From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #1163 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Tuesday, February 27 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1163 In this issue: [none] RE: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachm ents RE: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachm ents Re: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachm ents [CANSLIM] RCII [CANSLIM] Relief Rally on Monday Re: [CANSLIM] RCII RE: [CANSLIM] RCII RE: [CANSLIM] RCII RE: [CANSLIM] RCII RE: [CANSLIM] RCII RE: [CANSLIM] RCII [CANSLIM] Selling Strategies Re: [CANSLIM] Chris and his CANSLIM approach ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:10:46 -0700 From: jeff.salisbury@xmission.com Subject: [none] (EST) Received: by nvlex03.nvl.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <1LYL3PDP>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:42:48 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Moore, Timothy R Mr EOIR" To: "'canslim@lists.xmission.com'" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachm ents Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:41:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I running Windows NT but if I remember correctly it is the same for Win95. double click on "My Computer" or Open Window Explorer (not IE) from the view menu item, select options click on the view tab Uncheck "Hide file extension for known file types" box, Press the Apply button and press OK On Win95, it may be under properties instead of options or it may be "Hide MS-DOS File Extension" box If the above fails use the Start Menu => Help and enter Hiding file extension - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:01 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachments Could someone post instructions for checking my settings to be sure my Windows 95 / IE 5.0 will display the full file name with extensions, and not just stop at the first period? Thanks, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ICQ # 5568838 - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:41:25 -0500 From: "Moore, Timothy R Mr EOIR" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachm ents I running Windows NT but if I remember correctly it is the same for Win95. double click on "My Computer" or Open Window Explorer (not IE) from the view menu item, select options click on the view tab Uncheck "Hide file extension for known file types" box, Press the Apply button and press OK On Win95, it may be under properties instead of options or it may be "Hide MS-DOS File Extension" box If the above fails use the Start Menu => Help and enter Hiding file extension - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:01 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachments Could someone post instructions for checking my settings to be sure my Windows 95 / IE 5.0 will display the full file name with extensions, and not just stop at the first period? Thanks, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ICQ # 5568838 - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:24:26 -0600 (CST) From: Pritish Shah Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachm ents In outlook express you can also look at the properties of the attachment and that will give the full name. Just right click on the attachment and see the full filename. Regards, Pritish On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Moore, Timothy R Mr EOIR wrote: > I running Windows NT but if I remember correctly it is the same for Win95. > double click on "My Computer" or Open Window Explorer (not IE) > from the view menu item, select options > click on the view tab > Uncheck "Hide file extension for known file types" box, > Press the Apply button and press OK > > On Win95, it may be under properties instead of options or it may be "Hide > MS-DOS File Extension" box > > If the above fails use the Start Menu => Help and enter Hiding file > extension > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:01 PM > To: CANSLIM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of > attachments > > Could someone post instructions for checking my settings to be > sure my Windows 95 / IE 5.0 will display the full file name with > extensions, and not just stop at the first period? > > Thanks, > > Tom Worley > stkguru@netside.net > ICQ # 5568838 > > - > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:17:54 -0500 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachm ents Thanks to everyone for all the helpful suggestions. I finally got headed in the right direction by one member (think it was Norman?) who told me to try Start / Settings / Control Panel / View - select Folder Options, then the View tab. And it's right there, just make sure the box is unchecked for "Hide file extensions of known types". In my case, I was ok, it had not been checked. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ICQ # 5568838 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Moore, Timothy R Mr EOIR To: Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachm ents I running Windows NT but if I remember correctly it is the same for Win95. double click on "My Computer" or Open Window Explorer (not IE) from the view menu item, select options click on the view tab Uncheck "Hide file extension for known file types" box, Press the Apply button and press OK On Win95, it may be under properties instead of options or it may be "Hide MS-DOS File Extension" box If the above fails use the Start Menu => Help and enter Hiding file extension - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Worley [mailto:stkguru@netside.net] Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:01 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] Setting for viewing full file extensions of attachments Could someone post instructions for checking my settings to be sure my Windows 95 / IE 5.0 will display the full file name with extensions, and not just stop at the first period? Thanks, Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ICQ # 5568838 - - - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:12:58 -0800 From: Dan Subject: [CANSLIM] RCII Chris's rcii looks good today - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 06:56:57 -0500 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: [CANSLIM] Relief Rally on Monday This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0A08A.7A7394E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice relief rally, about time we had one. Anyone concerned about the = lack of volume? Does this mean that Thursday was the capitulation day on Naz, and Thu / = Fri on NYSE? I do note that RS continues to trend upward on NYSE nicely, and appears = to have turned upward on Naz. NYSE looking more like it completed a double bottom based reversal. Comments welcome on last week's and Monday's action. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net ICQ # 5568838 - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0A08A.7A7394E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nice relief rally, about time we had one. Anyone = concerned=20 about the lack of volume?
 
Does this mean that Thursday was the capitulation = day on Naz,=20 and Thu / Fri on NYSE?
 
I do note that RS continues to trend upward on NYSE = nicely,=20 and appears to have turned upward on Naz.
 
NYSE looking more like it completed a double bottom = based=20 reversal.
 
Comments welcome on last week's and Monday's=20 action.

Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
ICQ #=20 5568838
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0A08A.7A7394E0-- - - ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2001 06:47:49 -0800 From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RCII I did do the non-CANSLIM thang yesterday and bot RCII near the close. Discipline? What's that? At 11:12 PM 2/26/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Chris's rcii looks good today Tim Fisher, 1995 President, Pacific Fishery Biologists Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site PFB Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:04:02 -0500 From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RCII So you will buy an obviously extended stock like RCII in clear violation of CANSLIM rules. Yet, on Friday you violently respond to my message about DAKT pulling back to its pivot point: "...why would anyone in their right mind nibble at anything right now ... That is how people blow their capital and have to drop their ISP because they can't afford the $20/month anymore." By the way, DAKT never did close below its pivot (16) and its back near 18 now. Hope you don't have to drop your ISP anytime soon :-) - -- Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:48 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RCII > > > I did do the non-CANSLIM thang yesterday and bot RCII near the close. > Discipline? What's that? > > At 11:12 PM 2/26/2001 -0800, you wrote: > >Chris's rcii looks good today > > Tim Fisher, 1995 President, Pacific Fishery Biologists > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > PFB Information > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:17:48 -0600 (CST) From: Pritish Shah Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RCII Life is full of cynics :) Just a joke -- please do not flame me. Pritish On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Dave Rubin wrote: > So you will buy an obviously extended stock like RCII in clear violation of > CANSLIM rules. Yet, on Friday you violently respond to my message about DAKT > pulling back to its pivot point: "...why would anyone in their right mind > nibble at anything right now ... That is how people blow their capital and > have to drop their ISP because they can't afford the $20/month anymore." > > By the way, DAKT never did close below its pivot (16) and its back near 18 > now. > > Hope you don't have to drop your ISP anytime soon :-) > > -- > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:48 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RCII > > > > > > I did do the non-CANSLIM thang yesterday and bot RCII near the close. > > Discipline? What's that? > > > > At 11:12 PM 2/26/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > >Chris's rcii looks good today > > > > Tim Fisher, 1995 President, Pacific Fishery Biologists > > Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site > > PFB Information > > mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW http://OreRockOn.com > > > > > > - > > > > > - > > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:13:04 -0800 From: Tim Fisher Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RCII 1. I do not consider RCII to be extended. It is an HTF in my view, a legitimate WON chart. 2. I am not playing with money I cannot afford to lose. It's all retirement funds, and I'm a long way from retiring. 3. When I wrote that, all the market indices were in a freefall. As Tom pointed out, for the (very) short term, things look(ed) less than bleak, if not exactly favorable for CANSLIM stocks. 4. I put a <8% stop on it and my other recent purchase, EASI. I am willing to donate commissions in exchange for preserving capital in this M. 5. DAKT was not breaking out on vol on Friday; as you pointed out, it was pulling back, the breakout was failing, the market was crashing, . Quite a difference between DAKT on Fri and RCII yesterday. And yes Virginia, it did violate its pivot on Friday, treading down to 15-1/2, pivot was 16. 6. Violence is impossible via email. Unless you send mailbombs ;) On 07:04 AM 2/27/01, Dave Rubin Said: >So you will buy an obviously extended stock like RCII in clear violation of >CANSLIM rules. Yet, on Friday you violently respond to my message about DAKT >pulling back to its pivot point: "...why would anyone in their right mind >nibble at anything right now ... That is how people blow their capital and >have to drop their ISP because they can't afford the $20/month anymore." > >By the way, DAKT never did close below its pivot (16) and its back near 18 >now. > >Hope you don't have to drop your ISP anytime soon :-) > >-- >Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:48 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RCII > > > > > > I did do the non-CANSLIM thang yesterday and bot RCII near the close. > > Discipline? What's that? > > > > At 11:12 PM 2/26/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > >Chris's rcii looks good today > > Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:53:29 -0500 From: "Dave Rubin" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RCII Points taken. I still consider the DAKT BO to have held (it violated the pivot intraday but closed above it). I agree the volume activity makes it an imperfect candidate. I don't see your point about RCII, though. If the CH breakout was 1/23 there has not been enough time to form a second base. I don't know much about HTF, but from what I do know, it is a very rare formation that usually happens in a bull market. If on Friday, things looked bleak, I don't think a decent 1-day rally changes that outlook. As WON says, we need a confirmation day before we can even consider that "M" is coming back. - -- Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:13 AM > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RCII > > > 1. I do not consider RCII to be extended. It is an HTF in my view, a > legitimate WON chart. > 2. I am not playing with money I cannot afford to lose. It's all > retirement > funds, and I'm a long way from retiring. > 3. When I wrote that, all the market indices were in a freefall. As Tom > pointed out, for the (very) short term, things look(ed) less than > bleak, if > not exactly favorable for CANSLIM stocks. > 4. I put a <8% stop on it and my other recent purchase, EASI. I > am willing > to donate commissions in exchange for preserving capital in this M. > 5. DAKT was not breaking out on vol on Friday; as you pointed out, it was > pulling back, the breakout was failing, the market was crashing, > . Quite a > difference between DAKT on Fri and RCII yesterday. And yes > Virginia, it did > violate its pivot on Friday, treading down to 15-1/2, pivot was 16. > 6. Violence is impossible via email. Unless you send mailbombs ;) > > On 07:04 AM 2/27/01, Dave Rubin Said: > >So you will buy an obviously extended stock like RCII in clear > violation of > >CANSLIM rules. Yet, on Friday you violently respond to my > message about DAKT > >pulling back to its pivot point: "...why would anyone in their right mind > >nibble at anything right now ... That is how people blow their > capital and > >have to drop their ISP because they can't afford the $20/month anymore." > > > >By the way, DAKT never did close below its pivot (16) and its > back near 18 > >now. > > > >Hope you don't have to drop your ISP anytime soon :-) > > > >-- > >Dave > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:48 AM > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RCII > > > > > > > > > I did do the non-CANSLIM thang yesterday and bot RCII near the close. > > > Discipline? What's that? > > > > > > At 11:12 PM 2/26/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Chris's rcii looks good today > > > > > Tim Fisher > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > See naked fish and rocks! > > > - > - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:23:39 -0800 From: Tim Fisher Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RCII Read the HTMMIS piece on High Tight Flags, then study the RCII chart. Usually a stock advances steadily after a breakout for a matter of days to weeks, then puts in a short, flat base with a narrow daily trading range and low volume compared to the advance. While not perfect, RCII's HTF is the best I have seen for a long, long time, including the great bull of 1999. And I do believe (once again) that I stated that I did the non-CANSLIM thing by buying on a confirmation day that does not count, being too close to the bottom. On 08:53 AM 2/27/01, Dave Rubin Said: >Points taken. I still consider the DAKT BO to have held (it violated the >pivot intraday but closed above it). I agree the volume activity makes it an >imperfect candidate. > >I don't see your point about RCII, though. If the CH breakout was 1/23 there >has not been enough time to form a second base. I don't know much about HTF, >but from what I do know, it is a very rare formation that usually happens in >a bull market. > >If on Friday, things looked bleak, I don't think a decent 1-day rally >changes that outlook. As WON says, we need a confirmation day before we can >even consider that "M" is coming back. > >-- >Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:13 AM > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RCII > > > > > > 1. I do not consider RCII to be extended. It is an HTF in my view, a > > legitimate WON chart. > > 2. I am not playing with money I cannot afford to lose. It's all > > retirement > > funds, and I'm a long way from retiring. > > 3. When I wrote that, all the market indices were in a freefall. As Tom > > pointed out, for the (very) short term, things look(ed) less than > > bleak, if > > not exactly favorable for CANSLIM stocks. > > 4. I put a <8% stop on it and my other recent purchase, EASI. I > > am willing > > to donate commissions in exchange for preserving capital in this M. > > 5. DAKT was not breaking out on vol on Friday; as you pointed out, it was > > pulling back, the breakout was failing, the market was crashing, > > . Quite a > > difference between DAKT on Fri and RCII yesterday. And yes > > Virginia, it did > > violate its pivot on Friday, treading down to 15-1/2, pivot was 16. > > 6. Violence is impossible via email. Unless you send mailbombs ;) > > > > On 07:04 AM 2/27/01, Dave Rubin Said: > > >So you will buy an obviously extended stock like RCII in clear > > violation of > > >CANSLIM rules. Yet, on Friday you violently respond to my > > message about DAKT > > >pulling back to its pivot point: "...why would anyone in their right mind > > >nibble at anything right now ... That is how people blow their > > capital and > > >have to drop their ISP because they can't afford the $20/month anymore." > > > > > >By the way, DAKT never did close below its pivot (16) and its > > back near 18 > > >now. > > > > > >Hope you don't have to drop your ISP anytime soon :-) > > > > > >-- > > >Dave > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Tim Fisher > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 9:48 AM > > > > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > > > > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RCII > > > > > > > > > > > > I did do the non-CANSLIM thang yesterday and bot RCII near the close. > > > > Discipline? What's that? > > > > > > > > At 11:12 PM 2/26/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > > > >Chris's rcii looks good today > > > > > > > > Tim Fisher > > Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites > > > > Tim@OreRockOn.com > > WWW: http://OreRockOn.com > > See naked fish and rocks! > > > > > > - > > > > >- Tim Fisher Ore-Rock-On and Pacific Fishery Biologists WWW Sites Tim@OreRockOn.com WWW: http://OreRockOn.com See naked fish and rocks! - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: John Subject: [CANSLIM] Selling Strategies - --0-538962650-983296936=:52549 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1660188779-983296936=:52549" - --0-1660188779-983296936=:52549 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been re-reading WON's selling rules and surprisingly to me, I did not find a place where he said to sell when the market averages fall (he certainly is clear that one should not buy in a falling market). What he does say in 24 Essential Lessons for Investment Success (TELIS?) is: “If the real market leaders in a particular industry break down in price, are being sold in volume and are unable to gain much ground, then most of the others in the group will probably be vulnerable and should be considered for selling.” I interpret this to mean that the sector is falling rather than the market. In any case, I was stopped out of FRNT yesterday. This is an example of when a hard stop-loss order worked well. Yesterday FRNT announced that it projected flat earnings. Today FRNT is down 32% -- most of which occurred overnight. Unless one had a particular sell price in mind and was watching like a hawk, it is unlikely one would have gotten out in time. (Attached is a 5-day chart of FRNT) John - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Personal Address - Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. - --0-1660188779-983296936=:52549 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 I have been re-reading WON's selling rules and surprisingly to me, I did not find a place where he said to sell when the market averages fall (he certainly is clear that one should not buy in a falling market).  What he does say in 24 Essential Lessons for Investment Success (TELIS?) is: 



 “If the real market leaders in a particular industry break down in price, are being sold in volume and are unable to gain much ground, then most of the others in the group will probably be vulnerable and should be considered for selling.”   



I interpret this to mean that the sector is falling rather than the market.



In any case, I was stopped out of FRNT yesterday.   This is an example of when a hard stop-loss order worked well.  Yesterday FRNT announced that it projected flat earnings.  Today FRNT is down 32% -- most of which occurred overnight.  Unless one had a particular sell price in mind and was watching like a hawk, it is unlikely one would have gotten out in time. (Attached is a 5-day chart of FRNT)



 John



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My instinctual response to that question = is "intermediate-term." But really, the time frame is subordinate to the = performance of each stock. In HTMMIS, O'Neil's primary selling points = are the 8% loss, up 20%, and when the stock stops acting right, as = clarified by his list of selling rules. All of these are = performance-based, not time-based. Also, several of the personal = examples in HTMMIS O'Neil held for years. << What you must understand is there are many new speculators in this = group that have come here to learn WON's ideas as postulated in his = books. In general, the more experienced people on this list are doing a = disservice to the new people if we don't keep the conversation on track. = >> Most of the topics raised the last few days can be discussed within a = CANSLIM context. Going back to Chris's picks, for example, he relied = heavily on "L" and group action when initiating his positions, both of = which are key components of CANSLIM. Other folks here who are taking = positions may want to discuss why they are willing to invest during an = unfavorable "M." We may learn that they don't perceive "M" to be working = against them, which would be a potentially very interesting and = education discussion for everyone. << I am certainly guilty of being abrasive to aberrations of WON's = original methods lately but that is only to help keep the newbies from = losing money in a market that more experienced players are playing = around with. >> It's not abrasiveness so much as a lack of interest in delving into why = some of the people here are investing differently than the others. We're = letting potential learning opportunities pass us by.=20 - - Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Squires=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Chris and his CANSLIM approach Hi Jeff, =20 Out performance is the only thing I am interested. If what you say = about Jeff's approach is true I certainly would be interested in his = imput. However, if he details what he has been doing you will probably = find he is not trading in a CS time frame or a CS approach. What you = must understand is there are many new speculators in this group that = have come here to learn WON's ideas as postulated in his books. In = general, the more experienced people on this list are doing a disservice = to the new people if we don't keep the conversation on track. I am = certainly guilty of being abrasive to aberrations of WON's original = methods lately but that is only to help keep the newbies from losing = money in a market that more experienced players are playing around with. = If you have studied WON and his disciples the only conclusion you must = come to is your account should be in 100% cash and has been very close = to that since September 1 2000. Now, is my account 100% cash? Hell no, = because I trade 3 time frames. However, the CS portion has been between = 0 and 12% invested since 9/1/00. Recently, a member has suggested that = WON's "vague" approach could not be applied in an objective way. The = truth is, any approach that has real potential has a large intuitive = component and WON's methods are certainly no exception. However, if = WON's methods are applied in a strict way with a dose of intuition they = simply CRUSH index returns.=20 =20 =20 Good Trading, =20 DSquires =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Mulder=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] Chris and his CANSLIM approach When Chris started posting here, he informed us that he uses a = modified version of CANSLIM, yet several people subsequently have = criticized his picks for falling short of pure CANSLIM, and much of the = criticism has come from people who use modified versions of CANSLIM = themselves. Also, some people have criticized him for buying into an = unfavorable "M," even though many of those same people have said that = they currently hold stocks. If this is the only feedback Chris receives here, eventually he will = stop posting. That would be a shame, because regardless of what we think = of his individual picks, his participation reinforces larger truths = about the CANSLIM strategy.=20 Chris has earned a significant return so far this year using a = CANSLIM variation in a very challenging environment. I think the group = would be better served studying his approach instead of dismissing it. = Perhaps we could learn tactics to improve our own performances. Chris, if you would be so kind to indulge us, please explain how you = are applying CANSLIM right now -- how you are identifying your picks, = why you decide to buy them when you do, when you plan to sell them, = whether the approach you're using right now differs from the approach = you use in more favorable market conditions, etc. In addition, I would enjoy hearing your strategy behind selling your = EASI at $34 hoping to rebuy it at $32.50 - $33. Since you would rebuy = the stock at a price so close to your sell point, this is obviously a = stock you want to hold. Thus, I don't understand why you would risk = losing your position just to gain 3%-4% by selling it where you did and = rebuying it a tad lower.=20 - Jeff - ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C0A0C0.388E78C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<< However, if he details what he = has been=20 doing you will probably find he is not trading in a CS time frame or a = CS=20 approach. >>
 
What is the CANSLIM timeframe? My = instinctual=20 response to that question is "intermediate-term." But really, the time = frame is=20 subordinate to the performance of each stock. In HTMMIS, O'Neil's = primary=20 selling points are the 8% loss, up 20%, and when the stock stops acting = right,=20 as clarified by his list of selling rules. All of these are = performance-based,=20 not time-based. Also, several of the personal examples in HTMMIS O'Neil = held for=20 years.
 
<< What you must understand is = there are many=20 new speculators in this group that have come here to learn WON's ideas = as=20 postulated in his books. In general, the more experienced people on this = list=20 are doing a disservice to the new people if we don't keep the = conversation on=20 track. >>
 
Most of the topics raised the last few = days can be=20 discussed within a CANSLIM context. Going back to=20 Chris's picks, for example, he relied heavily on "L" and group action = when=20 initiating his positions, both of which are key components of CANSLIM. = Other=20 folks here who are taking positions may want to discuss why they are = willing to=20 invest during an unfavorable "M." We may learn that they don't perceive = "M" to=20 be working against them, which would be a potentially very interesting = and=20 education discussion for everyone.
 
<< I am certainly guilty of being = abrasive to=20 aberrations of WON's original methods lately but that is only to = help keep=20 the newbies from losing money in a market that more = experienced players are=20 playing around with. >>
 
It's not abrasiveness so much as a lack = of interest=20 in delving into why some of the people here are investing differently = than the=20 others. We're letting potential learning opportunities pass us by. =
 
- Jeff
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 David=20 Squires
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 = 9:41=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Chris = and his=20 CANSLIM approach

Hi Jeff,
 
Out performance is the only thing I am interested. = If what=20 you say about Jeff's approach is true I certainly would be interested = in his=20 imput. However, if he details what he has been doing you will probably = find he=20 is not trading in a CS time frame or a CS approach. What you must = understand is there are many new speculators in this group that have = come here=20 to learn WON's ideas as postulated in his books. In general, the more=20 experienced people on this list are doing a disservice to the new = people if we=20 don't keep the conversation on track. I am certainly guilty of being = abrasive=20 to aberrations of WON's original methods lately but that is only = to help=20 keep the newbies from losing money in a market that more=20 experienced players are playing around with. If you have studied = WON and=20 his disciples the only conclusion you must come to is your account = should be=20 in 100% cash and has been very close to that since September 1 = 2000. Now,=20 is my account 100% cash? Hell no, because I trade 3 time frames. = However, the=20 CS portion has been between 0 and 12% invested since 9/1/00. Recently, = a=20 member has suggested that WON's "vague" approach could not be applied = in an=20 objective way. The truth is, any approach that has real potential has = a large=20 intuitive component and WON's methods are certainly no exception. = However, if=20 WON's methods are applied in a strict way with a dose of intuition = they simply=20 CRUSH index returns.
 
 
Good Trading,
 
DSquires
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff = Mulder=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com =
Sent: Sunday, February 25, = 2001 4:17=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] Chris and = his=20 CANSLIM approach

When Chris started posting here, he = informed us=20 that he uses a modified version of CANSLIM, yet several people = subsequently=20 have criticized his picks for falling short of pure CANSLIM, and = much of the=20 criticism has come from people who use modified versions of CANSLIM=20 themselves. Also, some people have criticized him for buying into an = unfavorable "M," even though many of those same people have said = that they=20 currently hold stocks.
 
If this is the only feedback Chris = receives=20 here, eventually he will stop posting. That would be a shame, = because=20 regardless of what we think of his individual picks, his = participation=20 reinforces larger truths about the CANSLIM strategy.
 
Chris has earned a significant = return so far=20 this year using a CANSLIM variation in a very challenging = environment. I=20 think the group would be better served studying his approach instead = of=20 dismissing it. Perhaps we could learn tactics to improve our own=20 performances.
 
Chris, if you would be so kind to = indulge us,=20 please explain how you are applying CANSLIM right now -- how you are = identifying your picks, why you decide to buy them when you do, when = you=20 plan to sell them, whether the approach you're using right now = differs from=20 the approach you use in more favorable market conditions, = etc.
 
In addition, I would enjoy hearing = your=20 strategy behind selling your EASI at $34 hoping to rebuy it at = $32.50 - $33.=20 Since you would rebuy the stock at a price so close to your sell = point, this=20 is obviously a stock you want to hold. Thus, I don't understand why = you=20 would risk losing your position just to gain 3%-4% by selling it = where you=20 did and rebuying it a tad lower.
-=20 Jeff
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