From: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com (exotica-digest) To: exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: exotica-digest V2 #465 Reply-To: exotica-digest Sender: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-exotica-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes exotica-digest Friday, July 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 465 In This Digest: Re: (exotica) Re: Spanky pronouncement Re: (exotica) Rumors about the death of my website are greatly exaggerated Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here (exotica) Album cover book.... RE: (exotica) Spanky pronouncement (exotica) shoes (exotica) not dimitri?! (exotica) Willner Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here Re: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake Re: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) Re: (exotica) Album cover book.... Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here (exotica) Perez Prado RE: (exotica) Confessions of a fashion-victim! Re: (exotica) New eXotica Releases Overview Update Re: RE: (exotica) Spanky pronouncement Re: (exotica) Re: Spanky pronouncement RE: (exotica) Confessions of a fashion-victim! RE: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) Re: (exotica) Confessions of a fashion-victim! (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 (exotica) Hong Kong RE: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here Re: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 Re: Caramba, Re: (exotica) Incredibly Strange Message (exotica) Re: Perez Prado (and the Mysterians...?) Re: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:38:02 EDT From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Spanky pronouncement In a message dated 7/29/99 8:27:40 PM, knucklehead000@yahoo.com wrote: >I'll go listen again and give more specific examples, all of which are >based off the Greatest Hits comp. "Greatest Hits" comps are nice introductions, but hardly the True Grit of a group. >Also, I said they "remind me of sub-standard Mamas and the Papas" which you'd have difficulty refuting, since you are not me. But as your forbear I know a lot more than you about music and that's simple fact not egotistical bellowing. So when it comes to some facts about music from the 60's, I tell you, you don't tell me....... > >What is with this list recently, with everyone being so damn touchy? I thought Ashley was right to take the stand he did. He has certainly stuck his neck out on behalf of music's advancement and I have personally witnessed his passion for and about current music in the "realm" we discuss here. His assertion about the timeliness on Dimitri's release in 1996 was right on the money and why should he care whether someone thinks he's "touchy"? >I'll maintain that I like the Mamas and the Papas better than I like Spanky OR Fifth Dimension. Isn't that special! I totally disagree on both counts # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:38:09 -0400 From: Subject: Re: (exotica) Rumors about the death of my website are greatly exaggerated To: exotica@xmission.com I mention all this just for the sake of setting the record straight. I don't do this for money in the first place, so I'm not going to make a Federal case out of this. OK, time to get off the soapbox. Brad Bigelow spaceagepop@earthlink.net >>>Brad and BasciHip make me yearn for the "old days" of this list, when it was filled with the moooovers and shakers of both the music industry and also of just record collecting. I always appreciate the reasoned knowledge and insight guys like you and Cleve provide. This list has really become sorta The Jerry Springer Show Mit Birdcalls lately. Perhaps I am guilty of pandering as well, but I truly appreciate the music-education. That's why I signed on from the beginning. Admiringly, Jane Fondle - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:50:38 +0100 (BST) From: Jill Mingo Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here ><< I would like to make it clear that although I listen to > Esquivel and Martin Denny on occasion, I do in fact think > they *are* pretty much cheesy, novelty music. >> I just wanted to be the face of diplomacy here and first say that I don't think Steve's comments are meant to be that harsh. I know what he means about it being a bit "cheesy". Some Denny and Esquivel is a bit cringing,but some is amazing. I happen to like sunshine pop, which is sickly sweet at times. That is kinda what I enjoy, but my "serious" side sometimes goes "Jill! What the hell are you listening to!" Then I remember, "good melodies, fun lyrics, good arrangements...not cheese" We are predisposed to what is "cheese". Society tells us that, and it is a constant struggle to remember that "Macarena" is cheese,not bird calls. I also sometimes have problems with the "look of lounge" although I also really like it, and even pander to it, but sometimes I think that I am cheapening the music, that people think it is style over content. and it clearly is NOT. I know I've been born 30 years too late,and I have a lot of modern things within my retro styling. Still being unique without falling into trappings. So I think I know how Steve feels. Sometimes you get a bit sickened by the stylized labelling, but I know how Tiki B feels too. Both are totally valid. But I don't think either have meant to be insulting. Smokin' the peace pipe, Jill "Mingo-go" # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:44:59 -0400 From: "Nathan Miner" Subject: (exotica) Album cover book.... Hey, I know this was mentioned before but I wasn't paying attention..... How's that book called "Album covers from the vinyl junkyard...." (or = something like that......)??? - - Nate (It's "bargain priced" through Edward Hamilton Booksellers....) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:00:08 -0500 From: "Indy Rutks" Subject: RE: (exotica) Spanky pronouncement Hugh Petfield wrote: > Didn't Spanky stand in for the late (and missed) Cass Elliott > when the Mamas > and Papas reformed a while back? Yes. A number of years ago, the retooled M's & P's played at the Minnesota State Fair. This version consisted of John Phillips, Spanky, MacKenzie Phillips, and Scott Something-or-other (he had a hit in the 60's, "San Francisco"). Scott was a last minute replacement for Denny Whats-his-name. Side-note: Chynna Phillips was there too, helping sell merchandise after the show (this was looong before Wilson-Phillips). - -Indy Rutks (rutks002@tc.umn.edu) # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:01:44 +0100 From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) shoes We never did sort out the loafers thing, myself I vote for tassels, I have a nice pair of Italian brogues with tassels (if theres not too many contradictions in there, but I'm sure you listees can deal with hybrids) but a want a pair of those old seventies boat like penny loafers with tassels, preferably in ox blood. I got close 6 months ago, but they only had size 7 and 10 and a half (English sizes). the sartorial El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.sgillitt.dircon.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm PS my bust of Elvis wears the Fez in this house. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:07:38 +0100 From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) not dimitri?! Roy most recently mentioned . I also loved Andrew's comment about Casio demos being true exotica. It got me thinking about other electronic instruments and their demos and the work that went into making them. Man, in 30 years someone will be collecting and listening to electronic interment demos. Fascinating. Also thanks to everyone else who had something to say. I can't forget Tiki Bob's shoes, he needs to post a scan of them, so all can see. This is what makes this list an amazing forum of strong opinions and unique tastes. I have a friend with a 45 minute tape of demos from cheap keyboards, I'm sure he'll do copies.............. Afraid to say I have no opinion of dimitri, but as an ex raver and techno-artiste I loved the original description, especially the Olympic class frotterism. glibly El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.sgillitt.dircon.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:17:56 +0100 From: G.R.Reader@bton.ac.uk Subject: (exotica) Willner Mimi asked: Anyone know what Willner is up to these days? There was some discussion here of a new CD about 6 months ago, which I've not seen. I believe he played as part of the Nick Cave Meltdown Festival in London recently, the same series of concerts that got a lot of us up to see Lee Hazlewood. I didn't go to that one, and haven't read any reports. Surely someone else can add details. In the know but not in the thick of it El Maestro Con Queso djcheesemaster@yahoo.com grr@brighton.ac.uk http://www.sgillitt.dircon.co.uk/cheese/cheese.htm # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:18:19 +0200 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here Jill Mingo wrote: > ><< I would like to make it clear that although I listen to > > Esquivel and Martin Denny on occasion, I do in fact think > > they *are* pretty much cheesy, novelty music. >> > > I just wanted to be the face of diplomacy here and first say that I don't > think Steve's comments are meant to be that harsh. I know what he means > about it being a bit "cheesy". First of all: he said "pretty much", not "a bit". > I also sometimes have problems with the "look of lounge" although I also > really like it, and even pander to it, but sometimes I think that I am > cheapening the music, that people think it is style over content. and it > clearly is NOT. I know I've been born 30 years too late,and I have a lot of > modern things within my retro styling. Still being unique without falling > into trappings. The way you put things here, you don't talk about the music, but about the circumstances. What people make of Exotica today, the surroundings. I always had my diffculties with "lounge", cocktail zipping, chique dressing, small talking. Not that I despise easy entertainment, but all this often seemed quite "retro" to me, like a masquerade. To me Exotica was more a holy thing. And that's why I have to protect Martin Denny here, because especially Martin Denny, and especially his first 10 albums, is not cheesy at all. Call me a romantic, but many of his early titles are sheer beauty and wild power. I can see nothing cheep or "made up" or false in it. It's a very unique way to transform the jazz of the likes of Cal Tjader into a new sound system, that makes the promise of imaginary Exotic worlds come true. As true as art can. BTW in a time when it wasn't retro at all. I find it hard to believe, that someone who works in the cartoon business, calls this cheesy. I thought that meanwhile even cultural phenomena like Disneyland are not just seen as lies and something false - cheap imitations of the "real" world -, but as an art of its own. With all the imaginary aspects, that they have. I do agree - if that's what you mean / and I talked about this myself on this list a long time ago - that one should be aware, that all this music from the 50s and 60s is from a distance past. We live at the edge of the 21st century and times have changed and the music has changed. The way music is consumed has changed. Things that once meant this, mean something else today. We shouldn't close our ears to contemporary styles. I said this in the context of discussions about Tipsy a.o., when people attacked Tipsy for their "simple" ways of sampling and "exploiting" Exotica. I could extend this to the dicussion about Dimitri: These sampling techniques are the way you do it today and something will emerge from it. It is a step, but a step in the right direction. Martin Denny was more than a step, he was a milestone. And he made a living with his music, which explains his later albums. But they don't affect his earlier works, not at all! I'd like to close this, claiming, that Martin Denny is a timeless statement against cheesiness. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 99 11:12:54 -0500 From: Michael Toth Subject: Re: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake Hello, Mimi! You wrote: >Thanks, Michael! Do you know (or does anyone know), is there a CD reissue >of the RCA-Victor lp "PREZ" PRADO (LSP1556)? Lucky you, it was one of the few Living Stereo reissues RCA/BMG Germany put out a few years back. As imports go, it's fairly reasonably priced. CD Now currently has it for $13.99 if you can't get anyone locally to special order it for you. Also, far better IMO is "Pops & Prado." Both have bonus tracks, some previously unreleased. GREAT reissues. Grab 'em both before they go out of print. Another must-get Prado is the 23-track domestic "2 en Uno" CD, with two groovy 1960s Mexican Prado LPs on one CD, including the spectacular "Tema de Los Monkees" and a *fabulous*, earth-shattering "Sobre El Arco Iris" ("Somewhere Over the Rainbow"). Currently $9.49 at CD Now ($10.97 list), and one of the best reissue deals around. (I think CD Now is a great resource, especially for imports and stuff you can't easily special order locally. I'd say I had no vested interest, but that's no longer true now that I have a link from my Three Suns site which gives me commission kickbacks from sales through that link!) (Also, I don't think I EVER thanked you for that cool photocopied Command catalog you mailed me eons ago. That was a LOT of work. THANK YOU. ) Michael David Toth mtoth@neo.lrun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:30:17 +0200 From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) Mimi Mayer wrote: > Thanks, Michael! Do you know (or does anyone know), is there a CD reissue > of the RCA-Victor lp "PREZ" PRADO (LSP1556)? I'm loco for this record but > my copy got mauled before I scooped it naked outta the thrift bin. Yes, it's available on RCA Victor 7432 26052 2 - including 5 bonus tracks. > I second Michael's remarks about STAY AWAKE, the Disney cover compilation, > although my fav cut is Sun Ra doing Pink Elephants on Parade. There's a complete Sun Ra CD on which he plays only music from Disney films. Marco - -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:30:47 +0200 From: Marco \"Kallie\" Kalnenek Subject: Re: (exotica) Album cover book.... Nathan Miner wrote: > How's that book called "Album covers from the vinyl junkyard...." (or something like that......)??? I like it! More than 200 pages filled with many covers. They are grouped more or less thematically. Not all records are rare or essential, but it's a nice book to browse through every once in a while. > (It's "bargain priced" through Edward Hamilton Booksellers....) As far as I know it has been deleted from the publisher's catalogue, so I guess it will turn up at a low price at more places. (In the Netherlands it's available for 20 Dutch guilders now at 'De Slegte') Marco - -- Marco "Kallie" Kalnenek +------------------------------------------+ Record Collector's Heaven http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/ +------------------------------------------+ # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 17:32:17 +0200 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here Stephen W. Worth wrote: > Esquivel and Martin Denny *are* pretty much cheesy, novelty music. and > When this whole "Lounge" thing happened, it meant that any old Easy > Listening album was going to be marked up to outrageous prices > When it comes to the silly hats and "lounge culture" you > can leave me out. I don't like this music for the costume that goes > with it... I happen to actually like the music itself. > > That is why I rebel against the title "Lounge". All very well, Steve, but I don't see what Martin Denny has to do with this. He never advised people to wear fezes as far as I know. ( But Ren wears a fez...) Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:29:56 -0400 From: Subject: (exotica) Perez Prado nother must-get Prado is the 23-track domestic "2 en Uno" CD, with two groovy 1960s Mexican Prado LPs on one CD, including the spectacular "Tema de Los Monkees" and a *fabulous*, earth-shattering "Sobre El Arco Iris" ("Somewhere Over the Rainbow"). Currently $9.49 at CD Now ($10.97 list), and one of the best reissue deals around. >>>Geez, the stuff you find in the GARBAGE, as I will explain about the following record I rescued from a near-death! A Prado record I've not seen mentioned before on this list is CONCIERTO PARA BONGOS, originally issued on UA inthe 6ts...and the 7ts reisue I have is on the Raiz label. What makes this one so special is it's a weird mixture of the typical Prado-with VERY garage-y Farfisa organ and rock rhythms! Weird! One side has all these Latin-garage numbers, and the second is much like his longer exotica suite. Every Mambo and Frug together! Jane Fondle! - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:18:33 -0500 From: "Mark D. Head" Subject: RE: (exotica) Confessions of a fashion-victim! Jane Fondle wrote: >But when I used to live in Tampa, there was a >way-goofy "lounge" art show one night, upon which I >chose to pull out my faded Ramones shirt for the >occasion. Ah, dear Jane - I would've thought you'd choose to pull *off* your faded Ramones shirt for the occassion! - -- Mark D. Head The Captain mdhbene@airmail.net _______________________________________ TANSTAAFL! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:57:10 -0400 From: "telstar" Subject: Re: (exotica) New eXotica Releases Overview Update Regarding.... > >* Various Artists: "Exotic Sounds From Many Worlds" > > CD, Milan, USA, 199? > > What's this?? I couldn't turn it up on CD Now. This cd was released in 1996 and was distributed by BMG. It's a sampler for the Milan label which issues (mostly) soundtracks. So...on the soundtrack side of things the disc includes selections by The Residents ("Tooth and Claw" from the Hunters cd) as well as Stewart Copeland's "Ay Manu Wata Hai" ("Rapa Nui"), Moana & the Moa Hunters "Tahi" ("Once Were Warriors"), Tomandandy's "Go!" ("Killing Zoe"), Ravi Shankar's "Title" ("Genesis"), John Lurie's "Tuesday Night in Memphis" ("Mystery Train") and Ryuichi Sakamoto's "Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence" from the movie of the same name...and so forth The disc also contains a few non-soundtrack tracks including one by Popul Vuh and the booty-shakin' sounds of the Choir of the Benedictine Nuns of Sainte Marie de Maumont. Allan # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:40:27 EDT From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: (exotica) Spanky pronouncement In a message dated 7/30/99 11:02:55 AM, rutks002@tc.umn.edu wrote: >MacKenzie Phillips, and Scott Something-or-other Scott MacKenzie......Now if MacKenzie Phillips had only gone for Scott...maybe those flowers in his hair threw her # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Risser Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Spanky pronouncement > >I'll go listen again and give more specific > >examples, all of which are > >based off the Greatest Hits comp. > > "Greatest Hits" comps are nice introductions, but > hardly the True Grit of a > group. I agree. A lot of times they aim for the more mainstream tastes and leave a lot of the cool edgier stuff out, which is the stuff I'm interested in. On the other hand, that's all I've got to listen to right now, unless I run across a record of theirs cheap. Peter _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:06:33 -0400 From: Subject: RE: (exotica) Confessions of a fashion-victim! Jane Fondle wrote: >But when I used to live in Tampa, there was a >way-goofy "lounge" art show one night, upon which I >chose to pull out my faded Ramones shirt for the >occasion. Ah, dear Jane - I would've thought you'd choose to pull *off* your faded Ramones shirt for the occassion! - -- Thatz good talk Cap'n! Keep talking like that and throw in something about Jill's tight dresses, and the whole list'll be smiling and laughing again, for a $(*%@&#@# change! ;) Jane Fondle-who is made quite happy any time she buys a record! :) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:18:55 -0700 From: "Benito Vergara" Subject: RE: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Mimi Mayer > Sent: Friday, July 30, 1999 7:41 AM > To: exotica@lists.xmission.com > It's > another Hal Willner mix -- the boy genius from Philly who also produced > terrific tribute records of the music of: > Kurt Weill (can't find the record for the title) It's called "Lost in the Stars." Zorn, Waits, Reed, among others. But doesn't St-ng sing "Mack the Knife" on it or something? Later, Ben # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:21:32 -0500 From: "Mark D. Head" Subject: Re: (exotica) Confessions of a fashion-victim! Yes, well, sometimes one must push aside pesky decorum and say, Humma Humma, now! laura.taylor@us.pwcglobal.com wrote: > Jane Fondle wrote: > > >But when I used to live in Tampa, there was a > >way-goofy "lounge" art show one night, upon which I > >chose to pull out my faded Ramones shirt for the > >occasion. > > Ah, dear Jane - I would've thought you'd choose to pull > *off* your faded Ramones shirt for the occassion! > > -- > > Thatz good talk Cap'n! Keep talking like that and throw in something about > Jill's tight dresses, and the whole list'll be smiling and laughing again, > for a $(*%@&#@# change! ;) > Jane Fondle-who is made quite happy any time she buys a record! :) > Mark D. Head The Captain mdhbene@airmail.net _______________________________________ TANSTAAFL! # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:27:45 -0700 (PDT) From: chuck Subject: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 On el records, compiled by Mike Alway comes the new compilation "Sunshine Pop 99" With a picture from "The Party" gracing the cover and such a title I was hoping for 21 fine new upbeat modern sunshine pop tunes. What I got were about 8 sunshine pop songs, and the rest what I call soft indie pop songs influenced more by Pet Sounds/Rubber Soul then by Spanky or the Association. The highlight is the "We Can Fly" remake by loveletter. They absolutely do a great version of this song. There are other really wonderful sunshine moments on here by modern soft pop bands. What I find curious is that "sunshine pop" seems to be an "in" movement. This release along with other modern lables such as Siesta are pointing the direction to a more upbeat sound in the modern soft pop world. There have been 2 new releases of reissues on Sequel records out of England called "Dream Time, Bristish Sunshine Pop" and "Look at the Sunshine, British Sumertyme Pop " that are both excellent compilations bound to influence more modern musicians. For me "soft pop" began in 1956 with Patience and Prudence and the Crew Cuts. Patience and Prudence could have been released in 1964 and not have sounded dated, what an ingenious group! These two bands are proof to me the rock and roll had a very large influence from 1940's pop music and rythmn and blues vocal groups. It was a small step from "Stardust" by Tommy Dorsey to Patience and Prudence to the Teddy Bears "To Know Him Is To Love Him" or the Fleetwoods. The Teddy Bears sound very much like some of the modern soft pop bands on the "Sunshine Pop 99" cd discussed above. They brought soft pop to its most basic elements as did the Fleetwoods and that sound is evident today. It was almost impossible for modern indie bands who strip down the production not to come up with a sound similiar to the late 50's ballads, which for me are stripped down versions of 1940-55 pop ballads. What I am most curious about is when did the "sunshine pop" music first evolve? I now differentiate "sunshine pop" as a seperate genre from soft pop. I think sunshine pop started in 1966 or so and basically died around 1970 when the more upbeat sound gave way to "soft rock". I know there must be exceptions there always is. Bubblegum certainly was a facter in its coma. "Soft rock" is a 1970's genre of rock ballads and soft pop ballads with a country influence. Soft rock is not as upbeat as soft pop or sunshine pop. What is so interesting about sunshine pop is Warner Brothers is helping to lead the way on the west coast, but the midwest, especially Chicago, and Texas, and the east coast in NY & Boston and especially England were flooding the market with sunshine pop in 1967. When I look at the Billlboard charts from 1967 it is shocking how many of the songs fit the sunshine pop genre and they are from all over. I have a huge 45 sunshine pop collection and certainly would like to help put together any compilations. What I really am enjoying is the modern soft pop music that started in England in the early 1980s with bands like the Smiths and erupted in Japan with P5 and others now is branching out into the bigger production upbeat sound of sunshine pop 99. The music goes round and round. Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:33:37 PDT From: "Albert Fish" Subject: (exotica) Hong Kong Anyone have any thought, opinos on; Music from "Hong Kong", Lionel Newman . Just bought it. Still getting to know it. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:48:36 -0500 From: mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) Subject: RE: (exotica)Prez and Stay Awake (Was New eXotica Releases Overview Update) Ben wrote about Hal Willner's mix ..the music of: >> Kurt Weill (can't find the record for the title) > >It's called "Lost in the Stars." Zorn, Waits, Reed, among others. But >doesn't St-ng sing "Mack the Knife" on it or something? AAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEE! I'd erased that bad memory -- completely obliterated it! Am pretty sure Waits growls September Song, and Stan Ridgeway (???Wall of Voodoo??? name right?) has a merry jog through Whiskey Bar. Still looking for the damn record... Thanks y'all for the Prez leads and Willner updates. Mimi # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:46:31 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here In a message dated 07/30/99 11:20:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << To me Exotica was more a holy thing. And that's why I have to protect Martin Denny here, because especially Martin Denny, and especially his first 10 albums, is not cheesy at all. Call me a romantic, but many of his early titles are sheer beauty and wild power. I can see nothing cheep or "made up" or false in it. >> If you did not read the above carefully -- GO BACK AND READ IT AGAIN ! ! ! Those thoughts summarize my thoughts too and bring, if not a tear to my eye, a smile to my face and joy to my heart. Corny but true. A serious Tiki bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:47:54 EDT From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com Subject: Re: (exotica) Bring on the "Lounge", Don't Bother They're Here In a message dated 07/30/99 11:20:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, exotica@munich.netsurf.de writes: << Martin Denny was more than a step, he was a milestone. And he made a living with his music, which explains his later albums. But they don't affect his earlier works, not at all! I'd like to close this, claiming, that Martin Denny is a timeless statement against cheesiness. Mo >> Geez, this guy is good (Mo that is ! ! !) Tiki Bob # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:27:18 +0200 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 chuck wrote: > On el records, compiled by Mike Alway comes the new compilation "Sunshine Pop 99" > > The highlight is the "We Can Fly" remake by loveletter. They absolutely do a great > version of this song. behind the name stands Simon Fisher-Turner aka Simon Turner aka The King Of Luxembourg aka etc., mentioned by me here numerous times. It's really hard when a musician changes his name so often; I think it detrimented his career. The man deserves much more attention and popularity. http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/sft/sft.htm Here you can check out his Mute-website. Surprisingly the discography misses two of his best works, the incredibly cute teenie pop album Serx Appeal and the loveletter LP, which not only has We can fly, but a great version of Barbarella as well, which is also to be found on the Marina compilation Songs For Marshmallow Lovers. Remember me posting about this? See... the memory. Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:34:52 +0200 From: Moritz R Subject: Re: Caramba, Re: (exotica) Incredibly Strange Message Hans Adell wrote: > Here's a message I got from them (and my answers): > (Moritz, Magy and Jane Fondle) -Hey Hans! On the 27:th of July you shall > write a strange message with "Incredibly Strange Message" in the subject! I'm not involved. > If you haven't heard it, have a look at the great Hubba > Hubba Zoot-Zoot lyrics: > > "Hubba hubba zoot-zoot > Nam! > Ebba obba zat-zat > Nam! > Pa huvee, pa huvee, paa > Pahab huvee paa > A nam nam? > A nam!" This is Marsupilami-language. I don't speak it, but I'm sure on some list for "Spirou et Phantasio" or Franquin you get an excellent translation. > GASTON EL TON YON, pianissimo Gaston! See! Another Franquin character. That was easy... Mo # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 99 15:35:47 -0500 From: Michael Toth Subject: (exotica) Re: Perez Prado (and the Mysterians...?) >A Prado record I've not seen >mentioned before on this list is CONCIERTO PARA BONGOS, originally issued >on UA inthe 6ts...and the 7ts reisue I have is on the Raiz label. And it was reissued on CD by Polydor in the early 90s, falling out of print just after everything else was starting to be reissued. The CD seems as hard to find as its original vinyl (which is really hard to find, around here at least). I bought my CD from someone used off the Net. >What >makes this one so special is it's a weird mixture of the typical Prado-with >VERY garage-y Farfisa organ and rock rhythms! Weird! One side has all >these Latin-garage numbers, and the second is much like his longer exotica >suite. The second half is, as you described, well, his exotic "bongo concert," from whence the album title comes; but that ? & The Mysterians thing going on in those other tracks is the clincher. There are some tracks in this "garage-y" vein on that "2 en Uno" disc, including the aforementioned "Over the Rainbow," which just *rocks*. ? & the Mysterians are actually Hispanic guys -- after hearing CONCEIERTO PARA BONGOS, I then recognized Latin elements in *their* material and was wondering if they were influenced in any way by Prado... Michael David Toth mtoth@neo.lrun.com # Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list? # Send the command "info exotica" to majordomo@lists.xmission.com. # To post, email exotica@lists.xmission.com; replies go to original sender. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:41:30 -0700 (PDT) From: chuck Subject: Re: (exotica) Sunshine Pop 99 Moritiz This Marina compilation, "Songs For MarshMallow Lovers" was great and started me off on this whole modern soft pop chase I've been on. I was shocked to hear loveletter do Barbarella. I knew then modern pop was getting a little sunnier. I think another compilation, "Songs For the Jet Set" vol 1 contained almost the exact same songs plus a couple more. Thanks for the reminder and the loveletter connection I forgot about. I got most of my soft modern pop from going to the Marina site and seeing roundaboutpop@hotmail.com as the US distributor, but the Sunshine Pop and Sequel Sunshine Pop compilations came from http://www.othermusic.com Easy listening in the Big Easy Chuck - --- Moritz R wrote: http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/sft/sft.htm > Here you can check out his Mute-website. Surprisingly the discography misses two of > his best works, the incredibly cute teenie pop album Serx Appeal and the loveletter LP, > which not only has We can fly, but a great version of Barbarella as well, which is also to be> found on the Marina compilation Songs For Marshmallow Lovers. Remember me posting about this? _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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