From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #1871 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Sunday, December 2 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1871 In this issue: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Winner Check [CANSLIM] ENE OT RANT Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS [none] [CANSLIM] Market [CANSLIM] RE: prep for a long term falt market [CANSLIM] TEST Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Winner Check Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Things I Learned Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Things I Learned [CANSLIM] Market Cycles ( was: Clarify Group RS) Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Things I Learned - Now an investors.com sugg Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Things I Learned - Industry Group Graphs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:19:30 -0600 From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Winner Check This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_036C_01C17A49.484DBCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable e, I also noticed the list in Wed paper. I also noticed some stocks that = have been bantered around by this group - AZO, DYII, MIKE and PECS - and = some that have been on my watch lists for weeks-months (and likely = other's lists) - AZO, CACI, DYII, GTK, JAKK, LOW, MCAF, MIKE, MGAM, = PECS. It has been observed by this group that IBD does a little 'hind = sighting' when writing about stocks and this may be one of those cases. = While there are stocks on this list that presented good, if not = excellent buy points, - BBI, BPRX CACI, DYII, GTK, JAKK, MGAM, PECS - = there were others that, looking back, I can't see where I could have bot = in - AZO, GNSS, ITRI, KRON, LOW, MCAF. And, there are those whose = metrics are not very canslim for one reason or another IMO - BBI, GNSS, = LOW, MCAF, MGAM. All in all, I agree with the thought that IBD is = pointing to some stocks that strict CANSLIM rules would keep me out of. = But this is not new for them. I have learned to look for this tendency = in their writings and take it into consideration. I don't look at these = examples as stocks where I could/should have bot, but as an indication = of the M condition. I think this is how the writer meant the examples = to be taken. Norm - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "esetser" To: Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:27 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Winner Check > Did anyone else notice that the IBD called out some winners to show = that > this market isn't so bad after all? This was in Wed Big Picture, and = I > took some time to see what I've been missing. The stocks mentioned = were > examples of breakouts that IBD says "a growing contingent (of stocks) = is > acting fine." >=20 > The list was: >=20 > AZO=20 > BBI=20 > BPRX=20 > CACI=20 > DYII=20 > GNSS =20 > GTK > ITRI > JAKK > KRON > LOW > MCAF > MIKE > MGAM > PECS >=20 > I looked through the stocks and found very few that I would have = purchased. > Maybe I need to lower my standards? There were some strange > characteristics: Group Strength D, 4 week base, EPS=3D51, several = stocks with > only the last quarter with good earnings growth, one stock that gapped = from > the low of it's base to a new 52 week high in one day (nice right side = of > the cliff, er CUP?), etc. Overall, out of these 15 stocks, I only saw > maybe 3 or 4 that I would have considered at the time. In fact, I = think > the stocks we have seen failing would generally look much better to me = that > these. Anyone want to take a look and see if they agree? > =20 >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >=20 >=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_036C_01C17A49.484DBCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
e,
 
I also noticed the list in Wed paper.  I also noticed some = stocks that=20 have been bantered around by this group - AZO, DYII, MIKE and PECS - and = some=20 that have been on my watch lists for weeks-months (and likely other's = lists) -=20 AZO, CACI, DYII, GTK, JAKK, LOW, MCAF, MIKE, MGAM, PECS.  It has = been=20 observed by this group that IBD does a little 'hind sighting' when = writing about=20 stocks and this may be one of those cases.  While there are stocks = on this=20 list that presented good, if not excellent buy points, - BBI, BPRX CACI, = DYII,=20 GTK, JAKK, MGAM, PECS - there were others that, looking back, I can't = see where=20 I could have bot in - AZO, GNSS, = ITRI, KRON,=20 LOW, MCAF.  And, there are those whose metrics are not very canslim = for one=20 reason or another IMO - BBI, GNSS, LOW, MCAF, MGAM.  All in all, I = agree=20 with the thought that IBD is pointing to some stocks that = strict CANSLIM=20 rules would keep me out of.  But this is not new for them.  I = have=20 learned to look for this tendency in their writings and take it into=20 consideration.  I don't look at these examples as stocks where I=20 could/should have bot, but as an indication of the M condition.  I = think=20 this is how the writer meant the examples to be taken.
 
Norm
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "esetser" <esetser@covad.net>
To: <canslim@xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:27 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Winner Check

> Did anyone else notice that the IBD called out some = winners=20 to show that
> this market isn't so bad after all?  This was = in Wed=20 Big Picture, and I
> took some time to see what I've been = missing. =20 The stocks mentioned were
> examples of breakouts that IBD says "a = growing=20 contingent (of stocks) is
> acting fine."
>
> The = list=20 was:
>
> AZO 
> BBI 
> = BPRX 
>=20 CACI 
> DYII 
> GNSS 
> GTK
>=20 ITRI
> JAKK
> KRON
> LOW
> MCAF
> = MIKE
>=20 MGAM
> PECS
>
> I looked through the stocks and found = very=20 few that I would have purchased.
>  Maybe I need to lower my=20 standards?  There were some strange
> characteristics: Group = Strength=20 D, 4 week base, EPS=3D51, several stocks with
> only the last = quarter with=20 good earnings growth, one stock that gapped from
> the low of it's = base to=20 a new 52 week high in one day (nice right side of
> the cliff, er = CUP?),=20 etc.  Overall, out of these 15 stocks, I only saw
> maybe 3 = or 4 that=20 I would have considered at the time.  In fact, I think
> the = stocks=20 we have seen failing would generally look much better to me that
> = these.  Anyone want to take a look and see if they agree?
>=20  
>
> -
> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ; -In the=20 email body, write "subscribe canslim" or
> -"unsubscribe = canslim". =20 Do not use quotes in your email.
>
> - ------=_NextPart_000_036C_01C17A49.484DBCE0-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 11:14:20 -0600 From: "Norman" Subject: [CANSLIM] ENE OT RANT Can't say that I have ever seen a stock with an RS of 1, before. I guess that removes it from the CANSLIM screens :-) But hey, it has a 13% 3 year earnings growth rate and a 90% 3 yr sales growth rate! :-) Can we say L-E-G-A-L A-C-T-I-O-N? - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 09:18:10 -0800 From: "Chris Mc" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C17A49.185F8900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Katherine: >>Just like if you don't have the C & the A, you better have the N & = the L. It's up to us which "sin" we want to commit. In "easy" bull markets, I think you can fudge and get away with this. = But the market we are in and the market that we will be in for the next = 15 years or so will not allow for fudging. It's going to be very hard = work and stock picking skills will be of utmost importance. I hope you means MONTHS, not years! Chris Mc - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C17A49.185F8900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Katherine:
 
 
>>Just like if you don't have = the C &=20 the A, you better have the N & the L.    It's up to = us=20 which "sin" we want to commit.
 
In "easy" bull = markets, I think you=20 can fudge and get away with this. But the market we are in and the = market that=20 we will be in for the next 15 years or so will not allow for fudging. = It's=20 going to be very hard work and stock picking skills will be of utmost=20 importance.
 
I hope you means MONTHS, not = years!
 
Chris = Mc
- ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C17A49.185F8900-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:49:27 -0600 From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_02FA_01C17A55.D8FDB900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, Believe it or not, that wasn't a typo. I have one of those big wall = charts from IBD called "50 Years of News & Markets" purchased back in = '98. Sometimes I put it very, very far away from me across the room and = remind myself, that over 50 years the faint black line I see is trending = up. But then, every once and a while I get up very close and look at the = detail. What has always struck me about this chart is the period from = 1965-1981. It has oscillations up and down, but when you draw a trend = line, it's sideways. Sideways for 16 years! Criminey, 16 YEARS. After = such a period of reckless squandering of investment dollars and a very = long period of "up," I'd put the odds of that happening again way up = there. So, just in case, I'm preparing myself for such an environment. Katherine ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Mc=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS >>Just like if you don't have the C & the A, you better have the N & = the L. It's up to us which "sin" we want to commit. In "easy" bull markets, I think you can fudge and get away with = this. But the market we are in and the market that we will be in for the = next 15 years or so will not allow for fudging. It's going to be very = hard work and stock picking skills will be of utmost importance. I hope you means MONTHS, not years! Chris Mc - ------=_NextPart_000_02FA_01C17A55.D8FDB900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
 
Believe it or not, that wasn't a typo. = I have one=20 of those big wall charts from IBD called "50 Years of News & = Markets"=20 purchased back in '98. Sometimes I put it very, very far away from = me=20 across the room and remind myself, that over 50 years the faint black = line I see=20 is trending up. But then, every once and a while I get up very close and = look at=20 the detail. What has always struck me about this chart is the period = from=20 1965-1981. It has oscillations up and down, but when you draw a trend = line, it's=20 sideways. Sideways for 16 years! Criminey, 16 YEARS. = After such=20 a period of reckless squandering of investment dollars and a very long = period of=20 "up," I'd put the odds of that happening again way up there. So, just in = case,=20 I'm preparing myself for such an environment.
 
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris = Mc=20
Sent: Saturday, December 01, = 2001 11:18=20 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = (CANSLIM) Clarify=20 Group RS
 
>>Just like if you don't have = the C &=20 the A, you better have the N & the L.    It's up to = us=20 which "sin" we want to commit.
 
In "easy" bull = markets, I think=20 you can fudge and get away with this. But the market we are in and = the=20 market that we will be in for the next 15 years or so will not allow = for=20 fudging. It's going to be very hard work and stock picking skills = will be of=20 utmost importance.
 
I hope you means MONTHS, not=20 years!
 
Chris=20 Mc
- ------=_NextPart_000_02FA_01C17A55.D8FDB900-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 15:03:43 -0700 From: jeff.salisbury@xmission.com Subject: [none] Dec 2001 10:46:47 PST Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:46:47 -0800 (PST) From: John Kruger Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS To: canslim@lists.xmission.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't disagree with the likelyhood of a multi-year flat world economy (although all projections of what the economy will do in the far future tend to be wrong), but I would note that this would only be bad news for those planning on buy index funds and hold them for 15+ years. John - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:49 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS Chris, Believe it or not, that wasn't a typo. I have one of those big wall charts from IBD called "50 Years of News & Markets" purchased back in '98. Sometimes I put it very, very far away from me across the room and remind myself, that over 50 years the faint black line I see is trending up. But then, every once and a while I get up very close and look at the detail. What has always struck me about this chart is the period from 1965-1981. It has oscillations up and down, but when you draw a trend line, it's sideways. Sideways for 16 years! Criminey, 16 YEARS. After such a period of reckless squandering of investment dollars and a very long period of "up," I'd put the odds of that happening again way up there. So, just in case, I'm preparing myself for such an environment. Katherine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:18:31 +0100 From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] Market Hi, back from Jamaica I work on getting up to date and found out that I would have made good money with CHKP (non CANSLIM) and BPRX that I covered before I went to Jamaica. I am especially interested in the M. Are we still in a confirmed rally / bull market despite some recent diss days? http://www.growthstockanalytics.com says yes. What is the opinion of WO? Thanks for your help. Andreas - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:24:11 -0600 From: "John Adair" Subject: [CANSLIM] RE: prep for a long term falt market Katherine , I am wondering how are you preparing for this long flat market. Mentally or do you have some strategy. I have never learned anything except a trending market and sitting on the sidelines. Bonds are a start. Caroline told me today about "I" bonds which I know little except they are purchased from the bank. I wonder what the inflation was doing in that period of stagnation of the market. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of jeff.salisbury@xmission.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Dec 2001 10:46:47 PST Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 10:46:47 -0800 (PST) From: John Kruger Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS To: canslim@lists.xmission.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't disagree with the likelyhood of a multi-year flat world economy (although all projections of what the economy will do in the far future tend to be wrong), but I would note that this would only be bad news for those planning on buy index funds and hold them for 15+ years. John - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:49 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS Chris, Believe it or not, that wasn't a typo. I have one of those big wall charts from IBD called "50 Years of News & Markets" purchased back in '98. Sometimes I put it very, very far away from me across the room and remind myself, that over 50 years the faint black line I see is trending up. But then, every once and a while I get up very close and look at the detail. What has always struck me about this chart is the period from 1965-1981. It has oscillations up and down, but when you draw a trend line, it's sideways. Sideways for 16 years! Criminey, 16 YEARS. After such a period of reckless squandering of investment dollars and a very long period of "up," I'd put the odds of that happening again way up there. So, just in case, I'm preparing myself for such an environment. Katherine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 01:30:43 +0100 From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: [CANSLIM] TEST TEST - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:25:48 -0700 From: "Patrick Wahl" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS If I remember my market history, the Dow approached or just edged over 1000 in the late 60's, and then didn't get back to that level until 1981, so the seventies were a pretty stagnant period. Hopefully we won't have to endure something like that, but if it could happen once, guess it can happen again. On 1 Dec 2001 at 10:49, Katherine Malm wrote: > Chris, > > Believe it or not, that wasn't a typo. I have one of those big wall charts from IBD called "50 Years of News & Markets" purchased back in '98. Sometimes I put it very, very far away from me across the room and remind myself, that over 50 years the faint black line I see is trending up. But then, every once and a while I get up very close and look at the detail. What has always struck me about this chart is the period from 1965-1981. It has oscillations up and down, but when you draw a trend line, it's sideways. Sideways for 16 years! Criminey, 16 YEARS. After such a period of reckless squandering of investment dollars and a very long period of "up," I'd put the odds of that happening again way up there. So, just in case, I'm preparing myself for such an environment. > > Katherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Mc > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS > > >>Just like if you don't have the C & the A, you better have the N & the L. It's up to us which "sin" we want to commit. > > In "easy" bull markets, I think you can fudge and get away with this. But the market we are in and the market that we will be in for the next 15 years or so will not allow for fudging. It's going to be very hard work and stock picking skills will be of utmost importance. > > I hope you means MONTHS, not years! > > Chris Mc > - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:14:59 -0800 (PST) From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS Perhaps someone would dare to do the math, but how many years of flat gains for the market (you pick the index) would it take for those big gains of 98 and 99 to regress to the mean of 11% I have felt something like this would be due, but didn't want to speak about it. Now that Katherine has let the cat out of the bag... I guess the damage is done. Sort of like the IBDcurse ;-) Kent Norman - --- Katherine Malm wrote: > Chris, > > Believe it or not, that wasn't a typo. I have one of > those big wall charts from IBD called "50 Years of > News & Markets" purchased back in '98. Sometimes I > put it very, very far away from me across the room > and remind myself, that over 50 years the faint > black line I see is trending up. But then, every > once and a while I get up very close and look at the > detail. What has always struck me about this chart > is the period from 1965-1981. It has oscillations up > and down, but when you draw a trend line, it's > sideways. Sideways for 16 years! Criminey, 16 YEARS. > After such a period of reckless squandering of > investment dollars and a very long period of "up," > I'd put the odds of that happening again way up > there. So, just in case, I'm preparing myself for > such an environment. > > Katherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Mc > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 11:18 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] (CANSLIM) Clarify Group RS > > >>Just like if you don't have the C & the A, you > better have the N & the L. It's up to us which > "sin" we want to commit. > > In "easy" bull markets, I think you can fudge > and get away with this. But the market we are in and > the market that we will be in for the next 15 years > or so will not allow for fudging. It's going to be > very hard work and stock picking skills will be of > utmost importance. > > I hope you means MONTHS, not years! > > Chris Mc > ===== Opportunities always look bigger going than coming. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:20:12 -0800 (PST) From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] IBD Winner Check Since they do monitor this group, perhaps they may take the hint to be more explicit in stating the article is an example of market conditions, or the specific stock CS qualities. Kent Norman - --- Norman wrote: I have learned to look > for this tendency in their writings and take it into > consideration. I don't look at these examples as > stocks where I could/should have bot, but as an > indication of the M condition. I think this is how > the writer meant the examples to be taken. > > Norm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "esetser" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 11:27 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] IBD Winner Check > > > > Did anyone else notice that the IBD called out > some winners to show that > > this market isn't so bad after all? This was in > Wed Big Picture, and I > > took some time to see what I've been missing. The > stocks mentioned were > > examples of breakouts that IBD says "a growing > contingent (of stocks) is > > acting fine." > > > > The list was: > > > > AZO > > BBI > > BPRX > > CACI > > DYII > > GNSS > > GTK > > ITRI > > JAKK > > KRON > > LOW > > MCAF > > MIKE > > MGAM > > PECS > > > > I looked through the stocks and found very few > that I would have purchased. > > Maybe I need to lower my standards? There were > some strange > > characteristics: Group Strength D, 4 week base, > EPS=51, several stocks with > > only the last quarter with good earnings growth, > one stock that gapped from > > the low of it's base to a new 52 week high in one > day (nice right side of > > the cliff, er CUP?), etc. Overall, out of these > 15 stocks, I only saw > > maybe 3 or 4 that I would have considered at the > time. In fact, I think > > the stocks we have seen failing would generally > look much better to me that > > these. Anyone want to take a look and see if they > agree? > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > > > > ===== Opportunities always look bigger going than coming. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 19:25:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kent Norman Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Things I Learned It would be nice if they put a + or - next to the GRS to indicate is has gone up or down from before Then a simple sort would yield the improving groups. Kent Norman - --- Al French wrote: > Although GRS is a rough indicator of past > advancement, it does not tell which way the group is > moving now. > ===== Opportunities always look bigger going than coming. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:53:54 EST From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Things I Learned Al: That's true. It's the same shortcoming associated with all of IBD ratings, but it has an especial impact on short-term ratings, such as the A/D and U/D ratings. However, if charted, the pattern of the ratings (or most anything that fluctuates, and is affected not by physical law, but rather by human emotions) could more easily be discerned. For instance, the use of moving averages and other technical indicators can be used to predict future stock movements (even though the daily pattern traces only the past movements of the stock). So if the industry groups were charted it would be a whole lot easier-you could view not only the oscillations the group chart, but also see where the trend is once you apply your moving average indicator. IBD does indeed graph groups; unfortunately, however, there is no moving average graphed with it. jans In a message dated 12/1/2001 12:55:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, alfrench@mindspring.com writes: << It seems to me that when WON says in HTMMIS "67% of winners are part of group moves," he is describing group advancement rather than group ranking. Although GRS is a rough indicator of past advancement, it does not tell which way the group is moving now. >> - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:31:57 -0500 From: "Barry Marx" Subject: [CANSLIM] Market Cycles ( was: Clarify Group RS) On the subject of flat vs. trending markets, below is pasted a message I saw a while back on one of the fool.com boards. I'm not sure how accurate the numbers are, but from eyeballing the Dow chart, at least the basic weak/strong cycle idea seems to be correct. Barry - -------- I read an interesting article recently on the major market cycles since the birth of the modern stock market around 1900. Here are the cycles identifed, with average annual market return (DJ Ind, I think) after inflation: CYCLE YEARS LENGTH AVG RTN WEAK 1902-1921 19 years 0.0% STRONG 1921-1929 8 years 25.2% (Roaring Twenties) WEAK 1929-1949 20 years 0.9% (Depression) STRONG 1949-1966 17 years 14.0% WEAK 1966-1982 16 years -1.4% STRONG 1982-1999 17 years 14.9% - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 07:09:26 -0600 From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Things I Learned - Now an investors.com sugg Kent, That is an excellent idea! I am a GRS follower and when I make my watch list each week I look not only at the group rank but also at the groups recent trend. I'm trying to find the same groups Katherine is; those that aren't in the top quartile but are moving up fast. Since the newsprint edition has already been exposed as being inaccurate until the Tuesday edition comes out and they have had the weekend to "adjust" their ranks, they should take your advice and put some type of notation next the rank displayed on the web site "Stock Check Up" page. They have recently begun to do this with A-D ranking so the concept is already being used. Anyone investors.com folks listening out there? Norm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Norman" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:25 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Things I Learned > It would be nice if they put a + or - next to the GRS > to indicate is has gone up or down from before > > Then a simple sort would yield the improving groups. > > Kent Norman > > --- Al French wrote: > > > Although GRS is a rough indicator of past > > advancement, it does not tell which way the group is > > moving now. > > > > > ===== > Opportunities always look bigger going than coming. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 07:20:38 -0600 From: "Norman" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Things I Learned - Industry Group Graphs This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C17B01.D77D6E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "However, if charted, the pattern of the ratings (or most=20 > anything that fluctuates, and is affected not by physical law, but = rather by=20 > human emotions) could more easily be discerned." Jans, if you remember the xls workbook that Jerry posted a while back = that is exactly what I designed the workbook for. I entered the group = ranks each week and had worksheets automatically generated depicting = graphs for each industry group. It works great but the data is always = old. I quite updating the workbook each weekend because the Friday and = Monday rankings in the paper are sometimes very wrong and I would have = to wait for the Tuesday edition to come in the mail on Wednesday so I = could enter accurate data; and then it would be the last Friday's data. = I do not know where to get up-to-the-day accurate group rankings. But = the point is that a graphical representation of group movements is = sooooooo great for detecting early group movements. "IBD does > indeed graph groups" Where do they present these group graphs?? Norm - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: (CANSLIM) Things I Learned > Al: =20 >=20 > That's true. It's the same shortcoming associated with all of IBD = > ratings, but it has an especial impact on short-term ratings, such as = the=20 > A/D and U/D ratings. However, if charted, the pattern of the ratings = (or most=20 > anything that fluctuates, and is affected not by physical law, but = rather by=20 > human emotions) could more easily be discerned.=20 >=20 > For instance, the use of moving averages and other technical = indicators=20 > can be used to predict future stock movements (even though the daily = pattern=20 > traces only the past movements of the stock).=20 >=20 > So if the industry groups were charted it would be a whole lot=20 > easier-you could view not only the oscillations the group chart, but = also see=20 > where the trend is once you apply your moving average indicator. IBD = does=20 > indeed graph groups; unfortunately, however, there is no moving = average=20 > graphed with it. >=20 > jans >=20 >=20 > In a message dated 12/1/2001 12:55:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > alfrench@mindspring.com writes: >=20 > << It seems to me that when WON says in HTMMIS "67% of winners are = part of=20 > group moves," he is describing group advancement rather than group = ranking. =20 > Although GRS is a rough indicator of past advancement, it does not = tell which=20 > way the group is moving now. > >> >=20 > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. >=20 >=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C17B01.D77D6E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"However, if charted, the pattern of the = ratings (or=20 most
> anything that fluctuates, and is affected not by physical = law, but=20 rather by
> human emotions) could more easily be = discerned."
 
Jans, if you remember the xls workbook that Jerry posted a while = back that=20 is exactly what I designed the workbook for.  I entered the group = ranks=20 each week and had worksheets automatically generated depicting graphs = for each=20 industry group.  It works great but the data is always old.  I = quite=20 updating the workbook each weekend because the Friday and Monday = rankings in the=20 paper are sometimes very wrong and I would have to wait for the Tuesday = edition=20 to come in the mail on Wednesday so I could enter accurate data; and = then it=20 would be the last Friday's data.  I do not know where to get = up-to-the-day=20 accurate group rankings.  But the point is that a graphical = representation=20 of group movements is sooooooo great for detecting early group = movements.
 
 
 
"IBD does > indeed graph = groups"
 
Where do they present these group graphs??
 
Norm
 
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> Al: 
>
>     = That's=20 true.  It's the same shortcoming associated with all of IBD =
>=20 ratings, but it has an especial impact  on short-term ratings, such = as the=20
> A/D and U/D ratings. However, if charted, the pattern of the = ratings=20 (or most
> anything that fluctuates, and is affected not by = physical law,=20 but rather by
> human emotions) could more easily be discerned. =
>=20
>      For instance, the use of moving = averages and=20 other technical indicators
> can be used to predict future stock=20 movements (even though the daily pattern
> traces only the past = movements=20 of the stock).
>
>      So if the = industry=20 groups were charted it would be a whole lot
> easier-you could = view not=20 only the oscillations the group chart, but also see
> where the = trend is=20 once you apply your moving average indicator.  IBD does
> = indeed=20 graph groups; unfortunately, however, there is no moving average =
>=20 graphed with it.
>
> jans
>
>
> In a = message=20 dated 12/1/2001 12:55:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> alfrench@mindspring.com=20 writes:
>
> << It seems to me that when WON says in = HTMMIS=20 "67% of winners are part of
> group moves," he is describing = group=20 advancement rather than group ranking. 
> Although GRS is a = rough=20 indicator of past advancement, it does not tell which
> way the = group is=20 moving now.
>   >>
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