From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #2763 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Friday, August 9 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2763 In this issue: RE: [CANSLIM] CCR - I offer this up for dissection Research sites [Was: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: CHTT] Re: [CANSLIM] CCR - I offer this up for dissection ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 10:22:47 -0500 From: "Kelly Short" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CCR - I offer this up for dissection This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23FB8.9DEA64F7 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C23FB8.9DEA64F7" - ------_=_NextPart_002_01C23FB8.9DEA64F7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Winston, =20 You give me new understanding of DD. After reading your email I whip = myself for not investigating further before posting. Back to the newbie = pond for me. I feel like those Snakehead fish in Maryland- so close to = making it from the pond to the big river, then the big bad human ("M") = comes and throws me back in the pond. Thanks for your observations- I'll = keep hacking away. =20 Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Winston Little [mailto:wlittle1@peoplepc.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:31 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CCR - I offer this up for dissection Kelly: A few comments: 1. Chart pattern:=20 If cup-with handle (start 27 May, end 01 Aug) then the shape is V-Cup = which is not ideal. 2. Handle is 2 days long (minimum desired is five days) on 03 and 05 = Aug. 3. Heavy volume in handle (again undesirable) 4. Breakout volume on 06 Aug was 166% of average daily =3D ok. 5. Debt to equity ratio =3D 4.3 This may be a bit high, as others in the = top five of the IBD group were at 0.98, 0.18 and 0.83. The one exception = was the government sponsored agency FRE (Freddie Mac) at 31. 6. Largest concern was roll off in revenue in Q2 of 2002 to $$998 = million, was $1233 in Q1, N/A in Q4 of 200, $1272 in Q3 of 2001, $1234 = in Q2 of 2001 etc. Surprisingly the eps reported in Q2 of 2002 was = highest at $1.48 up from $1.32 in Q1 of 2002. Does this imply there may = be a re-statement in the works as day of reckoning approaches for CEO = and CFO? CCR is believed to be a sub-prime lender. Does this mean difficulty as = the slow economy persists and consumers start to run out of cash? - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelly Short =20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] CCR - I offer this up for dissection CCR - Countrywide Cr Inds Inc =20 EPS growth could be better but are we more forgiving over the past 3 = qtrs (after all- CCR is positive EPS growth for past 3 qtrs which in = itself is an accomplishment)? Appears to be coming out of CWH formation = (all though not as beautiful a formation as the Mona Lisa or anything = IBD would show us). Thoughts? =20 IBD Ratings =09 Smart Select 99 =09 EPS Rating 94 =09 RPS 89 =09 Industry Group Rank A =09 S+P M+ROE A =09 A/D A+ =09 =09 =09 Technical Rating 98 =09 Fundamental Rating 96 =09 Attractiveness Rating 99 =09 Group's Technical Rating 79 =09 Group's Fundamental Rating 86 =09 =09 =09 =09 Rank within Industry Group =09 Industry Rank (08/08/02) 32 =09 =09 Overall 100 =09 Technical 100 =09 Fundamental 91 =09 Attriveness 100 =09 Top 5 Companies w/in Group =09 =20 =09 CCR =09 =20 =09 DORL =09 =20 =09 NCEN =09 =20 =09 NDE =09 =20 =09 FRE =09 Group % Chg to Date 2% =09 Group % Chg Last 12 mths 4% =09 Group % Chg Last 4 weeks 4% =09 =09 =09 Performance =09 =09 Up/Down Vol 1.3 =09 3 Yr. EPS Growth 16% =09 3 Yr. Sales Growth 25% =09 EPS Growth (Quarterly) % Chg=09 Qtr -1 $0.64 5%=09 Qtr -2 $0.61 8%=09 Qtr -3 $0.56 5%=09 Qtr -4 $0.53 8%=09 Qtr -5 $0.49 0%=09 Qtr -6 $0.49 =09 =09 Revenue Growth =09 Qtr -1 293,159 3%=09 Qtr -2 285,799 1%=09 Qtr -3 283,199 1%=09 Qtr -4 281,332 3%=09 Qtr -5 272,860 0%=09 Qtr -6 272,489 =09 _____ =20 For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for viruses.=20 Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/=20 _____ =20 - ------_=_NextPart_002_01C23FB8.9DEA64F7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Winston,
 
You=20 give me new understanding of DD. After reading your email I whip myself = for not=20 investigating further before posting. Back to the newbie pond for me. I = feel=20 like those Snakehead fish in Maryland- so close to making it from the = pond to=20 the big river, then the big bad human ("M") comes and throws me back in = the=20 pond. Thanks for your observations- I'll keep hacking = away.
 
Kelly
 -----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Winston Little [mailto:wlittle1@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Thursday, = August=20 08, 2002 4:31 PM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re:=20 [CANSLIM] CCR - I offer this up for = dissection

Kelly:
A few comments:
1. Chart pattern:
If cup-with handle (start 27 May, end 01 Aug) then = the shape=20 is V-Cup which is not ideal.
2. Handle is 2 days long (minimum desired is five = days) on=20 03 and 05 Aug.
3. Heavy volume in handle (again = undesirable)
4. Breakout volume on 06 Aug was 166% of average = daily =3D=20 ok.
5. Debt to equity ratio =3D 4.3 This may be a bit = high, as=20 others in the top five of the IBD group were at = 0.98, 0.18=20 and 0.83. The one exception was the government sponsored agency FRE = (Freddie=20 Mac) at 31.
6. Largest concern was roll off in revenue in Q2 = of 2002 to=20 $$998 million, was $1233 in Q1, N/A in Q4 of 200, $1272 in Q3 of 2001, = $1234=20 in Q2 of 2001 etc.  Surprisingly the eps reported in Q2 of 2002 = was=20 highest at $1.48 up from $1.32 in Q1 of 2002. Does this imply there = may be a=20 re-statement in the works as day of reckoning approaches for CEO and=20 CFO?
CCR is believed to be a sub-prime lender. Does = this mean=20 difficulty as the slow economy persists and consumers start to run out = of=20 cash?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kelly Short
Sent: Thursday, August 08, = 2002 4:50=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] CCR - I = offer this=20 up for dissection

CCR - Countrywide Cr Inds Inc
 
EPS growth could be better but are we more forgiving over = the past 3=20 qtrs (after all- CCR is positive EPS growth for past 3 qtrs which in = itself=20 is an accomplishment)? Appears to be coming out of CWH formation = (all though=20 not as beautiful a formation as the Mona Lisa or anything IBD would = show=20 us). Thoughts?
 
IBD Ratings
Smart Select 99
EPS Rating 94
RPS 89
Industry Group = Rank A
S+P M+ROE A
A/D A+
Technical Rating 98
Fundamental = Rating 96
Attractiveness = Rating 99
Group's Technical = Rating 79
Group's Fundamental = Rating 86
Rank within Industry Group
Industry Rank = (08/08/02) 32
Overall 100
Technical 100
Fundamental 91
Attriveness 100
Top 5 Companies w/in = Group
=20
 
 CCR
=20
 
 DORL
=20
 
 NCEN
=20
 
 NDE
=20
 
 FRE
Group % = Chg to=20 Date 2%
Group % = Chg Last 12=20 mths 4%
Group % = Chg Last 4=20 weeks 4%
Performance
Up/Down Vol 1.3
3 Yr. EPS Growth 16%
3 Yr. Sales = Growth 25%
EPS Growth = (Quarterly) % Chg
Qtr -1 $0.64 5%
Qtr -2 $0.61 8%
Qtr -3 $0.56 5%
Qtr -4 $0.53 8%
Qtr -5 $0.49 0%
Qtr -6 $0.49
Revenue Growth
Qtr -1 293,159 3%
Qtr -2 285,799 1%
Qtr -3 283,199 1%
Qtr -4 281,332 3%
Qtr -5 272,860 0%
Qtr -6 272,489
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 09:11:13 -0700 From: Harvey Brion Subject: Research sites [Was: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: CHTT] Thanks for the links, Katherine. I'm familiar with the Yahoo Profile page and have used it for years. I agree it's a great starting point. Got the graphics working on msn.money and I'm amazed at the variety of information presented on that website, a good find for me. -Harvey Katherine Malm wrote: > Hi Harvey, > > I think DGO is an excellent 15 second overview of technicals and > fundamentals. If the stock passes those tests, then I think it pays to > complement them with a good dose of due diligence. Here, I look for > accounting red flags, business red flags, competitors, and the "N" for the > company which gives them sustainable competitive advantage and fuel for > future growth. My favorite jumping off point is the Yahoo summary page > (http://biz.yahoo.com/p/c/chtt.html), but there are some things that I like > at the MSN site, among them the 10 year overview. In order to see the charts > there, you'll need to install some ActiveX controls. Follow these > instructions and you'll be set. > > To install the MSN Money Investing components, follow these steps: > 1.. In Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.01 or later, go to the following MSN > Web site: > http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/controls/setup.asp > 2.. Click Deluxe Portfolio Manager. > 3.. The installation begins automatically. If you see a dialog box about > installing the software, click Yes. > 4.. When the chart with red bars appears, click I See The Chart. > NOTE: The Netscape browser can only use the Basic version of the Portfolio. > So, if you want to install the Deluxe version, please use Internet Explorer. > > Katherine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harvey Brion" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Re: CHTT (was: Identifying NEW leaders) > > > Katherine, The graphic certainly gives one a warm fuzzy that they're > managing > > debt. From 30:1 to 3.92:1 over 6 years is definitely in the right > direction. > > Just goes to show you that you need to dig a lot deeper than DGO. > > > > I need to get more familiar with the moneycentral.msn site. (I found the > 10 > > year summary in table form, but did you generate the graphic yourself?) > Thanks > > again. -Harvey > > > > Katherine Malm wrote: > > > > > Hi Harvey, > > > > > > One more thing that I meant to include last night might help...that is, > I > > > always like to get perspective on something like this. See the attached > > > graphic showing CHTT's D/E over time... (available at > > > > http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/results/compare.asp?Page=Financi > > > alCondition&Symbol=CHTT ) > > > > > > Katherine > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:14:44 -0400 From: "Winston Little" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CCR - I offer this up for dissection This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0162_01C23F9E.5A751380 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0163_01C23F9E.5A751380" - ------=_NextPart_001_0163_01C23F9E.5A751380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageKelly: My hope is that the note was of some help, but please keep the following = in mind: 1. The goal is neither to whip or throw you back into the pond. 2. ALWAYS QUESTION anything that is said or stated.... do you agree with = the point or issue stated or asked? 3. If you agree with the point, then is what is the significance of the = point or issue? The point may be true but of little value. 4. How will the rest of the market traders/investors/or others react to = the point or issue, and how soon? =20 Depending on the results of the evaluate the points above (or others), = you may then want to respond and show the other person a different = perspective.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelly Short=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CCR - I offer this up for dissection Winston, You give me new understanding of DD. After reading your email I whip = myself for not investigating further before posting. Back to the newbie = pond for me. I feel like those Snakehead fish in Maryland- so close to = making it from the pond to the big river, then the big bad human ("M") = comes and throws me back in the pond. Thanks for your observations- I'll = keep hacking away. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: Winston Little [mailto:wlittle1@peoplepc.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:31 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] CCR - I offer this up for dissection Kelly: A few comments: 1. Chart pattern:=20 If cup-with handle (start 27 May, end 01 Aug) then the shape is = V-Cup which is not ideal. 2. Handle is 2 days long (minimum desired is five days) on 03 and 05 = Aug. 3. Heavy volume in handle (again undesirable) 4. Breakout volume on 06 Aug was 166% of average daily =3D ok. 5. Debt to equity ratio =3D 4.3 This may be a bit high, as others in = the top five of the IBD group were at 0.98, 0.18 and 0.83. The one = exception was the government sponsored agency FRE (Freddie Mac) at 31. 6. Largest concern was roll off in revenue in Q2 of 2002 to $$998 = million, was $1233 in Q1, N/A in Q4 of 200, $1272 in Q3 of 2001, $1234 = in Q2 of 2001 etc. Surprisingly the eps reported in Q2 of 2002 was = highest at $1.48 up from $1.32 in Q1 of 2002. Does this imply there may = be a re-statement in the works as day of reckoning approaches for CEO = and CFO? CCR is believed to be a sub-prime lender. Does this mean difficulty = as the slow economy persists and consumers start to run out of cash? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kelly Short=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] CCR - I offer this up for dissection CCR - Countrywide Cr Inds Inc EPS growth could be better but are we more forgiving over the past = 3 qtrs (after all- CCR is positive EPS growth for past 3 qtrs which in = itself is an accomplishment)? Appears to be coming out of CWH formation = (all though not as beautiful a formation as the Mona Lisa or anything = IBD would show us). Thoughts? IBD Ratings =20 Smart Select 99 =20 EPS Rating 94 =20 RPS 89 =20 Industry Group Rank A =20 S+P M+ROE A =20 A/D A+ =20 =20 =20 Technical Rating 98 =20 Fundamental Rating 96 =20 Attractiveness Rating 99 =20 Group's Technical Rating 79 =20 Group's Fundamental Rating 86 =20 =20 =20 =20 Rank within Industry Group =20 Industry Rank (08/08/02) 32 =20 =20 Overall 100 =20 Technical 100 =20 Fundamental 91 =20 Attriveness 100 =20 Top 5 Companies w/in Group =20 =20 CCR =20 =20 DORL =20 =20 NCEN =20 =20 NDE =20 =20 FRE =20 Group % Chg to Date 2% =20 Group % Chg Last 12 mths 4% =20 Group % Chg Last 4 weeks 4% =20 =20 =20 Performance =20 =20 Up/Down Vol 1.3 =20 3 Yr. EPS Growth 16% =20 3 Yr. Sales Growth 25% =20 EPS Growth (Quarterly) % Chg=20 Qtr -1 $0.64 5%=20 Qtr -2 $0.61 8%=20 Qtr -3 $0.56 5%=20 Qtr -4 $0.53 8%=20 Qtr -5 $0.49 0%=20 Qtr -6 $0.49 =20 =20 Revenue Growth =20 Qtr -1 293,159 3%=20 Qtr -2 285,799 1%=20 Qtr -3 283,199 1%=20 Qtr -4 281,332 3%=20 Qtr -5 272,860 0%=20 Qtr -6 272,489 =20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for = viruses.=20 Visit us at http://www.neoris.com/=20 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - --- - ------=_NextPart_001_0163_01C23F9E.5A751380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Kelly:
My hope is that the note was of some help, but = please keep the=20 following in mind:
1. The goal is neither to whip or throw you back = into the=20 pond.
2. ALWAYS QUESTION anything that is said or = stated.... do you=20 agree with the point or issue stated or asked?
3. If you agree with the point, = then is what is the=20 significance of the point or issue? The point may be true but of = little=20 value.
4. How will the rest of the market = traders/investors/or others=20  react to the point or issue, and how = soon?  
Depending on the results of  the evaluate = the points=20 above (or others), you may then want to respond and show the other = person a=20 different perspective.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kelly Short
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 = 11:22=20 AM
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] CCR - I = offer this=20 up for dissection

Winston,
 
You=20 give me new understanding of DD. After reading your email I whip = myself for=20 not investigating further before posting. Back to the newbie pond for = me. I=20 feel like those Snakehead fish in Maryland- so close to making it from = the=20 pond to the big river, then the big bad human ("M") comes and throws = me back=20 in the pond. Thanks for your observations- I'll keep hacking=20 away.
 
Kelly
 -----Original=20 Message-----
From: Winston Little=20 [mailto:wlittle1@peoplepc.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 08, = 2002 4:31=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: = [CANSLIM]=20 CCR - I offer this up for dissection

Kelly:
A few comments:
1. Chart pattern:
If cup-with handle (start 27 May, end 01 Aug) = then the=20 shape is V-Cup which is not ideal.
2. Handle is 2 days long (minimum desired is = five days) on=20 03 and 05 Aug.
3. Heavy volume in handle (again = undesirable)
4. Breakout volume on 06 Aug was 166% of average = daily =3D=20 ok.
5. Debt to equity ratio =3D 4.3 This may be a = bit high, as=20 others in the top five of the IBD group were = at 0.98,=20 0.18 and 0.83. The one exception was the government sponsored agency = FRE=20 (Freddie Mac) at 31.
6. Largest concern was roll off in revenue in Q2 = of 2002=20 to $$998 million, was $1233 in Q1, N/A in Q4 of 200, $1272 in Q3 of = 2001,=20 $1234 in Q2 of 2001 etc.  Surprisingly the eps reported in Q2 = of 2002=20 was highest at $1.48 up from $1.32 in Q1 of 2002. Does this imply = there may=20 be a re-statement in the works as day of reckoning approaches for = CEO and=20 CFO?
CCR is believed to be a sub-prime lender. Does = this mean=20 difficulty as the slow economy persists and consumers start to run = out of=20 cash?
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Kelly Short =
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 08, = 2002 4:50=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] CCR - I = offer this=20 up for dissection

CCR - Countrywide Cr Inds Inc
 
EPS growth could be better but are we more forgiving over = the past=20 3 qtrs (after all- CCR is positive EPS growth for past 3 qtrs = which in=20 itself is an accomplishment)? Appears to be coming out of CWH = formation=20 (all though not as beautiful a formation as the Mona Lisa or = anything IBD=20 would show us). Thoughts?
 
IBD Ratings
Smart Select 99
EPS Rating 94
RPS 89
Industry Group = Rank A
S+P M+ROE A
A/D A+
Technical = Rating 98
Fundamental = Rating 96
Attractiveness = Rating 99
Group's Technical = Rating 79
Group's Fundamental = Rating 86
Rank within Industry Group
Industry Rank = (08/08/02) 32
Overall 100
Technical 100
Fundamental 91
Attriveness 100
Top 5 Companies w/in = Group
=20
 
 CCR
=20
 
 DORL
=20
 
 NCEN
=20
 
 NDE
=20
 
 FRE
Group % = Chg to=20 Date 2%
Group % = Chg Last 12=20 mths 4%
Group % = Chg Last 4=20 weeks 4%
Performance
Up/Down Vol 1.3
3 Yr. EPS = Growth 16%
3 Yr. Sales = Growth 25%
EPS Growth = (Quarterly) % Chg
Qtr -1 $0.64 5%
Qtr -2 $0.61 8%
Qtr -3 $0.56 5%
Qtr -4 $0.53 8%
Qtr -5 $0.49 0%
Qtr -6 $0.49
Revenue Growth
Qtr -1 293,159 3%
Qtr -2 285,799 1%
Qtr -3 283,199 1%
Qtr -4 281,332 3%
Qtr -5 272,860 0%
Qtr -6 272,489
For your protection, this e-mail message has been scanned for = viruses.=20

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