From: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com (dr-digest) To: dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: dr-digest V1 #7 Reply-To: dr-digest Sender: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk dr-digest Sunday, January 16 2000 Volume 01 : Number 007 Re: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 Re: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 Re: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 Re: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 (dr) List notes... RE: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 Re: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 (dr) Which one? Re: (dr) List notes... Re: (dr) Which one? (dr) Improvements to the DR650SE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:08:41 -0600 From: "Dean C. Olson" Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 Seems to be working. Kurt Simpson wrote: > Hi listers, I'm wanting to test that all is well with the new list. If > you receive > this will you simply reply to me and to the list just once? Lets make > sure everything > is working... > > Kurt > > - > to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:24:13 -0600 From: "Jan Bradley" Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 Reply, Reply.... JB >>> "Kurt Simpson" 01/15/00 08:27PM >>> Hi listers, I'm wanting to test that all is well with the new list. If you receive this will you simply reply to me and to the list just once? Lets make sure everything is working... Kurt - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 20:29:41 -0500 From: "dirt rider" Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 Received - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kurt Simpson To: Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:27 PM Subject: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 > Hi listers, I'm wanting to test that all is well with the new list. If you receive > this will you simply reply to me and to the list just once? Lets make sure everything > is working... > > Kurt > > > - > to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:04:26 EST From: RABONER@aol.com Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 got it. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:21:16 -0700 From: "Kurt Simpson" Subject: (dr) List notes... Thanks for people's responses...we have over 200 people on the DR list and while we haven't heard from all I'm reasonably certain that the list is working. To the original DR350 subscribers: It is very important to me that the new list format work for you. The new list is not a DR650 list. The "flurry" of recent messages about the 650 are only because for 650 owners this is a "new" list that has never existed before. In addition, for 650 owners, we're going to have to work hard to create aftermarket interest in a bike that essentially was redesigned only 4 years ago. In addition, your list administrator just bought one to join his DR350SE and so is busy finding ways of spending hard earned money. Thanks, Kurt Simpson - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:43:12 -0800 From: "Jesse Kientz www.kientech.com" Subject: RE: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 HI Kurt, receiving ok Jesse - -----Original Message----- From: owner-dr@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-dr@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Kurt Simpson Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 6:28 PM To: dr@lists.xmission.com Subject: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 Hi listers, I'm wanting to test that all is well with the new list. If you receive this will you simply reply to me and to the list just once? Lets make sure everything is working... Kurt - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:16:00 -0700 From: njkouba Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:26:21 -0700 Hi Kurt, Its working fine here. Just one question, will the dr350 archive files still be available at the old archives address? Surely appreciate all your time and efforts in setting up and maintaining this quality list. Thanks Norm Suzuki DR Suspensions Kurt Simpson wrote: > Hi listers, I'm wanting to test that all is well with the new list. If you receive > this will you simply reply to me and to the list just once? Lets make sure everything > is working... > > Kurt > > - > to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:22:10 EST From: Balloumike@cs.com Subject: (dr) Which one? I am going to buy a 2000 dr400 to use as a dualsport bike. My question is Which one should I buy, the dr400E or the dr400S. I know this sounds like a stupid question the "S" is already a dualsport, so get that one. The problem is it weights 29# more that the E. Even with the a Baja designs dualsport kit the E would only gain 3-5#. The differences between the bikes are: DR400E DR400S compression: 12.2:1 11.3:1 Carb. Keihin FCR39 Mikuni BSR36 CV Exhaust off road only Smaller and heavier Fork Long travel, 49mm cartridge-style forks Long travel, 49mm non-cartridge-style forks, softer spring Shock compression and rebound adjustable compression adjustable, softer spring wheels butted spokes alloy nipples straight gauge spokes steel nipples engine guards yes no full instruments no yes tool bag no yes Cooling fan NO yes My question is will it be easier to make the DR400S lighter and ready to go off road or to get the DR400E ready to use as a dual sport. I will use the bike on the road about 50% of the time. The best of all worlds would be to get the wiring and switch gear kit of the DR400S from suzuki, but I don't think they would sell it and if they did it would cost a a lot. What do you guys think? thanks Mike - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:49:56 -0700 From: "Tom Warr" Subject: Re: (dr) List notes... >In addition, your list administrator just bought a DR650 to join his DR350SE . . . . Well, that explains it! Congrats on the new bike, Kurt. If you manage to modify it for long distance (big tanks, fairing, whatever), please let us know. I have a friend who would be very interested in ways to make the bike more long distance worthy. It is already a good off road bike. TW - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:59:43 -0700 From: "Tom Warr" Subject: Re: (dr) Which one? It is frustrating Suzuki won't make the on road bike as performance oriented as the off road version. The original DR and DRS 350's were pretty close to being identicle. With regards to those earlier DR's, the dual sport (S) model always had a better resale value. Being street legal (in 50 states) is of some value, as is having a speedo and tach. Also, the street version is likely to have a better alternator to run lights, and electric vests. Of course I am biased, but how about buying an older DRS350 and upgrading the engine, suspension, etc. You may be able to do that cheaper than buying a new one, and still have a very fast bike. TW - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:46:52 -0800 From: "Bill Zucker" Subject: (dr) Improvements to the DR650SE This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01BF601F.C369B280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guys, About time there is a forum for 650 owners! Demographically, I'm sure = we're different from other bike owners, and have different interests. = The 650 sits so uniquely in the middle of the street/offroad split, so = there are probably lots of ways to go with it to better suit your = particular style of riding. I'm probably 80% offroad, 20% street (so I can get to the offroad site = and maybe the mini-mart). Here's what I've done with my 1999 DR650SE: 1. One less tooth on the front sprocket. Surprising lack of available = larger rear sprockets in steel. Much better for climbing now especially = considering the 5 speed rather than 6 speed gearbox. Smaller sprocket = ($30) meant grinding retaining plate a little bit to make fit. Less = chain slap, lugging. Still plenty of upper end left. 2. Roller-bearing chain roller, rather than cheap bushing. Same as on = DR350, after-market costs under $15. Quieter. Thumper nature of 650 = makes the chain slap pretty annoying otherwise. 3. More dirt-worthy tires. Am trying IRC Trail. More aggressive than = stock, but a fairly continuous center bead for street use. Would feel = bad chewing up MT21's on the street. 4. GPS mounting. If you offroad in wilderness areas, you could probably = use a GPS receiver. Mounting bracket is aluminum "L" bracket with soft = foam padding and Velcro strap (pet collar). Mounting transmits much less = vibration than the $90 bracket you might otherwise buy. Using Garmin GPS = II Plus, great size and function for offroad use. Ran 12v from battery = to cigarette lighter socket with built-in flap, near handlebars. 5. Cheap Casio wristwatch wrapped around vinyl bundle under cowl. No = more problems with sun, shock, or water like with cheap stick-ons. Easy = to see because out of direct sunlight. 6. Auto compass mounted on handlebars. Lots of times it's good to know = basic direction of travel. Less of a need if using GPS, but GPS can't = tell direction if standing still. 7. Rear brake control mounted as second lever above clutch. I know it's = a cop-out, but plain fact is it's saved my ass several times when = descending steep terrain with small pebbles on hard-packed rutted dirt. = Allows continuous braking force even during evasive maneuvers. Here's what I'd like to do: 1. Find strap-on gel seat for two riders. Amazing how much choice is out = there, but haven't found anything like a general purpose two-person = strap-on for "banana" seats. Existing seat's not too bad, but can be = tiring after a couple hours of hard riding. 2. Get explicit details on how to achieve better performance without = side effects, probably through enlarging the air intake along with other = carburetor changes. Don't want to sacrifice low end torque. 3. Yes, there are much noisier bikes, but the biggest enemy of gaining = access to offroading territory in places like San Diego is noise. No = one, not even you, wants to listen to exhaust noise all the time. If = there was a way to silence the 650, I'd do it in a flash, even if it = meant a loss of a few horsepower. 4. Permanently mount a small 12v air pump with built in pressure gauge = to allow quick and easy pump up for street riding after the low-pressure = offroad ride. Any thoughts? Bill - ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01BF601F.C369B280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guys,
 
About time there is a forum for 650 owners! = Demographically,=20 I'm sure we're different from other bike owners, and have different = interests.=20 The 650 sits so uniquely in the middle of the street/offroad split, so = there are=20 probably lots of ways to go with it to better suit your particular style = of=20 riding.
 
I'm probably 80% offroad, 20% street (so I can get = to the=20 offroad site and maybe the mini-mart). Here's what I've done with my = 1999=20 DR650SE:
 
1. One less tooth on the front sprocket. Surprising = lack of=20 available larger rear sprockets in steel. Much better for climbing now=20 especially considering the 5 speed rather than 6 speed gearbox. Smaller = sprocket=20 ($30) meant grinding retaining plate a little bit to make fit. Less = chain slap,=20 lugging. Still plenty of upper end left.
2. Roller-bearing chain roller, rather than cheap = bushing.=20 Same as on DR350, after-market costs under $15. Quieter. Thumper nature = of 650=20 makes the chain slap pretty annoying otherwise.
3. More dirt-worthy tires. Am trying IRC Trail. More = aggressive than stock, but a fairly continuous center bead for street = use. Would=20 feel bad chewing up MT21's on the street.
4. GPS mounting. If you offroad in wilderness areas, = you could=20 probably use a GPS receiver. Mounting bracket is aluminum "L" bracket=20 with soft foam padding and Velcro strap (pet collar). Mounting = transmits=20 much less vibration than the $90 bracket you might otherwise buy. Using = Garmin=20 GPS II Plus, great size and function for offroad use. Ran 12v from = battery to=20 cigarette lighter socket with built-in flap, near = handlebars.
5. Cheap Casio wristwatch wrapped around vinyl = bundle under=20 cowl. No more problems with sun, shock, or water like with cheap = stick-ons. Easy=20 to see because out of direct = sunlight.
6. Auto compass mounted on handlebars. Lots of times = it's good=20 to know basic direction of travel. Less of a need if using GPS, but GPS = can't=20 tell direction if standing still.
7. Rear brake control mounted as second lever above = clutch. I=20 know it's a cop-out, but plain fact is it's saved my ass several times = when=20 descending steep terrain with small pebbles on hard-packed rutted dirt. = Allows=20 continuous braking force even during evasive maneuvers.
 
Here's what I'd like to do:
 
1. Find strap-on gel seat for two riders. Amazing = how much=20 choice is out there, but haven't found anything like a general purpose=20 two-person strap-on for "banana" seats. Existing seat's not too bad, but = can be=20 tiring after a couple hours of hard riding.
2. Get explicit details on how to achieve better = performance=20 without side effects, probably through enlarging the air intake along = with other=20 carburetor changes. Don't want to sacrifice low end torque.
3. Yes, there are much noisier bikes, but the = biggest enemy of=20 gaining access to offroading territory in places like San Diego is = noise. No=20 one, not even you, wants to listen to exhaust noise all the time. If = there was a=20 way to silence the 650, I'd do it in a flash, even if it meant a loss of = a few=20 horsepower.
4. Permanently mount a small 12v air pump with built = in=20 pressure gauge to allow quick and easy pump up for street riding after = the=20 low-pressure offroad ride.
 
Any thoughts?
 
Bill
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