From: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com (canslim-digest) To: canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: canslim-digest V2 #3418 Reply-To: canslim Sender: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-canslim-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-No-Archive: yes canslim-digest Tuesday, July 15 2003 Volume 02 : Number 3418 In this issue: RE: [CANSLIM] Market Trend Charts Re: [CANSLIM] RE RE: [CANSLIM] RE RE: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks hi/low versus industry group ranking Re: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks hi/low versus industry group ranking [CANSLIM] Trade Fee Re: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee Re: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee Re: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee Re: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee Re: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:53:07 -0500 From: "Kelly Short" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] Market Trend Charts This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34AE9.2F092844 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gene, =20 Do you have any opinions to offer regarding this information? I see that = many stocks are above their 50 and 200 dma and that RS lines are = trending downward. However, most stocks seem to be trading between their = upper and lower bands and money flow doesn't seem to indicate enormous = swings either way. Do you think the market is a) absorbing a recent = run-up b) peaking before a short term decline towards a resistance = point, or c) giving the bear market pundits fuel for the flames (e.g. = forecasting a major decline)? I'd be interested to hear what you have to = say. Thanks. =20 Kelly - -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ricci [mailto:genr@swbell.net] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:19 PM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: [CANSLIM] Market Trend Charts May be of interest to you. =20 Gene =20 Charts have been updated through today (7/14) =20 http://www.sectorrotationfund.com/MarketTrends.htm =20 Duke Jones, CMT www.longboatglobal.com www.sectorrotationfund.com =20 - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34AE9.2F092844 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Gene,
 
Do you=20 have any opinions to offer regarding this information? I see that many = stocks=20 are above their 50 and 200 dma and that RS lines are trending downward. = However,=20 most stocks seem to be trading between their upper and lower bands and = money=20 flow doesn't seem to indicate enormous swings either way. Do you think = the=20 market is a) absorbing a recent run-up b) peaking before a short term = decline=20 towards a resistance point, or c) giving the bear market pundits = fuel for=20 the flames (e.g. forecasting a major decline)? I'd be interested to hear = what=20 you have to say. Thanks.
 
Kelly
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Ricci=20 [mailto:genr@swbell.net]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 7:19=20 PM
To: canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: = [CANSLIM]=20 Market Trend Charts

May be of interest to = you.
 
Gene
 

Charts have been updated through today = (7/14)
 
http://www.se= ctorrotationfund.com/MarketTrends.htm
 
Duke Jones, CMT
www.longboatglobal.com<= /DIV>
www.sectorrotationfund.com=
 
- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34AE9.2F092844-- - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:54:34 -0400 From: "Jonathan Lobatto" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RE According to Quotes Plus database both RS and EPS for RE are in the 60s. The RS has been in a steady downtrend since April - ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Tafoya" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] RE > Anyone keeping an eye on RE? I like the fundies and I've been eyeing > this one as a CWH candidate since noticing it on a watch list at Amateur > Investors. > > It was looking like volume and price were pushing for a breakout today. > I took a small position at what looked like a pullback just above the > pivot and it's retreated since, more or less tracking with the Dow > pullback since mid-day. It's not anywhere near my stop area, but it's > always rough taking a position and watching the numbers almost > immediately run red on you. > > Any opinions as to the quality of this CWH formation? I'm seeing about a > two-year cup and what appears to be a nice shakeout over a multi-week > handle. It does look like volume in the handle got a little hot the day > that Yahoo announced and the market retreated. > > Any other insights would be appreciated. > > Richard > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:03:31 -0700 From: "Richard Tafoya" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] RE I'm seeing an IBD RS Rating of 72, which is in my comfort range. Granted, when you're hunting for breakouts, you're buying volatility. I'll hold and watch and try not to obsess on the intra-day moves. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Lobatto Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:55 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] RE According to Quotes Plus database both RS and EPS for RE are in the 60s. The RS has been in a steady downtrend since April - ---------------------------------------------------- This mailbox protected from junk email by Matador from MailFrontier, Inc. http://info.mailfrontier.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Tafoya" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 11:26 AM Subject: [CANSLIM] RE > Anyone keeping an eye on RE? I like the fundies and I've been eyeing > this one as a CWH candidate since noticing it on a watch list at > Amateur Investors. > > It was looking like volume and price were pushing for a breakout > today. I took a small position at what looked like a pullback just > above the pivot and it's retreated since, more or less tracking with > the Dow pullback since mid-day. It's not anywhere near my stop area, > but it's always rough taking a position and watching the numbers > almost immediately run red on you. > > Any opinions as to the quality of this CWH formation? I'm seeing about > a two-year cup and what appears to be a nice shakeout over a > multi-week handle. It does look like volume in the handle got a little > hot the day that Yahoo announced and the market retreated. > > Any other insights would be appreciated. > > Richard > > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or -"unsubscribe > canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:05:54 -0500 From: "Ron Brown" Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks hi/low versus industry group ranking This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C34AC1.0FB0E2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you, Katherine, Happy to be back. I hope to contribute when I have time. Ron -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine Malm Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:37 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks hi/low versus industry group ranking Hi Ron, Welcome back. I thought I would add a description of the VV industry ranks to round out the comparison of HGSI, DGO and VV: VectorVest (VV) uses a proprietary indicator called RT (Relative Timing) as the basis for their group rankings. Each stock in the database is assigned an RT and all stocks in an industry, regardless of price, are then averaged to create the RT for the industry itself. The value of the average RT for an industry is then sorted from highest to lowest to assign an industry rank from 1 to 195ish (this changes periodically as they make adjustments to their industries). The RT itself is essentially an indicator of the direction and velocity of the price movement of a stock. Imagine a rubber band attached to a stick. The stick represents the the 13 week exponential moving average. The more the price is stretched above the 13wk EMA, the closer the RT value is to 2. The more the price is stretched below the 13wk EMA, the closer the RT value is to 0. If the price is very near the 13 week EMA, the RT value is 1. 2 things in particular add to the "faster" rankings changes in VV vs. DGO: (1) For ranking purposes, only 13 weeks is used vs. 26 weeks for DGO industry rankings. (2) The RT is responsive to the speed and direction of the 13 week price change in the stocks within the industry because the EMA places more weight on more recent prices than does a simple moving average. If the stock launches a high velocity move in one direction or another, the RT moves quickly toward 2 or 0, because the "stretch" from the EMA itself is also taken into account. As with all industry ranking systems, it's important to remember that they represent the *average* action of stocks within the industry and so always have limitations. With VV's industry ranking system: (1) This means that if the stocks within the industry behave essentially similar, the average RT upon which the Industry Rank is based is somewhat meaningful. If, however, you have some stocks behaving badly and some stock behaving well, they average out to "neutral." (2) The RT measurement itself has limitations. For example, there is nothing in the RT measurement itself that takes into account the *direction* (slope) of the 13 wk EMA. So, You can have an RT >1, meaning the stock is above the 13 wk EMA, but it could easily be a *declining* EMA. (3) The price one pays for a shorter term indicator of industry health/ranking is that it tends to increase the volatility in the rankings over time. For example, if you look at a sample VV industry ranking, you can see how quickly an industry can move from low to high in the rankings and back. By itself, this is not problematic, but it does point out the importance of matching the industry ranking time frame to the investing strategy timeframe. In an "Ask Bill" column a day or so ago, a local farmer asked whether the IBD's A/D ranking was a lagging indicator. The IBD answered (paraphrasing) that they consider 13 weeks to be short term and as such, do not believe that the A/D lags. They also stated that it was the "fastest" of their indicators. That makes sense only because stock their RS Ranks are based on 1 year and their Group RS Ranks are based on 6 months. Guess it all depends on your perspective. I'd say A/D is definitely "faster" than the other measurements, but I wouldn't conclude that it doesn't "lag." Sample VV industry ranking. Note that lower rankings are "better", so the graph is essentially upside down: http://www.breakoutwatch.com/katherine/SampleVVRTR.JPG Katherine -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ron Brown Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:07 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks hi/low versus industry group ranking Hi Gene, This is Ron Brown from the HGS Investors board. I am not familiar with V V's groups, but as you well know, you can set your you own time frame in HGSI for group rotation in addition to standard Ian Slow and Ian Fast and Wilder, we are able to make our own settings based on % price changes over any length of time. Personally, I look at % price changes for one day, since the beginning of the week, and five day changes to see if short term strength is confirming long term group strength. If not, this may be an indication of early rotation in or out of a group. I just rejoined this mailing list, and will not plug HGSI, but I will be available to answer questions. The answers may not be immediate, but I will answer questions when I have time. Ron -----Original Message----- From: owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gene Ricci Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:17 AM To: canslim@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks hi/low versus industry group ranking Roger, > 1) VectorVest - fastest > > 2) HGSI - not quite as fast Gene - ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C34AC1.0FB0E2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank=20 you, Katherine,
 
Happy=20 to be back.  I hope to contribute when I have = time.
 
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Katherine = Malm
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:37 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks = hi/low=20 versus industry group ranking

Hi Ron,
 
Welcome back.
 
I thought I would add a = description of the=20 VV industry ranks to round out the comparison of HGSI, DGO and=20 VV:
 
VectorVest (VV) uses a = proprietary=20 indicator called RT (Relative Timing) as the basis for their group = rankings.=20 Each stock in the database is assigned an RT and all stocks in an = industry,=20 regardless of price, are then averaged to create the RT for the = industry=20 itself. The value of the average RT for an industry is then sorted = from=20 highest to lowest to assign an industry rank from 1 to 195ish (this = changes=20 periodically as they make adjustments to their = industries).
 
The RT itself is essentially an = indicator=20 of the direction and velocity of the price movement of a stock. = Imagine a=20 rubber band attached to a stick. The stick represents the the 13 week=20 exponential moving average. The more the price is stretched above the = 13wk=20 EMA, the closer the RT value is to 2. The more the price is stretched = below=20 the 13wk EMA, the closer the RT value is to 0. If the price is very = near the=20 13 week EMA, the RT value is 1.
 
2 things in particular add to = the "faster"=20 rankings changes in VV vs. DGO:
(1) For ranking purposes, only = 13 weeks is=20 used vs. 26 weeks for DGO industry rankings.
(2) The RT is responsive to the = speed and=20 direction of the 13 week price change in the stocks within the=20 industry because the EMA places more weight on more recent prices = than=20 does a simple moving average. If the stock launches a high velocity = move in=20 one direction or another, the RT moves quickly toward 2 or 0, because = the=20 "stretch" from the EMA itself is also taken into account.
 
As with all industry ranking = systems, it's=20 important to remember that they represent the *average* action of = stocks=20 within the industry and so always have limitations. With VV's industry = ranking=20 system:
 
(1) This means that if the = stocks within=20 the industry behave essentially similar, the average RT upon which the = Industry Rank is based is somewhat meaningful. If, however, you have = some=20 stocks behaving badly and some stock behaving well, they average out = to=20 "neutral."
 
(2) The RT = measurement itself has=20 limitations. For example, there is nothing in the RT measurement = itself that=20 takes into account the *direction* (slope) of the 13 wk EMA. So, You = can have=20 an RT >1, meaning the stock is above the 13 wk EMA, but it could = easily be=20 a *declining* EMA.
 
(3) The price one pays for a = shorter term=20 indicator of industry health/ranking is that it tends to increase the=20 volatility in the rankings over time. For example, if you look at a = sample VV=20 industry ranking, you can see how quickly an industry can move from = low to=20 high in the rankings and back. By itself, this is not problematic, but = it does=20 point out the importance of matching the industry ranking time frame = to the=20 investing strategy timeframe. In an "Ask Bill" column a day or so ago, = a local=20 farmer asked whether the IBD's A/D ranking was a lagging indicator. = The IBD=20 answered (paraphrasing) that they consider 13 weeks to be short term = and as=20 such, do not believe that the A/D lags.  They also stated that it = was the=20 "fastest" of their indicators. That makes sense only because stock = their RS=20 Ranks are based on 1 year and their Group RS Ranks are based on 6 = months.=20 Guess it all depends on your perspective. I'd say A/D is definitely = "faster"=20 than the other measurements, but I wouldn't conclude that it doesn't=20 "lag."
 
Sample VV industry ranking. Note = that=20 lower rankings are "better", so the graph is essentially upside=20 down:
http://ww= w.breakoutwatch.com/katherine/SampleVVRTR.JPG
 
Katherine
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ron=20 Brown
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:07 AM
To:=20 canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks = hi/low=20 versus industry group ranking

Hi=20 Gene,
 
This is Ron Brown from the HGS Investors=20 board. 
 
I=20 am not familiar with V V's groups, but as you well know, you = can set=20 your you own time frame in HGSI for group rotation in = addition=20 to standard Ian Slow and Ian Fast and Wilder, we are able to make = our own=20 settings based on % price changes over any length of=20 time.
 
Personally, I look at % price changes for = one day,=20 since the beginning of the week, and five day changes to see if = short=20 term strength is confirming long term group strength.  If not, = this may=20 be an indication of early rotation in or out of a = group.
 
I=20 just rejoined this mailing list, and will not plug HGSI, but I will = be=20 available to answer questions.  The answers may not be = immediate,=20 but I will answer questions when I have = time.
 
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-canslim@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Gene=20 Ricci
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:17 AM
To: = canslim@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] = 52-weeks=20 hi/low versus industry group ranking

Roger,
 
 > 1) VectorVest - fastest
> > 2) HGSI - = not quite=20 as fast
Gene
 
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Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks hi/low versus industry group ranking Roger, I use Katherine's :). tomas - --- Gene Ricci wrote: > Roger, > > > 1) VectorVest - fastest > > > 2) HGSI - not quite as fast > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger > To: canslim@lists.xmission.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks hi/low versus > industry group ranking > > > Aloha Gene/Tomas > So if your not IBD's group rankings what are you > using > Aloha > Roger > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tomas" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks hi/low versus > industry group ranking > > > > Gene, > > > > Yea, I am beginning to realize that. With > Katherine's > > comprehensive answer and your confirmation, I > will not > > use IBD's group ranking anymore (not that I was > using > > it heavily before anyways). > > > > thanks, > > tomas > > > > --- Gene Ricci wrote: > > > Tomas, I have found that IBD's industry > rankings to > > > be too slow to be of any worth... other than > to get > > > you into a hot industry later than other > services > > > (HGSI and VectorVest) and keeping you there > long > > > after you should have exited. Of the three: > > > 1) VectorVest - fastest > > > 2) HGSI - not quite as fast > > > 3) IBD/DGO - too slow to be used for 'tops > down' > > > approach (my opinion) > > > > > > Gene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Tomas > > > To: canslim canslim > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:07 PM > > > Subject: [CANSLIM] 52-weeks hi/low versus > industry > > > group ranking > > > > > > > > > I noticed that there is a big discrepancy > between > > > the > > > 52-weeks hi/low and industry group ranking > in IBD. > > > > > > Looks like Internet-Content group has been > ranked > > > 1 > > > for for the last few weeks. However, most > of the > > > stocks making new highs report in the > 52-weeks > > > hi/low > > > is in the medical, banks and business svc > groups. > > > Why > > > is that? Is the group ranking way off? > > > > > > Regards, > > > tomas > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > - > > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > -In the email body, write "subscribe > canslim" or > > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes > in your > > > email. > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > - > > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in > your email. > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:27:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tomas Subject: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee Hi All, I just noticed that TDwaterhouse (my brokerage) jacked up the trade fee from $12 to $17.95. So, just curious, what do you guys pay for your commission fee (what brokerage). I know that you get what you pay for, but using CS I do not use any of the brokerage services (research,...). I have all the tools I need already. I am only interested in good execution and low fees from a brokerage. Or maybe I am missing out on some of the services that the brokerage is providing. inputs? Thanks, tomas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:32:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert Gammon" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee Brown&Co and Ameritrade both have reasonable commissions in the $10 to $12 range for limit and stop orders. There are lots of brokers out there in the Internet community that charge less than $15 per trade. Robert Gammon Houston, TX On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:27:44 -0700 (PDT), Tomas wrote: >Hi All, > >I just noticed that TDwaterhouse (my brokerage) jacked >up the trade fee from $12 to $17.95. So, just >curious, what do you guys pay for your commission fee >(what brokerage). I know that you get what you pay >for, but using CS I do not use any of the brokerage >services (research,...). I have all the tools I need >already. I am only interested in good execution and >low fees from a brokerage. Or maybe I am missing out >on some of the services that the brokerage is >providing. > >inputs? > >Thanks, >tomas > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Robert Gammon Houston, TX - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tomas Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee Robert, Do you know if there is a CS group in Houston? I'm in Houston too. tomas - --- Robert Gammon wrote: > Brown&Co and Ameritrade both have reasonable > commissions in the > $10 to $12 range for limit and stop orders. There > are lots of > brokers out there in the Internet community that > charge less than > $15 per trade. > > Robert Gammon > Houston, TX > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:27:44 -0700 (PDT), Tomas > wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >I just noticed that TDwaterhouse (my brokerage) > jacked > >up the trade fee from $12 to $17.95. So, just > >curious, what do you guys pay for your commission > fee > >(what brokerage). I know that you get what you pay > >for, but using CS I do not use any of the brokerage > >services (research,...). I have all the tools I > need > >already. I am only interested in good execution > and > >low fees from a brokerage. Or maybe I am missing > out > >on some of the services that the brokerage is > >providing. > > > >inputs? > > > >Thanks, > >tomas > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > >http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > >- > >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your > email. > > Robert Gammon > Houston, TX > > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email > "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:39:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Deiter Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee Tomas, I currently use E-Trade, but am looking to switch. SmartMoney magazine in it's August issue reviews the Basic Discount Brokers and Premium Discount Brokers. For the Basic Discount category, E-Trade is stated as having "the highest fees of the bunch". Market trade commissions at E-Trade run $19.99 plus a $3 fee, total of $22.99. TD Waterhouse was ranked #1 in the Basic Discount category, even with the $17.95 market trade commission. The article commented on Firsttrade (www.firstrade.com) as "cheap trades and great execution, but that's about it". The listed commission for a market trade was $6.95. Marc - --- Tomas wrote: > Hi All, > > I just noticed that TDwaterhouse (my brokerage) jacked > up the trade fee from $12 to $17.95. So, just > curious, what do you guys pay for your commission fee > (what brokerage). I know that you get what you pay > for, but using CS I do not use any of the brokerage > services (research,...). I have all the tools I need > already. I am only interested in good execution and > low fees from a brokerage. Or maybe I am missing out > on some of the services that the brokerage is > providing. > > inputs? > > Thanks, > tomas > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > - > -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" > -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or > -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:39:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "Robert Gammon" Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee Yes, there is one. Meets in one of the Galleria area hotels twice per month. A meal is generally included, so the meetings are not free. Robert Gammon Houston, TX On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:35:33 -0700 (PDT), Tomas wrote: >Robert, > >Do you know if there is a CS group in Houston? >I'm in Houston too. > >tomas > >--- Robert Gammon wrote: >> Brown&Co and Ameritrade both have reasonable >> commissions in the >> $10 to $12 range for limit and stop orders. There >> are lots of >> brokers out there in the Internet community that >> charge less than >> $15 per trade. >> >> Robert Gammon >> Houston, TX >> >> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:27:44 -0700 (PDT), Tomas >> wrote: >> >> >Hi All, >> > >> >I just noticed that TDwaterhouse (my brokerage) >> jacked >> >up the trade fee from $12 to $17.95. So, just >> >curious, what do you guys pay for your commission >> fee >> >(what brokerage). I know that you get what you pay >> >for, but using CS I do not use any of the brokerage >> >services (research,...). I have all the tools I >> need >> >already. I am only interested in good execution >> and >> >low fees from a brokerage. Or maybe I am missing >> out >> >on some of the services that the brokerage is >> >providing. >> > >> >inputs? >> > >> >Thanks, >> >tomas >> > >> >__________________________________ >> >Do you Yahoo!? >> >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >> >http://sbc.yahoo.com >> > >> >- >> >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >> email. >> >> Robert Gammon >> Houston, TX >> >> >> - >> -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email >> "majordomo@xmission.com" >> -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >> -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your >email. > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > >- >-To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" >-In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or >-"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. Robert Gammon Houston, TX - - - -To subscribe/unsubscribe, email "majordomo@xmission.com" - -In the email body, write "subscribe canslim" or - -"unsubscribe canslim". Do not use quotes in your email. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:42:11 EDT From: RWElmer@aol.com Subject: Re: [CANSLIM] Trade Fee - --part1_1f0.d3928f5.2c4596f3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tomas, I use Firstrade. $6.95 for market orders. Few frills, but I don't need them. I trade small enough amounts, as I build up my portfolio, that those commissions make a big difference. Have been happy with the service and have been there a couple of years. FWIW. Robert W. Elmer Coldwell Banker First Shasta 2837 Bechelli Ln. Redding, CA 96002 RWElmer@aol.com 221-9556 or 1-800-348-7939 ext.156 www.robertelmer.com - --part1_1f0.d3928f5.2c4596f3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tomas,

I use Firstrade. $6.95 for market orders. Few frills, but I don't need them.= I trade small enough amounts, as I build up my portfolio, that those commis= sions make a big difference. Have been happy with the service and have been=20= there a couple of years. FWIW.

Robert W. Elmer
Coldwell Banker First Shasta
2837 Bechelli Ln.
Redding, CA 96002
RWElmer@aol.com
221-9556 or 1-800-348-793= 9 ext.156
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