From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 08:15:31 +0100 (CET) citerar Brian : >>I hope I can find more albums >> that will be equally interesting (and profitable!) > Is it just me or does the word 'asshole' spring to mind??? All you Ebay > traders will surely > take note of name and address and act accordingly in future! > > Brian Whats new? This is what the situation for used LPs looks like. It is still a cheap way of getting a piece of art. Look at all other antiques, be lucky you dont collect first editions or paintings from 1500. I would not have posted that though, if I were the seller, but that may be the look of some lurkers. Makes it clear something is best kept secret. No more posts on notsowellknown gems! I feel sorry for those collectors who saw their fleamarket joy turn into a buisness. But I cant keep myself away from this music anyway. I have even tried selling myself, and felt "GREED". Magnus visit http://www.bellybongo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Lps for life? Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:32:20 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > I read somewhere that LPs will function in 100 years, CDs will function > in 30 years, CDrs will function in 10 years, can someone verify this? No, but I will in about 50 years. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 08:32:20 -0500 OK...I guess I now know what kind of people are on this list. Is this typical or is this just a couple of ill-mannered individuals? I seem to have made an incorrect assumption that basic social standards such as common courtesy and respect for individuals was normal behavior. My eBay activity has been entertaining, educational and yes, here's that dirty word again, PROFITABLE! So shoot me already. I see no need to apologize for it. I assume you must be independently wealthy and have never had the need to supplement your income? Congratulations! Let me explain auctions to you...I don't establish the price, the buyers do! If you've got a problem with that then please don't participate in them. Nice, friendly group you've got here... Larry Usselman (snargle) -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 9:09 PM "Usselman, Lawrence J" wrote: > As the seller of the aforementioned "Introspection IV" I'd like to offer > my thanks to these three gentlemen for their bids. I haven't posted here > before, but I've enjoyed lurking and reading the list for several months > and I've learned a lot about this musical style. I'm primarily a > dealer/reseller on eBay, but I do enjoy listening to much of the exotica vinyl that passes > through my hands and have become somewhat of a fan. > Thanks again for the enthusiastic bidding. I hope I can find more albums > that will be equally interesting (and profitable!) Is it just me or does the word 'asshole' spring to mind??? All you Ebay traders will surely take note of name and address and act accordingly in future! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!? Date: 01 Mar 2001 09:00:09 -0500 > From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) > Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:07:08 -0600 > To: exotica@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!? > > > I feel so damn lucky. Went for some BBQ at a nearby small town, detoured > for record hunting at the local antiquaries and there it was: White > Goddess, Frank Hunter's uber-exotica LP on Kapp. WG has come up here from > time to time, usually when we talk about Holy Grails, overlooked exotica > classics, or ondiolines and bazimbas. Now I get why--sublimely sexy and > downy as a cloud. > > Am mystified though: I thought Kapp was a budget label, albeit not as low > rent as Modern, Somerset, Tops, etc. Kapp brings to mind marching bands > slogging through covers of show tunes. Am I wrong here? How did an LP this > fabu end up on this label? Was WG a re-release from an exotica powerhouse > such as Liberty? Or was it a divine exception in Kapp's catalog? Are > there other worthies on Kapp? > > Now the killah. Guess what I paid: $1. The vinyl is, hmm, how about > "well-played"? Still...good stuff is out there and sometimes cheap if you > just keep looking. > > Mimi afloat in a mist of Gorongoza > This is one of the reasons I'm on this list--it gives me hope. I've wanted White Goddess ever since I heard a track from it on King Kini's site several years ago (Kini's got to take the "Temporarily Out of Order" signs off of his playlist page--they're never comin' back up). Thanks go out to Darrell for playing a track from it on last week's show. I never thought of Kapp as being a budget label. I don't collect them, by any means, but as far as I know all of Roger Williams albums were on Kapp, and Kapp had a fairly nice "high-end" series (Gold Medallion) with the requisite brass and percussion complement. There's a swinging album by Al Caiola et al on that label (if I'm not mistaken, a smidgen of doubt creeps in as I write) called "My Fair Lady on Fire" with spiced-up versions of the musical's numbers. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 06:18:26 -0800 (PST) What? We are all complicit in the hiked up prices we gripe about and pay. What's the big deal about the guy turning a profit on us compulsively competitive bidders? Or thanking us for the fact? Was there some evil or aristocratic condescension in his reply that I missed? His note read as basically friendly if not, to use another name caller's term, "passionate" introduction. Maybe it's just me, but that's ok. --- Colleen Pyles wrote: > Brian wrote: > >!) > Is it just me or does the word 'asshole' spring to > mind??? > Actually Brian, I thought "pretentious fop", but > "asshole" works also. > Colleen ===== "Grunt Big for Daddy." - Thomas Paine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jonathan richardson" Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!? Date: 01 Mar 2001 06:35:59 -0800 >Are >there other worthies on Kapp? YESS!! Both of my Silver Apples records are on Kapp. They werent a budget label in my opinion. My Frank Hunter-White Goddess plays and sounds as great as the day it was made, congrats on that score!! it is indeed in the Top 10 in my exotica collection. -jonny _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Japanese 6Ts Group Sounds Date: 01 Mar 2001 06:43:47 -0800 (PST) Right you are, sir. I sheepishly concur. I think I just regurgitated some of that canned sensibility they used to feed us in school. I'm curious about Cambodia Rocks also.... I enjoy reading their product description... reminds me of the conversations my jr high pals from Hell's Kitchen and I used to have. And, as you might guess, Norton is the only catalog I can't be without. --- Giovanni Berti wrote: > > Tasteless? Ben, their title is 80% the reason why I > love to spend my > money on them! > They are: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:03:40 EST I have no problem with capitalism per se...let the buyer beware and all that happy horseshit, but the lurking to do your "demographic research" is sneaky and underhanded. . So, its "fuck you asshole" (that's to ljusselm). And I did it in the open you sneaky fuck!.....AND you don't know jack about this list other than the fact that you can pick a few dollars off it...JB/had to draw a line on that one # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 07:11:31 -0800 <> You don't need to go back that far. How about tv and movie tie-in Corgi Toys, GI Joes, Nutty Mads or any of the other toys most of us played with from the 60's? Or baseball cards and comic books? Records prices are a bargin! we flew in from NYC last night, so, bleary eyed, I skimmed over some exotica postings before night night. This one caught my eye. :( This morning I re-read Mr. Usselman's post and see nothing in it at all that deserves being called an asshole. He's right, it's the buyers that set the prices on ebay. This idea that sellers are "jacking up the prices" is baloney, that's not the way it works. Sure, there are some that set minimums high, or use reserves, but 90% of the sellers kick it off under ten bucks and let the buyers decide. We always seem to forget about all the large number of records that never receive a bid or are sold to a single bidder. Like the near mint Mike Simpson "Jungle Odyssey" I got for three bucks. :) I'm with U, Mr. U. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!? Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:05:06 EST In a message dated Thu, 1 Mar 2001 9:36:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, "jonathan richardson" writes: >Are >there other worthies on Kapp? Ruby & The Romantics...Our Day Will Come LP # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) more internet fun Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:05:54 -0500 An ominous item for users of Napster or other file-sharing systems: http://www.siliconvalley.com/docs/news/svfront/copy022801.htm --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!? Date: 01 Mar 2001 16:13:36 +0100 (CET) > >Are > >there other worthies on Kapp? Eartha Kitt M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:16:47 -0500 "pick a few dollars off it"? OK, care to explain how reading a list for over a month, listening to (and enjoying) a lot of music that's mentioned here on the list, and posting some items for sale in a public marketplace is equivalent to that? I didn't advertise items for sale on this list and I didn't solicit bids on my auctions. I posted my original note to thank the list members for their interest...just that and nothing more. "sneaky fuck"? Anyone who reads the list without posting is a "sneaky fuck"? Some very stranger perceptions here... I'm not going to lower myself and get into a name-calling flame war here. I'll continue lurking and learning and leave you folks to your little exclusive group. Have fun. Larry -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 10:04 AM exotica@lists.xmission.com I have no problem with capitalism per se...let the buyer beware and all that happy horseshit, but the lurking to do your "demographic research" is sneaky and underhanded. . So, its "fuck you asshole" (that's to ljusselm). And I did it in the open you sneaky fuck!.....AND you don't know jack about this list other than the fact that you can pick a few dollars off it...JB/had to draw a line on that one # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!? Date: 01 Mar 2001 09:41:02 -0600 Thanks for the good wishes, Magnus and Jonny. Jonny or anyone else, please hold forth about Silver Apples. The title, which I recognize from previous discussions here, brings to mind Greek mythology. Is SA classic exotica? And does anyone know if Kapp records sold at average or budget prices...or did pricing vary by disk? Thanks for info, all. Will respond once I get the digest. Mimi Jonny wrote: >YESS!! Both of my Silver Apples records are on Kapp. They werent a budget >label in my opinion. My Frank Hunter-White Goddess plays and sounds as grea= t >as the day it was made, congrats on that score!! it is indeed in the Top 10 >in my exotica collection. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Blahut, Jr." Subject: (exotica) electa woman and dyna girl Date: 01 Mar 2001 09:20:37 -0600 In related news, The WB has greenlit a remake of the '70s Saturday morning classic "Electra Woman and Dyna Girl." While the old ABC version was about two magazine reporters, the new version will feature a young college student going to Las Vegas, where she finds Electra Woman and soon becomes her Dyna Girl. does anyone know who played the part of dyna girl? she is a movie actress now. someone like barbara hershey - - i saw her on either letterman or conan o'brian, she was introduced, and before she came out they showed a clip of the old t.v. show, then, when she came out, she stripped off the dress she was wearing, revealing her dyna girl outfit. it made me laugh anyway robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:21:29 -0500 > From: "Magnus Sandberg" > > Makes it clear something is best > kept secret. No more posts on notsowellknown gems! I feel sorry for > those collectors who saw their fleamarket joy turn into a buisness. But > I cant keep myself away from this music anyway. I'm one of those collectors who laments the fact that my joy has turned into a business, and so I admit that I winced somewhat when I got Larry Usselman's post, but I agree even more strongly with Ben Waugh's letter. I don't like what e-bay has done to my hobby, and most of the time I can only look longingly. Maybe Larry shouldn't have sounded so predatory about his methods, but I can't blame him. When I see albums I own going for high prices I feel the pull--maybe I should sell it? (I won't do it, but it wouldn't be wrong if I did.) After all, Larry made something available to people who wanted it and were willing to pay for it--he won and they won. I keep the faith that eventually all the people who really want Esquivel on vinyl will buy it, and the prices will begin to go down. I know that the supply is finite, but so is the demand. Call me a utopian but don't dash my hopes yet. Until then, I would hate to see us stop posting about notsowellknown gems--predators or not. Who knows, we may get to the copies before they do, and then we can sit back and watch the prices go up on e-bay and be satisfied that we have something worth that much. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!? Date: 01 Mar 2001 09:46:55 -0600 At 10:05 AM 3/1/01, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: >>there other worthies on Kapp? > >Ruby & The Romantics...Our Day Will Come LP Our Day...such a sweet tune. Is the LP mellow throughout with lots of soothing Latin beats? I've always thought of Ruby & the Romantics as one-hit wonders. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. Thanks for the info, Jimmy. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) electa woman and dyna girl Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:30:11 -0500 robertb@asapnet.net wrote: > does anyone know who played the part of dyna girl? she is a movie actress now. "Electra Woman and Dyna Girl" (1976) [TV-Series] Deidre Hall .... Lori/Electra Woman Judy Strangis .... Judy/Dynagirl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 07:30:07 -0800 (PST) "If BJ did not exist, it would be necessary to create him (her/it)." oh record collectors, oh humanity. jaysus h. --- DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: ...sneaky > and underhanded. . So, its "fuck you asshole" > (that's to ljusselm). And I did it in the open you > sneaky fuck!.....AND you don't know jack about this > list other than the fact that you can pick a few > dollars off it... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 16:39:16 +0100 (CET) citerar Clayton Black : >Until then, I would hate to see us stop posting about > notsowellknown gems--predators or not. Who knows, we may get to the Off course yoe are right, I write things quickly and send it away, maybe I should learn to think twice. The reason I joined this list was knowledge, the new guy, dont remember your name, but welcome to the list! I am sure when all this hubbub has settled you can join in once and a while, that is if you wish... Maybe you know some strange vinyl to talk about. Naturally we shall discuss secret gems as well. Maybe that is a way of getting them into the market too. Yes, I have thought it over! Yes, twice. Send it! OK! Send! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 08:14:55 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Usselman, Lawrence > J > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 7:17 AM > I'm not going to lower myself and get into a name-calling flame war here. > I'll continue lurking and learning and leave you folks to your little > exclusive group. Have fun. Quite frankly, I'm a little surprised at all the vitriol being hurled around. Seems to me that Lawrence merely politely introduced himself, and came to the list for the purposes of learning more about the genre (which I'm sure many of us did), and enjoying the music. Nothing wrong with that. And aside from reserve prices, it's always the *buyer* who sets the prices on eBay. Welcome to the list, Lawrence. Note: I can see how one can use the word "asshole" in a friendly context, but not with strangers. And I would normally phrase it like this (see below): Asshole. =) Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Ebay evils(?) Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:21:07 -0500 I'll have to side with Ben on this one - I DON'T think this guy's comments = were done with a smirk - jeez, lighten up guys.=20 And he does have a point - it's an AUCTION so if you think it's too much = to pay then don't bid! - Nate (who passed up 100's of cool things on "that site" based on a = personal "price conscience") # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:19:00 -0500 Hey, ain't nothing wrong with assholes...we'd all be full of shit without one! =) Larry -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 11:15 AM Note: I can see how one can use the word "asshole" in a friendly context, but not with strangers. And I would normally phrase it like this (see below): Asshole. =) Later, Ben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:39:08 EST "sneaky fuck"? Anyone who reads the list without posting is a "sneaky fuck"? Nope...But someone who cashes in and doesn't even participate is a real Middleman...a time-honored capitalist position which really means making money by getting in between the product and the consumer, by "being there"..."sneaky fuck" was a kneejerk reaction to your way of doing things...too strong perhaps, sorry to chose that description in hindsight Some very stranger perceptions here... So don't read it...of course if you're just after money then perceptions don't really matter do they? And if its just money you're after do you have the right to comment on perceptions while you cash in? Isn't that like mocking a store customer? I'm not going to lower myself and get into a name-calling flame war here. I'll continue lurking and learning and leave you folks to your little exclusive group You can't really do both, at least not very well...I guess that's my point. Either join in or lurk. Something about lurking and looking for stuff to sell us after reading all the posts stinks to me. OK, maybe "sneaky fuck" was heavy-handed, but it still smells like a rat to me. If that's a strange perception, so be it. I'm too far along in life to worry about it...JB/don't use E-Bay anyway # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!? Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:41:52 EST In a message dated Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:24:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) writes: << At 10:05 AM 3/1/01, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: >>there other worthies on Kapp? > >Ruby & The Romantics...Our Day Will Come LP Our Day...such a sweet tune. Is the LP mellow throughout with lots of soothing Latin beats? I've always thought of Ruby & the Romantics as one-hit wonders. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. Thanks for the info, Jimmy. Mimi She did the original "Heyb There Lonely Girl" as "Hey There Lonely Boy" back in '64 and the Charly re-release of 1985 contains all her best work...Exotic Soul with a latin tinge and a pop sensibility # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Linds" Subject: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 08:56:20 -0800 Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another segment on CBC radio here in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds or Fake Bands. Any ideas? Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he found out to be a fraud? Thanks, Brian Linds # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 12:26:28 -0500 Off the top of my head, for fake bands, there's Bobby Trafalgar and Marvin Pontiac. There's also the soundtrack to "Soul Ecstasy", which was never a movie )(and Logan's Sanctuary, too) I'm sure there are lots more. cheryl > Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another segment on CBC radio here > in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds > or Fake Bands # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOUSEOBOB@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 12:32:40 EST In a message dated 3/2/2001 12:59:12 AM, woodlind@island.net writes: << And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds or Fake Bands. >> "The Masked Marauders" was an "anonymous" supersession that was released by Reprise (no date on the album, most likely around 1969). People were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved. Whether anyone actually believed that was Jagger singing "I Can't Get No Nookie", I'm not sure. The liner notes are by "T.M.Christian". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Shiman" Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 17:53:16 >>I feel sorry for those collectors who saw their fleamarket joy turn into a >>buisness. Being someone whose psychic well-being relies perhaps a little too much on maintaining a stream of cheap vinyl into my apartment, I've often wondered, sometimes obsessively, about the influence of outside factors (i.e., ebay) on the availability of interesting records in the usual sources. And I haven't noticed that the availability of interesting thrift/flea market/dollar-bin records has diminished markedly since ebay, really. Flea market records turned into much more serious business once those stupid record price guides started coming out. Perhaps it's also that that initial, casual interest in thrift store records stirred up by the "Incredibly Strange Music" books and exotica compilations of the mid-90's has abated somewhat, compensating in some small way for the rise of ebay. That said, this idea that "everybody's a winner on ebay" is just more consumeristic bullshit. Record collecting for many of us can be obsessive, if not addictive. We NEED that record, whatever it may be. The dealer/buyer relationship (which is all there is to ebay) is inherently exploitative when it comes to the collector. Telling the high bidder that everybody's a winner on ebay is like telling the drug addict that he or she's a winner. Not that record collection is even remotely in the same category as drug addiction. But the dynamic is much the same. -Dan Hear! "Dial-ated Pupils" -- every Saturday 4-6 pm CST exclusively at www.radio1austin.com. I will lead you safely through the perilous dark jungles of Austin's scratchiest record collection. Exotic jazz. Obscure Latin, Afro, and Eastern grooves. Easy listening arcana. Bring your bug spray. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: organ and vibes Date: 28 Feb 2001 19:17:49 +0100 Shirley Scott: Latin Shadows (Arranged And Conducted By Gary Mcfarland) LP, Impulse stereo AS-93 Wonderful combination of organ & vibes, with occasional flute & strings. Three bossa nova tracks. Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) FW from Aquarius> THAI ELEPHANT ORCHESTRA, PERREY & KINGSLEY Date: 28 Feb 2001 19:17:26 +0100 THAI ELEPHANT ORCHESTRA "s/t" (Mulatta Records) cd 15.98 First it was Frogs of North America invading our record bins, then it was Antarctic Seals and Penguins, followed by Insects in Stored Foodstuffs... now it's Elephants from Thailand! Brilliant recordings by non-human, um, sound-artists that we just can't get enough of here at Aquarius. In this case, the elephants are not just making their natural noises, they are indeed playing instruments! You may have read about this project in the New York Times -- when we found out about it we immediately contacted the label and ordered a whole bunch (based also on the on-line sample we heard at www.mulatta.org) and now here they are. These are elephants from a elephant preseve in Thailand who have been trained to play specially-built instruments (many marimba-like instruments similar to the traditional Thai renat, as well as such things as harmonicas, drums, and even a stringed "electric bass"), but they haven't been trained *what* to play, it's all improvised with minimal human guidance! Yet it's definitely music. It was kind of an experiment to find out how the creatures might express themselves, and we'd say it was very successful indeed. If we didn't know these were elephants, we'd think this was a strange No Neck Blues Band recording or something. Imagine a stumbling, primitive hippy folk jam on gamelan instruments, but not one that's random or erratic. The elephants play steady beats, the struck gongs or chimes interspersed with their vocalizations as well. With no overdubs and few edits this is certainly a very impressive recording! The Thai Elephant Orchestra was dreamed up, and this disc produced, by David Soldier (New York musician and academic) and Richard Lair (American expatriate elephant expert, who advises the Thai Elephant Conservation Center where this project goes on). The two came up with the idea that elephants, being social animals, might enjoy playing music together, and proceeded to investigate... Happily, not only did the elephants enjoy playing, they were good at it, demonstrating that they were able to decide what sounded good (to them) and what didn't. The booklet features photos and detailed, fascinating liner notes by both men. Here is what Soldier says the criteria was for the construction of the instruments, which were made by New York instrument builder Ken Butler (of "Gravikords, Whirligigs..." fame): "1. The instruments must be suitable to the elephant's anatomy, which means large instruments operated by the trunk. "2. The instruments must withstand jungle heat, humidity -- and the elephants. "3. The instruments should require minimum upkeep. "4. The instruments should have a Thai sound, because the regular daily audience is Thai, the mahouts would enjoy the music more, and the elephants have heard Thai music all their lives." Some more great tid-bits from the notes: "The elephants took easily to the harmonica, which sparked the first elephant music fad: one morning I arrived to hear the sound of harmonicas from all over -- from the hills and from the river. The elephants were walking in from the forest playing harmonicas, which they hold easily in the tip of their trunks." "The elephants didn't seem interested in the bells or theremin. At first they were spooked by the synthesizer keyboard, but later two animals were entranced by it. They disliked playing Ken's reed instruments with a large mouthpiece, or rather, trunkpiece. A mahout told me they were afraid that a snake might jump into their nostrils!" As sort of bonus tracks, in addition to the forty-plus minutes of elephant improv, there's also some non-instrumental elephant field recordings, several tracks of humans and elephants playing together, and even a few traditional Thai songs played by humans, about elephants. Sure there's a bit of simple amusement to be found here just from the concept alone, but in actual fact the music these elephants make is, to our ears at least, quite beautiful. We could go on and philosophize about how this project speaks to the relationship between man and animals in this world, but we'll leave those thoughts for you to explore if you chose to check out this album, which we highly recommend! Amazing and wonderful. RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/thaijojo.rm RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/thaiduo.rm RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/thaiharmonica.rm RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/thaiheavy.rm PERREY & KINGSLEY "Out Sound From Way In" (Vanguard) 3cd 25.00 Fuckin' A! All the the Vanguard recordings of Perrey & Kingsley finally available in one reasonably priced 2 disc set. Yes, I said "2 disc set". "The In Sound From Way Out", "Spotlight On Moog", plus Jean Jaques Perrey's solo albums "The Amazing New Pop Electronic Sound Of..." and "Moog Indigo" are all included here. Perrey & Kingsley, for those unfamiliar with their work, were probably the first electronic composers to work in the popular realm, releasing "The In Sound From Way Out" in 1966. Taking the ground breaking developments in tape and electronic music pioneered by Otto Leuning and Vladimir Ussachevsky and creating outrageoous arrangements of popular standards of the day a la Martin Denny and Esquivel, Perrey and Kingsley made some "easy listening" music that was anything but easy to listen to. Incredibly frenetic rhythms composed of multi-tracked tape loops of sound effects and recorded noise were the back drop to high paced electronic renditions of all the popular hits of the day using the most advanced synthesizers available. Everyone from Stereolab to Negativland claims a huge debt to the inspiration of these mad scientists of electronic pop. Also included are some nice biographical liner notes -- 7 pages worth -- by The Wire contributor Richard Henderson. Oh yeah, and there's also a third disc of Fat Boy Slim and Eurotrash remixes which you can promptly throw away when you get your copy. In its place you could fit a copy of Jean Jacques Perrey's "Good Moog" which was just re-issued as well and retails for 17.98. RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/perreyspooksinspace.rm RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/perreycosmicballad.rm RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/perrey3rdmantheme.rm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:28:17 -0500 The most famous fake would be the Traveling Wilburys, but there was no secret about who THEY were. There was also Phantom who released "Divine Comedy" and the band members were identified by letters, not names. There was "Orion" who was being touted as Elvis in disguise and it is Orion that is heard on the tape that was included with the book "Is Elvis Alive?" Bo and Peep singing "Young Love" has long been rumored to have Mick Jagger and John Lennon on a one-off single. There is also an April Fools record review that I read in Goldmine magazine years ago, saying that Jim Nabors had released a punk record with his new band, The Pyledrivers. I don't wanna holiday in the Shazam, Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 10:47:40 -0800 (PST) Ramones: Somebody put Something in my Drink NRBQ: Who Put the Garlic in the Glue? Sanford Clark: The Fool Country Joe and The Fish: Tricky Dicky Deadbolt: Patches the Clown Big Mamma Thornton (or "E"): Hound Dog ?: Bear Cat (male response to BMT's Hound Dog) Gene Vincent and The Blue Caps: You Told a Fib Frank Zappa: Don't You Want a Man Like Me? Peter and the Testtube Babies: Transvestite ("I've been cheated tonight...") The Rolling Stones: Don't Lie to Me Sam the Sham and The Pharaohs: The Phantom (about a prankster) Johnny Cash: A Boy Named Sue Ronnie Self: Ain't I'm a Dog --- Brian Linds wrote: > Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another > segment on CBC radio here > in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting > recordings about Pranks or Frauds > or Fake Bands. Any ideas? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) "Tikiville" Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:48:46 -0500 >"Tikiville" is a romantic comedy about a 30-year-old single mother whose >life is turned upside down when the father of her child suddenly re-enters >her life after a 14-year absence. The series, set in south Florida, will >switch back and forth between the couple's current relationship and their >days as teen lovers. I think I'd rather watch SCTV's "Polynesiantown". m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:53:50 EST Looking back at the original post, I agree it seemed more of an intro than an opportunity to smirk, BUT, as someone who's gone to many a garage sale, inquired whether they had any records for sale, and been informed that someone just bought up their entire "stock" before I got there (and noticed a pattern forming as I continued my garage run), I can understand some of the vitrol coming from Brian & co. (I've uttered many curse words directed towards "dealers" myself at times due to said situations). Seeing both sides (diplomatic little f*** aren't I), DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:56:53 -0500 Hi Dan and all, Some good points and on-the-whole I tend to agree with you about the factors influencing the availability of "cheap vinyl". Interestingly enough, there has been a steady stream of recent columns and letters in the U.S. record collecting "trade press" (Goldmine, Discoveries), bemoaning the influence of eBay in *driving down* the price of collectible records. It appears that the traditional closed-circle "good old boy" club of collectors and dealers has been having trouble maintaining their artificially inflated prices, what with every Jill and Joe scouring their attics and closets for used vinyl. The market has changed...for better or worse remains to be seen. As far as your addiction, Dan, might I suggest a twelve-step program? :^) (Hi, my name is Dan and I'm a record-addict...) Larry (who is not only a pusher but an addict himself...) -----Original Message----- Being someone whose psychic well-being relies perhaps a little too much on maintaining a stream of cheap vinyl into my apartment, I've often wondered, sometimes obsessively, about the influence of outside factors (i.e., ebay) on the availability of interesting records in the usual sources. And I haven't noticed that the availability of interesting thrift/flea market/dollar-bin records has diminished markedly since ebay, really. Flea market records turned into much more serious business once those stupid record price guides started coming out. Perhaps it's also that that initial, casual interest in thrift store records stirred up by the "Incredibly Strange Music" books and exotica compilations of the mid-90's has abated somewhat, compensating in some small way for the rise of ebay. That said, this idea that "everybody's a winner on ebay" is just more consumeristic bullshit. Record collecting for many of us can be obsessive, if not addictive. We NEED that record, whatever it may be. The dealer/buyer relationship (which is all there is to ebay) is inherently exploitative when it comes to the collector. Telling the high bidder that everybody's a winner on ebay is like telling the drug addict that he or she's a winner. Not that record collection is even remotely in the same category as drug addiction. But the dynamic is much the same. -Dan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:56:39 EST In a message dated 03/01/01 10:04:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, basichip@home.com writes: << This morning I re-read Mr. Usselman's post and see nothing in it at all that deserves being called an asshole. He's right, it's the buyers that set the prices on ebay. This idea that sellers are "jacking up the prices" is baloney, that's not the way it works. Sure, there are some that set minimums high, or use reserves, but 90% of the sellers kick it off under ten bucks and let the buyers decide. We always seem to forget about all the large number of records that never receive a bid or are sold to a single bidder. Like the near mint Mike Simpson "Jungle Odyssey" I got for three bucks. :) I'm with U, Mr. U. >> yep, i am with you basic. also, i think of ALL the stuff i have found on ebay that i otherwise would never have found. i just purchased a mint condition Marantz 2230B Receiver for about a hundred bucks. 20 times better than the current shit being offered as receivers. where there 100 watts RMS does not even come close to the 30 watts continous that the Marantz has. ya gets whats ya bid for and no one forces you to bid. happy ebayer, tiki bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:04:35 EST In a message dated 03/01/01 10:05:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, DJJimmyBee@aol.com writes: << I have no problem with capitalism per se...let the buyer beware and all that happy horseshit, but the lurking to do your "demographic research" is sneaky and underhanded. . So, its "fuck you asshole" (that's to ljusselm). >> so i guess he should not have put it up for bid. the search engine on ebay is where the people of a certain demographic LOOK for things that fit THEIR demographic. it does not work the other way around. did i miss something? did the lurker post to the list his ebay listing? even if he did, is the person who got the album upset? and the better question, if the person who got the album (and i don't know who that is at this point) had the opportunity to return it and get his money back, would he? and would the other three bidders be willing to buy it? i suspect they would. leave the seller alone. i don't think he did anything sneaky. no body paid more than they were willing to bid. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:20:31 -0500 > From: "Daniel Shiman" > Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:53:16 > To: exotica@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree > > That said, this idea that "everybody's a winner on ebay" is just more > consumeristic bullshit. Record collecting for many of us can be obsessive, > if not addictive. We NEED that record, whatever it may be. The > dealer/buyer relationship (which is all there is to ebay) is inherently > exploitative when it comes to the collector. Telling the high bidder that > everybody's a winner on ebay is like telling the drug addict that he or > she's a winner. Not that record collection is even remotely in the same > category as drug addiction. But the dynamic is much the same. > > -Dan My students, who think I'm a communist, would laugh to hear that I am a purveyor of consumeristic bullshit. I do see your point, Dan, and I agree that the dealer/buyer relationship is exploitative of the collector. When it comes to albums, sometimes e-bay makes me feel like a hungry man with a succulent steak dangled just out of reach. On the other hand, many of us would NEVER see ANY of this stuff if it weren't for e-bay, and there's nothing to prevent dealers who offer the same goods at fixed prices from jacking them up--just go on GEMM or any other on-line seller to see. It may be that the prices there are a by-product of what happens on e-bay, or maybe e-bay just makes the response time by dealers quicker, but once dealers determined that the demand was great, the prices would go up, simple as that. I would love for the dealers to quit plundering the same thrift stores that are my Mecca, and every time I go to a used book sale I curse the dealers who leave with truckloads. But despite my gut feeling, I'm just not certain that prohibiting it is possible or, in the long run, desirable. Finally, the dynamic of record collecting and drugs may be similar, but I doubt that e-bay will ever be the only supplier, and the fact that we all still seem to be finding, even if only occasionally, gems in the antique stores, yard sales, and estate sales suggests that there is still plenty to go around that can be had reasonably. That said, I'll try to keep the consumerist jingoism to a minimum. Comrade Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:26:30 EST In a message dated 03/01/01 12:54:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, daniel_shiman@hotmail.com writes: << That said, this idea that "everybody's a winner on ebay" is just more consumeristic bullshit. Record collecting for many of us can be obsessive, if not addictive. We NEED that record, whatever it may be. The dealer/buyer relationship (which is all there is to ebay) is inherently exploitative when it comes to the collector. >> sounds like trying to blame someone else for one's problems. if it is a problem for the obsessive collector it is not the seller's fault. what is the seller supposed to do? set both a reserve low AND high bid????? tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: RE: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 11:39:15 -0800 Does Milli Vanilli Count? Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another segment on CBC radio here in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds or Fake Bands. Any ideas? Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he found out to be a fraud? Thanks, Brian Linds # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Indy Rutks" Subject: RE: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 13:40:50 -0600 If we're able to include "alter egos", then one of my favorites is XTC putting out a couple of albums of psychedelia as The Dukes Of The Stratosphear. Also, I think Stewart Copeland, drummer for The Police, released an EP as Klark Kent. And remember when Warren Zevon joined with a Stipe-less REM to form Hindu Love Gods? That was awesome... OK, I think I'm waaaay off track now. I'll stop... -Indy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:50:35 -0500 Speaking of frauds, how about "Lola" by the Kinks? Larry -----Original Message----- Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another segment on CBC radio here in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds or Fake Bands. Any ideas? Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he found out to be a fraud? Thanks, Brian Linds # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Shiman" Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:56:52 >sounds like trying to blame someone else for one's problems. if it is a >problem for the obsessive collector it is not the seller's fault. what is >the seller supposed to do? set both a reserve low AND high bid????? > >tb > Nah, I'm not blaming the sellers. What I take issue with is this bogus idea - which ebay promulgates - that as buyers of collectible goods we're supposed to believe that "everybody's a winner on ebay". -Dan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 21:13:28 +0100 Gentlemen! for how long did we not have an "argument" such like this here! Almost forgot how good it feels when the adrenalin concentration rises above the normal level. Ebay again... Have we not been aware of the fact that the "system ebay" means, that the richest guy in the whole wide world gets the record? I must admit I haven't seen it clearly myself in the very beginning. I only saw the advantages for collectors to find a record they wouldn't usually ever see in a shop. But it's a fact. When the price of a record was formerly defined by the average default shop goer, now this customer has to compete with everybody on the planet. It seems like the advantage is clearly on the seller's side (but try to sell a Witney Huston record from 1995, and you will find, that it's still a question of supply and demand). But that the prices for virtually everything would somewhat rise with the ebay system, is that so surprising? Some people just CAN pay hundreds of $$ for records. Even if we see them as fools: they don't care. Looks like we old school hunters and collectors have to go back to the thrift stores, although even there the competition has increased: the chance to make big bucks with old records on ebay surely gave a lot more people the idea to systematically search the common sources. But is it that bad to go back to the roots of record hunting? We can even sell records on ebay ourselves for big $$ to the fools who are willing to pay it. I don't remember anybody complaining about Jack Diamond because he did just that. We can't change it anyway. It's too late. Alea jacta est. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 15:32:45 -0500 At 06:18 AM 3/1/01 -0800, Ben Waugh wrote: > >What? > >We are all complicit in the hiked up prices we gripe >about and pay. What's the big deal about the guy >turning a profit on us compulsively competitive >bidders? Or thanking us for the fact? Four guys on this list bid on a record and the price is driven up. Then the seller comes on and says "thanks for bidding on my record, thus driving up the price". If the seller was a friend of mine, I might smile while I told him to fuck off. I might think "yeah it is kind of funny the way we helped you make money there". I'd grumble but I'd laugh it off. If however the seller is a stranger and this is his first post ever, then I have to agree with Brian. That was my first thought too. It's not his fault that the bidding drove the price up and I don't resent him for making a profit. And I wouldn't have resented him in the least if he'd just been another guy with a record to sell. But when he comes to my home and waves the money in my face and says "hey guys thanks. Hope I can find more records you want so that you guys can drive the price up and in the end none of you will actually get it because the price will be too high for any of you", then yeah I start to think of synonyms for asshole. Now maybe the guy didn't mean it that way. But it sure sounded like it. And it was a suspicious way for a lurker to make his first ever post. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 15:34:14 -0500 At 10:03 AM 3/1/01 EST, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > ..AND you don't know jack about this list other than the fact that you can pick a few dollars off it... Right on JB. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 15:40:13 -0500 At 10:21 AM 3/1/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote: > Maybe Larry shouldn't have sounded so predatory about his >methods, but I can't blame him. When I see albums I own going for high >prices I feel the pull--maybe I should sell it? (I won't do it, but it >wouldn't be wrong if I did.) At the risk of repeating myself, it was the "sound" of his post that made some of us react the way we did. I'm going to put some records on ebay myself eventually and I hope that every one of them goes for a hundred dollars. However if one of my records does go for a lot of money and I look at the bidding history and I see that five guys bid on it and the four "losers" all hang out in one place, I'm not going to go to that place and say "Hey guys, thanks for helping me make all this money!" It's just impolite. And if it was a bar and they were drinking, it would be dangerous too. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 15:44:03 -0500 Alan, the more I think about my original post, I can see how that perception could be made. It certainly wasn't my intention to flaunt this auction and my profits in anyone's face. I actually thought it was pretty neat that I had found something that was interesting enough for 3 or 4 people from this list to bid on. My purpose in reading this list and making that first post was not to generate future sales...I've truly developed an appreciation for many of the musical styles discussed here and have enjoyed the conversations. I apologize if I offended anyone or created any ill-will. I'll continue to read the list, and hopefully will have something constructive to contribute in the future. Best regards, Larry -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 3:33 PM Four guys on this list bid on a record and the price is driven up. Then the seller comes on and says "thanks for bidding on my record, thus driving up the price". If the seller was a friend of mine, I might smile while I told him to fuck off. I might think "yeah it is kind of funny the way we helped you make money there". I'd grumble but I'd laugh it off. If however the seller is a stranger and this is his first post ever, then I have to agree with Brian. That was my first thought too. It's not his fault that the bidding drove the price up and I don't resent him for making a profit. And I wouldn't have resented him in the least if he'd just been another guy with a record to sell. But when he comes to my home and waves the money in my face and says "hey guys thanks. Hope I can find more records you want so that you guys can drive the price up and in the end none of you will actually get it because the price will be too high for any of you", then yeah I start to think of synonyms for asshole. Now maybe the guy didn't mean it that way. But it sure sounded like it. And it was a suspicious way for a lurker to make his first ever post. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 22:03:13 +0100 (CET) All, Can we please change subject now! Gentleman Magnus is tired of seeing that subject line :| Updated today: -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: (exotica) 3 gentlemen? Date: 01 Mar 2001 16:15:33 -0500 with retorts like this, i say WELCOME! we all suffer from ASSHOLISM (to quote local boy john waters) now and again. you have to understand that the people on this list are very passionate about this music and are into it for the love of it, not the profit. so to sorta barge in and speak of the wonders of the large profits being made on us is kinda "assholy". but i understand your intention, i feel as if you kinda like the prodigal son. (i do not bid on record on ebay so you are cool with me) welcome to the hi-volital world of exotica! bump >Hey, ain't nothing wrong with assholes...we'd all be full of shit without >one! =) > >Larry ****************************************************** ***************************** ************* DJ Bump "Primitive Rhythms for Evolved Minds" Defective Records-Executive Producer bump@defectiverecords.com http://www.defectiverecords.com "Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools Date: 02 Mar 2001 08:38:09 +1100 on 2/3/01 4:32 AM, HOUSEOBOB@aol.com at HOUSEOBOB@aol.com wrote: > "The Masked Marauders" was an "anonymous" supersession that was > released by Reprise (no date on the album, most likely around 1969). People > were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved. > Whether anyone actually believed that was Jagger singing "I Can't Get No > Nookie", I'm not sure. The liner notes are by "T.M.Christian" T.M. Christian (The Magic Christian) is Ringo Starr if my memeory serves. Philip -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools Date: 02 Mar 2001 08:38:10 +1100 on 2/3/01 3:56 AM, Brian Linds at woodlind@island.net wrote: > Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he > found out to be a fraud? Thanks, Was there ever any doubt? Magician James Randi spent a lot of time debunking him and fighting in court over defamation too I think. I have just transferred most of Uri's album to CDR if you're interested. Philip -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) 3 gentlemen? Date: 01 Mar 2001 23:16:56 +0100 (CET) citerar buMp : > > with retorts like this, i say WELCOME! > > we all suffer from ASSHOLISM (to quote local boy john waters) Which movie was that? Was it the one where the murderers and the retards lived in a city in the forest? Where the leaing lady, oh maybe not lady screams to the kids in the beginning of the movie: How are you ever gonna pay pack the five minutes you stole from my life, I hate you, your parents and everyone connected with you" Or something like that, how many laughs I got from that picture. So damn dark. I couldnt watch it now, not after my psychosis. Or was it in Pink Flamingos? Magnus -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) Here's my final on this. A stranger introduces himself, thanks us for bidding and then thanks us all around for lining his pockets. He probably could have finessed the sentences a bit more, but I for one never got the sense of intended gloating. Larry came out of the cold in response to the tired thread regarding how we piranhas frenzied after a particular item he was selling. I thought it made a nice end to the matter: thanks for going against your principles and participating in my auction. And he is here now and can speak to this if he cares to correct deny, impugn, etc. Maybe my close reading skills need some polishing or I'm overly callous, but I don't see how it's ok to agree that calling the guy an asshole, based on that first post (before he began to generalize about all group members), is a legitimate - if we are too sophisticated to say "gentlemanly" - response. Whew. Sorry for going on - but this whole "post-punk" rudeness and "in-your-face" as first reaction chic (exploited by our consumer culture, which all we buyers and bidders are shaped by and complicit in)is getting tired. I retire. BW --- alan zweig wrote: .... > Now maybe the guy didn't mean it that way. > But it sure sounded like it. .... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 16:25:25 -0600 Larry, Since I am the one responsible for the "pretentious fop" comment, let me explain....I wrote that because I thought you sounded condescending towards the bidders and listmembers, plus I've waited years to use that adjective and this was the first chance I got. After listening to your comments, I am sorry. I am also sorry for my part in getting the group all stirred up. Who knew such a laid-back, easy listening group had such Passion! Must be the jungle drums.... Colleen Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 14:37:53 -0800 (PST) Right. Jack was very personal and quick with insults (some of which had great humor value. I do miss the guy)And whether or not that tendency is a part of his nature that he cannot master, my feeling is that some people on this list feel that a knowledgeable hipster has a sort papal infallibility about him. A tolerance denied tradesman and the uninitiated. --- Moritz R wrote: I don't remember anybody > complaining about Jack Diamond because he did just > that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: (exotica) White Goddess and Kapp --add Modern, Kent & Crown Date: 01 Mar 2001 18:20:12 -0600 Thanks for the info, Clayton. I'm getting the idea that Kapp had two or three tiers of releases: budget tributes to mostly minor artists by no-name artists; recordings like White Goddess, Eartha Kitt, etc.; and the high-end Gold Medallion LPs. Can you or anyone verify? Hunted for a Kapp website--no luck. Recently learned about this comprehensive site for the Bihari Brothers' labels, Modern, Kent, & Crown. (Thanks, Jeff!) No coverups the Biharis' seamier business practices either. The developers are looking for people who can fill in missing info. Maybe some of you want to oblige them. http://www.bsnpubs.com/modern/modernstory.html Mimi Clayton wrote: I never thought of Kapp as being a budget label. I don't collect them, by any means, but as far as I know all of Roger Williams albums were on Kapp, and Kapp had a fairly nice "high-end" series (Gold Medallion) with the requisite brass and percussion complement... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:14:42 -0500 HOUSEOBOB@aol.com wrote: > "The Masked Marauders" was an "anonymous" supersession that was released by Reprise (no date on the album, most likely around 1969). People were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved. === The folks behind the actual Masked Marauders LP (which I have) were, or so I've heard, a bunch of musos who used to hang around the Freight & Salvage's folk/old time music scene. These same people were recorded by Mike Seeger on "Berkeley Farms: Oldtime and Country Style Music of Berkeley," Folkways FA 2436 (1972) (which I also have). Can I confirm from listening to the two that it's the same personnel? No, but it seems just possible enough that I've considered this mystery solved (at least for myself). lousmith@pipeline.com other pranks: Trubee's Blind Man's Penis Darleen and Jonathan Edwards answer records recordings of Bridey Murphey (http://skepdic.com/bridey.html) backwards messages (http://www.skepdic.com/backward.html ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brett Leveridge Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:26:38 -0500 (EST) This urban legends website claims it all began with "a joke review of a non-existent album" in Rolling Stone written by Griel Marcus under a pseudonym. The site further claims that Marcus and RS writer/editor Langdon recruited a group of Berkeley musicians (supposedly, according to the site, the members of The Cleanliness and Godliness Skiffle Band) to record a record matching the one described in the review: http://www.snopes2.com/music/artists/masked.htm Brett ************************************************** Brett Leveridge's "Men My Mother Dated and Other Mostly True Tales" is now in a bookstore near you. Order signed copies at: http://www.menmymotherdated.com >> "The Masked Marauders" was an "anonymous" supersession >> that was released by Reprise (no date on the album, most >> likely around 1969). People were led to believe that >> Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved. > === > The folks behind the actual Masked Marauders LP (which I have) > were, or so I've heard, a bunch of musos who used to hang around > the Freight & Salvage's folk/old time music scene. These > same people were recorded by Mike Seeger on "Berkeley Farms: > Oldtime and Country Style Music of Berkeley," Folkways FA > 2436 (1972) (which I also have). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:36:58 EST In a message dated 3/1/1 3:12:08 PM, moritz@derplan.com wrote: >I don't remember anybody complaining about Jack Diamond because he did just that. All due respect to Jack--he is passionate beyond belief--I have NEVER bought a rekkid from him because he is in that camp. And I've found most of what he offers anyhow. I guess I like my capitalism the way I like nightclub sex...anonymously. and holding my breath!~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:45:16 EST In a message dated 3/1/1 5:23:07 PM, sophisticatedsavage@yahoo.com wrote: >his whole "post-punk" >rudeness and "in-your-face" as first reaction chic >(exploited by our consumer culture, which all we >buyers and bidders are shaped by and complicit in)is >getting tired. So if anything goes, then--as Zappa said-- its simply situational ethics ...JB/If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 01 Mar 2001 17:06:28 -0800 (PST) Not my point, DJ. But I think you know that. --- DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > So if anything goes, then--as Zappa said-- its > simply situational ethics > ...JB/If you don't stand for something, you'll fall > for anything ===== "Grunt Big for Daddy." - Thomas Paine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) April Fools Date: 01 Mar 2001 19:03:10 -0800 (PST) --- nytab@pipeline.com wrote: > > "The Masked Marauders" was an "anonymous" > supersession that was > released by Reprise (no date on the album, most > likely around 1969). People > were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the > Beatles were involved. What was the name of the group that supposedly sounded so much like the Doors that rumor spread that the lizard elvis had faked his death and was singing incognito in this band? I think Electra actually got riled up over it. > lousmith@pipeline.com > > other pranks: > Trubee's Blind Man's Penis Great record. Sort of in that... vein is Killer Pussy's Teenage Enema Nurses in Bondage, The Beat Farmers' Are You Drinking with me Jesus? and The Forgotten Rebels' Surfin' on Heroin. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) all gentlemen agree Date: 02 Mar 2001 12:12:13 +0100 Ben, this is the final statement. I completely agree with you. And: You have my vote for the Justice of the Peace of this list. Mo Ben Waugh schrieb: > Here's my final on this. A stranger introduces > himself, thanks us for bidding and then thanks us all > around for lining his pockets. He probably could have > finessed the sentences a bit more, but I for one never > got the sense of intended gloating. > > Larry came out of the cold in response to the tired > thread regarding how we piranhas frenzied after a > particular item he was selling. I thought it made a > nice end to the matter: thanks for going against your > principles and participating in my auction. And he is > here now and can speak to this if he cares to correct > deny, impugn, etc. > > Maybe my close reading skills need some polishing or > I'm overly callous, but I don't see how it's ok to > agree that calling the guy an asshole, based on that > first post (before he began to generalize about all > group members), is a legitimate - if we are too > sophisticated to say "gentlemanly" - response. > > Whew. Sorry for going on - but this whole "post-punk" > rudeness and "in-your-face" as first reaction chic > (exploited by our consumer culture, which all we > buyers and bidders are shaped by and complicit in)is > getting tired. > -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: (exotica) Pretentious Fop...? Date: 02 Mar 2001 07:55:10 -0500 Awww, c'mon Colleen...just when I was starting to like the idea of strutting around in a powdered wig, velvet pantaloons, ruffled shirt, a little finger dipped into a snuff box and a lace hankie grasped in the other hand....*LOL* Thanks for the note...hopefully my future postings will be more informative than inflammatory. ----------- A side note...had a chance last night to listen to the webcast of Darrell Brogdon's Retro Cocktail Hour on KANU-FM at the Univ of Kansas. Great show, and particularly enjoyed the interview with Kirby Allen (Chaino's producer/manager). I had some email correspondence with Kirby a few months back and found him to be quite an interesting character! Larry -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 5:25 PM Cc: exotica@lists.xmission.com Larry, Since I am the one responsible for the "pretentious fop" comment, let me explain....I wrote that because I thought you sounded condescending towards the bidders and listmembers, plus I've waited years to use that adjective and this was the first chance I got. After listening to your comments, I am sorry. I am also sorry for my part in getting the group all stirred up. Who knew such a laid-back, easy listening group had such Passion! Must be the jungle drums.... Colleen # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) all gentlemen agree Date: 02 Mar 2001 05:42:58 -0800 (PST) I can't take the job. I know myself too well. It would begin with avuncular intercessions and evolve into hits and lavish purges. --- Moritz R wrote: > > Ben, this is the final statement. I completely agree > with you. > And: You have my vote for the Justice of the Peace > of this list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Flute and bongos, nice combination Date: 02 Mar 2001 16:48:10 +0100 (CET) Don Ralke Bongo Madness LP Crown CLP 5019 Listening to Bongo Madness right now, it is good, more relaxed and calm than I thought it would be, more exotica than afro cuban, some originals by Ralke are particularly good. Buddy Colette talks on the flute and Jack Burger on the bongos. On Crown records so there are (is?) a lot of surface noise. Would make a nice twofer CD with Milt Raskins "Kapu/Exotic Percussion" but it is not as great at that one. I would love a cd reissue of Raskins masterpiece and hear it without all that surface noise. Bongo Madness is absolutely worth picking up, Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert McKenna" Subject: (exotica) April fools gentlemen Date: 02 Mar 2001 18:18:37 One of my favourite 'fake' bands were Klaatu, who weren't really fake but refused to do press and allowed the rumour to get around that they were a secret Beatles reunion. I have been told that the Carpenters thought 'calling occupants of interplanetary craft' (my favourite of their songs and much better than the original version) was a George Harrison song when they did it! Great drugs obviously. And will people lay off the new guy? i wouldn't mind if you were molotov cocktail toting, credit card hacking, anti-capitalist revolutionaries. But short of that you're just not in a fucking reasonable position. whoops the censor might get me. rob _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoTone@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Book of Tiki excised chapters Date: 02 Mar 2001 17:34:14 EST I recall someone posting about the fact that 3 chapters were taken out of the original book before the publishing, including one on music. Is there any possibility that Sven Kirsten would agree to having those chapters posted online? I would even be willing to pay a small fee for the privelige of seeing the additional material. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Is there anyone who could propose this to the author? Thanks Jon Cook # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) 3 from the Scout Report Date: 02 Mar 2001 23:48:59 -0500 9. Hawaiian Newspapers, War Records, and Trust Territory Image Collections [.tif] http://128.171.57.100/ Created by the University of Hawai'i System Libraries, this site contains three collections of digitized images. The first features images of Hawaiian language newspapers published from 1834 to 1948. They include stories, photos, advertisements, letters to the editor, and other content. The quality of images varies. The second collection comes from the Hawai'i War Records Depository (HWRD), and in addition to the photos, this section also provides information on the holdings of the HWRD, contact information, and a link to an online catalog. The third, and largest, collection includes approximately 8,000 images from the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands (TTPI) archives. The photos are browsed by "reel" number and are offered as large thumbnails with links to full-size JPEG or TIFF images. The photos may also be keyword searched using an internal search engine. Links to further information about the four separate, self-governing districts that once composed the TTPI are also provided. [MD] 13. The Merchants of Cool -- PBS [RealPlayer] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/ The companion site to this week's excellent _Frontline_ explores the symbiotic relationships between teens, the media, and the creators and sellers of popular culture. In the program, _Frontline_ correspondent Douglas Rushkoff interviews marketers, media executives, cultural/media critics, and members of the teen market that the former are so desperately trying to reach (and create). Among other things, Rushkoff explores the "mook" (young male) and "midriff" (young female) stereotypes and the marketing of supposedly anti-establishment rage rockers. At the site, visitors can explore the major themes of the film, read interview transcripts and the reactions of teens who viewed the program, and learn about some of the companies and media giants featured in the film. Also included are a discussion list, a teacher's guide, and some additional short features. [MD] 14. Traveling Culture: Circuit Chautauqua in the Twentieth Century -- LOC [.pdf] http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award98/iauhtml/tccchome.html The latest addition to the American Memory Project highlights a University of Iowa Libraries collection of talent brochures and other materials from one of the largest booking agencies for Chautauqua performers. The site presents "7,949 publicity brochures, promotional advertisements and talent circulars for some 4,546 performers who were part of the Chautauqua circuit." These may be searched by keyword or browsed by subject or name. The digitized images are offered as thumbnails with links to a full-size .jpg image or .pdf file, accompanied by bibliographic information. The site also links to a brief online essay on Chautauqua. [MD] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) LANGUAGE Date: 02 Mar 2001 23:24:18 -0600 Well, I think JB proved that it's not the @#%#@** language that keeps posts from coming through. JB, you are quite fluent. LOL Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree Date: 02 Mar 2001 22:14:59 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Usselman, Lawrence > J > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:44 PM > Alan, the more I think about my original post, I can see how that > perception > could be made. It certainly wasn't my intention to flaunt this auction and > my profits in anyone's face. Man I just hope you're not this one seller on eBay who has all this great stuff and is totally cleaning up. There's this particular seller (ok, I'm bidding on one of her/his auctions right now) who has: Jean-Jacques Perrey's "Mood Indigo" LP *and* Dan Penn's "Nobody's Fool" LP (that one just went over $100) *and* Little Jimmy Scott's "The Source" LP (that one I really want) *and* that Kali Bahlu album. God I want 'em all. A little depressed, Ben np: drowningman, "rock and roll killing machine" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 02 Mar 2001 22:19:47 -0800 This stuff is just plain common sense... everyone who collects anything eventually realizes this: * You Have To Pay To Be Lazy * It stands to reason that if you take the path of least resistence, (ie: typing "les+baxter" into the ebay search box) you are going to pay more than the fella who gets up at 5 am to be to the swap meet before most people have their morning coffee. A dealer may have to buy up whole collections of worthless "Whipped Cream and Other Delights" to get the odd Esquivel or Les Baxter in the batch. If someone is going to that trouble to gather together an inventory, you're going to pay him a premium for his efforts. There's nothing at all wrong with any of that... If you have very little money, then you shouldn't be shopping at trendy record boutiques and high traffic auctions... You should haunt thrift stores, go to swap meets, search out garage sales, and save your money and buy batches of records from people dumping whole collections at a quantity discount... in other words... Do your own legwork! Don't gripe that the guy who sits on his duff typing in ebay search boxes is ruining things for you, because that isn't true at all. * Auctions Don't Set Values * The hammer price at auction is *by definition* a higher price than anyone else bidding is interested in paying. It doesn't mean that is what the item is *worth*. It means on THAT day THAT ONE BIDDER was willing to pay that. It's a lot easier for someone to pay double what something is worth if it costs $10, than if it's worth $500. That's why the average stuff is so volitile sometimes. But these are flukes. It doesn't mean that if you put YOUR copy of "Hugo Piggerwiggle and his Mambo Maniacs Play the Beatles" that you are going to get the same price that the first seller did. After the first copy, the law of supply and demand will kick in, and the price will start to drop. * Lemmings Pay A Premium * If a record is pictured on the cover of Re:Search's books, you are going to pay through the nose for it. Everyone with a tiny bit of experience in this sort of music knows Esquivel, Les Baxter and Martin Denny. But that doesn't mean that these are the only good records in the world. There are a LOT of really good cheap records to be had. You just have to explore the outer edges where the average person hasn't gotten to yet, and be willing to risk a buck on something new. It helps to have broad and adventurous tastes in music. It doesn't help to feel that someone else has to write about something being good before you will acknowledge it yourself. Be your own trendsetter... don't let Irwin Chisud define what *your* tastes are. * My Tip For Finding Cheap Music * I've mentioned it here before, and I guess I'll say it again, even though I'll probably be making competition for myself at ebay... If you like older music and you don't have a turntable capable of playing 78's, you are missing out on a sure thing. Right now, 78s are plentiful and relatively valueless. You can find lots of music of all types from the turn of the century through the late 50s, that aren't available on LP or CD, for as low as 25 cents a record at ebay. If they have been reissued on CD, odds are the original 78s sound BETTER. People have this idea that 78s sound scratchy... that it's hard to get equipment to play them... that they are very rare and expensive. None of this is true. They sound great, they're easy to find needles for, and they are DIRT CHEAP. In short, use your brain, your ears and your legs. The lazy lemming with no tastes of his own always pays more. Who wants to be a lazy lemming? That's my two cents... and I didn't have to resort to vulgarities! See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Grind & Polish Date: 02 Mar 2001 22:19:49 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >have you ever tried if such a "grind & polish" CD repair kit also >works on CD-R's? You can buff out even really deep scratches with any good plexiglas polish. It's cheaper than those fancy kits and it works better too. I use Meguiars Mirror Glaze 17 Professional Plastic Cleaner. But any brand would work as well. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Permanence Date: 02 Mar 2001 22:19:51 -0800 >I read somewhere that LPs will function in 100 years, CDs will function >in 30 years, CDrs will function in 10 years, can someone verify this? >If this is true, I am glad I can listen to my LPs the rest of my life. >A record from -59 will last until 2059, when I am 90. CDs will need a >lot of upgrades. What about 78s? -Magnus I have 78's from the turn of the century that sound as good as the day they were made. That puts them over the 100 year mark. Some 78s are subject to lamination cracking, but that is mostly the cheaper ones from the fifties. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jim gerwitz" Subject: (exotica) Assholeism Date: 02 Mar 2001 23:18:29 -0800 Magnus, here's your quote from Desperate Living, my favorite John Waters film for the first half at least. If you need a laugh at least go back to Polyester and Hairspray (for Sonny Bono, Debbie Harry, and beatnik Pia Zadora.) From the IMDB Desperate Living quotes: Peggy Gravel: "Hello? What number are you calling? You've dialed the wrong number! Sorry? What good is that? How can you ever repay the last thirty seconds you have stolen from my life? I hate you, your husband, your children, and your relatives!" Then on to Mortville with her maid Grizelda just in time for Queen Carlotta's Backwards Day exclamations of "Hey asshole, you got your pants on backwards. HAHAHAHAHA....." Damn, now I gotta watch this tomorrow. Here's the fabulous Mink Stole again as Connie Marble in Pink Flamingos: "I guess there's just two kinds of people, Ms. Sandstone; my kind of people and assholes. It's rather obvious which category you fit into. Have a nice day." Pink Flamingos was a first date movie for me and my wife, and I bought some John Cougar Mellencamp LP just because Edith Massey is on the cover and I HAD to have it. Coming out of his own shell of depression, Jim The Egg Man (who hasn't had to bid on a Barbarella LP because someone posted the whole thing on Usenet mp3.soundtracks.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Assholeism Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:30:21 +0100 (CET) citerar jim gerwitz : > > Magnus, here's your quote from Desperate Living, my favorite John Waters > film for the first half at least. If you need a laugh at least go back to > Polyester and Hairspray (for Sonny Bono, Debbie Harry, and beatnik Pia > Zadora.) Hi Jim! Well I purchased nearly all of his films when they came out as tapes in britain some 8 years ago, I sold some old ones that I did not like, but I still have most of them. I also liked Desperate living the most. Polyester I saw on its premiere in Sweden, I was just a kid back then, so I did not think it gave me that much (Except when one guy gets his head cut off ;) That I loved.) I saved the "smell paper" a long time, the pizza smell was still there 7-8 years after. Then I lost it when we moved to a new house. Baltimore to me is John Waters. If I go there sometime I would like to be served by Edith Massey, but she is dead, isnt she? How is his new films? The ones after Serial Mom I have not seen. Thanks very much for the quotes! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Permanence Date: 03 Mar 2001 13:31:10 +0100 (CET) Hi Steve Thanks for your comments! I read your mail about record dealers and collecting after your own=20 taste. I couldnt agree more, however, look at it from my side, I live=20 in Sweden, very little exotica records here, if i found something good=20 on the fleamarket I buy it, and often they are funny/great. The kind of=20 records I value is still often ignored here. As a compliment I order=20 stuff from America, becase there I can easily find great items, so what=20 shall I do? Order the cheapest records from the US and try them out, or=20 buy the more expensive ones that a lot of people have agreed is very=20 great, my money is limited, but I rather pay 20 dollars and 8 dollars=20 shipping costs for a record many people like than buy a record noone=20 else wants for 1 dollar + 8 dollars shipping that stinks. It is not that easy to find gems. When I follow the guidelines of Jack=20 Diamond, Stefan K=E9ry, Tony Wilds, Johan, Basic Hip and a lot of other=20 people on-list and off-list that I trust I am very seldom not satisfied. I also think it is great to belong in some sort of group were you can=20 discuss the same thing and not just: Person A: Look at this record, you=20 have never seen it before, it is great, Person B: Yeah, but look at=20 this record, this is great and you have never heard about it! See my point? It is however quite groovy to own a record noone knows about who is as=20 good as the other precious LP people rate very high. I still have about 25 known exotica LP musts, when I get them all,=20 there will probably be 100 more, then maybe it will be private presses,=20 but to finance them I must sell my exotica LPs. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Kenyon Hopkins query Date: 03 Mar 2001 13:50:05 +0100 (CET) Any Kenyon Hopkins collector on the list? How is his "Rooms" LP? I saw the cover and it looked brilliant -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Assholeism Date: 03 Mar 2001 13:57:27 +0100 (CET) citerar jim gerwitz : > Jim The Egg Man > (who hasn't had to bid on a Barbarella LP because someone posted the whole > thing on Usenet mp3.soundtracks.) Does not MP3 sound very digital and compressed? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pearmania@aol.com Subject: (exotica) finite demand? Date: 03 Mar 2001 08:11:51 EST In a message dated 3/1/01 2:47:49 PM US Eastern Standard Time, clayton.black@washcoll.edu writes: << I keep the faith that eventually all the people who really want Esquivel on vinyl will buy it, and the prices will begin to go down. I know that the supply is finite, but so is the demand. >> I can't agree with this. To me, this is like saying that the demand for first edition books will go down or the demand for original paintings will decrease. There are people who just want the music and don't care what format it's in, but fanatical collectors are much more interested in whether it's original pressing or not. This is why people are still spending lots of money for original Beatles records when the music is plentiful. As is the case with great art, literature, etc., more and more people will discover that Esquivel was great and will collect his originals. When I was a kid, Captain Beefheart played at a local bar in town and barely drew a crowd. No one bought his records. Now, his originals pressings are selling for big $. I suspect that more people are buying Esquivel records, CDs, etc. now than when he was active. Others who were actually aware of Esquivel in the early 60's might be able to confirm this. Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:13:31 +0100 (CET) Just when you thought you heard enough of ebay... I am writing this just to tell you of some of the good people dealing there and the good people around here, I stepped onto this record on ebay some week ago, purchased it instantly, costed me $8. (Buy it now) The problem was the seller only shipped to the US, I asked the Exotica ring people if some american guy/girl on the list could help me out, recieve it and the ship it to me, I got response from 10 people, all wanted to help me. When I contacted the seller she told me there were no problem sending it to Sweden, she just did not know how to fill in the form on ebay. Very nice girl, and we had some dialogue. After she had recieved my payments, she sended it out express which costed her more than the money I had sent her (She told me there were no big difference). It arrived today (SUNDAY!) and it is Mint. It is an OK record, not great, maybe after some more listenings.. But it is in my collection now, and I value it. So I will continue buy on ebay, my experience is that threre are very kind people there. And I am not the richest guy in the world. Magnus -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hemmel@gmx.net Subject: (exotica) Re: Japanese 6Ts Group Sounds Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:25:09 +0100 (MET) And not to forgett: V.A. Sixties Japanese Garage Psych Sampler LP, Corumbia CS 36,139 STEREO, USA 1987 With the Golden Cups, Dynamite, Beavers, Mops, Outcast etc but also no Tigers Maybe the first comp with that sound ? and V.A. Banzai Freakbeat, Pachinko Records, Lucky 777 CD, ? 199? This has IMO just one good cut: Hanashitakunai by the Youngsters no Tigers again Martin >> From: eat78rpm@bigfoot.com >> Anyone know anything about Japanese band The Tigers? >> Sem Sinatra, Agent Osaka > >> From: Ben Waugh >> Subject: Re: (exotica) The Tigers >> I have several lps, singles of Japanese "Group Sounds" >> (vocal) bands from the 60s. Many of these can be found >> on tastelessly titled compilation lps through Norton >> Records. > >Tasteless? Ben, their title is 80% the reason why I love to spend my >money on them! >They are: >"Hot Nips", voll. 1 + 2 (Dolemite); >the Norton catalogue defines them, respectively, as: >"warped japanese sixties garage combos galore!" (vol. 1) and >"still mo' nagasaki nuggets" (vol. 2). >Then there's >"Slitherama: Monster a Go-Go", with Godzilla on cover (Planet X), >which gets rated as "klayzee 60's jap-punk - godzilla size lock & >loll" and >"Project Blue, vol. 3: Diamonds From The East, Sixties Lost Punk >Gems From Hong Kong Bands" (Destination X). >All these are pure vinyl only, and the latter is only available from >my pal Scanna, who +compiled it. >As starters I'd# suggest: >"G.S. I Love You - Japanese* Garage Bands of the 60's" and >"G.S. I Love You Too", cds on Big Beat, which the mighty Hitomi >helped compile.’ >No Tigers on any of them, though. > >Sayonara >Gionni -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:29:39 +0100 (CET) citerar Magnus Sandberg : >costed me $8. (Buy it now) It costed $6 >It arrived today (SUNDAY!) It is off course Saturday Sorry Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos Date: 03 Mar 2001 06:07:34 -0800 (PST) Cool record. Took me a few plays to appreciate it. I bought it for the artwork on the back cover. I picked up Bob Thompson's The Sound of Speed at the same thrify for the same reason (and because it was BT)... but have not yet been able to listen to it all the way through. --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: > > > citerar Magnus Sandberg : > > >costed me $8. (Buy it now) > > It costed $6 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Some typos Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:14:15 +0100 (CET) citerar Ben Waugh : > > Cool record. Took me a few plays to appreciate it. I > bought it for the artwork on the back cover Well the front is not bad either, quite thrilling. But I relly like the backcover illustrations, every girl in the world should see it so they understand man's occasional odd behaviour. ;) Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:38:21 +0100 Magnus wrote: > So I will continue buy on ebay, my experience is that threre are very > kind people there. And I am not the richest guy in the world. I agree with Magnus. I have been buying on Ebay for about a year now and I have encountered a few very kind dealers who know what they are selling and are willing to do a little extra effort for their customers. It's also true that for us Europeans Ebay is a great way to buy (America) records that we wouldn't be able to buy at markets or thrift stores in a million years. Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: RE: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:54:02 +0100 (CET) citerar "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" : > > Marco wrote: It's also true > that for us Europeans Ebay is a great way to buy (America) records that we > wouldn't be able to buy at markets or thrift stores in a million years. Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away, the funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket, My spirit will watch over them and if someone buys them I will follow him home, and if he/she does not like the record I will haunt him: I paid 40 dollars for that record 50 years ago! Now I aim to spook! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:02:59 -0500 >If you have very little money, then you shouldn't be shopping >at trendy record boutiques and high traffic auctions... You should >haunt thrift stores, go to swap meets, search out garage sales, As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are disappearing! Instead of lugging their boxes around, they're staying at home in their jammies and putting the "choice" items on... EBAY. Not an unreasonable choice from their point of view, but it leaves me out of luck for my $1 thrill of the unknown. Or occasional hot find. (And no, I will not buy from eBay, and will not bore you with the reasons why.) It's not just a matter of whether or not eBay influences pricing overall. It's a matter of possibly closing off outlets of availability. Is anyone else seeing this disappearance? I also worry about what they're doing with the "non-choice" records. I sure hope they're not trashing them. I can't imagine they're putting them eBay... "Joe Schlabotnik and the Brass Railers - Polka Cha Cha Singalong Vinyl in rough condition, several deep gouges on Side Two. Cover seams split, with large tear across front. Mild mildew growth. Water stains on back. Odor ranking of 7. Minimum bid $0.50" --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: (exotica) Ebay Date: 03 Mar 2001 09:11:13 -0800 At 02:13 PM 03-03-01 +0100, Magnus wrote: >So I will continue buy on ebay, my experience is that threre are very >kind people there. Because it is "virtual", Ebay is sometimes viewed with suspicion and concern than other more limited shopping experiences. And, of course, it is an auction, which makes it even more treacherous. Certainly, the term "let the buyer beware" applies. HOWEVER, I consider Ebay (or any internet auction service...it just so happens ebay is the largest and thus capable of serving up a wider variety of items) a major service for me. After making at least 400 purchases through Ebay in the last two years...everything from furniture to miniature Coke bottles (and, of course, records), I have had only had a few difficulties...and usually because of the post office or some miscommunication. Many of these items I would never have found in any other way! The Coke bottles I mentioned I had been searching for at every second hand store I walked into for the past 32 years. Once I did a search on ebay I found 7 of them within a month! And the people I encounter are usually very nice, helpful, considerate. Certainly they benefit from it financially, but I get something I am interested in at a price I can afford (otherwise, why did I bid that amount?). If you can control your own bidding, remember the mailing costs, get over the winning-losing frame of mind and take proper precautions when conducting a transaction, ebay is a wonderful thing and the people who participate in it, buyers and sellers, all benefit. Byron ___...--''''***^^^^^^""""""^^^^^***''''---___ "You've got to stand for something or ||| you'll fall for anything." ||| ||| ---John Mellencamp ||| ||| ||| |||bag AT hubris DOT net Portland, OR, USA||| """^^^'''***----...__________...----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay Date: 03 Mar 2001 18:41:11 +0100 (CET) citerar bag@hubris.net: >Coke bottles, I used to collect those too, I had about ten different volume sizes. I wonder how many there are... Some from Jugoslavia and Greece. Sorry Byron, they were lost when I moved to an own apartment otherwise I would have given them to you. Actually I dont have anything to collect that is cheap, In fleamarkets I first check LPs, if I dont find any I check books, then art. But fun thriftstore art is as rare here as exotica. It is basically the same prints everywere. And finding a hawaiian shirt that is goodlooking is impossible. So is Tikimugs. I have found one tiki item, A very nice porcelain (correct spelling?) statue of Ku. And some year ago Adam Axelsson found two mugs from Kahiki. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) Magnus! Date: 03 Mar 2001 11:57:44 -0600 Magnus wrote: Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away, the funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket, My spirit will watch over them and if someone buys them I will follow him home, and if he/she does not like the record I will haunt him: I paid 40 dollars for that record 50 years ago! Now I aim to spook! ************************* Magnus, that is the funniest thought, I love the way your mind works. If you ask me, that sounds like a pilot for a new WB TV series, right along with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. LOL Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) Zodiac Cosmic Sounds Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:14:49 -0600 Hi Gang, I was telling my brother in law that you guys were the smarted group of people in the world when it came to exotica music. He has a request for you. He has an LP called Zodiac Cosmic Sounds by Mort Garson on Electra SKS74009. Each track is related to a Zodiac sign, ie: Aries, Libra and is sort of spoken with psychedelic music in the backround. It is pretty cool. His question: Does anyone know aboout this record or the guy who made it? Also, although he had it put on CD, it still sounds VERY scratchy, is it possible to digitally get out those sounds? Or is there another copy out there he could purchase? Thanks. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) Jonathan Perl Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:43:54 +0000 Sorry, I'm trying to get in touch with this (former?) lister. His DELICADO@prodigy.net account is dead. Jonny, are you reading? If so, please e-mail me off-list. Anyone knows another account? Thank you, and now back the scheduled program. Ciao Gionni # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:24:33 -0600 Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there. Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? Or do you want that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether or not you care for the music? I'm just curious. Colleen/sounding a little like Alan... Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Casino Royale airings Date: 03 Mar 2001 13:47:08 -0500 "Casino Royale" (1967) pops up on AMC this Monday at 2:00pm, 8:00pm and 1:15am (eastern). The late night showing is supposed to be in letterbox format. Then again, same day, TCM has "What's New Pussycat?" (1966) at 6:00pm, if you'd like an additional Ursula Andress fix. Hmmm, furthermore, on Wednesday, TCM airs "The Thomas Crown Affair" (1968) at 6:15pm and "Breakfast at Tiffany's" (1961) at 8:00pm. m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) The lyrics to "Deep Night" + pic of a Buzzimba Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:01:58 +0100 (CET) Anybody have that? I need it. I know most of it but there are a few lines I dont know. And does anybody have a picture of a buzzimba? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay Date: 03 Mar 2001 11:37:09 -0800 Byron oh so correctly pointed out: > Many of these items I would never have found in any other way! < This is the key to it for me - a factor so important that it just cannot be overlooked. If there is something specific you are after, it is the first place to go. For example, I am constantly after two things in particular: fred lowery memoribila as well as obscure whistlers and bird recordings on 78, and vintage radio commercials / jingles / spots produced for broadcast use only. I could spend a weekend driving all over the San Francisco bay area, checking thrift stores, garage sales, used record stores, flea markets, estate sales and I'll betcha I'll come home empty handed. Maybe I'll find "whistle a happy tune", but I've got that one :) So I go to ebay, where I have "Fred Lowery", "whistling", "radio commercials", "radio spots", "advertising LPs", etc bookmarked and can locate them almost any given day. For those of you who have had unpleasant ebay experiences, you have my sypmpathies. In the two years I've used it, 99% of my transactions have been pleasant. I've found stuff that I never would have found otherwise. Like the sonovox kiddie 78s on Jacklee, "Whizzer" and "Chug Chug in Lollypop Town". True, you don't need ebay to find Martin Denny, but for diggin' up specialty items, it's the way to go. If you have never used it ebay and avoid it "just because", I'll continue to try to sway you because I think you are missing out on a a valuable source for finding exactly what you want. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 11:45:21 -0800 > Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there. > Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? > And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? Or do you want > that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether > or not you care for the music? As one writer pointed out, why buy the LP when you can download the whole thing in MP3 format from some site. Then there are others that only the LP will do - they want the actual object, the real thing, nothing else will do. A CD or CD-R will suffice until they find it then the CD goes in grandma's attic (or worse). They want to feel it, touch it, smell it. Like Sean said. I certainly prefer my records to CD's, they just make me feel better. I never buy for the cover and always open sealed records. OK, I'm on a roll - email ketchup time! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:38:11 EST In a message dated 3/3/01 9:03:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, mace@ookworld.com writes: << As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are disappearing! Instead of lugging their boxes around, they're staying at home in their jammies and putting the "choice" items on... EBAY. Not an unreasonable choice from their point of view, but it leaves me out of luck for my $1 thrill of the unknown. Or occasional hot find. (And no, I will not buy from eBay, and will not bore you with the reasons why.) It's not just a matter of whether or not eBay influences pricing overall. It's a matter of possibly closing off outlets of availability. Is anyone else seeing this disappearance? >> I have; a local indie store recently closed down, leaving a sign saying to "check (their) auctions on eBay". (of course since their stock was mostly crap and they dealt more with Pearl Jam and No Doubt video bootlegs it was no big loss). I've also seen quite a few "about me" pages where the seller says s/he used to have a store, but closed it down to concentrate on eBay, etc. So there have been a few dealers "migrating" to eBay. (not that it's a part of eBay's Evil Plan for World Domination, but it's happening) In a way you can't blame them; why go through all the bother of lugging boxes all over the place, having to deal with hagglers and shoplifters, etc., when you can just do it all (mostly) hassle-free at home? Another thing I've noticed more and more when I'm going on a garage sale run and asking if they have any records for sale are people either saying they're holding on to their albums to sell on eBay or offering really scratchy and not-so-rare records at ridiculous prices because they heard they were "valuable". (I think the ultimate was when I saw a xxth-pressing Beatles record for $20 and an Eagles record for $10!!! I just laughed my ass off at that one.) Has anyone else noticed this particular trend? -DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:51:17 -0500 >From: "Colleen Pyles" >>Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there. >Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? >And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? Or do you want >that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether >or not you care for the music? I'm just curious. Colleen/sounding a >little like Alan... > For the music. I have a few Esquivel records someone gave me but they are in a box somewhere. nice to have and look at but I listen to the CD's. It's easier. With all this talk of ebay and dealers I have to tell you about a trip to a record store in New Hapshire. Lots of great records a lot of them going for $60 (Julie's Calender Girl) to $100 (Ray Charles and Betty Carter). I went down to the celler ($2 a pop) a picked up a few nice things with bad records covers. You know ripped and taped or mono. Pat Suzuki and Bob Crewe, Linda Lawson. The guy was on his computer all the time. Told me was totally into ebay. (vinylman4533@earthlink.net) I can imagine him going thru the bins and posting what he things would sell. Told me that in the spring he has to beat people off with a stick they come in loaded with records from spring cleaning. Hey. He's got a good thing going. Maybe I should open a record store? I saw soo much neat stuff I would like to play on my radio show....but hey, it's under glass ready for some collector. I saw a Command record I may never see again: Dick Van Dyke singing! for $15. And I think Jack Diamond was a little agast when I told him, in the Luxuria chat, that I hardly spend more than $2 for a reccord. My wife hates the damm musty things anyways. Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/misc/wjul/wjul.html (On Real Audio) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 11:57:06 -0800 At 12:24 PM 03-03-01 -0600, Colleenwrote: >Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? No, not just for either. >And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? Yes. >Or do you want >that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether >or not you care for the music? No. But, of course, rarely is anything purely black or white...and my answers could easily go the other way. It all depends. I purchase an LP primarilly for the music, but will pay more if it has a cool cover. I will pay for the cover only or the record only if I hope to unite them some day, but don't like just having a cover. I would buy a record for the cover if very cheap. That is my take on it. I know there are folks out there who really want that album cover art and could care less about the record. I want the record in good shape even if I buy the album for the cover and even if I don't like the music. Yes, that sounds dumb, but I just like to keep things together as they originally were produced. I am less apt to pay high money for an LP which is out on CD...but I do want to own the LP because it is more original and I get the large scale cover art. So, I own all of the Esquivel CDs that I know are out there and only some of the LPs. If I ever see one of the LPs that I do not have and already have a CD of, I will want to buy it...but only if it costs less than the CD cost! Your last question nags at me occasionally, for I have bought records which other people consider really great...yet I neither like the cover nor the music. You would think I would rush out to sell the darn thing (which I bought for 10-99 cents) and get a nice profit. But something tells me that I will eventually grow to like the music...so I keep it. However, I do wonder if I keep it just to say I own it! I may eventually change my mind when I have more records than storage capacity...or less spending money. Byron ___...--''''***^^^^^^""""""^^^^^***''''---___ "You've got to stand for something or ||| you'll fall for anything." ||| ||| ---John Mellencamp ||| ||| ||| |||bag AT hubris DOT net Portland, OR, USA||| """^^^'''***----...__________...----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) Ghosts of Vinyl Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:56:49 -0500 >Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away, the >funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket, We always stop at this used furniture/junk store. Mostly estate stuff. Today I stop in and they tell me they just put out a box. Awesome! The first person there! It’s not picked over! What do I find? Stones, Cat Stevens, Bruce Springfield? "What!!", I ask the clerk. "People of my generation already dying?" But I did pick up something I overlooked before. Anthony Newley "Tells the Ultimate love story For You from the book by Jennings Cobb". Original score Composed and Conducted by Neely Plumb. (Newly hugging a nekkid chick on the back cover, kinds of looks like EVE Plumb ;’)) The first paragraph of the linear notes: “To begin, place this record on your record player, dim the lights, and take your favorite member of the opposite sex in your arms. If your fully dressed at the end of the record, perhaps you should discuss your early childhood with your analyst.” Listening to it now, Newley reciting the poems with mello orchestration. Its going into the Martini Mix. I also picked up an 8 track! Someone on the list send me a Moe Koffman album and it’s the only reason I picked this up: Moe Koffman Museum Pieces from 1978. Sounds interesting. 4 tracks. 1) Museum Piece Dinosaurs 9:15 2) Rocks(Mineralogy) Digs (Archeology) 9:30 3) Evolution Blues Pharoah’s Dream 9:30 4) Wildlife (Mammalogy) Days Gone By (Egyptology) 9:20 If anybody wants it just email me. I'll tell you if the record worked.....tomorrow. Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/misc/wjul/wjul.html (On Real Audio) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: (exotica) Zodiac Cosmic Sounds Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:14:58 -0800 >Zodiac Cosmic Sounds by Mort > Garson on Electra SKS74009. Each track is related to a Zodiac sign, > ie: Aries, Libra and is sort of spoken with psychedelic music in the > backround. It is pretty cool. His question: Does anyone know aboout > this record or the guy who made it? Also, although he had it put on > CD, it still sounds VERY scratchy, is it possible to digitally get > out those sounds? Or is there another copy out there he could > purchase? That's a great record, ! Mort Garson did some really wild and trippy stuff. Keep an eye out for these: The Wozard of Iz (mind altering substances recommended) Electronic Hair Pieces The Unexplained Black Mass Lucifer Music for Sensuous Lovers (moaning and groaning and slurping sounds with electronic noodling) Then there was one for your plants as well as a complete series dedicated to the signs. One record for each sign! I use Sonic Foundry to remove pops, clicks and surface noise, and the results are hit and miss. Experince was taught me to use these features sparingly. Some recordings respond better than others. Pops and clicks are sometimes mistaken for sharp percussive effects, so the actual music is distorted. I prefer sampling surface noise during a quiet passage and removing it from "underneath" the music. if the record is really beat up, it's pretty hard to revive - all the noise just turns into muffled noise. This record was a reissue a couple of years ago - Jack Diamond may still have it. Of course, you could just head on over to ebay and type in Mort Garson and Bingo! You'll get three hits: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&Sort Property=MetaEndSort&query=%22mort+garson%22 Which is my point exactly regarding ebay. If you want it, there it is. Sure it may cost you thirty bucks, but at least you now have the *opportunity* to get it. Unless the vinyl gods are with you, that is not the kind of record you'll find in the dollar bins. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 21:24:43 +0100 Colleen wrote: > Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there. > Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? > And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? For me it's a combination of various factors. I buy most of my music on CD nowadays (and lots of 'em!), but I keep buying vinyl albums mostly for the look and "feel" of them. If a new release comes out on both CD and LP I go for the CD, because I find that much easier to use. Most vinyl that I buy now will - most likely - never come out on CD. For example, I just bought these LPs on Ebay: a Little Marcy LP, a Merrill Womach LP, 'Mallet magic' by Harry Breuer and 'Sounds in space' with narration by Ken Nordine. I will listen to them all, but the 'Sounds in Space' is mainly for the cover. The one by Harry Breuer is for the music though. There's one record that I absolutely HAD to have on vinyl, even though I already had it on CD: André Popp's 'Delirium in hi fi'. I love that record so much, that I didn't have to think twice about paying 35 bucks for it. I would never pay that much for a Little Marcy LP! Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) Magnus! Date: 03 Mar 2001 21:24:42 +0100 Colleen wrote: > Magnus, that is the funniest thought, I love the way your mind > works. If you ask me, that sounds like a pilot for a new WB TV > series, right along with Buffy the Vampire Slayer. LOL Magnus the Friendly Ghost!? MArco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pearmania@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: Zodiac Cosmic Sounds Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:25:03 EST In a message dated 3/3/01 2:59:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Colleen writes: << He has an LP called Zodiac Cosmic Sounds by Mort Garson on Electra SKS74009. Each track is related to a Zodiac sign, ie: Aries, Libra and is sort of spoken with psychedelic music in the backround. It is pretty cool. His question: Does anyone know aboout this record or the guy who made it? >> The lyrics were written and spoken by Jacques Wilson whom I know very little about. The music is by Mort Garson who has produced several other incredibly strange classics including "The Wozard of Iz" an electronic, 60's hippie-oriented spoof on the Wizard of Oz. "Black Mass" (by Lucifer) is a great spooky electronic work. Its almost-as-good cousin is "The Unexplained", credited to Ataraxia, but it's all Garson. Garson and Wilson did a series of 12 records, one devoted to each Zodiac sign, but these are not nearly as good as Zodiac Cosmic Sounds. The instrumentation is all electronic (no sitars, guitars, or percussion) and the music is very much in the background. Garson's "Music for Sensuous Lovers by Z" is a recording of a woman moaning orgasmically to Moogy background music. It's o.k. but not great. He has another one called "Plantasia" (electronic music to help your plants grow). I have heard mixed reviews of that one, too. He made a few other LPs which aren't worth mentioning. If I missed any good ones, I'm sure someone else on the list will let us know. Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Zodiac Cosmic Sounds Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:27:01 -0500 > >Zodiac Cosmic Sounds by Mort > > Garson on Electra SKS74009. > >Which is my point exactly regarding ebay. If you want it, there it is. >Sure it may cost you thirty bucks, but at least you now have the >*opportunity* to get it. Unless the vinyl gods are with you, that is not >the kind of record you'll find in the dollar bins. I did! ^_- But now that dealer's gone. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Zodiac Cosmic Sounds Date: 03 Mar 2001 12:39:24 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of basic hip > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 12:15 PM > Keep an eye out for these: > > The Wozard of Iz (mind altering substances recommended) Since someone mentioned usenet earlier: The Wozard of Iz was posted maybe a few days ago in alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1970s. Later, Ben np: keiji haino, "tenshi no gijinka" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pearmania@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: Kenyon Hopkins query Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:41:59 EST In a message dated 3/3/01 2:59:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time, magnus writes: << Any Kenyon Hopkins collector on the list? How is his "Rooms" LP? I saw the cover and it looked brilliant >> It's music for a ballet. The music is a little more dissonant and difficult than most of Hopkins' soundtracks. There are occasional elements of the crime jazz, noir sound that Hopkins is famous for, but it is a slightly different side of Hopkins. I don't treasure it above The Hustler, Baby Doll, or The Yellow Canary soundtracks, but if you're a Hopkins fanatic, you should have a copy. It's quite rare. It might be a while before you see another copy. I suspect that you, being a huge Phil Moore fan, would probably dig it. It has elements of jazz and classical music like some of Moore's work. Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Re: Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 13:01:03 -0800 At 12:24 PM 03-03-01 -0600, Colleen wrote: >Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? Some records I have bought because the covers were great, but these were thrifted. Some I have bought because I liked the artist but had great covers (Raymond Scott "This Time With Strings" for example). Some I have bought because I was interested in the artist and then the cover turns out to be far better than the music (Ortolani's "Women of the World" for example.) Often a good cover does its job, it appeals to my senses enough and I pick it up and half the time buy it. But many times I wont buy it just because the cover is cool if I know that it's going to be boring because I know the group or composer. I actually used to do that a lot but my vinyl graveyard just kept growing too big and it just wasn't worth spending the money. Recently I picked up Ornette Coleman's "This Is Our Music" because I had never seen it before and loved the cover so much. I knew I was going to put it in a record frame. However I love Coleman anyway, so it was one of those win/win deals. There are some older jazz records with covers I find such amazing examples of graphic design that I really want to hunt them down for the art, but I highly doubt it will result in music I won't want to listen to or play for others. This leads me to wonder what some people's favorite covers and/or record packing is in their collections. Unlucky --- Mr. Unlucky presents Shoot To Kill, a weekly set of jazz, soundtrack music, Now Sound, and the occasional foray into international territory on Supersphere.com, Thursdays 1-2 p.m. (CST). Many past sets are archived for future listening pleasure. http://www.supersphere.com Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:04:44 -0600 While you're surfing through the (virtual) record racks at ebay, tune in this week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast. You'll find Latin spice by Esquivel, Mongo Santamaria, Chaquito and Bob Florence; crime jazz from "Burke's Law" and "77 Sunset Strip"; Louis Prima's rockin' organist Little Richie Varola; tunes by Googie Rene, Mel Henke and Vinnie Bell; plus relatively new stuff from Astroslut, Project Pimento and Arling and Cameron. To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the web, just visit: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Requires RealPlayer and a minimum 28.8 Internet connection. When you visit, enter our weekly giveaway and tour the album cover gallery! As always, comments and requests are welcome. Ringraziarlo per lo spazio! Darrell Brogdon The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 22:21:56 +0100 (CET) citerar "F. Cobalt" : > This leads me to wonder what some people's favorite covers and/or record > packing is in their collections. Danny Guglielmis and Dena's "Adventures in sound", "Dinner music for a pack of hungry cannibals" by Dave Harris, "Space Escapade" by Les Baxter, "Countdown" by Jimmie Haskell. The Frankie Stein covers and much much more... Different styles but I love em all. It is amazing, when I first started seeing these covers on the net -95 I was amazed. Then when I started hearing them I was even more amazed. I still are, I cant believe this is real, NOTHING CAN BE THIS COOL! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Barbarella 2001 Date: 03 Mar 2001 16:46:19 EST Lou must be on a day off, so here goes...... Cambridge, MA - If Jane Fonda could remake one of her films, she says she would produce a feminist "Barbarella", tweaking the 1968 science-fiction cult classic that opens with her performing a strip-tease. Describing the movie as "toxic to my heart", the result of low self-esteem, and an ingrained belief that she should please the men in her life, Fonda joined with the Harvard Graduate School of Education yesterday to call for new research and curriculums to help girls and boys avoid thinking that they should act a certain way because of their gender. The School of Education announced that Fonda has made the largest individual donation in its history, $12.5 million, to support her cause by creating a center on gender and education........Boston Globe, Saturday, March 3, 2001 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) Barbarella 2001 Date: 03 Mar 2001 23:03:44 +0100 > Fonda has made the largest individual donation in its history, > $12.5 million, > to support her cause by creating a center on gender and > education........ Damn, for that money she could have bought all members of this list a copy of the Barbarella soundtrack. Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Barbarella 2001 Date: 03 Mar 2001 17:31:03 EST In a message dated 3/3/1 5:04:36 PM, weirdomusic@wxs.nl wrote: >> Fonda has made the largest individual donation in its history, > >> $12.5 million, > >> to support her cause by creating a center on gender and > >> education........ > > > >Damn, for that money she could have bought all members of this list a copy > >of the Barbarella soundtrack. It just goes to show that she has yet to make peace with a 33 year old past....interesting, eh? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: (exotica) speaking of Zodiac Date: 03 Mar 2001 14:57:29 -0800 Colleen had asked about the Zodiac Cosmic Sounds. I'm sure alot of you know about another cool one about the signs of the Zodiac, but for those that don't and like that sort of thing, keep an eye peeled for: Soul Zodiac The Nat Adderley Sextet, written and narrated by Rick Holmes 1972 Capitol Records SVBB 11025 A gatefold, double LP featuring the very deep and soulful exhortations of Rick Holmes, a Los Angeles radio personality. he had a nightly show on KBCA-FM - a station big on jazz and artful eloquence - called "Rick's Family Affair". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Kapp Records Date: 03 Mar 2001 17:55:19 -0500 Kapp also had their "4 Corners Of The World" imprint. Referencing an inner sleeve, there were albums from... Francoise Hardy The Barclay Singers Boulou Lolita Gunter Kallmann England's Famous Band Of The Lifeguards Jorge Renan & His Guitar Combo Digno Garcia Teddy Mertens Bert Dahlander The Miracle Of Lourdes: A Live Recording Of A Pilgrimage To Lourdes Jose Guardiola Los Mayas Coronados Keith & Ken with The Jamaican Steel Band Kyriakos and His Orchestra Sergio Franchi Claudio Villa The Little Singers Of Milano Milva And didn't Kapp have some garage/psych bands on the roster? Yes? No? m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, March 4 Date: 03 Mar 2001 18:03:42 -0500 Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at: http://www.ckut.ca As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome. Space Bop #132 Italian Lounge Beat Party This week, we're playing some groovy tunes from Italy - mainly from the 60s and 70s. Roberto Fogu: Una Vergine Da Rubare "Ninfadelica" Nico Fidenco: Super Colpo da 7 Miliardi (Strade di Londra) "Italian Lounge Beat Party" Lee Selmoco Orchestra: Blue Media "Easy Tempo" Armando Trovajoli: Beat Trombone "(Italian Girls Like) Ear-Catching Melodies" Sandro Brugnolini & Luigi Malatesta: Bakenda Beat "Beat Vol. 1 - Lounge At Cinevox" Riz Ortolani: The Roaring Twenties "(Italian Girls Like) Ear-Catching Melodies" Giorgio Carnini: Piccolo Ma Beat "Ninfadelica" Romano Mussolini: Blues For Alexandra "Easy Tempo" Bruno Nicolai: Eugenie "Ninfadelica" Lee Selmoco: Itinerario B "Mosaico Psichedelico" Armando Trovajoli: Sessomatto "Easy Tempo" Piero Piccioni: The Chase "The 10th Victim" Piero Umiliani: Samba Mah Na "Svezia Inferno e Paradiso" Puccio Roelens: Due Per Due "Beat Psichedelico Alla Celluloide" Ennio Morricone: 4 Mosche Di Velluto Grigio "Beat Vol. 2 - Lounge At Cinevox" A. Sciascia & C. Anselmo: Fast Finger Fun "Beat Psichedelico Alla Celluloide" Piero Piccioni: Ti Ho Sposato Per Allegria (Shake - New Edit) "Italian Lounge Beat Party" Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening. cheryls@dsuper.net brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: (exotica) Ira Ironstrings Date: 03 Mar 2001 15:13:56 -0800 Most of us know that Louis F. Busch has one pseudonym: Joe "Fingers" Carr. Now I wonder whether he had two. Ira Ironstrings did a number of Warner Brothers LPs produced by Busch and arranged by Busch. The question is...who was Ira Ironstrings? On the cover of, I think, the first Ira Ironstrings Warner Brothers LP, there is a picture of a guy who looks like Joe "Fingers" Carr (and, of course, Lou Busch) carrying a banjo and wearing a Roman toga in front of a store front (the implication was that he was Nero about to watch the business go up in flames). Now, the real story might be revealed in this album: Joe "Fingers" Carr and Ira Ironstrings Together for the First Time, Warner Brothers WBS-1389 This one appears to be the last of four WB Ira Ironstrings albums. Anyone have an answer here? Right now I believe Lou=Joe=Ira. Byron ___...--''''***^^^^^^""""""^^^^^***''''---___ "You've got to stand for something or ||| you'll fall for anything." ||| ||| ---John Mellencamp ||| ||| ||| |||bag AT hubris DOT net Portland, OR, USA||| """^^^'''***----...__________...----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Stanley Wilson "Pagan Love" Date: 04 Mar 2001 00:19:44 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > Sometimes I wonder what will happen to my records when I pass away, the > funniest thing were to see them go back to a fleamarket,... I'm sure Stefan Kery will get all of them before that happens! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 03 Mar 2001 17:49:28 -0600 At 2:38 PM 3/3/01, Dj45rpm@aol.com wrote: >Another thing I've noticed more and more when I'm going on a garage sale ru= n >and asking if they have any records for sale are people either saying they'= re >holding on to their albums to sell on eBay or offering really scratchy and >not-so-rare records at ridiculous prices because they heard they were >"valuable". .... Has anyone else noticed this particular trend? More in antique stores than anyplace else. It's hard to tell if the rising prices are due to eBay or general inflation. I'm kind of surprised you're finding this trend at garage sales, David. I'd think the time and hassle factors of eBay dealing would discourage the amateurs. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:00:18 -0500 > I saw a Command record I may never see again: Dick Van Dyke singing! for > $15. I think they then paid Dick Van Dyke $20 to shut him up afterwards. Oddly enough, just 30 minutes ago I finished watching a video of the old Dick Van Dyke /Ann Margaret musical 'Bye Bye Birdie', circa 1961. Pretty sappy movie .... however one of the best scenes is when Rosie (Dick's girlfriend) decides to have a hot night on the town at the wildest club in town .... and discovers a full scale Shriner meeting happening in the basement, with everyone wearing a fez. The scene ends with all the Shriners chasing Rosie around the room. The music for this scene has a bit of an exotic middle east flavor, but for the most part is dominated by the Pop/Tin pan alley sound. My question. Are there any other movies from that era that feature such scenes of partying Shriners? Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Kenyon Hopkins query Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:13:50 -0500 At 01:50 PM 3/3/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: > > >Any Kenyon Hopkins collector on the list? I try to be. How is his "Rooms" LP? I saw >the cover and it looked brilliant It looked brilliant from the cover? Unfortunately I can understand that. But I never heard of it. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:54:07 -0500 At 02:38 PM 3/3/01 EST, Dj45rpm@aol.com wrote: > >Another thing I've noticed more and more when I'm going on a garage sale run >and asking if they have any records for sale are people either saying they're >holding on to their albums to sell on eBay or offering really scratchy and >not-so-rare records at ridiculous prices because they heard they were >"valuable". When I was getting rid of records last Fall, I would look at ebay and try to decide what would sell there and what wouldn't. If nobody was bidding on a record or if a lot of people had it up for auction, I sold it for a buck or so at a used record store rather than hold onto it for my eventual ebay auctions. I guess I could have held onto all of them but I can't tell you how liberating it was to get a thousand records out of here, records I never played, records I only kept because they supposedly "fit into my collection". It was my experience that the vast majority of pretty good lounge/exotica records were getting no bids whatsoever. From a buyer's point of view, the problem with ebay is the starting bid price. You almost never see a record start at less than five dollars. So the cheapest record I can buy will cost me almost 25 Canadian Dollars. Before ebay that was about the most I'd pay for any record. If you go to ebay for the odd "collector's record" that you've never seen anywhere else or it's been on your want list forever, then that kind of makes sense. If you end up paying fifty bucks for something you've always wanted, that can be rationalized. You can't really put a price on something you've always wanted. But when it comes to your average vaguely interesting record, ebay is bad news for buyers. And not that good for sellers either. Most of them don't sell. There's no question there are less records out there in the world because of ebay hording. I can't believe the crap people put on ebay with a minimum bid of five or ten or even fifteen dollars. That's the problem. Not the Free Design records but the Roger Williams records. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:56:01 -0500 At 02:51 PM 3/3/01 -0500, Domenic Ciccone wrote: > >I saw a Command record I may never see again: Dick Van Dyke singing! for >$15. That's neither an uncommon record nor a very good one. If you really want that, you will find it for less than 15. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr Chris R. Tame" Subject: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge Date: 04 Mar 2001 00:50:32 +0000 In article , Colleen Pyles writes > >I wanted to add to Vern's listing of his favorite "Ultra Lounge" >comps. with my favorites: >I also like Mondo Exotica -Vol 1 > Saxophobia Vol 12 track 14 Ebb Tide is good > > Crime Scene Vol 7 it's just sexy > Rhapsodesia forget what vol # didn't think I'd like it > but I loved it! >On the other hand, I did not like "A Bachelor in Paris" at all. > > >I found a really neat comp called "Music for a Bachelor's Den" which >has Linda Lawson's version "Like Young". (I just love that tune). > >Thought I'd share, >Colleen > > > > Colleen I've now bought these and I agree, they're all excellent. -- Dr. Chris R. Tame, Director Libertarian Alliance | "The secret of Happiness is Freedom, | 25 Chapter Chambers | and the secret of Freedom is Courage" | Esterbrooke Street | Thucydides, Pericles' Funeral Oration | London SW1P 4NN England Tel: 020 7821 5502 Fax: 020 7834 2031 Email: chris@rand.demon.co.uk LA Web Site: http://www.libertarian-alliance.com/ Free Life Web Site: http://www.whig.org.uk # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:40:02 -0500 At 12:24 PM 3/3/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote: > >Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there. >Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? >And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? Or do you want >that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether >or not you care for the music? I'm just curious. Colleen/sounding a >little like Alan... I have no clever comeback for that last comment. Before answering questions like this, I always like to point out the difference between a collector and an accumulator. Buying a record for the cover is something an accumulator might do. A collector might also do it but only if the collector is also an accumulator. Myself I am no longer an accumulator and I was never a collector. When I went through a bin of records, I would stop everytime I saw something that looked cool. Anything that was unfamiliar. Anything with certain kinds of imagery. A naked woman trying to cover herself with slabs of black vinyl. I could give a million examples but I'm sure everyone here knows what I'm talking about. If I liked the cover but I was pretty sure I wouldn't like the music, I would pay up to a dollar for it. If I really loved the cover but I was sure I wouldn't like the music, I might pay five dollars. But that hardly ever happened. If I liked the cover and I thought there was a chance I'd like the music, I'd pay up to five dollars for it. But that also hardly ever happened. Most of the times I bought a record just for the cover, I was at a thrift store and it was fifty cents or less. And usually, even if I bought a record mostly for the cover, I had some hope I'd actually like the record inside. When it comes to the thousands of records I bought when I was on my lounge, exotica, easy listening journey, you can't really separate the cover from the music. My pursuit of those records was based on the whole thing they represented for me. And the cover was inextricably part of it. And that's why I almost never bought the CD reissues. The music divorced from the original packaging seemed strange and out-of-place to me. Disembodied. As you know, I've now gotten rid of 90% of my lounge/exotica records and when I listen to that music, I listen on CDR's that I made myself from my ex-accumulation. You could say that it's disembodied. But I learned a long time ago that it's harder for me to like a record if I don't own it. The fact that I once owned these records obviously makes my CD's easier to listen to than the CD's containing music I've never owned on LP. What else did you ask? Do I want records simply because they're rare even if I don't like them myself? The short answer is yes, though I would substitute "cool" for rare. Yes I have that in me. But I'm always trying to get it out of me. And I'm always trying to get rid of the records I keep only because I think someday someone will come to my house and be impressed that I have that record. The fact that it's been years since someone actually went through my records is one of the things that makes it easier to get rid of that "weakness". But it will probably always be a factor. I told a story here, a year or so ago, about my relationship to Fela records. It's the same issue. I have ten records framed on the wall and about fifty on a shelf just because. Of the ten framed records, two are by Don Lonie, two are on Audio Fidelity and feature that fat moustachioed guy that ended up on a lot of their covers (he sort of looks like Sergeant Garcia from the old Zorro series) My favorite record cover is a tie between one by Richard Hayman which I call the "date rape" cover and an obscure on by the "comedian" Hap Happy. pheewww.... AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Kapp Records Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:40:21 EST In a message dated 3/3/1 5:55:44 PM, mace@ookworld.com wrote: >Kapp also had their "4 Corners Of The World" imprint. Referencing an inner >sleeve, there were albums from... in addition to mace's references .. also on Four Corners was .. "Roses Are Red My Love, Baby Violets Are Blue" by the You Know Who Group .. Ultra-Garage Rock...JB/one of the few rawk 45's saved in the kullekshun..ALSO ON KAPP--The Searchers first LP # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:43:37 EST In a message dated 3/3/1 7:07:12 PM, itsvern@attglobal.net wrote: >Are there any other movies from that era that feature such scenes >of partying Shriners? OK Vern, time to tap into the "Partying Shriners" genre....anyone? anyone???? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Mort garson Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:48:17 -0500 At 12:14 PM 3/3/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote: > > His question: Does anyone know aboout >this record or the guy who made it? It's true that Mort made an unusual number of crazy moogy records like the Zodiac ones and the Wozard of Id one. But like all these guys, he was also involved in a ton of more "normal" records. When I come across some generic-looking Now Sound record, if I find a name like Mort's on the back - or George Cates or Jack Pleis etc - it gives me a little hope. It will probably be okay and maybe it will be more than okay. One such Mort Garson record is "Symphony of Soul" by "Total Eclipse" (though it could be reversed) which is a pretty good heavily orchestrated Now Sound thing. I know I had a bunch of others but they're gone now. Doesn't spaceagepop have a Mort Garson page? AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:49:10 EST In a message dated 3/3/1 7:52:55 PM, azed@pathcom.com wrote: >From a buyer's point of view, the problem with ebay is the starting bid >price. You almost never see a record start at less than five dollars. Why would anyone in their right mind bother to deal with the headache that IS Ebay for UNDER fi'dolla (no holla')...Its simply not worth the aggravation (to me, anyway)...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dlsmay@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge Date: 03 Mar 2001 21:51:25 EST Linda Lawson also has a cut on the Sex Kittens in Hi-Fi series (Brunettes, I think) "Where the Flamingos Fly" and I also nabbed one off something called Betty Boop Musical Cabaret, which has her doing "Up Pops Love." Her sole album is very collectable and hard to find and hasn't been issued on CD. She was a regular on the 50s exotic TV series Adventures in Paradise. > I found a really neat comp called "Music for a Bachelor's Den" which >has Linda Lawson's version "Like Young". (I just love that tune). > >Thought I'd share, >Colleen > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: (exotica) LP to CD (Martin Denny, Polynesian Percussion) Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:54:39 -0800 Howdy folks. The nice folks at Mai Tai Records (uh, that would be me) have finally taken the plunge into LP to CD mastering. The conversion software (CD Spin Doctor) actually works and sounds pretty good. These are the LPs I converted Martin Denny - Exotic Percussion Martin Denny - Latin Village (these two on a "two-fer" CD) Si Zetner and Martin Denny - Exotica Suite (written by Les Baxter) George Cates - Polynesian Percussion (Hawaiian Exotica) Mark Renwick, Tiki Bob, and Paul Wages: in return for all your past generosity I'll be sending you these unless you would prefer I don't (sorry, Mark, it was these Denny LPs I had, not Exotic Love). If anyone else would like a copy, just let me know. I am eager to accept trades but that is not essential. Aloha, Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge Date: 03 Mar 2001 22:55:44 EST In a message dated 3/3/1 9:52:10 PM, Dlsmay@aol.com wrote: >Linda Lawson also has a cut on the Sex Kittens in Hi-Fi series . She >was a regular on the 50s exotic TV series Adventures in Paradise. Are DVD's or videos of this available? I have mega-dim mammaries of this show as an infant swathed in B&W TV-pioneering...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 03 Mar 2001 19:57:44 -0800 Almost every one of the CD-Rs I've received over the years from other poeple has come without a label on the CD. Many have, however, come with excellent booklets. I was under the impression that a label on the CD is a good thing for the CD-R, since the top surface is delicate. Do I have this wrong? Also, curious what others think about labels vs. booklets. I'd rather have a nice looking CD but maybe I am in the minority (and, of course, the most important thing is the content so either way a CD-R of cool tunes is always a great thing). -Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 03 Mar 2001 20:01:18 -0800 Colleen Pyles wrote: > > Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there. > Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? > And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? Or do you want > that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether > or not you care for the music? I'm just curious. Colleen/sounding a > little like Alan... As a child of the 80s I never buy LPs if I already have the CD. Some of the cover art on LPs is nice, but rarely worth buying just for that (esp. in Exotica genre, as opposed to some of the rock albums of the 70's). -Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) April fools gentlemen Date: 03 Mar 2001 23:33:34 -0500 Rob wrote: > And will people lay off the new guy? i wouldn't mind if you were molotov > cocktail toting, credit card hacking, anti-capitalist revolutionaries. But > short of that you're just not in a fucking reasonable position. OK, I give up! But let me leave this discusssion with one last serious thought. For me this had nothing whatsoever to do with business or money, this had to do with a certain "term" coming to mind after I read that post as I wondered to myself "what kind of person would say that?". As for telling Ebay users to take note, if I were one of those that had bid on that record and then read the post that followed, in this context, I know I'd be feeling mighty offended, and I don't offend easily! I think that regardless of its intent, the way it was worded and the context it was placed in was simply unfortunate. Let's leave it at that and hope there won't be a next time. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Napster dreams Date: 04 Mar 2001 00:28:36 -0500 Do I have this right? Napster is about to remove millions of songs by million-selling artists and other music that I would never have downloaded anyway. When they're finished removing all those cuts, it will become a trading post for people like myself who are mostly interested in hearing music by dead people who seldom have lawyers. Is this true? Or will Napster simply disappear? AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge Date: 04 Mar 2001 06:47:30 +0100 (CET) citerar DJJimmyBee@aol.com: > > > In a message dated 3/3/1 9:52:10 PM, Dlsmay@aol.com wrote: > > >Linda Lawson also has a cut on the Sex Kittens in Hi-Fi series . She > >was a regular on the 50s exotic TV series Adventures in Paradise. > > Are DVD's or videos of this available? I have mega-dim mammaries of this > show > as an infant swathed in B&W TV-pioneering...JB > Sure! all episodes are out on dvd, and dont forget to pick up the "history of outer space exotica" vol 1-4. Extremely great collection of rare videoclips from Les Baxter, Russ Garcia, Frank Comstock etc. Also on dvd. Bought my copies in dreamsville, only 50 cent's each! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clayton black Subject: Re: (exotica) Collectors. Date: 04 Mar 2001 12:45:31 -0500 > Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there. > Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? > And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? Or do you want > that LP because it is rare and to get it would be a "coup", whether > or not you care for the music? For me, it's the vinyl. I will, on rare occasions, buy an album with no cover (like when I got Jimmy Smith doing his version of Mission Impossible), but I always turn away a cover with no record. I bought Henri Rene's Music for Bachelors, knowing that the music was, to say the least, bland, but that was rare. I love the covers, and as Alan put it, the two are really part of one package. But when you get down to it, it's the music. I admire Alan's ability to part with his records--I think I need a few more years (I also don't just want to give them to a thrift store where I may make the mistake of buying them back again!). Lord knows I could use the room. But as for CDs vs. vinyl, I will always choose the latter. My reasons are not rational. They're dictated more by habit and emotion. I think I've always loved everything about vinyl records, and CDs just seem boring to me. They always have. I have plenty of them, but sometimes I forget that I do. Now that I think about it, I wish the CD slot in my computer would accommodate an LP instead. Favorite covers? I'm sure it's not on anyone's list, but I never could get over the used-car-salesman look of Jerry Murad on the cover of Cherry Pink & Apple Blossom White. The women in chains on the cover of Enoch Light & the Brass Menagerie are pretty outrageous (I had a hard time explaining that one to my 6-yr.-old daughter) but that doesn't constitute a "favorite." I guess I'd have to go with "Inside Sauter-Finegan." I might even buy that one with no vinyl. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 04 Mar 2001 00:51:15 EST In a message dated 3/3/1 10:57:06 PM, kevin@kevdo.com wrote: >labels vs. booklets. I'd rather >have a nice looking CD but maybe I am in the minority (and, of course, >the most important thing is the content so either way a CD-R of cool >tunes is always a great thing). Given a choice, id rather have the vinyl in its original form...its "purest expression" if you will...Barring my inability to obtain said vinyl..i really don't care as long as its not on cassette..i like CD's technically, but doubt I'll ever compare them to the vinyl product as it was originally released...Of course if its a recently released compilation of old OR new material, i only care about the material, not whether its on vinyl....IN other words, the original source if on vinyl, is my preference, but any mixup in the original source delegates it to CD status in which my preferences drop precipitously..Got that Larryboy?...LOL/JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Linda Lawson Date: 03 Mar 2001 23:57:18 -0600 > Linda Lawson also has a cut on the Sex Kittens in Hi-Fi series > Her sole album is very collectable and hard to find and hasn't been issued > on CD. Actually, it has. The Spanish label Fresh Sounds brought it out on CD a few years ago. I thought it had gone out of print, but Footlight Records still shows it in their online catalog. Check it out at: http://www.footlight.com/shop.html Thanks for the space. Darrell Brogdon The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retrolisten.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Linda Lawson Date: 04 Mar 2001 01:12:11 EST In a message dated 3/4/1 12:58:36 AM, dbrogdon@falcon.cc.ukans.edu wrote: >Thanks for the space. All due respect for a true exoticat, and few put more into it musically,...But is it really necessary to be thanked for space that doesn't have to be requested to begin with?? JB/big on omitting b.s. these daze with NO offense meant to NPR!~ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Kenyon Hopkins query Date: 04 Mar 2001 11:28:23 +0100 (CET) citerar alan zweig : > How is his "Rooms" LP? I saw > >the cover and it looked brilliant > > It looked brilliant from the cover? The producers might go, Here is a strange recording, call "X". He/she is strange too, he/she can make the cover to it. Just an idea... Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pearmania@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: Zodiac Cosmic Sounds Date: 04 Mar 2001 07:23:46 EST In a message dated 3/3/01 10:57:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, basichip@home.com writes: << I'm sure alot of you know about another cool one about the signs of the Zodiac, but for those that don't and like that sort of thing, keep an eye peeled for: Soul Zodiac The Nat Adderley Sextet, written and narrated by Rick Holmes 1972 Capitol Records SVBB 11025 >> These same guys made a second Zodiac record called Love, Sex, and The Zodiac. I Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 04 Mar 2001 13:22:32 +0100 alan zweig schrieb: > > I guess I could have held onto all of them but I can't tell you how > liberating it was to get a thousand records out of here BTW: did you sell these records singulary record by record? 1000s of them? I find it rather exhausting to do that on ebay - fill in this form for each record again and again. there should be a list form or something, with the possibility to bring a couple of similar objects to auction, yet posting these auctions singulary in the end. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 04 Mar 2001 13:28:40 +0100 Kevin Crossman schrieb: > Almost every one of the CD-Rs I've received over the years from other > poeple has come without a label on the CD. Many have, however, come with > excellent booklets. > > I was under the impression that a label on the CD is a good thing for > the CD-R, since the top surface is delicate. Do I have this wrong? > > Also, curious what others think about labels vs. booklets. I'd rather > have a nice looking CD but maybe I am in the minority (and, of course, > the most important thing is the content so either way a CD-R of cool > tunes is always a great thing). I like labels too. the problem is that often it's impossible to make a decent copy, especially when parts of the label ur unprinted or printed in "unprintable colors" like silver, white etc. another problem is that the lables have to be adjusted very exactly, otherwise you get problems with spinning the CDs. I haven't heard that a label is a protection for the CD and I cannot imagine why this should be the case. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Re: Ultra Lounge Date: 04 Mar 2001 13:35:21 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > Sure! all episodes are out on dvd, and dont forget to pick up > the "history of outer space exotica" vol 1-4. Extremely great > collection of rare videoclips from Les Baxter, Russ Garcia, Frank > Comstock etc. Also on dvd. > > Bought my copies in dreamsville, only 50 cent's each! > what??!?!! could you explain this a little better. and while you're in "dreamsville" again, could you pick up copies of the above mentioned for me too?!!! thank you Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 04 Mar 2001 13:58:38 +0100 Aah, the good ol' vinyl vs. CD discussion again! Didn't pop up for a while... One day someone should go through the archives and write a book on this subject. And how over the years the opinions have been slightly changing. Did I recognize a new tone in the last posts? In former discussions the question of sound was the main issue, now the users seem to getting used to the sound of the CD (or do they agree nowadays, that there isn't that much of a difference as they thought before?) and seem to enjoy the advantages in handling of the CD. Now the question of originality is seen in a more mysterious light: "Purest expression", what might that be? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) Napster dreams Date: 04 Mar 2001 14:06:38 +0100 Alan wrote: > Is this true? > Or will Napster simply disappear? It's owned by Bertelsmann now, isn't it? That means it won't disappear - soon it will just cost us a lot of money to download the latest Britney Spears track. Does anyone know what's going on with the other download sites, likes Scour and Gnutella. Are they still around? Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 04 Mar 2001 08:20:05 EST In a message dated 3/3/01 7:57:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, kevin@kevdo.com writes: << Also, curious what others think about labels vs. booklets. I'd rather have a nice looking CD but maybe I am in the minority (and, of course, the most important thing is the content so either way a CD-R of cool tunes is always a great thing). >> i agree with kevin. and his cd's are the best i have seen. both booklets AND cd labels. i have not gotten into the cd label making yet (because of time limitations) but i usually do a little booklet with art work, notes, etc. when i get non labeled cd from people i at least write on them what it is and make a little tray liner notes and spine titles. i keep all my cd's in standard jewel cases (for uniformity). i know some people rag on the Ultra Lounge series but the liner notes and pictures are spectacular. they actually one the grammy in the CD design catagory once. i know the music is "the" thing to most, but i like the whole package. and sorry i have not posted much lately. i have been way busy with a couple of big projects at home and work. welcome to all the new members who has signed up since December (when my postings started to drop off). balmy regards, tiki bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay Date: 04 Mar 2001 08:25:46 EST In a message dated 3/3/01 11:30:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, basichip@home.com writes: << Byron oh so correctly pointed out: > Many of these items I would never have found in any other way! < This is the key to it for me - a factor so important that it just cannot be overlooked. >> BINGO, BINGO, BINGO. I don't know what I did before Ebay. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Wages Subject: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge Date: 04 Mar 2001 09:28:28 -0500 > Are DVD's or videos of this available? I have mega-dim mammaries of this show > as an infant swathed in B&W TV-pioneering...JB If I recall correctly, Eddie Brandt's Saturday Matinee (a rental-by-mail place out of Hollywood) has VHS copies of both Adventures In Paradise and Hawaiian Eye. My memory is based on the 1997 catalog. No time to find the address right now, but I'm sure a web search will turn up something. Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Fwd: Re: (exotica) Kapp Records Date: 04 Mar 2001 11:16:07 -0500 Forwarded on behalf of litlgrey: >Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 18:24:56 -0500 >From: >Subject: Re: (exotica) Kapp Records > >Kapp produced the first two Silver Apples classic records in 1968 and 1969, >and would have produced the third as well had Kapp not encountered serious >money troubles and had the band not been pursued with a vengeance by Pan >American Airways for their "misuse" of Pan Am materials on the second LP. >My roommate has copies of the Kapp LPs which he kept all through the years, >and the original Silver Apples Simeon and Danny Taylor signed them for him >shortly after they were reunited by a loving WFMU DJ in 1999. Raw tapes of >the still unfinished album were unearthed by Danny Taylor in his attic - >having been remarkably ignored by parasites and by time itself - and are now >availble under its original name "The Garden" from Simeon's label Whirlybird. > >-- >Peace Out >Choppa Choppa >Bang Bang >Hackü Maimü >Where's da WUV™? > >Sun Ra on your PC... The CyberSpace Ministry >http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=litlgrey >or go to http://live365.com >Search keyword: Sun Ra # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 04 Mar 2001 08:50:15 -0800 Moritz R wrote: > I haven't heard that a label is a protection for the CD and I cannot imagine why this should be the case. Well, they do sell special pens that can write on CD-R surfaces w/out scratching the disk. Of course, maybe you're right and that is just a sales ploy. :-) -Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) 3 from the Scout Report Date: 04 Mar 2001 12:12:48 -0500 > From: Lou Smith > Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 23:48:59 -0500 > To: exotica@xmission.com > Subject: (exotica) 3 from the Scout Report > > 13. The Merchants of Cool -- PBS [RealPlayer] > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/ > > The companion site to this week's excellent _Frontline_ explores the > symbiotic relationships between teens, the media, and the creators > and sellers of popular culture. In the program, _Frontline_ > correspondent Douglas Rushkoff interviews marketers, media > executives, cultural/media critics, and members of the teen market > that the former are so desperately trying to reach (and create). > Among other things, Rushkoff explores the "mook" (young male) and > "midriff" (young female) stereotypes and the marketing of supposedly > anti-establishment rage rockers. At the site, visitors can explore > the major themes of the film, read interview transcripts and the > reactions of teens who viewed the program, and learn about some of > the companies and media giants featured in the film. Also included > are a discussion list, a teacher's guide, and some additional short > features. [MD] Thanks to Lou for info on this site. Frontline's one of the best things on TV, and the website is excellent. The local PBS is erratic in its showing of Frontline, however, so I hope I get the chance to see it eventually. On an unrelated matter, despite my recent (and self-contradictory) disavowal of digital format music, for those of you who like Arabic music, http://www.mazika.com/ has tons of good mp3s from Egypt, Lebanon, and the Gulf. Ehab Tawfik, Ragheb Alam, and Hani Shaker are personal favorites. The download time is pretty quick as well. I don't have Napster and have almost no experience ftp-ing files, so I've missed most of the controversy on that, but if you're something of a novice, like me, and dig just about anything from the Middle East, this is the place for you. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "james brouwer" Subject: (exotica) Tomorrow's "Back-Ward" Playlist, March 5 Date: 04 Mar 2001 18:24:46 -0000

The Back-Ward can be heard Monday afternoons from 2:00 pm to 3:00 pm EST on CFRU 93.3fm in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Comments & questions welcome.

The show is also available in RealAudio. Click on "Listen to us live via the net" at:
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~cfru-fm/

 

tomorrow's show:

Jaguar - John Gregory

A Bird In The Hand - Artie Butler, "Harrad Experiment" OST

Back Stabbers - Rogen-Denjean & Co.

Marathon Suite - Francis Lai, "The Games" OST

Unkown Worlds Montage - "Unknown Worlds", Holt's Impact lp

Circle - Bruno Nicolai, 'De Sade 70" OST

Zero Gravity - Nik Pascal

Men Are Different - "Unknown Worlds", Holt's Impact lp

The Cat - Ruth White, "Flowers Of Evil" lp

Girl's Game - Eskimos of Hudson's Bay, Folkways lp

These Are Troubled Times - New Creation, "Troubled" lp

My Pal Foot Foot - The Shaggs

The Spook - Pete Drake, "Forever" lp

Earth - Ze Ramalho and Lulu Cortez

Ocean - Velvet Underground

"The Back-Ward" is a show featuring cool soundtracks from the 60's and 70's;
exotica; lounge; now-sounds; incredibly-strange; tropicalia;
forgotten country and western; obscure garage & psychedelia; funk/70's
instro'; moog; early high-brow electronic; industrial and/or post-punk from the
late 70's/early 80's. More recent material may creep in from time to
time.
 
thanks for reading and/or listening
jb

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# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 04 Mar 2001 14:04:57 -0500 >Aah, the good ol' vinyl vs. CD discussion again! Didn't pop up for a >while... One day someone should go through the archives and write a book on >this subject. And how over the years the opinions have been slightly >changing. Did I recognize a new tone in the last posts? Just a few years ago I was listening to this old guy who's been playing the same records for 40 years and he siad something I will never forget. It was so funny. "For the past hour we have been playing records and not a single compact disk. You know how much trouble they can be!" He's been playing more CD's now. But still tons of vinyl. Disclamer! It's not Jimmy! ;') _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Collectors. Date: 04 Mar 2001 14:04:22 -0500 > This leads me to wonder what some people's favorite covers and/or > record packing is in their collections. My favourite is "Vegetarian Bavarian in Exile". A 12" record with only the outer grooves on one side recorded and the rest of the record is a sculpture of a mountain with a bunch of lost figures in Lederhosen (Bavarians). It plays, and was produced by a record dealer who also runs his own label in Holland which continues to produce limited edition musical art objects. Another is Mark Mothersbaugh's cassette version of "Musik for Insomniaks" on the Japanese TRA label, on a gold cassette and with a set of Mark Mothersbaugh playing cards included in the costom fit box! The biggest challenge is how to store these things! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 04 Mar 2001 13:31:49 -0500 > >Another thing I've noticed more and more when I'm going on a garage sale run > >and asking if they have any records for sale are people either saying they're > >holding on to their albums to sell on eBay or offering really scratchy and > >not-so-rare records at ridiculous prices because they heard they were > >"valuable". .... Has anyone else noticed this particular trend? > More in antique stores than anyplace else. It's hard to tell if the rising > prices are due to eBay or general inflation. I'm kind of surprised you're > finding this trend at garage sales. I don't know if its just a problem of finite supply or dealers hoarding for Ebay but I can say I have not for some time now, found anything in vinyl worth buying at most of my usual haunts. I have noticed higher starting prices in the stores, but also less stock is moving. There have been slow periods before but I can't help but wonder how much is now being kept in anticipation of potential high auction prices. I think Alan is correct in saying that Ebay is no threat as people will search this service for something particular but are no more likely to buy junk records online than they would in a store, especaily with postage costs and minimum prices. Brian.. Hoping for a good find to make winter more bearable... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Barbarella 2001 Date: 04 Mar 2001 11:41:43 -0800 Well if Jane Fonda wanted to remake "Barbarella" she lost her chance. Drew Barrymore is in the middle of producing and starring in the remake at this moment. I can hear all the sighs. Just another one of those movies that doesn't need to be remade, being remade. Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if anyone didn't know. Unlucky --- Mr. Unlucky presents Shoot To Kill, a weekly set of jazz, soundtrack music, Now Sound, and the occasional foray into international territory on Supersphere.com, Thursdays 1-2 p.m. (CST). Many past sets are archived for future listening pleasure. http://www.supersphere.com Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) "The Moritz" Date: 04 Mar 2001 15:16:49 -0500 Mo! You've been reincarnated as a sofa: http://www.leathercenter.com/html/catalog/contemporary/moritz.html "Exemplify the essence of the East. The embrace of the Moritz is the quintessential element in your home for a peaceful mind." (It's a framed site, and this link busts the frames. If you want the "intended" presentation, link via the domain name and click through to "2001 Catalog".) --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Two Tv Tonight Date: 04 Mar 2001 15:27:43 -0500 Last minute, but... A 2 hour history of burlesque on A&E at 8:00pm and Midnight (eastern). Hopefully this won't be the usual cookie-cutter cable documentary. "Destination Moon" (1950) on TCM at 1:30am. Music by Leith Stevens. Special appearance by Woody Woodpecker. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) Re: Polyester card Date: 04 Mar 2001 22:23:37 +0000 > From: "Magnus Sandberg" > > Polyester I saw on its premiere in Sweden, I was just a kid back then, > so I did not think it gave me that much (Except when one guy gets his > head cut off ;) That I loved.) I saved the "smell paper" a long time, > the pizza smell was still there 7-8 years after. Then I lost it when we > moved to a new house. There are several cards on sale on ebay, at a price actually ranging from 1.25 to 20 dollars. I still have mine (and it still stinks, some 15 years after!) but my daughter has just drawn moustaches on Tab Hunter's and Divine's faces. I had forgotten the movie (and the card) featured Dead Boy (literally: R.I.P.) Stiv Bators. Ciao Gionni # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 04 Mar 2001 16:36:12 -0500 At 01:22 PM 3/4/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote: .> >BTW: did you sell these records singulary record by record? 1000s of them? I find it rather exhausting to do that on ebay . I sold most of the records by the box. I sold them for anywhere from fifty cents to three bucks each but what it came down to was estimating a price for each liquor store box of them. Some I sold for more than that. Some I sold for as much as ten or twenty dollars each but I had to go to specific stores for that. I guess I could have held onto them for ebay but instead I used the money for trade-ins. I haven't sold any on ebay yet because I don't have a credit card to pay for the listings. I held back a few hundred to sell on ebay but so far I've only bought on ebay. That however is probably finished. I bought forty records there. Half of them were almost worth the ridiculous money I spent on them. But the other half make the whole thing not worth it. It's not "ebay's fault". It's my fault for bidding on records that look interesting, all the while forgetting that 40 dollars is way too much to spend on something that you've never heard anything about. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 04 Mar 2001 16:58:23 -0500 At 01:58 PM 3/4/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote: > >Aah, the good ol' vinyl vs. CD discussion again!. Did I recognize a new tone in the last posts? In former discussions the question of sound was the main issue, now the users seem to getting used to the sound of the CD (or do they agree nowadays, that there isn't that much of a difference as they thought before? I think there is a difference but I've also gotten more used to the difference. I think one can still argue that vinyl sounds better than CD even if we have a hard time explaining what we mean by better. And no one can argue if you simply say "This is what I'm used to and this is what I will continue to prefer". For me it's a matter of what I'm used to hearing on vinyl and what I'm used to hearing on CD. I don't question the sound of a CD if that's the only medium in which I've heard the music. For me, Kruder and Dorfmeister go with the digital medium. One of the reasons I can switch from vinyl to CDR is that the CDR's I make from vinyl, sound like vinyl. I'm not sure if that makes sense but I guess there must be a huge difference between recording off an actual record and whatever they do when they reissue something that was originally recorded analogically. I also believe in what they call "digital fatigue". But in the end, I can suppress any of those feelings because I just want to hear so much, I can't let the differences in sound matter to me all that much. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Shiman" Subject: (exotica) Playlist for Dial-ated Pupils: March 3, 2001 Date: 05 Mar 2001 00:40:07 Can anyone tell me about this Richard Christensen character? I played something from his "Muve" LP on my show. It's his godawful "poetry", which he intones over the music with this overblown sense of drama. Like that William Shatner record. The music is heavily orchestrated, late 60's string-laden stuff with a slightly psychedelic vibe, arranged and conducted by one "Tartaglia", another mysterious character. Christensen also does his bit on the electronic piece "There's a Good Earth out Tonight", easily the best thing from the Mystic Moods' "Extensions" LP. Like, who was this guy? -Dan ARTIST SONG ALBUM FORMAT LABEL HENRY MANCINI Baretta's Theme (Keep Your Eye on the Sparrow) The Cop Show Themes LP RCA JOHN GREGORY ORCHESTRA Streets of San Francisco TV's Greatest Detective Hits LP Mercury FERRANTE AND TEICHER Hong Kong Soul Brother In a Soulful Mood LP United Artists ROD MCKUEN Tokyo Time of Desire LP HiFi RICHARD CHRISTENSEN Spires Muve LP Capitol BEAVER AND KRAUSE Spaced In a Wild Sanctuary LP Warner Brothers MYSTIC MOODS ORCHESTRA There's a Good Earth Out Tonight Extensions LP Philips PERCY FAITH Black Magic Woman Black Magic Woman LP Columbia ARMANDO TROVAIOLI The Imposter Treasure of San Gennaro (Soundtrack) LP Buddah THE 3 RING CIRCUS Fantastic Voyage Groovin' on the Sunshine LP RCA LES BAXTER Boca Chica Que Mango! LP Alshire JOHNNY KEATING'S KOMBO Delilah Percussive Moods LP Phase 4 JOHNNY KEATING The Sacrifice The Keating Sound LP Phase 4 ARTIE BARSAMIAN Nene Aman More Belly Dance LP Fiesta PIERRE NOLES Shake Away Everybody Dance the Ay Bo Le LP Coral EXUMA Junkanoo The Junk Band and Daddy Ya Ya LP Mercury DAKTARIS Voodoo Soul Stew Soul Explosion CD Desco GUY DUROSIER Carolina Acao Riviera Hotel presents Souvenir d'Haiti EP 7" Riviera Hotel presents Souvenir d'Haiti JEAN DE VRES AND HIS AFRO-DRUMS Voodoo Spirit Song Exciting Voodoo! LP Buckingham RICHARD HAYMAN Gris Gris Voodoo! LP Mercury KAIWAZA Voodoo Moon Hawaiian Holiday LP Wyncote ROBERT DRASNIN Voodoo Percussion Exotique LP Tops LES BAXTER Voodoo Dreams Jungle Jazz LP Capitol PRESTON EPPS Call of the Jungle Bongo Bongo Bongo LP Original Sound HERBIE MANN/JOHNNY RAE'S AFRO JAZZ SEPTET Jungle Fantasy Herbie Mann's African Suite LP United Artists Hear! "Dial-ated Pupils" -- every Saturday 4-6 pm CST exclusively at www.radio1austin.com. I will lead you safely through the perilous dark jungles of Austin's scratchiest record collection. Exotic jazz. Obscure Latin, Afro, and Eastern grooves. Easy listening arcana. Bring your bug spray. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001 Date: 04 Mar 2001 09:24:00 -0600 Unlucky wrote: Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if anyone didn't know. ***************************** Does anyone know who is starring in it? Did I hear a rumor tha Geoge Clooney was in it? Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otto Subject: (exotica) The Polynesians Date: 02 Mar 2001 23:23:10 -0800 Does anyone have additional information about this band? I have listed the lps that I have and am wondering if there are others or other information besides the actual records The Polynesians stood out to me very early on when I only had about 20 Hawaiian records and I found their Beautiful Hawaii record. It is markedly better than the rest of the Hoale stuff and better than the traditional Hawaiian stuff (though not as good as Denny or Lyman in my book) Later when I got their second (?) lp with the liner notes about them being the house band at an infamous Tiki restuarant called The Polynesian, they were ensconced in my heart! All of their records are on Crown, none have dates so I am guessing on some of the chronology here based on cover art. Crown originally used liner notes with a short list of their other records but later switched to having the same back on all releases and this is the common lisitng of seemingly every record on their label with 6 pictures on the left and large triangle/arrow that is grey. After that design they used "Music for every Mood" with sixteen covers filling the back of the lp. According to the back Crown label listings here are The Polynesians records: CST 113 Aloha Hawaii CST 163 Blue Hawaii (not credited to The Polynesians probably in hopes that buyers would think it was the real Blue Hawaii soundtrack) CST 169 Polynesia (also not credited) CST 214 Beautiful Hawaii CST 223 Hawaii Calling CST 271 Hawaiian Paradise CLP 5265 Lovely Hawaii CLP 5304 Hawaiian Sunset CLP 5519 Hawaiian Love Songs "Aloha Hawaii" this is The Polynesians first lp CST 113 and appears to be the 13th lp on the Crown label cover is a generic shot of Waikiki from Matson collection has the original back with liners band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Lani Sang, with Sam Koki Songs: To You Sweetheart Aloha Song of the Islands Lovely Hula Hands Beyond the Reef Kalua Tomi Tomi Loch Lomond Beauty Hula Pulupe Aloha Oe "Blue Hawaii" I only have the generic back version of this cover band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Freddy Tavares, Bob Nichols, Joe Guerro, Joe Keawe Songs: Ke Kali Nei Iau (Hawaiian Wedding Song) Blue Hawaii Isle of Golden Dreams Mauna Wili Hula Aua Chant Sweet Leilani Makala Pua Maui and Maui Girl Island Moon Kou Kino Mambo "Polyneisa - The music of Hawaii-Tahiti-Samoa" I have 4 copies of this record, all four have different covers Two have the liner notes and are numbered CLP 5136 and CST 169 (stereo) the other two are obviously more recent pressings as they have the backs mentioned above This has a great cover shot in front of The Polynesian Tiki restuarant with a Hawaiian couple with an outrigger and a Tiki on one side of a waterfall and the band in the foreground on the other side of the waterfall Back liner notes are by John Marlo with a shot of The Polynesian band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols featuring Ben Chapman with Freddie (sic) Tavares and Ernie Tavares (any relation to the Tavares family that started the disco band Tavares? They were from Los Angeles!) Songs: Tahitian Festival Tamure Marcelle A Vahini Minoi Minoi Vana Vana Cafe Au Lait Papio Vahine Anamite Tanga Tika Maruru A Vau "Beautiful Hawaii" Cover appears to be the same shoot as Polynesia. liner notes are by John Marlo I have two, one is CLP 5191 and has the generic back the other is CST 214 (stereo) and has liner notes and a short listing of Crown records ranging from numbers 101 - 221 The stereo version is on red vinyl!! band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols with Joe Keava (sic?) songs: Pagan Love Song Orchid Lei Lei Makamae (Original Hawaiian Wedding Song) Te Manu Pukarua Kamahula Moon of Manakura Utere Utere Farewell and Aloha Ua Like no a like Na Hala "Hawaii Calling" Cover shot is on a beach. and has songwriter credits on the cover, generic back band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols with Bernie Kaii, Ernie Tavares, Marie Terangi songs: Little Grass Shack My Yellow Ginger Lei Princess Pupule Lullaby of Birdland Tanga Ta Hura Hura (Marie Terangi) Little Brown Girl Lehua (Kaapuni-Kaii) ASCAP At the Barefoot Bar (Kaapuni-Kaii) ASCAP Hawaiian War Chant Tahiti Nui (Marie Terangi) "Hawaiian Paradise" generic back band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols songs: Kings Serenade My Hawaii Nei Momi Lei Mahina Go Around the Island Lani Kai Lovely Tahiti Mai Poina One Two Three Four Bora Bora "Lovely Hawaii" I thought I read somewhere that this was their fifth lp but if the catalog numbers are correct than this would be their seventh. Generic back Front probably shot at The Polynesian. Band has really cool Tiki shirts band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols songs: Song of the Isle Hawaiian China Doll Nakulu Mele Aumoe Moana Lua Shadows of the Night Lovely Lei Ilima Stars Shining O'er Hawaii Puuwai Ue Ue - O'tuu "Hawaiian Sunset" I have two copies of this one Titled as Richard Kauhi and the Polynesians featuring Harry Baty, Bob Nichols, Bernie Mattison, Bernie Allen songs: Remember Be Sure For You and I Beautiful Kaala I Love Your Eyes Aina Hau Ua Like, No A Like (the only repeat title so far!!) Hawaii Land of Enchantment Hilo Bay Honolulu I Love You My Hawaiian Home "Hawaiian Love Songs" MONO this has the later generic back with 16 covers no band members listed songs: My Hawaii Nei Momi Lei Mahina Go Around the Island Aloha Oe Lani Kai Lovely Tahiti Mai Poina ONe Two Three Four Bora Bora # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 04 Mar 2001 09:35:54 -0600 Alan wrote: I guess I could have held onto them for ebay but instead I used the money for trade- ins. I haven't sold any on ebay yet because I don't have a credit card to pay for the listings. I held back a few hundred to sell on ebay but so far I've only bought on ebay. ******************************** You could put them up for sale on the list only... we could all bid on them, against each other, pay way too much and end up cursing you.\ Sounds like FUN! Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) The Polynesians Date: 04 Mar 2001 22:58:36 -0500 >band: Harry Baty, Sam Kaapuni, Bob Nichols featuring Ben Chapman with >Freddie Tavares and Ernie Tavares (any relation to the Tavares family that >started the disco band Tavares? They were from Los Angeles!) Freddie Tavares worked in R&D with Leo Fender at Fender (drew up the mechanical drawings for the Stratocaster among other things). He was also a busy session musician on steel guitar. Some sources say he did the steel guitar swoop at the beginning of Looney Tunes cartoons (some sources say other people did it -- maybe various people did it at different times). He was born on Maui in 1913, got his start in the business playing steel for Harry Owens' Royal Hawaiians orchestra in the 30s. Migrated to LA with the orchestra in the 40s. Ernie was his brother, who also played with the Royal Hawaiians. Freddie might still be alive. At least I don't remember hearing that he "took a cab" (to use Vic Mizzy's excellent phrase). No idea about any relative connection to the disco band. m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Indy Rutks" Subject: Re: (exotica) Oceans Eleven 2001 Date: 04 Mar 2001 22:20:36 -0600 Colleen wrote: > > Unlucky wrote: > > Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if > anyone didn't know. > > ***************************** > > Does anyone know who is starring in it? Did I hear a rumor tha Geoge > Clooney was in it? According to http://www.imdb.com/ , here's the cast : George Clooney .... Danny Ocean Brad Pitt .... Dusty Ryan Casey Affleck Julia Roberts .... Beatrice Ocean Miguel Pérez (I) .... Explosives Cop J.P. Manoux .... Aide-de-Camp rest of cast listed alphabetically Alan Arkin .... Saul Bloom Scott Caan Don Cheadle .... Basher Matt Damon .... Linus Zerga Andy Garcia Elliott Gould .... Ruben Tischkoff Edward Jemison David Jensen (II) Bernie Mac Rusty Meyers .... Security Guard Bill Murray .... Nick the Lounge Singer -Indy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Ebay, Record Dealers and Collectors Date: 04 Mar 2001 23:17:27 -0500 Alan wrote: > It's not "ebay's fault". It's my fault for bidding on records that look interesting, all the while > forgetting that 40 dollars is way too much to spend on something that you've never heard > anything about. This is probably the main reason I decided a few years back to officially drop my want list, you now, that list of things any serious collector keeps on them at all times and gives out to other collectors in the hope they may have something. I think it was partly because a lot of what I was looking for was so obscure, I realized I would never find the huge majority of it, and partly because I became convinced that anything really good would be reissued (some very obscure recordings are appearing as legit reissues these days!) Mainly though, I couldn't justify paying a lot of money for records I thought were good because of the label or artist connection, that I read were good, or that I saw on other want lists and subsequently added to mine. There are a few I would buy just to complete a set but the truth is I may have just lost interest in searching. I recently passed up on early Foetus 7"s at $50+ each thinking I don't want them that bad, only to find I could download the damned things off Napster! Now THAT was never an option before, and to be honest it's all I need... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 04 Mar 2001 23:17:16 -0500 Alan wrote: > I think one can still argue that vinyl sounds better than CD even if we have a hard time > explaining what we mean by better. And no one can argue if you simply say "This is what > I'm used to and this is what I will continue to prefer". I really notice vinyl defects when I record from it. By defects I mostly mean what the turntable transfers, ie rumble and power hum, and what the cartridge transfers, ie crackles and pops. Its something I've forgotten all about with CDs and maybe as a result I notice it more. I still insist a good CD player can match the quality and warmth of vinyl but Alan's right when he says its all in what we're used to. Sound is a very subjective thing and if you don't believe me read a few articles in audiophile magazines! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods Date: 04 Mar 2001 21:40:50 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >The kind of records I value is still often ignored here. As a compliment >I order stuff from America, becase there I can easily find great items, >so what shall I do? -Magnus Well, the best thing to do, if you aren't dead set on specific titles is to find someone in the US with access to good fleamarkets who will scoop of a batch of stuff that looks promising and ship them to you. You can't pick and choose that way, but you get the thrill of digging through unknown stuff. Here's an offer... I live in Los Angeles where we have a record swap meet every month. I'll go to the swap meet and buy you twenty records that fit within the percussion/exotica/easy listening genre in good shape that look good to me... You'll have to let me know what artists you have covered already, so I avoid duplication as much as I can. It will probably cost me between forty and fifty dollars. Most easy listening records cost between 1 and 5 dollars here. I'll ship those to you sea mail at no charge. In return, you send me the same quantity of european recordings from 1960 and earlier that fit into the categories of big band, jazz, swiss yodelling, accordian music, and strange ethnic music. Not european pressings of American records... Europen bands. If you can find record collections of really early european pop music from the teens through the thirties, even better. Are these sorts of records available in the bins where you live? I have heard recordings of european orchestras who play "American style" big band and swing with vocals in strange languages and they sound very amazing to me. I have heard a couple of yodelling records from the early fifties that sound like they are from Mars. One of my prized CDs is a collection of "sweet band" foxtrots from Nazi Berlin. I know there is good stuff in your area that we just can't get here in the US. I imagine I would be as happy in your thrift stores as you would be in mine. If it works out, we can gather together more batches... does that sound practical? Let me know if this interests you. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 04 Mar 2001 21:40:53 -0800 >From: Moritz R > >Did I recognize a new tone in the last posts? In former >discussions the question of sound was the main issue, now the users seem >to getting used to the sound of the CD (or do they agree nowadays, that >there isn't that much of a difference as they thought before?) If record companies went out and found pristine pressings, and transferred them directly to CD with no alteration, I would be gung ho for CD's. Unfortunately, the people who re-release records feel that they know *better* than the original artists who produced the music. They feel that they are obligated to "correct" the quaint, antiquated "mistakes of the past", and express their own creativity at the expense of the original artists. (Who are long dead and gone and unable to complain.) This results in music that is proccessed and packaged like luncheon meat... stupid, kitch covers that focus on trendiness and demean the talent of the musicians who made the music... liner notes with cocktail recipes, but NO MENTION of the musicians and their careers... music with grossly unrealistic EQ settings, making acoustic instruments sound like buzzy synthesizers... older recordings muted and dulled by draconian digital filters just to remove all traces of a slight amount of unobtrusive surface noise... random collections of completely unrelated tracks selected for no other reason but novelty value, not musical value... deceptive packaging, repeating the same tracks previously released in another "best of" with just a sprinkling of new material... I take CD reissues on a case by case basis. CD's are more convenient and portable. But they haven't been produced well in a lot of cases. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers Date: 04 Mar 2001 21:40:52 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to >ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I >hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are >disappearing! -m.ace I haven't noticed that where I live. The thing about ebay is, something worth a dollar or two isn't really worth paying the listing fee for. If you put a hundred dollar records in ebay, and most of them pass, you could be stuck with a pretty big piece of change in fees on relatively valueless stuff. There are less obvious high ticket records at the swap meet, but that's OK by me because I don't care to spend over a few bucks on a record. The funny thing about swap meets is that the EXACT SAME record in the EXACT SAME condition can be at one guy's stand for sixty bucks, and three stalls down for five. It all depends on who prices it. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 04 Mar 2001 21:40:55 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 16:58:23 -0500 >From: alan zweig > >I think one can still argue that vinyl sounds better than CD even if we >have a hard time explaining what we mean by better. The best way to prove it is to do an A/B comparison. >For me it's a matter of what I'm used to hearing on vinyl and what I'm used >to hearing on CD. I don't question the sound of a CD if that's the only >medium in which I've heard the music. I'd prefer to hear the mix and mastering that the artist approved. A lot of the records that we appreciate were aimed at hifi nuts. The artists took an active part in the mixing and mastering of the music. Many records are like auditory movies, with very careful contrasts in sound, perspective and balance. That is as much a part of the music as the melody or performance itself. >One of the reasons I can switch from vinyl to CDR is that the CDR's I make >from vinyl, sound like vinyl. I've had that exact same experience. Why don't commercial releases sound that good? See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Music vs. Covers Date: 04 Mar 2001 21:40:49 -0800 >At 12:24 PM 3/3/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote: >> >>Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there. >>Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? ALWAYS the music. It's all about the music... >>And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? I'm not happy with the sound of most CD reissues. They compress it and de-noise the life out of it. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dlsmay@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Ultra Lounge Date: 05 Mar 2001 02:08:40 EST They're not legally available but I've seen them bootlegged. Same guy I use for 77 Sunset Strip and Honey West, has (what looks to be) the entire run of this. Linda was featured as a singer/lounge owner, but only for one or two seasons of its run. I'll try to find the address. He doesn't do anything over the web as far as I know, but he does advertise in Outre/Filmfax. --David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) The Polynesians Date: 05 Mar 2001 13:27:11 +0100 (CET) citerar Otto : > > Does anyone have additional information about this band? > I have listed the lps that I have and am wondering if there are > others or other information besides the actual records No sorry, but I have heard "Lovely Hawaii" and it was really good, a nice cover too. Definetely LPs to search for. You have quite a bunch. Nice to see you are posting again, Magnus -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Bigelow Subject: (exotica) Ira Ironstrings Date: 05 Mar 2001 06:47:00 -0600 bag@hubris.net wrote: >Most of us know that Louis F. Busch has one pseudonym: Joe "Fingers" Carr. > > >Now I wonder whether he had two. > > >Ira Ironstrings did a number of Warner Brothers LPs produced by Busch and >arranged by Busch. The question is...who was Ira Ironstrings? Ira was Alvino Rey. There's a new page on Ira at the Space Age Pop page: http://www.spaceagepop.com/ironstri.htm I learned the truth about Ira from Stan Cornyn, ex-Warner Brothers exec and the king of liner note prose. And yes, there is a page on Mort Garson at Space Age Pop as well: http://www.spaceagepop.com/garson.htm Switching back to now. Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods Date: 05 Mar 2001 08:19:22 -0500 > I have heard recordings of european orchestras who play "American > style" big band and swing with vocals in strange languages and > they sound very amazing to me. I have heard a couple of yodelling > records from the early fifties that sound like they are from Mars. > One of my prized CDs is a collection of "sweet band" foxtrots > from Nazi Berlin. I know there is good stuff in your area that > we just can't get here in the US. I imagine I would be as happy > in your thrift stores as you would be in mine. The local public radio station in Bloomington, Ind. used to play a show called "Northern Lights," and I once recorded from it some terrific big band music from Finland. Big band music and ballroom dance are both very popular there--even the Finnair pilots have their own band. Finnish is definitely an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:37:01 +0100 (CET) citerar Clayton Black : Finnish is definitely > an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing. We have lots of finnish people in Sweden, to my joy since there are special TV shows for them from the finnish Television. There are a lot of documentaries of artists living in the forest making strange art, just like in the old days here. Finland is different from Sweden, even though they border to us. But I guess we're becoming more alike all of us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv serials, thank you very much. :( Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods Date: 05 Mar 2001 06:35:07 -0800 At 08:19 AM 05-03-01 -0500, Clayton wrote: >Finnish is definitely >an oddball language, but it sounds great when they sing. Isn't Finland the country where Vaartinaa (I think I am mispelling it-- I heard it pronounced "var-tin-AW") is from? I first heard this group of female vocalists in 1996 on CD and think they are great! Perhaps it is the language, but it is also the harmonic blendings which are more Slavic than anything, which makes this group so unique to my ears anyway. Of course, their songs deal with unusual but important subjects which focus on women's lives. This may also be a reason for their success...they sing like they have purpose, like they care. Hard to tell when you don't speak the language, but they sound very articulate yet also sound like they are having fun. Byron ___...--''''***^^^^^^""""""^^^^^***''''---___ "You've got to stand for something or ||| you'll fall for anything." ||| ||| ---John Mellencamp ||| ||| ||| |||bag AT hubris DOT net Portland, OR, USA||| """^^^'''***----...__________...----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers Date: 05 Mar 2001 08:55:48 -0600 At 9:40 PM 3/4/01, bigshot wrote: >The funny thing about swap meets is that the EXACT SAME record in the >EXACT SAME condition can be at one guy's stand for sixty bucks, and >three stalls down for five. It all depends on who prices it. True of record shows too. I'd guess it also depends on how long the record has been in stock and how eager the dealer is to get rid of it. At one record show I saw Free Design's Kites are Fun for $12 at one booth and for $25 at another. Condition didn't seem to effect pricing. Haven't seen a $50 price spread for at a show though. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods Date: 05 Mar 2001 09:49:02 -0500 > Isn't Finland the country where Vaartinaa (I think I am mispelling it-- > I heard it pronounced "var-tin-AW") is from? I first heard this > group of female vocalists in 1996 on CD and think they are great! > > Perhaps it is the language, but it is also the harmonic blendings which are > more Slavic than anything, Careful what you say to the Finns--don't tell them their music is Slavic. People are touchy about ur-culture in that part of the world. Yes, Vaartinaa (it's spelled with umlauts, and it might have another n) is from Finland. I like them too. The best track I've heard from them is on an "Arthur" (you know, the lovable ardvaark on PBS) CD. It's supposed to be the song for Binky Barnes (the tough kid who needs a nightlight). Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 05 Mar 2001 09:20:29 -0600 Speaking of Finns and Swedes, I got into a minor tussle with a Swedish guy recently. Didn't a Finn cover Elvis tunes in Latin...and aren't there also Finnish radio shows that broadcast in Latin? My Swedish pal said he'd never heard of such a thing. Lots of Finns in Sweden, like Magnus said, and he thought Latin was as dead in Finland as anyplace else. Did I misremember? I thought the Finn-Latin connection had come up here before. Head-scratching Mimi Magnus wrote: >We have lots of finnish people in Sweden, to my joy since there are >special TV shows for them from the finnish Television. There are a lot >of documentaries of artists living in the forest making strange art, >just like in the old days here. Finland is different from Sweden, even >though they border to us. But I guess we're becoming more alike all of >us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv >serials, thank you very much. :( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jenna Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001/Ocean's 11 Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:06:33 -0500 fcobalt@lycos.com wrote: > Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if anyone didn't know. > Wasn't "Ocean's 11" sort of a remake in itself? We rented "Seven Thieves" with Edward G. Robinson and a very saucy Joan Collins the other night and it was almost identical to Ocean's 11 - with a slight change of ending. Anyone know anything else about it? Jenna # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster dreams Date: 05 Mar 2001 15:39:45 +0100 Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek schrieb: > Alan wrote: > > > Is this true? > > Or will Napster simply disappear? > > It's owned by Bertelsmann now, isn't it? That means it won't disappear - > soon it will just cost us a lot of money to download the latest Britney > Spears track. I don't think this is entirely true. The news about it are rather confusing: First Napster said it's impossible to automatically filter out registered tracks. Actually *ALL* tracks are somewhat registered, so this is bullshit from the start. However: then the music industry presented a list of 5600 tracks that they wanted to be filtered out immediately - all the current big selling hit records, BUT: if you change just one letter in the title of the song, you can trick them out, so they won't be satisfied with that solution in the long run anyway. AND: it means basically: we care for our big sellers, all other artists - i.e. all the small, independent artists will not be protected, people like Tipsy and Don Tiki et al. So I don't see why this will be really a dream come true. (We discussed this before: I still don't see why artists we like, starting from Martin Denny and not ending with the mentioned members of this list (me too!) should not get paid for the music they bring to all of us, but I won't discuss this again). Finally Napster said, they will charge their customers in the future and give part (!) of the money to the artists as royalties, which again means, that the big sellers will get most of the money, unless they develop a technical system, where each song is registered singularily and the money is transferred to the referring artist, song by song, download by download, a system that Napster currently doesn't have. All in all I don't think your dream - if you still want to call it one - will come true as you dream it, AZ. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) "The Moritz" Date: 05 Mar 2001 15:44:11 +0100 "m.ace" schrieb: > Mo! You've been reincarnated as a sofa: > > http://www.leathercenter.com/html/catalog/contemporary/moritz.html > > "Exemplify the essence of the East. The embrace of the Moritz is the quintessential element in your home for a peaceful mind." :-D I'm not a specialist in Buddhism, but don't you have to die, before you can be reincarnated? Just asking... Mo PS: Wait a minute! After seeing "The Sixth Sense"... m-m-maybe I'm dead already? -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 05 Mar 2001 15:39:43 +0100 Kevin Crossman schrieb: > Moritz R wrote: > > I haven't heard that a label is a protection for the CD and I cannot imagine why this should be the case. > > Well, they do sell special pens that can write on CD-R surfaces w/out > scratching the disk. Of course, maybe you're right and that is just a > sales ploy. :-) uuh... you don't write on the side of the CD that is read by the laser, do you? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Re: huge Burlesque show!! Date: 05 Mar 2001 16:11:28 +0100 mon dieu! how did you get *that* job? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) "The Moritz" Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:36:23 -0500 > > Mo! You've been reincarnated as a sofa: > > > > http://www.leathercenter.com/html/catalog/contemporary/moritz.html > >:-D I'm not a specialist in Buddhism, but don't you have to die, before >you can be reincarnated? Ummm, must be a case of premature reincarnation. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001/Ocean's 11 Date: 05 Mar 2001 09:45:17 -0600 > Wasn't "Ocean's 11" sort of a remake in itself? We rented "Seven > Thieves" with Edward G. Robinson and a very saucy Joan Collins the other > night and it was almost identical to Ocean's 11 - with a slight change of > ending. Anyone know anything else about it? I don't think "Seven Thieves" was a remake of "Ocean's Eleven". They both came out the same year (1960) and "Seven Thieves" was based on a novel by Max Catto. It's a terrific film, BTW. From the mid-50s through the mid-60s, there's a wonderful sort of sub-genre of moves like this that might be called "caper films". A small group of experts come together to pull off an impossible heist. "Seven Golden Men" is a good example of the genre. Others include "Five Against the House", "The Asphalt Jungle", "They Came to Rob Las Vegas" (rare soundtrack by George Georges Garvarentz) , "Caper of the Golden Bulls" (music by Vic Mizzy!), "Topkapi", etc. There are lots more. For my money, the two greatest caper films are a couple of European films: "Rififi", directed by Jules Dassin and which spawned a bunch of sequels (the film's centerpiece is the 28- minute heist sequence, filmed in total silence --no dialog or music) and "Big Deal on Madonna Street", a comedy which spoofs the whole genre. Sorry if this is off-topic. I just like caper films! Darrell Brogdon The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Hall Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 05 Mar 2001 11:24:35 -0500 On a somewhat related (surf / new exotica) note, the last 4 = V=E4rttin=E4 releases were produced & mixed by Laika & the Cosmonauts drummer/leader Janne Haavisto, who also plays percussion & put together the drum loops = etc. 2 V=E4rttin=E4 tracks were covered by the Cosmonauts as bonus tracks on = the US version of their "Instruments of Terror" (UPST 005) CD, probably my = fave 90's surf disc. on Mon, 5 Mar 2001 clayton.black@washcoll.edu wrote: >Careful what you say to the Finns-don't tell them their music is = Slavic. >People are touchy about ur-culture in that part of the world. Yes, >Vaartinaa (it's spelled with umlauts, and it might have another n) is = from >Finland. I like them too. The best track I've heard from them is on = an >"Arthur" (you know, the lovable ardvaark on PBS) CD. It's supposed to = be >the song for Binky Barnes (the tough kid who needs a nightlight). > >Clayton A friend of mine made me a tape of this, by a Dr... hmm, can't recall. = But yes, a Finnish gentleman exists who has indeed translated & covered = Elvis in Latin. Tape's at home, I'll have to check.=20 Meanwhile, the Swedish Elvis may be found at http://www.algonet.se/~pergunne/ljud.html =20 on Mon, 5 Mar 2001 mimim@texas.net wrote: >Speaking of Finns and Swedes, I got into a minor tussle with a Swedish = guy >recently. Didn't a Finn cover Elvis tunes in Latin...and aren't = there >also Finnish radio shows that broadcast in Latin? My Swedish pal said = he'd >never heard of such a thing. Lots of Finns in Sweden, like Magnus = said, and >he thought Latin was as dead in Finland as anyplace else. Did I >misremember? I thought the Finn-Latin connection had come up here = before. >Head-scratching Mimi ***************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 05 Mar 2001 17:43:51 +0100 (CET) I wrote: >But I guess we're becoming more alike all of > us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv > serials, thank you very much. :( What a meaningless judgement, I am sorry. I have so many nice american friends and to blame them for something I dont like is not worthy a swede. Once again sorry, there are still things made of gold to be found... From America too. Since I was a child America has been the provider of cool, things strange, pretty and totally kneeslapping funny. It is just that genre films nowadays are so rude and cruel, so faschist. I'll just watch something else instead of complain. My biggest excuses to all americans on the list, I like you very much! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 05 Mar 2001 12:18:33 -0500 on 3/5/01 10:20 AM, Mimi Mayer at mimim@texas.net wrote: > > Speaking of Finns and Swedes, I got into a minor tussle with a Swedish guy > recently. Didn't a Finn cover Elvis tunes in Latin...and aren't there > also Finnish radio shows that broadcast in Latin? My Swedish pal said he'd > never heard of such a thing. Lots of Finns in Sweden, like Magnus said, and > he thought Latin was as dead in Finland as anyplace else. Did I > misremember? I thought the Finn-Latin connection had come up here before. I'm not sure about the Latin connection, but I do know that the tango is hugely popular in Finland, and there is a specific musical style of Finnish tango (if I recall, they utilise the chromatic accordion rather than the bandoneon). We have a large Finnish community around here - out where Dominec lives actually, about 50 miles from Boston - that has huge tango parties on summer weekends (in a place with saunas as well) br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:03:36 -0800 (PST) Hey, we're just trying make everybody mellow and peppy. I mean, what it must do to a person to view those depressing Bergman films of virgin sacrifice and knights playing badminton with death, year in and year out... What the devil reinforces the national if not global appetite for this ongoing US ersatz circus maximus output such as Cops, Survivor, Scroggery Island, Friends, Malcolm in the Middle, Jim Carrey, etc. What does it say of the yearnings and intent of our silent masses (or as the Russians used to refer to their then passive populace, "the dark people")that such product is regurgitated year in and year out. Is it a sort of cow-like complacency? Are our desires and tastes manufactured for us and reinforced by vigorous advertising? Do the (corporate) governments of the west use this subcretinous programming for the same reason dentist offices and shopping centres used Muzak: to lull us into a sense of artificial ease, to forestall dissent. We are all cattle in the pen. Never doubt it. Mooooo Drink Coca-cola Pepsi. Be all you can be. Toyota Corolla, -BashoW --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: seeing the same dumb american > movies and tv > serials, thank you very much. :( __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (approx.) Date: 05 Mar 2001 13:06:32 -0500 I feel the reason that our CD-R's sound better is the fact that most of us have less access to the tools to tinker with. This, however, is nothing too new. Back in the early 80's a record store owner/collector was bemoaning the extremely variant quality of reissues. Some were quite good (some of Rhino's and Chess, before MCA latched onto them) and the others were a horrible mess of fake stereo and altered covers. "Why don't they just put out the reissue in straight sound lahk [he had a weird accent - Ed.] Route 66 does?", said my friend (who, by the way, wrote the liner notes to the Varese Sarabande LPs of the Twilight Zone) I found that most of the European companies found the best vinyl copies they could, if there were no obtainable masters and put out what they had. Route 66 in particular had at least one fan in Ruth Brown, who was contacted by the label before they issued her material. Not to let off the hook entirely, Red Lightning's "In My Younger Days" by Junior Wells is a great record, but one side of it is taken from bad 45's and 78's and the noise reduction that they used makes for dropouts in the music. The most egregious example that comes to mind is the tinkering that they did with the Robert Johnson reissue. Glad beyond words that it was done, but the sound was worse than the vinyl (King of the Delta Blues Singers Vol. 1. Vol. 2 on vinyl sounds really awful) which some engineer and producer decided to "fix". As I have stated before, we have had about 100 years to figure out vinyl and roughly twenty to figure out the digital realm. By sheer dint of time, it is easy which one will sound better, by and large. And yes, there are better sounding CD's than LPs and vice versa, just as there are paintings that are better than photographs and vice versa and other mailing list that are INFERIOR TO US! I SAY INFER... You get the picture. Reaching for Digitalis, Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: (exotica) Doctor Ammondt (repost. Date: 05 Mar 2001 13:17:13 -0500 Lou Smith, king of the links, sent the following a while ago: HELSINKI, Finland (AP) -- Elvis lives -- even in the long-dead language of Sumerian. A Finnish professor who has recorded two albums of Elvis Presley songs translated into Latin now plans to record some of them in Sumerian, a language that died out about 4,000 years ago. Jukka Ammondt said Friday that the first track he plans to record is ``Blue Suede Shoes.'' In that Sumerians had neither suede nor shoes, per se, the title translates into ``Esir Kus Za-gin,'' literally ``sandals of leather of the color of a blue gem.'' Unlike many rockers who don't care if their singing is comprehensible, Ammondt is concerned about enunciation. ``I'm not sure about my Sumerian, but they say Finnish is well-suited to pronouncing Sumerian because it's such a phonetic language,'' said Ammondt, a literature professor at the University of Jyvaskyla, 160 miles north of Helsinki. Not that there will be anyone around to criticize if he mispronounces a few words. Sumerian, used in the lower Euphrates River valley in what is now Iraq, died out as a spoken language in about 2000 BC. Ammondt's recordings have novelty value, but also reflect the wide interest in languages in Finland, where almost everyone is at least trilingual. National radio even has regular programming in Latin. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:43:08 -0800 (PST) hope you're not responding to my reponse. I meant that to be humorous. And besides, you were absolutely correct. The bulk of our films and television programming is, obviously, crap. (The curious thing is that we're - or is it they're? - able to export it) And in the cinemas - we now have to sit through commercials before the film. That means we are paying corporations to bombard us with advertisements. It is time for a revolution (wake me when it's over. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz). --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: > > What a meaningless judgement, I am sorry. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Hey mister Brad! Date: 05 Mar 2001 20:04:46 +0100 (CET) I'll have to interrupt your lurking! You gotta add a Don Ralke LP to your Space Age Pop website, "Bongo Madness" Crown CLP 5019. Or does that not qualifie? I think much of it sound exotica, it's a great album! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:20:44 -0500 At 08:55 AM 3/5/01 -0600, Mimi Mayer wrote: .> >. At one >record show I saw Free Design's Kites are Fun for $12 at one booth and for >$25 at another. Condition didn't seem to effect pricing. Next time that happens, buy them both. Alan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 05 Mar 2001 20:21:23 +0100 (CET) citerar Ben Waugh : > > hope you're not responding to my reponse. I meant that > to be humorous Tell that to the FBI! Mooo Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Lest we forget!....... Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:18:28 -0500 Had a laugh the other night. I put on Lenny Dee "Dee-Licious" (with that ridiculously funny cover of = the D man lounging in a hammock while two dangerously young and innocent = lasses feed him chocolate bon-bons by his side). My bro was there and = said "Holy Shit! They should put a warning label on that LP that it can = cause irrepairable insanity!!" (He's got the twisted sense of humor too). Then he went on laughing that it sounded like the power-supply was having = extreme fluctuations - that's D's style to mmmmMMMM , daaaaDDAAAAAA and I = had to laugh because he was right - sounds exactly like the organ was = being run by a hand-cranked generator and the guy was getting tired!!! Man, to imagine Mom's and Pop's everywhere groovin' to these sounds on the = console stereo sometimes boggles the mind! And there I sat writing bills acting like this was "normal" music - ah, = I'm lost I tell ya.......!! :-) - Nate =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) caper films Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:35:08 -0500 At 09:45 AM 3/5/01 -0600, Darrell Brogdon wrote: .> >From the mid-50s through the mid-60s, there's a wonderful sort of >sub-genre of moves like this that might be called "caper films". A >small group of experts come together to pull off an impossible >heist. "Seven Golden Men" is a good example of the genre. >Others include "Five Against the House", "The Asphalt Jungle", >"They Came to Rob Las Vegas" (rare soundtrack by George >Georges Garvarentz) , "Caper of the Golden Bulls" (music by Vic >Mizzy!), "Topkapi", etc. There are lots more. I think you're throwing too many dissimilar films into one bag there. "Asphalt Jungle" is more film noir than "caper film". I'd be willing to invent a term lke "heist film" in order to differentiate serious, sad, dark films like "Asphalt" from funny, happy films like "Oceans Eleven" (the novelization of which is one of my prized possessions). Or maybe it's the difference between the fifties and sixties sensibilities. I'd also differentiate between films where you know they're going to fail and films where you figure they'll probably succeed. I like them both but obviously I prefer the failures. Actually "Asphalt Jungle" is one of my favorite films of all time. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!....... Date: 05 Mar 2001 20:38:09 +0100 (CET) I come into an argument with my six year old nephew, his younger brother wanted me to play a record on my turntable, but before I had time to choos a record the 6 year old went: 'NOOO!!! Not that bad ooold music!' I exploded and I turned to him and said: 'YES! BECAUSE OLD MUSIC IS MUCH BETTER THAN NEW MUSIC!' I took it very personal, it wasnt a question of "he is just a kid". The young one isn't lost yet, he begs me to show him Flip the Frog cartoons on my dvd player. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 05 Mar 2001 11:45:59 -0800 This results in music that is proccessed and packaged like luncheon meat... stupid, kitch covers that focus on trendiness and demean the talent of the musicians who made the music... liner notes with cocktail recipes, but NO MENTION of the musicians and their careers... music with grossly unrealistic EQ settings, making acoustic instruments sound like buzzy synthesizers... older recordings muted and dulled by draconian digital filters just to remove all traces of a slight amount of unobtrusive surface noise... random collections of completely unrelated tracks selected for no other reason but novelty value, not musical value... deceptive packaging, repeating the same tracks previously released in another "best of" with just a sprinkling of new material... I agree with this matter. The first time I think I became irritated with CDs and reissues was with a Julie London CD. I'd been looking for another copy of Around Midnight. I found this compilation called Time for Love, which essentially stole the cover from Around Midnight, but make a selection of "best of" tracks. And then there were only two tracks from Around Midnight. Given how great Around Midnight is, there are so many songs to choose from, and two relatively uninteresting ones were put on the compilation. I thought, what kind of ridiculous audacity to reuse the Around Midnight cover for a compilation that largely ignores songs from the album it took its cover from? And THEN, when I finally found the Around Midnight album on CD, it was a two-for-one deal (a plus of course) but an IMPORT, making the matter even more ridiculous. It's almost like here in America, we can't appreciate our own musical heritage unless we do it with a sort of wink-wink nudge-nudge air, or package it and organize it to pander to an imagined audience who might get too bothered if the music is too edgy, or too "challenging" or too, I don't know what. I mean we already know Julie did a lot of soft, creamy songs, which is part of what makes her appealing, but she did a lot of sexy songs too, but maybe that was too much for the crowd Rhino imagined this "best of" for. Sure Rhino has done a lot of great things -- the Handmade series especially -- but they just love to cheese things out, like people won't get it unless it's kitschy enough, and that's really sad. Unlucky --- Mr. Unlucky presents Shoot To Kill, a weekly set of jazz, soundtrack music, Now Sound, and the occasional foray into international territory on Supersphere.com, Thursdays 1-2 p.m. (CST). Many past sets are archived for future listening pleasure. http://www.supersphere.com Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mimi Mayer Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers Date: 05 Mar 2001 15:05:51 -0600 >>. At one >>record show I saw Free Design's Kites are Fun for $12 at one booth and for >>$25 at another. Condition didn't seem to effect pricing. Alan quipped: >Next time that happens, buy them both. Hee. Actually, I saw a guy about to buy the $25 Kites and told him about the $12 booth. A sucka move, I know. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: (exotica) Close Encounter of the Exotic Kind Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:55:27 -0600 Hi All, I just returned home after spending the week in LA. As I was waiting for my flight to depart yesterday, I decided to ankle on over to the Encounter Restaurant for lunch. I must say that this place is the very soul of retrohip; giant lava lamps, moonscape bas reliefs on the walls and lots of curvaceous stainless-steel furnishings. As an added bonus, the food and drink is outstanding; tasty and very nicely presented! I had an exquisitely unique MaiTai along with a truly delish spicy chicken salad that had obviously been created by a group of postmodern deconstructionist chefs. Next time I visit, I'll have to be sure to do it at night when the interior is lit up in all of it's blue and purple glory. I also made my usual stop at Oceanic Arts in Whittier (I grew up about 3 blocks away) and scored a couple of mugs. They were selling a set of those glass Disney World Polynesian Village mugs on consignment, so I picked up one of them along with a cheaper mug in the shape of a Hawaiian maiden in a lei and grass skirt. They were also selling Shag's new line of mugs which looked very...well...Shaggy. I had unfortunately missed the big Book of Tiki signing party held there a week or so previously. I had a very nice chat with co-owner Bob Van Oosting. Before I left, Bob gifted me with a handful of Tahitian swizzle sticks. I know that there are people here on the list that've been involved with the Encounter, either as DJs or in helping them set up their events. Does anyone know what tune they play in the elevator as you're whisked up into Jetsonsville? It was some sort of 101-stringish type tune with a wordless female vocal. Very apropos in setting the mood. -- Matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Oceans Eleven 2001 Date: 05 Mar 2001 16:08:52 EST In a message dated 3/4/1 11:18:15 PM, rutks002@tc.umn.edu wrote: >George Clooney .... Danny Ocean >Brad Pitt .... Dusty Ryan always good to see fresh faces (yawn) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 05 Mar 2001 14:31:26 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of F. Cobalt > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 11:46 AM > matter even more ridiculous. It's almost like here in America, we > can't appreciate our own musical heritage unless we do it with a > sort of wink-wink nudge-nudge air See, that's what I don't like about the Ultra-Lounge series. I can actually say a lot of good things about the series, primarily because they were my introduction to the wonderful world of exotica (those and my parents' record collection). But no matter how handsome the packaging is (and the selections themselves are excellent), there's still something that rubs me the wrong way... Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 05 Mar 2001 17:51:57 -0500 >See, that's what I don't like about the Ultra-Lounge series. For me, it is the constriction of one label. Capitol didn't have Martin Denny, RCA didn't have Yma Sumac, etc. Variety is the Spice, Tomorrow is the Question! Ornette Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: (exotica) Waring on my nerves... Date: 05 Mar 2001 18:15:48 -0500 Q:What is the law? A:Not to walk on all fours! Q:What is the second law? A: When you see a record that has Fred Waring on it and "Philly Dog", buy it! OK, so YOUR edition of "The Island of Dr. Moreau" is a tad different than mine, but sure as there's a silent CK in Bruce Cockburn, I bought a record that featured Fred Waring and Fred, Jr. on it and one side is instrumentals conducted or something by Fred Waring, Jr. and it isn't half bad; for a dollar, it's pretty good. The A side is so "Now Sound", it features a version of... ...Kites Are Fun!! Free Design of Four! Sir Arthur Conan Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Linds" Subject: (exotica) Three haircuts Date: 05 Mar 2001 15:40:24 -0800 Hi everyone. Thanks a ton for your Fakes and Frauds responses. Does anyone out there have a copy or dupe of The Three Haircuts doing You Are So rare To Me or Going Crazy. The Three Haircuts were Sid Ceaser, Car Reiner and Howie Morris. There's a good write up on them in the Hollywood HiFi book. Brian Linds # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!....... Date: 06 Mar 2001 01:04:27 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > I exploded and I turned to him and said: 'YES! BECAUSE OLD > MUSIC IS MUCH BETTER THAN NEW MUSIC!' You mean I could just take any record or CD, lock it away, and after a while it would automatically turn into good music? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Fleixi-Discs Date: 05 Mar 2001 18:00:48 -0800 A thread on the 78 list notes that the last manufacturer of flexi discs, (the plastic sheets that were inserted in magazines) just discontinued manufacturing them. It's time to drink a toast to another fun format biting the dust. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: Re: (exotica) Fleixi-Discs Date: 05 Mar 2001 21:39:59 -0500 At 06:00 PM 3/5/01 -0800, Stephen Worth wrote: > >A thread on the 78 list notes that the last manufacturer of flexi >discs, (the plastic sheets that were inserted in magazines) just >discontinued manufacturing them. It's time to drink a toast to >another fun format biting the dust. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Actually, I was surprised they'd continued making them until now! Just for the historical record, here's the press release from Eva-Tone (http://www.evatone.com) : Eva-Tone Extra, Fall 2000 Soundsheet Product Line Retired At the end of the year 2000 Eva-Tone employees and customers bade a fond farewell to one of our oldest product lines - the Soundsheet. This farewell comes with mixed emotions as the Soundsheet was the major springboard to Eva-Tone's success and provided a unique contribution to education, publishing and marketing in the last half of the 20th Century.=20 The Soundsheet technology was also used to bring recorded books and magazines to the blind and visually impaired through the Library of Congress' National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped. We are proud of our association with this program that has endured for almost 40 years, and has prolonged the life of the Soundsheet. December 2000, The Library of Congress honored our 34 year volume of work in serving the Blind with the presentation of a special award of merit to Dick and Luckie Evans. Today, Eva-Tone is a thriving turnkey provider of Compact Discs, Cassettes, Multimedia, Printing, Packaging and Fulfillment. New technologies are the key to our continued growth.=20 But our company would not be here at all, if it weren't for this little thin plastic phonograph record. Though outmoded now, Eva-Tone Soundsheets provided a revolutionary way for people to use recorded sound 40 years ago and allowed Eva-Tone to flourish through change.=20 Other reasons to visit the site include: Take our new Virtual Tour, and see what Eva-Tone is all about. This virtual visit will give you an inside view of each of our operations. Get a feel for our size and capabilities. There are ten departments you can visit, from CD manufacturing to cassette operations, pressroom and fulfillment operations. Each one has been photographed in a 360-degree process that allows you to rotate your view in a full circle=85plus move up or down to get a more complete picture of the operation. Bet you'll find it more than interesting. We can show you how to add a virtual visit to your website, too. Interested in history? Our new visual Timeline shows where Eva-Tone came from and some milestones along the way. The company is 75 years old this year, with over 450 talented employees to serve you. Our founder Richard Evans would love for you to see what his dream has actually become. =3D=3D=3D=3D Lou # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert blahut Subject: (exotica) casino royale Date: 05 Mar 2001 20:44:09 -0600 just wondering if anyone caught the screening of this fine example of the 60's movie yesterday afternoon on AMC? is there a soundtrack available, or just a cd comp of the main title theme? thanks, tablah # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist for Dial-ated Pupils: March 3, 2001 Date: 05 Mar 2001 22:12:52 -0500 At 12:40 AM 3/5/01, Daniel Shiman wrote: > > > >ARTIST SONG ALBUM FORMAT LABEL > > >PERCY FAITH Black Magic Woman Black Magic Woman LP Columbia >THE 3 RING CIRCUS Fantastic Voyage Groovin' on the Sunshine LP RCA >JOHNNY KEATING'S KOMBO Delilah Percussive Moods LP Phase 4 Good choices! Can you get this online? I don't really know what else to say about those cuts except that I own them and I like to see them here, especially the Three Ring Circus. Do you ever play the vocal cut "Lovin Machine"? That's the one I tend to put on compilations more than any other. Looks like the coolest town in America has three of the coolest members on this list (not to mention two of the... how many women are here anyway?). AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 05 Mar 2001 22:19:59 -0500 Oh boy, here's a new copy prevention system for audio CDs: http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?985 Silly rabbits, music is for big corporations. m.ace mace@ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001 Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:03:24 -0600 Sharon Stone would be a very good choice Colleen ---- Begin Original Message ---- Sent: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 20:33:35 -0800 Yeah, I heard Clooney, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, and possibly Julia Roberts. I would have thought maybe Sharon Stone. On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:24:00 =A0 Colleen Pyles wrote: >Unlucky wrote: > >Steven Soderbergh is remaking "Oceans 11" right now as well, if >anyone didn't know. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0***************************** > >Does anyone know who is starring in it? =A0Did I hear a rumor tha Geoge >Clooney was in it? > > > Colleen >_____________________________________ > >Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com > Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html ---- End Original Message ---- Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) Re: hmmm Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:10:54 -0600 Good! I thought the Fcc got your website too! Colleen ---- Begin Original Message ---- Sent: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 05:50:49 Dang Colleen I'm not having any problems getting to the Radio1 website, or my show's page. =A0Hmmm. =A0Maybe it's a web browser thing - I'm using = Internet Explorer. =A0Thanks for the tip though and for checking out (or trying = to at least) our humble station. see ya! Dan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---- End Original Message ---- Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) casino royale Date: 05 Mar 2001 22:16:05 -0600 robert blahut wrote: > just wondering if anyone caught the screening of this fine example of > the 60's movie yesterday afternoon on AMC? Yeah, it's a hoot. Never fails to make me laugh and shake my head just at the sheer everything AND the kitchen sink wackiness of it. I keep telling my wife that she needs to get a machine gun installed in her bagpipes just like Ursula Andress. > is there a soundtrack available, or just a cd comp of the main title theme? Yes, there's a bonafide soundtrack out there. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods =?iso-8859-1?B?oE9u?= Finland Date: 05 Mar 2001 10:37:02 -0600 magnus wrote: >But I guess we're becoming more alike all of > us, for good and bad, seeing the same dumb american movies and tv > serials, thank you very much. :( *********************** Magnus, don't apoligize for saying that! We have the dumbest TV shows in the world! (With the exception of some british sitcoms) No offense taken...believe me! Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 05 Mar 2001 21:07:31 -0800 Moritz R wrote: > uuh... you don't write on the side of the CD that is read by the laser, do you? What did I do to get so needlessly flamed?!? ;-) Thanks alot, Mo! Jeeze folks I'm not a total idot... :-) The side read by the laser is the top, right? -Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) "Tikiville" Date: 05 Mar 2001 22:30:45 -0800 > > I think I'd rather watch SCTV's "Polynesiantown". speaking of SCTV-anyone know where I can get some videos of that show? I am especially interested in the ones where Andrea Martin (I think this is her name) is wearing leopard skin clothing and playing the organ, as well as the perfomances of Sammy Maudlin. Christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Re:=20(exotica)=20Different=20Neighborhoods=20=A0On=20?= Date: 06 Mar 2001 08:58:44 +0100 (CET) citerar Colleen Pyles : > Magnus, don't apoligize for saying that! We have the dumbest TV > shows in the world! (With the exception of some british sitcoms) No > offense taken...believe me! > Allright Coolleen, but I still felt I went to far, and there are no point at all to complain over situations far away from the "exotica" issue. I am very glad to have the oppurtunity to be able to speak with people who is as entuastic over this as I am. And about "the real world" out there, actually I am lucky as long as they are not putting me in a concentration camp: This is hip hop. This is eurotechno. We will make you appreciate the beauty of it Magnus. We are gonna make you one of us. One of us one of us Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) Bye bye flexi discs Date: 06 Mar 2001 03:00:38 Eva-tone claims: >Our founder Richard Evans would love for you to see what his dream has actually become. I hope the founder of this 75 year old company is alive and well for them to make such a claim -- because if not, I'm sure he's crying in his grave at what they did. And, haven't flexi discs, pardon me, "soundsheets," been around much longer than 40 years? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella 2001 Date: 06 Mar 2001 03:12:09 EST In a message dated 3/5/1 11:03:57 PM, colleen7@ireland.com wrote: >Sharon Stone would be a very good choice Colleen If you like a surefire blockbuster of an investment-returner, sure, but one thing about new movies....new actors are working very hard to get noticed and often eclipse the box-office suresells...ask me for an example? lemme think.......ah, the names don't get as easily remembered, but with a remake can't it be remarketed as, say, "Oceans 11 2001", then the proud history, retold along with previous footage from the vintage edition and a couple of compelling moments of engaging dialog from the newbies....??...Then again I don't work there nor do I invest in films (that I know of) JB/mutual fund innocence reigns at this address # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods ĘOn Finland Date: 06 Mar 2001 03:14:48 EST In a message dated 3/5/1 11:37:26 PM, colleen7@ireland.com wrote: >We have the dumbest TV shows in the world! quite likely, but name 3 dumb Scandanavian Sitcoms...Quickly!!...JB/point taken # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods ĘOn Finland Date: 06 Mar 2001 03:18:08 EST In a message dated 3/6/1 2:59:49 AM, m.sandberg@telia.com wrote: >We will make you appreciate the beauty of it Magnus. We >are gonna make you one of us. One of us one of us What you need is a good cup of coffee. What you need is a good cup of coffee. What you need is a good cup of coffee...JB/Stepfordized long ago ANNNND loving it! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) "Tikiville" Date: 06 Mar 2001 03:50:15 -0500 At 10:30 PM 3/5/01 -0800, Christine Karkow wrote: .>speaking of SCTV-anyone know where I can get some videos of that show? I >am especially interested in the ones where Andrea Martin (I think this is >her name) is wearing leopard skin clothing and playing the organ Tex and Edna Boyle? I've seen SCTV tapes at the video store but I doubt you could get a tape of nothing but commercials for Tex and Edna Boyle and their Organ Emporium. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:=20(exotica)=20Different=20Neighborhoods=20=CAOn=20Finla?= Date: 06 Mar 2001 10:05:37 +0100 (CET) citerar DJJimmyBee@aol.com: > What you need is a good cup of coffee. What you need is a good cup of > coffee. > What you need is a good cup of coffee...JB/Stepfordized long ago ANNNND > loving it! > I havent time, first I have to go to the gym, then work hard and a lot overtime, then to the gym again and then see the new exciting Will Smith movie. So you see, I have not time for coffee, coffee breaks are unnecessary. I only invest in things that gain me as an individual in the collective. Magnuz in block 123BX Long live Marx long live Jesus Long live Wood and Wei # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) casino royale Date: 06 Mar 2001 06:46:48 EST In a message dated 3/5/01 8:18:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, mjmarch@charter.net writes: << robert blahut wrote: > just wondering if anyone caught the screening of this fine example of > the 60's movie yesterday afternoon on AMC? Yeah, it's a hoot. Never fails to make me laugh and shake my head just at the sheer everything AND the kitchen sink wackiness of it. I keep telling my wife that she needs to get a machine gun installed in her bagpipes just like Ursula Andress. > is there a soundtrack available, or just a cd comp of the main title theme? Yes, there's a bonafide soundtrack out there. >> there is an OST on CD but the quality is kinda poor --- still worth having tho. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 06:49:02 EST In a message dated 3/5/01 9:08:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, kevin@kevdo.com writes: << Jeeze folks I'm not a total idot... :-) The side read by the laser is the top, right? -Kevin -- >> yes, and i do think that a label would help keep the "foil" from getting scratched. that is where the info is. i think kev was right in his assumption of such. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0On?= Finland Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:24:22 +0100 > citerar Colleen Pyles : > > > Magnus, don't apoligize for saying that! We have the dumbest TV > > shows in the world! (With the exception of some british sitcoms) No > > offense taken...believe me! National pride forces me to disagree: WE have the dumbest AND most boring TV shows in the world! "Einigkeit und Recht und Frei-i-heit..." Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 14:15:53 +0100 Rcbrooksod@aol.com schrieb: > > << Jeeze folks I'm not a total idot... :-) The side read by the laser is > the top, right? first I thought you are joking... > yes, and i do think that a label would help keep the "foil" from getting > scratched. that is where the info is. the CD is of course read on the side where the label NOT is. insofar a label cannot possibly protect this side of the CD. Maybe against extreme cases of sun rays from its backside or something... > i think kev was right in his assumption of such. I still think he was joking... > -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 08:29:01 EST In a message dated 3/6/01 5:14:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, moritz@derplan.com writes: << first I thought you are joking... > yes, and i do think that a label would help keep the "foil" from getting > scratched. that is where the info is. the CD is of course read on the side where the label NOT is. insofar a label cannot possibly protect this side of the CD. Maybe against extreme cases of sun rays from its backside or something... > i think kev was right in his assumption of such. I still think he was joking... >> i think this needs clarification. kevin and i are of the mind set that a custom made label placed on the "top" (or foil) side of the CD will keep the "foil" from being scratched off. i have had CDs where the foil side got a little nick taken out of it and it caused the cd not to play right. you can see light shine thru a kicked cd. in otherwords, the label would have to be scratched before the foil, thus protecting the foil. and let's make sure we know what i am talking about when i say "label". i am talking about a home made label that is placed on top of a CD-R. and i assumed that that is what kevin was talking about. did anyone else think that kevin and i ment differently? i am not sure how anybody thought we would but a label on the "bottom" side of a CD. it would make the CD un-readable. like kevin said "i'm (we're) not a total idiot." then again, with my half of idiot added to kevin's, we might approach a "total" idiot. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert McKenna" Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods  On Finland Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:40:23 >National pride forces me to disagree: WE have the dumbest AND most boring >TV shows in the world! > >"Einigkeit und Recht und Frei-i-heit..." > >Mo Mo has a point. German TV is legendarily boring. We all have astonishingly dumb TV, we just also get all the american dumb TV and other people's only if it is good. Same with the movies, if a non-American film gets any promotion here it has already undergone a preselection. rob _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: (exotica) Oh, it's BAD TV you want... Date: 06 Mar 2001 08:48:27 -0500 From the UK, there was: Chalk - What I saw of it did nothing for me. Kelly Monteith - Sort of unfair; we Yanks sent him to you, but YOU put him back on the air! In the US, there was: The Neighbors - a game show hosted by Regis Philbin and actually got housewives to participate in such games as "Who Spread the Rumor?" Here is a sample, "Here's the rumor, girls. If Kathleen talked in her sleep, she would whisper, "Raoul, Raoul...", who spread the rumor?" At this point, one had to guess which was telling the truth and which of the others were lying. It not only spawned a TV Guide article "Malice Doesn't Live Here Anymore", but it was the first time that I ever wrote to a network about the shoddy quality of a show. It got canceled. You're welcome. "What's It All About, World?" - A variety show that I heard was bad and I heard right. Dig my review here: http://us.imdb.com/Details?0063966#comment On an on-topic note, my local PBS station showed an hour and a half special about Dean Martin, which featured whole song clips. Not bad, eh? Don't get me started on Homeboys in Outer Space, Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Blahut, Jr." Subject: Re: (exotica) "Tikiville" Date: 06 Mar 2001 08:35:53 -0600 At 03:50 AM 03/06/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >At 10:30 PM 3/5/01 -0800, Christine Karkow wrote: >.>speaking of SCTV-anyone know where I can get some videos of that show? I >>am especially interested in the ones where Andrea Martin (I think this is >>her name) is wearing leopard skin clothing and playing the organ > >Tex and Edna Boyle? >I've seen SCTV tapes at the video store but I doubt you could get a tape of >nothing but commercials for Tex and Edna Boyle and their Organ Emporium. i am not sure, but i have seen SCTV on after conan o'brien a couple of times (don't ask what i am doing up at that hour) perhaps you could check your local listings and set your vcr. i did see the count floyd program that starred dr tongue in the 3D remake of "midnight cowboy" followed by a panel discussion of the movie tablah # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 15:55:49 +0100 Hmmm... are you saying you scratched a CD so deeply from the back side (=label side) that it became unreadable? This didn't come to my mind of course... that's a severe damage. You are talking about making a hole into a CD. I still don't think, that the additional bit of paper from a stick-on label would help much to prevent the CD from that much violence. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 06:58:52 -0800 Moritz R wrote: > > Rcbrooksod@aol.com schrieb: > > > > > << Jeeze folks I'm not a total idot... :-) The side read by the laser is > > the top, right? > > first I thought you are joking... > > > yes, and i do think that a label would help keep the "foil" from getting > > scratched. that is where the info is. > > the CD is of course read on the side where the label NOT is. insofar a label cannot possibly protect this side of the CD. Maybe against extreme cases of sun rays from its backside or something... > > > i think kev was right in his assumption of such. > > I still think he was joking... Yes, I was... -Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 15:02:51 +0000 Moritz R wrote: > > Hmmm... are you saying you scratched a CD so deeply from the back side (=label side) that it became unreadable? This didn't come to my mind of course... that's a severe damage. You are talking about making a hole into a CD. I still don't think, that the additional bit of paper from a stick-on label would help much to prevent the CD from that much violence. I know nothing about CDRs, but on standard CDs the layer with the information is much nearer the top (labelled) side, and hence can be scratched from the top. If you look at a CD from the side you can see the difference in the thickness of the plastic coating. Of course the unhelpful solution is to try not to scratch either side... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 16:44:02 +0100 (CET) citerar Michael Jemmeson : > Of course the unhelpful solution is to try not to scratch either >side... The truth is we handle our belongings very differently. Anyone who has ever searched for LPs on a fleamarket will agree. I care for them little things, and so they always sing for me! (without an argument!) Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 10:59:21 EST In a message dated 03/06/01 10:28:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, michael@moreover.com writes: << I know nothing about CDRs, but on standard CDs the layer with the information is much nearer the top (labelled) side, and hence can be scratched from the top. If you look at a CD from the side you can see the difference in the thickness of the plastic coating. >> and . . . <> i guess if we are getting technical this is what happens. the laser actually DOES read the top of the CD. it reads little indentations in the foil. so the laser shines up from the bottom (on most players) passes thru almost the entire thickness of the Cd and reads the indentations in the foil which is applied to the top of the CD. it does not take much to damage the foil at all. if you place a sticker on the top/foil side and then pull the sticker off, the foil will actually come off with it. if you drop anything sharp or pointed on the top/foil of the CD it will damage the foil. i don't think the foil is "embedded" in the CD at all. it is applied to the top surface and maybe lightly "coated" with some polymer to give it some durability. get you and old (and not exotica related) CD and try scratching the top with various methods and you will see what i mean. on this note btw, someone posted about a year and a half ago (i think it was Chuck in New Orleans) that he tried to remove one of those home made sticky labels and it pulled off nearly the entire foil. when people talk about repairing "scratches" on a CD they usually talking about polishing the bottom of the CD. they are just making the bottom smoother so laser can read better. if the foil layer is damaged there is not repairing the CD. the previous discussion a year or so ago pointed out correctly that everyone worries about the bottom side and neglects the care for the top/foil side. that is where the information is. you can even hold up a CD on it's side and see that almost all of the CD is clear and that the foil layer is right on the surface of the top side. does any of this sound familiar? tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Collectors Date: 06 Mar 2001 16:47:47 +0100 >Okay, here's my question for You vinyl collectors out there. >Are you purchasing that LP for the cover or for the music inside? for the music only, and yet, if it comes without a cover, i feel an urge, i have to have it _complete_ even if the cover is awful to look at. i guess that's the collector in me... >And if it is out on CD, do you still want the LP? no. CDs are far easier to get, and most of the time (for Europeans!) cheaper than the original vinyl. Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:05:29 -0500 OK, I tormented a cheap CD-R "coaster". Results: Scratched (using moderate pressure) on top with fingernail. No damage. Scratched with back end of wooden paintbrush. No damage. Scratched with dull tip of a metal nail. No damage. Slashed with a razor blade. Damage. Foil top peels right off. Easily. Kind of contradictory. It seems to be very fragile, but you have to work to exploit the fragility. There really shouldn't be a problem if you treat your discs sensibly. But if you really want to get heavy duty, check out the BASF CD-R Master blanks, with a "hardened, white ceramic" top. http://www.emtec-group.com/Professionals/Studio/Audio/Cd-R_Master/ --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Shiman" Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist for Dial-ated Pupils: March 3, 2001 Date: 06 Mar 2001 18:15:44 > >PERCY FAITH Black Magic Woman Black Magic Woman LP Columbia > >THE 3 RING CIRCUS Fantastic Voyage Groovin' on the Sunshine LP RCA > >JOHNNY KEATING'S KOMBO Delilah Percussive Moods LP Phase 4 > >Good choices! >Can you get this online? >I don't really know what else to say about those cuts except that I own >them and I like to see them here, especially the Three Ring Circus. >Do you ever play the vocal cut "Lovin Machine"? That's the one I tend to >put on compilations more than any other. Thanks for the nice words Alan - yeah that 3 Ring Circus LP is fascinating, and "Lovin' Machine" is probably my next favorite cut after "Fantastic Voyage". But what an odd album! - and so few credits. Another aging record producer's vague idea of what it was to turn-on and get psychedelic, I suppose. I'm not sure I've seen the album mentioned here before - seems like it would especially appeal to the now-sound and sunshine-pop people on the list. -Dan Hear! "Dial-ated Pupils" -- every Saturday 4-6 pm CST exclusively at www.radio1austin.com. I will lead you safely through the perilous dark jungles of Austin's scratchiest record collection. Exotic jazz. Obscure Latin, Afro, and Eastern grooves. Easy listening arcana. Bring your bug spray. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) Has anyone used spun.com? Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:24:24 -0500 http://www.spun.com/music/browse-alpha.jsp?topgenre=Easy+Listening&subgenre=1640 I've just stumbled across this cd-exchange site. Has anyone used them? Worth a try or run for the hills? lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 13:44:39 EST Actually, if you get a deep enough scratch on the label side of the CD (it'll take more than just fingerprints to do it), you'll end up with a nice little "sticking" sound coming out of your speakers. Of course, there are some CDs that actually end up sounding better this way... -DavidH < I know nothing about CDRs, but on standard CDs the layer with the information is much nearer the top (labelled) side, and hence can be scratched from the top. If you look at a CD from the side you can see the difference in the thickness of the plastic coating. >> and . . . <> i guess if we are getting technical this is what happens. the laser actually DOES read the top of the CD. it reads little indentations in the foil. so the laser shines up from the bottom (on most players) passes thru almost the entire thickness of the Cd and reads the indentations in the foil which is applied to the top of the CD. it does not take much to damage the foil at all. if you place a sticker on the top/foil side and then pull the sticker off, the foil will actually come off with it. if you drop anything sharp or pointed on the top/foil of the CD it will damage the foil. i don't think the foil is "embedded" in the CD at all. it is applied to the top surface and maybe lightly "coated" with some polymer to give it some durability. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 20:33:15 +0100 Rcbrooksod@aol.com schrieb: > i don't think the foil is "embedded" in the CD at all. it is applied to the > top surface and maybe lightly "coated" with some polymer to give it some > durability. I hate to admit it, but you seem to be right. I never noticed that. I always thought that the foil is in the middle of the CD body. The surfaces even seem to differ in material. when you try to scratch into them with a fingernail, the top surface seems to be softer, like clear finish, as you say. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: (exotica) Freddy Date: 06 Mar 2001 11:44:48 -0800 (PST) Anyone familiar with a German pop singer from the 60s called "Freddy"? I figured there might be some amusement value: anglicized name being responsive to the British pop explosion... and with just one name maybe a melding of Heino and Oliver? Or is he simply bad? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Freddy Quinn Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:15:32 +0100 Ben Waugh schrieb: > Anyone familiar with a German pop singer from the 60s > called "Freddy"? I figured there might be some > amusement value: anglicized name being responsive to > the British pop explosion... and with just one name > maybe a melding of Heino and Oliver? > > Or is he simply bad? yes. no amusement value whatsoever. pop-singer? hmm... sang sailor shanties mostly. sounds like a softie version of Heino. non-outed gay from Hamburg. tragic: got 50$ for his million seller hit "Junge komm bald wieder", because he was just hired as a "studio singer". was in N.Y.C. for one year in 196x and thinks he is a world star since. peinlich! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Freddy Quinn Date: 06 Mar 2001 12:30:55 -0800 (PST) Bummer. Maybe I can exchange him for the Richard Anthony I left behind. "Fich le Camp, Jack", (and don't you better not come back no more) BW --- Moritz R wrote: > yes. no amusement value whatsoever. pop-singer? > hmm... sang sailor shanties mostly. sounds like a > softie version of Heino. non-outed gay from Hamburg. > tragic: got 50$ for his million seller hit "Junge > komm bald wieder", because he was just hired as a > "studio singer". was in N.Y.C. for one year in 196x > and thinks he is a world star since. peinlich! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) the mysterious moai Date: 06 Mar 2001 15:39:44 -0500 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1119290339 All you Easter Island "heads" should check out the above URL. Be sure to scroll to the bottom. lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) n-pst-r alternatives Date: 06 Mar 2001 16:21:37 -0500 Someone asked about N-pst-r alternatives. Here's a batch of download and/or comment links. Some are fresh, some are a little old. http://www.zeropaid.com/ http://download.cnet.com/downloads/1,10150,0-10001-103-0-1-7,00.html?tag=srch&qt=napalt&cn=&ca=10001&SWlink=false?tag=srch1 http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/prespick/0301/index.html http://dailymp3.com/otherutil1.shtml http://www.beachbrowser.com/Archives/eVoid/July-2000/Napster-Alternatives.htm http://www.indiatimes.com/infotech/downloads/napster.html http://music.neopages.com/napster/alternatives.shtml http://www.msnbc.com/news/471197.asp?0nm=B27F&cp1=1 Actually, the latest thing the last couple of days is utilities for encrypting filenames! I've never even used Napster, but that new copy protection scheme for audio CDs rather annoys me. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Flexis/Cardboard Discs Date: 06 Mar 2001 16:24:13 EST Can't say that I was a big flexi fan myself (the frigging things always became unplayably bent too easily, and Eva-Tone was notorious for refusing to press your record if it had "objectable" lyrics, as a few punk bands will testify) though it's always sad to hear of yet another format biting the dust. Are there any European/Asian companies still producing them? What I really want to know (and chances are you folks already discussed this in detail awhile ago) is who was responsible for pressing those CARDBOARD discs that used to appear on the back of cereal boxes, etc.? Were they just a flexi on top of a round piece of cardboard? (I found an Archies one a long time ago, but I ended up offering it as a premium during my station's fundraiser and another DJ nabbed it) -DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 06 Mar 2001 17:02:45 EST In a message dated 03/06/01 2:36:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, moritz@derplan.com writes: << I hate to admit it, but you seem to be right. I never noticed that. I always thought that the foil is in the middle of the CD body. The surfaces even seem to differ in material. when you try to scratch into them with a fingernail, the top surface seems to be softer, like clear finish, as you say. Mo >> don't feel bad that you had not noticed it. that was the common comment when we discussed this a year or so ago. so now remember to pay more attention to the care of the top of the cd as well as the bottom. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Some fill-ups in my exotica collection Date: 06 Mar 2001 23:09:20 +0100 (CET) Recieved some essential albums today, First "Afro Cuban influence" by Shorty Rogers, listen to it now and it seems as terrific as his "S R meets Tarzan" LP. It is one of those albums I have nearly bought a few times before but something other has been choosen in the last minute. I am glad I have it now. "Surfers Paradise" by Alex Keack, an album on Crown (Stereo CST 315), a little surface noise but not too bad. Very jazzy exotica, quite good, and probably own material. With Crown you seldom get any info of that sort. "Whistling on the beach of Waikiki" Muzzy Marcellino, Stereo Coral (CRL 757441). Terrific and beautiful, as I imagined, this is my second Marcellino LP i get. More swinging exotica comes from "JUN'GALA" Marty Wilson and his orchestra. (mono WB 1326) I am very fond of his kind of exotica, makes me feel really good. The girl on the cover looks like a girl I had a crush on some years ago. Last but not least, "Themes from horror movies" Dick Jacobs and his orchestra, Coral stereo (CRL 757240) an album I was totally unaware of until some weeks ago, found it on ebay, a really beat up copy but I had to have it as a start anyway, and it was really good, especially the track picked from "The incredible shrinking man". Bob MacFadden does the narration between tracks, speaks like Bela Lugosi and other horror icons, absurd background B&W image (just the way i like em) of a creature with three eyes and two tails. Tracks picked from "Son of Dracula", "this Island Earth", "Creature from the black lagoon" etc. Highly recommended if you enjoy that sort of neglected music. So why the h**l do I complain at all ;) If I lived in the fifties I bet you 1 million dollar that I had not found any of these records for sale, nor would I have had the possibility to watch the films due to swedens censorship policies back then. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Old=Good New=Bad Date: 06 Mar 2001 14:32:05 -0800 >Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 01:04:27 +0100 >From: Moritz R >Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!....... > >Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > >> I exploded and I turned to him and said: 'YES! BECAUSE OLD >> MUSIC IS MUCH BETTER THAN NEW MUSIC!' > >You mean I could just take any record or CD, lock it away, and after a >while it would automatically turn into good music? Fifty years ago, the answer would have been yes. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicola Battista Subject: (exotica) Akira Ifukube Italian MP3 (?!?) Date: 06 Mar 2001 23:59:21 +0100 http://www.mp3.com/akiraifukube years ago there was a concert by the E.Chiti Orchestra performing Godzilla music by Ifukube. It all appeared on a now deleted cd by Film Music Art Studio. Some of this material will be made available for streaming and/or downloading, and there are also 2 spoken workd tracks with the composer (appearing on video from Japan) thanking the musicians, the people and Roberto Zamori who had organized the performance. I will post updates about this page (as usual); for now we have free mp3 download of the Ifukube message in Italian, some minimal info on filmography/discography, and links to 3 Godzilla compilations from Emusic. have fun :) Nicola (Dj Batman) Battista http://www.mp3.com/djbatman # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Flexidiscs Date: 06 Mar 2001 17:14:11 -0800 >Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 03:00:38 >From: jschwart@voicenet.com >Subject: (exotica) Bye bye flexi discs > >And, haven't flexi discs, pardon me, "soundsheets," been around much longer >than 40 years? There was a similar thing back in the thirties called "Hit of the Week" records. Those were printed on cardboard. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HEDCANDY@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Where to find Exotica clip-art for sale Date: 06 Mar 2001 20:13:50 EST Hello, Anyone have a line on some affordable Retro / Exotica clip art for sale? I teach a high school commercial arts class and am looking for something that has some images or some cool retro fonts. Any suggestions? Chris # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Freddy Quinn Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:15:32 +0100 Ben Waugh schrieb: > Anyone familiar with a German pop singer from the 60s > called "Freddy"? I figured there might be some > amusement value: anglicized name being responsive to > the British pop explosion... and with just one name > maybe a melding of Heino and Oliver? > > Or is he simply bad? yes. no amusement value whatsoever. pop-singer? hmm... sang sailor shanties mostly. sounds like a softie version of Heino. non-outed gay from Hamburg. tragic: got 50$ for his million seller hit "Junge komm bald wieder", because he was just hired as a "studio singer". was in N.Y.C. for one year in 196x and thinks he is a world star since. peinlich! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Where to find Exotica clip-art for sale Date: 06 Mar 2001 20:34:11 -0500 on 3/6/01 8:13 PM, HEDCANDY@aol.com at HEDCANDY@aol.com wrote: > Anyone have a line on some affordable Retro / Exotica clip art for sale? I > teach a high school commercial arts class and am looking for something that > has some images or some cool retro fonts. Any suggestions? check out the great stuff from House Industries - and don't miss their groovy magazine as well. Tiki fonts, bowling fonts, outer space fonts, Las Vegas signs (coming shortly, with music by yrs trly),groovy Chalet fonts and silhouettes, and loads more all with clip art, vector graphics and more. They're not free but they're reasonably priced and you can download some from the site. www.houseindustries.com br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: (exotica) Tikiapolis Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:01:24 -0600 Alohaderci, Once again, I find myself on the road. This time I'm only going a 100 miles or so down the road to Minneapolis. I've been looking around on the 'Web, but I can't seem to locate much there in the way of Exotica now that King Kini's Club Velvet appears to have shut down permanently. So my question to y'all is, where can a fella go to get a decent umbrella drink and hang out in a loud Hawaiian shirt while staying in MaryTylerMooreLand these days? Mahalo in Advance, -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:56:24 -0500 Colleen wrote: > Magnus, don't apoligize for saying that! We have the dumbest TV > shows in the world! (With the exception of some british sitcoms) No > offense taken...believe me! Yours may be dumb but ours are downright embarrasing. You ought to see the stuff they pass off here to make the Canadian content quota! I challenge you to watch our Genie? awards show(see I can't even remember the name!!!) for films. As a Canadian I don't know who hosts the thing or most of the time any of the films they nominate (They missed out on a gem with Alan's film but that's their loss). And they make the French people (who produce the majority of anything interesting anyway) speak in English. It hightly patronizing and as everything else in this country, thoroughly Toronto-centric. The one thing I can say is we seem to have a very strong and respectable East Coast music culture. Its not to my tasted but at least it doen't attempt to copy its American counterpart for a change! I'm sure everyone has a similar story in their respective countreies but the question is what's the lesser of the two evils!!! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers Date: 06 Mar 2001 22:23:54 -0500 m ace wrote: > >As a shameless flea/thrift bottom-feeder, I would happily continue to > >ignore eBay and stick with the fleas. But the problem is -- and maybe (I > >hope) this is only a regional thing -- the flea market record dealers are > >disappearing! -m.ace > I haven't noticed that where I live. The thing about ebay is, something > worth a dollar or two isn't really worth paying the listing fee for. Well I have here and I'm trying to understand why myself. Consider this though... who is buying the stuff? You cannot easily buy a turntable and records are for the most part no longer produced. The market for them is very specialized, from DJs to old(er) collectors. They take up a lot of space in stores and they don't move quickly as the bad ones seem to stay. I used to go weekly to my favourite store only so I could catch the new arrivals before they were filed and I had to look through whole bins of the same records again. But I first noticed this about 7 or 8 years back when LPs stopped being produced commercialy and most stores stopped carrying vinyl, either new or used. I then went on a major vinyl binge thinking I may never get another chance at records that I knew would never see the light of reissue. What kept the spurt going was all these new exotica records I would have never looked for back then, and which were being unearthed from basements and radio stations and appearing in the right record stores whose owners knew how and what to buy. Well now the few stores that stuck with vinyl are hugely overstocked with records that either aren't good, overpriced, or in bad condition and I don't think they're buying at the same rate. Oh sure you can find records for $50-$100 at places like Dusty Grrooves or other online stores, but my rule of thumb is I'd pay as much for an LP as I would for a comparable CD reissue (ie up to CDN$25) but almost never more. But these LPs (at these prices) just don't seem to be appearing anymore and Montreal is among the best places I've ever visited to find the stuff so that's why I worry. What does the future hold? Well because of the sheer volume of LPs made and the fact that many things exist in no other form, there will be a market of sorts for a long time to come, unlike say 8 tracks which were never an "exclusive" medium. But I do worry as private release cassettes, a format which was the choice for any DIY artist back in the 70's as an exclusive format, are nearly impossible to find and have been for some time. If you ask me Ebay and other like businesses is the way this will all go as the cost/profit ratio of running a vinyl stocked record store worsens. You just gave to see the mounds of vinyl in the thrift stores, most of it going begging even there, to know this won't go on forever. Maybe its just because I haven't bought a record of any interest in many months, but I do sense the times are changing and we're in for a dry spell that we may not come out of. That last note on the end of flexi-disc production drives another nail into the coffin if you ask me... Brian (How can you tell its winter here!) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Wages Subject: Re: (exotica) The Polynesians Date: 07 Mar 2001 01:48:06 -0500 > Does anyone have additional information about this band? > I have listed the lps that I have and am wondering if there are > others or other information besides the actual records I also have "Hawaiian Wedding Song" (Crown CST-535) which has the generic "Music For Every Mood" back. This one has a great cover with tapa print, fishnet floats, and a chick with fishnet draped over her shoulder. Looking at the track list, I'm gonna guess it's mostly songs pulled from other Polynesians LPs. Hawaiian Wedding Song Island Moon Lehua Hawaiian War Chant Rose Lani Isle Of Golden Dreams Orchid Lei My Yellow Ginger Lei At The Barefoot Bar Land Of Flower # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Wages Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist for Dial-ated Pupils: March 3, 2001 Date: 07 Mar 2001 02:07:23 -0500 > KAIWAZA Voodoo Moon Hawaiian Holiday LP Wyncote I included this one on an Exotica CD-R a made awhile back. Good track. It turns out that this is actually Ted Auletta's "Voodoo Moon". Wyncote borrowed it from Auletta's "Exotica" LP on Cameo. Paul W # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) music for children's events Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:49:08 +0800 hi all, well, i finally broke down and picked up that disc that looked just too interesting to pass up(plus i could get a lisa ono disc at a cheaper price by buying them together. that disc "bossa carioca" is very very good by the way) - "music for children's events". this is a japanese disc released on the king record company(KICGG-8158). while i was picking this up i saw a disc put out by the same company called "music for athletic events" that i may go back and pick up as well. according to the obi strip in this series are also discs called "travel english" and "everyday english" hmmm. the music mainly sounds like stuff from the 50s and 60s. some of it being rather interesting. makes me think of mary poppins for some reason(though i suspect if you went into it expecting it to sound like that you would be disappointed). both children and adults singing. and thankfully the kids singing sound like real kids. not like some producers idea of what a kid should sound like. i hate it when they make kids sing like they are 3 years old when they are not. i couldn't find any dates for when the songs were released except for one date for 1908 but i suspect that is the year that track may of been written but not this recording of it. one song, and it may be the 1908 track has piano in it that sounds like its out of some old western saloon or maybe made to accompany an old silent movie. the booklet has illustrations teaching kids to do "the swim"(that is what the name of that dance is isn't it?) and what appears to be some game elementary school kids play in pairs where one person tries to hit your palm without you grabbing(catching) their hands. there are two christmas songs included one with vocals and one without. the only english song credits i see are the following: "l. banfi - l. martelli" and "s. de pasquale(depsa)". does anyone have any ideas as to who they may be? if anyone has any info about this disc i would like to hear about it. while i was picking this up i saw some lalo schifrin disc called "black widow" i think. it appeared to be some old ost. but then i saw the word remix so i wasn't sure what it was. does anyone have this? i seem to recall a vague discussion of this before. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Bigelow Subject: (exotica) The Lurk of Love is in My Guise Date: 07 Mar 2001 06:04:46 -0600 Magnus--Thanks for the Don Ralke listing. I don't edit the discographies based on what I think rates as "exotica"--I list the records I know about. I use any source I can to get. And I'll put in another plug for "Two Sides of Fred Waring." Not only does it have "Kites are Fun," it also has a decent version of "Walk On By" (where the Pennsylvanians chant, "Walk, walk, walk on by; walk, walk, walk on by") and my favorite cut, "Rapido" (where they rise up and down the scale like someone on a pogo stick, and sing "My heart beats [rapid bongo beats] rapido." Everytime I here it, my heart beats [rapid bongo beats] rapido. Now ... every other Fred Waring album I've ever seen sucks, though. Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Lest we forget!....... Date: 07 Mar 2001 08:45:16 -0500 (Trying to send this again - it looks like I can "reply" and have my mail = posted, but I can't send out an "original" or "cold" letter directly to = "Exotica." Weird....) Had a laugh the other night. I put on Lenny Dee "Dee-Licious" (with that ridiculously funny cover of = the D man lounging in a hammock while two dangerously young and innocent = lasses feed him chocolate bon-bons by his side). My bro was there and = said "Holy Shit! They should put a warning label on that LP that it can = cause irrepairable insanity!!" (He's got the twisted sense of humor too). Then he went on laughing that it sounded like the power-supply was having = extreme fluctuations - that's D's style to mmmmMMMM , daaaaDDAAAAAA and I = had to laugh because he was right - sounds exactly like the organ was = being run by a hand-cranked generator and the guy was getting tired!!! Man, to imagine Mom's and Pop's everywhere groovin' to these sounds on the = console stereo sometimes boggles the mind! And there I sat writing bills acting like this was "normal" music - ah, = I'm lost I tell ya.......!! :-) - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 07 Mar 2001 07:49:03 -0600 Brian wrote: > Yours may be dumb but ours are downright embarrasing. You ought to see the > stuff they pass off here to make the Canadian content quota! Hmm, what about Lexx? It's one of the weirdest and most interesting shows that I can think of at the moment, and it's a joint Canadian-German production filmed in Nova Scotia. It's a hell of a lot better than just about anything on American television at the moment. Any show that contains dialogue like, "The dead do not poo" and features a horny robot head on a go-kart deserves high praise in my view. Damn, now I have the theme song stuck in my head: "Vaiyo A-O, jerhume Brunnen-G!" -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods =?iso-8859-1?B?yk9u?= Finland Date: 06 Mar 2001 21:40:08 -0600 JB wrote: >quite likely, but name 3 dumb Scandanavian Sitcoms...Quickly!!... ******* The US, though, is very good at ripping off other sitcoms (and game shows) and marketing them as their own, so who knows, maybe Will and Grace was Scandinavian? Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: (exotica) E-Bay Dealers(again): "JAGCAR" Date: 07 Mar 2001 08:22:25 -0800 (PST) Speaking of E-Bay dealers. I recently won a copy Zodiac Cosmic Sounds. I immediately paid the US seller, who charged (jagcar)$5 in postage. The item took a month to arrive. She shipped it in a flimsy cardboard postal box. She did not so much as wrap it in a newspaper. The cover stuck to the adhesive stripping that seals the envelope (meant for shipping documents in, not fragile items)and was destroyed removing the item from the box. Her auction did mention that the cover "has some wear" - I can't tell, because the USPS box is wearing most of it. Despite claims of 100%* 30 DAY SATISFACTION GUARANTEE" the seller has not responded to e-mail. This is the only problem I have had with (a few) E-Bay dealers: no sense of basic decency. Apologies for the gripe, BW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eilert=20Pilarm=20hits=20G=E4vle?= Date: 07 Mar 2001 18:33:04 +0100 (CET) The swedish elvis impersonator is in town! Tomorrow there will be concert at "The Heartbreak Hotel". I will post a review in a couple of days. Magnus -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) The Lurk of Love is in My Guise Date: 07 Mar 2001 13:11:30 EST In a message dated 03/07/01 7:03:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, spaceagepop@earthlink.net writes: << Now ... every other Fred Waring album I've ever seen sucks, though. >> the christmas one has that neat, kind of hokey, home town america feel. i like it. the ultra lounge actually did a spliced version of this on Christmas Cocktails Vol 1. which is one of my top ten fav Christmas songs. tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Zodiac Cosmic Sounds Date: 07 Mar 2001 14:31:45 +0100 Colleen had asked if the Zodiac Cosmic Sounds was reissued... it was (unofficially) re-released on limited heavy vinyl in 1999, but i never came across it, and have no idea were to look for it. try http://www.gemm.com Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: CD-Rs - Labels vs. Booklets Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:40:13 +0100 Kevin Crossman wrote: >I was under the impression that a label on the CD is a good thing for >the CD-R, since the top surface is delicate. Do I have this wrong? no, you're right. the top surface is the most delicate side of a CD (R) Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Different Neighborhoods On Finland Date: 07 Mar 2001 11:11:13 -0800 (PST) Yes. And, in my opinion, only because Strangers with Candy and Freaks and Geeks proved inadequate fodder. The TV guide and the NYT Best Seller list look remarkably alike. ------------------------ I'm half tongue-in-cheek about about the formative influence of ubiquitous entertainment media. But I'm half serious as well. I don't believe that watching Segal movies is harmful to anything more than your wallet and vocabulary: but the atmosphere is radiant with deformed expressions of human potential. With regard to the awful event that occured in the California high school the other day: assuming it's true that we interpret the new, the alien, the random, the unprecedented by the measure of what we already know, we are audience to the coming of age of a new world: students involved described the experience as though it had a sort of cinematic texture to it: gore resembled "fake blood capsules", the gunfire did not sound like real gunfire: movie gunfire. Victims and shooter are in the same loop. too much caffeine again, bw --- Matt Marchese wrote: > Hmm, what about Lexx? It's one of the weirdest and > most interesting shows that I > can think of at the moment, and it's a joint > Canadian-German production filmed > in Nova Scotia. It's a hell of a lot better than > just about anything on American > television at the moment. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) Fotonovelas Date: 07 Mar 2001 12:04:05 -0800 Well... Don't know if this will be of interest to anyone here... a friend has just scanned and posted in his yahoo broiefcase some scans of Mexican Fotonovelas... the first two pages are quite 'exotica-influenced', and then there is El Santo fighting against one of those wooden dolls usually used by artists to learn how to draw. Nice thing to see... The address is http://y42.briefcase.yahoo.com/andrescaicedo Bye, Manuel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) the sad sad world of popular media Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:03:42 -0500 At 07:49 AM 3/7/01 -0600, Matt Marchese wrote: > >Brian wrote: > >> Yours may be dumb but ours are downright embarrasing. You ought to see the >> stuff they pass off here to make the Canadian content quota! > >Hmm, what about Lexx? Yeah Lexx can grow on you. I ignored it for a long time and then I noticed that some friends of mine had become involved and... it's definitely "unique". This is a silly silly discussion though. Almost all TV and movies stink. No matter where they originate. And things are getting worse. The reason? The people in charge. The ones who say yes or no. They're changing. They're less and less likely to be wannabe producers, writers and directors. More and more they're coming from non-filmmaking backgrounds. Let me tell you a story. A friend of mine, out of desperation, took one of those expensive courses where they teach you digital editing. Most of the kids in his class had no background in film. They weren't even fans of film. And they weren't all that curious. Nonetheless they wanted to be editors. One day the head of the "department" took over their class and showed them a film which supposedly would demonstrate "slow editing". The film was Wim Wenders "Wings of Desire". At one point, one of the students asked "When was this film made?" Nobody seemed to know (except my friend but he shut up). The teacher, the head of the media arts department, scratched her head and said "I don't know but it must be the forties, judging from the black and white and all..." That's so mind boggling on so many levels. My first reaction after hearing the story and lifting my jaw from the table was "Either Peter Falk had a father who looked just like him or he's remarkably well preserved!" I tell that story to illustrate the fact that more and more people are entering the film and television business with no love or knowledge of the media. They just want to get a good job in the wonderful world of television production and they don't really care about anything else. I could tell more stories. When I read "Catch 22" and it never occurred to me that someday, I would have stories from my own life that rivalled anything in that book. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Off Topic - email snafu Date: 07 Mar 2001 16:37:34 -0500 For a change, an email problem that doesn't involve xmission. My email system lunched out last night/earlier today, so if you sent me an off-list message and I didn't reply, it's because I didn't receive it (checked the on-list action via the web archive). Pardon me. Back to your regular programming. m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com (if you like ukes, a nice pic of my Harmony baritone is now brightening the index page) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: (exotica) Some fill-ups in my exotica collection Date: 07 Mar 2001 20:52:54 -0800 Magnus scored: <<"Whistling on the beach of Waikiki" Muzzy Marcellino, Stereo Coral (CRL 757441). Terrific and beautiful, as I imagined, this is my second Marcellino LP...>> Nice one Magnus! All you exotica lovers won't be disappointed with this one at all, it's wonderful. All three of his whistling LP's are great. "Birds of a Feather" and (Art Linkletter's) "House Party Music" time are the others. Fred Lowery made more records, but as far as his LP's go, really only "Whistle A Happy Tune" and "Walking Along Kicking The Leaves" are pop in nature. His other LPs are religious and not as much fun. the Anita Kerr singers do some vocals on the former and there is some beautiful hawaiian guitar on the later. Lot's of great Fred Lowery Columbia 78's - the 40's were his heyday - the ones where he teams with vocalist Dorothy Rae are my favorites. Another great pop whistling record is by Art Coates, "Whistling For the Birds". a couple of my favorite tracks, Bubbles In The Wine and Yellow Bird will surely bring a smile to the face of the most skeptical of whistling recordings. Then there is Ralph Platt (whose whistling is much more bird like) and his buddy Lorin Whitney on pipe organ. They made a bunch of records - all sound about the same. Now we are getting into the hard core sacred stereo stuff on WORD and it's all pretty grim. But I like it :) Whitney made lots of religious records on his own and when paired with steel guitarist Bud Tutmarc, the results are quite good - especially the Hawaiian themed ones. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: (exotica) Current Obsessions... Date: 07 Mar 2001 21:03:50 -0800 ...Brazil, Tico-Tico, and Nola. I never could stand more than two versions of Caravan in succession, but the afformentioned melodies seem to benefit from being juxtaposed with other intrepretations of themselves. Not that these are definitive versions, but I tend to favor the following: Brazil - Esquivel. It's just so...BIG. Tico Tico - Charlie Parker. Never heard it so ernestly played. Nola - Billy Williams. How cool is HE? ticotico.com has been registered - Damn! Ron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hemmel@gmx.net Subject: (exotica) Tiki & Koala Bar Date: 08 Mar 2001 14:48:39 +0100 (MET) at: http://www.krypton1.com/index40.html -- visit the ***Space Escapade*** Exotic Club Pop Entertainment with Guests and the Lemon Squeezer Sound System at the Atomic Cafe, Neuturmstr. 5, Munich, every Tuesday Night http://www.atomic.de/ Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: (exotica) oodly, oodly Date: 08 Mar 2001 06:55:24 -0800 (PST) Anyone know where I can get a copy of the OST from "Chuck and Buck"? I need to tape that wonderful godawful song "Freedom of the Heart". Seems not to be available from the usual online vendors. Oodly, oodly, oodly, oodly, oodly, oodly, fun, fun, fun...yeah! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: (exotica) oodly, oodly Date: 08 Mar 2001 07:39:26 -0800 Ha! Glad to my wife and I weren't the only ones to enjoy this delightfully twisted little film. We caught it when it just came out and were not at all prepared for the direction it suddenly took. I can't remember if he is Chuck or Buck, but the guy always sucking on the lollypops wrote and even briefly appeared in episodes of the excellent and short lived TV series "Freaks and Geeks". I've looked for the soundtrack ever since the day we saw the movie which was months ago and no luck. :( # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) oodly, oodly Date: 08 Mar 2001 08:02:59 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of basic hip > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 7:39 AM > I can't remember if he is Chuck or Buck, but the guy always sucking on the > lollypops wrote and even briefly appeared in episodes of the excellent and > short lived TV series "Freaks and Geeks". And the guy who plays Chuck (or Buck) and Chuck's (or Buck's) neighbor who couldn't act are brothers in real life, and are the writers-directors of "American Pie." Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) oodly, oodly Date: 08 Mar 2001 08:03:25 -0800 (PST) Yes, I loved it. At first I thougt it was going to be some overdone Peter-Pan syndrome stalker film. But I found it to sweet, warped, blackly funny - and, well, exotic, given the usual fare. Miguel Marteta, who directed C&B, directed Freaks and Geeks (the cerebrally functional person's "That 70s Show")as well. But mostly it's that damn song. It's in my head like a titanium plate. The composer is Gwendolyn Sanford... can't find any releases. --- basic hip wrote: > Ha! > Glad to my wife and I weren't the only ones to enjoy > this delightfully > twisted little film. > I've looked for the soundtrack ever since the day we > saw the movie which was > months ago and no luck. :( __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) oodly, oodly Date: 08 Mar 2001 08:13:31 -0800 (PST) One more bit on this film: Jonathan Richman and The Modern Lovers' "Astral Plane was also part of the ST. Wonderful choice given Richman's sometimes mordant, but always genuinely childlike (in the sense of always attentive to the basic marvel of daily existence)attitude. Sort of a pre-pubescent Zen. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Some fill-ups in my exotica collection Date: 08 Mar 2001 17:46:17 +0100 (CET) citerar Brian Phillips : > That's spelled PHILLIPS, actually... > > Brian...you know. Brian, I hate to tell you this... But you are wrong, it's PHILIPS. Magnus :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) Tikiapolis Date: 08 Mar 2001 09:05:21 -0800 Hola Matt, There used to be a great polyesian place I think at the old Lemmington. this is where much of my love of polynesian dining started. I'd always make my parents take me there for my birthday. Alas, this is of no help to you now. I don't know where you can find any Umbrella drinks in the Twin Cities. However, if you haven't been there already, I do highly recommend Nyes Polonaise Room, just north of the Mississippi on Hennepin Ave-great piano bar and decor. Plus, next door, there is usually a good polka group playing. The place is packed on weekends, and a loud hawaiian shirt would fit in, though a polyester leisure suit would be more a propos. a couple of years ago I went to a place on the Midway in St Paul called the Turf Club, where they had a band playing pretty good bossa nova stuff. This is all I know, as my visits to Mpls are quite infrequent. Christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mark jung" Subject: (exotica) Re:Where to find Exotica clip-art for sale Date: 08 Mar 2001 17:36:03 Dover Publications, america's greatest cheap little reprint house, has started releasing CD-ROMs with typefaces (24 scalable fonts in upper & lower case, both true type and postcript type 1 for mac & windows) and clip art (b&w, 600 DPI in six formats, all between 100 - 300 images) for 14.95 for the singles (with a printed book), or 4 for $49.95, and mega-bundles of 15 for $149.95. some GREAT stuff in there, copyright free, and they're adding more titles each season. downside is, dover's the only company in the universe without a web site. call 516 294-7000 and ask for a catalog - "electronic clip art" & "display fonts series" in their "pictorial archive catalog"'s what you want. mark >on 3/6/01 8:13 PM, HEDCANDY@aol.com at HEDCANDY@aol.com wrote: > > > Anyone have a line on some affordable Retro / Exotica clip art for sale? >I > > teach a high school commercial arts class and am looking for something >that > > has some images or some cool retro fonts. Any suggestions? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hodge" Subject: (exotica) Groovy soundtracks - help Date: 08 Mar 2001 17:05:57 -0000 Hi I'm an infrequent contributor to this list but always find it an excellent source of info regarding my developing musical tastes. A big thank you to all of you for helping out - whether you were aware or not! I now plan to do less lurking and more contributing as I think I now have something to say regarding 'now sounds' (I'm less confident with exotica) I wonder if there's anyone who could help me with my quest for groovy soundtracks. I've just acquired the 'Hammersmith is Out' OST LP which is fantastic! The tracks 'Kiddo' and 'Snake dance' are exactly what I'm searching for (funky organic grooves with brass). I love the Blow Up comps, Italian library comps such as Sonorissima and Sound Gallery 'now sound' type tracks. I would like to know about OSTs that are worth collecting - with funky tracks yes but also with a real moody feel. Just like 'Hammersmith is Out'. I can't praise it highly enough. I know I'm not really contributing here to a discussion but any help would be very much appreciated Regards Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: (exotica) Tiki Charms Date: 08 Mar 2001 09:53:25 -0800 (PST) Does anyone have a line on where to find gold (14k)tiki charms? I can only come up with silver and plate. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Tiki palaces on the internet Date: 08 Mar 2001 19:02:38 +0100 (CET) The hero in my cartoon will soon walk by a tiki palace, a crucial ingredience later in the story. I NEED PICTURES. Br Cleve sended me some postcards a year ago, but I need more. Any idea of where to find tiki restaurant images on the internet, from the outside this time? Yes, I am waiting desperatly for a copy of Book of Tiki. Ordered it three month ago by my local bookshop, but got tired of waiting and choosed the Barnes and Noble website. Amazon.com always result's in custom charges in sweden. Kinda desperate, please help! Magnus Visit: -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: CD-Rs - Labels, protection Date: 08 Mar 2001 15:32:46 +0100 Moritz wrote: >I haven't heard that a label is a protection for the CD and I cannot >imagine why this should be the case. because the data layer is a very thin aluminium foil, protected at the data side by a piece of plastic, and at the other side by nothing more than the printing paint and some varnish... Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "james brouwer" Subject: Re: (exotica) Groovy soundtracks - help Date: 08 Mar 2001 18:22:14 -0000 hello paul >I've just acquired the 'Hammersmith is Out' OST LP which is >fantastic! I agree, it's a gem of an OST, and how about that picture of topless chicks playing drums for 'The Tits' on the back cover? can't beat that. >I love the Blow Up comps, Italian library comps such as Sonorissima and >Sound Gallery >'now sound' type tracks. you might like "Sound Spectrum" comp; the "Italia Erotica" comp on Bistro records; and the "Psycho Beat comp. Volume 3" >I would like to know about OSTs that are worth collecting - with funky >tracks yes but also >with a real moody feel. Just like 'Hammersmith is Out'. I can't praise it >highly enough. well, just off the top of my head: 1) THE ADVENTURERS by Ray Brown and Quincy Jones (funkish, sound-galleryish) 2) STILLETTO by Sid Ramin (not Funky, but very now-sounds) 3) BARBARELLA by Bob Crewe (unbeleivably good) 4) BULLITT by Lalo Schifrin (cool, 60's sounds) 5) THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR by Dave Grusin (some cool funkish, now-sounds, a few lame tracks though) 6) THE DEADLY AFFAIR by Quincy Jones (very dark, samba-ish, light now sounds -- sounds good at night) 7) FOLLOW ME by Stu Phillips (some cool 60's, wordless vocals stuff) also, get any of the STU PHILLIPS biker OSTs (ANGELS FROM HELL or HELL'S ANGELS ON WHEELS) 8) TRUCK TURNER by Isaac Hayes - goes for CHEAP on eBay, and I think it's a great blaxplo OST. "Pursuit of the Pimpmobile" is 9 minutes of great 70's street action soundtrack sounds. For blaxplo, I also like COFFY, MELINDA, WILLIE DYNAMITE, and THE SOUL OF NIGGER CHARLIE. 9) HAMMERHEAD by David Whittaker - great OST, totally underrated and overlooked. Very 60's ish, Sound-Gallery stuff 10) THE THEIF WHO CAME TO DINNER by Henry Mancini, has some fantastic slow early 70's grooves. Might fit your request for "moody". Superb. THERE ARE WAYYYYYY MORE THAN I'VE LISTED HERE - THIS AIN'T A COMPLETE ACCOUNT. Others on this list will give better suggestions than I, but I like OSTs a lot -- particularly the sort you're after -- and these came to mind. for more info check out "blaxploitation.com" (they review tons of cool OSTs). best of luck Paul, jbrouwer _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) St. Poi Date: 08 Mar 2001 12:23:51 -0600 Hola Christine! Thanks for the skinny on Nye's. I almost went there last night, but opted instead to try to find the legendary Bali Hai supperclub in Maplewood. Bali Hai had it all; exotic drinks, Polynesian decor, greasy Chinese food, and even a floor show with hula grrlz! I say "had" because as I sadly discovered, the Bali Hai was torn down less than a year ago to make room for....a Sprint telephone store!!!??? Jeez, when are we going to get our priorities straight and get with the program in this country? Why do we continually demolish the coolest stuff from our past and replace it with souless tilt-up concrete slab factories of rank commerce? Why, why, why, why??? So there's apparently no tiki in the Twin Cities, dammit. Somewhere out on the frozen tundra, a Lutheran farmer in a Hawaiian shirt and OshKosh B'Gosh overalls is weeping. Sadly, Matt -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiki palaces on the internet Date: 08 Mar 2001 13:51:42 -0500 Magnus Sandberg wrote: > The hero in my cartoon will soon walk by a tiki palace, a crucial ingredience later in the story. I NEED PICTURES. Try going to : http://pro.corbis.com/search and entering "tiki" or some other keyword. lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiki palaces on the internet Date: 08 Mar 2001 20:20:00 +0100 (CET) > Try going to : http://pro.corbis.com/search and entering "tiki" or some > other keyword Thanks Lou, there were some amazing pics there, some look like the tikis at the Marquesas islands. I will definetely have usage of these, but I found no restaurant images. No Tiki Pop. Maybe the idea is I have to create them myself.... But it so difficult to get it.. right... you know.. like it supposed to look... Trader Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiki palaces on the internet Date: 08 Mar 2001 20:32:10 +0100 (CET) citerar Mimi Mayer : > Mo has some great pix of Trader Vic's Munich on his site. Don't have the > URL handy, I regret. Think it's posted in the signature file on his emails. > Good luck, Magnus. Mimi > Yeah I know about those, completely incredible, but they are from the inside! Magnsu # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mr. Fodder" Subject: (exotica) Shooby Taylor MP3's Date: 08 Mar 2001 12:00:32 -0800 I think some of you will dig this. It's Shooby Taylor Time! THE SHOOBY TAYLOR MP3 ARCHIVE Plus there is a Wild Man Fischer Live Show from 1986 up too. It's all in the Interstellar Cafe, http://www.thebranflakes.com/mofo/icafe/index.html - Otis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: RE: (exotica) Shooby Taylor MP3's Date: 08 Mar 2001 12:28:34 -0800 From the bran flakes, be sure to follow the link to scrumpdillyishus (sp?) land for some seriously funked-up shockwave goodies with all kinds of incredibly-strange and exotic sound bytes, my fave being the Ken Griffin "Kringle Jingle" snippets that one hears when the mouse passes over certain text on the main page. I was just there...Synchronicity! Ron I think some of you will dig this. It's Shooby Taylor Time! THE SHOOBY TAYLOR MP3 ARCHIVE Plus there is a Wild Man Fischer Live Show from 1986 up too. It's all in the Interstellar Cafe, http://www.thebranflakes.com/mofo/icafe/index.html - Otis # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hemmel@gmx.net Subject: (exotica) Re: Zodiac Cosmic Sounds Date: 08 Mar 2001 22:19:37 +0100 (MET) Colleen asked and Johan wrote: > Colleen had asked if the Zodiac Cosmic Sounds was reissued... > it was (unofficially) re-released on limited heavy vinyl in 1999, but > i never came across it, and have no idea were to look for it. try > http://www.gemm.com I did get my copy in 1999 at: http://www.w-voelkel.de/ It is a good mailorder for all kinds of 60s beat/punk/psychedelia and also for exotic 60s Beat. He stocks stuff like the turkish delights comp, ultra chicks or the yugobeat explosions. ( but I WARN you about "the greece goes modern vol 1" Comp. very disappointing. Only bad covers sung in english I am not sure how up to date & complete his website is. Wolfgang (the nice guy who runs the mailorder) told me that the most of his consumers still don’t use it. me too, but just because I know that his regular mail-lists are better. Martin -- visit the ***Space Escapade*** Exotic Club Pop Entertainment with Guests and the Lemon Squeezer Sound System at the Atomic Cafe, Neuturmstr. 5, Munich, every Tuesday Night http://www.atomic.de/ Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Groovy soundtracks - help Date: 08 Mar 2001 16:31:22 -0500 At 05:05 PM 3/8/01 -0000, Paul Hodge wrote: > >I wonder if there's anyone who could help me with my quest for groovy >soundtracks. > >I would like to know about OSTs that are worth collecting - with funky >tracks Well you heard from Mr.Brouwer and he's the man when it comes to this kind of stuff. I could try and add a few but I make a distinction between groovy and funky and I'm not sure if the groovy soundtracks I like for example "Kaleidoscope", are actually funky. The only thing I can think of which is both groovy and funky is "Brewster McCloud", one whole side of which has a funky groove. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) Black Widow, mama Date: 08 Mar 2001 16:41:28 -0800 (PST) hile i was picking this up i saw some lalo schifrin disc called "black widow" i think. it appeared to be some old ost. but then i saw the word remix so i wasn't sure what it was. does anyone have this? i seem to recall a vague discussion of this before. william in taipei. OH JEEZUS! This is album is so fucking fanstastic---you must take a superjet back to where you saw it and go buy, NOW! Among it's other charms is a disco version of QUIET VILLAGE, and other nice bitso-o-thee-now-sound! Lovin Lalo, Jane Fondle, who btw sez the RUSH HOUR ost that Lalo composed is purty friggin good, too~!! ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Groovy soundtracks - help Date: 08 Mar 2001 19:43:23 EST In a message dated 3/8/1 6:49:12 PM, azed@pathcom.com wrote: >At 05:05 PM 3/8/01 -0000, Paul Hodge wrote: >>I wonder if there's anyone who could help me with my quest for groovy >>soundtracks. I happen to have a few handy here...These are primarily groovy with a dash of funk in some places: Neal Hefti-How To Murder Your Wife Hugo Montenegro-Lady In Cement Nino Rota/Armando Trovajoli-Boccaccio '70 Jimmie Haskell-I'll Take Sweden Francis Lai-Live For Life Pete Rugolo-The Sweet Ride Michel Legrand-The Young Girls Of Rochefort Unknown-Palm Springs Weekend Neal Hefti-Lord Love A Duck Frank DeVol-Guess Who's Coming To Dinner Andre Previn/Johnny Williams-Valley Of The Dolls Ken Thorne-Inspector Clouseau The Association-Goodbye Columbus Luiz Bonfa/Eumir Deodato-The Gentle Rain Johnny Williams-Penelope Dennis Farnon-Arrivederci Baby! Johnny Williams-How To Steal A Million Stelvio Cipriani-Come Together Neal Hefti-Barefoot In The Park Johnny Williams-Not With My Wife You Don't Lynn Murray/Burt Bacharach-Promise Her Anything George Romanis-8 On The Lam # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: (exotica) A Secret Revealed Date: 08 Mar 2001 16:47:57 -0800 (PST) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Eilert=20Pilarm=20hits=20G=E4vle?= The swedish elvis impersonator is in town! Tomorrow there will be concert at "The Heartbreak Hotel". I will post a review in a couple of days. Magnus Magnus IS the Swedish Elvis! Love, 'Cilla ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jane Fondle Subject: Re: (exotica) Black Widow, mama Date: 08 Mar 2001 16:49:39 -0800 (PST) --- DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/8/1 7:42:25 PM, you wrote: > > >hile i was picking this up i saw some lalo schifrin > >disc called > >"black > >widow" i think. it appeared to be some old ost. but > >a vague discussion of this before. > > its Lalo on late CTI, circa 1976, and while it has > its moments I'd say avoid > it unless you really like CTI post 1973 fusion....JB Well, darling, dearone...You and I rarely spar, but I gotta say it's killah and I am partial to things CTI! William, et al, purchase at your peril, but Jane sent ya' (new people are asking, who the hell is she?) ===== "It's just my nature to do weird stuff." - Les Baxter Buy the debut release from Astroslut: LOVE AT ZERO G at: http://cdalley.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: (exotica) tiki mugs Date: 08 Mar 2001 18:03:13 -0700 i've had a banner week at the thrift stores finding tiki items -- mugs of all sorts on three different occasions, tiki salt 'n' peppa shakers, as well as some non-tiki related souvenir items. my question is: are wooden tiki mugs okay to drink from or are they strictly decorative (like those collectors plates that are only good for hanging on the wall)? mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) music for children's events Date: 08 Mar 2001 20:36:32 -0500 > while i was picking this up i saw some lalo schifrin disc called "black > widow" i think. it appeared to be some old ost. but then i saw the word > remix so i wasn't sure what it was. does anyone have this? i seem to recall > a vague discussion of this before. It's one of my favourites - not typical of other Schifrin stuff at all, but very funky if it's the Black Widow CD - but I'm curious about the "remix" part - perhaps it's not the original, but a remix version, in which case, I'd love to know what it is! cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOUSEOBOB@aol.com Subject: (exotica) re:oodly Date: 08 Mar 2001 20:38:55 EST I watched the first half of Chuck & Buck last night and fell in love with that song. I was driving today thinking that I would check the credits and find out where to find it. Oddly enough, I just saw Freaks and Geeks for the first time - I stumbled across a marathon showing on the family channel. I stopped changing channels when I saw that blond. She just...uh.....reminded me of high school. Great show. And now I'm off to find out what happens to Chuck and Buck. And find that song. Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: (exotica) *uck and *uck (Chuck and Buck) Date: 08 Mar 2001 18:14:11 -0800 For those of you wondering what the heck this song is that is dancing in our heads, hear a little snip at the official site: http://www.chucknbuck.com/ make sure you click on the "enhanced" lollypop # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: (exotica) Looking for Michael Greenberg Date: 08 Mar 2001 19:44:33 -0800 Michael Greenberg, are you out there? If so, please drop me a line. or if anybody has his email, please send it to me. Sorry to clutter your mailboxes with this, everyone # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) *uck and *uck (Chuck and Buck) Date: 08 Mar 2001 23:18:56 -0500 Okay, so now it's dancing in all of our heads...oodlyoodlyoodlyoodlyoodlyoodlythanksthanksthanks... Has this movie been released? I haven't heard of it, but it may not have made it to our fair country yet (or the wonderful "nation of Quebec"...) cheryl > For those of you wondering what the heck this song is that is dancing in our > heads, hear a little snip at the official site: > http://www.chucknbuck.com/ > make sure you click on the "enhanced" lollypop # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) *uck and *uck (Chuck and Buck) Date: 08 Mar 2001 23:29:43 -0500 At 11:18 PM 3/8/01 -0500, cheryl wrote: .> >Has this movie been released? I haven't heard of it, but it may not have >made it to our fair country yet (or the wonderful "nation of Quebec"...) . I'm sure it made it there. It's on video here. And it's good. 7 out of 10. maybe 8. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: (exotica) Marisa's computer Date: 08 Mar 2001 22:43:49 -0800 Hey, all you mac experts...Marisa needs your help! I am absolutely clueless for macs (me know pc, no mac!), but I bet you have an idea. Marisa says she checked her email and visited some sites yesterday afternoon at lunch. Everything was working fine then. But when she came home from work the browser simply wouldn't launch. She says she spent 4 hours trying to get it to go...to no avail. Her computer, she says, is a Mac PowerPC 600 (or 6000, one of those) with an 8.0 OS, and the browser is Netscape Communicator 4.51. The browser is launched by a document called Browse the Web, which is located in the Desktop Folder, which is an invisible folder on the hard drive. Marisa also says her modem is doing its thing and she didn't touch the settings. Someone had suggested she reload Netscape and her operating system...but Marisa doesn't have the original software. What can she do? Byron ___...--''''***^^^^^^""""""^^^^^***''''---___ "You've got to stand for something or ||| you'll fall for anything." ||| ||| ---John Mellencamp ||| ||| ||| |||bag AT hubris DOT net Portland, OR, USA||| """^^^'''***----...__________...----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: (exotica) Marisa's computer--addendum Date: 08 Mar 2001 22:48:14 -0800 BTW--Marisa joined the list like a year ago but later left...but she still enjoys the music that is USUALLY the list topic. Sorry about an off-topic question (I didn't MEAN to send it here...but I hope you can help anyway). Byron ___...--''''***^^^^^^""""""^^^^^***''''---___ "You've got to stand for something or ||| you'll fall for anything." ||| ||| ---John Mellencamp ||| ||| ||| |||bag AT hubris DOT net Portland, OR, USA||| """^^^'''***----...__________...----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) tiki mugs Date: 09 Mar 2001 11:42:48 +0100 kendoll schrieb: > are wooden tiki mugs okay to drink from or are they strictly decorative I'd say decorative, although it's of course up to the personal taste of e= verybody, how to use items of style. most wooden tiki miugs I know have a= handle, as if they were designed to drink hot drinks, such as tea and co= ffee or punch from them. maybe, but as wood is a bit sensible to humidity= and heat, I would rather not do that either. these wooden mugs are not e= xpensice though - which puzzles me, as they are hand-carved. I think they= are the right mugs to give to your children. just cut of the handle and = your child has a nice personal mug for the years 4-10. Mo -- studio R kunst f=FCr kinder jeden alters http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Secret Revealed Date: 09 Mar 2001 13:13:59 +0100 (CET) Jane Fondle wrote: > Magnus IS the Swedish Elvis! > Love, 'Cilla Well she oughtta know, we have been engaged you know... For an hour at least. Before she married. I miss your kisses dear. Eilert Pilarm was great!!! I'll write a report later today Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) *uck and *uck (Chuck and Buck) Date: 09 Mar 2001 06:01:06 -0800 (PST) Awesome. That a cup of tar-black coffee makes the morning boot-up a pleasure. It's in my startup menu. (All I need now is a Banana Splits-yellow VW van and a 90 minute tape of that song!) Thanks! --- basic hip wrote: > > For those of you wondering what the heck this song > is that is dancing in our > heads, hear a little snip at the official site: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) tiki mugs Date: 09 Mar 2001 06:07:55 -0800 (PST) I have quite a few of these mugs (and even a wooden ladle which is like the cups and has a tiki for handle as well), some of which claim to be hand carved from "monkey pod wood." Sure. I assumed they were used as punch vessels: scoop out of the bowl, or, if you have the tiki ladle... But I have never drank out of any of them because I'm not so sure how clean you scrub 30-40 year old wood. I think of trenchmouth dozing in the cells of the wood. > > > > kendoll typed: > > > are wooden tiki mugs okay to drink from or are > they strictly decorative __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiki palaces on the internet Date: 09 Mar 2001 06:18:46 -0800 (PST) Try this one on, my brother: http://www.maikai.com/ --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: (exotica) Thanks for Michaels address Date: 09 Mar 2001 06:44:00 -0800 Thanks for the help, my friends! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) A fool such as I. The Eilert Pilarm concert Date: 09 Mar 2001 18:43:45 +0100 (CET) Eilert Pilarm at the Heartbreak Hotel in G=E4vle mars 8 2001 I was looking forward to the concert this night, Eilert Pilarm was=20 about to sing, and I have enjoyed his off beat interpretation of Elvis'=20 wellknown reportoir for some 5 years. I have never seen him perform=20 live. The concert was starting at 11 pm, at the Elvis-soaked "The=20 Heartbreak Hotel" in G=E4vle, Sweden. This is the place to go to if you=20 are middle aged and like to dance to fifties rock and schlager. I have=20 been there a few times before and it is quite amazing, no hostile=20 atmosphere as the places with younger crowds in this town can have.=20 Often very drunk guests, but big smiles and a companero approach. I=20 drank a bottle of red wine to my dinner, just to get me in the right=20 mood.=20 In the taxi I was adviced to buy rave music, the driver was playing=20 some of that techno I cant stand, but he was kind of funny, I told him=20 I was going to see an Elvis impersonator who sang quite funny, but he=20 did not get it, instead he complained about the places in the town,=20 that there were no places for rave's anymore. I was glad when I got out=20 of his car. The ticket costed about $10, nothing to complain about, and I instantly=20 felt that this was going to be an special night because IT WAS CROWDED.=20 The middle aged seemed to have stayed home, and instead it was people=20 in their twenties there. Eilert Pilarm may have gathered attention=20 from a whole new audience since he started to show up on the commercial=20 television doing advertising playing himself for a company I can't=20 recall. I stood 30 minutes and waited to order a cider, the personel=20 had T-shirts with Eilert Pilarm prints, made especially for the=20 evening, and I thought if I was going to ask them how much they costed,=20 but I choosed not to. All of a sudden I heard the wellknown voice of=20 Eilert and when I turned around the small scene with the dance floor=20 was very crowded, I did not see Eilert, but I knew he was somewhere in=20 that mess performing. I lit a cigarette and started to move forward=20 into the crowd, while paying attention to the peoples faces and words.=20 Only happy smiles to my surprise and an occasional -"He is sooo bad..=20 It's incredible" or "He is so funny!". While coming close enough so I=20 could see him I parked myself at one of the loudspeaker's, the volume=20 was quite low so it was not painful. A little lowdown was that he=20 performed with a prercorded tape, but he sang for real. There was=20 something about his eyes that hit me, he was enjoying himself bigtime!=20 His eyes shined like stars! The crowd pulled out their hands towards=20 him wanting him to touch them and so he did between the songs, to their=20 joy. I noticed some affacionados that smiled towards me, like they were=20 saying "Is it not great?" "He is for real!" Are You Lonesome Tonight?=20 Blue Suede Shoes, Don't Be Cruel and Hound Dog was among the songs he=20 sung, now for those of you who have not heard him I can tell you that=20 he doesnt know how to speak english, he just tries to sing the same=20 tones as his beloved Elvis sings them, and sometimes he gets it all=20 wrong, but that only makes it better off course. Then he started=20 singing Blue Hawaii and I screamed like all the others "YEAH EILERT=20 EILERT EILERT". I noticed that the people behind me, who was merely=20 laughing at first was all exitement now. HE HAD US ALL UNDER HIS=20 SPELL!!! Pretty soon all was dancing like Elvis himself was on stage, and there=20 was a real loving feeling in the air. Some of the elder ones looked=20 really nostalgic, liked they missed their youth. I think it went on for=20 about an hour, he delivered the classics from his CDs, and even some=20 stuff that I did not know about. Suddenly it was over, but we wanted=20 more, so a lot of screams later he came up on stage and performed a=20 very touching version of A fool such as I. The words hit me and I felt=20 a sadness, but not for long, Eilert was really happy this night and he=20 make us all feel a little better, and I left the place while he was=20 doing his last number. I walked home in the darkness, bought a hot=20 dog... Everything was back to normal again. But the memory lives on, A=20 memory of an honest man doing his best. He is very touching and people=20 feet that this guy does not fool you like all the other artists=20 nowadays. Eilert Pilarm is something else. Ford, Johan... You should=20 have been there! Magnus -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Taub Subject: (exotica) Devo Members Reunite As Surf Band Date: 09 Mar 2001 12:58:12 -0500 Don't think this is too off topic Link here (Took me several tries as the server was busy). http://www.billboard.com:80/daily/2001/0307_06.asp Eric # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: The Millionaire Subject: (exotica) Ferrante & Teicher interview appeal Date: 09 Mar 2001 10:05:38 -0800 Hi all, I'm going to be interviewing Art Ferrante and Lou Teicher on LuxuriaMusic this MONDAY March 12, at 9:30 AM (pst)/12:30 PM(est)...for about a half hour.This is their first inteerview together in 12 years!! Though I will be talking mostly about their new release and, also their upcoming return to prepared-piano recordings (!!!!), I thought it would be fun to canvass the afficionados out here for interview question suggestions. If there's anything you'd like to know...here's your chance .Bear in mind, this is a pretty brief interview, so I'll probably only be able to get to a few questions, but I'll definitely use the best ones!That's what a resource like this is good for! Please reply privately to my Yahoo account: rkriviera@yahoo.com Have a great weekend!! The Millionaire LuxuriaMusic 1424 Lincoln Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90401 phone:(310) 319-3833 fax:(240) 376-7734 www.luxuriamusic.com "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." -Hunter S. Thompson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) A fool such as I. The Eilert Pilarm concert Date: 09 Mar 2001 10:35:32 -0800 (PST) To hear den Kung (and you should): http://www.algonet.se/~pergunne/ljud.html Perhaps Steven Van Zandt could lend his elvonic toupee: http://www.algonet.se/~pergunne/eilert.html --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: > > > Eilert Pilarm at the Heartbreak Hotel in Gävle mars > 8 2001 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Laughs in Sweden Date: 09 Mar 2001 19:39:00 +0100 (CET) I just heard on TV in a news report on laugh-therapists that in the fifties we laughed approximately 18 minutes per day. Today we laugh 6 minutes per day, A girl who was interviewed said this: "We live in a serious country, we are serious poeople, that is why we are facing serious problems". It all can't be that serious 'cause we live in a fairytale, we have a King and Queen. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Re: CD vs. Vinyl, Vol. 7 (aprox.) Date: 09 Mar 2001 14:07:35 -0500 This reminds me of the LP "Sleep Dirt" by Frank Zappa. The CD is actually = produced much *differently* so that that songs are actually NOT the same = on the CD version!!!!! (They're worse of course....) - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Groovy soundtracks - help Date: 09 Mar 2001 11:25:46 -0800 >I wonder if there's anyone who could help me with my quest for groovy soundtracks. I would highly recommend the Jazzbeat comps, as well as the Shake Sauvage comp. Sound library tracks, with a wealth of different kinds of material you might like. And I believe that the Truck Turner soundtrack was just reissued. A lot of people like the Shaft soundtrack, but I think that's just because it's a more popular film. I think Truck Turner is a much better soundtrack, or let's just say I like listening to it, and playing it, unlike the Shaft soundtrack. Unlucky --- Mr. Unlucky presents Shoot To Kill, a weekly set of jazz, soundtrack music, Now Sound, and the occasional foray into international territory on Supersphere.com, Thursdays 1-2 p.m. (CST). Many past sets are archived for future listening pleasure. http://www.supersphere.com Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Laughs in Sweden Date: 09 Mar 2001 14:45:35 -0500 At 07:39 PM 3/9/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: .> >I just heard on TV in a news report on laugh-therapists that in the >fifties we laughed approximately 18 minutes per day. Today we laugh 6 >minutes per day. I'd be more interested in finding out what makes people laugh than how much they laugh. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 09 Mar 2001 12:02:37 -0800 >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:23:54 -0500 >From: "Brian" >Subject: Re: (exotica) The disappearing record dealers > >You cannot easily buy a turntable and Turntables are still being made for as low as a couple hundred bucks new, and you can get good deals on used ones at ebay. >records are for the most part no longer produced. That really doesn't bother me much, because interesting music is no longer produced for the most part either. CD is fine for stuff recorded digitally. >The market for them is >very specialized, from DJs to old(er) collectors. They take up a lot of >space in stores and they don't move quickly as the bad ones seem to stay. I don't see records in retail stores, except for expensive specialty shops. But they are at just about every garage sale, library book sale and swap meet I go to. You just need to plug in to the right places to look. >If you ask me Ebay and other like businesses is the way this will all go as >the cost/profit ratio of running a vinyl stocked record store worsens. You >just gave to see the mounds of vinyl in the thrift stores, most of it going >begging even there, to know this won't go on forever. I can still find piles of 78s, and they haven't been made since the early 60s, so I wouldn't throw out that turntable yet. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Fred Waring Date: 09 Mar 2001 12:02:40 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >In a message dated 03/07/01 7:03:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, >spaceagepop@earthlink.net writes: > ><< Now ... every other Fred Waring album I've ever seen sucks, though. >> Fred Waring had a career that goes back to the late 20's. You are looking at the wrong end of the animal. In the early 30's he had a hopping little dance band. I see a lot of mention of artists like Xavier Cugat, Les Brown, Guy Lombardo and Waring on here referring to their mid to late 60's LP's... Very little of this stuff is much good for anything but novelty value. Go back a few decades, and you'll find that these guys put out first class music that you can listen to without that "so bad it's good" sneer on your face. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hodge" Subject: (exotica) groovy soundtracks Date: 09 Mar 2001 19:09:15 -0000 Thanks to everyone who's suggested groovy/funky 'now sound' type soundtracks. I'll be keeping a close eye on ebay for these - although I guess some of them go for a small fortune?! Any more I should look out for? Two other favourites of mine - Get Carter & Vampyros Lesbos. I never get tired of these. Another question: did The Free Design ever contribute to a soundtrack. Just a thought (and a very nice one at that) Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Laughs in general Date: 09 Mar 2001 12:02:24 -0800 (PST) One comedian said that "nothing is funnier than unhappiness." (cf. Three Stooges...). The suffering of incongruity. In a pinch, N2O does a particularly fine job, too. --- alan zweig wrote: day. > > I'd be more interested in finding out what makes > people laugh than how much > they laugh. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 09 Mar 2001 21:34:13 +0100 (CET) citerar bigshot : > That really doesn't bother me much, because interesting music > is no longer produced for the most part either. CD is fine for > stuff recorded digitally. I agree with you, but it does not feel very good to do so... What has happened with humanity? Somehow it feels that the devil in us is just agressive and dark, and the other side is just following its trail. We work harder than ever before and we listen to music for robots. Now when I had my psychosis I experienced a nazi takeover, I just wasnt able to make my own decisions, lets hope this was only something in my imagination and my awareness of my dark inner self, anyway those experiences is long gone now, except sometimes in my dreams. I have even dreamt of meeting Hitler, I walked up to him and asked him: "Mr Hitler, wouldn't it be nicer if we all loved each other instead of hating?" My mind just couldnt give an answer to that so I awoke. Even since the 80s I have seen a pleasant world being concured by yuppies and technofaschist people, I just wish for those people to go away and leave me alone, or to see a revolution in pure human emotion, to kick their asses and start a better way of living. When I was little I hated christianity, because the lively part of me was a beast, now when seeing the insane state our world has come into, I am ashamed and actually feel responsible. I feel more at easy with the generation before me, and the one before them. It is something about decency, that I just think my generation lack. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) Sound ONline Inventory and Catalog Date: 09 Mar 2001 16:07:10 -0500 A tip o' the 10 gallon hat to The Scout Report for bringing this site to my attention: SONIC - Sound ONline Inventory and Catalog http://www.loc.gov/rr/record/ The Library of Congress has recently released an online catalog that allows access to the records of the largest publicly available audio collection in the world. SONIC contains approximately 350,000 entries, representing over 25 percent of the Library's sound recording holdings. SONIC offers information to the public for the first time about a number of collections. These include over 100,000 45 rpm discs, 82,000 78 rpm discs, 68,000 NBC records from the 1930s-60s, 1,500 WWII Marine Corps combat recordings, and 2,000 "Meet the Press" broadcasts, among others. Visitors may search the catalog by keyword, title, name, or subject. Also available are several special "search screens" for specific searches, such as radio broadcasts, music only, or spoken word only. Audio samples are not provided online; instead the site lists standard catalog information, such as title, publication status, medium, work(s), genre, and a brief phyical description. The site includes a guide to using the collections and two finding aids. From The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-2001. http://scout.cs.wisc.edu/ lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gingerich Subject: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 09 Mar 2001 16:11:09 -0500 hi looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses. Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions? thanx pg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 09 Mar 2001 16:17:54 -0500 Do you mean the Glass Harmonica aka Glass Armonica? http://www.google.com/search?q=%22glass+harmonica%22 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22glass+armonica%22 lousmith@pipeline.com peter.gingerich@wcom.com wrote: > hi looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses. Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions? thanx pg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 09 Mar 2001 16:25:44 -0500 Sorry, Peter, did you mean Glass Harp, and not Glass Armonica? Try these, or enter "glass harp" in an engine (but watch out for links meant for that 60's power trio): http://www.glasharfe.de/texte/Glasshrp.htm http://www.masterpiece.cc/glasses.htm http://glass.4mg.com/anglais.htm lousmith@pipeline.com peter.gingerich@wcom.com wrote: > hi looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses. Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions? thanx pg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 09 Mar 2001 15:42:18 -0600 If you mean the Glass Harmonica, there's one called "Music for Glass Harmonica" (Vox Unique 9008) by Bruno Hoffman. It's all classical works, however. Don't know of any glass harmonica recordings of popular music, but it would be a gas! Darrell Brogdon The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) more uses for glass Date: 09 Mar 2001 17:12:45 -0500 http://www.finkenbeiner.com/links.html http://glass.4mg.com/discoangl.htm and check here for links to Glass Music International, the association of people who insist on getting sounds out of glass: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22glass+music+international%22 off to hoist a few glasses of my own, lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 09 Mar 2001 17:24:34 -0700 Peter Gingerich wrote: > looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses. > Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions? i have a cassette of glass harmonica music by The Furry Eggs (94 rue de l'Espinay, Quebec, Quebec, Canada G1L 2H5 -- it's an old cassette so this address may not be useful). besides classical pieces, they do versions of moon dance, eidelweiss, chopsticks and moon river. they provide this note: "The glass harmonica or angelica was invented in 1749 by Richard Pockeridge, and reached its peak with Mozart's Adagio and Rondo in 1791. Its demise early in the 19th century was probably due to the belief that its harmonic tones could cause nervous disorders." mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 09 Mar 2001 19:34:06 EST In a message dated 3/9/1 4:08:17 PM, peter.gingerich@wcom.com wrote: >looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses. > >Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions? A CD-Rom called "Thinkin' Things" for kids has a duck that plays some wine glasses...Hope that helps...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: (exotica) off-topic MAC query for Bag@hubris.net Date: 09 Mar 2001 16:50:28 -0800 I'm trying to help our friends with the Netscape problem, and I suspect Zapping the PRAM and rebuilding the desktop will help, but I forget how to do these things as i have not had a mac for a few years now. Would a current Mac-owner please post the basic steps to these procedures? Otherwise I'll dig through an old mac book and see if I can find it. Thanks. Ron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 09 Mar 2001 18:24:26 -0800 don't know of any recordings of wine glasses but there used to be a bartender at the Minneapolis Club in Great Falls Montana who used to play songs on all of the liquor bottles. This isn't any help, but just a memory that I had to share. christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 09 Mar 2001 22:05:18 -0500 >"The glass harmonica or angelica was invented in 1749 by Richard >Pockeridge, and reached its peak with Mozart's Adagio and Rondo in 1791. >Its demise early in the 19th century was probably due to the belief that >its harmonic tones could cause nervous disorders." Somewhere I've heard the theory that the nervous disorders (suffered by musicians playing the instrument) were caused by high lead content in the glass bowls (or lead paint on the bowls), which was absorbed through their wet fingertips. The instrument makes a cameo appearance in Thomas Pynchon's "Mason & Dixon", at the hands of Ben Franklin in a Philly pub. (what an oddly constructed sentence) m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: (exotica) A fool such as I. The Eilert Pilarm concert Date: 09 Mar 2001 10:03:08 -0600 Magnus, Your review was wonderful, I felt your excitement. Is he well known all over Europe or just Sweden? It sounds like you had a wonderful night...thanks for sharing it. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hodge" Subject: (exotica) Hefti - How to murder your wife Date: 10 Mar 2001 08:04:52 -0000 On the subject of Groovy Soundtracks... Can anyone tell me how groovy is Neal Hefti's 'How to murder your wife' OST? And what type of groovy: jazz, swinging go-go, now sounds...? I've yet to see the film...what's it like? Thanks in advance Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) A fool such as I. The Eilert Pilarm concert Date: 10 Mar 2001 11:11:55 +0100 (CET) citerar Colleen Pyles : > > Magnus, > Your review was wonderful, I felt your excitement. Is he well known > all over Europe or just Sweden? It sounds like you had a wonderful > night...thanks for sharing it. Well, from what I have heard he is featured with a chapter in Irwin Chusids book about outsider artists, "Songs from k to z" or something like that, i have not read it myself, maybe some other listee can tell us... He was voted "artist of the year" in some radio show in great britain, but I dont know if he is that famous... He does his own thing. He is a truly original, the kind that unforunately seems to disappear, over here anyway. Thanks for the kind words about my review, yes it was wonderful. The sparkle in his eyes I will never forget. I am glad you liked it :) Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 10 Mar 2001 14:06:52 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > citerar bigshot : > > > interesting music is no longer produced for the most part either. > > I agree with you I really can't believe such comments. I think we are living in one of the most interesting productive period in music history. I guess it owes partly to this kind of attitude that people like Jill Mingo left this list. That is, I don't just guess - I *know* it. Here's a quote from the popnouveau list: > I think the new Pizzicato 5 LP is one of their best yet. I don't think it > is particularly housey - I think it sounds very traditional and very > poppy. Absolutely fresh and retro-influenced. Nothing mixed about it for > me. It fucking rules!!! I can't stop listening to it, and I've never > really been their biggest fans although I do like them (or I wouldn't > have shelled out $30 for the CD!) > Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "tiki_ head" Subject: Re: (exotica) Devo Members Reunite As Surf Band Date: 10 Mar 2001 14:42:22 -0000 Eric typed: > >Don't think this is too off topic >Link here (Took me several tries as the server was busy). > >http://www.billboard.com:80/daily/2001/0307_06.asp This is so far ON topic, it's scary! mr _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hemmel@gmx.net Subject: (exotica) What is happening in Milano, Italy ? Date: 10 Mar 2001 17:03:14 +0100 (MET) A friend of mine (Julia, a very nice person) will stay the next time in Milano for a practical course. Can someone recommend her interesting things like night live/clubs (she likes brasil, organ grovves etc.) and modern art. ? Isn't the home from SCHEMA Records Milano ? so where do they play there fantastic records ? BTW the new SCHEMA 12inch Descarga by Gerardo Frisina is ABSOLUT FANTASTIC, HOT HOT HOT GROOVY BONGOS... Thanks a lot Martin -- visit the ***Space Escapade*** Exotic Club Pop Entertainment with Guests and the Lemon Squeezer Sound System at the Atomic Cafe, Neuturmstr. 5, Munich, every Tuesday Night http://www.atomic.de/ Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jonathan richardson" Subject: (exotica) new Tipsy Date: 10 Mar 2001 08:20:20 -0800 Anybody out there heard the new Tipsy "Uh-OH"? I got it on Tuesday and am still digesting it. Sounds all as about as good as their first one, maybe better??!! The samples are not as easily recognised like on the first one, sounds like they really did some crate diggin' for this one. Surprised to find a friend of mine played some drums on it. Gotta listen to it more to give a real critique. -jonny yuma _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues Date: 09 Mar 2001 23:08:05 -0600 Hi guys, One of my favorite tunes is Swingin' Shepherd Blues by Moe Kaufman. Did he do anything else? And is this song on any comps or anything? I'm having trouble finding a copy of it. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Hefti - How to murder your wife Date: 10 Mar 2001 12:46:18 -0500 on 3/10/01 3:04 AM, Paul Hodge at paul.hodge@virgin.net wrote: > > On the subject of Groovy Soundtracks... > > Can anyone tell me how groovy is Neal Hefti's 'How to murder your wife' OST? > > And what type of groovy: jazz, swinging go-go, now sounds...? groovy jazz, mostly, with some swinging go go. A nice mid-60's track. Almost all of Hefti's tracks have these qualities ("Duel At Diablo", a western, doesn't, nor does "Synanon", a drama about junkies). The only thing about Hefti is he usually writes one theme and then just keeps rearrangeing it, but it's usually a hell of a theme and the arrangements are inventive. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues Date: 10 Mar 2001 12:50:39 -0500 on 3/10/01 12:08 AM, Colleen Pyles at colleen7@ireland.com wrote: > One of my favorite tunes is Swingin' Shepherd Blues by Moe Kaufman. > Did he do anything else? I've got a pretty groovy record by him called "Turned On" (Jubilee) - the cover of which features Moe starpped into an electric chair. Oh yeah, he's wearing a white Nehru suit, with yellow turtleneck and a medallion. Nice! It's Now Sound funk with some nice breakbeats. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: Re: (exotica) new Tipsy Date: 10 Mar 2001 13:54:24 -0500 yes yes yes it is definitely one to listen to over and over getting better and better with every listen. way out tracks, cool groovin tracks, beautiful tracks, rockin' tracks yet another masterpiece. i have yet to hear an electronica band sound better than these guys. uh oh jongoooooo! way to go dave!, (where R U?) a quick 2 cents bump >Anybody out there heard the new Tipsy "Uh-OH"? I got it on Tuesday and am >still digesting it. Sounds all as about as good as their first one, maybe >better??!! The samples are not as easily recognised like on the first one, >sounds like they really did some crate diggin' for this one. Surprised to >find a friend of mine played some drums on it. > >Gotta listen to it more to give a real critique. > >-jonny yuma ****************************************************** ***************************** ************* DJ Bump "Primitive Rhythms for Evolved Minds" Defective Records-Executive Producer bump@defectiverecords.com http://www.defectiverecords.com "Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Indy Rutks" Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 10 Mar 2001 13:15:11 -0600 Christine Karkow wrote: > don't know of any recordings of wine glasses but there used to be a > bartender at the Minneapolis Club in Great Falls Montana who used to play > songs on all of the liquor bottles. This isn't any help, but just a memory > that I had to share. Posts like this one are why I *love* this list! Thanks for sharing, Christine!! -Indy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues Date: 10 Mar 2001 16:30:13 -0500 >One of my favorite tunes is Swingin' Shepherd Blues by Moe Kaufman. >Did he do anything else? And is this song on any comps or anything? >I'm having trouble finding a copy of it. It appears on Volume 4 of the mighty fine "Teen Beat" series of comp CDs on Ace Records. CDs jam-packed with 30 instrumentals on each. They're up to Volume 5 now, I think, though I don't have that one yet. no relation, unfortunately, --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dlsmay@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Hefti - How to murder your wife Date: 10 Mar 2001 17:13:34 EST The movie itself is sort of startlingly misogynist. Verna Lisi is gorgeous. The plot revolves around Jack Lemmon being a cartoonist. He gets drunk and winds up married to an Italian woman. His comic strip becomes an outlet for his frustration and unhappiness with the marriage as his kid adventurer protagonist becomes dark and murderous. His wife disappears at the same time his comic character is murdering someone. He's put on trial, and somehow manages to get off the hook though he more or less argues he was justified in killing her (even though he didn't). She then turns up and they reconcile, but in the back of his mind he knows that he can't be tried twice for the same crime (double jeopardy). Of course, it's been a while since I saw it. Can't remember the soundtrack, but Hefti did have a knack for the groovy sounds. << On the subject of Groovy Soundtracks... Can anyone tell me how groovy is Neal Hefti's 'How to murder your wife' OST? And what type of groovy: jazz, swinging go-go, now sounds...? I've yet to see the film...what's it like? Thanks in advance Paul >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Hefti - How to murder your wife Date: 10 Mar 2001 18:22:30 -0500 At 08:04 AM 3/10/01 -0000, Paul Hodge wrote: > >On the subject of Groovy Soundtracks... > >Can anyone tell me how groovy is Neal Hefti's 'How to murder your wife' OST? > >And what type of groovy: jazz, swinging go-go, now sounds...? I don't think it's that groovy. And I love Hefti. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues Date: 10 Mar 2001 18:22:31 -0500 At 11:08 PM 3/9/01 -0600, Colleen Pyles wrote: > >Hi guys, >One of my favorite tunes is Swingin' Shepherd Blues by Moe Kaufman. >Did he do anything else? And is this song on any comps or anything? >I'm having trouble finding a copy of it. I don't know what you mean by anything else. My former neighbour Moe KOFFman has made records for forty years and continues to do so. He never again got as lucky as he did with Swingin Shepherd but then again, how many people have turned jazz riffs into hit singles? (A few. Can you name them?) He had some success in the seventies with a jazz version of Vivaldi's Four Seasons and subsequently did other jazz/classical crossovers. I have that Tuned-In thing that br.cleve mentioned and it's cool. I'd be surprised if there weren't other things like that lurking around but I haven't found any. My younger brother played music with Moe's sons when we were kids and I always sort of got off on the fact that he was a musician but also a family man with kids and a house and all that. I know that sounds naive but hey I was a teenager and I thought musicians were too cool to have families. Or something like that. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) the king of the minimum ebay bids Date: 10 Mar 2001 18:47:47 -0500 http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=collectlps& include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Check out this guy's auctions if you want to see the principle of high minimum bids in action. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) my day for ebay references Date: 10 Mar 2001 19:08:22 -0500 I watched Barbarella on TV last night and I thought maybe I would be willing to pay a little money for a copy of the record. So I come across this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1414875296 The description of the condition is what killed me. The guy wants minimally 45 bucks for the record but says the marks on the record don't affect the play "appreciably". Then he says "Great file copy". Har de har har. Sure. It plays okay. If you have two copies, this could be the copy you don't play. Just file it away. It'll cost you 56 dollars with shipping. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues Date: 10 Mar 2001 16:15:45 -0800 Moe Kaufman. > Did he do anything else?< Not only is ebay a great place to quickly find something specific, it is also an excellent reference for answering questions just like this. You'll come up with much more unusual findings than sources like the All-Music Guide which are CD heavy... So here is some Moe Koffman stuff, after checking out the active items, check out the "completed items". See something you want that closed with no bids? chances are good the seller will be happy to let you have it for the minimum. http://search-desc.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&quer y=moe+koffman&categoryid=&ht=1&st=0&category2=1071&srchdesc=y&maxRecordsPerP age=100&SortProperty=MetaEndSort How is that "Curried Soul" LP anyway? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues Date: 10 Mar 2001 21:16:21 -0500 >Moe Kaufman. > > Did he do anything else?< Swingin’ Shepard Blues! I’ve got on loan flutist “Herbie Mann The Beat Goes On” and there is a nice version of this song on there. The LP is described as “Afro-Cuban rock, Bossa Rock or Jazz on the rocks, for finger-snappers and the frugg ‘n’ watusi crowd”. Herbie Hancock is all over this LP. This was my favorite record a few days ago. A few weeks ago I asked about Moe Koffman’s “Museum Pieces.” The only reason I picked up an 8 TRACK copy of this was because someone on the list turned me on to Moe. Once again if anybody’s got a functional 8 track and wants it let me know. Domenic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) my day for ebay references Date: 10 Mar 2001 21:45:21 -0500 This one's been "reissued" - it shows up from time to time at Dusty Groove - it'll cost around $15 bucks with shipping, I think... And it's on red vinyl... cheryl > I watched Barbarella on TV last night and I thought maybe I would be > willing to pay a little money for a copy of the record. So I come across > this auction: > > Sure. It plays okay. If you have two copies, this could be the copy you > don't play. Just file it away. It'll cost you 56 dollars with shipping. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, March 11 Date: 11 Mar 2001 02:45:19 -0500 Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at: http://www.ckut.ca As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome. Space Bop #133 J-Pop In honour of International Women's Day, it's time for the annual week of Feminist Frequencies at CKUT. This year, we're playing lots of J-pop, female vocal stuff. Big thanks go our to William for the Souvenir 99 comp, and to Luis for the Montecarlo and Kyoto comps. Bridge: Watermelon Bikini "Souvenir 99" Mayumi Kojima: I've Got A. "Souvenir 99" Nice Fellow: Twinkle Twinkle Twinkle "Kyoto Copenhagen Capri" 5th Garden: Put A Little Love In Your Heart "Souvenir 99" Yukari Fresh: Yukarimpic 1/2/3 "Escalator Records, Tokyo" 800 Cherries: Dizzy Dizzy Dizzy "Montecarlo Luton Cadaquez" Takako Minekawa: Milk Rock "Montecarlo Luton Cadaquez" California Roma: Papillon "Kyoto Copenhagen Capri" Takako Minekawa: Fantastic Voyage "Fun9" Luminous Orange: Fresh Berry Soup "Kyoto Copenhagen Capri" Yukari Fresh And Schoniff Singers: If You Love Something "Montecarlo Luton Cadaquez" Pizzicato 5: World Is Spinning At 45 rpm "Happy End Of The World" Bridge: Soft Cream Whistle "Montecarlo Luton Cadaquez" Pizzicato 5: Tout Tour Pour Ma Cherie "Hommage A Polnareff" Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening. We'll be back with more testosterone next week... cheryls@dsuper.net brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James" Subject: Sv: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 11 Mar 2001 13:01:49 +0100 There was some Danish guy touring the "Floorshow" circuit in the 50´s and made appearences in hotels around Europe. I found his name in the archives of the Danish museum of musical history about 10 years ago while I was trying to find a theremin or a glass organ to borrow for my band. At that time I was into "ethermusic" and was fascinated by the glassorgan invented by Benjamin Franklin. The glass organ was a bunch of glass plates in different sizes hung on a roll much like records in old jukeboxes. You use Your feet to make them spin and after dipping Your finger in water You play the thing. It was meant primarily for playing sacred music (hymns and psalms) but was soon banned for being demonic as many a player went insane after having played the thing for years. It was believed that the heavenly sounds of the organ was the work of the devil. In reality the high amount of quicksilver in glass at that time was the reason to the players going insane. Mozart has composed for the glassorgan and so have other prominent composers of that time. I´m afraid I can´t remember the name of the Danish glass player but I´m sure that a search on glass organs will send You in the right directionn. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: (exotica) off-topic MAC query for Bag@hubris.net Date: 11 Mar 2001 10:06:37 -0500 > I'm trying to help our friends with the Netscape problem, and I suspect > Zapping the PRAM and rebuilding the desktop will help, but I forget how to > do these things as i have not had a mac for a few years now. I'm neither Mac user nor fan of Microsoft, but I can say the best thing I ever did to stop my computer from crashing on a regular basis was dump Netscpe and use Internet Explorer. I went one step further and dumped Wordperfect and Lotus for the Microsoft suite. The problem is each of these products competes with the already established Windows sytem for resources. The end result of this change is no more crashing but a large learning curve. I don't think a Mac behaves any differently in this respect but I leave that to the Mac users to confirm. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 11 Mar 2001 11:10:30 -0500 Steve wrote: > Turntables are still being made for as low as a couple hundred > bucks new, and you can get good deals on used ones at ebay. Other than some DJ brands or very high end there is little being produced. I don't argue you can get good deals on them and even outside of Ebay. > >records are for the most part no longer produced. > That really doesn't bother me much, because interesting music > is no longer produced for the most part either. I agree with Moritz as for me this is simply untrue. More later. > I don't see records in retail stores, except for expensive specialty > shops. But they are at just about every garage sale, library book > sale and swap meet I go to. You just need to plug in to the right > places to look. I think you misunderstand me. I look for vinyl solely in used record stores and there is no shortage of the stuff, just a shortage of quality stuff. As for garage sales you have to get to them before the dealers and as anyone who has held a garage sale knows, they tend to arrive before you open or the day before. Swap meets are not common in Canada and that's a shame if you ask me. One of the more enjoyable things about the US! Still I think you get my point. > I can still find piles of 78s, and they haven't been made since the > early 60s, so I wouldn't throw out that turntable yet. Even the stores I go to that are literally huge rooms full of vinyl don't stock 78's. Oh sure you can find them in places, but odds are there is even less quality stuff now than ever as even more years of picking over have depleted what are essentially finite supplies. However, I did a bit of research yesterday as I promised a fellow list member I'd loook for a certain Disney record. I hit the best places in town for vinyl and sifted through 5 - 6 thousand LPs. Instead of finding a number of OK things (only 1 copy of Binbo Jet, Moritz) I found nothing whatsoever of interest. Sure, a lot of Lucien Hetu and even a few Rene Simard (The Donny Osmond of Quebec) but really nothing much else. In fact one the granddaddy of them all, Marche des disques. was closing out and I found nothing at all. No I'm quite certain that the used store carrying vinyl is about to disappeaer. I asked Richard, the owner of the best store in town, and he conformed that the past few years have been a struggle for him, both to find anything interesting to sell, and to be able to move his stock. But the good news is while I was in his store, the only one I actually go to regularly, I found something to buy and had never come across any of the three either: Frank David Selection - Blues & Electronics (BASF, 1972) It's essentially a Blues/Jazz record with Moog sounds! Moog by Okko (I assume that's Okko Bekker!). This is the same label that released some of the rarest and most highly prized recordings from the mostly German Progeressive rock scene. (CDN $12) Sid Bass - Moog Espana (RCA, 1969) - Well its exactly what it says... Spanish music done with the Moog. The Moog tracks were supposedly programmed by Bob Moog himself according to the notes. This is an American production and its odd I've never come across this record before. (CDN $12) Lester Lanin - ...Play The Madison Avenue Beat (Epic, no date) - The record is Lester and orchestra playing music from 58 radio and TV commercials. I don't recognize many of the product associations, as they probably pre-date my TV (and obviously radio!) days but this is one solid record reminiscent of Music for TV Dinners! (CDN $8) I have really for the most part stopped looking for vinyl, other than in places I normally shop, ie places where the store owners know what their buying. Here I know I'll be paying more than thrift store prices but not pay Ebay prices. To answer Steve I surely won't throw out my turntable, at least not while I have 2000 plus vinyl records. Its just that I don't think I'll be adding to the collection anymore in any significant way. I did well these past years and Alan and Mortitz can both attest to the offerings that we have here. I think a page is about to turn though as many of the last holdout used stores finally go out of the vuinyl business. In high rent cities like Boston or New York I can see the pressure being even greater. Its coming... there's no denying it... simple economics. But unlike Steve I don't worry as there IS so much good new stuff out there! I think I've mentioned this before, how this is one of the nost creative periods I've lived through, certainly the strongest since the the heady days of the 1975-79 New Wave! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 11 Mar 2001 11:11:16 -0500 Magnus wrote: > Now when I had my psychosis I experienced a nazi takeover... I have > even dreamt of meeting Hitler, I walked up to him and asked him: "Mr > Hitler, wouldn't it be nicer if we all loved each other instead of > hating?" My mind just couldnt give an answer to that so I awoke. Sounds like waking up was the best thing because you may not have liked the answer! I know its a serious subject to joke about but we talk about what makes one laugh. I howled over this one as I tried to envision Hitler having a conversation in Swedish.... then I immediately thought of Eliart Pilarm as the Swedish Elvis and my first thought was what about an equally unlikely thing as a Swedish Hitler... OK we don't all laugh at the same things but Alan did want to know what makes people laugh. I'll shut up now. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: robert blahut Subject: (exotica) tipsy remix cd Date: 11 Mar 2001 11:23:20 -0600 Say! who is the person on the list that made me a Tipsy remix cd. i never got to thank them because it arrived at a point in time while i was going through a rough bout of depression. i would like to thank the person, and add that i am doing much, much better thanks to medication and therapy. i would also add that i really do enjoy the disk very much and that i am looking forward to new tipsy. i would also add that i would really like suggestions of bands (or individuals) that do something similar to tipsy. a sort of triphop/lounge remix thing (trilounghop???) thanks again to the person that made the disk and thanks to everyone on the exotica list, without your posts i really may have slipped away from this mortal coil. this list kept me grounded through a very difficult period and i am grateful. robert # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 11 Mar 2001 19:08:31 +0100 (CET) citerar Brian : I know its a serious subject to joke about but we talk about what > makes one laugh. I howled over this one as I tried to envision Hitler > having a conversation in Swedish.... then I immediately thought of Eliart > Pilarm as the Swedish Elvis and my first thought was what about an equally > unlikely thing as a Swedish Hitler I actually can laugh at all the trouble I had, but it sure felt like a reality back then. The atmosphere around me was against me. Doh! Picture from the Eilert concert can be viewed on my webpage where I have my review, or report or what you want to call it!: http://www.bellybongo.com/reviews/images/eilert_live.html Take a look at it! Amazing shot! Eilert the rockstar! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "james brouwer" Subject: Re: (exotica) the king of the minimum ebay bids Date: 11 Mar 2001 18:16:21 -0000 of course, the sad thing is that a few of those records look damn fine (i.e. "The Cool Scene"), but they're beyond my pockets too. There's barely anyone buying his records -- of course -- and he'd probably make more in the long run if he lowered his opening bids by half. i think that sometimes bidders just plain don't want to be beaten by another bidder and then bidding wars ensue and sellers profit. bidders sometimes get caught up in the desire to "win" at the competition that is the eBay auction, but this really only works if bids can accrue from low to high. or not... jb >From: alan zweig > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=collectlps&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 > >Check out this guy's auctions if you want to see the principle of high >minimum bids in action. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hodge" Subject: Re: (exotica) Hefti - How to murder your wife Date: 11 Mar 2001 18:28:30 -0000 Br Cleve to the rescue again! What a great list...really, really helpful. Although as you point out they're going to cost me a pretty penny! I actually have the mad, mad world of soundtracks LP. It's excellent. I've heard that Volume 2 is going to be out soon. Is this correct? -----Original Message----- >on 3/11/01 5:30 AM, Paul Hodge at paul.hodge@virgin.net wrote: > > >> Can you recommend any more 'now sound' OSTs? > >the greatest NS track of them all is Bedazzled, but it's extrodinarily hard >to find and almost always priced in the $150-400 range these days. > >off the top of my head, these have at least one NS or funky track - > >Prudence & The Pill >The Adventurers >Modesty Blaze >Guess Who's Coming To Dinner >The Moment of Truth >Marry Me, Marry Me >Seven Golden Men >Le Mans >I'll Never Forget Whatsisname >Otley >Up The Down Staircase >Barbarella >You Only Love Once >The Happening >In Like Flint >Our Man Flint >His Wife's Habit >On Any Sunday >Three Days of the Condor >The Harrad Experiment >Hannibal Brooks >Follow Me >Goodbye Columbus >Sweden Heaven & Hell >Brewster McCloud >Smashing Time >The Party >The Italian Job >An Elephant Called Slowly >La Planete Sauvage >Baby The Rain Must Fall >They Came To Rob Las Vegas >Murderer's Row > >there's more, but that's all I can think of now. Look for the 3 volumes of >"Groovy Soundtracks" bootlegs, get "The Mad Mad World of Soundtracks" disc >and book,and then fill your wallet up with lots of cash and start hunting >these baby's down > >br cleve > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "james brouwer" Subject: (exotica) robbing las vegas Date: 11 Mar 2001 19:38:26 -0000 hello, you mentioned this in your list to Paul: > >They Came To Rob Las Vegas do you have a copy of this one? would you be willing to CDR it for a trade? I've been searching a long time for it. have I asked you this before?? jeez, I hope not. i've been asking everyone for it. I feel like some soundtrack-junkied Ancient Mariner bothering wedding guests with his tale of woe... j _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "james brouwer" Subject: (exotica) Tomorrow's "Back-Ward" Playlist, March 11 Date: 11 Mar 2001 19:55:52 -0000 The Back-Ward can be heard Monday afternoons from 2:00 pm to 3:00 pm EST on CFRU 93.3fm in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Comments & questions welcome. The show is also available in RealAudio. Click on "Listen to us live via the net" at: http://www.uoguelph.ca/~cfru-fm/ tomorrow's show: THE MONKS - "Monk Time", from 'Black Monk Time' NIGEL SIMPKINS - "Times Encounter" LES MALEDICTUS SOUND - "Kriminal Theme" PETER THOMAS SOUND ORCHESTRA - "Der Hexer" MORT GARSON - "Leave the Driving to Us", from 'Wozard of IZ' LORNE GREENE - "Sand", from 'Welcome to the Ponderosa' LEE HAZELWOOD - "Pour Man", from 'Love and Other Crimes' MORGAN - "of Dreams" LALO SCHIFRIN - "Dissolving", from 'Whole Lalo Schifrin' Goin On' FRIENDSOUND - "Joyride", from 'Joyride' GAL COSTA - "Objeto Sim, Objeto Nao", from 'Gal' JOHN SIMON - "Freakout", from 'You Are What You Eat' OST MARSHALL McCLUHAN & QUENTIN FIORE - excerpt from 'Medium is the Massage' lp MAGAZINE - "The Light Pours Out of Me", from 'Real Life' THE SLEEPERS - "Theory", from 'Less an Object' "The Back-Ward" is a show featuring cool soundtracks from the 60's and 70's; exotica; lounge; now-sounds; incredibly-strange; tropicalia; forgotten country and western; obscure garage & psychedelia; funk/70's instro'; moog; early high-brow electronic; industrial and/or post-punk from the late 70's/early 80's. More recent material may creep in from time to time. thanks for reading and/or listening jb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Re: my day for ebay references Date: 11 Mar 2001 12:09:51 -0800 I watched Barbarella on TV last night and I thought maybe I would be willing to pay a little money for a copy of the record. So I come across this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1414875296 The description of the condition is what killed me. The guy wants minimally 45 bucks for the record but says the marks on the record don't affect the play "appreciably". Then he says "Great file copy". Har de har har. Sure. It plays okay. If you have two copies, this could be the copy you don't play. Just file it away. It'll cost you 56 dollars with shipping. AZ - And the irony about this is that someone who hasn't done their research will pay a lot of money for a poor copy of this instead of a few bucks for the reissue that's been floating around for a few years. But then again, I guess that's just kind of funny, someone profiting off of someone's ignorance... Am I bad? Okay. But what exactly is the purpose of a "file copy" of a record? Something you spend a lot of money on to just look at and wonder about? I don't get it. I get spending a dollar on a record in a thrift that you wonder about that isn't in great shape to see if it's something you want to look for in good shape, but I don't get spending $45 or more on something you can't even really play. Unlucky --- Mr. Unlucky presents Shoot To Kill, a weekly set of jazz, soundtrack music, Now Sound, and the occasional foray into international territory on Supersphere.com, Thursdays 1-2 p.m. (CST). Many past sets are archived for future listening pleasure. http://www.supersphere.com Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) Re: Milano, Italy Date: 11 Mar 2001 23:02:09 +0000 > From: Hemmel@gmx.net > Subject: (exotica) What is happening in Milano, Italy ? > > A friend of mine (Julia, a very nice person) will stay the next time in > Milano for a practical course. > Can someone recommend her interesting things like night live/clubs (she > likes brasil, organ grovves etc.) and modern art. ? > Isn't the home from SCHEMA Records Milano ? so where do they play there > fantastic records ? Well, I'm not really updated on what's goin' on up there, even though Bologna is just 2 hours away, but I would suggest to check the "Tunnel" club. Jap DJ Gak Sato used to play sets there. Milan is hometown of the Easy Tempo label (not of Schema, which is from Bari) and I am sure the label runs monthly nights in clubs. Pretty big city with much night action, so I believe your friend will easily find her cup of tea. Ciao Gionni # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues Date: 11 Mar 2001 07:51:58 -0600 WOW, as always, Alan, you are full of the best information. I knew I mispelled his name when I wrote it, but forgot to correct it. I'm not even a teenager and I think you're cool cuz you lived next door to him (actually, you're cool cuz you're YOU). Hopefully, I can find more of his stuff. Thanks for the info. Starstruck in Texas, Colleen Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Swingin' Shepherd Blues Date: 11 Mar 2001 07:56:40 -0600 Once again if anybody=92s got a functional 8 track and wants it let me know. ************************* Is there a functioning 8 track left in the world? Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: (exotica) Barbarella on Design and a couple more groovy soundtracks Date: 11 Mar 2001 19:32:13 -0800 I've never seen this one - I'll bet it's pretty good too: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1415695987 too bad "lp-cover-lover" is bidding on it, he usually is willing to pay whatever it takes to get what he wants. More groovy soundtrack suggestions: Try "Treasure of San Gennaro" by Armando Trovajoli - check the spelling on that, different than what's on Seven Golden Men http://www.basichip.com/covers/treasure.jpg thats Senta Berger on the cover Or I Love You Alice B Toklas - no individual tracks on that record, but they do stop and start.. Vic Mizzy's "Don't Make Waves" (Make Love) has some swinging Malibu go go sounds on it.. I recall a couple of really cool tracks on "No Way to Treat A Lady" by Stanley Myers...his "Kaleidoscope" is great too.. How about Giggling Girls from the "What A Way to Go!" Nelson Riddle score? I love soundtracks, even though sometimes you only get a small handful of decent tracks, maybe less. Great suggestions everyone, I've updated my wish list. :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obits] John Elliot Sutherland, Frankie Carle, Ted McMichael Date: 11 Mar 2001 22:45:54 -0500 LOS ANGELES (AP) - John Elliot Sutherland, an acclaimed industrial and educational filmmaker whose subjects ranged from cancer to steel-making, died Feb. 17. He was 90. Sutherland began making training films for the military during World War II. He went on to produce about 20 movies each year, including ``A Is for Atom'' for General Electric and ``The Spray's the Thing'' for DuPont. In 1957, Time magazine called him one of the top creators of industrial shorts. One of Sutherland's best-known works was his award-winning ``Rhapsody of Steel'' for U.S. Steel, a 1959 Technicolor epic with music by Dmitri Tiomkin and the Pittsburgh Symphony. NEW YORK (AP) - Frankie Carle, a big-band leader best known for ``Sunrise Serenade,'' died Wednesday. He was 97. Carle, who died in Mesa, Ariz., reached the high point of his popularity during World War II, when he was the focus of a bidding war among bands. His repertory was wide, ranging from classics like a revival of Stephen Foster's ``Swanee River,'' to a World War II release that anticipated the Allied victory called ``I'm Going to See My Baby.'' Although Carle's music did not rank high on record industry charts after the 1940s, he still toured and played concerts into the 1980s, some 70 years after he began his musical career. CAMARILLO, Calif. (AP) -- Ted McMichael, a founder of the popular 1940s quartet the Merry Macs, has died of pneumonia. He was 92. McMichael died at St. John's Pleasant Valley Hospital on Feb. 27, said his niece, Nelda McMichael Gruenthal. The Merry Macs had several Top 10 hits including ``Mairzy Doats,'' ``Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition'' and ``Sentimental Journey.'' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ashleywarren1@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) my day for ebay references Date: 11 Mar 2001 23:37:46 EST In a message dated 3/10/01 9:48:24 PM EST, cheryls@dsuper.net writes: << This one's been "reissued" - it shows up from time to time at Dusty Groove - it'll cost around $15 bucks with shipping, I think... And it's on red vinyl... cheryl >> If this is from the same source that the CD version is from it was bootlegged from a copy of the record with a lot of surface noise. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 12 Mar 2001 11:28:01 +0100 Brian schrieb: > > >records are for the most part no longer produced. > > That really doesn't bother me much, because interesting music > > is no longer produced for the most part either. > I agree with Moritz as for me this is simply untrue. More later. Brian... nobody is interested in this, even those who originally posted to this. ZERO reaction on almost anything interesting. I really feel like Jack Diamond now, like giving giving giving and never getting anything back. All I can say on this subject is, that there are loads of interesting new productions out there and the fact that someone just doesn't care and doesn't listen to the stuff, doesn't allow him to state, that there isn't anything at all or that music was better then. Close your ears, zip your Zombie and live in a dream world in the past. > I hit the best places in town > for vinyl and sifted through 5 - 6 thousand LPs. Instead of finding a > number of OK things (only 1 copy of Bimbo Jet, Moritz) I found nothing > whatsoever of interest. I hope you bought the Bimbo Jet! just before I left Montreal last year I found this one record shop (the one upstairs that also sold sex magazines) stuffed with tons of records and only because I already knew I wouldn't be able to carry home one single more record I didn't go into details there. They had incredible stuff though. Have you ever checked that shop out? Did it close down? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sem Sinatra Subject: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address Date: 12 Mar 2001 01:06:07 +0900 did the person who was searching for this find it? If not I can probably at least pass on their mail address to him. Has he left the list? Sem Sinatra, Agent Osaka # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sem Sinatra Subject: (exotica) Off topic Mac problems Date: 12 Mar 2001 01:18:49 +0900 Zapping the PRAM: To reset PRAM: 1. Restart your computer and immediately hold down these keys: Option + Apple + R + P (Make sure the Caps Lock key is not engaged.) 2. Hold the keys down until you hear the startup sound a second time, then release the keys. 3. If you had special settings in any control panels, open those control panels to restore the settings you want. rebuilding the desktop: start up computer holding Option + Apple down together Good luck! friendly, Sem Sinatra Agent Osaka # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "christie j. white" Subject: (exotica) Elvis impersonator Date: 12 Mar 2001 09:55:54 -0500 Just thought I would share this with you Magnus. Your review of the Eilert Pilarm concert was great!! I wish I was there smoking a cigarette and snaking through the crowd with all the laughs and woo's. This guy is truly amazing! He has so much talent. He is a true performer. He really doesn't have a cheezy side to the show at all. Just one song into the set and you see that this guy has talent of his own, the Elvis thing is purely a plus!! Lou Vuto is the new KING!! www.memoriestheatre.com Everyone enjoy! Kiliki # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Elvis impersonator Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:27:06 +0100 (CET) citerar "christie j. white" : > > Just thought I would share this with you Magnus. Your review of the Eilert > Pilarm concert was great!! I wish I was there smoking a cigarette and > snaking through the crowd with all the laughs and woo's. > > This guy is truly amazing! He has so much talent. He is a true performer. > He really doesn't have a cheezy side to the show at all. Just one song > into > the set and you see that this guy has talent of his own, the Elvis thing is > purely a plus!! Lou Vuto is the new KING!! > www.memoriestheatre.com > > Everyone enjoy! > > Kiliki I have added your link to my Eilert Pilarm page, thanks, I wish I could hear Lou Vuto. Thanks also for liking my review, it is so fun getting feedback when you sit writing on a thing for an hour. Actually, for me it is not that easy getting the english right. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nicola Battista (Dj Batman)" Subject: (exotica) Emusic free albums Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:48:04 +0100 thought this might be of interest... Emusic http://www.emusic.com/ is giving one free album downloadable, apprently you only need to give them an email and a password... bye, Nicola DjB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) Re: and a couple more groovy soundtracks Date: 12 Mar 2001 08:12:19 -0800 (PST) I really have enjoyed the Alice B Toklas soundtrack! Its great all the way to the end! Kaleidoscope also has some wonderful cuts on it. I highly recommend getting them both. They have been put out as a twofer on that German Label, Two Little Kooks and its available from http://www.jackdiamond.com Easy Listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- basic hip wrote:More groovy soundtrack suggestions: > > Or I Love You Alice B Toklas - no individual tracks on that > record, but they > do stop and start.. > > Vic Mizzy's "Don't Make Waves" (Make Love) has some swinging > Malibu go go > sounds on it.. > > I recall a couple of really cool tracks on "No Way to Treat A > Lady" by > Stanley Myers...his "Kaleidoscope" is great too.. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bonita Kelso Subject: Re: (exotica) Barbarella on Design Date: 12 Mar 2001 08:51:44 -0800 (PST) --- basic hip wrote: > > I've never seen this one - I'll bet it's pretty good > too: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1415695987 I have this one--strangely enough, I got it at the same annual used book/record/magazine sale where I got the original Barbarella ST two years earlier. How weird is that? It's (dare I say it?) loungey, heavy on the organ instrumental covers of a few tracks from Barbarella (the title theme, and "An Angel is Love" naturally, as well as tracks like "The Black Queen's Beads"). The rest of the album is the same jazzed up versions of classical standards recycled on those Design label spy albums like "Thunderball" and "Mission: Impossible" (which has a great cover of the "Star Trek" theme). It's a great little oddity, but not worth 8 bucks, IMO. Then again I don't think I'd pay more than two bucks for any album on the Design label. One of my favorite 60s soundtracks is "Don't Make Waves" by Vic Mizzy. It was reissued in the 80s, so it's not that hard to find. Like most of Mr. Mizzy's work, it's chock full of fuzztone guitars and farfisa (or is it farafisa?) organs. I could play "Daybreak at Malibu" a thousand times and never get tired of it. mucho gusto, Bonitarella __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Vaclav Nelhybel Date: 12 Mar 2001 19:04:30 +0100 (CET) Vaclav Nelhybel- "Outer Space Music". Folkways FTS 33440 1959 Does someone know anything about this record? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 12 Mar 2001 14:43:01 -0500 At 11:28 AM 3/12/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote: .> >Brian... nobody is interested in this, even those who originally posted to this. ZERO reaction on almost anything interesting. I really feel like Jack Diamond now, like giving giving giving and never getting anything back.. Moritz, you ROCK! You are the the REAL SHIT! You are the number one, TEN OUT OF TEN STARS, A-1 contributor! (That was my Jack Diamond imitation in case you didn't notice.) There's something strange about complaining about apathy on a generally apathetic list. It is what it is. The old days are gone and they ain't coming back. If you want to express yourself, go ahead. If you need your self-expression to generate discussion, you probably shouldn't bother. It's funny how a mailing list can make you feel like Jesus. But maybe that's just my complex. I've got the Christ complex, you've got the Diamond complex. The exotica list is not the list you remember or the list you joined. And it never will be again. The balance is delicate. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) The New Tipsy Date: 12 Mar 2001 12:00:43 -0800 (PST) "Uh-0h" by Tipsy, (Asphodel 2001) This is the best release of 2001! Tipsy have pulled out all the sample punches on this. I am stumped so far but recognize a few samples. Every song on it is chock full of fade-in/fade-out samples dazzling the eardrums to ecstasy. Trippy floaty music with nearly apparent melodies that you can't quite hum. The first song "Hard Petting" is the "big hit" with a "bullet" if all was perfect in the music biz. But every song on this album is a wonderful musical ride. Fans of the first album will be relieved to find out Tipsy have kept their sound. In fact, Tipsy has pulled of one of the nicer occurrences in music, their second album is better than their first. In thirty years they will be playing this at Tommorowland in Disney World. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "B.R. Rolya" Subject: Re: (exotica)Wine Glasses Date: 12 Mar 2001 15:01:54 -0500 Peter writes: >looking for music played on (water-filled) wine glasses. >Anyone have any urls, cd names, suggestions? An interesting recent release is Angus Maclaurin's "Glass Music" on Bubblecore (www.bubblecore.com). He records to tapes and then loops them together for a very hypnotic sound. I saw him live at the Knitting Factory a few months ago and it was quite mesmerizing. - BR # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Hall Subject: (exotica) RE: Barbarella, Kaleidoscope Date: 12 Mar 2001 15:18:13 -0500 I picked this up the Barbarella er... "reissue," awhile back & returned it (mentioned here); not so much a prob with the surface noise (clicks & pops are not so bad imho), but the whole recording had a brittle quality that made it hard to enjoy - possibly due to some crappy noise reduction process. I ended up finding a pricey-but-relatively-cheap (as far as I've seen) copy last year with a little wear on the cover but the vinyl was fine. Found the Kaleidoscope LP last year on vaca in Asheville NC. Wasn't familiar, but it had a swingin' 60's look & a sitar credit, which was all I needed; I remember taking it home & hoping "please do not let the sitar / table sections be traditional Indian music, but rather let them be the work of Indian musicians trying to make sense of western I-IV-V type progressions over groovy period go-go beats," & verily I was not disappointed. gh Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 23:37:46 EST From: Ashleywarren1@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) my day for ebay references If this is from the same source that the CD version is from it was bootlegged from a copy of the record with a lot of surface noise. Ashley Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: Chuck > Subject: (exotica) Re: and a couple more groovy soundtracks I really have enjoyed the Alice B Toklas soundtrack! Its great all the way to the end! Kaleidoscope also has some wonderful cuts on it. I highly recommend getting them both. They have been put out as a twofer on that German Label, Two Little Kooks and its available from http://www.jackdiamond.com Easy Listening in the Big Easy Chuck # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour Date: 12 Mar 2001 14:49:34 -0600 There's a little bit of everything in this week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast. You'll find Latin-flavored Now Sounds by Nelson Riddle, Edmundo Ros and Claus Ogerman, among others; jungle jazz from John McFarland's rare "Provocatif" and Augie Colon's "Chant of the Jungle"; great crime jazz from German movie thrillers; outer space pop from Paul Tanner, Jimmie Haskell and Louis Prima(!); plus Montefiori Cocktail's spaghetti western-ish spin on the "Star Wars" theme; Ralph Alfonso's ode to Chet Baker's cigarette; tunes by Les Baxter, Cal Tjader, Alvino Rey and Dick Schory; plus Leda Annest WAILS on the classic "Portrait of Leda". To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the web, just visit: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Requires RealPlayer and a minimum 28.8 Internet connection. As always, comments and requests are welcome. Thanks! Darrell Brogdon The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clayton black Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 13 Mar 2001 03:57:35 -0500 As one of the newbies to the list, I hope I'm not a part of "the problem," but it seems to me that a shift has taken place that has left the list fractured along several lines. I have the sense that there is a cadre of contributors who have been at this for a long time who are tired of the "favorite covers, albums, groups, etc." and "what I just found" discussions and who are more interested in digging out obscure groups and sounds wherever they lurk. Among them are those for whom the music is at the center of their lives--more than just a hobby, it's a profession (or at least part of one)--and the kings of space-age pop no longer hold the (forgive me) exotic thrill that they once did. Then there are the people like me, who "dabble," and who want to contribute, but who feel a bit out of their league. A lot of lurkers have come out of the woodwork momentarily lately, only to return to their hideaways, perhaps for the same reason that I always lurked. I don't know that there's a solution, but I hope that novices are always welcome. I don't have the resources to go after Korean pop or Japanese soundtracks, but I do enjoy hearing about them. I don't ever go to nightclubs or even Tiki/Polynesian restaurants, but your discussions allow me a bit of vicarious fun. The recent e-bay discussion generated a flurry of activity, perhaps because that's common ground for just about everybody here (albeit with a variety of opinions). I don't quite know what my point is, only to say that I hope that the "old-timers" can put up with the new folks and that, if there is to be any changing of the guard, that the list continues to be a friendly and entertaining group. And is it really apathy that causes lulls in the list or is it something else? For me it's either a question of time--how much can I put into a lengthy note like this--or of fear--do I really want to go out on a limb on an issue, knowing that I am out of my league in knowledge of exotica? I quit for now. Clayton > From: alan zweig > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:43:01 -0500 > To: Exotica mailing list > Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records > > There's something strange about complaining about apathy on a generally > apathetic list. It is what it is. The old days are gone and they ain't > coming back. > If you want to express yourself, go ahead. If you need your > self-expression to generate discussion, you probably shouldn't bother. > It's funny how a mailing list can make you feel like Jesus. > But maybe that's just my complex. > I've got the Christ complex, you've got the Diamond complex. > > The exotica list is not the list you remember or the list you joined. And > it never will be again. > > The balance is delicate. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: delicado@cheerful.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:11:13 -0500 (EST) I am here! Actually, I keep trying to post, but I think I was using the wrong email address, so hopefully this will work. I have been frantically buying stuff recently, more so than ever. Here's a summary: - Today the Lalo Schifrin 'marquis de sade' LP arrived... - Last week - 'Follow Me' soundtrack - really amazing stuff, a beautiful mix of now sound, softpop and ambient strings... - Last week - the Hildegard Knef box set - really enjoyable, although her output is so varied in style that I am planning to distil this down into a personal 'best of', which will include her fantastic slightly psychedelic bacharach-style stuff from the late 60s. - Last week - the vhs video of the movie 'smashing time', incredibly silly/slapstick, but very stylish movie starring Rita Tushingham - In general - I'm getting more and more into Brazilian stuff - it turns out that Marcos Valle is even more of a genius than the 'samba 68' reissue suggests, and that Jorge Ben was/is an incredible songwriter - with stuff like 'saiupa' and 'zazueira' as well as the better known 'chove chuva' and 'mas que nada'. Elis Regina's late 60s/early 70s records/the Blue brazil vols 2 and 3 compilations... - making lots of CD compilations, which I would love to trade with people if they are interested. Most recently I made a comp of vocal groups from around the world. - My favorite era of music seems to have shifted... When I joined this list in '96 I think the main period I was exploring was 1956-64, while now it has shifted to more like 1966-74... If anyone is still reading, I'm also currently working on a website about musical taste, which will feature recommendations for individual songs, each tied to one person who recommended it, but also interlinking. I will post when it is live (hopefully in the next couple of weeks). Sorry for such a long post; it has been a long time.. cheers, jonny Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) The New Tipsy Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:33:10 EST In a message dated 3/12/1 3:01:26 PM, chuckmk@yahoo.com wrote: >The first song "Hard Petting" is the "big hit" with a >"bullet" if all was perfect in the music biz. I've been spinning the advance of that one and one version of it samples "Sally Go Round The Roses" by The Jaynettes, a 1964 US Girl Group rekkid...The original record has the distinction of sounding like it was recorded in a bathroom, but is a hauntingly great song and an evergreen at this address # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:39:19 EST In a message dated 3/12/1 4:12:30 PM, delicado@cheerful.com wrote: >I'm getting more and more into Brazilian stuff - it turns out that Marcos Valle >is even more of a genius than the 'samba 68' reissue suggests Bossa Nova is a favorite sound of mine as well. I'm reading The Bossa Nova Story by Ruy Castro and I was also wondering if anyone has heard the new remixes of Roberto Menescal's music? I saw it listed at Dustygroove and thought I'd check here first to see if anyone picked it up. I have two early LP's by Menescal on Kapp and they are wonderful...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 12 Mar 2001 22:40:31 +0100 Clayton wrote: > As one of the newbies to the list, I hope I'm not a part of "the problem," > I always lurked. I don't know that there's a solution, but I hope that > novices are always welcome. Of course you're welcome! To me the list is still a great source of information and a good way to "meet" nice people (be it for trading, mailing or whatever). I joined the list about 3 years ago and I tasted a bit of the "old spirit" back then. Surely the list has changed, but is it really worse than it was 2 or 3 years back? Aw, c'mon guys... Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 12 Mar 2001 17:25:51 -0500 > As one of the newbies to the list, I hope I'm not a part of "the problem," I would think the last thing newbies are is a problem - it's always great to have fresh opinions on things. Yes, a lot of us have been on this list a long time (I think it's around 6 years for me) and yes, we sometimes give off the attitude of "been there, done that" - but don't be intimidated in the least. Opinions are always welcome around here - whatever they are - and if they spark off a discussion, better yet. And don't be afraid to ask questions - that's the best way of learning - this list is made up of an incredible cross-section of people, many of whom are extremely knowledgeable about all things exotica and otherwise - I don't think I have ever posted a question without getting many well-informed responses. cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address Date: 12 Mar 2001 18:01:51 -0500 At 04:11 PM 3/12/01 -0500, delicado@cheerful.com wrote: > >- Last week - 'Follow Me' soundtrack - really amazing stuff, a beautiful mix of now sound, softpop and ambient strings... What is this? Who did the soundtrack? When was the movie made? Who directed it? >- In general - I'm getting more and more into Brazilian stuff - it turns out that Marcos Valle is even more of a genius than the 'samba 68' reissue suggests, I bought this. It wasn't great. What have you heard that's better than this? What does he sound like? And what do you mean by "Brazilian stuff". I get the feeling that personally I prefer the fake Brazilian stuff to the real stuff. I don't know what the real stuff is but my favorite Brazilian records are easy listening things like: Ciro Pereira - From Brazil with Strings Aldemaro Romero and his Onda Nueva (sort of like the Hi-Lo's adding a Brazilian beat to old standards) "Soul Beat Brazil" - the new rhythms of Menescal and his group with strings. These three are all on major American labels. I just get this feeling that there's a bunch of obscure stuff on Brazilian labels and if I heard it, I'd think "Oh if that's the real stuff, I think I like the UN-real stuff better". >- My favorite era of music seems to have shifted... When I joined this list in '96 I think the main period I was exploring was 1956-64, while now it has shifted to more like 1966-74... That was an inevitable shift for me. I went back to the 56-64 stuff and caught up on it and by the time I "returned" to the 66-74 period, my taste had shifted to stuff I used to sneer at. The trouble with shifting to this period is that the records are generally more expensive when you find them. > >If anyone is still reading, I'm also currently working on a website about musical taste, which will feature recommendations for individual songs, each tied to one person who recommended it, but also interlinking. That sounds interesting. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 12 Mar 2001 18:10:57 -0500 At 03:57 AM 3/13/01 -0500, clayton black wrote: > >As one of the newbies to the list, I hope I'm not a part of "the problem," Newbies are not the problem unless you let the oldtimers intimidate you. In which case, you're not part of the problem but you're also not part of the solution. The purpose of new members is to ignore the fact that some of us have a "been there done that" attitude and to share - or ask for - opinions without worrying about the oldtimer's apathy. Your purpose is to drag us out of our caves and into the light. If we ignore you, so what? Try again. Until you've been ignored as often as Moritz and I, you have no right to give up. Actually I think Moritz is ignored a little more often than I am. But that's because some of us think that he and Magnus are two sides of the same person. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address Date: 13 Mar 2001 01:02:57 +0000 > did the person who was searching for this find it? > If not I can probably at least pass on their mail address to him. > Has he left the list? > Sem Sinatra, Agent Osaka Thanks, Sem. I was the one looking for Jonny. He's apparently lurking (ciao!) as he promptly did get back to me and now we're in touch again. Gionni # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: RE: (exotica) List health / Disappearing Records Date: 12 Mar 2001 19:07:09 -0500 >Of course you're welcome! To me the list is still a great source of >information and a good way to "meet" nice people (be it for trading, mailing >or whatever). I joined the list about 3 years ago and I tasted a bit of the >"old spirit" back then. Surely the list has changed, but is it really worse >than it was 2 or 3 years back? Aw, c'mon guys... Exoticalist is NOT dead (it just smells funny (sorry, couldn't resist)). I've been here since '97... people come, people go, some come back (and forth), sometimes it's busy, sometimes it's slow. It's different, sure, always changing, but it's also pretty much the same. It's true that in the mid to late 90s there was a slightly different sort of energy. The "canon" was still being discovered. "Lounge" was "in" and the big companies were on their brief reissue kick. Which made for a more unified "thing" to share in. Now the media eye has moved on, and we're returned to our roots of digging around more independently for the unknown gems. But we get to share and build on the discoveries here. With the occasional aesthetic theory to keep us thinking. Sort of changed from a go-go party to an explorers' club?? It's still a real good scene. Don't be afraid to join in, newbies or lurkers. And don't feel hurt if you're ignored. I've been ignored plenty, but that's okay. A lot of it's just chance. Sometimes I'd like to comment on someone else's post, and I fail to because I simply don't have the time at the time. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) war of the third man (tv) Date: 12 Mar 2001 19:07:21 -0500 Tuesday on AMC at 2:00pm and 10:30pm (eastern): "War Of The Worlds" -- with those superstylin' googie spaceships (and Noel Boggs creating the ray gun sound with his steel guitar). Wednesday night on AMC at 10:15pm and 4:15am, it's "The Third Man". Perhaps you've heard the theme song? m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross Orr Subject: (exotica) Is Vinyl Going Away? Date: 12 Mar 2001 20:56:23 -0500 Not that I've noticed so far. . . At the Kiwanis rummage sale where I've been volunteering, we have no trouble selling all the turntables I can manage to scrape together. We usually sell 2 every Saturday (the only day we're open). We're really limited more by our shortage of belts and non-destroyed cartridges. Folks even shoplift the cartridges right off the machines we have for sale. (People! It's a charity!) Just an observation, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "christie j. white" Subject: (exotica) Bravo Clayton re: Disappearing Records Date: 12 Mar 2001 22:27:44 -0500 I too have just rejoined the list after a couple of years hiatus. It does seem trivial sometimes to express about things that I find so wonderful that those on the list may have experienced a dozen times over but then again I hope everyone enjoys reliving the thrill of that favorite album cover or that great find. Kinda brings back memories for me when I hear these things come up. I can still remember where I found some of my prized possessions. I know everyone can relate to that feeling. So hopefully everyone can appreciate the old and the new on the list. I certainly do. Kiliki Clayton wrote: As one of the newbies to the list, I hope I'm not a part of "the problem," but it seems to me that a shift has taken place that has left the list fractured along several lines. I have the sense that there is a cadre of contributors who have been at this for a long time who are tired of the "favorite covers, albums, groups, etc." and "what I just found" discussions and who are more interested in digging out obscure groups and sounds wherever they lurk. Among them are those for whom the music is at the center of their lives--more than just a hobby, it's a profession (or at least part of one)--and the kings of space-age pop no longer hold the (forgive me) exotic thrill that they once did. Then there are the people like me, who "dabble," and who want to contribute, but who feel a bit out of their league. A lot of lurkers have come out of the woodwork momentarily lately, only to return to their hideaways, perhaps for the same reason that I always lurked. I don't know that there's a solution, but I hope that novices are always welcome. I don't have the resources to go after Korean pop or Japanese soundtracks, but I do enjoy hearing about them. I don't ever go to nightclubs or even Tiki/Polynesian restaurants, but your discussions allow me a bit of vicarious fun. The recent e-bay discussion generated a flurry of activity, perhaps because that's common ground for just about everybody here (albeit with a variety of opinions). I don't quite know what my point is, only to say that I hope that the "old-timers" can put up with the new folks and that, if there is to be any changing of the guard, that the list continues to be a friendly and entertaining group. And is it really apathy that causes lulls in the list or is it something else? For me it's either a question of time--how much can I put into a lengthy note like this--or of fear--do I really want to go out on a limb on an issue, knowing that I am out of my league in knowledge of exotica? I quit for now. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Jackson Subject: (exotica) Recent Finds... Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:24:26 +1100 Hi all, here's some vinyl I've picked up in the last couple of weeks - all from $1 - $2 Australian (halve that for US$!!). Op-shops (thrift stores) still come up trumps here once in a while. Any comments appreciated. "Bongo Fever" - Jack Costanzo at The Garden of Allah: Great live recording of Mr. Bongos. A couple of tracks from this appeared on UL sets I think. "Popcorn and other switched-on smash hits" - Electric Coconut "Chartbusting Moog" - Denny Morris "Dynamica" - Ray Martin "Spy Time" - David Lloyd and his London Orchestra: Big, big sound doing Bond tunes and others. I have a library music lp by him of "fake" Bond music which is good and this is more of the same but doing the original tunes. "Christmas Album" - The Ventures "Cotton Fields" - Arthur Lyman "Cugi's Cocktails" - Xavier Cugat and his Big, New, Swinging Band: Only had a brief listen to this. Each track named after a different cocktail. Some nice organ/guitar stuff mixed into the usual Cugi cha-cha's and rhumbas. "Walt Disney's Original Soundtrack Collection vol 4.": Grabbed this because it has "Cruella DeVille" from 101 Dalmations - a song which I remember vividly from my childhood viewing of the movie. "Dark Side of The Goon": Solo classics from Milligan, Sellers and Secombe. Most from 78's and pretty much what you'd expect (and enjoy!). The Secombe ones are all "serious". "My Son Pua" - John and Pua Almeida: I don't usually buy Hawaiian vinyl but the cover of this was so dark (portraits of the two on black) that originally thought it was a religious album. Haven't listened to it yet. "My Son, The Folksinger" - Alan Sherman "Das Gab's Auf Einmal": Strange German double lp which seems to be a history of the 1960's through music and SFX. Mostly narration but a weird selection of music - The Javelins, Ruth Welcome, Hugo Strasser, Mrs. Miller, Ornette Coleman, Maria Callas, Joe Loss, paul Jones, Helmut Zachariahs, Golden gate Quartet etc. etc. Fabulous foldout cover of a semi naked girl with "hip" words pdrawn on her "establishment - beat - happening - sex- pille - apollo - jet - pop - etc." And on CD (also from op-shops) "Mondo Cane OST" - Riz Ortolani "Ghetto Gothic" - Melvin van Peebles "Crank Calls" - Jonathon Winters: Winters messages left on his friends answering machine. Thanks for reading Philip -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clayton black Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds... Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:48:13 -0500 > "Dynamica" - Ray Martin I like this album, but I wonder about his other album in the Stereo Action series (I forget the name), the one that has "Jericho"--a great swinging tune with wonderfully irreverent "Hallelujahs" throughout. Are any of his albums consistently that good? > > "Cugi's Cocktails" - Xavier Cugat and his Big, New, Swinging Band: Only had > a brief listen to this. Each track named after a different cocktail. Some > nice organ/guitar stuff mixed into the usual Cugi cha-cha's and rhumbas. Cugi gets lots of mixed reviews, but this is one of those albums I rarely play just out of fear that I'll play it too much. It's great. > "My Son, The Folksinger" - Alan Sherman > I think I see this almost more than any album in the bins, except for the Herb Alpert repertoire. Which leads me to the reason for this note. Are there any albums that folks see time and time again that are actually very good, and certainly worth the fifty cents or dollar (assuming of course that we are trying to keep our "adventure" buys at a minimum)? The recent discussion of certain Fred Waring recordings (with appropriate caveats), or the Living Brass record that got mentioned as a top-fifty choice are what I'm thinking of. This may be a futile exercise in trying to get more out of the slim pickings that we've been lamenting of late, but just in case . . . Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clayton black Subject: (exotica) Blue Bossa Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:55:51 -0500 Has anybody heard the "Blue Bossa" CD on the Bluenote lable? It's a compilation, and I only remember that it had a Lou Rawls tune on it. I bought it for my brother for Christmas, just sort of guessing that it was good (I'm a sucker for anything to a bossa nova beat). I haven't talked to him in months, and the last time I did, I forgot to ask, and I'm also a bit afraid that I won't get a straight answer from him (fearing that he'll hurt my feelings. But he doesn't know too much about the genre anyway). Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larson/Thomas" Subject: RE: (exotica) Recent Finds... Date: 12 Mar 2001 20:34:24 -0800 > "Mondo Cane OST" - Riz Ortolani That may be my all time favorite soundtrack. I love the way it bounces around from lush to somber to bouncy, all beautifully done. Jerry Larson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 12 Mar 2001 21:15:25 -0800 Somebody asked me off list about the record swap meet in LA. In case anyone else is interested, it's at Pasadena City College on the first Sunday of the month. It's best to get there by 9am, so it isn't too hot and you have time to shop. The parking is in a structure in the back of PCC, and the records are in the North/East corner of campus in the faculty parking lot. If you see a big guy with a hairy chihuahua, stop me and say hello. (I'm the guy, not the dog...) Re: Turntables >Other than some DJ brands or very high end there is little being produced. See www.garage-a-records.com. They have a lot of choices in low cost turtables. They can repair and get parts for old ones too. >I look for vinyl solely in used record stores >and there is no shortage of the stuff, just a shortage of quality stuff. The reason for that is there is very little profit in dealing in vinyl as a retail storefront. That doesn't mean the records don't exist... It just means you are looking in the wrong place. Retail storefront record stores aren't buying used records. They're just selling off what they have left. That's why the selection is so stale. If you really want to find records, it isn't hard. Just imagine yourself as a person with a lot of good records to unload, and try to figure out the best way to get rid of them. Track it from the other end. Call places and say you have records for sale and see who bites. You can bet if they are buying, they have the good stuff. Look in the classifieds for garage sales that list records. Don't be afraid some dealer is going to scoop you if you don't get there at 6am. Chances are the dealer you are worried about is that guy at the record store who is phasing LP records out of his inventory. The good stuff is out there in quantities *higher* than ever before, with prices *lower* than ever before. As serious collectors shift from vinyl to CD, they get rid of their old collections. If you are there ready to catch the windfall, you'll score. You just have to work for it and not expect it to come to you. They made records from the turn of the century to the early 1980s. That is a LONG time, and a LOT of records. There are more records than people to collect them. It's a buyers market if you shop smart. A couple of months ago, I responded to an ad saying free 78s to a good home. I went to pick them up, and was given a 3/4 ton pickup truck full of pristine 78s from the 40s. Hit a deal like this, and you will have more music than you can handle. Deals like this really aren't rare, you just have to be in the right place at the right time. That means getting out there and looking. Old time record collectors know the drill. We went through it when vinyl replaced shellac, and it's the same now when plastic and mylar is replacing vinyl. The search is the fun of collecting. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 12 Mar 2001 21:15:23 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 21:34:13 +0100 (CET) >From: "Magnus Sandberg" >Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records > >citerar bigshot : > >> That really doesn't bother me much, because interesting music >> is no longer produced for the most part either. CD is fine for >> stuff recorded digitally. > >I agree with you, but it does not feel very good to do so... What has >happened with humanity? Somehow it feels that the devil in us is just >agressive and dark, and the other side is just following its trail. It's really not all that bad. We are just coming out of one of the most musically revolutionary centuries since the beginning of time. We now can record composers performing their own works and distribute copies at a price anyone can afford. If for nothing else, the past century will be remembered forever for the creation of Jazz. I can't think of an artistic development that rivals that. If you look at musical breakthroughs on a timeline, you won't feel so bad. It's a long stretch of time between Bach and Beethoven. Since Beethoven, things have been speeding up until the Beatles brought in the big bang that sent everything into a tailspin. At least we have recordings to remind us of what we were. These recordings will end up inspiring what we will end up being. The next century will be a time of neo-classicism. There will be revivals of past glories, and preservation of treasures from the past. What's old will be new again. That is my prediction! 100 years ago, only a few scholars remembered who Bach was. The original manuscript for the Brandenburg Concertos was sold for a quarter originally. Now people all over the world have CDs of the Brandenburg Concertos sitting on their shelves. Even teenage kids know who Bach is. It's not all as bad as it seems sometimes. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 13 Mar 2001 00:11:15 -0500 Moritz wrote: >Brian... nobody is interested in this, even those who originally posted to this. You mean me! > ZERO reaction on almost anything interesting. I really feel like Jack Diamond > now, like giving giving giving and never getting anything back. All I can say on > this subject is, that there are loads of interesting new productions out there and > the fact that someone just doesn't care and doesn't listen to the stuff, doesn't > allow him to state, that there isn't anything at all or that music was better then. > Close your ears, zip your Zombie and live in a dream world in the past. I was getting to enjoy these conversations I was having with myself. ...say Brian what did you think of those last vinyl finds? Well wish I knew more about them but I'll have to ask Brian... well.. anyway, I'm bearing depresssing news for record hounds... or maybe its just my new found bad-boy image that's scaring people (its your fault Alan!)... Either way I'm not depressed about the vinyl situation for a number of reasons beyond the huge variety of new material out there. And that includes: 1. The huge number of legit (or otherwise) reissues of obscure film, TV, library, advertising or other unknown originals/comps and generally things that I would have never hoped to find. I can't even hope to keep up to these as they are springing up exponentially! Not all great but overall a higher than average success rate, as you figure if someone went to the trouble to make the reissue, and its not a major label, there must be something to it... no? 2. The offerings on Napster of the kind of music you would never expect to find outside the country of origin. There are things by Japanese, Dutch, German, Finnish or other groups listed that could never be found in any store in my part of the world because there is simply no way for the stores to obtain them. Its an incredible place to listen, assuming of course the system isn't overloaded and actually allows downloads. Just this week I discovered something called "Surfbeat Behind the Iron Curtain". Looks like a 2 CD or LP set of East German surf music? Where else could I spot it... not in my local record store I can tell you! 3. People I've met through this and other lists with whom I can trade music (and films) exactly as I described in item 2 above! > I hope you bought the Bimbo Jet! But I already have three of them which is more than I have of any one record! Anyone out there interested? > just before I left Montreal last year I found this one record shop (the one > upstairs that also sold sex magazines) stuffed with tons of records and only > because I already knew I wouldn't be able to carry home one single more > record I didn't go into details there. They had incredible stuff though. Have you > ever checked that shop out? Did it close down? That store is still there. It's called M.A.R.S. and its about as hospitable! I've been in construction sites that are cleaner... OK, I'll go back up there one more time for your sake Moritz, but if I'm never heard from again someone please look for me in this dungeon of a second floor space on Ste. Catherine St. West. Until I resurface... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds... Date: 12 Mar 2001 21:36:19 -0800 > > "Dynamica" - Ray Martin > > I like this album, but I wonder about his other album in the Stereo Action > series (I forget the name), the one that has "Jericho"--a great swinging > tune with wonderfully irreverent "Hallelujahs" throughout. Are any of his > albums consistently that good? I like Ray Martin records alot. The one with Jericho on it is Excitement Inc. Then there is the "Sound Of Sight" that is musical movies - a western, outer space adventure, cartoon, etc. His two spy theme LP's, Goldfinger and Thunderball are terrific. There is also his Comic Strip Favorites with themes to popeye, tarzan and dick tracy. Oh, and Martin Goes Latin - with a couple of tracks sounding very much like Esquivel. see a coupla covers here: http://www.basichip.com/covers/martin.jpg http://www.basichip.com/covers/martin2.jpg # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) tester Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:19:14 -0000 Sorry, just experimenting Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) FW: Florida scores! Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:25:31 -0000 At last, I am subscribed and can finally post - lots of issues getting onto the list recently. > Lots of finds in FL including: > > Jazz for the Jet Set - Dave Pike (easy jazz) > Layers - Les McCann (top quality moody jazz with Clavinet and Arp) > Lots of Enoch Light and Command/Project3 LPs - about 10 including Brass > Menagerie that turned out to have a Bill Cosby record in it. Drat! > James Bond thing with Kenyon Hopkins and a couple of other jazz artists. > First Nuggets compilation > Prelude - Deodato (funkyish nice jazz LP) > Best of Tom Scott LP (funkyish nice jazz LP) > ubiquitous parakeet training record > Mike Curb Congregation easy LP (promised interest and delivered soft vocal > mush) > Some wacky Bossa LP with a cool cover Bossa Now! Joe Parnell? Darnell? > something like that > 1 or 2 Fifth Dimension LPs (tedious) > Movin & Groovin - The Three Suns (not sure if I understand this one - its > OK) Curtis Mayfield - Superfly OST > The Hillside Singers - I'd like to teach the world to sing (bland > Christian crap) - does anybody know more about this Metromedia label - is > it all god-bothering music? > Umbrellas of Cherbourg soundtrack but only the single LP > Bob James - Three (not bad jazz) > Some house and hip hop things. > > I brought back around 80 records total and spent around $100. A reasonable > haul but I passed up so many records through cost and weight issues. One > Sunday morning in Florida, I managed to get stuck in the middle of a > packed church hall flea market where a major fight broke out between > around 30 old biddies screaming over a standard lamp that one had bought > but another had picked up. > I feel whole again as a fully paid up subscriber to this bloody list. > Charlie > > Editor > C3 Magazine > 3 St Peter's Street > London > N1 8JD > > Tel: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 (direct) > +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 (switchboard) > Fax: +44 (0) 207 226 8586 > ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) organ and vibes again Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:39:54 -0000 Late I know, but I only spotted it last night. 'To catch a Thief' By Harry Stoneham on Solid Gold Hammond. The single LP of that name rather than the double comp, but it may be on there. Segues nicely into Hawaii 5-0. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:50:04 -0000 Picked this up at the weekend. After 6 weeks abstinence I was crazed. I needed something, just...got...to...score....some vinyl.... In the nick of time I managed to pick it up. I'd seen it on dusty groove and it had got me hungry. I must say its not a patch on volume 1. And I don't mean that just because vol 2 doesn't have any Ed Lincoln tracks on it. The range of styles isn't there, the organisation of the sides that makes vol 1 a pleasure to play doesn't seem to be there, the quality of manufacture is the pits. Horrible, noisy. Two sides open with batacuda's, one of which is (another) version of the Masters at Work 'Brazilian Beat' track. I can see the appeal, and I know Mr Bongo has to make his money from them, but OK. Its not bad. Doesn't have the same barmy appeal as Dionne Warwick's batacuda version of 'Caravan', but its not bad. That just about sums up the LP. Not bad. Nothing to match up with 'Lupita' from the first. Nothing crazed. No funk. Maybe I need to listen to it some more (I've not had that much chance). But I'd say, get Volume 1 over this one. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:57:35 -0000 "Nothing to match up with 'Lupita' from the first" Is that Lupita by Nico Gomez and his African Percussion? If so, that is a blinder! And the whole LP is superb. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Jonny "Delicado" Perl address Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:05:25 +0100 delicado@cheerful.com schrieb: > > > If anyone is still reading, I'm also currently working on a website about musical taste, which will feature recommendations for individual songs, each tied to one person who recommended it, but also interlinking. I will post when it is live (hopefully in the next couple of weeks). I think this is a good idea. music history eventually burns down to "the single song". my fave is still Some Velvet Morning, and I guess I could write a book about it. You can find the entire cosmos in one song. BTW: I just checked thorugh the "Groovin With Nancy" DVD and in the spoken comment Nancy says, that the mysterious fog you see in the background when Lee comes riding along with his horse, was in fact the smoke of a garbage burning factory. Now, next day, when I watched it again, I thought, man, how great! They should have shown a glimpse of that factory. It adds a new dimension to the video and the song. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:05:16 +0100 Thanks, Alan and Mike. I guess I needed that. Sometimes I don't react myself, simply because someone else has already put it so brillantly. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:01:13 +0100 bigshot schrieb: > 100 years ago, only a few scholars remembered who Bach was. The > original manuscript for the Brandenburg Concertos was sold for > a quarter originally. Now people all over the world have CDs of > the Brandenburg Concertos sitting on their shelves. Even teenage > kids know who Bach is. It's not all as bad as it seems sometimes. that's true. Bach was all forgotten. But if you state that only the fact that he was rediscovered sheds a brighter light on our otherwise so dark age of music I still disagree. That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when? I only know that Jaques Lousier made him pretty popular again in the jazz scene of the 50s and beyond. For myself it owes to Walter (now Wendy) Carlos, who gave Bach a new kick. Both musicians changed Bach significantly to update him though. Funny you mention Bach. Only last night I was in a classical concert, the first one in years, and talked to some officials of Universal about their ideas on the subject of repopularizing classical music. I stated - and still state - that since Walter Carlos nothing interesting had happened. (Deodato, Rondo Veneziano et al are rather uninteresting) Carlos advantage was, that he didn't need the classical orchestra, which is hard to afford these days, especially when you compare it to a computer programmer. (Although I must say, that it was a special experience to see all these musicians play in harmony and feel the sound surge through their ranks... yet it seemed kind of outdated - to me - sitting still for an hour et al) As for predictions: To me the future of classicism lies in clever emotion-interactive three dimensional ambient multi-media sound installations. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:04:02 +0100 Brian schrieb: > Moritz wrote: > > >Brian... nobody is interested in this, even those who originally posted to this. > You mean me! not at all. I meant "them" > > I hope you bought the Bimbo Jet! > But I already have three of them which is more than I have of any one > record! Anyone out there interested? Bimbo Jets are the precious shells to trade records from other people. >> >> That store is still there. It's called M.A.R.S. and its about as hospitable! >> I've been in construction sites that are cleaner... OK, I'll go back up >> there one more time for your sake Moritz, but if I'm never heard from again >> someone please look for me in this dungeon of a second floor space on Ste. >> Catherine St. West. > :-) Don't be afraid. It's a gold mine. The look of that shop was only designed to frighten away people like you. Don't let them fool you! If you'd survived Harry's Hafenbazar, and scratched old cat shit from even older Papua totems like I did, you'd yawn into the face of fear for the rest of your life! Go (St.) West! Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) Blue Bossa Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:15:31 +0000 clayton black wrote: > > Has anybody heard the "Blue Bossa" CD on the Bluenote lable? It's a > compilation, and I only remember that it had a Lou Rawls tune on it. I > bought it for my brother for Christmas, just sort of guessing that it was > good (I'm a sucker for anything to a bossa nova beat). I haven't talked to > him in months, and the last time I did, I forgot to ask, and I'm also a bit > afraid that I won't get a straight answer from him (fearing that he'll hurt > my feelings. But he doesn't know too much about the genre anyway). > Clayton The 'Blue' series of lps and cds are produced by the UK branch of Blue Note, and have been going since about 1990. Blue Bossa is from about 92 i think, and has some killer jazz cuts, like Horace Parlan - Congalegre, Kenny Dorham - Afrodisia - no Lou Rawls though... There is also a volume two (maybe this has the lou rawls?) Some of the best of the 'Blue' series IMO are, off the top of my head: Blue Juice 1-3 Blue Break Beats 2 Blue Bossa Blue Bacharach Blue Brazil 3 Afro Blue 1,2 Blue'n'Groovy 2 but there's loads more... Blue Juice 1 is ordered very well - makes a very good mix tape style listen. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:27:32 +0000 G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote: > > Picked this up at the weekend. After 6 weeks abstinence I was crazed. I > needed something, just...got...to...score....some vinyl.... > In the nick of time I managed to pick it up. I'd seen it on dusty groove > and it had got me hungry. I must say its not a patch on volume 1. And I > don't mean that just because vol 2 doesn't have any Ed Lincoln tracks on it. > The range of styles isn't there, the organisation of the sides that makes > vol 1 a pleasure to play doesn't seem to be there, the quality of > manufacture is the pits. Horrible, noisy. > Two sides open with batacuda's, one of which is (another) version of the > Masters at Work 'Brazilian Beat' track. I can see the appeal, and I know Mr > Bongo has to make his money from them, but OK. Its not bad. Doesn't have > the same barmy appeal as Dionne Warwick's batacuda version of 'Caravan', > but its not bad. That just about sums up the LP. > > Not bad. Nothing to match up with 'Lupita' from the first. Nothing crazed. > No funk. Maybe I need to listen to it some more (I've not had that much > chance). But I'd say, get Volume 1 over this one. I liked the Latin Beats comp (also from Mr Bongo) which is much more consistent, (and heavy). Tito Puente doing '2001', the Benny More tune from the Guinness advert (with the snail racing), a fantastic Sabu track... Also I can definitely recommend the whole of the Nico Gomez album, not just 'Lupita'. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Bigelow Subject: (exotica) Cugie's Cocktails Date: 13 Mar 2001 06:55:07 -0600 Can't resist putting in my two bits about this terrific LP. I have a sneaking suspicion that this and at least one David Carroll LP ("Music Makes Me Want to Dance") had more than a little help from Quincy Jones. Several of the Cugat number sure sound like out-takes from Quincy's great "Big Band Bossa Nova" album (the source of the Austin Powers theme, "Soul Bossa Nova"). Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:26:17 +0100 (CET) Computers makes things easy. I learned to draw by myself, after ten years it was evident I had some talent. After ten more years I thought that I sometimes succeeded. Now after 31 years I occasionally can make something after very hard work that I consider is good enough for publishing. After 50 years maybe I am good at it. On the other hand I could make pictures in photoshop. I could steal pictures someone else have done and alter them, I would save time and energy that way. I could even make money doing it. A lot of money. But my personal skill wouldnt show. It wouldnt be beautiful if I enhanced it 1000 times, which a good drawing would be. I have yet to see a computer made image that I like, or computer art for that matter. It just doesnt speak to me. To me music is like a painting or a drawing, I dont know how it is done but I am sure that it takes a lot of practice to learn. It is fun to work in computers, I really like it. Internet is great, you can publish things yourself and people can find your pages. It is still very democratic. But if I want to see a picture I prefer a print, a painting, a drawing and not a compressed copy. Same with music, I dont care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums. To me, the monotoneous rythmic beat from a machine is DEATH! I like it when musicians play themselves. Call me oldfashioned, I dont care, I am old enough to decide what I like, and beyond that age when I must experience everything new and exciting. If you send me a tape or a cd with new sounds I promise I will listen to it, but dont expect me to it more than once. My ears say yes to "Don Tiki" and "Bo Axelsson and his exotic sounds" and no to 99.99%. Anyone have a problem with my attitude? If so, try to see it from my side, do you think it is fun to feel this way? I am sorry but your paradise may be my hell. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:27:09 +0100 (CET) Computers makes things easy. I learned to draw by myself, after ten years it was evident I had some talent. After ten more years I thought that I sometimes succeeded. Now after 31 years I occasionally can make something after very hard work that I consider is good enough for publishing. After 50 years maybe I am good at it. On the other hand I could make pictures in photoshop. I could steal pictures someone else have done and alter them, I would save time and energy that way. I could even make money doing it. A lot of money. But my personal skill wouldnt show. It wouldnt be beautiful if I enhanced it 1000 times, which a good drawing would be. I have yet to see a computer made image that I like, or computer art for that matter. It just doesnt speak to me. To me music is like a painting or a drawing, I dont know how it is done but I am sure that it takes a lot of practice to learn. It is fun to work in computers, I really like it. Internet is great, you can publish things yourself and people can find your pages. It is still very democratic. But if I want to see a picture I prefer a print, a painting, a drawing and not a compressed copy. Same with music, I dont care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums. To me, the monotoneous rythmic beat from a machine is DEATH! I like it when musicians play themselves. Call me oldfashioned, I dont care, I am old enough to decide what I like, and beyond that age when I must experience everything new and exciting. If you send me a tape or a cd with new sounds I promise I will listen to it, but dont expect me to it more than once. My ears say yes to "Don Tiki" and "Bo Axelsson and his exotic sounds" and no to 99.99%. Anyone have a problem with my attitude? If so, try to see it from my side, do you think it is fun to feel this way? I am sorry but your paradise may be my hell. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds... Date: 13 Mar 2001 05:43:33 -0800 (PST) The Melvin Peebles stuff I have is all pretty damn good (Only Sweet Sweetback's Revenge comes to mind... the opening track, if I recall correctly has the sounds of Mr Sweetback making sweet love to his special lady while a gospel song is going on. A bit of in-church scroggery before the funk proceeds). Lyman's Cotton Fields is good, but not excessively distinct from many of his other recordings. And, I love The Ventures Xmas lp... the little revved up first chords of a surf song segue into a Christmas classic (if you come up with any Atlantics lps on your safaris, let me know if you're up for a swap ;). Speaking of surf: I recently foulnd an lp by a band called Calvin Cool and The Surf Knobs. Very thrown together stuff, not really interesting - but many of the songs are credited to M. Rogers. Published rumor has it that this is Milton "Shorty" Rogers. I know that Shorty Rogers got around, but can anyone confirm? --- Philip Jackson wrote: > > Hi all, > > here's some vinyl I've picked up in the last couple > of weeks - all from $1 - > $2 Australian (halve that for US$!!). Op-shops > (thrift stores) still come up > trumps here once in a while. Any comments > appreciated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "christie j. white" Subject: (exotica) Polynesia 1 & 2 Date: 13 Mar 2001 08:57:44 -0500 Does anyone have the records Polynesia and Polynesia 2? My boyfriend has Polynesia which seems to be an EP but I just scored Polynesia 2 and to my discovery it has some of the same songs as Polynesia. I wanted to know if they are the same cuts or maybe this is a full length lp? What a cover!! Great album to listen to on Sunday mornings while drinking a Mimosa! Kiliki # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: (exotica) Gadfly: "Culture that Matters" Date: 13 Mar 2001 05:58:19 -0800 (PST) A friend of mine recently sent me a copy of this magazine. Last month's issue had articles on the life and art of Boris Vian and Harry Partch as well as articles on underground film classics, original fiction, etc. My only complaint is that the articles are not as in-depth as they could be. Worth the glance, though: http://www.gadfly.org/2001-01/welcome.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross Orr Subject: (exotica) Re: Recent Finds... Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:00:42 -0500 Clayton asked: >Are >there any albums that folks see time and time again that are actually very >good, and certainly worth the fifty cents or dollar Two that I passed over about 30 times each, but then ended up really liking: ** Herb Alpert's _Going Places_ <--Overwhelming flashback to "the Dating Game"! ** Burt Bacharach _Reach Out_ <--esp. the unknown classic "Are You There" And maybe this is just a Midwest thing. . . but copies of Enoch Light's _I Want to be Happy Cha Chas_ still seem relatively common. That one is still in my personal top 20. . . cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Test Test...... Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:31:45 -0500 No messages for 3days??? I'm off the list - egad!!! - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) FW: Florida scores! Fucking list! What is going on with the posts Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:45:27 -0000 Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Moseley > Sent: 13 March 2001 10:19 > To: 'exotica@xmission.com' > Subject: FW: Florida scores! > > At last, I am subscribed and can finally post - lots of issues getting > onto the list recently. > > Lots of finds in FL including: > > Jazz for the Jet Set - Dave Pike (easy jazz) > Layers - Les McCann (top quality moody jazz with Clavinet and Arp) > Lots of Enoch Light and Command/Project3 LPs - about 10 including Brass > Menagerie that turned out to have a Bill Cosby record in it. Drat! > James Bond thing with Kenyon Hopkins and a couple of other jazz artists. > First Nuggets compilation > Prelude - Deodato (funkyish nice jazz LP) > Best of Tom Scott LP (funkyish nice jazz LP) > ubiquitous parakeet training record > Mike Curb Congregation easy LP (promised interest and delivered soft vocal > mush) > Some wacky Bossa LP with a cool cover Bossa Now! Joe Parnell? Darnell? > something like that > 1 or 2 Fifth Dimension LPs (tedious) > Movin & Groovin - The Three Suns (not sure if I understand this one - its > OK) > Curtis Mayfield - Superfly OST > The Hillside Singers - I'd like to teach the world to sing (bland > Christian crap) - does anybody know more about this Metromedia label - is > it all god-bothering music? > Umbrellas of Cherbourg soundtrack but only the single LP > Bob James - Three (not bad jazz) > Some house and hip hop things. > > I brought back around 80 records total and spent around $100. A reasonable > haul but I passed up so many records through cost and weight issues. One > Sunday morning in Florida, I managed to get stuck in the middle of a > packed church hall flea market where a major fight broke out between > around 30 old biddies screaming over a standard lamp that one had bought > but another had picked up. > > I feel whole again as a fully paid up subscriber to this bloody list. > > > Charlie > > Editor > C3 Magazine > 3 St Peter's Street > London > N1 8JD > > Tel: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 (direct) > +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 (switchboard) > Fax: +44 (0) 207 226 8586 > ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 > > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) Ooops, sorry to swear. Everything looks good now. Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:53:46 -0000 Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) Fwd: FW: Cosmic covers Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:00:30 -0600 ---- Begin Included Message ---- Sent: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:41:28 -0000 Hi Colleen, My second Exotica message follows. Please forward it to the list. Thanks, Rock -----Original Message----- From:=09Wilson,R,Rock,NXA32 WILSON46 R Sent:=0906 March 2001 12:17 Hello again, I meant to mention - there's a cover version of 'Aries' from Cosmic Sounds by The Nice (Keith Emerson's band before ELP) on a recent CD 'America - the BBC sessions' (but be careful - there's more than one Nice compilation with 'America' in the title). All for now, Rock =A0 ---- End Included Message ---- Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Fwd: FW: (exotica) Cosmic Sounds Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:01:38 -0600 ---- Begin Included Message ---- Sent: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:39:41 -0000 Hello Colleen, I posted the following message to the Exotica list in answer to your query regarding The Zodiac - Cosmic Sounds. Unfortunately it disappeared into the void, so I'm now reposting it to you personally. Could you please do me a favour by forwarding it to the list, for the benefit of anyone else who might be interested. Actually, I just remembered, there are two messages - I'll post the second to you as well, as it's on the same subject - could you please forward both of them, while I ponder what went wrong. I know several people on the list have had trouble posting recently, so maybe I've just been caught up in some tech problem. (I posted to exotica@lists.xmission.com as instructed). Anyway, many thanks and I hope this information is of some use to you. Take care, Rock -----Original Message----- From:=09Wilson,R,Rock,NXA32 WILSON46 R Sent:=0906 March 2001 11:58 Greetings all, My name is Rock, from London, England, and this is my first post. I've been reading the list for a few weeks and I'm really impressed by the inclusiveness and enthusiasm for the subject that's been displayed. I wasn't too keen on the way Lawrence got ripped to shreds after his first post, but that seems to have calmed down now. I was going to introduce myself properly, and talk of my interest in Exotica, in my first =A0post but this is now just a quickie to respond to Colleen regarding The Zodiac - Cosmic Sounds. I'm very familiar with this album, having had a (now very beaten up) copy since it's original release. I've been hoping for a CD rerelease, but no luck so far. Anyway, if you go to Netsounds (www.netsounds.com/) , which describes itself as 'The UK's No 1 Music Market Place', and run a search for 'Cosmic Sounds', you should find (today, Tues 6) 3 copies being offered: a New copy of the (bootleg) repress at 13.20; a Mint copy of the original (in mono) for 24.20; and a Very Good copy of the original (in stereo) for 8.00. All prices in UK Pounds, but there's an onscreen currency converter should anyone need it. I think Netsounds is just a dealers' forum, but it's all set-price, no haggling or bidding. Just out of interest, I ran a search on Martin Denny and came up with 137 items - quite a few at 10 Pounds or less, but also many at 30 Pounds (50 Dollars?). =A0 =A0 I'll post again soon, with a proper introduction. If there are any other Residents fans here, please say 'Hello' so I know who you are (Hi, Brian!). More soon, Rock ---- End Included Message ---- Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robbie Baldock" Subject: (exotica) New Chris Dedrick Interview Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:34:54 -0000 Just to let you know that an interview I recently did with Free Design founder Chris Dedrick about the new album "Cosmic Peekaboo" has just gone up on the Marina website: http://www.marina.com/fdinterview.htm It'll be on my Free Design site too within the next few days. Robbie The Free Design - NOW is the time! http://www.enochlight.com/freedesign/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) p5 Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:35:22 +0800 hi all, for those that dig p5. it is official. they will split at the end of this month. there have been rumours flying around for some time. especially since their new greatest hits disc has the words RIP in the title. when the latest album came out some of us wondered "is this a new direction? or a one off? why isn't maki on this album more?". but now i guess we'll never know what would of been the next step after this. as they will be splitting. at least there will probably be other projects(maki released a solo album last year) and konishi doing whatever he is doing...so far it is unclear as to why or what their plans are next... anyway, i thought some of you out there would want to know about this. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 07:40:58 -0800 (PST) One of the trends in classical music and especially Bach was to bring the music back to its period instruments and the style it was originally meant to be played in. Philippe Herreweghe and the Harmonia Mundi label from France haunted me when I first heard Bach played that way. I was familiar with Bach ala Bernstein and especially Wendy Carlos. Just loved Walter Carlos interpretation, caught my attention big time. But Philippe Herreweghe was just too beautiful an interpretation of Bach for me to resist. No more tick tock clock notes, not too many notes too fast filling up every second, but a beautiful peaceful flowing music is the way Bach may have originally sounded, at least in Herreweghe's interpretation. Mo I also attended a symphony the other night. Beautiful but it was a little old fashion and tedious sitting sitting still that long. I found it much easier to go park out at the lake front last night, with a delicious bottle of French wine, French bread and Italian cheese and listen to the new Tipsy, P-5, Thievery Corporation and Chicklett with my girlfriend. I guess parking at a lake front and watching the waves crash is old fashioned but at least Tipsy, P 5 and Thievery Corp aren't. As for Chicklet they sounded like a great 1966 band with sweet girl vocals on top. I think we are in some of the best times for modern music releases/interpretations (such as Senor Coconut). The music scene today is as diverse as ever. Great modern Bossa Nova, Power Pop, Pop, modern sunshine Pop, modern soft pop, Ambient, Electronica, breakbeat, Tiki(Don Tiki), surf. And even more amazing in this modern world is Brian Wilson rose from the dead, toured and did the whole Pet Sounds album live with a symphony orchestra. For those who aren't familiar with the modern pop scene I highly recommend Caroline Now on the Marina label available at DustyGroove as a great introduction. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Moritz R wrote: For myself it owes to Walter (now Wendy) Carlos, who gave Bach a new kick. Both musicians changed Bach significantly to update him though. Funny you mention Bach. Only last night I was in a classical __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: delicado@cheerful.com Subject: (exotica) Re: follow me, brazilian stuff Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:42:33 -0500 (EST) >>- Last week - 'Follow Me' soundtrack - really amazing stuff, a beautiful mix of now sound, softpop and ambient strings... >What is this? Who did the soundtrack? When was the movie made? Who >directed it? It's a 1969 movie about surfers; the soundtrack is by Stu Phillips, and also features Dino, Desi and Billy singing on some (excellent) tracks. One theme from the movie - 'thru spray colored glasses' - appears on the recently discusses 'mad mad world of soundtracks' cd. There is a different 'Follow me' from 1972 starring Mia Farrow, with a soundtrack by John Barry; I'm not sure who directed this one. I always feel ignorant when people ask me about films. I can usually picture the cover of the soundtrack album, but only sometimes can I actually describe the film. >>it turns out that Marcos Valle is even more of a genius than the 'samba 68' reissue suggests, >I bought this. It wasn't great. What have you heard that's better than >this? What does he sound like? I'm quite fond of 'samba '68' - particularly the warm string arrangements by Eumir Deodato. But I would understand if some people found the whole thing a bit feeble. Samba 68 was an American recording on the Verve label, and all the Marcos Valle originals sung on it are sung in English, with the often derided lyrics by Norman Gimbel and Ray Gilbert. > I just get this feeling that there's a bunch of obscure stuff on Brazilian labels and if I heard it, I'd >think "Oh if that's the real stuff, I think I like the UN-real stuff better". Until the late 1970s, almost all Marcos Valle's work was recorded and released exclusively in Brazil. When he wasn't trying to please the American market, he had to a very different sound, but it definitely wasn't 'authentic'. In fact, I think it might appeal to you. It's very hard to describe, but I'll try. His work varies dramatically, ranging from some great slower numbers - percussive, with rich strings and amazing chord changes (e.g. 'Tiao Braco Forte' from 1967) through to bizarre but beautiful hybrids of soul and bossa nova, with scat vocals and a lot of harmonizing. This doesn't really tell half the story, but if it interests you at all, I highly recommend the CD 'the essential marcos valle volume 2', which you can usually get at dustygroove. Vol 1 is also excellent, but a little less rich and more funky. Which may be what you're looking for, of course.... Thanks for your recommendations, Alan. I'm not really big on 'authenticity' either, but I think in the case of Brazilian Music (from the bossa nova era onwards, anyway), any distinction like that is pretty blurred from the beginning - it was a hybrid of styles from the start. Also, quite a few Brazilian 'greats' recorded some of their best albums in the US, with American session players (e.g. Antonio Carlos Jobim's 'Wave'). Some of my favorite 'brazilian' tracks include Claudine Longet singing 'meditation' and Percy Faith doing 'How insensitive'. >>If anyone is still reading, I'm also currently working on a website about >>musical taste, which will feature recommendations for individual songs, >>each tied to one person who recommended it, but also interlinking. >That sounds interesting. I hope it will be; let me know if you would like a sneak preview. btw I saw your film when it played in new york, Alan. Fascinating stuff, and it has definitely stayed in my mind. cheers, jonny Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: RE: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:59:25 -0000 Indeed it is. Its a wild track. I've got a feeling its written by someone like Prez Prado, which would make sense. I wonder what the original is like. Would that be a Nico Gomez LP? Whats the rest like? (apart from superb). El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare "Nothing to match up with 'Lupita' from the first" Is that Lupita by Nico Gomez and his African Percussion? If so, that is a blinder! And the whole LP is superb. Charles Moseley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:49:13 -0500 >That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when? Felix Mendelssohn, his sister Fanny, and their friends used to get together and go over music that they called “the lost art”. They put together a concert of most of the St. Matthew Passion and the re-discovery of Bach was on its way. Took about 50 years to get all the music printed. In a way you could say that Bach was the original “exotica find”. A talented local artist that was almost forgotten except by family and friends until someone started promoting it. I’m crazy about the Swingle Singers. A French vocal group, with an American leader, that’s transcribed Bach’s music for vocals and a bass to keep the beat. Mostly the keyboard works. They also did some other baroque composers, an LP of Mozart and they once got together with the Modern Jazz Quartet for some originals. www.cddb.com lists 30 CDs by the Swingle Singers. Mostly comps. There is also a compilation CD with the Swingle Singers and Jaques Lousier, Eric correct me, but it might be called “Bach for the Bachelor Pad”? And there is even a track of them playing together. I’m nuts about Baroque interpretations. Carlos et all. And try to put them in the martini mix. Anybody have any favorites? Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/misc/wjul/wjul.html (On Real Audio) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obits] Michael Smith, Morton Downey Jr. Date: 13 Mar 2001 11:49:22 -0500 Michael Smith PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- Michael Smith, the drummer for the 1960s rock band Paul Revere and the Raiders, died March 6 in Kona, Hawaii, of natural causes. He was 58. Smith, who played the part of the madcap jokester on stage, joined the band in 1962. The Raiders were known for their tri-cornered hats, colonial costumes and wild stage act. The Raiders were signed by CBS' Columbia Records in 1963, and in 1965 they were hired to host ``Where the Action Is,'' a daily afternoon television show on ABC produced by Dick Clark Productions. The Raiders' hit singles included ``Just Like Me,'' ``Kicks,'' ``Good Thing'' and ``Indian Reservation.'' --- Morton Downey Jr. LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Morton Downey Jr., the chain-smoking, often-combative talk-show host who reigned over ``Trash TV'' in the 1980s, died Monday of lung cancer and other respiratory problems. He was 67. A chain smoker for years until losing a lung to cancer, Downey was known for deliberately blowing smoke into the faces of guests who annoyed him when he was host of one of the most popular talk shows on television in the 1980s. After his cancer surgery in 1996, he became an anti-smoking crusader. Downey, who was the son of popular singer Morton Downey and his dancer-wife, Barbara Bennett, pursued a number of professions including businessman, author, radio host, singer and songwriter, composing such hit surf-rock songs as ``Pipeline'' and ``Wipeout'' in the 1960s. (Is this true??? Somehow, I'm doubting it! - Lou) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 08:53:11 -0800 (PST) One of the trends in classical music and especially Bach was to bring the music back to its period instruments and the style it was originally meant to be played in. Philippe Herreweghe and the Harmonia Mundi label from France haunted me when I first heard Bach played that way. I was familiar with Bach ala Bernstein and especially Wendy Carlos. Just loved Walter Carlos interpretation, caught my attention big time. But Philippe Herreweghe was just too beautiful an interpretation of Bach for me to resist. No more tick tock clock notes, not too many notes too fast filling up every second, but a beautiful peaceful flowing music is the way Bach may have originally sounded, at least in Herreweghe's interpretation. Mo I also attended a symphony the other night. Beautiful but it was a little old fashion and tedious sitting sitting still that long. I found it much easier to go park out at the lake front last night, with a delicious bottle of French wine, French bread and Italian cheese and listen to the new Tipsy, P-5, Thievery Corporation and Chicklett with my girlfriend. I guess parking at a lake front and watching the waves crash is old fashioned but at least Tipsy, P 5 and Thievery Corp aren't. As for Chicklet they sounded like a 1966 band with sweet girl vocals on top. I think we are in some of the best times for modern music releases/interpretations (such as Senor Coconut). The music scene today is as diverse as ever. Great modern Bossa Nova, Power Pop, Pop, modern sunshine Pop, modern soft pop, Ambient, Electronica, breakbeat, Tiki(Don Tiki), surf. And even more amazing in this modern world is Brian Wilson rose from the dead, toured and did the whole Pet Sounds album live with a symphony orchestra. For those who aren't familiar with the modern pop scene I highly recommend Caroline Now on the Marina label available at DustyGroove as a great introduction. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Moritz R wrote: > That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and > when? I only know that Jaques Lousier made him pretty popular > again in the jazz scene of the 50s and beyond. For myself it owes > to Walter (now Wendy) Carlos, who gave Bach a new kick. Both > musicians changed Bach significantly to update him though. > Funny you mention Bach. Only last night I was in a classical __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II Date: 13 Mar 2001 16:54:36 +0000 G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote: > > Indeed it is. Its a wild track. I've got a feeling its written by someone > like Prez Prado, which would make sense. I wonder what the original is > like. Would that be a Nico Gomez LP? Whats the rest like? (apart from > superb). It is a Prez Prado track. The Nico Gomez Lp has three or four other super-heavy tracks, a couple of bossa-ish ones, and El Condor Pasa with a hip-hop-ish break under it. Nico Gomez and his Afro Percussion Inc - Ritual is the full title thanks to Mr Moseley for the original recommendation... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Taub Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:04:52 -0500 Pretty close, "Bach for Bachelor Pads". I think its great; creative and = quite clever...and it bridges the gap between the "exotica" music I like = and what my fiancee (a classical musician) appreciates. Not too many = recordings do that. Eric > >There is also a compilation CD with the Swingle Singers and Jaques = Lousier,=20 >Eric correct me, but it might be called =93Bach for the Bachelor Pad=94? = And=20 >there is even a track of them playing together. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:08:13 -0500 Domenic Ciccone wrote: > I’m nuts about Baroque interpretations. . Anybody have any favorites? How 'bout "Jazz Guitar Bach"? http://www.jsbach.org/jazzguitar.html lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) p5's Newest LP Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:15:14 -0800 (PST) Pizzicato Five "Ca Et La Du Japon" (Readymade, Japan, 2001) What a beautiful intricate way to say goodbye to 16 years of great lps. This is probably their last new lp. Ca Et La Du Japon has more of a pop feel and less of a club dance beats feel than their last lps. Also it reference Japanese culture much more. This album is full of wonderful melodies and quirky intricate changes that are a key signature of Konishi. Some great pop songs are on this lp. I can't recommend this album enough for shibuya-kei fans. P 5 have amazed me over the last 8 years. The quality of their music has been phenomenal. The style of their music always seemed to be evolving. Exoticats might enjoy Quiet Couple an instrumental version of their Bacharac soaked first full lp way back from the mid 1980's. Try Made In the USA to get a taste of more recent styles. I have really been shocked by the power of their singles/eps in the last 2 years. Darling of the Discoteque has an almost I Am the Walrus / Paint It Black sitar feel to it for me. There's really been nothing quite as impressive as this band for me. Sorry for the split. I think Konishi will have a bright future without Miss Maki. Thanks William for the updates. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck Its available (Japanese import only) from Other Music and Dusty Groove for $29. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- William wrote: > > hi all, > > for those that dig p5. it is official. they will split at the > end of this > month. there have been rumours flying around for some time. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:21:12 -0800 (PST) One of the trends in classical music and especially Bach was to bring the music back to its period instruments and the style it was originally meant to be played in. Philippe Herreweghe and the Harmonia Mundi label from France haunted me when I first heard Bach played that way. I was familiar with Bach ala Bernstein and especially Wendy Carlos. Just loved Walter Carlos interpretation, caught my attention big time. But Philippe Herreweghe was just too beautiful an interpretation of Bach for me to resist. No more tick tock clock notes, not too many notes too fast filling up every second, but a beautiful peaceful flowing music is the way Bach may have originally sounded, at least in Herreweghe's interpretation. Mo I also attended a symphony the other night. Beautiful but it was a little old fashion and tedious sitting sitting still that long. I found it much easier to go park out at the lake front last night, with a delicious bottle of French wine, French bread and Italian cheese and listen to the new Tipsy, P-5, Thievery Corporation and Chicklett with my girlfriend. I guess parking at a lake front and watching the waves crash is old fashioned but at least Tipsy, P 5 and Thievery Corp aren't. As for Chicklet they sounded like a 1966 band with sweet girl vocals on top. I think we are in some of the best times for modern music releases/interpretations (such as Senor Coconut). The music scene today is as diverse as ever. Great modern Bossa Nova, Power Pop, Pop, modern sunshine Pop, modern soft pop, Ambient, Electronica, breakbeat, Tiki(Don Tiki), surf. And even more amazing in this modern world is Brian Wilson rose from the dead, toured and did the whole Pet Sounds album live with a symphony orchestra. For those who aren't familiar with the modern pop scene I highly recommend Caroline Now on the Marina label available at DustyGroove as a great introduction. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- Moritz R wrote: > That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and > when? I only know that Jaques Lousier made him pretty popular > again in the jazz scene of the 50s and beyond. For myself it owes > to Walter (now Wendy) Carlos, who gave Bach a new kick. Both > musicians changed Bach significantly to update him though. > Funny you mention Bach. Only last night I was in a classical __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: J o h n Subject: Re: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:27:08 -0800 (PST) Speaking of Brazilian beats (well, sort of), has anyone on the list heard the Lindberg Hemmer Foundation' "Brazilian Architecture" CD? I saw it listed on the dustygrooves site and it looks like it could be a good listen. Is it pure bossa stuff? Thanks! John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Brazilian Beats vol II Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:59:57 EST In a message dated 3/13/1 12:27:41 PM, schlockmagazine@yahoo.com wrote: >has >anyone on the list heard the Lindberg Hemmer >Foundation' "Brazilian Architecture" CD? Not yet and I was wondering...I got their other CD a couple of years back "Music For Supermarkets" and still listen to it. Electronic-flava'd EZ listening...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:25:25 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > My ears say yes to "Don Tiki" and "Bo Axelsson and his exotic sounds" and no to 99.99%. what about Tipsy? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Schmalzwald im Roter Salon 15.03. Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:25:30 +0100 Schmalzwald im Roter Salon Do., 15. Maerz, 22.00 Uhr with Fuzzy Love (live!) and DJ Feierabend Record Player Come on down to Schmalzwald's home away from home to dance and shake to recycled sounds! Check out some of the new songs Fuzzy Love has been learning by the Bee Gees, Cream, Chubby Checker, and the Trashmen! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds... Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:55:39 -0500 At 10:48 AM 3/13/01 -0500, clayton black wrote: .>> "Dynamica" - Ray Martin > >I like this album, but I wonder about his other album in the Stereo Action .> Are any of his >albums consistently that good? In my opinion, Ray Martin is one of the most consistent. His two Stereo Action are the two best S.A's. He made a really good album of Bond covers. Then there's that absolutely wacky "Out of Sight" record he made, one of the few "concept albums" of the lounge era. None of these guys are 100% consistent but he comes closer than most. > >> "My Son, The Folksinger" - Alan Sherman >> >I think I see this almost more than any album in the bins, except for the >Herb Alpert repertoire. Which leads me to the reason for this note. Are >there any albums that folks see time and time again that are actually very >good, and certainly worth the fifty cents If you're asking is there an Alan Sherman record with lots of groovy electric sitar, the answer is "Not that I've found". But I think his records are worth a listen. How much will you pay for a couple of pleasant listenings? If fifty cents is too much, I can understand. And in that case, no there aren't any of his records worth more than fifty cents. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 19:53:42 +0100 (CET) citerar Moritz R : > Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > > > My ears say yes to "Don Tiki" and "Bo Axelsson and his exotic sounds" and > no to 99.99%. > > what about Tipsy? I bought Tipsys first album, and enjoyed it (So you see I am not all against everything sampled). I lended the cd to a girlfriend and she loved it so I let her keep it. Can't say that I missed it since. But it was pretty good. On concerts, I recently was on a jazzconcert with Arne Domnerus, wellknown jazzman even abroad. It was music from the fifties, and it was as good as then. I real kick. We were maybe five people under fifty years there, and it was maybe five to sixhundred people gathered. Is not that strange? I know a lot of youngsters are playing jazz in Sweden, and very good too, but this night, where were they? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) welcome Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:01:54 -0600 Hi Rock, Thanks for the info on Zodiac Sounds, that's the way my brother-in- law is, he has an old beaten up copy that he made a CD out of, sounds terrible, but he loves it. Would love to find him a good copy. Thanks again...from one newbi to another... Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:14:11 -0500 This is mostly for Brian but... I just found a used record store here and, while it lasts, it's AMAZING! The only drawback is that everything you might want is either $10 or $20. And maybe it's not great for the stuff you want, whatever that is. But for the kind of stuff I want, it's mind boggling. I have a feeling james brouwer, our soundtrack maven, has been there. If he hasn't, I'm almost afraid to tell him about it. This might be my only chance to get a few cool soundtracks. On the other hand, I've only been there once and I keep forbidding myself to return. I don't think records are disappearing. I think that you have to look in different places. There are still lots of places with lots of records and very few people buying them. Ohio for instance. I think one of the things that's happened is that people finally clued in to the fact that their old records are actually worth something. Unfortunately it's sort of human nature that when you hear they're worth something, that you think they must be worth A LOT. The stores that buy used vinyl have been glutted with the stuff. And lots of records that would have once seemed special, are seeming less special. So even if you come in with some record that a lot of people on this list would die for, they're not going to give you too much for it. So people are holding onto their records. They don't want to give them away because they're supposed to be worth something. But they can't find anyone to give them what they THINK they're worth. That's my theory. You gotta see this store though... It's sick. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: (exotica) [obits] Michael Smith, Morton Downey Jr. Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:30:33 -0600 The Raiders were signed by CBS' Columbia Records in 1963, and in 1965 they were hired to host ``Where the Action Is,'' a daily afternoon television show on ABC produced by Dick Clark Productions. The Raiders' hit singles included ``Just Like Me,'' ``Kicks,'' ``Good Thing'' and ``Indian Reservation.'' ******************* Oh, how I loved the Raiders. Would hurry home from school to watch them. Too cool... Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fiete=20Apoll?= Subject: (exotica) Great Soundtracks... Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:34:05 +0100 (CET) Hi... This is the second time I post something to this great mailing list! The discussion about Soundtracks is very interessting! One Soundtrack I am now looking for allready more than a decade is 'Assault on Precinct13' from John Carpenter. I have seen the movie and the main theme is really wicked! It is so great!!! I love it! Anyone of you know the Soundtrack? More Soundtracks... Two Soundtracks I also would really be interessted in are: 'The Party' from Henry Manc, with a wicked Cover art and some nice sounds! Or look for 'It's a mad, mad, mad World'!!! Great Coverwork over a double records Cover (or how you call it in English!?)... Greetings... Fiete __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) FW: Florida scores! Date: 13 Mar 2001 14:55:30 -0500 At 10:25 AM 3/13/01 -0000, Charles Moseley wrote: > >> Lots of finds in FL including: >> >> Jazz for the Jet Set - Dave Pike (easy jazz) >> Layers - Les McCann (top quality moody jazz with Clavinet and Arp) >> Lots of Enoch Light and Command/Project3 LPs - about 10 including Brass >> Menagerie that turned out to have a Bill Cosby record in it. Drat! >> James Bond thing with Kenyon Hopkins and a couple of other jazz artists. This certainly proves my..."theory" that there are still tons of records out there if only you're in the right place. I don't know how many tracks Dave Pike made that are as groovy as that track with the electric sitar that I heard on a compilation a few years ago. But judging from the records I've heard of his, I don't think many. Still because of that one track, the name of Dave Pike was elevated and his records became more expensive and more scarce. I think I've seen that "Jazz for the Jet Set" LP. It has a girl with a space suit on it? If so, that's a very attractive album cover and a lot of stores would put 40 dollars or so on it, even if the record turns out to be mellow vibes jazz that you could get in many other packages for A LOT less. I love those stores - and they're rare around here - where they see a cool record and think "Oh someone might pay an extra dollar because of the cover" and they put it out for 5 bucks. I was in a store like that in London, Ontario. The coolest record in the store, which would have been forty bucks here, was on the wall there for ten bucks. Anyway nice to see you back Charlie. Thanks for that offer you made me. And nice to see you found a place with lots of records. It makes sense somehow that Florida would be a minefield of used vinyl. No hanging chad jokes here. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Re: Disappearing Records Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:08:11 -0800 Gee, I'm really sorry I asked anyone about their favorite album covers the other week. I just wanted to know about some albums to look around for to see their design, beyond the albums I have, and the books of album cover art I have, and on and on and on. I didn't know that my inquisitiveness would be so awful for certain readers. Maybe I should keep this in mind and only ask about things I am certain NO ONE knows about. Or only talk about things I was really into ten years ago, like Yma Sumac, so that there's no sense of the status quo being rocked here. Or keep totally off topic and bring up things like foot fungus. I come to this list to learn. And just like many others here, there's nothing really new anyone could tell me about Sergio Mendes, or Martin Denny, but I have no problem answering questions people posit, because with knowledge comes responsibility. I just don't get why someone would be so bothered about someone bringing up topics that have been brought up before. So what? Just delete the message. Mr. Unlucky --- Mr. Unlucky presents Shoot To Kill, a weekly set of jazz, soundtrack music, Now Sound, and the occasional foray into international territory on Supersphere.com, Thursdays 1-2 p.m. (CST). Many past sets are archived for future listening pleasure. http://www.supersphere.com Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:08:46 -0500 >>I don't think records are disappearing. I think that you have to look in >>different places. There are still lots of places with lots of records and >>very few people buying them. My future brother-in-law works at a hospital. To raise money they have a huge yard sale where people donate there unwanted items to sell. He told me that they used to throw out the rekkids, not even sell them. He's threw out a whole pick-up truck load once. Well he's saving them for me. So someday soon I'll have a cellar full of Mantovani and Andy Williams! Domenic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:17:13 -0500 At 02:26 PM 3/13/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: > Same with music, I dont >care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums. To me, the >monotoneous rythmic beat from a machine is DEATH! I like it when >musicians play themselves. I know there's really nothing in this post that requires a reply or a comment but somehow I'm drawn to do so anyway. On principle, I would say that I prefer the sound of a musician playing their instrument too. However I'm not sure I can tell the difference. Right now I'm listening to the second Cinematic Orchestra CD (Gee I wish they'd have chosen a less clumsy name) and the drums sound amazing. They sound like Elvin Jones. I've heard that they make their CD's by starting with live musicians and then someone cuts up and samples the recordings. Anyway, what am I taking issue with? You can't argue with taste and particularly not with Magnus. I guess I'm reacting to him saying he doesn't like sampling. If I like a record that was created with lots of "sampling", that doesn't mean I like sampling. Sampling is not a style of music, it's a technique. It's like hearing Boots Randolph and saying "I don't like the saxophone" (not that Boots didn't make some okay records, such as his version of "These Boots..") To me saying "I don't like sampling" is a philosophical position. Almost like a religious position. I was a big fan of a lot of the "lo-fi" music that came out of the alternative rock scene. But I know that wasn't just about the music. It was about an aesthetic and I was making an aesthetic choice. Which is a philosophical choice. I think I know what I'm saying here and I think I know why I'm arguing with Magnus. It's because, Magnus, you bring all this personal philosophical "baggage" to your appreciation of everything and then you turn around and pretend that it's all there in the music. > Anyone have a problem with my attitude? Yeah I do. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) [obits] Michael Smith, Morton Downey Jr. Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:26:52 -0800 (PST) I've heard this, and I do not know if it's a fact, but to help establish the conspiracy I will mention that The Chantays, who had the hit Pipeline*, released their first lp on the Downey label (reissued on Dot). *the credit for authorship is given to Chantays band members Carmen and Spickard, I believe. --- nytab@pipeline.com wrote: > Downey, ...., composing > such hit surf-rock songs as ``Pipeline'' and > ``Wipeout'' in the 1960s. > (Is this true??? Somehow, I'm doubting it! - Lou) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Some Velvet Scoring (was: Jonny "Delicado" Perl Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:33:07 -0500 At 11:05 AM 3/13/2001, Mo wrote: >I think this is a good idea. music history eventually burns down to "the >single song". my fave is still Some Velvet Morning, and I guess I could >write a book about it. You can find the entire cosmos in one song. BTW: I >just checked thorugh the "Groovin With Nancy" DVD and in the spoken >comment Nancy says, that the mysterious fog you see in the background when >Lee comes riding along with his horse, was in fact the smoke of a garbage >burning factory. Now, next day, when I watched it again, I thought, man, >how great! They should have shown a glimpse of that factory. It adds a new >dimension to the video and the song. That's funny... double coincidence. Friday night I watched *my* tape of "Movin' With Nancy". Saturday morning, purely by chance, I scored a copy of the sheet music for "This Town" -- a Lee Hazlewood song Nancy did in the show! I think the song was originally written for the movie "The Cool Ones" -- at any rate, that's the connection the sheet music ties into. See cover here: http://ookworld.com/thistown.jpg Hey, a soundtrack connection... does that make this post a triple-score? Ernie Freeman's down there in the small print with the score credit. And don't miss Mrs. Miller. m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Great Soundtracks... Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:37:23 -0500 At 08:34 PM 3/13/01 +0100, Fiete Apoll wrote: >More Soundtracks... Two Soundtracks I also would >really be interessted in are: > >'The Party' from Henry Manc, with a wicked Cover art >and some nice sounds! That's one of my favorites. More than just nice sounds. Great electric sitar sounds from Bill Plummer!!! This record got "played out" a lot by some local D.J's and suddenly it was hard to find. "Everybody" - meaning maybe twenty people - wanted it and they were asking dealers for it and then dealers were looking for it and next thing you know, it's a fifty dollar record. Somehow ever since I found two copies in Cleveland for a buck each, I think the rush on this record has died down a bit and it's back to being a ten buck record. But I actually think this is almost worth the big money. Of its type (sui generis?), this is about as good as it gets. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:52:20 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:01:13 +0100 >From: Moritz R >Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music > >That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when? You would have to credit Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s. In the late sixties, Stokowski's transcriptions fell out of favor as music snobs championed historical performances, but now conductors like Sawallisch, Bamberg and Solonen are rediscovering them and presenting them as romantic alternatives to the "HIP" approach. No one does it like old Stoki though. In his hands, those transcriptions were like mini movies with a kaleidoscope of moods and textures. If you get a chance to hear any of his recordings of them with the Philadelphia Orchestra, check them out. They are real mind expanders. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:52:59 -0800 (PST) For me records aren't disappearing, but they are being replaced by 1980s records. Seriously I am shocked by the multitudes of 1980s records appearing in huge numbers in thrifts down here. My favorite thrifts have suddenly dried up with finds and there is Top Gun sound track staring at me. I think employees at thrift stores pull out all the good stuff and the definition of good stuff has been expanded due to ebayazation. Now good stuff includes lots of exotica and soundtracks or just any cool cover. Really I believe that is why Elvis and the Beatles never appear in thrifts unless you go through the box that is dropped off before the thrift store employees do. Also I think there are a lot more shoppers than before. But in a small area it only takes one used record store owner to bribe his way to all the good records from thrift store employees before they are put on the shelves. Really, Herb Alpert's Whipped Cream has even disappeared from the thrifts down here. I think I may already have enough though to wall paper a room in my house. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Musical Luddite Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:09:19 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:26:17 +0100 (CET) >From: "Magnus Sandberg" >Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music > >To me music is like a painting or a drawing, I dont know how it is done >but I am sure that it takes a lot of practice to learn. Musicianship sure seems to be on the wane right now. Everyone is focused on musicality. >Same with music, I dont >care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums. I detest any synthesizer that is tweaked to sound like an acoustic instrument. They NEVER sound as good, especially synth strings. Blech! The best synth music is the early stuff where the machine itself set the parameters of the voice. They used the sound of the machine musically, without trying to make it sound like the musical equivalent of wood grain contact paper. Whether I hear Yanni or Peter Gabriel abusing sampling to create tacky pseudo-acoustic sounds, it all sounds the same to me... fake. Techno music all sounds the same to me. No personality or musical expression at all. Just relentless, mindless grooves. It's time to unplug and get back to basics. I think that there will be a blow out when computers make it possible for EVERYONE to crank out mindless synthesized dribble. Then the musicians who make this stuff will see that they don't have an corner on the market for E-Z to create synth-drones and beat in a box rhythms. This will be force them to return to *being able to play instruments well*. The sessions guys who made the percussion records of the fifties were 100 times the musicians of the people making similar sounding stuff today. And these guys were just *average* for their time! Kenny G gets a world record for the longest sustained note... Who cares? Louis Armstrong could chop or squeeze a note an make it sing. Expressiveness and craftsmanship aren't dead. They are just sleeping it off. I'm with you on this one, Magnus... See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Philosophical Baggage Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:35:19 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >It's because, Magnus, you bring all this personal philosophical "baggage" >to your appreciation of everything and then you turn around and pretend >that it's all there in the music. If you don't have a theory, and nothing is happening in your brain while you listen, the music just floats in one ear and out the other. It doesn't matter what you listen to... I would much rather hear the opinion of someone with "philosophical baggage" that I disagree with, than listen to blather of "oh this is good and this is good" from someone with no critical point of view at all. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) the dross of the stacks Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:37:47 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Seriously I am shocked by the multitudes of 1980s records appearing >in huge numbers in thrifts down here. My favorite thrifts have >suddenly dried up with finds and there is Top Gun sound track >staring at me. >I think employees at thrift stores pull out all the good stuff Fifteen years ago, I complained about all the Ray Coniff and Herb Alpert records! Time marches on! See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Dean Subject: (exotica) Jazz for the Jet Set Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:48:51 -0600 alan zweig wrote: > At 10:25 AM 3/13/01 -0000, Charles Moseley wrote: > >> > >> Jazz for the Jet Set - Dave Pike (easy jazz) > I think I've seen that "Jazz for the Jet Set" LP. It has a girl with a > space suit on it? If so, that's a very attractive album cover and a lot of > stores would put 40 dollars or so on it, even if the record turns out to be > mellow vibes jazz that you could get in many other packages for A LOT less. Funny you should mention this. I found this LP jacket at a local (Baton Rouge) thrift store last week. JUST THE JACKET, mind you, but in mint condition! The cover really is very striking; someone before me had propped it on a shelf, apparently out of admiration. Needless to say I went through every loose lp in the store looking for the record itself, but alas, to no avail. Still, I bought it. I've never heard the music, but I have the cover! I'm relieved to hear that it PROBABLY doesn't sound as good as it looks. Ya never KNOW, though, 'til it hits yer ears! paul dean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) A brighter view Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:05:54 +0100 (CET) > > > It's because, Magnus, you bring all this personal > > philosophical "baggage" > > > to your appreciation of everything and then you turn around and > > pretend > > > that it's all there in the music. BUT IT IS!!! Man is his environment, noone could argue with the fact that music is mechanical because our surrounding is mechanical. I just can't find a secret hideaway other than in music recorded before the 70s. > > Anyone have a problem with my attitude? > > Yeah I do. Sometimes I think that I have lost my feelings, but considering the way I feel about music I probably have not. My attitude may come from the fact that I have grown up in a small town with nothing but hockey and football, I had to search everything out myself, (I am sure that I share that with a lot of you) maybe that is why I sometimes feel that this is "my" music or "my" book. That is the way it is, and if that bugs you, you just dont understand passion. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:13:48 -0500 >>That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and >>when? >You would have to credit Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral >transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s. Actually it was Mendelssohn's 1829 performance of the St. Matthew Passion in Berlin that sparked the Bach "rediscovery." There were other activities around that time but the performance was what really pushed it out of scholarship and into the mainstream. Check the Britannica or any music history text. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: delicado@cheerful.com Subject: (exotica) Re: swingle singers Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:15:31 -0500 (EST) >I=92m nuts about Baroque interpretations. Carlos et all. >And try to put= them in the martini mix. Anybody have >any favorites?=20 Hi Dom, I'm also a big Swingle Singers fan. The often-mentioned 'Bacharach Baroq= ue' by The Renaissance (aka Snuff Garrett) is really superb - lots of wor= dless vocals, harpsichord - really swinging. =20 Another record which has been recommended to me, but which I've not heard= , is 'baroque'n'stones'. =20 I would avoid 'the baroque beatles book'; I also wasn't madly keen on the= Jacques Loussier and Waldo los Rios albums I picked up over the years. 'The baroque inevitable' is fun though, and on first listen, Lalo Schifri= n's '....the marquis de Sade' album seems to be great. Sorry for the lack of artist info for many titles here; these records oft= en do not seem to have any. You should also maybe check out the Polish group 'Novi Singers'. Their '= novi sings chopin' album is good, although in a quiet way rather than in = a jazzy swinging way. Everything else they did is highly recommended - f= rom wild and jazzy psych stuff (e.g. 'torpedo', and the recent 'go right'= compilation on JCR compost records) tnto heavenly bossa nova originals w= ith vocal harmonies (the album 'Bossa nova', available on a Polish CD). cheers, jonny Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:23:12 +0100 (CET) citerar delicado@cheerful.com: > > >I=92m nuts about Baroque interpretations. There are a lot of cheaplabel recordings to be found here with that odd=20 mix of classical music and wordless vocal singing with a sixties beat.=20 One track is hilarious but if you listen to the whole album you want to=20 throw the record out. Lalo Schifrin made a good record with a long=20 title "demented music inspired by marquis de sade" or something like=20 that, I exchanged it for lymans taboo 2, but I never got the lyman.=20 Shame. It was a really good record. Anyone have it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) Jill Mingo on Luxuriamusic Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:36:05 -0500 Hey! Former list member Jill Mingo is going to be on www.luxuriamusic.com tomorrow Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:00 PM PST on Jon Hucks show. Check it out at http://www.luxuriamusic.com/Event_Page?eventID=10257 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:40:12 -0500 DC wrote: > >I’m nuts about Baroque interpretations. Any favorites? One of the nice sections of the jsbach.org site is an area where you can list out Bach recordings organized by instrument as opposed to performer or piece. http://jsbach.org/recommendedinstrument.html Recommended Recordings by Instrument includes such unorthodox categories as: Accordion Banjo Computer Drums Electric Bass Electric Guitar Koto Panpipe Percussion Saxophone Shakuhachi Synthesizer Vibraphone # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) lies lies lies Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:48:42 -0500 I was about to ask you guys about a particular record. Trouble is I found it on ebay and the only way I can ever win anything on ebay is to be the only one to bid on it. So I was thinking of saying "Hey my friend saw this record in a store. Is it worth it?" But I figured you guys would just go and look for it on ebay anyway. So there's this guy who wants at least 20 American dollars for Quincy Jones' soundtrack to "Deadly Affair". I never pay $20 unless a record is really really extraordinary. So, should my friend pay $20 for this. OH and this other friend of mine saw the soundtrack for Mike Hammer by Skp Martin. He was sure that it wasn't the Stacey Keach version but something much older. Was he right? AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:50:53 -0500 > >>That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and >>when? > >You would have to credit Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral > >transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s. > > >Actually it was Mendelssohn's 1829 performance of the St. Matthew Passion >in Berlin that sparked the Bach "rediscovery." There were other activities >around that time but the performance was what really pushed it out of >scholarship and into the mainstream. Check the Britannica or any music >history text. > I think with Bach by "discovery" we can also mean new ways of playing his music? People are always doing different things with his music and sometimes it may be because technology allows us to do new things. Sorry I'm terrible with names...but there is a CD of the Goldberg Variations done on guitar. The artist transcribed the music, commissioned the making of 2 guitars especially for this and played both the guitars. Like Bill Evans on "Conversations with Myself". It's wonderful. And there is a recording of some of the French Suites done on the accordion! Domenic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach Rediscovered Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:00:00 -0800 (PST) I'm always on the lookout for Stokowski records. I thrifted a beautiful Swan Lake act 3 & 4 . Believe it or not this is my very favorite lp cover these days. The nicest shade of green I have ever seen. Better than Whipped Cream, even better than Music For Piece of Mind. Alas the lp was a a bit scratchy for my snobby must be perfect classical taste. I wish I could put up with scratches on classical as well as I do on exotica or rock. Maybe its because I really started listening to classical music when I got my first cd player. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- bigshot wrote:You would have to credit Leopold Stokowski with his orchestral > transcriptions of Bach organ works in the mid 1920s. In the late > sixties, Stokowski's transcriptions fell out of favor as music > snobs championed historical performances, but now conductors like > Sawallisch, Bamberg and Solonen are rediscovering them and > presenting them as romantic alternatives to the "HIP" approach. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Disappearing Records Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:14:14 -0500 > Gee, I'm really sorry I asked anyone about their favorite album covers the other week. I just wanted >to know about some albums to look around for to see their design, beyond the albums I have, and >the books of album cover art I have, and on and on and on. I didn't know that my inquisitiveness >would be so awful for certain readers. Maybe I should keep this in mind and only ask about things >I am certain NO ONE knows about. There's no subject that doesn't have at least one listmember who knows something about it - just ask any question, and you'll soon see... (didn't The Wire magazine call us a bunch of know-it-alls?) > Or only talk about things I was really into ten years ago, like Yma Sumac, so that there's no sense >of the status quo being rocked here. Or keep totally off topic and bring up things like foot fungus. Foot stuff is Alan's area of expertise, I believe. Not necessarily fungus, but those toenails... cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 10:29:56 +1100 on 14/3/01 12:27 AM, Magnus Sandberg at m.sandberg@telia.com wrote: > Computers makes things easy. I learned to draw by myself, after ten > years it was evident I had some talent. After ten more years I thought > that I sometimes succeeded. Now after 31 years I occasionally can make > something after very hard work that I consider is good enough for > publishing. After 50 years maybe I am good at it. > On the other hand I could make pictures in photoshop. I could steal > pictures someone else have done and alter them, I would save time and > energy that way. I could even make money doing it. A lot of money. But > my personal skill wouldnt show. It wouldnt be beautiful if I enhanced > it 1000 times, which a good drawing would be. Magnus, speaking as somone whose partner has been an illustrator (mainly pen and ink) for over 15 years and who has in the last year moved wholly to drawing by hand in Photoshop on the computer I have to disagree. All her skills as an artist have been transferred and it is certainly not "easier". Her productivity for commercial work has increased because of the technology used to deliver roughs and artwork but she still has to imagine and decide about every detail of the finished work. Check out the coverart on "Living It Up.." when it comes your way via the ExoticaRing or visit http://www.noisypics.com if you'd like to see a folio of some fairly recent Photoshop drawing. Philip -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers Date: 14 Mar 2001 10:39:58 +1100 on 14/3/01 9:23 AM, Magnus Sandberg at m.sandberg@telia.com wrote: > Lalo Schifrin made a good record with a long > title "demented music inspired by marquis de sade" or something like > that, I exchanged it for lymans taboo 2, but I never got the lyman. > Shame. It was a really good record. Anyone have it? Yep. "The Dissection and Reconstruction of Music From the Past as performed by the inmates of Lalo Schifrins demented ensemble as a tribute to the memory of the Marquis de Sade" to give it its full title. also reissued on Verve as "Blues for Johann Sebastian" BTW anyone know anything about The Double Six of Paris? I have a great version of "Night in Tunisia by them but have never heard anything else. Philip -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle schifrin Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:59:28 -0500 >Lalo Schifrin made a good record with a long >title "demented music inspired by marquis de sade" or something like >that, I exchanged it for lymans taboo 2, but I never got the lyman. >Shame. It was a really good record. Anyone have it? I have the CD reissue that came out a few years back. Some people don't seem to like it, but I do. Cool stuff to my ears. And I love this bit from Schifrin's liner notes: "'Aria' was the product of a delirious experience. I was playing at the piano some fragments of 'Dido and Aeneas,' by the outstanding English composer, Henry Purcell (1659-1695), while my wife was reading Aztec poetry in loud voice." Yep, just another night at the Schifrin homestead. m.ace mace@ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:36:11 +0100 Chuck schrieb: > > Mo I also attended a symphony the other night. Beautiful but it > was a little old fashion and tedious sitting sitting still that > long. these coincidences strike me. > I think we are in some of the best times for modern music > releases/interpretations (such as Senor Coconut). The music scene > today is as diverse as ever. Great modern Bossa Nova, Power Pop, > Pop, modern sunshine Pop, modern soft pop, Ambient, Electronica, > breakbeat, Tiki(Don Tiki), surf. I still don't quite understand Magnus's hate of the computer. I think tod= ay the use of it has so much refined that in many cases you don't even re= cognize the difference between a computer generated track and a hand-play= ed one. The sounds come from acoustic sources via the sampler. To me this= hand-playing is not a holy cow. I don't see a great value in spending ye= ars of your life just to be able to play a drum set as straight as a comp= uter. According to this thinking, the use of a washing machine would be a= bad thing. Instead of learning to become a machine an artist nowadays ha= s the freeedom to experiment with all kinds of musical material. Even if = you always lose something with what you win through progress, an attitude= like "it was all better then" seems to pount to a deep dissatisfaction w= ith progress in general. Of course it's up to magnus what he likes, only = I'd consider it a pity if he would dispise certain great aspects of today= 's music for the wrong reasons or for reasons not inherent in the music i= tself. > And even more amazing in this > modern world is Brian Wilson rose from the dead, toured and did the > whole Pet Sounds album live with a symphony orchestra. Plus there is new music even in this field. No, the bright thing about ou= r dark age is today's music! > I guess parking at a > lake front and watching the waves crash is old fashioned but at > least Tipsy, P 5 and Thievery Corp aren't. It's the romanticism of our generation and I don't see any reason why it = shouldn't be as "classic", "important" and "valuable" as any classical mu= sic. I love to listen to music in the car. Maybe even more than at home. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de =2E......................................................................= =2E. n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:39:11 +0100 Domenic Ciccone schrieb: > >That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when? > > Felix Mendelssohn, his sister Fanny, and their friends used to get toge= ther > and go over music that they called =93the lost art=94. They put togethe= r a > concert of most of the St. Matthew Passion and the re-discovery of Bach= was > on its way. Took about 50 years to get all the music printed. interesting. when was this? > In a way you could say that Bach was the original =93exotica find=94. A= talented > local artist that was almost forgotten except by family and friends unt= il > someone started promoting it. Exotica I don't know. Retro definitely. the 19th century was entirely ret= ro. -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers Date: 13 Mar 2001 19:11:28 EST In a message dated 3/13/1 5:16:15 PM, delicado@cheerful.com wrote: >You should also maybe check out the Polish group 'Novi Singers'.... yesyesyes Domenic...add to that "Les Masques"..An anthology of their work is available at Dusty Groove...They had one track on the "Sexopolis" comp of three years ago or so called "Il Faut Tenir"...The LP, though boot, is great soft pop meets vocalese via Sergio Mendes....Hope that helps...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 01:31:37 +0100 (CET) I dont hate the computer!!!! PHOTOSHOP was and is amazing. A PERFECT SOFTWARE! I just dont like mechanical music. It seems that I cant make myself clear at all. It is a little part of todays music that I just dont like. People are playing jazz, surf, bossa, mambo, and everything else nice that I would probably like. I just dont get exposed to it that often because: I AM EXPOSED TO CRAP!!!!!!!! when I leave the house. Or on TV, radio etc. IT EATS ME UP!!!!!!!!! All my bad ideas about new music comes from this pain. You probably live in a more romantic environment with clubs restaurants playing good music. I dont. I wont mention it again! I am watching Umbrellas of Cherbourg for the first time, now I wish that Genevieve would ring on my door and sing something to me. Next girl I am interested in I shall sing for. Definetely! Mag # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) Bach and other things Date: 13 Mar 2001 16:59:42 -0800 There is a very interesting article about Bach's late rediscovery here: http://www.nybooks.com/nyrev/WWWarchdisplay.cgi?20000615047R And about the discussion about lurkers... I'm usually a lurker. I have posted a couple of times but that's it. Only when I am sure no one else knows what I do (which is basically Colombian stuff). Why is that? Several reasons. One has already been mentioned: there is people here who know a lot and I would feel embarrassed to say something stupid here. Second, it has to do with the way I enjoy music or knowledge in general. Sometimes I don't like to own things, but just like to know they exist. It feels nice to know that the world is such a big place, full of cool things you haven't heard or known about or seen before. Sometimes I am really claustrophobic when I found out that in this city I live in (Bogotá, aprox pop: 7 million) people tend to run in circles. And you end up in a party chatting with the same guys you went to the nursery with. That's scary for me. And the list is some kind of antidote for that "shrinking world" feeling I get when that happens. My musical tastes are varied. I like exotica but also some post-rock (Aerial M, Papa M), some pop (Belle & Sebastian), electronic music (isolée, rinocerose, Mouse on Mars). And my favorite music in the world right now is being made by Stereo Total. What I like the most about this list is that it isn't only music related. It's also about books and art and movies and architecture and style... that's to say that it talks about life in general. One of my favorite discussions (certainly brief) was about that guy in the Godard movie that explains that there are two kinds of men in this world. I know it has nothing to do with music, but I think in things like that there lies a big part of the list's charm. And my favorite filmmaker is Alexander Kluge (one of the advantages of living in the third world: touring films from the Goethe Institut, that are shown over and over again because there is nothing else for the Cineclubs to show)... It seems to be a little late for introductions, but I just couldn't help it... Cheers, Manuel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) lies lies lies Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:02:30 -0500 on 3/13/01 5:48 PM, alan zweig at azed@pathcom.com wrote: > So there's this guy who wants at least 20 American dollars for Quincy > Jones' soundtrack to "Deadly Affair". > I never pay $20 unless a record is really really extraordinary. > So, should my friend pay $20 for this. it's nice but not that great, inho. The title track is a cool bossa. But probably not $20 cool. > OH and this other friend of mine saw the soundtrack for Mike Hammer by Skp > Martin. He was sure that it wasn't the Stacey Keach version but something > much older. Was he right? oh yeah - great crime jazz album. RCA, 1958. West coast recording with all the usual suspects. Count Basie wrote the title track. The cover is great, too, and lists the music as "Sounds Of Violence" br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Umbrellas of Cherbourg Date: 14 Mar 2001 02:05:45 +0100 (CET) I cried when it ended, not often I do that, and still I thought it was a happy ending. Bittersweet maybe. It must be all that bad energy coming out of me lately. Does the soundtrack LP/CD have vocals, or is it instrumental? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton.Black@washcoll.edu (Clayton Black) Subject: Re: (exotica) Great Soundtracks... Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:18:45 EST --- You wrote: >More Soundtracks... Two Soundtracks I also would >really be interessted in are: > >'The Party' from Henry Manc, with a wicked Cover art >and some nice sounds! That's one of my favorites. More than just nice sounds. Great = electric sitar sounds from Bill Plummer!!! This record got "played out" a lot by some local D.J's and suddenly = it was hard to find. "Everybody" - meaning maybe twenty people - wanted = it and they were asking dealers for it and then dealers were looking for = it and next thing you know, it's a fifty dollar record. Somehow ever since I found two copies in Cleveland for a buck each, = I think the rush on this record has died down a bit and it's back to being = a ten buck record. But I actually think this is almost worth the big = money. Of its type (sui generis?), this is about as good as it gets. --- end of quote --- I was in NYC this past Thursday and made a point of stopping in at = Footlight Records. I quickly saw that the prices were well beyond = what I was willing to pay, but just for interest I took a look at = The Party, which I've wanted for some time. Thirty bucks. I'm = going to continue telling myself that the anticipation of having it = may be better than having it itself. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton.Black@washcoll.edu (Clayton Black) Subject: Re: (exotica) Musical Luddite Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:29:08 EST --- You wrote: >To me music is like a painting or a drawing, I dont know how it is = done=20 >but I am sure that it takes a lot of practice to learn. Musicianship sure seems to be on the wane right now. Everyone is focused on musicality. >Same with music, I dont=20 >care much for sampling, I HATE computergenerated drums. I detest any synthesizer that is tweaked to sound like an acoustic instrument. They NEVER sound as good, especially synth strings. = Blech! The best synth music is the early stuff where the machine itself = set the parameters of the voice. They used the sound of the machine musically, without trying to make it sound like the musical equivalent of wood grain contact paper. Whether I hear Yanni or Peter Gabriel abusing sampling to create tacky pseudo-acoustic sounds, it all sounds the same to me... fake. Techno music all sounds the same to me. No personality or musical expression at all. Just relentless, mindless grooves. It's time to unplug and get back to basics. I think that there will be a blow out when computers make it possible for EVERYONE to crank out mindless synthesized dribble. Then the musicians who make this stuff will see that they don't have an corner on the market for E-Z to create synth-drones and beat in a box rhythms. This will be force them to return to *being able to play instruments well*. The sessions guys who made the percussion records of the fifties were 100 times the musicians of the people making similar sounding stuff today. And these guys were just *average* for their time! Kenny G gets a world record for the longest sustained note... Who cares? Louis Armstrong could chop or squeeze a note an make it sing. Expressiveness and craftsmanship aren't dead. They are just sleeping it off. I'm with you on this one, Magnus... --- end of quote --- I agree with most of this, especially Steve's comment about = musicianship being better then, but I wonder, does this include Eno = and Kraftwerk, whom I still adore? Magnus may get so much of the = latter that to him it's no different from Yanni, but I still say = Ralf and Florian were extraordinarily clever, musicians or not. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Great Soundtracks... Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:39:07 -0500 If I'm not mistaken, that one's been reissued on CD (RCA Spain, I think) - and a lot less than $30. cheryl > >'The Party' from Henry Manc, with a wicked Cover art > >and some nice sounds! > > I was in NYC this past Thursday and made a point of stopping in at Footlight Records. I quickly saw that the prices were well beyond what I was willing to pay, but just for interest I took a look at The Party, which I've wanted for some time. Thirty bucks. I'm going to continue telling myself that the anticipation of having it may be better than having it itself. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) More Bach and.... Supersax?? Date: 13 Mar 2001 21:48:20 -0500 >Domenic Ciccone schrieb: > > > >That brings me to the question, who really rediscovered Bach and when? > > > > Felix Mendelssohn, his sister Fanny, and their friends used to get >together > > and go over music that they called “the lost art”. They put together a > > concert of most of the St. Matthew Passion and the re-discovery of Bach >was > > on its way. Took about 50 years to get all the music printed. > >interesting. when was this? > I’m home now so I looked it up: “The Bach Reader” (1945) edited by Hans T David there is a nice section called “The Rediscovery of Bach”. (And I see we have an internet post too) ”Devrient’s account about 1823 where “At these were assembled a select number of the members of the Singakademie who were desirous to know the difficult works of the old masters. Here we used to sing what Zelter called “bristly pieces” of Sebastian Bach who was at that time considered as an unintelligible musical arithmetician with an astonishing facility in writing fugues.” Its cool that were talking about the vocal groups! And thanks Jimmy and Jonny D for da tips seems like Dusty's finally going to see my credit card number... The Double 6 of Paris is on the mostly maligned Paris Ultra-Lounge comp. But I’ve heard some of the Ray Charles tribute LP and it’s a killer. How about this: “Supersax & L.A. Voices- The Complete Edition” Got a chance to borrow this from Joe Slezik at WICN, his show is on Saturday’s 12-4PM EST (www.wicn.org) 3 LP’s on 2 CD’s from the pictures on the front I gather it’s 5 horn players and 5 vocalists, 2 woman and 3 men. Guess you could call this Swingle Singers meets west-coast vocalese. If you ever see it pick it up! Joe told me generally men like Supersax and the woman don’t. Domenic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds... Date: 13 Mar 2001 22:53:43 -0500 > Are there any albums that folks see time and time again that are actually very > > good, and certainly worth the fifty cents or dollar ? I'm not sure how good these are, but in the last 2 weeks I bought from thriftstores ten Barbara Streisand albums from her 1960's period, and 5 of the first 6 Jimmy Buffet albums. I know that I've seen many of these records individually through the years, and I guess I've learned to ignore them all this while. Yet there must be a small part of me that always wondered 'Gee, maybe there is actually something good about them that made them so popular' Part of the reason I bought them was to see if there are any songs I like on them. But another reason is that from now on if I ever see another copy of those records, I can say 'Oh, I already have one of them' and I can feel better about now passing them by. There is something about seeing an almost complete collection in one location that speaks to me. I was willing to pay $15 for 10 Streisand LPs in one whole bunch, but I would have never considered paying $1.50 on ten different trips for 10 different Streisand LPs. It might have to do with a laziness factor .... by purchasing the entire group at once, you don't have to worry about the 'Now which of these LPs do I already own?' It used to be a matter of pride for me that I didn't own any Jimmy Buffet records ...... to me the tropical setting should be rightfully claimed by the late 1950's exotica pioneers, and not some recent artist who has a large following of yuppie parrotheads who have never heard of Martin Denny. But there are a large number of my (sometimes boring) more mainstream peers who associate tropical drinks with only Jimmy Buffet. I think I bought my Buffet records to please the lowest common denominator among us - so I can now say 'yeah, I own a bunch of Buffet's albums - mostly his early stuff' and get on their good sides more quickly, rather than tensing up for my 'Why I hate Buffet' monologue. Also, I've bought most of the records I own from thriftstores. I've found lots of good stuff - duplicate copies of Barbarella soundtrack and the 101 Strings 'Astrosounds from the year 2000' I've generally passed up on record stores though, saying that it was hard to justify paying high record store prices for items I had only paid $1 myself for. But last week I was in a local used record store ..... and I admired during my previous visits the elderly store-owner for sticking with his business and keeping it running and being helpful for everyone who walked in. So before I went in the store I told myself "I'm going to buy a few records from this guy today to show my support", and I didn't mind at all paying $20 for Ann-Margaret's "Songs from 'The Swinger" After listening to it, I'm glad I did I did buy it -there are lots of great songs on it. But I also like the copy of "Pop! Goes the Westerns" featuring the hand clapping dance rhythms of Luther Henderson and his orchestra that I got the same day in a thrift for 50 cents. It features versions of 'Riders in the Sky' and 'Deep in the Heart of Texas' as performed for a urban hotel crowd dressed in tuxedos and finest evening wear. Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jschwart@voicenet.com Subject: (exotica) Downey = songwriter? Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:00:26 Ben Waugh : >*the credit for authorship is given to Chantays band members Carmen and Spickard, I believe. - --- nytab@pipeline.com wrote: > Downey, ...., composing > such hit surf-rock songs as ``Pipeline'' and > ``Wipeout'' in the 1960s. > (Is this true??? Somehow, I'm doubting it! - Lou) The songwriting credit for Pipeline is indeed to Bob Spickard and Brian Charman. The songwriting credit for "Wipe Out" is to (Surfaris members?) Ron Wilson, James Fuller, Robert Berryhill and Patrick Connolly. I was able to look this up in five minutes (in the great book WHO WROTE THAT SONG? by Dick & Harriet Jacobs). I guess the reporter couldn't be bothered (and I'm pretty sure you can get this kind of information from the BMI and ASCAP web sites). Think about that when you read a newspaper! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: Re: (exotica) Downey = songwriter? Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:31:09 -0500 The latest MDjr obit has modified the claim a bit. Lou According to CNN: Downey, who was the son of popular singer Morton Downey and his dancer-wife, Barbara Bennett, pursued a number of professions including businessman, author, radio host, singer and songwriter, composing songs for small Los Angeles record labels in the early '60s. According to one story, he composed the surf-rock hits "Pipeline" and "Wipeout," though credits for those songs do not list him. At 11:00 PM 3/13/01, jschwart wrote: > > >I was able to look this up in five minutes (in the great book WHO WROTE >THAT SONG? by Dick & Harriet Jacobs). I guess the reporter couldn't be >bothered (and I'm pretty sure you can get this kind of information from the >BMI and ASCAP web sites). Think about that when you read a newspaper! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: (exotica) LA Date: 13 Mar 2001 20:38:56 -0800 Soooo, I'm sure much of this has been discussed before, but I am going to L.A. and would like to know what your suggestions are for: good thrift stores where I can find groovy polyester shirts with loud patterns and wide lapels the best places to find vinyl all and any tiki bars all and any bars with red vinyl in them (too bad they can't be smokey anymore) any place else groovy- thanks!!!! Christine-SoCal bound for spring break # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Penna Subject: (exotica) Re: Musical Luddite Date: 13 Mar 2001 22:09:34 -0800 Steve Worth spake: >The sessions guys who made the percussion records of the fifties >were 100 times the musicians of the people making similar sounding >stuff today. And these guys were just *average* for their time! >Kenny G gets a world record for the longest sustained note... Who >cares? Louis Armstrong could chop or squeeze a note an make it >sing. Expressiveness and craftsmanship aren't dead. They are just >sleeping it off. Man, you said it. I have a particular thing for minor-label knock-off big band & percussion albums. For example, "Perspectives in Percussion," two volumes, recorded by D.L. Miller of 101 Strings fame. Made to be sold cheap, with re-re-re-pressings eventually winding up in 88-cent record racks at places like W.T. Grant in the 1960s. But get a load of the talent: Pete Candoli, Frank Rosolino, Jimmy Rowles, Irv Cottler, to name but a few, and led by Skip Martin. The cream of the 1950s Hollywood session man crop. And the sound! Particularly on the reel-to-reel tape versions. I just got a reel of volume 1 of the above on eBay for the ridiculous price of $5.29 including shipping. The sound almost literally jumps from the speakers. And for you album cover freaks, the box is covered in embossed silver foil, with the obligatory Persuasive Percussionesque abstract geometric shapes printed thereon. This one has a particularly fun "Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen." Also, I'd never figured on hearing "Red River Valley" as a cha-cha. Another great knock-off series was the "Salute to... [insert big-name bandleader]" batch by Maxwell Davis for Crown, another budget label, and again with top-flight L.A. session men. Once more, the reel-to-reel versions (either on Crown or Omegatape) sound astonishing. Then there's Francis Bay, for all you folks who didn't know Belgians could swing. I'll settle for vinyl, however. Right now I just got finished listening to "Golden Age of the Dancebands on Broadway," another D.L. Miller production on his Somerset/Stereo Fidelity label. No personnel listed, unfortunately, but they're obviously of similar calibre. All for a measly 99 cents at my local used record emporium, where the same price got me "Spike Jones New Band." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) LA Date: 13 Mar 2001 22:47:43 -0800 Hey thanks!!!! this rocks and will help me in my quest. > Hi Christine, > > The best thing you could do for yourself is pick up a copy of "LA Bizarro" by > Matt Maranian and Anthony Lovett. This has got more great sightseeing, > shopping, and tiki bar listings per page than any other resource I know of. If > you don't have time to order it off of Amazon, you can probably find a copy at > better bookstores in your area. > >> good thrift stores where I can find groovy polyester shirts with loud >> patterns and wide lapels > > Hidden Treasures in Topanga Canyon has the best all-around selection of > polyester gear. There are also lots of retro-boutiques on Melrose. > >> all and any tiki bars > > I think that Trader Vic's in Beverly Hills is the penultimate, and you should > definitely check out the Bahooka in Rosemead for completely whacked out drinks > and decor. Tiki Ti on Hollywood Blvd and the Lava Lounge are also worth a stop > if you have the time. > >> all and any bars with red vinyl in them > > Musso and Frank's Grill and the Formosa in Hollyweird. > Bob Burns in Santa Monica > >> any place else groovy > > Hang out in the Melrose/Silverlake area for a tremendous variety of art > galleries, fusion cuisine, weird shops, and retro-furniture stores. Expect to > pay top dollah for everything tho'. The last time I was there I spotted a > lime-green Eames chair for $600! > > Make a point of going to the LA International Airport to eat and drink at The > Encounter Restaurant. Be sure to go at night to see all the lights...pretty, > pretty lights...ooh! > > Have fun! > > -- > Matt Marchese > "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a > nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) LA Date: 13 Mar 2001 22:50:52 -0800 on 3/13/01 9:30 PM, Kevin Crossman at kevin@kevdo.com wrote: Thanks!! This will be also very helpful. I will try to have a good report. Christine > Christine Karkow wrote: >> the best places to find vinyl > DB Cooper's in Burbank was ok. > >> all and any tiki bars > > Check the Mai Tai site: http://www.kevdo.com/maitai/ (check by Geography) > > -Kevin # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds... Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:26:22 -0700 itsvern@attglobal.net wrote: > There is something about seeing an almost complete collection in one location > that speaks to me. I was willing to pay $15 for 10 Streisand LPs in one whole > bunch, but I would have never considered paying $1.50 on ten different trips for > 10 different Streisand LPs. i too have bought records i would normally pass over just because they were part of what was obviously one person's collection. somehow bob dylan has never meant much to me but one time i bought seven early dylan albums just because they were all together in one place in the thrift store. the really great thing was that in this collection of real dylan records was a an easy listening record of dylan covers by the golden gate strings. i can only guess that the person bought the record because it had a big, beautiful photo of their hero on the cover. as it turns out, the only record in the lot i ever listen to is the one by the golden gate strings (i especially like their country hoedown take on "mr. tambourine man"). mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers Date: 14 Mar 2001 02:28:34 -0500 At 10:39 AM 3/14/01 +1100, Philip Jackson wrote: > >BTW anyone know anything about The Double Six of Paris? I have a great >version of "Night in Tunisia by them but have never heard anything else. I guess they were like the french Lambert Hendricks and Ross only better, I would say. I had two great records by them. One of them was produced by Quincy Jones. Their approach, material, arrangements etc were all much closer to "jazz" than any similar group like the Hi-Lo's or L,H and R. They were so good, they were almost too good. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) The Problem with Machines Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:40:50 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:36:11 +0100 >From: Moritz R >Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music > >I still don't quite understand Magnus's hate of the computer. I don't want to speak for him, but I think I understand where he is coming from... I feel the same way. I don't hate the computer. I hate people who use it as a crutch to avoid developing a skill. It's like when desktop publishing came in, and everyone was doing hideously designed stuff with chrome plated letters with beveled edges and glossy highlights on everything. Every layout screamed "I have a computer!" None of it was half as good as what REAL designers were doing. When I hear a song based on a sampled riff, it only makes me want to hear the source material. The creativity of chopping up someone else's work and slapping your own name on it is lost on me. It's musical vampirism as far as I'm concerned. Sit down and make your own goddamn riff! Every time I hear that friggin Prez Prado ripoff on the radio, my blood boils. I want to wring that idiot's neck for cashing in on a REAL musician's work. Prado's version is a gazillion times better that that stupid loop. The fact that Prado's single phrase is able to be repeated so many times says a lot more for his musicianship and musicality than it does for the sampling monkey. There is no computer shortcut to creativity. You can use the computer as a tool, but you still have to put in the dues and learn the skills needed. A lot of people in my business (animation) learn computer programs like Flash before they can DRAW! That is just plain bass ackwards. I don't see a lot of real craftsmanship in music right now. There are isolated musicians who are really talented and have studied and perfected their art. But the majority are all image and no substance. It's depressing when you have a clear understanding of where music came from. It has been a steady slide downward since the early 60s. Just listen to film music now. Dmitri Tiompkin and the Warner Symphony Orchestra has been replaced by some ultra-hip jerk with a two tone haircut and a synthesizer that spits out drones to any length necessary. Back in the 30s, 40s and 50s, music *WAS* live performance. If you weren't good standing on a stage playing your instrument, you got booed off stage and someone better replaced you. The musicians honed their chops with week after week of performance. They were REALLY GOOD at what they did. Even the C string players then had more chops than the A string musicians do now. Now you have a guy in front of a computer chopping up his music note by note to assemble a passable performance. Hand them a guitar and ask them to play and they won't sound any better than the kid in the garage next door. Music should be spontaneous and expressive. You don't get that kind of sound by programming a computer to play for you. The more I hear of old music, the more convinced I am that we have thrown out the baby and saved the bathwater. Until musicians start focusing on things that count instead of new technologies to allow them to crank out MORE mediocrity, I will stick with records from the past. There is an incredibly rich heritage there... more good stuff than I can possibly listen to in my lifetime. (But I'm sure as hell gonna try to listen to all of it!) See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday Date: 14 Mar 2001 00:40:52 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >I agree with most of this, especially Steve's comment about = >musicianship being better then, but I wonder, does this include Eno = >and Kraftwerk, whom I still adore? As much as I like them both too, yes. They are a pale shadow of the musicians of the past. Their intellectual cleverness *almost* makes up for their lack of chops. But Brian Eno ain't no Duke Ellington and Kraftwerk can't hold a candle to Nelson Riddle. It's like the difference between an ice cube and a roaring flame. I know they are two different animals, but you can still make a judgement based on the relative skill involved and the impact the music makes. Since the 60's all of the arts have moved away from craftsmanship in favor of "concepts". I prefer to have both. Older music has that. Just listen to Billie Holiday singing Strange Fruit and then listen to Eno's Sombre Reptiles. They are both unique sounds and create weird moods. The difference is that Billie Holiday is REAL. Her effortless delivery belies real skill. The combination of heartfelt sincerity, prodigeous talent and consumate skill packs a whallop that Eno's clinical detachment and "oblique strategies" could never hope to match. This sort of manifesto strays a long way from the field of "so bad it's good" commercialized pop and goofy pseudo-foreign sounding ping pong stereo records that normally fall into the "lounge" category. I hope I'm not getting too far from the subject. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Umbrellas of Cherbourg Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:44:58 +0100 Do you know "Les Demoiselles the Rochefort"? If not, you have to see that too! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach and other things Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:45:02 +0100 mkg@calle22.com schrieb: > Sometimes I am really claustrophobic when I found out that in this city= I live in (Bogot=E1, aprox pop: 7 million) people tend to run in circles= . And you end up in a party chatting with the same guys you went to the n= ursery with. That's scary for me. And the list is some kind of antidote f= or that "shrinking world" feeling I get when that happens. this list is full of paranoids, so welcome, brother. As you live in Bogot= a, you possibly have access to a local music scene that nobody else on th= is list could ever cover, so I would like to encourage you to report abou= t things happening there, whenever you like. You will face no competition= by people who "know more", or something. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) the problem with machines Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:58:05 +0100 I liked your manifesto for the real artist. I really do not deny craftmanship and skills. My only remark would be, that you shouldn't overlook the innovations that happen. To be able to deal with samples is a skill of its own and some people are better in it than others. It's just a new technology and has nothing to do with being able to tell the good from the bad and or achieving a craftmanship or making interesting music. The computer is a development unlike any other in history and will definitely change our understanding of things like craftmanship, learning and copyright. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) glass organs Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:05:45 -0000 Someone mentioned that Mozart amongst others wrote for the Glass Organ, what did he write? Is it available at all? cheers El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "James" Subject: Sv: (exotica) glass organs Date: 14 Mar 2001 12:43:06 +0100 There is on I know of: "Music For Glass Harmonica" on the US based "Vox Unique" label featuring Bruno Hoffmann on the Glass Harmonica. Perhaps he is to Glass Harmonicas what Samuel J. Hoffmann was to theremins? The Cd features works of Mozart and a few other German composers # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hodge" Subject: (exotica) KPM - prices! Date: 14 Mar 2001 10:04:24 -0000 An insatiable love of cosmic organ grooves has finally brought me to the point where I'm actually considering buying original KPM LPs - but the prices man! Unbelievable. But just the thought of getting my hands on more Mansfield/ Hawkshaw tunes is enough to send me prowling around ebay for these lps. However, I'll just have to make do with the compilations (Sound Gallery, Blow Up - exclusive blend series, etc.). Any more organ groove recommendations? One I missed out on though was the KPM soundclash LP - I think it may have been deleted. Would anyone know if there's a copy on sale anywhere? I saw a copy for sale on Ebay but it went for over Ł50!!! Or is that the price that list members would expect to pay for that KPM reissue? Also, some of the list members have been talking about the film Smashing Time. Does anyone know if it's available on PAL? I think it's on DVD (but I don't have a DVD yet!) Big thanks in advance Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach and other things Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:01:43 +0100 (CET) citerar Moritz R : > this list is full of paranoids, so welcome, brother. As you live in Bogota, > you possibly have access to a local music scene that nobody else on this > list could ever cover, so I would like to encourage you to report about > things happening there, whenever you like. You will face no competition by > people who "know more", or something. I agree with Mo, I want to know everything about Bogota! Go ahead and post. Paranoid Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Vinnie Bell and his "super electric" guitar Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:28:35 +0100 (CET) That underwater sounds that Vincent Bell has on Moon gas, on "maid of the moon" it sounds like he is saying "Hello" on it, I love that sound, it makes the LP so wonderful. I have three records with him, Popgoes the electric sitar and "greatest hits of" which is a reissue of an earlier LP. It has that underwater sound too on some of the tracks. Then there is the Airport love theme LP. Do I miss something else? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ashleywarren1@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: swingle singers Date: 14 Mar 2001 08:40:13 EST In a message dated 3/14/01 2:26:56 AM EST, azed@pathcom.com writes: << >BTW anyone know anything about The Double Six of Paris? I have a great >version of "Night in Tunisia by them but have never heard anything else. I guess they were like the french Lambert Hendricks and Ross only better, I would say. I had two great records by them. One of them was produced by Quincy Jones. Their approach, material, arrangements etc were all much closer to "jazz" than any similar group like the Hi-Lo's or L,H and R. They were so good, they were almost too good. >> I got that Double Six CD and I must admit after about 6 songs I want to go postal. ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (exotica) The Problem with Machines Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:37:54 -0500 >The creativity of chopping up someone else's work and slapping your >own name on it is lost on me. Much of this may not be creative but some sampled work requires a great amount of talent, skill and work: people such as John Oswald, Otomo Yoshihide, John Wall, RZA, DJ Shadow, etc. Whether or not the resulting music is good or bad is a completely separate question as is whether originality should be considered a virtue (an idea that's only developed over the past two or three centuries). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:46:48 -0500 >> I agree with most of this, especially Steve's comment about = >> musicianship being better then, but I wonder, does this include Eno = >> and Kraftwerk, whom I still adore? > > As much as I like them both too, yes. They are a pale shadow of the > musicians of the past. Their intellectual cleverness *almost* makes up > for their lack of chops. But Brian Eno ain't no Duke Ellington and > Kraftwerk can't hold a candle to Nelson Riddle. I can agree with this. But I'm thankful that I can have both. I see from a note that I missed the first time around (or perhaps read differently the first time) that your rant (and Magnus's) is primarily against those who use artificial means for what they ought to be doing themselves (drum machines, etc.), and it seems to me that Eno et al are doing something different--musicianship isn't really their point (although that can be a slippery slope of argumentation). The older generations clearly win hands down on skill. I'd say that another lamentable loss is the disappearance of the songwriter. No more are the Cole Porters, Irving Berlins, Jerome Kerns, etc. Everybody's got to be their own songwriter, and frankly, VERY few of them even approach genuine skill in that category. I'd rather listen to "Night and Day" a hundred different ways, each with its own subtleties, than the broad assortment of mediocre "singer-songwriters" that vie for popularity today. Having said that, I don't mean to suggest, following up on the earlier thread, that I don't think there's anything good happening now. By the way, without being too schizophrenic, does anybody have "Death by Chocolate" available at http://jetset.sinner.com/ ? I downloaded the clip from the site and loved it. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:51:49 -0500 Aw, come on, Mo. You complain about Magnus dismissing machine music, but then you dismiss live music as impractical and old fashioned. Are you just trolling for reactions now? Even if people do play near-perfect, they still don't sound like machines. And the better musicians are the ones who also inject incalculable expressiveness into their playing. I could get into a lot of issues here, but then the server would probably bounce my post. I'll just limit it to this point. "Fabricated" pieces of music are inert objects, like paintings or sculptures. This is not a point for dismissal... paintings and sculptures are fine things, and fabricated music can be too. "Live music" on the other hand, always has an element of danger, and even a ritual aspect. Every time a piece is performed, it's a resurrection of the initial creation. It's never exactly the same, and there's always the possibility of a zig or a zag (and don't forget free improv). --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: (exotica) those bossa comps someone asked about a while back... Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:23:53 +0000 Someone was asking about these compilations (the series with the body-painted women on the covers): VARIOUS "The Bossa Nova Exciting Jazz Samba Rhythms Vol. 4 - The Rare Tunes Collection" ***1/2 lp/cd - 2000 - Rare Groove / Tutti Frutti / Food For Fantasy (RG2009) - 53'16" (lp) / 72'30" (cd) "Conceived & selected by Philippe Renault Jr for the talented listeners!" it says. And indeed, volume 4 is once again lovely, bringing groovy Brazilian bossa-samba jazz by the likes of Adderley, Donato, Jobim, Mendes, Peterson or Wanderley, and by lesser-known acts such as os 6 em Ponto, G/9 Group, os Copa Vips, Quarteto Novo, Bossa Tres [= trčs groovy] or the Billy Mitchell Quintet. There's no _bomb_ here like there was on the first volume (Odell Brown & the Organizers' ****1/2 long workout of "Mas que nada"), but the album swings throughout with lesser-known titles or surprising covers of classic titles. As usual, the cd contains extra tracks: Donald Byrd's "(Canto) Bossa", Dave Pike's "Sausalito" and Stan Getz & Laurindo Almeida's version of "Corcovado". At least one more volume is projected in this Italian series which presents the perfect 'next step' for those who want to explore classic bossa nova & samba a bit further than the perennially obvious major label compilations allow them to (e.g. the ones on Verve)... though there's always still that sublime "Brazilian Beats" v/a compilation on Mr. Bongo (a second volume of which is to be released soon). (pv) (from the UZINE mailing list http://www.dma.be/p/ultra/ ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" Subject: RE: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:56:38 -0500 > I think employees at thrift stores pull out all the good stuff and the definition of good stuff has been expanded due to ebayazation. Now good stuff includes lots of exotica and soundtracks or just any cool cover. Really I believe that is why Elvis and the Beatles never appear in thrifts unless you go through the box that is dropped off before the thrift store employees do. There is no question about it. THe last used record salesman I spoke = with operates at a seasonal outdoor flea market. One batch he paid $50 for included over 20 Beatles and Elvis records which he *promptly* put up = on ebay. They never even made it to his *own* used bins. Others that he pulled out were some of our favorites, like Keely Smith, which got a = stiff price tag before goin into the bins. =20 I am convinced that the only good way left to get records is to go into = the antique business and scour through astate sales. =20 =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=20 Charlieman=20 "Everything that can be invented, has been invented." =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Charles H. Duell, 1899=A0 =A0=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Vinnie Bell and his "super electric" guitar Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:59:34 -0500 > That underwater sounds that Vincent Bell has on Moon gas, on "maid of > the moon" it sounds like he is saying "Hello" on it, I love that sound, > it makes the LP so wonderful. I have three records with him, Popgoes > the electric sitar and "greatest hits of" which is a reissue of an > earlier LP. It has that underwater sound too on some of the tracks. > Then there is the Airport love theme LP. Do I miss something else? The interview with Ferrante and Teicher on Luxuria.com this past Monday featured a track with Vinnie Bell that was great (I can't remember which one, maybe theme to Midnight Cowboy or Clockwork Orange?). Apparently he shows up on a lot of their stuff. By the way, thanks to Millionaire for that interview. Of course, having set aside that half-hour to listen, it would have to happen that two students stopped by "just to chat"--and this is Spring Break! I tried to be nice as I shooed them out of my office. I'm committed to my students, but some things take priority. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Umbrellas of Cherbourg / Demoiselles de Rochefort Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:06:59 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > citerar Moritz R : > > > Do you know "Les Demoiselles the Rochefort"? If not, you have to see = that too! > Is that also sung? Thanks, I was aware of it, now I regret not buying > the soundtracks, when seeing them before. yes, it's a musical too. But you've gotta SEE it. Catherine Deneuve plays= in it and her older sister Fran=E7oise Dorl=E9ac, who is even more beaut= iful, and who died in a car crash that same year the film was made. The d= irector filmed on location in a small village in France, but painted enti= re streets, so everything looks really bright and colorful. A highlight o= f European culture of the 20th century. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) LA Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:08:48 +0100 BARS (all in Los Feliz, Silverlake): Tiki Ti Good Luck Bar Dresden Room Big Foot Lodge Check out Stores near and further up from the Dresden Also: Mex Restaurants: Mexico City El Chavo's Polynesian: Daimon's in Glendale on Brand Blvd. Fleamarkets: Every 2nd Sunday at THE ROSEBOWL in Pasadena Every 1st Sunday at Pasadena City College, Huge Vinyl section on the side Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross Orr Subject: (exotica) Re: Musical Luddite Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:59:20 -0500 Steve wrote: > Techno music all >sounds the same to me. No personality or musical expression at >all. Just relentless, mindless grooves. [...] >I think that there will be a blow out when computers make it >possible for EVERYONE to crank out mindless synthesized dribble. I wonder if a bit of a backlash isn't underway already. . . A while back, a friend gave me a ticket to a Medeski, Martin & Wood show. Beforehand, I did not know a thing about them, other than that Medeski had played some Hammond with Marc Ribot. I had the impression they were brainy NYC jazzbos or something. I was a bit startled to arrive at the theater and discover a wild neo-deadhead pagan scene underway--where I was a good 20 years older than the average. The show started, and the entire crowd stood up in their seats and began dreamily nodding to the music, and stayed that way for the whole two hours. In terms of musicianship, M,M,W are very tight and unafraid to take things in quirky directions--but stylistically. . . Eep! It sounded like an early-70s flashback to me: Long R&B-ish jamming, meandering solos, etc. (Cool vintage keyboard sounds, though.) I was starting to freak out, thinking that I REALLY did not belong at this show--until the insight slapped me upside the head, that all the twentysomethings around me had grown up heard nothing but grunge, rap and techno. For them, a long meandering live solo was something novel and exciting. I immediately chilled out--and ended up rather enjoying the show, at least in the sense of being grateful to experience the whole scene. So there's one "anti-mechanical" group who has found a following. . . cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:21:37 +0100 "m.ace" schrieb: > You complain about Magnus dismissing machine music, but > then you dismiss live music as impractical and old fashioned. did I? > "Live music" on the other hand, always has an element of > danger, and even a ritual aspect. I can sign this statement... what's the point i this discussion? I'm certainly not arguing about personal taste. I think it's a pity if some dismisses anything new, just because computers were used to create it. To me this has nothing to do with the quality of the music, nor with craftmanship of the producers. Even old handplayed music can sound dull and soulless. the entire thread started with the explicit statements "music was better then than now" and someone had to disagree... Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday Date: 14 Mar 2001 10:19:36 -0500 >The older generations clearly win hands down on skill. Your points were true enough but I'm not sure this one completely is. Sure the cool thing about 50s/60s "easy listening" music was that much of it was made by skilled big band vets who kept it from pure schlock (at least sometimes). But classical music critics have been complaining for years that the general level of musical skill has increased to previously unimagined levels though at the expense of personality and imagination. There's enough recorded evidence to back them up (though there are some great descriptions of professional 19th century Italian orchestras so inept that they sound like the Portsmouth Sinfonia). Lately jazz critics and older musicians have made the same argument, saying that the numerous young musicians are technical demons but don't have much individuality. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Wayno" Subject: (exotica) Unexpected Tipsy encounter in Las Vegas Date: 14 Mar 2001 08:06:40 -0800 I recently spent a weekend in Las Vegas, and attended a Disney-fied topless revue called "Midnight Fantasies" at the Luxor Hotel (that monstrous glass pyramid thing). The show included an overbearing female singer (performing with prerecorded music), a lame impressionist and an even lamer comedian (who told tired "I hate airlines" jokes with the occasional cuss word thrown in for that "sophisticated" edge). Although the dancers were often sans-brassiere, they were less sexy than a random rerun of the June Taylor Dancers from the Jackie Gleason show. The music was a predictable mix of hits of the day: Madonna tunes, "Who Let The Dogs Out," one of any interchangable contemporary country numbers, etc. I was roused from my slumber when, near the end of the interminable hour, the sound system started blasting Tipsy's "Space Golf!" It sounded a bit different from the album version, so I'm guessing it must have been the single mix. This unexpected interlude only added to the surreal experience that is Las Vegas. Back on familiar turf, Wayno ***************************************************** Hand-crafted digital illustration by Wayno http://www.wayno.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: delicado@cheerful.com Subject: (exotica) Re: Vinnie Bell, DL Miller Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:09:53 -0500 (EST) D.L. Miller productions- I have a couple of interesting UK issue LPs by 'the super guitar of lightnin red' which are DL Miller productions. They are from the early 70s, and are self-conciously funky and twangy. They can get a bit much, but there are some great cuts ('caravan', 'america'). Some have a very vinnie-bell type sound, but I don't think the playing is good enough to be him. Regarding Vinnie Bell, I found the 'airport love theme' record recently and love it. I have his 1964 (?) LP'whistle stop' on Verve. It is an odd LP. Produced by Claus Ogerman, but to me sounds very rock'n'roll, 50s- influenced, as opposed to the great string sound I love in later albums Ogerman produced. Not really recommended. But I would like to recommend an extremely obscure Vinnie Bell recording, which I have harped on about intermittently for years. Credited as 'the exotic guitars' (but NOT the same 'exotic guitars' which later released several albums on Ranwood), Vinnie Bell contributes 4 self-written instrumental tracks to an early 60s budget label Platters LP on Guest Star records. Two of them are quite amazingly brilliant - one is a hawaiian-exotic cut and the other is a catchy uptempo latin-sounding number. This LP is by the Platters, and is called 'Only you'; it pops up on ebay now and then, and can generally be had for $2 or so. cheers, jonny (in nyc) Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Musical Luddite Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:15:11 -0500 on 3/14/01 9:59 AM, Ross Orr at mambofrenzy@earthlink.net wrote: > . . Eep! It sounded like an early-70s flashback to me: > Long R&B-ish jamming, meandering solos, etc. (Cool vintage keyboard > sounds, though.) > ......For them, a long meandering live solo was something novel > and exciting. > So there's one "anti-mechanical" group who has found a following. . . There's actually a very large following for this type of scene right now. A lot of these bands have played at the club I've been involved with and they continually sell out at around 300 patrons. This 'jam band' style comes out of the whole Grateful Dead/Phish phenomenon, but now stretches through the jazz of MM&W, the live techno of The New Deal, the trip hop/rap style of DJ Logic, the Zappa-jam sounds of Ike Willis, and more. The audience for this scene is young: 18-25, and very much fueled by Ecstasy, acid and weed (the bar sells very little liqour when these acts play, but lots of water and Red Bull) It's all pretty fusion sounding to me, too, and not to my taste. But it's true that these styles are popular with a crowd that was not alive (or in diapers) when they first appeared, just like styles in the rock sound (like punk, metal and noise rock) that keep reappearing with/for a new generation. But the audience for all these styles pales in comparison with the 2 most popular musical forms for young people today - hip hop and trance/progressive house, which are what really puts bodies in clubs right now. (here in Boston for example, Medeski Martin and Wood will sell out a 1500 capacity room, while Ministry of Sound DJ Judge Jules will sell out a 3000 capacity room, both at around $25 a ticket) Keep in mind I'm speaking only in terms of ticket sales/popularity and not artistic merit in all of the above. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) Re: Go ahead and post. Date: 13 Mar 2001 22:54:57 -0600 Manuel, I was a lurker for a long time..because I knew what I liked, but I knew NOTHING about it. These people are knowlegeable, they can answer ANY question you ask. It's great. I, too, would like to hear about Bogata. BTW, I am curious as to how people found this list...anyone care to respond? Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: E-Bay Dealers(again): "JAGCAR" Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:12:55 +0100 >From: Ben Waugh > She shipped it in a flimsy cardboard postal box. correct me if i'm wrong, listee eBay sellers should know this, but one eBay seller once told me "they get their LP boxes for free"... from eBay? i don't know, but this is what that seller wrote: "I PREFER A US MAILING. IT IS 4.00 PRIORITY AND WE GET THE BOXES FREE. OVERSEAS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR MATERIALS ..." maybe that explains that flimsy cardboard postal box? Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: every other Fred Waring album I've ever seen sucks Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:08:35 +0100 >Brad Bigelow wrote: >And I'll put in another plug for "Two Sides of Fred Waring." >Now ... every other Fred Waring album I've ever seen sucks, though. here's another -- well, sort of -- good one: Uncle Lumpey, with Fred Waring and the Pennsylvanians: "The Adventures of Little Orley in story and song" LP, Vocalion VL 73737 simulated stereo, USA, 1960s Great kiddie record: wacky stories with lots of funny sounds, (and good backing music, if i remember well) Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert McKenna" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:23:22 >But classical music critics have been complaining for years that the >general level of musical skill has increased to previously unimagined >levels though at the expense of personality and imagination.> So why do I keep hearing mistakes and shoddy timing? Not to mention orchestra members playing electroacoustic music being too arrogant to realise that they are responsible for the sound produced and therefore should really do proper soundchecks... Frank Zappa was disgusted with the lack of professionalism he encountered in chamber orchestras, obviously he didn't have that problem with Pierre Boulez led orchestras. Also anyone who has tried to play pop music with classical musicians will be aware of how comically inept they can be if they don't have dots on paper in front of them. snotilly, rob _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Butterfly Joe in Baltimore Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:28:13 -0500 Butterfly Joe is playing Baltimore this Friday night. The secret love-child of Lee Hazlewood and Jonathan Richman. Or is that Jimmy Webb and Daniel Johnston? At The Otto Bar, 203 Davis St., Baltimore MD Phone: 410-752-6886 They are not the headliners and don't yet know who else is on the bill. Ain't life grand. m.ace mace@ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Bigelow Subject: (exotica) Don't Get me Started on Vocal Groups .... Date: 14 Mar 2001 12:48:55 -0600 Double Six of Paris -- five stars, especially their Ray Charles album! Anything Christiane Legrand (Michel's sister) was involved in is worth checking out: Les Blue Stars (pre Double 6)--just got the "Jazz in Paris" CD from Dusty Groove. Four cuts with Christiane and Blossom Dearie. Swingle Singers (post-Double 6)--although a little bit goes a long way Quire--very hard to find but worth it Scandinavian groups: The Gimmicks--imitation Sergio Mendes/Brasil 66 to my ears, but at least there are tunes SM/B66 didn't do Gals and Pals--sorta Double 6 like, but they also have a fine Bacharach album The Monn Keys--rare "Dreamsville" LP on Omega Latin: The Brothers Castro--2 Lps on Capitol, "Latin and Hip" is a serious vocal jazz classic, with Walter Castro's beautiful tenor The Amigos (also listed as "The Four Amigos") Los Vegas and this just in, Los Zafiros, a Cuban doo-wop/vocal jazz group with a compilation CD out on Nonesuch ("Bossa Cubana") US: The Skipjacks (with a young Stella Stevens)--backed up Esquivel on his Christmas half-LP The Signatures--led by Bob Alcivar, who did a huge chunk of vocal arrangement work in the 60s The Hal Dickinson Singers (actually the Pied Pipers under an alias)--nice LP on Philips with Johnny Hamlin Dave Pell--Jazz Voice in Video on Liberty, sampled in the Ultra Lounge series The Smart Set on Warner Brothers The Axidentals--with Kai Winding on ABC The John La Salle Quartet--with Marlene ver Planck--also found on Ultra Lounge The Bill Gannon 3--anyone remember him from "What's My Line?" Group I--Great, great, great LP of Mancini covers--"The Brothers Go to Mothers--and Others!" The Eligibles--I think these guys were the real inspiration for the musical revue, "The Four Plaids" Alan Copeland Singers--remembered from the Red Skelton Show (anyone? anyone?) Singers Unlimited, of course, but for me, like the Swingles, best in small doses and many, many more ... Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: E-Bay Dealers(again): "JAGCAR" Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:54:25 -0500 The U.S Postal Service provides free mailing supplies (boxes, labels, tape, etc.) for its Priority Mail Service ($3.50 for up to 1 lb., $3.95 for up to 2 lbs.) This service can only be used within the United States. The Priority Mail boxes can be used for safely shipping record albums, but they require special preparation and additional padding/cushioning for the records. Basically, the large-size box is left unassembled and flat, the albums are wrapped in several layers of paper or bubble wrap, and pieces of corrugated cardboard are added as stiffeners and additional impact protection. The album is inserted into the flat package, the end flaps are securely taped, and the entire package ends up resembling a large flat cardboard sandwich, with the record safely between the slices of cardboard. If done correctly, these packages can be just as safe as custom LP mailer cartons, if not more so. You cannot just jam an album into an assembled box and expect it to arrive without damage. Regards, Larry -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:13 AM correct me if i'm wrong, listee eBay sellers should know this, but one eBay seller once told me "they get their LP boxes for free"... from eBay? i don't know, but this is what that seller wrote: "I PREFER A US MAILING. IT IS 4.00 PRIORITY AND WE GET THE BOXES FREE. OVERSEAS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR MATERIALS ..." maybe that explains that flimsy cardboard postal box? Johan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:59:45 -0500 >Also anyone who has tried to play pop music with classical musicians will >be aware of how comically inept they can be if they don't have dots on >paper in front of them. ...and if they do? Listen to the wonderfully ham-fisted "Slide, Boy, Slide" on the original "House of Flowers". It swings with the ease of Pat Boone covering Lambert, Hendricks or Ross. Actually, on the Schickele Mix, he played two versions of "Single Petal of a Rose" and asked which was the classical musician and which was Duke Ellington and it was quite obvious. Ellington has the perhaps unfair advantage of interpreting his own work, but the other version sounded like an etude; almost no emotion at all. Musicians if they do their homework and have the talent, should be able to play anything. For example, Johnny Otis is Greek by descent, but he decided to play Jazz and Rhythm and Blues and does so quite well, but he did his homework. That cat was going "do-do-dweee, shooby...", Brian Phillips, not yet a wholly owned subsidiary of Ken Burns Worldwide # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!....... Date: 14 Mar 2001 10:53:18 -0800 on 3/5/01 11:18 AM, Nathan Miner at nminer@jhmi.edu wrote: Well, I listen to Lenny Dee when I do the dishes. Its "normal" to me. And, a funny note, I used to hate Lenny Dee when I was little and my parents played it. I even went so far as to take my dad's label maker (remember those old red labels with the raised white type?) and wrote "Bad Music" and put it on the LP that I now own. I guess I have grown up to see the light. christine > > And there I sat writing bills acting like this was "normal" music - ah, I'm > lost I tell ya.......!! :-) > > - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:19:34 -0500 > > You complain about Magnus dismissing machine music, but > > then you dismiss live music as impractical and old fashioned. > >did I? Well, that was the implication I took from: >I don't see a great value in spending years of your life just to >be able to play a drum set as straight as a computer. >According to this thinking, the use of a washing machine >would be a bad thing. But if that wasn't what you meant, never mind. (Of course, a drummer working with that sole goal would be wrong. The idea is more to achieve precision so that you can then play around with time.) >what's the point in this discussion? Uuuuh, I think it's the usual exoticalist drift. ^_- We start off at Point A and wind up at Point .39148378 --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) The crackling sound from a contracting aluminium dome Date: 14 Mar 2001 20:23:25 +0100 (CET) It says on the backcover on Taboo vol 2 that the odd noises you hear on some tracks on the album are noises from the dome itself when the sun sets and the metal contracts due to the lesser heat. I can hear odd sounds on Hi Lili Hi LO, is it it? To me it sounds like tiki is commenting the current 'masterpiece in progress' in person. What a great album, just got my own copy today. I am a huge fan of Arthur Lyman. To know that he just some weeks ago according to Kevin, performed Love Dance (which is featured on this album) makes it even more fascinating. -----------Go Buzz!------------ http://www.bellybongo.com/gobuzz/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!....... Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:34:55 -0500 > From: Christine Karkow > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:53:18 -0800 > To: exotica@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!....... > > on 3/5/01 11:18 AM, Nathan Miner at nminer@jhmi.edu wrote: > Well, I listen to Lenny Dee when I do the dishes. Its "normal" to me. And, > a funny note, I used to hate Lenny Dee when I was little and my parents > played it. I even went so far as to take my dad's label maker (remember > those old red labels with the raised white type?) and wrote "Bad Music" and > put it on the LP that I now own. I guess I have grown up to see the light. > > christine >> >> And there I sat writing bills acting like this was "normal" music - ah, I'm >> lost I tell ya.......!! :-) >> >> - Nate I'm glad to see the subject of Lenny Dee come up--he's just such a bizarre figure. "My Favorite Things" was one of the first albums of his that I bought, and it's still one of my favorites. But it was in that period of transition to watered-down electronic versions of current pop. I don't particularly like "Easy Come, Easy Go" or the other late albums, but the early stuff is incomparable. The biography of him at Space Age Pop (which doesn't seem to be up at the moment?) is nice, but I'd love to read a full-length book on him. It's not that I like him more than other artists. In fact, I often find his off-the-wall takes on tunes (especially the various "Rags") hard to listen to. But there just doesn't seem to be anybody at all like him. I've read in several places that he had his own restaurant in Florida (St. Pete?)--is it long gone? Did anybody on the list ever visit it? I saw that Lenny wrote the foreword to a book on album covers, so I take it he's still kicking? If Lenny Dee works well for washing dishes and paying bills, I wonder how he'll be for grading papers--guess I'll give it a try. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Demoiselles de Rochefort (spoiler) Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:45:23 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moritz R > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 7:07 AM > yes, it's a musical too. But you've gotta SEE it. Catherine > Deneuve plays in it and her older sister Fran=E7oise Dorl=E9ac, who > is even more beautiful, and who died in a car crash that same > year the film was made. I've never really liked musicals, but both Demy films (and "Singin' in th= e Rain") are testimonies to the sheer joy of filmmaking (and song, and danc= e, and music -- that Legrand's a genius). Any recommendations to add to thos= e three? I have a quick question about the film. (Don't read below if you don't wa= nt to spoil the movie!) s p o i l e r s p a c e h e r e What happens at the end? Did Demy mean for the couple to miss each other again, though in a less cosmic sense than they do at the end of Les Parapluies? Wonderful film, but I feel a bit cheated of a teary cathartic moment. =3D= ) Especially after all those near misses! Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Re: E-Bay Dealers(again): Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:56:26 -0500 "Usselman, Lawrence J" wrote: If done correctly, these packages can be just as safe as custom LP mailer cartons, if not more so. You cannot just jam an album into an assembled box and expect it to arrive without damage. =============== Yeah, one would think, but... I arrived home yesterday to find a USPO Priority box containing my first eBay LP (CK, it's the Arpia vol.4). The box looked like it had been stepped on and came completely wrapped in plastic. When I removed the plastic I realized this was because the box was soaking wet. Yep, they managed to drop it in water and then seal the water in! Fortunately the record itself was wrapped in plastic bubble wrap and the box filled with shredded paper. Miraculously, the LP arrived intact and with no evidence of the adventure the box had gone through. Amazing though, huh?! lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Hall Subject: (exotica) RE: Musical Luddite Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:56:47 -0500 bigshot@spumco.com wrote: >I think that there will be a blow out when computers make it >possible for EVERYONE to crank out mindless synthesized dribble. >Then the musicians who make this stuff will see that they don't >have an corner on the market for E-Z to create synth-drones and >beat in a box rhythms. This will be force them to return to >*being able to play instruments well*. > >The sessions guys who made the percussion records of the fifties >were 100 times the musicians of the people making similar sounding >stuff today. And these guys were just *average* for their time! >Kenny G gets a world record for the longest sustained note... Who >cares? Louis Armstrong could chop or squeeze a note an make it >sing. Expressiveness and craftsmanship aren't dead. They are just >sleeping it off. > >I'm with you on this one, Magnus... >See ya >Steve > I'm kinda with you, but as far as musicians being forced to "play instruments well," at a certain point you get into... the "Steve Vai Problem" (or Sanborn, Toto, etc...). There are TONS of remarkable & worthy musicians around and about these days, still-active greats like Mose Allison, Paul Motian, Jimmy Smith, Plas Johnson, Max Roach; Caetano Veloso is doing some of his best work, & I'm enjoying Dave Douglas, Bill Frisell, Beck, Laika & the Cosmonauts, Latin Playboys, Junior Brown, a slew of Japanese stuff that I haven't the $$ to keep track of... You're just not as likely to hear it on the radio. What you are likely to hear are, on the one hand, a lot of one-hit wonders that are essentially Cute Young Things dropped into production-house tracks & digitally harmonized into acceptable pitch-accuracy, & tired hard-guy rock boys with drop-tuned guitars & a couple sampled gestures towards modernity... there's more, but you know what I'm saying. I guess I ultimately find no inherent problem with drum machines & such, tho the ubiquity of the "perfect" beat aesthetic (sequencing, quantizing etc) gets annoying like everything does when I hear it too much. Still, fake strings & various machines can certainly help to get a decent sound for cheap when you have an idea in your head & no other means. And the same attempts at faking a sound have in the past given us the mellotron, analog synthesis, & even the kind of homegrown phony "world" music that drew many of us to this list. Often despised in their time, a lot of these sounds take on an "otherness" when removed from it & the things they attempted to replicate. I also think there are at least as many great percussionists around today as back then, mostly in the latin world as I can see. & God love Harry Breuer, but he also got more money, play, etc than Patato Valdes, Chaino Pozo, etc. The stuff that makes me crazy is the tendancy towards Extremely Huge Sounds that play on an acoustic "realism" that does not exist in nature; that sense of implied grandeur, profundity & lack of human scale that to my ears unites the Peter Gabriels (who I quite liked in the day) & John Teshes of the world tend to leave me (& their own content) behind. Given the fact that just about every situation you can name is equipped with some sort of soundtrack (from tv shows, shopping malls, subways, advertisements, etc) it makes sense that the manner in which music is used has evolved in all kinds of ways, many of them at the very least non-aesthetic (read as "sucky"). & this reflects on how & why music is created. Still, I think creative music will always find a way. I saw trumpeter Dave Douglas for the first time with John Zorn's Masada some years years ago, & he was doing all kinds of extraordinary & unexpected things, all with a amazing sense of history that would make Wynton... uh, probably turn to Stanley & mumble something about gumbo. I realize that this is turning into one of those unwieldy & unfocused screeds that does not resolve to a point, but... in addition to Shutting Up now... I'd also say, re the "baggage" issue, that while I seldom have time to contribute to the more thoughtful threads, the posts which frame opinions in passionate, possibly windy & likely quixotic terms are one of the things I most look forward to here. gh # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Songwriting Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:30:33 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >I'd say that another lamentable loss is the disappearance of >the songwriter. No more are the Cole Porters, Irving Berlins, Jerome Kerns, >etc. Everybody's got to be their own songwriter, and frankly, VERY few of >them even approach genuine skill in that category. Strangely enough, the Beatles are to blame for this. They were *great* songwriters, and absolute geniuses when it came to musicality. They had a firm basis in early rock n' roll. But as musicians, they were just passable. No great shakes. All the bands that followed the Beatles saw was that "passable musicians" could become a worldwide success on an unprecidented level without ever really having to play live. These medicore amateur musicians wanted to become Beatles too, but they only had a tiny iota of the musicality and songwriting ability that the Beatles had. They didn't let that didn't stop them. These lame-ass wannabe Beatles wrote their own lame-ass songs, goofed around with overdubbing and sound effects to appeal to the drug crowd, hired trippy illustrators to do their album covers and named themselves Pink Floyd, Yes and ELO. The Beatles were great, but they were a *terrible* example for others to follow. "Art Rock" is neither art nor rock. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:30:35 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:51:49 -0500 >From: "m.ace" >Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music > >"Fabricated" pieces of >music are inert objects, like paintings or sculptures. This is not a point >for dismissal... Any good artist will tell you that the act of creation is NOT fabrication, but *performance*. It's a spontaneous expression made possible by years of concentrated study of technique. Paintings and sculptures are no different from Dizzy Gillespie standing on stage at Birdland improvising. The medium may be different, but the creative process is the same. Removing spontaneous expression and mastry of technique from either music or art reduces it to a cheap manufacturing process, not a creative one. "Fabricated" music is about as valuable as those production line "sofa sized oil paintings" you see lined up against the wall at the gas station. I find no problem at all with dismissing it out of hand. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) RE: Musical Luddite Date: 14 Mar 2001 22:27:30 +0100 (CET) citerar George Hall : I'd also say, re the "baggage" issue, that while I seldom have time > to contribute to the more thoughtful threads, the posts which frame > opinions > in passionate, possibly windy & likely quixotic terms are one of the things > I most look forward to here. > gh You got a place in my heart George! A very thoughtful post, I actually tend to forget that many of the heroes of the past is still alive today and makes just as good music. I can see my enemy of today: Producers! Money! Digital dehumanization! Wrong kind of drugs! Cute teenagers! Its a holy mission! Why are the elderly so silent! It is their right to hear decent music on the radio. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: E-Bay Dealers(again): "JAGCAR" Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:59:50 -0800 (PST) I suspect that the individual you are quoting meant that he or she gets the boxes free of charge. I suspect everyone else pays for their boxes or, like myself, simply recycles the more secure and lp-friendly boxes accumulated over time. I do not agree with Larry that the flat postal boxes (or any postal boxes, for that matter) are as secure as lp mailers or even a cut-down cardboard box. The flat mailers are sealed by strong adhesive. If the lp is unprotected, as mine was, there is damage (I've had several shipments where the lp had slid out of the jacket and become stuck fast). These boxes do not fit securely around the lp. They leave room for shifting. If someone is charging $5 for S/H (domestic US), which is exorbitant, they had better devote the entirety of it to securing the item shipped. That means using a box cut to fit an lp. --- Johan Dada Vis wrote: > correct me if i'm wrong, listee eBay sellers should > know > this, but one eBay seller once told me "they get > their LP boxes for > free"... from eBay? i don't know, but this is what > that seller wrote: > "I PREFER A US MAILING. IT IS 4.00 PRIORITY AND WE > GET THE BOXES FREE. > OVERSEAS YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR MATERIALS ..." > > maybe that explains that flimsy cardboard postal > box? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Recent Finds... Date: 14 Mar 2001 17:07:08 -0500 At 12:26 AM 3/14/01 -0700, kendoll wrote: > > the really great thing was that in this collection of real dylan >records was a an easy listening record of dylan covers by the golden >gate strings. as it turns >out, the only record in the lot i ever listen to is the one by the >golden gate strings Yeah I like that record a lot myself. I've always wondered how they got permission to put that big Dylan head on the cover. My favorite tune on it is Subterranean Homesick Blues. Having said that, it's too bad the actual Dylan records didn't turn you on to Dylan. You can't argue taste, nor can you force someone to like what they don't like. And if you don't like him, then words like "important", "influential", and "essential" won't matter to you. But personally I can't imagine my life without Dylan's music. I hardly ever listen to him but the other day at the record store, someone was playing one of these Dylan bootlegs, of which a whole series has been released. And I just stood there in the store for about an hour listening to it. I didn't really want to buy it - partly because it was a three volume set - but I couldn't stop listening to it. It's too bad you missed Dylan. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Re: Recent finds... Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:47:20 -0800 >There is something about seeing an almost complete >collection in one location >that speaks to me. I was willing to pay $15 for 10 >Streisand LPs in one whole >bunch, but I would have never considered paying $1.50 >on ten different trips for >10 different Streisand LPs. It might have to do with >a laziness factor .... by >purchasing the entire group at once, you don't have >to worry about the 'Now which >of these LPs do I already own?' I bought almost my entire Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass collection in one day in thrifts in Akron. Nothing like lugging home 11 records all by one artist for under $11. And yes it was worth it. Still don't have the X-Mas album though. Looked at a CD of it this last December and thought about it, but then it didn't seem right not to have it on vinyl. Mr. Unlucky --- Mr. Unlucky presents Shoot To Kill, a weekly set of jazz, soundtrack music, Now Sound, and the occasional foray into international territory on Supersphere.com, Thursdays 1-2 p.m. (CST). Many past sets are archived for future listening pleasure. http://www.supersphere.com Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Lenny Dee WILD MAN! Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:42:44 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:34:55 -0500 >From: Clayton Black >Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!....... > >I'm glad to see the subject of Lenny Dee come up--he's just such a bizarre >figure. "My Favorite Things" was one of the first albums of his that I >bought, and it's still one of my favorites. But it was in that period of >transition to watered-down electronic versions of current pop. Here is another example of an artist who was MUCH better before the LP era. Check out this red hot organ playing... http://www.spumco.com/mp3/plantationboogie.mp3 Does anyone know of any other Dee records like this one? I found this in a batch of 78s I got for a quarter apiece and it's one of my favorites. The record isn't all that clean, but it doesn't matter when the performance grabs you by the throat like this. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Cheating the Listener Date: 14 Mar 2001 14:42:45 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: > >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:56:47 -0500 >From: George Hall >Subject: (exotica) RE: Musical Luddite > >Still, fake strings & >various machines can certainly help to get a decent sound for >cheap when you have an idea in your head & no other means. I steadfastly refuse to accept that. With old music I don't have to settle for half a loaf. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Musical Luddite Date: 14 Mar 2001 17:38:11 -0500 At 09:59 AM 3/14/01 -0500, Ross Orr wrote: > >A while back, a friend gave me a ticket to a Medeski, Martin & Wood >show. Beforehand, I did not know a thing about them, other than that >Medeski had played some Hammond with Marc Ribot. I had the impression >they were brainy NYC jazzbos or something. > >I was a bit startled to arrive at the theater and discover a wild >neo-deadhead pagan scene underway--where I was a good 20 years older >than the average That's a funny phenomenon, ain't it? I don't just mean showing up at a concert where you're 20 years older than everyone. That's something you just have to decide you're going to do. Or not. If you're TOO self-conscious about it - which I sometimes am - then you just stay home more often than not. But anyway I'm talking about this Deadhead thing. I'm not really all that surprised to find out that Medeski et al, appeal to the Deadhead crowd. I must have missed Moritz saying anything about live music being "dead". There's this donut shop near me. Actually right now it's more of an upscale dessert and coffee place. But there's something about the location that is cursed. For some reason, even though it's smack in the middle of a very cool, kind of upscale yuppie neighbourhood, this location in all its incarnations, has always attracted the tired, hungry and unwashed. Anyway for some God-knows-what reason, they have music there. Open mike nights, old folky stuff, all very low key. Last time I was there just to take a load off, there was this duo "onstage" (there is no stage). There was a guy singing and playing guitar and a guy playing bass. The singer was kind of dusty and sang in an old fashioned, flat uninflected style. (For you Canadians, he sang like Stompin Tom. For you Americans, old Johnny Cash). The bass player must have been some slumming jazzbo because he was playing twenty notes for every chord the guitar player played. The singer is mumbling his way through "Folsom Prison" and the bass player is doing his Jaco Pastorius imitation. And yet it kind of worked. How can you argue with live music when you can experience stuff like that? I'm not about to go to a Deadhead-style concert but you can't experience that kind of ritual on a record at home alone. Then again, Yanni and John Tesh also play for Deadhead-like fans. This post was a mess, I know. Kind of Deadheadish. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Lenny and Fausto at the disco Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:07:00 -0500 At 02:34 PM 3/14/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote: > >I'm glad to see the subject of Lenny Dee come up--he's just such a bizarre >figure. ". I don't particularly like "Easy Come, Easy Go" or the other late albums, but the early stuff is incomparable. Well let me put in a vote for the late stuff. The later the better. I particularly like the disco period, for instance his version of "Love Train". It's true that on the early records, Lenny generally played a more fancy, energetic organ style. And on principle, I always think that fancy fast-fingered organ playing is more interesting than the more lazy style. It's almost like the organ was created for that kind of nimble-fingered soloing. But after buying a half dozen of those early Lenny records, with their great covers and titles (DEE-Facto is one of my favorites followed closely by "Lenny Dee-stroys his organ"), I got tired of the relentless happy bouncy polka-like rhythms. I love the tune "Cotton Walk" but I can't take too much of that kind of stuff. On the other hand, I can't get enough of the later stuff. I wish I had the language to talk about stuff like this. But I often find myself choosing the apparently-boring muzak over the more fancy stuff. For instance I made a CDR of Fausto Pepetti records, some of which feature a similar kind of faux-disco rhythm as those later Lenny records. And obviously I love it (or I wouldn't mention it) I have two Lenny Dee CDR's. One with the fancy nimble fingered stuff, one with the other stuff I prefer. I'm going to include the playlist on a separate post. Don't ask me why. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Eno vs Billie Holiday Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:12:14 -0500 At 12:40 AM 3/14/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: > But Brian Eno ain't no Duke Ellington and >Kraftwerk can't hold a candle to Nelson Riddle. It's like the difference >between an ice cube and a roaring flame. Which one is the ice cube and which the roaring flame? I think I prefer the ice cube. I hope the ice cube was Nelson Riddle. But I like Kraftwerk too. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Watching Lenny Die Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:13:48 -0500 Here's that playlist I promised (God knows why) WATCHING LENNY DEE 1. Downtown 16. Snowbird 2. Taste of honey 17. One less bell 3. Everybody's talkin 18. How can you mend...? 4. Odd Couple 19. Superstar 5. Hang em high 20.The night they drove Ole Dixie 6. Raindrops keep fallin 21. Where is the love? 7. Folsom Prison Blues 22. Brandy 8. Unchained melody 23. Sealed with a kiss 9. Hurt so bad 24. Love will keep us together 10. Spinnin Wheel 25. How sweet it is.. 11. Odds n ends 26. Rose Garden 12. Traces 27. At seventeen 13. This guy's in love 28. Watching Scotty Grow 14. Wichita Lineman 15. Ruby don't take your love to town # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) The Problem with people who have a problem with Machines Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:36:16 -0500 At 12:40 AM 3/14/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: > >When I hear a song based on a sampled riff, it only makes me want >to hear the source material. The creativity of chopping up someone >else's work and slapping your own name on it is lost on me. It's >musical vampirism as far as I'm concerned. I want to say "That's silly" but I won't. A few weeks ago, a friend of mine played me some tune, I think it was by Tony Mottola. But it was definitely some fairly familiar Command/Project 3 artist or someone like that. The reason he was playing it was because the opening riff of the tune was "sampled" and used as the opening riff of a very familiar tune by, I think, Tipsy. (If you know what i'm talking about here, please reply) It's a cool riff. In the original it leads to a nice arrangement of some tune which I can't remember. But let's say it was a Bacharach tune. The people that sampled it used it as an opening riff and went in an entirely different direction. They're both good. If someone hears a tune with lots of samples and says "Gee I'd like to hear some of the original tunes that were sampled", then I can understand that. It's fun to find those original samples... though I must say that the vast majority of samples just fly by me without me knowing I just heard a "sample". But when someone says "I would PREFER to hear the original tune", I find that just bizarre. And highly suspicious too. First of all, a lot of this sample-based music uses music that a lot of us would actually hate if we were to listen to the originals. But second of all, they're just two different things entirely. To say I just want to hear the original, to me, is as stupid as saying "Oh when I see a collage, it just makes me want to see the original magazine article that the photos were cut out of" Maybe stupid is too strong a word. How about nonsensical? This is what I was talking about when I originally talked about philosophical or aesthetic choices as opposed to "musical" choices. IF you don't like the genre of music that often features sampling, so be it. But it seems to me that you're saying " I don't like this music because I philosophically oppose the very concept of sampling". To which I can only ask "On what basis"? Is it because you philosophically oppose the use of computers in the making of music? If so, you better kill yourself now. It's only going to get more unbearable for you. I'll leave it to others more musically educated than me to argue for the legitimacy of sample-based music. Myself I just like what I like and I really could not give a rat's ass HOW it was made. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) RE: Musical Luddite Date: 14 Mar 2001 17:37:58 -0600 Mag wrote: Why are the elderly so silent! It is their right to hear decent music on the radio. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Uh...how old is elderly? I'm thinkin' I'm the oldest one one the list and it's kinda scaring me..... Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton.Black@washcoll.edu (Clayton Black) Subject: Re: (exotica) Lenny and Fausto at the disco Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:55:27 EST --- You wrote: by "Lenny Dee-stroys his organ"), I got tired of the relentless = happy bouncy polka-like rhythms. I love the tune "Cotton Walk" but I can't take too much of that = kind of stuff. On the other hand, I can't get enough of the later stuff. I wish I had the language to talk about stuff like this. --- end of quote --- Your language is perfect for this. I had great difficulty myself = coming up with a description, precisely because I was unable to = come up with "relentless happy bouncy polka-like rhythms." Bravo. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Musical Luddite Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:57:40 -0800 At 10:09 PM 13-03-01 -0800, Paul Penna wrote: >I have a particular thing for minor-label knock-off big >band & percussion albums. For example, "Perspectives in Percussion," two >volumes, recorded by D.L. Miller There was actually a third volume called Motion in Percussion, recorded October 1960 and directed by D.L. Miller with the Hollywood "Pops" Orchestra and conducted by Robert Lowden (not Skip Martin as the other two were), Sonic Workship Project No. 0100. Same sort of stuff...I consider this album together with the other two because it has many of the same people involved. This is the one with the changing display on the front cover (what do they call that, venticular?). I see it now and then on ebay. I got mine on ebay with no competition...probably because they didn't have a picture of it. Byron ___...--''''***^^^^^^""""""^^^^^***''''---___ "In the 50's the average human laughed 18 ||| minutes a day. In 2001 each human laughs only 6 minutes a day. Its time to return to our | 1950's laugh prosperity!" ||| ||| ---Byron "Chuckles" Caloz ||| |||bag AT hubris DOT net Portland, OR, USA||| """^^^'''***----...__________...----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Lenny Dee WILD MAN! Date: 14 Mar 2001 20:09:15 EST In a message dated 3/14/01 2:36:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, bigshot@spumco.com writes: << Here is another example of an artist who was MUCH better before the LP era. Check out this red hot organ playing... >> are there ANY good CD out with some of Lenny's music? or does anybody have some for trade, etc.? tb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) Electronic music Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:01:15 -0800 Maye people that complain about electronic music should take a listen to the more experimental stuff out there... I have heard really good things, adventurous, imaginative, talented, funny, smart... OK... maybe it can not be put on some kind of pedestal to be worshipped as is the case with those 'squeezed Louis Armstrong notes' but so what? It's music. It makes people feel things. Maybe it doesn't make you feel jelous of the guy playing the guitar or in awe of him, but then those are things that distract you from the music itself. If the problem you are having is with trance music, there are several electronic genres that are very different from that repetitive beat. Try people like Mouse on Mars, Marumari, To Rococo Rot, Schlammpeitziger... Or Isolée, Rinocerose and Pluxus. Or downbeat (Thievery Corporation, Howie B., etc.) Possibly this whole discussion is more than about music. It is also about curiosity. And some people seem to be able only to feel curiosity for things made by dead people. And that seems a little strange to me. Would you prefer to know how the world used to be than to know how it is now? I'm sure there are very reassuring things if you take that path... And that can also be a way of taking refuge of the chaos of the present. But personally I think that's what's so fascinating about living in this time. Anyway... I'll try to look for something exotica related here in Bogota and tell you about it... Cheers, Manuel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: (exotica) Lenticular rekkids Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:08:42 -0800 >>>This is the one with the changing display on the front cover (what do they call that, venticular?). Close - LENticular. I have "Swingin' with Prince Igor" Project #200. Same deal on the cover: Lenticular "Swingin." I really prize my few lenticular album covers - especially the one by the singing hypnotist who's name escapes me at the moment. It's a spooky eye that follows you 'round the room. Anybody else care to share theirs? Ron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoyGBivIM@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Back in a trading mood Date: 14 Mar 2001 21:32:40 EST I haven't posted in 9 months, but I thought I'd pop in just to see if anyone is interested in hearing any music. I've currently got about 550 albums/CDs some are my own but the majority have come from the kind folks on this list. I've converted them to highest quality mp3s. If anyone wants to listen to something (mp3s only) just stop by my house, bring cookies. If you can't make it by the house maybe we can work something out. Drop me a line. Later, Roy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad Bigelow Subject: (exotica) Space Age Pop is very much on line Date: 14 Mar 2001 16:31:34 -0600 The Space Age Pop site is still on line and will be for years to come. It's *moved*, however, to its own URL: www.spaceagepop.com The old pages are still available at home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop, but they'll redirect you to the new home page. Brad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 22:42:53 -0500 At 01:30 PM 3/14/2001, bigshot wrote: > >From: "m.ace" > > > >"Fabricated" pieces of > >music are inert objects, like paintings or sculptures. This is not a point > >for dismissal... > >Any good artist will tell you that the act of creation is NOT fabrication, >but *performance*. It's a spontaneous expression made possible by years >of concentrated study of technique. Paintings and sculptures are no >different from Dizzy Gillespie standing on stage at Birdland improvising. >The medium may be different, but the creative process is the same. Now it was my turn to be misinterpreted. Yes, yes, the creative process is all in the family, but when a painting, a sculpture, or an audio piece that is only possible as a recording is *completed*, it is an object. On the other hand, a performable musical piece (or theater or dance) has a different sort of life as an ongoing process (and yes, any of those can be recorded and also exist as an fixed object). I think one thing that has missed clarification here, and maybe he can confirm... I *think* maybe the stuff that's been driving Magnus crazy is mainstream techno? The really generic stuff? No? Yes? --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) Re: Re: finer with age? Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:47:58 -0600 tb wrote: so now i am curious, how old are you? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ok...now I KNOW I am the oldest on this list...I'm (gulp) *51* But I'm young at heart...and all that crap. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: (exotica) Disney and tiki Date: 14 Mar 2001 22:51:00 -0500 > Would you prefer to know how the world used to be than to know how it is now? > I'm sure there are very reassuring things if you take that path... Interestingly enough, I read this post after returning home for a opening lecture/reception at D.C's National Building Museum for an exhibit titled "Designing Disney's Theme Parks - the Architecture of Reassurance" Overall it is a good exhibit - lots of drawings and scale models for some of the original Disney parks from the 1950's era. This era pretty much coincides with the era that much of the mainstream exotica music was produced. .... one can see definite links between Martin Denny creating albums with different global musical themes with Disney's Themepark with different 'themes' showing different types of neighborhoods - the adventureland, the fantsayland, and the tomorrowlands. It was interesting to hear a lecture from an architectural viewpoint -- and hear new things - like one of the purposes of the steam train that circles the original park. It sits on a tall earthen berm, which prevents people inside the park from looking outside and seeing the everyday surburban sprawl. This exhibit had one very bittersweet item displayed - one of the original animatronic birds from the Enchanted Tiki Room. It was nice to see the bird still working and moving, but it seems so wrong to see it displayed in a plexiglass box on a pedestal in a museum display, without all the accompanying tiki decor around it. (I pondered whether this would be the same fate as some of the tiki items from the Kahiki restaurant) The wall displays had some of the original drawings for the tiki room display, included a sign that says the attraction requires an 'E' ticket -- on a range from 'A' to 'E', 'E' tickets were for the best exhibits. The animatronics were so novel and so new when they first appeared - you needed the best ticket to see it, but as the years progressed, the required ticket required went lower and lower. It's been a while since someone posted a link to the friends of the enchanted tiki room, so I thought I'd provide it here. http://www.geocities.com/disneyguy55/friendsoftiki.html I'll close with an excerpt from the Disney exhibit book .... "The history of Disneyland makes it abundantly clear that Walt Disney saw the park as an alternative to things he didn't like about L.A., including automobility, suburban sameness, and the lack of a memorable civic center. But there were things he liked very much about the city and intensified within the confines of the berm. Fantasy buildings, shaped like derby hats and hot dogs, that suggested what a malleable, pictorial medium architecture could be. " Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 21:01:49 -0500 Magnus wrote: > I dont hate the computer!!!! I just dont like mechanical music. It seems that I > cant make myself clear at all. Here's one to confuse things even more. One of my favourite recordings is made up of just that... Well not exactly... Actually Pierre Bastien's "Musiques machinales" is recordings composed of layered loops which he plays (or should I say sets in motion) using mechanized instruments which he designs and builds. It resembles some kind of victorian workbench creation in appearance but African in sound. >I AM EXPOSED TO CRAP!!!!!!!! >when I leave the house. Or on TV, radio etc. Magnus, you should be thankful you don't live in our (North American) part of the world. Sure you can get records cheap, but it's much harder to shut the crap out! I know as I go to great pains to do so myself and it takes serious effort and committment! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Disappearing Records Date: 14 Mar 2001 21:43:55 -0500 Chuck wrote: > I think employees at thrift stores pull out all the good stuff and > the definition of good stuff has been expanded due to ebayazation. I remember being shocked to find by accident on a web search that Value Village, a "chain" thrift store is in the very business of selling rare records. It was their own website that shouted this out! This means the store is actually picking through the take before they put anything out for the public in their stores and in fact the website implied they didn't stop this practice with records. Not so reprehensible if its a genuine charity but Value Village is a for profit corporation! > Really, Herb Alpert's Whipped Cream has even disappeared from the > thrifts down here. Almost the same here but as I noted we're positively drowning in Lucien Hetu records. Ironically you never find any old Celine Dion records as these likely have serious value to people from other places and get taken out. The way I see it, it all comes down to how much time you can devote to looking and I have to agree if you have the time and the inclination there are probably good things to be had cheap. I take the middle ground by shopping at the next level up ie. used record stores. Ebay would be yet one more step up as the records are then priced for the global market instead of what the local (that's in those 50 cent Canadian dollars) will bear. I think we get good records a lot cheaper here as a result of this! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 14 Mar 2001 21:29:45 -0500 Moritz wrote: > what's the point i this discussion? I'm certainly not arguing about personal taste. > I think it's a pity if some dismisses anything new, just because computers were > used to create it. To me this has nothing to do with the quality of the music, nor > with craftmanship of the producers. Even old handplayed music can sound dull > and soulless. the entire thread started with the explicit statements "music was > better then than now" and someone had to disagree... Hasn't every successive generation made the same claim that their "anything" was better? As if you can easily quantify and qualify what "better" means, when things like music and art are so subjective you could never hope to gain any consensus anyway! History has been continuously "mined" and there is no reason to assume that will ever change. I don't argue people are now perceived to be lazier than ever given so much is handed out without requiring much thought, but at the same time people are exposed to more now than in any time in history, and for many its a natural escape from the fast paced-fast changing world we live in. Not that this should in any way impede creativity, in fact if anything I see it as the complete opposite. I guess its obvious I also fundamentally disagree with the statement that "older is naturally better", but the real question is "can there really be anything that is entirely new"? Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Electronic music Date: 15 Mar 2001 08:49:42 +0100 (CET) citerar mkg@calle22.com: Maybe it doesn't make you feel jelous > of the guy playing the guitar or in awe of him, but then those are things > that distract you from the music itself. No. Rubbish! When Vinnie Bell says hello in "maid of the moon" he does a magical thing to me and the music lifts up to a whole new level. Robert Johnson without his guitar... Nah. (Thievery Corporation, I have tried this, Nothing to recommend. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 08:58:31 +0100 (CET) citerar "m.ace" : > I think one thing that has missed clarification here, and maybe he can > confirm... I *think* maybe the stuff that's been driving Magnus crazy is > mainstream techno? The really generic stuff? No? Yes? Actually no, Everything I hear outside of my little private room upsets me, and it is the hits of the day, or in rhyme: when I go out for a beer, the dancemusic I hear. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert McKenna" Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:13:17 >Removing spontaneous expression and mastry of technique from either music >or art reduces it to a cheap manufacturing process, not a creative one. >"Fabricated" music is about as valuable as those production line "sofa >sized oil paintings" you see lined up against the wall at the gas >station. I find no problem at all with dismissing it out of hand. > So how does animation stack up as a spontaneous improvised synchronous act of creation in front of a live audience? I think it's art personally (even if we use computers to make the process easier). A long time ago you made a good point, when you were slightly annoyed at people equating drugs and artistic inspiration, that no one made good animation ripped to the tits on drink and drugs and they, in fact, tended to have to stay at home and do a lot of work. Electronic music in general requires you to stay at home and do an awful lot of work poring over minutae. A house tracks excellence is not contained in the simple tune but in the detail of the sound, timbre, rhythm and the exact dynamics. You do have a point about fabricated music, but shall we apply that term to the production of the 'Great American Songbook'? About which more later. rob _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicola Battista Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:26:04 +0100 >Electronic music in general requires you to stay at home and do an awful lot >of work poring over minutae. A house tracks excellence is not contained in >the simple tune but in the detail of the sound, timbre, rhythm and the exact >dynamics. this reminds me that a friend of mine has been begging me for the last 3 months to finish a certain dance remix of his band's tune. I took something like 3 hours to build a structure for 3 remix. Both I and the original artists (at least most of the band members) like it, the only trouble is that in 3 months I haven't been able to put a couple of small pieces in time and tune with all the rest. All this to say that there is a lot of cheap electronic stuff, and also a lot of other eletronic music that requires a lot of work. Anyway in my humble opinion sometimes some of the improvised stuff may be funny or interesting too. "commercial" productions (say, like Technotonic ;))) may often be less imaginative and boring, while still being *cheap*. (by the way I have to admit I loved Technotronic's first album, but I was only 18 at the time... ;)))) DjB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Clifford Subject: (exotica) I wish I was a mole in the ground... Date: 15 Mar 2001 03:06:55 -0800 (PST) Flushed out of my hidey-hole by some recent comments, decloaking with a couple quick quips... I'm one of those who rarely has time to post. I'm still a couple digests behind in keeping up. But I wanted to throw a couple cents in here and there. - Not sure how I feel about the vinyl availability question overall, but anecdotally I've got evidence that it's easy to find. Walking the dog last fall, found a pile of NM to mint albums on the curb with the garbage. Lots of Joplin rags, some Lionel Hampton, territory band collections (not the original 78s, but re-issue circa 60s or 70s), some disco, Trini Lopez and Claudine Longet. Not much that I would've paid good money for, a little that I would've paid a little for, and some that I would've (and did) take for free. I actually left some stuff, and found some discoveries. I enjoy the territory band stuff more than I expected. So I guess there is still good stuff out there for the taking. - Boston area listers: I forget the name of the exhibit, but Wellsley College's Davis Museum has a pretty interesting exhibit of cold war design that's worth checking out. Free admission. Album covers include Esquivel's "Other Planets...", cool furniture, Forbidden Planet, Fantastic Voyage and Godzilla OSTs, paintings, etc. all for now, Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:34:10 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > Everything I hear outside of my little private room upsets me Don't you have any birds? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Back in a trading mood Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:34:58 +0100 RoyGBivIM@aol.com schrieb: > If anyone wants to listen to something (mp3s only) just stop by my house, bring cookies. Boy, that sounds great. I wish this Atlantic would not be between us. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Lenny and Fausto at the disco Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:35:05 +0100 hey, after all these years of reading posts about Lenny Dee... could someone be so kind to throw in a Best Of compilation into the Exoticaring? I'd like to hear what I read about! Could you, Alan? You seem to like the disco phase of Dee and I like disco. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Songwriting Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:35:13 +0100 uh oh, you really know how to stir up a discussion with generalizations, Steve. Of course you know, that your craftmanship theory stands and falls with the details. Basically your arguments are the 19th century view on the art of the 20th century. Almost all innovations of the last 100 years were accused of a lack of quality and craftmanship in the beginning. Be it Cubism, Jazz, Rock, comic strips - there were always these conservative old folks saying "he cannot play an instrument, they cannot sing, he cannot paint realistically, it's not serious, it's jungle music, it's not valuable" etc. Yet the results of all this are the arts of today and you are part of it and you like it. the art and music of the last century - especially what we call Exotica - was heavily influenced by so called primitive arts. Going back to the roots. Don't tell me, this was because western culture was so fascinated about primitivism for its superior craftmanship. It was the opposite, it was the expression and visionary truth that counted. Futurism happened because the old mastership art of the 19th century was monolithic, reactionary and *booooring*. One thing about mastership is that it wants to improve yet tends to repeat old patterns. That's why it always ends up in a dead end road. That's why innovation often comes from so called dilletants or from developments outside an art form. You will have extreme difficulties to explain what good craftmanship is at all. Like f.i., wether the singing of Frank Sinatra is so good because it is so perfect - which it isn't - or because it shows expression, when he doesn't hit the right note all the time. Try to explain! You mention the Electric Light Orchestra, they could sing multi-vocally extremely well, better than the Beatles. Does it mean I have to like them more? Is this a sign of quality at all? (BTW: ELO made at least two brillant albums, but this is just my taste.) A definition of craftmanship that ignores artistic, emotional and conceptional qualities, or even personal taste, has yet to be invented. The history of craftmanship... I'd really be interested what would come out of that. I'd rather see the course of history as a dialectic exchange play between dilletants and craftsmen, each needing the other to develop. To call "over-dubbing and sound-effects a lame-ass trick to appeal to the drug-crowd"... this is the most conservative thing I have read in a while. The funny thing is, that I know kind of what you want to say, but the way you express it, it's, sorry, nonsense. It's an argument against anything new. There was this first man in history who made music by beating a stone against a piece of wood; he did it for years and achieved mastership in it. Then came the second man stringing a skin between the ends of another piece of wood and wanted to make sounds with it. But the first man said: Don't do that. You only want to impress the drug crowd with your string. Stone music is all we need. If you practice hard enough, you can achieve mastership with the stone. In "Fabricated music" you say "(the act of creation is) a spontaneous expression made possible by years of concentrated study of technique". Very well, I can second this, but this doesn't say anything about *which* technique. The art of sampling, f.i., is such a technique, no matter you accept it or not. History is written without your approval. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sem Sinatra Subject: (exotica) Nico Gomez Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:39:01 +0900 >Is that Lupita by Nico Gomez and his African Percussion? If so, that is a >blinder! And the whole LP is superb. Is there a whole album available now by Nico Gomez? Reissue? More details please. I couldn't find anything last time I looked after hearing Rio on that German Glucklick CD comp. I did pick up a red vinyl album here in Japan with one side Nico Gomez ... not his best stuff though. Sem Sinatra # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:04:19 +0100 (CET) citerar Moritz R : > Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > > > Everything I hear outside of my little private room upsets me > > Don't you have any birds? > > Mo > No all the birds moved to africa ;) I seem to pretty alone in hearing things scary in our current music, maybe I can let it pass now, I just got worried for mankind, that's how this discussion started. It actually feels a lot better after you have told me more about your opinions. Thanks for every thoughtful written post, we are different for sure. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert McKenna" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:05:13 Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer (with the beats technology type stuff being done by Howie B cohorts)? It's much more exotica flavoured than Tipsy's first album, it's sources stretch back further and are often more obscure. It's also less 'poppy'. Which is neither a compliment or a criticism as I use it. I know it's been mentioned here before but I really feel more people on this list would dig it. Also, modern drum programming is many things, but it certainly isn't repetitive if done by someone good. rob _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: Re: finer with age? Date: 15 Mar 2001 08:07:11 -0500 Ok...now I KNOW I am the oldest on this list...I'm (gulp) *51* But I'm young at heart...and all that crap. Colleen ----------- A mere child. I'm a few summers ahead of you, Colleen. (But at least I'm still officially part of the Post-WWII Baby Boom!) Larry (54 and enjoying every millennium of it...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Disney and tiki Date: 15 Mar 2001 07:07:38 -0600 itsvern@attglobal.net wrote: > It was interesting to hear a lecture from an architectural viewpoint -- and hear new things - like one of the purposes of the steam train that circles the original park. It sits on a tall earthen berm, which prevents people inside the park from looking outside and seeing the everyday surburban sprawl. The parks are also designed to force visitors to view the attractions from a particular perspective. One book I read (The Art of Walt Disney, by Christopher Finch) likened it to a movie lot or being shown a real-life Disney movie with each ride being a separate film segment. The Encounter Restaurant (which I've mentioned in several threads now) was recently remodeled by Disney Imagineers. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) Nico Gomez Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:41:19 +0000 Sem Sinatra wrote: > > >Is that Lupita by Nico Gomez and his African Percussion? If so, that is a > >blinder! And the whole LP is superb. > > Is there a whole album available now by Nico Gomez? Reissue? More > details please. I couldn't find anything last time I looked after > hearing Rio on that German Glucklick CD comp. > Nico Gomez and his Afro Percussion Inc - 'Ritual' - Omega (Holland?) is possibly a non-legal 'reissue'... lp only. Not sure of original date, possibly 71? Also, does anyone know if the Nico Gomez who plays bass for Snowboy and The Latin Section is the same person? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:28:35 +0100 (CET) Meddelande: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:23:01 +0100 citerar Robert McKenna : > > Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer (with the beats > > technology type stuff being done by Howie B cohorts)? It's much more > exotica > flavoured than Tipsy's first album, it's sources stretch back further and > are often more obscure. It's also less 'poppy'. Which is neither a > compliment or a criticism as I use it. > I know it's been mentioned here before but I really feel more people on > this > list would dig it. > Also, modern drum programming is many things, but it certainly isn't > repetitive if done by someone good. > rob To show my good will, maybe I should order it, it would be nice to hear something new that was good. I am participating in the exotica ring though, so a lot of new music will come to my ears, maybe even that one. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:23:01 +0100 (CET) citerar Robert McKenna : > > Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer (with the beats > > technology type stuff being done by Howie B cohorts)? It's much more > exotica > flavoured than Tipsy's first album, it's sources stretch back further and > are often more obscure. It's also less 'poppy'. Which is neither a > compliment or a criticism as I use it. > I know it's been mentioned here before but I really feel more people on > this > list would dig it. > Also, modern drum programming is many things, but it certainly isn't > repetitive if done by someone good. > rob To show my good will, maybe I should order it, it would be nice to hear something new that was good. I am participating in the exotica ring though, so a lot of new music will come to my ears, maybe even that one. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obit] Richard Stone Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:26:30 -0500 Richard Stone http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=1RICHARD|STONE LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Richard Stone, whose musical compositions for such popular cartoon shows as ``Animaniacs'' and ``Freakazoid'' won him more than a half-dozen Emmys, died Friday of pancreatic cancer. He was 47. Stone grew up watching Warner Bros. ``Looney Tunes'' cartoons in the 1950s and '60s before going on to study cello and music composition in college. He not only emulated the style of Carl Stalling, who composed hundreds of musical scores for classic Warner Bros. cartoons in the 1930s, '40s and '50s, but also incorporated elements of jazz, Broadway, country and rock music into his work. Stone also carved out his own style on modern-day shows, winning seven Emmys since 1994 for such cartoons as ``Animaniacs,'' ``Freakazoid'' and ``Histeria!'' He also worked on the cartoons ``Pinky & the Brain,'' ``Taz-Mania,'' ``Road Rovers'' and ``The Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries'' and scored several movies, including the cult classics ``Sundown: The Vampire in Retreat'' and ``Pumpkinhead.'' # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:28:07 -0500 After much anticipation, I finally listened to this one - and I was quite disappointed. I know it's always compared to Tipsy, but I don't see the comparison at all. Yes, there are samples used, but that's where it ends - Willner tends to use a lot of spoken word bits (based on his background, not surprising) including a lot of borscht belt -type snippets. It might be more obscure-sounding to a European, but for a North American, I didn't think so. Yes, it is less "poppy", but... BTW, whoever it was (Alan?) that said the only stuff that would be left on Napster would be the sort of stuff we're all interested in was right - but it bothers me. After all, is Metallica really going to be affected if a bunch of 12-year olds who couldn't afford to buy their CD dowloaded it from Napster instead? But now you can find all sorts of musicians who don't sell millions of copies, and I would think anything dowloaded instead of bought would be a serious blow to them. And even those that sell better, such as Tipsy, are of course, still showing up on Napster. Musicians such as Tipsy deserve our support. I think this is where I draw the Napster line (if it's something I can't otherwise buy or find, okay, but if not...) And for those who watch Sex And The City (I'm still catching up on the first two seasons) Tipsy's music shows up from time to time in the background - you can't miss it! > Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer (with the beats > technology type stuff being done by Howie B cohorts)? It's much more exotica > flavoured than Tipsy's first album, it's sources stretch back further and > are often more obscure. It's also less 'poppy' Enough ranting for one morning...see what staying home with a four-year-old on spring break can do to you? cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: (exotica) Hidden Identities Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:55:06 -0500 Not long ago there was a good bit of discussion about aliases (Dick Hyman was Knuckles O'Toole, right?), and I'm curious about two albums in my collection. Does anybody know who "The Mustang" was? The album's not great, so I won't be upset if I don't find this one out, but I do like "Trumpets Ole," and I'm curious about it. It's on Decca, so my assumption is that it's a group from that bunch, although as someone here brought up, the alias could be a means of avoiding contract violations with other labels. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:15:04 -0500 >And for those who watch Sex And The City (I'm still catching up on the >first >two seasons) Tipsy's music shows up from time to time in the background - >you can't miss it! > Check out the web site for Boston band "4 Piece Suit" at www.fourpiecesuit.com. It mentions that they also put together some music for "Sex And The City". Boston band. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 15 Mar 2001 17:21:53 +0100 (CET) I have started to buy classic films again after many years with just sci fi and horror of the psychotronic kind, it just gives me more for the moment, allthough those old genre films have a special shimmer to me. Yesterday I watched Fellinis "Le Notti di Cabiria" or "Nights of Cabiria". And it is a fantastic film! Its about a prostitute and her relationships with men who always end up in great pain for her. Giulietta Masina who portrays this somewhat lost soul is a real miracle in gestures and facial expression, I was extremely touched by her performance allthough I did not cry when this film ended. It is of significance also for us exoticats since the music is really good, there are even some true "exotica" performances and mambo in it. You cant go wrong with this one. The image quality of the dvd from Criterion is fantastic. Any other Fellini recommendations? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mimi Mayer Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:00:11 -0600 Appropos of nothing except information overload and The Digitized Lifestyle as Steve Jobs just put it, a fine recent novel explores this phenomenon: The Diagnosis by Alan Lightman. Nothing musical in it except the prose. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brett Leveridge Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:48:15 -0500 (EST) NIGHTS OF CABIRIA is indeed terrific. I saw it for the first time a few years ago, when a remastered, restored print was making the rounds. It was the fifth film I saw that day (I was on a tear), so you'd think I'd have been bleary-eyed and distracted, but it's such a great film that it kept me engaged throughout. Of the Fellini films that are available on DVD, I've seen LA DOLCE VITA, 8 1/2, and LA STRADA, and I highly recommend them all (LA STRADA is heartbreaking). For a long time, I assumed Fellini wouldn't be my cup of tea; I'd somehow been led to believe that that his films were all a bit surreal and difficult to follow. But that hasn't been the case at all with the films I've seen. One note on NIGHTS OF CABIRIA: The scene with the man offering charity to the people who live in the caves was cut out of the film back in '57; it was seen only a few times. Fellini excised it at the request of the church (who thought it reflected badly on them); only because of the recent restoration is it in the film now, and thank Heaven it is: it's a lovely scene, and vital to the film, in my view. ************************************************** Brett Leveridge's "Men My Mother Dated and Other Mostly True Tales" is now in a bookstore near you. Order signed copies at: http://www.menmymotherdated.com On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Magnus Sandberg wrote: > Yesterday I watched Fellinis "Le Notti di Cabiria" or "Nights of > Cabiria". And it is a fantastic film! Its about a prostitute and her > relationships with men who always end up in great pain for her. > Giulietta Masina who portrays this somewhat lost soul is a real miracle > in gestures and facial expression, I was extremely touched by her > performance allthough I did not cry when this film ended. It is of > significance also for us exoticats since the music is really good, > there are even some true "exotica" performances and mambo in it. > > Any other Fellini recommendations? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 15 Mar 2001 17:54:36 +0100 (CET) citerar Brett Leveridge : > Of the Fellini films that are available on DVD, I've seen LA DOLCE VITA, 8 > 1/2, and LA STRADA, and I highly recommend them all (LA STRADA is > heartbreaking). For a long time, I assumed Fellini wouldn't be my cup of > tea; I thought so too, luckily with art is that you can change and appreciate things in later stadiums of life. What a great storyteller he is, and so humane. > > One note on NIGHTS OF CABIRIA: The scene with the man offering charity to > the people who live in the caves was cut out of the film back in '57; it > was seen only a few times. Fellini excised it at the request of the church > (who thought it reflected badly on them); only because of the recent > restoration is it in the film now, and thank Heaven it is: it's a lovely > scene, and vital to the film, in my view. I agree, very vital, yet the atmosphere change a little from the rest of the film # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Other Sex Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:11:57 EST In a message dated Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:15:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Domenic Ciccone" writes: << >And for those who watch Sex And The City (I'm still catching up on the >first >two seasons) Tipsy's music shows up from time to time in the background - >you can't miss it! > Last night I was stunned when I heard Sam Paglia's "Night Club Tropez" on "Sex And The City". But I also really like the music on "The Sopranos", even though its not exotica...The other night I heard Dave 'Baby' Cortez pumping "The Happy Organ" while Anthony gave his attitude-ridden nephew some facts he "isn't gonna like to hear, but he's gonna hear it anyways and deal with it...."...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:01:49 -0800 (PST) Giulietta of the Spirits: very beautiful cinematography, and ST, if I recall correctly (it's been 10 years). --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: > > Any other Fellini recommendations? > > Magnus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Other Sex Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:14:27 -0800 (PST) I have not seen the show this season, but yes - the folks who score it are on our wavelength. Last season, I heard Denny and Baxter in the same episode (I think it was the oral masseur one). --- DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > Last night I was stunned when I heard Sam Paglia's > "Night Club Tropez" on "Sex And The City" But I > also really like the music on "The Sopranos", even > though its not exotica... What I find amusing musically about the Sopranos is that the Gandolfini character and his capi still listen to Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra (and speak reverentially of the latter): after all, these guys are 30 to 40 something years old, raised in an urban environment in the Zeppelin-Sex Pistols era (not that I don't see the appeal... I'd spin Frankie anyday before listening to Led Zeppelin or Boston, etc., ever again. But I suppose tradition and its asphixiating ties are what it's all about. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Fellinguine Date: 15 Mar 2001 10:32:55 -0800 (PST) This is probably next to meaningless, but as it keeps me from the task at hand: When I was in school in Charlottesville, VA I used to eat at a restaurant called Fellini's: decent food, decor, etc., and baroque stories known to a few regulars (the chef going to prison for some undisclosed reason being the one I can still recall); they also supported local arts. It was eventually shut down. Returning to Fairfax to tie up loose ends on a graduate degree I found close by a great restaurant called La Dolce Vita. Is there a message in this? Am I too prone to suspecting inscrutible links and correspondences (or did I eat a variety of things in my malformative years that did not agree with me?) or are there in fact thousands of Italian restaurants with Fellini-inspired names? --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 15 Mar 2001 19:45:28 +0100 Magnus wrote: > Yesterday I watched Fellinis "Le Notti di Cabiria" or "Nights of > Cabiria". > It is of > significance also for us exoticats since the music is really good, > there are even some true "exotica" performances and mambo in it. André Popp did a cover version of one of the tunes from that movie. I'd have to look up the title, but it was written by Nino Rota. Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mimi Mayer Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:09:00 -0600 I adore The White Sheik and the heartbreaking La Strada. In my opinion Nino Rota's OSTs for La Strada, La Dolce, 8 1/2 and La Noti are essential (but then, I'm unhinged when it comes to Rota and Fellini). Of the later Rota/Fellini collaborations, the Casanova OST stands apart. Add Giullieta degli spiriti/Juliet of the Spirits to the essentials list too--plus, the film Juliet is as freighted with the surreal as La Dolce or 8 1/2 or Satyricon. You can find most of these OSTs conducted by Carlo Savina at http://www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com/ , a relatively new addy for the company. Ah, a bracing Rota break from work! Thanks, Magnus! Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mimi Mayer Subject: Re: (exotica) Fellinguine Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:24:31 -0600 Ben penned: Is there a message in this? Am I >too prone to suspecting inscrutable links and >correspondences (or did I eat a variety of things in >my malformative years that did not agree with me?) or >are there in fact thousands of Italian restaurants >with Fellini-inspired names? Weird synchronicity. Tonight I'm giving a reading at a cafe next door to La Dolce Vita, a coffee house with a liquor license. And on the day when Rota/Fellini crop up on the list. Coincidence, correspondence, or inscrutable mystery? You decide. Mimi Bullwinkle: Eenie weinie chili beanie, the sprits are about to speak. Rocky: Are they friendly spirits? Bullwinkle: Friendly? Just listen! [commercial break] # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:02:14 -0500 >Any other Fellini recommendations? I'm probably just a pushover, but I've always found ANY Fellini movie to be worth viewing. Even the "lesser" films. A few of those that I enjoyed: Lo Sceicco Bianco (1952) [aka The White Sheik] A gentle little comedy. Anyone who would put this down would also kick a puppy. Prova d'orchestra (1979) [aka Orchestra Rehearsal] Allegorical single-set comedy w/ an orchestra descending into social disorder. Maybe a film soundtrack orchestra -- I can't remember that distinction. Some found it too obvious. I thought it was amusing. Intervista (1987) A fanciful look back at his film career. Some may find it a bit too dewy eyed. m.ace mace@ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Nancy & Lee Again Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:02:34 -0500 Speaking of Nancy & Lee, here's a question from my post that was blocked the other week. Does anyone else have "Nancy & Lee Again" from about 1972? What do you think of it? I have it. It's not up there with the original album, nothing comes anywhere close to "Some Velvet Morning". But it has some interesting tracks. "Arkansas Coal (Suite)", "Congratulations", the comedy closer "Got It Together". I never seem to hear anything about it. Is it that obscure? Or is it a hated album? thanks, m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:29:31 +0100 (CET) citerar "m.ace" : Did Fellini do the film from the eighties about the italian Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers impersonators? That was a nice one! M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Fellinguine Date: 15 Mar 2001 11:33:09 -0800 (PST) Interesting (Rocky and Bullwinkle, along with HR Puffenstuff, always was). The incantation and emergence of formidable spirits in the magic cathode circle to do what work? The squirrely question cannot be answered. Intimations from the fantastic beyond to a simulated world. There was something going on in that show (and its Fractured Fairtales). --- Mimi Mayer wrote: > > Bullwinkle: Eenie weinie chili beanie, the sprits > are about to speak. > Rocky: Are they friendly spirits? > Bullwinkle: Friendly? Just listen! > [commercial break] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:39:46 -0500 At 12:34 PM 3/15/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote: .> >Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > >> Everything I hear outside of my little private room upsets me > >Don't you have any birds? . Great comeback Mo! Then again birds can be upsetting. All those squawks and squeals. "Not all birds sing sweetly". Who said that? I did. Believe it or not, I can actually relate to this. And I guess we all can. I might not express myself like Magnus, who sometimes reminds me of a young Brother Theodore (he's still alive isn't he? Barely?) Except for the time I spend hanging around a couple of used record stores, most of the MUSIC I hear outside my little room, annoys me to some extent.. Even at the bar I frequent, where they play a steady diet of Roberta Flack, Al Green, Motown.. it gets tiresome. The fact that they think they're so "eclectic" is part of what bothers me. Even "old school" soul music can get tiresome and repetitive. Especially when they play the same five CD's every time you go there. So yes I can imagine poor Magnus hiding in his room, afraid to leave, afraid to be confronted by all the Boy Bands blaring from every speaker. But that's got nothing to do with fabricated music. And what's wrong with fabricating music anyway? If you don't fabricate it, what do you do to it? AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:47:37 -0500 At 10:28 AM 3/15/01 -0500, cheryl wrote: > After all, is Metallica really going to be affected if a >bunch of 12-year olds who couldn't afford to buy their CD dowloaded it from >Napster instead? If anyone here still wants to download Metallica, go to this site: http://napcameback.com/ I'm so proud of these young Canadian boys. Yeah I know that it's immature of me but I still kind of like it when kids steal music on the internet. And I was so happy when I saw this on the local news the other day. Go there and you can continue to steal from really successful musicians. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Hidden Identities Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:50:35 -0500 At 10:55 AM 3/15/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote: > >Not long ago there was a good bit of discussion about aliases (Dick Hyman >was Knuckles O'Toole, right?), and I'm curious about two albums in my >collection. Does anybody know who "The Mustang" was? I'm almost sure that the Mustang was Paul Griffin, who died within the last year or so. And if you see The Mustang Beatles record, pick it up; it's better than the other one I had. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) James Bond Theme Trial Ongoing Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:53:15 -0500 What with all the talk of soundtracks, I hope that y'all occasionally find your way to http://filmscoremonthly.com Here's some interesting goings-on as reported on the site's home page: James Bond Theme Trial Ongoing News flash by Lukas Kendall The libel trial between Monty Norman and London's Sunday Times is ongoing. I want to alert our readers to excellent, comprehensive summaries that Pete Greenhill has been providing for the John Barry newsgroup at Yahoo's egroups, as he has been attending the trial. (I think you have to sign up in order to access the board.) Here are the daily summaries -- there apparently aren't any for days 1 and 2: Day 3 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johnbarry/message/14831 Day 4-5 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johnbarry/message/14867 Day 6 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johnbarry/message/14882 Day 7 - John Barry takes the stand! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/johnbarry/message/14925 Finally we can learn the story behind the authorship of this famous theme...I hope! ========== lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Other Sex Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:01:41 -0500 At 10:14 AM 3/15/01 -0800, Ben Waugh wrote: > >What I find amusing musically about the Sopranos is >that the Gandolfini character and his capi still >listen to Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra (and speak >reverentially of the latter): after all, these guys >are 30 to 40 something years old, raised in an urban >environment in the Zeppelin-Sex Pistols era I think it would be a great idea for them to throw in a little Sex Pistols. I know it would be a big wink-wink thing but at the very least, I can imagine these guys listening to Springsteen. I find it very very curious that even though the vast majority of us do NOT look like rock n roll musicians, we still find it funny when some slightly overweight, balding character on television (or movies) makes a reference to rock music. You watch the Sopranos, you don't question that these guys see themselves as Rat Packers and think of Frank Sinatra as just this side of Jesus. On the other hand, I could imagine on a show like this which turns so many cliches on its side, they could have made more interesting musical choices. BTW if you ever watch this new A&E show, 100 Centre Street, the character played by Alan Arkin is a jazz fan and record collector and occasionally buys used records from a guy on the street. It's a nice touch. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Nancy & Lee Again Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:06:07 -0500 At 02:02 PM 3/15/01 -0500, m.ace wrote: > >Speaking of Nancy & Lee, here's a question from my post that was blocked >the other week. > >Does anyone else have "Nancy & Lee Again" from about 1972? What do you >think of it? I have it. You're right, it's not as good as the original. I bought my copy when I was in Montreal by the way, at a weird store that was around the corner from where Will used to live. I think it's slightly obscure. I think there are fans of the first record that would be surprised to see they made another. I suspect you could get okay money at ebay for it. I'm glad I have it but I could probably give it up. There's no one around for me to impress anymore. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show) Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:05:21 -0800 I know you are the people who can help me in this regard: I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom does one turn when one needs to hire an army of little people, or needs the world's skinniest character actor, or an elderly trapeze artist? I have to believe that there are such organizations. If there are, someone here knows about it. Thanks in advance. Ron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Hidden Identities Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:14:08 -0500 Thanks for the info. I just listened to the album at lunchtime, and it's not as bad as I had originally thought, but he's no Jimmy Smith. By the way, the illustration on the front of the album seems to suggest that "The Mustang" was black. Was Paul Griffin? Or are we dealing with an assumption that "funky" organ music had to be played by an African American? > From: alan zweig > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:50:35 -0500 > To: exotica@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (exotica) Hidden Identities > > I'm almost sure that the Mustang was Paul Griffin, who died within the last > year or so. And if you see The Mustang Beatles record, pick it up; it's > better than the other one I had. > > AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show) Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:26:00 -0500 > From: "Ron Grandia" > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:05:21 -0800 > To: "Exotica" > Subject: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show) > > I know you are the people who can help me in this regard: > > I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom > does one turn when one needs to hire an army of little people, or needs the > world's skinniest character actor, or an elderly trapeze artist? > > I have to believe that there are such organizations. If there are, someone > here knows about it. I do not know the answer to this question. But it put me in mind of a humorous story from a professor of Russian language I once had who took students every year to the Soviet Union. On one trip a young Georgian man had attached himself to the group, and in a quiet moment, the professor, who is gay, asked the Georgian man (in Russian) where he might meet men like himself in Tbilisi, a later stop on their trip. To explain himself, the professor had used the term "gomik," which is a shortened version of "gomoseksualist," or homosexual. The young man looked at him rather confusedly, but thought a while, came up with an answer, and wrote the address for him on a sheet of paper. A little later one of the students came over and said to the professor, "Man, that guy thinks you're really weird!" Turns out that the Georgian, whose Russian was passable but not great, had understood the professor to say not "gomik" (gay man) but "gnomik," which means "little dwarf." The professor is over six feet tall, but deciding not to quarrel with the man, the Georgian had given him the address of a place in Tbilisi where circus performers gather! My apologies for the off-topic story, but I couldn't help myself. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:50:13 +0100 (CET) citerar alan zweig : > I might not express myself like Magnus, who sometimes reminds me of a young > Brother Theodore (he's still alive isn't he? Barely?) Who is brother Theodore? > So yes I can imagine poor Magnus hiding in his room, afraid to leave, > afraid to be confronted by all the Boy Bands blaring from every speaker. Thanks for the compassion. I need it for the moment. I have slept nearly the whole day, and with strange dreams. I dreamed of Eilert Pilarm. He was out on my childhoods street, and a crowd had gathered. Then my dog came running and he had hurt his paw. When I bent down to help him he hit me deep into the flesh with his other paw. I dont like those kind of dreams, but I have them all the time. Did I ever tell you about a friend's Lee Hazelwood dream? He was out walking, and suddenly faced a greek temple, he went inside and it was full of light, and Lee Hazelwood records. The records were like 50 inches wide, and there were so many, so what began as a wonderful dream for him (He collects Lee Hazelwood) turned into a collectors nightmare, because he knew he could not bring home other than a little part of the temples treasure. And he couldnt choose which ones to pick :) Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Other Sex Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:55:06 -0800 (PST) --- alan zweig wrote: > I find it very very curious that even though the > vast majority of us do NOT > look like rock n roll musicians, we still find it > funny when some slightly > overweight, balding character on television (or > movies) makes a reference > to rock music. > You watch the Sopranos, you don't question that > these guys see themselves > as Rat Packers and think of Frank Sinatra as just > this side of Jesus. > On the other hand, I could imagine on a show like > this which turns so many > cliches on its side, they could have made more > interesting musical choices. Yes. Rock cannot be about rebellion and offending the squares when us parental (and even grand-parental) types) are blasting Joe Clay, Little Richard, Richard Hell and Kurt Ka-bang. That's why these kids listen to that insect-hearted machine music - to piss us off ( ;^) ). Sopranos-wise, I think the musical choices give us some indication of context, or the character of the characters (as Richman's Astral Plane did for - shall I start it again? - Chuck and Buck). Bad 70s hard rock and hippie fluff is often heard: Tony's 1st fainting spell occurred as he was driving, listening and singing along with Deep Purple, "Smoke on the Water." These guys are very not about sensitivity of any sort (or at least they are about concealing that sensitivity). And Ex-Blue-eyes introduced, appropriately, a major whacking, Godfather style. But I would hate to be the one that turns this list into a Sopranos discussion group... almost as reprehensible as comparing record collecting to beanie baby fever (evidence of the world authority of the Demiurge). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 12:59:31 -0800 (PST) I hope he did wake up to find he'd put his pillow up on E-Bay with steep reserve. --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: a wonderful dream > for him (He collects Lee Hazelwood) turned into a > collectors nightmare, > because he knew he could not bring home other than a > little part of the > temples treasure. And he couldnt choose which ones > to pick :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show) Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:19:27 +0100 > I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom > does one turn when one needs to hire an army of little people, or > needs the > world's skinniest character actor, or an elderly trapeze artist? Oh, that's an easy one, Ron: invite all members of the Exotica mailing list! Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Other Sex Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:22:45 EST In a message dated 3/15/1 3:00:14 PM, azed@pathcom.com wrote: >>What I find amusing musically about the Sopranos is >>that the Gandolfini character and his capi still >>listen to Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra (and speak >>reverentially of the latter): after all, these guys >>are 30 to 40 something years old, raised in an urban >>environment in the Zeppelin-Sex Pistols era > >I think it would be a great idea for them to throw in a little Sex Pistols. >I know it would be a big wink-wink thing but at the very least, I can >imagine these guys listening to Springsteen. >I find it very very curious that even though the vast majority of us do NOT >look like rock n roll musicians, we still find it funny when some slightly >overweight, balding character on television (or movies) makes a reference >to rock music. 'Ey some of my best friends are Italian!...And Gandolfini's character probably grew up as many urban Italians grew up in the Eastern U.S. They listened to Frankie, Jerry, Dino, Sammy, Connie et al with the family (Pick up "'Ey Paisano" on Rhino for a sampling). They listened to white boy doo-woppers like Dion DiMucci, Frankie Valli and a million others as they headed to the streets and toward puberty, and like Tony Mannero in "Saturday Night Fever", they went shithouse over disco in the 7T's. Disco was as much an Italian thing as it was black or gay. My friends in the North End still make fun of rock from the 70's and early 80's... "Hey who's that playin', fuckin' Devo or what??" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Fellinguine Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:23:15 -0800 (PST) Almost forgot: thank you for seeing through and patching up the, errr, inscrutAble condition of my virtual penmanship. I have become slovenly in my craft. --- Mimi Mayer wrote: > Ben penned: > Is there a message in this? Am I > >too prone to suspecting inscrutable links and > >correspondences (or did I eat a variety of things > in > >my malformative years that did not agree with me?) > or > >are there in fact thousands of Italian restaurants > >with Fellini-inspired names? > > Weird synchronicity. Tonight I'm giving a reading at > a cafe next door to La > Dolce Vita, a coffee house with a liquor license. > And on the day when > Rota/Fellini crop up on the list. Coincidence, > correspondence, or > inscrutable mystery? You decide. Mimi > > Bullwinkle: Eenie weinie chili beanie, the sprits > are about to speak. > Rocky: Are they friendly spirits? > Bullwinkle: Friendly? Just listen! > [commercial break] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: RE: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show) Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:42:34 -0800 Hehehhe... I thought of that already. By the way, I should mention that I am particularly interested in a SF Bay Area agency. I have been soing some searches online, as well as consulting my handy-dandy "reel guide" but to no avail yet. Ron > I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom > does one turn when one needs to hire an army of little people, or > needs the > world's skinniest character actor, or an elderly trapeze artist? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Other Sex Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:50:48 -0500 > Sopranos-wise, I think the musical choices give us > some indication of context, or the character of the > characters (as Richman's Astral Plane did for - shall > I start it again? - Chuck and Buck). I finally saw Chuck And Buck last week - good movie, I've been humming that stupid tune for a week now... (not Astral Plane, but the oodlyoodlyoodly one...) The show I've seen with the most interesting music lately is The Lone Gunmen - not exotica, but good music nonetheless (sort of like the X-Files used to play, back when it was good...) And as for Jimmy B's Devo reference, I saw a really cool commercial yesterday - playing Devo's "Beautiful World" - turned out it was for Target! cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Dean Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:01:03 -0600 Ben Waugh wrote: > Giulietta of the Spirits: very beautiful > cinematography, and ST, if I recall correctly (it's > been 10 years). I quite agree. Juliet of the Spirits is a *great* movie; I watch it regularly. It's available on DVD, and the OST is one of my all time faves! paul dean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:09:56 +0100 "m.ace" schrieb: > > I'm probably just a pushover, but I've always found ANY Fellini movie to be > worth viewing. Even the "lesser" films. > > Prova d'orchestra (1979) [aka Orchestra Rehearsal] > Allegorical single-set comedy w/ an orchestra descending into social > disorder. Maybe a film soundtrack orchestra -- I can't remember that > distinction. Some found it too obvious. I thought it was amusing. > this is the ONLY one I didn't like. too melodramatic for my taste. Is there any Fellini film that Nino Rota DIDN'T make the music for? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:08:59 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > > Did Fellini do the film from the eighties about the italian Fred > Astaire and Ginger Rogers impersonators? That was a nice one! > yes, Ginger and Fred, with Mastroianni and Guiletta Masina. great late work! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Nancy & Lee Again Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:09:47 +0100 "m.ace" schrieb: > Speaking of Nancy & Lee, here's a question from my post that was blocked > the other week. > > Does anyone else have "Nancy & Lee Again" from about 1972? What do you > think of it? No, it's great. Not AS great as No.1, but if you're at least slightly a fan, you gotta have this. It has this little talk between Nancy and Lee, where he says, he's now going to Sweden etc. All Lee Hazlewood albums are kind of obscure, has any of them been reissued at all? I guess the most underestimated singer/songwriter of the 20th century HAS to be obscure. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Proof of Concept Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:35:02 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:26:04 +0100 >From: Nicola Battista >Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music > >this reminds me that a friend of mine has been begging me for the last 3 >months to finish a certain dance remix of his band's tune. >I took something like 3 hours to build a structure for 3 remix. Both I and >the original artists (at least most of the band members) like it, the only >trouble is that in 3 months I haven't been able to put a couple of small >pieces in time and tune with all the rest. This one is funny. Perhaps you should suggest that the band all play in the same key. hehe See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Sampling Vampirism Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:35:00 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:36:16 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: (exotica) The Problem with people who have a problem with Machines > >If someone hears a tune with lots of samples and says "Gee I'd like to hear >some of the original tunes that were sampled", then I can understand that. >But when someone says "I would PREFER to hear the original tune", I find >that just bizarre. It is the exact same feeling I get when I watch Ken Burns's Jazz and I see a clip of Jelly Roll Morton playing the piano, and then some "critic" starts talking over the top of it, and they cut away to his head yakking away as Jelly Roll plays in the background. I would rather hear Jelly Roll than the talking head. I would rather hear Enoch Light than some kid standing in front of him noodling with a sampler. There is a TON of great music in this world. There is absolutely no reason to "repackage" it. The music speaks for itself. People who feel the need to make a musical statement should make their own music. My suspicion is that they can't... that's why they have to stand on the broad shoulders of musicians of the past to make "their own point" with somebody else's music. >a lot of this sample-based music uses music that a lot of us >would actually hate if we were to listen to the originals. I suspect that says a lot more about you than it does the original music. >IF you don't like the genre of music that often features sampling, >so be it. But it seems to me that you're saying " I don't like >this music because I philosophically oppose the very concept of >sampling". To which I can only ask "On what basis"? I require both musicality and musicianship from musicians. I believe in music as a form of personal artistic expression. All of those elements are lacking in music cobbled together from bits of other people's music. >Is it because you philosophically oppose the use of computers in >the making of music? No. An instrument is a tool. It is certainly possible to use a computer to compose and perform great music. But the tool is the least important part of great musicmaking. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:42:50 +0100 (CET) Thanks for your recommendations, I choosed 'il Bidone', dont think anyone mentioned it, but I checked Amazon and IMDB and it seemed to be the perfect followup to Nights of Cabiria, also a film about loneliness and even due to the transfer to dvd that were supposed to be great. Now maybe you will even see Magnus turn into a Fellini collector as well. This was also scored by Nino Rota. Also choosed Jean Renoirs 'Grand Illusion', I saw it fifteen years ago, remember I liked it alot but the movie will be a total surprise since all I remember is Von Stroheims thing around his neck MAgnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) Archie McPhee Spectaclock sale Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:45:09 -0800 For those not on the AM mailing list, behold: SPECTACLOCK SALE! They may be the coolest novelty clocks ever produced. The Spectaclocks have the bounciest music and the best dioramas in novelty history, but all good things must come to an end and we are discontinuing the line. We are lowering the price from $34.95 to $24.95 and advertising it only to cult members. There are five styles left: Beach Scene, New Orleans Jazz, Fiesta, Classical Music and Ballet. These are in limited supply and make great gifts! http://www.mcphee.com/cgi-bin/mcphee/affiliate?id=CLT301&sku=spectasale lousmith@pipeline.com ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) More clarifications Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:00:23 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:35:13 +0100 >From: Moritz R >Subject: Re: (exotica) Songwriting > >Basically your arguments are the 19th century view on the art of the 20th >century. Almost all innovations of the last 100 years were accused of a >lack of quality and craftmanship in the beginning. I'm not entirely sure they weren't right when it comes to fine art. In music, it is impossible to ignore the importance of the development of Jazz. That is the single most important creative development of the past 100 years. Filmmaking runs second to that. >the art and music of the last century - especially what we call Exotica - >was heavily influenced by so called primitive arts. You have to be kidding! Exotica music doesn't have anything to do with primitive arts! You've been believing what they say on those liner notes again. Exotica music is all a midwestern vision of mysterious, but non-existent dark continents and desert islands. It has more to do with Xavier Cugat and Charlie Barnet than it does pygmies in the Ituri forest. The people who played it wore wing tip shoes and horn rim glasses, they didn't carry spears. It's a fantasy, like Disneyland. But it's built on a foundation of big band and small swing combos. >You will have extreme difficulties to explain what good craftmanship is at >all. Like f.i., wether the singing of Frank Sinatra is so good because it >is so perfect - which it isn't - or because it shows expression, when he >doesn't hit the right note all the time. Try to explain! I'd be happy to discuss Sinatra. He had tons of skill, built up with his years with Dorsey. He also had great musicality in the middle part of his career. He kept going until he was a shadow of himself though, so it's impossible to generalize about his career. It divides into three clearly defined pieces... The Columbia, Capitol and Reprise eras. >You mention the >Electric Light Orchestra, they could sing multi-vocally extremely well, >better than the Beatles. Does it mean I have to like them more? You missed my point there I think. I was saying that neither of them were exceptional when it came to playing their instruments. The thing that set the Beatles apart was their musicality and songwriting ability. ELO didn't have that. I'm not saying that craftsmanship is ALL you need. I'm saying that musicality without musicianship is at best "half-good". It can be argued that the Beatles improved their musicianship remarkably as time went on, but it can also be argued that their musicality followed an inverse curve to their musicianship. (I could draw that idea clearer than I can say it... Picture an X laying on its side... one line is musicality and one is musicianship... do you understand?) See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Whoops I'm An Indian Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:02:02 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:05:13 >From: "Robert McKenna" >Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music > >Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer Have you heard Fannie Brice's original version? See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: RE: (exotica) Whoops I'm An Indian Date: 15 Mar 2001 16:02:57 -0800 >>Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer >Have you heard Fannie Brice's original version? >Steve He will - I've included it on one of my exoticaring tapes. BTW, Willner doesn't actually have the tune WIAI on the disc (unless it's buried so deep I missed it). He's using it for the concept of the lyric line "that's something that I never was before" - in other words, that now he's a dance music maker, something he never was before. Or at least that's how I read it. lousmith@pipeline.com ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: (exotica) mingo-go Date: 15 Mar 2001 18:53:03 -0500 i was surprised to see (not really) former exotikitten miss jill mingo on LuxuriaMusic.com yesterday spinning her stuff without a mention of her appearence here on the list or did i miss a posting??? i caught the last few seconds and managed to chat a few lines to her but that was it. i did read her impressive bio and happy to hear her doing so much, but sorry i did not get to hear the show. did anybody check it out? does Luxuria have their shows archived yet? bump out # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) More clarifications Date: 15 Mar 2001 19:17:55 EST In a message dated 3/15/1 6:53:57 PM, bigshot@spumco.com wrote: >Picture an X laying on its >side... one line is musicality and one is musicianship... >do you understand?) No...please explain? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) More clarifications Date: 15 Mar 2001 19:21:25 EST In a message dated 3/15/1 7:18:54 PM, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: >>Picture an X laying on its >>side... one line is musicality and one is musicianship... >>do you understand?) > >No...please explain? Actually if anyone would attempt to differentiate between musicianship and musicality (?) it would be welcome.......anything with "ity" always perplexes me (sexuality, city)...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Keane Subject: Re: (exotica) Nancy & Lee Again Date: 15 Mar 2001 18:41:29 -0600 (CST) On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Moritz R wrote: > > > > "m.ace" schrieb: > > > Speaking of Nancy & Lee, here's a question from > my post that was blocked > > the other week. > > > > Does anyone else have > "Nancy & Lee Again" from about 1972? What do you > > think of it? > > No, > it's great. Not AS great as No.1, but if you're at least slightly a fan, > you gotta have this. It has this little talk between Nancy and Lee, where > he says, he's now going to Sweden etc. All Lee Hazlewood > albums are kind > of obscure, has any of them been reissued at all? Most definitely. Smells Like Records has four reissues out: http://www.smellslikerecords.com -- Kerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling Vampirism Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:04:24 -0500 At 03:35 PM 3/15/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: > >>a lot of this sample-based music uses music that a lot of us >>would actually hate if we were to listen to the originals. > >I suspect that says a lot more about you than it does the original >music. What the fuck do you mean by that? (Sorry to everyone else but sometimes you have to swear). I'm tired of arguing your other views. But I really wonder what you mean by this "point". Unless it's just the kind of meaningless thing you say to someone online because it's easier to be rude when the person's not standing there. I'm not sure you know what sampling means. Or how things are sampled. Something can make a good sample and not be "good" in any other way. I would assume that to be obvious but apparently not. There's three piano notes at the beginning of some generic cha cha tune. Someone takes that and repeats them and mixes in rhythm and gives it a groove that I like and then moves on to twenty five other little samples like that in the course of five minutes. I say that I prefer that to the original which is actually the hundredth version of "Frenesi" that I've heard and not my favorite version by a long shot. What praytell does that say about me? Are you telling me that no matter what, you're sure that you'd prefer the original? I know you're an absolutist but you can't possibly go that far. Can you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling Vampirism Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:05:01 -0500 At 03:35 PM 3/15/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: > >>a lot of this sample-based music uses music that a lot of us >>would actually hate if we were to listen to the originals. > >I suspect that says a lot more about you than it does the original >music. What the fuck do you mean by that? (Sorry to everyone else but sometimes you have to swear). I'm tired of arguing your other views. But I really wonder what you mean by this "point". Unless it's just the kind of meaningless thing you say to someone online because it's easier to be rude when the person's not standing there. I'm not sure you know what sampling means. Or how things are sampled. Something can make a good sample and not be "good" in any other way. I would assume that to be obvious but apparently not. There's three piano notes at the beginning of some generic cha cha tune. Someone takes that and repeats them and mixes in rhythm and gives it a groove that I like and then moves on to twenty five other little samples like that in the course of five minutes. I say that I prefer that to the original which is actually the hundredth version of "Frenesi" that I've heard and not my favorite version by a long shot. What praytell does that say about me? Are you telling me that no matter what, you're sure that you'd prefer the original? I know you're an absolutist but you can't possibly go that far. Can you? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tipsydave@aol.com Subject: (exotica) The Problem with mechanical vampirism as a career choice Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:03:17 EST In a message dated 3/14/01 3:34:48 PM, azed@pathcom.com writes: << >When I hear a song based on a sampled riff, it only makes me want >to hear the source material. The creativity of chopping up someone >else's work and slapping your own name on it is lost on me. It's >musical vampirism as far as I'm concerned. A few weeks ago, a friend of mine played me some tune, I think it was by Tony Mottola. ... The reason he was playing it was because the opening riff of the tune was "sampled" and used as the opening riff of a very familiar tune by, I think, Tipsy. (If you know what i'm talking about here, please reply) I know what you're talking about. We're a little embarrassed about that one, ourselves. I have to admit that there are a couple numbers on our first lp that are a bit...ummm...derivative. However, I think we, and the musicians we work with, do our best to create something that's different enough from our (many) collage-sources that it can now stand on its own. It does take a lot more effort than some people might think to make it all fit together. Also, I have to agree with the luddite faction about most "techno beats". They usually leave me cold, too. Personally, I'm just trying to make music that I like, that the general public can enjoy as well, using the tools available to me now. I'd like an orchestra but I don't have access to one right now, and I'm a little clumsy, myself. <> That's what matters, isn't it? -dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:22:55 -0500 At 09:50 PM 3/15/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: > >Who is brother Theodore? Somebody find a Brother Theodore website for Magnus. There must be a better one than this one. http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0499/brother.theodore1.asp Or if you had $100 you could buy this on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1415950137 AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show) Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:25:11 -0500 At 12:05 PM 3/15/01 -0800, Ron Grandia wrote: > >I know you are the people who can help me in this regard: > >I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom >does one turn Have you actually contacted talent agencies? There's no doubt that some freaks have agents. And almost any theatrical CASTING agent would know how to find them. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Dean Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 15 Mar 2001 19:35:49 -0600 > Paul Dean : > > > I quite agree. Juliet of the Spirits is a *great* movie; I watch it > > regularly. It's available on DVD, and the OST is one of my all time > > faves! > > > > paul dean > > > > Do you have the dvd? I read soemwhere that it was not up to the quality > one would want? Or??? Should I buy it? I have not seen the film. > > Magnus Yes, I have it . Actually . . . it's out on loan, so I can't check at the moment, but the quality has never bothered me. It's a gorgeous technicolor fantasy, the world and Juliet's imagination are constantly intermingled. Amazing sets and clothes and music . . . one of my favorite Fellinis. Critics seem to have dismissed it as being too overboard, but that's what makes it for me. You should definitely see it. Yes, you should buy it! paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: RE: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show) Date: 15 Mar 2001 17:44:23 -0800 >>Have you actually contacted talent agencies? There's no doubt that some freaks have agents. And almost any theatrical CASTING agent would know how to find them.<< I thought of this, too - but I had assumed casting agents might be a little tight with info. No harm in trying, I s'pose. Thanks. Ron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tipsydave@aol.com Subject: (exotica) (Exotica) Brother Theodore Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:50:31 EST In a message dated 3/15/01 5:21:14 PM, azed@pathcom.com writes: << At 09:50 PM 3/15/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: >Who is brother Theodore? Somebody find a Brother Theodore website for Magnus. There must be a better one than this one. http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0499/brother.theodore1.asp Or if you had $100 you could buy this on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1415950137 >> How about this one? http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Academy/8135/ -dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) Tipsy review from Aquarius records Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:55:57 -0500 TIPSY "Uh-Oh!" (Asphodel) cd 14.98 It would be easy to dismiss this record as more nostalgic "space age bachelor pad" music tailor-made for today's Cosmopolitan-imbibing yuppies, but Tipsy deserve more than that. Sure, they're obviously huge fans of such acknowledged geniuses as early synth experimentalists / producers Raymond Scott, Joe Meek, and Perrey & Kingsley, as well as exotica pros Arthur Lyman, Martin Denny, and Les Baxter. All of those folks made their mark in the sixties or prior, but the smartasses in Tipsy know that while imitation is the sincerest flattery, it don't get you much street cred. So their weirdly successful millenial take on that music is to mix it up, layering genre upon genre, psychedelic synthesizer alongside birdcalls, squeaky toys, vintage organs, and inspired percussion. They do it pretty damn well. The sound is sometimes a little too exotica-"on-acid", and one occasionally feels the need to be more aurally challenged, as if they're some Holiday Inn bar band wasting their lives playing the tongue-in-cheek theme to I Dream of Jeannie when they're obviously capable of much more. (With esteemed Willie Winant, Joe Gore, and Ralph Carney guesting -- all of whom have turned in more challenging music than this -- you KNOW Tipsy is capable of more.) Nonetheless, you'd probably be better off listening to this than most of the other dreck that passes for "lounge music" these days. Fans of Cornelius and most of the artists mentioned above will likely appreciate this record. RealAudio: http://aquariusrecordsSF.com/audio/tipsysweet.rm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Freak Casting Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:44:01 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:05:21 -0800 >From: "Ron Grandia" >Subject: (exotica) freaks and geeks (not the TV show) > >I know you are the people who can help me in this regard: > >I need to contact talent agencies that specialize in human oddity. To whom >does one turn when one needs to hire an army of little people, or needs the >world's skinniest character actor, or an elderly trapeze artist? There is an agency that specializes in that. I can't remember the name of the lady who operates it, but she should be easy to find. Just check the casting section of the Hollywood Reporter Bluebook, or the LA Work Book. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:44:02 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:04:24 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling Vampirism > >At 03:35 PM 3/15/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: >> >>>a lot of this sample-based music uses music that a lot of us >>>would actually hate if we were to listen to the originals. >> >>I suspect that says a lot more about you than it does the original >>music. > >What the fuck do you mean by that? I meant that if you can say that you "probably hate" the music used as samples, it means you are judging the music based by something other than the quality of the music itself. A sample is *by definition* taken out of context... There's no way of telling whether the original context was valid or not. All of the original meaning has been stripped away. The only way you could possibly say that you hate something without hearing it in its original context is if you are talking about your own personal musical tastes. (ie: I don't like orchestral music, or I don't like black funk from the 70's.) That says more about you and your tastes than it does about the quality of the music being sampled. I didn't intend that as an insult or value judgement. I have personal tastes too, but that isn't what I am talking about when I say that most older music is better than most new music. >Something can make a good sample and not be "good" in any >other way. I would assume that to be obvious but apparently not. I'm afraid I don't understand that at all. If something is good enough to steal to use in ones' own song, it must have some sort of value. I've heard songs using sampled elements from everything from Prez Prado to James Brown. None of them do anything remotely as good with it as Prez Prado or James Brown did when they created the original music. Even the late 70's funk groove samples in hip-hop and dance music are better in their original Funkadelic or Rick James versions than they are in the meandering, loopy, structureless, sampled versions. >Are you telling me that no matter what, you're sure that you'd >prefer the original? Every time I've heard a sample of music that I am familiar with in its original context, I've found that I get more out of it in its original context than in it's chopped and minced form. Based on that, I guess the answer to your question would be yes. Filmmaking is no different. I can't tell you how many documentaries and "creative montages" I've turned the channel on because I would rather see the source material in its original form than have to sit through flashy videos with a "head cheese" approach to editing. Documentaries about film and music are the worst in this regard. It's astounding to me that someone could do a documentary on... say for instance Orson Welles... and then proceed to chop up and re-edit Welles's work to make it fit some synthesizer score they made up for it. Ken Burns should have presented full performances of great Jazz songs. Even without comment, 4 hours of straightforward music would have said more about the importance of Jazz in America than the 17 hours of blather and bleeding chunks of performances he did present. The problem is, no one believes in letting the original creator have control of the context that his work is seen in any more. If you're dead and gone, some "director" or "musician" is going to come along and "express his own creativity" all over your work. I think that sampling is at its core disrespectful, and a distortion of the original artist's intention. I think this is all going to change when copyright laws finally allow anyone to release works from the thirties and forties in their original context without paying ransom to MCA, Time-Warner and Viacom. The current corporate owners of classic music and films know that they can never compete with the standards of quality of the past. That's why they under-exploit old music and film or only release them in castrated slice and dice form. CDs of Furtwangler in the 40's or videos of Fats Waller's Soundies are head and shoulders above Andrew Lloyd Weber or rock videos on VH1, but the corporations will never give them the same marketing push. In the few exceptions to this, (ie: the Wizard of Oz, Gone With the Wind, Disney animated features) huge franchises have been built on the presentation of older works. There's no reason why this couldn't be done on a wider scale... except that it would make the new cranked out crap look bad by comparison. As a culture, we only remember what they let us remember. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obits] Joe Chisholm,Glenn Hughes,Benny Martin,Richard Stone Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:12:48 -0500 Joe Chisholm Jazz dancer and acrobat who combined speed with elegance Terry Monaghan Monday March 12, 2001 The Guardian The career of the American jazz dancer and acrobat, Joe Chisholm, who has died of cancer aged 75, began in 40s Harlem, took in many of the great swing bands, and flourished in Britain in the late 60s and 70s. Chisholm could bring an audience to him through jokes, impossibly fast cane moves, and elegant tap dance, all used in rapid succession, and influenced by his experience with the Crackerjacks black acrobatic act during the second world war. Hip hop's roots can be traced back to the likes of the Crackerjacks. They incorporated different strands of European and Arabic tumbling traditions into jazz dance, astonishing their original mentors and audiences when they toured Europe with their ability to always hit the beat while executing and completing somersaults. Born in Brooklyn, the teenage Chisholm made weekly treks on the A-train to Harlem's Savoy Ballroom, where he imbibed the litany of swing through evenings of hard lindy-hopping. In 1942, he formed an act with Jimmie "Tricky" Field and, in keeping with the then new cool ethos, they left behind the boisterous acrobatics and adopted a studied, nonchalant style. The new act lasted only a short while - Field was drafted - but a booking at Harlem's Apollo brought Chisholm to the notice of the Crackerjacks, who were looking for a new cane exponent, and Chisholm spent four years with the group. His baton-whirling provided another dimension to the group performance. He then turned solo and and had no problem finding work with some of the top bands of the time. From the mid-1950s he toured America, Europe and the Pacific Rim. His reputation led him to a revival of the Cotton Club Revue, featuring the Cab Calloway Orchestra. In 1968, Chisholm joined the musical, Lady Be Good, with Lionel Blair at London's Saville Theatre. He later appeared in the royal variety show, Bubbling Brown Sugar, the Al Jolson Story - and on the northern club circuit. Chisholm briefly returned to the US in 1972 but, back in Britain, joined an American expatriate jazz dance group. Later, a small-scale revival of the Cotton Club Revue enabled him to exert his charm on larger audiences again. By the mid-1980s, arthritis forced him to give up cane whirling, but he continued performing, even when it was only lunchtime spots in senior citizens' day centres. Joe Chisholm, dancer and acrobat, born April 25 1925; died January 30 2001 ------- Glenn Hughes, the leather-clad biker from campy 70's disco sensations 'The Village People', died March 4th at age 50. A performer to the end, Mr. Hughes reportedly requested to be buried in the leather and chain biker garb that he made famous as a member of the most flamboyant band of the disco era. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ws/20010312/en/village_people_s_leatherman_dies _1.html ---------- Bluegrass master fiddler Benny Martin died 3/13/01, of congestive heart failure at age 72. He was a veteran who had played with many seminal groups, including Bill Monroe's Blue Grass Boys and Flatt & Scruggs. He also fiddled on country records by Roy Acuff, Kitty Wells and others. ------- Thursday, March 15, 2001 Richard Stone; Won Emmys as Composer of Cartoon Music By ELAINE WOO, L.A. Times Staff Writer Richard Stone, an Emmy-winning composer of cartoon music for such Warner Bros. series as "Animaniacs" and "Pinky & the Brain," died of pancreatic cancer Friday at his West Hills home. He was 47. Stone was widely considered the modern-day successor of Carl Stalling, the legendary composer who wrote hundreds of wacky musical scores for such Warner Bros. classics as "Looney Tunes" and "Merrie Melodies" from the late 1930s to the 1950s. Stone helped to revive the Stalling tradition of using a full orchestra, synchronizing the music to characters' movements and employing musical effects to convey the Warner brand of cartoon humor--witty without being cute. He even composed on the same studio Steinway and conducted on the same stage that Stalling used. "I always try to keep the Stalling language going," he once told Daily Variety. "If something falls without a piano glissando, it doesn't fall. "We still use the xylophone for an eye blink and we still play 'The Lady in Red' when a character wears a red dress. We do this to honor Carl Stalling, but also to keep conversant with the Warner Bros. tradition." Stone grew up in Philadelphia watching "Looney Tunes" cartoons. He was exposed to music through his father, who played the piano, and his maternal grandfather, a music critic for the Philadelphia Inquirer. Stone studied cello and music theory at the Curtis Institute and Indiana University. After moving to California in 1980, he worked as a music editor for Maurice Jarre and other composers, then scored several movies, including the cult classics "Sundown: The Vampire in Retreat" and "Pumpkinhead." Although faithful to the Stalling legacy, Stone's cartoon music incorporated other styles, including rock 'n' roll, jazz, country and show tunes. Since 1994, he had won seven Emmys: two for the theme songs of "Animaniacs" and "Freakazoid," and five for music direction and composition on "Animaniacs" and "Histeria!" He also wrote the themes for "Pinky & the Brain," "Taz-Mania," "Road Rovers" and "The Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries." He is survived by two sons, Richard and Michael; a brother, David, of Burbank; a sister, Bonnie Sunstein, of Iowa City, Iowa; and his mother, Janet, of Jenkintown, Pa. Donations may be made to the Pancreatic Cancer Action Network, P.O. Box 1010, Torrance, CA 90505. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jim gerwitz" Subject: (exotica) Giulietta and Livia Soprano Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:36:04 -0800 The DVD of Fellini's Juliet of the Spirits is beautiful eye and ear candy. I've seen it on the shelves in Border's B&M for $13, Amazon says its unavailable, who knows? Unfortunately the sound is in occasionally harsh mono instead of stereo, but if you like hats, this is the movie to see. Fellini's Roma and Satyricon are scheduled for release on April 10, $14 at Amazon pre-order. Slept through Satyricon years ago and have never seen Roma so I have no opinion, you decide. The unreleased Fellini movie I REALLY want to see is "The Temptation of Dr. Antonio" segment of Boccacio '70, where a billboard with Anita Ekberg (advertising milk)comes to life - the attack of the 50-foot bombshell! Since it was condemned by the Catholic Legion of Decency, it was a must-see for this lad of 15. So I'm older than Colleen and younger than Larry. And how about that Russian housekeeper making off with dead Livia Soprano's huge record collection? Janice Soprano got very upset, because they were all in "mint" condition. Svetlana wouldn't give em back (cuz they were probably on eBay),so Janice swiped her artificial leg. Which reminds me and I'll recommend it here for about the 4th time, James Gandolfini has a funny supporting role in Perdita Durango aka Dance with the Devil, one of my favorite DVD's with Oscar-nominee Javier Bardem, Rosie Perez, and Screamin Jay Hawkins passing the hat at the Santeria services. They blast Tijuana Taxi on the radio while low-riding through, where else, Tijuana. A review: http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?id=525 Screamin J Psychotronic, off to watch Flash Gordon who is on his way to the planet Mongo. Man, two exotica digests a day, it's never been this busy in the 5 years I've been around. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 16 Mar 2001 01:16:06 -0500 At 08:44 PM 3/15/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: > >I'm afraid I don't understand that at all. If something is good >enough to steal to use in ones' own song, it must have some sort >of value. Yes it has value. Being "good" and having value are not the same thing. If I take a record and melt it and make it into an ashtray, it had value. That doesn't mean I would have enjoyed listening to it. In fact, obviously I didn't. I can't believe I'm still arguing with you. I guess I have nothing better to do than to let your black and white pronouncements push my buttons. Here's a classic: >Filmmaking is no different. I would rather see the source material in its >original form than have to sit through flashy videos with a >"head cheese" approach to editing. Documentaries about film >and music are the worst in this regard. It's astounding to >me that someone could do a documentary on... say for instance >Orson Welles... and then proceed to chop up and re-edit Welles's >work to make it fit some synthesizer score they made up for it. So I guess your approach would be: 1) Don't make a film about the "artist" at all. OR 2) Everytime you refer to one of their films/musical performances, you don't show anything or play anything. You simply tell the viewer where they can rent the video/buy the record you're referring to. or 3) The only good biography of Orson Welles would be about 50 hours long because it would have to include every film he directed or acted in, in its entirety. If you want to say "I don't like seeing excerpts", that's fine. But to say that the excerpt is inherently superior is... what's a nice way of saying "retarded". Mentally challenged. Have you ever seen a movie where IN the movie, they watch TV? I guess you're the guy saying "Hey wait a second. Don't cut away to the next scene. I want to see the rest of that TV show". I just keep thinking "The guy's kidding". Or some friend of mine has hired you to push my buttons. Or maybe BJ has come back as a man. Let me see if you've got this straight. You never like to see "clips". You never like to hear "excerpts". When you go to the theatre and they show previews, you're thinking "Either show us the whole damn movie or nothing at all". Maybe you've painted yourself into a corner with this position you're trying to defend. If you were to say that there's a kind of music that often uses "samples" and generally you don't like that kind of music, nobody could argue with that. But to say that the original is always superior to the thing which samples it, is just stubborn and unsupportable. What about spoken word samples? If you listen to a lot of these musical pieces which sample bits and pieces off records, you will come across a lot of bits of spoken word, originating in many cases from old instructional records, stereo test records, self-help, motivational, Christian records etc. Just imagine such a piece of music. Then imagine one of the stereo test records. "This should be coming from your left speaker". Which do you think you'd rather listen to? If your answer is "the stereo test record" then I promise you, I won't argue with you ever again. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!....... Date: 15 Mar 2001 23:10:02 -0800 > If Lenny Dee works well for washing dishes and paying bills, I wonder > how he'll be for grading papers--guess I'll give it a try. > > Clayton Yes, he is good for grading papers too... Christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Fabricated Music Date: 16 Mar 2001 09:44:42 +0100 (CET) citerar alan zweig : > > At 09:50 PM 3/15/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: > > > >Who is brother Theodore? > > Somebody find a Brother Theodore website for Magnus. Theodore, whose grisly humor starts out where Charles Addams' leaves off, refuses to be labeled monologist, raconteur, actor, pantomimist, Grand Guignol, or any specific type of entertainer. Actually, he's a combination of all, and his macabre and disconcerting humor has had audiences from California to New York alternately shuddering and rolling in the aisles. Theodore describes himself modestly as a "genius of the sinister." Others have tried to define his one-man show as "a combination of S.J. Perelman and Boris Karloff or Peter Lorre and the four Marx Brothers." In fact, no definition can be quite accurate. I am quite pleased Alan :) tank yo M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Poetic Justice Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:22:37 +0100 bigshot schrieb: > >Something can make a good sample and not be "good" in any > >other way. I would assume that to be obvious but apparently not. > > I'm afraid I don't understand that at all. If something is good > enough to steal to use in ones' own song, it must have some sort > of value. yes, but only because it gets a value in the new context as a sample. your answer only shows that you simply don't know how (electronic) musicians work today: I would guess that most samples come out of really obscure sources that you wouldn't want to listen to entirely. all they have is a weird little phrase that some musician believes to be valuable for a track s/he's working on. Of course one could try to rerecord that exact sound or phrase, but it would be a senseless effort, just as if you'd want to paint something, when a photo would serve the same needs. Sometimes, according to Dave, musicians just can't afford an entire orchestra, so sampling can also be seen as a form of poetic justice. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) fellini again - Intervista Date: 16 Mar 2001 09:41:04 -0000 Is this the one where they're making a film with Mastrionni, and decide to go and visit Anita Ekberg up in her hideaway in the hills? That scene is so beautiful, they're all in their fifties, dissipated, sitting around, and someone throws a sheet up into the air and it hangs there while the fountain scene from La Dolce Vita is projected onto it, with everyone young and beautiful, and then the sheet is whipped away again. Absolutely magical, one of my favourite pieces of film, and my first Fellini moment. Apologies for my poor spelling of Italian names.. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare mace say: Intervista (1987) A fanciful look back at his film career. Some may find it a bit too dewy eyed. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hodge" Subject: (exotica) KPM - list Date: 16 Mar 2001 08:54:51 -0000 Does anyone know where I can find a definitive (or a close to) list of the very collectable KPM releases from the late 60s/early 70s? De Wolfe, Amphonic & Telemusic would also be good. Thanks Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Re: nancy's narrative Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:15:35 +0100 "m.ace" schrieb: > > Just wondering... in Nancy Sinatra's narrative on that DVD, does she sa= y > anything about her short haircut on a couple of the songs? It makes me > wonder if her long hair was a wig. Or if those songs were shot later th= an > the rest of the songs. I can't remember hearing anything about that. She does mention her "stupi= d hair" a couple of times though; I guess she takes for granted that peop= le can tell when it's a wig, although I must say, her own hair does prett= y much look like a wig most of the time. The short hair is definitely a w= ig and that glam hair-do in the scenes with Deano too. You can best see w= hat's her own hair in that sequence with Sammy Davis in the photo studio.= She's mentioning how much trouble in public they got for the little kiss= you can see at the end of the photo shooting. Hard to belive today... On= e of the things mentioned in the narrative is that they burnt 475.000 Roy= al Crown Cola $$ for the entire show, that's an incredible amout of money= for '67. Still they often state, they couldn't afford this, couldn't aff= ord that - shooting 35 mm f.i. The film looks pretty damn well for 16 mm,= I must say, incredible material. And Nancy says that Friday's Child is h= er favorite Lee song. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Piero Cavina Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:11:19 +0100 At 17.21 15/03/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: >It is of significance also for us exoticats since the music is really good, >there are even some true "exotica" performances and mambo in it. (...) >Any other Fellini recommendations? I think that many Nino Rota soundtracks for Fellini would be of interest to the members of this list. Cam Original Soundtracks (http://www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com/) has reissued most of them is a series of excellent (and affordable) CDs. Besides the well-known works like "La dolce vita" and "Amarcord", I would recommend "Casanova", one of Fellini's most underrated movies from the 70s, which is instead an incredible visual experience, and has one of the best Rota's scores ever. I can't wait for a DVD of it. -- Ciao, \ P. \ PGP public key available. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Lee and Nancy films Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:33:30 +0100 (CET) Some Lee Hazelwood videos has been released in Sweden: Cowboy in Sweden, =95 Lee & Nancy in Las Vegas =95 M=E5 v=E5rt hus f=F6rs= konas=20 fr=E5n tigrar (in eng. May our house be safe fom Tigers) They can probably be purchased from www.klubbsuper8.com, write them a=20 mail, they are passionate about these things.=20 Its PAL Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) nancy and lee again again Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:34:26 -0000 I have an LP called 'Did you ever' (white cover), by Nancy and Lee that has Lee mocking his own guitar playing and ending with him saying 'can I go back to Sweden now?', scrambling footsteps and a door (or was that my imagination?). Apart from 'Did you ever?', which is an OK double entendre hit from my childhood, it has 'Down from Dover', and 'Red balloon' which I really rate. Its funny but I now have a few of Hazlewoods solo LP's and the LP's with Nancy, and I find the Lee and Nancy LP's tend to have darker stuff. As well as the really light pop music. A contrast which I don't find in his own records. Not to the same extent. I'm garbling, better go do some work. Mo, most of Lees LP's have been re-issued (legitimately!) on Sounds Like Records in the last couple of years. Vinyl and CD. And a new LP last year (I'm not even going to think about the title without it in front of me). El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare mo said No, it's great. Not AS great as No.1, but if you're at least slightly a fan, you gotta have this. It has this little talk between Nancy and Lee, where he says, he's now going to Sweden etc. All Lee Hazlewood albums are kind of obscure, has any of them been reissued at all? I guess the most underestimated singer/songwriter of the 20th century HAS to be obscure. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Mary Mayo Date: 16 Mar 2001 13:51:58 +0100 (CET) This is how Mary Mayo looked in 1951: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1416406751 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross Orr Subject: (exotica) Re: Sampling (again) Date: 16 Mar 2001 08:52:54 -0500 Alan wrote: >Something can make a good sample and not be "good" in any other way. I >would assume that to be obvious but apparently not. >There's three piano notes at the beginning of some generic cha cha tune. >Someone takes that and repeats them and mixes in rhythm and gives it a >groove Excellent point! This is a tangent, but I can't help thinking about the struggle photography had when it was young, to be accepted as a true art form. Compared to painting & drawing, some critics thought it was just cheating, because photographers weren't doing any "real" work--they were just mechanically recording something Out There. Of course today I think people recognize that photographers actually go through an *enormous* process of searching, selecting, framing, contextualizing, finding the "decisive moment," bending the technical rules to heighten emotional impact, etc. In the end photography is hardly any "easier" than sitting down with a blank piece of paper and drawing something. It's interesting to think about how many of those points translate directly to the art of sampling. Mo and Magnus will also point out that photography certainly did not kill off drawing and painting! We have both. And we can appreciate both, each on their own terms. . . Peace, man, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gingerich Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Filmmaking / Fellini Date: 16 Mar 2001 09:21:13 -0500 Okay yet another thread that won't die. As for sampling in filmmaking, I LOVE found film and collage stuff, ie what Bruce Conner does with old softcore, industrial films, atomic bomb footage- like in the classic 'America is Waiting' (music by Byrne/Eno) piece, or stuff in the Devo vid for 'Beautiful World' or whatever. Or for that matter art age from the early 20th century- Max Ernst deconstructions of old novels, Picasso with newspaper, any of the german stuff critical of WW1 and industrialism blah blah I have more of a problem when the references are hidden or cloaked- ie, Tarantino referencing all sorts of early movies (like 'Point Blank in 'Pulp Fiction')- do you have to get the references to enjoy the movie? Is it a sign of noncreativity? or an ironic creativity? Oh yeah, Fellini- I recommend 'Spirits of the Dead' a trilogy of 3 directors (Vadim, watch the lovely B. Bardot get her back whipped; Malle, a ho-hummer featuring Alain Delon, and finally with Terence Stamp (ugh) toodling around in a red ferrari, but there is a great surreal middle part involving an awards ceremony and awesome organ music from master Rota.....you wont even need the bong hits for this one....see below for a little snippet revies from imdb) thanx for reading pg Which is as anyone approaching the final story should be. This is dystopic, nihilist theatre at its best. While certainly some of Fellini's traditional themes/images are evident (paparazzi, tragically and _almost_ unbelievably unfulfilled people, and gaudy overpainted women) this segment is an orgiastic zero which filled me with disgust and awe. In some ways, this is the section that is both the most cinematically impressive and the most repugnantly ego-centric. Poe did not live in the time of Ferrari's, airports, televisions and escalators, and yet this 'videodromesque' segment is squarely set in the 1970s. On the other hand, the Ferrari substitutes nicely for a horse, and melting TV screens will work as substitutes for Poe's affected prose. Since Poe was, after all, a drunk who was received much better in Europe than in the U.S. (believe it or not), I think Fellini remains largely on target. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) KPM - list Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:52:33 +0100 This is my "amateur KPM discograpgy". Hardly comprehensive, but better than nothing... KPM 1028 lp 1968 Various Miniature moods KPM 1085 lp 1971 Merrick Farran,W./E. Vetter Electronic music KPM 1092 lp 1971 Scott,Johnny Todays achievements/Topical events KPM 1127 lp 1973 Various Happy rainbows KPM 1243 lp 1980 Vorhaus,Dave The Vorhaus sound experiments KPM 1245 lp 198? Various Archive series vol.1:light atmosphere KPM 1246 lp 198? Various Archive series vol.2:drama KPM 1297 lp 198? Various Archive series vol.3:light hearts KPM 1298 lp 1983 Various Archive series vol.4:newsreels Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) KPM - list Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:11:32 -0000 Does anyone know where I can find a definitive (or a close to) list of the very collectable KPM releases from the late 60s/early 70s? De Wolfe, Amphonic & Telemusic would also be good. Good luck! You're going to find this very very very difficult. For instance I know that certain numbers on the Montparnasse series are excellent. No 7 is blinding. But one man's blinding is another man's disco crap. Whenever I've been offered library records that I've been recommended, I would always insist on a listen first - even over the phone. And most dealers I know that collect and sell library LPs know that they sell for a LOT! So you won't find them cheap unless you search and search. I'd be keen for selling all mine for 'dealer' prices now because most of them only have one or two good tracks on Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) nancy and lee again again Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:17:20 -0500 >I have an LP called 'Did you ever' (white cover), by Nancy and Lee that has >Lee mocking his own guitar playing and ending with him saying 'can I go back >to Sweden now?', scrambling footsteps and a door (or was that my >imagination?). Apart from 'Did you ever?', which is an OK double entendre >hit from my childhood, it has 'Down from Dover', and 'Red balloon' which I >really rate. Interesting... sounds like that album is "Nancy & Lee Again" retitled for the hit (UK-only hit?). And you remember the ending correctly. That's "Got It Together". --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:06:33 -0500 >I think that sampling is at its core disrespectful, >and a distortion of the original artist's intention. that is funny, i feel it is the total opposite. i sample things i have great respect for. i am not distorting the original artist's intention because with sound collages, I am the artist, with an intention of making a interesting piece of work out of many. the sampled item is the means, not the end, therefore there is no way i can be distorting any other artists intention since that has nothing to do with what i am doing. their piece remains their piece in all its glory. mine, obviously, will have my intention, glorious or not. i don't feel sampling is illegal or stealing. some of us are not musicians and will never be, but technology and taste has evolved (or devolved, however you wanna stand on it) to a point we can make music using existing sounds we find exciting no matter where they come from. i would like to think it takes some sort artistic talent, and appreciation to do this. as with everything it can be done badly or uncreatively but it can also be done wonderfully with genius. (my props to tipsy dave once again) my point is that everything is its own entity, which cannot be distorted. to think that i am, is distorting MY intentions as a artist or creator. on the other hand. sampled music does not have to be made of other music either, it could be sampled noise, speech etc. am i distorting the intention of nature when i sample a thunderstorm? or the distorting the intention of the trashman when i sample his trash truck munching garbage? probably so, and what does it matter? i am about celebrating sounds, not disrespecting them. its early and i have had no sleep excuse my intention of trying to communicate. cheers y'all bump ps. i do agree wholeheartedly about your documentary film opinions. pss. what about words and the intentions of authors??? what if i use a part of a sentence from a William Burroughs story to create a lyric in a song or the title of a track? is this illegal or disrespectful? don't think so. he could have created it from a cut up (sample) from someone elses book. Brion Gysin maybe! i really gotta stop now. ****************************************************** ***************************** ************* DJ Bump "Primitive Rhythms for Evolved Minds" Defective Records-Executive Producer bump@defectiverecords.com http://www.defectiverecords.com "Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) fellini again - Intervista Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:18:42 -0500 >Is this the one where they're making a film with Mastrionni, and decide to >go and visit Anita Ekberg up in her hideaway in the hills? Yes. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:22:48 -0500 >Besides the well-known works like "La dolce vita" and "Amarcord", I would >recommend "Casanova", one of Fellini's most underrated movies from the >70s, which is instead an incredible visual experience, and has one of the >best Rota's scores ever. I can't wait for a DVD of it. Oh yeah! I blanked out on that one. It has an amazing intentionally stagy look. Very lavish. It got a bad critical reception, but who cares. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jonathan richardson" Subject: RE: (exotica) KPM - list Date: 16 Mar 2001 07:45:42 -0800 >This is my "amateur KPM discograpgy". Hardly comprehensive, but better than >nothing... >KPM 1243 lp 1980 Vorhaus,Dave The Vorhaus sound experiments this one interests me a bit. Dave Vorhaus was the man behind White Noise which put out one my all time fav electronic albums called "An Electrical Storm" . I didnt know he did anything else after White Noise. Looks like the search is on!! 1980 is right about at my cutoff date for a lot of electronic music I listen to other than Kraftwerk. Thanks Marco!!! I have a couple of KPM comps and for the most part they are very good. love that Alan Hawkshaw!! -jonny _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obits] assorted links Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:04:45 -0500 http://lonnieglosson.com/lg.htm Lonnie Glosson Mr. Harmonica 14 February 1908 - 2 March 2001 ================== http://www.mtv.com/sendme.tin?page=/news/articles/1441608/20010313/story.jhtml Glenn Hughes ,Village People ======== http://www.latimes.com/obituary/20010311/t000021506.html Frankie Carle; Big Band Leader ==== http://www.country.com/music/news/newswire/benny-martin-0301-f.html Fiddler Supreme Benny Martin Dead at 72 ====== http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20010312/t000021830.html T. McMichael; Last of the Merry Macs Founders === http://www.star-telegram.com/news/doc/1047/1:METRO21A/1:METRO21A0313101.html Bluesman Robert Ealey laid to rest with honors; Musician, mentor eulogized # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) Dave Vorhaus Date: 16 Mar 2001 16:08:41 -0000 The man himself did three White Noise LPs - An Electric Storm in Hell is superb! He also worked at the BBC Radiophonic Workshop and is a pioneer of electronic music. Lots of TV/BBC noises were down to him including the Dr Who theme (I think) - not as composer but as a provider of eerie sounds. That KPM LP is one of several by him. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) KPM ambisonic recordings Date: 16 Mar 2001 11:34:03 -0500 http://personal.riverusers.com/~manderso/uhjdisc/ambikpm.htm Here's the URL for a short discography of KPM Ambisonic (a surround sound process) recordings. Try this for more links: http://www.google.com/search?q=kpm+discography lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bonita Kelso Subject: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert Date: 16 Mar 2001 08:58:01 -0800 (PST) In the middle of all this discussion about the ins and outs of sampling, I heard the most wonderful, horrible thing on the radio (I was twiddling around. That's my excuse): Some unknown rap artist (if anyone knows who, holler) yapping about his own bad ghetto stud self over a slowed down (think a 45 RPM played at 33 1/3) version of Herb Alpert's "Rise." Brother, even if you are pro-sample, that's just LAME. When I record MY hardcore rap EP I'm gonna use the Living Marimbas at 16 RPM! still amazed, Li'l Bonita __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) Dave Vorhaus Date: 16 Mar 2001 18:08:12 +0100 Charles wrote: > The man himself did three White Noise LPs - An Electric Storm in Hell is > superb! THe latest issue of Record Collector (a British magazine) has a review of 'Sound mind' by White Noise V. Apparently a failry recent release by Vorhaus. The 'V' stand for five, I guess - so maybe there are five White Noise albums? > That KPM LP is one of several by him. Correct. Brian Karasick sent me a tape of another one (I have the 'Sound experiments' myself). Brian, what was the title of that album? Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) Mary Mayo Date: 16 Mar 2001 09:09:36 -0800 (PST) I read the liner notes on the back of a clasical record, with a rather dressed up picture (shakespearian) of Mary Mayo and 2 other classical singers. M M had a career as a classical singer and appeared on late night talk shows, like Jack Paar according to these notes. Is Mary Mayo still alive? Besides Moon Gas, one of my all time favorite albums, what else is M M on that is cool? Thanks Chuck > --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: > > This is how Mary Mayo looked in 1951: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1416406751 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) Mary Mayo Date: 16 Mar 2001 17:34:04 -0000 You know what - I'm pretty sure that Mary Mayo is one of the Hillside Singers - a mushy religious LP I bought in Florida. I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, etc etc. I'll check this weekend. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: RE: (exotica) Mary Mayo Date: 16 Mar 2001 18:49:47 +0100 (CET) citerar Charles Moseley : > > You know what - I'm pretty sure that Mary Mayo is one of the Hillside > Singers - a mushy religious LP I bought in Florida. I'd like to teach the > world to sing in perfect harmony, etc etc. > > I'll check this weekend. I bidded on a record call "The MGM strings" the singer was Mary Mayo, I didnt know anything about it, but I had a hunch it was good, and often my hunches are correct, at least for me. So anyone who has it please tell me cause the record was long gone. She recorded three christmas albums as well, I have tried to locate some copies but still none. Moon Gas is one of my favorites too, Chuck. It is truly fantastic. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Piero Cavina Subject: RE: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:14:44 +0100 At 19.45 15/03/01 +0100, Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek wrote: >Andr=E9 Popp did a cover version of one of the tunes from that movie. I'd= have >to look up the title, but it was written by Nino Rota. Snakefinger did a cover too, the tune was "Shining faces". -- Ciao, \ P. \ PGP public key available.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Piero Cavina Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:14:47 +0100 At 00.09 16/03/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote: >Is there any Fellini film that Nino Rota DIDN'T make the music for? Obviously.. any film made after Rota's death..! I think that the first was "La citt=E0 delle donne", the music was by Luis= =20 Bacalov. Fellini said that it sounded exactly like Rota :) -- Ciao, \ P. \ PGP public key available.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Re: sampling debate Date: 16 Mar 2001 10:35:26 -0800 To me, an example of a "bad" sample in a song is when it is so long, you can easily figure out what it is, and then you find yourself wanting to hear the original song the sample came from. That's my only contention. A group like Tipsy does good things with samples. Quite a number of hip-hop groups, and very inept "ambient" musicians do bad things with samples. Mr. Unlucky -- Mr. Unlucky presents Shoot To Kill, a weekly set of jazz, soundtrack music, Now Sound, and the occasional foray into international territory on Supersphere.com, Thursdays 1-2 p.m. (CST). Many past sets are archived for future listening pleasure. http://www.supersphere.com Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tipsydave@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Dave Vorhaus Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:46:36 EST In a message dated 3/16/01 8:07:17 AM, charlesm@contentrepublic.com writes: << He also worked at the BBC Radiophonic Workshop and is a pioneer of electronic music. Lots of TV/BBC noises were down to him including the Dr Who theme (I think) - not as composer but as a provider of eerie sounds. >> The way I heard it, it was Delia Derbyshire (from White Noise-An Electric Storm) who played (and improvised some of) the Dr Who theme, but who knows? -dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica)sampling debate Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:46:22 EST I have always liked sampling, even from the mid 8T's when JB's grunts were everywhere to rap's using a lick of an old soul favorite to rap over, to today's loungecore/breakbeat sampling. The music of Ursala 1000 is my favorite modern sampling, although I don't have the Tipsy LP from a few years back. Mose Allison once said that every singer really has only one song. Every other song is a new arrangement of the basic song the singer presents. Following that line, many good songs have really one or two essential hooks. I know, I know, what about the bridge, the choruses, all the other stuff... But when the good hooks are extracted and used in a new context I find it exciting. Even a short Perez Prado shout adds excitement to a new song. ..A good horn lick from an old mambo rekkid weaves another layer onto the groove. It also gives respect to the original imho. Not long ago on this list someone compared todays sampling on top of new beats to a couple of art movements from days gone by....I'd like to hear that one again because it seems that sampling has that same context. Was it the Dadaist Movement?...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: Re: (exotica)sampling debate Date: 16 Mar 2001 16:01:43 -0500 Not long ago on this list someone >compared todays sampling on top of new beats to a couple of art movements >from days gone by....I'd like to hear that one again because it seems that >sampling has that same context. Was it the Dadaist Movement?...JB could have been me. seems i always blurt out opinions when this issue arises since i find it extremely bogus that people always say sampling is lame, stealing and wrong etc. i did compare it to photo collage by the dadaists once. alan just mentioned photo collage as well. another example would be dadaist extrordinaire Marcel Duchamp and his FOUNTAIN sculpture, which was nothing but a URINAL turned upside down with the word "Fountain" written on it. a perfect example of lifting someone elses work to another level or context. using the design and intent of someone else and twisting it into a artistic idea of your own. the importance of this is that ART it is the IDEA, not what it is made of. bump descending the staircase # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) (Exotica) Brother Theodore Date: 16 Mar 2001 13:25:58 -0800 (PST) Out of curiosity: Didn't Brother Theodore play the role of the elder Klopek in The 'Burbs? --- Tipsydave@aol.com wrote: ===== "What I need is a shot of Drambuie and some clean sheets." - Jack Nance __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) (Exotica) Brother Theodore Date: 16 Mar 2001 16:31:21 -0500 Ben Waugh wrote: > Out of curiosity: Didn't Brother Theodore play the role of the elder Klopek in The 'Burbs? -------------- aka Uncle Reuben Klopek You are correct, sir! lousmith@pipeline.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Grandia" Subject: RE: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert Date: 16 Mar 2001 13:44:11 -0800 >>>Brother, even if you are pro-sample, that's just LAME.<<< Well there ya go... It's funny that when folks start choosing sides, it gets hard to give any concession to the other viewpoint. I have to believe that most "anti-samplers" have formed their opinion based on experience. A lot of the remix stuff out there is repetitive, unimaginitive TRIPE. But that just goes to illustrate my feelings on the matter: It's hard to do well, and that's why it's art. It's easy to shoot at an art-form by pointing to it's misuse. It's amighty big target. Ron "Rollin' with my homies" Grandia # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tipsydave@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert Date: 16 Mar 2001 17:14:22 EST In a message dated 3/16/01 9:02:03 AM, bonitakelso@yahoo.com writes: << Some unknown rap artist (if anyone knows who, holler) yapping about his own bad ghetto stud self over a slowed down (think a 45 RPM played at 33 1/3) version of Herb Alpert's "Rise." Brother, even if you are pro-sample, that's just LAME. >> That would be the notorious BIG. It's a puff daddy production, so of course it's lame. I don't use Herb Alpert samples, myself, because I heard that he objects to being sampled. I do remember hearing a rap number that plunders "the Lonely Bull" that I actually liked, though. -dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) More slicing and dicing Date: 16 Mar 2001 15:45:38 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 01:16:06 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals > >I guess I have nothing better to do than to let your black and white >pronouncements push my buttons. I'm not trying to make you mad. If you're getting upset, just move on to something else. I'm just discussing music here. >So I guess your approach would be: >1) Don't make a film about the "artist" at all. >2) Everytime you refer to one of their films/musical performances, you >don't show anything or play anything. >3) The only good biography of Orson Welles would be about 50 hours long >because it would have to include every film he directed or acted in, in its >entirety. I choose none of the above. A good documentary on an artist would include biographical information, interviews and critical comment. But it would also include enough of the art itself *in its own context* for the viewer who isn't familiar with it to get an idea of what it's all about. That doesn't mean that you have to show all of Welles's films in their entirety. It just means you have to show intact segments with the original soundtrack. The approach I don't agree with is when they make alphabet soup montages of fifteen frame bits from all of the films randomly edited to the beat of irrelevant music with people talking in voice over over the top of it. A LOT of documentaries I see are like that. A good documentary film director is transparent. He doesn't allow his own creativity to act as a barrier between the viewer and the subject. MTV style editing may be applicable to rock videos and commercials, but it's no way to make a documentary. >If you were to say that there's a kind of music that often uses >"samples" and generally you don't like that kind of music, >nobody could argue with that. That's a matter of taste. I do have personal tastes in music and film, but that isn't what I'm talking about here. >But to say that the original is always superior to the thing which >samples it, is just stubborn and unsupportable. As I said... every time I've heard music using samples from tunes I am familiar with, I feel that the person doing the sampling produced nothing more worthwhile and valid than the original artist who created the music in the first place did. When I read a review posted here saying that a particular CD uses samples from Martin Denny, Les Baxter, Arthur Lyman and Raymond Scott, EVEN WITHOUT HEARING IT, I feel pretty safe in saying that it would be just about impossible for the group of musicians who produced that CD to create something better than all of their sources. That list of artists includes some of the greatest and most innovative musicians of the fifties, and in Raymond Scott's case, of all time. I'm sure the editing is clever, and it "works" musically. But there would have to be a lot more than just clever editing going on for it to be better than Les Baxter, Martin Denny, Raymond Scott and Arthur Lyman. >What about spoken word samples? If you take Shakespere's sonnets and remove them from their original context, it would be the exact same thing. >If you listen to a lot of these musical pieces which sample bits >and pieces off records, you will come across a lot of bits of spoken >word, originating in many cases from old instructional records, >stereo test records, self-help, motivational, Christian records etc. In that case, where the original being sampled was never intended to be any sort of creative product, taking it out of context might be funny or an amusing non-sequiter. But I can't see how "garbage in" could lead to that much more than "garbage out". Maybe if you were doing a film like Atomic Cafe, you could use stuff like that to make a point, but even Atomic Cafe had large chunks of ephemeral films presented in their original context. Those were the parts of the film that made the point the best. A good example of using non-sequiter bits is David Byrne and Brian Eno's My Life In The Bush of Ghosts. But the quality of the music isn't rooted in the snippets of religious radio broadcasts. Those could be taken out of the mix, and it would still stand on its own. And to answer your question before you ask it, when I listen to that album I *do* wish I could hear the radio snippets in their original context. (Particularly the Arab singer.) See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 16 Mar 2001 19:00:55 -0500 At 10:06 AM 3/16/01 -0500, buMp wrote: > >ps. i do agree wholeheartedly about your documentary film opinions. I'm not sure who you're agreeing with here bump. But somehow I assume you meant the other guy, the guy who doesn't like to see or hear "excerpts" of the subject's work in a documentary. Far be it from me to defend Ken Burns and his artless "gather excerpts and explain" style of filmmaking. But certainly that style is effective. It can be annoying but at the very least, you'd have to call it a "necessary evil". What about art books? It's true that it would be much better to see the paintings at their original size. In fact, you could make the argument that shrinking the size of a painting to fit it in a book so severely distorts the artist's intentions that it would be better if we never saw this "representation" at all. And I might almost agree. Except then we'd have no art books, no photography books and no films about artists or photographers or musicians or chefs or candlestickmakers. I'm not sure how these two issues got conflated into one. (is that the proper use of the word "conflate"?) Sampling images or music for what is in essence a "collage", is really nothing like excerpting pieces of music to illustrate a point in a documentary. I could give you a thousand silly arguments to illustrate the point that documentarians have no choice but to use that technique. It's like a cooking show. They show you how they prepare it and then for the sake of time, they pull one out of the oven that's already been cooking. Surely you don't say "Hey I wanted to watch it cooking". Or maybe you do. If this list were simply a debating forum, it might be interested to debate HOW filmmakers choose to excerpt and sample. There are issues to debate there. For instance, I know one filmmaker who specialized in films about painters. Like me, he was sick of this technique for shooting paintings that almost everyone uses. The moves are so consistent, it's like they were done with a machine. And often they were. 90% of films about painting start with a closeup in the middle of the painting, then slide slightly to the right (or left) and gradually pull back till you see the whole painting. This guy decided never to do that. He just shows the whole painting, no camera moves or closeups. I loved that he did that. Not many filmmakers think about the "meaning" of the techniques they use. They just do them. And I guess the same thing can be said for "music samplers". I've heard some stuff where it seemed like they just threw in a sample, not because they needed to or because it was integral to the piece but simply "because they could". Jesus, this is a huge topic. I could ask that anyone who replies to my post, please refrain from excerpting any phrase or sentence since it will inherently distort my meaning and the beauty of my work. But I won't. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) I'm finished Date: 16 Mar 2001 19:26:43 -0500 Really I am. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) Nancy and..... Frank Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:07:02 -0500 OK rather than do the research myself it's a lot easier to just ask here! How many recordings are there of Nancy and Frank Sinatra? "Nancy in London" has them doing "Life's A Trippy Thing". Anything else available? No easy answers at www.nancysinatra.com, but nice animation. check it out. Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/listen.html (On Real Audio) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: (exotica) Uh Oh Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:43:49 -0500 While we're on the subject... I got the new Tipsy today. It's no secret to this list how much I love Trip Tease - so I was really convinced that this one was never going to live up to my expectations. Happily, I was wrong, wrong, wrong - so far, it's every bit as good, if not better than Trip Tease (high praise indeed...) Definitely well worth the wait! One question for Tipsy Dave, though - didn't you say a while back that Sir Henry was doing some keyboard stuff on this one? Or didn't it end up getting used? ciao, cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Re: Re: finer with age? Date: 16 Mar 2001 08:27:16 -0600 Larry wrote: A mere child. I'm a few summers ahead of you, Colleen. (But at least I'm still officially part of the Post-WWII Baby Boom!) ^^^^^^^^^^ THAT'S RIGHT..."BOOMERS" RULE! Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: Re: (exotica) More slicing and dicing Date: 16 Mar 2001 22:37:22 -0500 At 03:45 PM 3/16/01 -0800, Steve wrote: >As I said... every time I've heard music using samples from tunes >I am familiar with, I feel that the person doing the sampling >produced nothing more worthwhile and valid than the original artist >who created the music in the first place did. > Um, so where do re-mixes fit into all this? Especially when they've been commissioned by the original artist?? Lou (don't shoot me) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: RE: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert Date: 16 Mar 2001 22:42:50 -0500 At 01:44 PM 3/16/01 -0800, Ron wrote: > > I have to believe that >most "anti-samplers" have formed their opinion based on experience. A lot of >the remix stuff out there is repetitive, unimaginitive TRIPE. > >But that just goes to illustrate my feelings on the matter: It's hard to do >well, and that's why it's art. Doesn't this all just follow the "90% of everything is shit" rule? I mean, that's what's so easy about picking the good old stuff -- there's been more time for the cream to rise and the sediment to fall. Lou # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Nancy and..... Frank Date: 16 Mar 2001 22:47:52 -0500 >How many recordings are there of Nancy and Frank Sinatra? > >"Nancy in London" has them doing "Life's A Trippy Thing". Anything else >available? "Somethin' Stupid" --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obits] Sir Lancelot, Ann Sothern Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:10:31 -0500 From the Los Angeles Times: Lancelot V. Pinard, aka "Sir Lancelot," a well known calypso singer, born May 24, 1902, in Trinidad, died March 12, 2001, in Anaheim. He appeared in 16 Hollywood films (including "Two Yanks In Trinidad," "Curse of the Cat People," "Buccaneer," and many more), and wrote over 200 songs. Survived by three children, eight grandchildren, fifteen great-grandchildren, six great-great-grandchildren, and nine younger brothers and sisters and their families. He was preceded in death by his wife of 57 years, Marie. ==== Ann Sothern, TV's `Private Secretary,' dies at 92 By BOB THOMAS .c The Associated Press LOS ANGELES (AP) - Ann Sothern, the blond beauty who starred as the movies' wisecracking ``Maisie'' and as the busybody Susie McNamara in the 1950s TV series ``Private Secretary,'' has died at her Idaho home. She was 92. Sothern died late Thursday of heart failure at her home in Ketchum, Idaho, said her spokesman, Mike Kaplan. An accomplished singer as well as comedian, Sothern appeared in MGM musicals such as ``Lady Be Good'' and ``Panama Hattie.'' She was in a second TV series, ``The Ann Sothern Show,'' as the assistant manager of a plush New York hotel. Sothern's film career spanned six decades and included 64 movies and more than 175 TV episodes. Only in 1988 did she win recognition from the Motion Picture Academy. She was nominated for an Oscar as supporting actress in ``The Whales of August,'' which also starred veterans Bette Davis, Lillian Gish and Vincent Price. ``She was one of those people who I think was never, ever appreciated in her own time,'' Robert Osborne, a columnist for The Hollywood Reporter and host of Turner Classic Movies cable TV network, said on Friday. ``There was nothing she couldn't do. Light comedy was her forte, but she also was a good singer and the camera loved her.'' Her first Columbia film was the lightweight 1934 musical ``Let's Fall in Love.'' She followed with more undemanding roles at Columbia and RKO, where she and another contract player, Lucille Ball, commiserated over their lack of progress. After RKO dropped her, Sothern waited a year until she could find a worthy role. ``Trade Winds'' in 1939 offered her sophisticated comedy (dialogue by Dorothy Parker) and brought rave reviews and an MGM contract. Her first MGM film, ``Maisie,'' had been designed for Jean Harlow, who had died in 1937. It cast Sothern as a flip one-time burlesque dancer with a warm heart and a failing for man trouble. Said Variety: ``She's sexy, smart and resourceful - and decidedly likable throughout.'' The film was a hit and led to nine more ``Maisies'' between 1939 and 1947. MGM also starred her in musicals and comedies such as ``Dulcy,'' ``Words and Music,'' ``Three Hearts for Julia,'' ``Thousands Cheer'' and ``Fast and Furious.'' In ``Lady Be Good'' she sang Kern-Hammerstein's ``The Last Time I saw Paris,'' which won the 1941 Academy Award as best song. After leaving MGM, she proved herself as a serious actress in Joseph Mankiewicz's ``A Letter to Three Wives,'' Oscar winner for best picture of 1949. A siege of hepatitis kept her out of acting for a year, then in 1952 she launched her television career with ``Private Secretary.'' ``Like all the other stars at MGM, I had been living in a glass cage,'' she said after facing the rigors of TV schedules. ``Life was beautiful there; everything was done for us. I had forgotten what real work was.'' ``Private Secretary,'' in which she played the nosy Susie McNamara, was an immediate success, lasting from 1953 to 1957. The star quit after a dispute with the producer, and in 1958 she began ``The Ann Sothern Show,'' playing an assistant manager of a big-city hotel. She worked at the former RKO studio, newly owned by Ball and Desi Arnaz. After the series faded in 1961, movie roles became scarce, studios being wary of hiring TV stars. Wanting to return to serious roles, she studied drama with Stella Adler and then played a prostitute in ``Lady in a Cage,'' a political busybody in ``The Best Man,'' a blowzy has-been in ``Sylvia.'' Her other films included ``Chubasco,'' ``The Killing Mind,'' ``Golden Needles'' and ``Crazy Mama.'' She also had one more recurring role in a TV series, a most unusual one: She was the voice of the woman reincarnated as an antique auto in the 1965-66 sitcom ``My Mother the Car.'' She was born Harriette Lake in Valley City, N.D., on Jan. 22, 1909. Her mother sang in concerts, and as a youngster Harriette learned piano and trained as a lyric soprano. Harriette was 6 when her father deserted the family, and her mother moved her three daughters to Minneapolis, and later Los Angeles. Harriette made her film debut in Warner Bros.' early talkie, ``The Show of Shows,'' in 1929. After a few small roles, she went to Broadway for the musicals ``Smiles,'' ``Everybody Welcome'' and ``America's Sweetheart.'' She was appearing in ``Of Thee I Sing'' when Columbia Pictures signed her. Columbia boss Harry Cohn decided there were too many Lakes in movies. She became Ann Sothern, taken from her mother's first name and the distinguished actor E.H. Sothern. Sothern was plagued with health problems in later years. In 1974, a fake tree fell on her during a play, fracturing a vertebra and damaging nerves to her legs. Years of operations and treatments followed. She was married to bandleader-actor Roger Pryor from 1936 to 1942 and to actor Robert Sterling from 1943 to 1949. Both marriages ended in divorce. Sothern moved to 1984 to Ketchum, where she had visited to ski since the 1940s. Her only child, actress Tisha Sterling, had a house nearby and was with her when she died. KETCHUM, Idaho (Reuters) - Actress Ann Sothern, who during 70 years in show business moved from bit-parts and B-movies to becoming an Oscar-nominated leading lady and star of her own television series, has died of heart failure, associates said on Friday. She was 92 years old. Sothern, who started in Hollywood as an extra and spent a decade as a B-movie regular, became a major star after playing the lead role in 1939's "Maisie," an MGM film about the adventures of an energetic showgirl that was originally intended for Jean Harlow. Sothern captured the street-smart, independent title character so well that MGM made nine more "Maisie" movies, one of the studio's most successful series and one that transformed Sothern into a household name and a feminist icon. She capitalized on that image with two 1950's television shows, "Private Secretary" and "The Ann Sothern Show," which ran until 1961 and featured Sothern as the first working woman to appear in a situation comedy. Sothern earned five Emmy nominations for the two shows, which she produced, and won a Golden Globe award. The actress then lent her voice to the 1960's sitcom "My Mother the Car." Sothern spent much of the 1970s and 80s in semi-retirement, but returned in 1987 to star alongside fellow screen legends Lillian Gish, Bette Davis and Vincent Price in "The Whales of August," for which she received her first Academy Award nomination. Born Harriette Lake in Valley City, North Dakota, in 1909, the young actress got her start singing in stage productions and filled mostly bit parts until Columbia Pictures signed her to a contract in 1934 and changed her name. Sothern spent the rest of the decade acting in such films as "The Hell-Cat," "Eight Bells," and two movies opposite Gene Raymond, "Hooray for Love" and "The Smartest Girl in Town." She starred alongside Edward G. Robinson and Humphrey Bogart in "Brother Orchid," winning critical acclaim. Sothern, who was divorced from actor-musician Roger Pryor and actor Robert Sterling, is survived by her daughter and a sister. A mass is scheduled for her at Our Lady of the Snows Church in Ketchum on March 23. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TempoBlock@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: CD with lots o' samples ?? Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:22:21 EST In a message dated 3/17/01 12:15:57 AM, owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com writes: ... > I read a review posted here saying that a particular CD uses >samples from Martin Denny, Les Baxter, Arthur Lyman ... Hey, what's this CD called? THANKS! . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:24:59 -0500 > i do agree wholeheartedly Regarding the sampling debate .... I feel like Gilligan in the episode of "Gilligan's Island" where the Captain and the Professor are having an argument. The Captain makes a point, and Gilligan says "You know Captain, you're exactly right" Then the professor says something contrary, and Gilligan replies "You're exactly right too, Professor" Then the Captain says says to Gilligan ... "Gilligan, we both can't be right" and Gilligan's reply is "You know Captain, you're exactly right" and then I think of this quote ...... "Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river" - Cyril Connolly and I, at the moment, have nothing to add to the wisdom of Cyril and Gilligan just admiring the meanders as they flow by me, Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bonita Kelso Subject: (exotica) what have I done? Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:35:35 -0800 (PST) For the record (haw!), I wasn't trying to drag this whole sampling argument out when I mentioned the Herb Alpert fortified rap--I just thought that the bizarre fusion of mellow Latin-y disco and gangster rap was worth mentioning here of all places. In the future I'll keep my nose out of these deep topics and stick to the straightforward record talk. And on that note, could some kind-hearted person who isn't too busy possibly post the track listing to Pete Rugolo's "Behind Brigette Bardot" (I think it was on the Warner Brothers label)? I have an oddball pressing from France (with the gatefold, most likely the main reason the album was released in the first place, reduced to a mere wraparound cover), and have been wondering how the tracks match up with the original. many thanks, Bonita __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) [obits] Sir Lancelot, Ann Sothern Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:56:43 -0800 At 11:10 PM 16-03-01 -0500, it was written: >LOS ANGELES (AP) - Ann Sothern, the blond beauty who starred as the movies' >wisecracking ``Maisie'' and as the busybody Susie McNamara in the 1950s TV >series ``Private Secretary,'' has died at her Idaho home. She was 92. Didn't say anything about her recordings. I have one. The notes say she started out as a classical pianist (her Mom was an opera singer). The album is Sothern Exposure: Ann Sothern Sings, conducted and arranged by Ian Bernard, Tops L 1611. I wasn't bowled over by the album, but I'm glad it was made. Not sure if she did any others...probably not. Byron ___...--''''***^^^^^^""""""^^^^^***''''---___ "In the 50's the average human laughed 18 ||| minutes a day. In 2001 each human laughs only 6 minutes a day. Its time to return to our | 1950's laugh prosperity!" ||| ||| ---Byron "Chuckles" Caloz ||| |||bag AT hubris DOT net Portland, OR, USA||| """^^^'''***----...__________...----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Nancy and..... Frank Date: 16 Mar 2001 21:02:27 -0800 (PST) There's the famous duet "Something Stupid." I can get the name of the Frank Sinatra lp it appeared on later, if no one beats me to it. --- Domenic Ciccone wrote: > OK rather than do the research myself it's a lot > easier to just ask here! > > How many recordings are there of Nancy and Frank > Sinatra? > > "Nancy in London" has them doing "Life's A Trippy > Thing". Anything else > available? ===== "What I need is a shot of Drambuie and some clean sheets." - Jack Nance __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:00:22 -0500 >Any other Fellini recommendations? While we're on the subject of favourite Fellini films I'd like to throw my vote to my personal favourite, "City of Women". Don't know if its on DVD but certainly one of my favourites. Quite a comment on feminism to be sure! Like the best Fellini films, this one literally takes you a world that only the master could imagine... When I think of this film I can't help but think of another favourite but lesser known Italian director, Marco Ferreri, best known for the cult classic "La grande bouffe". I remember him presenting two films at our festival almost 15 years back that were positively "out of this world" and the guy looked to be at that time in his 60's. They're tough to find on video and for some reason what we find here is almost all French subtitled, but worth searching out if you're a fan of this stuff. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: RE: (exotica) Dave Vorhaus Date: 17 Mar 2001 00:24:33 -0500 Marco wrote: > > That KPM LP is one of several by him. > Correct. Brian Karasick sent me a tape of another one (I have the 'Sound > experiments' myself). Brian, what was the title of that album? It's called "Sleight of Mind" (KPM 1279, UK, 1982) - All sounds created on the Fairlight Computer Music Instrument. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert Date: 17 Mar 2001 00:27:42 EST In a message dated 3/16/01 2:15:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, Tipsydave@aol.com writes: << I don't use Herb Alpert samples, myself, because I heard that he objects to being sampled. I do remember hearing a rap number that plunders "the Lonely Bull" that I actually liked, though. -dave >> Was that the Evolution(ary?) Control Commitee's "Rebel without a Pause (Whipped Cream mixes)" 7" (where the vocals from Public Enemy's "Rebel..." was placed over our friend Herb) or another artist? Either way, even if you think that sampling is the work of Satan, you HAVE to check out this particular ECC 7". (and no I'm not in the band nor am I a friend or relative of anyone associated with same). They also have another 7" ("Rocked by Rape" featuring Dan Rather cut-ups over AC/DC samples) and various comp. tracks out there as well. -DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert Date: 16 Mar 2001 22:59:20 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Dj45rpm@aol.com > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 9:28 PM > They also have another 7" > ("Rocked by Rape" > featuring Dan Rather cut-ups over AC/DC samples) This also happens to be the most notorious of all Napster bombs (see http://evolution-control.com/culturejamming.html for more details) -- more so than the guy who inserts quacks into the .wav files before encoding them. Later, Ben np: lou's exoticaring tape, with the kids of ps 63, queens, telling us that we're very good friends with canada http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:14:15 -0800 itsvern@attglobal.net wrote: > I feel like Gilligan in the episode of "Gilligan's Island" where the Captain and > the Professor are having an argument. Sherwood Schwartz would be turning over in his grave (if he were dead)! Doesn't everyone know it was the **Skipper** not the Captain? Guess not... :-) -Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) what have I done? Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:41:43 +0100 Bonita Kelso schrieb: > "Behind Brigitte Bardot" :-) hee hee. the chauvi in me has to smile. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Dave Vorhaus Date: 16 Mar 2001 19:27:43 +0100 some of Dave Vorhaus' stuff can be found on a compilation from 1996 called Electronic Toys Vol.1 Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:19:35 +0100 Piero Cavina schrieb: > At 00.09 16/03/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote: > > >Is there any Fellini film that Nino Rota DIDN'T make the music for? > > Obviously.. any film made after Rota's death..! oops. I forgot how early Rota died. Now you bring it up, I remember it quite well though: it was the first time I had this feeling, that some essential part of the culture of the century that I love was going to die. Fellini's death was another such event. And Dali's and Kubrick's... As for Rota covers, I have to mention the Fibonaccis, one of the bands on the Index label, that was founded by the president of the Residents fan club, Phil Culp. All of these seem to have disappeared mysteriously. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: sampling debate Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:19:42 +0100 "F. Cobalt" schrieb: > To me, an example of a "bad" sample in a song is when it is so long, you can easily figure out what it is, and then you find yourself wanting to hear the original song the sample came from. That's my only contention. A group like Tipsy does good things with samples. Quite a number of hip-hop groups, and very inept "ambient" musicians do bad things with samples. > no rules! if in the context it makes sense, even a long known sample can be OK. I forgot who mentioned it, but samples can be hommages to a certain artist and songs too. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Blunts, bitches, and Herb Alpert Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:20:54 +0100 Tipsydave@aol.com schrieb: > > I don't use Herb Alpert samples, myself, because I heard that he objects to > being sampled. He seems to onject to a lot. As far as I know, his records were never reissued on CD. no? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) DALI Date: 17 Mar 2001 12:08:29 +0100 (CET) citerar Moritz R : >that some > essential part of the culture of the century that I love was going to die. > Fellini's death was another such event. And Dali's and Kubrick's... I wonder where Dali is now, if there is a justice he is an emperor in some other world. And Gala invites him to her bed every night. I have not thought about Dali that much since he died, but how that man inspired me in my early years! I went to his museum in Figueras twice. Last time I bought his opera on LP and carried it across europe three weeks until I got home. Anyone have that? I can confess I have not listened to it completely, after the first record in the box, it gets too much. But I like it and it is a fine memory. Another fine memory is from the museum, there are a painting there made up with dots if I remember correctly, I got this funny idea when I stood there watching it, and I told my buddies we were to fool the other visitors so we placed one hand in the front of the left eye and pretended to be amazed by the sight of the painting, then we sneaked behind a corner and watched the other visitors, ALL OF THEM WAS DOING THE SAME THING! Dali in one dimension! He he he, yeah that was fun. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Performing VOODOO Date: 17 Mar 2001 12:56:41 +0100 (CET) There was a midsummers night not so long ago, Me and my buddy Peter and a greek friend of ours were sitting by the fireside after a long party. All others were asleep. We sat there talking and listened to exotica off course, I mentioned a girl that I was interested in, and we decided to try voodoo to get her appreciate me. Influenced by the music and all the liquor we bagan the chants and spoke to the gods, I thought it was very funny, then suddenly our greek friend turned into a trance and started repeat everything we said, it was very fascinating but a little scary, so we calmed down. But that is just an idea of the powerful voodoo we are capable of here in scandinavia :) No, I did not get the princess, but that is because we chickened out, I am sure. Anyone else tried voodoo? I'd love to hear a story. Ron must have one... If not I may tell you another one MUCH SCARIER Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Emperor DALI Date: 17 Mar 2001 07:31:03 -0600 Magnus Sandberg wrote: > I wonder where Dali is now, if there is a justice he is an emperor in > some other world. Funny you should say that, Magnus. I was just looking at a website that contains a bunch of old preproduction art for the Alejandro Jodorowsky version of Dune which was never made. In his version of the film, Dali was cast as Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV. Here's a costume sketch by Moebius: http://www.multimania.com/sarfa/img/empire1.jpg Apparently, Dali was demanding $100,000/hr. for his acting services. Jodorowsky had assembled a really promising group of artists and musicians to do preproduction; Giger, Moebius, Chris Foss, Pink Floyd, and Eno. Here's a nice writeup: http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/dune_jodorowsky_991019.html Having seen several Jodorowsky films, I have no doubt that his version of Dune would've been far and away the strangest and most flagrantly disgusting movie of all time. I mourn it's demise. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross Orr Subject: (exotica) Re: More slicing and dicing Date: 17 Mar 2001 08:33:19 -0500 Steve wrote: >every time I've heard music using samples from tunes >I am familiar with, I feel that the person doing the sampling >produced nothing more worthwhile and valid than the original artist >who created the music in the first place did. Aargh, I *really* don't want to prolong this any more. . . But by sheer coincidence, last night I was watching the DVD of Ghost Dog*. One of the DVD extras is an "isolated score" audio track, with the music by Wu Tang's RZA. This is quite amazing stuff--very spare and atmospheric--and it's absolutely essential to the feel of the movie. And yes, it uses samples. The interesting thing about these samples is that it mostly *isn't* the "easy" trick of looping a whole bar of rhythm and layering over that. Instead, there's his own new rhythm track, with weird, ghostly and almost unidentifiable fragments of other music added to that. I defy you, Steve, to even tell me what *genre* of music they come from. In this case, those sounds have become so abstracted that they just become clay in the artist's hands. cheers, --Ross (* The Jim Jarmusch movie, starring Forrest Whittaker as a Zen hitman. Potted review: Much that is beautiful, astonishing, moody--but perhaps the whole doesn't quite hang together.) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoyGBivIM@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Music Swapping Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:09:25 EST It seems like this list would be the place for some serious mp3 trading. Not big old nasty Napster style swapping, but nice friendly person to person swapping where folks mail stuff to each other. It's not much different from good old fashion tape swapping. The interest level in this has been so minimal that I thought maybe a more detailed description of the process might get people into the idea. It's such and awesome and simple process that this group just seems like the place for it. We've all discussed the legal aspects of swapping music (ad nauseam) and it's the same for this kind of mp3 swapping as it is for circulating your comp. tape or recording your favorite album for your best friend. For the mp3 swapping you do need a computer with a CD-R drive, but since a decent CD-R drive sells for $49.99 money shouldn't stop you. You also need some software that rips audio from commercial CDs and makes m3ps. Which is all currently dirt cheap. If you're a tad more adventurous you can start digitizing vinyl which is surprisingly simple all you need is a turntable and a standard sound card on your computer. You should really get some decent audio editing software, but that is also currently dirt cheap. If you have any questions on any aspect of this process, I'm sure there are 10-20 people on this list who will be happy to give detailed tutelage. After you have 10-20 CDs or records digitized you can toss them onto a (one single wafer thin CD-R with 10-20 albums, how cool is that) cd-r and start swapping. When you get a CD-R full of 8-10 hours of CD (or vinyl) quality music, you have the option of listening to it on your computer or picking and choosing what you might like to burn to an audio CD to play on your standard, good old, CD player. It's really pretty simple. Also, once you have the mp3s made, it only takes a few minutes to burn someone a cd-r with 8 hours of music on it. Blank CD-Rs cost next to nothing, so that's not really a monatary issue. The most important point is that you'll end up sharing and getting a mountain of cool music, which is what I always thought this mailing list was about. Talking about music is fun, but listening to it is better. Post any ideas to the list, and feel free to go into deeper analysis of any aspects of this process. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 17 Mar 2001 11:17:36 EST In a message dated 3/16/01 7:20:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, bump@defectiverecords.com writes: << >I think that sampling is at its core disrespectful, >and a distortion of the original artist's intention. that is funny, i feel it is the total opposite. i sample things i have great respect for. >> Personally, I think that posthumous "remixing projects" (such as the one done for/to Miles Davis) where the original artist has of course no say in what's being done to his/her/their music, or "improvements" done to artists' records without said artists' consent (e.g. a certain Captain Beefheart album, there's probably a hundred more examples) are far more distortive and disrespectful to the original artist than any amout of sampling. Even if you hate, say, MC Hammer's "Can't Touch This", at least it's not considered to be an "official" part of Rick James' discography... -DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Emperor DALI Date: 17 Mar 2001 08:46:27 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Matt Marchese > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:31 AM > Funny you should say that, Magnus. I was just looking at a website that > contains a bunch of old preproduction art for the Alejandro > Jodorowsky version > of Dune which was never made. On the "Fando et Lis" DVD, there's a fascinating feature-length documentary on Jodorowsky and a long section on "Dune." Moebius gets a lot of airtime as well. For someone who'd only seen "Fando et Lis" on badly transferred bootlegs, the DVD is quite welcome, and jampacked with goodies too. Now if only they'd work on "The Holy Mountain" (and release that Don Cherry soundtrack) next! Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: (exotica) death by chocolate Date: 17 Mar 2001 09:22:37 -0800 No one responded, so here I go: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Clayton Black > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 6:47 AM > By the way, without being too schizophrenic, does anybody > have "Death by > Chocolate" available at http://jetset.sinner.com/ ? I downloaded the clip > from the site and loved it. It's a great, groovy bubblegum psych-pop album (as opposed to Angie Tillett's "Lollipop Train" project on Siesta, which is more spoken-word mod bubblegum). Sorry. Words fail me. Basically it's a pure sugar rush of a CD, with psych touches here, mod-lounge keyboards there, and the most unabashed fetishization of an English accent since, um, Black Box Recorder's "England Made Me" album. "Songs for the Jet Set Vol. 1" (or 2; 3 isn't that hot) would be a good intro to more indiepop in the same vein (the Sombrero comp from Siesta at http://www.siesta.es beats 'em all hands down, though). Chuck would be the most knowledgeable exoticat on this list about this, though, so get him to delurk from the Big Easy. All I know about Siesta I pretty much know from Chuck, Ben np: "funk spectrum" (Peter Risser would really like this album -- obscure funk 45s compiled by Josh Davis, aka DJ Shadow, among others) http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 17 Mar 2001 13:01:57 EST In a message dated 3/17/1 12:11:43 AM, brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca wrote: >While we're on the subject of favourite Fellini films I'd like to throw my >vote to my personal favourite, "City of Women". I have to agree with Brian here...Back in the day it was the first Fellini movie to grab me. Although I'd tried a couple ofothers (not La Dolce Vita), I apparently missed the point of them. But "City Of Women" was funny! Here's this guy all wrapped up in himself and he's had many many lovers and has each of them on tape as he makes love with them. The tapes are embedded in special sockets located beneath each of their pictures of which there were about 50. He's got a special room for the pictures. He's showing this off..........Was there a soundtrack?..JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) El Topo Gigio Date: 17 Mar 2001 13:06:58 -0600 Benito Vergara wrote: > On the "Fando et Lis" DVD, there's a fascinating feature-length documentary > on Jodorowsky and a long section on "Dune." Moebius gets a lot of airtime as > well. Thanks, Ben. I see this is available from Amazon. I may have finally found an excuse to buy a DVD player! > Now if only they'd work on "The Holy Mountain" (and release that Don Cherry > soundtrack) next! I've only seen Holy Mountain once. I rented it when I lived in Japan not realizing that it would be in Spanish with Japanese subtitles! I had previously rented El Topo from the same store and it had been in English. I didn't speak either language well enough at the time to make out much of the dialogue, but the visuals were still worth the Ą500 it cost me to rent it. -- Matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 17 Mar 2001 14:37:27 -0500 "Gee, Dad, this is the best Annual Exoticalist Sampling Debate ever!" >>Brother, even if you are pro-sample, that's just LAME. > >Well there ya go... It's funny that when folks start choosing sides, >it gets hard to give any concession to the other viewpoint. Do we really have to choose sides? I just want to clarify my own position... it seems like some people think I'm anti- and some think I'm pro-. I'll admit I get a little cranky when I sense an attitude that sampling is the *only* way to do something new and exciting and everything else is old hat. But really, I'm pretty neutral on the issue. Whatever tool you need to do the job, use it! Art can be seen as a struggle with the void, and in a scrap like that, you have to use anything that comes to hand. If sampling is "evil" then by extension, recording technology as a whole is evil, the only distinction being typical length of the recording. Oh, that evil recording technology! So many musicians put out of work by the Devil's Jukebox. Music transformed from a live, human activity to a dead, commodity object. Horrors! (irony within irony, y'see) m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) "Record Industry Plays Both Sides" Date: 17 Mar 2001 14:47:33 -0500 Hah. This is, erm, "entertaining." "Record Industry Plays Both Sides" http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42426,00.html Teaser: "With Napster a shell of its former self and services like MP3.com paying hefty tribute, record labels are poised to conquer cyberspace with their own streaming and downloading services. Ironically, only one thing stands in the way: copyright." Gist: They want to stiff paying composer/lyricist royalties to music publishers. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) pink panther Date: 17 Mar 2001 20:58:27 +0100 this is maybe a silly question, but can anybody tell me what the pink panther (Inspector Clouseau feature films played by Peter Sellers) has to do with the animated pink panther figure? Which was first? What's the connection? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: (exotica) Re: jodorowsky Date: 17 Mar 2001 14:35:14 -0600 Benito Vergara wrote: > A $50 dvd-rom drive would work just as well, by the way. =) D'OH! I've already got one of those too. But sitting in front of the peecee watching a movie seems porn-ish somehow. > Mine was copied off a Japanese laserdisc, so all the genitals are mosaiced > out. =) Ah yes, the peculiar censorship techniques of the Japanese government. I was actually quite grateful for those large pixels when I rented Pink Flamingos for the first time. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) pink panther Date: 17 Mar 2001 21:41:58 +0100 Mo asked: > this is maybe a silly question, but can anybody tell me what the > pink panther (Inspector Clouseau feature films played by Peter > Sellers) has to do with the animated pink panther figure? Which > was first? What's the connection? As far as I know the cartoon panther was created for the feature films (the opening credits), and later took on a life of his own. Correct me if I'm wrong... Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maria Junkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Music Swapping Date: 17 Mar 2001 23:12:05 +0100 I totally agree. This yes/no sampling topic is pretty much worn out and there are plenty other mailing lists about sampling. So more mp3 trading please! RoyGBivIM@aol.com wrote: > It seems like this list would be the place for some serious mp3 trading. > > The interest level in this has been so minimal that I thought maybe a > more detailed description of the process might get people into the idea. > > The most important point is that you'll end up sharing and getting a > mountain of cool music, which is what I always thought this mailing list was > about. Talking about music is fun, but listening to it is better. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maria Junkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 17 Mar 2001 23:25:49 +0100 "m.ace" wrote:If sampling is "evil" then by extension, recording technology as a whole is > evil, the only distinction being typical length of the recording. Oh, that > evil recording technology! So many musicians put out of work by the Devil's > Jukebox. Music transformed from a live, human activity to a dead, commodity > object. Horrors! (irony within irony, y'see) This was more or less what Karlheinz Stockhausen ranted about. He wrote that the use of electronic media like radio and tape & vinyl recordings (this was in the pre CD era) should be restricted to music that only could be heard in that way, i.e. electronic music. According to him acoustic music should only played live. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: jodorowsky Date: 17 Mar 2001 15:12:04 -0800 Oops: Matt replied to the exotica list, but I had sent my follow-up only to Matt. So for coherence's sake (ok, I know it's off-topic), here was my reply: > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Matt Marchese > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:07 AM > Thanks, Ben. I see this is available from Amazon. I may have > finally found an > excuse to buy a DVD player! There's also an audio commentary by Jodorowsky throughout the whole of the movie. It was actually one of the first DVDs I'd ever seen -- you get to watch the film, then you can watch the film over with Jodorowsky commenting on every scene! That and the documentary makes it a darn good DVD to watch (practically 5 hours of material, though a little repetitive). The film itself is straight-up Theatre of the Absurd, with not much of the metaphysical stuff (ok, claptrap) that would be in his next flicks, and thus perhaps truer to his guerrilla Surrealist vision. A $50 dvd-rom drive would work just as well, by the way. =) > I've only seen Holy Mountain once. I rented it when I lived in Japan not > realizing that it would be in Spanish with Japanese subtitles! Well, there's not much dialogue anyway. =) Bootlegs miraculously surface on Ebay every now and then (which is where I got my VHS copy), but since Ebay bans such things they're very careful in their wording. Mine was copied off a Japanese laserdisc, so all the genitals are mosaiced out. =) Later, Ben p.s. I see Video Search of Miami (http://www.vsom.com/) is selling a copy of "The Holy Mountain" for $25 -- never ordered from them before, though... http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 17 Mar 2001 18:24:49 -0500 At 11:25 PM 3/17/01 +0100, Maria Junkita wrote: .>This was more or less what Karlheinz Stockhausen ranted about. >He wrote that the use of electronic media like radio and >tape & vinyl recordings (this was in the pre CD era) should be restricted >to music that only could be heard in that way, i.e. electronic music. >According to him acoustic music should only played live. . You shouldn't eat summer fruits in the winter. And you shouldn't plant things in your garden which don't originate in your area. (I actually believe in that one but I don't practice it.) Movies should only be watched on the big screen. Movies should only be seen on film. Movies should only be seen in their original aspect ratio. I used to sort of believe that. But not anymore. There's something different about seeing a film large and projected with an audience. But that doesn't mean you can't appreciate it at home on TV fastforwarding through the boring parts. I've been trying to think of any "art rules" that I believe in the way Stockhausen or Stephen bigshot do. Here's the only one I came up with. This happens on TV more than movies but it also happens there. It happens in documentaries and journalistic pieces. We're introduced to a new character, a commentator, an expert, someone who's going to tell us something about the subject. When he/she first comes on, they're a "talking head" and perhaps their identity is revealed with a superimposed title : "Magnus Moritz, Chief Investigating Officer at the Tiki Totem Institute" As they continue to talk, invariably they cut away to a shot of Magnus WALKING. It lasts about five seconds. They're usually walking from the upper right side of the frame and moving towards the lower left side. Usually they hold on the shot until just after they leave the frame. Usually they're walking in a generic institutional setting. But sometimes it's a park. And usually they have a blank robotic attitude. That's because someone told them "Let's go outside and get a shot of you walking". And when they ask where they're going or why they're walking, they're told "That doesn't matter. Just walk". I would very much like to outlaw that shot. I know why they do it. They need cutaways. It's called "B roll". They don't want to jumpcut and they're saving that shot of the interviewer nodding his head for later. I know why they do it but I want them to find other ways. I don't ever want to see that shot again as long as I live. That's about the only rule I've come up with so far. If I ruled the world, no one would be allowed to use that shot. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dlsmay@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) pink panther Date: 17 Mar 2001 18:33:52 EST The cartoon was created as the opening credits for the first movie. "The Pink Panther" of the movie title referred to the rare gemstone that had been stolen. << this is maybe a silly question, but can anybody tell me what the pink panther (Inspector Clouseau feature films played by Peter Sellers) has to do with the animated pink panther figure? Which was first? What's the connection? Mo >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hagar@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 17 Mar 2001 18:51:49 -0500 >This was more or less what Karlheinz Stockhausen ranted about. Funny that Stockhausen's name is mentioned, because for one of his pieces, he used audio tapes of children playing. Geh, Mixmaster KS, Geh, Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: jodorowsky Date: 17 Mar 2001 19:05:11 -0600 Benito Vergara wrote: > Oops: Matt replied to the exotica list, but I had sent my follow-up only to > Matt. Must've been all the Nyquil I've been taking for this damn cold. > ok, I know it's off-topic Nah, considering some of the other threads I've been reading here over the last couple of days, I think that discussing Jodorowsky, Dali, and Pink Flamingos qualifies eminently as Exotica. But just to bring it back solidly to music, here's Divine's discography. Anybody care to make a recommendation? http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/8299/disco.html -- Matt Marchese http://reality.sgi.com/mattm_americas "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: (exotica) Lileks does it again! Date: 17 Mar 2001 19:19:35 -0600 I hadn't visited James Lilek's site for many moons, but I just happened to go there today while doing a routine verification of links on my web pages. I was glad to see that he's still updating it on a regular basis, and I was happier still to find the new Shag Horrors feature, wherein he presents scanned pages from several interior-decorating books from the '70s along with his own inimitable commentary. WARNING: the following is not for the faint of heart! http://www.lileks.com/institute/interiors/intro/1.html It's a good thing I wasn't drinking coffee when I read this, otherwise I'd have been wiping it off my monitor. After all the wonderfully perverse interior design in Matt Maranian's PAD book, it was really a pleasure to find this. It reminded me of my friend's house in CA. The entire living room was done in white shag with pink furniture and mirrored walls. His dad was a taxidermist, so it was filled with stuffed flamingoes, deer, and even a grizzly bear. Surreal was too mild a word to describe it. The thing that really disturbs me is, I want to decorate my entire house just like this. -- Matt Marchese http://reality.sgi.com/mattm_americas "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Milhuisen Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals Date: 18 Mar 2001 02:45:24 +0100 hagar@mindspring.com wrote: > >This was more or less what Karlheinz Stockhausen ranted about. > > Funny that Stockhausen's name is mentioned, because for one of his pieces, he used audio tapes of children playing. My guess is he meant the end result had to electronic music, not the elements incorporated within. This rant was written in his younger days, he probably lightened up afterwards. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Re: Jodorowsky Date: 17 Mar 2001 18:24:10 -0800 If Allen Klein dies before Jodorowsky, then supposedly the rights to Holy Mountain and El Topo will go back to him and they can get "official" release/reissue from the original negatives. At the moment, unless Criterion or some other company can convince Klein that Jodorowsky is not the devil himself, we'll have to continue waiting. Unfortunately this problem of ownership is also why getting the soundtrack to Holy Mountain has been prevented. Klein has even threatened Criterion because of the release of Fando and Lis, which he has no rights to. From what I know, the "official" release of Holy Mountain in the UK was taken from the Japanese laser, so there's fogging and such with the nudity. Luckily I was able to see Holy Mountain on the big screen a while back, an uncut print which had material in it I had never even seen in bootlegs. At the moment I don't know who has the best available bootlegs of either movie, though Shocking Video claims to have an uncut print of El Topo that isn't from laser, and I'm sure the quality is great, from my continuing experiences with them. Still, fogging or no, these are masterpieces of film that everyone should see. As a side note, I've been hearing a lot lately, not just from Jodorowsky himself, but from gossip as well, that Marilyn Manson may be funding the sequel to El Topo. I haven't heard if he expects a role in it though. If you want to learn more about the problems, direct from Jodorowsky, broken English and all, look at the more or less official site: http://www.hotweird.com/jodorowsky/ There's also a link to a video interview a friend and I did with him here in Chicago, which is a bit more on the nature of the creative process. Unlucky --- Mr. Unlucky presents Shoot To Kill, a weekly set of jazz, soundtrack music, Now Sound, and the occasional foray into international territory on Supersphere.com, Thursdays 1-2 p.m. (CST). Many past sets are archived for future listening pleasure. http://www.supersphere.com Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clayton black Subject: Re: (exotica) pink panther Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:28:32 -0500 > From: Moritz R > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:58:27 +0100 > To: exotica mailing list > Subject: (exotica) pink panther > > > this is maybe a silly question, but can anybody tell me what the pink panther > (Inspector Clouseau feature films played by Peter Sellers) has to do with the > animated pink panther figure? Which was first? What's the connection? > > Mo Other people have already said that the movie came first, but it did not take long for the animated character to take on a life of its own. I remember that they used to show the cartoons before the feature films in my hometown. I don't know if all of the music was Mancini, but obviously the theme was, and the incidental music was certainly well done and in the same vein. The panther never said anything. The local cinema had (and still has) just one giant screen (none of this cineplex garbage), and the pre-movie cartoons were usually just as fun as the movies themselves. I never thought about it before, but that may be where I first really fell in love with Mancini. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clayton black Subject: (exotica) At long last Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:39:20 -0500 A week or two ago I complained that I had never seen Esquivel in a thrift store. Today I picked up Infinity in Sound (I'd say a VG+) for $1.00. Some fella named Venuti had apparently unloaded his jazz collection at a local Goodwill. I also picked up a Marion McPartland, two Urbie Greens, a Stan Kenton/Pete Rugolo/Milt Raskin collaboration, two June Christy albums, and a Terry Gibbs record. I satisfied myself that the Esquivel album was in good shape, but I haven't had a chance to listen to the others. There are two dozen other things I should have been doing today besides looking for records, but I don't regret my decision. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Jodorowsky Date: 18 Mar 2001 00:01:21 -0500 >Klein has even threatened Criterion because of the release of Fando and Lis, which he has no >rights to. From what I know, the "official" release of Holy Mountain in the UK was Criterion didn't release "Fando y Lis" on DVD; that was Fantoma. Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) At long last Date: 18 Mar 2001 00:16:21 -0500 At 11:39 AM 3/18/01 -0500, clayton black wrote: > >A week or two ago I complained that I had never seen Esquivel in a thrift >store. Today I picked up Infinity in Sound (I'd say a VG+) for $1.00. Congratulations. That was the first one I found for a dollar. >Some fella named Venuti had apparently unloaded his jazz collection at a local >Goodwill. Venuti is a rare guy. Most jazz collections don't go to Goodwill stores. He must be lazy or very magnanimous. I also picked up a Marion McPartland, two Urbie Greens, a Stan >Kenton/Pete Rugolo/Milt Raskin collaboration, two June Christy albums, and a >Terry Gibbs record. Hmmm, I like Terry Gibbs. June Christy is my favorite white jazz/torch singer. I've never heard an Urbie Green record I liked but I don't like trombone very much. There's a great Marion McPartland "Bossa Nova" record but otherwise... What is the Stan Kenton Rugolo record? Congratulations. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ashleywarren1@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) "Record Industry Plays Both Sides" Date: 18 Mar 2001 00:29:21 EST In a message dated 3/17/01 2:48:09 PM EST, mace@ookworld.com writes: << Teaser: "With Napster a shell of its former self and services like MP3.com paying hefty tribute, record labels are poised to conquer cyberspace with their own streaming and downloading services. Ironically, only one thing stands in the way: copyright." Gist: They want to stiff paying composer/lyricist royalties to music publishers. --m.ace >> I'm sorry to say you that it is a posting like this which can sometimes make this list a means to spread disinformation. Even before Napster several record companies have been trying to come up with a downloading format that is protectable. As this download would count as a sale both artist and publishing royalties are due. You can bet BMI and ASCAP and the mechainical license collection company the Harry Fox Agency is making sure that publishing is collected. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: RE: (exotica) jodorowsky + Moebius Date: 18 Mar 2001 09:57:07 +0100 (CET) I have a japanese Holy Mountain on laserdisc that I want to sell, anyone interested? Its english language, but japanese subtitles, and the genitals are blurred. Jodorowsky wrote a great story that Moebius illustrated, about a detective in some other world, mind you this was before blade runner and all that, the dystopic future scenario was quite new and exciting, now it just boring in my humble opinion. Mooebius was the artist that made me want to do comics, the whole "grown up" comics scene from france and america hit Sweden in the beginning of 1980, I had never heard of most of the names, and Moebius strange sci fi was like a revolution to me. I worked on a comic for nearly a year, and got it published in the swedish version of heavy metal/metal hurlant, When I bought the magazine with my stuff in it I flew home :) the strange thing was that the story predicted stuff I was going through on my LSD trip nearly 15 years later. In fact all my important (to me) art pre LSD is connected to the things I went through. Very odd. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Theories Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:33:46 +0100 Maria Junkita schrieb: > > This was more or less what Karlheinz Stockhausen ranted about. > He wrote that the use of electronic media like radio and > tape & vinyl recordings (this was in the pre CD era) should be restricted > to music that only could be heard in that way, i.e. electronic music. > According to him acoustic music should only played live. these so called avantgardists could be pretty dogmatic about their theories. Stockhausen seriously believed that his invention of the 12 tone music would guarantee Germany 100 years of leadership in music. :-D Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) pink panther Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:26:57 +0100 Marco and Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > The Pink Panther was vreated for Blake Edwards' opening credits by Friz= Freleng and David DePatie, who at the time were producing animation unde= r contract to Warner Brothers (all of it assembly line junk) as well as = under their own name. Acting quickly, they produced the animated feature= tte "The Pink Phink" in 1964, which won an Academy Award for best short s= ubject that year. From then, television beckoned - NBC to be exact - and= they proceeded to run the character and the series rather quickly into t= he ground, although it lingered on Saturday morning television for 20 yea= rs or more in one guise or another. By the end of the series, the suave = Panther had gone from having no voice (with the exception of ONE early li= ne of dialogue, AKA Rex Harrison: "Why can't man be more like animals?")= to having a namby pamby voice, NO visible suavet=E9, a goofy son, and no= ability to stop having insipid dialogue! > the pink panther was a diamond that david niven's character was trying = to steal in the original movie. the large diamond had an inclusion that = looked like a pink panther. after that they added to cartoon figure to t= he movies opening and closing sequences. > aah, OK. now it fits. thanks for your clarifications! -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de =2E......................................................................= =2E. n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Theories Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:45:03 +0100 Mo wrote: > these so called avantgardists could be pretty dogmatic about > their theories. Stockhausen seriously believed that his invention > of the 12 tone music would guarantee Germany 100 years of > leadership in music. :-D And then came Heino... :-) Anyway, 12 tone music goes back a little further than Stockhausen. It was the Vienna School - Schönberg, Webern, Berg - that began working with this compositional 'tool'. Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Theories Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:11:18 +0100 Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek schrieb: > > Anyway, 12 tone music goes back a little further than Stockhausen. 00ps. absolutely sorry: it was of course *Sch=F6nberg* who believed in th= e superiority of his 12 tone music and said it would guarantee 100 years = of german leadership.... not Stockhausen... jeesh! -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Maria Junkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Theories Date: 18 Mar 2001 12:14:55 +0100 Moritz R wrote: > > Anyway, 12 tone music goes back a little further than Stockhausen. > > 00ps. absolutely sorry: it was of course *Sch=F6nberg* who believed in = the superiority of his 12 tone music and said it would guarantee 100 year= s of german leadership.... > > not Stockhausen... jeesh! After Schoenberg freed music from the shackles of tonality (macrostructur= e), Stockhausen considered it his own task to free music from the shackles of acoustic texture (micr= ostructure). Neither of them understood that music's biggest shackle would be rational= ism, wich was broken by John Cage (psychostructure). All of the above of course in the context of Western music. In non-Wester= n musical cultures such shackles are just considered to be a complete waste of time. (exit lecture mode 8^ ) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Pink Panther/Inspector Clouseau theme Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:14:25 EST Now I have a question of my own: does anyone know who does the french-sounding introductory theme music to the Inspector Clouseau (sp?) cartoons that used to be shown on the Pink Panther TV show? Even better, is it available on CD or LP or should I do some searching among the MP3s? Thanks, DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) At long last Date: 18 Mar 2001 12:05:03 -0500 Thanks for the congrats. I was feeling pretty high, at least for a while. To each his own on the trombone thing. One of the Urbie Green LPs is from the Command label and is unlike any on that label I've heard--much more straightforward jazz. The other, "Face the Music and Dance," has more swing and is easier on the ears. Sorry, you asked about the Kenton/Rugolo record. It's a bit of a disappointment, because it's more in Kenton's "romantic" style, although a couple of the tracks are worth repeating. I'm not at home now and I don't remember the name--something along the lines of "adventure in song and voice" (it's got chalk playground drawings on the front). I'll have to give it a few more listens to give you decent feedback on it. The Terry Gibbs album is super. That Venti (not Venuti, as I wrote before) fellow apparently had a thing for piano jazz, because I left behind a number of albums that didn't appeal. I had to go for the McPartland record in part because it was the first one I'd ever seen in a thrift store. I listened to it last night, and although it didn't strike me the way a solid exotica album might, it's good dinner music for when I know my wife will strangle me if I put on another "blaring brass" album. I find Joe Bushkin useful in the same way. The exotica comes out once we've had a few drinks. Clayton > From: alan zweig > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:16:21 -0500 > To: exotica@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (exotica) At long last > > What is the Stan Kenton Rugolo record? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, March 18 Date: 18 Mar 2001 12:15:09 -0500 Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at: http://www.ckut.ca As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome. Space Bop #134 Medical Milestones - Or Just A Bunch Of Hot Air? This week, it's both, actually. We're playing some of the Medical Milestones series from Stock Hausen & Walkman's Hot Air label. All the projects are quite, um...unique in style - and very different from each other. Stock, Hausen & Walkman: Ici Big Jim / Compere / Sore Throat "Hang-Ups" Stock, Hausen & Walkman: Sphincter / Fistycuffs "Hang-Ups" Los Samplers: Descarga Mecano (Version Muy Differente) "Descarga Mecano" Los Samplers: Demasiado Funcional (Version Differente) "Descarga Mecano" The Rip-Off Artist: Whatever Lola Wants / The Girl From Ipanema / Ask Fingo "Why Do Birds Sing?" The Rip-Off Artist: Sofa King / Comin' Home Baby / Bang Trim "Why Do Birds Sing?" Vomit Lunchs (with SHW): Total Pointless Guidance Mix "Unskilled Vegetarian Remould Force" Vomit Lunchs (with SHW): Tiny Blast Mix / Soundtrack To Karahi Lunch Runs Remake "Unskilled Vegetarian Remould Force" Gino Robair: Cup #1 / Cup #2 "New Dimensions In Styrofoam" Janek Schaefer: Evening "Recorded Delivery" Gino Robair: Plate #1 / Plate #2 "New Dimensions In Styrofoam" Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening cheryls@dsuper.net brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) children's athletic meet Date: 19 Mar 2001 01:26:53 +0800 hi all, awhile back i had posted about a cd i had picked up called "music for children's events". well, i recently picked up another in the series called "BGM FOR children's athletic meet". this disc is not as interesting as the events one. once again all information in the disc booklet is in japanese. except for one track called "the wind in the willows". the music for the most part seems to be fairly normal orchestra music. nothing really swinging or cool(though i have only listened to the disc once so maybe on further listenings i'll find it more interesting). i did recognize one of the pieces as sousa but the others i am not sure of the titles or composers. oddly enough towards the end of the disc there are two instrumental versions of some beatles songs. i think the main instrument being used on these tracks is the xylophone. though i forget now exactly. also last month while i was back in the states i picked up some disc i don't recall being mentioned here. upper limbo by ken nordine. it appears to be live stuff recorded in 92. it was released on some label connected to the grateful dead. it looks like ken's son kristan plays on this as well. i have mixed feelings about it. anyone have thoughts on this? also i recently got a little order from http://www.djangos.com since they were having a 25% off sale. i finally picked up "moog indigo" and "the amazing new electronic pop sound of jean jacques perrey". i can't believe i waited so long to get these. really wonderful stuff! i hope his new release lives up to how great these are! i also picked up the forbidden zone ost. has this ost been mentioned on the list before? i've always liked the movie and it's great to finally have the ost. by far my favourite danny elfman ost. though that may have more to do with the nature of the film it is from, and the older style of music but still very good. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica) Lileks does it again! Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:43:27 -0700 thanks for the link to the lileks site -- i'm still wiping away the tears of laughter. in a similar vein, though not nearly so extensive, is the site i made for my friends when i moved into my new house last year: http://fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~kendoll/vtour01.htm mike Matt Marchese wrote: > > I hadn't visited James Lilek's site for many moons, but I just happened > to go there today while doing a routine verification of links on my web > pages. I was glad to see that he's still updating it on a regular basis, > and I was happier still to find the new Shag Horrors feature, wherein he > presents scanned pages from several interior-decorating books from the > '70s along with his own inimitable commentary. WARNING: the following is > not for the faint of heart! > > http://www.lileks.com/institute/interiors/intro/1.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Lileks does it again! Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:46:05 -0600 Brilliant! I loved the brown shag in the bathroom. Great for disguising unpleasant accidents! And where did you get that way qool retrofont? Matt kendoll wrote: > thanks for the link to the lileks site -- i'm still wiping away the > tears of laughter. in a similar vein, though not nearly so extensive, is > the site i made for my friends when i moved into my new house last year: > http://fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~kendoll/vtour01.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) At long last Date: 18 Mar 2001 12:54:15 EST In a message dated 3/17/1 11:47:21 PM, clayton.black@washcoll.edu wrote: >Today I picked up Infinity in Sound (I'd say a VG+) for $1.00. Stereo or Mono? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) At long last Date: 18 Mar 2001 13:00:16 -0500 > From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:54:15 EST > To: clayton.black@washcoll.edu, owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com, > exotica@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (exotica) At long last > > > > In a message dated 3/17/1 11:47:21 PM, clayton.black@washcoll.edu wrote: > >> Today I picked up Infinity in Sound (I'd say a VG+) for $1.00. > > Stereo or Mono? > "Living" Stereo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: Re: (exotica) Emperor DALI Date: 18 Mar 2001 12:51:36 -0500 nice to see talk of Giger and Jodorowsky on the list. two names you can trust to tweak your gourd. i have just added Coffin Joe to that list recently. i read Jodorowskys Making of El Topo recently as well as watched a video documentary/interview. definitely someone to pay some attention to. at least check out his films EL Topo and The Holy Mountain. the Dune de Lynch used some of Gigers' designs without credit or money to him. as well as some of the later Alien films. i hope to get to Switzerland soon to check out his museum. bump >> I wonder where Dali is now, if there is a justice he is an emperor in >> some other world. > >Funny you should say that, Magnus. I was just looking at a website that >contains a bunch of old preproduction art for the Alejandro Jodorowsky version >of Dune which was never made. In his version of the film, Dali was cast as >Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV. Here's a costume sketch by Moebius: > >http://www.multimania.com/sarfa/img/empire1.jpg > >Apparently, Dali was demanding $100,000/hr. for his acting services. > >Jodorowsky had assembled a really promising group of artists and musicians to >do preproduction; Giger, Moebius, Chris Foss, Pink Floyd, and Eno. Here's a >nice writeup: > >http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/dune_jodorowsky_991019.html > >Having seen several Jodorowsky films, I have no doubt that his version of Dune >would've been far and away the strangest and most flagrantly disgusting movie >of all time. I mourn it's demise. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Jodorowsky Date: 18 Mar 2001 13:07:42 EST In a message dated 3/18/1 1:04:45 PM, bump@defectiverecords.com wrote: >nice to see talk of Giger and Jodorowsky on the list. didn't Jodorowskiy make one a few years back about the guy with no arms who travelled with a guy who used his own arms to help the guy express himeself? Ring a bell? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Jodorowsky Date: 18 Mar 2001 12:10:22 -0600 DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > didn't Jodorowskiy make one a few years back about the guy with no arms who > travelled with a guy who used his own arms to help the guy express himeself? > Ring a bell? That would be El Topo -- Matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: divine Date: 18 Mar 2001 13:05:43 -0500 i have always liked Native Love and I'm So Beautiful. ;) i saw divine LIVE two weeks before he/she was DEAD. should of heard her so out of breath in the middle of the show...it was sad. life has not been the same since. bumpinbaltimore Pink Flamingos >qualifies eminently as Exotica. > >But just to bring it back solidly to music, here's Divine's discography. >Anybody >care to make a recommendation? > >http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/8299/disco.html ****************************************************** ***************************** ************* DJ Bump "Primitive Rhythms for Evolved Minds" Defective Records-Executive Producer bump@defectiverecords.com http://www.defectiverecords.com "Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) New eXotica Releases Overview Update Date: 18 Mar 2001 19:08:39 +0100 A new update to the "eXotica Releases Overview" is available. These are the most important recent additions, that where not yet announced or reviewed here, plus older items with new comments. (If you would like to receive the unabridged updates on a regular base by e-mail, just let me know you want to get on my " eXotica Releases Overview updater") - March 17: new (2001) releases, announcements, and corrections - * Erich: "Jingles" o LP, TUG Records, Germany, 2001 o comment: + Johan: Bazooka Cain member and Easy Listening DJ plays instrumental miniatures on several Casio synths. * Serge Gainsbourg: "Comic Strip" o CD, France, 2001 o comment: + Johan: All studio albums by Gainsbourg are being reissued! * Serge Gainsbourg: "Love On The Beat" o CD, Philips 822 849, France, 199? CD, Philips?, France, 2001 o comment: + Johan: My rating: Good. * Moulinettes: "Alfa Bravo Charlie" o CD/Double LP, TUG Records?, Germany, 2001 o comment: + add missing details or your own comment by e-mail: mailto:XROtomatiq@antwerpen.be with "#7339" as subject line * Quintron: "Unmasked Organ Light-Year Of Infinity Man" o CD, Bulb, USA, 2001 o comment: + add missing details or your own comment by e-mail: mailto:XROtomatiq@antwerpen.be with "#7320" as subject line * Various Artists: "Bollywood Breaks Sampler" o CD, Outcaste, USA, 2001 o comment: + Johan: For fans of "Bombay the Hard Way" * Various Artists: "Glucklich" (volumes 1 to 4) o CD, Compost, Germany, 199?-2001 o comment: + a series of (currently) 4 CD's with Brazilian influenced jazzy/lounge/breakbeats. The first 2 volumes focus primarely on German jazz from the 1970's & 80's, while volumes 3 & 4 offer more recent stuff * SOUNDTRACK: "Gli Intoccabili" (The Untouchables) by Ennio Morricone o CD, Dagored, Italy, 2001 o comment: + add missing details or your own comment by e-mail: mailto:XROtomatiq@antwerpen.be with "#7319" as subject line - March 17: more or less recent (2000) stuff - * Various Artists: "The Mood Mosaic 9: The Sound Bullet" o CD/Double LP, Future Record, Italy, 2000 o comment: + add missing details or your own comment by e-mail: mailto:XROtomatiq@antwerpen.be with "#7311" as subject line - March 17: other, older interesting finds I stumbled on - * Various Artists: "Mighty Mellow 2: The Sequel, A Psycho-Funk Resurrection" o Double LP/CD, ?, Italy, 1998 * Various Artists: "The Mood Mosaic 10: Retro Active" o CD/Double LP, Future Record, Italy, 2001? o comment: + add missing details or your own comment by e-mail: mailto:XROtomatiq@antwerpen.be with "#7312" as subject line >>> most comments by members of the "Exotica", >>> "Popnouveau" and "Lava Lamp" Mailing Lists, >>> from Jack Diamond Music sale lists >>> and Subliminal Sounds sale lists >>> Additions & corrections are more than welcome! >>> The "XRO" is a discography, NOT a sale catalog! The eXotica Releases Overview is part of "Dada's Exotiquarium": http://www.Dada1.bewoner.antwerpen.be/ Johan Dada Vis quiet@village.uunet.be # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) "Record Industry Plays Both Sides" Date: 18 Mar 2001 13:41:26 -0500 At 12:29 AM 3/18/2001, Ashley wrote: >In a message dated 3/17/01 2:48:09 PM EST, mace@ookworld.com writes: >< Teaser: > "With Napster a shell of its former self and services like MP3.com paying > hefty tribute, record labels are poised to conquer cyberspace with their > own streaming and downloading services. Ironically, only one thing stands > in the way: copyright." > > Gist: > They want to stiff paying composer/lyricist royalties to music publishers. > > >I'm sorry to say you that it is a posting like this which can sometimes make >this list a means to spread disinformation. Even before Napster several >record companies have been trying to come up with a downloading format that >is protectable. As this download would count as a sale both artist and >publishing royalties are due. You can bet BMI and ASCAP and the mechainical >license collection company the Harry Fox Agency is making sure that >publishing is collected. Pardon me. My summary was oversimplified and a bit too brusque, but the idea is for you to follow the link http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42426,00.html to the full article. Where you would find that the RIAA and the music publishers are in a genuine fight over exactly how composer royalties are to be levied (a publishers group has sued a Universal website, for one). And the RIAA is using arguments strangely similar to arguments used (unsuccessfully) by such entities as MP3.com and Napster in their fights with the RIAA. That irony being the source of the Wired article title, which I logically used as the subject line for the post. Perhaps I should post news links generically instead. m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Jodorowsky Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:51:18 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Matt Marchese > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 10:10 AM > DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > > didn't Jodorowskiy make one a few years back about the guy with > no arms who > > travelled with a guy who used his own arms to help the guy > express himeself? > > Ring a bell? > > That would be El Topo That would be Santa Sangre # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Jodorowsky Date: 18 Mar 2001 13:22:03 -0600 Benito Vergara wrote: > > DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > > > > didn't Jodorowskiy make one a few years back about the guy with > > no arms who > > > travelled with a guy who used his own arms to help the guy > > express himeself? > > > Ring a bell? > > > > That would be El Topo > > That would be Santa Sangre Yeah, now that I think about it some more, Santa Sangre probably comes closest to what DJJimmyBee's describing, but in that film it's an armless *woman*. She forces her son to walk behind her and stick his arms through her dress sleeves so she can command him to do various things for her. The character I was was thinking of is the Double Man from El Topo, the legless gunman who's strapped onto the shoulders of an armless man. Amputees were obviously a recurring motif. -- Matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Jodorowsky Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:58:59 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Matt Marchese > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 11:22 AM > Amputees were obviously a recurring motif. The thief who's about to be stoned to death at the beginning of "The Holy Mountain" is saved by an armless dwarf as well. The one thing I've always found disturbing in Jodorowsky's films is that the disclaimer "No animals were harmed in the making of this movie" probably couldn't be made. Later, Ben p.s. Can anyone answer (privately) my previous question about "Les Demoiselles de Rochefort?" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Theories Date: 18 Mar 2001 21:57:43 +0100 Maria Junkita schrieb: > After Schoenberg freed music from the shackles of tonality (macrostructure), Stockhausen considered > it his own task to free music from the shackles of acoustic texture (microstructure). > > Neither of them understood that music's biggest shackle would be rationalism, wich was broken > by John Cage (psychostructure). > > All of the above of course in the context of Western music. In non-Western musical > cultures such shackles are just considered to be a complete waste of time. > > (exit lecture mode 8^ ) wasn't it Martin Denny himself who said, he always needed noisy sounds to break the harmonic structures of his music? I mean, basically most of what we are talking about in this list is of course good ol' well-tempered western music with some occasional blue note. -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Jodorowsky Date: 18 Mar 2001 17:03:59 EST In a message dated 3/18/1 1:12:32 PM, mjmarch@charter.net wrote: >That would be El Topo no...translated it meant sacred blood i believe # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Jodorowsky Date: 18 Mar 2001 17:07:21 EST In a message dated 3/18/1 1:46:26 PM, bvergara@sfsu.edu wrote: >That would be Santa Sangre That's it! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Radio Khartoum Subject: Re: (exotica) Umbrellas of Cherbourg / Demoiselles de Rochefort Date: 18 Mar 2001 09:54:23 -0800 >I cried when it ended, not often I do that, and still I thought it was >a happy ending. Bittersweet maybe. >It must be all that bad energy coming out of me lately. Actually, it's the title sequence that always starts me bawling. Just seeing all those umbrellas shot from above and hearing the beginning of the melody sets me off... >Does the soundtrack LP/CD have vocals, or is it instrumental? Yep, it's more or less identical to what you hear on film. I don't find myself listening to the soundtrack so much, however. I find that I can't really listen to the soundtrack as abstract music - I just keep seeing the visuals and the story of the film. > > > Do you know "Les Demoiselles the Rochefort"? If not, you have >to see that too! > >> Is that also sung? Thanks, I was aware of it, now I regret not buying >> the soundtracks, when seeing them before. It's more of a traditional musical - there's normal spoken dialogue too. When we saw the film for the first time a few years ago, my friend and I could stop cracking up at how much Jay Jay Johansen IS the "painter/poet" Maxence (sp?) character. Alexander -- Radio Khartoum http://www.radiokhartoum.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Larson/Thomas" Subject: (exotica) forbidden zone ost Date: 18 Mar 2001 18:46:45 -0800 >i also picked up the forbidden zone ost. > has this ost been mentioned on the list before? i've always liked > the movie > and it's great to finally have the ost. On CD? For some reason I got the idea that the CD version dropped the track called "Pico and Sepulveda" by Felix Figueroa. A great song (which I first heard played by Dr. Dimento) that's on the LP version of the OST. I hope that I'm wrong about the CD. Jerry Larson # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lang Thompson Subject: RE: (exotica) Sampling / Originals / Theories Date: 18 Mar 2001 22:28:01 -0500 >It was the Vienna School - Sch=F6nberg, Webern, Berg - that began working= =20 Actually these are referred to as the Second Viennese School; the first is considered Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven. =20 LT Adventures In Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures.htm Outsider Music Mailing List http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/outsider.htm Documentary Sound http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/adventures/documentary.htm Full Alert Film Review http://wlt4.home.mindspring.com/fafr.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Jack Costanzo article Date: 18 Mar 2001 23:19:02 -0500 http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/current/nightday_feature.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) build yourself a pimp Date: 18 Mar 2001 23:21:56 -0500 For fans of blaxploitation in general, try this site: http://www.dolemite.com/pimpbuilder.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) Re: forbidden zone ost Date: 19 Mar 2001 12:59:04 +0800 > >i also picked up the forbidden zone ost. > > has this ost been mentioned on the list before? i've always liked > > the movie > > and it's great to finally have the ost. > > On CD? For some reason I got the idea that the CD version dropped the track > called "Pico and Sepulveda" by Felix Figueroa. A great song (which I first > heard played by Dr. Dimento) that's on the LP version of the OST. I hope > that I'm wrong about the CD. > > Jerry Larson > you are not wrong. that is not on the cd.:( but i am happy to have what IS on the cd.:) though i'd rather have the whole movie on dvd. but somehow i doubt that will be happening anytime soon if ever. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling Date: 19 Mar 2001 10:50:22 +0100 a sampling poem: "I have a computer!" all image and no substance My ears cant stand stupid loop "I have a computer!" My ears cant stand computers, I really like it stupid loop Sit down and make your own goddamn riff! My ears cant stand stupid loop "I have a computer!" Sit down and make My ears cant stand computers, I really like it stupid loop Sit down and make stupid loop Sit down and make stupid loop Sit down and make stupid loop all image and no substance computers, I really like it stupid loop My ears cant stand "I have a computer!" samples courtesy of Magnus and Steve =A9MMI Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling Date: 19 Mar 2001 11:58:29 +0100 (CET) > a sampling poem: > > > "I have a computer!" > all image and no substance > My ears cant stand > stupid loop > Steve, leave everything to me.... To me and voodoo! I recommend Moritz not to fall asleep tonight! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) lets pretend its a new thread....Ghost Dog Date: 19 Mar 2001 11:12:03 -0000 It is truly an excellent soundtrack, spooky and distorted. Actually I enjoyed the film a lot more than any other of jarmusch's films. I thought it managed to tread the line between boring art house and action film quite well. has the soundtrack been released?, I have a vague recollection of seeing it on vinyl, and I'm wondering if i do need to start kicking myself for missing it. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare But by sheer coincidence, last night I was watching the DVD of Ghost Dog*. One of the DVD extras is an "isolated score" audio track, with the music by Wu Tang's RZA. This is quite amazing stuff--very spare and atmospheric--and it's absolutely essential to the feel of the movie. And yes, it uses cheers, --Ross # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) Divine Date: 19 Mar 2001 11:53:43 -0000 He did some stuff with Pete Waterman (of Stock, Aitkin and Waterman fame) producing in the early/mid eighties. There were a couple of hits here, 'walk like a man' and 'you think you're a man (but you're only a boy)'. Astounding to see Divine on Top of The Pops. So Gruff, so Trash, so Eighties Boystown Disco! Really, only to check out if you luurve mindless computer generated pop rubbish. Thats a compliment where I come from. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare But just to bring it back solidly to music, here's Divine's discography. Anybody care to make a recommendation? http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Makeup/8299/disco.html - -- Matt Marchese http://reality.sgi.com/mattm_americas "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) lets pretend its a new thread....Ghost Dog Date: 19 Mar 2001 12:11:27 +0000 G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote: > > It is truly an excellent soundtrack, spooky and distorted. Actually I > enjoyed the film a lot more than any other of jarmusch's films. I thought > it managed to tread the line between boring art house and action film quite > well. > > has the soundtrack been released?, I have a vague recollection of seeing it > on vinyl, and I'm wondering if i do need to start kicking myself for missing > it. > All the Ghost Dog soundtracks (CD and LP) I saw were the usual type of Hip-hop film soundtrack - including a bunch of tracks that weren't in the film. There wasn't a release with just the actual score of the film - the tracks on Napster are from the DVD as far as I know. Certainly the best thing the RZA's done for a couple of years... Did you spot his cameo in the film? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: (exotica) The Blue Hawaiians - Similar Groups? Date: 19 Mar 2001 08:39:27 -0500 Hi all, I scored a copy of The Blue Hawaiians "Savage Night" CD recently and I'm really getting off on that surf/lounge/exotica sound. Their version of Tom Waits' "Jockey Full of Bourbon" is terrific! Can anyone recommend similar contemporary artists/albums? Gracias, Larry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Divine Date: 19 Mar 2001 07:59:26 -0600 G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote: > Really, only to check out if you luurve mindless computer generated pop > rubbish. Thats a compliment where I come from. Yes, It's a Good Thing[tm]! Now to bring it back almost full circle: I would've liked to have seen Divine cast in the dual-role of the Baron Harkonnen and the Lady Jessica in a John Water's all-singing/all-dancing disco version of Dune. Music by the Pet Shop Boys and Giorgio Moroder. Johnny Depp as Paul Atreides Tab Hunter as Duke Leto Atreides Edith Massey as Reverend Mother Helen Gaius Mohaim Ricky Lake as Chani Mink Stole as the Shadout Mapes RuPaul as Feyd That Annoying Little Pepsi Girl as St. Alia of the Knife I'd still want Dali as the Emperor. -- Matt [tm] Martha Stewart Industries. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: forbidden zone ost Date: 19 Mar 2001 06:50:29 -0800 William wrote: > > On CD? For some reason I got the idea that the CD version dropped the > track > > called "Pico and Sepulveda" by Felix Figueroa. A great song (which I > first > you are not wrong. that is not on the cd.:( but i am happy to have > what IS on the cd.:) though i'd rather have the whole movie on dvd. but > somehow i doubt that will be happening anytime soon if ever. The music for this movie, by The Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo and score by Danny Elfman, is really great. However, the movie itself is soo unbelievably weird and strange and incoherent. I love Oingo Boingo (I even have a Boingo Tattoo, http://www.kevdo.com/boingo/) but if I never see this movie again I'm not going to lose any sleep. -Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Crossman Subject: Re: (exotica) The Blue Hawaiians - Similar Groups? Date: 19 Mar 2001 06:52:24 -0800 "Usselman, Lawrence J" wrote: > I scored a copy of The Blue Hawaiians "Savage Night" CD recently and I'm > really getting off on that surf/lounge/exotica sound. Their version of Tom > Waits' "Jockey Full of Bourbon" is terrific! Can anyone recommend similar > contemporary artists/albums? There is a local band in San Francisco called Ape which comes pretty close. They're more exotica/hawaiian than surf but the mix of elements is there! As far as I know they do not have any CDs out but if you hear about any shows in SF definitely see them... -Kevin -- *********************************************************** * Kevin Crossman kevin@kevdo.com * * http://www.kevdo.com - The Narrow Interest Portal * * Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive * *********************************************************** # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: forbidden zone ost Date: 19 Mar 2001 09:07:00 -0600 Kevin Crossman wrote: > The music for this movie, by The Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo and > score by Danny Elfman, is really great. Plus a couple of excellent 3rd-party choices like "Bim Bam Boom", "Minnie the Moocher", and the aforementioned "Pico and Sepulveda". I loved the Mystic Knights (not enough to get a tattoo tho'). Their early shows were inspired multi-instrumental lunacy. > However, the movie itself is soo unbelievably weird and strange and incoherent. But it's got Herve and Susan Tyrrel! Who needs a plot? Besides, it was intended to be a modern reinterpretation of Max Fleischer cartoon in which case the weirdness, strange visuals, and lack of linear plotting make perfect sense. > I love Oingo Boingo (I even have a Boingo Tattoo, http://www.kevdo.com/boingo/) > but if I never > see this movie again I'm not going to lose any sleep. I'd love to see it again and, HUZZAH, it's finally available on VHS! http://www.richardelfman.com/forbiddenzone/ -- Matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) Thai music - country style Date: 19 Mar 2001 15:17:47 -0000 A Thai friend has lent me some tapes (they look suspiciously like Thai equivalents to 'Now thats what I call music vol 96') of what she calls 'Country Style' 80's music from Thailand. Quite different from the bongs and gongs of Thai classical music. Some of it is horrible 80's style pop rock not too dissimilar to Jackie Chans songs that he uses at the end of some of his films (what a multi-talent). But some of it is very good, and I would say not too off topic, it seems to be Eastern music using elements of different Western music for exotic affect. Accordions, for example, seem fairly common. And cha-cha's. That whole Latin ballroom cowbell and bongo percussion thing fed back through something truly exotic, but with the kinds of hooks that make pop music pop music. I've been singing along badly in Thai all week. I don't think I've been caught out on the street yet.... I'm going to get some of the sleeves translated and get some tips on artists as well, but I'd be surprised if no-one on the list had come across it before. (william?) El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Radio Khartoum Subject: Re: (exotica) Demoiselles de Rochefort Date: 19 Mar 2001 09:15:59 -0800 >I've never seen the movie, but immediately after finding the absolutely mint >soundtrack, mostly sung, and showing it to Br. Cleve at a gig he was >spinning, he produced from his box an instrumental version of >same.........Both excellent, but if you prefer instros to vocals.......JB Not at all...I just have trouble listening to the vocals on that soundtrack without being completely distracted by visual memories of the film. Which is great sometimes, but not nearly as often as I might listen to a "normal" record. Chris Montez did a very nice (English language) cover of the main them, btw. Alexander -- Radio Khartoum http://www.radiokhartoum.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Brazilian Beats: Dionne Warwick's batacuda version of Date: 19 Mar 2001 15:55:33 +0100 G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote: >.......................... >Doesn't have >the same barmy appeal as Dionne Warwick's batacuda version of 'Caravan', were is that version to be found? Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Brazilian Beats: Dionne Warwick's batacuda version Date: 19 Mar 2001 18:29:03 +0000 Johan Dada Vis wrote: > > G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote: > >.......................... > >Doesn't have > >the same barmy appeal as Dionne Warwick's batacuda version of 'Caravan', > > were is that version to be found? It's a new track (she now lives in Brazil, evidently) and it's on a compilation called 'Snowboy presents Hi-hat - the true Jazz Dance Sessions' Hi-Hat is the sunday night (once a month?) club at the Jazz Cafe in London run by Snowboy... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) The dream theme structure Date: 19 Mar 2001 20:41:04 +0100 (CET) The little melody used to make it clear that we are now entering a dream or a flashback in a movie, does such a piece have a name? Could you write down the notes and see that all variations are similar in structure? Has anyone on this list investigated this? These short melodies are often very effective and I cant imagine how they do it! Last year I tried to concentrate deeply when I was falling asleep to see if there were any similarities with each occasion, I noticed that the sleep/dream started with one small white dot that gradually grow bigger, I could not sense the exact moment when I lost control over myself, but I had a feeling the white dot spread all over turning the black into white and my mind got twisted around in a way, like the inside turned outside. I have noticed recently that there is a short buzzing sound in my head when I fall asleep that sometimes gives the feeling of a "fall". I am interested in this stuff, maybe it's not that important, but it's fascinating. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) circus freaks and symbolism Date: 19 Mar 2001 14:46:26 -0500 You guys keep talking about weird movies. Jodorowsky and Fellini. They don't really belong together but they're both good examples of a certain kind of aesthetic. Circus freaks and lots of symbolism. I saw Holy Mountain and El Topo twenty odd years ago, stoned. I suspect my memory of them is kinder than they deserve. I never really liked Fellini. I often think about this. I think about the movie that's playing in my head. I think about the kind of movie that I want to make. I don't want to use the word "realism" because Jodorowsky would probably say that one-armed circus freaks represent the reality playing in his head. But the movies I love are somehow closer to banal reality than to the psychedelic funhouse circus parade of Fellini and Jodorowsky. I was thinking of this just a few minutes ago when I finally cracked this book about "film noir" which I bought a while ago but never read. I collect books about film noir but I generally just look at the pictures. In the introduction, the author talks about seeing film noirs for the first time on cheapass TV shows like "Dialing for Dollars". I have similar memories. I'm always trying to recall and recapture the feeling I had watching TV as a kid. I don't think anybody except the late forties and fifty something's on this list will be able to relate to this. What it was like to be born in an essentially pre-television culture. I think I was four or five when we got a TV. What I remember most is not understanding what I was looking at. I remember bad reception and ghost images. A black and white dream operating on rules I couldn't understand. Anyway somehow that connects to my earliest memories of seeing "film noir" and things that resembled film noir. I don't remember if I ever saw Peter Gunn and I'm sure I didn't see Johnny Staccato but I do remember "there's a thousand stories in the Naked City". When I was four, I had my ears lanced. Don't ask what that is but it involved ether. When did they stop using ether? I also had ether when I had my tonsils out. I bring this up because this is my first memory of going downtown. Downtown Toronto where I live now is not all that dark and gothic but compared to where I grew up, the houses are close together and Victorian style, the trees are huge and blot out the sun. Downtown Toronto reminded me of the gothic architecture of the Madeleine book, the book which made all us kids think whenever we had a stomach ache, it was our appendics (sp?) Anyway I loved the idea of the Naked City. This book I'm referring to is called "Dark City". Even as a kid in the suburbs, I loved the idea of the dark naked city. I think the thing that attracted me most to film noir was the attitude of the characters. Their fear and desperation. I've always loved stories about lives going downhill. Spiralling out of control.. Backed into a corner. Nowhere to go but down. Put two and two together and it goes some way towards explaining some of the questionable decisions I've made in my own life. I don't want to be a character in a film noir anymore. But it might be too late. How noir can you get? Anyway I didn't want to put down Jodorowsky and Fellini without offering an alternative. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) The dream theme structure Date: 19 Mar 2001 15:13:23 -0500 At 08:41 PM 3/19/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: >The little melody used to make it clear that we are now entering a >dream or a flashback in a movie, does such a piece have a name? Could >you write down the notes and see that all variations are similar in >structure? Has anyone on this list investigated this? These short >melodies are often very effective and I cant imagine how they do it! Mike Myers was on "The Actor's Studio" yesterday (don't worry Magnus, it's just a somewhat pretentious interview show) and the host asked him about the "doodle oodle" sound and shimmy movement . that Wayne and Garth make in Wayne's World to accompany the wavey lines on the screen that signal a "dream sequence". Anyway I'm not surprised you're interested in this Magnus but I am surprised when you say you can't imagine how they do it. Sometimes it's more obvious - and cliched - and sometimes it's less so but they all follow a general pattern and it works because we're a bunch of Pavlovian dogs and when they apply the stimulus, we jump. It's funny you should bring this up because it kind of relates to my film noir post which I just sent before I received this one. The other day I was watching some old thing that used that scarey Theremin sound in its soundtrack. And I started to wonder if there was any actual reason we associate the Theremin with "spookiness". If you never saw a spooky movie or heard a theremin, would the sound of it make you think of ghosts? I have a vague sense of what my dreams look like but I don't really think I could choose sounds to approximate what it sounds like. So if I had to create a dream sequence, I'd probably fall back on the way they sound in other movies. The truth is that if you DON'T use those cliches, people usually don't get it. If you do use them, then everyone goes "Oh I get it. It's a dream". It's kind of funny because of course the whole thing is a dream. Anyway there's a thousand ways you can go with this... AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) circus freaks and symbolism Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:14:11 +0100 (CET) citerar alan zweig : > I'm always trying to recall and recapture the feeling I had watching TV as > a kid. > I don't think anybody except the late forties and fifty something's on this > list will be able to relate to this. What it was like to be born in an > essentially pre-television culture. You are wrong Alan, I am 31 and I have a similar feeling. Yes film noir attracted me very much as a child, the expressive lightning, night and shiny asphalt. And hoodlums with guns and blonde women. We had just two TV channels in Sweden up to I was in my teens, and video was nonexistent. They seldom screened what i wanted to see. When they ran the Universal horror classics I was maybe 7, and my fascination with horror grew deep. There were some fifties 3D movies a little later, and that was extremely cool. But my greatest memory comes from our old summer house, no electricity, a 10 inch TV driven by the cars battery. The film was "And then there were none" (Also known as "Ten little indians") by Rene Clair. The feeling of that there is no escape has followed me as a nightmare. Also have fine memorys of "the asphalt jungle". I collect Noirs on DVD, some favorites are "the big combo", "the long night" "naked city", "the big sleep" and "champion", Nearly all noirs I have seen has been very good, it seems like there are difficult to fail when making noirs. Now i wait for "kiss me deadly", which will be out this summer, I have not seen it, but I've read alot about it. I choose noir over Jodorowsky anytime. I have enough bizzare stuff in my head allready. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) The dream theme structure Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:40:11 +0100 (CET) citerar alan zweig : > And I started to wonder if there was any actual > reason we associate the Theremin with "spookiness". > If you never saw a spooky movie or heard a theremin, > would the sound of it make you think of ghosts? Good point, I have a deja vu experience just now so I just dont know how to reply. Now its gone, wow. Did you write this last year as well? Since you are between working periods Alan, cant you fly to new guinea and play some theremin for a tribe not yet westernized? I bet you they would describe the sound as spirits and ghosts! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mark jung" Subject: (exotica) cd players Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:02:09 maybe one of you consumer-electronics-folks know: is there a stereo component CD-player that can read MP3 files? i'm looking into swapping out a pair of cd players (one is a relatively new 5-disk marantz that REFUSES to read some CD-Rs, which is really starting to tick me off, and the second's a very nice single-disk old nakamichi that's built like a tank), and i might as well replace them with something that reads mp3 files like my DVD machine does. the tv is not in the same room as the stereo, or i'd just hook that up. RoyGBivIM@aol.com sez: >you have the option of listening to it on your computer or picking and >choosing what you might like to burn to an audio CD to play on your >standard, >good old, CD player. It's really pretty simple. > Also, once you have the mp3s made, it only takes a few minutes to burn >someone a cd-r with 8 hours of music on it. Blank CD-Rs cost next to >nothing, so that's not really a monatary issue. > The most important point is that you'll end up sharing and getting a >mountain of cool music, which is what I always thought this mailing list >was >about. Talking about music is fun, but listening to it is better. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) circus freaks and symbolism Date: 19 Mar 2001 15:41:22 -0600 alan zweig wrote: > I don't think anybody except the late forties and fifty something's on this > list will be able to relate to this. What it was like to be born in an > essentially pre-television culture. I think I was four or five when we got a > TV. I'm 41. I lived in the US until I was 5. I recall watching nothing but Universal horror films between the ages of 3 and 5. My family then moved around in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. I didn't watch any significant amount of television until we moved back to the US when I was 12. When I got back, I think I sat in front of the boob tube for a solid 5 years catching up, taking breaks only to go to the bathroom, school, and occasionally to sleep. During that time, I fed myself a steady diet of noir, horror, spy, sf, and cartoons. However, I associated getting stoned with music, not TV, and films only rarely. I didn't see a Fellini or Jodorowsky film until I was in my late 20s. I gave up drugs at 19, so my appreciation of these types of films was based strictly on the wildly creative style of the film makers and this weird film canvas they painted on. > Anyway I didn't want to put down Jodorowsky and Fellini without offering an > alternative. Why do I have to choose one over the other? Sometimes I feel like a one-armed circus freak, sometimes I feel like that guy in "Detour" -- hitching a ride to nowhere with a gorgeous, but psychotic dame by my side. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross Orr Subject: (exotica) Re: lets pretend its a new thread....Ghost Dog Date: 19 Mar 2001 17:41:14 -0500 El Maestro Con Queso wrote: >has the soundtrack been released?, I have a vague recollection of seeing it >on vinyl, and I'm wondering if i do need to start kicking myself for missing >it. Oooh I should have given a warning about that. The "soundtrack" CD omits most of the cues in the movie, dubs rapping over a couple others, and has a bunch of other tracks (with various guest rappers) that don't appear in the film at all. I really wish you could get the film tracks as full-length instrumentals somewhere. I seem to recall a comment on Fresh Air. . . that the RZA* put together some more elaborate soundtrack music for Ghost Dog, but Jarmusch asked him to go back and do something more minimal. The latter is what got used in the film. I wonder if the soundtrack album is the former with vocals dubbed in. See everything, my brother, --Ross * I have only just learned that one pronounces this "rizza"--which just tells you how uncool *I* am. . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) The dream theme structure Date: 19 Mar 2001 18:01:31 -0500 At 09:40 PM 3/19/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: >Since you are between working periods Alan, cant you fly to new guinea >and play some theremin for a tribe not yet westernized? I bet you they >would describe the sound as spirits and ghosts! I bet they wouldn't. Or put it this way; it doesn't make sense to me that they would. Assuming that all such cliches are constructed, it would be interesting to find out if any of these cliches cut across all cultures, primitive or not. The closest thing to a theremin in primitive culture is probably a digeridoo. I assume that they use the instrument to convey a whole array of emotions and moods. But to us, the digeridoo probably sounds like nature and spirits. Im WAAAAAAAY out of my depth here. Better shut up. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) circus freaks and symbolism Date: 19 Mar 2001 18:13:31 -0500 At 03:41 PM 3/19/01 -0600, Matt Marchese wrote: > >Why do I have to choose one over the other? Sometimes I feel like a one-armed >circus freak, sometimes I feel like that guy in "Detour" -- hitching a ride to >nowhere with a gorgeous, but psychotic dame by my side. You don't have to choose one over the other and I wouldn't suggest to people with eclectic taste in music that they limit their taste in film. It's just that it's my experience that, at least when it comes to films and literature, there's the "center of my taste" and then there's stuff on the fringes of my taste. There's the stuff that touches me as if it's a part of me and then there's the stuff that I can appreciate in the right mood. When I look at other filmmakers and what they're trying to communicate, I sometimes feel as if they're virtually working in another medium. A good example would be someone I'm actually proud to call a friend and the only genius I know, Guy Maddin. If I had the opportunity to make every film I ever thought of making, I would never make a single frame that looked like it came from one of Guy's films. And to some extent I feel the same way about the films I want to see. On the right day with the right mood, I can sometimes get a slight charge out of films with circus freaks and overt symbolism. But generally they don't speak to me. But the opening scene of "The High Wall" with the gallows reflected in the puddle. And don't get me started on "In a Lonely Place". I'm sure there's a way to take this discussion in a musical direction. Be my guest. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) James Booker Date: 20 Mar 2001 00:46:58 +0000 I've been playing a couple of Mr. Booker discs recently. I got them in a trade with Dom da Bomb (ciao, Domenico!) and I quite like his brand of piano r'n'b, though it's not exactly what I had in my mind. I knew him via the torrid groove-injected instro "Gonzo", a 1965 organ driven floorfiller, which is a fave of mine. The question is: can anybody suggest any Booker discs in his groovy organ vein? Thanks for your help. Ciao Gionni # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: (exotica) freshman mind-set Date: 19 Mar 2001 18:58:03 -0500 Every year Beloit College in Wisconsin releases a list that is handed out to all of their professors to help illustrate the mind-set of the incoming freshman class. There are often major differences in 'frames of references' between the two generations. Here are the music-realted references from this year's list.... guranteed to make a few of us, including myself, feel a bit old. Most students entering college last fall in the class of 2004, were born in 1982. - Grace Kelly, Elvis Presley, Karen Carpenter, and the E.R.A. have always been dead. - Kurt Cobain’s death was the “day the music died.” - A “45” is a gun, not a record with a large hole in the center. - They have no clue what the Beach Boys were talking about when they sang about a 409, and the Little Deuce Coupe. - Punk Rock is an activist movement, not a musical form. - Around-the-clock coverage of congress, public affairs, weather reports, and rock videos have always been available on cable. - They were born the same year that Ebony and Ivory lived in perfect harmony. - Elton John has only been heard on easy listening stations. - Woodstock is a bird or a reunion, not a cultural touchstone. - They only know Madonna singing American Pie. - They neither know who Billy Joe was, nor wondered what he was doing on the Talahatchee Bridge. - The Osmonds are talk show hosts. The full 50 item list and past year lists can be seen at ..... http://www.beloit.edu/~pubaff/releases/Mindset-List-2004.html Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) circus freaks and symbolism Date: 19 Mar 2001 18:34:30 -0600 alan zweig wrote: > It's just that it's my experience that, at least when it comes to films and > literature, there's the "center of my taste" and then there's stuff on the > fringes of my taste. There's the stuff that touches me as if it's a part of me > and then there's the stuff that I can appreciate in the right mood. Ok, now I understand where you're coming from. Thanks for clarifying. Some movies you have to be in the mood for, some movies say, "You're in the mood, dammit, watch me!" In order for a film to touch me deeply, it has to have great music. I can watch a film or television show without a musical soundtrack and it always seems detached, cold, I can't connect with it. Yet there are films where I can't remember anything about the plot or acting, but I can vividly remember the score. Music also creates a sense of community. There's some interesting neural research going on at the moment that's investigating why that is. Music apparently affects the same areas of our brains that religion does. This would explain why I often get very transcendental feelings when singing or listening to certain types of music. I also get like that when watching movies with very powerful scores. > I'm sure there's a way to take this discussion in a musical direction. > Be my guest. I think I just did. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) James Booker Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:20:39 -0500 >>The question is: can anybody suggest any Booker discs in his groovy >organ vein? Hey! That's a good question. I've heard this guy on the radio and it thrilled me so I bought those disks. Not quite I heard on the radio....List menbers: Show us da groovy ones! Know it will take us straight to heaven. Domenic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica)musical & symbols Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:53:24 EST In a message dated 3/19/1 7:36:59 PM, mjmarch@charter.net wrote: >In order for a film to touch me deeply, it has to have great music. Try Frederick Wiseman's "Titticut Follies" ...Not a note to be heard, yet......... >I can watch a film or television show without a musical soundtrack and it >always seems detached, cold, I can't connect with it. Sounds like life itself for me at times! BTW, has anyone noticed Fantastic Plastic Machine's music in that car commercial?...JB/Clintonian Legacy: Eight years between two Bushes # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) James Booker Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:55:08 EST In a message dated 3/19/1 9:21:18 PM, djdciccone@hotmail.com wrote: >Show us da groovy ones! Know it will take us straight to heaven. Hey, everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica)musical & symbols Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:14:43 -0600 DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/19/1 7:36:59 PM, mjmarch@charter.net wrote: > > >In order for a film to touch me deeply, it has to have great music. > > Try Frederick Wiseman's "Titticut Follies" ...Not a note to be heard, > yet......... TF is definitely a powerful film, but the response it provoked in me was primarily one of revulsion at the utter inhumanity of it all. I couldn't really relate to anyone in it. But it's interesting to ponder whether my response would've been different with a well-orchestrated soundtrack. Can a swelling string section suddenly make one feel empathy with the criminally insane or their jailers? It seems to have worked for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) spookiness Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:47:31 +0800 >The other day I was watching some old thing that used that scarey Theremin >sound in its soundtrack. And I started to wonder if there was any actual >reason we associate the Theremin with "spookiness". >If you never saw a spooky movie or heard a theremin, would the sound of it >make you think of ghosts? interesting point. years ago the father of a friend of mine asked me the same thing. his family is finish and his relatives from finland would play this music which he thought of really sad and depressing but to them was not. so what makes us think of some music as sad or scary and others not? is it just a cultural thing we have learned or is it more? i suspect it has become more uniform now with the onslaught of american culture existing just about everywhere on the planet. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) re: thai music - country style Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:57:44 +0800 >A Thai friend has lent me some tapes (they look suspiciously like Thai >equivalents to 'Now thats what I call music vol 96') of what she calls >'Country Style' 80's music from Thailand. Quite different from the bongs >and gongs of Thai classical music. Some of it is horrible 80's style pop >rock not too dissimilar to Jackie Chans songs that he uses at the end of >some of his films (what a multi-talent). But some of it is very good, and >I would say not too off topic, it seems to be Eastern music using elements >of different Western music for exotic affect. >I'm going to get some of the sleeves translated and get some tips on artists >as well, but I'd be surprised if no-one on the list had come across it >before. (william?) nope, i've never heard it before. but i haven't been to thailand yet.(maybe next year) and the only thai music that surfaces here is just the typical pretty boy pop shlock that is not that much different from typical chinese pop music. i'm curious about it though. was it a thai song that the butthole surfers mutialted years ago?(i think the song was called "kunts" or something) or was that a laotion song? i think it was laotion but i'm not sure. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) circus freaks and symbolism Date: 19 Mar 2001 23:04:56 -0500 At 06:34 PM 3/19/01 -0600, Matt Marchese wrote: >In order for a film to touch me deeply, it has to have great music. Do you mean great music or a great soundtrack? To me they're not the same thing though they can sometimes be. Case in point: "Nurse Betty". The soundtrack is utterly manipulative and I loved it. I'm pretty sure it made me like the film more than I otherwise would have. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita@wanadoo.nl Subject: Re: (exotica)musical & symbols Date: 20 Mar 2001 05:37:20 +0100 DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > >In order for a film to touch me deeply, it has to have great music. > > Try Frederick Wiseman's "Titticut Follies" ...Not a note to be heard, > yet......... There's a guy in Titticut Follies singing "the Ballad of the Green Barets" I once taped parts of the Titticut Follies onto audio cassette and played it on our radio station. http://www.radio100.nl/_eng/index.html I started out mixing it with music, but the Follies tape was so powerful I ended up just playing it clean. What struck me is that some of the "crazies" seemed to have a lot more sense than their doctors. (Maybe this says more about me). I think schizophrenics are tapping into similar sources as shamans are, only they have no choice and no control over it. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica)musical & symbols Date: 19 Mar 2001 20:52:03 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > edjunkita@wanadoo.nl > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 8:37 PM > DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > > >In order for a film to touch me deeply, it has to have great music. > > > > Try Frederick Wiseman's "Titticut Follies" ...Not a note to be heard, > > yet......... But isn't Titicut Follies itself the name of the musical revue that the patients were supposed to be putting on? Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: (exotica) Divine! Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:19:24 -0500 Matt wrote: > But just to bring it back solidly to music, here's Divine's discography. > Anybody care to make a recommendation? OK you forced me into it! My favourite (and the only one I have) is a disco 12" with the song "You think You're a Man". I also have a video made with Divine doing this same song on an old videotape collection. I particularly enjoyed it as it was so radically opposed to the slick, clean and contrived image that was American Disco. Disco was surely never the same after this... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: (exotica) Holger Hiller Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:36:44 -0500 I know there was some interest a while back so I should mention there is a new CD out by Holger Hiller on Mute. It's self titled and seems to have received little attention. I've always been disappointed that this label, Mute, which almost singlehandedly started the new wave, evolved into what became a major label with poor distribution, astronomic prices and very inconsistent acts. Finally in th epast years Mute has began pressing outside the UK and costs have come down to a reasonable level. You can hear samples from this new recording at CD Now, which is where I discovered of its existance. I've been a fan of Hiller since back in the days of the early German New Wave, and for fans of cut and reassembled music which is more experimental, but hightly musical, there are few better in my collection. Its not easy to track down many of his earlier recordings but they're worth searching out. He has a small page within the Mute website. I think Moritz would know him as he was associated early on with the AtaTak label. A future Space Bop will surely feature his music. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) The Blue Hawaiians - Similar Groups? Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:26:22 -0500 > I scored a copy of The Blue Hawaiians "Savage Night" CD recently and > I'm really getting off on that surf/lounge/exotica sound. Their version of Tom > Waits' "Jockey Full of Bourbon" is terrific! Can anyone recommend similar > contemporary artists/albums? Where to start! The most bizarre if only for being totally unexpected, has to be surf music as played by the Finnish (yes that's Finnish!) group Laika and the Cosmonauts. There are four CDs available, all imports. Not to be confused with the group Laika who are more prog rock influenced. Closer to home there are plenty of great new Surf acts in the US, the best of whom include The Phantom Surfers and Man... Or Astro man. I've recently discovered there was a big surf music scene in, of all places, East Germany, in the 60's with groups like The Javalins who have a CD reissue out on Bear family. Who'd have thought! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: (exotica) Re: film noir Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:57:11 -0500 Alan wrote: > You guys keep talking about weird movies. Jodorowsky and Fellini... > But the movies I love are somehow closer to banal reality than to the > psychedelic funhouse circus parade of Fellini and Jodorowsky... > I think the thing that attracted me most to film noir was the attitude of > the characters. Their fear and desperation. How about the bizzarre mixed with film noir? I think of the film "Whity", Fassbinder's gay melodramatic western... Of course just about any Fassbinder film has elements of the bizzarre and at the same time film noir (no shortage of desperation too for that matter!). I think he was a fan of Douglas Sirk if I remember correctly. Of course a number of Wim Wenders' films would also qualify, though not as bizarre. And just to squelch anyone that says you can't make anything of this genre that's good anymore, I dare anyone to tell me Wenders "The Wings of Desire" isn't up there with the best of the category, of any category if you ask me! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: (exotica) Space Bop - CKUT funding drive Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:45:20 -0500 Me again... I'm on a posrting roll... Just to let any listeners on the list know that CKUT is gearing up for its annual funding drive and the next two Space Bop shows will be happening within the 10 period of the funding drive. We're a station funded partly by McGill students, partly by ad revenues and partly by listener pledges. Do check out the website and listen in for giveaways in exchange for pledges. Anyway for the funding drive shows we try to play favourites, things that got a lot of response, and hopefully what listeners want to hear (if we don't get pledges we also threaten listeners with things they may NOT want to hear but we never have to folow through...often...) so anyone having any requests let either Cheryl or myself know and we'll do what we can. A pledege to go along would help immensely, so listen in and help to keep us on the air! Cheryl & Brian ----SPACE BOP---- heard live on... CKUT 90.3 FM in MONTREAL, CANADA every Sunday between 16:00 to 17:00 Eastern time Hear it via RealAudio on the web at http://www.ckut.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation Date: 19 Mar 2001 21:13:22 -0500 Moritz wrote: > As for Rota covers, I have to mention the Fibonaccis, one of the bands on > the Index label, that was founded by the president of the Residents fan club, > Phil Culp. All of these seem to have disappeared mysteriously. I didn't know about this connection! I first disovered the Fibonnacis featured with Stan Ridgeway and John Lurie on the soundtrack to the film "Slam Dance" by then obscure American director Wayne Wang. After, I managed to find an LP and 12" which were made earlier. I don't remember them being heavy on Nono Rota but the music was more of the American new wave sound. For Rota covers there are none better than Pascal Comelade though! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita@wanadoo.nl Subject: Re: (exotica) Thai music - country style Date: 20 Mar 2001 06:31:35 +0100 There is a vast & unexplored area of cool 50's - 70's asian and african pop/rock/jazz/EL music out there waiting to be discovered. It's amazing how they take western music and give it thier own bizar twist. I've been searching the net in vain for sites covering this (in english), I'll probably end up having to make one myself. some of my favorites (I haven't even got round to the african stuff yet) : Girls in the garage vol. 9 various female vocalists from singapore featuring covers of Fever, Sugartown, Hanky Panky etc. http://www.gethip.com/romulan/ufox-27.html Cambodia rocks wild stuff! http://www.parallel-world.com/acrocks.htm Ho! Vietnam Roady Music covers of Ghostriders in the Sky and Apache (vocal) http://trikont.de/english/artist/e_ho.html QDK Media has released 4 good albums of asian pop music: http://www.psychedelic-music.com/qdk1.html Doob Doob O'Rama 1 & 2 Bollywood rock & roll Love Peace & Poetry- Asian Psychedelic Music Asian Takeaway Chinese & Korean rock&roll Plus a bunch of obscure vinyls with chinese cha-cha, japanese psychedelica & easy listening, indonesian surf, etc. RE: Thai cha-cha: Can't you encode some mp3's a put them up somewhere so we can hear them? G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote: > A Thai friend has lent me some tapes > But some of it is very good, and > I would say not too off topic, it seems to be Eastern music using elements > of different Western music for exotic affect. > > Accordions, for example, seem fairly common. And cha-cha's. That whole > Latin ballroom cowbell and bongo percussion thing fed back through something > truly exotic, but with the kinds of hooks that make pop music pop music. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Sampling Poem Date: 20 Mar 2001 02:14:26 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:50:22 +0100 >From: Moritz R >Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling > >a sampling poem: > > >"I have a computer!" >all image and no substance >My ears cant stand >stupid loop >samples courtesy of Magnus and Steve Bravo! You truly captured it! Now you owe me fifty dollars for the performance license. You'll have to negotiate with Magnus separately. heheheh! See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) "Good" art Date: 20 Mar 2001 02:14:18 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:01:43 -0500 >From: buMp >Subject: Re: (exotica)sampling debate > >another example would be dadaist extrordinaire Marcel Duchamp and his >FOUNTAIN sculpture, >which was nothing but a URINAL turned upside down with the word "Fountain" >written on it. >a perfect example of lifting someone elses work to another level or context. >using the design and intent of someone else and twisting it into a artistic >idea of your own. Guess what I think of that particular "masterpiece". See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) More Sampling Date: 20 Mar 2001 02:14:14 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:06:33 -0500 >From: buMp >Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals > >>I think that sampling is at its core disrespectful, >>and a distortion of the original artist's intention. > >that is funny, i feel it is the total opposite. >i sample things i have great respect for. >i am not distorting the original artist's intention because with sound >collages, I am the artist, with an intention of making a interesting >piece of work out of many. >the sampled item is the means, not the end, therefore there is no way i can >be distorting any other artists intention since that has nothing to do with >what i am doing. There are contradictions everywhere here. If you sample things you have great respect for, why are you changing them? If the other artist's intention has nothing to do with what you are doing, how can you NOT be distorting the original artist's intention. My question is, why don't you make your own samples from your own performances? >some of us are not musicians and will never be, but technology and >taste has evolved (or devolved, however you wanna stand on it) to a >point we can make music using existing sounds we find exciting no >matter where they come from. Bingo. It's music by non-musicians. The only art of it is in the *editing*. That is exactly what I object to. I think editing should serve filmmaking and musical performance. It shouldn't replace it. >what about words and the intentions of authors??? >what if i use a part of a sentence from a William Burroughs story >to create a lyric in a song Try publishing some of Burroughs works as part of your own, and based on how much of Burroughs remains, the lawyers from his estate would be happy to give you an opinion on that. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Bad Sampling Date: 20 Mar 2001 02:14:16 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:35:26 -0800 >From: "F. Cobalt" >Subject: (exotica) Re: sampling debate > >To me, an example of a "bad" sample in a song is when it is so long, you >can easily figure out what it is, and then you find yourself wanting to >hear the original song the sample came from. That's my only contention. That makes sense. If your sample consists of a single note, rather than a complete musical phrase, you've reduced it down to it's basic element, and you aren't using any of the original artist's work. It would be like if you used the word "be" in a sentence, you wouldn't be riding on Shakespere's coattails with "to be or not to be". But if you use the phrase "to be or not to be" you are definitely referencing and exploiting Hamlet. But it seems to me that if you are breaking things down that far, you might as well just map all the notes of a scale on a keyboard and play it like a piano. That wouldn't be considered sampling though would it? It would be just creating a voice for a keyboard. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Editing Date: 20 Mar 2001 02:14:20 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:00:55 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals > >At 10:06 AM 3/16/01 -0500, buMp wrote: >> >Far be it from me to defend Ken Burns and his artless "gather excerpts and >explain" style of filmmaking. But certainly that style is effective. No, it isn't. >It can be annoying but at the very least, you'd have to call it a >"necessary evil". No, I wouldn't. >What about art books? It's true that it would be much better to see the >paintings at their original size. In fact, you could make the argument >that shrinking the size of a painting to fit it in a book so severely >distorts the artist's intentions that it would be better if we never saw >this "representation" at all. Presenting a complete painting in a smaller size is nothing at all like cutting the painting up and mixing it up with a dozen other paintings. If you took your drivers license picture and pasted it over the figures on the Sistine Chapel, that might be amusing, but it wouldn't be repectful of the original work. Re: Film editing and Sampling >I'm not sure how these two issues got conflated into one. Both sampling and filmmaking where the editing rides roughshod over the content are examples of "editing" as an "art". I don't believe editing should be an art unto itself. I think its purpose is to serve the art of the content, not the other way around. >It's like a cooking show. They show you how they prepare it and then for >the sake of time, they pull one out of the oven that's already been cooking. >Surely you don't say "Hey I wanted to watch it cooking". That isn't the same at all. A better example would be a cooking show where a chicken is plucked, and then a ham is put in the oven, and then two seconds later fried eggs are pulled out of a frying pan. The editing might all hook up and make sense, but the content is meaningless. >I loved that he did that. Not many filmmakers think about the "meaning" of >the techniques they use. They just do them. That is EXACTLY what I am complaining about. Technique at the expense of content. >I could ask that anyone who replies to my post, please refrain from >excerpting any phrase or sentence since it will inherently distort my >meaning and the beauty of my work. >But I won't. Happy to oblige! Quoted below... exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:00:55 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals > >At 10:06 AM 3/16/01 -0500, buMp wrote: >> >>ps. i do agree wholeheartedly about your documentary film opinions. > >I'm not sure who you're agreeing with here bump. But somehow I assume you >meant the other guy, the guy who doesn't like to see or hear "excerpts" of >the subject's work in a documentary. >Far be it from me to defend Ken Burns and his artless "gather excerpts and >explain" style of filmmaking. >But certainly that style is effective. It can be annoying but at the very >least, you'd have to call it a "necessary evil". >What about art books? It's true that it would be much better to see the >paintings at their original size. In fact, you could make the argument >that shrinking the size of a painting to fit it in a book so severely >distorts the artist's intentions that it would be better if we never saw >this "representation" at all. >And I might almost agree. >Except then we'd have no art books, no photography books and no films about >artists or photographers or musicians or chefs or candlestickmakers. > >I'm not sure how these two issues got conflated into one. (is that the >proper use of the word "conflate"?) >Sampling images or music for what is in essence a "collage", is really >nothing like excerpting pieces of music to illustrate a point in a >documentary. >I could give you a thousand silly arguments to illustrate the point that >documentarians have no choice but to use that technique. >It's like a cooking show. They show you how they prepare it and then for >the sake of time, they pull one out of the oven that's already been cooking. >Surely you don't say "Hey I wanted to watch it cooking". >Or maybe you do. > >If this list were simply a debating forum, it might be interested to debate >HOW filmmakers choose to excerpt and sample. >There are issues to debate there. For instance, I know one filmmaker who >specialized in films about painters. Like me, he was sick of this >technique for shooting paintings that almost everyone uses. The moves are >so consistent, it's like they were done with a machine. And often they were. >90% of films about painting start with a closeup in the middle of the >painting, then slide slightly to the right (or left) and gradually pull >back till you see the whole painting. >This guy decided never to do that. He just shows the whole painting, no >camera moves or closeups. >I loved that he did that. Not many filmmakers think about the "meaning" of >the techniques they use. They just do them. > >And I guess the same thing can be said for "music samplers". I've heard >some stuff where it seemed like they just threw in a sample, not because >they needed to or because it was integral to the piece but simply "because >they could". > >Jesus, this is a huge topic. > >I could ask that anyone who replies to my post, please refrain from >excerpting any phrase or sentence since it will inherently distort my >meaning and the beauty of my work. >But I won't. > >AZ Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Remixing vs Sampling Date: 20 Mar 2001 02:14:24 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:17:36 EST >From: Dj45rpm@aol.com >Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling / Originals > >Personally, I think that posthumous "remixing projects" (such as the one >done for/to Miles Davis) where the original artist has of course no say >in what's being done to his/her/their music, or "improvements" done to >artists' records without said artists' consent (e.g. a certain Captain >Beefheart album, there's probably a hundred more examples) are far more >distortive and disrespectful to the original artist than any amout of >sampling. I would agree with you, because at least with sampling, it is clear to the listener that they are not hearing the music as it was inteneded. Remixing of music is deceptively presented as "restored" which completely misrepresents what has been done to it. Most serious musicians paid a lot of attention to how their music sounded on LP. Reissued CD's should hew as close to that sound as technologically possible. Releasing remixed tracks as the original is outright fraud as far as I'm concerned. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Remixes Date: 20 Mar 2001 02:14:22 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:37:22 -0500 >From: Lou Smith >Subject: Re: (exotica) More slicing and dicing > >At 03:45 PM 3/16/01 -0800, Steve wrote: > >>As I said... every time I've heard music using samples from tunes >>I am familiar with, I feel that the person doing the sampling >>produced nothing more worthwhile and valid than the original artist >>who created the music in the first place did. >> >Um, so where do re-mixes fit into all this? Especially when they've been >commissioned by the original artist?? > >Lou Different performances by the same artist stand or fall based on their own particular merits, don't they? See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: film noir Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:09:25 +0100 Brian schrieb: > Fassbinder > I think he was a fan of Douglas Sirk if I remember correctly. Really? That would explain a lot! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Space Bop - CKUT funding drive Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:09:30 +0100 Brian schrieb: > Me again... surprisingly active suddenly! > so anyone having any > requests let either Cheryl or myself know and we'll do what we can. why not Warm Leatherette, speaking of Daniel Miller... Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Holger Hiller Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:09:37 +0100 Brian schrieb: > I know there was some interest a while back so I should mention there i= s a > new CD out by Holger Hiller on Mute. It's self titled and seems to hav= e > received little attention. I've always been disappointed that this lab= el, > Mute, which almost singlehandedly started the new wave, evolved into wh= at > became a major label with poor distribution, astronomic prices and very= > inconsistent acts. I have to protect Mute and especially Daniel Miller, who's been running i= t from the beginning, a bit: One thing about the inconsistency of its act= is only the back side of the medal, that Daniel never kicks any artists = out. I mean it is well known now that the label is all based on handshake= contracts, but lesser known how fair and true Daniel really is to his ar= tists. I have never heard any complaints. He managed to finance the poorl= y selling pruducts with the best-sellers like nobody else. The thing with= the distribution maybe true for Canada. Here Mute was always distributed= very well and if you know the situation in the major-dominated market, t= his is a small wonder for an indie label. I admire Daniel very much: he's= one of the few people who succeeded in keeping up the original idea of i= ndies and I'm still waiting for the Daniel Miller Story to be written and= filmed. Besides he was The Normal and with this little masterpiece of pr= e-new-wave he's a legend anyway. > I've been a fan of Hiller since back in the days of the early German Ne= w Wave, Me too... maybe I should never have known him personally. [ that was a ;-= ) ] > I think Moritz would know him as he was associated early on with the At= aTak label. I was living with him in a small appartment for half a year in Hamburg. H= is mother used to cook for us and clean the kitchen. She wrote lyrics tha= t she used to read to people in the bus. Many of these texts appeared in = songs by Andreas Dorau. It's a funny family story. > A future Space Bop will surely feature his music. He deserves it. I don't know his new album. He never sends his albums out= to his friends =3D a mistake. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de =2E......................................................................= =2E. n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) John Edmund Andrew Phillips Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:14:33 +0100 music history still has surprises for me: I didn't know that John Phillips wrote San Francisco! R.I.P.! Mo impressed drug kraut P.S.: did a I miss a post by Dr. Death? -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling Poem Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:36:59 +0100 bigshot schrieb: > Bravo! thanks for the flowers! I was trying to prove in a playful way that something new can come out of sampling; I guess I succeeded. > You truly captured it! Now you owe me fifty dollars for the performance license. according to which law? > You'll have to negotiate with Magnus separately. Magnus unfortunately became a victim of his own voodoo magic last night. I guess he put the needle in the wrong puppet. As for me: I slept amazingly well! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Sampling Poem Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:52:03 +0100 (CET) citerar Moritz R : As for me: I slept amazingly > well! It was a kind voodoo, the aftereffects will come in a day or two. M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) "Good" art Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:54:35 +0100 bigshot schrieb: > Marcel Duchamp and his > >FOUNTAIN sculpture, > >which was nothing but a URINAL > > Guess what I think of that particular "masterpiece". :-D Believe it or not, Steve: In the case of Marcel Duchamp's appreciation we can probably shake hands. But you can't blame him from what art-people made of him. As it is in so many cases: I consider the original gag, that this objet trouvee really was, as OK and something that had to be done once. Just once! The real problem about Marcel Duchamp are the masses of epigones and critics, who as usual completely misunderstand, take too serious and over-interpret what once was just a single provocative surrealistic prank and comment on the art market. Once it was proven that a trivial object could be declared as a piece of art, it was over. No need to prove it again, let alone again and again a thousand times. It only proves that the avantgarde today is as conservative as the conservatives. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Bad Sampling Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:55:20 +0100 bigshot wrote: > If your sample consists of a single note, rather > than a complete musical phrase, you've reduced it down to it's basic > element, and you aren't using any of the original artist's work. It > would be like if you used the word "be" in a sentence, you wouldn't > be riding on Shakespere's coattails with "to be or not to be". But if > you use the phrase "to be or not to be" you are definitely referencing > and exploiting Hamlet. But then you're forgetting that most important thing in music, expression. There are an infinite numbers of ways to produce a certain note on a instrument. John Coltranes E flat certainly sounds different than the E flat of the guy rehearsing next door. Sure thing if you sampled just one note of Coltrane, you'd be riding on his coattails. Just lean back and enjoy the ride! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Book of Tiki is Terrific!!! Date: 20 Mar 2001 13:11:37 +0100 (CET) I have glanced at it before, but today my own copy arrived of the Book of Tiki, excellent book! I just dont know what to say, its a perfect companion to my LPs, it makes me really happy, how fun it all seems, I only wished I could have been there in the fifties and sixties, or the fourties... Amazing. It was also nice to see the cover of a Bengt Danielsson book, he is one of my childhood heroes. I dont know if I shall feel bad or proud since I have performed voodoo on the cover artist, Mo, I have said it before (at least to myself) I am a great fan of your work. I wish I coould paint like that, but since I am colorblind I guess I never will. I ordered it from Barnes and Noble, and just as I thought, it slipped through the custom, no extra fees. Recommended to all you non US citizens that has similar problems with Amazon.com. The book was just as cheap at Barnes and Noble too, and it arrived faster. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) The dream theme structure Date: 20 Mar 2001 13:11:38 -0000 > And I started to wonder if there was any actual > reason we associate the Theremin with "spookiness". > If you never saw a spooky movie or heard a theremin, > would the sound of it make you think of ghosts? - YES! This type of stuff always gets me started on the 'music mirrors human emotion' type rant. And that usually develops into the 'music mirrors society' rant as well. Music is a language that expresses so much more than is obviously recognisable. Try speaking or singing or humming the following: 'I'm scared' as if you are really scared. 'I'm so excited' as if you are excited. 'I hate you so much' as if you are really angry. You should find that your vocal sounds mimic the appropriate soundtrack that would express the same. Of course, the soundtrack is mimicking human emotional voicings. Am I making sense? How about a major key fanfare (of brass instruments for example), all blasting together - its a reproduction of lots of human voices singing the same thing - often rising up the scale in large steps. Suggests unity, commonality, harmony (the same word) and the major key implies happiness with the rising implying joy or positivity. Think of the end of an advert for a bland soap powder or some such which ends with a major rising harmony of voices all coming together. Happy agreement! Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......(Lenny Dee) Date: 20 Mar 2001 08:41:44 -0500 Whew! I'm back!! =20 For a while there I wasn't getting any messages - now I'm rolling around = in 540 of 'em!!!!! Whoooo Hoooooo! Anyway, good 'ol Lenny Dee. I had no idea he cut SO MANY records!!! Came = across a huge selection of his at a flea market recently and as I flipped, = I got this weird "age progession" visual as the albums became more = recent................ - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: (exotica) Under Paris Skies Date: 20 Mar 2001 10:31:39 -0500 Several of you have mentioned your disappointment with the Ultralounge "Bachelor in Paris" CD, and I share that sentiment. I'm just curious if there is widespread distaste for the "Parisian" genre. Among the albums I picked up last Saturday was one by Gloria Lasso, called something like "France's Femme Fatal Sings the Top Hits in Europe" that has some terrific exotica-esque tracks replete with bongos and bossa-nova beats. Lasso has a silky, though not necessarily sexy, voice. (It might help that I don't speak French.) There are plenty of "Under Paris Skies" albums that I could live without, but there are also quite a few that I like, including Maurice Larcange's first album in the Phase 4 series. I'm a bit of a sucker for accordian (but I laugh every time I think of the FarSide cartoon with angels entering heaven being presented with harps while the damned entering hell are presented with accordians). Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) Film noir recommendation Date: 20 Mar 2001 07:43:03 -0800 (PST) An exoticat on the list, Paul Dean, loaned me Mickey One. I don't know how I missed this classic film noir masterpiece. A young Warren Betty is running from the mob in a dark kafka/fellini shadowy world. I really recomend this film. Easy listening in the Big Easy, Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "james brouwer" Subject: (exotica) re: film noir / recommends... Date: 20 Mar 2001 16:13:31 -0000 >Alan wrote: > You guys keep talking about weird movies. Jodorowsky and Fellini... > But the movies I love are somehow closer to banal reality than to > the >psychedelic funhouse circus parade of Fellini and Jodorowsky... > I think the thing that attracted me most to film noir was the > attitude >of > the characters. Their fear and desperation. not to mention the ruthless dialogue, the strangely distanced performances, the cloistered cityscapes, the jagged lighting, and the no-way-out pall of doom that hangs over every tipped fedora and shadowed street in these films. They're understated. They're subtle, in a way that Fellini isn't, and yet they fuck my head better than anything "8 1/2" delivers. And they resonate with each other like the best of Hitchcock: watch "Out of the Past", "Kiss Me Deadly" ; "The Big Combo" and "Double Indemnity" and you'll see what I mean. I'm with Alan 100% on this one. You can't get cooler than Robert Mitchum in "Out of the Past", except perhaps Lee Marvin in "Point Blank". And then there's "Performance" by Roeg and Cammel, but that really isn't a noir, more the most fantastically poisoned film-universe you'll ever see. just my two pennies in the fountain... jb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Keane Subject: (exotica) Tiki book alert Date: 20 Mar 2001 10:31:28 -0600 (CST) We here at the exotica library got a book today that has loads of beautifully designed rattan and bamboo furniture. Not only is the stuff exotically correct, the designs are very mid-century modern. I don't even like bamboo that much, but this stuff is nice. Some great textile patterns, too. The book is called : _Rattan : tropical comfort throughout the house_ by Harvey Schwartz. -- Kerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) The Bran Flakes and Tipsy Date: 20 Mar 2001 08:34:22 -0800 (PST) Bran Flakes: "I Don't Have A Friend" LOMO002 (2000) The Bran Flakes are one of the funniest bizarre bands I have ever encountered. Its obvious that Mr Fodder has spent a lot of time thrifting. This is the most fun sampled music on the planet earth. The samples are everywhere in the music! The Bran Flakes in a song about a cross dresser, show no shame and bravely sample "He's A Rebel" by one of the "Big Three Thou Shall Not Sample" entities, Phil Spector. (The other 2 are Disney and Mike Love/Not War - Beach Boys Inc.) The Bran Flakes have their own sound, just as Tipsy does. When you hear a Bran Flakes song you know its them. "I Don't Have A Friend" is really a great and strange cd. The Bran Flakes understand how to use sampling to create a really weird universe of music. The album is really a fun listen! This cd is perhaps their best but I also highly recommend "Hey Won't Somebody Come Out And Play", (1999) and "I Remember When I Break Down", (1998) on the Ovenguard label. Go to the site: http://www.thebranflakes.com for sound samples and ordering information. Don't miss out on the link to Scrumdillyishus Land!! This is a fantastic music video site! One of my favorites on the www. The songs on scrumdillyishus are mainly on their first 2 cds. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) circus freaks and symbolism Date: 20 Mar 2001 12:33:34 -0600 alan zweig wrote: > At 06:34 PM 3/19/01 -0600, Matt Marchese wrote: > > >In order for a film to touch me deeply, it has to have great music. > > Do you mean great music or a great soundtrack? For me, it usually means scored with a great original soundtrack. However, there are cases where I think that a film is much enhanced by the use of non-original music. I can also think of a couple of films that effectively combine the two. A recent example would be "Rushmore" which combined a number of slam-bang classic British Invasion tunes with a fine original score by Mark Mothersbaugh. > Case in point: "Nurse Betty". The soundtrack is utterly manipulative and I > loved it. I'm pretty sure it made me like the film more than I otherwise > would have. I haven't seen this yet, but there's no question that a great soundtrack can make a mediocre film seem much better or make a good film great. When I think of manipulative soundtracks, Steven Spielberg's movies immediately come to mind. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Film noir recommendation Date: 20 Mar 2001 12:36:42 -0600 Chuck wrote: > An exoticat on the list, Paul Dean, loaned me Mickey One. I don't > know how I missed this classic film noir masterpiece. A young > Warren Betty is running from the mob in a dark kafka/fellini > shadowy world. I really recomend this film. Seconded. The jazz soundtrack by Eddie Sauter and Stan Getz is phenomenal. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) The Bran Flakes and Tipsy Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:22:56 -0800 (PST) Bran Flakes: "I Don't Have A Friend" LOMO002 (2000) The Bran Flakes are one of the funniest bizarre bands I have ever encountered. Its obvious that Mr Fodder has spent a lot of time thrifting. This is the most fun sampled music on the planet earth. The samples are everywhere in the music! The Bran Flakes in a song about a cross dresser, show no shame and bravely sample "He's A Rebel" by one of the "Big Three Thou Shall Not Sample" entities, Phil Spector. (The other 2 are Disney and Mike Love/Not War - Beach Boys Inc.) The Bran Flakes have their own sound, just as Tipsy does. When you hear a Bran Flakes song you know its them. "I Don't Have A Friend" is really a great and way out strange cd. The Bran Flakes understand how to use sampling to create a really weird universe of music. The album is really a fun listen! This cd is perhaps their best but I also highly recommend "Hey Won't Somebody Come Out And Play", (1999) and "I Remember When I Break Down", (1998) on the Ovenguard label. Go to the site: http://www.thebranflakes.com for sound samples and ordering information. Don't miss out on the link to Scrumdillyishus Land!! This is a fantastic music video site! One of my favorites on the www. The songs on scrumdillyishus are mainly on their first 2 cds. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: film noir Date: 20 Mar 2001 14:50:54 -0500 At 09:57 PM 3/19/01 -0500, Brian wrote: > >How about the bizzarre mixed with film noir? I think of the film "Whity", >Fassbinder's gay melodramatic western... Of course just about any Fassbinder >film has elements of the bizzarre and at the same time film noir (no >shortage of desperation too for that matter!). Yeah see, I don't like Fassbinder either. I respect him. But he doesn't connect with me where I live. And I always thought he should have paid me to watch "The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant". I'm trying to think of the musical equivalent here. What is "weird" music? There's a weird quality to Brecht/Weill and stuff that's influenced by them. I love Tom Waits but his latter records have this "lost in the funhouse with a strange carnival barker" quality that I wouldn't miss if it were gone. I don't like Diamanda Galas. I tried the one she made with the Led Zeppelin guy which was supposed to be the "easiest" one but I didn't like it. I suppose someone will put Captain Beefheart on a list like this but I love Beefheart and I think he's one of the geniuses of the 20th Century and I don't think his stuff is weird. It's blues. Listen to Howlin Wolf then to Beefheart. It's just warped Wolf. I don't like The Residents and all their pals. I do like Johnny Dowd, if you know his stuff. I think some people here might like some of it. It's sort of classified as "alternative country". But to me it's more unclassifiable. Very Tom Waits-ish actually. I guess when I see OR hear "weird" stuff, I always feel like it's a tad self-conscious. That's a weak accusation since there's probably stuff I love which is also self-conscious. But weird stuff always makes me think they're going "Look at us, we're being weird". That doesn't apply to Fassbinder. I just think he was dancing to a drummer I couldn't dance to. It's true of all the famous Germans actually. I loved middle period Wenders and early Herzog. But he shouldn't have stopped working with Bruno S. or whatever that Wild Man Fischer clone was called. talk about mixed up posts.... AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Remixing vs Sampling Date: 20 Mar 2001 14:56:38 -0500 At 02:14 AM 3/20/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: > Remixing of music is deceptively presented as >"restored" which completely misrepresents what has been done to >it. "Remixed and remastered" is meant that way. And I guess if some unsuspecting buyers don't know that a record of "remixes" means something completely different, I could understand. But a misunderstanding is not a misrepresentation. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) More Sampling Date: 20 Mar 2001 15:28:06 -0500 At 02:14 AM 3/20/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: > >. I think editing should >serve filmmaking and musical performance. It shouldn't replace it. I gotta hand it to you. You're consistent. You're the "dogma-finder". You could probably make a living as some kind of consultant, coming up with rules for future dogmatic art movements. Are you really that conscious of the "process" as opposed to the "product"? When you're watching or listening to something, do you really think that much about how it was made or the philosophy that went into making it? I've enjoyed many many films made entirely from found footage. It's a genre unto itself. I could understand if you were to say you simply don't like that kind of film. But if you were being consistent, you wouldn't talk about whether you liked it or not. Your reaction would be "I didn't like the film because I don't think they should make films like that". Have you ever just NOT liked something for no particular reason? Or when you see/hear something you don't like, are you always trying to think of a rule that would disallow such things in the future? I'm not being facetious. If you don't like what we call "sampled" music or found-footage films or visual collage so be it. If you'd rather see scrap metal in its original form rather than in sculptures, fine, go down to the steel mill instead of the gallery. But why do you feel the need to come up with rules? Why do you feel the need to come up with lists of what "should" or shouldn't be? You shouldn't listen to this stuff if it offends you. I don't think you know what editing is. It's not just deciding where the thing goes. It's also deciding WHAT goes there. Found footage or musical samples do not arrive in the mail. They are chosen. Choosing an image you did not create is really not all that different from choosing the elements that go into an image in the first place. It may be a different talent but it's not a lesser one. I know you'll argue with that. Does that mean that when Moby for instance, plays a guitar chord for one of his "tunes", he's demonstrating his talent but when he chooses and manipulates a sample for the same tune, he's demonstrating something else? What if it turns out he's actually a lousy guitar player? Is it still a greater talent? I see you're involved in cartoons. Did someone once sample YOU without your permission? Is that the problem here? I know I said I was finished. But I wrote this one smiling the whole time. You should always smile when you post. AZ And by the way, # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: Re: (exotica) Holger Hiller Date: 20 Mar 2001 15:45:31 -0500 >I have to protect Mute and especially Daniel Miller, who's been running it >from the beginning, i will back you up on this too. Mute for me, started the electronic pop movement onslaught, for which is am grateful. Warm Leatherette/TVOD in 1979 mute 001 later came likes of Fad Gadget, DAF, Silicon Teens, John Foxx, Depeche Mode!!! to name a few. it later went on to sign more diverse artists but still remained a class act with the likes of Nick Cave, Diamanda Galas, Barry Adamson etc. my tiny indie electronic label used Mute as our Mentor in trying to sign good electronic based music regardless of genre, as long as we liked it. (limited by what tapes we were sent) my band even did a cover of TVOD on one of our 12''s as an hommage to mr. miller. he's the top in electropop! bump # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: Re: (exotica) More Sampling Date: 20 Mar 2001 16:28:57 -0500 If you sample things >you have great respect for, why are you changing them? i am not changing them...they still exist in their original form and i can listen to them anytime i want to. If the >other artist's intention has nothing to do with what you are >doing, how can you NOT be distorting the original artist's >intention. > how can i distort something i am not touching? >>some of us are not musicians and will never be, but technology and >>taste has evolved (or devolved, however you wanna stand on it) to a >>point we can make music using existing sounds we find exciting no >>matter where they come from. > >Bingo. It's music by non-musicians. The only art of it is in the >*editing*. That is exactly what I object to. I think editing should >serve filmmaking and musical performance. It shouldn't replace it. > well there is where your arguement falls apart. editing is and always will be what makes good art out of source materials. it should and does serve almost everything, music, literature, film etc. editing is not just what to extract, it is also deciding on what to put together. so it is sound composition disguised as music making. it takes more than editing as well, you still need a good ear to collect your sounds. anyway, non-musician made music is (unfortunately for you) here to stay. and you are right. it should not replace music by musicians but it does have its place and the right to exist among everything else. it seems you against this sort of thing simply because you do not like it. just because you do not like something does not mean it shouldn't exist. unless you are somekind of Art Fascist? (i am not calling you one unless you are!;) my last words on this, thank you for your views and arguements bump # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robbie Baldock" Subject: Re: (exotica) The Bran Flakes and Tipsy Date: 20 Mar 2001 22:13:42 -0000 Chuck wrote: > Bran Flakes: "I Don't Have A Friend" LOMO002 (2000) > The Bran Flakes are one of the funniest bizarre bands I have ever > encountered. Hear hear - highly recommended. Robbie Spaced Out - the Enoch Light website http://www.enochlight.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robbie Baldock" Subject: (exotica) Big Boss Man Date: 20 Mar 2001 22:13:42 -0000 May I draw the list's attention to the recently released debut CD by Big Boss Man (on the Blow-Up label): http://www.big-boss-man.com/ http://www.blowup.co.uk/ A jaw-droppingly funky mix of 60s r'n'b and latin soul. Massive drums and percussion backing droolsome Hammond C3, double bass and guitar with the odd sprinkling of analogue noodling. Hard to believe it's a brand new album! Robbie Spaced Out - the Enoch Light website http://www.enochlight.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) voodoo routine (was Sampling Poem) Date: 20 Mar 2001 22:00:10 -0500 "Hey, you kids! Stop playing around with that voodoo when you don't know what you're doing." "Awww, Mom -- it's FUN!" "Yeah, it's fun until someone gets their soul torn out by merciless hellbeasts, and then guess who has to clean up your mess, AS USUAL. Now turn the lights out and go to sleep." m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sem Sinatra Subject: (exotica) CD-player that can read MP3 files Date: 20 Mar 2001 23:09:27 +0900 > is there a stereo component CD-player that can read MP3 files? i've seen a Kenwood portable CD player over here (DPC-MP727) that can also play mp3/wma files from CD ... it was pricey though, even in Japan >i might as well replace them with something that reads mp3 >files like my DVD machine does. can dvd players play audio cds or have you burnt mp3s onto a dvd? sem sinatra # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) exotic 'trane Date: 21 Mar 2001 16:10:48 -0000 I'm not a massive Jazz fan, but following Jack Diamonds 'Exotica is Jazz' statement, I've been pondering this. Gives you some idea of my mental agility these days anyway, as that must have been a year ago. Now, I've got 2 Coltrane LP's, one of them is 'Kulu Se Mama', one side of it is fairly standard Coltrane trio stuff, The other side is just the one track 'Kulu Se Mama' recorded with a Swahili poet (Don't remember his name) and a raft of percussionists. Now I can't imagine how this would go down with the purist Jazzman. I don't know if it really is Exotica. Its really primal stuff, wild and raw and heavy with the drums. Not cool, and certainly not for the cocktail lounge. But then again its not authentic African music any more than Les Baxter is. Its tempting to see it as Coltrane as an American exploring the primitive from his own roots in Jazz (perhaps one of Alan's glorious failures), but with it being a mid 60's recording it must have had political overtones. I'm just wondering where it fits. It seems to be one of my own treasures, and no-one I've spoken too seems to know it, and I've heard nothing else like it. Look at that 2 digests a day for nearly a week, and today.... nothing. : ( El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoyGBivIM@aol.com Subject: (exotica) CD-player that can read MP3 files Date: 21 Mar 2001 12:06:06 EST The Philips Expanium is a walkman sized CD player that also plays CD-Rs full of mp3 files. I saw it at Circuit City for $149.99. If they don't have a deck and boom box version out I'm sure they will in the next month or so. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-player that can read MP3 files Date: 21 Mar 2001 18:18:43 +0100 (CET) citerar RoyGBivIM@aol.com: > > The Philips Expanium is a walkman sized CD player that also plays CD- Rs > full > of mp3 files. I saw it at Circuit City for $149.99. If they don't have a > deck and boom box version out I'm sure they will in the next month or so. How is the sound of those MP3s? I have only listened over the internet on bad equipment. Do you notice the compression? I once was at a commercial radiostation where they used compression to lower the size to 10 % of the original data size. I heard a difference in the "S" sounds. Like the esssssss was cut off. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mark jung" Subject: (exotica) "stereo-testing" LPs? Date: 21 Mar 2001 17:29:14 i've been stumbling across a BUNCH of these albums that were either made for or compiled to test out the "new" (ca. 1950-1960) stereo systems. some are quite entertaining, with their BIG left-right panning of the old classical chestnuts, and others (like jim fassett's "strange to your ears") are just plain odd and entertaining. anybody got any suggestions or remarks on spectacular examples you've heard? it seems like there's BILLIONS of them -- mark _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" Subject: RE: (exotica) "stereo-testing" LPs? Date: 21 Mar 2001 12:44:04 -0500 I have a few... Particularly I have 2 of the Admiral Stereophonic Sound witht he = Amazing Phantom Third Channel (read mono). They are entirely entertaining only = once or twice as the schmaltzy announcer interrupts the songs for the first = few tracks. Eventually you get to hear the entire song. About half the = records are uninterrupted music. These have a few good Lenny Dee cuts and some = odd vocal and orchestral songs from the Decca label regime of the era. =20 I also have a Phase 4 Stereophonic Demonstration record which is = lacking the announcer. It has extensive gatefold notes and hard pan arrangements = of songs in the Command label style, albeit without the flair of Enoch = Light's precision. I find it to be pretty decent to listen to in the = background during cocktail parties, depending on the crowd. =20 The demonstrations rcords generally have a decent recording and = arranging quality to the songs, so I would put them on my list of cheap buys = whenever I go scrounging for LPs at the flea market, but I wouldn't go out of my = way to be a high priced collector of them. Just my $.02 =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=20 Charlieman=20 "Everything that can be invented, has been invented." =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Charles H. Duell, 1899=A0 =A0=20 >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Shiman" Subject: Re: (exotica) exotic 'trane Date: 21 Mar 2001 17:52:25 The other side is just the one >track 'Kulu Se Mama' recorded with a Swahili poet (Don't remember his name) >and a raft of percussionists. > >Now I can't imagine how this would go down with the purist Jazzman. I >don't >know if it really is Exotica. Its really primal stuff, wild and raw and >heavy with the drums. Not cool, and certainly not for the cocktail lounge. >But then again its not authentic African music any more than Les Baxter is. > I agree: Kulu Se Mama is a great, odd record, and one of my favorite of John Coltrane's records. Several of his Impulse-era LP's also have, to my ear, an exotic quality: Africa/Brass, Ascension, and his collaborations with Rashied Ali and Alice Coltrane come to mind. Actually of his recordings it's only his "exotic" stuff that really interests me. My personal observation is that many if not most of the major jazz artists of the post-War era had at least one recording where they explored an Afro-Cuban/Latin/Brazilian, Eastern, African, or some ersatz exotic theme. Outer space, too. And though it was composed and recorded with generally different intentions, the avant-garde also negotiated this territory - especially Africa and the Middle East - in a way which was quite "exotic" but ultimately hardly less authentic than, say, any of Les Baxter's classic exotica. There's a wealth of really OUT recordings that I daresay most of list members might enjoy. Even the least successful jazz approximations of non-Western music are rarely dull. bang a gong, Dan Hear! "Dial-ated Pupils" -- every Saturday 4-6 pm CST exclusively at www.radio1austin.com. I will lead you safely through the perilous dark jungles of Austin's scratchiest record collection. Exotic jazz. Obscure Latin, Afro, and Eastern grooves. Easy listening arcana. Bring your bug spray. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: The Double Six of Paris Date: 21 Mar 2001 16:31:35 +0100 =46rench vocalese sextet Inspired by Lambert, Hendricks & Ross, that brings swinging vocal loungy jazz. This 20-track collection spans the years 1959-'62, with acrobatic vocal jazz arrangements of music that was originally performed by the bands of Count Basie, Woody Herman, Shelly Manne, John Coltrane, Gerry Mulligan, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Stan Kenton, and Quincy Jones. Double Six member Mimi Perrin listened to the trumpet and other solo's played by the original bands, and brilliantly transformed them into words! Veteran of the group Ward Swingle later started the Swingle Singers. As featured on the "Twist again au cin=E9" comp CD. looking for info about some exotica CD? check it out at the "eXotica Releases Overview": http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1936/disq/disq.htm a searchable and annotated hyperdiscography of more than 2500 "exotica" & related CD's and new LP's. With hundreds of ratings, comments, and reviews by dozens of people. The next best thing to a truly searchable Exotica List archive! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Milhuisen Subject: Re: (exotica) "stereo-testing" LPs? Date: 21 Mar 2001 19:26:49 +0100 I have a 7" test single with narration by Ken Nordine, he"s always good. I also have one from the soviet Melodia label, it's spoken in english with a heavy russian accent. A lot of them were made in different languages, I have the english, dutch and german versions of the same test record. It's the one where they throw an old, out of tune piano out of the window. (now that's one sound you can't really make by yourself, you just have to settle for sampling it ;-) One of the most commonly used sounds is the table tennis match, which popped up on drum & bass records recently. And then there's Decca's "A journey into phase 4 stereo sound" with the tediously oversampled "this is a journey into sound!". Or do you mean the ones with all the sine waves? John Cage used them to make music in the forties before the existence of tape recorders and synthesizers. mark jung wrote: > i've been stumbling across a BUNCH of these albums that were either made > for or compiled to test out the "new" (ca. 1950-1960) stereo systems. some > are quite entertaining, with their BIG left-right panning of the old > classical chestnuts, and others (like jim fassett's "strange to your ears") > are just plain odd and entertaining. > anybody got any suggestions or remarks on spectacular examples you've > heard? it seems like there's BILLIONS of them -- > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-player that can read MP3 files Date: 21 Mar 2001 20:10:57 +0100 there's a player that can read DVDs, CDs, MP3s a.o. for 150$ -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) CD-player that can read MP3 files Date: 21 Mar 2001 12:44:02 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moritz R > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:11 AM > there's a player that can read DVDs, CDs, MP3s a.o. for 150$ It's the Apex DVD player -- DVDs, CDs, MP3 CDS, VCDs. (Yes, that means all those pirated VCDs you can buy in Asia.) The Apex AD-600A is the infamous one (but very hard to find), because it's hackable and can bypass region codes. I have an AD-700-something, but it's not the greatest. Picture quality can be pretty blocky in dark parts of the screen, and it's very picky with regard to playing burned CDs, but I can play hours worth of mp3s on it. Check this out: http://www.nerd-out.com/apexold/ Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) exotic 'trane Date: 21 Mar 2001 16:34:11 -0500 At 04:10 PM 3/21/01 -0000, G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote: .> >Now, I've got 2 Coltrane LP's, one of them is 'Kulu Se Mama', one side of >it is fairly standard Coltrane trio stuff, The other side is just the one >track 'Kulu Se Mama' recorded with a Swahili poet (Don't remember his name) >and a raft of percussionists... > I don't know if it really is Exotica. Its really primal stuff, wild and raw and >heavy with the drums. . You know, no one's ever defined exotica for me. Is it a sound or is it a genre limited to a specific time and place? I'm sure no one here wants to limit it. But at the same time, I sometimes find it annoying when a label starts to take on too much meaning. When it goes from being a specific term to being a "blanket" term. For instance to me, punk rock is a certain sound associated with certain bands in the late seventies. But now punk has no meaning at all because it's been attributed to attitude as well as to sound. At this point everyone but Lionel Richie has been deemed "the original punk". I think it's fair to say that when Coltrane did his more "African" or "voodoo" sounding things, he was influenced by the same general things that influenced the makers of "classic" exotica. But I don't think it's fair to speculate that his goals were the same. Or the results for that matter. And there's also the question of whether exotica is about African sounds at all. I always thought of it as more "polynesian". In a sense I think of exotica as "lighter skinned" than African influenced music. Yes I know I'm limiting the genre. So be it. That said, Trane rules! AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Film noir recommendation Date: 21 Mar 2001 13:51:51 -0800 Chuck wrote: >> An exoticat on the list, Paul Dean, loaned me Mickey One. I don't >> know how I missed this classic film noir masterpiece. A young >> Warren Betty is running from the mob in a dark kafka/fellini >> shadowy world. I really recomend this film. >Seconded. The jazz soundtrack by Eddie Sauter and >Stan Getz is phenomenal. If you're interested you can get a great reissue of it was about twice as much material as on the original LP. The packaging is really swell too. And if you like this, a good companion album by Getz is "Focus". It's third stream jazz though so expect to be thrown by the classic music elements. Mr. Unlucky Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Will Straw Subject: Re: (exotica) Film noir recommendation Date: 21 Mar 2001 17:05:18 -0500 God, Mickey One -- I watched it for the first time a couple of weeks ago. A museum of new-wave-film bits, unbelievable strip architecture, burlesque in its last days, clothes, faces, streets. Pretentious as all hell, but I wanted to climb inside it. Will Will Straw, Acting Chair, Department of Art History and Communications Studies McGill University 853 Sherbrooke Street W. Montreal, QC H3A 2T6 Canada Phone: (514) 398 7667 Fax: (514) 398 7247 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) Coasters on Blow Up A Go-Go Date: 22 Mar 2001 00:52:07 +0000 > From: "Robbie Baldock" > May I draw the list's attention to the recently released debut CD by > Big Boss Man (on the Blow-Up label): > http://www.big-boss-man.com/ > http://www.blowup.co.uk/ > A jaw-droppingly funky mix of 60s r'n'b and latin soul. Massive > drums and percussion backing droolsome Hammond C3, double > bass and guitar with the odd sprinkling of analogue noodling. Hard > to believe it's a brand new album! Even if I still haven't listened to their whole "Humanize" disc, I agree Big Boss Man groove their way with a distinct vintage feel. I came to appreciate them via the fantastic "Blow Up A Go-Go! Dancefloor Classics From The Legendary Blow Up Club" comp., which features a terrific choice of groovy numbers: ain't no music for couch and consultation, my friends, but stuff guaranteed to make you hit the dancefloor and sweat! BTW, in that same "fake vintage" feel the comp features Soul Hooligan ("Sweet Pea"), Bobby Hughes Experience ("Sahara 72") and Karminsky Experience ("Exploration"). Among the gems of this comp, I was surprised to hear an unfamiliar, to me at least, version of the track "Love Potion n.9" by the very Coasters. The version on this comp is not the classic track; it's a funkified latin-soul rendition, with a stunning flute solo in the middle and "serve it up - drink it down" choruses all along the way. I believe it's a later mid/end 6Ts version, while the original should date 1960 or so. It is absolutely astounding, in my humble opinion; I played it loud 5 times in a row in my car cos I couldn't believe my ears. Anyone knows where this version come from? Also, anyone knows where I can find on line the lyrics to the song? I wouldn't lose a single syllable of it; it's even more lysergic than Alice in wonderland! Ciao Gionni # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Process and Product Date: 21 Mar 2001 16:12:35 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:28:06 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: Re: (exotica) More Sampling > >Are you really that conscious of the "process" as opposed to the "product"? >When you're watching or listening to something, do you really think that >much about how it was made or the philosophy that went into making it? Absolutely. I'm serious about music and film. I study it and think about it a lot. I'm not a plain vanilla consumer who accepts what is given to me. I try to understand it. There's absolutely no way you would ever be able to hear what Beethoven or John Coletrane have to say if you don't understand their philosophies and theories. Passive listening is OK for background music, but not for the good stuff. >Have you ever just NOT liked something for no particular reason? I have personal tastes. I don't care much for the sound of banjos, especially when they are closely miked. I can appreciate the art of banjo playing, and the importance of bluegrass and dixieland music to the whole American folk music scene, but I just don't care for it myself. That's personal taste though... different animal. >If you don't like what we call "sampled" music or found-footage films or >visual collage so be it. If you'd rather see scrap metal in its original >form rather than in sculptures, fine, go down to the steel mill instead of >the gallery. >But why do you feel the need to come up with rules? Why do >you feel the need to come up with lists of what "should" or shouldn't be? I don't hate sampling or found-footage. Editing is an important craft, and it can make or break the presentation of music and film. I just don't consider editing an art unto itself. It's possible with skillful craftsmanship to create an "illusion of art". Cleverly juggling around snippets of music or film may be amusing and impressive as craft, but ultimately, it's a pretty empty pursuit for an artist. A real artist creates, he doesn't repackage. A person who just samples is a DJ, not a musician. >I don't think you know what editing is. It's not just deciding where the >thing goes. It's also deciding WHAT goes there. Found footage or musical >samples do not arrive in the mail. They are chosen. Choosing an image you >did not create is really not all that different from choosing the elements >that go into an image in the first place. "Choosing" isn't an art. "Creating" is art. An artist may have influences, but he isn't just assembling references, he's using them as a springboard for his own performance. In an earlier post, you mentioned collage as an art... It isn't an art. Picasso and Braque didn't just do collages and call them art. They were applying collage TO their art. That is using a craft to support art. >I know you'll argue with that. Does that mean that when Moby for instance, >plays a guitar chord for one of his "tunes", he's demonstrating his talent >but when he chooses and manipulates a sample for the same tune, he's >demonstrating something else? What if it turns out he's actually a lousy >guitar player? Is it still a greater talent? A musician should be able to play a musical instrument. If he can't he's an engineer. Isn't that pretty self-evident? >I see you're involved in cartoons. Did someone once sample YOU without >your permission? Is that the problem here? No, but there are definite parallels. In animation, we have "Creative Producers" who can't draw, aren't filmmakers, and have no particular creative talent or skill. Since they can't draw, they can't express what they want in advance... all they can do is call for revisions after something is done. If you ask them, they are happy to talk about "their" creativity. But the truth is, they aren't creators. They're just filtering, chopping up and reassembling the creations of others. A musician who can't play an instrument and creates his own "art" by cannibalizing the music of others is the exact same thing as a "creative" producer. I choose a real artist over a person without any particular artistic talent or skill any day of the week. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) "Restoration" of music Date: 21 Mar 2001 16:12:34 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:56:38 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: Re: (exotica) Remixing vs Sampling > >At 02:14 AM 3/20/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: > >> Remixing of music is deceptively presented as >>"restored" which completely misrepresents what has been done to >>it. > >"Remixed and remastered" is meant that way. >And I guess if some unsuspecting buyers don't know that a record of >"remixes" means something completely different, I could understand. >But a misunderstanding is not a misrepresentation. I wasn't referring to remixes of current music. I was referring to re-releases of music from the multitrack magnetic tape era where they go back to the original multi-track masters and come up with a totally new mix that is nothing at all like the original one the artist approved for the original vinyl release. These are often described as "restored", which is a lie because it's "restored to the way it never was". "Restoring" something is to return it to its original condition. There are a few transfer engineers who do that for reissues of older music, but the vast majority seem to see the need to "sweeten" and "improve" the music in ways that are totally inappropriate. "Remastered" means that the source of the music has been replaced with a better sounding, earlier generation. It doesn't mean changing the music. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Intent and Distortion Date: 21 Mar 2001 16:12:37 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:28:57 -0500 >From: buMp >Subject: Re: (exotica) More Sampling > >i am not changing them...they still exist in their original >form and i can listen to them anytime i want to. Solipsism! >how can i distort something i am not touching? Martin Denny created songs, performed them and even approved of the mix and production of his records. He chose how his music would be presented. If you ask him if he wouldn't mind if you chopped up Quiet Village into bits, reassmebled them and called them your own work, I think he might be justified in calling your work a distortion of his own. Chopping up his music and repackaging it is the same as colorizing and re-editing Citizen Kane. It's a distortion of what the creator intended. What if someone took your sampled song and added lyrics to it talking about how much they love Jesus. Then they performed it on TV, calling it their own. Wouldn't that be a distortion of what you intended? Would you be mad? Someone mentioned that two records used the same sample. How can the one who used the sample first be mad? It's not their music to claim ownership of! I have heard of music where the source material is used as a foundation for creating a new song. Eventually the source track is dialed out of the mix... Kind of like a lost-wax process of music making. As long as the performers aren't reproducing the tune or arrangement of the original track, I don't see anything wrong with this. >editing is and always will be what makes good art out of >source materials. Editing doesn't make art out of source materials any more than a fancy gold frame makes the Mona Lisa art. >it should and does serve almost everything, music, literature, >film etc. editing is not just what to extract, it is also >deciding on what to put together. Right. But editing isn't content. Art is all about content. Editing merely presents content concisely, the same way that proper lighting makes a painting more beautiful in a museum. >it takes more than editing as well, you still need a good ear >to collect your sounds. Exactly, just like a DJ programs his radio show. But a DJ isn't creating the music he spins, he is just presenting it. >anyway, non-musician made music is (unfortunately for you) >here to stay. Ain't it the truth! I hear it on the radio all the time! >it seems you against this sort of thing simply because you do >not like it. just because you do not like something does not >mean it shouldn't exist. You are reading that into my words. I am not saying I don't like sampling. I'm not saying it shouldn't exist. I'm just saying the only musical value to it is in the source material. The rest is packaging. It might be an amusing or clever novelty, like that old flying saucer 45 made of bits of hits of the day, but it isn't art in a musical sense. >unless you are somekind of Art Fascist? I believe that art is the combination of personal expression and artistic skill. Is that fascist? See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Process and Product Date: 21 Mar 2001 19:52:36 -0500 Finally it all comes clear. Art is good. Craft is okay but it's not as good as art. Mr. bigshot only likes art. He doesn't waste his time with craft. Because craft isn't art. Previous to meeting mr.bigshot, my best definition of "art vs craft" was "If it's on the wall in gallery, it's art. If it's on the wall in a washroom and no one gets mad if you take a piss in it, it's craft". But I know mr.bigshot doesn't consider Duchamp to be art. This reminds me of an argument I had with a guy online. An American. Sorry for specifying that but it seems more typically American than any other country. I was arguing in favor of nationalized health care. And this guy kept saying "So you want the government to help you FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE?". And I realized that there was something about that phrase for this guy. As if it was inherently wrong to want something "from the cradle to the grave" Mr.bigshot and his litany of "That's not art, it's craft" is the same thing. He's made his classifications and now it's obvious for him. It's easy for him to decide what he should honor and what he shouldn't. It makes me wonder if he's religious. One of the reasons I feel I have such a hard time with religion is that I actually like ambiguity. Anyway, I picked out a few of mr. bigshot's greatest hits here. The first one is "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others". The rest follow: At 04:12 PM 3/21/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: .> >I don't hate sampling or found-footage. Editing is an important >craft, and it can make or break the presentation of music and >film. I just don't consider editing an art unto itself. >A real artist creates, he doesn't >repackage. A person who just samples is a DJ, not a musician. > >"Choosing" isn't an art. "Creating" is art. > In an earlier post, you mentioned collage as an art... It isn't an art. > >A musician should be able to play a musical instrument. If he >can't he's an engineer. Isn't that pretty self-evident? > I choose a real artist over a person without >any particular artistic talent or skill any day of the week. >Cooking isn't an art. That's obvious. A cook doesn't create the elements, he just combines them. Farmers are artists. No not farmers either because they start with seeds. God is the only artist since he makes something from nothing. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) "stereo-testing" LPs? Date: 21 Mar 2001 20:21:39 -0500 >From: "mark jung" >> i've been stumbling across a BUNCH of these albums that were >either made >for or compiled to test out the "new" (ca. 1950-1960) stereo systems. >anybody got any suggestions or remarks on spectacular examples you've >heard? it seems like there's BILLIONS of them -- Someone once sent me the "voice tracks" from an LP called "Admiral Stereophonic Demonstration Record featuring the amazing Phanton 3rd Channnel" (a mouth full). I found the LP a few months ago and like the music on it too. Lionel Newman, Henty Jerome, Rosemary Clooney, Lenny Dee, Warren Covigton, Bill Haley and the Comets a few classical things, Carol Burnette, Irving Fields, Jan Gargber and the Stratford Strings. I have a few of the "Man in Space with Sounds" LP's and except for the cool cover and Ken Nordine at the start I'm not impressed with it. And can't stand the fact that the tracks are not broken up on it. Domenic _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lenkei Subject: Re: (exotica) "stereo-testing" LPs? Date: 21 Mar 2001 20:48:21 -0500 (EST) I've only ever found one, but I like it a lot. It's on Liberty Records and features Martin Denny, Julie London, etc. It's as hokey as you would expect, but there's also some banter between the narrator and Ms, London whicjh is kinda cool. Also the usual, ping-pong game, along with rockets being launched (?) in stereo, a discussion of album cover art, and some banjo music in stereo (something the world needs more of, I do believe) - bruce # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hemmel@gmx.net Subject: (exotica) Marcos Valle Live Date: 22 Mar 2001 03:22:12 +0100 (MET) Yesterday the legendary Marcos Valle, who looked pretty good for his 57 years, was in town live onstage at the Atomic Cafe. He played guitar, a roland a90 and did sing with a backing band, a drummer, a bassist, a flute/sax player and sometimes a young female singer. They played ca. 70 % new material and 30 % from his absolutely incredibly own classic compositions like CRICKETS SING FOR ANAMARIA, FREIO AERODINAMICO, SAMBA DE VERAO (Summer Samba) or BATUCADA. They played it danceable and jazzy, but thankfully no fusion jazz, still enough song oriented. The only bad thing for me was the bassist with his 80s alike slap bass solos. But this could not ruin the great performance ! To my surprise it was not so crowded as I had suspected, like it was, when Senior Coconut or Mouse On Mars did played. The atmosphere was incredible and the part of the audience in front of the band where dancing. I never did hear such a long applause at a concert in the atomic cafe like on this night. Strange for me is the fact that it seems to be true what someone told me, that he isn’t known so much in brasil and that there where not much brasilians in the audience. But he wrote some of the most well known brasilian songs of all time ! So take the chance to see him live, or book him at your club/for your party Martin -- visit the ***Space Escapade*** Exotic Club Pop Entertainment with Guests and the Lemon Squeezer Sound System at the Atomic Cafe, Neuturmstr. 5, Munich, every Tuesday Night http://www.atomic.de/ GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hemmel@gmx.net Subject: Subject: Re: (exotica) Thai music - country style Date: 22 Mar 2001 03:25:58 +0100 (MET) That would be great ! edjunkita@wanadoo.nl wrote: >>>RE: Thai cha-cha: Can't you encode some mp3's a put them up somewhere so we can hear them?<<<< -- visit the ***Space Escapade*** Exotic Club Pop Entertainment with Guests and the Lemon Squeezer Sound System at the Atomic Cafe, Neuturmstr. 5, Munich, every Tuesday Night http://www.atomic.de/ GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bonita Kelso Subject: Re: (exotica) "stereo-testing" LPs? Date: 21 Mar 2001 20:42:32 -0800 (PST) > anybody got any suggestions or remarks on > spectacular examples you've > heard? it seems like there's BILLIONS of them -- Oh, I love stereo sampler albums--they're great for getting a feel for the style of a particular album. "Stereo Dynamics to Scare Hell Out of Your Neighbors" is a good one, just for the scary skeleton-torture chamber cover and tagline "Stereo Dynamics! To test your stereo equipment or scare hell out of your neighbors." This album has cuts from the great "TV Jazz Themes" and "Sounds of Exotic Island" albums. It also has a little tune from the "Conquerors of the Ages" album titled "Adolf Hitler," so I guess you truly _could_ scare hell out of your neighbors with this thing. "The Cool Scene: Twelve New Ways to Fly" is another great sampler album. I've seen dealers make a big deal about the beatnik cover (I once saw someone selling just the sleeve for twenty dollars!), but it's a fantastic selection of late 50s releases on the Warner Brothers label, including "77 Sunset Strip," "Jun'gala," "The Savage and the Sensuous," and tons of other great stuff. Best of all, if memory serves me correctly there are no nostalgic roaring 20s cuts on this album. Bel-Canto's "Stereo Demonstration Record" has a neat tour of Los Angeles (with tons of speaker to speaker sound effects, naturally) AND it's on beautiful multi-colored vinyl. It's gotta be the most gorgeous record I own. There's a fantastic stereo sampler on the Liberty label with a foil cover (I can't find it right now, so I have this horrible sinking feeling that I lost it when I moved). Like "The Cool Scene," it is chock full of prime cuts (John Buzon, the Invitations, Jack Constanzo, Martin Denny, Don Swan, and many more). It has the typical "wow, this is stereo!" sound effects as well as vocal cameos by Julie London and the Chipmunks (Julie talks with the album's narrator about her latest album and the Chipmunks trash the studio). There are lots of stereo promo albums that came as a free bonus with record players--the Zenith ones are heavy on Project Three label tracks, which is nice. I'll buy anything with a cut from "Spaced Out" on it (until I find the real thing)! Back when I was young and foolish and wanted to own every record on Earth I used to buy those stereo test albums that solely consist of tones and bleeps, but a little bit of that goes a long way. >_< I hope someone starts a thread on sound effects records next--I love having an excuse to paw through the records I haven't unpacked yet. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Holger Hiller Date: 21 Mar 2001 22:49:13 -0500 Bump and Moritz wrote: > >I have to protect Mute and especially Daniel Miller, who's been running it > >from the beginning, > i will back you up on this too. Mute for me, started the electronic pop > movement onslaught, for which is am grateful.Warm Leatherette/TVOD in > 1979 mute 001 later came likes of Fad Gadget, DAF, Silicon Teens, John > Foxx, Depeche Mode!!! to name a few. I didn't mean to come off sounding too harsh. I have all of those recordings mentioned above and then some (can't forget Cabaret Voltaire, one of the early Industrial pioneers). As I said, I sometimes think this label singlehandedly started the new wave/Industrial sound. Maybe it was the end of the new wave and the disappearance of many of the indie labels and Mute somehow still hanging on but trying to find its niche... I chalk a lot of my problems up to high costs and poor distribution which seemed to only improve after they began manufacturing elsewhere than the UK exclusively. The high prices weren't just here but I remember finding similar problems shopping in the US. But I was thankful to get the stuff and I've been following Holger Hiller throughout the years. I wish Mute would reissue more of the earlier Boyd Rice LPs like the Black album which I never managed to get. I assume he's behind "The Grey Area of Mute". > it later went on to sign more diverse artists but still remained a class > act with the likes of Nick Cave, Diamanda Galas, Barry Adamson etc. > my tiny indie electronic label used Mute as our Mentor in trying to sign > good electronic based music For me part of the problem remained not knowing where the label fit after the new wave ended. I've tried to listen to Diamanda Galas but believe me this is not a sound for everyone, even me... and I seem to remember Mute making a strong move in the industrial dance direction in the later years. But never would I question Daniel Miller's integrity as a class act. TVOD and Warm Leatherette are surely the first things tha come to mind from the new wave/industrial days, but my favourite was this incredible song he did together with Boyd Rice on the LAFMS sampler "Darker Scratcher" called "Cleanliness and Order". Imagine a piece intended to play to children while they sleep as hypno-therapy, to get them to be clean and orderly. Musically its Daniel Miller but conceptually its al1 Boyd Rice. A masterpiece of the bizarre. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: film noir Date: 21 Mar 2001 23:07:07 -0500 Alan wrote: > Yeah see, I don't like Fassbinder either. I respect him. But he doesn't > connect with me where I live. And I always thought he should have paid > me to watch "The Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant". You're taslking to someone that 's seen at least half his output, and we're talking an output of almost 100 films. That includes multiple sittings of the epic Berlin Alexanderplatz... with that totally bizarre epilogue that's reminiscent of classic Jodorowsky! > What is "weird" music? > I guess when I see OR hear "weird" stuff, I always feel like it's a tad > self-conscious. That's a weak accusation since there's probably stuff I love > which is also self-conscious. But weird stuff always makes me think they're > going "Look at us, we're being weird". I remember having this same discussion a while back where it was concluded that the people who intentionally try to be weird/funny are never as successful as those that were trying to be serious but somehow just didin't get it, like say Lucia Pamela. I always wondered how Mrs Miller fit in? But I think there's a danger generalizing as it implies you can't ever intentionally be weird/funny unless you don't try. The Residents were funny at first, less so these days. And language can add to the fun.. If you ever heard Johhny Cash singing I walk the Line in German it souds VERY weird at least to me. Still there comes a point, as you say, where it becomes tired. I found Frank Zappa reached that point long ago as did Dr. Demento. Interesting topic... > That doesn't apply to Fassbinder. I just think he was dancing to a drummer > I couldn't dance to. It's true of all the famous Germans actually. I loved > middle period Wenders and early Herzog. But he shouldn't have stopped > working with Bruno S. or whatever that Wild Man Fischer clone was > called. You mean Klaus Kinski probably. I don't think Bruno Ganz qualifies as a Wild Man Fischer clone... This whole New German film movement lost its drive with many of its star directors making questionable hollywood product. Fassbinder died before this and his last film, Querelle, could hardly be called mainstream... yet in spite of it, when these people made the films they wanted, there was no shortage of brilliance, best of those being Wenders' -Wings of Desire which is relatively recent in comparison. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: (exotica) That record store... Date: 21 Mar 2001 23:45:44 -0500 I followed Moritz's request through today and visited that store I talked about. I have to report it as I suspect there are places like it in many other cities. I hadn't been in it for several years and its never been an inviting place, but the best stores I've been in have never been known for ambiance, they have that ceretain "record store" charm... Lots of character here to be sure... I did return to talk about it but honestly, it's worthy of a documentary or horror film depending on how you see it! It's a dark, cold, and dingy space. The owner was having a steady conversation with himself behind the counter. In spite of it being almost 3 times the size of the largest store in town, the space resembled the basement of some of the record collectors in Alan's film, as in there is no room to walk without tripping. Everything is piled up, records are in 6 foot high piles, under magazines, against the wall, slid under shelves, on the floor, everyhere! I figure to go through every record in the store would take at least 5 days or more, assuming you could find them. All that appears to sell are posters or Porn DVD's. Even the porn magazines and videos are a mess. I walked around not knowing where or how to start and trying to figure out how the place works, or at least once worked, under the layers. I gave up and decided to talk to the owner. I say: "So how does it work with the vinyl" He says: "What do you mean?" I say: "Well, how's it priced?" He says Depends what you want, prices are mostly marked" I say (politely): "How do you find anything?" He says: "Well we have to organize the place in May, we're planning to move across the street to bigger premises" I think: "Never happening, my friend" He says: "So what are you looking for?" I say: "I don't know, say 60's soundtracks" He says: "Well we have 3,000 soundtracks, I just counted them last week" I think: "This guy is out of his mind, he hasn't looked through any of this 20 years." He says: "Lots of people come here from all over the world. Had a guy from France yesterday that spent the day here.You have to be prepared to spend time looking" I think: "That may explain the mess...." I say (politely): "I think I'll have to come back when I have more time" I figure there may be some good records there, in fact I passed by a copy of the Shaft soundtrack, beat up though, in one of the many piles. But most of these records have price tags of $9.99 - $29.99 on them and that includes the Rod Stewart LPs! I figure you spend the day(s) going through the store and he takes the records and decides how much he charges, with the price contingent on your level of interest. And that's assuming the little green men aren't in that day to distract him... I think the pricing strategy is the reason there is so much left but I'm not convinced that its that much of a goldmine. I'll leave this one for your return visit Moritz... It's too much even for me to take on! Alan, I think a sequel too you film is in order: Record Store owners... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Ledebur Subject: (exotica) Las Vegas Alert/Finds Date: 22 Mar 2001 01:39:44 -0500 Hi everybody -- I'm a long-time lister, infrequent poster. I just wanted to pass along a heads up. I just got back from my vacation in Vegas (I like that place better every time I visit). There's a record store on S. Maryland right by the UNLV campus called Balcony Lights and in the half hour I was there browsing their used record section, I saw one record priced at $2.99, all the rest were $1.99 or $.99. And as if that wasn't enough, they were having a 50% off sale. So I got a really nice stack of records at thrift store prices, most in way better condition than one could hope for from a thrift. I like to think of it as Thrift Store Plus. I tell you people about this on only one condition -- DON'T LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU FIND THERE!! I skipped over a lot of bins because of time restraints and I'd rather *not* know what I missed. Please keep in mind that I haven't had time for anything other than a cusory listen to these records. I reserve the right to radically re-think my opinions! Kai Winding - Soul Surfin' (Verve) I laughed because this was filed in the Surf section, knowing Kai Winding plays trombone, but it turns out to be more appropriate than I thought. It's sort of Big Band Surf. Kenny Burrell is the featured guitarist (though I swear I heard Vinnie Bell in there, too) and it was arranged by Claus Ogerman. The only surf standard on here is Pipeline. (Unless you consider Sukiyaki a surf standard. No, I didn't think you did.) Some of the originals are really great, like Spinner (mellow with nice slide guitar) and Surf Bird (no connection to Surfin' Bird). And I think I heard a Clavioline on at least one of the tracks. There were two copies of this one so if you hurry, you can probably score the other. Eydie Gorme - Blame It on the Bossa Nova (Columbia) Really nice mellow bossas with big white bread pop arrangements. She's not the *best* singer, but manages to pull it off well. Musicians include Dick Hyman, Clark Terry, Johnny Pacheco, Mundell Lowe, and Al Caiola. Franck Porcel - James Bond's Greatest Hits (Paramount) Early '70s record (Roger Moore on the cover) mixes themes (You Only Live Twice, Goldfinger) with other parts of the scores (Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, 007). A bit too '70s-orchestral for my tastes, but worth keeping, for now. Bud Shank - Magical Mystery (World Pacific) One side is all versions of songs from Magical Mystery Tour, the other includes covers of the Association, as well as Bacharach/David. Really great. You know, one of my "gateway drugs" into the kind of music we discuss on this list (well, *you* discuss, I just read along at home) was buying EZ covers of Beatles songs. I never thought I'd get a version of "Flying" or "Blue Jay Way," let alone on the same record! Vinnie Bell - Good Morning Starshine (Decca) Maybe not as great as one would hope, and not in pristine condition, but I was more than happy to pick this one up for a buck. v/a - !Wild! Stereo Drums (Capitol) This comp features a wide variety of tracks, including two from Les Baxter. Some tracks highlight the drums, while some are nothing but. The other artists are Pepe Dominguin, The Drum Brigade, Dick Harrell, and Billy May. Earl Grant - Beyond the Reef (Decca) I'm a big fan of his organ work, and this LP includes a fun version of Yellow Bird. Chilo Moran - Acapulco Brass y sus Trompetas Electronicas (Musart) The expected Tijuana-be sound, includes Mirando a las Muchachas (Music to Watch Girls By). Who coined that term, Tijuana-be? I know it was someone on this list; please refresh my memory. Henry Jerome - Brazen Brass Goes Latin! (Decca) Pretty much what one would expect. Mostly standards of the genre (Cherry Pink..., Brazil, Peanut Vendor, Mambo No.5). Good, not essential. Dick Schory - Stereo Action Goes Broadway (RCA Victor) Maybe not the best of the Stereo Action series, but this turned out to be far better than I had expected. That's something this broad genre of music (exotica-list fare) has done for me -- I never used to like show tunes at all, but thanks to all the great versions I've actually grown to appreciate, and in some cases *love* the songs! I'm still not into the actual musicals, however. Bay Big Band - Big Sounds (Omega) This one I bought for the cover. I have Francis Bay's Viva! album, and enjoy it immensely, but pegged this one as more "jazz" than I am interested in. The album was recorded at the Brussels World's Fair so the cover is a great pic of a man from behind with arms spread wide (in surprise? awe? delight?) in front of the Atomium. It almost looks like he could be conducting, except no band is visible and his hands are empty. And the most "exotic" of the bunch: Modesto Duran - Fabulous Rhythms of Modesto (Raynote) The sleeve was falling apart (despite all the masking tape on it) and the vinyl had seen far better days, but for 50 cents the cover was worth it. Then upon closer inspection, I discovered (by cleverly reading the liner notes) that Sr. Duran had played with a number of heavy-hitters including Perez Prado, Earth Kitt, and none other than Juan Garcia Exquivel himself. Also, Mongo Santamaria and Willie Bobo both play "congo" on the album. Then it turned out that the record itself sounded awful good. very much Afro-Cuban with lots of percussion. I'll try to get scans of the last two albums up in the next day or so. Check www.hifibliss.com/mfbl/scans/ OK, this is way more than I've written to the list in a really long time, so it's back to lurking for me. Peter Ledebur --- Music for Better Living Wed. 6-7pm -- WZBC 90.3fm Newton/Boston www.hifibliss.com/mfbl/ zbconline.com <--- live streaming audio, even # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Milhuisen Subject: Re: (exotica) Intent and Distortion Date: 22 Mar 2001 10:54:34 +0100 bigshot wrote: > Martin Denny created songs, performed them and even approved of the > mix and production of his records. He chose how his music would be > presented. Maybe, but did those birds approve of him stealing their birdcalls? ;-) What about using classical music in films and cartoons? I bet Chaikovsky never intended or approved his music to be used on the Ren & Stimpy show. Does that make the cartoon lose it's value? > What if someone took your sampled song and added lyrics to it > talking about how much they love Jesus. Then they performed it > on TV, calling it their own. I'm eagerly awaiting the occasion! > Someone mentioned that two > records used the same sample. How can the one who used the sample > first be mad? It's not their music to claim ownership of! Nothing to do with ownership, just being the first to do something. The original artist was the first to create the original sound. The first sampler was the first to take the sound and find a new context for it. (a totally different act than what original artist did) The second sampler was just copying the first sampler, adding nothing new. Unless he plays the sample backwards, pitches it down 3 octaves, plays it through some distortion and still makes something groovy out of it: Respect! > >it should and does serve almost everything, music, literature, > >film etc. editing is not just what to extract, it is also > >deciding on what to put together. > > Right. But editing isn't content. You keep failing to see that it's not just the seperate elements that make an artwork. Their interrelationship gives the artwork it's meaning. The sum = much more than the individual parts If you rearrange the elements (=editing), the artwork becomes something different, something new and therefore you have performed a creative act. And art is not just a static collection of separate pieces, but a dialogue with action and reaction. That's what keeps it alive. But in able to react to something you have to refer to it somehow, by using some of it's elements. Just like your Spumco cartoons have references to lets say Warner Brothers cartoons. And how the reference is actually made is of lesser importance, it's just a handle. Progress can only be made by maklng use of other peoples labor. Imagine if every generation had to reinvent the wheel (or huge eyeballs with lots of veins on them) all over again! > Art is all about content. > Editing merely presents content concisely, the same way that > proper lighting makes a painting more beautiful in a > museum. I'm sitting on my fingers trying not to react! Are you just provoking us, Steve? > >it takes more than editing as well, you still need a good ear > >to collect your sounds. > > Exactly, just like a DJ programs his radio show. But a DJ > isn't creating the music he spins, he is just presenting it. (Ahum, obviously you never listened to my radioshow...) > >unless you are somekind of Art Fascist? > > I believe that art is the combination of personal expression > and artistic skill. Is that fascist? No, just being moralistic. And morals and esthetic rules are simply irrelevant in art (like it or not...) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Exotica in comic books EP Jacobs Date: 22 Mar 2001 11:32:15 +0100 (CET) Some of my favorite comics were made by a belgian called Edgar P Jacobs, he worked for Herge doing backgrounds in Tintin, until he created his own characters, Blake and Mortimer. He made about ten albums, most of them would fit in the science fiction genre. I did not like the adventures that much when I was a child, since there are very little humour in them, and I was a fan of Tintin. But over the years my taste have changed and I now find them extremely attractive, wonderful images with a lot fifties atmosphere, and a "serious" approach, which I like. Exotica comes to mind actually since most albums feature something unknown BUT! It is a boys room world from that era, where women is around to serve food, and romance and sex doesnt exist. It would have been great if the stories also had involved femme fatales, but you cant get everything. Mortimer is a scientist, and Blake something of a man working for the secret service. Their base is London. In most of the albums they fight Olrik, an Errol Flynn lookalike who always are up to things really bad. Some days ago I ordered 4 albums from Denmark that is not available in Sweden, two of them made after Jacobs death, by other artists, and it is clear that the feeling of Blake and Mortimer is still there. The new albums (made in the 90s) take place in cold war england in the fifties. The wild imagination of Jacobs is missing though. Still I was very pleased with these "new" Blake and Mortimer and are hoping for more albums of that caliber in the future. In this album Mortimer is trapped in a timemachine, and fights dinosaurs (in the past) and fashists (In the future). An amazing view of our future with doomsday weapons and killer robots. It is available in english I think: http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/287097020X.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg "La Marque Jaune" This is by far the greatest of the albums, a mad scientist uses Olrik the evil nemesis as a guinea pig, to perform acts of violence. It is available in english, I think: http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/2870970102.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Here's the tiki infected cover of "Rayon U" I have just ordered this is french, since it is not available in english, swedish or danish: http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/2870970234.08.LZZZZZZZ.jpg More on Balke and Mortimer, in french and portuguese: http://blake.citeweb.net/ -e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g---i-s- http://www.bellybongo.com ----------T-I-K-I---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Milhuisen Subject: Re: (exotica) Process and Product Date: 22 Mar 2001 11:42:21 +0100 bigshot wrote: > I just don't consider editing an art unto itself. It's > possible with skillful craftsmanship to create an "illusion of > art". art IS illusion...the suspension of disbelief. > Cleverly juggling around snippets of music or film may be > amusing and impressive as craft, but ultimately, it's a pretty > empty pursuit for an artist. A real artist creates, he doesn't > repackage. But EVERYTHING on this earth is in a dynamic process of constant repackaging! A real artist's paint comes from chemicals which the paint factory has repackaged for him. He in his turn takes the paint from his tube and repackages it on canvas...A person who views the painting repackages the blobs of paint on the canvas into an a sequence of neural activity, ad infinitum. There's no difference between paint and soundsnippets, > "Choosing" isn't an art. "Creating" is art. An artist may have > influences, but he isn't just assembling references, he's using > them as a springboard for his own performance. In an earlier > post, you mentioned collage as an art... It isn't an art. Picasso > and Braque didn't just do collages and call them art. They were > applying collage TO their art. That is using a craft to support > art. A musician may use samples, but he isn't just assembling other peoples sound, he is using samples as a springboard for his own performance. Musicians are applying sampling TO their music. That is using a craft to support music. I think this discussion has gotten to the point where it's nothing more than pure semantics. > A musician should be able to play a musical instrument. If he > can't he's an engineer. Isn't that pretty self-evident? Nope. In our post modern society all such boundaries are pretty much becoming history. > A musician who can't play an instrument and creates his own "art" > by cannibalizing the music of others is the exact same thing as a > "creative" producer. Hey, cannibals have their own important role in the foodchain like every other organism! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Mute (was: Holger Hiller) Date: 22 Mar 2001 12:20:17 +0100 Brian schrieb: > > For me part of the problem remained not knowing where the label fit after > the new wave ended. that's true. they have gone a bit too far into this noisy neo teutonic concept art scene for my taste. Where's the silly pop fun of Silicon Teens today? Or gay disco like the Communards? It has all become so dead serious. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: film noir Date: 22 Mar 2001 12:20:14 +0100 Brian schrieb: > If you ever > heard Johhny Cash singing I walk the Line in German it souds VERY weird at > least to me. :-) to me it sounds just plain cute, really. > But he shouldn't have stopped > working with Bruno S. or whatever that Wild Man Fischer clone was called. > You mean Klaus Kinski probably. I don't think Bruno Ganz qualifies as a > Wild Man Fischer clone... It's strange: As different as these subjects we currently discuss sound: Mute, art, German film... I think they all have the same problems today:over-conceptionalistion on cost of humor. Too much "serious" "theater", too little pop. Too "tough", not easy enough. Actually, the more I think about it, the concept of Neo-Easy Listening is more revolutionary than I ever thought. But try to explain that to art people or filmmakers of the kind of Herzog etc. ... no way they understand! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Marcos Valle Live Date: 22 Mar 2001 12:20:20 +0100 Hemmel@gmx.net schrieb: > Yesterday the legendary Marcos Valle, who looked pretty good for his 57 > years, was in town live onstage at the Atomic Cafe. ... So > take the chance to see him live, or book him at your club/for your party > Sh....! I knew it was a mistake to go to that birthday party yesterday instead of going to Valle. Damn damn damn! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) art vs. craft??? Date: 22 Mar 2001 12:20:24 +0100 alan zweig schrieb: > > Mr. bigshot only likes art. He doesn't waste his time with craft. > Because craft isn't art. No I don't think that's what he meant. Rather the opposite: art is only good if it is based on "skills" i.e. craft. I *think* that's what he meant. So what is art? I guess since 100 years art doesn't want to be defined any more. And before, it didn't have to be defined, because it was clear what it was: it was craft. I think I even understand why Steve feels uncomfortable with today's art. because it feels free to define itself and by that opens doors for every charlatan on the scene to step in. maybe the charlatans have even taken over the scene. they control the white cubes, they control the art press. I know how it is. Still I don't see a point in attacking the freedom of art and making rules. making rules in art can only lead to contradictions. Freedom is the duty of art today. maybe that's because what once was done by handicraft is now done by technology. When photography was invented, painting obviously lost a lot of its businesses. At that point painting became free. A painter didn't have to dublicate reality, s/he could paint phantasies, abstract or whatever. It was good. It was a progress for the human mind. But this is a long time ago. All avantgarde concepts are dead now. They have no answers for the future. but the avantgardists control the art scene. they don't understand exotica. they don't understand tiki. that can make one mad. but as OK as it is to fight against these people, it would be a mistake to throw out the baby with the bathwater and go back to the thinking of the times before the avantgarde. We can only go further and I didn't read much about that in Steve's theories. But I understand what makes him mad. I guess in 75% of the cases it's the same things that make me mad. But I blame other reasons for it. For instance capitalism. I think that capitalist freedom has made the word freedom problematic. I think it's there, where one has to dig, if s/he wants to find out what's wrong with art today. And now I'm finally arriving on far-off-topic ground. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) art vs. craft??? Date: 22 Mar 2001 13:12:20 +0100 (CET) Its so easy but I cant define it. Humour is absolutely necessary, but also the dark. It must have something hidden in it, a mystery. The thing that the leading "experts" call art leaves me cold. I find most of my kind of art in popular media. And it doesnt have to be well crafted either. An originality. Or an obsession. Sexuality has been my worry in life, it did not come natural for me like for most either, it made me evil. But I like sexual art, and even more sensual art. I love Art Brut, but not graffiti. I should love graffiti but it is so full of clichees. Not original enough. (Mostly anyway, there is good stuff in everything). I like comics more than Lichtenstein or Warhol. The old Dick Tracy adventures by Chester Gould! Krazy Kat! Blake and Mortimer! There are paintings by Shag, Moritz and Ryden that has everything I like. Balthus and Philip Guston and Dubuffet is sometimes great. Arthur Lyman is also Magnus kind of art, allthogh he is not that original. It is the dark in Lyman I think. Eraserhead is amazing, but I would rather live in a world where such expression were not necessary. I like exploitation movies, my favorite film of all time is called "the girl and the geek". Maybe it is because I find girls sophisticated, and myself a brute. "Europa" by Lars von Trier is another film that speaks to me. "Wings of Desire" is the most beautiful film ever. Carl Barks was a genius. Raymond Roussel and Samuel Beckett is brilliant. So is Dali and Meyron. Bosch and Caravaggio. I love the thought of an "Hawaiian Eye" A dream would be to be a dolphin in a world with no humans. Or an eagle. I have stopped to listen on people telling me what is good and what is bad. My truth lies deep within and cant be fooled. There are so much more that I consider my kind of art, the stuff I mentioned has been very different on important occasions though. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: Re: (exotica) Intent and Dis(re)tortion Date: 22 Mar 2001 07:45:31 -0500 i realize this thread is boring the hell out of people so no more retorts from me. Chopping up his music and repackaging it is the same as >colorizing and re-editing Citizen Kane. It's a distortion of what >the creator intended. > this is hardly the same thing. when using samples i am not trying to re-create the piece i took them from, i am creating my own work. i do not understand why you cannot separate the two. in a music piece, a photo collage, or a experimental film or video i may use many bits of other photos, films, videos or music, but i have CREATED a work that would be ART according to your definition (ie. personal expression and artistic skill). to refuse to accept this as art is a sort of facsism or snobbery. meaning you only think art should be made by people who have specific talents you believe are represent your personal view of what ART is. >What if someone took your sampled song and added lyrics to it >talking about how much they love Jesus. Then they performed it >on TV, calling it their own. Wouldn't that be a distortion of >what you intended? Would you be mad? Someone mentioned that two >records used the same sample. How can the one who used the sample >first be mad? It's not their music to claim ownership of! > first of all let me say when i sample music, i am not taking the "essence" of the song...ie. Vanilla Ice, Hammer etc. (ie. when you hear it you immediately recognize and relate to the original piece) (speaking of which, and not that these are examples of it, but early on, RAP Music was not considered MUSIC by many people. this is obviously wrong too.) my samples usually cannot be understood as the song i originally took them from. even so, if someone took my whole original song and added christian lyrics to it, i would probably laugh first, then say they sure have balls to use our entire song as a basis of their track (not much talent in that for sure). i would not be mad because i believe everything out there is source material for whatever you want to do. however if i was to take a whole song from someone or take what i believe is the essence of a song i would ask for permission to use it and credit it as such. i would also be a little flattered that someone thought highly enough of my music to use it. my original intent is not damaged because my piece still exists as it is. never to be tainted by a half assed attempt to make another song out of it. i would probably buy the new song as well, just for the laugh. >>editing is and always will be what makes good art out of >>source materials. > >Editing doesn't make art out of source materials any more than >a fancy gold frame makes the Mona Lisa art. > editing is far from just throwing a frame around something. not to understand this is our major problem here. source materials can no way stand on there own without an editor to turn them into a single work of "Art" in my opinion, at least when it comes to film/video and yes collage! and to say collage is not an art is ridiculous. you mean people who make them have no means of personal expression or skill? damn that is harsh. you cannot relate everything to painting or music. that is the same as people saying, they should not have made the movie Naked Lunch, because the book was so much better? comparing genres is silly, and filmmakers do the same to video artists. you are comparing apples and oranges. like rap music, back in the early days of photography, it was looked at by many and still a few now as the work of no-talent painters. they just felt threatened by it. like it was gonna put them out of business. is this a concern of yours? >Right. But editing isn't content. Art is all about content. >Editing merely presents content concisely, the same way that >proper lighting makes a painting more beautiful in a >museum. > content is only a part of it. what about the concept and construction? we are obviously gonna have to agree to disagree on this subject. cheers bump # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ashleywarren1@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Intent and Distortion Date: 22 Mar 2001 08:46:10 EST In a message dated 3/22/01 4:55:26 AM EST, edjunkita@wanadoo.nl writes: << > What if someone took your sampled song and added lyrics to it > talking about how much they love Jesus. Then they performed it > on TV, calling it their own. I'm eagerly awaiting the occasion! >> This has almost happened! A hymn used in the Catholic church called "Living In All Men" is a lyrical re-write of Bob Dylan's "Blowin' In The Wind"! Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) art vs. craft??? Date: 22 Mar 2001 15:08:32 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > Its so easy but I cant define it. Humour is absolutely necessary, but > also the dark. It must have something hidden in it, a mystery. Very well... 100% d'accord! But these things can be embedded in very different scripts. Intellectual constructions, cool strategies etc. You may not even be able to read most of them. I think art should also be kind of explicit, easy to read. Some people would call this "entertaining"; yes, I think art should entertain. From the cradle to the grave ;-) > Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: (exotica) Ebb and Andy? Date: 22 Mar 2001 06:10:59 -0800 (PST) Is anyone here familiar with a television show from the early 60s called "The Ebb and Andy Show" - enough to give me the premise, etc.? I ask because I found a single by "The Ebb Tides" which is sort of like an Ed "Kookie" Byrnes cash-in thing. The songs are Beetle Boy and Dry Cereal drawled in a staged jovial hillbilly accent to a rockabilly/garage beat. Beetle Boy is about quitting a country band to grow his hair long ("bangs, even")and learning to play like The Beatles. ===== "What I need is a shot of Drambuie and some clean sheets." - Jack Nance __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Lest we forget!.......(Lenny Dee) Date: 22 Mar 2001 06:13:49 -0800 (PST) There's also a cheese progression there: mild to extra-sharp. Mr Dee cut my just about favorite versions of Caravan and Siboney. --- Nathan Miner wrote: > Anyway, good 'ol Lenny Dee. I had no idea he cut SO > MANY records!!! Came across a huge selection of his > at a flea market recently and as I flipped, I got > this weird "age progession" visual as the albums > became more recent................ ===== "What I need is a shot of Drambuie and some clean sheets." - Jack Nance __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hagar@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Intent and Distortion Date: 22 Mar 2001 10:12:41 -0500 >This has almost happened! A hymn used in the Catholic church called >"Living In All Men" is a lyrical re-write of Bob Dylan's "Blowin' In >The Wind"! Guillame Dufay, wrote the "Messe L'Homme Arme", which was a Mass based on a melody of a popular song of his day. This was all the way back in the 15th century, which is a length of time that almost Dufays description. Sorry, Brian Phillips # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hagar@mindspring.com Subject: (exotica) Le Boo Boo Date: 22 Mar 2001 10:24:16 -0500 That should have been the Missa L'Homme Arme, not Messe. Turning a near Missa into another fine Messe, Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hagar@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Coasters on Blow Up A Go-Go Date: 22 Mar 2001 11:38:37 -0500 It's on London HLZ 10437 from 1972. It's a great version! The lyrics are here http://www.lyrics.ch/search/song.asp?song_id=114378&label_id=19027&band_id=6986 and the Clovers' version, which is the original (Stereo or Mono, I can't recall) has this last line: "I had so much fun, that I'm going back again, I wonder what she put in Love Potion Number Ten" Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Vic Mizzy release on CD Date: 22 Mar 2001 19:54:08 +0100 (CET) VIC MIZZY - SUITES & THEMES At long last, Percepto Records proudly presents the deluxe limited release of this eagerly anticipated CD compilation showcasing 36 tracks of original film & TV scores, including THE GHOST AND MR. CHICKEN, THE RELUCTANT ASTRONAUT, THE SHAKIEST GUN IN THE WEST, HOW TO FRAME A FIGG, THE NIGHT WALKER, THE SPIRIT IS WILLING, A VERY SPECIAL FAVOR, THE CAPER OF THE GOLDEN BULLS, DON'T MAKE WAVES, THE PERILS OF PAULINE and more! Also included are Mizzy's most popular TV themes--THE ADDAMS FAMILY and GREEN ACRES, plus a wide variety of previously unreleased themes, including THE PRUITTS OF SOUTHAMPTON, THE DOUBLE LIFE OF HENRY PHYFFE, THE 13th GATE amd KENTUCKY JONES! All music in this 78-minute collection has been remastered from Mizzy's original studio masters with most tracks being presented here for the first time on CD. This package also contains full-color 24-page booklet with liner notes by Daniel Schweiger detailing the composer's life and career, including rare stills, sheet music, poster and lobby card reproductions and much more! This promotional release is being offered exclusively through www.percepto.com and has been pressed in a limited archival edition of 1000 copies. Buy it here: http://store.percepto.com/percepto/movtvsoun.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) art vs. craft Date: 22 Mar 2001 14:07:38 -0500 At 12:20 PM 3/22/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote: > I think I even understand why Steve feels uncomfortable with today's art. because it feels free to define itself and by that opens doors for every charlatan on the scene to step in. I guess it's a nice quality of yours Moritz to try and understand his point of view. But don't bother. He may agree with your point since he's all about calling people names like "charlatan" but in the end, that's not what this is about. He has a precious and pure view of what constitutes art. And he's wrong. And here's why he's wrong. I think it was Bergman who said this. But what he said was that he didn't feel like he was CREATING anything when he made one of his films. He felt like he was taking things that already existed, things that were already in the world, bringing them back to his room and organizing them to present back to the world. There's way too much made of the word "create" as if things are being conjured out of thin air. Maybe somebody - some artist - thinks that's what they're doing. But they're not. And any artist who thinks they are is either 21 or way too proud of themselves. Some people will tell you that a documentary film is less creative than a drama. And it's certainly easy to understand why they think that. But they're talking about bad documentaries. At their best, a documentary is as "creative" as any other genre of filmmaking. Yes there's a difference between writing and directing your elements and going out into the world and finding the proper elements. But if you believe what Bergman said, as I do, you realize that essentially it's a difference without a distinction. In both cases you're choosing elements and then organizing them for presentation. There's an old wives tale you still hear that says a documentary is 90% the work of an editor. And Steve tells us that an editor is a craftsperson, not an artist. This point of view he's promoting is nothing new though I have to admit, I've seldom met a person who was so married to this idea. It's a bit like the point of view that says "Art is something my 4 year old COULDN'T have drawn". People like Stephen want art to be something that is made by a select group of people with very specific skills. They want it to be something that non-artists could never make. (Or "non-musicians"). If they think to themselves "Oh anybody could have done that" then it's not art. What they conveniently forget is that anybody DIDN'T do it. It's unbelievable that someone could see a collage and go "I think I saw that photo in a magazine once. Therefore I could have made this". But they do. It's not whether they were capable of making it or not. Of course they're capable. The only important distinction is whether they do it or not. This distinction that people make between drama and documentary is repeated in the way some people view a novelist vs. a non-fiction writer. As someone who has written and directed dramatic films, directed a dramatic film which I didn't write and made a documentary, I feel qualified to say that they're all different in interesting ways but none is necessarily more creative or artistic than the other. I hate to "pull rank" like that but I don't know any other way to emphasize the point. I'm working on ideas now in both drama and documentary. Yes they involve different muscles but they're essentially the same thing. It's all just me trying to express myself with different tools and different kinds of elements. I feel funny defending something as "art" because I really don't like the word. I don't like to elevate art over craft for the very reason that people like Stephen will see a distinct line separating the two. I guess it really does go back to God. God creates something out of nothing. Being creative is like being God. If you create using "pre-existing" elements, that's not God-like. It's human. And therefore a lesser act. I don't believe that any human creates something out of nothing. Every word, idea, line of dialogue and plot twist that I'm supposed to be putting into the script I'm avoiding by writing this post, comes from somewhere. Right now it would be more fun to go across the street and interview Steve, the world's angriest fry cook than to sit here and write dialogue for my character Nat Kone, the protagonist of all my scripts. Then again, I can write dialogue for Nat all day. It's as easy as typing. I'm doing it right now. Art is about reflecting the world back to people so they can see it in a different way. Whether the elements were thought up in your own head (if you believe that) or "sampled" from the world is ultimately irrelevant. Errol Morris's "Thin Blue Line" and Chris Marker's "Sans Soleil" made me see the world in new and different ways. If that's not Art to you, call it Sam. It won't change what it is. And with that, I really am finished. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peter Gingerich Subject: (exotica)an avalanche of plastic Date: 22 Mar 2001 14:11:42 -0500 I know this question gets bandied about on the list all the time, BUT how do folx out there all store your cds? In the origional case on a bookshelf? Or do you put them into a book, and if so.... do you jam all the notes and back cover in with the cd? Or put that stuff in the slot next to the cd? (I've noticed the books never seem wide enough to put in the back cover let alone the notes...) Or do you just put cd copies into books? One big book, many different for genres? Chuck the cases? Save boxes from box sets? Most appreciated would be suggestions for brand//size (ie 300 slots) and relative costs of books..... Inquiring minds need to know. pg- (in the mood for spring cleaning) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Intent and Dis(re)tortion Date: 22 Mar 2001 14:12:00 -0500 At 07:45 AM 3/22/01 -0500, buMp wrote: > >i realize this thread is boring the hell out of people so no more retorts >from me. Who cares? They won't read; they won't post. LOTS of things on this list bore the hell out of me, including tiki discussions. But I let them rant and they let me. No? AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) art vs. craft Date: 22 Mar 2001 20:18:25 +0100 (CET) Is not woman the greatest artist! She is even greater than god, since she loves her offspring ;) Men are F R A N K E N S T E I N Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Soundtrack question Date: 22 Mar 2001 20:26:13 +0100 (CET) RONALD STEIN I usually get so involved in a movie that I forget to listen, that is why i cant remember Les Baxters music to Black Sabbath and Black Sunday that I saw on big screen some year ago. How about Ronald Stein? There are two twofers available at Percepto: THE HAUNTED PALACE / THE PREMATURE BURIAL INVASION OF THE SAUCER MEN / IT CONQUERED THE WORLD The last two films I have seen, Invasion... was a great film but for the music, I cant remember. Anyone care to talk about this? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: (exotica) test Date: 22 Mar 2001 11:27:54 -0800 (PST) sorry for the clutternace, but trying to see if i've been rubbed out of the book of life. posts not showing, etc. ===== "What I need is a shot of Drambuie and some clean sheets." - Jack Nance __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) art vs. craft Date: 22 Mar 2001 20:52:50 +0100 alan zweig schrieb: > > I guess it really does go back to God. God creates something out of nothing. That's absolutely impossible! ;-) At least this is as much as *we* can think. It only proves that our thinking must be fundamentally wrong. We will probably never know how "he" did it. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) test Date: 22 Mar 2001 15:12:16 -0500 You're not rubbed out, Ben. I wondered the same thing after my futile post on how people feel about the "Parisian" genre, but now I figure I'm just paying my dues on being ignored. By the way, Magnus, thanks for the Jacobs covers. I've been a big Tintin fan for a long time (even if he is about as overexposed in Europe as Mickey Mouse), and though I don't read French, the Blake and Mortimer series give me new inspiration to learn. Clayton > > sorry for the clutternace, but trying to see if i've > been rubbed out of the book of life. posts not > showing, etc. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) test Date: 22 Mar 2001 21:45:28 +0100 (CET) Clayton wrote: > You're not rubbed out, Ben. I wondered the same thing after my futile post > on how people feel about the "Parisian" genre, but now I figure I'm just > paying my dues on being ignored. I dont have a parisian genre lp, so I could not post. I get ignored all the time, that doesnt worry me! If it would, I would have stopped posting in 96. I just post to make my english, or rather american english ((?) you decide...) better anyway :) > By the way, Magnus, thanks for the Jacobs covers. I've been a big > Tintin fan for a long time (even if he is about as overexposed in Europe as > Mickey Mouse), and though I don't read French, the Blake and Mortimer > series > give me new inspiration to learn. Clayton, have you gotten the english/american Blake and Mortimers? I would like to know how many that was released. I have high hopes for the french Rayon U one, That cover blew me away. I guess I'll just have to look at the pictures, and hope for a release in danish or english someday, In sweden the original swedish releases sell for 30-40 dollars now, I am glad I have them all allready. With these french releases that I buyed yesterday I will have every Blake and Mortimer album produced. That makes me a little sad. Just like when Herge died and you knew there would never be a new adventure. I had another deja vu today while reading a post from Marco, it shouldnt be that often. Something is wrong. -e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g---i-s- http://www.bellybongo.com ----------T-I-K-I---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 22 Mar 2001 22:06:11 +0100 (CET) How is the music from these tv serial? Is the TV serial actually that great? (Five reviewers at amazon give it five stars, a top rating). "Would Magnus like it?", he asked the exotica list hoping for the answer "NO", since he has bought enough allready. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re:(exotica)test Date: 22 Mar 2001 16:19:51 -0500 > From: "Magnus Sandberg" > Reply-To: "Magnus Sandberg" > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:45:28 +0100 (CET) > To: exotica@xmission.com > Subject: Re: (exotica) test > > I dont have a parisian genre lp, so I could not post. Sorry, I thought you said you didn't get the post. Ignore that section of my last note. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: RE: (exotica) test Date: 22 Mar 2001 22:20:03 +0100 (CET) citerar "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" : > Hi Magnus, > > > I had another deja vu today while reading a post from Marco, it > > shouldnt be that often. Something is wrong. > > What do you mean by that? I hope I didn't write something that offended > you. No not at all buddy! :) Deja Vu is the experience you get once and awhile when you feel you have been through the exact thing before. Scientists cant give an explanation to it, maybe the brain is disturbed by a smell, or a noise that creates a little block out or something, or as I believe, that we have lived this life forever and ever. The idea is to try to break the circle, or... just to float along. My idea for the moment is just to float along and try to get the most out of life as possible. Tomorrow maybe I will try again to break the circle, but my earlier experiments with that sure was painful. We are guarded by Mr Inbetween, or Tiki if you want. "He" dont want us to know these things. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 22 Mar 2001 16:24:19 -0500 > From: "Magnus Sandberg" > Reply-To: "Magnus Sandberg" > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:06:11 +0100 (CET) > To: exotica@xmission.com > Subject: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial > > > > > How is the music from these tv serial? Is the TV serial actually that > great? (Five reviewers at amazon give it five stars, a top > rating). "Would Magnus like it?", he asked the exotica list hoping for > the answer "NO", since he has bought enough allready. > I used to love this series, when it showed up (which was VERY irregularly). Check out http://www.thunderbirdsonline.com/1100/ Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 22 Mar 2001 15:28:53 -0600 Hi Magnus, Asking a Thunderbirds fanatic like me whether or not any aspect of the show was great will inevitably get you a "yes" answer! The music that Barry Gray orchestrated for Gerry Anderson's little Supermarionation extravaganzas is a whole lot of fun -- dynamic, creative, exciting -- everything that good adventure show music ought to be. The Thunderbirds show was for me, the holy grail of television when I was a kid; great models, cool gear, a terrific "secret" base, and of course, puppets that smoked cigarettes! That being said, the music from Thunderbirds is not my favorite Barry Gray score, it's a little too military for my tastes. I like his work on Stingray and Joe 90 a lot more. The stuff he did for Stingray is particularly exotic. Just listen to the Stingray theme with its duelling kettle drum and brass section mixing it up with soaring background vocals and topped off with a groovy lounge-style crooner. I asked the online Magic 8-ball, "Would Magnus like it?" http://8ball.federated.com/ The answer: "You can rely on it" Sorry! Matt Magnus Sandberg wrote: > How is the music from these tv serial? Is the TV serial actually that > great? (Five reviewers at amazon give it five stars, a top > rating). "Would Magnus like it?", he asked the exotica list hoping for > the answer "NO", since he has bought enough allready. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Musicians Date: 22 Mar 2001 13:45:22 -0800 I never thought that saying that a musician should be able to play some sort of instrument would be so controversial! Sorry if I made anybody cry. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lenkei Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 22 Mar 2001 16:38:08 -0500 (EST) I just gotta say, while I'm sure the music is good, those damn puppets were way too creepy for me as a kid. I know it sounds crazy, but I still get freaked out by that show for some reason. - Bruce ++++++++++++++++++++ Lenkei Design Graphic Design www.lenkeidesign.com ++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit The Exotica Review As many exotica/lounge record reviews as possible! on the web at: www.bway.net/~er ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 22 Mar 2001 23:03:48 +0100 Magnus Sandberg wrote: > How is the music from these tv serial? Is the TV serial actually that > great? (Five reviewers at amazon give it five stars, a top > rating). Can I give it six stars out of five? I watch(ed) them religiously. Of course nowadays the marionet technique is outdated compared to Spielberg style computer effects, but their stylishness has never been equalled. > "Would Magnus like it?", he asked the exotica list hoping for > the answer "NO", since he has bought enough allready. Would you believe there are actually people out there who didn't grow up on the series and are somewhat indifferent towards it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 22 Mar 2001 16:46:28 -0600 Bruce Lenkei wrote: > I just gotta say, while I'm sure the music is good, those damn puppets > were way too creepy for me as a kid. I know it sounds crazy, but I > still get freaked out by that show for some reason. Yours was not an uncommon reaction. I know several people who found Supermarionation to be "serious nightmare fuel" as Mike Nelson and the 'Bots used to say. Between the ages of 4 and 6, I was watching a lot of horror and SF films at the same time that I was watching Thunderbirds. Compared to Grand Guignol moviemaking like "Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte", those marionettes seemed pretty harmless to me. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Vic Mizzy release on CD Date: 22 Mar 2001 18:00:07 -0500 At 07:54 PM 3/22/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: > >VIC MIZZY - SUITES & THEMES >CAPER OF THE GOLDEN BULLS, If anyone wants to buy this on vinyl, contact moi. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) film noir Date: 22 Mar 2001 18:20:35 -0500 I happened to catch "The Wild Bunch" the other night, and while I'm certainly not going to say it *is* noir, the situation is classic noir: a bunch of hard-bitten mugs plotting that last big job, but clearly destined for doom. There's even noir vets in the cast: Robert Ryan, Edmond O'Brien (unrecognizable as the crusty old coot, bet he enjoyed that role), William Holden, maybe more? Beating a music angle into this post, Jerry Fielding does the score, combining effective orchestral sections with exotic (from Hollywood's perspective) traditional Mexican music. --- I'm curious... do you folks see Fritz Lang's "M" fitting into noir? Is it a very early prototype, or is it just way too early to even think about that? m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Capitalism Date: 22 Mar 2001 16:05:51 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >But I understand what makes him mad. I guess in 75% of the cases it's the >same things that make me mad. But I blame other reasons for it. For >instance capitalism. I think I blame laziness. People are just too impatient to express themselves to take the time to learn the skill necessary to be fluent. You have to learn a language before you can speak. Imagine trying to get across the ideas in Hamlet using baby talk! Today, even the Shaggs are considered art. I don't waste time with "so bad it's good". I want to see and listen to things that are the expression of someone with both ideas and skills. It also helps to have a firm basis in and respect for the art that went before. I like Chaikovsky... Oops! Tchaikovsky. There are plenty of cats with chops in the Exotica realm too. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 22 Mar 2001 19:20:41 -0500 >I just gotta say, while I'm sure the music is good, those damn puppets >were way too creepy for me as a kid. I know it sounds crazy, but I >still get freaked out by that show for some reason. Watching Anderson's inanimate actors does sometimes feel like watching corpses on a string. But still livelier than many Oscar nominees. (sorry, best punchline I could come up with at the moment) --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Exotica in comic books EP Jacobs Date: 22 Mar 2001 19:21:50 -0500 >Some of my favorite comics were made by a belgian called Edgar P >Jacobs, he worked for Herge doing backgrounds in Tintin, until he >created his own characters, Blake and Mortimer. I have a couple of English-translated Blake & Mortimer books: "The Time Trap" and "Atlantis Mystery". Catalan Communications published these editions in the late 80s. These are vintage E.P. Jacobs stories. Love that clear-line art style. The plots kind of strike me as roots material for Dr. Who. >In this album Mortimer is trapped in a timemachine, and fights >dinosaurs (in the past) and fascists (In the future). An amazing view >of our future with doomsday weapons and killer robots. It is available >in english I think: That sounds a lot like "The Time Trap". Does he start wearing a pointy-headed helmet near the end? ["Yow, are we warping time yet?"] The Comics Journal did a good little history of Jacobs and his work in an issue back around the late 80s or early 90s. Magnus, you might want to keep an eye out for the current Spanish artist, Daniel Torres. He works in a similar style, with more of an art deco flavor. He's done a series of adventures of "Rocco Vargas". Also does illustration and design work, I think. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica)an avalanche of plastic Date: 22 Mar 2001 19:27:04 -0500 >From: Peter Gingerich > >I know this question gets bandied about on the list all the time, >BUT > >how do folx out there all store your cds? OK with out looking at the other posts. I use the big 200/400 case logic for CDr's but usually put most of my CD's and the artwork in a "double pocket CD sleeve" that also holds what they call the "J" card. I get them from Bags Unlimited. (toll free 800 767 bags) http://www.bagsunlimited.com/ CAT # SCDDPJ. I can usually fit hundreds of CDs in a suitcase. Great for lugging disks to the studio. Gotta order more! Domenic Ciccone Martinis with Mancini WJUL 91.5 Friday's 6-9AM http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/listen.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) test Date: 22 Mar 2001 19:38:38 EST In a message dated 3/22/1 3:12:48 PM, clayton.black@washcoll.edu wrote: >I wondered the same thing after my futile post >on how people feel about the "Parisian" genre, but now I figure I'm just >paying my dues on being ignored. its not being ignored, its being consumed and processed....JB/just throw it out there..ALSO enjoy the art vs craft debate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 22 Mar 2001 18:38:40 -0600 "m.ace" wrote: > Watching Anderson's inanimate actors does sometimes feel like watching > corpses on a string. > > But still livelier than many Oscar nominees. Had the movie "Thunderbirds Are Go" by some miracle received an Oscar nomination back in 1968, we would've had an excellent opportunity to contrast and compare. I'm not just flailing my little wooden arms here. I had the opportunity to watch this again last year and was surprised by how good it was -- far better than some of the crap that's been nominated this year. The dream sequence that features Supermarionated members of the Shadows backing up Cliff Richard is great stuff. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) test Date: 22 Mar 2001 19:41:32 EST In a message dated 3/22/1 4:20:36 PM, m.sandberg@telia.com wrote: >Deja Vu is the experience you get once and awhile when you feel you >have been through the exact thing before. Yogi Berra said it best: "Its like deja-vu all over again." Yogi Berra on a hot new restaurant in Manhattan: "That place got so popular nobody goes there anymore." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 22 Mar 2001 22:19:00 -0500 >Had the movie "Thunderbirds Are Go" by some miracle received an Oscar >nomination back in 1968, we would've had an excellent opportunity to contrast >and compare. > >The dream sequence that features Supermarionated members of the Shadows >backing >up Cliff Richard is great stuff. Yes indeedy! The weird thing is that when Turner showed it on one of their channels a few years back, it was flagged at the start as "edited for content"! What on earth did they cut? I thought the legendary smoking scenes might be clipped, but no, they were there. What the heck was it? Hanky panky with Lady Penelope and the boys? --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 22 Mar 2001 22:41:29 EST In a message dated 3/22/01 4:00:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, bigshot@spumco.com writes: << Today, even the Shaggs are considered art. I don't waste time with "so bad it's good". I want to see and listen to things that are the expression of someone with both ideas and skills. It also helps to have a firm basis in and respect for the art that went before. >> Personally I'll take the Shaggs over most of the "chops-over-feeling" folks anyday, but maybe that's just me... (and below you start the flames, I said most, not all....) And maybe I missed this thread, but would Warhol be considered art then? -DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: (exotica) Art Date: 22 Mar 2001 22:36:42 -0500 I thought I'd present some of my opinions on the 'what is art' question, rather than simplying submitting some quote from Gilligan again. It is so easy to think of art as residing along some staright parallel line, with artists residing on one end of the line and non-artists on the other. Then defining an artist is simply a matter of placing the dividing line at the appropriate location between the two extremes. But I can think of at least three ways of defining that line... 1) skilled versus unskilled - On the 'non-artist' end would be the people who have never picked up a musical instrument in their lives. On the opposite 'artist' end would be the Eric Claptons, the Jimi Hendrixes, the acclaimed masters of their craft. There will be various schools of thought as to what skills place a person in the 'technically proficient master ' area ( is it schooling at Julliard?, 40 years of performing on the road and the ability to improvise with a wide diversity of musical groups? learning all the skills with DJ'ing (both technical record sampling skills and antcipating the flow and feel of the crowd) 2) Then there are the types who want to identify themselves as 'artists' versus being willing to simply identify oneself as an accountant, a waitress, or any occupation which are seen as generally uncreative. This aspect of 'artsitry' is more simply a matter of willpower ---' i want to be an artist, so that is what I am', and then seeks to fiefferentaite themself from the more traditional roles. The artist here may be a painter who is highly unskilled, but still makes the effort to take his/her canvases out into some scenic location every weekend so he/she can paint. Or it can be the person who is dedicated to waking up early and writing 4 hours every morning. These people maty end up eventually as skilled artists, or their work may remain at a mediocre level. The tendency may be to slight and put down these probably untrained artists, but I feel they perform an important role. Its important for every community and every group to have artists , to show that art is a possible choice to persue, and not simply a skill that the Gods blesses upon the Eric Claptons in the world. It is important for people to feel that they themselves can create art. The world would be a much sadder place if these 'artists' did not exist, if the only option was to follow the business leader/ sports hero / righteous model of the proper way. 3) Then there are what I call the true artists --- the people who see the world in new visionary ways that nobody has ever thought of before. It might be Louis Armstrong with his scat singing ..... it might be Andy Warhol with his Campbell soup can painting. This definition can be associated with discoverers/inventors -- as the first people who tried doing something in a completely new way. The opposite of this type would be a person who simply seeks to duplicate what has been done before. Somebody might be a very accomplished guitarist, and recognized for his skills, but if he ends up playing exactly in the style that Eric Clapton has played in the past, and is simply trying to copycat him, then has anything new really been done?? (other than it being nice to have nice accomplished musicians around to brighten our dreary worlds) Another example would be the amateur artists who buy the 'How to paint' books and whose goal is to have their work mistaken as an original by some other well-known artist. Of course, the best artists may be those who overlap all three areas ..... they are highly skilled in their chosen area, they venture off into new directions unthought of before, plus they choose to pursue their role through the hardships and tough years. That's all for now .... Simply adding more meanders to the glorious flow of the river Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) When Marionettes Attack Date: 22 Mar 2001 22:10:57 -0600 "m.ace" wrote: > The weird thing is that when Turner showed it on one of their channels a few > years back, it was flagged at the start as "edited for content"! What on earth > did they cut? I thought the legendary smoking scenes might be clipped, but no, > they were there. I don't know for sure, but when Fox reran the show briefly on Saturday morning a few years back (cut to 23 mins/episode with a horrible techno soundtrack no less), they not only axed the smoking, but they also whacked any scene that hinted at Tin-Tin and Kyrano's subservient relationship to the Tracy family. As I recall, Turner was also in a PC-editing frenzy around this time, redubbing Tom and Jerry cartoons to eliminate racial overtones and hacking at Looney Tunes to rid them of disturbing scenes of gratuitous Wile E. Coyote abuse. > What the heck was it? Hanky panky with Lady Penelope and the boys? Or even more disturbing...Parker. "Oh *yessss*, m'lady!" -- Matt P.S. I almost died laughing when Lady Penelope made a cameo appearance in an episode of Absolutely Fabulous. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 22 Mar 2001 20:24:26 -0800 > How is the music from these tv serial? Is the TV serial actually that > great? (Five reviewers at amazon give it five stars, a top > rating). "Would Magnus like it?", he asked the exotica list hoping for > the answer "NO", since he has bought enough allready. Sure, Magnus would like it! The TV series is terrific - at least for anybody that grew up in the sixties with Supercar, Lady Penelope, Stingray, Captain Scarlet and the rest of the Supermarionation gang. And Barry Gray's music is terrific too! Much later came "Space:1999". Earlier there was "The Adventures of Twizzle" and "Torchy The Battery Boy". what CD's are you considering? There is "No Strings Attached", which also came as a 10 inch, I recall. Then there were all these very cool little UK Century 21 Mini Albums which leaned more toward dialoge from episodes. Beautiful picture sleeves on these. then there are the various CD compilations that include the themes, but other than that I don't think there is much out there, is there? But thanks to Fanderson, the offical Gerry Anderson Appreciation Society, there an incredible Original Television Soundtrack to both Supercar and Fireball XL5 available as one disc. It's without a doubt my most treasured CD - 52 tracks of themes, library and incidental music. Excellant quality. Many tracks less than a minute with others in the 3:00 minute range. Each tracks' use fully described in the booklet as well as musicians credits and recording dates. These dates range from 1960 - 1963. I learned of this CD a couple of years ago when I saw it going for big bucks on ebay. I searched and searched for it and finally ran across what is supposedly the ONLY place to get it. Fanderson. Once I found the site, I had to join the society to be able to make a purchase - all their stuff is available for members only. :( So I cheerfully coughed up the $25 bucks to join and bought two. Kept one, sold a sealed one on ebay and recoverd all my dough and then some. Neat story, huh? :) here are both sides of the CD booklet: http://www.basichip.com/covers/supercar.jpg http://www.basichip.com/covers/fireball.jpg and here are 8 downloadable samples. All are in the 400-700 KB file size range and run about a minute, so download times should move right along. Cable and DSL subscribers will have em in a blink of an eye. SUPERCAR "Supercar" (Series One Title Song) performed by Mike Sammes of the Mike Sammes Singers Yea! original version of the title song http://www.basichip.com/sounds/01.mp3 "Here Comes Supercar" commonly used library track usually heard as Supercar flies to her destination http://www.basichip.com/sounds/05.mp3 "Dr. Horatio Beaker" first heard in "Rescue" as Dr. Beaker decides to heat test Supercar's rocket outlet ceramic http://www.basichip.com/sounds/06.mp3 "Zizi's Song" performed by Sylvia Anderson (Gerry's wife) Zizi is accompanied by Dr. Beaker on his amazing Beakette organ for a performance at Mike Mercury's birthday party http://www.basichip.com/sounds/10.mp3 FIREBALL XL5 "Aphro's Theme" on a remote volcanic planet, Steve meets Aphros, Queen of the Space Amazons http://www.basichip.com/sounds/35.mp3 "Formula 5" cool jazz instro first heard when Steve and Venus have coffee at the beach house http://www.basichip.com/sounds/41.mp3 "XL5 In Pursuit" often heard accompanying XL5's travels in space http://www.basichip.com/sounds/46.mp3 "Fireball" (TV21 version) performed by Ken Barrie alternative version of the series' closing titles recorded in 1965 http://www.basichip.com/sounds/52.mp3 Here's a link to the Fanderson site: http://www.kikgraphics.demon.co.uk/fanderson.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Art Date: 22 Mar 2001 23:18:16 -0500 > I thought I'd present some of my opinions on the 'what is art' question, > rather than simplying submitting some quote from Gilligan again. Re-reading the message I just sent, I want to say that all misspellings were intentional, and meant as a purely artistic statement, and were not a result of the several beers I drank between finishing work today and coming home to my computer. Vern. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) vic mizzy question Date: 23 Mar 2001 12:53:31 +0800 does anyone have any more information on this vic mizzy disc? i mean it says it is a "promotional copy"?? what does that mean? a 24 page booklet seems small to me. does this mean it will be released in a different form later? i know some of this comes from my perspective of local cd prices here but i found it rather pricey for a disc. almost 20 bucks plus 8 bucks postage? and the packaging sounds standard, not like those great basta releases or the last couple of releases that came out on readymade records. i'm still considering it but if anyone knows if it will be sold by other shops(i.e. dustygroove) i would be happy to know. william in taipei. >This package also contains full-color 24-page booklet with liner notes >by Daniel Schweiger detailing the composer's life and career, including >rare stills, sheet music, poster and lobby card reproductions and much >more! > >This promotional release is being offered exclusively through >www.percepto.com and has been pressed in a limited archival edition of >1000 copies. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mark jung" Subject: re: (exotica)an avalanche of plastic Date: 23 Mar 2001 05:00:40 tried the caselogic notebooks, they're pretty bulky too, and rearranging everything to add disks was nightmarish. take a look at http://www.jewelsleeve.com that's how this story ended. getting RID of jewelcases presents another problem, entirely... Suckers are expensive, but the more than make up for it in the space saved and nice presentation - __________________________________________________________________ ...And lo, from high above a keyboard, one Peter Gingerich's voice boomed: >I know this question gets bandied about on the list all the time, >BUT how do folx out there all store your cds? > In the origional case on a bookshelf? Or do you put them into a book, and if so.... do you jam all the notes and back cover in with the cd? Or put that stuff in the slot next to the cd? (I've noticed the books never seem wide enough to put in the back cover let alone the notes...) Or do you just put cd copies into books? One big book, many different for genres? Chuck the cases? Save boxes from box sets? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial Date: 23 Mar 2001 10:14:20 +0100 Matt Marchese schrieb: > The dream sequence that features Supermarionated members of the Shadows backing > up Cliff Richard is great stuff. I remember that! Was that a dream sequence? I thought Lady Penelope was "really" flying to another planet to see the Shadows. Does any of the participators of this thread happen to have this episode on CDR? I'd be willing to trade a copy! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Exotica in comic books EP Jacobs Date: 23 Mar 2001 11:00:46 +0100 (CET) citerar "m.ace" : > Magnus, you might want to keep an eye out for the current Spanish artist, > Daniel Torres. He works in a similar style, with more of an art deco > flavor. He's done a series of adventures of "Rocco Vargas". Also does > illustration and design work, I think. > > --m.ace I know that guy, yes he definetely has captured the style of "clear line", in fact there are many doing it in europe, but mostly the stories are so thin and it feel it is just a showcase for expressing the artists voyeurism. I breathed talked and thinked comics in the 80s, then I lost much of my interest, but now I feel an urge to investigate again. Caro, who later made Delicatessen and The City of Lost Children was a hero. Very strange stuff, and a completely own drawing style. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Thunderbirds puppet tv serial +smoking Date: 23 Mar 2001 12:03:15 +0100 (CET) Considering the praise, and the fact that these puppets scare the hell out of you, I must try them out, now I'll just have to decide which DVD releases to buy, they are available in USA, Britain, Germany, Spain and France. In France they even have swedish subtitles. I most certainly have missed something, I am sure it never was shown on TV when I was a kid. smoking puppets, I bet they are censored in USA on DVD. In sweden we still can smoke in restaurants! Hah!!! In Spain you are allowed to smoke in Banks. Good old Europe, I love You. How many smokers are there on the list? What brand do you smoke? I smoke a swedish brand: "John Silver", or a danish one: "Prince". Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 23 Mar 2001 12:48:41 +0100 (CET) > << Today, even the Shaggs are considered art. I don't waste time with > "so bad it's good Then you are missing something essential in my opinion. And what is "bad"? Just because it is different from any normal sounding music doesnt mean it is bad. From my experience the most interesting views of our life on earth comes from the art that is despised by the rulers of taste. In fact _their_ taste stinks and is an enemy to anything "fantastique". > Personally I'll take the Shaggs over most of the "chops-over-feeling" folks I would absolutely not want to live in a world without the Shaggs, I havent had the guts to listen to the whole side of my LP though. Small doses every third year. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: RE: (exotica) test Date: 23 Mar 2001 05:40:15 -0800 (PST) Thanks for the regression therapy, Magnus. I thought I'd never hear of that song again. Who had the hit with Mr Inbetween (early 70s, I think)? When we were kids, I used to call my little brother that to piss him off. --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: We are guarded by Mr > Inbetween, ===== "Cold stars watch us, chum. Cold stars and the whores." - Kenneth Patchen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) test Date: 23 Mar 2001 05:52:33 -0800 (PST) (Is there any other variety? heh) Me too, with a little ghosting from Mr Inbetween, the phantom spellchecker. --- Magnus Sandberg wrote: I just post to make my > english, or rather > american english ((?) you decide...) better anyway > :) ===== "Cold stars watch us, chum. Cold stars and the whores." - Kenneth Patchen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: RE: (exotica) test Date: 23 Mar 2001 15:27:56 +0100 (CET) > --- Magnus wrote: > > We are guarded by Mr > > Inbetween, > --- Ben wrote: > Thanks for the regression therapy, Magnus. I thought > I'd never hear of that song again. Who had the hit > with Mr Inbetween (early 70s, I think)? Dont know, I actually picked the name from a Bing Crosby/Andrew Sisters song: "Ac-Cent-tchu-ate-the-positive". Allthough here they advise you Not to mess with Mr Inbetween, I have messed with him since I was a child, and it has caused me some pain but also rewards. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: (exotica) Obits Date: 23 Mar 2001 09:43:12 -0500 No, I'm not sending obituaries. That's someone else's job. But given our recent discussion of cartoons, I thought it appropriate to mention the death of William Hanna (of Hanna/Barbera). I don't think much of the quality of the Hanna Barbera cartoons, but I will say that the Jetsons theme song was always one of my favorite tunes, especially once they got through the introductions and really started swinging. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ross Orr Subject: (exotica) Re: Art Date: 23 Mar 2001 10:19:53 -0500 Steve wrote: >I never thought that saying that a musician should be able >to play some sort of instrument would be so controversial! >I think I blame laziness. People are just too impatient to express >themselves OK, I think I'm getting it. Conlon Nancarrow wasn't a real musician, because he was too lazy to learn to play the piano. cheers, --Ross || Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr || Ann Arbor, Michigan USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Pop Electronique" by Cecil Leuter Date: 23 Mar 2001 17:05:21 +0100 (CET) "Pop Electronique" by Cecil Leuter (Roger Roger), from 1969. A recording just as old as I am, and terrific for a jaded ear, it sound so "new"! I cant recommend it highly enough, it begins with an unscrupulous R2D2 combined with a cool rock/beat/organ comp close to "astro sounds". Some of the funniest robotmusic I have heard in years. Other tracks features just the serious side of R2D2, not Musik Konkret, but something near it without getting "difficult" for the senses. Lots of crazy rythms. Fast... slow... overcome one's suspicion of technology overcome one's suspicion of technology overcome one's suspicion of technology overcome one's suspicion of technology overcome one's suspicion of technology overcome one's suspicion of technology overcome one's suspicion of technology overcome one's suspicion of technology overcome one's suspicion of technology overcome one's suspicion of technology Bought my CD at www.dustygroove.com -e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g---i-s- http://www.bellybongo.com ----------T-I-K-I---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) smoking and otherness Date: 23 Mar 2001 12:15:03 -0500 At 12:03 PM 3/23/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: . >How many smokers are there >on the list? What brand do you smoke?. I love that you asked that. But alas, I'm no longer a smoker. I know I shouldn't be ashamed of that but somehow I am. It still doesn't make sense to me that I don't smoke. I mean, who's more self-destructive than me. I quit last year on April Fool's Day. Just before I quit, I asked a friend of mine who'd smoked about as long as I had, whether he missed it. And he said "I figured out that over the years I'd smoked about 400 thousand cigarettes. Whatever there is to get out of cigarettes, if I hadn't gotten it by 400 thousand, I figured I'd never get it". That helped me quit. Later Will Straw, another illustrious ex-smoker, told me that "Smoking is a young man's game". That's become one of my mantras. It's behind me now, I hope. But if you're young like Magnus, smoke em if you got em. It's so funny that you guys are talking about Thunderbirds. It's like the list has moved beyond music and is seeking out examples of "otherness" wherever it can find it. From Jodorowsky to the Thunderbirds. I know it's a stretch to put Jodorowsky and the Thunderbirds in the same "bag" but that kind of stuff is so NOT what I'm into. It's not my bag, man. I'm trying to think of something with a quality of otherness that I do like. Anybody seen the movie "Female on the Beach"? I like that. I guess it's basically just camp so it probably doesn't qualify. I like Space Ghost. I'm not sure if that's the name. The cartoon character who has a talk show. I've never watched more than a few seconds but I love the concept. Oh speaking of tikis, yesterday in a bookstore I saw the Book of Tiki. And even though I am NOT a tiki guy, I was very tempted to buy the book. But next to the book was this little book called "The Vixens of Vinyl". It was a bunch of album covers with women. I enjoyed the fact that I owned twenty five percent of the records depicted in the book. I was very tempted to buy that, even though it's so small and I had so many of the records. Funny thing, that. So while I was in the mood to spend over $20 on a book, I convinced myself instead to buy this Taschen book of cheesecake nudes. Okay I've gotta take Brian and cheryl record shopping now. (As if anyone's still reading this utterly offtopic post...) AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 23 Mar 2001 12:36:22 -0500 At 12:48 PM 3/23/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: >> Personally I'll take the Shaggs over most of the "chops-over-feeling" >folks >I would absolutely not want to live in a world without the Shaggs, Here's my guilty admission. For years I made no attempt to hear the Shaggs, assuming that I'd heard enough "so bad it's good" music that I didn't need to hear them. But boy was I wrong. I've only heard a few cuts at this point and I don't know how often I would listen to it but to simply put the Shaggs in that "so bad it's good" category is a huge underestimation. Yes that does describe them. They are bad. But their individual incompetence collided in the most beautiful "happy accident" I've ever heard. If like me, you just assume you've heard stuff like the Shaggs, don't assume any longer. If it weren't for happy accidents, the world would be a far poorer place. I don't necessarily want to rouse the bigshot from his lair, now that he seems to be sleeping again but it's so funny that the Shaggs were given as yet another example of his personal hall of shame. People who love the Shaggs are not celebrating bad musicianship. As a sidebar they may be acknowledging that good musicians don't necessarily make good music. But they don't love the Shaggs because they have a philosophical bent in that direction. They love them because they heard it and they thought "Wow, what's that?" Yeah the drummer seems to be playing a different song in a different world. But somehow that doesn't detract from it and even contributes to the beauty of it. If you can't love something without worrying about how it was created, then you're going to miss out on a lot of beauty. Then again, I don't like classical music. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: pink panther Date: 23 Mar 2001 19:06:19 +0100 >From: clayton black >..... I don't know if all of the music was Mancini, but obviously the >theme was, i have recorded from TV an OLD Pink Panther cartoon (don't know the year, but it looked more 50's than 60's -- bad quality, cheap budget stuff) that does NOT use Mancini's theme, but a theme SONG by Doug Goodwin, called "Panther, Pink Panther, from head to toes"... Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: KPM releases Date: 23 Mar 2001 19:06:50 +0100 http://www.resolutionrecords.co.uk/ sells them, http://www.geocities.com/vinyl_vulture/ talks about 'm... and Alan Hawkshaw Soul Organ Showcase LP, KPM 1027, UK Alan Hawkshaw The Big Beat LP, KPM 1044, UK Illustrations No.8 LP, DeWolfe music library DW LP 3168 Munich Concert Pop Orchestra It's All In The Beat LP, Amphonic AMPS 117, UK, 1976 are the only ones i have myself... you know, between and 1988 and 1991, i worked at a place where they had ALL KPM LPs. one of my tasks was doing some basic sonorisation work now and then, and i was supposed to listen to those KPM records while doing graphics work (my main task) but i didn't, as i hated them ;-) as a matter of fact, we all hated them, and used the word "KPM" as a general description of "horrible, old-fashioned, kitsch background music" :) i wish i had known back then how my musical taste would evolve... well that's life, i guess. i contacted them a couple of years ago to ask if they wanted to sell some of them to me, but negative. Johan (sjit, still 8 digests behind...) ----- At 7:17 -0700 2001/03/16, exotica-digest wrote: > >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:54:51 -0000 >From: "Paul Hodge" >Subject: (exotica) KPM - list > >Does anyone know where I can find a definitive (or a close to) list of the >very collectable >KPM releases from the late 60s/early 70s? > >De Wolfe, Amphonic & Telemusic would also be good. > >Thanks > >Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: KPM releases Date: 23 Mar 2001 19:25:32 +0100 (CET) ONE THING I WILL NEVER forgive myself for, seeing about 25 library LPs in mint condition at a fleamarket three years ago, looking at the cover of "Outer space and science music" or something like that, Drawn covers... Scientific looking... all were similar in style. But no, that was not enough for me, I wanted Esquivel, or Denny. $1 each, and I bought NONE! I try to tell myself: they came from 1975 to 80. No cool electronic sounds at that time, too late". Is it possible to identfy these series? Was it a great mistake? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Daniel Shiman" Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 23 Mar 2001 18:34:55 >People who love the Shaggs are not celebrating bad musicianship. As a >sidebar they may be acknowledging that good musicians don't necessarily >make good music. But they don't love the Shaggs because they have a >philosophical bent in that direction. >They love them because they heard it and they thought "Wow, what's that?" >Yeah the drummer seems to be playing a different song in a different world. > But somehow that doesn't detract from it and even contributes to the >beauty of it. I agree there is a strange beauty to the Shaggs which goes beyond just the appeal of hearing something so un-self-consciously frank and emotional (I'm trying hard to avoid the usual condescending descriptions saved for the Wiggin sisters) and some far-out ideas about musicianship. However, novelty value I think is the limit ultimately of many hipsters' ironic enjoyment of the Shaggs. To me their lyrics are fascinating in a sort of disturbing way, but the music itself is genuinely, and repeatedly, interesting: there are some sounds created (intentionally or not it doesn't matter) which are all at once otherworldly, and dissonant, and attractive. And I love that their last name is "Wiggin". woof, Dan Hear! "Dial-ated Pupils" -- every Saturday 4-6 pm CST exclusively at www.radio1austin.com. I will lead you safely through the perilous dark jungles of Austin's scratchiest record collection. Exotic jazz. Obscure Latin, Afro, and Eastern grooves. Easy listening arcana. Bring your bug spray. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: RE: (exotica) test Date: 23 Mar 2001 09:48:06 -0800 (PST) Never mind. It was jolly Burl Ives. --- Ben Waugh wrote: > > Thanks for the regression therapy, Magnus. I thought > I'd never hear of that song again. Who had the hit > with Mr Inbetween (early 70s, I think)? ===== "Cold stars watch us, chum. Cold stars and the whores." - Kenneth Patchen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) vic mizzy question Date: 23 Mar 2001 13:52:06 -0500 on 3/22/01 11:53 PM, William at king8egg@ms60.url.com.tw wrote: > does anyone have any more information on this vic mizzy disc? i mean it says > it is a "promotional copy"?? what does that mean? a 24 page booklet seems > small to me. does this mean it will be released in a different form later? I got it a couple of days ago. It's listed as 'promotional' because Vic Mizzy put it together from his personal collection of tapes; I'm sure the music is owned by the television and film companies that he wrote it for, although as the composer he would have the right to self publish in order to promote his own work, but that's why it's a limited edition. It's not a bootleg in the classic sense, since it was compiled by the composer himself. I would doubt that it will be released again in another form. The quality is great all around, the booklet is informative and has lots of never published photos. Overall, it's classic 60's TV music; even the film music sounds like TV music, if you know what I mean. Mizzy is similar to other composer/arrangers of the era, especially ones from New York like Bernie Green, who wrote what I think of as 'department store music' - music for jaunty shopping at Macy's, but listen for that minor second interval on the xylophone when our protagonist trips on the elevator. If ya like that stuff, and I do, then it's worth the 20 bucks. Delivery was very prompt - I ordered on Friday and it was delivered Tuesday, 3000 miles away. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re:(exotica)the Shaggs Date: 23 Mar 2001 15:18:05 -0500 > From: alan zweig > Then again, I don't like classical music. I do like a lot of classical music, sometimes, but I'm glad that you wrote this, Alan. Much of my complaint with classical music has nothing to do with the music itself but with the people who see it as the only acceptable medium of musical expression or who commit their tastes to it because it is "safe"--everybody agrees that it's "high" culture, and plenty of people are sufficiently insecure about their own tastes that they figure no one will argue with them if they wax eloquent about Beethoven. There's an awful lot of this in academe. People talk as though classical music is the only music that is suitably intellectual for their tastes. Of course, there's also a good bit of rebellious embrace of "low" culture just for the sake of irony, usually accompanied by the adoption of an entire aesthetic. Like just about anything, I've found, classical music becomes more interesting the more you know about it, but I'll be damned if I'll accept the idea that there is anything morally or intellectually superior about it as opposed to, for example, Tuvan throat singers or Doctor Nico or the Ramones or Cal Tjader. To me the attitude of "classical is superior" smacks too much of late nineteenth century attitudes of European superiority--an outdated artifact of the imperial age. My little rant. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re:(exotica)the Shaggs Date: 23 Mar 2001 22:03:11 +0100 (CET) citerar Clayton Black : > My little rant. My little rant is this: The best classical music I have ever heard comes from an ordinary housewife in england 1970 who recieved notes from the composers themselves several hundred years after they died. I wrote about this lady a month ago, no replies except for Mo, who questioned the quality of the music. That cds from re:search, how often how I questioned their taste, they choosed damn it some of the most uninteresting stuff in this huge genre. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) Vixens of Vinyl Date: 23 Mar 2001 13:26:31 -0800 (PST) Alan or anyone Is this a beautiful full sized spread of album covers like "the Album Cover Art of Soundtracks" ? From your description it sounds like a small paperback with tiny pictures. Its at Amazon with a June release date for $11 something. As if I need to look at another cheesecake cover. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck --- alan zweig wrote: But > next to the book was this little book called "The Vixens of > Vinyl". It was a bunch of album covers with women. I enjoyed the fact that I owned twenty five percent of the records depicted in the book. I was very tempted to buy that, even though it's so small and I had so many of the records. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Vixens of Vinyl Date: 23 Mar 2001 22:58:27 +0100 (CET) > As if I need to look at another cheesecake cover. Its an art just for itself. I think most of the high prices on old records derive from the covers picturing cute sexy women. As I have written before, it still amazes me to a very high degree! I cant believe this era, it is too good to be true. Makes one think of the great mistake that was made in the early 70s, when they succeeded to change something essential for us humans. Attraction. Sensuality. The "Game". Its like the sun spoke of love but wanted as equal. Wanting to erase our differences. But maybe that is just me. I want my woman a woman. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Milhuisen Subject: Re: (exotica) Warhol Date: 23 Mar 2001 23:10:28 +0100 Warhol stole the idea of incorporating the image of a Campbell's soup can in a work of art from the Swiss outsider artist Adolf W=F6lfli. W=F6lfli made his Campbell's Tomato Soup in 1929, predating Warhol by 33 years. http://www.inmostra.net/ccs/wolfli/11.html some info on W=F6lfli in English: http://members.loop.com/~supermarky/aaSkt.AdolfII.html http://www.rawvision.com/back/wolfli/wolfli.html itsvern@attglobal.net wrote: >3) Then there are what I call the true artists --- the people who see >the world in new visionary ways that nobody has ever thought of before. >It might be Louis Armstrong with his scat singing ..... it might be Andy >Warhol with his Campbell soup can painting. This definition can be >associated with discoverers/inventors -- as the first people who tried >doing something in a completely new way. Dj45rpm@aol.com wrote: >And maybe I missed this thread, but would Warhol be considered art then? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Vixens of Vinyl Date: 23 Mar 2001 17:45:15 -0500 At 01:26 PM 3/23/01 -0800, Chuck wrote: > >Alan or anyone > >Is this a beautiful full sized spread of album covers like "the >Album Cover Art of Soundtracks" ? No it's small. Not paperback but small. The fact that I had so many of them should have made me NOT want it but unfortunately it had the opposite effect. I will get it someday. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Vixens of Vinyl Date: 23 Mar 2001 17:46:45 -0500 At 10:58 PM 3/23/01 +0100, Magnus Sandberg wrote: .> >I want my woman a woman. Please explain this. I'd much rather talk about sex than music. (I can just hear Magnus saying "But they're the same thing, no?") # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Andy Warhol and the Shaggs Date: 23 Mar 2001 14:53:20 -0800 Hello, >Personally I'll take the Shaggs over most of the "chops-over-feeling" folks >anyday, but maybe that's just me... I'll take both, please. Life is too short to settle for half a loaf. >And maybe I missed this thread, but would Warhol be considered art then? I would consider him an artist. But not a very good one. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Milhuisen Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 23 Mar 2001 23:48:44 +0100 As much as I love The Shaggs, I still can't put my finger on what makes them so special. Is it their innocence? Is it the fact that it was actually put out on record? There must be a zillion bands out there that are just as inept as The Shaggs were in their days, but that doesn't motivate me to go searching for bad demos, although there must be some gems on mp3.com. Does anyone have any at hand? alan zweig wrote: > Here's my guilty admission. For years I made no attempt to hear the > Shaggs, assuming that I'd heard enough "so bad it's good" music that I > didn't need to hear them. But boy was I wrong. > I've only heard a few cuts at this point and I don't know how often I would > listen to it but to simply put the Shaggs in that "so bad it's good" > category is a huge underestimation. > Yes that does describe them. They are bad. > But their individual incompetence collided in the most beautiful "happy > accident" I've ever heard. > If like me, you just assume you've heard stuff like the Shaggs, don't > assume any longer. > If it weren't for happy accidents, the world would be a far poorer place. > > I don't necessarily want to rouse the bigshot from his lair, now that he > seems to be sleeping again but it's so funny that the Shaggs were given as > yet another example of his personal hall of shame. > People who love the Shaggs are not celebrating bad musicianship. As a > sidebar they may be acknowledging that good musicians don't necessarily > make good music. But they don't love the Shaggs because they have a > philosophical bent in that direction. > They love them because they heard it and they thought "Wow, what's that?" > Yeah the drummer seems to be playing a different song in a different world. > But somehow that doesn't detract from it and even contributes to the > beauty of it. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Scat art Date: 23 Mar 2001 15:06:15 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >3) Then there are what I call the true artists --- the people who see >the world in new visionary ways that nobody has ever thought of before. >It might be Louis Armstrong with his scat singing Great post. As a sideline comment, Louis Armstrong didn't invent scat singing. Cliff Edwards was doing it before any of the jazz singers picked it up. But Cliff Edwards didn't fit into Ken Burns's political agenda. There were plenty of other truly original things that Armstrong introduced though. He is definitely one of the greatest artists of the 20th century. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 24 Mar 2001 00:14:24 +0100 (CET) citerar Edward Milhuisen : > > As much as I love The Shaggs, I still can't put my finger on what makes > them so special. Is it their innocence? Is it the fact that it was actually > put out on record? There must be a zillion bands out there that are just > as inept as The Shaggs were in their days Are you kidding me? Understand_noting_of_what_you_say_.dotcom. Now I am drunk, (its my birthday today, I speak freely) where is Laura Taylor!?! Meggy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sk=E5l=20(My=20birthday.=2032=20now)?= Date: 24 Mar 2001 00:31:10 +0100 (CET) I have just had an exellent evening describing exotica to my family.=20 They did not get the greatness of it(Dot) and that makes _YOU_ (out=20 there) so solemn(dot) I love _YOU ALL_(dot) Truly I DO(dot) Especially=20 the Marijuana users(dot) My toast tonight goes to YOU, yeah _JUST YOU_ SK=C5L for exotica! Magnus (est un fou.) (hommage to Ensor)(yes, slightly drunk, me admit) -e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g---i-s- http://www.bellybongo.com ----------T-I-K-I---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sk=E5l=20(My=20birthday.=2032=20now)?= Date: 24 Mar 2001 00:31:10 +0100 (CET) I have just had an exellent evening describing exotica to my family.=20 They did not get the greatness of it(Dot) and that makes _YOU_ (out=20 there) so solemn(dot) I love _YOU ALL_(dot) Truly I DO(dot) Especially=20 the Marijuana users(dot) My toast tonight goes to YOU, yeah _JUST YOU_ SK=C5L for exotica! Magnus (est un fou.) (hommage to Ensor)(yes, slightly drunk, me admit) -e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g---i-s- http://www.bellybongo.com ----------T-I-K-I---------- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: (exotica) UFO - 2nd try Date: 23 Mar 2001 18:00:49 -0600 Apologies if this appears on the list twice. The listserver appears to have consumed my first attempt to post it. Matt **** Hey, all this talk about Supermarionation made me forget that my favorite Gerry Anderson show didn't use any scary, smoking, non-PC puppets at all...UFO! In 1970, I had just moved back to California from Korea and was starting to get caught up on all the teevee I'd missed over the previous 6 years. One of the first shows I got hooked on was this live-action SF show. I was particularly enamored of two things; the great theme song and those Moonbase girls in their foil jumpsuits and purple Dynel wigs. The show's theme is a particularly snazzy spyjazz confection that features one of my favorite organ hooks of all time. Have a listen here: http://ufo.simplenet.com/music/index.html There's also a link chock full o' Barry Gray Mp3's from other Anderson series: http://ufo.simplenet.com/barry/index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) smoking and otherness Date: 23 Mar 2001 16:36:33 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of alan zweig > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:15 AM > And he said "I figured out that over the years I'd smoked about 400 > thousand cigarettes. Whatever there is to get out of cigarettes, if I > hadn't gotten it by 400 thousand, I figured I'd never get it". > That helped me quit. Hey Alan, I think you should check this book out: Richard Klein's "Cigarettes Are Sublime." I took his "Philosophy of Money" class a few years ago and really enjoyed it. His book is a cultural history of smoking, and takes you through Sartre, Hemingway, Mailer, Kant, Baudelaire, Cocteau. Klein is a pretty obsessive fella as well -- kind of like the way some people are obsessed about vinyl, if you know what I mean. At one point he talks about Freud's pleasure principle, and how the satisfaction of desire results in destroying that desire, i.e. gratification. "Cigarettes, however, defy that economy of pleasure: they do not satisfy desire, they exasperate it. The more one yields to the excitation of smoking, the more deliciously, voluptuously, cruelly, and sweetly it awakens desire -- it inflames what it presumes to extinguish. The perversity of this excitation consists in the fact that it never sleeps and is never extinguished..." God, almost makes you want to smoke. > I convinced myself instead to buy this Taschen book of cheesecake nudes. Was this "The Great American Pin-Up?" I really want that book. Those Elvgren drawings look fantastic. > (As > if anyone's > still reading this utterly offtopic post...) I am. Later, Ben np: dusty springfield, "dusty in memphis" [does anyone else but me think "i can't make it alone" is one of the most genuinely heartbreaking songs ever?] http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: (exotica) UFO Date: 23 Mar 2001 17:35:51 -0600 Hey, all this talk about Supermarionation made me forget that my favorite Gerry Anderson show didn't use any scary, smoking, non-PC puppets at all...UFO! In 1970, I had just moved back to California from Korea and was starting to get caught up on all the teevee I'd missed over the previous 6 years. One of the first shows I got hooked on was this live-action SF show. I was particularly enamored of two things; the great theme song and those Moonbase girls in their foil jumpsuits and purple Dynel wigs. The show's theme is a particularly snazzy spyjazz confection that features one of my favorite organ hooks of all time. Have a listen here: http://ufo.simplenet.com/music/index.html There's also a link chock full o' Barry Gray Mp3's from other Anderson series: http://ufo.simplenet.com/barry/index.html -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Vixens of Vinyl Date: 23 Mar 2001 16:45:38 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > At 01:26 PM 3/23/01 -0800, Chuck wrote: > > > >Alan or anyone > > > >Is this a beautiful full sized spread of album covers like "the > >Album Cover Art of Soundtracks" ? You know, I asked about this a while back, so I'll ask again: The cover (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0811831345.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) is from a Ferrante and Teicher album, correct? Later, Ben np: subterfuge, "i do birds" [damn good indiepop album] http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 23 Mar 2001 16:49:03 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Edward Milhuisen > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 2:49 PM > as inept as The Shaggs were in their days, but that doesn't motivate me > to go searching for bad demos, although there must be some gems on > mp3.com. Does anyone have any at hand? Here you go: http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/44/the_worst_of_the_worst_ver.html Later, Ben np: subterfuge, "i do birds" http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:=20(exotica)=20Sk=E5l=20(My=20birthday.=2032=20now)?= Date: 24 Mar 2001 02:08:02 +0100 (CET) citerar tikiman : > SK=C5L MAGNUS... HAPPY #32!... BURNING A FAT HAWAIIAN > BLUNT TO CELEBRATE! WITH WARM ALOHA FROM THE DON TIKI > CREWE... FLUID FLOYD/TABOO RECORDS/HONOLULU/HAWAII I will allways remain your number 1 fan! I love you so much! Mr Floyd. Mr Martin Denny, Mr Arthur Lyman... YOU HAVE MADE MY LIFE A=20 BEAUTIFUL one. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!!! Floyd, I hope, You, when you have time, leave these messages to these=20 shining *A*R*T*I*S*T*S*. They deserve all credit for turning a miserable soul into a life of=20 light. Magnus, VERY... Very... drunk... now.... Time to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeep... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Ludwig van Shags' Symphony No. 3 in D Major Date: 23 Mar 2001 17:57:34 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:36:22 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs > >I don't necessarily want to rouse the bigshot from his lair, now that he >seems to be sleeping again ZZZzzzzzzzzzz... >Then again, I don't like classical music. That roused me! We're put on this earth for a limited amount of time. You've spent part of this precious resource listening to complete crap, but you don't don't choose to listen to the accumulated music of hundreds of years of our culture! All I can say is, I hope you're young, so you have plenty of time to wise up! > They love them because they heard it and they thought "Wow, what's > that?" Kind of like gawking at a particularly bloody accident on the side of the road, eh? See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pearmania@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: KPM releases Date: 23 Mar 2001 21:09:14 EST In a message dated 3/23/01 7:34:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time, m.sandberg@telia.com writes: << ONE THING I WILL NEVER forgive myself for, seeing about 25 library LPs in mint condition at a fleamarket three years ago, looking at the cover of "Outer space and science music" or something like that, Drawn covers... Scientific looking... all were similar in style. But no, that was not enough for me, I wanted Esquivel, or Denny. $1 each, and I bought NONE!I try to tell myself: they came from 1975 to 80. No cool electronic sounds at that time, too late". Is it possible to identfy these series? Was it a great mistake? Magnus >> Hopefully it wasn't the Montparnasse series. Can you say "DOH" like Homer Simpson? Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Ironic Enjoyment Date: 23 Mar 2001 18:29:37 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:34:55 >From: "Daniel Shiman" >Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs > >However, novelty value I think is the limit ultimately of many hipsters' >ironic enjoyment of the Shaggs. I don't think it's even ironic. I think there is a strong strain in the "lounge" movement to sneeringly champion really bad music. It's not based on enjoyment. Listening to the Shaggs is about as enjoyable as eating dirt... These people go after the kitsch stuff so they can feel superior and look down their nose on the music they "ironically enjoy". They're just playing the role of a "connoiseur of rubbish". The music is irrelevant to the act. I was a fan of percussion and exotica records before the "fez and martini crowd" picked up on it. When the Re:Search books came out, I was puzzled because some of the people profiled in there were record collectors like me, but others seemed to be art school dropouts talking about totally worthless stuff. I had great hopes for the CD re-releases. It was wonderful getting nice clean copies of Martin Denny and Les Baxter songs. But too many of the compilations seemed to consist of only the absolute *weirdest* ping pong, cow bell and banging trash can lid cuts. The liner notes listed cocktail recipes instead of info on the musicians. It got to the point where I felt like I was taking a chance every time I bought a CD of the style of music I knew I liked. Some people see "lounge" music as a great genre of music, others just see it as a novelty. I think that the focus on novelty is responsible for the downturn in interest in exotica music over the past year or two. People just get their fill of the Shaggs and move on to something else. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: KPM releases Date: 24 Mar 2001 03:27:11 +0100 (CET) > > Hopefully it wasn't the Montparnasse series. Can you say "DOH" like=20 Homer > Simpson? > > Sean I spell it N=E4=E4=E4=E4=E4=E4=E4h! That is an A with two dots over it! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) Vixens of Vinyl Date: 23 Mar 2001 21:31:10 -0500 on 3/23/01 7:45 PM, Benito Vergara at bvergara@sfsu.edu wrote: > The cover (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0811831345.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) is > from a Ferrante and Teicher album, correct? yes it is, although I can't think of the title of it offhand br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Classical Snobbery Date: 23 Mar 2001 18:42:44 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:18:05 -0500 >From: Clayton Black >Subject: Re:(exotica)the Shaggs > >Much of my complaint with classical music has nothing to do >with the music itself but with the people who see it as the >only acceptable medium of musical expression or who commit >their tastes to it because it is "safe"--everybody agrees that >it's "high" culture, and plenty of people are sufficiently >insecure about their own tastes that they figure no one will >argue with them if they wax eloquent about Beethoven. I just got through with my own rant saying the exact same thing about people who wax rhapsodic about the artistic importance of the Shaggs! The one advantage that classical music has is time. Most of the totally worthless dreck has fallen out of circulation in the hundreds of years of changes in repetoire. The percentage of good to bad is much higher than in current music where the good, the bad and the ugly all exist on the same level. >Like just about anything, I've found, classical music becomes more >interesting the more you know about it I agree with you totally. There's good and bad in every type of music... classical, jazz, country, big band, etc... Most of the time though, when people say things like "I don't like country music" or "Opera is boring" all they are saying is that they are totally ignorant on that particular subject. The music is what matters. You can't be a passive listener. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) re: classical music Date: 24 Mar 2001 10:31:00 +0800 > I do like a lot of classical music, sometimes, but I'm glad that you wrote > this, Alan. Much of my complaint with classical music has nothing to do > with the music itself but with the people who see it as the only acceptable > medium of musical expression or who commit their tastes to it because it is > "safe"--everybody agrees that it's "high" culture, and plenty of people are > sufficiently insecure about their own tastes that they figure no one will > argue with them if they wax eloquent about Beethoven. There's an awful lot > of this in academe. People talk as though classical music is the only music > that is suitably intellectual for their tastes. my brother was a piano performance major and he complained about this same thing. his thought was that if you were studying music you should be interested in music not just this high brow stuff. be it jazz, hip hop or what have you. one day he wrote to me all excited because he had actually met someone who dug donna summer. and wasn't ashamed to like both. i used to have a roomate here in taiwan who was a music major, she grew up going to music schools and when she was little all she listened to was classical music. when she first heard pop music she thought it was terrible. later she came to appreciate it(well, some of it). she used to tell me that in taiwan most people who listen to classical music or jazz - or a lot who do, do so to show they are cultured or sophisticated. it is almost more for the perception of what this music represents than the music itself. for myself, i prefer to see classical music performed live. though i rarely do that anymore. i do have some classical music cds, but i rarely put them on. i just don't seem to be in the mood for them most of the time. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) classical music Date: 24 Mar 2001 03:50:51 +0100 (CET) -e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g---i-s- ----------T-I-K-I---------- Except Michael Caine and Richard Pryor. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Risser Family" Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical Snobbery Date: 23 Mar 2001 21:56:31 -0500 > The one advantage that classical music has is time. Most of the > totally worthless dreck has fallen out of circulation in the > hundreds of years of changes in repetoire. The percentage of > good to bad is much higher than in current music where the > good, the bad and the ugly all exist on the same level. Sorry. I think Haydn and Vivaldi are really boring. Mozart was nice and Beethoven was great. So, whatever. Classical music is just like most other pop music styles: some people are fashionable and some aren't, with a few one hit wonders and the true greats rising to the top. I listen to all music and judge it based on whether I like it or not, which is the only criteria that's important to me. Peter # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Philip Jackson Subject: Re: (exotica)the Shaggs Date: 24 Mar 2001 14:15:12 +1100 on 24/3/01 8:03 AM, Magnus Sandberg at m.sandberg@telia.com wrote: > My little rant is this: The best classical music I have ever heard > comes from an ordinary housewife in england 1970 who recieved notes > from the composers themselves several hundred years after they died. > > I wrote about this lady a month ago, no replies except for Mo, who > questioned the quality of the music. I saw a TV show about this lady some time ago but unfortunately I can't recall the "quality' of the music. On a related note do you know the Alice Coltrane album "Lord of Lords" inspired by visitations from Stravinsky and John Coltrane. A very beautiful and spiritual record. Philip -- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jim gerwitz" Subject: (exotica) smoking and otherness Date: 23 Mar 2001 19:55:30 -0800 The prolific alan wrote: FotB is classic camp (a word with many interpretations, like exotica), and Joan tosses off a perfect line to her nosy neighbors: "I'd like to ask you to stay and have a drink, but I'm afraid you might accept." I bought Joan's beach bum boyfriend Jeff Chandler's lp on eBay just for the cool cover where he's smoking. Seem's everbody smoked in the 50's except Jack Lalanne. If you liked FotB watch for 1954's "Wicked Woman" on TCM. Percy Helton has a big role (for him) as a horndog tailor. Most people won't know his name, but will recognize the face and the hoarse whispery voice. Title song "Wicked Woman" (sung by Herb Jeffries) and her favorite jukebox song "One Night in Acapulco" are credited to Joe Mullendore, who dropped the "Joe" moniker a decade later in his music credits for Lost in Space and Honey West. Jb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Ironic Enjoyment Date: 23 Mar 2001 23:04:27 -0500 At 06:29 PM 3/23/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: >You've spent part of this precious resource listening to complete >crap, but you don't don't choose to listen to the accumulated >music of hundreds of years of our culture! All I can say is, >I hope you're young, so you have plenty of time to wise up! Then he wrote: > I think there is a strong strain >in the "lounge" movement to sneeringly champion really bad music. >It's not based on enjoyment. Listening to the Shaggs is about as >enjoyable as eating dirt... And I say "Shut up" unless you can argue like a gentleman. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) smoking and otherness Date: 23 Mar 2001 23:12:03 -0500 At 07:55 PM 3/23/01 -0800, jim gerwitz wrote: > >The prolific alan wrote: Is that a veiled criticism? AZ (the paranoid) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkg@calle22.com Subject: (exotica) Shaggs and more Date: 23 Mar 2001 20:38:12 -0800 Hi there, I knew eventually the thread of arts vs. craft would lead us to The Shaggs. That would be the example I would use to show that you don't have to be an 'artist' (in the elitist sense of the world) to do mind opening stuff (or art or whatever you want to call it). But then again I knew that Steven would probably laugh at someone saying that the Shaggs might be the only reason mankind was put on earth (which might be the case). I have always hated virtuoso players. There is nothing there but ego, ego, ego. They want to be looked at, they want to be adored, they want to be imitated... it's not enough to express themselves, they want all the other stuff. And that's why I think The Shaggs are so great: no ego, no need to please the masses, just "The Shaggs own thing". In part that is why I think we are living in such a great time. Now you don't need to develop your chops over 20 years to be able to do music. That might sound like a nightmarish scenario to Steven but for me is just heaven. I can imagine paradise as a place where people do the things they want to do just because of themselves, not to impress or to 'get chicks' or become famous, or any of those silly reasons that people have in their heads while doing things. I had some more to say (about Wenders and how Wings of desire is the beginning of the end for him) but I'll leave that for later. And since there are so much comic lovers here I have to recommend Hicksville, it's a comic book by Dylan Horrock, a New Zelander artist. It's simple and pretty and smart and a complete hommage to comics and why people like them. It's not that polished so people who want their comic drawings perfectly neat might be disappointed. But for those who prefer a little piece of truth over the polish earned by years of 'working your chops'... well it is great. It's so good I begun to read it and stopped after a couple of chapters. Because I wanted it to last for ever. But I finished up reading it, and liking it a lot. Oh... and about weird movies... my favorite movie is a weird one: Celine et Julie vont en bateau. Three hours of narrative loopholes, directed by New Wave maestro Jacques Rivette. It's not weird in the same vein as Jodorowski (there are no midgets or mutilated actors), but the structure is so strange I just couldn't stop grinning all the way (and it lasts for more than 3 hours). It's a movie I would compare to The Shaggs, it so different from everything else that you have no idea where it's going to turn next. Bye, Manuel # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Manuel Kalmanovitz Subject: (exotica) Shaggs and more Date: 23 Mar 2001 23:38:41 -0500 Hi there, I knew eventually the thread of arts vs. craft would lead us to The Shaggs. That would be the example I would use to show that you don't have to be an 'artist' (in the elitist sense of the world) to do mind opening stuff (or art or whatever you want to call it). But then again I knew that Steven would probably laugh at someone saying that the Shaggs might be the only reason mankind was put on earth (which might be the case). I have always hated virtuoso players. There is nothing there but ego, ego, ego. They want to be looked at, they want to be adored, they want to be imitated... it's not enough to express themselves, they want all the other stuff. And that's why I think The Shaggs are so great: no ego, no need to please the masses, just "The Shaggs own thing". In part that is why I think we are living in such a great time. Now you don't need to develop your chops over 20 years to be able to do music. That might sound like a nightmarish scenario to Steven but for me is just heaven. I can imagine paradise as a place where people do the things they want to do just because of themselves, not to impress or to 'get chicks' or become famous, or any of those silly reasons that people have in their heads while doing things. I had some more to say (about Wenders and how Wings of desire is the beginning of the end for him) but I'll leave that for later. And since there are so much comic lovers here I have to recommend Hicksville, it's a comic book by Dylan Horrock, a New Zelander artist. It's simple and pretty and smart and a complete hommage to comics and why people like them. It's not that polished so people who want their comic drawings perfectly neat might be disappointed. But for those who prefer a little piece of truth over the polish earned by years of 'working your chops'... well it is great. It's so good I begun to read it and stopped after a couple of chapters. Because I wanted it to last for ever. But I finished up reading it, and liking it a lot. Oh... and about weird movies... my favorite movie is a weird one: Celine et Julie vont en bateau. Three hours of narrative loopholes, directed by New Wave maestro Jacques Rivette. It's not weir in the same vein as Jodorowski (there are no midgets or mutilated actors), but the structure is so strange I just couldn't stop grinning all the way (and it lasts for more than 3 hours). Bye, Manuel P.S Sorry if you receive this email twice I've been having trouble with my mail server and I'm not sure if it already sent this one out. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Milhuisen Subject: Re: (exotica) Vixens of Vinyl Date: 24 Mar 2001 07:17:51 +0100 Ferrante & Teicher - Our Golden Favorites - United Artists Records Chopsticks (Bossa Nouveau) / The Impossible Dream (The Quest) (From the Musical "Man of La Mancha") / Dominique / Yellowbird / Theme from Grieg's Piano Concerto - Eddie's Tune / Malaguena / A Walk in the Black Forest / Temptation / I'm Always Chasing Rainbows / Born Free (from the film "Born Free") / Alley Cat / Chopin's Polonaise Nice record , there's even some Classical tunes that Alan would enjoy. "Br. Cleve" wrote: > on 3/23/01 7:45 PM, Benito Vergara at bvergara@sfsu.edu wrote: > > > > The cover (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0811831345.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) is > > from a Ferrante and Teicher album, correct? > > yes it is, although I can't think of the title of it offhand > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Milhuisen Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical Snobbery Date: 24 Mar 2001 07:24:36 +0100 bigshot wrote: > >Like just about anything, I've found, classical music becomes more > >interesting the more you know about it > > I agree with you totally. There's good and bad in every type > of music... classical, jazz, country, big band, etc... Most of > the time though, when people say things like "I don't like > country music" or "Opera is boring" all they are saying is > that they are totally ignorant on that particular subject. you forgot to mention collage music # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Milhuisen Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs and more Date: 24 Mar 2001 07:41:22 +0100 mkg@calle22.com wrote: > And since there are so much comic lovers here I have noticed this among my friends. Why is exotica so popular among graphic artists? Is it the nostalgia for the time they started reading comix? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) very lucky morning Date: 24 Mar 2001 11:33:57 +0100 This happened to me this morning; it was like a dream sequence from a record collector's movie: I was going to a record trade market to find an extremely rare record... The thing is, I own this one already, it's the RAH Band's "Crunch & Beyond", but a friend of mine, Andreas, had been talking into me to buy it from me for almost a year now, constantly increasing his offers. The other week he arrived at 50.-DM, which is 23$ and he urged me to sell it to him, because he is going to DJ by the end of next week and badly wanted to have this. So I gave it another try and listened to my "Crunch & Beyond" again, only to find that I liked each and every track on it better than ever. I just didn't want to sell it. I called some used record shops, but nobody had it. So I decided to go to this record fair, which is only taking place every 2 months or so. I was very early, most dealers were just opening their stands. My hopes to find "Crunch & Beyond" were not very high. I went to the first stand that was in my way, and went through the first box of records, and, I'm not kidding: the sixth or seventh record was "Crunch & Beyond"!!! I couldn't believe my eyes! And it was prized for only 7.- Marks! I had paid for my copy 25.-DM last year. I was so excited, I thought I was dreaming. So I went to the guy and said "I want this one". And he wanted only 5.- Marks from me! It was unbelievable! The story is not over yet. I went to the next stand, and - well, I make it short this time: I found "Crunch & Beyond" again, this time for 12.-Marks. This was so f.....g unlikely! Of course I wanted to buy it once more, the only problem was, that there was nobody at that stand to sell it to me; apparently they had gone for a coffee or something, so I decided to take the album and come back later to buy it, as I was afraid that someone else would buy it meanwhile. OK, I spent an hour or so, buying this and that, then I went back to the stand, or better: to the place where the stand WAS. The entire stand was gone and nobody knew whose it had been! It was still kind of early, why the hell had they left? Well... here I was with my RAH Band album and no way to find out to whom I owed 12.-DM. I really didn't mean to steal a record, but as it looked I had no chance NOT to. Jeesh, what a pity ;-) So I went home, singing loudly along and banging on the stearing wheel of my car to the beat of Frankie Laine's "Wanted Man"... Magnus, something had been completely going wrong with your voodoo punishment against me! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Andy Warhol and the Shaggs Date: 24 Mar 2001 12:13:11 +0100 bigshot schrieb: > >And maybe I missed this thread, but would Warhol be considered art then? > > I would consider him an artist. But not a very good one. I know why: Because Warhol sort of invented this "bad is good" concept; that's what Pop Art is all about. Subsequently Warhol was one of the losers of the art market collapse of the late 80s. Especially the prices of his silk screen prints went down remarkably. Still Pop Art was the one direction in the art of the second part of the 20th century, that filled me with the most hope and has influenced the best things in our present culture. Is that a contradiction? Not if you see art in a context. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 24 Mar 2001 12:02:36 +0100 Edward Milhuisen schrieb: > As much as I love The Shaggs, I still can't put my finger on what makes > them so special. Is it their innocence? Is it the fact that it was actually > put out on record? There must be a zillion bands out there that are just > as inept as The Shaggs I think it was some kind of historic coincidence. When the idea of "incredibly strange music" was invented, the Shaggs were one of the first examples and everybody got to know them. It could have been any other record of that kind as well. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sk=E5l?= (My birthday. 32 now) Date: 24 Mar 2001 12:15:55 +0100 Happy birthday Magnus. May the alcohol.... uh, nevermind! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical Snobbery Date: 24 Mar 2001 12:21:02 +0100 bigshot schrieb: > The one advantage that classical music has is time. Most of the > totally worthless dreck has fallen out of circulation in the > hundreds of years of changes in repetoire. this statement is a total contradiction to what you said about Bach. Apparently he was down and out for 200 years, considered as the dry calculating mathematics musician, and then rediscovered and now we think he's the greatest. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pearmania@aol.com Subject: (exotica) classical music Date: 24 Mar 2001 08:12:27 EST I admit to have been fired up by Clayton's rant as I harbor many of the same feelings when it comes to 18th and 19th century classical music especially. However, some 20th-century classical music could be called the very roots of exotica. Listen to the wordless choirs in Debussy's Sirens or Ravel's Daphnis et Chloe. I think Les Baxter got a few ideas from the impressionists. We can't ignore the importance of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. Ritual of the Savage doesn't sound much like it, but the idea is the same. Several exotica records carry the "Ritual" concept of Stravinsky (The Rites of Diablo, Rites of the Pagan, etc.) You can hear Stravinsky and Shostakovich all over Baxter's Goliath and the Barbarians. His Cry of the Banshee is reminiscent of Bartok and Shostakovich at times, too. Sean # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Graphic Arts and Exotica Date: 24 Mar 2001 08:57:47 -0600 Edward Milhuisen wrote: > I have noticed this among my friends. > Why is exotica so popular among graphic artists? Because the imagery that goes with exotica is so vivid and clever; bold designs, vibrant colors, dramatic motifs, cool fonts. What illustrator wouldn't love it? > Is it the nostalgia for the time they started reading comix? Well, I'm not really old enough to be nostalgic about exotica. I like comics *because* I'm a graphic artist and illustrator...they fit into my artistic sensibilities. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) very lucky morning Date: 24 Mar 2001 17:48:18 +0100 (CET) citerar Moritz R : > Magnus, something had been completely going wrong with your voodoo > punishment against me! It is probably like you wrote earlier. The voodoo struck back at me. Today I feel really lousy. No more alcohol for me. Never. We dont mix anymore. Nice story about the record, but... are you sure it was not just a dream? Why did you need two copies? I have only bought a second copy of an LP once in my life. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs & other threads Date: 24 Mar 2001 11:50:09 -0500 I've been trying to stay out of all this, but I guess I'm doomed to rant. Some of you may recall that I don't buy the good/bad dichotomy. Art is far too subjective and fluid for such a simplistic and judgemental dichotomy. The only realistic conclusions we can make are our individual likes/dislikes (and we should always remember to keep challenging our own tastes). I don't buy everything the RE/Search people say, but on the cover of their Incredibly Strange Films book, they did pick a great Picasso quote: "The chief enemy of creativity is 'good' taste." (Though I would add that over-reliance on 'bad' taste is equally debilitating.) As for the "so bad it's good" philosophy, well, obviously I disagree with the very premise. I also see it as an unfortunate way of weaseling out of genuinely supporting work that you like. If you like something, you are finding good (in another sense) in it -- just embrace it and enjoy it. And if someone calls it stupid (implying you are also stupid), don't protect yourself with irony -- point out that just as they are entitled to their opinion, you are entitled to yours. And if they keep hassling you, wack 'em with a tire iron. So hey, I happen to like wacky percussion albums. With no ironic quotes around "like". Not because they're good, or bad or badly good, or any such ironic variation. They're just fun. And, no surprise here, I like the Shaggs. Their guileless sincerity touches me. Their technique does not conform to music school standards, indeed. But the world of music is a whole lot wider than European obedience to orderly bar lines and officially sanctioned chromatic scales (read some John Cage for more on the topic). To propose a different way to think about the Shaggs: think of their music as ethnic music from a very tiny (family-sized) culture. If they came from a tiny South Pacific island and sang in an unknown language, you'd probably think they were charming. Geeze, denigrating the Shaggs is like kicking a puppy. This does not mean I also can't enjoy "correct" music. There's no reason not to draw enjoyment and enlightenment from music made with all sorts of methods, styles and intentions. There are enough stupid divisions in the world without gashing them into the universe of sound as well. Skipping topics to the belief that the best classical music is magically filtered to the top merely by the passage of time... I think not. Who can say what wonderful music may have been lost forever simply because the artist never received any attention at the time? It's very easy for bits of paper to disappear, especially if no one but the artist cared about them in the first place (especially at a time when burning some paper may be the only thing keeping you from freezing to death on a winter's night). Or think of the musicians who may have played amazing things, but never wrote them down. Who knows what may have been lost? You may say, "But it DOES work -- Bach was rediscovered!" To which I reply, "Yes, Bach was lucky -- and he had a long-term gig which set up some notoriety for him -- but what about the others who weren't so lucky?" I suppose it's a futile argument though -- one can't prove a negativity (or words to that effect). But the belief that all of the most deserving works (by whose standards and at what point in time?) will magically be placed by fate where the right person will find them seems unlikely to me. From dirt we came, and to dirt we shall return, m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Otto Subject: (exotica) Tiki Ti 40th anniversary Date: 24 Mar 2001 00:11:36 -0800 4/28 starting at 4 pm I'll be there sometime that night cheers Otto # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) very lucky morning Date: 24 Mar 2001 22:51:17 +0100 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > No more alcohol for me. Never. We dont mix anymore. as I always said: alkohol is one of the hardest drugs. But isn't a Scandinavian without alcohol like a Rasta without Reggae? > Nice story about the record, but... are you sure it was not just a dream? maybe it was a dream. but how did all these records come here? > Why did you need two copies? would you not buy any, say, M.D. Exotica for 2$? like for a friend, or for sale? I bought 10 Bimbo Jets and 15 Whipped Creams, when I could get them for one buck each. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 24 Mar 2001 17:09:14 -0500 At 12:02 PM 3/24/01 +0100, Moritz R wrote: >I think it was some kind of historic coincidence. When the idea of "incredibly strange music" was invented, the Shaggs were one of the first examples and everybody got to know them. It could have been any other record of that kind as well. I'm not sure what you're saying. But if you're saying that people latched onto the Shaggs simply because they were looking for something that happened to embody -or represent - the term "incredibly strange", I think that's an incredibly strange theory. There are "bad" reasons to like every kind of music. Some people like classical music because it's nice in the background and no one's shouting. But what you seem to be doing is judging the music by the worst reasons some imaginary people might have had for liking it.. It's just like Stephen's rant about hipsters liking lounge music. Maybe there are some people who like the same music as I like but for "bad reasons". That doesn't mean that my reasons are bad or that my appreciation isn't genuine. I guess you can't imagine someone liking the Shaggs just because they do. For the same reason anyone loves any music. For the same inexpressible reason you love something that I don't love. But I think they do. And you can't simply dismiss their reasons for loving the music as "jumping on a bandwagon". I didn't hear the Shaggs until recently. And when I did, I wasn't looking for something to justify a term or reinforce some theory about music. I can't tell you why I loved what I heard. But it's not a surprise to find out that great rock n roll can be played by less than stellar musicians. And it's not a surprise to find out that happy accidents do occur. And I'm not surprised that I heard something I loved but can't explain it. That happens all the time. It couldn't haven't been JUST any incredibly strange record, whatever that means. And it couldn't have been just any inept band. It was the Shaggs because it's simply the best thing of its kind I've ever heard. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour Date: 24 Mar 2001 16:44:16 -0600 On this week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast, you'll find cool bossa grooves by Walter Wanderley, Nicola Conte and Piero Piccioni. Also, the Now Sounds of the 60s and 70s from The Corporation and TV's "Love, American Style"; exotica from the very rare "Africa Speaks, America Answers" (see the album cover in our gallery!), Marty Wilson's "Jun'gala" and Axel Stordahl's "Jasmine and Jade". In addition, there's crime jazz by Leith Stevens, Henry Mancini and Warren Barker; Johnny Gunn and Don Ralke on "Introspection IV" (yes, I finally found a copy); Les Baxter, Bas Sheva and "The Passions"; plus new tunes by Dusty Trails and Seksu Roba. To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour anytime on the web, just visit: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html As always, comments and requests are welcome. Darrell Brogdon The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Giovanni Berti" Subject: (exotica) Nacar cd-r's Date: 25 Mar 2001 01:00:18 +0000 A couple of fellow listers have recently reported to me that some cd's I recently burned on Nacar cd-r's for private trades weren't audible. If you evere come across this (cheap) brand of cd's, be sure to skip them! (Dom, better check out the Nacars I sent you). Ciao Gionni # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dlsmay@aol.com Subject: (exotica) The Danielson Famile Date: 24 Mar 2001 19:26:47 EST Speaking of The Shaggs, who's heard The Danielson Famile? The SF Bay Guardian just wrote them up and I'm tempted to go pick them up. From what I can tell, The Danielson Famile is a project centered around Daniel Smith, an art major graduate from Rutgers. He's also an evangelical Christian (as are the siblings and friends that comprise his group), with an affection for the Pixies and the Stooges. The music has lots of stops and starts and odd little choruses, and lyrical explores his faith. Various descriptions compare them to The Pixies, Captain Beefheart as interpreted by The Partridge Family and The Shaggs. If you Google up their website you can see them all in their stage outfits - nurses uniforms. --David # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) The Danielson Famile Date: 24 Mar 2001 20:10:58 -0500 At 07:26 PM 3/24/01 EST, Dlsmay@aol.com wrote: > >Speaking of The Shaggs, who's heard The Danielson Famile? . Various >descriptions compare them to The Pixies, Captain Beefheart as interpreted by >The Partridge Family and The Shaggs. . I just bought and subsequently sold a CD of theirs. I'm not sure I see the comparison to the Shaggs but they did sound a lot like the Pixies to me. The Pixies singing gospel in unison. Obviously I didn't like it much. At most it was interesting and I don't make room for the merely interesting anymore. I don't think I've ever heard anything that compares to the Shaggs although obviously they sound a bit like a lot of lo-fi "alternative" rock out there. What they don't remind me of is any of the "inept" stuff that I occasionally come across and even enjoy on some level. I have a bunch of tunes on CDR by Canadian country "artists" who had no business making records. But the worst you could say about most of the stuff is that it's mediocre. I like it because I like country music and even mediocre country. There is one guy - Len Fairchuck - who is especially awful. When I sent a tape of this kind of stuff to Irwin Chusid, the Fairchuck stuff was the only thing that really qualified as "outside music" to him. But still I wouldn't compare it to the Shaggs. There's lots of different ways to be inept and incompetent. But you can never be SO inept that you become good. You can only be good in spite of your ineptness. I think m.ace's idea is best, that we think of the Shaggs as belonging to some small tribe with an entirely different culture. They literally and figuratively played to a different drummer. (Some would say an "indifferent" drummer.) But there was genius in them. And yes I really believe that. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: Re: (exotica) The Danielson Famile Date: 24 Mar 2001 20:18:49 -0500 > Speaking of The Shaggs, who's heard The Danielson Famile? I'm a big fan of the Danielson Family. I first saw them a few years back as an opening act for ? and the Mysterians. After an initial sense of bewilderness when they first started playing, I ended up enjoying them much more than the garage rock Mysterians. This may seem odd, but the Danielsons reminded me of the result one would get if you crossed the Partridge Family with the Sun Ra arkestra. I saw them perform live a second time less than two weeks ago. There were bout 100 people in the audience (on a Monday rainy night) and it was perhaps the quietest crowd I've ever been in. Noone was talking during their performance - everyone was just listening attentively to the music, a rare moment of respect that one rarely finds in rock clubs. Even the bartender was quiet - no tinkling of glasses or dumping of ice in the background at all. One reason I like them is that they use some unique instruments - the metal glockenspiel, toy pianos, banjos, two full drum sets, etc. A bigger reason why I enjoy their music is that at certain times, they establish a groove that is simply amazing (which is why I compared them with Sun Ra) If you're interested in buying one of their CDs, my first recommendation would be 'Tri-Danielson Omega', with the songs 'Don't You be the Judge' and 'Deeper than the Gov't' Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) =?iso-8859-1?B?U2vlbA==?= (My birthday. 32 now) Date: 24 Mar 2001 21:05:26 -0800 Magnus wrote: Magnus, VERY... Very... drunk... now.... Time to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeep... Magnus wrote: Magnus, VERY... Very... drunk... now.... Time to sleeeeeeeeeeeeeep... HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DEAREST MAGNUS, YOU ARE SPECIAL TO US.......SLEEP TIGHT. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Ironic Enjoyment Date: 25 Mar 2001 03:24:30 EST In a message dated 3/23/1 9:22:56 PM, bigshot@spumco.com wrote: >I think that the focus on novelty >is responsible for the downturn in interest in exotica music >over the past year or two. Don't forget the promulgation of "swing" music...the problem with the lounge movement was that nobody could get a handle on it. Was it SABPM? Exotica? Latin? Bossa? Soundtracks? Now Sound? You really had to be a genre freak to dig the entirety of it...Sadly, too few take the time to figure out what they are listening to....JB/DJing for 20-plus years. Still amazed at the non-response of most people to any music . As I DJ'd last night I really noticed it yet again # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 25 Mar 2001 03:26:33 EST In a message dated 3/24/01 3:25:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, moritz@derplan.com writes: << > As much as I love The Shaggs, I still can't put my finger on what makes > them so special. Is it their innocence? Is it the fact that it was actually > put out on record? There must be a zillion bands out there that are just > as inept as The Shaggs >> Well, I don't think I can really put into words just WHY I love the Shaggs, but ultimately the beauty of the Shaggs is that, in ever way that "counts" (at least to some people on this list) what they do shouldn't work, but goddamn it it DOES!!!!! Which is more than you can say about many an inept or nowhere-near-inept artist/band....... F*ck irony let's dance, -DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Graphic Arts and Exotica Date: 25 Mar 2001 03:39:47 EST In a message dated 3/24/1 10:00:39 AM, mjmarch@charter.net wrote: >Because the imagery that goes with exotica is so vivid and clever; bold >designs, vibrant colors, dramatic motifs, cool fonts. What illustrator wouldn't >love it? Just ask the illustrators who draw for "Sponge Bob Square Pants" on Nickelodeon..JB/got 2 kids who love cartoonz # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: (exotica) FW: Barry de Vorzon Date: 25 Mar 2001 13:16:47 +0200 I got the message below from a guy named Xander. If anyone can help him, please mail him at xander@neuronio.pt Here's his question: I´m looking for some information about Barry Devorzon. This arranger/composer wrote (not 100 % sure) the Theme from SWAT, and did some work with James Brown (OST Black Caesar). Anyone that knows more about this guy? Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Nacar cd-r's Date: 25 Mar 2001 08:45:09 EST In a message dated 3/24/01 3:47:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, giovanni@pirulazio.interim.it writes: << A couple of fellow listers have recently reported to me that some cd's I recently burned on Nacar cd-r's for private trades weren't audible. If you evere come across this (cheap) brand of cd's, be sure to skip them! (Dom, better check out the Nacars I sent you). Ciao Gionni >> there does not seem to be a rhyme or reason to any of the cheaper CDs. i use some that are great then a batch is bad (rarely). i have found that burning at a slower speed usually fixes the problem (2X instead of 4X) Anyone had similar experiences??? TB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Nacar cd-r's Date: 25 Mar 2001 19:54:18 +0100 My experience is that it depends more on the CD players than the CD brand. Some CD players won't play CD-R's at all (especially the portable ones), some only the A brands. I have good experience burning at 8X, but then I mostly buy A brands. We're talking like US$ 0.50 price difference, $1 max, so what's the point buying cheaper ones anyway? Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote: > there does not seem to be a rhyme or reason to any of the cheaper CDs. i use > some that are great then a batch is bad (rarely). i have found that burning > at a slower speed usually fixes the problem (2X instead of 4X) > > Anyone had similar experiences??? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 25 Mar 2001 21:41:28 +0200 the question was not, why anbody would love the Shaggs, but why they became so incredibly well-known from a certain point in history. And I believe this point in history was sometime in the mid-eighties, not in the 60s, and it had something to do with their representation in this book "Inredible Strange Music", which - by the way - helped a lot of other musicians to get some new attention and make a comeback, f.i. Esquivel. Is that a strange theory? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) the shaggs Date: 25 Mar 2001 11:40:24 -0800 I think the thing that separates the Shaggs from other less capable musicians is sincerity. The Shaggs didn't get recorded because they were trying to score a record deal or become rock stars, but because their dad thought they were great. For every kind of record by people like the Shaggs, or Kali Bahlu, or Angelique the "singing model" (which by the way falls into the discussion of "vinyl vixen" covers -- good cover, terrible terrible singer), are about 500 albums by people who really want to be rock stars. After years of sifting through promos, the sad part I find is that a lot of people who put out albums hoping to make it big, are a combination of things, but typically they lack sincerity, creativity, enthusiasm, and maybe vision. I would much rather listen to a quirky album by someone who is driven by their own highly personal visions, even if they have little talent or skill, than by dime-a-dozen copy cat groups who strive for nothing more than to be rich and famous. Sure you can put down the Shaggs because of problems they encountered in the studio, as well as their lack of skill, and less than typical lyrics, but they are still so unique and sincere, it's hard to keep away from them. But from their first album to second was a lot more practice, which made a big difference. The same thing could be found with the Kids from Widney High. The first album was visionary. The second album was so polished and poised for artistic acceptance, that it had more in common with the sound of a Paul Simon world music-styled album than with the Shaggs, to the point where it was really dull, which is what makes it unlistenable -- not because of poor musicianship or puzzling songs about insects. We can only hope that hipsters listening to the Shaggs because someone told them how awful it was, comes to understand the intention of the sisters, and then listen to them because their music was honest, and not listen to them for the sake of being ironic. Mr. Unlucky (Looking for a new DJing gig...) Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 25 Mar 2001 15:29:28 EST In a message dated 3/25/01 11:39:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, moritz@derplan.com writes: << And I believe this point in history was sometime in the mid-eighties, not in the 60s, and it had something to do with their representation in this book "Inredible Strange Music", which - by the way - helped a lot of other musicians to get some new attention and make a comeback, f.i. Esquivel. Is that a strange theory? >> It's not so strange a theory - it definitely helped folks like Esquivel make a comeback - but the Shaggs were already a "cult" act quite a while before said books came out, which was sometime in the early 90s if I remember correctly. (don't know if word of mouth about the Shaggs started in the 70s, but I know it was definitely in full swing during the 80s). -DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Ironic Enjoyment Date: 25 Mar 2001 15:38:37 -0500 At 03:24 AM 3/25/01 EST, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > >In a message dated 3/23/1 9:22:56 PM, bigshot@spumco.com wrote: > >>I think that the focus on novelty >>is responsible for the downturn in interest in exotica music >>over the past year or two. > >Don't forget the promulgation of "swing" music...the problem with the lounge >movement was that nobody could get a handle on it. Was it SABPM? Exotica? >Latin? Bossa? Soundtracks? Now Sound? You really had to be a genre freak to >dig the entirety of it.. Most people don't like instrumental music. They like a singer. Most people don't appreciate arrangement. Me and my buddy at the record store will be listening to some Paul Mauriat record and digging that little phrase creeping in via the string section and invariably some shopper will call it "elevator music". I was once that guy. But I got edumecated. We're in this tiny club on this list and we don't even agree on what's good and what isn't. Stephen brings up "novelty music". I have no idea what he's referring to but I'm pretty sure he's including some of my favorite music under that banner. I don't know what the numbers are but the percentage of people who are always looking for new and different sounds is very small. It's not surprising the lounge revival died. What's surprising is that it ever happened at all. The last couple of nights I listened to luxuria.com and hung out in the chat room. Last night there was a "soundtrack show". At least 75% of the music the guy played I either have or I'm looking for. There were 12 or 15 people in the chatroom there. I knew four or five of them from this list. What I'm saying is, it's a small club. I'm not saying I personally know most of the people in North America who are looking for the records I'm looking for but it almost feels like that. If it involves looking for old records, it's not going to take off If the artists can't appear on the Grammies wearing next to nothing, it's not going to take off. Sometimes there are little temprorary trends. Lounge was one of them. It's over. Some of us came here via the lounge trend but that's not why we stayed. Forget about the lounge revival. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Ironic Enjoyment Date: 25 Mar 2001 17:18:54 -0500 > Sometimes there are little temprorary trends. Lounge was one of them. It's > over. Some of us came here via the lounge trend but that's not why we stayed. > Forget about the lounge revival. > > AZ > I agree with much of what you've said, Alan, although that unfortunately large minority of people that is still willing to pay for Kenny G, John Tesh, and Yanni makes me think that it may not just be the lack of vocals that keeps "lounge" or exotica from reviving. To be honest, however, I have to confess that I don't think I ever wanted a full-fledged revival. The problem with popularity is that the commercialism that accompanies trends tends to suck all of the authenticity out of them. The revived "swing" music that bigshot referred to bothered me for precisely that reason--it seemed more celebratory of itself as a revived form rather than trying to just make good music. All of those Big Bad Voodoo Daddy types were so "in your face" about being "swing" that they forgot that the original stuff had a good bit of subtlety and guile to it, and although it was meant to be danced to, it didn't have to remind you what it was all of the time. I'll take the Arthur Murray dance albums, thank you. It's exciting to think that there's still lots of life left in an art form that, for whatever reason, has been left behind. But there's enough of the original stuff still around on recordings that we can enjoy it for the rest of our lives. I know myself well enough to know that as soon as a musical genre reaches a certain level of "popularity" I flee from it. Maybe that's not rational, but I've seen it happen enough times to know that if even Martin Denny became too ubiquitous I *might* abandon him (although that's hard to say. It'd have to happen first). In its own way, I suppose that's like the elitism that I denounced with regard to classical music. This will take more thought. Clayton P.S. By the way, I see lots of Paul Mauriat in thrift stores. Would he fall into that category I asked about a while back of music that you see often but that is nevertheless worth adding to the collection? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) list-discussed movies on tv Date: 25 Mar 2001 18:18:35 -0500 A week with movies recently mentioned here popping up on tv. "The Umbrellas of Cherbourg" (1964) - TCM - Wednesday, 12:45pm (eastern) "8 1/2" (1963) - TCM - Wednesday, 10:00pm "Mickey One" (1965) - AMC - Friday, 4:15pm m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) Tiny Tim tv Date: 25 Mar 2001 18:23:27 -0500 Rather last minute, but tonight (Sunday) at 9:00pm (eastern), E! is showing an episode of "True Hollywood Story" about Tiny Tim. A tip or a warning, depending on your disposition. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Paul Mauriat Date: 25 Mar 2001 21:58:27 -0500 At 05:18 PM 3/25/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote: > >P.S. By the way, I see lots of Paul Mauriat in thrift stores. Would he >fall into that category I asked about a while back of music that you see >often but that is nevertheless worth adding to the collection? The short answer is yes. I've never had a Paul Mauriat records I didn't like. He's a great arranger. But before I could recommend his records in general, I'd have to know more about your taste. I know people who prefer the records that some of us might call boring. They tolerate the overtly groovy numbers but mostly they want good tunes beautifully arranged. That doesn't mean they like Lawrence Welk sorry Welk fans) or (most of) Mantovani but they do like Kostelanatz and Percy Faith and others who seldom rock out but are almost always interesting. If you're that kind, I have no problem recommending Mauriat. If you like the more overtly groovy things, the kind of thing you might imagine playing as a Club D.J. or you might put on a rockin Now Sound compilation, then I can say that you can usually find a cut or two like that on most Paul Mauriat records. I heartily recommend "The Soul of Paul Mauriat" and his version of "You keep me hanging on" for instance. That's a classic. Check the tunes. If you like the tune, you'll probably like his version. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Ironic Enjoyment Date: 25 Mar 2001 21:58:26 -0500 At 05:18 PM 3/25/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote: .> The revived "swing" >music that bigshot referred to bothered me for precisely that reason--it >seemed more celebratory of itself as a revived form rather than trying to >just make good music. I didn't bother with the swing revival because I don't really like swing music. In fact, in general I don't like anything that can be described as "party music". You know, in general I think I always prefer the original stuff to the "revival" stuff. That goes for blues. I don't really like any of these new acoustic blues guys. That goes for country. I hate New Country and even the new traditionalists aren't as good as the originals. I don't know if that makes me some kind of "preservationist". I just think it's hard, even impossible, to recreate a genre. And I think it has everything to do with context. For instance, I can't think of a single neo-noir film that succeeded. I enjoyed some of them. Night Moves, After Dark My Sweet, The Grifters. But they didn't really remind me of film noir. Even Chinatown doesn't remind me much of film noir as I see it A friend of mine said that one reason you can't make a film noir anymore is because today's actresses are all wrong. Too good looking. I have a similar problem with most neo-lounge music. I do think it's somehow decontextualized. But now and then, I hear stuff that I like despite all that. Actually the place where the lounge revival has been most influential - and I think successful - is in scoring movies and TV and commercials. I can't tell you how many times a movie is elevated for me by a soundtrack that reminds me of my favorite soundtracks from the sixties. And that's probably because the people scoring films have a similar record collection to many of us here. Anyway, what was the point? Something about sampling, wasn't it? AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clayton black Subject: Re:(exotica) Paul Mauriat Date: 26 Mar 2001 22:29:06 -0500 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3068490546_340114_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > That doesn't mean they like Lawrence > Welk sorry Welk fans) or (most of) Mantovani but they do like Kostelanatz > and Percy Faith and others who seldom rock out but are almost always > interesting. Oddly enough, I find Welk and Percy Faith interesting, but not Kostelanetz or Mantovani. Welk (or, perhaps more properly, George Cates) has surprised me on a number of occasions. I rather like his version of Mas Que Nada (on the crazy Wonderful, Wonderful! album with "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right"). As for Percy Faith, I owe Darrell Brogdon one for turning me on to Bim, Bam, Boom!, which I love, at a time when I had long since given up on Percy Faith albums. Sounds like I would go for Mauriat--after all, it'll probably only cost me fifty cents or a dollar anyway. As for the revival vs. authenticity question, as boring as it may be, I entirely agree with your comments. You put your finger on it when you said you didn't like "party music." Anything that would appeal to a bar full of drunk undergraduates and that can be loosely termed "bar music" (I'm thinking of NRBQ or white R&B in general) repels me. Clayton --MS_Mac_OE_3068490546_340114_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re:(exotica) Paul Mauriat
> That doesn't mean they like Lawrence
> Welk sorry Welk fans) or (most of) Mantovani but they do like Kostelan= atz
> and Percy Faith and others who seldom rock out but are almost always > interesting.

Oddly enough, I find Welk and Percy Faith interesting, but not Kostelanetz = or Mantovani.  Welk (or, perhaps more properly, George Cates) has surpr= ised me on a number of occasions.  I rather like his version of Mas Que= Nada (on the crazy Wonderful, Wonderful! album with "Don't Think Twice= , It's All Right").  As for Percy Faith, I owe Darrell Brogdon one= for turning me on to Bim, Bam, Boom!, which I love, at a time when I had lo= ng since given up on Percy Faith albums.  Sounds like I would go for Ma= uriat--after all, it'll probably only cost me fifty cents or a dollar anyway= .
   As for the revival vs. authenticity question, as boring = as it may be, I entirely agree with your comments.  You put your finger= on it when you said you didn't like "party music."  Anything= that would appeal to a bar full of drunk undergraduates and that can be loo= sely termed "bar music" (I'm thinking of NRBQ or white R&B in = general) repels me.
   
Clayton
   
 --MS_Mac_OE_3068490546_340114_MIME_Part-- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clayton black Subject: (exotica) To the Boston Folks Date: 26 Mar 2001 22:43:13 -0500 I gather from conversations here that there is a cohort of Boston folks on the list. I'm curious for any feedback you might have on the band Upper Crust. I know it's not an exotica band, but one of the original members--Lord Rockingham--is now one of my colleagues in my department. It came as something of a shock when his alter ego was discovered, but the shock has turned to curiosity. I've seen the website devoted to the band, and it looks like a funny gig, but I'm curious about reviews by people whose taste I more or less trust: was this just a "Spinal Tap" type novelty act or something a bit more serious? Just curious, Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "paul thomas" Subject: (exotica) Yet More On The Shaggs Date: 25 Mar 2001 19:53:05 -0800 Did anyone happen to read the article on The Shaggs in The New Yorker a year or two ago? Its probably in their online archives and I would recommend a close reading of it. The article points out that far from being naive genuises, the Wiggins sisters absolutely hated having to write, play or perform and had zero interest in music. It was their father who wanted to cash in on the teen rock groups ... The Monkees, The Partridge Family et al ... who picked out each daughter's instrument and drilled them regularly in practice sessions that were like torture. The few times Shaggs played live the audience stared in dumbfounded amazement ... even in the irony-free early 70s, the audience suspected it was all a gag. I haven't heard the entire Shaggs album ,just a few cuts here and there. Frankly, I hear a good deal of passive-aggressiveness in it ... its almost as though they wanted to make it as God-awful as possible in order to be released from the bondage they labored under. If you've had your doors of perception blown off their hinges by listening to the Shaggs, that's great. Pablo Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiny Tim tv Date: 25 Mar 2001 21:54:06 -0600 "m.ace" wrote: > Rather last minute, but tonight (Sunday) at 9:00pm (eastern), E! is showing > an episode of "True Hollywood Story" about Tiny Tim. A tip or a warning, > depending on your disposition. Dammit. Wouldn't you know, AMC went and scheduled "Marnie" at the same time. So there I was flipping between channels at the breaks between Tiny Tim and Alfred Hitchcock's equally delusional worlds of obsessive-compulsive behavior. I must admit that Tippi Hedren's a lot easier on the eyes than Tiny was. As I suspected they would, E! dwelt almost exclusively on Tiny's ambiguous sexual urges, religious delusions, and dietary quirks. They ignored his music most shamefully, IMO. Afterwards, I opted for yet more dysfunction and watched as much of the Academy Award wankfest as I could stomach. I think Bjork's a shoo-in for Mr. Blackwell's list this year. -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "paul thomas" Subject: (exotica) Mr. Warhol Date: 25 Mar 2001 20:13:46 -0800 Thus Spake Mo: "...Warhol sort of invented this "bad is good" concept; that's what Pop Art is all about." ~~> I think Clement Greenberg is spinning in his grave right now. But proceed to law Greenberg low. He won't kick. Pop Art really wasn't about "bad is good" but more about how art had returned to its "craft" roots. A newspaper comic strip or a soup can were just as artistic as an Academic painting. Its no coincidence that most of the Pop artists worked in advertising and graphic design before being discovered. "Subsequently Warhol was one of the losers of the art market collapse of the late 80s. Especially the prices of his silk screen prints went down remarkably." ~~> Warhol's value went down because he started doing repitious crap after the 60s. Frankly, Andy was famous because he *was* famous and because he hung around famous people. He learned this from Dali, who had stopped doing anything interesting after the mid 40s. This all comes, in a Modern sense, from Oscar Wilde ... whose talent never diminished. Anyway, what was Pop art ... warmed over Dadaism. As Man ray said "I made Dada when I was five and was roundly spanked for it." Testify, Brother Man Ray! Pablo Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOUSEOBOB@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: NRBQ Date: 25 Mar 2001 23:18:14 EST In a message dated 3/26/2001 11:37:49 AM, clayton.black@washcoll.edu writes: << Anything that would appeal to a bar full of drunk undergraduates and that can be loosely termed "bar music" (I'm thinking of NRBQ or white R&B in general) repels me. >> Wow........NRBQ is a truly great band who completely transcend that "bar full of drunk undergraduates". I could rave about them for a while, but suffice to say that this is a band whose playlist, which is never the same twice, runs the gamut from Sun Ra played on a toy piano to rare rockabilly covers to childrens' songs to Thelonious Monk to originals that are smart , funny, beautiful and really swing and rock. The drummer was involved in putting out those MSR song poem records and Terry Adams, the piano player/leader was the reason that the Shaggs were re-issued. The last time I saw them I was amazed that after all the years on the road (25 for two of them), they still look like they love what they do. I don't think I've ever seen another band enjoy playing music more than they do and I don't think there's any kind of music they don't love. In a more perfect world, their songs would have been all over the radio. But they're not , so catch them in the next bar. They won't be around forever and they are something special. Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: clayton black Subject: (exotica) Winchester Cathedral Date: 26 Mar 2001 23:22:30 -0500 Sorry--Welk's "Mas Que Nada" was on the album Winchester Cathedral. Wonderful, Wonderful! has good tunes, too, though. I liked his version of "Calcutta," too, from the first time I heard it, and maybe that's why I didn't turn his show off when, by chance, I turned to it during a business trip. How could I turn away from the garish outfits and cheesy tunes when they were presented with such sincerity? I still try to catch the show when the local PBS station shows it. Nothing hip about it. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re:(exotica) Mute (was: Holger Hiller) Date: 25 Mar 2001 20:56:05 -0500 Moritz wrote: > > For me part of the problem remained not knowing where the label fit > > in after the new wave ended. > that's true. they have gone a bit too far into this noisy neo teutonic > concept art scene for my taste. Where's the silly pop fun of Silicon Teens > today? Or gay disco like the Communards? It has all become so dead > serious. That reminds me that on this same subject, that the other pioneering label of the industrial/new wave era, Rough Trade, also suffered from the same identity problem. Is it a coincidence that both Mute and RT still exist today in spite of the all that's happened since the late 70's? Both have gone through a similar kind of transformation/reflection period and, at least I think, have been able to remain independent. I went through a period where I really detested RT, probably because to me they seemed to abandon the sound they helped pioneer, but I've since come to respect the label again, much the same way as Mute. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Subject: (exotica) Process and Product Date: 25 Mar 2001 21:25:05 -0500 Steve wrote: > A musician who can't play an instrument and creates his own "art" > by cannibalizing the music of others is the exact same thing as a > "creative" producer. I choose a real artist over a person without > any particular artistic talent or skill any day of the week. Is this to say that someone who has an ear for playing music, or for that matter, an eye for drawing is then an original artist? These are talents to be sure, but the "artistry" is all in how these talents are used. History is filled with great music that results from people who have no musical "talent" and awful music resulting from people that supposedly do! Even more confusing is that any means of measurement is highly subjective. I mentioned early in this long argument the question "is it really possible to be totally original"? I still contend it is not, and as I though more, I realize it would be awfuly dull if everything were original, since the collective memory and its associations are a large part of what form our reactions to art and music. I realize some people require structure and rules to help them form opinons and make decisions.... after all, isn't this what organized religion is all about? And I have nothing against that myself, as long as what's good or correct for them, doesn't necessarily have to be good or correct for me. Tolerance is indeed a virtue... and one that always seems to be in short supply! Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: KPM releases Date: 25 Mar 2001 20:41:06 -0500 Magnus wrote: << ONE THING I WILL NEVER forgive myself for, seeing about 25 library LPs in mint condition at a fleamarket three years ago...$1 each, and I bought NONE!I try to tell myself: they came from 1975 to 80. No cool electronic sounds at that time, too late". Is it possible to identfy these series? Was it a great mistake? >Hopefully it wasn't the Montparnasse series I've passed up on a lot of these myself and I did listen to them first. A few guidelines... "Just because the name is well known does not mean it's good". I've heard amazing library records by Roger Roger, and some really ordinary ones by him. That gets me to the second observation... "If it sells for a lot it's probably good". The ones I saw for $3-$5 were very ordinary, the $7-$8 ones were better but not amazing, and the $17-$20 always unbelievably good. The only exception was the one I saw at $27 which wasn't that good. The store owner said it has a piece all the DJ's wnt for sampling. The final observation... "The title can be misleading". Some I figured should be good form the title were disappointing and others I would have passed right over were amazingly good. As for Montparnasse, there are a few that are supposed to be good but many of them are not that good. I bought a few that were ok but also passed on a few. These are not the things to drop a lot of money on if you can't listen first and I think Charles M. made this point a while back. So, Magnus there's a still a chance you made the right move but at $1 each I think they would have still been worth taking the chance... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HOUSEOBOB@aol.com Subject: (exotica) The Shaggs Date: 25 Mar 2001 23:37:53 EST The Shaggs record received a lot of press when it was re-issued around 1979 because it came out at precisely the same time as the Raincoats and The Slits. All three bands got reviewed together constantly for their superficial similarities - all girls, DIY esthetic, etc. I don't think they would have been quite as popular if not for the good timing. as I recall, they got a lot of mainstream press out of it. Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RoTone@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Free Design in Mojo magazine Date: 26 Mar 2001 00:07:07 EST Greetings- Just received the new Mojo in my mail and saw that there is a 2 page spread on Free Design within it. Probably not much new information for you long-time fans, but well done, nonetheless. It's the issue with the Smiths on the front. Jon Cook # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "paul thomas" Subject: (exotica) Back to Bach Date: 25 Mar 2001 21:12:18 -0800 thus spake m.ace (and the multitudes were glad thereof): "Who knows what may have been lost? You may say, "But it DOES work -- Bach was rediscovered!" To which I reply, "Yes, Bach was lucky -- and he had a long-term gig which set up some notoriety for him -- but what about the others who weren't so lucky?" ~~> while its true that Bach disappeared from musical performance for nealy 100 years, it isn't likely that he would have been extinguished entirely and absolutely. Bach's works were widely published and he had a plethora of musical offspring (a plethora is defined as more than two and less than 18) who were dispersed to the musical courts of Germany (altho it wasn't called Germany at that time). His eldest son, Wilhelm Feideman bach was selling manuscript copies in order to raise ready cash for more drinking a merry making. I think Fats Waller summed it up best with "I've come to the conclusion that Bach is here to stay." Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) popcorn Date: 26 Mar 2001 13:34:37 +0800 hi all, the other day i was listening to this cdr i'd gotten from the exoticaring(philip's living it up). i was listening to the song "popcorn" and i asked a friend of mine if he knew the song and in response he started to sing along. i asked him how he knew it and he said its the "bread car song". bread car song??? apparently when he was little there was a car that would play this song to let people know the bread car was here and you could go out and buy bread. i don't think bread cars still exist here anymore. however, the garbage car plays a song that is the same as what ice cream trucks play in the states. i guess you never know where exotica will show up. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiny Tim tv Date: 26 Mar 2001 00:41:20 -0500 > Afterwards, I opted for yet more dysfunction and watched as much of the Academy > Award wankfest as I could stomach. I think Bjork's a shoo-in for Mr. > Blackwell's list this year. The two reasons I watch the Academy Awards are to see what wins for best foreign film (it should have been "Le Gout des Autres") and to see what everyone's wearing. And I couldn't believe what Bjork's "dress" looked like. Scary...However, on a related semi-exotica note, after hearing the nominated song from "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon", I'm not sure I want to see the movie. It sounded waaay too much like Celine Dion-type schlock music for my liking. Has anyone got any comments on the music in the film? Is it all like that? cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brett Leveridge Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiny Tim tv Date: 26 Mar 2001 00:45:52 -0500 (EST) On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, cheryl wrote: > like. Scary...However, on a related semi-exotica note, after hearing the > nominated song from "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon", I'm not sure I want to > see the movie. It sounded waaay too much like Celine Dion-type schlock > music for my liking. Has anyone got any comments on the music in the film? > Is it all like that? None of it's like that. That cheezy song plays over the closing credits and has nothing otherwise to do with the film. See it; it's terrific. Brett ************************************************** Brett Leveridge's "Men My Mother Dated and Other Mostly True Tales" is now in a bookstore near you. Order signed copies at: http://www.menmymotherdated.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Indy Rutks" Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiny Tim tv Date: 26 Mar 2001 00:05:04 -0600 Brett wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, cheryl wrote: > > like. Scary...However, on a related semi-exotica note, after hearing the > > nominated song from "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon", I'm not sure I want to > > see the movie. It sounded waaay too much like Celine Dion-type schlock > > music for my liking. Has anyone got any comments on the music in the film? > > Is it all like that? > > None of it's like that. That cheezy song plays over the closing credits > and has nothing otherwise to do with the film. See it; it's terrific. I second that emotion! I missed the perfomance on the Oscars (must've been watching "The Sopranos"), but that song is not typical of the soundtrack. -Indy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) paul mauriat Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:10:25 +0100 I have a few of his LP's and yes there is always something good on them. There usually seems to be one song on all of them.... something blue, I can't quite put my finger on it. But I was in Mr Bongo on Friday [no joy on the Nico Gomez mind : ( ] and they had a couple of paul Mauriat LP's for sixty UKPounds each. I double checked. Thats what about 90 US Dollars at the moment. I haven't heard anything by him even remotely 60 quid good. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) Piero Umiliani - The Man and the City Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:23:32 +0100 Got the new Piero Umiliani re-issue on Friday. Another good one. Jazzy and groovy, with some synthesizer on it. (more 'Sweden' than 'Gangsters') One of the tracks, Central Termische (sp?) is also on the Today's Sound LP, here along with a different, lumpier, funkier version thats pretty good too. Generally though theres not too much duplication of tracks. Its a single LP rather than a double, which may account for that, and although you may feel you don't have a 'complete set' of the films music, I thinks it works better that way. I intended making notes before I came out on personnel and stuff, so I didn't do a two line review, but here it is. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) paul mauriat Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:48:56 +0100 But I was in Mr Bongo on Friday [no joy on the Nico Gomez mind : ( ] and they had a couple of paul Mauriat LP's = for sixty UKPounds each. I double checked. Thats what about 90 US Dollars = at the moment. I haven't heard anything by him even remotely 60 quid good. They often do that in Mr Bongo. 50p records on the wall for = =A330-=A3100 as a joke. Did you ask about them? They normally get really intense about = breaks and the like. Last one I saw was a Percy Faith LP for =A355. Maybe the net is the place for Nico Gomez. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Uh Oh Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:32:27 +0200 I listened to the new Tipsy yesterday, and I must say, it's amazing. It's probably the most pictorial music I have ever heard. It's like an acoustic caleidoscope of the exotic, a film for the ears, the perfect sound environment for bars, pools and public places. A true monument of the art of sampling. I was disappointed though by the rhythms. I missed the persuasive hypnotic beats a la Cinnabar from the first album. Nothing to dance to, it didn't put me in trance like Triptease did. Still strongly recommended! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Mr. Warhol Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:32:37 +0200 paul thomas schrieb: > Thus Spake Mo: > "...Warhol sort of invented this "bad is good" concept; that's what Pop= Art is all about." > ~~> I think Clement Greenberg is spinning in his grave right now. But p= roceed to law Greenberg low. He won't kick. Pop Art really wasn't about = "bad is good" but more about how art had returned to its "craft" roots. A= newspaper comic strip or a soup can were just as artistic as an Academi= c painting. Its no coincidence that most of the Pop artists worked in adv= ertising and graphic design before being discovered. Mo spooking again: I blame most misunderstandings I have in this list on the fact that G.W.F= =2E Hegel never was as popular in the Anglo world as he was here. What yo= u consider contradictions are not contradictions to me in many cases, jus= t dialectic parts of a dynamic process. But in this case it's not even a = problem of dialectics: actually Greenberg's and my opinions are simply no= t contradictions at all. Why should an art movement that redifines the va= lue of everyday graphic art not return to its "craft" roots at the same t= ime? That many of these artists worked as advertising artists and window = decorators, wasn't an artistic statement or something, it simply owed to = the fact that they had to make a living and the official artworld at that= time only had eyes for monochrome mantras and the 345th Picasso epigone.= If you want to learn how Warhol really came up with his pop art concept, = read his own words in his book (I forgot the title, was it "Pop" or "Pop = Art"?), where he describes how he and a friend went to LA in car and star= ted to see trivial objects along the road, like street signs etc., as "ar= t", accordingly redefining "worthless" images into valuable art. It was t= he same thing that Marcel Duchamp had already done long before (so Warhol= didn't really "invent it", OK), now Warhol turned eye-catching billboard= s into American icons. From the point of view of the late 50s it *was* "b= ad turning into good". As I said: I love Pop Art for what it has done to = the history of culture. Like many (all?) movements it started with a prov= ocation. Later Warhol continued this idea by turning "bad" objects into p= op icons, such as the electric chair or the atom bomb. Even Marylin Monro= e wasn't the heroine she became through Warhol's glorification. He also m= ade a film called "Bad". His biggest talent was certainly not his "craft"= (Warhol, the biggest silk-screen printer of all times?), but the way he = could deal with the modern media society. BTW: Many of Andy Warhol's views are typical Czech ironic humor. You want= to check out (czech out) the works of Milan Kunc, a Czech painter, who i= s 100 times a better artist than Warhol, but you'll find the same kind of= humor. > "Subsequently Warhol was one of > the losers of the art market collapse of the late 80s. Especially the p= rices of his silk screen prints went down remarkably." ~~> Warhol's value= went down because he started doing repitious crap after the 60s. OK, I take back "subsequently". Wait a minute... no, I don't take it back= =2E "Repitious"... what's that? If you mean "repetitive" or "repetitious"= , that was his concept after all. > Dali, who had stopped doing anything interesting after the mid 40s. > Ouch! That hurt. (Let's talk about this off-list if you want! It will tak= e too long for an off-topic subject.) Let's just say, Dal=ED wrote books,= made films, did performances, made sculptures and jewelery and built pro= bably the most interesting museum that was built by and for a single arti= st ever. And I didn't yet mention his paintings... his paintings *started= * to become really good in the mid-40s! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de =2E......................................................................= =2E. n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) Hong Kong movies Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:32:47 +0200 cheryl schrieb: > after hearing the nominated song from "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon", I'm not sure I want to see the movie. The film is great, the genre isn't new. Make sure you see films by Tsui Hark or directors related to him: A Chinese Ghost Story, Peking Opera Blues, Once Upon a Time in China, Sword Man, etc. Many of them have second and third volumes, many come as originals with French subtitles. My favorite film of all times from this genre is: Swordman 2. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:33:16 +0200 > Magnus wrote: > I try to tell myself: they came from 1975 to 80. No cool electronic sounds at that time, too late" 1975 to 80 was a time with the coolest electronic sounds ever. What are you talking about, Magnus? Anything that made electronic music really take off, started then: Moroder, Kraftwerk, Disco, New Wave.. whatever! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:33:34 +0200 Dj45rpm@aol.com schrieb: > the Shaggs were already a "cult" act quite a while before > said books came out, which was sometime in the early 90s if I remember > correctly. (don't know if word of mouth about the Shaggs started in the 70s, > but I know it was definitely in full swing during the 80s). OK, then I maybe mistaken here. I have been knowing the Shaggs from the early 80s, but I wasn't aware that it became a big hype before "ISM-vol.1"... Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) the shaggs Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:34:22 +0200 "F. Cobalt" schrieb: > I think the thing that separates the Shaggs from other less capable musicians is sincerity. The Shaggs didn't get recorded because they were trying to score a record deal or become rock stars just like lots of others, but OK, it sure was one of the things that was good about them. > I would much rather listen to a quirky album by someone who is driven by their own highly personal visions, even if they have little talent or skill but this is the question! (as if we didn't have a lengthy debate about it just recently) To have visions *is* a talent, to be able to play an instrument is only a talent, if there is a vision involved with it. Otherwise the player has just developed the skill to be come a machine. I think this is basically why Steve's argumentation had to fail. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Alan, speak out about Guy Maddin! Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:35:53 +0200 (CEST) Alan You mentioned the filmmaker Guy Maddin some days ago, a friend of yours if I understanded correctly. Did you mention the word "genius" as well...? I keep getting recommendations to buy his films from Amazon.com, and I recently read a couple of positive reviews of 'Tales from the Gimli Hospital' and 'Careful' which are released on DVD. Canadian cinema to me is Cronenberg, I guess you're not surprised that I like his films. A friend of mine, who has seen a lot more films than I tells me canadian films are always partly claustrophobic, in the way that much of the action take place indoors. Very few moments of fresh air and blue healthy sky. As a nature-lover (as we swedes mostly are), I find my friends observation rather odd, considering our countries similar looks, lots of huge forests, wildlife, mountains etc, but with Cronenberg I'll have to agree with him. There is something unhealthy, locked up, nikotin- colored-walls type's of places in his movies that gives me this claustrophobic feeling. Even since "Shivers" have I experienced this. Not that I believe that Cronenberg is a typical Canadian ;) But he most certainly must have been an inspiration for the younger filmmakers. Are Maddin's films anything similar to Cronenbergs? A filmmaker working with images the way Murnau and the other early german expressionist's did sounds very interresting to me. Tell us more about his films! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicola Battista Subject: (exotica) Aperitivo / Soul Trade on Emusic Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:47:10 +0100 while Mp3.com is taking ages to give approval to all uploaded tracks, Aperitivo was released on Emusic... and I have already informed them of the typo in the title ("Apertivo"... sic!). http://www.emusic.com/albums/22493 Note that no artist names are listed. Flabby's Groove is of course by Flabby; the other titles had no artist listings on the cd cover (but they list the composers and often composers and artists are the same for these titles... for example there are tracks by Mario Nascimbene, Stelvio Cipriani, Horst Bredow...). The crap thing is that in some case the performer name was different and Soul Trade hasn't given a clue on that (for example on vol.2 there is a track - "Lucky guy" - written by "Selmoco" which was a pseudonym for Francesco "Cesco" Anselmo, friend and assistant of the maestro Armando Sciascia; but the performer should be listed as "Peter Hamilton Orchestra" i.e. one of Sciascia's absurd aliases) :) DjB, an expert in Italian musical crap # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) Hong Kong movies Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:32:19 +0100 The film is great, the genre isn't new. Make sure you see films by Tsui = Hark or directors related to him: A Chinese Ghost Story, Peking Opera Blues, = Once Upon a Time in China, Sword Man, etc. Many of them have second and = third volumes, many come as originals with French subtitles. My favourite = film of all times from this genre is: Swordman 2. This weekend I watched Drunken Master II and Iron Monkey and I have to = say that I was completely blown away. DM II I saw about 6 years ago and was impressed then. Iron Monkey is similar to Crouching Tiger - intrigue, romance, etc, but with incredible fight scenes. Both films are the = cr=E8me de la Hong Kong crop. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) Mr. Warhol Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:41:24 +0100 And I just think its great the way most of Andy Warhol's work wasn't created by him. The whole idea of mass production and the 'Factory' is so late 20th century. In fact I'm wearing a pair of Coca Cola jeans with Andy Warhol quotes all over the right leg in red and white. Something about the beauty of the mass produced, yet artistic Coke bottle. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 26 Mar 2001 15:40:53 +0200 (CEST) citerar Moritz R : > > > Magnus wrote: > > I try to tell myself: they came from 1975 to 80. No cool electronic > sounds at that time, too late" > > 1975 to 80 was a time with the coolest electronic sounds ever. What are you > talking about, Magnus? Anything that made electronic music really take off, > started then: Moroder, Kraftwerk, Disco, New Wave.. whatever! Answer to Mo (1) Sorry Mo, I cant find the electronic sounds from that period cool. I was never and will never be a Kraftwerk fan. The unease I have felt with all things plastic and unreal comes from my background as a lover of all things old. My paranoia is that it feels like we are leaving something I consider "essential" to man, nature, into a cyberworld without any real values. You may find the sounds of the 70s cool, to me they are alien. I searched so long for a nature music, and even if exotica in some way is something "invented", it speaks to me just as nature speaks to me. In my little world digital technology and plastic just is not nature (I try to tell myself everything is nature, but I cant convince myself, this is a feeling deep in me that comes from childhood experiences.) I like the electronic sounds in the beginning, it was playful corny and fun, but it just went somewhat obligatory in music, and uninteresting. Not that I am a particular big lover of accoustic current rock either... I liked sampling the way Mark Stewart and a lot of other groups (Der Plan too maybe, I never found a record with them) did it in the 80s, but when I listen to it now, it makes me afraid. What did they want? The mainstream pop was not of interest to me. You are a lover of dance music, to you this development has been good, I am not equally happy. I like lounge singers, and Bob Dylan before he turned into rock, old bluesmen. People who feel worried about their life and themselves and say so, or just say something simple and stupid but with 40 years of selfexperienced wisdom behind it. Not just a happy teenage smile and "move your butt". I feel bad when I dance, I am not sexy, I cant relax. I am a bore... I love the beat of the sixties though. Nearly all of it! Try to watch a "Eurovision song contest" from the early 60s, and you understand what i mean. Sensuality, look at the eyes of the girls! Today all I hear them sing to the robotbeat is: "I feel so much better without you" I am basically just a dreamer. A big kid. Plese let me stay in my dreams. I admit that Roger Rogers robotmusic makes me wanna live, but it so typical, its pre -70! Before everything turned bad. Answer to Mo (2) Or, it can be like this: All cool electronic sounds was invented in the 40s 50s and 60s. At that time it was probably hard work, and just the good stuff got released. I still slap my knees (30 years after) over the incredible zounds they invented. In the 70s 80s 90s those sounds could be played simply on an instrument. They got overused, and turned into a symphonic baloney. I may love these early zounds so much more because I hear similar sounds in contemporary music, but the sounds (notice: I dont write 'z'ounds) today doesnt make me want to slap my knees! There is such tiny bit of humour left. Someone must agree with this!!! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Alan, speak out about Guy Maddin! Date: 26 Mar 2001 09:56:29 -0500 David Cronenberg, while a good director, is pretty atypical of Canadian filmmakers. He may have inspired others to make films, and opened up the world's eyes to Canadian cinema, but he's really not typical. Guy Maddin's films are about as far as you can get from David Cronenberg's. Go to the web site: http://www.e.bell.ca/filmfest/2000/25anniv/indexpreludes.asp and you can see his incredible short film, "Heart Of The World". If you like that, you should like his other movies. He has a vision all his own. The film describes his style way better than words can... Other interesting Canadian filmmakers worth checking out (off the top of my head - there are way more, but I can't think of them at the moment - need more coffee...) - Atom Egoyan, Denis Villeneuve, Don McKellar, Jean-Claude Lauzon. I'm sure Alan can add more to this list... cheryl > You mentioned the filmmaker Guy Maddin some days ago, a friend of yours > if I understanded correctly. Did you mention the word "genius" as > well...? I keep getting recommendations to buy his films from > Amazon.com, and I recently read a couple of positive reviews of 'Tales > from the Gimli Hospital' and 'Careful' which are released on DVD. > > Canadian cinema to me is Cronenberg, I guess you're not surprised that > I like his films. A friend of mine, who has seen a lot more films than > I tells me canadian films are always partly claustrophobic, in the way > that much of the action take place indoors. Very few moments of fresh > air and blue healthy sky. > As a nature-lover (as we swedes mostly are), I find my friends > observation rather odd, considering our countries similar looks, lots > of huge forests, wildlife, mountains etc, but with Cronenberg I'll have > to agree with him. There is something unhealthy, locked up, nikotin- > colored-walls type's of places in his movies that gives me this > claustrophobic feeling. Even since "Shivers" have I experienced this. > Not that I believe that Cronenberg is a typical Canadian ;) But he most > certainly must have been an inspiration for the younger filmmakers. > Are Maddin's films anything similar to Cronenbergs? > A filmmaker working with images the way Murnau and the other early > german expressionist's did sounds very interresting to me. Tell us more > about his films! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) paul mauriat Date: 26 Mar 2001 07:04:26 -0800 At 12:10 PM 26-03-01 +0100, The Cheese Meister wrote: >I have a few of his LP's and yes there is always something good on them. I just got a Paul Mauriat LP. Haven't listened to it. I got it with two other LPs I actually wanted (Edmundo Ros, Ted Heath) and probably wanted the PM LP for the cover. Decca or whomever found excellent models for his covers. Now, however, I will have to listen and see if there is something I might be missing! Byron ___...--''''***^^^^^^""""""^^^^^***''''---___ "In the 50's the average human laughed 18 ||| minutes a day. In 2001 each human laughs only 6 minutes a day. Its time to return to our | 1950's laugh prosperity!" ||| ||| ---Byron "Chuckles" Caloz ||| |||bag AT hubris DOT net Portland, OR, USA||| """^^^'''***----...__________...----'''^^^""" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 26 Mar 2001 17:01:29 +0200 (CEST) I'll try again. I love the idea of the artist as a 'mad professor', like Perrey, Haack and Scott. They mastered their machines so they could talk, today it is the total opposite. Off course there are still such mad professors, and good music. But the overall feeling is that it is too much. And all this began in the 70s and 80s, not my favorite decade as you can imagine. So what will happen to this monster? Or is it an alien? The rave people seems to be sure of an alien. I dont know, everybody seems to be happy and allright, I see 666. Maybe its good, maybe its bad. It sure is different. We'll just have to see. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bag@hubris.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiny Tim tv Date: 26 Mar 2001 07:07:32 -0800 At 12:41 AM 26-03-01 -0500, Cheryl wrote: >after hearing the >nominated song from "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon", I'm not sure I want to >see the movie. It sounded waaay too much like Celine Dion-type schlock >music for my liking. Has anyone got any comments on the music in the film? >Is it all like that? The suite of excerpts from all the films, played brilliantly by Yo Yo Ma and Itzhak Perlman with the Academy Orchestra, conducted by Bill Conti, gave a pretty good taste of each nominated score. On NPR's Weekend Edition, Andy Trudeau reviewed all five nominees over the past 5 weeks and decided he liked CTHD's music the best...a combination of Western with Eastern music. Because he also seemed very impressed by John Williams' The Patriot, I thought his selection was high praise. He also said, though, that this has not been a stellar year for good movie music and wished that Ennio Morricione's music for Mission to Mars was nominated. I would have to say that on every level CTHD must be an excellent film judging from the talent involved, the costume design, the cinematography, the music, the sound, the effects. The song at the end...unfortunately one of those Hollywood things. I wonder if all other genre films do the same or if CTHD was designed to fit the Hollywood mold? Byron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "james brouwer" Subject: (exotica) recent scores: record show Date: 26 Mar 2001 15:10:26 -0000 if there's anyone out there who likes to read about the vinyl people score at record shows, I thought I'd post what came my way at yesterday's Guelph Record and CD Show. I don't do this often but here goes: - "Brasilian Beat 67" by Los Brasilios (not bad in parts) - "Steel Guitar Hall of Fame" (it ain't Speedy West but it was cheap) - "Look Out For #1" by The Brothers Johnson (70's funk thing produced by Quincy Jones, not bad, not great) - "Enchanted Sea" by Martin Denny - "Mean as Hell" by Johnny Cash - "Last Rebel" OST (Joe Namath movie from early 70's, not bad OST) - "Jets, Railroads and Drums" (old stereophonic lp with a picture of a girl on a missle for the sleeve pic. The best track is "jets": 5 minutes of jet engine sounds going from one speaker to another. Very John Cage.) - "Music For Space Squirrels" by Al Caiola (not as "spacey" as the title would have you believe, still it's o.k.) - "Midnight For 2" by the Three Suns (good cover, but always too much damn accordian) - "Love is A Funny Thing" OST by Francis Lai (good in spots) - "Westworld" OST - "Benji" OST (yes the dog movie, a severely impoverished cool-quotient here, but there is 1 1/2 good tracks) - "jewels of the Sea" by Les Baxter - "Safari" by Edmund De Luca (a bit too 'Orchestra' for my tastes, but has some cool drum bits with 'chanting african voices' in parts. It's ok) - "Primitiva" by Martin Denny - "Exotica Suite" by Denny and Zentner - "West Digs East - Dig?' by The Seven Players (I was hoping for sitar on this one but there ain't any. Still there's some cool eastern sounding bits and 'now-sound' electric guitar parts. It's a keeper, and has a great sleeve image of an arabian girl [obviously white] holding a hot-dog and feeding some guy grapes) - "Thank-You For The Music" by Spike Jones (cool record! I want more by this guy) - "Claudine" by Claudine Longet - "We've Only Just Begun" by Claudine Longet and from a thrift two days ago: - "Naked City" by Paul Phillips and Orchestra (crime jazzy, not bad. good weegee title, but lousy cover) - "Swingin' Fling" by Alvino Rey (not bad) - "Riot in Rhythm" by Henri renee the prices range from $13.00 (for denny's Enchanted Sea) to 50 cents (for Brasilian Beat 67). The vast majority was between $1.00 and $3.00. what's everyone else findin' these days? jb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiny Tim tv Date: 26 Mar 2001 10:27:29 -0500 At 09:54 PM 3/25/2001, you wrote: >As I suspected they would, E! dwelt almost exclusively on Tiny's ambiguous >sexual urges, religious delusions, and dietary quirks. They ignored his music >most shamefully, IMO. It was classic E! cheese, straight from the template. They even had a "walking expert" shot, as explained so well by Alan last week -- though in a daring variation, they had their expert walking on an urban sidewalk. It seemed like the only music by Tiny Tim actually used in the show was a few bars of "Tiptoe". I've noticed very little music in any of their profiles of music people. I suspect that they're too cheap to pay for the rights. I'd wager the uke plunking that popped up here and there on the soundtrack (in between their "ominous" synth washes) was from an anonymous library disc or something. Tiny's pretty scary himself, but how about some of those ex-managers?! m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) Hong Kong movies Date: 26 Mar 2001 18:10:50 +0200 Mo wrote: > The film is great, the genre isn't new. Make sure you see films > by Tsui Hark or directors related to him: A Chinese Ghost Story, > Peking Opera Blues, Once Upon a Time in China, Sword Man, etc. > Many of them have second and third volumes, many come as > originals with French subtitles. My favorite film of all times > from this genre is: Swordman 2. I'm reading a book called 'Mondo Macabro', about strange films from all around the world. It has some interesting chapsters on Hong Kong Movies too. The book is available from Amazon.com. Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) Crouching Tiger Date: 26 Mar 2001 08:12:18 -0800 (PST) Fantasic soundtrack! A few of the songs have these great jungle beats mixed with breaks of chinese traditional music. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck > Brett wrote: Has anyone got any comments on the > music in the film? > > > Is it all like that? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: KPM Date: 25 Mar 2001 19:44:57 +0200 Paul and others, i don't know what happened, but i was wrong when i told that i had these 2 KPM LPs: Alan Hawkshaw Soul Organ Showcase LP, KPM 1027, UK Alan Hawkshaw The Big Beat LP, KPM 1044, UK they're on my want list, but not in my collection alas. bloop, J. At 9:15 +0000 2001/03/24, Paul Hodge wrote: >Hi Johan > >Wow - how we could all be wiser in hindsight! > >Could you tell me the track listing for these LPs: > >Alan Hawkshaw Soul Organ Showcase LP, KPM 1027, UK >Alan Hawkshaw The Big Beat LP, KPM 1044, UK > >...as I'm looking around for them (I guess Resolution records will be the >best place) >and want to know how many tracks they have in common with the KPM >compilation LPs >eg Blow Up Exclusive Blend Vol. 1 > >Many thanks > >Paul # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Mr. Warhol Date: 26 Mar 2001 12:56:41 -0500 > And I just think its great the way most of Andy Warhol's work >wasn't created by him. The whole idea of mass production and >the 'Factory' is so late 20th century. Or very 16th century. Renaissance workshops weren't engaged in mass production but otherwise the system was practically the same (giving generations of art historians and museum curators careers sorting it out). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) paul mauriat Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:02:20 -0500 At 12:10 PM 3/26/01 +0100, G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk wrote: > >I have a few of his LP's and yes there is always something good on them. > But I was in Mr Bongo on Friday and they had a couple of paul Mauriat LP's for >sixty UKPounds each. I double checked. Thats what about 90 US Dollars at >the moment. >I haven't heard anything by him even remotely 60 quid good. What have you heard that is 60 quid good? I can't think of anything I've ever heard that was that good (though the Barbarella soundtrack comes close). I'm amazed to hear of Paul Mauriat records that expensive. It makes me think perhaps there's something of his I haven't heard, something even more cool than his (famous) version of "You keep me hanging on". I guess if he made a record where every cut was all sitared-up like that cut, it might rise to almost that level. But geez. Nothing on a major label should be that expensive. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Mr. Warhol Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:15:25 -0500 At 02:32 PM 3/26/01 +0200, Moritz R wrote: >If you want to learn how Warhol really came up with his pop art concept, read his own words in his book (I forgot the title, was it "Pop" or "Pop Art"?), where he describes how he and a friend went to LA in car and started to see trivial objects along the road, like street signs etc., as "art", When it comes to this kind of art, there really is no better description for my taste than the horrible old cliche "I know what I like". If anyone remembers my friend "Herb", I remember once telling him how much I love certain album covers and him saying "Well a lot of them are good examples of DESIGN but I wouldn't compare them to Picasso..." I wouldn't compare them to Picasso either and I have no doubt that Picasso was more of an artistic genius than for instance David Stone Martin. But this is one area where I don't care about such things. Art, craft, design. I have LOTS of friends who are "real" artists. (Or at least I have had.) And frankly there's no other area I can think of where there's such a huge gap between what they THINK they're doing and what I see when I look at their stuff. Then again, visual art does not usually communicate something about life to me. Not the way films or music can. I guess I don't know how to look at visual art. So be it. I have framed album covers on the wall, beside blown up photos of my grandparents, beside framed Rothko and Man Ray posters, beside movie posters. The idea of pop art is a pretty obvious one for me but if indeed Warhol was the one who brought this idea to the world (as opposed to say Lichtenstein) then he deserves a lot of credit. I know one thing. My former artist friends worshipped Andy. And none of them were even remotely pop artists. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Alan, speak out about Guy Maddin! Date: 26 Mar 2001 22:07:18 +0200 (CEST) > >Are Maddin's films anything similar to Cronenbergs? > > No. NO one makes films like Maddin. The only thing that vaguely reminds me > of Guy's films are stuff by the Brothers Quay, if you've ever heard of > them. Sure, I saw "Institute benjamenta" on a film festival some years ago, adored it and bought it on DVD a half year ago. Watched it again and got depressed. It just collided with my own life and my own fear of losing my attraction for women. You know in this film woman is a ruler, and she dies in the end. The men are set free from her institute. I did not find this disturbing the first time, but this time it got me paranoic. I actually thought that all women were about to die. Horrible. You know about my difficulties to experience something beyond myself... But it was an amazing imaginary world, and quite haunting. A film for the senses, just too sad for me. Well, it has some fun moments too. So if Maddin has such similar themes, I might better stay away. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 26 Mar 2001 21:22:48 +0100 Magnus Sandberg wrote: > Answer to Mo (1) > > My paranoia is that it feels like we are leaving > something I consider "essential" to man, nature, into a cyberworld > without any real values. In my little world digital technology and plastic > just is not nature ...I like the electronic sounds in the beginning,...it was playful corny and > fun, ... I liked sampling the way Mark Stewart and a lot of other groups (Der Plan too maybe, I > never found a record with them) And you're stilling worrying about not hearing those KPM records? > did it in the 80s, ...but the sounds (notice: I dont write 'z'ounds) today doesnt make me want to > slap my knees! There is such tiny bit of humour left. "I am a komputer I am always happy I am programmed, programmed on fortune I have no problems, I love bananas I am the komputer, who's just happy I don't want to be a human being, I am always happy I also have bananas in my fortune-programm I'm the komputer, I'm the fortune-programm I can do anything in my programm-world I can travel too in my programm I pick bananas at my programm-beach I am the komputer I am always happy I am programmed, programmed on fortune My creator was a man and long since he's dead I keep on living and I'm always happy That would be something for you humans, huh? but you never get it!" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tikiman Subject: (exotica) The Naked & the Dead Date: 26 Mar 2001 13:03:20 -0800 (PST) --- alan zweig wrote: > If the artists can't appear on the Grammies wearing > next to nothing, it's not going to take off. > Sometimes there are little temprorary trends. > Lounge was one of them. It's over. Some of us came >here via the lounge trend but that's not why we stayed. > Forget about the lounge revival. say it isn't so, Alan! guess we'll have to abandon plans for our 2nd release, "South of the Boudoir"... unless we can find those misplaced penis gourds we used to perform in. but seriously folks, it's not about irony, nostalgia, or campiness. for us, it's about love of genre and revival of a music that's evocative and complex... and bringing it forth in a new context. best, Fluid Floyd Taboo records __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 27 Mar 2001 00:06:36 +0200 (CEST) citerar edjunkita : > > That would be something for you > humans, huh? but you never get it!" You make everything sound so simple. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Classical "so what" Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:17:16 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:56:31 -0500 >From: "Risser Family" >Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical Snobbery > >Sorry. I think Haydn and Vivaldi are really boring. Would you like some recommendations? I haven't looked into Vivaldi much (except for the obvious stuff like the Seasons and L'Estro Armonico). But I can recommend some great Haydn. These are bargain priced CDs that are really good. Haydn: London Symphonies Vols 1 & 2 Phillips 2fers Colin Davis / Concertgebow String Quartets Op 76 Naxos Kodaly Quartet Any of the Symphonies in Antal Dorati's cycle are good too. >Mozart was nice and Beethoven was great. That is a HUGE chunk of great music there! Whole books have been written about "nice" and "great". >Classical music is just like most other pop music styles: >some people are fashionable and some aren't, with a few one >hit wonders and the true greats rising to the top. Most of the bad stuff has already been swept away with the passage of time. There isn't much classical music that is completely valueless. The thing most novices to classical music don't understand is the importance of the conductor. You can hear the same piece by two different conductors and it will be like night and day. If you hear Vivaldi and Haydn done by a really good conductor, you may do a complete turnaround. >I listen to all music and judge it based on whether I like it >or not, whichis the only criteria that's important to me. You won't like it if you don't understand it. You won't understand classical music if you don't think about it and do some research. It's worth the work. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) CD-R Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:17:21 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:45:09 EST >From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com >Subject: Re: (exotica) Nacar cd-r's > >there does not seem to be a rhyme or reason to any of the cheaper >CDs. i use some that are great then a batch is bad (rarely). >Anyone had similar experiences??? I did some research on CD-R a while back and I discovered that what worked with one burner, gave tons of errors on another. Price made absolutely no difference. I also found that the brand name didn't always mean that you were getting the same thing. Maxell CDR's for instance are made in two different factories. The ones with the smooth surface on top gave me tons of errors, while the ones with the grainier surface worked perfect. You just have to experiment, and when you find something you like buy a lot of it and put it in the closet. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Revivals and Film Music Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:17:24 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:58:26 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: Re: (exotica) Ironic Enjoyment > >I didn't bother with the swing revival because I don't really like swing >music. In fact, in general I don't like anything that can be described as >"party music". The original swing music wasn't always party music. It had a million different moods. Those Big Bad Hoodoo Nut Zippers just revived the loudest stuff and performed it sloppily. >You know, in general I think I always prefer the original stuff to the >"revival" stuff. That goes for blues. I don't really like any of these >new acoustic blues guys. >That goes for country. I hate New Country and even the new traditionalists >aren't as good as the originals. I'm with you on all of that. >I just think it's hard, even impossible, to recreate a genre. It's possible for a genre of the past to be an influence, but you don't get any further than being a poor second to stuff by imitating it. One thing that really irritated me about the Squirrel Nut Zippers was the way the band was doing sloppy Hot Fives and Sevens while the girl singer was aping Billy Holiday. There is a huge time spread between those influences, and they did nothing to make the combination sound anything but arbitrary. >Actually the place where the lounge revival has been most influential - and >I think successful - is in scoring movies and TV and commercials. I can't >tell you how many times a movie is elevated for me by a soundtrack that >reminds me of my favorite soundtracks from the sixties. Most of the time, it reminds you of your favorite music from way back when, it's because it's the same music. When my boss did the Ren & Stimpy show, he didn't have much money for music scores. Most cartoons of the time used noodly synthesizer music, which didn't feel right at all to him. The contemporary stock music libraries weren't much better. They sounded more like the Rockford Files than a cartoon show. So he went to a music library house and asked them to pull out their oldest LP music libraries for him to listen to. He found the KPM library and licensed it for a minuscule price. When R&S hit it big, the company that owned the KPM library immediately jacked the price up to astronomical figures. Now, we can't afford to use it any more... We have to use other vintage libraries, and try to keep the licensing companies from finding out it's good stuff so they can't raise the price of that on us too! See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Bach Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:17:18 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:21:02 +0100 >From: Moritz R >Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical Snobbery > >bigshot schrieb: > >> The one advantage that classical music has is time. Most of the >> totally worthless dreck has fallen out of circulation in the >> hundreds of years of changes in repetoire. > >this statement is a total contradiction to what you said about Bach. >Apparently he was down and out for 200 years, considered as the dry >calculating mathematics musician, and then rediscovered and now we think >he's the greatest. Bach was well known in academic circles, but his music wasn't designed for the modern orchestra. When Stokowski and others did transcriptions of his work for a large orchestra, the general public rediscovered Bach. The recent period performance craze has helped his music even more popular. With Bach it wasn't so much a matter of the music falling out of the repetoire because it was bad, as much as it was a matter of it becoming inconvenient to perform. There are piano pieces by Alkan that have become obscure because of the fiendish technical demands it puts on the pianist, and there are romantic pieces that require such a large orchestra and chorus that it isn't financially practical to mount a performance of them. The music may still be good though. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Lawrence Welk Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:17:26 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:29:06 -0500 >From: clayton black >Subject: Re:(exotica) Paul Mauriat > >> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > >- --MS_Mac_OE_3068490546_340114_MIME_Part >Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > >Oddly enough, I find Welk and Percy Faith interesting, but not Kostelanetz >or Mantovani. Welk (or, perhaps more properly, George Cates) has surprised >me on a number of occasions. I like all of the Coral label Welk records I've found. Especially the ones with that 1950's TV hammond organ playing along with the band. I just got a set of two 45rpm extended play singles that were sold by Welk at the Aragon Ballroom to fans in the fifties. I haven't gotten a chance to listen to them yet, but I have high hopes for them. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Bach Date: 27 Mar 2001 00:47:43 +0200 bigshot schrieb: > > With Bach it wasn't so much a matter of the music falling out > of the repetoire because it was bad, as much as it was a matter > of it becoming inconvenient to perform. na ja... ok... i still think, and that's what I wanted to remark, that ageing does not automatically tell the good from the bad. (my father always told me this lie: "quality will always succeed in the long run" I don't believe it!) Each age has its own point of view on the past and there's a constant selecting, abondaning and rediscovering. Quality is relative to the expectation a potential recipient has towards art. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-R Date: 27 Mar 2001 00:49:43 +0200 bigshot schrieb: > You just have to experiment, > and when you find something you like buy a lot of it and put it in > the closet this seems to be the best idea. I just did it and bought tons of Tevion CD-R 80 pure silver. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Mo Misquote Date: 26 Mar 2001 15:13:25 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:34:22 +0200 >From: Moritz R >Subject: Re: (exotica) the shaggs > >"F. Cobalt" schrieb: > >To have visions *is* a talent, to be able to play an >instrument is only a talent, if there is a vision involved with it. >Otherwise the player has just developed the skill to be come a machine. I >think this is basically why Steve's argumentation had to fail. This is a pretty sophomoric debating technique here. You're deliberately misquoting me to set up a straw man argument. Argue what I ACTUALY said. Great music and great art is a combination of creative vision and real skills. Skill without vision is empty. Vision without skill in execution is a waste of a good idea. Artists and musicians today may have great ideas, but they don't have anywhere near the experience and chops of artists and musicians of the past. They use technology and "found art" theories as a crutch to avoid developing real skills. They use talk to justify their laziness instead of proving their ideas in practice. Before you start claiming victory and slapping yourself on the back in congratulation, you might want to acknowledge what I actually said instead of putting words in my mouth. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Revivals and Film Music Date: 27 Mar 2001 01:11:45 +0200 bigshot schrieb: > Most of the time, it reminds you of your favorite music from way > back when, it's because it's the same music. When my boss did > the Ren & Stimpy show, he didn't have much money for music scores. > Some tunes in Ren & Stimpy are excellent choices and definitely owe to the success of the show. I'd really like to know what some of these pieces are; one mysterious melody I heard a couple of times in different episodes is played by some bells. It appears f.i. in the episode Yak Shaving Day, when the yak comes out of the bath tub at night. Do you happen to know what I'm talking about? Speaking of film music: It's still a shame how film music and sound engeneering is underestimated. You could clearly see this again when you watched a bit of the academy award show. For me the soundtrack is really half of the truth of a film and the artists who work on it deserve the same attention as the rest. Same with set designers, of course, (uh-humm!) Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Mo Misquote Date: 27 Mar 2001 01:22:38 +0200 bigshot schrieb: > > Before you start claiming victory and slapping yourself on the > back in congratulation, you might want to acknowledge what I > actually said instead of putting words in my mouth. come on, Steve. This is not about winning. I actually believe, this was, what you quintessentially said. If you see things in a more differentiated light now, the better. I have definitely profitted from the discussion and consider your points as valuable for me, even if I see things a bit different here and there. I'd count that, if anything, as a victory, but hopefully not only for me. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) shaggs chronology Date: 26 Mar 2001 18:25:48 -0500 "Philosophy Of The World" was recorded & released in 1969. Reissued by NRBQ in 1980. Early 80s would be when I first heard about them and then heard them. More murkily... "Shaggs Own Thing" was recorded in 1975, some tracks earlier. Released in 1975, 1982? "The Shaggs" released 1988, some sort of compilation of the earlier albums. Aaaand, the first volume of "Incredibly Strange Music" came out in 1993. The first volume doesn't actually mention The Shaggs, or at least they don't appear in the index. They get two brief mentions in Volume 2. The mentioned New Yorker article can be seen online here: http://shaggs.com/meet_the_shaggs.html --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tikiman Subject: (exotica) The Naked & the Dead Date: 26 Mar 2001 15:35:17 -0800 (PST) --- alan zweig wrote: > If the artists can't appear on the Grammies wearing > next to nothing, it's not going to take off. > Sometimes there are little temprorary trends. > Lounge was one of them. It's over. Some of us came >here via the lounge trend but that's not why we stayed. > Forget about the lounge revival. say it isn't so, Alan! guess we'll have to abandon plans for our 2nd release, "South of the Boudoir"... unless we can find those misplaced penis gourds we used to perform in. but seriously folks, it's not about irony, nostalgia, or campiness. for us, it's about love of genre and revival of a music that's evocative and complex... and bringing it forth in a new context. best, Fluid Floyd Taboo Records __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) the Shaggs Date: 26 Mar 2001 16:20:09 -0800 >"F. Cobalt" schrieb: > >To have visions *is* a talent, to be able to play an >instrument is only a talent, if there is a vision involved with it. >Otherwise the player has just developed the skill to be come a machine. I >think this is basically why Steve's argumentation had to fail. I don't exactly think that having a vision equals having a talent. I do think that many have visions without the skills to execute their ideas as precisely as they can conceive them. And I also think that a lot of people have talent or skills, but no visions or ideas to execute with that talent. Like a lot of self-taught artists, who are perhaps assaulted with hallucinations and try to paint or draw what they see. They might come up with some strange art done in crayons that is interesting despite lack of artistic skill. And certainly there are many with perhaps musical skills and training who have no personal ideas to execute -- perhaps they end up becoming producers or playing in a symphony. The Shaggs had some training, they wrote some unusual but intriguing song lyrics, their father put them into a studio, they did what they could. But I don't think it would have endured if it wasn't likeable, or if the punk movement or No Wave movement hadn't happened, or if there hadn't been something else to compare it to for a reference point. There are plenty of other artists out there who have made not so good music but had these fascinating ideas to explore. The Shaggs are good for a laugh, or because they make your brain stop working for a few minutes. They provide a reference point toward which to try to understand personal values and opinions about art. Like, what is good music as opposed to bad music? Those things some of us have been trying to come to terms with on this list. But who wants to talk about the Kids from Widney High? No one, cause it's not nice to make fun of kids with disabilities. Mr. Unlucky Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 27 Mar 2001 03:30:28 +0200 tell that to Moritz... Magnus Sandberg wrote: > citerar edjunkita : > > > > > That would be something for you > > humans, huh? but you never get it!" > > You make everything sound so simple. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Revivals and Film Music Date: 27 Mar 2001 03:54:14 +0200 I think that the soundtrack is MORE than half of the truth of a film. Watch a Hitchcock film with the sound off. Then listen to the film without watching it. The sound is what gives the film it's atmosphere and emotion. The picture gives the atmosphere a context and functions to distract and hypnotise the audience, letting the soundtrack work on a more unconscioius level. Moritz R wrote: > Speaking of film music: It's still a shame how film music and sound engeneering is underestimated. You could clearly see this again when you watched a bit of the academy award show. For me the soundtrack is really half of the truth of a film and the artists who work on it deserve the same attention as the rest. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiny Tim tv Date: 26 Mar 2001 19:15:55 -0600 "m.ace" wrote: > It was classic E! cheese, straight from the template. They even had a "walking > expert" shot, as explained so well by Alan last week -- though in a daring > variation, they had their expert walking on an urban sidewalk. Yes, E! never fails to go for the sleaze. Guess I'll have to wait for someone to film his biopic for the big screen. Let's hope Jim Carrey's not interested. I missed Alan's explanation, unfortunately, but my favorite walking expert shot is from The Rutles when Eric Idle starts of at a leisurely pace and then has to keep picking up speed to keep up with the camera until he's in a flat-out run. > but how about some of those ex-managers?! That cousin of his they interviewed definitely wins the Cracked Mirror Award. Yikes! So when is Warner Brothers going to re-release "God Bless Tiny Tim" here in the US? -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: (exotica) Re: (Exotica) Guy Maddin Date: 26 Mar 2001 21:56:15 -0500 Magnus wrote: > You mentioned the filmmaker Guy Maddin some days ago, a friend of > yours if I understanded correctly. Did you mention the word "genius" as > well...? I keep getting recommendations to buy his films from > Amazon.com, and I recently read a couple of positive reviews of 'Tales > from the Gimli Hospital' and 'Careful' which are released on DVD. Ah, you didn't get the whole story here. Cheryl's youngest sister has a part in Careful (chained to a rock and wearing a leopard skin...) We were lucky enough to get to visit the set during filming, in an old abandoned grain silo in the darkest part of a very cold Winnipeg winter. They used large amounts of dried potato flakes to make snow. Pretty amazing stuff! I don't know who connected him with the Brothers Quay but its a good comparison along with maybe Lars Von Trier. Anyway Guy is considered a filmmaker's filmmaker, as in he makes the kind of films that he wants. It's made him a quasi cult figure all over the world but you could never meet a nicer or more more unassuming person. His influences are German expressionist films of the early 20th century and he only listens to music if it is on a 78... the source of all the music in his films. They're not light, or in any way upbeat, but Magnus you live in Sweden so you should be used to this in films no? > Canadian cinema to me is Cronenberg, I guess you're not surprised that > I like his films. A friend of mine, who has seen a lot more films than > I tells me canadian films are always partly claustrophobic, in the way > that much of the action take place indoors. Very few moments of fresh > air and blue healthy sky. Its the combination of low budgets and long winters I'm afraid. The Quebec films are generally much different than those coming out of English Canada but are in some ways they can be even more introspective. I should add I'm not a particular fan of Cronenberg except for the early horrror films he made in these great 60's apartment towers in Montreal. But to give Canadian films another, more refreshing perspective, look for the recent DVD two-fer release of the 60's Quebec soft porn features "Valerie" and "L'Initiation". Montreal in the 60's was a hot spot of flower power culture, so its a visual treat and lots of good now sounds. The DVD has full French and English dubbed versions of both films. It's released by Lions Gate Films. Worth it for the music and vintage Montreal footage alone! > As a nature-lover (as we swedes mostly are), I find my friends > observation rather odd, considering our countries similar looks, lots > of huge forests, wildlife, mountains etc One thing about Canada is that the huge majority of its population lives in a very few concentrated areas, mostly within 100km of the US border in three major metropolitan agglomerations, and that is where most of the films, especially those with larger budgets are made, so it isn't necessarily that representative of the country at large. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) who's the Straw man? (with apologies to Will) Date: 26 Mar 2001 22:37:14 -0500 At 03:13 PM 3/26/01 -0800, bigshot wrote: > >Argue what I ACTUALY said. You said so many things. It's hard to keep them straight. You can't really blame someone for a slight mischaracterization here and there. For instance, you said that the editing process is no more significant to the film than a frame is to a painting. Would it be putting words in your mouth if I extapolated that you believe that the person at the art gallery who chooses the frame is as much an artist as a film editor? Would I be creating a straw man? I want to make sure so that when I turn to the person who said that and say "That's stupid!", I'll know I have the right person. you continue: > Great music and great art is a combination of creative > vision and real skills. > Skill without vision is empty. > Vision without skill in execution is a waste of a good idea. You're hardly one to talk when it comes to the use of rhetorical devices. You're a master of the circular argument. This is your argument in a nutshell: 1) Great music can only be made by great musicians. 2) People who make sample-based music are not great musicians. 3)Therefore sample-based music cannot be great. Some of us here enjoy sample-based musict? How are we supposed to respond to your pronouncements? You told me that I've been listening to crap all my life? Is that because I didn't hold my music up to your famous standards? How would you like me to think of music in the future now that you've set me straight? Maybe it should go like this: "Is this an example of vision but no execution? No? Is this an example of execution but no vision? No? Well it must be one of those things because Stephen says it's bad". > Artists and musicians today may have great ideas, but > they don't have anywhere near the experience and chops > of artists and musicians of the past. What period exactly are you speaking of when you say "The Past"? Do you mean yesterday? The day before yesterday? The eighties? The sixties? Can you tell us what happened that made today's musicians have less chops and experience than past musicians? I don't need to set up a straw man when someone's making unsupportable blanket statements like yours. No straw man could say anything more useless than: "The reason why music in the past was better than music now is because musicians in the past were better than musicians now". you continue: > They use technology and "found art" theories as a crutch to avoid developing > real skills. They use talk to justify their laziness > instead of proving their ideas in practice. Those are empty words from someone who doesn't like a certain kind of music and needs to pretend he actually has a reason. There's no difference between you and some fogie who criticizes Picasso for not being able to draw well. "You don't have the skill to draw a bowl of fruit so it will look like a bowl of fruit. So you hide your lack of skill behind this new art movement you've made up". How could anyone argue with that person? >Before you start claiming victory and slapping yourself on the >back in congratulation, you might want to acknowledge what I >actually said instead of putting words in my mouth. In the history of this list, no one has so badly wanted to win an argument as YOU. No one has brought out so much argument of that type as your posts. We're pretty good at agreeing to disagree here. I've told people I don't like the music they like. But except for one unfortunate slip when I was a little too enthusiastic in my disdain for Edmondo Ros, I've never told anyone they were wrong for liking what they liked. You go even further than that. You try to tell them WHY they're wrong. It's not working. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jim gerwitz" Subject: (exotica) Crouching Tiger & HK Date: 26 Mar 2001 19:53:50 -0800 Various replies to several posts: 1. Coco Lee is a recording star in Asia and records for Sony. Sony Pictures Classics is a tentacle of the Sony giant squid and distributed CTHD in the US. Stick a song at the end of a movie and you have a single, hopefully a crossover hit while Celine and Shania have babies and Mariah/Whitney/J-Lo hang with the bad boys. At least the Bond movies put the songs with the main titles. The rest of the score is good but works best with the movie. The cello solos by YoYo Ma are achingly beautiful, setting the mood for a beautiful film. Glad to see Peter Pau win the Oscar for cinematography, after his excellent work on Bride of Chucky(great DVD), Bride With White Hair, Eagle Shooting Heroes and Naked Killer. 2. Can't bring myself to read all of Mondo Macabro because there is too much stuff I'll want to see from Indonesia and Turkey and god knows where. The section on HK films is a decent overview and covers the highlights. Generally you can't go wrong with a film produced or directed or acted in by Tsui Hark, who brought a special brand of wacky magic to HK. I agree with all of Charles' previous TH recommendations including Peking Opera Blues, Chinese Ghost Story etc. but must add the early swordplay fantasy Zu:Warriors of the Magic Mountain (and a sequel is in the works!). Wong Kar-Wai is an acquired taste but I do want to see In the Mood for Love. Here's my short list of HK must-sees for those who want to take a walk on the wild side. The historical or period movies usually have very nice traditional music, exotic to my western ears. Full Contact: Heroic Bloodshed genre in which Chow Yun-Fat shoots bullets, bullets and more bullets, with the great Simon Yam as the effete villain. Fong Sai Yuk 1: Jet Li (and his mom) kick ass and everything else in a funny period martial arts movie with amazing wire work. Naked Killer: High fashion lesbian hit ladies, with chipmunk-faced HK goddess Chingmy Yau. Sex & Zen: Hysterical historical sex comedy. Go read a review somewhere. Erotic Ghost Story: Sexy and elegant, fine music. As I posted last year, this is in the genre I call "Lutes, Flutes and Birthday Suits." Royal Tramp: Superstar smart-aleck comedian Stephen Chow in a historical martial arts comedy with especially raunchy humor. And many, many more......... Recommended book - Sex and Zen and A Bullet In the Head by Stefan Hammond Best review site: http://brns.com/ DVD reference: www.asiandvdguide.com HK store www.dddhouse.com I'm seeing more and more Region 1 DVD releases with both an english dub and the original cantonese tracks with subtitles. Wing chun, Heroic Trio, etc. Jb # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: (exotica) a question for the scanning experts Date: 26 Mar 2001 20:31:03 -0800 Hey gang - I've got this occasional scanning problem that pops up, maybe someone could come to my rescue. I don't think it's a moire pattern - but maybe it is. It looks like stripes. I've tried scanning with a descreen filter, but have had no luck getting rid. The only thing that sometimes works is rotating the LP slightly (rather than keeping it square on the glass). But its a pain when it comes to stitching. Here is a perfect example of the flaw: http://www.basichip.com/covers/female_animal.jpg By this way, know this one? Scored by Clay Pitts. Angelique (Arlene Tiger) wishes to spend her life in bed fulfilling her most intimate erotic fantasies with her pussycat. She leaves her furry feline friend to live with a rich Count. She quickly rises from maid to mistress, satisfying the diverse sexual appetites of her employer and his playboy son. Included are a lesbian love session and her seduction of the Count's homosexual stable boy, who often prefers horses to men. After several torrid erotic affairs, she plans to return to her first love, the cat. As is often the case with OSTs, only a couple of standout tracks. Anyway, if someone could offer a suggestion as to how to "destripe", it would be most appreciated! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) re:CTHD Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:24:55 +0800 >The song at the end...unfortunately one of those Hollywood things. I >wonder if all other genre films do the same or if CTHD was designed to fit >the Hollywood mold? is this really a hollywood thing? a good number of hk action movies come with some song at the end over the credits often sung by the star(i.e. jackie chan, andy lau...). the song seemed more or less typical coco li to me. she is a HUGE star in asia for those that don't know. but i still find her boring. as for the ost i have heard that the asian version of the ost is different from the western one. but i don't know how. if it is just packaging or if songs are missing. sort of like the western version of the in the mood for love ost which is missing some tracks. i don't have the CTHD ost so i can't compare notes. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Revivals and Film Music Date: 27 Mar 2001 10:14:30 +0200 edjunkita schrieb: > I think that the soundtrack is MORE than half of the truth of a film. > Watch a Hitchcock film with the sound off. Then listen to the film without > watching it. The sound is what gives the film it's atmosphere and emotion. Exactly! I'm so glad that someone else sees it that way. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 27 Mar 2001 10:15:09 +0200 edjunkita schrieb: > "I am a komputer > I am always happy... Where did you find this? I wasn't aware this was ever translated into English... Magnus Sandberg wrote: >My paranoia is that it feels like we are leaving > something I consider "essential" to man, nature, into a cyberworld > without any real values. In my little world digital technology and plastic > just is not nature I think everybody with a heart knows this feeling. I do think though, it is in fact paranoia. It's an illusion that the world was better in the past. It depends on what you focus your attention on. If you'd really had lived in the 50s, in that glorious time when your favorite music was played, you'd seen other things, that you would not have liked. Most people, who were our age in the 50s, tell us, that the 50s were an awful time, full of cold war, sexual repression, hunger in the 3rd world, ethnic intolerance... What you see of it today, are the few pearls of human creativity that always helped to make the planet a better place. You are one of these creative people and you can be happy about it without any feeling of guilt. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) shaggs chronology Date: 27 Mar 2001 10:15:17 +0200 "m.ace" schrieb: > "Philosophy Of The World" was recorded & released in 1969. Reissued by NRBQ > in 1980.... > (...) thanks Mike for the details. memory fades and fiction becomes fact eventually. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: FW: (exotica) paul mauriat Date: 27 Mar 2001 10:41:27 +0100 What is wrong with this list??!? About every second email I send = doesn't arrive. And what's this about Microsoft 'filtering' emails - a joke = only I hope. "But I was in Mr Bongo on Friday [no joy on the Nico Gomez mind : ( ] and they had a couple of paul Mauriat LP's = for sixty UKPounds each. I double checked. Thats what about 90 US Dollars = at the moment. I haven't heard anything by him even remotely 60 quid good." They often do that in Mr Bongo. 50p records on the wall for = =A330-=A3100 as a joke. Did you ask about them? They normally get really intense about non-existent breaks and the like. Last one I saw was a Percy Faith LP = for =A355. Maybe the net is the place for Nico Gomez. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) Library LPs Date: 27 Mar 2001 11:06:27 +0100 I've just listed a load of library records on Ebay for those that care. Please don't all have a go at me for advertising my wares on this list. In fact, please don't bid on any of the records - they are all overpriced and I wouldn't want to take your money. I thought you might be interested, thats all. :-) And typically, I've checked out Ebay for some of things I'm trying to flog off and there's loads of underpriced records and bargains on there at the moment. I thought Ebay prices were supposed to be high. My hardly played copy of Jean Jacques Perrey's Mig Mag Moog MP2000 library LP is going. I never listen to it, it's worth quite a bit and I can think of better things to do with the money. I'm not even sure why I was so intent of getting it in the first place. Maybe someone else will appreciate its electronic noodling more than me. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 27 Mar 2001 14:16:47 +0200 (CEST) citerar Moritz R : > I think everybody with a heart knows this feeling. I do think though, it is > in fact paranoia. It's an illusion that the world was better in the past. > It depends on what you focus your attention on. If you'd really had lived > in the 50s, in that glorious time when your favorite music was played, > you'd seen other things, that you would not have liked. Most people, who > were our age in the 50s, tell us, that the 50s were an awful time, full of > cold war, sexual repression, hunger in the 3rd world, ethnic intolerance... > What you see of it today, are the few pearls of human creativity that > always helped to make the planet a better place. You are one of these > creative people and you can be happy about it without any feeling of guilt. It would be so much better if I actually could help to make this world better, like you do Moritz. but in my work anger desperation hate and violence has been the key ingridience. And one part of me is ashamed over this. There is a singer, who came forward during the punk years here in Sweden, a very sad guy who found something of a home in the dark, he later made horror influenced music, and used a lot of "bad" drugs, anyway now he sings childrensongs and old swedish humouros songs, classics, and he says that it was just another way of expressing himself. He did not think he could do it, but when he tried, nice things came out. He has suffered a lot in his life, but he managed to change something that was just heading down in a darkness. I like this guy, and I want to try too. I love monsters but I fight them in my dreams I think god has these barriers put up to scare us, and he really has managed to scare me. I have felt my soul nearly disappear into a song, it was digital music. In a way we merged, but I dont feel happy about it, I feel it just like I have been raped. I have seen these little aliens pop up before my eyes, and I dont like them. I like to fight them. No emotion, no pain: Our superior in every way. Lets call it a paranoia, since I was sick I am in total control of my self, a new experience for me, I am used to feel depressed, now that I am not I am depressed that I am not depressed. I have no particular reason, maybe everything is good. I scream sometimes because noone understands me, I talk with my therapist but it doesnt help. I should probably scream in another forum, but this is an "exotica" list with intelligent, kind people. You should know my mood swings by now, when he is sad, dont listen, just erase :) Magnus And blah blah blah... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 27 Mar 2001 13:45:12 +0100 Ummmmmm, What? Is everybody alright? Is there something in the water? My mate's 45 has just been re-released on red vinyl. One side is Kraftwerk's Numbers with Whitney Houston's I Wanna Dance With Somebody accapella over the top. The other side is the Human League's Being Boiled with TLC's No Scrubs accapella over the top. The fantastic cover features Kraftwerk's Man Machine cover with Whitney's head superimposed on all four members of Kraftwerk. The record got single of the week in NME by a reviewer who went on about the meeting of proto-electronic rhythms and sugary bland pop music. Rough Trade were the only suppliers. 600 sold so far and now 300 more are in existence. Rock on! Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Mr. Warhol Date: 27 Mar 2001 14:49:21 +0200 robert blahut schrieb: > > > > > >If you want to learn how Warhol really came up with his pop art > >concept, read his own words in his book (I forgot the title, was it > >"Pop" or "Pop Art"?), > > i think the title is "popism" yeah, right, "Popism", that what it's called. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: (Exotica) Guy Maddin Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:03:32 +0200 (CEST) citerar Brian : His > influences are German expressionist films of the early 20th century and he > only listens to music if it is on a 78... the source of all the music in > his > films. They're not light, or in any way upbeat, but Magnus you live in > Sweden so you should be used to this in films no? Off course, sounds temptating, is it Careful or Gimli one should try out first. Thanks for the little lecture on Canadian film! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: (exotica) Library LPs Date: 27 Mar 2001 05:33:41 -0800 Charles wrote: >there's loads of underpriced records and bargains on there at the > moment. I thought Ebay prices were supposed to be high. That's just an old wives tale! The part about prices being high. The loads of bargins is quite true. I don't know why I continue to encourage those who stand firm in their dislike of ebay to come around, the less competition, the better! I'm just that kinda guy :) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: (exotica) Canada Date: 27 Mar 2001 08:30:07 -0500 > One thing about Canada I want to recommend a book I picked up cheaply a few months back. I haven't read it yet, but I have no doubts it will be an entertaining and wothwhile read. Its called 'Mondo Canuck - a Canadian Pop Culture Odyssey' written by Geoff Pevere and Greig Dymond (1996 Prentice Hall) Among the articles inside.... - Five Totally Weird Cover Versions of Paul Anka's "My Way" - The Nine Ickiest Moments from David Cronenburg's Movies - Six Reasons Why the Guess Who was the Ultimate Canadian Band - Dan Hill's Hit From Hell (about the late 70's song 'Sometimes When We Touch") - The Worst Canadian Singles of All Time - Punk Rock Songs about Hockey - The Down-Home Tradition That will not Die (about maritime jubilee and country tv shows) - Canadian Easy Listening (with short write-ups about Guy Lombardo, Percy Faith, Hagood Hardy, Frank Mills, David Foster, and Celine Dion) - The Evolution of Canadian Pop - Shatner Sings - Stompin' Tom Connors (with a list of essential Stompin' Tom Tunes) There's a quote from Gordon Lightfoot next to an article about him .... "To hear 'Early Morning Rain' done with flugelhorns kind of makes me feel good. I actually heard that in an elevator once and it was good. I was proud" also articles on Rush, Anne Murray, SCTV, Jim Carrey, the Dionne Quints. Expo 67, Canadian Game Shows, Bachman Turner Overdrive, Kids in the Hall, Marshall McLuhan, Anne Murray, Leslie Nielsen, the RCMP, Rush, a few famous others, and quite a few articles on Canadian film. A blurb from the back cover ..... "The first work to take Canadian culture seriously enough to trash some national treasures and dig the treasures out of the nation's trash, Mondo Canuck marks Canada's pop cultural coming of age." Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:47:35 +0200 (CEST) Canada also had a terrific exotica group, Jimmy Namaro Trio, "Driftwood" LP Dot. Asian and south sea inflenced exotica. Very nice. Is Shatner a canadian? There will be a DVD relase of the movie INCUBUS (1965) where he plays the lead. It must be the only horror movie in esperanto. Here is a review from IMDB: This gloriously weird film, long thought lost, recently resurfaced when a single print (in excellent condition) was discovered in the Cinematheque Francaise in Paris. It has proved well worth the wait. Want to see a pre-Trek William Shatner woo a sexy demoness entirely in Esperanto? Well here's your chance (just don't use this film as a guide to the language -- the actors' Esperanto pronunciation is pretty awful). The cinematography (by Academy Award winner Conrad Hall) is top- notch and makes this film a must-see for any film buff, psychotronic or otherwise. I look forward to this film! Anyone seen it? Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 27 Mar 2001 16:57:26 +0200 Magnus Sandberg schrieb: > in my work anger desperation hate and violence has been the key ingridience. And one part of me is ashamed over this. But that's alright, Magnus! The dark things are also important and helpful for others. Burn your feelings of guilt! Put ice cubes into the shirt of shame! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) a question for the scanning experts Date: 27 Mar 2001 10:21:39 -0500 >I've got this occasional scanning problem that pops up, maybe someone could >come to my rescue. > >I don't think it's a moire pattern - but maybe it is. It looks like >stripes. I've tried scanning with a descreen filter, but have had no luck >getting rid. I've run into that. A friend who knows "old school" printing suggested that the source material used the duo-tone dot pattern. You might be able to find a specific filter for duo-tone, but I gave up, myself. Other than finding a special filter, you might want to try scanning at different dpi settings and see if any of them make an improvement. It's a pretty nasty problem. m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro Date: 27 Mar 2001 10:54:41 -0500 At 03:47 PM 3/27/01 +0200, Magnus Sandberg wrote: >Canada also had a terrific exotica group, Jimmy Namaro >Trio, "Driftwood" LP Dot. Asian and south sea inflenced exotica. Very >nice. Jimmy Namaro was a guy who played around town almost all my life. Maybe still does. He's one of a handful of guys who did everything. All the sessions. All the TV studio gigs. And the jazz gigs too. Moe Koffman, recently mentioned here, was part of the same "mafia". And they all made records too. Most of them were released on this label CTL which wasn't really a label, I don't think. CTL stands for Canadian Talent Library and I always got the feeling that these records were more a service for radio stations than really for the public consumption. I have a bunch of easy listening and Now Sound records but I don't think I have one that qualifies as exotica. Unfortunately after Hagood Hardy quit Martin Denny (I'm not dreaming that right?) he abandoned exotica for something a bit more middle-of-the-road. I still hold out hope for great Canadian exotica records. When I was a kid, there was a restaurant here called "The Ports of Call" which had all these exotic-themed restaurants under one roof. I'm sure there's an exotica record out there somewhere "Live from the Ports of Call". As far as Mondo Canuck goes, one of the writers of that is actually in my film. With all this stuff coming up, it seemsl like maybe I've been holding out on you. On second thought, I don't think so. There are some records here and there that some of you would like. Jury Krytiuk's record of Bacharach covers comes to mind. It's not nearly as good as the great Bacharach baroque record but it's my second favorite all Bacharach record. I try to resist national pride but of course there's interesting stuff up here and by and large, our neighbours to the south don't have a clue about any of it. There's a show here where they do a segment called "Talking to Americans" and they do these "man-on-the-street" interviews all over the States where the guy asks Americans questions like "Did you hear that in Canada, our Prime Minister Tim Horton has made automatic transmission legal for cars?" and the reaction is "Way to go Canada!" (Tim Horton was a hockey player who is now mostly known for a chain of donut shops.) When he interviewed candidate George Bush, he referred to our Prime Minister Chretien as "Prime Minister Poutine". You'll have to ask Brian, cheryl or Will for the exact ingredients but poutine is french fries with gravy and curds. You might think "Chretien, poutine, same thing". But you couldn't slip that kind of a joke past anybody up here, let alone candidates for national leadership. Anyway unless you want to start a list exclusively devoted to Canadian cultural endeavors, we're not going to cover them here. If you're into electronica of the slightly slow and moody type, I can recommend two newish CD's by local boys. One is brand new. He calls himself Manitoba (even though he's from Ontario) and the CD is called "Start Breaking My Heart" And a little older, a kid from Montreal calling himself "Jaffa" with a record called "Elevator". If you really want to hear anything more about things Canadian, just ask. And yes of course William Shatner is Canadian. And yes of course he did things up here before he did Star Trek. He did Shakespeare if you can imagine that. To. Be. Or. Not. To. Be. Canadian. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mark jung" Subject: Re: (exotica) a question for the scanning experts Date: 27 Mar 2001 16:17:32 you have a handsome variation of the classic moire pattern. try upping the DPI to 300 (or more) when you scan; you can always reduce it after you get it put together. >From: "basic hip" >I've got this occasional scanning problem that pops up, maybe someone could >come to my rescue. > >I don't think it's a moire pattern - but maybe it is. It looks like >stripes. I've tried scanning with a descreen filter, but have had no luck >getting rid. > >The only thing that sometimes works is rotating the LP slightly (rather >than >keeping it square on the glass). But its a pain when it comes to >stitching. > >Here is a perfect example of the flaw: > >http://www.basichip.com/covers/female_animal.jpg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 27 Mar 2001 20:21:07 +0200 Moritz R wrote: > edjunkita schrieb: > > > "I am a komputer > > I am always happy... > > Where did you find this? I wasn't aware this was ever translated into English... don't you know your own rekkids? ze lyriks are printed on ze inner sleeve in German und English, jawohl. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) full contact & maddin Date: 28 Mar 2001 00:46:03 +0800 Full Contact: Heroic Bloodshed genre in which Chow Yun-Fat shoots bullets, > bullets and more bullets, with the great Simon Yam as the effete villain. why do people think this film is so great? i've read tons of reviews saying this is some wonderful film but to this day it remains one of my least favourite hk movies. what's the appeal? am i missing something? i've been loving all the talk about guy maddin too! i keep planning to buy the "careful" dvd but am still trying to figure out how to get the best deal on postage(anyone want to reccomend a good source for dvds on line that has good service and cheap prices?). a few years ago i saw this at a film festival here in taipei(of course i had seen it years ago in seattle as well). they were showing a bunch of maddin films. i was super happy to be able to see them again on the big screen. before the movie started i looked around at the audience and wondered who are these freaks and why aren't they my friends? to this day i know very few people(here) into this kind of thing. and it always surprises me to see that there are people into these kind of things since just about everyone i meet here has very commercial tastes in movies and music. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: KPM Date: 26 Mar 2001 19:37:09 +0200 but here are the library LPs i do have, and that i think are worth getting, which means rated good or better; most of them with some comment: * Bruton Music: "Loony Tunes" LP, Bruton (music library) - rated 3/5 __________________________________ * Chappell: "Music for Drama vol. 2" LP, Chappell (music library) CIS 5009 mono, UK, 1969 - rated 3/5 __________________________________ * Dennis Farnon: "Dennis Farnon's Comedy Cuts" LP, Conroy (music library) BMLP 084, UK, 1971 - rated 3/5 Lots of different styles in 29 short tracks: cartoonish, circus, burlesque, latin, exotic, crime. __________________________________ * Ole Jensen & His Music: "Ole Jensen & His Music (Tearaway Brass)" LP, Chappell (music library) LPC 1047, UK, 1972 - rated 4/5 This album is untitled, but to identify it and to distinguis it from another (untitled) Ole Jensen album, I gave it the title of the first track. Very rare for a music library album: it's good from start to finish, with only 2 weak tracks! Lots of variation, but always cool. There's punchy brass, bossa nova, wordless vocals, Hammond blues, jazzy pop, beat, ez, crime jazz, and 1 exotica track with wordless voices. __________________________________ * Ole Jensen And His Music: "Ole Jensen & His Music (Big Beat)" LP, Chapell (music library) LPC 1038, UK, 1970 - rated 4/5 This album is untitled, but to identify it and to distinguis it from another (untitled) Ole Jensen album, I gave it the title of the first track. Very rare for a music library album: it's good from start to finish, with only 2 weak tracks! Lots of variation, but always cool. There's punchy brass, bossa nova, wordless vocals, Hammond blues, jazzy pop, beat, ez, and even a baroque track. __________________________________ * Koka: "Fantasy, Pastiche Sabotage" cd, Koka (music library), France, 1989, deleted - rated 4/5 Sonorisation novelty music. __________________________________ * Munich Concert Pop Orchestra: "It's All In The Beat" LP, Amphonic (music library) AMPS 117, UK, 1976 - rated 3/5 Nice & polished funk lite with strings and some Moog here and there. __________________________________ * Larry Robins Band: "Action and Activity" LP, Conroy (music library) BMLP 162, UK, 1977 - rated 3/5 Not bad at all, in a bent way, plastic funk rock, slightly towards disco, with pseudo-symphonic polished synth sounds. __________________________________ * Walt Rockman: "The Walt Rockman Moog Moods" LP, Conroy (music library) BMLP 119, UK, 1975 - rated 4/5 "Popcorn" sound Moog record, with 7 very good compositions by T. Tape and Walt Rockman; each of these is also presented as -- not that interesting -- Moog solo variations. __________________________________ * Reg Tilsley and His Orchestra: "Instrumental Pops No. 2" LP, Appolo (music library) 5002, UK, 1968 - rated 3/5 Largely upbeat big band __________________________________ * Various Artists: "Drive Beat" LP, Conroy (music library) BMLP 095, UK, 1972 - rated 4/5 Another untitled Conroy LP; "Drive Beat" is just the sound description of the first 4 tracks. "Sound Gallery/Inflight Entertainment" type of swinging Euro big band stuff, including several really good Latin tracks. Composed by J. Hawksworth, R. Owen and G. Somers. __________________________________ Johan ----- # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) full contact & maddin Date: 27 Mar 2001 19:10:11 +0200 (CEST) citerar William : the best > deal on postage(anyone want to reccomend a good source for dvds on line > that > has good service and cheap prices?). (1) http://www.dvdplanet.com -25% on all titles $6 shipping first disc (2) http://www.express.com -similar terms (3) http://www.dvdboxoffice.com -often the best choice, a canadian company that offers free shipping worldwide! They dont carry every title though, and on some titles they are expensive. You can find out the prices on all dvds at different mailorder sources here: http://www.dvdfile.com For spanish dvds: (site in english): http://wwwdvdgo.com for german dvds: http://www.1a-dvdshop.ch for french dvds: http://wwwdvdfr.com In germany they carry a 2disc set of Raumpatroille, in german though. I would need links to asian dvds sites Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "toyboat 99" Subject: Re: (exotica) a question for the scanning experts Date: 27 Mar 2001 12:09:06 -0600 > >I don't think it's a moire pattern - but maybe it is. It looks like > >stripes. I've tried scanning with a descreen filter, but have had no >luck > >getting rid. > >I've run into that. A friend who knows "old school" printing suggested that >the source material used the duo-tone dot pattern. You might be able to >find a specific filter for duo-tone, but I gave up, myself. I've been able to eliminate this problem 100 percent of the time by scanning at 400 dpi (not 350, but *400*) and then reducing the image back down to 72 dpi or whatever. Actually the descreen function provided with my recently-acquired Microtek software/scanner works well enough that I don't have to bother with the 400 > 72 thing anymore, but in the past scanning at 400 dpi was a foolproof method for me. Of course it took a bit longer, but it was worth the trouble. d. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) CD-R Date: 27 Mar 2001 20:44:16 +0200 Mo wrote: > this seems to be the best idea. I just did it and bought tons of > Tevion CD-R 80 pure silver. That's weird! I got a box of Tevion CD-Rs (74 mins.) for x-mas and they were the worst I ever had. I had to throw away 6 or 7 out of 10, because my pc didn't want to burn them. I never had any problems with all the other brands I used (TDK, Maxwell, Sony and some lesser known brands). Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) CD-R Question Date: 27 Mar 2001 13:49:52 EST I just bought a dual CD player/CDR-Maker (free-standing). Question: Can I put more than one CD-Single onto a CD-R? I am unable to get the CD-R to allow me to go beyond track #1.I am attempting to make a compilation of about 15 CD-Singles I have laying around. I am not going through my computer...Am I doing something wrong? Am I missing something?? Anyone??? Thanks in advance...JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) full contact Date: 27 Mar 2001 13:10:22 -0500 William: I'll agree with you about Full Contact. Maybe the film's too "cartoonish" for it's own good (ie: plot or lack of = it/characterization)? I didn't think it was that great. It's funny, a female friend watched The Killer and was just about ready to = toss her cookies given the simpy performance of the blind girl. Me being = a guy, I guess I didn't notice, but she pointed out (and she's right) that = the gal was all "oh oh, oooo" helpless and horribly stereotypical as the = "helpless beauty." *Very* bad characterization. What's that one film with the female robot - the soundtrack rips-off Tears = for Fears music!!! (But it's infectious none-the-less). The film's = really fun - Tsui Hark is in it as a nerdy scientist. =20 Speaking of films, I've been re-watching Mad Monster Party and enjoying = it. I'll make a very blatant and probably not needed assumption - but = that must be the same crew who worked on all of those 'Puppetoonish" = Christmas specials like Rudolph. It's a little weird after seeing those = holiday specials so many years. Sort of along the lines of anime chicks = getting violated by monsters.........I keep expecting Rudolph to show up = and light the way to Baron Frankenstein's castle!! The sets are amazing, and it's fun to see all of the attention to detail. = Not to mention that great theme song! =20 - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Library LPs Date: 27 Mar 2001 11:15:38 -0800 (PST) Yes, but shouldn't we pitch in and help one of our own. I'm sure he's just being modest. We are not too tight to help a homeboy out are we? > Charles wrote: > > >there's loads of underpriced records and bargains > on there at the > > moment. I thought Ebay prices were supposed to be > high. and --- basic hip wrote: > I don't know why I continue to encourage those who > stand firm in their > dislike of ebay to come around, the less > competition, the better! > I'm just that kinda guy :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:55:34 -0500 > There's a show here where they do a segment called "Talking to Americans" > and they do these "man-on-the-street" interviews all over the States where > the guy asks Americans questions like "Did you hear that in Canada, our > Prime Minister Tim Horton has made automatic transmission legal for cars?" > and the reaction is "Way to go Canada!" (Tim Horton was a hockey player > who is now mostly known for a chain of donut shops.) When he interviewed > candidate George Bush, he referred to our Prime Minister Chretien as "Prime > Minister Poutine". > You'll have to ask Brian, cheryl or Will for the exact ingredients but > poutine is french fries with gravy and curds. My favourite is where they get Americans to congratulate Prime Minister Tim Horton on his double double. (they're supposed to be broadcasting a special with just these clips sometime soon - anyone remember when?) As for poutine, it's french fries, topped with cheddar curds and brown gravy. When made with good quality fries (the real, home made greasy ones) and good cheese and gravy, it's quite a treat. More cholesterol than I care to think about, but every once in a while, it just hits the spot. Even the multinational junk food chains offer them here on the menu. from the junk food capital of canada, cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Subject: (exotica) death by chocolate Date: 27 Mar 2001 13:33:37 -0800 (PST) Death By Chocolate, Siesta (2001) Siesta has found another sweet & zany band, death by chocolate. Spoken word songs about chocolate, candy, food and many other assorted goodies. Angie Tillett speaks on some songs and sings on others in a very sincere cute young heavy British accented voice. There is something very Mike Alway/El records about this, but Siesta and Mike Alway seem to have a close relationship. I like the spoken word songs the best. She sounds more influenced by the Velvet Underground's spoken word song than by Ken Nordine or the beats, but her songs are about colors, ala Ken Nordine. Its a very fun listen because of the clever images Ms Tillet conjures up with her wordplay. Bubbly cute electronic instruments percolate behind her spoken word descriptions. Sky Blue, Orange, Ice Cold Lemonade and Olive Green spoken word songs are sandwiched in between or with more musical songs. This is a real treat. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) re:CTHD Date: 27 Mar 2001 14:25:40 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of William > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 11:25 PM > her boring. as for the ost i have heard that the asian version of > the ost is > different from the western one. but i don't know how. I believe the order is slightly different, i.e., the English version of the Coco Lee song is the first track on one version, and the last track on another (which makes it easier to skip). Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Holy Cow! Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:37:39 -0800 >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:45:12 +0100 >From: Charles Moseley >Subject: RE: (exotica) electronic sounds > >My mate's 45 has just been re-released on red vinyl. One side is Kraftwerk's >Numbers with Whitney Houston's I Wanna Dance With Somebody accapella over >the top. The other side is the Human League's Being Boiled with TLC's No >Scrubs accapella over the top. >The fantastic cover features Kraftwerk's Man Machine cover with Whitney's >head superimposed on all four members of Kraftwerk. >The record got single of the week in NME by a reviewer who went on about the >meeting of proto-electronic rhythms and sugary bland pop music. Rough Trade >were the only suppliers. 600 sold so far and now 300 more are in existence. I couldn't have hoped for a better proof to my argument. Save me one of those precious 300. "The check is in the mail". See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) The value of theories Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:37:32 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:37:14 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: (exotica) who's the Straw man? (with apologies to Will) > >You can't really blame someone for a slight mischaracterization here and >there. heheh... >Would it be putting words in your mouth if I extapolated that you believe >that the person at the art gallery who chooses the frame is as much an >artist as a film editor? Nope. I think there is a lot of thought that goes into presentation of exhibits in museum spaces. Certainly as much thought as goes into editing a documentary. Lighting, creating open spaces around the art, ordering it in a way that makes sense, etc... But is the presentation art in itself? Nope. The content is king. >This is your argument in a nutshell: >1) Great music can only be made by great musicians. >2) People who make sample-based music are not great musicians. >3)Therefore sample-based music cannot be great. All right. You got it right that time. >Some of us here enjoy sample-based music? How are we supposed to >respond to your pronouncements? Just because someone likes something, and enjoys it doesn't mean that it's art. I enjoy watching Cops and Blind Date on TV, but I wouldn't call them great art by any stretch of the imagination. If you simply said, "I like sampling... it is entertaining." I wouldn't have any disagreement with you. I'm sure that is an honest expression of how you feel. But that doesn't make any kind of argument about the merits of the technique. It just tells me what you like. >You told me that I've been listening to crap all my life? >Is that because I didn't hold my music up to your famous standards? I'd be interested to hear what your standards are. Maybe it's "I listen to what I like, and that is all I care about." That is perfectly fine. If you said, "My definition of art is that it's created by one person with one vision, and I don't think that orchestras playing symphonies by dead composers, or rock bands playing cover versions qualifies." that would be completely consistent with your criteria. Then your criteria would stand or fall based on how well it holds up in practice. Perhaps your criteria for art and music is "If I like it, it must be great." That is perfectly fine for you in a solipsist sense, but that particular criteria doesn't apply to anyone else. >How would you like me to think of music in the future now that >you've set me straight? Think about what you hear. Don't just rely on whether you "like" something, because you can like something today, and feel completely differently tomorrow. Unless you have reasons for thinking something is good, you can't express why it's good to other people. A recommendation of "Get this. It's good." is pretty meaningless. >What period exactly are you speaking of when you say "The Past"? It started declining in the early sixties. >Can you tell us what happened that made today's musicians have >less chops and experience than past musicians? In the first half of this century, performance was the most important thing about being a musician. If you couldn't step on stage and play with skill, you didn't get very many jobs. The musicians of the past built up hundreds of thousands of hours of experience playing their instruments, learning how to use them subtly and expressively, and experimenting with new techniques. They had the opportunity to do this because they were playing four or five sets a day, travelling the country at a million one-nighters. The Beatles proved that you didn't have to do this to be successful. They recorded for a month or so, overdubbed tracks, mixed out the mistakes, and released albums that made them more money than a traditional musician would make in 100 years. The bands that followed the Beatles emulated all of their worst attributes. They figured that recording technique is what mattered, not musicianship and skills. The ability to piece together a performance from a million tiny bits has led to a serious decline in skills. Now a musician doesn't even have to play an instrument. He can chop up bits of other people's performances and call it his own. I see this as a real decline. Last night I caught the tail end of a documentary with an interview with a composer who was trained classically to compose at a piano, writing out the score as he went. (I wish I had caught the name, but I came in after it had started.) He described how he discovered midi technology, and was so caught up in it, he abandoned his old method of composing, choosing instead to layer bits of performances and loop others to create rhythms. It showed him doing this in the interview. But after a few years of working in this new way, he looked back and did a serious re-evaluation of his work over the previous decade, and realized that he had lost a great deal when he abandoned the traditional way of composing. His music had become structureless and repetitive. Texture and sound quality had replaced melody and musical construction. When he looked objectively at his work he was horrified to discover that he hadn't grown a bit as a musician. He had only become more technically proficient. He immediately set his keyboard to a regular piano voice and returned to composing in musical notation instead of recording to computer. At the end of the interview he said something very interesting. He said, "Music hasn't improved or progressed since Bach... There are peaks and valleys, but the greatest of Bach's time is comparable to the greatest of any other era. The only advancement has been in technology." He didn't come right out and say that technological development also threatened the future of music, but he admitted that in his own personal case, it wasn't a positive thing at all. >No straw man could say anything more useless than: >"The reason why music in the past was better than music >now is because musicians in the past were better than >musicians now". See above. >you continue: >They use technology and "found art" theories as a crutch to avoid >developing real skills. They use talk to justify their laziness >instead of proving their ideas in practice. > >Those are empty words from someone who doesn't like a certain kind >of music and needs to pretend he actually has a reason. I've explained my criteria and the difference between that and my own personal taste pretty clearly I think. >There's no difference between you and some fogie who criticizes >Picasso for not being able to draw well. There is a huge difference there. Picasso COULD draw well. He started his artistic career striving after a more conventional set of artistic skills. His cubism and expressionism is a direct outgrowth of those traditional skills. That is why Picasso is a lot more effective an artist than those who started out doing abstract work. The same thing is true in my line of work... animation. I see portfolios of artists who draw in a stylized 50's way. But if you look at the REAL 50's stylized cartoons, there is a solid three dimensional structure underlying the stylization. But modern artists who draw stylized before they can draw straight end up making *every* angle wonky, and the drawings end up flat as a pancake. The truth is, you can't run until you can walk. Kids hate to hear that, but it's true. >I've never told anyone they were wrong for liking what they >liked. You go even further than that. You try to tell them >WHY they're wrong. You don't understand at all. I'm not saying what you should and shouldn't *like*. I'm telling you my criteria for deciding whether music is *great* or not. From what I hear on the list, it's even possible to make *likeable* music with the Wiggins sisters, but that sure isn't a model that any other musician should emulate. There is nothing at all wrong with trying to formulate theories about what makes music great. If you disagree with mine, come up with some better ones of your own that encompass everything you see as being important in great music. Then your opinions will mean a lot more to other people than if you just say, "I like this... I don't like that." See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Quicksilver Arguments Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:37:27 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:22:38 +0200 >From: Moritz R >Subject: Re: (exotica) Mo Misquote > >I actually believe, this was, what you quintessentially said. >If you see things in a more differentiated >light now, the better. Hehehe... There's an interesting logical fallacy in those two sentences. The first talks about your *perception* of what I said, the second assumes that since you now perceive what I said differently, then I must have changed my argument! I'm not making this stuff up as I go along. I've studied and thought a lot about this subject and have come up with theories that I test with every piece of music I listen to. Just as a flashback, here are a few of my posts where I stated that I'm NOT just interested in musical skill, but a blend of creativity AND skill: 3/15 > I require both musicality and musicianship from musicians. >I'm not saying that craftsmanship is ALL you need. I'm saying >that musicality without musicianship is at best "half-good". 3/14 >>Still, fake strings & various machines can certainly help to >>get a decent sound for cheap when you have an idea in your >>head & no other means. >I steadfastly refuse to accept that. With old music I don't >have to settle for half a loaf. >Since the 60's all of the arts have moved away from craftsmanship in >favor of "concepts". I prefer to have both. Older music has that. There ya go... See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Moire Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:37:36 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >I've got this occasional scanning problem that pops up, maybe someone could >come to my rescue. >I don't think it's a moire pattern - but maybe it is. It is a moire caused by the difference between your printers dot screen and the original halftone on the album. I came up with a pretty good way to eliminate this when I was scanning old comic books a while back. Scan at the absolute highest setting that you can. Then bring the image into Photoshop, or whatever you use and make it a full resolution jpeg with a heck of a lot of compression. Much more than you would normally use. Try saving it out to a few different compression settings to find the best one. What this does, is it keeps the black lines of text razor sharp while blurring just the magenta yellow and cyan dots of the halftone. When you then take that jpeg and reduce the size of it, the moire won't be nearly as bad. I tried playing with gaussian blurs, but they just ended up making it look fuzzy. This is the best technique I've found. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Mongoloid Choir Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:37:30 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >But who wants to talk about the Kids from Widney High? No one, cause it's >not nice to make fun of kids with disabilities. A friend of mine rents PA equipment for concerts, and one gig he did was for a Mongoloid Choir singing a tribute to the Beatles. They had hired a pickup band and took turns singing the lead. My friend ran a tape on the show with the Producers blessing. He played it for me once and it is just as jaw droppingly bad as the Shaggs. In particular, there is a hollered version of "YEDDUH-DAY" that could peel paint off a wall. The following year, my friend was hired back to do the sound for "A Tribute to Chicago", complete with a full horn section. He ran a video on that one. "TADDA-DAY IN DUH POCK" is the highlight. At one point, two singers get confused about who is supposed to sing, and one bursts into tears in the background while the other sings his heart out. Before the song is over a half dozen other singers are in tears too, just out of empathy. Maybe the singing affected them, who knows? Perhaps with the whole "bad is good" thing, he could make a mint selling his tapes. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 27 Mar 2001 15:37:38 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:15:09 +0200 >From: Moritz R >Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds > >I think everybody with a heart knows this feeling. I do think though, it >is in fact paranoia. It's an illusion that the world was better in the >past. It depends on what you focus your attention on. If you'd really had >lived in the 50s, in that glorious time when your favorite music was >played, you'd seen other things, that you would not have liked. There is truth to that. But I can tell you, I grew up in the 70s, and I wouldn't go back there on a bet. It was the hands-down most tacky and butt-ugly decade I've had the displeasure to live through. There is a reason why punk erupted in the 70s. There was a lot that deserved to be torn down and stomped into the dirt in the 1970s. The stomping and tearing was just about the only good thing to come out of all of it. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro Date: 27 Mar 2001 17:51:57 -0600 Magnus Sandberg wrote: > Is Shatner a canadian? There will be a DVD relase of the movie INCUBUS (1965) > where he plays the lead. It must be the only horror movie in esperanto. I > look forward to this film! Anyone seen it? A friend of mine has promised to loan it to me as soon as she can get her mother-in-law to give it back to her. I'll file a report if I ever get a chance to watch it. My friend loved it and said that Shatner's typical halting delivery comes through absolutely intact in spite of the Esperanto. However, I've also chatted with some fluent Esperanto speakers who assure me that his accent and pronunciation are horrible. Asistado...al mi...SPOCK!!! -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro Date: 27 Mar 2001 19:28:11 -0500 > said that Shatner's typical halting delivery comes through absolutely intact According to the 'Mondo Canuck' book, Shatner's halting delivery started when he was an understudy to Christopher Plummer at the Stratford Shakespearean Festival in Ontario. The play was Henry V. Plummer became ill with kidney stones, so Shatner had to take over, even though he hadn't learned the lines yet. Critics interpreted his stammering efforts to remember his lines as a bold and unorthodox dramatic departure. So who knows. If Shatner had been more skilled, and had actually taken more time to practise his lines for this understudy role, he might have ended up being ignored. .... and his career path to Star Trek would not have happened. Skill and technique works sometimes. Other times you just have to be damn lucky. Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: Re: (exotica) full contact Date: 28 Mar 2001 10:34:59 +0800 >William: > >I'll agree with you about Full Contact. >Maybe the film's too "cartoonish" for it's own good (ie: plot or lack of it/characterization)? I didn't think it was that great. yeah, i don't know. it was years ago when i saw it. at that time i was seeing on average 2 hk movies a week in the theaters and often renting ones other days of the week. all in the pre-rumble days. it was fun, but now i feel sort of burned out on these movies and rarely make the effort to see them. but then, they are on tv here ALL the time so its easier to see, not like it was trying to see them in the states. plus i've seen most of the best ones, and often several times. >It's funny, a female friend watched The Killer and was just about ready to toss her cookies given the simpy performance of the blind girl. Me being a guy, >I guess I didn't notice, but she pointed out (and she's right) that the gal was all "oh oh, oooo" helpless and horribly stereotypical as the "helpless beauty." >*Very* bad characterization. i also think part of this may be cultural. i mean when you look at hk action movies you can expect certain sexist themes. i remember seeing an interview with michelle yeoh years ago where she said "i still want to be treated like a woman, i want men to open doors for me..." and some of my female friends were not that impressed with that attitude. >What's that one film with the female robot - the soundtrack rips-off Tears for Fears music!!! (But it's infectious none-the-less). The film's really fun - Tsui >Hark is in it as a nerdy scientist. is this robotrix? i'm not surprised. it is common to rip off music for their films. i think i saw some movie with a cantonese version of culture club's "do you really want to hurt me?" in it. i forget the name of the film but it was a hk version of some kind of wonderful. another common practice remaking western movies... >Speaking of films, I've been re-watching Mad Monster Party and enjoying it. I'll make a very blatant and probably not needed assumption - but that must >be the same crew who worked on all of those 'Puppetoonish" Christmas specials like Rudolph. i'm sure someone else has already mentioned this but i believe it IS the same people who did rudolph. rankin/bass. sadly, i don't think i've ever seen "mad monster party" though i'm considering getting the ost. is this out on dvd? maybe i should put that on my list of dvds to buy eventually... william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: (exotica) The theory of value Date: 27 Mar 2001 21:49:58 EST In a message dated 3/27/1 6:31:06 PM, bigshot@spumco.com wrote: >But is the presentation >art in itself? Nope. The content is king. Without getting into the intellectual sparring that has characterized this show of shows, I would like to quote J. Geils Band from the second LP "Ain't what you say, but how you say it" which MUST have been quoted or plagarized from an old r&b tune, or made to approximate one.....JB/isn't truth where U find it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 27 Mar 2001 21:53:08 EST In a message dated 3/27/1 6:31:23 PM, bigshot@spumco.com wrote: >I grew up in the 70s, and >I wouldn't go back there on a bet. It was the hands-down most tacky >and butt-ugly decade I've had the displeasure to live through shit...too bad u missed the 80's...now THAT was a sucky decade..JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Mongoloid Choir Date: 27 Mar 2001 22:03:11 EST In a message dated 3/27/1 6:31:29 PM, bigshot@spumco.com wrote: >two singers get confused about who is supposed to sing, and one bursts >into tears in the background while the other sings his heart out. Before >the song is over a half dozen other singers are in tears too, just out >of empathy. Maybe the singing affected them, who knows? Perhaps with >the whole "bad is good" thing, he could make a mint selling his tapes. What a fucking riotttt!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully you're kidding about this sad statement...otherwise all your other arguments are totally without soul to me and you should hide your cynical head in shame asap. That statement and the making of the very film is sociopathic at this address, and one that warrants this response. I'm not against free speech, but fucking have a little fucking decency in your efforts to extort your brand of perfection here. Why not just get a snuff film? Itwould be less exploitative--at least until "Le Fin"....JB/personal experience forces me to say this without any joy whatsoever # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ashleywarren1@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) film noir Date: 27 Mar 2001 22:51:14 EST In a message dated 3/22/01 6:22:26 PM EST, mace@ookworld.com writes: << I'm curious... do you folks see Fritz Lang's "M" fitting into noir? Is it a very early prototype, or is it just way too early to even think about that? >> "M" uses elements of the German expressionistic lighting that was later used in film noir, but true film noir falls into the post WW2 to mid to late '50s period. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) shanhainese pops Date: 28 Mar 2001 11:57:07 +0800 hi all, a few weeks ago i picked up this disc called "the age of shanghainese pops 1930-1970" released on EMI/PATHE hk. as the title would suggest it is a compilation of shanghai music from the 30s-70. very good. for those who appreciated the music in wong kar wai's IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE some of this music is in a similiar vein and one of the tracks on this comp. was used in that film as well. some of the music reminds me of songs i heard in our gang/the little rascals shorts.(i don't know enough about this era to give a better comparison though). other pieces are more jazz/big band. all the liner notes are in chinese except for a few brief exceptions(i.e. certain names). there are a few western covers. a version of "san francisco" from what appears to be the 30s. another song from the 30s is by "mon. dufour". the title appears to be something about drinking but my chinese reading ability is still quite poor so i'm not sure. any idea as to who dufour is? in the liner notes to another song they mention marlene dietrich and billie holiday. looks like the chinese title is something about "you come back" but again not sure. from '47. one song is written by j. coleman and i think it is a cover of "changing partner" by patti page from 54-55. any ideas if that is correct? for the most part all tracks are sung in chinese, though there is one track from 60 sung in spanish or something - i forget now. written by jose padilla. anyone know who he is? and finally my favourite track on the disc sung in chinese and english was written by j. hendricks and is from 56. the english title is "i want you to be my baby" and the english lyrics go like this: " listen to your mama and you never will regret it and if anybody wonders you can tell them that i said it. the only thing i know is that i never can forget you. i've been longing for you baby, ever since the day i met you. i got you where i want you and i'm never gonna let you get away from me. here's what i tell you i'm the girl for you and you better start to face it. if you ever lose my love you know you never can replace it. i think it's time for you to start giving me some love cause i'm carrying torch for you that's hotter than an oven. it's time for you to give me a little turtle loving, baby, hold me tight and do what i tell you." does that sound familiar to anyone? it also has this sort of call and answer bit where the singer sings one word and the background singers repeat sort of like this : i...(i..) i want...(i want..) i want you..(i want you...) except all sung in chinese of course. when i heard it i knew the song. but i dont' know how. so i'm really curious as to what the original sounds like. or who it is. any information would be greatly appreciated. william in taipei. ps. thanks magnus for the dvd websites! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro Date: 27 Mar 2001 23:37:31 -0500 Alan wrote: > And yes of course William Shatner is Canadian. And yes of course he did > things up here before he did Star Trek. He did Shakespeare if you can > imagine that I have to add one small piece of trivia to this. Our own University Centre building at McGill is referred to by all students as the Shatner Building. It is unofficial and totally unrecognized by the University, and I've always though it was done as a joke. He was from Montreal and went to McGill, but maybe Will knows more about the history of this naming? > You'll have to ask Brian, cheryl or Will for the exact ingredients but > poutine is french fries with gravy and curds. Yeah.. well Moritz can attest to our other food specialty, also from Quebec, called Spruce Beer. Its a soft drink flavoured with spruce (as in the tree) sap. I've developed quite a taste for it myself but many compare it to dishwater. I think I failed to make a convert of Moritz though... Anyway, having grown up blocks from the members of The Guess Who, I could go on about this for some time. But I've probably mentioned before that there is a veritable gold mine of music from Quebec which is really not well known, even in the rest of Canada. Here there were home grown versions of everything from religious and self hypnosis records, psychedelia and pop, to country and western, all of it in French. I'm still discovering it today... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 27 Mar 2001 23:37:40 -0500 Magnus wrote: > Sorry Mo, I cant find the electronic sounds from that period cool. I was never and will never be a Kraftwerk fan. The unease I have felt with all things plastic and unreal comes from my background as a lover of all things old. My paranoia is that it feels like we are leaving something I consider "essential" to man, nature, into a cyberworld without any real values. I can't leave this alone... The late 70's and electronic music represent to me the best and most exciting musical years of my lifetime. I remember the one- time motto of I believe the Holiday Inn chain "The best surprise is no surprise". I sense Magnus' fear of the evils of the digital age and how digitized music doesn't sound true consistent with the above observation. There is a certain sense of safety, security and comfort in keeping things unchanged. People by nature are highy resistant to change so it's not surprising. But change is usually brought about by inquisitiveness and energy, usually the youngest generations. What worries me most is the general lack of this inquisitiveness in today's youth, despite a world of opportunity that has never been so vast... No, my own fears are precisely the opposite of those of Magnus! Progress means differet things to different people.... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian" Subject: (exotica) Re: (Exotica) Guy Maddin Date: 27 Mar 2001 23:37:43 -0500 Magnus wrote: > Off course, sounds temptating, is it Careful or Gimli one should try > out first. I always though Gimli Hospital was the strongest of his films and it was actually the first one I saw. You may not know that Gimli is a small town not far from the geographic centre of North America that was settled by Icelanders, so a potential Nordic link exists. Careful should follow, but then it is essential to see his last film "Twilight of the Ice Nymphs" which is his first and only venture into colour. He mentioned he was very nervous about how he would deal with this medium, but I think he handled it expertly. Don't know if this one had made it to DVD yet though. I taped it off of TV if anyone can't manage to find it. Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica) shanhainese pops Date: 27 Mar 2001 22:48:51 -0800 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of William > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:57 PM > jose padilla. anyone know who he is? and finally my favourite track on the > disc sung in chinese and english was written by j. hendricks and > is from 56. > the english title is "i want you to be my baby" and the english lyrics go > like this: That's Jon Hendricks off Lambert, Hendricks and Ross for you. For a *killer* version of this song, check out Louie Prima and Gia Maione on that Prima documentary a while back. (I think the song is also on that Bear Family box set.) The scene comes at a crucial part, too, since poor Keely Smith has been summarily written off and along comes Gia, and the viewer (well, me) groans and thinks she's a pretender to the throne, and then she suddenly nails the song. Very impressive. The Chinese and English version of "I Want You To Be My Baby" also shows up in Tsai-Ming Liang's 1998 Taiwanese film "The Hole." (There are a bunch of surreal musical numbers.) Starring one of the guys from "Vive l'Amour" and one of the women from "Eat Drink Man Woman." Later, Ben http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara ICQ: 12832406 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Re: mongoloid choir Date: 27 Mar 2001 23:16:50 -0800 >A friend of mine rents PA equipment for concerts, and >one gig he did was for a Mongoloid Choir singing a >tribute to the Beatles. They had hired a pickup band >and took turns singing the lead. My friend ran a >tape on the show with the Producers blessing. He >played it for me once and it is just as jaw >droppingly bad as the Shaggs. In particular, there is >a hollered version of "YEDDUH-DAY" that could peel >paint off a wall. I think your friend could make money not only off of people like us who like weird music, but obsessive Beatles fans who want every cover version around of the foursome's songs. Mr. Unlucky Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 28 Mar 2001 10:53:26 +0200 edjunkita schrieb: > don't you know your own rekkids? > ze lyriks are printed on ze inner sleeve in German und English, jawohl. damn, you're right. this inner sleeve was only used with the first pressings... completely forgot! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Quicksilver Arguments Date: 28 Mar 2001 11:21:55 +0200 bigshot schrieb: > > >I actually believe, this was, what you quintessentially said. > >If you see things in a more differentiated light now, the better. > > Hehehe... There's an interesting logical fallacy in those two > sentences. I don't see that, sorry. > There ya go... I went already. For me this discussion was over and - as I said - i appreciated your comments as much as I disagreed with some of them. Let me just say, that in some cases my English doesn't seem to be good enough to detect every nuance or "tone" in what you, or others, said. The same goes with my own comments, which may sometimes sound to your ears different than I meant them. Especially in things philosophical it's extra hard, as I can only fall back upon terms I know from my (German) language. A literal translation often fails, as a native English speaking person not only speaks a different language, but also comes from a different education in the arts and the humanities. I mean I'm glad that there is something like an international language and I have nothing against the fact that it turned out to be English - and not Esperanto. Although I must admit that for Germans, Dutch and Swedes English is by far easier to learn, than it is for instance for French, Italians or Spanish people, let alone Japanese. Therefore if your native language is English, you will always have a certain advantage. I only hope you keep this in mind a bit and take not for granted that the rest of the world speaks your language! And let me say something else - and I really don't mean it offensive (I include myself in here from the beginning): My grandmother used to call philosophy "a game of the male mind". I don't know if you noticed, but in such discussions the ladies of this list never participate and I guess it's because there is a lot of male domination involved in it. I became aware of this when you said this thing with "winning the argument" or so. I don't exclude myself from this, really. I think there is something to think about for all of us. There is nothing to win in our discussions than enlightment for everybody, how ever controverse the discussion is going. And I hope it will not be the last! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 11:54:26 +0200 bigshot schrieb: > It was the hands-down most tacky > and butt-ugly decade I've had the displeasure to live through. There > is a reason why punk erupted in the 70s. There was a lot that deserved > to be torn down and stomped into the dirt in the 1970s. The stomping > and tearing was just about the only good thing to come out of all of > it. As an ex-punk I can only agree. Yet I have discovered so many nice things= about the 70s later, that it changed my point of view of it. So when it = is possible to love things, that you used to hate when you were younger, = isn't this an argument that general "rating" of artistic values is pretty= much relative? If you rate, you have to compare things that are comparab= le. But my present world-outlook is so different from the one I had in th= e 70s. I probably will come to all kinds of different valuations about th= e 70s in my life, all depending on the situation I'm in when I make it. I= can compare details, like: I can say, this is a more complex arrangement= than that, but I can't rate it to be absolutely better than the other, b= ecause the reason for my rating may change: now I appreciate a complexer = arrangement, then I preferred a less complex for equally good reasons. I = can say: I don't like sequential electronic music and therefore I don't l= ike the late 70s, but I can't say: the late 70s were a dull period for th= is kind of music (no, *you* didn't say that). Now you may ask: if all is so relative, how can we discuss things at all?= I don't know. Maybe by rather describing things than rating them. Clarif= ying our feelings about things, or so. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de =2E......................................................................= =2E. n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD-R Date: 28 Mar 2001 10:53:16 +0200 Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek schrieb: > > That's weird! I got a box of Tevion CD-Rs (74 mins.) for x-mas and they were > the worst I ever had. Strange. I had no problems whatsoever with them so far... and I burnt something like 40 of them. Tevion seems to have improved the CD-R80. The entire CD-R complex remains a mystery. I have heard so many theories now, why anything works out better than something else, be it the color of the media, the brand, the burners, the software or the system, and still there seems to be no logical explanation why you would get a problem with a specific CD-R. To me it seems that random mistakes, where ever they may occur, are the real reasons for failures. You can't protect yourself against it. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 28 Mar 2001 12:24:16 +0200 (CEST) citerar Brian : > I can't leave this alone... The late 70's and electronic music represent to > me the best and most exciting musical years of my lifetime I sense Magnus' fear of the evils of the digital age and how > digitized music doesn't sound true consistent with the above observation. > There is a certain sense of safety, security and comfort in keeping things > unchanged. People by nature are highy resistant to change so it's not > surprising All I want is a reaction, thanks for that. What we have seen in the last 40 years is a breaking of (nearly) all tabus, now it is done, and I believe it was the only way to go. I believe humans are 1.000.000 times stronger than they think. I had a cat last year, I named him "tiki", we had so much fun together, he was a lighthearted fellow. He enjoyed to sleep on my laptop, and left weird messages on the screen. He liked to rename files. I remember that I thought, that if I had been on the exotica list I would have posted these messages from tiki. What I am trying to say is that an animal ougtha sense something bad from a creation like a computer, if it is evil. He did not, and he enjoyed watching DVD movies too. Now tiki is in paradise Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: susanna Subject: (exotica) new reviews on motion ---+ Date: 28 Mar 2001 12:13:06 +0100 hi i should introduce myself - i'm susanna glaser and, alongside other online music projects, i've recently taken over running motion, ( http://motion.state51.co.uk/ ) - which i hope you've heard of... i think dan hill used to mail this list with the latest releases up on the site - sadly dan hill is no longer part of the motion team (although his presence is felt strongly throughout, not least because of the site's recent glossy design makeover by the man himself)... basically, this is a mail to say motion is still alive although it's been a while since you've heard from us! and to let you know what's the latest few reviews since you heard from us probably some four or five months ago (has it been that long!!?) cheers, susanna ----+ new reviews ---+ http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/ Matmos - A Chance to Cut is a Chance to Cure, Matador AMS - Voices/T-Minus,white Susanne Langillee etc -1987-1989, Secretly Canadian Noiseshaper - Prelaunch Sequence,Different Drummer Phil James - Already Gone, Sparkling Beatnik Don Tiki - The Forbidden Sounds of Don Tiki, Ata Tak microstarz - micro_superstarz 2000, micromusic MJ Cole - Hold On to Me/Bandalero mixes, Talkin Loud Tortoise - Standards, Warp Sub Oslo - Dubs in the Key of Life, Two Ohm Hop Nine Inch Nails - Things Falling Apart, Nothing Scannerfunk - Wave of Light By Wave of Light, Sulphur Wookie - Wookie, Soul 2 Soul Robert Creeley etc - A Live Concert Performance, Cuneiform Roni Size:Reprazent - In The Mode, Talkin' Loud various - [komfort.labor] presents ~scape, wmf records Pixies - Complete 'B' Sides, 4AD thanks, and apologies for cross-postings the motion team -----+ motion http://motion.state51.co.uk/ -- _____________________________ susanna glaser: a state51 conspirator: http://www.state51.co.uk/ http://motion.state51.co.uk/: exploring the distant horizons of new music http://skam.com/ : dedbeatweekender, the avalanches, alfie, mice parade # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) 1st CD with copy protection out Date: 28 Mar 2001 16:56:38 +0200 Mike Ace has mentioned it recently, now it's getting serious: the first CD is on the market now, that cannot be copied anymore. The artist's name is Charlie Pride. Can anybody from the US get and test it for all of us? I wonder if they really sell more CDs with this copy protection. Maybe the really big pop acts, but many artists will sell less, because nobody will know that their CDs exist at all. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 10:01:22 -0500 <> Hey, wait-a-minute! I loved the 80's - Flock of Seagulls, cool shirts = with all those flaps and buttons, Tears for Fears, DEVO (new to me then at = least) - that HOT girl from Missing Persons and her plastic bra.......... - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "mark jung" Subject: (exotica) UNTOUCHABLES OTVT on ebay Date: 28 Mar 2001 15:56:17 you folks might be interested in this - music from "The Untouchables" TV series, conducted by nelson riddle - nice original LP -> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1420072629 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) 1st CD with copy protection out Date: 28 Mar 2001 10:57:30 -0500 >now it's getting serious: the first CD is on the market now, that cannot >be copied anymore. The artist's name is Charlie Pride. Can anybody from >the US get and test it for all of us? > >I wonder if they really sell more CDs with this copy protection. Maybe the >really big pop acts, but many artists will sell less, because nobody will >know that their CDs exist at all. Details: http://www.inside.com/jcs/Story?article_id=26900&pod_id=9 m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: (exotica) 1st CD with copy protection out Date: 28 Mar 2001 11:04:20 -0500 >the first CD is on the market now, that cannot be copied anymore. >The artist's name is Charlie Pride. Can anybody from the US get and >test it for all of us? The Pride CD isn't copy protected in the normal sense since there's nothing that prevents copying (though industry reports all call it that). Basically, the disc is designed so that it won't play in CD-ROM drives using a directory kludge that's been around for a few years. The idea is that if you can't pop it into your computer's CD-ROM then you won't burn CD-R copies or MP3s. Of course you can always feed a standard CD output into your computer and accomplish the same thing (but probably with some signal loss depending on your setup) but they're betting that most people won't bother with that. The annoying thing is that I use my computer to play discs at work and a different room of my apt plus many car CD players are actually CD-ROM based so these discs won't work there. In other words, the labels are betting on a technology (this one anyway, it may get more sophisticated) that will alienate a fairly significant number of everyday users but will barely slow down anybody! ! with even a minor interest in bypassing it. Hmmm. LT # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 11:07:07 -0500 You tell 'em, Nate.=20 Being a product of the 80s, I was a teenager in love with Chrissy = Hynde, that girl from Missing Persons what was her name, Terry Bazio or = something?, and Christina Amphlett from the Divinyls. I think that DNA by A Flock = of Seagulls is as good as any 60s instrumental. And as far as Devo is concerned, they started out as a surf band, y'know. Their music = through their first 4 albums was some of the most exciting and revolutionary = stuff out there. I still play Devo incessantly, and I always hear something = new in it, especially the first album produced by Brian Eno. =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=20 Charlieman=20 "Everything that can be invented, has been invented." =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Charles H. Duell, 1899=A0 =A0=20 =20 > Hey, wait-a-minute! I loved the 80's - Flock of Seagulls,=20 > cool shirts with all those flaps and buttons, Tears for=20 > Fears, DEVO (new to me then at least) - that HOT girl from=20 > Missing Persons and her plastic bra.......... >=20 >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 11:13:46 -0500 <> Waitaminute!! Are you sure!! Mark Mothersbaugh *just* put out a surf album...........but........... - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek" Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 18:16:06 +0200 > Being a product of the 80s, I was a teenager in love with Chrissy Hynde, > that girl from Missing Persons what was her name, Terry Bazio or > something? Dale Bozzio. Terry is the ex-Zappa drummer. (And yes, Dale and Terry are related in one way or another). Marco # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 11:23:42 -0500 <> They are brother and sister - they were both in Missing Persons also. =20 Oh those high-pitched accents......"Walking in L. A eeeeeeeee." - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original = sender. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 11:26:05 -0500 Oh yessirie! The wipeouters is actually a re-work of some very old tunes Mark and = Gerry wrote before they formed Devo that never got to tape. Of course, they = are playing this up so much in the promo of this new album that it is hard = to glean this from the spinned marketing slant. The whole wipeouters = thing is really pre-Devo, it never materialized back then, so they figured why = not do it now. =20 =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=20 Charlieman=20 "Everything that can be invented, has been invented." =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Charles H. Duell, 1899=A0 =A0=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan Miner [mailto:nminer@jhmi.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:14 AM > To: Rajnai, Charles, NNAD; exotica@xmission.com > Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age >=20 >=20 > < concerned, they started out as a surf band, y'know.>> >=20 > Waitaminute!! Are you sure!! >=20 > Mark Mothersbaugh *just* put out a surf = album...........but........... >=20 > - Nate >=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: mongoloid choir Date: 28 Mar 2001 08:56:44 -0800 (PST) I doubt it's as insipid and unbearable as the original. By your description, there's at least some real feeling put into it. Life goes on, Corky Waugh In particular, there > is >a hollered version of "YEDDUH-DAY" that could > peel >paint off a wall. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: Vic Mizzy release on CD Date: 27 Mar 2001 19:19:23 +0200 has anyone heard it? no online zounds, and pricy! ($20) >VIC MIZZY - SUITES & THEMES > >Buy it here: >http://store.percepto.com/percepto/movtvsoun.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 13:02:22 -0500 >I still play Devo incessantly, and I always hear something new >in it, especially the first album produced by Brian Eno. Except, demonstrating the silliness of trying to build walls between decades, that album was released in 1978. BTW, Terry & Dale Bozzio's ties were marital, not familial. And now they're just alimonial. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) See this Date: 28 Mar 2001 20:42:50 +0200 (CEST) You gotta see this cover! Roman Polanskis "Repulsion" on DVD: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005A1TC.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg No! It is no joke, it is real: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005A1TC/o/qid=985804581/sr=8- 1/ref=aps_sr_d_1_1/107-0575497-4610167 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro Date: 28 Mar 2001 12:05:39 -0800 (PST) Way, way! Les Jaguars, Cesar et Ses Romains (featured in the Incredibly Foreign Musique, v2).... and tons of others stuffs like that which I have just won off the E-Bay (Guess Who - back when they used the ?, were a mean r&r band). benoit --- Brian wrote: > Anyway, having grown up blocks from the members of > The Guess Who, I could > go on about this for some time. But I've probably > mentioned before that > there is a veritable gold mine of music from Quebec > which is really not well > known, even in the rest of Canada. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Moe Koffman is dead Date: 28 Mar 2001 19:13:50 -0500 I don't have an obituary url but the Swingin Shepherd is dead. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 19:13:21 EST In a message dated 3/28/1 1:03:06 PM, mace@ookworld.com wrote: >Except, demonstrating the silliness of trying to build walls between >decades, that album was released in 1978. New Years' Eve 1989-90 I toasted to an end to Decade-ism. It was roundly approved once I explained it. But its how we define the times, be they accurate or not...In fact most of the music to which that post referred was 70's in nature, but for someone 30 or thereabouts the distinctions are hazy at best. For pure punkers, '77 was the primal year. For garage rockers, it was '66. And of course for the Thunderbird, it was '55. '88 was completely lost on me, did i miss something?...JB/still trying to figure out the diff. between '49 and '50 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 29 Mar 2001 01:25:07 +0100 Nathan Miner wrote: > <> > > Hey, wait-a-minute! I loved the 80's - Flock of Seagulls, cool shirts with all those flaps and buttons, Tears for Fears, DEVO (new to me then at least) - that HOT girl from Missing Persons and her plastic bra.......... > > - Nate > You must be a mutant or something! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Copy Protection Date: 28 Mar 2001 16:43:38 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >I wonder if they really sell more CDs with this copy protection. I haven't heard about this particular format, but CD's were originally designed to have a Copy Protection flag in the headers, but just as quick as it was introduced, hardware manufacturers promptly made machines designed to ignore it. I'm sure that will happen here too. Toast allows you to set Copy Protection on or off, but it doesn't seem to make a bit of difference. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) CD Rom Blanks Date: 28 Mar 2001 16:43:36 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >I have heard so many theories >now, why anything works out better than something else, be it the color of >the media, the brand, the burners, the software or the system, and still >there seems to be no logical explanation why you would get a problem with >a specific CD-R. To me it seems that random mistakes, where ever they may >occur, are the real reasons for failures. You can't protect yourself >against it. Check back when you first asked the question. I answered it. Different brands of blanks work better in different burners. You can't recommend your brand of blanks to me if you have a different piece of hardware. What works for me doesn't work for you necessarily. If you'd like me to provide you with links to webpages with scientific research on this, I'd be happy to look them up. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 18:36:21 -0600 "m.ace" wrote: > Except, demonstrating the silliness of trying to build walls between > decades, that album was released in 1978. If I had to delineate the era most people consider "the 70s", I'd end it in 1976 when the Ramones' first album came out. But yeah, trying to start and stop things on years ending with zeroes makes absolutely no sense. As nostalgia cycles grow ever shorter, one wonders how the pundits will define the next ten years. Will the next decade be remembered primarily for a couple of Latin hunks and a teenage jailbait singer with a Pepsi button in her navel? > BTW, Terry & Dale Bozzio's ties were marital, not familial. And now they're > just alimonial. Yeah, she popped up on VH1 a while back. No plastic bra these days tho' and she was driving a minivan full of kids. I won't tell you what she looks like nowadays as I've sworn off posting comments to the list that make reference to the personal appearance of middle-aged female singers out of deference to Alan...=^D -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 29 Mar 2001 02:05:24 +0100 DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > '88 was completely lost on me, did i miss something? You were probably in the Amazones or Borneo when the acidhouse "summer of love" took place. 1999 failed to live up to the eleven year cycle of innovation in pop music. (fin de siecle anxiety?) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pinwhiz@pop.ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: (exotica) CD Rom Blanks Date: 29 Mar 2001 01:30:36 GMT > > exotica-digest wrote: > Check back when you first asked the question. I answered it. Different > brands of blanks work better in different burners. You can't recommend > your brand of blanks to me if you have a different piece of hardware. > What works for me doesn't work for you necessarily. > > If you'd like me to provide you with links to webpages with scientific > research on this, I'd be happy to look them up. For those of you with Burners & a PC a very useful little tool is CDRID. http://www.gum.de/it/download/english.htm "This little tool lets you read the ATIP (Absolute Time In Pre-Groove) of CDR (CD-Recordable) media with most of the current CDR recorders. This information tells the real manufacturer and type of dye used for this media." Cheers! Mike Auckland, New Zealand # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) what does music do? Date: 28 Mar 2001 20:34:56 -0500 I was listening to the new Tipsy record. It's not what I expected. I was listening to one of the later cuts. There were a lot of layers of music happening at the same time. I was trying to figure out how all that music was affecting me. What it was doing to me. What it was making me feel. If anything. At the same time I was thinking about bigshot's "advice" that I start to listen to classical music. It's not that I don't like it. I like it fine when I hear it. I just don't feel the ambition to start down another musical tributary at this point. The other thing I was thinking about was bigshot's contention that he's "educated" himself about these things. Mostly I was thinking about him saying that IF you educate yourself, you will appreciate more. I suppose that's true. But are you appreciating something MORE or just in a different way? I educated myself in jazz. Occasionally I can go "Oh that sounds like Elvin Jones on the drums". I recognize things. But does that necessarily lead to more enjoyment? One of the "themes" of my film was that record collecting is NOT about the music. I know that it is sort of about the music. It's always partly about the music. But if you're sitting in a club and a piece of music comes on and you go "Ooh, this is Lush Life. Have you heard the Johnny Hartman/John Coltrane version?", is that about appreciating the music more? I'm not sure. I'm thinking about this because I don't necessarily feel that just because classical music is more subtle, more expressive, more beautifully played etc, that there is more for me to appreciate there. It seems to me that classical music is a certain kind of music. That sounds self evident except that some people who listen exclusively to classical music say that they can get everything they need to get out of that one kind of music. And I want to say "I don't think you can get from classical music what I get from Hank Williams. Or the American Music Club. Or Sarah Vaughn. etc etc etc". But all this begs the question of what you get from music. How do you get what you get? Does the music do it? Or is it your association with the music? If I drenched myself in classical music, would I ever find a record that reminded me of how I felt when my last girlfriend left? Maybe. But not the way the right lyric can. Anyway I'm thinking about a lot of very basic questions. I have all these different genres of music here (Everything but classical and rap.) Sometimes when I stand in front of the shelf and wonder what I want to hear, I wonder what I'm really thinking about. Is there some subconscious process going on? Does anybody know anything about how music enters your brain? AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jim gerwitz" Subject: Re: (exotica) The Golden Age of Space Junk Date: 28 Mar 2001 18:31:19 -0800 As the Mir hurtled toward earth this week I was reminded of my favorite DEVO song "Space Junk." . That first DEVO album was and still is KILLER all the way through, even though there was that song about the guy who wore a hat and had a job and brought home the bacon so that no one knew he was a _________. And face it folks, the spudboys were right, look around, the world IS devolving. Send in the clones, or at least a few spare Stepford Wives. Jb -"Are we not men? That is the Law......... Law no more................." # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Lenkei Subject: (exotica) Up with People Date: 28 Mar 2001 23:21:02 -0500 (EST) I recently pruchased my first "Up with People" album and am enjoying it quite a bit. The title song is a damn catchy tune. My question is: Is there more than one UWP album out there, or is this it? - bruce ++++++++++++++++++++ Lenkei Design Graphic Design www.lenkeidesign.com ++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Visit The Exotica Review As many exotica/lounge record reviews as possible! on the web at: www.bway.net/~er ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obits] catching up pt.1 Date: 28 Mar 2001 23:28:23 -0500 Apparently people don't stop dying just 'cause I leave town for a week or= so. Here's some that "piled up." Lou (after this I've got to start catching up on the 600+ messages in my mailbox - most from you busy busy people). Sunday, March 18, 2001 Lancelot Pinard; Musician Brought Calypso to U.S. From L.A. Times Staff and Wire Reports Lancelot Victor Pinard, who under the name Sir Lancelot was a significant figure in introducing calypso music to American audiences, died March 12 in Anaheim. He was 98. Accompanying himself on guitar and singing old-time calypso tunes like "Rum and Coca-Cola," "Mary Ann" and "Take Me, Take Me," Pinard offered lively performances to packed houses at venues around Southern California in the 1940s and '50s. Born in Cumuto, Trinidad, to well-to-do Anglophile parents, Pinard was educated in the West Indies and trained to be a pharmacist. He moved to New York City to pursue a medical career but switched to music after hearing a concert by a tenor named Roland Hayes. In an interview with The Times some years ago, Pinard recalled how he made the switch from classical music, which first captured his attention, to calypso. "This orchestra leader from Trinidad who had a nice band in New York heard one of my concerts and said, 'Would you condescend to record a couple of calypsos for me?' " Pinard said. "This is the music of my country," Pinard replied. "I'd be proud to do it." Pinard's performance debut as a calypso man came in 1940 at the New York club the Village Vanguard. That was quickly followed by a West Coast tour, which brought him to the Wilshire Ebell in Los Angeles. The critical response was positive and Pinard was quickly signed to appear in the 1941 film "Two Yanks in Trinidad." He went on to make more than 15 other films, ranging from a role in the Bogart-Bacall classic "To Have and Have Not" to B films like "Zombies on Broadway." But Pinard's success in America with calypso didn't yield many dividends in his homeland. "They have a whole British style down there and figured this is the music of the lower classes," Pinard recalled. "Gentlemen didn't sing calypsos at that time. I was the first, and when I went back . . . my friends did not receive me." But Pinard's efforts helped legitimize calypso. He was popular throughout Europe in the 1960s. A devout Roman Catholic, Pinard also wrote and recorded many "Gospel Calypsos" before he gave up singing in the early 1970s. He emerged briefly in the 1980s, performing locally at McCabe's Guitar Shop with a band composed of some legendary figures in the L.A. music scene: Van Dyke Parks on piano, Ry Cooder on guitar and Jim Keltner on drums. "I had heard of him since I was a child," Parks said some years ago. "This man is an innovator who did a lot to advance [his] music. I've met a lot of calypsonians who all gave reverence to Sir Lancelot." =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D John Phillips http://www.cnn.com/2001/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/18/us.obit.phillips.ap/index.html http://www.msnbc.com/news/546161.asp?0cm=3Dc21 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010319/re/britain_director_dc_1.html Monday March 19 12:56 PM ET Veteran Director Ralph Thomas Dies at 85 LONDON (Reuters) - Veteran British director Ralph Thomas, whose credits include the Dirk Bogarde ``Doctor'' films, has died at the age of 85, a spokeswoman said Monday. Thomas was perhaps best-known for his medical comedies -- Doctor in the House, Doctor at Sea, Doctor at Large, Doctor in Love, Doctor in Distress and Doctor in Trouble -- between 1953 and 1970. Apart from Bogarde they starred, at various times, Kenneth More, Donald Sinden, Margaret Rutherford, Dora Bryan, James Robertson Justice, Leslie Phillips, Harry Secombe and, on one occasion, a young Brigitte Bardot. Toward the end of his career he was responsible for sex comedies such as Percy and Percy's Progress. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://www.nydailynews.com/2001-03-16/News_and_Views/Daily_Dish/a-103537.asp Ramone's Battle for Health One of New York's original punk rockers is fighting for his life. Joey=20 Ramone, 49, lead singer of the Ramones, a band out of Forest Hills that=20 spearheaded the downtown punk scene in 1974, is in a New York-area=20 hospital battling lymphoma. The group, which Joey formed with Marky, Dee Dee and Johnny =8B all of=20 whom adopted the same last name as the band =8B broke up only five years=20 ago. But the mark they left on the genre, due in large measure to their=20 early albums =8B which featured such tracks as "I Wanna Be Sedated,"=20 "Teenage Lobotomy" and "Cretin Hop" =8B are forever part of New York=20 musical history. Ramones spokesman Arturo Vega told me that the patient has had a good=20 week. "Joey watched a tape of 'The Sopranos' on Wednesday," said Vega. "He's=20 doing better and better." =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Voiceover Actress Norma Macmillan Dead at 79 VANCOUVER, British Columbia (AP) -- Norma Macmillan, who voiced characters= for "The Gumby Show'' and other animated TV series, died Friday of a heart= attack.=20 She was 79.=20 During a career that spanned four decades, Macmillan earned a long list of credits in TV, radio and movies. She was the voice of Goo and other= characters on "The Gumby Show,'' Sweet Polly Purebread in the "Underdog'' series, and Kokette in the "Mean Moe'' series.=20 She also provided voices for "The First Family,'' a comedy album that= satirized John F. Kennedy's family during his presidency.=20 She appeared in several movies, including the recent comedy "Head Over= Heels'' as well as 1996's "Big Bully.'' Macmillan's children also pursued acting. Her daughter, Alison Arngrim of= Los Angeles, played Nellie Oleson on the TV series "Little House on the= Prairie.'' Her son, Stefan Arngrim, played Barry Lockridge on the TV series "Land of= the Giants.'' VANCOUVER, British Columbia (AP) - Norma Macmillan, the voice of= television's Casper the Friendly Ghost, Gumby and other animated characters, died Friday= of a heart attack. She was 79.=20 Macmillan entertained a generation of children by giving a voice to popular cartoon characters such as Casper, the mild-mannered ghost who refused to frighten children, and Sweet Polly Purebread of the Underdog series.=20 Among Macmillan's acting credits was the 1986 television movie ``Mrs.= Delafield Wants to Marry,'' with Katharine Hepburn, and guest appearances and= recurring roles on television shows.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obits] catching up pt.2 Date: 28 Mar 2001 23:29:16 -0500 Rush Street playboy meets violent end March 20, 2001 BY FRANK MAIN CRIME REPORTER Richard W. Hauff was a Rush Street playboy in the 1960s, dating Zsa Zsa Gabor and other Hollywood stars and golfing with mob pals. The Iranian immigrant was 24 when he bought Mount Prospect Country Club with a gangster's brother. Though he had long faded from the spotlight when found murdered last month, Hauff once boasted, "I personally know Frank Sinatra, Perry Como, Ginger Rogers, Dan Dailey and Phil Harris. No one can call them hoodlums, and I hope to have them as guests at my golf course when they are in Chicago." In 1960, he told a reporter, "Yes, I'm a playboy. I'm as bad a playboy as can be. If it wasn't for Zsa Zsa and those other broads, I wouldn't be in the papers." < ========= NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Randall Hylton, a bluegrass performer who wrote ``Room at the Top of the Stairs,'' died Monday after suffering an aneurysm. He was 55. Hylton, who played guitar in the fingerpicking style of Chet Atkins and Merle Travis, was known for his ability to instantly write songs to fit any occasion. His songs were performed by more than 150 singers, including Ralph Stanley and Vern Gosdin. The 6-foot-6-inch performer also told jokes and did guitar tricks, such as playing a song backward or two songs at once. ====== Taken from the CP Wire: Charles Johnson, head of the International Flat Earth Society for nearly 30 years, has died in Lancaster, California. He was 76. Johnson was president of the group whose belief is that the Earth is actually shaped like a platter, with a magnetic North Pole in the middle. Believers reject science & satellite photos as part of an elaborate hoax. The society, which claims a membership of approx 3500, was founded in Illinois at the turn of the last century. Johnson, who published a quarterly newsletter from his Mojave Desert home, also believed the nation's space program was an elaborate fraud perpetrated by the government. Flat-Earthers, who base some of their arguments on the Bible, claim globalists have been lied to and deceived for centuries. The Flat Earth Society was founded in Zion, Ill., at the turn of the last century, and moved its headquarters to England a few years later. The headquarters was relocated to Johnson's Hi Vista home when he became the organization's president in 1972. ======== BOCA RATON, Fla. (AP) - Adolph Levis, the entrepreneur who made a fortune off the beef snack Slim Jim and gave millions to charity, died Tuesday at the age of 89. Levis, who dropped out of school at 16, and his brother began selling spices, pickles, relishes during the Great Depression. He later began curing meat for nationwide shipping and peddled pickled sausage and other products to bars, serving about 6,000 wholesalers. After seeing pepperoni products selling consistently at bars, Levis came up with a three-month meat curing process. He packaged the meat snack and called it Penn Rose, but later changed it to Slim Jim. He sold the product to General Mills in 1967. ======= Cartoon Pioneer William Hanna Dead at 90 LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Animation pioneer William Hanna, who with partner Joseph Barbera created such beloved cartoon characters as Fred Flintstone, Yogi Bear and Tom and Jerry, died Thursday. He was 90. Hanna died at his North Hollywood home with Violet, his wife of 65 years, at his side, said Sarah Carragher, a spokeswoman for Warner Bros., which owns Hanna-Barbera Studios. She said he had been in declining health for the last few years. <> ==== Anthony Steel ANTHONY STEEL, the actor, who has died aged 81, was the boyish, square-jawed star of such films of the 1950s as The Wooden Horse, Albert RN and The Sea Shall Not Have Them; but at the height of his fame he married the Swedish actress and former Miss Universe Anita Ekberg, and thereafter his career took a rapid turn for the worse. Steel was a tall, handsome, former Guards officer, and thus ideally cast in such tales of wartime endurance as The Malta Story (1953). In the late 1940s, fresh out of the Army, he was put under contract by J Arthur Rank after having been introduced to him by his girlfriend, Rank's niece. Within a few years he was, with Dirk Bogarde, Rank's best paid actor. His break came in The Wooden Horse (1950), Eric Williams's story of ingenious escape from a PoW camp. He followed up this success with another, Where No Vultures Fly (1951), a scenic account of life in East Africa. Steel played a game warden who, with the aid of Dinah Sheridan, deals with such hazards as a nasty outbreak of rinderpest. A sequel to this, West of Zanzibar (1954), briefly gave Steel a hit song, Jumbo. In 1954, British cinemagoers rated Steel and Jack Hawkins as their favourite actors, and that year he strengthened his appeal with his portrayal of the indefatigable, duffle-coated Air Sea Rescue officer who saves Bogarde and Michael Redgrave in The Sea Shall Not Have Them. The next year he made Storm Over the Nile, a version of The Four Feathers, which also proved popular with audiences, but in December he met Miss Ekberg at a film premiere. He was instantly taken with her personality and her figure (39-23-37), declaring that "Anita is the most beautiful woman I have ever met". After various vicissitudes, much prevarication, and a trip to Malmo to meet her parents, the couple were married at the Palazzo Vecchio, Florence, in 1956. Although the wedding had been the talk of the newspapers for weeks, Steel was rather a private man and it was not a showbusiness affair (although Miss Ekberg took care to look her best for any photographers who might happen to be present). The best man was a journalist covering events for the Daily Mirror; the witness was a passing art student. Steel gave his bride an emerald flanked by 12 diamonds, said to have cost $24,000. But it soon became clear that all was not well between the pair. There were rumours of arguments, alcohol and mutual jealousy, and though Steel could be the most gentle-mannered of men, he also acquired a reputation for hell-raising. On one occasion he lashed out at Italian paparazzi following him and Anita Ekberg, and twice he was arrested for drink driving. At the root of the trouble, perhaps, was his wife's insistence that Steel should move to Hollywood, where he was soon overshadowed by her much-admired profile. In 1959 they divorced, and Steel returned to England. He told reporters: "It was no fun being married to a glamour girl." His career never afterwards recovered its former lustre. No longer seen as a matinee idol after his divorce from Ekberg, he found work harder to come by in the 1960s, although he appeared in Anzio (1968). For some years he lived in Rome and had roles in a number of Italian films, but by the 1970s there were few pictures for his type of actor, and he was reduced to taking parts in such grubby fare as The Story of O (1975), Hardcore (1977) and the straightforwardly titled Let's Get Laid (1977), with Fiona Richmond. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obits] catching up pt.3 Date: 28 Mar 2001 23:31:25 -0500 Performer Elena Del Rubio Dies LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Elena Del Rubio, whose 60-year singing career with her sisters as the Del Rubio Triplets got a boost with campy covers of 1980s tunes, died Monday of cancer. She was believed to be in her 70s. "It was a terrible blow to me,'' said Milly, the only surviving sister. "Now I'm left alone.'' Another triplet, Eadie, died in 1996. The sisters lived together in a mobile home overlooking the ocean. The trio that promoted itself as ''3 Gals, 3 Guitars, 1 Birthday'' performed for six decades in showcases ranging from television comedy to retirement homes. The three were in their 60s when they hit the Hollywood scene, dressed in identical miniskirts, go-go boots and big blonde hairdos. Calling themselves "song stylists,'' the sisters' diverse acts included mariachi strolling, country western music, Hawaiian-Calypso and holiday theme music. ======= NEW YORK (AP) - Herbie Jones, a jazz musician who worked with Duke Ellington and Billy Strayhorn, died March 19 of complications from diabetes. He was 74. Jones, a jazz trumpeter, composer, arranger and educator, toured five continents with the Ellington band. His recorded arrangements for the band were ``El Busto,'' ``Cootie's Caravan,'' ``The Prowling Cat'' and ``The Opener,'' and he contributed to Ellington's first and second Sacred Concerts. After leaving the Ellington band, Jones became the first director of Arts and Culture Inc., a New York City alternative school, and as a volunteer directed the Bugle Corps of the Police Athletic League in Harlem. In Ellington's 1973 memoir, ``Music Is My Mistress,'' he called Jones ``a great asset'' to his orchestra in the 1960s. Jones often played first trumpet but rarely soloed. ========= Sigurd M. Rascher, a classical saxophonist compared by some to Casals and Segovia for his influence on his instrument and its concert repertory, died on Feb. 25 at his home in Shushan, N.Y. He was 94. In the course of a 50-year career, Mr. Rascher played with virtually all the major orchestras, many of which have never had another saxophone soloist. A critic for The New York Times wrote that the saxophone had gained "aesthetic respectability" on Nov. 11, 1939, when Mr. Rascher was the first solo saxophonist for the New York Philharmonic in 3,543 concerts. Mr. Rascher was proud of playing dance music, but he feared his instrument's potential to add rich tones to more serious musical fare was too often unachieved. For that failure, he blamed both mechanical modifications in the original design of Adolphe Sax's instrument and bad musicianship. ======== STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - Choreographer Birgit Aakesson, one of the most prominent figures in modern Swedish dance, died Saturday on her 93rd birthday. Aakesson made her debut at the Theatre du Vieux Colombier in Paris in 1934 with a performance of solo dance without music. She soon became known among the French as ``the Picasso of Dance.'' She started a dancing school in 1936 in Stockholm and had an artistic breakthrough 10 years later, also with an evening of solo dance without music. Aakesson spent time in later years doing research into African tribal cultures and wrote a book, ``The Mask of Spring Water,'' in 1983. ======== Comedian Jackie Kahane Dead at 79 LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Canadian-born comic Jackie Kahane, who appeared as Elvis Presley's opening act over a five-year period, died Monday of cancer. He was 79. Kahane, whose career spanned six decades, appeared with Elvis at the Las Vegas Hilton during performances from 1972 until Presley's death in 1977. He was selected along with Bill Cosby as one of Time magazine's outstanding young comedians in 1961. In addition to Presley, Kahane performed with Wayne Newton, Tina Turner, Tony Bennett, Dionne Warwick, Sophie Tucker and Joe E. Lewis. His television appearances included "The Ed Sullivan Show'' and "The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson.'' ==== From the CBC online news service Jazz legend Moe Koffman dies WebPosted Wed Mar 28 20:09:17 2001 TORONTO - Canadian jazz great Moe Koffman died Wednesday afternoon from cancer. Koffman is best known for his song "Swingin' Shepherd Blues." It is the only jazz flute solo to become a hit on rock and roll hit record charts. Another of his songs, "Curried Soul" has become well know to Canadians as the theme song to CBC Radio's As It Happens. Koffman recorded "Swingin' Shepherd Blues" in 1958. He originally named his smash hit "Blues a la Canadiana" but it was changed to "Swingin' Shepherd Blues" by a producer. He was a popular soloist, on both the flute and the saxophone, who became known for his be-bop jazz style. Koffman was honoured for his outstanding work and service to the arts in 1993 with his appointment to the Order Of Canada. Rob McConnell, Koffman's longtime friend and leader of Canada's well-known Boss Brass told radio station CJRT that besides his musical talent and versatility the jazz world had lost a "really, really, really nice guy." Moe Koffman was 72. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Up with People Date: 29 Mar 2001 00:05:55 -0500 At 11:21 PM 3/28/01 -0500, Bruce Lenkei wrote: > > >I recently pruchased my first "Up with People" album and am enjoying it >quite a bit. The title song is a damn catchy tune. My question is: >Is there more than one UWP album out there, or is this it? I bet there's a hundred more. But I have three. I kind of like a couple of the songs too but I'm not sure you need more than one. On the other hand, there's a slow and a more rockin version of their theme song and you probably should have both. Being that you're an Up With People completist. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 28 Mar 2001 22:25:39 -0500 >>I still play Devo incessantly, and I always hear something new >>in it, especially the first album produced by Brian Eno. > >Except, demonstrating the silliness of trying to build walls between >decades, that album was released in 1978. Reading myself back, that may have come out with an unintended harshness. If so, sorry about that. It was intended as a neutral observation, not a personal jab. I should have said "futility" instead of "silliness." Time being a continuous and disorderly stream and all that sort of thing... or is it an illusion... delusion... never mind. If you want to keep name-checking 80s-ish people, go right ahead. But don't forget the Yma of the new wave, Lene Lovich. Or the B-52s, who were way ahead of the curve with the thrift-store record influences. Thrift-store records... I should try posting about them sometime. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obit] William Hanna Date: 29 Mar 2001 00:13:17 -0500 Thanks to the Scout Report, here's a bunch o' links to more on the life and times of Mr. Hanna. Lou William Hanna, 1910-2001 Boomerang [QuickTime] http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/boomerang/ Big Cartoon Database -- Hanna Barbera http://www.bcdb.com/pages/Hanna-Barbera/ "Legendary American cartoonist dies" -- BBC News http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/tv_and_radio/newsid_1237000/1 237370.stm "The Passing of a Cartoon King" -- ABC News http://abcnews.go.com/sections/entertainment/DailyNews/hanna010322_obit.html "William Hanna; Innovator in Television Cartooning With Joseph Barbera" -- _Los Angeles Times_ http://www.latimes.com/obituary/20010323/t000025191.html "William Hanna, Who Created Cartoon Characters, Dies at 90" -- _New York Times_ http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/23/arts/23HANN.html MGM Animated Shorts - William Hanna http://www.geocities.com/mgmshorts/creators/hanna.htm William Hanna -- IMDB http://us.imdb.com/Name?Hanna,+William Scooby Doo http://www.scoobydoo.com/ Randy's Tom and Jerry Cartoon Information Site http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/6859/tj.html Unofficial Flintstones and Hanna Barbera Homepage http://members.optushome.com.au/webrock/ The Jetsons Unofficial Home http://www.cybercomm.nl/~ivo/ Legendary cartoonist William Hanna has died at his home in Los Angeles at age 90. Hanna, along with his partner of over 50 years, Joseph Barbera, created some of the world's best known and most beloved cartoon characters, including Tom and Jerry, the Flintstones, Scooby-Doo, Snagglepuss, Yogi Bear, Huckleberry Hound, and many, many others. Hanna got his start as a lyricist and composer with Harmon-Ising Studios, the company that created the Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies cartoon series, in the early 1930s. In 1937 Hanna moved to MGM and soon afterward partnered with Barbera. Their first success was "Puss Gets the Boot," a cat and mouse cartoon that earned an Academy Award nomination and provided the genesis for Tom and Jerry. Between 1943 and 1952 the team won seven Oscars for their animated shorts. After MGM closed its animation division in the 1950s, Hanna and Barbera formed their own company and moved to television, producing numerous successful animated comedies. Probably the best known of these were the Flintstones, a parody of the Honeymooners and the first prime-time cartoon series, and Yogi Bear, who was modeled after Phil Silvers' Sergeant Bilko. Over the years since its creation in 1957 the Hanna-Barbera company developed over 150 cartoon and live-action television series and produced more than 5,000 TV animations, winning eight Emmys in the process. As a testament to the continued appeal of Hanna and Barbera's characters, the Cartoon Network recently created the Boomerang cable network, which exclusively showcases the Hanna-Barbera library. Readers would do well to begin exploring the artistic legacy of William Hanna with the official Boomerang site, which lists a different H-B cartoon for each year between 1958 (Huckleberry Hound) and 1976 (Jabberjaw), along with the hit movies and records and a few news items from that year. The site also provides a program schedule and some QuickTime clips. Another fine resource is the Big Cartoon Database's amazingly deep database of over 5,700 H-B cartoons. News reports on Hanna's life and career are available from the BBC and ABC News, while the _Los Angeles Times_ and _New York Times_ (free registration required) have printed obituaries. The MGM Animated Shorts page offers some background information and a detailed filmography of William Hanna's years at MGM. An even more extensive filmography of Hanna's works can be found at the Internet Movie Database. Finally, the official Scooby Doo page and fan sites dedicated to Tom and Jerry, the Flintstones, and the Jetsons provide further information, sounds, images, and proof that we will never tire of watching Tom get smacked on the head by irons, frying pans, bowling balls, or any other heavy object that is handy. Thank you William Hanna. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul Wages Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Vic Mizzy release on CD Date: 29 Mar 2001 00:38:52 -0500 There are a few MP3 samples at Percepto but not in the store. Go to http://www.percepto.com and click on the "catalog" link. It'll give you a track list and nine samples. It zounds great but pricy! Paul Johan wrote: > has anyone heard it? no online zounds, and pricy! ($20) > > >> VIC MIZZY - SUITES & THEMES >> >> Buy it here: >> http://store.percepto.com/percepto/movtvsoun.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Milhuisen Subject: Re: (exotica) Up with People Date: 29 Mar 2001 08:58:10 +0200 alan zweig wrote: > At 11:21 PM 3/28/01 -0500, Bruce Lenkei wrote: > > > > > >I recently pruchased my first "Up with People" album and am enjoying it > >quite a bit. The title song is a damn catchy tune. My question is: > >Is there more than one UWP album out there, or is this it? > > I bet there's a hundred more. But I have three. > I kind of like a couple of the songs too but I'm not sure you need more > than one. > On the other hand, there's a slow and a more rockin version of their theme > song and you probably should have both. > Being that you're an Up With People completist. I have UWP's "People are the energy". Their music is terrible, but I like the album cover and their whole concept. What is their background? They seem to have a message, but whatever it is, it's so unspecific, I can't figure it out. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 28 Mar 2001 23:07:17 -0800 on 3/13/01 9:04 AM, Eric Taub at eric_taub@wgbh.org wrote: > > Pretty close, "Bach for Bachelor Pads". I think its great; creative and quite > clever...and it bridges the gap between the "exotica" music I like and what my > fiancee (a classical musician) appreciates. Not too many recordings do that. > Eric Have any of you ever heard of Mozartkugeln? not the chocolate, but the group. I'm soon going to see a video of them. They wear 18th century garb complete with powdered wigs and sing in falsetto. I guess they do some Elvis covers. In any event, I can hardly wait!!!! Christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) a question for the scanning experts Date: 28 Mar 2001 23:15:48 -0800 on 3/27/01 7:21 AM, m.ace at mace@ookworld.com wrote: > > >> I've got this occasional scanning problem that pops up, maybe someone could >> come to my rescue. >> >> I don't think it's a moire pattern - but maybe it is. It looks like >> stripes. I've tried scanning with a descreen filter, but have had no luck >> getting rid. > > I've run into that. A friend who knows "old school" printing suggested that > the source material used the duo-tone dot pattern. You might be able to > find a specific filter for duo-tone, but I gave up, myself. Other than > finding a special filter, you might want to try scanning at different dpi > settings and see if any of them make an improvement. It's a pretty nasty > problem. Yes, If you scan at a really high dpi-like 500 or 600, this can help. also, the despeckle filter (in the Noise submenu-at least it was in photoshop 4) can be of use-it has worked for me. but sometimes, as stated above, the duo-tone dot pattern can be so crude that you will never eliminate it completely without tedious hand work with the airbrush tool, which I also have had to do. It can work, you just have to be sure to put your eyeballs back in the sockets when you are through. christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Christine Karkow Subject: Re: (exotica) art vs. craft Date: 28 Mar 2001 23:31:48 -0800 > Art is about reflecting the world back to people so they can see it in a > different way. Whether the elements were thought up in your own head (if > you believe that) or "sampled" from the world is ultimately irrelevant. > Errol Morris's "Thin Blue Line" and Chris Marker's "Sans Soleil" made me > see the world in new and different ways. If that's not Art to you, call it > Sam. It won't change what it is. > > And with that, I really am finished. I could not have said this better. There have for many years been these arguments in academia and the art world about craft vs art, "real" art vs. "not-art" etc. Indeed, there are criteria but the bottom line has to be an involvement with c, in the anthropological sense. As we are probably the most visually and musically literate society to date, we cannot eschew the importance of all things that shape our aesthetic world. For example, TV (Especially TV) advertising, logos etc. But, are all of these landmarks in our lives art? Maybe not, but all of this is certainly source material for those who have an obsessive need to constantly tear apart the world, re-assemble the fragments into some semi-cohesive personal understanding which we hope will touch at least a few people into seeing a new perspective. Christine # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) re: shanghainese pops Date: 29 Mar 2001 15:56:33 +0800 > > jose padilla. anyone know who he is? and finally my favourite track on the > > disc sung in chinese and english was written by j. hendricks and > > is from 56. > > the english title is "i want you to be my baby" and the english lyrics go > > like this: > > That's Jon Hendricks off Lambert, Hendricks and Ross for you. this is what i suspected but was not sure. > > The Chinese and English version of "I Want You To Be My Baby" also shows up > in Tsai-Ming Liang's 1998 Taiwanese film "The Hole." (There are a bunch of > surreal musical numbers.) really?? i have been trying to track down information on the music in that film! do you know any more? all i have been able to find out so far is that the singers english name is "grace chang" and she supposedly was in a bunch of hk musicals. but what i really need is her chinese name preferably written in chinese. anyone out there know? the singer on the comp i just got is named "ge lan" unless that is the name of the group. i definately want more! maybe its the same person. william in taipei. > > Later, > Ben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 29 Mar 2001 09:58:26 +0100 One of my friends observed to me a while ago that we would soon have a generation of kids grown up listening to CD's rather than records as their primary musical medium, and they would have different ways of hearing things due to the quality of the sound available (the super basses and crispy trebles), and I think we have been seeing that for a while particularly with Drum and Bass and the UK garage 2/step thing around at the moment. I know its not to everyone's taste, but its music being created by young people, and I know it may be tempting to think of 40 year olds appearing out of nowhere with chops intact, but its by making music that you learn music and thats how people have always learned music, you play it, evolve (a different thing to getting better) and move on. the interesting thing will be to see what these whippersnappers do with these new ears as they get older and move on. El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.shitola.freeserve.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm http://www.geocities.com/djcheesemaster/ The Stare But change is usually brought about by inquisitiveness and energy, usually the youngest generations. What worries me most is the general lack of this inquisitiveness in today's youth, despite a world of opportunity that has never been so vast... No, my own fears are precisely the opposite of those of Magnus! Progress means differet things to different people.... Brian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) re: shanghainese pops Date: 29 Mar 2001 11:04:38 +0100 jose padilla. anyone know who he is? This has probably been answered, but just in case...... He is a leading figure in Ibiza. I think he owns Cafe Del Mar and has been partly responsible for the musical direction on the island for 20 years or so. And he is a general Cool Balearic dude. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 29 Mar 2001 11:17:06 +0100 One of my friends observed to me a while ago that we would soon have a generation of kids grown up listening to CD's rather than records as their primary musical medium, and they would have different ways of hearing things due to the quality of the sound available (the super basses and crispy trebles), and I think we have been seeing that for a while particularly with Drum and Bass and the UK garage 2/step thing around at the moment. Which is interesting because drum&bass and two step are both musical genres created primarily for vinyl. I'd say that the 'sound' of modern music is down to recording techniques. If you want to make a 2001 R&B record you have to use new technology. If you want to make a 1971 funk record, you're going to have to source original microphones, mixing desk, tape, compressors, etc etc. Vinyl in 12" form is considered to be the best 'sound' for dance music but an opinion like that is so subjective. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Date: 29 Mar 2001 09:42:23 -0500 Alan: Let me just recommend ONE piece of classical music that is VERY VERY good: Holst - The Planets. This is the only thing that Holst ever did that was really *GREAT* - and = it is GREAT. =20 I'm not a classical music listener - I find it stodgy, boring and achingly = formulaic (which it HAD to be - because back then, if you waivered outside = of the "formula" you were out of a job buddie!!!). And I HATE the sound = of a harpsichord (Even if 'ol Enoch Light is using it - like that "Far = Away Places" album - yeach!!). BUT the Planets is different - the Planets is great. Please listen and report back!! - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Date: 29 Mar 2001 15:55:38 +0100 I'm with Alan on this one. I met a guy in a charity shop who is a collector of classical vinyl and finds lots of valuable items in charity shops. I asked him about classical music and explained that I knew nothing (although I'm not completely ignorant). Anyway, after discussion with this guy and a recommended purchase, I have decided thus: First you have to find the piece of music - so I'd have to start listening to records in shops, listening to Classic FM, etc. Then you have to get a good recording - Because I wouldn't want to spend a lot on records I'd try to buy it all second hand rather than on new CDs - so you need to know what orchestra, hall and conductor you should be looking for and then you have to go find that vinyl in A1 condition. My purchase was a Vivaldi Four Seasons LP recorded in Watford Town Hall (apparently using a central mic and outboard stereo mics in a hall with excellent acoustics) in the late sixties conducted by a top conductor. It does sound great and you can clearly pick out each instrument, particularly the harpsichord. There's just too much to learn to get into all that. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Tipsy again! Date: 29 Mar 2001 09:59:35 -0500 Okay, I haven't gotten the new CD yet - it's on the way.........this am I = was listening to one of my home-made comps. and on comes Earl Grant doing = "My Foolish Heart" from his Ebb Tide LP. Instantly I recognized the opening bars as being included in a Tipsy song. = Now, I can't tell you *which* song it's from because that album has the = amazing ability to be almost brand-spanking new every time I listen to it = (that is, the "tune" doesn't stick in my head 'cause there's so much going = on!!) - but it's there, and it sounds amazingly "modern," like it was = created on a keyboard in the rec. studio. - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 29 Mar 2001 08:03:20 -0700 Magnus Sandberg wrote: > I had a cat last year, I named him "tiki", we had so much fun together, > he was a lighthearted fellow. He enjoyed to sleep on my laptop, and > left weird messages on the screen. He liked to rename files. I remember > that I thought, that if I had been on the exotica list I would have > posted these messages from tiki. i named my cat "tabu". he's less than a year old & is also computer literate. he deletes files occasionally & loves to play with the mouse, of course. anyone else call their pets exotica related names? mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Date: 29 Mar 2001 10:11:42 -0500 > From: "Nathan Miner" > Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... > > And I HATE the sound of a harpsichord (Even if 'ol Enoch Light is using it - > like that "Far Away Places" album - yeach!!). > Wow, "Let a hundred flowers bloom, let a hundred schools of thought contend." I don't like NRBQ, someone else (sorry, I forget who) doesn't; I love the trombone front-men, Alan doesn't; Nate can't stand harpsichord, and it's one of my favorite elements of some of Enoch Light's albums (and I love Dick Hyman's "Happening!" album). My favorite use of it is in Mancini's version of the Playboy theme, and if I'm not mistaken there are some particularly sweet moments in the Breakfast at Tiffany's soundtrack with harpsichord solos (aggh, now I can't remember which one it was, maybe it's not B at T's). It's always difficult (and maybe futile) to say why one likes or dislikes a particular sound, but this gets to Alan's recent comment about whether our fascination with exotica, etc., is really about the music or about the panoply of sensations it gives us--reminiscences, associations, and the like (sorry if that's not what you meant, Alan). For me, the use of harpsichord in pop tunes revives memories of the Dean Martin roasts and the awkward transition from the rebelliousness of the 60s to the tacky conformity of the 70s, metal monster station wagons and outlandish color combinations--you might ask why anyone would want to revive the feeling of that time, but I was only about 7 or 8, and I expect that the sounds of the time stir something in me that it's pleasant to recapture, if only for the length of a song. Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) electronic sounds Date: 29 Mar 2001 16:16:57 +0100 i named my cat "tabu". he's less than a year old & is also computer literate. he deletes files occasionally & loves to play with the mouse, of course. anyone else call their pets exotica related names? Um, Does Kevin qualify? Of course, we're separated now. He lives with my parents. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Date: 29 Mar 2001 10:19:38 -0500 <> Ugh! This is another part of classical music that can be a royal = pain-in-the-ass. It is VERY true that variants on the same piece of music can sound so = different. I've heard different versions of The Planets and it CAN make = or break the piece. This is probably more true of classical music than of = pop music - which of course can have HUNDREDS of variations - but if the = tunes a catchy tune then it's hard to really f**ck it up (unless you're a = mongoloid of course - ooops sorry!!!) ;-). Luckily, the best version of The Planets is available on a budget release. = The cover is like the "Extra Extra" headline of a major newspaper. = There's a whole series out. I don't know the conductor or orch. but = there's one part for one of the planets where you have to bang hell out of = those hanging bells to get the full effect of the end of the movement - = and it's *amazing* how other interpretations pussy around and totally RUIN = this part of the movement with lame lame "bell banging!!" (Okay, laugh - = it's funny - but dammit it's true! true!). - Nate # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wlt4@mindspring.com Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Date: 29 Mar 2001 10:21:56 -0500 >There's just too much to learn to get into all that. Sounds to me like you got a classical snob or at best a fan who can't communicate with non-fans. You don't have to know all that stuff, though like anything more knowledge always helps. Don't worry too much about whether you're getting the "right" recordings because there aren't any: classical buffs will argue about these for ever (opera fans are the worst) and too much of that is just trivial. There's been some mention of Stokowski's orchestrations of Bach on the list recently; classical types nowadays generally think these are tacky but I think they're a hoot and there's always plenty of "authentic" Bach around if that's what you prefer. There's probably some radio station in your area that broadcasts classical and most public libraries have albums that can be checked out for free. The Naxos label has an almost endless list of inexpensive ($US 5 to 6) discs covering the gamut from medieval to avant-garde and they generally get positive reviews. One guide book that I've found amusing and helpful is Jim Sveda's Record Shelf Guide though I think it's out of print now (his radio show is still on). The best general history I've found is Jan Swafford's Vintage Guide to Classical Music. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Up with People Date: 29 Mar 2001 07:28:15 -0800 (PST) Don't know much about up with people, other than the gig I was lucky to have been forced to attend as a 6th grader at Our Lady of Evening Joy. If you like your "us" affirming in a more exclusive vein, I unreservedly recommend "Mormon Children Sing." Talk about pep (and passion)! What could be peppier and more heartwarming than a seven year old girl singing "I Want to be a Mother." Or a beaming son's "Dad, Aren't You Glad I'm a Mormon." I am not on a Mission, BW --- Bruce Lenkei wrote: > I recently pruchased my first "Up with People" album > and am enjoying it > quite a bit. The title song is a damn catchy tune. > My question is: > Is there more than one UWP album out there, or is > this it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Date: 29 Mar 2001 16:38:37 +0100 This is exactly what I'm talking about: There's probably some radio station in your area that broadcasts classical and most public libraries have albums that can be checked out for free. The Naxos label has an almost endless list of inexpensive ($US 5 to 6) discs covering the gamut from medieval to avant-garde and they generally get positive reviews. One guide book that I've found amusing and helpful is Jim Sveda's Record Shelf Guide though I think it's out of print now (his radio show is still on). The best general history I've found is Jan Swafford's Vintage Guide to Classical Music. Another genre to learn about, research and spend money on. Brrrrrrrrr. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: (exotica) J J Perrey Library LPs Date: 29 Mar 2001 16:52:33 +0100 How's that for coincidence. All three of Jean Jacques Perrey MP2000 library LPs are currently listed on Ebay. Just an observation. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Taub Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 29 Mar 2001 11:02:04 -0500 I haven't heard of them, but I'd love to hear a report. Speaking of bridges, I don't remember but has anyone mentioned Bacharach = Baroque? Whats that like? Eric =20 > > >Have any of you ever heard of Mozartkugeln? not the chocolate, but the >group. I'm soon going to see a video of them. They wear 18th century = garb >complete with powdered wigs and sing in falsetto. I guess they do some >Elvis covers. In any event, I can hardly wait!!!! > >Christine > > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Date: 29 Mar 2001 11:04:34 -0500 CBC FM (or Radio 2, as I believe it's now called) plays classical music a very large portion of the time, especially in the mornings. I believe all the Canadians on the list should know this... And the Rick Mercer show is on this Sunday night (CBC tv), a one-hour special called "Talking To Americans", which promises to be a riot. They get Americans to congratulate Canada on all sorts of stupidity, including stopping the polar bear hunt in Toronto! cheryl > > There's probably some radio station in your area that broadcasts classical and most public libraries have albums that can be checked out for free. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 29 Mar 2001 11:39:22 -0500 >=20 > Or the B-52s, who were way ahead of the curve with the=20 > thrift-store record=20 > influences. Mikac speak truth. Mikac know good dance pop. =20 I saw The B-52's perform three times. First was in 1981 at the now demolished Capitol theater in Passaic , NJ. Kid Creole and the = Coconuts opened. The whole place jumped, literally danced through the whole = show. Nobody sat. The same thing happened in 1984 at the Garden State Arts = center show. THe whole place danced, in the isles, in their seats. It was = unreal, seeing several thousand people doing the monkey and the frug like some wacked out surf movie. And Cindy Wilson was the mossssst! I loved the = way she moved those hips! Seeing Ricky play guitar was an experience in = itself, the way he leaned into his old mosrite.... raving now... =A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA= =B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=20 Charlieman=20 "Everything that can be invented, has been invented." =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 - Charles H. Duell, 1899=A0 =A0=20 =20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: RE: (exotica) Futurist music Date: 29 Mar 2001 08:52:43 -0800 (PST) Speaking of: I found the stereophonic version of Antheil's Futurist piece: Ballet Mecanique, under the direction of Robert Craft (Stravinsky pal who has written some interesting travel memoirs). I don't know how many other recordings are readily available (have not checked to see if this has made it to CD; suspect it has)- but this is unlike anything else... several pianos, jet-propeller (swooshing from speaker to speake)and electric bells. Along with Khlebnikov's Zaum (the auntie in the attic relation of Esperanto), it's one of my favorite things from that fad. --- Nathan Miner wrote: > <> > Ugh! This is another part of classical music that > can be a royal pain-in-the-ass. > > It is VERY true that variants on the same piece of > music can sound so different. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Up with People Date: 29 Mar 2001 12:21:40 EST In a message dated Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:04:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, alan zweig writes: At 11:21 PM 3/28/01 -0500, Bruce Lenkei wrote: > > >I recently pruchased my first "Up with People" album and am enjoying it >quite a bit. The title song is a damn catchy tune. My question is: >Is there more than one UWP album out there, or is this it? I bet there's a hundred more. But I have three. I kind of like a couple of the songs too but I'm not sure you need more than one. On the other hand, there's a slow and a more rockin version of their theme song and you probably should have both. Being that you're an Up With People completist. I actually found one i liked that has a lot of now sound type tunes on it...it was in the wrong "Up With People" cover, but an Up With People cover anyway. so I don't remember the title...If you look closely at the one with the white cover and red print you will see U.W.P. member Glenn Close (spelled Gleen Close) a-singin' with the crew..JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) musical nostalgia Date: 29 Mar 2001 13:18:31 -0500 At 10:11 AM 3/29/01 -0500, Clayton Black wrote: .--you might ask why anyone would want to revive the feeling of >that time, but I was only about 7 or 8, and I expect that the sounds of the >time stir something in me that it's pleasant to recapture, if only for the >length of a song. . Most record collectors I've met are focussed on music they first heard as a young person. I don't think that applies particularly to people on this list. And it doesn't particularly apply to me either. OR so it seems. Most of these collectors actually had theories about this phenomenon. They'd say things as specific as "The music you hear in Grade 5 is the music you'll love your whole life". In general though, they believed that the time between 11 years old and 14 years old was the most significant in determining your taste. I'm certain that almost everything I like is somehow traceable to things I heard as a young person. That almost goes without saying, doesn't it? But most of the people I met actually liked the exact same thing they loved at 12 whereas in my case - and in most of YOUR cases too - that's not true. They liked the Beatles at 12; they collected the Beatles at 45. And that's pretty well all they're interested in. I know my present tastes are influenced by TV soundtracks and talk show crooners and lots of things I tried to ignore as well as by the rock n roll I was activiely interested in. But I always feel like I'm looking for something new. The new thing may be related to the old thing; I'm sure it is. It's just that I never go looking for something because "I loved this when I was 12!" My soft pop obsession is the only thing I can think of which is directly related to stuff I actually liked as teenager. Maybe I experience some kind of nostalgia there, I don't know. I know I've said this before but the poignant aspect to this issue occurs when people tell me "This is the music I liked the last time I was really happy". As soon as I find some kind of job, I'll be out of your hair. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 29 Mar 2001 13:24:32 -0500 At 11:02 AM 3/29/01 -0500, Eric Taub wrote: > >I haven't heard of them, but I'd love to hear a report. >Speaking of bridges, I don't remember but has anyone mentioned Bacharach Baroque? Whats that like? It's been mentioned lots of times. But there are (at least) two Bacharach Baroque records. One is German (or Dutch) and it really does try for a baroque harpsichordy sound. It's okay. I wouldn't go out of my way to find it but it's okay. A couple of above average cuts. The OTHER Bacharach Baroque by the Renaissance is American and if you like peppy arrangements, wordless vocals and Bacharach tunes - as I do - it's one of the greatest records ever recorded. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Taub Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music Date: 29 Mar 2001 13:47:05 -0500 Thanks Alan. I didn't realize there were 2. The one I had heard about = was by Renaissance. This sounds like something I'd like. I've done a = bit of searching on the net for it, but haven't seen it available on a CD. = I'm betting that my fiancee would appreciate the other recording more.=20 Does anyone know if either are available on CD? Thanks- Eric > >It's been mentioned lots of times. But there are (at least) two Bacharach >Baroque records. One is German (or Dutch) and it really does try for a >baroque harpsichordy sound. It's okay. I wouldn't go out of my way to >find it but it's okay. A couple of above average cuts. >The OTHER Bacharach Baroque by the Renaissance is American and if you = like >peppy arrangements, wordless vocals and Bacharach tunes - as I do - it's >one of the greatest records ever recorded. > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clayton Black Subject: Re: (exotica) musical nostalgia Date: 29 Mar 2001 13:52:03 -0500 > But I always feel like I'm looking for something new. The new thing may be > related to the old thing; I'm sure it is. It's just that I never go > looking for something because "I loved this when I was 12!" > My soft pop obsession is the only thing I can think of which is directly > related to stuff I actually liked as teenager. Maybe I experience some > kind of nostalgia there, I don't know. > I know I've said this before but the poignant aspect to this issue occurs > when people tell me "This is the music I liked the last time I was really > happy". In some cases I DO look for albums I listened to when I was a kid, like the Mason Williams Phonograph Record, which I still love. But it's usually not that specific. What I was referring to with regard to Harpsichord was that it evokes the feel of the time, although I don't remember that time for its happiness (and Lord knows, certainly not for its good taste). It's just that I think I liked it then, it disappeared from my life and from radio waves, and now I have the chance to have it back. But, like you, I am even more interested in finding what is new to me, even if it's older than me. I had a happy childhood, but I don't really think I'd want to go back (certainly not to the 70s, which, I agree with bigshot, was a time of wretched, albeit humorous in retrospect, aesthetics). Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" Subject: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... Date: 29 Mar 2001 10:20:57 -0500 Two U.S. classical labels that issued particularly noteworthy vinyl are the RCA Victor "Living Stereo" series, with the "shaded dog" label (a darker shaded area behind the picture of Nipper), and the Mercury "Living Presence" series. Both were issued in the late 50s/early 60s and are superior examples of the recording art. Mint copies of these recordings are highly sought after by collectors and certain albums in these series can easily sell for in excess of $100. Larry -----Original Message----- First you have to find the piece of music - so I'd have to start listening to records in shops, listening to Classic FM, etc. Then you have to get a good recording - Because I wouldn't want to spend a lot on records I'd try to buy it all second hand rather than on new CDs - so you need to know what orchestra, hall and conductor you should be looking for and then you have to go find that vinyl in A1 condition. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) Tipsy live at The Stork Club/wfmu Date: 29 Mar 2001 14:23:51 -0500 http://archive.wfmu.org/archive/SC/sc010318.ram # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Antanas Gustys" Subject: (exotica) "Baltic BeBop"(CD review) Date: 29 Mar 2001 22:17:57 +0300 "Baltic BeBop" by Mel Huang One of the most creative and experimental jazz formations in Lithuania is the Dainius Pulauskas Sextet, which is composed of six incredibly talented jazzmen. On one autumn night in 1998, Dainius Pulauskas staged a fabulous performance in Vilnius, which was later released as an album titled Autumn Suite. The four-part mini-epic goes beyond demonstrating the skills of the musicians, but it is also a mixture of various sub-genres of jazz and sub-links into other genres, such as fusion, freeform, retro, progressive and classical, among others. In other words, the album is highly experimental, full of improvisations and demonstrates what Lithuanian jazz is all about. Led by pianist and keyboardist Dainius Pulauskas, the Sextet descends into hedonistic passages of free expression at one moment only to segue into a structured passage moments later. Pulauskas's use of some retro synthesizer sounds recalls the wild fusion of Joe Zawinul and Chick Corea from the 1970s, but that is only a small fragment of the mosaic of styles and sounds in this piece. At times, Pulauskas's restraint allows the other musicians to really shine, and it also shows a dedication to the composition. The Dainius Pulauskas Sextet is one of the most famous jazz bands in Lithuania. Since forming the sextet, Pulauskas has become famous as an original improviser, composer and arranger in the fusion and rock-jazz realm. One of the most fascinating aspects of this four-part piece is the work of the two percussionists. Drummer Linas Buda, a fabulous technician in his own right, is complemented perfectly by percussionist Arkadi Gotesman, himself a leading drummer. The drums and percussion play more than a backing role here; like in some of the radical fusion acts of earlier years, such as Brand X, the drums at times become the second lead, playing almost impishly in the background above the horns. A good segment of the lead is played by saxophonist-extraordinaire Vytautas Labutis. His remarkable skills enable him to go from Charlie Parker-like anarchy to a lonely alto sax soliloquy, and they show why he has become famous beyond his native Lithuania. Trumpet player Valerijus Ramoska plays a sweet horn, leading the charge often with brassy outbursts to detailed and emotional lines that bring out that autumn feel perfectly. As a bass player myself, I tend to be more critical of bassists than other musicians. However, bassist Vladislav Borkovski is extremely talented and is one of the smoothest walkers I have heard in a long time. In some of the double-time passages his work alongside the percussion is just tantalising. He even employs some choice bass chords during the opening of part three. In a way, this piece is a juxtaposition of contrasting elements. Set in somewhat of a classical structure, a fusion feel soon creates the space for unrestrained improv and silence alike, and, at times, the band even crosses over into the structures of progressive rock. At times, you can almost hear Miles Davis playing with 1970s symphonic Genesis in the latter bits of part three. The horn-sax attack, backed by a dazzling piano and walking bass, conjures up visions of more straightforward jazz; however, that is shattered and reaffirmed almost by the juxtaposition of contrasting bits, whether it comes from the sound effects, the synthesisers, the percussion or from the dazzlingly inspired playing. This four-part piece really does have an autumn feel to it, with the piano so crisp at times that it sounds like rain hitting fallen leaves on the soil. The flugelhorn recreates the melancholy that is in the slowly cooling weather and shortening days of autumn, while the sax conjures up the turbulence of such a season. The percussions take over for calamitous weather, giving the feel of thunder at the precise moments. It is always an amazing feat when musicians can create instrumental works that speak louder than words in describing scenery and environment, but this talented sextet has achieved. The fourth part sees a return to more traditional sound, a fusion sound that has everyone at their strongest. A fascinating ending to a fascinating piece. The Dainius Pulauskas Sextet is one of the most fascinating and talented jazz ensembles in the world right now. Not locked into specific styles and free to float as their imaginations allow them, they are actually pioneers in the free, but sometimes overly restrictive, genre of jazz. The Sextet has won many awards recently, and let us hope that this pushes the musicians to further success on the international jazz scene. Look out New York. Mel Huang, 10 July 2000 Baltics Editor Central Europe Review The Dainius Pulauskas Sextet is: Dainius Pulauskas: piano, synthesisers Valerijus Ramoska: trumpet, flugelhorn Vytautas Labutis: saxes, bass clarinet Vladislav Borkovski: bass Linas Buda: drums Arkady Gotesman: percussions Autumn Suite was recorded live at Vilnius Jazz 98, on 10 October 1998 Comments,requests,booking: e-mail: office@vilniusjazz.lt web: www.vilniusjazz.lt Buy online D. Pulauskas sextet "Autumn suite" CD - http://www.balticshop.com/cgi-bin/affiliate.cgi?JAZZ:ITEM:1650 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Re: what does music do? Date: 29 Mar 2001 12:39:54 -0800 >Does anybody know anything about how music enters >your brain? > >AZ I think it goes into holes in your ears. Then it swirls around for a while, seeking the lowest point to exit out. Then, later, when you have a bowel movement, it comes out. It's very messy. I would avoid it. And then when you get older you might have to wear diapers. I don't think it's fair to compare classical with other music forms, refering to the earlier arguements. You just end up arguing emotional points. Classical is better than jazz because I like it more. Or, When you listen to classical music you feel deeper emotions. These are personal interpretations. I've felt emotions listening to Coltrane's Interstellar Space that I can't even describe. Same with Tod Dockstader. Same with works by Xenakis. For easy music I could say that I typically feel a sense of overwhelming calm and excitement at the same time, like I do with Sergio Mendes, which typifies a wide assortment of ideas and musical styles that I like in the whole easy music area. But I would imagine that I feel things with some albums that are not that different from the things some people feel when listening to, yawn, Mozart. (Fun to perform but not as fun to listen to, but that's just me.) Sound experience is all about those little hairs in your inner ear vibrating, right? So classical music typically has far more instruments making noise than, say, a jazz band. And exotica has more instruments typically than the average jazz band. And then ambient music or musique concrete has hardly any. Then does the arguement become something like one can enjoy ambient music only about a tenth as much as classical? And if you enjoy, say, ambient music more than classical, does that mean you have hearing loss (which I know I do from some ear operations)? And what if you don't like the new Tipsy as much as the first one? Mr. Unlucky Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) [obits] catching up pt.3 Date: 29 Mar 2001 12:09:18 +0200 I'm surprised that you didn't mention John Phillips... and noone else either. or did I miss a post? Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 29 Mar 2001 12:09:35 +0200 "m.ace" schrieb: > > Thrift-store records... I should try posting about them sometime. > :-) which would be a real novelty in the exotica list... Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) what does music do? Date: 29 Mar 2001 12:09:41 +0200 alan zweig schrieb: > > I know that it is sort of about the music. It's always partly about the music. > But if you're sitting in a club and a piece of music comes on and you go > "Ooh, this is Lush Life. Have you heard the Johnny Hartman/John Coltrane > version?", is that about appreciating the music more? > I'm not sure. I'm not sure either, but I think it's about communication among men. Women do it all the time, about everything, men need things like "music" or "football", to get it going. If you want to call in notorious theories about men being hunters and women collectively growing up children, you may come to simple explanations, perhaps too simple, I don't know. But since men had to communicate silently during the hunt, they had time to analyze what they saw and heard later, sitting around the fire. If they had recordings of what they heard, they would already almost be like you and me. In painting it probably was like that: the first paintings were portraits of hunting preys performed with ashes. This sounds really like Flintstone theory, but you demanded it, when you wrote: > Anyway I'm thinking about a lot of very basic questions. > Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) CD Rom Blanks Date: 29 Mar 2001 12:12:10 +0200 bigshot schrieb: > > If you'd like me to provide you with links to webpages with scientific > research on this, I'd be happy to look them up. > That's nice, thank you, although I don't think I have a lot of time to go much deeper into this. Besides the endless hours I spend with the exotica list, I have to - last not least - get some work done ;-) Actually my brand of CDRs work really fine with my burner now and as long as this's the case, I'm happy. It's strange though that my usual daily computer news servers never had a story about burning problems. I guess the scientists may not have come to a conclusion about it themselves - or they don't know the sources that you know. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: (exotica) new Terry Riley Date: 29 Mar 2001 12:12:25 +0200 Anyone into Terry Riley? I read, he's got a new album out and was just wondering, how it is. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Taro HOSHIJIMA Subject: Re: (exotica) re: shanghainese pops Date: 30 Mar 2001 07:09:32 +0900 On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:56:33 +0800 "William" wrote: > the singers english name is "grace chang" and she supposedly was in a bunch > of hk musicals. but what i really need is her chinese name preferably > written in chinese. anyone out there know? the singer on the comp i just got > is named "ge lan" unless that is the name of the group. i definately want > more! maybe its the same person. The SAME person. See: http://www.gracechang.com/ Sorry if you can't read Chinese :) I've recently got the Japanese re-compilation cd of HK-Pathe reissue series we found at the basement of Sony building. It was still there :) "In the Mood for Love" starts showing here this weekend. I got an advance ticket :) Zai Jian, Taro # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) [obit] John A. Alonzo Date: 29 Mar 2001 17:46:37 -0500 March 29, 2001 http://allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=B79421 http://us.imdb.com/Name?Alonzo,+John+A. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22John+A.+Alonzo%22&btnG=Google+Search John A. Alonzo, Cinematographer, Dies at 66 John A. Alonzo, a Hollywood cinematographer, died on March 13 in Los Angeles. He was 66. Mr. Alonzo was nominated for an Academy Award for his work on Roman Polanski's 1974 murder mystery, "Chinatown," which starred Jack Nicholson and Faye Dunaway. His other credits included "Harold and Maude," "Norma Rae," "Black Sunday," "The Bad News Bears", "Vanishing Point" and "Star Trek: Generations". He also contributed special material to "Close Encounters of the Third Kind." One of his early short subjects, "The Legend of Jimmy Blue Eyes," also received an Oscar nomination. Born in Dallas, Mr. Alonzo grew up in Guadalajara, Mexico, and Los Angeles. He started working in television and then tried his hand at acting, playing bit parts in several films including "The Magnificent Seven." He also photographed a television series for National Geographic, and directed the television films "Belle Starr," with Elizabeth Montgomery as the Western outlaw, and "Blinded by the Light," about a religious cult, with Kristy McNichol. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: RE: (exotica) The Golden Age Date: 29 Mar 2001 18:11:34 -0500 >Mikac speak truth. Mikac know good dance pop. Unfortunately, Mikac is off on an extended adventure down the dormant volcano of Mount Xabat, chasing legends of a lost subterranean city of jade and crystal, with towers of finely wrought vinyl and the reputed hiding place of the single pressing of the unknown, never-heard Les Baxter/Ornette Coleman collaboration, "This Is Our Ritual Of The Free" -- of which it is said that there is no telling what may happen to the universe if a needle should ever glide into the inescapable maelstrom of its entry groove. One only hopes to someday find Mikac's account in a battered and yellowed paperback book on a dusty thrift-store shelf. m.ace mace@ookworld.com http://ookworld.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: (exotica) expectations of exoticness Date: 29 Mar 2001 18:35:16 -0500 I found the following excerpt a few days ago while searching the web, and thought it applied to the world of exotica music -- of how the final importance was matching the viewers/listeners expectations of the exotic, rather than showing the world in all its nitty-gritty reality. A friend of mine who recently returned from Africa told me about the battles and and alliances in the bush, where multiple film crews from different networks and natural history programs were attempting to get shots of the same animal without getting each other in the shot. The noise and the lights and the generators transformed the wild into something else, but the product would ultimately be cut and dubbed to reflect the idealised image of 'nature' that audiences demanded Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) re: shanghainese pops Date: 30 Mar 2001 00:59:36 +0100 Taro HOSHIJIMA wrote: > See: > > http://www.gracechang.com/ > > Sorry if you can't read Chinese :) Nice record covers, but I miss audio examples. Anyone know any good (=oldies) Asian music sites that have some? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) musical nostalgia Date: 29 Mar 2001 19:08:08 EST In a message dated 3/29/1 1:52:59 PM, clayton.black@washcoll.edu wrote: >I don't really think I'd want to go back >(certainly not to the 70s, which, I agree with bigshot, was a time of >wretched, albeit humorous in retrospect, aesthetics). But remember, the Soul-Funk-Disco sounds were at their analogue besssst then. Black Music, particularly the LP really peaked in creativity at that time. The lushness, the hard-driven funk, the rare groove, the beauty of the group ballad, the use of bass as a clearer aural driving force behind the music, have an everlasting sound that got kicked to the curb by the digital and synth era of the 8T's. I think FPM is onto something when he re-introduces the disco sound in a new context. JB/proud discophile # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: what does music do? Date: 29 Mar 2001 19:09:37 EST In a message dated 3/29/1 3:40:56 PM, fcobalt@lycos.com wrote: >I think it goes into holes in your ears. Then it swirls around for a while, seeking >the lowest point to exit out. Then, later, when you have a bowel movement, it comes >out. It's very messy. I would avoid it. And then when you get older you might have >to wear diapers. That would "Depend" on the listener, wouldn't it? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) what does music do? Date: 29 Mar 2001 19:13:23 EST In a message dated 3/29/1 3:43:53 PM, moritz@derplan.com wrote: >I'm not sure either, but I think it's about communication among men. Women do it >all the time, about everything, men need things like "music" or "football", to >get it going. Men, according to the Mrs., seek to quantify an otherwise unquantifiable experience called life by measuring, statistifying, and adding up the innumerable factors to explain the otherwise inexplicable. Women, on the other hand, according to the Mrs., embrace the harmonic universality of Earthly Existence and disdain the numbers game...This my friends is the difference between the sexes (according to the Mrs.)..JB/its 1969 ok, all across the USA # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: Re: (exotica) Up with People Date: 29 Mar 2001 17:52:38 -0700 i bought a record this week by a group similar to Up With People called The Young Americans ("a non profit corporation dedicated to promoting understanding and good will through youth and music"). the record was produced and arranged by Anita Kerr. anyone familiar with this group? the liner notes refer to a feature film about the group, also called"Young Americans" which hadn't been released yet. anyone seen this film? mike # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tipsydave@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Tipsy again! Date: 29 Mar 2001 20:02:39 EST In a message dated 3/29/01 7:00:57 AM, nminer@jhmi.edu writes: << Okay, I haven't gotten the new CD yet - it's on the way.........this am I was listening to one of my home-made comps. and on comes Earl Grant doing "My Foolish Heart" from his Ebb Tide LP. Instantly I recognized the opening bars as being included in a Tipsy song. Now, I can't tell you *which* song it's from because that album has the amazing ability to be almost brand-spanking new every time I listen to it (that is, the "tune" doesn't stick in my head 'cause there's so much going on!!) - but it's there, and it sounds amazingly "modern," like it was created on a keyboard in the rec. studio. >> Amusingly enough, the same couple bars show up on Stock, Hausen & Walkman's "Organ Transplants", recorded about the same time as "Trip Tease". Weird, huh? -dave # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Listening to Music Date: 29 Mar 2001 17:17:09 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:34:56 -0500 >From: alan zweig >Subject: (exotica) what does music do? > >At the same time I was thinking about bigshot's "advice" that I start to >listen to classical music. >It's not that I don't like it. I like it fine when I hear it. I just >don't feel the ambition to start down another musical tributary at this >point. I can understand that. I've always limited myself to really seriously exploring no more than two or three types of music at a time. I still have some kinds of music that I am deliberately saving for the future when I have the time to focus on them. >The other thing I was thinking about was bigshot's contention that he's >"educated" himself about these things. Mostly I was thinking about him >saying that IF you educate yourself, you will appreciate more. >I suppose that's true. >But are you appreciating something MORE or just in a different way? Well, a good example I found in my particular explorations was Fats Waller. He and Cab Calloway were my introduction to Jazz. I read a book on him and immersed myself in his recordings and I discovered that he was able to make even the crummiest song sing. In the book I read on him, it said that he studied classical music and was inspired in many of his own compositions by Bach. So I went out and found some recordings of the pieces that the book mentioned and it was like a lightbulb turned on. All of a sudden I could hear Bach in Waller's piano playing. >One of the "themes" of my film was that record collecting is NOT >about the music. Huh? It's all about the music, isn't it? >It seems to me that classical music is a certain kind of music. That >sounds self evident except that some people who listen exclusively to >classical music say that they can get everything they need to get out of >that one kind of music. >And I want to say "I don't think you can get from classical music what I >get from Hank Williams. Or the American Music Club. Or Sarah Vaughn. That's true. What people mean when they say that classical music is all they need is that classical music covers every possible human emotion from angry to happy to wistful to comic... and all gradations between. Classical music also runs the gamut from extremely complex musical structures to very simple ones. >But all this begs the question of what you get from music. How do you get >what you get? Does the music do it? Or is it your association with the >music? >Does anybody know anything about how music enters your brain? That is a really good question, and it's one I've wondered about too. Music seems to be some sort of primal language that is hard wired into us. We are born understanding what music tells us on a non-verbal level. The vocabulary of this primal language can be exppanded by listening and thinking about what you hear. It can also open up dramatically like blinders coming off in a flash. It sure is weird. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) The Planets Date: 29 Mar 2001 17:17:14 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Let me just recommend ONE piece of classical music that is VERY VERY good: >Holst - The Planets. Conductors and orchestras make a big difference. I've heard six or eight versions of The Planets, and the best I've heard is Herbert von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic from the early days of digital recording. >This is the only thing that Holst ever did that was really *GREAT* - and = >it is GREAT. =20 By the way, Holst did a lot of great stuff. There is a Naxos bargain CD with Beni Mora that I would recommend highly. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Harpsicord Date: 29 Mar 2001 17:17:16 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:11:42 -0500 >From: Clayton Black >Subject: Re: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... > >Nate can't stand harpsichord, and it's one >of my favorite elements of some of Enoch Light's albums (and I love Dick >Hyman's "Happening!" album). My favorite use of it is in Mancini's version >of the Playboy theme, and if I'm not mistaken there are some particularly >sweet moments in the Breakfast at Tiffany's soundtrack with harpsichord >solos My favorite harpsicord is the jazzy one behind Rosemary Cloony in "Come Onna My House". I also can't think of Bach's Art of the Fugue without thinking of the harpsicord. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) The Planets Date: 29 Mar 2001 17:17:18 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Luckily, the best version of The Planets is available on a budget release. = > The cover is like the "Extra Extra" headline of a major newspaper. = That is Columbia's Budget line. My guess is you are thinking of Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra. That is a very good version. The sound is a bit dated though. The Planets benefits from really good sound. By the way, if you listen to the Planets you won't have to get any of John Williams's soundtracks. He stole it all from Holst. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) The "right" recording Date: 29 Mar 2001 17:17:20 -0800 exotica-digest wrote: >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:21:56 -0500 >From: wlt4@mindspring.com >Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Classical music and Alan's dilemma..... > >Don't worry too much about >whether you're getting the "right" recordings because there aren't any: >classical buffs will argue about these for ever (opera fans are the worst) >and too much of that is just trivial. Actually, there are a lot of REALLY bad recordings out there. His friend's advice is pretty true. Fortunately, quality of performance is usually inversely related to price. The Naxos label has lots of great music for under $7, and the other labels have "twofers" and budget lines that re-release LP era recordings that sound better than current releases. The Penguin Guide is a good place to start. Most big record stores have it. Just use it while you're browsing in the store. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 1021 Grandview, 2nd Floor Glendale, CA 91201 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Listening to Music Date: 29 Mar 2001 20:34:22 -0500 > > >One of the "themes" of my film was that record collecting is NOT > >about the music. > > Huh? It's all about the music, isn't it? It should be all about the music, and it probably is for most Exotica listmembers, but if you see Alan's film, you'll understand what he's saying. He interviews collectors who are way past the stage of "normal", and into accumulating for various reasons. It's a great film, by the way! (no, he didn't pay me to say that...) cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jim gerwitz" Subject: (exotica) Up with People Down in the Dumps OOP Date: 29 Mar 2001 18:22:04 -0800 Up With People recently decided to hang it up after 35 years. Money problems, what else. They are no longer accepting applications for students to join their touring groups (just when i needed a career change) and you only have until April 6th to order from their catalog of CD's, cassettes and sealed LP's. Free CD with each purchase. Hey, this stuff will soon be Out of Print, big bucks on fleabay! Here's their site where you can browse and read the sad news: http://www.upwithpeople.org/content/catalog/merchandise_rec.htm Owner of the obligatory UWP twenty-five cent LP, Jim # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Tipsy again! Date: 29 Mar 2001 21:49:59 EST In a message dated 3/29/01 5:03:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, Tipsydave@aol.com writes: << Amusingly enough, the same couple bars show up on Stock, Hausen & Walkman's "Organ Transplants", recorded about the same time as "Trip Tease". Weird, huh? -dave >> Like they say, Great minds think alike! :) -DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) thrifty fun Date: 29 Mar 2001 22:16:07 -0500 Aah, I finally had a productive trip to the thrift-store today. Not dead yet. I think I'll dole out the reports out one by one over time -- we could use more posts about thrift-store records, no? I'll just note the two 7-inchers right now. They aren't very exotic, but I likes 'em. The Red Norvo Trio - "Dancing On The Ceiling, Vol. 2" - a 4 song 45-rpm EP on Decca, 1954. A tasty combination of vibes (Red Norvo), upright bass (Red Mitchell) and guitar (Tal Farlow "alternating with Jim Raney" (what, they couldn't keep the lineup stable for a 4 song session?)). "Good Bait", "Strike Up the Band", "The Spider's Web" and "Tenderly". Low-key 50s jazz, nothing revolutionary. In a small package like this, it's like a piece of candy. Back cover has a bizarre graphic of stylized vibe mallets, with Norvo's decapitated head serving as the mallet head on some of the sticks. The Mad Lads - "Whatever Hurts You" b/w "No Time Is Better Than Right Now" - on Volt Records (as in Stax/Volt), from the late 60s. A-side is a mid-tempo ballad with plenty of harmonies (doo-wop meets Memphis soul?), B-side is more up-tempo, maybe a bit like a Sam & Dave number. Produced by Allen Jones & Al Jackson, Jr. (MG's drummer/Stax regular). I'm sure our soul specialist, Jimmy, can fill in the details. --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [hype] #20 ISSUE OF COOL AND STRANGE MUSIC MAGAZINE IS HERE! Date: 29 Mar 2001 23:09:29 -0500 #20 ISSUE OF COOL AND STRANGE MUSIC MAGAZINE IS HERE! OUR NEWEST ISSUE OF 64 PAGES OF MUSICAL COOLNESS IS OUT! WITH 8 PAGES OF=20 BLAZING COLOR, IT'S ANOTHER SHARP LOOKING ISSUE!=20 COOL AND STRANGE MUSIC= MAGAZINE Our newest issue is packed with new, informative articles on the coolest and= =20 strangest music you never thought you'd hear about! It features a 4-color=20 cover, lots of high-quality photos, tons of new wacky and weird CD reviews,= =20 and it's more fun than using your Grandma's Jim Nabors albums for=20 skeet-shootin'! =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2 The new issue features a cover store on BILLY MAY: A true legend, BILLY MAY has worked with practically ALL the major recording= =20 stars of the classic recording days. Can you say Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis,= =20 Jr., Peggy Lee, The Four Freshmen, Nancy Wilson, Ella Fitzgerald, Stan=20 Freberg, Nat King Cole?....the staggering list just goes on an on. And= that's=20 not to mention his notable stints playing trumpet in the original Glenn=20 Miller Orchestra and arranging for Charlie Barnett, Alvino Rey and countless= =20 others.=20 Mr. May chats at length about his remarkable career, and he freely tells=20 about his life and career during Capitol Records' formative years. It's a=20 real delight to feature writer Jim Minnick's exclusive interview with Billy= =20 May-our cover man for this issue!=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80 FLORENCE FOSTER JENKINS Like Mrs. Miller, FLORENCE FOSTER JENKINS hold a real special place in our= =20 cool and strange hearts. After all, the portly society lady was well-known= in=20 music circles for her vocalizing of classical arias. Well, not because of= her=20 talent, though. The fact is that Madame Jenkins could not sing in pitch at= =20 all! She was just delusional enough to believe that she was immensely=20 talented! When people jeered at her recitals, Jenkins would dismiss them as= =20 "hooligans," and go right on with her painful singing!=20 Thanks to RCA Records, her lone album is still in print, and has been since= =20 1962! The talented Wilhelm Murg tells the story of this unique lady, with= his=20 in-depth profile of her, using interviews from Madame Jenkins' friend and=20 personal accompanist, Mr. Cosme McMoon. If you haven't heard her "music,"=20 you're in for a treat, and if you haven't read this article on a=20 rarely-discussed singer, you're missing out!=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2=80=A2=E2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2=80=A2=E2 LYNN CAREY INTERVIEW=20 The name LYNN CAREY may not ring a bell, but she definitely has a place in= =20 collector's hearts, if only for the famous '70s record cover showing her=20 breast-feeding a lion cub on her Mama Lion album! =A0But that's only a brief= =20 moment in the long career of the talented (and gorgeous) Ms. Carey, who has= =20 recorded many albums with various rock groups and by herself, as well as=20 appearing in films (LORD LOVE A DUCK,) modeling in Penthouse magazine, and= =20 singing in the legendary Russ Meyer flick BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS.=20 Descended from Hollywood royalty (her dad was actor Montgomery Carey,) Lynn= =20 is one of the most fascinating people we've met in a long time, and her=20 stories of working with many famous celebrities, and her own solo career are= =20 a highlight of this issue. Aaron Milenski does the honors in interviewing= Ms.=20 Carey, and he asks all the right questions. Check it out in this issue. =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 JONATHAN RICHMAN=20 We've had a lot of requests over the years for an article on JONATHAN=20 RICHMAN, and writer David Gofstein makes a lot of people happy with this=20 issue's profile of the eccentric singer/songwriter. He's never become a=20 household name, but Richman has some of his biggest success as of late, with= =20 a high profile appearance in the hit film THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY.=20 Coming out of the punk rock explosion of the '70s, Richman had minor hits=20 with songs like "Roadrunner," and "Pablo Picasso," but his live shows have= =20 always been where he's shone the brightest, and he continues to tour today.= =20 This issue's article on Jonathan Richman is long-deserved and may just=20 make you want to check out his music, if you're not a fan already....=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 BUILD YOUR OWN FAKE SOUNDTRACK=20 If you've ever wanted to score your own film soundtrack, then here's your= big=20 chance! No, you don't need a degree in music, just a nice selection of=20 records in your collection and a little imagination. Mark John Astolfi has= =20 been creating his own "Fake Soundtracks" for years, and in this article he= =20 shows you how you can do it, too!=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2=80 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2 New Artist Profile: TWANG BANG=20 Every once in a while, a CD that shows up at our offices really jumps out= and=20 grabs us, and that was the case when we heard the latest CD from TWANG BANG.= =20 We knew we had to find out about these wacky singer/songwriters, who play a= =20 wild mix of eclectic new wave/psycho-billy with touches of country and folk= =20 and jazz thrown in, too! Their music is hard to describe, and that makes it= =20 better for us, because they definitely stand out of the bunch with their=20 witty, catchy and remarkable tunes about girlfriends, bombs and other=20 unlikely subjects.=20 With just a guitar and scaled-down drumset, Itzi and Redd pump out=20 hi-velocity, vitamin-enriched original tunes that don't fit into any radio= =20 format (that we've heard of,) but that's what makes them cool and strange!= =20 Rich Wilhelm does a great job of describing their unique music and snags=20 some great tidbits of information from the duo.=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [hype] #20 Cool & Strange pt.2 Date: 29 Mar 2001 23:10:18 -0500 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2 THE ED KAZ KOLUMN=A0 Leave it to our regular columnist ED KAZ to point out a few of the more=20 jaw-droppingly comical records in his personal collection, and it's always a= =20 gas to laugh along. Maybe the Richard Kimble album on the left was never=20 meant to be laughed at, but I'm sure even ol' Dick would have to chuckle at= =20 seeing his cummerbund and leisure suit on the cover of this lounge gem.=20 Always a high spot of each issue, Ed tickles the record collector's=20 collective funny bone with his commentary in this issue.=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 MICKEY KATZ=20 Writer Skip Heller has been asking to do a piece on MICKEY KATZ for some=20 time, and we're glad we finally let him! Katz' music is definitely=20 one-of-a-kind--really, how many funny klezmer clarinetist/parodyists can you= =20 name? A long-time artist for Capitol Records, Katz had a long career with=20 Jewish-dialect parodies of pop hits like "Davey Crockett" and "That's Amore'= =20 " (That's A-Morris.")=20 We also learn of his tenure with Spike Jones, performing on Jones' hits such= =20 as "Cocktails for Two" and "Hawaiian War Chant," but Katz had his eye on his= =20 own brand of funny songs, and blossomed into a successful act in the=20 mid-'50s. This scholarly profile makes interesting reading, as we think=20 you'll agree. =20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2=80 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2=80 SERGIO MENDES What can you say about a man that single-handedly fused his native Brazilian= =20 bossa nova with pop and became the most successful Brazilian artist of all= =20 time? The brilliant pianist/arranger SERGIO MENDES ingeniously crafted Top= 10=20 hits out of already-hit-songs by artists like the Beatles "Fool On The= Hill,"=20 Simon and Garfunkle "Scarborough Faire," and Burt Bacharach "The Look of=20 Love," as well as recording many Brazilian tunes that have since become=20 standards.=20 This is a long-overdue profile of an overlooked pioneer who took theball= from=20 people like Gilberto and Jobim and ran all the way to the top of the charts= =20 with it. Writer Curtis Cottrell does a fine job of distilling Mendes' career= =20 with his various groups (Brasil '66, Brasil '77, etc.) and this piece may=20 have you reaching for those records of his from the back recesses of your=20 collection. They're definitely work many more plays.=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2 SAN FRANCISCO RECORD STORES=20 One of our nations favorite cities to vacation is also a great place to pick= =20 up great records, and Giancarlo Davis takes us on a tour of his favorite=20 stops in THE RECORD STORES OF SAN FRANCISCO. Save this article for your next= =20 trip through the Golden Gate and use this article for handy reference.=20 =A0=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 LATIN LP COVERS CENTERFOLD=20 This issue's color Centerfold comes to us through the courtesy of LATIN=20 RECORD collector Don Charles, and it's fun to look at these beautiful color= =20 reproductions from the golden days of the long-playing record, when covers= =20 were BIG and were real pieces of art. =A0 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2 Tie them all together with lots more loads o' fun stuff than we dare= mention,=20 and you'll find a very cool Issue #20 of So get on board! It's gonna be a=20 cool ride through the wild, wacky and sometimes tacky world of records!=20 COOL AND STRANGE MUSIC! MAGAZINE is available at most Borders Books, Tower= =20 Records and Tower Books stores, and we are also in hundreds of newsstands= and=20 independent bookstores around the U.S., so take a look! If you have trouble= =20 locating COOL AND STRANGE MUSIC! MAGAZINE locally, you can order issues by= =20 mail:=20 MOST OF OUR BACK ISSUES ARE SOLD OUT, except Issues #10-#19. Even those are= =20 only available in limited quantities, so hurry! Our earlier issues won't be= =20 reprinted, either, we're sorry to say.=20 Residents of the USA, Mexico and Canada can purchase current SINGLE issues= of=20 Issue #20 for $3.95 + $1 postage. Residents of other countries can purchase= =20 current SINGLE issues of Issue #20 for $3.95 + $3 postage.=20 Back issues #10-19 are available (while they last) for $5 + $1 postage in= the=20 continental United States, and for $5 + $2 postage for overseas orders.= (Only=20 U. S. funds are accepted (cash or International Money Order, or US postal=20 money order.) Canadian checks must be drawn on an American bank for=20 acceptance.) To subscribe (4 quarterly issues), USA residents please send= $15=20 for bulk-mailed issues in the United States. Canadian/Mexican subscriptions= =20 are $20 a year. All other countries are $30 a year. (U.S. funds only.)= Sorry,=20 no credit card payments are accepted at this time. Send your Check, well-concealed Cash or Money Order to:=20 Cool And Strange Music! Magazine=20 1101 Colby Ave.=20 Everett, WA USA 98201=20 COOL AND STRANGE MUSIC= MAGAZINE =A92001 COOL AND STRANGE MUSIC! MAGAZINE / All Rights Reserved=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Leeeeee" Subject: (exotica) electronic music and beyond Date: 29 Mar 2001 21:15:29 -0700 hi, yellow magic orchestra's beautiful electronic cover of martin denny's firecracker almost sums up my feelings on everything. well while the iron is still hot... i just figured i'd blatantly promote another email discussion list. Pop Nouveau was birthed as an (to my mind) offspring of this here exotica list. i've been off and on this list for many a year, but found myself wanting a seperate list for new music coming out that reflected similar vibes and sounds to the exotica/easy/etc. fare. there's the more obvious "pop nouveau" bands like tipsy, combustible edison, arling and cameron, fantastic plastic machine, etc... and then there's the less obvious ones like maybe ladytron or qypthone or mansfield, etc... but almost anything goes. older artists pop up, but mainly we're interested in current/recent pop music and electronic music that some exotica list folk might not care about (ahem). also it's a good place to keep up on some cool artists and dj's who update the list with their play lists and stuff. wondering what ever happened to Jill Mingo? she's here and she posts her play lists too! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/popnouveau/ To Subscribe send a blank message to: popnouveau-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or email kevin@scribble.com for help. well, thanks for indulging me. i hope you check out our small forum if you're the least bit curious. it's pretty low traffic, too. digest mode available as well as web only mode. kevin lee _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [hype] #20 Cool and Strange pt.2 Date: 29 Mar 2001 23:15:29 -0500 THE ED KAZ KOLUMN=A0 Leave it to our regular columnist ED KAZ to point out a few of the more=20 jaw-droppingly comical records in his personal collection, and it's always a= =20 gas to laugh along. Maybe the Richard Kimble album on the left was never=20 meant to be laughed at, but I'm sure even ol' Dick would have to chuckle at= =20 seeing his cummerbund and leisure suit on the cover of this lounge gem.=20 Always a high spot of each issue, Ed tickles the record collector's=20 collective funny bone with his commentary in this issue.=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 MICKEY KATZ=20 Writer Skip Heller has been asking to do a piece on MICKEY KATZ for some=20 time, and we're glad we finally let him! Katz' music is definitely=20 one-of-a-kind--really, how many funny klezmer clarinetist/parodyists can you= =20 name? A long-time artist for Capitol Records, Katz had a long career with=20 Jewish-dialect parodies of pop hits like "Davey Crockett" and "That's Amore'= =20 " (That's A-Morris.")=20 We also learn of his tenure with Spike Jones, performing on Jones' hits such= =20 as "Cocktails for Two" and "Hawaiian War Chant," but Katz had his eye on his= =20 own brand of funny songs, and blossomed into a successful act in the=20 mid-'50s. This scholarly profile makes interesting reading, as we think=20 you'll agree. =20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2=80 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2=80 SERGIO MENDES What can you say about a man that single-handedly fused his native Brazilian= =20 bossa nova with pop and became the most successful Brazilian artist of all= =20 time? The brilliant pianist/arranger SERGIO MENDES ingeniously crafted Top= 10=20 hits out of already-hit-songs by artists like the Beatles "Fool On The= Hill,"=20 Simon and Garfunkle "Scarborough Faire," and Burt Bacharach "The Look of=20 Love," as well as recording many Brazilian tunes that have since become=20 standards.=20 This is a long-overdue profile of an overlooked pioneer who took theball= from=20 people like Gilberto and Jobim and ran all the way to the top of the charts= =20 with it. Writer Curtis Cottrell does a fine job of distilling Mendes' career= =20 with his various groups (Brasil '66, Brasil '77, etc.) and this piece may=20 have you reaching for those records of his from the back recesses of your=20 collection. They're definitely work many more plays.=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2= =E2 SAN FRANCISCO RECORD STORES=20 One of our nations favorite cities to vacation is also a great place to pick= =20 up great records, and Giancarlo Davis takes us on a tour of his favorite=20 stops in THE RECORD STORES OF SAN FRANCISCO. Save this article for your next= =20 trip through the Golden Gate and use this article for handy reference.=20 =A0=20 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2 LATIN LP COVERS CENTERFOLD=20 This issue's color Centerfold comes to us through the courtesy of LATIN=20 RECORD collector Don Charles, and it's fun to look at these beautiful color= =20 reproductions from the golden days of the long-playing record, when covers= =20 were BIG and were real pieces of art. =A0 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2 =E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2= =80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80= =A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2=80=A2=E2 Tie them all together with lots more loads o' fun stuff than we dare= mention,=20 and you'll find a very cool Issue #20 of So get on board! 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MAGAZINE / All Rights Reserved=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "F. Cobalt" Subject: (exotica) Re: what does music do? Date: 29 Mar 2001 20:18:07 -0800 On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:09:37 DJJimmyBee wrote: > >In a message dated 3/29/1 3:40:56 PM, fcobalt@lycos.com wrote: > >>I think it goes into holes in your ears. Then it swirls around for a while, >seeking >>the lowest point to exit out. Then, later, when you have a bowel movement, >it comes >>out. It's very messy. I would avoid it. And then when you get older you >might have >>to wear diapers. > >That would "Depend" on the listener, wouldn't it? > Yes, if they "Luvs" to listen to music. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Listening to Music Date: 29 Mar 2001 23:57:18 -0500 At 08:34 PM 3/29/01 -0500, cheryl wrote: .>It should be all about the music, and it probably is for most Exotica >listmembers, but if you see Alan's film, you'll understand what he's saying. >He interviews collectors who are way past the stage of "normal", . I don't want to argue about this. So instead, let me tell you about something I saw on TV which I think is related. There was a debate up here a couple of years ago about we would allow the video version of those one-armed bandit gambling machines - they're called something like VDT's - into the province. So they did a report on gambling. And there was this one guy. He went every morning with a cup filled with quarters and started putting them in the machine. If he won, he put the winnings in his cup and kept going. He would leave when he ran out of quarters. Sometimes that took a few hours and sometimes that lasted as much as twelve hours. His winnings weren't winnings. It was just about how long he got to sit there. He said that it barely registered when he won. It didn't matter if he won or lost. He said that he only actually felt something twice in the day. When he sat down at the beginning and when he reached for the next quarter and the cup was empty. It's not a perfect metaphor but that's very similar to me going to look for records. I like looking for records and when you like looking for records, you end up having a lot of them. But I like looking for them. Owning them is almost a necessary evil. The music is an occasional bonus. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) musical nostalgia Date: 30 Mar 2001 09:54:05 +0100 Most record collectors I've met are focussed on music they first heard as a young person. I don't think that applies particularly to people on this list. And it doesn't particularly apply to me either. I've found that people get collective/obsessive/accumulative about the music from around the period of their birth. Perhaps its about trying to work out where you're from, what things were like when you were created etc etc. For me 1967-1973 is the great era (born 1971) I have a few friends who are fanatical about new wave and early electronic music 1976-1982 and all were born around '77. To be honest though, I haven't yet conducted a wide-reaching survey of my observed phenomenon. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 Magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) musical nostalgia Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:37:30 +0200 DJJimmyBee@aol.com schrieb: > In a message dated 3/29/1 1:52:59 PM, clayton.black@washcoll.edu wrote: > > >I don't really think I'd want to go back > >(certainly not to the 70s, which, I agree with bigshot, was a time of > >wretched, albeit humorous in retrospect, aesthetics). > > But remember, the Soul-Funk-Disco sounds were at their analogue besssst then. > Black Music, particularly the LP really peaked in creativity at that time. > The lushness, the hard-driven funk, the rare groove, the beauty of the group > ballad, the use of bass as a clearer aural driving force behind the music, > have an everlasting sound that got kicked to the curb by the digital and > synth era of the 8T's. D'accord totale. It only proves again that it is pointless to speak of "the 70s". One has to make clear wether one doesn't like the jazz of the 70s, the rock, the disco, the soul, the hip hop, the punk, the electronic music or whatever. It's pointless to attack a decade so diverse as the 70s. fact is that not only Tanaka is currently reintroducing disco into contempory music, plus you've gotta be aware that it's meant as dance music. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) [obits] catching up pt.3 Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:37:36 +0200 nytab@pipeline.com schrieb: > I'm confused by your phrase that I didn't post about anyone else - > I'm surprised that you didn't mention John Phillips... and noone else either. "noone else" isn't referring to "John Phillips" here, but to "you". I thought that the Mamas and the Papas would be important enough, that at least a few people would comment a bit on Phillip's death, but.... Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Tipsy again! Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:37:25 +0200 Tipsydave@aol.com schrieb: > > Amusingly enough, the same couple bars show up on Stock, Hausen & Walkman's > "Organ Transplants", recorded about the same time as "Trip Tease". Weird, huh? > No, Zeitgeist! Speaking of it: I recognize a certain similarity between Tipsy and S&W on Uh,oh, conceptwise. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Listening to Music Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:37:21 +0200 bigshot schrieb: > >One of the "themes" of my film was that record collecting is NOT > >about the music. > > Huh? It's all about the music, isn't it? You've gotta see that film, really, and you will not be so sure about it anymore, I can tell you. Like: what is it about when someone collects the very same version of the same song by the same artist a dozen of times just to own every possible pressing that was ever made of this song? Or this one weirdo, who claims that he can tell you by heart every tracklist of each of his 100.000 or so albums... boy, Alan, why didn't you let me get your film broadcasted in Germany? What a loss! Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: what does music do? Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:37:40 +0200 "F. Cobalt" schrieb: > I think it goes into holes in your ears. not only > I don't think it's fair to compare classical with other music forms, refering to the earlier arguements. My friend, who ran the Jazz department of Universal for years and recently took over the Classical department as well, says, it's all Classical music to him. He doesn't want to make a difference between Jazz and Classical, saying that any music eventually will become classical music. He gets a lot of contradiction from the Classical circles for that, but I can see his point. So all you lovers of Classical music, be prepared for a flood of new releases from Universal soon! > So classical music typically has far more instruments making noise than, say, a jazz band. And exotica has more instruments typically than the average jazz band. And then ambient music or musique concrete has hardly any. Sample music has by far the most instruments ;-) Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicola Battista Subject: (exotica) now this is WEIRD (exotica mailing list mentioned on italian Date: 30 Mar 2001 15:49:27 +0200 yesterday nite I came back home and my sister showed me an article about "Morricone and his brothers" from Sette, a magazine included with Italy's #1 newspaper Corriere della Sera. Apart from the fact that it mentioned italian labels reissuing film and library music, and american and japanes fans appreciating lounge/film music from Italy, it also mentioned Alessandroni's legendary whistle performance for "A fistful of dollars", people like Piccioni, Trovajoli, Ortolani and more. Most of it seems based on a conversation with "our" Francesco Adinolfi, author of "Mondo Exotica". It had a couple of nice photos including one of Umiliani in a studio with actress Zeudi Araya (which incidentally resurfaced just these days as a testimonial to a campaign against death penalty... you can find it on this comics website, http://www.fumetto.it/, under the title "Le voci di Caino"; there is a Zeudi Araya .mov file that you can download; Dario Argento and the roman hip-hop band Flaminio Maphia are among the other testimonials). Finally, the weird bit. It mentions Umiliani and it says that when he died the news were spread first in America and only later in Italy. The news "kept secret by the family, arrived through one of the 200 daily emails on the Exotica Mailing List, which is a sort of meeting point for the fans". Ooops. "Sette" mentioning one of my emails... DjB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nicola Battista Subject: (exotica) Ennio Morricone page update + a little request Date: 30 Mar 2001 15:49:18 +0200 hi everyone, this mail is to inform you that http://www.enniomorricone.net while still looking extremely crap ;)) and still in one single page, now includes a decent filmography of the Maestro. Feel free to take a look and write for suggestions etc. Also, someone from Turkey running a Morricone webring and site contacted me a few days ago. I haven't replied yet and now my laptop pc has been stolen while travelling on a train to Bologna. :(((((((( If that person (sorry I can't remember the name) belongs to the exotica list as I suspect, please contact me again. DjB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jonathan richardson" Subject: Re: (exotica) Tipsy again! Date: 30 Mar 2001 06:20:48 -0800 >Amusingly enough, the same couple bars show up on Stock, Hausen & Walkman's >"Organ Transplants", recorded about the same time as "Trip Tease". Weird, >huh? >-dave thats weird, I noticed a lot of similar samples and "sounds" between the 2 records. Is that a cosmic thing or what? Both are outstanding records, with similarities, yet almost completely different in sound and texture. I love them both, but of course the Tipsy more. Right Dave? -jonny _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nytab@pipeline.com Subject: (exotica) Beach Music Official in S.Carolina Date: 30 Mar 2001 10:28:13 -0500 Beach Music Official in S.Carolina By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 8:16 a.m. ET COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- Put on your dancing shoes. Gov. Jim Hodges has signed a bill to make beach music the official popular music of South Carolina. ``Beach music is the music of South Carolina,'' Hodges said in signing the bill Wednesday. ``This new law is an opportunity to honor local artists who have made beach music the international language of good times.'' The law makes beach music the second official state music. In 1999, Hodges signed legislation designating the spiritual as the state's official music. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica)Watching Vinyl Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:00:49 EST In a message dated Thu, 29 Mar 2001 8:34:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, "cheryl" writes: << > > >One of the "themes" of my film was that record collecting is NOT > >about the music. > > Huh? It's all about the music, isn't it? It should be all about the music, and it probably is for most Exotica listmembers, but if you see Alan's film, you'll understand what he's saying. He interviews collectors who are way past the stage of "normal", and into accumulating for various reasons. It's a great film, by the way! (no, he didn't pay me to say that...) I have to agree with Cheryl. I was fortunate enough to obtain a copy of the film. What I think Alan's film accomplishes is that it makes music and acquisition of it a part of a personality that is predisposed to an activity like it. The really surprising part is that not ONE of the people profess an undying love for music, rather most seem to be more obsessed with categorization, sompiling, and in some cases, storage (a major issue in the film). Each real life "character" in Alan's film is a recognizable person. Many points they offer will hit close to home for many here. Its hard to pinpoint it, but what seems to have been accomplished is that he has profiled the vinyl junky, yet made him (and in some cases, her) likable without any artificial additions. And the film takes risks, it is a self-propelling vehicle that goes with the moment, no planned message our outcome....JB/saw NO walking experts in the film, but sure see them everywhere else now that they've been pointed out! as such! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. >> # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Beach Music Official in S.Carolina Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:28:49 EST In a message dated 03/30/01 10:29:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, nytab@pipeline.com writes: << Beach Music Official in S.Carolina By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 8:16 a.m. ET COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- Put on your dancing shoes. Gov. Jim Hodges has signed a bill to make beach music the official popular music of South Carolina. ``Beach music is the music of South Carolina,'' Hodges said in signing the bill Wednesday. ``This new law is an opportunity to honor local artists who have made beach music the international language of good times.'' The law makes beach music the second official state music. In 1999, Hodges signed legislation designating the spiritual as the state's official music. >> and at one time it was the square dance! for real, Beach Music (which used to be called "Race Music") has always been the most identifiable music of South Carolina. TB (South Carolina official state motto: "Voted most likely to secede.") # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) Music versus The Object Date: 30 Mar 2001 12:50:27 -0500 At 11:37 AM 3/30/01 +0200, Moritz R wrote: .> >You've gotta see that film, really, and you will not be so sure about it anymore, I can tell you.. and Jimmy B wrote: >it makes music and acquisition of it a part of a personality that is predisposed to >an activity like it. The really surprising part is that not ONE of the people profess >an undying love for music, rather most seem to be more obsessed with >categorization, sompiling, and in some cases, storage I'm really sorry I referred to my film. I should have been able to make my point without it. And I don't want to argue with the people who've seen the film. But the reason people in the film don't talk A LOT about music is because I don't really let them. Everybody I talked to said it was about the music. The people in the film are no different than the people on this list. It's not like you guys are "normal" as cheryl said and they're not. The only judgement I could make is that some of you are less obsessed than others. The reason I say it's not about the music is precisely because everybody says that it is. There were those for whom it obviously wasn't JUST about the music but those people also say it's all about the music. I know that for ME it's not all about the music. I think there are a lot of people on this list that use records the same way I do. But I don't want to argue about it. I made the film instead. And I'm sorry I brought it up. But I didn't want anyone thinking that, at least according to me, the people in my film are any "weirder" than the rest of us. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) message to luxuria and its chatters Date: 30 Mar 2001 12:54:51 -0500 This is a bit off topic. But last weekend for the first time, I chatted on luxuria. I ran into a couple of exotica listers there. It was cool. But the last few nights I just couldn't get it to work. I just wondered if the people here, like the Millionaire for instance, understand what's happening and whether there's anything I can do about it. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) some guy's musical taste Date: 30 Mar 2001 13:30:24 -0500 I'm on this other list almost exclusively dedicated to "indie" or "alternative" rock. This new member just posted an introduction. It was very long. =20 One of the things he does is list his favorite artists. It's a long list but I really enjoyed reading it. I figured some of you here would also get off on reading his list so here it is: Tell us about some of the music that's meant the most to you over the=20 years?=20 I already mentioned The Sweet, 70's glamrockers, whose bass player I=20 was under the impression was a woman for at least a year (I was only=20 about 11 years old). After that it was Blondie (first gig I ever=20 saw), Television, Patti Smith, Buzzcocks, Aztec Camera, Nuggets,=20 Pebbles, Debussy, Tomita, 13th Floor Elevators, Electric Prunes,=20 Severed Heads, David Axelrod (rightly being rediscovered recently -=20 fantastic string arrangements with rock band playing), Screamin' Jay=20 Hawkins (hooked after seeing Jarmusch's "Stranger then Paradise"),=20 Pearls Before Swine, Throwing Muses, Michel Legrand, Antonio Carlos=20 Jobim, Orbital, Krzysztof Komeda, Plug, Spring Heel Jack, Le Mystere=20 des Voix Bulgares (hearing them live, absolutely mind-blowing), John=20 Barry, Plaid, Spring, William Shatner, Mizuyo Komiya (minimalist=20 koto), The Feminine Complex, Les Baxter, To Rococo Rot, The Birthday=20 Party (saw their last gig ever), Sea Urchins, The Poppy Family,=20 Antonio Carlos Jobim, Xavier Cugat, Baden Powell, Tim Buckley, Mouse=20 on Mars, Armando Trovailoi, Jiang Jian-hua (ehru player), Nancy=20 Sinatra & Lee Hazlewood, Tarnation (most underrated band on 4AD),=20 Jeff Buckley, Takeo Yamashita, Scott Walker, Bertrand Burgalat, Bob=20 Crewe Generation Orchestra, Circadian Rhythms, Jimmie Haskell & His=20 Orchestra, Laura Nyro, Louis and Bebe Barron, Miles Davis, Red House=20 Painters, Cal Tjader, Dead Can Dance, Ennio Morricone, Henry Mancini,=20 Neil Young, Vasmalom (folk from Romania), Eden Ahbez (some of the=20 mellowest, most beautiful spiritual music I've ever heard), Nicola=20 Conte, Misterogers, Future Sound Of London, Squarepusher, Gustav=20 Holst, Sons Of Silence, My Bloody Valentine, Fran=E7oise Hardy, Lalo=20 Schifrin, Maurice Dalle, Michel Polnareff. There's too much to say=20 about these wonderful musicians.=20 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "m.ace" Subject: Fwd: Re: (exotica) thrifty fun Date: 30 Mar 2001 13:29:44 -0500 Actually from DJJimmyBee: >Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:06:03 EST >From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com >Subject: Re: (exotica) thrifty fun > ><- on Volt Records (as in Stax/Volt), from the late 60s. A-side is a >mid-tempo ballad with plenty of harmonies (doo-wop meets Memphis soul?), >B-side is more up-tempo, maybe a bit like a Sam & Dave number. Produced by >Allen Jones & Al Jackson, Jr. (MG's drummer/Stax regular). I'm sure our >soul specialist, Jimmy, can fill in the details.>> > >The Mad Lads were Stax's answer to the plethora of vocal groups out of >Detroit, Chicago, New York and all the other urbane urban centers. While >I'm sure most on the list know that Stax epitomised the "southern" sound >of soul music in the 6T's, they did want to carve a niche on the sweet >side of the sound as well. The Mad Lads did this quite well, although the >music STILL has that stripped down sound of Stax but the vocals have none >of that Roadhouse Growl and all of the softness of the post doo-wop/soul >group crooners...biggest hit, "Don't Have To Shop Around (Anymore)", but >the single "Whatever Hurts You" is their best IMHO...JB-if you can forward >it to the list I would appreciate it # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: (exotica) oooops my mistake Date: 30 Mar 2001 13:33:36 -0500 I just posted "some guy's taste" under the mistaken impression that it was a new listmember introducing himself. In fact it was an interview with some guy named Ian Masters from a band I have heard of called the Pale Saints. Still, it's a very cool list and it almost makes me want to check out the band he was in. Almost. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Ennio Morricone page update + a little request Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:19:34 -0800 (PST) I think there is a local barrister up that way who does pro bono investigation into cases such as these... unless he's gone into hiding. --- Nicola Battista wrote: > and now my > laptop pc has been stolen > while travelling on a train to Bologna. :(((((((( > If that person (sorry I can't remember the name) > belongs to the exotica > list as I suspect, please contact me again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collazzi Subject: (exotica) Up With People / Up With Lunch Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:22:54 -0800 Look real hard, you'll see Glenn Close on the back cover. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Collazzi Subject: (exotica) Young Americans Date: 30 Mar 2001 11:29:35 -0800 > i bought a record this week by a group similar to Up With People called > The Young Americans ("a non profit corporation dedicated to promoting > understanding and good will through youth and music"). the record was > produced and arranged by Anita Kerr. anyone familiar with this group? > the liner notes refer to a feature film about the group, also > called"Young Americans" which hadn't been released yet. anyone seen this film? > > mike Familiar? I was in the damn group. We toured and did an LP with Johnny Mathis in the 60's (check it out at the thrift shop...50 cent rack). The movie plays occasionally on late late night TV. (I wasn't in it. Too ugly, maybe too ethnic.) Teenagers on the road, puppy love, sneaking out after curfew, etc., very mild by today's standards... C.C. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian Phillips Subject: Re: (exotica) Up With People / Up With Lunch Date: 30 Mar 2001 14:44:00 -0500 >Look real hard, you'll see Glenn Close on the back cover. Yup, as part of the Green Glenn Singers. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Up With People / Up With Lunch Date: 30 Mar 2001 15:25:17 EST In a message dated 3/30/1 2:44:29 PM, hagar@mindspring.net wrote: >>Look real hard, you'll see Glenn Close on the back cover. > >Yup, as part of the Green Glenn Singers. written on the label as Gleen Close # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Music versus The Object Date: 30 Mar 2001 15:56:35 -0500 > I know that for ME it's not all about the music. I think there are a lot > of people on this list that use records the same way I do. > But I don't want to argue about it. I made the film instead. > And I'm sorry I brought it up. But I didn't want anyone thinking that, at > least according to me, the people in my film are any "weirder" than the > rest of us. Oh, but they are!!! Maybe not all of them, but can you honestly tell me the guy who's listening to his entire record collection in alphabetical order is "normal"? (using that word in quotations, because it's all relative, isn't it? What's normal to us is probably far from that to many others...) cheryl # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LukeHiNite@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) The Planets Date: 30 Mar 2001 16:27:13 EST The Karajan version is very dramatic, yes...but Sir Adrian Boult's treatment is the most sumptuous and very near the way Holst intented himself. Holst conducted the Planets in the 1920s for British Columbia---twice--and the electric version is of course superior to the earlier acoustic 78s. EMI did produce a reissue of Holst's version on lp as well. For Boult, the original Westmisnter LP version is spectacular in mono and must be a joy in true stereo. The later re-make for Angel in the 1960s is still the version i listen to the most...a refinement by a close protege over years of playing it. pvc www.secretmuseum.net tune in: wfmu.org # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: Re: (exotica) a little request Date: 30 Mar 2001 17:11:49 -0500 > Also, someone from Turkey ....... > If that person belongs to the exotica > list as I suspect, please contact me again. and could this person please contact me also - especially if they live in the Istanbul area? I will be taking a vacation to Istanbul next month, so if anyone has any information or suggestions on how to enhance the 'exotica' aspect of my journey, please feel free to pass them my way. Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Music versus The Object Date: 30 Mar 2001 17:19:18 EST In a message dated 3/30/1 4:15:40 PM, cheryls@dsuper.net wrote: >>But I didn't want anyone thinking that, at >> least according to me, the people in my film are any "weirder" than the >> rest of us. >Oh, but they are!!! Maybe not all of them, but can you honestly tell me the >guy who's listening to his entire record collection in alphabetical order is >"normal"? Well, yes and no. The immediate reaction is "how weird!" But look at your own collection. Then make a decision to actually listen to each thing (which begs the question, who among us listens to every track on every album we get?). The guy may have decided to listen to each one because he felt he was spending too much time on the consumption end and not enough on the appreciative end....Anyway, OK, you've made the decision to finally listen to the collection for real. How to go about it? Well, you already have them filed alphabetically, or by genre, or however you file .I do it by genre, but my soul LP collection also needs alphabetizing or I'd never be able to find an LP quickly. I don't do each letter in order, but all the "A" groups are under A. It may be an Ax group first and Acme second, but the A's are in one area. In that case, it makes sense to listen alphabetically IF I decide to do it......doesn't it?...JB/and that doesn't even count DJ's who buy more than most consumers to play on their radio shows or at their gigs. For they listen thoroughly even less than "at home" vinyl junkies # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) a little request ----Turkey!!! Date: 31 Mar 2001 00:36:30 +0200 (CEST) > I will be taking a vacation to Istanbul next month If you have time, try to visit the region "Anatolia", =DCrg=FCp was a tow= n=20 close to a fantastic place with something the turks called "fairy=20 chimneys". I have never seen such a surrealistic landscape. There was=20 also underground cities with up to 12 floors in them. Totally=20 incredible, I can send you some pictures if you like, if I can find=20 them. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!! Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) message to luxuria and its chatters Date: 30 Mar 2001 19:01:41 -0500 >From: alan zweig >This is a bit off topic. >But last weekend for the first time, I chatted on luxuria. >I ran into a couple of exotica listers there. >It was cool. >But the last few nights I just couldn't get it to work. >I just wondered if the people here, like the Millionaire for instance, >understand what's happening and whether there's anything I can do about it. > As far as I'm concerned this is not off topic. Hopefully the Mill will chime in with some real information. He knows all about the tech problems. Noticed last night especially it was hard to get in the chat room. Luxuria is now part of something called "Clear Channel". I guess, during the switch, they moved over to new servers?? And there have been problems. Just keep trying to listen. They have encouraged us to comment on the technical difficulties by emailing feedback@luxuriamusic.com. I think they are passing on the comments to Clear Channel. The buzz will help. Sorry if i'm stepping on your toes Mill. But you know I'm a rabbid fan of the Lux (am listening to it right now). The chat room is awesome. 'ol Jack Diamond is in their a lot and I even met one of *my* listeners there since I occasionally mention it on the air. So hopefully Luxuria is getting a lot of hits from Northwest MA and Lower NH. Go Luxuria. Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL 91.5FM Friday’s 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/listen.html (On Real Audio) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Music versus The Object Date: 30 Mar 2001 20:55:01 -0500 At 03:56 PM 3/30/01 -0500, cheryl wrote: > but can you honestly tell me the >guy who's listening to his entire record collection in alphabetical order is >"normal"? I hope you won't be offended. I think you will be. I'm sorry. I can honestly tell you that the guy you refer to, is no less normal than you are. In my opinion. He has a wife, a kid and a good job. What he did was absolutely logical. He just showed a little more commitment to that logic than most people would. You wouldn't have done that. On the other hand, it seems to me that you and your spouse also demonstrate a strong focus and commitment to finding, sharing, listening to, talking about, writing about... "records". Everybody says "it's about the music" because the idea of simply collecting is somehow embarrassing to them. The best term for some of the people in my film is "ecstatically marginalized". If anyone wants to tell me they're slightly less marginalized, I'll accept that. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: Re: (exotica) Music versus The Object Date: 30 Mar 2001 22:51:38 -0500 > > but can you honestly tell me the > >guy who's listening to his entire record collection in alphabetical order is > >"normal"? I'm one of those people who listens to their CDs in a somewhat unusual fashion. I used to have my CDs arranged alphabetically by artist, but several years ago the number of CDs overran the shelfspace, so now there's several rows of CDs sitting on the floor in front of the shelf in haphazard fashion. A while back I decided that I should listen to all of my CDs. So I started with one row and worked my way through one by one. I just finished working my way through all the floor rows, and now I'm starting on the actual shelves themselves. I'm going backwards though .... In the past few days I listened to my Hank Williams singles collection, and a few by the Violent Femmes, and am now listening to Ben Vaughn. In a couple months, after I have listened to a certain Tori Amos CD, I will have been able to say that I have listened to all my CDs. This is very enjoyable for me. I love rediscovering a great song on a CD that I had completely forgotten about. Before I started doing this, I would find myself listening to a few favorite CDs over and over and over again. I decided that this wasn't much different than a Top 40 station playing the same song over and over again, so I decided to listen music to the way I do now. In a way, my personal format is the equivalence of listening to a new radio station - one that only plays only music that you already like and would consider purchasing, without many repeats at all .... and best of all, no advertising or silly dj banter. I'm not locked into this alphabetical mode. If I absolutely must listen to a certain song or CD, if I am especially sad one day and want to listen to a certain Lou Reed song, then I will simply locate that CD and listen to it. And when its done, I resume back where I left off with my other cds. Generally though, I let things flow as they are without interuption. The more I think of it, the more I can compare this alphabetical process with a Zen 'take things as they come' approach. In a way its training me for life. One never knows if the next day will be a happy day, or a hectic day, or a sad day -- but no matter what type of day it is, we work ourselves through it. In the same way, I never know what the next CD music style will be .... it might full of sad songs, or a very upbeat CD. And if its a happy CD, I know that it won't last forever. And if its a sad CD, I know that it won't last forever either. We don't have the option of switching over on a whim to a different day if we don't like the one we're currently living, and I'm not sure if I would want that power. I guess I do have the power to impose the type of music that I will be listening to that day, but for now I choose not to use that option often. One can never be sure what genre of music will be next, but its nice to know that there is some underlying order behind it all .... even if that order is as simplistic as working one's way through the alphabet. I should say that I listen to music mostly while driving. While at home I do enjoy reading, and prefer a quiet background. This means that I'm always shuffling CDs to and from my car, which in a way is a form of ritual. By the way, I also have a collection of 400-500 cassette tapes that I had home-recorded over the past 20 years. Before I started working my way through my CDs, I worked myself one by one through that entire cassette collection. Part of it was fun, rediscovering again music from long ago .... but it was also more painful, because I forced my self to listen to genres of music that I had long since discarded. It was useful for me though .... when I heard how bad some of my musical choices were way back then, I found myself being a bit more tolerant of today's teenagers for listening to the music they choose to listen. So if my listening methods make me something other than 'normal', so be it. I've learned to accept being considered not 'normal' as a badge of honor. Now I wonder what will happen when I reach that final Tori Amos cd. I look around and see my very large LP collection. It may be a good thing that they no longer make LP players for automobiles. Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) Music versus The Object Date: 30 Mar 2001 23:47:44 -0500 Well, I did say it was all relative. Maybe I'm just jealous that you never included us in your film ;-) I don't consider myself overly obsessive when it comes to music or collecting, but that's in my eyes, I guess. I don't think my parents would agree with that, though...But we're definitely "less marginallized" than some of the people in the film (I think...) cheryl (who keeps all music in alphabetical order, because I'd never be able to find it otherwise, but listens to whatever I feel like, whenever I feel like it) > > I hope you won't be offended. I think you will be. I'm sorry. > I can honestly tell you that the guy you refer to, is no less normal than > you are. > In my opinion. > He has a wife, a kid and a good job. > What he did was absolutely logical. He just showed a little more > commitment to that logic than most people would. > You wouldn't have done that. On the other hand, it seems to me that you > and your spouse also demonstrate a strong focus and commitment to finding, > sharing, listening to, talking about, writing about... "records". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ashleywarren1@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) re: shanghainese pops (Jose Padilla) Date: 31 Mar 2001 11:56:07 EST In a message dated 3/29/01 5:01:48 AM EST, charlesm@contentrepublic.com writes: << jose padilla. anyone know who he is? This has probably been answered, but just in case...... He is a leading figure in Ibiza. I think he owns Cafe Del Mar and has been partly responsible for the musical direction on the island for 20 years or so. >> actually Jose Padilla used to be a DJ at the Cafe Del Mar on the Baleric Island of Ibiza - the big summer holiday party island that is favored by UK clubbers. While most of the clubs on Ibiza play the typical house, techno and other styles of music. Cafe Del Mar was the ultimate chill-out spot. Because of it's situation directly on the beach, cpeople would go there for drinks as the sun was setting and listen to Jose Padilla and other down tempo DJs spin soundtrack music and downtempo grooves leading to more melodic deep house music as the evening I imagine would go on. Jose Padilla has done several tracks hiself peppered throughout the Cafe del Mar series of albums as well as some remixes and a solo album released about three or four years ago. The baton, as I hear, has pased onto Cafe Del Mar's competitor, Cafe Mambo, which is where Jose Padilla now spins. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: (exotica) Horror themed liquer Date: 31 Mar 2001 19:53:40 +0200 (CEST) Drinking moldavian brandy just now (yup, it took me one whole week to stay away from it), called "Count Dracula" (It warms my blood) and got the idea that I should collect horror themed liquer. Do you have any favorites? I know Iceland has a vodka called "black death". There must be a lot more, I know I have seen horror themed Tequila, cant remember the titles of them though. I have tried to create the ultimate 'outer space comp' today, just like I tried yesterday, and the day before that. It seems it is impossible to find the right ending. "imagination" from Moon gas? "When my dreamboat comes home"? Any other ideas? It has to be "good". Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lou Smith Subject: (exotica) [obit] John Lewis Date: 31 Mar 2001 12:57:51 -0500 NEW YORK (AP) - John Lewis, a pianist who masterminded one of the most famous ensembles in jazz, the Modern Jazz Quartet, died on Thursday. He was 80. The M.J.Q., as the quartet was known, remained mostly unchanged from the mid-1950's to the 90's. It began recording in 1952 with Lewis, vibraphonist Milt Jackson, bassist Percy Heath and drummer Kenny Clarke. When Clarke moved to Paris in 1955, Connie Kay replaced him and the quartet continued until Kay's death in 1994. Lewis contributed the bulk of the group's compositions and arrangements, including ``Django'' and ``Two Degrees East, Three Degrees West,'' and he insisted members wear tuxedos to dignify jazz as an art. He was born in LaGrange, Ill., in 1920, and grew up in Albuquerque, N.M. His entree to the jazz world came during World War II, when he met Kenny Clarke, an established drummer in the nascent bebop movement. At Clarke's urging, Lewis moved to New York after his discharge and eventually replaced Thelonious Monk as Dizzy Gillespie's pianist. He also performed or recorded with Charlie Parker, Lester Young and Ella Fitzgerald. In 1952 he formed the M.J.Q. with Clarke, Jackson and Heath. The quartet was a steady seller of records and concert tickets well into the 1970's. Lewis also taught music at Harvard and the City College of New York, and in the late 1950's helped found the Lenox School of Jazz in Massachusetts. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) Re: What is exotica, anywqy! Date: 31 Mar 2001 00:33:38 -0600 I am crawling out of my flu-induced haze to quit lurking and start posting again. Actually, I tried to post, but it was during the art vs. craft discussion and I felt hopelessly stupid and inarticulate and I would delete all my posts...strange...I'm still feeling hopelessly stupid and inarticulate. Here's my point. AZ wrote: ************** I have a bunch of easy listening and Now Sound records but I don't think I have one that qualifies as exotica. My question, and I'm sure this has come up before: What is exotica, exactly? Is it strange and unusual music, is it easy listening, with lounge thrown in? Is it anything that is not mainstream? And I've heard talk here about Surf music...is that like Jan and Dean and Beach Boy stuff, or is it the stuff like the Venture's did? I'm sure a lot of you are groaning and going, "Not this, again!" So just ignore...but I'm really curious, plus I'm having trouble describing this to my friends, who think I'm a little on the edge anyway. Thanks. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Horror themed liquer Date: 31 Mar 2001 19:34:45 +0100 Magnus Sandberg wrote: > Drinking moldavian brandy just now (yup, it took me one whole week to > stay away from it), called "Count Dracula" (It warms my blood) and got > the idea that I should collect horror themed liquer. Do you have any > favorites? I know Iceland has a vodka called "black death". There must > be a lot more, I know I have seen horror themed Tequila, cant remember > the titles of them though. The Black Death brand became quite popular so they started making cigaret= tes and other liquor (maybe tequila). I know beer & wine isn't strong enough = for you vikings, but in Belgium there are a couple of microbreweries, usually run= by monks, that issue beer with a Satanic theme and is twice as strong as regular la= ger beer. Some company in Italy has a wine series with dictators. I have thei= r bottle of F=FChrerwein with a picture of Adolf on it, there's also one with Muss= olini. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: (exotica) Re: Chedder curds? Date: 31 Mar 2001 00:48:29 -0600 French Fries topped with chedder curds and brown gravy.... What are chedder curds? Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: (exotica) See this Date: 31 Mar 2001 01:38:50 -0600 You gotta see this cover! Roman Polanskis "Repulsion" on DVD: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005A1TC.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg ************************************************************ Hmmmmmm, that phote of Catherine Deneuve looks amazingly like his now deceased wife, Sharon Tate. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) See this Date: 31 Mar 2001 21:46:56 +0200 (CEST) citerar Colleen Pyles : > Hmmmmmm, that phote of Catherine Deneuve looks amazingly like his now > deceased wife, Sharon Tate. I thought it was odd noone cared to comment this dvd cover. Until you did Colleen. It was the laugh of the week for me. I think it is fake, but Amazon still use the image so I dont know. You americans are so very strange sometimes. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "james brouwer" Subject: (exotica) "Bedlam" by THE CRAZY PEOPLE Date: 31 Mar 2001 19:55:15 -0000 Can anyone out there give me a brief idea of what "Bedlam" by THE CRAZY PEOPLE is like, or how good an album they think it is? I see Jack Diamond's offering a re-issue and my curiosity is piqued. But i'd like a second opinion. bad, so-so, fantastic? thanks jb _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Up with People Date: 31 Mar 2001 02:15:21 -0600 Don't know much about up with people, other than the gig I was lucky to have been forced to attend as a 6th grader at Our Lady of Evening Joy. ************************ Ah yes, I remember the mandantory "assemblies" at school in the '60's, when Up With People would perform. I think this was to quash our fondness for paisley bell-bottoms and the fuzzy fur vests like Sonny Bono wore. Publicly, I denounced them, as did my peers, but privately, (I was into exotica, even then) I admired their "spunk", and their ability to tour the country and do this. And their costumes were so..."wholesome". Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Chedder curds? Date: 31 Mar 2001 14:14:00 -0600 Colleen Pyles wrote: > What are chedder curds? Cheddar curds are little misshapen bits of young cheddar cheese (<60 days) that are pulled out of the vats before they can age and be made into wheels or blocks. When they're fresh, they squeak when you rub them between your fingers. Here in Wisconsin we like to bread dem curds 'n deep fry 'em. Ja, dere hey. Dem curds are mighty tasty, doncha know. In my neck of the Northwoods, we call them "Heartattack in a Basket". -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: (exotica) oooops my mistake Date: 31 Mar 2001 02:25:14 -0600 Still, it's a very cool list and it almost makes me want to check out the band he was in. ********************** It is a cool list, Alan. He definately has some eclectic music tastes. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: What is exotica, anywqy! Date: 31 Mar 2001 22:34:22 +0200 Colleen, you may want to check out the exotica faq and the exotica archives of the past years; not that I couldn't answer it anymore, but some of the threads under subjects like "what is exotica?" were just too entertaining and brillant, to be possibly repeated. Just in short: The really close definiton of exotica is all about music by Martin Denny, Les Baxter and Arthur Lyman. Lounge and Surf stuff like the Ventures is only second-close. for the FAQ try checking this site: http://tikiland.de Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) what does music do? Date: 31 Mar 2001 02:33:53 -0600 JB wrote: Men, according to the Mrs., seek to quantify an otherwise unquantifiable experience called life by measuring, statistifying, and adding up the innumerable factors to explain the otherwise inexplicable. Women, on the other hand, according to the Mrs., embrace the harmonic universality of Earthly Existence and disdain the numbers game...This my friends is the difference between the sexes (according to the Mrs.)..JB/its 1969 ok, all across the USA ***************** jb.... I think I like the Mrs. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Chedder curds? Date: 31 Mar 2001 22:36:46 +0200 Matt Marchese schrieb: > > Cheddar curds are little misshapen bits of young cheddar cheese (<60 days) that > are pulled out of the vats before they can age and be made into wheels or > blocks. When they're fresh, they squeak when you rub them between your fingers. > > Here in Wisconsin we like to bread dem curds 'n deep fry 'em. The natives of Wisconsin eat funny prey. Mo -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... n.e.u. Thierschstrasse 43 D 80538 Munchen Germany # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Magnus Sandberg" Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: What is exotica, anywqy! Date: 01 Apr 2001 00:06:16 +0200 (CEST) speaking as a man, I would say exotica is a woman. If I could I would marry exotica. And I guess in a way I have. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: What is exotica, anywqy! Date: 31 Mar 2001 23:21:23 +0100 Colleen Pyles wrote: > My question, and I'm sure this has come up before: What is exotica, > exactly? Is it strange and unusual music, is it easy listening, with > lounge thrown in? Is it anything that is not mainstream? exotic, igzot'ik, a. [L. exoticus, And I've heard talk here about Surf music...is that like Jan and Dean and > Beach Boy > stuff, or is it the stuff like the Venture's did? I guess you could qualify them as Surf, but the TRUE Surf bands are more like Dick Dale & the Deltones (remember Misirlou, the opening song of Pulp Fiction?) The Chantays (Pipeline), The Surfaris (Wipeout), The Trashmen (Surfin' Bird). But there were tons of other bands out there, equally good or better. The typical Surf song is an instrumental (with maybe just a yell here and there). Jan & Dean and the Beach Boys helped to popularize (=water down) the genre with their doo-wop like falsetto vocals. Closely linked with the Surf genre is the Hot Rod genre, with many bands recording songs in both genres. Hot Rod bands were The Ripchords (Little Cobra), The Hondells (Little Honda), Ronnie & the Daytonas (G.T.O.) Among the best neo-surf bands are Man or Astroman? and The Phantom Surfers. > plus I'm having trouble describing this to my friends, who think I'm a > little on the edge > anyway. sounds familiar, join the club :-) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: Re: (exotica) Music versus The Object Date: 31 Mar 2001 17:27:38 -0500 >At 03:56 PM 3/30/01 -0500, cheryl wrote: >> but can you honestly tell me the >>guy who's listening to his entire record collection in alphabetical order is >>"normal"? i actually thought about doing this, with over 5000 records i do not know how long it would take but it would help me log tracks and get rid of less than good stuff. Abby Normal # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: buMp Subject: Re: (exotica) See this Date: 31 Mar 2001 17:37:47 -0500 >citerar Colleen Pyles : > >> Hmmmmmm, that phote of Catherine Deneuve looks amazingly like his now >> deceased wife, Sharon Tate. > > >I thought it was odd noone cared to comment this dvd cover. Until you >did Colleen. It was the laugh of the week for me. I think it is fake, >but Amazon still use the image so I dont know. You americans are so >very strange sometimes. well i was speechless, talk about lousy packaging. lets put a picture on the cover that has nothing to do with the film, since Cathy does not look too "healthy" in the movie cuz we wanna sell using sex appeal only. i wonder if they even watched it. it is one of my favorite films so i was a bit horrorfied. ****************************************************** ***************************** ************* DJ buMp "Primitive Rhythms for Evolved Minds" Defective Records-Executive Producer http://www.defectiverecords.com "Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Chedder curds? Date: 31 Mar 2001 23:47:11 +0100 Is that with or without the moldy bits? Matt Marchese wrote: > Colleen Pyles wrote: > > > What are chedder curds? > > Cheddar curds are little misshapen bits of young cheddar cheese (<60 days) that > are pulled out of the vats before they can age and be made into wheels or > blocks. When they're fresh, they squeak when you rub them between your fingers. > > Here in Wisconsin we like to bread dem curds 'n deep fry 'em. Ja, dere hey. Dem > curds are mighty tasty, doncha know. > > In my neck of the Northwoods, we call them "Heartattack in a Basket". > # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matt Marchese Subject: (exotica) Mighty Absalom/Paddy Roberts Date: 31 Mar 2001 16:47:45 -0600 Hi Folks, I need some information on the following LPs: Mighty Absalom: "Mighty Absalom Sings Bathroom Ballads" Paddy Roberts: "Songs for Gay Dogs" If anyone on the list has these albums and can provide me with a song list from them, or better yet has some MP3's ripped that they'd be willing to share with me, I'd be extremely grateful! Thanks, Matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kendoll Subject: (exotica) poutine Date: 31 Mar 2001 16:56:53 -0700 i know you folks from quebec will gasp at the gaucheness, but here in western canada poutine is usually made with shredded mozzarella instead of cheddar curds. laugh at my lamentably inauthentic revisionist tastes, but i actually prefer mozzarella to curds because it's melty-er and doesn't squeek when you chew it. i hope this doesn't start east/west tensions. mike > > What are chedder curds? > > Cheddar curds are little misshapen bits of young cheddar cheese (<60 days) that > are pulled out of the vats before they can age and be made into wheels or > blocks. When they're fresh, they squeak when you rub them between your fingers. > > Here in Wisconsin we like to bread dem curds 'n deep fry 'em. Ja, dere hey. Dem > curds are mighty tasty, doncha know. > > In my neck of the Northwoods, we call them "Heartattack in a Basket". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: edjunkita Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: What is exotica, anywqy! Date: 01 Apr 2001 00:59:11 +0100 Thus Spake the Great Poet Magnus Sandberg: > speaking as a man, I would say exotica is a woman. > If I could I would marry exotica. > And I guess in a way I have. Speak on, oh Wise One! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "cheryl" Subject: Re: (exotica) poutine Date: 31 Mar 2001 19:32:55 -0500 You westerners - it figures... :-) Actually, I like the fact that the cheese squeaks, but that's just me. There are other versions here too - like "poutine italien" which has spaghetti sauce (and probably mozzarella, too). The grossest one, however, is poutine with smoked meat and cheese on it. Feeling much less hungry now... cheryl > > i know you folks from quebec will gasp at the gaucheness, but here in > western canada poutine is usually made with shredded mozzarella instead > of cheddar curds. laugh at my lamentably inauthentic revisionist tastes, > but i actually prefer mozzarella to curds because it's melty-er and > doesn't squeek when you chew it. i hope this doesn't start east/west tensions. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour Date: 31 Mar 2001 19:58:39 -0600 Exotic treats rare and unusual spice up this week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast! There's "A Yank in Karachi" from Alibi for Drums, an extremely rare early percussion record by Thurston Knudson (think Rocky and Bullwinkle meet Les Baxter in the middle of a Chinatown street parade!); Bob Thompson's The Sound of Speed; crime jazz from M-Squad and Burke's Law; passionate percussion by Jack Costanzo on "The Natives Are Restless Tonight" and Chaino on "Temptation"; bachelor pad swing from Esquivel, Vic Schoen ("Swingers Holiday"), Billy May and the Randy van Horne Singers; plus assorted mambos, mood adjusters and movie tunes. To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the web, just visit: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html As always, your requests, comments and suggestions are most welcome. Darrell Brogdon The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Visit The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: What is exotica, anywqy! Date: 31 Mar 2001 23:24:34 -0500 At 11:21 PM 3/31/01 +0100, edjunkita wrote: .> >exotic, igzot'ik, a. [L. exoticus, out of] .> etc etc Bravo edjunkita! I don't know about the rest of them but that was the best explanation of "what is exotica" I've ever read. Most of the musicians who took a shot at exotica, came from easy listening big band "lounge". A lot of them also made cha cha records and soundtracks and "light jazz". When I joined this list, it was because I knew that people here knew about Enoch Light and Command records. In other words, I already knew that they weren't limited to exotica in the strict sense that edjunkita so ably outlined it. In terms of this list, I took "exotica" to mean "Music played by people who also played on exotica records". But I never took the records I was focussed on - instrumental versions of sixties rock songs, NOW Sound, Billy May doing "Going out of My Head", the Ventures doing "Wooly Bully" - to be exotica. Then again, there is some crossover. I love virtually any pop instrumental that uses sitar or preferably electric sitar. I don't think this is a perfect analogy. For instance, I don't think the Box Tops were trying to add a touch of exotica when they used electric sitar on Cry Like a Baby. I just think they liked the way it sounded. But I do think that the proliferation of electric sitar has exotica overtones. All those Maharishi jokes on Laugh-In were exotica-related. I think a lot of my favorite lounge records were made in the same spirit of exotica. I don't want to expand on that idea because it'll just rouse Magnus from his alcohol-induced stupor and force him to tell us a story about magic monkeys and how they slept with beautiful dark-skinned women and begat Les Baxter. Which could have happened I guess. But that doesn't make me like exotica any more than I already do. Or monkeys. Or women. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) poutine Date: 31 Mar 2001 23:28:44 -0500 At 04:56 PM 3/31/01 -0700, kendoll wrote: > >. laugh at my lamentably inauthentic revisionist tastes, I don't know about lamentably or inauthentic but after seeing those pictures of your home, I don't need to hear about mozeralla for the word "revisionist" to come to mind. I'm still wondering if that was the most brilliant piece of satire I've ever seen. Somehow I don't think so. I was also a little jealous. I started to think about the TV series I could create knowing that the sets are already built. Some kind of cross between "77 Sunset Strip" and "The Brady Bunch". Enjoy your curds and weigh too while you're at it. (wey? way? wee?) AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "William" Subject: (exotica) re: jose padilla Date: 01 Apr 2001 12:48:55 +0800 > << jose padilla. anyone know who he is? > > This has probably been answered, but just in case...... > > > He is a leading figure in Ibiza. I think he owns Cafe Del Mar and has been > partly responsible for the musical direction on the island for 20 years or > so. >> > > > actually Jose Padilla used to be a DJ at the Cafe Del Mar on the Baleric > Island of Ibiza - the big summer holiday party island that is favored by UK > clubbers. While most of the clubs on Ibiza play the typical house, techno and > other styles of music. Cafe Del Mar was the ultimate chill-out spot. Because > of it's situation directly on the beach, cpeople would go there for drinks as > the sun was setting and listen to Jose Padilla and other down tempo DJs spin > soundtrack music and downtempo grooves leading to more melodic deep house > music as the evening I imagine would go on. Jose Padilla has done several > tracks hiself peppered throughout the Cafe del Mar series of albums as well > as some remixes and a solo album released about three or four years ago. The > baton, as I hear, has pased onto Cafe Del Mar's competitor, Cafe Mambo, which > is where Jose Padilla now spins. > thanks for the answer but i am wondering if this is the same jose padilla? the one i was asking about or rather the track is from 1960. the track i believe is really called "la violetera". not that someone in their 60s can't be a downtempo d.j. but just wondering if it is the same one or a someone else with the same name? william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender.