From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #3043 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Friday, November 22 2002 Volume 02 : Number 3043 In this issue: Re: [CANSLIM] M Re: [CANSLIM] M Re: [CANSLIM] M Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY Re: [CANSLIM] M Re: [CANSLIM] M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:32:06 EST From: AJAskey@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - --part1_ca.14eb795a.2b0f1b56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. > While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are > questioning whether it is real or not says something. I think you should really worry more when people are confident that it is real. And who are "people" anyway? The clowns on TV who say the market is going to tank while their traders are buying up all the shares the talking head shook free? Andy - --part1_ca.14eb795a.2b0f1b56_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something.


I think you should really worry more when people are confident that it is real.  And who are "people" anyway?  The clowns on TV who say the market is going to tank while their traders are buying up all the shares the talking head shook free?

Andy
- --part1_ca.14eb795a.2b0f1b56_boundary-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:36:07 -0800 From: Ian Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_oI50DKigRUo8MgdvfKpV0g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Tom: I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks. I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Worley To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in my VR Fund. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] M Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy? It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues. It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well. So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'? Ian - --Boundary_(ID_oI50DKigRUo8MgdvfKpV0g) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hi Tom:
 
I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of late 1999 for tech stocks.
 
I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this game, and need to give it more time to play out.
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Worley
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in my VR Fund.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?
 
It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.
 
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.
 
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?
 
Ian
- --Boundary_(ID_oI50DKigRUo8MgdvfKpV0g)-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:03:05 -0500 From: "Tom Worley" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C291F5.34A35690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ian, With the Republicans in control, defense contractors will benefit for = the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from boots to = guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among = technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, = cruise missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as = anti-terrorist software such as network and PC level security. The = reorganization of 26 different agencies into the new Homeland Defense = agency will likely disrupt normal spending patterns. But then, once = again Congress has failed to pass the required budgets for most = agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new Congress = reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last = year's budget, so little new spending will develop for some time. - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M Hi Tom: I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related security. If you are = referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's etc..., I'm = sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of = late 1999 for tech stocks. I was thinking of small companies that are going to benefit from the = coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early to this = game, and need to give it more time to play out. Ian ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom Worley=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely today, as did my IT stocks in = my VR Fund. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ian=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] M Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying = frenzy? It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly = today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by = the most heavily shorted isues. It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the = most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and = security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well. So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term = traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? = Whither 'M'? Ian - ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C291F5.34A35690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ian,
 
With the Republicans in control, defense = contractors will=20 benefit for the next two years anyway. It will cover all materials, from = boots=20 to guns to software, but the greatest increase in spending will be among = technology. I expect this to include both hardware such as smart bombs, = cruise=20 missiles and other stand off type weaponry, as well as anti-terrorist = software=20 such as network and PC level security. The reorganization of 26 = different=20 agencies into the new Homeland Defense agency will likely disrupt normal = spending patterns. But then, once again Congress has failed to pass the = required=20 budgets for most agencies, and don't plan to do so until after the new = Congress=20 reconvenes in January. So most agencies are still operating on last = year's=20 budget, so little new spending will develop for some time.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ian
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

Hi Tom:
 
I guess I was thinking of physical, defense-related = security.=20 If you are referring to tech security such as securing networks, PC's = etc...,=20 I'm sure they must have all done well today, as today was reminiscent of = late=20 1999 for tech stocks.
 
I was thinking of small companies that are going to = benefit=20 from the coming government spending spree. I suspect I am a little early = to this=20 game, and need to give it more time to play out.
 
Ian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 Worley
Sent: Thursday, November 21, = 2002 8:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

Ian, my security stocks did quite nicely = today, as did=20 my IT stocks in my VR Fund.
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ian
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging = from this=20 buying frenzy?
 
It seems to me that several recent rally = leaders are=20 rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power = ahead,=20 propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.
 
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that = stand to=20 benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - = the=20 defense and security sector - are watching this action from the = sideline as=20 well.
 
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is = this just=20 shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted = positions?=20 Opinions? Whither 'M'?
 
Ian
- ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C291F5.34A35690-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 06:10:10 -0800 From: "John Calkins" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C291ED.D0028D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Katherine,=20 It really is good to hear from you! You somehow bring things into = perspective.=20 I understand the piling up of the papers and the hours of manual mining. = I must say I have learned as much from you and this group as I have from = the paper in a fraction of the time.=20 I used to run a large computer user club back in the early 80's. I have = for years gone door to door helping my family, friends, neighbors, = co-workers and computer enthusiasts discover a better way to use their = computers. My employers have tapped my talents many times, and all along = I have enjoyed it tremendously. I got interested in individual stock = investing when these great retired people would fill my head with = investing terms as I replaced a hard drive for them in their home....no = cost...just because I liked to visit and it became a trade that they = knew I accepted. They would talk about The Dow Theory and show me some = graphs, or some Ameritrade software before the internet was called WWW = or Dog of the Dow. Then someone asked me about IBD and I have been = absolutely absorbed in it ever since. I do believe I need to move on and = use my time more wisely though. I now have a base to start from, much as = you have said in the past. I believe that everyone truly interested in = stock investing at some point should take out a subscription at least = long enough to get to the next level or maybe know how to measure there = success.=20 I can really appreciate your involvement in this group. It's your = ability to teach others and at the some time add knowledge to enhance = your own understanding that is what is so compelling here. I truly = appreciate your input to this group. Katherine, I would have a difficult time without IBD right now. Like you = say, The Big Picture is worth the cost of the paper at least for a while = longer. I pin it up in front of my Nordic-Trac for 40 min each morning, = killing two birds. I am having a hard time understanding just how you = actually start your lists. Maybe I need to re-read your posts some more, = but IBD's screens at least have sorted lists following CANSLIM. I have = seen their screens printed Forbes. I see your references to BIG MONEY, = but without using IBD's Big Money screens, how do you get started with a = manageable list? I guess I still feel that I need some hand holding = here.=20 I have stopped recording all the mini chart symbols, I saw the = correlation and bias such as you say. Now All I record is all the Big = Money on both exchanges and use and excel sheet macro that one of the = members came up with to sort the Screen of the Day. I just use the = "Number of Times" appeared in the Big Money to sort my list then head = straight for the charts when the market looks better simply starting at = the top of the list and spending most of my time reading charts from = Investors.com. Like everyone else, this group is becoming and index for = me to decide if I want to run the screen. I then use The Screen of the = Day and Stock Checkup to double check after I look at the chart But if there is an easier way to find the big money, I guess I haven't = understood it quite yet, or maybe if I put the paper down long enough = and try some of these sites you and others suggest, I might see the = light. I just want to try to correlate the data online to what is = showing with the IBD data. For those who don't really understand The Big Money, it simply is IBD's = proprietary screen of high quality stocks that institutional investors = might be buying with high Relative Price Strength and high IBD Earnings = Ratings that might be climbing the right side of the cup, indicating = that the chart should be looked at. JC ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Katherine Malm=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY Hi John, I think the use of the IBD vs other free or paid services is more than = anything a matter of style and preference. There are many here on the = CANSLIM list who use the IBD exclusively for finding investment = candidates, others who practice the CANSLIM and or growth style of = investing but use other tools, and still others who use the IBD and/or = DGO in combination with other paid services. I still read the IBD's Big = Picture via the web each day and utilize the numerous educational = features they provide, but I let the papers pile up for about a month = before I read them these days, as all of my day to day mining and news = monitoring is done via other free and paid services. I personally found = the IBD too time consuming to use as a methodical mining tool and it = didn't allow me to track the ebb and flow of the market without being = influenced by their editorial bias. It's amazing how much information is = available for free on the web these days, so it's entirely possible to = mine and track good quality growth/CANSLIM candidates even without paid = tools. Regardless of the choice, I still think the real secret to = successful investing is using a disciplined approach and a = methodical/consistent methodology. I think most would be hard pressed to = argue any one tool was "better" than another, just "better for you." Katherine ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Calkins=20 To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: [CANSLIM] OK Show me BIG MONEY OK! Some say IBD is invaluable. Others say it BS. So show me how = I can find Where The Big Moneys Flow......OOps, I mean Going with out = using the screen in the paper and without buying some other service. JC - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C291ED.D0028D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Katherine,

It really is good to hear from you! You somehow bring things into=20 perspective.

I understand the piling up of the papers and the hours of manual = mining. I=20 must say I have learned as much from you and this group as I have from = the paper=20 in a fraction of the time.

I used to run a large computer user club back in the early 80's. I = have for=20 years gone door to door helping my family, friends, neighbors, = co-workers and=20 computer enthusiasts discover a better way to use their computers. My = employers=20 have tapped my talents many times, and all along I have enjoyed it = tremendously.=20 I got interested in individual stock investing when these great retired = people=20 would fill my head with investing terms as I replaced a hard drive for = them in=20 their home....no cost...just because I liked to visit and it became a = trade that=20 they knew I accepted. They would talk about The Dow Theory and show me = some=20 graphs, or some Ameritrade software before the internet was called WWW = or Dog of=20 the Dow. Then someone asked me about IBD and I have been absolutely = absorbed in=20 it ever since. I do believe I need to move on and use my time more = wisely=20 though. I now have a base to start from, much as you have said in the = past. I=20 believe that everyone truly interested in stock investing at some point = should=20 take out a subscription at least long enough to get to the next level or = maybe=20 know how to measure there success. =

I can really appreciate your involvement in this group. It's your = ability to=20 teach others and at the some time add knowledge to enhance your own=20 understanding that is what is so compelling here. I truly appreciate = your input=20 to this group.

Katherine, I would have a difficult time without IBD right now. Like = you say,=20 The Big Picture is worth the cost of the paper at least for a while = longer. I=20 pin it up in front of my Nordic-Trac for 40 min each morning, killing = two birds.=20 I am having a hard time understanding just how you actually start your = lists.=20 Maybe I need to re-read your posts some more, but IBD=92s screens at = least have=20 sorted lists following CANSLIM. I have seen their screens printed = Forbes. I see=20 your references to BIG MONEY, but without using IBD=92s Big Money = screens, how do=20 you get started with a manageable list? I guess I still feel that I need = some=20 hand holding here.

I have stopped recording all the mini chart symbols, I saw the = correlation=20 and bias such as you say. Now All I record is all the Big Money on both=20 exchanges and use and excel sheet macro that one of the members came up = with to=20 sort the Screen of the Day. I just use the "Number of Times" appeared in = the Big=20 Money to sort my list then head straight for the charts when the market = looks=20 better simply starting at the top of the list and spending most of my = time=20 reading charts from Investors.com. Like everyone else, this group is = becoming=20 and index for me to decide if I want to run the screen. I then use The = Screen of=20 the Day and Stock Checkup to double check after I look at the=20 chart

But if there is an easier way to find the big money, I guess I = haven't=20 understood it quite yet, or maybe if I put the paper down long enough = and try=20 some of these sites you and others suggest, I might see the light. I = just want=20 to try to correlate the data online to what is showing with the IBD = data.

For those who don=92t really understand The Big Money, it simply is = IBD=92s=20 proprietary screen of high quality stocks that institutional investors = might be=20 buying with high Relative Price Strength and high IBD Earnings Ratings = that=20 might be climbing the right side of the cup, indicating that the chart = should be=20 looked at.

JC

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Katherine=20 Malm
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com=
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 = 9:02=20 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] OK Show = me BIG=20 MONEY

Hi John,
 
I think the use of the IBD vs other free or paid services is more = than=20 anything a matter of style and preference. There are many here on the = CANSLIM=20 list who use the IBD exclusively for finding investment candidates, = others who=20 practice the CANSLIM and or growth style of investing but use other = tools, and=20 still others who use the IBD and/or DGO in combination with other paid = services. I still read the IBD's Big Picture via the web each day and = utilize=20 the numerous educational features they provide, but I let the papers = pile up=20 for about a month before I read them these days, as all of my day to = day=20 mining and news monitoring is done via other free and paid services. I = personally found the IBD too time consuming to use as a methodical = mining tool=20 and it didn't allow me to track the ebb and flow of the market without = being=20 influenced by their editorial bias. It's amazing how much information = is=20 available for free on the web these days, so it's entirely possible to = mine=20 and track good quality growth/CANSLIM candidates even without paid = tools.=20 Regardless of the choice, I still think the real secret to successful=20 investing is using a disciplined approach and a methodical/consistent=20 methodology. I think most would be hard pressed to argue any one tool = was=20 "better" than another, just "better for you."
 
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 John=20 Calkins
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com= =20
Sent: Sunday, November 17, = 2002 10:17=20 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] OK Show me = BIG=20 MONEY

OK!  Some say IBD is invaluable.  Others = say it=20 BS.  So show me how I can
find Where The Big Moneys=20 Flow......OOps,  I mean Going with out using the
screen in = the paper=20 and without buying some other service.

JC


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-"unsubscribe = canslim".  Do=20 not use quotes in your = email.
- ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C291ED.D0028D20-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:25:36 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Jaenike Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - --0-1842552158-1037978736=:36970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In determining whether "people" are confident the rally is real, I think you need to use a consistent indicator across time. For that, I use % bull/bear. Bulls are above 50, bears are below 25. That is pretty extreme. As for who "people" are who are questioning this rally, I am referring to the canslimmers on this list, per the previous post I was referring to. In a true bull run, it is fairly obvious where the leaders are, and it only requires a little work to find them. I would argue that you have to do quite a bit of work to uncover the leadership here, which is pretty thin for a run of this size. For example, in last years' 4Q, which I don't consider a true bull run but rather a playable oversold bounce, the homebuilders were right in your face as leaders. The move was broad and aggressive (there were other leaders too, of course). I don't see that here. Eric AJAskey@aol.com wrote: I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something. I think you should really worry more when people are confident that it is real. And who are "people" anyway? The clowns on TV who say the market is going to tank while their traders are buying up all the shares the talking head shook free? Andy - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now - --0-1842552158-1037978736=:36970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

In determining whether "people" are confident the rally is real, I think you need to use a consistent indicator across time. For that, I use % bull/bear. Bulls are above 50, bears are below 25. That is pretty extreme.

As for who "people" are who are questioning this rally, I am referring to the canslimmers on this list, per the previous post I was referring to. In a true bull run, it is fairly obvious where the leaders are, and it only requires a little work to find them. I would argue that you have to do quite a bit of work to uncover the leadership here, which is pretty thin for a run of this size. For example, in last years' 4Q, which I don't consider a true bull run but rather a playable oversold bounce, the homebuilders were right in your face as leaders. The move was broad and aggressive (there were other leaders too, of course). I don't see that here.

Eric

 AJAskey@aol.com wrote:


I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something.


I think you should really worry more when people are confident that it is real.  And who are "people" anyway?  The clowns on TV who say the market is going to tank while their traders are buying up all the shares the talking head shook free?

Andy



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Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now - --0-1842552158-1037978736=:36970-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:44:37 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Jaenike Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M - --0-579322563-1037979877=:95755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In saying "well", I am referring to "well" relative to the move in the indices as well as relative to the universe of canslim stocks that have broken out, i.e. the best of the breakouts. In a bull run, you're going to see lots of breakouts. Some of those breakouts will work "well", in that they have strong price appreciation, tepid pullbacks, etc. In other words, really strong canslim breakouts. Others will work fine, in that they hold above their breakouts, move up, etc, but don't act as well as the former category. For the purposes of the post, I was using "well" to mean this best of the best group. So, for example, TSCO has acted OK, in that its above its breakout, etc, but it hasn't acted "well" in that it dropped below its pivot (albiet slightly), and there have been some p/v yellow flags, etc. Also for the purposes of the discussion, I am excluding stocks like UNTD, which I believe is the combo of the old Netzero and Juno. While it certainly is a canslim/turnaround type stock, I am excluding it from the list, because I excluded that type of stock from the previous runs' lists, and I want to be consistent across comparisons. That is not to say it is not a playable stock, but merely that for comparison purposes, I don't want to include it. In sum, for the move we've had in the indices, the doing "well" list, which I take as a barometer of market health, seems awfully thin. The point I was trying to make is simply that the market in general is not as strong as the move in the indices would indicate. Hope that provides some clarity. Eric Katherine Malm wrote:Hi Eric, A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are "working" that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* been working and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your list. When you look at market health, how are you defining the candidates you consider to be CANSLIM stocks? Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Jaenike To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:02 PMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something. Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls. I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc. It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us believe. Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old. As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my longs. Eric kentuna wrote: Katherine,I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.Thanks----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Malm To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PMSubject: Re: [CANSLIM] M Hi Ian, Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well." I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me. Katherine----- Original Message ----- From: Ian To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PMSubject: [CANSLIM] M Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy? It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues. It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well. So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'? Ian Eric JaenikePresidentVector Investment Management303-300-2961 - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now - --0-579322563-1037979877=:95755 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

In saying "well", I am referring to "well" relative to the move in the indices as well as relative to the universe of canslim stocks that have broken out, i.e. the best of the breakouts.

In a bull run, you're going to see lots of breakouts. Some of those breakouts will work "well", in that they have strong price appreciation, tepid pullbacks, etc. In other words, really strong canslim breakouts. Others will work fine, in that they hold above their breakouts, move up, etc, but don't act as well as the former category.

For the purposes of the post, I was using "well" to mean this best of the best group. So, for example, TSCO has acted OK, in that its above its breakout, etc, but it hasn't acted "well" in that it dropped below its pivot (albiet slightly), and there have been some p/v yellow flags, etc.

Also for the purposes of the discussion, I am excluding stocks like UNTD, which I believe is the combo of the old Netzero and Juno. While it certainly is a canslim/turnaround type stock, I am excluding it from the list, because I excluded that type of stock from the previous runs' lists, and I want to be consistent across comparisons. That is not to say it is not a playable stock, but merely that for comparison purposes, I don't want to include it.

In sum, for the move we've had in the indices, the doing "well" list, which I take as a barometer of market health, seems awfully thin. The point I was trying to make is simply that the market in general is not as strong as the move in the indices would indicate.

Hope that provides some clarity.

Eric

 

 Katherine Malm <kmalm@earthlink.net> wrote:

Hi Eric,
 
A question for you--I noticed in your list of stocks that are "working" that there were many CANSLIM quality growth stocks that *have* been working and demonstrating leadership noticeably missing from your list. When you look at market health, how are you defining the candidates you consider to be CANSLIM stocks?
 
Katherine
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

I think this market is not nearly as strong as the indices make it appear. While it clearly has a bid under it, the very fact that people are questioning whether it is real or not says something.

Market leadership is firmly rooted in the SOX right now, the playground of the beta chasers, and I think that is pulling the market along with it. While there certainly is playable strength in the market, I think a true bull run would display much better leadership. We are up 32% on the Nas from the October low, and 21% on the S&P. That is a long way to go without clear, assertive leadership. Consider also that we are now above 50% bulls.

I can find only a handful of stocks that have broken out and really performed well. These include VRNT IDXX BSX ELAB TEVA LCI ATRS IGT PIXR. (These are only the ones I have on my own lists. There are, of course, others, such as ISSX, but for the purposes of this discussion, I am excluding them as not pure, traditional CANSLIM). Contrast these with the runs in stocks such as KLAC, INTC, VSEA, AMAT, LRCX, QLGC, etc.

It seems I am having to work far to hard to find the leadership in this market for this to be the solid bull run the indices would have us believe.

Most recently, there have been runs in the real speculative dogs, such as PUMA AKAM INKT LOOK ARBA LEXR OPWV RSAS CELL WGRD TIVO. I consider that to also be a sign that this run is getting old.

As I watch this run, I am constantly reminded of last year's 4Q. I think this run still has legs, but I would pay very close attention to my longs.

Eric

 kentuna <kentuna@cox.net> wrote:

Katherine,
I know this has been discussed before, but would you kindly define small cap and large cap again. What is the actual criteria that is used.
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] M

Hi Ian,
 
Just a quick note... re your comment "It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well."
 
I noticed SFNT powering ahead today. I've also noticed that money is definitely coming *out* of the safe-haven defensive issues such as healthcare/hospitals, etc. In general, I see far more breakouts than I've seen since last year, so all together, still looks promising to me.
 
Katherine
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:23 PM
Subject: [CANSLIM] M

Is anyone else finding any "NEW" winners emerging from this buying frenzy?
 
It seems to me that several recent rally leaders are rolling over ugly today - HITK, LCI, ACET - while the indices power ahead, propelled by the most heavily shorted isues.
 
It is also baffling to me that the sectors that stand to benefit the most from coming increases in government spending - the defense and security sector - are watching this action from the sideline as well.
 
So am I mising the new leaders of the bull, or is this just shot-term traders using liquidity to squeeze heavily shorted positions? Opinions? Whither 'M'?
 
Ian


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