From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #3332 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Sunday, May 25 2003 Volume 02 : Number 3332 In this issue: RE: APPX (was: [CANSLIM] ADVP) Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP Re: [CANSLIM] Options Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:22:46 -0400 From: Roger Tawa Subject: RE: APPX (was: [CANSLIM] ADVP) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --Boundary_(ID_KwGU9xKco6+2t6/7DRl31A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Katherine, As always, thank you very much for your commentary. One thing I have heard very much is that you should have a profit taking plan in place *before* you buy a stock. In this case, my plan was to sell if it reached 20% profit, so I am going to stick with this plan. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 5:37 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: APPX (was: [CANSLIM] ADVP) Hi Roger, APPX is another one of those cases where you have a better perspective on the action since the breakout by using a weekly chart: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/APPXWkly052303.JPG It's hard not to have a situation where price declines a bit since the breakout, because that day, the volume was 150%+ of average. Subsequent days can still be on respectable volume, but viewed in contrast to the big breakout day, might give the impression of wedging action. In that case, you want to ask whether the action, in general, is doing what you'd expect. Are up days on high volume and down days on low volume? Is there a significant decrease in volume on up days in comparison to the beginning of the run or is it still respectibly high? Is the price churning (very little upward price movement on high volume)? Etc. http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/APPX052303.JPG That doesn't mean APPX won't flash warning signs in the near future, but right now it looks pretty healthy. That also shouldn't affect your profit taking plan in any way. If you've chosen to follow the 20%-take-it-and-run rule, then you should absolutely stick to your plan. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:58 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Thanks again Katherine. In the case of APPX, I stock which I purchased at 26.99$ as it broke out on 05-14, and which I still hold, I have been looking for any signs of whether I should get out. although the rsrank is great and the rsline is making new all-time highs, it has definitely been wedging since the breakout. Do you consider the rsline action outweighs the wedge or not? Please feel free not to answer this question given my vested interest in APPX. Note that, given I am very new at this, I will, much more than likely, invoke the take-your-20%-profit-and-run rule with this one. ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 12:36 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi Roger, Contrary to what might seem to be the case, a strong stock will most often see the RSLine stay flat or (preferrably) rise even as price is falling. That occurs because, despite the pullback, the price action *relative to the market as a whole* is still showing superiority. For example, if the price of stock A is falling at a *slower rate* than the market is falling, the RSLine will rise. That's why you can have a stock's RSLine rise even as the price is falling on the left side of the cup and why it's possible for the RSLine to make new highs, even as the stock's price is drifting down within the handle (which is ideally what you would like to see). However, I wouldn't get overly concerned about a minor pullback in the RSLine during the handle as long as the overall upward trend of the RSLine remains intact. That can happen when the market as a whole is very strong. What you really want to keep your eye on is a very marked negative divergence in the direction of the RSLine relative to the price action in the stock. This will happen in ill formed bases and in stocks that are currently rising after a previous breakout. If the price continues to rise while the RSLine heads markedly South, that's a warning sign the move is running out of gas. This is the same reasoning you would use when looking for the "wedging" action discussed here on the list previously. That is, if price is rising on ever decreasing volume, that divergence shows a lack of conviction in the move and raises the likelihood that the stock will correct. That's why you ideally want to see volume *rise* on the right side of the cup. Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:13 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Thanks Katherine. As for the down-sloping ud volume in the handle, I guess that's to be expected in a proper handle given that the price should be falling. would the same be true for the rsline and rsrank? Assuming the handle is forming due to a general market downturn, you might expect the rsline and rank to (at least) be flat for a true leader. Does that make sense? ================================================= Roger Tawa http://tawacentral.net/ [One thing about paradigms: shift happens.] [When you stop, you're done.] -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:56 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi Roger, I think with a stock like ADVP, particularly where the base is lengthy, it's easiest to put the volume action in perspective when looking at the weekly chart. I don't think there's anything worrisome about an decreasing ADV line as it's simply summarizing action over the last 50 days and so will vary a bit, particularly if there were some very high volume days early in the 50 day period that then drop off the calculation as time marches on. That would be particularly true when much of the base falls outside that 50 day period. In this case, ADVP's base is more than a year. If there were high volume on the left side or near the bottom of the base as the stock pushed down and then made a high volume reversal at the bottom, then eventually, those volume bars fall outside the 50 days and action on the right side of the base takes over in the ADV calculation. So, all in all, I'd put ADVP's base into perspective by looking at the weekly action: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVPWkly052303.JPG and a close up of the action on the right side of the base and handle: http://www.cwhcharts.com/katherine/ADVP052303.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 8:42 PM To: CANSLIM Subject: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi all, I am looking at ADVP. I do not own it at this time. It seems to have pretty good fundies. As for the chart, the handle looks good, going down along the lows and volume drying up. The rsline is making new highs at the pp. the rsrank and ud volume are good. Finally, the weekly chart also looks good, except it seems to have a downtrend in the ud volume. The one thing I'm not sure about is the lack of volume in rhs of the cup. In fact, the 50 day ADV actually goes down during the rhs of the cup, except for one spike near the pp. Is this a big concern? 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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 20:06:17 -0700 From: "Chris Jones" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Hi Ian - How does making 40% returns become more difficult as the size of your account increases? Assuming you're still sticking with the same types of stocks, can't you expect the same types of returns? Thanks Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian" To: Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > Hi Tomas: > > I'll be the exception here and say that I believe that 40% a year is a > reasonable goal (particularly up until you have about $600,000 - IMHO, > outsized returns are a lot easier with smaller amounts of money) if you are > extremely disciplined about: > * cutting losses very early > * REALLY letting your winners run > * committed to buying strong breakouts during confirmed rallies (You don't > have to believe in a 'secular bull' to do this - but you do need to > understand that most of these rallies are good for about 2 months and 30% > runs in the indices). > > NONE of these 3 things are remotely easy. They all seem to fly in the face > of basic human nature. But they are all absolutely essential to achieve > outsized gains. > > > My personal goals are to double every two years (about 42% per year), and I > have been achieving it. As an example, my virtual fund was started 2 years > ago this weekend, and is up about 118% to date: > http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa/wa/FundPublicPa > ge?source=DoPiAlBbDlAmIgAmMaKiAbBi (and this was during an ugly market, and > with an average of 30% cash, and no shorting allowed, and using strict SEC > mutual fund asset allocation rules) > > As a Canadian, the hardest part about trying to compound the gains is > taxes - I'm not sure how difficult that is in the US. > > Consider all the strong post-March 12 breakouts that are up 80-200%. If you > slowly went to fully invested as these breakouts happened, you would easily > be up 40% in the last 2 1/2 months. > > IMHO, with an unintentional focus on microcaps and nanocaps, I think that > somewhere in the neighbourhood of $2,000,000 - $4,000,000 is where these > kind of gains become more difficult. Therefore, for the professional money > manager, who must look after 10's of millions just to earn a living from > fees, it really is unreasonable to expect 40%+ annual gains. But for the > individual investor with a much smaller amount of $$$, I believe their > 'money making universe' is an order of magnitude larger in terms of > available equities, so they have a reasonable chance at these kind of gains. > > Consider SSYS and HITK, which have been 2 of the best stocks during the last > 2 months. Both of them were trading under 100,000 shares a day when the > rally started (SSYS had a 13,000 share day in early march, with the average > probably under 50,000). As a professional manager with $100,000,000, you > probably couldn't or wouldn't buy enough of either of these to make a huge > impact on you fund. But as an individual, if you buy 6-10 positions for > yourself, these two stocks alone could have netted you 20-30%. > > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > Marketocracy has 100+ funds that were up 30% in the last 30 days alone: > http://www.marketocracy.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Portfolio.woa/wa/RankingViewP > age?date=20030516&subject=30Days%20Rankings%2081%20%2D%20100 > IMHO, that is only possible because of the small position sizes. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tomas > To: canslim canslim > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > > > > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal is to > > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable goal? > > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and add > > between $5-$10K capital every year. > > > > I understand that there are many factors like > > - how discipline you are > > - how diligence you are > > - how persistent you are > > - how you learn from your mistake and > > do post analysis of your trades > > - and even how lucky you are. > > > > But assumption that the investor is decently good on > > those factors. What is your opinion? > > > > Thanks, > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 23:15:12 EDT From: Spencer48@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP Katherine: Per your last sentence of this E-mail, how would you handle a stock that is in an obvious good looking C&H, and whose right side shows price increasing on good volume-but whose right side also shows that the RS Line is declining as the right side builds up to the Handle? One or the other (volume or RSL) must be given the the deciding weight. Which would you choose-and why? jans In a message dated 5/24/2003 12:38:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kmalm@earthlink.net writes: << What you really want to keep your eye on is a very marked negative divergence in the direction of the RSLine relative to the price action in the stock. ...if price is rising on ever decreasing volume, that divergence shows a lack of conviction in the move and raises the likelihood that the stock will correct. That's why you ideally want to see volume *rise* on the right side of the cup. >> - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 01:43:32 -0700 From: "Chris Jones" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Options I've been wondering about the same thing. In most stocks with a sound CwH, they'll often go up $5 or so within only a few days of breakout (in my limited experience). In many cases trading options (not to limit losses, but to speculate) would produce a 50-100% return with only a $5 increase in the stock price. That seems very tempting to me, until I remember that if the breakout fails and the stock falls below your strike price, you're instantly out nearly 100%. Risk and return, but it sure sounds tempting. Has anyone tried doing this with CANSLIM stocks breaking out of CwH bases? IMO, using stops at 8% would prevent you from really needing to use options to protect yourself, and they cut into your profits if you're right. Of course, I've never even used an option yet, so take that for what it's worth. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "david rossing" To: Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:26 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] Options > I was wondering, does anyone here use options when they are doing > CANSLIM? I don't know a lot about options, so I am trying to figure > out if they are useful here, and could help set stop loss limits, > though not necessarily at an 8% price drop. Thanks > > Dave > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 06:40:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert Gammon" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? This is an Extended Internal Rate of Return calculation or a Compound Annual Growth Rate calculation. XIRR includes cash flow calculations, CAGR does not. To achieve the $2M goal, starting with $10K at age 29 and adding $10K each and every year thru age 40, requires an average annual return of about 46% for an XIRR of 40.81% Check the math add-ins pack for your spreadsheet to see the calculations for XIRR(). It needs several inputs, including an initial guess as to the magnitude of the result, the range of dates, and the cash flows of the investment. Robert Gammon Houston, TX On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:59:25 -0700 (PDT), Tomas wrote: >Chris, > >I also did the calculation. I guess the question is >if 40% -50% return reasonable possible with CS when >average out 10 years. > > >--- Chris Jones wrote: >> Tomas - >> I'm certainly not a senior CS'er, but I've been >> looking into the same >> question recently. By the simple rules of compound >> interest, here's how it >> breaks down: >> With a principal of $10000, you need to invest >> $10000 every year, and get an >> average return of 40% per year to earn $2 million by >> the time you're 40. >> >> I guess it all just depends on how good you are. I >> have a spreadsheet that >> I found/tweaked where you can enter your own >> Principal, Interest Rate, and >> Yearly Contribution to figure this stuff out. Lemme >> know if anyone wants >> it. >> >> Chris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tomas" >> To: "canslim canslim" >> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM >> Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? >> >> >> > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an >> > investor is 29 years old right now, and his goal >> is to >> > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable >> goal? >> > The assumption is that he will start with $10K and >> add >> > between $5-$10K capital every year. >> > >> > I understand that there are many factors like >> > - how discipline you are >> > - how diligence you are >> > - how persistent you are >> > - how you learn from your mistake and >> > do post analysis of your trades >> > - and even how lucky you are. >> > >> > But assumption that the investor is decently good >> on >> > those factors. What is your opinion? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > tomas >> > >> > >> > __________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >> > http://search.yahoo.com >> > >> > - >> > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >> email. >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >email. > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 07:56:40 -0500 From: "Katherine Malm" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] ADVP Hi jans, Darn...such a tough question for a holiday weekend! :)) First, I'd say that it's rare that these are the only 2 factors I would use in making a decision as to whether or not to pursue a stock. Even from a technical perspective, there are more risk-factor clues to consider, such as the tightness of the ranges on the right side of the base, the quality of the handle, the number of up weeks on above average volume vs down weeks on above average volume within the base, the technical condition of this stock relative to other stocks within the industry, the technical condition of the industry as a whole, etc. And none of those factors consider the fundamental condition of the stock or the underlying characteristics of the business such as competitive advantage, potential business or accounting red flags, etc. That said, however, if I were looking at 2 stocks with *all else being equal*, then I'd always choose the one that is technically most sound. That means I would choose the one with *both* rising volume on the right side of the cup *and* a rising RSLine (particuarly if the RSLine is rising to new highs ahead of the price) over the one with rising volume and a declining RSLine. Here's the logic behind the assessment of the first stock being "better": If the price is rising on the right side of the cup (whether volume is rising or not) and the RSLine is *falling*, that means this stock is rising in price at a rate slower than the market as a whole is rising. Translation: it's lagging the market. Eventually this stock will fall back in RSRank, because other stocks that are rising faster than the market will show outperformance relative to this stock and therefore have higher RSRanks. In short, it means this stock is a laggard, i.e., money is not flowing into it as quickly as it is flowing into other stocks. I'd much rather pursue a leading stock, as strong outperformance against both the market as a whole (RSLine) and relative to all other stocks (RSRank) tends to lead to outsized gains. I think the real problem is that without a system that gives one a very thorough view of all stocks currently setting up in bases and nearing a breakout, it's easy to "settle" for a flawed stock like this because one doesn't have an quick and easy way to view all the other (potentially better) stocks that are also setting up at the same time. It's like choosing something behind door number one when nobody has let on there is another door available with more choices to consider. Katherine - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Spencer48@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:15 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] ADVP Katherine: Per your last sentence of this E-mail, how would you handle a stock that is in an obvious good looking C&H, and whose right side shows price increasing on good volume-but whose right side also shows that the RS Line is declining as the right side builds up to the Handle? One or the other (volume or RSL) must be given the the deciding weight. Which would you choose-and why? jans In a message dated 5/24/2003 12:38:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kmalm@earthlink.net writes: << What you really want to keep your eye on is a very marked negative divergence in the direction of the RSLine relative to the price action in the stock. ...if price is rising on ever decreasing volume, that divergence shows a lack of conviction in the move and raises the likelihood that the stock will correct. That's why you ideally want to see volume *rise* on the right side of the cup. >> - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:08:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? Robert, Thanks for the information. I looked in Excel and the function is call MIRR. BTW, I am from Houston, TX too. :) tomas - --- Robert Gammon wrote: > This is an Extended Internal Rate of Return > calculation or a > Compound Annual Growth Rate calculation. XIRR > includes cash flow > calculations, CAGR does not. > > To achieve the $2M goal, starting with $10K at age > 29 and adding > $10K each and every year thru age 40, requires an > average annual > return of about 46% for an XIRR of 40.81% > > Check the math add-ins pack for your spreadsheet to > see the > calculations for XIRR(). It needs several inputs, > including an > initial guess as to the magnitude of the result, the > range of > dates, and the cash flows of the investment. > > Robert Gammon > Houston, TX > > On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:59:25 -0700 (PDT), Tomas > wrote: > > >Chris, > > > >I also did the calculation. I guess the question > is > >if 40% -50% return reasonable possible with CS when > >average out 10 years. > > > > > >--- Chris Jones wrote: > >> Tomas - > >> I'm certainly not a senior CS'er, but I've been > >> looking into the same > >> question recently. By the simple rules of > compound > >> interest, here's how it > >> breaks down: > >> With a principal of $10000, you need to invest > >> $10000 every year, and get an > >> average return of 40% per year to earn $2 million > by > >> the time you're 40. > >> > >> I guess it all just depends on how good you are. > I > >> have a spreadsheet that > >> I found/tweaked where you can enter your own > >> Principal, Interest Rate, and > >> Yearly Contribution to figure this stuff out. > Lemme > >> know if anyone wants > >> it. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tomas" > >> To: "canslim canslim" > > >> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:57 PM > >> Subject: [CANSLIM] Reasonable Goal? > >> > >> > >> > This question is for the senior CS'ers. If an > >> > investor is 29 years old right now, and his > goal > >> is to > >> > make $2M by 40 to retire, is this a reasonable > >> goal? > >> > The assumption is that he will start with $10K > and > >> add > >> > between $5-$10K capital every year. > >> > > >> > I understand that there are many factors like > >> > - how discipline you are > >> > - how diligence you are > >> > - how persistent you are > >> > - how you learn from your mistake and > >> > do post analysis of your trades > >> > - and even how lucky you are. > >> > > >> > But assumption that the investor is decently > good > >> on > >> > those factors. What is your opinion? > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > tomas > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________ > >> > Do you Yahoo!? > >> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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