From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #1001 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Friday, June 22 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1001 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) Mondo Exotica Re: (exotica) Mondo Exotica Re: (exotica) some Thrift Store finds, etc. Re: Re: (exotica) Second try.. Re: Re: (exotica) Second try.. Re: Re: (exotica) Second try.. Re: Re: (exotica) Mondo Exotica Re: (exotica) Re: Kitsch? Re: (exotica) got Kitsch? Never Kitsch! Re: (exotica) Mondo Exotica Re: (exotica) Re: Kitsch? (exotica) Re: Kitsch (exotica) "bachelor pad" vs "dads in rec rooms" RE: (exotica) list question.. Re: (exotica) Re: Kitsch? Re: (exotica) list question.. Re: (exotica) It's the music that matters Re: (exotica) "bachelor pad" vs "dads in rec rooms" (exotica) The Man With The Golden Throat (was: a few recent finds of my own) Re: (exotica) the missing 18 minutes of exotica Re: (exotica) the missing 18 minutes of exotica Re: (exotica) some Thrift Store finds, etc. Re: (exotica) "bachelor pad" vs "dads in rec rooms" Re: (exotica) "bachelor pad" vs "dads in rec rooms" Re: (exotica) some Thrift Store finds, etc. Re: (exotica) some Thrift Store finds, etc. Re: (exotica) some Thrift Store finds, etc. (exotica) Speaking of Jazz-n-Exotica... Re: (exotica) It's the music that matters Re: (exotica) Re: Kitsch? Re: (exotica) list question.. Re: (exotica) Re: Kitsch? Never got Kitsch! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:24:52 -0500 From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: (exotica) Mondo Exotica I love it, won't talk you out of it. Great cuts on it. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:26:10 -0400 From: "R. Schultz" Subject: Re: (exotica) Mondo Exotica On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:24:52 -0500 "Colleen Pyles" writes: > > I love it, won't talk you out of it. Great cuts on it. It's kind of lame, I know, but I need something to get me going in the right direction. At some point I'll probably branch off into single-artist compilations and then make the big move toward single-artist original albums. At that point I will be broke and my wife will have divorced me. Randy # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:49:25 EDT From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) some Thrift Store finds, etc. <- "Business Unusual" comp. From 1978: throbbing gristle, robert rental, the cabs etc. some great stuff here> You found this at a thrift store?!? Now that's what I call a score! I remember finding a bunch of early experimental stuff (Zoviet France, TG, obscure German indrustrial comps) at a garage sale pre-eBay (ah those were the days...), but that was the only time in 1* years of garage-saling/thrifting. You did good. - -DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:59:15 -0500 From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Second try.. az wrote: Like I say... "You're always in the mood for easy listening". or "When you can't figure out what kind of mood you're in, turn on some easy listening." or "Until you figure what kind of music you really want to listen to, turn on some easy listening". ************************8 This is what I do too, AZ. I like the lounge./exotica/easy listening almost all of the time...it fits any mood, provided it's divided into 2 catagories, slow and easy and peppy. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:59:23 -0500 From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Second try.. az wrote: Like I say... "You're always in the mood for easy listening". or "When you can't figure out what kind of mood you're in, turn on some easy listening." or "Until you figure what kind of music you really want to listen to, turn on some easy listening". ************************8 This is what I do too, AZ. I like the lounge./exotica/easy listening almost all of the time...it fits any mood, provided it's divided into 2 catagories, slow and easy and peppy. Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:07:46 -0400 From: "R. Schultz" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Second try.. On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:59:15 -0500 "Colleen Pyles" writes: > This is what I do too, AZ. I like the lounge./exotica/easy > listening > almost all of the time...it fits any mood, provided it's divided > into > 2 catagories, slow and easy and peppy. Yep, and it's always a good excuse to drink. There are two categories of cocktails: slow and easy and peppy. Observe: Slow and Easy: Martini Peppy: Daiquiri # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:13:48 -0500 From: "Colleen Pyles" Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Mondo Exotica Randy, I started my whole collection of music with comps like this. A lot of this music I had in my head and couldn't remember the name or artist. You can't just humm a tune at the record store. When I found exotic comps, I was thrilled. Now I look for vinyl of the originals..why?..I don't know. It's like a holy grail. Plus everyone on this list finds neat stuff...I want to too! Colleen _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:53:18 -0400 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Kitsch? At 06:33 PM 6/21/01 +0200, Moritz R wrote: > >This is definitely 100% true. To me the distinction between "serious" art and "light" entertainment is an old-fashioned one. So called serious art often enough just uses theoretical justifications of its own absolute value simply because it wouldn't attract anybody otherwise. Pop and entertainment on the other hand take their bath in the masses and have to prove their value by sales, Sorry. As much as I'd love to obliterate the lofty ideas of art, I can't join you in your warm bath. I believe that there is such a thing as "art" and dogs playing cards or big eyed girls on black velvet ain't it. I've played this game with friends. "Is that art?" they ask. "Why is that art and that not art?", they chide. Fine. It's not easy. And you feel like the kind of person you don't like, if you try to draw the line. You feel like one of those self-appointed arbiters of taste. It's an uncomfortable feeling. But that doesn't mean the distinctions don't exist. This probably makes me some kind of elitist but I do believe that there're such things as "truth" and "beauty" (This argument is actually at the centre of my "next film" if it ever comes to be.) It's harder for me to make "art distinctions" when it comes to music. Except for Celine Dion of course, the audio equivalent of a silk flower on a Hallmark card. If you're saying that "25 million people can't be wrong" and therefore Celine Dion and McDonalds are better art than John Coltrane, then yeah we have an argument. It would be interesting to me to try and discuss this specifically within the realm of exotica and lounge music. But I'm not sure where to begin. Let me think about it for a second. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:53:47 -0400 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) got Kitsch? Never Kitsch! At 06:02 PM 06/21/2001, Mo wrote: >this list is really strange: I get this Re: Kitsch mail by Ross, but I >definitely never got a Kitsch mail before that. Does this mean, I don't >get certain exotica mails or did you carry a private conversation to the >list at a certain point? Ross may have simply altered the original subject line when replying to an on-list post. Sometimes, as a thread drifts, the original subject line becomes increasingly irrelevant. I have been known to corrupt the subject on occasion. - --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 15:09:42 -0400 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) Mondo Exotica At 01:26 PM 6/21/01 -0400, R. Schultz wrote: > >It's kind of lame, I know, but I need something to get me going in the >right direction. At some point I'll probably branch off into >single-artist compilations and then make the big move toward >single-artist original albums. At that point I will be broke and my wife >will have divorced me. Not necessarily. Unless it's about space and not money. There are exceptions but you should be able to buy three or four (at least) original albums for the price of a comp. It's too bad I got rid of most of my records. I could have sold you an instant "exotica/lounge" collection and you could begin your new single life right away. But I still have about sixty or so for sale. Five bucks each? Ten for a few of them? After all, it's not about the music, it's about the object. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 12:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Waugh Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Kitsch? As much I agree with you, it always comes down to taste (and that "Truth/beauty" thing was, ironically, an ugly, clumsy way to mess up an otherwise well-wrought poem, but this is a parenthetical aside): those McDonalds piranha and Britney fans at best might hear you out and politely consider your faith and all of aesthetic theory utterly irrelevent. Does that make them wrong? Are they merely blithering stiffs and juveniles shorn of any sense of cultural continuity and eternal values by a virulent consumer culture which stresses change, novelty, the immediate and devalues memory, sensibility, etc (like a prehensile tail or gills in mammals).... If so, then what is true and beautiful becomes the property of "those who know", the project of the aristos. I don't have a problem with that. but it ain't very democratic. As far as exotica goes, such arbitration is the mission of our own little Hellfire club. - --- alan zweig wrote: > Sorry. As much as I'd love to obliterate the lofty > ideas of art, I can't > join you in your warm bath. I believe that there is > such a thing as "art" > and dogs playing cards or big eyed girls on black > velvet ain't it. > This probably makes me some kind of elitist but I do > believe that there're > such things as "truth" and "beauty" > (This argument is actually at the centre of my "next > film" if it ever comes > to be.) ......... > It's harder for me to make "art distinctions" when > it comes to music. > Except for Celine Dion of course, the audio > equivalent of a silk flower on > a Hallmark card. > > If you're saying that "25 million people can't be > wrong" and therefore > Celine Dion and McDonalds are better art than John > Coltrane, then yeah we > have an argument. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 13:52:00 -0700 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) Re: Kitsch exotica-digest wrote: >I always like to make the comparison to Film Noir, or Art Deco >architecture. Both were originally pop genres, with a healthy dollop >of fantasy--not taken seriously by the arbiters of High Taste in >their time. But in retrospect we can appreciate their exuberant style >and originality, without irony. I think you mean Streamline Moderne, not Art Deco. Deco was a very serious architectural style that grew out of the craftsman and art nouveau movements. But the word "kitsch" indicates that the person making the work was ignorant of the humor and appeal that other people find in it. I don't think that was the case in exotica music. I think they were crafting music the same way that movies were crafted at that time. Your noir comparison is right on. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 10859 Burbank Bl. Suite A North Hollywood, CA 91601 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:05:02 -0700 From: bigshot Subject: (exotica) "bachelor pad" vs "dads in rec rooms" >I'm not arguing but that's a curious comparison. >The music we call "swinging bachelor pad" music isn't ABOUT swinging >bachelors in their pads. It's become associated with swinging bachelors. >It was marketed to men who wanted to imagine that they were swinging >bachelors in their pads even though they were unswinging husbands in their >rec rooms. My boss might have been the first person to champion this kind of music in recent times. Before Ren & Stimpy, he went to Capitol and all of the other labels that had this stuff in their vaults with a bunch of old Raymond Scott, Les Baxter, Esquivel and Sir Julian records under his arm, and pitched the execs to re-release it and license it as movie and TV soundtracks. In his pitch, he referred to it as "Dad Music". The labels eventually did do what he was trying to convince them to do, but they slapped the "martini/cocktail lounge" image over the top of the "Dad in the Rec Room" image to jazz it up and make it an easier sell. That element of the whole genre is pure marketing and sales pitch. It has nothing to do with the music. See ya Steve Stephen Worth bigshot@spumco.com The Web: http://www.spumco.com Usenet: alt.animation.spumco Palace: cartoonsforum.com:9994 Spumco International 10859 Burbank Bl. Suite A North Hollywood, CA 91601 # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:21:00 +0100 From: Charles Moseley Subject: RE: (exotica) list question.. ..... is it by group approval that the list is set up to send replies to the original poster, rather than to the group at large? i have been on other lists like that, and i can never understand why they are so configured. if you want to follow up on a thread, you have to open the original post, copy the text you wish to include in your follow-up, close that message window, fish out a new blank email, address it to the list, paste the text you copied into the new post....... it's a lot of hoops to jump thru, and it is a simple matter to change it so that when you hit 'reply' in order to follow up on a post, it goes out to the entire list. it would seem to me that most replies to a given post are intended for the whole group, but maybe not...? I just press reply and type exotica@xmission.com over the email address. Charles Moseley Editor - C3 magazine 3 St Peter's Street, London, N1 8JD Direct: +44 (0) 20 7704 3313 Main: +44 (0) 20 7226 8585 ISDN: +44 (0) 207 359 6756 www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com www.c3mag.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:41:46 EDT From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Kitsch? Where's John Cage when you really need him? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:56:47 +0200 From: Edward Subject: Re: (exotica) list question.. (For some reason my Netscape crashes when I make an address book,but ) you can also just drag and drop the exotica@xmission.com e-mail address from the 'to:' line in the original message to the 'to' box in the reply message. Charles Moseley wrote: > I just press reply and type exotica@xmission.com over the email address. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 01:18:23 +0200 From: Edward Subject: Re: (exotica) It's the music that matters bigshot wrote: > Novelty wears off. Really good music lasts. Can you tell me how long does it take to wear off? I still enjoy 'Novelty songs'that I first heard more than 25 years ago. And there's a lot of music that is objectively classified as 'good' and I can recognize as such, but will always be lost on me. Good is just not the same as enjoyable. Edward # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:52:12 -0400 From: "Br. Cleve" Subject: Re: (exotica) "bachelor pad" vs "dads in rec rooms" on 6/21/01 5:05 PM, bigshot at bigshot@spumco.com wrote: > The labels eventually did do what he was trying to convince them > to do, but they slapped the "martini/cocktail lounge" image over > the top of the "Dad in the Rec Room" image to jazz it up and make > it an easier sell. That element of the whole genre is pure marketing > and sales pitch. It has nothing to do with the music. It is very true that 'Ren & Stimpy' was an early champion of this music, and there are reasons why the 'Dad Music' idea wasn't going to get any of that music reissued at that time. Why the reissues utilised the whole 'martini/cocktail' thing were for 2 reasons - 1) Combustible Edison, the first modern group to play this style of music, was built around a concept conceived by group founder/guitarist The Millionaire called "The Manifesto of The Cocktail Nation" (a term coined by The Millionaire), which was a rather tounge-in-cheek article (first published in PopWatch magazine in 1993) proclaiming a revolution against the forces of 'rockism' and a return to the "swinger lifestyle" of martinis and hi-fi's that the covers and liner notes of these classic yet reviled recordings contained. The first Combustible Edison tour, in 1994, which I was part of, played before audiences who dressed the part in 50's thrift store fashions while eschewing beer in favor of martini's and other classic cocktails. This was before the whole cocktail/cigar thing was co-opted by the media. The first ComEd album, heavily promoted by NPR and the alt-media, went on to sell over 100,000 copies in its first year. The labels took notice. 2) About 4 months after ComEd's debut album "I,Swinger" was released, BarNone issued the first Esquivel compilation, "Space Age Bachelor Pad Music". The Title comes from a cassette tape of EZ Listening records compiled by artist Byron Werner (and "distributed" by Devo and the Church Of The SubGenius) back around 1983. [I have known Byron Werner since around '82]. This compilation sold in the neighborhood of 150,000 copies. Now the labels really took notice. The record labels, sensing a trend, then set about releasing copius compilations, some great - some wretched, based on the 'cocktail' concept. The swing scene, which began in the late 80's, also utilised this imagery, so both lounge and swing got caught up together as the next great 'trend', even though they had little to do with each other. The Millionaire's rather savage satire of an America gone totally bland - of a stylish Vegas turned into a theme park for dummies and their kids, of strip malls and b.u.m. equipment t-shirts on overfed duncecaps, of a land stripped of any sense of style, where the performers were interchangeable with the audience - was missed, as expected, by the corporate whoremongers who run the show. They missed the joke and turned it around; I remember one early TV news segement about us where the talking head was saying "Wow, the kids are drinking Martini's!", like that was all it was about. That was only part of it, but naturally that was the part that was easiest to dumb down to the stuptified masses. It wasn't until they had some way to 'market' it they would take a chance. After dismal sales of much of the dreck they were offering, the labels had the media proclaim the the whole lounge thing was 'dead' (Swing managed to sell a few million copies of a couple of records before it hit the dust in '98). The end result was to send the whole thing back underground, which is why you won't see any more, say, Les Baxter reissues, but why the original records aren't inflated value wise to the moon anymore. br cleve # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 02:13:37 +0200 From: Edward Subject: (exotica) The Man With The Golden Throat (was: a few recent finds of my own) Is this a 'The Man With The Golden Arm' with lyrics???? If so, does it have any heroin references? Gotta hear this. I'm only familiar with the instro versions by Elmer Bernstein and Barry Adamson. Great tune from a great film. Frankie was so much cooler as an actor than as a singer. Edward basic hip wrote: > > > > I love SDJr! (Sammy Davis Jr.) > > > > Me too. Am questing the record where he covers The Man with the Golden > Arm. > > Heard it once on radio while driving to an appointment...so good, I > stopped > > the car and parked illegally until the tune was done. Alas, the DJ did not > > ID the record. Can someone please enlighten me? > > I love digging up this kind of info on the internet. looks like it was > never on an LP, just a single. Here is more from the Sammy Davis Jr. > Association page: > > 1956 In A Persian Market/The Man With The Golden Arm > Brunswick 05518 > > ....i think it came on Decca later... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 02:31:09 +0200 From: Edward Subject: Re: (exotica) the missing 18 minutes of exotica Could you fill us Exotica-list newbies in on this Great Flamewar? We have to know the past in order to avoid repeating it. "m.ace" wrote: > I've been spelunking in the list archives, looking for The Great Desert > Island Disc Flamewar of June 1997. > > Why? Because I recall it as the funniest episode I've ever seen on here. > Stupid and ridiculous, but funny. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:00:48 -0400 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) the missing 18 minutes of exotica > > I've been spelunking in the list archives, looking for The Great Desert > > Island Disc Flamewar of June 1997. > >Could you fill us Exotica-list newbies in on this Great Flamewar? >We have to know the past in order to avoid repeating it. Well, as I recall it (and others are welcome to correct me): It began with the list server going dead for several days. Some people thought the inactivity was just because no one was posting. When the server came back to life, one such person made a reasonable suggestion along the lines of, "Gosh, it's quiet here, why don't we share lists of the five records we would want to have with us on a desert island?" Probably fueled by the joy of having the list running again, lots of desert island lists followed. A certain west coast rekkid dealer decided he would surely find ways to smuggle additional records onto the island and regaled us with list after list of records. But that was okay, it was the weekend, we were having fun. It was a little out of hand maybe, but starting to die down. Then someone else fired off a very angry post damning the very concept of desert island discs, and flaming us all for polluting the list with such drivel. Which is when the excrement hit the windmill. Someone fired back. Someone else defended. It was the damndest thing, a big fight over such a silly subject. After a few days of progressively crankier mudslinging, Lazlo blew his stack and announced that anyone prolonging the flames would be kicked off the list. And the desert-island-disc-hater apologized. And we returned to our regular programming. I don't know if that provides a lesson in how to avoid it, other than to maintain your sense of humor and don't take any of this stuff too seriously. And the best way to extinguish a flamey dispute is to simply stop posting about it and let it die. Still, I don't think any of the so-called flame wars on Exotica has ever approached the viciousness that boils routinely on a lot of other lists, newsgroups or message boards. Maybe it's a matter of this music not attracting aggressive, flamey types. Or maybe we're just lucky. So what are your 5 desert island discs? ^_- - --m.ace # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 19:17:42 -0700 From: "basic hip" Subject: Re: (exotica) some Thrift Store finds, etc. > - "The Way Out Record For Children" by Bruce Haack and Miss Nelson. I > flipped when I found this at the back of some junk shop. And it's in fine > condition too. Has this been reissued in its entirety? You found this in a junk shop? Wow. Incredible find at $100, not to mention the buck or so you paid for it. I'm so jealous! Do you know what kind of crap we see in the thrift stores of the San Francisco Bay Area? The hours of time and miles driving through gridlock (over two bucks a gallon) in the hope of unearthing a single decent score make paying a collector his asking price the smarter alternative. And you even got a Bozo record. The capitol record reader with two 78's or the LP reissue? Bozo Under The Sea was my very first memory of listening to a record. Gotta soft spot for it :) Congrats on a very impressive haul JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:23:18 -0400 From: itsvern@attglobal.net Subject: Re: (exotica) "bachelor pad" vs "dads in rec rooms" > Why the reissues utilised the whole > 'martini/cocktail' thing were for 2 reasons - Darn, I thought the whole scene was a conspiracy imagined up and brought to fruition by all the major liqour companies. Which makes me wonder ... in the U.S. they have beer commercials on television, but none for vodka, gin or the other liqours. Has this been true since day one of television? Or did they exist once, but were latter banned just like all the cigarette ads? Vern # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:10:40 -0500 From: Matt Marchese Subject: Re: (exotica) "bachelor pad" vs "dads in rec rooms" itsvern@attglobal.net wrote: > > Which makes me wonder ... in the U.S. they have beer commercials on television, > but none for vodka, gin or the other liqours. Has this been true since day one > of television? Or did they exist once, but were latter banned just like all the > cigarette ads? Hard liquor ads were banned back in the 70s, I believe. Also, if you watch the beer commercials closely, you'll notice that nobody actually drinks any of it. Just more of the that usual weird American puritanical BS that the rest of the world has come to expect from us. - -- Matt Marchese "I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 23:25:33 EDT From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) some Thrift Store finds, etc. In a message dated 6/21/1 9:08:51 PM, basichip@home.com wrote: >> - "The Way Out Record For Children" by Bruce Haack and Miss Nelson. I >> flipped when I found this at the back of some junk shop. >You found this in a junk shop? >Incredible find at $100, not to mention the buck or so you paid for it. OK I was hoping it wouldn't come to this, but who ever thought it wouldn't? On the purchase of "The Way Out Record For Children"... Who believes that the record was found for a dollar? Who doesn't? (In my Navy days during Viet Nam, a lotta guys would make claims to having experienced profound revelries, vices , and fantasies). These claims were always followed by a call from our resident cynic, Eddie from Brooklyn, of "Who believes it?".....Followed by a hearty "Who don't?" Naturally in a "live" situation, the truth reared its head. This may or may not be one of those situations. BasicHip is a proven collector and compiler and it appears that he has difficulty swallowing the purchase price. And although he would probably hesitate to confront the claim, it must be challenged....Was it really a big dolla' buy and now the purchaser wants to represent it as a deal?...just askin'..jb/lies, damned lies, and....vinyl? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:44:35 -0400 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) some Thrift Store finds, etc. At 07:17 PM 6/21/01 -0700, basic hip wrote: .>And you even got a Bozo record. The capitol record reader with two 78's or >the LP reissue? >Bozo Under The Sea was my very first memory of listening to a record. Gotta >soft spot for it :) Yes Mr. Brouwer's record haul was impressive. So impressive that I was struck dumb with jealousy. The fact that it occurred in my general home area - more or less - made me even more jealous. So I said nothing. But now you mention Bozo. Are there many Bozo records? I have "Dream along with Bozo" starring Larry Harmon. Was Larry Harmon the "real" Bozo? Or some knockoff. I've never played it. I just picked it up because a guy in my film did a hilarious analysis of the record which basically concluded that Bozo was a closet pedophile. It centers around a cut on the record called "Bozo's Pocket Rocket". "Reach into my pockets kids and shake hands with my pocket rocket". Or words to that effect anyway. I did play that cut when I got it. But now you've made me inspect it more closely only to discover that the orchestra is conducted by Don Ralke. Maybe I'll have to play it now. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:51:03 -0400 From: alan zweig Subject: Re: (exotica) some Thrift Store finds, etc. At 11:25 PM 6/21/01 EDT, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > >In a message dated 6/21/1 9:08:51 PM, basichip@home.com wrote: > >>> - "The Way Out Record For Children" by Bruce Haack and Miss Nelson. I >>> flipped when I found this at the back of some junk shop. > >>You found this in a junk shop? >>Incredible find at $100, not to mention the buck or so you paid for it. > >OK I was hoping it wouldn't come to this, but who ever thought it wouldn't? >On the purchase of "The Way Out Record For Children"... Who believes that >the record was found for a dollar? Who doesn't? Oh Jimmy, ye of little faith. It's a record for children. Yeah it just so happens to have been made by a guy who has tremendous interest to a small group of collectors. But still, your average record seller wouldn't know this, let alone a guy in a thrift store. I played a Bruce Haack CD once for a very knowledgeable used record retailer and he'd never heard of him. If the record said "Early Moog Synthesizer" or "very rare record!" I could see your point. But if it says "children", it's probably going to end up in the pile with the other children's records. I know people who would pay ten bucks or more for a Little Marcy record but that doesn't mean they suddenly disappear from the shelves of thrift stores. It's not just that I believe Mr. Brouwer. It's that I can imagine seeing a record like that in a thrift store. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 02:07:59 EDT From: Dj45rpm@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Speaking of Jazz-n-Exotica... ..I just picked up a sealed CD of Dave Brubeck's 1964 release "Jazz Impressions of Japan", and was just wondering if anyone else is familar enough will it to say whether it's good jazz, good "exotica", good (if unintentional) jazz-exotica "fusion" (such as some of Cal Tjader's stuff), or if it's to toxic I shouldn't even bother breaking the wrapper. Here's the track listing if that helps: Tokyo Traffic Rising Sun Taki's Theme (From the CBS-TV series "Mr. Broadway") Fujiyama Zen is When The City is Crying Osaka Blues Koto Song Thanks, DavidH # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:10:14 +0200 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) It's the music that matters Edward schrieb: > > Good is just not the same as enjoyable. > Yes and no. Any musical or artistic or other experience is embedded in a complex context of time and space, personal data, historic situation, mood, comparison, pre-occupation, fear etc. etc. It is only natural, that even people who apparently share the same taste yet come to controversal ratings of seemingly same things. Because due to context these same things really are not the same. It is very hard if not impossible to see a thing "as is". And only to see a thing "as is" would mean to see "the truth". But we can't escape our memories. We can try to become free from the known, but I guess we will never make it. It's not only the music that matters, but also the listener. Mo Krishnamurti - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... Thierschstrasse 43, D 80538 Munchen, Germany e-mail: tiki@netsurf.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:10:47 +0200 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Kitsch? Ben Waugh schrieb: > I don't have a problem with that. but it ain't very democratic. I'm so grateful you make this connection between democracy and art. pop is indeed the art of democracy, whereas the so called high or serious art is really the art of the bourgeoisie. - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... Thierschstrasse 43, D 80538 Munchen, Germany e-mail: tiki@netsurf.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:45:10 +0200 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) list question.. Charles Moseley schrieb: > I just press reply and type exotica@xmission.com over the email address. my browser already knows it's the exotica mailing list when I type "ex"... - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... Thierschstrasse 43, D 80538 Munchen, Germany e-mail: tiki@netsurf.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:10:19 +0200 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Kitsch? Never got Kitsch! Ross Orr wrote: > > Not to panic. I had Replied to a digest--but noticed at the last > minute that the subject line would have been "Re: exotica-digest V2 > #999." So I replaced the subject, but failed to delete the Re: - -- studio R senses for a senseless world http://moritzR.de ......................................................................... Thierschstrasse 43, D 80538 Munchen, Germany e-mail: tiki@netsurf.de # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #1001 ******************************