From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #1089 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Saturday, December 22 2001 Volume 02 : Number 1089 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman Re: (exotica) JD and the Evils Dynamite band Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman (exotica) MwM profiled in 12/21/01 Nashua Telegraph (exotica) Playlist Martinis With Mancini 12/21/01 (exotica) Re: white goddess Re: (exotica) Nelson Riddle & edible horse underwear OOPS! Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, December 23 Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman (exotica) zounds! Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman Re: (exotica) zounds! Re: (exotica) Nelson Riddle & edible horse underwear OOPS! Re: (exotica) zounds! (exotica) My Heart will go on and no and on Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman (exotica) slightly exotic Xmas Stream (exotica) Looking for vintage electronic music Re: (exotica) Looking for vintage electronic music ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:45:09 -0500 From: azed@pathcom.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman At 12:43 AM 12/21/01 -0800, crymad wrote: > >Groovy gets to be a bit tiresome after a while, though. And it also is >vulnerable to kitchy-ness. Un-ironic listening is >what I strive for. That's an interesting statement. It's probably in the ear of the behearer but I think I know what you mean. Still maybe you could elaborate. Some examples of each perhaps. Personally I don't mind when groovy bleeds into kitsch. I think that's because I like to experience clear demonstrations of "ideas". Like "we had the idea that throwing a little electric sitar into our big band arrangement of this rock tune would make it a little hipper for the kids". We've had this discussion a thousand times before and I realize I don't make very clear distinctions between kitsch, cheese and "irony". But to me all those things imply a "failure" of some type. One idea too many crowded into the arrangement. Or an inappropriate cover. Something that stands out as "out of place". Trying a bit too hard. Introducing elements that you can't quite control. Easy listening has made me much more aware of "arranging" than I was before. And it's made me appreciate lush beautiful arranging much more. Some of the stuff I'm thinking about here - Michel Legrand, some Francis Lai, even some of those early seventies Andre Kostelanetz records produced by Teo Macero - might be what you mean by "un-ironic listening". Music where all the elements seem to come together. But having become a fan of arranging, it's also given me an interest in arranging ideas that don't quite work. Music where some of the elements are out there on their own, trying - but failing - to disappear inside the arrangement. Anyway that's enough for a pre-Xmas rant. Around here, irony is not dead. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:02:20 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman << At 12:43 AM 12/21/01 -0800, crymad wrote: > >Groovy gets to be a bit tiresome after a while, though. And it also is >vulnerable to kitchy-ness. Un-ironic listening is >what I strive for. >> So if there's irony in the music you stop listening? I don't get it. There's really nothing wrong with seeing irony where none was meant to exist. In fact it seems to be a sign of some sort of evolution in listening skills. And to appreciate it and snicker at it simultaneously is not a bad thing is it? Does it lessen the value of the music to perceive irony within it? Does it cheapen you to listen to it? Not attacking you, but its all good. It took a long time to get from "groovy" as a cliche to a definably "groovy" sound. It works for me. When something is described as "groovy" in modern parlance applied to music, I have a pretty good idea that there will be an unexpected mix of elements I can expect to hear...ironically or not...My .02...Jimmy Botticelli # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:21:37 -0600 From: "Darrell Brogdon" Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour The annual yuletide edition of The Retro Cocktail Hour is now up and available for your RealAudio enjoyment! It's two hours of swingin' holiday cheer by Esquivel, The Three Suns, The Soulful Strings, Les Baxter, the Randy van Horne Singers, The Blue Hawaiians, Jamyz Bee and the Royal Jelly Orchestra and many, many more. You'll find Art Carney's nonsensical "Santa Claus and the Doodle-Li-Boop"; Latin and bossa-flavored Christmas songs by Billy May, Xavier Cugat and Marco Rizo; plus Nat King Cole's "The Christmas Song". Yule love it! To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the web, just park your sleigh at: http://kanu.ku.edu/retro.html Happy holidays to all! Darrell Brogdon The Retro Cocktail Hour KANU FM 91.5 Saturday 7:00pm - 9:00pm http://kanu.ku.edu/retro.html Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at: http://kanu.ku.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:42:30 +0000 From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman clayton black wrote: > > I think that Laurindo Almeida is one of the great unsung (at least as long > as I've been following it, which, in relative terms, is not so long) heroes > of exotica (or easy listening, anyway). I've got a scratchy old copy of > "Viva Bossa Nova!" If it were in better shape, it would be on my turntable > almost every day. His version of Route 66 is my favorite (despite what I > said on my last post about Nelson Riddle). Unfortunately, I rarely see his > albums anywhere, and I gather from the dust sleeves that he did a lot of > classical albums as well, which may have been more of the source of his > popularity, I don't know. i love the sound of the classical guitar, and was about to recommend an Almeida LP, but looking at the sleeve now, i see it's not him but Angel Romero. anyway, it's Claude Bolling's Concerto for Classic Guitar and Jazz Piano. George Shearing, Shelly Manne and Ray Brown complete the lineup. on EMI, 1980. of the less groovy Almeida records, i have The Look of Love, which is very nice. of other guitarists, what about Charlie Byrd? i've never seen his records cheap. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:48:43 +0000 From: Michael Jemmeson Subject: Re: (exotica) JD and the Evils Dynamite band DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/21/01 11:17:41 AM, G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk writes: > > << Its on Soulfire records, whats their other stuff like that, any of our > resident funksters know? >> > > You have stumbled upon a pretty reliable label in the Desco style, often in > the same mode as Groove Merchant or Late 6T's Blue Note/Prestige organ > groove. With two exceptions. One being the inability of modern record > companies, no matter how pure of intention, to duplicate that analologue > magic as mentioned by Basic Hip. But they come darn close. And two is the > sensibility of today's guitarists. Many just play too "heavy" They can't seem > to stay light like Benson, Pass et al. Poisoned by Power-Chords, these modern > day purists are brainwashed from their years of frontal assault from the Guns > & Roses/metal years. Hence the occasional bad stray into "rock" playing. But > overall their aim is true and the funky 45's as Dustygroove calls 'em on Soul > Fire are good and fonkay....Another reliable label for funky 45's is > Jazzman...More Exotica-Latinova influences pop up on them...Hope that > helps...Jimmy Botticelli the Jazzman 45s are all reissues, and the sister label for new material is Stark Reality (named after one of the sample-hunters holy grail albums). can recommend the Dee Felice Trio 'Nightingale' and Eddie Warner 'Poppy Fiddles' on Jazzman, and Little Barrie 'Shrug off love' and Kahuna Kawetzmann's 'Go-Go Sitar' on Stark Reality. also the Cecil Leuter on Jazzman is very good, but the track is on the 'Pop Electronique' album. the latest one on Jazzman looks interesting (Barbara Moore, i think) but everywhere seems to be sold out. you can get them from the website though (http://www.jazzmanrecords.co.uk) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 04:17:24 -0400 From: clayton black Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman > > Easy listening has made me much more aware of "arranging" than I was > before. Hear, hear! It's probably a sin to say so, but I've begun to pay more attention to arranging than to musical prowess. MIchael asked about Charlie Byrd--I've got four or five of his albums, and I like them alright, but there's nothing very exciting (to me) about the arrangements, so I hardly ever listen to them. It's the genius of arranging that makes it possible to listen to thirty different versions of Baubles, Bangles and Beads (a personal favorite) and like every one of them. Of course, the song has to be good to begin with, I don't deny that. But I guess I don't find the "chops" of any given performer more interesting than the arrangement of the tune (with some notable exceptions--Jimmy Smith, for example, although here the critical point may be style rather than technical skill). Clayton # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:32:10 -0500 From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) MwM profiled in 12/21/01 Nashua Telegraph I'm posting this all over the place and can you blame me? The program has just been featured on the cover of the Nashua Telegraph Friday Encore entertainment section (circulation 26,000). Please take a look at the ulr posted below, you may have to cut-and-paste it into your web window since it is long. And after 3 days it may no longer be available for viewing unless your a subscriber. http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/Main.asp?SectionID=17&SubSectionID=327&Articl eID=46646 You can find a copy on my web page: http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ The cover (not shown on the web) is a picture of the 2 WJUL studio turntables. Above them are 3 LP's: "Swinin' Fling" by Alvino Rey, Brass and Bamboo by "Tak Shindo" (given to me by Joe Slezik). And "I Swing For You-Vicky Lane. The caption: "Take A Spin Back in Time". "Martinis with Mancini", a morning radio program on WJUL, brings listeners back to the days of lounge and bossa nova music." Credit really goes to those on the exotica and pop noveau list who give me tips on what to find and play. And those who "blazed the trail" and defined the "exotica" format: Jack Diamond, Jimmy Boticelli, (how I found all of you), Darrell Brogdon, Peter Lebeler and all the folks at Luxuriamusic. After almost 3 years I'm still working on my radio DJ chops. But thanks to those cool cats who passed on some music for the program. (You know who you are) Even a square-middle-aged-white-boy from the suburbs can DJ a cool show if he's got the right people behind him. This is excellent press for "our kind of music" Why not sent a link to your local public radio station and ask them why they don't have a program like this? Remember: "squeaky wheel gets the grease" If you know say nothing, then nothing will happen. Thanks for reading! Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL Lowell 91.5FM Friday's 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ (show's redesigned web page) http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/listen.html (On Real Audio) http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/ (Station web page) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:41:45 -0500 From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) Playlist Martinis With Mancini 12/21/01 Thanks for reading. Domenic Ciccone "Martinis with Mancini" WJUL Lowell 91.5FM Friday's 6-9AM EST http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ (show's redesigned web page) http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/listen.html (On Real Audio) http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/ (Station web page) December 21, 2001 Brief And Breezy, Henry Mancini Little Girl Blue, Nina Simone Moneypenny Goes For Broke, Cal Tjader Winchester Cathedral, Petula Clark Do Do Do, Moneymark Moto Shag, April March Bossa Antiqua, Paul Desmond Who Can I Turn To, Astrud Gilberto Mas Que Nada, Living Jazz, Phil Bodner The One I Love Belongs To Somebody Else, Joe Williams/ Count Basie Last Tango In Vegas, Cocktail Angst Pink Panther Theme, Henry Mancini Geneva, Mexicali Singers Mucha Muchacha, Esquivel Daddy, Pat Suzuki Johnny Cool, Sammy Davis Jr Walk On By, Dean Martin Baubles Bangles And Beads, Frank Sinatra 3 Little Words, Mike Simpson El Cacahuate, The Fur Ones Whatever Lola Wants, Abbey Lane/ Tito Puente Ola Nueva, Kahuna Kawentzmann Theme From The "Tiki Wonder Hour", Combustible Edison Love You Magic Spell Is Everywhere, Johnny Mathis Staccato's Theme, Buddy Morrow Ski Bunny, Sugar Twins I Love Paris, Alvino Rey Jingle Bells/ Sleigh Ride, Henry Mancini Poinciana, Tak Shindo Zero Gravity Mini Skirt, Seksu Roba The Look Of Love, Sergio Mendes And Brasil '66 Chopsticks, Ferranti And Teicher Sidewalk Blues, From Betty Page Danger Girl Comp Sway, Dead Ringer Playboy's Theme, Nelson Riddle Kookie's Mad Mad, Ed Byrnes The Carioca, Martin Denny Walk On The Wild Side, Jimmy Smith Le Jour Ovla Pluie Vienda, Gilbert Becaud Blow Up, Herbie Hancock Babylon I'm Coming, Piero Piccioni Tanto Tempo, Bebel Gilberto (Peter Kruder Remix) Mele Kalikimka, Blue Hawaiians My Lucky, Elliott Easton Tiki Gods Where Do I Begin, Shirley Bassey (Away Team Mix) It Takes A Thief, Chaquito The Coffee Song, Eydie Gorme Tweet Tweet, Harry James Baby Elephant Walk, Henry Mancini Whistler On The Rocks, Eric Vanell The Bullfighter, Ken Nordine Sweet Cinnamon Punch, Tipsy F.S.B., Le Hammond Inferno Eden's Island, Eden Ahbez Los Barbaros, Shorty Rogers Meets Tarzan Funky Planet, Stereophonic Space Sounds Unlimited Moon River, Henry Mancini # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:54:27 EST From: HOUSEOBOB@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Re: white goddess In a message dated 12/20/2001 11:43:11 PM, clayton.black@washcoll.edu writes: << (although Frank Hunter's "White Goddess" is much more so now). >> Now there's an album i'd like to see posted for downloads....hint, hint....... # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:15:04 EST From: HOUSEOBOB@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Nelson Riddle & edible horse underwear OOPS! In a message dated 12/21/2001 12:33:25 PM, litlgrey@ix.netcom.com writes: << that Bar None never released the projected Genius/1968 double, >> Available, however, as a "limited release". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:49:10 -0800 From: crymad Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman azed@pathcom.com wrote: > > At 12:43 AM 12/21/01 -0800, crymad wrote: > > > >Groovy gets to be a bit tiresome after a while, though. And it also is > >vulnerable to kitchy-ness. Un-ironic listening is > >what I strive for. > > That's an interesting statement. > It's probably in the ear of the behearer but I think I know what you mean. Yes, in the ear of the behearer. That's why I stressed un-ironic _listening_ and not _music_. > Still maybe you could elaborate. > Some examples of each perhaps. I enjoy Jackie Gleason's sitar-laden "The Now Sound...For Today's Lovers". Really enjoy it -- I don't have to be in a room with friends so we can rib each other while it plays. > > Personally I don't mind when groovy bleeds into kitsch. I think that's > because I like to experience clear demonstrations of "ideas". > Like "we had the idea that throwing a little electric sitar into our big > band arrangement of this rock tune would make it a little hipper for the > kids". To continue with the sitar theme...on the other hand, while that bizarre sitared "Up, Up, and Away" on the Incredibly Strange Music comp always fills me and my wife with glee whenever it surprises us on one of my car tapes, my enjoyment of that piece of work is ultimately hollow. It wouldn't be as good if I were driving alone. > We've had this discussion a thousand times before and I realize I don't > make very clear distinctions between kitsch, cheese and "irony". > But to me all those things imply a "failure" of some type. > One idea too many crowded into the arrangement. Or an inappropriate cover. > Something that stands out as "out of place". > Trying a bit too hard. > Introducing elements that you can't quite control. While some music is born from irony (The Village People), for the most part, irony is something a listener chooses to contribute. So while I'm sure there must be some folks out there who also enjoy the Gleason "Now Sound" record, but only because it's so kooky, their enjoyment is of a lesser sort. Yes, I'm am making a quality judgment here: Ironic listening is an inferior form of appreciation. I'm a fan of Dada. Duchamp's inverted urinal "Fountain" is undeniably touched by comedy. But it also contains the mysteries of the universe. A viewer who merely "gets the joke" doesn't get the whole picture. > > Easy listening has made me much more aware of "arranging" than I was > before. And it's made me appreciate lush beautiful arranging much more. > Some of the stuff I'm thinking about here - Michel Legrand, some Francis > Lai, even some of those early seventies Andre Kostelanetz records produced > by Teo Macero - might be what you mean by "un-ironic listening". > Music where all the elements seem to come together. > But having become a fan of arranging, it's also given me an interest in > arranging ideas that don't quite work. > Music where some of the elements are out there on their own, trying - but > failing - to disappear inside the arrangement. Failure is also fine with me. I have a record called "Organ Magic", by Al Bollington on Concert Recordings. He's trying his hand at an assortment of solo pieces on electric Wurlitzer 4520. His version of Quiet Village, from timpani effect drum beginning to tropical bird sound end, is inept. But no matter -- this is why I think his performance is such a thing of beauty. Had he been more of a virtuoso, talent would have gotten in the way of the music. - --crymad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:49:49 -0800 From: crymad Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > << At 12:43 AM 12/21/01 -0800, crymad wrote: > > > >Groovy gets to be a bit tiresome after a while, though. And it also is > >vulnerable to kitchy-ness. Un-ironic listening is > >what I strive for. >> > > So if there's irony in the music you stop listening? I don't get it. Irony from the outset? Like female impersonator burlesque or the music of Kiss? I don't even start listening to that sort of thing, so stopping isn't an issue. > There's > really nothing wrong with seeing irony where none was meant to exist. In fact > it seems to be a sign of some sort of evolution in listening skills. > And to > appreciate it and snicker at it simultaneously is not a bad thing is it? Irony as mockery isn't that advanced: grade school children can make fun of things. And yes, it's bad. That is, it's not as good as appreciation in whole. - --crymad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:13:25 -0500 From: "cheryl" Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, December 23 Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at: http://www.ckut.ca As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome. Space Bop #173 A Mutated Christmas Yes, it's that time of year again...time for the annual Space Bop Christmas show. Deck the halls with sappy music? Not on your life! This year, we feature lots of great stuff, from the truly inspired to the truly twisted. Enjoy! Daniel Johnston: Some People Don't Even Know If It's Christmastime "Santa Monika" Corporal Blossom: White Christmas "Mutated Christmas" (thanks, Bob & BR!) Tipsy: XXXmas "Hard Petting EP" (finally...thanks again, Bob & BR) Tuxedomoon: Weinachts Rap "Ghosts Of Christmas Past" Felix Kubin: I Lost My Heart In Reykjavik "Santa Monika" Ptose: What Will You Bring (To Me)? "Oscar's X-Mas Carols 1984" Corporal Blossom: Little Drummer Boy "Mutated Christmas" Freddy Fresh & Pals: A Howlin' Christmas Tune "A Howlin' Christmas Tune / Torn Open" (thanks, Sandra!) Mark Mothersbaugh: Enough Xmas For All "Joyeux Mutato" Der Plan: Schnee-Cristel Unterm Baum "Denk Daran!" No-L: Have Yourself A Merry Little Chrismas "Mutated Christmas" Frieder Butzmann: Stille Nacht Goes Disco "White Christmas" Current '93': Happy Birthday Pigface Christus "Ghosts Of Christmas Past" Culturcide: Santa Claus Was My Lover "Depressed Christmas / Santa Claus Was My Lover" Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening cheryls@primus.ca brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:24:47 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman In a message dated 12/21/01 4:23:21 PM, clayton.black@washcoll.edu writes: << but I've begun to pay more attention to arranging than to musical prowess. >> Keep hope alive # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:33:49 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman In a message dated 12/21/01 10:52:24 PM, crymad@xprt.net writes: << I enjoy Jackie Gleason's sitar-laden "The Now Sound...For Today's Lovers". Really enjoy it -- I don't have to be in a room with friends so we can rib each other while it plays. >> Is there such a room? Are there such friends? Is there that rib?.... Anyone can make a case of your previously stated disdain for ironic listening with this LP....Somehow this statement just doesn't resonate at this address. You need to clarify your thoughts before making pronouncements regarding ironic listening vs pure listening....JBee (in Bonnet). # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:35:27 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman In a message dated 12/21/01 10:52:43 PM, crymad@xprt.net writes: << Irony as mockery isn't that advanced: grade school children can make fun of things. And yes, it's bad. That is, it's not as good as appreciation in whole. >> Weak....clarify please!....Help! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:20:25 +0800 From: "william" Subject: (exotica) zounds! hi all, i know its probably old had to most of you, but my parents gave me the basta cd re-issue of zounds! what sounds! for my birthday last month(of course they sent it to the wrong address so i just got it). wow! hearing this makes me think of hearing esquivel for the first time. it makes me think of big bands meet willy wonka. the little plops and clock sounds just make me think of certain scenes from that movie. other things i've recnetly picked up but not had the chance to properly listen to are: denizens of the deep - ferrante and teicher(with artwork by our own keith lo bue!) tamboo/skins - les baxter( i used to have skins on vinyl) in like flint/our man flint ost classic tv game show themes i also picked up a comp of chinese music on a singapore label that includes a track by one of chairman mao's wives. not had the chance to listen to that yet, as i'm heading back to seattle for the holidays so taking in these properly will have to wait till i'm back. and i did end up getting that roger roger disc i posted about awhile back. i think my favourite tracks were the ones that made me think of sci-fi movies. i think maybe "profondeurs". i still need to properly take it in though. william in taipei. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:22:37 -0800 From: crymad Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/21/01 10:52:24 PM, crymad@xprt.net writes: > > << I enjoy Jackie Gleason's sitar-laden "The Now Sound...For Today's > Lovers". Really enjoy it -- I don't have to be in a room with friends > so we can rib each other while it plays. >> > > Is there such a room? Are there such friends? Is there that rib?.... With ironic listening? Yes, yes, yes. Quite simply, irony demands two sets of listeners: one group who gets it, and another group who's in the dark. It's not about you and the night and the music. Ironic listening throws the intrusion of others into the mix. It's musical appreciation through conspiracy. - --crymad # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:52:43 EST From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman In a message dated 12/22/01 4:25:32 AM, crymad@xprt.net writes: << irony demands two sets of listeners: one group who gets it, and another group who's in the dark. It's not about you and the night and the music. Ironic listening throws the intrusion of others into the mix. It's musical appreciation through conspiracy. >> ok...i see what you mean from that POV. But desparate times sometimes call for desparate measures and if irony helps I'm all for it....sometimes irony can save the day. As for conspiracy theories, I'll go with the single bullet falling in the forest. Who hears it?.....JB # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:42:10 +0100 From: ultrasuoni Subject: Re: (exotica) zounds! Hi all, I also bought the Basta reissue and it's a shame: no liner notes as in the original album, no song credits, a useless mini-interview and a mispelled name (Elliot instead of Dean Elliott, as in his real name). As to the sound, well, it almost sounds like a bootleg. I was yearning for that reissue: worst disappointment of the year!!! Anyway, since there's no other way to get hold of that record... francesco adinolfi, author of Mondo Exotica # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:06:14 -0500 From: "Carl Howard" Subject: Re: (exotica) Nelson Riddle & edible horse underwear OOPS! Yes, by a little concern called "Latin Jazz International" in NYC, for which I will be forever grateful! Carl Howard Ohio Regional WUV Supervisor Alien Abduction Coordinator Communist Dupe Extraordinaire - ----- Original Message ----- > In a message dated 12/21/2001 12:33:25 PM, litlgrey@ix.netcom.com writes: > > << that Bar None never > > released the projected Genius/1968 double, >> > > Available, however, as a "limited release". # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:27:30 -0500 From: "Carl Howard" Subject: Re: (exotica) zounds! I will offer my standard rant about Dean Elliott here. Dean Elliott, outside of this record, is perhaps best known as a musical collaborator for Chuck Jones while Jones was at MGM, and then afterwards as well. What always kills me is that as a composer for cartoons - particularly "Tom and Jerry" in 1965/66, Elliott obviously had the same sidemen as on "Zounds!" and many of the same mod-with-a-vengeance touches, but the brilliance level is not even close. His cartoons scores are uninspired, and have none of the subtlety of Jones' most famous cartoon score composers, among them Carl Stalling, Milt Franklyn, and Eugene Poddany. There was a similar problem in the '60s when William Lava filled in after Franklyn's death at Warner's in '62, but Lava redeemed himself in glorious fashion when he was assigned to "F-Troop" in '65/'66. Carl Howard Ohio Regional WUV Supervisor Alien Abduction Coordinator Communist Dupe Extraordinaire - ----- Original Message ----- > i know its probably old had to most of you, but my parents gave me the > basta cd re-issue of zounds! what sounds! for my birthday last month(of > course they sent it to the wrong address so i just got it). wow! hearing > this makes me think of hearing esquivel for the first time. it makes me > think of big bands meet willy wonka. the little plops and clock sounds just > make me think of certain scenes from that movie. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:52:16 -0500 From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: (exotica) My Heart will go on and no and on > We're all a bit jaded at this point. > For us, Esquivel is so 1998. It's really a list for > people who like exotica AND THEREFORE probably also like a whole bunch of > other stuff that isn't Celine Dion or Garth Brooks. OK I'm so jaded. Lets talk about that hot new star Celine! Going thru the old records you notice the same old songs popping up. If a song is popular everbody covers it. Which is not really done anymore. Except foe maybe monster hits like this. So far have heard 4 covers. Punk, Indian and Cambodian covers of this. And picked up a Club Mix99 a version by "Deja Vu". Domenic # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:08:36 -0500 From: "Domenic Ciccone" Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman From El Maestro Con Queso > Now if you're talking Route 66, I played a Perry Como version of it (from > Perry Como swings(?) on living stereo, nice picture of the man golfing on > the cover) and it truly swings. Bongo's, strings, Bluesy bass. > Unexpectedly fantastic. I have scratched up version of this. And it was nice! This may be the only upbeat record he did. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:58:01 -0500 From: azed@pathcom.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman At 07:49 PM 12/21/01 -0800, crymad wrote: . That's why I stressed un-ironic >_listening_ and not _music_. .> >I enjoy Jackie Gleason's sitar-laden "The Now Sound...For Today's >Lovers". Really enjoy it -- I don't have to be in a room with friends >so we can rib each other while it plays. .> >To continue with the sitar theme...on the other hand, while that bizarre >sitared "Up, Up, and Away" on the Incredibly Strange Music comp always >fills me and my wife with glee whenever it surprises us on one of my car >tapes, my enjoyment of that piece of work is ultimately hollow. It >wouldn't be as good if I were driving alone. I'll certainly agree that "Up Up and Away" by Rajput and the Sepoy Mutiny is pretty well the Mrs.Miller of sitar records. No offense to anyone who enjoys Mrs. Miller without irony. And I now understand the distinction you were trying to make. But just barely. And my lack of understanding may have something to do with the fact that I no longer see things in terms of "guilty pleasures". My guilty pleasures for the most part have become my pleasures. I can only think of a very few scattered examples of music where the "funny" part outweighs the part I genuinely enjoy. Jerry Vale comes to mind. I've become a huge fan of that whole era of "crooners" but Jerry's still a bit oily to me. And his version of "Love grows where my Rosemary goes" in particular, always makes me want to laugh. I might say the same thing for The Living Voices doing "Like a Rolling Stone" and a few other examples in that area. Enoch Light Singers - or was it Ray Charles - doing "Hello I love you" also. And I might be willing to admit a bit of ironic enjoyment in some extreme examples of sunshine psychedelia I've been indulging in lately. Free Design may be a true pleasure but there are bands who do the same thing not nearly so well and the excesses are more noticeable. But the problem I have with your original statement is that you applied it to the word "groovy". And perhaps we jumped to conclusions. But it seemed that you were implying that the very idea of grooviness required ironic listening if it's to be appreciated. And it's a familiar refrain. Maybe you didn't mean to imply such a thing but we've heard it before from others. And perhaps the reason we hear the implication is because when we first came upon this music ourselves, there was a touch or irony in our own enjoyment. You said "groovy gets a bit tiresome after a while". I can appreciate that. That even happens to me and "groovy" is my middle name (in Yiddish anyway.) But what is it about grooviness that gets tiresome? Tiresome implies that you're doing something besides just listening. What is it you're doing? Nodding your head and thinking "Ain't I groovy?" I don't know where to go with this. Nice to be talking about music for a change. AZ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Grandia Subject: (exotica) slightly exotic Xmas Stream Seasons Greetings, Exoticats! I have cobbled-together a Cristmas-flavored netcast that I hope some will enjoy. Most of it is pretty off- the-beaten path for Christmas fare. Sort of an Aural christmas card for friends. htt://63.145.234.217:8000/listen.pls for broadbanders htt://63.145.234.217:8010/listen.pls for modems Happy Holidays! Ron # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:39:21 EST From: JeffS87@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Looking for vintage electronic music Hi, I was looking for some old electronic music similar to Raymond Scott's "Soothing Sounds for Baby". He also had some more experimantal sounding stuff on "Manhatten Research Inc". Any suggestions? thanks Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 00:13:01 -0500 From: "Carl Howard" Subject: Re: (exotica) Looking for vintage electronic music You ought to use, as pointers, some of the CD compilations of the pioneer masters of electronic music which have come out in recent memory, such as "OHM" and "Vintage Modulations." Notr only will you find masterworks of the genre but you'll then have pointers to work by other artists, and complete albums by the featured artists. You'll want to know about people like Vladimir Ussachevsky, Tod Dockstader, Morton Subotnick, the "Kontakte" and "Mikrophonie" of Karleinz Stockhausen, Hugh Le Caine who was another delightful mad inventor, David Rosenboom (a bit later)... the list goes on and on. But anyway, get those compilations. Carl Howard Ohio Regional WUV Supervisor Alien Abduction Coordinator Communist Dupe Extraordinaire - ----- Original Message ----- > > Hi, > > I was looking for some old electronic music similar to Raymond Scott's > "Soothing Sounds for Baby". He also had some more experimantal sounding > stuff on "Manhatten Research Inc". > > Any suggestions? > > thanks > Jeff # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #1089 ******************************