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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 =
4:42=20
PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO eps =
vs=20
others
We have used DGO for about the same =
period of=20
time and are about ready to drop it. We also have contacted them =
regarding=20
upgrades only to get the same meaningless replies. For what you pay =
for the=20
service it does not make sense that they limit you to their canned =
reports=20
which you then have to download to Excel to make any use of. We too =
are=20
frustrated by the absence of weekly charts (and the ones at =
Investors.com are=20
not very good). Does anyone recommend any other web sites besides=20
HGS?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, =
2001 10:52=20
AM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO eps vs =
others
Hi all, I'm a new member and will do a little =
intro=20
later.
I have used DGO online since January and am unhappy =
that they=20
have not
provided weekly charts YET and that they are unwilling =
to add=20
any data to
their "Daily printed product index" (roe, 3-5 yr eps =
growth=20
rate, etc.). I
have emailed them a number of times. =
I=20
work around this by creating a
master excel sheet for my "watch =
list"=20
and then pull in the daily numbers for
those stocks.
I=20
questioned DGO on what eps it was using, Here's there =
response:=20
6/12/01 4:07 PM
Thank you for your recent email to =
Daily=20
Graphs Online. Our Quarterly
EPS numbers are consistent and =
comparable=20
when looking at prior EPS
data. Part of Mr. O'Neil's investing=20
philosophy is to look at
"normalized" EPS. Therefore, we exclude =
non-recurring items when we can.
Here are some of the items we =
exclude=20
when after-tax amounts are
provided:
* =
=20
restructuring charges
* =
=20
gain from sale of interest in another company =
* =20
merger charges
* =
=20
litigation charges
* =
=20
amortization of intangiles (when net income excluding the
amort. =
is=20
provided
Also, we follow pro forma for the following =
reasons:
* to =
reflect=20
restatement due to pooling of interest acquisition
* =
=20
change in tax status from S corp to C corp=20
* conversion of pfd stk =
related to=20
co's IPO
There are many other items that may be =
excluded.=20
The general idea is
that the item should be non-recurring in =
nature and=20
the after-tax amount
must be provided.
If you =
have any=20
other questions or comments, feel free to email us back.=20
Regards,
Jorge
Daily Graphs Online=20
Joe =
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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 18:02:12 -0400
From: "Tom Worley"
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] DGO eps vs others
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Hi Joe,
I trust you know that the Daily Printed Product Index report has two =
floater columns, that change daily?
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Jwpowers1@aol.com=20
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 1:52 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO eps vs others
Hi all, I'm a new member and will do a little intro later.=20
I have used DGO online since January and am unhappy that they have not =
provided weekly charts YET and that they are unwilling to add any data =
to=20
their "Daily printed product index" (roe, 3-5 yr eps growth rate, =
etc.). I=20
have emailed them a number of times. I work around this by creating =
a=20
master excel sheet for my "watch list" and then pull in the daily =
numbers for=20
those stocks.=20
I questioned DGO on what eps it was using, Here's there response:=20
6/12/01 4:07 PM=20
Thank you for your recent email to Daily Graphs Online. Our Quarterly=20
EPS numbers are consistent and comparable when looking at prior EPS=20
data. Part of Mr. O'Neil's investing philosophy is to look at=20
"normalized" EPS. Therefore, we exclude non-recurring items when we =
can.=20
Here are some of the items we exclude when after-tax amounts are=20
provided:=20
* restructuring charges=20
* gain from sale of interest in another company=20
* merger charges=20
* litigation charges=20
* amortization of intangiles (when net income excluding the=20
amort. is provided=20
Also, we follow pro forma for the following reasons:=20
* to reflect restatement due to pooling of interest =
acquisition=20
* change in tax status from S corp to C corp=20
* conversion of pfd stk related to co's IPO=20
There are many other items that may be excluded. The general idea is=20
that the item should be non-recurring in nature and the after-tax =
amount=20
must be provided.=20
If you have any other questions or comments, feel free to email us =
back.=20
Regards,=20
Jorge=20
Daily Graphs Online=20
Joe=20
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Hi Joe,
I trust you know that the Daily Printed Product =
Index report=20
has two floater columns, that change daily?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 =
1:52=20
PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] DGO eps vs=20
others
Hi all, I'm a new member and will do a little =
intro later.=20
I have used DGO online since January and am unhappy that they =
have not=20
provided weekly charts YET and that they are unwilling to add any =
data to=20
their "Daily printed product index" (roe, 3-5 yr eps growth rate, =
etc.).=20
I
have emailed them a number of times. I work =
around=20
this by creating a
master excel sheet for my "watch list" and then =
pull in=20
the daily numbers for
those stocks.
I questioned DGO on =
what eps=20
it was using, Here's there response:
6/12/01 4:07 PM=20
Thank you for your recent email to Daily Graphs Online. Our =
Quarterly=20
EPS numbers are consistent and comparable when looking at prior =
EPS=20
data. Part of Mr. O'Neil's investing philosophy is to look at=20
"normalized" EPS. Therefore, we exclude non-recurring items when =
we can.=20
Here are some of the items we exclude when after-tax amounts are=20
provided:
* =20
restructuring charges
* gain =
from=20
sale of interest in another company
* =
=20
merger charges
* =
litigation=20
charges
* amortization of =
intangiles=20
(when net income excluding the
amort. is provided =
Also, we=20
follow pro forma for the following reasons:
* =
=20
to reflect restatement due to pooling of interest =
acquisition
* change in tax =
status=20
from S corp to C corp
* =
conversion=20
of pfd stk related to co's IPO
There are many other =
items that=20
may be excluded. The general idea is
that the item should be =
non-recurring=20
in nature and the after-tax amount
must be provided. =
If=20
you have any other questions or comments, feel free to email us back.=20
Regards,
Jorge
Daily Graphs Online=20
Joe
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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 18:11:43 -0400
From: "Tom Worley"
Subject: [CANSLIM] QP2 vs DGO
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Hi Group,
I decided to do a little side by side comparison of these two systems. I =
used Tim's list posted on Monday (presumably using Friday's closing =
data) and today's DGO (so Tuesday's data) so it was not an exact =
comparison.
It appears that QP2 has EPS and RS very close to DGO, with one =
exception. Where the difference comes in, and significantly changes ERG, =
is with their number for GRS. I expected that this was due to different =
group classification, but that was mostly not the case (I added DGO's =
for comparison). It appears that anyone using HGS, and relying on ERG as =
a primary sorting or screening tool, should go about 10 points beyond =
their normal cutoff point to prevent missing stocks they want to see.
The magnitude of difference in group ranking cannot be explained away in =
two days of light trading.
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM: TexWorley
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Hi Group,
I decided to do a little side by side comparison of =
these two=20
systems. I used Tim's list posted on Monday (presumably using Friday's =
closing=20
data) and today's DGO (so Tuesday's data) so it was not an exact=20
comparison.
It appears that QP2 has EPS and RS very close to =
DGO, with one=20
exception. Where the difference comes in, and significantly changes ERG, =
is with=20
their number for GRS. I expected that this was due to different group=20
classification, but that was mostly not the case (I added DGO's for =
comparison).=20
It appears that anyone using HGS, and relying on ERG as a primary =
sorting or=20
screening tool, should go about 10 points beyond their normal cutoff =
point to=20
prevent missing stocks they want to see.
The magnitude of difference in group ranking cannot =
be=20
explained away in two days of light trading.
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MNTG,293,292,97,97,99,99,97,96,A,A,A,A,LEIS_GAMES,
TARO,293,292,98,98,99,99,96,95,A,A,A,A,MED_GEN,
RLRN,291,292,97,97,96,96,98,99,A,A,A,A,COMPS_EDU,
IGT,286,286,97,97,92,93,97,96,A,A,A,A,LEIS_GAMES,
DGX,285,285,99,99,91,89,95,97,A,A,A,A,MEDDEN_SERV,
PENN,285,285,91,91,97,98,97,96,A,A,A,A,LEIS_GAMES,
CPRT,280,279,97,97,93,91,90,91,A,A,A,A,COMM_MISC,
CKP,278,276,87,87,98,97,93,92,A,B,B,B,COMM_SECURE,
CNTL,278,280,98,98,99,99,81,83,B,B,B,B,MEDDEN_SUPP,
PECS,278,285,97,97,99,99,82,89,B,B,A,A,INTNET-NTWK,INTERNET-NETWORK
COCO,276,277,99,99,95,94,82,84,B,B,A,A,COMM_SCHOOL,
DIAN,276,278,96,96,85,85,95,97,C,C,B,B,MEDDEN_SERV,
NYCB,276,275,98,98,95,95,83,82,A,A,A,A,BANK_NE,
ALLY,275,274,79,79,99,99,97,96,A,A,-,-,LEIS_GAMES,
ANF,275,262,93,93,98,98,84,71,B,B,A,A,RET_CLOTHES,RETAIL APPAREL/SHOES
ASCA,275,274,79,79,99,99,97,96,A,A,C,C,LEIS_GAMES,
HRB,275,278,93,93,92,94,90,91,A,A,A,A,COMM_MISC,
FIC,274,274,92,92,96,96,86,86,A,A,A,A,COMPS_FIN,
ESI,273,275,95,95,96,96,82,84,A,A,A,A,COMM_SCHOOL,
LNCR,273,275,91,90,90,91,92,94,C,B,A,A,MED_OUTPAT,
MGL,273,275,79,79,99,99,95,97,A,A,D,D,MEDDEN_SERV,
APOL,271,273,98,98,91,91,82,84,B,B,A,A,COMM_SCHOOL,
KKD,270,278,97,97,97,98,76,83,A,A,A,A,RET_REST,
ACF,269,273,99,99,97,97,73,77,A,B,A,A,FIN_CONSUMER,FINANCE - =
CONSUMER/COMML
AMHC,269,271,75,75,99,99,95,97,A,A,C,C,MEDDEN_SERV,
EASI,269,268,97,97,99,98,73,73,B,C,A,A,ELEC_MILITARY,ELEC-MILITARY
UCOR,269,272,77,77,97,98,95,97,C,C,C,C,MEDDEN_SERV,
DFXI,267,263,99,99,97,96,71,68,A,A,A,A,LEIS_PRODS,
WTSLA,267,254,88,88,95,95,84,71,A,A,C,C,RET_CLOTHES,RET-APPAREL/SHOES
MMS,266,269,86,86,90,92,90,91,A,A,A,A,COMM_MISC,
STRA,266,268,88,88,96,96,82,84,B,B,A,A,COMM_SCHOOL,
OSM,265,268,80,80,95,95,90,93,A,A,D,D,POLUTE_EQUIP,
EDMC,264,266,95,95,87,87,82,84,B,B,A,A,COMM_SCHOOL,
SRDX,264,264,98,98,97,97,69,69,B,B,A,A,MED_INST,
WGOV,263,267,96,96,97,97,70,74,A,A,C,C,ELEC_CONTROL,
RMD,262,274,98,98,89,91,75,85,B,B,A,A,MED_PRODS,MEDICAL PRODUCTS
BZH,259,259,98,98,98,98,63,63,B,B,B,B,BUILD_RES,
MTH,259,259,98,98,98,98,63,63,B,B,A,A,BUILD_RES,
APPB,258,264,93,93,89,88,76,83,B,B,A,A,RET_REST,RETAIL-RESTAURANTS
SRCL,256,263,91,97,85,87,80,79,C,C,B,B,POLUTE_SERVICE,POLLUTION CTRL =
SVCS
CACI,254,261,89,89,97,96,68,76,A,B,B,B,COMP_SERV,COMPUTER SVCS
FHRX,253,265,79,79,96,96,78,90,B,B,A,A,MED_ETH,MEDICAL-ETHICAL DRUGS
BPFH,252,252,81,81,88,89,83,82,A,A,A,A,BANK_NE,
CIMA,252,265,79,79,95,96,78,90,B,A,A,A,MED_ETH,MEDICAL-ETHICAL DRUGS
RTEC,252,251,79,79,86,85,87,87,C,B,A,A,ELEC_SEMIEQIUP,ELEC-SEMICONDUCTOR =
EQUIP
PSFT,251,239,82,82,97,97,72,60,A,A,B,B,COMPS_ENT,COMPUTER =
SFTWRE-ENTERPRISE
RYL,251,253,98,98,90,92,63,63,B,B,B,B,BUILD_RES,
CEFT,250,249,98,98,87,91,65,60,B,B,A,A,FIN_MISC,FIN SVCS - MISC
CSGS,250,262,97,97,85,89,68,76,B,B,A,A,COMP_SERV,COMPUTER SVCS
IART,249,259,79,79,95,95,75,85,A,A,C,C,MED_PRODS,MEDICAL PRODUCTS
ICUI,248,256,91,91,82,80,75,85,B,B,A,A,MED_PRODS,MEDICAL PRODUCTS
LEN,244,246,99,99,82,84,63,63,B,B,A,A,BUILD_RES,
BSYS,243,256,92,92,83,88,68,76,C,B,A,A,COMP_SERV,COMPUTER SVCS
CYTC,241,251,79,79,87,87,75,85,A,A,A,A,MED_PRODS,MEDICAL PRODUCTS
ESCM,241,255,79,79,93,88,69,88,A,B,A,A,MED_INST,MEDICAL INSTRUMENTS
FED,237,236,96,96,79,76,62,64,C,D,A,A,FIN_S&L,
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