From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #458 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Sunday, July 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 458 In This Digest: (exotica) Davie Allan & The Arrows tour dates (exotica) western shwing Re: (exotica) Leferve/Ros/Aldritch/etc Re: (exotica) Zoomer, the beatnik tiki robot Re: (exotica) Re: Velvet Underground and other Piles of Shit Re: (exotica) Studio 2 and taste Re: (exotica) Studio 2 stereo covers (exotica) Peyton Place (exotica) (very off topic) compuserve ok? Re: (exotica) Billy Tipton (was Western Swing) (exotica) Moogs, Moons, Marimbas, and More (exotica) Andrew Edgar (exotica) Edmundo Ros! RE: (exotica) Western Swing (exotica) Re: Western Swing Re: (exotica) Re: Test Card Classics...... Re: (exotica) Zoomer, the beatnik tiki robot (exotica) Tiki Bob's Lament Re: (exotica) Western Swing (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, July 25 (exotica) Re: Western Swing (exotica) Western Swing (exotica) CD Changers -- Opinions??? Re: (exotica) Studio 2 and taste (exotica) legal low-power FM possibility Re: (exotica) CD Changers -- Opinions??? Re: (exotica) Re: Test Card Classics...... (exotica) Yet another exotica poem (exotica) Re: "Exotiquarium" Re: (exotica) Re: "Exotiquarium" Re: (exotica) Re: Western Swing Re: (exotica) Western Swing (exotica) Command on CD ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:00:55 EDT From: MoeLawns@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Davie Allan & The Arrows tour dates OK, not exactly exotica, but the band does do a Mancini cover, so that's reason enough to list here (besides, we know that several of you on this list love Davie)! 7/27 - NY - Continental Club - 25 3rd Ave. - (212)529-6924 7/28 - Portland, ME - Free St. Tavern - 128 Free St. - (207)774-1114 7/29 - Montreal - Jailhouse Rock - 30 Mt. Royal St. - (515)844-9696 7/30 - Toronto - El Mocambo - 464 Spadina Ave. - (416)968-2001 7/31 - Detroit - Magic Stick - 4219 Woodward Ave. - (313)833-0314 8/1 - Milwaukee - Cactus Club - 2496 S. Wentworth Ave - (414)482-0160 8/2 - Iowa City, IA - Gabe's - 330 E. Washington - (319)354-4788 8/3 - St. Louis - Side Door - 2005 Locust St. - (314)231-3666 8/5 - Atlanta, GA - Star Bar - 437 Moreland Ave. - (404)681-9018 8/6 - Asheville, NC - Stella Blue - 31 Patton Ave. - (828)236-2424 8/7 - Chapel Hill, NC - Local 506 (Sleazefest) 506 W. Franklin - (919)942-5506 8/10 - Chicago - Lounge Axe - 2438 N. Lincoln Ave. - (773)525-6620 8/11 - Buffalo - Mohawk Place - 47 E. Mohawk - (716)855-3931 8/12 - Cleveland - Pat's in the Flats - 2233 W. 3rd St. - (216)621-8044 8/13 - Philadelphia - Upstairs at Nick's - 16 S.Second - (215)336-2042 8/14 - Hoboken, NJ - Maxwell's - (201)798-0406 Hope to see some of you...thanks Lee/Dionysus Records/Davie's bass player # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 00:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin@astsoft.com (kevin leeeeee) Subject: (exotica) western shwing it's the heat right? thanks to steve again for that awesome dense list. you rule. billy strange might be a good "bridge" between the more traditional exotica stuff and the country/western thing. there was a "strange country" compilation out a few years ago i think. i have a billy strange lp from 70's where he does a lot of tv show themes. seems like the 70's was the peak of the tv show theme. i mean, how many cover albums come out these days featuring only tv show themes? speedy west i can also add my recommendation whatever that's worth. there's that whole slide guitar hawaii/western thing there, further proving the relevancy of this relevant topic. of course then there's lee hazlewood.... it saddens me that people, esp. in america, have practically abandoned western swing. and country for that matter. whatever is passing for popular country nowadays is about as country as a lot of those alleged "ska" bands today are actual jamaican ska music (sorry, not meant to generate flame, just trying to make a point). support your local bluegrass and swing musicians and maybe the music won't completely die out. also recommended, pbs did a great series on the history of country and western. clearly distinguishing the two genres. did a good job as far as a general overview and giving "props" to those such as bob wills. can't remember the name, but i did tape it... i think. personal note, in ann arbor michigan i used to listen to this western swing dj every saturday morning on wcbn-fm. i grew up pretty much hearing that every saturday when i'd go buy comic books cos the owner, norm, would always play it. i hated it at first. about as funky or cool as a golf club. but then it got to me, cant say when or why. but one day i realized how fucking cool this music was. this took many years, btw., probably after norm closed his comic store. i also USED to hate: the carpenters, the fifth dimension, blues, country, hippie dippy stuff in the vein of free design... still dislike for the most part: classical period classical music, polkas, new age, (most) folk music... but i never hated: herb alpert, popcorn, pink panther theme, 70's tv show themes peace, love, and all that shit. kevin leeeeee # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:20:03 +0200 From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica) Leferve/Ros/Aldritch/etc M.H.Jemmeson@newcastle.ac.uk wrote: > What about the others? Frank Chacksfield always seemed drippy to me, and Ramond > Leferve just a bit dull. There's a GREAT cd by Raymond Lefevre, featuring his scores for the 'gendarme' movies by Louis de Funès. It's not dull at all. Very entertaining and nicely packaged. I think Johan agrees on this one :-) Marco Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:20:22 +0200 From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica) Zoomer, the beatnik tiki robot Sandberg Magnus wrote: > I am Zoomer > Not annoying to much i hope, > gotta split the scene You have been playing too much Western Swing lately! :-) Marco - -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:20:44 +0200 From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Velvet Underground and other Piles of Shit Peter Risser wrote: > And besides, a lesson we've learned a billion and one times on this > list, a good tune transcends all genres, arrangable in any style. > > This list, like the other lists I am part of, is exceptional, only > because it leaps librarian-driven category boundaries, drawing links > between all sorts of music.-- I can only heartily agree. And that's the way I like to play records too: one moment Yma Sumac is in my cd-player, five minutes later I feel like playing something by John Coltrane and after that I may dig out the first Velvet Underground album or maybe even some country record (yes, I have a few of those - - nothing wrong with Hank Williams or Johnny Cash!). An open mind, now that's what I call really exotic! Marco - -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:00:49 +0100 (BST) From: M.H.Jemmeson@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Re: (exotica) Studio 2 and taste > Peter Hipwell has (is) lovingly compiling a Studio 2 Discography (and a > Phase 4 discography). Here is the URL: > http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~petehip/home.html > I think it was his post about the pages that started the phase 4 thread, > that came back through studio 2 to the same place. Indeed they are both > mighty diverse labels. Mighty and Diverse. You would have to be a > complete completist to want the lot on either, I wouldn't buy anything > on either label just because it was on the label. But there are some > really great records on both. There's an explanation of what the 'phase 4' name means here: http://www.concentric.net/~oakapple/gasdisc/decca_phase4.htm and an interview with the Phase 4 producer here with a few comments about mono/stereo and 'bachelor pad music': http://home.earthlink.net/~mercmoon/damato1.html # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:07:05 +0100 (BST) From: M.H.Jemmeson@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Re: (exotica) Studio 2 stereo covers > In a message dated 7/23/99 12:18:08 PM, cscheffy@kinglet.Berkeley.EDU wrote: > > >However, even the really lousy S2 albums benefit from the amazing recording > >techniques and sound great. > > To say nothing of the covers. Even the military marching bands and Scottish > kilt fellas' bands have covers that look brand spankin' new. If nothing else, > Studio 2 provides excellent wall art. For modern art/psychedelic covers I like classical records too. Some are real masterpieces: blocks of colour, geometric patterns, spirals, cut-up photos etc. Often worth looking through (in addition to the fact that easy listening stuff often ends up in the same box) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:58:08 -0700 From: Larson/Thomas Subject: (exotica) Peyton Place The other day I was watching a series called "The 50's" (taped off the = History Channel), and when the topic got to the book "Peyton Place" = there was a wonderful audio excerpt of someone reading a paragraph or so = from the book. It sounded like the author, Grace Metalious, but I = haven't been able to determine if there is actually a recording = somewhere of her reading from her book. Does anyone know about this? Thanks, Jerry # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin@astsoft.com (kevin leeeeee) Subject: (exotica) (very off topic) compuserve ok? hi, i'm really sorry to bother you all but i'm trying to see if anyone can dis-recommend compuserve??? i don't know anyone who uses it. but they have this free computer deal thing but you have to sign a 3 year contract with them. very scary. sorry again. kevin leeeeee ps please email me responses off-list. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:51:22 -0500 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: Re: (exotica) Billy Tipton (was Western Swing) >Moritz wrote about Billy Tipton: > >> Billy Tipton was a woman who wanted >> play the bandstand but couldn't get gigs wearing her dress. So she lived >> her life as a man, >Zounds! That's pretty exotic... You mean s/he did all this for being in a >band? Well, you know those wacky artists, Mo. Anything for their art. Sure there were other reasons. But Billy started x-dressing to get work to support herself and her mother. When she was a teenager, Billy began to play gigs in her hometown of Tulsa, OK. In the late 20s Tulsa was a jumpin' place with lots of jazz clubs and the beginnings of western swing. She had good chops as a piano and sax player and more skill than a lot of other pros she auditioned with -- she could read and arrange music and her playing swung. But bands wouldn't hire her because touring with a single woman at the time was verboten. Plus, this was the Depression, so living was hard for everyone. When she got a good gig after auditioning in x-dress, Billy lived part-time as a man. Her path was sealed when she fell in love an older women, described as a butch lesbian, in _Suits Me_. Diane Middlebrook suggests that Billy found other payoffs as a man: the love of docile, somewhat sheltered women, freedom to become a bandleader, stylin' duds and a fling as a playboy, opportunities to express his creativity and hold the spotlight, satistfaction as the considerate caretaker of his women and adopted sons, and a mentor to younger musicians. And money. He could make better money as a man, even though he was stuck for most of his career in second- or third-tier jobs in supper and nightclubs through the American Midwest and Northwest. Billy went to incredible lengths to maintain the pretense: shaving twice a day when he was gigging, for instance. He surrounded himself with people who were too naive or too egocentric to see through him. He deflected questions with a joke or a lie or outright evasion. He was constantly dogged by fears that he'd be found out. In the late 50s he stopped performing, just as the Billy tipton Trio was on the verge of making it. They were getting better jobs than ever before, playing warmup for Liberace in Las Vegas and LA, among others, plus the record contracts. Middlebrook argues -- quite convincingly -- that Billy had entered the realm of big-time entertainment, where his new peers had the sophistication to catch him at his ruse. He withdrew to a small town in Washington state and worked as a booking agent until he died in 1989. Sadly, only at his death did Billy win the fame he'd wanted. The news media worldwide reported his death not because he was a well-known musician but because of the scale of his deception. I've never heard any of Tipton's music, and I'd love to. If anyone has the Tops lps, _Sweet Georgia Brown_ (56) or _Billy Tipton Plays Hi-Fi on Piano_ (56 or 57), I'm ready to buy. A detailed description would please me too. Please contact me offlist. I don't know if there are any translations of _Suits Me_. Is a paper edition is in print? Got me. It's likely because Middlebrook is a respected writer whose _Ann Sexton_, a bio of the American poet, was nominated for the National Book Award, a big deal here. Read it as a fascinating social history of the Swing Era that raises lots of subtle questions about gender, sexuality, and tolerance. It's an amazing story. And yes, Mo, to most people Billy's life would be exotic. But then artists are pretty exotic to most people too. Suiting up, Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:38:16 -0600 From: matt@infogenic.net Subject: (exotica) Moogs, Moons, Marimbas, and More I have an EBay auction with pretty friendly minimum bids. I hate to solicit but I do have: Moon Gas - Hyman/Mayo It's About Time - Tonto Several Martin Denny Several Arthur Lyman Several more in the next day or two Check them out at: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=mcwax Thanks for looking. Matt # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 06:24:16 +0200 From: "Sandberg Magnus" Subject: (exotica) Andrew Edgar Am I the only one who thinks this boring brit is serious pain? sorry, had to get it out of me wrong of me edgar very welcome to the list very very very welcome M # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:50:34 -0500 From: "Brian Karasick" Subject: (exotica) Edmundo Ros! Cheryl wrote: > Personally, I will gladly trade away the one or two Frank Chacksfield > LPs that have found their way into my collection. But Edmundo Ros??? > This is the man who released "Latin Love In"! While some of his releases > are better than others, I consider him among the better "exotica" > musicians, and I believe that he deserves a home in any exotica > collection. But then, that's just my humble little opinion. Edmundo Ros' "Dance Again" was so good, we had trouble deciding which tracks NOT to play in a previous Space Bop. This one, along with Werner Mueller's "Hawaiian Swing", are two of our favourites in the Phase 4 series. Of course other Ros and Mueller Phase 4 releases are not as strong so best to listen first. These two however, are guaranteed to please! Brian Karasick Physical Planner McGill University Montreal, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:15:47 -0700 From: Larson/Thomas Subject: RE: (exotica) Western Swing So do you want to also ban discussion of Morricone's Spaghetti Western = Soundtracks? And Dean Martin's western recordings? =20 I love crossover tracks like Nat King Cole's "The Ballad of Cat Ballou," = or Les Paul's version of "The Chicken Reel." And "16 Tons" by Tennessee = Ernie Ford is simply one of the great songs in any genre. =20 I personally don't think that discussing western-type recordings puts us = in danger of becoming a Garth Brooks group. I doubt that most people on = the list work at a Ford plant and go to rodeos on the weekend. But = that's just my opinion. Jerry - -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Edgar [SMTP:AEdgar@turnermac.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 6:14 AM To: 'Brian Phillips'; exotica mailing list Subject: RE: (exotica) Western Swing This all sounds pretty awful, this is supposed to be for exotica, not mainstream C+W garbage, the next thing will be discussions on Kenny = Rodgers, then Rita Coolidge, Dwighht Yoakum, Then Garth Brookes. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:25:37 -0500 From: "Brian Karasick" Subject: (exotica) Re: Western Swing I have to say that the mention of C&W music is something that usually sets my stomach spinning but I think one must separate the Nashville pop crossover schlock from the more sincere "western" music, aka early Johnny Cash, Frankie Laine, etc. And I'm embarrased to say that I had no appreciation whatsoever for this stuff before Moritz sent me a cassette... from Germany! I still need to find out more about Quebec's own country music of which I know very little beyond Willy Lamothe, a pseudo Wayne Newton look alike singer and some time actor. Brian Karasick Physical Planner McGill University Montreal, Canada # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:51:17 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Test Card Classics...... In a message dated 7/23/99 1:45:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, nminer@jhmi.edu writes: << I'm still waiting for all of those drive-in snack bar ad music accompaniments - >> Let's go out to the Lobby . . . . . . . . # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:01:55 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Zoomer, the beatnik tiki robot In a message dated 7/24/99 3:21:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Kalnenekweirdomusic@wxs.nl writes: << Sandberg Magnus wrote: > I am Zoomer > Not annoying to much i hope, > gotta split the scene You have been playing too much Western Swing lately! :-) Marco >> Maybe the tiki robot's name is "Tumor" as in the kind growing on his brain. (That might explain him listening to Western Swing [you know - that Redneck smelly shit music]). Actually I like WS and have enjoyed the "exchange" regarding this and the interesting post. Being remarkably quiet (village) on the swing subject, Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:10:44 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: (exotica) Tiki Bob's Lament oh Exotic List what do you say? topics vary in a "shitty" way. the enchanted seas to england do row but alas i learn that western swing does blow. what would martin, or les, or amy say? well, the latter did cussed out an audience one day. so does a bastard make one who would call denny jazz? and is it inapproriate to call such one retard or spaz? oh i know how to judge exotica the best and forget the tiki torching flames of nary a pest. it's the beat man, the heat man, the bongo beat to a throb. yes that is exotica - in the heart of this bob. Thanks for the inspiration Mag, Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 17:14:47 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Western Swing In a message dated 7/24/99 12:11:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jlarson1@san.rr.com writes: << I personally don't think that discussing western-type recordings puts us in danger of becoming a Garth Brooks group. I doubt that most people on the list work at a Ford plant and go to rodeos on the weekend. But that's just my opinion. >> I really find this discussion interesting. I don't enjoy current rock music but I do like the Oldies Rock (you know 50's and 60's stuff). I don't like country music a lot either but I (an don't others???) admit that current country music is more like the early rock of what we now call the Oldies era. So Tiki Bob does join in on the discusion! And to add a little excitment I will include a cuss word. Bitch. Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:45:06 -0400 From: cheryl Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, July 25 Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm on CKUT 90.3 FM in Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at: http://www.ckut.ca All comments, questions, and feedback welcome. Space Bop #58 Blame It On The Bossa Nova Gotz Alsmann: Va Ba Ba Boom "Gestatten" Montefiori Cocktail: So, What's New "Raccolta No. 1" Klaus Wunderlich: Felicidade "Sound 2000" Hugo Strasser: Exodus/Smile/High Noon (Bossa Nova Medley) "Filmhits Zum Tanzen" Serge Gainsbourg: Couleur Cafe "Espresso Espresso" Brasilian Boys: Per l'Eternita "Mo'Plen Brazilia" Lalo Schifrin: Lalo's Bossa Nova (Samba Para Dos) "Mission Impossible...And More" Edmundo Ros: Blame It On The Bossa Nova "Latin Boss - Senor Ros" Sergio Mendes: Mas Que Nada "Cocktail Mix 2: Martini Madness" Chico Buarque: A Banda "Chico Total" Dimitri From Paris: Une Very Stylish Fille "Sacrebleu" Walter Wanderley: Music To Watch Girls By "Boss Of The Bossa Nova" Combustible Edison: Summer Samba "Blue Light" Mrs. Miller: The Girl From Ipanema "Wild Cool & Swingin'" Quincy Jones: Soul Bossa Nova "Cocktail Mix 2: Martini Madness" Connie Francis: Bossa Nova Hand Dance "Cocktail Mix 2: Martini Madness" Fantastic Plastic Machine: Bossa For Jackie (Summer Review EP Version) "Luxury" Jona & Coro: W La Felicita "Mo'Plen Brazilia" Thanks for reading. cheryls@dsuper.net brian@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:54:06 -0400 From: "Brian Tozer" Subject: (exotica) Re: Western Swing I was probably the king of all C&W haters when I came across Asleep at the Wheels' "Tribute to Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys". I couldn't believe it...no whiny pedal steel guitars (Wills- era players used the lap steel), top-notch playing, upbeat interesting music! That album is overly slick (and includes guest appearances by some inappropriate performers such as Huey Lewis) but it's an easy introduction to Wills' music and it spurred me to buy Rhino's "Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys Anthology". This set shows the versatility of the Wills band quite well...there's even material that could be called "Big Band" on it. After hearing the above I began to test the C&W waters, and there IS some worthwhile material out there...really! By the way, to the Canadians on the list...apparently Don Messer's band could play incredibly well live, and were often compared to Bob Wills. (Most Canadians only remember the tired old band that our parents forced us to watch once a week on the CBC) Brian T # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 02:47:50 +0200 From: "Sandberg Magnus" Subject: (exotica) Western Swing Can anyone describe the difference between bluegrass and western swing = please? Dont have much but enjoy the stuff called Bluegrass most. High Highly enjoy a 50s double lp called "Banjo Jamboree" from Starday. = I believe its bluegrass, Banjo pickin are kinda psychedelic actually. = Would love to hear more of that in exotica, the forbidden five way. I = know you are with me on that Peter. Rednecks? I would say sensitive poets. Eartbound poets. And thats good. = At least I think so. Highly enjoy Robert Pete Williams too. Different worlds that may not = differ that much. its Man. Magnus # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:26:11 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: (exotica) CD Changers -- Opinions??? Would any member care to make a comment (or comments) regarding their prefrences/experiences with CD changers? Specifically, I am wondering if the front load or the carousel ones are preferred? I picked up a Technics front loader but I am concerned that the CDs may get scratched when they load and unload from the narrow slots. Do you think the carousels would be less likely to scratch the CDs? I looked very hard at a Pioneer carousel that was about the same price. Any comments will be greatly appreciated. Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:47:28 +0100 (BST) From: M.H.Jemmeson@newcastle.ac.uk Subject: Re: (exotica) Studio 2 and taste > I think my favourite Studio 2 release must be (something like) 'Norrie > Paramor plays the hits of Cliff Richard and the Shadows in a Latin > Style'. That's not too strange, since Norrie Paramor was Cliff Richard's producer. He also supposedly produced the first UK rock'n'roll record but i've forgotten the band's name (someone and the Rockets I think). He didn't like R'n'R but when Cliff's b-side 'Move It' was a hit he had to continue. On Studio 2 there's also a George Martin one playing the hits of the Beatles but it's pretty straightforward. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:16:40 -0400 From: "m.ace" Subject: (exotica) legal low-power FM possibility The FCC is accepting public comment on legalizing low-power FM stations: http://www.fcc.gov/mmb/prd/lpfm/ Ron... your move. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:18:38 -0400 From: "m.ace" Subject: Re: (exotica) CD Changers -- Opinions??? >Would any member care to make a comment (or comments) regarding their >prefrences/experiences with CD changers? Magnusvox makes a really sweet 6-foot maple console model, but it's pretty difficult to find. m.ace ecam@voicenet.com OOK http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:03:02 EDT From: LTepedino@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Test Card Classics...... Sinister Cinema has two volumes (!) of nothing but intermission films trying to get people to go to the concession stand. Ashley # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:26:39 +0200 From: "Sandberg Magnus" Subject: (exotica) Yet another exotica poem (It seems I go more and more off topic Just tell me to stop and I will) Cool waters and dragonflies a house with a fireplace and no electricity a black and white tv that was driven by battery as i remember the movies were old older than me the poisonous snake in the pit One day he left his side and visited ours but dad carried him away Both wolwes and bears have been seen around my summers paradise A paradise sold=20 because it was too old flashes from a world that i used to know Leaving nature early on Collected by a god or what that was mean to me or was it the other way around Finding love yet again Is the worry just me I'm nature too and proud of it gotta get that worry out cause it hurts me give me a sign if I am OK All i want is to belong in a thing not to wrong with a love to all relate to digital zoomer zooms in one colored squares thats not very hip but maybe its better to see the cyberpunks cell so we can tell its all fake When i go I go=20 south sea thats where i wanna be Its the quiet village for all eternity with nice people in the bar speking soft and kind about the things they've done to the tones of exotic sounds Magnus No toy robot at all # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:46:48 +0200 From: Johan Dada Vis Subject: (exotica) Re: "Exotiquarium" i don't think i ever contacted them about it. i don't mind ;-) Johan quiet@village.uunet.be | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ | ) / \ At 22:59 -0600 99/07/23, "m.ace" wrote: > >Johan? Did you ever get any response out of those people who, er, >appropriated your word "Exotiquarium" for their book? # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:51:48 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: "Exotiquarium" In a message dated 7/25/99 10:21:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Quiet@village.uunet.be writes: << i don't think i ever contacted them about it. i don't mind ;-) Johan quiet@village.uunet.be >> what a noble gesture. others would be busy securing lawyers. tiki bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:12:36 -0400 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Western Swing At 07:54 PM 7/24/99 -0400, Brian Tozer wrote: > >I was probably the king of all C&W haters when I came across >Asleep at the Wheels' "Tribute to Bob Wills and the Texas >Playboys". I couldn't believe it...no whiny pedal steel guitars >After hearing the above I began to test the C&W waters, and there >IS some worthwhile material out there...really! I'm not trying to convince or convert anybody but I'm kind of surprised to see the consistency of the anti-country sentiments on this list. All those old complaints about "whiny" steel guitars etc. At this rate we'll soon hear comments about big hair, nasal voices, the consistency of subject matter - "my wife left me for a truckdriver and my dog got hit by a train" - and other cliches which anyone who loves a certain kind of music, hears all the time. I love country music, bluegrass, honky-tonk, compilations of country-blues from the 30's, country and western and even country-rock. I don't care for "New Country" but I like a lot of what they call "alternative country" or "No Depression country" or even "insurgent country". Country music is as "significant" a part of my taste as anything we ever talk about here and I am just as thrilled to find an early record by Little Jimmy Dickens - before he got into the "novelty songs" - as I am to find a Dick Schory percussion record or a funky Johnny Lyttle organ 'n vibes record. One of my prized possessions is a Ralph Stanley record from the early seventies. It's all gospel and religious material "but" it's one of the most beautiful records I've ever heard. Yeah if you don't love country music, you can be distracted by all those whiny, nasal, cliche-ridden aspects that are certainly there much of the time. But the music is not defined by those aspects any more than the music we talk about here is defined by the things its detractors say about it. I'm not trying to get the list to extend its discussion into country music or even Western swing for that matter. It just got a little tiresome to hear the consistent dismissal of an entire musical genre, especially from a group who you'd think would question musical prejudices. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 15:48:15 -0400 From: Nat Kone Subject: Re: (exotica) Western Swing At 02:47 AM 7/25/99 +0200, Sandberg Magnus wrote: > >Can anyone describe the difference between bluegrass and western swing please? >Dont have much but enjoy the stuff called Bluegrass most. There's really not much comparison at all between the two unless all "country" music sounds the same to you. I'm not going to haul out the research but the records generally identified as "the first country records" were much closer to what we would now call "bluegrass" or even "folk" than to country or "country and western" A lot of these records have been gathered in a compilation called "The Bristol Sessions" because they were recorded in Bristol, a town where one side of the main street is in Tennessee and the other side in Virginia. (Or maybe West Virginia?) If you listen to the Jimmie Rodgers (not the "Honeycomb" guy) cuts on those first sessions, it almost sounds like old blues. And in fact there are compilations out there whose basic goal is to show you how similar white "folk music" and black folk music were at the time. And to some degree, the development of country music is the story of removing the "blues influence" from the music. Anyway, Western Swing is a fairly "narrow" phenomenon. It's country with strong jazz, hot jazz, swing and even early R&B influences. I'm not saying "narrow" as a criticism; it's just that there's not that much of it compared to these other forms of country music. However Western Swing did influence the development of country music and you can hear a lot more of what it influenced than you can hear genuine Western Swing. I don't think it's accurate to say that Western Swing "retained" the black influence so much as it "inserted" them back in the music. I listen to lots of country and bluegrass but very little Western Swing. I have some of the compilations mentioned here but for me they're more "fun" than essential. I put it in a narrow corner of my taste along with old rock n roll, Louis Jordan and other forms of rollicking, good time party music. I don't really like happy party music much in any genre. I'm more into the melancholy and emotional. (Not that partying is not an emotion...) There's a lot of lickety-split fast-picking musicianship to bluegrass and that's not really what I value in it, though it has its pleasures. I can be cynical about words like this but I love bluegrass because it's real and pure. I hear human beings expressing themselves with a kind of directness that I don't hear in lots of music, even music I love. I also love the obsession with murder ballads and other gothic tales. But even when they're singing about Jesus, I don't care because it's not what they're singing about but the emotion and passion that connects for me. I haven't answered your question. Bluegrass is mountain music and Western swing is more city music. Enough about country music today. Nat # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 1999 13:25:14 +0000 From: bag@hubris.net Subject: (exotica) Command on CD From what I can determine, there are 4 CDs which dip into the Command library, not one of which probably covers everything, but each one has some cuts you can't find elsewhere on CD. So, to get as much as you can get, you have to buy 3 CDs with some duplication. It is too bad someone just can't issue a 4 CD set with no duplication. The Good Music Company is selling a 2 CD set called Persuasive Percussion. This looks like a straight reissue off the double album reissue (which left some cuts off from the original releases). Compare with the two Verese Sarabande recordings: Persuasive Percussion (which has all of Persuasive Percussion and 6 cuts from volume 2) and Provacative Percussion which has all of Provocative Percussion and 6 cuts from volume 2. The Good Music company set has several cuts not on either of the VS: Mack the Knife, Out of Nowhere, Yours is My Heart Alone, La Cucaracha, Lady of Spain, Speak to Me of Love Cha Cha and Theme from Polyvetsian Dances. Meanwhile, the VS CD Persuasive Percussion has two cuts not on the Good Music set: The Breeze and I, Dearly Beloved (a cut from the original LP volume 1 and a cut from the LP volume 2). Also, the VS CD Provacative Percussion has three cuts not on the Good Music set: Matilda, Good Night Sweetheart Cha Cha and The Lady is a Tramp, all from Command's Prov. Perc. Vol. 2. I didn't compare all the Command cuts for the CDs, but something tells me all four of these CDs don't have everything you can get by buying the records. And some people wonder why I buy records! Byron Byron Caloz Portland, Oregon, USA, Earth, Sol, Milky Way http://www.hubris.net/zolac The Mr. Smooth site: http://www.hubris.net/zolac/smooth # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ End of exotica-digest V2 #458 *****************************