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: Karen White 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:38:25 -0800

That is great news for you both.  Katherine is a great educator and 
generous with her time to help others learn.
Congradulations.......karen

At 07:28 PM 11/18/2002 -1000, you wrote:
>To all subscribers,
>
>Some of you may remember that in late September, DGO FedEx'd letters to
>several members of our group who were also paying subscribers to DGO/IBD,
>including Katherine Malm. As a result, she was no longer able to use DGO's
>charts as the basis for her annotations when participating in CANSLIM list
>discussions. At the time, Katherine and I worked together to enhance my
>site's charts so that she would have the technical information necessary to
>continue annotating charts as she had done previously with DGO's charts.
>
>As a result of that collaboration, Katherine and I began a new dialog and I
>am pleased to announce that she has agreed to join cwhCharts.com as a
>part-owner.  Our goal for the site is to continue to enhance it with
>services and tools for the growth stock investor who follows the CANSLIM
>style.  Katherine's understanding of the application of Technical Analysis
>to the CANSLIM investment style and her excellent communication skills will
>significantly advance our ability to achieve that goal and provide
>continually improving services to our subscribers.
>
>This doesn't in any way impact our desire to continue to actively
>participate in the CANSLIM discussions (as we both have been doing over the
>past year). At the same time, however, I want to be sure that each of you
>are aware of our new business arrangement so that there is no perceived
>conflict of interest in our postings.
>
>Aloha,
>
>Mike Gibbons
>Proactive Technologies, LLC
>http://www.proactech.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Robin Gridley
>Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:55 PM
>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROOM
>
>
>Yes... saw it. Not the most inspiring of break-outs. After
>hours has it down slightly (around 1/2%) Didn't make me jump
>up and go 'hmmmmmm'...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Norman Boyd
>Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:41 PM
>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: [CANSLIM] ROOM
>
>
>Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
>breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.
>
>Norm
>
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From: "Robin Gridley" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] MBT
Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:43:45 -0800

I am liking this a whole lot and think it's making
a nice right side to the cup (LS 40.15, bottom 23.75)
Can anyone see any yellow flags that I may be missing?


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From: "Bill Triffet" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:41:09 -0800

Mike Gibbons wrote:
> To all subscribers,
> As a result of that collaboration, Katherine and I began a new dialog
> and I am pleased to announce that she has agreed to join
> cwhCharts.com as a part-owner.  Our goal for the site is to continue
> to enhance it with services and tools for the growth stock investor
> who follows the CANSLIM style.  Katherine's understanding of the
> application of Technical Analysis to the CANSLIM investment style and
> her excellent communication skills will significantly advance our
> ability to achieve that goal and provide continually improving
> services to our subscribers.

Might I be the first to say congrats! Sounds like the perfect match for
canslim!  : - )

-Bill




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From: "Bill Triffet" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 18 Nov 2002 21:43:27 -0800

> Might I be the first to say congrats! Sounds like the perfect match
> for canslim!  : - )
> 
> -Bill
> 

Ok, let me be the third then... (g)

-Bill



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From: RWElmer@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 19 Nov 2002 00:46:13 EST


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Congratulations Mike and Katherine! Sounds like a winning combination. I wish 
you much success on your venture. Watch out IBD!!!

Best Regards,

Robert W. Elmer
Coldwell Banker First Shasta
2837 Bechelli Ln.
Redding, CA 96002
RWElmer@aol.com
221-9556 or 1-800-348-7939 ext.156
www.robertelmer.com

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Congratulations Mike and Katherine! Sounds like a winning combination. I wish you much success on your venture. Watch out IBD!!!



Best Regards,



Robert W. Elmer

Coldwell Banker First Shasta

2837 Bechelli Ln.

Redding, CA 96002

RWElmer@aol.com

221-9556 or 1-800-348-7939 ext.156

www.robertelmer.com

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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 19 Nov 2002 00:52:03 -0500

Congrats to both of you for teaming up for a true winning combo. But I think
the real winners are all of us as well. Much success and I look forward to
positive results. How soon do you think you can start releasing a list of
guaranteed sure fire 100% gainers?? ::)))   (if anybody can do it, you two
can)

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:28 AM


To all subscribers,

Some of you may remember that in late September, DGO FedEx'd letters to
several members of our group who were also paying subscribers to DGO/IBD,
including Katherine Malm. As a result, she was no longer able to use DGO's
charts as the basis for her annotations when participating in CANSLIM list
discussions. At the time, Katherine and I worked together to enhance my
site's charts so that she would have the technical information necessary to
continue annotating charts as she had done previously with DGO's charts.

As a result of that collaboration, Katherine and I began a new dialog and I
am pleased to announce that she has agreed to join cwhCharts.com as a
part-owner.  Our goal for the site is to continue to enhance it with
services and tools for the growth stock investor who follows the CANSLIM
style.  Katherine's understanding of the application of Technical Analysis
to the CANSLIM investment style and her excellent communication skills will
significantly advance our ability to achieve that goal and provide
continually improving services to our subscribers.

This doesn't in any way impact our desire to continue to actively
participate in the CANSLIM discussions (as we both have been doing over the
past year). At the same time, however, I want to be sure that each of you
are aware of our new business arrangement so that there is no perceived
conflict of interest in our postings.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Robin Gridley
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:55 PM


Yes... saw it. Not the most inspiring of break-outs. After
hours has it down slightly (around 1/2%) Didn't make me jump
up and go 'hmmmmmm'...

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Norman Boyd
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:41 PM


Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: Richard Yoder 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 18 Nov 2002 22:50:16 -0800

I'll not be the first nor probably the last to congratulate you two, but I'm
certainly in there somewhere. This bodes well for all of us, I think. I've been
enjoying and learning from both of you. The combination should be awsome!

            Dick

Mike Gibbons wrote:

> To all subscribers,
>
> Some of you may remember that in late September, DGO FedEx'd letters to
> several members of our group who were also paying subscribers to DGO/IBD,
> including Katherine Malm. As a result, she was no longer able to use DGO's
> charts as the basis for her annotations when participating in CANSLIM list
> discussions. At the time, Katherine and I worked together to enhance my
> site's charts so that she would have the technical information necessary to
> continue annotating charts as she had done previously with DGO's charts.
>
> As a result of that collaboration, Katherine and I began a new dialog and I
> am pleased to announce that she has agreed to join cwhCharts.com as a
> part-owner.  Our goal for the site is to continue to enhance it with
> services and tools for the growth stock investor who follows the CANSLIM
> style.  Katherine's understanding of the application of Technical Analysis
> to the CANSLIM investment style and her excellent communication skills will
> significantly advance our ability to achieve that goal and provide
> continually improving services to our subscribers.
>
> This doesn't in any way impact our desire to continue to actively
> participate in the CANSLIM discussions (as we both have been doing over the
> past year). At the same time, however, I want to be sure that each of you
> are aware of our new business arrangement so that there is no perceived
> conflict of interest in our postings.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Mike Gibbons
> Proactive Technologies, LLC
> http://www.proactech.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Robin Gridley
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:55 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROOM
>
> Yes... saw it. Not the most inspiring of break-outs. After
> hours has it down slightly (around 1/2%) Didn't make me jump
> up and go 'hmmmmmm'...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Norman Boyd
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:41 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: [CANSLIM] ROOM
>
> Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
> breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.
>
> Norm
>
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Intro: Tim Katona plus UOPX?
Date: 19 Nov 2002 06:55:23 -0500

Hi Tim, welcome to the group.

I see yesterday's move as a breakout from the handle of a cup and handle.
Volume had not dried up as much as I would have liked to see in the handle,
nor was volume very good on the right side of the cup. The question now is
whether it can sustain this b/o, prior attempts quickly faded.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:51 PM


Hi,
I'm new to the group. I live in Portola Valley, CA, been a reader of IBD and
WON for over 10 years, invested while working for SUNW from 1992-2000.
Investing full time since Aug'00.

Any thoughts on UOPX? One of the best fundamentals, breaking out today but
isn't it a 4th stage base....
Thanks,
Tim


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock chart
Date: 19 Nov 2002 06:59:42 -0500

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MessageHi Roger,

A screening service is not something you must pay for necessarily. I do =
all my screening at CBS Marketwatch, and it has worked well for me, for =
what I pay (zero). I know others in the group use free online screening =
services as well. I tried DGO's screener when it was in beta testing, =
and found I got better results from Marketwatch (hence why I didn't pay =
the outrageous cost at DGO when beta ended).

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:29 PM


Hi all,

=20

As a beginner, it seems to me that the only service worth paying for is =
screening.  All the other things you would want to do as an investor, =
such as detailed charts, real-time/delayed quotes, news, DDDD, status of =
M, education, etc. are available for free somewhere on the internet.

=20

As for screening services, it seems that what you would want to look for =
is something that has pre-built screens, but as/most importantly a =
service that you can customize to build screens the way you want.  Some =
of the screening services that I have found are :

=20

Tc2000.com

Vectorvest.com

Cwhcharts.com

Cupwatch.com

IBD (investors.com)

AAII.com investor pro

=20

I'm sure most people on this list can come up with a much bigger =
collection of screening services.

=20

The one nice thing about IBD is that given a stock, you can easily find =
its sector, and then find other companies in this sector to see how they =
are doing.  You can also get a sector ranking.

=20

Is this a very na=EFve/beginner point of view?

=20

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Roger Tawa                                     rogerta@videotron.ca=20

=20

[One thing about paradigms:  shift happens.]

[You ain't nothing yet.]

=20

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Duke Miller
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:53 PM

=20

Seems we've started something with my throwing my two cents in. =20

=20

Here are a few more "cents".... four to be exact.

=20

1)  IBD badgers us with threatening, certified letters when we use there =
product(s) herein to further our education (and promote their product).  =
 That kind of arrogance makes me sick, especially after all I've paid to =
them the past ten or more years.  Thousands!! (They talk about how great =
companies put the customer first, then....never mind.)

=20

2)  About 90% of the Investor's corner stuff is pure b.s;  20-20 =
hindsight ad nauseum with continual conflicting information to make =
their points.

=20

3)  They say their New America stocks, held for six month intervals, =
beat the S&P by over 50%.  Only true if you go back to 1998; the past =
two years is a different story.

=20

4)  Their ABSOLUTE lob-sided op-ed page is enough to make even a =
Republican puke!  Why don't they stick to what they're good at?

=20

I like Bill a lot; he's taught me a lot.  But I think he's milking a =
dead cow...and overcharges, to boot, for everything.  Read back through =
the archives herein; you'll find all you need to follow CANLSIM is =
available elsewhere.

=20

Duke

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Fred Winkle
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 2:06 PM

JC, maybe they no longer need WON to make money and are advancing their =
own concepts. I've read the archives of the past 6 months and see a =
movement to use other sites (including personal) for information. Before =
I tear the roof off, Mr. Worley does not fit into that shoe.

=20

I find IBD invaluable.=20

=20

Fred

----- Original Message -----=20



=20


Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:08 PM


=20

Now let me get this straight. This group is studying WON's concept of =
CANSLIM.  Granted, it doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to =
his paper to follow his teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality =
stocks that the big money is moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big =
Money's Flowing to get started with my lists.  This follows everything =
that WON teaches.  If you do not get the paper, then how do you find =
those same stocks?

=20

JC

----- Original Message -----=20



=20


Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:40 PM


=20

why ask me, I have not been a subscriber for many years

=20

----- Original Message -----=20

=20



Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:41 PM


=20

Let me throw my two cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten =
days ago. =20

=20

Just flat out decided not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. Worely!

=20

Duke

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:39 PM

Hi Bikear,

=20

You didn't say what you were looking for when charting, but there are =
plenty of free resources on the web for basic charts which will allow =
you to include a variety of technical indicators, moving averages, etc. =
For example:

=20

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DSBUX

http://www.bigcharts.com

http://www.clearstation.com

=20

If you want technicals and a comparative RS Line to the SPX as the IBD =
charts show, see

http://www.stockcharts.com

=20

If you want the above plus RS Rank and U/D volume plotted over time, see

http://www.cwhchartscom/charts/kmchart.php

=20

If you want something more comprehensive, you have to go to paid =
products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO, etc.

=20

Katherine

=20

----- Original Message -----=20



=20


Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 2:30 PM


=20


I am no longer getting the IBD so what is a good chart place to =
look?

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Hi Roger,


 


A screening service is not something you must =
pay for=20
necessarily. I do all my screening at CBS Marketwatch, and it has worked =
well=20
for me, for what I pay (zero). I know others in the group use free =
online=20
screening services as well. I tried DGO's screener when it was in beta =
testing,=20
and found I got better results from Marketwatch (hence why I didn't pay =
the=20
outrageous cost at DGO when beta ended).


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Roger =
Tawa=20




Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:29 PM


Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock chart







Hi=20
all,


 


As a=20
beginner, it seems to me that the only service worth paying for is=20
screening.  All the other =
things you=20
would want to do as an investor, such as detailed charts, =
real-time/delayed=20
quotes, news, DDDD, status of M, education, etc. are available for free=20
somewhere on the internet.


 


As for=20
screening services, it seems that what you would want to look for is =
something=20
that has pre-built screens, but as/most importantly a service that you =
can=20
customize to build screens the way you want.  Some of the screening services =
that I=20
have found are :


 


Tc2000.com


Vectorvest.com


Cwhcharts.com


Cupwatch.com


IBD=20
(investors.com)


AAII.com=20
investor pro


 


I=92m sure=20
most people on this list can come up with a much bigger collection of =
screening=20
services.


 


The one=20
nice thing about IBD is that given a stock, you can easily find its =
sector, and=20
then find other companies in this sector to see how they are doing.  You can also get a sector=20
ranking.


 


Is this=20
a very na=EFve/beginner point of =
view?


 


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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Roger=20
Tawa           &n=
bsp;           &nb=
sp;           &nbs=
p;=20
rogerta@videotron.ca=20



 


[One=20
thing about paradigms:  =
shift=20
happens.]


[You=20
ain=92t nothing yet.]


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class=3DEmailStyle18> 


-----Original=20
Message-----
From:=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20
Behalf Of Duke Miller
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 =
7:53=20
PM
To:=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] stock=20
chart


 


Seems=20
we've started something with my throwing my two cents in. =20



 


Here are=20
a few more "cents".... four to be exact.


 


1) =20
IBD badgers us with threatening, certified letters when we use =
there=20
product(s) herein to further our education (and promote their=20
product).   That kind of arrogance makes me sick, especially =
after all=20
I've paid to them the past ten or more years.  Thousands!! (They =
talk about=20
how great companies put the customer first, then....never=20
mind.)


 


2) =20
About 90% of the Investor's corner stuff is pure b.s;  20-20 =
hindsight ad=20
nauseum with continual conflicting information to make their=20
points.


 


3) =20
They say their New America stocks, held for six month intervals, beat =
the=20
S&P by over 50%.  Only true if you go back to 1998; the =
past two=20
years is a different story.


 


4) =20
Their ABSOLUTE lob-sided op-ed page is enough to make even a Republican=20
puke!  Why don't they stick to what they're good =
at?


 


I like=20
Bill a lot; he's taught me a lot.  But I think he's milking a dead=20
cow...and overcharges, to boot, for everything.  Read back through =
the=20
archives herein; you'll find all you need to follow CANLSIM is =

available elsewhere.


 


Duke


 


 


-----Original=20
Message-----
From:=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
On Behalf Of Fred=20
Winkle
Sent: Sunday, =
November=20
17, 2002 2:06 PM
To:=20
canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock=20
chart


JC, maybe they no longer need =
WON to make=20
money and are advancing their own concepts. I've read the archives of =
the past 6=20
months and see a movement to use other sites (including personal) for=20
information. Before I tear the roof off, Mr. Worley does not fit into =
that=20
shoe.


 


I find IBD invaluable. =



 


Fred



----- =
Original Message=20
----- 





From: John =
Calkins=20





 



To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20



Sent: Sunday, =
November 17,=20
2002 12:08 PM


Subject: Re: =
[CANSLIM] stock=20
chart


 


Now let me =
get this=20
straight. This group is studying WON's concept of CANSLIM.  =
Granted, it=20
doesn't mean you need to take a subscription to his paper to follow his=20
teaching, BUT!  How do you find the quality stocks that the big =
money is=20
moving into?  I use IBD's Where The Big Money's Flowing to get =
started with=20
my lists.  This follows everything that WON teaches.  If you =
do not=20
get the paper, then how do you find those same =
stocks?


 


JC



----- =
Original Message=20
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From: Tom =
Worley=20





 



To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20



Sent: Saturday, =
November=20
16, 2002 6:40 PM


Subject: Re: =
[CANSLIM] stock=20
chart


 


why ask me, =
I have not=20
been a subscriber for many years


 


----- =
Original Message=20
----- 





 



From: Duke=20
Miller 


To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20



Sent: Saturday, =
November=20
16, 2002 9:41 PM


Subject: RE: =
[CANSLIM] stock=20
chart


 


Let me throw =
my two=20
cents in.  My subscription to IBD expired about ten days ago.  =




 


Just flat =
out decided=20
not to renew.  Do I miss it?  Ask Mr. =
Worely!


 


Duke



-----Original=20
Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com=20
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On=20
Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 =
5:39=20
PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] stock=20
chart


Hi Bikear,


 


You didn't say what you were =
looking for=20
when charting, but there are plenty of free resources on the web for =
basic=20
charts which will allow you to include a variety of technical =
indicators, moving=20
averages, etc. For example:


 


http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/charts/charting.asp?Symbol=3DS=
BUX


http://www.bigcharts.com


http://www.clearstation.com


 


If you want technicals and a =
comparative=20
RS Line to the SPX as the IBD charts show, see


http://www.stockcharts.com=



 


If you want the above plus RS =
Rank and U/D=20
volume plotted over time, see


http://www.cwhcharts=
com/charts/kmchart.php


 


If you want something more =
comprehensive,=20
you have to go to paid products such as HighGrowthStock, TC2000, DGO,=20
etc.


 


Katherine


 



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From: BIKEAR@aol.com =






 



To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20



Sent: Saturday, =
November=20
16, 2002 2:30 PM


Subject: Re: =
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<PRE>I am no longer =
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROOM
Date: 19 Nov 2002 07:06:38 -0500

Norm, the internet e-commerce group has been strong lately, hence the group
RS of 93 now. Others in the top six are AMZN, EXPE, UOPX, GYI, & TREE.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:41 PM


Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] MBT
Date: 19 Nov 2002 07:09:29 -0500

interesting play if you trust the Russian economy going forward. I do notice
the Telecom - wireless services group has been strong (GRS 87 now)

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:43 AM


I am liking this a whole lot and think it's making
a nice right side to the cup (LS 40.15, bottom 23.75)
Can anyone see any yellow flags that I may be missing?


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From: "Norman Boyd" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROOM
Date: 19 Nov 2002 06:13:25 -0600

Hi Tom,

UOPX and EXPE have been on my watch list for a few weeks now.

It just caught my attention that ROOM did something very similar to SYMC.
Maybe it's a M thing?  Maybe it's the low vol BOs?  Similar charts from
different businesses sometimes results when the M takes control, as it did
in July.

Norm

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:06 AM


> Norm, the internet e-commerce group has been strong lately, hence the
group
> RS of 93 now. Others in the top six are AMZN, EXPE, UOPX, GYI, & TREE.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norman Boyd" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:41 PM
> Subject: [CANSLIM] ROOM
>
>
> Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
> breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.
>
> Norm
>
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROOM
Date: 19 Nov 2002 07:30:23 -0500

I would agree, there is a lot of impatient money that has been sitting on
the sidelines itching to get back in. Makes sense that some more aggressive
money managers might start sneaking in partial positions early.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 7:13 AM


Hi Tom,

UOPX and EXPE have been on my watch list for a few weeks now.

It just caught my attention that ROOM did something very similar to SYMC.
Maybe it's a M thing?  Maybe it's the low vol BOs?  Similar charts from
different businesses sometimes results when the M takes control, as it did
in July.

Norm

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:06 AM


> Norm, the internet e-commerce group has been strong lately, hence the
group
> RS of 93 now. Others in the top six are AMZN, EXPE, UOPX, GYI, & TREE.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Norman Boyd" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:41 PM
> Subject: [CANSLIM] ROOM
>
>
> Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
> breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.
>
> Norm
>
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From: Fred Winkle 
Subject: Fw: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
Date: 18 Nov 2002 22:43:34 -0600

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Down 15 cents at the close but didn't sell once I learned that I owned a =
piece of Spider Man. Hopefully he'll throw out his web and we'll climb =
to a new high tomorrow.=20

Fred


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Fred Winkle=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume


  Let's see if I can make it 3 for 3. I just got an alert from them on =
MVL and bought it at $9.20 (it's at $9.24). I'll look up MVL after I =
sell it this afternoon. First time to ever buy a stock without knowing =
anything about them (bad).

  Fred
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Fred Winkle=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:24 PM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume


    Kent, who needs to count? I got an alert from cwhcharts at 12.18 =
that UOPX broke out. I also got an alert at 12.20 on SNDK. I was able to =
buy and sell them both because of these alerts. Made more than enough to =
pay for their yearly subscription. The best part is that I still have =
about 4 days left on my free trial.

    Check them out at http://www.cwhcharts.com

    Thank you Mike and Kathryn,
    Fred

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Kent Norman=20
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:57 PM
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume


      UOPX is + 7% at 726,000 shares today, aavg vol is 200,000.

      Regards
      Kent Norman


      =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
      There are 3 kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and =
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to a=20
new high tomorrow. 


 


Fred


 


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Fred =
Winkle=20
  
  
  
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 =
1:42=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX =
volume

  


  
Let's see if I can make it 3 for 3. I just got an alert from them =
on MVL=20
  and bought it at $9.20 (it's at $9.24). I'll look up MVL after I sell =
it this=20
  afternoon. First time to ever buy a stock without knowing anything =
about them=20
  (bad).

  
 

  
Fred

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    Fred =
Winkle=20
    
    
    
Sent: Monday, November 18, =
2002 1:24=20
    PM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX=20
volume

    


    
Kent, who needs to count? I got an alert from cwhcharts at =
12.18 that=20
    UOPX broke out. I also got an alert at 12.20 on SNDK. I was able to =
buy and=20
    sell them both because of these alerts. Made more than enough to pay =
for=20
    their yearly subscription. The best part is that I still have about =
4 days=20
    left on my free trial.

    
 

    
Check them out at http://www.cwhcharts.com

    
 

    
Thank you Mike and Kathryn,

    
Fred

    
 

    
      
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      Norman 
      
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
      

      
Sent: Monday, November 18, =
2002 12:57=20
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX =

      volume

      

UOPX is + 7% at 726,000 shares today, aavg vol is=20
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Norman


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From: Ian 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Any common trading patterns after a secondary offering?
Date: 19 Nov 2002 07:49:28 -0800

i all:

I was wondering if anyone had any real experience following stock trading
patterns after issuance of a secondary offering? What is the typical pattern
after the initial volume surge? Assuming that CANSLIM fundamentals, and
quarterly results are strong, will there be a lag before a price move? Is it
goof or bad for the near-term price action? Does it matter if the pricing
was a little below or above the previous days close? Is there something to
watch for on volume? Any input would be appreciated.

Than you,

Ian



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From: "Robin Gridley" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] eCommerce stocks
Date: 19 Nov 2002 08:58:03 -0800

One thing that is making me a little bit nervous
re: eCommerce stocks like Amazon etc. is the idea
that they will very likely soon have to start
charging and collecting sales tax. Last thing I
read a couple of days ago was that 20 states (CA
included...) had almost reached agreement on finally
implementing sales tax req's on Internet biz. Many
states that have passed on this before are now 
pursuing aggressively as it's seen as a place to
go for much needed revenue.

When you eliminate the pricing advantage that they've
had because of being able to avoid sales tax I think
you're going to see increased competitive pressure. And
with some of them like Amazon only just starting to
show black ink, I'm going to sit out and wait 'til
the dust settles.

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From: E2moskow@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 19 Nov 2002 12:31:42 EST


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Hi Mike:
     That is good news, she will be an asset to your 
enterprise.----------------------------------------------->Morris Moskowitz

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Hi Mike:

     That is good news, she will be an asset to your enterprise.----------------------------------------------->Morris Moskowitz

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From: "David Gerber" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 19 Nov 2002 10:33:15 -0800

Katherine and Mike are two classy people from what I can tell from reading
their many posts over the last few months.  I couldn't be more pleased for
them (and us!).  Good luck.

Dave Gerber



----- Original Message -----
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> To all subscribers,
>
> Some of you may remember that in late September, DGO FedEx'd letters to
> several members of our group who were also paying subscribers to DGO/IBD,
> including Katherine Malm. As a result, she was no longer able to use DGO's
> charts as the basis for her annotations when participating in CANSLIM list
> discussions. At the time, Katherine and I worked together to enhance my
> site's charts so that she would have the technical information necessary
to
> continue annotating charts as she had done previously with DGO's charts.
>
> As a result of that collaboration, Katherine and I began a new dialog and
I
> am pleased to announce that she has agreed to join cwhCharts.com as a
> part-owner.  Our goal for the site is to continue to enhance it with
> services and tools for the growth stock investor who follows the CANSLIM
> style.  Katherine's understanding of the application of Technical Analysis
> to the CANSLIM investment style and her excellent communication skills
will
> significantly advance our ability to achieve that goal and provide
> continually improving services to our subscribers.
>
> This doesn't in any way impact our desire to continue to actively
> participate in the CANSLIM discussions (as we both have been doing over
the
> past year). At the same time, however, I want to be sure that each of you
> are aware of our new business arrangement so that there is no perceived
> conflict of interest in our postings.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Mike Gibbons
> Proactive Technologies, LLC
> http://www.proactech.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Robin Gridley
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:55 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROOM
>
>
> Yes... saw it. Not the most inspiring of break-outs. After
> hours has it down slightly (around 1/2%) Didn't make me jump
> up and go 'hmmmmmm'...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Norman Boyd
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:41 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: [CANSLIM] ROOM
>
>
> Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
> breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.
>
> Norm
>
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Subject: Re: Fw: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
Date: 19 Nov 2002 11:32:21 -0800

Hi Fred,

Let me say while the cwhcharts is a great site, it would be a huge disservice
to Mike - and now Katherine - to base your buying or selling purely on the
basis of alerts. 

Alerts are a great idea (which I also plan to check out)to suppliment other
sources. I would highly recommend following up with your own due diligence of
the stocks fundamentals and recent news events. 

Enjoy,  

-Bill Triffet 

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:43:34 -0600 Fred Winkle  wrote:

> Down 15 cents at the close but didn't sell
> once I learned that I owned 
> a piece of Spider Man. Hopefully he'll throw
> out his web and we'll climb to a 
> new high tomorrow. 
>  
> Fred
>  
>  
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: 
>    href="mailto:winkle@swbell.net">Fred Winkle
> 
>   
>   To:   
> href="mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com
> 
>   Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:42 
>   PM
>   Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
>   
>   Let's see if I can make it 3 for 3. I just
> got an alert from them on MVL 
>   and bought it at $9.20 (it's at $9.24). I'll
> look up MVL after I sell it this 
>   afternoon. First time to ever buy a stock
> without knowing anything about them 
>   (bad).
>    


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From: "Mike Gibbons" 
Subject: RE: Fw: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
Date: 19 Nov 2002 10:43:13 -1000

Bill,

Thank you for making that point. The alerts are intended to supplement th=
e
watchlist information that we post on the site and certainly should not b=
e
used in isolation from the technical analysis we provide, supplemented by
the subscriber's own due diligence from other sources.

This gives me an opportunity to comment that I was a little disconcerted =
to
see yesterday's alert for MVL posted immediately to this group. Apart fro=
m
the misuse of proprietary information, which I'll ignore for now because =
of
the publicity it gives the site, the subscrbers to this list did not have
the benefit of knowing the context in which the alert was posted.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


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Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:32 AM


Hi Fred,

Let me say while the cwhcharts is a great site, it would be a huge
disservice
to Mike - and now Katherine - to base your buying or selling purely on th=
e
basis of alerts.

Alerts are a great idea (which I also plan to check out)to suppliment oth=
er
sources. I would highly recommend following up with your own due diligenc=
e
of
the stocks fundamentals and recent news events.

Enjoy,

-Bill Triffet

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:43:34 -0600 Fred Winkle  wrote:

> Down 15 cents at the close but=A0didn't sell
> once I learned that I owned
> a piece of Spider Man. Hopefully he'll throw
> out his web and we'll climb to a
> new high=A0tomorrow.
> =A0
> Fred
> =A0
> =A0
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From:
>    href=3D"mailto:winkle@swbell.net">Fred Winkle
>
>
>   To: 
> href=3D"mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com
>
>   Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:42
>   PM
>   Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
>
>   Let's see if I can make it 3 for 3. I just
> got an alert from them on MVL
>   and bought it at $9.20 (it's at $9.24). I'll
> look up MVL after I sell it this
>   afternoon. First time to ever buy a stock
> without knowing anything about them
>   (bad).
>   =A0


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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any common trading patterns after a secondary offering?
Date: 19 Nov 2002 15:21:37 -0600

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Hi Ian,

I've read financial studies that conclude that in the near term, a stock =
will fall on the secondary offering while the market absorbs the =
additional shares. In the long run, however, the stock performance =
depends more on the ability of the company to expand their =
revenue/earnings. In other words, the same thing that creates the =
underlying value for the shareholders in all cases. If the offering is a =
primary, where funds actually go to the company, it becomes particularly =
important, as the investing community looks for evidence that the =
company has effectively utilized the funds for growth.

I can't be of any help on the near-term trading patterns, as I haven't =
seen any specific studies on the phenomenon. I've uploaded a chart of =
BVF, which we discussed here on the CANSLIM list last year about the =
time they announced their secondary offering (approx mid-November). From =
what I've observed personally, this is a pretty typical chart pattern. =
See it at:

http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/BVF111902.JPG

Katherine

----- Original Message -----=20
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  Subject: [CANSLIM] Any common trading patterns after a secondary =
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  i all:

  I was wondering if anyone had any real experience following stock =
trading
  patterns after issuance of a secondary offering? What is the typical =
pattern
  after the initial volume surge? Assuming that CANSLIM fundamentals, =
and
  quarterly results are strong, will there be a lag before a price move? =
Is it
  goof or bad for the near-term price action? Does it matter if the =
pricing
  was a little below or above the previous days close? Is there =
something to
  watch for on volume? Any input would be appreciated.

  Than you,

  Ian



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actually go=20
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community=20
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i all:

I was wondering if anyone had any real =
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Assuming that=20
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Subject: [CANSLIM] Announcement
Date: 19 Nov 2002 14:59:29 -0600

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Hi Katherine,

I wish you the best in your new challenge; You will do a great job with your clear writing and the domain of the CANSLIM.

Best Wishes,

Luis Claramunt
Phone: (506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
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Hi Katherine,


 


I wish you the best in your new 
challenge; You will do a great job with your clear writing and the domain of the 
CANSLIM.


 


Best Wishes,


 


Luis Claramunt
Phone: 
(506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
San Jose, Costa Rica
mail to: 
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From: "Robin Gridley" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] online brokers
Date: 19 Nov 2002 15:18:13 -0800

I'm looking to (re)open an online trading account.
My original account was with eTrade, and I guess I
could go back to them. Have also looked at Datek/Ameritrade,
as well as Schwab's online service (CyberTrader Pro looks
REALLY REALLY cool... but I'm not sure I'm ready for
something that requires a 228 page manual....) Is
the additional research you can get through Schwab
worth it? Any feedback would be appreciated.


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From: "rolf hertenstein" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Market tops
Date: 19 Nov 2002 17:03:23 -0700

Went back to WON books today to see if I could understand what
the market is telling me since the FTD of 10 October.  During October,
the DOW, S&P500 and NASD experienced several distribution days.
Below is the date and percent drop for each index:

  DOW                     S&P                   NASD
 10/22 (1.0)           10/22 (1.1)           10/22 (1.3)
 10/24 (2.1)           10/24 (1.5)           10/24 (1.6)
 10/28 (0.9)           10/28 (0.8)           10/28 (1.2)
 10/31 (0.4)           10/29 (0.9)           
                              10/31 (0.6)

According to WON, this would have raised caution flags by
the end of October.  Until yesterday, only the S&P had another
distribution day in November [11/13 with a small (0.1)].  In 
November, the 3 indices had several accumulation days, especially
the NASD with the following gains:
DOW: 0.4,  0.1,  0.3,  0.2,  1.7
S&P: 0.8,  0.9,  0.8,  2.5
NASD: 2.0,  0.2,  2.3,  2.6,  1.3,  2.3,  0.9

Yesterday the NASD had a distribution day and today both the DOW
and S&P did, though with small % loss and not tremendous volume 
increase.

So, I have the following questions:
1. Do the accumulation days in early November negate the October
    distribution days, i.e., do we start counting distribution days again now?
2. Or are we still under a yellow flag?  Asked differently, how often do
    several distribution days *not* signal a probable xx% M decline?
3. Is the better performance of the NASD (less dis days and more 
    powerful acc days) implying that perhaps folks are still chasing old
    90s favorites?  And does this tell us anything about the health of this
    rally?

TIA for any thoughts or opinions.  I've spent most of my 'stock' time
over the past year trying to understand the M.

 Rolf  



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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] online brokers
Date: 19 Nov 2002 20:14:26 EST


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Dear Gridley:

Do your own research and pay $5.00 per trade at BROWN &Co.

Kris

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Do your own research and pay $5.00 per trade at BROWN &Co.



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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market tops
Date: 19 Nov 2002 17:25:36 -0800 (PST)

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This is a tricky time in the market, as there are a lot of cross currents. Seasonality and beta chasing are playing a large roll in supporting the market, as is short covering.
This market action reminds me a lot of 4Q '01. There is a lot of subsurface weakness, but strength in certain sectors- notably semiconductors and other techs- is helping prop the market up.
Note how the indices don't want to roll over, even though few breakouts are following through. The support is evident in two places: 1. in the indices, in that distribution days are coming on mediocre increases in volume, and dip buyers quickly come in and support the indices; 2. stock are generally reluctant to break down the way they would in a weaker environment. I have come across numerous stocks that break down from ranges, and then find support and don't continue their rollovers (this is, of course, not the case with all breakdowns, but enough that it shows some underlying buying power).
I think this market is running on residual momentum from the Oct low, combined with seasonality and short covering.
I would tend to scalp this market on either side, rather than try to hold for larger gains.
Eric
 rolf hertenstein  wrote:Went back to WON books today to see if I could understand what
the market is telling me since the FTD of 10 October. During October,
the DOW, S&P500 and NASD experienced several distribution days.
Below is the date and percent drop for each index:

DOW S&P NASD
10/22 (1.0) 10/22 (1.1) 10/22 (1.3)
10/24 (2.1) 10/24 (1.5) 10/24 (1.6)
10/28 (0.9) 10/28 (0.8) 10/28 (1.2)
10/31 (0.4) 10/29 (0.9) 
10/31 (0.6)

According to WON, this would have raised caution flags by
the end of October. Until yesterday, only the S&P had another
distribution day in November [11/13 with a small (0.1)]. In 
November, the 3 indices had several accumulation days, especially
the NASD with the following gains:
DOW: 0.4, 0.1, 0.3, 0.2, 1.7
S&P: 0.8, 0.9, 0.8, 2.5
NASD: 2.0, 0.2, 2.3, 2.6, 1.3, 2.3, 0.9

Yesterday the NASD had a distribution day and today both the DOW
and S&P did, though with small % loss and not tremendous volume 
increase.

So, I have the following questions:
1. Do the accumulation days in early November negate the October
distribution days, i.e., do we start counting distribution days again now?
2. Or are we still under a yellow flag? Asked differently, how often do
several distribution days *not* signal a probable xx% M decline?
3. Is the better performance of the NASD (less dis days and more 
powerful acc days) implying that perhaps folks are still chasing old
90s favorites? And does this tell us anything about the health of this
rally?

TIA for any thoughts or opinions. I've spent most of my 'stock' time
over the past year trying to understand the M.

Rolf 



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This is a tricky time in the market, as there are a lot of cross currents. Seasonality and beta chasing are playing a large roll in supporting the market, as is short covering.

This market action reminds me a lot of 4Q '01. There is a lot of subsurface weakness, but strength in certain sectors- notably semiconductors and other techs- is helping prop the market up.

Note how the indices don't want to roll over, even though few breakouts are following through. The support is evident in two places: 1. in the indices, in that distribution days are coming on mediocre increases in volume, and dip buyers quickly come in and support the indices; 2. stock are generally reluctant to break down the way they would in a weaker environment. I have come across numerous stocks that break down from ranges, and then find support and don't continue their rollovers (this is, of course, not the case with all breakdowns, but enough that it shows some underlying buying power).

I think this market is running on residual momentum from the Oct low, combined with seasonality and short covering.

I would tend to scalp this market on either side, rather than try to hold for larger gains.

Eric

 rolf hertenstein <rolfh@mindspring.com> wrote:

Went back to WON books today to see if I could understand what
the market is telling me since the FTD of 10 October. During October,
the DOW, S&P500 and NASD experienced several distribution days.
Below is the date and percent drop for each index:

DOW S&P NASD
10/22 (1.0) 10/22 (1.1) 10/22 (1.3)
10/24 (2.1) 10/24 (1.5) 10/24 (1.6)
10/28 (0.9) 10/28 (0.8) 10/28 (1.2)
10/31 (0.4) 10/29 (0.9) 
10/31 (0.6)

According to WON, this would have raised caution flags by
the end of October. Until yesterday, only the S&P had another
distribution day in November [11/13 with a small (0.1)]. In 
November, the 3 indices had several accumulation days, especially
the NASD with the following gains:
DOW: 0.4, 0.1, 0.3, 0.2, 1.7
S&P: 0.8, 0.9, 0.8, 2.5
NASD: 2.0, 0.2, 2.3, 2.6, 1.3, 2.3, 0.9

Yesterday the NASD had a distribution day and today both the DOW
and S&P did, though with small % loss and not tremendous volume 
increase.

So, I have the following questions:
1. Do the accumulation days in early November negate the October
distribution days, i.e., do we start counting distribution days again now?
2. Or are we still under a yellow flag? Asked differently, how often do
several distribution days *not* signal a probable xx% M decline?
3. Is the better performance of the NASD (less dis days and more 
powerful acc days) implying that perhaps folks are still chasing old
90s favorites? And does this tell us anything about the health of this
rally?

TIA for any thoughts or opinions. I've spent most of my 'stock' time
over the past year trying to understand the M.

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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] institutional sponsorship
Date: 19 Nov 2002 20:38:23 -0600

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Hi Robin,

I think % institutional sponsorship is the great paradox of CANSLIM =
investing. On one hand, you *want* good sponsorship, as the CANSLIM =
method essentially rides their coattails. On the other, you don't want =
an overabundance, as the stock tends to take a dive when the =
institutional crowd puts on its herd-mentality-cap. I personally rank % =
ownership *way* down in the list when evaluating the stock. If the =
fundamentals are sound, the technicals are sound (and it's not a late =
stage base), and you can make a good case for the stock's continued =
growth earnings/revenues via your due diligence, then I wouldn't kick =
out a candidate simply because it's 30% owned. All else being equal =
however, % ownership might make a good tie breaker between two good =
candidates.

Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Robin Gridley=20
  To: CANSLIM=20
  Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:15 PM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] institutional sponsorship


  I'm not sure if this is a fair observation or not...

  A lot of the stocks that I'm looking into because
  I like the charts (and have decent fundamentals...)
  are coming up with institutional ownership well over
  30%. Is this a common phenomena (the funds buy the
  stuff with the good fundamentals just as I'm looking=20
  for...) or is this made more of an issue because
  there are not a whole lot of great choices out there
  so the institutions are more prevalent in the ones
  that look favorable....



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Hi Robin,


 


I think % institutional sponsorship is the great paradox of CANSLIM =

investing. On one hand, you *want* good sponsorship, as the CANSLIM =
method=20
essentially rides their coattails. On the other, you don't want an=20
overabundance, as the stock tends to take a dive when the institutional =
crowd=20
puts on its herd-mentality-cap. I personally rank % ownership *way* down =
in the=20
list when evaluating the stock. If the fundamentals are sound, the =
technicals=20
are sound (and it's not a late stage base), and you can make a good case =
for the=20
stock's continued growth earnings/revenues via your due diligence, then =
I=20
wouldn't kick out a candidate simply because it's 30% owned. All else =
being=20
equal however, % ownership might make a good tie breaker between two =
good=20
candidates.


 


Katherine


  
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  Gridley 
  
To: CANSLIM 

  
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 =
11:15=20
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Subject: [CANSLIM] =
institutional=20
  sponsorship

  

I'm not sure if this is a fair observation or =
not...

A=20
  lot of the stocks that I'm looking into because
I like the charts =
(and have=20
  decent fundamentals...)
are coming up with institutional ownership =
well=20
  over
30%. Is this a common phenomena (the funds buy the
stuff =
with the=20
  good fundamentals just as I'm looking 
for...) or is this made more =
of an=20
  issue because
there are not a whole lot of great choices out =
there
so=20
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that look=20
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From: "David Taggart" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] online brokers
Date: 19 Nov 2002 20:40:00 -0700

	For your question is the additional research worth it I would
give it a definite maybe.  If you do a lot of discretionary trading then
some of the services they give are excellent.  Ken Tower has a group of
guys that are excellent technical analysts that present many good solid
trading ideas. And charting from direct access software tends to be
quite good but if you are sticking to strict CANSLIM then none of the
additional tools will help you out much and might even affect your
judgement.  Onbe question that is worth asking yourself is do I NEED
realtime quotes?  If the answer is yes then get a direct access platform
such as Cybertrader or Realtick (what I use).  But if you don't need it
then stick with a regular online broker.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 4:18 PM

I'm looking to (re)open an online trading account.
My original account was with eTrade, and I guess I
could go back to them. Have also looked at Datek/Ameritrade,
as well as Schwab's online service (CyberTrader Pro looks
REALLY REALLY cool... but I'm not sure I'm ready for
something that requires a 228 page manual....) Is
the additional research you can get through Schwab
worth it? Any feedback would be appreciated.


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] online brokers
Date: 19 Nov 2002 23:01:11 -0500

Hi Robin,

My accounts are with Schwab, but if you plan to use margin, I would not
recommend them. I can't count the number of times their maintenance
requirement on a highly liquid stock priced in the high teens or low
twenties, and optionable to boot, was 100%. I have complained, and the only
time I won, it took me over four months of barraging them with emails, as
well as contact from the company I was trying to buy on margin, before they
finally were willing to margin it. Their excuses, in my opinion, were pure
B.S.

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I'm looking to (re)open an online trading account.
My original account was with eTrade, and I guess I
could go back to them. Have also looked at Datek/Ameritrade,
as well as Schwab's online service (CyberTrader Pro looks
REALLY REALLY cool... but I'm not sure I'm ready for
something that requires a 228 page manual....) Is
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Market tops
Date: 19 Nov 2002 23:07:18 -0500

Rolf,

I think the better performance lately by Naz is little more than a
reflection that it sold off far more than other major indexes. And I also
think it still represents collectively the best probability of revenue and
earnings growth, new products, entrepreneurial activity, etc.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 7:03 PM


Went back to WON books today to see if I could understand what
the market is telling me since the FTD of 10 October.  During October,
the DOW, S&P500 and NASD experienced several distribution days.
Below is the date and percent drop for each index:

  DOW                     S&P                   NASD
 10/22 (1.0)           10/22 (1.1)           10/22 (1.3)
 10/24 (2.1)           10/24 (1.5)           10/24 (1.6)
 10/28 (0.9)           10/28 (0.8)           10/28 (1.2)
 10/31 (0.4)           10/29 (0.9)
                              10/31 (0.6)

According to WON, this would have raised caution flags by
the end of October.  Until yesterday, only the S&P had another
distribution day in November [11/13 with a small (0.1)].  In
November, the 3 indices had several accumulation days, especially
the NASD with the following gains:
DOW: 0.4,  0.1,  0.3,  0.2,  1.7
S&P: 0.8,  0.9,  0.8,  2.5
NASD: 2.0,  0.2,  2.3,  2.6,  1.3,  2.3,  0.9

Yesterday the NASD had a distribution day and today both the DOW
and S&P did, though with small % loss and not tremendous volume
increase.

So, I have the following questions:
1. Do the accumulation days in early November negate the October
    distribution days, i.e., do we start counting distribution days again
now?
2. Or are we still under a yellow flag?  Asked differently, how often do
    several distribution days *not* signal a probable xx% M decline?
3. Is the better performance of the NASD (less dis days and more
    powerful acc days) implying that perhaps folks are still chasing old
    90s favorites?  And does this tell us anything about the health of this
    rally?

TIA for any thoughts or opinions.  I've spent most of my 'stock' time
over the past year trying to understand the M.

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From: Sol Mayer 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any common trading patterns after a secondary offering?
Date: 20 Nov 2002 07:19:01 -0800 (PST)

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I don't know whether BVF is the best example as I think they had some regulatory issues in the interim. But I'm a little biased as I'm stuck in FOX which just announced a secondary and I'm in a little quandry as to what to do.
 Katherine Malm  wrote:Hi Ian, I've read financial studies that conclude that in the near term, a stock will fall on the secondary offering while the market absorbs the additional shares. In the long run, however, the stock performance depends more on the ability of the company to expand their revenue/earnings. In other words, the same thing that creates the underlying value for the shareholders in all cases. If the offering is a primary, where funds actually go to the company, it becomes particularly important, as the investing community looks for evidence that the company has effectively utilized the funds for growth. I can't be of any help on the near-term trading patterns, as I haven't seen any specific studies on the phenomenon. I've uploaded a chart of BVF, which we discussed here on the CANSLIM list last year about the time they announced their secondary offering (approx mid-November). From what I've observed personally, this is a pretty typical chart pattern. See it at: http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/BVF111902.JPG Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:49 AMSubject: [CANSLIM] Any common trading patterns after a secondary offering?
i all:

I was wondering if anyone had any real experience following stock trading
patterns after issuance of a secondary offering? What is the typical pattern
after the initial volume surge? Assuming that CANSLIM fundamentals, and
quarterly results are strong, will there be a lag before a price move? Is it
goof or bad for the near-term price action? Does it matter if the pricing
was a little below or above the previous days close? Is there something to
watch for on volume? Any input would be appreciated.

Than you,

Ian



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I don't know whether BVF is the best example as I think they had some regulatory issues in the interim. But I'm a little biased as I'm stuck in FOX which just announced a secondary and I'm in a little quandry as to what to do.

 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> wrote:






Hi Ian,


 


I've read financial studies that conclude that in the near term, a stock will fall on the secondary offering while the market absorbs the additional shares. In the long run, however, the stock performance depends more on the ability of the company to expand their revenue/earnings. In other words, the same thing that creates the underlying value for the shareholders in all cases. If the offering is a primary, where funds actually go to the company, it becomes particularly important, as the investing community looks for evidence that the company has effectively utilized the funds for growth.


 


I can't be of any help on the near-term trading patterns, as I haven't seen any specific studies on the phenomenon. I've uploaded a chart of BVF, which we discussed here on the CANSLIM list last year about the time they announced their secondary offering (approx mid-November). From what I've observed personally, this is a pretty typical chart pattern. See it at:


 



 


Katherine


 


----- Original Message ----- 




From: Ian 



Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:49 AM


Subject: [CANSLIM] Any common trading patterns after a secondary offering?



i all:

I was wondering if anyone had any real experience following stock trading
patterns after issuance of a secondary offering? What is the typical pattern
after the initial volume surge? Assuming that CANSLIM fundamentals, and
quarterly results are strong, will there be a lag before a price move? Is it
goof or bad for the near-term price action? Does it matter if the pricing
was a little below or above the previous days close? Is there something to
watch for on volume? Any input would be appreciated.

Than you,

Ian



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From: Sol Mayer 
Subject: RE: Fw: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
Date: 20 Nov 2002 07:25:24 -0800 (PST)

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Mike what sort of alerts does your site offer i.e based upon your criteria or can I input my own criteria etc. You can answer   offline about the particulars
 
 Mike Gibbons  wrote:Bill,

Thank you for making that point. The alerts are intended to supplement the
watchlist information that we post on the site and certainly should not be
used in isolation from the technical analysis we provide, supplemented by
the subscriber's own due diligence from other sources.

This gives me an opportunity to comment that I was a little disconcerted to
see yesterday's alert for MVL posted immediately to this group. Apart from
the misuse of proprietary information, which I'll ignore for now because of
the publicity it gives the site, the subscrbers to this list did not have
the benefit of knowing the context in which the alert was posted.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


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btriffet@earthlink.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:32 AM


Hi Fred,

Let me say while the cwhcharts is a great site, it would be a huge
disservice
to Mike - and now Katherine - to base your buying or selling purely on the
basis of alerts.

Alerts are a great idea (which I also plan to check out)to suppliment other
sources. I would highly recommend following up with your own due diligence
of
the stocks fundamentals and recent news events.

Enjoy,

-Bill Triffet

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:43:34 -0600 Fred Winkle wrote:

> Down 15 cents at the close but didn't sell
> once I learned that I owned
> a piece of Spider Man. Hopefully he'll throw
> out his web and we'll climb to a
> new high tomorrow.
>  
> Fred
>  
>  
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> > href="mailto:winkle@swbell.net">Fred Winkle
>
>
> To: >
> href="mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com
>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:42
> PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
>
> Let's see if I can make it 3 for 3. I just
> got an alert from them on MVL
> and bought it at $9.20 (it's at $9.24). I'll
> look up MVL after I sell it this
> afternoon. First time to ever buy a stock
> without knowing anything about them
> (bad).
>  


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Mike what sort of alerts does your site offer i.e based upon your criteria or can I input my own criteria etc. You can answer   offline about the particulars

 

 Mike Gibbons <mike@proactech.com> wrote:

Bill,

Thank you for making that point. The alerts are intended to supplement the
watchlist information that we post on the site and certainly should not be
used in isolation from the technical analysis we provide, supplemented by
the subscriber's own due diligence from other sources.

This gives me an opportunity to comment that I was a little disconcerted to
see yesterday's alert for MVL posted immediately to this group. Apart from
the misuse of proprietary information, which I'll ignore for now because of
the publicity it gives the site, the subscrbers to this list did not have
the benefit of knowing the context in which the alert was posted.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
btriffet@earthlink.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:32 AM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume


Hi Fred,

Let me say while the cwhcharts is a great site, it would be a huge
disservice
to Mike - and now Katherine - to base your buying or selling purely on the
basis of alerts.

Alerts are a great idea (which I also plan to check out)to suppliment other
sources. I would highly recommend following up with your own due diligence
of
the stocks fundamentals and recent news events.

Enjoy,

-Bill Triffet

On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:43:34 -0600 Fred Winkle wrote:

> Down 15 cents at the close but didn't sell
> once I learned that I owned
> a piece of Spider Man. Hopefully he'll throw
> out his web and we'll climb to a
> new high tomorrow.
>  
> Fred
>  
>  
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> > href="mailto:winkle@swbell.net">Fred Winkle
>
>
> To: >
> href="mailto:canslim@lists.xmission.com">canslim@lists.xmission.com
>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:42
> PM
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] UOPX volume
>
> Let's see if I can make it 3 for 3. I just
> got an alert from them on MVL
> and bought it at $9.20 (it's at $9.24). I'll
> look up MVL after I sell it this
> afternoon. First time to ever buy a stock
> without knowing anything about them
> (bad).
>  


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From: "Patrick Wahl" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Data Mining
Date: 20 Nov 2002 10:53:24 -0700

Some comments on data mining from Mark Hulbert.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F22024382


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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Data Mining
Date: 20 Nov 2002 15:06:42 -0600

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Katherine
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  Some comments on data mining from Mark Hulbert.

  http://makeashorterlink.com/?F22024382


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From: "Kelly Short" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROOM
Date: 20 Nov 2002 15:19:17 -0600

Tom,

If I remember correctly you suggested a move in the e-commerce realm a =
few weeks ago- would you still advise the same today?

Kelly

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Norm, the internet e-commerce group has been strong lately, hence the =
group
RS of 93 now. Others in the top six are AMZN, EXPE, UOPX, GYI, & TREE.

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Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: "Patrick Wahl" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Data Mining
Date: 20 Nov 2002 17:59:49 -0700

That is actually a pretty interesting subject.  I have seen some more 
extended articles in the past on that subject, from what I remember some 
of the modifications to the original Dogs of the Dow fell into the Data 
Mining category.  Many pitfalls out there for us investors.

On 20 Nov 2002 at 15:06, Katherine Malm wrote:

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Subject: [CANSLIM] I Got It
Date: 20 Nov 2002 17:05:13 -0600

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I spent most of the day (Monday) talking to several money managers, a =
tax specialist and a member of Alliance Capital's research team. It was =
a fun day and evening, filled with guarded optimism.... Merrill Lynch =
hosted the events..... the guy from Alliance said that we would remember =
what he had to say if we remembered 3 words .... I Got It.... his fuel =
for the 2003 economy....

I =3D interest rates=20

G =3D government spending
O =3D oil prices =20
T =3D tax incentives=20

I =3D low inventories=20
T =3D time to buy equities

They all were predicting that the 2003 leaders will be healthcare and =
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any common trading patterns after a secondary offering?
Date: 20 Nov 2002 21:45:49 -0500

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my general experience is that 90% of stocks will decline in price =
between the date where the secondary is announced (or a few days before, =
depending on how good their internal secrecy is) and the day that the =
deal is priced. Many (most?) are priced at or slightly below the prior =
day's closing price. Some will bounce up the day they or priced, or the =
day after, but generally getting the offering out of the way is seen as =
a positive, so all else being equal the price tends to rise after that.  =
If the offering was solely and strictly to register already existing =
shares (e.g. a secondary) then the offering announcement tends to have =
equal negative affect, and completion of the offering tends to have less =
positive affect (since the company didn't get any money from it).

If it is a primary offering (company selling new shares, so gets the =
money from them), then the key for me has always been what they intend =
to do with that money. If they are just paying off debt, big whoopee. If =
they are using it for growth, acquisition, etc., then that tends to have =
a stronger positive affect.

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offering?


I don't know whether BVF is the best example as I think they had some =
regulatory issues in the interim. But I'm a little biased as I'm stuck =
in FOX which just announced a secondary and I'm in a little quandry as =
to what to do.=20

 Katherine Malm  wrote:=20

  Hi Ian,

  I've read financial studies that conclude that in the near term, a =
stock will fall on the secondary offering while the market absorbs the =
additional shares. In the long run, however, the stock performance =
depends more on the ability of the company to expand their =
revenue/earnings. In other words, the same thing that creates the =
underlying value for the shareholders in all cases. If the offering is a =
primary, where funds actually go to the company, it becomes particularly =
important, as the investing community looks for evidence that the =
company has effectively utilized the funds for growth.

  I can't be of any help on the near-term trading patterns, as I haven't =
seen any specific studies on the phenomenon. I've uploaded a chart of =
BVF, which we discussed here on the CANSLIM list last year about the =
time they announced their secondary offering (approx mid-November). From =
what I've observed personally, this is a pretty typical chart pattern. =
See it at:

  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/BVF111902.JPG

  Katherine

  ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Ian=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:49 AM
    Subject: [CANSLIM] Any common trading patterns after a secondary =
offering?


    i all:

    I was wondering if anyone had any real experience following stock =
trading
    patterns after issuance of a secondary offering? What is the typical =
pattern
    after the initial volume surge? Assuming that CANSLIM fundamentals, =
and
    quarterly results are strong, will there be a lag before a price =
move? Is it
    goof or bad for the near-term price action? Does it matter if the =
pricing
    was a little below or above the previous days close? Is there =
something to
    watch for on volume? Any input would be appreciated.

    Than you,

    Ian



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days=20
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that the=20
deal is priced. Many (most?) are priced at or slightly below the prior =
day's=20
closing price. Some will bounce up the day they or priced, or the day =
after, but=20
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all else=20
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was solely=20
and strictly to register already existing shares (e.g. a secondary) then =
the=20
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completion of the=20
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get any=20
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whoopee. If=20
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a=20
stronger positive affect.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Sol =
Mayer 



Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:19 AM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Any common trading patterns after a =
secondary=20
offering?





I don't know whether BVF is the best example as I think they had some =

regulatory issues in the interim. But I'm a little biased as I'm stuck =
in FOX=20
which just announced a secondary and I'm in a little quandry as to what =
to do.=20

 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> =
wrote:=20

  
  

  
Hi Ian,

  
 

  
I've read financial studies that conclude that in the near term, =
a stock=20
  will fall on the secondary offering while the market absorbs the =
additional=20
  shares. In the long run, however, the stock performance depends=20
  more on the ability of the company to expand their =
revenue/earnings. In=20
  other words, the same thing that creates the underlying value for the=20
  shareholders in all cases. If the offering is a primary, where funds =
actually=20
  go to the company, it becomes particularly important, as the investing =

  community looks for evidence that the company has effectively utilized =
the=20
  funds for growth.

  
 

  
I can't be of any help on the near-term trading patterns, as I =
haven't=20
  seen any specific studies on the phenomenon. I've uploaded a chart of =
BVF,=20
  which we discussed here on the CANSLIM list last year about the time =
they=20
  announced their secondary offering (approx mid-November). From what =
I've=20
  observed personally, this is a pretty typical chart pattern. See it =
at:

  
 

  
http://WallStree=
t-LLC.com/canslim/BVF111902.JPG

  
 

  
Katherine

  
 

  
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Sent: Tuesday, November 19, =
2002 9:49=20
    AM

    
Subject: [CANSLIM] Any common =
trading=20
    patterns after a secondary offering?

    

i all:

I was wondering if anyone had any real=20
    experience following stock trading
patterns after issuance of a =
secondary=20
    offering? What is the typical pattern
after the initial volume =
surge?=20
    Assuming that CANSLIM fundamentals, and
quarterly results are =
strong,=20
    will there be a lag before a price move? Is it
goof or bad for =
the=20
    near-term price action? Does it matter if the pricing
was a =
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watch for =
on=20
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Than=20
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ROOM
Date: 20 Nov 2002 21:49:49 -0500

I don't recall saying any particular about the e-commerce sector. I did
speak positively of the internet / computer security groups.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 4:19 PM


Tom,

If I remember correctly you suggested a move in the e-commerce realm a few
weeks ago- would you still advise the same today?

Kelly

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:07 AM


Norm, the internet e-commerce group has been strong lately, hence the group
RS of 93 now. Others in the top six are AMZN, EXPE, UOPX, GYI, & TREE.

----- Original Message -----
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Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: Ian 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I Got It
Date: 20 Nov 2002 23:14:04 -0800

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Healthcare and Financial Services? Doesn't that seem like a contradiction? All those positive stimuli leaving me extra cash, and I rush out to spend it at my doctor and the bank? Not really very ambitious :)

Cheers,

Ian

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gene Ricci 
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:05 PM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] I Got It


  I spent most of the day (Monday) talking to several money managers, a tax specialist and a member of Alliance Capital's research team. It was a fun day and evening, filled with guarded optimism.... Merrill Lynch hosted the events..... the guy from Alliance said that we would remember what he had to say if we remembered 3 words .... I Got It.... his fuel for the 2003 economy....

  I = interest rates 

  G = government spending
  O = oil prices  
  T = tax incentives 

  I = low inventories 
  T = time to buy equities

  They all were predicting that the 2003 leaders will be healthcare and financial services.
   
  Gene

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Healthcare and Financial Services? Doesn't that seem like a 
contradiction? All those positive stimuli leaving me extra cash, and I rush out 
to spend it at my doctor and the bank? Not really very ambitious :)


 


Cheers,


 


Ian


 



  
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From: 
  Gene Ricci 

  
  
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:05 
  PM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] I Got It

  


  
I spent most of the day (Monday) talking to 
  several money managers, a tax specialist and a member of Alliance Capital's 
  research team. It was a fun day and evening, filled with guarded optimism.... 
  Merrill Lynch hosted the events..... the guy from Alliance said that we would 
  remember what he had to say if we remembered 3 words .... I Got It.... his 
  fuel for the 2003 economy....

I = interest rates 

G = government 
  spending
O = oil prices  
T = tax incentives 

I = low 
  inventories 
T = time to buy equities

They all were predicting that 
  the 2003 leaders will be healthcare and financial services.

  
 

  
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From: "Fred Richards" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AB charts updated
Date: 03 May 2002 10:42:48 -0500

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Those are stocks that have an "A" in the Acc/Dist column and whose =
combined EPS and RS numbers equal 194 or above.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AB charts updated


  What is A+194? I see the IBD 600 list each day,  but I don't =
understand A+194.
    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 7:58 AM
    Subject: [CANSLIM] AB charts updated


    We have updated the AB charts from the IBD Accumulate/Distribution =
numbers and added some new charts as well to the public site.

    They are available at:  http://www.adrich.com/SI/Info/A's.htm

    Fred Richards

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Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 =
10:39 AM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] AB =
charts=20
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What is A+194? I see the IBD 600 list =
each=20
  day,  but I don't understand A+194.

  

    
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Richards=20

    
    
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 =
7:58=20
AM

    
Subject: [CANSLIM] AB charts=20
    updated

    


    
We =
have updated=20
    the AB charts from the IBD Accumulate/Distribution numbers and added =
some=20
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From: "Kelly Short" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ROOM
Date: 21 Nov 2002 08:44:55 -0600

Tom,

Forgive me- was not trying to box you into a corner. You speak =
"positively" of the internet / computer security group. Do you still =
(today) speak positively of these groups or would you say their steam =
has been expelled?

Kelly


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:50 PM


I don't recall saying any particular about the e-commerce sector. I did
speak positively of the internet / computer security groups.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 4:19 PM


Tom,

If I remember correctly you suggested a move in the e-commerce realm a =
few
weeks ago- would you still advise the same today?

Kelly

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:07 AM


Norm, the internet e-commerce group has been strong lately, hence the =
group
RS of 93 now. Others in the top six are AMZN, EXPE, UOPX, GYI, & TREE.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:41 PM


Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: "Robin Gridley" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] I Got It
Date: 21 Nov 2002 07:22:46 -0800

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Or it's all the retirees getting sick thinking about the fixed income their
NOT making because of non-existant interest on their CDs, money markets and
other M2 type investments.....
  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ian
  Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:14 PM
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I Got It


  Healthcare and Financial Services? Doesn't that seem like a contradiction?
All those positive stimuli leaving me extra cash, and I rush out to spend it
at my doctor and the bank? Not really very ambitious :)

  Cheers,

  Ian

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Gene Ricci
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
    Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:05 PM
    Subject: [CANSLIM] I Got It


    I spent most of the day (Monday) talking to several money managers, a
tax specialist and a member of Alliance Capital's research team. It was a
fun day and evening, filled with guarded optimism.... Merrill Lynch hosted
the events..... the guy from Alliance said that we would remember what he
had to say if we remembered 3 words .... I Got It.... his fuel for the 2003
economy....

    I = interest rates

    G = government spending
    O = oil prices
    T = tax incentives

    I = low inventories
    T = time to buy equities

    They all were predicting that the 2003 leaders will be healthcare and
financial services.

    Gene

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NOT=20
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and


other=20
M2 type investments.....



  
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Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:14 =
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To:=20
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] I Got=20
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Healthcare and Financial Services? Doesn't that =
seem like a=20
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rush=20
  out to spend it at my doctor and the bank? Not really very ambitious=20
  :)

  
 

  
Cheers,

  
 

  
Ian

  
 

  
    
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Ricci 
    
    
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, =
2002 3:05=20
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Subject: [CANSLIM] I Got =
It

    


    
I spent most of the day (Monday) =
talking to=20
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Alliance said=20
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.... I=20
    Got It.... his fuel for the 2003 economy....

I =3D interest =
rates=20
    

G =3D government spending
O =3D oil prices  
T =
=3D tax=20
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I =3D low inventories 
T =3D time to buy=20
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From: Marc Deiter 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Handle's and volume
Date: 21 Nov 2002 08:54:40 -0800 (PST)

I was reviewing some information on handles and volume.  WON mentions
that volume in a good handle should dry up to a "trickle". 
Katherine's Handle Characteristics e-mail mentions "light volume". 
Anyone want to offer a quantifiable number on what they believe
"light" and "a trickle" mean?  Example, does 50% of the ADV generally
qualify for light and a trickle?

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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Handle's and volume
Date: 21 Nov 2002 11:12:30 -0600

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Hi Marc,

I don't think the absolute volume is as important as the *trend* in =
volume in the handle. As the stock builds the right side of the base, =
you want to see ever increasing volume (especially on up days) =
demonstrating strong accumulation. As the handle begins and the pivot =
forms, the action in the handle should see volume fade back to levels =
lower than recent volume levels and continue to fade as the price drifts =
lower. For the most part, the down days should be on low volume, though =
you'll often see one or two distribution days.=20

I like to think of it as a bevy of strong folks working hard to push a =
ball uphill during the right side of the cup, then once they near the =
high part of the hill, a few folks take off because they're tired and =
don't want to push any longer, and a few take a break to catch their =
breath. That lighter action while holding the ball up in the interim is =
the handle, as it slips back a bit while the folks regroup. Those that =
are committed to rolling the ball uphill stick around and hold up the =
fort. When the folks taking a break are rested up and some newcomers =
join in, they all help push the ball uphill with renewed conviction =
(forming the breakout).

Katherine
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  I was reviewing some information on handles and volume.  WON mentions
  that volume in a good handle should dry up to a "trickle".=20
  Katherine's Handle Characteristics e-mail mentions "light volume".=20
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the handle=20
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and=20
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days=20
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days.=20



 


I like to think of it as a bevy of strong folks working hard to =
push a ball=20
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part of=20
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push any=20
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action while=20
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while=20
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stick=20
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rested up=20
and some newcomers join in, they all help push the ball uphill with =
renewed=20
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Subject: [CANSLIM] Handle's and =

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From: btriffet@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: RE: [CANSLIM] ROOM
Date: 21 Nov 2002 09:20:09 -0800 (PST)

I'd like to jump in and say, the internet/ comp security group would be a good play on the whole terrorism issue. Look for ones that specialize in firewall/server protection. This could include hardware as well. Not sure how much spending has been done by IT depts or how much more there will be but I bet there will be more as threats increase.

-Bill
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> Tom,

Forgive me- was not trying to box you into a corner. You speak "positively" of the internet / computer security group. Do you still (today) speak positively of these groups or would you say their steam has been expelled?

Kelly


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:50 PM


I don't recall saying any particular about the e-commerce sector. I did
speak positively of the internet / computer security groups.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 4:19 PM


Tom,

If I remember correctly you suggested a move in the e-commerce realm a few
weeks ago- would you still advise the same today?

Kelly

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:07 AM


Norm, the internet e-commerce group has been strong lately, hence the group
RS of 93 now. Others in the top six are AMZN, EXPE, UOPX, GYI, & TREE.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:41 PM


Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

Norm


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From: Ian 
Subject: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 13:23:11 -0800

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Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?

It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

Ian

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Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this 
buying frenzy?


 


It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are 
rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, 
propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.


 


It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to 
benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense 
and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as 
well.


 


So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just 
shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? 
Opinions? Whither 'M'?


 


Ian


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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:04:01 -0600

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Hi Ian,

Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the =
sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in =
government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this action from the sideline as well."

I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is =
definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as =
healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ian=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] M


  Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying =
frenzy?

  It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly =
today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by =
the most heavily shorted isues.

  It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the =
most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

  So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term =
traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? =
Whither 'M'?

  Ian
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Hi Ian,


 


Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me =
that the=20
sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in =
government=20
spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action =
from the=20
sideline as well."

 


I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money =
is=20
definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as=20
healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen=20
since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.


 


Katherine



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Ian =

  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 3:23=20
  PM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging =
from this=20
  buying frenzy?

  
 

  
It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders are=20
  rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead,=20
  propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

  
 

  
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that =
stand to=20
  benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - =
the=20
  defense and security sector - are watching this action from the =
sideline as=20
  well.

  
 

  
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is =
this just=20
  shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted =
positions?=20
  Opinions? Whither 'M'?

  
 

  
Ian


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From: "Kelly Short" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:10:57 -0600

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Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from =
this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the =
handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on =
the parade!

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Hi Ian,
=20
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the =
sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in =
government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this action from the sideline as well."=20
=20
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is =
definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as =
healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.
=20
Katherine

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM

Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying =
frenzy?
=20
It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly =
today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by =
the most heavily shorted isues.
=20
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the =
most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.
=20
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term =
traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? =
Whither 'M'?
=20
Ian

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Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's =
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this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the =
handle=20
seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on the=20
parade!



  
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From: Katherine Malm=20
  [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 3:04=20
  PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: =
[CANSLIM]=20
  M


  
Hi Ian,

  
 

  
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me =
that the=20
  sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in=20
  government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this=20
  action from the sideline as well."=20
  
 

  
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money =
is=20
  definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as=20
  healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen=20
  since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

  
 

  
Katherine

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    Ian =

    
    
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 3:23=20
    PM

    
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

    


    
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners =
emerging from=20
    this buying frenzy?

    
 

    
It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders are=20
    rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead,=20
    propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

    
 

    
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that =
stand to=20
    benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - =
the=20
    defense and security sector - are watching this action from the =
sideline as=20
    well.

    
 

    
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or =
is this=20
    just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted =
positions?=20
    Opinions? Whither 'M'?

    
 

    
Ian

  

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From: "kentuna" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 14:28:03 -0700

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Katherine,
I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define small =
cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.
Thanks
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Katherine Malm=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


  Hi Ian,

  Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that =
the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in =
government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this action from the sideline as well."=20

  I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is =
definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as =
healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

  Katherine
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Ian=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
    Subject: [CANSLIM] M


    Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying =
frenzy?

    It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over =
ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled =
by the most heavily shorted isues.

    It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the =
most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

    So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just =
shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? =
Opinions? Whither 'M'?

    Ian

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Katherine,


I know this has been discussed before, =
but would=20
you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual =

criteria that is used.


Thanks



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Katherine=20
  Malm 
  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 2:04=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
Hi Ian,

  
 

  
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me =
that the=20
  sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in=20
  government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this=20
  action from the sideline as well."=20
  
 

  
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money =
is=20
  definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as=20
  healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen=20
  since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

  
 

  
Katherine

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    Ian =

    
    
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 3:23=20
    PM

    
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

    


    
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners =
emerging from=20
    this buying frenzy?

    
 

    
It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders are=20
    rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead,=20
    propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

    
 

    
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that =
stand to=20
    benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - =
the=20
    defense and security sector - are watching this action from the =
sideline as=20
    well.

    
 

    
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or =
is this=20
    just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted =
positions?=20
    Opinions? Whither 'M'?

    
 

    
Ian


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From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:26:43 -0600

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We have found this recent rise to be of great interest.  What we found
over the prior 34 months that when we bought leaders and were then
forced to sell - the next time any opportunities came to buy again was
at least 2-4 months later.  This last time around =96 it was 4 weeks.
This meant, in our opinion, that sellers were losing control.  We are
now approximately 30% invested and climbing.  During a CANSLIM seminar
with WON, one thing has stood out at us.  WON mentioned that there are
very, very few perfect CANSLIM candidates.  We try to use weight of the
evidence.  This is not a pick and chose rule, but if things are not
perfect, what would tip the scales for us to purchase.  One big item
which I hope starts its own life as a thread is position sizing.  We
began purchasing =BD positions to place a toe in the water.  As stocks
came under some pressure, we then added to positions at key technical
points.  We believe last Friday was a turning point for the markets.  On
the weekly television/internet show I participate in, I mentioned how
well the market reacted to negative news.  Intel downgrade, bad economic
numbers, etc.  The Michigan consumer sentiment provided a boost, but the
market did not buckle to all the bad news, very impressive.  Our firm
held client seminars on September 18 and 21st titled the =93End is =
Near=94.
This was the first time since Oct =9299 that we have been positive on =
the
market.  The name of the seminar was an attention getter, but the
message was clear.  We believe, as we do today, that there is a cyclical
(short-term, 3-6 month) opportunity here to make some money in the
market.  We are still in a secular bear market until we are proven
otherwise.  But in the meantime, we are buying.  As always, I am very
impressed with the depth of knowledge this group brings to the table.
As this market heats up, I look forward to reading all your comments.

=20

Ed Gjertsen II

ed@macktracks.com

=20

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[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Ian
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM

=20

Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying
frenzy?

=20

It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly
today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by
the most heavily shorted isues.

=20

It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the
most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

=20

So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term
traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions?
Whither 'M'?

=20

Ian


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We have found this recent rise to =
be of
great interest.=A0 What we found over the prior 34 months that when we =
bought
leaders and were then forced to sell - the next time any opportunities =
came to
buy again was at least 2-4 months later.=A0 This last time around =
– it was
4 weeks.=A0 This meant, in our opinion, that sellers were losing =
control.=A0 We are
now approximately 30% invested and climbing.=A0 During a CANSLIM seminar =
with WON,
one thing has stood out at us.=A0 WON mentioned that there are very, =
very few
perfect CANSLIM candidates.=A0 We try to use weight of the evidence.=A0 =
This is not
a pick and chose rule, but if things are not perfect, what would tip the =
scales
for us to purchase.=A0 One big item which I hope starts its own life as =
a thread
is position sizing.=A0 We began purchasing =BD positions to place a toe =
in the
water.=A0 As stocks came under some pressure, we then added to positions =
at key
technical points.=A0 We believe last Friday was a turning point for the =
markets.=A0
On the weekly television/internet show I participate in, I mentioned how =
well
the market reacted to negative news.=A0 Intel downgrade, bad economic =
numbers,
etc.=A0 The Michigan consumer sentiment provided a =
boost, but
the market did not buckle to all the bad news, very impressive.=A0 Our =
firm held
client seminars on September 18 and 21st titled the “End is =
Near”.=A0
This was the first time since Oct ’99 that we have been positive =
on the
market.=A0 The name of the seminar was an attention getter, but the =
message was
clear.=A0 We believe, as we do today, that there is a cyclical =
(short-term, 3-6
month) opportunity here to make some money in the market.=A0 We are =
still in a
secular bear market until we are proven otherwise.=A0 But in the =
meantime, we are
buying.=A0 As always, I am very impressed with the depth of knowledge =
this group
brings to the table.=A0 As this market heats up, I look forward to =
reading all your
comments.



 






Ed Gjertsen II



ed@macktracks.com
=



 






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Sent: Thursday, November
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PM

To: canslim@lists.xmission.com<=
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Subject: [CANSLIM] =
M



 






Is anyone else finding any "NEW" =
winners
emerging from this buying frenzy?









 









It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders
are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead,
propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.









 









It is also baffling to me that the sectors =
that stand
to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - =
the
defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline =
as
well.









 









So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, =
or is this
just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted =
positions?
Opinions? Whither 'M'?









 









Ian












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I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something.
Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls.
I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc.
It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us believe.
Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old.
As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my longs.
Eric
 
 kentuna  wrote:Katherine,I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.Thanks----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Malm To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Hi Ian, Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well."  I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me. Katherine----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PMSubject: [CANSLIM] M
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy? It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues. It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well. So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'? Ian

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I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something.

Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls.

I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc.

It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us believe.

Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old.

As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my longs.

Eric

 

 kentuna <kentuna@cox.net> wrote:






Katherine,


I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.


Thanks




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Hi Ian,


 


Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well." 

 


I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.


 


Katherine




----- Original Message ----- 


From: Ian 



Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] M





Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?


 


It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.


 


It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.


 


So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?


 


Ian


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From: Ian 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 15:39:09 -0800

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Hi Eric:

Your list illustrates my confusion. One of the things that makes today unusual is the behaviour of the recent winners. 7 of the 9 isues in your list seriously underperformed the indices today (ATRS and PIXR both followed 'M", up 4%+ each). What does it mean when the emerging leaders of the first 6 weeks of the bull suddenly weaken, while the indices surge? Is there a precendence for this? Does WON have an opinion on it?

Shouldn't the newly emerging winners consistently have been powering ahead 5%+ today?

Thanks,

Ian


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  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


  I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something. 

  Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls. 

  I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc. 

  It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us believe. 

  Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old. 

  As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my longs. 

  Eric 

   

   kentuna  wrote: 

    Katherine,
    I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.
    Thanks
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Katherine Malm 
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
      Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PM
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


      Hi Ian,

      Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well." 

      I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

      Katherine
        ----- Original Message ----- 
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        To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
        Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
        Subject: [CANSLIM] M


        Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?

        It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

        It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

        So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

        Ian



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Hi Eric:


 


Your list illustrates my confusion. One of the things that 
makes today unusual is the behaviour of the recent winners. 7 of the 9 isues in 
your list seriously underperformed the indices today (ATRS and PIXR both 
followed 'M", up 4%+ each). What does it mean when the emerging leaders of the 
first 6 weeks of the bull suddenly weaken, while the indices surge? Is there a 
precendence for this? Does WON have an opinion on it?


 


Shouldn't the newly emerging winners consistently have been 
powering ahead 5%+ today?


 


Thanks,


 


Ian


 


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:02 
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. 
  While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning 
  whether it is real or not says something. 
  
Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the playground of 
  the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with it. While 
  there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true bull run 
  would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from the 
  October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without clear, 
  assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls. 
  
I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really 
  performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. 
  (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, others, 
  such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding them as 
  not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in stocks 
  such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc. 
  
It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in this 
  market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us believe. 
  
Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such as 
  PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider that to 
  also be a sign that this run is getting old. 
  
As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I think 
  this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my longs. 
  
Eric 
  
 
  
 kentuna <kentuna@cox.net> wrote: 
  

    
    

    
Katherine,

    
I know this has been discussed before, but 
    would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the 
    actual criteria that is used.

    
Thanks

    

      
----- Original Message ----- 

      
      
      
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 
      2:04 PM

      
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

      


      
Hi Ian,

      
 

      
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that 
      the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in 
      government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this 
      action from the sideline as well." 
      
 

      
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is 
      definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as 
      healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than I've 
      seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

      
 

      
Katherine

      

        
----- Original Message ----- 

        
From: 
        Ian 

        
        
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 
        3:23 PM

        
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

        


        
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from 
        this buying frenzy?

        
 

        
It seems to me that several recent rally leaders 
        are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power 
        ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

        
 

        
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand 
        to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - 
        the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the 
        sideline as well.

        
 

        
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this 
        just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted 
        positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

        
 

        
Ian



  
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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: Market cap (was: [CANSLIM] M)
Date: 21 Nov 2002 18:03:26 -0600

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Hi kentuna,

Gosh, the market cap size that differentiates small from large cap =
varies depending on who you talk with these days, so thought I'd just =
point you to Investopedia, where they define each of the sizes as =
follows:

Nano Cap

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/nanocap.asp



Micro Cap Stock

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/microcapstock.asp



Small-cap

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/small-cap.asp



Mid Cap Stock

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/midcapstock.asp



Large-cap (Big-Cap)

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/large-cap.asp



Mega Cap

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/megacap.asp



Market Capitalization

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcapitalization.asp





Katherine

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: kentuna=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


  Katherine,
  I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define =
small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.
  Thanks
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Katherine Malm=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


    Hi Ian,

    Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that =
the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in =
government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this action from the sideline as well."=20

    I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is =
definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as =
healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

    Katherine
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Ian=20
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
      Subject: [CANSLIM] M


      Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying =
frenzy?

      It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over =
ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled =
by the most heavily shorted isues.

      It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit =
the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

      So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just =
shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? =
Opinions? Whither 'M'?

      Ian
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Hi kentuna,


 


Gosh, the market cap size that differentiates small from large cap =
varies=20
depending on who you talk with these days, so thought I'd just point you =
to=20
Investopedia, where they define each of the sizes as follows:


 




Nano Cap


http://www.inves=
topedia.com/terms/n/nanocap.asp


 


Micro Cap Stock


http://www=
.investopedia.com/terms/m/microcapstock.asp


 


Small-cap


http://www.inv=
estopedia.com/terms/s/small-cap.asp


 


Mid Cap Stock


http://www.i=
nvestopedia.com/terms/m/midcapstock.asp


 


Large-cap =
(Big-Cap)


http://www.inv=
estopedia.com/terms/l/large-cap.asp


 


Mega Cap


http://www.inves=
topedia.com/terms/m/megacap.asp


 


Market =
Capitalization


htt=
p://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcapitalization.asp


 


 


Katherine



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  kentuna =

  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 3:28=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
Katherine,

  
I know this has been discussed =
before, but would=20
  you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the =
actual=20
  criteria that is used.

  
Thanks

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    Katherine=20
    Malm 
    
    
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 2:04=20
    PM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M

    


    
Hi Ian,

    
 

    
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me =
that=20
    the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming =
increases in=20
    government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this=20
    action from the sideline as well."=20
    
 

    
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that =
money is=20
    definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as=20
    healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've=20
    seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to =
me.

    
 

    
Katherine

    

      
----- Original Message ----- =


      From:=20
      Ian =

      
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
      

      
Sent: Thursday, November =
21, 2002=20
      3:23 PM

      
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

      


      
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners =
emerging from=20
      this buying frenzy?

      
 

      
It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders=20
      are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices =
power=20
      ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

      
 

      
It is also baffling to me that the sectors =
that stand to=20
      benefit the most from coming increases in government spending =
- the=20
      defense and security sector - are watching this action from the =
sideline=20
      as well.

      
 

      
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or =
is this=20
      just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted=20
      positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

      
 

      
Ian


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From: "Curt Corley" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 18:27:07 -0600

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I=92m glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in
today=92s IBD.  I looked at the charts, and they did not appear to have
rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the
heaviest volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don=92t =
think
the indices have shown great cwh characteristics.  However, I=92m a =
novice
at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my
view. =20
=20
Curt
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:11 PM
=20
Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from
this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the
handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on
the parade!
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:04 PM
Hi Ian,
=20
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the
sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in
government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching
this action from the sideline as well."=20
=20
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is
definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as
healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than
I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.
=20
Katherine
----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
=20
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying
frenzy?
=20
It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly
today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by
the most heavily shorted isues.
=20
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the
most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.
=20
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term
traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions?
Whither 'M'?
=20
Ian

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I’m glad you mentioned the =
General
Markets & Sectors commentary in today’s IBD.=A0 I looked at the charts, and they =
did not
appear to have rising volume on the sides of the cups.=A0 As a matter of fact, the heaviest =
volume days
were at the very bottom of the cup.=A0 =
I
don’t think the indices have shown great cwh
characteristics.=A0 However, =
I’m a
novice at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation =
of my view.=A0 



 



Curt



 



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Message-----

From: =
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On
Behalf Of Kelly Short

Sent: =
Thursday, November 21, =
2002 3:11 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
M



 






Speaking of =
handles- what
are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from this morning about the =
NASDAQ
forming a cup and handle? Volume in the handle seems a bit
"imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on the =
parade!









-----Original Message-----

From: Katherine Malm
[mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]

Sent: Thursday, November =
21, 2002
3:04 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M






Hi Ian,









 









Just a quick note... re your comment "It =
is also
baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most =
from coming
increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are
watching this action from the sideline as well." =







 









I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've =
also noticed
that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues =
such
as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've
seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to =
me.









 









Katherine















----- Original Message =
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From: Ian =












Sent: Thursday,
November 21, 2002 3:23 PM









Subject: [CANSLIM] =
M









 









Is anyone else finding any "NEW" =
winners
emerging from this buying frenzy?









 









It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders
are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead,
propelled by the most heavily shorted =
isues.









 









It is also baffling to me that the sectors =
that stand
to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - =
the
defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline =
as
well.









 









So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, =
or is this
just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted =
positions?
Opinions? Whither 'M'?









 









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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: computer / net security group (was Re: [CANSLIM] ROOM)
Date: 21 Nov 2002 23:32:14 -0500

no problem, Kelly, I am so brain dead so much of the time lately that I
sometimes need a name tag just to know who I am.  I forgot about the comment
below.

I am very pleased with the security group, being up 7.6% today for the
portfolio (despite one outside the group I bot today that went down), and
gaining nearly as much yesterday as well.  My VR Fund also benefited, owning
some of the same stocks, popping up over 4.5%. It was a risk for me to go
totally into one sector, never did that before, nor was I ever a "group
follower". So naturally I am pleased as punch that (so far) I look like a
genius (ok, so I am not very humble when I am proven right, at least
temporarily, you got to grab glory when you can).

I am a risk taker, so I was looking at the group well before it was highly
ranked. The stocks I bought were mostly in the RS 30 to 50 at the time. Even
now, several are only up into the 70 or so range, and almost all are still
well under highs set earlier this year, so still have overhead resistance,
especially now that we are entering tax related selling times.

On the other hand, I am a long term investor, and bought these for 18 months
or so out, so I was not so concerned at entering them at a "perfect" price.
Naturally, like any investor, I always like to be up on trade date, and I
was. But since got back to almost the cost of commissions to return to 100%
cash, which was not pleasant. From everything I read, this is one of the few
sectors that is expanding sales during a stagnant economy, and is also
expected to be one of the first ones to benefit when corporations again
start spending on IT products. So I remain quite positive on this sector.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:44 AM


Tom,

Forgive me- was not trying to box you into a corner. You speak "positively"
of the internet / computer security group. Do you still (today) speak
positively of these groups or would you say their steam has been expelled?

Kelly


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:50 PM


I don't recall saying any particular about the e-commerce sector. I did
speak positively of the internet / computer security groups.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 4:19 PM


Tom,

If I remember correctly you suggested a move in the e-commerce realm a few
weeks ago- would you still advise the same today?

Kelly

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 6:07 AM


Norm, the internet e-commerce group has been strong lately, hence the group
RS of 93 now. Others in the top six are AMZN, EXPE, UOPX, GYI, & TREE.

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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:41 PM


Anyone else notice this one did what SYMC did.  Specifically, a low vol
breakout from a handle.  SYMC immediately pulled back on below-avg-vol.

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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 22:34:50 -0600

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Hi Eric,

A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are "working" =
that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* been =
working and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your list. =
When you look at market health, how are you defining the candidates you =
consider to be CANSLIM stocks?

Katherine

----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Eric Jaenike=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


  I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it =
appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people =
are questioning whether it is real or not says something.=20

  Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the =
playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market =
along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, =
I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up =
32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long =
way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are =
now above 50% bulls.=20

  I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really =
performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. =
(These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, =
others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am =
excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with =
the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc.=20

  It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in =
this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us =
believe.=20

  Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such =
as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider =
that to also be a sign that this run is getting old.=20

  As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I =
think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to =
my longs.=20

  Eric=20

  =20

   kentuna  wrote:=20

    Katherine,
    I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define =
small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.
    Thanks
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Katherine Malm=20
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PM
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


      Hi Ian,

      Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me =
that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in =
government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this action from the sideline as well."=20

      I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money =
is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as =
healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

      Katherine
        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: Ian=20
        To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
        Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
        Subject: [CANSLIM] M


        Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this =
buying frenzy?

        It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling =
over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, =
propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

        It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit =
the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

        So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just =
shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? =
Opinions? Whither 'M'?

        Ian



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Hi Eric,


 


A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are =
"working"=20
that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* been =
working and=20
demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your list. When you =
look at=20
market health, how are you defining the candidates you consider to be =
CANSLIM=20
stocks?


 


Katherine


 


----- Original Message ----- 


  From:=20
  Eric=20
  Jaenike 
  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 4:02=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it =
appear.=20
  While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are =
questioning=20
  whether it is real or not says something.=20
  
Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the =
playground of=20
  the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with =
it. While=20
  there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true =
bull run=20
  would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from =
the=20
  October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without =
clear,=20
  assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls.=20
  
I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really =

  performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT =
PIXR.=20
  (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, =
others,=20
  such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding =
them as=20
  not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in =
stocks=20
  such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc.=20
  
It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in =
this=20
  market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us =
believe.=20
  
Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, =
such as=20
  PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider =
that to=20
  also be a sign that this run is getting old.=20
  
As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I =
think=20
  this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my =
longs.=20
  
Eric=20
  
=20
  
 kentuna <kentuna@cox.net> wrote:=20
  
    
    

    
Katherine,

    
I know this has been discussed =
before, but=20
    would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is =
the=20
    actual criteria that is used.

    
Thanks

    

      
----- Original Message ----- =


      From:=20
      Katherine=20
      Malm 
      
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
      

      
Sent: Thursday, November =
21, 2002=20
      2:04 PM

      
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M

      


      
Hi Ian,

      
 

      
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to =
me that=20
      the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming =
increases in=20
      government spending - the defense and security sector - are =
watching this=20
      action from the sideline as well."=20
      
 

      
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that =
money is=20
      definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as =

      healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts =
than I've=20
      seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to =
me.

      
 

      
Katherine

      

        
----- Original Message ----- =


        From:=20
        Ian =

        
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
        

        
Sent: Thursday, November =
21, 2002=20
        3:23 PM

        
Subject: [CANSLIM] =
M

        


        
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners =
emerging from=20
        this buying frenzy?

        
 

        
It seems to me that several recent =
rally leaders=20
        are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the =
indices power=20
        ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

        
 

        
It is also baffling to me that the sectors =
that stand=20
        to benefit the most from coming increases in government =
spending -=20
        the defense and security sector - are watching this action from =
the=20
        sideline as well.

        
 

        
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, =
or is this=20
        just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily =
shorted=20
        positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

        
 

        
Ian



  
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Handle's and volume
Date: 21 Nov 2002 23:50:54 -0500

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Marc, Katherine,=20

I don't usually "quantify" the volume as much as just visualize the =
chart showing both price and volume (in bar graph). My ideal is a handle =
moving due east, while the line across the top of the volume bar graphs =
is going directly southeast (e.g. price graph / handle moving right in a =
flat pattern and the line across the volume bar graphs moving below the =
horizontal at a negative 45 degree angle, for those navigational =
impaired).

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:12 PM


Hi Marc,

I don't think the absolute volume is as important as the *trend* in =
volume in the handle. As the stock builds the right side of the base, =
you want to see ever increasing volume (especially on up days) =
demonstrating strong accumulation. As the handle begins and the pivot =
forms, the action in the handle should see volume fade back to levels =
lower than recent volume levels and continue to fade as the price drifts =
lower. For the most part, the down days should be on low volume, though =
you'll often see one or two distribution days.=20

I like to think of it as a bevy of strong folks working hard to push a =
ball uphill during the right side of the cup, then once they near the =
high part of the hill, a few folks take off because they're tired and =
don't want to push any longer, and a few take a break to catch their =
breath. That lighter action while holding the ball up in the interim is =
the handle, as it slips back a bit while the folks regroup. Those that =
are committed to rolling the ball uphill stick around and hold up the =
fort. When the folks taking a break are rested up and some newcomers =
join in, they all help push the ball uphill with renewed conviction =
(forming the breakout).

Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Marc Deiter=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:54 AM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] Handle's and volume


  I was reviewing some information on handles and volume.  WON mentions
  that volume in a good handle should dry up to a "trickle".=20
  Katherine's Handle Characteristics e-mail mentions "light volume".=20
  Anyone want to offer a quantifiable number on what they believe
  "light" and "a trickle" mean?  Example, does 50% of the ADV generally
  qualify for light and a trickle?

  Marc


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Marc, Katherine, 


 


I don't usually "quantify" the volume as much as =
just=20
visualize the chart showing both price and volume (in bar graph). My =
ideal is a=20
handle moving due east, while the line across the top of the volume bar =
graphs=20
is going directly southeast (e.g. price graph / handle moving right in a =
flat=20
pattern and the line across the volume bar graphs moving below the =
horizontal at=20
a negative 45 degree angle, for those navigational =
impaired).


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Katherine Malm=20




Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:12 PM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Handle's and volume





Hi Marc,


 


I don't think the absolute volume is as important as the *trend* in =
volume=20
in the handle. As the stock builds the right side of the base, you want =
to see=20
ever increasing volume (especially on up days) demonstrating strong=20
accumulation. As the handle begins and the pivot forms, the action in =
the handle=20
should see volume fade back to levels lower than recent volume levels =
and=20
continue to fade as the price drifts lower. For the most part, the down =
days=20
should be on low volume, though you'll often see one or two distribution =
days.=20



 


I like to think of it as a bevy of strong folks working hard to =
push a ball=20
uphill during the right side of the cup, then once they near the high =
part of=20
the hill, a few folks take off because they're tired and don't want to =
push any=20
longer, and a few take a break to catch their breath. That lighter =
action while=20
holding the ball up in the interim is the handle, as it slips back a bit =
while=20
the folks regroup. Those that are committed to rolling the ball uphill =
stick=20
around and hold up the fort. When the folks taking a break are =
rested up=20
and some newcomers join in, they all help push the ball uphill with =
renewed=20
conviction (forming the breakout).


 


Katherine


  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Marc =
Deiter 
  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 10:54=20
  AM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] Handle's and =

  volume

  

I was reviewing some information on handles and =
volume. =20
  WON mentions
that volume in a good handle should dry up to a =
"trickle".=20
  
Katherine's Handle Characteristics e-mail mentions "light volume". =

  
Anyone want to offer a quantifiable number on what they =
believe
"light"=20
  and "a trickle" mean?  Example, does 50% of the ADV =
generally
qualify=20
  for light and a=20
  =
trickle?

Marc


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 23:52:37 -0500

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Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in =
my VR Fund.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM


Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying =
frenzy?

It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly =
today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by =
the most heavily shorted isues.

It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the =
most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term =
traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? =
Whither 'M'?

Ian
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Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, =
as did my=20
IT stocks in my VR Fund.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Ian 



Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] M





Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging =
from this=20
buying frenzy?


 


It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders are=20
rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead,=20
propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.


 


It is also baffling to me that the sectors that =
stand to=20
benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the =
defense=20
and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as=20
well.


 


So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is =
this just=20
shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions?=20
Opinions? Whither 'M'?


 


Ian


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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 22:58:05 -0600

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Hi Curt,

I don't think when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as =
the NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in the same way that =
it is on an individual stock. My take on it is simply that an index =
represents a huge number of individual stocks, and while the general =
price pattern will indicate a reversal of a trend or a general shift in =
psychology and pattern of buying and selling in the market, the volume =
doesn't really tell you the same story as it does in an individual =
stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to look for a =
pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher volume =
than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to =
look for the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an =
individual stock.

Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Curt Corley=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:27 PM
  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M


  I'm glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in =
today's IBD.  I looked at the charts, and they did not appear to have =
rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the =
heaviest volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don't think =
the indices have shown great cwh characteristics.  However, I'm a novice =
at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my =
view. =20

  =20

  Curt

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:11 PM
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M

  =20

  Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from =
this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the =
handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on =
the parade!

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:04 PM
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

    Hi Ian,

    =20

    Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that =
the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in =
government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this action from the sideline as well."=20

    =20

    I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is =
definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as =
healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

    =20

    Katherine

      ----- Original Message -----=20

      From: Ian=20

      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20

      Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM

      Subject: [CANSLIM] M

      =20

      Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying =
frenzy?

      =20

      It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over =
ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled =
by the most heavily shorted isues.

      =20

      It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit =
the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

      =20

      So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just =
shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? =
Opinions? Whither 'M'?

      =20

      Ian


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Hi Curt,


 


I don't think when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such =
as the=20
NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in the same way that it =
is on an=20
individual stock. My take on it is simply that an index represents a =
huge number=20
of individual stocks, and while the general price pattern will indicate =
a=20
reversal of a trend or a general shift in psychology and pattern of =
buying and=20
selling in the market, the volume doesn't really tell you the same story =
as it=20
does in an individual stock. In other words, I think that it's more =
important to=20
look for a pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on =
higher=20
volume than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is =
to look=20
for the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an individual=20
stock.


 


Katherine



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Curt Corley=20
  
  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 6:27=20
  PM

  
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M

  


  

  
I=92m glad =
you=20
  mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in today=92s =
IBD.  I looked at the charts, and =
they did=20
  not appear to have rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the =
heaviest=20
  volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don=92t think the indices =
have shown=20
  great cwh characteristics.  However, I=92m a novice at =
this stuff,=20
  so I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my view.  =


  
 

  
Curt

  
 

  
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  On Behalf Of Kelly=20
  Short
Sent:=20
  Thursday, November=20
  21, 2002 =
3:11=20
  PM
To:=20
  canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20
M

  
 

  

  
Speaking=20
  of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from this =
morning=20
  about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the handle seems =
a bit=20
  "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on the=20
  parade!

  

    
-----Original=20
    Message-----
From:=20
    Katherine Malm [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 3:04=20
    PM
To:=20
    canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20
    M

    

    
Hi=20
    Ian,

    

    
 

    

    
Just a quick note... re =
your comment=20
    "It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit =
the most=20
    from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security=20
    sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well."=20
    

    

    
 

    

    
I noticed SFNT powering =
ahead today.=20
    I've also noticed that money is definitely coming *out* of the =
safe-haven=20
    defensive issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I =
see far=20
    more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all together, =
still looks=20
    promising to me.

    

    
 

    

    
Katherine

    
      

      
----- =
Original=20
      Message ----- 

      

      
From: Ian=20
      

      

      
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
      

      

      
Sent:=20
      Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 =
PM

      

      
Subject:=20
      [CANSLIM] M

      

      
 

      

      
Is anyone else finding =
any "NEW"=20
      winners emerging from this buying=20
      frenzy?

      

      
 

      

      
It seems to me =
that several=20
      recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET =
- while=20
      the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted=20
      isues.

      

      
 

      

      
It is also baffling to me =
that the=20
      sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases =
in=20
      government spending - the defense and security sector - are =
watching this=20
      action from the sideline as =
well.

      

      
 

      

      
So am I mising the new =
leaders of the=20
      bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze =
heavily=20
      shorted positions? Opinions? Whither=20
      'M'?

      

      
 

      

      
Ian

    

    

    

    
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 22 Nov 2002 00:04:19 -0500

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all the indexes are trading just alike, I think you can make an argument =
that we have a c&h on the DOW 30, Naz Comp, NYSE Comp, R2000. In each =
case, the volume today was heavy, and the price spike took them over the =
pivot in their handle. Then again, a case can still be made that we also =
have a H&S pattern, as well as a double bottom ("W") pattern. So you got =
a choice, been a long time when I saw every index trading so alike, and =
so many different patterns that can be argued.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:10 PM


Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from =
this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the =
handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on =
the parade!
  -----Original Message-----
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  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:04 PM
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


  Hi Ian,

  Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that =
the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in =
government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this action from the sideline as well."=20

  I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is =
definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as =
healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

  Katherine
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Ian=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
    Subject: [CANSLIM] M


    Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying =
frenzy?

    It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over =
ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled =
by the most heavily shorted isues.

    It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the =
most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

    So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just =
shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? =
Opinions? Whither 'M'?

    Ian

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all the indexes are trading just alike, I think =
you can=20
make an argument that we have a c&h on the DOW 30, Naz Comp, NYSE =
Comp,=20
R2000. In each case, the volume today was heavy, and the price spike =
took them=20
over the pivot in their handle. Then again, a case can still be made =
that we=20
also have a H&S pattern, as well as a double bottom ("W") pattern. =
So you=20
got a choice, been a long time when I saw every index trading so alike, =
and so=20
many different patterns that can be argued.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Kelly Short 



Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:10 PM


Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M





Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's =
comment from=20
this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the =
handle=20
seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on the=20
parade!



  
-----Original Message-----
From: Katherine Malm=20
  [mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 3:04=20
  PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=

Subject:=20
  Re: [CANSLIM] M


  
Hi Ian,

  
 

  
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me =
that the=20
  sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in=20
  government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this=20
  action from the sideline as well."=20
  
 

  
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money =
is=20
  definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as=20
  healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen=20
  since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

  
 

  
Katherine

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    Ian =

    
    
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 3:23=20
    PM

    
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

    


    
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners =
emerging from=20
    this buying frenzy?

    
 

    
It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders are=20
    rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead,=20
    propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

    
 

    
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that =
stand to=20
    benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - =
the=20
    defense and security sector - are watching this action from the =
sideline as=20
    well.

    
 

    
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or =
is this=20
    just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted =
positions?=20
    Opinions? Whither 'M'?

    
 

    
Ian

  

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From: AJAskey@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 22 Nov 2002 00:32:06 EST


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> I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. 
> While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are 
> questioning whether it is real or not says something. 

I think you should really worry more when people are confident that it is 
real.  And who are "people" anyway?  The clowns on TV who say the market is 
going to tank while their traders are buying up all the shares the talking 
head shook free?

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I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something. 




I think you should really worry more when people are confident that it is real.  And who are "people" anyway?  The clowns on TV who say the market is going to tank while their traders are buying up all the shares the talking head shook free?



Andy


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From: Ian 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 21 Nov 2002 23:36:07 -0800

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Hi Tom:

I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks.

I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out.

Ian


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Worley 
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


  Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in my VR Fund.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ian 
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] M


  Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?

  It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

  It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

  So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

  Ian

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Hi Tom:


 


I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. 
If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., 
I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of late 
1999 for tech stocks.


 


I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit 
from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this 
game, and need to give it more time to play out.


 


Ian


 


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
From: 
  Tom 
  Worley 

  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did 
  my IT stocks in my VR Fund.

  
 

  
----- Original Message ----- 
  
From: Ian 

  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this 
  buying frenzy?

  
 

  
It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are 
  rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, 
  propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

  
 

  
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to 
  benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the 
  defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as 
  well.

  
 

  
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just 
  shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? 
  Opinions? Whither 'M'?

  
 

  
Ian


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 22 Nov 2002 07:03:05 -0500

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Hi Ian,

With the Republicans in control, defense contractors will benefit for =
the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from boots to =
guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among =
technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, =
cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as =
anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The =
reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense =
agency will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once =
again Congress has failed to pass the required budgets for most =
agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new Congress =
reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last =
year's budget, so little new spending will develop for some time.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM


Hi Tom:

I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are =
referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm =
sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of =
late 1999 for tech stocks.

I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the =
coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this =
game, and need to give it more time to play out.

Ian


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Tom Worley=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


  Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in =
my VR Fund.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ian=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] M


  Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying =
frenzy?

  It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly =
today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by =
the most heavily shorted isues.

  It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the =
most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

  So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term =
traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? =
Whither 'M'?

  Ian
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Hi Ian,


 


With the Republicans in control, defense =
contractors will=20
benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from =
boots=20
to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among =

technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, =
cruise=20
missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as anti-terrorist =
software=20
such as network and PC level security. The reorganization of 26 =
different=20
agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency will likely disrupt normal =

spending patterns. But then, once again Congress has failed to pass the =
required=20
budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new =
Congress=20
reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last =
year's=20
budget, so little new spending will develop for some time.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Ian 



Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M





Hi Tom:


 


I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related =
security.=20
If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's =
etc...,=20
I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of =
late=20
1999 for tech stocks.


 


I was thinking of small companies that are going to =
benefit=20
from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early =
to this=20
game, and need to give it more time to play out.


 


Ian


 


 


  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Tom=20
  Worley 
  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 8:52=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely =
today, as did=20
  my IT stocks in my VR Fund.

  
 

  
----- Original Message -----=20
  
From: Ian 

  
  
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging =
from this=20
  buying frenzy?

  
 

  
It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders are=20
  rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead,=20
  propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

  
 

  
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that =
stand to=20
  benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - =
the=20
  defense and security sector - are watching this action from the =
sideline as=20
  well.

  
 

  
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is =
this just=20
  shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted =
positions?=20
  Opinions? Whither 'M'?

  
 

  
Ian


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From: "John Calkins" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 22 Nov 2002 06:10:10 -0800

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Hi Katherine,=20

It really is good to hear from you! You somehow bring things into =
perspective.=20

I understand the piling up of the papers and the hours of manual mining. =
I must say I have learned as much from you and this group as I have from =
the paper in a fraction of the time.=20

I used to run a large computer user club back in the early 80's. I have =
for years gone door to door helping my family, friends, neighbors, =
co-workers and computer enthusiasts discover a better way to use their =
computers. My employers have tapped my talents many times, and all along =
I have enjoyed it tremendously. I got interested in individual stock =
investing when these great retired people would fill my head with =
investing terms as I replaced a hard drive for them in their home....no =
cost...just because I liked to visit and it became a trade that they =
knew I accepted. They would talk about The Dow Theory and show me some =
graphs, or some Ameritrade software before the internet was called WWW =
or Dog of the Dow. Then someone asked me about IBD and I have been =
absolutely absorbed in it ever since. I do believe I need to move on and =
use my time more wisely though. I now have a base to start from, much as =
you have said in the past. I believe that everyone truly interested in =
stock investing at some point should take out a subscription at least =
long enough to get to the next level or maybe know how to measure there =
success.=20

I can really appreciate your involvement in this group. It's your =
ability to teach others and at the some time add knowledge to enhance =
your own understanding that is what is so compelling here. I truly =
appreciate your input to this group.

Katherine, I would have a difficult time without IBD right now. Like you =
say, The Big Picture is worth the cost of the paper at least for a while =
longer. I pin it up in front of my Nordic-Trac for 40 min each morning, =
killing two birds. I am having a hard time understanding just how you =
actually start your lists. Maybe I need to re-read your posts some more, =
but IBD's screens at least have sorted lists following CANSLIM. I have =
seen their screens printed Forbes. I see your references to BIG MONEY, =
but without using IBD's Big Money screens, how do you get started with a =
manageable list? I guess I still feel that I need some hand holding =
here.=20

I have stopped recording all the mini chart symbols, I saw the =
correlation and bias such as you say. Now All I record is all the Big =
Money on both exchanges and use and excel sheet macro that one of the =
members came up with to sort the Screen of the Day. I just use the =
"Number of Times" appeared in the Big Money to sort my list then head =
straight for the charts when the market looks better simply starting at =
the top of the list and spending most of my time reading charts from =
Investors.com. Like everyone else, this group is becoming and index for =
me to decide if I want to run the screen. I then use The Screen of the =
Day and Stock Checkup to double check after I look at the chart

But if there is an easier way to find the big money, I guess I haven't =
understood it quite yet, or maybe if I put the paper down long enough =
and try some of these sites you and others suggest, I might see the =
light. I just want to try to correlate the data online to what is =
showing with the IBD data.

For those who don't really understand The Big Money, it simply is IBD's =
proprietary screen of high quality stocks that institutional investors =
might be buying with high Relative Price Strength and high IBD Earnings =
Ratings that might be climbing the right side of the cup, indicating =
that the chart should be looked at.

JC

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Katherine Malm=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


  Hi John,

  I think the use of the IBD vs other free or paid services is more than =
anything a matter of style and preference. There are many here on the =
CANSLIM list who use the IBD exclusively for finding investment =
candidates, others who practice the CANSLIM and or growth style of =
investing but use other tools, and still others who use the IBD and/or =
DGO in combination with other paid services. I still read the IBD's Big =
Picture via the web each day and utilize the numerous educational =
features they provide, but I let the papers pile up for about a month =
before I read them these days, as all of my day to day mining and news =
monitoring is done via other free and paid services. I personally found =
the IBD too time consuming to use as a methodical mining tool and it =
didn't allow me to track the ebb and flow of the market without being =
influenced by their editorial bias. It's amazing how much information is =
available for free on the web these days, so it's entirely possible to =
mine and track good quality growth/CANSLIM candidates even without paid =
tools. Regardless of the choice, I still think the real secret to =
successful investing is using a disciplined approach and a =
methodical/consistent methodology. I think most would be hard pressed to =
argue any one tool was "better" than another, just "better for you."

  Katherine
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: John Calkins=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:17 PM
    Subject: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


    OK!  Some say IBD is invaluable.  Others say it BS.  So show me how =
I can
    find Where The Big Moneys Flow......OOps,  I mean Going with out =
using the
    screen in the paper and without buying some other service.

    JC


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Hi Katherine, 


It really is good to hear from you! You somehow bring things into=20
perspective. 


I understand the piling up of the papers and the hours of manual =
mining. I=20
must say I have learned as much from you and this group as I have from =
the paper=20
in a fraction of the time. 


I used to run a large computer user club back in the early 80's. I =
have for=20
years gone door to door helping my family, friends, neighbors, =
co-workers and=20
computer enthusiasts discover a better way to use their computers. My =
employers=20
have tapped my talents many times, and all along I have enjoyed it =
tremendously.=20
I got interested in individual stock investing when these great retired =
people=20
would fill my head with investing terms as I replaced a hard drive for =
them in=20
their home....no cost...just because I liked to visit and it became a =
trade that=20
they knew I accepted. They would talk about The Dow Theory and show me =
some=20
graphs, or some Ameritrade software before the internet was called WWW =
or Dog of=20
the Dow. Then someone asked me about IBD and I have been absolutely =
absorbed in=20
it ever since. I do believe I need to move on and use my time more =
wisely=20
though. I now have a base to start from, much as you have said in the =
past. I=20
believe that everyone truly interested in stock investing at some point =
should=20
take out a subscription at least long enough to get to the next level or =
maybe=20
know how to measure there success. =



I can really appreciate your involvement in this group. It's your =
ability to=20
teach others and at the some time add knowledge to enhance your own=20
understanding that is what is so compelling here. I truly appreciate =
your input=20
to this group.


Katherine, I would have a difficult time without IBD right now. Like =
you say,=20
The Big Picture is worth the cost of the paper at least for a while =
longer. I=20
pin it up in front of my Nordic-Trac for 40 min each morning, killing =
two birds.=20
I am having a hard time understanding just how you actually start your =
lists.=20
Maybe I need to re-read your posts some more, but IBD=92s screens at =
least have=20
sorted lists following CANSLIM. I have seen their screens printed =
Forbes. I see=20
your references to BIG MONEY, but without using IBD=92s Big Money =
screens, how do=20
you get started with a manageable list? I guess I still feel that I need =
some=20
hand holding here. 


I have stopped recording all the mini chart symbols, I saw the =
correlation=20
and bias such as you say. Now All I record is all the Big Money on both=20
exchanges and use and excel sheet macro that one of the members came up =
with to=20
sort the Screen of the Day. I just use the "Number of Times" appeared in =
the Big=20
Money to sort my list then head straight for the charts when the market =
looks=20
better simply starting at the top of the list and spending most of my =
time=20
reading charts from Investors.com. Like everyone else, this group is =
becoming=20
and index for me to decide if I want to run the screen. I then use The =
Screen of=20
the Day and Stock Checkup to double check after I look at the=20
chart


But if there is an easier way to find the big money, I guess I =
haven't=20
understood it quite yet, or maybe if I put the paper down long enough =
and try=20
some of these sites you and others suggest, I might see the light. I =
just want=20
to try to correlate the data online to what is showing with the IBD =
data.


For those who don=92t really understand The Big Money, it simply is =
IBD=92s=20
proprietary screen of high quality stocks that institutional investors =
might be=20
buying with high Relative Price Strength and high IBD Earnings Ratings =
that=20
might be climbing the right side of the cup, indicating that the chart =
should be=20
looked at.


JC



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Katherine=20
  Malm 
  
  
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 =
9:02=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show =
me BIG=20
  MONEY

  


  
Hi John,

  
 

  
I think the use of the IBD vs other free or paid services is more =
than=20
  anything a matter of style and preference. There are many here on the =
CANSLIM=20
  list who use the IBD exclusively for finding investment candidates, =
others who=20
  practice the CANSLIM and or growth style of investing but use other =
tools, and=20
  still others who use the IBD and/or DGO in combination with other paid =

  services. I still read the IBD's Big Picture via the web each day and =
utilize=20
  the numerous educational features they provide, but I let the papers =
pile up=20
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In determining whether "people" are confident the rally is real, I think you need to use a consistent indicator across time. For that, I use % bull/bear. Bulls are above 50, bears are below 25. That is pretty extreme.
As for who "people" are who are questioning this rally, I am referring to the canslimmers on this list, per the previous post I was referring to. In a true bull run, it is fairly obvious where the leaders are, and it only requires a little work to find them. I would argue that you have to do quite a bit of work to uncover the leadership here, which is pretty thin for a run of this size. For example, in last years' 4Q, which I don't consider a true bull run but rather a playable oversold bounce, the homebuilders were right in your face as leaders. The move was broad and aggressive (there were other leaders too, of course). I don't see that here.
Eric
 AJAskey@aol.com wrote:
I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something. 

I think you should really worry more when people are confident that it is real.  And who are "people" anyway?  The clowns on TV who say the market is going to tank while their traders are buying up all the shares the talking head shook free?

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In determining whether "people" are confident the rally is real, I think you need to use a consistent indicator across time. For that, I use % bull/bear. Bulls are above 50, bears are below 25. That is pretty extreme.

As for who "people" are who are questioning this rally, I am referring to the canslimmers on this list, per the previous post I was referring to. In a true bull run, it is fairly obvious where the leaders are, and it only requires a little work to find them. I would argue that you have to do quite a bit of work to uncover the leadership here, which is pretty thin for a run of this size. For example, in last years' 4Q, which I don't consider a true bull run but rather a playable oversold bounce, the homebuilders were right in your face as leaders. The move was broad and aggressive (there were other leaders too, of course). I don't see that here.

Eric

 AJAskey@aol.com wrote:




I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something. 


I think you should really worry more when people are confident that it is real.  And who are "people" anyway?  The clowns on TV who say the market is going to tank while their traders are buying up all the shares the talking head shook free?

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In saying "well", I am referring to "well" relative to the move in the indices as well as relative to the universe of canslim stocks that have broken out, i.e. the best of the breakouts.
In a bull run, you're going to see lots of breakouts. Some of those breakouts will work "well", in that they have strong price appreciation, tepid pullbacks, etc. In other words, really strong canslim breakouts. Others will work fine, in that they hold above their breakouts, move up, etc, but don't act as well as the former category.
For the purposes of the post, I was using "well" to mean this best of the best group. So, for example, TSCO has acted OK, in that its above its breakout, etc, but it hasn't acted "well" in that it dropped below its pivot (albiet slightly), and there have been some p/v yellow flags, etc.
Also for the purposes of the discussion, I am excluding stocks like UNTD, which I believe is the combo of the old Netzero and Juno. While it certainly is a canslim/turnaround type stock, I am excluding it from the list, because I excluded that type of stock from the previous runs' lists, and I want to be consistent across comparisons. That is not to say it is not a playable stock, but merely that for comparison purposes, I don't want to include it.
In sum, for the move we've had in the indices, the doing "well" list, which I take as a barometer of market health, seems awfully thin. The point I was trying to make is simply that the market in general is not as strong as the move in the indices would indicate.
Hope that provides some clarity.
Eric
 
 Katherine Malm  wrote:Hi Eric, A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are "working" that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* been working and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your list. When you look at market health, how are you defining the candidates you consider to be CANSLIM stocks? Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Jaenike To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:02 PMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something. 
Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls. 
I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc. 
It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us believe. 
Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old. 
As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my longs. 
Eric 

 kentuna  wrote: Katherine,I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.Thanks----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Malm To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Hi Ian, Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well."  I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me. Katherine----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PMSubject: [CANSLIM] M
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy? It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues. It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well. So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'? Ian

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In saying "well", I am referring to "well" relative to the move in the indices as well as relative to the universe of canslim stocks that have broken out, i.e. the best of the breakouts.

In a bull run, you're going to see lots of breakouts. Some of those breakouts will work "well", in that they have strong price appreciation, tepid pullbacks, etc. In other words, really strong canslim breakouts. Others will work fine, in that they hold above their breakouts, move up, etc, but don't act as well as the former category.

For the purposes of the post, I was using "well" to mean this best of the best group. So, for example, TSCO has acted OK, in that its above its breakout, etc, but it hasn't acted "well" in that it dropped below its pivot (albiet slightly), and there have been some p/v yellow flags, etc.

Also for the purposes of the discussion, I am excluding stocks like UNTD, which I believe is the combo of the old Netzero and Juno. While it certainly is a canslim/turnaround type stock, I am excluding it from the list, because I excluded that type of stock from the previous runs' lists, and I want to be consistent across comparisons. That is not to say it is not a playable stock, but merely that for comparison purposes, I don't want to include it.

In sum, for the move we've had in the indices, the doing "well" list, which I take as a barometer of market health, seems awfully thin. The point I was trying to make is simply that the market in general is not as strong as the move in the indices would indicate.

Hope that provides some clarity.

Eric

 

 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> wrote:




Hi Eric,


 


A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are "working" that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* been working and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your list. When you look at market health, how are you defining the candidates you consider to be CANSLIM stocks?


 


Katherine


 


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I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something. 

Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls. 

I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc. 

It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us believe. 

Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old. 

As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my longs. 

Eric 



 kentuna <kentuna@cox.net> wrote: 






Katherine,


I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.


Thanks




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Hi Ian,


 


Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well." 

 


I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.


 


Katherine




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Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?


 


It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.


 


It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.


 


So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?


 


Ian




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thanks for the posting and the interesting observation .I always find your comments very thoughtful and sensible. thanks
 "Edward W. Gjertsen II"  wrote:
We have found this recent rise to be of great interest.  What we found over the prior 34 months that when we bought leaders and were then forced to sell - the next time any opportunities came to buy again was at least 2-4 months later.  This last time around – it was 4 weeks.  This meant, in our opinion, that sellers were losing control.  We are now approximately 30% invested and climbing.  During a CANSLIM seminar with WON, one thing has stood out at us.  WON mentioned that there are very, very few perfect CANSLIM candidates.  We try to use weight of the evidence.  This is not a pick and chose rule, but if things are not perfect, what would tip the scales for us to purchase.  One big item which I hope starts its own life as a thread is position sizing.  We began purchasing ½ positions to place a toe in the water.  As stocks came under some pressure, we then added to positions at key technical points.  We believe last Friday was a turning point for the markets.  On the weekly television/internet show I participate in, I mentioned how well the market reacted to negative news.  Intel downgrade, bad economic numbers, etc.  The Michigan consumer sentiment provided a boost, but the market did not buckle to all the bad news, very impressive.  Our firm held client seminars on September 18 and 21st titled the “End is Near”.  This was the first time since Oct ’99 that we have been positive on the market.  The name of the seminar was an attention getter, but the message was clear.  We believe, as we do today, that there is a cyclical (short-term, 3-6 month) opportunity here to make some money in the market.  We are still in a secular bear market until we are proven otherwise.  But in the meantime, we are buying.  As always, I am very impressed with the depth of knowledge this group brings to the table.  As this market heats up, I look forward to reading all your comments.

 

Ed Gjertsen II

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Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?

 

It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

 

It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

 

So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

 

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thanks for the posting and the interesting observation .I always find your comments very thoughtful and sensible. thanks

 "Edward W. Gjertsen II" <ed@macktracks.com> wrote:








We have found this recent rise to be of great interest.  What we found over the prior 34 months that when we bought leaders and were then forced to sell - the next time any opportunities came to buy again was at least 2-4 months later.  This last time around – it was 4 weeks.  This meant, in our opinion, that sellers were losing control.  We are now approximately 30% invested and climbing.  During a CANSLIM seminar with WON, one thing has stood out at us.  WON mentioned that there are very, very few perfect CANSLIM candidates.  We try to use weight of the evidence.  This is not a pick and chose rule, but if things are not perfect, what would tip the scales for us to purchase.  One big item which I hope starts its own life as a thread is position sizing.  We began purchasing ½ positions to place a toe in the water.  As stocks came under some pressure, we then added to positions at key technical points.  We believe last Friday was a turning point for the markets.  On the weekly television/internet show I participate in, I mentioned how well the market reacted to negative news.  Intel downgrade, bad economic numbers, etc.  The Michigan consumer sentiment provided a boost, but the market did not buckle to all the bad news, very impressive.  Our firm held client seminars on September 18 and 21st titled the “End is Near”.  This was the first time since Oct ’99 that we have been positive on the market.  The name of the seminar was an attention getter, but the message was clear.  We believe, as we do today, that there is a cyclical (short-term, 3-6 month) opportunity here to make some money in the market.  We are still in a secular bear market until we are proven otherwise.  But in the meantime, we are buying.  As always, I am very impressed with the depth of knowledge this group brings to the table.  As this market heats up, I look forward to reading all your comments.


 




Ed Gjertsen II


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Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?




 




It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.




 




It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.




 




So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?




 




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Thanks for the clarification, Eric. If I understand you correctly, then, =
you are insisting on perfect charts and strong moves since the breakouts =
before considering something for inclusion on your list. What is still =
not clear to me, however, is how you select a stock for consideration as =
a CANSLIM stock when making your leader board.

If I look at action since the market bottom, I find 263 stocks that have =
shown relative outperformance to the S&P (Price>=3D6, AvgVol>=3D30000, =
forward growth rate>=3D15--that's just a simple way of identifying =
"growth" stocks). Granted, not all of them would pass all the CANSLIM =
fundamental tests and not all of them have yet staged breakouts, but =
that's a fairly substantial list of stocks acting well in my mind (The =
average gain in these stocks off the 10/10 bottom is 45%). I wondered =
why you wouldn't have mentioned stocks such as INFY, MNTR, SFNT, FRX, =
OVTI, WFMI, VIP, BLUD, ICUI, SYK, EBAY, IGT, SCSC, or PNRA. That's a =
small sampling of stocks with decent (though not perfect) charts off the =
list of 263 that are doing well, so not a complete list of "stocks doing =
well" in my mind.

I believe that after such a strong downtrend, that we're not going to =
find perfection in all aspects, either fundamental or technical, but =
certainly if one weighs the preponderance of evidence on a list such as =
this, there's a lot of emerging leadership. Granted, the moves are =
subtle, as they are not en masse as with the Fall's homebuilder's move =
you mentioned, but in a new Bull market (cyclical though it may be), the =
new leaders will emerge one by one from various industries. Only when =
and if a strong Bull ensues will we see strong group moves and stong =
breakout moves one after the other. In the nascent stages, I think it's =
actually encouraging that the emerging leaders are quietly gaining =
strength, unknown to the general public. I also think that it's healthy =
that money is not rushing headlong into  former leaders as it did in so =
many of the previous bear rallies and that it's not a "bad thing" that =
money might be flowing to some beaten down quality stocks. I think WON =
states that about 14% of "former winners" will actually have what it =
takes to make a fresh run in a new Bull market.

Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
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  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


  In saying "well", I am referring to "well" relative to the move in the =
indices as well as relative to the universe of canslim stocks that have =
broken out, i.e. the best of the breakouts.=20

  In a bull run, you're going to see lots of breakouts. Some of those =
breakouts will work "well", in that they have strong price appreciation, =
tepid pullbacks, etc. In other words, really strong canslim breakouts. =
Others will work fine, in that they hold above their breakouts, move up, =
etc, but don't act as well as the former category.=20

  For the purposes of the post, I was using "well" to mean this best of =
the best group. So, for example, TSCO has acted OK, in that its above =
its breakout, etc, but it hasn't acted "well" in that it dropped below =
its pivot (albiet slightly), and there have been some p/v yellow flags, =
etc.=20

  Also for the purposes of the discussion, I am excluding stocks like =
UNTD, which I believe is the combo of the old Netzero and Juno. While it =
certainly is a canslim/turnaround type stock, I am excluding it from the =
list, because I excluded that type of stock from the previous runs' =
lists, and I want to be consistent across comparisons. That is not to =
say it is not a playable stock, but merely that for comparison purposes, =
I don't want to include it.=20

  In sum, for the move we've had in the indices, the doing "well" list, =
which I take as a barometer of market health, seems awfully thin. The =
point I was trying to make is simply that the market in general is not =
as strong as the move in the indices would indicate.=20

  Hope that provides some clarity.=20

  Eric=20

  =20

   Katherine Malm  wrote:=20

    Hi Eric,

    A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are =
"working" that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* =
been working and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your =
list. When you look at market health, how are you defining the =
candidates you consider to be CANSLIM stocks?

    Katherine

    ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Eric Jaenike=20
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:02 PM
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


      I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it =
appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people =
are questioning whether it is real or not says something.=20

      Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the =
playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market =
along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, =
I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up =
32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long =
way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are =
now above 50% bulls.=20

      I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and =
really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS =
IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of =
course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I =
am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with =
the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc.=20

      It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in =
this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us =
believe.=20

      Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, =
such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I =
consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old.=20

      As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I =
think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to =
my longs.=20

      Eric=20


       kentuna  wrote:=20

        Katherine,
        I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly =
define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that =
is used.
        Thanks
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          To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
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          Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


          Hi Ian,

          Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to =
me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases =
in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this action from the sideline as well."=20

          I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that =
money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such =
as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.

          Katherine
            ----- Original Message -----=20
            From: Ian=20
            To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
            Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
            Subject: [CANSLIM] M


            Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this =
buying frenzy?

            It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling =
over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, =
propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

            It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to =
benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the =
defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline =
as well.

            So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just =
shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? =
Opinions? Whither 'M'?

            Ian



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Thanks for the clarification, Eric. If I understand you correctly, =
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before=20
considering something for inclusion on your list. What is still not =
clear to me,=20
however, is how you select a stock for consideration as a CANSLIM stock =
when=20
making your leader board.


 


If I look at action since the market bottom, I find 263 stocks that =
have=20
shown relative outperformance to the S&P (Price>=3D6, =
AvgVol>=3D30000,=20
forward growth rate>=3D15--that's just a simple way of identifying =
"growth"=20
stocks). Granted, not all of them would pass all the CANSLIM fundamental =
tests=20
and not all of them have yet staged breakouts, but that's a fairly =
substantial=20
list of stocks acting well in my mind (The average gain in these stocks =
off the=20
10/10 bottom is 45%). I wondered why you wouldn't have mentioned stocks =
such as=20
INFY, MNTR, SFNT, FRX, OVTI, WFMI, VIP, BLUD, ICUI, SYK, EBAY, IGT, =
SCSC, or=20
PNRA. That's a small sampling of stocks with decent (though not=20
perfect) charts off the list of 263 that are doing well, so not a =
complete=20
list of "stocks doing well" in my mind.


 


I believe that after such a strong downtrend, that we're not going =
to find=20
perfection in all aspects, either fundamental or technical, but =
certainly if one=20
weighs the preponderance of evidence on a list such as this, there's a =
lot of=20
emerging leadership. Granted, the moves are subtle, as they are not en =
masse as=20
with the Fall's homebuilder's move you mentioned, but in a new Bull =
market=20
(cyclical though it may be), the new leaders will emerge one by one from =
various=20
industries. Only when and if a strong Bull ensues will we see strong =
group moves=20
and stong breakout moves one after the other. In the nascent stages, I =
think=20
it's actually encouraging that the emerging leaders are quietly gaining=20
strength, unknown to the general public. I also think that it's healthy =
that=20
money is not rushing headlong into  former leaders as it did in so =
many of=20
the previous bear rallies and that it's not a "bad thing" that money =
might be=20
flowing to some beaten down quality stocks. I think WON states that =
about 14% of=20
"former winners" will actually have what it takes to make a fresh run in =
a new=20
Bull market.


 


Katherine


  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Eric=20
  Jaenike 
  
  
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 =
9:44=20
  AM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
In saying "well", I am referring to "well" relative to the move in =
the=20
  indices as well as relative to the universe of canslim stocks that =
have broken=20
  out, i.e. the best of the breakouts.=20
  
In a bull run, you're going to see lots of breakouts. Some of those =

  breakouts will work "well", in that they have strong price =
appreciation, tepid=20
  pullbacks, etc. In other words, really strong canslim breakouts. =
Others will=20
  work fine, in that they hold above their breakouts, move up, etc, but =
don't=20
  act as well as the former category.=20
  
For the purposes of the post, I was using "well" to mean this best =
of the=20
  best group. So, for example, TSCO has acted OK, in that its above its=20
  breakout, etc, but it hasn't acted "well" in that it dropped =
below its=20
  pivot (albiet slightly), and there have been some p/v yellow flags, =
etc.=20
  
Also for the purposes of the discussion, I am excluding stocks like =
UNTD,=20
  which I believe is the combo of the old Netzero and Juno. While it =
certainly=20
  is a canslim/turnaround type stock, I am excluding it from the list, =
because I=20
  excluded that type of stock from the previous runs' lists, and I want =
to be=20
  consistent across comparisons. That is not to say it is not a =
playable=20
  stock, but merely that for comparison purposes, I don't want to =
include it.=20
  
In sum, for the move we've had in the indices, the doing "well" =
list, which=20
  I take as a barometer of market health, seems awfully thin. The point =
I was=20
  trying to make is simply that the market in general is not as strong =
as the=20
  move in the indices would indicate.=20
  
Hope that provides some clarity.=20
  
Eric=20
  
=20
  
 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> =
wrote:=20
  
    
    
Hi Eric,

    
 

    
A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are =
"working"=20
    that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* been =
working=20
    and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your list. When =
you=20
    look at market health, how are you defining the candidates you =
consider to=20
    be CANSLIM stocks?

    
 

    
Katherine

    
 

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    
      From:=20
      Eric=20
      Jaenike 
      
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
      

      
Sent: Thursday, November =
21, 2002=20
      4:02 PM

      
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M

      


      
I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make =
it=20
      appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that =
people are=20
      questioning whether it is real or not says something.=20
      
Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the =
playground=20
      of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along =
with it.=20
      While there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think =
a true=20
      bull run would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on =
the Nas=20
      from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way =
to go=20
      without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now =
above=20
      50% bulls.=20
      
I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and =
really=20
      performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT =
PIXR.=20
      (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of =
course,=20
      others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I =
am=20
      excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast =
these with=20
      the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, =
etc.=20
      
It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership =
in this=20
      market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us =

      believe.=20
      
Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative =
dogs, such=20
      as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I =
consider that=20
      to also be a sign that this run is getting old.=20
      
As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's =
4Q. I=20
      think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close =
attention to my=20
      longs.=20
      
Eric=20
      

      
 kentuna <kentuna@cox.net> wrote:=20
      
        
        

        
Katherine,

        
I know this has been discussed =
before, but=20
        would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What =
is the=20
        actual criteria that is used.

        
Thanks

        

          
----- Original Message ----- =


          From:=20
          Katherine Malm 
          
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
          

          
Sent: Thursday, =
November 21, 2002=20
          2:04 PM

          
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M

          


          
Hi Ian,

          
 

          
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling =
to me=20
          that the sectors that stand to benefit the most =
from coming=20
          increases in government spending - the defense and security =
sector -=20
          are watching this action from the sideline as well."=20
          
 

          
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed =
that money=20
          is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues =
such as=20
          healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more =
breakouts than=20
          I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks =
promising to=20
          me.

          
 

          
Katherine

          

            
----- Original Message ----- =


            From:=20
            Ian 
            
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
            

            
Sent: Thursday, =
November 21,=20
            2002 3:23 PM

            
Subject: [CANSLIM] =
M

            


            
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners =
emerging=20
            from this buying frenzy?

            
 

            
It seems to me that several recent =
rally=20
            leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - =
while the=20
            indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted=20
            isues.

            
 

            
It is also baffling to me that the =
sectors that=20
            stand to benefit the most from coming increases in =
government=20
            spending - the defense and security sector - are watching =
this=20
            action from the sideline as well.

            
 

            
So am I mising the new leaders of the =
bull, or is=20
            this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze =
heavily=20
            shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

            
 

            
Ian



      
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President

      
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I don't think I did a good job of explaining myself.
I am, in essence, comparing a narrow class of stocks defined by "X" characteristics for this rally with the same class of stocks defined by "X" characteristics from previous rallies/"true" bull runs to gain some insight as to the durability of the rally, and its underlying quality. One characteristic in "X" is that the stock has to be at a new or multiyear high. 
Now, I am not saying that leadership for a run comes only from stocks at new or multiyear highs. What I am doing is simply looking at stocks that meet that definition, and drawing inferences from the size, concentration, and breadth of that list. Thus, stocks such as EBAY and SFNT are not included in that list. FRX would be. My list of stocks I gave was not meant to be taken as the totality of stocks on that "well" list, just as examples of those stocks.
Another characteristic in "X" is that it has to have broken out and run well after the breakout point. Thus, stocks such as MNTR and WFMI are not on my list because they just recently broke out, and have not yet proven that they have run well. Does that mean that they are not potential leaders? No. Does it mean they shouldn't have been purchased on the breakout? Certainly not. Does it mean they don't meet the definitions of "X"? Yes.
Finally, the stocks need to have run strongly. Again, all I am doing is looking at the "best of the best", and getting a feel for that group. For example, take BLUD. It broke out of its recent range at around 19. As of close yesterday, it was at 21, for a gain of about 10% in just under 7 weeks. Not bad, but at the same time, the S&P has run about 20%. The situation is similar with IGT. It broke out about 5 weeks ago, has run from 70/71 to about 79. Not bad, but somewhat less impressive when compared to the runs in the indices. So would I consider BLUD and IGT to be great stocks in this run? Tough call. I think it is a little gray.
Finally, and this time I mean it, there are lots of other stocks that are forming solid bases, but which have not yet broken out. Those are all potential leaders. However, they received no mention in my email because they didn't meet the definition of "X".
I am using this narrow study as one of many things I look at to get a feel for what's happening. A more comprehensive and insightful study would be to expand the definition of "X" to include these other types of stocks. I think that would be of much more value than the restricted definition of "X" that I used. However, that is not what I did.
When I look at this run, I see a 7ish week rally that has run 20-30% on the general indices, that has seen a 70% run in the SOX, and a skew in terms of participation that is too heavily weighted towards speculative and beaten down tech relative to new leadership.
I see weak participation by retailers (some smaller, niche stocks (TSCO CHS JOSB PETM ROST KSWS CENT SHRP (until recently) AZO CPWM) have done well, but retail is a very large category, and will always have some shops doing well, so I don't consider their moves taken in isolation to be indicative of a strong consumer. WMTs weak same store sales numbers bother me a lot. The consumer has been exploiting cash out refis aggressively as well, which has been boosting retail spending. Ex-refis, I think retail would be materially weaker. I consider this a negative in evaluating the health of this rally.
I see weakness in the homebuilders, which I find troubling. I find the recent participation of highly speculative tech stocks disconcerting. I also find the bull/bear %, as well as the 30 day put/call moving average, 30 day ma of a/d on the NYSE, and the NYSE up vol. as a % of total volume indicative of a looming top. (A bit off topic, I know). There are a lot of other things I'm looking at as well that make me uncomfortable with the current rally.
So, in sum, when I look at all these things, and look at the current state of leadership considering we've had a substantial run, I lean more towards a cautious stance toward this rally at this point than an aggressive one.
Hope that helps.
Eric
 
 Katherine Malm  wrote:Thanks for the clarification, Eric. If I understand you correctly, then, you are insisting on perfect charts and strong moves since the breakouts before considering something for inclusion on your list. What is still not clear to me, however, is how you select a stock for consideration as a CANSLIM stock when making your leader board. If I look at action since the market bottom, I find 263 stocks that have shown relative outperformance to the S&P (Price>=6, AvgVol>=30000, forward growth rate>=15--that's just a simple way of identifying "growth" stocks). Granted, not all of them would pass all the CANSLIM fundamental tests and not all of them have yet staged breakouts, but that's a fairly substantial list of stocks acting well in my mind (The average gain in these stocks off the 10/10 bottom is 45%). I wondered why you wouldn't have mentioned stocks such as INFY, MNTR, SFNT, FRX, OVTI, WFMI, VIP, BLUD, ICUI, SYK, EBAY, IGT, SCSC, or PNRA. That's a small sampling of stocks with decent (though not perfect) charts off the list of 263 that are doing well, so not a complete list of "stocks doing well" in my mind. I believe that after such a strong downtrend, that we're not going to find perfection in all aspects, either fundamental or technical, but certainly if one weighs the preponderance of evidence on a list such as this, there's a lot of emerging leadership. Granted, the moves are subtle, as they are not en masse as with the Fall's homebuilder's move you mentioned, but in a new Bull market (cyclical though it may be), the new leaders will emerge one by one from various industries. Only when and if a strong Bull ensues will we see strong group moves and stong breakout moves one after the other. In the nascent stages, I think it's actually encouraging that the emerging leaders are quietly gaining strength, unknown to the general public. I also think that it's healthy that money is not rushing headlong into  former leaders as it did in so many of the previous bear rallies and that it's not a "bad thing" that money might be flowing to some beaten down quality stocks. I think WON states that about 14% of "former winners" will actually have what it takes to make a fresh run in a new Bull market. Katherine----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Jaenike To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:44 AMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

In saying "well", I am referring to "well" relative to the move in the indices as well as relative to the universe of canslim stocks that have broken out, i.e. the best of the breakouts. 
In a bull run, you're going to see lots of breakouts. Some of those breakouts will work "well", in that they have strong price appreciation, tepid pullbacks, etc. In other words, really strong canslim breakouts. Others will work fine, in that they hold above their breakouts, move up, etc, but don't act as well as the former category. 
For the purposes of the post, I was using "well" to mean this best of the best group. So, for example, TSCO has acted OK, in that its above its breakout, etc, but it hasn't acted "well" in that it dropped below its pivot (albiet slightly), and there have been some p/v yellow flags, etc. 
Also for the purposes of the discussion, I am excluding stocks like UNTD, which I believe is the combo of the old Netzero and Juno. While it certainly is a canslim/turnaround type stock, I am excluding it from the list, because I excluded that type of stock from the previous runs' lists, and I want to be consistent across comparisons. That is not to say it is not a playable stock, but merely that for comparison purposes, I don't want to include it. 
In sum, for the move we've had in the indices, the doing "well" list, which I take as a barometer of market health, seems awfully thin. The point I was trying to make is simply that the market in general is not as strong as the move in the indices would indicate. 
Hope that provides some clarity. 
Eric 

 Katherine Malm  wrote: Hi Eric, A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are "working" that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* been working and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your list. When you look at market health, how are you defining the candidates you consider to be CANSLIM stocks? Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Jaenike To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:02 PMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something. 
Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls. 
I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc. 
It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us believe. 
Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old. 
As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my longs. 
Eric 

 kentuna  wrote: Katherine,I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.Thanks----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Malm To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Hi Ian, Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well."  I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me. Katherine----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PMSubject: [CANSLIM] M
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy? It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues. It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well. So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'? Ian

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I don't think I did a good job of explaining myself.

I am, in essence, comparing a narrow class of stocks defined by "X" characteristics for this rally with the same class of stocks defined by "X" characteristics from previous rallies/"true" bull runs to gain some insight as to the durability of the rally, and its underlying quality. One characteristic in "X" is that the stock has to be at a new or multiyear high. 

Now, I am not saying that leadership for a run comes only from stocks at new or multiyear highs. What I am doing is simply looking at stocks that meet that definition, and drawing inferences from the size, concentration, and breadth of that list. Thus, stocks such as EBAY and SFNT are not included in that list. FRX would be. My list of stocks I gave was not meant to be taken as the totality of stocks on that "well" list, just as examples of those stocks.

Another characteristic in "X" is that it has to have broken out and run well after the breakout point. Thus, stocks such as MNTR and WFMI are not on my list because they just recently broke out, and have not yet proven that they have run well. Does that mean that they are not potential leaders? No. Does it mean they shouldn't have been purchased on the breakout? Certainly not. Does it mean they don't meet the definitions of "X"? Yes.

Finally, the stocks need to have run strongly. Again, all I am doing is looking at the "best of the best", and getting a feel for that group. For example, take BLUD. It broke out of its recent range at around 19. As of close yesterday, it was at 21, for a gain of about 10% in just under 7 weeks. Not bad, but at the same time, the S&P has run about 20%. The situation is similar with IGT. It broke out about 5 weeks ago, has run from 70/71 to about 79. Not bad, but somewhat less impressive when compared to the runs in the indices. So would I consider BLUD and IGT to be great stocks in this run? Tough call. I think it is a little gray.

Finally, and this time I mean it, there are lots of other stocks that are forming solid bases, but which have not yet broken out. Those are all potential leaders. However, they received no mention in my email because they didn't meet the definition of "X".

I am using this narrow study as one of many things I look at to get a feel for what's happening. A more comprehensive and insightful study would be to expand the definition of "X" to include these other types of stocks. I think that would be of much more value than the restricted definition of "X" that I used. However, that is not what I did.

When I look at this run, I see a 7ish week rally that has run 20-30% on the general indices, that has seen a 70% run in the SOX, and a skew in terms of participation that is too heavily weighted towards speculative and beaten down tech relative to new leadership.

I see weak participation by retailers (some smaller, niche stocks (TSCO CHS JOSB PETM ROST KSWS CENT SHRP (until recently) AZO CPWM) have done well, but retail is a very large category, and will always have some shops doing well, so I don't consider their moves taken in isolation to be indicative of a strong consumer. WMTs weak same store sales numbers bother me a lot. The consumer has been exploiting cash out refis aggressively as well, which has been boosting retail spending. Ex-refis, I think retail would be materially weaker. I consider this a negative in evaluating the health of this rally.

I see weakness in the homebuilders, which I find troubling. I find the recent participation of highly speculative tech stocks disconcerting. I also find the bull/bear %, as well as the 30 day put/call moving average, 30 day ma of a/d on the NYSE, and the NYSE up vol. as a % of total volume indicative of a looming top. (A bit off topic, I know). There are a lot of other things I'm looking at as well that make me uncomfortable with the current rally.

So, in sum, when I look at all these things, and look at the current state of leadership considering we've had a substantial run, I lean more towards a cautious stance toward this rally at this point than an aggressive one.

Hope that helps.

Eric

 

 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> wrote:




Thanks for the clarification, Eric. If I understand you correctly, then, you are insisting on perfect charts and strong moves since the breakouts before considering something for inclusion on your list. What is still not clear to me, however, is how you select a stock for consideration as a CANSLIM stock when making your leader board.


 


If I look at action since the market bottom, I find 263 stocks that have shown relative outperformance to the S&P (Price>=6, AvgVol>=30000, forward growth rate>=15--that's just a simple way of identifying "growth" stocks). Granted, not all of them would pass all the CANSLIM fundamental tests and not all of them have yet staged breakouts, but that's a fairly substantial list of stocks acting well in my mind (The average gain in these stocks off the 10/10 bottom is 45%). I wondered why you wouldn't have mentioned stocks such as INFY, MNTR, SFNT, FRX, OVTI, WFMI, VIP, BLUD, ICUI, SYK, EBAY, IGT, SCSC, or PNRA. That's a small sampling of stocks with decent (though not perfect) charts off the list of 263 that are doing well, so not a complete list of "stocks doing well" in my mind.


 


I believe that after such a strong downtrend, that we're not going to find perfection in all aspects, either fundamental or technical, but certainly if one weighs the preponderance of evidence on a list such as this, there's a lot of emerging leadership. Granted, the moves are subtle, as they are not en masse as with the Fall's homebuilder's move you mentioned, but in a new Bull market (cyclical though it may be), the new leaders will emerge one by one from various industries. Only when and if a strong Bull ensues will we see strong group moves and stong breakout moves one after the other. In the nascent stages, I think it's actually encouraging that the emerging leaders are quietly gaining strength, unknown to the general public. I also think that it's healthy that money is not rushing headlong into  former leaders as it did in so many of the previous bear rallies and that it's not a "bad thing" that money might be flowing to some beaten down quality stocks. I think WON states that about 14% of "former winners" will actually have what it takes to make a fresh run in a new Bull market.


 


Katherine




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In saying "well", I am referring to "well" relative to the move in the indices as well as relative to the universe of canslim stocks that have broken out, i.e. the best of the breakouts. 

In a bull run, you're going to see lots of breakouts. Some of those breakouts will work "well", in that they have strong price appreciation, tepid pullbacks, etc. In other words, really strong canslim breakouts. Others will work fine, in that they hold above their breakouts, move up, etc, but don't act as well as the former category. 

For the purposes of the post, I was using "well" to mean this best of the best group. So, for example, TSCO has acted OK, in that its above its breakout, etc, but it hasn't acted "well" in that it dropped below its pivot (albiet slightly), and there have been some p/v yellow flags, etc. 

Also for the purposes of the discussion, I am excluding stocks like UNTD, which I believe is the combo of the old Netzero and Juno. While it certainly is a canslim/turnaround type stock, I am excluding it from the list, because I excluded that type of stock from the previous runs' lists, and I want to be consistent across comparisons. That is not to say it is not a playable stock, but merely that for comparison purposes, I don't want to include it. 

In sum, for the move we've had in the indices, the doing "well" list, which I take as a barometer of market health, seems awfully thin. The point I was trying to make is simply that the market in general is not as strong as the move in the indices would indicate. 

Hope that provides some clarity. 

Eric 



 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> wrote: 




Hi Eric,


 


A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are "working" that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* been working and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your list. When you look at market health, how are you defining the candidates you consider to be CANSLIM stocks?


 


Katherine


 


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I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something. 

Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls. 

I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc. 

It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us believe. 

Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old. 

As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my longs. 

Eric 



 kentuna <kentuna@cox.net> wrote: 






Katherine,


I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.


Thanks




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Hi Ian,


 


Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well." 

 


I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.


 


Katherine




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Subject: [CANSLIM] M





Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?


 


It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.


 


It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.


 


So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?


 


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From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] sector identification
Date: 22 Nov 2002 13:08:13 -0600

All,

I have been starting to do some sector analysis, and was wondering if
someone could point me to a website that would allow me to figure out what
sector a particular company belongs in, and more importantly, if there is
an index within that sector that the stock belongs to.

I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, and am working
backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but then wanting to
use P&F sector charting to see the sector strength.

Any ideas?

Have a nice weekend

Mike


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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 22 Nov 2002 18:39:50 -0500

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calculating max/min risk/rewards from shorting

obviously, how to measure/define a good short candidate

how to screen for a short candidate

when to enter a short position (e.g. chart reading)

when to close a short position

use of hard stops

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From: "Katherine Malm"
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] sector identification
Date: 22 Nov 2002 16:13:36 -0800

Hi Mike,

Try:

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/industry/bigcharts-com/
or
www.wallstreetcity.com

For P&Fif ( you're not already familiar with the site): www.dorseywright.com

Katherine

On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:08:13 -0600 michael_niemotka@baxter.com wrote:

> All,
> 
> I have been starting to do some sector
> analysis, and was wondering if
> someone could point me to a website that would
> allow me to figure out what
> sector a particular company belongs in, and
> more importantly, if there is
> an index within that sector that the stock
> belongs to.
> 
> I am interested in point and figure charting
> for a sector, and am working
> backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good
> company, but then wanting to
> use P&F sector charting to see the sector
> strength.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Have a nice weekend
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> Mike Niemotka , PE
> Sr. Principal Engineer
> Baxter Healthcare Corporation
> Route 120 & Wilson Road
> Round Lake, IL 60073
> Tel (847) 270-4075
> Fax (847) 270-4525
> michael_niemotka@baxter.com
> 
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what
  sector a particular company belongs in, and more importantly, if there =
is
  an index within that sector that the stock belongs to.

  I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, and am =
working
  backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but then =
wanting to
  use P&F sector charting to see the sector strength.

  Any ideas?

  Have a nice weekend

  Mike


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  Baxter Healthcare Corporation
  Route 120 & Wilson Road
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Date: 22 Nov 2002 18:04:48 -0600

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From: "Patrick Wahl" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 22 Nov 2002 17:30:27 -0700

In addition to what Tom said, people need to know that if they are short a 
dividend paying stock when it pays a dividend, they are responsible for 
paying the dividend.

On 22 Nov 2002 at 14:16, Gene Ricci wrote:

> I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local user group and want to start with an outline. I
> would really appreciate your inputs on the minimum concepts that an investor must know before adding shorting to
> their bag of tricks? 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Gene
> 
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From: Bob Raible 
Subject: [CANSLIM] What's with KLIC???
Date: 22 Nov 2002 16:35:26 -0800 (PST)

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Up over 50% on high volume in two days, not long after a couple of downgrades. What gives?
 Tom Worley  wrote:Hi Ian, With the Republicans in control, defense contractors will benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from boots to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once again Congress has failed to pass the required budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new Congress reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last year's budget, so little new spending will develop for some time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Hi Tom: I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks. I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out. Ian  ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Worley To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in my VR Fund. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PMSubject: [CANSLIM] M
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy? It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues. It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well. So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'? Ian

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 Tom Worley <stkguru@bellsouth.net> wrote:






Hi Ian,


 


With the Republicans in control, defense contractors will benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from boots to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once again Congress has failed to pass the required budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new Congress reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last year's budget, so little new spending will develop for some time.


 


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Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M





Hi Tom:


 


I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks.


 


I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out.


 


Ian


 


 




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Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in my VR Fund.


 


----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ian 



Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] M





Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?


 


It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.


 


It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.


 


So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?


 


Ian


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From: "David Taggart" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] sector identification
Date: 22 Nov 2002 17:43:12 -0700

http://www.stockcharts.com has some excellent point and figure charting
features including bullish percents for a variety of sectors.  Dorsey
Wright is a great site for PnF also.  Tom Dorsey also has a book in its
second edition that is worth reading as well on PnF.  

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/industry/bigcharts-com/  Is pretty good
for sector research.  It breaks it down into 10 main sectors and then
breaks those into the Dow Jones industry groups there are over 100 of
them within the industry groups you can rank the stocks based upon their
performance over the past 1 week, 1 month, 2,3, and 6 months, and 1,2,
and 3 year periods.  So basically they let you screen for RS.  Overall a
pretty good site tool.

http://www.stockcharts.com also has some good sector tools.  One of my
favorite things on that site is the perfcharts.  They let you compare a
bunch of symbols against each other over a lot of different time frames.
They also have a lot of canned perfcharts with sectors, indexes, and
intermarket analysis.  I think stockcharts is probably the best free
charting site on the web.  http://www.prophetfinance.com is also really
good offering a lot of tools.

If you already have a data provider like QP2 etc. then
http://www.pfscan.com is a nice inexpensive but very useful PnF as well
as candlestick charting program letting you do a lot of PnF work.  Its
only $100 and Dave Baker the developer is a helpful guy very responsive.

Good Luck,
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Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:08 PM

All,

I have been starting to do some sector analysis, and was wondering if
someone could point me to a website that would allow me to figure out
what
sector a particular company belongs in, and more importantly, if there
is
an index within that sector that the stock belongs to.

I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, and am
working
backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but then wanting
to
use P&F sector charting to see the sector strength.

Any ideas?

Have a nice weekend

Mike


Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. Principal Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847) 270-4525
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's with KLIC???
Date: 22 Nov 2002 19:43:31 -0500

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Bob, when a stock loses over 90% of its value in less than a year, a =
dead cat bounce is common. And when you have gone from over $21 to under =
$2, any "rally" can show impressive returns for the short term period. =
On the other hand, after this 50% gain you mention, it can still triple, =
yet leave investors that bought earlier this year with a 15% loss.

It has a non-standard fiscal year, ended September. And its Q4 was a =
disaster with over a $3 per share loss recorded. I would assume, since I =
will not bother with any research, that they wrote off a lot of stuff in =
that quarter. Still, forecasts are for losing another dollar during the =
current year, so doesn't meet any CANSLIM I know of, including its =
current Group RS of D minus.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:35 PM


Up over 50% on high volume in two days, not long after a couple of =
downgrades. What gives?=20

 Tom Worley  wrote:=20

  Hi Ian,

  With the Republicans in control, defense contractors will benefit for =
the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from boots to =
guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among =
technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, =
cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as =
anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The =
reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense =
agency will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once =
again Congress has failed to pass the required budgets for most =
agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new Congress =
reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last =
year's budget, so little new spending will develop for some time.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ian=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


  Hi Tom:

  I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you =
are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., =
I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of =
late 1999 for tech stocks.

  I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the =
coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this =
game, and need to give it more time to play out.

  Ian


    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Tom Worley=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


    Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks =
in my VR Fund.

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Ian=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM
    Subject: [CANSLIM] M


    Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying =
frenzy?

    It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over =
ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled =
by the most heavily shorted isues.

    It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the =
most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and =
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

    So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just =
shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? =
Opinions? Whither 'M'?

    Ian


Bob Raible
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Bob, when a stock loses over 90% of its value in =
less than=20
a year, a dead cat bounce is common. And when you have gone from over =
$21 to=20
under $2, any "rally" can show impressive returns for the short term =
period. On=20
the other hand, after this 50% gain you mention, it can still triple, =
yet leave=20
investors that bought earlier this year with a 15% loss.


 


It has a non-standard fiscal year, ended =
September. And=20
its Q4 was a disaster with over a $3 per share loss recorded. I would =
assume,=20
since I will not bother with any research, that they wrote off a lot of =
stuff in=20
that quarter. Still, forecasts are for losing another dollar during the =
current=20
year, so doesn't meet any CANSLIM I know of, including its current Group =
RS of D=20
minus.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Bob =
Raible 



Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:35 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] What's with KLIC???





Up over 50% on high volume in two days, not long after a couple =
of=20
downgrades. What gives?=20

 Tom Worley <stkguru@bellsouth.net> wrote:=20


  
  

  
Hi Ian,

  
 

  
With the Republicans in control, defense =
contractors=20
  will benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all =
materials, from=20
  boots to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will =
be among=20
  technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart =
bombs, cruise=20
  missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as anti-terrorist =
software=20
  such as network and PC level security. The reorganization of 26 =
different=20
  agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency will likely disrupt =
normal=20
  spending patterns. But then, once again Congress has failed to pass =
the=20
  required budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to do so until =
after the=20
  new Congress reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still =
operating on=20
  last year's budget, so little new spending will develop for some=20
  time.

  
 

  
----- Original Message -----=20
  
From: Ian 

  
  
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
Hi Tom:

  
 

  
I guess I was thinking of physical, =
defense-related=20
  security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing =
networks,=20
  PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was =

  reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks.

  
 

  
I was thinking of small companies that are going =
to benefit=20
  from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little =
early to=20
  this game, and need to give it more time to play out.

  
 

  
Ian

  
 

  
 

  
    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    Tom=20
    Worley 
    
    
Sent: Thursday, November 21, =
2002 8:52=20
    PM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M

    


    
Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely =
today, as did=20
    my IT stocks in my VR Fund.

    
 

    
----- Original Message -----=20
    
From: =
Ian 

    
    
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM

    
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

    


    
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners =
emerging from=20
    this buying frenzy?

    
 

    
It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders are=20
    rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead,=20
    propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

    
 

    
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that =
stand to=20
    benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - =
the=20
    defense and security sector - are watching this action from the =
sideline as=20
    well.

    
 

    
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or =
is this=20
    just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted =
positions?=20
    Opinions? Whither 'M'?

    
 

    
Ian


Bob=20
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 22 Nov 2002 19:45:33 -0500

On the same point, as an investor on the long side, your shares typically
can be "borrowed" without either your knowledge, permission, or awareness to
loan to a shorter. If a proxy comes along while your shares have been loaned
out, you lose your vote, it goes to whoever bought those shares from the
shorter.

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Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:30 PM


In addition to what Tom said, people need to know that if they are short a
dividend paying stock when it pays a dividend, they are responsible for
paying the dividend.

On 22 Nov 2002 at 14:16, Gene Ricci wrote:

> I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local user
group and want to start with an outline. I
> would really appreciate your inputs on the minimum concepts that an
investor must know before adding shorting to
> their bag of tricks?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Gene
>
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From: "David Taggart" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 22 Nov 2002 17:47:24 -0700

I had a client a few weeks ago call up asking why $3500 was taken from
his account for ? realty.  Obviously he was short a REIT and they tend
to pay big dividends.  Luckily he had a bigger profit from the short but
it definitely put a damper on his mood.

David Taggart

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Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 5:30 PM

In addition to what Tom said, people need to know that if they are short
a 
dividend paying stock when it pays a dividend, they are responsible for 
paying the dividend.

On 22 Nov 2002 at 14:16, Gene Ricci wrote:

> I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local user
group and want to start with an outline. I
> would really appreciate your inputs on the minimum concepts that an
investor must know before adding shorting to
> their bag of tricks? 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Gene
> 
> 



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From: "Curt Corley" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 22 Nov 2002 19:01:33 -0600

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You may also want to consider discussing the use of margin accounts for
short selling, although that topic might fall under one of the topics
that Tom has already mentioned (like advantages/disadvantages or
risk/reward).  
 
One other good topic that I rarely hear anybody mentioning is the use of
inverse funds to short the markets.  For instance, the Rydex and
Profunds companies both manage mutual funds that attempt to return the
inverse (or double the inverse) of the major indices.  This is an
especially nice thing to know if you are trading from an account -- like
my ROTH IRA accounts, for instance -- that will not allow you to sell
stocks short.  Buying a bearish mutual fund is a great way to make money
in bear markets with such an account.  Buying and selling RYTPX
(double-inverse of S&P 500) on the 10- and 20- day moving average
crossovers would have gained you 118% since July 2000.  A buy-and-hold
strategy on the RYVYX (double-inverse of the NAZ) would have gained you
211.2% since July 2000. 
 
Cheers,
Curt
 
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Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 5:40 PM
 
advantages / disadvantages of using shorting instead of buying a put
and/or selling a call option
 
calculating max/min risk/rewards from shorting
 
obviously, how to measure/define a good short candidate
 
how to screen for a short candidate
 
when to enter a short position (e.g. chart reading)
 
when to close a short position
 
use of hard stops
 
----- Original Message ----- 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 3:16 PM
 
I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local user
group and want to start with an outline. I would really appreciate your
inputs on the minimum concepts that an investor must know before adding
shorting to their bag of tricks?

Thanks in advance,
Gene

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You may also want to consider =
discussing the
use of margin accounts for short selling, although that topic might fall =
under one
of the topics that Tom has already mentioned (like =
advantages/disadvantages or
risk/reward).=A0 =




 



One other good topic that I rarely =
hear
anybody mentioning is the use of inverse funds to short the =
markets.=A0 For instance, the Rydex
and Profunds companies both manage mutual =
funds that
attempt to return the inverse (or double the inverse) of the major =
indices.=A0 This is an especially nice thing =
to know if
you are trading from an account -- like my ROTH IRA accounts, for =
instance -- that
will not allow you to sell stocks short.=A0
Buying a bearish mutual fund is a great way to make money in bear
markets with such an account. =A0Buying and
selling RYTPX (double-inverse of S&P 500) on the 10- and 20- day =
moving
average crossovers would have gained you 118% since July 2000.=A0 A buy-and-hold strategy on the =
RYVYX (double-inverse
of the NAZ) would have gained you 211.2% since July 2000. =




 



Cheers,
=



Curt



 



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22, 2002
5:40 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting



 






advantages / disadvantages =
of using
shorting instead of buying a put and/or selling a call =
option









 









calculating max/min =
risk/rewards
from shorting









 









obviously, how to =
measure/define a
good short candidate









 









how to screen for a short =
candidate









 









when to enter a short =
position (e.g.
chart reading)









 









when to close a short =
position









 









use of hard =
stops









 









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From: Gene Ricci =












Sent: Friday,
November 22, 2002 3:16 PM









Subject: [CANSLIM]
Shorting












 









I'm trying to =
develop a
training module on shorting for our local user group and want to start =
with an
outline. I would really appreciate your inputs on the minimum =
concepts
that an investor must know before adding shorting to their bag of =
tricks?



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From: "David Taggart" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 22 Nov 2002 18:09:52 -0700

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Gene,

 

I think that really the only concept that shorters NEED to know well is
risk control.  Luckily most people that finally wake up and see the
light (actually are willing to short)  realize that.  For that matter
Risk control is about the only thing that is imperative in any
investment/trading method.  Risk aside I think  inverted CANSLIM works
like a champ.  I add and take away a few things but mainly I like it to
have huge debt levels.  I made some money on a few cable companies back
in the Adelphia days.  Unfortunately I was only short two stocks and I
got out of one way to early the other one I made some good money on
though.  I also don't require a stock to be above $12 for a short.  I
only require it to be above $6 though I have shorted a few right above
$5.  Another point on shorts is that while numbers like 50 and 100 might
be resistance for longs it is for a purely psychological reason.  But on
the way down stocks have two important levels $10 and $5  A lot of
pension funds and some other institutional types are not allowed to hold
stocks that are under $10 so a lot of times it is a good area to take
some profits because they tend to support them for a time.  $5 is a
strong level because once they are below $5 they aren't marginable so a
lot of holders have to sell.  So it is an area to be watched both for
people trying to support the stock and for when it breaks below a lot of
times it will go $.50-1.00 the same day due to all of the selling.

 

Fundamentally I mentioned High Debt levels.  I also like (actually
require) large institutional holdings like above 60% and ideally above
80%.  One thing I heard from Cramer once that made sense (actually about
the only thing that has made sense from his mouth) is that you can look
at the holdings for Janus funds and if it is a large holding in their
portfolios then it is a good shorting idea because they have had to sell
a ton to meet redemptions. Of course Janus isn't the only fund company
that has seen way better days.  

 

Some people that get in the news sometimes that are worth reading
regarding shorting are the guys at Gotham Partners, they do some awesome
research so when they go short they are usually right.  David Rocker is
also a good short seller.  Bill Fleckenstein is good too but his column
is TOO negative for me  as opposed to him I don't think the world will
end next week.  If you are a member of Tradingmarkets I love Mark
Bouchers stuff on trading and he has somne great criteria for shorting.
Another person who you get to hear from on occasion in the news in
Ahtmet Okomus he is a smart guy and really does his homework.  In
general Short-Sellers are better at their homework than the long side
crowd.

 

But like I said at the beginning Risk Control is the most important part
of trading short or long so I would obviously stress that.

 

Another thing I just remembered is that many people think that you can
only make 100% on a short.  That is not true.  As the stock drops your
equity grows so you can short more and more as it goes down while
staying at the same margin level.

 

 

Good Luck,

David Taggart

 

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ricci
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:16 PM

 

I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local user
group and want to start with an outline. I would really appreciate your
inputs on the minimum concepts that an investor must know before adding
shorting to their bag of tricks?

Thanks in advance,
Gene


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Gene,



 



I think that really the only =
concept that shorters
NEED to know well is risk control.  Luckily most people that =
finally wake
up and see the light (actually are willing to short)  realize =
that. 
For that matter Risk control is about the only thing that is imperative =
in any
investment/trading method.  Risk aside I think  inverted =
CANSLIM
works like a champ.  I add and take away a few things but mainly I =
like it
to have huge debt levels.  I made some money on a few cable =
companies back
in the Adelphia days.  Unfortunately I was only short two stocks =
and I got
out of one way to early the other one I made some good money on =
though.  I
also don’t require a stock to be above $12 for a short.  I =
only
require it to be above $6 though I have shorted a few right above =
$5. 
Another point on shorts is that while numbers like 50 and 100 might be
resistance for longs it is for a purely psychological reason.  But =
on the
way down stocks have two important levels $10 and $5  A lot of =
pension
funds and some other institutional types are not allowed to hold stocks =
that
are under $10 so a lot of times it is a good area to take some profits =
because
they tend to support them for a time.  $5 is a strong level because =
once
they are below $5 they aren’t marginable so a lot of holders have =
to
sell.  So it is an area to be watched both for people trying to =
support
the stock and for when it breaks below a lot of times it will go =
$.50-1.00 the
same day due to all of the selling.



 



Fundamentally I mentioned High Debt
levels.  I also like (actually require) large institutional =
holdings like
above 60% and ideally above 80%.  One thing I heard from Cramer =
once that
made sense (actually about the only thing that has made sense from his =
mouth)
is that you can look at the holdings for Janus funds and if it is a =
large
holding in their portfolios then it is a good shorting idea because they =
have
had to sell a ton to meet redemptions. Of course Janus isn’t the =
only
fund company that has seen way better days.  



 



Some people that get in the news =
sometimes
that are worth reading regarding shorting are the guys at Gotham =
Partners, they
do some awesome research so when they go short they are usually =
right.  David
Rocker is also a good short seller.  Bill Fleckenstein is good too =
but his
column is TOO negative for me  as opposed to him I don’t =
think the world
will end next week.  If you are a member of Tradingmarkets I love =
Mark Bouchers
stuff on trading and he has somne great criteria for shorting.  =
Another
person who you get to hear from on occasion in the news in Ahtmet Okomus =
he is
a smart guy and really does his homework.  In general Short-Sellers =
are
better at their homework than the long side crowd.



 



But like I said at the beginning =
Risk
Control is the most important part of trading short or long so I would
obviously stress that.



 



Another thing I just remembered is =
that
many people think that you can only make 100% on a short.  That is =
not
true.  As the stock drops your equity grows so you can short more =
and more
as it goes down while staying at the same margin =
level.



 



 



Good Luck,



David Taggart



 



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Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ricci

Sent: Friday, November =
22, 2002
1:16 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting



 






I'm trying to develop a training module on
shorting for our local user group and want to start with an outline. I =
would
really appreciate your inputs on the minimum concepts that an =
investor
must know before adding shorting to their bag of tricks?



Thanks in advance,

Gene












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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 22 Nov 2002 18:12:41 -0700

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I think that the best part of the inverse funds is that you can short in
an IRA with them.  Not as good as individual stocks but a lot better
than nothing.

 

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Curt Corley
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 6:02 PM

 

You may also want to consider discussing the use of margin accounts for
short selling, although that topic might fall under one of the topics
that Tom has already mentioned (like advantages/disadvantages or
risk/reward).  

 

One other good topic that I rarely hear anybody mentioning is the use of
inverse funds to short the markets.  For instance, the Rydex and
Profunds companies both manage mutual funds that attempt to return the
inverse (or double the inverse) of the major indices.  This is an
especially nice thing to know if you are trading from an account -- like
my ROTH IRA accounts, for instance -- that will not allow you to sell
stocks short.  Buying a bearish mutual fund is a great way to make money
in bear markets with such an account.  Buying and selling RYTPX
(double-inverse of S&P 500) on the 10- and 20- day moving average
crossovers would have gained you 118% since July 2000.  A buy-and-hold
strategy on the RYVYX (double-inverse of the NAZ) would have gained you
211.2% since July 2000. 

 

Cheers,

Curt

 

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Worley
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 5:40 PM

 

advantages / disadvantages of using shorting instead of buying a put
and/or selling a call option

 

calculating max/min risk/rewards from shorting

 

obviously, how to measure/define a good short candidate

 

how to screen for a short candidate

 

when to enter a short position (e.g. chart reading)

 

when to close a short position

 

use of hard stops

 

----- Original Message ----- 



Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 3:16 PM


 

I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local user
group and want to start with an outline. I would really appreciate your
inputs on the minimum concepts that an investor must know before adding
shorting to their bag of tricks?

Thanks in advance,
Gene


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I think that the best part of the =
inverse
funds is that you can short in an IRA with them.  Not as good as =
individual
stocks but a lot better than nothing.



 



-----Original =
Message-----

From: =
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On
Behalf Of Curt Corley

Sent: Friday,
 November 22, 2002 6:02 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting



 



You may also =
want to
consider discussing the use of margin accounts for short selling, =
although that
topic might fall under one of the topics that Tom has already mentioned =
(like
advantages/disadvantages or risk/reward).  



 



One other good =
topic that
I rarely hear anybody mentioning is the use of inverse funds to short =
the
markets.  For instance, the Rydex and Profunds companies both =
manage mutual
funds that attempt to return the inverse (or double the inverse) of the =
major
indices.  This is an especially nice thing to know if you are =
trading from an
account -- like my ROTH IRA accounts, for instance -- that will not =
allow you
to sell stocks short.  Buying a bearish mutual fund is a great way =
to make
money in bear markets with such an account.  Buying and selling =
RYTPX
(double-inverse of S&P 500) on the 10- and 20- day moving average
crossovers would have gained you 118% since July 2000.  A =
buy-and-hold strategy
on the RYVYX (double-inverse of the NAZ) would have gained you 211.2% =
since July
2000. 



 



Cheers,



Curt



 



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Sent: Friday,
 November 22, 2002 5:40 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting



 






advantages / disadvantages =
of using
shorting instead of buying a put and/or selling a call =
option









 









calculating max/min =
risk/rewards
from shorting









 









obviously, how to =
measure/define a
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when to close a short =
position









 









use of hard =
stops









 









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From: Gene Ricci 











Sent: Friday, November
 22, 2002 3:16 PM









Subject: [CANSLIM]
Shorting












 









I'm trying to develop a training module on
shorting for our local user group and want to start with an outline. I =
would
really appreciate your inputs on the minimum concepts that an =
investor
must know before adding shorting to their bag of tricks?



Thanks in advance,

Gene












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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 22 Nov 2002 18:17:12 -0700

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Another thing regarding shorting is that I have found it doesn't hurt as
much to take some profits a little early as It does on the long side.

 

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[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Taggart
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 6:10 PM

 

Gene,

 

I think that really the only concept that shorters NEED to know well is
risk control.  Luckily most people that finally wake up and see the
light (actually are willing to short)  realize that.  For that matter
Risk control is about the only thing that is imperative in any
investment/trading method.  Risk aside I think  inverted CANSLIM works
like a champ.  I add and take away a few things but mainly I like it to
have huge debt levels.  I made some money on a few cable companies back
in the Adelphia days.  Unfortunately I was only short two stocks and I
got out of one way to early the other one I made some good money on
though.  I also don't require a stock to be above $12 for a short.  I
only require it to be above $6 though I have shorted a few right above
$5.  Another point on shorts is that while numbers like 50 and 100 might
be resistance for longs it is for a purely psychological reason.  But on
the way down stocks have two important levels $10 and $5  A lot of
pension funds and some other institutional types are not allowed to hold
stocks that are under $10 so a lot of times it is a good area to take
some profits because they tend to support them for a time.  $5 is a
strong level because once they are below $5 they aren't marginable so a
lot of holders have to sell.  So it is an area to be watched both for
people trying to support the stock and for when it breaks below a lot of
times it will go $.50-1.00 the same day due to all of the selling.

 

Fundamentally I mentioned High Debt levels.  I also like (actually
require) large institutional holdings like above 60% and ideally above
80%.  One thing I heard from Cramer once that made sense (actually about
the only thing that has made sense from his mouth) is that you can look
at the holdings for Janus funds and if it is a large holding in their
portfolios then it is a good shorting idea because they have had to sell
a ton to meet redemptions. Of course Janus isn't the only fund company
that has seen way better days.  

 

Some people that get in the news sometimes that are worth reading
regarding shorting are the guys at Gotham Partners, they do some awesome
research so when they go short they are usually right.  David Rocker is
also a good short seller.  Bill Fleckenstein is good too but his column
is TOO negative for me  as opposed to him I don't think the world will
end next week.  If you are a member of Tradingmarkets I love Mark
Bouchers stuff on trading and he has somne great criteria for shorting.
Another person who you get to hear from on occasion in the news in
Ahtmet Okomus he is a smart guy and really does his homework.  In
general Short-Sellers are better at their homework than the long side
crowd.

 

But like I said at the beginning Risk Control is the most important part
of trading short or long so I would obviously stress that.

 

Another thing I just remembered is that many people think that you can
only make 100% on a short.  That is not true.  As the stock drops your
equity grows so you can short more and more as it goes down while
staying at the same margin level.

 

 

Good Luck,

David Taggart

 

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ricci
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:16 PM

 

I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local user
group and want to start with an outline. I would really appreciate your
inputs on the minimum concepts that an investor must know before adding
shorting to their bag of tricks?

Thanks in advance,
Gene


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Another thing regarding shorting is =
that I
have found it doesn’t hurt as much to take some profits a little =
early as
It does on the long side.



 



-----Original =
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Taggart

Sent: Friday, November =
22, 2002
6:10 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting



 



Gene,



 



I think that =
really the
only concept that shorters NEED to know well is risk control.  =
Luckily
most people that finally wake up and see the light (actually are willing =
to
short)  realize that.  For that matter Risk control is about =
the only
thing that is imperative in any investment/trading method.  Risk =
aside I
think  inverted CANSLIM works like a champ.  I add and take =
away a
few things but mainly I like it to have huge debt levels.  I made =
some
money on a few cable companies back in the Adelphia days.  =
Unfortunately I
was only short two stocks and I got out of one way to early the other =
one I
made some good money on though.  I also don’t require a stock =
to be
above $12 for a short.  I only require it to be above $6 though I =
have
shorted a few right above $5.  Another point on shorts is that =
while
numbers like 50 and 100 might be resistance for longs it is for a purely
psychological reason.  But on the way down stocks have two =
important
levels $10 and $5  A lot of pension funds and some other =
institutional
types are not allowed to hold stocks that are under $10 so a lot of =
times it is
a good area to take some profits because they tend to support them for a
time.  $5 is a strong level because once they are below $5 they
aren’t marginable so a lot of holders have to sell.  So it is =
an
area to be watched both for people trying to support the stock and for =
when it
breaks below a lot of times it will go $.50-1.00 the same day due to all =
of the
selling.



 



Fundamentally I =
mentioned
High Debt levels.  I also like (actually require) large =
institutional
holdings like above 60% and ideally above 80%.  One thing I heard =
from
Cramer once that made sense (actually about the only thing that has made =
sense
from his mouth) is that you can look at the holdings for Janus funds and =
if it
is a large holding in their portfolios then it is a good shorting idea =
because
they have had to sell a ton to meet redemptions. Of course Janus =
isn’t
the only fund company that has seen way better days.  =




 



Some people that =
get in
the news sometimes that are worth reading regarding shorting are the =
guys at
Gotham Partners, they do some awesome research so when they go short =
they are
usually right.  David Rocker is also a good short seller.  =
Bill
Fleckenstein is good too but his column is TOO negative for me  as =
opposed
to him I don’t think the world will end next week.  If you =
are a
member of Tradingmarkets I love Mark Bouchers stuff on trading and he =
has somne
great criteria for shorting.  Another person who you get to hear =
from on
occasion in the news in Ahtmet Okomus he is a smart guy and really does =
his
homework.  In general Short-Sellers are better at their homework =
than the
long side crowd.



 



But like I said =
at the
beginning Risk Control is the most important part of trading short or =
long so I
would obviously stress that.



 



Another thing I =
just
remembered is that many people think that you can only make 100% on a
short.  That is not true.  As the stock drops your equity =
grows so
you can short more and more as it goes down while staying at the same =
margin
level.



 



 



Good =
Luck,



David =
Taggart



 



-----Original =
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ricci

Sent: Friday, November =
22, 2002
1:16 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting



 






I'm trying to develop a training module on
shorting for our local user group and want to start with an outline. I =
would
really appreciate your inputs on the minimum concepts that an =
investor
must know before adding shorting to their bag of tricks?



Thanks in advance,

Gene












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From: "Curt Corley" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was  M)
Date: 22 Nov 2002 20:30:57 -0600

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Katherine,
=20
Thanks for your input.  Your help is invaluable.  I looked at the
indices in TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.  I looked
at the NASDAQ, S&P-500, and Russell 2000.  Here=92s what I found on all =
3
charts.
=20
CMS:
MoneyStream stayed above it=92s linear regression line on the left side =
of
the cup, on the right side of the cup, and during the BO.  However, it
stayed below the linear regression line along the bottom of the cup and
during the handle formation.
=20
TSV:
TSV stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the cup.
Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV plunged way below the zero line.  On
the right side of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line again.
During the handle formation and the BO, TSV dipped down and back up
again.
=20
I guess this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price
action because there were no divergences.  Since you mentioned
Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On Balance
Volume and/or Balance of Power.  However, I haven=92t had much success
with those indicators in the past.
=20
I=92m trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you=92re
certainly helping a great deal along with other members of this list.
Once again, thank you very much.
=20
Cheers,
Curt
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:58 PM
=20
Hi Curt,
=20
I don't think when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as
the NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in the same way that
it is on an individual stock. My take on it is simply that an index
represents a huge number of individual stocks, and while the general
price pattern will indicate a reversal of a trend or a general shift in
psychology and pattern of buying and selling in the market, the volume
doesn't really tell you the same story as it does in an individual
stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to look for a
pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher volume
than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to
look for the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an
individual stock.
=20
Katherine
----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:27 PM
=20
I=92m glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in
today=92s IBD.  I looked at the charts, and they did not appear to have
rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the
heaviest volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don=92t =
think
the indices have shown great cwh characteristics.  However, I=92m a =
novice
at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my
view. =20
=20
Curt
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:11 PM
=20
Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from
this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the
handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on
the parade!
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:04 PM
Hi Ian,
=20
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the
sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in
government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching
this action from the sideline as well."=20
=20
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is
definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as
healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than
I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.
=20
Katherine
----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
=20
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying
frenzy?
=20
It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly
today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by
the most heavily shorted isues.
=20
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the
most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and
security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.
=20
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term
traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions?
Whither 'M'?
=20
Ian

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Thanks for your input.=A0 Your help is invaluable.=A0 I looked at the indices in TC2000 =
with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.=A0 I looked at the NASDAQ, =
S&P-500, and
Russell 2000.=A0 Here’s =
what I found on
all 3 charts.



 



CMS:



MoneyStream stayed above it’s linear =
regression
line on the left side of the cup, on the right side of the cup, and =
during the
BO.=A0 However, it stayed below =
the linear
regression line along the bottom of the cup and during the handle =
formation.



 



TSV:



TSV stayed mainly above the center =
line
during the left-side of the cup.=A0 =
Toward
the bottom of the cup, TSV plunged way below the zero line. =A0On the right side of the cup, TSV =
shot high
above the center line again.=A0 =
During the
handle formation and the BO, TSV dipped down and back up =
again.



 



I guess this is supposed to tell me =
that
volume supported the price action because there were no =
divergences.=A0 Since you mentioned =
Accumulation/Distribution,
I probably should have looked at On Balance Volume and/or Balance of
Power.=A0 However, I =
haven’t had much
success with those indicators in the past.



 



I’m trying to become more =
proficient
at chart reading, and you’re certainly helping a great deal along =
with
other members of this list.=A0 =
Once again,
thank you very much.



 



Cheers,
=



Curt



 



 



-----Original =
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm

Sent: =
Thursday, November 21, =
2002 10:58 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M



 






Hi Curt,









 









I don't think when you're looking at patterns =
on major
indexes such as the NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in =
the same
way that it is on an individual stock. My take on it is simply that an =
index
represents a huge number of individual stocks, and while the general =
price
pattern will indicate a reversal of a trend or a general shift in =
psychology
and pattern of buying and selling in the market, the volume doesn't =
really tell
you the same story as it does in an individual stock. In other words, I =
think
that it's more important to look for a pattern of accumulation outpacing
distribution (up days on higher volume than the previous day vs. down =
days on
higher volume), than it is to look for the "bathtub" volume =
pattern
that one would use on an individual stock.









 









Katherine












----- Original Message =
----- 













Sent: Thursday,
November 21, 2002 6:27 PM









Subject: RE:
[CANSLIM] M









 






I’m glad =
you
mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in today’s
IBD.=A0 I looked at the charts, =
and they
did not appear to have rising volume on the sides of the cups.=A0 As a matter of fact, the heaviest =
volume days
were at the very bottom of the cup.=A0 =
I
don’t think the indices have shown great cwh characteristics.=A0 However, I’m a novice at =
this stuff, so
I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my view.=A0 



 =




Curt



 =




-----Original =
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short

Sent: =
Thursday, November 21, =
2002 3:11 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
M



 






Speaking
of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from this =
morning about
the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the handle seems a bit
"imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on the =
parade!









-----Original Message-----

From: Katherine Malm
[mailto:kmalm@earthlink.net]

Sent: Thursday, November =
21, 2002
3:04 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M






Hi Ian,









 









Just a quick note... re your comment "It =
is also
baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most =
from coming
increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are
watching this action from the sideline as well." =







 









I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've =
also noticed
that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues =
such
as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than =
I've
seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to =
me.









 









Katherine















----- Original Message =
----- 









From: Ian 











Sent: Thursday,
November 21, 2002 3:23 PM









Subject: [CANSLIM] =
M









 









Is anyone else finding any "NEW" =
winners
emerging from this buying frenzy?









 









It seems to me that several recent rally =
leaders
are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead,
propelled by the most heavily shorted =
isues.









 









It is also baffling to me that the sectors =
that stand
to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - =
the
defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline =
as
well.









 









So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, =
or is this
just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted =
positions?
Opinions? Whither 'M'?









 









Ian
























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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OT: What's with KLIC???
Date: 22 Nov 2002 18:42:50 -0800 (PST)

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Sorry, I should have put a "OT" in the subject. I was just curious since I hadn't seen any positive news for the stock or the sector.
 Tom Worley  wrote:Bob, when a stock loses over 90% of its value in less than a year, a dead cat bounce is common. And when you have gone from over $21 to under $2, any "rally" can show impressive returns for the short term period. On the other hand, after this 50% gain you mention, it can still triple, yet leave investors that bought earlier this year with a 15% loss. It has a non-standard fiscal year, ended September. And its Q4 was a disaster with over a $3 per share loss recorded. I would assume, since I will not bother with any research, that they wrote off a lot of stuff in that quarter. Still, forecasts are for losing another dollar during the current year, so doesn't meet any CANSLIM I know of, including its current Group RS of D minus. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Raible To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:35 PMSubject: [CANSLIM] What's with KLIC???

Up over 50% on high volume in two days, not long after a couple of downgrades. What gives? 
 Tom Worley  wrote: Hi Ian, With the Republicans in control, defense contractors will benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from boots to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once again Congress has failed to pass the required budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new Congress reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last year's budget, so little new spending will develop for some time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Hi Tom: I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks. I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out. Ian  ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Worley To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in my VR Fund. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PMSubject: [CANSLIM] M
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy? It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues. It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well. So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'? Ian

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Sorry, I should have put a "OT" in the subject. I was just curious since I hadn't seen any positive news for the stock or the sector.

 Tom Worley <stkguru@bellsouth.net> wrote:




Bob, when a stock loses over 90% of its value in less than a year, a dead cat bounce is common. And when you have gone from over $21 to under $2, any "rally" can show impressive returns for the short term period. On the other hand, after this 50% gain you mention, it can still triple, yet leave investors that bought earlier this year with a 15% loss.


 


It has a non-standard fiscal year, ended September. And its Q4 was a disaster with over a $3 per share loss recorded. I would assume, since I will not bother with any research, that they wrote off a lot of stuff in that quarter. Still, forecasts are for losing another dollar during the current year, so doesn't meet any CANSLIM I know of, including its current Group RS of D minus.


 


----- Original Message ----- 

From: Bob Raible 



Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:35 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] What's with KLIC???





Up over 50% on high volume in two days, not long after a couple of downgrades. What gives? 

 Tom Worley <stkguru@bellsouth.net> wrote: 






Hi Ian,


 


With the Republicans in control, defense contractors will benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from boots to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once again Congress has failed to pass the required budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new Congress reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last year's budget, so little new spending will develop for some time.


 


----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ian 



Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M





Hi Tom:


 


I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks.


 


I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out.


 


Ian


 


 




----- Original Message ----- 


From: Tom Worley 



Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M





Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in my VR Fund.


 


----- Original Message ----- 

From: Ian 



Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] M





Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?


 


It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.


 


It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.


 


So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?


 


Ian


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From: Fred Winkle 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] sector identification
Date: 22 Nov 2002 23:13:08 -0600

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Mike, with the use of HGSI,  I can send you a list of stock tickers by =
industry with one click (per industry) in EXCEL format of your favorite =
industry if you wish.... let me know which ones you want and I'll send =
them to you offline.

Gene
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: michael_niemotka@baxter.com=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:08 PM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] sector identification


  All,

  I have been starting to do some sector analysis, and was wondering if
  someone could point me to a website that would allow me to figure out =
what
  sector a particular company belongs in, and more importantly, if there =
is
  an index within that sector that the stock belongs to.

  I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, and am =
working
  backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but then =
wanting to
  use P&F sector charting to see the sector strength.

  Any ideas?

  Have a nice weekend

  Mike


  Mike Niemotka , PE
  Sr. Principal Engineer
  Baxter Healthcare Corporation
  Route 120 & Wilson Road
  Round Lake, IL 60073
  Tel (847) 270-4075
  Fax (847) 270-4525
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industry)=20
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which ones=20
you want and I'll send them to you offline.


 


Gene


  
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1:08=20
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Subject: [CANSLIM] sector=20
  identification

  

All,

I have been starting to do some sector =
analysis,=20
  and was wondering if
someone could point me to a website that would =
allow=20
  me to figure out what
sector a particular company belongs in, and =
more=20
  importantly, if there is
an index within that sector that the stock =
belongs=20
  to.

I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, =
and am=20
  working
backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but =
then=20
  wanting to
use P&F sector charting to see the sector=20
  strength.

Any ideas?

Have a nice=20
  weekend

Mike


Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. Principal=20
  Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson=20
  Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847) =
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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 23 Nov 2002 11:46:09 -0600

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Hi Eric,

Thanks once again for clearing up your definitions, as that was more =
than anything my main concern. I think it's common for folks to "see" =
the market differently when they are following different indicators and =
now that you've given more definition to your "X", it demonstrates that =
we don't necessarily view the market differently at its core, but are =
only focusing on different things when looking ahead.

A good example of that is the focus on stocks making new 52 week highs. =
I agree with you wholeheartedly that in a robust market, there is a =
consistently growing list of high quality stocks showing up. I also =
agree that one useful way of viewing the health of a recent FTD is to =
track the number of stocks breaking out from sound bases and rising =
>=3D20% in a few weeks (that's a personal measure I use, though I don't =
know if it matches your "X" definition).

I am in agreement with you that the current rally has a lot of negatives =
going for it, all of which you've so clearly laid out in your previous =
emails. On the other hand, I think focusing on the underlying setups and =
*potential* leadership is important as well. In other words, I also =
measure the strength of a rally by looking at CANSLIM quality stocks =
making new 60 day highs, setting up in sound bases, etc. I also feel =
that after a long downward trending market that you're more likely to =
find stocks setting up as bottoming bases that reverse downtrends than =
you are to find bases setting up after strong and lengthy uptrends. I =
also think that the extension of this phenomenon is that you'll see =
stocks breaking out from bases when their RSRank is a non-laggard 70 and =
above. (Even in HTMMIS, WON explains the misuse of high RS's for stock =
selection.) This is supported by studies in the market place that show =
that stocks/industries that do well over the previous 2 year period have =
a low probability of doing well during the next 2 year period, and by =
comments made by WON himself in articles such as his recent "Ask Bill" =
column. **

All in all, I'd say that we agree that the current rally has a lot of =
reasons that it could fail, and watching for continued evidence that =
high quality stocks can set up and make a good strong run will be =
critical. I'd also agree with you that keeping long positions on a short =
leash is also important as we go forward. On the other hand, I have to =
agree with Ed Gjertsen's point of view that this rally could have enough =
oomph behind it to power up for 3-6 months. (I'm paraphrasing Ed's =
comments) The problem with being overly skeptical and not taking long =
trades in good quality stocks when they set up is that the majority of =
the gains to be had in a rally are off positions taken early in the =
rally. Too skeptical and 5 or 6 months go by before one is willing to =
take a trade and...phoot...before you know it, it could be over. That's =
opportunity cost that has a high price tag in my mind.

Katherine

**Ask Bill O'Neil
Wednesday, November  20, 2002=20

=20

It's been suggested that we keep an eye on stocks that have performed =
well during this bear market, but avoid those that have doubled or more. =
What's the difference between these two types of stocks?=20

=20

- Submitted from Minneapolis, Minn.=20

=20

=20

The distinction is not as simple as that. In the current environment, =
stocks that have had big moves over the past year or two have been =
getting hit by selling as they try to emerge from their bases. This is =
because they are often in late-stage, obvious bases, and because most =
money managers are inclined to take profits as stocks move into new high =
ground in a weak overall market environment. It is better to look for =
stocks that are acting well and forming proper bases that have not had a =
big run, given the current environment. For help with late-stage bases, =
read an article on the subject in the Investor's Corner Archives.=20


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Eric Jaenike=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


  I don't think I did a good job of explaining myself.=20

  I am, in essence, comparing a narrow class of stocks defined by "X" =
characteristics for this rally with the same class of stocks defined by =
"X" characteristics from previous rallies/"true" bull runs to gain some =
insight as to the durability of the rally, and its underlying quality. =
One characteristic in "X" is that the stock has to be at a new or =
multiyear high.=20

  Now, I am not saying that leadership for a run comes only from stocks =
at new or multiyear highs. What I am doing is simply looking at stocks =
that meet that definition, and drawing inferences from the size, =
concentration, and breadth of that list. Thus, stocks such as EBAY and =
SFNT are not included in that list. FRX would be. My list of stocks I =
gave was not meant to be taken as the totality of stocks on that "well" =
list, just as examples of those stocks.=20

  Another characteristic in "X" is that it has to have broken out and =
run well after the breakout point. Thus, stocks such as MNTR and WFMI =
are not on my list because they just recently broke out, and have not =
yet proven that they have run well. Does that mean that they are not =
potential leaders? No. Does it mean they shouldn't have been purchased =
on the breakout? Certainly not. Does it mean they don't meet the =
definitions of "X"? Yes.=20

  Finally, the stocks need to have run strongly. Again, all I am doing =
is looking at the "best of the best", and getting a feel for that group. =
For example, take BLUD. It broke out of its recent range at around 19. =
As of close yesterday, it was at 21, for a gain of about 10% in just =
under 7 weeks. Not bad, but at the same time, the S&P has run about 20%. =
The situation is similar with IGT. It broke out about 5 weeks ago, has =
run from 70/71 to about 79. Not bad, but somewhat less impressive when =
compared to the runs in the indices. So would I consider BLUD and IGT to =
be great stocks in this run? Tough call. I think it is a little gray.=20

  Finally, and this time I mean it, there are lots of other stocks that =
are forming solid bases, but which have not yet broken out. Those are =
all potential leaders. However, they received no mention in my email =
because they didn't meet the definition of "X".=20

  I am using this narrow study as one of many things I look at to get a =
feel for what's happening. A more comprehensive and insightful study =
would be to expand the definition of "X" to include these other types of =
stocks. I think that would be of much more value than the restricted =
definition of "X" that I used. However, that is not what I did.=20

  When I look at this run, I see a 7ish week rally that has run 20-30% =
on the general indices, that has seen a 70% run in the SOX, and a skew =
in terms of participation that is too heavily weighted towards =
speculative and beaten down tech relative to new leadership.=20

  I see weak participation by retailers (some smaller, niche stocks =
(TSCO CHS JOSB PETM ROST KSWS CENT SHRP (until recently) AZO CPWM) have =
done well, but retail is a very large category, and will always have =
some shops doing well, so I don't consider their moves taken in =
isolation to be indicative of a strong consumer. WMTs weak same store =
sales numbers bother me a lot. The consumer has been exploiting cash out =
refis aggressively as well, which has been boosting retail spending. =
Ex-refis, I think retail would be materially weaker. I consider this a =
negative in evaluating the health of this rally.=20

  I see weakness in the homebuilders, which I find troubling. I find the =
recent participation of highly speculative tech stocks disconcerting. I =
also find the bull/bear %, as well as the 30 day put/call moving =
average, 30 day ma of a/d on the NYSE, and the NYSE up vol. as a % of =
total volume indicative of a looming top. (A bit off topic, I know). =
There are a lot of other things I'm looking at as well that make me =
uncomfortable with the current rally.=20

  So, in sum, when I look at all these things, and look at the current =
state of leadership considering we've had a substantial run, I lean more =
towards a cautious stance toward this rally at this point than an =
aggressive one.=20

  Hope that helps.=20

  Eric=20

  =20

   Katherine Malm  wrote:=20

    Thanks for the clarification, Eric. If I understand you correctly, =
then, you are insisting on perfect charts and strong moves since the =
breakouts before considering something for inclusion on your list. What =
is still not clear to me, however, is how you select a stock for =
consideration as a CANSLIM stock when making your leader board.

    If I look at action since the market bottom, I find 263 stocks that =
have shown relative outperformance to the S&P (Price>=3D6, =
AvgVol>=3D30000, forward growth rate>=3D15--that's just a simple way of =
identifying "growth" stocks). Granted, not all of them would pass all =
the CANSLIM fundamental tests and not all of them have yet staged =
breakouts, but that's a fairly substantial list of stocks acting well in =
my mind (The average gain in these stocks off the 10/10 bottom is 45%). =
I wondered why you wouldn't have mentioned stocks such as INFY, MNTR, =
SFNT, FRX, OVTI, WFMI, VIP, BLUD, ICUI, SYK, EBAY, IGT, SCSC, or PNRA. =
That's a small sampling of stocks with decent (though not perfect) =
charts off the list of 263 that are doing well, so not a complete list =
of "stocks doing well" in my mind.

    I believe that after such a strong downtrend, that we're not going =
to find perfection in all aspects, either fundamental or technical, but =
certainly if one weighs the preponderance of evidence on a list such as =
this, there's a lot of emerging leadership. Granted, the moves are =
subtle, as they are not en masse as with the Fall's homebuilder's move =
you mentioned, but in a new Bull market (cyclical though it may be), the =
new leaders will emerge one by one from various industries. Only when =
and if a strong Bull ensues will we see strong group moves and stong =
breakout moves one after the other. In the nascent stages, I think it's =
actually encouraging that the emerging leaders are quietly gaining =
strength, unknown to the general public. I also think that it's healthy =
that money is not rushing headlong into  former leaders as it did in so =
many of the previous bear rallies and that it's not a "bad thing" that =
money might be flowing to some beaten down quality stocks. I think WON =
states that about 14% of "former winners" will actually have what it =
takes to make a fresh run in a new Bull market.

    Katherine
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Eric Jaenike=20
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:44 AM
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


      In saying "well", I am referring to "well" relative to the move in =
the indices as well as relative to the universe of canslim stocks that =
have broken out, i.e. the best of the breakouts.=20

      In a bull run, you're going to see lots of breakouts. Some of =
those breakouts will work "well", in that they have strong price =
appreciation, tepid pullbacks, etc. In other words, really strong =
canslim breakouts. Others will work fine, in that they hold above their =
breakouts, move up, etc, but don't act as well as the former category.=20

      For the purposes of the post, I was using "well" to mean this best =
of the best group. So, for example, TSCO has acted OK, in that its above =
its breakout, etc, but it hasn't acted "well" in that it dropped below =
its pivot (albiet slightly), and there have been some p/v yellow flags, =
etc.=20

      Also for the purposes of the discussion, I am excluding stocks =
like UNTD, which I believe is the combo of the old Netzero and Juno. =
While it certainly is a canslim/turnaround type stock, I am excluding it =
from the list, because I excluded that type of stock from the previous =
runs' lists, and I want to be consistent across comparisons. That is not =
to say it is not a playable stock, but merely that for comparison =
purposes, I don't want to include it.=20

      In sum, for the move we've had in the indices, the doing "well" =
list, which I take as a barometer of market health, seems awfully thin. =
The point I was trying to make is simply that the market in general is =
not as strong as the move in the indices would indicate.=20

      Hope that provides some clarity.=20

      Eric=20


       Katherine Malm  wrote:=20

        Hi Eric,

        A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are =
"working" that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* =
been working and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your =
list. When you look at market health, how are you defining the =
candidates you consider to be CANSLIM stocks?

        Katherine

        ----- Original Message -----=20
          From: Eric Jaenike=20
          To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
          Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:02 PM
          Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


          I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices =
make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that =
people are questioning whether it is real or not says something.=20

          Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the =
playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market =
along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, =
I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up =
32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long =
way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are =
now above 50% bulls.=20

          I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and =
really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS =
IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of =
course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I =
am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with =
the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc.=20

          It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the =
leadership in this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices =
would have us believe.=20

          Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative =
dogs, such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I =
consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old.=20

          As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's =
4Q. I think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close =
attention to my longs.=20

          Eric=20


          =20

              ----- Original Message -----=20
              From: Katherine Malm=20
              To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
              Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PM
              Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


              Hi Ian,

              Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling =
to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming =
increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are =
watching this action from the sideline as well."=20

              I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed =
that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues =
such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts =
than I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising =
to me.

              Katherine
                ----- Original Message -----=20
                From: Ian=20
                To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
                Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
                Subject: [CANSLIM] M


                Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from =
this buying frenzy?

                It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are =
rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power =
ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

                It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to =
benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the =
defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline =
as well.

                So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this =
just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted =
positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

                Ian



          Eric Jaenike
          President
          Vector Investment Management
          303-300-2961
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Hi Eric,


 


Thanks once again for clearing up your definitions, as that was =
more than=20
anything my main concern. I think it's common for folks to "see" the =
market=20
differently when they are following different indicators and now that =
you've=20
given more definition to your "X", it demonstrates that we don't =
necessarily=20
view the market differently at its core, but are only focusing on =
different=20
things when looking ahead.


 


A good example of that is the focus on stocks making new 52 week =
highs. I=20
agree with you wholeheartedly that in a robust market, there is a =
consistently=20
growing list of high quality stocks showing up. I also agree that one =
useful way=20
of viewing the health of a recent FTD is to track the number of stocks =
breaking=20
out from sound bases and rising >=3D20% in a few weeks (that's a =
personal=20
measure I use, though I don't know if it matches your "X" =
definition).


 


I am in agreement with you that the current rally has a lot of =
negatives=20
going for it, all of which you've so clearly laid out in your previous =
emails.=20
On the other hand, I think focusing on the underlying setups and =
*potential*=20
leadership is important as well. In other words, I also measure the =
strength of=20
a rally by looking at CANSLIM quality stocks making new 60 day highs, =
setting up=20
in sound bases, etc. I also feel that after a long downward trending =
market that=20
you're more likely to find stocks setting up as bottoming bases that =
reverse=20
downtrends than you are to find bases setting up after strong and =
lengthy=20
uptrends. I also think that the extension of this phenomenon is that =
you'll see=20
stocks breaking out from bases when their RSRank is a non-laggard 70 and =
above.=20
(Even in HTMMIS, WON explains the misuse of high RS's for stock=20
selection.) This is supported by studies in the market place that =
show that=20
stocks/industries that do well over the previous 2 year period have a =
low=20
probability of doing well during the next 2 year period, and by comments =
made=20
by WON himself in articles such as his recent "Ask Bill"=20
column. **


 


All in all, I'd say that we agree that the current rally has a lot =
of=20
reasons that it could fail, and watching for continued evidence that =
high=20
quality stocks can set up and make a good strong run will be critical. =
I'd also=20
agree with you that keeping long positions on a short leash is also =
important as=20
we go forward. On the other hand, I have to agree with Ed Gjertsen's =
point of=20
view that this rally could have enough oomph behind it to power up for =
3-6=20
months. (I'm paraphrasing Ed's comments) The problem with being =
overly=20
skeptical and not taking long trades in good quality stocks when they =
set up is=20
that the majority of the gains to be had in a rally are off positions =
taken=20
early in the rally. Too skeptical and 5 or 6 months go by before one is =
willing=20
to take a trade and...phoot...before you know it, it could be over. =
That's=20
opportunity cost that has a high price tag in my mind.


 


Katherine


 


**Ask Bill O'Neil




Wednesday, November =20
20, 2002 


 


It's been suggested that we keep an eye on stocks =
that have=20
performed well during this bear market, but avoid those that have =
doubled or=20
more. What's the difference between these two types of stocks?=20



 


- Submitted from Minneapolis, Minn.=20



 


 


The distinction is not as simple as that. In the =
current=20
environment, stocks that have had big moves over the past year or two =
have been=20
getting hit by selling as they try to emerge from their bases. This is =
because=20
they are often in late-stage, obvious bases, and because most money =
managers are=20
inclined to take profits as stocks move into new high ground in a weak =
overall=20
market environment. It is better to look for stocks that are acting well =
and=20
forming proper bases that have not had a big run, given the current =
environment.=20
For help with late-stage bases, read an article on the subject in the =
Investor's=20
Corner Archives. 


 


  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Eric=20
  Jaenike 
  
  
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 =
12:35=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

  


  
I don't think I did a good job of explaining myself.=20
  
I am, in essence, comparing a narrow class of stocks defined by "X" =

  characteristics for this rally with the same class of stocks defined =
by "X"=20
  characteristics from previous rallies/"true" bull runs to gain some =
insight as=20
  to the durability of the rally, and its underlying quality. One =
characteristic=20
  in "X" is that the stock has to be at a new or multiyear high.=20
  
Now, I am not saying that leadership for a run comes only from =
stocks at=20
  new or multiyear highs. What I am doing is simply looking at stocks =
that meet=20
  that definition, and drawing inferences from the size, concentration, =
and=20
  breadth of that list. Thus, stocks such as EBAY and SFNT are not =
included in=20
  that list. FRX would be. My list of stocks I gave was not meant =
to be=20
  taken as the totality of stocks on that "well" list, just as examples =
of those=20
  stocks.=20
  
Another characteristic in "X" is that it has to have broken out and =
run=20
  well after the breakout point. Thus, stocks such as MNTR and WFMI are =
not on=20
  my list because they just recently broke out, and have not yet proven =
that=20
  they have run well. Does that mean that they are not potential =
leaders? No.=20
  Does it mean they shouldn't have been purchased on the breakout? =
Certainly=20
  not. Does it mean they don't meet the definitions of "X"? Yes.=20
  
Finally, the stocks need to have run strongly. Again, all I am =
doing is=20
  looking at the "best of the best", and getting a feel for that group. =
For=20
  example, take BLUD. It broke out of its recent range at around 19. As =
of close=20
  yesterday, it was at 21, for a gain of about 10% in just =
under 7=20
  weeks. Not bad, but at the same time, the S&P has run about 20%. =
The=20
  situation is similar with IGT. It broke out about 5 weeks ago, has run =
from=20
  70/71 to about 79. Not bad, but somewhat less impressive when compared =
to the=20
  runs in the indices. So would I consider BLUD and IGT to be great =
stocks in=20
  this run? Tough call. I think it is a little gray.=20
  
Finally, and this time I mean it, there are lots of other stocks =
that are=20
  forming solid bases, but which have not yet broken out. Those are all=20
  potential leaders. However, they received no mention in my email =
because they=20
  didn't meet the definition of "X".=20
  
I am using this narrow study as one of many things I look at to get =
a feel=20
  for what's happening. A more comprehensive and insightful study would =
be to=20
  expand the definition of "X" to include these other types of stocks. I =
think=20
  that would be of much more value than the restricted definition of "X" =
that I=20
  used. However, that is not what I did.=20
  
When I look at this run, I see a 7ish week rally that has run =
20-30% on the=20
  general indices, that has seen a 70% run in the SOX, and a skew in =
terms of=20
  participation that is too heavily weighted towards speculative and =
beaten down=20
  tech relative to new leadership.=20
  
I see weak participation by retailers (some smaller, niche stocks =
(TSCO CHS=20
  JOSB PETM ROST KSWS CENT SHRP (until recently) AZO CPWM) have done =
well, but=20
  retail is a very large category, and will always have some shops doing =
well,=20
  so I don't consider their moves taken in isolation to be indicative of =
a=20
  strong consumer. WMTs weak same store sales numbers bother me a lot. =
The=20
  consumer has been exploiting cash out refis aggressively as well, =
which has=20
  been boosting retail spending. Ex-refis, I think retail would be =
materially=20
  weaker. I consider this a negative in evaluating the health of this =
rally.=20
  
I see weakness in the homebuilders, which I find troubling. I find =
the=20
  recent participation of highly speculative tech stocks disconcerting. =
I also=20
  find the bull/bear %, as well as the 30 day put/call moving average, =
30 day ma=20
  of a/d on the NYSE, and the NYSE up vol. as a % of total volume =
indicative of=20
  a looming top. (A bit off topic, I know). There are a lot of other =
things I'm=20
  looking at as well that make me uncomfortable with the current rally.=20
  
So, in sum, when I look at all these things, and look at the =
current state=20
  of leadership considering we've had a substantial run, I lean more =
towards a=20
  cautious stance toward this rally at this point than an aggressive =
one.=20
  
Hope that helps.=20
  
Eric=20
  
=20
  
 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> =
wrote:=20
  
    
    
Thanks for the clarification, Eric. If I understand you =
correctly,=20
    then, you are insisting on perfect charts and strong moves since the =

    breakouts before considering something for inclusion on your list. =
What is=20
    still not clear to me, however, is how you select a stock for =
consideration=20
    as a CANSLIM stock when making your leader board.

    
 

    
If I look at action since the market bottom, I find 263 stocks =
that=20
    have shown relative outperformance to the S&P (Price>=3D6,=20
    AvgVol>=3D30000, forward growth rate>=3D15--that's just a =
simple way of=20
    identifying "growth" stocks). Granted, not all of them would pass =
all the=20
    CANSLIM fundamental tests and not all of them have yet staged =
breakouts, but=20
    that's a fairly substantial list of stocks acting well in my mind =
(The=20
    average gain in these stocks off the 10/10 bottom is 45%). I =
wondered why=20
    you wouldn't have mentioned stocks such as INFY, MNTR, SFNT, FRX, =
OVTI,=20
    WFMI, VIP, BLUD, ICUI, SYK, EBAY, IGT, SCSC, or PNRA. That's a small =

    sampling of stocks with decent (though not perfect) charts off =
the list=20
    of 263 that are doing well, so not a complete list of "stocks doing =
well" in=20
    my mind.

    
 

    
I believe that after such a strong downtrend, that we're not =
going to=20
    find perfection in all aspects, either fundamental or technical, but =

    certainly if one weighs the preponderance of evidence on a list such =
as=20
    this, there's a lot of emerging leadership. Granted, the moves are =
subtle,=20
    as they are not en masse as with the Fall's homebuilder's move you=20
    mentioned, but in a new Bull market (cyclical though it may be), the =
new=20
    leaders will emerge one by one from various industries. Only when =
and if a=20
    strong Bull ensues will we see strong group moves and stong breakout =
moves=20
    one after the other. In the nascent stages, I think it's actually=20
    encouraging that the emerging leaders are quietly gaining strength, =
unknown=20
    to the general public. I also think that it's healthy that money is =
not=20
    rushing headlong into  former leaders as it did in so many of =
the=20
    previous bear rallies and that it's not a "bad thing" that money =
might be=20
    flowing to some beaten down quality stocks. I think WON states that =
about=20
    14% of "former winners" will actually have what it takes to make a =
fresh run=20
    in a new Bull market.

    
 

    
Katherine

    
      
----- Original Message ----- =


      From:=20
      Eric=20
      Jaenike 
      
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
      

      
Sent: Friday, November 22, =
2002 9:44=20
      AM

      
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M

      


      
In saying "well", I am referring to "well" relative to the move =
in the=20
      indices as well as relative to the universe of canslim stocks that =
have=20
      broken out, i.e. the best of the breakouts.=20
      
In a bull run, you're going to see lots of breakouts. Some of =
those=20
      breakouts will work "well", in that they have strong price =
appreciation,=20
      tepid pullbacks, etc. In other words, really strong canslim =
breakouts.=20
      Others will work fine, in that they hold above their breakouts, =
move up,=20
      etc, but don't act as well as the former category.=20
      
For the purposes of the post, I was using "well" to mean this =
best of=20
      the best group. So, for example, TSCO has acted OK, in that its =
above its=20
      breakout, etc, but it hasn't acted "well" in that it dropped =
below=20
      its pivot (albiet slightly), and there have been some p/v yellow =
flags,=20
      etc.=20
      
Also for the purposes of the discussion, I am excluding stocks =
like=20
      UNTD, which I believe is the combo of the old Netzero and Juno. =
While it=20
      certainly is a canslim/turnaround type stock, I am excluding it =
from the=20
      list, because I excluded that type of stock from the previous =
runs' lists,=20
      and I want to be consistent across comparisons. That is not to say =
it=20
      is not a playable stock, but merely that for comparison =
purposes, I=20
      don't want to include it.=20
      
In sum, for the move we've had in the indices, the doing "well" =
list,=20
      which I take as a barometer of market health, seems awfully thin. =
The=20
      point I was trying to make is simply that the market in general is =
not as=20
      strong as the move in the indices would indicate.=20
      
Hope that provides some clarity.=20
      
Eric=20
      

      
 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> =
wrote:=20
      
        
        
Hi Eric,

        
 

        
A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that =
are=20
        "working" that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks =
that *have*=20
        been working and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing =
from your=20
        list. When you look at market health, how are you defining the=20
        candidates you consider to be CANSLIM stocks?

        
 

        
Katherine

        
 

        
----- Original Message ----- 

        
          From:=20
          Eric Jaenike 
          
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
          

          
Sent: Thursday, =
November 21, 2002=20
          4:02 PM

          
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M

          


          
I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices =
make it=20
          appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact =
that people=20
          are questioning whether it is real or not says something.=20
          
Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, =
the=20
          playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling =
the market=20
          along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in =
the=20
          market, I think a true bull run would display much better =
leadership.=20
          We are up 32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the =
S&P.=20
          That is a long way to go without clear, assertive leadership. =
Consider=20
          also that we are now above 50% bulls.=20
          
I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out =
and really=20
          performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS =
IGT=20
          PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There =
are, of=20
          course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this =
discussion,=20
          I am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). =
Contrast=20
          these with the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, =
LRCX,=20
          QLGC, etc.=20
          
It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the =
leadership in=20
          this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices =
would have=20
          us believe.=20
          
Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative =
dogs,=20
          such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD =
TIVO. I=20
          consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old.=20
          
As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last =
year's 4Q. I=20
          think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close =
attention to=20
          my longs.=20
          
Eric=20
          

          
 
          
            

              
----- Original Message =
----- 

              From:=20
              Katherine Malm =

              
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
              

              
Sent: Thursday, =
November 21,=20
              2002 2:04 PM

              
Subject: Re: =
[CANSLIM]=20
M

              


              
Hi Ian,

              
 

              
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also =
baffling to=20
              me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most=20
              from coming increases in government spending - the =
defense=20
              and security sector - are watching this action from the =
sideline=20
              as well."=20
              
 

              
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also =
noticed that=20
              money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven =
defensive=20
              issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I =
see far=20
              more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all =
together,=20
              still looks promising to me.

              
 

              
Katherine

              

                
----- Original Message =
-----=20


                From:=20
                Ian=20
                
                
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
                

                
Sent: Thursday, =
November=20
                21, 2002 3:23 PM

                
Subject: =
[CANSLIM] M

                


                
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" =
winners=20
                emerging from this buying frenzy?

                
 

                
It seems to me that several =
recent rally=20
                leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - =
while=20
                the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily =
shorted=20
                isues.

                
 

                
It is also baffling to me that the =
sectors=20
                that stand to benefit the most from coming =
increases in=20
                government spending - the defense and security sector - =
are=20
                watching this action from the sideline as =
well.

                
 

                
So am I mising the new leaders of =
the bull, or=20
                is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to =
squeeze=20
                heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither =
'M'?

                
 

                
Ian



          
Eric Jaenike

          
President

          
Vector Investment Management

          =

303-300-2961
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From: "Winston Little" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 23 Nov 2002 12:58:31 -0500

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Two points:

1. He who sells what is'nt hisn'
Must buy it back or go to prison.

2. NEVER short a dull market!
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gene Ricci=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 3:16 PM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] Shorting


  I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local user =
group and want to start with an outline. I would really appreciate your =
inputs on the minimum concepts that an investor must know before adding =
shorting to their bag of tricks?

  Thanks in advance,
  Gene



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Two points:


 


1. He who sells what is'nt hisn'


Must buy it back or go to prison.


 


2. NEVER short a dull market!



  
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  Gene =
Ricci 
  
  
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 =
3:16=20
  PM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting

  


  
I'm trying to develop a training =
module on=20
  shorting for our local user group and want to start with an outline. I =
would=20
  really appreciate your inputs on the minimum concepts that an =
investor=20
  must know before adding shorting to their bag of tricks?

Thanks =
in=20
  advance,
Gene



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From: Gene Ricci 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 23 Nov 2002 13:29:52 -0600

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Winston/Tom/Patrick/David/Curt

Thanks for your inputs,

Gene
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Winston Little=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting


  Two points:

  1. He who sells what is'nt hisn'
  Must buy it back or go to prison.

  2. NEVER short a dull market!
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Gene Ricci=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 3:16 PM
    Subject: [CANSLIM] Shorting


    I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local =
user group and want to start with an outline. I would really appreciate =
your inputs on the minimum concepts that an investor must know before =
adding shorting to their bag of tricks?

    Thanks in advance,
    Gene


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Winston/Tom/Patrick/David/Curt


 


Thanks for your inputs,


 


Gene



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Winston=20
  Little 
  
  
Sent: Saturday, November 23, =
2002 11:58=20
  AM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting

  


  
Two points:

  
 

  
1. He who sells what is'nt hisn'

  
Must buy it back or go to prison.

  
 

  
2. NEVER short a dull market!

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    Gene =
Ricci 
    
    
Sent: Friday, November 22, =
2002 3:16=20
    PM

    
Subject: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting

    


    
I'm trying to develop a training =
module on=20
    shorting for our local user group and want to start with an outline. =
I would=20
    really appreciate your inputs on the minimum concepts that an =
investor=20
    must know before adding shorting to their bag of =
tricks?

Thanks in=20
    =
advance,
Gene



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From: Vanchee1@aol.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] NXTL, SXT
Date: 23 Nov 2002 17:14:24 EST

Looking for a little feed back, but heres my thoughts, thinking about buying 
these two Mon.
SXT 84/90 BAA, I like the chart, not too extended at this point. Volume has 
been slightly higher but not real great. Earning are good and they have been 
buying smaller companies that will provide some synergies. I know there are 
47 mil shares outstanding but do not know what the float is, if anyone has a 
link to where I can find the float on different companies please post, 
thanks.

NXTL 80/99 ADA, chart also looks good, earnings are getting better, and the 
company is doing a good job of paying down dept.

Any feed back is appreciated.

Thanks Chris

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From: "NANCY POLCARO" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] NXTL, SXT
Date: 23 Nov 2002 17:14:09 -0800


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If you go to msn.com toward bottom of page shows stock info. Put in your =
stock symbol and it will bring up a quote page. In the left hand column n=
ear the bottom you can click on ownership and it will go to a page with a=
 drop menu, this menu shows  Funds, institutions, 5% ownership. Above tha=
t will show float. Hope this is what you want. =20
 =20
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Looking for a little feed back, but heres my thoughts, thinking about buy=
ing =20
these two Mon.
SXT 84/90 BAA, I like the chart, not too extended at this point. Volume h=
as =20
been slightly higher but not real great. Earning are good and they have b=
een =20
buying smaller companies that will provide some synergies. I know there a=
re =20
47 mil shares outstanding but do not know what the float is, if anyone ha=
s a =20
link to where I can find the float on different companies please post, =20
thanks.

NXTL 80/99 ADA, chart also looks good, earnings are getting better, and t=
he =20
company is doing a good job of paying down dept.

Any feed back is appreciated.

Thanks Chris

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nd it will bring up a quote page. In the left hand column near the bottom=
 you can click on ownership and it will go to a page with a drop menu, th=
is menu shows  Funds, institutions, 5% ownership. Above th=
at will show float. Hope this is what you want. 
 
 
 =

 
----- Original Message -----
 
From: Vanchee1@aol.co=
m
 
Sent: Saturday, November 2=
3, 2002 2:15 PM
 
To: canslim@=
lists.xmission.com
 
Subject: =
[CANSLIM] NXTL, SXT
 
 
Looking for a little feed back=
, but heres my thoughts, thinking about buying 
these two Mon.
SXT =
84/90 BAA, I like the chart, not too extended at this point. Volume has <=
BR>been slightly higher but not real great. Earning are good and they hav=
e been 
buying smaller companies that will provide some synergies. I k=
now there are 
47 mil shares outstanding but do not know what the floa=
t is, if anyone has a 
link to where I can find the float on different=
 companies please post, 
thanks.

NXTL 80/99 ADA, chart also loo=
ks good, earnings are getting better, and the 
company is doing a good=
 job of paying down dept.

Any feed back is appreciated.

Tha=
nks Chris

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From: Spencer48@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 23 Nov 2002 20:33:54 EST

Edward:

     What gives me pause about the near future strength of the market is=20
this:  The Investor's Intelligence Bullish Advisors are at 50%; the Bearish=20
Advisors are below 30%.  These %s are very near bearish levels (based on pas=
t=20
experience with the percentages).  This indicator, by the way, is in a=20
graphic at the bottom of The Big Picture page in IBD. =20

     Also, all the indexes on the page are near a falling or leveling 200 da=
y=20
MA. =20

jans



In a message dated 11/21/2002 4:27:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
ed@macktracks.com writes:

<< We have found this recent rise to be of great interest.  What we found
 over the prior 34 months that when we bought leaders and were then
 forced to sell - the next time any opportunities came to buy again was
 at least 2-4 months later.  This last time around =E2=80=93 it was 4 weeks.
 This meant, in our opinion, that sellers were losing control.  We are
 now approximately 30% invested and climbing.  During a CANSLIM seminar
 with WON, one thing has stood out at us.  WON mentioned that there are
 very, very few perfect CANSLIM candidates.  We try to use weight of the
 evidence.  This is not a pick and chose rule, but if things are not
 perfect, what would tip the scales for us to purchase.  One big item
 which I hope starts its own life as a thread is position sizing.  We
 began purchasing =C2=BD positions to place a toe in the water.  As stocks
 came under some pressure, we then added to positions at key technical
 points.  We believe last Friday was a turning point for the markets.  On
 the weekly television/internet show I participate in, I mentioned how
 well the market reacted to negative news.  Intel downgrade, bad economic
 numbers, etc.  The Michigan consumer sentiment provided a boost, but the
 market did not buckle to all the bad news, very impressive.  Our firm
 held client seminars on September 18 and 21st titled the =E2=80=9CEnd is Ne=
ar=E2=80=9D.
 This was the first time since Oct =E2=80=9999 that we have been positive on=
 the
 market.  The name of the seminar was an attention getter, but the
 message was clear.  We believe, as we do today, that there is a cyclical
 (short-term, 3-6 month) opportunity here to make some money in the
 market.  We are still in a secular bear market until we are proven
 otherwise.  But in the meantime, we are buying.  As always, I am very
 impressed with the depth of knowledge this group brings to the table.
 As this market heats up, I look forward to reading all your comments.
=20
 =20
=20
 Ed Gjertsen II
  >>

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From: "rolf hertenstein" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 23 Nov 2002 18:47:30 -0700

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OK, I give up.  How do you define a "dull" market?

Thanks!
 Rolf
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Winston Little=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting


  Two points:

  1. He who sells what is'nt hisn'
  Must buy it back or go to prison.

  2. NEVER short a dull market!
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Gene Ricci=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 3:16 PM
    Subject: [CANSLIM] Shorting


    I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local =
user group and want to start with an outline. I would really appreciate =
your inputs on the minimum concepts that an investor must know before =
adding shorting to their bag of tricks?

    Thanks in advance,
    Gene



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OK, I give up.  How do you define =
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Thanks!


 Rolf



  
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting

  


  
Two points:

  
 

  
1. He who sells what is'nt hisn'

  
Must buy it back or go to prison.

  
 

  
2. NEVER short a dull market!

  

    
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WGO
Date: 23 Nov 2002 19:51:02 -0500


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> Karen -
>
> I agree with Tom in that I'm not too worried about a big
> bump in gas prices. Two main reasons...
> 1) Oil expenditures are only 3.5% of GDP as compared to 8%
> during the '73 shock.
> 2) Even though oil imports are up a third from '73, we're now
> spreading the wealth much wider (Mexico, Russia, Venezuala, etc.)
> We're only getting 10% of total domestic consumption from the
> area slated to be affected by a Gulf war.
>
> Even if there's a brief spike (which I doubt), even if exacerbated
> by successful terrorist action against pipelines or other logistics,
> I can't see it lasting long enough to hold any real implications
> for prices. Especially with the proclivity of the feds to bleed
> the reserve at the slightest sign of squawking from the gas
> guzzlers...
>
> [start soapbox]
>
> Now... that having been said, the economist in me would at times
> like to see gas prices better reflect the real costs of consumption,
> as I'm a firm believer in the importance of "price" to reguluate the
> demand side of "price equilibrium."
>
> Living in a state that's running a $10B deficit and can't seem
> to find enough money to fix potholes even with one of the highest
> state tax rates and and a top 10 global economy, the complete lack
> of willingness to carry total costs of consumption through to
> the consumer (either by letting prices at least rise with inflation
> or use of a consumption tax with funds strictly earmarked to offset
> related costs) gives me a headache. But I guess there are just
> too many d@mn trial attorneys driving around in Escalades for
> that to ever happen.....  ;-)
>
> [end soapbox!!!!]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Karen White
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 4:28 AM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] WGO
>
>
> Hi Robin- I too have been looking at some RV stocks and my concern has
been
> - War = higher gas prices= Stock drops with little warning.....your take
on
> that? Karen
>
> At 09:12 PM 11/17/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >I've been looking at WGO...
> >
> >Even though it shows a Cw/H, am I correct in being
> >worried about the $48 support level that's been set
> >almost three times while forming the cup ($48.05,
> >$48.60 and the pivot @ $49) I am guessing I should
> >look for VERY strong volume on the BO before
> >committing in order to break through and hold above
> >these support levels???
> >
> >Thx!
> >
> >Robin
> >
> >
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Date: 23 Nov 2002 19:50:57 -0500

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  From: Bob Raible 
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:35 PM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] What's with KLIC???


  Up over 50% on high volume in two days, not long after a couple of downgrades. What gives? 

   Tom Worley  wrote: 

    Hi Ian,

    With the Republicans in control, defense contractors will benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from boots to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once again Congress has failed to pass the required budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new Congress reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last year's budget, so little new spending will develop for some time.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Ian 
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
    Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


    Hi Tom:

    I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks.

    I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out.

    Ian


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Tom Worley 
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
      Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PM
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


      Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in my VR Fund.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ian 
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
      Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM
      Subject: [CANSLIM] M


      Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?

      It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

      It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

      So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

      Ian


  Bob Raible
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----- Original Message ----- 

  
From: 
  Bob Raible 
  

  
  
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:35 
  PM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] What's with 
  KLIC???

  


  
Up over 50% on high volume in two days, not long after a couple of 
  downgrades. What gives? 
  
 Tom Worley <stkguru@bellsouth.net> 
  wrote: 
  

    
    

    
Hi Ian,

    
 

    
With the Republicans in control, defense contractors 
    will benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, 
    from boots to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will 
    be among technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart 
    bombs, cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as 
    anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The 
    reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency 
    will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once again Congress 
    has failed to pass the required budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to 
    do so until after the new Congress reconvenes in January. So most agencies 
    are still operating on last year's budget, so little new spending will 
    develop for some time.

    
 

    
----- Original Message ----- 
    
From: Ian 

    
    
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

    


    
Hi Tom:

    
 

    
I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related 
    security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, 
    PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was 
    reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks.

    
 

    
I was thinking of small companies that are going to 
    benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little 
    early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out.

    
 

    
Ian

    
 

    
 

    

      
----- Original Message ----- 

      
From: 
      Tom 
      Worley 

      
      
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 
      8:52 PM

      
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

      


      
Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as 
      did my IT stocks in my VR Fund.

      
 

      
----- Original Message ----- 
      
From: Ian 

      
      
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM

      
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

      


      
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from 
      this buying frenzy?

      
 

      
It seems to me that several recent rally leaders 
      are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power 
      ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

      
 

      
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to 
      benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the 
      defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline 
      as well.

      
 

      
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this 
      just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted 
      positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

      
 

      
Ian


Bob 
  Raible
Sunny San Jose,CA
  


  

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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's with KLIC???
Date: 23 Nov 2002 19:50:51 -0500

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Worley 
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's with KLIC???


  Bob, when a stock loses over 90% of its value in less than a year, a dead cat bounce is common. And when you have gone from over $21 to under $2, any "rally" can show impressive returns for the short term period. On the other hand, after this 50% gain you mention, it can still triple, yet leave investors that bought earlier this year with a 15% loss.

  It has a non-standard fiscal year, ended September. And its Q4 was a disaster with over a $3 per share loss recorded. I would assume, since I will not bother with any research, that they wrote off a lot of stuff in that quarter. Still, forecasts are for losing another dollar during the current year, so doesn't meet any CANSLIM I know of, including its current Group RS of D minus.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Raible 
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:35 PM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] What's with KLIC???


  Up over 50% on high volume in two days, not long after a couple of downgrades. What gives? 

   Tom Worley  wrote: 

    Hi Ian,

    With the Republicans in control, defense contractors will benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from boots to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once again Congress has failed to pass the required budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new Congress reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last year's budget, so little new spending will develop for some time.

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Ian 
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
    Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


    Hi Tom:

    I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks.

    I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out.

    Ian


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Tom Worley 
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
      Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PM
      Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


      Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in my VR Fund.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ian 
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
      Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM
      Subject: [CANSLIM] M


      Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?

      It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

      It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.

      So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

      Ian


  Bob Raible
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----- Original Message ----- 

  
From: 
  Tom 
  Worley 

  
  
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:43 
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] What's with 
  KLIC???

  


  
Bob, when a stock loses over 90% of its value in less 
  than a year, a dead cat bounce is common. And when you have gone from over $21 
  to under $2, any "rally" can show impressive returns for the short term 
  period. On the other hand, after this 50% gain you mention, it can still 
  triple, yet leave investors that bought earlier this year with a 15% 
  loss.

  
 

  
It has a non-standard fiscal year, ended September. And 
  its Q4 was a disaster with over a $3 per share loss recorded. I would assume, 
  since I will not bother with any research, that they wrote off a lot of stuff 
  in that quarter. Still, forecasts are for losing another dollar during the 
  current year, so doesn't meet any CANSLIM I know of, including its current 
  Group RS of D minus.

  
 

  
----- Original Message ----- 
  
From: Bob Raible 


  
  
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:35 PM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] What's with KLIC???

  


  
Up over 50% on high volume in two days, not long after a couple of 
  downgrades. What gives? 
  
 Tom Worley <stkguru@bellsouth.net> 
  wrote: 
  

    
    

    
Hi Ian,

    
 

    
With the Republicans in control, defense contractors 
    will benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, 
    from boots to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will 
    be among technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart 
    bombs, cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as 
    anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The 
    reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency 
    will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once again Congress 
    has failed to pass the required budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to 
    do so until after the new Congress reconvenes in January. So most agencies 
    are still operating on last year's budget, so little new spending will 
    develop for some time.

    
 

    
----- Original Message ----- 
    
From: Ian 

    
    
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

    


    
Hi Tom:

    
 

    
I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related 
    security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, 
    PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was 
    reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks.

    
 

    
I was thinking of small companies that are going to 
    benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little 
    early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out.

    
 

    
Ian

    
 

    
 

    

      
----- Original Message ----- 

      
From: 
      Tom 
      Worley 

      
      
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 
      8:52 PM

      
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

      


      
Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as 
      did my IT stocks in my VR Fund.

      
 

      
----- Original Message ----- 
      
From: Ian 

      
      
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM

      
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

      


      
Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from 
      this buying frenzy?

      
 

      
It seems to me that several recent rally leaders 
      are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power 
      ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.

      
 

      
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to 
      benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the 
      defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline 
      as well.

      
 

      
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this 
      just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted 
      positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?

      
 

      
Ian


Bob 
  Raible
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting
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Rolf:
A "dull market"?
You will know it when you see or meet it!
It is not a bull market.
It is not an active market.
Volume is usually very low.
Not much movement in the most active issues.
The traders on the exchange floor need "no-doze" to keep awake.
It is doubtful that you get any takers if you offered two ten dollar =
bills for a five.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: rolf hertenstein=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting


  OK, I give up.  How do you define a "dull" market?

  Thanks!
   Rolf
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Winston Little=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:58 AM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting


    Two points:

    1. He who sells what is'nt hisn'
    Must buy it back or go to prison.

    2. NEVER short a dull market!
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Gene Ricci=20
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 3:16 PM
      Subject: [CANSLIM] Shorting


      I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local =
user group and want to start with an outline. I would really appreciate =
your inputs on the minimum concepts that an investor must know before =
adding shorting to their bag of tricks?

      Thanks in advance,
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Rolf:


A "dull market"?


You will know it when you see or meet =
it!


It is not a bull market.


It is not an active market.


Volume is usually very low.


Not much movement in the most active =
issues.


The traders on the exchange floor need "no-doze" to =
keep=20
awake.


It is doubtful that you get any takers if you =
offered two ten=20
dollar bills for a five.



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  rolf=20
  hertenstein 
  
  
Sent: Saturday, November 23, =
2002 8:47=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting

  


  
OK, I give up.  How do you =
define a "dull"=20
  market?

  
 

  
Thanks!

  
 Rolf

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    Winston=20
    Little 
    
    
Sent: Saturday, November 23, =
2002 10:58=20
    AM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting

    


    
Two points:

    
 

    
1. He who sells what is'nt hisn'

    
Must buy it back or go to prison.

    
 

    
2. NEVER short a dull market!

    

      
----- Original Message ----- =


      From:=20
      Gene =
Ricci=20
      
      
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
      

      
Sent: Friday, November 22, =
2002 3:16=20
      PM

      
Subject: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting

      


      
I'm trying to develop a training =
module on=20
      shorting for our local user group and want to start with an =
outline. I=20
      would really appreciate your inputs on the minimum concepts =
that an=20
      investor must know before adding shorting to their bag of=20
      tricks?

Thanks in=20
  =
advance,
Gene



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From: "Patrick Wahl" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting
Date: 23 Nov 2002 19:42:44 -0700

That would be one where price is just going sideways, little volatility.

On 23 Nov 2002 at 18:47, rolf hertenstein wrote:

> OK, I give up.  How do you define a "dull" market?



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From: "Mark Kerson" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD
Date: 23 Nov 2002 22:44:58 -0500

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Hi, my name is Mark. I have been reading -studying really- IBD’s system for about two years.

I have been monitoring this list for some months now.

I feel compelled to say something about my experience with IBD after reading what seems like a
general undercurrent of negativity about the paper on this site. Not everyone to be sure, but
several people seem to have a distain for it that I simply don’t understand.

I love the paper, I love the books, and I love the web site. Honestly… as corny as that sounds,
every day I wake up early so I can read my paper and learn more about stocks. I am enormously
grateful to have found it. I began searching about four years ago for a way to understand stocks. It
was a complete mystery to me; I had never bought a stock, I did not know the slightest thing about
how or why to buy or sell.  To give you an idea of just how little I knew; I did not even know where
to buy a share of stock if I wanted to. The more I read about the process in the sources that were
available to me, the less I understood. My head was swimming with conflicting information. I tried
taking an online course with one company, only to feel even dumber. I read some books. I tried a
college course. I spoke with friends. I read business newspapers. All of it was a complete waste of
time.

Then I came across IBD. It was like lightning stuck. Of course I did not understand much of what was
being said, but reading what they offered it was clear to me -on an intuitive level- that this was
what I was looking for. The tone was matter of fact, and it said, over and over again, that I could
do it, that it was not rocket science, and that they would help. They said it was going to take
study and effort, but that it absolutely could be mastered, and they were right.

So, every day, I read the paper and the books and the on line information and feel delighted that
the company exists. The cost seems insignificant for the product offered; and I say this having not
made any money (actually I have lost some) and not being a rich man. I realize that my timing was
exactly at the beginning of the two+ year market decline. (In fact I feel personally responsible for
it, having made the decision to learn about stocks, it seems to me, is the very reason the markets
have declined.).  And I am completely convinced that when the market turns (which it seems to have
done, at least for the time being) that I will profit from my efforts. When this happens I will have
only IBD to thank for my success.

So, I wanted to put my two cents into the pot and offer another view from the one I hear most often
expressed on in this forum.

Also, I would like to thank everyone on this list for all of the insights and information offered.
Reading your comments and ideas has helped me a great deal.

I wish everyone a great Thanksgiving.
Mark


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Hi,
my name is Mark. I have been reading -studying really- IBD’s =
system for about
two years. 



 



I
have been monitoring this list for some months =
now.



 



I
feel compelled to say something about my experience with IBD after =
reading what
seems like a general undercurrent of negativity about the paper on this =
site.
Not everyone to be sure, but several people seem to have a distain for =
it that
I simply don’t understand. 



 



I
love the paper, I love the books, and I love the web site. =
Honestly… as corny
as that sounds, every day I wake up early so I can read my paper and =
learn more
about stocks. I am enormously grateful to have found it. I began =
searching about
four years ago for a way to understand stocks. It was a complete mystery =
to me;
I had never bought a stock, I did not know the slightest thing about how =
or why
to buy or sell.  To give =
you an
idea of just how little I knew; I did not even know where to buy a share =
of
stock if I wanted to. The more I read about the process in the sources =
that
were available to me, the less I understood. My head was swimming with
conflicting information. I tried taking an online course with one =
company, only
to feel even dumber. I read some books. I tried a college course. I =
spoke with
friends. I read business newspapers. All of it was a complete waste of =
time. 



 



Then
I came across IBD. It was like lightning stuck. Of course I did not =
understand
much of what was being said, but reading what they offered it was clear =
to me
-on an intuitive level- that this was what I was looking for. The tone =
was
matter of fact, and it said, over and over again, that I could do it, =
that it
was not rocket science, and that they would help. They said it was going =
to
take study and effort, but that it absolutely could be mastered, and =
they were
right. 



 



So,
every day, I read the paper and the books and the on line information =
and feel
delighted that the company exists. The cost seems insignificant for the =
product
offered; and I say this having not made any money (actually I have lost =
some) and
not being a rich man. I realize that my timing was exactly at the =
beginning of
the two+ year market decline. (In
fact I feel personally responsible for it, having made the decision to =
learn
about stocks, it seems to me, is the very reason the markets have =
declined.).  And I
am completely convinced that when the market turns (which it seems to =
have
done, at least for the time being) that I will profit from my efforts. =
When this
happens I will have only IBD to thank for my success. =




 



So,
I wanted to put my two cents into the pot and offer another view from =
the one I
hear most often expressed on in this forum. =




 



Also,
I would like to thank everyone on this list for all of the insights and =
information
offered. Reading your comments and ideas has helped me a great deal. =




 



I
wish everyone a great Thanksgiving. 



Mark




 <=
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From: AJAskey@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 23 Nov 2002 23:01:59 EST


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Here's a question:  who are these 50% bullish advisors?  I can't find anyone 
who is really bullish.  Some, like me, are bullish now but will change in a 
heartbeat if M turns against us.  But who besides Joe Battapaglia is really 
bullish?  Don Hays says he is bullish be he has raise 11% cash in the past 
few months (data from his site at http://www.haysmarketfocus.com).

Could it be that these investment advisors are hurting for clients and would 
be committing career suicide by admitting bearishness?  How 'bout the AAII 
survey. I vote bearish in that every week because everyone likes the number 
low.  I'm just doing my part and I wonder how many are doing the same.  These 
two surveys appear to me to be one of the easiest things to game without fear 
of the SEC.

Andy

In a message dated 11/23/2002 7:35:08 PM Central Standard Time, 
Spencer48@aol.com writes:


> What gives me pause about the near future strength of the market is 
> this:  The Investor's Intelligence Bullish Advisors are at 50%; the Bearish 
> 
> Advisors are below 30%.  These %s are very near bearish levels (based on 
> past 
> experience with the percentages).  This indicator, by the way, is in a 
> graphic at the bottom of The Big Picture page in IBD.


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Here's a question:  who are these 50% bullish advisors?  I can't find anyone who is really bullish.  Some, like me, are bullish now but will change in a heartbeat if M turns against us.  But who besides Joe Battapaglia is really bullish?  Don Hays says he is bullish be he has raise 11% cash in the past few months (data from his site at http://www.haysmarketfocus.com).



Could it be that these investment advisors are hurting for clients and would be committing career suicide by admitting bearishness?  How 'bout the AAII survey. I vote bearish in that every week because everyone likes the number low.  I'm just doing my part and I wonder how many are doing the same.  These two surveys appear to me to be one of the easiest things to game without fear of the SEC.



Andy



In a message dated 11/23/2002 7:35:08 PM Central Standard Time, Spencer48@aol.com writes:






What gives me pause about the near future strength of the market is 

this:  The Investor's Intelligence Bullish Advisors are at 50%; the Bearish 

Advisors are below 30%.  These %s are very near bearish levels (based on past 

experience with the percentages).  This indicator, by the way, is in a 

graphic at the bottom of The Big Picture page in IBD.





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From: "Curt Corley" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] sector identification
Date: 24 Nov 2002 00:24:04 -0600

Here's a method for finding what sector and industry group that a
particular stock belongs to.

1. Visit http://www.marketguide.com/home.asp
2. Click on the "Screening Tools" button
3. Click on the link that reads "9170 Active Companies"
4. Click on "Add/Remove/Arrange Columns"
5. Choose "DESCRIPTIVE" for the "Value Category"
6. Select and add the following two (to four) variables:
   * IndDescr (and/or IndCode)
   * SectorDescr (and/or SectorCode)
7. Click OK
8. Click the "Download to Spreadsheet" button
9. After the spreadsheet is downloaded, you can sort it however you want
(by Sector, Industry, or Ticker symbol).

I don't think the sector or industry categories exactly match the
categories that IBD uses (in case that matters), but they will probably
be close enough to get the job done.

-- Curt

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of
michael_niemotka@baxter.com
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:08 PM

All,

I have been starting to do some sector analysis, and was wondering if
someone could point me to a website that would allow me to figure out
what
sector a particular company belongs in, and more importantly, if there
is
an index within that sector that the stock belongs to.

I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, and am
working
backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but then wanting
to
use P&F sector charting to see the sector strength.

Any ideas?

Have a nice weekend

Mike


Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. Principal Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847) 270-4525
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From: "Tim Katona" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Free newsletter with market analysis
Date: 23 Nov 2002 18:26:50 -0800

FYI, here is a free weekly newsletter on the markets I've been getting for
some time. Most of the leading indicators ('secondary' ones per WON) in one
place.
Tim

http://www.amateur-investors.com/Weekend_Market_Analysis11_23_02.htm

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From: "Mike Gibbons" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] sector identification
Date: 23 Nov 2002 21:43:03 -1000

Thank you Curt, that is extremely helpful and I can definitely use it
myself.

Now , to save everyone time, the result of that process will be to send to
the Multex server a request for information (a URL) as follows:

http://www.marketguide.com/screen/Results.asp?Start=1&Max=100&PortfolioType=
Active%20Companies&Showfields=Ticker,Name,IndDescr,SectorDescr

Click it and you'll then be able to download the ticker, name, industry and
sector without stepping through the pages Curt described. But I never would
have known how to get to the final URL without his first publishing the
steps. Once, thanks Curt.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


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[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Curt Corley
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:24 PM


Here's a method for finding what sector and industry group that a
particular stock belongs to.

1. Visit http://www.marketguide.com/home.asp
2. Click on the "Screening Tools" button
3. Click on the link that reads "9170 Active Companies"
4. Click on "Add/Remove/Arrange Columns"
5. Choose "DESCRIPTIVE" for the "Value Category"
6. Select and add the following two (to four) variables:
   * IndDescr (and/or IndCode)
   * SectorDescr (and/or SectorCode)
7. Click OK
8. Click the "Download to Spreadsheet" button
9. After the spreadsheet is downloaded, you can sort it however you want
(by Sector, Industry, or Ticker symbol).

I don't think the sector or industry categories exactly match the
categories that IBD uses (in case that matters), but they will probably
be close enough to get the job done.

-- Curt

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michael_niemotka@baxter.com
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:08 PM

All,

I have been starting to do some sector analysis, and was wondering if
someone could point me to a website that would allow me to figure out
what
sector a particular company belongs in, and more importantly, if there
is
an index within that sector that the stock belongs to.

I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, and am
working
backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but then wanting
to
use P&F sector charting to see the sector strength.

Any ideas?

Have a nice weekend

Mike


Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. Principal Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847) 270-4525
michael_niemotka@baxter.com



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From: "Mike Gibbons" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] sector identification
Date: 23 Nov 2002 21:59:12 -1000

Further to my last post, to get to the spreadsheet directly, click

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z67723C82

Note: It can take quite a few seconds (minutes for slower connections)
before the download will complete.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


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Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:43 PM


Thank you Curt, that is extremely helpful and I can definitely use it
myself.

Now , to save everyone time, the result of that process will be to send to
the Multex server a request for information (a URL) as follows:

http://www.marketguide.com/screen/Results.asp?Start=1&Max=100&PortfolioType=
Active%20Companies&Showfields=Ticker,Name,IndDescr,SectorDescr

Click it and you'll then be able to download the ticker, name, industry and
sector without stepping through the pages Curt described. But I never would
have known how to get to the final URL without his first publishing the
steps. Once, thanks Curt.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Curt Corley
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:24 PM


Here's a method for finding what sector and industry group that a
particular stock belongs to.

1. Visit http://www.marketguide.com/home.asp
2. Click on the "Screening Tools" button
3. Click on the link that reads "9170 Active Companies"
4. Click on "Add/Remove/Arrange Columns"
5. Choose "DESCRIPTIVE" for the "Value Category"
6. Select and add the following two (to four) variables:
   * IndDescr (and/or IndCode)
   * SectorDescr (and/or SectorCode)
7. Click OK
8. Click the "Download to Spreadsheet" button
9. After the spreadsheet is downloaded, you can sort it however you want
(by Sector, Industry, or Ticker symbol).

I don't think the sector or industry categories exactly match the
categories that IBD uses (in case that matters), but they will probably
be close enough to get the job done.

-- Curt

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of
michael_niemotka@baxter.com
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:08 PM

All,

I have been starting to do some sector analysis, and was wondering if
someone could point me to a website that would allow me to figure out
what
sector a particular company belongs in, and more importantly, if there
is
an index within that sector that the stock belongs to.

I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, and am
working
backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but then wanting
to
use P&F sector charting to see the sector strength.

Any ideas?

Have a nice weekend

Mike


Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. Principal Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847) 270-4525
michael_niemotka@baxter.com



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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD
Date: 24 Nov 2002 05:21:21 -0500

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Welcome to the group, Mark, it is also a good place to learn.

I agree with you that IBD can teach, and consider it a much better =
source for the individual investor than WSJ, Fortune, Barrons, or just =
about any other financial periodical.  I have not been a user for six or =
seven years primarily due lack of time, and lack of need. On the other =
hand, if I had an hour a day to spare, I would enjoy using that time to =
read IBD.

Much of the source of the negativity about IBD (and DGO, both WON =
products) stems from the heavy handed use of their lawyers against =
members of this group that have done nothing but promote the value of =
both products. A particular gripe many have had with IBD, including =
myself, is that some of their employees mine this group for ideas, then =
use them in the paper (this is now prohibited by the terms of membership =
in this group, but remains to be seen if it will be honored). A final =
gripe with the paper is that they have often appeared to be redefining =
WON's teachings, or else showing the readers how they should have known =
to buy or sell a stock, but doing so months or years after the fact =
rather than before this action is already shown to have been the right =
one.

The good thing about the stock market is that it is bigger than all of =
us combined, so none of us can take responsibility for making it fall =
for the past two years!!

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:44 PM


Hi, my name is Mark. I have been reading -studying really- IBD's system =
for about two years.=20

=20

I have been monitoring this list for some months now.

=20

I feel compelled to say something about my experience with IBD after =
reading what seems like a general undercurrent of negativity about the =
paper on this site. Not everyone to be sure, but several people seem to =
have a distain for it that I simply don't understand.=20

=20

I love the paper, I love the books, and I love the web site. Honestly. =
as corny as that sounds, every day I wake up early so I can read my =
paper and learn more about stocks. I am enormously grateful to have =
found it. I began searching about four years ago for a way to understand =
stocks. It was a complete mystery to me; I had never bought a stock, I =
did not know the slightest thing about how or why to buy or sell.  To =
give you an idea of just how little I knew; I did not even know where to =
buy a share of stock if I wanted to. The more I read about the process =
in the sources that were available to me, the less I understood. My head =
was swimming with conflicting information. I tried taking an online =
course with one company, only to feel even dumber. I read some books. I =
tried a college course. I spoke with friends. I read business =
newspapers. All of it was a complete waste of time.=20

=20

Then I came across IBD. It was like lightning stuck. Of course I did not =
understand much of what was being said, but reading what they offered it =
was clear to me -on an intuitive level- that this was what I was looking =
for. The tone was matter of fact, and it said, over and over again, that =
I could do it, that it was not rocket science, and that they would help. =
They said it was going to take study and effort, but that it absolutely =
could be mastered, and they were right.=20

=20

So, every day, I read the paper and the books and the on line =
information and feel delighted that the company exists. The cost seems =
insignificant for the product offered; and I say this having not made =
any money (actually I have lost some) and not being a rich man. I =
realize that my timing was exactly at the beginning of the two+ year =
market decline. (In fact I feel personally responsible for it, having =
made the decision to learn about stocks, it seems to me, is the very =
reason the markets have declined.).  And I am completely convinced that =
when the market turns (which it seems to have done, at least for the =
time being) that I will profit from my efforts. When this happens I will =
have only IBD to thank for my success.=20

=20

So, I wanted to put my two cents into the pot and offer another view =
from the one I hear most often expressed on in this forum.=20

=20

Also, I would like to thank everyone on this list for all of the =
insights and information offered. Reading your comments and ideas has =
helped me a great deal.=20

=20

I wish everyone a great Thanksgiving.=20

Mark=20

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Welcome to the group, Mark, it is also a good =
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I agree with you that IBD can teach, and =
consider it a=20
much better source for the individual investor than WSJ, Fortune, =
Barrons, or=20
just about any other financial periodical.  I have not been a user =
for six=20
or seven years primarily due lack of time, and lack of need. On the =
other hand,=20
if I had an hour a day to spare, I would enjoy using that time to read=20
IBD.


 


Much of the source of the negativity about IBD =
(and DGO,=20
both WON products) stems from the heavy handed use of their lawyers =
against=20
members of this group that have done nothing but promote the value of =
both=20
products. A particular gripe many have had with IBD, including myself, =
is that=20
some of their employees mine this group for ideas, then use them in the =
paper=20
(this is now prohibited by the terms of membership in this group, but =
remains to=20
be seen if it will be honored). A final gripe with the paper is that =
they have=20
often appeared to be redefining WON's teachings, or else showing the =
readers how=20
they should have known to buy or sell a stock, but doing so months or =
years=20
after the fact rather than before this action is already shown to have =
been the=20
right one.


 


The good thing about the stock market is that it =
is bigger=20
than all of us combined, so none of us can take responsibility for =
making it=20
fall for the past two years!!


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Mark =
Kerson 



Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 10:44 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD







Hi, my name is =
Mark. I have=20
been reading -studying really- IBD=92s system for about two years.=20



 


I=20
have been monitoring this list for some months=20
now.


 


I=20
feel compelled to say something about my experience with IBD after =
reading what=20
seems like a general undercurrent of negativity about the paper on this =
site.=20
Not everyone to be sure, but several people seem to have a distain for =
it that I=20
simply don=92t understand. 


 


I=20
love the paper, I love the books, and I love the web site. Honestly=85 =
as corny as=20
that sounds, every day I wake up early so I can read my paper and learn =
more=20
about stocks. I am enormously grateful to have found it. I began =
searching about=20
four years ago for a way to understand stocks. It was a complete mystery =
to me;=20
I had never bought a stock, I did not know the slightest thing about how =
or why=20
to buy or sell.  To give =
you an idea=20
of just how little I knew; I did not even know where to buy a share of =
stock if=20
I wanted to. The more I read about the process in the sources that were=20
available to me, the less I understood. My head was swimming with =
conflicting=20
information. I tried taking an online course with one company, only to =
feel even=20
dumber. I read some books. I tried a college course. I spoke with =
friends. I=20
read business newspapers. All of it was a complete waste of time.=20



 


Then I came across =
IBD. It=20
was like lightning stuck. Of course I did not understand much of what =
was being=20
said, but reading what they offered it was clear to me -on an intuitive =
level-=20
that this was what I was looking for. The tone was matter of fact, and =
it said,=20
over and over again, that I could do it, that it was not rocket science, =
and=20
that they would help. They said it was going to take study and effort, =
but that=20
it absolutely could be mastered, and they were right.=20



 


So, every day, I =
read the=20
paper and the books and the on line information and feel delighted that =
the=20
company exists. The cost seems insignificant for the product offered; =
and I say=20
this having not made any money (actually I have lost some) and not being =
a rich=20
man. I realize that my timing was exactly at the beginning of the two+ =
year=20
market decline. (In=20
fact I feel personally responsible for it, having made the decision to =
learn=20
about stocks, it seems to me, is the very reason the markets have=20
declined.). =
 And I am completely convinced =
that when=20
the market turns (which it seems to have done, at least for the time =
being) that=20
I will profit from my efforts. When this happens I will have only IBD to =
thank=20
for my success. 


 


So, I wanted to =
put my two=20
cents into the pot and offer another view from the one I hear most often =

expressed on in this forum. 


 


Also, I would like =
to thank=20
everyone on this list for all of the insights and information offered. =
Reading=20
your comments and ideas has helped me a great deal.=20



 


I=20
wish everyone a great Thanksgiving. 


Mark=20



 


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Free newsletter with market analysis
Date: 24 Nov 2002 05:25:10 -0500

Tim, I agree, good site. I have been using it for quite some time, helps me
focus on the indexes, both short and long term. Occasionally has some
interesting stock charts as well.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:26 PM


FYI, here is a free weekly newsletter on the markets I've been getting for
some time. Most of the leading indicators ('secondary' ones per WON) in one
place.
Tim

http://www.amateur-investors.com/Weekend_Market_Analysis11_23_02.htm

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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview
Date: 24 Nov 2002 07:22:32 -0500

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ECONOMICS
Retail sales were essentially flat for the first half of November. I =
haven't seen any more reports of stores or manufacturers being hurt by =
the closure of the West Coast ports, in fact the backlog was apparently =
cleared out a week ago, but mostly because new arrivals were taking =
their cargo elsewhere.

The Trade Gap was down 0.7% in September, but still the second highest =
on record (August remains the record, for now). Year to date, the =
deficit is up over 17%, with deficits with China and the EU as primary =
cause. Boding ill for a recovery in the US economy, exports declined for =
the second straight month.

CPI rose 0.3% in October, core up 0.2%, both in line with expectations. =
Rising energy prices (up 1.8%) were the biggest contributor. Guess we =
won't have that problem if Bush succeeds in replacing Hussein with a US =
dominated govt. The global economy could be kick started with increased =
Iraqi oil production, and cheap prices, but then inflation could soar, =
and standby for the Feds increasing rates.

In a measure of health for both the economy in general, and the housing =
industry in particular, the weekly index of mortgage requests rose last =
week, up 21% from the prior week. Refinancing is still alive and well, =
so consumer spending will continue, as well as new home construction. =
Refi alone was up over 27%.

Housing starts dropped 11.4% in October, biggest drop in 8 years, and =
below expectations. Some of this was likely due to the unsustainable =
growth seen in September. Most of the drop came from multi-family =
construction, single family units only dropped 7%. The only region to =
show an increase was the West, Northeast, Midwest, and South all dropped =
double digits.

New claims for unemployment fell by an unexpected 25,000 to their lowest =
level in four months. Seasonal adjustments may have distorted the =
results, however. The four week moving average dipped to 395,750, and =
continuing claims also dropped to 3.58 million.

Victoria's Secret lingerie TV show is indecent?? Oh please, war is =
indecent, poverty is indecent, corrupt politicians that steal from their =
citizens, or corrupt businessmen that steal from their shareholders, now =
that is indecent.

Index of Leading Economic Indicators was flat in October, better than =
expectations of a 0.1% decline, and an improvement over the 0.4% decline =
in September. Consumer consumption still remains the lone holdout =
supporting expectations of the future economy.

Possibly contributing to the weak retail sales reports is the growth in =
online sales in the third quarter, up 7.8% from the prior quarter and =
34.3% from the prior year. There is no seasonal adjustment to online =
sales figures, and only limited historic data (back to 1999). Online =
sales as a percent of overall retail sales grew from 1.2% to 1.3%.

Economists cut their projections for growth in the Fourth Quarter from =
2.6% to 1.3%, and cut forecasts for 2003 from 3.0% to 2.6%. They =
increased the odds of a contraction in Q4's GDP to 27% from 19%, =
indicated growth would be improving by the end of 2003, and forecast =
essentially a flat unemployment picture.

The House failed to pass a bill before recessing for the holidays to =
continue the extension of unemployment benefits, so anyone passing the =
26 week point after 12/28/02 will lose this benefit (estimated at 90,000 =
people a week). Nice job, Congress. Fortunately, at least some of them =
will also be unemployed in January. See how they like it then.=20
-------

"M"
Good week for me, with my 401K gaining about 2%, my IRA about 3%, and my =
margin acct up another 5+%. So naturally I have a bullish outlook this =
weekend. Small caps rock!! The volume and price spike on Thursday pushed =
every major index over the prior high, a positive signal for me. =
Friday's sell off towards the close was a bit disappointing, but not =
surprising. And the Naz, R2000, S&P Midcap 400 and S&P600 still managed =
to close up slightly. The rest were barely down, so held the gains =
nicely. While things don't appear to be getting much better, they also =
are not getting worse, or at least if getting worse doing it at a much =
slower rate.  And earnings for the S&P500 companies, according to First =
Call, are expected to rise during the fourth quarter 16.5%, up from 7.3% =
in Q3 and 1.4% in Q2. I also note how the markets handled both good and =
bad news, rallying on the former, and mostly shrugging off the latter. =
That's a complete reversal of what we have mostly seen over the past two =
years. I also note that most indexes have now risen 20% or more from the =
October lows, also suggesting this may turn into more than a bull rally =
in a continuing bear market. You can look at the charts (daily or =
weekly) of most major indexes and argue double bottom vs head & =
shoulders vs cup & handle. But Thursday's performance gives more =
credence to the dbl bottom, and c&h, and less to the h&s. Comparing =
up/down volume to advancing/declining issues also suggests to me that =
money is flowing once again back into the big cap stocks. Most of these =
will likely not prove to be winners, certainly not big winners, but =
institutional money likes comfort names. And mutual fund shareholders =
like to see names they recognize. Money is also flowing out of defensive =
stocks, and into more speculative issues. The SOX Index has been =
especially volatile lately.
-------

WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES=20
This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. It =
is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health of CANSLIM's =
"M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some stocks with =
constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from =
(and of course doing your own due diligence). I am employed in =
Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is =
strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views =
or opinions of my employer.

I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better, =
and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout =
scenario. I look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria, =
focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all =
industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my =
personal investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings forecast =
for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no =
due diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM =
patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases =
(shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR =
(Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM =
pattern. Rarely are any of these stocks of interest to me for my =
personal investing due size, price or industry group. I will note any =
stocks in which I have a current personal financial interest.

The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend increased sharply, =
not unexpected given the growth in stocks hitting new highs.

ASGR - B4
CENT - B3
CHCO - LLUR
CHS - 2nd attempt to b/o from the c&h
COCO - LLUR
ENR - B4
ESPD - c&h
EXPD - second base forming above the handle?
GDW - weak double bottom, handle formed
GRMN - cup, good volume on right side
IDXC - c&h, in my VR Fund
ISSX - early stage LLUR?, own, in my VR Fund
JOSB - high handle
MBFI - 14 week consolidation
MDT - handle may be starting to form
MVL - still trying to b/o from the handle
NWRE - stealth b/o?, in my VR Fund
NXTL - long cup, stealth b/o, no volume
ODFL - 5 week consolidation off a LLUR
PCLE - high handle, trying to b/o on double volume, at pivot
PSUN - double bottom, handle formed just over the pivot
RGIS - selloff on Friday took it under the nice handle formed
ROOM - handleless cup??
ROST - breaking the handle pivot of the c&h on Friday, volume average
RYAAY - not CANSLIM, but just wanted to point out one airline doing well =
despite all the bad industry press
SFSW - B3+
SJM - good example of how late money is chasing defensive stocks, while =
institutional money is moving out, note volume past six days, I like =
peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, but not where I put my money now
STN - second base on the handle may be failing, or providing a second =
entry
VIP - Russian cellphone, anyone? In 3 qtrs, already nearly did full year =
forecast, and trailing PE still only 16, needs to form a handle, but the =
momentum may mean a handleless cup
WDC - high handle, or handleless cup?
WGO - back to the handle pivot
WOOF - volume drying up nicely in the handle, another baby boomer stock?

Happy Hunting,


Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: TexWorley
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ECONOMICS


Retail sales were essentially flat for the first =
half of=20
November. I haven't seen any more reports of stores or manufacturers =
being hurt=20
by the closure of the West Coast ports, in fact the backlog was =
apparently=20
cleared out a week ago, but mostly because new arrivals were taking =
their cargo=20
elsewhere.


 


The Trade Gap was down 0.7% in September, but =
still the=20
second highest on record (August remains the record, for now). Year to =
date, the=20
deficit is up over 17%, with deficits with China and the EU as primary =
cause.=20
Boding ill for a recovery in the US economy, exports declined for the =
second=20
straight month.


 


CPI rose 0.3% in October, core up 0.2%, both in =
line with=20
expectations. Rising energy prices (up 1.8%) were the biggest =
contributor. Guess=20
we won't have that problem if Bush succeeds in replacing Hussein with a =
US=20
dominated govt. The global economy could be kick started with increased =
Iraqi=20
oil production, and cheap prices, but then inflation could soar, and =
standby for=20
the Feds increasing rates.


 


In a measure of health for both the economy in =
general,=20
and the housing industry in particular, the weekly index of mortgage =
requests=20
rose last week, up 21% from the prior week. Refinancing is still alive =
and well,=20
so consumer spending will continue, as well as new home construction. =
Refi alone=20
was up over 27%.


 


Housing starts dropped 11.4% in October, biggest =
drop in 8=20
years, and below expectations. Some of this was likely due to the =
unsustainable=20
growth seen in September. Most of the drop came from multi-family =
construction,=20
single family units only dropped 7%. The only region to show an increase =
was the=20
West, Northeast, Midwest, and South all dropped double =
digits.


 


New claims for unemployment fell by an =
unexpected 25,000=20
to their lowest level in four months. Seasonal adjustments may have =
distorted=20
the results, however. The four week moving average dipped to 395,750, =
and=20
continuing claims also dropped to 3.58 million.


 


Victoria's Secret lingerie TV show is indecent?? =
Oh=20
please, war is indecent, poverty is indecent, corrupt politicians that =
steal=20
from their citizens, or corrupt businessmen that steal from their =
shareholders,=20
now that is indecent.


 


Index of Leading Economic Indicators was flat in =
October,=20
better than expectations of a 0.1% decline, and an improvement over the =
0.4%=20
decline in September. Consumer consumption still remains the lone =
holdout=20
supporting expectations of the future economy.


 


Possibly contributing to the weak retail sales=20
reports is the growth in online sales in the third quarter, up 7.8% =
from=20
the prior quarter and 34.3% from the prior year. There is no seasonal =
adjustment=20
to online sales figures, and only limited historic data (back to 1999). =
Online=20
sales as a percent of overall retail sales grew from 1.2% to =
1.3%.


 


Economists cut their projections for growth in =
the Fourth=20
Quarter from 2.6% to 1.3%, and cut forecasts for 2003 from 3.0% to 2.6%. =
They=20
increased the odds of a contraction in Q4's GDP to 27% from 19%, =
indicated=20
growth would be improving by the end of 2003, and forecast essentially a =
flat=20
unemployment picture.


 


The House failed to pass a bill before recessing =
for the=20
holidays to continue the extension of unemployment benefits, so anyone =
passing=20
the 26 week point after 12/28/02 will lose this benefit (estimated at =
90,000=20
people a week). Nice job, Congress. Fortunately, at least some of them =
will also=20
be unemployed in January. See how they like it then.=20





"M"


Good week for me, with my 401K gaining about 2%, =
my IRA=20
about 3%, and my margin acct up another 5+%. So naturally I have a =
bullish=20
outlook this weekend. Small caps rock!! The volume and price spike on =
Thursday=20
pushed every major index over the prior high, a positive signal for me. =
Friday's=20
sell off towards the close was a bit disappointing, but not surprising. =
And the=20
Naz, R2000, S&P Midcap 400 and S&P600 still managed to close up=20
slightly. The rest were barely down, so held the gains nicely. While =
things=20
don't appear to be getting much better, they also are not getting worse, =
or at=20
least if getting worse doing it at a much slower rate.  And =
earnings=20
for the S&P500 companies, according to First Call, are expected to =
rise=20
during the fourth quarter 16.5%, up from 7.3% in Q3 and 1.4% in Q2. I =
also note=20
how the markets handled both good and bad news, rallying on the former, =
and=20
mostly shrugging off the latter. That's a complete reversal of what we =
have=20
mostly seen over the past two years. I also note that most indexes have =
now=20
risen 20% or more from the October lows, also suggesting this may turn =
into more=20
than a bull rally in a continuing bear market. You can look at the =
charts (daily=20
or weekly) of most major indexes and argue double bottom vs head & =
shoulders=20
vs cup & handle. But Thursday's performance gives more credence to =
the dbl=20
bottom, and c&h, and less to the h&s. Comparing up/down volume =
to=20
advancing/declining issues also suggests to me that money is flowing =
once again=20
back into the big cap stocks. Most of these will likely not prove to be =
winners,=20
certainly not big winners, but institutional money likes comfort names. =
And=20
mutual fund shareholders like to see names they recognize. Money is also =
flowing=20
out of defensive stocks, and into more speculative issues. The SOX Index =
has=20
been especially volatile lately.





WORLEY'S WATCHLIST =
WANNABES 












This list is in no way intended to recommend any =
stocks to=20
the group. It is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health =
of=20
CANSLIM's "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some =
stocks=20
with constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from (and of =
course doing=20
your own due diligence). I am employed =
in=20
Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is =
strictly=20
my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views or =
opinions of=20
my employer.


 


I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS =
ranking of 80=20
or better, and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition =
/=20
buyout scenario. I look at all charts that meet =
this general RS/EPS=20
criteria, focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I =
consider all=20
industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my =
personal=20
investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings =
forecast=20
for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no due diligence, that is your =
responsibility. I will=20
note any CANSLIM patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) =
bottoms, or=20
flat bases (shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also =
note LLUR=20
(Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM =
pattern. Rarely=20
are any of these stocks of interest to me for my personal investing due =
size,=20
price or industry group. I will note any stocks in which I have a =
current=20
personal financial interest.


 


The population of stocks I am reviewing this =
weekend=20
increased sharply, not unexpected given the growth in stocks hitting new =

highs.


 


ASGR - B4


CENT - B3


CHCO - LLUR


CHS - 2nd attempt to b/o from the c&h


COCO - LLUR


ENR - B4


ESPD - c&h


EXPD - second base forming above the handle?


GDW - weak double bottom, handle formed


GRMN - cup, good volume on right side


IDXC - c&h, in my VR Fund


ISSX - early stage LLUR?, own, in my VR Fund


JOSB - high handle


MBFI - 14 week consolidation


MDT - handle may be starting to form


MVL - still trying to b/o from the handle


NWRE - stealth b/o?, in my VR Fund


NXTL - long cup, stealth b/o, no volume


ODFL - 5 week consolidation off a LLUR


PCLE - high handle, trying to b/o on double volume, at pivot


PSUN - double bottom, handle formed just over the pivot


RGIS - selloff on Friday took it under the nice handle formed


ROOM - handleless cup??


ROST - breaking the handle pivot of the c&h on Friday, volume=20
average


RYAAY - not CANSLIM, but just wanted to point out one airline doing =
well=20
despite all the bad industry press


SFSW - B3+


SJM - good example of how late money is chasing defensive stocks, =
while=20
institutional money is moving out, note volume past six days, I like =
peanut=20
butter and jelly sandwiches, but not where I put my money now


STN - second base on the handle may be failing, or providing a =
second=20
entry


VIP - Russian cellphone, anyone? In 3 qtrs, already nearly did full =
year=20
forecast, and trailing PE still only 16, needs to form a handle, but the =

momentum may mean a handleless cup


WDC - high handle, or handleless cup?


WGO - back to the handle pivot


WOOF - volume drying up nicely in the handle, another baby boomer=20
stock?


 


Happy Hunting,


 


3D""


Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: =

TexWorley


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From: "Norman Boyd" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] sector identification
Date: 24 Nov 2002 07:29:43 -0600

Curt,

I would like to add my thanks.  There are several free sites that offer the
same info but I think maybe this one is the best.

I was able to download it on my slooooooow dial-up so just about anyone
should be able to get it.

Norm


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> Further to my last post, to get to the spreadsheet directly, click
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z67723C82
>
> Note: It can take quite a few seconds (minutes for slower connections)
> before the download will complete.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Mike Gibbons
> Proactive Technologies, LLC
> http://www.proactech.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:43 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] sector identification
>
>
> Thank you Curt, that is extremely helpful and I can definitely use it
> myself.
>
> Now , to save everyone time, the result of that process will be to send to
> the Multex server a request for information (a URL) as follows:
>
>
http://www.marketguide.com/screen/Results.asp?Start=1&Max=100&PortfolioType=
> Active%20Companies&Showfields=Ticker,Name,IndDescr,SectorDescr
>
> Click it and you'll then be able to download the ticker, name, industry
and
> sector without stepping through the pages Curt described. But I never
would
> have known how to get to the final URL without his first publishing the
> steps. Once, thanks Curt.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Mike Gibbons
> Proactive Technologies, LLC
> http://www.proactech.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Curt Corley
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:24 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] sector identification
>
>
> Here's a method for finding what sector and industry group that a
> particular stock belongs to.
>
> 1. Visit http://www.marketguide.com/home.asp
> 2. Click on the "Screening Tools" button
> 3. Click on the link that reads "9170 Active Companies"
> 4. Click on "Add/Remove/Arrange Columns"
> 5. Choose "DESCRIPTIVE" for the "Value Category"
> 6. Select and add the following two (to four) variables:
>    * IndDescr (and/or IndCode)
>    * SectorDescr (and/or SectorCode)
> 7. Click OK
> 8. Click the "Download to Spreadsheet" button
> 9. After the spreadsheet is downloaded, you can sort it however you want
> (by Sector, Industry, or Ticker symbol).
>
> I don't think the sector or industry categories exactly match the
> categories that IBD uses (in case that matters), but they will probably
> be close enough to get the job done.
>
> -- Curt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of
> michael_niemotka@baxter.com
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:08 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: [CANSLIM] sector identification
>
> All,
>
> I have been starting to do some sector analysis, and was wondering if
> someone could point me to a website that would allow me to figure out
> what
> sector a particular company belongs in, and more importantly, if there
> is
> an index within that sector that the stock belongs to.
>
> I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, and am
> working
> backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but then wanting
> to
> use P&F sector charting to see the sector strength.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Have a nice weekend
>
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Niemotka , PE
> Sr. Principal Engineer
> Baxter Healthcare Corporation
> Route 120 & Wilson Road
> Round Lake, IL 60073
> Tel (847) 270-4075
> Fax (847) 270-4525
> michael_niemotka@baxter.com
>
>
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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 24 Nov 2002 10:49:25 -0600

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Hi All,

I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:

http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls ( a bit slow =
to load)
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip ( a zipped =
version for download)
*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for =
Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you =
will not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see =
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for a free =
viewer.

In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward growth =
rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS =
at least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the =
200 day SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for =
CANSLIM quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM =
guidelines, you can use the autofilter feature in each column and view =
only Price>=3D$12 (or 15) and AvgVol>=3D100000.) Other information =
included is industry name (slightly different than DGO's names, but =
close enough!), price, avg vol, and  links to graphs and due diligence =
sites on the internet. This month I've also added links to Mike's and =
(now my!) cwhcharts for each stock which displays U/D volume, RS Rank, =
Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a couple of additional =
columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J regarding =
relative outperformance of certain stocks and strength of potential and =
current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line since the =
10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been going =
up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to the market), =
it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to show the % =
off the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on such =
things. Also note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this =
is easy to overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but others =
include a list of stocks dropped from the list, a summary of stocks by =
sector, and a sheet with misc. links for free info on the web.

If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it at:

http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip

This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list I =
posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell from =
the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. Though =
rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of repeats =
does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the last year. =
It's an encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of =
defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) =
and into growth areas such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and =
Business Sevices. Of particular note this month is the high =
representation of media stocks. As a sign of *economic* strength (though =
not necessarily market strength), this is very important. 19 names show =
on the list and represent both print and broadcast media. AOL also =
announced recently that they see a strengthening demand for advertising. =
This is an important sign, because media is typically one of the strong =
sectors leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the market is a =
discounting mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with good =
representation are telecom (select cellular and equipment companies), =
computer services and business services. I don't see it as particularly =
troubling that more retailers don't show on the list. The consumer =
stocks have dominated over the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think =
it would be out of the question there would be a substantial secular =
shift to capital goods and other quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. =
Tech supports many industries and great growth stocks don't necessarily =
have to come from consumer related businesses (though it is true many =
growth companies do typically come from innovative retailers.) It's also =
interesting to me that Biotech is well represented on this month's list =
with 14 names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to =
see institutional money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the =
most important growth industry going forward. I am also not troubled by =
the flow of money *out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the =
market is a discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing =
out of this sector, the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may =
not be building new houses at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in =
the future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that the consumer will no =
longer be healthy and spend money. The laborers and supporting =
businesses will shift to other industries as a result in the same way =
that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's. Take a =
trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different city than it =
was at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse group =
of businesses than 20 years ago.

With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly not =
perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of =
hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully =
populated with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we =
may be in for an intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still =
a jungle out there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!

One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list =
stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to =
tell if the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list =
to continue to spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there =
is no way to monitor the number of downloads, I'll need some individual =
feedback to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed =
the same sentiment from time to time given the amount of effort he puts =
into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a =
pulse point.

Happy Hunting,
Katherine
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Hi All,


 


I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:


 


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http:=
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a zipped version for download)


*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 =
for=20
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will not=20
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In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward =
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couple of=20
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regarding=20
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current=20
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market low.=20
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I've also included a column to show the % off the 52 week high for those =
that=20
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summary of=20
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web.


 


If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find =
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http:=
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http:=
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list of=20
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populated=20
with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may be in =
for an=20
intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a jungle out =
there....be=20
sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!


 


One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a =
list=20
stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to =
tell if=20
the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to =
continue to=20
spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no way to =
monitor the=20
number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback to gauge the =
value to=20
the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from time to =
time=20
given the amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I =
am=20
following his lead to get a pulse point.


 


Happy Hunting,


Katherine


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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 24 Nov 2002 11:03:55 -0600

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not "leading out of economic reversionary periods"
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Katherine Malm=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:49 AM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02


  Hi All,

  I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:

  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls ( a bit =
slow to load)
  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip ( a zipped =
version for download)
  *Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for =
Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you =
will not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see =
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for a free =
viewer.

  In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward =
growth rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least =
30K, RS at least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or =
above the 200 day SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" =
requirements for CANSLIM quality stocks. (Note that if you follow =
stricter CANSLIM guidelines, you can use the autofilter feature in each =
column and view only Price>=3D$12 (or 15) and AvgVol>=3D100000.) Other =
information included is industry name (slightly different than DGO's =
names, but close enough!), price, avg vol, and  links to graphs and due =
diligence sites on the internet. This month I've also added links to =
Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock which displays U/D volume, =
RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a couple of =
additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J =
regarding relative outperformance of certain stocks and strength of =
potential and current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS =
Line since the 10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) =
has been going up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to =
the market), it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to =
show the % off the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on =
such things. Also note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though =
this is easy to overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but =
others include a list of stocks dropped from the list, a summary of =
stocks by sector, and a sheet with misc. links for free info on the web.

  If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it =
at:

  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or
  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip

  This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list =
I posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell =
from the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. =
Though rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of =
repeats does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the =
last year. It's an encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow =
out of defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare =
(hospitals/HMO's) and into growth areas such as Healthcare =
equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of particular note this =
month is the high representation of media stocks. As a sign of =
*economic* strength (though not necessarily market strength), this is =
very important. 19 names show on the list and represent both print and =
broadcast media. AOL also announced recently that they see a =
strengthening demand for advertising. This is an important sign, because =
media is typically one of the strong sectors leading out of economic =
reversionary periods. As the market is a discounting mechanism, this =
then bodes well. Other areas with good representation are telecom =
(select cellular and equipment companies), computer services and =
business services. I don't see it as particularly troubling that more =
retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have dominated =
over the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the =
question there would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and =
other quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech supports many =
industries and great growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from =
consumer related businesses (though it is true many growth companies do =
typically come from innovative retailers.) It's also interesting to me =
that Biotech is well represented on this month's list with 14 names. =
While this is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to see institutional =
money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the most important growth =
industry going forward. I am also not troubled by the flow of money =
*out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the market is a =
discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing out of this =
sector, the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may not be =
building new houses at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in the =
future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that the consumer will no longer =
be healthy and spend money. The laborers and supporting businesses will =
shift to other industries as a result in the same way that they did when =
the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's. Take a trip to Houston =
today and you'll find it a far different city than it was at that =
time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse group of =
businesses than 20 years ago.

  With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly =
not perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of =
hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully =
populated with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we =
may be in for an intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still =
a jungle out there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!

  One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list =
stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to =
tell if the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list =
to continue to spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there =
is no way to monitor the number of downloads, I'll need some individual =
feedback to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed =
the same sentiment from time to time given the amount of effort he puts =
into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a =
pulse point.

  Happy Hunting,
  Katherine
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----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Katherine=20
  Malm 
  
  
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 =
10:49=20
  AM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM =
Hunting List=20
  Updated 11/22/02

  


  

  

  
Hi All,

  
 

  
I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:

  
 

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls=20
  ( a bit slow to load)

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip (=20
  a zipped version for download)

  
*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel =
2000 for=20
  Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you =
will=20
  not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see http://=
office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for=20
  a free viewer.

  
 

  

  
In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward =
growth=20
  rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS =
at=20
  least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the =
200 day=20
  SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for =
CANSLIM=20
  quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM guidelines, =
you can=20
  use the autofilter feature in each column and view only =
Price>=3D$12 (or 15)=20
  and AvgVol>=3D100000.) Other information included is industry name =
(slightly=20
  different than DGO's names, but close enough!), price, avg vol, and=20
   links to graphs and due diligence sites on the internet. This =
month I've=20
  also added links to Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock =
which=20
  displays U/D volume, RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've =
also added=20
  a couple of additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion =
with=20
  Eric J regarding relative outperformance of certain stocks and =
strength of=20
  potential and current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS =
Line=20
  since the 10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) =
has=20
  been going up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to =
the=20
  market), it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to =
show the %=20
  off the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on such =
things.=20
  Also note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy =
to=20
  overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but others include a =
list of=20
  stocks dropped from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a =
sheet with=20
  misc. links for free info on the web.

  
 

  
If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find =
it=20
  at:

  
 

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip

  
 

  
This month there are 476 names, up a whopping =
105 names=20
  from the list I posted last month just after the FTD.  This=20
  month, 125  names fell from the list, 230 new names came on =
board=20
  and 246 names are repeats. Though rotation on the list is still fairly =
severe,=20
  the large number of repeats does show some marked improvement over =
what I've=20
  seen in the last year. It's an encouraging sign that money seems to =
continue=20
  to flow out of defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare=20
  (hospitals/HMO's) and into growth areas such as Healthcare=20
  equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of particular note this =
month is=20
  the high representation of media stocks. As a sign of *economic* =
strength=20
  (though not necessarily market strength), this is very important. 19 =
names=20
  show on the list and represent both print and broadcast media. AOL =
also=20
  announced recently that they see a strengthening demand for =
advertising. This=20
  is an important sign, because media is typically one of the strong =
sectors=20
  leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the market is a =
discounting=20
  mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with good representation =
are=20
  telecom (select cellular and equipment companies), computer services =
and=20
  business services. I don't see it as particularly troubling that more=20
  retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have dominated =
over the=20
  past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the =
question there=20
  would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and other =
quasi-cyclical=20
  sectors in the future. Tech supports many industries and great growth =
stocks=20
  don't necessarily have to come from consumer related businesses =
(though it is=20
  true many growth companies do typically come from innovative =
retailers.) It's=20
  also interesting to me that Biotech is well represented on this =
month's list=20
  with 14 names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to =
see=20
  institutional money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the most=20
  important growth industry going forward. I am also not troubled by the =
flow of=20
  money *out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the market is a =

  discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing out of this =
sector,=20
  the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may not be building =
new houses=20
  at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in the future, but it's a =
fallacy to=20
  conclude that the consumer will no longer be healthy and spend money. =
The=20
  laborers and supporting businesses will shift to other industries as a =
result=20
  in the same way that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the =
early=20
  '80's. Take a trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different =
city=20
  than it was at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more =
diverse=20
  group of businesses than 20 years ago.

  
 

  
With a follow-through day under our belts, decent =
(though certainly=20
  not perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a =
list of=20
  hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully =
populated=20
  with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may be in =
for an=20
  intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a jungle out=20
  there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!

  
 

  
One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a =
list=20
  stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to =
tell if=20
  the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to =
continue to=20
  spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no way to =
monitor=20
  the number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback to gauge =
the value=20
  to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from =
time to=20
  time given the amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend =
Weeview, so I=20
  am following his lead to get a pulse point.

  
 

  
Happy Hunting,

  
Katherine


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are you trying to tell us something, or is your 3 year old having fun
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LOL

Tom, he's just like me.  He/She stutters when he thinks of shorting:-)

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From: Phil Neal 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 24 Nov 2002 09:20:57 -0800 (PST)

Hi Katherine,

I review all your postings and appreciate your time
and effort...particularly the Hunting List.

Phil
 
--- Katherine Malm  wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:
> 
>
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls
> ( a bit slow to load)
>
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip
> ( a zipped version for download)
> *Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared
> with Excel 2000 for Windows. If you have older
> versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you will not
> be able to view them properly. If you do not have
> Excel, see
>
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx
> for a free viewer.
> 
> In order to make it to the list, the stock had to
> have a forward growth rate of at least 15%, Price at
> least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS at least 60,
> no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or
> above the 200 day SMA. This is what I consider to be
> "bare bones" requirements for CANSLIM quality
> stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM
> guidelines, you can use the autofilter feature in
> each column and view only Price>=$12 (or 15) and
> AvgVol>=100000.) Other information included is
> industry name (slightly different than DGO's names,
> but close enough!), price, avg vol, and  links to
> graphs and due diligence sites on the internet. This
> month I've also added links to Mike's and (now my!)
> cwhcharts for each stock which displays U/D volume,
> RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also
> added a couple of additional columns as an outgrowth
> of my recent discussion with Eric J regarding
> relative outperformance of certain stocks and
> strength of potential and current leader stocks.
> You'll find a column for the RS Line since the 10/10
> market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500)
> has been going up since that date (indicating
> outperformance relative to the market), it is
> indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to
> show the % off the 52 week high for those that keep
> their eye focused on such things. Also note that
> there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is
> easy to overlook. The first sheet has the listed
> stocks, but others include a list of stocks dropped
> from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a
> sheet with misc. links for free info on the web.
> 
> If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list,
> you will find it at:
> 
>
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls
> or
>
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip
> 
> This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105
> names from the list I posted last month just after
> the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell from the list,
> 230 new names came on board and 246 names are
> repeats. Though rotation on the list is still fairly
> severe, the large number of repeats does show some
> marked improvement over what I've seen in the last
> year. It's an encouraging sign that money seems to
> continue to flow out of defensive names such as
> REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) and
> into growth areas such as Healthcare
> equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of
> particular note this month is the high
> representation of media stocks. As a sign of
> *economic* strength (though not necessarily market
> strength), this is very important. 19 names show on
> the list and represent both print and broadcast
> media. AOL also announced recently that they see a
> strengthening demand for advertising. This is an
> important sign, because media is typically one of
> the strong sectors leading out of economic
> reversionary periods. As the market is a discounting
> mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with
> good representation are telecom (select cellular and
> equipment companies), computer services and business
> services. I don't see it as particularly troubling
> that more retailers don't show on the list. The
> consumer stocks have dominated over the past 20 (or
> so) years and I don't think it would be out of the
> question there would be a substantial secular shift
> to capital goods and other quasi-cyclical sectors in
> the future. Tech supports many industries and great
> growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from
> consumer related businesses (though it is true many
> growth companies do typically come from innovative
> retailers.) It's also interesting to me that Biotech
> is well represented on this month's list with 14
> names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is
> encouraging to see institutional money flow to it.
> Many believe biotech will be the most important
> growth industry going forward. I am also not
> troubled by the flow of money *out* of homebuilders
> and related stocks. Again, the market is a
> discounting mechanism. That means that if money is
> flowing out of this sector, the growth in housing,
> etc.will decline. People may not be building new
> houses at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in
> the future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that the
> consumer will no longer be healthy and spend money.
> The laborers and supporting businesses will shift to
> other industries as a result in the same way that
> they did when the oil industry collapsed in the
> early '80's. Take a trip to Houston today and you'll
> find it a far different city than it was at that
> time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more
> diverse group of businesses than 20 years ago.
> 
> With a follow-through day under our belts, decent
> (though certainly not perfect, and still suspect)
> action in recent breakouts and a list of hunting
> candidates composed of less defensive names and more
> fully populated with innovative companies, it's an
> encouraging sign that we may be in for an
> intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's
> still a jungle out there....be sure to honor all
> your buy *and* sell rules!!
> 
> One last note...I'm aware that there are many who
> will not use a list stocks such as this (and
> rightfully so), but it's always difficult to tell if
> the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the
> CANSLIM list to continue to spend the time it takes
> to prepare each month. As there is no way to monitor
> the number of downloads, I'll need some individual
> feedback to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley
> has often expressed the same sentiment from time to
> time given the amount of effort he puts into his
> weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead
> to get a pulse point.
> 
> Happy Hunting,
> Katherine


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Katherine, your presentation gets more impressive every month. Thank you =
for the time and effort it clearly takes. While I don't go thru the list =
completely, I do review it as it adds to my understanding of what is =
working for CANSLIM style stocks. I am also curious to see how much =
overlap I have with the stocks on my personal list with what you have =
gleaned using different methodology. I also appreciate the other sheets =
in the spreadsheet, especially the summary by sector, and the stocks =
dropped.=20

For what it's worth, I did find 4 of interest to me that my method had =
not picked up yet, and I am still looking for more.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:49 AM


Hi All,

I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:

http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls ( a bit slow =
to load)
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip ( a zipped =
version for download)
*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for =
Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you =
will not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see =
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for a free =
viewer.

In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward growth =
rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS =
at least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the =
200 day SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for =
CANSLIM quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM =
guidelines, you can use the autofilter feature in each column and view =
only Price>=3D$12 (or 15) and AvgVol>=3D100000.) Other information =
included is industry name (slightly different than DGO's names, but =
close enough!), price, avg vol, and  links to graphs and due diligence =
sites on the internet. This month I've also added links to Mike's and =
(now my!) cwhcharts for each stock which displays U/D volume, RS Rank, =
Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a couple of additional =
columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J regarding =
relative outperformance of certain stocks and strength of potential and =
current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line since the =
10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been going =
up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to the market), =
it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to show the % =
off the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on such =
things. Also note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this =
is easy to overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but others =
include a list of stocks dropped from the list, a summary of stocks by =
sector, and a sheet with misc. links for free info on the web.

If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it at:

http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip

This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list I =
posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell from =
the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. Though =
rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of repeats =
does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the last year. =
It's an encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of =
defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) =
and into growth areas such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and =
Business Sevices. Of particular note this month is the high =
representation of media stocks. As a sign of *economic* strength (though =
not necessarily market strength), this is very important. 19 names show =
on the list and represent both print and broadcast media. AOL also =
announced recently that they see a strengthening demand for advertising. =
This is an important sign, because media is typically one of the strong =
sectors leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the market is a =
discounting mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with good =
representation are telecom (select cellular and equipment companies), =
computer services and business services. I don't see it as particularly =
troubling that more retailers don't show on the list. The consumer =
stocks have dominated over the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think =
it would be out of the question there would be a substantial secular =
shift to capital goods and other quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. =
Tech supports many industries and great growth stocks don't necessarily =
have to come from consumer related businesses (though it is true many =
growth companies do typically come from innovative retailers.) It's also =
interesting to me that Biotech is well represented on this month's list =
with 14 names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to =
see institutional money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the =
most important growth industry going forward. I am also not troubled by =
the flow of money *out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the =
market is a discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing =
out of this sector, the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may =
not be building new houses at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in =
the future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that the consumer will no =
longer be healthy and spend money. The laborers and supporting =
businesses will shift to other industries as a result in the same way =
that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's. Take a =
trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different city than it =
was at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse group =
of businesses than 20 years ago.

With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly not =
perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of =
hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully =
populated with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we =
may be in for an intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still =
a jungle out there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!

One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list =
stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to =
tell if the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list =
to continue to spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there =
is no way to monitor the number of downloads, I'll need some individual =
feedback to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed =
the same sentiment from time to time given the amount of effort he puts =
into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a =
pulse point.

Happy Hunting,
Katherine
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Katherine, your presentation gets more =
impressive every=20
month. Thank you for the time and effort it clearly takes. While I don't =
go thru=20
the list completely, I do review it as it adds to my understanding of =
what is=20
working for CANSLIM style stocks. I am also curious to see how much =
overlap I=20
have with the stocks on my personal list with what you have gleaned =
using=20
different methodology. I also appreciate the other sheets in the =
spreadsheet,=20
especially the summary by sector, and the stocks dropped. 


 


For what it's worth, I did find 4 of interest to =
me that=20
my method had not picked up yet, and I am still looking for =
more.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Katherine Malm=20




Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:49 AM


Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated =
11/22/02









Hi All,


 


I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:


 


http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls=20
( a bit slow to load)


http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip (=20
a zipped version for download)


*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 =
for=20
Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you =
will not=20
be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see http://=
office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for=20
a free viewer.


 




In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward =
growth=20
rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS =
at least=20
60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the 200 day =
SMA. This=20
is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for CANSLIM quality =
stocks.=20
(Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM guidelines, you can use the =
autofilter=20
feature in each column and view only Price>=3D$12 (or 15) and=20
AvgVol>=3D100000.) Other information included is industry name =
(slightly=20
different than DGO's names, but close enough!), price, avg vol, and =
 links=20
to graphs and due diligence sites on the internet. This month I've also =
added=20
links to Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock which displays =
U/D=20
volume, RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a =
couple of=20
additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J =
regarding=20
relative outperformance of certain stocks and strength of potential and =
current=20
leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line since the 10/10 =
market low.=20
If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been going up since that =
date=20
(indicating outperformance relative to the market), it is indicated with =
a "+".=20
I've also included a column to show the % off the 52 week high for those =
that=20
keep their eye focused on such things. Also note that there are 4 sheets =
in the=20
workbook, though this is easy to overlook. The first sheet has the =
listed=20
stocks, but others include a list of stocks dropped from the list, a =
summary of=20
stocks by sector, and a sheet with misc. links for free info on the =
web.


 


If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find =
it=20
at:


 


http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or


http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip


 


This month there are 476 names, up a whopping =
105 names from=20
the list I posted last month just after the FTD.  This =
month, 125=20
 names fell from the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 =
names are=20
repeats. Though rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large =
number of=20
repeats does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the =
last year.=20
It's an encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of =
defensive=20
names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) and =
into=20
growth areas such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and Business =
Sevices. Of=20
particular note this month is the high representation of media stocks. =
As a sign=20
of *economic* strength (though not necessarily market strength), this is =
very=20
important. 19 names show on the list and represent both print and =
broadcast=20
media. AOL also announced recently that they see a strengthening demand =
for=20
advertising. This is an important sign, because media is typically one =
of the=20
strong sectors leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the =
market is a=20
discounting mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with good=20
representation are telecom (select cellular and equipment companies), =
computer=20
services and business services. I don't see it as particularly troubling =
that=20
more retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have =
dominated over=20
the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the =
question=20
there would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and other=20
quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech supports many industries and =
great=20
growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from consumer related =
businesses=20
(though it is true many growth companies do typically come from =
innovative=20
retailers.) It's also interesting to me that Biotech is well represented =
on this=20
month's list with 14 names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is =
encouraging=20
to see institutional money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the =
most=20
important growth industry going forward. I am also not troubled by the =
flow of=20
money *out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the market is a=20
discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing out of this =
sector,=20
the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may not be building new =
houses=20
at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in the future, but it's a =
fallacy to=20
conclude that the consumer will no longer be healthy and spend money. =
The=20
laborers and supporting businesses will shift to other industries as a =
result in=20
the same way that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the early =
'80's.=20
Take a trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different city =
than it was=20
at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse group of=20
businesses than 20 years ago.


 


With a follow-through day under our belts, decent =
(though certainly=20
not perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a =
list of=20
hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully =
populated=20
with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may be in =
for an=20
intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a jungle out =
there....be=20
sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!


 


One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a =
list=20
stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to =
tell if=20
the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to =
continue to=20
spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no way to =
monitor the=20
number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback to gauge the =
value to=20
the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from time to =
time=20
given the amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I =
am=20
following his lead to get a pulse point.


 


Happy Hunting,


Katherine


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From: "Curt Corley" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] sector identification
Date: 24 Nov 2002 12:14:24 -0600

Mike, Norm:

You're welcome. I've gotten such great ideas and advice from the CANSLIM
list (especially from Katherine, Mike, and Tom), that I feel grateful
for the opportunity to contribute something useful to the list myself.

Most of the credit for that method actually goes to Andy Askey (not only
a member of this list, but also a fellow co-worker).  He was the one who
introduced me to the powerful features of marketguide's stock screener
along with a great many other things about CANSLIM and investing in
general.

Cheers,
Curt

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Norman Boyd
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 7:30 AM

Curt,

I would like to add my thanks.  There are several free sites that offer
the
same info but I think maybe this one is the best.

I was able to download it on my slooooooow dial-up so just about anyone
should be able to get it.

Norm


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 1:59 AM


> Further to my last post, to get to the spreadsheet directly, click
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z67723C82
>
> Note: It can take quite a few seconds (minutes for slower connections)
> before the download will complete.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Mike Gibbons
> Proactive Technologies, LLC
> http://www.proactech.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:43 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] sector identification
>
>
> Thank you Curt, that is extremely helpful and I can definitely use it
> myself.
>
> Now , to save everyone time, the result of that process will be to
send to
> the Multex server a request for information (a URL) as follows:
>
>
http://www.marketguide.com/screen/Results.asp?Start=1&Max=100&PortfolioT
ype=
> Active%20Companies&Showfields=Ticker,Name,IndDescr,SectorDescr
>
> Click it and you'll then be able to download the ticker, name,
industry
and
> sector without stepping through the pages Curt described. But I never
would
> have known how to get to the final URL without his first publishing
the
> steps. Once, thanks Curt.
>
> Aloha,
>
> Mike Gibbons
> Proactive Technologies, LLC
> http://www.proactech.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Curt Corley
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:24 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] sector identification
>
>
> Here's a method for finding what sector and industry group that a
> particular stock belongs to.
>
> 1. Visit http://www.marketguide.com/home.asp
> 2. Click on the "Screening Tools" button
> 3. Click on the link that reads "9170 Active Companies"
> 4. Click on "Add/Remove/Arrange Columns"
> 5. Choose "DESCRIPTIVE" for the "Value Category"
> 6. Select and add the following two (to four) variables:
>    * IndDescr (and/or IndCode)
>    * SectorDescr (and/or SectorCode)
> 7. Click OK
> 8. Click the "Download to Spreadsheet" button
> 9. After the spreadsheet is downloaded, you can sort it however you
want
> (by Sector, Industry, or Ticker symbol).
>
> I don't think the sector or industry categories exactly match the
> categories that IBD uses (in case that matters), but they will
probably
> be close enough to get the job done.
>
> -- Curt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of
> michael_niemotka@baxter.com
> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:08 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: [CANSLIM] sector identification
>
> All,
>
> I have been starting to do some sector analysis, and was wondering if
> someone could point me to a website that would allow me to figure out
> what
> sector a particular company belongs in, and more importantly, if there
> is
> an index within that sector that the stock belongs to.
>
> I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, and am
> working
> backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but then
wanting
> to
> use P&F sector charting to see the sector strength.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Have a nice weekend
>
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Niemotka , PE
> Sr. Principal Engineer
> Baxter Healthcare Corporation
> Route 120 & Wilson Road
> Round Lake, IL 60073
> Tel (847) 270-4075
> Fax (847) 270-4525
> michael_niemotka@baxter.com
>
>
>
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From: Jerry Weiss 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 24 Nov 2002 12:38:41 -0600

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This is for Tom Worley and Katherine Malm. =20
Many thanks for continuing to submit your input.   Around newspaper =
offices it's a given that many people tend to send in negative letters =
about an article or letter to the editor, but few of the many write in =
about their good feelings over the newspaper's contents.  Up till now =
I've shamefully been one of those who have neglected to let you know of =
my appreciation of your input.  Many thanks once again.  Your input is =
always read and thoughtfully considered.

Jer

"Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could =
do only a little."  - - Edmund Burke


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Katherine Malm=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:49 AM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02


  Hi All,

  I'll need some individual feedback to gauge the value to the list. Tom =
Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from time to time given =
the amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am =
following his lead to get a pulse point.

  Happy Hunting,
  Katherine
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people tend to send in negative letters about an article or =
letter to=20
the editor, but few of the many write in about their good =
feelings over the=20
newspaper's contents.  Up till now I've shamefully been one of =
those=20
who have neglected to let you know of my appreciation of your =
input.  Many=20
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considered.


 


Jer



"Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because =
he could=20
do only a little."  - - Edmund Burke


 


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Katherine=20
  Malm 
  
  
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 =
10:49=20
  AM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM =
Hunting List=20
  Updated 11/22/02

  


  

  

  
Hi All,

  
 

  
I'll need some individual feedback to gauge the value to the =
list. Tom=20
  Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from time to time given =
the=20
  amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am =
following=20
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Happy Hunting,

  
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From: "Curt Corley" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] sector identification
Date: 24 Nov 2002 13:30:22 -0600

Mike,

I like your time-saving link.  I tried it out, and the download was
complete in less than 2 minutes on my 56K modem (which is currently
connected at 50.6 Kbps). Thanks for posting the link.  

It just occurred to me that there may be a way to save some additional
time.  If you consistently prefer the spreadsheet to be sorted by a
particular column (ticker, sector, or industry group) you can probably
edit the URL to do so for you automatically.  Between steps 7 and 8 of
the method written in my original post, I could have added steps to
click the "Sort" button, then to check the boxes in the order that you
wish the sort to be performed before downloading the sheet.

One  more thing: After reading the full descriptions on the SectorDescr
and IndDescr variables, I realized that there are 12 sector categories
and 100 industry categories.  So when I stated that the categories might
not exactly match IBD's, it was the understatement of the year.  While
100 industry groups does not give you the kind of granularity that 197
groups gives you, it will hopefully be enough to accomplish your goals.
Best of luck.

-- Curt


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 1:59 AM

Further to my last post, to get to the spreadsheet directly, click

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z67723C82

Note: It can take quite a few seconds (minutes for slower connections)
before the download will complete.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mike Gibbons
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 9:43 PM


Thank you Curt, that is extremely helpful and I can definitely use it
myself.

Now , to save everyone time, the result of that process will be to send
to
the Multex server a request for information (a URL) as follows:

http://www.marketguide.com/screen/Results.asp?Start=1&Max=100&PortfolioT
ype=
Active%20Companies&Showfields=Ticker,Name,IndDescr,SectorDescr

Click it and you'll then be able to download the ticker, name, industry
and
sector without stepping through the pages Curt described. But I never
would
have known how to get to the final URL without his first publishing the
steps. Once, thanks Curt.

Aloha,

Mike Gibbons
Proactive Technologies, LLC
http://www.proactech.com


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Curt Corley
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 8:24 PM


Here's a method for finding what sector and industry group that a
particular stock belongs to.

1. Visit http://www.marketguide.com/home.asp
2. Click on the "Screening Tools" button
3. Click on the link that reads "9170 Active Companies"
4. Click on "Add/Remove/Arrange Columns"
5. Choose "DESCRIPTIVE" for the "Value Category"
6. Select and add the following two (to four) variables:
   * IndDescr (and/or IndCode)
   * SectorDescr (and/or SectorCode)
7. Click OK
8. Click the "Download to Spreadsheet" button
9. After the spreadsheet is downloaded, you can sort it however you want
(by Sector, Industry, or Ticker symbol).

I don't think the sector or industry categories exactly match the
categories that IBD uses (in case that matters), but they will probably
be close enough to get the job done.

-- Curt

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of
michael_niemotka@baxter.com
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:08 PM

All,

I have been starting to do some sector analysis, and was wondering if
someone could point me to a website that would allow me to figure out
what
sector a particular company belongs in, and more importantly, if there
is
an index within that sector that the stock belongs to.

I am interested in point and figure charting for a sector, and am
working
backwards, ie using CANSLIM to identify a good company, but then wanting
to
use P&F sector charting to see the sector strength.

Any ideas?

Have a nice weekend

Mike


Mike Niemotka , PE
Sr. Principal Engineer
Baxter Healthcare Corporation
Route 120 & Wilson Road
Round Lake, IL 60073
Tel (847) 270-4075
Fax (847) 270-4525
michael_niemotka@baxter.com



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From: "Ann" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 24 Nov 2002 14:37:05 -0500

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Katherine,

I don't know which to thank you for more--the list of stocks, the =
economic/sector discussion and lesson, or the tips for using Excel!!

Many thanks for all of the above. Your efforts are very much appreciated =
and extremely helpful to me (as are yours, Tom).

Ann


  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:49 AM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02


  Hi All,

  I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:

  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls ( a bit =
slow to load)
  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip ( a zipped =
version for download)
  *Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for =
Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you =
will not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see =
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for a free =
viewer.

  In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward =
growth rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least =
30K, RS at least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or =
above the 200 day SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" =
requirements for CANSLIM quality stocks. (Note that if you follow =
stricter CANSLIM guidelines, you can use the autofilter feature in each =
column and view only Price>=3D$12 (or 15) and AvgVol>=3D100000.) Other =
information included is industry name (slightly different than DGO's =
names, but close enough!), price, avg vol, and  links to graphs and due =
diligence sites on the internet. This month I've also added links to =
Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock which displays U/D volume, =
RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a couple of =
additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J =
regarding relative outperformance of certain stocks and strength of =
potential and current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS =
Line since the 10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) =
has been going up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to =
the market), it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to =
show the % off the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on =
such things. Also note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though =
this is easy to overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but =
others include a list of stocks dropped from the list, a summary of =
stocks by sector, and a sheet with misc. links for free info on the web.

  If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it =
at:

  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or
  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip

  This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list =
I posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell =
from the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. =
Though rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of =
repeats does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the =
last year. It's an encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow =
out of defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare =
(hospitals/HMO's) and into growth areas such as Healthcare =
equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of particular note this =
month is the high representation of media stocks. As a sign of =
*economic* strength (though not necessarily market strength), this is =
very important. 19 names show on the list and represent both print and =
broadcast media. AOL also announced recently that they see a =
strengthening demand for advertising. This is an important sign, because =
media is typically one of the strong sectors leading out of economic =
reversionary periods. As the market is a discounting mechanism, this =
then bodes well. Other areas with good representation are telecom =
(select cellular and equipment companies), computer services and =
business services. I don't see it as particularly troubling that more =
retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have dominated =
over the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the =
question there would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and =
other quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech supports many =
industries and great growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from =
consumer related businesses (though it is true many growth companies do =
typically come from innovative retailers.) It's also interesting to me =
that Biotech is well represented on this month's list with 14 names. =
While this is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to see institutional =
money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the most important growth =
industry going forward. I am also not troubled by the flow of money =
*out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the market is a =
discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing out of this =
sector, the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may not be =
building new houses at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in the =
future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that the consumer will no longer =
be healthy and spend money. The laborers and supporting businesses will =
shift to other industries as a result in the same way that they did when =
the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's. Take a trip to Houston =
today and you'll find it a far different city than it was at that =
time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse group of =
businesses than 20 years ago.

  With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly =
not perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of =
hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully =
populated with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we =
may be in for an intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still =
a jungle out there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!

  One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list =
stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to =
tell if the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list =
to continue to spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there =
is no way to monitor the number of downloads, I'll need some individual =
feedback to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed =
the same sentiment from time to time given the amount of effort he puts =
into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a =
pulse point.

  Happy Hunting,
  Katherine

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Katherine,


 


I don't know which to thank you for more--the list =
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Excel!!


 


Many thanks for all of the above. Your efforts are =
very much=20
appreciated and extremely helpful to me (as are yours, =
Tom).


 


Ann






  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Katherine=20
  Malm 
  
  
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 =
11:49=20
  AM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM =
Hunting List=20
  Updated 11/22/02

  


  

  

  
Hi All,

  
 

  
I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:

  
 

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls=20
  ( a bit slow to load)

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip (=20
  a zipped version for download)

  
*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel =
2000 for=20
  Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you =
will=20
  not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see http://=
office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for=20
  a free viewer.

  
 

  

  
In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward =
growth=20
  rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS =
at=20
  least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the =
200 day=20
  SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for =
CANSLIM=20
  quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM guidelines, =
you can=20
  use the autofilter feature in each column and view only =
Price>=3D$12 (or 15)=20
  and AvgVol>=3D100000.) Other information included is industry name =
(slightly=20
  different than DGO's names, but close enough!), price, avg vol, and=20
   links to graphs and due diligence sites on the internet. This =
month I've=20
  also added links to Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock =
which=20
  displays U/D volume, RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've =
also added=20
  a couple of additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion =
with=20
  Eric J regarding relative outperformance of certain stocks and =
strength of=20
  potential and current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS =
Line=20
  since the 10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) =
has=20
  been going up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to =
the=20
  market), it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to =
show the %=20
  off the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on such =
things.=20
  Also note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy =
to=20
  overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but others include a =
list of=20
  stocks dropped from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a =
sheet with=20
  misc. links for free info on the web.

  
 

  
If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find =
it=20
  at:

  
 

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip

  
 

  
This month there are 476 names, up a whopping =
105 names=20
  from the list I posted last month just after the FTD.  This=20
  month, 125  names fell from the list, 230 new names came on =
board=20
  and 246 names are repeats. Though rotation on the list is still fairly =
severe,=20
  the large number of repeats does show some marked improvement over =
what I've=20
  seen in the last year. It's an encouraging sign that money seems to =
continue=20
  to flow out of defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare=20
  (hospitals/HMO's) and into growth areas such as Healthcare=20
  equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of particular note this =
month is=20
  the high representation of media stocks. As a sign of *economic* =
strength=20
  (though not necessarily market strength), this is very important. 19 =
names=20
  show on the list and represent both print and broadcast media. AOL =
also=20
  announced recently that they see a strengthening demand for =
advertising. This=20
  is an important sign, because media is typically one of the strong =
sectors=20
  leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the market is a =
discounting=20
  mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with good representation =
are=20
  telecom (select cellular and equipment companies), computer services =
and=20
  business services. I don't see it as particularly troubling that more=20
  retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have dominated =
over the=20
  past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the =
question there=20
  would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and other =
quasi-cyclical=20
  sectors in the future. Tech supports many industries and great growth =
stocks=20
  don't necessarily have to come from consumer related businesses =
(though it is=20
  true many growth companies do typically come from innovative =
retailers.) It's=20
  also interesting to me that Biotech is well represented on this =
month's list=20
  with 14 names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to =
see=20
  institutional money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the most=20
  important growth industry going forward. I am also not troubled by the =
flow of=20
  money *out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the market is a =

  discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing out of this =
sector,=20
  the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may not be building =
new houses=20
  at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in the future, but it's a =
fallacy to=20
  conclude that the consumer will no longer be healthy and spend money. =
The=20
  laborers and supporting businesses will shift to other industries as a =
result=20
  in the same way that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the =
early=20
  '80's. Take a trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different =
city=20
  than it was at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more =
diverse=20
  group of businesses than 20 years ago.

  
 

  
With a follow-through day under our belts, decent =
(though certainly=20
  not perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a =
list of=20
  hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully =
populated=20
  with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may be in =
for an=20
  intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a jungle out=20
  there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!

  
 

  
One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a =
list=20
  stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to =
tell if=20
  the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to =
continue to=20
  spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no way to =
monitor=20
  the number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback to gauge =
the value=20
  to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from =
time to=20
  time given the amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend =
Weeview, so I=20
  am following his lead to get a pulse point.

  
 

  
Happy Hunting,

  
Katherine


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From: "Patrick Wahl" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD
Date: 24 Nov 2002 12:46:41 -0700

I think you are correct, its generally a pretty useful paper.  My one big beef 
has been the Investors Corner picking out some charts and making very 
questionable statements about the pattern, it sometimes seems they have 
tried to have an explanation for every breakout and every failure when 
sometimes the only way to explain one breakout is to contradict something 
they pointed out in a failed breakout.  (like - see, the breakout failed 
because it didn't have a handle, but... sometimes a stock will breakout 
without forming a handle, so be ready for those too)

On 24 Nov 2002 at 5:21, Tom Worley wrote:

> I feel compelled to say something about my experience with IBD after reading
> what seems like a general undercurrent of negativity about the paper on this
> site. Not everyone to be sure, but several people seem to have a distain for it
> that I simply don't understand. 



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From: Inn Ooi 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting & Dividends
Date: 24 Nov 2002 13:49:57 -0600

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Someone mentioned about short sellers having to pay dividends, wouldn't =
stock price trading down at x-dividend date take care of this to a =
certain degree, so the net effect would be nil (assuming one covers that =
same day?)
--- Original Message -----=20
  From: David Taggart=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:09 PM
  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Shorting


  Gene,



  I think that really the only concept that shorters NEED to know well =
is risk control.  Luckily most people that finally wake up and see the =
light (actually are willing to short)  realize that.  For that matter =
Risk control is about the only thing that is imperative in any =
investment/trading method.  Risk aside I think  inverted CANSLIM works =
like a champ.  I add and take away a few things but mainly I like it to =
have huge debt levels.  I made some money on a few cable companies back =
in the Adelphia days.  Unfortunately I was only short two stocks and I =
got out of one way to early the other one I made some good money on =
though.  I also don't require a stock to be above $12 for a short.  I =
only require it to be above $6 though I have shorted a few right above =
$5.  Another point on shorts is that while numbers like 50 and 100 might =
be resistance for longs it is for a purely psychological reason.  But on =
the way down stocks have two important levels $10 and $5  A lot of =
pension funds and some other institutional types are not allowed to hold =
stocks that are under $10 so a lot of times it is a good area to take =
some profits because they tend to support them for a time.  $5 is a =
strong level because once they are below $5 they aren't marginable so a =
lot of holders have to sell.  So it is an area to be watched both for =
people trying to support the stock and for when it breaks below a lot of =
times it will go $.50-1.00 the same day due to all of the selling.



  Fundamentally I mentioned High Debt levels.  I also like (actually =
require) large institutional holdings like above 60% and ideally above =
80%.  One thing I heard from Cramer once that made sense (actually about =
the only thing that has made sense from his mouth) is that you can look =
at the holdings for Janus funds and if it is a large holding in their =
portfolios then it is a good shorting idea because they have had to sell =
a ton to meet redemptions. Of course Janus isn't the only fund company =
that has seen way better days. =20



  Some people that get in the news sometimes that are worth reading =
regarding shorting are the guys at Gotham Partners, they do some awesome =
research so when they go short they are usually right.  David Rocker is =
also a good short seller.  Bill Fleckenstein is good too but his column =
is TOO negative for me  as opposed to him I don't think the world will =
end next week.  If you are a member of Tradingmarkets I love Mark =
Bouchers stuff on trading and he has somne great criteria for shorting.  =
Another person who you get to hear from on occasion in the news in =
Ahtmet Okomus he is a smart guy and really does his homework.  In =
general Short-Sellers are better at their homework than the long side =
crowd.



  But like I said at the beginning Risk Control is the most important =
part of trading short or long so I would obviously stress that.



  Another thing I just remembered is that many people think that you can =
only make 100% on a short.  That is not true.  As the stock drops your =
equity grows so you can short more and more as it goes down while =
staying at the same margin level.





  Good Luck,

  David Taggart



  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gene Ricci
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 1:16 PM
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: [CANSLIM] Shorting



  I'm trying to develop a training module on shorting for our local user =
group and want to start with an outline. I would really appreciate your =
inputs on the minimum concepts that an investor must know before adding =
shorting to their bag of tricks?

  Thanks in advance,
  Gene

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take care=20
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(assuming one=20
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--- Original Message ----- 



  From:=20
  David Taggart 
  
  
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 =
7:09=20
  PM

  
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
Shorting

  


  

  
Gene,

  
 

  
I think =
that really=20
  the only concept that shorters NEED to know well is risk =
control. =20
  Luckily most people that finally wake up and see the light (actually =
are=20
  willing to short)  realize that.  For that matter Risk =
control is=20
  about the only thing that is imperative in any investment/trading=20
  method.  Risk aside I think  inverted CANSLIM works like a=20
  champ.  I add and take away a few things but mainly I like it to =
have=20
  huge debt levels.  I made some money on a few cable companies =
back in the=20
  Adelphia days.  Unfortunately I was only short two stocks and I =
got out=20
  of one way to early the other one I made some good money on =
though.  I=20
  also don=92t require a stock to be above $12 for a short.  I only =
require=20
  it to be above $6 though I have shorted a few right above $5.  =
Another=20
  point on shorts is that while numbers like 50 and 100 might be =
resistance for=20
  longs it is for a purely psychological reason.  But on the way =
down=20
  stocks have two important levels $10 and $5  A lot of pension =
funds and=20
  some other institutional types are not allowed to hold stocks that are =
under=20
  $10 so a lot of times it is a good area to take some profits because =
they tend=20
  to support them for a time.  $5 is a strong level because once =
they are=20
  below $5 they aren=92t marginable so a lot of holders have to =
sell.  So it=20
  is an area to be watched both for people trying to support the stock =
and for=20
  when it breaks below a lot of times it will go $.50-1.00 the same day =
due to=20
  all of the selling.

  
 

  
Fundamentally I=20
  mentioned High Debt levels.  I also like (actually require) large =

  institutional holdings like above 60% and ideally above 80%.  One =
thing I=20
  heard from Cramer once that made sense (actually about the only thing =
that has=20
  made sense from his mouth) is that you can look at the holdings for =
Janus=20
  funds and if it is a large holding in their portfolios then it is a =
good=20
  shorting idea because they have had to sell a ton to meet redemptions. =
Of=20
  course Janus isn=92t the only fund company that has seen way better =
days. =20
  

  
 

  
Some people =
that get=20
  in the news sometimes that are worth reading regarding shorting are =
the guys=20
  at Gotham Partners, they do some awesome research so when they go =
short they=20
  are usually right.  David Rocker is also a good short =
seller.  Bill=20
  Fleckenstein is good too but his column is TOO negative for me  =
as=20
  opposed to him I don=92t think the world will end next week.  If =
you are a=20
  member of Tradingmarkets I love Mark Bouchers stuff on trading and he =
has=20
  somne great criteria for shorting.  Another person who you get to =
hear=20
  from on occasion in the news in Ahtmet Okomus he is a smart guy and =
really=20
  does his homework.  In general Short-Sellers are better at their =
homework=20
  than the long side crowd.

  
 

  
But like I =
said at=20
  the beginning Risk Control is the most important part of trading short =
or long=20
  so I would obviously stress that.

  
 

  
Another =
thing I just=20
  remembered is that many people think that you can only make 100% on a=20
  short.  That is not true.  As the stock drops your equity =
grows so=20
  you can short more and more as it goes down while staying at the same =
margin=20
  level.

  
 

  
 

  
Good=20
  Luck,

  
David=20
  Taggart

  
 

  
-----Original=20
  Message-----
From:=20
  owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
  On Behalf Of Gene=20
  Ricci
Sent: Friday, =
November=20
  22, 2002 1:16 PM
To:=20
  canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM]=20
  Shorting

  
 

  

  
I'm trying to =
develop a=20
  training module on shorting for our local user group and want to start =
with an=20
  outline. I would really appreciate your inputs on the minimum =
concepts=20
  that an investor must know before adding shorting to their bag of=20
  tricks?

Thanks in=20
advance,
Gene
=


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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 24 Nov 2002 14:25:15 -0600

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Hi John,

=20

I think the issue you address is a very important one for many CANSLIM =
investors. That is, at what point to you make a choice to use sources =
other than the IBD itself for your candidate mining? For the newest of =
CANSLIM investors, the best place to mine is the IBD itself, because =
their canned mining strategies lead you to strength in many different =
ways. It's the best way to learn and to fully understand the application =
of the underlying CANSLIM principles. But, at some point, if you have a =
portfolio of size, if you are frustrated by the time it takes to do the =
job manually, or you just prefer a more personal methodology, it becomes =
necessary to branch out. Despite the fact that the IBD says that you can =
do what it takes in 15 minutes or less a day, I think that's an =
understatement. I'd like to see a hedge fund manager manage their =
portfolio on 15 minutes a day!=20

=20

It's interesting to me that Investors.com has come on so strong with =
electronic content, because as late as June of 2000 when I attended my =
last IBD seminar, WON was firmly stating that he would not put the paper =
on the web. There's certainly an advantage in forcing folks to either =
pay up for the proprietary data or in forcing them to manually extract =
it, but as they obviously figured out, it's not necessarily the smartest =
way to engender loyalty to the proprietary indicators and the WON =
products or to expand market share. So, let's say that a person was =
ready to move on to other means of mining for their candidates. The IBD =
then becomes a different and important tool as a means for continuing =
education, keeping up on current news, interpreting the market, =
researching up and coming companies, etc.

=20

I made the leap away from the IBD for mining shortly after adopting =
CANSLIM as my preferred style because I'd much rather be having dinner =
with my husband than highlighting stocks in the =
must-have-a-magnifying-glass-to-read-it stock tables or re-entering =
stock data into a spreadsheet manually. (Something I did, by the way, =
for long enough that it made me crazy.) As I see it, there are 3 primary =
issues in making a choice as to how to go about this:

=20

(1)   If you're currently relying on items such as "Where the Big =
Money's Flowing," "Weekend Review" and "Screen of the Day" to find =
candidates, what's behind the numbers? How would I go about finding =
strength if I were doing it myself? How do I know if a stock is a =
"CANSLIM candidate" and how do I find them?

(2)   What is more important when looking for strength, fundamentals or =
technicals? When is it more appropriate to use one vs the other? What =
emphasis should I place on each of them when mining? When sorting and/or =
whittling down a list of potential candidates?

(3)    What tools can  I use once I figure that out? Should they be free =
or paid tools and what is the advantage/disadvantage to each of them?

=20

As you well know, mining for candidates and keeping a pulse on the ebb =
and flow of the market is only a small part of the CANSLIM process, but =
it nonetheless one of the most critical if you're to generate consistent =
returns over long periods of time.

=20

I'll post some additional detail on each of the 3 items I outlined when =
I have some additional time. In the meantime, I thought I'd include the =
criteria for 3 of IBD's mining features as a lead in to item (1). Notice =
that each of them has a very specific set of criteria for finding =
strength and also notice that if you had tools to do this mining =
yourself, you wouldn't necessarily need to extract the info manually =
from the paper or download it to an individual spreadsheet as with the =
Screen of the Day.

=20

Current Screen of the Day:

Up/Down Volume Leaders--These stocks have the highest up/down volume =
ratio, which indicates buying volume has exceeded selling volume in =
recent weeks. Stocks shown have an EPS Rating and Relative Price =
Strength Rating of at least 80 along an Accumulation/Distribution Rating =
of at least B-.

The qualification criteria for listing in 'Where The Big Money's Flowing =
Now:'=20

Stocks that show on the list are moving up or down in price with daily =
volume at a significant percentage of the average daily volume.

  a.. Stocks must trade on the Nasdaq or New York Stock Exchange.=20
  b.. Stock price must be at least $20.00 ($16.00 for Nasdaq).=20
  c.. Stocks must have a price change of 1/2 point or more.=20
  d.. 50-day Average Volume must be a minimum of 60,000 shares.=20
  e.. For stocks up in price only, the Earnings Per Share (EPS) and =
Relative Price Strength (RS) Ratings must each be a minimum of 70, =
Accumulation/Distribution Rating must be D+ or better and next year's =
earnings estimate must be 15% or higher from the previous year's =
earnings. (Stocks without earnings estimates are included.)=20
The qualification criteria for the Weekend Review (Friday's IBD):

All stocks above $10, within 15% of 12-month high, EPS Rating and RS =
Rating of 85 or more and average daily volume of 10,0000 or more are =
shown in order of Industry Group RS Rating.

=20

=20

--Katherine

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: John Calkins=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


  Hi Katherine,=20

  It really is good to hear from you! You somehow bring things into =
perspective.=20

  I understand the piling up of the papers and the hours of manual =
mining. I must say I have learned as much from you and this group as I =
have from the paper in a fraction of the time.=20

  I used to run a large computer user club back in the early 80's. I =
have for years gone door to door helping my family, friends, neighbors, =
co-workers and computer enthusiasts discover a better way to use their =
computers. My employers have tapped my talents many times, and all along =
I have enjoyed it tremendously. I got interested in individual stock =
investing when these great retired people would fill my head with =
investing terms as I replaced a hard drive for them in their home....no =
cost...just because I liked to visit and it became a trade that they =
knew I accepted. They would talk about The Dow Theory and show me some =
graphs, or some Ameritrade software before the internet was called WWW =
or Dog of the Dow. Then someone asked me about IBD and I have been =
absolutely absorbed in it ever since. I do believe I need to move on and =
use my time more wisely though. I now have a base to start from, much as =
you have said in the past. I believe that everyone truly interested in =
stock investing at some point should take out a subscription at least =
long enough to get to the next level or maybe know how to measure there =
success.=20

  I can really appreciate your involvement in this group. It's your =
ability to teach others and at the some time add knowledge to enhance =
your own understanding that is what is so compelling here. I truly =
appreciate your input to this group.

  Katherine, I would have a difficult time without IBD right now. Like =
you say, The Big Picture is worth the cost of the paper at least for a =
while longer. I pin it up in front of my Nordic-Trac for 40 min each =
morning, killing two birds. I am having a hard time understanding just =
how you actually start your lists. Maybe I need to re-read your posts =
some more, but IBD's screens at least have sorted lists following =
CANSLIM. I have seen their screens printed Forbes. I see your references =
to BIG MONEY, but without using IBD's Big Money screens, how do you get =
started with a manageable list? I guess I still feel that I need some =
hand holding here.=20

  I have stopped recording all the mini chart symbols, I saw the =
correlation and bias such as you say. Now All I record is all the Big =
Money on both exchanges and use and excel sheet macro that one of the =
members came up with to sort the Screen of the Day. I just use the =
"Number of Times" appeared in the Big Money to sort my list then head =
straight for the charts when the market looks better simply starting at =
the top of the list and spending most of my time reading charts from =
Investors.com. Like everyone else, this group is becoming and index for =
me to decide if I want to run the screen. I then use The Screen of the =
Day and Stock Checkup to double check after I look at the chart

  But if there is an easier way to find the big money, I guess I haven't =
understood it quite yet, or maybe if I put the paper down long enough =
and try some of these sites you and others suggest, I might see the =
light. I just want to try to correlate the data online to what is =
showing with the IBD data.

  For those who don't really understand The Big Money, it simply is =
IBD's proprietary screen of high quality stocks that institutional =
investors might be buying with high Relative Price Strength and high IBD =
Earnings Ratings that might be climbing the right side of the cup, =
indicating that the chart should be looked at.

  JC

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Katherine Malm=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:02 PM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


    Hi John,

    I think the use of the IBD vs other free or paid services is more =
than anything a matter of style and preference. There are many here on =
the CANSLIM list who use the IBD exclusively for finding investment =
candidates, others who practice the CANSLIM and or growth style of =
investing but use other tools, and still others who use the IBD and/or =
DGO in combination with other paid services. I still read the IBD's Big =
Picture via the web each day and utilize the numerous educational =
features they provide, but I let the papers pile up for about a month =
before I read them these days, as all of my day to day mining and news =
monitoring is done via other free and paid services. I personally found =
the IBD too time consuming to use as a methodical mining tool and it =
didn't allow me to track the ebb and flow of the market without being =
influenced by their editorial bias. It's amazing how much information is =
available for free on the web these days, so it's entirely possible to =
mine and track good quality growth/CANSLIM candidates even without paid =
tools. Regardless of the choice, I still think the real secret to =
successful investing is using a disciplined approach and a =
methodical/consistent methodology. I think most would be hard pressed to =
argue any one tool was "better" than another, just "better for you."

    Katherine
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: John Calkins=20
      To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
      Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:17 PM
      Subject: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


      OK!  Some say IBD is invaluable.  Others say it BS.  So show me =
how I can
      find Where The Big Moneys Flow......OOps,  I mean Going with out =
using the
      screen in the paper and without buying some other service.

      JC


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Hi John,


 


I think the issue you =
address is=20
a very important one for many CANSLIM investors. That is, at what point =
to you=20
make a choice to use sources other than the IBD itself for your =
candidate=20
mining? For the newest of CANSLIM investors, the best place to =
mine is=20
the IBD itself, because their canned mining strategies lead you to =
strength in=20
many different ways. It=92s the best way to learn and to fully =
understand the=20
application of the underlying CANSLIM principles. But, at some point, if =
you=20
have a portfolio of size, if you are frustrated by the time it takes to =
do the=20
job manually, or you just prefer a more personal methodology, it becomes =

necessary to branch out. Despite the fact that the IBD says that you can =
do what=20
it takes in 15 minutes or less a day, I think that=92s an =
understatement. I=92d like=20
to see a hedge fund manager manage their portfolio on 15 minutes a day! =



 


It=92s interesting to =
me that=20
Investors.com has come on so strong with electronic content, because as =
late as=20
June of 2000 when I attended my last IBD seminar, WON was firmly stating =
that he=20
would not put the paper on the web. There=92s certainly an advantage in =
forcing=20
folks to either pay up for the proprietary data or in forcing them to =
manually=20
extract it, but as they obviously figured out, it=92s not necessarily =
the smartest=20
way to engender loyalty to the proprietary indicators and the WON =
products or to=20
expand market share. So, let=92s say that a person was ready to move on =
to other=20
means of mining for their candidates. The IBD then becomes a different =
and=20
important tool as a means for continuing education, keeping up on =
current news,=20
interpreting the market, researching up and coming companies, etc.


 


I made the leap away =
from the IBD=20
for mining shortly after adopting CANSLIM as my preferred style because =
I=92d much=20
rather be having dinner with my husband than highlighting stocks in the=20
must-have-a-magnifying-glass-to-read-it stock tables or re-entering =
stock data=20
into a spreadsheet manually. (Something I did, by the way, for long =
enough that=20
it made me crazy.) As I see it, there are 3 primary issues in making a =
choice as=20
to how to go about this:


 


(1)   If you=92re =
currently=20
relying on items such as =93Where the Big Money=92s Flowing,=94 =
=93Weekend Review=94 and=20
=93Screen of the Day=94 to find candidates, what=92s behind the =
numbers? How=20
would I go about finding strength if I were doing it myself? How do I =
know if a=20
stock is a =93CANSLIM candidate=94 and how do I find them?


(2)   What is more =
important=20
when looking for strength, fundamentals or technicals? When is it more=20
appropriate to use one vs the other? What emphasis should I place on =
each of=20
them when mining? When sorting and/or whittling down a list of potential =

candidates?


(3)    What tools can  I use once I figure that out? =
Should=20
they be free or paid tools and what is the advantage/disadvantage to =
each of=20
them?


 


As you well know, =
mining for=20
candidates and keeping a pulse on the ebb and flow of the market is only =
a small=20
part of the CANSLIM process, but it nonetheless one of the most critical =
if=20
you=92re to generate consistent returns over long periods of time.


 


I=92ll post some =
additional detail=20
on each of the 3 items I outlined when I have some additional time. In =
the=20
meantime, I thought I=92d include the criteria for 3 of IBD=92s mining =
features as a=20
lead in to item (1). Notice that each of them has a very specific set of =

criteria for finding strength and also notice that if you had tools to =
do this=20
mining yourself, you wouldn=92t necessarily need to extract the info =
manually from=20
the paper or download it to an individual spreadsheet as with the Screen =
of the=20
Day.


 


Current Screen of the =
Day:


Up/Down Volume =
Leaders--These=20
stocks have the highest up/down volume ratio, which =
indicates buying=20
volume has exceeded selling volume in recent weeks. Stocks shown have an =
EPS Rating and Relative Price Strength Rating of at =
least 80=20
along an Accumulation/Distribution Rating of =
at least=20
B-.


The qualification criteria for listing in 'Where The Big Money's =
Flowing=20
Now:' 


Stocks that show on the list are moving up or down in price with =
daily volume=20
at a significant percentage of the average daily volume.


    
  
  • Stocks=20
  must trade on the Nasdaq or New York Stock Exchange. 
    • 
  
  • Stock=20
  price must be at least $20.00 ($16.00 for Nasdaq). 
    • 
  
  • Stocks=20
  must have a price change of 1/2 point or more. 
    • 
  
  • 50-day=20
  Average Volume must be a minimum of 60,000 shares. 
    • 
  
  • For=20
  stocks up in price only, the Earnings Per Share (EPS) and Relative =
Price=20
  Strength (RS) Ratings must each be a minimum of 70, =
Accumulation/Distribution=20
  Rating must be D+ or better and next year's earnings estimate must be =
15% or=20
  higher from the previous year's earnings. (Stocks without earnings =
estimates=20
  are included.) 


The qualification =
criteria for=20
the Weekend Review (Friday's IBD):


All stocks above $10, =
within 15%=20
of 12-month high, EPS Rating and RS Rating of 85 or more and average =
daily=20
volume of 10,0000 or more are shown in order of Industry Group RS =
Rating.


 


 


--Katherine



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  John=20
  Calkins 
  
  
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 =
8:10=20
  AM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show =
me BIG=20
  MONEY

  


  

  
Hi Katherine, 

  
It really is good to hear from you! You somehow bring things into=20
  perspective. 

  
I understand the piling up of the papers and the hours of manual =
mining. I=20
  must say I have learned as much from you and this group as I have from =
the=20
  paper in a fraction of the time. 

  
I used to run a large computer user club back in the early 80's. I =
have for=20
  years gone door to door helping my family, friends, neighbors, =
co-workers and=20
  computer enthusiasts discover a better way to use their computers. My=20
  employers have tapped my talents many times, and all along I have =
enjoyed it=20
  tremendously. I got interested in individual stock investing when =
these great=20
  retired people would fill my head with investing terms as I replaced a =
hard=20
  drive for them in their home....no cost...just because I liked to =
visit and it=20
  became a trade that they knew I accepted. They would talk about The =
Dow Theory=20
  and show me some graphs, or some Ameritrade software before the =
internet was=20
  called WWW or Dog of the Dow. Then someone asked me about IBD and I =
have been=20
  absolutely absorbed in it ever since. I do believe I need to move on =
and use=20
  my time more wisely though. I now have a base to start from, much as =
you have=20
  said in the past. I believe that everyone truly interested in stock =
investing=20
  at some point should take out a subscription at least long enough to =
get to=20
  the next level or maybe know how to measure there success.=20
  

  
I can really appreciate your involvement in this group. It's your =
ability=20
  to teach others and at the some time add knowledge to enhance your own =

  understanding that is what is so compelling here. I truly appreciate =
your=20
  input to this group.

  
Katherine, I would have a difficult time without IBD right now. =
Like you=20
  say, The Big Picture is worth the cost of the paper at least for a =
while=20
  longer. I pin it up in front of my Nordic-Trac for 40 min each =
morning,=20
  killing two birds. I am having a hard time understanding just how you =
actually=20
  start your lists. Maybe I need to re-read your posts some more, but =
IBD=92s=20
  screens at least have sorted lists following CANSLIM. I have seen =
their=20
  screens printed Forbes. I see your references to BIG MONEY, but =
without using=20
  IBD=92s Big Money screens, how do you get started with a manageable =
list? I=20
  guess I still feel that I need some hand holding here. =


  
I have stopped recording all the mini chart symbols, I saw the =
correlation=20
  and bias such as you say. Now All I record is all the Big Money on =
both=20
  exchanges and use and excel sheet macro that one of the members came =
up with=20
  to sort the Screen of the Day. I just use the "Number of Times" =
appeared in=20
  the Big Money to sort my list then head straight for the charts when =
the=20
  market looks better simply starting at the top of the list and =
spending most=20
  of my time reading charts from Investors.com. Like everyone else, this =
group=20
  is becoming and index for me to decide if I want to run the screen. I =
then use=20
  The Screen of the Day and Stock Checkup to double check after I look =
at the=20
  chart

  
But if there is an easier way to find the big money, I guess I =
haven't=20
  understood it quite yet, or maybe if I put the paper down long enough =
and try=20
  some of these sites you and others suggest, I might see the light. I =
just want=20
  to try to correlate the data online to what is showing with the IBD =
data.

  
For those who don=92t really understand The Big Money, it simply is =
IBD=92s=20
  proprietary screen of high quality stocks that institutional investors =
might=20
  be buying with high Relative Price Strength and high IBD Earnings =
Ratings that=20
  might be climbing the right side of the cup, indicating that the chart =
should=20
  be looked at.

  
JC

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    From:=20
    Katherine=20
    Malm 
    
    
Sent: Sunday, November 17, =
2002 9:02=20
    PM

    
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK =
Show me BIG=20
    MONEY

    


    
Hi John,

    
 

    
I think the use of the IBD vs other free or paid services is =
more than=20
    anything a matter of style and preference. There are many here on =
the=20
    CANSLIM list who use the IBD exclusively for finding investment =
candidates,=20
    others who practice the CANSLIM and or growth style of investing but =
use=20
    other tools, and still others who use the IBD and/or DGO in =
combination with=20
    other paid services. I still read the IBD's Big Picture via the web =
each day=20
    and utilize the numerous educational features they provide, but I =
let the=20
    papers pile up for about a month before I read them these days, as =
all of my=20
    day to day mining and news monitoring is done via other free and =
paid=20
    services. I personally found the IBD too time consuming to use as a=20
    methodical mining tool and it didn't allow me to track the ebb and =
flow of=20
    the market without being influenced by their editorial bias. It's =
amazing=20
    how much information is available for free on the web these days, so =
it's=20
    entirely possible to mine and track good quality growth/CANSLIM =
candidates=20
    even without paid tools. Regardless of the choice, I still think the =
real=20
    secret to successful investing is using a disciplined approach and a =

    methodical/consistent methodology. I think most would be hard =
pressed to=20
    argue any one tool was "better" than another, just "better for =
you."

    
 

    
Katherine

    
      
----- Original Message ----- =


      From:=20
      John=20
      Calkins 
      
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
      

      
Sent: Sunday, November 17, =
2002 10:17=20
      PM

      
Subject: [CANSLIM] OK Show =
me BIG=20
      MONEY

      

OK!  Some say IBD is invaluable.  Others =
say it=20
      BS.  So show me how I can
find Where The Big Moneys=20
      Flow......OOps,  I mean Going with out using the
screen in =
the=20
      paper and without buying some other =
service.

JC


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From: "Charles & Lois Layne" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting & Dividends
Date: 24 Nov 2002 21:30:43 -0500

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In theory, perhaps.  But there are several factors to consider.  Can one =
cover at the x-div price?  Will there even be an x-div price in a rising =
market (whether short or long term)?  Will the short seller even be =
paying attention to x-div information?

All of these are imponderables; what is a certainty is that the short =
seller must cover the dividends.  Personally, with so many non-dividend =
paying short candidates, why bother with stocks that carry a dividend?


Charles Layne


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Inn Ooi=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 2:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting & Dividends


  Someone mentioned about short sellers having to pay dividends, =
wouldn't stock price trading down at x-dividend date take care of this =
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In theory, perhaps.  But there are =
several=20
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there=20
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term)? =20
Will the short seller even be paying attention to x-div=20
information?


 


All of these are imponderables; what is =
a certainty=20
is that the short seller must cover the dividends.  Personally, =
with so=20
many non-dividend paying short candidates, why bother with stocks that =
carry a=20
dividend?


 


 


Charles Layne


 


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Inn =
Ooi=20

  
  
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 =
2:49=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting =
&=20
  Dividends

  


  
Someone mentioned about short sellers =
having to=20
  pay dividends, wouldn't stock price trading down at x-dividend =
date take=20
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  (assuming one covers that same day?)

  
 

  
 


 


 


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] NXTL, SXT
Date: 24 Nov 2002 21:41:14 -0500

Chris,

SXT doesn't grab me, looks to boring, and the 5 year PE range of 10-20
confirms this. The chart doesn't give me any strong signal that it is ready
to break out and make a significant move. On the other hand, it does pay a
yield of 2.3% on the dividend.

NXTL as I mentioned in my Weeview looks to me to be trying a stealth b/o on
light volume. Market seems to like the fact it has finally turned
profitable, and both earnings and sales are growing. Funds ownership is
huge, but their decline in holdings appears to have reversed last quarter.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 5:14 PM


Looking for a little feed back, but heres my thoughts, thinking about buying
these two Mon.
SXT 84/90 BAA, I like the chart, not too extended at this point. Volume has
been slightly higher but not real great. Earning are good and they have been
buying smaller companies that will provide some synergies. I know there are
47 mil shares outstanding but do not know what the float is, if anyone has a
link to where I can find the float on different companies please post,
thanks.

NXTL 80/99 ADA, chart also looks good, earnings are getting better, and the
company is doing a good job of paying down dept.

Any feed back is appreciated.

Thanks Chris

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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting & Dividends
Date: 24 Nov 2002 21:43:24 -0500

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A larger payout may result if one becomes the object of  a "short =
SQUEEZE".=20
That could really hurt!=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Charles & Lois Layne=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting & Dividends


  In theory, perhaps.  But there are several factors to consider.  Can =
one cover at the x-div price?  Will there even be an x-div price in a =
rising market (whether short or long term)?  Will the short seller even =
be paying attention to x-div information?

  All of these are imponderables; what is a certainty is that the short =
seller must cover the dividends.  Personally, with so many non-dividend =
paying short candidates, why bother with stocks that carry a dividend?


  Charles Layne


    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Inn Ooi=20
    To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 2:49 PM
    Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting & Dividends


    Someone mentioned about short sellers having to pay dividends, =
wouldn't stock price trading down at x-dividend date take care of this =
to a certain degree, so the net effect would be nil (assuming one covers =
that same day?)





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That could really hurt! 



  
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Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 =
9:30=20
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Shorting =
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stocks that=20
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Sent: Sunday, November 24, =
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From: Vanchee1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] NXTL, SXT
Date: 24 Nov 2002 22:03:41 EST

Tom, thanks for the feedback. I like to hear others opinion it seems to help 
me.

Chris.

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From: "Bill King" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 24 Nov 2002 22:06:56 -0500

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Hi Katherine, Tom and others,

As a generally non-contributing lurker on this board, but extremely
interested investor, I continue to learn a great deal from you and the other
knowledgeable contributors. I look forward to your monthly Hunting List and
Tom’s weekly list to compare with what I get from my screening.

Thanks,
Bill King

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:49 AM

Hi All,

I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:

http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls ( a bit slow to
load)
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip ( a zipped
version for download)
*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for
Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you will
not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for a free viewer.

In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward growth rate
of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS at least
60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the 200 day SMA.
This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for CANSLIM quality
stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM guidelines, you can use
the autofilter feature in each column and view only Price>=$12 (or 15) and
AvgVol>=100000.) Other information included is industry name (slightly
different than DGO's names, but close enough!), price, avg vol, and  links
to graphs and due diligence sites on the internet. This month I've also
added links to Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock which displays
U/D volume, RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a
couple of additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion with
Eric J regarding relative outperformance of certain stocks and strength of
potential and current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line
since the 10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been
going up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to the market),
it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to show the % off
the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on such things. Also
note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy to
overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but others include a list
of stocks dropped from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a sheet
with misc. links for free info on the web.

If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it at:

http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or
http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip

This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list I
posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell from the
list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. Though rotation
on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of repeats does show
some marked improvement over what I've seen in the last year. It's an
encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of defensive names
such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) and into growth areas
such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of particular
note this month is the high representation of media stocks. As a sign of
*economic* strength (though not necessarily market strength), this is very
important. 19 names show on the list and represent both print and broadcast
media. AOL also announced recently that they see a strengthening demand for
advertising. This is an important sign, because media is typically one of
the strong sectors leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the
market is a discounting mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with
good representation are telecom (select cellular and equipment companies),
computer services and business services. I don't see it as particularly
troubling that more retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks
have dominated over the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be
out of the question there would be a substantial secular shift to capital
goods and other quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech supports many
industries and great growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from
consumer related businesses (though it is true many growth companies do
typically come from innovative retailers.) It's also interesting to me that
Biotech is well represented on this month's list with 14 names. While this
is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to see institutional money flow to
it. Many believe biotech will be the most important growth industry going
forward. I am also not troubled by the flow of money *out* of homebuilders
and related stocks. Again, the market is a discounting mechanism. That means
that if money is flowing out of this sector, the growth in housing, etc.will
decline. People may not be building new houses at a pace equal to the last
10-15 years in the future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that the consumer
will no longer be healthy and spend money. The laborers and supporting
businesses will shift to other industries as a result in the same way that
they did when the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's. Take a trip to
Houston today and you'll find it a far different city than it was at that
time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse group of businesses
than 20 years ago.

With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly not
perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of hunting
candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully populated with
innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may be in for an
intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a jungle out
there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!

One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list stocks
such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to tell if the
spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to continue to
spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no way to monitor
the number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback to gauge the
value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from
time to time given the amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend
Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a pulse point.

Happy Hunting,
Katherine

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Tom and others,



 



As=
 a
generally non-contributing lurker on this board, but extremely =
interested
investor, I continue to learn a great deal from you and the other =
knowledgeable
contributors. I look forward to your monthly Hunting List and =
Tom’s weekly list
to compare with what I get from my =
screening.



 



Th=
anks,



Bi=
ll King



 



-----Original
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm

Sent: Sunday, November =
24, 2002
11:49 AM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: [CANSLIM] =
CANSLIM Hunting
List Updated 11/22/02



 



Hi =
All,<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


I've uploaded
the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls
( a bit slow to load)



http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip (
a zipped version for download)<=
/p>


*Please note
that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for Windows. If =
you have
older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you will not be able to =
view them
properly. If you do not have Excel, see http://=
office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for
a free viewer.



 <=
/p>


In =
order to
make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward growth rate of at =
least
15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS at least 60, no =
more than
15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the 200 day SMA. This is what =
I
consider to be "bare bones" requirements for CANSLIM quality =
stocks.
(Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM guidelines, you can use the
autofilter feature in each column and view only Price>=3D$12 (or 15) =
and
AvgVol>=3D100000.) Other information included is industry name =
(slightly
different than DGO's names, but close enough!), price, avg vol, and =
 links
to graphs and due diligence sites on the internet. This month I've also =
added
links to Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock which displays =
U/D
volume, RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a =
couple of
additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J
regarding relative outperformance of certain stocks and strength of =
potential
and current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line since =
the 10/10
market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been going up =
since
that date (indicating outperformance relative to the market), it is =
indicated
with a "+". I've also included a column to show the % off the =
52 week
high for those that keep their eye focused on such things. Also note =
that there
are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy to overlook. The first =
sheet
has the listed stocks, but others include a list of stocks dropped from =
the
list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a sheet with misc. links for =
free info
on the web.



 <=
/p>


If =
you'd like
to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it =
at:<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or<=
/font><=
/p>


http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


This month
there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the =
list I
posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125 =
 names
fell from the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are =
repeats.
Though rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of =
repeats
does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the last year. =
It's an
encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of defensive =
names
such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) and into =
growth
areas such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of =
particular
note this month is the high representation of media stocks. As a sign of
*economic* strength (though not necessarily market strength), this is =
very
important. 19 names show on the list and represent both print and =
broadcast
media. AOL also announced recently that they see a strengthening demand =
for
advertising. This is an important sign, because media is typically one =
of the
strong sectors leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the =
market is a
discounting mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with good
representation are telecom (select cellular and equipment companies), =
computer
services and business services. I don't see it as particularly troubling =
that
more retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have =
dominated over
the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the =
question
there would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and other
quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech supports many industries and =
great
growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from consumer related =
businesses
(though it is true many growth companies do typically come from =
innovative
retailers.) It's also interesting to me that Biotech is well represented =
on
this month's list with 14 names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is
encouraging to see institutional money flow to it. Many believe biotech =
will be
the most important growth industry going forward. I am also not troubled =
by the
flow of money *out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the =
market is a
discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing out of this =
sector,
the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may not be building new =
houses
at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in the future, but it's a =
fallacy to
conclude that the consumer will no longer be healthy and spend money. =
The
laborers and supporting businesses will shift to other industries as a =
result
in the same way that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the =
early
'80's. Take a trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different =
city
than it was at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more =
diverse
group of businesses than 20 years ago.<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


With a
follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly not =
perfect,
and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of hunting
candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully populated =
with
innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may be in for an
intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a jungle out
there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell =
rules!!<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


One last
note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list stocks such =
as
this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to tell if the =
spreadsheet
is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to continue to spend the =
time it
takes to prepare each month. As there is no way to monitor the number of
downloads, I'll need some individual feedback to gauge the value to the =
list.
Tom Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from time to time =
given the
amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am =
following his
lead to get a pulse point.<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


Happy
Hunting,



Katherine<=
/p>








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From: "Bert Rodriguez" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 24 Nov 2002 22:03:46 -0600

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Dear folks - I am a small independent investor in Dallas.  I've been
following the CANSLIM group for almost two years and have learned a
tremendous amount from those of you who have been persistently willing share
your input.

It's difficult to decide when it's time to say a few positive words of
appreciation to those of you who obviously understand so much more than I do
about individual investment strategies.  However, timid as my effort is, I
want to stress my appreciation for those of your who spend the time to share
your knowledge and experiences in helping the rest of us understand a little
more each day about personal investing.  Certainly Tom Worley and Katherine
Malm (among many others) deserve my sincere appreciation.

Thanks so much to all of you...

Bert Rodriguez

Tom Worley and Katherine Malm
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
  Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:49 AM
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02


  Hi All,

  I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:

  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls ( a bit slow to
load)
  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip ( a zipped
version for download)
  *Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for
Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you will
not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for a free viewer.

  In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward growth
rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS at
least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the 200 day
SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for CANSLIM
quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM guidelines, you
can use the autofilter feature in each column and view only Price>=$12 (or
15) and AvgVol>=100000.) Other information included is industry name
(slightly different than DGO's names, but close enough!), price, avg vol,
and  links to graphs and due diligence sites on the internet. This month
I've also added links to Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock which
displays U/D volume, RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also
added a couple of additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion
with Eric J regarding relative outperformance of certain stocks and strength
of potential and current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line
since the 10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been
going up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to the market),
it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to show the % off
the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on such things. Also
note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy to
overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but others include a list
of stocks dropped from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a sheet
with misc. links for free info on the web.

  If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it at:

  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or
  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip

  This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list I
posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell from the
list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. Though rotation
on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of repeats does show
some marked improvement over what I've seen in the last year. It's an
encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of defensive names
such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) and into growth areas
such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of particular
note this month is the high representation of media stocks. As a sign of
*economic* strength (though not necessarily market strength), this is very
important. 19 names show on the list and represent both print and broadcast
media. AOL also announced recently that they see a strengthening demand for
advertising. This is an important sign, because media is typically one of
the strong sectors leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the
market is a discounting mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with
good representation are telecom (select cellular and equipment companies),
computer services and business services. I don't see it as particularly
troubling that more retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks
have dominated over the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be
out of the question there would be a substantial secular shift to capital
goods and other quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech supports many
industries and great growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from
consumer related businesses (though it is true many growth companies do
typically come from innovative retailers.) It's also interesting to me that
Biotech is well represented on this month's list with 14 names. While this
is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to see institutional money flow to
it. Many believe biotech will be the most important growth industry going
forward. I am also not troubled by the flow of money *out* of homebuilders
and related stocks. Again, the market is a discounting mechanism. That means
that if money is flowing out of this sector, the growth in housing, etc.will
decline. People may not be building new houses at a pace equal to the last
10-15 years in the future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that the consumer
will no longer be healthy and spend money. The laborers and supporting
businesses will shift to other industries as a result in the same way that
they did when the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's. Take a trip to
Houston today and you'll find it a far different city than it was at that
time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse group of businesses
than 20 years ago.

  With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly not
perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of hunting
candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully populated with
innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may be in for an
intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a jungle out
there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!

  One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list
stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to tell
if the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to
continue to spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no
way to monitor the number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback
to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same
sentiment from time to time given the amount of effort he puts into his
weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a pulse point.

  Happy Hunting,
  Katherine

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following=20
the CANSLIM group for almost two years and have learned a =
tremendous=20
amount from those of you who have been persistently willing share your=20
input.  


 


It's=20
difficult to decide when it's time to say a few positive words of =
appreciation=20
to those of you who obviously understand so much more than I do about =
individual=20
investment strategies.  However, timid as my effort is, =
I =
want to stress=20
my appreciation for those of your who spend the time to share your =
knowledge and=20
experiences in helping the rest of us understand a little more each day =
about=20
personal investing.  Certainly Tom Worley and Katherine Malm (among =
many=20
others) deserve my sincere appreciation.  


 


Thanks=20
so much to all of you...


 


Bert=20
Rodriguez


 


Tom Worley and Katherine=20
Malm



  
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From:=20
  owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine =

  Malm
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:49 AM
To:=20
  canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM =
Hunting List=20
  Updated 11/22/02


  

  

  
Hi All,

  
 

  
I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:

  
 

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls=20
  ( a bit slow to load)

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip (=20
  a zipped version for download)

  
*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel =
2000 for=20
  Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you =
will=20
  not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see http://=
office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for=20
  a free viewer.

  
 

  

  
In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward =
growth=20
  rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS =
at=20
  least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the =
200 day=20
  SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for =
CANSLIM=20
  quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM guidelines, =
you can=20
  use the autofilter feature in each column and view only =
Price>=3D$12 (or 15)=20
  and AvgVol>=3D100000.) Other information included is industry name =
(slightly=20
  different than DGO's names, but close enough!), price, avg vol, and=20
   links to graphs and due diligence sites on the internet. This =
month I've=20
  also added links to Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock =
which=20
  displays U/D volume, RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've =
also added=20
  a couple of additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion =
with=20
  Eric J regarding relative outperformance of certain stocks and =
strength of=20
  potential and current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS =
Line=20
  since the 10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) =
has=20
  been going up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to =
the=20
  market), it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to =
show the %=20
  off the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on such =
things.=20
  Also note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy =
to=20
  overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but others include a =
list of=20
  stocks dropped from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a =
sheet with=20
  misc. links for free info on the web.

  
 

  
If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find =
it=20
  at:

  
 

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or

  
http:=
//WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip

  
 

  
This month there are 476 names, up a whopping =
105 names=20
  from the list I posted last month just after the FTD.  This=20
  month, 125  names fell from the list, 230 new names came on =
board=20
  and 246 names are repeats. Though rotation on the list is still fairly =
severe,=20
  the large number of repeats does show some marked improvement over =
what I've=20
  seen in the last year. It's an encouraging sign that money seems to =
continue=20
  to flow out of defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare=20
  (hospitals/HMO's) and into growth areas such as Healthcare=20
  equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of particular note this =
month is=20
  the high representation of media stocks. As a sign of *economic* =
strength=20
  (though not necessarily market strength), this is very important. 19 =
names=20
  show on the list and represent both print and broadcast media. AOL =
also=20
  announced recently that they see a strengthening demand for =
advertising. This=20
  is an important sign, because media is typically one of the strong =
sectors=20
  leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the market is a =
discounting=20
  mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with good representation =
are=20
  telecom (select cellular and equipment companies), computer services =
and=20
  business services. I don't see it as particularly troubling that more=20
  retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have dominated =
over the=20
  past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the =
question there=20
  would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and other =
quasi-cyclical=20
  sectors in the future. Tech supports many industries and great growth =
stocks=20
  don't necessarily have to come from consumer related businesses =
(though it is=20
  true many growth companies do typically come from innovative =
retailers.) It's=20
  also interesting to me that Biotech is well represented on this =
month's list=20
  with 14 names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to =
see=20
  institutional money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the most=20
  important growth industry going forward. I am also not troubled by the =
flow of=20
  money *out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the market is a =

  discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing out of this =
sector,=20
  the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may not be building =
new houses=20
  at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in the future, but it's a =
fallacy to=20
  conclude that the consumer will no longer be healthy and spend money. =
The=20
  laborers and supporting businesses will shift to other industries as a =
result=20
  in the same way that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the =
early=20
  '80's. Take a trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different =
city=20
  than it was at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more =
diverse=20
  group of businesses than 20 years ago.

  
 

  
With a follow-through day under our belts, decent =
(though certainly=20
  not perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a =
list of=20
  hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully =
populated=20
  with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may be in =
for an=20
  intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a jungle out=20
  there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!

  
 

  
One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a =
list=20
  stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to =
tell if=20
  the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to =
continue to=20
  spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no way to =
monitor=20
  the number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback to gauge =
the value=20
  to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from =
time to=20
  time given the amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend =
Weeview, so I=20
  am following his lead to get a pulse point.

  
 

  
Happy Hunting,

  
Katherine


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 24 Nov 2002 23:12:32 -0500

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Thanks Bert, and all the others that find value in our postings. I also =
learn daily from the group, as well as from the market itself. It is a =
humbling experience to think I know so much, and discover just how =
little I really understand, and how much more there is to learn.

The lack of regular feedback, questions, challenges, etc. make it hard =
to know if what I write every Saturday is of use, or on target. But =
since I write it for me, then share it with the group, I will keep =
writing it as long as no one objects.=20

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Dear folks - I am a small independent investor in Dallas.  I've been =
following the CANSLIM group for almost two years and have learned a =
tremendous amount from those of you who have been persistently willing =
share your input. =20

It's difficult to decide when it's time to say a few positive words of =
appreciation to those of you who obviously understand so much more than =
I do about individual investment strategies.  However, timid as my =
effort is, I want to stress my appreciation for those of your who spend =
the time to share your knowledge and experiences in helping the rest of =
us understand a little more each day about personal investing.  =
Certainly Tom Worley and Katherine Malm (among many others) deserve my =
sincere appreciation. =20

Thanks so much to all of you...

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Thanks Bert, and all the others that find value =
in our=20
postings. I also learn daily from the group, as well as from the market =
itself.=20
It is a humbling experience to think I know so much, and discover just =
how=20
little I really understand, and how much more there is to =
learn.


 


The lack of regular feedback, questions, =
challenges, etc.=20
make it hard to know if what I write every Saturday is of use, or on =
target. But=20
since I write it for me, then share it with the group, I will keep =
writing it as=20
long as no one objects. 


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Bert =
Rodriguez=20




Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:03 PM


Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated=20
11/22/02





Dear=20
folks - I am a small independent investor in Dallas.  I've been =
following=20
the CANSLIM group for almost two years and have learned a =
tremendous=20
amount from those of you who have been persistently willing share your=20
input.  


 


It's=20
difficult to decide when it's time to say a few positive words of =
appreciation=20
to those of you who obviously understand so much more than I do about =
individual=20
investment strategies.  However, timid as my effort is, =
I =
want to stress=20
my appreciation for those of your who spend the time to share your =
knowledge and=20
experiences in helping the rest of us understand a little more each day =
about=20
personal investing.  Certainly Tom Worley and Katherine Malm (among =
many=20
others) deserve my sincere appreciation.  


 


Thanks=20
so much to all of you...


 


Bert=20
Rodriguez


 


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From: Spencer48@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 25 Nov 2002 00:39:28 EST

Andy:

     I believe I read in Barron's that the "bullish newsletter advisors" are 
those who are long term bulls-even though they may be short term and even 
intermediate term bears.  The conclusion I came to is that the distinction 
between bullish and bearish advisors is that the bearish ones believe that 
the market is headed for a long term (ie. more than 6 months) bear market; 
the bulls on the other hand think that-even though there might be bear 
corrections-a long term bull (with a duration of over 6 months) will come 
before the beginning of another long term bear will.  

     As far as your "gaming" comment, in general, I think less of the SEC 
than I do of independent advisors even though your comment may imply the 
opposite.   As for the AAII survey, it seems that your "cause and effect" is 
out of focus: it is not merely the "vote" of bearishness that causes the 
market to rally, it is the despondancy of investors due to a bear market that 
causes them to "vote" bearish, and which then leads (due to a turnabout in 
investor psychology and a lot of money on the sidelines) into a bull market.  

     By the way, it is ironically funny that the advisors, referred to in 
your E-mail, are accused of "gaming" the system with their dissemblings, when 
later it is suggested by you that you vote "bearish" just so that the market 
will turn into a bull.  

jans


In a message dated 11/23/2002 11:02:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
AJAskey@aol.com writes:

<< Here's a question:  who are these 50% bullish advisors?  I can't find 
anyone 
 who is really bullish.  Some, like me, are bullish now but will change in a 
 heartbeat if M turns against us.  But who besides Joe Battapaglia is really 
 bullish?  Don Hays says he is bullish be he has raise 11% cash in the past 
 few months (data from his site at 
http://www.haysmarketfocus.com).
 
 Could it be that these investment advisors are hurting for clients and would 
 be committing career suicide by admitting bearishness?  How 'bout the AAII 
 survey. I vote bearish in that every week because everyone likes the number 
 low.  I'm just doing my part and I wonder how many are doing the same.  
These 
 two surveys appear to me to be one of the easiest things to game without 
fear 
 of the SEC. 
  
In a message dated 11/23/2002 7:35:08 PM Central Standard Time, 
Spencer48@aol.com writes:  
> What gives me pause about the near future strength of the market is 
> this:  The Investor's Intelligence Bullish Advisors are at 50%; the Bearish 
> 
> Advisors are below 30%.  These %s are very near bearish levels (based on 
> past 
> experience with the percentages).  This indicator, by the way, is in a 
> graphic at the bottom of The Big Picture page in IBD. >>

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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 25 Nov 2002 01:05:47 EST

In a message dated 11/24/2002 3:36:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
kmalm@earthlink.net writes:

<>
 

     F-U-N-N-Y! (And unfortunately true about needing a magnifying glass to 
view [and not just glance at] iBD's stock tables)

jans

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jans,


>      As far as your "gaming" comment, in general, I think less of the SEC 
> than I do of independent advisors even though your comment may imply the 
> opposite.   As for the AAII survey, it seems that your "cause and effect" 
> is 
> out of focus: it is not merely the "vote" of bearishness that causes the 
> market to rally, it is the despondancy of investors due to a bear market 
> that 
> causes them to "vote" bearish, and which then leads (due to a turnabout in 
> investor psychology and a lot of money on the sidelines) into a bull 
> market.  
> 

I contend in the short term that it is the final vote tally that matters.  I 
think it is a case of the tail wagging the dog.  If the vote says people are 
bearish then a large amount of money comes into the system.  If the total 
comes out bullish then the Joe Average investor has been conditioned to 
become bearish over the last couple years.

Are the voters bullish now?  I see no evidence from the poll that leads me to 
think this is true other than people say so.  The short interest levels 
listed in IBD show that we are at much higher levels than in July so people 
are shorting the rallies and not covering (it's off the high but the level 
now is much higher than it goes when the market is really bullish).  The 
Commitment of Traders report of the S&P500 futures shows more shorts than 
longs (especially on the retail side).  I don't know anyone in person or on 
the net who is go-go bullish.  Those polls work on the sheep because the 
sheep do as they are told.


>      By the way, it is ironically funny that the advisors, referred to in 
> your E-mail, are accused of "gaming" the system with their dissemblings, 
> when 
> later it is suggested by you that you vote "bearish" just so that the 
> market 
> will turn into a bull.  
> 

I thought it was funny too.  That's why I wrote it :)

Andy

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jans,






     As far as your "gaming" comment, in general, I think less of the SEC 

than I do of independent advisors even though your comment may imply the 

opposite.   As for the AAII survey, it seems that your "cause and effect" is 

out of focus: it is not merely the "vote" of bearishness that causes the 

market to rally, it is the despondancy of investors due to a bear market that 

causes them to "vote" bearish, and which then leads (due to a turnabout in 

investor psychology and a lot of money on the sidelines) into a bull market.  






I contend in the short term that it is the final vote tally that matters.  I think it is a case of the tail wagging the dog.  If the vote says people are bearish then a large amount of money comes into the system.  If the total comes out bullish then the Joe Average investor has been conditioned to become bearish over the last couple years.



Are the voters bullish now?  I see no evidence from the poll that leads me to think this is true other than people say so.  The short interest levels listed in IBD show that we are at much higher levels than in July so people are shorting the rallies and not covering (it's off the high but the level now is much higher than it goes when the market is really bullish).  The Commitment of Traders report of the S&P500 futures shows more shorts than longs (especially on the retail side).  I don't know anyone in person or on the net who is go-go bullish.  Those polls work on the sheep because the sheep do as they are told.






     By the way, it is ironically funny that the advisors, referred to in 

your E-mail, are accused of "gaming" the system with their dissemblings, when 

later it is suggested by you that you vote "bearish" just so that the market 

will turn into a bull.  






I thought it was funny too.  That's why I wrote it :)



Andy


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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me  BIG MONEY
Date: 25 Nov 2002 07:32:09 -0600

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Hi jans,

When I went to my first free 2 hour IBD seminar years ago, they were =
running a special on IBD subscriptions. I wanted to take advantage of =
it, so plunked down my money for a 2 year subscription. They said, "take =
any two books or tapes that you want" from their collection of IBD pubs. =
I selected a tape on Selling (GOLD!), but couldn't find anything else =
that I hadn't already purchased on my own when I started studying =
CANSLIM. I kid you not, they said "well, you can't go home empty handed, =
we need to find something for you as your second item," and then handed =
me.... a small ruler with magnifying glass across the middle!

See it at: http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/IBDMagnified.JPG  !!

Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY


  In a message dated 11/24/2002 3:36:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
  kmalm@earthlink.net writes:

  <>
  =20

       F-U-N-N-Y! (And unfortunately true about needing a magnifying =
glass to=20
  view [and not just glance at] iBD's stock tables)

  jans

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Hi jans,


 


When I went to my first free 2 hour IBD seminar years ago, they =
were=20
running a special on IBD subscriptions. I wanted to take advantage of =
it, so=20
plunked down my money for a 2 year subscription. They said, "take any =
two books=20
or tapes that you want" from their collection of IBD pubs. I =
selected a=20
tape on Selling (GOLD!), but couldn't find anything else that I hadn't =
already=20
purchased on my own when I started studying CANSLIM. I kid you not, they =
said=20
"well, you can't go home empty handed, we need to find something for you =
as your=20
second item," and then handed me.... a small ruler with magnifying glass =
across=20
the middle!


 


See it at: http://WallSt=
reet-LLC.com/canslim/IBDMagnified.JPG =20
!!


 


Katherine


  
----- Original Message ----- 

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Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 =
12:05=20
  AM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show =
me BIG=20
  MONEY

  

In a message dated 11/24/2002 3:36:02 PM Eastern =
Standard Time,=20
  
kmalm@earthlink.net=20
  writes:

<>
 

     =
F-U-N-N-Y!=20
  (And unfortunately true about needing a magnifying glass to 
view =
[and not=20
  just glance at] iBD's stock tables)

jans

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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 25 Nov 2002 08:33:01 -0500

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Andy, some of us are voting with real money. And I would have to rate =
myself bullish (don't know about the go-go, tho) as I am not only fully =
invested but on margin, and looking to buy one more stock which will =
take me to max margin.=20

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:06 AM


jans,



       As far as your "gaming" comment, in general, I think less of the =
SEC=20
  than I do of independent advisors even though your comment may imply =
the=20
  opposite.   As for the AAII survey, it seems that your "cause and =
effect" is=20
  out of focus: it is not merely the "vote" of bearishness that causes =
the=20
  market to rally, it is the despondancy of investors due to a bear =
market that=20
  causes them to "vote" bearish, and which then leads (due to a =
turnabout in=20
  investor psychology and a lot of money on the sidelines) into a bull =
market. =20



I contend in the short term that it is the final vote tally that =
matters.  I think it is a case of the tail wagging the dog.  If the vote =
says people are bearish then a large amount of money comes into the =
system.  If the total comes out bullish then the Joe Average investor =
has been conditioned to become bearish over the last couple years.

Are the voters bullish now?  I see no evidence from the poll that leads =
me to think this is true other than people say so.  The short interest =
levels listed in IBD show that we are at much higher levels than in July =
so people are shorting the rallies and not covering (it's off the high =
but the level now is much higher than it goes when the market is really =
bullish).  The Commitment of Traders report of the S&P500 futures shows =
more shorts than longs (especially on the retail side).  I don't know =
anyone in person or on the net who is go-go bullish.  Those polls work =
on the sheep because the sheep do as they are told.



       By the way, it is ironically funny that the advisors, referred to =
in=20
  your E-mail, are accused of "gaming" the system with their =
dissemblings, when=20
  later it is suggested by you that you vote "bearish" just so that the =
market=20
  will turn into a bull. =20



I thought it was funny too.  That's why I wrote it :)

Andy

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Andy, some of us are voting with real money. And =
I would=20
have to rate myself bullish (don't know about the go-go, tho) as I am =
not only=20
fully invested but on margin, and looking to buy one more stock which =
will take=20
me to max margin. 


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: AJAskey@aol.com 



Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 8:06 AM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M



jans,



     As far as your "gaming" comment, =
in=20
  general, I think less of the SEC 
than I do of independent advisors =
even=20
  though your comment may imply the 
opposite.   As for the =
AAII=20
  survey, it seems that your "cause and effect" is 
out of focus: it =
is not=20
  merely the "vote" of bearishness that causes the 
market to rally, =
it is=20
  the despondancy of investors due to a bear market that 
causes them =
to=20
  "vote" bearish, and which then leads (due to a turnabout in =

investor=20
  psychology and a lot of money on the sidelines) into a bull =
market. =20
  


I contend in the short term that it is the final =
vote tally=20
that matters.  I think it is a case of the tail wagging the =
dog.  If=20
the vote says people are bearish then a large amount of money comes into =
the=20
system.  If the total comes out bullish then the Joe Average =
investor has=20
been conditioned to become bearish over the last couple =
years.

Are the=20
voters bullish now?  I see no evidence from the poll that leads me =
to think=20
this is true other than people say so.  The short interest levels =
listed in=20
IBD show that we are at much higher levels than in July so people are =
shorting=20
the rallies and not covering (it's off the high but the level now is =
much higher=20
than it goes when the market is really bullish).  The Commitment of =
Traders=20
report of the S&P500 futures shows more shorts than longs =
(especially on the=20
retail side).  I don't know anyone in person or on the net who is =
go-go=20
bullish.  Those polls work on the sheep because the sheep do as =
they are=20
told.



     By the way, it is ironically =
funny that=20
  the advisors, referred to in 
your E-mail, are accused of "gaming" =
the=20
  system with their dissemblings, when 
later it is suggested by you =
that you=20
  vote "bearish" just so that the market 
will turn into a =
bull. =20



I thought it was funny too.  That's why I =
wrote it=20
:)

Andy


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From: Tom Mc Dermitt 
Subject: re[2]: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 25 Nov 2002 10:13:28 -0500

Katherine:

I have been a "lurker" on the list for some time....I am typically short of time to do much researching
for CANSLIM candidates as well as the detailed analysis that must follow once I have identified a 
"suspect"  stock. Your spreadsheet will be a great "timesaver" for me as I utilize the CANSLIM 
method to identify, analyze, select, and purchase stocks using the CANSLIM method.

One other comment that I might make about this CANSLIM list is that the members seem to
be a conscientious, helping each other type group as opposed to a list of  "flamers"  who are
more adept at making gratuitious remarks than making a contribution to the general welfare of
the group!

Regards (and keep up the good work....it IS appreciated!

Tom Mc Dermitt


 >>  Oops...that should read "leading out of economic recessionary periods" not
 >>  "leading out of economic reversionary periods"
 >>  ----- Original Message ----- 
 >>  From: Katherine Malm 
 >>  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com 
 >>  Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:49 AM
 >>  Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02


 >>  Hi All,
 >>  
 >>  I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:
 >>  
 >>  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls ( a bit slow to
 >>  load)
 >>  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip ( a zipped
 >>  version for download)
 >>  *Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for
 >>  Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you
 >>  will not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see
 >>  http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for a free
 >>  viewer.
 >>  
 >>  In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward growth
 >>  rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS at
 >>  least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the 200
 >>  day SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for
 >>  CANSLIM quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM
 >>  guidelines, you can use the autofilter feature in each column and view
 >>  only Price>=$12 (or 15) and AvgVol>=100000.) Other information included
 >>  is industry name (slightly different than DGO's names, but close
 >>  enough!), price, avg vol, and  links to graphs and due diligence sites on
 >>  the internet. This month I've also added links to Mike's and (now my!)
 >>  cwhcharts for each stock which displays U/D volume, RS Rank, Comparative
 >>  RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a couple of additional columns as an
 >>  outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J regarding relative
 >>  outperformance of certain stocks and strength of potential and current
 >>  leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line since the 10/10
 >>  market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been going up
 >>  since that date (indicating outperformance relative to the market), it is
 >>  indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to show the % off the
 >>  52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on such things. Also
 >>  note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy to
 >>  overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but others include a
 >>  list of stocks dropped from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and
 >>  a sheet with misc. links for free info on the web.
 >>  
 >>  If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it at:
 >>  
 >>  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls or
 >>  http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip
 >>  
 >>  This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list I
 >>  posted last month just after the FTD. This month, 125  names fell from
 >>  the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. Though
 >>  rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of repeats
 >>  does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the last year.
 >>  It's an encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of
 >>  defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's)
 >>  and into growth areas such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and
 >>  Business Sevices. Of particular note this month is the high
 >>  representation of media stocks. As a sign of *economic* strength (though
 >>  not necessarily market strength), this is very important. 19 names show
 >>  on the list and represent both print and broadcast media. AOL also
 >>  announced recently that they see a strengthening demand for advertising.
 >>  This is an important sign, because media is typically one of the strong
 >>  sectors leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the market is a
 >>  discounting mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with good
 >>  representation are telecom (select cellular and equipment companies),
 >>  computer services and business services. I don't see it as particularly
 >>  troubling that more retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks
 >>  have dominated over the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would
 >>  be out of the question there would be a substantial secular shift to
 >>  capital goods and other quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech
 >>  supports many industries and great growth stocks don't necessarily have
 >>  to come from consumer related businesses (though it is true many growth
 >>  companies do typically come from innovative retailers.) It's also
 >>  interesting to me that Biotech is well represented on this month's list
 >>  with 14 names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to see
 >>  institutional money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the most
 >>  important growth industry going forward. I am also not troubled by the
 >>  flow of money *out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the market
 >>  is a discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing out of
 >>  this sector, the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may not be
 >>  building new houses at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in the
 >>  future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that the consumer will no longer
 >>  be healthy and spend money. The laborers and supporting businesses will
 >>  shift to other industries as a result in the same way that they did when
 >>  the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's. Take a trip to Houston
 >>  today and you'll find it a far different city than it was at that
 >>  time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse group of
 >>  businesses than 20 years ago.
 >>  
 >>  With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly not
 >>  perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of
 >>  hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully
 >>  populated with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may
 >>  be in for an intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a
 >>  jungle out there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!
 >>  
 >>  One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list
 >>  stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to
 >>  tell if the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to
 >>  continue to spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no
 >>  way to monitor the number of downloads, I'll need some individual
 >>  feedback to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed
 >>  the same sentiment from time to time given the amount of effort he puts
 >>  into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a
 >>  pulse point.
 >>  

 >>  Happy Hunting,
 >>  Katherine







Tom Mc Dermitt
PRC
941-925-3759 Phone
941-921-7524 Fax
prc@staffing.net
www.topechelon.com/fl46

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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 25 Nov 2002 07:37:44 -0800 (PST)

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 Katherine Malm  wrote:Oops...that should read "leading out of economic recessionary periods" not "leading out of economic reversionary periods"----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Malm To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:49 AMSubject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Hi All, I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to: http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls ( a bit slow to load)http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip ( a zipped version for download)*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you will not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for a free viewer. In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward growth rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS at least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the 200 day SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for CANSLIM quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM guidelines, you can use the autofilter feature in each column and view only Price>=$12 (or 15) and AvgVol>=100000.) Other information included is industry name (slightly different than DGO's names, but close enough!), price, avg vol, and  links to graphs and due diligence sites on the internet. This month I've also added links to Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock which displays U/D volume, RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a couple of additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J regarding relative outperformance of certain stocks and strength of potential and current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line since the 10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been going up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to the market), it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to show the % off the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on such things. Also note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy to overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but others include a list of stocks dropped from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a sheet with misc. links for free info on the web. If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it at: http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls orhttp://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list I posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell from the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. Though rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of repeats does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the last year. It's an encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) and into growth areas such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of particular note this month is the high representation of media stocks. As a sign of *economic* strength (though not necessarily market strength), this is very important. 19 names show on the list and represent both print and broadcast media. AOL also announced recently that they see a strengthening demand for advertising. This is an important sign, because media is typically one of the strong sectors leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the market is a discounting mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with good representation are telecom (select cellular and equipment companies), computer services and business services. I don't see it as particularly troubling that more retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have dominated over the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the question there would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and other quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech supports many industries and great growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from consumer related businesses (though it is true many growth companies do typically come from innovative retailers.) It's also interesting to me that Biotech is well represented on this month's list with 14 names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to see institutional money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the most important growth industry going forward. I am also not troubled by the flow of money *out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the market is a discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing out of this sector, the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may not be building new houses at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in the future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that the consumer will no longer be healthy and spend money. The laborers and supporting businesses will shift to other industries as a result in the same way that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's. Take a trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different city than it was at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse group of businesses than 20 years ago. With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly not perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully populated with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may be in for an intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a jungle out there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!! One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to tell if the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to continue to spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no way to monitor the number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from time to time given the amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a pulse point. Happy Hunting,Katherine


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 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> wrote:






Oops...that should read "leading out of economic recessionary periods" not "leading out of economic reversionary periods"




----- Original Message ----- 




Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:49 AM


Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02









Hi All,


 


I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:


 




*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you will not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx for a free viewer.


 




In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward growth rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS at least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the 200 day SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for CANSLIM quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM guidelines, you can use the autofilter feature in each column and view only Price>=$12 (or 15) and AvgVol>=100000.) Other information included is industry name (slightly different than DGO's names, but close enough!), price, avg vol, and  links to graphs and due diligence sites on the internet. This month I've also added links to Mike's and (now my!) cwhcharts for each stock which displays U/D volume, RS Rank, Comparative RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a couple of additional columns as an outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J regarding relative outperformance of certain stocks and strength of potential and current leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line since the 10/10 market low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been going up since that date (indicating outperformance relative to the market), it is indicated with a "+". I've also included a column to show the % off the 52 week high for those that keep their eye focused on such things. Also note that there are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy to overlook. The first sheet has the listed stocks, but others include a list of stocks dropped from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a sheet with misc. links for free info on the web.


 


If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it at:


 




 


This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list I posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell from the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. Though rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of repeats does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the last year. It's an encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) and into growth areas such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and Business Sevices. Of particular note this month is the high representation of media stocks. As a sign of *economic* strength (though not necessarily market strength), this is very important. 19 names show on the list and represent both print and broadcast media. AOL also announced recently that they see a strengthening demand for advertising. This is an important sign, because media is typically one of the strong sectors leading out of economic reversionary periods. As the market is a discounting mechanism, this then bodes well. Other areas with good representation are telecom (select cellular and equipment companies), computer services and business services. I don't see it as particularly troubling that more retailers don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have dominated over the past 20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the question there would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and other quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech supports many industries and great growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from consumer related businesses (though it is true many growth companies do typically come from innovative retailers.) It's also interesting to me that Biotech is well represented on this month's list with 14 names. While this is a high-risk sector, it is encouraging to see institutional money flow to it. Many believe biotech will be the most important growth industry going forward. I am also not troubled by the flow of money *out* of homebuilders and related stocks. Again, the market is a discounting mechanism. That means that if money is flowing out of this sector, the growth in housing, etc.will decline. People may not be building new houses at a pace equal to the last 10-15 years in the future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that the consumer will no longer be healthy and spend money. The laborers and supporting businesses will shift to other industries as a result in the same way that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's. Take a trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different city than it was at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse group of businesses than 20 years ago.


 


With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly not perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully populated with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may be in for an intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a jungle out there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!


 


One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to tell if the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to continue to spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no way to monitor the number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same sentiment from time to time given the amount of effort he puts into his weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a pulse point.


 


Happy Hunting,


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From: "Winston Little" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
Date: 25 Nov 2002 12:19:14 -0500

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From: "Mark Kerson" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
Date: 25 Nov 2002 12:30:09 -0500

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Hi, are you willing to describe what this is likely to mean for NWRE?  Does 31% of the float being
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Thanks, Mark


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10:14AM Neoware Systems squeeze possibly triggered by IBD mention ( NWRE
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triggered by Investors Business Daily mention that stock has "moved closer to its pivot point of
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Hi,
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Thanks,
Mark



 



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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
Date: 25 Nov 2002 14:34:09 -0500

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Thank you.

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short squeeze
1.
The pressure on short sellers to cover their positions as a result of sharp price increases or
difficulty in borrowing the security the sellers are short. The rush to cover produces additional
upward pressure on the price of the stock, which then causes an even greater squeeze. Also called
squeezing the shorts
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Hi, are you willing to describe what this is likely to mean for NWRE?  Does 31% of the float being
sold short mean that the price is likely to drop as they cover?

Thanks, Mark


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[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Winston Little
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:19 PM

A  possible short squeeze on Web Link  item????
10:14AM Neoware Systems squeeze possibly triggered by IBD mention ( NWRE
 ) 20.05 +2.30: -- Update -- Advance in stock said to be
triggered by Investors Business Daily mention that stock has "moved closer to its pivot point of
$18." ..... the technical breakout above its $19.50 one-yr high set Aug 29, which has triggered
major short-covering in the stock. Almost 31% of co's small 13 mln share float has been sold short.

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The pressure on short sellers to =
cover
their positions as a result of sharp price increases or difficulty in =
borrowing
the security the sellers are short. The rush to cover produces =
additional
upward pressure on the price of the stock, which then causes an even =
greater
squeeze. Also called squeezing the =
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Subject: RE:
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Hi, are you willing =
to
describe what this is likely to mean for NWRE?  Does 31% of the float being sold short mean that the =
price
is likely to drop as they cover? 



 



Thanks, =
Mark



 



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From: owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On
Behalf Of Winston Little

Sent: Monday, November =
25, 2002
12:19 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: [CANSLIM] SHORT =
SQUEEZE
???<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


A  possible short squeeze on Web Link  =
item????



10:14AM Neoware Systems squeeze possibly triggered by IBD mention =
(NWRE) 20.05 +2.30: -- Update -- =
Advance in
stock said to be triggered by Investors Business Daily mention that =
stock has
"moved closer to its pivot point of $18." ..... the =
technical
breakout above its $19.50 one-yr high set Aug 29, which has triggered =
major short-covering
in the stock. Almost 31% of co's small 13 mln share float has been sold =
short.












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From: Spencer48@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
Date: 25 Nov 2002 15:15:49 EST

Mark:

     When they cover that means they buy back the stock.  When there is a lot 
of demand for the stock (and many investing dollars want the stock 
immediately), the stock price will rise.

     So, to answer your question, the stock price will rise as they cover.

jans


In a message dated 11/25/2002 12:33:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
mkerson@dplus.net writes:

<< Hi, are you willing to describe what this is likely to mean for NWRE?  
Does 31% of the float being
 sold short mean that the price is likely to drop as they cover?
 
 Thanks, Mark >>

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From: "Mark Kerson" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
Date: 25 Nov 2002 16:05:20 -0500

That is very helpful. Thank you. Mark



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Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:16 PM

Mark:

     When they cover that means they buy back the stock.  When there is a
lot
of demand for the stock (and many investing dollars want the stock
immediately), the stock price will rise.

     So, to answer your question, the stock price will rise as they cover.

jans


In a message dated 11/25/2002 12:33:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mkerson@dplus.net writes:

<< Hi, are you willing to describe what this is likely to mean for NWRE?
Does 31% of the float being
 sold short mean that the price is likely to drop as they cover?

 Thanks, Mark >>

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From: "Winston Little" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
Date: 25 Nov 2002 16:13:48 -0500

Many times after "the squeezing" is over, the price will fall like a bad
soufflé.

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> That is very helpful. Thank you. Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:16 PM
> To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
>
> Mark:
>
>      When they cover that means they buy back the stock.  When there is a
> lot
> of demand for the stock (and many investing dollars want the stock
> immediately), the stock price will rise.
>
>      So, to answer your question, the stock price will rise as they cover.
>
> jans
>
>
> In a message dated 11/25/2002 12:33:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> mkerson@dplus.net writes:
>
> << Hi, are you willing to describe what this is likely to mean for NWRE?
> Does 31% of the float being
>  sold short mean that the price is likely to drop as they cover?
>
>  Thanks, Mark >>
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From: Gene Ricci 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Charts - Need Some Proof Readers
Date: 25 Nov 2002 16:37:27 -0600

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Need some help with critiquing / proof reading a chart primer that we =
completed a week or so ago. It focuses on support/resistance; trend =
lines and moving averages.=20

If any of you have some free time and would like to help, send me your =
email address (offline) to genr@swbell.net and I will send it to you =
(offline) for your critique. It's available in PowerPoint or Adobe.=20

**** This is not a commercial effort, it will be given to folks trying =
to learn how to better read charts ****

Gene





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Need some help with critiquing / proof =
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focuses on=20
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If any of you have some free time and =
would like=20
to help, send me your email address (offline) to genr@swbell.net and I will send =
it to you=20
(offline) for your critique. It's available in PowerPoint or=20
Adobe. 


 


**** This is not a commercial effort, =
it will be=20
given to folks trying to learn how to better read charts =
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Gene


 


 


 


 


 


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From: David McCord 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Avatar
Date: 25 Nov 2002 16:03:34 -0600

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We raised our equity allocation to 50% today in Datalynx and Skandia-

Kevin this probably doesn't make sense for Polaris people since we see
this as a likely short-term holding.

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Kevin =
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
Date: 25 Nov 2002 20:48:24 -0500

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my VR Fund is smiling, up 94% now on this sweet one.

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A  possible short squeeze on Web Link  item????

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20.05 +2.30: -- Update -- Advance in stock said to be triggered by =
Investors Business Daily mention that stock has "moved closer to its =
pivot point of $18." ..... the technical breakout above its $19.50 =
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Subject: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???







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Business=20
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From: AJAskey@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 25 Nov 2002 22:57:04 EST


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Tom,

Yeah, I noticed that a week or so ago.  I've been fully invested since the 
recent bottom in ETFs myself.  I got shaken out last week and am trying to 
find something that is not extended to back get into.  I got some PECS today 
and am watching a few more.  I think it is the right move but I don't know 
any retail traders who expect this to be more than a quick trade.  The 
internals look to me like real buying at this level but no one will believe 
me :)

I see you look for stocks in the cup to buy.  You may find these data sets 
that I compile useful:  Industries, Companies within Industries, and 
MoneyFlow.  These files provide industry strength,  the companies within the 
industries ranked by price strength, and my version on when the money is 
flowing.  There is a description file at the site or I will explain anything 
that is not obvious.

Andy

In a message dated 11/25/2002 7:36:03 AM Central Standard Time, 
stkguru@bellsouth.net writes:


> Andy, some of us are voting with real money. And I would have to rate myself 
> bullish (don't know about the go-go, tho) as I am not only fully invested 
> but on margin, and looking to buy one more stock which will take me to max 
> margin.


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Tom,



Yeah, I noticed that a week or so ago.  I've been fully invested since the recent bottom in ETFs myself.  I got shaken out last week and am trying to find something that is not extended to back get into.  I got some PECS today and am watching a few more.  I think it is the right move but I don't know any retail traders who expect this to be more than a quick trade.  The internals look to me like real buying at this level but no one will believe me :)



I see you look for stocks in the cup to buy.  You may find these data sets that I compile useful:  Industries, Companies within Industries, and MoneyFlow.  These files provide industry strength,  the companies within the industries ranked by price strength, and my version on when the money is flowing.  There is a description file at the site or I will explain anything that is not obvious.



Andy



In a message dated 11/25/2002 7:36:03 AM Central Standard Time, stkguru@bellsouth.net writes:






Andy, some of us are voting with real money. And I would have to rate myself bullish (don't know about the go-go, tho) as I am not only fully invested but on margin, and looking to buy one more stock which will take me to max margin.





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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was  M)
Date: 26 Nov 2002 08:46:22 -0600

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Hi Curt,

I'm of a mind that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, and =
as with most things it just takes practice to become proficient, just as =
you suggested. I still "practice" every day. One of the things I like so =
much about the CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up stocks =
that I personally have glossed over, but I use their mention of a stock =
to practice reading the chart more closely. As chart reading is such a =
visual process, I think anything that helps interpret the price/volume =
action is helpful. I'm fairly purist, and stick to the simplest of =
indicators, but I find that the pattern of the Up/Down volume helps =
summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of volume on up =
days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not a perfect =
indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little differently.

I've used the IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can =
see what I mean. See it at:
http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG

Another tool I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's =
Excel spreadsheet. It's designed to help you read the market, but can =
also be used to "read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and =
distribution day is marked with a color and is *very* easy to see =
patterns of accumulation and distribution (yellow/orange/red for =
distribution, green for accumulation). See the last year of the NASDAQ =
and you can see what I mean....plenty of red most of the year, but =
plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of the cup. See a =
sample at:
http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG. Bill's product is a =
moderately priced shareware program and I have no business affiliation =
with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool at =
http://www.market-tester.com

Katherine


----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:30 PM


Katherine,

=20

Thanks for your input.  Your help is invaluable.  I looked at the =
indices in TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.  I looked =
at the NASDAQ, S&P-500, and Russell 2000.  Here's what I found on all 3 =
charts.

=20

CMS:

MoneyStream stayed above it's linear regression line on the left side of =
the cup, on the right side of the cup, and during the BO.  However, it =
stayed below the linear regression line along the bottom of the cup and =
during the handle formation.

=20

TSV:

TSV stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the cup. =
 Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV plunged way below the zero line.  On =
the right side of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line again.  =
During the handle formation and the BO, TSV dipped down and back up =
again.

=20

I guess this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price =
action because there were no divergences.  Since you mentioned =
Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On Balance =
Volume and/or Balance of Power.  However, I haven't had much success =
with those indicators in the past.

=20

I'm trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you're =
certainly helping a great deal along with other members of this list.  =
Once again, thank you very much.

=20

Cheers,

Curt

=20

=20

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[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:58 PM

=20

Hi Curt,

=20

I don't think when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as =
the NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in the same way that =
it is on an individual stock. My take on it is simply that an index =
represents a huge number of individual stocks, and while the general =
price pattern will indicate a reversal of a trend or a general shift in =
psychology and pattern of buying and selling in the market, the volume =
doesn't really tell you the same story as it does in an individual =
stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to look for a =
pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher volume =
than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to =
look for the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an =
individual stock.

=20

Katherine

  ----- Original Message -----=20

  From: Curt Corley=20

  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20

  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:27 PM

  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M

  =20

  I'm glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in =
today's IBD.  I looked at the charts, and they did not appear to have =
rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the =
heaviest volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don't think =
the indices have shown great cwh characteristics.  However, I'm a novice =
at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my =
view. =20

  =20

  Curt

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:11 PM
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M

  =20

  Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from =
this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the =
handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on =
the parade!




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Hi Curt,


 


I'm of a mind that simple is better when it comes to reading =
charts, and as=20
with most things it just takes practice to become proficient, just as =
you=20
suggested. I still "practice" every day. One of the things I like so =
much about=20
the CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up stocks that I =
personally=20
have glossed over, but I use their mention of a stock to practice =
reading the=20
chart more closely. As chart reading is such a visual process, I think =
anything=20
that helps interpret the price/volume action is helpful. I'm fairly =
purist, and=20
stick to the simplest of indicators, but I find that the pattern of the =
Up/Down=20
volume helps summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of =
volume on=20
up days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not a perfect =

indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little differently.


 


I've used the IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you =
can see=20
what I mean. See it at:


http://Wallstree=
t-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG


 


Another tool I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill =
Lee's=20
Excel spreadsheet. It's designed to help you read the market, but can =
also be=20
used to "read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and distribution =
day is=20
marked with a color and is *very* easy to see patterns of accumulation =
and=20
distribution (yellow/orange/red for distribution, green for =
accumulation). See=20
the last year of the NASDAQ and you can see what I mean....plenty of red =
most of=20
the year, but plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of the =
cup. See=20
a sample at:


http://Wallst=
reet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG.=20
Bill's product is a moderately priced shareware program and I have no =
business=20
affiliation with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool =
at http://www.market-tester.com

 


Katherine


 


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Curt =
Corley=20




Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:30 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was M)







Katherine,


 


Thanks for =
your=20
input.  Your help is=20
invaluable.  I looked at =
the indices=20
in TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time =
Segmented=20
Volume.  I looked at the =
NASDAQ,=20
S&P-500, and Russell 2000. =20
Here=92s what I found on all 3 =
charts.


 


CMS:


MoneyStream stayed above =
it=92s linear regression line on the left side of =
the cup, on=20
the right side of the cup, and during the BO.  However, it stayed below the =
linear=20
regression line along the bottom of the cup and during the handle=20
formation.


 


TSV:


TSV stayed =
mainly above=20
the center line during the left-side of the cup.  Toward the bottom of the cup, =
TSV=20
plunged way below the zero line.  On=20
the right side of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line =
again.  During the handle formation =
and the BO,=20
TSV dipped down and back up again.


 


I guess this =
is=20
supposed to tell me that volume supported the price action because there =
were no=20
divergences.  Since you =
mentioned=20
Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On Balance =
Volume=20
and/or Balance of Power.  =
However, I=20
haven=92t had much success with those indicators in the=20
past.


 


I=92m trying =
to become=20
more proficient at chart reading, and you=92re certainly helping a great =
deal=20
along with other members of this list. =20
Once again, thank you very much.


 


Cheers,


Curt


 


 


-----Original=20
Message-----
From:=20
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
On Behalf Of Katherine=20
Malm
Sent:=20
Thursday, =
November 21,=20
2002 10:58=20
PM
To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M


 




Hi =
Curt,




 




I don't think when you're =
looking at=20
patterns on major indexes such as the NASDAQ that the pattern of volume =
would be=20
used in the same way that it is on an individual stock. My take on it is =
simply=20
that an index represents a huge number of individual stocks, and while =
the=20
general price pattern will indicate a reversal of a trend or a general =
shift in=20
psychology and pattern of buying and selling in the market, the volume =
doesn't=20
really tell you the same story as it does in an individual stock. In =
other=20
words, I think that it's more important to look for a pattern of =
accumulation=20
outpacing distribution (up days on higher volume than the previous day =
vs. down=20
days on higher volume), than it is to look for the "bathtub" volume =
pattern that=20
one would use on an individual stock.




 




Katherine


  

  
----- Original Message =
-----=20
  

  

  
From: Curt =
Corley=20
  

  

  
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
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today=92s=20
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  they did not appear to have rising volume on the sides of the =
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From: Sol Mayer 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was  M)
Date: 26 Nov 2002 06:59:17 -0800 (PST)

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i'VE BEEN READING YOUR LATEST POSTINGS.
How long do you spend a day on this? Is this your occupation?also do you find you get info overload? (that's the way I feel right now)
 Katherine Malm  wrote:

v\:* {	BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}o\:* {	BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}w\:* {	BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}.shape {	BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }Hi Curt, I'm of a mind that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, and as with most things it just takes practice to become proficient, just as you suggested. I still "practice" every day. One of the things I like so much about the CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up stocks that I personally have glossed over, but I use their mention of a stock to practice reading the chart more closely. As chart reading is such a visual process, I think anything that helps interpret the price/volume action is helpful. I'm fairly purist, and stick to the simplest of indicators, but I find that the pattern of the Up/Down volume helps summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of volume on up days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not a perfect indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little differently. I've used the IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can see what I mean. See it at:http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG Another tool I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's Excel spreadsheet. It's designed to help you read the market, but can also be used to "read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and distribution day is marked with a color and is *very* easy to see patterns of accumulation and distribution (yellow/orange/red for distribution, green for accumulation). See the last year of the NASDAQ and you can see what I mean....plenty of red most of the year, but plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of the cup. See a sample at:http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG. Bill's product is a moderately priced shareware program and I have no business affiliation with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool at http://www.market-tester.com Katherine  ----- Original Message ----- From: Curt Corley To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:30 PMSubject: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was M)

Katherine,

 

Thanks for your input.  Your help is invaluable.  I looked at the indices in TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.  I looked at the NASDAQ, S&P-500, and Russell 2000.  Here’s what I found on all 3 charts.

 

CMS:

MoneyStream stayed above it’s linear regression line on the left side of the cup, on the right side of the cup, and during the BO.  However, it stayed below the linear regression line along the bottom of the cup and during the handle formation.

 

TSV:

TSV stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the cup.  Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV plunged way below the zero line.  On the right side of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line again.  During the handle formation and the BO, TSV dipped down and back up again.

 

I guess this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price action because there were no divergences.  Since you mentioned Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On Balance Volume and/or Balance of Power.  However, I haven’t had much success with those indicators in the past.

 

I’m trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you’re certainly helping a great deal along with other members of this list.  Once again, thank you very much.

 

Cheers,

Curt

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:58 PM

 

Hi Curt,

 

I don't think when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as the NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in the same way that it is on an individual stock. My take on it is simply that an index represents a huge number of individual stocks, and while the general price pattern will indicate a reversal of a trend or a general shift in psychology and pattern of buying and selling in the market, the volume doesn't really tell you the same story as it does in an individual stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to look for a pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher volume than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to look for the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an individual stock.

 

Katherine

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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:27 PM


 

I’m glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in today’s IBD.  I looked at the charts, and they did not appear to have rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the heaviest volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don’t think the indices have shown great cwh characteristics.  However, I’m a novice at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my view.  

 

Curt

 

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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:11 PM

 

Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on the parade!









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 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> wrote:












Hi Curt,


 


I'm of a mind that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, and as with most things it just takes practice to become proficient, just as you suggested. I still "practice" every day. One of the things I like so much about the CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up stocks that I personally have glossed over, but I use their mention of a stock to practice reading the chart more closely. As chart reading is such a visual process, I think anything that helps interpret the price/volume action is helpful. I'm fairly purist, and stick to the simplest of indicators, but I find that the pattern of the Up/Down volume helps summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of volume on up days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not a perfect indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little differently.


 


I've used the IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can see what I mean. See it at:



 


Another tool I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's Excel spreadsheet. It's designed to help you read the market, but can also be used to "read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and distribution day is marked with a color and is *very* easy to see patterns of accumulation and distribution (yellow/orange/red for distribution, green for accumulation). See the last year of the NASDAQ and you can see what I mean....plenty of red most of the year, but plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of the cup. See a sample at:


http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG. Bill's product is a moderately priced shareware program and I have no business affiliation with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool at http://www.market-tester.com


 


Katherine


 


 


----- Original Message ----- 



Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:30 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was M)







Katherine,


 


Thanks for your input.  Your help is invaluable.  I looked at the indices in TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.  I looked at the NASDAQ, S&P-500, and Russell 2000.  Here’s what I found on all 3 charts.


 


CMS:


MoneyStream stayed above it’s linear regression line on the left side of the cup, on the right side of the cup, and during the BO.  However, it stayed below the linear regression line along the bottom of the cup and during the handle formation.


 


TSV:


TSV stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the cup.  Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV plunged way below the zero line.  On the right side of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line again.  During the handle formation and the BO, TSV dipped down and back up again.


 


I guess this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price action because there were no divergences.  Since you mentioned Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On Balance Volume and/or Balance of Power.  However, I haven’t had much success with those indicators in the past.


 


I’m trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you’re certainly helping a great deal along with other members of this list.  Once again, thank you very much.


 


Cheers,


Curt


 


 


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:58 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M


 




Hi Curt,




 




I don't think when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as the NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in the same way that it is on an individual stock. My take on it is simply that an index represents a huge number of individual stocks, and while the general price pattern will indicate a reversal of a trend or a general shift in psychology and pattern of buying and selling in the market, the volume doesn't really tell you the same story as it does in an individual stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to look for a pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher volume than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to look for the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an individual stock.




 




Katherine






----- Original Message ----- 




From: Curt Corley 





Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:27 PM




Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M




 


I’m glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in today’s IBD.  I looked at the charts, and they did not appear to have rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the heaviest volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don’t think the indices have shown great cwh characteristics.  However, I’m a novice at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my view.  


 


Curt


 


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To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M


 




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Subject: [CANSLIM] Re. Interesting Highlight
Date: 26 Nov 2002 11:58:04 EST

Canslim's:

     I thought the members of this forum would find this interesting:


Wall St Firms May Face $500 Million Fines

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Regulators are telling Wall Street firms that they face 
fines as high as $500 million in order to resolve analyst conflict of 
interest probes, a source familiar with the matter said on Tuesday. 

Regulators expect to tell Citigroup (NYSE:C - news) that it will have to pay 
$500 million to end a probe into whether its analysts misled investors with 
tainted research in order to please investment banking clients, the source 
said. 

Regulators have told Credit Suisse First Boston that it will have to pay $250 
million to settle the probes. Bear Stearns Cos. Inc. (NYSE:BSC - news), 
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE:GS - news), J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. (NYSE:JPM 
- news), and UBS Warburg are to be told or have been told that will have to 
pay $75 million each, the source said. Regulators will tell Thomas Weisel 
Partners that it must pay $60 million and Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MWD - news) 
that it must pay $50 million, the source said. 

Regulators will not require Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. (NYSE:MER - news) to pay 
any amounts in addition to the $100 million it has already agreed to pay as 
the result of a settlement with regulators earlier this year, the source 
said. 



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From: "Edward W. Gjertsen II" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Re. Interesting Highlight
Date: 26 Nov 2002 11:35:49 -0600

Not to get too far off the task at hand, but this is peanuts for these
firms.  I believe there will be many more lawsuits, most likely class
action against these firms.  The government fills its coffers, the
larger firms admit no wrongdoing and it's back to business.  It makes
great headlines but does little else.  Blaming investment losses on
analysts is the equivalent of blaming your gas pedal for a speeding
ticket.  Major pension funds, insurance companies and other endowments
followed Wall Street analysts and they are one angry crowd.  The heady
days are over for now, but don't fret they'll be back, just like Haley's
Comet.   

Ed Gjertsen II
ed@macktracks.com


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Canslim's:

     I thought the members of this forum would find this interesting:


Wall St Firms May Face $500 Million Fines

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Regulators are telling Wall Street firms that they
face 
fines as high as $500 million in order to resolve analyst conflict of 
interest probes, a source familiar with the matter said on Tuesday. 

Regulators expect to tell Citigroup (NYSE:C - news) that it will have to
pay 
$500 million to end a probe into whether its analysts misled investors
with 
tainted research in order to please investment banking clients, the
source 
said. 

Regulators have told Credit Suisse First Boston that it will have to pay
$250 
million to settle the probes. Bear Stearns Cos. Inc. (NYSE:BSC - news), 
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE:GS - news), J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.
(NYSE:JPM 
- news), and UBS Warburg are to be told or have been told that will have
to 
pay $75 million each, the source said. Regulators will tell Thomas
Weisel 
Partners that it must pay $60 million and Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MWD -
news) 
that it must pay $50 million, the source said. 

Regulators will not require Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. (NYSE:MER - news)
to pay 
any amounts in addition to the $100 million it has already agreed to pay
as 
the result of a settlement with regulators earlier this year, the source

said. 



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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: Info Overload  [CANSLIM] (was: Volume and CWH (was  M))
Date: 26 Nov 2002 11:57:37 -0600

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Hi Sol,

I've been a full time investor since '99 and until a week ago, when I =
agreed to go into business with Mike Gibbons,  found it easiest to tell =
my friends I was "retired." The minute I've tried to explain that I =
manage my own money full time, most folks' eyes glaze over. So, I look =
at investing as a job and devote my time to it during market hours. On =
the other hand, I don't spend all that time trading or researching =
stocks, but instead, use it for more general study of the markets and on =
refining my strategies. I don't think it's realistic to think that any =
individual investor could do a decent job of CANSLIM investing in 15 =
minutes a day, but I think the process can be pared down so that the =
basic work is done in say, 30 minutes a day plus a few hours each =
weekend. I think the secret is to have a very methodical process that =
works effectively for the individual, good tools to support that =
methodology, and a darned good understanding of what makes a stock a =
good CANSLIM candidate. In good markets, it's common that you might find =
80 or 100 very good stocks, but not all of those will be setting up =
simultaneously for breakout from one week to the next, so technicals =
tend to be a very effective way of narrowing the possibilities for =
trades in the upcoming week, and then good sorting/filtering techniques =
will help to put a meaningful sort on the possible candidates so that =
you can do a more extended due diligence only on the top 5 or 10.

My theory on info overload is that learning and understanding work in =
continuous cycles. Early in the cycle, everything is new and everything =
is seemingly important. That's the part of the cycle where I'll open up =
and seek out all possible sources of data, tools, etc., and the part I =
consider to be the chaos stage. As my understanding becomes better, one =
by one I can drop the excess resources and extra tasks so that it allows =
me to concentrate, focus and clearly understand the new info. During =
this stage, I am conscientious about what I call "noise" and will =
steadfastly eliminate anything that is non-value add. A few years ago I =
did that with investing resources. I dropped my subscription to the WSJ =
(after nearly 25 years), all business magazines and the couple of =
investment newsletters that I used. I kept only my subscription to the =
IBD, and in fact, renewed it for 3 years. I then set about to more fully =
use the paid tools that I was using such as DGO and Vectorvest. From =
chaos came a true simplicity. It's easy for me to differentiate now =
between valuable info and noise, and I think that's an outgrowth of the =
simplicity and understanding. As with all cycles, however, it is never =
ending. As soon as I find simplicity, it's time to start a new cycle--I =
open back up and seek out new resources, go through the chaos, the =
understanding, and then the simplicity again. At least it keeps life =
interesting!!

Katherine
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 8:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was M)


  i'VE BEEN READING YOUR LATEST POSTINGS.=20

  How long do you spend a day on this? Is this your occupation?also do =
you find you get info overload? (that's the way I feel right now)=20

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I've been a full time investor since '99 and until a week ago, when =
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agreed to go into business with Mike Gibbons,  found it easiest to =
tell my=20
friends I was "retired." The minute I've tried to explain that I manage =
my own=20
money full time, most folks' eyes glaze over. So, I look at investing as =
a job=20
and devote my time to it during market hours. On the other hand, I don't =
spend=20
all that time trading or researching stocks, but instead, use it for =
more=20
general study of the markets and on refining my strategies. I don't =
think it's=20
realistic to think that any individual investor could do a decent job of =
CANSLIM=20
investing in 15 minutes a day, but I think the process can be pared =
down so=20
that the basic work is done in say, 30 minutes a day plus a few hours =
each=20
weekend. I think the secret is to have a very methodical process that =
works=20
effectively for the individual, good tools to support that methodology, =
and a=20
darned good understanding of what makes a stock a good CANSLIM =
candidate. In=20
good markets, it's common that you might find 80 or 100 very good =
stocks, but=20
not all of those will be setting up simultaneously for breakout from one =
week to=20
the next, so technicals tend to be a very effective way of narrowing the =

possibilities for trades in the upcoming week, and then good =
sorting/filtering=20
techniques will help to put a meaningful sort on the possible candidates =
so that=20
you can do a more extended due diligence only on the top 5 or 10.


 


My theory on info overload is that learning and understanding work =
in=20
continuous cycles. Early in the cycle, everything is new and everything =
is=20
seemingly important. That's the part of the cycle where I'll open up and =
seek=20
out all possible sources of data, tools, etc., and the part I consider =
to be the=20
chaos stage. As my understanding becomes better, one by one I can drop =
the=20
excess resources and extra tasks so that it allows me to concentrate, =
focus and=20
clearly understand the new info. During this stage, I am conscientious =
about=20
what I call "noise" and will steadfastly eliminate anything that is =
non-value=20
add. A few years ago I did that with investing resources. I dropped =
my=20
subscription to the WSJ (after nearly 25 years), all business magazines =
and the=20
couple of investment newsletters that I used. I kept only my =
subscription to the=20
IBD, and in fact, renewed it for 3 years. I then set about to more fully =
use the=20
paid tools that I was using such as DGO and Vectorvest. From chaos came =
a true=20
simplicity. It's easy for me to differentiate now between valuable info =
and=20
noise, and I think that's an outgrowth of the simplicity and =
understanding. As=20
with all cycles, however, it is never ending. As soon as I find =
simplicity, it's=20
time to start a new cycle--I open back up and seek out new resources, go =
through=20
the chaos, the understanding, and then the simplicity again. At least it =
keeps=20
life interesting!!


 


Katherine


  
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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, =
2002 8:59=20
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Volume =
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i'VE BEEN READING YOUR LATEST POSTINGS.=20
  
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From: Gene Ricci 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re. Interesting Highlight
Date: 26 Nov 2002 11:31:51 -0600

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Thanks Jans, I'm betting that the individual investor never sees a dime =
from these fines... any takers?

Gene
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:58 AM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] Re. Interesting Highlight


  Canslim's:

       I thought the members of this forum would find this interesting:


  Wall St Firms May Face $500 Million Fines

  NEW YORK (Reuters) - Regulators are telling Wall Street firms that =
they face=20
  fines as high as $500 million in order to resolve analyst conflict of=20
  interest probes, a source familiar with the matter said on Tuesday.=20

  Regulators expect to tell Citigroup (NYSE:C - news) that it will have =
to pay=20
  $500 million to end a probe into whether its analysts misled investors =
with=20
  tainted research in order to please investment banking clients, the =
source=20
  said.=20

  Regulators have told Credit Suisse First Boston that it will have to =
pay $250=20
  million to settle the probes. Bear Stearns Cos. Inc. (NYSE:BSC - =
news),=20
  Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE:GS - news), J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. =
(NYSE:JPM=20
  - news), and UBS Warburg are to be told or have been told that will =
have to=20
  pay $75 million each, the source said. Regulators will tell Thomas =
Weisel=20
  Partners that it must pay $60 million and Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MWD - =
news)=20
  that it must pay $50 million, the source said.=20

  Regulators will not require Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. (NYSE:MER - news) =
to pay=20
  any amounts in addition to the $100 million it has already agreed to =
pay as=20
  the result of a settlement with regulators earlier this year, the =
source=20
  said.=20



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Thanks Jans, I'm betting that the =
individual=20
investor never sees a dime from these fines... any takers?


 


Gene


  
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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, =
2002 10:58=20
  AM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] Re. =
Interesting=20
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Canslim's:

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the=20
  members of this forum would find this interesting:


Wall St =
Firms=20
  May Face $500 Million Fines

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Regulators are =
telling=20
  Wall Street firms that they face 
fines as high as $500 million in =
order to=20
  resolve analyst conflict of 
interest probes, a source familiar =
with the=20
  matter said on Tuesday. 

Regulators expect to tell Citigroup =
(NYSE:C -=20
  news) that it will have to pay 
$500 million to end a probe into =
whether=20
  its analysts misled investors with 
tainted research in order to =
please=20
  investment banking clients, the source 
said. 

Regulators =
have told=20
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million =
to settle=20
  the probes. Bear Stearns Cos. Inc. (NYSE:BSC - news), 
Goldman =
Sachs Group=20
  Inc. (NYSE:GS - news), J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. (NYSE:JPM 
- =
news), and=20
  UBS Warburg are to be told or have been told that will have to 
pay =
$75=20
  million each, the source said. Regulators will tell Thomas Weisel =

Partners=20
  that it must pay $60 million and Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MWD - news) =

that it=20
  must pay $50 million, the source said. 

Regulators will not =
require=20
  Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. (NYSE:MER - news) to pay 
any amounts =
in=20
  addition to the $100 million it has already agreed to pay as 
the =
result of=20
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said.=20
  



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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was  M)
Date: 26 Nov 2002 13:52:30 -0500

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Hi Katherine,

Once again, thanks for the useful info/links. I was impressed  with the
Market-tester. It looks like a useful tool. He didn’t show any examples of
2002. Did he predict the FTD and recommend reentering the market? Does his
software need a real-time data feed?

Bill King

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:46 AM

Hi Curt,

I'm of a mind that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, and as
with most things it just takes practice to become proficient, just as you
suggested. I still "practice" every day. One of the things I like so much
about the CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up stocks that I
personally have glossed over, but I use their mention of a stock to practice
reading the chart more closely. As chart reading is such a visual process, I
think anything that helps interpret the price/volume action is helpful. I'm
fairly purist, and stick to the simplest of indicators, but I find that the
pattern of the Up/Down volume helps summarize the recent action. As this is
a simple ratio of volume on up days to volume on down days over the last 50
days, it's not a perfect indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a
little differently.

I've used the IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can see
what I mean. See it at:
http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG

Another tool I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's Excel
spreadsheet. It's designed to help you read the market, but can also be used
to "read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and distribution day is
marked with a color and is *very* easy to see patterns of accumulation and
distribution (yellow/orange/red for distribution, green for accumulation).
See the last year of the NASDAQ and you can see what I mean....plenty of red
most of the year, but plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of
the cup. See a sample at:
http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG. Bill's product is a
moderately priced shareware program and I have no business affiliation with
him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool at
http://www.market-tester.com

Katherine


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:30 PM

Katherine,

Thanks for your input.  Your help is invaluable.  I looked at the indices in
TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.  I looked at the NASDAQ,
S&P-500, and Russell 2000.  Here’s what I found on all 3 charts.

CMS:
MoneyStream stayed above it’s linear regression line on the left side of the
cup, on the right side of the cup, and during the BO.  However, it stayed
below the linear regression line along the bottom of the cup and during the
handle formation.

TSV:
TSV stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the cup.
Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV plunged way below the zero line.  On the
right side of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line again.  During
the handle formation and the BO, TSV dipped down and back up again.

I guess this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price action
because there were no divergences.  Since you mentioned
Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On Balance
Volume and/or Balance of Power.  However, I haven’t had much success with
those indicators in the past.

I’m trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you’re certainly
helping a great deal along with other members of this list.  Once again,
thank you very much.

Cheers,
Curt


-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:58 PM

Hi Curt,

I don't think when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as the
NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in the same way that it is
on an individual stock. My take on it is simply that an index represents a
huge number of individual stocks, and while the general price pattern will
indicate a reversal of a trend or a general shift in psychology and pattern
of buying and selling in the market, the volume doesn't really tell you the
same story as it does in an individual stock. In other words, I think that
it's more important to look for a pattern of accumulation outpacing
distribution (up days on higher volume than the previous day vs. down days
on higher volume), than it is to look for the "bathtub" volume pattern that
one would use on an individual stock.

Katherine
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:27 PM

I’m glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in today’s
IBD.  I looked at the charts, and they did not appear to have rising volume
on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the heaviest volume days
were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don’t think the indices have shown
great cwh characteristics.  However, I’m a novice at this stuff, so I would
appreciate any criticism or validation of my view.

Curt

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:11 PM

Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from this
morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the handle
seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on the
parade!

  _____


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Hi Katherine,



 



Once again, thanks for the useful info/links. I was =
impressed  with the Market-tester. It =
looks like a
useful tool. He didn’t show any examples of 2002. Did he predict =
the FTD and
recommend reentering the market? Does his software need a real-time data =
feed?



 



Bill King



 



-----Original
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm

Sent: Tuesday, November =
26, 2002
9:46 AM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
Volume and
CWH (was M)



 



Hi =
Curt,<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


I'm of a mind
that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, and as with most =
things
it just takes practice to become proficient, just as you suggested. I =
still
"practice" every day. One of the things I like so much about =
the
CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up stocks that I personally =
have
glossed over, but I use their mention of a stock to practice reading the =
chart
more closely. As chart reading is such a visual process, I think =
anything that
helps interpret the price/volume action is helpful. I'm fairly purist, =
and
stick to the simplest of indicators, but I find that the pattern of the =
Up/Down
volume helps summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of =
volume
on up days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not a =
perfect
indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little =
differently.<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


I've used the
IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can see what I mean. =
See it
at:<=
/p>


http://Wallstree=
t-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


Another tool
I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's Excel =
spreadsheet.
It's designed to help you read the market, but can also be used to
"read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and =
distribution day
is marked with a color and is *very* easy to see patterns of =
accumulation and
distribution (yellow/orange/red for distribution, green for =
accumulation). See
the last year of the NASDAQ and you can see what I mean....plenty of red =
most
of the year, but plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of =
the cup.
See a sample at:



http://Wallst=
reet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG.
Bill's product is a moderately priced shareware program and I have no =
business
affiliation with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool =
at http://www.market-tester.com<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


Katherine<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


 <=
/p>


-----
Original Message -----=20





To: canslim@lists.xmission.com




Sent: Friday, =
November 22,
2002 8:30 PM



Subject:
[CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was M)



 <=
/p>


Katherine,



 =




Thanks for your
input.  Your help is
invaluable.  I looked at =
the
indices in TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.  I looked at the NASDAQ, =
S&P-500,
and Russell 2000.  =
Here’s what I
found on all 3 charts.



 =




CMS:



MoneyStream =
stayed above
it’s linear regression line on the left side of the cup, on the =
right side of
the cup, and during the BO. 
However, it stayed below the linear regression line along the =
bottom of
the cup and during the handle formation.



 =




TSV:



TSV stayed =
mainly above
the center line during the left-side of the cup.  Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV plunged way below =
the zero
line.  On the right side =
of the
cup, TSV shot high above the center line again.  During the handle formation and the BO, TSV dipped =
down and
back up again.



 =




I guess this is =
supposed
to tell me that volume supported the price action because there were no
divergences.  Since you =
mentioned Accumulation/Distribution,
I probably should have looked at On Balance Volume and/or Balance of
Power.  However, I =
haven’t had much
success with those indicators in the past.



 =




I’m trying =
to become more
proficient at chart reading, and you’re certainly helping a great =
deal along
with other members of this list. 
Once again, thank you very much.



 =




Cheers,



Curt



 =




 =




-----Original
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm

Sent: Thursday,
November 21, 2002 10:58 =
PM

To:
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


Hi =
Curt,<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


I =
don't think
when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as the NASDAQ that =
the
pattern of volume would be used in the same way that it is on an =
individual
stock. My take on it is simply that an index represents a huge number of
individual stocks, and while the general price pattern will indicate a =
reversal
of a trend or a general shift in psychology and pattern of buying and =
selling
in the market, the volume doesn't really tell you the same story as it =
does in
an individual stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to =
look
for a pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher =
volume
than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to =
look for
the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an =
individual
stock.



 <=
/p>


Katherine<=
/p>





----- Original Message ----- 









To: canslim@lists.xmission.com




Sent:
Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:27 PM



Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M



 <=
/p>


I’m glad you mentioned the General Markets & =
Sectors commentary
in today’s IBD.  I =
looked at the
charts, and they did not appear to have rising volume on the sides of =
the
cups.  As a matter of =
fact, the
heaviest volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don’t think the =
indices have shown
great cwh characteristics. 
However, I’m a novice at this stuff, so I would appreciate =
any criticism
or validation of my view.  =




 



Curt



 









-----Original Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short

Sent: Thursday,
November 21, 2002 3:11 =
PM

To:
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
M<=
/p>


 <=
/p>


Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's =
comment
from this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in =
the
handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one =
to rain
on the parade!









 <=
/p>



























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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was  M)
Date: 26 Nov 2002 13:51:13 -0600

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Hi Bill,

The Market Tester doesn't "predict" but rather interprets the action in =
the charts. In other words, Bill is simply visually displaying the =
accumulation/distribution days and then automatically calculating both =
the FTD's according to WON's definition and the distribution/stall days =
that constitute the exit signal from the market. This is something that =
you can do from any price/volume chart manually, but the Tester allows =
you to click a button rather than spend the time tallying the days =
yourself. There are also some backtesting capabilities for asking "what =
if" and the ability to view the action in previous years very easily. =
This is something that definitively can't be done as easily without an =
automated program. The data is based on end of day, so no, doesn't =
require a data feed. Even for those that aren't interested in the =
spreadsheet, I think Bill has written and made available at his site the =
clearest explanation of the FTD and exit rules than I've ever seen.

I'd encourage you to contact Bill directly (via the address at his =
website) with your questions, as he can better represent his spreadsheet =
than can I.

Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bill King=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:52 PM
  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was M)


  Hi Katherine,

  =20

  Once again, thanks for the useful info/links. I was impressed  with =
the Market-tester. It looks like a useful tool. He didn't show any =
examples of 2002. Did he predict the FTD and recommend reentering the =
market? Does his software need a real-time data feed?

  =20

  Bill King

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
  Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:46 AM
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was M)

  =20

  Hi Curt,

  =20

  I'm of a mind that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, =
and as with most things it just takes practice to become proficient, =
just as you suggested. I still "practice" every day. One of the things I =
like so much about the CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up =
stocks that I personally have glossed over, but I use their mention of a =
stock to practice reading the chart more closely. As chart reading is =
such a visual process, I think anything that helps interpret the =
price/volume action is helpful. I'm fairly purist, and stick to the =
simplest of indicators, but I find that the pattern of the Up/Down =
volume helps summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of =
volume on up days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not =
a perfect indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little =
differently.

  =20

  I've used the IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can =
see what I mean. See it at:

  http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG

  =20

  Another tool I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's =
Excel spreadsheet. It's designed to help you read the market, but can =
also be used to "read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and =
distribution day is marked with a color and is *very* easy to see =
patterns of accumulation and distribution (yellow/orange/red for =
distribution, green for accumulation). See the last year of the NASDAQ =
and you can see what I mean....plenty of red most of the year, but =
plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of the cup. See a =
sample at:

  http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG. Bill's product is =
a moderately priced shareware program and I have no business affiliation =
with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool at =
http://www.market-tester.com

  =20

  Katherine

  =20

  =20

  ----- Original Message -----=20


  From: Curt Corley=20

  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20

  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:30 PM

  Subject: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was M)

  =20

  Katherine,

  =20

  Thanks for your input.  Your help is invaluable.  I looked at the =
indices in TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.  I looked =
at the NASDAQ, S&P-500, and Russell 2000.  Here's what I found on all 3 =
charts.

  =20

  CMS:

  MoneyStream stayed above it's linear regression line on the left side =
of the cup, on the right side of the cup, and during the BO.  However, =
it stayed below the linear regression line along the bottom of the cup =
and during the handle formation.

  =20

  TSV:

  TSV stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the =
cup.  Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV plunged way below the zero line. =
 On the right side of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line =
again.  During the handle formation and the BO, TSV dipped down and back =
up again.

  =20

  I guess this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price =
action because there were no divergences.  Since you mentioned =
Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On Balance =
Volume and/or Balance of Power.  However, I haven't had much success =
with those indicators in the past.

  =20

  I'm trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you're =
certainly helping a great deal along with other members of this list.  =
Once again, thank you very much.

  =20

  Cheers,

  Curt

  =20

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:58 PM
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

  =20

  Hi Curt,

  =20

  I don't think when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as =
the NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in the same way that =
it is on an individual stock. My take on it is simply that an index =
represents a huge number of individual stocks, and while the general =
price pattern will indicate a reversal of a trend or a general shift in =
psychology and pattern of buying and selling in the market, the volume =
doesn't really tell you the same story as it does in an individual =
stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to look for a =
pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher volume =
than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to =
look for the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an =
individual stock.

  =20

  Katherine

  ----- Original Message -----=20


  From: Curt Corley=20

  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20

  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:27 PM

  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M

  =20

  I'm glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in =
today's IBD.  I looked at the charts, and they did not appear to have =
rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the =
heaviest volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don't think =
the indices have shown great cwh characteristics.  However, I'm a novice =
at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my =
view. =20

  =20

  Curt

  =20

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short
  Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:11 PM
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] M

  =20

  Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from =
this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the =
handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on =
the parade!

  =20


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Hi Bill,


 


The Market Tester doesn't "predict" but rather interprets the =
action in the=20
charts. In other words, Bill is simply visually displaying the=20
accumulation/distribution days and then automatically calculating both =
the FTD's=20
according to WON's definition and the distribution/stall days that =
constitute=20
the exit signal from the market. This is something that you can do from =
any=20
price/volume chart manually, but the Tester allows you to click a button =
rather=20
than spend the time tallying the days yourself. There are also some =
backtesting=20
capabilities for asking "what if" and the ability to view the action in =
previous=20
years very easily. This is something that definitively can't be done as =
easily=20
without an automated program. The data is based on end of day, so no, =
doesn't=20
require a data feed. Even for those that aren't interested in the =
spreadsheet, I=20
think Bill has written and made available at his =
site the clearest=20
explanation of the FTD and exit rules than I've ever seen.


 


I'd encourage you to contact Bill directly (via the address at his =
website)=20
with your questions, as he can better represent his spreadsheet than can =

I.


 


Katherine



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Bill =
King=20

  
  
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, =
2002 12:52=20
  PM

  
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Volume =
and CWH=20
  (was M)

  


  

  
Hi=20
  Katherine,

  
 

  
Once=20
  again, thanks for the useful info/links. I was impressed  with the Market-tester. It =
looks like=20
  a useful tool. He didn=92t show any examples of 2002. Did he predict =
the FTD and=20
  recommend reentering the market? Does his software need a real-time =
data=20
  feed?

  
 

  
Bill=20
  King

  
 

  
-----Original=20
  Message-----
From: =
owner-canslim@lists.xmis=
sion.com=20
  [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On=20
  Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, =
2002 9:46=20
  AM
To:=20
  canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Volume =
and CWH=20
  (was M)

  
 

  
Hi=20
  Curt,

  
 

  
I'm of a mind=20
  that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, and as with =
most things=20
  it just takes practice to become proficient, just as you suggested. I =
still=20
  "practice" every day. One of the things I like so much about the =
CANSLIM list=20
  is that people will often bring up stocks that I personally have =
glossed over,=20
  but I use their mention of a stock to practice reading the chart more =
closely.=20
  As chart reading is such a visual process, I think anything that helps =

  interpret the price/volume action is helpful. I'm fairly purist, and =
stick to=20
  the simplest of indicators, but I find that the pattern of the Up/Down =
volume=20
  helps summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of volume =
on up=20
  days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not a perfect=20
  indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little=20
  differently.

  
 

  
I've used the=20
  IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can see what I =
mean. See=20
  it at:

  
http://Wallstree=
t-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG

  
 

  
Another tool I=20
  use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's Excel =
spreadsheet.=20
  It's designed to help you read the market, but can also be used to =
"read" any=20
  individual stock. Each accumulation and distribution day is marked =
with a=20
  color and is *very* easy to see patterns of accumulation and =
distribution=20
  (yellow/orange/red for distribution, green for accumulation). See the =
last=20
  year of the NASDAQ and you can see what I mean....plenty of red most =
of the=20
  year, but plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of the =
cup. See a=20
  sample at:

  
http://Wallst=
reet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG.=20
  Bill's product is a moderately priced shareware program and I have no =
business=20
  affiliation with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his =
tool at http://www.market-tester.com

  
 

  
Katherine

  
 

  
 

  
-----=20
  Original Message -----=20
  

  

  
From: Curt =
Corley=20
  

  
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
  

  
Sent: Friday, =
November=20
  22, 2002 8:30 PM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] =
Volume=20
  and CWH (was M)

  
 

  
Katherine,

  
 

  
Thanks=20
  for your input.  Your =
help is=20
  invaluable.  I looked at =
the=20
  indices in TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.  I looked at the NASDAQ, =
S&P-500,=20
  and Russell 2000.  =
Here=92s what I=20
  found on all 3 charts.

  
 

  
CMS:

  
MoneyStream =
stayed=20
  above it=92s linear regression line on the left side of the cup, on =
the right=20
  side of the cup, and during the BO. =20
  However, it stayed below the linear regression line along the =
bottom of=20
  the cup and during the handle formation.

  
 

  
TSV:

  
TSV=20
  stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the =
cup.  Toward the bottom of the =
cup, TSV=20
  plunged way below the zero line. =20
  On the right side of the cup, TSV shot high above the center =
line=20
  again.  During the =
handle=20
  formation and the BO, TSV dipped down and back up=20
  again.

  
 

  
I guess=20
  this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price action =
because=20
  there were no divergences.  =
Since=20
  you mentioned Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked =
at On=20
  Balance Volume and/or Balance of Power. =20
  However, I haven=92t had much success with those indicators in =
the=20
  past.

  
 

  
I=92m=20
  trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you=92re =
certainly=20
  helping a great deal along with other members of this list.  Once again, thank you very=20
  much.

  
 

  
Cheers,

  
Curt

  
 

  
 

  
-----Original=20
  Message-----
From:=20
  owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
  On Behalf Of Katherine =

  Malm
Sent: =
Thursday, November 21, =
2002=20
  10:58 PM
To:=20
  canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM]=20
  M

  
 

  
Hi=20
  Curt,

  
 

  
I =
don't think=20
  when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as the NASDAQ =
that the=20
  pattern of volume would be used in the same way that it is on an =
individual=20
  stock. My take on it is simply that an index represents a huge number =
of=20
  individual stocks, and while the general price pattern will indicate a =

  reversal of a trend or a general shift in psychology and pattern of =
buying and=20
  selling in the market, the volume doesn't really tell you the same =
story as it=20
  does in an individual stock. In other words, I think that it's more =
important=20
  to look for a pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days =
on=20
  higher volume than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), =
than it=20
  is to look for the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an=20
  individual stock.

  
 

  
Katherine

  
  
----- =
Original=20
  Message ----- 

  

  
From: Curt =
Corley=20
  
  

  
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
=20
  

  
Sent: Thursday, =
November=20
  21, 2002 6:27 PM

  
Subject: RE: =
[CANSLIM]=20
  M

  
 

  
I=92m glad =
you=20
  mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in today=92s =
IBD.  I looked at the charts, and =
they did=20
  not appear to have rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the =
heaviest=20
  volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don=92t think the indices =
have shown=20
  great cwh characteristics. =20
  However, I=92m a novice at this stuff, so I would appreciate =
any=20
  criticism or validation of my view. =20
  

  
 

  
Curt

  
 

  
  
-----Original=20
  Message-----
From:=20
  owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]=20
  On Behalf Of Kelly=20
  Short
Sent: =
Thursday, November 21, =
2002=20
  3:11 PM
To:=20
  canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM]=20
  M

  
 

  
Speaking of =
handles-=20
  what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from this morning about =
the NASDAQ=20
  forming a cup and handle? Volume in the handle seems a bit "imperfect" =
but I=20
  don't want to be the one to rain on the parade!

  
   

  
  

  

  


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Subject: Re: Info Overload  [CANSLIM] (was: Volume and CWH (was  M))
Date: 26 Nov 2002 16:48:44 -0600

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  Just a note from a loyal lurker who has been learning so much. I =
thoroughly appreciate=20
  the effort and generosity that is shared by so many in this group.=20
  Thank you again and again,

  P.S. Congratulations and blessings to Katherine and Mike for the =
business=20
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Just a note from a loyal lurker =
who has been=20
  learning so much. I thoroughly appreciate 

  
the effort and generosity =
that is shared by so many in this group. =


  
Thank you again and =
again,

  
 

  
P.S. Congratulations and blessings to =
Katherine=20
  and Mike for the business 

  
       =20
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am thinking=20
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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re. Interesting Highlight
Date: 26 Nov 2002 23:17:58 -0500

Ed, I have no problem in blaming an analyst for my losses, when my buy /
sell / hold decision was based in part on his forecasts, AND when he
published a report he knew was blatantly false. I don't care so much why it
was false, just that he put his honesty and credibility on the line
knowingly.

On the other hand, if I rode a stock like Enron from 80 down to 10, heck,
even to 30 or 40, then I have no one to blame but myself for not knowing
enough to read a chart, do my own independent research, lack of due
diligence, lack of selling rules and discipline, etc.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:35 PM


Not to get too far off the task at hand, but this is peanuts for these
firms.  I believe there will be many more lawsuits, most likely class
action against these firms.  The government fills its coffers, the
larger firms admit no wrongdoing and it's back to business.  It makes
great headlines but does little else.  Blaming investment losses on
analysts is the equivalent of blaming your gas pedal for a speeding
ticket.  Major pension funds, insurance companies and other endowments
followed Wall Street analysts and they are one angry crowd.  The heady
days are over for now, but don't fret they'll be back, just like Haley's
Comet.

Ed Gjertsen II
ed@macktracks.com


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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:58 AM

Canslim's:

     I thought the members of this forum would find this interesting:


Wall St Firms May Face $500 Million Fines

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Regulators are telling Wall Street firms that they
face
fines as high as $500 million in order to resolve analyst conflict of
interest probes, a source familiar with the matter said on Tuesday.

Regulators expect to tell Citigroup (NYSE:C - news) that it will have to
pay
$500 million to end a probe into whether its analysts misled investors
with
tainted research in order to please investment banking clients, the
source
said.

Regulators have told Credit Suisse First Boston that it will have to pay
$250
million to settle the probes. Bear Stearns Cos. Inc. (NYSE:BSC - news),
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE:GS - news), J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.
(NYSE:JPM
- news), and UBS Warburg are to be told or have been told that will have
to
pay $75 million each, the source said. Regulators will tell Thomas
Weisel
Partners that it must pay $60 million and Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MWD -
news)
that it must pay $50 million, the source said.

Regulators will not require Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. (NYSE:MER - news)
to pay
any amounts in addition to the $100 million it has already agreed to pay
as
the result of a settlement with regulators earlier this year, the source

said.



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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re. Interesting Highlight
Date: 26 Nov 2002 23:21:38 -0500

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sure, I'll take that bet, it goes into the govt Treasury to be spent by =
Congress in ways over which you and I have no control or say so.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:31 PM


Thanks Jans, I'm betting that the individual investor never sees a dime =
from these fines... any takers?

Gene
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:58 AM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] Re. Interesting Highlight


  Canslim's:

       I thought the members of this forum would find this interesting:


  Wall St Firms May Face $500 Million Fines

  NEW YORK (Reuters) - Regulators are telling Wall Street firms that =
they face=20
  fines as high as $500 million in order to resolve analyst conflict of=20
  interest probes, a source familiar with the matter said on Tuesday.=20

  Regulators expect to tell Citigroup (NYSE:C - news) that it will have =
to pay=20
  $500 million to end a probe into whether its analysts misled investors =
with=20
  tainted research in order to please investment banking clients, the =
source=20
  said.=20

  Regulators have told Credit Suisse First Boston that it will have to =
pay $250=20
  million to settle the probes. Bear Stearns Cos. Inc. (NYSE:BSC - =
news),=20
  Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE:GS - news), J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. =
(NYSE:JPM=20
  - news), and UBS Warburg are to be told or have been told that will =
have to=20
  pay $75 million each, the source said. Regulators will tell Thomas =
Weisel=20
  Partners that it must pay $60 million and Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MWD - =
news)=20
  that it must pay $50 million, the source said.=20

  Regulators will not require Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. (NYSE:MER - news) =
to pay=20
  any amounts in addition to the $100 million it has already agreed to =
pay as=20
  the result of a settlement with regulators earlier this year, the =
source=20
  said.=20



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sure, I'll take that bet, it goes into the govt =
Treasury=20
to be spent by Congress in ways over which you and I have no control or =
say=20
so.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Gene Ricci =




Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:31 PM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re. Interesting Highlight





Thanks Jans, I'm betting that the =
individual=20
investor never sees a dime from these fines... any takers?


 


Gene


  
----- Original Message ----- 

  From:=20
  Emenar1@aol.com=20
  
  
  
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, =
2002 10:58=20
  AM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] Re. =
Interesting=20
  Highlight

  

Canslim's:

     I thought =
the=20
  members of this forum would find this interesting:


Wall St =
Firms=20
  May Face $500 Million Fines

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Regulators are =
telling=20
  Wall Street firms that they face 
fines as high as $500 million in =
order to=20
  resolve analyst conflict of 
interest probes, a source familiar =
with the=20
  matter said on Tuesday. 

Regulators expect to tell Citigroup =
(NYSE:C -=20
  news) that it will have to pay 
$500 million to end a probe into =
whether=20
  its analysts misled investors with 
tainted research in order to =
please=20
  investment banking clients, the source 
said. 

Regulators =
have told=20
  Credit Suisse First Boston that it will have to pay $250 
million =
to settle=20
  the probes. Bear Stearns Cos. Inc. (NYSE:BSC - news), 
Goldman =
Sachs Group=20
  Inc. (NYSE:GS - news), J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. (NYSE:JPM 
- =
news), and=20
  UBS Warburg are to be told or have been told that will have to 
pay =
$75=20
  million each, the source said. Regulators will tell Thomas Weisel =

Partners=20
  that it must pay $60 million and Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MWD - news) =

that it=20
  must pay $50 million, the source said. 

Regulators will not =
require=20
  Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. (NYSE:MER - news) to pay 
any amounts =
in=20
  addition to the $100 million it has already agreed to pay as 
the =
result of=20
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said.=20
  



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From: luis claramunt 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Katherine Malm and Tom Worley
Date: 27 Nov 2002 09:43:30 -0600

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Hi folks,

Since I joined this group I found great, great insights and has help me =
a lot  -even though not in market gains- from the conceptual side.=20

Katherine=B4s Hunting List is a good data base to start a research, she =
is given a lot a time and effort and we must be greatfull. Please keep =
up doing it.

During the weekend I scan my email looking for the one Tom Worley sends =
each week; they are plain, clear and short, but with a great vision. In =
a couple of days we will receive another one. Good work.

Have all with your family a nice Thanksgiving Day.

Best Regards,

Luis Claramunt
Phone: (506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
San Jose, Costa Rica
mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
Luis Claramunt
Phone: (506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
San Jose, Costa Rica
mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr

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Hi folks,


 


Since I joined this group I =
found great,=20
great insights and has help me a lot  -even though not in market =
gains-=20
from the conceptual side. 


 


Katherine=B4s Hunting =
List is=20
a good data base to start a research, she is given a lot a =
time and=20
effort and we must be greatfull. Please keep up doing it.


 


During the weekend I scan my =
email=20
looking for the one Tom Worley sends each week; they are plain, =
clear and=20
short, but with a great vision. In a couple of days we will receive =
another one.=20
Good work.


 


Have all with your family a =
nice=20
Thanksgiving Day.


 


Best Regards,


 


Luis Claramunt
Phone:=20
(506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
San Jose, Costa =
Rica
mail to:=20
luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
<=
/FONT>


Luis Claramunt
Phone:=20
(506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
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Rica
mail to:=20
luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
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From: "Katherine Malm" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Katherine Malm and Tom Worley
Date: 27 Nov 2002 10:01:00 -0600

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Hi Luis and all,

Thanks to everyone for providing some feedback on the CANSLIM Hunting =
list. There were enough folks who wrote to me indicating they used it =
that I'll continue posting it monthly. Again, for those of you who =
*don't* use it, I understand completely, as I personally prefer to =
create my own watchists.

I also wanted to take a moment to thank those of you who wished Mike and =
I well in our new business venture together and to the *many* =
contributors on this list who continue to expand my own knowledge each =
and every day. I don't think it can be said too often--this is a great =
place to hang out.

Have a safe, healthy and joyous Thanksgiving,
Katherine
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: luis claramunt=20
  To: CANSLIM=20
  Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:43 AM
  Subject: [CANSLIM] Katherine Malm and Tom Worley


  Hi folks,

  Since I joined this group I found great, great insights and has help =
me a lot  -even though not in market gains- from the conceptual side.=20

  Katherine=B4s Hunting List is a good data base to start a research, =
she is given a lot a time and effort and we must be greatfull. Please =
keep up doing it.

  During the weekend I scan my email looking for the one Tom Worley =
sends each week; they are plain, clear and short, but with a great =
vision. In a couple of days we will receive another one. Good work.

  Have all with your family a nice Thanksgiving Day.

  Best Regards,

  Luis Claramunt
  Phone: (506)-234-1379
  Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
  San Jose, Costa Rica
  mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
  Luis Claramunt
  Phone: (506)-234-1379
  Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
  San Jose, Costa Rica
  mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
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Hi Luis and all,


 


Thanks to everyone for providing some feedback on the CANSLIM =
Hunting list.=20
There were enough folks who wrote to me indicating they used it that =
I'll=20
continue posting it monthly. Again, for those of you who *don't* use it, =
I=20
understand completely, as I personally prefer to create my own =
watchists.


 


I also wanted to take a moment to thank those of you who wished =
Mike and I=20
well in our new business venture together and to the *many* contributors =
on this=20
list who continue to expand my own knowledge each and every day. I don't =
think=20
it can be said too often--this is a great place to hang out.


 


Have a safe, healthy and joyous Thanksgiving,


Katherine



  
----- Original Message ----- 

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  luis=20
  claramunt 
  
To: CANSLIM 

  
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, =
2002 9:43=20
  AM

  
Subject: [CANSLIM] Katherine =
Malm and Tom=20
  Worley

  


  

  
Hi folks,

  
 

  
Since I joined this group I =
found=20
  great, great insights and has help me a lot  -even though not in =
market=20
  gains- from the conceptual side. 

  
 

  
Katherine=B4s Hunting =
List is=20
  a good data base to start a research, she is given a lot a =
time and=20
  effort and we must be greatfull. Please keep up doing it.

  
 

  
During the weekend I scan =
my email=20
  looking for the one Tom Worley sends each week; they are plain, =
clear and=20
  short, but with a great vision. In a couple of days we will receive =
another=20
  one. Good work.

  
 

  
Have all with your family a =
nice=20
  Thanksgiving Day.

  
 

  
Best Regards,

  
 

  
Luis Claramunt
Phone:=20
  (506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
San Jose, Costa =
Rica
mail=20
  to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
<=
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Luis Claramunt
Phone:=20
  (506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
San Jose, Costa =
Rica
mail=20
  to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
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From: Chris Dempsey 
Subject: [CANSLIM] ARTI - fishtails
Date: 27 Nov 2002 11:37:05 -0600

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Katherine, you were the first that I can recall that commented on fishtails.
 
Would you please comment on ARTI. Any other comments are welcome also.
 
Chris

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Katherine, you were the first that I can recall that commented on
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Would you please comment on ARTI. Any other comments are welcome also.



 



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From: Gene Ricci 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Pivot calculator - Free Stuff
Date: 27 Nov 2002 14:33:32 -0600

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http://www.stelaronline.com/resource/pivot.htm

Haven't checked this out but I 'heard' it was 'on the money'.

Happy Thanksgiving,
Gene

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Haven't=20
checked this out but I 'heard' it was 'on the =
money'.



Happy Thanksgiving,


Gene


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Katherine Malm and Tom Worley
Date: 27 Nov 2002 22:47:03 -0500

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Thanks, Luis, glad to know that it is of interest. Nice to know it means =
something in your beautiful country

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Hi folks,

Since I joined this group I found great, great insights and has help me =
a lot  -even though not in market gains- from the conceptual side.=20

Katherine=B4s Hunting List is a good data base to start a research, she =
is given a lot a time and effort and we must be greatfull. Please keep =
up doing it.

During the weekend I scan my email looking for the one Tom Worley sends =
each week; they are plain, clear and short, but with a great vision. In =
a couple of days we will receive another one. Good work.

Have all with your family a nice Thanksgiving Day.

Best Regards,

Luis Claramunt
Phone: (506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
San Jose, Costa Rica
mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
Luis Claramunt
Phone: (506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
San Jose, Costa Rica
mail to: luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
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Thanks, Luis, glad to know that it is of =
interest. Nice to=20
know it means something in your beautiful country


 


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From: luis =
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To: CANSLIM 


Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:43 AM


Subject: [CANSLIM] Katherine Malm and Tom Worley







Hi folks,


 


Since I joined this group I =
found great,=20
great insights and has help me a lot  -even though not in market =
gains-=20
from the conceptual side. 


 


Katherine=B4s Hunting =
List is=20
a good data base to start a research, she is given a lot a =
time and=20
effort and we must be greatfull. Please keep up doing it.


 


During the weekend I scan my =
email=20
looking for the one Tom Worley sends each week; they are plain, =
clear and=20
short, but with a great vision. In a couple of days we will receive =
another one.=20
Good work.


 


Have all with your family a =
nice=20
Thanksgiving Day.


 


Best Regards,


 


Luis Claramunt
Phone:=20
(506)-234-1379
Cellphone: (506)-385-1696
San Jose, Costa =
Rica
mail to:=20
luclaxu@racsa.co.cr
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Luis Claramunt
Phone:=20
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Rica
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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Pivot calculator - Free Stuff
Date: 28 Nov 2002 21:21:51 -0500

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Gene, I looked at it, and it only uses for input high/low/close =
(presumably for the day, altho guess you could do it using weekly #). =
But since it is not using / looking at a chart, I see no use for it =
other than maybe for a day trader.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:33 PM


http://www.stelaronline.com/resource/pivot.htm

Haven't checked this out but I 'heard' it was 'on the money'.

Happy Thanksgiving,
Gene

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Gene, I looked at it, and it only uses for input =

high/low/close (presumably for the day, altho guess you could do it =
using weekly=20
#). But since it is not using / looking at a chart, I see no use for it =
other=20
than maybe for a day trader.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Gene Ricci =




Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:33 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] Pivot calculator - Free Stuff





http://www.stelar=
online.com/resource/pivot.htm

Haven't=20
checked this out but I 'heard' it was 'on the =
money'.



Happy Thanksgiving,


Gene


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ARTI - fishtails
Date: 28 Nov 2002 21:38:36 -0500

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What I see is a tail down on Tuesday, but closed at the day's high on =
Monday and Wednesday. Volume predictably was down on all 3 days. But in =
any case, it is very extended, definitely not a buy in my book, but =
would hold if I owned it.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:37 PM


Katherine, you were the first that I can recall that commented on =
fishtails.

=20

Would you please comment on ARTI. Any other comments are welcome also.

=20

Chris

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What I see is a tail down on Tuesday, but closed =
at the=20
day's high on Monday and Wednesday. Volume predictably was down on all 3 =
days.=20
But in any case, it is very extended, definitely not a buy in my book, =
but would=20
hold if I owned it.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: Chris Dempsey =



To: Canslim 


Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 12:37 PM


Subject: [CANSLIM] ARTI - fishtails







Katherine,=20
you were the first that I can recall that commented on=20
fishtails.


 


Would=20
you please comment on ARTI. Any other comments are welcome=20
also.


 


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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 28 Nov 2002 23:00:33 -0500

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Thanks, Andy, I took a look at them, but don't think they would be of =
help to me as I don't see the stocks I already own or favor. As long as =
my methodology continues to work, and it's working fabulously this year =
despite a lack of time, I don't intend to change anything I do now. =
Putting my entire margin account, and a sizable piece of my VR Fund, =
into a single sector is not something I did lightly, and am glad it is =
working out so well and so quickly, considering I made the move with an =
18 month horizon. Simply put, industry strength, group RS, and other =
similar factors were not even considered when I did this.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:57 PM


Tom,

Yeah, I noticed that a week or so ago.  I've been fully invested since =
the recent bottom in ETFs myself.  I got shaken out last week and am =
trying to find something that is not extended to back get into.  I got =
some PECS today and am watching a few more.  I think it is the right =
move but I don't know any retail traders who expect this to be more than =
a quick trade.  The internals look to me like real buying at this level =
but no one will believe me :)

I see you look for stocks in the cup to buy.  You may find these data =
sets that I compile useful:  Industries, Companies within Industries, =
and MoneyFlow.  These files provide industry strength,  the companies =
within the industries ranked by price strength, and my version on when =
the money is flowing.  There is a description file at the site or I will =
explain anything that is not obvious.

Andy

In a message dated 11/25/2002 7:36:03 AM Central Standard Time, =
stkguru@bellsouth.net writes:



  Andy, some of us are voting with real money. And I would have to rate =
myself bullish (don't know about the go-go, tho) as I am not only fully =
invested but on margin, and looking to buy one more stock which will =
take me to max margin.


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Thanks, Andy, I took a look at them, but don't =
think they=20
would be of help to me as I don't see the stocks I already own or favor. =
As long=20
as my methodology continues to work, and it's working fabulously this =
year=20
despite a lack of time, I don't intend to change anything I do now. =
Putting my=20
entire margin account, and a sizable piece of my VR Fund, into a single =
sector=20
is not something I did lightly, and am glad it is working out so well =
and so=20
quickly, considering I made the move with an 18 month horizon. Simply =
put,=20
industry strength, group RS, and other similar factors were not even =
considered=20
when I did this.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: AJAskey@aol.com 



Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:57 PM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M



Tom,

Yeah, I=20
noticed that a week or so ago.  I've been fully invested since the =
recent=20
bottom in ETFs myself.  I got shaken out last week and am trying to =
find=20
something that is not extended to back get into.  I got some PECS =
today and=20
am watching a few more.  I think it is the right move but I don't =
know any=20
retail traders who expect this to be more than a quick trade.  The=20
internals look to me like real buying at this level but no one will =
believe me=20
:)

I see you look for stocks in the cup to buy.  You may =
find these=20
data sets that I compile useful:  Industries,=20
Companies=20
within Industries, and MoneyFlow. =20
These files provide industry strength,  the companies within the =
industries=20
ranked by price strength, and my version on when the money is =
flowing. =20
There is a description file at the site or I will explain anything that =
is not=20
obvious.

Andy

In a message dated 11/25/2002 7:36:03 AM =
Central=20
Standard Time, stkguru@bellsouth.net writes:



Andy, some of us are voting with real money. And I would =
have to=20
  rate myself bullish (don't know about the go-go, tho) as I am not only =
fully=20
  invested but on margin, and looking to buy one more stock which will =
take me=20
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From: "David Taggart" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Pivot calculator - Free Stuff
Date: 28 Nov 2002 22:10:46 -0700

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The pivots this calculator figures out are commonly used by floor
traders and the like.  Not CANSLIM in the least but if anyone does have
more interest in pivot points I just read a good book The Logical Trader
by Mark Fisher  mainly for the day trader as well.

 

David Taggart

 

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Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 7:22 PM

 

Gene, I looked at it, and it only uses for input high/low/close
(presumably for the day, altho guess you could do it using weekly #).
But since it is not using / looking at a chart, I see no use for it
other than maybe for a day trader.

 

----- Original Message ----- 



Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:33 PM


 

http://www.stelaronline.com/resource/pivot.htm

Haven't checked this out but I 'heard' it was 'on the money'.


Happy Thanksgiving,

Gene


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The pivots this calculator figures =
out are
commonly used by floor traders and the like.  Not CANSLIM in the =
least but if anyone
does have more interest in pivot points I just read a good book The =
Logical
Trader by Mark Fisher  mainly for the day trader as =
well.



 



David Taggart



 



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owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
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Sent: Thursday, November =
28, 2002
7:22 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
Pivot
calculator - Free Stuff



 






Gene, I looked at it, and =
it only
uses for input high/low/close (presumably for the day, altho guess you =
could do
it using weekly #). But since it is not using / looking at a chart, I =
see no
use for it other than maybe for a day trader.









 









----- Original Message =
----- 






From: Gene Ricci =












Sent: Wednesday,
November 27, 2002 3:33 PM









Subject: [CANSLIM]
Pivot calculator - Free Stuff












 









http://www.stelar=
online.com/resource/pivot.htm



Haven't
checked this out but I 'heard' it was 'on the =
money'.











Happy
Thanksgiving,









Gene












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From: AJAskey@aol.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 29 Nov 2002 08:00:32 EST


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Tom,

Good luck.  Sounds like you are on to something.  My data is geared towards 
CANSLIM but works well with industry/sector ETFs and finding shorts.  I only 
include stocks over $5 so it will not help some methodologies.

Andy

In a message dated 11/28/2002 10:02:52 PM Central Standard Time, 
stkguru@bellsouth.net writes:


> Thanks, Andy, I took a look at them, but don't think they would be of help 
> to me as I don't see the stocks I already own or favor. As long as my 
> methodology continues to work, and it's working fabulously this year 
> despite a lack of time, I don't intend to change anything I do now. Putting 
> my entire margin account, and a sizable piece of my VR Fund, into a single 
> sector is not something I did lightly, and am glad it is working out so 
> well and so quickly, considering I made the move with an 18 month horizon. 
> Simply put, industry strength, group RS, and other similar factors were not 
> even considered when I did this.
> 


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Tom,



Good luck.  Sounds like you are on to something.  My data is geared towards CANSLIM but works well with industry/sector ETFs and finding shorts.  I only include stocks over $5 so it will not help some methodologies.



Andy



In a message dated 11/28/2002 10:02:52 PM Central Standard Time, stkguru@bellsouth.net writes:






Thanks, Andy, I took a look at them, but don't think they would be of help to me as I don't see the stocks I already own or favor. As long as my methodology continues to work, and it's working fabulously this year despite a lack of time, I don't intend to change anything I do now. Putting my entire margin account, and a sizable piece of my VR Fund, into a single sector is not something I did lightly, and am glad it is working out so well and so quickly, considering I made the move with an 18 month horizon. Simply put, industry strength, group RS, and other similar factors were not even considered when I did this.







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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 29 Nov 2002 08:16:35 -0500

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Hi Andy,

My best performers right now are very liquid small caps in the mid teens =
to low 20s price range.  I have yet to find a short where I have =
confidence in doubling my money, and the indexes appear to be clearing =
up the mystery of the double bottom / head & shoulders / c&h patterns in =
favor of the double bottom, so shorting is not even a consideration for =
me right now.

----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:00 AM


Tom,

Good luck.  Sounds like you are on to something.  My data is geared =
towards CANSLIM but works well with industry/sector ETFs and finding =
shorts.  I only include stocks over $5 so it will not help some =
methodologies.

Andy

In a message dated 11/28/2002 10:02:52 PM Central Standard Time, =
stkguru@bellsouth.net writes:



  Thanks, Andy, I took a look at them, but don't think they would be of =
help to me as I don't see the stocks I already own or favor. As long as =
my methodology continues to work, and it's working fabulously this year =
despite a lack of time, I don't intend to change anything I do now. =
Putting my entire margin account, and a sizable piece of my VR Fund, =
into a single sector is not something I did lightly, and am glad it is =
working out so well and so quickly, considering I made the move with an =
18 month horizon. Simply put, industry strength, group RS, and other =
similar factors were not even considered when I did this.



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Hi Andy,


 


My best performers right now are very liquid =
small caps in=20
the mid teens to low 20s price range.  I have yet to find a short =
where I=20
have confidence in doubling my money, and the indexes appear to be =
clearing up=20
the mystery of the double bottom / head & shoulders / c&h =
patterns in=20
favor of the double bottom, so shorting is not even a consideration for =
me right=20
now.


 


----- Original Message -----=20

From: AJAskey@aol.com 



Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 8:00 AM


Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M



Tom,

Good=20
luck.  Sounds like you are on to something.  My data is geared =
towards=20
CANSLIM but works well with industry/sector ETFs and finding =
shorts.  I=20
only include stocks over $5 so it will not help some=20
methodologies.

Andy

In a message dated 11/28/2002 10:02:52 =
PM=20
Central Standard Time, stkguru@bellsouth.net=20
writes:



Thanks, Andy, I took a look at them, but don't think they =
would be=20
  of help to me as I don't see the stocks I already own or favor. As =
long as my=20
  methodology continues to work, and it's working fabulously this year =
despite a=20
  lack of time, I don't intend to change anything I do now. Putting my =
entire=20
  margin account, and a sizable piece of my VR Fund, into a single =
sector is not=20
  something I did lightly, and am glad it is working out so well and so =
quickly,=20
  considering I made the move with an 18 month horizon. Simply put, =
industry=20
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when I=20
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From: "Patrick Wahl" 
Subject: [CANSLIM] Financial Turkeys
Date: 29 Nov 2002 08:00:54 -0700

A little bit off topic, but Jim Jubak has some of the financial turkeys from 
wall street.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P34477.asp

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Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M
Date: 29 Nov 2002 11:32:25 EST


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Definately agree shorting isn't the best play now.  

In a message dated 11/29/2002 7:18:51 AM Central Standard Time, 
stkguru@bellsouth.net writes:


> I have yet to find a short where I have confidence in doubling my money, and 
> the indexes appear to be clearing up the mystery of the double bottom / 
> head & shoulders / c&h patterns in favor of the double bottom, so shorting 
> is not even a consideration for me right now.


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Definately agree shorting isn't the best play now.  



In a message dated 11/29/2002 7:18:51 AM Central Standard Time, stkguru@bellsouth.net writes:






I have yet to find a short where I have confidence in doubling my money, and the indexes appear to be clearing up the mystery of the double bottom / head & shoulders / c&h patterns in favor of the double bottom, so shorting is not even a consideration for me right now.





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From: "Curt Corley" 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was  M)
Date: 29 Nov 2002 11:39:55 -0600

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Bill,
=20
You can download the free trial version and run it with the 2002 data.
The trailing twelve month performance (from 11/28/2001 through
11/29/2002) is -15.9 %.  The buy-and-hold performance for that same time
frame is -23.1 %.
=20
Curt  =20
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill King
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:53 PM
=20
Hi Katherine,
=20
Once again, thanks for the useful info/links. I was impressed  with the
Market-tester. It looks like a useful tool. He didn=92t show any =
examples
of 2002. Did he predict the FTD and recommend reentering the market?
Does his software need a real-time data feed?
=20
Bill King
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:46 AM
=20
Hi Curt,
=20
I'm of a mind that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, and
as with most things it just takes practice to become proficient, just as
you suggested. I still "practice" every day. One of the things I like so
much about the CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up stocks
that I personally have glossed over, but I use their mention of a stock
to practice reading the chart more closely. As chart reading is such a
visual process, I think anything that helps interpret the price/volume
action is helpful. I'm fairly purist, and stick to the simplest of
indicators, but I find that the pattern of the Up/Down volume helps
summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of volume on up
days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not a perfect
indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little differently.
=20
I've used the IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can
see what I mean. See it at:
http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG
=20
Another tool I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's
Excel spreadsheet. It's designed to help you read the market, but can
also be used to "read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and
distribution day is marked with a color and is *very* easy to see
patterns of accumulation and distribution (yellow/orange/red for
distribution, green for accumulation). See the last year of the NASDAQ
and you can see what I mean....plenty of red most of the year, but
plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of the cup. See a
sample at:
http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG. Bill's product is a
moderately priced shareware program and I have no business affiliation
with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool at
http://www.market-tester.com
=20
Katherine
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
=20
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:30 PM
=20
Katherine,
=20
Thanks for your input.  Your help is invaluable.  I looked at the
indices in TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.  I looked
at the NASDAQ, S&P-500, and Russell 2000.  Here=92s what I found on all =
3
charts.
=20
CMS:
MoneyStream stayed above it=92s linear regression line on the left side =
of
the cup, on the right side of the cup, and during the BO.  However, it
stayed below the linear regression line along the bottom of the cup and
during the handle formation.
=20
TSV:
TSV stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the cup.
Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV plunged way below the zero line.  On
the right side of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line again.
During the handle formation and the BO, TSV dipped down and back up
again.
=20
I guess this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price
action because there were no divergences.  Since you mentioned
Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On Balance
Volume and/or Balance of Power.  However, I haven=92t had much success
with those indicators in the past.
=20
I=92m trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you=92re
certainly helping a great deal along with other members of this list.
Once again, thank you very much.
=20
Cheers,
Curt
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:58 PM
=20
Hi Curt,
=20
I don't think when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as
the NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in the same way that
it is on an individual stock. My take on it is simply that an index
represents a huge number of individual stocks, and while the general
price pattern will indicate a reversal of a trend or a general shift in
psychology and pattern of buying and selling in the market, the volume
doesn't really tell you the same story as it does in an individual
stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to look for a
pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher volume
than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to
look for the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an
individual stock.
=20
Katherine
----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:27 PM
=20
I=92m glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in
today=92s IBD.  I looked at the charts, and they did not appear to have
rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the
heaviest volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don=92t =
think
the indices have shown great cwh characteristics.  However, I=92m a =
novice
at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my
view. =20
=20
Curt
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:11 PM
=20
Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from
this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the
handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on
the parade!
=20
  _____ =20


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You can download the free trial =
version and
run it with the 2002 data.=A0 =
The trailing
twelve month performance (from 11/28/2001 through 11/29/2002) is
-15.9 %.=A0 The buy-and-hold =
performance
for that same time frame is -23.1 %.



 



Curt =A0=A0



 



-----Original =
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill King

Sent: =
Tuesday, November 26, =
2002 12:53 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
Volume and
CWH (was M)



 



Hi Katherine,



 



Once again, thanks for the useful info/links. I was =
impressed=A0 with the Market-tester. It looks =
like a
useful tool. He didn’t show any examples of 2002. Did he predict =
the FTD
and recommend reentering the market? Does his software need a real-time =
data
feed?



 



Bill King



 



-----Original
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm

Sent: =
Tuesday, =
November 26,
 2002 =
9:46 =
AM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
Volume and
CWH (was M)



 



Hi =
Curt,



 


I'm of a mind
that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, and as with most =
things
it just takes practice to become proficient, just as you suggested. I =
still
"practice" every day. One of the things I like so much about =
the
CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up stocks that I personally =
have
glossed over, but I use their mention of a stock to practice reading the =
chart
more closely. As chart reading is such a visual process, I think =
anything that
helps interpret the price/volume action is helpful. I'm fairly purist, =
and
stick to the simplest of indicators, but I find that the pattern of the =
Up/Down
volume helps summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of =
volume
on up days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not a =
perfect
indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little =
differently.



 


I've used the
IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can see what I mean. =
See it
at:



http://Wallstree=
t-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG



 


Another tool
I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's Excel =
spreadsheet.
It's designed to help you read the market, but can also be used to
"read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and =
distribution day
is marked with a color and is *very* easy to see patterns of =
accumulation and
distribution (yellow/orange/red for distribution, green for =
accumulation). See
the last year of the NASDAQ and you can see what I mean....plenty of red =
most
of the year, but plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of =
the cup.
See a sample at:



http://Wallst=
reet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG.
Bill's product is a moderately priced shareware program and I have no =
business
affiliation with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool =
at http://www.market-tester.com



 


Katherine=




 


 


-----
Original Message ----- 






 



From: Curt =
Corley 





To: canslim@lists.xmission.com




Sent: =
Friday, =
November 22,
 2002 =
8:30 =
PM


Subject:
[CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was M)


 



Katherine,



 =




Thanks
for your input.=A0 Your help is
invaluable.=A0 I looked at the =
indices in
TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume. =A0I looked at the NASDAQ, =
S&P-500, and
Russell 2000.=A0 Here’s =
what I found
on all 3 charts.



 =




CMS:



MoneyStream
stayed above it’s linear regression line on the left side of the =
cup, on
the right side of the cup, and during the BO.=A0
However, it stayed below the linear regression line along the =
bottom of
the cup and during the handle formation.



 =




TSV:



TSV
stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the =
cup.=A0 Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV =
plunged way
below the zero line.=A0 On the =
right side
of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line again.=A0 During the handle formation and =
the BO, TSV
dipped down and back up again.



 =




I guess
this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price action =
because
there were no divergences.=A0 =
Since you
mentioned Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On
Balance Volume and/or Balance of Power.=A0
However, I haven’t had much success with those indicators =
in the
past.



 =




I’m
trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you’re =
certainly
helping a great deal along with other members of this list.=A0 Once again, thank you very =
much.



 =




Cheers,



Curt



 =




 =




-----Original
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm

Sent: =
Thursday, =
November 21,
 2002 =
10:58 =
PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M



 


Hi =
Curt,



 


I =
don't think
when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as the NASDAQ that =
the
pattern of volume would be used in the same way that it is on an =
individual
stock. My take on it is simply that an index represents a huge number of
individual stocks, and while the general price pattern will indicate a =
reversal
of a trend or a general shift in psychology and pattern of buying and =
selling
in the market, the volume doesn't really tell you the same story as it =
does in
an individual stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to =
look
for a pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher =
volume
than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to =
look for
the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an =
individual
stock.



 


Katherine=







-----
Original Message ----- 










To: canslim@lists.xmission.com




Sent: =
Thursday, =
November 21,
 2002 =
6:27 =
PM


Subject: RE:
[CANSLIM] M



 


I’m
glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in
today’s IBD.=A0 I looked =
at the
charts, and they did not appear to have rising volume on the sides of =
the
cups.=A0 As a matter of fact, =
the heaviest
volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.=A0
I don’t think the indices have shown great cwh
characteristics.=A0 However, =
I’m a
novice at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation =
of my
view.=A0 =




 =




Curt



 =










-----Original
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short

Sent: =
Thursday, =
November 21,
 2002 =
3:11 =
PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
M



 


Speaking
of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from this =
morning about
the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the handle seems a bit
"imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on the =
parade!









 

































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Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Volume and CWH (was  M)
Date: 29 Nov 2002 11:43:13 -0600

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Correction the TTM time frame was 11/28/2001 through 11/27/2002.  I
typed in today=92s date for the end date instead of the correct date.
=20
Curt
=20
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 11:40 AM
=20
Bill,
=20
You can download the free trial version and run it with the 2002 data.
The trailing twelve month performance (from 11/28/2001 through
11/29/2002) is -15.9 %.  The buy-and-hold performance for that same time
frame is -23.1 %.
=20
Curt  =20
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill King
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 12:53 PM
=20
Hi Katherine,
=20
Once again, thanks for the useful info/links. I was impressed  with the
Market-tester. It looks like a useful tool. He didn=92t show any =
examples
of 2002. Did he predict the FTD and recommend reentering the market?
Does his software need a real-time data feed?
=20
Bill King
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:46 AM
=20
Hi Curt,
=20
I'm of a mind that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, and
as with most things it just takes practice to become proficient, just as
you suggested. I still "practice" every day. One of the things I like so
much about the CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up stocks
that I personally have glossed over, but I use their mention of a stock
to practice reading the chart more closely. As chart reading is such a
visual process, I think anything that helps interpret the price/volume
action is helpful. I'm fairly purist, and stick to the simplest of
indicators, but I find that the pattern of the Up/Down volume helps
summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of volume on up
days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not a perfect
indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little differently.
=20
I've used the IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can
see what I mean. See it at:
http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG
=20
Another tool I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's
Excel spreadsheet. It's designed to help you read the market, but can
also be used to "read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and
distribution day is marked with a color and is *very* easy to see
patterns of accumulation and distribution (yellow/orange/red for
distribution, green for accumulation). See the last year of the NASDAQ
and you can see what I mean....plenty of red most of the year, but
plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of the cup. See a
sample at:
http://Wallstreet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG. Bill's product is a
moderately priced shareware program and I have no business affiliation
with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool at
http://www.market-tester.com
=20
Katherine
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
=20
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:30 PM
=20
Katherine,
=20
Thanks for your input.  Your help is invaluable.  I looked at the
indices in TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.  I looked
at the NASDAQ, S&P-500, and Russell 2000.  Here=92s what I found on all =
3
charts.
=20
CMS:
MoneyStream stayed above it=92s linear regression line on the left side =
of
the cup, on the right side of the cup, and during the BO.  However, it
stayed below the linear regression line along the bottom of the cup and
during the handle formation.
=20
TSV:
TSV stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the cup.
Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV plunged way below the zero line.  On
the right side of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line again.
During the handle formation and the BO, TSV dipped down and back up
again.
=20
I guess this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price
action because there were no divergences.  Since you mentioned
Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On Balance
Volume and/or Balance of Power.  However, I haven=92t had much success
with those indicators in the past.
=20
I=92m trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you=92re
certainly helping a great deal along with other members of this list.
Once again, thank you very much.
=20
Cheers,
Curt
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 10:58 PM
=20
Hi Curt,
=20
I don't think when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as
the NASDAQ that the pattern of volume would be used in the same way that
it is on an individual stock. My take on it is simply that an index
represents a huge number of individual stocks, and while the general
price pattern will indicate a reversal of a trend or a general shift in
psychology and pattern of buying and selling in the market, the volume
doesn't really tell you the same story as it does in an individual
stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to look for a
pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher volume
than the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to
look for the "bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an
individual stock.
=20
Katherine
----- Original Message -----=20
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:27 PM
=20
I=92m glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in
today=92s IBD.  I looked at the charts, and they did not appear to have
rising volume on the sides of the cups.  As a matter of fact, the
heaviest volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.  I don=92t =
think
the indices have shown great cwh characteristics.  However, I=92m a =
novice
at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation of my
view. =20
=20
Curt
=20
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:11 PM
=20
Speaking of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from
this morning about the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the
handle seems a bit "imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on
the parade!
=20
  _____ =20


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Correction the TTM time frame was =
11/28/2001=
 through 11/27/2002.=A0 I typed in today’s date for =
the end
date instead of the correct date.



 



Curt



 



-----Original =
Message-----

From: Curt Corley
[mailto:cjcorley@hiwaay.net] 

Sent: Friday, November =
29, 2002
11:40 AM

To: =
'canslim@lists.xmission.com'

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
Volume and
CWH (was M)



 



Bill,<=
/span>



 =




You can download =
the free
trial version and run it with the 2002 data.=A0
The trailing twelve month performance (from 11/28/2001 through
11/29/2002) is -15.9 %.=A0 The =
buy-and-hold
performance for that same time frame is -23.1 =
%.



 =




Curt=A0=A0 



 =




-----Original =
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill King

Sent: Tuesday, November =
26, 2002
12:53 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
Volume and
CWH (was M)



 



Hi Katherine,



 



Once again, thanks for the useful info/links. I was =
impressed=A0 with the Market-tester. It looks =
like a
useful tool. He didn’t show any examples of 2002. Did he predict =
the FTD
and recommend reentering the market? Does his software need a real-time =
data
feed?



 



Bill King



 



-----Original
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm

Sent: Tuesday, November =
26, 2002
9:46 AM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
Volume and
CWH (was M)



 



Hi =
Curt,



 


I'm of a mind
that simple is better when it comes to reading charts, and as with most =
things
it just takes practice to become proficient, just as you suggested. I =
still
"practice" every day. One of the things I like so much about =
the
CANSLIM list is that people will often bring up stocks that I personally =
have
glossed over, but I use their mention of a stock to practice reading the =
chart
more closely. As chart reading is such a visual process, I think =
anything that
helps interpret the price/volume action is helpful. I'm fairly purist, =
and
stick to the simplest of indicators, but I find that the pattern of the =
Up/Down
volume helps summarize the recent action. As this is a simple ratio of =
volume
on up days to volume on down days over the last 50 days, it's not a =
perfect
indicator, but it helps "see" the P/V action a little =
differently.



 


I've used the
IWM ETF as a proxy for the Russell 2000 so that you can see what I mean. =
See it
at:



http://Wallstree=
t-LLC.com/canslim/IWM112202.JPG



 


Another tool
I use extensively and that I like very much is Bill Lee's Excel =
spreadsheet.
It's designed to help you read the market, but can also be used to
"read" any individual stock. Each accumulation and =
distribution day
is marked with a color and is *very* easy to see patterns of =
accumulation and
distribution (yellow/orange/red for distribution, green for =
accumulation). See
the last year of the NASDAQ and you can see what I mean....plenty of red =
most
of the year, but plenty of green while the Naz built the right side of =
the cup.
See a sample at:



http://Wallst=
reet-LLC.com/canslim/NASDAQ112202.JPG.
Bill's product is a moderately priced shareware program and I have no =
business
affiliation with him....just a happy customer. Read more about his tool =
at http://www.market-tester.com



 


Katherine=




 


 


-----
Original Message ----- 






 



From: Curt =
Corley 





To: canslim@lists.xmission.com




Sent: Friday, =
November 22,
2002 8:30
 PM



Subject: [CANSLIM]
Volume and CWH (was M)


 



Katherine,



 =




Thanks
for your input.=A0 Your help is
invaluable.=A0 I looked at the =
indices in
TC2000 with MoneyStream and Time Segmented Volume.=A0 I looked at the NASDAQ, =
S&P-500, and
Russell 2000.=A0 Here’s =
what I found
on all 3 charts.



 =




CMS:



MoneyStream
stayed above it’s linear regression line on the left side of the =
cup, on
the right side of the cup, and during the BO.=A0
However, it stayed below the linear regression line along the =
bottom of
the cup and during the handle formation.



 =




TSV:



TSV
stayed mainly above the center line during the left-side of the =
cup.=A0 Toward the bottom of the cup, TSV =
plunged way
below the zero line.=A0 On the =
right side
of the cup, TSV shot high above the center line again.=A0 During the handle formation and =
the BO, TSV
dipped down and back up again.



 =




I guess
this is supposed to tell me that volume supported the price action =
because
there were no divergences.=A0 =
Since you
mentioned Accumulation/Distribution, I probably should have looked at On
Balance Volume and/or Balance of Power.=A0
However, I haven’t had much success with those indicators =
in the
past.



 =




I’m
trying to become more proficient at chart reading, and you’re =
certainly
helping a great deal along with other members of this list.=A0 Once again, thank you very =
much.



 =




Cheers,



Curt



 =




 =




-----Original
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Katherine Malm

Sent: Thursday, November =
21, 2002
10:58 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] =
M



 


Hi =
Curt,



 


I =
don't think
when you're looking at patterns on major indexes such as the NASDAQ that =
the
pattern of volume would be used in the same way that it is on an =
individual stock.
My take on it is simply that an index represents a huge number of =
individual
stocks, and while the general price pattern will indicate a reversal of =
a trend
or a general shift in psychology and pattern of buying and selling in =
the
market, the volume doesn't really tell you the same story as it does in =
an
individual stock. In other words, I think that it's more important to =
look for
a pattern of accumulation outpacing distribution (up days on higher =
volume than
the previous day vs. down days on higher volume), than it is to look for =
the
"bathtub" volume pattern that one would use on an individual =
stock.



 


Katherine=










-----
Original Message ----- 
















To: canslim@lists.xmission.com




Sent: Thursday, =
November 21,
2002 6:27
 PM



Subject: RE:
[CANSLIM] M



 


I’m
glad you mentioned the General Markets & Sectors commentary in
today’s IBD.=A0 I looked =
at the
charts, and they did not appear to have rising volume on the sides of =
the
cups.=A0 As a matter of fact, =
the heaviest
volume days were at the very bottom of the cup.=A0
I don’t think the indices have shown great cwh
characteristics.=A0 However, =
I’m a
novice at this stuff, so I would appreciate any criticism or validation =
of my
view.=A0 =




 =




Curt



 =
















-----Original
Message-----

From:
owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kelly Short

Sent: Thursday, November =
21, 2002
3:11 PM

To: =
canslim@lists.xmission.com

Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] =
M



 


Speaking
of handles- what are peoples' thoughts on WON's comment from this =
morning about
the NASDAQ forming a cup and handle? Volume in the handle seems a bit
"imperfect" but I don't want to be the one to rain on the =
parade!















 










































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Subject: [CANSLIM] Market-Tester
Date: 29 Nov 2002 11:54:56 -0600

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From: Karen White 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
Date: 29 Nov 2002 14:51:59 -0800

Tom, do you mind my asking what is your VR fund? thx, karen

At 08:48 PM 11/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>my VR Fund is smiling, up 94% now on this sweet one.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Winston Little
>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:19 PM
>Subject: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
>
>A  possible short squeeze on Web Link  item????
>
>10:14AM Neoware Systems squeeze possibly triggered by IBD mention (NWRE) 
>20.05 +2.30: -- Update -- Advance in stock said to be triggered by 
>Investors Business Daily mention that stock has "moved closer to its pivot 
>point of $18." ..... the technical breakout above its $19.50 one-yr high 
>set Aug 29, which has triggered major short-covering in the stock. Almost 
>31% of co's small 13 mln share float has been sold short.


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
Date: 29 Nov 2002 19:15:04 -0500

not at all Karen. It is a mutual fund I manage at Marketocracy.com in a 3
year competition with about 50,000 others. It is Virtual Reality (hence the
shorthand of VR), where everything is real except the money. You have to
meet the regulators rules on diversification and percentage level to
maintain qualification. Trading must conform with the market, volume of
execution is limited to 10% of actual, price must also conform to actual
executions. I started off simply running a small cap tech fund, but when
they expanded the competition into sector grading, I shed most of my
non-tech, and am now a small cap Info Technology fund, with about 84% in
that sector.

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Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:51 PM


Tom, do you mind my asking what is your VR fund? thx, karen

At 08:48 PM 11/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>my VR Fund is smiling, up 94% now on this sweet one.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Winston Little
>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:19 PM
>Subject: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
>
>A  possible short squeeze on Web Link  item????
>
>10:14AM Neoware Systems squeeze possibly triggered by IBD mention (NWRE)
>20.05 +2.30: -- Update -- Advance in stock said to be triggered by
>Investors Business Daily mention that stock has "moved closer to its pivot
>point of $18." ..... the technical breakout above its $19.50 one-yr high
>set Aug 29, which has triggered major short-covering in the stock. Almost
>31% of co's small 13 mln share float has been sold short.


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From: Karen White 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
Date: 29 Nov 2002 18:25:07 -0800

Thanks for filling me in... I try to maintain my lurking position but 
sometimes curiosity get to me and I cant resist asking.  Good luck with the 
competition and I wanted to add I look forward to your friday nite newsy 
note and listing of stocks.. I pick and choose and have found some I was 
very interested in.  Thanks ...Karen.

At 07:15 PM 11/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>not at all Karen. It is a mutual fund I manage at Marketocracy.com in a 3
>year competition with about 50,000 others. It is Virtual Reality (hence the
>shorthand of VR), where everything is real except the money. You have to
>meet the regulators rules on diversification and percentage level to
>maintain qualification. Trading must conform with the market, volume of
>execution is limited to 10% of actual, price must also conform to actual
>executions. I started off simply running a small cap tech fund, but when
>they expanded the competition into sector grading, I shed most of my
>non-tech, and am now a small cap Info Technology fund, with about 84% in
>that sector.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Karen White" 
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
>
>
>Tom, do you mind my asking what is your VR fund? thx, karen
>
>At 08:48 PM 11/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >my VR Fund is smiling, up 94% now on this sweet one.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Winston Little
> >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
> >Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:19 PM
> >Subject: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
> >
> >A  possible short squeeze on Web Link  item????
> >
> >10:14AM Neoware Systems squeeze possibly triggered by IBD mention (NWRE)
> >20.05 +2.30: -- Update -- Advance in stock said to be triggered by
> >Investors Business Daily mention that stock has "moved closer to its pivot
> >point of $18." ..... the technical breakout above its $19.50 one-yr high
> >set Aug 29, which has triggered major short-covering in the stock. Almost
> >31% of co's small 13 mln share float has been sold short.
>
>
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From: Karen White 
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 30 Nov 2002 10:44:21 -0800

A little late in downloading the hunting list as I was on a brief holiday 
but once again I cant figure out how to remove those comments covering the 
stock symbols... I figured it out last month but this month im stuck... 
Help? surely someone else with the excel viewer had to look? thx Karen

At 10:06 PM 11/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Katherine, Tom and others,
>
>
>
>As a generally non-contributing lurker on this board, but extremely 
>interested investor, I continue to learn a great deal from you and the 
>other knowledgeable contributors. I look forward to your monthly Hunting 
>List and Tom s weekly list to compare with what I get from my screening.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill King
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com 
>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
>Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:49 AM
>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
>
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>
>
>I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:
>
>
>
>http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls 
>( a bit slow to load)
>
>http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip 
>( a zipped version for download)
>
>*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for 
>Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you 
>will not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see 
>http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx 
>for a free viewer.
>
>
>
>In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward growth 
>rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS at 
>least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the 200 
>day SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for 
>CANSLIM quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM 
>guidelines, you can use the autofilter feature in each column and view 
>only Price>=$12 (or 15) and AvgVol>=100000.) Other information included is 
>industry name (slightly different than DGO's names, but close enough!), 
>price, avg vol, and  links to graphs and due diligence sites on the 
>internet. This month I've also added links to Mike's and (now my!) 
>cwhcharts for each stock which displays U/D volume, RS Rank, Comparative 
>RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a couple of additional columns as an 
>outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J regarding relative 
>outperformance of certain stocks and strength of potential and current 
>leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line since the 10/10 market 
>low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been going up since that 
>date (indicating outperformance relative to the market), it is indicated 
>with a "+". I've also included a column to show the % off the 52 week high 
>for those that keep their eye focused on such things. Also note that there 
>are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy to overlook. The first 
>sheet has the listed stocks, but others include a list of stocks dropped 
>from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a sheet with misc. links 
>for free info on the web.
>
>
>
>If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it at:
>
>
>
>http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls 
>or
>
>http://WallStreet-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip
>
>
>
>This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list I 
>posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell from 
>the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. Though 
>rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of repeats 
>does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the last year. 
>It's an encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of 
>defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) and 
>into growth areas such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and Business 
>Sevices. Of particular note this month is the high representation of media 
>stocks. As a sign of *economic* strength (though not necessarily market 
>strength), this is very important. 19 names show on the list and represent 
>both print and broadcast media. AOL also announced recently that they see 
>a strengthening demand for advertising. This is an important sign, because 
>media is typically one of the strong sectors leading out of economic 
>reversionary periods. As the market is a discounting mechanism, this then 
>bodes well. Other areas with good representation are telecom (select 
>cellular and equipment companies), computer services and business 
>services. I don't see it as particularly troubling that more retailers 
>don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have dominated over the past 
>20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the question there 
>would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and other 
>quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech supports many industries and 
>great growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from consumer related 
>businesses (though it is true many growth companies do typically come from 
>innovative retailers.) It's also interesting to me that Biotech is well 
>represented on this month's list with 14 names. While this is a high-risk 
>sector, it is encouraging to see institutional money flow to it. Many 
>believe biotech will be the most important growth industry going forward. 
>I am also not troubled by the flow of money *out* of homebuilders and 
>related stocks. Again, the market is a discounting mechanism. That means 
>that if money is flowing out of this sector, the growth in housing, 
>etc.will decline. People may not be building new houses at a pace equal to 
>the last 10-15 years in the future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that 
>the consumer will no longer be healthy and spend money. The laborers and 
>supporting businesses will shift to other industries as a result in the 
>same way that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's. 
>Take a trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different city than 
>it was at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse 
>group of businesses than 20 years ago.
>
>
>
>With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly not 
>perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of 
>hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully 
>populated with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may 
>be in for an intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a 
>jungle out there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!
>
>
>
>One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list 
>stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to tell 
>if the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to 
>continue to spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no 
>way to monitor the number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback 
>to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same 
>sentiment from time to time given the amount of effort he puts into his 
>weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a pulse point.
>
>
>
>Happy Hunting,
>
>Katherine


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From: "Tom Worley" 
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
Date: 30 Nov 2002 13:49:56 -0500

Karen, click on View, then click on Comments (it's a toggle switch)

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 1:44 PM


A little late in downloading the hunting list as I was on a brief holiday
but once again I cant figure out how to remove those comments covering the
stock symbols... I figured it out last month but this month im stuck...
Help? surely someone else with the excel viewer had to look? thx Karen

At 10:06 PM 11/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Katherine, Tom and others,
>
>
>
>As a generally non-contributing lurker on this board, but extremely
>interested investor, I continue to learn a great deal from you and the
>other knowledgeable contributors. I look forward to your monthly Hunting
>List and Tom s weekly list to compare with what I get from my screening.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill King
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com
>[mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm
>Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:49 AM
>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: [CANSLIM] CANSLIM Hunting List Updated 11/22/02
>
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>
>
>I've uploaded the latest CANSLIM Hunting list to:
>
>
>
>http://WallStre
et-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.xls
>( a bit slow to load)
>
>http://WallStre
et-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting112202.zip
>( a zipped version for download)
>
>*Please note that these spreadsheets were prepared with Excel 2000 for
>Windows. If you have older versions of Excel or use a Mac version, you
>will not be able to view them properly. If you do not have Excel, see
>http://office.mic
rosoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.aspx
>for a free viewer.
>
>
>
>In order to make it to the list, the stock had to have a forward growth
>rate of at least 15%, Price at least 6, Avg Daily Vol at least 30K, RS at
>least 60, no more than 15% below the 50 day SMA, and at or above the 200
>day SMA. This is what I consider to be "bare bones" requirements for
>CANSLIM quality stocks. (Note that if you follow stricter CANSLIM
>guidelines, you can use the autofilter feature in each column and view
>only Price>=$12 (or 15) and AvgVol>=100000.) Other information included is
>industry name (slightly different than DGO's names, but close enough!),
>price, avg vol, and  links to graphs and due diligence sites on the
>internet. This month I've also added links to Mike's and (now my!)
>cwhcharts for each stock which displays U/D volume, RS Rank, Comparative
>RS vs. SPX and more. I've also added a couple of additional columns as an
>outgrowth of my recent discussion with Eric J regarding relative
>outperformance of certain stocks and strength of potential and current
>leader stocks. You'll find a column for the RS Line since the 10/10 market
>low. If the RS Line (RS compared to S&P500) has been going up since that
>date (indicating outperformance relative to the market), it is indicated
>with a "+". I've also included a column to show the % off the 52 week high
>for those that keep their eye focused on such things. Also note that there
>are 4 sheets in the workbook, though this is easy to overlook. The first
>sheet has the listed stocks, but others include a list of stocks dropped
>from the list, a summary of stocks by sector, and a sheet with misc. links
>for free info on the web.
>
>
>
>If you'd like to look at last month's hunting list, you will find it at:
>
>
>
>http://WallStre
et-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.xls
>or
>
>http://WallStre
et-LLC.com/canslim/CANSLIMHunting101802.zip
>
>
>
>This month there are 476 names, up a whopping 105 names from the list I
>posted last month just after the FTD.  This month, 125  names fell from
>the list, 230 new names came on board and 246 names are repeats. Though
>rotation on the list is still fairly severe, the large number of repeats
>does show some marked improvement over what I've seen in the last year.
>It's an encouraging sign that money seems to continue to flow out of
>defensive names such as REITS, Mining and Healthcare (hospitals/HMO's) and
>into growth areas such as Healthcare equipment/instruments and Business
>Sevices. Of particular note this month is the high representation of media
>stocks. As a sign of *economic* strength (though not necessarily market
>strength), this is very important. 19 names show on the list and represent
>both print and broadcast media. AOL also announced recently that they see
>a strengthening demand for advertising. This is an important sign, because
>media is typically one of the strong sectors leading out of economic
>reversionary periods. As the market is a discounting mechanism, this then
>bodes well. Other areas with good representation are telecom (select
>cellular and equipment companies), computer services and business
>services. I don't see it as particularly troubling that more retailers
>don't show on the list. The consumer stocks have dominated over the past
>20 (or so) years and I don't think it would be out of the question there
>would be a substantial secular shift to capital goods and other
>quasi-cyclical sectors in the future. Tech supports many industries and
>great growth stocks don't necessarily have to come from consumer related
>businesses (though it is true many growth companies do typically come from
>innovative retailers.) It's also interesting to me that Biotech is well
>represented on this month's list with 14 names. While this is a high-risk
>sector, it is encouraging to see institutional money flow to it. Many
>believe biotech will be the most important growth industry going forward.
>I am also not troubled by the flow of money *out* of homebuilders and
>related stocks. Again, the market is a discounting mechanism. That means
>that if money is flowing out of this sector, the growth in housing,
>etc.will decline. People may not be building new houses at a pace equal to
>the last 10-15 years in the future, but it's a fallacy to conclude that
>the consumer will no longer be healthy and spend money. The laborers and
>supporting businesses will shift to other industries as a result in the
>same way that they did when the oil industry collapsed in the early '80's.
>Take a trip to Houston today and you'll find it a far different city than
>it was at that time--still a lot of oil money, but a far more diverse
>group of businesses than 20 years ago.
>
>
>
>With a follow-through day under our belts, decent (though certainly not
>perfect, and still suspect) action in recent breakouts and a list of
>hunting candidates composed of less defensive names and more fully
>populated with innovative companies, it's an encouraging sign that we may
>be in for an intermediate term rally of some consequence. It's still a
>jungle out there....be sure to honor all your buy *and* sell rules!!
>
>
>
>One last note...I'm aware that there are many who will not use a list
>stocks such as this (and rightfully so), but it's always difficult to tell
>if the spreadsheet is useful to enough people on the CANSLIM list to
>continue to spend the time it takes to prepare each month. As there is no
>way to monitor the number of downloads, I'll need some individual feedback
>to gauge the value to the list. Tom Worley has often expressed the same
>sentiment from time to time given the amount of effort he puts into his
>weekly Weekend Weeview, so I am following his lead to get a pulse point.
>
>
>
>Happy Hunting,
>
>Katherine


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Subject: [CANSLIM] Worley's Weekend Weeview
Date: 01 Dec 2002 00:33:29 -0500

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ECONOMICS
Despite recent signs of weakness in the housing market, as well as the =
uncertainty of a weak economy and a poor employment market, sales of =
existing homes surprised the experts who expected a dip, and instead =
shot up 6.1% in October to tie the third highest monthly level on =
record. With two months to go, this indicator is on track for a full =
year record. Home sales, whether of existing or brand new homes, are =
doubly significant. They are a meaningful indicator of consumer =
sentiment and confidence about the future. And they are also a sizable =
measure of future consumer spending, as home buyers traditionally spend =
a lot of money fixing up, decorating, and furnishing that new home.

Bankruptcy filings continue to set new records, up 7.7% for the 12 =
months thru September. For the third quarter, filings rose 11.6%. Nice =
steady growth industry.

A survey of economists shows that they now expect the 4th Qtr GDP to =
only grow by 1.4%. Two months ago, they were predicting 2.7%. And they =
scaled down their forecast for Q1 of 2003 from 3.3% to a more anemic =
2.5%. For the full year of 2003, they are forecasting growth of 3%. The =
risks to achieving this 3% growth were "retrenchment by consumers", =
given higher odds than that of terrorism.

The Prez signed the new terrorism insurance bill last week, which may =
give a strong boost to the construction industry, insurance industry, =
and the employment market. Many major construction projects were being =
delayed due the high cost of insurance that would cover acts of =
terrorism. Now the insurance industry can write those policies at a more =
reasonable cost, and those projects can go forward, hopefully also =
creating jobs in the process.

In contrast to the sales figures for existing homes, sales of new homes =
dropped in October from the record levels of September, down 4.5%, but =
still on track for the third best year. Despite the drop, the results =
still exceeded expectations. September was also revised up.

Univ. of Michigan revised its final consumer sentiment figures for =
November, raising it to 84.2, still down from the preliminary figure of =
85.0 as well as expectations of 85.5, but well ahead of the final figure =
for October (which hit a 9 year low) of 80.6. Credited as contributing =
to the rise was a rebound in the stock market, the Fed's half point rate =
cut, and a better job market. This was the first improvement in =
sentiment in five months. The future expectations index also rose from =
October, but fell short of the preliminary November results. In a =
similar report, CNNfn reports that the Conference Board showed almost =
identical results as well on both overall consumer sentiment, and future =
expectations. =20

Third quarter GDP was revised upward to 4.0% from the original 3.1%. =
Expectations were for a revision to 3.8%. Strong car sales were =
mentioned as significant, along with improved corporate after tax =
profits. Inventory increases by business, govt spending, and the housing =
market also contributed. Overall consumer spending was up to 4.1%, a =
marked improvement from Q2's 1.8%, with much of that coming from car =
sales after all the zero interest car loan incentives. Business spending =
on a combined facilities and equipment declined 0.7%, continuing a two =
year downward trend. However, business spending on a combo of equipment =
and software increased for the second quarter.

Durable goods orders rebounded in October, up by 2.8%, led by machinery =
and equipment for communications and transport. This offsets part of the =
4.6% drop in September, and also beat forecasts of a 2.0% gain. =
Computers and electronic products were up 6.2%, communications equipment =
grew faster than any time in nearly six years.

NAPM Chicago, often signaling the national trend, rose to 54.3 in =
November from 45.9 in October. This was well ahead of expectations of a =
rise to 48.5. The employment component rose, while the prices paid =
component declined. The Nat'l ISM Index comes out Monday.

New jobless claims dropped again, second week in a row and lowest level =
in two years, down to 364,000. Expectations were for 382K. The 4 week =
moving average fell for the third week in a row, down to 385,750 from =
397K. Of course, this only means fewer workers getting laid off around =
Thanksgiving / Christmas. The claims for continuing benefits continued =
to rise, up to 3.65 million from 3.56 million. That's another 90K people =
that were unemployed at Thanksgiving.

Personal income rose 0.1% in October while personal spending rose 0.4% =
(see why I said bankruptcy is a growth industry, go EPIQ!!!). The income =
gain was expected while spending beat the forecast of a 0.3% growth.
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JAPAN
I haven't bashed this second largest economy in a while, as I waited for =
the Prime Minister to release substantive plans to resolve the enormous =
burden of defaulted loans held by their banks, capital reserves and =
acceptable accounting standards, loss reserves for bad loans, deflation, =
deficit spending by the govt, falling industrial output, unemployment at =
post WW II levels, etc. Well, pretty much everything has been released, =
and I am not impressed. Banks will be expected to accelerate disposal of =
bad loans, but adhering to international standards of identifying which =
loans are "bad", vs which ones the bankers "think" will eventually pay =
up is murky. Likewise, the use (as capital reserves) of the expectations =
of future tax credits from writing off bad loans continues for another =
six months. This alone represents about 40% of most banks reserves =
(compared to 10% for US banks, for example), and likely would force many =
into insolvency if this accounting gimmick was eliminated. The govt =
promises to cut spending next year, while simultaneously adding an extra =
spending budget to this year's deficits, and already the largest nat'l =
debt of any advanced country. Revenues for the govt were very =
optimistic, and the drop in income from tax revenues already puts them =
nearly 3 trillion yen behind projections. The plans to reform the banks =
were leaked last week, sparking a rebound in their share prices as no =
one saw anything particularly painful about the plans, as usual. Any =
decision on infusing public funds into banks to rebuild their capital =
will take another six months. Banks that fall under govt corrective =
measures will have a year (instead of 3) to improve capital reserves. A =
new inspection, to assess the true extent of bad loans, is not expected =
to be any more diligent than the past several. Probably the most =
aggressive change is a requirement that banks use Discounted Cash Flow =
(DCF) by the end of the fiscal year in March. This requires that the =
bank evaluate how much recoverable cash flow a debtor with a bad loan =
can generate in determining necessary bank reserves. Of course, as long =
as defaulted loans are still treated as receivable because the banker =
"thinks" they will eventually pay off, this is not likely to change =
much. And meanwhile, once again, the biggest boost to the Nikkei came =
when US economic data suggested that the US economy is continuing to =
recover, with the resultant demand for increased Japanese exports. Its =
way past time for the world's second largest economy to stop riding on =
the back and coattails of the US economy, and take necessary and painful =
steps to start contributing to the global economic recovery instead. The =
US economy is weak enough without this drag threatening to pull it back =
into recession.
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"M"
Once again a bullish week for me personally, with my VR Fund up another =
5.6%, and my real money I manage in my spare time up nearly 8%. This =
understandably colors my judgment, but I felt this past week, despite =
the abbreviated trading on both Wednesday and Friday, helped clarify the =
charts of the major indexes. To me, the double bottom scenario remains =
dominant. Only the Naz Composite, and the Naz 100 have yet to actually =
breech the mid-point of the "W", the R2000 came very close on Wednesday. =
The rest of the major indexes are close. If this pattern proves out to =
be dominant, it means only a small part of the trend up has been made to =
date, and there remains a long leg in this market. And yes, with every =
index now over a 20% recovery from the October low, I am becoming =
comfortable in considering this to be a new bull market, rather than a =
bull rally in a continuing bear market. Only time will tell if this is =
indeed correct, but volume lately has been encouraging as we approach =
the mid-point pivot of the "W".  Meanwhile, global money managers are =
increasing the portion of their portfolios in US stocks, mostly at the =
expense of their cash position. Europe and Japan are seeing mild cuts in =
positions. During late November, fund managers were increasing their US =
exposure to 50.9% from 49.5% in October. They were also cutting their =
exposure to fixed income, including US Treasuries. Euro zone fund =
managers were even more aggressive, raising their US exposure to 54.1% =
from 51.0%. German stocks were cut from only  4.1% down to 3.3% after =
economic indicators there showed a sixth month of declines.
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WORLEY'S WATCHLIST WANNABES=20
This list is in no way intended to recommend any stocks to the group. It =
is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health of CANSLIM's =
"M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some stocks with =
constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from =
(and of course doing your own due diligence). I am employed in =
Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is =
strictly my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views =
or opinions of my employer.

I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS ranking of 80 or better, =
and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition / buyout =
scenario. I look at all charts that meet this general RS/EPS criteria, =
focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I consider all =
industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my =
personal investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings forecast =
for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no =
due diligence, that is your responsibility. I will note any CANSLIM =
patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) bottoms, or flat bases =
(shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also note LLUR =
(Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM =
pattern. Rarely are any of these stocks of interest to me for my =
personal investing due size, price or industry group. I will note any =
stocks in which I have a current personal financial interest.

The population of stocks I am reviewing this weekend remains stable, to =
slightly declining (I suspect mostly because so many stocks are hitting =
new highs and now extended).

ASGR - stealth b/o Friday, no volume, didn't break pivot from a B5
ATRS - very young LLUR??
CFFN - c&h
CHCO - LLUR, volatile
CPWM - c&h
CTSH - B4
EBAY - nice cup, possible handle forming at 70
ESPD - high handle b/o on volume, 2nd entry or now failing??
EXPD - c&h
FCFS - c&h, in my VR Fund
GRMN - nice cup
HLTH - cup, double bottom??
IDXC - c&h, in my VR Fund
IRM - B2+
JOSB - high handle
KSWS - high handle
LXK - high handle
MBT - handle forming on the cup
MNTR - 2nd base forming on the handle?
MVL - c&h
NXTL - handle continues to form
OKSB - c&h
SLE - B6
SRT - c&h, or double bottom??

Happy Hunting,


Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: TexWorley
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ECONOMICS


Despite recent signs of weakness in the housing =
market, as=20
well as the uncertainty of a weak economy and a poor employment market, =
sales of=20
existing homes surprised the experts who expected a dip, and instead =
shot up=20
6.1% in October to tie the third highest monthly level on record. With =
two=20
months to go, this indicator is on track for a full year record. Home =
sales,=20
whether of existing or brand new homes, are doubly significant. They are =
a=20
meaningful indicator of consumer sentiment and confidence about the =
future. And=20
they are also a sizable measure of future consumer spending, as home =
buyers=20
traditionally spend a lot of money fixing up, decorating, and furnishing =
that=20
new home.


 


Bankruptcy filings continue to set new records, =
up 7.7%=20
for the 12 months thru September. For the third quarter, filings rose =
11.6%.=20
Nice steady growth industry.


 


A survey of economists shows that they now =
expect the 4th=20
Qtr GDP to only grow by 1.4%. Two months ago, they were predicting 2.7%. =
And=20
they scaled down their forecast for Q1 of 2003 from 3.3% to a more =
anemic 2.5%.=20
For the full year of 2003, they are forecasting growth of 3%. The risks =
to=20
achieving this 3% growth were "retrenchment by consumers", given higher =
odds=20
than that of terrorism.


 


The Prez signed the new terrorism insurance bill =
last=20
week, which may give a strong boost to the construction industry, =
insurance=20
industry, and the employment market. Many major construction projects =
were being=20
delayed due the high cost of insurance that would cover acts of =
terrorism. Now=20
the insurance industry can write those policies at a more reasonable =
cost, and=20
those projects can go forward, hopefully also creating jobs in the=20
process.


 


In contrast to the sales figures for existing =
homes, sales=20
of new homes dropped in October from the record levels of September, =
down 4.5%,=20
but still on track for the third best year. Despite the drop, =
the=20
results still exceeded expectations. September was also revised =
up.


 


Univ. of Michigan revised its final consumer =
sentiment=20
figures for November, raising it to 84.2, still down from the =
preliminary figure=20
of 85.0 as well as expectations of 85.5, but well ahead of the final =
figure for=20
October (which hit a 9 year low) of 80.6. Credited as contributing to =
the rise=20
was a rebound in the stock market, the Fed's half point rate cut, and a =
better=20
job market. This was the first improvement in sentiment in five months. =
The=20
future expectations index also rose from October, but fell short of the=20
preliminary November results. In a similar report, CNNfn reports that =
the=20
Conference Board showed almost identical results as well on both overall =

consumer sentiment, and future expectations.  3D""


 


Third quarter GDP was revised upward to 4.0% =
from the=20
original 3.1%. Expectations were for a revision to 3.8%. Strong car =
sales were=20
mentioned as significant, along with improved corporate after tax =
profits.=20
Inventory increases by business, govt spending, and the housing market =
also=20
contributed. Overall consumer spending was up to 4.1%, a marked =
improvement from=20
Q2's 1.8%, with much of that coming from car sales after all the zero =
interest=20
car loan incentives. Business spending on a combined facilities and =
equipment=20
declined 0.7%, continuing a two year downward trend. However, business =
spending=20
on a combo of equipment and software increased for the second=20
quarter.


 


Durable goods orders rebounded in October, up by =
2.8%, led=20
by machinery and equipment for communications and transport. This =
offsets part=20
of the 4.6% drop in September, and also beat forecasts of a 2.0% gain. =
Computers=20
and electronic products were up 6.2%, communications equipment grew =
faster than=20
any time in nearly six years.


 


NAPM Chicago, often signaling the national =
trend, rose to=20
54.3 in November from 45.9 in October. This was well ahead of =
expectations of a=20
rise to 48.5. The employment component rose, while the prices paid =
component=20
declined. The Nat'l ISM Index comes out Monday.


 


New jobless claims dropped again, second week in =
a row and=20
lowest level in two years, down to 364,000. Expectations were for 382K. =
The 4=20
week moving average fell for the third week in a row, down to 385,750 =
from 397K.=20
Of course, this only means fewer workers getting laid off around =
Thanksgiving /=20
Christmas. The claims for continuing benefits continued to rise, up to =
3.65=20
million from 3.56 million. That's another 90K people that were =
unemployed at=20
Thanksgiving.


 


Personal income rose 0.1% in October while =
personal=20
spending rose 0.4% (see why I said bankruptcy is a growth industry, go =
EPIQ!!!).=20
The income gain was expected while spending beat the forecast of a 0.3% =
growth.





JAPAN


I haven't bashed this second largest economy in =
a while,=20
as I waited for the Prime Minister to release substantive plans to =
resolve the=20
enormous burden of defaulted loans held by their banks, capital reserves =
and=20
acceptable accounting standards, loss reserves for bad loans, deflation, =
deficit=20
spending by the govt, falling industrial output, unemployment at post WW =
II=20
levels, etc. Well, pretty much everything has been released, and I am =
not=20
impressed. Banks will be expected to accelerate disposal of bad loans, =
but=20
adhering to international standards of identifying which loans are =
"bad", vs=20
which ones the bankers "think" will eventually pay up is murky. =
Likewise, the=20
use (as capital reserves) of the expectations of future tax credits from =
writing=20
off bad loans continues for another six months. This alone represents=20
about 40% of most banks reserves (compared to 10% for US banks, for =

example), and likely would force many into insolvency if this accounting =
gimmick=20
was eliminated. The govt promises to cut spending next year, while=20
simultaneously adding an extra spending budget to this year's deficits, =
and=20
already the largest nat'l debt of any advanced country. Revenues for the =
govt=20
were very optimistic, and the drop in income from tax revenues already =
puts them=20
nearly 3 trillion yen behind projections. The plans to reform the banks =
were=20
leaked last week, sparking a rebound in their share prices as no one saw =

anything particularly painful about the plans, as usual. Any decision on =

infusing public funds into banks to rebuild their capital will take =
another six=20
months. Banks that fall under govt corrective measures will have a year =
(instead=20
of 3) to improve capital reserves. A new inspection, to assess the true =
extent=20
of bad loans, is not expected to be any more diligent than the past =
several.=20
Probably the most aggressive change is a requirement that banks use =
Discounted=20
Cash Flow (DCF) by the end of the fiscal year in March. This requires =
that the=20
bank evaluate how much recoverable cash flow a debtor with a bad loan =
can=20
generate in determining necessary bank reserves. Of course, as long as =
defaulted=20
loans are still treated as receivable because the banker "thinks" they =
will=20
eventually pay off, this is not likely to change much. And meanwhile, =
once=20
again, the biggest boost to the Nikkei came when US economic data =
suggested that=20
the US economy is continuing to recover, with the resultant demand for =
increased=20
Japanese exports. Its way past time for the world's second largest =
economy to=20
stop riding on the back and coattails of the US economy, and take =
necessary and=20
painful steps to start contributing to the global economic recovery =
instead. The=20
US economy is weak enough without this drag threatening to pull it back =
into=20
recession.





"M"


Once again a bullish week for me personally, =
with my VR=20
Fund up another 5.6%, and my real money I manage in my spare time up =
nearly 8%.=20
This understandably colors my judgment, but I felt this past week, =
despite the=20
abbreviated trading on both Wednesday and Friday, helped clarify the =
charts of=20
the major indexes. To me, the double bottom scenario remains dominant. =
Only the=20
Naz Composite, and the Naz 100 have yet to actually breech the mid-point =
of the=20
"W", the R2000 came very close on Wednesday. The rest of the major =
indexes are=20
close. If this pattern proves out to be dominant, it means only a small =
part of=20
the trend up has been made to date, and there remains a long leg in this =
market.=20
And yes, with every index now over a 20% recovery from the October low, =
I am=20
becoming comfortable in considering this to be a new bull market, rather =
than a=20
bull rally in a continuing bear market. Only time will tell if this is =
indeed=20
correct, but volume lately has been encouraging as we approach the =
mid-point=20
pivot of the "W".  Meanwhile, global money managers are increasing =
the=20
portion of their portfolios in US stocks, mostly at the expense of their =
cash=20
position. Europe and Japan are seeing mild cuts in positions. During =
late=20
November, fund managers were increasing their US exposure to 50.9% from =
49.5% in=20
October. They were also cutting their exposure to fixed income, =
including US=20
Treasuries. Euro zone fund managers were even more aggressive, raising =
their US=20
exposure to 54.1% from 51.0%. German stocks were cut from only  =
4.1% down=20
to 3.3% after economic indicators there showed a sixth month of =
declines.





WORLEY'S WATCHLIST=20
WANNABES 














This list is in no way intended to recommend any =
stocks to=20
the group. It is a part of my regular personal assessment of the health =
of=20
CANSLIM's "M" and, as the name implies, only intended to identify some =
stocks=20
with constructive chart patterns that may be worth WATCHING and learning from (and of =
course doing=20
your own due diligence). I am employed =
in=20
Operations by a US Broker Dealer, however everything presented by me is =
strictly=20
my own ideas and in no way should be taken to reflect the views or =
opinions of=20
my employer.


 


I typically list stocks with both RS and EPS =
ranking of 80=20
or better, and try to exclude stocks undergoing any merger / acquisition =
/=20
buyout scenario. I look at all charts that meet =
this general RS/EPS=20
criteria, focusing on ones at or close to a new 12 month high. I =
consider all=20
industry groups and prices, even those I will not consider for my =
personal=20
investing. I no longer will actively consider earnings =
forecast=20
for this year and next due the confusing data presented by DGO. I do no due diligence, that is your =
responsibility. I will=20
note any CANSLIM patterns I see, such as c&h, double (or triple) =
bottoms, or=20
flat bases (shown as Bx where "x" is the # of weeks, IMO). I will also =
note LLUR=20
(Lower Left Upper Right) even though it is not exactly a CANSLIM =
pattern. Rarely=20
are any of these stocks of interest to me for my personal investing due =
size,=20
price or industry group. I will note any stocks in which I have a =
current=20
personal financial interest.


 


The population of stocks I am reviewing this =
weekend=20
remains stable, to slightly declining (I suspect mostly because so many =
stocks=20
are hitting new highs and now extended).


 


ASGR - stealth b/o Friday, no volume, didn't break pivot from a =
B5


ATRS - very young LLUR??


CFFN - c&h


CHCO - LLUR, volatile


CPWM - c&h


CTSH - B4


EBAY - nice cup, possible handle forming at 70


ESPD - high handle b/o on volume, 2nd entry or now failing??


EXPD - c&h


FCFS - c&h, in my VR Fund


GRMN - nice cup


HLTH - cup, double bottom??


IDXC - c&h, in my VR Fund


IRM - B2+


JOSB - high handle


KSWS - high handle


LXK - high handle


MBT - handle forming on the cup


MNTR - 2nd base forming on the handle?


MVL - c&h


NXTL - handle continues to form


OKSB - c&h


SLE - B6


SRT - c&h, or double bottom??


 


Happy Hunting,


 


3D""


Tom Worley
stkguru@bellsouth.net
AIM: =

TexWorley


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From: Gene Ricci 
Subject: [CANSLIM] VR Fund
Date: 30 Nov 2002 13:04:59 -0600

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Tom, is your VR fund accessible to view by the 'public'?

Gene
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Tom Worley=20
  To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
  Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 6:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???


  not at all Karen. It is a mutual fund I manage at Marketocracy.com in =
a 3
  year competition with about 50,000 others. It is Virtual Reality =
(hence the
  shorthand of VR), where everything is real except the money. You have =
to
  meet the regulators rules on diversification and percentage level to
  maintain qualification. Trading must conform with the market, volume =
of
  execution is limited to 10% of actual, price must also conform to =
actual
  executions. I started off simply running a small cap tech fund, but =
when
  they expanded the competition into sector grading, I shed most of my
  non-tech, and am now a small cap Info Technology fund, with about 84% =
in
  that sector.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Karen White" 
  To: 
  Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 5:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???


  Tom, do you mind my asking what is your VR fund? thx, karen

  At 08:48 PM 11/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:
  >my VR Fund is smiling, up 94% now on this sweet one.
  >
  >----- Original Message -----
  >From: Winston Little
  >To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
  >Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:19 PM
  >Subject: [CANSLIM] SHORT SQUEEZE ???
  >
  >A  possible short squeeze on Web Link  item????
  >
  >10:14AM Neoware Systems squeeze possibly triggered by IBD mention =
(NWRE)
  >20.05 +2.30: -- Update -- Advance in stock said to be triggered by
  >Investors Business Daily mention that stock has "moved closer to its =
pivot
  >point of $18." ..... the technical breakout above its $19.50 one-yr =
high
  >set Aug 29, which has triggered major short-covering in the stock. =
Almost
  >31% of co's small 13 mln share float has been sold short.


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Tom, is your VR fund accessible to =
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Gene


  
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  From:=20
  Tom=20
  Worley 
  
  
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 =
6:15=20
  PM

  
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT =
SQUEEZE=20
  ???

  

not at all Karen. It is a mutual fund I manage at=20
  Marketocracy.com in a 3
year competition with about 50,000 others. =
It is=20
  Virtual Reality (hence the
shorthand of VR), where everything is =
real=20
  except the money. You have to
meet the regulators rules on =
diversification=20
  and percentage level to
maintain qualification. Trading must =
conform with=20
  the market, volume of
execution is limited to 10% of actual, price =
must=20
  also conform to actual
executions. I started off simply running a =
small cap=20
  tech fund, but when
they expanded the competition into sector =
grading, I=20
  shed most of my
non-tech, and am now a small cap Info Technology =
fund, with=20
  about 84% in
that sector.

----- Original Message =
-----
From:=20
  "Karen White" <karenwhite7@charter.net>To:=20
  <canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>
Sent:=20
  Friday, November 29, 2002 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] SHORT =
SQUEEZE=20
  ???


Tom, do you mind my asking what is your VR fund? thx,=20
  karen

At 08:48 PM 11/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>my VR =
Fund is=20
  smiling, up 94% now on this sweet one.
>
>----- Original =
Message=20
  -----
>From: <Winston">mailto:wlittle1@peoplepc.co=
m>Winston=20
  Little
>To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com">mai=
lto:canslim@lists.xmission.com>canslim@lists.xmission.com
>S=
ent:=20
  Monday, November 25, 2002 12:19 PM
>Subject: [CANSLIM] SHORT =
SQUEEZE=20
  ???
>
>A  possible short squeeze on Web Link =20
  item????
>
>10:14AM Neoware Systems squeeze possibly =
triggered by=20
  IBD mention (NWRE)
>20.05 +2.30: -- Update -- Advance in stock =
said to=20
  be triggered by
>Investors Business Daily mention that stock has =
"moved=20
  closer to its pivot
>point of $18." ..... the technical breakout =
above=20
  its $19.50 one-yr high
>set Aug 29, which has triggered major=20
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>31% of co's small 13 mln =
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