From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #1911 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Sunday, December 9 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1911 In this issue: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: AZO & HGS list AW: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... Re: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... Re: [CANSLIM] Very short list of stocks Re: 401K, Roth and IRA (was Re: [CANSLIM] Re: AZO & HGS list) Re: 401K, Roth and IRA (was Re: [CANSLIM] Re: AZO & HGS list) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Dec 2001 06:13:08 -0800 From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: AZO & HGS list Actually, of the shareholders who benefited from the purchase of our office, I am the only one who will get full value for my shares in the near term. The rest are stuck with the new employers' stock as long as they work there. I am actually the first person to get full value for Beak stock in at least 6 years. Small consolation, but but it will hold me over until I can incorporate myself and steal my clients from them (which I have already done for two!) At 09:22 PM 12/8/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Tim: > > Letting you go just before Christmas is really pretty crappy-if I >weren't in the Stock Market, I'd call your previous employers, "Capitalist >Running Dogs". > > You have my sympathies, and, perhaps, the consolation that at least you >weren't "Enronized". > >jans > > >In a message dated 12/8/2001 11:07:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, >Tim@orerockon.com writes: > ><< ...Encouraging from my POV but then next week's trading will probably tell >the real story. My HGS list is below, FWIW. Now that I am unemployed (as of >yesterday, guess they wanted to save $100 by booting me 2 hours before the >Xmas party... >> > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:41:01 +0100 From: Andreas Himmelreich Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... Thanx for the response !!! This week I bought ECTX (I figured if USTI breaks out, why should not ECTX, which has even better fundamentals) and AMWD (a lot of home builders broke out, so why not AMWD) before it broke out above the pivot). Also DFXI (fundamentally the stock I love the most !!!) I bought also SAY, but at 15.50, so an actually overextended CANSLIM trade, which should not be done, but I take the risk, because I think there is a good chance that the trend sustaines, I placed the stop, so I do not risk more then 2% of my whole capital ... I am also thinking about TTIL, which is also overextended, but has a nice Flag ... See you Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Katherine Malm [SMTP:kmalm@earthlink.net] > Gesendet am: Sunday, December 09, 2001 2:25 PM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... > > Mornin' Norm, > > Sure seems to me the approach you are describing shows greater depth of understanding than many professionals have. None of the 4 options listed are worth a flip unless the candidate is superior and I think that's what people forget in their rush to fill the portfolio with positions. Your alternative, which I'll call "option 5" shows a different entry strategy supported by your own individual style. My own style is to move quickly out of something if it doesn't do what I'm expecting in the near term. But I continue to monitor the candidate in case it was a false start, then get right back in. That means that under some market conditions it might take me two entries, but my loss the first time is generally well under the 7-8% rule, so I write that off as "risk control." As you have pointed out, everyone has their own risk tolerance and patience factor and finding a strategy that fits that personality makes all the difference in success rate. > > Katherine > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:54 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... > > > Hi Andreas, > > I like, and have begun to use, Katherine's option number 3. This is not a bad method if canslim criteria are met. If there is good vol on the right side of the base (unless it's a flat base) then funds are buying, if the base and handle are correctly formed, if the company has outstanding fundamentals, if the GRS is good and trending up, if it's peers are doing well on the average, etc. I know this is a lot to ask but this market has not been very forgiven for CANSLIMers lately. And often the stock will not break out for days or weeks or not at all. But you will have the odds on your side; a good company, with big money support and a good chart. The only real problems I have noted are 1) that I have to sit around and watch other stocks on my list shoot up (unavoidable), and 2) if the handle is 10-15% off the pivot then there has to be a substantial move just to get to my buy order; this increases the likely hood of a second handle or that my order will execute and the price will close below that point. I am willing to live with these risks if the company is top notch. I don't see the low vol breakout as much of a risk; at least I would be making money. If the company, chart and GRS are good then I would hold the low vol BO with a shallow s/l order in place. I guess then I would be an "aggressive value investor". Additionally, this may be the only way to buy the flat base or LLUR; they seem to often shoot up out of their pattern quickly. > > disclaimer: I'm an amateur with much less experience than most :-) > > Norm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katherine Malm" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:44 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... > > > > Hi Andreas, > > > > > And then you wait all day until they breakout? So Canslim can only be done > > by people who > > > do this full time? > > > Even a Stop buy does not work because you do not know if the volume is at > > least 50% higher then > > > average. > > > > Option 1: If you are trading full time, but don't want to sit at the > > computer all day and watch the quote screen, use trading software that > > allows you to set audible alarms when the stock on your wishlist meets > > certain price and/or volume criteria. I do this with Schwab's Streetsmart > > Pro. At the beginning of each trading day, I update my alarms based on my > > strategy for the day. If the alarms go off, I look at the screen. If they > > don't, I don't have to watch at all. > > > > Option 2: Use a service that sends these alarms to your pager or digital > > phone. Many brokerages offer this option. If your employer has no problem > > with you placing trades during your work day, this works well. Ext rapolating > > volume intraday will give a feel as to breakout potential. > > > > Option 3: If you are working at a job other than trading and do not or > > cannot trade during market hours, using a buy-stop-limit is the only way to > > make entries at the time of the first breakout attempt. Unfortunately, these > > are not volume dependent, as you noted. If you are convinced that this is a > > stock worth owning, you set up the trade and see what happens. If you can > > check volume at lunchtime, that may help you assess whether or not to cancel > > the order if it has not yet executed. If the buy was executed during the day > > but on your end-of-day review you see that the appropriate minimum volume > > was not met, sell it the next day. Plain and simple. Cost of doing business. > > While a stock breaking out on below average volume may not necessarily fail, > > the *probability* of failure is higher. That's reason enough to exit the > > trade. > > > > Option 4: If the stock broke out but finished the day within 5% of the > > pivot, place a limit order for the open. If you get it, fine. If you don't, > > well there's 9,999 other stocks in the universe. > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andreas Himmelreich" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:55 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... > > > > > > > How do you spot breakouts? > > > > > > OK, I have a watchlist on stocks that are fundamentally and technically > > interesting. > > > And then you wait all day until they breakout? So Canslim can only be done > > by people who > > > do this full time? > > > > > > Even a Stop buy does not work because you do not know if the volumne is at > > least 50% higher then > > > average. > > > > > > Alternative is to buy on the second day of the breakout, but this should > > only be done if > > > the price is not higher then 10% above the pivot? A lot of breakouts do > > 10% and more on the > > > breakout day. > > > > > > So how do you do this? > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > << Datei: ATT00013.htm >> - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 09:51:07 -0500 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C18097.06B61DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andreas, I will have to figure out why SAY never showed up on my lists, should = have and didn't until you mention it. I presume your "15.50" is a typo, = as it has yet to trade there? For TTIL, it's hard for me to think of buying it here, I picked it up = for my VR fund a while ago, up now nearly 60%. I knew this company from = some years ago, and expected this kind of results based on its fundies. = Just another of my "non-CANSLIM" picks. Tom Worley stkguru@netside.net AIM: TexWorley ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Andreas Himmelreich=20 To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com'=20 Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... Thanx for the response !!! This week I bought ECTX (I figured if USTI breaks out, why should not ECTX, which has = even=20 better fundamentals) and AMWD (a lot of home builders broke out, so = why not=20 AMWD) before it broke out above the pivot). Also DFXI (fundamentally the = stock I=20 love the most !!!) I bought also SAY, but at 15.50, so an actually overextended CANSLIM = trade,=20 which should not be done, but I take the risk, because I think there = is a=20 good chance that the trend sustaines, I placed the stop, so I do not risk more = then 2%=20 of my whole capital ... I am also thinking about TTIL, which is also overextended, but has a = nice=20 Flag ... See you Andreas > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Katherine Malm [SMTP:kmalm@earthlink.net] > Gesendet am: Sunday, December 09, 2001 2:25 PM > An: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... > > Mornin' Norm, > > Sure seems to me the approach you are describing shows greater depth = of=20 understanding than many professionals have. None of the 4 options = listed=20 are worth a flip unless the candidate is superior and I think that's = what=20 people forget in their rush to fill the portfolio with positions. Your = alternative, which I'll call "option 5" shows a different entry = strategy=20 supported by your own individual style. My own style is to move = quickly out=20 of something if it doesn't do what I'm expecting in the near term. But = I=20 continue to monitor the candidate in case it was a false start, then = get=20 right back in. That means that under some market conditions it might = take=20 me two entries, but my loss the first time is generally well under the = 7-8%=20 rule, so I write that off as "risk control." As you have pointed out,=20 everyone has their own risk tolerance and patience factor and finding = a=20 strategy that fits that personality makes all the difference in = success=20 rate. > > Katherine > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Norman > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:54 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... > > > Hi Andreas, > > I like, and have begun to use, Katherine's option number 3. This = is=20 not a bad method if canslim criteria are met. If there is good vol on = the=20 right side of the base (unless it's a flat base) then funds are = buying, if=20 the base and handle are correctly formed, if the company has = outstanding=20 fundamentals, if the GRS is good and trending up, if it's peers are = doing=20 well on the average, etc. I know this is a lot to ask but this market = has=20 not been very forgiven for CANSLIMers lately. And often the stock = will not=20 break out for days or weeks or not at all. But you will have the odds = on=20 your side; a good company, with big money support and a good chart. = The=20 only real problems I have noted are 1) that I have to sit around and = watch=20 other stocks on my list shoot up (unavoidable), and 2) if the handle = is=20 10-15% off the pivot then there has to be a substantial move just to = get to=20 my buy order; this increases the likely hood of a second handle or = that my=20 order will execute and the price will close below that point. I am = willing=20 to live with these risks if the company is top notch. I don't see the = low=20 vol breakout as much of a risk; at least I would be making money. If = the=20 company, chart and GRS are good then I would hold the low vol BO with = a=20 shallow s/l order in place. I guess then I would be an "aggressive = value=20 investor". Additionally, this may be the only way to buy the flat = base or=20 LLUR; they seem to often shoot up out of their pattern quickly. > > disclaimer: I'm an amateur with much less experience than most :-) > > Norm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katherine Malm" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:44 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... > > > > Hi Andreas, > > > > > And then you wait all day until they breakout? So Canslim can = only=20 be done > > by people who > > > do this full time? > > > Even a Stop buy does not work because you do not know if the = volume=20 is at > > least 50% higher then > > > average. > > > > Option 1: If you are trading full time, but don't want to sit at = the > > computer all day and watch the quote screen, use trading = software=20 that > > allows you to set audible alarms when the stock on your wishlist = meets > > certain price and/or volume criteria. I do this with Schwab's=20 Streetsmart > > Pro. At the beginning of each trading day, I update my alarms = based=20 on my > > strategy for the day. If the alarms go off, I look at the = screen. If=20 they > > don't, I don't have to watch at all. > > > > Option 2: Use a service that sends these alarms to your pager or = digital > > phone. Many brokerages offer this option. If your employer has = no=20 problem > > with you placing trades during your work day, this works well. = Ext =20 rapolating > > volume intraday will give a feel as to breakout potential. > > > > Option 3: If you are working at a job other than trading and do = not=20 or > > cannot trade during market hours, using a buy-stop-limit is the = only=20 way to > > make entries at the time of the first breakout attempt.=20 Unfortunately, these > > are not volume dependent, as you noted. If you are convinced = that=20 this is a > > stock worth owning, you set up the trade and see what happens. = If you=20 can > > check volume at lunchtime, that may help you assess whether or = not to=20 cancel > > the order if it has not yet executed. If the buy was executed = during=20 the day > > but on your end-of-day review you see that the appropriate = minimum=20 volume > > was not met, sell it the next day. Plain and simple. Cost of = doing=20 business. > > While a stock breaking out on below average volume may not=20 necessarily fail, > > the *probability* of failure is higher. That's reason enough to = exit=20 the > > trade. > > > > Option 4: If the stock broke out but finished the day within 5% = of=20 the > > pivot, place a limit order for the open. If you get it, fine. If = you=20 don't, > > well there's 9,999 other stocks in the universe. > > > > Katherine > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andreas Himmelreich" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:55 PM > > Subject: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ... > > > > > > > How do you spot breakouts? > > > > > > OK, I have a watchlist on stocks that are fundamentally and=20 technically > > interesting. > > > And then you wait all day until they breakout? So Canslim can = only=20 be done > > by people who > > > do this full time? > > > > > > Even a Stop buy does not work because you do not know if the=20 volumne is at > > least 50% higher then > > > average. > > > > > > Alternative is to buy on the second day of the breakout, but = this=20 should > > only be done if > > > the price is not higher then 10% above the pivot? A lot of=20 breakouts do > > 10% and more on the > > > breakout day. > > > > > > So how do you do this? > > > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > > > << Datei: ATT00013.htm >>=20 - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". 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Hi Andreas,
 
I will have to figure out why SAY never showed up on = my lists,=20 should have and didn't until you mention it. I presume your "15.50" is a = typo,=20 as it has yet to trade there?
 
For TTIL, it's hard for me to think of buying it = here, I=20 picked it up for my VR fund a while ago, up now nearly 60%. I knew this = company=20 from some years ago, and expected this kind of results based on its = fundies.=20 Just another of my "non-CANSLIM" picks.
 
Tom Worley
stkguru@netside.net
AIM:=20 TexWorley
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Andreas = Himmelreich
To: 'canslim@lists.xmission.com' =
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 = 9:41=20 AM
Subject: AW: [CANSLIM] Another = Question:=20 Beakouts ...

Thanx for the response !!!

This week I=20 bought

ECTX (I figured if USTI breaks out, why should not ECTX, = which=20 has even
better fundamentals) and AMWD (a lot of home builders = broke out,=20 so why not
AMWD)
before it broke out above the pivot). Also = DFXI=20 (fundamentally the stock I
love the most !!!)

I bought also = SAY,=20 but at 15.50, so an actually overextended CANSLIM trade,
which = should not=20 be done, but I take the risk, because I think there is a
good=20 chance
that the trend sustaines, I placed the stop, so I do not = risk more=20 then 2%
of my whole capital ...

I am also thinking about = TTIL,=20 which is also overextended, but has a nice
Flag ...

See=20 you

Andreas


> -----Ursprungliche = Nachricht-----
>=20 Von: Katherine Malm [SMTP:kmalm@earthlink.net]>=20 Gesendet am: Sunday, December 09, 2001 2:25 PM
> An: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>=20 Betreff: Re: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ...
>
> = Mornin'=20 Norm,
>
> Sure seems to me the approach you are describing = shows=20 greater depth of
understanding than many professionals have. None = of the 4=20 options listed
are worth a flip unless the candidate is superior = and I=20 think that's what
people forget in their rush to fill the = portfolio with=20 positions. Your
alternative, which I'll call "option 5" shows a = different=20 entry strategy
supported by your own individual style. My own = style is to=20 move quickly out
of something if it doesn't do what I'm expecting = in the=20 near term. But I
continue to monitor the candidate in case it was = a false=20 start, then get
right back in. That means that under some market=20 conditions it might take
me two entries, but my loss the first = time is=20 generally well under the 7-8%
rule, so I write that off as "risk = control."=20 As you have pointed out,
everyone has their own risk tolerance and = patience factor and finding a
strategy that fits that personality = makes=20 all the difference in success
rate.
>
>=20 Katherine
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message=20 -----
>   From: Norman
>   To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
>  =20 Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:54 AM
>   Subject: = Re:=20 [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts = ...
>
>
>  =20 Hi Andreas,
>
>   I like, and have begun to use, = Katherine's option number 3.  This is
not a bad method if = canslim=20 criteria are met.  If there is good vol on the
right side of = the base=20 (unless it's a flat base) then funds are buying, if
the base and = handle=20 are correctly formed, if the company has outstanding
fundamentals, = if the=20 GRS is good and trending up, if it's peers are doing
well on the = average,=20 etc.  I know this is a lot to ask but this market has
not = been very=20 forgiven for CANSLIMers lately.  And often the stock will not =
break=20 out for days or weeks or not at all.  But you will have the odds = on=20
your side; a good company, with big money support and a good = chart. =20 The
only real problems I have noted are 1) that I have to sit = around and=20 watch
other stocks on my list shoot up (unavoidable), and 2) if = the handle=20 is
10-15% off the pivot then there has to be a substantial move = just to=20 get to
my buy order; this increases the likely hood of a second = handle or=20 that my
order will execute and the price will close below that=20 point.  I am willing
to live with these risks if the company = is top=20 notch.  I don't see the low
vol breakout as much of a risk; = at least=20 I would be making money.  If the
company, chart and GRS are = good then=20 I would hold the low vol BO with a
shallow s/l order in = place.  I=20 guess then I would be an "aggressive value
investor".  = Additionally,=20 this may be the only way to buy the flat base or
LLUR; they seem = to often=20 shoot up out of their pattern quickly.
>
>   = disclaimer:=20 I'm an amateur with much less experience than most=20 :-)
>
>   Norm
>
>   ----- = Original Message -----
>   From: "Katherine Malm" = <kmalm@earthlink.net>
>&n= bsp; =20 To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>  =20 Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:44 PM
>   = Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts = ...
>
>
>  =20 > Hi Andreas,
>   >
>   > = > And=20 then you wait all day until they breakout? So Canslim can only
be=20 done
>   > by people who
>   > = > do=20 this full time?
>   > > Even a Stop buy does not = work=20 because you do not know if the volume
is at
>   = > least=20 50% higher then
>   > > = average.
>  =20 >
>   > Option 1: If you are trading full time, = but=20 don't want to sit at the
>   > computer all day and = watch=20 the quote screen, use trading software
that
>   = >=20 allows you to set audible alarms when the stock on your wishlist=20
meets
>   > certain price and/or volume = criteria. I do=20 this with Schwab's
Streetsmart
>   > Pro. At = the=20 beginning of each trading day, I update my alarms based
on=20 my
>   > strategy for the day. If the alarms go = off, I look=20 at the screen. If
they
>   > don't, I don't = have to=20 watch at all.
>   >
>   > Option = 2: Use=20 a service that sends these alarms to your pager or=20
digital
>   > phone. Many brokerages offer this = option.=20 If your employer has no
problem
>   > with you = placing=20 trades during your work day, this works well. Ext =20
rapolating
>   > volume intraday will give a = feel as to=20 breakout potential.
>   >
>   > = Option=20 3: If you are working at a job other than trading and do not=20
or
>   > cannot trade during market hours, = using a=20 buy-stop-limit is the only
way to
>   > make = entries at=20 the time of the first breakout attempt.
Unfortunately,=20 these
>   > are not volume dependent, as you noted. = If you=20 are convinced that
this is a
>   > stock worth = owning,=20 you set up the trade and see what happens. If you =
can
>  =20 > check volume at lunchtime, that may help you assess whether or = not to=20
cancel
>   > the order if it has not yet = executed. If=20 the buy was executed during
the day
>   > but = on your=20 end-of-day review you see that the appropriate minimum=20
volume
>   > was not met, sell it the next day. = Plain=20 and simple. Cost of doing
business.
>   > While = a stock=20 breaking out on below average volume may not
necessarily=20 fail,
>   > the *probability* of failure is higher. = That's=20 reason enough to exit
the
>   >=20 trade.
>   >
>   > Option 4: If = the=20 stock broke out but finished the day within 5% of =
the
>  =20 > pivot, place a limit order for the open. If you get it, fine. If = you=20
don't,
>   > well there's 9,999 other stocks in = the=20 universe.
>   >
>   >=20 Katherine
>   >
>  =20 >
>   >
>   = >
>  =20 > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: = "Andreas=20 Himmelreich" <judgejimmy@web.de>
> =  =20 > To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com= >
>  =20 > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 9:55 PM
>   = >=20 Subject: [CANSLIM] Another Question: Beakouts ...
>  =20 >
>   >
>   > > How do you = spot=20 breakouts?
>   > >
>   > > = OK, I=20 have a watchlist on stocks that are fundamentally and=20
technically
>   > = interesting.
>   >=20 > And then you wait all day until they breakout? So Canslim can = only
be=20 done
>   > by people who
>   > = > do=20 this full time?
>   > >
>   > = >=20 Even a Stop buy does not work because you do not know if the =
volumne is=20 at
>   > least 50% higher then
>   = >=20 > average.
>   > >
>   > = >=20 Alternative is to buy on the second day of the breakout, but this=20
should
>   > only be done = if
>   >=20 > the price is not higher then 10% above the pivot? A lot of =
breakouts=20 do
>   > 10% and more on the
>   = > >=20 breakout day.
>   > >
>   > = > So=20 how do you do this?
>   >
>  =20 >
>   > -
>   > -To=20 subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com"
>= ;  =20 > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" = or
>   >=20 -"unsubscribe canslim".  Do not use quotes in your=20 email.
>   >
>   >
>  = << Datei: ATT00013.htm >>

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-To = subscribe/unsubscribe,=20 email "majordomo@xmission.com"
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- ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C18097.06B61DA0-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2001 06:41:50 -0800 From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Very short list of stocks I used almost these exact same criteria when I was using the free Zack's screening program and database, which is no longer free. I added GRS >=80 (that was also my EPS and RS criteria (is your program screening out scores of 80 if you use 80 for the criteria?). Usually I would get 3-5 stocks in a sideways/slowly climbing market. I also had a 50k minimum trading volume and a $10 minimum price. P.S. Using the 8% stop rule you would have been bounced out of TTIL almost instantly unless you had bot very early in the b/o. At 04:50 AM 12/9/2001 +0100, you wrote: >Interesting: Only DFXI, ECTX and TTIL (darn, did not get this breakout >...) match those criterias !!! > >Screen Criteria Parameters >Earnings Per Share (EPS) Rating From 79 to 99 >Relative Price Strength (RS) Rating From 79 to 99 % >Change in Latest Quarter's EPS vs. Same Quarter Prior Year From 25 to 999 >Annual % EPS Growth Rate of Last 3 Years From 25 to 999 % >Change Latest Quarter's Sales vs. Same Quarter Prior Year From 25 to 999 >Annual % Sales Growth Rate of Last 3 Years From 25 to 999 >Shares Outstanding(Mil.) From 1 to 40 >% of Stock Owned by Mutual Funds From 1 to 40 Current Price From 6 to 999 % >Current Price is off High, Year to Date From -15 to 999 >ROE (Latest Fiscal Year Reported) From 12 to 999 Debt % (Latest Fiscal >Year Reported) > From 0 to 100 Accumulation/Distribution (Acc/Dis) Rating A, B Exchange > NYSE, AMEX, NASDAQ > > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Tim Fisher Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site Pacific Fishery Biologists Information mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com WWW http://OreRockOn.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2001 07:43:16 -0800 From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: 401K, Roth and IRA (was Re: [CANSLIM] Re: AZO & HGS list) Fisher Fisheries, Ltd. Thought about Fisher-ies, Ltd. but that was too cutsey. Fisheries consulting. AKA Fish Squeezing. Mostly Endangered Species Act compliance for now; hopefully some fun field work starting in the spring on the Klamath River. At 05:25 AM 12/9/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Good luck, Tim. > >What kind of business? > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Tim Fisher >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 7:14 PM >>Subject: Re: 401K, Roth and IRA (was Re: [CANSLIM] Re: AZO & HGS list) >> >>I am going to incorporate myself! Already have some business lined up, just >>need to get incorporated so the clients can make up contracts. Should get >>started in Jan, will take a little break until then ;) > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2001 07:46:31 -0800 From: "Tim Fisher" Subject: Re: 401K, Roth and IRA (was Re: [CANSLIM] Re: AZO & HGS list) Tom, would you leave it in the 401 or transfer to an IRA? I hate the new (formerly new) employers' 401 and would transfer that $$ into our old 401 in a heartbeat. Is there any advantage leaving it in the 401 (besides no commissions on their mutual funds)? The old 401 has a DVP account which is currently with Schwab (I meant to transfer it to Etrade a while ago but haven't done so yet). At 03:48 PM 12/8/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Tim, > >Also sorry you got cheated out of the party, you should have crashed it >anyway! > >A Roth IRA consists of after taxed income, that is why you can later >withdraw both principal (already taxed) and profits (not taxed, that's the >beauty of a Roth) without paying further taxes. > >By definition, a 401K consists of your (and presumably your employer's) >contributions on a pre-tax basis. Thus, apples and oranges between a 401K >and a Roth. Your only choice to rollover the 401K without paying taxes now >is to roll it into an IRA rollover account. And the absolutely best way to >do that is to first open the IRA rollover account, then take the >instructions from that custodian on procedures (usually the check from the >401K will be in the name of you, IRA rollover, and payable to the new >custodian). If you never actually touch the cash, you should have no >problem with IRS. It's ok to get the check if you can't just go out and >cash it. > >Good luck, what do you plan for your next job? > >Tom Worley >stkguru@netside.net >AIM: TexWorley >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Norman >>To: canslim@lists.xmission.com >>Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:38 AM >>Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: AZO & HGS list >> >>Tim, >> >>Sorry you missed the party :-) >> >>I don't think you can avoid the tax. To do a Roth rollover w/o paying the >>fiddler would be totally against all the concepts of Roth conversions. My >>advice (the particulars of your 401K plan not withstanding) would be to roll >>to a traditional IRA, where you used before tax contributions, so you have >>better control over it. Then do the analysis to see if the conversion is to >>your best benefit. Depends on many things and is not always the best thing >>to do. It can get very complicated. I don't think you can roll it all over >>at once and then spread the tax burden over several years like they let us >>do when the Roth first became available. But rolling a little each year >>might be fairly painless (kinda like using barbless hooks). Good luck. >> >>Norm >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tim Fisher" <Tim@orerockon.com> >>To: <canslim@lists.xmission.com> >>Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 10:05 AM >>Subject: [CANSLIM] Re: AZO & HGS list >> > >> > On a related subject, does anyone know if there is a way to rollover a 401 >> > into a Roth IRA without paying tax? Didn't think so. > >Tim Fisher >Ore-ROCK-On Rockhounding Web Site >Pacific Fishery Biologists Information >mailto:tim@OreRockOn.com >WWW http://OreRockOn.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". 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