From: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com (dr-digest) To: dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: dr-digest V1 #119 Reply-To: dr-digest Sender: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk dr-digest Wednesday, April 26 2000 Volume 01 : Number 119 (dr) Mitsubishi Motors Sponsors Colorado National Forest Restoration (dr) Gears (dr) Jeff Henshaw.. exhaust (dr) Jetting.. RE: (dr) Jetting.. Re: (dr) Why does Suzuki make the stock airbox like that? Re: (dr) Why does Suzuki make the stock airbox like that? Re: (dr) Why does Suzuki make the stock airbox like that? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 01:55:36 -0400 From: al.roof.for.nc.trails@juno.com Subject: (dr) Mitsubishi Motors Sponsors Colorado National Forest Restoration Mitsubishi Motors Sponsors Colorado National Forest Restoration Auto Company Helps the Environment as a Tread Lightly! Partner In Education, Recreation and Restoration CYPRESS, Calif., April 24 /PRNewswire/ -- With its deep commitment to support environmental issues, Mitsubishi Motor Sales of America, Inc. (MMSA) breathes new life into a damaged Colorado National Forest recreational site. MMSA will partner with Tread Lightly!, a not-for-profit educational organization dedicated to promoting responsible outdoor recreation and protecting the great outdoors. MMSA is an official sponsor of Tread Lightly!'s "Restoration for Recreation" program. This program helps ensure that damaged lands become enjoyable recreation havens. It accomplishes this through land rehabilitation and public education on outdoor ethics to minimize future impacts. The Colorado project, the first in a planned series of national restoration projects sponsored by MMSA, consists of the construction of a new bridge, several stream crossings and restoration of nearby trails. The project, scheduled to begin this summer, is located in the Stillwater Pass area of the Sulphur Ranger District in Grand County, Colorado. The Colorado State Parks Trails Program has also provided a grant for this project. A ribbon-cutting ceremony to celebrate the project's completion is tentatively scheduled for Sept. 23, 2000, to coincide with "National Public Lands Day." "We care about the environment and we're very proud to support this critical restoration project, especially at a time when government budgets have been cut by as much as 80 percent," said Ellen Gleberman, MMSA senior vice president, legal, government relations and public affairs. "The program not only protects and preserves our land for future responsible use, but it also creates valuable partnerships with government agencies, private corporations and the public. It's a win-win situation for everyone involved," she added. The bridge will feature a natural, "cobblestone" look and will be built from recycled stone and steel materials. Another environmental benefit comes into play during construction -- the bridge will be built in pieces that are easily transported to the project site for assembly. These pieces won't require the use of heavy construction equipment, thereby eliminating the associated environmental impacts. The bridge will be installed on the Grand Lake Multiple-Use Trail System, one of the states' most heavily used trail systems. The trails provide recreational opportunities for riders of motorcycles, ATVs, snowmobiles and four-wheel drive vehicles as well as skiers, snowshoers, horseback riders, mountain bikers, backpackers and hikers. With the increase in popularity as well as its multi-use nature, the trail system is showing the impact of heavy use. Loss of vegetation coupled with stream bank erosion has caused excess sediment to be deposited into the stream at the current crossings. This in turn reduces water quality and presents hazards to the public and the wildlife, especially the cutthroat trout, a fish recognized by Colorado as a "sensitive" species. Installing a new bridge and water crossings will dramatically reduce the amount of sediment being deposited, allowing more eco-friendly use of this recreational area. Mitsubishi Motor Sales of America, Inc. was established in 1982 by Mitsubishi Motors Corporation, Tokyo, and markets a full line of vehicles, including coupes, convertibles, sedans and sport utility vehicles. The website address is www.mitsubishicars.com. Tread Lightly!'s website address is www.treadlightly.org. SOURCE Mitsubishi Motor Sales of America, Inc. CO: Mitsubishi Motor Sales of America, Inc.; Colorado National Forest; Tread Lightly!; Colorado State Parks Trails Program ST: California, Colorado ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:18:45 -0400 From: "William C. Mitchell" Subject: (dr) Gears First, thanks for the replies to my gearing question. It looks like 15-41 is the stock gearing for my 98-DR350SE. I bought a 14 tooth front sprocket that I'll be trying out soon, and I'll probably get a 13 later. My owners manual must be for an earlier model than what I have, since it claims the stock gearing is 15-43. The listed transmission gears must be off too. When I calculate what my RPMs should be in top gear, I'm about 400 higher by my tach. My manual says 6th gear is 0.826, does anyone have a newer manual than Sept. 97. I would appreciate the correct 1-6 transmission gear info. Bill Mitchell - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:41:11 EDT From: Comobu@aol.com Subject: (dr) Jeff Henshaw.. exhaust Jeff if you're still out there...do you still have the Cobra? Guy - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:43:28 EDT From: Comobu@aol.com Subject: (dr) Jetting.. Again I missed the jetting post on a certain mod.. something about the pilot jet getting reamed out.. also is it the spring and a different needle jet from Thumper?? These are questions for the DR-S CV carb... Thanks Guy - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:57:32 -0700 From: "Jesse Kientz www.kientech.com" Subject: RE: (dr) Jetting.. Hi Guy, the jx needle and spring is an aftermarket unit that works well with the CV carbs it has five grooves for changing the mid range fuel mixture. Thumper Racing handles them. As for the pilot jet thing I suggest that you adjust the fuel screw until you get the highest rpms then readjust the idle speed to normal with the throttle stop screw if this does not give satisfactory results like shorter warm up times and you are at over 2 turns out on the fuel screw then you can drill out the pilot with a # 78 drill bit this will give you a richer pilot circuit but not as rich as a #40 pilot. The fuel screw is located under the carb in front of the bowl if it has not been messed with before, it will have a brass plug over it with a tiny hole in the middle with a flash light you can see the screw slot below the brass plug. the brass plug must be drilled carefully so as not to go through and hit the fuel screw . Hope this clears things up. Regards, Jesse Kientz http://www.kientech.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-dr@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-dr@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Comobu@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:43 AM To: dr@lists.xmission.com Subject: (dr) Jetting.. Again I missed the jetting post on a certain mod.. something about the pilot jet getting reamed out.. also is it the spring and a different needle jet from Thumper?? These are questions for the DR-S CV carb... Thanks Guy - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:24:58 -0700 From: "Jeff A. Henshaw" Subject: Re: (dr) Why does Suzuki make the stock airbox like that? Well yeah, ya know it seems to me that the stock airbox has three screws on a cover on the left side. Do some people think that is a watertight seal? Another thing is, that the carburetor would be completely submerged by the time you get the airbox wet. So there would be a lot of places water might come in besides the box. Isn't there any breathers on the carb? How about all the connections on the snorkel, gas lines, etc., they would all be tested for leaks in that case. You could just as easily tape up the side of a Vortex where the filter is changed as you can tape the sides of your stock one, ( or use silicon sealant, whatever ) and the only opening left is on top, just like the stock one....... So it really is ludicrous to imply that a Vortex will chug-a-lug water like a thirsty hippopatumus, and the stock one makes your DR into a virtual submarine, capable of depths up to 200 feet..... Water is a non-issue when comparing the two. Power, however is an issue :) I noticed that the guy at DR350.com says that "in my opinion, the Vortex is not worth the price" and he says it costs 300 dollars, which is not true, it costs 279. All you need do is compare your jet size on a DR with the Vortex to the Jet size he says he is running, and you will see that he is wrong. My jet is a 155 and he is running a 145. Maybe not a fair comparison because my carb is 35mm and his is 34mm. If I had the stock airbox on my bike, or NO air box, it would have less power than it does with a tuned airbox on it. There is no other way to gain 4-7 HP for 279 dollars that I know of. That makes the Vortex well worth the price. The guy at dr350.com is just wrong. He even suggests that taking out the plastic thing on top of the stock airbox will help-- and it won't . It makes it worse. If you read the flow bench results at Jesse's website you will see that the guy is also wrong about the stock intake being capable of handling a 36mm carb. RST Racing Heads took the end plate and the filter off of the stock airbox, and it still flowed 3.8 CFM *LESS* than a *STOCK* DR350 cylinder head. With all due respect, his is not rocket science to understand -- the stock airbox is JUNK. Jeff - ----- Original Message ----- From: "njkouba" To: "Jeff A. Henshaw" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:21 AM Subject: Re: (dr) Why does Suzuki make the stock airbox like that? > Jeff, > Really good reply, sure wish I could reply to some of those rocket science > people. His degree's are probably not in the common sense field. Sure glad > he's not teaching our kids. > > Norm > > > "Jeff A. Henshaw" wrote: > > > I don't know how some of you guy's figure you're gonna get water in the > > airbox? Do you ride in water up to the bottom of the seat? And wouldn't > > the stock airbox take in water if you submerge IT up to the top? Of course > > it would... I don't get it? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jonathan Moon" > > To: "Oliver Block" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 4:34 PM > > Subject: Re: (dr) Why does Suzuki make the stock airbox like that? > > > > > I believe it is because water can easily enter the carb through the > > > airbox if one cuts holes in it or uses a vortex airbox. That's why > > > mine is going to sealed back up with tape as the original owner cut it > > > up. by the way, anyone have a stock airbox that will fit a 92 DR350S > > > that they would like to be rid of? > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > --- Oliver Block wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I apologize for this very basic question, but why did Suzuki > > > > choose that airbox design (on the DR350s) if it is so incredibly > > > > restrictive? Is there a downside to cutting the top off the airbox? > > > > Every person I know who has had their DR for a while has upgraded to > > > > the Cycle Gear or Vortec airbox, so why didn't Suzuki buy the rights > > > > to those designs a long time ago and incorporate it into the stock > > > > bike? Obviously I am totally ignorant as to how the after-market > > > > industry and bike manufacturers interact - if anyone out there has a > > > > minute to inform me I'd greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > > > As always, thanks for your time and your patience with a beginner. > > > > > > > > -Oliver > > > > `1995 DR350SE > > > > > > > > - > > > > to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > > > > with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. > > > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > > > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan L. Moon > > > >BA, MA, BS, Common sense > > > > Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology > > > University of Georgia > > > > > > Voice (706)-542-1713 > > > Fax (706)-542-3719 > > > email: jlmoon@yahoo.com > > > > > > - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john miller Subject: Re: (dr) Why does Suzuki make the stock airbox like that? Yes indeed!!If you look in the forums you will see I took this issue to task with him at great length.He states that the Vortex is not worth the money but changing the carb(from a cv)is.I ran the gammet on how the airbox will WELL outperform any carb upgrade out there.I totally agree that for the money there is NO other way to get more power to the rear wheel than a Vortex period.The problem with the stock airbox is unfixable it is the actual design of it that is it's flaw.To compare jet sizes with him is unfair is your motor stock?Sounds to me like a 435 is being fed on your end or your motors head flows like the Mississippi.I am currently running a 147.5 with a stock bore and the vortex with an FMF muffler.Pumper carb bored out to 35mm is on the way along with an FMF headerpipe so I'll try out a 150.This is an abnormaly large jet size for a stocker. > I noticed that the guy at DR350.com says that "in my > opinion, the Vortex is > not worth the price" > My jet is a 155 and he is running a 145. Maybe not > a fair comparison > because my carb is 35mm and his is 34mm. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:07:19 -0700 From: "Jeff A. Henshaw" Subject: Re: (dr) Why does Suzuki make the stock airbox like that? Thanks John, you helped me prove my point by comparing a similar engine with Vortex, and your jet is bigger. I know mine wasn't a fair comparison but it also goes to show, that if I had a stock airbox full of holes my 435 would be hog-tied, right? :) I'll have to go read the forum that should make for interesting reading to see someone defy objective facts with subjective opinion. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 6:07 PM Subject: Re: (dr) Why does Suzuki make the stock airbox like that? > Yes indeed!!If you look in the forums you will see I > took this issue to task with him at great length.He > states that the Vortex is not worth the money but > changing the carb(from a cv)is.I ran the gammet on how > the airbox will WELL outperform any carb upgrade out > there.I totally agree that for the money there is NO > other way to get more power to the rear wheel than a > Vortex period.The problem with the stock airbox is > unfixable it is the actual design of it that is it's > flaw.To compare jet sizes with him is unfair is your > motor stock?Sounds to me like a 435 is being fed on > your end or your motors head flows like the > Mississippi.I am currently running a 147.5 with a > stock bore and the vortex with an FMF muffler.Pumper > carb bored out to 35mm is on the way along with an FMF > headerpipe so I'll try out a 150.This is an abnormaly > large jet size for a stocker. > > > I noticed that the guy at DR350.com says that "in my > > opinion, the Vortex is > > not worth the price" > My jet is a 155 and he is > running a 145. Maybe not > > a fair comparison > > because my carb is 35mm and his is 34mm. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > - > to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ End of dr-digest V1 #119 ************************ - To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message. 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