From: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com (dr-digest) To: dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: dr-digest V1 #144 Reply-To: dr-digest Sender: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-dr-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk dr-digest Wednesday, May 17 2000 Volume 01 : Number 144 Re: (dr) DR650 questions (dr) cleaning air filter Re: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers Re: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers Re: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers RE: (dr) cleaning air filter Re: (dr) cleaning air filter Re: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers Re: (dr) cleaning air filter Re: (dr) cleaning air filter (dr) re: DR350 mufflers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:26:51 -0500 From: "Jan Bradley" Subject: Re: (dr) DR650 questions Ron, Talk to Jesse. jesse@rvi.net I got my IDS (Supertrapp) from him. If you want to see a picture of mine, e-mail me off list and I will send you a jpeg. JB >>> "Ron Smith" 05/16/00 08:33PM >>> I've read the posts about the ISD2 pipe (by Kerker??) for the '96 and up 650's. Dennis Kirk catalogue lists a pipe for the '96-'98 DR650SE at a price of $204. My question is, will the same pipe fit the '00 DR? Is there another source with a better price? Thanks, Ron - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:14:11 +0100 From: Iain Wilson Subject: (dr) cleaning air filter Hi, In the handbook it says to clean air filter with cleaning fluid. Which is recommended please? How much oil to put on the filter after this? Thanks, Iain - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:01:34 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers Subject: Re: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers [Chris] > > > Speaking of mufflers, does anyone have experience with the Big Gun > system? [arne] > > I do. [Mark Sampson] > And sadly----as much as I love the sound of a aftermarket exhaust on > a four stroke------you will be contributing to the demise of offroad riding. <<>> >I hate it------but it's the fact!!! Perhaps where you live and ride this is the case. I empathise. But your situation doesn't really apply to me. Where I live and choose to ride in BC, it simply hasn't been an issue. For the most part there hasn't been anyone close enough to even hear our bikes. If it were an issue I would probably have a quieter system. BTW... I'm a big guy and every bit of extra, usable power helps make the bike a better ride. I definitely noticed a difference with the switch. My bike now sounds like... well, a "bike"... as opposed to the VWesque chirp that the stock exhaust had developed. Arne - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:06:48 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers From: Wayne Marsula' Subject: Re: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers > Mark and List, > I'll second the motion. You are so right, the little extra gain is not > worth pissing off those who wish we weren't there in the first place. Wayne, I agree with you - in principle - but I could ride my bike, with my Big Gun exhaust, past a group of "others" and NOT piss them off, just as easily as I could ride a STOCK KLR past the same group and DO piss them off. It's all in your approach and attitude as you pass. Cheers, Arne - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:09:07 -0000 From: "Mark Sampson" Subject: Re: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers > > And sadly----as much as I love the sound of a aftermarket exhaust on > > a four stroke------you will be contributing to the demise of offroad > riding. > <<>> > >I hate it------but it's the fact!!! > > Perhaps where you live and ride this is the case. I empathise. But your > situation doesn't really apply to me. > > Where I live and choose to ride in BC, it simply hasn't been an issue. For > the most part there hasn't been anyone close enough to even hear our bikes. > If it were an issue I would probably have a quieter system. > > BTW... I'm a big guy and every bit of extra, usable power helps make the > bike a better ride. I definitely noticed a difference with the switch. My > bike now sounds like... well, a "bike"... as opposed to the VWesque chirp > that the stock exhaust had developed. This no bull Arne---as I was reading you e-mail (it is very early in the morning here) my whole house was rattled by a the same guy (every morning) on his Harley with straight pipes. He irritates the hell out of everybody down my road in the country every morning. But will probably never know it. He probably thinks it sounds great to all of us!!!!! One of the big bike magazines did a poll very recently, and asked random citizens what noises of the world bothered them the worse--------motorcylces was number one. So there you have it---the fact-----not an opinion. Mark Sampson didi@acworld.net 2000 Suzuki DRZ400S 1999 Yamaha TTR250 (to old to kick) 1997 BMW F650 (Little Red) 1989 Honda Transalp--the bike that almost does it all!!!!!!! All GPS equipped of course!!! - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 06:25:57 -0700 From: "Jesse Kientz www.kientech.com" Subject: RE: (dr) cleaning air filter Hi Iain, After removing the support cage I recommend a stoddard solvent first to remove the oil then let it completely dry, then use a regular dish detergent to remove the dirt and let it completely dry, then you spray or work a good foam filter oil into it once it is saturated you gently squeeze out the residual oil I take a papertowl at the last and roll it up inside the towel to get the last drips out. now you can reassemble the support cage and reinstall it. now that you see what a pain it is its a good idea to have a spare in a baggie ready to go when this needs to be done. Regards, Jesse Kientz http://www.kientech.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-dr@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-dr@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Iain Wilson Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:14 PM To: dr@lists.xmission.com Subject: (dr) cleaning air filter Hi, In the handbook it says to clean air filter with cleaning fluid. Which is recommended please? How much oil to put on the filter after this? Thanks, Iain - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:42:36 -0400 From: "Richard Fantini" Subject: Re: (dr) cleaning air filter A lot of factory teams use dawn liquid and water to clean their filters, so I've always used that. After you've washed and rinsed the filter, let it dry completely. Pour enough filter oil into a pan and completely coat the filter (you'll definitely want to use a set of vinyl or latex gloves for this, it's quite messy). After you've totally coated the filter, squeeze out as much of the filter oil as you can, and let the filter sit for a couple hours. This is important, as the filter oil has carrier that must evaporate before it's used, otherwise your bikes going to have a hard time breathing. That's it... - -Rich - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Wilson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:14 AM Subject: (dr) cleaning air filter > Hi, > > In the handbook it says to clean air filter with cleaning fluid. Which > is recommended please? How much oil to put on the filter after this? > > Thanks, > > Iain > > - > to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:01:20 -0700 From: "Arne Larsen" Subject: Re: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers From: Mark Sampson > > > And sadly----as much as I love the sound of a aftermarket exhaust on > > > a four stroke------you will be contributing to the demise of offroad > > riding. > > Perhaps where you live and ride this is the case. I empathise. But your > > situation doesn't really apply to me. > > Where I live and choose to ride in BC, it simply hasn't been an issue. > This no bull Arne---as I was reading you e-mail (it is very early in > the morning here) my whole house was rattled by a the same guy (every > morning) on his Harley with straight pipes. He irritates the hell out of > everybody down my road in the country every morning. But will probably never > know it. He probably thinks it sounds great to all of us!!!!! Sure he knows it... He just doesn't give a rat's-ass. Nice example, but you were talking "off-road" here... not "noisy Harley on your street". Apples and oranges my friend. What does a noisy Harley on your "street" have to do with me riding "off-road" on abandoned - unpopulated - back-woods logging roads - in the mountains of British Columbia? According to your "factual poll-based" theory, that noisy Harley on your street is contributing to the demise of off-road riding. Like I said in response to Wayne's post... attitude and presentation are everything. I simply love the sound of a nicely built big-block rumbling by my house on a sunny afternoon. Get's my attention - I pause what I'm doing - admire the car - etc... But if that same car were using the rural street in front of my place for time-trials, my opinion would be totally different. Same car - different attitude. Different attitude = different response from the public. Last year in Moab, I never got one single negative response from any of the cyclists I saw. I spoke to some - waved at all - and they waved back. I let them see the "person" on the bike rather than just the bike itself. I find it much the same at work. I work in a uniform and serve the public. They don't always see it this way. And more often than not, they don't see the person at all... just the uniform. My actions dictate whether this "personification of me" continues, or whether they see "me" as a person doing a job. Having said this... Where "I" ride locally, I can have any attitude I want, as there are no people around to care. If there were, I would probably not have the loud exhaust. You can choose to continue to not believe me if you like. I'm just telling you the way it is. Cheers, Arne - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:32:14 PDT From: "Benjamin Lee" Subject: Re: (dr) cleaning air filter >From: "Richard Fantini" >Pour enough filter oil into a pan and completely coat the >filter (you'll definitely want to use a set of vinyl or latex gloves for >this, it's quite messy). What I do is to put the filter in a large zip lock plastic bag and pour filter oil into the bag. Work the oil into the filter using the bag. This saves oil and is less messy. Ben Lee ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:56:20 -0400 From: "Richard Fantini" Subject: Re: (dr) cleaning air filter I tried that, but then where do you squeeze the filter out? Dunno... every time I use that method I make more of a mess, heh. - -Rich - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Lee" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 4:32 PM Subject: Re: (dr) cleaning air filter > >From: "Richard Fantini" > >Pour enough filter oil into a pan and completely coat the > >filter (you'll definitely want to use a set of vinyl or latex gloves for > >this, it's quite messy). > > What I do is to put the filter in a large zip lock plastic bag and pour > filter oil into the bag. Work the oil into the filter using the bag. This > saves oil and is less messy. > Ben Lee - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:58:24 -0600 From: "Shayne Seefeldt" Subject: (dr) re: DR350 mufflers Hello All, The loud muffler business is interesting, and I think it might be more of an issue of where you live. Like Arne I ride in areas where there is either no one around (logging roads where my bike is quieter than the logging trucks and workers) or an area full of two-strokes whining and zinging everywhere. That brings up another item; spark arrestors. Where I live they are recommended but not required (as seen by the sheer volume of two stroke bikes in off road areas), but this is obviously not the way it is in the U.S. If you do not need a spark arrestor than you have more choices for aftermarket exhaust. From what I know, the Big Gun system is the only "complete" system for a KLR (correct me if I'm wrong). If someone wants to increase the performance of their bike, and it just happens to be loud, than that is their choice. If they drive irresponsibly than they can reap the rewards that follows. If you say "That loud noisy bike makes all of us look bad" than you are using the same logic as those that will judge cyclists based on one individual. As for power gains with an aftermarket exhoust, I am no expert but "seat of the pants" with my Two Brothers Racing pipe is great. I think the performance reward is great. I am not the loudest bike off road (including two and four strokes) nor the loudest on the street, and I do not think it is as loud as Arne's Big Gun. Now, rather than asking me to never join a dual sport ride (as Wayne did earlier) or been negative about any persons exhaust we could all just be curious about how it performs or other technical items. If Arne had no complaints in Moab than it can't possibly be offensive (or is everybody scared of Canadians, must be our military). It seems that the majority of people seem to go with a SuperTrapp exhaust, perhaps people trying other systems will be good the dual sport community as a whole. More info and more choices. I know Kurt had mentioned a long time ago he was hoping to test the Two Brothers System for DSN. I hope he succeeds. Once again, if you believe that a loud mufflers is detrimental to the motorcycle community than that is your opinion. But everybody can make their own choice. I'm sure that some body might start to take offense with this post, but none is intended. If I ever meet Wayne I'll gladly go on a dual sport ride with him and slip on my stock exhaust, it's that simple. Most importantly, have fun!! Regards, Shayne. http://www.telusplanet.net/public/seefeldt/dr/index.html - - to unsubscribe to dr, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe dr" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. 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